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Francis Chan

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Francis Chan

"Welcome to the eric metaxas. Show with your host. Eric metaxas hateful into friday friday friday. It's friday on the eric metaxas show. And why wouldn't it be friday everywhere. Yeah we'll know what i'm saying. We're planet i know. Okay i have a question albain. Why since it's friday sir are we. Am i going to be talking. To francis chan shortly. Yes francis chan. Okay for jan is a big deal if you haven't heard him You're in big trouble. That's number one. Francis chan is my guest He and i become friendly lately. And i think that's gonna end in this interview. You wanna stay tuned. y'all i'm gonna grill him hard and And you should. And i wanna remind people that i'm going to be in seattle today in fact i'm on a plane now. You know how. I know that I just do. I can't tell you but this while you're listening to this. I believe on a plane. I don't feel like i'm on a plane. But i believe i am here. Wind rushing past. You better close that window and and by the way Since i'm going to seattle reminds me to remind the audience If you go to my website if you wanna find out where. I'm speaking. I'm speaking everywhere this fall. It's going to be crazy. I don't know if i'm gonna ever get home again but my book is coming out. It's called is atheism dead. I'm asking you to preorder a copy from anywhere you like. It makes no difference but please preorder your copies. People are going to get crazy about this book. I promise you can't wait till it comes out. Because i want to talk about it. There's stuff near that's going really shock people. I mean i promise you you will have a hard time believing some of the stuff that's in there but it's documented And it's god's i would say in time You know revelation of evidence proving him making it much more difficult to believe he doesn't exist. In fact i argue that believing. There is no god has become intellectually untenable. I mean genuinely i mean. That's my subjective call. I mean it's not tenable you can say i'm gonna agnostic. You can doubt the details. But whether there's a god i think has become a question that beyond questioning it's it's just you know it's like talking about whether the is flat. Do we really know if it's rounded. You know there's always gonna be somebody clinging To the idea that it's not a sphere but An obe oblates fear. We're going to get better. I know it's late so let me just say this. That the book You can. i'm going to be speaking about it. But you can find out my speaking schedule at eric. Metaxas dot com. You should be going there every day. Anyway to check your blood pressure and things of that nature. Also we should mention neutral medics. Yeah go to tremendous dot com. Use the code eric. And get a whopping discount on all the stuff you need to keep your immune system boosted up the way you ought to so. I think i mentioned this couple of days ago. You know there's no such thing as a cold and flu season. There is such thing as a depressed vitamin d season. You get less sun in the winter. You get less vitamin d in the winter. Which is why you're susceptible to viruses and kohl's and different things that's normal so if you want not to be normal if you don't wanna get colds and viruses and flus and cova you wanna take vitamin d and you also want to take zinc and a number of other things go to neutral. Medics dot com. This is true. I'm not blown smoke. Ladies and gentlemen goto neutra medics dot com and use. The code Eric and of course we because it's friday album. I of thought before we get the francis who's no fun we would have some fun On friday with fun facts friday. Do you have any fun facts friday so we haven't done it in a long time going. Wet your beak with some fun stuff and by the way i can't wait to pre. This is a family program. I can't guys need to edit that out to pre read. Your is atheism debt. I'm champing at the bit. It's not chomping at the bit. You told us jumping. But i think camping is better. Champing horse chomping instead of camping. I don't know what that's all. They chop on carrots but they champ at the bit. There you go okay now. It's all straightened out. Okay i want to start with. This is just a wet. Your beak kind of run facts friday because in a week or two. we're going to do a much more fuller segment. Okay but a more fuller much more full or how about just fuller. Okay see now. I've been corrected again. Thank you professor metaxas. We got a medical lessons from now. Fuller it's going to be more fuller in fact it's going to be much more fuller all right here. We go now. This first one is a true or false fact. Now this is kind of a fun thing to start us off with okay now. You have to tell me whether you think this is true or false. Okay there's a brand of underwear for senior citizens called late bloomers okay. I know that that's falls. But i know that it's so clever that you made it up an underwear for senior citizens called late bloomers. That's very clever but it seems too clever for somebody actually have used it to create underwear for senior citizens because senior citizens would say. Why do i need special underwear. Exactly i kind of came up with idea on a bike ride however then i googled it and believe it or not. There is actually. It's mostly falls because it's not for senior citizens there's actually like anti-gun to where you can buy that's called late bloomers. And it's like they made it into a fashion called late. Bloomer anywhere lumers. Well that's what a wonderful fun fact. I've learned on this friday. Thank you my. Life is almost richer although not okay now here is the first question i wanna see if you know the answer to this and should had your dad at least is from the old country in ancient greece okay. What particular fruit was seen as a symbol for venus the goddess of love. What particular fruit. I think probably socrates Oh i'm sorry. Venus for the The persimmon or the pomegranate. Or the apple. Don't tell me say it again. Okay it's what It's a symbol. Venus the goddess of love. yeah love. Okay i can give you a fan. People know which okay Figs no Pomegranates ramona harare Meyer lemons no erland ski. And it's not watermelon. Either let me just tell it to you and by the way guess where i got this information from well you said you know. My father is not an ancient greek. He's an older. Greek was not quite ancient. I know but he might doesn't go back to antiquity. Nineteen twenty seven thank you. He did but the answer is strawberry. Now that honestly that i would not have known to. Well you cannot. You cannot despite the fact when you find it on a snapple lid. Okay you read it on a snapple. I did what could be more pathetic much. They don't even sponsor this show. Okay here's something serious this quote. I want to see if you know who said this. Show allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him. I shall now not allow. Actually now i shall allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him. Yeah i'll give you a few choices. Martin luther king billy graham don rickles brooker t. washington or dick cheney. What's the first one. Martin luther king billy. Graham don. rickles broke booker. t. riot washington for of course dick. Cheney booker t. wash mar it's either martin. Luther king or booker t. washington. You got it down to two on. I know it's one of them. Yeah read it again. I show allow no man to belittle my soul by making him hate me. It doesn't sound like the cadence of martin luther king junior so it has to be booker. T. washington it is. Oh go okay. Another quote real quick and it's a serious one excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Excellence is to hang on. I just wanna see booker. T. washington is in my book. Seven more men people because it was the cova d- year don't realize that i wrote seven men seven women that i wrote seven more men and because it came out during covert a lot of people don't know that they go. I wish you could do more. Why did more seven more men booker. t. washington stories in it and honestly it is amazing. I think it's the most amazing story in the book. So that's why. That's not. Why i knew that i was. I was guessing. It was an educated guess. So the next question but that was happening one more here. Excellence excellences do a common thing in an uncommon way. And i'm going to give you the exact same list. Martin luther king billy graham don rickles booker t. washington or dick cheney okay. You're doing this so quickly. Slowly again overtime. So either martin. Luther king billy. Graham don rickles booker t. washington or dick cheney. It's definitely booker. t. washington it is and that's the i threw a curveball latch. At both of them are booker. T. doesn't i almost threw in thomas edison to throw you off but yeah no. That's that was That step so booker t. Said both those things. Yeah well this is. He wasn't amazing. Guy from slavery is the other thing reason i didn't know about. Oh i'm sorry. What am i talking about. This is this is like I mentioned george washington carver. Not booker. t. washington. I literally confuse them because george washington carver used to do things in in in strange ways and others he would create things like people know figured it. A thousand uses. Yeah yeah so it wasn't. It was stupidly boogie washington. Well i got it right. Both times did. But i didn't mean george washington carver. Obviously i'm in brooklyn where i was thinking about my book right. We're at a time. Lucky for you. That francis chan he's gonna get the clouds cut in pay their parents. Have you been as frustrated as i've been with the messages are kids are being taught today in schools and in the media cancelled culture. 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And i thought it'd be fun to have him on the program so you could meet him to francis chan. Come on in welcome so good to see you man miss you. It's good to see you. And i miss you too. I miss your voice. You've got a funny voice. You crack me up a friend of mine. I i realize that you kind of when you do your full comic mode when you're preaching you get in that you get all tortured and stuff and you you sound like you're cross between gilbert godfried and you'll brenner glad you don't know who they are because you'd be insulted and blessed at the same time look you and i got to know each other and we kid around a lot. So you speak my love language But the joy of being in kansas city for me was processing it with you because both of us are astonished by some of this prophetic stuff and his holy spirit stuff. And we're kinda looking at each other because we don't we believe it but we're just blown away. Can you talk about that a little bit. Because that's part of what gets to this unity message of people coming from different streams quote unquote to try to see things through each others eyes. Talk about that a little bit. And i was so glad you were there because you would ask the questions like wait. Wait tell me is vision where you actually there you know. You're asking all the things that i was thinking because it's different to these guys are talking about miracles like we talk about brushing our teeth like it's just then this happened in this happened. You're like wait. A sack in this is fascinating. Have you documented this. Do you have proof of this. Can you show me doctors records regarding us right. And then you've got this other guy. Chris who's like reading our mail telling us things about our own lives our friends at were going. How did you know that you couldn't have known that you can't even research that online and so we're just sitting there amazed at the stories that have this like history over the last fifty years of things coming true. Just like these guys said. And i'm skeptical your skeptical. You're wrong if you're not cynical right. I mean that's the whole thing is that i wanna be look. You're a fool if you're not a little skeptical and there are people in the body of christ foolish. They'll believe anything and then they. They can practically lose their faith when it's proved to be untrue. Because they're not really they're not being wise. You know there are people that will share things. And i think we have an obligation. Say we wait a minute. When did this happen. How did this happen because some people say that was a miracle and i would say like. I don't know that that's a miracle that might be a nice blessing coincidence but you know a miracle. That's when god shows up clearly and he does so. Don't confuse that with you. Know i got a parking spot or whatever anyway but you. When did you. I mean first of all you have a book out called until unity just came out a few months ago and you preached a message on unity. That really moved me. It was just an amazing amazing message. And i know it's online. I've shared a lot of people have watched it. But you said something there which i'll never forget. You said that you looked at mike. You looked at me and you said. I'm i'm standing with you and you said when you stand with someone you inherit their enemies that was a huge statement Just say a little bit more about that because that's the beautiful you know. I think you know sometimes in the christian world where like. Oh yeah unity. I love gary. This is great. This is beautiful and they don't realize the cost in that there's a cost for you having me on your show right now. Suddenly amusing using viewers. Like crazy right. Now they're just don. You're not even listening anymore. Yeah those followers drop off. I mean it is anyone who has an issue with me. I can't believe eric would have him on his show and in the same way. I don't know if you're aware but some people don't like you as well. I know. I know it's just go online to believe that. So now. Suddenly francis went on the eric. Metaxas show. I mean this is just this satanic. Let's tear them apart. Let's get them a raid to become friends it you know. Here's jesus commanding. You and i who are spirit filled people who shrestha the jesus died on the cross roads were sons of god and yet we feel this pressure like what we better not get too close even though jesus commanded us to love each other as much as he loves us. We're feeling this pressure from the quote unquote christian world to kind of hold each other at arm's length than there's all this pressure to do the exact opposite of what he's commanded. Well let's put it this way. The reason i think it's silly when people say well. I don't like you think to myself look. I don't like me either. You jug handle like i. There's a lot of stuff about me that i don't like so. What are you accusing me. Are you accusing me of loving everything about myself. And being totally sure. I'm right about everything. I'm not but if you love me. You can lovingly challenged me and maybe helped me to see something that i missed because maybe i did miss it but if you shy away from people you'll never be able to love them toward the truth and that to me is the problem. I've got many friends that are you know they think i've lost my mind Politically or something. But i won't turn my back on them. I don't care if you strongly disagree with me. Let me be your friend. let me love you. We don't even need to talk about that stuff but a lot of those folks won't talk to me. Something happened in their world where they can't break bread with somebody who thinks the way i do and i thought so. Why do i wanna hang out with you even though we disagree. But you don't hang out with me. And i think it's you're buying into you know we call a cancel culture but it's graceless is to say that i'm gonna find something about you you're out and i think you know why why. Gosh i'm so glad you said that. Even that first part. I actually write about that in my book if you read any of my books. But they're so short. And so fluffy that i i'll knock it out on the on the subway ride home. Hey i finished bond hoffer since we were together finished two weeks ago okay. It's such a harrowing read. I can see that you've lost your hair over this. It'll it'll good back. This happens a lot of people francis but are you serious. You read that book. Because that's it's such a i mean. Look it's got nothing to do with me. it's a. It's a harrowing beautiful story of a man of god. So i'm glad that you read that. Thank you seriously. Thank you bridge tradition. No i read the whole thing. I read the whole six hundred pages. It's it's a record for me. So you ought to be flattered and bowed to you as a writer you are if did give time. Thank you but what i was saying. Was i talk about how the exact same thing you said. I don't like francis chan either. I train i'm want him crucified with christ. So it's no longer francis who lives but christ lives in me so we're in agreement here. Isn't that crazy right. It's crazy loose. The enemy saying i see your sin and you're like yeah i see it too and because i see it i gave it to jesus and he sees it and he forgave it and he's loving me you know. We cancel cultures the opposite of that. It just kind of wants to tag. You not realizing what i wanna tag myself. I wanna i wanna find those sins. I want to repent of them. Like why would you think i don't. That's what it means to be a christian. Isn't it anyway. I was just really moved by what you said that night. And i i'll i'll just have to post that a again. I whenever i have folks on here. I had chris redon. Actually we won't air it 'til monday but i like to know people stories and i didn't really get to hear your story. Can you share with us. What kind of a world did you grow. Up in a wendy. Do come to faith I know you're lost apparent early on year. Well i was born in san francisco but my mother actually died when she gave birth to me and so my dad's sent me to hong kong to grow up with my grandparents. Then he remarried. I came back to the states When i was like five and then my stepmother died in a car accident. When i was about eight. My dad got married again that he died of cancer when i was twelve. And so you know my time middle school. I've lost three parents already. And just got me thinking about i. I'm not guaranteed tomorrow. I saw my dad right there. Now he's gonna saw my step mom she's right there. She's gone on a revenue. My mom so it it makes you live with this brevity of life and searching for answers and when i began studying the scriptures. Gosh the way. God would answer my prayers when i began to believe in jesus and started this relationship. Just set me on this journey. And now i'm in my fifties. You know seven kids Two grandkids just wife is wondering and no gray hair. That's unbelievable we're gonna be right back. I'm talking to francis chan my friend my brother. The book is until unity will be right back. Seems to rule you welcome. I'm talking to francis chan francis you just you from the moment i met you. You crack me up. You make me smile like there's something going on. And i just enjoy you when you spoke that sermon. Which again your book is called until unity but you preach unity and stuff and you did stuff. I mean i was dying because you know you you you said okay mic bickel and you start talking about mike and how you know because he moves in this crazy supernatural stuff that for you to ally yourself with him even just as a friend. People will want to cancel you that you inherited his enemies. And then you said something about chris read and as soon as you spoke about christian is like oh no this. He's gonna go down the line he's coming to me and sure enough you get to me and you say some uncomfortable stuff about me. Which of course cracks me up at the same time. I'm cringing but in all seriousness. I want to ask you. This is just in in in terms of what we were just talking about this total transparency. I trust you right when you say that i say things that bothered you or this or that or whatever like i always really want to know. What am i missing something. Because i maybe i don't need to hear it because i already know you know like i know what i'm saying. Something this or that or maybe. I'm being political and people like oh. I don't think we should say this or or or say that but you spoke some really funny stuff. It was like even as it's hitting me. I'm laughing because the way you said it and But i wanna be honest about that. I'm not i'm not worried about their. I'm ready to let go of something if it's not. Jesus yeah i mean i think what you do is similar to what i do are very in the moment like right now. I'm focused and i'm thinking what you're saying right now and that's great. It's fun it's spontaneous. It's who we are. We don't want to lose that But i think sometimes you'll make a statement and if a person knows you right okay. Then it's like. Oh yeah that's that's era in contracts that makes sense. You're right they don't roll show you write. It can sound like that again right you know. He doesn't love this group of at all. But i get it now. I can't say that so now. This challenges me right. Because i literally don't know which way that breaks because i think myself wait a minute. I used to worry too much about what i said. I was so worried that i didn't say anything. And then i think as you get older you lose some of that. But it's kind of interesting because i think to myself is my problem that not enough people know me And so that people can of reading me out of context. Because i know i challenged people because i kinda come at so many different things right sometimes like mr comedian joke joke other times mr bond hoffer other times. And if you don't know who. I really am and you reading me. I mean this happened a lot with trump. he would say something. And i'm from queens new york and i come from a world that's not filled with christians and i'd be like i know exactly what he's saying but there would be these people people leave. He just said this. Are you kidding us like my uncle. You d if you know him. He's you know. But they would kind of parse sentences and boom and and i thought we're kind of living in challenging times in a sentence because you do have to have great for people somebody says something and you have to say. Did they really say what could make them sound bad just by quoting them. But is that what you meant. So that's kind of. That's what's happened to me a lot. So i do. I want to be honest. I struggle with that. And i struggle with my responsibility to other people. Do i have responsibility to be so careful how you know what i'm saying. Yeah yeah. Because i i listen to. You made a comment about banner and but then you explained it later like you guys. I'm not talking about like. Do i believe black lives matter like that is ridiculous to even question that i'm talking about behind the scenes. I'm concerned about this. i'm talking marxist movement and but we're really gets dark though. Francis has because that that phrase has been taken over by people who i think are harming black people so it gets really crazy anyway. Yeah no i get it. I've been accused of things where i go. That is the most ridiculous like one. Time was talking about the the one time in my life. I saw god doing miracles through me and i. I just made the comment. Like i'm living new testament like i'm jesus right now you know now sure. Some clowns takes hold of that says look francis claims to be the messiah and on like have you ever heard me speak in mind higher life. Every message i give is about. He is way out there. And who am in comparison to his holiness but okay take the soundbite francis says he is the messiah. Well the guy that did that he may not realize that but he might as well say. I am the devil because that is the voice of the devil. That's the accusers. To grab what you say at a context. A hit you with it That's happening a million times and just the syrup behind it certainly not. Jesus we know. We know that it's people that just want to hurt you because they don't like you don't like something about i wanna ask you about your experience with mike bickel. How did you coming from where you are. Come to be friends with somebody. Who is you know in a different part of the pool. Yeah it was kind of an accident. invited me to speak at a conference looked at thousands of young people I said yes and then suddenly. I got all this hate mail of. Why did you say yes to him. And i'm thinking. Oh man why did i say yes to him was seem he seemed. Okay you know. And so when i got there i answer so many questions for him any. It was so gracious answering them. All and not defensive at all. And i'm gonna love. This guy is pretty amazing. As i talked to his staff. Talk to the people who knows him talk to his wife. The people that live right there with him. Every year i would go. This guy is one of the most humble god fearing men. I've met and got his work through him supernatural. He has sacrificed so much for the kingdom dedication his knowledge. Forgive me. i'm getting the the high sign. We'll be right back. Folks talking francis chan. Don't go away folks. i'm talking to francis chan. What does that irish francis you lived in hong kong as a kid. You said yeah. I five years of my life and you were raised. I mean what you would you just share a few seconds about losing your mother in childbirth losing a stepmother losing your father like i cannot imagine what that would be like. When did jesus become like real to you. Did you have a born again moment or was it a process. How how did that work for you. It was a process. But i would say in high school Youth pastor went to a youth group that some friends took me to and he got me started reading the bible and into this relationship where i'm up at six. Am as a high school student every day. Trying to begin this relationship with jesus and it was fascinating like the way he would answer. Prayers like all the stories we heard in kansas city. So many of those things began to happen in my life as a teenager. And i just i just was on fire. I just thought i. I need to tell everyone about this. Jesus owes high school where it all started for me. And when did you. Did you ever experience the miraculous or were you hanging out with those people and at what point you get with a group of people that says this is not for today. Yeah that wasn't until. I believed in it because i'd seen And i would But i never saw miracles. Other than supernatural answers to prayer. When i would pray but i never saw the miracles. They wanna went off to bible college in seminary. They told me that doesn't happen anymore. That stuff seized after the bible was was canonized and so I didn't believe in it for for many years. Even though i did as a kid but once i went to seminary that that one way and but it wouldn't you hear stories from missionaries or something. I always feel like you bump into missionaries. They tell you some insane story and you know it's real. Did that challenge you or did you just kind of put that on a box missionary box and yeah. I don't know. I kind of put it in a box and i was pretty hard core like this doesn't happen today. But then you do begin these relationships with people you begin to trust and they look you in the iron go note. This happened to me in your email. It's kind of like what we were going through in kansas. Where like gosh. That's hard to believe but it. It's not because. I look in the bible and go that perfectly squares with the bible. I just don't see that often. Yeah so. I think that's where it began to be surprising to me when people i trusted said no. I've seen things just like you read about in the bible part of the challenges that people who don't believe in the stuff hanging out with people don't believe in it and the people who believe in it hanging out with people believe in it and i noticed and this is what why it was fun to process what happened in kansas city with you is because you're living in this stuff sometimes. They're very annoying because they don't give it sufficient wile like they'd just say and then the guy turns into a bird and flies away and you hung. Hey hey shut up. What did you say. What are you to say. Like the guy's arm literally grew back from the stump. Did you did you say. Then what's wrong with you like you say like like like i'm chewing gum. You just talked about an insane miracle but they kind of act like well. Yeah they don't seem to be able to give it context so unless you're part of that world you just think those people are just kind of half nuts. they're not perceiving the same reality. I gotta tell you this story because after a kansas city mike. My two teenage kids went to summer. Camp with andy. At why ma'am and my son face times meat is. I'm driving to la. And he's like dad. I mean he's just freaking out fifteen years old he goes you jimmy. You know his friend jimmy who has his voice. He's been talking like that. Since he was a kid he seventeen. I wanna pay for an operation anything. Nothing doctors can do serious whilst that bad. It's horrible. I thought i will pay for. Just tell me how much. I don't want that kid growing up like that. He's at camp. i night every one is getting healed. Jimmy is singing and suddenly bo. His voice turns into a man's voice he freaks out runs on stage in starts preaching in a man's voice. You know hundreds of high-schoolers renaming my son. Just like cline falls on his face in the fear of god and you know but as he's explained any hands of own that jimmy and he's talking to me like this and i'm gone. What in the world just happened to you. he's crying his parents are crying. I mean this it happens and you know i've even seen it happened several times since we've been together but i'm still like blown out of my mind. My kids are blown out of their mind. But that's where. I think we get bothered when people talk about like. Oh yeah and then this plan blank. I opened his eyes and he saw everything i know. And you think wait a minute. That should be in the papers. Do you understand like that's a big deal. And like i don't know i don't i don't get it. We talked about other stuff we talked about. I mean you're in san francisco for a long time and we talked about kind of the gauge. You know how hard that is suddenly for the church to navigate because we have this biblical ethic and and we know we wanna love people where they are so a lot of times. We don't talk about something because other people talk about it too much and navigating that my answer is that there is no answer you can get it wrong in either direction. I keep thinking of the the fifteen or sixteen year old boy who is struggling with something and nobody is giving him truth and hope they're just saying this is the path for you and if you don't go down this you're denying something fundamental or whatever and my heart goes out to that kid basically who has grown up in a culture where even the church is not talking about helping him in a lot of people interested. They don't believe in that kind of heat that could be healed or changed or anything like that. So it's just hard. There's no right answer. Yeah and i think the key is like what you said. Your heart goes out to him. It's about this. Love is like looking at a human being in loving them show deeply from within otherwise like i corinthians thirteen says. You're just like this noisy gong. You're just like this rating sound in his ears rather than gone cash. I love you so much. And and when i read this book and we're gonna stand before god and and he loves you. This is who he is but we are gonna stand before him and so out of love you want to be honest with some of these things in at least encourage them he just just look at this slope. But let me tell you something this god created you. He knows everything about you. He loves you man their stuff in me too and i you know how let's pick this up. We're going another break folks. I'm talking to for instance you're not going. Anyplace shines folks. Couple of minutes left with francis chan francis. We're talking about that issue about love and how we can get it wrong in both directions. I know i have. I know i have and It's hard because we don't want to be talking about theology and rules all the time but sometimes it's the right thing to do and i'm just worried. The reason i become so outspoken. Maybe to the point of too much. Because i'm worried that everybody's pulled back. They're afraid to speak. And i'm thinking there are people out there who need to hear some hope or something different. They're just not hearing it anymore. It's not like it would have been thirty or fifty years ago and it's it's one of those things that we don't ever want to make one segment of christianity or or one command like the totality of all. Right one of one of my favorite testimonies of you you know getting beckett cook. I've i've had him on this program. He's way better than you. I love beca to one of my favorite statements was he was sharing about after he you know fell in love with god and began his relationship with god. He tells one of his friends and his friend looks at him and says well you know you can't keep sleeping with guys in and beckett is looked seriously you wanna talk about sex. He just told you. I know god of the universe and you don't about sex and the weight and set it on like that's it. That's what i'm trying to communicate like we're talking about knowing the one who created us and made has but we put sexually. Everything's right i the way beckett. I screamed when i heard him talk. That okay finally someone gets it. We are talking about knowing god. What you're talking about right now is knowing the creator. The judge the savior saying that we are partake of the divine nature. And so color. My skin is you know my my my sexual That that's that's an different gory. We're talking about knowing god and that's our heart and that has to come through. And i think so often we can talk about issues almost in a way that i find the whole thing. Funny anytime i've talking to you. I find it funny. But i'd like to me. It's funny on both sides. Because the reason his friend said that because his friends like well you know in other words. Do you know wait a minute. You know that you can't do this anymore because the friends kind of wondering do you. Do you get that. Whatever so the good. The good news is that beckett's like yes and by the way like i'm so past that but sometimes you want to like. Are you like are you tracking there because you do talk to people that say i'm christian winter and then i kind of want to be like what like born again like you read the bible. You love jesus or you just saying a christian. Because i'm a gentile. Because i'm not a jew. I'm not so it's it's just funny as i said i think sometimes there's no right answer and i just find it. Funny that in the message of it we were best but i love beckett and we need to get him back on this program. Why did you write about. But we've just got like thirty seconds wide. You write a book called until unity. Because it is all over the new testament. God's heart for us to become perfectly wine. Meanwhile in our twenty first century evangelical church everyone bashing each other and believing. They're doing that. In the name of god and i think it grieves the heart of god and I wanna be busy doing what he commanded us to do when he returns and i see unity as a huge huge theme in her only chance at reaching a world. Well i'm glad to have unity with you. My friend francis chan. I know that the lord is already using you to bless me to enlarge my heart Just grateful for you. I hope to see you in person sooner. Rather than later Give my best to your wife. God bless you talk to you then.

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Happy Hour #378 - Francis Chan

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Happy Hour #378 - Francis Chan

"Today show is brought to you and sponsored by pine cove summer camps hancock. A christ christ-centered life-changing investment in your child's future through a week of outdoor adventure and fun with a purpose all the. Ib kids are heading to cove summer camps this summer and you can send your child there as well check out. Pine cove dot com. Use the code happy hour two fifty for two hundred and fifty dollars off a first time overnight. Youth camp registration pinecone dot com. Use the code. Happy hour to fifty tae friends and welcome to the happy hour with jamie. Podcast i'm your host jamie and i'm so glad you're here each week on this show. I invite to join me. And we chat about the big things of my the little things in life and everything in between france and welcome to another edition of the happy hour with jamie. Iv i'm your host jamie. Today's show is maybe extra special. Maybe just extra special. Because i myself personally was so moved by this interview and i hope that it affects you the same way before we get started. I want to acknowledge. Today's good friday and in our christian faith. It is a foundational day in our faith along with sunday on easter sunday. Today we remember and celebrate what jesus did for us on the cross calvary where he was crucified and he died and then he was buried. And so that's what we celebrate today on good friday. I hope that you can take a moment to stop reflected maybe read the gospels about why we celebrate good friday and what jesus went through for us in fact in this conversation today i sit down with francis chan and we have a great conversation and at the end i asked him about good friday and we pulled that part out of the podcast episode. So you won't hear it here but we're putting it up on a youtube channel so you can see us and you can hear the conversation about good friday and courage you if you wanna go watch that to check it out. It's youtube dot com jamie. Iv but no matter what. I hope that today you spend some time reflecting and remembering of what it exactly meant for. Jesus die for us. I also want to let you know that my church. The austin stone released a good friday service. You know. we're still not meeting completely one hundred percent and they released a good friday service. You can find that at austin stone dot org friends. It was such a joy to sit down with francis chan. I was at if gathering. Recently and francis was one of the speakers and like so many of you guys that watched it. You were so moved by that conversation. I to us as well and i actually just received his newest book. It's called until unity. I devoured it in two days. And i don't even have a hard copy yet. I bought a hard copy. So i can go back and underlying and dog ear and just really dive into it deeper than reading it on my computer. I texted a girlfriend. And i even told my husband. Aaron this i said. I think this is already in march. It might take the lead as the best book. I read of twenty twenty one. I cannot recommend this book enough. You can find it anywhere. You buy books as called. Intel unity by francis chan today. France joins me on the happy hour. And you may know. Francis is an author. He's been a pastor for over thirty years him and his wife. Lisa they have a bunch of kids. They recently spent last year in hong kong as a family. And he tells us in this interview why it was the best year he's had in a really really longtime our conversation. Today was so profound and so impactful that you might want to get a notepad out or at least listen to it a couple of times today we talk about a bunch of thank. Some of them are the. Why does it seem as though the evangelist church is more divided than ever before. Why does it seem that. Have you asked yourself that. We talk about humility in the church and why that matters talk about loving people and what that looks like we talk about this. Desire to defend our truth over desire to be unified as a body and to love each other. You guys. I can't even summarize the conversation well enough for you but i want you to hear me say that it was dear to meet this conversation. I think once you get into it. You're going to understand why so here is francis chan talking about unity france. Welcome to the happy hour. Thank you good to be here. This is so great to be with you now. You don't know it. But i need to confess something to you if that's okay. You recently spoke at the f. Gathering and i was there and i was one of the co host and you on a screen and ginny sat there and interviewed. You and i need to confess that my friend. Tony and i took a selfie with you. And you didn't even know it you thank you thank you thank you. I told my friend tonio. She's like you have to confess the selfie that we took he didn't even know about so so there's that well i i think most of my listeners probably know who you are but i think a lot of people will be asking. What's new with your family. We know that you guys have spent some time in hong kong. But you're currently here in the states and so can you give us a little update on your family. This wasn't really the plan for us. We hoping to move to hong kong and then just be in asia for the rest of our lives. at least. That's what i had pictured in my mind and then we had issues with our visa and the government asked us to go back to america. No after a year. They're amazing wonderful. Like twenty twenty was the best year of my life so far but here we are back in the states and also very excited about this time. The has me here for a reason. And i don't know what it is exactly but it's been a really really good season just to even this last month has been great. I love that now. I want to ask because twenty twenty will not go down as a lot of people as the best year of their life. What was it for you guys in your family. That made that something that you could very easily say the best year of your life. Well i mean we moved to a foreign country and we thought it would just be me my wife and our four little ones but my two married daughters and son laws both felt called to go with us with our grandchildren. And so there's twelve of moving to a foreign country and trying to figure it out together trying to hear from the lord studied. The word together worship him together. You know reach out to people together make new relationships and ended up seeing you know three of these churches form during that time and grow so close to people. Because i couldn't fly anywhere. I i'm there in this community so connected i mean. I couldn't remember the last time i went two weeks without flying and leaving the family and so just get in deep rooted relationships with those around us. It was awesome. I grew to love people more deeply than i'm used to. I love that so much. I know you guys saw some some pretty crazy miraculous things while you were there doing ministry on the ground is there one of those moments in the past year that you could share with us and tell us about i shared about this before but it was is right before i went to hong kong and we're in burma where i saw miracles for me personally. For the first time where you know deaf kids hearing like for the first time and crying over this. And i was believed this was possible but i'd never seen it and then to partake like this woman with his big swollen i into lay hands on her and see the swelling disappear and her normal sized face was like whoa. That was my hand that touched her and and cut you know so. I've always believed this. I've even pursued it and possibly saw a thing or two throughout my whole life but just to experience that in the context of sharing the gospel to people who have never heard of. Jesus you put that all together. I mean that's why we moved. It's like i wanna see more of that. I want to see more of that so good. You know i mentioned to you. That i was that if gathering and i've been a part of the f. since the beginning and love it and they partner this year with eliminations and i mean have raised like over a million dollars a million and a half dollars for this organization and i was so so inspired after hearing you s and all the teachers but what really took me by surprise was how much how little thought i had given in my lifetime to how important it is for people to have scripture in their own tongue and i remember that weekend just weeping over the fact that i hadn't been too concerned about it francis and my heart was really opened and so in your journeys that you've had the last couple years. I know that you have partnered with them some as well. What is your hope. they're saying. What in the next thirty years isn't that something crazy like that. They have all translations. Done it changes but it is less than that. I mean. it's thirteen. Maybe i mean it's greasy earn. No it's this generation. That's going to see. I think there's a lot of people that haven't thought you know like we take this book for granted. Have and i looked to this as my guide for truth and i just can't imagine what would life be like without it. Rightful learn so much from the scriptures they brought me so close lord and you just want that for everyone but right. It's hard to imagine because you're just so long. Yeah we're so used to it okay. So today is april second. Good friday and yesterday. You just released a book. Your new book is out called until unity and francis. I got an early copy of the book. I m about twenty pages from finishing it. So i haven't finished it yet but i'm on my way and i texted a couple of girlfriends this morning and i said i'm already saying that this book will go down as one of the best books. I read twenty twenty one and i don't say that to be like francis your amazing. I say that to say what you put into this project. Feel so like urgent right now. So i just wanna say thank you because i know that didn't come without without hardships and stress and frustrations but i also know that when people write it comes from journey that they've been on there with themselves and so can you speak to a little bit. Like what did god do in you. To produce these words that are such an encouragement to me as a reader and other church leaders will read this book. Or i mean just hearing you say that sure. That jamie is super encouraging. Because i really believe the reason why you like. The book is because it's probably something the spirit has been stirring in your heart and that's what i have noticed over the years for me. Not just with writing by with teaching like a lord will really convicted me about something. Suddenly and then i'll realize oh my gosh. She's convicting all of my friends of the same thing simultaneously completely separately from me and i think there are a lot of this has been going on in my mind for last year or two. Just doesn't make sense you know. We're so divided as the burj. And christ one such a oneness. And i think my whole life. I just thought it can't really happen but now in the last year so i'm going wait a second. No god has done more miraculous things and in fact it's the separation between us and god. He did through the cross at is shocking wanted. That one is so badly that christ would die and as we celebrate that on. Good friday echo. Lord view did that which is just outrageous. You could do something soon to unite your church. Even though we look at it and we go humanly. I don't see how this is possible. Thanks getting worse. The more we talk the worst get and but there's like this. Hope of god's going to do something i think there's a shakeup Already started in the church and maybe it's gotten so bad or good vision that they'll finally be a group of people that rise up and say no. I'm not not anymore anymore nine in my lifetime. I'm going to do something best i can. I'm going to humble myself before guiding confess my sin and what adds to the division. There's going to be a impre for wave of humility to hit the church. One of the things that you talk about and here is that scripture teaches that our influence on the world is directly tied to the unity that we display. And i think that really hit me. Because i think most people who are following jesus would say i want influence the world you know. I want to show them. Jesus but yet on the same you know side. We're also seeing but you're so this unified. So what do you think would actually happen to a world seeking hope if they saw the church unified. I think christians don't realize how ridiculous. I think you're right about here. Yeah oh we're light to the world. We're not try to imagine yourself in the shoes of someone who does not believe in christianity and as they look at us compared to all the other faith groups we look the most ridiculous most divided and it keeps getting work bashing each other publicly and really each believing. We're fighting for what is right. It's very very unattractive and very confusing at least and so it's hard to know what will happen outside of god's promise that jesus says it's when this happens then the world's going to believe that i was sent and i think most christians are aware enough to see that this is the worst. Our reputation has been in our lifetimes. The world is looks at evangelical christians as a an absolute joke. And it's almost a bad word. Now i agree. I feel like sometimes when i see the word evangelical i feel as myself even feel like a little nervous. Like what are they gonna say what happened now at. I need to talk about you said in here. You said are casual. Dismissive attitude towards unity is dangerous for three reasons. This was in the beginning. You said got us discuss it with it. The world is confused by it which we were just talking about and the third one. Which was i think the hardest to read it said it could be evidence that the holy spirit is not in us. I remember reading your book. You said. I hope that you can't even make it through the you just have to stop and i was like i did like the intro. I think this was there in that third part of it could be evidence that the holy spirit is not in us. It should and it does shake us to our core. Should i feel like those are such bold statements francis can you expound on any of those a little bit more. I think about If he's for which the book is really centered around but at the end of the chapter after he's talked about unity and he's telling us you know he'd be careful. What cans data your mouth. He's do not grieve. The holy spirit of god by whom you are seeing for the day of redemption little bitterness in rather than anger and clamor slander. Put away from you along with all malice and be kind to one. Another tenderhearted forgiving one. Another as god in christ forgave you but that thought of do not grieve the holy spirit like if he lives in me like i even think about living with my wife for almost thirty years like i know when i've grieved her. I feel when aggrieved her in. I know it. I feel it. I experience because we're so close and in the same way of the spirit is in us and he's literally in us if he's in us and and if he is grieving some of the words come out of our mouths that are divisive will know it because we ourselves will feel that greave and severe walking around you encounter other spirit filled believers and you feel nothing about slandering them or being so divided from them and there's no desire for unity you have to wonder is the spirit in me and i will clarify something. There was a season in my life. When i really felt like i was fighting for god in casting out you know just dividing and warning people against charismatics. It is people speak in tongues. That's really the devil. And things like that and i thought i was doing it for the sake of god because that's what was ingrained in my head. That's what people had told me. But as i began to know them. And see the faith and see the character of christ in their life again inwardly. It was like whoa. I think i misjudged you. See your love for god as your trust in his blood and see the change in your lifestyle because of the word of god in your obedience to him. I am so sorry and now not only. Do i accept you as a brother sister in christ but because i do the bible says i'm supposed to lab view as christ loved. The church does not enough to say. Okay you're a christian. And i won't bad about you. 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You even talk about this idea of feeling like you have to defend the truth in the book and i think that all of us could relate to that and so many times right now might feel like man. There's so many crazy things out there. I have to stand up and defend the truth. It's my responsibility but a lot of times that leads to what you're talking about this you know throwing people under the bus or criticizing people publicly are all these things people can do. And you said in. Your book said imagine what it would be like if rather than viewing themselves as the defenders of the truth christian leaders like it was their god given duty to defend the unity of the church. And i'm reading that and i thought to myself. I think it's an easier road to feel as though you need to be a defender of the truth. I think it's an easier road and so the harder road would be like. You said like you tell the story in your book about you having like this man that you didn't really agree with and you've got to know him and you're like wait. He loves jesus so much needed so much. Show them so i guess. Let's talk about that for a second. Like this feeling like we have to defend the truth which leads to so many people being so loud about some things that i don't think our hills today on. I want to be really careful on this. Because you can tend to swing you know and Extreme and no way am i saying. Let's pursue unity and forget about truth and defend. You didn't say that in your book either. Let me make sure i say that. You're very clear on that. okay. I'll give you that. Yes i am just saying. There is a way to do. Both there has to be there has to be an. I am not kind of going to moral relativism where we just. Don't care about sin anymore either. No god hates sin. God commands to fight for truth as well but he also commands and demands unity and so there has to be a way to pursue both and like if asians four talks about the book is based around but it talks about how he gives us. You know these leaders in the church to equip the saints for the work of service until we attained the unity of the faith. But he goes on to explain. That's where we don't want people blown and tossed by every wave of doctrine so that is a part of it but somehow in pursuing that truth we've neglected the the love and also tells us that we're supposed to do it in all humility and gentleness in inverse two says with all humility and gentleness with patients bearing with one another in love eager to maintain the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace so some out as where searching and as were studying and as we're trying to come to truth we have to do that with all humility and gentleness all humility and gentleness so i know myself when i was studying fervently it was not with all humility and gentleness it who has with a sense of man i'm pretty. I'm not like scholar scholar. But i also go seasonally intelligent and i'm working hard here and so you just start thinking i've got it. Got it figured out this guy's off and suddenly the humility and gentleness goes out the window you read all about repentance and you brought it up a handful times now so i think it's good to talk about about how even you had to find yourself. You know kind of repenting of ways. Where have maybe thought that like. Oh you actually go in and give percentages like okay. I'm like seventy percent. Sure of this. But i was really thought i was ninety five percent of this show at one point in my life and i appreciate that humility that you're talking about there but you talk about this repentance and you said you know about what if we as christian leaders christians would boast only jesus. Could we would only boasts in. Jesus you said when christians gathered today. They boast about your favorite teacher. And how well he or she explains the word we talk about. Churches worship ministries. You agree on this or whether you don't agree on this. But what if we really just got together and boasted about jesus. And i'll i'll say that was one of the most convicting moments for me in book was reading map because i thought to myself. How often am. I just boasting in jesus. So what does that look like for us who are growing and maturing and there are so many opportunities to learn from people but what does it look like for us to really be people who gather together. And that's all we do. That's all we have to talk about. Yeah you know efforts. We share some things with you jamie. Because you're you know you're doing this podcast. You're people listening to you and it's a dangerous place to be. You wrestled with it my whole life and there are times when suddenly you start looking at numbers in you start looking at followers and you know there's the joy of positive comments the sadness of negative comments and all of that you know it's hard not to take things personally and weird things happen in this world and it wasn't like this you know when i started in ministry you know almost thirty years ago. It's a different world and before you know it had suddenly you're defending your own name and you're concerned about what people say about you. And pretty soon. You're not just saying hallowed be thy name and you're not saying i must decrease and he must increase in the lord has been revealing to me that i think a lot of leaders have a mindset of i must increase so that he can increase with me. And you know it's that fine line where nowadays any leader's gonna be. Attacked lies will be spreads slander. All of it things you said that were you actually said in things that you never really said is on you slit. Whatever you're going to be attacked at creates his defensive nets in us and hurt in us and it exposes the pride and exposes even impure motives at. Why does that bother me as it really. Just because the name of christ is damaged by this or is there are some self preservation here. And you know we live in a time where there's this weird thing in the us with christian celebrities and if you see the name of christian celebrity. That's going to be in this building. People will flock to it. And the name of jesus doesn't draw like that and yet when we pray hallowed be thy name i forgot. I want my actions to follow that. I don't like that people are attracted to certain people are attracted to mind name and will attend for that and yet the name of jesus is not sacred in our nation and it doesn't seem to be sacred in the church even and i want to be a part of changing that somehow lord and so. What does that mean. I'll do anything anything. I must decrease some ou- and your name must increase and then there is. I guess i want to ask you. This is just for me. Maybe listeners are like who cares. But i think i want to ask you. How do you fight that. Because i mean you've just even your book. I mean francis. Channeling people will show up to a conference. Because you're there people will buy your book because your names on it. And i can say like you know is because you have so many great things to say and i don't need to say that here. We know that. But how do you fight that of not succumbing to am one of those people. I mean it's happen. I can look back in life and see these moments of like flesh lee excitement. You know they were the first ones was. There was just this advertising for this conference and just had these names like stanley. Warren chan high bowls. Now is it or you might have been another name or two. And i thought wow mall you have to say is chan and they know it's me you know how many millions of fans are. They're stupid sinful walking. I remember that time seeing my face on a magazine and it was on every seat at this conference. And there's posing and i liked it and and seeing my name in print on a book and i liked it and there was nothing about it it was there and i never remember even another person i had asked. Hey can we get together. And when i got to his house i'm like oh man. Thanks for taking time to be with me and just wanna learn some things gleaned from you he goes off course i would take time for you. You know you're one of the top twenty podcasts. Which i didn't know that time he goes. Did you know you can look that up tunes because yeah you're number nineteen and number two and so then the competitive flashes like okay number two. I'm coming after you. You know it's like so so immature pride fall. I got caught up. I still get caught a only thing. That rings me. Back is when i am silent. My phone is gone. everything is gone. And it's me and all mighty god together just me at his throne and he shows me one. I've been doing to make. Halloween francis chan's name and to picture like i'm breathing. Because you're letting me. I should be destroyed obliterated in your presence because of your own and you sacrifice so that we can have this oneness and nail the live on this earth and i'm supposed to be making much of you. Oh my gosh forgive me. I am so sick changed me. I am so sorry in tears in his presence. And so when i'm close to him that doesn't happen because those who are closest to him you're not arrogant because even those high angels that are right there in his presence there the most humble they're the most holy holy holy is the lord. God on that's all they can say as they cover themselves up but the further we get away from him. That's when we can talk about ourselves but when we're staring at him regularly we don't want anyone looking at us. We are drawing attention to him and so for me. It is only been went on close to him and away from all the other noise that i can see my own san and recognize my need for god to humble me Well thank you for that. Even if it was just for me. I appreciate that incur. That word of encouragement. I think my follow up question for that would as people are listening. There are so many people to follow right now so many things to say. And i'm a podcast sir. And there are books and their podcast in their conference in their churches and their worship. And they're just like oh my gosh and you talk about this a little bit like these islands that we find ourselves and it's like are quote unquote tribe. What is your encouragement to those people to not even make much of francis or jamie but only much of jeez like what is your encouragement to them. And i know it's probably going to be no different than what you just said but there is just. We are inundated with people to follow who most of them probably good motives. Yeah i really believe that one of our biggest problems is we talked too much. And i'm about to pursue a season of silence just greater silence. The bible says you know with the abundance of words sin is not absent so the more i talk the more i'm gonna send and i just wonder anything about that early. Church and acts chapter four and says the full number of believers were one heart and soul before there was a bible and united income for hundreds of years later. And what did they do. It wasn't that much to fight about a stared at a piece of bread. Are you kidding me. Son of god roque his body in shed his blood. The aid drank in his presence. There was such unity. And you know when they ask. Jesus how do we pray he just said when you pray say this our father who are in heaven yes likely Five says you know card your steps when you draw near to the house of god. Don't don't come in and just start. Talking is people don't recognize that they're offering a foolish offering that is evil and what if believers spent more time in silence. You know it's like you get attacked in your first instinct. Is i gotta fight back in defend myself and everything else in. But that's just adding everything else. What if there is greater silence and we got back to like whoa just gay. That is beauty Think about the body. And blood. Of christ as i'm humbled in weeping look across from me. There's jamie on her knees crying over the bread and the cup in marveling at how could god so holy sacrificed so much for her and we're both just reaping looking at each other. What does look like can you. What what he say. How can we be how can repeat. Earn is present the if we spent more time doing that and less time talking which it seems like. That's what heaven is. It seems like there's more just staring at the throne in awe and listening to others just praising him collectively sing worthy is the lamb who was slain holy holy holy is lord almighty who was in his in his to come in the more we do that and humbly have this wonder and reverence for him. It's really hard to fight and you recognize how much you've been forgiven of and how huge that gap is between ham. Yourself is hard to be proud in. It's hard to fight on a danette. Same we don't fight for truth we do. I'm just thinking we just talked too much period. I think it would be ranger book about love. We talk about love a lot. You know and i appreciate it. I think at the beginning. I don't have this in my notes. But i think at the beginning. You said you know we can talk about the value and the realness legitimate of scripture about sexual purity but then we talk about unity and love. We might be seen as weak watering down. But really what you're talking about too is like you're saying if we were just being off of jesus and what he did for us it would be harder to have this disunity and you and your book talking a lot about love and you say. Our differences usually aren't caused by difference in theology but a lack of relationship. And you our problem is not our difference of opinion or interpretation is the shallowness of our love and i wonder too if you could expand just for a few minutes at the end here. What does it look like for us to really love wait. Guide ask us so many anti says like people are going to know. You're my disciples. By the way you love each other. And that is a heart wrenching verse. Because there's such a lack of love within the church and god is so clear that if you want people to know that you follow me no by the way you love each other. You know even as you're talking asking me to share about this ali spurts convicting me in. Just you're not gonna rush from one interviewed the next and you know here. We are talking about these truths in god is just saying okay do you love jamie lee pure godly. Just she's your sister. She has my spirit in her. she's my daughter. Do love her with this. Christ like love you feel anything for her or is this just an interview. Is this just. let's talk on. I'm so sorry. I don't know what's going on in your life. I don't know if you know you're struggling. I dunno if you've got bad news lately. I don't know and honestly i didn't care that sucks. I hate that about me. I hate that. We've been talking for half an hour and i can't with integrity. Say oh jamie. The moment. I jumped on it to start out. I love you as sister and cry. No doing my thing. I'm talking and saying things. I think are true biblically and that are good things. But this is the problem is i'm a noisy gone or clanging cymbal. Because people are hearing me. Talk to someone. I love in all my years and christian education like i didn't i don't remember us ever talking about love. It was just did you know this. Did you know this. Did you know there's now you better know this for the test. And that's where the love becomes like this secondary thing. You spent several years indoctrinated on these truths which is great. A man a man but at the expense at the exclusion of this command. The great command to love each other. I didn't love my classmates. They were competition. Or you know if there was a curve. It's just it's my nasa's all these things Fighting for truth. But i did not have the heart of christ and i apologize i you know until just now it's like the spirit is gone her as you're there you go again. You're talking adding to the noise and forgive me jaime. It's not natural still for me to see another human being filled with the spirit and thank. I wanna love him. I wanna love her and bless her somehow and god maybe even give me a spiritual gift that would bless her and encourage your heart. I pray that. I didn't think that and era go adding to the problem but saying good stuff. You know. It's wrong answer the problem and thank goodness for the holy spirit You know. I just recently was aware to trap and experience some simulation that doesn't add to the story or not but i all the front and expressed it to her and she said the thing that i want you to remember is that god gave us the gift of the spirit to do exactly. This is to convict us into remind us and to bring things to light. And so i'm so grateful for that. Even in you talking about love just now francis for your book. And i without sounding too much like we just talked about. I do want to say. I think it's a timely message and i think it's important and I think that god is going to use these words that you put into the world to do great work in people's hearts and that's what you can pray for as someone who's willing to put their thoughts and words into the world and so i'm grateful for you and i'm grateful that you did that and so it just wanted to say. Thank you for for the work that you've put into this message. It's it's for me it's for you. It's for continuously every day for all of us old. Hey guys today show is brought to you. By pine cove summer camp now these are big fans pine cove. in fact. we've done family camp. Our kids have gone to camp there for the past several summers as many as i can count and they're heading back this summer and they're so excited pine cove summer. 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Use the code happy hour two fifty for two hundred fifty dollars off a first time overnight. Youth can't registration a. I always like to ask my guess. We end what they're reading. I love to hear what other people are reading. So what are you reading these days. No i just read this book. And i forget the title is a little book and it was about you. Know like pursuing quiet basically And you know as written by some old dad person that You know in a time where they understood. Silence better and meditation. And you know we kind of pushed off as like this easterner buddhist or whatever whereas at it's not it's very biblical and it is more he's turn i think our eastern brothers and sisters understand their it. Yeah you know whereas we're all about knowledge in technology is not true knowledge. It's about information the information. Yeah acquiring information and we don't take the time to meditate and so this book really just helped me understand. How much noise was in my head and how to get it out in how to get time alone with him. Not just empty my mind and see what comes to you. Know not to get away from noise and just listened to the noise in my own head but even See that and be alone with the father stun spirit. And so that's why. I'm entering into a season of greater quiet that has pursue that. I believe i will take on. More of the characteristics of cries will become more natural to see someone in immediately xinyu when lee love lamb them. Well everyone's going to want to know the name francis you're going to have to find it and let us know and we can let them know what it is because i promise you i'll get a million messages. What was that book. That francis francis thanks for coming on the happy hour. I really appreciate your leadership in your voice right now in the world and so thank you so much for joining us. Okay you guys. I would love to hear your thoughts on this show. Maybe more than ever so. 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Lets talk about Francis Chan and Todd White

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Lets talk about Francis Chan and Todd White

"The? Old. Doctrine matters podcast where we seek to equip the church to understand and live out its faith I'm your host Stephen do on the preaching pastor at South, Carolina Baptist Church in Jonesboro Arkansas. We want to thank you for joining us today. Let's get right to today's episode. Air Gloria everybody better be aware we need to say that when it comes to the preachers, the teachers that we here in the pool pits, the ones that we hear on Youtube facebook and all of the ones that people are ranting and raving about. Each day because we must be aware of the things they're teaching and listen carefully to what they're teaching because we do not want to be deceived and we should not be deceived as believers in Christ. So. What brings me here today to share this episode with you and to start the podcast off this way. Today will it is because of a man named Francis Chan, which many of you probably have heard about in the past many of you have probably listen to read the books. One of his most popular books is crazy love He was a pastor I think it was cornerstone in somewhere in California. For a good while they're and seemed to be really solid in his theology in his earlier years and he left the church stopped pastoring and and to be quite honest with you, I didn't keep up with Francis Chan after he left his church. So I'm not real sure what he ended up doing but I do know is that I was going through facebook today like all of you do and some of you would say please stay off facebook and that's probably some wise counsel there because there's a lot of stuff on facebook just gets you all kinds of route up nervous if you're not careful so. I was doing what we all do is looking through facebook and it came across someone that shared the the latest from Francis Chan. And he is passionately speaking about the Holy Spirit in dwelling life of a believer. Is What it comes down to. We're going to listen to the clip. and. Many of you have probably already heard the clip if you have then you know where we're headed with this. But we're talking about being aware of the people that you hear in the pool pits and this goes for your pastor will and I tell my people this all the time that don't just take my word for it. You're called attest what I say against the Scriptures so go home and study and make sure what I'm telling you is correct. So we need to not do. That with the todd whites and the Francis chance of the world we need to do that with our own local pastors as well. But definitely, when we see these things pushed out on a large scale across social media and Youtube and different things like that we need to be careful to understand the doctrine and theology that's behind what they are preaching or what they're teaching. So. When Francis. Chan here and I'm going to play the clip here in just a second. He is talking about the dwelling of the Holy Spirit. You know what? Let me let me just go ahead and play this guy this is. This is the latest from Francis Chan. Let's take a listen to this together, and then we'll kind of talk through it. He died so that my soul could be cleansed. So my body could become completely clean so that his Holy Spirit would enter into me. And just like I would there ever refer to Jesus as just an ordinary guy. None of us would. Are you kidding me he was a man and somehow he was God at once you can't call him ordinary police. You understand what he's saying about us now. Like right now, you're looking at a person who is not just in person somehow God is in me and there's a sense in which I am like God and Man. At once His spirit dwells inside of me. He died. Let me start this. Let me let me go back here. Did you catch? What he said, let me back up and let's listen here. Again. Somehow. God is in me and there's a sense in which I am like God and man all at once. That is the troubling statement that. Heard from Francis Chan? Somehow I'm like God and man at the same time. Now. He he did make some true statements. The in dwelling of the Holy Spirit does come upon a believer lives inside the life of a believer you have the power of God. The Holy Spirit dwelling the life of a believer. We see that we know that Jesus talks about the comforter no matter of fact let's just look at a Fijian's chapter one together real quick. Would start in verse eleven of Chapter. One it says in Him, which is Christ we have obtained an inheritance having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the council have is, will e everybody said Amen to that verse twelve so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his. Glory the verse thirteen in him you also when you heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation and believed in him were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it to the praise of his glory this Inheritances Eternal Life with Christ this is glorification this inheritance that we have that we patiently. Await. We. Wait for it. We long for this inheritance that we've been given as we have repetitive our sins entrusted in Christ now. We have been sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. This is. Where we see that the the Holy Spirit dwells the life of a believer and we also we see Jesus talking about the Holy Spirit in John Chapter Fourteen Verse Twenty Six, which says, but the helper, the Holy Spirit whom the father will send in my name he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I. Have Said you so here, Jesus talks about the helper the. Ho-. The. Of the Holy Spirit that will come after he departs for those that repent and believe in Christ Jesus were sealed with the deposit This guaranteed is Holy Spirit is the dwelling of the Holy Spirit that will help us convict us that will bring bring forth the word within our hearts as we've read it and remembered it, and we understand it helps us understand the word of God. But nowhere in the passages of scripture, do we see that the dwelling of the Holy Spirit makes us like God and man simultaneously because that's who Jesus was he was the Godman I love. How are Sproul said it instead of saying he was fully God and fully man which he was. RC sproul said he was truly God and truly man. Now Francis Chan here is really saying some troubling things as he's talking about being like God and man at the same time because he is a believer that has been in a has an dwelling of the Holy Spirit and that is not what the Bible teaches. We just in these few passages of scripture that I've read to you just now that nowhere scripture and and and I. Will give it to you I will put it over in your court I want you to test the spirits. I want you to test what Francis Chan is said and even test what I say. I. Want you to take the whole counsel of God and find somewhere in there where we become like God both truly God, truly man simply because of the dwelling of Holy Spirit the Bible doesn't teach it I don't believe you will find it. This is very dangerous. This is a heresy. To do anything that would say that we are a god is heretical and we should consider it garbage to be honest with you. But I talk about on the episode yesterday when we started talking about todd wide and repentance and things like that. Here's what we should do is Francis Chan we shouldn't just write him off and call him a quack and call him a heretic which this is dangerous. This teaching is dangerous. Hopefully, he will come back and correct what he said. Maybe he was just in the passion of the moment saying it's like he's God and Man I. Don't know how you confuse that because you're not God and you're not man oh Man. But you're not a god man like Jesus was. That is just not true when it comes to the scripture. So hopefully, hopefully, Francis Chan, will hear the backlash and here this kind of coming across social media and and hopefully he will Tell us what he meant to say what he did not mean to say something like that. Hopefully, he'll repent and seek forgiveness for for comparing himself to Jesus as a God man because the Bible does not teach that we are God's this is flirting with word of faith heresy where Kenneth Copeland and those men. Believe that because we're saved, we become like God or become little gods. We are not little gods matter of fact, we let me just we do make ourselves little g God sometimes because we want to received glory for different things and we violate God's commandment not to have any gods before him. So when we do make ourselves a little G God we have been sinned the we have sought the glory above God and we have become our own God and therefore we have sinned and God calls us not to do that. He calls sin and we will be corrected and disciplined as his children when we sin in such a way to make a god before him even if that God is ourselves, so we do find that the Bible. Teaches that man won't to seek glory man is seeking nothing but gory for himself nothing. But anything that makes him feel good. He seeking after worldly pleasures and he cares nothing about God we see that in scripture. But when we become a believer and we put other things before God or even ourselves, we make ourselves a little g gods that sin. So the Bible is clear on that the Bible is not going to say anywhere that you look that you become like God or a God or a little g God when you repent of your sin and trust Christ dwelling of the Holy Spirit is a beautiful thing because it is the third person of the Trinity in dwelling. Every, believer everywhere all at same time helping US convicting us, comforting, US. Helping US understand the word of God. It doesn't make us God or like God. If you were to go back to Philippians, you would see that Jesus didn't even think equality thing to be grasped when it come to God as the second person of the Trinity. So even see. Jesus say this is what makes God think or or what makes us thank God is going to make us Like gods. Now, this puts us on a level playing field with Jesus if we become like a god or like Jesus or a God whatever the case may be this puts us on a level playing field and this is not biblical. Christianity. This is why doctrine matters. This is why theology matters your view of God matters because your view of God is going to allow you to either say, no, we will never be like God will be glorified one day we see that in scripture absolutely but we will never be like God on this side of eternity because God the God man was Senlis. He was perfect. Yes. He was truly man but he was also truly God which means that he could not sin. He did not sin. He was the perfect sacrifice. So if we look at Francis Chan's life, yes, he may have an dwelling of the Holy Spirit, but he is still a fallen man this side of eternity. Now, if Francis China's a brother in Christ if he has repented of his sins and trusted and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, then he will one day be glorified in and with Christ only other side of eternity in heaven. But until that happens, he's still on this side of eternity living in a fallen world and he is a fallen man that is still sinful. I've said this before that sanctification doesn't mean that we're going to be Senlis, but it does mean that we will sin less. So even as sanctified as he can get on this side of eternity, he still going to be a fallen sinner in need of a savior just like you and I. So you and I may have the into willing of the Holy Spirit. But that doesn't make us like because we are still fallen individuals. That experience sin we give in to sin give into temptation. We do things that we don't want to do because we still live in this fallen world, but we do seek repentance and continue in faith following Christ. So we cannot look at this and say, yes, if you have repetitive sin and trusted Christ, you have the end willing the Holy Spirit you are now a god man or a God woman no you a filthy Richard sooner still in need of a savior and praise God that there is a willing of the Holy Spirit that keeps you that comforts. You the convicts you of that seeing that helps you understand the word of God that convicts you when you're living it to please yourself in sin and draws you back and you repent and continue to follow Christ praise God for that. If we were a god man like Jesus was we would have no reason for the Holy Spirit we the Holy Spirit would have not have to convict anybody of sin. We'd all be perfect would be the God man and there's only one perfect one and that is Christ Jesus. He is the only one that will ever walk this. That has lived a perfect life. So we have to be careful when we listen to these guys no matter how big their name is no matter. How many books of theirs we've read no matter how many sermons we've listened to her what we've seen heard or done with these particular individuals we cannot give in to every single thing that they say. I'm reminded of the media in the world that we live in right now many people are deceived and they're convinced that everything that CNN tells them is the God's honest truth. So they will fall follow this narrative blindly and there's many people out there that say Francis China's a believer Francesa's good man I have no reason not to believe what he says they will begin to take on this identity that they themselves are a god man or like God and man, and that is simply going to be a very troubled way to live. He cannot continue to preach this stuff and if he does he must be called. On it in greatly because this will lead others astray, this will deceive many. So we have to have men and women step up and declare the wrong from the right. So we have to put this before are people before the people we know and say, no, we are not God men. We never will be in the only way that will ever be is when we're glorified with Christ for all of eternity and when were perfected in him. Then, there will be no more sin there'll be no more sorrow no more sickness but until then we are wretched sinners in need of a savior daily. So be not deceived again. Don't call him don't. Be Out with the bathwater here. Don't don't just throw Francis Chan into the heretical word of faith camp or or any other kind of place just yet because we need to be praying for this man, we need to be on our faces praying for Francis Chan because he has a platform, he has a large platform maybe it's not as large as it once was maybe it's not as large as some others, but he has a platform this. Video has made the rounds many many times. So we must pray diligently for this man that he would repent of this error and that he would continue to seek and follow Christ and honor God and all that he does all that he says. So until then be on your faces praying for FA Francis Chan don't throw him out just yet but pray diligently that he would be saved, which segues into the second part of this episode and. For the second part of the episode, we're going to talk again about Todd White. Now, if you listen to the podcast from yesterday, you will know that we mentioned todd white in his repentance that he put forth on the stage. At the end of July and We talked through that. What that looks like kind of the same deal. Is Not to just say Oh was his repentance real because only time will really tell because we can't really know for sure when somebody says they have repented if it's truly real or not. But time will tell the fruit that is produced or lack thereof will help us understand if that repentance was truly real. So we're GONNA talk about Todd White now because I've watched another sermon that really made me put my hand to my forehead. And I just shook my head as I listened the sermon is from August, the fourth at believe, and shortly after the the repentance sermon that he came out with. And if you remember if you listened yesterday, I told you that we need to be praying for todd white and hoping this repentance is real but as I was listening to the associated about the eleven minute thirty second mark. Things started changing a bit. I mean he quoted Leonard Raven Hill. I mean, he talked about spurgeon again. But then he flips and it it almost seems like todd white goes back to being angry todd white and he's mad at. The American Gospel Film and really started throwing some stuff out there and it began to become i. almost like what we just talked about is making ourselves the recipient of the glory putting ourselves above the glory of God. So, I got it here. Let's just kind of walk through this. Just a bit kind of listen to this. Now I'm not saying that todd whites repentance is not real as do WanNa pray for todd white but some of the things that you're about to hear that that that I heard were really. kind of troubling. So, let's just listening to this together for these men of God and women of God and I WanNa. Thank again also, there are a lot of people out there that are believed that A. I'm deceived. Thank you for praying for me. I need it. I need prayer. To say that someone's wrong and to not get on your face and cry out for them soul they're so They're. So because if I'm deceived and you're not crying out for me and you say that you love God you're a liar. I would have to agree with todd white here that if we. Think that someone is deceived that we look at them and say what a heretic and listen in the reformed camp. It is a lot is real easy for a lot of brothers and sisters to really just throw them at the bottom of the theological heap pile because we believe they have it. All wrong. We call them heretics and we kind of kick them to the. Curb. We don't care much about them because they don't believe what we believe in teach what we believe or teach what we teach. So there are in every camp really but there is a tendency to push people out of the way and not pray for them. So we need to be praying for the Kenneth Copeland's the Stephen firdous when it'd be praying for the Bill Johnson's. For Todd White, my all these people right we need to be praying for every one of these people that we think or believe have been deceived. They're deceiving others we need to warn people we need to back it up with the True Gospel of Jesus Christ with the word of God but we need to be praying that God would save their soul. So I, I would I would actually agree with todd white here. Because you actually you actually hate me. If I'm GonNa tell you that somebody's deceived but I'm not going to be one to go on my lease and be human. Christ Jesus. And cry out for them to see the truth. Then, I'm not a Christian. I don't Love Them I love my opinion. I don't care who you are. You. Better if you have a problem with somebody better be praying for them not just well, he's deceived and one day. Do you really want me to go to hello did you really want me to go to hell like what if I died in the position that you thought I was in your eyes? I'd have been in hell, but I'd be at the right hand of the father with Jesus praying for you. See here's the deal. Love looks like something. Love doesn't have an opinion. Love keeps no record of wrongs. Our God is an awesome God and he created us in his image and in the likeness of God he made man man fell because of sin. Because of sin but Jesus restored that which was lost what was lost? I am overtaken with gratitude for people that are prayed for me and have said man he's going off they made a movie. Called The American Gospel About Me None of them call. First of all the American Gospel Movie Let's just say this. Let's just get this out there. It was not about Todd White. And continues to say this, you've seen the movie. Most of you have if you haven't the last time I checked, it was free all net flicks. To, watch the first part was. I would highly encourage you to watch it. It's not about Todd White. There are some todd white moments in their. Where they look at the the lengthening of the leg and different things like that. So it's not just about todd white it's about the American Gospel and how the Gospel has been put out in such a watered-down false way and it's backed up with the true. Gospel. So it's not just about todd wide and he's about to say that nobody reached out to him ask him what he really believed but the director of the movie. I've seen emails that he is put out on social media where he reached out to todd white on multiple occasions and was declined Did Not, get a chance to talk with todd white so. It was put out there that todd was indeed reached out to but I. Digress. Let me let me just push play here. Me To talk to me not one of them asked me to share my heart. Not One of them asked me what I believe. They assumed and put me into a place of guilt because of the Association and friends like Bill Johnson or Kenneth Copeland. Now. All of a sudden todd's the biggest heretic on the planet or Benny Hinn shame on you. For Not Graying for me and talking to me but making a movie thinking that you're God's police you're GonNa stand before a Holy God and answer for your life of judgment and hey, and it's called murder. Let me stop here. This is kind of the direction it went. You could see that. There is some frustration there with todd white there is some animosity. There and yes, todd and everybody else listening. We will stand before a holy God. And if we stand before a holy God and let deceptive. Run rampant without calling it what it is, or if we let our brothers and sisters and family members and friends be sucked into this deception, this theology that is wrong. This doctrine that is wrong if we allow them to be sucked into that and to continue down that path, then we as believers who study. The word of God who loved the word of God. Who Do whatever it takes to make sure that we are accurately handling the word of God. If we don't call a spade a spade in when we see false doctrine than we are in sin, we are leading our brothers and sisters in our family members and our co workers and our friends and and all the people that we know in love we are letting them be deceived without saying a word. This is probably Really an elementary. way to think about this but it it fits. So I'm going to say. It's been likened to salvation before. So we're going to use it in this way of teaching that can lead people to hell right so If you knew that the bridge was out, it's been it's collapsed whatever and there's a bus full of one hundred people barely down the highway. They have no clue that the the bridge is out. Are you going to sit by and watch that bus go by and you know it's out you've rolled on it you've seen it you've backed up you've reversed it you've turned around. Are you going to let this bus full of people just roll right off that bridge and kill everyone of them. No I would say that you're going to be out of your car out of your truck. You're going to be trying to wave this bus down. You're trying to get this thing to stop because you know the bridges out and that bus does not need to continue going down that path or there's major destruction that's going to happen the same way. Believe we should be with false teaching with false doctrine with theology that is gross with this heresy. We should warn our brothers and our sisters we should warn everybody that we know. We can do it in such a way that's not hateful. I will say that I've seen a lot of hateful ways. It's been done many hateful ways of trying to call people out on their their theology and their doctrine, but we should definitely not be hateful in that but we should be backing everything with the word of God and the American Gospel Film. Desperately cried out that the American Gospel as we know it this word of Faith Prosperity Gospel is not the biblical. Gospel it is not a biblical Worldview So we. Understand that the American Gospel film was done out of love to help our brothers and sisters, and then there's even people in this thing that were given to this sort of theology that were. In this word of faith prosperity, movement. That was saved out of this movement and God radically changed their hearts. He saved them in their in their interviewed they're being interviewed in in their path in their journey from that too. When God, saved him. One of the major ones that's in this film is Kosti hand which has been hens nephew if you don't know who cost he as you should listen to his story matter of fact, the story is in the American Gospel Film He's written a couple of books I've been able to hear him preach live and talk about these things. It's been amazing I think he's got a podcast. There's so much to learn from costea hin but Kosti Hin was saved and he realized. The? Prosperity. Gospel wasn't the True Gospel. So he left that lifestyle and I say lifestyle because that's what it is. Ultimately, it's deceiving people so can live lavish lifestyles. There's no re there's no wonder that these men travel in the best jets. They live in the biggest mansions they stay in the finest hotels I think cost talks in American in American Gospel film that they stayed I believe it may have been in Greece and I think it was twenty thousand dollars a night to stay on this hotel in this hotel in these rooms with. Gold everywhere in the shower all these things crazy. The things that he talked about that they the way they lived a lavish lifestyle made by deceiving men and women into giving their money in return for blessings from God health wealth and prosperity. So. Costly Hint is just a beautiful testimony along with all the others that are in there. Just a wonderful testimony of how God has saved by grace through faith and people have come out of that movement into a saving faith in a true biblical walk with Christ. And that's all they were doing when they talked about Todd White in his deception with the leg pulling in the the quote unquote miracles that he was able to produce in people and just enough truth in his sermons. Backed up with deception and then aligning himself with people like Kenneth Copeland and bill. Johnson. It's important for us as brothers and sisters that we make sure the people that we alon with are not heretics that they do preach and believe the True Gospel of Jesus Christ. They do believe the true word of God the whole counsel of God that they aren't preaching and teaching and promoting heresy we have to be careful who align with that's even in our local level there's been times as a pastor where I've had. To turn down things because I would be standing shoulder to shoulder with the word of faith, church, and pastor and what would that look like to my congregation or our congregation where we teach against this stuff yet I'm rubbing elbows with them. I'm not saying that we can't love him that we can't have conversation with them, but it must be gospel saturated but we must be careful who we align ourselves with and some of you may be thinking that's a little harsh. Why can't you serve your community alongside of? Denominations. And, we can as long as those denominations believe on the primary doctrines found in scripture. that's not what I'm saying. So we can align ourselves with other denominations. So long as again, primary doctrines closed fist and we believe in agree on those that salvation the Virgin Birth salvation by grace through faith alone is not by works that we don't believe in Health Wealth Prosperity, Gospel. So to say, well, why couldn't you just serve alongside align yourself with these this this church for one day just for the greater good of your community or whatever the case may be, and I would say we'll. That'd be almost like saying it's okay to go. For me as a pastor in our church to come alongside the LGBTQ church in the area who has a transgender pastor and to say, Hey, we're going to partner with you to serve our community and the newspaper comes out the news comes out the people in our congregational. Why are you aligning with what clearly God calls on abomination? To you, you'd probably change your you. You probably wouldn't want to align with that church. So we got to be careful we had to be really careful who we aligned ourselves with and Todd White was getting really frustrated about people throwing him in the camp with. I'm sorry Kenneth Copeland Bill Johnson and that crew will todd. Why did it to himself in that crew is known to be heretical and teach preach false doctrines. So. I, say all that to say this about todd wide I kinda went down some chasing rabbits there for a couple of minutes. But I say all that to say this is I was very upset to hear him come back and be very aggressive and and has so much animosity toward the American Gospel film, and the people that say he's deceived. After really seeing showing what looked like to be a true harder for penance. and talking about the true. Gospel and the Full Gospel and all of those things so. Would have to wait and see what happens. But still believers let's continue to pray for Todd White let's continue to pray for Francis Chan. Let's pray for all these other guys and even the ladies that claim to be pastors and they teach false doctrines they teach men they shouldn't do that Joyce Meyer I'm even thinking of Beth more how pastors are letting her stand in their pull pits and teach the word of God to both men and women on Sunday mornings, and that's another. Another episode for another time, we won't get into that today but I say that say this let's pray for these people. Let's pray that the Lord would convict them the Holy Spirit. Let's pray that they would be open to listening and receiving and repenting. Of their wrongdoing and their false doctrine and heresy and their messed up the so. I'll say that, say this again all of this today. Test the spirits. Test Todd, white test everything he says to the scriptures. That's how you're going to see this repents thing is real or not test Francis. Chan with the scriptures. Do whatever you need to do. But test these men test these people that you see test these people that you hear test. Yes. Your local pastor and pastor when you're tested don't get upset don't get mad. It's all for the greater good in the glory of God. So we must test everything that we hear. And we must studied the show themselves approved as the Bible teaches. And pray for these people. That's about it. That's all I have for this episode and I thank you for listening. Don't be deceived pray for these men and women until next time. God. Bless.

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Ep. 27 | Jesus Changes Everything Part 2

Moving Mountains

15:27 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 27 | Jesus Changes Everything Part 2

"I'm Christine Welsh. Welcome to moving mountains off. This is a space for those who wanNA climb mountains. And for those who don't it's a place for dreamers who longed to scale and possibilities and it's further discouraged who dread the disasters in their way life elitist the edge of both kinds of mountains and sometimes our everyday. Yes as to God will lead us to the edge of a steep cliff. And we're GONNA need a little nudge to jump. It's my hope that today you'll feel a little more inspired equipped and challenged to just keep climbing. We will end each episode with a challenge. I'd love to hear your thoughts your dreams and even your disasters and how you're overcoming them. One step at a time. Share your thoughts using Hashtag moving mountains and tag we are that family and mercy house global. Find me at we. Are That family. This May to move mountains episode twenty seven. It's no doubt that your Easter Sunday. This year will look very different than it did. Last year. This past year I returned from Kenya on a Saturday the day in between Good Friday and Easter I find myself in between two worlds the one in my culture where Easter is celebrated with three forty five minute church services and Easter egg hunt and long lines at popular restaurants and the one insurer Lanka where worshippers at three Christian churches were murdered by militant suicide bomber radicals while attending Easter services. While one is responsible for the other it should remind us that the cost of following Jesus is higher for some. It will also remind us that a year can change a lot. I don't WanNa be persecuted anymore than you do. But Francis Chan points to dozens of scriptures that say persecution is a part of the Christian life in his book letters to the Church. I have heard this all my life. He says now the reason. We are not getting persecuted because we live in America. I don't believe that if you're not being persecuted it's because you purposefully avoid persecution. If Jesus lived in America he would be persecuted. You know why. Because he didn't know how to keep his mouth shut. He spoke up. Remember the disciples had a chance to avoid persecution. The religious leaders told him. Just stop preaching about Jesus Peter replied you judge for yourself. Who Am I going to obey you or God? The suffering staff is in every book of the New Testament. It's all over the message of Christianity. Is that you will suffer for Jesus. And He is worth it. In the last podcast. We talked about how Jesus changes everything. I believe that Jesus changes how we live if we let him. Recently I was on the Internet doing a little shopping and was tempted to snag a deal that I felt like couldn't be and then I remember the commitment my twenty year old daughter and I made two years before to buy only fair trade or secondhand clothes over the past year. Awards have slowly changed. It's been hard and really good. We have less. We have more an everyday avid choice to make what I buy. What's easy quick and cheap or will I use my purchasing power to literally set people? Free what I shop in ignorance or what. I researched before I bought what possibly contribute to modern day slavery by buying something made in a sweatshop or what. I spend a little more effort to provide freedom. This is why most of my clothes come from thrift shops or secondhand stores. I buy fewer new things because ethically made clothing isn't cheap. I thought about the irony of how many of my past Easter purchases. Whether it be my kids Easter baskets or close have kept people in bondage while. I'm celebrating the resurrection of the one who came to set people free. Yeah I can be a real shopping to light. But if I run a nonprofit built on empowering women and I don't shop with purpose who will. This isn't a challenge free to accept my own personal convictions. But I do hope it makes you think about what you buy more times than I can count. I've sat in the homes of women who sold their children into slavery because they knew they would survive even if it costs them their freedom. I've met women around. The Globe are making impossible. Desperate choices every day and while I know that my Easter or whatever holiday purchase isn't enough to solve the problem of modern day slavery or fast fashion. That doesn't mean it doesn't matter every purchase we make for our homes and families can't be fair trade but when they can be shouldn't they be there so many items that do provide help and hope? I've made it my life's work to tell you about them. Because when we know the truth we are responsible when we have the power to set people free with our purchases. We should what I'm really proposing here. Is that if Jesus truly changes everything including how we live. He will also change how we spend. We will care about justice because he cares about justice we will acknowledge that some of the forty million slaves in our world. Today who don't walk in freedom could be in bondage due to our own consumerism on the second year anniversary of starting Mercy House. I got a tattoo on the arch of my foot. It hurt and for weeks every step I took was reminder of the painful course correction I was on. It says wet. Oh Man do I require view to act justly love mercy and walk humbly. That last part is burned onto the flesh of my foot because God etched. Micah six eight onto the flesh of my heart. I care about justice because God asked me to. I know these aren't easy words to swallow. I get how hard it is and I understand. It costs US more. I know I'm talking about flipping things upside down or is it really flipping thing. S- right side up but if Christians who value justice in stand for righteous nece aren't buying fairtrade if believers aren't supporting fair purchases. Are we really living their lives? Has Encountering Jesus Really Changed? Everything how we live. I love these words by an boss Cam. What if all our lives kind of flipped our paradigm flipped? Our perspectives flipped. Our priorities flipped? Our homes flipped because the stories in our homes flipped from unfair stories to fair trade. Ones flipped to a story that you would want to know a store. You'd want to tell not a story. Vote oppression or exploitation but a story. That deeply respects every artisan with the dignity. Dignity of a quality work environment the fully honors their craft with empowering fair compensation that gives grace back to the world. Did Grace we've so lavishly been given if our homes aren't telling a fair trade story our homes telling an unfair story. We can't change what has been done. We waste our time regretting what is already been bought and spent but every new day is an opportunity to let the greatness of the Gospel who Jesus is change how we shop in what we do when we encounter. Jesus he changes how we live if knowing and serving him doesn't change. How do we really know him? Now I know that we're all in a very uncertain time. We're probably not spending money. We're watching our budgets and so it's a it's the perfect opportunity as we've slowed down our spending to think about how we're going to spend differently in future. I believe Jesus also changes who we are. When I was in Israel I picked up three small smooth stones from the shore of the Sea of Galilee for my kids. Attacked them into my pocket. Terri and I got in replica. Fishing boat the water was still like glass and surrounded by mountains. I thought about the mountains of climbed in those. The Saloum ahead large insurmountable. I thought about the storm that tends to rage inside as I looked out on the water that she's just walked on and calmed. I reminded myself. He was in the boat with us. I love the story. We find in mark six that day when evening came Jesus said to his disciples. Let's go over to the other side leaving the crowd behind. They took him along just as he was in the boat there were other boats with him. A furious squall came up in the waves broke over the boat so that it was nearly swamped. Jesus was in the stern sleeping. On a cushion the disciples woke came and said teacher. Don't you care if we drown? He got up rebuked the wind and the waves and said quiet still then. The wind died down and it was completely calm. He said to his disciples. Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith? They were terrified and ask each other. Who is this even the wind and the waves obey him? Mark Thirty five through forty one thirty mark. Four thirty five forty one. Pastor Todd Phillips teaches in his Bible study called keep climbing that Jesus invited. The fishermen turned disciples to the place where they were most comfortable. The water a huge storm at the boat in the water and the disciples panic in total fear. They cried out to Jesus but he was asleep in the middle of this storm. How many times have I been afraid? Scared out of my mind in total panic and my faith miniscule and I'm oblivious to Jesus right next to me. Jesus miraculously calm the storm. But he doesn't work the same way every time. Pastor Phillips believes God moves are mountains in three distinct ways number one intervention. We see Jesus intervene. On behalf of the scared disciples in the boat and immediately calm the water and resolve the situation. They ask and he moved the mountain throughout the Bible. We see examples of God's immediate miraculous movement. It's jaw-dropping incredible often. Unbelievable we cling to the stories of God's splitting the Red Sea of walls falling down and of Jesus most playing the fish and loaves. We long to see him. Perform miracles in our lives. Raise the dead till I've HILL TERMINAL CANCEL RECONCILE FAMILIES WE WANT. Jesus intervene for us. We read about God intervening on Paul and Silas behalf enact sixteen when they were in prison and praising God we are encouraged at God's miraculous intervention but as we know he doesn't always work this way. The second is interaction. God moves mountains not by changing our circumstances but by changing US instead pester Phillips gives the example of Paul once again in prison but this time there is no earthquake or chains dropping off. Paul spent several years as a prisoner in room but he didn't let his imprisonment defeat him. He appears in his writing to be joyful in spite of his circumstances and scholars believe heroes seven letters of the New Testament during this time. He took advantage of the time he was in prison. Allow God to speak through him. God often leaves our circumstances unchanged he doesn't move the mountains he moves us. He asked us to go through. In order to overcome and the Third Way that Pastor Phillips Mentions is interaction both God and Man Act. We've moved for forward with what we know and have faith for what we don't know I love. Definition is the faith in Action Formula. That requires our obedience and trust that he will be there with us as we take a step of faith to follow him in two thousand. Eighteen traveled with a team for Mercy. House to introduce art for the first time to our teen MOMS and Kenya. The Swahili Word. Asana means art. My oldest daughter Madison was one of the art teachers. Who taught these beautiful and eager artists? How to hold paintbrushes? Sketch self-portraits draw shapes and dream again? I lack the words. Describe how God has used art to heal and provide hope. Were both were needed. I held back tears as I watched my daughter teach her peers. How to Water Colour Gorgeous Mountain landscapes? One of those paintings became the cover of my new book made to move mountains little. Did I know that as my daughter show them how to paint the depth and realism of mountains? Our family would step into its shadows again. The last few years have taught me the beauty of the words by a young Indian writer who said sometimes artists has to paint on the canvas of darkness with colors of hope to create a masterpiece. What is about mountains and the spiritual life? Yes we see proof. They were a part of the landscape of the Bible but the link between mountains and worship that we find in God's word should make us pause reflect and ask how has Jesus who changed everything. How is he changing me? Think about psalms forty six especially now as our world is facing an unprecedented time of uncertainty and fear it says God is our refuge and strength a very present help in trouble therefore we will not fear though the earth should change though the mountains shake in the heart of the sea though its waters roar and foam though the mountains tremble with its tumult there is a river whose streams make glad the city of God the Holy Habitation of the most high. God is in the midst of the city. It shall not be moved. God will help it when the morning dawns. The nations are in uproar. The kingdom's totter. He utters his voice the Earth melts. The Lord of hosts is with us. The God of Jacob is our refuge come behold the works of the Lord see what desolation he has brought on the earth he makes wars cease to the land to the end of the earth. He breaks the bow and shatters. The spear he burns the shields with fire. Be Still and know that I am God. I am exalted among the nations. I am exalted in the air. The Lord of host is with us the God Jacob is.

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Ken Harrison

The Eric Metaxas Show

42:48 min | 2 months ago

Ken Harrison

"Welcome to the eric metaxas. Show with your host eric. Metaxas it folks. Welcome to the program. This is the eric metaxas show alvin. Yes sir we had dinner last night now. Okay first of all. Today's the day of the cans our one Can fish sharing what happened in kansas city. Recently who was pretty crazy really crazy. And i posted on my twitter The the the sermon preached by my new friend francis chan on saturday night. This was amazing stuff. And i want everybody listening to be able to to get this. This was just powerful stuff so again. Go to our website eric. Metaxas dot com up for newsletter. Wolf will email all these videos to you but last night Before we we've just got a bunch of stuff to actually okay. Before i mentioned what we did last night. Let me just mention tomorrow. Belen beatty is on the program. Oh yes oh my get ready. She says stuff. No one else will say. That's true. And i just love her. She is the best babylon betty tomorrow on the program. Friday pat boone. Ladies and gentlemen boy pat boone. I wanna talk about the rock and roll hall of fame and why they have not had him in the totally transformed rock and roll. That's bs and they. They have landed gonna tell his don rickles storyteller down richards really funny so you got in on from but And i'm going to be in bangor maine this weekend. We're going to be in tampa teepee usa a turning point. Monday tuesday birmingham alabama but can Sorry allen last night we had dinner with our friends from nutri-metics neutra medics dot com. We know everybody knows. Mike lindell and my pillow and my store dot com. Use the code. Eric a major sponsor of the program. And by the way you can buy most of my books at my store dot com. Use the code eric. I recommend that highly but our other sponsor is neutral we We had dinner with tim eaten. Who's the ceo. He's a huge guy. He's three years older than me. But i think he's twenty years old and me because he's a giant guy you know. He's losing his hair. 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I wanna get another in t. Is what i want to get right. You wanna kick that and t to the curb. Who declined a guy with answer right so then. Tim said no no. It's probably to one of two things could be. It could be a virus and we have something at at neutral medics. That may may help in in that area or we have. There's a woman down in jupiter florida. Who does like a massage kind of therapy because it could be tightness or stiffening in the neck that so he already jumped right on it and then you ask them about hair loss and he said something about. He's they're working on something along those lines. I said i don't want to end up. I'm starting to thin. And i don't want to end up looking like album. Helped me brother helped me. What could you help me please. And he said eric We may have some stuff that could help you. We were working on that. He said you know what's funny though. Is that when you get to know this. Is tim eaten. He's the guy behind and we've had on the program. We will have him on the program again this week because we got into a deeper conversation. But it's so fascinating because he's really humble spoken guy but oh my gosh. He knows so much about what they call nutro-ceuticals and at the time that he and his wife spent in peru getting to know what some of the natives use these extracts and things and listen western medicine when you go to them and say hey. I've got a problem with tonight as they say. Get a white noise machine. That's their answer. I already got white noise in my head. Novo seriously there are alternative ways and sometimes western medicine can be really skeptical of an and that's some of that is good but a lot of that is very bad and i just wanna say that talking to him and finding out how neutral medic scott started and his and how deep they listen. They are doing peer reviewed studies and they're being written up in journals and he said that on this program we can't even mention the journals because the f. 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And and i thought why would they do that. That's where we are folks. So i'm asking you personally please. If you can pre-order it. You're doing me a big favor. You do in the book a favor because this book i really think it's gonna reach people various ways off you want to go to iraq metaxas dot com preorder the book as soon as you can. We need your help for your help. I'm grateful for your help It's just a delight have audience. That cares about the same things we do. So folks we are. We've gotta save cans. Can fish can harrison promise keepers. Don't go away. Hey folks. I've got to tell you a secret about relief factor that the father son owners pete and taliban have never made a big deal about but i think it is a big deal. I i really do. They sell the three week. Quick start pack for just nineteen ninety-five to anyone struggling from pain like neck shoulder back hip or knee. Pain nineteen ninety-five about a dollar a day. 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That's eight six six four seven three six zero four folks remember promise keepers remember. Yeah well not long ago. Maybe a year ago. You're gonna go. I had dinner with a friend. Who said i want to introduce you to the new person behind promise keepers. They're kind of doing a reboot. And i thought really. Wow interesting well. At the end of that dinner. I was so excited. I said i cannot possibly wait until this happens because ken harrison Who is my guest right now. Maybe understand that he gets it. He understands where we are in the culture and he understands what promise keepers can be right now. Ken welcome back. It's don't have stakes in front of us. I'm still enjoying the conversation. I cannot believe that this is happening in a few days to just tell my audience because this is when i met you i got so excited because i understood because i got you thought. Wow you you understand what you have in your hands. This is a huge thing that got us entrusted you with for such a time as this to use the cliche which is exactly correct. What is happening in a few days right here. This is the real stadium behind me. Okay behind you for people to see this video. You can't see it on video. That's because he didn't go to eric. Metaxas dot com and subscribe to a newsletter folks. What do i need to say. Okay i can see the stadium. I was just there a few weeks ago in the stadium and this is huge. This is eighty thousand men on the sixteenth and seventeenth of this month. That's in a couple of days. Man i cannot get over this. So what's the vision. Yeah we did. A virtual event last year because of covid we had one point two million men in eighty four countries. Watch that event and this time we'll have the stadium with guys in it but will also have i think over five hundred different simulcasts locations. All world signed up liberia Last week we sign sierra leone. I don't even know where these places are. Eric you're smarter than me. You probably do but we're there in africa. That's as far as i can take. I think north wore west. It's so yeah so what we realize. Is that the win. When men are screwed up women and children suffer and so people say and i've been attacked man more from the right from the left from both sides. You know the left has been calling for my death. You know for all this sweet but they they're calling for your death in love. Can you need to appreciate the heart. Look at their hearts. Look way before you get into that whole thing. I wanna say this. And i say this to you and to anybody. Who's doing this kind of thing. Do not take criticism seriously enough to respond very much. You dignify when you mentioned an article in this paper or that paper. These are nobodies who have nothing to write about. They don't know anything about who you are. What promise keepers is what it is to be a christian man with the scripture says so they're just writing out of out of hatred they're not really journalists and i think sometimes we dignify that too much so of course i remember you know. Twenty five years ago. How promise keepers. Who's being attacked in the media and it was it was preposterous. Then of course it's an infinitely more preposterous now. There is just no question in my mind that what promise keepers always was and is now is spectacular. And if you care about women and children you just set it. There is nothing better than promise keeper so people who want to attack it. I honestly for the sake of the women and the children i would blow off those criticisms. It's not worth dignifying. Yes twenty Were gonna go as my system walk in with this list of we gotta find where this guy is. We gotta kill him and she says. Aren't you worried. unlike gina. These are a bunch of guys in their boxer shorts screaming mom meatloaf. These aren't real people. I'm from the right. It's been disheartening. Because people are like. Why are you calling together just men. Don't you know that's unpopular right. Now hey hell but don't use those words but you have to understand that their their voices out there they are. Just they're they're not. There's no wisdom in it. And i just think i. I'm sorry you have to go through that but i'm glad that you're going through because i know you're the kind of person who can take this. You understand you look at it from biblical point of view but can you imagine. I mean people. Criticizing men gathering like isn't just. It's just amazing. Christians doing me want you. Wait till it's more popular i don't know. Did jesus tell us to wait until things were popularity. He tell us to go out and make disciples of all men and promise we would be hated if we were about his business. Look everybody knows. Jesus was a big sexist. He had twelve men around him. What is all about clearly. Jesus doesn't care about women and we're just following his lead right. Yeah there you go. We've solved the problem. We have to do is calm and back to their identity in christ and start to teach them how to think again because they've been so brainwashed into apathy by not only the world but by much of the institutional church. We've taught men sit down. Shut up in the inupiat. Come back next week and do it again. That's not the gospel. The gospel is not come. And see the gospels go intel. We're supposed to be about our fathers work in action and so as we call them together in the stadium back here. We're going to have worshipped like you can't believe in. You know what that's like. But i've had guys in tears. Tell me that feeling of tens of thousands of men singing amazing grace is a power that i've never been able to recreate since promise promise keepers. Want away or we're going to do that again. It's a beautiful vision. Can i just want anything. I can ever do to to help you beyond having you on this program. I just want you to know that the time that i spent with you whatever was right before covid year and a half or so but i i just thought we need this. So much in our culture and listen to be fair to these critics. Many of them they don't know what godly manhood looks like. They have seen the fallen version. They have seen men's clubs that exclude women for all the wrong reasons. Not so that men can be better husbands and fathers but so that they can step away from being husbands and fathers and be boys behave poorly so that is out there and we want to at least say that we understand that when men have behaved that way we condemn it. It's the whole reason promise keepers is doing what it's doing is to take out of that world and to say we all need to to step forward together in what god has called us to do to be the servant leaders in our homes To serve our our wives and kids. I mean that's a big thing but we can't expect the world quote unquote to understand that. And so i think we just have to do our best to ignore them or if they really have ears to hear to try to help them to understand what we're doing but you know you've just got to know that Many of them are. They're not interested in understanding what this is about. They're just interested in sniping. And i think well let them snipe. Start off my career as you know as cop so i'm used to being hated for doing what's right and this is nothing new but people ask me all time. What is a man. How do you know what a man is well. The ultimate man is jesus. Christ who is jesus. Jesus was somebody who was tortured to death for his bride the church. Who are we as men were. We are men who courageously stand for protect our families to the point of dying for families. This is not about chauvinism. Lording it over. It's about being christ which is serving even in the bible says jesus comes back those who are co heirs with him. Who endured to the. He's going to serve them when he returns. That should be our our attitudes leaders as men serving our family. Serving wise has a remarkable effect on marriage when a man has an attitude of utmost courage and most cherishing of his wife and loving kids. Coach mccartney started promise keepers. You still say the best thing a man can do for his kids. Love their mother. I think that says i mean you think you think about that. And i want to say to the critics. They've never seen that kind of manhood Many of them didn't have fathers like that. Many people that are they're bitter angry. They had abusive situations and so we need to understand that they literally don't know what they're talking about. They're responding of a wound and anger. And jesus didn't ask permission when he died for us he didn't say hey bride would it be okay with you would offend you. If i died for you he just did it and he says i'm going to do what is right and i'm not gonna when we do what is right. They're always going to be people say well. I didn't ask you to do that for me. I didn't ask you to lead self-sacrificial. I didn't ask you. I don't need you well. If it's your job just do it. God has commanded us to lay down our lives for others especially for our wives and families. And so i just want to be You know. I just want to say it means everything to me can that you're rebooting this amazing organization and that you're doing this in dallas in a couple of days now for people I assume that there's no more seats or are there people are there. Are there some seats if people wanna wanna get in or see it. It'd be part of it. There are seats. You promise keepers dot org and i would say to. This isn't about money Fact we're we're paying a fortune to make this all about the tickets. Sales will never cover the cost of this so we don't anybody want anybody not to be able to come because they can't afford it so if you can't afford it get a hold of us through a website and we'll give you free tickets. We have given out over ten thousand scholarship tickets to the underprivileged. We've been all over south dallas working with pastors Of race to make sure that those who can't afford can come. We've been to oklahoma city. We've got busloads coming from oklahoma city coming up from houston and san antonio from shreveport louisiana real quick. And we'll be back what's the website promise keepers dot org ladies and gentlemen. This is going to be historic if you can get to dallas july sixteenth and seventeenth and a couple of days. My goodness folks do not miss this. We'll be right back folks talking to the head of promise keepers can harrison welcome. I gotta ask you He you you took this on Some years ago. You said we're going to bring promise keepers back. I was thrilled to hear it. But to no you personally and to hear your vision where you're coming from. You really get this in a way. That i was i. I was surprised in the sense. That i just Anytime somebody like rises to where you are in this to really understand it and understand. We're in a really different place. Twenty five years later We've got as you say you know men wearing dresses and confused people on a level that we've never seen before so we need to. We need to pray for those people and really to offer them help. You can't force help on people but you can offer them help. You say hey. This is god's idea of manhood and he loves you and died for you. And if you're interested in that were here to help that's to me. A huge part of what promise keepers is today. Eric i respect your mind a lot of red. Also your books. I love what you have to say. And you you nailed it perfectly in the last segment. We see so much hatred and vitriol poured out towards us. Some who are we. We're just a bunch of guys who want to worship. Jesus will where's that coming from. It's coming from people who were deeply wounded were putting on the stereotypes and the hurt from their past onto us simply because we're father figures and so. How do we respond. We respond in love and truth and we endure through that. And so we don't get angry or patient in our Hurts hurt with those people who are trying to hurt us. Because we realise such illogical hatred doesn't come from nowhere. It came from deep wound that they have in the only healing for that wounded. Christ is not logic. It's not the republican already. That's right being arguer than them. It is saying whatever you have if you would let go of that. Bitterness and that hate and repent jesus will come in and fill in in hilo wounds. That's what we need to be about as men. So i just got done meeting with my whole bodyguard team down there because we have so many death threats for me trying to get from this hotel over to that stadium. It's insane. I've got the swat team from the arlington police. Ready to defend me. Who am i. I'm just a guy that wants to tell people about. Jesus it's an amazing. But this is where i mean. There's something healthy in this and clarifying that. When i mean 'cause look we have to be clear. This is not a sociological or psychiatric battle is a spiritual battle and there are forces dark spiritual forces that despise god and anything that comes from him so a biblical idea of what it is to be a man to be strong for others to be a strong man who does not serve himself. But says i'm gonna use my strength to lay down my life for you whether it's my wife or my kids or anybody. That's god's idea of strength ultimate self-sacrificial agape love to lay down my life. It's so beautiful and so powerful and so yes. The enemy is threatened and anybody who has made a space for him in their lives through their wounded nece We'll get angry and stuff. So i would say this is your over. The target god is doing this. And the more victories the more nastiness the more you know they're going to be healings. Lives are going to be changed. Ken are going to be changed. On the sixteenth two days from now and three days from now in dallas right behind you lives and families are going to be changed for ever. It doesn't get better than that can. It doesn't get better than that. That jesus in our time i mean i just. I'm so thrilled that you're doing this and i'm thrilled. There are seats. Because i was thinking like i know people in the area who might not know about this so promise keepers dot org and they can make you'd tickets so we'll say what will happen on the day. Sorry say whatever. You want to say. God friday night. Six thirty nine thirty. We're gonna have It'll be closed by nick. Boy jack who is the guy with no arms no legs who was suicidal. As a late teen he was born that way who then got saved a rate evangelists. He's gonna give an invitation. An altar call new talk about a powerful witness. We've got jonathan evans. Got colin when your new york compatriots there. And i love carter conlon times square church. Oh my goodness richardson. The whole world. We got general. Jerry so we have an all star cast. We also have a hall of fame. football hall of fame panel is going to get there with Tim brown charles. Haley and michael irvin being led by chad. Hennings your friend and mine. I know chad hennings just because From the new and society and the wingmen there and fort worth and grapevine. And whatever. And i've had the privilege of meeting some of these folks but i know he's in he's in that area so i'm so glad he'll be with you on that stage one of the things that you're hearing that you know that maybe some of your audience knows. Is that what you're hearing are serious. Bible teachers and people came to me when i started promise keepers in ken. You know you have to have a plan for the young people you have to have this and that and the other i said you know. Here's my plan for the young people. We're going to preach order got. We're not gonna do skinny jeans and fog. Machines others and fog machines using can't use fog machines the head i'm saying not through me. He can't but i think the young people looking for father figures you know so you and i are similar age when we were kids. Can you imagine if you'd have gone to church in night in the nineteen eighties and the pastor was wearing parachute pants in an iron maiden teacher. 'cause he was trying to be like you you thought he was a clown and today we have so many fifty something year olds trying to act like twenty year olds to attract them. I don't wanna be like them telling me i should not get the tat. I was awesome. Tat's on these big guns. I've been working on all right. We're out of time. We're going to be back final segment with ken. Harrison folks promise keepers dot org. You need to know about promise keepers boy. Oh boy Look them up. We'll be right back. folks. I'm talking to the head of promise keepers can harrison promise keepers dot or kenneth the heart of this. I wrote a book a few years ago. Called seven men and the secret of their greatness sequel called seven more men and the secret of their greatness. Why because i sensed that in our generation there is huge confusion about what it is to be a man. in god's idea of what it is to be a man so being man is not about being tough guy. It's about being a strong man who uses his strength for others. That's the gop. A love of jesus and that idea has fallen on hard times in the culture so when you see strongmen people say this toxic masculinity because they've seen so much broken they associate strength not with protection and love but with abuse or whatever it is and that's kind of the culture has kind of You know baked a cake out of that. They really are focused on that idea. And god's idea and there people that just they. They don't believe god's idea they think it's it's baloney they just don't think they're any men like us who really care about women at were children. They were about ourselves now. You know we can't convince them but we can live differently and to me that's a promise keepers is. It's about helping men to live differently so that the people in their lives at least see that difference and see god through them so to me. It's just the most beautiful idea. And it's a cultural moment because we particularly need this now in the culture so i just want behalf of my audience to say. Thank you to you for stepping up and doing this. 'cause lives are going to be changed and i i. There's just no way to know. Think about the families that are going to be touched. Because i remember you know in the nineties when promise keepers was going on people's lives changed men came to god and their lives have been different for twenty five years so it's It's just beautiful. I'm so excited that this is finally happening in dallas stadium. And we're going to be pretty bold one of the things. The promise keepers did not do in the nineties that we're doing now is stand for life so we are adamantly antiabortion pro-life which promise keepers wasn't and i said if you can i tell men to be men be courage courageous if they're not doing anything about the one and a half million babies being murdered in the womb right now but part of the way that we fight that is by getting mended. Stand up to the responsibilities and take responsibility for the baby. They conceived because the majority of women say they had an abortion because the man took off being. Leon man say that again because very few people know this. This is the key. Please say that they're true. The actual Surveys that have been done. Fifty five percent of women and i suspect it's much higher. Say they had an abortion because the man who fathered that baby left. Okay so men are the ones that from abortions and my wife who's been working in that world for quite a while she has told me over and over that the statistics show that if a woman is has an unplanned pregnancy if anyone and especially the man will step up and say i will walk with you through this time to have this child. I will help you. everything changes. The media doesn't cover that they don't cover that and they keep portraying it as this beautiful wonderful thing for a woman to kill her baby and to ruin her life. But you can't talk about the wounding because you're supposed to celebrate this. That harms women folks. It harms women. Men get off scot-free they walk away and the fact that you guys are dealing with this promise keepers. That's good news. That is thrilling. We're not going to shy away from these issues. We gotta get that. The other thing is we will take on racial reconciliation from a biblical worldview. Everything starts with repentance of sin on the grace of jesus you know what is what is racism ultimately. It's just image spiritual immaturity to look down on anybody for any reason. Class education race denomination. It's all spiritual immaturity or taken that onto. Because i've seen the results of this when i was a cop in south central los angeles we had ninety. Five percent of the people. Were really good. People's is compton watts. For for new yorkers don't know but the really really high crime area these were ninety five percent of good people that were held hostage by five percent of what fatherless boys a macho attitude boys never learned self control it was all about violence and sexual promiscuity and that culture is now spreading like a virus across america. We need to bring fathers back to teach their sons self control respect for women and but that's all sort of symptom the core getting right back to it since the great jesus being filled the holy spirit. Those are the things that changed people from the inside out. So we're gonna tell men you are not a lustful creature that can help yourself. You're a guy living in your flesh and when you start to live in the spirit those things change from the inside out so we're not gonna tell you. Hey try really hard to be a better guy. Try really hard not to lust after women are try really hard not to look at pornography or going to tell men you need to change from the inside. I was talking to a famous Spiritual leader who tell me. Can you gotta stop telling guys to repent of pornography to stop looking at it. They need counseling. They need a whole process. And he lectured me for a while. And i said so. You're telling me that. What i shouldn't say is if you're i causes you to stumble cut it out of your head. It's better to them with one item and with too. 'cause that's what jesus said i'll how about if i go with what jesus said in you preach your little stuff doesn't mean guys don't necessarily need counseling. Jesus said repent. And i'll change you from the inside out. Jesus didn't say go find counselor. That's the kind of humble but direct talk. We're going to have man-to-man in the stadium in a few days. And so i'd say by the way in the nineties. Forty five percent of the tickets sold the promise keepers result of women descend their husbands and their sons ladies. Get your husband's there. Tell them the best thing you can do for our marriage. At and t. stadium because we're going to run up some real talk with your that see. That is a fact. I know that and i and i know men whose lives were changed. Their families were blessed. Their wives were blessed. So you have to be careful. I really say to anybody listening yesterday. Careful not to give a ear to these detractors. In a funny way that is the enemy using that situation to distract us. Just blow it off. That's like you try. You know it's like to you're trying to put out a fire and save lives and somebody says hey you know i. I don't like something about you are. You're not listening to them. You are on a mission from god to save lives to help people to risk your life to bless others so we can't listen to these detractors. I'm look i'm just so proud of you can glad to know you thrilled. This is finally happening. July sixteenth and seventeenth. That's this friday and saturday. At and t. Stadium if you can get there folks please go to promise keepers dot. Org check it out. Ken god bless you love axis man the best. Hey there folks. What a day album has pointed out utterly unnecessary and yet i appreciate it that this is a day of qin's ken fish in harrison. Wow what are the odds. Yeah that's gotta work day of cans. Okay so we got a couple of things whether this is first hour second hour just keep in mind skinny jeans and flying in fog machines and pieces on the ground. That's something you have to remember for today. Is it really okay. This is actually something you really really do. Have to keep in mind We'll talk about this Later but this week only focus this week only neutral medics dot com is offering thirty percent off. When you use the code eric. Not twenty percent off. Which is the usual wapping discount. Twenty percent no. They said because we were cancelled from youtube. They wanted to help us out thirty percent this week. Only take advantage of this. If you're thinking of trying anything try it now. It's thirty percent off now. Tremendous dot com. I also want to say that Because we were cancelled by youtube. You know we're living in strange times. And i've talked about this. I talked about it. When i was at i hop in kansas city recently and i encourage you. Watch those videos if you go to eric metaxas dot com and sign up for a newsletter folks. I'm not gonna stop begging you because you have no idea you're missing amazing interviews and videos and stuff. Were not on youtube. So you got to but i talked about this. That people in the church are canceling me. I'm not gonna mention the name but gigantic christian retailer to all the independent christian bookstores has said that they are going to not carry my new book. Is atheism dead now than is atheism dead. It's pure apologetic. It's evangelism they're not going to carry that because i'm too controversial. My statements about our forty fifth president. Something like that. They are jumping in bed with the marxist cancel culture and cancelling this book and i thought this is hard for me to believe this is like an overtly christian bookstore chain kind of thing again. I'm not going to give the name until i know. This is one hundred percent official. But i it just breaks my heart. That people who are overtly christian are doing things like this. So i'm asking you if you're able to do this folks because we're going to need your help. This is a weird battle. Please preorder is atheism. Dead they'll give you the best price between now and when you actually get shipped the book so you won't get charged until october but if you pre order it it helps a lot We're in a strange battle. There is nothing political or controversial about what is in the book. Is atheism dead. But this chain. And i will be mentioning them if they if they have decided to go through with this. I think they have. But it's going to be devastating for journalism essay. The same thing. I wrote this down on the train on the way and i said we're supposed to wash feats not lick boots and i think that's what's happened to the church a lot today. Wow well that's that's kind of. Yeah the in other words. You think there are scared of something and so they just pull mexico anything controversial. We're gonna step away and step away from what from a book. I mean again. It's atheism dead. It's gone it's looking into proof of god proof of the the veracity of scripture and biblical archaeology and then it looks into and i thought to myself this is this is meant to be a blessing to believers and non-believers to say. Let's let's reason together. So when i heard that i almost couldn't believe my publisher and i were just stunned that we are at that point. So i'm asking you. I will name the name of this and if they go through with this. I'm really gonna go after them They better get ready. This is this is really bad when this has come into the church So the book is theism dead. And you go to my website eric. Taxes dot com. Go to books and you can pre-order it there. But i'm asking you we need your help We need your help so please do that. go to air conducted. And while you're there sign up for the newsletter. Sign up your friends of the newsletter because we want to share all this stuff with you because of all. These cancellations has become really difficult. So god bless you when we come back. We've got way more information on all kinds of stuff stick around.

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Happy Hour #422: Jeannie Cunnion

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I call her my friend even though we've never met in real life but we have so many mutual friends and i adored her so much. She is a book that came out this year called. Don't miss out daring to believe life is better with the holy spirit and that's what we talked about. Today we talk about the holy spirit. We talk about his role in our life. How he's working when we don't even know it we're talking about trusting him trusting his character you talk about who he is what he does and why the holy spirit matters in our life. We also talk about parenting and mothering and wanting to make great memories with our kids and our kids so this conversation hits all of my favorite things in the world talking. About god's we're talking about mothering. Talk about how to be a good friend guys. I want to remind you that. My kids book. God made you to be. You is available for preorder right now. It launches in about a month. But right now you can pre-order it wherever you get books and when you pre ordered the book we have some great fun things to give you go to jamie dot com slash kids for all the information again. It's jamie ivy dot com slash kids. The book is god made you you. There's an adorable cactus named sammy. Who goes on a journey of really truly believing that he matters that god made him with a purpose. And i think this is a book that is going to help your kids understand the love of god house for them and that he made them on purpose with the reason that they matter right where they are. I love this kid's book so much and it's an overflow of my heart for my book. I released last year for adults called. Ub you so. Check that out wherever you get books jamie. Iv dot com slash kids for my new book. God made you to be. You aren't friends. Here's my conversation with genie kenyan. Welcome to the happy hour. Thank you jamie. I'm happy to be with you. I am so happy that you're here. I was telling you before we started recording about how many mutual friends that we both have. and so. it's really fun when this works out for me to meet a new friend. That is such good friends with some of my other friends and so this is great. And i'm so happy you're on the day. I'm so happy to be here. Well introduce yourself all of listeners. My name is jeanie kenyon. I am a mama to five boys. I am the author speaker an adoption social worker actually by training i kind of stumbled into the writing and speaking world never imagined myself here and now i can't imagine doing anything else but started off in adoption in social work and i'm so glad to be with you today. I'm so excited about what we're gonna talk about today. And it's definitely changed my life as somebody who was raised as a preacher's kid. Somebody who's been following jesus for since i was eight years old and just in the past couple of years really coming to discover what i was missing out on and i never would have said i was missing out so it's been a phenomenal last couple of years and i'm really excited to talk about it today. We'll i'm excited about talking about as well. I wanna say that the other day. I was looking at your instagram and i didn't realize that you had a son from haiti and i was like i do like to report in haiti it so that is exciting and he is in college and my right about that. He is so he just wanted our family two years ago because he grew up at the nita's children's orphanage in haiti and they actually don't place for option but we were allowed to welcome him into our family after he graduated from high school to come to the states and be with us and go to college so he just finished two years of community college and he is going to start at lips. Come in nashville in the fall. So eight now or so. Proud of his dream is to become a pastor and so he's kind of been checking the boxes at community college us to get to be able to start taking classes. That really matter. I'm actually really jealous of his in the foul like i want to go to class with him because i wanna go to seminary city as all these amazing classes in the fall where he can finally start pursuing his dream to become pastor names andre and he's just such a gift our family so i love that so much. So is this your first official sending a kid off into the world. I mean up right now it is it is our next in line is sixteen. He's a rising junior. So this is the first time we're sending a kid to college and i feel like andre. It's he got here and how he's already leaving but as you know better than i do. They're home more than they're at college. Sometimes you know like we're going to send him off in two weeks but then he'll be home late. I love you know. It's funny because i've said often. We are entering in to our oldest senior year in high school. And so we're like everything feels like the last time. I i got that thing in my throat right now where i thought i was going to her crying yes. I think i'm just going to do that all year. And i think about it. And i've said so many times in the last couple of years and i don't know if you've experienced with andre and if you're starting to see with your older son i adore and love all of my kids so much but something happened in the last two years their oldest where other always tell my kids. I'm not your friend. I'm your mom but something that did happen. And the last two years where i look at this child and thank you want to go hang out like i like you so much and now you're going to leave me and it just feels so crazy that god gives us kids to parent and raise and while it's a wonderful job. It is hard a lot and it sometimes not fun just to be honest. And then i'm adoring this guy. And then he's going to graduate in the craziest thing. What does it been like for you. It's felt very much that way. I mean the irony is we still have a five year old. So so i'm grieving people growing up leaving but i'm also still like setting a kindergarten a month but no at dive resonate with a lot and i feel like it's almost like you're watching what you knew god's stored in your child like you've seen it you've seen it in them for years. And now you're watching it come to fruition. You're watching them realized will god historian them in. That's such a beautiful thing to witness. And so yeah. I resonate with that and i was asked to answer some questions before we talked in one of the ones was kind of. What's a priority for you right now for me. It's very much about creating memory making trips. That's at the top of my list right now. I want to go because we have five boys. I wanna go on adventure trip. I wanna make memories. Because i can see them starting to lead one by one i can see them taking off in recognizing that things are going to start to change and they're going to start to look different really soon right i am like i don't know what's wrong with me over here about just start volley losing my mind ever here because i literally. I need a moment collector myself. I hope and pray that this year is not like this every day for me and i don't think it is going to be honest. I'm so excited for my kid. That's graduating but areas. This reality of this happening and i love. We talked about making these trips and in back when we're recording this in early august my family and just a few days ago on our family vacation and i think through that as well as i do these things you know. When you're raising kids there. Is this kind of feeling of like this. Is the last summer before my chuckers goes off to college. Is we have three more with this kid to more. And i don't like looking at life that way but it does make you think. How do we make great memories. And so tell us about that. Like i love that priority of yours but what does that look like practically. What are you doing with your boys. I think i'm just trying to be much more intentional. I think i'm prone to not be present like that's something has to be very focused on like i'm physically president but am i mentally present an emotional. I'm not. I'm always thinking about other things to be very intentional about that. So just in our home on a daily basis just being present to the things that don't seem significant and my husband he's really good about this whenever there's disconnection or a lack of connection. Yeah luck connection the kids. He always reminds me janey going date. Just go on a date like we've known that forever but when you have so many in life gets busy you forget that it's the simplest thing we can do is just hey andre. Can we go to lunch today at all this week. I've taken each. In fact i started at the beginning of the week with my son. Calvin sixteen we get mckearney goes. Hey mom what's this about. And i was like i just wanna spend to increase. Because you said you're going to take each one of us on this week and i was like i know he's so are you like an announcement. Is there something coming. And i was like no i just. We haven't done this. It's been summer. Were out of routine. And i just i want time with you so just on a daily basis. Those kinds of things have been really. And i know you do that. I just because i see on its i that you guys are really intentional about that value that and then for us making trips like our boys delayed adventure so like i want to. We're supposed to go last summer to the grand canyon and we didn't make it and so i still want to do that trip my want to take them to a ranch like durant and i want to do all the things. I wanna go whitewater rafting and horseback riding. And then what i really really want to do is take them to israel. And i don't know we'll be able to squeeze that in before kao graduates. But i'm thinking it'll be my fiftieth birthday present. Because i grew up going to israel my parents lead tourists through israel and my family has never been and it was one of the most. If not the most profound trip i've ever taken so i'm really hopeful that we can help our boys because they're all at an age now where they know the stories well enough that go like i can barely remember last week. Jamie literally like if people ask me. If i've seen a movie i asked my husband. I'm like honey. Have i seen that movie. This is my life is well. this is my life. Yes yeah. Usc i'm like i don't know if i've eaten there. Let me ask mike. But i can remember israel bitterly. I can remember being in the dead sea. I can remember being in the to my. I have such vivid memories. It changed me profoundly even at a young age and so that's another trip. I'm really. I mean it's it would be an expensive trip but i think it would be worth it. So maybe that's my. Maybe that's my big birthday present. I don't know but it should. They present i love it. Yes we're going. my husband. Earning are going to israel in october and be both of our first time and so super excited. I'm just like hoping everyday i mean. You hold everything real loose right now travel and so just hoping that. That still happens and i'm so excited about it one thing. We do with our kids about making memories. when they turned thirteen. They go on a trip with either dad or mom depending wear girl. Yeah so. Aaron has taken. The boys on trips stories got interrupted with with cove it. But we're still getting that on the calendar and then this is what we're about to start doing and this is where i'm like. I'm gonna need to save some pennies here but each kid when they graduate and they're eighteen they get to go anywhere in the country with anywhere in the world with mom and dad and so my son graduates next year and he wants to go to japan and so we'll see what the world is like and we may be heading to japan. The three of us. And i look forward to that almost that mom and dad and kid you're about to go into the world. That's the last couple of weeks together and i'm excited about that. You know and i love that idea got ya. Let's do that. I'm going to borrow that one. Please do please do well. I love hearing parenting stuff. And it's funny. Not because i think any of us are like amazing parents. I think we're all just doing the best that we possibly can with loving our kids. But i wanna talk about your newest book. Alright jeannie okay. Don't miss out and you wrote a book all about the holy spirit which let's be honest here is that depending on even what kind of denomination you grew up in. What's your family. Situation was like even saying the holy spirit people automatically have just this wide array of ideas and thoughts about that. So i wanna hear from you. What led you here. Because i know people write books because of their own experience and journey. And it's a wet led you here to this. Never gonna dive into some of the things that you learn throughout this well to your point. I opened one of the chapters. By saying i could have just as easily named this book how to lose friends in not make new one because or this is a book. You read on an airplane if you don't want the person next to you to talk to you because it is controversial in it is layered ended. There's so many misconceptions about the holy spirit. There's so much misunderstanding because of the abuse. That's been done in his name. That's not of him. And so i never in a million years thought i would write a book about the holy spirit. As i said earlier. I stumbled into writing so i didn't know if i'd write a second book and after my second book i honestly said that might be my last buck like maybe the lawmaker back to adoption social work and then a couple years ago. I was praying a very simple prayer and it was just lord. I want all of you i want all of you and i don't mean that in blessing or gifts i i just want him. I'm just so hungry for you at in it becomes out of a very real knowledge of how badly i need him. Like when you say none of us are amazing parents. Like if anything motherhood is revealed my weaknesses. it has revealed my need for jesus at his revealed. My need for the holy spirit and so just a simple prayer. Just want all of you. Whatever that looks like lord. I just want more of you and very soon thereafter. The only way on one hundred describe it as i became curious about the holy spirit like i was suddenly just curious about him and and to be truthful. I hadn't paid a whole lot of attention to him. Even though i was raised as a preacher's kid in a presbyterian church also happened to be a charismatic church. I really kind of put the holy spirit in his spiritual gifts box. Like that's like a some people have. Okay okay got it. yeah like. He's for spiritual gifts in our lives. That's kind of his primary role and totally realize all of the other distinct functions that he has in our lives in. So as i pray that and then i just became curious. I began to see his name in scripture. In places where i just kind of perused over it before and really started to wrestle with the question. I know that i'm -sposed to live in the power of the holy spirit but. Do i actually know how to do that. Do i know how to live in the power of the holy spirit and it was really clear to me that i didn't like. What does it mean to grieve him. What does it mean to quench him. And so one of the first things i did is i call my mom and my dad and i said what are your favorite books about the holy spirit and my mom gave me a couple of recommendations. They were all amazing. Kathryn marshall and francis chan and billy. Graham and i devour them and she said but i'm just curious what's making you want to study the holy spirit my laugh and i said i think it's the holy spirit and really i realized this was was was going to re introduce me. That's what he did. He re introduced me to the holy spirit is what he does and why it matters so much and i just became insatiably curious. And i remember my dad saying gene. Just start in john. Chapter fourteen rate fourteen through sixteen rate. It slowly look for what jesus said about the person of the holy spirit start there. And i was so i remember where i'm sitting in my office when i read john chapter. Sixteen and you get to the part. Where jesus is preparing his disciples for his ascension and he says to them. It is better for you. That i returned to the father so that the holy spirit will come and that just stopped me right there like how did i have not realized that all these years following jesus that jesus himself said it is better for you that i leave so bad the holy spirit will come and other translations at reads it is for your benefit it is to your advantage it so i wanted to answer the question. Why is it better for me. Why is it to my advantage. Because i responded a lot like the disciples did in that story right scripture says. They were filled with sorrow. And i think a lot of us feel that way like we say jesus we don't want quote unquote just your spirit. We want you. We want you jesus. And as he went on to explain to them but the holy spirit is me. It's the spirit of god. It's a spirit of christ and and you're no longer going to be dependant on my physical presence because now if i returned to the father i can take up residence inside of you. I will live in you and i will give you every thing you need to live out the gospel into spread the gospel. And so that's really where it started for meals at. Why is it better. Why is it to my benefit clearly missing. Something and i'll be really honest jimmy. It's one of those things where something starts to change you so profoundly so quickly that was like whoa. Hold up toward. I know what you're doing. Yeah you're gonna lead me to write a book about this. And i'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna wanna do that. Because i'm not qualified. I'm not billy grammer. Francis chan or kathryn marshall and and it's too complicated. It's two layered. And i remember. I think it was billy graham's buck. If you read the introduction he talks about how he didn't wanna write a book about the holy spirit because he didn't feel qualified and i was like all right. Well billy graham bill qualified. None of us are qualified. So i might as well go ahead and do it because i do know the local. Teach me what. I need to know so it was just incredible. Two years honestly studying the holy spirit welcoming the holy spirit to get in my business and i knew that that was going to hurt a little bit because i knew there are pieces of my life that i hadn't fully surrendered to him that he was going to need to work on. And and so. I knew that was going to hurt a little bit and the most beautiful way right these are. This is good pain but he brought some conviction areas in my life that needed convicting while i wrote and it became the book. I couldn't not right. I couldn't not write it. Because i was talking to women that do light with who also love jesus and follow jesus and they felt the same way i did. I mean i know the holy. I mean i believe in the holy spirit i affirm the holy spirit. I believe in trinity. I recite the seven words in the power of the holy spirit. But i don't know that. I too much life with the holy spirit. I don't know all that he is meant to do in my life. And so as i discovered the things i i knew i had to write them down and share on that i at that you know it might be my husband and my mom that by this book because i really thought who wants to buy a book only about the holy spirit and what i couldn't have seen two and a half for three years ago is the revival that was coming the curiosity that would be growing amongst so many christians where we just. We realized that we need him. We cannot do this without him. We need him for power. We need him for unity. We need him for to spread the gospel. And so i'm just really grateful that he gave me the ability to trust that he would equip me in the writing of this book and it changed me profoundly and so it's been so encouraging to it's been out for a couple months and it just makes so encouraging people are saying it's really readable but it's also really rich and that's what i hoped it would be because this is the thing and jamie you know the so. He's so mysterious. The holy spirit is so mysterious and yet he is so made known There are so many things about him there so beautifully made known in scripture. That i was missing out on i was totally missing out on and so i don't wanna miss out more and i don't want anybody else to miss out. It's one of those things where i think when we hear the word. Don't miss out like you associated with foam. Oh yuck it's something you have to be invited to or it's something you have to chase down or or figure out and i think the beautiful thing about this invitation. Is that imitation is. Don't miss out on what's already yours like. You don't have to get invited. You don't have to go figure out how to be part of something like if you have put your trust in. Jesus has put his precious spirit in you. It's already bear so don't miss out on. Who got his already. Given you the benefits already given to you in christ. That's the invitation and it is a beautiful imitation. And i love that you explain that. Don't miss out as and this is something that is already. There's for taking you know. Yeah we're talking about parenting earlier. And i can't help. I think there's so many things that my kids have. Just because they're my kids like it's they don't have to be invited into our family or into our moments because they are ivy's like they are here they get all of this all of it and that's how it is with us and the father and jesus and the spirit as well you guys. Have you ever wondered what the secret is to feeling lighter. 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I believe in that as well. But i don't know who the holy spirit is. Yeah well obviously he is. God he is god the holy spirit but i think what we often don't recognize talk about as he is also the person of the holy spirit he is a divine person with a personality like an amazing personality. Like yes this dynamic personality he has a mind he has a will. He has emotions and when we realized that he is a person. I think that changes so much because so often the holy spirit is referred to as an it right. He's in it so he's just a force or he's we reduce into the things by which is symbolized in scripture right. There's so many beautiful symbols for the holy spirit of dove firewater. They hold so much meaning but we often reduce him to those things like he's just a dove or he's just wind or i think worse we reduce into a power like instead of him being a person who gives us power in manifests power in our lives. We just talk about much is power like we can wheel this power. It's like put. Simon did in in the book of acts where he was corrected in rebuked for treating the holy spirit as a power that he could buy in purchase for his own benefit and so when we realized he he's a person with the divine personnel. The then it changes how we interact with him. It changes how we have relationship with him and that was really profound for me. Because i've always said the person of the holy spirit and get that's never really landed on me in a way that it has in the last couple of years that his mind is a willie as emotions and we can do real life together in radically changes. How you go throughout your day. I think that you're radically blowing people's minds right now. That have never thought about that as you know what. I mean like that this person. So i wanna talk about the first. One i picked is in your book. It's called champions us. And i picked this one because i think so many times we feel so just weak and so weary and so down and so talk to us a little bit about how the person of the holy spirit champions us as believers thinking about when jesus again back in the book of genre he's talking to his disciples about when the holy spirit would come any said you know he called him the helper and the original. Greek word is apparently in that word is so full of meaning that it can be translated in several so the holy spirit is our helper. He's our advocate our intercessor. He's our counselor. Man pays counselor. Wow he's our strengthener so there but that one word that doesn't get talked about a whole lot is that he's our champion that the holy spirit champions you so think about romans. Eight where talks about. He helps us in our weakness where he prays for us in our weakness. I think about how he champions us in our weakness and he does that by interceding for us by strengthening us. but i also think about I write this. Write about this book if you can think of a friend or maybe it's your spouse. It's just somebody who is so for you like somebody you know always has your back somebody who will hold up your arms when you're weak somebody who will pray for you as much as they'll problem-solver look you somebody who will somebody who sees the gaps that are stored in either like jamie i see what god's stored in you and i want a champion you i want to cheer you on. I want to help you develop those gifts. I wanna help you have the courage to chase those dreams. Okay that's the holy spirit is that's who he is that's what he was sent to do. And it's never for glory all of those things. All about god getting all the fame and all the glory he wants to champion us and how i have neglected him and thought about always wanted to champion gifts emmy that i have tried to develop on my own or grow on my own or do not do on my own. Said he's always at work. Championing us whether we misses the beautiful thing whether we realize it or not. I love that about him. Because i think about and this week so teary when i wrote about it. So he's been with me. He's been in me. Since i was eight years old right when i put my trust in jesus god put his spirit of mate and even though i didn't realize it at the time he has been in me advocating for me. Counseling me comforting nieces. I was eight years old. But i have not paid a whole lot of attention to his distinct role in my life. But that doesn't mean he hasn't been it work. I think that's a made. It's not like he is in our heart crossing his arms. Going all right when you appreciate me when you pay attention to me when you welcome me that i'll get to work on your behalf but until then i'm just going to kick out here. No that's not what he does. He's been interceding for me all along. But once you realize that once you know what a priceless gift has been stored and you in your posture toward him. Changes then your relationship with him. Deepens intimacy with jesus increases and. You're more aware of them. So you're paying more contention to the nudges and conviction in the leading and so you just. There's more i guess that's the point. There's more it's not that the holy spirit isn't working on your behalf. There's just so much more for us to enjoy an experience. If we will say our holy spirit getting my business lead me. I will follow. I will trust you. I will go where you lead me. I will welcome your work. And i will and this is a big one. I will yield to your authority in my life. I will yield. Because if we're grieving him were quenching him than we're impeding the work and we're putting out the fire so no he never leaves. I mean that's the beautiful thing he never leaves. He will never leave us. He is the spirit of glory. He will carry us home. He is our seal. he is assured so we'll never lose him but we can save him and we can quench him. And so as i got to know him in fell more and more love with him. I wanted to know what hurts the holy spirit. What quenches the holy spirit. Because i don't want to hurt him. I don't wanna quench his work in my life and so i guess once we just realized what he's up to we're willing to welcome his wore and kind of lead into his leading. It's just a whole 'nother level of living. It's like it really. Is you become so where the supernatural breaking into the natural on a daily basis. And for that. I'm really grateful. It's so good. And i'm thinking here and i'm like yes. Yes yes and. I'm also thinking of the person who feels like no one's for me like no one's champion. I've known in my life that does that you know you said think of who does that. The most for you. And i can think of people in my own life thankfully but i also know some people would think no one and the hope that we have that the holy spirit is that when you don't feel it from any person in your life is a really really beautiful you know you mentioned winston holy spirit and what did you learn about that like you know the good news is. He doesn't leave us but that that can happen. What did you learn about that. And when you're studying yet will quenching iraq Oftentimes associated with spiritual gifts and not using those guests. Forgot score because our spiritual gifts are meant for the common good. They're meant to build up the church for the glory of god. And so you know revivals coming right. I mean we know we need the holy spirit and we need to lean into his leading and be willing to discover what unique gifts. Because if always is in you you have a spiritual gift you have at least one spiritual gift and the invitation is to discover what that is and then have the courage to trust in what that gift to let him manifest himself through your life because it is for the church it is for the common good and it is for the glory of god and so priscilla shirer at this amazing article about holy fire. I quote her in the book about holy fire. Is the thing that distinguishes us. It is the thing that makes us distinct. It is the thing that will make people say. Tell me about your jesus right. It's like what the disciples encountered at pentecost right. That's what happened. The holy spirit fell. He radically transform them. People are going. Who are these men they were. They were scared they were confused. They were denying jesus and now. They're preaching the gospel with conviction and clarity encourage and led them to ask the question basically paraphrasing but they said what happened to you. Tell us what happened. You tell us what's different about you. And the disciples always use that as an opportunity to basically say. Let me tell you about my jesus right repent and receive the holy spirit and so just like for us now. That holy fire is the thing that is going to make the love of. Jesus contagious the the adventure of jesus contagious. And so that's the question. I want people to ask of me even in my failure even in my weakness right if they can see the grace of god at worker. The forgiveness of god at work when i get it wrong. I want the question to beat. Tell me about your jesus. And it's the holy spirit that it's that holy fire. It's going to distinguish in. Make people curious an i just i think about how long in my life i have underestimated the power of the holy spirit. I have in many ways made him small. I under estimated what he could do and how he could do it and when other things that really struck me in. Writing don't miss out was how when jesus began his earthly ministry in the holy spirit. He was baptized hallway. Spirit came in scripture so clearly says jesus comma full of the holy spirit comma was led into the desert so jesus goes out into his earthly ministry in the power of the holy spirit so the same holy spirit who empowered jesus is the same holy spirit that rose jesus from the dead is the same holy spirit that filled the disciples and radically transform them in started the church. That's the same holy spirit that is in you and is in may and matt is still blowing my mind like it's still blowing my mind because i never thought about that. It just didn't land on me like it does now that it's not a mini version of the holy spirit. It's not a lesser version. It's the same. Holy spirit. And i think if christians we would embrace that entrust him because a lot of this is trust any i really do. I trust him because of the way. He's been abused because of the way. We've misused his name. Because of misconceptions about him you were afraid he's weird. He's gonna make us weird and so we don't want anything to do with them right. I mean it's true but if we're willing to trust him he will blow our minds. He so trustworthy because he is god the holy spirit. He shares the same essence in the same character. Is god the father and god the son in so. It's so interesting that we have mistrust of god the holy spirit because his characters the name has essence. It's the same. Yeah you know one of the things. That is so beautiful that you're right about in here. Also is how the holy spirit also makes us look more like jesus and you talk about sanctification. And i think that's a trust issue as well like you were just talking about trusting the process of trusting sanctification. And you know a trap that a lot of women in particular i would guess could get into as like i just eat to do all these things so i'm christian like i'm just trying to be better. What do i need to do to be better. And we want to check all the boxes and fill in the blanks so that then we can like hold our head up high and we know we are a good christian woman because we are doing these things and you talk about how the holy spirit comes in like. That's actually not how this whole thing works like this. You can't be any better but he helps us to look more. Like jesus through sanctification is a talk about how the holy spirit helps us with sanctify. I think one of the biggest struggles that christians faces. What you just said that. We're trying to live the christian life without the power of christ And i think part of that is because our salvation narrative doesn't talk about the holy spirit. I think the has ditch change in talk about when you put your trust in. Jesus you receive eternal life. It's a free gift by faith. You receive eternal life. And that's that's everything bets and credible but the other part of the conversation is when you put your trust in jesus god puts his spirit in you so now you are not only given eternal life but you were given power for the present life to live the free and abundant life that jesus came died and rose again to give you and so what happens is an. I'm very much guilty of this. We try to live the christian life in our own strength. We try fix ourselves save ourselves sanctify ourselves. It's all on ourselves in the holy spirit has freed us from that. I mean that's the good news. He has freed us from fixing ourselves. He has freed us from sanctifying ourselves. Because that's his job is to make us more like jesus and he does that by leading us so we have to let him lead us in the process of safe. Typically right i mean galatian five let the holy spirit guide your life. And then you won't be doing with the simple nature craves because these forces are always battling each other so we've been given the holy spirit to lead us into holiness right to make us more like jesus but we have to let him do that. We have to deal are stubborn wells to his even think about jesus saying he will glorify me records at the end of the day. The holy spirit's whole goal is to glorify. Jesus it's to make much of jesus it's to make him more and more beautiful to us in so if we christians. What our lives to be a love song for jesus then. The encouragement is to welcome the work of the holy spirit. Because that's what he will do. He wants to glorify. Jesus he wants to turn our eyes to jesus he wants to make much jesus and so the larger he becomes our lives. The more our lives will look like gps. It's just the natural overflow of him becoming larger and us of him filling us a fresh with his presence and his power. Yeah heck is at the end of the day. he's like. Hey look jesus you disguise on him. I love that. I love that you can count on him. I mean my new prayers like holy spirit fix my eyes on jesus. 'cause i'm like i'm trying to lift my head. I'm trying to turn my gaze unlike holy spirit. You're the supernatural one. Fix my eyes on. Geez can you keep it there place. Because i get so distracted. Yeah even in that simple prayer that you're saying like you know holy spirit keeps fix my eyes on jesus like is this everyday thing of saying. This is my prayer today. This is my prayer today. And i think that this book is such a gift to so many people because it is you mentioned earlier. That people have said it's readable you know and also full of true. I don't know why we can't have both but people said that about your but it is so engaging and so understandable as someone coming in and you can go. I know exactly what she's talking about. And so full of truth and teaching about the holy spirit which is like you said it. Probably one of the things that people in the church are just going. I've never spent a lot of time thinking about this. And so i'm so grateful for this work. And maybe you could have. Maybe you could have also titled it grow. You can't fix yourself or something like that. I don't know that suffer here. that's for sure. Well i'm grateful for this with your work on daring to believe that life is better at the holy spirit. Because i think it's going to be a huge blessing to so many people i'd love to hear from you what you're reading in what you're loving these days. What i'm reading. I finished my sister's book surviving savannah which was amazing so my older sister is an author to and she writes She not it's historical fiction but latest one was surviving savannah. I was getting letters confused and that was amazing. Oh yeah yea patty kellyanne henry go reader book. She's amazing and sam. Storms has a new book out earn. Actually it's not new. It's new ish but it's new to me and it's about spiritual gifts and holy moly. I'm having to read it real slow and the highlighter pen or out. He's just blowing my mind because it's funny. When i started already miss out by question was what does he do. And i honestly thought. I don't know if i can get a whole book out of this like i'm going for it but i don't know if i could write a whole book and the end of the day we cut twenty five thousand words because he's seriously because my question became what does it he do that. There's no part of the christian life that he isn't in shouldn't be intimately involved in. And so now i just want to know more and there's so much more to about him. I feel like. I've barely scratched the surface on what he does. And set the sandstorms. Book is really helping me with that. Yeah and maverick. Sitting music is bringing me serious life right now. All the time in the kitchen in the car i love jeannie. Thank you so much for coming on the happy hour. Thank you for the work that those work did in your life for us to be. The beneficiaries of this fruit came out into this book. And so you guys check out. Don't miss out daring to believe. Life is better with the holy spirit wherever get books. Genie thank you thank you. I love her so much and we could have talked for hours and hours and hours and her passion for the holy spirit is contagious. And i hope that you learned something today encourage with something today. If you want more go check out our book. Don't miss out daring to believe. Life is better with the holy spirit. Genie canyon is beautiful author and a passionate lover of jesus and his people. I also want to tell you that we have some of this conversation over on our youtube channel. So you can see us have this conversation go over to jamie dot com slash youtube and you can see that there. 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Episode 674: Francis Chan

Relevant Podcast

1:04:53 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 674: Francis Chan

"From the creators, relevant magazine. This is the relevant podcast. Friday, January eighteen two thousand nineteen and this is the Roma podcast. I'm your host Cameron Strang in here with me in our arlando studios. Jesse kerry? The person. The ones in twos are luscious engineer. My brother challenge during the Lou on the Skype line from Nashville, Tennessee Tyler Huckabee. Hey, everybody in just down the road where the internet finally works. Twenty minutes ago. Author speaker podcast cowgirl extrordinary any f- downs. Get more than what a day. We have a great show store. Few today. Coming up later Francis. Chan joins us we got him out of hiding. I know this was really a loose of. He is a lunatic assess what found a where he was talking about a lot. He was in the holy land. He was in the holy land. Just said this like after you kinda knew mother like this. Not not avoid. But there isn't like these standout video teaching series releasing one eight part series on the book of Mark Bright filmed live in the holy land. He literally does one of the teachings while standing in the Jordan river. I got to watch a bunch of this the other day, and they were like you wanna talk France about let me check it out. Let me vet this. Oh, we need to talk. It is incredible. You're gonna hear about. Sending a relevant roving reporter to find like the general in the movie the grizzled old the sharpshooter out for one last mission. You. This little hut in the holy land. Francis. Wylie? I mean, like he'll get all successful have a big ministry, and then he goes, and he'll vanish vanish for like a year. What you guys are describing is basically the plot of Rambo four when missionaries are captured in Cambodia, and that is where no way to rainbow. Glisten? This is how they sell one goes to find Rambo who is a professional Cobra hunter at this point. That is literally live in a shack any hunts cobras professionally and he has to decide whether he takes the mission Raymond much Knox. I'm sorry. Hey, we mute her as a penalty. No penalties for not growing up with most of most of the the missionary houses shakers are killed with Rambos bare hands, and it is a it's the movie is hard are. Grounds of graphic graphic violence. The good nineteen eighties. Hard are the hardest star. I apologize to you guys. Recording in the morning, and I'm very tired, and I can't shake it. I've had all the caffeine of had the breakfast. I've I can't shake it like the clouds the behind Isaac you just sleep. No. I'm just tired late out of it while I was watching DVR the bachelor and the Vanderbilt roles, you know, this is user, but this user errors. But it's boring. You know, it's the second screen situation for me when I do those, you know, and I didn't have my laptop out. So I I saw Phil around on my phone ended up getting into it with an internet troll. Read all of that time was this. Did you do that? Okay. Before we go into it. Because I actually I I saw. First of all, I haven't reread it. It was a late night situation for me and whole lot of knows case. So I think we all might have a brief take on us. We don't need to belabor it. But I m. On my Instagram sills. It's gone by now so came and why don't you just give us a brief synopsis? I don't read the relevant comments. We talk about this famously guy. Just ignorance, right? Yeah. Well, somebody apparently commented on one of relevance posts addressing knee by name in a person saw that in tag me and said to the guy you're a coward. Why didn't you like why don't you actually tag him? You know, if you're gonna talk about somebody shown, they shouldn't the bat signal in this. I got the notification it has landed night. Now, the bats the bachelor is getting a little mooring. I see my name pop up. I check it out. Yeah. Okay. I mistake. That was the first mistake implying that that happened at eight pm last night when the actual Zahn. DVR in it. Late at night. Usually, this is what a and bachelor viewing got catch up four souls. You know what I'm saying? And apparently, you guys thanks a lot for first of all you guys posted the very controversial Gillette commercial about being a dad like having a son not a bully before. Because I wanna get you into the nitty gritty of the exchange. But for people who haven't seen the ad that is supposedly very controversial. Here's what's controversial about it. Gillette is making a statement that for far too long men have gotten away with sexual harassment with there's bully literally a clip of two kids like fighting in a dad pulling them off saying this is how we solve problems and saying we need to be better men. Not toxic masculinity for some reason people found this message Custer version. I. Hey, we did nerd. Real man on the street every. We please. Okay. This is controversial the conversation around. What is appropriate and inappropriate conduct has gotten so controversial that an advertisement for razors. That is persuading their customers who are who for this particular, shaving product are men to live lives of integrity and not to sexually assault people and not to bully other people physically in two thousand nineteen that is now a controversial Tyler this guy. Basically was saying to me that my father is the right exa- how he supported correct with the left and right media company made it personal. He said that your gear he said literally your disappointment your dad like have like paved the right path. He supports Trump. You have scotch tape. The New York Times onto the cross you left us liberal. It kept saying. That's something that Cameron hasn't his new house. Decorative class. It doesn't. High-concept RV's over the master. It's very I like, I thought it was cool. I don't wanna make this personal. But I will say to to be fair to this guy's point the first time, I met your dad, he shook my hand and gave me a wedgie. Place. But for some reason he kept saying like leftist and liberal, and it's like win win did not punching another kid become a political issue. Like the root of the word political is say comes from the same root as policy, right? The ideas of hey, let's treat people with respect and dignity and not fall a society. That's not political just because one political party happens to have elected someone who brags about sexual assault that doesn't make it a political issue. I know plenty of a very thoughtful very intelligent, very caring people who consider themselves politically conservative that would have no objection to the message of this commercial. If anyone is projecting any sort of political message on it that should be terrifying to that person because they have betrayed their. Political ideology and favor of something disgusting and horrible. It says more about them, and who they may have voted for. Then it does say anything about a razor company. But apparently, I'm a disappointment. Because we we you guys posted this leftist shrill on the internet Gillette and well-known progressive rabble-rousers. This guy was so offended by our leftist propaganda. Posting the Gillette commercial that he went in deep on me. And my dad and my relationship with my dad, and I'm like, you know, me, you know, my part. He's the kind of guy who is fighting on the internet at one AM, which unfortunately you were to last night. The kind of guy was fighting. The harmlessly because bachelor wasn't that good last night? I just got bored. I re-watch the commercial right before record. So here's the thing. I wanted to actually play audio from this. And in case you missed it. But I feel like in order to translate. You have to see the imagery. It's Jackson position between this like really obnoxious behavior. That's that they're showing on screen with the voiceover is. Kind of how you bring message home. So you can go to rela magazine icon, Washington, Google, find anywhere, watch it. But he don't comment on it. If you comment on it, don't tagging, please. But here's the thing. I watched it again after reading Cameron story. Like, okay, I'm going to watch it with the outrage filter on I'm gonna try to see through this guys is right. And I'm going to try to. I get so offended watching Jesse that you want to publicly talk about my relationship with my father. It was baffling. It was baffling. They're like like, what are we giving? This guy so much airtime, by the way, we've been says new. Yeah. I think we started with Cameron stock tiring. I was I was struck by was when I was I don't know who the disappointment to whose father. But when I was it was very common. I wanna get into that. But when I was little it was very common growing up in the conservative circles that I did to talk about how men these days need it need to toughen up they need to be better examples than to be positive role models for the young generation. This was a pretty common conservative critique of masculinity. But then as soon as it became as it seems like the the political display of this has sort of switched. And now, the there's this push back against the idea that anytime somebody says men should be better than they are. They're like, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Men should be better people. We're not we don't touch those while that doesn't sound right at all what? This is a very straightforward. This is old as this is older than Adam. And this is a very simple very easy message to swallow. And I think that just you said, well, if you see a political message there that says a lot more about you than it does about the message at some. I thought it was a great ad Jesse. And I were looking for slices yesterday. The wine Piers Morgan any kind of started making it a political thing and everyone jumped on right doesn't actual job is to to fill hours with normal things that he makes political. What me I I mean, I feel like he's the first person. I saw a thing he made his one of the first prominent, but a media anytime someone suggests that, you know, there might be you know, pervasive social problems that need to be addressed. And those problems might fall on gender lines people there, even non provident people for some reason, you know. You know, the irony is those are the people who are always like, oh, this is, you know, you snowflakes get triggered by everything. It's like, you're the who's the so flake getting triggered by a razor commercial. Anne. I'm sure you've got an opportunity the ad. I wanna know what? Yes. Engine on the commercial was I thought it was beautiful. I watched it this morning. Yeah. I mean, I'm totally for what it is saying the way it is the political stuff here me, I'm not going to be the first one who's gonna care about that. But I do care about a commercial that teaches men that it can be manly to be tender, and it can be manly to to talk from the heart and act from the heart. And that's what that commercial as a female watching it. That was my biggest takeaway was like, oh, they are saying like it's super masculine to protect other people not to torture other people. And I so I liked it for that. We try to stay a little ape political on this cast. We're gonna love appreciate if you would tap the breaks on your agenda for saving for your podcast. Any? All that. I'm sorry. I'm all those. There's I'm sorry about all that. I'm just tired a little why you're tired Cameron is because why and you should not be fighting with a stranger internet at one a m. And and I mean jesse's down we had a big weekend. That's the reason why I'm tired this weekend. There were back to back or in the magic games they've been on the road for like two weeks. You know, the terrible on this road trip. And then Saturday we play the Boston. Celtics Sunday, we play the Houston Rockets won both of those games. Excellent. Good luck. Charms. Toronto rafters. I mean, a you are coming down and. Energy. People. They, you know, there's no I don't believe in luck. But I am incredibly superstitious when it comes to basketball. I'm moved my seat over. I used to sit on the right was nice it on the left seat. They're doing better. You know? I don't wear a certain jacket that I wore during some bad losses. Now, you keep showing up we win game who shouldn't win. And we had we were all there. No. Oh, no. Just lost able horrible. The difference was I was so far away from the court young prepares far away from the. Excellent. Excellent throw. But I'm saying compare the energy different toxic masculine MO Jo I project on the court. If you will Jessie are you is there like an angels in the infield situation here where you when you show up Christopher Lloyd and his his army of skilled sports angels can like doing visible basketball tricks. If if listeners remember year ago, we did the relevant sports podcast. And and Jesse you're on it and your coats with Steve Carter. Yeah. At the time pastor at willow creek it. Yeah. And Steve was down on Sunday with the game. So I felt like I was living the Roman sports podcasts sitting on the site full conduct the anti we got into trouble though. I mean center. To hear the story. Such theater of the mind is my friends won't tell me stories in real life because they will only tell me on the relevant podcast. So, you know, I don't like James harden heathen like me, you know. I mean, that's just the bottom line. That's so he plays for the other team the Houston Rockets his big beard. He's on a street. Yeah. He's on a unprecedented. NBA record streak right now of averaging more than forty points a game over the last almost twenty games. Tell him how much he scored against the match thirty eight okay. But still average over forty but still, but here's the deal. He was one of seventeen from three and I rode him. Okay. I to Austin rivers is on stuff. Were you yelling though Cameron? It's not safe. I don't cross comfortable get into what we're saying to the players Pacific because I'll just say this if I can say, they're very unjust, let they. The bad men were yelling in July. So so then there's a player Austin rivers whose play for the clippers. I was writing him. He turned on gave it back to me. And then all of a sudden say. Say say the Jesse see the Mark reveals itself premeditated. And so the rest of the game it's on Austin rivers. And and Steve Carter when it half time and went and bought like magic, warm up gear and ultra shorts gym shorts. And he comes out like that a little bit. He walked away from you a normal close came back. Totally sickly changed his clothes in the bag that he bought oh gosh. Stephen. So it was crazy. And like this is only the second time. This happened me fourth quarter security guard comes over to me and Steve guys got to keep it down. You got a little bit got to calm down. And I'm like. Jose what I like, I know him, and he pointed to his earpiece just chill a little bit. Did you see somebody call today say you liberal? Other team did. No, no. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know we calmed down. I mean, we did like it's almost like it's like when your favorite teacher that you're super cool with you know, whatever kind of goes like you get in trouble. Thank no, I tell you who it was. It said something come some clean shaven. Liberal Holly weird. About we missed you any Steve Carter is a blast in. It was it was fine. We missed you think the world of him. And I I the all we're having so much fun on story was all I could do not drive myself door with fun. I'm still tired because of the lake. Because of the lake. Your midnight, fighting just not going to not cutting. That is a busy weekend. I'm office. I probably taken a sick day. After all that. I want showing around town throwing Gillette razors in the garbage and just going around town bullying for. Pick on just to kinda Rica masculine energy and what a day. All right. We'll move along. It is time for our weekly. Look back at what happened in culture and entertainment Stein for. Thank you miss. It this week doctor strange director, you know, Scott Erickson went online, and pleaded with his fellow Christians to live more. According to Jesus teachings, the filmmaker as also directed like sinister, the exercise them of Emily, rose and others. He he went to Twitter to explain his problems with modern Christianity this week. He said American Christians have long loved their pop culture heroes of I have frustrated attempts to make me one because of this singular heartfelt conviction in America. We Christians are not the solution. We are the core problem when asked to elaborate a by our very own Tyler could be via Twitter, Scott explained the ways that Christians could change the conversation for the better. He said one reject Christian nationalism. It's a straight up heresy to read the gospels. Jesus was about aiding the poor the judge the sick and the socially oppressed. Three. Reckon with fear and racism. They are deceptively deep roots in the American faith along with a challenging ideas about nationalism and faith on Twitter. Scott is currently at work on the doctor strange sequel that sound those words are. Sound like a man shaves his chest with a Gillette razor. A little moustache. I don't know where he's getting these ideas from. Get it Huck. How often do you respond to someone like that? And you and they respond back to you. Very rarely I've interacted with Scott Derek since few times, I think he follows me. So we have I wouldn't I I think we have like a rep. Poor. F- times. I think he's aware of the magazine he's been in a magazine before he was banned the magazine, and it was great that he took time to like give you a legitimate like thoughtful answer versus like, not responding or blowing you off. I just think that's kinda cool. I think he did. I think it led to something that I'm actually we've joked about this Gillette ad. But I do appreciate something. That addition to pointing something that's wrong. And I think there's plenty of masculinity. And with the American expression of Christianity that you also need to point to what what's the what's the prognosis. Like, what is it looked like to to be better than where we're at? And I think deconstruction is important and reconstruction is also important and up pushing beyond just that deconstruction to reconstruction is a is a good exercise for us all to do. So I'm glad that you're willing to down that that guys at Mazlan y'all see this in your friends too. I have friends who talk about deconstructing their faith and all fine with that. If you will do the work of reconstruction, if you're just deconstructing to say that or to light walk. Away. Don't like don't waste my ear time. But if you're talking about your deconstruction with a goal of reconstructing, I got so much respect for that people. Get stuck in deconstruction because it's fun. It feels good to kind of tear down institutions once you realize the problems with them. It can lead to a feeling of superiority. I think the becomes very intoxicated. Yeah. And it's very hard. Then to try to build something newer and better out of it. Because it's it's scary. And you don't necessarily know what what to hold onto and what needs to be rebuilt in takes a lot of. Study takes trust in the Holy Spirit. Takes a lot of trust to takes finding new and better mentors in the ones. You are raised with maybe. But on the other side of it is a much happier. More fulfilled, intellectual and spiritual life. So I I hope that we can all be responsible, and I hope that and I think that something that relevance. Tried to be good at Cameron. You push us to do. It. A lot is don't just find the things that are wrong. Finding good signs out there find that things that are positive pushing the the conversation forward in a good direction. I'm a glass half full person. And I it's easy to there's two ways to change. You can either just sit there and point on everything that's wrong or you can almost like turn your back to it. And like cast a better vision for how things could be inspire people to want that. Instead. And like they will. Then when I see what's possible. And then I look at how things are I I'm not content with how things are I want to aspire to that better reality. And or you can just sit there and just criticize. You know that to me that's pointless. Let's let's where are we going? You know, like any point. I just don't get why Scott Derek in this world, famous Hollywood director engage Tyler in thoughtful dialog. And he said nothing to all my comments about as cowardly. Dr. Bribes point out did you point out to him? How much of a disappointment is to his father and various way explicit ways. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a here's here's the here's the got your dad just like the rest of the MC us fan felt like after strange was about twenty five minutes too, long wrap it up. Coward. Hey, Casey, miss it. I mean, there's been a lot of controversy about the comedy upside with Kevin Hart and Bryan Cranston because Brian Cranston was cast as a quadriplegic man in a wheelchair. And a lot of people have an issue with that. Well, critics of the casting argued that the role should have been played by actor with disabilities. Well, this week Trevor Noah weighed in on it has some really good insights about this controversy. Bryan, Cranston, hasn't apologized for playing the role. He told the Associated Press we live in the role of criticism. If we're willing to get up and try something we have to be willing to take criticism. We're very aware of the need to expand the opportunities for people with disabilities. So he's knowledge ING while the the daily show host Trevor Noah offered some top commentary about the topic saying that he changed his mind about the issue after hearing the thoughts of an actor who is currently in a wheelchair. Here's a clip. Ryan to stand. What an actor is I to ACTA. Oh, he's a, but I'm an actor in a wheelchair. And. I never see pots that are leading roles for person in a wheelchair. And so the one time I see a role with as a person in a wheelchair. I think this could be it. This could be the moment where I I have all of the tools necessary to play this pot. Do I get a shot at planes? And and he was like because when you think of it on the flip side, they never call people with wheelchairs in to play able bodied people, and they'll get able body people to play people in wheelchairs, and I was like, I just I never thought of it. Like that one thing I've read about Trevor Noah, especially and he's released a series of these these are kind of taken between segments. You know? It's just kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are scripted part of the show, but they regularly release them that his willingness to admit that his Letterman used to do he would go who's from Iowa, and he was just kind of ban. Trevor no has given some thoughtful aids and more and more times than not with these. It's him saying, you don't the opinion. I had about this was wrong. Someone changed my mind and a thoughtful constructive way. I was wrong my opinion changed. And here's here's the thoughtful of piece of commentary that actually changed my mind in case this week. Chris Pratt had some news. I love him so much talking about. No, it's not the thing. Yeah. He's engaged. Hey, this is relevant. Be. We go deeper than that. We went to his Instagram story. Not that big Instagram posts about the engagement. We're watching this story. That's right. We're we're finger on the pulse hired we hired so on only to follow. Chris Pratt stories and forty percent of Jesse. He this week on Instagram. He told followers that he was on day three of the Daniel fast. And he said check it out. It's a twenty one day twenty one days of prayer and fasting. So got everybody asking what in the world is day fast. And this was now forty three percent of our web traffic. So the rules for the fast come directly from the book. Daniel in the Old Testament in case, you didn't know after being selected to serve Nebuchadnezzar palace. Daniel refused to defile himself with the king's food and wine. Instead, he said, please test your servants for ten days. Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the Royal food and treat your servants and accordance with what you see the bible says at the end of the ten days, they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the Royal food. So then later during a time of grieving Daniel undertakes the diet for twenty one straight days, hence, the diets length Chris Pratt, also got engaged to Katherine Schwarzenegger this week's for fast. But the ring is beautiful. They look sell happy. I think it's I think it's so cute his captured under when he announcing he said that he's proud to boldly in faith with you boldly. Faith. Yeah pratt. He's he's a constant source. Although I don't know Scott, Derek. So it was talking about how Christians loved their celebrity thing. And that's a problem. Now, he said it's a problem for him. He he didn't say he said, they loved their pop culture heroes. I frustrated late don't take that mantle where I feel like no he said that he has frustrated attempts to be tagged that Christians going. Hey, we got a Christian filmmaker. Yeah. He's he's comfortable with being profiled and relevant magazine. Yeah. I don't know how he did time. He did a really great. I know enough about faith. How about this? We're gonna reshare that on the site this week for people. I the next item on in case, you missed it as about that horrible clip of the pastor remixing God's plan, and I'm not gonna acknowledge it because it's so embarrassing ballot. No. Not white people are embarrassing know why we have the warning shot. This is this. Justice deconstruction isn't important part of the process. We have to knowledge what is backs to what's wrong? And let's point to what's good like this is not worth shining, the spotlight destroy the old wine skins before we can fill them with its employees. System system. Play it. It is posted on relevant magazine dot com. Doug this up, and you say to me was to is. So this this difference in our humor you love. The Scott's tots offices. You love the awkward uncomfortable. I fast Ford or mute not handles not get any more out of. I listen as someone who part of their jobs to watch church bloopers regularly play on the other day, we played what all the other day that was more slapstick of a passer attempting to jump over very large hurdle off. Self-aware? They knew what they're doing. When they did it wrong. They played it off. Really? Well. They recovered, but as someone who professionally is professionally aware of church blooper videos. This is the Scott's tots of. So if you didn't see the clip on our website guy, we don't know why doing it. He some sort of like performer slash comedian at a big Baptist mega church. I don't know he has a hat on backwards, and he's trying to he's trying to do arap, and he showed Stor. The pastor. Vive peer he appeared very that. He's down with the young people or something. And this is what happened. Drake. I want you to know Jesus say my soul task pave with echoes that is assay. Soi say. Plan. You gotta have God's plan. Jesus much God's planners somewhere doing sign language. Rightfully the Silang shit. Our was there for this too. So that no one could aired a, you know, if you don't have the ability to hear what her the thing that was so painful is that you know, he was like when he was rehearsing it is like doing like, oh, I'm just gonna spontaneously do this. The drummer is gonna inevitably go crazy. And then they'll think it's over and then the real song will drop and they'll go bananas. Right. You know? That's what he was thinking. But it's just this weird awkward lag and like God's plan. Jesus wants you to have God's plan. It's called freestyle. He just going with. He's just feeling. Feeling the rhythm. Let the flow, but the flotation cows probably the opening to his message literally the Scott's tots of Baptist church services. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's like they have we played years ago of the pastor yelling at the kid and the sound booth. You wanna you just wanna crawl under the few and not be there, you find that clip. Yeah. Oh. I don't think I know this fundamentalist like Louisiana like old school pastor who's who's just kind of like walking up and down the aisles of the church like the pews like what is it called? I I'm gonna find it while you talk, and he just starts like column people out like this young couple got engaged and been church lately. Flank coming Bob, and you're eighty you're issues. That's how. Passer. Grownup was yeah. And then he started talking about the young the guy the young people in the sound booth. I would rather have a faster do a painful at least an attempt at comedy with God's plan then than someone who's this guy. Just got angry sues secure and just takes it out on other people. I'll say this the God's plan passer is likely a Gillette, man. Yeah. He's good natured he's tries to make people laugh with with with victimless comedy this. This is the old school guy who encouraged his children to beat up other children to the amusement of the fathers at the barbecue. That was interesting all the dads. I thought was very artistic the dads at the moment Suman that grilling vegan keeping the camera on me back there in the little video room. Good. We haven't trouble in the video room. There's no one finer. Then young Cox back there, and he comes down here, spins hours net thing, but he has a little attitude adjustment that we're going to fix the Cox. You listening because mother Cox can fix your attitude adjustment. Now. I don't care what your mama. Thanks in your daddy. Thanks. And I don't have a better friend your momma, but mom, you get out of my way, when I'm mission was that boy because I'm his preacher. I'm yours when I'm talking to you. But I'm his when I'm talking to him and last I checked he's a grown man that video roommate going to be. Internal politics are up. We wanna miss what I'm doing wrong. Will if you don't know what you're doing wrong. If you don't hear about what I want to do. Right. Because if you love me, and you submitted to me, you know, what my heart is in my messages, and you wouldn't go about establishing your own kingdom and the video room church. Like, what makes you yell at the sound guy? Like, he's making the sound who say you hang hang out any us. Oh, love the pastor. If you're making it, a youth, hang out and your own kingdom. We just got a bummer pool room. Bull table in the youth hall. This is how you pay me. Building the kingdom of Devon. Hang. Poll table stone way. Call me, I wondered what was I wondered if he he's really got all the power, you don't mess. Yeah. When I get you a church. That's the first person. I've remember his name because that guy has all the power also nice to Chandler here. Well, Ashley in case, you missed it this week, it west said he is working on some sort of church special. So his wife Kim Kardashian was posted an Instagram story of something she called Sunday service, which featured her husband rehearsing with what? Sure sounds like a gospel choir and frequent collaborator kid Cutty. So together, they covered some of these newer songs like ghost town from his latest album, Hugh, stone, cold classics. I heard him say, and even I'll fly away father's starts, my hands and reborn also appear in the clip Kim pretty strongly implied that this won't be the last Sunday service. But it's unclear what the project is or how it will be released. But here's a clip. Got kid Cutty fishing. Now, youth hang out Jesse. I know it's kind of a complicated person. I mean more complicated even than he usually is right now. But of all the things released last year, I thought that kid Cutty project was the best one that kids see goes things. And so from now on as long as with Cutty, then I'm bored. And if it comes I'll fly away, I can get a chance this desert chance. And I guess that there's one coming or about to release or something. God's plan. Plan. Jesus. Gods play here point that clever just kind of gets away from a minute. Vicki notion. Grabs his knee inserts wiggling. I've lose it. I've lose this loss. I gotta do something that resembles, Dan. It's the old pastor trick of whatever you start to lose the double down Davol. That's on them for for. Let's let's say he had like a very earnest like thoughtful sermon about recognizing God's plan for your life. He's like, you know, I just don't think this is really gonna make the impact in the lives of my congregation without one other thing. I've got it. This surely will help those wayward congregation struggling to find their calling in their life. You know, this will do it. God. Thank you. If I grow God's play. Trick trick. What you going to say visas crisis here too? Gosh. All right. Well, different case you missed it. Stay tuned up next Francis. Chan joins us. To Sharon van Etten seventeen. At the beginning of the puck ask you heard symbol s why amount with clean is. Well, this episode is brought to you by church home. You know on our phones we can be connected to anyone anywhere. But how do you actually find meaningful positive connections and tune out all the negative noise? For me. It's with the new church global app. What we love about church home as not about excluding people. It's about being together. Everyone's welcome the church global Abbas you to connect with people all around the world have honest discussions and create meaningful relationships off from your phone. They have a great feature even everyday called the daily spark which just a quick way to start your morning, positively with inspiration from Judah and Chelsea Smith turtles pastors. Join me today on the church global app. Download the free church on global APPA vailable on the app store or Google play or you can text relevant to five five eight eight eight that's Turco one word C H U R C H E global available on the app store or Google play by texting relevant to five eighty. Francis. Chan is a former mega church pastor speaker author and is one of the faces of the new video teaching series from right? No media in the series Francis. Traveled to the holy land to walk in the steps of Jesus while teaching some of the deeper lessons of the bookmark recently spoke with Francis about his journey to Israel, and why taking a deeper look at the gospel is so essential. Here is Francis. Chan. I've been a Christian pretty much my whole life, and you know, have spent a lot of time reading the bible, but I don't really know the lot of the distinctions between the gospels themselves. Tell me why the book of Mark stands out from the other gospels to you. And why it was something you wanted to teach through. Well, I think because okay. Like when I was back at cornerstone, I had taught to Matthew, and Luke, and John and I never preached through Mark. So honestly that was intriguing to me. I I mean, some of it, you know, is no real spiritual thing, it was just for the sake of time. It was a shorter gospel that we could could make it through. But you know, there's there's something cool about tot through verse by verse through books of the bible. There's something also that's beneficial when you can fly through something because the flow of the book a little bit more easily. And that's what I liked about the series was okay? We only have a few hours that's fly through this book. And you get something that I think you don't as -sarily get when you go word for word over several years. Having not, you know, you mentioned when you're a cornerstone preaching through some of the other gospels. What surprised you when you were doing this deep dive into the book of Mark? Israel, change, everything because you could touch it. You can you can imagine you see people walking around, and you're you're looking at their life and kosh literally standing here. Like, what would I felt like being on the mount of olives? And you know, maybe standing there with plasmas who's been raised from the dead and you're heading in. And here's Jesus who has you've seen it walk on water. You know, what I'm I so chronologically we've gone through this. And I I'm experiencing on that boat. I'm experiencing amount of transfiguration now on the amount of lives. And and everyone's going nuts because here's the most powerful beings ever stepped foot on this earth right here, and you're about to walk in the city and takeover or so you'd think and then suddenly you realize oh my gosh. He's going to be tortured. And if I follow my mom going to be tortured. And you start to think what would Francis Chan have done at that moment. Would I have found him to the cross or word? I backed off in like this little Christianity. This is real ended gets and you just realize. Wow. What kind of best sage have? We been preaching in. Oh here in America. Has it has it been a true gospel, and his my mind warped just because of the world that I live in and how can I scape from it? So I don't think it was a different in teaching Luke or teaching Mark. It was more just a context of being in Israel and teaching one of the gospels. It's it's interesting, you know, kind of that juxtaposition of teaching there versus, you know, from from a pulpit here, you know, a lot of a lot of American Christians their interactions with these books are in like an air conditioned. You know, well, furnished church building. In a country where they are the majority. But you know, what's striking is watching some of these videos. How little has seemed to change in just I wonder if you can talk about putting yourself into that context of not just the, you know, the timeframe and the setting that she was but also the context of Israel that the Israelites and the people that were following the the Jews our following Jesus. You know, they were under persecution. They were a minority. How did that context? Help kind of shape. The teaching. Yeah. I I mean anyone who spend Israel knows like it's just like a very volatile situation. You know, you've got people with machine guns everywhere. You've got you know, right there like a war going on incessantly. And so it's right in your face. And you realize gosh. I live in such a faith plays. I just don't the bible is in come alive. Like like, you said when you're sitting in air conditioned building. Like, it does when you realize while the same conflicts are still going on and is very city right here. I can see it. I can feel the tension. And it's it's really not that different very religious people that are that are all dressed up, you know, in their religious garb, and you can just picture Jesus. Like what he would do in that type of setting. But it's kind of like, thank you. Wait, all this stuff in the Old Testament about all these idols? And but in America, you know, unless you're going into a Thai restaurant or something you don't idols, but you go to India, and you're like whoa, again, the bible comes alive because. It's like everyone worships in idol, and you realize okay now, some of those passages are coming alive. And and I feel like the same thing happened for me, Israel where? There's something about seeing the conflict right in your face. They makes you go. Okay. What Jesus she's doing with? Now, what the early believers were dealing with to a lesser degree. But at least some part of it. I wanna ask you something about, you know, kind of the content of the teaching too because one of the themes that kinda run throughout his. Yeah. D- of holiness. Obviously, you're in these places that have the reverence in holiness, but it's also sort of theme of the t shirts, and so that's kind of a difficult idea for like modern Christian comprehend because Jesus seemed a lot of places in the bible, so normal so human why is it important for us have a proper understanding of Jesus holiness. And so many ways like that the crux of scripture. I mean, we have a God who is like no other like we have to stop from like putting things even close to where. He is the whole idea poll hole Yoli he is set apart. He's sacred, and we live in a very man centered world where we just feel like our opinions should matter are fueling should matter. And no God pill. It alone matters. Like, he's on an outdoor level that all your feelings. All your preferences. All your desires, all your opinions. Like, he's got to be way up there that he's not like us. Our creator is so far beyond. Yes. We're made an image. But the whole point of life is man, I am I am inferior to him, and I should go at the come under his leadership. The whole original thing is been trained to be. You know, I wanna eat at the tree of good and evil. I wanna in my. Opinion that you know, I want to go what's right or wrong. I don't want. I don't want. God just tell me, what's right? And we're on. I mean, this is all about understanding that our God is to be far far above. And so that theme is not just the book of Mark. It's it's scripture. It's it's the whole of scripture. Make sure to check out his new video series on the gospel of Mark. Right now media. Out of this. At least some orphans. The church is the solution to caring for orphans through Listrik Christ centered education care to children in developing countries, as well as Dopp financial assistance Christian van this when lake song invites you to join in living out God's call to care for orphans lake song syrups Jap to families in churches at zero cost and one hundred percent of the donations go directly to helping children in Europe held Sirkin weaken, find out how at life on dot org. Ports relevant. Any brothers? Okay. It's time for your feedback last week. We talking about celebrity and counters because Anne was on a plane with shack. I was just talking about how I mean, it changed her life ring, never forget it. And so we wanna know your best worst most unforgettable celebrity and counter you guys hit us up on Twitter relevant. Podcasting. You posted on the podcast episode page at relevant magazine dot com. Here's few of our favorites. I like this one. It's ironically Cameron. I were literally having conversation about Matthew mcconaughey as. Tendency to just randomly show up to practices at the university of Texas football program. I was watching ESPN last night while I was debating idiots on the internet. And I don't watch ESPN all that long that much and and it was like Matthew mcconaughey is coming on later. And I was like what? And then they were showing all these pictures of ham like given halftime speeches to the university of Texas football team and hanging out and like coaching guys up on the sideline in jungle. I'm like he's just a random fan like like, he's not a football savant. He's not an expert. I'm like, and I'm thinking this coach is fairly new. I mean, this coach is only been like a year. It's like he inherited. Matthew, mcconaughey? Eighteen in. I think he's sneaking in McConnell. Hey is like comes with the program and to put up with it. If you're the coach because I've seen the same package deal. If you go to Texas, you're going to get to meet Matthew mcconaughey every weekend. So, but either way we have we have feedback here from Patrick Marsh is not only say UT alumni, he's this alumnus. He is a he was on the college baseball team there university of Texas guess randomly came to practice one day. Well, metha- Matthew mcconaughey baseball team. He hung out. Yeah. He he shows up to baseball brat to see out when just watch for a while. Then he decided that he would join the team for wind sprints at the end of fractious like so badly. We kinda hey city of Leisure's watching baseball practice when it's time for the winds. France, the conditioner at the end he runs down to the field. And decides to join the team. However, he only ran a few and then called it. Good. They also confirmed. Matthew, mcconaughey deodorant? So thing is why do you think the school tells all the ushers, and coaches and personnel that work in the athlete department? Just let them do what he's going to the Orlando. Magic people say about you. Karen? Well, I thought that until Jose the security guard came over and told me to chill. Yeah. We remain. Where's from on high? Yeah. Fairly thought we had an agreement. This a lot from from Cal bussmann. That was such disdain cow. Possum, right. It's a fun name. I like it. He's best man. The man out of college was working at First Baptist Church in Tallahassee says that when he was in his churches family life center. This is what I like about the celebrity story is it you need to be in the least likely to see a celebrity. Do you need to be like an an mundane done celebrity environment. Like first church in Tallahassee your churches. I don't know what a family life center is. I guess my mind I'm kind of like a I had one in my church growing up at the fellowship hall with ours. Had a stage for a win the choir performances, or the shirts. Basketball. Challenging okay. Sure. I don't know. What about basketball? It seems like that kind of throw a wrench in proceedings. But and so that so Callistus living his life. We're gonna job in the family life center in N, walks prints, and his entourage what? So right, there you go to you go to the Chapelle skit where prancing walks. Literally when the best most television. His stories of hanging out with MRs like prince himself is that bit of and what it's so printed his entourage walking Laleh Hassi at churches fellowship hall and print swab principles like pretty famously like got super Christian in his later like MS like was a had a real, strong spiritual bent to him. He's so he was he was playing Tallahassee had some time to kill before the show. And so he went not where you are. I would go if we had some time to kill before we had an event out of town to the first half this church in Tallahassee and the church and there were amenities there. And he came looking to shoot some pool. Another famous prince fact is that he really liked like games. Like like, he loved basketball, obviously, he loves playing ping pong. He Ping pong to Baptist turned look into pool. Tile pool hall. I now go pull poll hall. Yeah. Because I don't know. Mabel, Devon, he'll. Here. Houston games. Hang out. The least likely place he'd be found. Yeah. That's true. If you didn't want to hang out with like get mobbed by celebrities as they need to go to the knock on the door of church, if I recall correctly, I'm remembering them piecing together. He was a Jehovah's Witness at the enough. So they Jehovah's Witness. That's right. So why not go to Jehovah's Witness? Maybe they don't have any jobs. There. Yeah. Pool over there. So I do I cal- says the show around and then shot shoot pool with prince for a while yet to shoot pool with him. Can't tell you who won which probably meant that. He did. Because I think I would remember if I'd beaten pressure we just chatted about football. He wore purple because he was a Vikings fan the purple one. And so as my dad because he was born in Minnesota we talked about Vikings. That was the extent he dislike had a day at the job with thing that CAL's not really into sports. So they talked about literal Viking. Listen more. Oh, yeah. Minnesota Vikings up there. Everyone here. Norwegian. I have a great one from brianna brianna brianna. You can never know what this name, but they were she and her sisters were in New York City, and they were just walking down the street, and there was a big metal door with a bunch of people gathered outside of it, which this is a hot tip, everyone should stop when that happens in New York because it does mean something famous it's gone down. And so the door opened and the security guard in tall guy walked out and the group surrounded the guy started taking this picture, and they realized it was Hugh Jackman. And so he she's trying to get her phone Karner sister like looks like shut up like that. And as you getting in the car, he turned around and said, no you shut up. So I love that. It's nice out. He was self aware. The sister, which I kind of liked that about like, a nice, he seems very charming. He always seems like a very widsom. He has a very winsome personality. And he's a he's a Christian, man. He's a strong Christian out Australia. Yeah. There's a lot of work with with World Vision. Australia. His father was a tent revivalist. Yeah. Really since before he was famed before he was an actor. It's been right to the same person. Like the entire time is a good man that and he talks to people I want saw in New York. I talking about getting into a car. I in New York, you you see celebrities getting into cars because they they shuffle out of that off quick. Redes- Philbin getting into a car. I said three. Knowledge. You blurt you just blurt? You don't know you don't. No, you don't. What are you gonna do? You come around the corner. And there's read is Philbin Cayman. I remember I remember being at a movie with you in New York City and we sat one row in front of. I think it was Rudy Giuliani already foster by side Jodie Foster sitting at the same movie. So we were as they. I just. Random pirro. Yeah, they were just seeing a move. No. We read a like it was. But it was like why why why are they how did they know each other because they were clearly like they're not gonna date together. Like just hanging out Jodie Foster and Rudy Giuliani. Lizzy rice had a good one of one time. She this is to your story of just finding the right thing to shout. Right. Yeah. Right. Lizzy is in Spain one night eating gelato and guess who walks towards her the one and only Ty Pennington. To four it. Okay. I was so sharp shook as he pass at the only thing I could yell was moved that bus. Yeah. Of course, he weighs. I hear that every day of his life. You gave it. He didn't give anything just kept going now. Okay. They'll do it for you that your feedback. There's a lot go go. Check it out and time for this week's. The week. I mean, sometimes we have to go off Mike for a few minutes and try and come up with a compelling conversation. Starting question the weekend. Sometimes manna falls from heaven given. Earlier on the show. We brought you some pretty cringe pastor moments and got us thinking, we wanna know, you're most cringe passer moments. Maybe revival. Maybe it's a speaker. Maybe you saw your pastor. Try to jump a hurdle because of the power of God all flat on his back or hit us up on Twitter at relevant podcast, or you can post your longer stories, which I'm sure there are many on the podcast episode page at relevant magazine dot com. Let us know your most memorable cringe pastor moments like I don't know if you were hanging out in the sound booth in the pasture started calling out by name and the mother sermons. That's what we need to get as listener the week that guy. Good Devon, Devon. Or the pastor. Scam. I would be terrified, and he would probably make me cry. He sounds like Gillette, man. He's he's he's. Yeah. Oh, man. Well, many things to Francis. Chan for joining us today. Remember, you can go check out his new series on the gospel of Mark bible teachings from the Highland villain out. Right now media dot org slash Mark. Go check him out. He's he's the one. I like him a lot. He's a great teacher and thanks to church home for making the possible. You can join us today on the church global app downloading the free app at the app store or Google play or by texting relevant to five eight. If you're searching for it. It's church one word C H U R C H O M E. Well, a little give updates low behind you seen stuff. So people know we were playing with video during this whole recording. This is big a big successful test. So. Good angle unforeseen situations next week you guys some scar. Start looking for video highlights the codes. And then a few weeks later big change. Big news reveal. Oh, no, no coming. This is like the appetizer before the entree the the video highlights little abs- little little tripe the menu because they're not really getting anything yet. No next week. They'll start to see video highlights. Yeah. Okay. The appetizers. Yeah. That's that is the fill up on the highlights slider. Yeah. That's the that's fine or well done. Slider. Chili burger it's not to bite burger as I call ours. You really motivated. Any burger if you really tried. Big big big changes to the real exciting. Hey, Jesse is always a great. Thanks for magic to Goodwin's this weekend. It'd be crunch time indices will be happy to come down. So I do everything that I can you know? Hey, I'll come down to the studio for the next one Cameron. That's right. You right here. We're just show. Yup. On Tuesday's show. In the book a flight your next. I'm on I'm on Expedia right now. I am on greyhound dot com. Will be there in a week. All right on that will wrap things up. I'm Cameron Strang. 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The most distant object ever visited by a spacecraft

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The most distant object ever visited by a spacecraft

"Before today's episode, Dr Jim Denison has a special note for you. I want to thank each of you who contributed so graciously to our ministry in twenty eighteen we are entirely donor supported your gifts make this ministry possible. Our entire team joins me in expressing gratitude. For your encouragement and support every life touched by this ministry is an extension of your faithfulness to God. Be the gory. Now onto today's episode. The most distant object ever visited by a spacecraft this agenda innocence daily article for Wednesday January second twenty nineteen. What do NASA scientists in the league jars for the rock band Queen having common a bowling pin shaped rock four billion miles from earth that is making world headlines today, ultimately is a billion miles on the other side of Pluto. The space rock is approximately twenty miles long by ten miles wide and seems to spend like a propeller through space. It could also be to objects in orbit around each other. The object was discovered by the Hubble space telescope four years ago in name twenty fourteen immu six nine. Public campaign hosted by NASA renamed it ultimately is referenced to the most distant place beyond the borders of the known world yesterday. The NASA spacecraft new horizons conducted a successful fly. By of this remote space object over the next few days, scientists expect to receive more photographs of the most distant object ever visited by spacecraft because the probe is so far from earth. Scientists say data on ultimately will continue streaming to us until September twenty twenty Brian May the league stars for Queen. And an astrophysicist is a participating scientist on the new horizons project. He wrote a song to honor the mission we could focus this morning on NASA studying achievement new horizons measures only seven point two by six point nine by eight point nine feet this tiny space probes blazing through space in excess of thirty one thousand miles per hour. The scientific ingenuity sophistication required engineer, operate such device are truly remarkable or we could focus on the wonders of the universe. New horizon is exploring as we have noted the pro. Flew approximately four billion miles to reach. Ultimately, however, the Milky Way galaxy is more than six hundred twenty trillion miles across in twelve years of space travel, the probe is cross point zero zero zero six four five percent of our galaxy and the Milky Way just one of more than two trillion galaxies in the known universe. While NASA is to be congratulated in the universe is to be admired. I'd like to suggest a third option for us to consider today. I will never forget the first time visited the statue of David in the Galleria del academia in Florence Italy. Standing seventeen feet tall. That's massive work of art is truly stunning. But even more amazing is the fact that it was crafted from a flawed block of marble by twenty six year old genius named Michaelangelo which deserves more praise. The creation or its creator, humans are capable of technological feats nearly beyond imagining in two thousand nineteen experts foresee prosthetic limbs controlled by paralyzed patients. Thoughts autonomous robots at work and home in genetic yours for sickle cell disease. Who deserves credit for us. If our solar system where the size of a grain of sand, the Milky Way would be thousand times larger than cathedral in comparison. If the Milky Way where the size of a grain of sand, the universe would be the size of a cathedral in God measures all of that with the palm of his hand. However, western culture, as though we live in a creation with no creator technological hubris in materialistic secularism have relegated to the realm of superstition mythology. This is unsurprising as first Clinton's to fourteen tests lost people are unable to comprehend spiritual truth. My point today is at Christians must not make the same steak one of Satan's most subtle strategies is to Tim God's people to work for our Lord rather than with him. The enemy knows we cannot convict a single person of a single sin or save a single soul. He knows that nothing. We do human strength even preaching evangelizing or podcasting daily articles can accomplish eternal significance. So if you cannot lead us into sent he will. Lead us into self reliance. Why do Evan Jellicoe have bigger churches than ever before? But seem to make less impact on our culture than ever before. It's not that we are not well, intentioned, theologically orthodox hardworking even sacrificial. Here's the issue as Eker four six says, not by might nor by power. But by my spirit says the Lord of hosts Francis Chan wrote the church becomes irrelevant would it becomes purely a human creation? We are not all we were made to be when everything in our lives and churches can be explained apart from the work in presence of the spirit of God. Are we truly dependent on the spirit are we yielded to his direction every moment of every day. Are we praying earnestly before we preach seeking God before we serve him walking with him before we worked for the good news. Is that nothing we face in two thousand nineteen is greater than the God who loves us. If we choose to be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of his might as a Fiji in sixteen says, no attack of the evil one can defeat us if we begin each day by surrendering it to the spirit. And walk through the day seeking his leadership in power God will do far more through us than we can do for him, and we will be able to testify along with Paul and Philippians four thirteen. I can do all things through him who strengthens me therefore if I could make just one New Year's resolution for God's people in twenty nineteen it would be this. We will live in the power of the spirit Samuel Chadwick wrote destitute of the fire of God, nothing else counts. Possessing fire, nothing else matters. I encourage you to connect with the Dennis inform on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter to keep the conversation going. Thank you for listening to today's daily article podcast.

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Francis Chan (Encore)

The Eric Metaxas Show

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Francis Chan (Encore)

"Improve your memory. With viva laura premium quality all natural supplement with five to twenty times more nutrients than any other memory supplement viva is at or dot com enter promo twenty twenty percent off viva dot com v. i. dot com viva lor dot com. Welcome to the eric metaxas. Show with your host eric. Metaxas walk into friday friday friday. It's friday on the metaxas show. And why wouldn't it be friday everywhere. Yeah well you know what i'm saying. Run planet i know okay. I have a question album since it's friday. Sir are we. Am i going to be talking. Francis chan shortly. Yes francis chan. Okay for instance. Jan is a big deal if you haven't heard of him You're in big trouble. That's number one. Francis chan is my guest He and i become friendly lately. And i think that's gonna end in this interview. You wanna stay tuned yeah. I'm going to grill him. Hard and And you should. And i want to remind people that i'm going to be in seattle today. In fact i'm on a plane. Now you know. I know that I just do. I can't tell you this while you're listening to this. I believe on a plane I don't feel like i'm on a plane. But i believe i am here. The wind rushing past but a closed window and and by the way Since i'm going to seattle reminds me to remind the audience If you go to my website if you wanna find out where. I'm speaking. I'm speaking everywhere this fall. It's going to be crazy. I don't know if i'm gonna ever get home again but my book is coming out called. Is atheism dead asking you to preorder a copy from anywhere you like. It makes no difference but please preorder your copies. People are going to get crazy about this book. I promise you. I can't wait till it comes out because i want to talk about it. There's stuff in here. That's gonna really shocked people. I mean i promise you you will have a hard time believing some of the stuff. That's in there but it's documented And it's god's i would say in time You know revelation of evidence proving him making it much more difficult to believe he doesn't exist. In fact i argue that believing. There is no god has become intellectually untenable. I mean genuinely. I don't mean that's my subjective. Call i mean it's not tenable you can say i'm agnostic. You can doubt the details. But whether there's a god i think has become a question that's Beyond questioning it's it's just you know it's like talking about whether the is flat. We really know if it's rounded. You know there's always gonna be somebody clinging To the idea that it's not a sphere but An obe late sphere. We're going to get better obe late. So let me say this That the book You can. i'm going to be speaking about it. But you can find out my speaking schedule at eric. Metaxas dot com. You should be going there every day. Anyway to check your blood pressure and things of that nature also. We should mention neutral. Yeah go neutral. Medics dot com. Use the code eric. And get a whopping discount on all the stuff you need to keep your immune system boosted up the way you ought to so. I think i mentioned this couple of days ago. You know there's no such thing as a cold and flu season. There is such thing as a depressed vitamin d season. You get less sun in the winter. You get less vitamin d in the winter. Which is why you're susceptible to viruses and kohl's and different things that's normal so if you want not to be normal if you don't wanna get colds and viruses and flus and cova. Did you wanna take vitamin d. And you also want to take zinc and a number of other things. Go to neutral dot com. This is true not blowing smoke. Ladies and gentlemen goto neutra medics dot com and use the code eric and of course We because it's friday album. I kinda thought before we get the francis who's no fun. We would have some fun on friday with fun facts friday. Do you have any fun. Facts friday so we haven't done it a long. I'm going to wet your beak with some fun stuff and by the way i can't wait to pre. This is a family program. I can't wait is need to edit that out to pre read. Your is atheism debt. I'm champing at the bit. It's not chomping at the bit. You told us you can say but camping is better champing. I just see a horse chomping instead of champing. I don't know what that's all. They chop on carrots but they champ the bit. There you go okay now. It's all straightened out. Okay i want to start with. This is just a wet. Your beak kind of run facts friday because in a week or two. we're going to do a much more fuller segment. Okay but much more fuller. How much more. Full or how about just fuller. Okay see now. I've been corrected again. Thank you professor metaxas. We got a a medical lessons from now be fuller. It's going to be more fuller in fact it's going to be much more fuller here. We don't now this first. One is a true or false fact now. This is kind of a fun thing to start us off with. Okay now. You have to tell me whether you think this is true or false. Okay there's a brand of underwear for senior citizens called late bloomers okay. I know that that's false. But i know that it's so clever that you made it up an underwear for senior citizens called late bloomers. That's very clever but it seems too clever for somebody actually have used it to create underwear for senior citizens because senior citizens would say. Why do i need special underwear. Exactly i kind of came up with that idea on a bike ride however then golden and believe it or not. There is actually. It's mostly false because it's not for senior citizens there's actually like an antique underwear you can buy. That's called late bloomers. And it's like they. They made it into a fashion called late. Bloomer iowa numerous well. That's what a wonderful fun fact. I've learned on this friday. Thank you my. Life is almost richer although not okay now. Here is the first question i want to see. If you know the answer to this should have your dad at least from the old country in ancient greece okay. What particular fruit was seen as a symbol for venus the goddess of love. What particular fruit. I think probably socrates. Oh i'm sorry. Venus for the The persimmon or the pomegranate. Or the apple. Don't tell me say it again. Okay it's what It's a symbol of venus the goddess of love love. Okay i can give you know which okay figs no Pomegranates ramona harare. Meyer lemons no air lansky who in. It's not watermelon either. Let me just tell it to you. And by the way guess where. I got this information from well. You said you know. My father is not an ancient greek. He's an older. Greek was not quite ancient. I know but he doesn't go back to. Antiquity was nineteen he did he did. But the answer is strawberry. Now that honestly that i would not have known to. Well you cannot. You cannot despite the fact when you find it on a snapple lid. Okay you read it on a snapple. I did what could be more pathetic all right now much. They don't even sponsor this show. Okay here's something serious. This is quote. I want to see if you know who said this. I shall allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him. I shall now shall not allow. I shall i shall allow no man to be little my soul by making me hate him. I'll give you a few choices. Martin luther king billy graham don rickles brooker t. washington or dick cheney. What's the first one martin. Luther king billy. Graham don rickles. Br booker t. washington are of course. Dick cheney brooker t. wash mar. It's either martin. Luther king or booker t. washington. You got it down to on. no. I know it's one of them. Yeah read it again. Okay i show allow no man to belittle my soul by making him hate me. It doesn't sound like the cadence of martin luther king junior so it has to be booker. T. washington is. Oh five okay. Another quote real quick. It's a serious one excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way is to hang on. I just wanna see booker t. Washington is in my book. Seven more men lots people because it was the cova d- year don't realize that i wrote seven men seven women than i wrote seven more men and because it came out during cova a lot of people don't know that they go. I wish you could do more. Why did more seven more men. Booker. t. washington stories in it and honestly. Yeah it is um as the most amazing story in the book. So that's why. That's not why i knew that i was. I was guessing. It was an educated. Guess the next question but that was one more quote here. Excellence is the do a common thing in an uncommon way. And i'm going to give you the exact same list. Martin luther king billy graham don rickles booker t. washington or dick cheney okay. You're doing the so quickly slowly again overtime. So either martin. Luther king billy. Graham don rickles booker t. washington or dick cheney. It's definitely booker. T. washington it is and i threw a curveball at you. Both of them booker. T. doesn't i almost threw in. Thomas edison the throw you off but yeah no that's That was That steps so booker t. Said both those things. yeah well. this is He wasn't amazing. Guy up from slavery is the other thing you have reason. I didn't know about. Oh i'm sorry. What am i talking about. This is this is like I mentioned george washington carver. Not booker. t. wash. I literally confuse them because george washington carver used to do things in in strange ways that he would create things like people know we figured it. A thousand uses not. Yeah yeah so. It wasn't it was. I'm stupidly saying booker. T. washington well. I got it right both times. You did. But i didn't mean george washington carver. Obviously i'm in brooklyn. He fortunately i was thinking about my book. The time lucky for you. We'll be back with francis chan. He's gonna get the clouds were folks. 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Let's see if we can get you at a pain to relieffactor dot com relieffactor dot com or call eight hundred five hundred eight three eight four eight hundred five hundred eight three eight four relieffactor dot com. I use it. It works morning. Hey there folks. Exciting you ready to talk to. Francis chan francis chan. I didn't really. I just knew he was kind of a big deal. He wrote this big deal. Book called crazy love. But i don't keep up with everything. So i met him As i think. I mentioned a few times when i was in kansas city at mike bickel's big international house of prayer kansas city fellowship. And i just Grew to know him and love him. And i just thought wouldn't it be fun to have him on the program so you could meet him to francis chan. Come on in welcome so good to see you man and miss you. It's good to see you. And i miss you too. I miss your voice. You've got a funny voice. You crack me up a friend of mine. I realize that you kind of when you do your full comic mode. When you're preaching you get in that you get all tortured and stuff and you go on you. Sound like you're cross between gilbert godfried and you'll brinner. I'm glad you don't know who they are. Because you'd be insulted and blessed at the same time. Look you and i got to know each other. We kid around a lot. So you speak my love language But the joy of being in kansas city for me was processing it with you because both of us are astonished by some of this prophetic stuff and his holy spirit stuff. And we're kind of looking at each other 'cause we don't we believe it but we're just blown away. Can you talk about that a little bit. Because that's part of what gets to this unity message of people coming from different streams quote unquote to to sort of try to see things through each other's is talk about that a little bit towards me and i was so glad you were there because you would ask the questions like way. Tell me. is this vision where you're actually air. You know you're asking all the things that i was thinking because it's different to us. These guys are talking about miracles like we talk about brushing our teeth. Like it's just then this happened in this happened. You're wait a second. This is fascinating. Have you documented this. Do you have proof of this. Can you show me doctors records regarding this right and and then you've got this other guy chris who is like reading our mail telling us things about our own lives and our friends at we're going. How did you know that you couldn't have known that you can't even research that online and so we're just sitting there amazed at these stories that have this like history over the last fifty years of things coming true. Just like these guys said. And i'm skeptical. You're skeptical not cynical right. I mean that's the whole that. I wanna be your fool if you're not a little skeptical and there are people in the body of christ that they're foolish they'll believe anything and then they. They can practically lose their faith when it's proved to be untrue because they're not really being wise. There are people that will share things. And i think we have an obligation. Say we wait a minute when it happen. How did this happen because some people that was a miracle. And i would say like. I don't know that that's a miracle that might be a nice blessing or coincidence but you know a miracle. That's when god shows up clearly and he does so don't confuse that with got a parking spot or whatever anyway but you. When did you first of all you have a book out called until unity just came out a few months ago and you preached a message on unity. That really moved me. It was just an amazing mazing message. And i know it's online. I've shared a lot of people have watched it. But you said something there which i'll never forget. You said that you looked at mike. You looked at me and you said. I'm i'm standing with you and you said when you stand with someone you inherit their enemies that was a huge statement Just say a little more about that because that's just the beautiful you know. I think you know sometimes in the christian world we're like. Oh yeah unity. I love your ira. This is great. This is beautiful and they don't realize the cost in that a there's a cost for you having me on your show right now Suddenly am using veep viewers. Like crazy right. Now they're just don. You're not even listening anymore. Yeah those followers drop off. I mean it is anyone who has an issue with me going. I can't believe eric would have him on his show and in the same way. I don't know if you're aware but some people don't like you as well. I know i know just just going to believe that. So now suddenly is like francis. Went on the eric metaxas show. I mean this is just this satanic. Let's tear them apart. Let's get them afraid to become friends it you know. Here's jesus commanding. You and i who are spirit filled people who trust the jesus died on the cross were sons of god and yet we feel this pressure like what we better not get too close even though jesus commanded us to love each other as much as he loves. I uh that we're feeling this pressure from the quote unquote christian world to kind of hold each other arms laying. Then there's all this pressure to do the exact opposite of what jesus commanded. Well let's put it this way. The reason i think it's silly. When people say i don't like you i think the myself look i don't like me either. You jug handle like i. There's a lot of stuff about me that i don't like so. What are you accusing their you accusing me of loving everything about myself and being totally sure. I'm right about everything. I'm not but if you love me. You can lovingly challenge me and maybe helped me to see something that i missed because maybe i did miss it but if you shy away from people you'll never be able to love them toward the truth and that to me is the problem. I've got many friends that are you know they think i've lost my mind politically or something but i won't turn my back on them. I don't care if you strongly disagree with me. Let me be your friend. let me love you. We don't even need to talk about that stuff but a lot of those folks won't talk to me. Something happened in their world where they can't break bread with somebody who thinks the way i do and i thought so. Why do i want to hang out with you even though we disagree. But you don't hang out with me. And i think it's you're buying into you know we call a cancel culture but it's graceless is to say that i'm gonna find something about you. You're out and i think i don't know why. Gosh i'm so glad you said that even at first part 'cause i actually write about that in my book if you've read any of my books but there are so short and so clumsy i'll knock it out on on the subway ride home. Hey i finished on hoffer since we were together. I finished two weeks ago. A harrowing read. I can see that you've lost your hair over this. It'll it'll go back. This happens a lot of people francis but are you serious. You read that book. That's such a i mean. Look it's got nothing to do with me. it's a. It's a harrowing beautiful story of a man of god. So i'm glad that you read thank you. Thank you read the abridged edition. No i read the whole thing. I read the whole six hundred pages. It's it's a record for me. So you ought to be flattered and i bow to you as a writer. You are gifted kind. Thank you so but what i was saying. Was i talk about how the exact same thing you said. I don't like francis chan either. I train i'm want him crucified with christ. So it's no longer francis who lives but christ who lives in me so we're in agreement here. Isn't that crazy right. it's crazy. It's like the enemy. Saying i see your sin and you're like yeah i see it too and because i see it i gave it to jesus and he sees it and he forgave it and he's loving me. We'll cancel cultures the opposite of that. It just kind of wanna tag. You not realizing what. I wanna tag myself. I wanna i wanna find those since. I wanna repent of them. Like why would you think i don't. That's what it means to be a christian. Isn't it anyway. I was just really moved by what you said that night. And i i'll i'll just have to post that a again. I whenever i have folks on here. I had chris redon. Actually we won't air it 'til monday but i like to know people stories and i didn't get to hear your story. Can you share with us. What kind of a world did you grow. Up in a wendy. Do come to faith I know your boss the parent early-on year well. I was born in san francisco but my mother actually died when she gave birth to me and so my dad's sent me to hong kong to grow up with my grandparents than he remarried. Came back to the states When i was like five and then my stepmother died in a car. Accident has about eight. My dad got married again that he died of cancer when i was twelve. And so you know my time. I'm a middle school. I've lost three parents already in just got me thinking about i. I'm not guaranteed tomorrow. I i saw my dad right there. And now he's gone. Saw my stepmom. She's right there. She's gone revenue my mom. So it makes you live with this brevity of life and searching for answers. And when i began studying the scriptures gosh the way god would answer my prayers when i began to believe in jesus and started this relationship it is set me on this journey and now i'm in my fifties seven kids two grandkids. Just life is wondering kids and no gray hair. That's unbelievable we're coming right back. 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Fino frequency playing exclusively on salem now dot com or download the mobile app for more information visit final frequency film dot com folks. Welcome back. i'm talking. To francis chan francis. Just you from the moment i met you. You crack me up. You make me smile like there's something going on. And i just enjoy you when you spoke that sermon. Which again your book is called until unity. But you preach a sermon on unity and stuff and you did stuff. I mean i was dying because you know you you he said okay mic bickel and you start talking about mike and how you know because he moves in this crazy supernatural stuff that for you to ally yourself with them even just as a friend people will go want to cancel you that you inherited his enemies and then you said something about chris. Read and as soon as you spoke about when i was like. Oh no this. He's going to go down the line. he's coming to me and sure enough. You get to me and you say some uncomfortable stuff about me. Which of course cracks me up at the same time. i'm cringing but i in all seriousness. I want to ask you what this is just in terms of what we were just talking about this total transparency. I trust you when you say that. I say things that are bothered you or or or this or that or whatever like i always really wanna know what like am i missing something because i maybe i don't need to hear it because i already know you know like i know what i'm saying. Something or this or that or maybe. I'm being political and people go like oh. I don't think we should say this or say that but you spoke some really funny stuff. It was like even as it's hitting me. I'm laughing because the way you said it. And but i want to be honest about that. I'm not no. I'm not worried about their. I'm ready to let go of something if it's not. Jesus yeah i mean. I think what you do is similar to what i do. We are very in the moment like right now. I'm focused and i'm thinking what do you want me to say right now. And that's great. It's fun it's spontaneous too we are. We don't lose that. But i think sometimes you'll make a statement and if a person knows you right okay. Then it's like oh yeah. That's that's era in context. That makes sense. You're right they don't row you write. It can sound like that arrogant right you know. He doesn't love this group of all. But i get it now. I so now. This challenges me right. Because i literally don't know which way that breaks because i think to myself wait a minute. I used to worry too much about what i said. I was so worried that i didn't say anything. And then i think as you get older you lose some of that. But it's kind of interesting because i think to myself. Wh is my problem that not enough people know me And so people kind of reading the at a context. Because i know i challenged people i kinda come at so many different things right sometimes. I'm like mr comedian joke. Doug other times. Mr bond hoffer other times. And if you don't know who i really am and you reading me. I mean this happened a lot with trump. Like he would say something. I'm from queens new york. And i come from a world. That's not filled with christians. And i'd be like i know exactly what he's saying but there would be. These people have people leave. He just said this. I like are you kidding. That's like my uncle. You if you know him he's but they would kind of parse his sentences and boom and and i thought we're kind of living in challenging times in because you do have to have grace for people. Somebody says something and you have to say. Did they really say what could make them sound bad just by quoting them. But is that what you meant. So that's that's what's happened to me a lot. So i do. I want to be honest. I struggle with that. And i struggle with my responsibility to other people. Do i have responsibility to be so careful how you know you know what i'm saying. Yeah because i i listened to. You made a comment about cloud banner and but then you explained it later like you guys are not talking about like do i believe black lives matter like that is ridiculous to even question that i'm talking about behind the scenes concerned about this i'm talking about marxist movement and but we're really gets dark though francis's because the that that phrase has been taken over by people who i think are harming black people that so it gets really crazy anyway. Yeah no i get it. I've been accused of things where i go. That is the most ridiculous like one time. I was talking about the one time in my life. I saw doing miracles through me and i just made the comment like i'm living new testament like i'm jesus right now you know now. Sure some clown takes hold that says look francis claims to be the messiah and on like. Have you ever heard me speak in my entire life. Every message i give is about. He is way up there. And who am. I in comparison to his holiness. But let's take the sound francis says he is. The messiah will the guy that did that. He may not realize it but he might as well say. I am the devil because that is the voice of the devil. That's the accusers voice. To grab what you say at a context to hit you with it. That's happened to me a million times and just the spirit behind it. it's certainly not jesus. We know we know that it's people that just want to hurt you because they don't like you they don't like something about i want to ask you about your experience with mike bickel. How did you coming from where you are. Come to be friends with somebody. Who is you know in a different part of the pool. Yeah it was kind of an accident. Invited me to speak at a conference. You know i looked at it. The thousands of young people I said yes in the end. Suddenly i got all this hate mail of why did you say yes to him. And i'm thinking. Oh man why did i say yes to him was seen he seemed. Okay the you know. And so when i got there i had so many questions for him. Any show gracious in answering them. All and not defensive at all. And i'm gonna love. This guy is pretty amazing. As i talked to his staff. Talk to the people who know him talk to his wife. The people that live right there with him every year i would. This guy is one of the most humble god fearing men. I've met and god is worked through him supernatural. He is sacrificed so much for. The kingdom is dedication is knowledge. Forgive me i'm getting the sign. We'll be right back. Folks talking to francis chan. Don't go away. Hey their parents. Have you been as frustrated as i've been with the messages are kids are being taught today in schools and in the media cancelled culture. Woke his victimhood socialism. Lots of bad ideas are bombarding our kids. If you're like me you struggle figure out how to teach your kids about good ideas like free. Markets personal freedom entrepreneurship and more. That's why i'm so glad to have come across the tuttle twins books. These kids books helped parents teach their kids conservative ideas. What's amazing is that they've sold over point five million books already so clearly they work kids love them parents love. The kids are learning the ideas of freedom. I talked the tuttle twins team into doing a special deal for my listeners. That's you you need to go to tuttle twins dot com and use the coupon code metaxas tuttle twins dot com. Use the coupon code metaxas. They're gonna give you forty percent off the kids books and also include all their activity workbooks for free. That's a huge deal. So if you've got kids and want to make sure they're not brainwashed with better ideas do your family favor and get the tuttle twins. Books tunneled twins dot com. Use the coupon code metaxas. Aga there folks. i'm talking francis chan. What does that irish francis you lived in hong kong as a kid. You said yeah. I five years of my life and you were raised. I mean what you just shared in a few seconds about losing your mother in childbirth losing a a stepmother losing your father like. I cannot imagine what that would be like. When did jesus become like real to you. Did you have a born again moment or was it a process. How how did that work for you. It was a process. But i would say in high school Youth pastor you not went to a youth group that some friends took me to and he got me started reading the bible and into this relationship. Where i'm up six. Am as a high school student every day. Trying to begin this relationship with jesus as an it was fascinating like the way he would answer prayers like all the stories we heard in kansas city. So many of those things began to happen in my life as a teenager. And i just i just was on fire. I just thought. I need to tell everyone about this. Jesus owes high school where it all started for me. And when did you did. Did you ever experience the miraculous or you hanging out with those people. And at what point you get with a group of people that says this is not for today. Yeah that wasn't until show. I believed in it. Because i see this scripture and i would But i never saw miracles. Other than supernatural answers to prayer. When i would pray but i never saw the miracles when it went off to bible college and seminary. They told me that doesn't happen anymore. That stuff seized after the the bible was was canonized so I didn't believe in it for for many years. Even though i did as a kid but once i went to seminary that that one way and but it wouldn't you hear stories from missionaries or something. I always feel like you bump into missionaries. They tell you some insane story. You know it's real challenge you or did you. Just kind of put that in a box missionary box. Yeah i don't know. I kind of put it in a box and i was pretty hard core like this doesn't happen today. But then you do begin these relationships with people you begin to trust and they look you in the iron go. No this happened to me. Well it's kind of like what we were going through in kansas. Where like gosh. That's hard to believe. But it's not. Because i look in the bible and go that perfectly squares with the bible. I just don't see that often. Yeah so. I think that's where it began to be surprising to me when people i trusted said no. I've seen things just like you read about in the bible. Well that's part of the challenge. Isn't it that people who don't believe in the stuff hanging out with people who don't believe in it and the people who believe in it hang out with people believe in it and i noticed and this is what why it was fun to process would happen in in kansas city with you is because you're living in this stuff sometimes. They're very annoying. because they don't give it sufficient. Wow like they just say you know and then the guy turns into a bird and flies away. And you'll hey. Hey hey shut up. what did you just say. what are you going to say. Like the guy's arm literally grew back from the stump. Did you did you say that. What's wrong with you like you say like like chewing gum. You just talked about an insane miracle but they kind of act like well. Yeah they don't seem to be able to give it context so unless you part of that world you just think those people are just kind of half nuts. they're not perceiving the same reality. I got to tell you the story because after a kansas city. You know might. my two. Teenage kids went to summer. Camp with andy at wymondham and my son faced times me. I'm driving to la. And he's like dad. I mean he's just freaking out fifteen years old he goes. You don't jimmy his friend jimmy. Who has like this. He's been talking like that since he was a kid. he's seventeen. I wanna pay for an operation anything. Nothing doctors can do serious whilst that bad is horrible. I thought i will pay for. Tell me how much i don't want. That kid growing up blake that he's at camp first night. Everyone is getting healed. Jimmy is singing and suddenly bull. His voice turns into a man's voice. He freaks out runs on stage in starts preaching in a man's voice. You know hundred highschoolers renaming my son just like cline falls on his face in the fear of god and you know but as he's explained any hands of the jimmy and he's talking to me like this and i'm going what in the world just happened to you. He's crying parents are crying. I mean this it happens and you know i've even seen it happened several times since we've been together but i'm still like blown out of my mind. My kids are blown out of their mind. But that's where. I think we bothered when people talk about it like. Oh yeah. Blind guy opened his eyes and he saw everything. I know and you think wait a minute. That should be in the papers. You understand like that's a big deal and they're like i don't know i don't i don't get it. We talked about other stuff we talked about. I mean you were in san francisco for a long time and we talked about the gays gauge. How hard that is suddenly for the church to navigate because we have this biblical ethic and we know we wanna love people where they are so a lot of times. We don't talk about something because other people talk about it too much and navigating that and my answer is that there is no answer. You can get it wrong in either direction. I keep thinking of the the fifteen or sixteen year old boy who is struggling with something and nobody is giving him truth and hope they're just saying this is the path for you and if you don't go down this you're denying something fundamental or whatever and i i. My heart goes out to that kid. Basically who is growing up in a culture where you're even the church is not talking about helping him in a lot of people interested. They don't believe in that kind of heat that you could be healed or changed or anything like that so it's just hard. There's no right answer. And i think the key is like what you said. Your heart goes out to him. It's about this. Love like looking at a human being in loving them show deeply from within otherwise like i corinthians thirteen says. You're just like this noisy gong. You're just like this grading sound in his ears rather than going cash pie love you so much and and when i read this book we're going gonna stand before god and and he loves you. This is who he is but we are gonna stand before him and so out of love you want to be honest with some of these things in and at least encourage them he just just look at this book but let me tell you something this god created you. He knows everything about you. He loves you mentor. Stop in me to how. Let's pick this up. We're going to another break folks. I'm talking to francis chan. You're not going anyplace shine a little bit of folks couple. Minutes left with francis chan francis. We're talking about that issue about love and how we can get it wrong in both directions. And i know i have. I know i have and it's hard because we don't want to be talking about theology and rules all the time but sometimes it's the right thing to do and i'm just worried. The reason i become so outspoken. May to the point of too much is. Because i'm worried that everybody's pulled back there frayed to speak and i'm thinking there people out there who need to hear some hope or something different. They're just not hearing it anymore. It's not like it would have been thirty or fifty years ago and it's it's one of those things where we don't ever wanna make one segment of christianity or or one command like the totality of it all brain. I one of one of my favorite tests. You know getting beckett coke. I've had him on this program. He's way better guests than you love. Beckham one of my favorite statements was he was sharing about after he fell in love with god and began his relationship with god. He tells one of his friends and his friend looks at him and says well you know you can't keep sleeping with guys in and becca just looks at me goes seriously. You wanna talk about sex. He goes. I just told you i know the god of the universe and you about sex and the way we set up like that's it. That's what i'm trying to communicate like. We're talking about knowing the one who us and made us but we put sexuality and everything's the way beckett. I screamed when. I heard him talk like that. Okay finally someone who gets it. We are talking about knowing god. What arrogant you're talking about right now is knowing the creator. The judge this savior saying that we are partake of the divine nature. And so what. Color my skin is you know my my my sexual desire that. That's that's an a different category. We're talking about knowing god and that's our heart in. That has to come through. And i think so often we can talk about issues almost in a way that i find the whole thing fun anytime i've talking you find funny but i'd like to me. It's funny on both sides because the reason his friend said that because his friends like well you know in other words. Do you know wait a minute. You know that you can't do this anymore because the friends kind of wondering do you. Do you get that. Whatever so the good. The good news is that beckett's like yes and by the way like i'm so past that but sometimes you want to check like are you like. Are you tracking there. Because you do talk to people that say i'm a christian and then i kind of want to be like what would it be like born again like you read the bible. You love jesus or you just saying christian. Because i'm gentile because i'm not a jew. I'm not so. It's it's just funny as i said i think sometimes there's no right answer and i just find it. Funny that in the message. We were best but i love beckett and we need to get him back. Come on this program. Why did you write. But we've just got like thirty seconds. Why'd you write a book called until unity. Because it is all over the new testament. God's heart for us to become perfectly wine. Meanwhile in our twenty first century evangelical church everyone bashing each other and believing. They're doing that. In the name of god and i just think it grieves the heart of god and i wanna be busy doing what he commanded us to do when he returns and i see unity as a huge huge theme in our only chance at reaching the world. Well i'm glad to have unity with you. My friend francis chan. I know that the lord is already using you to bless me to enlarge my heart Just grateful for you. I hope to see you in person sooner. Rather than later Give my best to your wife. God bless you talk to you.

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18 - Jennie and Francis Chan Talk about Unity and the Church.

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18 - Jennie and Francis Chan Talk about Unity and the Church.

"This is jenny allen at you are listening to the made for this podcast. Thanks to rocky's her supporting made for this rotties comfortable washable and sustainable shoes and bags getting dressed easy. Checkout all the amazing shoes bags and masks of right now at rockies dot com slash made for this and now here are johnny and francis chan. Guys this is such a selfish treat for me. If you've got to watch if gathering you know that one of my favorite parts was friday night and what we did was we got to talk with. Francis chan about what it looks like to give our lives away for jesus and and then after that pastor from the underground church shared what that looks like for him and the whole night. Just had me a puddle and honestly zaken i. This isn't just content to me. I don't just host a conference so people come. I'm following god and hopefully y'all are following god with me as i do it and and i after the conference we sat and talked at length about the night. And what does that mean for us. And how do we take everything odds given us and use it for his glory and and like we always do. We always are asking. God is there. Is there something we're missing. Is there something more you have for us. And i my prayer is. That's exactly what happens again today. That francis chan is here. We're gonna talk about what it looks like for the of god to come together in unity and guys. We are so far from this home. My gosh we're so far from this and could anything 'cause a more powerful witness to go out right now in the world than unity. I don't have chill bumps just imagining it. Because i actually can't imagine it's it's something god's given me his picture that it's possible that we can cross denominational lines that we can cross racial divisions that we can cross every single thing that might separate us and and come together and partly. Because i've seen it through you. I've seen you do this. I've seen you do this if gathering and and so i know it's possible but yet we are so far from it so francis thank you so much for coming to talk about something like this because it is it is a place where we got has to be looking down and thinking what what is he thinking now about the church. The civically in the west. And how we're doing when it comes to unity gosh so encouraging to hear you so passionate about this because this is this is more recent for me. I i always looked at it as impossible anyway. So let me just stick to my circle and then there's so many threats if you move outside of your circle and wiz live in such a weird time where you don't even have to change reviews just being friends with someone from another denomination and exploring and listening and just gone. I just want to hear what you have to say. I don't know if i'm right about everything i mean. I i used to think i was right about everything. You know you graduate from seminary everything but the older you get you go kosh. You seem like an incredibly godly man or woman. And i feel like i have something to learn from you but the moment you start even exploring that you might be off on one detail of your theology just get hammered by your own circle and so it kind of keeps people afraid to go cash. Maybe the circle is bigger than i thought. And maybe i'm starting to see some things in my own circle that i really don't like and don't think are accurate. Have you ever read the book living streams of water where it talks about the different ways that the the denominations were birthed. It's such a great book you would love it it. It basically says the methodist came out of this passion for justice and and the charismatics came out of this passion for the holy spirit and and it just shows that. Got everybody when you read it. You realize all of these divisions in denominations you empathize with with. What they saw was a weakness now again at the very end of all of them. None of us are perfect right like our beliefs. Nobody's beliefs are an air it but it is possible to see good in denominations. That are not the same as us yeah. I haven't read that. I want to go now that you say that i was actually just telling my daughter. I need to explore that logo more. I wanna see where everything broke off because there was a time you know you read acts ford and you go wait. The full number of believers were one in heart and soul. Wait the full number like all of them were one you know and had everything in common is said. Have everything annulment it. We are so far off. Yeah yeah but it's possible it it it it shows that it was possible But now that we've split off into these thousands of groups you know it can feel impossible but all it takes is for us to humbly you know. Come for him and say god. I really want this. I really want this. I really wanted. I wish i lived back then. I wish i could taste it. Can we taste it now. Would you do something even if it hurts us. Even if you need exposed is do whatever you need to do. But i want the. Because i see how much you want this and you had your son die so this could happen in. Were making a mockery of that. If we don't care. I think if asians for and i mean your book had me in tears from the first few verses because you actually say the thing that my heart is craving most in this really is one of the things that can make me cry at a moment's notice because i do feel like if we could get this right in our generation we would see revival like this is the thing that could set it afire fire. And i'm just so grateful that that this is the topic your tackling right now. Because i don't always know how to tackle it. It's for me. it's more of. I can picture it happening. I read an officiant for follow one. God we are under one baptism that we are one body. So i read that and i go okay. That is just not a reality. What keeps us from that and there are several things that you're right about that are keeping us from that. Of course obviously our sin but let's talk really specifically what that sin is in our culture. Because i have friends. And i did this last week. I sat down with a girl that really disagreed with the fact that we handled or talked about racial reconciliation on our stage. She said that just further divides everything. And i said okay. Well that's definitely not my endgame. My endgame is unity. And and you tell me how we can not talk about it and end in unity like build that case. I'm very curious and of course you know she didn't but i i am looking for the road to it and it feels so hard in fact even when i'm trying to build unity it feels like it keeps exploding a little further so let's go really specific into the issues of our day and what is breaking down. Yeah i i think there's a lot that's going on that people don't realize for example like when i graduated from seminary i really i love jesus and i. I was told that that i. I've got a fix. All these people in their theological views and stay away from them. Keep a distance on read books by this guy. This guy this girl you know. You're just. I know okay. Okay okay. And i really thought i was doing that in the name of jesus and even to the point where i was mocking these other believes and and so i think sometimes it's not even saying okay. You're not a believer. 'cause you're you're trying to divide the church it's more just consider what you were taught get to know people that may be you know you've view differently interview things differently and just see if the spirit is in them really believe in the the blood of christ in a washing over there send in the holy spirit really sanctifying them and you end up meaning godly godly where you go. Whoa his prayer live or the way she studies. The scriptures is very convicting to me. And then you see the way they love others and go. Ooh that looks more like a holy spirit than what you could see in my life and it just it just gets you to question yourself rather than you know telling everyone else at. They're wrong. And so i think sometimes he's kind happen or we get going on them and we're not trying to divide the church i wasn't tryout it's i mean that's a terrifying thought is just that we were doing it and we thought we were doing it in the name of jesus god just teaches you over time so i hear you saying one of those things is protection right like. That's what i would think if we had somebody on. Because i know exactly you know the side that you're talking about because i was raised in that side. I went to seminary. And i walked out with a lot of fear. Right of just keeping everything in this little box and making sure you know. This is what i believed and granted. We do need protection. I mean we've we've both seen people go off the rails into you know outside of orthodoxy. So what is that tension. And how do we play that out where we're humble and we're learning that we're also not just accepting and undiscerning. Yeah yeah. I think when you start pursuing unity like like you are right now. You're you want. This people will accuse you of well. She wants unity at the expense of truth. I why do you put that. I've been accused. I'm mike i'm saying specifically i'm not saying that like right. You need to fight for truth but is not just this little step child that we don't care about as much we're we're commanded to pursue both accuracy and i want holiness. I mean god hates sin and so we have to fight to purify the church. We're not saying unify and you know so. Whatever you think is right for you is right for you. No not at all. But there's we have to keep all three we're not where okay well if you pursue truth and you can't have unity and you know there's a way to do it and i'm not saying even have that way i i'm just saying okay. Here's some ways that we can start. I would you just humble yourself. You know get in the presence of god in realize we need him for this and to pray for it and and to pursue it and ask him to expose any ways that you're off. But i i don't know how to do it. I just know. I'm commanded to pursue holiness and theological accuracy as i pursue the oneness of the body of christ And i i love that in your book you talked about that that are these things mutually exclusive. Do they immediately exclude each other. And you say they can't. I mean the word of god says there possible together and so that is exciting to me. Because i've actually seen there'll be a shift in that the darker the world gets and honestly the more it becomes Less common to be a christian in the west. There's an exciting thing happening. And it's i really think the church is underground. Unifying doesn't feel like it online. But i actually have seen Streams come together in a way. That that i haven't ever seen that before in my lifetime and so that gives me hope we don't have it perfectly spelled out in scripture right so this is one of those things where i mean you think about that first division you know. In ten fifty four you know where the orthodox and the roman catholic on a sunday. Whoa there's two churches now and you look at the issue that they divided over and it's it's it's like whoa so you're trying to figure out this one word and how to interpret it and does the holy spirit come. The father and the son are just a father and but no one had the exact answer of now that sheridan split us in that or that short and obviously other issues too but it is just like a now now. We're you know thousand years from that and we're splitting over everything and i. I'm not saying. I have the answer to all of that. I do have faith that you know there may come a day that you may teach some things that are just out there away from the core gospel. You know all we really have biblically. You have that for scranton's fifteen and you've got the. The gospel laid out there and to deviate from that is is clearly falls into that galatian. One like accursed. Because you're not teaching the same gospel but people are are starting to just take anything and say oh because she believes or he believes that in. It's not core gospel truth and they're just dividing in the hard thing is i don't know i gotta believe the holy spirit is leading me and that that you to him right and as long as i'm waking up with a genuine reverence for god like on my knees like god i just wanna do right by you. I just want you know the unity that you want. And i don't ever want to lead your church in the wrong way. You possess all knowledge so show me teach me. I'll say anything. I'll doing if you want certain people groups to hit me. That's okay is not about me. It's about your name being. Hallo it. In god i believe that you dwell with me because of my trust in the blood of jesus i believe you dwell with me that your spirit is in me and he will guide me in my conversations in these directions and i don't want my flesh to get in the way so help me because i don't have answers to all of these things but for now let me just balance your feet and worship you in a door you and just stare at you in silence and gaze at your beauty hype just got to believe the spirits gonna lead me as i as i converse that. He's the one that's You heard that in that is. Here's a scripture. Here's where that's off and you need to say something and i do. That's exactly right and it's not an easy thing for people to hear because they go. Well what does that mean you know. How does spirit leads you. And it's like well. It's a relationship and there have been times that i have had to do the hard thing and choose truth above the the relationship and had to do it in ways that republican it was it was excruciatingly hard for me. I'm a relational unity person. But the lord lead me in those moments and said this is a was. It was something that that i knew was right because of the relationship i have with god and i knew what to do because of that and i don't know how to explain that no we'll probably get some haters right now just the fact that i walk with god like that but but it's true that's that's how we've got to walk with my sheep. Hear my voice that will know how to follow him and let the scriptures play out in our lives as we walk with him. Well you guys in his been. Gosh probably a couple of weeks. Now that i have been wearing my rockies sneakers and let me tell you they're the most comfortable and breathable shoes that i own roffe. Shoes are so comfortable zero break in. 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I've said that again and again but i think there's something unique right now in the world that you and i live in with the public sphere that causes this to be a little different than what the scriptures talked about which was largely relationships between individuals and local contexts. So talk us a little bit about how that's complicated unity for us. Oh gosh it you know something. I've been very convicted about Recently as you know just trying to clear my mind. Like peter says you know like we have to be sober-minded for the sake of our prayers self-controlled in sober-minded for the sake of our prayers like trying to pray sometimes in silence just to pray the lord's prayer and mean every word of it without my mind going here here here is so hard and i just realized god i talked too much. I listened to interviews just recently that one in particular. I don't like to listen to myself. But i heard one and i didn't like how i sounded like. Oh god i sound defensive. I sound arrogant. God help me why you know. It's out of the overflow of my heart. I have this anxiety. Fix things and everything else. I don't that doesn't sound like a guy who has just been in your presence in silence in awe over you. That doesn't sound like a guy who just say hallo would be your name. I'm trying to protect mine and that is so wrong. God they don't want to be that person and so. I need to sit in silence and and i really want to be one who who says i must. I must figure out a way to decrease in you must increase and and that hasn't been the mindset of a most ministers nowadays and it hasn't been almost like this i must increase. Show that i can bring you up. Jesus i must inquiry so that you can increase like no god. I've got to figure out a way where where the name francis chan doesn't draw people. The name of jesus does right. I've got to decrease. God help me and and this will right for me. I've had to stay away from social media. Because i know mike competitive nature. I know my defensive side. And and and god help me how we figure out how to navigate this world in a way that i make much of you and i must. I must decrease somehow father and we we need to get back to those sacred elements in this about the body and blood of jesus and bowing before him and worshiping ham and getting more excited about the presence of christ than we are of of each other. We've talked about that before but it's like no. This generation has to kill this whole celebrity thing. Somehow that about you know. I love it so much because it is. It's the biggest fear. I actually emailed with your wife when we first got into this. I got my first publishing contract. And i emailed your wife because i did see you as someone fighting this right and trying to do this in a way that the brought glory to god and it scared me i was like i don't know if this road is. I know he called us to make disciples. Think i could do that with books. And that kind of thing. But i'm really more scared that all just get to heaven and god was like man on this day you went after this thing and it. It changed everything. And so that war of why we do what we do is what you're talking about. It's it's why we do what we do. And i think what you're saying even though you've talked about it over and over again and talk about the book to there's not another answer like there's not okay. Here's three steps. It's like no. Our view of god will shape our view of people. It will shape our view of ourselves. And so what you're saying is you you get that right. You spend time with him. And the overflow will be the thing were craving but we're living in a noisy generation. And what i heard you say as you cut it off the way that the scriptures about cut off your arm if it's causing you to send and you've kind of done that in a lot of different ways francis. Yeah but i feel like there's more to go like the closer ripen gained to the lower these last few weeks by just practicing more silence being slower to speak and in just trying to really live out that you know this one thing i ask lord is i just wanna i just wanna sit here in your presence in your temple. Stare your beauty in just picture myself before the throne staring at him. And the more i do that the more i realize. He doesn't need me to say so much. In fact i think. I'd be more used to this world. If i said less and i spent more time in silence i mean k for example this right. Now we're talking. I've had some good quiet times. But imagine if i was just in a cave for the last three or four days alone in silence before god and could truly listen. You know like ecclesiastes. These fives draw near to listen rather than offering the sacrifice of fools like and maybe god would speak. You know and point me to specific. I mean he does that every morning with passages but but maybe even stronger if i really sought after me more deeply in i told you hey jenny i can give you three minutes. God only said speak for three minutes and nothing more like you would be like if you told me you did that. I would be like saying what what did he say. What did he say. Give me those three minutes. And so i'm just been wrestling with that. Lord lord is s the next season of my life rather flying around talking. You know ten times a day doing this all day because my heart credit in it seems like amidst all the noise that might be the best way for me to move because i'm hearing so much input and that's what's new about our world right now is no one's ever had this much input and it's really messing up our minds and a detriment to our prayer lives in so i just want to clear. I'm actually thinking about taking my family away. You know rather than like let's get into hong kong you know in retail these people like. I almost feel like we need a break. I'm just talk. And let's just pray in see if god doesn't meet us in any way because we have to have faith that he rewards though too earnestly in if we come before him as a family saying. God i wanna i wanna experience you. We want to experience you. And so we're putting the stuff behind for a bit and we believe that seeking you in this way. The union ward those who earn sluice. Seek you in. We wanna do that as one experience with this group of three that already out of the house but i want to experience at together just more peace mortgages human interaction no screen in between and would our prayers to be more meaningful in what are experienced. God be more meaningful owner. Read a passage real quick Just because i was meditating on this morning this is. I believe the first chapter i memorized as a high school student was john fourteen. Just because i was in the bible quizzing things you know. I did added a high school. Student is a new believer and enter. Think that i've known this my whole life but never really known it. So i prime memorized this and have had in my head for forty years and i'm looking at it this morning. Barely see john. Fourteen twenty one. Whoever has my commandments in keeps them he. It is who loves me in. He who loves me will be loved by my father in. I will love him and manifest myself to him. Judas said lord. How is it that you will manifest yourself to us and not to the world. Jesus answered him. If anyone loves me he will keep my word and my father will love him and we will come to him and make our home with him. Can you said that you would manifest yourself to us like what does that mean you know. I was in my tradition. We just quickly know. Just means you'll pray this prayer but you know is there. Is there something more. I can experience of you on this earth. Do i really know of his. I knew this i've memorized. I would never deny it but to no like to know that you father and son have made your home with me and you a wide with me and you were going to manifest yourself to me in a way that the world does not see so. It's not just looking at creation. See the beauty of it. I know the creator. No you're going to manifest yourself in a way in god. I don't know what that means. I don't know what it means to be filled with the fullness of god. I believe there's more to being a partake her of the divine nature than just to believe in my my hand. Right for that truth there's some sort of manifestation god is it i i wanted to seek you and i just want experience all i can of you on this earth and maybe just all this talking is keeping me from really seeking you as a human being humbly and just saying jesus as would you manifest yourself to me however the scripture is explaining in the greatest way possible. Because i want more of you. And before i met life on this earth i wanna know i'm really really really experiencing you and close to you. And so out of that overflow my mouth speaks and it will be humble because no one who's been in. The presence of god walks away and just start boasting right. Ice angels little sister him are the most humble and all the talk about how holy he is and so this will happen. Were close to him. And so when we hear people speaking with arrogance when i hear myself talking with arrogance is just a sign. Oh i was not close to him. And i wanna be. I think that could change everything if that was the place. The church was if we all universally were before god and connected to him like how could we. How could we be divided. How could we hate. How could we not listen and and love him. I wanna ask you a hard question. It's the question i ask myself. Sometimes when i'm listening to you it is. Then what because there's the sense of an you aren't oxymoron. This you are so passionate for the nations and that people have jesus which requires our words. And you're so passionate that we be with god and jesus and not use too many words. What is that relationship between those two things year. I mean that's the tension of tried to fight my whole life and right now i see that Way too much in there listening to other people and speaking to other people mode Not saying that we stay in that cave inmate. And i'm not saying that we don't either god may call. Some people do that type of deep deep prayer to stay in it. 'cause we're definitely on the know leaning on the other side of everyone talking. I just believe that there's a power that will accompany the person who's really close to him the abides in him. You know it's like. I said if i spent more time meditating on him and adoring him then. When i did speak it'd be so much more powerful in like people talk about access to you know. Forget that x one was man there in that upper room for ten days. And then peter gibbs what a five minute sermon. And there's a birth of beautiful church three thousand people in miracles in everyone in awe but they spent ten days in prayer and we kind of flip that equation right. Let me give you know all of these messages for the next ten. Eight into a quick ten minute prayer beforehand and Really i mean i'm just saying. Is that the whole thing about insanity. Look at what we're doing and where it's getting us. And so what do i think my next podcast is going to change. The world next book is what's really gonna do it. Everyone's thinking that. And what if we all just went back to silence because we're in this impossible situation. I think of exodus fourteen in there against the red sea and is impossible in moses says in verse fourteen. He says the lord will fight for us. We need only to be silent. And i think okay. That's what we need is. Everyone is maybe out of a good heart trying to say the things that will bring us together. And i'm not gonna may be calling you do that I just know from me personally. I'm hearing words come out of my mouth and they're just coming out too quickly too easily to flippantly rather than really meaning every word. And that's i spent a week. Just praying the lord's prayer because i wanted to mean reword. I wanted to be one word that was coming out of my mouth and really saying it to some one so our or our father you know and it's just you realize when you do that well i say a lot of things i don't mean and i don't wanna do that. Lower wanna own a speak less in speak from the core of my being and use less words but really mean the words i said I fear that some of my words were that noisy kong are cleanings involved. Because they were not said out of a love for you guys are for a deep love for these people. I just sat it. It was true. annoys so yeah i think about that versa lot because you can't i mean all those things were noble all the things in first corinthians it was you know that all my body to the flame as noble as it gets to be a martyr and and yet if we don't have love it's meaningless and so there definitely was a priority. I do see in our culture right now. This tendency in it's not just with truth and love. It's with everything it just feels like you have to be one thing or the other and there has to be a choice and if there's not a public choice or you don't say what you believe about this thing. What are your thoughts about that. Do we just keep pounding the different camps drums. Yeah will yeah. I hear you 'cause there's a lot of pressure you know for for me. Right now is an asian american There's a lot of people as a. Hey speak to this. Speak to this. Speak to this and you don't wanna remain silent when there are victims involved. I i know that you know like like a lot of your life is fighting for those who don't have a voice and you know christine caine in her ministry. That were both a fan of his. You know these. These kids are the victims of horrific thing. Just last night. I was on a reservation in arizona. You know the indigenous sky and i was sickened by my own ignorance of what they've gone through. And so there's a part of me that says i need to speak out. I'm sick over this nation's history. We did this to you my you just you just see your own eytan wins This guy was totally cool. Guys wanna camp. You know here in this. You know where no one else can. And i'm like yeah do it and go just understanding and so you. I'm not saying we don't speak up. I'm saying that you look in scripture. There was a power. I think paul speaks to that. He goes you know you have all these other super apostles in great communicators and they're saying all these things any says. When i get there let's kind of power. They have And so i just. I don't want my howard had just be. Oh i have a gift of communication that yearly flesh you know what i mean like rally bright working for chick-fil-a could you know market and sell right. Try their latest. Like i can do that in the flash but there's a manifestation of the holy spirit is a spiritual gift that has spiritual power that we supposedly have that will look different from just our natural ability and that comes from his deep communion and desire to us that gift for the common good of the church but i believe that something that that paul had because his desire man for me to live is christ such a longing right. There's that tension you're talking. I i love you so much. I so wanted to die right now and your presence i so and how many people do we really here talking like that. I need like like the one with their words and they say and you go. Yeah i can tell that guy obsessed with jesus in cam where and really wants to be with him and how much of it is. Yeah he believes it. I want to believe at like paul. I wanna be so close to you. Like i'm just as estranged from you in some way while one zero experience in to manifest I know there's something that's still greater. And i want more and i think when dad is truly there than the words that come out you know like elijah. Carmel is a few words in there is a power that accompanied it. I just think there's more for me to experience but it won't happen until i stop talking so much. Stop striving sit in more silence in the presence of god in just stare at him in really mean jala would be that name with the core my being well. We all need you to come off the mountain sometimes and remind us of all of this. So thank you for still using your words for that because it does 'cause my heart to want the same things and so thank you for holding those tensions. I do feel like it is an angsty hard life. I mean i. I don't know that there's any getting around it. I think when i stop wrestling i get complacent and too comfortable in in something and so think what you model is just. Let's keep fighting like let's keep fighting everything that we might love more than god. Thank you thank you for how you model it and we'll still talk about it. Come off the mountain. Thanks for being here. Hey thanks for listening today. Jean-francis chance conversation. We are really throw to tell you guys about his new book. That is out today called until unity. He can go find it anywhere. Books are sold. And i want you to put it in show notes and as always we so appreciate when you guys subscribe rate and review the podcast because it helps other people find the show so go leave us earlier today. We want to know your name. We want to know where you're listening from and we will see you next time for another episode of the need for this podcast.

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Episode 286: Francis Chan

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Episode 286: Francis Chan

"I france welcome to another episode of that sounds fine. I'm your host anti f down the really happy to be here with you today. We've got a great show in store. Listen we had so much fun announcing that that sounds fun tour last week and i'm loving hearing from so many of you who've already got your tickets. I cannot wait to see you all if you haven't grabbed yours. what are you waiting for. Y'all it's going to be the most fun remember. There are only a hundred tickets to the vip experience in each city so those will go fast so head to any thousands dot com for all that information today on. The podcast is one of my absolute faith heroes. Someone i've loved for years. Francis chan is a new york times bestselling author of several books including crazy. Love letters to the church. His new book is called until unity. It came out on april first. Currently he and his family split their time in ministry between church planting in northern california and asia in this conversation about unity in the church in what it means for us is really important. I just felt really moved by it. So i hope you enjoyed as well. Here's my conversation with francis pastor john for making time to be on here with us today. Oh yeah of course here. I mean i know the podcast is called. That sounds fun but we do talk about a lot of things so i hope. I hope that i'm not just going to force you to talk about fun. Things this whole time. Perfect though we will we will okay. You aren't playing around with this book until unity and so we just we're just going to jump in because if there's one thing that that is feels painful right now in the church. It's the disunity. So when did you write this. How did the pandemic play in. What do you feel like. What do you feel like we can do. Let's just go. yeah no i mean. There's so much this has been on my mind for several years now and it just keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper the more. I studied the scriptures the more going. What in the world are we doing. the way we are Acting out as a church makes absolutely no sense biblically. And the more. I studied the scriptures the more convinced of this and a lot of it I just realized. I've been a christian for about forty years now and i right. When i became a believer. I jumped into this bible quizzing memorizing competition. Because i was so competitive. I just any competition in okay and i'm going to win and i did okay but the first passage i memorize was john chapter fourteen through john chapter seventeen. Oh my gosh. Memorizing the whole prayer. Oh yeah forty years ago. Okay and we memorize john for one three and ten that year too but i was. It was hitting me. I'm going to con-. I memorize this literature forty years ago and i didn't get it. I haven't understood it. I don't know it. And i'm reading these passages where jesus saying i and the father of one you know and they have this relationship. And he's he's inviting us into this oneness with god. The father son holy spirit and how they interact with each other and now we can have that with one another and with him and sure. I memorized it. But i didn't know it and i haven't known it and i'm still in this process of learning it and i'm going. What have we been doing all these years. you know. it's a lot of is this horizontal relationship with each other and we don't quite understand like this incredible mystery were invited into and it's because of that that we're not we're not unified because we don't we don't get how rich how deep how overwhelming this is. And so. I don't know. I just had to write about all of these things. They got his teaching and continuing to teach me. Can we talk a minute about scripture memorization. How important is that for you. In your faith life has been huge. I will be honest. I my mind is getting messed up. I just think there's so much stimulation so much input so much entertainment or education and it's it's. It's almost making it harder and harder to meditate on a few things and memorize right. Because you don't wanna miss out on all the news you can have and and what's going with all these people but when you do that you lose the ability to truly focus on a few things you don't like i used to be able to in the early days. I heard you say if gathering you said that you had felt foggy in your mind because of all the news you were taking in and how you had to take a break from that. A man like an feel better if francis chan. It's trouble with how much the internet is offering. So how can you talk a little bit about your rhythms and boundaries. You've drawn as we're all trying so for me. I plug my phone in across the room. When i go to bed now. So that's one of my rhythms. What are some of the rhythms. You have to try to simplify. Oh gosh it's there's so many things again. please don't take this like oh he's got this nail. I mean here's what. I try to do You know because my you know oversee those those that bingo game where there's all those balls rattling around like that is my mind. God is one of those balls and and it drives me nuts that i have so many things bouncing around in here and some trying to just take these things out and say you know what first thing in the morning. I'm not going to check my messages. I don't care The most important thing is that. I really come before my creator and raise him that i have another day of life. I mean he determines whether i had another day of life and so why would i run to anyone else. Nothing is as urgent as this. I've gotta get on my knees and join with heaven as they're screaming. Holy holy holy. I have to think about that thrown because we pray you know as it is in heaven. That's why we wanted here in heaven. They've been worshiping. God all night and so i just want to not start worshipping but join into their worship and go. I'm right here with them. Lord holy holy holy and word. The is a lamb who was slain. Here i am just another being on the outskirts of that throne going. Yes god it is about you. Otherwise i will jump onto my phone and listen to all these messages. That are me and suddenly. I think i'm central because all these people need to get my attention. And i need to quickly respond to them. No i don't wanna start my day that way. I wanna start my day going. You know what. I'm just another little spec around this thrown and it is about you and i want this day to be out you and hallowed. Be your name not mine. Yeah a lot of people talk about starting their morning and scripture and and some will push back and say. But i'm better at night like i'd rather read before i go to bed. I'm a. I'm a morning gal with you. You're not a. But i'm with you. Because i feel like it sets up my day. How are your rhythms different. In the evening you know it's a little bit having Seven children grandchildren. You know wife just life. It just feels so busy It feels like the day gets biz busier. As it progresses after school's over then the kids are there and then ministry and all the people you know are our front doors wide open so people are just coming in and out and so it's kind of like A little bit of reflection at the end of the day. But honestly i'm just spent and i'm exhausted and so is not typically a quiet time for me at the end of the day. That's what i've found is that the morning is the only time people don't expect me to respond any other time. The rest of the day they. The world is expected meter respond. And so in the morning. No one's texting made. That is more interesting to me than what. I'm reading in the bible exactly. Yeah the morning times. You're right and the people who are early in the morning. Usually it is because they're getting together with the lord it's not because they're anticipating my response as you've Lead in this space for so many years. I'm forty so. I'm the generation who we read crazy love in college right so my peers and i have been shaped by your leadership for two decades. Probably how what have you seen. Change about unity in the church since you started doing this really yeah. It's really gotten worse and worse. It's to the point where it doesn't make any sense to me which i think it's good. I think there are people listening the younger generation. In fact i ran into two people yesterday. Miranda mly younger people you know early twenties. Just they're done they're done with all these denominations and they're they don't even know how to how to move forward they just note. This doesn't make sense and maybe made sense to your generation but it doesn't to mind if this is what christ called us to this perfect oneness. All of this doesn't make sense. And i think there's a rising generation because it's gotten so ridiculous and now it's not even just you know this big skills Of of you know when the church split into two or three or four to eight or two thousand or now some people say over thirty thousand denominations i go. Okay it's not even that anymore. It's the churches themselves within those denominations splitting and then it's not even that anymore. it's individuals that are going. You know what. I'm just gonna start. And i'm not saying this because you're on a on we start my own podcast and i'm gonna give him my own followers and so it's not even about individual churches or church splits. It's about every man or woman for south and and it's like this is outrageous and i'm going to bash everyone else that doesn't follow my theology and whenever i think that they're off to the world and and okay i get it. I see some of that in scripture. But let's be awfully careful that you are not bashing someone that has the holy spirit of god within them a son or daughter of the all mighty whole league. God you be careful with your lips and you speak with gentleness and all humility. That is fruit of the spirit. And we don't have that nowadays where people are all this person's an idiot you know like like just it. And and that's that's the click bait. You know any downs as a heretic. Ooh click that you. But jesus loves you. Everyone says that. No one's going to click. That and we are saying some blasphemous things and we need to be very very careful love because god loves his church and he wants the unity. And it grieves the holy spirit of god if eason's four says when we are divisive and we have all of this slander going on in our circles. I don't we know when is the right time to speak out against what someone is doing. Is that ever right or do we always stay quiet because we wanna unify. Or how do we know when is the right time for us to do something as individuals. Yeah i mean that is weird. You have to be so close to the holy spirit and so knowledgeable of the scriptures because i am not promoting like unity at the expense of truth or holiness god commands. These things he hates sin he hates hates hades hades hades. Then in a way. We can't even understand in a way we cannot comprehend because that is what brought forth the cross that that supreme sacrifices is hatred of says that christ had to pay the penalty for it and so we can't just go. Oh whatever you're doing is fine. No we have to get rid of the sin in the church and he hates lies especially lies about him and so we have to fight for truth and so this is not saying. Hey don't you know this relativistic Don't worry about truth. don't worry about sin. let's just all get along then in and out. But i think people that tend to fight for truth and fight for holiness can also diminish his command for unity and his desire for that feels like the challenge. Pastor tan is. How do we the the balance. I think feels so hard to find the balance of loving our neighbors. Well our church neighbors want to talk about the world yet. But we're going to but let me our church neighbors well and so many of my friends feel very strongly that they need to stand up for what is true because there are people in what they would consider their people in the church who who are teaching or who are heretics teaching false teaching. We just ask the holy spirit. Here's what i would say. I would say it starts with humility. It starts with what i was talking about. Okay even right now any. I'm glad you said that. 'cause i'm thinking okay france. Are you loving anne right now or you. Just recording a podcast. And i'm calling. God i you know what i don't want to get into this mode. I wanna think of her as your daughter and challenged her like. Did you get before the father this morning. Did you picture his throne in all his glory and all of that power and just with with innumerable angels like all just screaming his glory. Where did you join them. And just go. This is i love being here. And to think that. That being is looking at anne and saying i this desire for her spirit like no one on the planet desires. I want her. I want to be one with her and did you. Did you comprehend like his forgiveness of you through the blood of jesus to where you're like you you're trembling on one hand. Like who am. I standing before my kneeling before who weeping before and at the same time. You're fueling this security and and this blown away that he would love you know as you're in this low low inconceivable space then you you look over and you go. Oh there's my brother francis. He's his his his eyes out. He's shaking before this his overwhelmed. By god's glory okay. Now let's talk now. Let's talk about if you see sin in my life from that position before the throne. You know let's talk about where. I think you may be off in your understand. The conversations are a lot different when you picked your him properly and you get the perspective of who you are in his presence now. My prayers him are different Once i see him it changes the way. Pray that was crazy. Love was about stopped his closing your eyes in talking. Imagine him know who he is. They'll change the way you talk to him and it will change the way you talk to other people. That's what it as you're saying this. I'm just thinking about if i did that every time before. I left instagram comment her every time before. I gossiped about another church in nashville or every time before i thought about someone else who did my job and had opinions about it. How different would it be if i pictured them kneeling beside me. Yes yes yes and challenging them to that and and and you can heal change you okay like it has to happen with you and then and then it spreads from there because ok for example i listened to an interview i did not that long ago and i hate listening to my. Why did you do it. I don't do warriors because there was a comment made out. I listened and i go. I don't like how i sounded. Because i could hear and i you know we know what's going on our mind when we speak other people may not but we know and i go you know what. I'm insecure right there. I'm defensive right there. I'm proud right there and what that showed me was. I was not close to god at that moment. Because if i'm proud that's a sure sign that i was not close to the throne at that moment. Pride is i used to just confront pride like. Oh you're arrogant you're arrogant. It's like that's not what this is about. There's a deeper problem. You're proud because you're not close to the throne. Those high angels that are right in the presence of god are not being proud. They are just day and night. Holy holy and. That's why you know. All through i john says if you say you're close to term and you have fellowship with him you know but you're this and this and this you're liar because when we're close to god there's going to be a humility and it's helped me as as people say awful things right awful things you just go lord helper. Help him i just want them to be close to you. When there is a closeness to you there's going to be humility there's gonna be gentleness and so when i see abrasive things come out of my mouth and an attitude that i don't like i don't just get mad at myself. Seek and go garden closer to his. I don't want to spread that. I'm a matting to the problem. 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Because i don't know that i've done enough work understanding where that came from but the chapter you wrote which is kind of what you're talking about where it said it must start small. I mean so much of the unity. From what i'm understanding. You say the unity we longed for in the church actually starts with our time with god by ourselves. Yeah it does. And that's the thing okay. I grew up in this last generation of what we call church where it was about a lot of things of besides you really connecting with him in other words i i. I said this to the elders you know. We're we're praying couple of weeks ago. The elders at the church were just talking about how we've missed a lot of things and we have not seen ourselves and we need to see ourselves like the receptionist at the er okay. No one is coming to see us and if they wanna see us we have to come look. I don't know what i can do for you. Okay all i wanna do is get you into a room with the great physician. There's this physician and you've got to be alone with him. My only job is to get you in that room okay. You didn't come to see me. I hope you in come to see me. No one comes to see me. They shouldn't if you did. Then you're off the only reason you'd wanna see me is because i can get you to him. I've got i can get you access to him and he is going to change you and this is not the mindset and so that's why for years people like all i want to hear francis. I want to hear this preacher. This person's church. And it's not. I want to know the creator. Who said he wants to know me. Can anyone helped me. Just point in this direction i by myself am gonna go after him and then if that is truly what is happening then when you get together then suddenly you're having these conversations like can you believe him. Can you believe you know he did this. Surgery on me and found all sorts of things wrong with me but people been satisfied with the receptionist and they're blaming the receptionist and and just you know we as elders. We've got to see ourselves in this. We're taking on too much and people are satisfied. They go we've experienced church. I've experienced christiani. It doesn't do anything from me. And now there's more and more people in our position who have become public figures. Go you know what. I don't think i believe this anymore. I am walking away from my belief system. And how do you do that. And i realized it's because it's a belief system to you. I'm walking away from my parents belief system if you encountered him you. Don't walk away from that. Moses a walk off of mount sinai and go up to walk away from my belief system right. Even peter right believes the people who encountered the resurrected christ cycles. Walk out of that room after. Jesus appears to them and go going to walk away from my belief system do they. Do they have tons of fi. Your land upon them and these miracles worked and they go. I'm going to walk away from my belief system. No people do this. Because they never encountered him. They encountered a preacher. The intel encountered a service that felt great but they don't know him Sorry for going along on this. But i am so passionate. Okay isaiah twenty nine thirteen says these people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me and their fear of me is a commandment taught to them by men so this is just someone taught you to fear. God maybe even you read crazy love. Or you heard a francis chan sermon. And he's told me to. Fear god so i began to fear. God i taught you the fear of god. God did not teach you the fear of god. That's why when. When when jesus asks peter who do you say that i am and he says you're the christ the son of the living god. He goes flesh and blood. Didn't reveal that to you but my father from heaven that was not man that taught you that you encountered him. You experienced him. And it's upon this peter that the church is going to be built and there are too many people that listened to us and have never encountered him. So where do they go. So let's if they stop the podcast right now to encounter god what what are they. Pray what are they ask. Where do they go sit. What's the next move okay. This is something. John chapters thirteen to seventeen like everybody memorize it. I it is is. And i think there's something crazy that it's been. I believe exactly forty years for me and it is just now that god has been revealing like this is stay in here because there are deep deep. Truce these are this. Is the treasure in some people. Call this the holy of holies of scripture. Jesus before he died. This is what i want to say to you. And there are truths about god and who he is the father and son interacting and the love. They have with one another and inviting us into that. I just can't. I can't say enough but get alone. Get alone with the scriptures. Talk to god about these truths but you need to. It has to come from inside of. You can't even be us. Thank god. I need this. I need you to stir in me. The bible says one of the first verses that was told to me was behold. I stand at the door and knock right and if anyone opens the door i'll come into him. I'll dine with them. That's jeeze if you hear this it's it's probably not because you're listening to any or or me. It's because jesus is seriously not king and saying look what he's describing it's it's me. I'm coming after you let me in and just get a loan and say yes. I want you as i want you to is. I don't know you. Jesus i want to know you more. Please reveal yourself to me and start interacting with the scriptures of what he says he wants with you. You let me let me read from john fourteen. Because this this is one of the passages. That really really hit me where i go. I memorize this. I don't hardly remember this john. Fourteen twenty one. Whoever has my commandments and keeps them. He it is who loves me and he who loves me will be loved by my father. And i will love him and manifest myself to him. Judas goes on and and asked him us. Lord how is it that you'll manifest yourself to us and not to the world and jesus says if anyone lives me he'll keep my word and my father will love him. We will come to him and make our home with him and occa- again. I memorized this. But i i didn't know it. It's jesus talking about people who are always learning but never coming to an understanding of truth and knowing this. This is my hard for people. This is my heart for me. I wanna know wanna know in a biblical sense of no. I want to know what it means to have the father and son abide in me. Live in me manifest himself to me. I think i know some of it. But i think there's so much more and i remember my one. You know there's always that one teacher of all the seminary prosser whatever you go. He said something actually remembered because he said in a way that it seemed like he meant it he he would say it over and over he would look at us old man he would and i don't know if he's still alive but he would look at us as seminary students sitting there nodding our heads and he go. You seen you know but you do know oh look at you think you know you don't know what is he talking about like he is just sure we don't get something and now i got it now. I feel that it was almost like this. Groningen grieving like you guys are memorizing it. You're saying it and you think you know but you don't know i did know these passages. I had so much information in my head. When i graduated seminary i thought i knew everything i knew nothing. I had a bunch info in new. None of it. is there some value. Because as you're telling this story. I'm big and manage just that those four chapters spun around in you for forty years so having them in their lead to what you do know today. I'm sure it did. I'm sure it did you know. And i think there's something that god is doing right now. This is a unique time. It is a special time. And god is doing something right now where he is changing people's hearts and we are discontent with what we've called church what we've called a relationship with god and he is calling us into a deeper oneness with him that has to be the starting point To to getting to this unity. Because we've tried a common doctrinal statement. We've tried that's a big conference together and hold hands. we've tried. hey. I wrote a song about unity You know we've tried you know whatever these conversations and it. It's because we haven't done it from a deep deep oneness with him. It's like it's kind of like well. I'll just leave it at that. It's just we have to be one with god And really understand the depths of that otherwise our oneness with each other. It's never gonna work. Is there a difference and desiring unity and the church and desiring unity for the world are we are we missing unity in the church because we're trying to make the whole world get along so the you know we we want to. I would love. I hate conflict. Okay i hate war. I mean i have friends in burma now me and mar that are just getting slaughtered running for their live. I've seen video of them being shot down. And you just go. You know. I've been in ethiopia talking to warring tribes. You know with scars and anger and it's like oh god and this and this and this But there is a truth where christ said look. I didn't come to bring peace but a sword and there's going to be this fighting and the world is going to hate you And so there is some of that that you just while we don't like it. It's just the reality. i really don't like it. I hate it. I hate it so here. It is think about this. And in chapter john fifteen he says if the world hates you keep in mind. That had hated me. I you know if they persecuted me they're gonna persecute you and then probably a few minutes later in chapter seventeen. He's praying for his church. Worries this may they be perfectly wine just as you and i just as the fathering center perfectly one is the church that all of them become perfectly one so in in these chapters. He say there's going to be such hatred and persecution but in the churches can be perfect oneness. I want perfect oneness. So it's like on this hand. You can't do anything about that and so you want it but It's not going to happen in the church. Jesus says i've given them my glory so that they can become one so in some ways. Correct me if i'm wrong on this. You have all the permission and some ways. We're putting a lot of energy as faith people toward unifying. Something that jesus said was not going to happen. And we're not putting enough energy. I'm not putting enough energy. I'm not putting enough energy and making sure that the christians in my town know each other. Yeah yeah. I think. I wanna be careful. Sorry you know like we should pursue peace. We should we should fight for that. But we need to take into account this reality that there's gonna be persecution if we if we stand for the commands of god There will always be people who will fight against that and so we just need to know that but it doesn't mean we don't fight for nonbelievers. Meet jesus yeah. I mean if anything you know you look at first corinthians five and he talks about. There's there's a there's there is a time for division and it's dividing against those who call themselves brothers but are sexually immoral and he has his whole list of things along with that and it even talks about dividing against those who who slander and those who are divisive titus. I believe its to ten or three ten where it talks about. You know to remove the divisive people among you. You warn you. Warn them again then you have nothing to do with them so there is a time of. I'm gonna divide against those who are divisive. I'm gonna divide against those who call themselves brothers but continue on these sins And and. But i'm going to seek perfect oneness with those who really have humble themselves before this all mighty mighty god and trust in his blood for salvation and truly see him as lord of their life. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna love them that okay. So this is what god calls me to do. Love anne as christ loved the church. Just as i mean. That's john thirteen. This is the new command. I need to not just love you. The love you to the point. And this is in the context of communion. You know where. They're breaking bread. And jesus says i want you to love each other just as i love you. I'm about to go to the cross. I'm about that my body torn apart for you. My blood shed for you so francis if there is about to happen to any. I want you to love her so much that you would say. Take me not her take me. Would you really do that for her. Because that's what i'm asking you to do as you break bread with her and as you drink of my blood i want you to love those people in the room to that extent kate. This is the miracle that can take place in you that all that self-centeredness self-preservation. Suddenly you understand what i did for you and now you can actually have that love for those in that circle and that is a unity that the world can't understand and that is when the world will know that you are my disciples when you love one another that's right. Hey francis interrupted this conversation one more time to tell you about one of our incredible partners. Flamingo what are some of your routines and rituals day. That key centered and feeling ready for your day. Things like your morning coffee or tea. A walk at lions or listening to your favorite podcasts. On the way to work do we need those are teams but sometimes doing things day after day can get a little dole. Right things like shaving. Well with mingo we can turn shaving from a chore. To a ritual. Our friends at flamingo on. Elevate the parts of your daily routine that deserve more attention with feel-good body care products that work like a nine dollar award winning razor shave gel formulated to help you. Get your closest shave and right now. You can get flamingos award. Winning shave set for just sixteen dollars at shot flamingo dot com slash anne. My mingo razors are one of my favorite parts of my daily routine. There beautiful colors. They feel good to hold. They get their jobs done exceptionally well. I just love them. Flamingo was started by a group of women at harry's who wanted shaving to be a better experience for women to so they crafted razors. That are both lovely and affordable only two dollars for blade. 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Any i not just because you know you open up the bible or you preach because people are listening to you and by the way that you converse with me or anyone else. They're learning from you. And that's where james warns like not many of. You should be teachers because as teachers you will be judged more harshly and and it is. That's that's just the truth of scripture and that's why you know says you know for the elders. Careful don't lay hands too hastily on someone too soon. This is a scary thing. We do very scary thing. We do But also be scary to not do it. If it's what god has called you to do and so you have to walk humbly and carefully and just with such a reverence and fear and so if you are paid you know to work in the institution of got. That itself is such a i. I am taking your finances. People are giving their finances And i'm receiving them in your name which is not a sin. Necessarily it is it. Is god given. It is in scripture. But you better do that. Humbly and go okay. I need to steward this well and lead people in the right way because i am a servant of god that is using god's resources for god's people and so yes. If you are working at a church you'd better tread lightly before almighty god and walk humbly. You do this a little bit and until unity. But we'll you paint us a picture. I think one of the things. I that helped me walk towards something is the picture of what it could look like. Do you have a picture of what it could actually look like if the church was unified. Well i think the best thing is maybe look at revelation four and five. It's probably a better picture than i can paint. See in heaven. Everyone staring at the throne doesn't seem like they're talking to each other that much. It's there telling. God how great he is. And it's interesting. You know that scene in isaiah six The angels are calling out to one another. But it's not oh your wings. Look nice today screaming holy holy holy lord god almighty like. That's what they're saying to each other. Even even their conversation to each other is toward the throne about him and they're with each other but when you really in his presence. You really don't want to talk about that much when you're close to him it's it's can you believe what he did. Can you believe. And then there's moments where in revelation where their silence for half an hour like where there's just like this. It's so dramatic eat. Don't even have words for that moment and their silence. And that's the picture i mean. We say i will be done on. Earth as it is in heaven and evan. They're not just jumping to. Oh he did this wrong. She did this wrong. Can you believe him. Let's talk about this guy now. Let's have a talk show about these people. It's just really wanna talk about a whole lot of people right now. I know there's time for that but there should be. I don't know ninety ninety five ninety nine percent of just. He's so amazing. I i mean this is kind of what we've been doing for the half hour right. It's just oh. Isn't he amazing. And i can have that conversation with you because you say yeah. I woke up this morning. And as i god and i can do that. And there's i don't know the page. I don't even know the quote from or something bond hoffer said in book live together where it's warns as we're not having that time with the lord then when we fellowship we actually ruin if the fellowship of the church because now we're talking about things that just came to our mind. We're not talking about things that we got from the lord because we had this deep fellowship with him and so anti. That's what i wanna share on. This show is not. Oh you know i was thinking the other day or you know it was driving in this weird thought came to me you know it was is in the presence of the lord just worshipping him with the angels with all of the saints deeply interacting with his word. And here's what i got. That's what i want to share. You know and the other stuff can really harm the church. That's right that's right. I can we talk for a second about racial unity. Inside the church because we're seeing obviously. There's been lots of generations of racial disunity but particularly the conversation. That's so loud. Right now is is how asian americans are being mistreated. And and there's i mean so many so i am limited stories unfortunately and god have mercy on us. What's what's our daily move. And what what would you say is a big. We can do today to be a part of the racial unity in the church. Yeah you know it's I think again. Start with humility. And humbling yourself. You have to before you go to action before you do anything humble yourself before an almighty god and recognize you may be guilty of this of thinking wrongly of of just having any Misunderstanding or bitterness or whatever toward a child of his of his his child because of their their background or skin color or upbringing and and i have been humbled. I thought when the black lives matter movement was starting that. Of course i get this. I have african american friends. That i care about deeply deeply that i i see this oneness in them and i don't see the skin color so i understand i get it. I get it i get it and i really believe that the lord has moved me in these directions but then when the asian violence happened and suddenly they are. They are attacking elderly asians especially in the sunset district of san francisco. And i recognize whoa an elderly asian man in the sunset district of san francisco and people are just coming up and pummeling them and taking whatever they have. And you know just go. Whoa now it's me. And now i am and now my children you know i started thinking oh could thing. They're only half asian and they won't be targeted. There's it's different one into you is. What is what. I'm trying to get to is. I thought i understood it. But until it's you. I just don't over. You're totally going to soapy humble enough to not to say i understand you know black lives matter roy understand it. I thought i did until it was me. And then there's ignorance there's i didn't know my ignorant how ignorant i was until a couple of weeks ago. I was at the grand canyon. And i was filming something and i got to know this navajo. You know a guy who lived on the navajo reservation. He invited us to camp at the navajo reservation he goes you want to film where no one can get to you. Come onto our reservation. And as i'm talking you know and i'm asking how do you guys survive out here and he's like well. That wasn't the plan You know like we used to roam all through this country and you just feel stupid as you listen to him. And and begin to research and go. There were fifty million indigenous people and then we came and slot we we because we profited off the slaughter of them they re and articles about how the temperature of the earth dropped because we slaughtered so many either by physical force or by the disease we brought in and it went from fifty million to five million in such a short period of time. And then we we we we move them into this one and deserted piece of land that we don't want and assuming they'll just die off there and he says but we survived and we figured this out and we figured that and you just go. I never really thought about this. Because it's i wasn't taught this side in history class. Oh my gosh lord. How can i be so stupid to not think about how i profited. They're suffering how we profited by the slavery of the africans how we profited by the slavery of the chinese and the gold rush and they weren't even allowed to to they were the first humans to not be allowed to naturalize. There's no way you can actualize has because you see these judge rulings because they looked at us as sub human. And it's really so you know because i'm not white and you begin to understand the deep wounds of why when i brought a caucasian girlfriend over to a relative's house. Oh he starts swearing in. How dare you francis. Bring her into my house you know just offenders f. and that how could and you and i didn't understand even the pain of my own people so there is more ignorance in. Obviously we just don't know what we don't know and can we just humble from that point and ask god reveal these things to us and i'm learning that even right now I don't even. There's so much i don't know and if we would start at that place rather than this arrogance of you don't know me you know maybe there's things you don't know yourself and And let's just humble ourselves together and and see how we can move forward from that place of humility theme. Today is like what would it look like and you and your life any of us in my life. If if our first goal was connection with god and our second goal was humility that feels like a not the magic trick to unity but a little bit. It feels like the key. The key is humility. pastor. China can't thank you enough for doing this today. Is there anything. We didn't say that you want to make sure we cover. I don't think so. I think i just wanna go back full circle and ask everyone to go back to that humble place before god himself john thirteen through seventeen go read it go meditate on it and not just for a day not just for a week. I don't know i. I almost feel like this is something a journey. The lord wants me on for possibly years. If the lord herries like until you know the truth don't move on is sacred. I use a bible app called blue letter bible. That turned that tells you everything in the original language and every time i look something up i think the bible is a bottomless pit. I will never get to the bottom of what this is saying to me. And so that feels like with john. Thirteen through seventeen. When you say. I think i could be in it for years i might. Oh i think. I could be in it for years. I think you're right. It's living and active and it doesn't ever stop teaching us if we stay and just keep going. Well i i am grateful and more desiring the lord today because of you so thank you for being the receptionist that has led me even at at the if gathering you said something that brought a question to my mind from god that brought up some idolatry that was living in me. And you name thing you talked about you. Just were literally the receptionist that took me to the right room. So thank you for that. It has changed my life the last question. We always ask for these sharpest of left turns. If you're ready to the last question we always ask but because the show is called. That sounds fun. What sounds fun to you. What does the chan family do for fun. Oh gosh You know what is super fun to me is getting away from everything that has 'electronic and so like on that native american navajo reservation. I was with my four youngest kids and my wife in a tent without any reception. Anything like traffic to and we just laughed our heads off for hours. It was one of the most fun you know. We have no toilets. We have no nothing and but other in the presence of god and we just laughed and laughed and laughed. And i just thought this is. The best is is the absolute best. We forget how fun people are. Because we're so used to these gadgets and were so addicted to entertainment that requires nothing of yes. That's exactly right. Well i very grateful you find you find and here. I feel like we've learned today and just experience god with you so thank you very much for doing this. Oh you guys. isn't he. amazing. I mean i mean i i am just blown away by so much of that conversation. Make sure you grab a copy of his new book until unity. It is so good jaw. It's really really so good. If anything else array embarrassingly easy to find any doubts on instagram twitter. Facebook all the places. You may need me. That's how you can find me. And i'm anne. Sf like that sounds fun on youtube. And i think that's it for me today. Friends go out or stay home and do something. That sounds fun to you. i'll do the same. Forget hop over to anti f downside com and get your tickets to the. That sounds fun podcast toward today. Have a great week. And we'll see you back here. On thursday with laura charmaine.

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Frances Chung, Principal Dancer, on Cinderella

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Frances Chung, Principal Dancer, on Cinderella

"Welcome to San Francisco. Ballet's meet the artist. Podcast in this episode. You'll hear Jennifer French. Kovac Vich in conversation with principal. Dancer Francis Chung. This episode was recorded on Sunday February. Second before a performance of Christopher Wilkins Cinderella. Hope you enjoy good afternoon. Everyone and welcome to today's meet the artists interview. These interviews are part of San Francisco. Ballet's audience engagement programs. So be sure to visit our website as of Ballet Dot Org and look under events for other offerings. That you might enjoy my name. Is Jennifer Cavaco Bitch? And I'm very pleased to be here today with our wonderful principal. Dancer Francis Chan good afternoon. Francis joined the quarterback in two thousand one was promoted to soloist in two thousand five and two principal in two thousand nine. The list of her repertory stretches as long as my arm so I won't lift all the hell as that. She's done but just works. By all the great choreographers roles in the great classical ballets and of course right now so he's been appearing in Cinderella by Christopher Wildman. And that's what we're here. Today to talk about the performances after noon is Christopher Buildings Cinderella but first Francis would you tell us a bit about your background and your training and ballet and how you came to be here at San Francisco Valley everyone. I'm originally from Canada. I trained there until I was seventeen. Moved here out of high school seventeen and I've been in the company for nineteen years. Yeah I did all of my training at Vancouver go ballet and trained in a lot of different styles mostly Russian French a little bit of English. It did all of my. Royal Academy of Dance a training and and then I kind of learned how to do dance the Americans when I moved here to San Francisco. What does that mean? What does that mean I guess? In a non valet vocabulary means dancing a lot quicker than I was used to moving a lot quicker and I'd say with a bit more than three. Dm then what I was used to. I remember dancing. My first balanchine belly here was symphony. C. Fourth Movement quarterback. La and. I couldn't wrap my head around how I was supposed to move. That quickly learned over the years so nineteen years with the company. Did you have any idea when you first came here that you would spend your career here and be here so long? No I remember speaking with a quarter Valley member When I first joined the company and she had been in the company for five years and I was like no way five years. How can that be and yet? It happened with a blink of an. I feel like I still feel like I'm seventeen. Sometimes I think that's a good thing keeps you engaged here and satisfied and growing as an artist So I mean there's a lot to it really. I think one main thing is the the wide variety of repertoire that we get to do here and the choreographer is the people that we get to with. They come in and inspire me in different ways so just constantly having The diverse rep and also an. Yeah different challenges. I mean and then also the continuation of also tackling. The classics presents his own challenges. So I think staying Challenge and inspired and then also to be honest just the people that I get to work with every day. Yeah people are at the dancers around me and the valley world is very transient and people. Come and go often. It's kind of like this city and it gets hard. Sometimes you get attached to people and whatnot but I'd say Just being in the ballet world dancers are a special breed and Being surrounded by dancers. L. Always remember. I have a really good friend who retired many years ago but we joined the company at the same time and I see her often and she always tells me how special time in the Valley Company was and that you'll never forge relationships like you have in the dance world and she's left for quite a few years now and I think about that all the time now that in the latter part of my career just to cherish all the relationships that I have here so you joined us late in the introduction. I'm speaking with principal. Dancer Francis Chung so in today's ballet Christopher Wilkins Cinderella. You were here actually for the creation of that ballet and that was kind of a unique process. Can you talk a little bit about that sure? So it was a collaboration between national and San Francisco Ballet Christopher wheeled and choreographed part of it here and part of it there and he also had a couple of dancers from San Francisco Ballet go there and a few answers from there come here so it was a true collaboration. Personally I have done to different parts in this ballet so it's a ballet that has been with me for a long time and at this moment. I feel really comfortable with it. Musically production wise. There's a lot to it and I remember when we first opened. It was a little bit scary just in terms of dealing with all the props and the sets moving and there's a lot of things happening at the same time a crew members and dancers like so. It's special because it was done on two different companies and I guess since then a some other companies have done it as well which is great but it was. You need to go to if you missed the company name. It was the Dutch National Ballet and this story is a little bit different. I think from what people might be used to seeing what they might imagine. If you've seen the Disney Cinderella or read some of the fairytale versions I mean Christopher wheeled and the choreographer chose different elements to play up. And I think one of the interesting things I think the character development of Cinderella and some of the main characters. They're not so one dimensional. Can you talk about what he talked with you about? And what he wanted you dancers to bring out that that story. Sure so in the beginning of this production. Uc Cinderella's a little girl and her mother passes away and you see that in this production. So I think it gives her a different perspective to her her life and and then you see the stepmother. Come in Firm me now that I tackle this role. I think of her As I think sometimes it's easy to think of Cinderella. Is this like a sad and kind of abused child but really there's different moments specifically if you When you're watching this afternoon there's a moment in the first act where she's serving the family and there's one moment where I remember Chris choreographing specifically and you just stand in the center of the stage. And you look out. And you're just gathering your strength and I think it's a story really of perseverance and strengthen. She has a relationship with her father but her father just isn't I think in my mind. He isn't quite over the death of his first wife yet and he's still struggling and so you don't really get the support from him and yeah. I think as the story builds. It's really just firmy this gathering of strength and you do have support from. Chris. Calls them the fates and Basically they I see you know what you've become and they're just there to like literally and figuratively lift you there constantly. I'M I don't I've barely touched the ground in this reduction because they're carrying around a lot so love those guys you so you mentioned that you play danced in other role and. That's one of these stepsisters. Could you talk about how the stepsister? Sisters are portrayed in this production it's been a while I haven't done the part. In a few years but seraphim patent and I created the role of Clementine and Dina and just want to say it was probably one of the finest times in the studio that we've never laughed so hard and they so my cl- character that was created clementine. She's kind of just a little bit. Let's say she likes to daydream. And not always there in the moment and it is my guess she's the mean meaner sister that takes after her mother a little bit more. I I mean they're the comic relief in this in this production and it's just a really fun fun role and had such a blast. We were just laugh at. Yeah we specifically so I remember the first dance in the first act that was choreographed in Amsterdam on those dancers but in the second act the ballroom scene the sisters have a little dance and that was choreographed here and in at that time. I remember I was neck problems and that was literally translated into the choreography. So you'll see. A CLEMENTINE has a lot of moments where her shoulders are up to her ears. And that was how I was feeling in the moment and that has transferred into the valley. That's really funny wondering whenever I watch a dancer with your skill and artistry do comedy and like dance badly or what is that. That must be hard in a way to kind of go against your training. I think it takes. Great Skill am to do ballet poorly well and make it funny really. I think it has a lot to do with timing a lot to do. It's very oriented around detail. I don't I think so and I remember Chris. Really emphasizing the fact that it can easily be cheesy and you can't just let it all out there and I think it's the funniest. There's a little bit of restraint to it. But yeah comedy Bali hard so laugh out loud and really enjoy yourselves because we feel the energy that you guys us. So this is such a beautiful production and you. You talked a little bit about the elements the scenery the costumes and things. I have to ask you about one moment. I love a quick change in any live performance. Thrilling how do you feel? There are many one to at least three quick changes for Cinderella in this production. The main one being When she changes into her ballgown I don't know exactly how many minutes feels like seconds that we have but we go from our rags into the beautiful gold feather printed gown so our hair is down to doing your hair. You're doing the mask doing the costume. And then you put on this huge Khloe Cape and it takes at least three people backstage with me and everybody's doing the same thing or doing something different at the same time. Well it's exciting. It's always exciting to see you step out. And have you know about literal Cinderella moment spectacular? Once again my guest today is principal. Dancer Francis Chung actually part of the Ballet. I think is really special. You're at the site of your mother's grave. Is that right with this? Magical tree has grown and these spirits have come out to help you prepare for the ball and they all come out in the dance. Are they showing us specific moments? Could our audience see things up? The spirits are showing you that we might see at the ball. That's a great question and I think it can be missed in the audience. I think those are fun things to look for so Chris choreographed. It's so that each season is teaching a step and all of those steps that we are learning from the seasons. are incorporated in our variation in our solo in the second act. Look for those steps and yet they specifically teach us and we learn them. We do the steps in the first act and then they are repeated in the second you mentioned also the face the gentleman who were sort of clad in dark colors and they also have masks and they sort of they really help that illusion of magic in the show and I think something that I really enjoy about this ballet is. It does look very magical. But there's still that human element I mean. There's some high-tech moments but there's there's puppetry which is so tactile and human. Can you talk about the humanity in this production of Cinderella? That N I find more now just working with living choreographers that I guess as as opposed to dancing a classical ballet people want to see humanity onstage so a lot of times and I feel so in this production. Know when we're dancing. It's I think we've always been taught to like Present ourselves and express ourselves so that the everybody in the audience especially in this theater. Because it's so big to really lift your face and lift your whole body and everything is kind of for the audience and sometimes at least I prefer kind of feeling that intimacy on stage and so perhaps instead of doing a gesture very grandly for the audience you do it towards your partner. And so as an audience member you're experiencing that intimacy on stage as opposed to just a pure show specifically for the audience. I don't know if that sense but yeah. I really enjoy watching that. Plus sides on for either ways of performing but yeah a lot of it is and Kris really gives us a lot of choreography so that we can show that humanity like a simple hand touch that Cinderella and the prince. You'll see it several times but were the front and center of the stage and we're looking at each other and it's really just two hands coming together and then it magically wraps around here body where you know like just gentle swaying. I mean who knew that effective well speaking of humanity you pretty major life events. Some of our repeat audiences are subscribers. Might have missed you last season. You had a pretty major news and you're back now. Can you tell us about that? I had a baby. He is now five months old. His name is forrest and he's the best. What else is there to say about that? Aside from not sleeping he is the vast. Yeah so you were back in for. Nutcracker and here we are at the start of the season coming out of the gate with Cinderella. How are you feeling being back on stage? You feel good I spent. I took all of my pregnancy off. He told how he really early on. Just because I knew there were some hard ballet's coming ahead and yeah I was pregnant so he's going to take some time off and I have to say when you have danced professionally for so long and I've amazingly of I haven't had any severe injuries. That has taken me out for that long so I hadn't taken that much time off of work in ever since I started so it was such I feel renewed. I while I was pregnant I came in. I took class and I dance just for fun. You know. It wasn't to put something onstage or to get ready for so there was no stress in it and it was. It definitely brought me back to dancing for fun which I feel like everybody needs whether you've been a dancer for a long time. We're not dancing for fun. Is is important but since then I came back relatively quick. I Guess Yeah I've I feel good. I can't complain. I have a Chinese mom that makes me all sorts of soups in bone. Broth and whatnot. So I feel very lucky well-supported. That's good great. I'd love to see if there are any questions for our guest. Principal Dancer Francis Chung question about when there's a stage mishap especially a big moment. How does that feel? When you're there. You know the show continues. You do what you can in the moment and it was really freaking out a little bit in your head and stuff and all sorts of things happen and that is really. I think why we come to live valley. If everything was perfect it would not be interesting and and big moments like that. We I I when I was younger. I probably used to beat myself up a little bit more about it whereas now you know. Kinda gets me a little bit more excited because yeah this is why we're here. So that's a great note to end on. Thank you again. Principal Dancer Francis Chung for our guest today and thank thank you all for joining us today for the meet the artist interview. If you missed any part of today's conversation if you want to listen to this one or any other meet the artists interview. 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Does Our Family Really Need To Go To Church?

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36:21 min | 2 years ago

Does Our Family Really Need To Go To Church?

"How's it going guys? Do It looks back here with you on the dad tired podcast where we are helping guys lead their family well if that's you if you want to stumble you're way too spiritual leadership you figure out what that looks like. We'd love to have you can be part of our little community. You can do that by going to tire dot com. Click the Community Tab. It will link you over to a close group that we have on facebook. <hes> I'm going to be honest. Today was a hard episode to record <hes>. I've been avoiding it for a longtime mainly because I I just didn't feel like I had my own thoughts processed well and <hes> and so I've been avoiding while we're talking about today is church like do you need to be involved of in a church. Do need to be part of a local church. What if you've been in hurt by the church? What if you don't believe believe that what our Church looks like today is anything what it should be or what it was back in the Bible times and Post Jesus and so we're just trying to figure out like well? I guess we're just wrestling through those questions together on today's episode so <hes> anyway if you resonate with any of that or you have some friends who resonate with that. I think today's episode is going to be especially helpful for you. I also WanNa let you guys know before we dive in <hes> The dad I tired book. <hes> is available for Presale on Amazon. This is an actual book where we are talking about. What it looks like to be the spiritual leaders of our home very practical stuff in there <hes> also tons of stories of where <hes> I felt like I may have got right and a lot of stories of where I failed miserably <hes> I've been it's been getting more and more hands of like media people as they've been reviewing the book and what I keep hearing is how funny the book is so? 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You're really asking like I'm just not totally sold on the sole church thing and that we need to be part of a local church and <hes> and others of you like what the heck. How could you even ask that as a Christian you come kind of all spectrums of thought coming into this episode? I fully aware of that. What I've noticed is what usually happens is the trends of thinking for our culture usually start on the coasts like west coast? East Coast and they kind of moved their way inward <hes> so whatever's happening <hes> in our culture and shifts in our culture whether that be spiritual or secular usually starts on the east coast West Coast and then kind of makes its way into the middle of the country. That's obviously obviously a generalization. That's not always true but a lot of trends again both secular and spiritual seemed to start on the coasts and work their way and and one of the trends <hes> that started the first time I noticed I'm not sure when it started. I I notice it's actually pretty quickly when I entered into ministry into <hes> five and this was right after actually got at high school I got hired full time at a church and I started to see church attendance start to decline pretty like rapidly. I was watching a lot of my friends like just stopped going to church which is weird because I grew up going to church and that was just part of a normal routine for a lot of my friends and so to see people just start to stop. You're asking like okay well. What's happening like why are people starting to bail out on being part of a church and <hes>? I don't know all the reasons. I'm not an expert in any of that but one of the things that I'm curious about is the fact that social media started to come in pretty heavily right in around that time and <hes> just like internet usage and the ability really to be able to access information really quickly and on demand so you know you started to be able to discover these pastors in these thought leaders from all over the country in the world that you didn't necessarily have access to and now you can like within thirty seconds. Pull love messages like for me. I remember when I first discovered Francis Chan I I'd never heard of Francis Chan and then you you like you watch a video or something on Youtube and then you're like Oh Dang. This is good stuff. He's really passionate. It's like pointing me toward Jesus and like Benge watched on Youtube or you listen like wherever you can you can listen to all his sermons and you're like Dang. This is like super good stuff and so you listen to Francis Chan or whatever wherever you felt like this is you're getting some good stuff Monday. Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Eh and then you show up to church on Sunday and your pastors like you know he's good but he's like it's not Francis Chan rate and you're like Okay Dang. I'm actually being spiritually fed. I'm actually being pointed closer to Jesus like when I'm not going to church and I can can mike find all this good stuff on demand and I think what happened is a lot of people said like. Why do I really need to go? It seems kind of a relevant to wake up on a Sunday morning set my alarm on my weekend and get up and go to church when like I'm getting just as good if not even better stuff and spiritually fed throughout the week <hes> and I felt that man like I I was feeling that really deeply even from the very start of my ministry career on but it really came to head for me about four years ago when I was actually deeply hurt by the church and I've heard people say that my whole life I've heard people say you know I was hurt by the Church or by the Church and to be honest if I'm like totally just being real with you. I've always kind of put that on them like okay yeah but what's the real story like you probably Super Burgoyne and that's what your church. I'm just being honest with you like that's what I thought like yeah you. You probably did something wrong in your pastor church leaders in agree with you and so like it's probably really on you <hes> but just like the Lord Loves Humble People I was deeply hurt by the church and we've got a lot of listeners to the podcast. I won't go real deep into that story but is the first time round like I I was the one saying man. I'm like I'm hurt by the church here. This sucks like I've been deeply deeply hurt and I'm giving you like the g version here <hes> because it was rough dude I I was really really hurt and in fact I had made a commitment like I'm never going to church again. <hes> I'm never going to be part of a church again like this is I can I can find good stuff online and the churches messy and it's political and there's drama. You're talking about budgets. There's just too much like I don't want to be part of this and I and then I said I'm especially never going to be part of church. Leadership again like this sucks I. I'm never going to be part of that which is funny like how the Lord has tricked me back into it like here. I am leading dad tired. I just never even imagined that I'd jump back into it. I didn't for those of you that are brand new podcast. I totally stumbled into this like <hes>. It was an accident and maybe we can talk more about that later but anyway I wasn't trying to start administrator and have some long strategic thoughts about starting worldwide ministry for Dads just like anyway I fell into. It got tricked me. I always say he tricked me back into do it <hes> but I had made it. I had made a commitment like I'm never going to be part of a church again so <hes> anyway I know for a lot of you whether you live on the West Coast East Coast or somewhere in between <hes> a lot of you are asking that question like does Church Church need to be part of do I need to lead my family and and really take us to church and be part of a local church and be a member detergent attend a local church and all that some of you though are like you've never even asked that before like your. This is brand new thinking to jared. I just can't even believe you even posing this as a question something that we've always done. It's what my family and my great grandparents my great great grandparents have done <hes> so I I know that I've got like a full gamut here the the whole spectrum of an audience. That's listening to this but all that being set. I've gotten emails. I've talked to a lot of you. I think just generational like for I know a lot of you. Listening are somewhere between twenty four and forty Ish <hes> give or take some years <hes> but even generation for a lot of us. Were just asking like what like wait. What why do I need to church like is actually important to wake up on a Sunday morning and to go <hes> and so you're you're wrestling through that question one because it just you you're not totally convinced like it even make sense or that? Our churches are or anything like what they should be or what they used to be or what God wanted them to be <hes> and then some of you <hes> feel that or and or you're like you know I do like I've been hurt by the church. I've been deeply deeply hurt by a church leader or pastor whatever. Over and you've kind of made that commitment like dude and no thanks. I don't want to be part of this. This sucks I and so wherever you're at like wherever you're at I think it's important to at least know why <hes> and to ask some kind of deeper questions of yourself and especially for those of you who are dads and husbands and you're trying to figure out like what do I want to teach my kids. This is where things get interesting because you may have kind of strong opinions or you may be wrestling through something personally but now you're trying to figure out like what do I need to teach each my kids about this particular topic so you you may be confused like I. I'm not sure what I believe about church attendance and being part of a church and being part of a church community and now I'm tasked which trying to figure out how to teach values about church to my kids and I don't know what to teach them because I'm not fully sure yeah I'm confused and so if that's human I hopefully today's episode is going to <hes> you know. Give you some kind of clarity on that on what it looks like to to try to lead your family towards George Jesus in the midst of being a little bit <hes> confused so let's let's first start <hes> let's I. I was GONNA say like now that we're like thirteen minutes into this you know or however many minutes into this you know grab a cup coffee. Let's sit down dive into this. Sorry took me so long but I I think that like I think that introduction of like just kind of getting us all in saint pages really important. I hope hopefully that wasn't rambling but a lot of times for our church lead what our church leaders do <hes> pastors others and and and thought leaders kind of in the church oftentimes they kind of make a whole argument around the verse in Hebrews Ten. You've I'm sure you've heard it a million times. He was ten. I think it starts in Verse Twenty Four says and let us consider how to stir her up one another to love and good works not neglecting to meet together as is the habit of some but encouraging one another and all the more as you see the day drawing near <hes> so the writer of Hebrew saying you know don't neglect getting together there and then what happens is you hear. Church leaders say like listen this is clearly in the scripture. God has commanded you to come to church so if you're not going to church you're sinning against God and that may or may not be true. I WANNA get into that a little bit but it's always frustrated me. When I hear church leaders I say that for a couple of reasons one I never like when any of US build a whole theology about something based on one verse that always scares me like I wanna see it? Throughout the Scripture I wanna see throughout the scripture this characteristics of God the heart of God kind of being laid out. I think it gets very very dangerous. <hes> when we start to build up like a whole argument based on one verse because you can go back and you can make some real bad arguments about God and God's character if you just nitpick or you kinda pull out cherry-pick <hes> one verse out of the Scriptures and say like I'm building a whole theology. I think that's very very dangerous so that that always kind of frustrated me about that like give me more like as a church leader. Tell me more about that <hes> the other thing. That's a little bit frustrating is the and I I think is a valid question is the first question that always comes to mind like is okay when the writer of Hebrews is saying get together regularly meet don't don't neglect meeting together regularly is he talking about the same kind of context of Church that we see in America America in two thousand nineteen and I think all of us especially millennials who are kind of rebellious where we're asking like well is that even the same thing like that right or clearly wasn't thinking about <hes> US showing up to this giant building with fog machines jeans and smoke machines and lights and production and like I could go on and on but I'm guessing that's not what he was talking about so. Are you really going to use the verse to try to convince me or convict me to go to this church service <hes> when when I don't know if that's at all with the the writer of Hebrews was talking about and I think those are valid questions <hes> to ask <hes> does gathering does are gathering together in America in two thousand nineteen look the same as the gathering back then that the writer of Hebrews was talking about our another question that you could ask another question would be <hes>. Can I meet together with other Christians and not be part of a formal church like can I still be obedient to that verse and of of you know gathering together as Christians and yet. Do I have to go to part. I have to wake up and go to this church on Sunday mornings at nine eleven. Is that really what the writer of Hebrews was talking about <hes> so I'm guessing <hes> for many of you you've asked those questions and and maybe be you've never asked that question but now that you've heard it like Oh yeah and starting to resonate deeply hey guys wanna take a quick minute to thank my friends over at hellofresh for sponsoring this episode with hellofresh America's because number one meal Kit Service. You'll get easy seasonal recipes and premeasured ingredients delivered right to your door. All you have to do is cook it and enjoy it. You can say goodbye to the endless grocery store trips and all the takeout food hellofresh hellofresh. has you covered break out of your dinner Rut with seventeen seasonal chef curated recipes that they offer each week. 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It's like receiving eight free meals super super good deal again hellofresh dot com for slash tired eighty all right for those of you that you've been wrestling through those questions Russians for years <hes> months years maybe even decades or maybe for those of you that this is like brand new for you and you're like totally content showing up the church every week and now you're like Oh Dang like maybe I should be asking these questions. Do I really need to go to church. I've been waking up at eight A._M.. Why am I trying to like yell at my family to get in the car or wise my wife yelling at me like maybe I don't have to go to church? Maybe onto something here <hes> whatever you're out on that let me just like. Let me try to toss awesome questions out of you that I've been tossing out at myself and that Leyland I've been tossing out at each other for the last probably decade since we've been married. We've really been wrestling through these questions and <hes> and so let me toss some of these questions out at you and just for you to get some wheels spinning P._S.. Think that if you're listening to this alone and and this is something you've been wrestling through with your wife highly suggest sent just sending her over this episode so that she can listen to it too and then the two of you just like spent some time talking about it. I think it's really really really important that we covered this topic in that like you figure out what you're going to do here and so I think this is one of those episodes that'd be helpful for you guys to be on the same page on <hes> and it might be helpful listening to together so I I want to give you a little the context <hes> I've worked in all kinds of churches I I've been on staff at megachurches been at teaching pasture discipleship pastor or worship Pastor High School Pastor <hes> of worked at churches with five thousand worked at Church now not worked out but I'm now part of a church <hes> where there's like forty or fifty of us <hes> House church where we have no building. We have no staff we don't really have you know like an actual event budget program budget or anything. We're just like a group of people trying to stay the scriptures together so everything in between hundreds thousands tens you know so so I've had a lot of context as far as churches go and I. I've asked this question. I'll I've wrestled through this question. What is Church look like what do I want my kids to grow up for the last ten years and and especially you know eight years since we've had kids like what are the values? What am I trying to lead them to so here? Here's a couple of questions again and I want to toss out at you. <hes> if you're if this is resonating at all. Let's just say you ditch church quote Unquote Church. Let's say you ditch because you're not totally convinced that the way that we're currently doing church in America or even for those of you listening in Europe Australia I know for a lot of you all of our churches kind of look similar <hes> in many ways so let's just say you ditched edged you ditch church because you're not you're not totally convinced that like we're doing it the way that it was supposed to be or what the church used to be <hes>. Are you still committed to a regular gathering of believers in whatever shape or form that looks like so again. I'm playing devil's advocate really myself but for you like I think the the scriptures are clear. I do think it is a command and I do think it's implied over the long haul especially in the new testament but you can make a case through all the scriptures that believers should be getting together regularly <hes> even though there aren't like explicit versus hey like hey. You should show up a church at nine A._M.. Every Sunday there is the implications of all throughout the scriptures especially in the New Testament especially post host Jesus crucifixion where you see like believers gathering together it seems and I mean just the fact that there are letters written to Churches Right <hes> kind of tells us oh churches. The gathering of people together is super important. This is important this. This is the way that God has designed things to be together. So then you ask yourself the question based on Hebrews that verse that they shot up <hes> the leaders always point out in Hebrews. <hes> you know don't neglect to meet together regularly so you say okay well. I'm not going to meet together regularly because churches aren't really what they're supposed to be or what they used to be or. It's not anything like what Jesus imagined which P._S.. Have asked that question million times. I've had that thought a million times <hes> so you say you're not going to I guess my question would be for you is are you is still committed to a regular gathering of believers in whatever shape or form that looks like so for me and kind of my rebellion. I would be like you know like churches weird. It's not really what's God designed to be like. Why don't we just get some friends together whenever his casual and like we eat dinner and we'll talk about Jesus and maybe we'll read scripture and we'll just like encourage each other will will gather together as believers so that's that sounds awesome? That sounds great cool. I'm all for it but I guess you have to ask yourself like. Is it happening happening. Does that really happen in your life. Do you schedule something where you have a regular interaction a gathering of believers <hes> consistently in your life if you're on the camp of I don't really need to go to church well then you're asking I think it's fair as a Christian if you if you love Jesus and you believe in the ways of the scripture in the way God designed things you have to ask yourself. Am I committed to a regular gathering of believers because it seems like even if you took out that verse in Hebrews. It seems like this is the way God <hes> design things to be and it's super important <hes>. Here's another question that I that I toss out at you. Is there something that your local church is. Missing is currently missing because of your lack of involvement and I'm not talking talking about like shaking hands or setting up chairs or you know you're you. You're killer drummer and they don't have a killer drummer on their worship team because you're not showing up all those things may be great but really what I'm asking is. Is there something about the way God has designed you. You gots designed. Your wife Gaas designed your kids. He's put you guys together as a family. Is Your Church missing. Something is the local body of Christ around you missing something because you're not involved or you're just not there or maybe you're there. Air But you're not really there. Are they missing something. If we believe that the church is the body of Christ like beyond like all the the stuff the production happening is the church missing you like your unique personalities your unique perspective your unique gifts. It's like if you were having dinner with these believers if you were hanging out with his believers on a more regular basis would they be getting something more that they're currently missing because you're not there. Here's the thing like the Bible says equip the saints for the work of ministry initially like Bro. You're you're in ministry like. You're actually you're the one supposed to be out doing the work. Not Your Pastor and not the church staff like it's you you and your family and your kids like everyone's on the team here. Everyone's got a role to play and so is your like is that job is that role. Is that description like missing because you're not there that body that part of the body is like not active because you guys aren't there. You're not part of it and that's I think that's like a game changer. That was for Leyland. I like okay yeah. Maybe were frustrated by different things about the church what regardless of what church we're going to but like has God designed us uniquely individually but even more importantly together as a family that maybe if we were which is part of the local church. There's another family or there's a person or maybe there's like a young adult who's not married that just needs to see a healthy marriage or the seat they maybe there's someone that didn't have a dad and they need to see me parenting my kids or someone that had had no concept of what it looks like to be faithful husband that engages in leads his wife and I just need to like have that dude or that person over for dinner often just to watch us be married like are they missing that because we're not fully involved there and that's really what I mean for. You is like what do you have. What is the unique things that God has made you to be the the unique personality that God gave you that is missing that you're actually holding something back from a fellow believer a fellow brother and sister in Christ because you're just not engaged <hes> that takes a kind of a perspective change for you to think like that here's here's one of the last questions I'll ask you? Is there something that your church. Your local church offers that is missing in your Christian walk because you're not part part of it <hes> or you're not involved and again. I'm not talking about like a program or V S or you know some <hes> some event happening that while because you're not involved you missed the volunteer Sunday where you guys all pack lunches or whatever like that that that's that's all fine. It's cool. Whatever but really what I'm saying is like? Is there something that your church is off the local churches offering that you're not getting because you're not really involved. Let let me be on it. Let me make this very practical. I'm not talking about worship experience and not talking about a cool teaching <hes>. Let me be really honest for a second here. You can find both of those things amazing teaching you can find an awesome worship of really great music really phenomenal teaching <hes> in the next thirty seconds by just looking at the phone that you're currently lit probably listening to this podcast on you can like go very very very quickly and start binge-watching <hes> sermons you concert binge-watching are Benge listening to sermons you can listen to some really good music literally and the next thirty seconds on your phone. You can find all of those things but here's what you won't won't find on your phone and the next thirty seconds you will not find accountability you will not find discipline. You're not gonNA find fellowship those things you cannot find on your phone in the next thirty seconds <hes> and here's the perspective that I think all of us if we're kind of thinking through this in wrestling through this needs to shift in our mind if we are <hes> for lack of better words dumbing down church to a Sunday morning event where we wanna be fed by by a teaching <hes> we are. We have a very skewed perspective on what the Church was designed to be. Listen like bro You you for sure can find better teaching <hes> most likely than the church that year sitting under all of our pastors aren't you know these Francis Chan's and match handlers and all these people you know that putting on these amazing messages <hes> for us and we can go find those very quickly <hes> but there are certain things that got God designed the church to be way more more than just like a teaching Sunday more experience what Sunday morning experience what he actually designed to be is this community where you actually find some accountability where you can be disciplined as much as I even hate to say that as a young adult and where you'll find fellowship like here's the reality <hes> my little church we get together like I said we've. There's you know forty fifty of us in our families get together and we study the scriptures together. We don't even have paid staff. Okay so there's no like pastor astor who's putting together hours and hours and hours to put together this amazing message with powerpoint like we're all volunteering our time to kind of lead the scriptures every Sunday where we open up the Bible and we just ask good questions and we say the Scriptures and we study the context of the Bible and all that stuff now listen. Some of you are hearing this. I just WanNa say this little caveat. discipleship is hard whether you have forty people you have forty thousand people like it's hard regardless of. I'm painting a picture where you think like Oh. That sounds amazing. They probably do church way better than we do. Let's listen Bro. It's hard all the time regardless. How many people are church the context of how you've set it up? It's hard all the time <hes> but what I'm saying is like we don't have any phenomenal teaching stuff so really like I can go and find better teaching somewhere else but I'm not going to church church because there's some great teaching what I'm going for is one <hes> I wanna find some good fellowship. <hes> and I want God to us me and my wife and my kids to hopefully give something to the church but also like Bro if I go off the rails. Rails which I'm sinful and I'm human like if I start to go off the rails. There needs to be some built in accountability for me. <hes> this is like Godly leadership. This is what it means to lead your family. Well actually submit yourself to God and the authority like there's older wiser men around me at our little church who man this is literally happened. If I start to go like sideways and I'm I'm treating my wife poorly or I'm going off the rails a little bit. You better believe I've got some men around me who are like jared bro like nope not GonNa Happen and there's some accountability there and there's some discipline it's all in good love but they will be hard on me and they will say some really hard things to me and so I think for those view that dislike asking that question. Do we really need to be part of the church. I can be fed elsewhere listen. I've asked that question a million times but as I try to become more of a man and more spiritually mature what I'm learning is if I really want to man up like I need to submit myself to some authority Lordy and to really be able to say like I'm going to invite accountability and discipline in my life so yes <hes> I can find better teaching somewhere else but I'm going to the church one because I want to serve not just like shake hands and set up chairs but I want to serve by just giving of myself relation to other people because I think other people in a church need that <hes> I want the fellowship I just WanNa Talk to other Christians for sure and just like encourage each other but also as a man know that if I'm really going to man up like I need some accountability. I need some discipline. I need some guys around me. That are gonNA ask me some hard questions so I think man that might be the most important question that I toss your way and <hes> that's been a learning experience for me. <hes> we're going a little belong here so I'll just wrap up by saying this <hes> God's strategy for like his mission strategy. <hes> Gods God's plan for saving the world was when he said this. This is crazy easy to me. Got said that they will know you. Buy Your love for one another. I'm pretty sure that's John Fourteen. I don't have in front of me. I'm a terrible <hes> I should have prepared more for that but I'm pretty sure John Fourteen as when God talks about when Jesus talks about the way that they're going to know you're my disciples is the way that you love one another. This is crazy. Gods strategy for saving the world was setting up a church a community of people who will love each other really really well it. It wasn't a church service. It wasn't a cool building was fog machines or amazing worship services or the best teaching it wasn't events or programs. His strategy was getting his people together regularly and loving each other having having them love each other with great sacrifice and then inviting the rest of the world to watch it. That's a strategy like to save the world. I want my people to get together regularly. I want you to love each other with really great sacrifice and I want you to invite the rest of the world to come and watch and I can tell you I've been part of church community where I it's rare but I've seen this where we've had groups of people together who are genuinely loving Christians loving other Christians Sakr officially where they're spending high amounts of time with each other and they're pouring out their lives for each other with both their time and their money and they're giving their stuff for each other for each other and then you invite Non-christians people who have yet to believe the message of Jesus you invite them to come and watch that and I've watched as people have surrendered their life to Jesus because they've seen the way one Christian or a group of Christians have loved each other really really well and so. I guess I'm just asking myself I'm asking. Can you like how else do you plan on partnering with God to accomplish that mission if you aren't connected with believers locally and regularly <hes> for sure bro Like I love that you listen to this podcast and all the other podcasts that you listened to draw closer to God but God's plan for saving the world as that his disciples with love each other deeply and Sakr officially and how else are you going to do that and so if you just feel like man I can be fed other somewhere else for sure you can. If you feel like I've been deeply hurt by the church and I'm never going to do it again. Brought like I felt that I felt that deeply but we continue to step in to be part of a local community we continue to take that verse and Hebrews hopefully in deeper context here where we meet together regularly for a few reasons number number one. We want to give of ourselves because we think if we don't there's something missing and local church. There's also we will be missing something we will be missing accountability which has men we need we need discipline and we need fellowship. We need to gather round on and most importantly we wanna be partnering with God to see his kingdom. Come and his will be done on earth as it is in heaven we want to see the advancement of God's kingdom all throughout the world and has strategy to do that is to put believers together there regularly and to say love each other really really well and invite the world to watch so my question to you is man like how else does that can happen whether you're involved in a church on a regular basis or you're not going to church right now at all or you're somewhere in between and hopefully this gives you a better perspective on what God's designed for the whole church thing. was I love you guys. I hope this episode was helpful. I'll see next week guys just reminder if you haven't had a chance to pick up the DAD tired and loving it book brand new book launches in September Third We'd love to have you picked that up to start stumbling your way too spiritual leadership. If you really are committed to lead in your family well. This is the book that's going to help you do that again. Click the link in the show notes or just go to Amazon and Click on search which for data tired and loving it book make sure to preorder copy. You'll get the best price before it launches also if you haven't had a chance to pick up my friend Aaron and Jennifer's new book marriage after God definitely GonNa want to check out that it is one of the best selling marriage books on Amazon right.

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The Church, or Western Consumerism?

Legacy-Dads Podcast

37:51 min | 2 months ago

The Church, or Western Consumerism?

"Are you struggling to balance your modern life and faith. You're in the right place while to the legacy dance. Podcast dante offering biblical based wisdom in that weekly dose of what truly works. Men's lives the legacy dad's podcast real men authentic fame here your host of the legacy. Dad's podcast there. Authentic transparent and not always politically correct. Contagion everyone doctor here from legacy dads and i just wanted to welcome everyone. Back to our podcast. Today i'm flying solo as my brother. Dave is in route and has arrived this weekend to his new home. State of the santa's land aka the state of florida. Before i introduce my special guest. Let me get some business out of the way. Legacy dads is your weekly dose of biblical manhood. This podcast is for men husbands and fathers in all stages of life where we promote an advocate proven biblical principles for leaving a lasting legacy. My special guest today is octavian whom way he resides in south bend indiana and is married to my niece kelly for three years in a month octavian. Welcome to legacy. Dad's thank you dante. I'm glad to be here so octavian so teller legacy dad listeners about yourself give us a little bit of background of who you are where you're from. And how is mary life and how you came to be. We're at today. I would love to so. I was born in burundi africa in nineteen ninety five for history buffs out there. Ninety five win the genocide that was taking place in wanda took place any also spilled over into burundi because they're bordering countries so because of that. My family had to flee lived in tanzania for about five years in that. We found ourselves in refugee camp in zimbabwe for the five years. While we're in zimbabwe there was a ministry call ministries they were taking families in underdeveloped. Nations bringing them to develop nation How they do in by the guide. My family was on the families that was kind of adopted by the ministry. So my family was actually ended up better ministry pundit up with evergreen ministries who is in the west michigan area and they paid for flights took care of housing and food for a while until he got settled. So my family. I grew up in west michigan. I have two younger brothers or the mom and dad came with as well too and then went to bethel college to play soccer study business. That's where met kelly guy. Manley showed that medley. We got married shortly after graduation and probably my junior college is when i started taking my fate serious so junior year in college. I mean when you guys Fled and you came across like tell me about your journey as far as coming to know christ in your family and you know. We're that journey. Took you today is like you said you started taking your face seriously like in this refugee camp you know. Is that where you came to know the lord or through missions outreach unit lord like give me a little bit of background for the listeners to how you how you come to be the disciple that you are today for sure so my dad was born into a christian home and alice raised in a christian home. My mom actually was a catholic when my dad Man got married but she is now a christian so growing up. The word was always kind of in a home. Grew up going to church every sunday. But i think when you are kid. You don't always take things very seriously. So while i was in high school i made some decisions and i think in college I really enjoyed playing out quite a bit. And i think looking back on now at soccer was my idol. Things of this world sometimes become idols. in sacco's different one of those things. It was until junior college went out a few injuries. I wasn't playing as often as i. I usually was in playing walls out. I would like to play when night fell. God kind of like roque me. That's when i just committed my life to honoring him serving him and trump to be the best version of myself. That could be in kind of like no my salvation. That's kind of a quick story. How of my faith journey has been as far. Got it thank you for sharing that with me and in the process of your journey today i noticed that you are an avid Studier of the bible that you're you're walking How you take marriage seriously. How you take your relationship with kelly seriously and how you take the lord series i gotta tell you is been very fun to watch and You know just walk into this family and hopefully the family has been welcoming to you as you have been to us I i loved the to get to know your family your uncles and aunts and just the the servant hood that i noticed at around your wedding even afterwards You were everybody was kind of saying goodbyes. And walking out it was your family and extended family. That was helping everybody. That was in your immediate Proximity cleaning up. And just you know doing what needed to be done. Just to take care of the little ins and outs and it was really impressive for me to watch and you know we were talking last night over by the way to shout out to kate who made a fantastic a homemade spaghetti and meatball dinner last night. We had garlic bread You got into this conversation on. You're making points as far as the church servant hood and what we need to be focusing on today so let's delve into the church. And you were talking about obviously francis chance book and give me a little bit of like where your heart is in and oh i didn't mention that people tell us your age right now. How will the octavian am twenty six. So twenty six years old and you're noticing some things in the church that stuck out to you so tell me some things that you notice some some things that you'd like to address in this podcast. Yes so my wife. And i we will going were attending a church in south bend area and Before covert i mean. The church was great. It was thriving a big church after covert. We walked back into the church and the church was remodeled. They had some doing big project with spending church. 'cause death enough rooms to accommodate for the people that church what tending there so the first of walked back in. They was strobe lights. There was smoke and for us. It was of those things that we realized the in that church like. I'm not questioning your heart. But it seemed like it was more performance. Any was about actually worshiping god and i think when you look at what. The bible says about church the Bible says churches when two more people gathering my name. That's what the church is. So that's one thing. I've noticed in the church. There are other things like. I've kind of been noticing like reading the book lettuce the by francis chan Confirmed some of the stuff. Go seeing because the church as observing. It doesn't look much different from the rest of the world that church values people who are wealthy who are have a lot of power. In wealth skill sets that we on guess idolizes as a as a country at the ability to be like being charismatic. That something the world values. Those skill sets in gifts that play much put on a pedestal in the church but then other people in the church. You don't have those gifts. They just kinda sit in consume in the way the church leagues in the united states has been structured is like about ten percent of people while using the gifts and talents to serve god and everyone else just sitting in consuming. God's word and doing anything about it so that's kind of i was kind of like than reading that book. You cannot confirm some of those things in by season of life where. I'm kind of wrestling with those praying about those things in seeing if we need to do something different with the church you know. It's interesting because i mean you you bring up consumerism and And you know like. I was joking around with you last night. You know if my lot tae was made incorrectly you know at the church. Coffee shop or The smoke and the lights and the the hill song or the elevation performance of the worship team. And all that isn't just right and it's maybe per se the wrong you know worship leader or oh it's that pastor versus really getting connected to what is the word of god and i think i was saying to you. You know it for me. It's like you know an effective worship later for me. This conversation. I have with a brother. Men's ministry these started taking it over two thousand nine just said we need live worship and you know it will joke around like you know we call herself jimmy. They appliances or the misfits. But the thing i love about his heart is that hill open up and he'd just be raw and be really good worship music and i you know the conversation we have is like jimmy. The here's the deal you know i. You're one of my favorite worship leaders. And here's why because you bring songs and and you bring hymns and you bring you know just spiritual songs that open the heart to the believer and the job of a worship leader in my opinion is one that you know correctly represents the word of god in worship and song and spiritual song opens up our heart and why in order to receive the word. And you know hearing you i mean. Obviously you're from burundi. You know you seen many different things even from the perspective of a refugee camp and a lot of times. We don't see these type of church services in the middle east. We don't see these type of church services in you know africa. We don't see a lot of these. You know Church services. And all that and i don't want to take away for the people that have the really good hearts or or influential money used. In the right way is honoring. God stewardship the right way is honoring god but then if it comes to the point of if we lose our way refer forgive our. I love you know then it becomes consumerism and then it becomes a little bit dangerous because are we there to worship god the holy god or were there to worship ourselves because we have to have things just set. What do you say to somebody something like that from your perspective coming from africa. Coming from refugee camp being transported up into michigan. What what does that look like for you and your family or your perspective. What do you want to see in a church. That looks healthy to to octavia. That is a great question I think what it's a great question but it's also inaugurate question. That same time. In that i mean is like church is not about me right so in will ask what does a good church look for you in a sense. It doesn't really matter. Church is about god. So i think for me. It's kind of like as of continue to grow in my faith in. Continue to kind of try to humble myself and some mid to jesus slowed ship. It's about him everything we do everything we are. It's about jesus. So if i show up to a church that don't like something. A question to be asking myself is is distinct. Glorifying to god his girlfriend to god and it's an it's it's okay and you ask yourself that and how do you know. Scoring got is in god's word if it's in god ward and it's it's being done at a church that is something as believers. We need to be way to enjoy when he to Cultivate that encouraged. And then just submit to god's ship and then bringing that more of that until a church so is there is a glorifying worshiping to god says yes. That's the thing that i want to see in a church More specifically i think for us out talk more about what causes Our church so we had something kind of difficult happen in my wife. Weaponized marriage and She was crying over this thing at church and she just opened up to one of her friends. You're the friend Looked at her in assured another example or something like that happened in own life and they just started crying. Start embracing each other at church. And i was like. That's what it's all about like being able to being vulnerable with each other and being around believers who know you well enough to kind of put their arms around you and to this very day. That cup was one of the couples that we enjoy spending our time with and he's done it with a small example of my wife being vulnerable sharing something difficult happening in our marriage and that was Bell was kind of like Reciprocated those stuff would by the by this other woman and as they kinda cried together as i'm watching this i'm like this where it's all about. It's a body of believers broken yet hopeful coming together in and got amen to that what you hit me here. It's like to me. It's like that's the church of ax. You know. that's that's where it what i would say. The rubber meets the road is because it changes it from a place that i just go to on sunday. Or perhaps you know wednesday night or perhaps sunday night or however you guys do worship but it all of a sudden becomes a place where i'm going and there's there's family and you know if we look at it you know we're brothers and sisters in christ and when we say you know the the great church you know the apostles creed talking about christians worldwide. I mean we're all brothers and sisters. It's not about you know whether i'm with paul or whether i'm with markelle whether whether i'm john or whoever it is it's like no. Jesus christ is the headship jesus crisis ahead of the church. And if it's his church we should be identified by the fruit of the spirit. And that's what you're saying right. There is is definitely the fruit of the spirit. And i love to see that. So how you know in everything that you guys are going through. Impacting that you know we talked a little bit about. What is that truly mean. Moving from having the right you know environment the right heart for god's church how do we take that to like letting the rubber meets the road into servant hood based on your observations. You know where you're coming from where you're at and what does that look like. What how does servant hood fit into this matrix that we're talking about being truly part of the body of christ. Yeah i think servant hood is at the center of this so we talk about jesus life jesus came to serve not to be served and give his life as a ransom for many and then you mentioned up the early church in the book of acts and it should read about that church. If you really read what act says about that church you reflect on what our church life is like. It's not even the same thing. it's nine day. Difference is something that i feel like would aspire to get to but we're not close as a as a church back not only my own church by like churches in the united states. I'm not criticizing the church. And i think i need to. Maybe stop and be humble like there's a lot of stuff i don't know yet But i think that's what that's the way it starts about serving other people so in the new testament when you talk about your church like even there's there's a passage that was jeff profound I believe it's Corinthians you talked about even in their poverty. They begged to give more think about the generosity that takes place you think about. People were selling stuff to bring together to share together. They were like living together. They're sharing food that that's the ultimate servant hood and people would just going out and those sharing everything they owned. So i think As we look at that like what is that look like for church is just about. Why are we supposed to do. We have is without gifts and talents talks about. What is the gifted guys giving. You need to try to be more self-aware understand what was gifts are shared those with the saints in our body and then also comes with like. Why are we supposed if you've been given what is it. Time is money is a cars. Can we share those people in need And he starts with church. We start serving each other. That way. I think seven hundred. It's a center of what the church needs to be a bow so that was a great question. That's kind of how i see the church moving Kind of getting better. Yeah and i wanna qualify here. You know the when. I say like what you're bringing up the church of acts don't take license on this at dante octavian or saying this is a form of government. this church has nothing to do with a socialistic model. A communist model of capitalist model. Those are two completely different things when we're talking about truly honoring the body of christ coming together and it's when when you start thinking about others before yourself you know. Think about you know as far as you in kelly. kate nigh You know we we look at these things in. It's like. I have to be as christ was the church to my wife. Kate you have to be that way with with kelly. And that's that. I'm willing to die to self in order to guard and protect and care and help her. Just become the woman that got intended her to be in that process of living life together and so coming together as far as collective body of believers you know if the left hand is suffering in the right hand is able to help the left hand than by all means. The body should help each other out. You know if we're walking in my left foot you know in a limp. You know the rest of the body should say hey. Something's not going on here. You know right. Let's try to get this thing fixed out or fixed in corrected. And that's the thing that i think you know with the the many examples through the new testament even the old testament as far as what churches. And i think when you look at like the way that god intended the church to be. You know when you look at you know the references that jesus in the apostle paul and other apostles it said you know. The church isn't brick and mortar the churches in building the churches living and breathing organism. And i think the more that we get off of this self you know centered Consumerist attitude and we walk into a building. Not worrying about is a coffee line to good. Is that this worship leader that pastor but we literally we change our thought processes by the renewing of our mind saying no i am going into the holy of holies and i'm going to be able to worship the true and living god and not only that he's going to be able to interact with me through his holy spirit so even when i don't understand what is being sadder taught what is being sung. It's the holy spirit that is in what we read about this in romans. Eight twenty six. You know even when we don't know what to say or it's the holy spirit that intervenes for us. And i think that is so critical and i'm glad that you made the point that you did octavian because i think that's really missing you know and i want you to say the american church. I'll say that's really missing in the western church. Because you talk to like dave and you talk to lands and you talk to jaffa and you talk to you know caleb and other guys that we've had throughout our podcast over the years going into the middle east going into africa going into dangerous places where to even mention the name of jesus christ Could put you in a death sentence and the reality of it is. That's where the church of jesus christ is on fire and exploded and it isn't about you know pomp and circumstance isn't about lights or or fog or coffee shop or bookstore. It's about people being connected to the one and only true living. God and i don't want to take away from churches. That do this. But i just want to question you know how we moved to a consumerist eq. You know appetite meaning. What have you done for me lately. Or are we going to be the giver and not worry about what i'm getting in return and when i talk about this giver you know there's to my dad always said growing up that day. There's two types of people. There's takers in there's producers or in other words to the church there's takers and their givers and a true god-given giver is one that does not look to see quid-pro-quo if i'm if i'm giving him a am i taking something back if i'm doing this that i'm getting something in return or there is a gain for me in the process. No a true god-given man of god man of woman driver that is giving from the from what they have been given because it's a stewardship that we've been given of our time. Our talent our treasure is giving to others not expecting anything in return. And that i think when we start approaching worship that way when we start approaching you know the church and worship and singing in exegesis of the scripture and study of god's word then all of a sudden you start having the right elements to set up a revival in the western church when you get to what you said as far as servant hood You know all of a sudden. It's no longer about me. It's about what i can do for others. What what are some other things. Octavian that are sticking out to you your observations of being from african descent to coming here into the western church. And that you just really want to share your heart with our listeners. Yeah i think another thing. That i think is something that's not is not popular in the american church was church is that is suffering suffering is not something that's really discussed much but it's so it's vital to being christ follower. I mean i think james talks about how it produces perseverance. That you may be mature. Incomplete lacking anything. That's something that doesn't get discussed often and like utah. You touched on it. It's like churches more about me. What can church give me in. Church now is an hour and thirty minutes ago into church thirty minutes in. That's it and then we we said that's enough but that's not that's not enough right. It's a body of believers who hold themselves. Accountable was seeking to walk. Which got every step of the way. And it's a journey a journey within a community and the Ship is missing. The fellowship piece is missing walk to their And churches now becoming something. Where like for me. I'll give you an example growing up. I play travel soccer often. So like i would play soccer so if i had a game we're going to church would go to my game so for me. That's like almost as as my parents. And i'm not trying to bash my parents parents but as you decide to potentially be taking your chocolate game is more important than god. If god is truly the most important thing in our lives are we're going to reduce our time with them to an hour and thirty minutes once a week. Like really like the the creator of this world the most important thing and even then if something else comes up church It's like on the back burner. It's it's a secondary thing. It's not like the main thing in god is not the main thing So for me. I'm just trying to humble myself. I'm trying to learn as much as i can concentrate on. What is god calling me calling us. What is what is god's visual tricks. Looks like an not. Just come to us. Being in god's word because the the bible says we the church is the bride right the bright to christ so like always going to be as brian be like you know what jesus you know what this week. We've got a soccer game. When when i showing up like we're not gonna be able to be with you and i just seems Chemical to me. It seems that we miss the point. 'cause people do that in no one really bets in i about it. There's a level of commitment Which held to that standard. So i wanted. I want to delve a little bit more to you. Know the suffering thing and i think a lot of times you know hills and valleys you know desert places you know i i i love song. It's it's a tree sixty three version. Blessed be your name you know. And as i as i go through the suffering that go through the desert place you know i think as i look back and even some of my journey you know. Kate was really sick. And i was in the desert place. You know. I look at first. Peter three fourteen and says but even if you should suffer for what is right you are blessed do not fear their threats do not be threat I'm sorry frightened. And therefore you know it says in first peter four one therefore since christ suffered in his body arm yourselves also with the same attitude because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin and i meet her five ten says and the god of all grace who called you to his eternal glory in christ after you have suffered a little while will himself restore you and make you strong firm and steadfast and you know octavian you. You brought up james and james. Is you know a little bit tougher. Some people to read because you own is very first chapter. You know he says consider it pure joy my brothers and sisters when you face trial and tribulation when you suffer you know by why because it produces a a season of righteous as it produces a season of building your character and giving you that that that just What's the word. I'm looking for that true grit to really understanding like god. And what he's given us through perseverance through his holy spirit and the amazing thing i mean the disciples for three years walked with jesus christ but he says now. I go to be with my father but i'm not. I'm not leaving you alone. You want me to go. Because i'm leaving you my holy spirit and those of us that profess christ jesus christ our lord and savior. We know that the holy spirit in dwells in each and every one of us and the amazing thing about it is that god knowing that through his son to do the perfect sacrifice be become the holy priest gave his holy spirit for each and every one of us to acknowledge who he wants us to be to confess for us to be there for us to comfort us to encourage us into urge us to live a life worthy of jesus christ as as a little bit like i'm not. How old were you exactly when you came here. And what does that look like. In what do you remember as far as that suffering but in the process like you know the lord was there you know the lord provided the the lord was with you each step of the way and even in that suffering when things didn't seem like it all it should be some way. Somehow you know a flight was given to you some way. Somehow a home was provided. Somehow some way you know. Food shelter and clothing was provided. I mean in all of that even in the suffering. I think what you know and i don't wanna put words into your mouth octavian but i want the less listeners to hear this because suffering you know when we have brothers and sisters. Maybe they lose a spouse. Maybe they lost a child. Maybe they lost a parent and trying to cope with it. I think a lot of us fail miserably in the sense of just being there you know like i. I love the story jobs friends. You know job loses everything and three of his friends come. They tear their clothes with him and they sit with him for you know for the first three days or that weaken say nothing to me up until they open their mouth. They did exactly what a friend should do up until that point when they started then all of a sudden making their assumptions their accusations or speaking for god is when they got themselves in trouble. But along way around to come back to you in and just some of the suffering with you. How is it helped you to just really grow closer to god and kind of stretch your faith and dependence not on yourself but on him yes so what am i. Favor quotes comes from Cs lewis he talks. He says that god whispers to us in good times by shouted us in difficult moments. Something along those lines. And i think for me being young i think the suffering. I was a little bit kind of sheltered from that. In that. When i came to the states i was eleven years old but i remember even when i was eleven. I remember mom was very very i policy. He should probably depressed. I think for a season of life. It was really difficult for her to think she's in her late. Twenties early thirties In a totally different culture that she grew up in knows. Absolutely no one outside of just me and my dad and she doesn't speak the language did nothing going not. She couldn't work because she has a speak any english so she said home. Most of the day in that was really tough for her. She actually right now. She's back in tanzania visiting my mom but before that she got nearly twenty five years without seeing her mom or any of her siblings. Dow was really really tough and even for eleven. You're just seeing your mom laying on the couch without any motivation being sad. That's difficult to see kids. Can deputy observance less difficult to see. But in the moments of my life i feel like in the midst of when i feel like i'm in a difficult season that's when i draw closer to god because in the seasons i feel like i have nothing else to press on like in the i talked about earlier about my soccer example in that in the season when soccer was my idol. I went to that. I found relief that i found joy in that when that was taken away from me due to injury due to me not playing. While different circumstances god was only thing left and in those moments. I remember spending more time waiting. God's word more time on my knees praying and really taking faith seriously. And there's a lot of joy that can be had in those moments But everyone faces a suffering differently. But i think as believers we need to strive to suffer. Well i think nonbelievers can learn from that. They can come to know god by seeing a Suffer really well when someone can see. You take a disappointing moment. In your life in you can go through race in peace. That transplant transcends understanding. Nonbelievers will ask question a how you handling that. So well and those great moments for share the gospel. That's where the great commission do play. We're called to get god's word the end of the earth so suffering is something that there's a lot of grey lessons to be learned and i think it's those times when god stretches us the most i think we we get off of what i can do on my own versus. I can only do this with god. And that's the thing is like he. He has plans for us. You know this isn't a prosperity statement. This is anything else like that plans not to harm us. But i think we can rely on the fact that god's abundant life doesn't necessarily mean wealth. It doesn't necessarily mean health. You know health free but it just means that his abundance is enough for me. Whether in my life i'm suffering or others around me that i love suffer it. This life is hard. This life was never meant to be easy. And i think the the more that christians succumb to. It's not about you. But it's all about jesus christ we get off of our own a comfort zone. We get off of our own. It's gotta be this way and self-centeredness consumerist and we moved to. How can we worship. Serve and enjoy a holy god and you know i. I like that in this process of of loss. You know you said you know. I was on my knees and i looked to and not an indictment to you or to myself because i can certainly point this mere right back at me but i think you know even in this process of like. You're talking about idols in my idols. Idols or anything in our life that we put before god and i think you know i. It's not to sit there and say. Do i like travel sports. Do i like soccer baseball. You know reading or hiking or whatever your your your hobby is that you love you know. That's there's nothing wrong. Know we read ecclesiastes you know in everything in life. You work hard you know. Enjoy the fruit of your labor Drink eat and drink you know an e and and be joyful but if you missed that one thing that it's all about god we are but amiss we're but a vapor and if you missed that point that this is all about god then when we get to that point of judgment we get to that point of what could we have done with what he's given us. Think about all the different things and so you know we'll kind of get this thing wrapped up. Maybe one more point from you or something else at sticking out in what we're talking about here but like listeners that you know haven't had your experience or haven't gone through. You know everything that maybe you have encountered as far as what. What would you say to encourage your western sisters and brothers. You know as far as what we're talking about here today activity. Yeah i think one of the biggest thing is just being humble something. I am learning at being humble. And i think everything that we have is from god any sort of mild humility. I may have with someone may have. That's a gift from god. Any sort of we sources what he may have. That's a gift from god and he always starts by like you talked about. You made some really great points. All those things are not bad things there. There's a time in a place to enjoy those things And it's more about immi- being rooted in god's word spent more time in god's word in we need to just make our lies about him. What is it. The god wants from us asking that those difficult questions like. How can i serve you coming into church with the mindset of lloyd. How can i serve you. Serve your believers and you talk about kind of like. I think going through the whole suffering idea. I mean look at jesus life like if we are will christians right so call ourselves so we follow followers of christ. Christ do he served in. He died on the cross for since what call to the same thing for if one being christian that's where about so continuing to look at christ and following his lead in twenty following his lead and not trying to diluted with any sort of different ideas that we have here. But just looking. God's wedding and saying god's word is enough in itself we don't need to add anything to it just following the example. That chrysler also. I think that's at. It's what it's all about. That's why the christian faith is all about relationship with christ in it's about following his leadership and you know you you brought that home for me octavian. I'm very thankful that. I got to spend some time and have my listeners. here why you're such a special part of this family Thank you for spending time with legacy dads and you know what you you touched on the closing comments there. Octavian is exactly what i say you know. Jesus walked with disciples for three years. And you know an an a you know a short walk with The road to amass you know he downloaded you. Know the scriptures In a six six mile walk ten climate or walk but why do they give the example of walking with men for three years. And i think that was not because of what he killed her could not do. I think it was for. Our example of y relationship is so important. And i think when we start to realize like you're talking about what is the church truly. It's a family. And you know family. Shares in suffering a sham family shares in in High times and low times you know hills and valleys but we carry each other's burdens looking at colossians. And i think when we start to realize that it's no longer about myself but others we realize relationship is discipleship is the beginning of understanding what god meant by coming together and you know against this. You know the church that he's talking about the gates of hell cannot prevail. And that is. An unstoppable force in movable force is a god is a church that serves god a church that gets off of itself and its consumerism. And start sitting there saying we are going to take back enemy territory because we're going to serve god today octavian Thanks for taking the time to be with us. You know if if you're here for the first time listening to legacy dad's we just wanna thank you You know if you have time to give us a review you can find us on Apple podcasts. You could find us on spotify. You can find us on our website. Just give us a a good rating you know. Obviously as that's how were noted but if you don't like it Send dave and i just an email of topics that you'd like to address or some questions or concerns but with all that we want to just say god bless Thank you for listening and we just continue to lift you guys up in prayers. God bless thanks so much for listening to this episode of the legacy. Dad's podcast with david. 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An asteroid just missed our planet: "Poly-parent households," "tri-parenting," and the urgency and hope of biblical truth

The Daily Article

07:10 min | 1 year ago

An asteroid just missed our planet: "Poly-parent households," "tri-parenting," and the urgency and hope of biblical truth

"This is the daily Article podcast published by the Denison Forum or culture changing Christians to receive the daily article directly to your email inbox week day morning visit the daily Article Dot Com. Now here's Today's news discerned differently. View struggled to talk with nonbelievers about divisive issues. The you wrestle with consistently studying the Bible you wonder if America is a Christian nation, these are just three of the ten questions. I cover our newest book, Biblical insights, tough questions volume six. We are also offering a beautifully designed limited edition box set of volumes one through six to request our newest volume or the new box set visit daily Article Dot Org ex. Soon as we only print one run of a set number of books including the box set request your copy today at daily Article Dot Org. A physicist has calculated that the universe will end in the next few trillion years according to other experts it could end for US far sooner NASA Administrator Jim Britain's Stein recently testified before Congress that an asteroid strike is perhaps Earth's biggest threat. Last Sunday, his fears were made real when an undetected asteroid made the closest pass without hitting our planet ever recorded. Here's the troubling part. NASA did not see the object until six hours after it flew past us while it was small enough that it would likely have broken up in the atmosphere. It was undetected until it would have been too late to respond what happened in the skies. Overhead is a metaphor for what is happening in the world around us and the situation is more dire than most seemed to think. This New York, times headline caught my eye. The polly parent households are coming the author points to a technological revolution in baby making called IV G. in Vitro D'Amato genesis. This process would allow anyone to manufacture an EG or a sperm cell from a sliver of their own skin and that of others children could be created with genetic material from anyone and any number of people whatever their gender or relational status. IV G is already in laboratory experiments. If successful for humans, the author states that it would dismantle completely. The reproductive structure of heterosexuality through technology that changes everything we've ever known about sex and babies in marriage polly parents may be the future but try parenting in the present according to the Boston Globe lawmakers and or courts in at least twelve US states have that some children can have more than two parents. One example involves a three part intimate relationship among a husband, his wife and a female neighbor, the husband and wife later divorced after the women's split off as a couple, all three have custody of the child. Jesus position on sexual morality was clear. A man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. As a result we are to flee from sexual immorality and to let the marriage bed be defiled. Here's the part of God's Word and our subject that I want us to focus on today Hebrews thirteen four continues for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous if our. Secular Culture is aware of this fact most seemed not to Care Peter warned about those who indulge in the loss of defiling passion and Despise Authority in Second Peter Two ten in this context, the authority is that of the Lord himself. Such people have is full of adultery insatiable for sin and face severe judgment to come. Of course, it's easy for a secular people to discount the warning of spiritual judgment. Peter quoted such skeptics in his. Day In second Peter Three. Where is the promise of his coming forever since the fathers fell asleep all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation. The fact is God delays his judgment only out of his compassion verse nine continues the Lord is not slow to fulfil his promise as some count slowness but his patient toward you not wishing that any should perish but that all should reach repentance however, he will not stay. His judgment forever verse ten, but the day of the Lord will come like a thief and then the heavens will pass away with a roar and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved and the earth and the works that are done on. It will be exposed in light of the certainty of judgment. We must choose lives of godliness and holiness and be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish and at peace. We cannot expect lost people to Adopt Biblical morality in light of judgment by a God they ignore, but we must not adopt their presumption as our own. Every day brings us one day closer to the day when as Second Corinthians, five, ten states we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body whether good or evil, and we must not allow the presumption of our lost culture to deter us from warning those we influence the more cancer patient ignores his disease, the more urgent his doctor's warnings I was asked yesterday in a radio interview to offer ways Christians should respond to the canceled culture censure. Many of us face my suggestion was to reframe such conflict as a divine appointment. The more people reject us for the biblical truths we hold the more they need these truths and the more we respond to their condemnation with Christ like compassion, the more we show them the transforming relevance of our faith and our Lord. We should expect such conflict in our fallen World Francis Chan was right. Something is wrong when our lives make sense to unbelievers, but we should respond with intercession and service that pays forward the grace we have received from the Lord. We love if you knew that a giant meteor was on a collision course with our planet, wouldn't you do everything you could to warn everyone you could. Connect with the Denison Forum on Facebook instagram and twitter to keep the conversation going. Thank you for listening to the daily Article podcast today.

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Sam Crowley | Every day is Saturday | Bringing you to Christ

Spiritual Dope

32:37 min | 10 months ago

Sam Crowley | Every day is Saturday | Bringing you to Christ

"You're listening to the spiritual dough podcasts. With your host brandon handling the spiritual dope pod. Be sure to follow on facebook and on our website spiritual. Don't don't ready set go. Hey there's spiritual dope. I am onto day with the legendary sam. Crowley from every day is saturday and Something i haven't talked about on this podcast is that sandwich. That was like my coach. Like the reason. I have a podcast at all. So y- super excited to have you all miss and what's going on abra greatly backman. It's been a minute since the last time. We chatted fired up in an love spiritual. Don't i think that's a great title for podcasts. Congrats man not appreciate appreciate your a huge inspiration as to why am where an today and i think that your message will really resonate with the people that are listening to this podcast and i always like to start off with like hey God kind of talks to us right. We're just words just here living out his message right. So in that vein What's god saying to you today that my listeners need to hear well i think no matter where you've been man. How big of it. Like i am. The world's biggest group you know. I've made way too many mistakes in my life. And you know too embarrassed to talk about most of We hide a lot from our offense because we're frayed that the other people may not want to hear it or resonate with it and we ended up tripping over our past man. And i'll tell you if you the and i'm not saying gotta put all your stuff out. You don't need to do that but i just did. A facebook live video literally before we jumped on about this topic. So if i could share that. If it's okay i just want to say that you know i help. People really gained clarity with messages. You know and people were like well. I'm not an a list celebrity. You're nobody knows me and i'm not famous at. That's great that works in your favor. Because i'm about you but i am way past wanting to hear from hollywood or a list celebrities about how to live my life or who to vote for or anything like that. Just go to movie or watch a movie you know. I wanna learn from everyday people that are struggling having financial relationship. Money problems not that they're whining on me but they're one step ahead of where i am. So if i'm making ten grand a month. I want to learn from somebody making twenty grand a month. If i'm in a if i got a girlfriend. I wanna learn how to make that person my wife and how treat her right. If i want a closer relationship with god. I wanna plug into somebody. Who doesn't need to be a pastor. Just somebody who's works. messy stuff in their life and they figured out how to just get through the valley figure life. Nobody's got that figured out. So god places on my heart every day. Watch what you say. Crowley 'cause you're a loose cannon out there okay. The tongue can be used for good not so good. It could be used tear down. It could be used to build up so make sure you try is best you can. Because i know you're still gonna screw thing up but you got a podcast. It's been downloaded twenty million times. You've got a little bit of responsibility. Now you're not that bubble on a skillet from way back in the day who could just go all over the place and so i just want everybody to know your pass should be celebrated that you're here you made it through. Nobody wants perfection. They just they just wanna know. Can you get me from point. A to point b. That's all anybody wants. They want to pay you to solve the current problem in their life. If it's cleaning your carpet Trees coaching building a website figuring out a mortgage. That's all they want. man. I love it. Love it You know and that was actually again. One of the things i loved about you right. It was a week we connected you. Are you're promoting your podcast. Course and a bit. As i say i mean This guy's got something that i want right And that can get me somewhere and That was the course. And then when i got the course here sam crowley shows up and like a baseball cap And and you know his a whiteboard flip chart. He's just doing your thing right as i will. Okay that's the next up from me. How can i. how can i move to. What sam's doing right and Share at the same time share. My message should this thing. That's in my heart find it. What is that thing in my heart right. Talk to me about how you know talk. Give the audience here. Who doesn't know every day. Is saturday a little bit of background. Well my daughter back. In the day. I was a corporate slaven. The corporate game for fifteen years and i don't look against dourson mouth. I was making about one hundred ten grand a year salary. Stock options company car. All that stuff but i had just become a dan recently a few years prior that and my dad left me and my mom raised kids by herself. This the late sixty thousand born in nineteen sixty eight. My dad left. You'd hattie went crazy. just lost. his mind left my mom's raising so you know welfare and all that stuff free cheese goodwill close all that and You know alcoholic mom pretty decent verbally. But i knew she loved him. He'd be done knew she loved me. She never told me. Never once from apparent my life or you are loved. And i searched for that my whole life lock to do with wide. Sometimes i do stupid. Things is because i'm looking for that Acceptance because i never had it grown up all i ever heard from my mom was endograph for you and i never wanted you. That's what you told me a lot while she was on the ball. So i'd never about against though so i said god if you ever get kids. I'm just going to be the best. I'm going be that dad. I'm going to be throwing the football. I'm going to be going to games the ballet on picking and you know what man. My daughters have never. They don't even know me ever having a job if they don't recall ever going to a job and they don't ever resident and they know me as the guy that's in the drop off line and the pickup line at school and look man. I am not you know mr mom. I've got a wife at twenty two years. He does an amazing job. We have four daughters now. Youngest of which side story was born at twenty four weeks one pound and we didn't sleep for three years because the kid was in children's hospital two hundred twenty one days begging for life then she comes home. we turn our house in hospital us on a ventilator and all of that so you know the everyday saturday story by the way she's six years old now the happiest kid you'd ever see no trick no ventilator still has a little bit of a feeding tube stuttering problem things like that but she's built in the image of the creator just like you are just like every listener is built in the embassy with greater. You know i'm a christian. So i believe that we all have the holy spirit inside of us and i think it would be a pretty cool conversation when we get to heaven. Everybody in the old testament. You got moses. David got everybody like and they say what was it like to live with the holy spirit inside you We didn't have that before. Christ well that would be like. Wow you got all these people. In the old testament would've loved to have had the holy spirit the spirit jesus left behind when he died on the cross inside of them. We're bulletproof man. You know we're all here for a short period of time. That's why i walk around kind of a chip on my shoulder not to be an ass but just to say. Hey i got the holy spirit inside of me. I don't worry about finances. I have a little bit of anxiety. And we're about my but i but that's what it means to me in the whole everyday saturday message is is an opportunity for me to show up as my real self and i know i'm gonna make some people piss people off i get it i'm gonna choir taste. Nah i'm not everybody's cup of tea. I get it but i've been able to. You know through only through the grace of god in the holy spirit inside of me to be able to build a movement here that people can resonate with just allows i teach people how to share a compelling story. I teach people how to ten minutes story podcasts. In my car. Dunkin donuts parking lot. And i've been doing for fifteen years and that's really the crux of my business. It's so embarrassing. But it's what i do like. That's all i do not and and it works for you right I never knew the part where never never caught. The gm never even said that You know i love you. That's tough man. This is a tough way to tough way to grow up. But thank you appreciate. It makes your because it makes you do a one eighty in life if you've been if you've been an alcoholic really makes you want when you finally get on that and you're sober for x. Amount of days or you've been a drug addict or you gonna up. You've been addicted to porn We all have addictions man. I was addicted to money and ego all that. But when you never hear. I love you. You say it all the time to your kids when you don't have drank dirty. Make sure you're more cognizant. Forgiving of those that are going through tough times. I'm not trying to go all the other way. But i really think it's a blessing if you could just look at it from that perspective. You know we yeah. I think it's a. It's a big challenge to to get to that point. You gotta get you gotta get to that point to be able to say you know everything that i went through was to prepare me for what i need to go through right or to help other or to help others get through similar things right be like. Hey here's here's a path forward. You know where you are right now. if you're talking to somebody that in a similar situation that you went through but like there's a way out and here here's what i found that works for me right I love tied brought up like a. You know kind of the holy spirit right being involved with that. I mean i'm not a hundred percent. Sure which mean by that so could tell the audience what that means to you. I'd love love show that jesus said that i leave my sphere with you when i die. I'm going to have an. I'm seated at the right across. And i will come back again. One day to judge living in the debt you know and as christians. We know that jesus died on the cross for all of our sins. We christianity is not a deeds dribble religion. You can't go and give money to the homeless or donate your clothes or save ten. Our fathers and hail mary or anything like that. That's not getting you. God's already given us through the grace of his son's death we we have that tickets punch so it's not like you go out there and you don't act nice. It's just that it doesn't matter brandon. You could give all your money away all your earthly possessions away. I could go kill somebody. And you and i are still getting heaven as long as i ask for forgiveness of my sins and accept christ as saviors there. There are ten commandments. In the bible thou shall not steal is one of them that you know. So if you steal dollar from somebody knowingly and i go kill someone. Those are viewed equally in the bible. As as you've broken commandment there is no little white. Lie or them being center of sin asta so what it needs to have the holy spirit inside of us that you've got that power of jesus christ inside of you doesn't mean you won't die of cancer now. I mean that we have. It's a ball and world. that's the other side of the coin you know. I've lost friends in my thirties and forties. I lost my mom in nineteen ninety-seven. I mean i've had nasty things done to me. I've done nasty things that people it's a fallen world man. We also have this call free. Will you know but when you have the holy spirit inside of you that means you have. Jesus christ himself inside of you so when you have those bills that are sitting on your coffee table and you just got laid off. It's not like it's get out of jail free card. But it should allow you to rest in the peacefulness of christ to know that we this is just the temporary gig and even if you lifted immortal aged seventy eight the average mortality in the us Analogy of a gentleman. This pastor francis chan who uses algae magazine a row that goes all around the world millions and millions of times. it's bigger and it. Millions and millions and millions and millions of speed. This row at the very beginning of this rope is just that red marker like that just brakes very beginning. that's like earth rest of the rope represents eternity. so that's why like. I said i get mad. I fly off the handle. You know i get anxious about stuff but when you rest in the word you're never anxious because you're resting in christ himself this all just such temporary gig man. It is an loved the idea to you you You don't hide this from anyone or at least back it up. Because when when i did when i was a big listener of yours. You're i think just kind of leading into sharing. You know your christianity like full-on like super hard right like it was your what is it. What's the armor of god ages. Or whatever like that right like this is like were just going full on You talk about what it meant for you to Incorporate that into your podcast. Well i've always been a chris wise. He grow catholic. And then in two thousand five i would. I would say that's where most people would view as the word like being saved like you've accepted christ into your heart you know and then around five years ago or so when i was going through all this stuff with my daughter mcmahon all i have all we had was faith. That's all we have. We didn't have anything other than our faith. I'm not. I don't know what to do with the kid born at one pound with a whole heart. Several brain bleeds. No she can see me. I mean what do you do with the kid one path. All you have faith in god. That's at that point. At least that's all. I had so i started sharing more of it on social media and then what's funny is i. I just one down. I send email out to my list. And i hate me. I gotta give praise god. You know i. I don't know if you guys get this. But i am a christian i believe in god i just like everything i just told you know and i had an email list of thirty nine thousand people at the time and i said hey if you're If you wanna stay on my list man and you believe this message click this link while thirty eight thousand of them did so my email is basically went from thirty nine thousand one thousand but my business increase that year so i i mean i don't know but i. I'm not a preacher pastor teacher. You know a tony. Robbins would acknowledge that. All of the motivation that he says or jim rohn or less brought it all comes from the bible. It's all the parables. Did tony talks about jim. Rohn if you've never listened to him on youtube it's a must-listen. They all come from the bible. Bob proctor. They're all biblically. Based you know and so there sixty six of the best motivational books. You'll ever hear all wrapped into one book called the bible and a lot of people butcher. The money's the root of all evil now. The of money is the root of all evil. It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to get into heaven. Okay but that's because money's reference. There's a reason why. Reference more than any other phase in the bible. Because god knew it would become an idol to us you know. So i'm not a pastor. I'm just really in tuned with the christian message and if anybody wants to talk about religion over a beer a glass of merlot on that guy if you want me to quote scripture. I'm not that guy. Because i can barely quote it but i know who wrote it and got a pretty good relationship with the guy. I think you know but i'm not here to bring anybody to christ. I'm here if anybody were to say. Tell me more about it like you did. I'm here to tell you more about it. But i think the worst thing we can do as christians is to try to beat the fish into the boat repent repent. You know your last eight now because people don't think people resonate with more how you carry yourself than how you can quote scripture that actually turns me off on somebody does that like quotes the bible and throws it back at me. You know now that that can be that can be annoying but it's funny. It's funny that you bring up Bob proctor right And and that. Line the The idea of people resist change. They resist being changed right from bob. Parker like that's one of his lines The bottle you bring it up like a you know. Maybe your job's not to bring people to christ. But we you and i had a conversation where in that moment you felt like part of your role was to bring people to christ. Even you don't feel like that's your job. What does it mean to bring someone to christ then. Well i think we have mutual friend Adam who is thanked me because he claims that i had brought him. Christ he got baptized and he let me know about it. One day. it's years ago. Saying hey amy. I'll bet that won't you know you're the reason i came to christ x. Pretty big deal. And like i would give away all my money and everything got some if i were to get that message you know because as call says in all the say the reason they were persecuted and all that is because they want they were preaching the gospel. You know and we're the only reason we're here is. Christians is the sheridan good news. I gotta tell you. I ain't going to kroger in the produce section and sharon. The good news was a stranger. I just don't do that. And i know supposed to do that but i just can't do that. You know but to bring somebody to crisis like that is monumental amazing. Because now we know that they have that everything. I just talked about earlier. They rest in peace and they have that relationship and it's a personal relationship to everybody. That's why i'm not in your face. It's percy to people so you know if you are messing up. I'm not here to say you know. Stop watching the foreigner. Stop stealing money or stopped. The ambling that examine if you if you wanna talk about it. If i can help you at all i can share some great resources with you but only when you're ready because if you're not ready it's it has the opposite effect you know not that a lot to I think that's almost fair to of some of these Know put ourselves out there some of these endeavors but also be willing to take that step towards that. That's something that you think is good for you like oh go explore it and go find out what it's like and again go to somebody like sam or others like you know for for christianity or passing marketing right for me. I think i think a big part of this whole journey has been having faith in. What's inside of me right the spirit Inside of me. Holy spirit. I guess right. I think that i could make that linkage feeling that and then stepping this was another huge. I love that still like this is a lie. That echoes from sam's podcasts. Back in the day because when was the last time you stepped out. In faith right yeah. I'm sure you've probably said it several times since then On the podcast. But you would hear. Say i'm gonna win. Was the last time he stepped up was the last time you went out. And you did something that You you believed in right and in right With purpose impassioned and sam. If you haven't listened to sam's podcast this is something that he does very well Told him i hadn't listened for a minute and picked up podcast. Listen a few this morning. In sam's lake charging charging gung ho with everything and So much it was so much fun just to because you are motivational. You are inspiring Caught the one where You know your daughter was being bullied right And just just how far and how authentic you are On your podcast when somebody reaches out to you where should they be in life. Or what should they be thinking when they reach out to sam to have you a code. Zimmer mentor them for podcasting. They gotta be ready to step lucky to set it. Step out a lot of people really just that way to man. I'm not here again. You gotta be ready. You've you've got gotta be ready to launch your message. That sounds pretty scary. what do i do. It's nothing i mean. It's just let me help you gain clarity on what your messages. Like i said he could be carpet cleaner tree trimming trees. You could be a motivational speaker. Whatever it is you wanna do. But everything comes to us through the power of a story. And i teach people how to tell their story. So you gotta be ready to create your million dollar message and then learn how to make money with that message. That's organic play. It's not a push button. I mean we can all by facebook ads drive traffic to a funnel in deal with all those numbers. I'm more of an organic guy. Where like the build it from podcasting is my main thing but you could do it on youtube. You could do it on twitter linked in instagram. i'm just. I focused on podcast. Because i've been doing it fifteen years and i like to do simple better. You know if you talk about that one phrase right there do simple better so keep it simple and do it better than everybody else. Don't keep look squirrel and you go chasing ten different things. it's just. I've seen that i've done. How do i know. It doesn't work at all the stuff i talk about. It doesn't work. Only way i know is because i've actually done it myself. You know and so. I've chased squirrels the shiny objects they can get on a webinar. Oh my god. I'm gonna do. Real estate leans intact tax. And i'm gonna go commercial real estate gobi mlm have lotions potions pills in my basement. My i've done all that man and you know what that works. There's billionaires in the ministry. you know who isn't passionate about lotions potions and pills this guy me. I wouldn't be good at it. Because i'm not passionate about owning passionate about getting on a podcast with and talking about stuff that's real and you know when you talking about faith a faith. It's never been tested. Can't be trusted. So if you think that you're going to operate that faith muscle without ever stepping out. It ain't gonna work because if you've never tested it how could you possibly trust it. You know always so much fun with sam crowley always so much fun Salmon we got kind of a short time period today. So i'm not going to try and dragging yeah. Well i mean you know were when when When you also talked about you know being saved in two thousand five right I'm curious what that looked like and felt like for you. Well i had been through a bankruptcy. So i was humbled by god when he when you're ready to come to him he i think he's gonna humble everybody at some point in time. I had an ego the size of montana. Like i said i was running a ninety million dollar corporate division here in cincinnati and all these employees problem was that had twenty. College credits most Jim in health class. I was ill prepared to manage anybody. I couldn't get my dog Let alone get employees to listen to me. I was not a leader. I know. I am not john maxwell. Okay so i was just terrible. I think what i did. But i was getting all these accolades didn't getting promoted but i didn't have a passion for it and it all came crashing down. I laughed and i thought it was gonna be. I bought a quiz knows franchise that went to hell Bankrupt law three hundred grand borrowed money from my sister lost app. I had no money man. No money filed bankruptcy october eleventh. Two thousand five. It was humbling Bankruptcies scarlet letter thought. You could just not ever recover. It's done you're done. And i lost my job and why left my job but then i went back to my job three months later working for everybody that used to work for me. And that's what's the are going to church with my wife. And i'm like man. This is crazy was putting her hand in the air. What we don't do that at catlin is grown up catholic. You don't talk in church you know. What's that powerpoint up there and this is this. What is this a movie theater production or something but then it started to work in. And that's does. He starts to work on a broken heart a broken person. you can't. We got this facade up. Got an eagle. I you know. God can't go to work on you. But he will. He'll get to you and he'll get you through the crack in your armor and we all got a crack in armor and he'll use and satan will get through the cracks in your honor two and when satan gets to you through pornography drugs through alcohol through money. He knows the crack in your arm where he will work that crack. God was looking for the light. And he's looking to work with you and work on your heart. Satan's looking to do one thing at all. He can do is what he's got a lie. All he does is lying on one trick. That's the lighting. So when i was saved i accept christ as a man can't do this anymore. I don't want the ego. I just don't want any. I just wanna relationship with god. Now i know why i'm here and that's you know what happens as powerful. I'd never heard that story from you before. So i appreciate you sharing that when when you not now. You're now you're full in right. Do you feel like you're a business more filling. Because you got your spirituality who lead on it. I think so. Yeah i mean look. I don't have figured out I feel like i have. I listen to great podcasts. Elevation church even fertig in north. Carolina loved Podcast i listen to a lot of spiritual things like that audio books to keep my mind were needs to be. And here's the thing. I do have that. I don't think i used to have as my feel myself. Straying off course. God brings me back and look. Keep the main thing to many thing. Remember your dad your husband. You know this businesses in everything. 'cause look i have two nouns like everybody does in business in relationships in you know finances all that stuff in health but i feel like you know now at least dot kind of internal gps. Guiding me. i didn't have that before. You mentioned like the health part. I know i remember when the big parts to first We're doing the hundred laps. I think through the paper right And that's that's actually what i mean. I ended up doing it too. Which is really funny. ended up. You know swim in and doing a triathlon and getting healthy House tyne into to kind of everything. You're doing too well. My wife and i joined this eight week fitness group six weeks ago and i weighed to ten but i kind of purpose. 'cause i drove the car off the cliff with food night before i started when out to a big dinner. My wife By weight in at two ten down to one ninety. It's only been five weeks on week. Six now My wife and i have grown very close together through this. Because we're doing it together. I drag her kicking and screaming. My wife is not overweight. like outlined. do this styling. let's do in. But she feels amazing. We feel amazing. We've gone closer. We eat together now breakfast lunch dinner. 'cause we got the same types of foods and stuff and i always think debt you know. Health is so amazing fifty two years old man. I feel like a twenty five. I mean i really. And i'm not just saying i really do. I feel aches and pains. And i got up a little bit in the morning that i didn't when i was younger but i mean i'm running three four times a week. I'm lifting three times a week. I feel like i could you know. Get not ring with a guerilla crap out of him. I feel like i could outrun roger. Bannister man you know all of this at the same time and i say that jokingly because i can't do any of that but health wise right now i feel a just getting healthier and stronger in my mind is sharper and for example. I gave up cream. I i never had sugar as gave up sugar longtime. I gave up sugar pasta a long time ago. Still eat bread sometimes. Well now drinking black coffee. I'm not a black coffee at all. Like i i. I wanted to vomit on the first day. I thought i'd have to have black coffee. Well now you get a little bit of flavored coffee like cinnamon or snickerdoodles something like that. It doesn't count against you. It's all about that intermittent fasting. You know what i mean. Sure on the black coffee guy. Now go back to cream. I haven't had cream in six weeks. I haven't had sugared six weeks outside of fruit. Natural sugar feel amazing. Imagine imagine putting cream in your wine. That's what she'd be doing now right. That's what it's like. I mean because i've been a black coffee guy for years later. When i see people put cream and sugar like that's why would you ruin a good coffee. You should go to dunkin because there are people who at get twelve. Thirteen sugars okay. I don't know if you've seen it. But i was in line the other day at dunkin getting a black coffee leaf. Y'all have five sugars and ana caramel swirl coffee which is st lease huckle. Oh my gosh. I said to the girl with a fine sure. Shershukov a guy before you had thirteen go thirteen. How new even drink coffee with thirteen sugars. stink of what we're doing to our body. I can't i'd i'd All that all that inclusive all that included. So you mentioned you mentioned a couple podcasts. What are some audibles. I guess that you liked to keep your hospitality. Mojo going like audio books or podcasts. Or audiobooks podcasts resources if you know the people looking for spiritual but i like to call spiritual dope Get their hit. Where would they go like. What are you like well. I think there's a few. Stephen verdict number one like i said elevation church. I love it chris. Valentine has some great audiobooks. The one i listened to recently was called poverty. Riches and wealth it's v. as in victor a. l. l. ot. T. owen. chris. Valentine kris with a k. k. r. i s. and. That's a great audio book. It's a biblically based book about poverty. Riches and wealth in a doesn't make you feel ashamed for being a wealthy christian araine. Because god wants to be prosperous. He just doesn't want us to idolize money. That's and so look. If there weren't any wealthy christians. Churches wouldn't be bill hospital england and get funded things like that. We need very very wealthy. People who know how to use that money for god's kingdom so bells at types of audible audio. I searched for are wealthy. Both i don't mean wealthy just money wise. I mean wealthy. But i am not gonna listen to somebody who says. Give all your money away. But that's crazy you know god. We can't money's just a tool. It's like the old adage. I don't know who said it but the government can sure knows how to ruin a good piece of paper. Put me on you know money but now it's just i like wealthy christians who do good things. I mean rick. Warren wrote purpose driven life. You know and that guy reversed type is ninety percent of his money. He gives away lives on ten percent. Now i understand ten percent ten million or whatever. The guy has a lot of money but still he's given away. People could make that money and give away ninety percent. You know so. Those are the types of teachings. I'd like to listen to that. That's powerful fest powerful minds me of a young buddhist reverend on not talk to him every once in awhile and he talks about Being able to give with wisdom right not just not just like give it all away but to be able to give and know that it's going to a place it's going to have an impact. It's like an investment society right. Where's this going to best best best best Zip brother didn't have a whole lot for your day. Man has been a minute. I wanted smart. Yeah wanted to get you on and and just you know thank you again for being the inspiration that you were and are And you continue to be for others what it looks like to you. Know be shining light and have a flourishing business. And that's something. I think you've exemplified. Thank you and it's great catching up with you man. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Absolutely where do i send people to go. Find the sam crowley. Hey i've got a brand new video. Put out in. Launched my movement dot com check out i will launch and your entire podcast for you woah. Wait a second. Was that look like what's it look like. All you gotta do is literally talk. I put everything together with a monetization plan to show you how to make six figures with you. Podcast zoom all. You gotta do is literally just speak into the microphone. That i tell you to buy part is done while. Wow okay it's done for you. Podcast is programmed to go to launch my movement dot com. That's awesome that's great that's great And the guys you guys and girls has been doing it for a long time He is a coach for tony. Robins right. Can i say that talks about the coaches out of pocket. Yes i mean you know. It's not like you some dude. Just well he may be doing basement and he is definitely is out there in a car in front of dunkin donuts. But you know Reach out on because e it's been doing it for a long time and if you've got a mess on your heart he can help you get that out there and the part about like hat being hand held like to get through it and with that kind of plan. That's awesome. sam. Thanks for putting that out there for people back to being a good student dude. I remember when we. I remember when we started working together three years ago and i know that you were a bit apprehensive. I just know you were will be. I started working together. Lenses guy. what am i getting myself into and look where we are over three years still friends and we respect each other. And that's what happens when you get into a relationship with people on the internet you know you can have these long lasting friendships and somebody can still pay you money. And that doesn't mean you look at them with a dollar sign on their forehead. We you know we'll be talking for a long time to come so don't be afraid. Put your message out there. you'll attract individuals like attractive brandon's and here. We are three and a half almost four years later still in touch with each other. That's the power of billing frontiers out of client relations. Great thanks for listening to the spiritual dust spiritual be sure to follow us on facebook and on our website. Dust spiritual dot com.

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Identifying False Teachers

Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

1:22:38 hr | 1 year ago

Identifying False Teachers

"Today on the rap report. We have something for you. That is snatched them from the flames home edition. This is session number four where I your host Andrew. Rappaport was teaching on the way to identify false teachers through the entire book of Jude. Yes, we will get through the entire book of Jude. In less than an hour and a half and in the process. Teach you how to identify false teachers. If you WANNA, see the full seven plus hours of snatch them from the flames. Just go to striving for eternity dot org. Then go to the online events, and you can see the full conference. And it's something you can have your church. Just invite us out to speak. Coming your way now on the rap report identifying false teachers. Come to the rap report with your house and Rappaport, where we provide biblical interpretation and Application Mrs Administrated, striving for Eternity and the Christian podcast community for more content or request a speaker for your church. Go to striving for eternity God more. I've so just a reminder for folks. If, you'd like to get half off at our books and I was just informed. That are shipping is off so you're actually getting a better price on ship in. We're losing by five dollars per book. Or per shipment, with some of the larger shipments, but That's fine If you use the code move in your Discount Code, you'll get fifty percent off on all books and syllabuses, so if you ever wanted to take are striving for turning academies, you WANNA. Take that longer addition that I was referring to of the biblical. Herman class while you can get this. This Academy syllabus half price We don't. We've never actually done this before. So an actually I didn't ask my board so I may have gotten in trouble we'll see. I just made the executive decision that we're doing half off to save us from moving all the inventory So, what do they believe? What do we believe? If those it'd be a great time to buy those? We have a lot of those, so we can carry less of them. When we move out to Pennsylvania moving everything out there, so that would be helpful again just to remind you. Justin Peters got a new website, so check that out also. As just a reminder, your please be sharing the this on on social media We want to be able to have people get this teaching, but if you'd like us to come to your church Justin I can do that. We do something different Justin. You brought up in the last session. Some things with social justice and what we're doing, is we. We come to your church. Church we could do an all day. Saturday, which would be similar to what we're doing here, but if you if your church wants to have the Friday night session what we ended up doing is including to new to new sessions that we haven't done that will include social justice include another speaker Anthony Semestral and if Anthony can't get there tonight, do the social justice because we. Both talked about that. So. Those are some things that are available for you and What will do now is an justin. Do you have any other any other announcements that you need to make anything going on with? Even going on with ministry no well. I'm working on a right now. turning nine clouds without water seminar into a book. I'm going to write two books on the first. One's going to leave. A short book is going to be translated into Russian really soon and working on that right now. Hope to have that finished in the next couple of three weeks and then Lord Willing later I'll since this will be short book up. It's more meat on the bones and make it into a longer book bit more. You know comprehensive though turning. Into a book that will be very helpful. Because one of the questions we were getting was resources and so That'll be helpful. Well. We're going to do now. is we will transition into the? Book of Jude and so I'M GONNA. Let Justin put him in the back stage. And this is now identifying false teachers what I'd like to do with Y'all is to go through the book of Jude and Jude Is A. inner the this this whole book. We could argue we're going to cover and so because this book it's going to help us to identify false teachers. We're going to go through the book. Jude now I just have no fear. I'd only took me four months to preach through this church so I hope you'll have your snacks. Your coffee your pillows. You're already, but WE'RE GONNA do it in less time than that. We were going to look at twenty eight traits of a false teacher. Now Johnson can do these things with eight and. Five points I'm doing twenty eight, so we're going to be here a little bit, but let's talk about false teachers Maybe you can identify some of the people here. There's a number of false teachers and that number continues to grow. We must have an understanding of how to identify these people why because the Bible commands us to identify and Mark False teachers and And in order to mark a false teacher you, I must know how to identify a false teacher, and you know just will often mention that every book in the New Testament, except for one mentions false teacher, which one I'll get to that in a bit, but let's start by the fact that would jude says in Jude chat the first three, the first two. Two versus Jude's introducing himself. Jude a servant of Jesus Christ in the brother of Jesus, to those who are called beloved in God. The father and kept Jesus Christ may the mercy of Peace May. Mercy Peace and love multi you then he gets into the meat of his of his letter in verse three, and he says beloved, although I was eager to write. Write to you about our comments ovation. I found it necessary to write a of appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints, so the the issue is really wanted. He desperately wanted to talk about the common salvation that they have, but he was fractured to ask them to contend for the faith, and that's what. What you end up seeing this the Greek word there it means to be pressured. It means that he felt the pressure that because he was worried about these false teachers. He felt there was an obligation that he had to put aside what he'd prefer to speak about and just an I share this as well. The the two of US would love to sit here. Here and spend this day with you. Talking about the common salvation half we could talk about the glories of Christ, the riches that we could see in the person and nature of Jesus Christ to talk about the glories of what it will be like to sit at his feet, and to rejoice with him without sin. That would be so wonderful to speak about. About an yet because these false teachers exists, we are pressured. It is necessary for us to have to do this to teach people how to discern false teachers. We don't WANNA be here. Warning about false teachers both Justin I would prefer that. We didn't have to do this at all that there wouldn't be any false teachers and we wouldn't need to be doing. Doing these sort of seminars we'd much rather talk about that common faith. However, we too are pressured to do so and so Let's begin. We're GONNA. Work our way through and unfortunately I didn't number each of these I probably should have, but this is the first of them. I'll say it's the I. Forget the rest of the numbers because I won't remember. I could give you the longer. The the full twenty eight that will that will have any slides, but the first one we see in verse four is that they creep into the church announced by for certain men have crept in unnoticed. Who long ago were designated for this condemnation? Ungodly Pizza will get to the the the set bit so first thing we see. Is that they they slipping stealthily? That's what we see in this Greek? How they? They crept in unnoticed. It means that they slipped in stealthily. Nobody wakes up and says I want to be a false teacher today. No, they slowly deceived or deceiving there there. You have to remember something about false teachers. They are likable people. If they're not likeable people, they don't get followers. People follow the truth, and they'll follow someone who standards in Stutters, and and just can't get words out. They will follow. Follow someone like that if they're preaching the truth because that person is more interested in the truth, but someone who's not likeable, is not going to get an audience if they're not teaching truth, and that's the thing you have to recognize about false teachers, they are likable people, and because of that they slip in stealthily. They slip in and become something that where people just look at them like why like them? You, you know. We already spoke about Francis Chan. Justin brought that up Francis. Chan, graduate from Master Seminary, one of the best seminaries in the world that we. We know of master. Seventy Grad now promotes the Roman Catholic Church. We're going to show that he is. He's not only promoting Benny Hinn and todd white. He now promotes Roman Catholic doctrines. We're going to see that in a little bit. Would you end up seeing is why is it that people sit there and still defend him for very simple reason they like him. Why is it the Francis China's promoting? Benny Hinn and todd white well? He already says why because he likes them. He got to meet these people he meets bill. Johnson likes him, but just because you. You like someone doesn't mean they're teaching truth, and just because you like them doesn't mean you don't call them out. One of the things that that I appreciate his men in my life. Who just because we're friends and they like me. That doesn't mean they will call me out. In fact, this is a known thing that I say all the time, but to get to be a board member at striving for eternity. There's two things you must do one. You have to have a heart for the ministry, but to you have to have displayed a willingness to correct me. Me In other words. We don't want people on our board. That just say why like Andrew He I don't WanNa I. DON'T WANNA. Say Anything No. I take that so serious. That I want people around me. That will correct me. It's one of the things I love about Justin. You know I know that if I step out of line Justin is going to be one of the first people to call me up and let me know that I surround myself with people that are willing to confront me because I want to be more like Christ than I need that. That maybe of you guys don't need as much as I need, but I need a lot of it, and so that's the thing is. Would you see these people are like that's how they slip in you. You have the Beth Moore's Beth more used to be a conservative. She hangs out with word of faith. She's talking about dreams all the time. You already saw that in injustice earlier this morning. We're just showing the clips were. She is no longer wanting to say. The word of God is enough for her. We're GONNA see that even more in this session, but. But you have guys like Andy Stanley Andy Stanley who used his father's name who started out as Southern Baptist conservative? He now denies the word of God, Andy Stanley says well, we need. We need to set apart the Old Testament we need to unhitch the Old Testament from the New Testament. What one of things Andy Stanley doesn't like about? The parts of the Old Testament is that it talks about things like slavery. He doesn't like that very much. He doesn't like some of the things that are mentioned in the Old Testament, so he wants to unhitch the old new. New With Justin has mentioned many times that every book of the Bible every book of the Bible in its everybody New Testament warns against false teaching. Except for one will you WANNA something every New Testament book also refers back to the Old Testament except for one, and it's the same one fi Leeman what is the topic of even slavery coupes there goes Andy Stanley. He's got nothing left. If he unhinges the Old Testament from the new, he adds to remove every book of the new except for Leman, which is the one he won't like because it talks about slavery. So, he's got nothing left. Okay. Now, here's the thing I want you to notice? Was We look at it? Says who long ago were designated for this condemnation. You recognize this. These false teachers are they do not surprise God. God is not surprised by these false teachers. He knew these false teachers would be teaching what they do and long ago designated them for condemnation. Now it's interesting because in the Greek air, the word designate designated and condemnation are definitive articles so that is that they long ago that who were long ago were the designated for the condemnation. And so what we see right off. The Bat is the fact that they creep in an noticed. That is important recognized because. God through. Jude is letting us know that this is something that we should expect to see that. There will be people that try to sneak into the church and and end up Teaching things that are that are well ungodly as we see in both chapter verse four and Verse Fifteen, and we see here in this this ungodly, we see here that they do not seek the things of God. They're they're always going. False teachers seek selfishness they seek self, and to please self over pleasing God Justin. Already brought that out the. You're going to see a lot of overlap here because there's nothing new under the sun with these false teachers, many of these false teachers keep to an inner circle of people what you're going to see what those teachers they don't WanNa have general A regular contact with the congregation they wanna have a close themselves off to the people to to the majority of the congregation and that way they can end up having just the few who they trust and know them. They limit themselves those few that already know the pattern a life and have no issue with it though is that have issue with it? Usually get they get rid of them, but they're ungodly. They pervert the true The grace of God with sensuality we see that in verse four as well so not only were they designated for condemnation, but they're ungodly people who pervert the grace of God into sensuality. We see this word sensuality is. Is has the idea of of an extreme immorality, not just a a small immorality, not something with just having a Strang, I or something. No, they they go to the extreme men where they do, is they? They take the grace of God, and they pervert it into sensuality. You can see this throughout you could look at men like Joseph Smith, who used his the claiming to be a prophet and speaking for God, so he could, he could end up having relations, supposedly having multiple marriages, and he would marry not only women who are already married. He'll marry sisters. Even if both of them are married to other people, he would even marry children and. And, so you have serious issues with people that take the grace of God and they pervert for sensuality. There's two major issues that you're gonNA see with false teachers, and you're going to see this repeated throughout talk as you saw it in the last talk is sensuality and authority. That's two areas. False teachers have a consistent problem with you know. I had a couple that wants came to me and asking they were getting ready to get married, and they asked me a question they wanted to know. How far can we go before we get married without sending? How far physically can we go my answer to them? was you already went too far in? In other words, the fact that you're asking that question. How far can we go? How close to the line can we come? We're before it's sin will asking that question exposes a desire for sensuality that's unhealthy and the problem with false teachers is. They don't just have that desire. They push the limits of it. That's the idea they're pushing it to see how far they go. How far they GONNA go. They're going to go to the point where they deny Jesus Christ the end up seeing then verse four, and they deny are only master and Lord Jesus Christ. They end up denying God the this has the meaning that they disown or disregard God. They they profess to be God's servants the whole time while they're denying the very teachings, they're very denying him in their very teachings and their practice. They only give lip service to God. Justin already mentioned at the end up seeing. What are they known for? They're not known for their godliness. They're not known for their teaching about God or they're teaching about Bible. They're known for teaching about themselves. The they teach things that will cause people to stray from God. Nay May hold up a Bible or use it in in a in in two to read from billy. Joel Stein every week when he he's GonNa, hold up a Bible before service and he's going to. He's going to refer to the Bible in the beginning of service, and that's the last time in the rest of the service that he's going to use the Bible. Everything they teach is to pull you away from the Bible is to pull you away from God and to get you into their ministry. Why because they want you to put your money into their pockets? Pockets that's where it goes. Their goal is not to help you be more like Christ their goal is that you would be more like their father, the devil you don't believe me. Let's listen to todd white. Deny the Eternal Deity, Jesus Christ, and he's even going to say that. People who are who are challenging him and they're just wrong. and Jesus was tempted at all points that scripture alone verifies that when he was here, he walked this out as a man. People have taken that doctrine that I just said you twisted it on Youtube and said the taught white take the deity away from Jesus. Know what you've done. It's you've taken what Jesus said. He was away from the Bible. See Jesus didn't do what he did as a man. There's nothing for us to model. There's no model for us. And then we're always slept with. That was Jesus know Jesus was tempted at all points? Tempted at points that none of us have ever been tempted. He was tempted at all points for everyone in every area. Oh! Jesus was and he sent not. Never ever ever ever gave a licensed to his flesh to sit. Guys are. You hearing me. Comes to the miraculous. You don't understand this then. You can't pray for the sick. Why because that was Jesus ought not Jesus know. Jesus never healed the sick as god Jesus healed the sick as a man in perfect relationship with gone. Jesus was here. The Holy Spirit comes down upon Jesus rested upon him and remain. When Jesus healed the sick, it was God through Jesus Jesus said several times. He said you know if you don't believe me through the things that I say at least believe me through the works that I do for its father who twelve in me. That does the works. Knows what he does there he's he's. Nine the DD crise, saying that he is saying that there's not to nature's in one being know what he's earned. One person what he's saying is that he's arguing here that the father is separate from the sun from the spirit, and that Jesus isn't doing anything on his own. He's doing it because the Holy Spirit is the father doing it through the Holy Spirit on him, and what's the argument that he's doing it as a man and as a man? What do you hear what he saying with us? He's the nine, not only Christ, but going to the extent of saying that this. This is insane to think about that. This man todd white could be simplessleepservices. Act The way that Jesus is seamlessly perfect now. He's going to argue for soon as perfectionism. You've already seen that. This man goes on the streets, deceiving people. We're GONNA see more him later, but this is not a perfect man right, and so, what do you see you see that they? They deny the Deity of Christ verse five. We see that they do not believe God is capable of doing what he promises. It says in verse five now I want to remind I want now. I want to remind you although you once fully knew it that God. Who saved a people out of the land of Egypt? Afterwards destroyed those who did not believe so. Notice! WHO SAVED ISRAEL OUT? Of Egypt Jesus did so who saved Egypt in the Old Testament by the way, yeah? So interesting the very next verse after saying that they denied the Deity of Christ. The very next verse, says that Jesus who is God referred to in the Old Testament Save Israel out of Egypt. In case, people don't know that Jesus was God there. It is in the very next verse from where he says they deny the Deity Christ. Jesus did this. He is the one that that brought them out for. Those who want to say that Jesus isn't God. You could find this everywhere. In the gospels everywhere in scripture it is there so Jesus is credited for God. Did in the Old Testament and those who did not believe okay would. Were the ones that he in verse five here that are going to be destroyed. They did not believe God was capable of doing these things, so you have these Jewish people there. They just put yourself in the mindset. Here you come up to a C. Gajah, says okay. Let me just part the water and you're gonNA. Walk on dry ground. Okay, let's get millions of people across you. Get across. You get you get there. There you see the the the Egyptians. They come. They're coming in the water that are tracing on their terrorism. They're going like hey. How's this water? Standing up your? Wow, okay, and then what has got do closes the water and they're gone. Enemy disappeared. They have no food, got his raining down bread from heaven and sitting there the breads coming down. And what are they doing? They're complaining. They don't have enough meat they. They. Don't believe God can do this, they they see the promised land. They don't believe. God is going to be able to to take them into the Promised Land and be able to protect them. Are you kidding me? Did you not see all the miracles that he's done? This is what it is. This is the reference that Judas. Making these healers have similar claims. They claim that they can heal. Will you know? Know what I trust absolutely, no faith healer that says he has an ability to heal, and there's a local hospital filled in his neighborhood. He doesn't believe himself that God is capable of doing what he claims. That God is capable of doing because he doesn't go to that hospital and empty it out it. Ex exposes that they do not believe in what they claim. God's promises are let alone. The promises got actually says. One of the things you can notice. I meant to put this picture in here, but I noticed. It's not in you. Never WanNA trust a faith healer that wears. Glasses I have a picture of of Jesse duplantis and his wife. They're reading the Bible. Both of needed to put their glasses onto. Read never trust a faith healer that needs eyeglasses okay. So I want you to note that Jude states that it was Jesus, who saved the Israelites out of Egypt furthermore Jude mentions that they fully knew it. Thus the in the in the first century. It was known that it was Jesus who must be God. That brought Egypt. Israelites out of Egypt they it. It says that they fully knew it, so we go on, we see the next one, and and we see here that they seek a position of authority you see in verse six, and the Angels who did not stay in their own position of authority, but left their their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the day of judgement, the angels who did not stay in their own position of authority. This is an interesting. Is this is? is interesting as as Jude is, expects them to understand the historical account. Now many scholars modern scholars struggle with reference, but the interesting thing is that Jude's is referring to something that was understood in Judaism and so because of the fact that has recei here in verse six, the He is referring to something that they understand with these angels. Then we would assume that jude is confirming a the teaching that we would see in Judaism that these angels are angels that refer back to genesis chapter six when it says the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. We don't fully understand that, but that is what was taught, and it seems that Jude is using that. As an illustration of these angels that didn't keep their proper abode, and so some some walls think that this is referring to angels, leaving Heaven and coming to Earth, and some will think that this is referring to genesis chapter six where you have them leaving their boat and trying to do. Do things with men in some way whether they're possessing human beings or not, we're not quite sure. But these angels were seeking a position that was not theirs to have and false teachers do the same thing. They seek a position of authority. That's not theirs. They claim in authority that is God's alone, and they claim it for themselves. They end up, arguing and teaching as you just saw a moment ago with todd white that they are little gods that they could do everything Jesus could do. Do. They will teach that. They had the position that God has now. If you read your Bible carefully, and you go back to genesis chapter three. You're going to see that's exactly what Satan said to eve. That was the exact way he deceived her. So when you look at these false teachers just know something. They're teaching the same doctrine that Satan taught to eve scary to think about it, but that you could be like God. We see it in mormonism. We see it in word of. Of Faith we see it. In a our new apostolic reformation, we see it. Multiple Times were some person puts himself in a position where he has the authority. We see this in the ruined. Catholic Church and many other colts when they put themselves in a position where they say they alone have the authority to interpret scripture when you set yourself up as the only authority that can interpret scripture, you have just put yourself in authority above scripture, because the scriptures meaningless without your authority to interpret. Interpret it, and so when a person or organization says that you need them for the interpretation of scripture. They've just belittled the scriptures and raise themselves up, and that's what you get from these teachers. They're doing the very same thing. They're setting themselves up there. Saying you should trust them with their interpretations and was already mentioned earlier in justice. I talk. They will talk about their dreams to show that they're more spiritual than you. You should trust them because they know what they're doing. That's going. Going to be the argument they they end up having and they have this argument, because of the fact that they they know they must deceive you to keep you following them. They want an authority. That's not theirs. They want God's authority ultimately what they want to Dethrone, God, and take his throne. No different than Satan wanted to do just so you know who their father is. The Nice thing is just an already named name so I don't have to worry you. Can All yell at him? And he's too Nice Guy. No one will ever yell at him. Well actually no, they they say things about them. They don't yell at him. Verse Seven. It's we I. We see a series of things your first. They engage in sexual immorality in verse seven. You end up seeing it says just as Sodom and Maura and the surrounding cities, likewise they indulge in sexual immorality. Sodomy more is now an example, so you see that Judas. Using a is going through a lot of history with the Israelites. Things that the Israelites would know things that they would be aware of. of He's he's turning to them and saying you understand Sodom and Gomorrah this is an example. He's using for teaching the many things they did in these towns around how wicked they were how sinful they were and jude uses them as an example of this false teaching, these towns were an example that caused extreme judgment because of their homosexuality. Their sexual perversion was so bad that God destroyed. The city's in a supernatural way. Just as jude use these angels in the previous example in example of eternal punishment so here we he sees we see the same eternal punishment for the sin, the Greek word that we ended up. Seeing here means commit fornication. So this is the third time now that we have seen the issue of of an eternal condemnation, being mentioned this term that is used here for sexual immorality, it refers to one that is given over to homosexuality you. That's what this word refers to. And so as our culture is promoting homosexuality, you end up seeing people who are. In solid churches, it was already mentioned some of the questions that came in. We'll get to and was matt. Chandler and people are saying match handler gone gone. Bad will match Chandler has gone. What's called woke? If you understand social justice, you, you understand that, but what is woke will being woke. Is that your woke to to the injustices of people and here's the progression you end up seeing people who wanNA fight for injustices, and then the first thing they're going to do is they're gonNA fight for. For Women's rights and they're going to say we have to be Egalitarian. Knock complimentary and the difference there being competent materials believe that there's a compliment between men and women so there are certain roles that God has given to men that he hasn't given to women and women that hasn't given demand motherhood men don't give birth, but men are to lead and teach in the churches. That is a difference Egalitarian says. No, it's all the same. Everyone's equal. I'm still waiting to watch. The men give birth. Yeah, I understand the women who call themselves. Men are claiming to give birth, but that's still a woman. Okay, that's giving birth. And so what do you see your what they end up doing is after they go egalitarian. Then they go the next step of promoting homosexuality. We're seeing this over and over and over again. They but this is even worse. These false teachers indulge in it. They partake of it now. Do they always partaken in homosexuality? No, the the word means commit fornication, but it it does. Does have the Senate is used to refer especially in the context of Sodom and Gomorrah to homosexuality. So what you end up seeing here is that they are perverse in their sexual immorality, not only that, but they pursue unnatural desires again in verse seven. You see that it says the Justice Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding cities which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desires serve as an example by undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. The this has this word. Natural desires is a reference to homosexuality. Let. Let's hear from Tj Jake's on him explaining his evolution on homosexuality. Question coming in from a black one, eighty, five in our in our digital community, said, do you? Do you think I'm assuming LGBT community in the Black Church can coexist absolutely i. Let me push that question because that's sort of obvious yesterday searching nobody away. How should the Black Church now it'd be commuting. Think going to be from Church to Church. Every has a different opinion on the issue and every gay person. It's different and I think that to to speak the church. The Black Church wide surgery to kind of church. Want to call all the same is totally totally not true, and I'll gay people are. Are Not the same the types of relationships that afforded our basal the types of people in each individual case, lgbt's types in sorts have to find a household awards that reflects what your views are, and what you believe like anybody else, and the church should have the right to have its own convictions and values. If you don't like those conventions and values, you totally disagree with it. Don't try to change my house. Move into your own and established that sort of thing and find somebody who gets what you get about faith and trust me. I've talked to enough LGBT. They are not all of the same official. Christians also, but how do we? Hold on this. evil. Balding, so he's evolved and evolving now. This man caused a bishop. He says hey, it's okay. To I knew what we want in our house. Just don't don't try to come into our house and change and yet here's the thing. What are they doing exactly that he wants to say that churches can be accepting homosexuality. What he's not doing is saying. What does God say as the end up looking at the at the rest of that video? The guy interviewing kind of presses got nothing imposes gonNA presses him a bit, and he just keeps waffling now the reality is that the the guy doing the interview understands better with the Bible says than Tj Jake's. Jake's does because TJ. Jake's is not appealing to the Bible. The Bible says he's appealing to the emotion of the person who practices homosexuality. He's more concerned with the person. And the person feels and thinks then he is with what God feels and thinks that's why TJ Jake's would be a false teacher, because it's more about self. He wants to feel better about these people not ruffle their feathers, but the reality is when they come in and WanNa change the word of God. They are coming into our house and men like Td. JAKES says to stay at your house. House you go to the House accepts you while the reality is there in the house? When you teach these sort of things, they they end up having these kinds of things and people like this are going to go soft on this and you're hearing. He's evolved and evolving. Why because it's he's? He's working it out, but a people like this often working out and then end up getting into it. Let's talk about this. We talked about this a little bit, but in Verse Eight they rely on their dreams. It says yet in like manner. These people also relying. Relying on their dreams, their dreams are more authoritative than scripture in their lives. You see this over and over again. Justin already dealt with this when he talked about the sufficiency of Scriptures. They don't think descriptions are sufficient. They think they need something more not only does God a Judge Evil Angels and wicked the wicked people, of Sodom and Gomorrah, but jude includes people who, in like manner a you know to this. What's what is the like manner of these people? Well? Jude describes him as relying on their dreams, defiling the flash, rejecting authority and blaspheme God's glory. False teachers appeal to to a dream why they're going to appeal to dream, because as I said, it makes them seem more spiritual, because you are not having the dreams they're having. You're not having this constant revelation from God constant dreams. It makes you feel that they're in a better more special position. They're more spiritual than you. That puts them in a position of authority. That's why. Why they all claim to have these dreams they WANNA claim that they have something a more close relationship with God more spiritual relationship than you do, and the person in the Pew is left with that feeling that the false teachers more special is is more a child of God than they are because they don't have those sort dreams. It's the purpose that they do it is to. To make the person in the Pew, feel that the false teacher is more spiritual and has a more special relationship with God. Then you do and let's start with well Beth more. This is Beth more explaining her understanding of a dream that she had with a about Stephen Chapman's daughter about to explain to. You is one reason a amid thousand that I love Jesus Christ okay remember. Remember this one. I'm going to chop up. It's a longer once we're GONNA chop it up and talk. This is what what did she just say? This is why she loves Jesus Christ not because of scripture. She's GonNa. She's going to be little that in a bit. She loves it because of a Dream Watch this. What helps if I click? The explain to? You is one reason. Amid thousand that I love Jesus Christ so much for I mean this is the kind of thing that just blows my mind about him I numb. Okay Numb, stopping this for reasons. I want you to watch where her eyes. Are you teach you guys a little bit of a trick when what law enforcement people are trained. To detect lies we'll do. All of us have certain micro expressions we do. We don't even recognize. We do them and people all over the world. There's been people who've done studies all over the world that there are certain things people do that. You can detect ally in most people unless they're trained how to prevent it now. I want you to notice. She's looking. She's GonNa look up and to her right not up into her left and making a decision there why? When someone looks up into their right, they're making up a story where when they look up into their left. They're recalling an event. which way does she look or the months back I had was. Sleeping regular all night and I need you to know something, and all of these fifty three years of living I just never have had a meaningful drain, and it's not been because I haven't asked for him. If there is no, do we have a scripture says we should be asking for dreams. She's asking for them there. There's some scriptures say we shouldn't. Why does it keep switching? Sorry about that both my mind about him I a number of months back. I had. A. Sleeping regular all night on a need to know something, and all of these fifty three years of living I just never have had meaningful dream, and it's not been because I haven't asked form, if there is a manifestation of God or the spirit off somewhere, asked for it I mean I'm just going I will I will and most of the time he goes. You know what some people are safer with the word on the page. Do you see how she belittles the word on the page and everyone's laughing. The the very words of almighty God are not for Beth more. She needs more than that. I guess stop. Click on this. I had I'm sorry about that, and it's not been because I haven't asked for him. If there is a manifestation of God or the spirit off somewhere, asked for it, I mean I'm just going I will I will and most of the time he goes. You know what some people are safer with the word on the page and so. What we're going to do with you. WE'RE NOT GONNA lose a drain on you, so you end up seeing dreams God is not going to waste a dream on someone that believes in the sufficiency of scripture, so she something special because she has something, she believes in more than just the sufficiency of scripture and I saw Mary Beth Chapman in my dream, and it was the oddest thing because I was into Rena The likes of which I've spoken in many many times living proof live. A large arena and the back of the of the stage was like everyone of so often seen all these heavy chords all the gaff tape down on it all the sound tables all the machinery that it takes all the. Details she hasn't behind it. I can see my dream all of their their head. Sad Song so they can talk to one another saying that I have seen more time do that to help people. There with that she's on. She's trying to do is show that she is can relate to this right to this dream well. One of the tables watching everything I was my dream I. See Mary. Beth and Maria walk up in the dream for the context for those who don't know this is this is. Mary Beth and Maria Maria is a child who died Mary. Beth is the mother and wife of Steven Curtis. Chapman play what Maria had on in the dream comes up with Mary Beth. Marie wrought to her side right about that five years old kind of have a has on big white collar. Those Chunky bangs down her face, and she just kicking around and laughing, and they come to talk to Mary Beth, and even a guy that I work with all the time was talking to her, and I could tell that she was the one about to speak and Maria was just twisted her almost into a pretzel right there and I was beholding this whole thing and thinking. Thinking how I could not wait to hear it and boom, I awakened and I mean in that moment. My is propped open like this I'm holding the covers up like this and I thought Whoa I knew it meant something I I would say whoa to. If you're interpreting the dream and thinking that it has anything more than as Justin said earlier, it's a dream that's all it was. She was thinking of her friend. She had a dream of a friend. Is it anything more than that? Scripture doesn't tell us it is, but the point is going to be this. Here's how you can tell a false teacher because she's going to show how her dream that she. was was a prophecy was false. ooh Did I thought that even maybe knew what it was. I thought that maybe it was. Showing me in a dream that part of the Chapman's healing and specifically Mary Beth Chapman Healing would be that she would minister hope what she had been through, and that people would be able to see. How would it turn back on the enemy? And Glory had come to God, and good had come to mankind. So where does she say this? This glory is GonNa. Come to God. It's not from the word. Word of God! It's from a dream and I felt somehow her healing is going to come in part through are pouring out now. You need to know something Mary Beth was not speaking at this time. This is not her thing. It's not her husband was the one out front. It was not her so this was very out of the box, but I was certain of it and I didn't think that. Somehow. Maria was some kind of ghost next to Mary Beth. I'm new. That Maria was in heaven I knew that the symbol of her in the dream was then telling that story, and in telling the redemption and healing God rob that there would be healing to her soul, and that their joyous memory know you think about this verse of the Bible says that she's GonNa get healing through a dream. We know we get healing through the word of God and threw God himself and personally spirit, but a dream what versus that about Maria would be restored, and they would overtake the ones of such tragedy and such. A violent on kind of injury and so I was whoa notice. Because this is throwing. Emotionally, that's what she's looking to do. I was baffled about this. Me What? To do I don't know what to do with it well a couple of days later. It was Mary Beth traveling's birthday and so I. Thought I'm going to text. Her I was at an event and I knew she had a big thing that we can to. About I texted her heavy birthday. My friend and I said listen. I was really nervous even when I texted I said I had a dream and I don't have dreams. I. Just want to ask you if it has any. One of the earlier ones because she's had plenty of dreams since this time by the way just for the record -nificant to you, and if it's not a confirmation because I I, don't think God works that way I think he just tells it to know. Here's the thing to notice. Notice how she says. I don't think God works this way, but have you noticed how everything she's leading up to is the fact that God? Does this work this way in her mind? She asks for these dreams. She asks for these things to happen, so she has. Of them and then says I don't think God works this way now, saying I don't think God works as ways way of saying she, she has plausible deniability when people like me will challenge on these things, but her dream is going to actually be a false prophecy. COMES, as a confirmation as if it's confirmation bright, if it's not dump it, don't trust it, so she wants me. She said that is very so. Where does she think the confirmation would come? It's going to come from Mary best not from the word of God. Notice that that's what they do with these dreams. When are you GonNa? Call me as a while. Call you after I get home. Okay. I call her and I'm nervous. I'm nervous because. Said okay. Let me tell you this and so I went through the whole. Every detail of it and then dead silence as I don't know for sure what it means what I thought. Maybe mant and I began to dead silence, Oh, okay, so she interpreted the dream she wanted confirmation. She's given the interpretation, the perse rice breaking out among. The. Seat, know when you recognize. Do you see how she's a likeable person? She is trying to use all of the emotionalism. All of the things to to build up to the climax, and she takes a long time to build up climax, but she does that from ocean reasons. They can't just teach the truth. They have to build up to it. Out suddenly thing. To SOB SOB and when she starts sobbing, now one you. Can't believe I clicked again. What I want you to do is notice if I can get back to that spot I. Want you notice what marriage? Marubeni talked. Through the whole drain would which she ends up, claiming is the confirmation or you? She said a few nights ago Y'all stay with me here a few nights ago. They were with the pastor friend of theirs, and she said she just having a bad day all seeing the chills coming up on Mars and she said she had talked to Steven Curtis and she told her husband I just want to. To dream about her I just want to see her in a dream and feel okay, so so here's what you end up. Having. Mary Beth has wants to dream about her daughter. Did she have the dream? This is supposedly. Beth Moore's confirmation that Beth more had the dream for her well That isn't the same thing right. If she wanted to dream about her daughter, she wouldn't give them. Confirmation someone else dreams about her because she wants to see her. Here's another person that has dreams, and that's kind of Copeland. He he had prophecy on March nineteenth of twenty twenty about the end of Covid nineteen. We're done with folks. We don't have any more covert because he had a dream. Friday. At nine, twenty, four and suddenly. The word of the Lord gained any so I, jumped up ran, got my notepad and wrote it down nine twenty four. This disease called a CEO Devi Nineteen. We'll be over much sooner than you think. Christian people all over this country. Praying have overwhelmed did. Give me all the glorious spirit of grace. And many many people will come to me through it. I'm still Lord over this nation on the throne and faith in me changes things. Are Gone You. Aren't you glad to know the COVID? Nineteen two months later is gone. It's gone and we don't have any more covert teen. Oh Eight! It's still here. So what we ended up seeing that they defile the flesh, they they defile the flesh. We end up seeing here. Is that this this in verse eight? It says that they defile the flesh it is that they seek to satisfy flesh -ly desires, usually referring to sexual sins, but not always just already covered that they reject authority, they reject authority God's. Word is the authority. They rejected with their dreams. They rejected with their cells. They reject God's authority. Defile the word of God and they. They do not like the Scriptures Scriptures judge their sin, and so they twist the scriptures and defile the scriptures to try to change its meaning to be what they wish. It said rather than what it does say because what the Scriptures do say is a judgment on them, so he just rejected. They look to their dreams rather than the word of God. They do not like the word of God telling them what to do, so they don't want to submit to that, so it's. Though they end up having followers, they want everyone. Follow them, and not the word of God, these false teachers who claim to that. Address them in public. You must go to them privately. You'll hear this all the time. They say that no, you're. You're violating scripture. They have no problem addressing other people publicly, but you have to come to them alone, so they'll. They'll give lip service to the authority of Scripture they just don't follow it themselves. False teachers seek to protect self. They will blast anybody in order to protect themselves. They're more concerned with themselves than they are about God one way we see them. They Reject Authority Wealth Francis Shannon and was essentially that I may have earlier said that the masters. You're a master seminary. Pro Catholic Church doesn't I met. Met Francis. Chan promotes the Catholic Church and here's here's the evidence of it. Listen to Francis Chan. Deny what he was taught at master's seminary and promote what the Roman Catholic Churches teached taught. And what is they teaching? They're teaching the church. Has the authority. Not Bible. Why did it not play? Let's get back. I didn't know that. For the first fifteen hundred years of church history, every one saw it as the literal body and blood of Christ, and it wasn't until five hundred years ago. That someone popularized a thought that it's just a symbol and nothing more I didn't know that wow well. That's something that consider And while I won't make a strong statement, I will make a statement about this. It was at that same time that for the first time. Someone put a pulpit in the front of the gathering. Because before that it was always the body and blood of Christ that was central to their gatherings. For fifteen hundred years, it was never one guy and his pulpit, being the center of the Church it was the body and blood of Christ. And even the leaders just saw themselves as partake irs and I'll man. We're not worthy. We're not worthy or not worthy. I say that because the church is more divided than any time in history. What does this tell us clearly that he does not want any divisions in his church. And for a thousand years, there was just one church. You know that we're so used to growing up in a time. When literally there over thirty thousand Christian denominations right now for the first thousand years. It was just one so. His class he must've skipped because yes, There was one because the Catholic. Church killed anyone that disagreed with them That was their policy. That doesn't make them right. He's. He's appealing to the authority of the Catholic. Church of Saint, we, there should be one church there that everyone had one view will actually know Francis. Everyone didn't have that view, but what what does he do? He's denying the what the Scripture says and supporting his well newfound friends. What are we ended up for that? We see that they. is my side area. We. See that they in verses eight to ten blaspheming what they do not understand. They blaspheme what they do not understand versus eight to ten. We end up seeing that it says in like manner these people relying on their dreams, defiling the flesh, rejecting authority, blasting the glorious ones, but when the when the Archangel Mar Michael contended with the devil was disputing about the body. Body of Moses. He did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said the Lord Rebuke you, but these people blaspheme all that they do not understand. They are destroyed by all that they like unreasonably. Animals understand instinctively they make blasphemous things out of things that they can't comprehend and don't don't even want to understand they blasting God and further blasphemy by getting others to do. Do the same when they don't have scripture on their side. They blame others, and that that no one can question them and claim that what they do is in the name of God. So if if they claim to heal you and you're not healed. It's not on them. It's on you, we. We have one woman. That's not far from from where we are for our church. Church that she came out from Bethel choose to work directly for bill. Johnson she volunteered for him, she had cancer. She ended up with a cancer that would have been treatable, but Bill Johnston, teaching her about living by faith, convinced her to stop doing surgery or during the procedure that would have cured it. She trusted God the cancer spread. She left California to to move to. Pennsylvania so that she could die because the cancer was riddled throughout her body. And who is it that bill? Johnson blames Oh. No, not himself. No, no, that's all on her. Not Having enough faith, they play the victim when they're attacked the knee, the the from people who expose them, they play the victim of just an all the time. The truth they'll say is divisive and is true. The truth is the vice of it divides truth from error, and so what they do is they do is to. God over over as you already saw with Todd White A. You're going to see him. Sit there and blasting. Gop and say that God does things that God's not doing. That's bless me of the holy. Spirit, when you you say to. The work of the devil is the work of the spirit. That's what blasphemy the spirit would be now. Wouldn't you sit there and deny speaking in tongues, or or miracles of of you know the gifts of miracles and the gift of healing? That's not blasphemy. Okay, but when you claim that you're doing something that's actually a work of the devil, and you claim that to the spirit I would say that is they walk in the way of Cain wanting God to accept them on their terms, the way of Cain was. Was Cain was was wicked in the sense that he wanted God to accept his offering, not the way God determined, but the way that Cain determined God had had set away. He wanted offerings Kane didn't like that Cain wanted his offerings be accepted his way. These men follow canes ungodly ways that they want God to accept them on their terms that they have their own agendas, and they don't want to bow down to God. They want God to bow down to them. They have an overemphasized view of self, and they reduce God. We see that they abandoned themselves for the sake of gain. This is balance error in verse eleven, which is to them for they've walked in the way of Cain. An abandoned themselves for the sake of of of gain to balance error, and they perish in cores rebellion. What was balanced? Arabella with someone you can read a numbers. Twenty to twenty five nephew read numbers twenty two to twenty four. It seems like Bela's is a very good person he's he's Daunte, willing to to blaspheme against God and and curse the Israelites but when we look in verse in numbers. Numbers Twenty, five. We see that the that there's council given that the that ballot is ends up wanting to destroy the Israelites comes up with a plan of the women bringing them into the Israelites in having the men marry these women, and that God would bring a curse. Will Numbers Thirty one eight to sixteen shows that that was actually balance council and so he. Why did he do it? It because he wanted money, he was offered a lot of money and when he wouldn't curse God a God's people. What ended up happening was Ballack said well. We're going to get rid of you. Bail him, and so, how do we how do I? Get my to keep the money. He came up with a way that he thought might be a workaround that he he himself wouldn't directly curse. Curse the Israelites and break God's word, but he could keep the money and give them away that God would bring judgment on them, and so jude refers to them in that same manner being like that. Here's todd white doing the very same thing. He promotes the Prosperity Gospel. People called prosperity, some kind of twisted Dr God wants you to be in good health and he wants you to prosper. He wants your soul took crossgar. He wants the prosperous soul tissue so much see because have a prosperous soul. Money doesn't matter to you. The more you have, the more you give. Drama shoot. The mortgage gives you the more fun. When you just become a giver, and you give you give you give, and you give what because God so loved the world that he gave us so that's what we as Christians do we give? We give, we give. You're just after money. No God's not after you. After you ever being had by money, money doesn't make the world. Go Round Jesus does. She know when you become a radical giver, and you become ragged, will just a radical tighter and a radical offer. That blesses people. You actually step into the Abramovic blessing notice. Doesn't ever want you to get. A revelation of finance says ever because if he does, he loses control of you. Okay, so notice the thing. Though what do you see? What these faith healers they got lots of money stood up. They got their private jets and all that they're not giving that. He's Oh it's promote promote. Giving people will give to them because they want the money, but they sound spiritual. Jesus the money doesn't make the world go round. Jesus does that sound spiritual, doesn't it? But you don't see him giving he's not living on. A modest means no. All these guys. Live it up. Why because they want money for themselves? People you end up seeing this with Prospero. With cores rebellion, they're seeking to overthrow for the purpose of gain of power for self, and that's what you end up seeing over, and over again recourse rebellion was that he ended up wanting to rebel against Moses. He didn't want Moses his cousin. To be running the congregation. He wanted to run the congregation, and so what his desire was is that his purpose was to at a selfishness he wanted to rule over Moses and God. judged him for that. The purpose of this was for selfish gain. An ungodly people have that this was no different. Different in the first century church here's a here's a clip of Kenneth. Copeland covid nineteen. It was done March thirtieth now. This was only a couple of weeks after his. He got the revelation that it would be over so here. He is declaring as an apostle notice how he claims an authority that's not his own, but I want you to know how he ends up arguing that it's done, and he's doing it in in an authority that he's claiming from God will exercise judgment because we have let Lehman whole, thank you. She's standing in offish. The Prophet of God I execute shots. You might own you. Nine nine. Is. I execute judgment Satan you destroy. You killer! You Get out, you brake job. He's getting all this nation. Own Use our. Nation You. Know. You come. From you're of authority they're showing. You! And you crawl on your very. Commanded you, let he put his arm your. Gardener of the. You. Were destroy through Cova Nineteen No. More no more. No More Finish finish. Over. The United States of America. Is He you? And well again. Not My. Story. Peach who has also saw the prince of war. So, who did he just say cheese crimes? He just said that the God of Peace Jesus Christ just by his Stephen It's over. To know the covid nineteen, it's over vaccine immediately. The these people just permitted to say whatever they want for their selfish gain, and they want money. I don't know why that keeps playing. Okay, they they fear verse twelve. They do not fear you. See this in verse twelve the. These are hidden riests at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear. They do not fear God. You see that as he can, he can say that he speaks for God and he's got no fear of God when he could say things like this. They don't fear God. They use God to deceive people and take advantage of people for their own gain, a man like Todd Bentley that would. Would stand on stage claim that he does the work for God while being drunk, he has no fear of God. They feed themselves in verse twelve shepherds feeding themselves they call themselves shepherds, but instead of feeding the flock they wanna feed themselves with the money from the flock just were in the Philippines. There was a Filipino pastor Oriole Bilello. Who says this quote? Others say that the Bible does say. Say in the Bible. The love of money is the root of all evil. This is this is different. The lack of money is the root of all evil. Seriously, ask your wives try to live without money, and you'll see the devil will come out in the flesh as your wife Unquote. This is what they teach. This is a man who who says life is too short, so drive a nice car. Car He has a picture of himself with two Lamborghinis the Philippines the the the thing we understand where he is. People have much less of a living than we do here in the United States. It's it's everything costs much more, and he can sit there on the backs of the poor and make statements like that they are spiritually useless. We see this also in verse eleven verse twelve, it says. Says the they're. They're waterless. Clouds swept along by winds fruitless trees in autumn twice dead up rooted, they are spiritually useless. These false teachers are useless. They like waterless clouds or to some other seminar clouds without water. They St Jude States that these false teachers though they claim to be shepherds. They're feeding themselves and they are. They're useless people there like a cloud that offers no rain. You see in verse. Verse Sixteen There grumblers they when they don't get their way anytime. You you confront them. They grumble. They're they're going to be grumblers. Malcontents, which is complain about their lot in life as they live it up there. They're not happy when things aren't going their way when they're not getting more there, see me. They follow their own sinful desires. They don't follow the Bible. They followed their desires and their. Their loud mouth posters they they boast of their own works, not the works of God you see Paul Boasting by what Christ did, but you don't see that with these false teachers. They boast about their own works. They're not boasting about the resurrection of Jesus Christ the Death Burial Resurrection, the glories, of God, no, they're boasting about what God has done for them instead. They're of boasting about God they. They about self now watch Kenneth Copeland Brag about his ministry as he's going to be complaint, he's going to do all that. We just said he's going to be grumbling. These show his malcontent. He's GonNa show that he's a loud mouth. Bolster a lot of people think it's unbecoming for a preacher to live a life of luxury and fly around in private jets. What's your response to that version of? It takes a lot of money to do what we do. We have brought over one hundred the see this. The latest figures just came out. Hundred and twenty two million people to the Lord Jesus Christ. Let me. Give you another example. Last May. I was scheduled for Legos Nigeria as long ways I had a week off and I was scheduled for Peru and I prayed about it and I thought. I'm not mission that dedication in Jerusalem. We flew in twenty one days seventy hours. Forty thousand, miles. Touched five continents and preached. Face to face personally with a hundred and twenty five thousand people sounds pretty impressive, but he didn't save anybody as he claims God, does the saving and so that's where he misses the mark. He knows how they they. They boast about their own efforts and don't give the credit to God. Verse Sixteen you end up seeing it, says these grumblers malcontents who follow their own sinful desires. Their loudmouth posters, showing favouritism to gain advantage the they show favoritism to people they you'll see this false teachers. They WANNA look for people with money and they're going. Going to play it up to those people because they're gonNA, want the people with money and position. They want those people with money and position to enrich them, so they're going to show favoritism to gain an advantage over those sorts of people, their fers, the false teachers, they mock God, you see this in verse eighteen they they say to you in the last days will be scoffs, following their own ungodly passions, and that they're going to cause divisions. Okay, this is very interesting. They they seek to. They seek to divide biblical churches and they. They blame others for division. You know I'll tell you. This just Kinda referred to it. You WanNa. Great example is just mentioned something about Beth more put something out about about meth more, and you're going to see that. Her followers boy are they vicious? They will come out with after you with knives and daggers. If you dare mention that Beth more endorses false teachers, which she does or mentioned that she is a false teacher, which she is then her followers are gonna come out after you with a vengeance because they are the ones that. That are divisive. They're they're viciously divisive. We're divisive in the sense that we're want divide truth from error. It's not about the person we're not attacking the person, but the teachings they want to attack the person their worldly people they they want everything that the world has to offer, and they want it now. Listen to this in his interview of Kenneth Copeland explaining his need for private jets. Why have you said that you won't Fly Commercial? You said that it's like getting into a tube with a bunch of demons. Why do you think that? Listen to me, just saying. Not The people. The main reason. is because of the need. It. If I flew commercial. And half stop sixty five percent were using. This really. Isn't it true that you wanna fly commercials so that you can fly in luxury? How much money did you pay for Tyler Perry's Gulfstream jet? For example will for example. Let's really on your business, but isn't it the business of your donor Estrin? A lot of people think it's unbecoming for a preacher to live a life of luxury and to fly around in private jets. What's your response to that version for? It takes a lot of money to do what we do. Without the airplane that we have that of often, Tyler Perry and pay anywhere. Tyler is one of the greatest guy he made its. He made that airplane so cheap for me. I can help, but. Do you ever use your private jets to go? Visit Your vacation homes for example. Again you have how many planes we have. The Gulfstream and we still have our shot tastes. And then we have smaller plane, but both those are the two ones you and we use them all the time is the main reason was. I, could no longer do but I. Called do and be on. Airlines decides that I need my clothes. When I get there and so you have some fancy clothes. For Pastor, you are living a life of luxury. You've got great homes. You've got great plains, you. You drive in Limos and wilderness. You're a very wealthy man. To those critics that say that a preacher should not be living a life of luxury. What is your response to that? They're wrong. You know what Justin travels around the world and he somehow manages to get on commercial, even with his scooter and his crutches, and is close, and he seems to be able to manage to do it. He's not giving up sixty five percent of what he does. Just because he doesn't private jet, they want worldliness and so. there. We go backwards now they're they're devoid of the spirit. Now let me false teachers are devoid of the spirit, if there devoid of the spirit than they're not saved That's not me saying that that's the word of God saying that saying that these teachers if in Verse Nineteen Eighty is these who caused divisions, worldly people devoid of the spirit. I want you to watch on. This is Kenneth Copeland Watch this because this is something that Justin Peters said. There's only two people he actually believes is is demon possessed that he's not been in the presence of in this quick Kenneth Copeland, but Todd Bentley's the other I. Want you to notice how quit Kenneth. Coping Lash out this report. He could beat on. Oh, so sweet, but when she says sometimes, she doesn't like watch how quickly he could change and I'm I'm just saying if you look at this guys is it just seems that something's wrong something is? is off with this. Guy Kinda wonder of Justin's not right. You said that you don't like to fly commercial because you don't want to get into a tube with a bunch of demons. Do you really believe that human beings are demon? Noah do not and don't you ever say I? Did? We wrestle not with flesh and blood, the principalities and powers, and so this this is what you end up seeing from false teachers. So where does that leave us well? It leaves us in this place where we would. Our job is to do is to identify false teachers. Teachers and their followers identify them use these twenty characters to spot who these false teachers are. Spot their followers, so we teach the truth to them, but you also avoid false teachers. Do not give yourself over. Do not sit there and say well. Let me let me just try to learn from them and see what I can learn. No one someone promotes themselves as a false teacher there to be marked and avoided not encouraged. You want to encourage their followers to do the same to avoid them not to keep listening to see if there's some truth there but. But also in this may seem strange to some of US fray for them and their followers we're. We're to pray for them. We have to remember that set second Timothy three thirteen. We have to remember that they're deceived and deceiving. Some of these people are deceived themselves. We are as jude would say. We are to snatch them out of the flames. For many think they're walking with Christ and their head into an eternal lake of fire would we should do is try to snatch them from the flames, and that's what we're trying to do with this seminar. I think of no better way to end the seminar. Then the way that jude ended his his letter here with a duck solidarity now to them now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy to the only God and Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord Ba- Glory Majesty And Dominion an authority before. Time now and forever, Amen. I think of no other. Be Better Way to end our time with this than to talk about that. We should be praying for them. We should be an may seem strange for folks to think about praying for false teachers, but we should be. They need our prayer so I bring Justin back in. So we could close our we'll. We'll take one more break, and then we're going to have a Qa a time of QNA but Justin just as a reminder to folks. We have we do. WanNa let people know that they can as share that They could have you and I come and do this same seminar in their church We'd be happy to come USB. Be Happy to go what you? Some church absolutely? Yeah, definitely okay. As a as you're dragging me to to Kim, Kyu, saying Cambodia to Guatemala and so I guess I'm dragging you to to India. Dom We got some trips hit. Listen Neither one of them will be on a private. I know you know, have you? Have you ever flown private jet before? No, no, but you have been on a private jet before. Yes. I have sat on one inside one private jet Yep. Alright. Copeland's private jet now. You'RE GONNA have to explain. How did you stealthily sneak on crutches and all to Kenneth Copeland's private jet? So. Eleven or ten ten or so you're about ten years ago. I was doing seminar at a church in Fort, worth north of fort worth their in very close to Kenneth Copeland's compound, the pastor friend of mine named Randall a asked me if I'd ever been on Kenneth. Copeland's compound. I said no never have is. Would you like to go and look around as sure? Yeah, it's just right down the. The road, so we did an scientists got in the car waiting when we went in, and the gate was open, and we drove right in and get driving around the facility there and there was his hangar. You know is is private hangar and we drove down to it in the hangar doors rope, and so we got out and just kind of all ground in there, and there's two private jets. To other airplanes that were his Just kind of his toys prop planes. The war, two era fighter in a biplane that he uses those are just as toys and fancy cars. Antique cars ski boats motorcycles. Full Stop, and so we're walk up to the private jet and a lady walks out and she says can I help you. She's very nice and my friend randomly said Yeah my friend. Just likes to. Aviation which is true I've always had an interest in aviation. And, the wanted to see Mr Copeland's new jet, which at the time he had a it's. It's as old when now, but it was new at the time, and so she started telling us about it, and she said. Would you like to go inside and I was like okay. And so she opens the door and my friend. My best friend randomly helped me up. The steps dot com, the steps and found myself sitting inside Kenneth Copeland's private jet and. I. Don't think I could get away with that now. Knows, who I am now. Okay two things one. What in the world was she doing? Thinking like? Here's a guy on crutches and he's like that doesn't fit with Copeland's ministry and the second question. Did you leave a Gospel track behind? Yes, I, did you? See So. I wonder Kenneth. Who? Whilst Track Forum. was that I wonder if Kenneth Copeland ever wondered who left that? Gospel track for him. Well, it apparently didn't have the desired effect so. Well, I know we had. A couple more people. Register for this event. I don't know how many people I couldn't see. How many people were watching during it? But we now have over twenty five hundred people that registered for this event so. I guess more people. Watching is coming in and out. I know people are GonNa be watching throughout the week we're going to will will end up selecting some people that will just get this. Spend some fellowship time with and zoom meeting, and there are some winners let's see I. Don't know who I've mentioned I. Don't know who has because I haven't checked the email, but we have winners for different book Cindy. Brown is receiving. What do we believe Ryan Leeches? Owerri contacted us they David. Ross is got what do they believe Stephanie Montgomery? What do they believe less R. E. G. E.? R. US has origin of the kinds Let's see adjusted Justin Gloria Autumn have do not hinder them, they? They won that and let's see Mount Princess. got. What do we believe in so some? Some New People that we have. Is David King David King. You are receiving A. What do we believe Cindy Tagger Tag? It What do they believe Dennis? Soon has an origin of kinds. I think Dennis I think Dennis may be if it's a denison thing. 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11 - You can do hard things.

Made For This with Jennie Allen

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11 - You can do hard things.

"Thank you audible for supporting made for this now. Audible is giving members even more with the plus catalogue visit audible dot com slash. May for this or text made for this to five hundred five hundred to start your free thirty day trial. And now here's jenny. Hey guys well. It was an incredible weekend. If gathering twenty twenty one is in the books so all of you that were part were so grateful whether you hosted in your home. Your college student and had a few friends over. Or maybe you watch it alone in your pajamas. Yeah we absolutely had a ball serving you and building that with you and for you so thank you thank you. Thank you for being part. If you missed it you do not want to miss it. It is still available. And in fact you're going to be able to host it in your home's this spring if you want and and we've got all that information over at if gathering dot com so go to i f gathering dot com and we'll send you all the information about how you can still watch all content from francis chan rockin and his lazy boy talking about jesus to in voskamp to mike. Todd blue blew off the roof. You guys are not gonna wanna miss any of it so tune in you'll love it and tastic antastic weekend. I am so grateful. And i'm a little bit tired today. Candy on this lovely tuesday so those of you feel the same way. I believe this episode is for you. It is going to encourage you perseverance. Let's go so. I told you guys that the season was going to be a little bit of me grabbing you by the shoulders and mama bearing you and looking you in the is. This is how we're going to calm down this hour gonna go through this. This is one of those weeks where my sound a little mean you ready. We're going to toughen up. Welcome to made for this podcast guys. Oh my gosh. So a few weeks ago. I posted something in everybody. Got on me because it they take it the wrong way and it hurt their feelings and they thought i was saying something i wasn't and i read it all and candidly. Oh my gosh. Some of y'alls lives are just so unbelievably difficult. I respect you and grieve with you and how you're going through it so i'm just gonna go ahead and say if your life is genuinely really hard this this episode is just not for you. Because i'm not talking to you. Okay like you already learning this. You already live in this while done. Turn it off or celebrating the fact that you're actually good at this because there's a lot of us out there that think it's hard to wear a mask in the grocery store and you are who i'm talking to today. Kate not just the mask thing. But i mean you're critical and complaining about everything that happens all the time we call that in our house whining at. I don't sit here and preach to you from a place of complete mastery of what i'm about to say. Okay i am speaking to myself. I have to stop sometimes to get a little grit. When my daughter was about to begin running cross country which. She wasn't sure she was good at. She was really fast and she knew she was a good little track runner. She usually short distances. This is kate who's eighteen nineteen now when she was in middle school and started running long distances because she wanted to be on the cross country team with her friends and she loved the coach and and she didn't know she could do it and and so. I bought her book called grit and a lot of you have read the book. I love the book. The books fantastic. I haven't picked it up in a while. But man she read it cover to cover and then we watch this little documentary together about how women couldn't run you know fifty years ago because they believed it would hurt our reproductive health that it was too strenuous. So women never ran. They never were in races of there. Were marathons obviously in all these things they were just for men up to like fifty years ago and so it's the story of women getting to run and so she watches the documentaries. She reads this book and by the time she goes to cross country. Let me just tell you at the time. I was never running. I actually run right now. Because i do orange theory but i never ran at this time. I started running. Because i was so inspired by the things i was doing with kate about running that i was like i need to do this and so i did. I started running. We would go to the trail and we would run. And i hated running absolutely still hate running but i did it because i wanted to show myself i could and i wanted to quit being a baby and i wanted to be good example for my daughter who was doing hard things so i was going to do hard things too and that book. Grit what it'll tell you and what it teaches you is. You can do anything. I mean not really you know like some of us are not going to go to the olympics for pole vaulting. I'm just does not going to be me. But my be you but not going to be me so i mean yeah. There's definitely a limit to like my abilities. But i mean if you set your mind to something even if it's completely impossible and uncomfortable you can do it. you know. People always ask me how. I write a book or like how do that. I can't imagine i'm like you just write a word. And then you add another word then you write another word and then all send you have a book like pain. Agony tears thousands and thousands of hours. Later you've got a book and it's amazing and that's how it is with running a marathon or anything it's just you just put your foot in front of the next and you just keep going and you just keep doing it. But there's one thing that separates the people that actually do things from the people that don't in this book talks about it as just grit mastering your emotions deciding. You can like doing the hard thing guys. This is my wakeup call. This is my put on your big girl panties and let's be better than we've been through kovin because let's be real it did. It was universally hard. I mean universally hard even the christian leaders and counselors and people that are supposed to be keeping us all on track. They're all fallen off the tracks. Okay so you know it's hard i get it. There's really not many people on the tracks right now. Which is why. I'm calling us back to the tracks because somebody needs to be on the tracks and guys. We can do this in the reason we can do. This is that we have a god that assure and steady and steadfast and it doesn't matter what happens to us on this earth if no matter what happens even if the worst happens even if it doesn't get better it gets worse we're okay because we have god and we have a hope. That is secure in heaven. I peter five ten after you've suffered for a little while the god of all grace who has called you to his glory in christ. We have this eternal hope will himself restore confirm strengthen and establish you. That's what we have. We have not just a god. Who says i've got you for eternity. But he is a god who will himself restore confirm strengthen and establish us in our suffering in our life here. We have a god that is with us that is establishing us that is keeping us firm in the midst of chaos. so how do we quit whining. Y'all this is a fun one. Because i never do this. I never wine. I never complain. Ever my husband would say that. I complain more than his children do. And and i think why do that specifically to him is because it feels good to complain. It feels good when my day has been hard. And i haven't really complained all day and i've done the hard things and i come home. I'll just say does so hard is a baby. What was so hard and i'm like zoom meetings for eighty three hours. He's like baby. There's no way you did eighty three hours. Zoom meetings closed three hours but it was so hard just feels good. It feels good to complain. It feels good to exaggerate. It feels good to feel sorry for ourselves and many of us have good reasons. Zooming is not one of them but many of us really do and even now right now. There are real things i can complain about. But that's not what. I typically complain about right. I complain about things. That aren't that hard that are annoying. an underneath. That is really the bigger problem. Yes it does say in scripture that have this is pretty actually really big scripture. That i've mentioned before. Because i so convicted by it but it says in philippians two fourteen do everything without grumbling or disputing so that you may be blameless and pure children of god without fault and crooked and perverse generation in which you shine as flights in the world says something about our complaining and are grumbling is showing the world not the light of god. Ns in the hope of got in this but our crooked depraved desires pretty dramatic like crooked perverse generation. We are to shine as lights in the world. And the way we will do that without complaining or arguing and disputing. Nah i think this is so important is underneath all of it. What is behind our complaining. What's behind grumbling. It is that we feel like we deserve something that we're not getting. It feels like we deserve a happy life that we deserve an easier life that we deserve a better life. Tim keller says it this way. The problem is that contemporary people think life is about finding happiness. We decide what conditions will make us happy and then we work to bring those conditions about to live for happiness. Means that you are trying to get something out of life but when suffering comes it takes the conditions of happiness away and so suffering two stories all the reason to keep living but to live for meaning means not that you to get something out of life but rather that life expect something from us in other words you have meaning only when there is something in life more important than your own personal freedom and happiness something for which you are glad to sacrifice your happiness and guys that is the definition of being a follower of christ that no longer is our hope in this world but now we are the hope of the world. So why does it feel so hard to actually live this way. So we aren't victims because there is a god who is writing the story and we aren't victims because there is a god who is rolling out his plans throughout history and were part of those plants and if we find ourselves in a dark part of that story that means he wants his in that dark part of the story and that there will be good written out of it. It says all things work together for the good of those that love god. That is our promise that even in the midst of a dark part of chapter in this book that is our lives is the story of god that is eternity. We are building a good story that he is building a good story even in the midst of difficulty even in the midst of two thousand and twenty even in the midst of losing jobs even in the midst of diagnosis is even in the midst of death even in the midst of losing everything that we hold dear here we have hope and we have a god that is with us in the midst of that. Dr parked in that god is building a good story. We aren't victims. were part of something. And we're willing to sacrifice for that thing. That is the story of guidance in what he's building through our lives here. Hey guys i am back in. I cannot wait to tell you about what i am listening to on audible. I love reading historical fiction of kind. So i downloaded kristin hannah's that just came out but after i listened to that one in probably two days because i go through them so fast i am super excited because corrie ten boom hiding places on ottawa. Plus so this is a catalogue of books. Podcasts all sorts of things that you can listen to at any time better totally free and included in your membership. You can start exploring audible now with a free thirty day trial on audible dot com slash made for this or texts made for this all one word five hundred five hundred when you become an audible plus member you have full access to the plus catalogue so guys you are going to love audible visit audible dot com slash made for this or text made for this to five hundred five hundred to start your free thirty day trial and now back to jin Answer a few questions on this one. Because i know it's really loaded in some of your league. I just wanna complain and turn this off right. Now hang on with me number one. How do i pull myself out of this victim mentality. it's everywhere. And i feel like things aren't going my way. Okay let me just say this. Things are not going our way. Some things are a lot of things aren't a lot of things. Aren't i feel like every time. I worked through a fear or we arrive at a problem being solved. There is a new problem that i never saw coming right behind. It right just feels like this is life is solving problems like the next hard thing comes and we're enduring it literally before i was recording. This podcast i was on the phone with one of my dearest friends and we were crying together about something that is not going to be solved quickly. In fact it may never be solved. This this issue and i can't say what it is but it is something that that there were no answers to. We have prayed and prayed and prayed and it is not changing and we do not know what to do and it may never change and it may never be made right on this earth. What he do with stuff like that. Y'all things are not going our way. It's it's it's real this. Is you know the promise of jesus in this world you will have trouble take heart. I'll make it alright. One day overcome the world. You know overcome at all but but it's not today and so the power of god is in the midst of the trouble but the trouble has yet to be solved completely like it will be one day. So how do we put ourselves out of this. Let me tell you the greatest way i do this. Yes i read my bible so let me give you all the right answers. I yes the bible without knowing the bible. I have no truth to tell myself so. Yes i play worship music. I love worship. It will always lift my head especially the happy songs right. I just feel victory and power. I love but the number one way that i changed my perspective. When i feel stuck and i can't do it it is to reach out to someone that is suffering more than me. It is to love them. It is to listen to them. It is to be with them and to truly like be there for them. you know. it's not our natural instinct. But i will say that every single time that i do that i come home and a hug my kids tighter and i thank god for what i have and the greatest picture of this that changed. Everything for me was being friends with sarah henry who is recovering from massive stroke. If you haven't heard her story it's several of my books. And and i talked about on the podcast as well. She has walked through so much came back from not being able to walk. Talk move and girlfriend is killing life right now. Y'all she drives. She takes care of herself her kids. She is incredible. Mom yes her. Words are still limited but in those years where we were best friends. And i saw her all the time and she's in a wheelchair still i mean it was perspective giving it just was and it is and i think that's part of the way our lives are supposed to work. I'm writing about living in a village in like how we all need this. We all were really built to live in villages. That size community is about what we can handle. And and part of it is that you can carry each other's burdens that that you walk through life together you never walk alone and so whether you're the one that is sarah that needs you know somebody to be there for you or you are the one that needs to be around sarah so that you have perspective on your life. We need each other and we need to carry each other through times and sarah has been that friend for me when when it was really really really dark because of situations i probably can't ever share on online or publicly. She was the one for me. That was was carrying me through seasons. That i didn't think i could live a breather. Pray or anything it just. It was so dark so we need each other and that is the greatest way. I think we overcome victimhood is to to love and serve each other and to be loved and served in to be in community and let other people help. Carry those burdens. You're going to hear me talking a lot about community in the coming year because what you're gonna see is i've studied pretty deep in writing this book and it really does kind of keep coming back to that that god built us genesis that that is not good for man to be alone it is not good for any of us to be alone and and so when alone in our victimhood when we're alone in our sadness in our difficulty. We don't have a lot of grit. We don't have a lot to get up and go because we are completely overwhelmed but when friends start to carry it with us our burdens with us all the sudden. It's like okay. We can do this number to life. Doesn't feel very hard right now actually. Am i doing something wrong with that. Question good for you for you know way. Enjoy it have a ball. Yeah i do understand this. Because i actually used to be this way where before i had really gone through a dark night of the soul and years of suffering which we went through in the mid like twenty fifteen twenty sixteen before that season. I felt guilty being happy. I don't feel guilty about that anymore. After several years of. I'd say three or four years of some of the darkest things happening around me and in our family and in my personal life imaginable and just kept coming and these are all the years that if gathering is starting in the pressure of all that is on top of it along with difficulty after difficulty in these were huge things huge things. I can't say nah. I just don't i don't feel that way anymore. I think that there are taste of heaven. On earth there are moments where things are okay. And you celebrate that and you'd be there for other people because that won't last and i know that now i'm not scared of that because i've seen god provided in the midst of such darkness and difficulty. I'm not afraid it. But i just expect it and i just know there will come a time when will be back on the mat where we need other people to carry us so when we are okay we carry other people and it's a great joy and privilege to be doing that for several people in my life right now. So what are some signs that. I'm living like victim if the narrative in your head is is negative all the time. You are probably struggling with victim hood if you're negative about everybody if you're negative about your circumstances if you're negative about your marriage if you're negative about your kids all the time in your head all the time i would say i've got a great book for you. It's called get out of your head because you do want to interrupt that cycle and you do want to you do wanna abruptly you know. Change the way you're thinking because living in that for too long you'll lose perspective and you'll forget the life is in about comfort and happiness and life isn't easy that we are. Our kids will disappoint us in our marriages will disappoint us in. Our friends will disappoint us and our circumstances will disappoint us. And we've got to be about those that rise above those things and and love anyway and rise above those things and show god anyway if we stay stuck in the complaining negatively then it's just basically sends a message to the world that we need everything to be all right to be happy and that's just not christianity that's not following christ. We don't need anything to be right on this earth because we have christ so living is christ and dying his gain and so there is a whole different perspective. That that if you don't know it and you have never had a chance to to hear the story of jesus in the story of this book. The bible is beautiful story. It's a surprising story. It tells that that we were stuck in that. He rescued us. Jesus on the cross died for arson to set us free and that we are set free forever and that we're here for a little while and he's broken bodies in this broken place with broken people till show people the love of god that saved us. That's it that's what we're here for and anything else is a distraction taking away from that mission. Why we're live and why we have breath so we gotta fight at guys. We gotta fight it and i know some of you are fighting it and you're exhausted and having just shed tears miss somebody. I love over circumstances. We can't control. I get it. And i want to close today despite praying for you specifically guide. We know that that in your economy the broken things the the difficult things are actually building hope and light and the kingdom and god only a good creative god could build a world and a system like that that dry bones could could walk in and bring life joy and dance and sing and moving. God i pray for the dry bones. That are listening right now. That the feel like they can't sing and they can't dance they can't celebrate and they are just crushed. They couldn't possibly imagine having grit through this difficulty because they can't get out of bed. God right now. I pray over them. I pray your spirit would be near. I pray in their grief that they would feel the peace in the space to do that for season. Because y'all that's real there are just talking about that in this episode. I'm at home out grief but that might be where you are in. That might be what you need but for those of us that the just need a shift a perspective that just need to remember what life is about and that we aren't suffering the way we could be in that that there is hope even in the midst of the suffering. That might be difficult. Would you 'cause that perspective to grow in us. God give us your eyes to see our circumstances in your eyes to see the people in our life that disappoint s. Give us your eyes to see our day to see the good to be full of gratitude. Instead of full of disappointment we love you. We thank you that you are worth following. We thank you that you want more for us than living his victims. 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THE AFTERS: Interview with Josh Haven about their new album FEAR NO MORE

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21:16 min | 2 years ago

THE AFTERS: Interview with Josh Haven about their new album FEAR NO MORE

"When I'll come to your online coffee break where we discussed bite-size topics that inspire educates and entertains. Here's your host, a software, innovator, award winning marketer, and astronomy and space boss, shucks, fields. Hello. Thanks for joining me today for your online coffee break today. I'd like to walk by special guest, Josh haven, Josh is the Taurus and lead vocalist for the after's an award winning Christian pop rock band. The after's have won numerous GM a dove awards more than one hundred thirty five million streams and their music has been played on shows like dancing with the stars American ninja warrior American, idol, and much more. The after have just released their sixth album, fear, no more. Josh is here to discuss their new album, and their incredible music. Online coffee break. Josh, thank you so much for joining us. They really appreciate it on my pleasure. Thanks for having me on. Oh my pleasure. Now obviously we love coffee here. And I understand that you and Matt sort of got the band start in a coffee. Shop he anticipated more about that. Copy is the last of the after. That's how we got her start you out of high school. I worked a little copy shop called Starbucks and mats are player. He came and started working at the same Starbucks. And so it was a time when starbuck for the nearly as popular today, so we have a, a bunch of customers in the morning like an early morning rush. And then there'd be a big break before we had another Russia customers for lunch. So it'd be kind of boring in a coffee shop and Matara both worship leaders for different college groups. So we always had our guitars, with we pull them out one day and just started making up songs then store, and then customers lock in, and we would just keep playing, and they'd Orna drink, and we'll be behind the bar with our with our guitars on, and we'd make up songs about their drinks and just start off and, and have had fun making these it can customers started asking are they could here's play show together, so that got us thinking and we looked are first show and had a lot of people so up and we've actually just. Blame you ever since. But it all started in a little cocky shop, and we still have coffee to this day. Absolutely. Now, Josh, it's been a few years, you guys are actually, you know, you're six album now, but it's been a few years since you've put up with the last one was live on forever. In two thousand sixteen catches up what's been going on in a couple of years for you? Sure. Man. It seems like yesterday that out it tried to believe it's been that long already. Yeah. You know, we all have families four kids and all the other guys has has lives in kids as well. And so some of it, you know, we're done Sam, we'll have played a lot of shows to around we partner with the Billy Graham evangelistic association alone. And so we've been doing a lot of. Outreach events all over the world. And so we've, we've been doing a lot of Michigan things like that touring making music, writing disarms for this record busy couple years, but we're also really plugged into our home churches. And I'm I'm really plugged into my home church met, same thing for him any any weekend that we're not out, you know, touring somewhere, you know, we're leading worship in our home, churches and being a part of our community. See that's great. You know, just to, to see, you know, obviously success, it's hard to balance everything. But, you know, your, your roots are, obviously grounded in the right place. I commend you for all of you for doing that. And I have to say the title song on your fear. No more. Here's fear. No more by the after's. I, I really love it, and I let hat's almost an anxiety anthem for trusting God. I just wonder if you could test a little bit more inspiration behind that. Yeah. You know, our disaster this record. But somebody really pushed ourselves to do even more so than any other record is to just be raw an honest with everything we're going through to try to be a little more vulnerable and to just put it put it all out there. I think when we start those conversations and we share on struggles we're gonna find out there. We're not on this other people going through the same thing we can be encouragement strength, fruits other, and so a battle that I've had, I was a kid was anxiety, and it's a struggle at our drummer shares as well. And so. We said let's ride an anthem for, for battling Zion anthems for trusting God. And, you know, the these feelings of anxiety, they can be debilitating. And can it can rob the joy that we have in our life? When I look back to some of the more anxious and stressful, periods of my loss. I feel like there was a lot of joy that I missed out on in the is because of anxiety taking control of my situation and God wants to live living here, you know, he wants us to trust him and to, to see the good that he's doing in our lives. And so, you know, I, I really have empathy and understanding for people who have that struggle. I know how real it is. And how they can come out nowhere and it can it can just totally take hold. And so we wanted to give people a weapon against it thong. If they could sink sing over the situation Sam, I'm not gonna live in this. I'm gonna I'm gonna trust God. And, and now up here. And so, are, you know, hope it's an anthem or people can, you know, close, and we just tried to be as real and honest as we kid with that winter. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it comes across because I think you even mentioned this. In another interview, you mentioned something, there's, like three hundred sixty five pastors in the bible, where God says do that be afraid it's the most common theme and a whole more than anything else do not being afraid. So I think knowckout wants us to trust him. And if you think about it, it's, it's, it's a tool that the enemy is distracted because we're focused on our anxiety in years, when we're told them by depression, or not focusing on the things that God has for last, you know, we are it it's, it's. It's definitely something that kind of seen as you up unless you know it, it can freeze you and, and leave you feeling like you don't even know what to do and, and it can be all consuming. It takes over your mind takes over your emotions takes over your health. You know, I've had seasons in life where I was convinced I had all kinds of different, you know, things going on body, and it was all just anxiety related and, and, you know, coming up with tools to battle that can can change a lot. So our hope was to start that conversation with our fans and, and say, you know, you know, in, you know, we, we deal with it, too, and I, I know how you can overcome it in their heart sals, you know, I've discovered tools over the years, it really helps to battle that. And it's not nearly as bad it used to be. I'll see. I'm so glad to hear that. That's awesome. If you're no more just as of convenient, and another song that I think is just so powerful is your song, well done. Here's a well done by the after's. Yeah, Weldon is a special song from me because it's a sign on Iraq for years. I dad, my dad passed away fourteen years ago, and he had a two year battle with cancer, and one of the hardest things are gone to the loss of my dad. Because I was really close to him. He was a great dad. And so coming up on fourteen years since he, he left us a really hit close to home this year. Two sisters. They got married, and at their weddings. You know he wasn't there to walk. I walk my sister them out my other sister, I fish. She had wedding actually did the ceremony and that, that loss anybody who's been through loss like that, that you gloss, somebody that you love. You notice feeling I'm talking about this void the nothing else really fills, and I feel it 'cause I have four kids now to would love to have their grandpa. I just know that he'd be grandpa. And so one thing that I did see when our family was all gathered together for those weddings. I saw their Stanley loved each other, and my saw that they were failure on Jesus. And I think a lot of that we learn from our dad, because he lived to laugh in pursuit of Jesus. So caffeine it as an inheritance that we have from him is, is this passion and love for God and desire to rhythms last tram, I can't think of a better legacy to make pot. And so, you know. You know, something that I hopefully behind with my kids, and it just makes me made me think about the time that we have here is so image that and it's so easy to get distracted doing things that don't really matter in focusing our lives on things. Eternally don't matter for me. When I rent those words scripture here here that after mation that will come from our savior. Well, then I couldn't faithful servant. It's a reminder to be attorney focus to think about forever to think about heaven to think about our life of Jesus, even after this life into the live this life in pursuit of that, I believe, God has something for all of us to do. He puts us in this world for, and, you know, you, you have things that you can do that. I can't do and he gave each of us something unique like that we can bring the world and he wants the first board. And so for me, it's kind of a minor to Charlie focused, and I heard Francis Chan went say, you know, don't don't live this last to prepare for the last ten years if you're right here on earth, this last to prepare for your first million years, we turned, and I just love that. I love that too, as a mazy now I think one thing there's really unique about your band, is, is how you guys can put so much joy to songs, which Steve meeting and two other songs that off. You knew. I just figured fun are, you know, lightning lightning, and what home feels like? Here's what home feels like by the after's. For the first. A new home vs. Share with home for you're like, man that song came out of years of traveling around and Tori and realizing that home isn't just a location. You know, home address, foreign walls, and the foundation home is your people. You know, it's your friends, your family. It's your wives and kids your community. And so as we've traveled around and to work, still home in so many different places, and so we wanted to write a song return of reminded people that home is just people wrapping their arms around and what you did it and even matter like this is forgiveness in love. And then so you can find home in so many different places. So as long as family in our community, and in our friends out, some and I just love that feeling after years of going all over the world realizing, okay home is not location. Homes is where people are. And then livening. Here's lightning by the after's. Cooled. Dave. Lightning is, is a fun song and voted with our friend Miller for senior for mercy. And he actually the reason that we got signed to record label in the first place. Mercy me was a local Texas ban. Same time than we are, and before they got signed, and blew up with that can only imagine. We have played some shows together in North Texas and became friends, and, and then later after they had blown up are called us their label wanted to us. And then they, they took some tour very first euros Mersad me we've always talked about writing on and just never done it yet. And so for this record, and we got together and wrote lightning, and I love this on knish about that spark that fire guy puts it our hearts when we give our lives to him, it's, it's really about conversion you know, sparked, you know, the our life has changed forever. Nothing ever. Say and that that's what happens when Jesus comes into your heart. And so it it's a really fun to buy one of my favorites. One of my favorites too. Definitely, now when they came across, and it's sort of said story, but I think it has a happy ending is the story about piper. I was just wondering, I didn't know you'd share and just a little bit about that. Yeah. Call forever, and always on this record. And, you know, one thing I would say about this Adam in particular is there's a lot of raw honesty on his record and sometimes that comes out in joy and elation and just gratitude in life. There's a lot of songs that, that are just fun. But there's a less on deal with hearts, Q, really honest way and forever. And always is one of songs, one of our longtime close friends, and he was found for years and traveled the world with. Anthony he and his life or spectrum their first daughter, and they named her piper and she passed away at birth. I remember that day when she was when his wife going into labor each exit us all that morning. You know, they were going into the birth and they had the nursery auto renew, and they're so excited. And then later that day we heard the piper had passed away in, in the middle of childbirth from someone expected complications. And it was just devastating tower. I mean it was it was so heartbreaking. See them go through that and undergoing this, universal and seeing Anthony, and Lauren and just not knowing what to say, no, no honors route equipped for that moment. And so when I was with, and it was almost like, we, we were just present with each other, and we cried together, and, you know, tucked him and, and we're just there to support him, and I remember later thinking, man, I wonder what? All right. A song it's all the things about heart and to share, you know, what are the things that I really wanna share what whenever friend who's is going through something impossible. You know what are those words, I wanna share with them that could send to, to comfort them implanted? Jesus. And so started thinking about that song. And then a couple of months after the daughter passed away, we, we had some, some tour dates in Europe and so invited. Anthony, Lord come along. And we all are wives so they can hang out together. And you know, we were hoping it'd be an escape for them and a reset, some good fellowship with us. And, and we had a show in Holland and during our soundcheck during the day or wives are walking around Amsterdam. Answer this beautiful city and they came back so excited because they've exploring all that in found is the cafe oldest cafes and all Amsterdam is called the piper cafe, and they were so excited because it was the same spelling that they had for their daughter, and they'd never seen that, spilling, anywhere else other than one flex, and that was when I got the name. And so let's go to hyper cafe after the show, you know. Or a member piper. And just kind of have a moment together. So after the show, we all walked down to the piper cafe, and, you know, we pray for Anthony Lauren, and we all say some words kind of remembering piper, and then we get to leave. And I thought if hord no all and it was an award for hospitality. It was the only thing hang on the wall and that cafe and I called Anthony Lawrence, it's the picture this piper's name on this award and they walked over and we look forward and they both start crying. And they said, you won't believe is the day on that award is poppers birthday. All the days of the year it was the same day, the type was born. And in that moment, it, just like was saying, I see you on here with you, my angels of flying around you. You're not alone. And it was so comforting to them. And so when I came back, you know, we've finished writing whatever knowledge, and, but that's, that's the message that I want to send anyone who's going to an impossible situation, as you know what I can't understand all this pain. There's no explanation for it. But I know that we got his near the broken heart, and he's not gonna lead you ever ever ever use with you to all of this forever. And always. And so that's a song now that I sent a friend when they're going to something impossible to the hardest times and had somebody recently, some really good friends of ours. The one diagnosed with breast cancer, and so hard to know, like what do you say and I sent them to song, and it became one of her. Her comfort songs for cancer battle was with forever, analyze and, and, you know, I hope it's just on that when it comes out, you know, when, when, when people hear this, I hope it brings a lot of comfort in those impossible situations through nine of the God near you and these moments and, and he is your comfort. He's, he's not gonna leaving. A wish I could say Kuwait. Show basis. A Wisha Kosei. It'll be okay. But I don't have the. I just know he is closed the broken hearted. I just know he is cool stew, the brokenhearted. Hughes. I'll tell you. Your band is incredible. I it just personally you just, just really take time to share the message and funeral more. We just wish you the best success with it. And again, I can't think enough for taking the time to stay. Thank you so much, really. Yes, sir. Thanks for the support of his new record. Thanks for having yourself. Online coffee break. While I really enjoy my conversation with Josh and I'm love and the music by the after's, if you let to purchase their album, fear. No more. It's out now and available at apple music, Spotify Amazon music, and much more. Find out more about the after's just visit them at the after's dot com. I want to thank Josh for joining us say, when thank you for joining us as well. We really do. Appreciate it. Feel it too common. It's just go to our website, online coffee break dot com. We also love it. If you'd follow us on Facebook or Instagram at online, copper break, we also project. If you consider supporting on patriotic at patriot dot com for Nash online coffee break. Thanks again for the time insurance day. We'll see you next time. God bless.

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