20 Episode results for "Four Five Weeks"
Why We Underestimated COVID-19
"I'm Dorothy Workington on today's politics. More podcast the New Yorkers Marie Cocco via talks to the economist Daniel Conham Conman who won a Nobel prize for his work on Social Economics discusses. Why the threat posed by cove nineteen has proved so difficult for many to grasp outside of emergency rooms. It seems like many of us fail to understand this pandemic in real time to understand the seriousness of it. The appalling fatality. Now I'm not talking about this cynical disinformation that was spread by the president and his media allies. What I mean here is the spring breakers who seemed so oblivious to what was going on and continued partying on beaches. I'm talking about the way that there were crowded city parks and crowded restaurants and bars. Even as the death toll began to soar even elected officials leaders at all levels of government struggle to respond to the virus in a way that reflected just how serious the problem actually was. And is how and why people misunderstand and make mistakes is the life's work of Daniel common a scholar whose work revolutionized the field of cognitive psychology. He's a winner of the Nobel Prize and the author of thinking fast and slow a bestseller about human behavior. Maria CONACO WHO's written for the New Yorker about psychology and many other subjects spoke to Daniel Conham. Last week this is an exponential event that we see things doubling every two days every three days before days and people don't at certainly including myself don't seem to be able to think straight about exponential growth. So I was. I knew that they one hundred cases in France and I was about two flights in France. I also knew that makes exponential. I didn't even consider the five that if you know. It's the rate of infections doubles. Every three days in a month it will be increased by factor when thousands. And let me see today or infections that occur to a three weeks ago that this today or people got infected four five weeks ago all of this is a thing took a beyond intuitive human comprehension. And that's interesting that we're in a situation that we simply not equipped to understand. So I'm I'm interested in how then people can make decisions and can follow advice both from the personal love like you and I but also from the highest levels like if even someone like you is unable to grasp the nate that nature of exponential growth. And what it might mean how to leaders Us All of this information to make decisions. How do they think through it? How do they figure out? Okay well what is the best way forward well? People tend to be focused and obviously that restrict president trump as well. They tend to be focused on the number of casualties though or cases of death today. And this is something that you want to warn people again and don't look at what is happening today. You need to extrapolate into the future in terms of people obeying instructions. You don't need many numbers. I mean I think that if the president said you know looking very serious. This is a very serious problem. And we're anticipating many of these people will obey people would pay attention. It's not even a matter of people making good decisions. It's a matter of getting people to behave in a particular way in a way that appropriate to a state of fear when they're not actually experiencing and on the individual level. Is there anything that we can try to do on an individual level psychologically to be better equipped to to make these choices? I think that's a does not. This is not the individual decision make much fem- of the conversation. My point of view. This is not an individual decision. Individuals should make the smallest possible number of choices equipped to do it There should be clear guidelines and tear instructions. We ought to know whether we should open Amazon packages. Outside the door agreeing. The main. It's not a decision that individuals should consider making on the basis of what they know because they don't know enough to make has your thinking about risk. Perception has this situation actually affected at all. Well you know. I'm I'm surprised by myself in a way by my ability to grasp What is going on but it might bullets to be worried at the appropriate level. You can think of every time someone decides to go to the park. Something like that as kind of a gambling decision almost gambling with your own health gambling with the health of others. And the a lot of the work you've done has revolved around. How evaluate though the risks that the costs the benefits of different gambles in that sense? How do we make those evaluations? You know how do we think through that type of Calculus when we make decisions? One difficulty clearly. Which is that if you view every time that you go to the supermarket as a gamble You're not doing it with right. I mean that's the gambling. The same sense as wearing not wearing seatbelts is a gambler's accumulative gamble. And the risk for anyone behavior is very very slight. It's it's adopting a pattern of behavious. That on the whole for many people is going to be to be safer and here the main cue that we're getting a thing is the behavior of other people. Man I'm very struck by the change in the behavior of people in the supermarket over the last few days and that signal that other people are aware of what is happening. That is the main way. Think that brisket communicated that's really interesting so you're talking a lot about kind of the norms of behavior. We don't have a norm of wearing masks. We don't have it a norm of obeying necessarily can of those stricter things coming from the top. Do you do you think it's We might we might need a change when it comes to that well It's difficult nobody is going to change the culture. The culture is would it is but give you an example if I don't watch much television. But I see pictures of the daily conference calls of the president. If they were distancing there that would send a signal when you see a lot of people you know within within the wrong distance of each other and clearly not taking the kind of precautions that they would like everybody else to take that sends a very strong signal. Another good one. Yes Oh that kind of communication is is more important than any verbal communication and we need the appropriate emotional melody Because when the president communicates that t he really thinks that the lot of the stuff has been exaggerated the damage that this does is really huge. Did you end up taking your trip to France or did you not go hesitated to the last minute and then I decided no but But even when I made the decision I wasn't thinking straight but actually I had the tools to think much more precise about it and then use those hoops. Can you elaborate a little bit? What were the tools that you had? But that you didn't use the tools would be to try to think what it means that A pandemic is spreading. And I completely fan to see that although if I had tried to thank strategy for you know. Try to write my thoughts about it just to thinking fully. I would probably have figured it out but I wasn't doing this because the number of deaths at that time was small Then look very worrying. And the idea that this is exactly what the condemning looks like. I could have known lots of could have known. Obviously whose actions were much more important than mine. Decision of whether or not to go to Paris a lot of preparations that should have been taken would not are you. I don't I don't want us to come off wrong but are you optimistic. Are you pessimistic? Wettest your kind of what is your feeling about our ability to to get through this. You know I mean if you take the long view than of course you have to be optimistic. I'm pretty sure there'd be some cure there'd be a vaccine and you know even without a cure without scene in one thousand nine hundred eighteen you know. Millions of people died but society supply for old people like me. The profits are not good. I see very little reason for optimism at the best. I would say for the older among us. This is pretty much a life. Sentence of incarceration at home or a very long term sentence. It going to train the rest of our life so for spite the I'm definitely optimistic. There's no question. I think this is not an existential danger. Would come out of it. Society will come out of date. The economy will come out of it. It could take several years but ultimately you know life will go. Daniel Conman is professor emeritus at Princeton. And he's the author of thinking. Fast and slow and other books. Ricotta COBRAS The author of the confidence game in the forthcoming. The biggest bluff. How I learned to pay attention master myself and win.
News Roundup: 09/10/19
"Hello I'm Nilekani and this is the people podcasts. Every other week I sit down with James Booth to discuss the latest innovations investments and acquisitions that have taken place over the last week's alright well James thanks for joining us time it looks like a very cool initiative yes called Google spot and it seems to be primarily for Indian merchants and it's basically a way of getting the merchants way of creating their own brand at checkout experience with Google pay and beyond being a branded immersion checkout page it also serves as John which will essentially allow you to do everything yeah I mean it seems it seems India seems to be the playground for Google they're always launching new products there aboard so if you are getting food delivered to you the next day you could be delivering the food yourself it seems yeah I mean it's it's it's kind of a third their main hub in Asia kind of combating alley pay and we chat pay in China so google has this payment APP at the moment mega apps being launched in Europe finishing it'll save so much space on our on our iphone or android home screens okay so the appeal is basically you don't have to have the aiman APP and India Google has been making a really aggressive push in India particularly towards their e Wallis there which they see could be enough to rule them all I mean I don't think they would ever be one up and it would entrust google to be that up but at least there's a western player making that full stack serve as you've got the merchant checker aren't you've got marketing within their you've got Oversee GIG economy type integrations within their race towards December being a little bit healthier does a very positive attitude always positive all right so this week let's kick off with Google together and and if you can have two or three APPs that can do everything in my opinion that would be great and even if they were integrated into other services even if the APP was just national players that are jumping boards this marketplace initiative of there so I think it's got significant legs I mean I'd I'd love to see this type of product being launched in the Western I mean I don't think it's going to change the game overnight I I mean I didn't see Ya don't see them taking up a huge market share I mean I think it's just directionally it's very good it's I mean China already has a very crowded domestic markets but it is a very domestic market I mean there's no foreign the APPs is just the one happened then they have like the Minneapolis inside of it is that right this is how we chat pay works I believe right yeah it's it's it's really just the the is there and I think the fact that they're slowly opening the doors to one or two Non Chinese financial institutions is a good sign the firm that operates under the go pay brand so obviously it's an undisclosed acquisition sedona actually homage they paid to get into the market for step two combining all of these services because I think all of our e commerce services and APPs are so fragmented the moment we need something to start bringing them closer comfortable with cross-border flows they'd start opening the gate to more players non saying that there's a big political swig naked happen so who knows what will happen if he has time but yeah I mean it looks like it looks like there's already quite a few B two uses Clap Gubbio make my trip red bus each dot foot and ovens consumers using the go pay brand in China will be allowed to make cross-border e-commerce purchases through pay pal now story or radio on board on the early access program and it seems Google's introducing jobs bots so I think there's quite a few players that and but it's interesting that there's another wisdom play entering the the the Chinese markets I think the lawsuit that ended was American Express about a year ago almost how will that work from a technical setup do you think co pay is effectively a PS p within China Obviously they've got a wallet for cross-border flows I don't see them yeah I don't see them winning local Markelle chair especially against alipay and we have had and you didn't pay a new payment service that uses both QR codes and NFC said another another Qr Code initiative I think we we the moment so for a little bit lower energy than usual he asked us the reason why exactly it's the beginning of winter adr they get sick in the beginning of one set so he can we can pity apps all right and let's turn our attention to the east where pay pal has been making some news in China Pay Paul acquired a seventy percent stake I mean it just opens up traded opens up possibilities and for me it's just bitter direction he in that five ten years time it could be a completely different landscape and access to pay consumers so that obviously win paypal wallet holders wish trouble into China they really have ed all papal has been interested in seemingly the rest of the world outside of China but how does actually change the game in China Qr Code Payments Sorry the platform to allow merchants to receive funds instantly with no commission charges to pay cody has been developed by Mexico's Central Bank we've only seen it in South East Asia China Novice he is hoping to India and it would be great to see one of these all in one marketplace is to layer and you still lying services underneath that would solve a lot of the fragmentation of the markets and a lot of the hassle of having to to dominate twenty Oh papa trend I can see seemingly so so walk us through this decision that Mexico has with QR codes yeah so a Mexican based business coober digital testing out new features it's it's definitely the latest battleground amongst most of the Fintech out there and this seems that this is Google I take it Open China and and obviously American Express and paypal or was he too the biggest names international equalness so I would expect as China gets more so it's good to see more more players actually more kind of friendly competition between the way in the east in this regard so pale try to pay pal has not really tapped into for means to pay for prepay for I don't know hotels prepay for travel prepay for a retail goods excetera and they can now use the paypal wallet that for cross-border transactions as crossborder trade increases they'll be an increasing need for more international payments firms to sit ah one of their their versions of Super App pretty cool I call my for them to launch it in Europe or the states will somewhere else so we get our house in bed provoker linked launching a cure code initiative or for example in Europe the see ya through Sepah Magin CEPA had a Qr code standard within the EU now imagine you how to cure heard layer attached to that so now you could integrate those into any point of sale that you like and essentially that's what they've done in Mexico's but primarily their their payment gateway of sorts so for paper aisle it's ready giving on of the local Chinese merchant keen instant payments easily accessible for everybody and that's the cool thing about it because it's led by all the national banks so open to everyone took purchasers goes rather than having to use traditional cadre all right well that's enough with go pay let's check out Mexico now because they have it launch NFC and cure it's going to be interesting to see if consumers good down the contact list NFC roots or just go straight to an e wallet APP in their preferred Skanky so step is pretty much completely standardized framework for payments for interbank payments for direct debit consumer to business payments etc so if Cobra digital national mobile payments platform abbreviated to cody I was developed by Mexico's Central Bank Banco de Mexico and all members of countries the same way that everybody has access to CEPA in the e U or foster payments in the UK it should be a national standard I just think it's nice that more players in that market and we're able to see more revenue like we'll we'll see different products different opportunities pop up in that market so national mobile payments platform that's that's a mouthful has announced it's now live across the country named consumers to make NFC an cure payments aren't again and yeah I think I'd love to see this trend continue another markets cody is also a instant transfers to write says because it says ended is cure code so it's going to be nice to see where they are in a few years time whether they can also create a senator is cure code format so that a crazy idea that they could create a worldwide common currency with a lot of very high no shiny investors high don in Latin America I think the America is always a little bit behind when it comes to some of this new technology I mean we're already seeing in Europe there's commission payments are due in funds are transferred instantly from one big council another it's not only a standard for using SEO QR codes but it's also a way of me I think this could power a lot of their the local e wallets within Mexico. I'm it's going to be interesting to see how this affects car payments of is he I'd be interested to know what the the fees off or merchants and financial institutions but it's it's great that it's completely open everybody should have access to it interbank electronic payments system with more than three thousand customer accounts are quiet offer the system to the consumers it's actually a a national initiative I investors like Visa Mastercard and stripe as well as pay pal yeah I mean to summarize it labors effectively that's that is enabled this cure could and NFC payment which was pretty cool seeing it on a national level it's it's the equivalent of this in the UK the foster payments so you don't pay pal and American Express will be the last ones into China oh no no no I think there'll be more I mean and especially because I mean the main reason that they're in there is of his he born to a buzzy topic which is cryptocurrency obviously as you know there's there's there's been quite a lot of movement recently with libra yeah facebook and I think more countries should be launching these types of initiatives as national standards I mean I think I think my last point on this is this is just for the because I I guess what they're trying to test I would hope that good on the Q.. Occurred route get rid of all the plastic our wallets but it's one to keep visa and mastercard of slow down there yeah out there let's say excitement towards libra I think they've slowly backed off Said Ace books seem to to do it no justice because slowly confidence chipped away I think a lot of the negative press around facebook and they're they're wanting to cross country and Cross Wallet Cure Codes initiatives popping up and obviously the Mexico's one of the first in the US just launch secon- economy that's just for Mexico it's GonNa be great to see if this influences any initiatives north of the border up up in the US or Canada or even I think building new different products helps us taken the right step forward I'm not saying that this type of product is right where the bed amongst the big players that rarely have reputational risk at stake and do you think this is mostly an example of toxic brand bringing down a product seemed like with all of the backers that they really did have a decent chance and get in this up in writing however as time went by the the brand so I mean I mean fundamentally I think products like this are good I mean I wouldn't say I may crypto currency evangelists but uh network of twenty or thirty or so participants who would be be a piggybacking off the Lebron Network crating let's say e Wallet App he called Feats didn't pitch up to the meeting and now they've decided to to back counts of the Association so I think they're gonNA start losing a lot of support especially work on a cross-border basis but I think that's thinking a few years ahead are just like to see this get up and running and being being used does sound like a not a pipedream but certainly if it was paypal or for Twas Visa MasterCard or if it was another fantastic that's has had so much bad news recently when it comes to libra in particular I do think Hof of their don for is the fact that they're associated with facebook I think if it was control the world and not wanting to control their uses financial world I think it was a bit too much for some of the participants I mean re- recently Sir any meetings that we should keep an eye on for libra not that I'm aware of I think this The past week with with paper dropping outer auditor for cure could trend three four five weeks ago something like that we've we've raised the topic almost on every single PUTT 'cause it's an is that access the network
The VOICE, The FLOW, and The RV | 045
"Welcome to the churches broken podcast. My name is Samuel nighter in the mission of this show is to spread the message of the kingdom because God didn't call us to be church people. He called us to be kingdom people bringing light into darkness bringing the kingdom of heaven to the earth. It has been a crazy crazy week for me and my family. Last week. I was at warrior week where we fifty six as a lead coach stepping into leading that for the first time leading twenty three men through a pre-training process done virtually and then leading them through the event itself and something very strange happened something unexpected happen through the process of this event. So on the second day in the evening. There is a meditation in that meditation. I had a vision it was a strange vision. It was a vision. I didn't understand I'm still trying to unravel and put together, but I think I've figured out a part of it. So in this meditation. The first thing that happened was I felt or saw or sense this dark presence walk right in front of me. It was very it was crazy. I actually thought that someone had gotten up we are in a circle sitting around in a circle. And I thought somebody had gotten up in walked in front of me. I had my eyes closed didn't know what to make of it. And it passed in front of me. And then wasn't there after a few seconds? And so I just kind of stayed in my zone in the meditation. Later on in the meditation. I had a vision of. What turned out to be my wife like rising from the center of a fire and she had scales. Almost like a mermaid and she rose up, and I didn't recognize her at first because the scales covered her entire body and head and then eventually the scales fell off of her is in her face, and I recognized that it was her, and she was kind of their floating, and she grabbed my hand. And she began to lead me, she was just kind of floating along she grabbed my hand kind of looking back over her shoulder, and I touched her and her hand to call the vid and she just kinda lead me forward later on in the meditation. I'm not sure how long a period of time. It was I began to see light. She had grabbed my hand and was leading me off in the direction kind of to my left later in the meditation. I began to see this glowing light way off in the very very far corner. My left eye and. The light was yellowish at first it was kind of dull. And then it kinda grew in intensity. Until was pretty bright was bright yellow golden, and then it grew even more into this orangish light. And it kinda would go through this, abbot and flow. It would grow in intensity and then dim, but it kept growing in magnitudes throughout the course of the rest of this meditation actually throughout the this sequence of this period of the meditation 'cause I'm not sure exactly when it occurred or how long it occurred, and then it grew into this. Big huge, bright, reddish light. And then it went out. And I had no idea what to make of it. This was on the last part of day two of warrior week. The next day. I woke up and something was off like something was off. Like, my whole being was not it was not aligned. And no matter what I did to get myself aligned. It wasn't working. And I thought it was because of my disconnection to my family. I hadn't talked to them. This was Thursday morning. I had not talked to them since Monday night, and that's abnormal. Typically, I talked to them on a daily basis or multiple times a day when I'm on the road. I talked to my wife and my kids had not talked to them. And so I attributed it to just this this angst that I was feeling. It was kind of this. I called it this fuck all energy, just basically like fuck, all like everything. And just this angst that I was having. So I went through the day. And as I went through the day. I wouldn't say I experienced any the angst through the day. I kinda got it normalized by a couple hours into the day and was focused on the men focused on what we were doing and moving. Forward throughout the date. And as the day on folded. I noticed toward the end of the day, again, eight o'clock nine o'clock at night this energy started to come back into me this angst. And I started to feel it in my body. And then the night on folded in the night went pretty late to about midnight. And by the end of the night. Something very drastic came clear to me. It was a feeling that I had had it was a very very similar feeling that I had had when I was in ministry work. And I was part of this group that was led by a lead pastor, and I was part of this thing for about five years, and I had invested myself fully, and by the end, there was something in me that was being it was almost like a magnetic repulsion. Who was like, I was it was the the two magnets coming together that ki- you can't touch them together because they're literally the have the same polarity in their pushing apart. And I felt pushed to get out. Like, I felt this inner drive in every part of my body was just being repulsed away and pushed out of what I was in the ministry work, and I quickly. I recognize that it had been growing over some time that I had been doing that. It took a little bit longer for me to recognize an acknowledged it when I was a younger man close to thirty years old at that time. Than it did last week, but I had the same. It was all the same feelings. It was like this magnetic polarity thing in my body. I could literally feel it in my body. And by the end of the night, I realized like my body and everything in me all this angst. All this fuck all energy, all this desire, and this kind of thrust. That's pushing me somewhere is actually pushing me out of this meaning pushing me out of being a coach of warrior week. She's very strange because coaching in Warri week is a great honor. It's a huge honour. And it's an awesome is an awesome experience as a coach. It combines the physical the mental the emotional, the spiritual. There's nothing like it on the earth. There's no event that I'm aware of that is like this where it combines all the aspects of a man who. He is. And as a coach you get to lead a man through this amazing processes been something I've been looking forward to for quite some time. I had even daydream about what it would be like to coach within this to coach as a warrior week coach. And yet here I was standing at midnight on this latte. The third night of four there four days, total of the the physical experience and something in me like everything in my body is telling me, you should not be here you need to get out. And so then I began to focus on my heart and listen to my heart in my heart spoke, very very clearly as it does. And it just said this is not for you you need to go. This is not for you, you need to go and often when my heart speaks in these kind of moments. There's no there's no grasping. There's no understanding. Right. I've learned to simply trust my heart. There have been so many decisions so many steps so many steps of faith because listening to the heart requires faith. And nothing in my mind. Understood this like I had committed notch just to coaching at worry week, but to taking the men who stepped through into a ninety day challenge after warrior week I committed to this like I had committed and I'm the kinda guy when I commit to something when I say, I'm going to do it. I do it. Okay. Yet here. I am standing on day number three of four at the end of the day. And my heart is telling me. I must leave. This is not for you. Go. As so in that moment, I realized I have to act quickly like a lot of things that are going to happen over the next day. If I don't act if I don't respond if I don't obey and submit to what my heart is telling me right now, I'm actually going to create a cluster fuck for myself for the men for warrior for all these things like this is something I need to act on immediately. So I met with the lead trainer coach Sam at twelve thirty that night. Let him know what was going on in. His response was simple. If your heart is telling you to do that that you need to follow your heart. This'll take care of itself. We'll take we'll figure it out. We'll take care of it. But you must follow your heart. As what I love about this, man. I love this about garett white and warrior, and the message that is preached within warrior. It's all about ultimately learning. How to listen to the voice in your heart? Not listening to the voice in your head. But listening to the voice in your heart. In fact, Garrett ran in Evelyn the day before and the whole purpose of the evolution was exactly this. Learn to listen to your heart. Learn to listen to the voice in your heart. Not the voice in your head. And so in this moment, I was tested. I was tested literally the coach began began became the coachee the leader became the one being led. And I was tested to see if what I had been preaching. What I had been teaching what I had been leading these men to do the listen to their heart not their head. If it was something that I would actually do in the moment, though, it made no sense and still on some level makes no sense. And so I did and just like that within a span of twenty four hours actually within a span of six or eight hours, I had removed myself from being warrior week coach. Although I wanted to finish out were week. What came clear the next day was that coach Sam realize like he needed to just invest his energy toward those men. And if I was out my energy is going to be different the next day. And so he felt it best that I did not participate in the last day though. I wanted to and I respected that was like, yeah. I get it. I understand your show. Do what you gotta do. So I didn't even get to finish. I did not even finish the warrior week that I had led the pre-training and was the lead coach through the first three days kinda strange several of the men reached out. They just said, I don't know what happened. But they thanked me. They Fank me for what I had given them and done for them in that thirty day period. And I told them it was my honour. And so here I was. Something I had planned on doing for this upcoming year for two thousand nineteen was now completely up ended in a span of twenty four hours and one decision one heart decision. So I'm driving back home the next morning. And I relate to my wife everything that had happened. We have this long discussion several hours driving on the road and something beautiful began to unfold as soon as she realized number one what had happened and why I had done what I had done. And this is the beautiful thing about my wife like she honors. She honors me following my heart. She honors me taking these steps of faith, even though I had not consulted with her because it was twelve thirty at night when I made that decision when it came clear to me, I knew that she would be fully supported because we've done this so many times throughout the twenty years of our marriage. So as I related what happened. Explain what happened. Explain my process with all of this. And then just was kind of done. I had gotten it all out. She understood she said, yeah, I understand I can see it. And she immediately something began to rise up in her. And she started talking about doing something pretty radical which is to take a trip for a year in an RV across the country. This came out of nowhere. In fact, we have never once in our lives in our marriage ever talked about doing this. We talked about maybe taking an RV vacation for a couple of weeks and going to couple national parks and things like that for summer trip or something like that. But we have never once ever discussed going on the road like literally packing up packing are shit. Putting it in storage and going on the road in an RV like a three hundred square foot RV with my wife, myself, our two kids and our dog for a year, and yet somehow this began to be the flow of our conversation. And as she talked something kept flashing in my mind, it was the vision I had had in my meditation. It was the vision of her taking me by the hand and leading me. Leading me in a direction. Ultimately leading me wear leading me toward the light. And so initially as she began to say this. I mean, I was so discombobulated by everything that happened. Like literally my world got turned upside down in one decision in less than twelve hours. And boom like my whole world was different and on a different trajectory some already discombobulated as she's talking about this. So I didn't have a whole lot of resistance in me. But normally what happens like when she goes off on some of these ideas, my mind, my logic, my thoughts immediately come in. And I kind of I kind of say some things that shut it down. And that close off that path because when she goes down this direction, she's putting herself invulnerability like this is a dream. That's coming out of her in through her in her heart and one or two words or sentences can just Pierce it. And then she shuts it down because in that Volmer ability. I didn't protect her and nurture it and love her in that. And I didn't do that. And every time my thoughts would begin to go like this is fucking nuts. I would remember this vision in my meditation. This vision of her my Queen taking me by the hand and leading me. And leading me alternately wear toward the light. So here we are. Five days later, as I record this five days later, and we have decided and it was actually decided that day that day. I was driving home in the car having this conversation where dream turned into a reality where the heart got opened up both of our hearts in union got opened up to a new idea and new path and the new step of faith. Is very similar to actually what brought us out to California. My wife has had health issues. I've described those and other episodes of this podcast, they manifested in her lungs, and ultimately, we realized or we had Opole Manala just say, look if you have the means or the the ability to move to a warmer climate with good air quality. Now is the time. And so from that moment. And from the moment where she and I both independently had began had begun having thought of maybe we need to move. And then the pulmonologist comes on the heels of that. And then both of us independently come to this conclusion like we need to move. We don't know where we need to move. But we need to move. We need to move from Cleveland, Ohio and move somewhere else. And within four hours of both of us independently coming to that conclusion talking to one another about it realizing we had come to the same conclusion and the same heart decision within four hours we had and she had looked at every area of the country and by process of elimination. Landed us pointed us toward the central coast. Of california. Literally. And within that four hour timespan. We had redirected ourselves and decided to take this leap of faith. Not knowing anyone never having been out here. Other than driving through as college kids. And landed out here. And it was very similar with this whole unfolding of this RV thing like it happens. So quickly in this time. It was within an hour within an hour of. She said I feel like we're free now like you don't have any obligations and as soon as she felt this freedom. This flow began to come out. I've been talking about flow in the last two episodes, and I've been talking about flow in particular in the marriage between husband and wife. And so this flow began to happen between us, and because of the vision, I had I didn't allow my logical dream killing nature to come out and Pierce, the beauty of what she began to express and what began to flow through her. Instead, I let her take me by the hand and lead me. Toward the light. Is so starting in June. We have decided we're going to buy an RV. We're going to either leave all our stuff in this house that we've been renting or pack it up and store it, and we are going to go on the road for a year. And focus on our family our kids and make love our purpose throughout this year. Make love and loving one. Another our purpose through this upcoming year in allow that love to become the fuel to create. Like to get out of this mode of having to produce as a man, I'm a producer. I must produce and get into the mode of as a lover as a husband as a father in union with my wife together with my family. What am I called to create? Like, what am I call decree? Now, what am I call produce to make money for vocation for my calling whatever you want, whatever you wanna call it? However, you wanna define it. But this thought of producing and production instead of that, what am I call to create out of the beauty out of the union out of the flow. That's between us and in us, and especially between, my wife, and I. And so this upcoming year is going to be a crazy year is going to be an adventure. Like, I don't know how we my family are going to go from we lived in a five thousand square foot house in Cleveland, we live in a thirty five hundred square foot house in California that also has a Caserta, which is another fifteen or eighteen hundred spur feet. I don't know how we're going to go from that to a three or four hundred square foot. I think three hundred square foot RV and not murder one another. I don't know how it's going to happen. But this is where the flow is taking us. This is the expansion. We are being called into. To go on this grand adventure. So a lot's going to happen like lots going to happen. We're probably going to create a YouTube channel document our trip. My wife will probably start a podcast. My son will probably start a podcast. I plan on transitioning this podcast this podcast. The is broken. I plan on transitioning it to a new podcast something along the lines of the pit Walker. Finding your power your purpose and your path on the other side of the pit. Like really, this has become more. Clearly, what is in me. I'm not here to thrash the church to thrash organized religion. I did that somewhat at the beginning of this podcast. Like that's not what I'm here. That's not what I'm here for. I'm here for something. I'm here for the kingdom of God. And I've had many experiences over the last twenty years of traveling through the pit walking through the pit. What is the pit? The pit is the darkness in the pain inside of us. The pit is. The thing we fear. The pit is what we tried to avoid to not have to go into. And yet I've found throughout the twenty years of my adult life that there is no way to move forward. There's no way to grow. There's no way to become more. There's no way to find the light except to go into the darkness of the pit. And in that in that in finding the light in the deepest darkness in my soul. My purpose gets revealed and the power to live my purpose and the path forward becomes clear in the pit. So I'm gonna talk about this. And I'm gonna share my experiences along this line on my transition this podcast from the church is broken to the pit Walker. So hopefully, if you've enjoyed and found value in what I've shared here. You'll transition you'll listen to the next one. I'm planning on going fifty two episodes fifty two seems like a nice number. I've been going one a week. I might speed it up here and go to a week to I hit fifty two. I believe this is forty five. So it will come in the next three four five weeks. And then I'll transition it over and this next podcast and all the things that I begin to produce not to produce all the things that I begin to create out of the beauty of this union with my wife, and my family, we'll put out there. Will make them acceptable for others who may be on a similar journey. But my question for you today is this. It's very simple. It's very simple. I'm the leader of my family. I'm the leader of my wife from the leader of my children, and yet in this instance, my wife is leading me. My wife is leading me. Why because I was open. I was open to her leading house open to her leading us toward certain direction. Now, don't get me wrong. Like once that direction is clear once we knew the central coast was our destination. Once we knew that taking an RV trip around the country for a year is our destination. They it's my job as the leader to step up and make that happen all the things that need to go into that all the things that need to happen. And there are a lot. I've been mapping it out. I've been creating my lists like there's a lot of stuff that needs to happen. A lot of things that need to happen to make this trip happened guests who that's on. It's on me to lead into execute. But here my wife led me. Lead me in the direction that we needed to go. So where in your life is my question to you today where in your life? Do you need to be open to being led? Even though you're the leader. You're the leader where in your life. Have you been resisting being led because at the end of the day? If you don't know how to be led how can you ever lied? More to come. Stay tuned. And I'll be back with you soon.
In The Gate #433 - Dancing to the Cup
"This family knows what it's like to run a really good horse against an almost unbeatable foe so trainer Carlos Martin had an alternate plan for his star Philly come dancing and it seems to have worked out will Carlos Martin be able to ride that wave all the way to the Breeders Cup plus until then the Ogden Phipps in June two months until the Ballerina but then a quick turnaround to the gallant bloom leading into the Breeders Cup so how is she doing heading into the I point Michael Jordan you've heard of Michael Jordan maybe had won a single NBA title he added five more Tiger Woods was three years this is in the gate. ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast my name is Barry Abrams away from winning his first amateur championship he won three of them much less fifteen professional majors and OJ Simpson was still off that one of the people currently in my department wasn't yet born when I started here how sad is that so I can safely say that Twenty Seven Years Logistic Beloved football player turned announcer so it's been awhile for Carlos Martin but now he has a five year old mare that has the of ember in the fan choice awards at America's best racing dot net I've been employed here at Espn for just about twenty seven years long world championship after she got beat by midnight this you bury she gets looked to me like she got really light on the you know she'd run some great racist back to back and we were just the third special relativity she came running despite that starchy wants come dancing is three is a long time at one to that total twenty eight years and that's how long it took trainer Carlos Martin to go from his first grade one win trainer Carlos Martin here to win the gate to talk about it first of all you had this horse run every four weeks or so in the spring the distaff in April the Ruffy in May after the Breeders Cup and yes best racing podcast is one of the categories so you know what to do I teach army if you like this show vote for us dake stay what could be the end of the wild ride for come dancing connections will be the Breeders Cup filly and Mare sprint in early November and we're pleased to welcome course in the listen tab at ESPN DOT com and we wanna make sure you vote for us in the upcoming fan choice awards America's best racing it happens in November four this year with her only blemish if you can call it that being a second place finish to potential horse of the year midnight visa in the Ogden Phipps on Belmont kinship come to his backyard we'll sit do have the best writers in the world looking across the jocks room and saying hey who's the new guy will have all that and more on this you can follow me on twitter at Abrahams voice on facebook at Barry Abrams voice you can get us as well on youtube sound cloud tune in dot com or your pod catcher APP and in to his second one yikes is I was the top flight handicap Akwa docked with by the firm in November of nineteen ninety one zoo you know we mentioned in our open that your family has a history of running a really good horse against a potential legend for speaking about your grandfather Pancho Martin who had movie that he led the trainer standings in New York for ten straight years and entered the hall of fame in Nineteen eighty-one what did you think of his portrayal by Nestor Serrano portrayed as something of a foolish villain in the movie secretariat with Diane Lane and John Malkovich I know 'cause I was there for some of the filming of the scenes it didn't mention in the when she was second in the gopher one going mile just seemed like a good plan to just regroup she got a little light after the midnight race to wait for the Ballerina and try to win that game oh really good three year old named Sham back nineteen seventy-three but that was not the right year to have a really good three-year-old how much did that enter your mind when you decided to shorten up come down addition of in the gate the gate of optimism in dollars which wasn't too shabby back in nineteen seventy three was a great horse in a great story and you know it's like having you know going up against Michael Jordan and a championship game and scoring eighty and Jordan's going what over with Mark Holiday from blue devils been a client of mine for years and we just try to make a game plan where we figured we'd cut it back and trying to make her a champion in the sprint division just seemed like chasing midnight these you a lot of those things never happened with him screaming anybody I think he said he met Mrs Tweedy used to call her by her maiden name the day of the Derby she said hi Mr Martin can I say hi to sham and wish you luck I thought it was an interesting movie to say the least I brought him to see it and obviously he wasn't too pleased wasn't an accurate portrayal anybody that knows my grandfather knows that he was a gentleman and you know what her best distances and this race was great and up to a mile it seemed like up to a one turn would be her game really oh by the way your grandfather one which turned out great and then it's actually not ten weeks I was wrestling with that but I decided to go ahead and run the gallant bloom on September twenty second I got the zestful trainers including your Dad Jose who trained groovy I mean this is a business built on pedigrees so because of that I would think clients would have come flocking might be a tough ordeal for her we had always Kinda were skeptical about how far she wanted to go even though she had won the Royal Delta ongoing amount sixteenth earl the year before last instead of knocking heads with midnight bees again I never really think about things in the past I mean I know my grandfather was a great trainer and that was a great horse and he ran against probably one of the greatest sources that ever lived quite amusing but like I explained to him it's Disney and somebody has to be the villain and they chose you and he said to me you know he was about eighty six years old and he said is there anything I can do I said well if you still have about twenty I put she also won so now I got the two races back since the Phipps and I'm sitting ready to go five and a half weeks into the British top actually speaking of midnight but we just all got together and we just talked about cutting her back you know she had been brilliant in the distaff going seventy eight just started give us a chance to make regret one winter which has been always the goal one hundred and just coming up a little short trainer Carlos Martin joining us here on in the gate will send out come dancing in the Breeders Cup Filly Mayor Sprint you obviously come from a family of six able to get back on our feet we went down from forty horses when Mr Lizard passed away in two thousand eleven to probably about five horses so we've called our way back and you know so you what made it takes so long for you to get back to this top level of competition I'm not sure I think we had a little rough patch with Mr Laser was my main client and backwards dancing Walter's home to win the ruffy indecisively. Let's get back to come dancing this is a filly who was away from the racist just over a year she suffered a fractured pastor and after winning her only race at age two what did you think of her future after she suffered that injury art patient with me as far as they want the best for the horse and I know there's a lot of pressure to do things right now especially when you spend a lot of money for but I'm very fortunate and blessed into all out in Second Pink Sans Third Come Dancing has opened up on the field it's come dancing in front by almost five a really good team now some really great people that have passion for the sport and really take the Horse I they're kind of the owners I have now say a little bit of a throwback because they really you know I had kind of a private job with him until he passed in two thousand eleven pretty much you know so I'm not sure if that has something to do with it I know when when he passed away it was quite an awakening aqueduct and so she went to the sidelines again for a few months since then she's been pretty consistent what turned on the light bulb well I think that unless you could sue Disney but other than that just sit back and enjoy the movie so I don't think he really enjoyed the movie too much but it is what it is he had a great horse and if it wasn't for secretary inch and he took her over to t- his horse and exchange pleasantries and they wished each other luck and that was about the extent of his interaction with petty Chinnery so he thought it was about the opportunity to win it Breeders Cup would be really really sensational way to finish the year and oblique grew almost to two million earnings for this year with a relatively small stable of twenty five I tease you and a late and some of the older fillies like a really strong division not that the sprint division having to run against co Pepsi the test and some other great vilis it's not it's not going to be easy on and I kinda got comfortable in the state of being kind of a private trainer for him until he passed away about eight years ago and you know people sometimes they see you with one outfit and you know there was a lot uh-huh and naira had some kind of power outage three or four days before the race I don't know if she tied up on me or what happened but she didn't run a race obviously I couldn't find anything really wrong with her 'cause we always believed in our hearts that she had that kind of brilliant ability in that kind of talent and they just that's just the way just turned out for us the time you know we were we were always debating a trainer partying like it's nineteen ninety one eight bolt she's got a two and a half lake lead dawn the destroyer next toward the inside how people theorize you know he broke the record in defeat and the Derby and preakness and maybe could be the triple crown winner he got hurt chasing him in the Belmont and then he still was syndicated for two and a half million well everything is obviously uncertain obviously it was a disappointing day you ha- you have such a brilliant filly she went so impressively first time out and then three weeks later ah I said are you sure and Markazi said yes but fender back to the farm let's give it another few months and let's start all over again we're going to get this right eventually there's nothing wrong with her as far as the pastern but I just kind of try to do my own thing just worry about my horse and we're just trying to make the best game plan to give her a chance of success and to win a grade one and we just thought that Mitt my dad got sick in two thousand six I had the the cancer Starting two thousand and two and then I unfortunately lost him in two thousand six we always had a close working relationship with Mr Lewis across the street to roughing equine and thankfully somebody like Dr Nixon is one of the foremost surgeons in the world is there to perform the difficult task of putting back together and putting those crews in that past if I think maybe just thought that was just him and me I was beholden to him and a lot of ways you know he was like a mentor to me with my father my grandfather of course and I think that kind of turns people off I'm pretty sure offline exclamation point obviously and in what kind of scenario would you like to see unfold in the Breeders Cup to set her up best to win I mean such a disappointing effort and then once again I have to give Blue Devil and marketing James O'Reilly and the whole group their credit you know I a lot of owners would he said well if you can't find anything wrong with her you know perfect world if she breaks sharp and she can sit and stock like she didn't Valerie in an even in the gallant bloom it was definitely a maybe not as tough field you're you're and a half to bring her back but I'm so happy that he did give her an opportunity to show how great she could really be well then she ran twice finishing tenth in the Inter worked two weeks out where she got got one thirty eight to the blow out of the race six days before he was instrumental and working with her in the morning and she'd always been for every workout since we got back from the little freshening after the Phipps when we got her to Sarah Toga July eleventh and we made a game plan for those six and a half seven weeks to get ready for sources I think he's a good accomplishment so I'm happy where I'm at and it's come dancing with the League is the head for home it's come dancing in front by two Pacific ways after we had gotten the December race back up to the long left we were thinking we were just going to dominate all winter long and it was a weird dynamic we had about a week of some funny whether it got really really cold below zero and and you're just hopefully worried and so many different emotions go through your mind and just thankful that Mark Holiday so patient many people probably would retired her right then and there and I waited geico Presents Monster Counseling Dracula tell me how you're feeling no one understands to be a public trainer again and start almost from scratch about seven years ago and I'm so grateful that Mark Blue Devil and a couple of other clients like Matt Scherer on Mr and Mrs Collins only these no one will even let me into the House I knock knock but they ignore me Ya what else I look in the mirror the right trip and give her a clear shot to win and if we do that and she's got the stretch to run them down I think she'll give a great account of herself I'm really excited about it and we a good race to be fit in the Belle dame after very pressured pace and then we ended the year with a good second Marley freedom who was a presentation phillies still is for Bob Baffert who had won the Ballerina now that she's been able to settle with Castellano in the mornings more so than even the afternoons that means the thing of beauty to watch him work her I mean she doesn't even look like she's in high Gallup and she's just this she's GonNa face or maybe not even his tough feeling Ballerina but the way we've got to relax and settle Castellano heavier is a great hall of fame Jockey He's made a commitment to her the last two and a half months he's been ever been in trying to get a great five zero campaign that got I think we've done that with four wins second almost eight hundred thousand in earnings in grade one win so it'd be great to capitalize Oh effortlessly with him so I think that's GonNa play hopefully a big factor in and getting the best possible chance to win hopefully we'll have some company and they'll be some other fast vilis and we can get a year in Saratoga and she had a great victory and a two other than impressive win we took a shot back a little quick and then we regrouped got the World Delta out of the way consider myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly can you really expect others to I'm having a breakthrough it's not easy to be a vampire but with Geiko in northern California where a success didn't bring much recognition it was when he went south that he began to make a name for himself now we're not talking not a tough worse but she could have moment she was a little bit on the High Strung side at times and Castellano brilliant job just getting to know her getting her to relax and now had himself a career in one amazing day at Santa Anita what can he do for an encore we'll ask him when the in the gate podcast continues bowery man he was with me every step of the way and every week as I designed the schedule that I wanted to have a prepared for from the three frog work to the to the to the sensational five and they wish you the best of luck trainer Carlos Martin thank you so much for a few minutes here on negate extraordinary very appreciative time jockey able CD super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance welcome back to the podcast he rode for years read that you weren't looking to be a jockey what were you hoping to do well when I come Personal Carla I comes doc is able to win the gate what's it been like for you after you won those three pig races in one day earlier in the year and we were second in the gopher one with a one zero to buyer and then we kinda sat down and said there's nothing more for this year let's just try to map out and bring her back she sounded she and the old injury so I said no there's nothing wrong with from that aspect but obviously it was a picture of poor performance it was too good to be true and then just give me some more time in Ocala brought back in the middle of the actress strike has the advantage and Cleopatra Spike and able to deal one that John Henry Turf Championship that was the highlight of three that's really gonNA play well for us to these championship races sprint division usually there's pace usually don't get away with the twenty three forty seven changes they usually go forty four forty five and thing about the winningest rider ever Russell baze that all does apply to him but instead able to do who had himself a career in one amazing day at San John Henry Turf Championship not bad for a guy who says it was never his dream to ride horses the Breeders Cup will be run at his track and all of a sudden the year just got her back in the races in three or four five weeks and lifting and mark against listen we know she's got the talent we don't know exactly what went wrong but obviously let's just regroup again Anita Mongolian grown slightly inside the final mile McKinsey is all out but tonight belongs to Mongolian grow it's Mark I think they might look across at this young man from Guatemala and say hey who's the new guy well let's find out about the new guy we welcome for the first time that's Jack's room will feature the best writers from both the US and Europe John Velazquez Hobby or cast Alonzo Ryan More Frankie Dettori in fact or that now you left Guatemala a decade ago roughly to come here and wound up in Florida but I it always been brilliant like I said she had a seventy seven ninety six off the lay off and then we had a weird dynamic going into the interval we were excited about making her her that for start of the year aches wins for sedillo on the opening Saturday of the Santa Anita Fall meet he also piloted Paradise Woods to victory in this Yada as well as Cleopatra Strike in the Florida how hard was it to learn how to ride I'm you it's hard but I was watching them Beak rioters like years of riding at Golden Gate what did it feel like when you won that race well our feel like really happy thank God I I have an all my career I got lucky and have a lot of health and that's why I'm go all the way across the country to ride a golden gate I mean how hard was it just to move all the way across the country it was hard I didn't want to be a writer when you first started do you think that competitive instinct was inside of you or did you have to develop it how was it moving then from northern to southern California where that jockey colony is even tougher if I think you can write off like where you learn and that's why I got up there so you tried racing and South I'm Greg wire-to-wire also again under able to deal paradise what's now takes me away from her close to home powered is words wins does Yada eight and that's one thousand for jockey able to deal that milestone win the thousandth wind came right at the end of last year after almost ten the rent ranch over there and I come with my uncle I have own work at the horses to and I start there well it was always on me I was well I have a help us golden gate so when I come there and I got a guy like helped me too it really like spam Tom Tom Connotes talking like end of the mid Golden Gate the real I win Townsend racist but you know but it was out feel really happy we talked about how you've moved before but AH and learn how like those guys will in that's why I'm here now well given the fact that you as he's re rallied here's worries that game toward the inside but it is lazy daisy at front coming for the wire and Lazy Daisy wanted what was it like I'm hearing now well it seems like the move to Golden Gate worked out pretty well we thought was coming right back and be thoughtful and able to deal have retaken hi like I was looking like me here torture like action believe obviously you have to have good horses to win these races but but speaking of that there's Mongolian groom I mean obviously this was a long shot to win the awesome again how amazing was it to win that race were you able to put that aside though when you go out on the track is it hard not to look around and say oh my gosh I'm Churchill downs it was really -fornia he also traveled to Churchill downs last month and scored a great to win Lazy Daisy Right back at it at the outside now the final fix teeth Lazy Nice Job to clean install they with the horses I like the job I want to do
All Eyes On Sweden!
"One of the things that I think is frustrating. A lot of people is Sweden. What is it Sweden? Why is Sweden's team to have the same approximate death rate yet? They're not locked down. There are stories right. Some people saying Sweden's partying there in bars. It's outrageous they're having a great time. This is just like a cold other. They know there's tons of people dying in Sweden. You're just not being told well. We decided to send out a couple of people into the population to bring a camera and give us the sense of. What's going on in Sweden take this probably the most notorious street of Stockholm? This is where all the shops are usually so packed. You have to kind of like we've your way through. This is not normal but this is also not quarantine either. This is no lockdown. Sure I'm an American living here in Stockholm outside the city and Victor. You're on the other side of the city. I mean we are the only country in the only country right now. That is not in lockdown. Not even partial lockdown. You know people are really told us to if you have any symptoms stay but great schools are still open restaurants. They're trying to survive. Your people are about in errands. The people that can work from home. They do work from home now. Most most people. I think the nature of Swedes. We're kind of GOODA distancing because we're not really talking people hadn't kissing so now I'm the crazy. American here is embracing and hugging and talking to everybody and say hi so this is my first time out hence my not a months. We are so high city my mother but my daughter's school is open so for my daughter. It's really tough. That are in our own kind of self isolation teenager missing or friends. Promise cancelled our birthdays in three weeks and sixteen. That is typically. This will be fully packed during lunch. fully-packed an use a queue waiting for able here staff. Really quiet there. I think for most part people. You're just feel like okay. Listen we're all going to get this and then we will be search. That was mrs stuff that was going out like in the beginning of the experts. Said like this everybody's GonNa have this For TEENAGERS OR PEOPLE UNDER LIFE Party. It's just going be like fever morning. Typical flu you get over it. There has been a lot of criticism of Sweden. But it's more on social media. Nobody's coming out in public and criticizing anything here. The Swedes really did get into a bit of a Hissy. Because trump mentioned Sweden the talk about Sweden Sweden is suffering very gravely. You know that right. Sweden did that the heard. I know we don't show his opinion. Of course we're suffering. Everybody in the world is suffering right now in different ways but Swedish health care which I guess it's too. It's very difficult. Understand his taking care of this in a very very good manner. Swedish healthcare is one with the best in the world. People are also doing her best here to keep cool not to get into fear and media here is not doing that. They're not panicking asking. You're not even when friends. I you know giving advice to to syncing. Hey stock up. Just in case for my best friend said no no. But that's forty and I think one thing about Swedes. Those they really listen to their government and when they are told. Okay just social distance if you have any Symptoms at all. Just stay home and people are respecting that if it blows up in in our in our faces here we're gonNA find out soon enough. This approach main not work anywhere else besides Scandinavia. You know we're trying to make the best of the and in that time we're finding a lot of you know about ourselves and our families and also taking a look at the culture and be hopeful for the future very sensible does it. I I WANNA thank Neena and victory for going out and shooting that beautiful video video for us and giving us a sense at least from their perspective of what's taking place in Sweden you know when we were first talking to needed Nina. You know she said you know Swedes or actually very natural. Add social distancing is sort of how we live cheever mentioned that in Sweden they have more one person homes occupancies than any other country in the world so maybe those things lean towards why this is very effective but at one point out that Nina said this was the first time coming out of the thirty days you see where the mass but it is important to note that she has a mother at home. That's over the age of ninety years old so she has been probably you know taking more concern and more care because of that so i WanNa thank both of them for going out. I also wanted to get a perspective though of from another person in Sweden that really sits in that demographic that older than sixty five years old that we're hearing is at risk around the country. So hopefully we can pull this off. I want to bring in this Morris Perry Morris. Can you hear me okay? Moore's first of all. Just how old are you if you don't mind telling me Be Tuning. Seventy two in September seventy two and so. Obviously you've seen the news right. I mean there is if there is a risk. It's in that age group over sixty five years old. What is your perspective? Then you know. There's been a lot of criticism of house we'd has been handling this. D- You feel that this approach by your leadership is putting people like you at risk. I. I've been pulling wasn't as a family as you may or may not know all over the world the US and Europe in Israel everywhere. So and I've been looking at the way each country's been handling it now. I know there are a lot of people were saying. Well Sweden does too lenient and While I won't say here but in Europe and in the US that you guys having any lockdown at all in fact there is no lockdown. It's just a lot of recommendations and of course people at my age. They say anyone over seventy stay home social systems at don't meet people but they also realize that people have to get move around as I think you just pointed out yes. Sweden is one of these countries where people don't hug each other all the time that it's not like Italy people face to face. I work with communication. I know that the distance between people in Sweden is definitely greater than you. Take the USO or Italy so this is a very natural thing here but Mike personal experiences give people freedom of movement than a you know and just have intelligence and common sense to understand okay. Something is going to happen if you don't listen does enough Was it the examples around the world right showing that countries or towns cities new Rome wherever it may be at Stockholm where you have people very close together. That's when you're GONNA get infections the rest of the country. We live in the suburbs. Just not stop them. And it's it's open earlier so you don't need to be locked in. I go out of my car. I don't play also go down the road. My wife who's younger than Migos doesn't shopping. So I avoid the supermarkets and that sort of thing but but often that I don't feel restricted at all but I do not go out and hug people now. Everybody takes it seriously. They wash their hands A couple of examples as well because My daughter she's in a university town a couple of hundred miles yet. She thought she had the virus and she'd gone into isolated a self four five weeks now and then. She kept saying why still have headaches. I still had to throw to. She context doctors who she finally gets through. And they say you have a pollen allergy. So she's been isolating for five weeks for really nothing. My wife myself came back from the Alps in the end of January and Tina by felt she had the virus. But we don't know exactly as you're saying is competent country on lockdown and destroy economies. And hope that you know you have it. You don't have it when one percent uh getting infected. I can give you a couple of weeks today because I mean please at the very moment today. Twelve thousand people registered infected in Sweden. Now we know there's a big black number out there because how many have actually had don't know about it by having twelve thousand. Yeah off the twelve thousand. Nine hundred thirty. Three people have died. On behalf of those are actually in homes with the has been neglect. There's no discussion about that in Sweden. They're really looking at this closely us. Oh and the other half while cities and in an who's GonNa get infected is looking at the curves today and it's from babies to people in the nineties Once infected people my age. There are nine thousand nine hundred people from the age of fifty to fifty nine two thousand. So why are we? Lucked OUT RIGHT RIGHT. An and then suddenly yesterday the young guy who has a young guy fifty one years old a very well known. Tv AND RADIO PERSONALITY PASTA. He went three weeks ago. He went hospital. Coffin assaults Rodney Jesse. James died. So there's no telling who but you can't put a country on lockdown the economy's suffering all of the world in we can be getting subsidies in the US two trillion dollars and in Europe. It's trillions of dollars whether it's coming from I don't even know but But and it's all just a rescue rescue jobs are going. Businesses are going Mike Consulting business died instantly. Because you know people just come to employ because it only companies are international companies. Right and this. The problem is all going to be. How many debts register from from the virus at the end of the day? We're going to have how many people died because of starvation. How many people died because of loneliness suicide depressions? That's what the numbers are going to hit. And that's where I feel. Sweden have found a balance or does nobody has the formula. As you're saying we can carry on and on and on and wait till one day we have the actual figures and say who was right. Who was wrong. Point the fingers in this direction that's direction but in the meantime you've got a gallon living. I think that's really so I can carry on talking about this as you know absolutely well. It's perfectly stated. I appreciate your time. It's getting very late there Morris. That was a really great breakdown of Sensibility. Something that we've been attempting to be a part of here on the high wire through all of this. I think that you know we can understand how scientists may get it right. They may get it. Wrong is certainly seem very dangerous upfront but it is interesting this tweet and just decided to really hang in there and really there's a lot of scientists breaking ranks now all over the world and supporting what. Sweden has decided to do. My last question to you you said potentially your wife may have it. You don't know. Are you concerned that if you get it at seventy years old that it could be fatal for you? What is your personal feeling? I keep myself pretty healthy nephew. You know I'm a believe in a fatalist what what happens happens. But I'm looking at sort of go around and put my head in the second say because Brecon follow my head anyway so I feel that stay healthy. Just be doable. And and just ride this out so tomorrow. I'm GONNA go play. Some goes great advice. Enjoy Golf. I'll be dreaming about it. I'll vicariously live through that in you because we can't get on a golf course here in America right now more. Thank you for your time. That was beautiful and really great words. Right stay healthy stay. Fit Try and stay in shape you know. Get out get fresh air amazing that those are some of the things that are being made illegal around this country if you like that clip and be sure to check out our live broadcasts highwire every Thursday morning at eleven. Am Pacific Time. You can watch it on facebook youtube. I tunes and twitter. We'll see you there.
Cases are popping in other states. Are we losing control?
"This is an ABC podcast. Hello. This is corona cast a podcast. virus I'm. Health reported taken tyler on physician and journalist daughter Norman Swan it's Friday the third of July and Norman. I mean Australia. We thought we were doing aura and nutcases it just seeming to be popping up everywhere this some back in the MT which had been virus free for a while. There's some New South Wales. Are we losing control of this thing again? No, I, don't think so. I think Melbourne is running a risk of losing control there because you've got more and more cases each day or more run about the same number, but let's just deal with Victoria for a moment, so Victoria's got seventy odd cases a day. A lot of that will be from testing. Some of those would never have been found because they're probably asymmetric or very few symptoms, so they're finding cases, my understanding is that the positive rate in other words, the ratio of testing to positives is still very low, so in other words very few positives relative to the number of cases now that's. A sign that they're picking up most of the virus in the community. If you started to get five six, seven, eight, nine ten percent positive in the cases, that's one sign that they're missing cases out there in the community with just one thing to look for and ask about is what's their positive rate in terms of cases, and if it's. Under one percent, they're probably picking up most of the virus. That's there in the community key question is. Is it spreading to other suburbs? So in other words is the ring-fencing working? If it starts to spread to other suburbs, they'd be worried about what you've seen in new. South Wales. Only seen reports on it is that somebody came in from quarantine got to New South Wales thought there were negative turned out to be positive in a supermarket and a similar kind of story in the Northern Territory so these are people where they caught the virus looks as if they caught the virus overseas quarantined in Melbourne and then came out of quarantine and have taken the virus to other states. The supermarket contact is a bit of a worry in new, south Wales, but no, they're onto that. We're not losing control. That's what happens well. The we're an. People are still coming in from overseas with the virus, and hopefully quarantine controls that, but clearly there's been a bit of a problem Corentin in Victoria now. The chief health officer told me last week came when I recorded an interview Monday that they had no cases turning up after quarantine in other words apart from these security guards who took the infection away with them and spread them into their community, nobody he had actually left quarantine and find out to have had the virus. Well, these are two cases where in fact they have with a visa. People who refuse the final test are not before they left I. I don't know, but it also shows that fourteen days isn't a guarantee that you pick up everybody. What is it with Victoria? Is it just bad luck that these quarantine cases of also come from there with has been an outbreak or do they need to be doing more. It's hard to do. I'm not quite sure just exactly what's going on in some states in terms of how much tasting they're doing in quarantine, corentin arrangements are slightly different in other states where they've got contractors. They've got police and others monitoring the quarantine or managing the quarantine situation in a much more probably a much more disciplined way. I, mean certainly if security guards being intimate as it's being alleged with some of the people in quarantine. The wasn't much quarantine going on in Victoria, but that may not be the issue here. The the issue here may simply be that they've got out of quarantine and the testing regime has not been as good as it should have been in quarantine and they've gone elsewhere, so there's a problem there and hopefully the judicial mario sort that out, but to cases going out does. Does Not mean we're losing control, and if the you know the supermarket, one is awarded New South Wales, but they're onto it, so we were talking yesterday about Victoria again and people refusing to get tested in Victoria and we asked. Allison is to tell us why people which is not to get tested. If they knew you might remember. That Victoria's Premier Daniel Andrews has said earlier this week that as part of this testing bleats more than nine hundred people had refused tests. And here's some of the responses. And some of them were actually not what I expected, so sally saying not everyone refusing to have the test in Melbourne hotspot suburbs is paranoid on naughty. Some are from low socioeconomic status, and or are casual workers. Two days waiting for the result without work can seriously impact on their ability to support themselves and family. They can't. They can't risk the time not being able to work. This is the issue where if you have a test, you've got to self isolate until you are the result and another one. That really got me. Leads was talking about a very intelligent educated multi-lingual lady, who they know who thinks the viruses hoax and part of a government conspiracy and Liz says that I think that the test should carry sufficient idea and written sheets in community languages, just so that they can be really clear and provide enough information to two shy people that they're actually legit. The will people without ideas and. There are people who refuse immunization for their children, and they've got ideas of how the immune system works. There's always going to be ideas on the fringe, and you've got to be able to cope with that if it's only one or two people on the fringe, then that's okay, but if it's large numbers than story, and then one more from Andrea that that. That sort of hit me in the fields. She's reluctant to get tested if she has no symptoms. especially with nasal swab, she's had cancer and over the past two years. She's had so many painful medical tests. She's just fed up with being prodded and poked, and she's taken the time to be diligent with oscillating kind of feels like she shouldn't have to be tested because. because. She's done what she needs to do by isolating herself. We'll hopefully the saliva test would be an answer for Andrea where you don't have to have something poked into. You can just put your saliva in a in a container in this live over you know, and that's the way it's tests will be done in. It's not as traumatic. You can understand why people are. Are Traumatized by tests, but that's the idea in the saliva test is that it's it's harmless doesn't caused you any inconvenience absolutely, and so now some questions Adams, asking. Why are we making such a big deal about the infections? When clearly the hospital right is almost non-existent, are we gonNA start counting. How many people contract the flu next where we already do we do we? The people who contract the flu. We report on the flu. Seasonal flu has a significant mortality rate, and not as much covered nineteen. And the reason here is simply that when you've got seventy cases, and it's mostly in young people. You don't see a big problem in terms of the hospital system. But, if you've got an are this reproduction ratio of two, which is that? In the hot spots, one person with the fictions passing it onto to others. That's a doubling rate, so those two are passing it onto another two so day one you've got one day to. You've got to day three. You got four you do. The maths comes a very large number very quickly, and then, when it becomes a very large number, say three four five weeks later. That's when you see the effect on the hospital system. That's when you see large numbers of older people getting it and getting seriously ill and has also when you start to. To see middle, aged and slightly younger people, getting it and become quite sick to and just don't forget that in parts of Italy when they were really under stress, the cutoff for ventilation was aged forty. So that's have massive numbers. That's what we're talking about here. Stopping it becoming massive numbers, and if you don't control it at the beginning, the virus wins, so it seems doesn't seem sensible. Why are we doing it when it's only seventy cases and you see his one hundred thousand, going towards one hundred thousand cases in a day in the United States. It's because we don't want to get to that point, and you've got to control it so many cases a day. If you WANNA stop the massive numbers and massive numbers means large numbers in the hospital say no minutes Friday and you know what that means. Is Quick. Far Friday click. Five Friday your time stop. Now I work as a testing, people tested for themselves. That's a really good question. Don't actually know the answer to it, but I mentioned that they are on a regular basis. DNA be stored after taking the test, not your DNA. It's the irony of the virus, and if you're positive for the virus that will be stored so so that genomic testing can be done, but There's no keeping of your DNA in the system in the UK, there was a trial of tests that takes twenty minutes with no lab testing required I do not have that trial win. These rapid results tests have been checkered, and it's not absolutely clear how reliable they are and It's why we haven't. Haven't moved towards more rapid testing because it's just some of those tastes are just not had the proper validation yet. And certainly the antibody tests have been done. There's a lot of controversy about them, and just how accurate they are okay. Here's one for you. If a person goes for a test, but prior to testing that person used an alcohol based mouthwash. Could they show up as a false negative, and could people use this to dodge testing? I suspect not because the virus will be so first of all alcohol. What mouthwash does not get rid of the virus There's too much else going on doesn't get all parts of your spiritual trying to convene your news so unless you're. Taking them wash shop your news at some lightly to do that, but I don't think have a significant effect on the virus. If that's what you're trying to do. The Breathalyzer trying to get right into the Breathalyzer for alcohol I. Don't think it gets your own that particularly. If you do an Easel, enjoy swap. Immediate. Sports immediately before you have a saliva test. Maybe it could have an effect, but probably not otherwise. How will I know if I'm a close contact of a positive case? Will someone calls me? What do I do? If someone I know test positive with somebody you know test positive. You should contact the the coronavirus hotline in your state You certainly need to be tested and somebody who test your needs to know that you're a contact of another person so that you can be contacted there. If you're known to be a close contact, they will contact you. The contractors will contact you Don Norman. Do you need a second to Maputo brow after that quickfire out? Breath but you know not so out of breath account. Go for some research. But I think we've got anytime for research well, that's all from us. Correct cost is this week? Friend about us if you like us, don't forget to leave us a review on apple podcast if you can. If you WANNA leave a question or comment, Goto ABC dot net dot US slash corona virus. Go to your questions and fill in the form, and mentioned corona cast, and we'll see you on. We'll see an.
88: It's Off To Work We Go?
"Hey this is Barbara Corcoran. You're now to didn't business unusual and everything you ever learned about business. Throw it out the window. I'm going to tell you the real deal listening. Today, I'm going to answer all your burning questions about work life starting a company getting on track and much much more. Be Sure to call in to the business unusual hotline with your question at eight Barbara, that's eight eight B.. A. R. Beat a ART A. But I. Is. I've been thinking about something most of today. I just wanted to share with you because it might be helpful in one regard or another. I was realizing that in stressful times. I tend to run to my worst self Other people felt the same way. I went to my worst version myself, you know we all have different versions of who we are and a lot of us have worked on ourselves. I know certainly I have. But the worst self for me is the most vulnerable self where have self-doubt under what I'm doing? Wonders ever be the same have I done. This have I done that. It's a bad place to go. It's like going out a rabbit hole for me again. And I think the reason I tend to do. It is because. I don't have all my usual habits around me that keep me on the straight narrow a system, a routine timelines responsibilities. And those are the things that Kinda. Keep me on my course more so than I ever really realize until this pandemic happened. And I also find for me. The silence is deafening. It bugs me a heck of a lot. It makes me feel so sad so sad to hear everything so quiet. And not to have the comfort of my good friends around me. Close physically is zoom, but. Doesn't do it for me not to have them close not to be laughing. We drinking with on eating with them. Even my in laws ones not that crazy back. Their routine you know gives me something to complain about you know all that stuff makes me feel really really vulnerable so anyway. There aren't a couple of things that I've been doing that have helped. As been perfect by any stretch the imagination, but has certainly helped again. I've started recently changing my tape. The minute I go. There I changed my teeth I'm not gonNA go there with that self doubt on I'm changing the tape to something more positive and those positive thing changing to is more business, honestly I. Keep Myself Busy so I don't have the time to go there. I make myself stringent daily routine. Some cut my day into thirds. Cleaning the house working out only fifteen minutes, but nonetheless working out every day, Clean House every morning, first thing, and then hitting my workload, and then spending the time with my family three Chuck's somehow that's been helpful to me chapters in my day. You know a structure. So those are the things I'm focusing on, and that's what's helping me is making me feel a little bit more like my best self versus my were self which was starting to. Go down that whole kind of get to a more of not doing that anymore. So I thought it might be helpful, just said I want share it, thanks. My name is homing. I'm in New Jersey small, so and coffee shop. And I'm trying to figure out how I'm supposed to get employees that work is. They're making more on unemployment. Hey Helene I. Hear you loud and clear, and you're not alone in that boat that people are having a hard time getting their employees back, and simply because five out of six people are making more with a six hundred dollars extra in unemployment than they were ever making their old job. So you have a challenge here I would suggest that you impress your employees with the fact that the six hundred dollars in Ghana last forever next I would let them know that the job is at stake. You sound like a nice person and I. I think even though you could be gracious to your employees and thankful. You've got to also be the parent here and draw the line. Hey, I can work with you through next week the week after, but I need your help. Let me know now if you're gonNA, be planning on coming back because I need to replace you if you aren't now, here's the good news is lots of people want a job out there? Lots of people so you have a very good hiring environment right now and should get yourself visit. Have those people replace? Let's take a short break to talk about a company I love. Every business is looking at drive efficiencies and improve their bottom line. One business critical piece of software I love is pay com with pay, com single database HR payroll solution you eliminate unnecessary waste. Improve Your Business Processes, and you can track real time savings on your investment now. That's a win win, so go to pay COM DOT COM to schedule a demo today. Now, let's get back to the show. I. Just want you to know that I love you. My name is Marie from Dallas Texas. My question is cannot company for us to go back to work if you doing the same job from home, and you're doing great, and can they force you to go back to the office to work? Marine knowing could force anyone to go to work. We're all free people. We could decide whether we want to go in or not. The question is really if you don't WanNa, go into work, and your boss wants to go into work. Ken. They tell you you're not wanted anymore and the answer that is definitely. It's not your charge to decide how you want to do your job because you're not in charge. It's really the person that employs you decide that. In your state of Texas, nonessential workers already back at work, essential workers have been back a long time, so it's really not your call now. If you have found that, you like to work at home, there are many businesses that are open. To people working at home now, that were never open to that before. So if that's the culture that you seek out, and that you desire and is not offered by current employer, think find a job there, but no in short. You're not allowed to decide. If you want to go back to working out. When you boss tells you, she or he would like to back. Hey there. My name is Jimmy and I'm calling from Virginia I. Am a college student finishing up my last semester at James Madison and doing all my day. I am particularly worried coming out of school and a couple of months about the job market. A lot of my friends graduated positively about Albert. Companies do the job hiring freezes. They're accepting to employee employees. They're really bonuses Every, go that. I just don't know. What do they out of school? By knowledge, our best pie that advice you give. Finding a job at this time. Get person has become. So. You're not scared, skew. So. Jimmy, let me give you an employer's view of the job market right now. Everyone right now is feeling that there's not enough jobs around and the kids that are coming out of college are in the worst graduating class of history there confronting a brick wall, but I'm GONNA. Tell You I. AM friends with so many people who own small middle sized and large businesses, and I can tell you a little dirty secret right now, which is that many of the employees that were mediocre going into the pandemic have been let go and will not be hired back. Yet the businesses will resume and businesses will continue to grow, so they really will be a tremendous job market and a lot of spots few to fill. Because that's way it's been. A lot of people have been eliminated and are not probably going to be hired back. Companies are going to be looking for new faces and fresh new talent and people with a can do attitude. So that brings me to can do attitude right, ignore what you're hearing. You'RE GONNA go crazy hearing. About how bad things are you going to outside yourself? Most of what happens in life when it comes to success happens in your own head. You're your own worst enemy. Earl, best cheerleader! What I hear in EU is falling for everybody else's opinion so that you are become your worst cheerleader. No, get your head on straight. Assume there are a lot of jobs out there because there are Angola attack it check. Check every job board, and if you think that people aren't hiring, because I can't interview in person, that's mistaken again. I hired someone last week because I interviewed many many applicants online, and I hired without physically meeting them. Many companies are doing that. Don't let that be a body block for you either. Come on, get your head on straight. You sound very capable. You sound like you should be having a job this month and I. I think it's there for you to get provided. Get all that monkey business out of your head. Come on, get rid of it gets on. High is shattered. I spoke to Barbara about four five weeks ago. About how I'm going to transition my business in the whole covid nineteen pandemic started I want to obey Barbara and let her know that I. Choose to take my business into something that I. Think is so amazing because this was. Was My original former business about doing all things virtual, and now I've transitioned the business created a new website and getting more feedback and I'm getting a lot more people like visiting the website and reaching out to talk to us to see how we can help them with their business, and I'm excited, and I just wanted to share that with Barbara and I'm really really excited about where things are going in the future copy by. Chaff your sweetheart to really call me and tell me that was helpful. You Know I. Live for those compliments Hustles so nice to hear back from you. I know that you've gotten feedback from customers, you aggressive reaching out phenomenal very different lady than I was speaking with many many weeks back and I know that they have probably given you very good feedback now. I just want to suggest you that it's time to give them a menu of. Of Services. You can actually offer right now. The exact they could move forward with so you can actually get the buildings and get the money coming into your firm, so don't leave it just with the research. Turn it all into an action. Step right now of offering them a specific list of services that you could deliver right now. A me posted I'm expecting phenomenal things from you because she was such a quick learner to turn things around. And that's all we have time for today. If you have a question, a voicemail in the business unusual hotline, eight, eight eight Barbara. That's eight eight eight. Be Aarp B.. R., A., you can also tweet it to me at Barbara. 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Sit Land Buildings in the area had been subdivided to create low income single occupancy flaps essentially a room with a kitchen where the bathroom was often shared these lowest of the low cost accommodations attracted a transient community to the area and police knew it as a place of pimps prostitutes and drug dealers. Investigators knew that their suspect would likely have been a previous tenant but if they were to have any hope of apprehending the killer I they would need to identify their victim which would prove a difficult task. Police cold in a pathologist who swiftly confirmed that this was not a recent burial the skeleton was complete but the bones were clean of flesh and there were no visible signs of trauma. All that remained on the bones. Were a few strands of fair hair. The only information that the pathologists could glean from the skeleton was that the remains were that a Caucasian female aged between fifteen and twenty years. Old a dentist who subsequently examined the teeth and jaw confirmed that the girl was in fact just fifteen years old using entomology the presence of insect eggs specifically blue fly pupae around the site where the carpet was discovered indicated that the body had not been buried immediately after death. The girl's body had initially been kept an exposed location and was buried a few days later. Perhaps the killer had decided to bury her. When the decomposition began to attract flies based on the advanced state of decomposition the body appeared to have been buried for possibly eight to ten years. But who was she? The discovery of the remains of a pair of jeans and a Bra on Earth from the site provided a new lead so into the BRA was a label Mrs Knickers a small company that had operated in England in the early nineteen eighties. Police tracked down the owner of the company who confirmed that the labels found inside the victim's brawl were only in use for a few years between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty-three police. Were then able to confirm that. No other item of clothing found at the site was manufactured before January of one thousand nine hundred eighty one between this and the approximate time of death. Given by the entomologist. The police narrowed down the year. The girl was murdered. Two between nineteen eighty one thousand nine hundred eighty four five weeks passed and police had exhausted all of the evidence including tracing the carpet to shop on Clifton Street but they were still no closer to identifying. The girl sue police decided to try something that no one had ever done before they called. Richard Neave at the University of Manchester. Who was pioneering a new technique in facial reconstruction? The technique had not been used in a criminal investigation before but with nothing else to go on. Police decided that they had nothing to lose in the first week of January nineteen ninety. The skull was delivered to Richard Neave and he got to work using a process. That even he described as a mixture of scientific knowledge and guesswork. The school was brought by police to the studio. That score was then taken down to the dissection room. It would be cleaned and sanitized. I would make a cast of the skull. Mounted the cast fitted is basic muscle structure over the skull. And then the skin over the top so the face sort of grew from below outward of its own accord. The process would usually take three weeks but south. Wales police gave Nieve just five days to complete his work on January Seventh Nineteen Ninety police released images of the reconstruction to the press two days later. Two former social workers contacted the police one called from Yorkshire and the other from Cardiff booth gave the same name. They recognize the facial reconstruction as a missing girl named Karen Price. Karen prices parents both confirmed the neither of them had seen or heard from their daughter for a decade but they agreed that the reconstruction looked quite like Karen. When Karen's parents provided police with graphs? They were stunned but the only way to confirm that the girl in the carpet was indeed. Karen price would be a DNA test in nineteen ninety. Dna testing had only been around for four years and extracting DNA from bone had never been attempted before as with the facial reconstruction police decided that they nothing to lose and they were right through the use of multiple DNA samples extracted from the FEMUR. Police were able to confirm that the DNA was a match. It was Karen Price Police then set about discovering everything that they could learn about her lifestyle. Her friends and associates and her movements Karen had had a troubled childhood at the age of ten. She was taken into local authority care. Karen often ran away as many children did so when the fifteen year old disappeared from Council Assessment Center in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. It didn't cause much concern at that time. She was nearly sixteen years old illegal adult in the UK. So when Karen never returned. No one was looking for her. Karen price was last seen on July. Second Nineteen eighty-one and had been living. It turned out just a quarter mile away from bank. -ment where her body was discovered on the evening of February fifteenth. The BBC television series crimewatch included a piece on the Karen Price Murder Investigation secaucus up detective Chief Superintendent Williams released her photo to the press and appealed to the public that anyone who may have seen Karen or associated with her contact the authorities. Several witnesses came forward and confirmed that they had seen Karen. Visiting the flap of a man named Alan Charlton at twenty nine fits embankment between June of Nineteen eighty-one in February of nineteen eighty. Two Charlton was the tenant of the basement flat which had direct access to the garden. Karen's body was found within just a few feet of what was then his back door. Allen Charlton was now thirty and working as a bouncer at a pub where on February twenty third nineteen ninety. He was arrested on suspicion of murder with this is described Alan Charlton as exploitive and vindictive. A man who preyed upon weak and vulnerable people people like Karen Price. One of the witnesses who came forward was twenty four year old Idris Ali. Ali told police than Nineteen eighty-one he had acted as a pimp in central square where he would procure. Young Girls Allen Charlton's parties at his basement flat. One of those girls was Karen Price and he had been in Trenton Slat when she was killed according to Ali just two months after Karen ran away from the children's home. Charlton told Karen that he wanted to take lewd photographs of her but Karen refused. Charlton flew into a rage. He reaped Karen and strangled her to death then. He asked me to help him wrap her body in the carpet. He didn't later Charlton buried her. Audie Idris Lee was promptly arrested for his involvement in Karen. Prices murder at the heart of the case against Charlton and Ali was the witness. Testimony of a young woman identified in court records. Only as di. Di testified that she was thirteen years old at the time that she knew Karen they had been in the same children's home but D- Didn't know Karen in the Children's home. They met outside a cafe in Cardiff at that time. D. lived a life of glue-sniffing Exploitation Ali. Then just a teenager himself was her pimp and took half the money that deer earned de testified that she had had sex with Charlton at his flat and gave half of the money. He paid her to Ali a week later. She met Charlton for sex again when she refused to behave in the way he wanted. He cut her leg with a penknife. Charlton wanted to replace Ali as her pimp. A few days after this incident after glue-sniffing session together at Charlton's Flat Charlton asked Deon Karen to get on the bed. Naked to pose for Photos de refused and Charlton slapped her in the face. Karen intervened De Watch. This Charlton turned punched and slapped Karen until she fell. Ali attempted to pull him off of Karen. What he continued to hit her too scared to watch. D. closed her eyes and when she reopened them. Blood was coming from Karen's mouth and she wouldn't respond Charlton then toll de that. Karen was debt. He put Karen's body on the bed. Went out and returned with what looked like white curtain wire. He turned Karen over tied her hands and put a carrier bag over her head. He then removed her pants and had sex with her. He told that Lee to do the same. Lee Did but D- said he looked like he wanted to be sick as decried in the corner. The pair wrapped Karen's body in a rug and took her outside when they returned. Charlton warned de that. She would quote die the same way if she ever told anyone. What happened Lee then urged D to say nothing de believed that he was as scared as she was? Alan Charlton Interest Lee were both found guilty of the murder of Karyn price. Charlton was sentenced to life in prison. Ali who was just sixteen at the time with the murder was detained at Her Majesty's pleasure in Nineteen Ninety four both Charlton and all we appealed against their convictions. Charlton's appeal was swiftly dismissed Ali's conviction was reduced from murder to manslaughter. Ali was advised that if he pleaded guilty he would be immediately released on December Twenty First Nineteen Ninety. Four Ali stated that the testimony given by the during the trial was true but really wasn't free long within two years he was arrested again onto offenses wounding and sent back to Cardiff prison. In two thousand. Ten Ali's name was in the news again when police appealed for information on his whereabouts after he disappeared from the bail hostel. The public were warned not to approach Ali as he had previous convictions for manslaughter. Robbery football violence and inciting a brutal cellblock riot. He was found five days later in Ely Cardiff in two thousand fourteen. The Criminal Cases Review Commission which investigates potential miscarriages of Justice sent both Charlton and all these cases to the Appeal Court in London in Twenty sixteen their cases were reviewed following concerns by the CRC about the conduct of some officers in south Wales police in the late eighties and early nineties following Lynette white case when it was discovered that the three men who had been convicted for her murder were innocent and allegations of police. Corruption Lawyers for Ali and Charlton argued that some of the officers involved in the investigation had been involved in the net white case. They claimed that vulnerable witnesses such as D. had been pressured by police. Ali's lawyer said that Ali had significant intellectual impairment which contributed to him making things up and described him as a Pichu wire. Ali claimed that he had only admitted his involvement and caring staff to get out of jail. Their convictions were upheld. The only way in which an appeal could succeed is if we were to find that the prosecution offended the courts sense of justice and propriety to the extent that it amounted in an abuse of process lady Justice Hallett said as we have indicated. We do not. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime. Download the murder minute APP or follow us on Instagram at murderer.
"Home Uh for the Game Saints One. Two slain plane remains the best kept secrecy. It went platinum A. What's the word heavy? A heavy lies the crown of the greatest gatorade color in the game demands on fire. I don't appreciate that. The picks state tracker only just tweeted out like chiefs. Mine is one and a half like we all know at that one. The people are really stirring about. Is that that. GATOR was couldn't be more orange also like the litter the first bit I said I was like Mahomes is going to pass on respite. Test Plus Three seventy five no credit there. It's it's fine accepted penalty. I got that. What do we talked about Mahomes being like really good long shot. For first touchdown one of our like pick but we we suss that one out Ah Damian Williams Damien Williams is a monster. That's just what he does all undrafted run invented. uh-huh some a watch told someone back in two thousand thirteen that scouting was easy. A challenged me to just like randomly watch games and just pick players that I would. I would draft and Kyle Fuller stood out to me I had S- divide digs. I'm here Joey Bosa. I didn't know he was highly recruited player. I just saw months. I was like as good turns out. That was a good call. Doesn't sometimes you just now. I'd Sammie coates on here. Did Not work out. I'm not only here to guide nailed it. SUNLIT name Ladainian Washington. I don't know how someone with the name Ladainian. Washington didn't pan out. It wasn't real bad uh-huh Eric Braun. Obviously because was thirteen and I had to Williams on him and the dolphins disagreed the chiefs did not do it. Doesn't everybody do this a multiple times. Hem Hutton Down Moster Just give him a big hug. After the game I thought that was cool. I liked it I was. You would like to go back to surfin ditch. It was I just I just wanted to keep running because your defense can stop me today. I just wanted to show you guys how easy it is to run. That's why another one take me along. Also I think my news not only will not draft running backs but the running backs I'm going to sign. You have to be like a major school. The Third Stringer Oklahoma. USC I'm man. You got there for reason. You don't have the trade on your tires a Malden. Now David Williams is the best way to back in the league through and that shy marcus chunks of strong word the the list of players though the highest rushing totals in the last thirteen super bowl winners ten some along those yeah it was eleven That going back to your twenty nineteen the Saint Super Bowl that only hardened My stance that Sony was was the great pig. He was like the cheapest guy up. No no James Stark was making less than the Garrett blends the worst agent of all time. Direct yeah you you WANNA ball you call up blount as our You WanNa pay nothing. You could all his agent you say. I don't know why anyone wants guy. He punched the man to people. Forget the other church for people who hadn't seen a super bowl winners leading rusher in their salaries since two thousand nine again the Saints Super Bowl and nobody the highest paid person on here made two point five million dollars base salary. and that was Percy Harbin. A Wide Wide Receiver second-highest ray rice two million. Is that the lead Barry Ahmad Bradshaw Pierre Thomas James Dark Gear Blunt on three times. Sure as it never made more than nine hundred K's season C. J. Anderson and sunny daimiel dreams to be fair. I pretty sure the steelers gave him like a monumental bag but like more than that and then they just released of Anita's game right back New England for like five dollars an hour against y. You know direct that's like somebody added combined it's like it's less than what by Zeke girly. He's making half a season. This chiefs team is the activity on the Super Bowl Champs and raise the memory every Jump to mind with like better receiving corps tied at included obviously than this transit transit. Is I look at this list. Like what grow like when Grog was healthy. That patriots seahawks like that Patriots. One but even that doesn't have like walk INS Walk Ins was like the eighth pick like that on the twenty ten Fight they had a good court remember like it came Jones Jordy Nelson somebody else. That has not like all the chiefs again. Twenty two chance that not pay running back chance it was a good game. I put out the the comeback sheriffs that we make When comebacks happen you understand the Right yeah I like one of the first replies like it it was only ten points. You have a lot the the second largest in in fourth quarter history of the Super Bowl like that's a substantial about the only had the second best as bad luck he was over first and second unfortunate the second his team team stop scoring points and superbos who's been outscored fifty two nothing amazing genes play call though on the domain. WE'VE GOT A. We'll talk more about the game on the full episode recording tonight but yeah it wasn't a great I don't just abandons the run he just completely abandons it got him that he just abandoned what's he goes aggressive at the wrong time conservative at the wrong to right and I don't know Anybody had this the Hulu Watch mahomes. Because I didn't catch it the first time I think city one for who he would thank. I didn't even really for like normally that during the Disney question in the Nagoya right into the Agata. Thank God now. That potato brands are just kept asking questions until the aim was like anything else to say. He was like yet based in Kansas City. We did it so I think that would win unless he did. Another speech voice he may lead by doing a Lotta talking Yeah I was. I was trying to think about that but I haven't gone back and we watched it and I I thought about it like while he was already halfway speaking. So did me no good yeah. That's why I had to go back to the food thing. Also the mahomes rushing yards that it was rough. I kept going down as we got closer to the game right well. That's that's the thing like somebody had. I wish I had the tweeted. It was like people were getting it at twenty nine and a half it when up to thirty six is highest thirty six and a half before the game he had forty four and then on the last kneel down he lost fifteen to end a twenty nine. So if you've got in early at twenty nine and a half you physically hill nail downs coming off your total mix like we live in twenty week. Two Thousand Twenty. We can figure this the fuck out because he was doing the little extra kill share. Like Neil Neil back no back no back okay. Down one of the faster super bowls over watched. It was a really appreciated. Like there weren't any reviews views Even the one review they were just went to commercial game back was done with like forty dollars. Run the ball and the chief score quick six so we were in and out guiding hate. It didn't hit a one bit. It was a good game. It was evenly matched for about three three three three minutes and like nine and there are three quarters of nine minutes. We pretty competitive on the chiefs like none. A- We're actually it's GONNA win the game handedly yet last touchdown acuity No team have three straight scores but solid certainly solid fine. You'd watch another or no no no chance never again What happened in basketball? Nothing P everybody's batty got to get traded for everybody. We'll discuss more later. But it feels like a bad Damian. Lillard won't start making threes. Just just shot any of the shots potato. I can't believe nobody's made Threes and six straight game. So I got it's difficult understandably. It's just wild steph. Never did staff clay when Kevin Durant any of the warriors basically durant those fry feel like not like hey by taking six threes in three straight games. I don't need him six in a row. I ambulance what am I doing. I got into the pulse. Ah they're going to be expecting that. Let me look at the elbow. News on News That yet I feel like it happened months ago at this point. I don't even really care as something something had to have had our jerry. Rice was wearing his jersey like addicted. Not only his own Jersey Jersey with glitter numbers and an actual print at the bottom. And then see that. Let us go. Yeah it was reported like they won't well let me run Robinson. She laughed he now. He's dead serious. I know he asked and caution like no what are you doing. I do. Think like with irs life on the line do you think he could name. All of the teams he played for. Yeah 'cause he team wise. Yes but if you like Randy ballpark. It and I'll give you plus five hundred on either side. How many crew catches the the atoms like twenty eight? I don't know man I was the teamster teamster. I haven't heard his team. He he knows I'm not even trying to say he's a bad teammate. But delay the Dude Vicky really remembers playing for the forty niners Thinking more remembers like that trout. He caught when he was eight. Oh that's the thing but he remembers as like it knows the Super Bowl. I remember thinking the after we lost that I went out to the West. Virginia waters caught a beauty. Jerry Rice will tell you every every route. He's overran every time he should've got the ball. Every time he did. Get the ball Rainy Mazdas just like yeah. I probably caught out three hundred touchdowns that sounds sounds about right is gone like nobody. No one's it's every day he's like okay. I got three. I think Jerry Rice could take it every single like pass interference. That wasn't called very again. It's is crippling insecurity. Should make this looking in a mirror. But it just doesn't now it's too similar. You need a in a A little bit. You need something to look up to like a moss yet. He Not Answer. I was GONNA say I didn't even think moss was going to be there last night and they showed him at the very end had Him being like I'll super bowls. They had no idea weight. Some good fishing in Miami. Yeah I'll go. I'll go to that mcstay. Couple of days at Saint Him in the Patriots picture in Marine on the quarterbacks pictures of the other ones without rings muffins. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I don't much care for that. They were so God damn close so goddamn close tweet. He snapped at the fingers away from having to marines brings. Maybe even three of you. Vikings should have beat the falcons them as he's yeah he's still the graves and he don't need to remind us every force. Ajay Rice's damn bills area man Look look how much fun. I'm heaven so secure in me that I'm just outlived one hundred women. I don't even know their names. They don't even know mine. I'm very cool. It's it's like Pitcher Jordan acting like this and like Taliban he'll tell you but like all a only if you've tried to come at him I right. Yeah he'll remind you and I would say the same for Kobe and even then with Kobe it was always the Point five rings. That's ultimate. Jay writes liked. I've got twelve hundred catches on what the Montana okay pathetic. He's not Mago now never will be never. It has been that people are starting to see the light to after his his antics this weekend a lot. More people like converted guide guide. No idea. Let's doing too so I think he's trying to keep us up in violence because he knows that Michael Thomas is going to break air is just gonNa keep catching catching a hundred seventy five passes year. Julio's up there like the new era guys he's like oh no like Get him for catches Julio's liles on pace to get them for yards the medals timers guys. Please please don't forget me is going to start talking. About how many games they play season. He's now he's about to be Oscar Robertson basically he's GonNa triple double. Yeah hate to say. The someone's going to break Randy mosses single season touchdown record music and be like I had no idea I had that that was cool. Fine Hair my name in the news. This is NEAT is. I'M GONNA go catch a fish for you. Michael Thomas Attach show my appreciation. Oh over named Michael See you later. mikey psyche Three hundred yards did different body of water. Direly to indy. Why I don't understand what the NBA With the slate of games tonight but I know I don't appreciate it. It's a US one two decent. It's not great but it's whatever was Thursday last whatever one last we was it was just awful game after all day. Even Philadelphia at Miami Sound's premier until you read that one very important word at so it'll be a good game we know who's GonNa lose Iraq Philadelphians read by more than two and a half points. I'm taking the heat in the heat and to have and the under two thirteen to fourteen. Plus Two forty and keep pushing it up to two fifty it to seventy eight the end in a just with this is unstoppable force meets Immovable Object Phillies Roy record verse Mike Overall Record. We'll see who's who's really the toughest an Miami's home record like this old raw point guns at each other These are the the stupid games. Where because it shouldn't have Miami is GonNa win by like fifteen probably Philadelphia Latifi going by like fifteen? I don't know I said that I don't know man trust me. They're bad I seen they weren't in that game at all at all. Get into a laid. It's it's not important now. Is it a full apology to grant Williams. Is that what it is who we got award him. Goggles with the Bulls. You've been on his ass for north of twenty years. When will you cease ace? Never don't you get it now plus twenty years. Because he's not older Minnesota at Sacramento. It's Disgusting Game Disgusting Game Detroit Memphis Must Care for Strip Jay stone almost almost one it you see. The towns had one calendar a game since November. I didn't care for it. I WanNa pick the kings but I don't want anything to do with that game so I stayed away like he missed. What a good fifteen games or something right But still cannot win a game for two months when you've only missed one of the He has not played in a winning game since Wednesday. November the twenty seven heck. Yeah and that was again. That was at San Antonio as the day before before Thanksgiving so the three major holidays of coming God. Hey Jesus played seven games in December forbidden Played another seven January and he started on February with a double digit laws. So he's all in fifteen since Thanksgiving that's can't have a man is heard Now the average the average twenty game in January fifty thirty nine eighty six shooting. Twenty seven ten five assists in December fifty one. Thirty five eighty shooting in some gun shaping. The real web being Brooklyn another teammate carries out hate to see the nets winning taking the nets to win in the under twenty five. That's like a lot of points plus two. Oh five and they have they can win. Kyrie's up they do your books GonNa go off though. Aw Yeah they'll keep doing it. I don't keep not mattering usually doesn't get his out thirty five or so a Luebbe Nineteen I. Don't hate the pick but you're on it so I'm nervous. I'm going to take over the it is located out. I think he's still out what I'm guessing injuries injuries. So I'm just out for the next six game. I appreciate the way we've got a plan in mind that I'm going to take take Indiana minus five and a half basketball team those fair which is absence that coward dot coming here to pay my respect for my orange gatorade pick how dare tyrod like it. Anytime might look bad on something. He's a big Edward. Can I do on that show volunteer. Yeah I'M GONNA DO I. He he could have been more against Orange Gatorade for Not Show his face air so says a lot about the character. Man is minimal character uh-huh what's a good third pick here are when I feel good about so. I can't wait for it to describe crashing Ashington drown. Let's hear it spurs at Clippers. Two hundred nineteen total point and Lamarcus Aldridge scoring at least twenty two points. It's plus two fifty. This is one of the seven games a year. What's like good Paul George? He's on a minute restriction. But he's supposed to play. Big Man is their weakness like the markets in twenty two shooting. Threes wouldn't surprise me in nineteen. I can't wait from the finished with twenty one points and over the total points to twenty. It'll be illness a free throw or something. Fuck me on both. It'll be great. So you need the over in that or you need to nineteen exactly not nineteen or more take say both like I. Just I gotta feel it's Amok Amok. Come on come on the third quarter. We've already blown past all right. That's a third you know for for your to one that you feel good about saying i. I don't know how you feel all right about anything spurs related. You've been down on them for good three years now. I feel like it's justify they break the holiday. Look the Hawks win five years. You inspire the OX walks putting that loss on the spurs outrageous. Watch me do it anyway. Watch me boy Nixon calves. That should be on television Orlando Charlotte at slightly better Golden State Washington. That's as bad as New York Cleveland. Just what better names under Kinda likes right up to nobody cares. Shit Games aimed. Not only on are trying to see a magical wants Pistons Grisly. I genuinely the only don't know game to pick I'd knock in a trust the kings With even with Minnesota being tape that refuses to win gains trust the king. Sierra can't do that Especially since I was a game that was that crazy comeback a few weeks. Yeah three days ago was I think it was. It's two games ago. Maybe three like the timber about what some of those were January days so those were at least four four five weeks. I can't believe it's already the third of February honestly. Jaren was so oh slow in the first days breath February's done or who are out of here to appreciate it. Fran sorry about The travesty that happened black history month be more specific. The yet to put a horse forced down could herself down so that we get glue. What of it I mean? Let's make lemonade when awhile wake up to Houston Houston having a rough one. Yeah alight Trash trash pile banging as scandal and then there's that thing they astros did. Oh Gosh. His name is Gerald back out about how `bout What was what was the name of the the the the old Jimmy in Mali nights? Tweet the White Guy Tyrone power. Our white tyrone believe tyrone Jerome Rome. Irish name I don't care his name Tirol. What are you trying to say here Eh? Right also looking at that picture and be like this guy's clearly Irish whiskers argued that wasn't across my mind away too dark features to be see. That's what I'm saying. So people are okay. They made tyrone power. Listen Listen I've lived in Boston. It was a math ninety percent of my life ninety percent or three dark years that were in New York ninety percent of my life. I've lived in Boston a place. Carnot Brian Watts up more Irish than Ireland. Right fucking white-tie not a no one looking at look Sharon Brown. That's the one to shock. Me Is United United States. His name is Sharon Brown. He looked like he should be given me my weather in the morning. Sure I'd Campbell Brown no less but lost a net. That guy did look exactly Garoppolo. You put a little bit of stubble on him. The ringer dead ringer it was. It was incredible out grandma grandma panties. The twin tower lost in that like now the tyrone fire was awesome that to most people who saw me up and night white's name Tyron Meg. TALION trading teams is tough tough day. We've got Bosa crime. Eagle show up at the White House will Andy Reid anyway. uh-huh yeah is interning in the offseason. It wasn't wasn't a question of if it was more of a win. The Knicks cavs over to fifteen and a half. These guys are playing defense. Someone tweeted as Like the camera guy with the worst defensive radio some defensive stat player or the rookie cam cameras rookie player. Guide now But it was like the worst offender last year and then this year last year was concepts and this year. It's Darius Garland Garland so they're building something there in Cleveland. There's no two ways about that. That's rough agreed but will see you guys Tomorrow to shows regular show Not the cartoon adult swim but the regular show and then another pick state tomorrow. Ed's I don't appreciate other people saying baseball season like at notes. Not It's baseball it's trading. MVP SEASON Shirt Baseball's too but certainly not baseball on baseball transactions surprised Honestly it hasn't happened yet. What great waiting for Padres don't don't worry I am worried? Matter of fact I guess he could end up with the dodgers breath right. We're going to worry about. He's gone away see later.
Why We Underestimated COVID-19, and DJ D-Nices Club Quarantine
"This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. A CO production of WNYC studios and the New Yorker Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Ramnik outside of emergency rooms. It seems like many of us fail to understand this pandemic in real time to understand the seriousness of it. The appalling fatality now. I'm not talking about this cynical disinformation that was spread by the president and his media allies. What I mean here is the spring breakers who seemed so oblivious to what was going on and continued partying on beaches. I'm talking about the way that there were crowded city parks and crowded restaurants and bars. Even as the death toll began to soar even elected officials leaders at all levels of government struggled to respond to the virus in a way that reflected just how serious the problem actually was an is how and why people misunderstand and make mistakes is the life's work of Daniel common a scholar whose work revolutionized the field of cognitive psychology. He's a winner of the Nobel Prize and the author of thinking fast and slow a bestseller about human behavior. Maria CONACO WHO's written for the New Yorker about psychology and many other subjects spoke to Daniel Common last week this is an exponential event. That is we see things doubling every two days every three days before days and people don't have certainly including myself don't seem to be able to think straight about expansion growth so I was. I knew that that one hundred cases in France and I was about to fly France. I also knew that makes exponential. I didn't even consider the fact that if the rate of infections doubles every three days in a month it will be increased by facto Gwen thousands and we see today or infections that occur weeks ago that this today or people got infected four five weeks ago all of this is a thing beyond a intuitive human comprehension. And that's interesting that we're in a situation that we simply not equipped to understand so I'm interested in how then people can make decisions and can follow advice both from the personal level like you and I But also from the highest levels like if even someone like you is unable to grasp the nate the nature of exponential growth and what it might mean how to leaders Us All of this information to make decisions. How do they think through it? How do they figure out? Okay well what is the best way forward well? People tend to be focusing. Obviously that was true. President trump as well that tend to be focused on the number of casualties or cases of death today. and this is something that you want to warn people again and don't look at what is happening today. You need to extrapolate into the future in terms of people obeying instructions. You don't need many numbers. I mean I think that if the president said you know looking very serious. This is a very serious problem. And we're anticipating many coutts. These people will obey. People would pay attention. It's not even a matter of people making good decisions. It's a matter of getting people to behave in a particular way. In a way that is appropriate to the state of fear when they're not actually experiencing And on the Individual Level. Is there anything that we can try to do on an individual level? Psychologically to be better equipped to to make these choices. I think that's a does not. This is not individual decision. Make much theme of the conversation. My point of view. This is not an individual decision. Individuals should make the smallest possible number of choices for that epic work to do it There should be clear guidelines and tear instructions. We ought to know whether we should open Amazon packages outside. The door agreeing. It's not a decision that individuals should consider making on the basis of what they know because they don't know enough to make has your thinking about risk. Perception has this situation actually affected it at all. You know I'm I'm surprised boy myself in a way by Aidan ability to grasp what is going on but I might Bellizzi to be worried at the appropriate level. You can think of every time someone decides to go to the park. Something like that as kind of a gambling decision almost gambling with your own health gambling with the health of others. And the a lot of the work you've done has revolved around. How we evaluate though the risks that the costs the benefits of different gambles in that sense. How do we make those evaluations? You know how do we think through that type of Calculus when we make decisions? The one difficulty clearly. Which is that if you view every time that you go to the supermarket as a gamble You're not doing it with right. I mean that's the gamble in the same sense as wearing not wearing. Seatbelts is a gambler's accumulative gamble. And the risk for any one behavior is very very slight. It's it's adopting a pattern of behavior set on on the whole for many people is going to be a to be safer and here. The main Cuba twit getting I think is the behavior of the people and I'm very struck by the change in the behavior of people in the supermarket over the last few days and that signal that other people are aware of what is happening. That is the main way. Think brisket communicated that's really interesting so you're talking a lot about kind of the norms of behavior. We don't have a norm of wearing masks. We don't have a norm of obeying necessarily can have those stricter things coming from the top. Do you do you think that it's We might we might need a change when it comes to that Nobody is going to change the culture. The culture is what it is but a give you an example if I don't watch much television. But I see pictures of the daily conference calls of the president. If they were distancing there that would send a signal when you see a lot of people you know within within the wrong distance of each other and clearly not taking the kind of precautions that they would like everybody else to take that sends a very strong signal and not a good one. Yes Oh that. Kind of communication is is more important than any verbal communication and we need the appropriate emotional melody Because when the president communicates that he he really thinks that the lot of the stuff has been exaggerated. The damage that this does is really huge. Did you end up taking your trip to France or did you not go hesitate to the last minute and then? I decided gnawed but they're not But even when I made the decision I wasn't thinking straight but I actually had the tools to think much more precisely about it at unused those hoops. Can you elaborate a little bit? What we're the tools that you had but that you didn't use the tools would be to try to think what it means that Ah Condemning is spreading and I completely fan to see that although if I had tried to think strategy for you know try to write my thoughts about it just to thinking. I would probably have figured it out but I wasn't doing this because the number of vests at that time was small Then look very worrying and the idea that this is exactly what happened. Democ looks like I could have known lots of could have known. Obviously whose actions were much more important than mine decision of whether or not to go to Paris. A lot of preparations that should have been taken would not are you. I. I don't want us to come off wrong. But are you optimistic? Are you pessimistic? What is your kind of? What is your feeling about our ability to to get through this? You know I mean if you take the longer view then of course you have to be optimistic. I'm pretty sure there'd be some cure there'd be a vaccine and you know even without a cure without seen in one thousand nine hundred eighteen you know. Millions of people died but society subotic for old people like me. The prophets not good. I see very little reason for optimism at the best. I would say for the older among us. This is pretty much a life. Sentence of incarceration at home or a very long term sentence. It this is going to train the rest of our life. So phosa spite the. I'm definitely optimistic. Now there's no question my thing. This is not an existential danger. Would come out of it. Society will come out the date. The economy will come out. It could take several years but ultimately life go. Janu economy is professor emeritus at Princeton. And he's the author of thinking fast and slow and other books REA- Conoco's the author of the confidence game in the forthcoming. The biggest bluff. How I learned to pay attention master myself and this is the New Yorker Radio Hour. Come this is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Ramnik. Staying indoors has been a test for all of us but a family with new twin infants and a three year old daughter will you can imagine the challenges staff writer Gilani. Cobb found something that for at least a few moments took his mind off of the invisible threat surrounding all of us and it was a virtual party a livestream that lasted for nine hours. I've been quarantined at home for about three weeks like millions of other people and only leaving for essential goods and services. I don't think very many people define dancing and playing music as an essential good or service but Derek Jones professionally known as DJ. D- nice absolutely does about three weeks ago. He started an instagram live. Feed to play music for friends and family and within a few days had gone from a couple hundred people to a few thousand people and before the week was out more than a hundred thousand people listening in and it covered the spectrum of celebrity in politics people like we on Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. Even Michelle Obama stopped in for a little while. So you know ten minutes and I was not thinking about the corona virus anymore and I was not thinking about not being able to leave my house. You know anymore and I was just caught up in the vibe of the music plan. The first time I've ever heard of denies was when he was part. This group with which is really one of the foundational groups of the was considered the golden era of hip hop. I wanted to talk to him about his life and his career but I want to ask him about how that nine hour set who come about and what he'd been thinking before he started it. I woke up that morning and I promise you felt like it was going to be a very nice set. Had Twenty thousand people in there and cap seen like these messages like my gosh denies that so many people in here like the only person is missing. It's like when I was like. Wow what if I can like surprise the people that are in here with like an Obama like that would be awesome? But I did make some calls I did. I was like you know a call one of the OBAMAS assistance in. We were just talking about it. Said thank you know. Energy was almost like Nah. That's not gonNA happen so that was an actual invitation kind of VIP. But I did call. I was calling everyone that was like. Listen I'm trying to get somebody in there. That could make people feel really good. Have you ever done nine hour set before that and no no never never? What made you keep going especially because you had to keep logging off every hour logging back on. What made you keep going for that long. The spirit of music you know like I didn't even realize it was nine hours. I only played one song twice was because Riano popped in and I played burner boy earlier. I know that's like her favorite song. There's so much beautiful music out there that was made and to have the ability to play this in. Never repeat a song. I was excited about that alone. Like it was like this high. I was feeling based on. I can play everything. Oh my gosh so I was wondering about which is What's with the hats? It literally started like I went to use the rows wearing a hat is whenever i. Dj always have had on. So when I had my hat on US arrest in took the hat off because it was hot. I was looking at chance to get a little little hat break and then when I return. I grabbed the wrong hat. I was like looking at what people are writing like yellow hat. Is it hot in here and I was like. Oh Hatch East Okay and then I ran into the room. I cleared off my kitchen counter and just laid out all my like hats and then like every like thirty minutes I would just change the hat like just to change the slag only because hat's almost seemed like they were like signifying different mood. Changes like Oh we get a different set now. You know he's going with this house so that's exactly what was happening. So it'd be good to just kinda start early Potty Korea. I know you've talked a lot about club quarantine. I was interested in talking a little bit about the arc of your career before that his so For people who are not familiar with hip hop in the late eighties nineties. Could you talk a little bit about that time? And you know how you met care one got laroque and came to be connected to Boogie down productions so I started in a in a music industry in nineteen eighty six as a part of you know iconic or at least demise believer iconic but I kind of grabbed her cocoa get out productions on my cousin had a he worked at the men shelter in the Bronx at the time and then he introduced me to Dj Scholar Rock. Who happened to be a social worker there and was roughly fifteen years old anyway. He introduced me to carry us. Won The lead. Rapper group who happened to live in the shelter. And you know we are. You know we're at the time we were tight you know started making music that Audit Today. Just got the wrong. Y'All hip hop. Yes denies the know your rule hip hop just melody and roll hip hop okay. S One a rule that not stop in Fortunately Scott's past pretty early in I ended up becoming a DJ of the group. We've made for four consecutive gold albums. And then I did two solo out in Arkansas and after that I after my second album I ended up just kind of fell back a bit for nearly a decade started a creative Services Agency with a couple of buddies did that for a number of years and then left and started my own called United Camps and developed websites where everyone from Lisa keys to any Lennox was doing on our marketing for Reebok. And that's how I research to the entertainment industry and then I started to go out to parties and one particular party is what changed my life. I went to a place called table fifty in New York City kind of like a early two. Thousands went to to see q tip and Mark Ronson and together and they had a Thursday night residency for around a year or two. We're kind of stuff. Were they playing? Blondie gene. I really enjoyed it and I wanted to participate in it and I wanted to participate so so badly that I ended up giving up my web development company to pursue career DJ. Wow and it's a spiritual thing when I jump into going to ask you something about that. Actually which is that you know on Saturday night. You know net set where things I kind of blew through the ceiling and one point you start playing. You're spending some salsa saying this is like shout out to the Bronx and I wondered like you know playing dancehall playing Latin music playing Eighties R&B some seventies on the like was that about growing up in the Bronx. Was that kind of music that you were hearing around the community that you're living in like the my formative years. I lived in the Bronx but really I grew up in Harlem and music was always around me. You know like back in the day people walking around in the streets playing like with the boombox is like playing music loudly. You know so like every song that I play in. This is no lie. It's like there's always a picture painted in my head in my mind. Where if I play some Saturday love Alexander meal? What I think about is fifteen year old me or fourteen year old at the time walking through Central Park walkathon and I remember this young girl choose like is that every time I play that record. I still wonder like you know. I wonder whatever happened there so I was actually in the crowd The night when you DJ the OBAMAS Farewell Party the story that I don't know if it's true or not that Naomi Campbell Give you some artistic advice that night. The influence how you played owners true wearing the White House in in I was playing the typical corporate set of like safe music. Michael Jackson Madonna Blah Blah in. May only in my other friend. Joh- came over to me in both like Joe. You know like you're not playing like yourself be you but I looked at them in. I don't know I let my ego go. That was the first thing because the Eagle was like. What do you mean? I'm watching everyone dancing because you to on having a good time you know. Don't really bother me with that. But what they said was actually right. Then I went to the absolute hardest rap song that I could think of like immediately just to see if this was going to work in the first song played was Imo peas and literally. The floor was vibrating. Like people were going nuts. But how was it was amazing? Swag served in the White House right. You said that you can see like people are dancing. You can kind of get feedback from that but for club quarantine. You can't do that. How was that? How do you navigate that like Dj Blind? I didn't know if you're dancing in your living room or not. If you're feeling the music you know like I didn't know it was time to switch it. That set was really all about me trying to figure out something to do that. Thing that I you know I love the most or or my kids. My kids are mild Mrs in law school so she's a lot of my daughter. My youngest daughter is in a in Michigan with mom so since I travel a lot. I didn't WanNa go to Michigan because I wasn't sure what was going on you know so I just stayed here in La So you know having two of the most important things removed from me immediately which is family. And My love of de Gen- I was literally going stir crazy you know. How is the spread of the Corona Virus End? The quarantine changed your life personally. And maybe your philosophy about life. I will say this you know. I'm a single man that enjoy traveling the world. Dj Nine Short. I would literally get on a plane flat in New York for one GIG very next morning flooded Trinidad for Gig then the very next morning flat in Los Angeles for Gig and all of that was great when I was sitting here alone In there's no one here I can tell you. That was the loneliest. Feeling that I've felt in a very long time just made me respect being around my family more and around my friends and just loved ones. You know like really appreciate the Times that I spent with him in like being like isolated is it can be a very lonely feeling and you know. I don't think anyone should feel like that. You know so much love that people are receiving in that they feel because I'm playing music. I always try to make sure that they know that that love is equally felt on this end. Because if I weren't playing music nine hours I wouldn't. I probably wouldn't be as happy as I am now. You know because I'm able to play music so people and kind of affect their mood just because I'm playing music is is a very humbling feeling and have nothing but gratitude fascinating because everything that's been written And including my own writing about it. We've all focused on what we got out of. This and I think this is the first time I've thought about what you were getting out of it on the other side of it So thank you Chris you sharing it all right you take you take you would be. That was so quick in and out of vacuum next Saturday and Saturday night's really what i WanNa do something. Nice show up to my man see you. Oh my gosh. Scalia sees ask you see you see you man Muddy Lydia. Soon thanks very piece of. Dj Denies You can find out about next livestream at New Yorker DOT COM or by following him on Instagram at denies he spoke to the New Yorkers Jilani COMP. I'm David Remnant. I want to thank you again for listening. And maybe even had a quick dance in the kitchen. Thanks TO PHILIPPA. Do Watching for permission to use music in this week's episode. We'll be back next week. And we will be back with more of the New Yorker Radio The New Yorker Radio Hour is a co production of WNYC studios and the New Yorker. Our theme music was composed performed by Merrill Garbis tune yards with additional music by Alexis Padro. This episode was produced by Alex. Barron Emily Boutin Ave ran corby. Cala Leah David Krosno. Go Fan Putin Rally Louis Mitchell. 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Adjusting to Adjusting
"Hey guys let me tell you about anchor. If you haven't heard anchor is the easiest way to make podcasts. Let me explain. It's free seriously. It's Free. There's a creation tool that allows you to record in your podcast rate from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts. In many many more you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make podcasts. In one place trust me. It was that easy. Download the free anchor APP or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started. Thanks a heavyweight. Welcome at Ted Items are less. I'm your host Tim. The less than serious podcast talks about the everyday things loaded in your grocery cart of life. Thanks for tuning. I appreciate it for. We get started. I want to thank everybody that Took the time and listened and shared feedback with me from my first episode that I posted last week. It was an overwhelming response Obviously family my family was very positive. Very supportive to get some straight. Nobody knew nobody knew that I was even doing this. Other than the FAB four That's a whole different topic that Fab four. We'll get into that. That will be an episode by itself. Sure but Nobody else nobody in my family immediate family nobody that I work with no friends. Nobody was ever wear that I was even GonNa do this so just imagine. Just imagine the response I got once I posted it and it was overwhelming on. My family was very supportive My mother in law and brother they immediately went to the printing press. My brother-in-law is now myself the claimed market manager? He's or I'm sorry merchandising manager. He's got shirts on the printing presses sending me a demo crazy crazy. Funny Story My mother she was the first one to respond. It was the very next morning after we posted it. And you know she was so supportive said. Oh my God. It's so great. You did such a good job. Who Knew You knew how to speak? I was like what she didn't mean in that way she was like speak so well but it was really sweet. She was very supportive. She really liked it She thought it was super sweet. She Ford to my sister who lives in Italy Her and her family were very supportive. Shared it on my facebook and instagram. That type A staff my sister-in-law New Jersey. She was like Oh my God. Great Start so funny My Dad my dad was awesome. He was like. Oh my God. That's so funny. It was really good hard hard to sit there without seeing something you know. That's the whole generational gap there. I think with podcast. You know we're literally going back in time for somebody. That's seventy years old to go back in time to listen to podcasts. As probably like keeping your ear to a radio in the one thousand nine hundred twenty s so he was like. I don't understand like why couldn't see it. You know at the at at that moment we were talking about it. He was in his car talking to me through his Bluetooth Speaker. And he's like I would love to be able to listen to your podcast in my car like I am with you so I'd explain to them how it works on. Apps it was just funny. 'cause I didn't know either I got a little bit confused with a podcast versus a radio. Show because there's tons of podcasts. Out there to have guests on there and guest speakers so it's very similar thinking but a different process so I had to explain to him that I could do this at two in the morning. Amanda where and posted on Wednesday. And it's and it's seems like it just happened so it was funny. He didn't quite understand how it worked. But the feedback was overwhelming higher. Literally got US some emails for from some people that I've literally not talked to in thirty years as I said to you in the first episode of my wife and I we lived all over the United States You know I had somebody reach out to me and actually favourite my podcast. I think it was on Anchor buds sprout literally. Seen in thirty years we went to college together so he was super supportive From what I understand. I think he's a barbecue pit master. So how cool that would be to get him on the show and talk about barbecuing and smoking meat. Which by the way I'm terrible at. I'm really good at making beef jerky every time. I've tried to spoke. Something comes out as dry as a cardboard box. So we'll get into that as well but crazy shit crazy shit all the time. I saw some crazy shit driving home. Today sorry my voice just raise there I was. I was literally driving home. I was at a stop light. I was thirty four car back. Come ahead down looking into my phone. I literally see this crazy looking thing sitting next to my driver's side window. You know Kinda scared should I mean it wasn't sure getting carjacked jumped kind up? Roll them window. It was a pool skimmer that has the net at the at the end the net was taking out and taken out and in the net area. Was the little white bucket like a pickle bucket. If you're in a food and beverage industry you know what I'm talking about. And it was kind of tie wrapped on their on. The bucket said this poll is six foot one inches long. I am practicing social distancing. Begging you for change please help. Times are tough. Oh my God cracked up i. I couldn't think quick enough. I didn't take a picture. I literally had to go. By that time I reached down my couple or through a bunch of changing it. Everybody behind me did the same thing but that guy gets the gold star. A day of being creative. It was great. Times are tough. Everybody's trying to adjust staying part. Social distancing is very very hard You know like I said people are outside riding bikes. There's some good to it. People are outside plan. I think it's great but it's tough. It's tough times I can tell you that. Online shopping is in tough I'm doing a hell a lot of it. it's at the point now where. I put something in my shopping cart on Amazon. I hit by and I don't even have to do anything he doesn't ask me my address anymore. My shits on its way immediately. That summit should've buying. It's crazy when I started buying stuff online. Did get it at the wrong address. I couldn't find out the door. Now it's at the right door guys here immediately. That just goes to show much. We're buying the other day. I came home from work to massive boxes out front. I'm like honey. You check the front door. She's like no why I'm like Shit everywhere out there. So we're doing our part we're buying online. We're trying to buy stuff. We're trying to keep the economy going but it's tough You know I believe everybody's home going crazy dying from boredom. My Wife said to me the other day she's like. Can we get a puzzle? Let me tell you something about me. The last thing I want to do is try to put a puzzle together. I would literally rather put pins in my eyelids than put a puzzle together. It's not soothing. It's not mind working for me. It actually stresses the shit out of me. I just WANNA throw it all away but I said okay. Let's go online. Look for puzzle so go online we go other department stores not just Amazon. Can't find a damn puzzle in stock? The ones that are in starker forty dollars. Since when is a fucking puzzle? Forty two dollars. Guess what we have to coming. Of course we did case so. We've got to puzzles. Come in we're going to be doing puzzles. We're GONNA try to do that stuff You know keep ourselves busy. We've been watching TV I told you about net flicks and Ozark in my first episode. Craziest thing that I saw today. I haven't even told my wife because if you remember I told my wife a week ago that she's on suspension and re pausing ozark. Because I didn't WANNA finish season three two quick. I think we have like three or four episodes left of the season three. That's broadcast right now and I literally saw On social media this morning that season four's not even predicted to come out the twenty twenty one twenty two. So that's like nine to fifteen months away. There's no fucking way I'm GonNa Finish Ozark in the next four days and not have it so little. Does she know that she is going to be quarantined from watching that for at least two three months so? I don't want to end that series. It's wonderful series so last night we're sitting on the couch. We eat some dinner She said what he WANNA watch us. Let's watch a movie so we go through our Netflix again. Very new to net flix and we find a movie. It's called Molly's game I'm like okay. Let's watch trailer. We watch a trailer. It's about gambling and poker. Seems Pretty Interesting? It's like two hours twenty minutes long. I said okay. Let's put it on so we get the dog. Set Up. We set up the couches. Shut off the lights watched movie great movie Not Earth Shattering Award winning but great movie Strongly recommended checking it out again. It's called Molly's game on net flicks There's some famous actors in it. Basically the movies about a poker game and cheating the system and try not to go to jail for the whole time. I'm sitting here watching a movie. I'm like what in the world are the people that are addicted to gambling doing right now. They're not betting they're not gambling. They're not online BOT gambling against anything. I mean Shit the other day the women's NBA draft was on. I was sitting there thinking like are people betting on that and then I'd be like imagine sitting home a degenerate gambler and saying okay honey. What's the over under? And what time the mailman shows up today? Like our people doing that. Like Howard they survive inc. I mentioned the prostitutes in episode one and I got some feedback and some laughs about that. I didn't mean to go so off the rails. When I made that comment but the same thing goes for the gambling people are really really really hopefully getting better from their addiction. Because there's nothing to bet on. I'm sure it's tough shorts however alcoholics. I think there should look badge and being cooped up in the House now. Four five weeks over a month and you have a drinking problem. All you're doing is drinking. It's crazy I saw me out there the other day that said There's a great debate that salons hair salons are more essential than liquor stores. I can tell you right now. Differ I bad I bet ha ha I bet if I could bet. My wife would say the opposite. All the blondes in the world are now brunettes. My here is completely out of control of got of rum in the count in that in the cupboard. Okay but I have not out of haircut about seven weeks. The sides of my hair looked like Mel kiper junior. I told my wife that the other day when we were getting ready for bed. And she like. Who's now Cocker Junior? So he made her look it up and she said Holy Shit. It's exactly what your hair looks like. It's terrible if you know sports you know talking about. It's quite funny but the sides of my hair are just out of control have now resorted to buying hats over and over. I'm a hat wearer. But I've gotten more hats this last week online shopping than I ever have and I'm trying to get a half. That's Damn big enough to go over to stem afro growing. But yeah definitely looking Melkite Junior I I got. I got a job at all. The way back in the thick is the top looking. Great fantastic let me make a drink only kidding but anyway let's talk about sports real quick one of the things that I heard yesterday and it was very interesting to me is what is the worst thing that can happen to an athlete or a team in sports and then there was a great debate and somebody brought up losing game seven. Somebody said losing perfect game in the bottom of the ninth with two outs with two strikes Losing a no hitter losing the world series when you're one out away and you have a full count the bottom of the knife and you lose the game like there were so many analogies of. What's the worst thing could happen and then out of nowhere? I heard the answer that blew me away that I never would think of. It made me think about it and I wanted to talk about. Today is imagined being that athlete. That's in the Olympics in any sport and you get fourth place. That is so worse than anything that I talked about. Previously fourth place in the Olympics means nothing. You're terrible your trash. You're not on the podium. You're not gonNA metal. You literally go to the Olympics train your whole entire life to be top three obviously. WanNa be get the gold. But if you're an athlete in any sport the worst thing that could happen in my opinion after I heard this was to place Fourth Olympics. Think about that. We don't talk a lot about the Olympics because Olympics are only every couple years but when I heard that it was actually on that movie that I recommended you guys watch that the worst thing that can happen to an athlete is placed fourth in her Olympic sport. By far makes way more sense to me than the other ones so I thought that was cool. So along with Mel Kiper Juniors Haircut and a little sports trivia there I gave you Just wanted to share my insight on that so I think I shared about. I don't know seven eight things with you today. Or last name of the podcast. Please send me your feedback at ten items or less podcast gmail.com like I said earlier. I got a ton of feedback on several people. Send me some comments. I'd like to talk about moving forward. I want to talk about some cooking Some culinary tips and tricks that I may be able to share with you. I'm really looking into trying to figure out how to record. A guest on these podcasts Like I said to you. I'm really new at this and not quite sure what I'm doing yet. I'm just really trying to hone in my speaking skills. Kind of have fun doing it but later today. I'm doing a I guess you'd call it a zoom or skype recording. I'm GonNa try to do some interviews with some interesting people out there. That would love to add to my podcast. I've met hundreds and hundreds of people in my life by living all over the country. There's so many interesting people that would love to get out here to to share some thoughts and ideas or what they do or maybe their concerns about things that we're all going through here in life. I strongly encourage everybody to say safe. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Where Your Mask Do your best. Which social social distancing please take a listen? Subscribe to my podcast. I'M GONNA try to keep you entertained along the way. And let's get this shit role and man. It was a good time. And I appreciate your guys efforts and Feedback that you've sent me from last week and look forward to more this week. Thanks again and thanks for tuning in ten items or less. Have a good day.
The Antonio Brown/Patriots WTF Emergency Pod With Bill's Dad | The Bill Simmons Podcast
"<music> and bill simmons podcast on the ringer podcast network is brought to you by nobody because we didn't know we're doing podcasts right now. Let's shut up to ziprecruiter get to try them at ziprecruiter. Dot com slash g._s. Don't forget about the ringer podcast network as well as the ringer dot com and <hes> and the rituals nineteen ninety nine which i was on those last week all right. Let's get gone my dad's annoying daddy there. I'm here. It is saturday. It's three o'clock. This news broke an hour ago. I was taping in an interview randomly in the studio with an ayla celebrity that i'm excited around that podcast. I'll tell you who was after that <hes> and then all of a sudden the patriots sign antonio brown. Can i pry. I'm pretty sure i've text from you saying i wouldn't want this guy so i know you've done one eighty right. I they have done a cautious when eighty cautious one okay. What's the problem well. The problem is his behavior <hes> in the last year and a half. I guess but we've seen it before. We've seen guys still bell ring guys in and and you know it's only for a year <hes> i would think he wants to get his reputation back and then signed a contract with somebody else and away. We have nothing to lose. I guess because that clubhouse has so many strong leaders in it and the fact that he's coming here. It's just shocking. It's not just going to go to seattle actually <hes> they could really use that wide receiver but i'm shocked <hes> and yet not chuck because we we've you know randy. Moss certainly was a character. I don't think he was a character in the same vein as this guy but <hes> it's just really funny you know i i don't know if you saw that. The odds in las vegas went from for the patriots went from six to one to four two one for us to win the super bowl. Oh wow we we now jumped ahead of against city well. I didn't i did a podcast with mallory that we take on thursday and let's do it yeah yeah and we are wondering if there was something wrong with him because his behavior was so strange that it seemed like he was either a a unraveling or be like just might have passed the point of just being too much of a malcontent ever be happy and the team now. We're starting to learn that. It seems like there is path c. Which was at some point over the last three months. He must have decided did he wanted to play for a contender and not for the raiders kind of rumor out there on on twitter actually that <hes> you know be the motivation to play for oakland <hes> which is not going to be a good team even would not have been a good team in even with him <hes> after coming from a team that was a contender every year you wonder how much he orchestrated all of this and and again <hes> we'll wait hold hold that thought because that's the glass half full. If you're a patriots fan of this whole thing is the he's crazy like a fox. Eh orchestrated this whole thing and that the only way he was going to get out of pittsburgh with all the dead money they would have had. They have to pay twenty twenty. One million dollars not even have them on their team was to if they had traded him somewhere else so the options were buffalo and oakland he goes to open now. If we're doing the crazy like the fox path he goes to oakland realize as quickly as no chance to win. There isn't impressed by the quarterback is impressed oppressed by anything and then just starts planning his exit from that point on which could explain all of the weird things he's done now. Does that make me want to root for him on the patriots. It's a <hes>. I'm not sure well in week. Two it probably makes you want to route from yeah <hes> but it does seem suspicious in terms of the helmet and then all the other stuff that went on and how quickly out quickly quickly he signed with the patriots by the way i mean he was only eligible for clock and the news went out of 4._0._1. While so there's a lot of side effects effects this would go no random mortar here number. One is the patriots if if he can just stay normal for four months there undoubtedly did they better. This guy is one of the best four wide receivers of all time and he's not that i would just say that <hes> he might be the best wide receiver in the league now i think he's in the top four or five though but i but the baggage that he brings knocks him out of the top four i mean he's he he brings the the most problems of anybody but yeah he does but so but he's never been a <hes>. You know how josh gordon we have such high hopes for but we we have such it's such a risk rank right but i don't recall antonio brown having that kind of a history now but i mean he did not i play and he didn't play in a week seventeen muslim steelers game last you know last december. He's definitely a little nutty much much win. They had a chance to make the playoffs. It wasn't there wasn't over yeah. I understand <hes>. I'm you know in a way. I'm if you'd call me two hours ago and said. What do you think i would have said no. I don't think we need them. I'm not sure what he'll do in the locker room. <hes> i'm not sure how much much bill belichick will put up with anyway but now that he's on the team. You try to talk yourself into it. <hes> that's what we do yeah. That's what we do all the time so you have brady who in my fantasy action on tuesday was one of the last names called win for dollar. Nobody he went to you had a receiving core where they pick harry in the first round. He's on the i. R. josh gordon who knows how many games ramsey's gonna play. I hope i'd kyle has the jersey is in his corner for life but we don't know if we're going to get four months out of them. I hope we do <hes> they have. No tight ends ends who i would even say our average. I would say it's all below average. Ted ends the running. Backs are good <hes>. It looks like jacoby. Myers is gonna play door set. We've we've already had <hes> eshelman looks like he has some sort of thumb issue and i'm wondering if the brown thing is part of that because if not one hundred percent healthy they're probably i'll be worried about that. They have said there's no issue but okay. I'm i'd never never trust them when they say no. No he's fine. <hes> the round cottress thomas who from is on the injury report right now <hes> he is a amstrong. It's a quad so they put him on injured reserve yeah for at least four yeah they put them into reserve for four games but if they can get browns head head straight and you're putting him on one side with eshelman and with gordon oh my gosh cows just cackling over there right so i bet you know there's a there's a crazy thing on twitter of him finding out that oakland released him and he runs around in his his backyard and he jumps in the pool is there is something off about the guy yeah but you know i think he and brady your friends <hes> well. I'll tell you this this was so he came and talked to us. He came hung out with him in his in my office for like an hour and february. I remember that that's right. I forgot that right yeah. He did say do a pod with them. You just chatted with them. Yeah we're gonna do a pot and then he ended up. He left l. a. and and it just never happened but it was interesting. I wasn't saying we were we're talking. About what teams would you want to go to and you know he is being a little quick because that in on that well but then we started talking about what offenses would be the best i offense for you and he said pats and chiefs and so as raiders thing was he was like you. I'm not playing with tom brady being in that the way they use you know smaller guys around the field like i e that'd be the greatest and then the same thing for the chiefs so when this raiders thing really started falling apart. I didn't think we'd go near him and i was really worried about the chiefs yeah because it's the kind of going to another team like the chiefs. No no okay so in a way we blocked him going to make another other team better <hes> that's one way of looking at it in less unless this is something he has wanted to do for a while because if you look at the stuff he's done he's repeat. He repeatedly escalated the raiders thing rain. Every time it calmed down he did something else and even calm down you know over the last thirty six hours or twenty four hours and then all of a sudden he puts this youtube clip will might have been a gruden interview nike. He was just throwing gasoline on the fire every chance he could get so whether the now this leads me to my second big thing. I don't know if you know this but everybody hits the patriots oh i. I realized that anytime. I've left boston. Yes and i don't know if you realize but but there's some people out there that that seemed to think maybe they don't do things on the up and up sometimes that maybe there's some some nefarious nece and some trickery and <hes> the conspiracy theories of ballot check. You're not suggesting adjusting for the patriots might have had some discussion with brown about if you act crazy enough. They're going to release you and you can come to our team. You've been here's the thing and this has been happening in the n._b._a. For the last five six years right like it doesn't have to be bella checker or bob kraft kraft or anybody it could be somebody in the team that he's friends are being like yeoman. Y'all i talked to ballot check. He said he he wants you. If you get out of there while you're right it's the paul george just the the it's the davis from new orleans kind of scenario in the n._f._l. Which doesn't usually happen though in the n._f._l. Well i'm in the position of just being a huge hippocratic decrypt because i hate player movement i hate i hate the recruiting and and the stacking on and all that stuff of good teams and guys jumping around and just all of a all sports has gone and yet now it helps the patriots so i'm torn. Kyle helped me well. There's a lot of other funny you little ramifications. You know we're not gonna. He's only gonna be here a year. If he's a here a year with something not gonna pay in the kind of money he's going to demand man next year third round compensatory draft pick <hes> his agent is rosenhaus some sure you know that was also grottes agent and and you think graca sitting there looking at this receiving core thinking yeah week nine week ten week eleven oh my god i hold on to host our kyle. He knew he had the same agent right. Yeah yeah <hes> i'm greg and i'm sitting there and i'm looking at element brown and dimitrius thomas and jordan jordan marianne gordon excuse me and the rest of the team which looks pretty deep and i'm thinking yeah i can come back but i don't know the whole thing again two hours ago i would have said. I hope we don't go near this guy or this is our job to talk ourselves into our teams. I've talked myself into it. <hes> he's going to be a perfect citizen because he knows bella. Check doesn't put up with any shipped <hes> he likes brady. He'll fit in well to our offense. Will they veteran locker room. There's three things three things really really working in his favor. One is that i would say brady is one of the most popular teammates in any sport. It's just everybody eddie who passes through the brady orbit. There just can't say enough great things about him after there's never any sniping about him after the fact everybody just loves playing with that guy. All he wants to do is win so putting brown with him over what seemed to be a rocky relationship with rothlisberger. That's a win right there. We have seen receivers is over and over again with his kind of skill set <hes> really thrive in the in the last two decades with patriots going back to trade brand in two thousand one if to be double teamed yeah i mean we don't need to tighten at the moment and then the other thing they've over and over again have rolled the dice with you know the the shaky guys in and i moved shaky shaky for different reasons but you know it really the the only time it didn't work out was <hes>. I don't mean to make light of this but i i would say the aaron. Hernandez thing ultimately didn't work out but they we have rolled the dice with different types of personalities and when it doesn't work they just get rid of them like shadow chose cinco didn't work. They didn't bring him back. Albert haynes with was on on the team for four five weeks didn't work. They got rid of them but yeah. I think there's a difference though those guys were at the end of their careers true <hes> think oh oh you know he was done <hes>. He had a fork in his back. Yeah antonio brown is not at the end of his career. I mean he has three or four more good years. Here's if he can get his act together. <hes> this is a different kind of signing it as like randy moss bringing them in at a certain point in this career. The difference is he. He is somebody in. I don't think moss was ever like this. Mosque could be unhappy and maybe not go hundred percent and it was almost like wasting a car in the garage that you couldn't drive on the highway a fuse on your team near the recorder back all that stuff this brown is somebody who really could try to make it about him and that the team and try to submarine what's going on and i don't. I don't really remember the pats having a guy who's as much of a narcissist as he is if that happens though do you do you see him staying around no. I think they would cut him. During the season i i think this is i think this is a week by week thing with him and if fi drip jeopardizes or threatens anything that's going on that. This team was a favourite to make the super bowl before this happened so he's going to jeopardize it. They'll just get rid of them and that's it's why it's like it reminds me. Rivas was a really good guy and i think people love playing with him but it reminds me of the rivas thing. It's a one year deal aw and you're getting somebody at a discount who if you can just get four good months out of them is one of the best guys it is position and it's a no brainer as soon as the risk was removed moved and ballot check didn't have to give up anything for them that was when he made the move but i agree. I you know as you said it's a one year deal. It's actually a five-month deal deal not even one year he didn't have to go through training camp and off-season training and all that garbage and <hes> he can't play in week one on you're talking about playing fifteen regular season games <hes> with a quarterback he likes and respects which as you indicated. There's something going on with russia's bergen pittsburgh ironies here have pittsburgh still paying part of his salary twenty one years quinn yeah oh yeah millions of oakland who traded two draft third and a fifth draft picks for him and i. I'm surprised we're able to fit them. Under our salary cap. I mean must have been some maneuvering there. I i saw that it. It's really a one million dollar salary <hes> bonus money which may be the spreading of a couple of years and then incentives will they usually they usually save a nest egg and in half the time we get frustrated at at the end of the season because they didn't actually spend the money right so this year they actually spent it. Yeah talked myself into it. I really i think kyle should go out and get an tony brown. Patriots kyle can switch it. Can it can switch off with the gordon shirt one week and antonio brown on the next week and let me give you the exact time of the day when kyle talked himself into the trade the literally the second it was on his phone and he started the dancing around going yeah yeah i do. I do have one prediction when they're on the road that they're not. They're not gonna room until the around on with score the odd couple. I think they should win them together. That'd be great i wouldn't i wouldn't antonio brown rooming with brady or somebody like that. Trading or the left guard you know the best part about all this is that takes a tremendous amount of pressure off a flash and that's really what we need. It'd be worth yeah tha kyle's look from how this affects. Josh gordon and this is a good thing for josh gordon ulta go. Who are we gonna release. I mean it's a probably they're probably trade. Thomas wave them out guests. I like him. I'd i'd because he's injured. I heard <hes> i put him on that. Six week i are with and kill harry and and then you have these two receivers sitting there and there's the other guy kim married. It's i don't know much about but you know who knows what's going to happen but our depth is certainly terrific we didn't we didn't talk about one other thing that i love from this and then then we can wrap it up. You know pittsburgh has a huge in for inferiority complex at the pats right. It's it's we were the city of champions than than new england. Just took that title from them. They can never be brady when it's mattered. I don't even think they've beaten brady and foxborough. They have a decade that started out. They lost the super bowl the year after six against brady and foxborough rate they loo- they lost a playoff game tim tibo all these. I think it was a bad bad. Steelers decade this appointing and then this antonio brown thing happen then it's like well at least didn't go to the patriots and now he's actually on the patriots and it actually seems there might have been some conspiracy stuff going on my thing is like everybody hates the patriots already we've met. It'll be like a good wrestling. He'll this is like a wrestling. He'll move you know. I know he can't play tomorrow night but i hope he's in hope. He's on the sideline in uniform and pointing across the field that his old teammates so all right so we think fifty percent anyway. We just talked to cells into loving this frightening. Didn't we won. They can cut him really doesn't it's. It's they didn't try anything farm and they can just dump them if he's a distraction but i think it's a fifty percent chance that he's just off his rocker and there's a fifty percent chance. He decided that this was how this was going to play out from june. <hes> <hes> you know the rosenhaus agent has had a wonderful relationship with the patriots now. That's not helping dad well. Don't you think he sat down with this guy and said you know this might be a last chance to act normal and behave yourself for four or five months and go to a winning team and get that a big contract when the season is over so you think he told him so now the earned the patriots don't <hes> don't burn your feet in a cryogenic chamber and don't put don't flip out. Yeah can't use your helmet and don't almost get into altercation with the g._m. Like try not to do that. He was doing that well. He had his cell phone in his ear and he was calling gronk up and telling gronk about what had just happened in <hes> stay in shape for week ten yep so if ground comes back and we tend and catches a touchdown and is greeted in the end zone by antonio brown and flash gordon. I'm gonna have to scrape car off the couch. That'll be he'll just be dead. Would that kill you. Kyle come back. I find a way to come back then. Everybody hates the patriots. We don't care. They hate us more than they did two hours ago and here's the thing though this happens in the n._b._a. This is exactly what jimmy butler did. What's different about it. They maybe jimmy butler butler and think about the cryogenic chamber and in it never occurred to him to try to pull the home row thing but he did all this other stuff minnesota and rachel nichols traipsing down there to interview him and gets traded fairly and it's like oh man he's choosing his destiny and antonio brown does it as an exception. He went to miami which is not. I'm saying when he did affiliate trade trade trade. He basically bullied them into trading to philly by doing all the same stuff. Antonio brown did split bullied itself to get to the lakers and he believed himself. You know see this is great now. We're defending antonio. Brown has come full circle. Oh my god i have twenty people my i was so mad. I forgot that you would chatter with them and i'm sure that you thought he was really nice man who just needed to be on the right team right. I i just think he wants to be happy and if we've learned anything in two thousand nineteen it's that we should just want our professional athletes to be texting right now and welcome to it. Tell if he's listening well tokyo. This has been a very special episode of the podcast. We're coming back tomorrow night with cousin sal wrapping up sunday night as well as guest the lines dad. Thanks for coming on all right. Take care <music> the first.
Business Disruption Insurance Talk with Bill Eiland
"Welcome to the show today. We're GONNA talk about business interruption if it does or doesn't exclude viruses. What are your choices. What can you do and to help? Answer those questions. We had Bill Island Attorney from Alan and Richie on today new. He not been friends a long time and they've got some good information that's going to help give us some direction on what we needed to get ahead of the game. Hey I'm Karen I'm a former. Cpa entrepreneur business consultant with big ideas on the mom. Katie I'm a payroll specialist business owner and detail oriented person that makes things happen and on the daughter. Welcome to tears to business. Feel welcome to the show. Thank you very much for having me. I down each other for a really long time. Haven't we just a couple of years about twenty years now back when this when we were fifteen years old when we first met so that makes us thirty five years old walking turning thirty nine about now about twelve times now so good so today you know everything we've been doing for the past four or five weeks we've had an employment attorney on? Yar wiggins has been on twice young entrepreneurs. I think the next front we're GONNA see with this thing is business interruption. Insurance in some most policies are being denied. And can you tell us about that? Businesses can do it. This is still kind of uncharted territory. We are looking at any business Out there that has business interruption insurance and and most companies You know even if it's a small business typically these companies have this coverage even though they may not even know they have. I've talked to many employers and and business owners that you know when I asked them if they have been business interruption insurance they say well you know. I don't think so or I don't know only to find out that they do. And what that insurance is for is exactly what it sounds like. If there's something that happens typically with a hurricane or storm or something of that nature that interrupts that business where you cannot operate like you typically can it is. It is the crucial bit of insurance. But as you just mentioned in what we're seeing right now and I'll explain the reasons the second most insurance companies were saying. No no no no. It doesn't cover something like this. The San it might it might now. We have looked at many and I do not want to give people false hope. We have looked at many insurance policies. That sure enough. After looking at it and having our experts and complicated language that you see in every insurance policy we've got the people involved at letting them kind of peruse through these policies. We looked at one last weight of one hundred pages. Now a Lotta these policies they have what's called a virus and even some of them have a hand democ exclusion You Know I. I don't know if I'd ever heard the word pandemic before all this but it apparently was on the Dolphin. Minds of some of these companies Years ago and so they have a specific exclusion that says that if your businesses interrupted because of a virus or a pandemic the coverage does not apply. And and really. There's there's not much they can be done right now and I emphasized right now because there may be something that can happen but so there's a lot of policies that do exclude and more more policies than not that. These businesses have that exclude coverage however we came across the other day. It absolutely applies. Because there's no exclusion I'd sell had business policies forever and multiple looseness policies and it is hard spun head to look at them. They're fully legally. They're hundred pages. Hey you cannot get to look at my policies any lower again not not pat myself promote myself my firm but we looking at these and any business can get their policy to me. Just make a copy of it and it is confidential. We don't disseminate it to anybody. We will take a look at it. Have our experts take a look at it and we will make a determination free of charge as to whether we believe that they have a potential claim. And if they do so they can if they choose to hire us and to allow us to try to prosecute the case and try to get them the coverage that they deserve then. We'll do it but there is no obligation free of charge. Look at For us or for us to look at the pulse let them. Yeah for Marine exhausted. I am now I want you to look at that. So how do I get that to you? You can email it to either me my secretary my my paralegal and then we will immediately get it to the expert that That we're using and they are again. They user these experts. And like you said you know these are complicated policies. These are you know as you mentioned while ago. You have one hundred page policy. And they'll be one page of what they cover and then ninety nine pages of exclusions and so you know these. These companies are are not stupid. That's why insurance companies make as much money as they do They love taking premiums Zan. But they do not look like pay claims a drug commercial. It's the this That's Oh yeah no. Yeah it'll say a decrease your blood pressure but you know you may die in your sleep. You know the first night you take it so I would encourage everybody. There's nothing to lose. Sabine until all your friends anybody that you know. That owns a business. Now if you cut grass and landscape on the side and you're not incorporated and you do not have general liability insurance than you're not gonNA be qualifying for this but if you own a restaurant if you on a tax accounting company award ever see a car dealership it can be anything if you only business and if you have insurance policy get it to us. We'll take a look at it and see if we can try to guide you through it. Okay you said e mail it newgate three people. But what's an address? What's the best email address to send these thing? I'll give you a couple of my email addresses bay for bill and then it's E. I l. a. n. d. at E. R. Law Firm. And that's all one word e R. Law firm DOT COM so it's be island at E. R. Law firm DOT COM. And then the the other email I would give you as my sister. Holly Jones and her email is h Jones at the same email address. E R LAWFIRM DOT COM and. I would send it to both of us because we are as everybody. You know. We're in different times right now. We are. I'm working from the house a good bit as I am right now but if you email you can you can. I think you. May you know people out. There may just want to shoot me an email and say. Hey Bill outcast. I've liked for you. Look at my policy. And then we'll make arrangements to get that policy either by email or they can make a copy mail through me copy and drop it off at the office but we will take a look at it and again there's no obligation and it's one hundred percent free of charge fantastic. I said next as this thing is gonNA escalate at sea in the future. I did a little research myself and what I saw. Was that the the proof of the interruptions going to be a lot of financial reporting how it was and how it is now and it reminded me here on the Gulf coast of going through for the big money reminded me and out another takeaway. I think for this show is too is if you do have a case and or your insurance saying no when you do start as saints about this minute state possibly mandating the business interruption insurance own encourage everybody to go ahead and give their financials in order. You don't know how as one reason I have the master classes that teach people how to get their financial information in order. Because you can't go somebody to somebody inside. Hey my business was interrupted. Give me some mind. You prove it numbers. No absolutely no what I would encourage. People is to get get ahead of this. Because like you mentioned I do believe the states. And maybe even the federal government or the mandate and force insurance companies to some degree to to pay these claims perhaps even if there's an exclusion in the in this covered you know. There's politicians out there right now. Trying to save their behinds On both sides of the aisle and so who who knows what's left the com- you know I do believe we're going to see several more stimulus packages. Some of this may be rolled into these. And but so it's it's it's best right now the jump on this and again. Good God I. I know that you know I wouldn't know the first thing about. I mean even you know. I'm a lawyer. May Allen Richie on our own firm. I don't know anything about this stuff is far as you know you could ask me a month and a half ago if I had a business interruption policy now that said I'm not sure because that's just not what I did. That's not my Kinda Forte. So to speak is is is not the nuts and bolts of the business side and a lot of people that own businesses restaurants or whatever it is. They're creative people that are there to to do whatever their craft is that they do and they let somebody else typically handle all the minutia of the business stuff and so just get somebody get. Get it to somebody. Let them take a look at it. We can walk it for just like Your Business. Everybody's were all protective well. The insurance companies are going to be protective over there. We sources a narrow reserves as well seven. This thing is now. We can't pay a claim. That's why we have insurance adjusters. You're right and you mentioned and I've I've been using that same example that you mentioned a little while ago been telling everybody is very similar to the BP oil spill however of course this is even bigger I believe is ours that financial just destruction that this thing is done. But unlike the there's no target defendant that you can. You can't sue the virus you know unlike you could be in. You can't sue the virus. There's been talk about you know. Well maybe we can China one day with that. You have a better chance of snow. Snowing in August and Alabama. How we've got things people can do is run once you are someone else like you I highly recommend new job. Been with the guys and I will good In the beginning of the arm Enjoyed Lacalle with you over the years and I really think a lot of UN Alan. And so I am going to send you mine exhaust policy so you can look that ever yet. Your Policy Tucson and bill's GonNa give his all his website contact Info in little bit and number to get ahead of the game and get on. Your financials financials. In order with Egypt may reach out reach out to your CPI sad ours. Reach out to get yourself in order in but number three. What can people do to get ready to go to the next phase of this thing that keeps changing you well? I don't know if it's a member three but it kind of goes back to number one. The business that we looked at their policy last week and we found that there was no virus exclusion and we are now at Because the insurance company had already denied liability. They said now. This is something different. Even though there is no virus exclusion they already denied so since we have the denial and and then we call the adjuster. I did and said Hey. You WanNa reconsider this. They said No. It's not covered on something like this. I didn't argue that do anything. But we're about to file class action lawsuit now against that particular insurance company on behalf of every business that they cover and it could be could be just local. It can be nationwide because they've they've already stepped in it and they we gave them a chance and they know very well that they should be covering on this situation but the reason they say no and again getting back to number one. If you're if you've been denied by your adjuster which you are going to be. Don't just take their word for just like in a car wreck or slip all or whatever just because they say well you don't have a case there. Unfortunately too many people go well. I guess I don't have a case. And then they just get it in a situation like this. You're going to get denied. You might as well look at it or get someone an expert to take a look at it to see if you do have a case because we're going to be a lot of people out there that don't think they have cases that are going to eventually have have any questions. I follow up on this. Because it's not gonna go anywhere is going to evolve is gonNA people are GonNa need more information so you know if you will likely to come you know. Come back on our listeners to either email main questions to Ascii or go to our website cheers the business dot com cheers on facebook. The questions and what's really get on this thing to make sure people are prepared that I think that's the biggest thing is people. Were not prepared for this said now we know about it. You're not in a row a Hannah Tom. So tell tell listeners. And Allan Allan Rich's contact information Yes thank you for that and and I will tell Say One more thing if the people that are like if you're listening right now you're not a business owner and you may say well this doesn't apply to me but if you have family members or friends our next door neighbors or whoever it is if you think this might apply to them please reach out the Bam and let them know because they may not know this and they they may not be listening to this podcast or seeing me on all so absolutely just reach out to anybody and everybody that you know this might apply to again. My name is Bill Island. It's EI land. My office number is two five one. Six six six to one two and again. My email address is be island at E. R. Law Firm DOT COM. And then you can also go to our website which is E. R. Law firm DOT COM and. I believe we facebook page as well. But you know anytime you need and then. I would encourage people to watch law call on on. Wb WE BEEN COMING on since two thousand six. We haven't missed a Sunday since two thousand six. We come on at ten thirty at night on Sunday right after the knees and as you can imagine the last four five weeks this is basically talking about all things Barris related not only business interruption. But also how it's affected the courthouse system and cases and child support orders than it's really done a number on a lot of different. Thanks so if you had any questions you can always call us We we Kinda know. The sounds Kinda hokey but we gotta eat the voice of reason in the legal voice in here no bill not screaming and shout and and jumping up and down and talking about how much money we got our class. We want people to in a because people are scared right now. We want to see if there's anything we can do for people we're dry. I think it's about being fair. Never I duNno that. Getting greedy never got anybody anywhere. We didn't already pay for it if I pay insurance in. And now it won't pay you not exclusion. I think I like late. Deserve to be paid. Absolutely you know I mean I hear this a lot people say you know. I had a woman come into my office last month. Who has been paying for twenty five years been paying for uninsured motorist coverage and she was hit by a person that had no insurance and so I told her said well. The bad news is person has no insurance. The good news is you have uninsured motorist coverage which will take care of this claim and she said Oh no no no no. I can't do that and I said why she said. Well I've been you know I I don't blame you to my insurance company. Didn't do anything wrong. So I'm not gonNA make a claiming we'll ma'am you've been paying for this insurance for over twenty five years and it's just for this particular occasion if the other side didn't have insurance and here you go and she said No. I don't think it's the right thing to do and I just I. I'm just amazed and she. She refuses to make a clean and but she's been paying for that insurance. So the point is like you said you WanNa get what you pay for? And if he's been paying premiums or something that applies then you should be able to be reimbursed under the terms of policy. We're not asking for companies to do anything other than what they're required today my campfire you know when I had the CPA firm on and file for BP had opened a petite thousand ten. But I didn't follow it because money off of it to me. That was wrong. That was unethically. I was not hurt by. I was helped by. So why should I benefit from it? Because I already was. I'm all about that. Would make preach class action ever ever ever and but this is a different ball game in this people's Livelihood. Being children were at a time but bill. Thank you so much for coming on the Xiao any last takeaways for people again. There's no reason to not reach out somebody on this again. It is not going to cost you a dime. Don't think that there's some kind of the bait and switch situation going on where you know you bring in the policy. And they were like we're like how we've got you now we're GonNa make much money off of this. That's not what is you. Give us the policy. We'll take a look at it. If we think you've got a potential playing we'll let you know and then we'll let you know what we think that she should do from that point. You may very well not have a claim but he may have again. You may have a claim in the future. What's the government gets involved and starts mandating some of these insurance companies to pay so. Go ahead get your ducks in a row. Now let me or someone take a look at your policy. And then we'll give you an assessment as to what you need to do in the future Glad you said that because I did think this is going to evolve with the state mandating and you know. I have Monday pages to see a consulting services and I've been putting. Sba P P. E. L. information out inside life to include this kind of information. If you can keep you posted an just forget listener. That'd be great. I we never show with cheers to. What are you say cheers to right now? This weird time years too long standing friendships business and regular. That's right exactly cheers the my family. We haven't killed each other yet. My wife and is a daughter lives in Chicago. And we were actually in Chicago in mid March For the Saint Patrick's Day parade. 'cause he finally had an off week and that's when all hell broke loose this thing and so we came back and then we brought her back with us because they've been completely shut down up there so it's been nice to have we've got daughter back. She she leaves probably at the end of this month and then ar signed. They shut down South Alabama. So he's he's at home so we're kind of the big happy family again and and we've made the most of it is bad. Obviously but there's some good takeaways you can have from this. Yes at the beginning if we chased. Look at it from the left or the right Dear it's all and I think there's some opportunities for people on here in the way you've been businesses. I decided to be right now. Also one thing about the families us all a joke online. That guy said he said of sitting on the looked over and I saw this pretty blind and come to find out. We've been married for twenty five years. She's not so bad after all so many more people are starting to get to know each other a little bit better. Maybe some not for the good you know. They say that the the soup professions that are going to do well on this or talks a lawyer unfortunately bankruptcy orders but also divorce lawyer so we'll We'll see what happens with this. That's right that's right. Thank you for coming on a sweetheart letty. When when when you come back please be sure to subscribe to cheers business. 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"A man Rhode Island shot himself in the scrotum last week while he was in bed to be fair. Did say I think I'M GONNA go hit the sack from Thirty Rockefeller Plaza in New York City. Please enjoy this podcast edition of late night with Seth Meyers. Today's show Seth tops. The Michael Moore. Michael takes a few more questions backstage studio g just for this podcast. Now get to the show. Tonight is the Academy Award. Winning filmmaker documentaries Roger and me bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit Karen Hi nine eleven his new podcast rumble with Michael Moore is available now. Please welcome back to the show. Michael Moore everyone it back. Thank you for having me back Tom. Your stage-managed just told me that. Don't get up after the I segment. Yeah because I might say for the second second yeah and I said that should be conditional only if I do well in this segment Gotcha. Should I be allowed to. That's very nice so so you won't be offended if when this first segment Enzo and I think it should be put to a vote in the audience when it gets there. Yeah no not pandering to you for your vote be honest we need it right now. Honesty he is very poor. You've been honest about a couple things one you have endorsed Bernie Sanders to you have encouraged Democrats to do the same. which is whoever the nominee the is you will support absolutely? Yes yes I saw all of us have we all that we are coming trump words from which one is he. He's usually watching camera. Yeah we are coming and we are large are it. Doesn't matter I mean seriously he. They had a poll last month a literal actual poll. Who would you vote for for trump or the Roomba the robot and the room but one room will run the Bloomberg one? So he's in. He's in deep trouble global. I WANNA I wanNA talk to you about where. You're at. As far as optimism versus pessimism. At first I wanted to get your take on when we talk about endorsements the New York Times endorsed Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar yesterday. I watched that it was a it was on their televised A show they have a TV show TV show on FX called the weekly weekly. Yes and I don't know why I'm giving it a plug because now I'm just gonNa say something awful. Oh you're GONNA you're GONNA unplug it. I just I just hadn't it turned it on last night. And it's I thought. The apprentice was back because they literally brought each of the Democratic candidates candidates into a boardroom Where they had to sit at the table and do like a dog and pony show for the editorial board of the New York Times editorial board because I frankly wish I had never seen? Don't you think of the editorial board of the New York Times you think of. It's like whole bunches of BRAINIAC people. Sure Yes oh you got to name. Newspaper want them to be smarter than you and then they go on Fx and you see what the process is like and you see them and they're like oh they're just like well like the band jokes. You know to know that we would live in a better country if the band could pick the endorsement of the next president of the United States. But it just kind of blew my mind that very human very human okay. Well that's fine and they are human being no but we need all the help we can get right now. Yeah and we don't need them. They started asking questions of the candidates. Like when was the. Who's the person that broke your heart? Who's the person that broke your heart? We're in deep right eight now. These aren't you afraid of Mitch McConnell. You know it's like you're are not gonna get any wars past. It was just. It was just. You didn't care for it but you do. Have you do have even though they weren't you do have some optimism right now. I I have optimism. I'll tell you I said after the twenty they endorsed closure into orange but I said after the sixteen election because nobody I kept saying Hillary got the most votes we need to keep in mind. Do not despair the majority of the country thinks like we do by three million votes and what we should do actually in twenty twenty. We should we. We should run one woman. We should run to women the ticket. The vice president and president on the ticket will be two women. Let's just double down on this down and you know all all the pundits own or you can't do that should they'll never get elected now and like. Oh Yeah I'll tell you right now. Every woman's one's GonNa vote every young person's GonNa vote and anybody anybody who's part of any group that has had the boot on their neck for most of their lives because they belong to a particular ethnic group a particular gender a particular age group. Everybody who knows that feeling will come out it for that. And it's it's so amazing to me that the youngest in all the polls the youngest voters eighteen to thirty five by a vast margin are four the oldest candidate. That's running. Yeah that's so amazing. That our young people because they know it's their future that we're really voting on this year. This is if we don't fix climate change like now we don't have four years right. We're done we're done done. And so they love what about what. They love about Bernie that he's fighting for their future. He will not relent. They know he can't be bought. He will not not give in and it's not his future he's fighting for it. He won't be around to see what's GonNa Happen to this planet. He is totally selfless on his part that that he is going to give his last years of his life. He's in the last quarter of his life. Can we say it's not I think. Well what does he seventy six known. Only seventy eight seventy eight. Yeah the last quarter because that's a perfectly fine thing to say. I hope he's not watching right now. The Way Ah you know you're saying you really want him to have the greatest quarter of his life. Maybe it'd be the best quarter. Yeah it's going to be what whatever Kansas City you're going to come back it's is GonNa be amazing. Yeah and I'm telling you that Bernie is going to get in there. He's the one candidate. Trump doesn't want to run against the trump stop. Well that's interesting. Because Donald Trump keeps speaking very highly of Bernie. Yes and in order to think he wants to run about against Bernie. That would require you to think that he's playing sort of people always say about trump three D chess S. which I don't think it's the case. Yeah that that requires us on a very surface level you could assume that his praise for Bernie is a way for are him. He doesn't want to run. He's afraid of him. gotcha remember the bully. which trump was and always has been the bullies always afraid of that which will bring the bully down now? It's the kid on. The scorecard is going to stand up to the bully. That's the bullies last day of Bowling anybody and that is Bernie Sanders. He will not relent he will not back down and and he will take care of trump in such a beautiful Brooklyn White Way as I. I and I want to be Queens Brooklyn versus Queens with all due respect to the borough of Queens Advantage Brooklyn do you Michael to come back for another segment. We're here with more. I want to talk about impeachment. I think last time you were here. We were talking about the some people are saying. Is this even worth it. The sentence never gonNA impeach impeach him. Why are the Democrats wasting time and attention on this? You thought that was foolish. Then you thought it was worth it to impeach. How do you feel like like it's GonNa play out now I well? I think I understand how everybody thinks. There's no hope short. I'm not that person. I'm not the person that thinks I mean. I think it was worth it but I think there's no hope the Senate will vote two and half. The audience is in the French Resistance. Okay and yes. Yes the tanks are twenty miles outside of Paris. Okay but we don't stop and we don't give up and we fight back and this is our country and it's not going to be taken away from by people who hate democracy back so so okay so I think I actually think there is a sliver of a chance that we could convict and remove Donald Trump in the senate and I sent it out for him. Okay I'M GONNA give very quickly. There are fifty three Republican senators in order to remove him. We need twenty of the fifty three to vote with us so trump can keep hit the majority the thirty three Republicans just tell them he's got the majority Republicans with them a thirty-three we need twenty twenty and I'm going to say there was ten in Senate Republicans that have a conscience that are religious real religion real Mitt Romney they real beliefs and and he disgusts them. Trump discussed the real religious yen's they're very belief system And I think there's ten of them like that and I think there's another ten or afraid they're gonNA have their asked removed from the Senate in the next election or this election or the one after that six year terms. They don't WanNA lose their job. And here's how we make them vote the right way. We need witnesses in this trial. John Bolton has to be a witness and let me tell you why John Bolton opposite politics me but I believe he has an honest person to himself and his beliefs. He's got a conscience and he will not perjure himself and if the Democrats will ask him this question that server that secret service in the White House where they hid the Ukrainian phone call. Aw and we only know about it because the whistle blower right what else is on that server. What else because does anybody in this audience really believe that in three years the trump administration only one time did Donald Trump? Say or do something that broke the law. No no there's got to be so much stuff stop on that server and I'm telling you if they bring that they bring that server into the US Senate and they play. What else that jared and Stephen? The Miller hid server during these three years. I mean it could be. It's could be such awful awful stuff. People will put away the Rand McNally's and stop looking. Were Ukraine is on on on the map because this stuff is going to be awful and if it's that awful enough Republicans to save their seat or to answer to their God we'll go. This is a bridge too far. This is so much criminal activity. I'd no idea this was going on how is the PODCAST game trade. You do enjoy it. I really just kind of started just four five weeks ago it had. It's two millionth download unload this weekend. Blow my mind it's I love doing it I I I love the idea of sound. Yeah because whenever. I'm asked to speak at a film school. I always tell. The students sound is more important than picture. The audience will forgive these cameramen. That camera may jiggle. It might be you know the little Focused occasionally whatever whatever. The probably doesn't care watching this if the sound dropped out. Where's our person if the sound drops out right now and we're just like your cable sound? Don't there's homegrown looking at seth and Michael New podcast. This is Henry late night. Here's Michael Moore Michael. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me back. And and and can we make the announcement now. Seth just told me. Take my podcast. Very well Michael He. He grabbed me coming off the scene. Don't say that no I do and ask you about your podcast. Because you've been on this podcast many times but this is the first time doing our podcast with your own podcast rumble. which is excellent? I know what you're trying to say here that because I've done this so much and have enjoyed enjoyed it so much as it might have played into creating an idea in my head that you know what Henry can do this. This is really not that high Mike. Yeah and that's John Henry to a good school. What school did you go to? NYU with them. Why where'd you grow up Chicago? Great City I love. I live on Lake Michigan. We shares her. But okay. So you're good people and and you and did you do while at Nyu. I do. Well I actually have no memory of it so many they were talking about. GPA and I have no it was. I think it was line. Everybody Remembers I. Have we know it here. How about you guys? You've do. You forgot no one in this room talking to the engineer and the sound guy. No you did not go to college. High School degree I remember my GP GP a AH well at the end of my senior year. Sorry I had a rough senior year. I flunked math. Okay I I. I flunked English really. That was only because while we had to write a paper on hamlet and the teacher like a lot. Sadly some teachers back then especially you had the re. The paper has to be the way your teacher interpreted the play. Now you that was never going to fly with me. So I wrote a like a Forty Page dissertation Tation on hamlet and it comes back with a big zero at the top of it and he said I told you to listen in class to what this play why is really about and I stood up and I said and I wasn't the only one that got screwed us. I said well I have to tell you something. You're about to listen. Listen to what happens to teachers. Behave like this. Anybody WanNa come with me. I'm going to the principal's office and there were like eighteen. Under nineteen kids in the class and nine of them came with me and we sat in the principal's office until the principal would see us and deal with this deal with this this matter because if education is not about encouraging us as teenagers to think what are we doing here. This is really interested to learn about so a few years after high school in doing radio in Flint. Yes just a year just a year of doing Radio Free Flint but perfect perfect title for an early Michael Moore Radio show has. That's right that's right on the nose. What was it radio show lake? It was pretty crazy. It was on the local rock and roll stations the Number One rock station in Flint. If that means anything anybody but but it it had the guy who ran. The station was a genius. His name was Peter. C cavenaugh He's still with us not in flint anymore but but he this. This guy was like He's known as really as for the station. There was the first station to play the WHO in North America. And he brought the. Who's before anybody knew who was brought the Hutu Flint for concert? And it is if there are any out there it's in flint where Keith Moon. The drummer. The WHO drove the car into the swimming pool at the Holiday Inn. That's amazing. I had no idea that. was you ever heard that I've heard so it's a well known rocky out the the sound guy knows the story so because it's all of our dreams actually to drive a Cadillac into the pool at the Holiday Inn right not all of us okay Chicago. What is driving a cadillac? You moved to New York. And then you've got all come on you holy Jacobo or like I believe people must Chicago are crazy and we'll do. We'll do in Michigan. Yeah okay that's fair. Yes I always enjoy talking to you. I'm I am now serious yet the Times I've done this with you and and and when you see this because I'm going to I'm going to create this his pants podcast empire all right starting with rumble which we going out and We're GONNA have a podcast from a cell block B at Attica prison Up in upstate. New York and we're GONNA prisoners voice. They're going to be say what they want to say. And we'll try not to give away. What sell their their podcasting from Just to let you know. Nothing happens to them but we're going to do. This was based on partly what you and I did a number that we went for a walk. We walked to a theater. We walked to my theater. Show so we're going to. We're going to start up. A podcast called the walk show and and has been the talk show the walked on the entire thirty minutes or however long it is we'll be walking and talking with me and and everybody you can do it because you will have no problem keeping up so so thank you. Don't come for ten percent of the show know because as you know podcasts. Hawk Esser free. That's right so do walks. We did a walk to the other one we went to. You made your absentee ballot. You went with. You voted with my voted with you. Legally legally wasn't like there were two ballots stuff Andrey in a fedex envelope now that was wonderful. This show is great and I just want to say. Say something I said to you. Before we turn the microphones on this This show is so smart. I enjoy coming on the show. I liked the other shows. Don't get me wrong about this but Seth is a very special person and the way he thinks he thinks like a writer. That's what I noticed. Absolutely it is truly a delight to have you here Michael thanks. He's run to have you on the show to do this. PODCAST with you and I'm so excited that now you have your own podcast well thank you going to do. It's I'm going to be excited to do this. podcast with south. Thanks thanks okay. 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Make sense of it all in a few minutes. We'll be talking to Ross carver. CNN legal analyst. Who has extensive experience litigating eating impeachment charges? But I I'm joined by my colleague who has been absolutely all over the impeachment beat CNN reporter producer Marshall Cohen. Welcome back to the PODCAST Marshall. Thank you David. So Marshall we learned today more concrete details about what this is going to look like tomorrow as the impeachment inquiry sorry Basically goes prime time. I know it's during the day but I mean I is going to become a public television show tomorrow What what is that GONNA look like? Yeah you know primetime during the daytime this going to be huge you think about the history of the Donald Trump presidency and you can think about some major moments on Capitol Hill Right Robert Muller James Call Me Brad Kavanagh you can add some additional names tomorrow So that's GonNa be Bill Taylor and George Kent Two men who worked for the State Department career officials not trump appointees They're going to tell their story. So it all kicks off tomorrow morning ten. AM and You know the committee has laid out how it's GonNa look and how it's going to sound Adam Schiff the Democrat from California. He's going to be running the show. The Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee sitting beside him Although they're not in line with very much but they will sit. Side by side is Devon Nunez the top Republican on the committee they'll be bringing totally different perspectives tomorrow. So they'll give their opening statements. They'll set the table setting and then The witnesses will be sworn in under oath right. I mean it seems kind of procedural see jewel but you know they have to tell the truth by law. They could be punished for not telling the truth. So just keep that in mind tomorrow while you're watching that these are people that have the courage to come up get sworn in and tell the entire world what happened and what their understanding of events really was and different than other hearings That maybe listeners have gotten accustomed to watching the chairman chairman and the ranking member are going to have forty five minutes each to sort of prosecute the case if you will or at least Elicit the the testimony that they're looking for and they can Do with those forty-five minutes how they would like before they start passing the baton off to all the endless members committee that each get five minutes shots to make sure they get their local press releases in their pop on local. TV and all the things that members of Congress do in high profile hearings like this. But we haven't seen this before and some other hearings where the the chairman and the ranking member really. Take a big chunk of time to lay out a narrative. It's going to be different and and you know we've been hearing and it seems pretty clear that the ranking member and the chairman bill they'll take their their shots and they'll ask their questions but they're also going to devote wrote a good chunk of that opening period to their staff To ask the questions Staff members for the majority in the minority have already. You've been questioning witnesses for the past month behind closed doors. They know these transcripts inside and out they're not elected officials right so they don't need that Thirty the second sound bite. They want that Damning testimony and they know how to get it because they're the ones who again. Were doing all the questions questions behind closed doors. So it's GonNa be different because you're going to see folks on TV that you probably haven't seen before and they're definitely not going to be a household name but we've seen seen in some previous hearings earlier this year that they're actually better at this than the lawmakers and they're better at asking quite direct questions chance to get direct answers instead of just looking for that Youtube clip that they can post on their homepage. You know we live in such polarized and partisan times we are so so a custom in the trump era too so much noise in the hourly or quarter hourly any new cycles that we live in. But I think we can't sort of underestimate as you stated at the top Marshall the moment of history three here we shouldn't underestimate it is no small thing to begin And pursue the impeachment of the president of the United States of America and it ease I know it can feel small in today's back and forth But it's actually quite quite huge in historic tomorrow. You nailed it. I mean consider where we are. Only this'll be the third time in the history of this country entry which has been around for hundreds of years. And there's been forty five presidents forty five men that have sat and Donald trump shoes and and He will be the the third person to ever have to turn on his TV Like Andrew Johnston didn't have a TV back in the day but he'll be third president. US history to ever have to read about his own impeachment at to have to grapple with this This crisis for him and for his White House. It's totally historic You wrote an amazing piece today to sort of set up the arguments and the pieces of narrative that we're going to hear tomorrow and through in the weeks ahead and all this testimony and he's sort of broke get up. I thought no wise way you sort of said here. The things that are out there that are going to be used in the case for impeachment and here are the data points out there that are going to be used in the case against against impeachment. Can you give us a couple of highlights from each column first off. Let me say I'm not trying to create some false balance here right. There's a few things on both sides but big picture it looks like the Democrats have compiled a pretty strong case for the accusations that they're prepared to make so you know diving into it. Democrats Democrats have said first and foremost. The President has solicited a foreign country to get involved in our democracy. That's wrong it's an abuse of power. It goes against against what the framers of the Constitution wanted. One expert told me this is precisely what they invented impeachment to deal with something like this. So that's GONNA be part of their case they're going to hone in on the pre quid pro quo They've got testimony in their back pocket from a handful of key witnesses that I said I was there. I understood and the Ukrainians understood that they needed to do x Y and Z to get what they wanted from the White House right. You know the Military Harry assistance and a visit Not only that but Democrats also have been saying the president every time one of his people ignored a subpoena or doesn't hand over documents. It's it's ironclad proof of obstruction. That's what Democrats are saying. They did uh back in the Nixon era bringing articles of impeachment against him in the Committee for obstruction auction. Yep Adam. Schiff has been saying that he is basically looking his lips do that again. He's done a lot more than hinting. I will say on the flip side of your in the other side of your peace. Whichever one should go read at CNN DOT COM? Check out Marshall Cohen's piece I thought Rick Santorum's comments in your piece about The scope of authority president has when it comes to sort of the foreign policy area. I'll just read the quote here. This is from CNN contributor attributed Former Republican senator from Pennsylvania. Rick Santorum. You're taking a president and you're going after him for an abusive authority in an area where it's almost impossible to abuse authority because he has almost absolute authority in that area. It's just a big reach for them. He went on to say and I I when I read that. I thought you know I'm intrigued. By that argument. That's what we're going to hear Republicans say that that they're going to try to carve out this zone of policy policymaking sort of an absolute authority for the president right and I think it's contested among the legal community whether or not the president has those absolute powers definitely it would be a good rhetorical argument to make But yeah I mean Senator Santorum made a good point and I was chatting with him and he said look Nixon I'm like okay. It was obvious right. They're breaking in there stealing stuff. Those are campaign finance slush funds. Those were clear criminal violations. Bill Clinton we. Everyone pretty much agreed that he lied under oath and asked other people to commit perjury. So those are clear crimes were here with Donald Trump. It's not necessarily a crystal clear your crime and it comes under diplomacy foreign policy that the president's in our country over the years have had a lot of authority to to delegate. Okay okay stare at their Marshall. We're GONNA take a quick break when we're back. We're going to be joined by C. N. N. legal analyst and impeachment expert. Ross garber right after this. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning winning dot com slash CNN. Hey everyone it's poppy harlow in this week's episode boss files. A conversation with San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly. She has a remarkable story of resilience and define the Ondes dropped out of college at fifteen years old donut shop and then turned it all all around get her PhD day. She is responsible for crowding. US monetary policy. It's an important conversation. Hope you find it fascinating and I did check it out and welcome back to the daily. DC Impeachment Watch. I'm David Chalian. Reporter Marshall Cohen is still with me. And we're pleased to welcome welcome. CNN legal analyst. Ross garber thanks so much for being here. Ross it's going to be here. I believe that we are going to hear a lot. And I believe this. With good authority because the House Republicans issued in eighteen page memo. Today's sort of laying out what we're going to hear in the arguments to defend the president. But I think we're going to hear a lot about that. There's no evidence that goes to the President's intent. I I think we're going to start hearing a lot about what his actual frame of mind and intention in was It seems I'll just read you from the conclusion of this memo and get your take on it It says here that The summary If this is from the House Republicans they put out this memo today the summer and this is their conclusion. The summary of President Trump's conversation with President Alinsky gene reflects no conditionality or pressure and the Linski himself said he felt no pressure. Trump never raised US security assistance to Alinsky and ultimately the assistance was released and a presidential meeting occurred without Ukraine investigating the president's political rival. Simply put the the evidence gathered to date does not support the democratic allegation that president trump pressured Ukraine to investigate the president's political rivals those for his benefit in the twenty twenty presidential campaign. What do you make of that? Yeah so You know I read the Republican memo to And I think going to be four main defenses. One is that the house process is defective. I think we should expect to hear that from Devon Nunez tomorrow and some of the other members the the second is that It goes to the President's intent. The president reasonably believed there were corruption problems in Ukraine That he was trying to address an in that conclusion and I wrote down. What I thought was very significant from that conclusion you read from is that that the house? Republicans said that trump had a deep seated genuine and reasonable skepticism toward Ukraine. That is is a phrase you see actually a couple of times in the memo. Maybe it's two maybe three. Keep an eye on that quote. That's going to be a key. Part of the defense third is that trump didn't insist on a quid pro quo And especially with respect to to aid if anybody was out there trying arrange a quid pro quo doesn't go to the president and then finally no harm. Foul Ukraine. Got The eight. I think that's that's going to be what we see tomorrow from the Republicans and I mean this is a silly question. I guess to some extent. It's not like any of those Republican. Any of those arguments are gonNA hold water with the majority of the Democrats who we'RE GONNA end up voting in the house on articles of impeachment but the question is do you think those arguments are strong enough to keep the Republicans in the Senate when a trial gets there from defecting from the president are the answer is I think so but I'm not even there yet because I I think I think it's going to be very interesting interesting. This is a very fluid situation. I mean you know I think back six months ago. I don't think any of US would have predicted. We would be here so I'm not taking anything. Anything is a foregone conclusion. I think the most interesting thing to do now is to watch the American people see if there's movement among in among core constituencies among the electorate And then also see what happens with you know. Moderate Republicans and more importantly Lee moderate Democrats. See if if Pelosi can hold on to her caucus to vote in favor of impeachment and see whether she can pick off any Republicans even even before we get to the Senate. That's what I'm looking for. Wow you're not even sold. That articles of impeachment are going to pass out of the house. Was I think it is very likely Pelosi as votes to do it right very very very very likely but okay but let me say this if we get to a point and it's two three four five weeks hence and public opinion hasn't moved and remember you know not a single Republican voted to even authorize this impeachment investigation and two Democrats. Even voted voted against. I think there is a chance small chance but a chance that we should keep an eye out for that. If not a single Republican votes in favor of impeachment and and Pelosi doesn't get her caucus and maybe even loses some members in addition to those two maybe maybe some people are going to be asking her to look for an off ramp You know that's pretty intriguing possibility. I think a counterpoint to that would be that a lot of Democrats were watching closely Last last week at the elections across the country trying to test out whether or not donald trump was right when he kept saying that. You know impeach me all you want. This is just going to REV UP MY BASE REV up my people they're going to come out in droves because they're upset that you're trying to kick me out it didn't really materialize Yeah I am. Let's be clear. I'm not saying my scenarios the likely scenario right. But I don't think it's a crazy scenario and I think it's wanted to keep an eye on and and and we know speaker. Pelosi has been concerned about talking about impeachment as a way to motivate the base. Yeah so many months. That's right and I I. I would assume because the Democrats have data showing that people vote because of jobs they vote because a healthcare they vote because they vote for because all these these things and maybe maybe you know impeachment. Maybe Ukraine isn't one of those things that either moves undecided. Voters are gets Democrats. That's author balls. Ross I want you to hear what Kellyanne Conway the adviser to the president. said this morning on Fox News And about why she thinks wchs. These hearings are not going to go the way the Democrats expect them to go and then tell me which one of your main arguments defense you Kellyanne Conway is fitting into here. Here she is every witness this up there so far has said I assumed I interpreted. It's conjecture I heard it from. Somebody heard it from somebody heard it from somebody and here. Here's my interpretation. Folks that is not how we impeach and remove presidents who are democratic elected. That's how the cheerleaders find out which which one of them is going to be asked to the prom by the quarterback. Look at from cheerleaders and quarterbacks. I wasn't a quarterback Wasn't on the football team but I don't think that's going to be one of the key selling points and and and these are the just to be clear. These aren't my point. These are the house. Republicans I argued which of these of those four main arguments. You think she's trying to fit into here. Jeez I I think I think I think this may be sort of a different one. Okay and I think one of the challenges is you know. There isn't a cohesive coherent defense defense coming out of the White House Because I think there's still a lot we don't know and I think the Republicans and the president may not think that there needs to be one yet. You know really right now. The Republicans are probably doing this kind of pulling blocks etta Jenga Tower because it's the Democrats that have to build that tower to meet that high bar of impeachment. And you know no wonder. You're struggling to sort of fit Kellyanne into the house. Democrats into the House House Republican defense. Because as you said David they're operating on slightly different planes. You know what's not in those Republican House. Republican talking points is that this was a perfect perfect phone call with Ukraine and the president has been begging and pleading with them to make that case. If you look at his tweets he is asking in his allies to make that case that it was a perfect call they even printed up t shirts right at his rallies that say read the transcript. They're not making that case. Yeah they're making a similar case but they are not saying there's a perfect call and I wonder if as we get deeper into this and trump doesn't hear what he wants to hear you're from his allies in Congress that they may be taken more You know a more disciplined in legalistic approach as opposed to his PR approach. Is he going to get upset. Ross why do you think that a perfect calls not listed in those talking points I think it's because it's going to be tough to say it's a perfect call all because it's not just about the call and the perfect call does not explain rudy. You know the the the president's personal lawyer is running around conducting diplomacy seemingly with the president's blessing on behalf of the United States a perfect call. Defense it does not explain rudy at all. You've got to go to a different approach to explain Rudy Fascinating Marshall Final question for you looking forward to next week. Yeah I know we've got Taylor and Kent tomorrow who you looking forward to next week on the witness. Stand that you think is gonNA drive this entire saga. Yeah I mean Democrats clearly think this is phase one you know and tomorrow is going to be enormous. But they've got stuff up their sleeve for next week. I really think you're going to hear the names Fiona Hill a lot and Alexander Veneman. Those are two officials Formerly and currently at the White House National Security Council these are experts career folks. I military people that know. Actually what they're talking about when it comes to Russia and Ukraine and I read hundreds of pages of transcripts. It was damning stuff so we'll we'll see that publicly probably as soon as next week. Marshall Ross thank you so much for joining me on the daily. DC Impeachment Watch and thanks to our listeners. We've got a new episode for you every weeknight so please make sure to subscribe on Apple. 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The Jets Eek Out Their 5th Win And The NFL's Officiating Is A Real Problem
"Live from the Investors Bank studio boomer Assias in Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo on the fan simulcasts across the country on CBS. Sports Network Coca Monday morning yesterday. Jetson dolphins field goal a Palooza at metlife stadium and the jets walkaway away. Victors and the feeling around the team. So different with them winning that game and losing that game but really. That wasn't what yesterday was about. There was great great football happening all over the place bills and ravens the forty niners and saints later in the day with the chiefs and Patriots and I have not been screaming about the officials officials as much as everybody this year because I just feel like every single year. It's part of the deal like you're gonNA get screwed a bunch of times you're going to be the benefit of the other team. I'm getting screwed a bunch of times and there's never going to be an answer however yesterday was talked to take the reason it's tough to take is because there's no no consistency and now this pass interference review that you couldn't get one of these things overturn if you held official by gun point now all of a sudden automatic change in Alabama head coach and. I'm Brian Florez. And I'm bill belichick. I am Cole in the League. The second that I wake up I roll over. I hit the snooze button and then dial river on and say you schmuck. You're killing me. You're killing me and my team. Good morning our you doing doing a lot better than you are. Obviously you're right. I mean it wasn't just those who games there. Were Games all over the League yesterday. As our every week where there are just mind bogglingly ainley inconsistent calls. And that's the thing that really frustrates. Everybody so you have a call in the jet game that gets overturned by the replay office. Because it's under two minutes and Brian. Floors is going to have an aneurysm on this island and get it right. I totally get where he's coming from. Because I guarantee you there's probably five or six times if not more during born the season the same thing has happened to them and they did not get the benefit of the replay review review from Park Avenue Guaranteed and then later on in the day. You see Philip Door said basically get mauled at the five yard line of the New England patriots. And because it's outside of two minutes and because Bill Belichick is used both of his challenges ages and get one back he can't challenge play in that place stands so that's the inconsistency part of it like with the. Nfl Fan is like okay. That's obviously pass it appearance appearance. We all know what clear and obvious is but there's only one arbiter of all of that and that's river. Ronnie down changed in. His opinion is changing. Saying yes the bigger problem so beginning of the season I four five weeks. You'll a defensive back could be stabbing a wide receiver. A something does get cold. They review it. Does it get overturned now. All of a sudden you're getting buzzed down from the top to review pass interference under two minutes and they're actually overturning. Earning the thing at a critical point in the game with a winner loss. I mean that's that's why head coaches if would've stayed the same. We're none of these things. We're going to get reviewed an an overturned unless it was something like a playoff game like we saw with the saints. You know that'd be one thing but that's not I mean and this is why the NFL like last year or two years ago with the the Patriots and Eagles how a catch changed in the postseason. Nets right Edina jeans territory by the way who refereed that super bowl game and it was correct clement. I think that's right. So he goes through the end zone with a kind of a catch at sliding to his hands. The Patriots Defensive Backs Role Signal. An incomplete fleet incomplete incomplete because they had seen that happen earlier when they play buffalo that season and then all of a sudden that playoffs. And now there's a conversation between between gene stereoty tour the referee and the the replay review guys our river on. And they're having this discussion gene. Stir tour you know. It was like dude. I am not overturning. This this is a touchdown. In my eyes I will say the gene stirred towards a western. Pa Guy the only reason I say that is because he's grown up around football football his entire life and he understands the game of football now you may not like him as a broadcaster. I like them because I sit there and I can get really deep into the weeds with him and I can understand where the officials are coming from. I don't want to sit here dump on them all the time but it seems like every week we get to this. Point and games aims are officiated differently from game to game to game so when I'm sitting there at CBS and we have ten games on. And we're watching the games and I see one play overruled and and it's called pass interference or whatever and then another play in another game. That looks almost absolutely. The same way does not get called. Because it's outside of two minutes or or the coaches lost. His reply flags on Mike. So the Games are being shaded differently depending on the circumstance which is really really tough to take when your head coach in your fan and you're watching these games and the biggest thing like what you think when you have a day like yesterday I think all right. What does what's really important here? What's important here is so? You've got certain teams that we're talking about seeding we're talking about home field or maybe not home field talking wild card weekend. Maybe a by got that from a fan standpoint. One thing that we I didn't want to see whether you are rams fans Saints Fan. Football fan was the wrong team going to the super bowl because of a terrible and now I think there is more fertile ground for that to happen again then there was before they change things after what happened last year. It certainly certainly feels that way. And I Somebody who's been living and breathing this now for twenty years in watching it and commenting on it. It's just it's just really frustrating. I mean and and yesterday day we all were watching the Patriots game and you know nobody feel sorry for the Patriots. The Patriots got near Sheriff calls over the years. We all know that but honestly I mean you have the Travis Kelsey fumble tumble where they blow the whistle. That probably was going to be a scoop and score if not maybe down by the fifteen or tenure that's the most egregious forget about the most most egregious one was the Nikiel Harry. One on the sideline where he catches. The past does not step out of bounds. Bill Belichick has lost his challenges because they mis misread. What are the replays? And that one should have been a touchdown so those plays actually came essentially within the same set of down. MEANING THAT IF Steve Stefan Gilmore would've scored they were kicked off to the cheese however they got the ball off at least they got that part of it right and they did go down and they did score score was fired by the miscall by the referee so they had to settle for a field goal. There's another inconsistent thing. I thought these guys were trained and taught these officials not blow the whistle. When there's a assurance of doubt in ounce of doubt? Don't blow the whistle and then see what happens because we know what you blow it. So plays Dead Kate Review it and and then all of a sudden you got what you got I mean. How many times have we seen this this year? I mean it's been three or four times where you've had a turnover. That wasn't a turnover. I forget the game specifically was a quarterback quarterback or no it was the punter remember fake punt. The Punter got laid out and then he actually got the first down but he fumbled the ball and then they called them down and blew the whistle. Might I forget it might have been a browns game. Modern even remember but these things happen all the time. That's one where Bill Belichick had a US a challenge flag because they blew the whistle early. And that's one of the reasons why he didn't have a challenge. Flag left for the kill Harry touchdown and why he didn't have a have challenged flag left for the Phillips set interference call so I look again. I'm not sitting here saying that. I feel sorry for anybody. 'cause I don't but I do hate the fact that coaches ages and players feel like they had the game taken away from them because of a couple bed calls the other thing like for instance in the City New England game. Patrick Mahomes is running. And he runs runs out of bounds and dont`a hightower throws them to the ground and he almost hits. The heating machine on the sideline. Which is Valerie? No no nine data. Ten there's a flag on that play here roughing the passer. For some reason. There was no flag on that. Play a Mike. How do you not throw the flag on on hightower? When he's taking Patrick Mahomes? WHO's two steps steps out of bounds? Already and you throw them to the ground. Yeah I mean things like that. Every week you you're scratching your head. I just and I know that there's really no way of it getting better but the problem that I have now is it's gotten worse I mean I was okay with it being just status quo bad link. You're going to have to deal with this every week. It's a tough job in HD replays and it's difficult whatever but now they have found a way in the off season to make officiating worse and more confusing with the stupid pass. Interference interference thing and I don't know if I'm a head coach. I was told in the beginning of the year. Don't you dare throw that challenge flag on a pass interference. Because we're knocking overturn it. That's that's just waiting and a lot of coaches probably. Don't throw it simply because of what you're saying and now that's changed. Now you gotta start throwing it again but no but see. The problem is is that under under two minutes. It changes I now all of a sudden. You're no longer in charge of making that call. Somebody at the stadium is going to buzz down and look at that call now. Is that because someone at. The stadium isn't official and that officials could be passed interference. Yes when it's a coach at that was a challenge leg it's like challenging. The officials don't want to say that air wrong about remember when you're under two minutes coaches but the challenge flags away. Yeah no I know that so now becomes replay reversal of course by the by the League and by the saying our the officials more prone to once they buzzed down make gay reversal. Because it's not the actual coach's challenge because if it was the actual coach's challenge then they give to admit fault. You know what I'm saying. The Guy who makes that decision is the guy in New York right not the guy. But they're all they're all working together. Well there's supposedly having a conversation and everything else but I I don't know man I. I saw calls into San Francisco and New Orleans game where I could sit here and say tell you that New Orleans screwed again again yesterday in their building. I mean look and that was an unbelievable game. That was unbelievable. Game the Tampa cult game was an unbelievable game that was back back and forth. Jameis Winston. Patrick Mahomes is going to have his right hand. x-rayed today. He heard his hand yesterday. He played with with basically Gli the inability to grip the football. Yesterday right. Yeah they only scored the score three points in the second half so you could tell. He wasn't one hundred percent but I mean it's it it just you wake up this morning and you're frustrated. I mean if you're a jet. You're happy you're team won. You got the five wins. You've got to really short week now and you gotTa go pay a little more Jackson Thursday night. It's not going to be easy easy. But they won the game and Sam Darnold brought him back with the help of a replay and they kicked the game winning field goal so good for them. You know for for San Thicken and good for the jets that they hung in there and they beat a team that they should be at home now. It should have been worse than that. I thought I don't know what's going on with this offense. It goes from scorn. Born thirty four points in three straight games barely scorn at all right and a couple of stray weeks. I mean it really is amazing. How evenly matched these teams? I I do think that believe it or not. I think the jets are better without Levian Bell on the field. Oh I don't know why I feel that way but they haven't been forcing Levian Belle of the ball though and that's one of the things that you could never really really get going. It's not like they were beholden to me. I remember there's been years past. Have a guy like an Adrian Peterson in his prime. And it's always gotta get X.. Amount of carries or. We're not doing it right right. I don't feel like the jets have done that with Levy on Bell I mean they but but also this times that they scored all those point he was on the field to. Yeah I just for some reason. He his knockout on track and for the amount of money they're paying him and the impact that that had areas. That's what I'm talking about a man it's just you know. He's a a model citizen by all accounts right he trade. The Guy Though really is what I don't know if you can't trust you with the money that he's due next year who's GonNa want that WHO's GonNa WanNa take on that a contract with the season that he's had they wanna tell me that you're a team with a great offensive line. Says we put them behind this offense of line as opposed to what the jets have and it sort of recreate create the steelers situation with him and he could be more patient he could be the guy that he was then. We'll we'll take on that that contract I mean maybe CSSR CSSR team. That ran the ball thirty two times. That's good that's a good thing you know they. They stayed with it. They wanted to run the ball. And you know it's one of the reasons why. Yeah maybe they only scored twenty two points but you had to settle for field goals all damn day long. I felt like but I don't know they've ran the ball yesterday and Levy on bell was not a part of Kvamme Joe. Douglas one of the first things I try to do this off. Season is get rid of that contract if I can. I just don't believe that that's a tradable contract. There's just some guys is out there. That are just difficult to move but listen I'm with you. I think that free up that money they need they need offensive linemen and I know Robbie Aniston and a pretty good game yesterday. They if they could get a top line receiver but they need offense. Allow you know damn well. That's exactly what you know. Douglas this is GonNa do and you're going to see this. Offense line is going to really struggle against against Baltimore this weekend or Thursday night. I mean I mean you saw what Baltimore's defense that Josh Josh Allen last night or yesterday yeah he had a couple of guys that he missed. I mean he he sometimes gets a little bit too revved up and you only got his team back late and they had a chance to tie but still he did not play good for the three quarters against that Baltimore Defense. I tell you the last two weeks to not like the Ravens Blue anybody out but I think the victories that they showed told us last week against the niners in this week up in buffalo or the most impressive that all year I mean did to have that grinded out game against the forty niners and how good they are and then the last second field goal and game winning drive and to go up to Buffalo Buffalo's got extra days at places crazy. That's a playoff team and to be able to go narrow win. I mean that they're the best team in the NFL right now. I I really believe that the Baltimore Ravens are the best team the NFL the NFC is stacked it's much deeper but the best team resides in the AFC. I I agree with you and I and I it's all going to go through Baltimore now in the AFC. Yeah most likely most likely they had this thing locked up for the number one seed the question for a New England now they play New England poise a Cincinnati this week in Cincinnati and then they have buffalo at home and then they finish finish with Miami. The question is can they hang onto the number two seed in at least get a by. That's really the big question for them. Kansas City is going to win the West. The most most likely going to be the third seed unless New England gets tripped up here somewhere along the line and Kansas City finishes out winning and get into twelve and four. Yeah New England's gotTa win out because of course what's the tiebreaker. Yesterday went in favor of the head of Kansas City. So they've got to win out. Basically is the way it goes. They drop one more in. Kansas City. Ends up winning. We'll see what happens with the mahomes homes injury. I was that man I watched it. How was it sees really great man? He's he's a tremendous kid. He's everything that you know. I would hope that he would have been from the time that we had them in here. Back prior to the draft and what he's grown into quite the young man. Yeah I'm sorry is just the way it is now. I see that the thing is signed there. Yes yes the boomer mahomes picture with regard and he goes. He didn't even remember that it was done in a heart. I said well. The partners at the radio station gave it to me. As was that a Christmas gift or birthday it was just a gift gift just as the random gifts just because yeah so he he He was great. You you know they got off the plane Some of the bags to Jersey and he decided He came right to the interview and he was great he was really engaging and he was ready for and look forward to it. It was good. Well you got to sign your side of it now to really give value because as you said from one. MVP to another you gotta both beyond there you have to. Maybe we'll say not maybe half deal see and then we have to take that out of the studio every day and lock it in your office because someone will take that we'll take it all of of course you kidding me that things valuable right there that because that's a one of a kind thing. Yeah okay there's some value there auction item. It would be. We're not going to auction that off. Dan Right there the boomer Esiason Foundation. Good right well we know we got to leave it right there. That's one of those right where it is very good.
#1031 Find A Stranger, Put Your Bike In His Van, And Let Him Drive You Home
"Thanks for listening to the atom and Dr drew show on podcast one. The iphone ten are is here at T mobile, and there's a whole lot of love like taking those perfect new year new portrait mode, selfish going share. It's the best way to stay connected to everyone you'll heart most in twenty nine so get ready to fall in love with by phone ten are on team. Oh, the most loved and wireless. Call one eight hundred t mobile to learn more. Visit a store today. Recorded live at Corolla one studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. Dr drew Pinski. You're listening to the atom. Dr drew show get it on get the judge Nevin Beckett bed. Do. Yeah. Man. I got two things. I really want to talk about. But you had to talk about the word world's worst. Mom. I let's complication the competition. Yes. Now. My my mom's kind of we know sprint all star. We know we got her kinda the Bob Beamon. Payment UCLA quarterback. Oh, come on. Drew this wheelhouse. Man beaming bond feeling I should know. Bob beamon. Who's the guy? I'm thinking of beep beep beam. Anyway, that's be naming your next book. I don't know what you're talking about. What am I thinking? Yeah. Geez. I don't know. Go on a game show, perennial. All bob. Okay. Take your word board. Now. I mean, Bob Beamon, okay? Bob Beamon, nineteen sixty eight Mexico City. Destroyed. The long jump record. Got it stood for thirty years until I Carlos Pete it literally thirty years. It was a record. I didn't think it could be beat. You know that Bob Beamon could have been the thin air in Mexico City. Uh-huh. They thought like I guess he sinks go up incrementally like two and a half inches further than the current record. But he beat it by four feet. And there was like it'll never repeat again. Yeah. That was the Olympic limit records. Whether it's swimming or bobsledding or running the beat their tenths of seconds. And whoever comes around next year may beat it. Right. Then you beat it by ten minutes. You know, you win the marathon by half an hour off the record people don't think beaten again, right? Bob biman's. He beat beat it. Wait a minute. He beat it by twenty one. Oh and in two third inches. So he he beat the current record by almost two feet in a world where you have a bunch world class guys upping the record three quarters of an inch at a time. So we're beat up by two feet or almost two feet. That's my mom. They didn't think it could be broken. Then there was a contender. Yeah. My buddy, Chris, not the Chris, you know, but the Chris died of mysterious illness when he was like twenty six or something like that. Maybe the we will never know I'll never would have been the nineties. Late eighties. Yeah. Yeah. So. You know, the story I got the broken shoulder cast on the arm. Yep. Didn't bother me any road unicycle with the cast on the arm. I did novel. You know? You know, you know, the cast that my arm. It's a novelty size cast is like this. Now, it's not a mad mad mad. Nobody except you. And I appreciate that. But go ahead. Well, when Gary pulls up a picture of the hospital where like hospital bed madman. We're we're like Ethel Merman slits. Either way. It wasn't the kind of shoulder up in the air. I think it's the guy. I think what's his name that died onstage had the shoulder up in the air thing. It was Sean, Sean, dick, Shawn. Yeah. I think he's the one with the shoulder. We'll see everyone is in a cast. All right. The point is there's. Yeah. Not a bad reference kids. Now, that's pretty solid. Thank you. There is there's somebody that's upright though, it has has hands on both sides. Keep looking around there. And if you go down you'll see that one that there you go. Look at that. Can you wrap their mind around? Why was a subpar Stu? How could I be bad stood? You were too busy with all this shit. I wasn't an average, and I was way below average student. How's that possible? The hippy school folks, you up are you kidding? Of course. It's possible. They they assaulted you. They harmed. You should sue them. Yeah. There they got deep pockets got a handful of Pachulia oil in one pocket, by the way. That's another thing. My wife react to and you're in your comedy special is that picture with you at the hippy school. But you said she goes the to pink the two teachers, you said were not looking at the picture on picture day seemed to be like like organizing themselves in some sort of flirtatious way. Like, they're making a plan. Like, what are we going to? What are we going to get it going, Michael and Berta had that kind of relationship this show brought to you by truecar dot com. Lifelock dot com promo code, and no I had I had a large cast on my shoulder. I don't think it was scientifically sound principle. But remember my shoulder been dislocated? And this guy who did the surgery on my shoulder at least put me under put it back in place. Put a novelty size plaster casts on it to act as a weight to keep it sucked down. Now, the provision of that was you also have broken your humorous. Yeah. So just your shoulder. You broke your arm. You wrote the humorous here. I don't they. I did break my humor. Yeah. Yeah. Oh is that? Why put that's the way. Oh, that's what the humorous is heal themselves. What they have to be distracted. They have to have, you know, pull action on them. Yeah. Yeah. I did break. My humor crazy about that. Crazy. It's a crazy. Pop war. Ed is a crazy break. Yeah. This is my son broke his femur football moral. Yeah. Never stopped me from playing right? But I had a big cast in the cast was novelty big, and it was to wait my stuff down. Also gave me a thing ago round my neck, and humans as a strange phenomenon called the jumping osteo blast. Because we there's distracts it. So the bone lines up we say distracted. It's like traction this traction on it with the weight from the cast. And so it it so the bone is not overlapping. It's it's it's back in position. Right, right. But it's also not necessarily touching and somehow the bone cells get a cross and bring it together. We don't know how the great magnet the very mind that doesn't. So I had a now using magnetic baths of doing. So I will t size waited cast on my right arm. That did not slow me down from my favorite thing, which was riding a unicycle ours and eight didn't it was an either here or there because I didn't I didn't fall too often on the unicycle. If I did fall my other side or something, but we're going to use a word that they use today. I don't think my mom like the optics of it of you with the cast on a unicycle up and down the street in front of house all day or shooting like Heather people seeing you like that. She would have seemed irresponsible I'm looking back on it. Now, realizing it didn't look like she's doing a whole lot of parenting. If I was on the unicycle with the hands don't think it was freaking out a little bit like because she was not one for thrill seeking. Oh, look, I think it was. I think it was both both. I think you upticks and broken humorous. Yes. Okay. To shoulder, and you're writing unison sonny's this way. All the time right eve breaks. Ryan wheelies somewhere right now, and you'll be anxious Lynette just think of him with the cold water. Good. Imagine riding a unicycle down the street in a giant cast. Screaming nettle. It'll be like where are you? I'm into our long pies. Yes. Hold on. We're gonna helicopter medevac you out of there on the roof. Let them ride his bike home. Three lights are coming on out of casts without a cast. Okay. So we'll give you a little break on that one. Boy, did let pick the wrong guy to be concerned. I know I'm does like, I know. All right. You find a stranger put your bike in the back of his van driving home. Yeah. That's that's my take. But anyway, guys running around like a huge cast as arm. So my mom didn't like the optics of it and to be fair to her. She probably thought maybe he could get injured again following off this thing. Right. So was a win win. And she said. You got a mothball unicycle for two months or however long cast is on. And then when it's done you can get back on the unicycle. Like, I thought we had this agreement where you weren't going to cook. And then I wasn't gonna listen to you like that was sort of our agreement was like you weren't going to be a parent. I wasn't going to be son. Like, I do what I want, but the payoff remained. No pot rose. But also, lectures, either right? We had a tacit agreement Miteir tire family, and I had that agreement. I agreed to it reluctantly later on that that the our understanding did kick in. When the following year when it was time to sign up for these valley Trojans again, and I was first in line and they're like, oh, no. And as I. Yes. And I just told them at twelve like, Amen. Do what to do a rambler? I ramble. Shoulder humorous with broken your shoulders dislocated like you're not going back on that field. And I was like he's got him watch me. And I just I learned had both parents say you cannot play anymore. Pop Warner football's like, screw both. You'll fuck I'm playing, and they're like, you are not as like you. You can't you know, boss of me, man. You listen, you you check the box. It says I'm not cooking. I'm not paying for anything, which is fine. But that also means I get to decide my own destiny. My destiny is with Duke Gallagher and the east rally Trojan with mighty boys you hung out with on the weekend. The baby boys are brothers or there was a boys the boys the void hindering James boy, avoid brothers. Boy. They played with you're right. Yeah. At their house than to get what they were football players to write a picture me and Henry or James holding their whole their championship trophy. Anyway. I I told him screw you. I'm playing football. I had no thoughts about my broken humorous or medicinal keta children. Right. No thought, but the unicycles like I get it right around Jenin casts. The way. Way. Probably if I know you imagine at the time the way, you thought was probably help the healing. So get back to the game. No, no. I didn't think that way. I just thought like I was semi reasonable. I understood riding around the giant cast and very badly. Broken arm on unicycle sort of a joke and novelty bad idea. I sorta got it. I get why they get it. I didn't care. I was right back on the unicycle. But after few days of that. Or maybe I took a spill on the unicycle. I don't remember, you know, it's not it's easy to rive the giant cast on your arm. So I sort of said all right? We'll we'll mothball at four. Five weeks or ten weeks until I get the cast off. And then I'll be back on it. And word got out that I put the thing up. Oh, and Chris son to the world's worst. Mom. Yes. Said oh, you're not right in your use Eichel for three months. Could I borrow? But I write about I ride, and I could not say no to people could he write it. No could not at the time. Okay. Say no prize possession. The only thing I owned was the unicycle. But I still couldn't say no, I couldn't physically say no to anybody back then. And it was sitting and I knew I didn't have an excuse. It was gonna sit. My closet. You the rest of the story. I will tell you about lifelock reduce your risk of coming victim of tax gams. Don't log into Bank accounts are unsecured WI fi network. Don't prepare and file your tax returns on public computers. And remember IRS employees won't Email. You don't click a link Email claiming to be the IRS. I did not know they were not allowed to do that. But it makes sense now, so many ways cybercriminals can take what's yours. Good thing. 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It's probably been like two or three months and certain point I want I get the cast off and it gets cast offense. It's there's only one thing in my life that I enjoy when not playing pop Warner football's riding a unicycle, I go right to Chris who lived up the street, and I said cast off. Time for me to reclaim. What's rightfully mine? My schwinn unicycle, and he says I put that in your backyard. And I said, well, that's funny. 'cause I don't think I sought there. He said, yeah. I just went in through the gate there and just give it back to you. I said when did you do that? He should like, you know yesterday. Like. Haven't been in the backyard. Maybe so let me go home and get a unicycle and hope you sitting down. But when there wasn't that shocking wasn't there, and I should. This kid is is name was Chris he had two older brothers that why you couldn't kick his ass. Well, I didn't really know what to do with him. And I sort of I I would take people sort of the word. I didn't know what I didn't have any proof. Oh, and I had. One older brother died at nineteen. Also that got them. Yeah. Of what? Driving home from like camping and like a mini truck and just roll off the side of the highway so two out of the three brothers were dead or twenty six but there's three brothers. The oldest brother was the one that left. But. I I said, well, it's not not there. And then he just said well so much ripped it off. You know, not my prom kind of thing. And that was it for his side of story. And I've done a couple of times in my life. I don't know. There's a thing where you think always kind of thought this was it was interesting. It's sorta happened when? Back when as to keep my tools over at my grandmother's house, I lived in -partment. I couldn't keep my carpentry tools inside the Parvin and have a safe place to keep them. And they had this porter cable door plane four hundred bucks, the most expensive whatever tool ever had. Anyway, I went there to go. Get it picked up the case. And it felt like there's helium in it as I what I opened it up, and it was gone. That's a dagger to the heart. I gotta hang doors for living. This is a beautiful porter cable door plane, and it's gone. And I said to my grandma said. What do you think happened like what it's in? It's in your tool shed in the back house. The case is here. What do what do you think happened? And she was like don't know. And I was anyone back here won't poking around or someone hop the fence, or what do you think? And she went. Oh, there was like a homeless guy. And he wanted you know, like five dollars. So like rake all the leaves and stuff like in the yard and the backyard or whatever, so he probably stole it. She I said. Yeah. I bet he did, you know? And then I did this move that. I think. Many your patients would probably tell you version of the story the rehab patients, and the physician when we do the singer you like you have this thought that I'm going to peel the person's humanity, and there somehow going to become a regular person in this exchange, and I went boy that toolman that's you found the guy now and you're sent him. I said to my grandma I said that that that's an expensive tool and I can't afford to replace it. And that's how I make my living and. Man, that's like my livelihood. And that homeless guy you let in he he stole it. Now. I can't do my job. And I sorta have I always had this inkling where she was going to go like how much thing where. Okay, I'll tell you. What I'll tell you. What why don't we go in have? And she knew you were England for this to I don't know what she knew. But there's this party that thinks maybe they'll be human being first second. And like I was like why that's how I make my living and I can't afford to replace it. And she was like, well, okay. Like walk back into the house. And I was like God damn it. So my mom got a lot of that. We got the worst grandmother earth got that. Yeah. A couple of little bits upside with her. But so I said to my mom, my unicycles gone. Okay. You made me not write it. And then I lent it to Chris. And then he said he put it in the backyard. And that's that's all I got. And she's like, well, I said he put in the yard to put in the yard. Yeah. But now, I don't have a unicycle. She's like, well, you gotta do you know, like like, and I was like I was kind of throwing myself on the mercy. Like, I thought she was going to go like, well, let's go get you knew you know, whatever, no such luck. So it has certain point. Maybe a couple of days went by. I was distraught. I was like I got nothing. Now, I got no unicycle. Just said, hey. Mom. Do you think you could go talk to Chris's mom, and like sif, you could figure this thing out, you know, because I really feel like I did the guy solid and he had the unicycle. I don't know if you put in a yard or not, but feel like this kind of his responsibility, and maybe her responsibility, and like could you just talk to her and see what you guys could come up with the see if we could fix this thing again sorta like grandma. Fifty fifty like like, I thought Chris's mom was going to go. How much is he unicycle? All right. Let's just go in have these on a new one or or whatever it is. And I'm just went talk Chris's, mom and. She came home. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. What happened? And she's like, oh, she said he said he put in the yard put in the ARD teddy put in the Artie put in the yard. So that's that. Scott going. Wow, sister pad who's worse, his mom or my mom both bad in different when equal ways. So did the unicycle turn-up ever which in turn up? He sold it in Mexico. Yeah. Yeah. He sold it. I wonder if you just had it though, but he sold it. Yeah. Turned up. He didn't go down the street on it like the next day. Now, I don't know if he stashed it, and and maybe put in the closet for six months and spray painted pulled it out. I don't I don't look. I don't know if it got stolen from him. Right. Right. I don't know if he sold it. I don't know if he still had it. I don't know what the truth. We'll never know. I don't know if it wasn't stolen from my yard ovo seems unlikely right? But either way whose moms worse. Well, up spies, your mom, even took the. Well, here we don't know. We don't know. She went and talked that now spread the focus. I think that's maybe what happened. Interesting. Yeah. So you say my mom just said like I went and talked her. Yeah. Yes. It is not able to do stuff like that. Knock on someone's door and have a conversation. Me undertaking for her. Gary Mant Christmas party. She talked your ear off, right? That she brought bake. It's for everybody was really the sweet. Jones. Yeah. Because my mom, I think I have a one time. Wow. Also have one time. What were the circumstances of that? I think it was just trying to coordinate when your mom and stepdad like actually came the wall, and they came to see the car shopping studio. He had his relatives. Like inward hound. There. Always has to be like a caveat. He's relatives are in town when well you go, but you remember back at the Peterson during up like them up on their feed pump, the fist doing a whole Arsenio hall. We had a very strange experience out of an eye of when we were on. Coenen when he late night show. I think it was something like that. It's like nineteen ninety eight or something we've been touring around doing something speaking, and we're in New York City, and we were on Conan. We're like the last second last guest and at the end everyone stands up the audience stands up Conan's steps forward. And goes, isn't this amazing? I used to come here and watch what you say Carson or something to watch somebody on this various studio, and I look out in the audience, and there's Adams parents. Well, parents your mom and your stepdad. I'm like. It looks at your mom out there. That was weird. You're like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah. What I do. I remember that. Also, remember funny Conan's story. Wait, your mom. How did your mom get to New York? It's like hell. Unicycle? She was in New York like traveling around in a weird super low budget. He kind of way with my stepdad day. Did they do kind of travel? That's I was surprised that he even told them that we were on Conan and that they took the initiative to show up. You didn't set that up. Did you? It was like they were literally in New York staying at a hotel down the street from Conan, and somehow my mom, and I like crossed wires Pazar something and she said, I'm in New York. And I said like I'm in New York, and she said, what are you doing in New York? And I'm like, I'm doing Conan. And she's like that theaters up the street from it was like literally peanut butter in my chocolate my peanut butter. Yeah. Yeah. They were I was shocked. But the funny Conan story is with Kimmel later. All right. All right. Let me tell you about truecar and truecar true cash offer you can do this in a minute. The very duration of this little conversation could be long enough to get a true cash offer from truecar from your smartphone or computer to your name license plate. Watch your car's details. Pop right up inter Antra few questions, you'll get that accurate. True cash offer from a local truecar certified dealer bring the car in check it out with the dealer. A you ask some questions, and then there are no surprises. 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He needs to get all this therapy because he's super quiet in class. And they. Look, that's not why whatever it is. That's not why. This psychologist in twenty to thirty minute meeting can do a fairly comprehensive assessment, and she'll have no trouble making diagnosis, if there's meant mental illness present now the treatment, you know, pharmacological treatment is not something clinical psychologists should be suggesting they should be suggesting that he sees a Kaya tryst. Yes. My wife is we're taking him into his doctor tomorrow. And then whatever she suggested who then will do whatever it takes. Okay. Well, what do you what do you experience with yourself, by the way for everybody? Don't tell Dr drew. He's recommending sole off because he's quiet class. And don't tell me when I ask you why your boyfriend in jail role violence. These are non answers understand. Right. So sorry home. He's perfectly fine. He's a social kid even played football this year and for he went out from the team and made in survived the whole year. All right, but there's some, but when when he gets into school, he's super quiet. Okay. But this doesn't talk anyone response. Something more going on. Well, won't respond is a little different than super quiet. But he say I've seen that in public. He won't respond to questions when he's asked you need to find out what the diagnosis is. He is a careful that mental health professional CNN. I don't let a pediatrician or intern prescribe get a real assessment from a board certified psychiatrist and adolescent psychiatry and figure out what this is. And what needs to be done if anything, and I I'm not Mr. holistic guy. But in this particular case, I do believe diet and exercise and movement and passion and use us and everything help. Therapy can really be helpful versus the former pharmacological. Agenda. Yeah. And when you see the chargers asking a what are the treatment options? Not you know, what do you normally do just what kind of options are out there? What what are the statistics on outcomes given different treatment paths? All right. Good Conan story for tomorrow already Kimmel in you forgot about I was there to got to figure out that date were mama was in the audience, not Taco Bell material stand up special chassis dot com. Very proud of this one hour such about an hour and twelve minutes. C H A S S, Y dot com and got an Kroll dot com. And you can find out all the dates were going to be doing stand up all over the place, and you can get it. I tunes to the standard special few like, drew dot dot com. Check out the family pods. And don't forget that drew after tart November nineteen ninety eight is when we did cone what I said today. Yeah. Also two thousand. Yeah. 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It's a thing to be doing until we know more about what's going on some seventy three of those jets are in service in the US while there were some flight cancellations today airline industry watchers say the companies should quickly have replacement planes students at some of the colleges impacted by the admission scandal, that's resulted in fifty people wealthy, parents coaches and others being charged in a bribery scheme that got their children into the elite schools. Wake for senior Carley, Gordon who has one hundred thousand dollars in student loans is dismayed her schools in the mix. We saw that we didn't do that. But now it shows that like even wait can really be influence one parent arrested today. Actress Laurie Lachlan released on a million dollars bond. She'll be allowed to travel to the area around Vancouver candidate a work, but give her passport in December. I'm Tim Maguire.
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We are going to do a little bit of tomorrow's news today to get us going after noon tomorrow and Wednesday fed chair Jay Powell and the rest of the gang at the Federal Open Market committee are going to be meeting on interest rates, and to be really really clear here, there ain't nobody actually expecting them to raise rates, but there is a thing happening in this economy. That's got a whole lot of people scratching their heads. And which plays directly into what the fed is gonna do on rates. We got numbers on consumer spending in this economy today way up in March the best in ten years, surely assign of a healthy and growing economy, which it is right now, we told you about first quarter GDP growth on Friday. If you remember that the head-scratching part is this inflation by the Federal Reserve's preferred measure, something called PC, personal consumption expenditures was basically. A no show in this morning's report, excluding food and energy. It was flat for the month. And you would think in the aforementioned healthy and growing economy that you would have a healthy rate of inflation as well, don't marketplace's Mitchell. Hartman explains what's going on with inflation. And why it matters most of us think of inflation as a bad thing. Prices rise eroding our paychecks purchasing power lake back in nineteen seventy four when president Ford pledged to congress. We must whip in question right now. Today. The slogan might be could you whip up a little more inflation, please Sam Stovall at CF are a research explains that stagnant or falling prices over a sustained period can cost spending to plummet consumers might decide. Well, I won't spend my money this month, a wait until next month. When I might even get a better deal and weak inflation can be a sign of weak demand. If consumers were beating down the doors to buy stuff sellers would have some leverage to raise prices, broadly speaking that's not happening now says economists dam north at business insurer Euler Hermes for a bunch of reasons, including global trade in terms of lots of lower price goods coming in from China and Mexico, Karen Patru at federal financial analytics sees one more warning sign. The majority of the population are already heavily indebted. They're continuing to buy only what they need struggling to a. Ford it, and that's why inflation is as low as it is some economists think the fed may need to lower interest rates again to stimulate demand and try to push inflation back up. I'm Mitchell Hartman for marketplace. There is a little bit of point counterpoint in the hospitality industry to report on today. First of all Airbnb says it's thinking about getting into more formal hoteling it's going to take commercial properties and rent them out at the same time. The Wall Street Journal reports that Marriott is going to start its own Airbnb like thing for renting out vacation homes, cozy atmosphere neighborhood vibe without the sometimes dodgy wildfire clogged sink when confined in an Airbnb. Marketplace's Megan McCurdy Krino has more on what am I take for Marianne to compete in the home sharing market that is so disrupting its business Marianne it's been pointing out in a recent commercial that there are a lot of ways to spend the night with them. Homeboy for Tony. There's Ritz-Carlton for hip. There's w for family friendly, they're Springfield sweets, and for a plain old hotel room there Sheraton thirty hotel brands, endless experiences. Adding home rentals tha that ecosystem makes a lot of sense says Howard Adler, a professor of hotel management at Purdue University really benefits them because they're expanding their their network already. Adler says home rentals could allow travelers to stay under Marriott roof for every trip. They take for business or pleasure and get loyalty points. But there's a catch much of Maryanto. Tell business is independently owned MorningStar analyst, Dan wa- select says home sharing may cannibalize some of that business. There is some, you know, risk vats alienating the traditional hotel franchisees that are joining the Maryanne brand renting out private houses. Even high end ones. Also, poses risks homes and hotels are built with different safety standards. Aroon soon Dhiraj on a professor of business at NYU says that's one example of why it's going to be difficult for Marriott in another hotel chains to compete head on with Airbnb. I think Airbnb has made depot. Inroads into the hotel business than any of the hotel chains will into the home shedding business. Andy says Mary interest in the market makes the home sharing business. Look more attractive as Airbnb prepares for its IPO later this year. I'm Megan McCurdy Carino for marketplace. This was a big weekend for the National Rifle Association and not in a way, the group is probably pleased with a very public leadership fight at its annual meeting. And now, the New York state attorney general's office is investigating the group financially in particular possibly threatening the NRA's tax exempt status in New York. Now granted this is a state AG looking into a state issue. But there could be repercussions for the group's federal tax status as well. So we asked marketplace Merrill, Sagarra to look into and explain what exactly tax exempt status means. And how an organization might lose. It groups that are tax exempt don't have to pay certain kinds of taxes like income taxes charities are the most well, known example, who of church the m. Organizations that when you give to them you also get a tax deductible contribution Miranda Fleischer at the university of San Diego school of law says charities are a type of tax exempt group known as five oh one C threes. But there are other ways to get exempted from taxes groups that promote social welfare qualify under a different section of the law by a one c four Philip Hackney at the university of Pittsburgh school of law says these groups follow different rules, you usually can't deduct contributions to them and they're allowed to get involved in politics. A wad of organizations will form a onc- four in order to lobby in order to engage in politics that the can't is a charity the NRA falls under this category. But it has a five oh, one C three foundation to an organization can lose its tax exempt status. If it say does something illegal or pays its leaders excessive salaries, but minoshe Viswanathan who teaches law at the university of. California says IRS audits are rare the enforcement arm for tax exempt organizations at the IRS is underfunded and not as active as it probably should be but states have their own laws on tax exemption, and they can investigate groups to. That's what's happening in the case of the NRA to garra for marketplace. On Wall Street this Monday, you know, what you get stock index goes up after a record high. Well, yes, that's right. You get more record highs. We'll have the details when we do the numbers. Congressional leaders democratic congressional leaders. I should say house speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer going down to the White House this week for meeting with the president on infrastructure. The not so great state of America's roads bridges and highways also dams and locks on the nation's waterways, which got us thinking about the Mississippi River and Austin Golding one of our Goto the president of Golding barge lines in Vicksburg Mississippi. So since we were thinking about him got him on the phone, and it's good to talk to you. Gregg, talk to you kaffirs fillets been awhile. So has business. This is up the economy as improving as well as our specific condoms on the water. We're seeing more cargoes and business has improved. Let me ask you about about some of the more tangible things like are you getting more product on your barges? Are you using bigger flotillas of barges those kinds of things right now Rashleigh dealing with how water mostly flood conditions up and down the sippy river, and how water means less cargo or VAR? So we've actually had a little higher risk profile. A little cargo are Partido coming down the river looks like in June. We may get some relief. But here the next four five weeks, you're going to be a little bit longer to go. Other thing I want to talk to you about was attributed to Capitol Hill a couple months ago, I guess listeners who are curious to what you look like and just go on YouTube and searcher congressional testimony. Tell me why you're up there. And first of all what you thought about the congressional hearing process. Well, it was certainly interesting. Part of a Senate hearing we were there discussing the Jones act, infrastructure and workforce development. And I thought all three Rivera productive discussions. I can I can tell you. I was very nervous. My wife told me that when she gave me a hug after that sweated completely threw my suit. But I came away that they genuinely you're looking for answers to had a solve those problems. That's good to hear. I will say you look good. So you know, sweat or not you look at tell me though, what the Jones act is. And why that matters to you. So the Jones act is a long standing law that protects American marine interests, basically. And it's pure sense. Simplest San says that anything carries American products from one American port to another has to be built in America owned by American citizen in crude by Americans. So it is a not only the neck onomic protection. But it's also a domestic national security protection law, and I guess the deal behind your testimony is that congress thinking about the Trump administration wants to change the Jones act is that right? Well, there's some debate around waivers for certain ports such as Puerto Rico and the east coast to be able to use internationally flagged vessels that would MSNB cheaper option. The debate around. These is really a debate around. What's it worth it to outsource more American jobs? Elsewhere, it doesn't align with the messaging out of the administration. And I think that the pushes coming from people that for an increased profit margin would be willing to outsource in American industry in American jobs, where do you this is a little sideways where do you get your labor force? I mean, if I want to be a barge captain for Golding bar lines. I mean, where do I come from like technical colleges only? So most of our our applicants com directly out of high school or shortly thereafter tip glass, and is between eighteen and twenty five years old after five to ten years of experience, you can make a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year if you can get past the sacrifice and pass the absence from home. That's. The type of payday this white and on you, do you find the tight labor market that we have now is that a problem for you. Well, it is a tight labor market. And if you ask age our department specifically, they'd probably nodding. Yes, it is tight. But there's still plenty of people at their cows. Plenty of talent ready to go to work Golding. He runs Golding bars lines Vicksburg, Mississippi awesome. Thanks a lot. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you very much. We that is most of humanity have been doing our darndest to get rid of bacteria for a very long time now commercially at least for decades with antibacterial soaps and sprays and whatnot. But science has gotten itself back in the game with a boost from companies like Clorox SE Johnson, which are putting their money behind startups, bringing us bacteria that could actually be good for human health, the origin story as it were told by caroliina winter in Bloomberg BusinessWeek walkman program. Thanks for having me. Tell me what your first of all about this guy. David Woodlock and the company he started a oh bio that's fate. It was started by a really fascinating guy. He's an MIT trained inventor who became obsessed with a specific type of bacteria and spent all his money nearly half a million dollars and moved into his car for four and a half years before finding investors. Now, he's raised one hundred million dollars and. Is doing lots of trials to see if his bacteria actually affect health the way, he thinks it does yoga's we're gonna bury the lead that this guy has raised one hundred million dollars. Let's back up though and talk about. What has happened to the marketing of bacteria in this economy? We've all been taught as I said in the introduction. But you gotta wash your hands. And you gotta clean up because Beccaria or bad for you. And now not only science, but also corporate America's discovering. Maybe that's not the case. It's a really interesting chain of events. You should probably keep washing your hands show that that is pretty important for health, but human microbiome is incredibly important for our health, and we've really decimated the diversity in the populations of microbes that live in an on us. And it's it's partly because we have such poor diets. It's antibiotics more c section births. And importantly, also less contact with nature dirt an animal's show AOL buy ohm, and Mr. Woodlock in other companies just to sort of get to the product is Asian of this thing. Just for one example, there's there's like a spray that he is invented the use that he sprays on himself that that. Fosters good bacteria. I guess yes. He's obsessed with this one specific type of ammonia oxidizing bacteria that takes ammonia on your sweat, and it turns it into molecules that are very good for the human health. But that's the idea that's the spray. And then they also have a number of other products that are microbiome neutral. Meaning that they won't kill the microbe is good microbes solo how long before this becomes a curiosity. And frankly, a little bit of an do factor thing to mainstream that we go to the local bigly weekly. And by you know, I think it's already happening. The number of studies coming out linking microbiomes that are off balanced to everything from depression to cancer are really surprising people have considered the microbiome to be almost like another organ that people have to start considering for help. And I would say that if you're looking at supplements, there's no regulation. Same thing same thing with cosmetics. And so it's hard to know if something is good or not. So it's really good that companies like album are actually doing clinical trials. Well, let's get an total here. You yourself have used some are at least one of these Bronx. Right. I have. Yeah. I been fascinated with this company by home for a while. And I've used their product. And I do I do like it a never stopped showering and everyone to the extremes, but it works differently for everyone. And that actually will be and actually talking to some of the scientists. That's really interesting. They think what's going to happen is that tools where people can test their own microbiome will become more available in the actually able to see for themselves. How various products affect them. And maybe the kind of able to customize based on that. Which will be interesting. Totally interesting Kerley to winter. She's a staff writer, Bloomberg BusinessWeek writing most recently about bacteria on our buddies. Turlington? Thanks a lot approach time. Thanks for having me. Coming up eight got sort of a forest theme, and they have crickets founding in there, the Beth room, y'all an office bathroom, but first students. Down. Del shows up eleven day will call that flat percentage. Wise twenty six thousand five five four the NASDAQ added fifteen points about a tenth percent eighty one sixty one the S and P five hundred up three points tenth percent twenty nine and forty three Boeing gave back four tenths percent today. The company's CEO faced a tough questions. It's morning of the aircraft companies annual meeting after two fatal crashes, as you know, involving it's seven thirty seven max jetliner stuck pretty much through talking points. Dennis Muilenburg, Marianne drifted down three tenths percent today. As we told you Mary going after Airbnb Hilton worldwide up eight tenths of one percent choice. Hotels International road up two tenths percent bond. Prices fell yield on the tenure treasury note rose to two point five two percent. 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Now, the UK could leave the European Union at any time between now and Tober thirty first which really just translates the word Brexit into uncertainty, uncertainty uncertainty. And so we arrive at today's installment of our series, Maya Connie's stories of people making a go of it this one from a British importer. My name's powder Riga on the director Frankie seeds, and I'll even London and with my family to children and one away. What we specialize in is talent varieties. This pope pep is there this chilies of shapes and sizes, I say company as an importer normally we just older seeds from today and they arrive on Lori this no paperwork. There's no barriers. There's no delays. Now because of this whole Brexit process we've had to prepare for no deal Brexit. We've had to apply for an e ole-ry, which is type of imputation document, we've had to get a customs broker like when we import goods from America or China. Now, one of these things have cost to them. And that means that we will have to put our prices up guess wall. If the price of seed goes up the price of food goes up. This is flight school one. Oh, one stuff. Britain is not self-sufficient a sesame that less than half of seats into mystic seat is that she come from Britain and the remained come from the EU China India, they come from all over, but we don't have a big seed industry in this country anymore. So bit of British humo-, we came up with Brexit vegetable growing survival kit, and basically, it's a selection of vegetable seeds varieties that you can. So we year we got some shelling thins fringe beans. They'll pole beans, they would be cold in in America. We've got some peas there. He's can be preserved in jaws. They can beat fresh that was the thinking behind the kit to have something to so or harvest every single month of the year varieties that can be preserved. We came up with the idea one Saturday night after a drink, and it was really a bit of a joke. But we talked the label we launched it with a single tweet on Sunday morning, and we've sold hundreds we've almost sold thousand now just in the last nine weeks. But actually it's been so successful that we've been thinking of doing another Magadan vegetable growing survival kit, which has. A lot of hilarity in the business. But then Brexit's as always did say that there would be Brexit opportunities for business. I don't think they thought it would be like this. Paolo are courtesy of our colleagues at the BBC over in London. Let us know how your economy's doing? There's a place you can do that at marketplace. Did a big office renovation here at marketplace world headquarters, the play said, frankly, gotten a little rundown looking included. Of course, we're the restrooms which until I read a piece in the Wall Street Journal day. I thought were pretty nice. I mean, they are the new ones. But it turns out that really upscale office. Washrooms are the new thing in corporate America Keiko Morris wrote about it from the Wall Street Journal, welcome to the program. Thank you. What has happened that office bathrooms are now the thing? I guess well there are a couple of things going on here. One. You have had for a very long time the hospital industry, really elevating the bathroom design public places and people have become used to that. So we're talking about hotels restaurants, and at the same time, you have office design becoming elevated people are creating these open spaces, but also trying to create. More comfortable, homey spaces and so part of the office design. Also is that more and more people are getting crammed into the open office space, and folks are realizing they need these spaces of respite. Describe them for me. Gimme gimme. I mean. You obviously walked around and looked at a bunch of these. What do they would? What's typical nice new office bathroom click? So of course, we highlighted the ones that really really went to town with these. So for instance, we work has restrooms on one of its headquarters floors at sort of like a Nordic spa dark with video screens. You can watch loops of surfing competitions. We should mention Airbnb has some bathrooms where they've got sort of a forest theme, and they have crickets founding in there. And then we also have bathrooms that have playlists. So you can rock out Choubey. Glenn Beck to the thing though. Didn't they there was one? They put like video games in there and people were just spending too much time in the bathroom is at the deal. Yes. So there you can have too men with these designs. So so one was a retro eighties. Video game design in they actually had Mariel brothers in there and decided to take it out where to Joe go. He's been in the bathroom half an hour. Anyway. So look down abreast hacks, though, this is an issue. Now restrooms Orrin issue for would be tenants. And in theory would be employee's. Right. Yes. Brokers love to say this. So basically, there's a war for talents. They say and your office is one tool for -tracting and retaining talent. And so- tenants. The companies themselves have taken note, some landlords are also trying to are realizing that they have to elevate the bathroom to put up shut up, Tom how would the bathrooms at the journal? The. Part of the reason for writing this. It's talking to designers and just I write about the office market. And I started hearing about these bathrooms, and of course. The bathrooms at the journal were not up to snuff. And I was having bathroom envy. But maybe the folks of stairs read the article. Here's hoping here's hoping kickoff Mars covers commercial real estate for the journal Keiko. Thanks a lot. Appreciate your time. Thanks. This final note on the way out today. Another two thousand nineteen initial public offering to be on the lookout for the co working company. We work said today it has filed with the securities and Exchange Commission for an IPO. It's what's called the confidential S one. That's the SEC form number. So no financial details. But in a recent private fundraising around we work was valued at forty seven billion American dollars. Second in the years IPO hip arrayed tuber at like ninety ninety one something. All right. We're going the Dow basically flat today, the NASDAQ up fifteen points about a tenth percent the S and P five hundred three that's about a tenth percent. There are daily production. Team includes Bridget Bonder rehome, Sean mckenry daisy placebos and Daniel Shinners special projects desk is Tommy Andres Elisa mills, I'm KAI Ryssdal. We will see tomorrow. This is APN. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by the capital. One spark cashcard offering unlimited two percent cashback on all your business purchases. Learn more at Capital One dot com Capital One. What's in your wallet?
Ep. #27 - The Rise Of Rivian
"Hello everybody welcome to the show. This is the m thirty one podcast presented by thirty when media bringing the latest in science space and technology. I'm your host NICB anoint and on today's episode we have a very interesting a mix of topics so you know generally episodes that are either all tack all space all science something like Trans they pretty consistent. Maybe throw a product in that I recommend at the the end but on today's episode we're going to start off and we're going to cover an update on Ribian which is an electric car maker that we covered a few months back in an older episode and there's a pretty big update from them. We're GONNA cover that I and they were going to completely change tracks to the science and space side of things and we're gonNA talk about an exit plan. Discovery Excellent called K. to eighteen so we saw this in the news in the last week or two. I want to give an update and kind of maybe break it down for those of you who are listening to this for more of the space science astronomy side of things so we're gonNA cover that as well and at the end I've got a product update as well so what kind of tie it all together a lot of updates kind adam accumulated in my phone and my note so yeah we're GonNa Bring that episode so oh in the before we start all that I just WanNa do a quick housekeeping thing and there's a new version of the M thirty one media APP. I was working on this past weekend. Big changes were ready for Iowa's thirteen importantly ready for that sweet sweet dark mode looks great. I think it looks really hot. If I say so myself compared to the light motor what kind of passage isn't meant it looks better in the dark. I think looks better in dark mode so real happy with that and a few other you I change. They think chains fonds make it more readable spend more time in the operating some of the the event descriptions things like that. I think we're GONNA be ready for the APP store. We're going to admit again. We've tried a couple of times you know with my first APP. I'm learning a lot in apple's requirements and they can be pretty strict on a few different things so I kind of want to come back and really put a lot of new before I submitted again so you know the things like the push notifications adding the calendar sharing events. I added in some other other things like the showing the recent updates if you more tabs CBS just trying to build up the APP flush out make it more fulsome. I've got other ideas too but I think this is a pretty good juncture to try again so I'll be meeting that and then you can you know as I've heard from you guys delete test flight off your phone visit only Beta app you use so hopefully you can do that soon. So without further ado that's the Oh and if you don't have have the Beta once again that's. WWW dot the future calendar dot com slash Beta and you can download that download and give me any feedback. I'd love to hear from you. I think now and I was thirteen even give you a way to do it right in the APP so Rain Tesla so yeah check that out thank hopefully something APPs sourcing all right so our first story story. Today is an update as promised on Ribian so Ribian once again if you're not familiar giving me a quick update is an electric car maker manufacturers manufacturer startup there actually about a decade old but they really came to prominence in the L. A. Auto show which was last November November of two thousand eighteen so not that long ago got right they burst onto the scene with two vehicle prototypes one called the R. One s and another one called our won t so the are one s is their air electric. Suv and the are won t critically as their electric pickup truck which would also make the first electric pickup truck on the market so before you know the electrified Ford F one fifty that's that's in the works before Tesla's pickup truck electric pickup truck which we should hear more more about you know maybe four five weeks or southbound time Abyan end of October early November so this is significant right. I mean this is one of them was big like one of the largest market segments for auto manufacturers in the US so really when they came onto the scene. That's got a lot of hype instantly. You know they've been around around. If you read their wikipedia go back and look at their company history they kind of changed names a couple times but they've secured an old Mitsubishi Factory in Illinois that got other development in in California for autonomous technologies. I think they're up to something like a thousand employees so you know not a garage but still you know they never made a car. They have to nice prototypes got a lot of journalists to write a lot of articles. Make people made a bunch of youtube videos about them at the L. A. Auto Show but you know they've made a car yet. So why would you know there's a lot of electric carmakers right like this right. There's Biden next faraday future lucid motors. I mean there's a whole list of companies of exciting prototypes. That haven't done anything they made made a single car right. So why would I focus focusing an episode on Ribian and why would what to me makes them stand out and I'm going to tell you so so right away. That was in November. If you follow the timeline of events here if you just follow the money in who's investing in in looking riven that's what draws my attention so the first one that comes up in February of two thousand eighteen you have Amazon lead seven hundred million dollar investment round into riven okay. That's pretty significant right. You know you have Jeff Jeff. bezos world's richest man dumping his money dumping a large funding round seven hundred million dollars in a single round just months after the show into Ribian caught my attention attention okay now fast forward to April twenty nineteenth only two months later you have Ford lead a five hundred million dollar round into riven. Okay Okay now within two months. They've just raised one point two billion dollars I mean that's far more than even the largest. IPO as if you were to go public okay so then that was that was that was already significant deficient fast forward a few more months to just a few weeks ago in September of two thousand nineteen. You have another three hundred fifty million dollar round led by Cox Automotive Cox Automotive have owned brands. You probably know Kelley Blue Book you know other Internet properties affiliated with cars and may have other technology related in the auto space so again so now you're up to total in less than a year from that auto show where they have still yet to produce a single car had a lot of hype lot of press around the are won t in our one ass. They've raised one point five five billion dollars from these three pretty significant companies in across just three separate funding rounds. I mean that's that's that's incredible incredible. I it's just like that doesn't happen for someone who reads a lot like techcrunch wired and follows funding rounds and kind of I mean I'm not in the car space per se but I'm following allowing you know like tech investment and looking at all the stuff like there aren't many companies putting up those kind of numbers. I mean outside of your your late stage Uber's near. We works things like that. Companies that have more more mature. They have a product now millions of users buildings downloads. Whatever metric you WANNA use once again? I can't stress this enough. Riviera has sold zero cars ever right right. I mean I know it takes a lot of capital to start a car company but it's just the names behind it to especially the Amazon Ford for one right like a company trying to make the electric f one fifty which would be a direct competitor to our won t this upcoming ribian truck rates this is this is pretty crazy right so this got my attention already and I was already probably going to do a podcast about them. Just because of all of this going on all the money they're raising all the buzz and then just past week we had kind of the biggest announcement that that really they pushed over the edge Amazon through Jeff bezos announced that they're going to order they're placing an order for a hundred thousand electric delivery vans from riven so one hundred thousand right that sounds like a lot but maybe not too many right because you know there are millions of cars on the road sold every year but just to put that in perspective for Amazon to buy one hundred thousand electric delivery vans and essentially make their entire delivery fleet electric for reference right you'd think of Fedex ups as the two cops right doing logistics and delivery every Fedex has about eighty five thousand vehicles on the road and UPS has about hundred twenty thousand vehicles on the road so oh fred one hundred thousand electric delivery vans Amazon just made themselves kind of like the third competitor not that they weren't already but I mean really cemented as another index and and ups basically can be do all the deliver a lot of the deliveries themselves which obviously is probably good for their business model 'cause they were you know they're so reliant on these shipping and logistics providers so this is crazy. This is a huge orange all going to Riviera and the van they're designing for Amazon exclusive Amazon so they're only going to make it for Amazon Zahn. They'RE GONNA make one hundred thousand and those are going to start being delivered in twenty twenty one so things like that raising that kind of money securing that those kind of orders I especially with the backing of a company like Amazon where this is going to be that or that's going to obviously be the cornerstone order to give other customers the confidence to order vehicles from ravine Vian just kind of gives them that that stake in the market the other some other automakers or other upstarts just don't have and these are the kinds of things that grabbed my attention for for taking them mm seriously for treating them as if they're a true I can see them as being this other. You know only electric car maker similar like Tesla right like obviously other other automakers are go electric but this kind of puts them in that same space as I see them being kind of a sense like another like another one. That's just pure electric startup so it's exciting right really cool cool to say right so this is extremely difficult to do. I mean you can look at all kinds of other ones that failed next to tesla so you have fisker Faraday Future and actually recently lucid motors was another one that was looking like it was set to fail and run out of funding but then they raise a billion dollars from the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund so so in the end is looks like their first vehicle out soon so it was very difficult right. I mean in that case they got in essentially almost saved bailed out by the Saudis looking to diversify out of oil but but outside of something like that I mean this is really industry. Buying you have Amazon you have Ford you have Cox Automotive. You have all these people adjacent in the auto space or looking to do snoop delivery and they're the ones betting on Ribian and then when you dig in a little bit further outside of you know kind of the surface level money in the product they're. CEO Joan founder is a guy called RJ Ska rindge. This is the name you might WanNa remember. He's only thirty six years old and if you go read kind of like watch videos read profiles profile on the guy came at Mit. PhD In mechanical engineering the profiles make them seem to be one of those kind of product visionary inspiring type hype leaders. I mean I don't WanNa already put them in kind of jobs in Muskie and type place but just you know the the they make him out to kind of not just your dime a dozen startups. CEO's or something like like that so you know exciting CEO at the helm of this. I mean you really get into kind of an exciting story so when people ask me like how I would look at companies or what I think about or what stands out or what I want to make a podcast about these are all the kinds of things that cumulate over time where I'm kind of like I just put it away in the back of my brain like that's another five hundred million for riven another another three hundred fifty million from Ford. That's interesting. They're making the direct competitor to that vehicle right. So these are the kinds of things to kind of make you stop and go. How does this fit in with everything I've read about this company company and that's significantly different than the other startups in the space so that's what I'm watching? I think they're building real momentum in a way their competitors are not not and so I would just say put them on your radar. Watch that watch this space. I'm sure they're GONNA be raising more money. They're probably announce new products and they're going to be here for for the long haul and if you have an extra seventy thousand lying around you can also preorder the first electric pickup truck in the market so yeah the priorities are available now for the R. won not but for now we'll just you know. Hopefully you'll see him on the on the roads at some point they're looking to start production and give them the first ones to customers the end of twenty me twenty so actually just about a little over a year from now so we'll see how that goes but that's the update on Ribian so just keep an eye on them. quick update just wanted to give you the heads up on a company on. I'm watching in getting really excited about so completely changing years here so if you're if you're here more for the start up in the business and the technology side of things this is the astronomy let me science. you know completely other side of things so we're gonNA talk about the discovery of an exoplanet called Ketu eighteen be that that was there was a couple of papers released on it a couple of weeks ago and these come out once in a while you've probably seen them. various extra plants set new discovering them all the time right so one of the big discoveries discoveries of the past few decades is our planets that orbit other stars. We didn't even know that until the mid nineties and now we know they're everywhere there's more than there are stars in the sky so there's just we find them all the time and the occasionally one makes makes makes the press because you know there's one that's closer to the size of earth. There's one that's pretty close to us. You know they said all these kind of firsts so it's you know it's like you know very click baby for journalism. That's doesn't take that much time to investigate the paper and and what it stands for an actual science behind it so you know it's really easy to say like you know closest. Extra plants Earth ever found only four light years away right like they make a make Click Beatty type headline out of Ood Science. I'll oh click that like I'll look read about that a little bit and that's all in their kind of banking. I'm not you know for you. Know people who follow this more closely are really into science. It's kind of like pop science right so if you're listening to this. Maybe you know willing to listen to me. Talk about a little bit more not that I'm trying to make it very luxury or things like that but I'm coming out because I wanted to see if you read this article or you did see this discovery. It may not be exactly what we I thought and I WANNA put that in context of a little bit of background Ronnie and what this could mean for excellence moving forward discovery so a little background this exoplanet K. to eighteen B was discovered one hundred ten light years away so close in cosmic terms and the big headline on this one was that is the first time that water vapor has been discovered discovered in the atmosphere of an extra planet with the radius close to Earth's in the habitable zone of its star so there's a little bit unpack there if you're not familiar with Astronomy Toronto and some of these terms while from water vapor right that's significant because we kind of have this idea that we need water for life as we know it so finding water vapor in the atmosphere another planet is kind of a good check in the box for for maybe finding life right in the atmosphere of a super earth exoplanet so what does that mean so so basically right like there's just different size planets in different radius and diameter so this one happens to be two point seven times the radius of the Earth so closer oh sure to earth sized and something like a Jupiter Neptune Neptune or Jupiter something much larger which again like we want if we're looking for things like earth all we know to find life is fine things that are like Earth so the closer it is earth where like okay good another. Maybe a box. We don't really know what we're looking for right so we just not copy. What Earth looks like? It's kind of like the natural you you know. Everyone thinks they're geniuses at NASA the obvious things if you're like what would you do to look for life will just copy earth like find all the same things so okay. It's got to be like the same diameter of the same size okay so that's the that's the next thing pretty close right two point seven times okay habitable zone okay. This one's a little bit more complex so basically the habitable zone is the rain the distance from a star that a planet could have liquid water on surface okay so that distance changes based the type of star that the planets orbiting so on for the sun were perfectly in the habitable zone as you would expect liquid water everywhere oceans dominate the planet were. That's why we're here right habitable because to us this planet orbits much much closer to its star so it has a thirty three day orbit so there's a thirty thirty three year for context mercury right the mercury is close plan to the sun here has about a ninety day orbit so three times further away than this exoplanet is from its star and we know mercury around the sun is like eight hundred degrees or something crazy like that so it all depends on the kind of star orbiting so this the stars orbiting is a much cooler Red Dwarf Star so it can it can be much closer but still have liquid water surface so no that was a lot really fast so basically cool dim star you could still could water if you're even though you orbit much closer to it so it's a much less energetic powerful star than our sun one of the basic astronomy. There's like seven different types of stars. There's nuance but they're essentially lettered. Ob A F G K M Oh is the brightest it is largest hottest is the coolest smallest burns the longest we're right in the middle. We're G and then this m-type so it's the coolest smallest lists burns the longest. It's like just a super long candle. It can burn forever but it also is really dim and so the habitable zone is much closer around its star than something like us type or you know. Oh is burned so quickly. I don't even know if they can really pat plant developed planets around them they're gone ten million years so little little overview on astronomy. They're so that's that's kind of breaking that down so just to say it one more time they found water vapor. Check around the atmosphere of a super earth kind of check in the habitable zone check so all exciting stuff and all of these were first and the hadn't been found in one place altogether so boom put your bad headline. Go Get your views. Do Your your pop science journalism for the day but then of course this gets extrapolated to have things like best candidate yet for finding alien life potentially habitable world right. That's the kind of stuff that gets thrown around so I just read you. What actually you know the sentence that actually happened and then that's what that gives turned into when it gets click bait journalism so now let's UNPACK Y? You know not quite that far. It's not really finding something that kind of alien life so at a radius of two point seven times that of the earth it's more it's closer to a Neptune probably than it is like earth so might not have a surface. It's atmospheres probably really just hydrogen and helium so likely it's inhospitable to life is we. We know it so boom right off the bat. Not that's one strike against it. with when a planet only has thirty three day orbit to its star so being that much closer. It's likely tightly locked so you're familiar with this already like the moon is tightly walked the earth so we only ever see one side of the moon right doesn't it doesn't just orbit around us it orbits around us also spin on its axis right only like the rotation matches ashes that of the as it goes around earth so you only ever see one side so same thing with this planet so you only ever see one side or only face star so once I'd be super continuous he was daylight and then one side would be continuous darkness facing space right so you can imagine that orbit which makes it also terrible for life so one side super hot all the time in one side's super cold whole facing space so that's another strike against it not great for life also being that close to a star not great for radiation we take for granted like that. We're not like you know just getting cancer all the time because of radiation being blocked by the atmosphere when you're that close to your star Star always sending out all kinds of stuff like a lot of like stellar activity and radiation so if you're that close you that plan is likely being bathed and just continuous radiation which would be extremely disruptive to sell your processes sees biology once again everything we know about science and life as we know it so once again all of this adds up to like not a hostile place where we're GonNa go and land like a spaceship and like meet the Little Green Aliens Right so basically I just wanted to point this out of it is exciting it is I like finding water vapor on such a small relatively small plant. It's up to the smallest they've ever found or confirmed water vapor on before like it is a I it should be reported on. It's exciting but the press always wants to take that extra shortcut right like it needs to get more clicks. It's not as exciting to say they found a planet where you would die of radiation and cancer and it's really hot and always faces star a right. It's just like no. There's no room the nuance and the science I hope I don't think that was that complicated right. Even if you don't have any interest in astronomy or anything like that like it's not that hard to get the actual story but of course we live living just click click based world so and why point this out is one day like I'm pretty confident with all the extra planets out. There were GonNa find the one that checks all the boxes X.'s right. It's GonNa be about the radius of the earth. It's going to be in its habitable zone. It's going to have liquid water in the atmosphere. It's going to check everything we think we need. We need to go find life and like look harder and you know do do you look for that kind of thing and then we can be all excited and we found the one that just like ours found the goldilocks planet but until that time you know I'm sure we're GONNA have more false alarms so I'm basically bringing this up because I know you'll see articles in the New York Times and wired all all these kind of places that kind of cover these things and generally they do a decent job but basically it's like. I WanNa just pointed out so when we talk about these again or you see it yourself. Delve you have the tools to kind of think about it. You can check these boxes of like you know once again. It's not that like obviously there's nuance to it but it's just not that hard relative to what they make. You believe it's like what does NASA doing literally. They're just thinking about like this planet earth and they're trying to apply it and find it elsewhere in the universe in the solar system in the in the galaxy right so they're just looking for earth again so same temperature looking for water. Don't WanNa die. Radiation don't want to burn up in boyle the he don't WanNA freeze to cold like a pretty obvious things so it's gotta check all those boxes so I'm just actually read the articles in like go through and generally people are going for clicks so anyway that's KTAR eighteen be you know gotta cover more astronomy stuff. It is the thirty one podcasts after all so definitely gonNA bring more space space story so hope okay enjoyed that one so I did. 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Dr. Mark Hoffman, Research Associate Professor at the University of Missouri, Kansas City
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Please send up to info at scientific sense dot com. And I can be reached at Gil at eappen Dot Info. Mike yesterday's Dr Mark Hoffman, who is a research associate professor in the University of Minnesota Against City. He is also chief research inflammation officer in the children's Mussa hospital in Kansas City. Kiss research interests include health data delayed indication sharing initialisation Boca Mark. Thank you for inviting me. Absolutely. So I start with one of your papers Kato you need the use by our system implementation in defy date data resource from hundred known athlete off my seasons. So Michio inflicted. Data aggregated for marketable sources provide an important resource for my medical research including digital feel typing. On. Like. Todd beat to from a single organization. Guitar data introduces a number of analysis challengers. So. So you've worked with some augmentation log and in almost all cases be used. Data coming from that single macy's listen primary care behavioral. Or specialty hospitals and I always wondered you know wouldn't be nice. Get a data set. That sort of abrogates data from the radio on-ice. Asians but a lot of different challenges around that. So you wanted to talk a bit about that. I'd be happy to the resource that we've worked with. Is primarily a called health fax data resource. It's been in operation for almost twenty years. And the the the model is that organizations who are. Using these Turner Electronic. Health. Record. Enter into an agreement was turner they agreed to provide data rights to sern are. The identifies the date of affords aggregated into this resource. And certner provides data mapping, which is really critical to this type of work. It also the aggregate the data. And for the past probably six years. Then, they provide the full data set to especially academic contributors who want to do research with that resource. And I've been on both sides of that equation Lead that group during my career there, and then now I have the opportunity to really focus research on that type of data. So before we get into the details smog so e Itar Systems. So this is. Essentially patient records. So he gets dated like demographics out family history, surgical history hats, medications, lab solves it could have physician nodes no snow. So it's it's a combination of a variety of different types of data, right? A couple of things on the examples you gave it includes demographics. Discreet Laboratory results Medication orders. Many vitals so If access the blood pressure and pulse data. It does not include text notes because those can't be. Automatically identified consistently. So. We don't have access currently to TEX notes. Out of an abundance of caution. That his Hobby Stephen, physician writes something down they could use names they could use inflammation that could then point back to their. Patients Makita Perspective been the data's aggregated, the primary issue shoe that date has completely the identified, right? Correct. So. So yeah. So the data that we receive there's eighteen identifiers. Hip requires be removed from data. And those include obvious things like name address email addresses are another example One of the. Things. That is also part of the benefit of working with this particular resource. The. Dates of clinical service are not allowed to be provided under hip. White is done with this resource that allows us to still have a longitudinal view is. For any given patient in the data set the dates are shifted by A. Consistent. Pattern that for any given patient it can be. One two three four five weeks forward or one, two, three, four or five weeks backward. But that preserves things like day of the week effect. So for example, you see -nificant increase in emergency department encounters over weekends and you don't WanNa lose. Visibility to that. but it also allows us to receive. Very, granular early time stamped events in so. We can gain visibility into the time that a blood specimen was collected, and then the time that the result was reported back. And so we're able to do very detailed analyses with this type of resource. Right right and I don't know the audience our market is fragmented. Tau himself e Amorebieta providers out there. and so two issues. One is sort of. Standardization as to how these databases are designed and structured and others even that standardization that the actual collection of the data. In itself is not standardized played. So vk CAV vk potentially lot inability coming from different systems. Correct and that's part of what the paper that you mentioned Evaluates so. Often, night you out in the field in conferences you hear. Comparisons kind of lumping all organizations using one. Vendor lumping all using another together but as you get closer to it, you quickly learn that. It's not even clear. It's within those. Vendor markets. There's variation from organization to organization in how they use the e Hr and so. Because the identities of the. Contributing organizations are blinded to those of us who work with the data. We have to be creative about how we. Infer those implementation details, and so with this paper, we describe a couple of methods that We think move things forward towards that goal. Yes. So I'm not really familiar with that. So you mentioned a couple of things here. One is the the merge network. So this initiative including electric medical records and genomics network and pc off net the national patient, centered clinical research network support. Decentralized analyses that goes disparate systems by distributing standardized quotas to site. So this is a situation where you have multiple systems sort of. Communicating with each other and this net folks at allowing to sort of quickly them In some standardized fashion. So In this type of technology, there's janitorial core models. One is the. Federated or distributed model, the other is a centralized data aggregation. So there are examples including those that are mentioned in the paper where. Queries are pushed to the organization and. They need to do significant work upfront to ensure that there are standardizing their terminologies the same way. And once they do that upfront work than they're able to perform the types of queries that are distributed through those. Federated Networks. With. Okay. So that just one click on so that the police have standardized. So all on the at Josh site, then they have like some sort of a plan slater from from Stan Day squatty do all the data structure. And in many cases, they work through an intermediate technology. that would be. In general, consider it like a data warehouse. And so the queries are running against the production electric. Health record. That has all kinds of implications on patient care where you don't want to slow down performance. By using these intermediaries They can receive queries and then Follow that mapping has occurred. Than, they're able to to run those distributed queries. Okay. And the other model is You know. You say the g through the medical quality, improvement consortium and sooner to the health facts initiative. So this says in Sodas case, for example, in swags. This is essentially picking up data from the right deals, clients and Dan standardizing and centralizing data in a single database is that that is correct. One benefit of that model is that Organizations who for example, may not be academic and don't have the. Resources to do that data mapping themselves by handing out over that task over to the vendor you get a broader diversity of the types of organizations so you can have. A safety net hospitals you can have. Critical access rural hospitals, and other venues of care that are probably under represented in some of those. More academically driven models. And clearly the focus on healthcare about I would imagine applications in pharmaceutical out indeed to right I. Don't know if it s use and bad direction there has been some were performed with these data resources to. Characterize different aspects of medications, and so it does have utility in value. In a variety of. Analytical contexts. I was thinking about you know a lot of randomized clinical trials going on into Kuwait context and One of the issues of dispatch seem development toils that are going on that one could argue the population there are not really well to percents. it may be number by Auditees, men, people that deputy existing conditions. and. So he will serve at my come out of facedly trial. granted might work for the population. Tried it minority have sufficient? more largely. So I wanted this type of well I guess we don't really have an ID there right. So clearly, you don't know who these people are but they could be some clustering type analysis that might be interesting weight from It's very useful for Health Services Research and for outcomes research for you know what I characterize digital phenotype being. they can then guide. More, more formal research. you know you can use this type of resource to. Make sure. You're asking a useful question and make sure that there's likely to be. Enough patients who qualify for given study. Maybe you're working on a clinical trial in your casting your net to narrow you can. Determine that with this type of data resource. And is the eight tiff date who has access to it typically. So for this data resource on, it's through the vendor so. You need to have some level of footprint with them. which is the case with our organization. They're definitely a broadening their strategies. So they're. Gaining access into health systems that aren't exclusively using their electronic health records so. It's exciting to be a part of that that process. and to again work with them to. Analyze the data. I think. To the example you gave a formal randomized trials. In key part of what were growing our research to focus on is because this is real world data. You learn what's happening in practice whether or not it's well aligned with guidelines or formal protocols. And doing that there's many opportunities for near-term interventions that can improve health outcomes simply by. Identifying where providers may be deviating more from. Best Practices in than taking steps through training and education to kind of get them back towards those best practices. This data is a fresh on a daily basis. It's not. It's because it's so large and bulky? Typically we've received it on a quarterly basis in since it's retrospective analysis that's not been a major barrier. But. mechanistically, on onto soon aside is data getting sort of picked up from this system that it's harvested every day and then it's aggregated bundled and distributed on A. On a different timescale. Okay okay. So. From again, going to the, it's our system designed issue and implementation You say many HR systems comprised of more news at specific clinical processes or unit such as Pharmacy Laboratory or surgery talked about that. But then then people implement them this of fashion right they they implement modules by that can be a factor or sometimes they may want. One vendor for their primary electronic health record, but another vendor for their laboratory system. and so that's where you don't see a hundred percent usage of every module and every organization. And detailed number of different you know sort of noise creating issues in data one. This is icy speech over from ICT denied ten. and I don't know history of this but this was supposed to be speech with sometime in twenty fifteen. That's correct. So there is A. You know. There's a date in October of Twenty fifteen where most organizations were expected to have completed that transition. When I see with researchers who aren't as familiar with the you know the whole policy landscape around `electronic health records that? you can imagine researchers who assumed that all data before that date in October is is nine and all data after that date would be icy the ten. While we demonstrate in this paper, is that that transition was not Nearly, that clean and it was a much more, you know there are some organizations who just It the bullet and completed in twenty fourteen, and there are other organizations that were still lagging. In. Two Thousand Sixteen. Potentially because they weren't as exposed to those incentives in other things that you know stipulated the transition so. Part of why were demonstrating with that particular part of that work was that. you know these transitions aren't always abrupt. Yeah and and and so that is one issue and then you know a lot of consistency inconsistency issues fade. So we see that in in single systems and one of the items note here as you know if you think about the disposition code for death. you could have a right your race supercenter, right? It's a death expire expedite at home hospice, and so on. if this is a problem for a single system, but then many think about aggregating data from multiple sources this this problem sort of increased exponentially. Absolutely. So one of the challenges with documenting and and finding where you know if a patient has A deceased that. There's just multiple places to put that documentation in the clinical record. The Location in the record that. We have found to be the most consistent is what's called discharge disposition. By as we show in that analysis, that field is not always used document that and so if you're doing outcomes research and one of your key. Outcome metrics is death. And there are organizations that. Aren't documenting death in a place that successful. You should filter those out of your analysis before moving forward. And so part of what we wanted to promote is the realization that. That's the type of consideration that needs to be made The four. Publishing. Your data about an outcome metrics like death that. You're not. If you're never gonNA see that outcome it doesn't mean that people are. Dying in that particular facility, it just means it's not documented in the place that successful. Right. Yeah. So you know you on your expedience. Unique Position Mark because you you look at it from the from the vendor's perspective you're in an academic setting you're also in practice in a hospital. What's your sense of these things improving the on a track of getting getting this more standardize or it's camping in the other direction I think in general there is improvement I think The. Over the past eleven years through various federal mandates, including meaningful use and so forth. Those of all incentive organizations to utilize. Standard terminologies more consistently than was the case beforehand. I think there's still plenty of room for improvement and You know it's it's a journey, not a destination, but I think things have improved substantially. I was wondering there could be some applications of artificial intelligence here to In a clearly TATECO systems and you'd like the most them pity human resource intensive Yvonne to get it completely right. So one question would be you know, could be actually used a Dick needs to get it maybe ninety nine percent white. And that the human deal with exceptions I definitely think that that's an exciting direction that You want those a algorithms to be trained with good data, and that's a big part of what's motivated us to. Put this focus on data quality and Understanding these strange nuances that are underpinning that date has so that. As we move towards a in machine learning and so forth. We have a high level of confidence in the data that's training those algorithms. Right. Yeah. I think that a huge opportunity here because it's not quite as broad as NFL, not natural language processing it is somewhat constrained. that is a good part of it. The back part of it is that is highly technical. and so. you know some of the techniques you know you can have a fault tolerance in certain dimensions such as you know, misspellings lack of gambling and things like that. But as you have Heidi technical data, you cannot apply those principles because he could have misspelling the system may not be able to. Get, sometimes, and that's where you know I think. It's totally feasible to use. Resources to you know when you're dealing with. Tens of millions of patients and billions of detailed records. Using a I'd even identify those patterns of either. Inconsistent data or missing data it's also very powerful just to. kind of flag in identified. Areas that need to be focused on to lead to a better analysis. Greg Wait Be Hefty. Use that information somehow did is a belt of information that you know and so it just filtering into decision processes that the are really losing it. So hopefully getting improving in that dimension I've jumping to another paper bittersweet interesting. So it's entitled rates and predictors of using opioids in the Emergency Department Katrina Treat Mike Dean in Young Otto's and so so this is sort of a machine learning exercise you have gone through to locate you know coup is getting prescribed. OPIOIDS water the conditions for the Democrat not Nestle demographics but different different maybe age and things like that gender. and and then ask the question desert has some effect on addiction. In the long term rights. So that project To great example of team science though. We. Assembled a team of subject matter experts in neurology pain management. And Data Science and. The neurologist and pain management experts. Identified an intriguing question that we decided to pursue with data. In their question was. Based on anecdotal observation and so we thought it'd be interesting to see how well the data supported that. Observation is that. for youth and young adults Treated or admitted into the emergency. Department. With a migraine headache that. All too often they were treated with an opioid. And so we Use the same day to resource that we were discussing earlier. To explore that. Question. And using data from a hundred and eighty distinct emergency departments. We found that on average twenty, three percent of those youth and young adults were treated with. An opioid medication while they were in the emergency department. In general, it should be almost zero percent in general. There's really Better medications to us, four people presenting with a migraine. and. So this fits into obviously the OPIOID crisis it. it demonstrates the. Scenario describing that. You know using real world data. You can identify patterns of clinical behavior that. Don't match guideline. And the good news is that the? correctable and so through. Training and communication there's great opportunity to. To, manage this. Really. Striking. So fifteen thousand or so inevitably the encounters. And nearly a quarter of this encounters you say involved inoculate. and these are not just Misha and Congress right. It is not filtered down to migraine encounters. Okay. Okay. So these fifteen thousand just might in encounters might vein being repeating disease So once you. If you make a statement and. This or not Easter conditioning issue here. So you get your pain, you go to an emergency department and you get treated with an opioid you get quick tactical relief. From pain. auditing condition expect that in the next episode. So you can say we didn't pursue that particular question, but that is Definitely key part of. Managing the OPIOID crisis is that drug seeking behavior and so Part of our goal was to quantify that and use this as an opportunity to educate providers that. You really shouldn't be treating migraines with an opioid in there are better alternatives and. So we we felt that this was an important contribution to that national dialogue, but we didn't specifically pursue the question of whether the patients we analyzed. Within. Encounter show up Subsequently. With the same symptoms. Right right. Yeah you it develop into period when problematic patterns of drug use comedy. FEST MERGE THE PREVALENCE RATE OF OPIOID misuse estimated to be two to four percent and debts in each goofy just young adult drew from overdoses are rising. and. You say that literally prescribe IOS has been slumping loose future opioid misuse by thirty three percent. Betas Mehta say really huge number. I think just validates the importance of this of this work. Interesting mark. I don't know you exploded on data. Last the question if you look at the aggregate data, it'd be flying opioid. Misuse. what percentage of the total number. Actually started from. You know some sort of medical encounter has mike or some sort of. related encounter that could be completed otherwise was three a bit opioid. in that encounter documented resulted in that misuse. So what so If you look at the active misuse problem that we have today. do you have a sense of what percentage of that goal is actually started I? Think the exciting thing about this type of research is for everyone questioned that you pursue you have. You have ten new that you can pursue. We haven't. Delved into that specific area, but it's It's very ripe for further analysis and A considerable part of where I end my colleagues and our time as. We do this type of work to get an initial analysis published. And then You know in my leadership role I just WANNA. support people like my colleagues on this paper Mark Connelly Jennifer Bickel. in in using data to. Support their research into identify those follow. I mean, he tests policy implications. So it's sweet important work. and. If you find it direct relationship here than you have to ask you know from from a medical perspective what is right intervention? maybe is not just added of care just best practice but clearly should be the bay You know things should be looked at you say you're American Academy of Neurology has included avoidance of using opioid to treat gain one of stop top flight choosing wisely recommendations. For high-value duck in this gives Really evidence to to support that. The other thing that's really intriguing is this level of variation from site to site in. Some Sun facilities are very much aligned with the guidelines. Others are at the you know well, above twenty three percent. And that gives an opportunity for a really precision. conversations about you know, where does our organization stand on that spectrum? Yeah that's a that's an interesting avenue to right. So you know one could ask he says some sort of push sliced Intervention if we can fly goal of patients who who had gone an opioid sexually don't have an addiction problem. that as you know Anna, the kofoed does. if you can fly those type of patterns than you can think about. A customized within electronic health record systems. There's. The ability to provide decisions poor. There's certainly phenomena called pop up fatigue were physicians. You know they don't like having so many pop up windows but at the same time. It's Within the capability of an e e Hr to do that if then logic if patient has. migraine medication order equals opioid. encourage the provider to pause and reconsider that. Right, right and so this is supervised machine learning type analysis where so you have. you have number features that comes directly from each else. So each sex race ethnicity. insurance type. Encounter prostate suggest duration. time of the year and so on. and you have labeled data in this case I guess you have able tater because you would know if op- inscribed on trade. Okay and so are the two questions here. One is to ask the question given a new patient and those features. you could assign a probability that that patient will be prescribed will. Definitely. Impress the data from that predictive Minds. Right and then can you so that data definitely tell you if the patient is going to progress into some sort of an addiction issue. So. Earn Predicting Substance Abuse. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's additional diagnosis codes that document. whether a patient has a history of substance abuse disorder. and. So it would be feasible to. Identify the with those diagnosis codes in than really look at their prior history. Of What other conditions were they treated for? What medications were they give in? to develop that model. One of the things in this case that helped with this study is that just in general, it's not advised get. So there are other things that are much more of a gray area. Or whether opioid is as useful, but in this case. The really not. Considered. To be helpful for migraines compared to other options and so that help us have a fairly clear cut scenario to do this work. Yeah. This this won't be the data like you say once you do something like this, you have been other things you could. You could stop asking. So unquestioned that that been to my mind as you know, how did they hugged the actually prescribing opioids? Is it the patient asking for it all so? Off that was another scoping thing with this project is focused on what happens within the emergency. Room. So it's it's. Really, medication order in administration that happens. In that emergency room setting. Whether or not the patient. was. Requesting that you know if they came in and said, this has worked for me before. Can I have it again? we don't have visibility to that. Right. Right. And so from a practical perspective So the the analysis that you did slightly ended up with the Family Clyde power we think it is. Compelling. Pretty compelling. So as as a new patient gets into e D either high. and what I mean by that probably is if there is a history of substance abuse property. the physician has really think twice about. The use of may be the well, and in this case, even without that history. Just because it's not considered to be an effective treatment. You know encouraging them to pause in that decision making. In this particular case is as effective as wall. Right. So looking forward. In if you think about both of these issues, one is the data quality data aggregation data standardized recent problem in the the right of Utah Systems have did that the talked about? And then if we can get to a level that we can look at cross a large data set. Beacon, ask. More. US specific questions, treatment. Optimum treatment type questions. subpoenaed. US The mark big think B be hunting. Certainly, the volume and variety of data that we're able to work with will be even greater I, think the. Opportunity To. Look, holistically at how upstream data capture. Effects Downstream data. Analysis. example I frequently give is if we have a Aggregate Data said we identify. Ten patients whose way in that data such shows up as being. Something that's completely infeasible. let's say they're documented is being. Fifty year old person who weighs two pounds. Clearly air. What's important is? Creating the process to communicate that back upstream. Because that clinical decision. Support. Many drug dosing things are evaluated using weight based logic and so. That same logic that's Evaluating the appropriateness of dosage. It's going to be running against an incorrect value in that may or may not always be visible. So I really am intrigued with that holistic opportunity. In it I am I remain just we have three or four additional papers coming out. About other examples where Provider behaviors not aligned with Best Practices and I'm just excited about you know when you compare that to how long it takes to develop a new drug or how long it takes to. To a really long term research. This research has the opportunity for a pretty quick turnaround on an effective intervention. A really that. Other so much that right. Providers. been taught in a no, but they're. Not always using that in practice and so to help them. Identify, those topics in just modifying behaviors is. In the scheme of things, it's a very straightforward way to improve. So. You know the entire spectrum from essentially getting the data. Right or cleaner like you know Missa mischaracterized or miss input data like wait or something like that. To to get. Better diagnosis better treatment modalities. policies there and from a femme perspective clearly inflammation therefore clinical trials. I was even thinking about drug interaction type. Inflammation. I haven't been involved in the former de for awhile but. Typically, this type of data doesn't get back into automatic processes that fast but I think that is all I know there's strong interest in Pharma in. Working with this type of data there a again looking at real world behavior. This is an excellent resource for off label medication use at. you know where Pharma's Always interested in repurposing existing medications the. Regulatory Processes, much more straightforward for that because the safety is already been. Evaluated and so. The. Significant Opportunity With this, there's also just exciting. Patterns of you know. What are those unrecognised correlations? That's where the machine learning opportunities are really exciting where. You know we're not always asking the right question. And the data can show us what we should be. Yeah exactly. So if the machine a sort of red flags something or create hypotheses. that Cubans have missed sometimes, those types of things are extremely powerful. because maybe that sometimes it's countering tutor. and so we all look at data with an Incan bias. The beauty of machines that at least on the surface began deploy Michigan. This volume of data. Techniques like machine deep learning can recognize those subtle but consistent associations. Wait quite. Excellent. Idea this has been great mark Thanks so much time with me. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you. But