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How Polar Bears Keep Their Cool
"If you found yourself instantly transported to the freezing Arctic your first concern would be keeping keeping warm. But what about the animals that make their homes on these vast fields of ice and snow. The polar bears need to worry about freezing to death. Actually a polar bears biggest problem is keeping cool not keeping warm thanks to its thick code for its tough hide and a four inch layer of blubber a polar. There is extremely well insulated. Indeed if a resting polar bear is photographed with infrared film. kind of film which can measure the amount of heat escaping being from body. The polar bear won't even show up at all that doesn't mean polar bears are as cold as the surrounding ice their normal body temperatures about the same as hours. It simply means that polar bears retain their body heat very well. In fact a polar bear can rest in a pit of icy snow at temperatures as low as minus thirty four degrees Fahrenheit without needing to burn any extra fat for warmth while this insulation is great for keeping warm. It can lead to some serious overheating as a result. Polar bears don't like to run after their prey chasing seal it only four and a half miles an hour. A polar polar bears temperature climbs to a feverish hundred degrees. It may have to lie on. Its back with its feet in the air to cool down. Polar bears prefer to hunt by waiting anura hole in the ice and letting dinner come to them. It's the best way to conserve energy and keep cool in the Arctic north. This moment of science comes comes from Indiana University. There are thousands more moments of science on our website at a moment of science dot. Org where you can also view videos IOS and sign up for podcasts. I Nya Cassandra.
Total Meditation: Meditation Mode
"I. Hybrid way you come back to daly breath I'm Deepak Chopra. On new series is called total budget. If. You'd like to learn even more about what we'll be covering in this series, my new book total Titian. Practices and living the awakened life is now available in both hardcover and on digital platforms. Meditation. Mode. Exists in every way to serve as a basic purpose. That is totally necessary. Your mind goes into meditation mode out of the need to be in balance. All Meditation Practices stemmed from this need. We must try to understand it the deeper understanding the more valid total meditation will be. So when I say balance what do I mean? Balances a good English word for self-regulation. In biology. Word homeless home is means. Constancy of the internal environment, the physical environment internally biological processes self-regulation. Home. Your stasis. State of dynamic non change in the midst of change. So if you exert yourself, your heart rate blood pressure will go up. But when you stop that activity, everything will return back to normal or what we call homeostasis. Every bodily function knows how to return to what we call homebase. The capacity to regroup and re. Is embedded in us? Think of your body's ability to regulate its temperature even under extreme conditions. Your body stays I'd approximately the same temperature ninety eight point, four degrees Fahrenheit give or take a little bit up or down. There is a resting place for mentally equally brim to. So when we go into meditation mode, we actually had the opportunity. To, return to balance to return to self-regulation to return to who missed stasis. Mine knows how to return home. So, this might be a new notion for some of you the mind rebalancing itself from its constant will of thoughts activity in the mind itself. What is the constant background of mental activity? If we went to think seriously about this, you will see. That awareness is the constant background of AW mental activity. And this background is also not passive it's active. Draws back into equilibrium just as MRS to the body. Awareness is the point of mental state. That begin called. self-regulation the mind hand for the body at the same time. Consciousness is the totality. There's no distinction between physical mental balance. When you come down often argument yourselves are also gumming duck. I want to tell you about channel kindness a new book from Lady Gaga and born this way foundation reporters, Lady Gaga and her mother. Cynthia German. co-founded born this way foundation with the mission to support the mental wellness of young people and work with them to build kind or communities, online and offline. Through their work with the foundation and its storytelling platform channel. Kindness they've collected stories of inspiration from young change makers. You can read these stories now in Lady Gaga and born this way foundations first book channel kindness. Within these pages, you'll meet people who found their inner strength prevailed in the face of bullies started their own social movements and decided to break through the mental health stigma. The message of being kind is important now more than ever and channel kindness is the perfect way to show that kindness truly is the universal language. Read share inspire get your copy of channel kindness today. Meditation wouldn't work unless the mind already had re-balancing mechanism. Meditation brings consciousness into view from its hiding place in the background.
COVID-19 Vaccine Update: What's the gossip?
"Controversial subjects today. We were talking about updates for the vaccines. We are all waiting for for covid. Nineteen we got my dern. We got pfizer fighting it out to be the first ones in our arms and we're also going to talk about when it comes to conservatives or liberals how to our brain sort of think around getting a vaccine i feel like often i want avoid covid because as can be so depressing about this at least has some hope. Some uplifting news. That's good picture records on those china. I was trying to sing a hopeful song. And i thought of one and that came out and that wasn't the one i was trying to think but we're trying to think i was trying to say kind of what came into your mind. What i wanted was there series. Moffat song gave me mavericks soun- that's an uplifting song right. Yeah for sure. i don't know that's from. It's from like two or three years ago when we were like in the trump presidency and like needing uplifting and it was sort of a one hit wonder right think by someone just being like olympic energy. Okay great to know. Happy friday to us happy wednesday to everybody else if you are in ontario or actually specifically toronto. You're locked down starting monday. We just found that out moments before recording this breaking news. So we'll see. How hopefully everyone's doing well. If you're in full lockdown. I know different cities across america have gone through different scenarios i think. La has different curfews or trying. They don't wanna lockdown but yeah so toronto is locking down everything except essential services. I believe right. Yeah i mean it doesn't affect our life because we don't have our but it's still has like a vibe to it. The city will change because we go for walks every day and see people like on outdoor patios and of like that will now just be done not done forever but for now. I know we haven't done. I haven't gone. We haven't gone to a patio. Whenever i see people had patio. Oh that looks nice out front on the sidewalk. I'm like it doesn't it seems pretty safe. I mean obviously you're still interacting with dishes and touching and glasses and all those kind of things in general that at least the circulation of the. It's pretty pretty confident. At least with the pre journals that i read every i read about this all the time so scary but burg. Pretty confident that it's like very much aerosols that you need to worry about indoor spaces as opposed to surfaces like no need to wash the cucumbers and cucumbers in the dishwasher really did that at the beginning of the pandemic. We were really like really cleaning all of our grocery like wiping down. Our miss vicki beck jets. It's so weird canadian brand as well. I don't think that's american janet. They found they found glass. I was like dos not gonna stop there so girl. This guy's gonna much much down on glass we can get some is biggest assistance if it means discounted sure i'll take him. That's truly disturbing. But i must say i found it very weird because i'm like miss vicki's already tastes kind of does glass in it. I usually end up being like my tongue. Hurts and my throat hurts after. I eat it so salty and vinegary. I wake up hung over. Oh yeah. I mean to like any time. I eat chips at this age. At this age girl anything i me hangover too much salt and i can tell the next morning. The only thing that doesn't give me a hangover lentils which i mean last name. You're welcome think. I'm on a kick soaking leg homes because i didn't really know that until recently that you don't have to buy them canned. I mean i knew you could buy them dry. I have used like dried lentils in stews. But i've never just like soaked chickpeas and just soak lentils or just cook them raw without anything else and then even them. So i'm into that now. I'm already exciting. I'm fighting all the time from all of this but you're not actually last night because it was like a heavy leg meal. I actually was like uncomfortable. My digest and wasn't great. Oh really the. Sulfur was coming out or he just fouled may could have been something else. But i was like oh i did. I had it was like chickpeas and lentils and keen wa. And i don't know. I just felt like i was very healthy but then it's creating a lot. Whenever i eat healthy i i so much moving on. Oh this week. So i have something. That's like classic twenty twenty energy that i learned this week and it is that murder. Hornets are back. Oh girl. I'm throwing this microphone down picking my drink. I've been walking out of here with the briefcase. Why because okay. Why we're we're done with moore martyr. Hornets call okay. So i if you forgot about them. They're basically that. Invasive giant hornet species native to asia and they have potentially deadly stings so they not only kill other bees. They like decapitate them. Thirty to fifty people in japan alone die every year. So that's the summary of what they were and you might remember the year. It was like they have been found in the united states for the first time ever. They crossed the ocean. Sorry thirty fifteen full dying every year from these bs. I did not know that. I kinda like this whole time. I was like up like click bait title that actually. I have to be honest. I don't know if i could have allergies. They could have there could be i. There are different conditions. They me basically. Since they found those hornets they have since then earlier in the urban trying to find more trying to find their nest trying to figure out like are they going to proliferate in america this is in washington state so there is a research center out there. That's been looking into this. And they finally found the first murder hornets nest in the us. Oh fine ninety you. There was five hundred hornets developing in various stages like obviously somewhere like larvae pupae or whatever there were almost two hundred queen hornets. That were either born already or growing. Queensland house down dotty queensland is every one of those screens has the potential to create her own nest. Leave the nest. They made they hibernate and reproduce the following spring so the scary part is okay. That's potentially two hundred more or less and then like many more bees hornets rather so. Yeah the good thing. Is that these researchers kill it killed killed. What are you serious. Well really energy save. Save the murder hornets. I don't know we'll because these hornets destroy other bees including honeybees that are really important in our ecosystem that it be like thrown out of order. And they're not. Suddenly a new species comes in and just start killing. They're not native to the americas exactly so it's like they. They feel that they have the right to extinguish. They murdered the murder horn day. Should make a movie about the discovery in the murder of it or maybe just a ten minute long video. I don't know capacity of this like a minute. Long tiktok on our brains. Actually maybe a thirty second real but here we are making an hour long podcast. Who in the right nine had. The intellectual capacity wasn't anything our these days let alone ridha boat okay. What'd you learn. I learned i finished. This book called fashion opelousas chefs. Kiss great book trying to figure out. How do you live on this earth and wear clothing without feeling bad about yourself. Turns out very very challenging very very very challenging job vowed to shop secondhand since the beginning of the great place to start except only recently. Greg realized he was like me. Can i not get underway secondhand. And i was like i don't think so. Yeah that's so true. I haven't had to rebuy underwear. Do famously have holes in all manner and coming out. I think that's a fair thing that you can buy firsthand so anthropologists think that at any given moment half the world's population is wearing jeans. we're gene. Oh my god look at this case. Study did not plan and actually hate jeans. Now that i read this book and like the fact that my body. I'm looking. I'm like i. Hey i got the secondhand aka. My friend gave them to me. So eight hundred thousand genes are created a day in just one tiny part of china called zinn tang. that's just one example of the excessive amount of genes that are just made. It takes eighteen thousand liters of water to make one pair of jeans. Gosh The average american own seven pairs so one for every day next to socks and underwear genes like just denim. Jeans are the most popular Garment that's surprising next to what we saw they loop socks and underwear together assuming they're made up like cotton or whatever but then it's denim jeans as the third most popular garment so i was like that's actually in the whole world the whole world. Isn't that weird. How did that come to be an jeans. Are jeans are relatively reassurance. Exactly just i think it just has to do with the fact that it's just a staple i think people really do buy them more than i think we realize that i don't have that many genes but i just think of something. I have many pants. But i only have one pair of jeans and t-shirts come in a variety of materials. So up the way that you define this denim jeans and yeah so i really like you can read more about what actually the impact. This is on the world but it is pretty juicy dating fashion off. Louis i would recommend the book. It's i would say the first quarter of it is sort of talking about like this type of thing more of the scientific statistic angles the devastation of like what we've done to countries like dash just to try and get cheap clothing the latter most of it's actually about alternatives and it's all really based like american centric about like making my siham bags like bags out of mushrooms and natural dyes which are really interesting so it gives a lot of tangible solutions which i like but it is very up in the air. I think right now a lot of the things that it suggesting that we do. I've looked into and tried to like. I bought that mushroom bag. And they're like they don't deliver them. They haven't even started to like them. Oh like a company is like in pre production. Yeah and a lot of it is about these really interesting fabrics but like Stella mccartney is going to start using it next year like it's like it's all very fascinating but it's not feeling right now but i really do think that like one thing i really took away. Is that we all have to change the way that we shop a lot of people talking about this. We need to be buying less at a higher quality which does mean we need to be paying more for our products which is something that i think that everyone can start to like maybe shift the way that they talk. It's like oh. I got this for cheap. Like how much should you buy that. It was on sale like that way when we think about clothing especially we need to reframe to buy higher quality products made maybe still in bangladesh really important but with Like holding companies to paying those workers more actually giving them the rights to be in buildings that are made properly. That's going to mean as a consumer you're going to have to pay more slash right. Shoring is what it's called. When you bring back industries to canada or to america or to europe or to china to wherever you actually live having things being made there are going to cost more so that was one thing i would say is just like we should probably stop boasting about how cheap we got products would i do find is an interesting thing. That's kind of clicked for me. Like i don't know dissembling. People brag it's human nature. I think it was good to get deal. And that's why couponing is so popular. That's why having you know what i mean even when i go to the grocery store there's they know if they put like it's on discount even if it was marked up and now it's undisguised. It's the same price as before. It feels like you kind of one something. Yeah so. I think they they. Being a corporations or people who are selling products are very aware of this and they want to sell more products. And so that's what they do. Yeah i would say anecdotally. And i'm sure other people. This is a challenge that i do agree that closed that i bought that were cheaper. Tend to last not as long. But there's the few times that i have bought something. Sorry i bought more expensive things but a couple of times. I bought expensive things and then they still broke and then died. Leveson my and what were they. Just whether it be like shirts. Like i bought a couple nice shirt and then a sweater will like fray the what do you call like. The stitching opens up. And i'm like. I spent so much on this and now it's broken that like i just i know that's probably less common. I think when you spend more you're typically getting better quality of course there's like scales and all companies are different. But i imagine for other people as well that might be that. Like weird bias. That what you call that when it's just like confirmation confirmation bias of thinking or the risk is higher and so people think of i spend less even if it breaks. It's not as big of ways but you're right there's ways that can think that we should be working around that interesting. I never thought of that but yet that's true. Lots on that topic to come for the rest of our lives. Truly figure it out. Jeans take so much water that if we keep buying maybe do there won't be any more water so let alone just for jeans. I'm like what about my asaf. Nourishing body okay. Oh my goodness good news everybody does. This is actually really exciting. We're obviously a little bit. They've this coming out next week and so this will be a little bit late. Most people have heard. But there's some really great news around covid nineteen vaccines around the efficacy of them around the time. Line of them gregory. Why do you think about this. Who knew who knew that on this podcast. We'd be like it's so funny. How many like pfizer press releases was like reading this week getting excited. I was like routing on the pharma companies deep down. I do not like professor. Okay so yeah. We've got to really effective vaccine three if you include the russian one all but they don't even really have final stage three information but they're saying they're really good sputnik by app yvette corona russia. Were actually going to ignore them. Sorry to our rush listeners. So when they say that in reading all of this. There's i keep having to read about operation warp speed. Which is the name of the american government funding system for these vaccines. And i'm just like what a horrible name. What a horrible name for our country that is rife with vaccine hesitancy issue. It's mike you shudder called operation. Gonna be thorough. It's also such Like six year old boy tried all. Is that yeah. It's just like the leash in warp speed is just like some dude who thought that was so cool and was like this is so epic. But it's actually the lane and don't you think someone in the meeting would be like well. What about the people who are worried about yeah. I did so mad about that. But i mean they did give a lot of money to both of these axes so that's just to know like if you're wondering where all this money came from of course also some came from dolly parton. Lol's happy about that million. She spent sears. She has so much money but she's basking so they're both am irony vaccines so that's really interesting because these have never actually been inoculated into humans before prior to these even phase three trials so there the fact that they're working so well is exciting for covid nineteen but it's also exciting for future vaccine. Yeah and just like scientists are so incredible and smart and that this process in pathway makes sense just even learning it as someone who loves cell biology but someone had to think of this and figure out how to actually do it but asia tons of things in your body in like fourth sell when they started to be like okay. You thought aren't trusted this. I'm going to fold on itself like r. n. A. is complicated and fascinating and i love it but essentially the way that this is working. Is that your aren. A it takes the instructions from the dna within cell and then essentially it codes for proteins and the site. Possum proteins are then built within your body kind of is like the owner is near la. I like everything about your body is created through these aren as and so what these vaccines do is. They're actually injecting the sars cop to arna like parts of it that code for the spike protein which everyone has seen if you've seen the actual visual depiction of the virus that's spike protein. Is what your then. Immune system needs to bind to learn about to build the immune response. So you're actually giving people. The are a to build the spike protein so that your immune system then sees them. Oh my gosh fun. Ernie laws aren't getting really excited about the science they're cheaper they're easier to make That's part of the reason why this has all happened really fast like we've talked about vaccines before it's not like you're giving their quote unquote dead virus. Actually just giving you know part of the ira so it's all just kind of really cool. Yeah so interesting in shocking to think that's possible like even as somebody who's taken many signs in genetics courses and biochemistry just knowing that we can insert things into a body that then goes deep into cell machinery and uses genetic code to build things so that the body learns how to fight things like mine and it's also the reason why we actually lived long and don't have these horrible like we don't have holy so many benefits from it and here we are about to come out of this. I mean about. Do we have to talk at the end of it a realistic time. Line going to the only way we're going to come out of this is through this specific type of scientific technology so it is fascinating and just like no you cannot get the coronavirus our covid nineteen from this vaccine does not how it works just because you're building a spike proteins as it may like build the virus all those fears that you might have around this are not true but what they were testing for was whether or not it could potentially make the disease worse or whether or not. You could get more sick things like this. We have not seen that happening. In fact we've now got these results. That are really very exciting about efficacy. Which we're going to go through right now to make us understand that. Not only do you not have to worry about the fact that like any of the false things you hear about vaccines. All the time are not true. We're now seeing that it's actually working and here's why so. It should be go through each one. Yeah i think so you kind of have like the stats of each one. While we talk about comparatively or you could just you wanted time. Just give us a summary of pfizer. Pfizer visor came earlier. Came and just like drop. Kick them out of the picture. It was like whoa come out here and ninety four point five. Now you're okay. Well spoiler advisor so visor had forty four thousand people split into two groups for their fight into two ones pacheco a placebo group. Which all sorry. You only got salt water. They're actually saying that because they're so effective they feel like they should give those people now. The actual vaccine that is also. Yeah that would be walking around like i would suck expected to walk around normally with no no. You live your life normally normal. There's an enough like disease on this planet that people okay and the doctor or nurse or whoever's inoculating you also doesn't now yeah i love that that's kind of interesting because of course if you're giving like maybe the nurse giving you the wrong woman to have a face like i'm so sorry. Yeah just giving us all water. Maybe like figure it out so one group that's the actual irony visor vaccine. The other group got the placebo. This ages is how italian say by the chiba with tomatoes. Twelve years up to eighty five years old. That's how many people were like. That's really interesting i mean. Of course they've gotta put greta. We've got on our hands. They yeah so they had ninety. Four lab confirmed cases. So this is like after all this time cove covid nineteen so these people just went and lived about their lives and then they were just like. Let's find out who gets. Kobe and eighty of the cases received the placebo whereas nine of the cases were from the vaccine grew. Are they come to the conclusion and ninety percent. Efficacy is the ninety percent of people who got it were. Yeah and no serious safety concerns and then the other thing is like they're releasing this because they're so excited it could go lower or higher because this trial will stop when they got one hundred. Sixty four confirmed confirmed covid nineteen cases. So that is actually a benchmark. They're trying to reach because that's just a standard maybe or that i think that's what they have set because madonna had a different number. It's not as obviously something. They probably just said their goals are like we will know. They probably like statistically calculate like what is a good number to no yeah based on the population and how many people are actually getting. Kobe assumed pfizer knows what they're doing. But this one has to be kept at minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit effective. That's one thing. What is that first of all. Get over yourself. America we need metric understand but mine is ninety four has. Has anyone ever been temperature. It's very cold. It's like dry ice cold and shake that is that colder than celsius. There's a. I actually should know this. Why shouldn't because i only know metric but there is point at which fahrenheit goes lower than celsius so obviously say like thirty degrees celsius is like like nine hundred ninety five degrees fahrenheit but when you get they cross at like minus thirty so something like minus thirty. Six is the same as minus. Thirty bucks shoots lower. And i'm like it's such a weird american exceptionalism in so funny. It's like just like join us on this earth please Yes so. That is a big issue. I really do like the temperature. It's like okay. A lot of this world is hotter and it's very hot in. It's going to be hard to people. Also you need to shots. So for example pfizer said it could have fifty million doses made by the end of two thousand twenty but that would actually only be for twenty five million people because you need to shots so for every day that they me many people over that was about end twenty twenty. Yeah for americans. Half for other people like places like canada working out to about nineteen dollars and fifty american dollars. Cents per dose based on this warp speed. And they're not going to be charging americans. Apparently now you're gonna feel what it's like to have free healthcare america. Oh so because it was funded. Probably why american. Yeah this warp speed is giving a lot of the money you can't. This is free for us. Yeah and a lot of German money as well so it's like pfizer and bio tech which is a german company. That dot one okay. So that was all really exciting and then the people dern these caddy little lilo fools gonna let you finish. There's only a gay. Pr bitchy gasquet pr guy. Who's like girl we gotta get in there like slams the bucks down like move over hun. We got around. Were we got. Okay so moderna comes. And they say they say only got thirty thousand participants. They bury that under the rug. Less people on necessarily wars. But just good. I want to know. So they're they're vaccine is ninety four point five percent so ninety five percent ninety five participants thirty thousand covert one thousand nine hundred ninety had the placebo and then five at the vaccine so again and there's is only needs to be stored at minus four degrees fahrenheit. Which is actually important to understand. Another thing i wanted to say is that said minus four degrees fahrenheit way more reasonable yes and it's actually really stable. They found that it was like it could stay in a fridge for twenty four hours and still being and i think i read. It could even be normal for twelve hours or something. Yeah room temperature. obviously i. It was twelve hours at room temperature. Thirty days Potentially that's amazing because that is a huge barrier for any vaccine. Is it's transport how long it lasts if you know stores or places or doctors and hospitals are buying these. How are they going to keep this many. And what did they do where they start them like. They have to have facilities in a whole plan in order to we are drinking again really gotten anyone's pink drink by the way it's a cider or this is what you've got is it by the way it's but it looks like pink lemonade anyway. Back to moderna So essentially amarnath. Vaccines are quite unstable. So they're put in lip. Tiny lipid nanoparticles. Is how you got them. But that's part of the reason why there's a lot of talk about temperature. Because they're not the most stable virus compared to like live attenuated viruses. Or the other ones that we've had so yeah. There is a really big push to understand to make sure that these things can stay effective in what temperature for how long because that's going to be a big part of it and they think they can have five hundred million to one billion doses by the end of twenty twenty one. Oh wow yeah. One hundred billion one one hundred barely and live that many again you need to so one billion vaccines means five. Hundred million people inoculate still amazing so so these are just two of the companies are still a lot of other. Yeah who knows. I bet there's a lot of pressure right now on a lot of other vaccine companies to start releasing data if they're not already planning to because they all want to have the headlines. I don't wanna feel like they're behind but it's good to know and good to feel like okay. Having lots of different options is good especially in terms of disparate. Oh yeah yeah for sure we are going to need. I m picturing like ten vaccine's out there. People are maybe getting diverse ones. I think it's really going to be about what ends up being the most effective and most useful to what's region. Yeah exactly and also. I just think it's really important to know. These are news releases. These are not peer reviewed studies. They are being really opened like we just went through. Exactly what happened and burr. Assuming that's what happened and we hope everything is truthful and not over sensationalized which i don't think it is but it is a really important caveat to say that these are news releases like they're all really excited. Dr anthony. She was expecting like sixty to seventy percent efficacy. So the fact that it's ninety and ninety four point five is a huge deal so they're obviously like we want to let people know and start to figure out how we get these out to people but they still need to be peer reviewed. And i also think it's just like we like how long does it last is still does and like the immunity. Miami don't know but at least that way by time so for example we obviously get flu shots every year because the flu is mutating and changing every season. they're trying to guesstimate what it will be. So there's a world where maybe the flu vaccine contains the covid vaccine yearly vaccine that you would just be up to date with. Yeah that's true. I've heard that's like maybe what might be happening. Got them every year. So i mean for now we just need something to get us to the point where we can have life back to normal or at least as close as it can be back to normal and then hopefully there's a system gets put in place where healthcare professionals figure out the best system if this vaccine is needed on a regular basis. I do think though a realistic time line for like you. And i getting in arm as civilians as not frontline workers as not teachers. I think might still be like fall. Twenty twenty one. His that too. But i i'm i'm more optimistic. I know i honestly do think that's the time. But there's just that part of me that hopes like somehow vaccine companies start up with really great results and vaccines are christmas. Ho ho at least you know hopeful- hopefully it can hopefully. This news can help a lot of people. I know it's going to be a hard winter. I think especially in the northern hemisphere. Obviously that's where we're having winter going into this having that bit of hope can put people's minds to say. Look this is gonna be tough but at least we can kind of see the day. The f- homeware yes. They were in the home stretch. I share. that's what. I really took away from this. I couldn't do this with an end in sight for sure. And you know that this is a almost gives it more purpose to be like. Let's make sure we continue our mask. Use hand sanitizer watching hands because once we reached the vaccine. That's when we can. We can see it now. This is not just like forever omaha picture. That's okay. i'm pitching it for this year but maybe it will come next year. It's going to be the best frigging christmas movie. Ever as literally called chris cringle. Christmas miracle probably exists. We all don't believe in santa because we're adults right or spoiler alert. Anyone don't say that kids believe because you don't believe doesn't mean it's not exactly okay. We'll talk about later by the way for children listening. Greg just doesn't believe in that's why you know why can't hear the ballon polar trust. I'm like a scrooge is it so it's this christmas say september twenty fifth. That's my birthday. Actually we all wake up in the morning. We had had doubts about santa but late in front of us are vaccine to ourselves. We have to give ourselves santa's who take a little prick from work and put it in two year long. And there's like a little muff anything beside it and it's i don't know he's baked offense or miss has and it's a christmas miracle and santa exists and santa actually figured out. The scene gives it to everyone. What are you talking about. It started as a movie and then it turned into a deal. So when when that movie come out Without this christmas or next by next then. Maybe like this didn't happen. Actually don't actually unimagined saying was real. Gave us all vaccine. Okay lawrence shirley. Let's take a little break and we're back and we're back so basically i'm going to tell you a little bit of a study. That is not directly related to the vaccine. Okay but it just came out and was a review any look at how conservatives and liberals view covid nineteen differently which i think will come into relevance not only with him without the vaccine but yeah just broadly in this I thought i just came across. And i wanted to share it and i don't want to try and make this overly political obviously like were very left leaning people but this isn't matron wretch vashem or anything. I just mean it's interesting to learn about how people think about different perspectives. And i'm sure there'd be like this take kind of specific to conservatives. Because political ideology has become one of the biggest predictors especially in america for how somebody perceives corona virus as a threat so and in saying that Liberal minded people tend to like believe coronavirus is a larger threat than conservative people. So i'm not trying to say anything weird about that. And i just wanna talk about this from the state's perspective. So basically what they found while reviewing all these people and understand their views on coronavirus and the pandemic is that conservatives are generally more sensitive to threats that are relatively high in agency which i'd never thought of relatively high and so what that means. Is you know something. That's high agency is something that has a specific amount of control. So if you think about a terrorist they are specifically trying to kill us. There is a human being or purse or whatever somebody is coming after us has a motive in mind and wants to hurt us so things that have less agency and in this case of virus. Maybe that because it's a little bit more random right. It's not like it is of course trying to hurt you in a sentence but it. Maybe he's just kind of floating around and then it lands on you and then goes out and they almost i think conservative would try. Try to almost make it have agency by being like. It's the china virus. Well trying to place eighty. That's not agency in the same way tile finding blame so a couple other traits that this study found is that conservatives tend to see free will as the primary driver of outcomes in life whereas level or liberals are more accepting of the idea of randomness so compared to liberals conservatives tend to attribute outcomes to purposeful actions and so i think the inverse of that is that liberals are a little more able to see that is not always like a through line to something more. Believe that there's not always the through line and they're more likely to blame any negative outcomes and their lives on these more agent. Agent tick policymakers or fellow americans rather than the virus itself in the case of the pandemic may. So what does that mean so for example when it comes to the pandemic you have things. Like policymakers saying that. So weird policy policymakers and make up. You have the american public. Always hearing about you know like say any country. Let's just not even say america. You're talking about different people's views and people taking certain actions. People are going to club some people being indoors for months on end you have media organizations you have your neighbors and so comparatively all those different things have and they have motivations compared to a virus that has seemingly is an observable by the naked eye and has much less agency. So you know you could think oh. These politicians have motivations to do certain things. These different countries have different motivations. That's agency the virus is not to me something. That's trying to accomplish something that's so interesting. Mike was trying to survive. There definitely is a level and obviously it's not saying that conservatives deny the science of it it's just on the surface obviously how we see but it shows you how science can help you understand that like you know in the agency to the virus. So what has been suggested based off of these sort of surveys and studies is that instead of using. Statistics policymakers and policymakers and officials should start talking about the virus and in terms that make it sound more threatening not nyc scary but make it sound like it has a motivation so direct quote from one of the authors of this paper said if they talk about the virus as having a motive as being a palpable enemy that is seeking to attack humans. Maybe you get a greater. Buy in from the start on the part of conservatives we also show in our research that liberals are not driven away by doing this so it seems like a good move because the concern would be like. Oh maybe when that kind of conversation of this evil virus is trying to take over us. It's infiltrating our lives. We have to stand up against it. You'd be afraid does that. Turn off some people. The research found that it doesn't that tweet tweet like instagram instagram arreola so such an interesting takeaway from like a very like philosophical sort of frilly like concept i was like oh this is also interesting to me and to the listeners but it really like is exciting to think that there is a take away which sounds really weird and feels wrong. It feels wrong to me. It feels very american in some ways. Where a lot of things get positions like that. Where i don't feel like why are we talking about a thing like tani but actually see that is the way americans talk about other problems in the world. And i don't just mean americans but it is like as americans we have to stand up against this tyranny or against these terrorists and was an american ideology that bleeds throughout the world. Like it's not an american only ideology. I think it's very rampant there in america as powerful country. It's like the leader of that. Because i think for them. It also brings together this idea of patriotism which you can in any country. I think that isn't how countries kinda rally for good or for bad. Is the fear of something right. So even thinking of like world leaders who have not been particularly good or who have been authoritarian. They're often creating a threat that has autonomy. They're not just saying it's this nuanced complicated factor that you know the way that money all because they want to kill you. That's so interesting. Because i i just think that that like science in and of itself is about thinking critically and sort of understanding that everything has nuance and like even when you think about misinformation online. It's like you you have to. If you hear something especially scientific. That seems too good to be true or to like specific or on the nose. That's when at least for me. I go double check that. Let's find the reason. I'm always looking for nuance. But it's like with what's happening in america and what's happening with this virus and is like patriotism and savage like instead of trying to force people to look at the world the way you do which i do which is like nuance and science. And things like that. Why not doesn't make it more black and white for now if it's not hurting necessarily anymore one and i'm sure there's a way that we could probably contextualized. It and i'm sure academics could study the damage of this thought process but initially just like my surface fuel. Mike that's really interesting and might be a really smart tactic. If i was like in the white house with joe biden. i'd be like this. Might sound weird. But maybe if you do this. It might bring on people who would otherwise because donald trump and conservatives never. They don't. They haven't done that. They haven't at least not very strongly. I think probably has been some the messaging at some points. I feel like. I have a their mass right now. Like donald trump. He doesn't have like. I could see another more intelligent leader with a conservative ideology utilizing that keep it because i actually think there's another layer that is that there is no. How do i say this. The shift of balance between us and a virus is what it is and there's not really a stake to gain politically. Obviously there is but when you mention. So what i'm trying to say. And i'll see if i can articulate. Well is like when you ostracize an actual group of people in society which happens and even under the trump administration. It's like immigrants are the problem. They're trying to break into our country and steal your jobs and make our country bad. That's the kind of language that's used because that actually rallies a subgroup of americans. If you i think there's like a disadvantage in politician's mind to rally the entire country around an entire issue so going against a virus and trying to be like we're all against virus like it could work but i can feel like there's not the same like political gain. Maybe i'm wrong. I don't know something like there's less polarization which is helpful. I think for someone like it's interesting that they didn't go in that row. I don't know why more think it's kind of mind blowing thing to think about a thing for politicians and all of us to you about how do we about it. I remember hearing scientists at the beginning really being like we have to respect this virus because the actual understanding of where it came from and the fact that it kind of is just trying to live is going to help us understand evolution and nature so that it doesn't happen again like we need to respect nature which the time made sense to me. But i didn't ever. I remember like sort of like tweeting. Like talking about the few friends and like it didn't catch on it's like i don't think that narrative i thought maybe in the early stages it's going to be a narrative pervasive. Us but even as someone who thinks about an reads about science all the time. I haven't found that talking point coming back into my kind of like. I let it sit with me for a week and then i was kinda like well actually. I don't know it just didn't it wasn't it didn't stay so i'm like okay. If that wasn't if i never found that to be that important of thought process this is our the flip side of it which is like. Why don't we treat it as an enemy to try and rally these people who are really likely being a big issue for why america is suffering so deeply on a world's go right from this virus i just. I'm having a hard time and actually takes note podcast. Please let us know what you think about this. What are the downsides of this. Currently 'cause i even think your political thing was interesting. But i'm like i don't know like why not rally everyone behind something doesn't that seem that positive for like polling or whatever. Yeah i guess you know interesting. I guess if your belief on various issues is that you wouldn't want to shutdown. That's what i think. This is also a specifically even for scientists and people who are trying to communicate of. This is serious. Like even like dr g know using that kind of language we have to rally because this virus is trying to take over our cities. I don't know but you're right. There's a weird about it. That feels almost like it seems. It seems scare tactic easy. But then it's like what we can only look back in history from the future with the perspective. We're living through it. So what like we know. Things are bad right now because people are ignoring it. they're saying it's fake Maybe it is more conservative minded. People don't want their lives to be regulated by the government so in order to fix what's going on you have to regulate people's lives from the government. So maybe if the government says it's the evil virus that helps. Oh my god. I really like really. Yeah me too. Why that just maybe you think of like the regulation. I saw some like funny sub tweet today. That was some person on twitter being like well there's like hiv and all these different viruses like. We don't wear masks for them. Like why should we be controlled by our government. Someone like roy treated it was like those are called condoms. There literally dick masks. I i was literally like what about the frick. Things went on. Our schlongs zacks all right. Well i think i don't know. Do you have anything else. You wanna say no. I think that's fascinating. And i really just want to think about that more and like i want like an academic till like release. Obviously it feels extreme to force that narrative because it feels scared. It's like we're not sure where that leads but to me at least a virus is just this thing. That's not human. It's also not like an animal that were against. It's just like i'm fine if we're all against the virus. Oh yeah some people say it's not even living you know what i mean like. It's like my definition so sit all rally behind it and be like were here to defeat it. We're gonna come together and stop this thing that strategy so i can't stop thinking how interesting says because so much of the issue i find from people. Even like you know the more conservative ideological people come out of the woodwork. In your life with this virus you got to see where people land and really what they're doing is to make way more simple than it is. They're going. It's not that big a deal and then i find myself trying to like kind of use scare tactics to be like well. I don't know like yesterday. Someone told me about their twenty five year old friend who got. It was fine but he was a runner and now he has long cove it. And you can't run because his respiratory issues. It's like that's the story. I tell people to try and keep people get serious. Yeah died doesn't mean you aren't affected for life. Which is true and i'm like i'm resorting to scare tactics to try and help some of my more conservative leaning friends to get behind some things already doing the thing. It's like a version of being like the virus is scary okay into this. Wow that's fascinating. What other people think kind of how we always going to be a lot of learnings from this in terms of how to communicate and like you said it's not always finding a message that works for everyone. It's meeting people where they need to be mad. The kinds of ways that they perceive the world and that is a challenge. I think not only as a science. As scientists policymakers as communicators of these kinds of things. How do you create messaging that works for a broad swath of people or different message hours described as signs on newbury next videos like the evil scary virus. I mean every time. I think for you every time i draw the virus raise up signs. I put the quintessential evil eyebrows. Yeah so i mean. I've been doing it from the actor paul. It wants to destroy us all. It's trying to take out humanity like what's the other way of thinking like. Oh it's cute. It's just trying to survive. It's like no give me a buyer on. I wanted to literally got rid of this virus. I'm actually do not care. I'm sorry like i'm all for not eating animals by this up. All right well they are so much for listening again hashtags podcast. If you want to tell us what you think about things otherwise we will see you No life pity language stopping. Everybody i say it all the time. And i need to go get help tighten.
COVID Vaccine and Distribution Timeline - 11/20/2020
"At zanny you get the same quality. Freeman lind's options that you get from an optician for one tenth of the price including blue blockers progressives prescription sunglasses and more the best part. Try on any frame anywhere with our three. D virtual try on xeni dot com eyewear for everyone. Hello and welcome to the quick news daily. Podcast where i give you the facts. I know click bait stories. Just real news that matters to real people. Today is friday november twentieth. Thanks for trusting you with your news once again. We have a lot to get to today. Mostly covert related. So let's get right into it. First of all. We have news on the pfizer vaccine. We learned that they'll be seeking the emergency use authorization for their covert vaccine today and it comes at a really desperate time for the us because there have been worn million new cases in the last week alone in new information that visor released on wednesday. They're vaccine is actually ninety five percent effective and has no serious side effects. Previously rue told it was ninety percent effective but they were actually just being conservative. And it's been ninety five percent this whole time. I think we should take a second and recognize how significant this is. This process usually takes multiple years. And they've done in just eight months. Now that said it makes it nerve wracking. Trust but dr anthony fauci. She said he trusts it. So i feel pretty good about it. Visor says they can make fifty million doses by the end of this year and one point three billion billion by the end of next year. Maybe they'll get more efficient but from that we can infer that they expect to make one point two five billion doses per year. The bad news the us only gets enough supply for twelve point. Five million people this year. The good news is that all americans will receive the vaccine for free. Absolutely no charge. That's the one good thing that the government did pre negotiate that made a deal for one hundred million doses paying one point nine five billion dollars. We also got more details on their phase three trial again. This was a big one with forty. Four thousand people involved half received the actual shot in half received the placebo of all of that of all the participants. One hundred seventy got covid and sixty two of those one. Seventy were in the placebo group. So only eight were in the vaccine group of these one hundred and seventy cases. Only ten were classified as severe does feels like russian nesting doll thing but of these severe cases only one ten was in the actual shot group the other nine when the placebo so only one person out of the twenty two thousand that got the covert shot got severely sick. There's an interesting thing to note here while a couple of them actually won. The vaccine works the same across race age and ethnicity which is rare. It's ninety four percent efficient in older adults. Which is a group that does not respond strongly to all types of vaccines. Considering these people are the most vulnerable. This is a really good sign. The vaccine prevented mild and severe forms of covid. Mostly some not sure if they missed moderate or if they only classify those two groups like what's up mild and severe. Seems like he's just two ends of the spectrum. They're the most common side effect was fatigue which three point seven percent of people reported after taking these second dose again. This is just my own inferring. But if the leading side effect was only in three point seven percent of people. i'd say that's pretty good. Two percent reported headache yet. Strangely enough older adults reported fewer and milder side effects. This is such a weird disease man. It breaks almost everything we ever thought about our world every part of it now with a limited supply that will have. Initially the goal will be to prevent people from getting extremely ill not stopping transmission. Of course the scientists still want more detailed data and analysis. Hey we all do fis plans to submit the results for review in a scientific journal shortly but that could take weeks or months so it will likely come out after the vaccine is already inside of people they will be spending to the fda two months of safety data and detailed manufacturing record showing the company can produce high quality batches consistently the fda then reviews that data alongside an outside panel vaccine experts. And that could actually take a couple of weeks now. Unfortunately again about this visor vaccine. This is the one that needs to be stored at the coldest temperature out of all vaccines al tayer negative ninety four degrees fahrenheit. It'll be shipped in special boxes of one thousand five thousand doses stuffed with dry ice and gps enabled sensors. It can be stored in a regular freezer for five days. The special coolers for fifteen if the dry ice is replaced in the boxes are not open more than two times per day. Again by comparison that moderna vaccine needs to be stored at minus four degrees fahrenheit or in a regular freezer. That's anywhere from thirty six degrees to forty six degrees and it can be stored in there for up to thirty days not seven like we initially thought so that one is going to be much much easier to transport now. Let's have a look at how this is going to be distributed in more detail as a framework for their recommendations. The advisory committee on immunization practices will be using guidance from national of sciences engineering medicine. So you know the dumb people. Once the review by the fda has done the vaccine distribution is supposed to start in quote no more than twenty four hours to every state in the union and quote so they broke it down into phases the first group to get it phase one. A is the jumpstart group. This is frontline. Healthcare workers first responders cleaners and ambulance drivers phase. One b is people with underlying conditions that put them at significantly higher risk those with two or more chronic conditions or those who are sixty five and older in group living phase two is critical workers in high risk situations so teachers childcare workers and those with an underlying condition that puts them at moderately higher risk and people under sixty five who are in prisons jails and or detention centers phase. Three is young adults and children. People who work in hotels banks higher education and factories and finally phase for everybody else again. This is just recommendation. So it's not necessarily set in stone. But i would expect them to stick pretty close to this. This next story comes from the associated press in. It's great reporting in. Its the cdc's guidance for thanksgiving. They recommend not traveling for thanksgiving as well as not spending the holiday with people outside of their household if families do decide to include returning college students military members or others for thanksgiving they're recommending that the host take added precautions meaning. That gatherings should be outdoors if possible. Not really in the northern states with people keeping six feet apart and wearing masks and just one person serving the food at this point. The cdc thinks that forty percent of people who are infected. Don't have symptoms. Don't know that they are spreading it at the moment. Hospitals are struggling to keep up with non corona virus cases ranging from broken bones to heart attacks because covert is taking up so many resources quote whether it is regular pneumonia or pen to sinus or fractures that need surgery and they are not taking a lot of routine cases. Said perry dez being a nurse practitioner. Who works in smith center and other real communities quote. They're saying send them home. Have them follow up in the office unless it is life threatening. We don't want to see them. Either and quote mayo clinic which is a big hospital system in the midwest announced. They have nine hundred five staff members who were diagnosed with covid in just the past two weeks as for positivity rates which is the percent of tests that come back positive for the virus reach three percent in new york city which is why they shut down their schools. Even though again they left bars and restaurants. Open south dakota. Iowa and wyoming. By contrast have positivity rates up at fifty percent which is not great. Obviously the national average is about ten percent some exciting news that we have here today last night georgia finished their hand recount of the presidential race and joe biden still came out on top four counties did end up finding more votes that were not originally tallied but there were not enough of them to overcome. Biden's fourteen thousand vote lead now. The lead did shrink to twelve thousand but in my opinion that's just even more proof that every single vote counts. And i bet there were a lot of people in georgia who stood in line for hours thinking you know what maybe i should just leave but they stayed in line in joe biden one georgia because of it. The secretary of state brad rapids burgers said quote at the end of the day. I won voters to understand that when they cast their ballots in georgia it will be accurately counted. You may not like the results. And i get that understand how contentious it is you can then respect the results and quote. He's an extreme partisan truly republican through and through but good for him for having the backbone to stand up to all this. es trump is throwing him. If you're just wondering biden is at almost eighty million total votes and he leads trump by about six million in the nationwide popular vote. This wasn't really close except in the electoral college states. Sadly there's some shenanigans going on with michigan still but It's all for the performance. It's not rooted in law at all I think the black liquid dripping from rudy giuliani's hair yesterday at the press conference is proof that This thing is off the rails. Now it is against Extremely dangerous that he isn't conceding into just undermining this total process but joe biden will be sworn in on january twentieth. He will. That is where. I'm going to wrap it up this week. Folks man. That was a busy week. And i think we might be able to breathe easier next week after the state start certifying results. 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Russia Registers Coronavirus Vaccine Despite International Skepticism, Putins Daughter Inoculated
"Russia Registers Corona Virus Vaccine Despite International Skepticism Putin's daughter inoculated by Vladimir Issue Schenck of. Moscow. Russia on Tuesday became the first country to officially register a corona virus vaccine and declare it ready for use despite international skepticism President Vladimir Putin said that one of his daughters has already been inoculated. Putin. Emphasized that the vaccine underwent the necessary tests and has proven efficient offering a lasting immunity from the corona virus. However, scientists at home and abroad have been sounding the alarm that the rush to start using the vaccine before phase three trials, which normally last for months and involved thousands of people could backfire. Speaking at a government meeting Tuesday Putin said that the vaccine has undergone proper testing and is safe. I would like to repeat that it has passed all the necessary tests. He said the most important thing is to ensure full safety of using the vaccine and its efficiency. The Russian leader added that one of his two adult daughter says received two shots of the vaccine. She has taken part in the experiment Putin said. Putin said that his daughter had a temperature of thirty eight degrees, Celsius or one hundred point four degrees Fahrenheit on the day of the first vaccine injection, and then it dropped to just over thirty seven degrees Celsius or ninety eight point six Fahrenheit on the following day. After the second shot she again had a slight increase in temperature, but then it was all over. She's feeling well and has high number of antibodies Putin added. He didn't specify which of his two daughters Maria or cat arena received the vaccine. Russian authorities have said that medical workers, teachers and other risk groups will be the first to be inoculated. Deputy Prime Minister. Tetiana Gokova. Cova. said that the vaccination of doctors could start as early as this month. The Health Ministry said in Tuesday statement that the vaccine is expected to provide immunity from the corona virus for up to two years. Putin. Emphasized that vaccination will be voluntary Russian officials have said that large scale production of vaccine will start in September and mass vaccination may begin as early as October. When the pandemic struck Russia Putin ordered state officials to shorten the time of clinical trials were potential corona virus vaccines becoming the first country in the world to develop a vaccine was a matter of national prestige where the Kremlin as it tries to assert the image of Russia as a global power. State television stations and other media have praised scientists working on it and presented the work the envy of other nations. Professor Alexander Ginsburg head of the Malayia Institute that developed the vaccine raised eyebrows and May when he said that he and other researchers tried the vaccine on themselves. Human Studies started June seventeenth among seventy six volunteers. Half were injected with the vaccine in liquid form and the other half of the vaccine that came and soluble powder. Some of the first half were recruited from the military which raised concerns that servicemen may have been pressured to participate. Amid Russia's rush to become the first to create a vaccine, the US. Britain and Canada last month accused Russia of using hackers to steal vaccine research from Western labs. As the trials were declared completed questions arose about the vaccine's safety and effectiveness. Some experts scoffed at Russian authorities, assurances that the vaccine drug produced the desired immune response and caused no significant side effects pointing out that such claims need to be backed by published scientific data. The World Health Organization said all vaccine candidates should go through full stages of testing before being rolled out. Experts have warned that vaccines that are not properly tested can cause harm in many ways from a negative impact on health to creating a false sense of security or undermining trust in vaccinations.
All Eyes on the U.k. as the Rollout of the Pfizer Vaccine Begins
"We're live with santa claus ahead of the mercedes benz winter event. Any big plans here sir. We'll be dropping off some new mercedes benz models with available and buicks. It gives real time weather updates normal relying on radio noses anything else mr see ruby. Your route to siberia should save fifteen minutes. Have you heard the news. The mercedes benz winter event is back with great offers on the enhanced. Gla the intelligent new e class and asleep jail suv hurry into the mercedes benz winter event today. Mercedes-benz it's wednesday december night. I'm oscar ramirez in los angeles and this is the daily dive back has begun the rollout of the pfizer vaccine and all eyes will be on them for things that they do right things that they do wrong and has been less than a week. That britain has granted emergency use authorization and because of limited supplies and how difficult the pfizer vaccine is to ship and store. Only about fifty hospital hubs will be able to administer the vaccine for now jelena assistant editor at the wall street journal based in london joins us. For how the vaccine distribution is going in the uk next president trump continues his fight to overturn the election. What is protracted. Fight is causing rifts in the republican party with many party leaders supporting the president's claim of a stolen election and republican governors certified. His loss david ciders national political correspondent at politico joins us for how the president's influence impacts the party in the georgia senate run off the midterms and two thousand twenty four. Finally businesses across the country have been hit hard by lockdowns and restrictions but in los angeles. There's a revolt. When it comes to a ban on outdoor dining restaurants feel like they are scapegoats for the lockdowns with elected officials failure to provide the science behind the reasons to close outdoor dining. Some restaurant owners are filing lawsuits and even planning on defying lockdown rules just to keep their businesses afloat and reporter at the la times joins us for more snooze without the noise. Let's dive optimistic. You've got to believe that was the power of sweet reason to to get this thing over the line. But i gotta tell you. It's looking very very difficult to the moment suspended. Just say to everybody. There are great options ahead for our country. Now is joanna sucked in an assistant editor at the wall street journal based in london. Thanks for joining us join. The uk has begun. The rollout of pfizer's covid nineteen vaccine. They're the first western country to do so and all eyes are on them to see how the rollout is going to go to see. You know here in the united states to see what we can learn from them what we can do better. They got started less than a week. After britain had granted the emergency use authorization there and the first people to get them were a ninety year. Old woman named maggie keegan. And also william shakespeare to elderly people and one cooled williams. Jason has been plenty of jokes flying roundabout that ends. Well being my favorite one. Yeah but it great knees and understandably excited but there is also sense of caution at the same time but yes. It is fantastic news at the end of that. Typically you got. Let's talk a little bit about to the caution. There has been some aversion to people wanting to take the vaccine. I guess there was a poll in the uk that said about seventy nine. People said that they would take it in the united states. It's a little different. It's a lot less. It's only sixty four percent that said that they would take it right away this kind of less and he backs sentiment in the uk. I would say is minority of people who have since the pandemic started gone out. On lockdown protests or anti vaccine protests more recently kind of fueled by things might read online. About what the vaccine contains misinformation about how speed of vaccine. I'm anne how quickly been approved. But the regulators are extremely stringent and they have a pre things concurrently rather than sequentially in. That's how they've done it so quickly but yes. There is a small pocket of people who are against take vaccine. We think about that. According to recent polls let's talk a little bit about the distribution. At how all. That is an go as far as doses go it seems like the uk only has about enough doses for about twenty million people. And maybe about seven million doses. They said they'd get by the end of the year. And to kinda complicate that we know that pfizer's seen specifically is very difficult to ship and store. it has to be kept really really cold. In special refrigerated units. That means that only about fifty hospital hubs there in london will be able to distribute this. That's across england. Yeah fifty hubs across the whole of england at the moment that's their initial thing just this week. That's how starting also said that. Vaccinating the vaccinators. An old also vulnerable people venable. Elderly people who might be coming in for an operation was being exposed to the hospital setting anyway so that vaccinate them while their own doses. They have ordered forty million from visor but the uk has taken this kind of pooled earlier approach to the vaccines whereas has orders with seven companies. Who are developing vaccines. And that's how it hopes to reach the whole population. I think it has one hundred million on water from astrazeneca oxford university. The vaccine is ting for emergency. Use approval in the in the coming weeks. Talk a little bit about some of the other obstacles with this industry beating the vaccine. I know that some of the laws were changed their to allow student doctors and even dental workers to administer this but beyond that the shot is so tricky to administer because as we mentioned some of these subzero temperatures that needs to be kept in. And they're not in ready made shots there in bigger vials so some of the people administering the shots are saying. You know it's a little trickier than usual app. See it's not just subzero temperatures it. We described him today. As minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit is the temperature which this vaccine can survive to six months. If you take out to the authorities it can survive for five days at a new kind of refrigerated temperature between two eight degrees. But beyond that any woman that and you just got two hours before it comes on. Viable says it's being shipped across from. Belgium is produced in these huge. Kind of nine hundred and seventy-five dose packets. And as soon as you crack open that kind of begins the process of storing. And you have to use them. All at once said that the challenge faced by smaller particularly nursing home providers who a desperate to get vaccine out to the residents but the challenge with this particular vaccine which has to be kept in such specific conditions. Is there are logistical challenges. Which still have to be able to come to get into these small providers and that's what the national health savage which is distributing. The vaccine across the uk is trying to come at the moment and work out how it does that safely and so the vaccine is wasted. I think that's why that will so pinning aloft on the astra zeneca vaccine which can be kept it more normal temperatures and look cheaper. The pfizer vaccine is one of the big ones that has an efficacy rate of ninety. Five percent. After the two doses. They say the protection starts after about ten days. So i mean it's a very effective vaccine against covid nineteen and you know it's just kind of the rollout is difficult right in the united states where prioritizing people in nursing homes and healthcare workers. I know it's very similar. They're in the uk as well said. The government scientific advisory group has developed a kind of roster and he should get it fast in it does have him residents at atop. But unfortunately at the moment. That just doesn't seem to be practical in this initial way. They're very much hoping that by christmas. They will have established a way of getting these vaccines people who can't get to a hospital which has a huge altruistic temperature freezer but that not yet and as the challenge. Joanna sucked in an assistant editor at the wall street journal based in london. Thank you very much for joining us. Live with santa claus ahead of the mercedes benz winter event any big plans this year. Serve some new mercedes. Benz models with available and buicks. 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There's nothing wrong with that and ensuring that any question of irregularities or voter fraud are thoroughly investigated and give the president opportunity to exhaust his legal options joining us. Now is david ciders. National political correspondent at politico. Thanks for joining us. David could you be here. What did it talk about. What's happening with the republican party right now. President trump is going to be on his way out. He still continuing to fight the outcome of the election. Unfortunately for him. It's not going to happen. You know everything's getting certified for joe biden. He will have to leave the white house. Come january but this fight that he's going on is reshaping the republican party and a lot of different ways. It's very much the party of trump and there's republican leaders all over the country that are in his court that are saying the same thing that the election was stolen. So david tell us a little bit about how everything is changing for the gop. I think that there's a lot of things changing but one in particular is that you know there's always been this kind of rift between the establishment elected class and the activists class in the republican party. And i think something at the trump is exacerbating the rift in a way because by pressing republicans to take a side on this one issue about was the election valid or not which you know a majority of republicans in the think. The election was stolen from the president and by forcing that decision. A lot of these elected officials. You're seeing these weird breaks that really. You wouldn't have seen years ago in the party of that. You have the chair of the state party. Telling the top elected official in his or her state. Shut up for fighting with them right. Twitter just didn't use to happen and that's new ethic. Tell me about some of those fights. We're seeing fights in georgia in arizona and michigan. Even where as he said the republican party chairs are just fighting with their governors because governors in their secretary states are certifying. The results not buying into this massive election fraud and the one about the shutting up is in arizona where kelli ward the spat with juicy governor. For exactly the reason that you mentioned going on in other states as well in arizona's particularly interesting case because it had been republican for so long and then flipped this year. And i think that adds to the pressure there. You saw the gop. What just made the monday night asking supporters on twitter if they were willing to die fighting the election. These are emotional. Times i think for the party and you know. The president has always demanded loyalty across the board. Really what happens when he's out of power. How the party move forward. I know he's floated around saying he might run for twenty twenty four which kind of puts a lot of potential candidates on hold really to see what he does but. What does the party do when he's not in power anymore. I think some form of whether trump is a noun or for the will or Adjective i guess it will be. There will be some kind of trump influencing the party. It'll be president until he says that he's not gonna run. Mercy does on. Obviously he maintains hold or there will be this force of trump like candidates. And there's some good reason for that you have state party chairs and elected officials in some of these states really who saw trump broadened the electorate on the republican side in ways that previous republicans have been unable to and so i do think there is a compelling case if you're a republican and the democratic side there is a compelling case for this too but the argument that this populist streak that trump managed to advance is something that the party needs to maintain. If it's going to continue to drive out turn out the way it did. I don't know that that can happen with somebody. Who isn't trump. But that's what republicans. I think are going to be trying to do what happens to the more traditional republicans they obviously are in a tough spot. They don't want to alienate president trump's base but they have to kind of operate in a biden administration. Now so how do they move forward. I think they move forward getting trashed day in and day out by the base. And then that'll make for great copy and people will write about it. You know. I think one of the things that like when ben sasse or a mitt romney says something and then trump goes to town on the thing about. The republican party is unlike the democrats. There aren't huge ideological divisions within the party but there is this division in style. I think and so when you see those kinds of conflicts. Fewer a base republican. I think what excites activists about trump is less that. There's some kind of policy disputes between the two sides than that one is willing to raise his middle finger and tell the other want to get lost and it's so interesting now coming from trump because he is the established right but is viewed as this anti-establishment figure in so. I do think that's a huge problem for some of these more traditionalist republicans david ciders national political correspondent at politico. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you so much supposed to time. Losing everything everything. I own is being taken away from me and they set up a movie company. Right next to my outdoor patio. Tell me that this is dangerous but right next to me as a slap in my face. That's safe was an joe reporter at the elliott times. Thanks for joining us. and thanks for having the oscar. Businesses across the country have been hit really hard by lockdowns and restrictions due to the rising cases of corona virus but in california. It's been especially difficult. There's statewide stay at home. Orders right now and then deeper in los angeles county in southern california restaurants really are facing the brunt of it early on in the pandemic. There was obviously big shutdowns. You could only do takeout orders or deliveries then. We reopened and we did outdoor dining indoor dining for little bit and then everything shut back down and really right now. Restaurants are just suffering so much now that everything is back to take out and delivery only and in a lot of cases. Some of these restaurants are saying that they might defy some of these lockdown orders. And you've been talking to a lot of restaurant tours. What are they saying about this thing that they complied with quote every demand unquote set down by the state and they've spent thousands of dollars disinfecting multiple times sometimes at all the different restaurants that they own and now heading into the holiday season which they're banking on to help rescue the hugely hanging year. They're closing down again. Some of these orders that they have to close down there. They're saying that they want to go against there was actually. There's a lot of lawsuits going on right now about this and a judge just said that. La county is bannon. Outdoor dining is going to have to expire december sixteenth. After the three weeks that they set it up for and that they're going to have to conduct a risk benefit analysis to extend the closures. If they want to. They're going to have to present a lot of evidence for that and one of the cries that we keep hearing is. We're doing this because of the science well you know. La county was confronted with this saying. Tell us what the science is behind. This is outdoor dining really a vector for transmission of corona virus and. They didn't really have anything. Well what are the restaurant and the people that you talk to have to say about that part of it. Some of the folks. I talked to oskar. They're asking whether two hundred people in a grocery store is safer than two hundred people in a restaurant. They're putting out all kinds of examples and they say that in order to survive they will have to quote unquote experiment with serving indoors continuing and they're doubling the six feet distancing requirement by using twelve feet. And they're saying just come on down. If you don't have a math we can provide you one upon entrance but one restaurant in particular basilic owes an italian place in huntington beach has made national headlines. Because they don't allow that high winded in there to try to interview some people yesterday and the waiter told me politely. If you wanna stay in here please take off your mask. Ma'am and there's almost sold out of their house search. Which says leave the math. Take the cannoli twist on the godfather film huntington beach for its part has always been kind of against a lot of these rules. Definitely against mask wearing there was rallies. They're and all so definitely a place where that is kind of taking place but there's penalties involved for restaurants that go against the rules hundreds of dollars in some cases but the other interesting part of it. is that law enforcement. A lot of law enforcement agency said that they're not going to respond to calls of people skirting some of the rules. They say that that's a matter of personal responsibility. And not a matter for law enforcement to get involved in exactly oscar in locally near where the restaurant is in huntington beach. The orange county sheriff's department has come out on the record saying it's not our job and frankly if we all look around in society our law enforcement agencies are understaffed like everywhere else. Because the furloughs. And there's no money. Everyone's budget has dried up. Part of this judge's order that we're talking about a little bit earlier you know. They said that the counties and have to determine the cost of closing so many restaurants the economic cost of closing so many restaurants not just for the restaurants themselves and the employees but the employees. You know people that work there. What are the restaurant tourists telling you about. Just making ends meet and their employees also not having money as you mentioned going right into the holidays right now. I'm glad you asked that. Because i spoke with dino ferraro and he's the chef at capone's italian coochie nna and the black trumpet bistro in huntington beach as well and he told me he has fifty eight employees total and that for him means that fifty eight families are getting fed. So he how he can even bring up the subject of layoffs at this time. He's showing you know. More than one hundred thousand dollars in back rent and these landlords according to him are not giving them a break at all or any kind of discount and i spent a lot of time in huntington beach in the past several days and niners his customers as well as ordinary people going about their business in downtown and near the pier are really angry. At how the moms and pops that's what they call it are being targeted. This is like a make it or break it year end time. And they're predicting a lot more homelessness and potential break ins of businesses and doe reporter at the elliott times. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for listening. That's it for today. Join us on social media hat daily dive book twitter and instagram comment give us a rating and tell us stories that you're interested in all of us an iheartradio or subscribe wherever you get your podcast. This episode of the daily divers produced victory right and engineered by tony soaring. Tina i'm oscar ramirez and this was your daily dive. What super nutritious super delicious and a little nutty american pecans the original supernet packed with all the good for you nutrition. You need and the flavor that keeps the family coming back for recipes and more visit. American pecan dot com.
From Testing To Distribution: The Logistics Behind COVID-19 Vaccines
"So you know we don't really do this enough. We don't actually acknowledge when there's been a lot of good news and there has been good news on potential cova vaccines maderna's interim analysis of its vaccine and pfizer's final analysis and they just announced today. It's of their phase. Three trial showing their vaccine. Both these companies showing ninety five percent effectiveness in preventing covid infections. So really let us take a second to acknowledge. There is some good news on the vaccine development front. And it's kind of amazing given how fast this all happen. But now there's a whole new set of concerns isn't so dr dila. Hey i want to just start by asking you. What are you most worried about when it comes to getting a future approved covid nineteen vaccine actually two people in your state what. What are the concerns or obstacles to finally getting people getting those the jabs in their arms. Well i think one of our biggest concerns is communication. We're getting some information. But we need more information and we won't have full information until the vaccines are actually authorized by the fda approved by the advisory committee for immunization practices will need to get training out for everyone that is gonna be using the saints and make sure that our distribution as well coordinated communicate to all those in all so communication is going to be very important aspect to getting the vaccine out communication training distribution plan. So this is dr jennifer dillon. Hey she's joining us from little rock. Arkansas she's medical director for immunizations for the arkansas department of health. And i should say that this is on point. I'm meghan chakrabarti from npr and wb. You are today. We're really taking a look at the fact that we've had this sort of light speed wall. The government called operation warp speed. But this very fast vaccine development process the fastest in human history. Now that's meeting the biggest vaccine distribution challenge in human history as well so we're trying to understand what those challenges are. So dr dill hate. Talk to me a little bit more about the reality on the ground in arkansas. Start starting with the communication question. I mean what specifically needs to be communicated when When we get closer to actually trying to distribute a potential covid vaccine well in preparation for the vaccine we need hospitals clinics and pharmacies bet plan to administer the vaccine to patients to enroll and the cdc over nineteen vaccination program so communicating. The need to enroll the information about how to enroll and what they're committing to is an important aspect of the communication and many of them have questions that we can't quite answer yet because we ourselves don't have full information so it's developing those relationships that are ongoing were ongoing communication can occur when more information is available so very intensive relationship building and planning on a lot of individual entities on their part. So those are one of the initial things that we've got to get ready for his getting vaccinators ready and so for example when you say the have to be clear in what they're committing to what do you mean by that. Well a provider wants to give vaccine than they need to have a strong commitment about how store the next same maintain the temperatures properly and then when they administered the vaccine they need to gather that information about who they administer to answer it into the state immunization information system which is like it unionisation registry and then they have to report their doses that they've administered and track it so we can monitor the inventory. And so there will be some reporting on their part to the cdc about their doses on hand while they've administered okay and there are so many really important details here Regarding how the vaccines must be administered at that end point between the provider and the patient for example. Because if if i understand this correctly the we'll talk about cold-storage in just a second but the pfizer vaccine is it coming in in in in a vial that has only a limited number of doses in it and once you open the vial. I presume that like you can't just keep it in storage forever. I mean there are lots of particular details that these providers will have to come up to speed on and there is absolutely the case suffering with the visor seeing the have to maintain at minus seventy degrees centigrade either in a freezer or dry ice. And then when they want to use a vaccine they have to thaw proper way in the half bet. Add some normal saline once. They add the lane to inviolate vaccine. It's only good for six hours so they have to use all five doses within six hours or have to discard it so there are things like they have to know how to do and be prepared to do it in a timely way. Wow so there is a lot of planning just even in doctor's offices pharmacies. It's going to have to take place just to administer the shots and that's really interesting. How well first of all so cold storage. In the modern case it's what minus four degrees fahrenheit. Which is i guess. A hoe a typical freezer might be able to achieve that the pfizer vaccine requires ultra. Cold storage Do have confidence that All the Facilities doctor's offices pharmacies etc in arkansas would have access to the kinds of storage. They need for these vaccines while the stories is something that really has to be paid attention to. Nfl all facilities will be able or willing to do that. In addition the minimum order that can be placed for the pfizer vaccine is nine hundred seventy five doses so A place that would only want a few hundred houses would not likely to manage So many doses the visor vaccine. And so that means that. It's not as much of a concern. Well we're hoping that we'll have both is our and moderna vaccine so that the places that can handle the fines can get into places that can that are smaller and cannot handle. The pfizer can get darna vex. I got it. I got it so that that really matters because again. There's this it seems to be as everything with this pandemic once again that the big divide between better resource communities or hospitals versus those who have fewer resources is being laid bare but it sounds like given the differences in storage requirements for these vaccines. Maybe that's a little less of a worry. That otherwise might have been dr dylan. Yeah i think there are some differences. Too you know. Once you all the moderna vaccine it may be possible to keep it in the refrigerator for several days and that would make it easier for example to transport the vaccine to an outlying location only need to get a few doses so there are some logistics that all have to be coordinated. Were out that's gonna make a patient about what's needed very important for the vaccination providers also there's other details which A really interesting so both vaccines need two doses right within a specified period of time. So there's going to have to be a lot of tracking done to be sure that people come back in time and get the right second dose as well. That's exactly right. The pfizer vaccine the minimum interval between the first and the second is twenty one days and has been published yet. If there is a limit to how long after twenty one days a second dose would be allowed and the same thing with the vaccine so both of those are gonna be an issue if they right away the moderna vaccine the minimum interval is twenty eight days so you have to track Both of those separately. You have to get the second dose with the same vaccine. You got the first dose with concern not interchangeable so That should be trackable in our state immunization registry but will get confused and may not get the second dose. the same place I though so it has to be possible to verify. Actually which does the first time So data tracking timing. All of all of these things dr deal. Hey can we just take a step back here. Because i've got to ask you. Have you ever had to manage anything like this. Well no but you know when i came into this role minds sons very encouraging said to me mom your whole career has prepared you for this and of course it is true from a public health. Professional suites had worked hard for many years to repair as well as possible for something like this so i wouldn't say i'm totally unprepared and just because i haven't done it before doesn't mean i can't do it but you are correct. This is a new deal. This is a new event in the history of public health and many for stepping up to the plate to do whatever they can to assist. Yeah and just because i just want to underscore absolutely just because people haven't done this before definitely does not mean that they can't do it. That's triple negative. But i completely agree with you and just trying to get a sense to how different this is though then. Say the administering mass flu vaccine. I mean it sounds like it's really quite different in some ways. There are similarities. Some ways there are differences with in arkansas. We've been practicing mass administration a vaccine every fall with flu season. But we've had to make changes for instance this year. You just can't line people up to get a koba nineteen vaccine because of the Business of the virus. You wouldn't want to vaccinate while at the same time. It's dozing every month. So we're going to have to shift to more drive thru and clinics. That are spaced out or smaller. That timing's going gonna have to be different. So people are adjusting to that. Well dr jennifer dila is director immunizations for the arkansas department of health. Joining us from little rock. Arkansas dr dillon. Hey thank you so very much for joining us. Arkansas's lucky to have you. Well i'm so happy to be here thinking that we're gonna talk more about vaccine distribution when we come back. This is on point. This is on point. I'm meghna chakrabarti. Today we're talking about the fact that the facts fastest development program in human history regarding potential covid nineteen. Vaccines is now meeting a new challenge. The largest vaccine distribution challenge in human history. Well i want to bring into the conversation now. Dr william shatner. He's joining us from nashville tennessee. He's professor of preventative medicine and infectious diseases and immunization policy at vanderbilt university. Dr schaffner welcome to the show. Good to be with you. It's great to have you back. Also with us from raleigh. North carolina is julie's swan professor of industrial and systems engineering at north carolina state university professor swan. Welcome to you. Thank you so much so let me first of all start by getting a little bit of Reaction from both of you on what you heard dr dillon. Hey talk about a regarding concerns or challenges that She sees in arkansas regarding distributing a potential covid nineteen vaccine. She talked about every thing from communicating to public health professionals across the state the particular training. That's going to be required. Let alone the logistics around distribution tracking cold storage. Even down to planning around win vials. We're going to be opened and mixed. I mean it sounds like a great deal of it it. It sounds like a logistical challenge. That that could tax any public health systems. So dr. Schaffner your thoughts on that. Well dr dillon did it Very nicely she talked about the entire spectrum of issues. As i see it one of the important things will be indeed as she said at the beginning to communicate clearly transparently to the general population. People want to know. Is this vaccine safe. They've heard we're working so speedily to bring this vaccine to To the people is it safe and we're going to have to reassure them about that and then exactly how effective is it and for. How long will the protection last. Which we won't be able to tell them you know this whole vaccine development program. His has had a political veneer and we scientists and people in public health and going to have to try to strip away that political veneer and concentrate on the scientific a public health issues. And i think the fact that the election is behind us has eased that very very substantially The professor swan your thoughts. So my colleague is right after tila. Hey coverage so many of these important issues. I've looked a lot. At the distribution systems in logistics that st both used for distribution of the h one n one pandemic vaccine back in two thousand and nine and what. Some of them are planning This time around for covid nineteen she mentioned relationships partnerships or certainly going to be really important as we determine the best ways to use the pfizer vaccine to reach the population It certainly as she mentioned could be sent to places that are best able to handle that Based on their infrastructure and and how many people they need to vaccinate to use up those minimum nine hundred and seventy five doses efficiently so that were covering as many people as we can with that and making sure that we're still finding ways that we can reach people who are not in big cities perhaps maderno vaccine perhaps through partnering with commercial part pharmacies and perhaps even doing some secondary distribution with the pfizer vaccine if necessary to ensure that people across the entire state will have access to it. So i'm just going to repeat a question that i asked the doctor dila. 'cause i'm i'm really trying to get my mind around the scope of of the challenge right now so so dr schaffner had a ha- is this. Let me rephrase are the efforts that are going to have to be put forth for successful distribution and you know an administration of a covid nineteen vaccine is. Have we done anything like this before. How similar is it to previous global efforts for math mass vaccination or we really are in new territory here. Well i guess i would to analogize. In the following way dr dila and her counterparts across the country in state immunization programs have been ineffective mountain climbers. They've done the distribution of all kinds of different vaccines to all different providers in in their states. But this mountain is higher than any other that they've ever climbed so the challenge is very substantial but these are very experienced people who know about vaccines know about the providers have a good sense of the populace and what sort of information they need so yes. It's a large challenge but it is one that we can succeed at. It will take time if you want to vaccinate three hundred and thirty million people in the united states alone. We can't do that in a week. And a half this to take months and we'll have to communicate very very clearly when it's your turn to get the vaccine because they will be a prior art prioritization scheme that is Presented early vaccine will go to healthcare providers who take care of patients with covert an emergency medicine. Medical technicians people who work in nursing homes for example and then the second group may well be people at increased risk of severe disease people aged sixty five and older people with underlying illnesses and then on down the road the healthy population but that will be in the future. We'll have to communicate in each location in the big cities in rural areas. When it's your turn to get in line and roll up your sleeve. And i think we can do that. But it will take a really sustained very large effort and as professor swan. I'm certainly sure appreciates. This will be a sustained an elaborate logistical challenge. That's right up her alley. Yeah you know of one of the one of the silver linings to this. Terrible pandemic is for those people who care to to care to learn the work of public health officials. Now we're we're all trying to get educated on what public health officials have been toiling at a behind the scenes for other diseases for year after year. And i'm just thinking about the again the level of detail that has to go into the planning. Because as you know dr dillon hey said for flu vaccine clinics you kind of have everyone come in sitting. Sit down in the office and wait to get their their jab. but of course. You can't do that with kovin so even just planning on like the frequency with which people come in or doing it. Well folks are in their cars. It's quite remarkable. The thought that's going to go into a successful campaign to get a covert nineteen vaccine out. Now i want to also just encourage both of you. Please help us nerd out here. The technical details are actually quite important gays. Let's let's move upstream a little bit here. I wanna play a little of what modern as president. Stephen hoge said about their vaccine on monday. We have a lot of work ahead of us. Knowing the vaccine is going to be effective is great news but we still need to complete regulatory process which involves completing the study generating more data even some followup safety and then of course we need to get busy manufacturing so professor swan okay. The regulatory process one thing but getting busy manufacturing you are the systems engineering specialists here. What are the. What are the challenges in getting busy manufacturing hundreds of millions of doses of these vaccines. Well that's a great question and there are lots of challenges One of the good things is that because everyone knew that if really urgent all of the companies the pharmaceutical companies have been already working on their production processes simultaneously with the face trial to make sure that it's safe and effective and so that does make it easier to scale up sooner than what would normally happen when you develop a new product. And so that's why when the regulatory approval is their up to date has been reviewed. We'll start seeing doses. Come out pretty quickly. One of the other things is that because of the specific technologies chosen these m. r. a platforms and some of the others. That are that are coming next in the next vaccines they're using different kinds of production processes than what we use for. Our production of influenza vaccine influenza vaccine is produced chicken eggs and it takes a while. Because you only get a little bit from each edge you've got to have lots of kleenex. to produce it. in four the covid nineteen vaccines are being produced in bio reactors so there are more ways than that production can be scaled up. Can i just jump in your per second. So do we have enough reagents for those bio reactors. Do we have enough vials to store. Then the vaccine that's created in the in the bio reactors thing things like that. Oh yeah so so this year. everybody Is now thinking about supply chains on the one hand. That's great on the when supply chains during the news. This much it probably means it was the problem So certainly people have been looking at all of the different elements of the supply chain for these pharmaceutical product It's not just the bio reactors themselves so these bags that go in the bio reactors. There certainly are the glass vials. That you mentioned there. Syringes and gloves and all kinds of auxiliary supplies so we have been working on this part of it simultaneously wild the pharmaceutical Tests have been run so i do anticipate that we will have an off at least initially and i know that capacity worldwide is being scaled up across all of these there certainly is the potential that some component has been missed or some further disruption. Happens but a lot of people have been paying attention to all of the products of that are related to the production of these vaccines and just basic question. Where will they be made the great question. So i looked at that the other day. Pfizer has two main production sites as one in kalamazoo michigan. There's one in europe. I believe it's in belgium Moderna has several And then if you look at the upcoming vaccines Astrazeneca and johnson and johnson could potentially be next astrazeneca has announced a number of partnerships with manufacturers all around the world so the pharmaceutical companies have somewhat different models of visors. Probably concentrated on these main two locations whereas astor's annika will be Likely produced in multiple locations. I think moderna What we get in the us we'll be produced in the us at a couple of different sites So so that and the corresponding capacity to fill and finish the vaccine. I think of it like taking the syrup from coca cola and putting it into the bottle with the label in the path that part of the process is also being scaled up and they are partnering with organizations to make sure that they have enough capacity on that side as well. so dr schaffner It sounds. I mean we're not gonna get all of these doses out overnight right. It's this this is going to be a process over many months but do do you have confidence that all this the the the the scaling up is happening in the way it needs to i. Actually i do as a professor swans at a lot of people have been working on this for quite some time in anticipation that the trials will be successful. We're going to start the delivery process so all of these details. do we have enough needles and syringes. Alcohol pants as you mentioned. Glass vials stoppers for the while a for the vials. Labels put on the on the vials. Can they get printed up all of that. I think has been worked on for some time. And of course we'll keep delivering the vaccine over months really going forward. I would anticipate that We will be vaccinating in some form or another well into the summer of twenty twenty. One you can't do this overnight and then if we take an even larger view of course we'd like to vaccinate with the help of many partners around the world the global population. We're not the only place that this covert viruses causing so much misery. I magnin tucker body. This is on point. So let's talk a little bit more So that's production I i do wanna talk a little bit more about actually getting the vaccines to the places that it needs to get which is everywhere Because i think most people. I'll raise my hand me. Included never even gave a second thought to the fact that these things had to be cold stored let alone some sometimes in ultra cold-storage professor swan. What's the what was the technological infrastructure needed to get a pfizer's vaccine to rural hospital or rural doctor's office at minus seventy see. That is a great question and you you mentioned in particular. That is the one that has the strongest requirements on that cold chain There are others that have lesser requirements. It would be more similar to what we have for other vaccines already in our system. for negative seventy see. This requires One of two things if visor is the shipping it in a thermal container that we'll keep it at the appropriate temperature It has to be repacked with dry. Pella did i After five days and after five days again and then on day fifteen after production it should go into the refrigerator and it begins that last portion of the the phase when it's available for us support parishes and i think that's about five days is as well so really from the time that you would receive it. You have ten to fifteen days to utilize those vaccine if you're in the part of the phase of the campaign when we're trying to vaccinate as many people as possible anybody can come and get it. It's not limited to the population that might be a little bit easier because you could hold mass vaccination clinics and and get everybody within some region but in the early parts of the campaign. This is really going to be particularly hard because we'll be trying to reach these very targeted Groups such as medical workers who are caring for covid nineteen paycheck and there may not be nine hundred. Seventy five of those in one location now. If you did have a freezer special freezers called sub eighty freezer. Then you could store which are unlikely to have that infrastructure in place in advance in rural areas. There are some states that have bought some additional sub eighty freezers. So i look to the state plan yesterday. And they have twenty that they're going to be locating around the state State has a few distribution centers. They're planning on setting up but even if they don't have nobody freezers distribution centers. There are ways of using this vaccine. I've come up with three strategies. Certainly one is to send the pfizer. Vaccine preferentially two large cities or where there are lots of people and you would ask those people to drive to you A second one is that you You take the vaccine and you take it mobile so you take it to a particular location and then you try to reach populations by taking out a certain number of vaccines and try to deliver them to The partners in the local area to use up those nine hundred and seventy five does but well professor swan and dr schaffner stand by here for just a second. 'cause we do have to take a quick break. We are really trying to understand the very specific logistical challenges. Communication challenges training challenges around. What would effectively be. One of the largest vaccine distribution efforts in human history around a kobe nineteen vaccine. So we'll have a lot more when we come back. This is on point. This point meghna chakrabarti tomorrow on the program. We're going to be talking about alaska's tonga's national forest it's one of the largest intact temperate rainforests in the world and last month. The trump administration decided to remove some federal protections Previously that the forest enjoyed in now about half of it's going to be opened up to development road-building and more logging. And so we're gonna be talking with alaskans who know the forest well and we want to hear from you. If you've been to the tonga's if you're if you're an an alaskan if you have thoughts on how distract the best balance between Development in forest economic development and environmental protection. Call us at six one seven three five three zero six eight three six one seven three five three zero six eight three. That's for tomorrow's show today. We are talking about next steps in the development of a covid nineteen vaccine. We've had good news in terms of laboratory development and clinical trials from several potential covid. Nineteen vaccines a. We're looking at what now we'll be eventually. One of the largest distribution efforts were a vaccine in human history. I'm joined today by dr william schaffner. He's professor of preventative medicine and infectious disease and immunization policy at vanderbilt university. He's with us from nashville and professor. Julie's swan also joins us. She is in raleigh north carolina. She's a professor of industrial and systems engineering at north carolina state university and and dr shafie professor swan. We've been discussing the cold chain challenges around these covid nineteen vaccines and just to remind folks. Maderno vaccine needs to be kept at about minus four degrees. Fahrenheit of typical freezer could probably achieve that. The pfizer vaccine has to be at around minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit. That is ant arctic winter. Cold so we spoke with alicia clark. She's a pharmacist with direct relief a humanitarian medical organization. That's done a lot of work around the world and we asked her. How do you pull off cold chain distribution we get the medication from the manufacturer directly to are licensed facility that check to end inspected and place entire inventory where it's stored for between two and eight degrees celsius which is monitor twenty four hours at a time. There's multiple sensor as it gets adjusted as needed. Once the product is ready to go to a partner it's packed into validated shipping containers and the shipping containers are really specific for coaching product. It's down to every detail of how these are packed. In what order. Depending on what season it is and then within each of those containers temperature monitoring devices that we include with each shipment that take the temperature every fifteen minutes from that point the pickup from our facility coordinated the delivery to the end recipient is coordinated the recipient uploads all of the data From those temperature lockers. And if everything looks good. It's okay to dispense the covert nineteen vaccine needs. Reach people in every possible type of environment around the world. So clark is worried about less. Resource community. Needs are concerned always lies with those vulnerable patients. low resources is going to reach them We see those challenges kind of on a daily basis when we do ship our our regular chain products. And that's not the insulin and other vaccines in some of the agents. So i think that we expect the challenges to parallel our everyday experience at our everyday challenges and Still really want that to be missed. We don't want people to be forgotten or slip through the cracks during this whole process. Just because everything's moving so quickly and it's such a dire situation will at least clark also told us though that relief organizations have expertise in getting medications to disaster areas say after a hurricane wildfire or tornado. We're used to seeing things like power outages where refrigerators go down. we're used to seeing road closures interruption and the transportation lanes it's better and easier to handle those deviations when there's already a protocol in place and so we can kind of think of covert as being this global scale disaster in a sense affecting so many and so With all of these uncertainties. I think that being able to be flexible It would be really helpful to maintaining the product and so it it comes down to having well defined plan and really having that communication place in coordination among all the groups that are involved. That was alicia. Clark she's a pharmacist. Overseeing cold chain distribution with the humanitarian organization direct relief and dr shafter unleashes at a lot of really interesting things there. And i wanted to get your thoughts on on on a couple of them first of all. She talked about the importance of data. And i presume not just data in tracking the actual vaccine but then in its in its final distribution T to people. Yes that's very very important. The cdc will have in place a system to evaluate constantly the effectiveness of the vaccine and its safety in an ongoing way. The average person doesn't know that we constantly monitored the safety of all the vaccines that we use on a routine basis in children and adults. Of course the job here as with as we have been saying is larger. But it's also very insistent because these are new vaccines and so they have been studied very carefully in these trials but not when we give it to hundreds of thousands and millions of people but the cdc the food and drug administration the center for medicare and medicaid services. Cms and others have systems in place that quite cooperative in monitoring in constant fashion. And for that you have to have data and so the individual state vaccine registries. The vaccine immunization immunization information systems will be very very critical. We'll have to know who who received. Which vaccine and win in order to make these assessments with precision. Well we've got some interesting questions coming in from on point listeners. Because i've said it a couple of times during this hour. The initial data showing ninety five percent effectiveness for both madonna and pfizer's vaccine so jeff stone is saying when you say ninety five percent effective jeff wonders effective against what aren't there multiple strains of covid nineteen and isn't it mutating dr shafter. Actually the virus is been in. Its essential piece the piece that the vaccine works against the so-called protein has been remarkably stable. Of course the The virus mutates a little bit as we might say around the edges so we can see which strain arrived from europe which strain arrived from china we can make those distinctions but the essential part of the virus that spike protein against which these vaccines work has remained stable so so far so good and another jeff. Jeff kirstein says since people appear to be able to become reinfected with covid. Will we need to continue developing additional vaccines. We'll end up like the flu and is just always with us. Dr shafter well. There have been repeat infections documented. So far they're pretty unusual so we'll have to see how long protection lasts both the real disease and from the vaccine. It's possible with lots of vaccines. We have to get booster doses periodically. But that's down the road. Let's get the vaccine into people. Let's control this outbreak on the front end and then our studies will tell us stay tuned. How often we have to come back for repeat vaccination if we do now so. Let's summit that i mountain essentially is what you're saying. We also received this question and professor swan on. We'll turn this one to you. But a listener called us and was wondering about the shelf. Life of vaccines. Hey this is lou. Friend from washington. My questions about the the pfizer vaccine. I understand that it only has a five day life span so how usable would a vaccine that can only last five days be in In terms of rolling it out to a state. They've got to stay on day number. Two perhaps after manufacturing to recall state press one how. Es so the five days is after the vaccine is the thawed is refrigerator temperature so you have at least ten days before that ten days into thermal shipper another five days after its thawed and if you do have any eighty freezers that would also give you additional time because you could put the vaccine in that and keep it longer. Okay so in in talking about the various pieces of this logistical puzzle. Clearly it's see its complexity is is evident so i wonder professor swan. What we haven't discussed yet is. Is there a role for organizations. That have really Profound logistical expertise for example. The united states military. I mean it should. What ideally what. Role would you have the government play in a vaccine distribution program for for covid. That's a great question and there has been You know various points where you see. Military mentioned sometimes in warp speed materials. It is not built into the plans. From what i can tell. I think the most likely role would really be Security needed that national guards could provide it but one thing is that some communities may not feel as comfortable with the vaccine at the military were coming in and delivering it and we do have lots of other kinds of organizations. There's a rich logistics background with ups. For example fedex cazin distribution center is playing a role. So i think what we're going to see if they're going to be a lot of private partners a commercial supply chains or another great example. Something like a. Cvs walgreens are going to be delivering vaccine to nursing homes and long term care and they could also play a role in helping get the vaccine out to rural areas. So i think that's where we'll really see a lot of partnerships as well as some of the technology companies dr schaffner. Do you want to jump in there on that. I would agree completely with the professor swan. The military might be able to help us if we have to set up special facilities tense for example in order to handle large numbers of personnel. And also a bit as she says on the security side but the private sector and the united states government are used to transporting and supplying large amounts of vaccine on a sustained fashion and those relationships have been. Well established there in place to deliver these co vaccines now. I have great confidence that the delivery system is going to work. I magnin ra bardy. This is on point so let's go back upstream here for just a second here because the That good news that we opened the show with about ninety. Five percent effectiveness still doesn't yet mean though that any vaccine has received formal fda approval however. Dr anthony fauci The government's top infectious disease expert He In an online event yesterday describes what the next steps will be that the scientific community is taking or would need to take to get vaccines approved. What really is happening. Is this independent process. That is looked at by people with no skin in the game financially. Or otherwise i see the data. I get reported the data to me. The fda sees the data soon it will be published where the entire community will see the data. So doctor talk about this a little bit because as we touched on earlier in the show i sadly there is a there has been significant. Drop in americans trust in their governmental and regulatory institutions And i have seen lots of people say well. I'm not going to believe it. When an fda the fda approves this vaccine because it either happened too fast or it happened under this administration. Or i don't believe vaccines. We will whatever so i mean. What would you tell people about. Have faith in the regulatory and approval process around this vaccine and if so why the short answer is yes definitely as a matter of fact What's really quite clear is that there are going to be to external advisory committees who have as dr fauci said no skin in the game. Excuse me they're tough. People who will evaluate these data. One external advisory group advisors the food and drug administration and the other external advisory group advises the centers for disease control the cdc and both of will express their opinions very clearly about i whether the vaccine should indeed receive the emergency use authorization if it's safe and effective enough. And then the cdc advisory committee will direct the prioritization scheme and who should receive the vaccine and win. Both of those systems had been in place for many many years. They work routinely. They are very rigorous and they can provide great confidence and reassurance to the american public that the vaccine will be safe and effective. And then of course we have to transmit that information including and i would like to mention this very quickly to subpopulations such as our african american community hispanic community and other ethnic minorities because surveys have already shown that among the Reluctant people reluctance is deep in those communities. And that's a paradox. Of course because they are communities disproportionately affected by cove. It so we want to make sure that they have the information and the reassurance so that they can make wise decisions and professors. We've only got about thirty seconds left here but let's keep our eye on the future. And when one last bit of mining of your expertise here as we get into the distribution phase of covid nineteen vaccine. Where would you look in particular to get a sense as to whether the system is working. Well it depends on what you mean by the system working. That's certainly in terms of preventing cases disease hotspots in terms of distribution systems. Themselves will look at the lead time and all the the data on how many people are getting Know getting the shot in the arm and how quickly it's happening and we will start seeing that data and you know what it is absolutely a professor of systems engineering would ask me. What part of the system or are you talking about. You're you're exactly right to ask but we're out of time for today. Professor julie's swan industrial and systems engineering at north carolina. state university. thank you so much for joining us. Thank you dr. William shafter professor of preventative medicine infectious disease and immunization policy at vanderbilt. Dr shafter thank you so very much pleasure thank you. I'm meghan chakrabarti. This is on point.
The vaccine plan
"Hey it's jeannie andel in for patricia. Murphy it's wednesday and this is seattle. Now we've been waiting for a covid vaccine all year. It's the only way our lives might go back to some semblance of normal now. Vaccines are almost here. But don't go running to the closest pharmacy just yet we won't all be vaccinated for awhile. Cross cut reporter. Hannah weinberger will tell us more in a minute but first let's get you caught a covid really has its hands in everything including how many new laws will get past washington. State house. majority democrats will be limited to a maximum of seven bill proposals each next year. Democrats in the state. Legislature will prioritize four key areas for the twenty twenty one session. Racial equity covid response economic recovery and climate change. The legislature will also combine remote and in-person lawmaking many of the first corona virus. Vaccines are set to arrive on ice at seatac airport. The vaccines are being shipped from michigan special high powered freezer containers the ultra freezers will keep visors doses. At ninety four degrees fahrenheit below zero and maderna's vaccines at thirty degrees. The doses have to be kept icy cold. If they warm up enzymes can degrade the vaccines and canada is closing. Its border to the. Us indefinitely. canadian prime minister justin trudeau said the current. Us travel ban would only be lifted once cove. It is under control. Globally three quarters of canada's exports go to the us so essential trade including agriculture and pharmaceuticals will continue even by twenty twenty standards. Were in a pretty dark time. Shutdowns are back and more people are dying from cova than almost any other point during the pandemic but there may be a light at the end of the tunnel. The first covid vaccine could be approved by the fda as soon as next week and more vaccines are on their way. Hannah weinberger is here to explain. Washington's plan for rolling out the vaccines. And what we still don't know about them. She's a science reporter at cross cut. Hi hannah welcome to the show. Thank you for having me socially distance. Yes very socially distanced were in two different buildings entirely. So the fda mike give emergency approval to pfizer's cova vaccine next week. What does the time look like for people here. In washington state to start getting vaccinated rate so there are some really rapidly approaching dates being thrown out there right now. Both from state government and federal government leaders monsef slough who's leading the national vaccination development and distribution program will work speed. What a name announced right before thanksgiving that the operation is prepared to start shipping vaccines to patients within a day of approval by the fda that means we could start seeing vaccines reaching washington in mid-december. Wow i mean i'm hearing two things from what you're saying. One mid december. That's two weeks from now. It is but also there are a lot of ifs and a lot of conditions in what you just told us and we want to unpack a lot of that but first we know that washington state has a plan for who gets priority access to vaccines. It's important to point out that we don't all get vaccinated in mid or late december here. So what does that priority access plan. Look like so right now. The state is working from a four phase. Plan the first phase which will be seeing vaccines. I in december if that happens is the super high risk face so these are people who cannot avoid active cove infections. People like health workers first responders people with really really serious underlying health conditions. And potentially it'll also include older adults in congregate or long term care facilities the second phase. Once we meet the needs of everyone in that first phase which by take awhile are people with essential jobs so people who are out and about because of their work. They can't avoid other members of society very easily people who have underlying conditions. that are a little. Less serious are also considered in that group people in homeless shelters or prisons or other areas where they're in congregate settings or they don't have as great access to medical care and then all older adults who are included in that first phase are also going to be included so bat phase is for when we still have relatively limited amounts of vaccine but enough to start ramping up. We have a lot more hospitals and other healthcare providers who are able to deliver large numbers of these vaccines face. Three happens when we have a lot of vaccine available and that's when we cubans who have fewer underlying health conditions and are able to socially distanced. Corinthian were easily from home are probably going to start thinking about their ability to get vaccinated. I know that. I am not in that high priority group. You're probably not that high priority group. So how long might we need to wait before we get vaccinated well. The draft plan was estimating washington state would get about two percent the very first vaccine doses available maybe two hundred thousand by the end of december and the state estimates. It needs to vaccinate between one hundred fifty thousand and four hundred thousand people in the first two months in that high priority group alone there are also three million people with co morbidity is alone so it might take a while to get out of that first phase which doesn't necessarily preclude people in later phases from getting the vaccine. I'm sure that this is not going to be a hard and fast thing it's going to be pretty scrappy so we could be waiting for a while So we can't talk about vaccines without talking about vaccine skepticism. There was a gallup poll in october. That said about forty percent of people didn't know if they would get a covert vaccine immediately. You know in some of those people are in general skeptical of vaccines other. People are worried about whether these covid vaccines are effective whether they've been vetted and tested thoroughly enough given the speed with which they've been released so washington state trying to address those concerns rational understandable mistrust of the medical system in general from certain high risk communities Lat next and black communities have been most heavily impacted by the virus but systemic racism in the medical system means they are not only underserved but exploited so giving those communities agency in the leadership in this process is so important and in reviewing washington. State's draft plan. There is a lot of emphasis on outreach education and conversation so there's listening sessions surveys where people who are going to be vaccinated have an opportunity to weigh in on this draft planet. Say this is concerning to me. Or are you sure you considered equity in this aspect of the process and as long as that's something that actually gets factored into how this plan develops i would feel positive about it but i think it's important to continually monitor that. Let's just assume that at some point most of us get vaccinated. Is this a silver bullet. Does this mean that the pandemic is over. You would wish for that. But i am wishing. There's there's a lot that we don't know about the long term success of these vaccines which it doesn't mean that they don't work that we don't have this long-term data yet just still you know a black hole. We don't have that information yet. So what that means is. We don't know how long immunity lasts whether you're going to have to get these tudose. Vaccinations yearly semi regularly etcetera. Whether this is a lifelong commitment for each person and we don't know whether vaccination stops the immunize e from being a vector of disease. What that means is. I could be vaccinated. Virus is still transmitted to someone else. And we're going to have to see what immunizing billions of people means for that hannah. What will you be watching over the next few weeks and months to gauge. How this rollout is going. Maybe i'm the only one. But i'm fascinated with the supply chain logistics of this. We need so much dry ice to keep all of these vaccines from going bad. We need super cold storage for some of these vaccines the infrastructure. Necessary to hit all of these marks is gonna be astronomical and also curious to see how people's relationships with these vaccines develop and how their relationships with each other developed based on those decisions. So what will it mean for me. If i decide to get the vaccine. And someone i care about doesn't what will it mean if i have the vaccine and all of a sudden there's this distortion storyline. That develops where i able to do things that other people aren't. I don't think that's likely given the first people to get. The vaccines are not people who are going to be like time for a vacation like these are people who are in hospitals actively trying to keep people from dying like it's not license to just live as we used to that room that people keep talking about. That's never gonna happen so many questions still can't weinberger is cross cut science reporter. Thank so much for talking with us today. Thank you for having me on if you want to read more about the plan for distributing vaccines in washington checkout. Hannah's story about it. There's a link in the show notes. Seattle now is produced by clermont grain map martin. Sophie read caroline chamberlain gomez jason piano match jurgensen. Does our music patricia murphy is back tomorrow. So until next time i'm jeannie yandell.
BrainStuff Classics: How Does Night Vision Work?
"The brain stuff. A production of iheartradio. Hey brain stuff I'm Lauren. Bogle bomb and this is a classic episode from Earth while host Christian Sagar. This one concerns a favourite ethological trope spy and action movies night-vision Goggles. How do they really work? Hey brain stuff. This is Christian Sager. So night-vision seems like a pretty cool idea right. I mean you see it all the time in movies. Some secret agent type straps on a pair of goggles sneaks into a look jury is super villain compound and mows down enemies under the cover of darkness or the Predator. Stocks Arnold Schwarzenegger killing his platoon. One by one by one and as you're watching all this you may occasionally ask yourself. Hey do those goofy looking goggles really work? Well the answer is yes absolutely with a good night vision device or Envy D. You can see a person standing over two hundred yards or one hundred and eighty three meters away on a moonlit cloudy night and whether we're talking goggles scopes or cameras. Most of these devices rely on one or two types of night vision image enhancement. That's the green looking one and thermal imaging. Which is the bluish-gray Stuff. They both produce results but work in different ways. Thermal imaging captures the upper portion of the infrared light spectrum objects amid the as heat rather than reflecting it as light hotter objects such as the bodies of secret agents emit more of this light than cooler objects like buildings trees. Or you know dead bodies. And that's what you're seeing when you use thermal imaging essentially a measure of temperature from negative four degrees Fahrenheit two three thousand six hundred degrees Fahrenheit the magic or well you know. The science starts at the Lens which focuses the infrared light emitted by the objects in view and uses a phased array of infrared detector to create a temperature pattern called a thermographic which is translated first into electric impulses and then into data for the display where it appears as various colors. Depending on the intensity of the infrared. Then there's image enhancement. This collects tiny amounts of light including the lower portion of the infrared light spectrum and amplifies zip devices using this approach rely on an image intensified tube to collect amplify light both the infrared kind and the visible stuff image enhancers us a photo cathode to convert photons into electrons and high voltage to amplify those electrons in a micro channel plate or an MCP before they hit a screen. That's coated with foster's here's the crazy part. These electrons maintain their position. In relation to the micro channel. They passed through which provides a perfect image. Since the electrons stay in the same alignment as the original photons. When they hit the screen they're energy sites. The Fos- fers releasing photons. Those phosphorus create the green image. You see when you look through a night vision scope stays episode was written by Ben Bullen and produced by Tyler. Clang for more on this and lots of other insightful topics visit house afford dot com brain stuff is production of iheartradio for more podcast. Iheartradio is the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows only see you look over. There is that much. Yes last coach. Don Las Culturas calling. This is Matt Rogers and this is Bowen Yang and you might know us from shared credits including SNL shrill nor from Queens and broad city. So yeah what those credits you can tell. These people must know what they're talking about. And here's the thing we do. If you listen to this pop culture podcast and we say independen on pop culture. It is henceforth law every episode. We get into the formative culture that made our guests say culture was for them. Well if that sounds interesting to you and you WANNA keep it in. The IHEARTRADIO FAMILY LISTENED TO LAS. Culturas doesn't mean I heart radio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts.
Pfizer Will Seek FDA Authorization for COVID-19 Vaccine Within Days
"Presented by raytheon technologies our nearly two hundred thousand engineers researchers and people with purpose are building the future today. We're pushing the limits of known science to go deeper into space advance aviation and build smarter defense systems that protect all of us here at home. That's the future of aerospace and defense learn more at rtx dot com pfizer will seek fda for covid nineteen vaccine within days by alice. Park visor and biotech. Intech expect to ask for emergency permission. Within a matter of days to start distributing their covid nineteen vaccine. The company said wednesday as they released a trove of new data. Showing the vaccine is about ninety five percent effective a request to the food and drug administration. Which evaluates all new medications brought to market would be a dramatic milestone public health experts view vaccination against covid nineteen as an important part of achieving herd immunity protection to slow eventually control the pandemic it would also be an important scientific milestone if granted the pfizer and bio and tech vaccine would be the first shot based on a new m are in a technology to receive. Fda authorization the platform allows scientists to speed up the development of vaccines since all they need is the viruses genetic sequence in order to get the work that efficiency lead pfizer as well as another biotech massachusetts based moderna which reported its covid. Nineteen vaccine is ninety four and a half percent effective to create vaccines and have them ready for human testing. In a matter of months other vaccine makers including french company so no fee are also pursuing m orion a covid nineteen vaccines and getting close to completing their late stage human trials once the company's submit their request for emergency use authorization to the fda. The agency will review the data and could make a decision quickly. Based on the quality of data and the urgent need for a vaccine to address the pandemic. It's worth noting that the vaccine was tested for its effectiveness in protecting against symptoms of covid nineteen and not protecting against infection with the coronavirus. All of the covid nineteen cases in the study were confirmed. After people reported symptoms of infection researchers then looked at those who are positive for covid nineteen and compared the vaccinated and placebo groups for whether they developed more symptoms of the disease such protection however is still important as the pandemic continues to sweep around the world and doctors have little ability to predict who will get more severely. Ill new york based pfizer. Which partnered with german biotech biotech was the first to report results from its phase. Three study of a pandemic vaccine the initial results released november ninth noted that it was more than ninety percent effective in protecting people from symptomatic covid nineteen disease. Madonna then reported a week later that its vaccine was ninety. Four and a half percent effective the newly released data from pfizer shows the efficacy pfizer and biotechs initial announcement included data from ninety four cases of covid nineteen among both the vaccinated and placebo groups in the face. Three study in the new written release. Visors said it's full data report involved more than forty three thousand study participants and logged one hundred seventy cases of covid nineteen one hundred sixty two of which occurred among people receiving the placebo shot. Just eight people who had received the two dose vaccine got sick with covid nineteen. The vaccine was equally effective and older as well as younger people. The shot was ninety four percent effective in protecting against covid nineteen illnesses among those over age. Sixty five there was encouraging data that the vaccine also protected against severe disease of the ten people in the trial who experienced severe cova nineteen only one had received the vaccine. The rest had gotten a placebo. Most importantly pfizer says it fulfil the fda's safety requirement of following most of the study participants for two months to ensure that they did not experience serious side effects or adverse events if the vaccine is authorized hospitals pharmacies and other health centers will have to be ready to handle the doses properly while mr are in technology allows researchers to more efficiently develop vaccines. The shots are temperature sensitive. Pfizer's vaccines need to be stored at minus seventy degrees celsius equivalent to minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit much lower than most freezers at health facilities so the company is planning to ship vials and special thermal containers that can maintain such ultra cold temperatures for up to fifteen days with dry eyes visor plans to produce fifty million doses of its vaccine by the end of twenty twenty and up to one point three billion doses through twenty twenty one at its for manufacturing plants in dover massachusetts kalamazoo michigan saint louis missouri and purrs belgium. That means that initially doses will be limited and until researchers learn more about how long vaccine induced protection against the covid. nineteen virus lasts. We will still be wearing masks washing our hands frequently and social distancing to curb spread of the virus.
Study: Great Lakes hit hardest by climate change in U.S.
"Support for climate cast comes from Bank of America financing clean energy, initiatives and advancements in renewable energy and spurring innovation and the growth of environmentally focused companies markets and jobs. Bank of America NA member FDIC good morning. Twenty one percent. That's how much of the world's freshwater lies in the Great Lakes. Thirty four million people live in the Great Lakes basin. Now, a new study finds climate change in the Great Lakes is happening faster than the rest of the US study co author Lucinda Johnson is the associate director at the natural resources research institute at the university of Minnesota Duluth for the US as a whole to average temperatures have increased by one point two degrees Fahrenheit, whereas for the Great Lakes in the states bordering the Great Lakes that is one point four degrees Fahrenheit. And actually if you just look at the base in itself, the increase has been one point six degrees Fahrenheit over that. Period. Of the last century. So the Great Lakes is warming faster than the rest of the United States. It looks like it's also getting wetter. I saw this in the study US annual precipitation increased four percent between nineteen o one and twenty fifteen but the Great Lakes region saw about a ten percent increase with more of this precipitation coming as unusually large events what jumps out at you there in that piece of data. Well, the problem with large events is that they are just so destructive. They are distracted from the standpoint of our infrastructure and just the destruction to people's homes is is heartbreaking. But similarly, we see these large events responsible for moving a lot of the sediment and nutrients from the landscape into nearby water bodies, which has a very detrimental effect on what a quality. And we hear about algae blooms we know that lakes like Erie that are much shallower. Are more prone to those what about lake superior? I know it's a cold lake. We don't get a lot of algae blooms there. But as we wash these nutrients in and as the lake temperatures warm is that's something we might expect more of in the future. Well, one of the things that we are really quite concerned about is the fact that we have been observing algal blooms in lake superior. We've seen three blooms that happen to coincide with these very very large rain events. So just this past summer. There was a bloom around the little town of cornucopia. And although this wasn't the toxic algal bloom that we know of it is a huge concern to us to begin to see elbow. Blooms in water body, like lake superior, which is known to be very pristine. Now, we have a terse base to Konami where people in -ticipant that the water quality is going to be very clear and the thought that we might be. Experiencing algal blooms this very clear and pristine body of water is of huge concern to both the ecologists as well as to society as a whole big picture Lucinda as you look at this study, what changes on lake superior will you be monitoring closely and keeping an eye on in the next ten years or so the most important changes that we think are going to be the surface water temperatures and the number and intensity of these large storm events. So the combination of these warmer temperatures with increase nutrients coming in from the land have the potential to really change the ecosystem along the shoreline. And and we have a lot of concerns about that loosened Johnson associate director at the natural resources research institute at the university of Minnesota Duluth. Thanks for your insight today on climate cast. Well, thank you, Paul. And I. Really appreciate all of the great reporting that you joined climate change that's climate cast. I'm NPR chief meteorologist Paul Hefner.
How Does Venus Work?
"Ariana having done and I'm so excited for the new season of the thrive global podcast lead me sitting down with everyone the broad CD creators Ilana Glazer Avi Jacobson Demisch an fan and Sophia Bush as we explore how they go from surviving to thriving and hey listen tonight call on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts set in the East nobody knows how that came to pass. Astronomers think Venus us to move in a counterclockwise direction like Earth but at some point it's been quickly around its axis centrifugal force will give it a more dramatic bulge around its equator however Venus has an ultra slow rotation speed it takes the equivalent firms that Venus does not have an earth like magnetic field and it recorded surface temperatures within the expected range a young Carl Sagan helped design the mariner to probe yes studied this world up close from distances as near as twenty one thousand miles that's about thirty four thousand kilometers onboard instruments taught us a great deal mariner two eighteen degrees Fahrenheit that's three hundred twenty six degrees Celsius and believe it or not those readings were kind of low we now know the average surface temperature on from one pole to the other conversely Venus is almost a perfect sphere what gives well when a massive celestial body like a star or planet spins successfully lobbied to have the space craft fitted with a camera because close up pictures of Venus might quote answer questions that we were too dumb to even pose by the time Mariner to launched scientists already knew that there were high levels of carbon dioxide in the vision atmosphere and that composition should give us pause carbon end of earth total volume Venus has earth beaten in some key regards though earth displays a slight midsection bulge being wider around its equator than it is I have reversed alternatively perhaps the sun's Gravitational influence or a collision with a large object caused the entire planet to flip upside down eight at Venus's habitable pretty much imploded during the Cold War in Nineteen fifty-six Radio Telescope observations showed that the planet had surfaced temperatures in excess of six hundred and eight dockside makes up a whopping ninety six percent of Venus's atmosphere scientists attribute this to a runaway greenhouse effect theoretically the planet used to have a more the Venus is the second brightest natural object in the night sky partially because this planet is covered by reflective clouds that make it is an optical telescopes can't penetrate so in other words a day on Venus lasts longer than Vanesian year does and get this from our self centered perspective Venus spins backward word most of the planets in the solar system rotate from west to east Uranus and Venus Buck that trend on those two worlds the sun appears to rise in the West and Nisa blistering eight hundred sixty four degrees Fahrenheit or four hundred sixty two Celsius it's the hottest planet in our solar system even though mercury is closer to the Sun guy word while the atmosphere changed it got better at trapping heat creating a vicious cycle that worsens the problem inevitably temperatures spiked and changed as are growing son became hotter any oceans would have evaporated during this time astronomers think much of the carbon dioxide invasion rocks leached out and traveled in December of nineteen sixty two Venus became the first planet to get a fly by visit from a manmade spacecraft exploiting brief window of opportunity NASA's Mariner two probes in common with Earth the two worlds are quite similar in size if you were to stuff venus inside our planet matric doll style it would occupy roughly eighty six percent stayed since our own planet has a major greenhouse gas problem Venus could offer us important insights regarding climate change but sending probes to explore temperate climate that could have remained stable for billions of years back then oceans of liquid water may have covered its surface though we don't know for sure things eight with the Venetian surface hidden from view generations of fiction writers used to speculate wild about the mysterious terrain beneath those clouds for example Tarzan Creator Edgar Rice burroughs portrayed Venus as a world with lush forests in our boreal cities in a nineteen eighty-four pulp novel but then science intervened B it has always presented major challenges on Venus the surface gravity is comparable to what you and I experience on earth what's not comparable is that atmospheric look to bring stuff a production of iheartradio a brain stuff lauren. Bobo bomb here after the moon on the face of Venus the atmospheric pressure is crushingly extreme and lead would melt into a puddle but as hellish as this place sounds actually has of two hundred and forty-three earth days for Venus to complete one full rotation around its axis and only two hundred twenty five earth days to finish a new lap around the Sun Asher which is ninety two times greater on the face of Venus than it is here faced with extreme temperatures and high pressure it's no wonder that manmade objects don't last long before it was destroyed mind you this wasn't the USSR's first Rodeo previous Venero spacecraft's successfully visited the planet's atmosphere and touched down on its outer these are still active highland plateaus deep canyons and meteorite impact craters have also been discovered there although Venus's about four point six billion years old crest brief though their visits were these probes captured the first ever photographs of the Venetian surface Nasr's Magellan spacecraft provided further insights has it mapped ninety eight percent of the planet's face all in all Venus boasts more than sixteen thousand volcanoes and volcanic features but we don't know of any long in the planet's environment when the Soviet venire thirteen probe landed on Venus in Nineteen eighty-two it stayed intact for record setting one hundred and twenty seven minutes crest is thought to be much younger with an estimated age of just three hundred to six hundred million years Venus lacks tectonic plates as we know them on earth nonetheless discovery inspires curiosity aw this episode was written by Mark Manzini and produced goals Venus mesmerized our ancestors bright and beautiful the cloud adorned planet derives its name from the Roman Goddess of love into mathematicians mapped it's progress across my heart radio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows it's eleven fifty nine in Hollywood California and night call is the sky and Galileo took detailed notes about its moon like phases somehow knowing that Venus is a stifling hot house doesn't diminish its allure with every new literal oddities of the week give us a call at one to four zero four six night and we'll discuss your ghost stories and after hours musings on the show new episodes drop every Monday on the air I'm Emily Yoshida I'm test Lynch and I'm Molly Lambert and every week three of us take your night calls and discuss our favorite mysteries conspiracies and popcorn how you can to listen to thrive global on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts tyler claim green stuff isn't productive iheartradio's how stuff works for more in this lots of other hot topics Visit our home planet has dot com and for more podcast Sunday August think that upwelling magma occasionally recycle sections of the crust long before it was an object scientific study or of Edgar Rice burroughs.
Full Episode: Sunday, December 13, 2020
"Tonight on the eve of the historic. I co vaccinations in the us. America closing in on a grim new milestone in the pandemic unprecedented effort underway workers applauding as the first ups and fedex trucks loaded with the vaccine. Roll out from the buzzer facility outside of kalamazoo michigan the first plane landing with its potentially life-saving cargo tonight. We're the first doses are going and who will be first in line. The nation's hospitals at the ready hospitals in all fifty states expecting to get their first shots beginning in just hours. Houston's largest health system doing test runs and in new york the new images of vaccination centres setup for frontline workers and the vaccine could not come soon enough. Nearly three hundred thousand lives lost to the us hospitalizations hitting a record. High country suffering. It's deadliest week since the pandemic began. Nearly one hundred americans dying every hour out of moves. The electoral college set to cement president. Elect joe biden's victory tomorrow. President trump still refusing to accept the results lashing out at the supreme court violence erupting as thousands of trump supporters. Take to the streets in dc also breaking tonight. The deadly police shooting outside of new york city cathedral the gunmen on the steps. Firing your christmas carolers. The double weather threat to systems expected to bring snow and rain the northeast now bracing for a major storm later this week. The shocking moments during a college basketball game the star player collapsing on the court and rushed to the hospital and update tonight on his condition. And the take down at take off a man climbing onto the wing of a passenger plane. How did he get up there and how authorities got him down from. Abc news world headquarters in this world news and good evening. Thank you for joining us on this sunday. I'm tom llamas. We begin tonight with the long awaited historic moment unfolding at this hour. We are all witnessing a potential turning point in the coronavirus pandemic right here in the us. America on the eve of its first. Vaccinations against covid. Nineteen the first vials of the pfizer. Vaccine being put into place workers at the pfizer plant near kalamazoo michigan taking them. Out of the subzero freezers. Placing them in boxes packed with dry ice. Ups and fedex hauling the first truckloads of the vaccine out from that plant. The first plane carrying the potential life saving cargo landing in louisville and memphis hospitals now equipped with freezers to store the vaccine at minus ninety four degrees. In new york city set to begin vaccinating thousands of frontline workers beginning tomorrow so much riding on this unprecedented vaccination effort as the us news a grim milestone. Nearly three hundred thousand american lives lost since the first death reported ten months ago. Close to three million doses. We'll be distributed in this first wave. Vaccinations healthcare workers seniors and first responders among the first receiving the shot it could take until late spring early summer until the vaccine is available to everyone. Abc's alex perez is michigan. Lewis off tonight. And the largest immunization mission the world has ever seen now underway the first doses of the lifesaving pfizer vaccine on the move. And it all begins here just outside kalamazoo michigan. It's eight thirty in the morning and this is the moment the nation has been waiting for. Take a look behind me here. You can see the first trucks filled with a vaccine leaving the pfizer facility escorted by us marshals heading to airports the country inside workers carefully packing coolers loaded with dry ice onto refrigerated carts after nine dark months hope in these tiny vials each holding five doses of the vaccine pfizer shipping. Five hundred thousand doses. Today this week shipping two point nine million doses to all fifty states and territories. And those shipments couldn't come soon enough last week so more than three thousand reported deaths in a single day the worst of the pandemic yet. I think this Vaccine today gives us the promise and the light at the end of that finds your president of global supply. Mike mcdermott calling this a defining moment in the nation's history when pfizer took on this challenge of creating a vaccine that it did. You have any doubts that we would get to this day. The speed is unprecedented. But i can assure you that the science that's gone into it. Be large scale clinical trial. The american public can be assured of high quality and effective vaccine. This is a massive undertaking every step of the distribution process crucial pfizer. Vaccines needs to be stored at extremely cold. Temperatures negative ninety four degrees fahrenheit workers donning two layers of protective gloves to handle the trays vaccine each holding. One hundred and ninety five precious vials wheeling the trays from freezer farms. On those blue cards cooled withdrawing ice the packing stage a carefully choreographed assembly. Line the trays into boxes. Each can transport nine hundred and seventy five files. The smoke you see from the dry ice more added at every. Step the boxes stacked on these pallets move by forklift onto trucks waiting to take them to the airport. These first doses destined for healthcare workers on the frontlines nursing home residents and staff. We are not done until every american has to the vaccine to every american that wants it. Receives it all right. Alex perez joins us now from outside the five or plant near kalamazoo. Alex hospitals will be giving the vaccine to their staff. I how will the vaccine get to the nursing home residents who are also first in line to receive doses. Each state has their own rollout plan. But we know many nursing homes have partnered with pharmacies like cvs and walgreens to help them distribute the vaccine. They'll be setting up inoculation centers inside their nursing homes to get those high risk residents what they need tom. Alex perez witnessing that historic role out for us. Alex thank you. The first shipments of the pfizer vaccine are expected to arrive at one hundred forty five sites by tomorrow every movement of every vile being tracked with. Gps the temperature of every box must be maintained drivers and pilots well aware of the historic cargo in their care. Abc's ken does in louisville tonight. The nationwide maxine relay is underway. They were it is that ups plane is taking off for michigan right now. It is empty but when it returns he'll be carrying the first shipment of the covid nineteen vaccine the faa giving these flights priority for takeoff and landing. Just three hours later back from michigan. One luke completed the pilot for today's first flight. Ups vice president cut in houston meals. We know that this pandemic is just been fatiguing for everyone and is has such a dramatic impact on so many families so knowing that distract seeing really is going to make a difference knowing that is this moment of hope and change and everybody's been longing for. Ups rival turned team through operation warp. Speed bets on the move to their plane. Touching down at the world's hub in memphis every shipment is equipped with high-tech tracking devices. Some capable of reading temperature tonight both fedex and ups are sorting through each arriving shipment deliveries to final destinations. Won't happen until tomorrow at monday would be a better first day for the launch. Because it's a regular business day so you could ensure that all the administration sites were fully staff and all of them are open. Things will only ramp up from here on monday. One hundred and forty five locations across the country are set to receive shipments of the vaccine on tuesday. That is more than four hundred. Today's just the beginning. Victory kendall right there on the supply. Line tonight victor. Thank you the first of millions of vaccinations just hours away. Cdc director robert redfield today signing off on recommending the pfizer vaccine for people sixteen and hospitals performing trial runs new york frontline workers lining up tomorrow to receive their shots a nursing houston will be among the first in line their. Abc's heart tongue is in houston tonight tonight. Hospitals in all fifty states preparing for the most precious cargo to arrive in just hours. We're about to make history. Every healthcare worker has been waiting for this moment. Memorial hermann the largest health system in houston doing dry runs with ultra-cold freezers in new york north. Well health setting up nine centers to begin vaccinating. It's fifty six thousand frontline workers as early as tomorrow and in chicago rush university hospital. Transforming its lobby into mass vaccination bays. I don't think we've ever done this at this pace ever before for hospitals. It's a monumental task. Every second counts was out of its shipping container. Within ninety seconds the vaccine needs to be moved into those special freezers or put into a standard refrigerator to thaw where it can stay for up to five days out of the refrigerator of violence quickly diluted into five doses that must be injected within two hours or it spoils. How precious are those moments. Once that shipment arrives every dose is liquid gold because it were handling it at such scrutiny back in texas. Icu nursing director -til riley will be among the first to receive the vaccine. We first met riley in june. And this emotional interview with tom. And when they don't survive you know knowing that we did everything we possibly could to restore their okay. You're gonna be crying talk. This is the hardest part of a hosted. I'm sorry because now ready to roll up her sleeve knowing that we can get this vaccine is kind of like an outlet for us. I think overall it gives us hope again so great to hear nurse riley one of our many break frontline heroes. Kelly hartson from houston kaley. We know healthcare workers like riley nursing. Home residents will get the shots. I but what about the rest of americans. Well tom officials haven't yet recommended. Who's next in line. It's up to the states to decide that but officials say most americans can expect to be able to get the vaccine by late spring early summer. Tom or kayleigh. Thank you for that amid the hope. The inescapable heartache. The first vaccinations coming with the us poised to top three hundred thousand cova deaths nationwide deaths at new cases hitting record numbers hospital. Icu running out of room and now new york city just hours away from new restrictions. Here's abc's traveled tonight. America in the grips of the pandemic now suffering the thanksgiving search adding more than a million new infections in just four days officials pleading with people to stay apart as the nation nears. Three hundred thousand lives lost. The next number of weeks are going to be held. I fear so we're begging people to please please please. Don't let your guard down even when you're in private california cancer survivor. Zana cooper tested positive. After having thanksgiving with her son's girlfriend's family not knowing person there had just traveled to florida and felt sick. Just takes one person now. That is irresponsible off in a trip and friends back to africa. Zana's now part of a devastating wave in california. The state shattering records with more than thirty thousand cases each of the past three days. A we're on a very dangerous track to seeing unprecedented catastrophic suffering and death right now. More than one hundred. Eight thousand americans hospitalized nationwide more than ever before. I'm tired exhausted emotionally drained. Now this the really takes coming out of the deadliest week of the pandemic so far the us losing nearly a hundred americans to the virus every hour in chicago the lopez family mourning the loss of their father and now their mother weeks apart my eight year old austin he keeps asking if he can ask santa to bring my dad back to it and now i have to tell him about my mom also sad. Trevor joins us now from new york city where a new ban on indoor dining starts tomorrow. Trevor there are growing calls to give struggling restaurant owners some financial help. That's right tom. Especially as the governor's own data says restaurants and bars account for less than two percent of the viral spread meanwhile household and social gatherings like holiday parties. That officials are so worried about account for seventy three percent. Tom trevor all for us tonight. Trevor thank you and a quick programming note. A special edition of twenty twenty the shot the race for the vaccine airs. Tomorrow at ten pm right here on. Abc we move on to another history making moment the electoral college tomorrow officially cemented victory after losing dozens of legal challenges president trump now lashing out at the supreme court trump supporters. Take to the streets. Here's abc's white house correspondent. Rachel scott tonight. President trump blasting the supreme court for throwing out his latest bid to overturn the election. I am so disappointed in them. No judge including the supreme court of the united sates has had the courage to allow to be hurt thousands of his supporters flooding. The capital cheering as marine. One flew overhead demonstrations turning violent at least four people stabbed more than thirty arrested. The president defiant tweeting. We have just begun to fight but in reality. He's lost nearly fifty cases in federal and state. Courts this wisconsin state justice outraged. And what you want. Is you want us to return the selection so that your king can stay in power many top. Gop leaders are still in lockstep with the president and one hundred and twenty six house. Republicans supported that field law suit in the supreme court to throw out millions of votes. But we're tiring republican senator lamar alexander telling the president ahead of tomorrow's electoral college vote. It's time to accept defeat. It looks very much like the electric will vote for joe biden and when they do hope that he puts the country. First okay rachel. Scott joins us now. Rachel turn to some other news. There are new reports tonight that senior government officials will be among the first to receive the corona virus vaccine including white house. Staffers that's right top but the timing. All of this is really unclear tonight. We do not know how many officials will be vaccinated or when but the white house is confirming that senior officials across all three branches of government will be receiving those vaccines advisors to the. Cdc have long recommended that healthcare workers and the elderly should be first in line. And then everybody else that does not fall into that category. Should have to wait tom. Rachel scott with those new reports out tonight. Rachel thank you sticking in washington. There's also news. Cyber attack targeting the us treasury and commerce departments commerce department telling abc news their systems were breached possibly by foreign hackers no word on what was accessed homeland security in the fbi. Now investigating next tonight. Winter storms expected to deliver a one two punch this week. Snow now moving from colorado to the east coast up to a half a foot of snow covering roads in tulsa oklahoma. A major storm right behind this one. Let's get right to abc's senior meteorologist. Rob marciano rob is going to be a busy week. The impactful storms thompson. Let's get right to the first one. It's now centered just over louisiana bringing heavy into that area and arkansas that sliver of snow getting out of oklahoma and we'll be going across the ohio valley. These are both moving pretty quickly. And by tomorrow afternoon we'll should be into the northeast and mid atlantic mostly rain one to two inches of wet snow. Inland that's not the big player. The big player comes in wednesday afternoon into wednesday night and thursday where we could see heavy snow inland of i ninety five the mid atlantic katina's well a winter mix here a messy one along the coast. Tom rob thank you for that. There is much more ahead of world news tonight this sunday. The deadly cathedral shootout a suspect opening fire s. Christmas carolers gathered outside police. 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Better help counselor. Better help is an affordable option and our listeners. Get ten percent off your first month with the discount code w time get started at better h e l p dot com slash w and t back with news of that star college basketball player collapsing on the court. We want to warn you. The video may be difficult to watch. Here's abc's elwin lopez. Tonight the college basketball community after this disturbing moment florida gators stark yonge johnson collapsing. During the game it happens moments after the. Sec preseason player of the year scored on this allieu earned his team coming out of time out saturday against rival florida state when the twenty one year old fell unconscious teammates visibly upset. We've had a heartbreaking situation here. You see this. Florida team in tears. They gathered to say a prayer on the court. The reason for his collapse is unknown but over the summer the florida standout like most on his team tested positive for covid. Nineteen the sec. Mandates strict protocols including rigorous heart testing before players are clear to return falling positive covid nineteen tests. Well wishes pouring in on social media his head coach. Mike white who stayed by johnson side overnight tweeting quote. Please keep praying. We all love him. Before johnson's collapsed he managed to score five points in four minutes. But thomas scary moments for everyone there. We're wishing him well tonight. Tom full recovery right. Ellen thank you. We start the next some breaking news tonight. A shootout outside of new york city's cathedral of saint john the divine new images showing the suspect armed with two guns on the cathedral steps. Police say he fired shots into the air during a christmas concert officers than shooting and killing the suspect. No other injuries reported and the dramatic at las vegas airport. Take a look at this video. From inside and alaska airlines flight shows a man walking on the wing of a plane. The man identified as forty one year. Old alejandro carlson allegedly jumped the fence and climbed onto the aircraft eventually fell onto the tarmac and was later arrested finally tonight the students with virtual surprise sparking a trend an interesting then it would have the video on when college of new jersey statistics. Professor adam schrager logged on for the last time this semester. He was met with blank screens from all twenty nine of his students. I log in right at six o'clock and every camera was off. at first. He thought he was having internet issues. But then his screen lights up now with faces but with signs that say thank you within twenty four hours that video posted on tiktok and now getting almost two million likes part of a movement by students to surprise their professors with. Thank you in california. Is it my fault that you have your cameras off this professor at chapman university on you guys. You're gonna make me cry. Moved to tears by the gesture and at abilene christian university in texas. When you guys are. It's a moment resonating with teachers across the globe. Is that a thing or was that just for me. I need you guys. Actually you might night no final. Everybody got some hundred on act of kindness this teacher twenty years. Who never forget. Thanks guys and a big thanks to all the educators from national geographic comes traffic with marianna then zeller wednesdays at nine eight central on national geographic investigative journalist van zeiler dives into the most dangerous black markets on the planet from tiger traffickers and international scammers to counterfeiters gun runners to give inside access into the world's trillion dollar shadow economy after each episode. Check out the traffic podcast with marianne zeller available. Wherever you listen to podcasts.
Midnight Train To The Senate
"It's tuesday november seventeen. I'm and i'm getting interesting. And this is what a day will. We're finally getting over. Not being featured on obama's playlist. Like i definitely think that we could have been featured right between sir duke by stevie wonder and lose yourself by him but fine. Those are the energies that we bring. I think writings middle middle pocket. There zeh show what to know about the candidates running in georgia's runoff then some headlines but first the latest you spoke about the need to access the outgoing administrations kovic vaccine distribution plans. What do you see as the biggest threat to your transition right now. Given president trump's unprecedented attempt to obstruct and delay a smooth transfer of power. More people may die. If we don't coordinate. Look as my chief of staff. Ron claim would say handleable vaccines import of little use until you're vaccinated. So how do we get the vaccine. How do we get over. Three hundred million americans vaccinated. That was president. Elect joe biden talking about the challenges involved in vaccine distribution as well as the trump administration's lack of cooperation with his transition team at the moment. The upcoming months are likely to be devastating in terms of the pandemic but there was another piece of very good news yesterday on vaccine development. That is right. So madonna and that an initial analysis of its vaccine found. It was ninety. Four point five percent effective which is amazing. This comes a week. After pfizer's initial announcement of their own vaccine said in its trials which involved giving people v vaccine and others a saltwater placebo ninety five participants had contracted covid nineteen with five of them being people who were vaccinated and the other ninety being those who got that placebo. They also said that there were eleven severe cases which were all in the placebo group. Now it's a good sign. If none of the vaccine people got severe covid here overall they had thirty thousand people enrolled by the end of october. According to the new york times they ended up with thirty seven percent enrollment from communities of color and forty two percent from high risk populations. That's due to age or other health factors as was the case with pfizer. The fact that the pandemic is so fundamentally out of control in the united states seem to speed trial process along. Madonna has said that they want to complete the trial before applying for authorization from the fda in now they're ceo is actually saying that could happen in the next seven to ten days which is nuts and that raises the prospect that there could maybe be to vaccines cleared for use on a limited basis by the end of the year. It is a shoe christmas miracle and we know that with both of these companies. The information came out and press releases of interim analyses which means we're not seeing all the data and they're still more data to collect so it's not entirely conclusive yet. Yeah for sure. I mean the other piece of potential good news though again is if these numbers hold is the way in which both these vaccines restructured. So modern adviser relied on a new way to build vaccines out of what's called messenger or a. I am not a scientific person. But i understand it to mean that genetic material that is basically instructing the body on how to defend against the coronavirus. Say that's a positive sign for other vaccine vaccines that rely on similar technology. And this new tech if you will could be vital in creating vaccines for other infectious diseases beyond the questions. Though about whether the effectiveness is going to change as this study goes on there are other things. researchers are still curious about. How long will the immunity from maderna's vaccine and others last is it as effective across all age groups. And if you don't have symptoms. Does it actually help decrease infectiousness. Well one of the things people were talking about in regards to pfizer vaccine is the challenge of keeping it cold for storage and transportation. What's the word. I'm maderna's vaccine when it comes to that so as i understand it maderna's vaccine is also going to need to be stored in cold temperatures but something like negative four degrees fahrenheit versus negative. Ninety four for visor. Quite a big difference but madonna is also seeming to try to get the upper hand on by saying that they're researchers found. That vaccine can have a shelf life in a normal raider for up to a month and for twelve hours in room temperature. And that led some experts that maderna's vaccine could actually end up being the one better suited for pharmacies. Doctors offices even potentially more rural areas in the country where logistics are more challenging. All right so let's say everything goes well here. Most of these vaccines could get authorized in the coming weeks or so. How many doses do we really expect by the end of the year. Yes so madonna has been saying that they can produce twenty million doses by the end of the year advisor has the deal with the us for another twenty or so million because both vaccines would require two doses. Though that comes out to about twenty million people in the us that would be able to get vaccinated by the end of the year. It's possible then that younger healthier adults could start getting vaccines around next april which still would be a remarkable and truly truly welcome achievement. So we'll stay on top of all that of course but in other news we have been talking quite a bit lately about the two senate runoffs in georgia so we thought it would be a good idea to discuss the candidates and the actual races in a little more detail. There's kelly loftier versus raphael warnock. David purdue versus jon ossoff. So let's start with this laughlin. Warnock grace all right so kelly. Leffler is the republican incumbent. Our listeners will probably remember her for selling off millions of dollars in stock after a closed-door senate briefing about front of ours back january law said she was unaware of the trades and she under win an ethics investigation which found that she didn't break any senate rules interesting. But there was a outcry that she promised to divest from all of her individual stock holdings which good senate rules should be stricter. This was obviously a major issue for her. In this race was actually the first time she was facing voters since she was appointed to hurston senate seat after the previous george. Senator retired last year. If this show was logger. I would tell you even more horrendous shit about lafler. We didn't even get into her whole yellow face ad but lastly just to give you a sense of her politics. She's a trumpy often talks about her. One hundred percent voting record with the president that extends to his current delusion about the election so she and purdue have both back. Trump's refusal to concede and baselessly claimed that there were election failures in georgia which undermines republicans in the state who actually ran the election. That's right yeah. And there are some republicans now chattering about the fact that all of this in fighting back and forth with trump also being added governor camp and others the state is messing things up for them and not letting them have a focused message against the democrats. I love it. And speaking of which yesterday georgia's secretary of state. Brad raffin burger. Who's overseeing the hand recount in the state. When on the record with the washington. Post to say that senator lindsey graham and other republicans have been pressuring him to question. The validity of legal. Votes in one instance. He says graham asked him whether he had the power to throw out. All mail ballots encounters with higher rates of non matching signatures which just crime in public now. Yeah i mean it's sort of like imagine the senator from new york senator schumer calling the secretary of state in texas and being like. Hey man. is it cool if we just toss these ballots like that's how much different is that anyway. Let's talk about democrat raphael warnock. Who's running against loftier. He actually got more votes than her november third but that was partly because republicans split their vote between law flair and another republican in that race historically to this is what runoffs have been designed for potentially deluding the black vote after a general election. So a win on its own is just not enough right. And a little background on warnock. He's originally from georgia. He grew up in public housing. He became a pastor at atlanta's historic ebenezer. Baptist church which you probably know as martin luther king's church He also chaired the new georgia project. One of the grassroots organizations that worked to register new voters and flip. The state blew this year. We're not is a major advocate for medicaid expansion as well as protecting voting rights. We also know from his campaign ads that he likes dogs and dogs like him right back anyways laughlin and do are now attacking weren't often ossoff and saying that if they win a democratic senate would pave the way for socialism which is kind of an awkward message though since laughlin and purdue are also claiming that trump could still win the presidency so following their logic. It's confusing why. The senate needs to be the last line of defense at all. Yes exactly why there are some people in the party. Getting a little bit annoyed here. So let's talk quickly about the purdue also freeze purdue's been in office since two thousand fourteen before that he was the ceo of dollar general. Our listeners might remember him as the asshole who thought it would be fun to mispronounce kamla name at a trump rally in october. He backs trump's mishandling of the pandemic is still out on climate change and has voted to repeal the aca like law flare. He also bought and sold a bunch of stock before the market crash due to the pandemic this year but was also cleared by a senate investigation. super interesting for us off. This is his second big. George election in two thousand seventeen. He lost a special election. Runoff georgia's sixth house district which is traditionally read atlanta suburban district. That race came just after trump had won. The presidency was the most expensive house race in history and also came within just a few percentage out the republican but ultimately just couldn't snag the seat in two thousand eighteen though democrat. Lucy macbeth one the district on a message of gun control. Yes so lots of money is also expected to flow into these runoffs and a lot of attention and organizing with it and it seems like republicans want to not piss off the trump voters which kind of inherently nationalizes it and then some democrats are nervous. That too much money and attention also nationalizes it in a way. That may not be helpful. No one really knows what's going to happen here. But what do we know about how this is going so far all right well. We know a lot of grassroots organizing still taking place in georgia so with biden winning the state it's been super encouraging groups like fair fight action new georgia project and black voters matter fund that they've been working for years to register in engage new voters and they're working to keep up the momentum. You know turn people out and even get people who are just turning eighteen years old to vote. According to estimates there are over twenty thousand seventeen year olds will become eligible in time for the runoff. Which could make a difference. Considering biden won the state by around fourteen thousand votes plus or minus you know depending on the final recount. So we've put a link in our show notes about how to support organizers on the ground in georgia we'll dive into more in the coming days and weeks but that's the latest for now her it's tuesday wad squad and today we're talking about. Tv shows coming back again. A fresh prince of bel-air union comes out on. Hbo max this thursday and it looks good. Here's a clip. There will always be a piece of all of us in that liberty our show excellent to keep all the excellence was the way that we love each other. I couldn't celebrate thirty years of rush. Press without cannon. So janet that will smith is referencing. There is janet hubert the first actress to play an move who was recast. After three seasons reunion will feature both at which is what. I call movie magic of giddy. We've had a lot of s reboots and reunions year. What ninety sitcom reunions do. You still wanna see. Did they do a seinfeld one. They did right. They did like a sort of. I don't know. I mean that's probably like the easy answer right like i do. Those people are all still basically around. I don't really know is is richard's like kind of persona non grata at this point. Who's 'em like i. I'm assuming that richards is a person from the show dot com. He's played kramer guy. Yeah that guy sucks louis. Ck obviously they wouldn't invite to come back right. That's i yeah. I i think like. He's he's basically out of the mix but that that would be fun. You know like a post pandemic return to the diner etc. We get some new york stuff going on. Jail is still is even more in her prime now so that would be. That's a complaint. Saint question view akilah. What ninety sitcom or are you thinking about in my initial feeling is like family matters. Obviously you know. Got to check in ercole. We got to see scott. Laura you know. Check out the whole family talk about. Maybe if carl has some regret speaking up to twenty but if not that as we were talking i'm like i know this isn't a sitcom but i would love for there to be like a power rangers reunion wanna know what's up on unfortunately with mighty morphin there are also some cast members. That are no longer with us. namely tree near the ranger. But i think that. Like i wanna hear about what they're up to like do after that. Also i'm just curious general about berringer's like how do you prepare that that i don't know man also add their look is kind of a covert. Look you know it would translate pretty easily. They got helmets situations going on they could be in environments where the pandemic is not really a concern to them they fighting the pandemic as a unit. Just i love that. Well you know what just like. That'd be checked. Our temps stay safe. If you're a power ranger i hope. Sparks fly when you kicked covert in the face and we'll be back after some ads. 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The boy scouts filed for bankruptcy in february following a mountain of sex-abuse settlements and declining membership the size of the bankruptcy fund to compensate victims has not yet been determined but a group of survivors representing the victims. Say that the tragedy had unprecedented numbers so the remedy should be unprecedented as well. Wow he can't say they didn't try voters in four states who sued to disrupt biden's win all dropped their cases yesterday the cases involved voters in georgia wisconsin michigan and pennsylvania who followed trump's lead by alleging voter fraud because people voted by mail but even their own lawsuits admitted that they didn't have evidence of fraud and could only claim that quote experts would eventually reveal illegal votes by the way those experts are all models pro skateboarders and the voters are dating them but it makes sense. You don't know about them because they're you know from a different school. Anyway representing the voters all decided to dismiss their cases yesterday. Three days after an appeals court. Shut down one legal path they hope to pursue all the seats were backed by the firm conservative attorney. James bob junior real lawyer not a character from a cheese game who you hit with a mallet to score tickets. All of this follows the dismissal of nine similar cases last friday and seven trump campaign lawsuits in arizona and pennsylvania. Good timing because at some point it must stop being funny for the judges and become kinda sad. Yeah they are all crying into their roads. As trump prepares to leave office ramping up attacks on one of his former enemies. The gorgeous green planet where we all live great so today. The trump administration is asking oil and gas companies to identify areas. Where they want to drill in alaska. National wildlife refuge a one point six million acre coastal plains. That's home to caribou polar bears and foxes. This action could give the company's enough time to buy drilling rights before biden takes office. Though it'll be tight this is exactly why type a climate terrorists know how to plan ahead. Folks biden said he would oppose drilling in the arctic. National wildlife refuge approved in two thousand seventeen in which one think tank said could release four point three billion metric tons of carbon dioxide. Once the oil has been extracted. Good god in fact drilling in the arctic is so unpopular that major banks j. p. morgan chase goldman sachs say. They won't finance projects there to which i say banks. You're my best friends now. But i hear you've done one thing that's bad you can seriously get lost one. Environmental advocate said biden's administration may be able to void lisa's. If they're not finalized before biden takes office so let's hope in these next nine weeks government doesn't become suddenly fast. This is just the most evil on its face. They've ever heard well. One small step for man one giant step for vacation nasa carried out its first truly commercial launch this weekend sending four astronauts to the international space station on a capsule built by spacex earlier this year a space x ship took two astronauts the iss but that was considered a test flight. Sunday's mission was the real deal and it symbolizes that american space travel has shifted into the private sector where wealthy tourists who are tired of paris can finally visit moon peres which is a big crater with a little bit of ice. The astronauts aboard. Sunday's flight doc. On the s last night among them was victor glover who will be the first black astronaut serve as a long-term crew member on the iss. Honestly it's about damn space time more the station. The astronauts will rent experiments including growing radishes. Which i'm guessing is just something they just got into in quarantine and find really relaxed looking ahead to next year. 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Most Secure Election, Local Vaccine Plans & Super Bowl Halftime Show- Friday, November 13th, 2020
"Today is friday november thirteenth. What to know about president. Trump's latest allegations of voter fraud has his own administration cybersecurity. Experts call the presidential election. The most secure in us history also health departments around the country are prepping vaccination plans. We'll tell you what to expect. Plus another historic rocket. Launch from spacex a throwback video game is making a comeback in which popstar was headlining the next super bowl halftime show welcome. Welcome to the newsworthy. All the day's news in around ten minutes fast fair fun and on the go. I'm erica. mandy. Thanks so much for being here. You're ready let's do. The top government officials came together to say they found no evidence of compromised or altered votes in the two thousand twenty presidential election in fact a coalition called it the most secure election in american history high official at the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. Or say which is part of the department of homeland security leads the group that put out the statement along with several other top federal and state election officials. They said quote while we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process. We can assure you we have the confidence in the security and integrity of our elections. And you should too. They sighted people records of each vote in states with close results pre election testing certification of voting equipment. And more yes. The statement comes from cybersecurity experts within the trump administration. But they're take definitely differs from president. Trump's remember he's pursuing lawsuits in several swing states accusing them allowing voter fraud to push his opponent. Joe biden to a win by the way. There's new data showing just how historic this election. Really was the washington post reports. More americans cast ballots this year than they have in any election. Over the last century we reported last week the vote was on track to hit that number and now it seems it's official an all. The votes are counted yet. So far it like about sixty four percent of eligible voters cast a ballot in last week's election and in the swing states of minnesota and wisconsin. The turnout comes close to eighty percent when all is said and done election officials say they expect this year's turnout percentage to be the highest since the election of one thousand nine hundred. President trump won an election challenge in pennsylvania court but it won't have much of an impact on the presidential race at this point biden is still considered the winner of the state. This lawsuit was over ballots. That were submitted on time but needed voters proof of id before being certified. Normally voters have until november ninth to fix idea related problems. The pennsylvania secretary of state push that deadline back a few days. The trump campaign says she didn't have the power to do that and yesterday. A judge agreed so any ballots. That were not ready to go. Ideal by november ninth will get tossed but again. Those ballots had already been set aside. They had not been counted when major news organizations called pennsylvania for biden and they still have not been counted today still. The trump campaign is celebrating. The court win with one lawyer saying it proves the pennsylvania secretary of state plays fast and loose with deadlines and that could come up again since the trump campaign has more legal challenges pending in the state today. Trump's lawyers have a hearing over. Thousands of ballots were improperly counted on twitter. President trump has mentioned more than once that thousands of votes were stolen from him in pennsylvania michigan and other states for example. He claims certain election technology software deleted or switched votes to count for biden. Some pundits like fox. News is sean. Hannity are also reporting these claims but organizations such as edison research politifact the associated press new york times. And the say that we mentioned earlier are all saying. These claims just are not true. An expert at a nonpartisan nonprofit that studies voting infrastructure told the ap a small handful of issues were a result of human error not software and still. Those issues would not impact the election results. Of course we'll let you know about any new evidence if it comes out several more. Republican senators are now pushing for president elect biden to get access. He needs to be prepared to run the country. The wall street journal says reporters spoke to some key trump allies about this like senator. Chuck grassley lindsey graham and marco rubio to name a few now most of them still said trump is right to challenge election results in court but they also said the biden transition team should get white house. Resources like access to classified briefings and federal funding separately more than one hundred and sixty former senior intelligence military and diplomatic officials who worked for both democratic and republican presidents sent a letter to the trump administration in it. They asked the white house to designate. Bite in the winter so everyone can move forward with the transition. In that group cited national security concerns as a reason remember biden says he will be moving forward with a transition with or without that added access to be continued new covid. Nineteen cases are on the rise in forty six out of fifty states and overall the us breaking records almost every day so in response several cities and states around the country are imposing tougher restrictions. Some of the strictest measures are now in chicago. The city's mayor issued a thirty day. Stay at home advisory. She's asking people to only leave home for work school and essentials and she says people should even avoid gathering with trusted friends and family outside of their own household. New york's governor had a similar message earlier this week and he abandoned all. Indoor gatherings of ten people or more new measures were also introduced this week in maryland. Minnesota iowa utah. new jersey and more others are threatening. Shutdowns don't improve soon. Us is gearing up for the biggest vaccination effort in american history remember the first doses a possible covid. Nineteen vaccine could be available as soon as next month. Although that first batch would only go to the high risk groups like healthcare workers so in places like philadelphia. The health department has started counting. How many healthcare workers and others will be first in line in. Louisiana officials have been playing out different scenarios for example. They ask if we get ten thousand doses. What are we going to do versus one. Hundred thousand doses. The says similar preparations are happening on a federal level. As well and the cdc is working on a vaccine finder website to help people find doses in their area. State officials are also preparing systems to track supplies an patients. It's a little tricky. Because most of the leading vaccine candidates come into doses need to be given three to four weeks apart so pharmacies doctors offices and healthcare systems will need to be able to look up shot records one more hurdle for state health departments making sure doctors offices and pharmacies have the storage capacity. The pfizer vaccine for example needs to be kept at negative ninety four degrees fahrenheit so public health groups have said around the country an extra point. Four billion dollars is needed for staff. Data systems and supply costs. Congress is still working on the next round coronavirus economic relief. But it's not clear vaccine perhaps are part of that discussion. Stay to all right. We have more news coming up but first a quick break because this episode is brought to you by hellofresh. Hellofresh is america's number one meal kit and it really does make home cooking. Easy and affordable hellofresh cuts out stressful meal planning and grocery store trips. You can get dinner on the table in just about thirty minutes. And the meals are fantastic. Hellofresh delivers fresh high-quality pre portioned ingredients. You can make meals. That are delicious and nutritious. In fact more than ninety percent of ingredients are sourced directly from growers to ensure peak flavor and ripeness. I'm always impressed with seasonal recipes and the flavor of the meal. I recently made italian garden. Veggie soup with kale pearled. Couscous and garlic bread. It would not be something my husband would typically go for but we both loved it. 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This is only the company's second crude launch ever remember it's i was back in may with two astronauts on board and that was the first time a private space company had ever launched humans into space and the first time nasa astronauts launched from us soil since twenty eleven that may launch was more of a test flight tomorrow's launch as part of an official mission to the international space station and it'll help set in motion routine trips to the iss. Three nasa astronauts will be on board. A japanese astronaut is joining the journey as well. The all spend six months aboard the doing research for now. Tomorrow's launch is set for seven forty nine pm eastern as long as the weather cooperates either way nasa and spacex are hoping for the best tomorrow and the preparing to stream the launch live. Nintendo is going old school starting today. The video game maker is re releasing the first handheld gaming device. It ever made game and watch. It was sold throughout the eighties back then. Users could play one or two simple games on it and it also doubled as a clock the name game and watch nintendo says it's bringing back a new modernized version of it to celebrate the thirty fifth anniversary of the iconic franchise super mario brothers the new game and watch is supposed to be a simple as it was before except it'll have a full color. Lcd and you can charge it with a usb cable beyond say. The fitness company peleton. The singer is working with the brand to create a series of workouts. People can stream online. Her music and style will be featured in exercises like cycling running strength training bootcamp yoga and more. Cnn says the first beyond say themed workout classes live now and more will be rolling out in the coming weeks on top of that students. At ten historically black colleges and universities will get free to your digital memberships. They just have to sign up by the end of november. We know the star of next year super bowl halftime show and it is the singer the weekend. The weekend is most known for songs. Like blinding lights starboy and can't feel my face and he's already won three grammy awards but this will definitely be a huge moment for the singer. The weekend says he's humbled honored and ecstatic for this opportunity. Super bowl fifty five is set for february seventh in tampa florida. Tomorrow is to walli also known as the hindu festival of lights. The holiday is celebrated by more than a billion people around the world. It started as a religious celebration but usa. Today says these days indians of all face recognized. Wally to commemorate the holiday people like candles firecrackers and clay lamps to signify the triumph of light over darkness. Or good over. Evil people usually gather for festivities too. But don't expect to see many large celebrations this year because of covid nineteen. 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What it will take to distribute the vaccine
"Support for this episode comes from lara. A pioneer in sales tax automation since two thousand and four avalanche has been providing cloud based sales tax solutions for businesses of all sizes atalaya automatically integrates with more than seven hundred european and ecommerce systems like the systems. You use today find out how your business can save time. In reduce risk at avalon era dot com slash recode daily. That's va l. a. r. a. dot com slash recode. Daily valera tax compliance. Done right below. Kim vaccine is here well almost anyway on monday. The company moderna that they were applying to the food and drug administration the fda for an emergency use authorization for they are corona virus vaccine pfizer a moderna competitor requested its own authorization about a week before the secretary of health and human services. Alex as our says. Fda approval could come in early december. The race to find a vaccine is breaking all kinds of records. But once it's approved there's gonna be a new challenge. Are we prepared to distribute it recode. Cayo al is reporting this story. Hey rebecca hey so back in the spring right. There were all these problems we encounter about. Ppe i'm wondering if there are things we've learned from back then to not make the same mistake again. When it comes to distribute vaccine. Well one really important difference between the spring and now that we've had months to prepare for the potential distribution of a vaccine back in the spring. We didn't know there was a pandemic coming. We didn't know we would need a ninety five masks. We didn't know we need all these gloves and whatnot. And that was when cases were surging. Really really high right but you know. We've had months to prepare for this. I talked to one Ceo of a company that makes dry ice which is really important for several vaccines that we can talk about that in a second. Who said he's been working on the supply of carbon dioxide that he'll need for months. There has really been a large effort here to make sure that we're ready for this so theoretically more time should lead to more prep. The who knows these days. I mean you mentioned dry ice. Obviously we need to begin with. We need the actual vaccine right. Nothing is to be taken for granted. Some of these are going to have some pretty peculiar temperature requirements right. Yeah so the pfizer vaccine in particular which seems to be in the front of the line to be approved by the fda given what we know right now it has to be kept pretty cold. It has to be kept at negative seventy degrees celsius which is about negative Ninety four degrees fahrenheit. Yes so some healthcare facilities have the type of super cold freezers. That you need to keep this type of material cold or other types of medical purposes but in distributing a vaccine like this. You probably want a much larger infrastructure for keeping things cold since it's not just going to be a a few healthcare facilities. It's going to be a huge even. Cvs talking about playing. A role in distributing vaccine vaccine is slightly less. Cool correct right. The medina vaccine has to be kept cold not as cold but it can also be preserved longer when it's kept colder which adds another element to this whole desire to keep things really cold. And what about like the glassware for these vaccine. St- do we need or kind of syringes under thinking about the process of shooting. Something into your arm. How are we doing that. So the federal government has been preparing vaccine kits. That are supposed to go out with this at least this first round of vaccines that get approved in terms of glass. you know. there's corning the famous glass. Company has been on glass. That's meant for these cold temperatures but it every single element like this has to be really thought through one thing that came up in my reporting thus far is that it's not clear that all health care workers right ha have access to gloves the super cold resistant gloves that you need to actually work with stuff so everything needs to be thought through even though you know months have gone into preparing for this. Yeah i mean. Does this feel sort of doable. At this point we've had you know six to nine months to prep for everyone. I've spoken to. Thus far has an attitude of sort of cautious confidence. If that makes sense they feel like if everything goes right. This could work well but everything needs to go right and it seems like a lot of these suppliers are just waiting for the actual vaccine to be scaled up. That's the big. The big question is the actual vaccine but they wanna make sure that it's not there Dry ice that's holding things back. It's not there by their side of this holding things back and that's a big big challenge. Okay is let's say we've got the vaccines we've got the freezer technology. The dry ice. We've god the glass when we think about like the distribution of getting that stuff from point a. to point b. like tell me what the big challenges as you see it are assuming we've got the right like raw materials so to speak. One of the major concerns is that pfizer and madonna have both introduced vaccine candidates. That require two shots. So that means your initial vaccine and then essentially a booster shot but it's not like the booster shots. He might have had in the past that. Come years later from what you had. Your initial injection of a vaccine has to happen within just a few weeks of when you have your first vaccination and that's going to be a major logistics hurdle for anyone who's trying to distribute vaccine and make sure that the right first shots go to the right people on the right second shots go to the right people and you could imagine. I'm not sure if this is happening. Where you're based but you know every day. I walked past these lines for city. Md right for our lines to get a test for kobe Thinking about whether we're going to be able to manage the same type of task with vaccines making sure that someone who needs to get their second shot in a given time period shows up to the right place and actually gets it is going to be a major hurdle. Yeah i mean it seems like sort of a a particular doomsday scenario. Is you have all the right stuff. You even get it to the right place and then people don't wanna take it That makes me wonder like what happens to all the stuff if no one's taking it. Yeah it's a big concern. It's worth pfizer imagines that you know from the time that the vaccines are shipped from its locations to the point of injection basically. That's going to be a quick turnaround imagining that. Vaccines are going to be sitting around for weeks and weeks and weeks. It's you're gonna use it as quickly as possible but the big fear is that a vaccine could go two ways. Someone doesn't get the second dose when they need to get it and we lose valuable valuable vaccine rebecca. Aol following all things logistics and supply chain for us. Thanks for joining us. Kim remember when you rarely had to pay sales tax for stuff you bought on the internet well. The supreme court changed all that in twenty. Eighteen and businesses have been struggling to comply ever. 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When and How Youll Get a Vaccine
"From new york times. I'm michael barr. This is a daily a today now that multiple vaccines are making their way toward approval. What we know about the plan and timetable for distributing them. I spoke to my colleague. Science reporter katie. Thomas it's monday. November thirtieth. Can you tell me about this interview with the head of operation warp speed Joining us now. Is the chief scientific advisor for operation warp speed. Dr monsef slowly. Dr sila sunday. Dr myself slowly. Who's the head of the big federal effort to develop a vaccine when on cnn and was asked about where things stand. Wendy you expect. The first person will be vaccinated. Well our plan is to be able to ship vaccines to the immunization sites within twenty four hours from the proven so i would expect on the eleventh or on the twelfth of december hopefully The first people be moniz in the interview. He laid out a time line that i think would be pretty surprising to many americans seventy percent or so of the population being immunized with allow for true herd immunity to take place. He said that now based on his understanding of how the vaccines will be rolled out. And when the vaccines might be ready that is likely to happen somewhere in the month of may or something like that. Based on our plans some form of normal life might be able to return by may next year. I read about that katy the next morning. I think i saw it in a tweet. And i actually thought to myself. That can't be right. Someone got that wrong. And then i went to the cnn website. I looked at the transcript. Housing oh he actually said that. May that felt. Really only yeah. It is pretty remarkable that we could have a vaccine by then but a lot of things will have to go right and many many steps will have to fall into place but it's entirely possible. This could end up being correct. What does that gives him the confidence to make this very public declaration. Well it's based on how far along we are in the development process. We've already had really good results. From some of the companies pfizer madonna and astrazeneca and pfizer in particular has already submitted its application for emergency authorization with the fda and so now fda. Scientists are pouring over that data and evaluating whether they're going to okay it and there's even been a date set on december tenth for an outside panel of independent vaccine experts. Who are going to weigh in on it. And then the belief is that pretty shortly after that it could be authorized by the fda and from what dr slowly and the other warp speed officials have said. You know the vaccines could start rolling within twenty four hours of an authorization and when you say rolling. What exactly does that mean. I think everyone is extremely interested in the question of when and how the vaccines actually starred to reach all of us yet. So for the past several months even as these vaccines have been going through clinical trials. These officials that operation warp speed. Have kind of been gaming out how this is going to work and planning out with the state's exactly how it's going to be distributed and how they're going to get these vaccines in these vials from the factories to your local clinic. So what distribution plan have they come up with so just take pfizer for a second. Because they're the furthest along their vaccine needs to be kept extremely cold. It's gotta be kept it minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit. So they've designed this special shipping boxes that they say will build a keep their vaccines at this. Ultra cold temperature. And they hold nine hundred and seventy-five vials of vaccine and they have. Gps enabled thermal sensors that track the location and the temperature of each of these vaccine boxes as they're shipped across the country when the boxes arrived then the clinic or the hospital. They're going to have a couple of options they could just put it into an ultra cold. Freezer and a lot of hospitals are actually buying these freezers especially for this right now and if they'd put it in this freezer then they can store it there for up to six months. But if they don't have one of these freezers they can just take the vials out of this ultra cold shipping box and put it into a regular refrigerator essentially thaw out the vaccine and then those vaccines would have to be used within five days and then the last option is that they can keep the vials in these special boxes and those can be used as temporary storage as long as they keep. Refilling it with dry ice for up to fifteen days and how much vaccine is going to get shipped in this. First few weeks of mid-december well initially not nearly enough for everybody. The first week of shipment. The they've said we'll be about six point. Four million doses and remember fi. Zor is a does shot. That's given three weeks apart. So when we hear the number six point four we should assume that actually means doses enough for some three million people correct and then the government is saying that there should be about forty million doses of vaccines by the end of the year. Right which again. We shouldn't have to assume twenty million americans that's right so that's a very small percentage of the american population. So what are government officials telling you will be the kind of hierarchy for who gets it. And in what order these details they are still being worked out and you know states and the federal government and local officials are still trying to talking about this stuff but there is generally a broad consensus that the first group that will get them are doctors. Nurses other healthcare workers and then almost simultaneously with that. The other group is residents of long term care facilities like nursing homes and how many people is that. Katie doctors healthcare workers people in long term health centers. There's about twenty million healthcare workers and about three million people who live in long term care facilities So that would pretty much use up this entire first batch. Yes that's right okay. So let's presume that more and more vaccine keeps getting made who is next on the list so the next big group that's been widely discussed would be this big category. That's known as an essential worker and that's a very big group of people that's more than eighty million people in the us. So broadly think of these people as the people who do work that doesn't allow them to stay home social distance in order for them to do their job to kind of keep our world running they have to go into work and therefore expose themselves to covid nineteen meat packing plant workers people who work on utilities firefighters. Police officers even teachers. These are again the people that kind of keep our country running And is not a list that's written down somewhere. Decreed by the government is going to be covered flexible. Or we don't know yet. I don't think we've fully know yet. It's been kinda worked out as we speak. And i it. It may end up being something that is up to local authorities or so after a workers who comes next the other priority group that's been discussed is people who are over sixty five and people who have an underlying health condition that could be diabetes or heart condition again. This is a group of people and this is this becomes a very very large group of people but this is a group of people that there are a much higher risk of dying or become very very ill if they were to test positive for coronavirus this point and the math is a little bit hard to keep track of it. Sounds like we're talking about probably on the order of one hundred million plus people feel right yet. That's about right okay. So now we're pretty well into twenty twenty one right and so you know if all continues to go well and perhaps new vaccines are approved. The manufacturing plants are really working at top capacity and they're churning out millions and millions of doses start really vaccinating much bigger groups of the population. So kitty when are those of us who are under sixty five. Non essential workers not especially vulnerable through underlying conditions. When does that group of americans start to get the vaccine or remember the americans that fall into all of those groups. Say you just outlined. I mean that's a pretty big chunk of the general public. This time a lot of the country will have been able to have gotten a vaccine. But what dr slough. We had said remember. That may date is what they are saying their best. Guess for when people who don't fall into any of these risk groups you know when they will be able to get a vaccine if they want one and to explain a word that dr moosa flowery used in that interview with cnn which you'd mentioned katie. He said that may is the point. Around which enough. Americans will be immunized that herd immunity or something like it will be achieved. And i wonder if you could just remind us what that means and why it's important herd. Immunity means that enough people have themselves personally some form of immunity from the coronavirus. So that that they will now be able to pass it along to somebody else. And if enough people in the community have it then the virus really can't spread as readily as it has now. I will add one caveat to what dr slough he said and in some ways. I'm surprised he was able to make such a confidence statement about that. Because there's still a lot that we don't know about these vaccines and how they work and the vaccines were actually not testing on the question of whether once you get them you can actually still pass the virus along to someone else. The only thing that these clinical trials were testing was whether they prevented people from developing covid nineteen. Which of course is the disease that you develop after having been infected by the coronavirus so we really don't know yet whether even if vast section of the american public gets this if they still won't be able to pass the virus from person to person choosing. There's still a possibility. We don't know for sure that tens of millions of us will get this vaccine and we ourselves will probably not get sick because that's what the clinical trials have shown this vaccine prevents. But it's possible. We still might give the virus to somebody who is not vaccinated. That's right i. It's just it's a scientific question that hasn't been answered it back This podcast is supported by facebook. At least book we're taking action to keep our community safe we've tripled our safety and security teams built new privacy tools and invested billions to keep our platforms. See what's next. We support updated internet regulations. That set clear rules for addressing. Today's toughest challenges learn more at about dot f. b. dot com slash regulations. Hi i'm bianca gave her. I'm a on the daily one of the things. I love about audio is that there's an intimate quality to people's voices that you sometimes can't get in print you can hear people wonder out loud you can hear when they're questioning something you can be there with them. And when we hit the milestone of a million lives lost to corona virus around the world. We made an episode. There was a portrait of the grief. People were feeling to put a human face to the news. We talk to people in kenya in israel in turkey and china. I spent many many hours listening to them. Laugh and cry about the people they had lost. We wouldn't be able to make emotional episodes like this one or any of the daily without your support so if you can please subscribe to the new york times thank you so can you want to turn to a few logistical questions. Now that we understand the order of vaccination. How much will this vaccine cost. People who get it in this first phase it should be free of charge for everyone for everyone for all americans. Okay so basically. The government is subsidizing. This to the point where you would get the vaccine and it would cost you. Nothing that's right. They've essentially bought these vaccines on behalf of the american people. They have paid billions of dollars to these companies to buy hundreds of millions of vaccines. Okay and where will your average. American obtained the vaccine. I think we all have visions from too many movies that we have watched of camouflage military trucks and these vast tenths staffed by soldiers. And that's where you maybe get your vaccine or are we going to be going into our local walgreens and walmart pharmacies. It's a really good question and it's one that people have been curious about. But what's interesting is what the web speed officials have said as they really want this to- look as much as possible like your regular experience of getting a shot like getting your flu shot. You know. we're all familiar. We walk into a cvs and walgreens and we see signs everywhere that say. Get your flu shot here. You know what they're aiming to do is to be those same places that americans feel comfortable getting their immunizations. And why is that important to them. That's important to them because they want people to feel as comfortable as possible. Getting this vaccination remember this is first of all really scary pandemic and then second of all these are brand new vaccines that are really. Just fresh out of the clinical trials. So there's a lot of hesitancy in a lot of skepticism about these vaccines and they're trying to do everything they can to make people feel as comfortable as possible about taking them right so one solution to a vaccine hesitant society is to ask people to take it at a familiar place. A walgreens not a scary military ten. That's right there aren't going to be soldiers. You know walking up to your door knocking on your door and giving grandma's shot right. Hey now you're making it even scarier that i was willing to make it. Can you mentioned the flu vaccine. How much the government wants this all to look and feel like getting that. But that's a single does and we know that the covid nineteen vaccine in almost all cases is two doses and that feels inherently messier. So how does the government planning account for that. Yes this is going to be a very complex challenge and we're going to really have to see if all of our systems are up for it. But what the federal warp speed officials have said that they're doing is they're planning a centralized database that will keep track of which vaccine everyone received. What date they received on and then when they need to get their second dose and kinda the idea behind this. Is that no matter where you go. They can kind of keep track of of what you need. One example that's been thrown out is take snowbird and new york. Who gets there first dose saturday. Cvs on long island of the pfizer vaccine. Then they go down to their winter home in florida. They go into a different pharmacy and the pharmacy. There is able to look them up and know exactly what they are. Due for in which vaccine they should get but as we've seen before with government health systems and databases things don't always go as planned and authorized state and local officials have been warning that they don't have enough money to support this and so we're really going to have to see how this actually rolls out and with two shots. It feels like there is a real danger that a meaningful number of people kind of forget to go get the second show right. And my sense is that means that they are not fully immunized. That's right. I mean it's going to be a really big challenge. States have all kind of put in their plans for how they're going to do this and some of the states have also put in details about this. You know they're going to send people postcard reminders or text message alerts and so you know. Public health officials are are really trying to plan for how to prompt people to go back for that second dose but we all know that. This is a challenge right okay. This is a bit more of a curve ball question for you. What if americans decided to kind of picky and they say. I know that there are three or four or five vaccines out there. But i've read about vaccine ex. And i want that one. I don't want that other vaccine. Is that something people can do. Or are we going to be in a situation where you kind of get what you get. I think it's going to be you got what you get and you don't get upset victim you know. It's going to be an extremely scarce supply in the beginning. Is there any talk of mandating that people in any of the categories that we have been talking about must take the vaccine. I suspect that doctors have to take the vaccine to go to work. Perhaps that's can also be true of some essential workers but when it comes to regular americans some of whom as you just said are going to be pretty skeptical. They not take it. Is there talk of any requirement that they get the vaccine. No there's really no talk a mandatory vaccine. There may be as we move forward isolated cases of employers or even businesses that that might require that you have a vaccination you know for example an airline but really no one's talking about some sort of national vaccine mandate katie. What in your mind could still go terribly wrong here. I think there's a lot that could go wrong. The vaccines could not get approve. Some of the vaccines that are still in development could fail to work the distribution could break down. These shipping boxes might fail the database that we talked about could crash. There could be long lines for vaccination or or just a lot of confusion. This is a an extremely complex process and a huge project and as we've seen sadly so many times before there's any number of things that really could go wrong kitty. You have been immersed in this world of operation warp speed. The question of vaccines backseat distribution for around six months. Now i recall the first time we talked to you about this. The operation had just been created. And now here. We are at this point where vaccines are. Theoretically on the verge of approval this distribution system has been thought out and people are quite possibly going to be getting these doses in weeks and so. I wonder how you're feeling about all these developments. Yeah i'm feeling pretty optimistic. Which is a funny place. I'd met for a reporter to be because we tend to look for. You know all the things that might go wrong. I've spent this year writing about really dark stuff really terrible stories. But i'm starting to kind of picture scenes that make me feel just still a little bit better. You know. i'm thinking. For example of nursing homes the site of so much terrible suffering and death and you know if all goes well within the next couple of weeks we could start seeing people who live in these nursing homes getting vaccinated and maybe even by january. What if every single nursing home and every single resident who wanted one got a vaccine. That would be amazing. That would be amazing. And that's really just around the corner and even my in my own life. I think all of us this is continued on for so long. And it's been so tough that we've all kind of stopped allowing ourselves to really think about the future. And i have been kind of allowing myself to think about what would be do after the pandemic. When could my kids see their grandparents. When would that be safe. And honestly those are things that i i really haven't even almost allowed myself to plan for and i'm starting to think about that a little bit I'm guessing you haven't plane tickets. You're maybe looking at prices. I'm not even that far along. I'm just picturing in my head. My kids sing their grandparents and just being able to have. Those thoughts is itself a comfort to me. This is a weirdly hopeful moment. 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Peter Hotez: Winter is going to be a scary and difficult time
"It's lisa grey. This is corona virus. Chronicle i know we promised you that we're going to start a new podcast. Queue with lisa grey isn't ready yet. Yeah we're not ready to launch who've had numbers are going up and houston and they are getting really scary nationally. I wanted to hear from peter hotels. And i thought a lot of y'all did too for those of you who don't know who peter hotels is. He's about tiger by the corona virus. Expert you see on cnn and msnbc. He's houston's most visible expert on the coronavirus one of the things he told me is good news. He says we just have to get through the next few months. And that y'all as the bad news to we just have to get through the next few months. Peter xp here. The numbers are going up across the united states. And i know that you are not surprised. Well i think there's a few things going on both nationally and here in texas nationally. We've been talking for a long time about this falls winter surge and that's clearly starting to happen and tragically. Yeah last couple of days. We've broken records for new covid. Nineteen cases in a single day and it's really accelerating up in the northern midwest wisconsin especially The code is but also in the western states wyoming utah. So i think a lot of it is linked. Probably the colder weather. People are indoors and and there may be other factors as well. The virus survives really well in that environment so it could be that There people are exposed to larger inoculant of the viruses well terms of not only just number of cases but severity of cases. I predict so. I think we'll start seeing hospitalizations. Go up. I think the the one i was a bit surprised about is is paso and ano- along the border with mexico into new mexico so less cruces places like that. I'm not surprised that there's a lot of covert there. I'm just surprised now all times. I don't know quite what what's happened there. And what that means for the rest of texas in houston. The numbers are going up but not dramatically not nearly as badly as the rest of the country it may be because now the weather's getting nice people are outside so this is Last few days especially it's been really nice weather so i think people are not feeling trapped indoors so i i know the numbers will increase in texas accelerate. My secret hope is that it's not gonna be as bad as the rest of the country. But i just don't know that for certain and i'm worried about were these trends are heading. I'm there's no nothing holding back. The really sharp rise in most of the country especially in the northern state so i think it will go into the northeast as well right now. It's it's more of a fly over nation kind of problem by that. I mean not as bad in in new england and the mid atlantic states are in the west coast. But everything in between especially as you go into more northern latitudes really bad. But i think it's going to be across the whole country in the numbers are going to continue to increase in animus especially worried about some of the institute of health metrics and evaluation predictions where they're talking Looking at five. Hundred and eleven thousand deaths american deaths by february twenty eighth which is just a horrible number. Morethe doubling of what we have so. I think we're looking at a very unstable period that we're going into in this country. I think things will get better. We'll have vaccines by next year but In between now and then this could be one of the worst periods of our epidemic. And it's happening after everyone's exhausted already from what's been a horrible year so I'm i'm worried not on the about people's physical health and getting cove in nineteen but also their mental health and mental health and and getting sad and depressed which is a normal reaction to what's going to be an even more stressful situation and and and what that means also for the post-election period if it goes against the president is many are predicting worry about a a lame duck executive branch of the federal government where people are going to feel abandoned on the own in in how well the states are going to be able to respond. I think is a is a big unknown to think about. Yeah so it is a bit Apocalyptic unfortunately we will get better. Things will get better. I believe this certainly by this time next year our quality of life is going to be so much better because we you you know without a national response to covid nineteen basically the white house put all the eggs in the biotechnology basket. They basically said everything depends on Vaccines and monoclonal antibodies. And unfortunately that takes time right. It's not super quick fix so we will. By this time. Next year i think will have a significant percentage of the american population vaccinated. I i don't know how well these vaccines will work. I think we still will likely need. Contact tracing masks and social distancing but they'll be important companionship. Heck not technologies. Things will be a lot better but it's going to be slowly evolving process and it might even be better by the summer But so there are things to look forward to. It's a matter of getting through this very difficult period this winter. In in an i've been recommending to people to identify your group of people that you're going to social distance with for this winter try to minimize contact with with outside people outside your social distancing sphere and look after. Your men often have access to mental health. Counseling it's a sad time. I mean you know. I was hoping that we haven't seen our oldest adult daughter. Emily emmy in Whose research scientist ucla. The plan was she was going to drive here with her husband from los angeles. Because we didn't want her to fly. And you can't make that trip in one one run. You have to stay overnight in somewhere in new mexico. Where el paso and and is horrible there right now so basically had to cancel that idea. That was satin. I'm sorry compared to what other people are going through. It's small potatoes right but you know this is a sad time. We haven't seen our tools. The kids in since january right and and this is a not an unusual experience for the country in him that kind of isolation as consequences as well so getting through this winter period is going to be a very scary time in a difficult. Are you still feeling the kind of anti-science or says rising. Are you still getting the kind of feedback about antibac- very still hearing a lot from the anti vaccine groups has that changed at all or is it amping up. I think a few things have happened. I think the anti vaccine groups that have always been campaigning. Protesting on the Fake health freedom medical freedom platform have now exploited cove in nineteen to not only campaign against vaccines but now mass and contact tracing all under this. I call fake banner of medical freedom health freedom and it's really prominent here in texas and in oklahoma and unfortunately now it's been It's the the white house and the white house. Coronavirus taskforce rather than launching a national program for control of cove. Nineteen you know. I put forward that october last july. I put forward that maybe the last time we spoke before that october one plan for the country. Where we have brought things down in containment mode and if and if we had done that I think we could've kept the case. Count low enough to get us all the way through to the spring. When vaccines become available we could have saved tens of thousands maybe even hundreds of thousands of lives and in the white house wanted nothing to do with that with my plan and instead what they did. Was they paraded out this new individual doctor atlas. He went full-on anti-science. He you know he put up all of this sort of fake herd. Immunity numbers saying herd. Immunity could occur. Now you heard rampal twenty two percent which is ridiculous. That just does not true. And you know try to minimize the impact of the of of the virus and know really pushed hard on opening schools even in areas of of high transmission. And then they brought on. This great barrington document that The newspapers reporting are supported by the coke family and and So so what was sort of an anti science. Anti vaccine anti-science movement locally in places like texas and oklahoma now has become a national anti-science movement and then it's now we're now exporting it so in In the last couple of months in berlin and paris in london trafalgar square there now anti vaccine anti mask protests in european capitals and the newspapers are reporting a cbs news outlets reporting that it's being supported by cunanan Cunanan europe which. I think i think is new and then even neo nazi groups. So it's taken this very this anti-science movement that was born out of the the health. Freedom component out of texas of all places is now a full on globalized escalating anti-science movement and has having deadly consequences. Now not only the us but in europe as well and i. I don't know where that's heading off. But i've been writing and speaking about quite a bit. I think we're going to have to really look at this as the security homeland security threat than it is and address accordingly. What else is on your mind these days. What should houston be thinking about. What are your thanksgiving plans. thanksgiving plans will be pretty modest In the past we always got our deep fried turkey out of bb's and the. I'm still hoping we'll do that. Except it's just with me and And my special needs adult daughter. Rachel are hoping to see our son. Dan works in the oil and gas industry and his girlfriend and trying to figure out. How do that 'cause because they're in the workplace. It's tough for them to social distance. Do we just maybe just do everything outside. And maybe that would be. You know safely social distancing and and just throw carved up. Bb's deep fried turkey at each other and hope. It's the play against turkey tiger. I guess we'll be looking at something along those lines and again i i can't complain. We're we're safe. Were were scaling up. Production of vaccine now in india. Making a billion doses. They'll start start clinical testing soon some Myself and my science partner. For twenty years dr maryland touchy were day and night on calls with india and also other parts of asia. Latin america to get that vaccine out to the world starting clinical trials so that vaccine will not require the kind of cold storage that some of the less stable. Vaccines require well. It won't require it'll require what's called a cold shane. In the sense that it's gotta be refrigerator to four degrees celsius But but that's that's true of most vaccines. The won't require the deep freeze storage of minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit that the pfizer vaccine Will require us. Oh that's going to settle. many more. Logistical aren't hurdles but doable. I'm one of the questions are being asked about vaccine. The knee operation warp speed. Vaccine's the questions always coming. Hey dr hotels which vaccine are you waiting for. And and i have very unique cancer. Which is not waiting for anything. I will whatever vaccine or vaccines are approved by the fda the full approval process or the fda agrees to release through emergency use authorization. I will take even if some of those operations speed. Vaccines won't be the best vaccines in terms of protection. And the reason is goes like this. The work that we've been doing on coronavirus over the last decade has shown that the best predictor of how our laboratory animals will do with covid. Nineteen is whether or not the virus neutralizing antibodies. And that's what all the vaccines do. These different technologies but ours. Is the fis madera. Now they all work by inducing high levels of virus neutralizing antibodies and And i feel really uncomfortable going through this winter without virus. Neutralizing antibodies in my system. I'm very vulnerable like any. Everybody is so that if you offer me basically any of those operation warp speed vaccines even if they're not the best vaccines having virus. Neutralizing antibody in my system is better than not. Because that's what will keep me out of the hospital or out of the intensive care unit. And that's what i've been saying. Don't wait around for the the best vaccine. Let the perfect be the enemy of the good get virus neutralizing antibodies your system if you get vaccinated. It's not the best vaccine you can still later on. Get a booster with maybe one of the better vaccines that come along. Maybe there's a booster with the same vaccine. We don't really know anything about durability protection. We don't know any which are going to be the best but get what you can keep yourself out of the hospital. Give your family what you can't keep your family out of the hospital. And i think that's the message that a lot of americans need to hear because you know there's the communications are on operation. Were businessmen horrible. There really hasn't been a federal government communication strategy. It's all been left to the pharma companies. Ceos who've been fumbling that message for badly and And so that a lot of people now are saying they're not gonna take covid nineteen vaccines are. They're going to wait. And i can't stress enough. This is not the kind of thing you want to wait you on. This is going to be terrible. Terrible winter most likely even here in houston. Maybe won't be as bad as other of the country. But i don't know that for sure and and it'll still be pretty rough so protect yourself so even though under an emergency use authorization the vaccines will not have gone through as long as large clinical trial process as they normally would you think any risks of side effects are so low enough that the protection would be highly work that these are large. Thirty thousand person clinical trials at in the case of the johnson. Johnson jan jalen. Sixty thousand person clinical trials. So we're going to get a lot of information about if which of these vaccines works and their level of safety and and you know any vaccine that goes through the full approval process There's the cdc Extrordinary track record of success in that the the only problem with the full approval processes even if you do an expedited approval Six to nine months. So let's just say for argument's sake that we have the green light on december. I write a few wait six to nine months. You're talking about may or august was released to the public and given the fact that there's been no federal response to covid nineteen That we're looking at. Maybe a thousand deaths today again Or maybe even up to two thousand some room saying more than that you know you do the math and you realize that hundreds of thousands of lives would be lost if you went through the full approval process. We just can't let it happen so so then the question is okay. We knew emergency use authorization. We've never done that before. For a major vaccine released to the public What will that look like well in my discussions with leadership of the day. It's pretty clear that they are doing everything. Possible to closely approximate. The full licensure process won't be exactly the same. But i think it's close enough. That will do okay. I think the fda the the the the f you commissioner had a rough start when he started but he's really rebounded nicely. I think i think you know. I think stephen hamas Commissioner hans doing a good job and Is has his arms around the vaccine problem really well and and so i'm and i'm glad that he's houstonians. So there you are on your mind these days. What he wants to be thinking about a few things. you know. I still take walks in the neighborhood with my wife night or in the morning. And nobody's wearing masks pretty much. I mean it still looks like business as usual to meet. So we still have not grasped the importance of of wearing masks even when outside The numbers from the stood for health. Metrics show that with ninety five percent mask us. We could save one hundred. Twenty nine thousand lives in the country and that message is still not a permeated the general public. So we're still seeing a lot of people without masks and in some cases people are being defiant. Not wearing masks. I think more often than not. It's just not still not getting access to that to that information And so trying to get you. Stoned needs to put on masks and be ready. It could be a really rough winter in terms of a spike in cova nineteen cases. And i think that we're going to see many of the northern states big surges on the hospitals. And that's when mortality rates really go up. So i'm i'm worried that will reproduce what happened in new york city times ten or fifteen ten to fifteen cities like new york Meaning that Ten times worse than new york. But but What happened in new york over march april. If it's as bad as some projections suggests that could be reproduced in more than a dozen cities across the us. And i'm just hoping that we escaped that fate houston. I think we've likely will. But i don't know that for certain so so in addition to wearing masks as having a lot of situational awareness about following the numbers staying close to the news. Watch the new case numbers. They are going up from week to week. Basis we hit a low of around three or four hundred cases then we went up to five hundred hour up to six hundred new cases a day on average not as high as two thousand ones. But we're just at the beginning of this to watch those numbers wash. The hospitalization rates watched the positivity rates and be flexible and adapt accordingly. If the numbers start going up in houston like the rest of the country and you start hearing about a surge in the hospitals than you know. Watch out and be ready to go back to doing social distancing a lot of unknowns of how this winter's is going to proceed some of my colleagues say they are. Some of the hospitals seem the numbers. Go up. It's not really reflected in the tmc numbers yet but watch that really closely so just to remind people that hospitals are lagging indicator. But they're more reliable than necessarily the number of new tested cases. There's not one magical number of lookout. I look at the rise in new cases. I look at the positivity rate. I look at the hospitalizations and then the lagging indicator the deaths. And but if you start seeing all three go up you know you're in trouble and we're not quite there yet but i think we will. We will see a rise in all three eventually and the question is how high cisco when does it get as bad as the rest of the country in my fingers across the doesn't but i i don't know for certain right now i again. I think the thing to emphasize is we just have to get through the next few months and this is why. I was so disappointed when i couldn't get the white house to adopt My tober one plan over the summer because we could have delayed this low this down we have had a great fall and we could've potentially delayed that surge too late to the winter time for the vaccines to come along and saved a lot of wives. But that wasn't in the cards for the white house so Have flexibility be adaptable. And don't be defiant if things look like going in the wrong direction and and remember when things go in the wrong direction with this virus it goes very quickly it's not like you have weeks to wring your hands and think about things start to when things go bad very quickly and then don't be be be adaptable. Ready to to social distance with your social distancing group. Thanks peter for talking with us again. It's always informative even if it's not good news. So yeah as i say it's not totally bleak because the world does get better. It's but it's it will get worse before it gets better better than an extra episode of gerona virus bronco. Our theme music was barrel jobs. And all the komo news our producer is got kingsley. We'll be back soon. But the new show you anna. With lisa grey until where your mass stay sane. And let's get through the next few months together.
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It's it seems to be good news. I don't know what happened yesterday. With our fda they were fighting about something That i'll the head of the fda the white house and basically i think he was getting chewed out for taking too long getting the vaccine approved for use in the us Obviously the president's staff would have liked to see all that news come out before the election. I think there's still some hard feelings over that. Fda says that they have their procedures their boxes that they have to check before they can allow you know a vaccine to be distributed across the country. And we're very close to that. So i mean it's a matter of days before the give the approval. It's not it's supposed to well not that we know right. It's supposed to be approved. It's supposed to be ohio december fifteenth. Yeah the governor was at the warehouse in central ohio. i guess will initially be shipped. Think the army is is handling some of the logistics for this and It'll be kept there than the national guard will get it out. The wine is going to tell us tomorrow. You know where it's going i. We assume the nursing homes. I think that's going to be the the frontline. What a great premise. For twenty four. Remember that show right now is if this truck was heading number two that two warehouse and russians hijack hijack it over. Oh god jack powered up to come and get you know. Come out of hiding or something. You'd like do it over the brent spence. The driver doesn't realize right. Stop at deir. Yeah pretty cool and whole jack bowers daughter hostage on the bridge with With the coronavirus. Remember that it has to be refrigerated minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit. And you know it's not going to be any good deal threaten. You have to take those precautions you. He'll threaten to unplug the refrigerator city ice and always has to be unless you put me on the phone with the president and get full immunity. It's always that show anyhow. That's a show for twenty years ago. Brian the government is ready to go Winus said yesterday after he toward this facility he feels real good about the use of the national guard. Yeah and how. It's going to be administered. Kentucky's already said they're going to nursing homes. I and we expect the governor of ohio. Say the same tomorrow yes. It's a two-shot process though shots have to be spaced out by a couple of weeks so if we start vaccinating people remember fifteenth on the first day. You're not gonna have immunity to a couple of weeks after you get the second shot right. So we're looking at you know the middle of january probably the first people who are protected. Actually have that protection and and of course all eyes are going to be on it and the news will some one of them somebody. That's older that got the shot. It's not gonna to take and that person's going to catch it. Diane are going to put it all over the news. Scare everybody to make you think that this vaccine work. That's what's gonna add up to this point. They say it's been ninety five percent effective so there will be the will be a few cases are it doesn't work. Yup no no known side effects at this point other than maybe a headache like today. You get the first shot bullets headache. I've had one for a year. The couple of more school districts are saying now that they're going to sports for a little while they were worried about bringing kids back into the building right after thanksgiving having like that. We had the the spike after halloween. Yes so they want to see a thanksgiving spike from people gathering against the advice of of The medical experts so Deer parks announced that. Not only. are they going remote. They're going to pause athletics through the end of this week. I'm okay with that. You know people are forgetting. I understand about the halloween thing. But what about the whole voting think. Remember all those people we smash records of people getting together the vote so in record turnout on election itself. I mean we. We could be seeing that spike right now. I mean we're seeing a spike. Now you could have been holiday. They're saying it's just from people being inside more. Yeah around groups of people not sending in line for hours on end to go. Vote kentucky. It's kind of remarkable. I mean just how fast it can increase but the governor took us through like you know when they first saw thousand cases yeah which was like two months ago which i thought was unbelievable and it took another month and a half to get two thousand cases and then it took you know two weeks the yet the three thousand and then took like a day to go from three to four thousand right and he's afraid It keeps spreading at that rate. It's going to be mad to know where it's gonna It's a that we haven't even seen the this is just the beginning Because you know a thanksgiving it was. i mean. Look judging by the news but they said that people just ignoring it and traveling and all that stuff. I mean every footage all the footage showed airports people on their mask on which is good But i mean it's going to end up spiking. It's going to be the next week will be the telling point for that. Yeah the The other thing. I guess that the that they're looking at us. If there's restrictions have had any impacts governor of kentucky close the schools shut down you know bars and restaurants and We just heard from a from britain at a similar action. Their led to like a thirty percent drop in the number of cases over a two week period. So okay well guess we'll find out if those restrictions really did well. But i think it's got to be buried in the spike of thanksgiving and And then just going to say well. Obviously we just got to still keep a close because this is a this is thanksgiving. We took a factor. Not christmas holidays coming up fast. Put us right back in the same situation. So it's hard to imagine that they're gonna lift any of the restrictions that are in place because they won't really see a real There is a group of growing group of restaurants and bar owners in kentucky who are saying Whether or not. The governor lifts the ban on indoor dining december fourteenth they are reopening. I for it. I don't know. I don't blame him this livelihood and others. They work with you know. That's it open it up. And i mean the christmas holiday season huge time For restaurants and bars for holiday party got to you. Got to take that into consideration. If you're gonna open up. Yeah i mean if you open up for two weeks and then they tell you you're you're losing your liquor license and you know. Never be able to serve liquor again. You're pretty much business has done well. But that's the risk of they're going to have to take because you know what they probably looking at gone. We're dead anyway so let's stay open and maybe they'll say it's easy to say on december second that you know we're gonna open regardless governor says what happens on december fourteen. Yeah see how many people look wait. I thought you said you were gonna listen if you are one. That's going to open up Because the governor said no. I'll support your place. I will go there and and eat or whatever. 'cause enough enough of this right brian combs head on a little longer really. What what's the difference. We we've come this far. Can we hang on for another two months three months. Whatever it takes to get us to march when the weather's better and the vaccines out there. No i kind of place it. Doesn't we react now and destroy things now. I we'll think about the future. We rip bandaids off and destroy things. Now we don't think about that. I mean i survive thanksgiving home alone with my wife to make it through christmas. Yeah okay and my my My mother laws planning to come up from san antonio which. I am totally against because she Has health issues stuff but she wants to come and see the family and my wife texted me. Vigo's we're gonna have to isolate you know obviously a couple of weeks beforehand and not going anywhere and i said oh no difference. Ready all right. Well thank you. Brian from seven hundred w l w The the vaccine is on the way which is Any kind of gonna come run here. Start poking ya kid. Chris show to go through all the charts. You know For the big formats country world top forty and of course the rockwell number. Five in the rock world Right now this was updated last night. That's the new. Greta van fleet Number four is deaf tone. Sounds like all the other tones number. Three prevail okay This is a shock to me. Number two is the fighters new one. 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That's going to be my new New chart is the basic music. local bands. trying to be superstars like donkey punch By avenue donkey punch adult dumpty parts. Okay i mean listen. They're putting the effort out there. Yes all right creative so there you go. Maybe i'll start going through my favorite my top five of basement. Music tools are going through. I don't like encores their instant sear. I don't like they're fake. I don't you know i went. I saw aerosmith concert about three or four years ago and they were great by the way they were fantastic but they didn't play their best song. They didn't play dream on and then they walked off stage and the whole audience had to stand on their feet. Clapping for fifteen minutes before arrowsmith came back out and finish their job. You know you're gonna play dream on. I know you're playing the whole arena. Knows you're playing dream on. Let's dance steven tyler. I got a babysitter. Needs to be home by eleven can only dream on entertain. It's the only profession that does that. You don't see your accountant like well here. Most of your taxes good. You didn't finish well. Let's see how you can get it out there. Maybe i'll come back just not feeling it right now. I am not feeling that they gotta stand out their cell phones. Come close with the refund chris. Five one three eight one. Three seventy nine seventy nine earth. Yes Phone number is five one three eight one three seven nine seven nine to get you on the radio here Dr vouch e. You know that dude. It's been all the news and stuff. Obviously he saying Within about nine months or so should be all vaccinated ready to go where we can start sports and all that stuff. So that's good. It's coming up. What for summertime. Whatever the hell sports. Let's talk bars beer. Let's see caller. You're on the air. 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That's what i'm saying. We should try guessed the out on the joke. Okay i guess all of them right now okay. Not funny not funny about that. Sorry million dollars because they're making millions of dollars and nobody in this room is so they're doing it right okay. So they are telling us what's funny. Meanwhile over in the uk tequila bar applied to become a church in order to stay open during the lockdown on sunday. Mornings guys going to be like okay. Honey off to church mean the boys will be back around midnight. Yeah i mean the congregation. The story itself got a bigger laugh. Man just saying what happened was bigger laughed at his joke at the end but he thought oh i'll punch it up. Yeah it's the only church where the collection plate is filled with mixed nuts. Well until we get a vaccine things are going to be pretty different Just check out. What the new york city ballet is doing this year for the first time since its debut. The new york city ballet will not perform the nutcracker ballet production will be streamed online beginning next friday. If you want to see it. Do not google virtual nutcracker i. I mean i get who you got to remember who. The jokes are are directed towards. It's you know the housewives. Well housewives aren't up at eleven thirty at night now. I don't know who's watching it. It used to be college students when letterman was on like late. Twelve thirty was college students and stuff you know. That's what they were going after. You can't compare those two. No no of course. Not letter was grants of all time. But then you have. You would think now that they would have more well. I guess it would still go after the college audience because they would try younger ones would be up and then also with a video obviously digital you want those jokes spread around and who's going to be spreading people of that age group so i mean i don't know maybe it's just me again. They figured out. I haven't okay obviously sitting here wondering what the hell i'm gonna do. And they're sitting there making those jokes and making billions and millions of dollars and never have to work again. So yeah we're wrong. they're right. why oh off. Towards what a slobber knocker w penrose is an attorney from the law firm of manila and jenkins tours. Kenai sue is the segment. He comes in answers. Your legal questions does the best city he can. Sometimes he blows it out. Fix it okay. Calm co-sponsor with foley and foley. That's right. I would work myself. Fully fully may only meet. Yes here we go five one three eight one. Three seven nine seven nine. That's the the phone number to get you on the sears mark mark. You're on with stuart w penrose. What's your legal question. Hello stuart yeah. Had an incident that i was involved in back in two thousand and nineteen at a race track here in the local area where they overpaid me Some a certain amount of money and then they you know went on and gamble there the whole day and then i came back later on in the evening i laughed. I stayed there the whole day. That and i got a call the next day holiday gambled away the that day. Yeah game with the whole gator. That you're playing a game. You bet on a horse or something. Yeah overpaid you. Well i went up. I went up to what i did. I was gonna make a bet okay and i asked for voucher which they give you a cast out your instead of instead of cash so she gave me about your and i stepped into machine next door for sixty vouchers. She gave me six hundred okay. I'd rain some tickets do and was unaware the fact that she gave me. That didn't even look at the ticket. Anyway we ranson tickets through. I thought that we maybe hit something. So i went back and split the money with my buddy. I stayed the whole day. Okay they call me the next previous day and say they made a mistake. Repaid me so. I said okay. Well what what do we do to resolve this. They said well you bring your money back out and everything should be okay. So the following day. I took the money back out there and then they barred me from the track. Even though i took the money back day barred me for your bart off the ground okay. That's yeah whatever. Whatever if that's what y'all say that for they give you a reason. Give me a reason why they didn't say nothing. But then they then it was so the places sold churchill thought this new casino down here and newport so i go into there and then they come up to me. A guy comes up to me and says it's he said i'm the head of security of Showdown or whatever and he said. Look we're going to squash all that. He said we don't condone that kind of behavior. And i said well look you try to explain to him what happened. He said look. It's just over. So i go in there two or three more times and then a guy comes up. That used to be the head of the. The mutual clark's tariff way. He comes over to me and says mark. We're going to talk with you once you to sign some papers and i'm not signing no papers for nothing. I told you that before. No papers and. I said i did nothing wrong. You're all mistake. He said well. You're gonna to have to leave this premises. We don't want you know. We're not allowed him here and i said this is a whole new establishment. What does that have to do with slashing here. What's your dance entertainment. What your question. Well the question is do i do. I have any legal grounds to to get a case him to where i can be allowed back in there. What's i don't think so. They're a private business. Do what they want. I mean quite frankly. I mean it. You know a lesser culpability. Don't get me wrong. But i mean technically that. They could have charged with criminal theft at the time. If you know they if they realized what happened and even give the money back with that said did the money they gave you. Did you lose it all back to him gambling. I'm also look to be. We only here on your side of the story. Because i don't know what their their whole thing but There's no damages here. You're not hurting anyway. No no no no no. I wasn't hurt anyway. Just to kind of kind of bothered me to come back down there. The day they sold the place to frequent their competitor. Yeah yeah you're welcome. That's a rough sounded dude. I'd love the money gambling. Got it back. yeah. I guess so. This here is derek. you're on the air. Derek yeah It's pretty shape forward. I was terminated from my job september fourth of last year this year. Actually sorry for I work injury I was out i. I was pretty much incapacitated for Twelve months eighteen months later. They terminated me because i was put on permanent restrictions with a four percent total body disability Involving the injury that happened to my arm. I ruptured my biceps. Tendon would have had I was working Reached up to grab something. And when i pulled my tendon just ruptured this. The surgeon pretty much told me that you know it could happen doing anything. I just happened to be at work when it decided to let go So they they terminated me. Because i was put on permanent Restrictions and they said that they can no longer accommodate restrictions after eighteen months of accommodating the restrictions. I never missed a day at work i had. I took vacation days to have my surgery. I surgery on. Friday came back to work on tuesday. You know in your case they were I was released at image. And a week that i was released at m. i as when they terminate. Okay i know. There are certain protections that are in place In terms of firing injured you know injured workers. Why don't you hang on the line. We'll get you information. I want to talk to more later about this. Who come on data contested through. He goes act golden ticket. It's like listen. It's the opportunity. Listen there are phases that you have to get through one. You've got to get through to chris right. That's one to talk to you and you have to assess whether or not it is or isn't worthy to put them on holes a bit of a gate. I agree you talked to stewart right. Not be the highest bar. There's a private conversation. With stuart w penrose restrictions of time in radio so five one three eight one three seven nine seven nine. That's the phone number to get you on. The radio here is this. What does it darrell. Yes sir god daryl. You're on the air. yeah my son monday night. he He he was coming off the highway and he and he went to turn on another road and he hit the curb slash comedian and it popped his tire and dented his room and he drove about a hundred yards down the road and parked at a public park and You know it was. After it was dark it was eleven or so and he was going to deal with it in the morning. 'cause he you know so he left and the next morning tuesday morning he went to get his car towed and it was gone so he called the police and they're trying to say he hit and skip and everything but his officer didn't work till last night so he calls them at ten o'clock. My son called the officer at ten o'clock. And and i was like what are we going to do. Say well if you come down to the station tonight. I won't put a warrant out for your arrest and You know my son couldn't 'cause they told his car and he couldn't get a ride down there so so i told them to call them back and say you know just telling you can't get a ride and that you'll be down there tomorrow and let you wanna come and get me. He actually officer and he said he said now. I can't do that. He said so. You'll just have to sit there for a couple of days until the warrant comes out and then you're gonna have to go to jail so mean. How does that work is. I do simple in. Show up the office show up. I mean i get an uber. Find a way. I mean if somethings that important. Find a way i mean. I don't disagree that it sounds like it's pretty harsh. Put a hit skip here. I mean it's it's a one car accidents not there's no victim here then himself and his car right. I mean it sounds like a bit could does fit the definition of a hit skip. I don't know probably but There's no there's no victim there's nobody Other than himself one car accident. But i mean if the officer says get here. We'll talk about it. We'll get it squared away enough to make an effort to do it. I get that you know but it's also it's also at night and they told us car i mean it's not like his wife his mom and i we gotta get up and go to work in the morning there will night. Well welcome to life and also You know he just left his car on property. That isn't his so. I mean you can't just right well. It was a public park and never at certain times. Yeah exactly they close. They close at ten. But there's no sign that said they retire your car if it was left there after door a sign and say hey. Don't leave your trash on our property walmart car. They're a week. I get it. It just seems like the officers being a little petty is it seem like a bit of a stretch. Yes but if the officer says come here we'll figure it out or else you're gonna get an arrest warrant yea. I think that's when you make the effort to do it. I mean. I plan on taking him down there today. But why would he tell me how couple of days to weren't comes out. And then he's going to have to go to jail. I know he offered to have the cops come and get them. I can't speak for what's in the officers. Mine right get me yeah. Can we stop off. Mcdonald's dude lightermen thanks guys live. He's mad. But i mean i guess ready to wrap up like a minute ago. I get why he's mad but in the same sense. It's good that you know we answer to here to like be like listen. This is just something that you should have just taken care of right away. I mean i get that do you think judge When show up for court and they go well what happened I couldn't get a ride down there. They got dow. All right. chris dismiss. I'm not in court as frequently anymore. She nobody is because everything's pretty much shut down and a lot of ways. Yeah i used to be in court every day. For almost a decade i heard that excuse literally thousands of times thousands and unfortunately with a lot more success than you'd expect really yeah like there's public transportation. Obviously this is before kobe. There's uber there's taxis. There's i mean i'm sorry there's walking yes. I you know this. I know this. But you know if you're one of the especially if you're like if you're a municipal court judge. Ucf one hundred cases a day. You know you see everything out there and you can't choose every single battle. Listen all they give them second chance. You'll be able to get somewhere you get a ride. We do a guy that robbed the bank and had gotten a cab. He didn't have. I'd say he figured it out guy gave him a ride there to wait here and then went inside rob the bank and then got it so listen it you can make it happen enough the excuses. Thank you this year. Anthony your own sewer w penrose kenai sue. He's from the law. Firm of manila and jenkins go. Hello just kinda. Koga related issue At the beginning. Cove it when it first started. I got laid off due to code and we had just got new vehicle I called the Bank collecting ause laid off and they said all we can work it out that and other with what was that. Is that who you have the financing with. Yeah yeah And they said that they would work with me. Well then i got a call. Two days later saying that they're going to repair vehicle and so that's fine. I can turn it in cool I had no issues with it. And i went to turn it in and about a month ago. They called me and told me i owed them. Twelve thousand dollars still So and it was a brand new vehicle. I didn't even have it a two three weeks. And now they're trying to get me for twelve thousand dollars. I i'm no vehicle and second when you drop the vehicle off. Did you get any kind of documentation from as far as the party. You were financing through saying that you brought it back yes It was I don't know if i'm allowed to say bank but no it's okay your own peril. But i'll tell you what like i've been hit before bringing back cable equipment and then not getting the receipt. The only thing that's ever hit my credit ever. They hit you. They hope equipment. Yes they will charge you for it and you know i brought it back when you going do with it. I had the receipt and they still hit my credit. Really gotta get a receipt and stuff and prove it. So i i do have their receipt and now i'm trying to get a hold of them because they sent me a things then i could do payments or whatever but now they won't return my calls so i have no way to pay them and it's just it's it's a whole mess. Well i've got. I've got screen of me trying to call for the last three weeks With no answer. A no no response to emails so emailed documented. Fortunately yeah calls aren't but the emails are documented Did they sue you over this. How did they did they just letter. I gotta noticing that. I salute them. Twelve thousand dollars. So i tried to reach out to them to see. I don't mind paying it. It is what it is Now i can't get a hold of them. Well wait. Why would you pay that if you don't have the car anymore. I i don't want it on my. I don't want my credits be ruined for the next five to six years. I'm just trying to get it over with. Yeah do you have an email of them agreeing to work out a payment plan as well. I don't know if i have paper documents of it okay. I don't know his financial situation but perhaps bankruptcy could afford some protection. Just wasting right if there's other debts or anything like that. I'm not saying to file just over that alone but if there are other issues perhaps a bankruptcy could provide certain protections or something like that now if it comes down to where. They tried to sue me. Do i have any case where i can say. Hey i've tried to offer you the last three or four months with no response. You'd want get an attorney involved. Which i mean not the The cheapest thing in the world with that said. I can't imagine it's gonna cost you twelve thousand dollars to have an attorney to hire on this. I would think that they would have to mitigate their damages right. You know. I try to sell the vehicle at this time and you could possibly get deducted off what they're what they're able to mitigate paid twice and if you go down to the bankruptcy route Manila and jenkins were sewer. W penrose works they That's one of their specialties. That's bankruptcy firm and town okay. Word up it's our final round of phone calls here for Attorney mr stewart. Wpn rose from the law. Firm of manila and jenkins call a kenai sue here Five one three eight one. Three seven nine seven nine. That's phone number here dawn. You're on the air quickly. What's up don elaborate on the guy that called in about. I think he voluntarily repossessed his vehicle so like years ago usually go to happen to me and my ex So what they probably will do. They'll auction it. And then the difference between what they auction it for and what he does is what you'll have to pay. If he wants to keep his credit in good standing. I do believe damages. Okay so like he said he owed twelve grand on it so they sell it for. I don't know eight. You'd have to pay the difference exactly but that's kind of more like three or four. You know the logs for the question that was to put a stuart. What's his name. I can't remember james stewart. The attorney practicing hard caviar. Yeah he's so. Can i see my ex husband for being in a whole thing to boy. Yes can you know can yes right. Okay how why. Would you have to sue ex and ex husband always ends up paying the woman now. Has that story earlier too. And so that person get paid to really wanted him out of your life the why would you assume to keep them in your life clearly. There's still a connection there growing it back together. Ooh stewart playing that cycle. He's a psychologist and counselor council life. Yeah maybe a couple of heart emoji. Hey by the way. By the way. Don stewart w penrose is about to be married. Your thoughts go ahead. Donors three years. But why am i answering this question. That's a. That's a good amount of time but i mean like I would say you know thirty. Two years i was married. And you never think that's going to happen so just be careful man. Well good luck to you all right. Well see you later loose thirty two years man. Let's go here. This is chip. You're on the air. With stuart w penrose from the law firm of manila jenkins w penrose. How the hell are you. It's not that. I just wanted to take take this conversation. A different direction. I will provide a referenced for stewart as he is one hell of a lawyer and helped me get out of a lot of trouble my life. So crops the stewart. I appreciate that chip by the way this guy right here. Big personality wild man but reform wild man now has got a little child and is doing really well with his life. What did you get for. So let's say This is kind of suiting for today's matters but they police officers direction. How did you get beat down or something. You'd never call a cop racist pigs. Wow wow in his. you've got tennessee. Had know a string of certain incidents that would occur every now and then and they were generally alcohol fueled and they were always entertaining and they happen but you know what according to the law now. None of them happened raleigh because of you. Well you know he was eligible. That is better to say it'd be having expunge need on yourself. It's getting a pardon from the president. All right we'll chit on all right. Dude thanks brother out. And this is the philip here. Philip you are on the last one for stewart. Wpn rose from the law. Firm of manila jenkins back in march the task force of my hall. They took My vehicles like all my stuff. I haven't heard anything from them. No warrants so nothing has been done and I don't know how long they got to found a diamond on me. We need more information on that that the task force. Who did your house when and why they said you were on hold on a pot dealer. Okay your house for we'd dealer so the big big big deal right. Well i've come back from florida. My vehicle i. I went to pick up a puppy They didn't find nothing in my vehicle. What's the puppy stocked with pot. Are you on a speakerphone. Are you on the phone phone now. I'm on the phone okay. Better there probably been watching this guy right. Oh i'm sure clearly surveillance. They're doing something but that is a long time for them to do an investigation with that sad. Kogo everything post that and like. I'm sure a lot of things they were doing. Probably went to hell for a while. Yeah right well see what they like. I said they thought whatever who me over that info vehicle still ended up with a search warrant for my house Which forty seven but was owned my property my property at ten o'clock that morning. So they they. They messed that up. But i just wanted to know how they have. They took brand new coming nine. They took All my stuff. And i don't have You know not have been paying for my for my vehicle. Denali have yeah pot. Dylan's a big business. Exactly that's why they busted you dude with that. They can't they can't stuff in this case. Yeah my wife me and my wife make a thousand dollars a week. We made a hundred thousand dollars last year. Okay so it's not my you know i don't have no job got denali and my wife my w. two's last year is a little bit over one hundred thousand and i just or you know how long have to the indict you when they want. I mean you need to get a you. You need to get an attorney on this and at can't just seize your property in the new nothing on your case. They can't do that. I mean it's kind of a double edged sword. You don't want to highlight yourself up to more than just put an indictment down on you but they also can't just seize your property. I mean they can seize your property for no reason no grounds and not put a case and you go away forever right and they probably are just waiting because they're like well this guy's not gonna attorney so what you would think. He needs to consult with criminal lawyer on this That's that's dotted. I've got an a dining. Let's not comfortable you know he's always talking to about it. I always say if you have. An attorney listened to their advice. Yeah you don't wanna poke the banner but yeah it's total bs that they just take your repossession items and then do nothing. But it took a big screen tv Man so jet doorbusters on friday. You could have a new one for like three hundred dollars but stay now. He's growing trees growing factories on. I don't say okay. I well he he he's not gonna get away of already having attorney and stuff and who knows the attorney might be talking to them behind the scenes without telling you everything that's going on right now Just trying to figure it out. You know i appreciate your time man. You'll have a man. Well listen stewart. wpn rose. I appreciate it. That's a good wrath right there. Thank you very much stewart. W penrose of course he could find him on twitter at stewart. W penrose and manila jenkins dot com the official website. That's where he works their phone numbers five one three seven two three six hundred stewart. We will see you again next week. Cnx sawyer. chris we begin. Today is meditation with the few sipping exercises to remind us. A little treat can go a long way so pick up your mcafee. Iced coffees close. Your eyes and deep ben and deep satisfaction out. Sick treat retreat at mcdonald's right now. Get mcafee iced coffee any size and any flavor for just ninety nine cents tell them. 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Toolkit: Where and When Can I Get the Vaccine?
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That living dot com. That's shop dot l. i. v. i n. g. air d. dot com and use code bubble for ten percent off who writes his copy. They don't have me say only one g anymore Welcome in the bubble. This is anti slavic writing episode so far because we are one week from vaccines rolling out across the country. Can you imagine less than eleven months ago. We hadn't even sequences thing. We just learned about this thing. The vaccine was done in march and we just basically been making sure works and looks like it works so question. How do i get it. What do i need to know who gets it win. Where does it come in. House get distributed you as many other questions and that's why we have a tool kit episode for you. We have two people. Tom moriarty who is from. Cvs he is the chief policy and external affairs officer and the general counsel super guy. I think you'll really appreciate the work when i heard the work that. Cvs has been doing and he's speaking on cbs. But also the many other pharmacies and other distributors around the country and in the bubble favorite david angus and he's one of my favorites too. he is doc at. Usc is one of the leading cancer. Doctors the world has founded several personalized medicine companies. He has been intimately involved in the data. That's been Going on with these clinical trials on vaccines. He was on our vaccine episode. Before you may want to go back and you can listen to it. He by the way predicted. Pretty close to where we'd be when we would be here on that show but let's get these guys on. Tom warrior and david gates. Let's get you your vaccines. So we have tom moriarty from cvs and david he gets back to our show. Dr gets You guys can introduce yourself a little more in a moment. Although i took care that intro. I'm so pleased to be able to have this episode. It's an amazing sign of progress. That what we received a genetic sequence to this pathogen january eleventh. I believe it was and we are now possibly within a week or so from putting actual vaccines into people's arms and soon millions of people. And so you know. We're going to use to episode really to answer your questions about how it's gonna work and we've got great experts on and i'm really pleased that david and tom are both on. So how guys and welcome. Thanks for coming back david. I am glad to be here. Always glad to work with you. Although you look a little strange. But the glasses i have to say the glasses on the fourth. Yeah yeah that's i think. Sign that. I need a new prescription. Maybe i'll head over to cvs. How're you doing very well. Thanks for having. Sandy appreciate it. Great people just started a very high level Dr egas. I'm gonna call you david just because unless you jack don't call you you are welcome to. I like it a lot. Better than dr egas. Okay just give us a big picture here. We are entering december. Where are we in terms of vaccines and the vaccine rollout and give us a sense of the process. And what's ahead. It's been vaccine. Monday really the last three days. We've had three different vaccines announced data that i think all of them exceeded expectations. You know the remarkable thing to me is that vaccine started in the march timeframe you know the vaccine didn't get any better. It's not like writing code for a software program where you can make it better every week or you can generate on a product. The vaccines were their final version. In march and now we are the end of november and we finally have enough data that they work so they clearly block you from getting the virus. The key question. That was just answered on monday. Was are you infectious. When you're a symptomatic from the virus and the answer is no and that was an enormous step. Four which means the duration of the pandemic will be shorter than we thought and science is going to win here because it's three vaccines. They were all manufactured at risks. So it's three major supplies of vaccine becoming available in december. Not just for the us but for the globe so we saw that point you just made about the vaccines preventing you for being infectious with the oxford astrazeneca vaccine. Do you conclude that because of that the other vaccines are also likely to not be infectious or is it just clear for the one. So what oxford did was every week. They swabbed everybody in their study. And so that way they know were they infectious and not. Could you find virus by pcr or not. And that's how they got their answer. The other studies did not do that. That was not something that was done studies in the united states. But since they all target the spike protein and they all are getting similar antibody and t cell responses. We can assume just like we assume when we got the pfizer dana. They're all going to show benefit and we were right. I think we can assume the same here is that. They are blocking people from being factors. Be nice to prove it. I think we have that assumption. Now remember how vaccines work is. They present that spike protein to your immune system and then your immune a response against that spike approach which is required for the virus inside the cell by human cells by binding to the receptor that immune response carries over. If you're exposed to the virus and doesn't allow the virus to get in so you would assume pretty much that they would work and in fact they did and they showed safety. Almost every vaccine in the history of humankind has shown its side effects in the first few weeks in the first few weeks with these vaccines there were no serious side effects that were lasting in any single individual secondary to the vaccine. Is there anything about the vaccines. That are different. That you want to point out in either in terms of dosage or i think some people know that there's some vaccines that are on something called an m. r. a platform and some. That aren't is there. Anything that's useful for people to understand about the differences in these vaccines. Yeah it is. They are different in many respects. Are a vaccines are the instructions for your body to make that spike protein. And they're new. They're going to be exciting when they're validated in that all of a sudden we can quickly turn around and make it to any pathogen so that part is really encouraging. But we don't have with our vaccine is long term data because they haven't been around for long term and these will be the first ones that will be available for mass use in the country. The oxford vaccine is make on a version of adenoviruses as backbone the one that was used for the merge vaccine so there is a multi year history with that vaccine and so we do have long term safety data all three i think encouraging it was the right decision for government to at risk manufacturing. And we're going to benefit now. The vaccines will be here. Months earlier had then had we not done this. Had risk manufacturing great so before. Go talk to tom about the last mile where. Cvs is going to be helping us get these vaccines into our bodies. Can you give a general overview about the philosophy and the approach to vaccine distribution. How we go from a whole bunch of ax scenes sitting in factories or warehouses. Or wherever they may. Maybe your basement there somewhere. How did it go from there. What's the general philosophy of getting them out to the rest of us so the first step we did. We validate the vaccines are safe. And they work. The second step is manufacturing and we still are not fully there on the manufacturing side which is why we'll talk a little later. i'm sure but how many doses are available. It's not enough yet for the whole country. Then the next is putting them into a bottle and shipping them which is not as simple as it sounds. What size valdez to do. One does doodoo ten does doodoo one hundred doses in one vial and then distributing it the arnaiz vaccines have to be distributed at a very cold temperature minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit for the pfizer vaccine. Adviser is going to go. Its own distribution not through operation warp speed using a hell of a distribution Partner called federal express in so. This is unprecedented for a number of reasons. One it's a two-part shot these first three vaccines day one in day. twenty one. Four pfizer and astrazeneca day. One a day. Twenty eight for the moderna vaccine. Second is not like a polio. We could stand in line and wait to get it here. We don't want people standing in line because you could spread the virus so it really is a unique challenge where you want people to come on time. You wanna do large volume the pfizer vaccine for example being shipped in thousand approximately thousand dose containers. So you have to do the whole thousand doses in a day basically or the vaccine can go bad and so you need to have a large volume place to do that. Most hospitals in the country are filling up now so what it means is a couple months ago. We plan to distribute a lot of them at hospitals. They're filled up when their parking lots were full. They can't handle several thousand extra cars people a day so we have to transition into. Cvs is our our savior's and we are really relying on them to come through no pressure on you at all times. But we're relying in them as a society for them to come through. And i think they will. I mean i don't think that's going to be the weak note. I think the weakest node right now is getting from where they're being manufactured and getting to the cvs is to be able to do it and then the scheduling part also really hasn't been tried and tested for this many people so tom maybe you could start with how. Cvs and others got involved in the project. What work you all have been doing to repair. And a little bit of an of how you see it going sure So are involved really started when the onset of the pandemic so and it started first with covid nineteen testing and really a launching that on a on a broad scale across the country and working with the administration governors and state and local officials across the country to bring testing. It's communities because i was going to be. I really critical saying to to get right But also david said i think is really important. The public private partnership here across the board. Whether it's on the vaccine development the manufacturing and now in the distribution administration the focus has been placed on this over. The last six plus. Months has been real this. This has not been the last two weeks kind of conversation. We have been knee deep in the planning and the production and the roll out of this With the operation warp speed team With hhs with the governors and a public health departments. And so you look at the reach. That cbs has in. Frankly pharmacy has a cross. The country we have some ten thousand locations Many folks are within less than miles of cbs. We also have the ability to take these into underserved communities with technology and capabilities that we've put together to deliver vaccines both flu and others Into these underserved areas. So i give credit to our public health officials for recognizing the important role that pharmacy can play. Needs to play here. We'll have some one hundred thousand healthcare professionals available to administer vaccines once they're available across the country so that's the kind of scale that we can bring and then the other thing that's really important on this because you highlighted the the second dose in the booster doses has to happen here the scheduling systems and the follow up tracking systems to get folks back in for that booster doses. Going to be hugely important. So we've developed an app on your phone That will allow you to schedule your first appointment and while you're scheduling that first appointment you're going to schedule your second appointment for that booster and we are going to give you the cards. Remind you we're gonna send you text messages. Were going to call you. We're going to do everything within our power to get you into that booster dose because getting both doses is going to be critical for patients and citizens across the country. So how how. Will you notify me or howl. I know whether or not it's time for me to get a vaccine is david said. There's not enough for everybody. Everybody can't come at once anyway. So here i sit. Maybe two miles from cvs. David said that the supply said david wanted there to be more But the supply said but as david pointed out to us We're not gonna be able to get at once even if we could make a great point about the fact that we need to not all jammed ourselves into cvs store or or other place and and if you might maybe you could also say beside cvs where the kinds of places that people are going to be able to go to get a vaccine and then maybe help us understand. How will people be notified that it's time for them to get one right. The prioritization of a. Who's going to get the vaccine. When is going to be set by the cdc in an acp in a very It is the Committee essentially on Immunization protocols and practices. David will know the full. It's within the cdc. It's a committee That makes the decision on who can be vaccinated and win good enough perfect and so they have a very important meeting december tenth to twelfth That is currently scheduled. That will likely come out with the full prioritization as to who gets vaccinated and when what we do know is that the first two phases of this is going to focus on healthcare workers and other essential workers said it defined within that first wave and then wave one be if you will will be folks in long term care facilities skilled nursing facilities and assisted living facility so our most vulnerable seniors and that rollout will will start immediately after the first approval within twenty four to forty eight hours working with the states as to how they wanna prioritize where folks can go after that first wave and it's more supply at a becomes available. Then you're going to work your way down the prioritization lives list. That cdc has established got so. Let's say i'm a nurse. I live in baltimore. Maryland and maryland gets its doses. Will the governor of maryland in the state health commissioner Sent out a notice will eye contact you would. Cvs contact me. Any idea how people will be alerted. Yes so Again breaking it into the two primary populations for the first wave in long term care and assisted living. Hhs contract with cbs walgreen. St- to take care of those populations so the long term care facility assisted living facilities. They have signed up with cdc as to who they want to administer for the weather walgreens or cvs so we we will be given those names and we'll start coordinating When we're giving go ahead to get those schedule with those facilities in terms of the healthcare workers through the states they will be advised as to who will be administering and where and when and where to contact and how to schedule those We will be doing it for a number of states and we're still working through whether be crossed. All fifty states for those healthcare workers got into become to a cvs store. Or do you go toward the different site. What's typical so for for the non long-term care and assisted living. 'cause we will go there to administer onsite great a will coming into a cvs pharmacy for these and we will as more supply becomes available. We'll be doing something very kintu. The the flu clinics that we do which are larger scale vaccination clinics. We have an awful lot of experience doing over the last number of years the issue is going to be. It's not you know while the acp american committee on immunization practices recommends. The states can do what they want and make their own hierarchy. And that's you know in a sense. The scary part is they're allowing states to make it. I saw last night. The hawaii state recommedations over two hundred thirty pages. The hawaii plan on. Who gets it when first of all you re two or three pages and you're sound asleep. It's a little scary to me. Multi hundred page recommendations per individual state and then coordinating with the cvs and others of the world. It's not a simple staff so the places where this could bog down and look. We should acknowledge. I think that this is being done with as you both have said incredible speed incredible coordination. People want this done without delay but little snags will happen. They may happen in one state and another because this is a lot a lot of stuff to do but it sounds like vaccines have to get from the manufacturer over to the storage. It sounds like federal express in in the instance of pfizer and mckesson doing the distribution. Tom to the The pharmacies mckesson is doing the non pfizer product pfizer. Okay so for those who don't know. Mckesson is a very big distributor of pharmaceutical products. This is sort of what they do and of course the. Us army's involved In logistics but as david said it sounds like a governor and a state health department also is going to to play a role in making these decisions. So we're gonna we're gonna have to observe how that how that works to david's point so At at a press conference this morning with a secretaries are an operation warp speed. The they announced the states have been given their initial allocation number in terms of the first wave so the states now by a certain date will have to advise what populations are going to be getting those and then pick the partners. They want to actually administer for them on that first allocation and long-term care assisted living may be in that phase. One a some states may want that they may want the allocation simply be for healthcare workers and other essential workers. So that's where that kind of at the state by state approach can get pretty complicated and now for something we like to call. 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You've already done a good job explaining that it sort of depends on who you are. An in david you've added sort of also depends what state you're in because the states may do things differently. But i believe that the worm speed folks have estimated that by the end of january that there'd be fifty million people which i assume because i'm very good at math is one hundred million doses. See how did that. David gary impressive. I can walk you through So that there'd be. Fifty billion by the end of january was was an estimate. Does that seem close to real or close to write to both of you. If we do this correctly and that that did not take into account astrazeneca when that was made and so that number can be up by tens of millions of people assuming astrazeneca gets an e you away from the fda. Then i think we. We are underestimating in the eighty million range at the end of january. Wow so between the middle of december and the end of january. How many people estimate. Tom will be in a cvs recognizing that as you said if you're in a long term care facility you're not technically in the cvs how how many vaccines and how does it. How logistics of all those people work. Yeah so it's a great question and we've done an awful lot of work around this so we estimate that will have capacity to administer anywhere between twenty twenty five million vaccines. Vaccinations a months. So that's a capacity and as david is indicated a lot of this supply Supply reliance in terms of how we scale up and how quickly we do with. There will be capacity in the system to administer a large number of these vaccinations Very early on if supplies there so again if you assume this rollout that's been talked about and an additional manufacturer to coming in April or march or april. You can see. Certainly by the middle of the year The bulk of the population having been vaccinated. Wow okay here's an email from louis. Caine she says. Is it safe to assume that the public will not be making a choice between vaccines. I e we'll get whatever vaccine is sent to our geography but this is like when i tell my kids you get what you get. You don't get upset You know. I think it's going to be your own decision You could say. I want to take an epoch seen or i want to get the astra zeneca vaccine. I think every city is going to have vaccines in may be easier to get one then another you may be able to get one on a quicker timeframe than another but certainly nobody is going to say. You were only able to get vaccine x. Y. or z. You do have autonomy here and you can make your own decision in this regard that being said i think it is going to be pretty chaotic. And we'll be a rush. I mean i saw in colorado yesterday and in and out burger opened in. There was a thirteen hour line at an in and out burger. I can only imagine what's going to happen with axes come. Those fries are good though. So question is for michael. Once we get vaccinated and get the subsequent second shot assuming that it's either pfizer or madeira. Although that's true with with astrazeneca's well will we be safe to be outside without masks and around people or will we need a certain amount of the us to be vaccinated. I very intelligent question. David what do you think. I think it's no question is that we have to wear masks until we get toward herd immunity. And i think that's clear. I think when you immunize one hundred people. I think a good portion of them will not get the virus and not be contagious. They're exposed but not all of them and right now. We estimate about seven percent of the united states. Population will not respond to a vaccine munitions the cancer treatment and others and we have to protect them the way we protect them is getting toward her immunity. So if you look at vaccinations plus who has previously been exposed and probably has some unity. We're going to need to vaccinate. In the mid seventy percent range of the country will get us to the mid eighty percent range of herd immunity when we do that. And i think it's the only way possible And then we can relax some of the things on massing. Go to what asian countries do as you wear a mask when you're sick so you don't spread the virus for others. We have to start caring about others in our country. Yeah that's a long order. You're absolutely right about that time. Join add anything or otherwise. I'll play a voice mail just to the point of the vaccine choice because i think that was something. We were very focused on a concerned about until we knew the efficacy levels. That have been reported because you were worried that one might be ninety five effective and the other one only being seventy that would really to the fact that they have relatively similar efficacy. And they're both a two-shot that whole issue of choice i think becomes less of a consumer issue than it may have been in a situation where you at different makeup some of the products. And it's the same thing true with i don't wanna say safety. I want to say with the sort of side effect profile in that I think we just heard there was either fao. Cheer the cdc say that that there might be the feeling people might have a slight flu If they take one of these products is that universal for all the products or expect there to be differences. Yeah i mean every vaccine you have the potential getting a sore arm getting fatigue getting chills etc all of which are reversible and twenty four to forty eight hours. It's your immune response in says when you get that you cheer because your body is making a very potent immune response that is going to protect you from the virus and the big question is do you want that inflammation in your arm or do you want it in your lungs in your heart. Any day of the week. I think every sin is in this country will say i wanted in my arm where it's not gonna cause any long term ramifications. It is as simple as that. That's a great way to think about it. And so you wouldn't you wouldn't recommend people shopping for vaccines because of a likelihood of that response. There's no data that one is different than another in terms of side effects. Short term side effects the immune response. But we do know which is kinda shocking. Is that the older. You are the less side effects you get from these vaccines. Whoa and it probably has to do with some corona virus prior exposure. You've been exposed to other things but you have less of a fever chills fatigue etc. You're so young you're going to have issues but the rest of us because we're older. We're not. I'm so lucky actually. Just had a birthday. That is awesome for me. That's great birthday. Thank you. If i hadn't had the birthday i'd be a little more worried but now fifty four okay. All right to play a voicemail high significantly on wondering if the volume of vaccines that are to come We'll be absorbable into the current supply chain for vaccines We already receive vaccines. that are frozen. Maybe not team frozen We also receive. Vaccines are french And i'm curious if that Volume of coin vaccine. That is to come. However hundred million of those are com- if they won't be absorbed into the delivering supply chain of the current vaccines watching. So maybe i'll start david on that one. The answer is yes to those questions and let me let me walk you through all the work. That's been done around here and it's not just work over the last six months. It's frankly work that's been done over the last fifteen plus years You know in the role of the pharmacy can play in providing vaccines so five of the six vaccines that are that are gonna come to market. They all work with existing freezer Refrigeration capabilities that exists today at retail pharmacy. So all of our ten thousand locations. We have the freezer refrigeration capability to deal with these vaccines. The pfizer vaccine is the only one differ because of the deep freeze requirement In the transportation element of pfizer is invested in new technology. That are shippers that allow them to be in dry ice and stay stable in that dry ice for an extended period of time. When they're at the location they also have data that for five days. They can be within the existing refrigeration and freezer systems. Outside at the phrase that we have retail pharmacy. So as you look at the scheduling supply. That will happen here. These vaccines will be released based off a scheduled demand and they will go into these pharmacies in an allocation that attach to what will be used within the window that these vaccines can be used once. They're basically opens and so This is well thought out it's The infrastructure is there and again that scheduling capabilities. What's going to be really really important to manage to flow these vaccines. Give me the warm fuzzies time. It's listen it's a. It's building off existing capabilities an existing technology. The real difference. Here is that second dose that booster dose and that's where the ability to remind people and bring them back in within that window for the booster. That's what's going to be critical here to make sure that were successful going forward. How how tight is that window. David really is it. Like gotta be precise or is there. Is there a little play now. We tried it one way. I mean there certainly were some halts in the trial so there were people who were at twenty two twenty four twenty five days when it goes on a weekend. There were delayed. It's not that tight. I mean what we know is that you want a couple of week window. And that's what we call a prime in the immune system. If you do it too soon you don't get the benefit but you can wait an extra couple of weeks and we saw that with the shingles vaccine right. It was days zero and month. Threes with three month window plus might weeks either end did matter and we had very efficient ability to do in the country. What's unique about these. Vaccines is the coolest thing enrolling. You will love this andy. Slavic is that throughout history when we approve a drug at the fda or a vaccine that day we stopped collecting data going forward with this vaccine. There are mechanisms in place now than anybody can start to report how they feel. And what's going on so we will collect data after approval which you would say we should have been doing since the fda was established and we have never really done but the notion of using real world. Evidence is crazy powerful. And i'm glad we're finally doing it. That's great that is great. Do love that. I'm gonna play another voicemail. Hi andy this is reagan and charleston south carolina. My question is about the or The broader population including children. So i know there's a time line for adults to get vaccinated and hoping that over the next six months the majority of adults would be able to receive that How will teenagers and younger kids get vaccinated and will they need to be vaccinated if enough adults have been vaccinated in order to go back to school just trying to figure out how to get to some point and herd immunity. Thanks very smart question from reagan. David i yeah. I mean it's a great question. That's my son who you last saw. When he was literally like months old little fellow And is now a junior in college was told he can only come back in the fall if he has a flu shot. And i think what you're going to start to see. His universities are going to say. Hey listen you cannot come back unless you have a vaccine live nation. You know the biggest concert providing the united states said you can only go to a concert. If you have proof vaccine in the future. And i think that is crazy powerful. And i applaud them for doing that but i think what this question is also alluding to is that the clinical trials really did not focus on young individuals young kids and so they have not vaccinate six year olds. Five year olds four year olds that data's being started out the notion in the united states with regard to experimentation and it makes senses do adults i can tolerate side effects more. If it's totally safe and adults we then go to young children and so that's happening now. So young children will be the end of the chain in terms of vaccinations but it will be critically important for her to unity that they are vaccinated. Teenagers are they in the adult category. Or the or the children category. You know it's kind of like a different age cutoff whether it be twelve or sixteen depending on how you look at it But certainly anybody under the age of twelve will be in the later categories so. Get your fake. Id's kids and get in line at cvs with fake. Id's i see that happening in the cbs skies are very police that pretty well so instead of alcohol to get a vaccine. You don't go anywhere we've gotta go earn some money to donate to charity. Did you know that most successful portfolios typically include a diversified set of real estate does yours. If you don't know the answer you need to check fundraise fern -rises in investing platform. That makes it easy to invest. In high quality. High potential real estate fundraisers team real estate professionals carefully vets and actively manages all of their real estate projects. So you don't have to because obviously time for that with their easy to use website. 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They are risking their life their health the health of their family members through their job which is educating children who could be vectors of the virus just like when i see patients i m taking a risk so people who take risk and also see multiple they have the ability to spread also they should be early in the vaccine distribution and by all inclinations. I would hope that every governor reviews it as such and puts them high on the list. Great same question came in from phil myers about college and university professors. How do you feel about that. One was since. I am a college in university professor. I can't be an advocate for myself and open net. Yeah i mean listen anybody who is out there on the frontlines that is seeing large numbers of people. A day in part of their job involves helping others or doing something for others where they take risk. They should be vaccinated. I they don't have the ability of not taking that risk if they wanna help others. So we have to enable society function like that so frontline workers whether you're working a cash register at a grocery store whether you're driving a taxicab in an airport or university professor. You are taking a risk to help others and you should be vaccinated early in. The process is what i believe. We've test driven this prioritization through testing recall in the early stages the pandemic the prioritization of healthcare workers being tested than others. And so you know. Presenting ideas at the testing site became really important. Because you are gonna qualify. If you didn't have the right identification you're gonna see something relatively similar as you do the vaccines with populations being prioritized. In and as david indicated this this is all supply driven the more supply. There is the less of an issue there will be a Prioritization so you're probably looking at six two two six weeks to two months where prioritization comes really important and it has more supply becomes available. It moves to more general population that makes sense so One way or another. We're just talking about march versus may. Would i talking about twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty five. So hang tight. If you're not a teacher galindo teachers get vaccinated. Don't elbow them out someone Who wants to know allison miller. I'm curious how they will determine high risk individuals beyond the elderly those community living facilities and those with immune specific conditions such as those inactive cancer treatments etc additionally howard authorities going to assess confirm. Someone's high risk status so this really two questions here. One is this question about whether the acp. And or the governor's how will they make those determinations of high risk. But there's a second question which i think is interesting in applies to a lot of of this which is how. How do you confirm someone status. Someone comes in and says you know. I am risk. Here's why has that. We don't trust each other very much in this country we i. It's a great question. And i mean i don't i don't have the answers right now because we don't have the prioritization of who's come in and win Linked with the availability of supply and how significant that prioritization is gonna be But clearly in the first several categories there will be some form of identification needed to show in order to get the vaccine to meet deprioritization requirement. I mean obviously the data will will speak for itself so we know medical conditions and their risk for complication or hospitalization from covid nineteen. It's very transparent there. There've been a number of studies published in you look at that data. It's on the cdc website so that should be the hierarchy of need in that regard for. Put it account away that you know listen. The goal is to stopped better. This pandemic so much of the spread now is twenty and thirty year olds who are covid fatigue. One just vaccinate them first and tell people who were they know their high risk stand doors until we vaccinate them because then we stop spread of the virus. We're not gonna do that. But i'm just putting that out there is that it's not a simple hierarchy and how to do things here you know we're doing it if you're an african american your higher risk if your diabetes if you're overweight if we can go through the list here but when you look at the data close to sixty five percent of our country sixty five percent of our country of adults are considered high risk by these criteria mainly because we are a very large country. Yes i know what you mean by that david. This is the most important question is being asked. it's from someone named jan polander. It says will add a slavic get priority so we don't lose kovic info well there. There's a lot of talk about what to do with at a slavon. Part of the world says listen. Let him talk about more and more because he'll be educating in pushing if we don't vaccinate and part of his said we need him because he's doing a good job so we should vaccinate him early. You know depending on which day different aspects or winning. And i think it's gonna come down to the end and it may actually go for a recount. It is really tight at the present. Time who okay tom. I assume you have an opinion. I'll defer to david as the medical expert different. Okay question from joy hyme gartner. I wonder about how people who are typically highly exposed for example restaurant workers but who now are out of work interesting question so they're not connected to an employer will be prioritized. I feel like they may fall into a gap as not essential yet. They do need to get to work as soon as possible. Really interesting cases here. I think you're gonna find lots of these nuances and you know. Unfortunately we cannot be nuanced in how we do this. The hope is We didn't think we would have three vaccines to start with. So i think supply is going to be better you know the biggest problem is when you do. A manufacturing lot of vaccine. You never know what's really going to come out so we don't know the exact supply next three weeks five weeks because manufacturing right now it's been pretty variable in fact the first browns of the astra zeneca clinical trials. They actually dose the patients incorrectly because they calculated how much vaccine was actually in the vaccine. A sports in the vaccine. It's harder to do than you think. So the hope is these nuances. Don't matter right. i'd rather over vaccinate. If somebody tells me they're high risk. I would just personally vaccinate them. Rather than spending the time the energy arguing i would just vaccinated rather over vaccinate than under vaccinated in this regard and you know push his heart as we to get toward her immunity. I don't wanna go over in the nuances and said you're a day early go home. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't know how you feel tom. It's very interesting question when i will tell you. Is you know in in the agreements that we have signed with the federal government to administer vaccines. We are obligated to follow absolutely the prioritization. That set out by a cip. So if you come in and you don't meet that criteria we cannot backs nature so These positions and the follow through is can be really really important for folks understand and then to the question you raised earlier and you know. When are you going to know. The information systems to push out that now grew whatever is available and should be coming in getting that through. Psa announcements and other things is going to be really important for both the state and local as well as the federal government set. Have a a robust campaign around. Got it okay. So another question came in from leases spam pinocchio. She says i heard a while ago. That vaccine manufacturers were worried about raw materials for the glass files vaccine. Vials are supposed to be made with special sand and there could be a shortage is that you have to say that. We have the most intelligent listeners on the planet. Go lisa go lisa. Yes that is very true Believe it or not. The vaccine vials were limiting resource. It was a big decision to enable if the manufacturing companies the vaccine manufacturers dax us multidose vials. The thing about a multidose vials. You see we don't have enough data to know they could be stored you have to use the whole vile but multidose vials enables you to put ten fifty vaccines in one vial and draw them up as needed. So i think we've been addressing that it really goes to one of the critical questions to me one of the failings that we've had in this whole pandemic response is we've let it be a free market. So there are one hundred ninety five plus vaccines in development. Now each one of them did contracts for vials syringes. Four manufacturing and one hundred ninety of them. We're not going to need or they're not the highest quality and so you know. If we got intervention early we could have had more on the supply chain and managed rather than let it be a free market and the same is true in clinical trials. We had several thousand clinical trials very few complete because they all competed for patients instead of the united kingdom when they had their trials one trial in the country at a time and actually got things done which is how he got decks method. Sonal somebody of the treatments we have. Oh now you're being unpatriotic no now. I'm saying free market doesn't work in the time of the pandemic Listen at risk. Manufacturing was brilliant. We did an amazing job there in kudos to them for pushing early and choosing the right ones mean three working in a row. That ain't by chance that was some smart people choosing the right vaccines. Yeah marks at the fda did a great job but now it's funny one of the things i'd say in my book is we were either going to be i at something or last. We hate being second. We're just like we're going to be the best at it or we're just going to be horrible because that's just how we are. Okay chris. colin wants to know he's got a wife. She's of advanced maternal age and they're pregnant. Congratulations chris and to your wife. He wants to know whether or not it's going to be safe to vaccinate a pregnant mother or a new mother and baby. I think we talk about baby already so he believes that he read that. The vaccines have not been tested on pregnant women very true. We're not gonna vaccinate. Pregnant women in the beginning certainly makes sense which is part of the reason we need herd immunity anywhere where you could affect the fetus. Even though it's hypothetical it's just not worth taking that risk so we all every single citizen of this country has to step up to protect them and so this is a new notion. It's not just caring about yourself. It's carrying about others. Were all going to step up and give accidents or pregnant. Women don't have to take a risk so babies don't have to take a risk people getting cancer treatment auto mutual don't have to take risks. We have to be one community. Which is you know. I think critically important and maybe the positive that comes out of this horrible pandemic is we think of other people. I just got the fuzzy skin. You do it too often. It's gonna hurt your reputation softy. how old is too old. My mom is ninety. Two and has a pacemaker. She susceptible to pneumonia when she gets a cold but she lives independently in pretty good shape for age. What do you think david. I don't think any old is too old. Hopefully you're mother's got another decade. Plus you know to enjoy life and spend time with family. what we learned in this study with oxford vaccine in the pfizer. The data pretty clear is at elderly respond remarkably well after one shot. They're significantly below twenty thirty year old but by two shot they catch up an equal them and do really really well and again with the lower side effect profile. So your mother needs to be one atop stores on a win. Her time is called to get her vaccine. That's right that's right. Ninety two is the new sixty two there you go. Okay jen dolan. I want to know if the four so states that have been selected as i run for distribution for the pfizer vaccine will all the residents of those states be able to receive vaccine or will it still be limited. A certain populations misunderstanding. On what that. I run means it is essentially a dry run of the ordering system tracking system supply system. And so it's not real vaccine going. It is empty bottles. Moving around is part of it. But it's really just a dry run test. Run of the systems across the board and kudos for them for doing a dry run. I think it's awesome yet exactly. Yeah yeah okay. I met who which ones of the three of us one was attended for. Will you personally be vouching for the safety. And efficacy of the vaccines. Who do you trust. I am one who is mistrustful of the kurdish administration. A need to know the process of approval and the oversight of the whole distribution machine. For safety this is a trust but verify person. I mean i'll start. I mean what. I can tell you. Tell you all tell. The listeners is the six or so months that we have been deeply engaged in all this. The folks involved in this are a political. They're dedicated professionals their career serving officials. And if you look at the work. The operation worked. Three team has done These career military folks who are experts in logistics and distribution I will be. I'll be alive for the vaccine. Absolutely great how about you david. I think you're gonna see Both pfizer and astrazeneca probably approved in the united kingdom and potentially the eu before the us So again that takes some. You know just can't be a political. Us if it's approved were i And no question. I am familiar very familiar with both the pfizer data and the the astrazeneca university data. And i think they're fantastic. And i will get either one of them today. The modern data. Not as familiar with so. I can't say at the present time. But i assume it's going to be as good as the others got in case you were asking me I am not an authority. But good news is i have lot of friends like david and they all are saying the same thing that david saying and i assure you that i hear differently. Indeed here's differently. You'll make sure to say so because there's no point in not having this completely transparent for everybody Because it's so important. And i just want to throw a commercial in. This is just a great discovery science. This is the greatest invention of mankind. These are things that i could never understand how we could take for granted Alive in the sixties we would have seen millions of kids dying from the measles in the early sixties before measles vaccine so We live in a different age when we can do something like this. And it's incredibly powerful. We'd have radically different as you know. In in the early eighteen hundreds a good percentage of the world was dying of smallpox. And this guy. Edward jenner noted that women with milk cow pox in their arm and not dying. They could take care of people a smallpox he goes. The king of england goes. I wanna stick a needle in draw. Pus out of their arm and injector. That people in king kicks him out. Well the next day the kinks in. Check your son. And i'll know you really believe in. He did and number two through eleven. Who got that vaccine. The first vaccine ever where the royal family so to get normative behavior change. You need leadership. The king stepping up and going after jenner son and taking a vaccine was a remarkable step of leadership. I hope that our leaders step up here. And i hope they show the way to show people from every discipline. So i'm talking about leaders in a church in a family in A a a state. The government all different kinds of leaders. I really am calling for all of them to step up and to get that change that we can all be vaccinated and help each other. We all have to be a part of this whether you're the ceo of accompany show your employees. You're doing this. We all have to step up be a role model. That's great last. Question may or may not have been from zack. Will the shot hurt. Damn straight little her. There's an amazing thing. I mean allergy called the danger response the more it hurts the more potent your immune response and so it's a needle. Unfortunately we have to pierce the skin and put it into the muscle in the end. There's an immune response there so you may have a sore arm for a day. But after a day or two there are no more side effects right. You may get a little fever chill. And that's your immune response. I cheer when that happens. I don't cheering because you're suffering. But i'm hearing because you're having a great immune response and we need that to protect you. So it'll hurt but let's let's all get through it. It won't hurt that much. I made the mistake. It was a horrible mistake one year. My kids hated shots. Their doctors kids. They hate shot so in the middle of the night i went into the room and gave them a flu shot while they were sound asleep. It was literally the stupidest thing i've ever done and they didn't talk to me first weeks afterwards in closing first of all. Thank you both so much for really explaining this to the public. I think this will be mentally helpful to people was helpful to me. Thank you also tom. For your role in warp speed and in making sure that we are thinking this through all the way from start to finish doing dry runs We investing staff time Your where people don't always sing with this way but cvs workers are frontline workers. They are putting themselves in danger showing ups there. I can't treat any patient with cvs. They wouldn't have any drugs. So thank you to all your workforce for all that you've done you'll continue to do and david You just a gem. Your immense resource. You always have been but can't cash one question. I forgot to ask before tom. Are your employees going gonna wear. Ppe when they do this they are. Yeah absolutely and that's that's so to the state issue We're not going to be given an allocation directly to vaccinate our our vaccinators and so they have to be identified as priority within the state allocations To be vaccinated. Hopefully before they go out and do the vaccinations or as part of the process of doing it so wearing the and others until they're fully vaccinated will be critical to get them comfortable but also folks who are getting vaccinated to have them comfortable as well. We'll so much guys. Thanks for the time this great. Thank you all right. Good see you to take you got it have a great holiday. Dake you for listening in. Let me tell you about the next shows quickly. Laurie garrett on wednesday you will find her fantastic. She is a spitfire very opinionated about what's been going on with the pandemic. Then we have to incredibly useful podcast very interesting. 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