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Homecoming (ep 41.)

Fantasy Theatre

36:18 min | 2 years ago

Homecoming (ep 41.)

"The beginning of the podcasts always wanted my least favorite things to come up with not destroy not to do the same thing every week, Joe help me out. Here's my name. I'm Vincent Foster. This is fantasy theater. You know, see what else can we do long ramble, lots of adjectives, and that's Joe? Bell, also known as bussing feathers old fuss at betters excuse me since. Good. That's good perfect. It's episode. Forty one. What do you expect, you know, share over forty people stop expecting things from we learned that last week last week, you know, there, there can only be so many different ways to open a guest, let's say, but we have the best one. So I change it. Right, right. Absolutely. I tell you, what I do envy, your name, though, fuss and feathers. No, not fuss and feathers. I'm talking about Joe. Yes. Sure. Talking about Joe yet. No, I love strong one syllable names. Name many DD characters one strong syllable names. I didn't didn't even know had this passion until recently, Joe. But I didn't you go by Spence speak because that's. Not strong said that piece aound is really awful. And I think I subconsciously know that for years now if I go through like a drive through or ordering food over the phone and I say my name, nobody ever hears it the first time ever I've gotten Victor. I've gotten Richard, I think subconsciously I just cower when I say Spencer, it's like. It's like foster is spent Spencer Spencer in just tonight. Joe bell just tonight. Okay. Joe, Joe would never have this from denied him ordering food. I say, you know, who's the workforce, sir. It's for Spencer. He says, sorry could you spell that? SP and cer he's like. Can you tell me one more time? It's loud in here and I said, just call me Jack. Call me Jack borders for Jack just like I don't think that's what you said. But okay, we'll go. It doesn't matter. Just I will say Jack when I enter, you'll know that's my food. That's how it works. Don't come Jack though, not you why does she go buy thoughts? Fosse fosse. Fosse verdon. I could do that Haas. You know, you don't know me, none of them. School is Joe. Well, what can be I got that going for me to Joe bell? How has your week been man F fill? It's only been like six days as we recorded. But that's been a monumental six days, lot's been going on especially for you. Nothing that work or am I house has been terrible? We had a near death experience at your house. We can't gloss over that. We tried to. We tried to in the moment. Joe bell had to recruit possibly the worst person in the world. For the job. He had Zoli option bad option, and we almost perished fish and that. That kind of goes into my CVC, which is cheap. Things are good free. Things are not what'd you get those? Oh. Apple's of free free things that I tried this week that went very badly. Give it to me number one free labor. Trying to do something I should've fired somebody long time ago to do. I've been working on it all week almost killed Spencer almost died myself several times. We won't we'll move on. I've got another one YouTube music. I'm driving down the road. I downloaded YouTube music. You know what I want? I won't listen to new stuff. The Eldorado radio is kind of wearing thin. I need seat. Only took five years, five years, but I think it's branch out so download you to music. And I turn my phone off and the music stops. Now wondering what's going on open again? And it says, hey, and we noticed you're doing the free version of YouTube music. One thing we didn't tell you up front is that you can never turn your phone off. When you have that you can never said down. You can never leave you to music to look at other stuff. So they're like, do you want to try the free trial? Maybe very angry nother free thing that didn't work out. A video game called brawl Hala. This is a super smash. Brothers rip off. Online is actually very popular is terrible. Absolutely awful. The only good free game ever has been fortnight. You really you really Jonesen. I smash brothers does a few days ago. Joe, Tex me, this beaten up picture of switch, would no controllers. He's like can I make it work? Do you think do you think should pay hundred fifty dollars for this have no controls, then docking station? Yes. So literally can't chart. Yeah. Many subconsciously download it but I downloaded a lot of free games like that. And it just popped up. And I was try it. But that's why you have the free version of YouTube. That's why you get free labor is because you can't even by yourself. Switch because you wanna buy switch. That's why you do doing all the free stuff. Save money for that, right? When you put it that way, you put it that way. It's all worth free stuff is the best. They could Bank. You know when you texted me that picture, you know, where I was I was at midway Baptist church at their homecoming. Midway Baptist churches where it has a church a homecoming all churches have homecoming especially Baptist churches. What does that mean? Oh, yeah. You know, if you used to go to that, shirts when you were younger, or if you you went to that church when you were adult she got mad at him because like God. I didn't I read that page differently than you in the left. And then they come back five years later, I forgot what I was mad about let's eat. You know that's what the homecomings are. So, anytime. Somebody just comes visit or they have to re become a member. Oh, no, no, no. Like they have a once a year they have homecoming once a year and people that used to be members can come back. And visit they usually have an old, pastor something. Come and do it or they have a an old singer. That used to be they're coming saying, there's no pressure, if they left for the logical reasons they don't have to. Oh, no. It's like it's like a birthday for the church can get behind that podcast. I'm coming sure. When I leave. Cuse later. We'll revisit. Anniversary. Great. Yeah. So midway bad is church. I think they probably have about fifteen members fifteen members. This is the first church, I was ever at some grandmother, gives me a call to kiss me this guilt trip. It's like I got nobody to take me to the homecoming. Ooh, sort of off everything. So me and my wife take both the grandmothers we go to the Sunday. I was like, there'll be about thirty people there. And it'll be their highest attended Sunday of the year. Sure enough, there's about thirty five. Tell you what is pastor wouldn't care if he was talking to it was. It was a ninety minute service. I would I thought you just had food. Why are they doing a service? There's a full service thirty started at ten thirty. I got out of there to go to the food at twelve it less cheatin- look you know, I was raised in a Baptist church. I am programmed to sit in a pew for an hour. If you start going bass that our, I start I started making comments little bitty church like this everyone here. I want to give you a sample of one of the or the comments, I made leaned over and made sure the people behind me to what are the things he said, is how much would you pay for righteousness, and I leaned over, and I said, pay a lot less than for this to be over. Pretty good. Yeah. Does anybody smile in these situations or chuckle or they just stone face? Well, I didn't really look behind me. I didn't hear anything all they probably thought it was going straight to the fiery pits. Honestly. But one of the things that this guy, kept harping on was the idea that hell is bad. This war of his main points of ninety minutes could afford me. Hell is a bad place and you don't wanna go there that was one of the statements are you going to be there because maybe about preaching to the choir? He's been like five minutes on that, just like the little topic. And it's like yeah. Man hill is literally what every other bad places compared to it is the standard of evil in awful suffering and experience. And he just he starting needed explain. It was bad. So is he's saying this, because there are some people he's worried or like you know what hell. Thought about it, and really. I mean compared to like it's rate it. Yeah. Attornal. Suffering gotta tell me hills, Ben need to see it from self. The Hollywood hill was banning. Or is he just making sure that people keep that in the front of mind when they're doing their, their lion out would be more okay, more okay with it? If he started every summer like that, you'll start every sermon like that. That's okay. You walk into the pool pit you say, hey, my name's John the pastor and HALE is bad, like that's fine. And we'll get out your hills bad cards, please. We're going to punch. One more. For the homecoming you guys get to you. You have to get fifty these or you go to hell and two years. I like that. We should have our own church. You fancy theater church. Okay. We're not gonna call the fancy theater. No, no just a weekly event where people get together one person talks. We'll take turns talking, we will still we don't want to like changes search too much. So Seth to have f not one of those I modern churches like freedom today church. Breaker of chains. Judge? Erica. Love to all nondenominational trademark. Those one of those that had somehow has the money for like the fanciest new building. Their windows are so nice. Are they have like all these parking spaces and stuff? Have you ever been to one of those? Jesus didn't have shoes, but you can make those partners base. Go man. Gum. Yeah. Thought about that once or twice. Have you ever been whether searches? Yeah. Few times, Ben college. Yeah. Sure. I like that. They had coffee around coffee and donuts. Brought me back. They're brought me back. Couple of weeks in college. That was basically one of my five meals for the week was coffee and donuts did work that in whatever I stole from the, the funerals. You know, lots of good spreads the funerals lots of good spreads. You know, I always hated the subways families like look I know you're grieving, but do better. Do a little better for for mama. Sarah. Okay. She wouldn't want this. Does you ever? If you don't have to say because you ever go to church where the pastor had like a serious. Some. I don't know what is what call it like I went to church. Bagging South Carolina, those very, very popular. And the pastor was like this reform, like, really bad, dude, he was like saves drinking all the time. And doing okay, I'll get all kinds chase of the Lord changed. Everything turns out he was still doing. No half the churches have been to my pastor's been my father. So, yeah. That's that's leader for another podcast. What I like are those guys that used to have a life like that? And then they come back with this testimony. Okay. Testimony testimony servants. But what I love in, in most of them will say this, they'll say now you might hear my story and you say, wow. Wonderful testimony. He know what would be a better testimony, somebody that never did that stuff. And they just always think it's the first time it's ever been there. Just like listen to this regional idea, let it soak in let wash over you. I'm so fantastic. But hey, glory to someone else. Okay. Laura to the board. The boring people. I guess I gotta CVC too. You too, that you want to hear. Yeah. A little late for it. You've got like you. You have like six minutes. Do your CVC out, no remove on. That's what the pod is now, Joe we're not structured, this isn't rigid. You don't say the whiteboard I got to the I ten ary Joe last night. I presented three power points. And my weekly meeting. Different power points. No, I don't want any more structure. I just wanna go just let me loose, then I had to do a fourth for the staff meeting. Way you got another meeting on top of the five to seven. Got a monthly staff meeting. Now that was lunch. Thank goodness that wins at lunch. Yeah. Had to do a staff meeting PowerPoint based on the things that are talked about the PowerPoint swith the executive team. I just stayed list. I understand. All right. Let me break. CBC. I saw John wick this weekend. Home from homecoming got back to residents, like, I'm going to see John wick dadgum. It's been out like two or three weeks. John wick, just like the perfect action movie just perfect action movie, two hours of just popcorn baby. It was good. It was great. But, you know this John wake is called para bellum pair bellum means Joe bell. You studious mind. Para. Bellum para. Bellum. Latin. During war. Oh close close. It's called it's a prepare for war. So, you know, in the movie there's a line, you know, famous line. Whatever if you want peace prepare for war, but, you know, thankfully, a lot of us, don't have to, to be little war. We're not John wick. We're not we're not assassins. But how can we break down a statement like that for everyday lives, Joe? How can we what I was going to say is expect to be challenged? Prepare for challenge. Joe bell. You got to be ready for somebody to walk in home walk in your home and throw down the air conditioning repair. Gauntlet and say you you'll be challenged if you're not prepared Joe bell. You're gonna feel silly silly just like we felt silly. When we almost dropped a two hundred pound air-conditioning on my neck. Going up a ladder, and I could've fallen off letter on top. That would have been worse. Yeah. That would have been bad in the bottom of air conditioning. What they don't tell you. They're consistent school. This sharp into, which we would. Prepared? I was there for six months. They didn't tell me it was gonna be sharp. They didn't tell me my neck was going to be my Adam's. Apple was gonna be rubbing up against a blade install the thing. I didn't forgotten CVC anyway, prepared to be challenged pair shallan, if you know if you have. You know if you have you prepared this week how Joe bell been been. How did John wick change your day to day trying to tell listeners to change their life? Let me tell you besides doing all these PowerPoint s- prepared to be challenged by my bosses. That's what I was prepared to be challenged for trying to make all this power points. Get ahead of the game. I figured out. That's a marketing champion. I've got an award that says that I'm literally a marketing champion. But I'll tell you and there's no Astros on that war. Absolutely discussed this. Absolutely not has nothing to do with relationships or anything of that nature or NATO's awards on who you know what you do what you do in what you deserve. Every word is legitimate. Right. When I received now the what we're talking about your CVC. I'm being challenged prepare to be challenged prepared. How are you? How will you prepare this week? You know what I do? I look at I, I look at pictures every day of local radio. Jockey's just stare at them. Most of them are smiling, I'm thinking I would eat you alive. I would eat you alive. And I would order my intestines to not kill you. I would wait two or three days, I would wait to that waste comes out 'cause God knows they don't have any nutrients for my body. All that's gonna be waste once that waste comes out. I'm gonna mold that waste back into their rigid form. So you get a mold your waist into the disc jockey, and then eat it the needed to Kent, man. That's that's good. Yes, I'll prepare Joe. Don't even don't even try and challenge your side to child right there, read it you were ready and I'm nervous. I don't wanna get. I'm mind getting eaten. I don't want my waist. I'm the whale in your Jona. Is bake Asian bible school time around town EPS? I see the kids walking hand in hand going going up the galley or whatever they call it now, I'll you know what? I never went to VS, but I did go to this thing called, man. We got church stores every week. It was called like why us Kuku? There's laws that a national thing. Yeah. Yeah. One is that they didn't come little small town until after I was too old for it man was tight. They gave you little badges. It was like Jesus, boy scout. Exactly. Definitely christian. Boy scouts. Yeah. Cool, once I killed it. I bet you would definitely boy scout. Yeah. I wish I wish I'd stayed with that. But I cut out early in eagle scout note. Yeah. Two days, they were like, don't even get this guy. Make him judge other people as a big fan of BBS miss it. Go back to be Bs as a principal vacation bible school who kid man, that'll be a founding principle of. Fancy theater church adult vacation cruise we'll have crafts. Yeah, we'll have a snags that relate to the story, we learned that day, you know, we'll have those long pretzels. If we learn about the serpent garden of Eden, he'll be great. Okay folks, we learned never to challenge Spencer, this macaroni and cheese representation him. Spitting out your human ways and you're regurgitating. Classic. That'll be the Noah's ark anyway. Let's do we have advice advice column? Yeah. Yeah. It some advice for you know, they need advice from you. Please give them ready. Okay. Let me look for the letter, I'm firing on all cylinders baby is your by the way, is your air conditioner fixes it fire in on also unders- a new? Okay. No sugata. Su SU Gad's some things on the checklist. The checklist working with a experienced. HEC expert not doing any of this own. They gave me some scientists that I'm taking. I'm taking care of, you know, I'm trying to do this take a little longer, you know longer than I thought. But anyway, yes, this is weird to whom it may concern. This is Jude. I'm currently board. The s s Quint an apocalypse preparation silo hidden away in the far reaches of the Canadian wilderness bid for Jalen each crew. Member takes two week long shifts and then is cryogenically frozen for forty years. Entertainment, is slim, and we are all alone during our shifts back on the mainland. I was what you would call a thespian before my first silo shifts back in nineteen thirty nine I was a member of the grand duchess theatre on my on my first shift. I listened to masterpiece theatre. I guess that would be nineteen seventy nine during this shift. I found fancy theater. As meant the world to me. My shift is in tomorrow, and I need to hit the ground running forty years from now. I'm sure both of you will be dead. Then so what do you think the theater experience will be then me dead chewed? Oh, jude. You don't know me at all. Let me tell you about the theater experience. Let me tell you how a little known podcast in our world. Today. Trend sins theater forty years from now. So you're okay, so you're saying regulars theater masterpiece theatre fantasy theater fantasy theater. Really? Only fantasy theater their only ever was. We have engulfs all those other forms of theatre in entertainment, as a whole people don't even use the word music anymore. Now they just talk about the beginning of fantasy theater. Yeah. It's like Bach a mos- art are if I try and say anymore names, it'll be a painter one of those guys, you know. So let me tell you Jud exactly what it'll be like forty years from now take a journey with me. Forty years from now. Fantasy theater will be on episode two thousand one hundred twenty still just as young as the day. She was out of the womb, Marie. Show. Joe will have long best way with his last words being, I was not happy to be here. I Spencer revealed to be the best immortal among sapiens. No homo. We'll still have the body. He has a twenty-seven with more definition than Webster's childhood diary entry about the time. The Ying Yang twins knocked him down for insisting you can't rhyme. Soft with soft up tonight. Yin Yang twin hits out there. All right. But two thousand fifty nine I will simply imagine the emotions, I want my listeners to feel then determine their their, their ordering intensity levels before releasing the episode into the neural net. Present amongst all living into tease this includes plants to plants. Get down with fantasy theater in twenty fifty nine listeners will then be able to download the fever dream that is an episode of fantasy theater into special syringe made of cotton candy and dandelions seeds. Once downloaded. Seeds in the syringe, the syringe is made of cotton candy and then blind see. Oh that's a shell. This harass your mind is thinking of the syringes of today's world imagining the syringes of forty years from now, they look around our syringes, the neural network doesn't even desribe a plastic think. Our container. There's no place. It's a whole new form. All the plastic has gone to the ocean where it belongs. There are no more oceans or no more dolphins. They were useless. Once downloaded they distracted people from us. That's right. What's downloaded but Tron patrons are betray its patrols now in twenty fifty whatever we saw doubt loaded patrols may inject the episode into their bloodstream or they will immediately experience everything with the most acute accuracy of what the host desired are. Art on demand. People will appreciate the experience in wait patiently for the next more Soule of alignment, generously bestowed by the immortal one, you know, more or less that, okay. So for was this guy's name, Jude. Jude, sir, for the my fame, I assume Jude, that's great. So I guess he's an apocalyptic silos will he still be? We don't know where he is. And I'm sure they're self sufficient, this whole point silo. So does he give me connected on the neural network of the plants? You said his Lance root system, they taught each other anyway. Joe bell. You still thinking small, and as someone who's gonna diet forty two at subway. Please. I can see why you're not thinking far enough ahead. And that's okay. I want you to know no-one here's judging you that you can't get it. You know. Looking down on, you know. As such a great vacation bible. School thing man your natural. It was Joe mill. Oh, did you pray for me to die at subway? That's so such a great thing. You need to die, you need to die in line like it doesn't need to be the food, and needs to be right before you get the food. It's like, oh. What? They're already in such autopilot, when they see me, they probably just make it any people stepping over man. That's what makes it worse. It was the quickest way anyone ever gets a subway sandwich. But it wasn't quick enough for you. That day. There'd be some sad people do. Yeah. We play DND and your art or we would. Oh, I guess you gotta you want some advice you wanna give some advice. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Well, this is a simple, not necessarily a simple question. But it's it's short to the point. This is from job in New Orleans. Michigan, you ready? Okay. Job wants to know he says Joe bell. I won't insult you by saying your life depends on this question. But what I will say is that your dogs lives? Depend on this. Okay, ready? Now. That's different. Yeah. You ready? Okay. Up for them. You have one year to become the best in the world at anything one year, you must pick what that, that skill will be immediately. But you have one year to be the best in the world at something or your dogs lose their lives. What do you pick? In that moment you have one year to practice. What do you pick Joe Bill? One year to probe in New Orleans, Michigan needs to know. And I have to be the best in the world if to be the best in the world after a year Stein, okay? There's a lot of stuff that I could practice over a year and not even be close to the best in Louisiana. Yeah. Like I don't know most. Everything. Like there's no video games unless it was like a random video game, which that would be kind. She say you know what I was really like I was very talented that when I was younger, I would walk outside, and I had a little like a wooden post go about ten feet, and I would walk on the post holding golf club on my index finger, and I would walk back and forth for like thirty minutes time without dropping it. So I would it would be something like that. I would pick something to balance on my finger and I would I would break the world record on it. If I practice everyday for year, I could break world ringer ballots. Yes. Yeah. Something heavy and long golf club broom cue stick QC may not be heavy enough bat. Anything already the gears are already turning like no on acoustic. And he'd something more more that, you know, better ratio. Don has been my life smash brothers and I lose. And then I'd be happy place mash brothers everyday. Sorry. Sorry listeners know though that will be cut out. You don't know what Joe's apologize for. I didn't cuss take the Lord's name vein, though, that has to be cut out, too. Get even looted that. No alluding here. He can't give me a belief Kayla Spencer, bleep Lee learned how to bleep for Spence. He can't get. Yeah. Keep all this got to know. Okay. You know if I'm allowed to do that. I think I should be I, I know that I'm very talented at. Goo like fun Severi quickly and Google, my wife, she'll look for something like thirty minutes giant on this. Not I search says more about her than, you know, it happens a lot of people people to work. I just some natural at it. I, I know exactly what to type into the algorithm. They're not searching for the right things. That's the point. Yeah. I know what is searched for. That's why. It's talent NASA town. It doesn't matter if it's a good talent Spencer. There's a lot of good talents. I need to be the best in the world. So my dogs don't go ahead. Name anything else. Maybe for let's you can say you're better at it. I can do that. Yeah. I do that. That. All right. A lot of pride issues. Got to work out NBS my friend comes before the fall, there's gonna be a pride badge favorite season. There's going to it's going to be a FOSS badge the foster badge and you have to you have to show a humble spirit for seven days in a row. And then you get that, you know, if someone came to be with that question, and be like, I don't need brags. Let's go right now. Can't do the test right now. I'd be like. Unfulfilled potential, and they would just be like, okay, your life's good. You're right. You, you got us. Yeah. Guy didn't think that crap clearly the best in the world. Potential though. We got anything left. No, I don't. Ooh listeners have had enough probably I do want to mention Joe bell. We gotta talk about. We got talk about what we're going to do with football man. We gotta talk about. It's coming up. Coming up, June baby, the calendars turned. Yeah. We gotta talk about it. Let's split off was branch off. Bring more people in so they can do that for me. I just keep doing my thing. Hey, let's throw it out there, any listeners out there, if you want to do the foot football podcast with let me know let me know I'm gonna do additions. Oh my gosh. Dishes on the show. How awesome would all dishes be great? If I just trolled every single woman that came in like I didn't even let them start. I was like I don't really like how you're sitting there, could you leave? Are in the in the sheet, I just need just like Julio Jones is way okay in the job description, put something like I don't care how you sound or how you talk are how intelligent you put together sentences or or if you can not say, oh over again. I just need to shut up and listen to me like that's just the whole job description. They need to be able to talk long enough to get interrupted. That's the key to rang football podcast, Spencer soppy, there ever made a catch my breath. Give Keizo water. Oh, the panic and job as is. Reach. You talk about football. He was at a random. Minnesota Vikings second street receiver. I grabbed the water bills they wear purple yet. Oh, great moments. Fancy theater. We should do greatest hits show. One week we've, we've earned that. Yeah. All forty one hours splice together to greatest seven. Let me know when he got it finished. If we get that the. No or whatever his name was Moses Jude, Jude yet judo do it. We look bad guy. Judas the guy who wrote the Email. The one that you spent seven minutes writing we had to Paul's remember Kayla Bernard. You said I mean the bible. Jude Judas Judas. Yeah. Judas is. Yeah. Judas was one of the main battles. But hey, without Judas the whole story, don't happen marine. Yeah. You gotta have villains. There's no conflict story making one oh one store making one oh one. We'll see everyone at fancy, the vacation bible school coal in adults. July tenth. That's when that starts kickers.

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Fall Guide And What's Making Us Happy

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Fall Guide And What's Making Us Happy

"This message comes from. Npr sponsor samsung with the samsung galaxy. Z fold three five g. You can schedule at it and build presentations in a snap or take notes with the spn. Five g connection and availability may vary check with carrier. This fall in culture is like no other. some kovin interruptions are over and some are ongoing and that's on top of the significant changes in media habits and industry practices and audience tastes. That have been going on for years but as always we are here to bring you some of the things we're most interested in checking out and talking about this fall whether you read it watch it or listen to it. I we wanna make sure you know about it. I'm stephen thompson. And i'm linda home and today on npr's pop culture happy hour. We're talking about some of the movies. Tv shows albums and books. We are most looking forward to this fall here with me in steven from his home. Studio bunker is glen well of npr's culture desk glenn and also with us of course is our own isha harris. Hey sean linda hello so. I don't have a lot of setup today. We're just going to dive right into some recommendations for this fall. You know what fall is. You know what books are in what. Tv is and what movies are reach. Gonna give to recommendations and glenn. I'm going to start with you. What did you pick or my first pick. Is everybody's talking about jamie. This is a musical coming to amazon prime on september seventeenth. It is the adaptation of a very successful west end musical that was in turn adapted from a british tv documentary about a sixteen year. Old drag queen in england stars. This kid named max harwood who you're going to be hearing a lot from in the coming years now. Okay on the surface. This is queer. Kid comes of age doting mother. Distant father triumphs over homophobia triumphs over bullies has a big moment of self actualization credits and that is a formula It's a formula for a reason because it's a lot of kids lived experience but it is very familiar. The smart thing this movie does as it's not about the kid coming out. He's out from the jump it's about him learning to become a drag queen and by extension him wanting to be the star of the show all the time and treating those around him like they're less than he is which is exactly what the opening number and i think it's fair to say this kick ass opening number called and you don't even know it is all about just fantastic now. I'm not going to say too much about it now because we are hoping to devote an episode to it once it out but for now just know that there's a thread in this thing of a queer kid. Negotiating a place for himself in the world as opposed to just rejecting the world which gives it kind of an extra layer That is everybody's talking about jamie on amazon prime this september seventeenth all right. Thank you very much glen. Well then i've heard about that one. I am eager to see it. Asia you have a pick. Oh wait it's also musical. Oh i was just gonna say music And you know actually kind of love this moment. We are in because we've had so many musicals so many relative to other genres anyway. You had obviously in the heights. Last year we had the problem which was very good and This fall we have diana the musical which is going to be sort of the same way. Hamilton was filmed its theatrical production filmed for streaming. But the thing that. I am most curious about it. Excited to see is tick tick boom which at for those who are not familiar with it. It started off as a one man show by jonathan larson. It's and he's the creator of rent. It came out before rent happened before rent exploded and it semi-autobiographical it's about a man who's about to turn thirty and who's questioning his decision to attempt to become a musical theater composer he feels. He's a failure. There's some of companies on heinz company in there and there's a lot of references in the music to sondheim at who was a sort of a mentor to jonathan larson before he passed away. And i've always had a very big soft spot for this musical. So i'm curious to see how it translates to the screen in part because lemon law miranda heard of him is behind this movie. He's directing it and it stars. Andrew garfield as jonathan. We also have alexandra. Shipp as susan and robin day. His seuss michael. The cast also includes vanessa hudgens. Joshua henry judith. Light bradley whitford like greg ads. So i'm very curious super excited. I hope it's that's tick tick boom and it's going to be in theaters on november twelfth and then streaming on netflix november nineteenth. Thank you very much asia. I have to say you talked about all those musicals. And you forgot to mention that you can now watch a version of cinderella that starts the townspeople all singing rhythm nation. Thank you very much isha stephen thompson. What did you well. I have two challenges in talking about fall music. One is that absolutely every major pop star in the world is releasing an album and two. They haven't announced the release dates yet. So trying to figure out who's putting out an album win. When every week there is a massive. Massive major release is a bit of a challenge. There is a kendrick. Lamar recently dropped a single with baby keen called family ties. He has been kind of portending a new album on instagram. For some time now adele has been hinting at new music for some time. Ciza has been dropping a single here single there. there may be a new ciza. There is for sure gonna be a new abba album. The first aba record in forty years is dropping november fifth. It's called voyage. It is going to accompany a tour of uncanny valley. Virtual abba members matar's. They're calling them when they mess to record the creepy creepy versions of themselves. That form this abitur. They decided to record the first new aba record in forty years. It's called voyage out november fifth in terms of actually playing a song that is out in the world from an album that is presumably dropping. This fall. I'm very very excited to see the return of lizardo lizardo. Put out a wonderful record. A few years ago called because i love you and then really disappeared for a while dropped off twitter kind of went radio silent and dropped a new single with cardi b. called rumors. Let's actually here a little bit of that. So the fall is absolutely festooned with new album releases. Its just going to continue. Probably well into october or in the case of abba november. So that is just a kind of brief overview of the onslaught that awaits us is on what a lot of music to listen. Thank you very much stephen. So here's my first pick. The netflix limited series made is ten episodes long. It is based on stephanie. Lands book made hard work low pay and a mothers will to survive. That's made ma. Id it stars margaret qualley. Who you might know from anything from Once upon a time in hollywood to fosse verdon. She's an interesting young actress. Who's been kind of popping up in various different things for a while. She is the lead here. She is in practically. Every scene of this and sheep plays a young single mother who takes her little daughter to try to get away from her boyfriend. And she's not playing stephanie. Land specifically even though stephanie lands book is a memoir she's playing a different character. It's one of those words kind of based on the ideas that came out of the book so after she leaves the boyfriend she winds up getting into working as a maid. But more than that. What this series is about is about the mechanics of being poor so a lot of what it is concerned with is. What is it like to try to deal with. Different systems of government assistance. What is it like to actually try to use those forms of assistance out in the world. What are the requirements. It sounds like i mean it sounds makes things sound boring when you say like. It's part of. It's about paperwork but part of it is about paperwork. It has a as. I said margaret qualley and she is the real life daughter of andie macdowell. An andie macdowell plays her mother. In this andie mcdowell if you've been watching her has been having a really kind of interesting career progression whereafter this kind of ingenue moment. She now you know she did this. Really cool and interesting appearance in in the second magic mike movie where people were like the and i think i think you'll be interested to see her in this. This also stars a nica. Nonni rose who is good in everything. i think. I'm brushing up against the embargo. But it's a secret whether i liked it still. I'm just going to tell you i. I am interested in seeing how people react to it. It is coming out on october first on net flicks and that is my first pick. Now we go to glen for his second pick. Glenn what is your second pick. A second pick is a film called may day which is coming to theaters. I'm afraid which. But it's coming through theaters october first and i'm just going by the trailer here. I wanna make that clear. I haven't seen it. But i am intrigued. Its debut movie written and directed by karen shinora about a young waitress who escapes from her abusive boss by climbing into a restaurant stove and finds herself on an island. That is home to a group of young women who live on a beached submarine and use the submarines radio to lower world war. Two soldiers to their deaths now look. It's a formula for a reason right now. Critics who sought at sundance are a pretty much down the middle. All of them praised the look And when once you check out the trailer you will to The tone the premise but about half of them said it doesn't answer the questions. It raises which i'm going to guess are many. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. I don't know but check out the trailer and tell me you're not intrigued. That his mayday in theaters october. First okay thank you. Very much glen. Well then mayday. October first asia. It looks like you also have a movie up for your second pick. Oh yes i do. So i watched maybe the first seven or eight cycles of america's next top model I was obsessed with it. I loved it. I still quote tyrez saying we're all rooting for you. Do we all that was like my one. My one four way into fashion other than that. I don't know anything about fashion. I don't get fashion world. I think it's cold up more into it. But i don't understand it. But yet i am. Very fascinated by house of gucci is going to be indicators on november twenty fourth. Because you've got lady gaga. You've got adam. Driver do jared leto. Jeremy irons summa. Heck al pacino. This cast now often giant blockbuster casts like this do not necessarily mean that the movie is going to be any good and this movie might not be good. But i'm hoping it'll be at least a very fun mess because i it's it's selling very dramatic story. It's got some based off. The trailer has very ryan murphy. Esque feel to it. And maybe i'm just placing that on him. Because i'm thinking of the jani for saatchi show he did. And then the fact that lady gaga has worked with him but lady. gaga's playing patrizia. Reggiani and adam driver is playing maurizio. Gucci and patrizia reggiani was married to gucci who at the time was like the head of obviously up gucci And she apparently hired someone to kill him. And so it's it's got murder it's got it's got lady gaga doing even more dramatic than we saw her doing a star is born so i'm just really excited to see how fund and messy and perhaps who knows not that great movie will be but it looks fabulous. It sounds loud is in it. It's going to be loud. it's going to have a a kind of a sketchy accent. But i mean this trailer grabbed most people in six words. Those six words being father son on house of gucci. Which sounds like she's a vampire but you know what i'm in the close. It's nothing else. All right fascinating house of gucci november twenty fourth. My second pick is a book. I don't wanna be the one who says that. I am always responsible for bringing up and coming writers previously. Unrecognized undiscovered onto your into onto your radar but there is a guy named. What is the name here. Colson whitehead so far has only two pulitzer prizes for pass novels the nickel boys and the underground railroad and he has a new novel coming out called a harlem shuffle which is coming out soon september fourteenth and i think that it is safe to say there are certain authors who you know that when they put a novel out people are going to have a bunch of interesting conversations about it. This is apparently both a family story. And sort of crime fiction taking place in the new york of the nineteen sixties. I believe one of the reasons i picked. This is that. I don't always believe in just because it's this person it's important because i think that can lead to a little bit of like here's what the cannon is and he here are the insiders and outsiders and all that stuff but here is somebody where it's like. Okay if this is who wrote this then you're going to want to have this on your radar and you're going to want to kind of have that in your in your line of sight so again. September fourteenth harlem shuffle colson. Whitehead going for the The three peat of posts a hat trick pulitzer prizes. So that is my second pick stephen. You're going to bring us home with oh looks like more music in the first segment. I talked about a lot of big big pop releases. This one is as quiet as quiet. Gets if you're like me. The news makes you anxious. The world makes you anxious. There was a record coming out november twelfth. That is engineered to not make you anxious. It is by the english producer. john hopkins. that's john. J o n not to be confused with john's he has made dance records. he has made Kind of atmospheric ambient records. He made one of my favorite albums of the previous decade. A collaboration with singer king creosote called diamond mine He makes wonderful music and he is making a kind of ambient. Classical psychedelic drone. Kind of record called music for psychedelic therapy It is technically. I guess you supposed to take drugs and listen to it. It is the kind of music that to my mind makes drugs. Sort of unnecessary. I'm not a drug guy. But the single that he's released this beautiful kind of head. Clearing piece of music with a recording by the late ramdas called. Sit around the fire. let's hear a little bit quiet. If you truly open your heart is quiet your mind. Open yard okay. So to put it mildly this is not music for glenn's this is this is taking. Its mission of calm very very seriously. It is kind of music designed for meditation. I am anxious person and always look for music. That kind of has this effect. John hopkins is a proven master in this regard and i cannot wait to hear more that is music for psychedelic therapy out november twelfth. All right thank you very much steven johnson. You know glenn is making a face. not for glenn's i've just just agreeing with the stevenson. I like that. It tells you exactly what it is any album whose title is an instruction manual. I think is useful. Yeah absolutely advertising advertising. And i should say also you know. We talked about a bunch of things here. We did find that some of the things that have gotten the most early publicity that we know the most about at this point. We're not as diverse as we wished they were in terms of you know people of color and and in terms of both onscreen and offscreen. So i think you know. Keep your eyes peeled. Were hoping that some of the bigger promotional pushes will come for a more diverse group of things that we've seen so far Also you know. Obviously in general tip of the iceberg right. We only talked about new things. There's plenty coming out this fall. Truthfully this is the first time in a while. I felt like. Oh wow. there's going to be whole lot of stuff so we will be here. Tell us what you are excited to check out. Find us on facebook at facebook. Dot com slash. Pch or tweet us a p. h. When we come back it's going to be time for our favorite segment of this week and every week. What is making us happy this week. So come right back. Support for npr and the following message come from blue air over two decades ago. Blue heiress founders set out to bring the fresh pure swedish air. His family loved into their home by bringing together a team of talented designers and filtration experts who shared his passion for sustainability quality and design. The blue air air. Purifier was born there award. Winning air purifiers combined swedish design with high performance and whisper silent energy efficient operation. Learn more at blue air dot com. This message comes from npr sponsor capital one with no fees or minimums on checking and savings accounts banking with capital. One is the easiest decision kind of like choosing to listen to your favorite song on repeat and with their top rated app. You can deposit checks and transfer money anytime anywhere making capital one and even easier decision. That's banking reimagined. What's in your wallet. Terms apply capital one. Na member fdic. welcome back to pop. Culture happy hour. It's time for our favorite segment of this week in every week. What's making us happy. This week glenn weldon what is making you happy this week. Well you're talked about this. We talked about. Hbo max is the other two back when it was comedy. Central's the other two But it is back now. Second season started recently on. Hbo max and i want to single out episode. Two of season two in which the character of carey played by drew tarver and his new boyfriend. Chess played by gideon. Glick get fooled into thinking that another gay couple played by tuck. Watkins and noah galvin are not what they actually are which is a hot daddy and his cue tw- inc partner but instead a homophobic father and his newly out gay son. Now that if you hear about it is the stuff of farce but this is played so low key so real there. Is this one back and forth in the restaurant between watkins and galvin's couple who have an open arrangement right as opposed to carry and jessica who don't and if anything the thing that is remarkable is how the show kind of passes judgment not on the hook up with the open relationship but on the basic -ness of carry their sanctimoniousness their condescension. It is done so knowing and so confident. It's it's the show working at the top of its game. Doing only what the show could do. Because of its writers are and who who's actors are so that season two episode two of the other two called pat connect with her fans. Second thing that one. It's such a great seem in the restaurant is like. Oh it's so perfect. Well that's tuck. Watkins has been kicking around for a long time. You'd love to see it loved this good right there. Thank you very much glen. well then isha harris. What is making you happy this week. Well i would like to applaud. The criterion channel for you know in the last year or so they've done a really good job of highlighting black filmmakers and black arts onscreen one of them are recent. Collections is centered on josephine baker. The singular the one and only you know obviously she was known for the banana dress and dancing and being ex patriot in france but she was so much more than that and she was so interesting and so they have a collection of four of her films. That you can go watch right now zuzu. They review day review siren of the tropics and princess tam-tam. Now i've only seen one of these films. so far zuzu. And this is It's a french film. And it's about She plays zuzu who is a woman who is hopelessly in love with her childhood companion. Who is whites and they grew up together but he only sees her as a sister. It's not a great movie. But i think there's some interesting things going on when it comes to the way it depicts race in france at the time in the nineteen thirties. And also you get to see a little bit of just what made her such a fun performer. In why people were drawn to her because she has a couple of musical numbers in it. And there's one really fun when especially where she's like dancing in front of this giant screen on a stage. She's dancing with her shadow behind her and she's just very free and an eccentric erratic and i love it so i highly recommend people check it out. I plan to check out the other three movies in there. Because i just find her a really fascinating person and it's great that we have these movies to get a little sense of who she was awesome. Thank you very much. Isha harris size on the criterion channel. Stephen thompson what is making you happy this week. What one of my favorite folksingers a woman named karen dalton who was part of the greenwich village folk scene in the early sixties with people like fred. Neil and bob dylan. Bob dylan described her. As having quote a voice like billie holiday and she plays guitar like jimi read She put out two albums in her lifetime. One in nineteen sixty nine and one thousand nine hundred seventy one and recorded almost nothing else. There are a couple of other archival recordings but she's a very elusive figure. She died in nineteen ninety-three She had a lifetime of substance abuse issues and is kind of this elusive tragic figure in folk music and rolling out this fall. There's going to be a documentary about her. Imagine it's rolling out slowly. But i'm really really looking forward to it called karen dalton in my own time. Now there's not a lot of footage of karen dalton. Unfortunately a lot of archives were destroyed in two thousand eighteen fire. You know you just have these few albums to go on but they piece together apparently in this movie interviews with a lot of her admirers. Nick cave was a huge huge huge fan of hers Her music was absolutely incredible. And i'm so excited about people discovering her. I want to actually play a little bit of one of her songs. You can get a feel for her sound. Let's hear a little bit of in the evening hard. So that's karen dalton if you have not doug into. Her album has two albums one is. It's so hard to tell who's going to love you. The best from nineteen sixty nine and in my own time from nine hundred seventy one. They are spectacular. I hope people check her out. That's karen dalton all right. Thank you very much stephen thompson. Okay so what is making me happy. This week is a documentary that falls into a very a very specific category that i particularly love which the critic alison willmore talked about on twitter as startup. Friday these are your fire festival documentaries. Your we work documentaries and in this case. This is your lula row documentary so we will row if you're not familiar with it as a fashion brand that the sort of shorthand is instagram leggings company. But it's a multilevel marketing company and there is a documentary. That is on amazon called Lula rich and it examines in four parts. How the company was created how. They came up with this model where they would get women. I mean it's very much like mary. Kay or something like that women by a bunch of clothes and then they have parties and sell them and social media has obviously really revolutionized. Mlm's and how they operate and and lula rose still exists so this is not a company that has somehow gone out of you know ceased to exist. But if you're interested in business troubles that snowball. I do recommend that you check out lula rich on amazon prime and that is what is making me happy this week if you links for what we recommended plus some more recommendations subscribe to our newsletter. That's npr dot org slash pop culture newsletter. One last thing before we go we are going to be talking about the sopranos. 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What We're Watching: SYTYCD Premiere, Fosse/Verdon Finale

Parenting Roundabout

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What We're Watching: SYTYCD Premiere, Fosse/Verdon Finale

"Hello and welcome to round two of the parenting, roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Moro. And I'm here with Catherine Malek. Oh, say Katherine. Hi, usually on this podcast. We talk about parenting issues. But once a week, Catherine I liked to get together to discuss TV movies, books, and other entertainment topics. Because it's nice to talk about something other than parenting for change this week. We finished our Fossey Verdon watch with the episode providence. But I it's another season of sell, you think you've been dance. So we watched the first episode of season sixteen. And in the spirit of the judges in this particular episode, I would like to say, oh, my gosh, it was the best episode for all the episodes of the past of never seen anything like this. Probably this groundbreaking grind. I'm stabbing. I'm jared. Oh my goodness. Were they excitable or what? Yeah. That was that was something. I mean, I don't know how you go from this. They haven't even turned the capita. She had these were supposed to be additions. But it it's so were they filming every single person in the where they reacting in this only the ones that they responded to this way. I yeah. Yeah, that was, I was thinking, oh, well, now they brought into like choreographers more professional dance, people than, you know, the more personality types, we've had in the past and rights, it's going to get really serious. Now, they're really gonna be nitpicking everything they're going to be, you know, looking everything so much harder. They. So either this particular crop of dancers has been grown in a lab somewhere to be just the absolute essence of dancer Innis or. These people are not coffees. How do you do you pick two? Yeah. Number one disc for the previous casts. All were nothing because which what that one guy was previous jail honor. Right. The one new judge. So Yossi weren't that good, buddy would sit like you're eighteen and I'm thirty three lie. Can't do all those things to a nice it. Oh man. A lot of three three year olds can't do the things eighteen year olds to anything new there. I mean they were fine. They were good. I've seen a lot of really good dancers in additions. And they seem digest as good as some of the good dancers. I've seen not just seems like a lot of high purposely for auditions. Yes, agrees. They save some of that on a need it, I guess, later on when they get nitpicky in mean right now. Everything could be just, you know, the most amazing thing you've ever seen although absolutely got to. Have you ever heard Alvin? Ailey. Well, I hope he's heard of Albany, if he's a trying to be a professional Brera dad's Aliko yet. The as of he was, you know, hip hop or something. But this guy was. G neighbours macbook come to my. I fell. Yeah. Although I had to laugh when like, in the introductory stuff when they were having a little snippets of dialogue and, and things. And there seemed to more than one be a I've been watching this show, my whole line on it. And I'm like, oh my goodness. Yeah. Wait. It make me like. Artifact cruciate liga- Ramos reference in which being on. So you think you can dance pinnacle of the dream, maybe you do need to make sure that they know gravity. This is true. I but you know. You know, I was I went onto some message boards looked on Twitter to see a lot comments in lot of people mentioned that they missed the sort of dusty were coming to your town, feel of the usual additions. This seems like it's the show already got the audience, you got the big fancy hightech stage doesn't have that same feel of, you know, we're coming to your town, lineup anybody can come in and do your thing and will separate the stars from the thank you so much for coming the source seem like they had already may be done that at some stage which we didn't like so I guess we should be. You really can't please us because can't in past seasons. We have descript way over all these episodes urinating. And this one was a little bit less. So maybe because it, you know, you weren't seeing all this buildup of somebody, and then sorry, you're going home, except for. It's true, except for one person one, which also seemed like that had to just been in excuse to get that dance. Troupe on right? Yes. I didn't really seem like a serious. I dish in 'cause I mean you can bring somebody along to your ballroom dance with bringing fifty. I think that, that sort of a, let's just get my friends on TV sort of moment, or let's show find a way to showcase. Screw pick one you to say you're additioning, right seemed, sort of like that. 'cause she really didn't do anything separate from the group particularly. So I'm Alicia gave a lot gave her a lot of airtime showing her really with her kids. Yes end. And in terms of things in this episode that made me feel old, the whole to, you know, people can have babies and still do other things. Oh my goodness. Who knew mazing? Let's get the word out Terry. Yes. Yes. It's doesn't have to be the end of your life. So it was I enjoyed it. And I was I was happy that it was an hour. But I enjoyed it, but it does seem to be like I mean, and I also enjoyed not having the. Person who is being featured in order to be slammed or yes, dismissed rudely that was okay. But there needs to be a middle ground in. Oh, gee, that was really good. I can't wait to see where you're gonna go this season because it did seem like apparently these people don't have much of a place to go because they're already the best dance or anybody that. So calm down. All we're glad you're back. Some deep breaths. And and you know give yourself a little room for the rest of the season. So yet cat Dealey and her boots. Yes, yes, I such an enjoyable presence. Yes. That's nice, and the, the new judges will have to see. Yeah, I feel like I remember the guy yell gateway. June gateway, but Dominic or Dietrich's? They were stinky competed, just using the name Dominic. Okay. Yeah. He had all that going on. But yeah, he looks familiar to like a blocked the season that he was on. Yeah. No more of Vanessa Hudgens in her neck lines that she has to sit up very, very straight. The entire time. Will we hope you're slumping somewhere in celebration? So, yeah. You can hang out all you want. Now, it's, it's just why. But I, I looked online and there was something about the reason that they mentioned that, that Vanessa in twitch. We're not going to be on this year because they just had all this other worth they were busy doing but, but twitch was on a couple of times of he wasn't the who is the other guy that was on Jason Derulo. Yeah, no word on what what Jason is doing. But he's doing it somewhere else. So while I'm looking forward to the new season. And it's always fun watching people answ. Yeah. And it's it puts me like a summer mood s like the show is only on this. When I watched it, I. We feel like summer. Yeah, it's a good time of the year to slow in front of the TV in watch very fit people doing things while you eat ice cream, which them her faked. Well, speaking of dancing, let's sachet on over to our final episode of Fossey Verdon. It's done. It's, it's so done. It's dead. It's pretty much the finalists ending you could put on that. Of course, they just that killed off later in, you know, words over, I think she should Ghana black background. I didn't really need to see the farm, Vermont. Yeah, but. I should've been moved by all that final sum up there. But I do notice inconsistent use of the Oxford, comma. So this is some people as their passion. Some people have punctuation. What can we do? But. It was, you know it was a good ending for the series. I think is episode by itself. It was somewhat less exciting on captivating. And you know, it was a little armored as the others. It was like, will we gotta get all this stuff in? Yeah. It was at that. I mean on this like our last episode of one time of air detrimental. Oh. Very end. Yeah. So, you know, it was fine. And certainly, Nicole Fosse working out some of her demons there, I guess, in showing her young self going pretty dramatically off the rails, while her parents were the didn't notice every pretty disinterest. I mean, I guess, to one degree it is sort of appropriate say while you wanna add like an adult, I'm gonna treat you like an adult but I, I would make sure she's not gonna like I dunno died or overdose or they're on the cows. You know that stuff is like Sugarcubes to him. It's not, you know, he's system is used to presumably hers is not. But it really made me wish among sure they had their reasons for doing what they did. But I wish they had saved that actress for the last episode. Because she was very good in this. But I have to previous episodes of pent-up annoyance of her being made to look younger, right? Clumsily. And I don't think they had to I think that we could have had that, that little girl right up to this last one. And we would know based on the time line. Oh, that's older, Nicole. Right. Instead of having. Oh, that somebody dressed up like you. So I think that was far be it for me to second. Guess the creative team behind this miniseries. But maybe that was not them. Wisest calm. Right. I don't know why. Maybe the fact that you have that little kids, have more work restrictions on them than twenty. Maybe they were having trouble working around that. I dunno. I dunno. I feel like artistically it was. Bumpy. We did. Speaking of the creative team, get the Yellen men while maranda. We'd hear this one. That was a surprise. I believe. Yeah, I did I, as I mentioned to you. I didn't watch this tonight at aired, which I should have done. And then the next day I went on Twitter, and I saw tweet by Allen. Seven wall referencing a cameo appearance, any put redacted in brackets and capital letters to avoid spoiling it for anybody. And then I scroll down in the next tweet. I see somebody said, wow. Dez racing her banks. They're talking about. It was kind of you. But so, you know, fortunately, I am not a spoiler fo. And, and I know that if I go on Twitter anything I see is on me, but it was just funny to has that juxtaposition. I don't know. You said that you weren't a hundred percent. Sure. It was him. I don't know if I would have been either had I not know going in. Yeah. I mean I kept looking at like. Akron, either is Limon, while maranda young if so it must be because of yes, affiliation that he had with it. I kept saying I kept thinking like it mostly like, but. But yeah, voice gave it away for me if I had been sure I it same with same with in the early episodes of the show. I think the first step is Paul Reiser was on it. And I'm like this doesn't look like I think of Paul Reiser looking, but that is Paul Reiser voice that totally is, and it was him. So I think it's the same thing with the momorandum they can put all the prosthetic hair on him. They want and it's still sounds like him. So, and we had the payoff to the tap dancing at the funeral of Neta just funeral which was heartbreaking, actually really was. And kudos Sam Rockwell on on that. This. Yes, we'll just continued and forever kudos to both him in shell Williams, flows performances. 'cause I'm never going to think of, of Bob foster win Verna without seeing them in my head. They both did such a good job. And, and Michelle Williams, especially I think, just did something with her voice, and just the way she, you know, formed her face right? Just seemed so so when Verdon like not that, I really have that much knowledge of what one Vernice leg, but it wasn't Michelle Williams. Like like, oh, there's Michelle Williams in a red wig is she transformed herself very, very impressive. So I listened to a podcast this week. Justin long has podcast now and I guess he and Sam Rockwell our good friends from galaxy quest days and which just blew my mind where I realize, oh, yes, the galaxy quest. Okay. But he was talking about the. The one of the main difficulties are being in this miniseries, is the amount of time he had spent in the hair and makeup chair like, I guess, travelling through time arrives. Bob's. Hairline. Yes. May obviously shoot it in a different order them. What we all words back and forth in this must be like somebody, the hairstyle is must have a list of what the hair looks like in each of these eras that right? Going balancing back and forth through okay? Today, you need this much of over tomorrow morning. I impressive work behind the scenes. They're kudos to whoever was responsible for. The hair and lack thereof. Yes. But it was. Appropriate ending Sam. Tied up the called back to the very, very beginning of this of the yes, right? Yes. In a sense. Fine way. Right. And still had a fair amount of unpleasant behavior. Really from them. Right. All of that behavior that we've come to expect from those is he still made his girlfriend. I dish in humiliating to play herself. NC in real life, right? Yes. Yes. Yikes. There was a there was an interview maybe you can. I think I said, you this link could find the show notes of an interview with an ranking about this mini series. And she was just very sweet. And he's rolling out that bad. My hope they haven't made him seem to terrible sushi is either either they have exaggerated for a fact or she is just the sweetest most around the world. Because she could just as Lou said, well, he was a difficult person. But you know what? His creative legacy. Signs that, but she was like all he really everybody loved him. He was well loved by all his runs which seems to actually the. The not by in the series. He's has very, very loyal friends. Not by the five hundred young dancers. Exploited throw away. But, but, you know if, if indeed that scene is anywhere close to the truth. And she is still so sweet about him than God bless her. She's a she's kind soul. But. Now I'm glad I watched it. I could see myself watching it again. And. Getting all the little bits and pieces that I missed for son, it was very you know. Thought provoking and. Entertaining seems like to Lord but it was it something compelling. Maybe as a better word and extremely well done. And. Makes me wanna now go and watch you two videos of all that the original source material way to go time kale. Yes. Thank y'all. Thank all you, Hamilton people. I can't get tickets to your play. But I can watch your mini series. Yes. Well, next week, we will not have a Fossey burden episode to watch because it is done, but we will have many, many, many more episodes of. So you think you can dance to come and so watch one of those, and we will also watch the next episode of the west wing, which is in God, we trust a vinick Centric episode, which the western with Lee podcast assures us, they're doing episode with ion all to go with it. So that is something absolute a look forward to and that is going to be it for around two today. Please subscribe to our parenting, roundabout podcast. So you won't miss any of our episodes. We have something new for you, every weekday as always, you can find recaps links up tree to comment on our website, parenting, roundabout dot com. Go by Catherine by Terry by everybody.

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Mounting Pressure

Parenting Roundabout

15:54 min | 2 years ago

Mounting Pressure

"Hello and welcome to round two of the parenting, roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Moro. And I'm here with Catherine Lecco say, hi Katherine. Hi, Terry usually on this podcast. We talk about parenting issues. But once a week, Catherine I liked to get together to discuss TV movies, books, and other entertainment topics because it's nice to talk about something other than Aaron tting change this week. We continued our west wing watch with the campaign episode LA LA bre, but first, we watched two more episodes of Fossey Verdon, where am I going, and all I care about his love both of which had many fine qualities in much human drama, but not a lotta razzle-dazzle know where those musical numbers. We even if we don't recognize the musical good. We get some musical number. I feel like a little bit of Bain, which from the. Those of. Yeah. Chicago. Come on. Let's see. Well, we got a little bit of Chicago. We got the, the actress plank chewed Rivera doing all that jazz in our rights. You know, to mayors until he has a heart attack. And then we had in the first one we had when singing at the piano. Yes. But goodness, it was. You know, it hits never been even with all the musical numbers. It's never been. Cheerful happy, fun television. But this was yeah. Yeah, yeah. This is not, not, not not fun JR show because you need some recovery time, will any time to go search on what other people thought about it and find all the backstory in all. But the even though the, the second episode watched was certainly bleak in terms of his health, and in terms of his self analysis. I really did. I also reviews the thought that the him being Lenny throughout the Assode was kind of overly exposition on it was, but I just love that performance so much and really enjoyed hearing him talking about it. So I will buy it. But what the heck with the recasting nickel this is like a couple of months after they were at the beach house. Right does. Nobody noticed that. Somebody has kidnapped their and released with and not only as I understand it. She's. This actors is gonna play from ages twelve to seventeen but the address twenty six and you know actress looks twenty six so. And that little girl made such an impression specially at that song. She was wonderful inch. So you just grew so attached to Nicole as that actress. And yes, sure if you wanna say five years down the line, we have a flash forward in its played by different person. Okay. But this, this can't be more than a few months later. Right. Right. I agree why, you know, when you do this guy saying you kids grow up, and you're gonna have to have a change actors. At some point, I feel like they picked the wrong point. Oh, absolutely. It made no sense at all. And it's like you know that we see if she's in the kitchen, I'm like, who the heck is? Why are they? What, what? No, it doesn't talk on. Our Gwen says, well, she's at home with a sitter, you're like way, way, all the docs to be the center. Needle in the Mike and see so many decisions made for Arctic purposes and so much artistic license taken with things and son so beautifully. This is just a massive clunker. I mean, no, no. I feel bad for the actress. I mean good for her getting a job. But while each just pulls you out of it and throws you across. The actress who played Nicole for those first five episodes, just exceptional work for a kid the singing and that we're. Child to. Yeah. For an actual shot. I can't find her age on, on line, but she ain't no twenty six. So that was just a major false note in a really traumatic episode and it's kinda too bad. I mean I just kept waiting for there to be some wine the way that it, you know, she's really grown up these last few on seventy six or she's just like a different kid. I don't know what to like a little o-, little wink to the camera. Like, I think they did on Roseanne when Becky was suddenly play by completely different hours. While it's like on the crown, I know you don't like to show, but they every like two years. They totally recast. So, you know, the first two seasons it was clear for as the Queen on, now it's going to be whenever the next one comes out, which is it's gonna may Olympia Coleman. But it's right. So like talked about it's beyond there. Plan all along. Yeah. If they had a different actress every episode for then I think you kinda say this is just, you know, he was in and out of her life and the exchange in, in e Blinken, your kid is a different stage but they, they had her for those five episodes. And she had that song, and she had this scenes at the beach house where she was doing things she wasn't supposed to be like and wasn't she supposed to be real tight with an and now she saying, mom having you stand having an around. It's yeah. Completely different character, the cat continuity, y'all other continuity person. I you know, the actual Dicle Fosse is helping out with this thing in his variables in it. So I guess she didn't have a problem with it. So I should we? But still since viewer sqaure away, jarring. I was looking around Twitter for people who are similarly, puzzled, and I found, so but other than that, what did you think of these? Yeah. I mean it continues to be, you know, so. Well done, even though it's hard to watch because subject matters of difficult, and the, you know, the relationship between Gwen and bobby's is so interesting and everyone around those, like, we'll, so you're married. But both have of these other people in your life and, and guans of the hospital like and go home. I'm here, you know. You know, when hasn't lived with him probably for years at this point. Yes. Yes away way, that their personal and professional lives were so deeply wind is this fascinating. Right. And I mean, they never did get divorced. So she really is the life that is just kind of way I you know, you kind of wonder what is in this for an exactly descend, you know what? That's right so long. Yeah. I just continued to be amazed by those performances. Is the to lead us seem to? You know, I never look at that as pay Sam Rockwell is given a great performance. Just I forget that it's an actor not actually Fosse rise, just amazing. And I thought it was interesting in these two, I think, up till now, the whole series is pretty sympathetic toward Gwen. She's really awful in these two episodes. She wants this play and she really doesn't care, the guys in a sector. Facility, and she's making promises for him. I guess she lies to get him out. They say at one point, and she's just driving him pretty much get him out of his areas royalist but still. Right. You know this is father of the grownup. What's like? I mean, she does at least tell the heart doctor all the drugs, he's on. But. Totally on abilities and to try to get her to Kevin Simm to changes plans. And she manipulates him by throwing different director into the mix that she knows he will write feel competitive wherein not, you know, so she just she just plays. Everybody could she wants which he wants? So I mean in a way good for her. Go get it. But right at the same time, it's you know, this was not a totally one-sided sacrificing woman and controlling man. She should seems like she may be gave as good as she got sometime. Right. Pretty impressive that the real Nicole is involved in this. Yeah. I mean is allowing the real unvarnished? We don't know. I guess how much of it is still not included. But right, it's pretty amazing to think about portraying your parents. I mean, I know I've seen some interviews with has headlines for the interviews of saying she wanted to sort of give her mother as much credit as her father has always gotten on their work, and that is true. But these were working out some childhood issues, there will not. I mean, it must have been just the weirdest possible life for her sort of like the silent witness to all this time, you know, that's gonna if not mess. You up a little bit. Give you some scores to settle later in Lyon. The you know as certainly they show Fossey doing rights again, still such creatively. Presented be so work and such really meaty material that I'm willing to excuse it a whole lot. But come on. Young. Nicole. You know, seems like there would have been a better time for that transition to be made lake Gardner. I think was the young later this you Honey. You did a great job. She might be back. You never know the fish flashbacks gotta go back. Dr don't they may be better not try to not include her in the flashbacks. I'll be mad too high. Well, moving on to our continued watch of the west wing. This week's was said before another campaign episode where a little bit of a tide gets turned. They lose one candidate for president on the democratic side, not the one it looks like they're setting up all the way through on. So what did you think? Did you think this was going to be the end for the Santos campaign? Or did you figure it's Jimmy Smits at the end of the yeah the ladder? Sure, they didn't bring the dude onto ladies. Yeah. And you know it was it was certainly compelling. You know, seeing the this Wicha ru of Josh be like okay at scientists, it's time to let end Matt in even Helen being like milk movement. We're gonna go and, and the reasons why and. Yeah. So that was expressed still feel like we're getting some park, Josh in this great turnaround, was, basically because Donna had a hunch and precipitated the announcement of windows situation. Maybe maybe he was hoping he could hang on until after Super Tuesday before the news got out, right? And also mad having a good idea to talk to the governor. And then stand behind him without actually saying anything. None of those were Josh calls, right? He had already kind of thrown in the towel. So come on. Right. Wake up. Can we Josh making a good call somewhere, please? Man, but it he's a mutual believer again. Now is they he's made his plan for Texas. I don't know what happened to the how many point plan did the Ryan with nine you haven't heard I guess it was only went up through a New Hampshire or something. Going to be they ran through light states already. But good for Donna, make quite, you know, and good for will as they were talking about on the podcast for. Yeah. Okay. You wanna do more here turnaround? Give the statement cold. Yeah. I feel like maybe well might have gotten a limit more credit for that than he actually deserves. But because you know, they're in the middle of campaign like all hands on deck. It's right. Although, of course, he is sitting vice president. So. Right. They should have the means. Yeah, but, you know, I still think I agree that it was smart of will to do that. And right lauded. Yeah. I'm really I like will so much and I respect the job. He's doing on his campaign, so much it kind of hurts to have to root against him. But I we do have gone root against. No hard. Feelings may arrive you'll live to campaign another day. You're young guy. Later, you'll be the attorney general right? I think so. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I thought the the west one weekly podcast was good. The campaign stories were good in that one about gap. Art was kinda tragic. About that. Yeah. It's always good to have ally Addy on. Yes. Tell us all of the back story in inside scoop shorter dead. In fact, reporters, do rural oranges, down the people can't ignore an orange. You know, he's a lot of things you can you can ignore. But right. And I think it was funny on the pug of their like while how many oranges are in play at one time. Like what if somebody else got your orange with your? That's right. And I mean it does disability bring a bag of or oranges or on the average air. I guess everybody every reporter, just puts an orange in their pocket for they get on the blinding. They have to, you know, seems impractical to have, like have the ply them on Air Force, One war damn them. On air force Miller, not. But if they're on the campaign plan, I guess, Matt's no longer flying his own play. Does. Make a lot of press for the third place guy. Right. The guy is gonna either mortgages house withdraw out, right? Those are a lot of reporters to draw the short straw mile. Maybe they think it's more interesting. I on allegory the downfall of Josh. They left it out. Helen header, Haruna ponytail. I thought she was on the way to the bun. But then it was down. Becoming we didn't get to see. Kate Harper checkout, her next next week next week, Kate Harper story. So as I recall, I remember that one is being kind of overblown. We'll see, but it did have her in it. I believe so hopefully she's had a chat with the hairstyle and said no more curls. No more banks doing serious business. Right. Well speaking of next week, we will be watching the west wing, episode ninety miles away, as well as one episode of Fossey burden because we're catching up with them. And so we're watching the sewed nowadays, which given the name of the episode and where we seem to be on the time line. We got to begin some Chicago. Right. We got to begin some Chicago. Number still, we gotta be getting some Chicago numbers. I'd like to see some razzle-dazzle come on me. I can't see this ending in a happy way the mini series at all. But you gotta give us a musical numbers. More out. Out Simone's, y'all. Come on. All right, we'll see we're having on we're we're sticking through all the difficult stuff. But I like to see some dances on. All right. So that is gonna be around today. Please subscribe to our parenting, roundabout podcast. So you won't miss any of our episodes. 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Good Days and Very Dark Days

Parenting Roundabout

18:02 min | 2 years ago

Good Days and Very Dark Days

"Hello and welcome to round two of the parenting roundabout podcast on Capitol Hill, echo zero teary, moral, say, hi Terry. Hello, usually, I'm podcast tech about parenting issues. But once a week, -tarian island to get together to discuss TV movies spokes in other entertainment, topics because it's nice to talk about something of Ivan parenting for change. So this week, we continued, our west wing watch with the episode of good day, but before that we return to Fosse burden for two episodes, called me, and my baby and glory. And while this show is Dr yes, indeed at bears very little like, in some of us. On musical numbers. Real hard stuff, the first episode, we watched me and my baby was all about Gwen Verdon, flashing back to how she had a baby that she, I guess, abandoned with her parents. Here because they never they never told the end of that story. Really? I mean they never said they showed her leading writing than never showed whatever happened after that Iraq. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if her parents were like no you can't come back in a he's ours now and game over, but I yeah, it's interesting. I've been been going down a little rabbit hole today of articles about Fossey burden, and, and what people have written about the various episodes in the back stories of everything. And apparently, the back story of her first marriage is always been that she married, very young. She lied better age and they got married. She had this baby, and he was a drinker and abuser eventually she left him. And then she left the baby with her parents to, to be a dancer, and this has a sort of a different take on it than that, basically, he raped her, and then she got pregnant, and she had to marry him. And that's. Apparently I read an article by fun fact, the, the writer of that episode is Debra Kahn, who wrote the west wing episode we talked about last week. So, and she said it sounds like in talking to. When Verne's daughter, Nicole, Nicole had pieced together, the actual story over time, just based on things that her parents that she had heard little bits and pieces and kind of piece together the real story and that, you know, this guy was basically a friend of her parents and her parents made her get married to him. And it was just very in pretty much any way you cut it. It's a very sad story about of a very young girl who was at the very least sort of forced into something, the young girl should not have to do. And at the most was, you know, that was done in the most abusive possible way. So, but I've also read things that say she did have a relationship with her son just reading something where he's quoted as saying, you know, it wasn't a normal relationship, but it was normal to me, and that his mother always tried to make him you know, keep up relationship with him in making part of things. And so it sounds like no hard feelings from his part, at least from his adult. Perspective. And so that's kind of interesting. But that's I mean, this is obviously the way this show is being done is through such a prism, sort of a kaleidoscope. It really that we're gonna see little bits and pieces of stuff and kind of how the sense of how they filled in how they created a picture, but not ever going to get the entire back story on anything, which is fine because we live in an age, where you can then go on the internet, and goodwill stuff. Also all we'll put a link in the show notes all send you this also, there's a was an article somewhere, I think it was playbill where they gave the plot of that horrible play. She was in children, children and all my goodness. I am not surmise that Christ on the first night, no matter how wonderful she wasn't it or not? But that does not sound like a pleasant evening of the. So it's very it's part of the fun of show like this to then go look up stuff afterwards. And, you know, here would try to different scenes here, who those different people were. Oh, yes, this is this guy who then went on to do this thing. Oh, yeah. So it was almost as it's not as interesting as actually watching it. But it's a definite nice second layer of experience as is true of some shows I had that same experience with lost where reading the reading the fans of visions of what the heck was going on, was almost more fun than watching the show. So, yes, that was I mean, it was interesting getting those little snippets of her early life. And I think that we're supposed to. You know, it's supposed to contribute to her character without having to be straightforward by graphical thing. Right. And they also had contribute to her work in that, right? Director still don't appreciate conceptually didn't. Come on, man. She overdosed, her lean for you, buddy. Come on. Yeah. I appreciate little. Yes, that is not good. But yeah. So that was that was when, you know, million, my baby. Right. The next one called glory was all about Bob Fosse in his demons and his terrible fear of which there is no shortage. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. All that scene where he's trying to put the make on the dancer, and she is not having it. And he just does not stop that was, I was reading the play Ville review of it puts trigger warnings in the text when it's going to be some sort of sexual violence coming up. They had one for that. Now that in the end the end the whole that tour to force ending scene, where he's imagining this sort of medley from Pippen in his room. He's contemplating jumping out the window, right? With something else, it would be good, if I knew the plot of Pippin, which I. Yeah. Yeah. That would add Debussy to appreciation. Yes. There's a general understanding with the series that, that theatre nerds are going to enjoy it so much more than us. Has gonna get so much? I have like a general working knowledge of the Aira, and of the creative. I've heard of all this stuff icon have a general idea of, but nowhere near. I mean, there were like Alex lack more was posting videos of them all all the actor sitting around in the in a room singing songs from Pippen, and I'm going, well, that's nice. It would be so much nicer via actually knew them. I bet I would really enjoy seeing that, but I know the one guy. Yeah. But yeah. So that would be that would be helpful. I mean, I have sort of I know I saw cabaret at one time, but I have very little memory of it. And I have a good good knowledge. Yeah. I mean I have I know basic knowledge of the plot but it would be it would be nice. I mean I it would be much more. It's obviously made by people who had deep knowledge, I read an article about the, the writer of that glory, episode talking about how they were just basically singing parts of it as they were writing the script and. So, but still it is very impressive in very watchable and man, those lead performances are just something else. I mean, I completely forget that those are actors, I'm just completely there. Everybody else I can kinda say, oh, you know, I know what after that is. And I know that to that isn't that actor is giving a good performance, but the two of them I just completely forgot. By the the little girls playing their daughter. Yes. Yes. Yes. And all of a sudden she sings. Last. Or is she? Yeah. So, you know. Such a moving moment. Actually, you know, he actually thinks of her most to bonding off somebody else. End. She saves his life, but just such a stylish in well-done in interestingly done. Piece of work. I really enjoy watching it in this time, I did watch it on my computer with headphones, which was extremely helpful. So I feel like I got all of the. I got all the dialogue, which sometimes I feel like I've missed some right hand, also I have to focus on it because I can't be working on my computer. If I'm watching them, I computer games on my phone, but I can't be doing work. So I think I focus on it a little better. So I'm going to try to do that from now on. You have to, if you watch it on ethics you have to watch commercials, apparently for God's villa. I watched about eight Godzilla commercials, Bradley Whitford, making jokes about Godzilla. It's not terrible. So it's, it's, it's I suppose for people who are into monsters. It's a Hades that monster kind of commercial. But for me, it's a heads that guy, hey, that kinda Chandler Godzilla movie. Oh, broadly, Woodford in Godzilla movie. Again he was the cord around. The man works. I gotta say speaking of the man, working, yes, but west wing, shall we moved to that. We can move to that. Yeah. Yes. So this week's west wing was called a good day, but the general consensus was it wasn't a good necessarily or. Episode mean I agreed with a lot of what they said on the on cast like the whole plot about invading Canada was just silly because it wasn't funny now but it wasn't serious enough. Either. It was just. In which is weird. I ought. I had like the opposite experience with this episode than I did last week last week. I watched the episode didn't like it that much listened to the podcast and found myself liking the episode a lot more this time I listened to the podcast. I kinda like Ireland I wanna watch it now because I guess it's not that good. And I watched and I really enjoyed. I wasn't as bad as I was expecting the, you know, the Canada plot while I recognize it was kinda stupid. I laughed I left a lot. I left it every time they showed that the fish and wildlife guy looking like this is the best day of his, why you like. Oh his situation. Healing lear. Just in, in every, you know, the military guy was like trying really hard not to smile broadly how this was going. And the Canadian, I just I, I laughed at a lot. Maybe you know if you was her performance as the just. Yeah. I having to deal with right? Yes. I did. Enjoy Mary McCormack has came in ration- is just the right amount of follow her hair this like. Did you take the time to curl her hair? That doesn't seem it in character. I did on numerous occasions notice that her hair was awfully glam for, which she was doing in not, not having it looks like may be she had gone out to a party in curled at nicely. And then slept on it wasn't perfect. But it was it was girly bed right bands, perhaps. But some you she needs to pay off the hair person there at the west wing, clearly, she needs to say, let's have understanding this is a professional personal which do can you give me that wig that way is going? I want, but I just found that military women. Put their hair in Bonn. Yeah. I think so. Yes, she she needs to get whoever whoever styles. Helen Santos from pretty much here on in needed to done the same deal on Mary, McCormack theaters in military. The bun. That's right. Not with the not with the long curls. When you're in the sit room distancing. Right. But and I you know, the, the whole slumber party thing, they have an absolute point on the western weekly podcast, that, why couldn't have leave just pulled it the second time I haven't heard that kind of took the wind out of the sales of that whole plot. But it was still fun. It will dissolve around Arkansas, congressman just sort of like being the, the Lynch pin of this sneaky plan. Well, looking as Cala was human compulsively look. Right. That was awesome. I definitely enjoyed that whole plot line in. Did have hall. But Klis Cowley police than us to keep player. White House with us on even if his wardrobe was a little snappy, and, you know, kind of trying to trying to balance out against Josh, who's sort of back in the territory for a moment. And, you know, and Donna and mad an ice little moment, there that was, you know, a silly start to. You know, they, they do a lot of work showing Santos to be a pretty decent guy. Pretty friendly straightforward one. So I kind of liked that your, your Russells chicken woman, or something like that wasn't what it was. He said. Yeah. Chicken fighter. I think it was. And I we haven't met I'm mad to money. Yeah. She knows. Yeah. Yeah he just he just can't say his name anymore, without that tagline going after that's right. The ass to shake your hand. But the kids the plot. Yeah I get done without that. Yeah. That and the, the Nobel prize that definitely could have done without that was not interesting to me, it'll, but, you know, to more than more than the on balance. I liked it. I would say it's my favorite episode, but it's definitely one that I remembered from this bunch as having that fund sneaking around element to it, right. Yeah. Fun. I but I think you're right. The podcast kinda bring it down a little bit because Richard Shiffman like he's a good actor, but he comes across his. Pleasant hurson. Didn't doing, you know, well it does phase. Anyway, I feel bad. Because the last time I listened to the podcast before you when I told you to stop at a certain point in this one had, I felt was a little spoiler eight about something. I've already kinda foreshadowed that there is. Yeah. Development, I don't like, and I kinda had a sense, Richard shifted like to, I don't know if I'd read something about it, but he made it pretty clear in this episode that he does not, like what's ahead. And I do not blame him. I think is absolutely right. But you don't necessarily need to hear that 'cause I don't know if I'd spoiled that it was that the bad one point happened to, but it is. And, and he is absolutely right. To be ticked off about it also. And I agree with him that there's been. There does seem to they did such a good job in those first Sorkin seasons of establishing exactly. Who Toby is we had a very, very detailed psychological picture that dude. And so. When they start just like he's grumpy. And it's just doesn't know we know that guy. So what more going on here? So I imagine as if it's a frustrating for us viewers, it must have been incredibly frustrating for him for the kind of actor he is who cares. You know, you know, Joshua Malina always teases himself about just trying to get a paycheck and not caring. Although I imagine he does too. But still, you know, as long as the paycheck's coming, fine, I'll do whatever you want shift does not seem like that kinda actor. So there must have been some very interesting conversations as the next really mostly next season comes along so shelve that forget you heard about it. Little spoiler there. And I mean Ritchie was saying. Yeah. Like he knew what Schiff was talking about. But yeah. Supposedly, we watch them all. Well, he said that he's watched ahead. I'll has okay at so. All right. Well, when we do nothing with one day, one week at a time, not one the anymore. So next week, we're gonna Stu two more episodes of possi Vernon. I need to do them like separated by these day. Why can't? Yeah. I can't handle them back to back. These are where am I going? And all I care about is love. And then the west wing episode that we're going to watch his law, Palabra sa- candidate soon. Yeah. Like Super Tuesday. So that's can be it for our round two today. Please subscribe to our parenting, roundabout podcasts. So you won't miss any of our episodes. The something new for you every weekday. 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Dark and Stormy

Parenting Roundabout

13:15 min | 2 years ago

Dark and Stormy

"Hello and welcome to round two of the beard, roundabout podcast. I'm Katherine who Lecco here with Terry moral. They hi Terry. Hello, usually on this typecast. We talk about parenting issues. But once a week Terry, I liked to get together to discuss TV movies, books and other entertainment topics because it's nice to talk about something other than parenting for a change this week. We continued our west wing watch with the episode ninety miles away, and then we were stymied by the west my podcast, which we thought would have soda company it didn't. So we'll get into that in a little bit. But first, we did watch as promised, one more episode of thoughts Vert in this was the seventh one in the series and it was called nowadays. And it gave us lots of music. If you know, human pain anguish. Yeah. That requisite amount of pain, and anguish. But this time we had the rehearsals for Chicago. We got to see a lot of what went into getting that show. Ready Tom and I enjoyed that it was also hard to watch because. Quinn was struggling. Yes. While I was struggling with strongly. Yeah. And yeah, it was. You know, it's usual blend of, of the fun of musical stuff in just the, the backstory, being heartbreaking, and angering and all sorts of things. So but still glove those numbers. It was maybe wanted to go when read the Chicago Wikipedia page and look it up on itunes and listen to all the songs. Videos of the dancing. Yeah. And you had turned me onto the playbill. Yes dot com, recaps, which are, which are really well done. Really give you lots of that background statellite explaining that the person who play the actor who plays. Chita Rivera is a Broadway person in, you know, no wonder she's doing and she, but she played Roxy in the actual in actual productive Chicago, so, but very interesting stuff about how Chita Rivera was very supportive of been verdict in relief. Friendly towards her loyal towards her in could've so easily been. Oh, she's week. I can use this to get a bigger part for that. Apparently is not the case. So just what up extremely messed up relationship this show focuses on poly Cal. Yeah. No. Can end. Yeah. Lots of fraught nece. Yeah. And you got they got into, you know, for Tillery struggle that they were having in, you know, she gets pregnant, I his first responses while as. Mine somewhat understandably though. You gotta, you know, if somebody told you yeah, this is probably not going to happen, and then it just happened spontaneously I don't. But it just it just adds the whole dynamic between them of his insecurity, and his need to prove himself and her constant -ly purposely or not righteously or not kind of cutting them down and manipulating him. And, you know, his just awful behavior, also it's, you know, I like it that it's sympathetic to win certainly and you really do on a smack that guy quite a lot at the time. But, you know, she also sometimes does not play things, well, their whole C writer, daughters, dancing. She's using this as the opportunity Aranka him about the final number, you know about what she's right? But then possibly also right? Later on. Ron just sort of air. Your dirty laundry in the way she did in that practice was just feel so badly for everybody else in that room who just probably wants to disappear. So lots of advocate, you're on both sides. It was very, very difficult to get used to young looking. Bob in those early scenes. Especially since I think Gwen looked pretty much the same. Along. But yeah. In both of them, it's a lot of hair. Yeah. Signifying jam hairdos that are helping you place them in tight. Right. Or loss of hair loss. But he also developed lots of very, very bad habits that gives the actor lots and lots of ticks he gets older. You know, the, the, the smoking in the shaken the pills out of the bottle and washing them down with whatever's handy, and all that stuff, which young young guy didn't have those so much. You need to always little bits of businesses. He gets older. But it was good. It was needing recovery time as you mentioned the last time, I don't really wanna just jump into the next episode after you watch this now of that whole thing where he calls her when she can't talk to just twist the knife, that is some that is so messed up relationship dynamics going on their suffering friend. Watch. Yes, I feel like both. He and, and had scenes where they just kinda look at these two. When go? Walkaway. One of my. What am I doing here in the middle of this in NB? This has nothing to do with me. Thank God I'm gonna sit in another room about. I'm gonna go hang out with you. Call turtle. Our other one. Yes. I. Yeah, I sort of wonder what's in it for them? But, you know, in their whole valet thing, where the boyfriend just keeps looking at them going stop up. Why Don many ways, the, the boyfriend Ron end offering an are like better? Parents to Nicole family her actual birth. Yeah. Yang. He's the one showing concern that she's running off with her friends, you know, and gaff yet. So there's one more earner outside of has been quite a ride. Yes. Yes, well, tune in for that, but definitely of flashbacks that were painful. The was in. Was called ninety miles away, which dear Heidel, you might guess was all about Cuba. With again, the appearance by Fidel Castro sitting in the shadows in that point everybody just goes really are. Are we doing man Relator may? We are, which in turn line to in the dead nine nine even telling CJ which that's not cooled. Don't do that now. So, yeah, what it's a weird why it is. And I was sort of a googling things about to see if I could see if there is any other commentary online about Kate Harper's hair, which there is a little bit, but mostly the banks in the curls, and I was on a I think it was a red list that, that consistently referred to ninety miles away that episode everybody hates. So I guess I'm not alone in remembering this as even in a part of the west wing where there were a lot of episodes that were not quite on par with what we had come to love. This one was just a big ole ha. Yeah. Really jump. All delayed suddenly were in the middle of, you know, John McCurry novel or something. Where we meeting with. Secretly meeting with Castro. But yet, of course, it's not secret because everyone, you know, the walls have. And if you own. And my goodness. Brian Dennehy just slice off the biggest piece, a ham, he can get there with that Senator. Or laying that the Senator on Florida. Hammered. Yes, if he had a mustache, she'd be limited twirl in it. He was just, you know, chew him up. Some scenery on, why not good on you. But Senator now have all this, this mysterious past for Kate. She's all redacted, and she was in Cuba, doing things meeting people in bars to talk about mysterious past events. And just it was like this, the USA this fit really good on USA. This whatever is I could see it. And now she. Then you, you get this flashback of her remembering having met Leo when he was drunk and taking him home. She's got a black guy, which never gets explain it. She has bangs on the wig that she's wearing whether that was most of your actual hair. Pretty sure wasn't Mary, McCormack's actual hair. It looked like a wig. And it had banned. So, apparently, this is just a person who whatever, you know, however, people, she's many people shoes killed in redacted out, and whatever mysterious pass she has girl, exer- Obiang's gotta give her that she's got style. You know, shown care, I, and I even like the banks, maybe a the curls that she's working now in the present day, her not do it for me. And she seems to have to cocker head in a certain way to make the curls fall properly that is just not becoming of a national security advisor, come on put that Hera. But you know what? Maybe she's going out partying every night just coming in early. You know, doesn't have time to comb out. Her hair? So, you know it's hard out there for. A working on. Yeah. It was just a weird episode really no campaign stuff other than, you know, a phone in from Josh in a phone in, I guess, to talk into Josh on the phone talking to on the phone. So each of those actors gets their face on the TV, but other than that, people are just mentioned. Not sure why the president has to call him warn the Republican candidates of what he's doing. But let us it's etiquette. I dunno but I was just weird. That's best, just put away and not one of again. Unless they say something about it, it in whatever future week, they decide to discuss it on the west wing weekly podcast, how hard is it to say yo- next week, we're doing a special episode waits a week to watch this, this one. We thought we had their, their slippery, schedule figured out. They went and changed it on again. Whistler. Not cool. Yeah. So we are going to skip a west wing for next week mom since we are now ahead of the podcast. Yes. So what we're gonna do is watch the final episode of Fossey Verdon. It's providence, and I'm sure it will leave every everything in a happy and contented. And yeah will wrapped up. Way. Right. Can't wait there, one, how these crazy kids working are wasn't that coffin. The next week on one of the things that I learned from, from my little rabbit hole, dive into articles about that episode of fussy burden. Is that indeed? Bob Fosse did tap dance Patty cheifs funeral. So. Okay. Yes. Very good had to have skied and, and Fossey when father has to get his good Patti LA. La score. Him some drugs and Patty says, no, he says you're being dramatic. Like, I'm a dramatization shop. That is. And wrap up posse. Burden and men. We are going to switch gears end tire late. Well, it's still dancing like Vigo we're gonna get go back to think you can dance a nice fund summer, the -ality that we've enjoyed in the past in that is kicking off on June third rate. So on the fourth, we will be talking about it. Hey, for that, that that'll be around to today. Please subscribe to our parenting, roundabout podcast. You won't miss any of our episodes. We have something new for you, every weekday as always, you can find recaps links opportunity to comment on her website, apparently, roundabout dot com by Terry, like aspirin. I everyone.

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Fightin' Words

Parenting Roundabout

14:02 min | 2 years ago

Fightin' Words

"Welcome to round two of the parenting, roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Moro and here with Catherine whole eco say, hi Katherine, Terry usually on this podcast. We talk about parenting issues. But once a week, Catherine I liked to get together to discuss TV movies, books, and other entertainment topics because it's nice to talk about something other than parenting for a change this week. We continued our west wing watch with the drought conditions, but I are one day at a time, watch continues and afraid to think maybe an with the last episode of the third season which was called, maybe appropriately ghosts, I guess it hasn't quite given up the ghost yet. But there's been no word that they're gonna miraculously produce a fourth season out of somewhere. So we leave Lydia in Cuba. Presumably, she comes back at some point. Right. But I felt that aside from that video goes to cube out moment the rest of the episode was. Very much about tying up Lou. Yes. Was it ever? It's if you told me that they had heard before this episode was made that they were going this was the end. I would have believed it, 'cause it sure seemed like a slide off episode and even like they were hedging their bets, you know. Yes, just in case better to the yeah, I mean, even her being in Cuba, that sort of something that she would have wanted to do you want to see her a chance to do that, before you go. And it wasn't like she was kidnapped and taken there, and it's a big cliffhanger. You know, already shouldn't can get her back. So why even addressed all the, the boyfriend things, and although they that I kind of, by the end of the conversation, remembered that guy they brought at the end? But when he came in like how many boyfriends ago was this, yet max the talk. Yeah. Yeah. They still there's there's, there's one guy that I thought that had more potential Duman. We never saw again. So I wished he had shown up in this. Although I'm not sure at this point, I would recognize him. Yeah. But Schneider got his girlfriend. Elena gutter closure on her consent of Dan. Penelope, gutter degree. So it was it was a good episode but really felt like let's tie up every possible, loosen we can. Was odd and odd deceive things that we talked about kind of being addressed. So, okay. All right. Right. Well, good luck to you. Then. Hope everything works out. Well from here. I thought it was nice the way Alex in Alanna. Yes. There little moments were be he was like, hey, that was great. She her speed to Radi confess that she didn't say what she wanted to say than he entered a say at. Yeah. I mean, I, I guess it was sort of necessary for the general tying up of loose ends leaving things on a good feeling Ness of the episode. But I kinda wish her speech at just the speech, she gave to about still being heard about her dad. I kinda wish that had been left alone in that. It wasn't sort of all wrapped up in him the dads, stepping up in being a good guy again. Yeah. Well have been using real effect. It would have been more probably true to life if he. Yeah. Like I don't wanna good, right? We're good. I kinda like that thing like a little ROY edge. And the fact that she gave this really nice speech, and I'm thinking, well gal. Okay. I mean, I think that she also could also still been mad at him for leaving their mother. I felt little felt like the Nella deserved to be stood up for a little bit there as well. And not just the, the king scenario that meant so much to her once it involved rejection by her father, but meant absolutely nothing to her up until. We wrote that story arc for way back there in the first season where she didn't want it. Suddenly now it's the most important day of her life that was ruined. But okay. Teenagers do. So I'll let it go, but anyway. Well, I said to let one day at a time go, and I hope that it finds some, you know, angel some ghost to come down and save it. But if not it went out very pleasantly. Yeah. I was glad I'm glad we walked happy. I'm glad we watched it over the whole series. Yes, he to of well for west wing this week. We watch another sewed call drought conditions which one tap, every so often with this show, that it it's I don't I have problems with the episode, then I listened to the podcast, and then it makes me like the episode on more. So I came out of listening to the west wing weekly podcast up sewed of this much more pre should've analogy kind of feel like I wanna go back and watch it again. Did go back and watch the fight sees fight scene in the party scene, which got talking about a what? But I think what my whole problem with. It really is. I just really don't like the framing device at bar. I think it's kinda it's kinda. I mean it's like they're so obviously trying to make you drudge conclusions about their relationship is. I mean I like Mel Harris happy to see her getting a paycheck, but I just that I think still doesn't work for me and bothers me and. So even going into it now and knowing going in who she is it just seems needlessly tricky, what did you make that 'cause you worked coming into it knowing, who she was right? I did not know. So I guess like is she is she a prostitute? She a therapist. What is the arrangement? I thought it was somebody he was sleeping with, you know, which they were implying the whole time. And at one point when he said to his to the president, something about thank you for the letter for my sister-in-law. I hadn't sudden flash of like Okasha that his sister-in-law. Which. Luckily, no. Yeah, so. Yeah I was quite surprised when it was revealed at the end. It, it did fall. I mean not, not so much, Mr. act. But just the whole flashback at everything of felt very old timey west wing for sure. Right. I guess I just wonder if it was necessary. I'm kind of curious few if you re cut this just made everything chronological, if it would be that much worse. I mean, I think you still could I mean for me the, the fight between, Josh and Toby is like the center that is such a such a powerful uncomfortable moral seen to of just do guys suddenly going at it and, and that it's been building up for a long time that Toby is so resentful. And in that case the podcast did help me because I was having a little trouble buying that it would come to Boso quickly like that. But that may pointed out in the playoffs about how John wells, I think had told a story about him, and his brother, and how how they fought their kid out thinks could escalate extremely quickly. So I can see that. And, and as you mentioned, I mean, Toby has just been seething ever since Josh last and feeling so betrayed than on top of it. His brother right. Has died and aside by suicide end. So, yes, any can't punch his brother, right. So it's like it's all combined. And then also me, Josh is also been on our tremendous amount of pressure. Now, he suddenly, feels betrayed by this person who's been right? You know, like a brother to him. So as I could buy it, and I just bought sort of the rawness of it was was very nice and in the scene out awards CJ until views just heartbreaking is it's like it was completely everything in the road was worth it for that saying that was his FIA false. So wonderful and so much history. And so much, you know way to their relationship. And that was very nice. So I liked that. And hey, here comes Mark via savebig Kelly with galley gonna move into the steam pipe Trump distribution venue, where they put the Republican. Yeah. That should be consisting. Yeah. Yeah. Snide knew he was going back. I can remember exactly one. But good for him. And the whole the whole. Thing see to Laos and the whole the little bits of business all through bringing a little levity there. The, you know, I I didn't understand what had happened. I figured out later. What had happened with Aggie? Anna best shot or banner to tell her that she write letter thing down. With atmosphere. They made in the pipe only the women are noticing this, it was really no need to 'cause women are all the men Donau demand on notice. So that, right. Ended damage Aleph to house seeding in our closet, had all like stained. Taking them to the dry cleaner Civis against deigned instead of waiting for, you know, a whole closet. That was Margaret's point. But yeah, but I can totally see how you would hang it up. Thinking I need to take that. And then just like, you know, five, you know, global crises Passover, your down. And you might kinda forget. Yes, you. Tough job. And, and I did enjoy the willan Kate seen, although maybe not enough to merit how much about talked about on the podcast. But still it was. It was enjoyable and it's fun to see them getting together. Now I don't have to worry about him. Donna anymore. So. Anton, Josh slipped right back into the old. The old patterns where she pulls him aside to tell about this thing. He's like, is relationship about James and I'm like, oh, Josh layers, Josh, we know. He's been gone. But now he's in inappropriate again. During ice, the back in the White House. They're not your know chickens anyway. A. Good morning, more and more feeling that was a good up. So that up. So let's got. Yeah. I mean definitely Phelps like the west wing of your with all of the yes, you know, the highs in the lows and the cutting back and forth in the flashback game. You know, the, the personal drama, the political drama like everything. Yeah. Everything healed up in their delay hill. Got a few scenes. We haven't seen charleena while can't remember that guy. So this was without this is going to be just completely White House episode I had a little bit had white housing app. You, you had Matt Santos singer. Did enjoy that very much. I didn't realize until they talked about it on the podcast that he was singing Alison, because the articles written by somebody named Nells wondering why exactly that song. But that makes sense and I also completely did not understand who's glasses. Those were at any point in the episode her all through the podcast until somebody just kind of said it in passing brothers glasses. I know that I that they must have must have come out in the episode at something because I did know by the time, I listen, I knew, I remember one. Yeah. Happened if they did, I completely missed it. I know multiple people asked him about them in her. So I don't know where that came up. But. Solved a mystery hell swell now or mystery is what we're going we're going to watch for next week because sadly, we will not have an episode of one day time to watch any more at least for the immediate future. So we're going to go back to Fossey Verdon, which we talked about a couple of episodes ago. We what talked about a couple of votes, a couple of socio and our Anna talk about a couple more. So for next week we going to watch the third episode Nian and my baby and the fourth episode glory. And then we will talk about those, and then we'll go another couple of weeks in, we'll talk about the last two episodes in the series. So, and then on the west wing, we're gonna watch an episode called a good day which was mentioned in the west one weekly podcast, this week for being directed by Richard Schiff. So we shall look forward to that. And that is going to be at for around two today. Please subscribe to our parenting, roundabout podcast. So you won't miss any of our episodes. We have. 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23 - Eliza Ohman, Performer/Choreographer

Page To Stage

30:34 min | 1 year ago

23 - Eliza Ohman, Performer/Choreographer

"You're listening to the Broadway podcast network. Great performances on PBS is known for bringing the best in Performing Arts TV audiences across America. This month great performances is keeping the performing to live with Broadway at home a collection of the actress favorites available to stream on the PBS video APP titles include in the Heights chasing Broadway Dreams, director Kenny Leon's brilliant production of much ado about nothing provocative comments, present laughter, and many more stream them now on PBS dot org slash. That's PBS dot org slash G. P. E. R. F. or use the PBS video. APP. Are you a theater makers struggling to get your show off the ground claim your thirty day free trial of the theater makers studio and we'll help you get produced visit VPN. Dot FM slash studio now. Everyone and welcome back to page to stage a conversation with feeder makers we're your hosts stats Brian that's Mary to put it. Simply, we're both feeder nerds. So let's pull back the curtain and get a glimpse at the artist's process while creating their art. Hey Tony Vincent puppy in bleeding. Love I. Wanted To let you know that my single the title track from bleeding love is now available to listen at no charge on apple music, spotify youtube and all streaming platforms. The link can be found at BP an dot FM slash bleeding love. The full album will be available on August seventh enjoyed the songs from the twisted musical with a good. Harz. Well. Thank you everyone for coming and thank you for joining us today. Absolutely I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you for having me. We're so excited to have you and this is our first live episode. Wow, all three of us going through it together. How exciting inaugural experience I mean there's no other way to do it. No this is the only way it could happen. So. Let's dive right in and let's go back to when you first booked Hamilton. So what you were originally hired as the universal swing that is correct. Yes, and can you walk us through what that process was like? auditioning for Hamilton. Yeah, and did you know that you were auditioning for universal swing had not a clue that that even existed as an entity so no Hamilton at I auditioned for the show in like March of twenty sixteen. So this point it's been on Broadway for nine months. It's very much like we all know this is a smash. This is a huge moment, but all of the original company are still there and At this point, it was like we were the company wasn't sure what was gonNA happen after the Tony's because it's an exhausting show I don't know if you're familiar with. Hamilton in American musical but it's three hours long. It's like that's a lot on the performer eight times a week so. Much whole time there's physical show like, yet it's you're lifting tables. You're picking chairs you're on like moving surfaces, and sometimes they rotate in directions and you think you've stepped on a flat surface like just getting that was the turntable. There's a lot going on in the show and most of the company all of the Oh. Jeez had essentially been a part of three years worth of workshops a full run off Broadway, and now they're nine months into the Broadway run. So like people are exhausted and it's a massive show and so all of a sudden march of two thousand sixteen comes around and the creative teams say we need to audition people look we need to have people in the mix ready to potentially replace. Because who knows who will say after the Tony's, and then also we have plans for Chicago to happen. So anyway, March of two, thousand, sixteen, I got a hysterical email from agents that said, you have an appointment for Hamilton and I was like, okay. Sure I call them even I was like I, happy to go in for this like I love a free class. That's what auditioning is for me like it's an opportunity to work with people who don't normally. Who aren't teaching really anymore because they're so busy, they're working and so for me being in an audition is just a space to four free learn from the best in the business and get a moment perspective into their insight. So I was like I'm game I love free class. I'm totally down to do this but like I'm not sure this is my show. I don't know that. I. See myself in this and they said casting ask for me. So I was like a gay whatever you say I'll show up. This is a gag. So certain types of dance that you're trained in I know that you actually didn't go to school for for dance is that correct? That is a true statement I actually stopped dancing in college, and then my last semester had the bright idea of three and a half years away wouldn't it be fun if I just all of a sudden tried to be professional dancer what a genius? It's really really well for you. Lord like blessings V on all things like, yes, it has come to be. Again what a Gag So anyway the Hamilton audition process is long and involved, and now it's down to a science. But at that point, we had no idea they had no idea what they were doing and they didn't even really know what they needed. So I came in with like sixty other people in a teeny tiny room in ripley maybe like twice the size of this stage. And we learned a cut from Yorktown. And we did that in like thirty minutes. We did it in our small groups of three like two times through and they made a massive cut and how does all wait outside and us were asked to sing and so we come in to sing and Alex of has appeared in the room was like Hello Sir many congrats on the recent grammy. Like. You were not a moment to go. So then we sing for him. And Stephanie Clemens at this point was. Also. There are advocates so she could say. You know when you're behind the table, there's a little bit of like each department is advocating for people so that if maybe they're not doing. The thing that is their strong suit. You have someone who's kind of backing them up, which is cool thing. Everyone's always on your side when you're auditioning, they want you to be the right person. It's just a matter of finding that person. Sunday. Praised Be Stephanie. Clemens, is in the room I'm like, maybe this won't be my best, but I know I did well a moment ago so Here. Was your nothing fingers crossed. When I was also singing a song I was singing a cut from what I was born to do. It from bring on and I was like you've arranged everything about this is now like Comfortable. He was like Oh have never heard someone audition this and I was like great. So you're going to remember the person who's saying this originally. Cool. Anyway. So we get out of the room people are have been singing and they actually had to stop all of a sudden they said actually can lift aw list off six people Nass to come back into the room. And they're like, Hey, can you just do Yorktown again We want Tommy to see it and I was like. Hey Tommy up and going Mr Kale. So all of a sudden Tommy appeared and six of us who at this point have sung are just like randomly brought back into the room and one at a time do Yorktown for him while he's like. Whispering over his shoulder, but like not covering his mouth but whispering next to Stephanie Clemens seem for your mind when that happened the whole experience is so awkward everything about it as uncomfortable. It's just like but then again, I'm a big fan of like well, what else can I do? I'm already here so like I guess I'll just do it. Like, confidently on confident what like what is there to lose at this point like I'm in the room obviously I'm here for a reason but like what the hell's happening this is so weird I've never this is the only time in my life I've ever had to dance one at a time in front of a director while we were previously five minutes before this singing one at a time for the MD like it was very strange but he was only available for that chunk of time whatever we do our thing wanted a time super awkwardly Owen at the time in the room with me is justice Moore who is now the woman three on Broadway? Was the original woman three in Chicago. Also the original woman three on the second national tour select. She knows woman three pretty well, and then Hope Easterbrook who. was also the woman to replacement on Broadway. So it's just funny Oh Zelic Williams who was man foreign Broadway after seth took over as Lafayette like we all ended up being in the show at some point, which is Kinda, cool and awesome. And we're all going through like a really uncomfortable experience and we're all brand new like none of us had ever done Broadway. I was like brand new theatre just so we do that. We are politely asked to leave the room and then they say, you know what? We're actually not going to sing everyone else. We're just going to bring everyone back into the room because Andy has shown up, and now we're. GonNa do a section of room where it happens and I was like okay. So we all come back into the room and Ono we danced Yorktown again for but this time for Andy and Andy Le like Andy Blinken bueller audition is eight hours a year fully end like production rehearsal but you're auditioning and you're exhausted and he's like great. So you've done it three times do it again but this time better Sure. Is that a direct quote? That is a direct quote. Wait I feel empowered now. Thanks for building me up I. Love this pep talk. So anyway, it's like we do. I really love Andy. He's like truly one of my favorite people. Can't. Feel anything other than what he feels in that moment he's like I can't lie. That was terrible. Like great? Hopefully, that's motivation that you keep in your head and he says do better. Yeah you said you can do better. So I can yeah, that's a way to look at it. That's a good spin. Good pep talk in the moment I'm not sure that's how we all felt but in you know hindsight's twenty twenty. So anyway we do Yorktown gazillion times and all the configurations we've done in groups, and then it's like red shirt come out here flannel. How do I know you and so you're also like trying to be like I have a personality you know me then he does it like it's awkward it's still so do that and then they make a large cut. And My name is not called and I was like. I thought I did so well, some like packing up my things grabbing my stuff like walk out of the room like an it's like New York in winter and it's been an eight like I've already been there for six hours. So I have like my jacket and then I have the coal and then I have a scarf and I'm like holding Madiun choose, and then like a banana fell out of my bag. So it's like I just like a Bag lady I'm walking out of the room and I turned to Andy and staff knows. I. Just WanNa. Thank I had such a great day and he kind of gives me this like. Knows like awesome. I was like okay. Well, thank you. Bye. Continue to leave and then he follows me out and he was like Elisa why are you leaving I was like I I'm so sorry I'm confused. My name wasn't called. Yes, it was. No and he's he goes back to the pile and he goes you're my head shot had gotten stuck on like the person. Someone else's name hadn't been said because my head shot for some reason like their headshot was sticky and stuck to mind he was like, Oh, my God I'm so sorry and I was like well, this is Great. Well, what if you had never said he? Mind they have no I mean hopefully, they would have because you wanNA. Think you're so memorable but likely maybe wouldn't have called. You weren't enough. You know. So like always say thanks because. They are spending a lot of time on Youtube. So you just want to be gracious sunny way back in the room with like. Buy. Bananas Fall in front of this whole experience. I'm like picking it up and like everyone else's in their heels because we're doing what happens now and I'm like excuse me excuse me put on my stuff back to the heels on the combinations like two eight counseling already all I've got great screen everything's fine. Anyway so then we do room where it happens that happens. That's not funny. was. What made me chuckle? So anyway, we do room where it happens. And then that sort of the end of that day and so. Eight hours later day one has taken place, and then at the end of the day I got an email from agent was like they want you to come back of to learn another Combo and at this point, it was for an immediate replacement. This was to be betsy. Replacement the woman to track. So I came back and started the day, put my stuff in and Andy comes into the room like before the other day start he's also simultaneously auditioning cats at this like. In the same like in the same rehearsal space. So we're like we're all at Gibney downtown and like Union Square beautiful building, and he's like walking in and out of the auditions. Because he's auditioning for massage and also auditioning Hamilton. So anyway, we go in and he comes into the room before we start and he's like, Elisa? He's A. Second I was like sure so I go over and chat and he's like, okay. So I think this is going to be great I see. I Really WanNa work with you. He's like I'm just not sure. I, I'm not sure I see you. In an ensemble I think that you're more of a soloist and I was like. Thank you. That's really nice but also I want to be in the show. So like where have we gone wrong But I'm looking for Victoria so I'M GONNA I'm GonNa, call you in for cats I'm just right under your inflammation give it to Lindsay and we're going to call you in for cats but I think you should still do today like. Stephanie really like zero in on it I'm just not sure this is right for you now it's like. Okay, also, I can just tell you one hundred percent right now I'm not a Victoria like there's literally zero extension that I offer. That is the sole purpose of her solo. So I, was like well, this is now I'm going to embarrass myself again, and now you also don't think I'm right for this show. So like cool I'm thrilled to start the day with you anyway. So we do my shot, we make cut we sing again. For Alex, lack of more than he teaches the sections of music from the show. Then we have to do my shot again. Then we have to do room where it happens again. Then we're just at this point it's me hope Brooks and one other girl hope easterbrook and one other girl and we go through the whole experience the day whatever and I didn't get it hope. Ended up getting the role and I was like man I really thought this was mine and then that night my agent called and they're like, they want you to do a boot camp. It's like what the heck is boot camp and it's like a week long rehearsal process where we were paid to learn show I hear all about it all the time I it's very famous now. A staple at this point, they're like, essentially, the boot camp was like one in extended audition that you got paid for, which is great but also it was just like. They had never taught the show to people that didn't know the material. At this point, they're five years into the production and they've just been creating the material with people that know all the reference points. So if they make an adjustment in my shot, they still have the vocabulary and the sense of like there's just general. There's all this unbelievable knowledge that people have to offer and so there nope, they know now at this point, they're going to be building a Chicago company with brand new. And they're like, we don't even know how long it takes to teach this show. We've gone through the process where it was like we had eight weeks that we needed, but it was we were making massive changes like they just they had no idea what it was going to look like. So it was also really informative process for them Sunday I did the boot. Camp I learned a track with someone else exotic Williams ended up being my partner in Boot Camp he learned man Juan I learned woman to we learned the vocals and staging for like ten numbers of the show, and then the week ended and we were all like. So did we book? or No do find out right away. No. So that was like the end of March, the boot camp and I got called back in. In May to like do the material again with an this point, it's like I Chicago and possible reply. Always ambiguous freezing your like. For anything or nothing like what's happening here, but you just go and show up and you like. Do your best and so I did all the things again and I sang my songs again and then I didn't hear anything again, and then in the middle of the summer I like in June I got a call from my agent and they said Alexandra more wants you to come in for a thirty minute vocal session. Like. Okay. Sure he wants anything six if. War knows my name I'll be there. So I show up to another like random space in midtown and he's like, okay let's sing some songs. Okay. It was just you to just me and him how do impair for that like how do you know it's just it's so awkward it's awkward every time lean into the awkwardness. Yeah I'm a big fan of lean into the awkward embrace the unknown there's literally nothing I can do about it. It's not my job to say no to myself and cut myself off from this opportunity. My job is to say, yes, my job is to show up and my job is to like be game like I think one of my biggest advantages like. Player and I'm always willing try even if I think I'm going to like fabulously mess up. So Mike Yeah I can do that. I. Might Follow my face but sure let's find out I. don't care like it's not that deep. So you just prepare like that also whenever I'm scared it's all this amazing Ted talk about our physical body language. And how it's like the one of the examples they give is like people who have been blind their whole life when they feel triumphant, they make themselves big and so it shows that like there's an internal response in our bodies. When we feel successful about ourselves, our reaction is to extend ourselves and we feel self conscious we roll in and there's A couple of studies that they reference that are really fascinating but the takeaway is like if you are nervous about something, the most empowered thing you can do in that moment is to make yourself big and so I literally will go if I'm nervous out of my mind sometimes I just it in the audition room because also like nothing is that deep. By just don't care what other people think and I will literally just like power poles it out like starfish out and I'm like lift my Chin and I'll just stand there like, yes, I am great I can do this everything's fine and you feel like eighty eight for like thirty seconds and then all of a sudden you're like I am great. I can't do this everything is fine and it's like a really interesting psychological thing that happens like we are able to change our brain chemistry just by like how we step into something. So anyway I power posed it, but I was the only one in the space it was just like me Bethany knocks in the hallway and I was like, Hey, girl. Hold on a second. Just. Like stuff. Like in retrospect for sure, could have gone to the bathroom been in the stall by myself like no. No did in front of like the woman from Chelsea, who's asking the show like this is weird. I'm endearing right that's that's what this is definitely something to remember. No memorable in all the wrong ways but memorable. Anyway. Just like power bows out because I thought I, was GonNa pee my pants or like pass out with anxiety showed up. Gotten, the room, same Mike Songs that he'd heard at this point like three other times and then he's like, okay let's like let's learn a section of week for it was like awesome. I don't know how. Great Sunday. He taught me the soprano line the alto line just to see how I pick up music. Because I don't read music I think that's true for a lot of performers I because I didn't study this night didn't grow up. A lot of people grew up singing in church like can hold a tune a understand but I know that if goes up your voice goes up. If a note goes down, your voice goes like I. Don't know what's happening. It's anyway it was just like singing along with them like. He's plunking it out and it was watching like, okay sort of think. Anyway. Did that then my my my best friends, Christina Glare who is now currently a swing and Hamilton and I put her into the show and I was there also walked into the room right after meals like, hey, we're both here for this. Awesome. But then an hour later, I got the call from agents and they said you're going to be a universal swing. Can you explain what a universal swing is? Yes. Basically it's like super swing. That's the only way I can describe it. You are a swing, you cover all of the roles you would in a company. So for me, it's like the five female ensemble tracks but doing that for any North American production of Hamilton. Or of any production whatever show you're doing. And so you just get flown with twenty four hours notice or more than that if. Things are working out great and you show up and you watch the archive and you let clock the differences and then you Perform with people that you don't know simple. Easy Yeah superfund. I also heard that like the woman five on Broadway's different track than what would be on tour? Is that correct? Okay. Well, maybe their base line of all of the tracks are basically the same tracks did you have to cover? There's five women in each company and I was a universal swing when we had three North American productions. So in total that's fifteen. Well, but honestly, I only performed I never performed with the ANDJELKA company because I ended up pretty much exclusively being universal swings are based out, of New, York always and then whenever they're not in New York, it's because they're on the road with another company. So I ended up being pretty much exclusively used between New York and Chicago and did end up doing all five roles in both companies in the course of being a universal swing but only with Chicago in total like ten weeks. And how do you prepare for that? How do you like? How did you organize learning all of those tracks yet Stephanie Clements is the associate I think Nash called Global. Dance. Supervisor because there's so many productions of Hamilton. Like what awesome title sounds like you're taking over the world. Love, it She gave me some of the best advice which is like it doesn't matter how scared you are to do this learn one track at a time. You will retain the information so much more effectively if you focus on one thing and learn it all the way through because then when you learn the second track, you'll learn it in half the time and that just continues on as you learn everything else and so just being comfortable and it's the same with auditioning just like being comfortable with the unknown being totally at peace with like it's okay that I don't have all that information that's information I don't need yet now in my case in. Learning my one track, which was woman one like 'cause I learned the show with them and I was out there for tech in previews, and then the last preview I got a phone call I woke up to a phone call that said Hey Elisa we need you to be woman to today said. Okay Great. I will be there and then got off the phone and was like. Oh, my God I don't know women to yet I haven't learned woman power posed Oh a tower post grocer like depressed. You're find. This is great. You're going to be great. You've got this do have this like. The majority. And then just showed up to the theater like. Because also the thing with preparing for something like that at the end of the day as a swing if you go on. You're going to push you people are going to push you. There's like A, we call it shove with love and like kind is like no this because it's like Oh this way like there's all these little things we do to help each other out but also no matter what happens if the show goes on, you did your job. Because with in Hamilton, there are no credible tracks. So like every, every single track has to be onstage in order for it to be successful in order for like everyone who paid in the audience to see the show that day to get to see the show, and so there's an element of like. Well, I literally can only win because by virtue of being on stage, the show is still happening. So. If you take yourself off the pressure of just knowing like I just got to do something I can pre end like give yourself space to breathe you just in the moment you're like, okay. Yeah. I can do this. So what's one thing that you would tell another person that's going to be a universal swing or yourself if you had no knowledge of your experience as university, would you tell them? I, think the most important thing is to be gracious with yourself. Swings do not have the luxury of the full rehearsal process the way onstage company does, and so you have to like I'm such a big advocate of like self love and self care and so like freeing yourself of unreasonable expectations just knowing like your doing great where our own worst critic and you just let things roll off you. It's nothing. Is that deep? We're literally singing and dancing for a living in costumes playing pretend like what that literally it doesn't matter like, yes changes the world and like I will be an advocate for arts education all day every day. But like it's not that deep, that's so interesting. So many of our guests have said that same thing about whatever they do in the theater whether it's work as costumes at work in costumes on stage playwrights. They a lot of them say that exact same sentiment no, it's important. I think it's just easy to forget. You know we get tunnel vision and we forget the wider scope of things and like there's a lot that we think matters in our life that if you take a second to just breathe. You realize there's more happening and you can just like let you can just give yourself a little bit of grace. So now moving into yesterday, you just announce that you're the associate choreographer for six Broadway. Yes. So exciting the so I'm assuming you have you started Hertzel's yet or start on Monday on Monday. Yeah. So as you go through any sort of pre production. I learned six by they flew me out to London and I had six full days of rehearsal where I was taught the show from carryanne offer and her UK associate melody and just the three of us in a room with water bottles as microphones and a learned the choreography to the show in four days, and then we did two days of like sorting out. Bless you. We did two days of sorting out. Like principal tracking for like individual numbers and then they were like, okay have fun preparing. We'll see you in a month. So that's what I did. Unfortunately we're running out of time. So I, I wanna we always ask our guest is a final question. What was the last great piece of theater that you saw? Oh. My Gosh, I saw slave play and it is like I haven't seen a piece of theater in a long time that every day since seeing it something about it has. Stuck with me or I've thought about it and like it's provoked a lot of really interesting questions like it. So masterful, I am so on like give Jeremy Harris, upholster yesterday team like it's just one of the most brilliant things pieces of theatre I've seen in I don't know how long it's extraordinary and now it's closed. So sorry I've now or something that you can't see may that. Well. Also, we are going to hopefully in the next few weeks be recording apart of this episode in our podcast network studio. So feel free to check that episode out airs, and we'll have this part of mix with the new part, which is yeah and if you guys have any questions anybody in the audience, you can D-, D- On instagram at page to stage podcast and where can we find you on the social media? Yeah. So my instagram is super exciting. It's at Elisa Omen. That's Like Oh, man isn't she? Great? Walk into every audition that pretty much, and they're like Elisa is that like a long? And I. Haven't heard that one. Two years guys. So that's my instagram and the my twitter is at Elisa. Underscore omen because a stranger in somewhere in Norway stole mine my name I don't know why so underscore on twitter. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Sorry I talked to so much. Thank you guys for coming coming out. Thanks everyone for listening to this of page to stage to keep up with us. 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Tolkien Q&A - George R.R. Martin - Dome Karukoski - Nicholas Hoult - Lily Collins

The Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith

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Tolkien Q&A - George R.R. Martin - Dome Karukoski - Nicholas Hoult - Lily Collins

"Without a doubt, George Martin was influenced by JR Tolkien. And I think it goes a bit beyond the are ours. Howdy. I'm Jeff Goldsmith. And this is the QNA. My gender is simple. Each week. I plan to bring you in depth insights into the creative process of storytelling, folks. This was a fun Q and A attended in the fine folks at FOX searchlight were kind enough to let me share it with you. So I think them for making this entire episode possible. It was recorded the premier for Tolkien the village theater in Westwood earlier this week when game of thrones novelist, George are Martin moderated Acuna with Tolkien's director dome. Kiro Kaczynski and actors Nicolas whole to plays a young JR Tolkien and lily Collins who plays his future wife, Edith Bratt. I gotta say I quite enjoyed the film, and it gives insights into the man himself before he wrote the hobbit and Lord of the rings trilogy, and even provides a peek into the beginning of his long process to write the hobbit, which I of course, wanted more of but was quite happy to have. Was there? So hope you go see the film about this legendary writer after you hear this full chat of admiration for toll keen that highlights the respect these folks have for the man and his work. So I know you'll dig this episode and speaking of things to dig I hope you'll also check out the brand new issue issue. Thirty seven of backstory magazine, it's our ventures in game issue, which you could read at backstory dot net. That's right. You could read the entire magazine they're on a desktop laptop. And also the are Pat app or on an Android via Google play. We've got nearly twelve thousand words between our spoiler filled. Indepth interviews with writers, Markus and mcfeely and directors the Russo brothers as we talk about avengers endgame, and even take an in-depth look back at avengers Infinity war, and it was really fun to be able to shine a light as to how this box office record. Breaking film was made. If you've never read us before you could test drive us by reading issue one. It's a free issue at backstory dot net. And then I hope you'll consider subscribing by the way if you'd like. To attend one of my screenings here in Los Angeles. It's generally free to do. So and you could sign up at backstory dot net. Just click on the screenings tab, and you could sign up to get on our free invite list, which would allow you to bring a guest, but now without any further. Do let's jump right into the village west with eater as the QNA began with novelist and moderator George are Martin who will interview director dome, karaoke, hausky and actors nNcholas Holt and lily Collins who chat about their latest film token. Thank you. And thank you for coming. So did you enjoy the movie? Yeah. It's a pretty it's a pretty amazing work of art. I saw it myself a few days ago. And of course, I've been a token fan since I was a witch child. I think of twelve or thirteen. And as a writer, I've always been fascinated by the man behind the stories, and what I love about this movie. Is it gives us a glimpse of the man behind the stories? You know token. Wrote the hobbit in the thirties and loaded rings was published in the fifties. He didn't really become well known though until the paperbacks came out in the United States in the in the sixties, and suddenly this relatively obscure British fantasists was a worldwide phenomenon and the picture we got of him at that stage was. Of elderly Oxford done, philology and expert in languages and expert in beowulf. It's kind of startling though to think that he was he was a young man of very vital young, man. A student at Oxford and his friends at came for that he had this extraordinary friendship with other people. And of course, his love story, which I think is an amazingly romantic story that this film captures beautifully will. And it's nice to see this. Viewpoint of of what what token was like when he was young and of the events that shaped him, including of course, all the ugliness of World War One and what he and his friends suffered during that war. So I found the film profoundly moving and congratulations to you folks who who helped make it that. So let's let's start to discussion with our director here and tell us a little about the the history of how this film came to be in your your role in involving that. Have you always been a token fanatic? Did you know his work from from the beginning? And. I live touched based on the introduction. But in in a way toll commend to me as pointed out in the beginning being in the loan bullied, and an outcast and outsider allows you. He's stories I read the loitering 's and I went to the hobby that age of fifty s he limited in came. We were talking about how difficult it was read as young man and intriguing. It's now become my favorite of his books and in terms of ride into class of writing Lord of rings still holds that place. I mean, how shapes woods, and how shapes sentences, but similarly in being the depth, and the story of history, the story of people he's sort of people that you see in this film which much touches base. So perhaps in Lillian has become that most meaningful art piece regarding this Phil for me, so most of this mall, hints, or you might call them inside Easter eggs or the moments of revelation to him are actually divided deriving from this. And not necessarily you have to read them, you fifth sense that so for me coming to this project was intriguing because I got sent the script by the producers by major by foot FOX, I lead whom I had met earlier, and I didn't know about this time of his life. You know, I had the same vision of him. You know, debating would see us Louis at the baby in the burden, you know, smoking pipe, and and showing someone shouts not under oath. And you get this feeling that he's very league he's still privileged Oxford in and then suddenly the story, you know, often the person who has to struggle through classes struggle to life from darkness into light. It was something mesmerizing that needed to be told. Nncholas how about you were you. Had you read token before this part came your way were you a fan? I was a fun. Yeah. I I read the whole bit because it was given to me by the directors of about a boy on the on the of that film. So I've read that then and then and then it was pretty shortly after that the Lord of the rings movies came along. So I read the books and then watch the films, and then I played the Pokemon called came out grown up. And that was that was the Lord of the rings card game which felt like a much more grown up version of I've stay off the schools and complained that as well. So it was incredible thing where he'd been a big part of my of my childhood. And then this came along. And I've realized that I was mispronouncing his name by also knew nothing about what had. So I said, wow. There's this remarkable story behind all this mythology. I knew nothing about an regardless of what he then created. This is an incredible story about this young man, losing his parents, and then finding love and friendship and all this inspiration to create and also having those taken away from him because of the war. So yeah, it was a story that stood alone. And something that I found incredible to discover him. I think one of the cool things about this film is even oh token is is. You know, one of the great writers the twentieth century and his his works is published all over the world. But you don't actually have to know much about his work to enjoy this film. It can be enjoyed simply as a film about friendship and love and what that generation the World War One generation when went through it's done. I was saying this. There's levels of Easter eggs hidden within it, some even I wouldn't have gotten the references to be honest. I can video couple. But I mean, the level is discussed a lot of with Nick that not necessarily sorry to interrupt you buy. But I mean, the thing is that forced is similarly moment when he creates a two trees valley, nor Darden's doesn't have to know that as the first idea whole kind of idea that I had is that every glimpse every moment that you see in the film, which, you know, basically, it was bringing in while I was shooting, and while, you know, for instance, they lost shot of him confronting the ultimate evil. If you remember on the shoot, it's one of the second loss shots of the whole film. I mean few shoot when basically Tolkien rises against the Lord of evil. It's not yet more goes, it's not yet moment of funeral phone with confronting more. Goes is not yet Gondal confronting the ball, Rog. But it's very sensual into his, and that's shot from ISIS, we shot like, we did it wasn't in the script. But it was an idea of that's feeling when we aren't set shooting this horrifying war that he must have felt this so shout into Nick come here. Come here. Let's take this camera here. Let's do this. You know, that feeling emotion can Bill. Adding these very lay elements of coming from his own emotion as an person that he felt how vein it is go up. How vain the battle must be as those who know read this letter, leeann fingle going towards more growth is quite way, you kind of know that he's gonna win. So there are layers in there, but you don't necessarily have to know a read the model and to enjoy that moment. So little your your involvement. You were you were telling me outside that you almost played an elf in one of the Peter Jackson by almost most. I mean, I was one of probably hundreds at audition. Yes. You still have your pointed ears idea. I do I thought would it be too much to where tonight, and I did not wear them. Sadly, I know I probably should have. But there are a few people in audience that are rocking them. So. Right. Yeah. There you go. I am internally one of you. I'm just not wearing them tonight. But yeah, I was a fan of Tolkien's work ever since I was little I grew up in the English countryside running around, what looked to be Shire Lewis Shire world to me, pretending they're elves and fairies in the trees, and basically already in that world and then. I think probably seven years ago. Maybe if not longer they were auditioning for Evangeline Lilly's part in the movies. And I was one of like, I said probably hundreds and never even made it to the level that it would have been to be considered. But the other lily got it and. And so I don't know it was it was interesting. I wouldn't have thought that years later. I would've ended up playing the woman who inspired the character. So it just proved to me that you can be you may not always be everyone's version of something. But if you're one person's version, that's all that matters. And so. It was I laughed myself. When I found out it was doing until how we do the costing process is that amid Nick he was of course, you started talking Mitnick when London and we was through shaping the script. So that time I wanted didn't want to show him the script. It's just ended up talking for an hour and a half. And after that, I just knew that. Okay. That's our token her, of course, she resides in Los Angeles. I was costing England and was Skyping to talk about it. And you mentioned it earlier in the introduction that your vision of what an elven Pence's fails like a day just thirteen right? Looks like and then you know, when you Skype this always a problem this distance because this gloss that's actual a dimension between you and her shine and kind of explosive warmth that came through that glossed Kim through the dimension was something I felt token must've felt. When he was there in the forest looking at her dawns, and then creating delay of Barron Lucienne. So that moment that warmth explosiveness was like, there's there's new theme. There's never lady. Did you know before you that's a scripted, you know, much about tokens life. And I didn't I sad because I'm someone like you. I love the story behind the story. And I couldn't believe that. I hadn't taken more time to learn about talking himself and then doing research on Edith, unfortunately, for a woman of that time in her stature social standing being an orphan, there's very little research to be done about her as well. So I was not aware of who. She was the second. I found out. I was like a no brainer to be a part of something. Like this. If you're not familiar with his life story. A lot of people are startled to think of token as someone who has romantic, I mean, he's romantic in the old sense of the romantic poets and all that Middle Earth is suffused with that capital our romance. But. Though, the love story in his real life. Was so intense and the powerful I think the this hope that still alive it's like the idea that they were orphans in their first and foremost friends, and then they were each other's confidantes and source of escapism. And then they became the baron and Lucienne story that was written on their gravestones until their eighties. When they visited those. Need to take a field trip out there? You might talking about the images pictures, you folks, some of the prep that I could do because there was very little to be said about Edith were photographs of the two of them or some solos of her. But there's always this kind of deep set cheeky nece behind her eyes. And they're both there is in these pictures, and they just look like that old coupled bicker and call each other out on things but really love each other like the ultimate couple goals. And I think that it's true. And it's something that I think people could write off as something of just made up in the movies. But it's not and they were each other's one. And only loves and I think it's it's a beautiful story that I don't think like, you said people don't know. Profound and his friendships were also very important to them, the the friends he made it that at Oxford and Cambridge many of whom unfortunately did not make it through the carnage of the first World War. How how much did you research those and the lives the tragically cut short flights of of his friends? I think we both did our own research in different layers and discussed a lot together about it. But I started with just digging about everything read everything I met every every Tolkien expert that I could meet that the point and every token expert will have a different kind of story and also different way to pronounce the name was actually wanted to pronounce it toll key. And every time, you know, he talk say, well, you know, keen, of course, and then because will keen on you know, you know, you have different interpretations and different characters. And I read everything and I need. There's a lotta lets us. Yeah. The interpretation the in the relationships on. And that's what I found useful has letters mainly that was a big takeaway from the film actually was this idea of these young boys setting out to change the world through art. And then and then token finding this safe place to create an express himself with that friendship group. But then losing the mole feeling like he's still had to carry that torch forward after their voices were lost. And that's kind of my big takeaway from the movie, I think is like all the voices that we lost because of that war and all the that would have been created the we didn't get to receive. So we're very fortunate that we go his work essentially the drudge to the tragedies that so many lost. And there's one to tell their story who will lost. And I think that's what he did. Maybe not direct one on one inspirations, you know, the they were actually more when you read his letters, and and he's stories, and is they were more visited the. But it was always these four, you know, I think it was total eight or nine members who were there for a week, and or something and Tolkien himself wrote to the other members Gilson Weisman beige Smith Smith that it is us for this is immortal four, and and he was adamant about we should keep out all the rest. And you can actually get that you can get Jeffries book of poetry with the Ford by by token as well if anyone's interested. That we have some questions that were submitted by members of the audience and the the members of legion and one ring. So let me throw in a few few those that are sort of interesting here or one question here for for all three of you is what was your favorite scene to film? And why was it your favorite? Take my favorite team was the grand cafe saying the Lillian I did because first of all it was a scene that domain was very protective of normally when you read the script if there's like seven or eight page dialogue scene. That's the first thing to be cut down as as the schedule starts to get tighter. And tighter. But dummy it was very protective of this idea of the first time you see the adult versions of these characters getting to really sit with them spend time with them and understand their love. And I think it's a scene where we have a lot of fun playing it. But also, you see how Edith inspires pushes and pokes Tolkien to create an also getting the glimpse into his love of language and imagination. And that's something that I didn't know before reading the script. Door cellar door. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So it's one of those things where my that was something that I was astounded by reading about token, all these worlds and creations stemmed from his love of language so getting to kind of try, and then interpret that onto screen was something that I really loved and they did that they actually did that they will throw sugar cubes on which people's hats. We have the same that scene. Plus, just the the non verbal the non dialogue scene of outside the opera when we're every enacting the opera because both scenes get you get to see how they felt like outsiders, and they were very poised and put together for their time. But on the flip side, they were silly. They were goofy. They did throw sugar cubes. They did reenact things have costumes so getting to show someone about period almost mimicking themselves is very rare. And I thought it made it very realistic. And we got to improv and have fun and silly. And that was really fun. We'll have to favorite scenes and into one is basically that opera scene. Back alley opposite, which I kind of built into the script because I've read about some of you her the Tolkien used address tonight and the scare people industry of Oxford. And and I was trying to fit that in descript was difficult. We're doing it film about a relaxed person. Sometimes you hear these wonderful stories segments, but you can't fit them into certain dramatical narrative. So that the motion and emotional flow is coherent. So how do you wash that the characters or that your true emotional truths of the cactus? So that's why I built the scene where talkie and with Edith dresses up. They don't scare what kind of play that their own music their own history together. And then the second one, which is because I approached a war because there's not much documentation about his wartime. And the thing we had a versions which were more factual and the emotion and income through what is feeling of war. It felt more of more historical than like. So then we went into this thought that have this thought that what if he's all this time during this film dreaming? He's he's lying Southampton. He's his hospital, and that's his dream of war. So not necessarily everything element has to be factually true. But it is emotional takeaway. So of course, the climax of that is the big charge going over the top which he actually did when they go with the Heston line, historically. We don't know we don't know how many times the a gun, we don't know those facts, but we know that he experienced that going over the top and how insane that warfare is. And how Bain it is. And how the war must have felt for him. That's kind of my second favorite scene because we also shot it during a two week period. Token, always. Resisted the suggestion that his his worst were inspired. Well by his experiences, more one. And also, of course, he adamantly resisted the suggestion that anything into books was inspired by World War Two. And you know, the people who said sour on his Hitler. And that kind of thing he yes, he hated that. Did you did you wrestle with that issue when you were? You know, putting this together. Well, I think the Hitler note, of course, becomes because he was kind of pressured at time to try to get a headline in a way that personality thing but understand as an artist you might actually also this better. He's an artist. You also try to neglect. The fact that you don't have direct. I mean, I never had one on one is perations. The film doesn't try to portray the one to one. He's perations. I mean, the drive ins on the flame thrower us, of course, or this not specific element in the war that is barred him to but you built you shape. You see something that builds into something if if you say Boto in the books is a creature fire shadow where do you see fire and shadow that's explosions. So it doesn't doesn't mean that bottle case an explosion, but defects, you builds shapes who you are. So I approach it in the theme that everything that he kind of touched his doing this film, every vision every sound the sound of the trees when wind hits. Them everything. There is something that shaves his mind. So the film, I know maybe use papers headlines tried to say this is what they spire, but we didn't intend to that. We're not trying to show accurate one. Oh, one is perations. He only named a few barren Lucienne to dance this sort of cool level, which is a Finnish mythology coming from my country from Kalevala. Then is by interim body. There's only a few that he directly mentioned this is one. Oh one. And that I believe is true. I think will one wasn't his more. But I think the motionless experience took away there is very relatable to almost every character. They an innocent character journeys into war, and there's a corruption of his mind, and this destruction he's felt that he seeing that with his fellow soldiers. So that's what you're trying to show. I did want to mention the Finnish national epic the Kalevala has. And I I did want to ask you about that. I mean, I'm I'm fatally aware of the existence of this. But I've never actually read it. How wrong influence d do you think it was on Lord of the rings or the similar land? I think more on this because he got to know the color of all the time when he wrote this letter, which he wrote before the Hobbiton before we. Started writing this before or elements in so call it, basically, it's a much harsher, and they hit the bottom vitamin and is much more Melvin character, you know, much evil character evil, but selfish. So it's not I don't think it's such it isn't a battle of good and evil, but it's tied to nature and other thing that's effected him a lot in from the villa and the language as many of you don't know Phoenix language in kailua. What was the also has a very, much inspired elven language Kenya? His his love of language. Of course, it was one of the defining characteristics of token, and he said a very high bar for all of us other fantasies to try to follow. I tell you, you know, he invented entire languages. I just fake it. On HBO came up when I showed game of thrones HBO, and and you know, they're saying, well, we have to have entire scenes here that are in Dauth rock guy. Can you send us your your Rakai book and syntax and rules, and you know, and token had been asked that he would have responded promptly with gigantic things on his his different Elvis languages or dwarf. Issur Bill language of the men of new minore? I had to say. Invented like, eight words of death rock. You'd better hire guy who can invent the rest of the language and they did. So. What management which actually we also did just short phrases that we actually hired a professor of English section who holds Tolkien's share in Oxford because the language is to Kenya of the quantity is not yet finished. He's on his way that he has an invented they'll is yet. So that's why it's creating language of the ferries. So we have to invent our own language economy. Aquaria nNcholas how is your Finnish nowadays, by the way? Very good. Now that was something that was difficult about the film because it was one of those things what by I'd get sent through the pages. And I'd I'd read what I thought was written on the page, and then not hear a recording. And I'd be like, well, this just doesn't. It doesn't match up that sounds in there that just on less on the page or vice versa. So I had to kind of listen to it, and then phonetically right to out and then go back and put the meaning back into what I was saying because I had no idea what was going on to be honest with you Phuc, some jumping in really quick to tell you all about backstory magazine, which you could read on a desktop laptop ipad or even on an Android tablet via Google play. We recently published issued thirty seven which is our avengers in game issue in issue. Thirty seven you'll find nearly twelve thousand words of in-depth. Spoiler specific interviews with in co writers, Christopher Markus and Stephen mcfeely plus co directors the Russo brothers as they all break down. What went into some of in games, most important scenes, heck, we even took a look back at the lessons of avengers Infinity wars. 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Our Martin continues interviewing director dome, karaoke, hausky and actors nNcholas Holt and lily Collins about their latest film toll keen at the Salvator saying, of course, was one of my favorites too. I think that's a a marvelous scene for the the two characters and all that. But I also loved. The scene where he gets up and quotes Chaucer from memory, even though his book has been stolen here. And can you quote Chaucer from Maryland? Harry Gilby who played the younger Tolkien. These here this evening. Unfortunately, don't do trouser. You don't get to bail out actually here because we discussed everything that is in this film. Even though it's young version of you. You have done an experienced. So I think in my mind you should now. Recite chaucer. The young okay. Down that rabbit hole performing mobbing. No rabbits hobbits. You mention your character was the inspiration for Tolkien's woman. Which woman would you say eah win Galadriel Luther Lutheran? That their love story. I think is what resonated strongly with me specifically. But also it was on their tombstones. Each other's ultimate love, you know, you have a a human male and elven Princess and kind of that forlorn love and everlasting love. And I think he he just drew so much inspiration from her, and the fact that they you know, they were each one each other's one and only loves until death and had on their tombstone. I mean that it just was so moving to me and for for generations to come. I think also see echoes Edith in glad real or you win or. Goes to bud lot which is intriguing because there's not that much. She's our own female figure basically in the film, of course, with Mabel Tolkien, the mother. And intriguingly. You look at tokens mythologies Galadriel is one of the most strongest Elvis else if not the strongest of the first born. Even a man can kill the witch king, but women can there are several really strong female cactus. And I think that became because when you read and look at their life and unity that the became a thing. Tolkien looked very much up to Edith, even though we know she was home, and she was taking care of their children, which is new does normal that that time. But yet the same thing see she's spot, and she inspired him very much. We're doing our last question. I'm being shown a clock. Let we're out of time. Ready this one more one, okay? Well, let me say we have a lot of good questions here. Damn what is your favorite book or the book that made the most impact on you? Doesn't have to be token. Hang on. That's why I second guess. And don't say they'll say game of thrones. That's right out. Favorite book? That's quite difficult question to answer. That'd be announced this, okay? My favorite books is great Gatsby because I wait God. Yes. When I got to know my dad, he was living in New York. I was late teen, and we're driving to meet my sister's Rhode Island, and I would basically on the way to New York to Rhode Island read the great Gatsby. So there's this voyage. And you're basically right as tweeted that was a big affect after loitering, which I read before and now as an older age, I would say seal Melian, he's a big effect on my storytelling. I talked about the great cat street. We had a thing here in the US. The great American read that was on a few months ago and oddly enough to two books that I talked about as profound influence on may were ordered rings and the great Gatsby. Both of which among other things have strangely. I think one thing in common, which is an absolutely kick ass ending. I think the ending last page the last sentence of a book is the last thing that you go away with and God, the ending and a great Gatsby with the green light at the end today's he stuck and and so we beat on both against the current beautiful and be ending of Lord of the rings. When when Sam comes home. Yeah. Amazing. So lily your book. Well, you already said not to say yours. So I'm off the hook. Because. I gotta say all the Harry Potters. I oh good. Oh, good. Thank god. Don't get me started. Okay. I will get out. I would bring those books with be into stores and sit in the corner and just like if my mom was doing something market shopping. I'd bring it. I be reading it in the corner somewhere. I should wear would these. Where would these sorting head put you Griffin door? No that all the movies every that's my this is my geek out phase. Sorry. I know we're here for like Lord of the rings and the hobbit, but I'm also Harry Potter. Okay. But Gandalf could kick Dumbledore says. I'm going east of and in this moment, east of it. Yeah. Well, that's a great great book. Why why what I love? I love the volition of the families through the story. There's also a one paragraph that I have written off on my wall about the introduction of Tom at. It's just it just captures that carrot too. So puff the moment where it's like someone. I'd wanna be but also failing at the same time and don't ask me to quite a right now because able to under this pressure, but it's just one of those things where like his writing in that book, I loved how evolved through those families. Now, you should be able to recite it in old English like Chaucer. Are we are we really out of time here? Yes. And to wrap it up. Okay. For most we would love to give you actually the poems from jeffer- Bache myth. Oh, amazing. Unless as a as a that is authentic. And then thank you to introduce Finland. It's a Phil. When new guys talk about feelings. So it's a film about song. Not mine. Okay. I did. I did. I don't know if they use Suomi on the Stephen Colbert show a few months ago, where we were talking about my my book came out in November. But also about token Kobe's, a huge token geek, and he was pressing me for two differences between my books and tokens and dance. Right. Came up was porn. No, there's no porn in Middle Earth. I did I don't even know where they come from. Because we're where two female orcs where do your cats and Steven Steven could not answer that but gone. Have you seen them? No. Door exactly. Anyway, I we're out of time. Just when we hitting or. Thank you so much. And you know, I'm I'm. Go forth and blog about what a wonderful movie, it is and tell all your friends and go see it again. Thank you. Thank you. And that's how the Cubanacan would down special. Thanks again to FOX searchlight for allowing us to podcast this fun QNA. And of course, to the fine folks, contributing to this chat, including novelist moderator, George r r Martin director dome karaoke hausky actors Nicolas Holton lily Collins, as they all discussed their latest film toll keen if you dig this podcast. 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2020 Golden Globes

Pop Culturing

37:19 min | 1 year ago

2020 Golden Globes

"Do Do do do do here. Yo My name Chuck. This is Kathy. We'll come back to another episode of Pop culturing where we talk about movies. TV and everything else. I know in today's kind of special for a few reasons number one. We haven't talked to you guys in a couple of weeks yes. We took a few weeks off in December because it was December and we. We wanted to start up this year talking about the Golden Globes which were when we're taping right now we're last night and also about some of the holiday movies that we saw Maybe as recommendations or maybe just to talk about why we thought certain holiday movies were really good and I'm calling them holiday movies because they came out in December. Do you want to list the ones that we've we've recently seen sweeter okay. Let me I'm GonNa do it off the top of my head so we saw a little women up. We saw the New Star Wars. We saw marriage story. We saw the Irishman we saw once upon a time in Hollywood. That was not in a holiday movie. But it's an award. Consider it. It's nominated so. It's it's in that category bombshell. We saw bombshell Quin Ozlem. We saw Queen and slim. And I think that's about I think that might be it. There's there's other movies that are nominated that we may have seen before but we'll just try and focus on you know so. This is the first podcast where we're not focusing on a specific movie movie or TV series because we did sex in the city So this is going to be a little bit different big little lies that was a TV. Show I guess so. But this is a Boko Globes and a whole bunch of different things right. This is a little more of A. I think a gearing up for this year you'll word season the award season. I would like to add on how you feel about it. But I'd love to do a show at least about the Academy Awards. Maybe not about the SAG awards even though I love the awards. Two Golden Globes are interesting Golden Globes are kind of their own own thing. It's a smaller group of people who vote and it is the Hollywood foreign press and what what happens at the Golden Globes does not always happen at the SAG awards or at the Oscars and I have to save. Todd was going to get to this pretty fast. I I usually do like a little bit of a competition when we watch the shows. We do the ballots and we count the correct answers. Yes the five of us. Yes yes and I'm sad to say I did not win but I'm happy to say you didn't win win and I was a little frustrated because I have to say it would probably of hurt more to lose by one but I just lost big time. The only lost by wanting to me sweetheart but I lost to shooting Erin and we also said we went up against the TV if we all had answers uh-huh and none of his shows at the TV got the correct point so we all lost to the TV but they are again per the Golden Globes their little surprising and I in some of them. I knew I was going to get it wrong like I chose you bet with your heart I did like I chose Eddie Murphy and I knew that that rocket man guy was going to get at Taryn Edgerton. I think thank stupid. Musicals are killing me because What's Rami Room? Rummy rummy knock yeah he beat my guy From talking about last year the Cooper. Yeah yes he be rented now. Here's another music man playing Elton John A- ah beaten some of my other favorites. I know well and you know rocket man I guess was. I haven't seen it so I guess it was really JC Saad. I think some somebody buddy in our family sought and she said it was really interesting. You know like it was well. I think we would like it right so being a the winning against people that I really. You Really WanNa Bradley Cooper to win last year. Do you want to go over the Golden Globes I go. I don't know what do you you think well. I'm trying to find a picture of the winners. Like I'm trying to get a list in front of me because I'm very prepared right now. So you're administer playing doing something from the Golden Globes. Look no okay so I found it all right Just popped up for me. Thank you so I'm going to just go through a few of the the things that were at and then I'll get to what you're GonNa do so drama series that ended up winning was succession. Have you seen any of success. Okay so all I have seen about three episodes of succession people have told me. It's very similar to things like fleabag in that. You have to keep going and then you will end up loving all these characters characters I do appreciate the characters but they are the kind of anti heroes. They're not great people. Do you know what I mean so I think the night that I watched the three Rian the row. I was just tired and I was like I. I'm tired of as I've been saying a lot lately lately including Richter vase last night from Golden Globes. I'm so tired of starkey people who don't care which is why little women was so fun to watch but anyway so succession one. I had voted for the morning show. Did you vote for the morning. Show though you voted for. I bet big little lies. I don't remember the Crown Killing Eve killing you. You voted for killing. Never seen it. Okay why did you vote for at that. 'cause I just a a lot of times. The award goes to these random things I've watched got it so you were trying to like like it's not like as I think. Killing Eve is is not necessarily mainstream compared to some of the like you know Apple. Advertise morning show over and over and over and over again whereas I'd never heard of killing eve and sometimes the award goes to these. He's random people Both of the Jodi colmer and Oh Sandro had both won Emmys emmys already for that show So it has been around awhile but next one supporting actor in a motion picture. Brad Pitt ended up winning and I did vote for him and I was very happy about that. It was kind of a whole funny thing. Because you knew Jennifer Aniston. was there too because she was nominated for the morning show. You knew they were going to totally cut to her in some way. Hey he was talking which they did and of course. There's like a meam now of her like watching him talk. But he beat Anthony Hopkins Joe Patchy Al Pacino Chino and Tom. Hanks what a category I mean. Think about all those people I'm continuing to go or are you pulling something I wanted to pull up. Ah this is Brad Pitt. Oh It's music though I was GONNA play my favorite character by Brad Pitt. From true romance door lease. I didn't even. You can't help me out every now and I'm looking for a friend of Mine Clarence Worley from Detroit. The real pretty girl in Alabama. I know they've been by here. You see they stay in. You know they're staying at the safari motor motel in town by God. Floyd is one of the best TV characters. If you've never seen to romance and Floyd played by Brad Pitt. which is a teeny role right? But he's hilarious. He kind of did that like he won a Golden Globe for twelve monkeys. Like twenty years ago remember twelve monkeys. Yeah he was a total random. And then do you remember. Burn after reading. How much taste? He's interesting not to mention. He produces a lot of really good movies. He puts money up for a lot of good movies. He's just he's just got so actress in a musical or comedy. Comedy Aquafina ended up winning for the farewell which was a historical because an Asian American woman had never won that before so that was kind kind of a big deal and I did vote for her than we already said Taryn Edgerton for rocket man then. Four actress in a drama was Renee Zellweger. We ended up fast boarding through her speech. You Fest for two most speeches Sweetie because you're scared that there's going to be an uncomfortable moment. You notice that there are about three or four that I said don't fast past four because you're pretty sure that they're going to say something really powerful I think renee. I wasn't sure like I was. She started talking and then she was and then I was like I don't know if she said anything good or not figured that you would have figured out on twitter today. But she was up against Charlene Darren Cynthia Arrigo Scarlett Johansson in an survey Ronan. And then just doing the top ones actor in a drama was Joaquin which I should have voted for Joaquin. I don't know what I said. Adam driver because I just loved loved him in marriage story. But of course Joaquin's GonNa win. Yeah right He's GonNa wind even though I haven't seen that movie yet but joker I think from what okay. So if he won the Golden Globe from what I've heard is that as far as other actors and actresses. They're the ones who are like. Oh my gosh. This performance is amazing. And they're the ones who vote for Sag and Academy award so I use a shy think. He's kind of a lack now again. I also thought Glenn Close was the lack and I was wrong so we don't bring her I. I can't bring it up it's just A. JC kept going rip. I'm glad goes with on screen. Made me laugh. And then of course actor and drama series you pick this Coleman I I picked jive Reina's nor do Bolivia Coleman. That's great about the awards. You could just check a box. Well she beat Glenn Close last year. Yeah for the favorite favorite and this year and this year. She's in the crown so she do you know about what they did with the crown. They started last year and they had the young in Queens. Oh and now they have the middle aged queen so they changed play. The Old Queen The older queen by Meryl Streep. Because she's old. She gets a lot of a good roles for older women older older. When you say oh I just started little women sugar grandma? She did as much as sixty years old. Yeah she might might be and then. Brian Cox one four actor drama series. He's in succession. He's been around a long time. And then Laura dern won for marriage story which I was happy popular known by the mask the movie Laura Dern mask and so many things like here's the thing about Laura dern she's been in obviously she was a mask which we loved her and that they they did this whole thing for Ellen last night and she was ellen's friend that she came out to young was also gay and we may say oh big deal. That was a a huge deal. Anybody who was in that show with Allen got so much hate mail for doing that. Show that everybody I mean Ellen's the one who gets gets all the credit but and she should everybody who participated they were they were jumping in the fire with her. And the best way I honor all of them all of those actors and actresses best picture was nineteen seventeen. Haven't seen it but it makes cited CASSIA and it hasn't come out war movie and then actor and musical or comedy Romney USA who I I don't know his show Patricia. arquette one for the act once upon a time in Hollywood which we have seen one for musical or comedy comedy and then Tom Hanks got the he'll be sure did and he do you WanNa play part of his talk because or his speech he first of all had a cold so every time he would start talking about his family he would start crying which was super q totally as a guy who is still finding a way to express grief through net grief but sadness or emotion. I always love when I observe guys whether it's watching Tom Hanks on the TV or feminist circle guys and we're talking about something real like I always feel so deeply connected to that man vulnerable. They're letting us see their hearts are so this is a quick thing from Tom. Hanks it was a good almost eight minutes. Speech will include it in the show notes but this is what he's talking about. What I think is very important which is being on time as Charlene's might right now and some of the other people who've worked with us through the play tone galaxy of stars showing up on time is one of the greatest liberating ax? You can give yourself self in a movement and I would say give yourself in life but go ahead those those people with radios. I don't need to knock on your door and say they're ready for you. You're actually already ready. And you have the liberty and you have the freedom of being there early enough enough to settle down because when the time comes you have to hit the marks and you have to go there. There is a saying in motion pictures back when it was shot on film that you could not move onto the next scene until the gate was good. So if you want to hear the rest of that that just Actually he says if you're listening on your phone just click on the link and the whole seven minute forty four second speeches there so I loved not seeing Tom. Hanks up there for a number of reasons. It was so fun to see his whole body of work because of course they did a montage for him and todd. Neier huge. Tom Hanks fans I'm sure everybody not. That's what I was GONNA say. Is I think everybody listening is Tom Hanks Fan because it's hard to not like him everybody who's worked with him talks about his professionalism. He it gives people a chance. He is a thoughtful person to act with. He's funny he does drama. Obviously he's well respected Two Time Academy Award winner. He's also a producer and he runs play tone which they were just talking about. He's the one who puts together all those things that we watch on. TV Todd the eighties nineties two thousands. Are you crying crying wall. So I'm going to put you on the spot. What's your favorite? Tom Hanks movie ors one at. It's hard to go against gump but I think of I think of him in Big Josh Baskin. Yeah so just because there's a part of me that like there's at twilight zone the movie in Old folks home the the one man comes back and says I can grant you guys all you folks. Ah Wish to go back and be. That'd be a kid again and I always thought of myself as somebody would. Cause there's only one of the people in twilight zone that wanted to remain a kid. Everybody else's like now think I'm ready to dilute islets. I've done this already. Whereas in big Josh Baskin play by Tom Hanks is just poetry and so is forrest gump but those are the two that come to mind? What about you? Well it's I I would definitely say forrest gump because that's one of my favorite movies of all time and it wouldn't have worked without him And but I also I don't know like I I love big and I just saw that recently but I love him as a comedian. I used to watch bosom buddies all the time time Bosom Buddies Sweetie Booze how you say it was a buddy. Somebody's bosom buddy bosom buddies. Somebody wasn't buddies. I can't say you say boozing Zimbabwe just how did I say boom buddies. I used to watch that show. Where he and Peter Scolari would dress up as women he brought up nine and Holland Taylor alert who who is also in it? Who is by the way Sarah Paulson's partner? Did you know that I did so just to put a little. That's it. I never said I was one of the best all time theme songs. Billy Joel Song You know I love Billy Joel. But I'll tell you something. He had a certain valleys in his life. I think he tried to commit suicide. He was just getting in a lot of car accidents while he was having some struggles. So I'm I'm sure they hit about like. Hey how about we pay you X.. Amount of dollars and let us use the song. I don't know if this was a valley time though. This was our childhood. I used to watch with my dad. Who knows but regardless they got the billy Joel Song? I used to watch that. So he's just been in our life so long and then of course I love actors. who like he did Philadelphia Philadelphia? which again similar to what I was just talking about with Ellen Degeneres? That movie changed People's minds and lives about AIDS. And he you you know brought attention to the humanity and you know the family aspect to end the you know we just. It gave us a different viewpoint And he won an academy award for that and then the following year one another academy award for Forrest Gump was one for two for two was so Philadelphia came person then go and then the next year here he got nominated for Apollo Thirteen. Oh my gosh. And but he obviously didn't win but todd and I love that movie two weeks to have that on we had that vhs tapes play it all the time. It's what every every known again a movie. We'll just you'll come across a movie. That is easy to watch like a few of the ones in your rotation right now are spotlight which is weird. Because it's about a pretty serious thing but it doesn't. It's more about the journalism it doesn't it's not super heavy Yeah there's movies that you just continue to watch because they're predictable but they also also feel like a comfort with them So I was very happy to see Tom. Hanks up there. I'm so sad. He had a cold I kept thinking about. He nailed it. He totally he capture captivates room. He even though I usually if somebody is colder. They're just not on their best game. You're kind of feel nervous like everybody was dead. So maybe because he was Tom Hanks but I'm like God he just knows how to grab a room well and also him starting out by talking about his family and getting all choked up like that just sets where you'll listen anything else to say from then on and I also think that he has earned. He hasn't earned respect because he got awards. He's earned respect because he's a good person and I think that everybody in that room likes him they eat some people may like it more than others but I just think that he and what he has to say about professionalism about showing up you know the clip yard he played. We tend to forget these really basic things and I I. Sometimes I've never been an actress actress. Nor have I been a part of the world of Hollywood or theater but I'm willing to bet there's a lot of people who do get a little big for themselves themselves and don't feel that they need to show up on time and they always do instagram. WORRY PUTS A he. He takes pictures of Ram shoes or socks things that he finds that that are like left on the ground early signs at Hank's Ha Annex. Pretty Hillary I know he's funny so I just think we can all take like he's just. It's is not surprising to me that he played Mr Rogers this year. Because he's Tom Hanks he's different than Mr Rogers but they share a supplementary energy so oh there was another movie would bring up Mr Mr Rogers. We saw that. We saw that beautiful day in the neighborhood. Tom Hanks's obviously nominated. He was beat by Brad Pitt last night so another thing. That was really awesome. Last night I was Ellen Degeneres won the very first Carol Burnett Award which is for Comedians. Who have made an impact on society and and Kate McKinnon and so basically? They just started this award last year so obviously Carol Burnett got it last year. This year was the first year for someone else to get it so ellen into generous received it Kate McKinnon came out to introduce Ellen and to set it up and she really lovely job a sense sense of self I have. I have to explain that one more in in one thousand nine hundred seven when Ellen Sitcom was at the height of its popularity. I was in my mother's basement lifting weights. It's in front of the mirror and thinking am I gay and I was and that's a very scary thing to suddenly know how about yourself. It's sort of like doing twenty three and me and discovering that you have alien DNA and the only thing that made it less scary with seeing being Allen on TV. She risks her entire life and her entire career in order to tell the truth and she suffered greatly for it of course attitudes change inge but only because brave people like ellen jump into the fire to make them change and if I hadn't seen her on TV I would've thought I could never be on TV. They don't let Lgbtq people on TV and more than that. I would have gone on thinking that I was an alien and that I maybe didn't even have a right to be here. So thank you ellen. Forgiving me that was one of my favorite things. That speech was so beautiful and was was I thought it was a perfect person to give that to ellen for a multitude of reasons Her life experience her comedy like they just And obviously their friendship unshipped and speaking of Kate McKinnon is in bombshell which we just saw great and she was great like I love her and everything. SNL Even loved her ghostbusters. I loved it I you know. I just think she's great and everything but she was really. She was like in bombshell she. There was a little more drama incorporated. And she's really good so so I thought that was very moving and Ellen came up and I heard his long too. I did you NAPA. That's okay we can put a link to it or she did some really funny you know just just the montage of we were all very removed. She says she's such a funny actress. Well they started within one of our favorite clips of hers from her most recent comedy special. which is when you try on shoes and when you start doing things in a minute do shoes so funny I was laughing so hard so it just right off the bat and her she's just been around a really long time and end As Kate said you know all of you know this who are listening we went through really dark time and to now be doing the ellen degeneres show for seventeen in years. I mean unbelievable and you think of her always scaring people on you know the people and certain people get like not just startled but upset mad but she keeps doing it right and I know. But here's the deal. I used to Uh Honk the horn whenever picking up my daughters friends and one time I got Mary Flanagan so bad that she collapsed right and she was truly upset set. It wasn't funny. You know you had to apologize. Vowed to never do it again or anybody else. I apologize to everybody but maybe because she's ellen because I remember like Taylor Swift left. I just saw a montage of 'cause she always scares Taylor swift and she. There's nothing funny about Taylor's reaction. She's angry oh now I'm telling you I'm telling you and maybe fifteen seconds later. She's fine but in that moment there's nothing funny but Ellen continues to do it and I think it's interesting that she keeps doing it. Well I think that this is what I'm willing to bet. Okay so people go on her show and they know that it might happen so if you are somebody who's like I have a heart condition or my anxiety can't handle it. You would let them know they're not going to hurt you but every year like they do. This haunted house thing Andy does. WHO's their suicide kick? Yeah and she forces him to go through haunted houses and he hates the very scary. The ones that we went by Disneyworld stranger things with all the really scary ones. And he doesn't like it. But it's good humor and if view so boundaries right. I'm sure there's some people but there's some people who have really funny reactions One of the people. They is speaking of Sarah Paulson. She she I guess Jaycee said she always has a really extreme reaction but she. I'm sure if like after a timer to if she was like this is really causing a problem album. Ellen would respect that but they're all in show business. Yeah anyways we can move on. I just thought it was interesting. Okay so that was that award Lord and then one of the people who won that I didn't mention For Fossey Verdon was Michelle Williams and unfortunately and I think it was because because the show was winding down we fast forwarded through some of her speech getting late and he's got to go to bed she had a really beautiful speech therapy. Yeah factor moment moment by moment seen by same day by day pitcher also acknowledging the choices they make as a person the education they pursued the training they sought the hours they put in. I'm grateful for the acknowledgement of the choices. I've made and I'm also grateful to have lived at a moment in our society where choice exists because as women and girls things can happen to our bodies that are not our choice. I've tried my very best to live a life of my own. Making not just a the series of events that happened to me but one that I could stand back and look at an recognize my handwriting all over sometimes messy and scrawling sometimes careful dylan precise but one that I had carved with my own hand and I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's right to choose. Tiffany haddish those shoes news when to have children and with whom when I felt supported and able to balance our lives knowing as all mothers note that the scales must and will tip towards our children. Now I know my choices might look different than yours but thank God or whoever you pray to that. We live in a country founded on the principle that I am free to live by my faith and you are free to live by yours so women eighteen to one hundred eighteen eighteen when it is time to vote. Please do so in your own self interest. It's what men have been doing for years it. It's what men have been doing for years years. Which is why the world looked so much like them? Don't forget we are the largest voting body in this country. Let's make it look more like us. Tommy MOTTOLA. I can't wait to come home to well. Thank Great Gustavus. Here's the thing the way that she spoke which was so profound in while written speaks to so many things because a lot of people are like. It's just a pro choice comment abortions part of that in her best friend busy Phelps. Who's in the audience you know she'd Wrote a book last year that I read and she had an abortion and talks about a very openly in which a lot of women in Hollywood and in the world do because that is a woman's right and so I'm sure part of that was for her. The other thing is just about birth control right to choose when I have a child right to choose my own family planning and who I have it with and then of course sexual assault you know sometimes we. We don't have choices over our body. People take advantage of our body and so in a very concise and articulate way. She spoke about a lot of things and then about about Of course you know whatever faith we believe or whatever we believe because you know you get to choose for yourself. Some people would make certain choices and some people make other choices but to impose ourselves on other people. That's the question. Do we do that or laws on other people and then and finally women. I love that men have been voting in their self interests always and win. Do Women finally say. What do I need need in? What does what do I want the world to look like because right now the world looks and feels very masculine? Yeah all I mean if you look at the crowd You know there's part of me that just wants to shut up and listen to Michelle Williams and Michigan you but at the same time just for anybody might be wondering you look at the breakdown between men and women in Congress or the Senate. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that there's a striking a balance conflict wherein you know you know and I'm not saying there'd be Azero conflict if women were in charge conflict as a part of life but I think there is a difference in diplomacy and I think there is a difference in not having to into being a little more focused focused on non violence and empathy. I mean look at what. The Prime Minister of New Zealand did when there was a shooting in her country and look at how she brought people together and empathized sized didn't allow them to be divided and and. I know there are men who can do that too. I'm just not seeing them right now So this is I think what she he is saying. I I'm I'm so glad to hear it and So Anyway Michelle Williams and I should have known she was going to win. What was I thinking working because she just won the emmy like two months ago? which show is she on? Fosse verdon never heard of it. It was like it was about Bob Fosse. And then what was inside unfortunate that I can't remember but Bossie Roosevelt Answer Theater as a dancer and choreographer okay So so I think it was on HBO. I can't remember And I have not seen it but I just everybody said she was amazing and and Sam Rockwell was Fossey. She was vert got it. He was nominated to left. So you have anything else to say about. The Golden Globes problem is no other than the fact that I beat you. Let's start thoroughly painful. We have been spending. Our kids are older so we can watch stuff with them. Ten years ago we would never be able to do this podcast. Who who had fricking time to watch these shows you're breaking spent eight hired so I guess I'm just sitting in the appreciation of older children now and for those of you have younger children hang hanging there? Well then I would also say that. Obviously I didn't see all these shows. Were all these move. We saw more than we ever have. We have but I will also say that is part of my joy is for someone to be like. I have to catch up with movies because everybody else is watching. If they are not your joy. I mean we're doing a show right now called pop pop culturing which means that not not only. Do I watch these movies and a lot of TV shows. I also listen to podcasts about movies and TV shows. This is part of my my personality. In what I appreciate eight other people decorate houses and buy clothes. And I listen to podcasts about movies so where I am. We read a lot about ten different movies or shows. Where's there's no way we're going to do justice so instead I'm going to say that is the teaser for our next pop culturing? which maybe we'll do this this week and talk about the Irishman Marriage story and everything else that we just talked? How will you because otherwise we're just GONNA say two cents about each one through will you at least say ah what out of all the movies you saw this year? What was the one that stood out to you the most well? Maybe it's queen and slim because my expectations are so low Irishman. I heard about a year before before I came out but marriage story was really well done hard to watch. You know tough story to kind of revisit you know. I grew up with some parents at like the fight. Sometimes and get divorced Star Wars. I thought was really good. But anyway those are the few that popped my brain all of a sudden. We'll talk about them in more depth this week. Yes an email us. If you're talking about this movie or did you see this movie. I mean I would love to even talk about the morning show. Yeah that's a whole nother. Even though that's not a movie it was a series that todd and I both found. Don't forget about the man delorean. delorean baby Yoda drinking the bone broth so so this was a Golden Globes show. We'll do another one. Just like Mabel call it getting ready for the Oscars there's right or maybe we'll do one for TV and one for movies so we're kind of breaking form a little bit in that we're just talking about instant pop doc culture because Golden Globes last night instead of reflecting back. We decided that we wanted to do a cocktail act a little time. He is decided. I WANNA do movies that I love and love to make fun of all at the same time so this is why I love. It's kind of like our other podcasts. Then parenting I love Zen parenting because we can talk about anything when it comes to family and we can talk about metaphysical things we can talk about research. We can talk about science. We can talk about you know whatever it may be and same thing with pop culture and there is no structure. We have to follow right or insured sweetie you know it and right now it's award season. It's one of my favourite TV times. Times I love to see what breaks through. I love to see because pop culture is not just about watching movies and TV. It's about where we are as a culture right now. What's most important the people what's breaking through on as evidenced by these speeches that we just play exactly and so it's not you know when people think that entertainment is shallow? I I understand that there are parts of it are but I see a bigger picture through the Lens of Pop culture. Exactly what's being taken like. Just just the fact that one thousand nine hundred seventeen one tells you a lot about what's going on in our country right now we the you know. Let's relook at war if nothing else. This is a thirty five minute podcast or whatever it is and you know that we're not going to talk about you know what our president decided to do this weekend. This is a inte- roundabout way. We are well this is. This is lighter lighter later this reprieve from what you see on CNN and Fox and MSNBC. And what I just said about nineteen seventeen nineteen just to be clear re look at war and really understand what it is. 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40. All That Jazz (1979)

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40. All That Jazz (1979)

"Yamba new welcome to another glorious horrible deep dive and Glib toss off episode of the latest and greatest and you'll hate us and why do we even bother when it'll never be as good as I hope no matter how much I tried to make a transcendent and cendant and unlike anything you've ever seen before or will again for whatever else it might not be ladies and Gentlemen Madame and Monsieur Boys and goals from the king's bucks to the groundlings on the floor and even those who do not listen anymore. Put Your hands together four our forecasting crew. I'm Jason I'm Chris and we are here today. On the full cast and crew podcast to discuss Bob Fosse's nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine eighty five seventy nine seventy nine. I knew there was a nine nine and a half Fellini's nine and a half. I think you're promoting it only eight and a half okay but we've time it inbetween ask. We're doing all that jazz a movie. I was thrilled to Rewatch last night and be bathed achieved in all a new. Is it the greatest show Biz movie ever made easily. I mean I'm serious. I am too. I mean let's clarify the terms I was thinking it's not so much a making of a movie or musical type movie of the sorts that we've seen but there are certain movies that are about show people they are about the life of show business in a way that really only one other movie comes to mind. I watched this last night and just thought wow this gets at so many truisms on all sides all the different tiers. There's of show-business that's what's unique about it. There moves that may be telling you about the life of an actor or perform or director but in this movie there are nuggets and pearls of real insight and wisdom about being a bean counting producer being a cutthroat director being a wannabe performer a dancer being in a relationship with people in the arts so many many things to unpack. I watched it last night and just came away thinking like this is the greatest movie about show business ever made yeah and the only other one that really comes to mind is Mike Leigh's topsy Turkey. Oh I haven't seen that <hes> but I do. I mean I like Mike Lee in general. Do you think that would also include some of this other stuff because it's about a troop about the lives behind the scenes and what goes on to putting something on stage and it's very you know it's about Gilbert and Sullivan but man this movie he is it director. It's ridiculous. She's an amazing. It's ridiculous. It's obviously a film about show business in about show people but it's also an incredibly personal and intensely subjective semi-autobiographical and certainly not hagiographic. No we talked about with reversal of fortune last week. It's so glorious because there's enough glamour there to be interesting and yet he does not pull any punches when examining himself or the business or show people in general and when you talk about the insights that he gets to I think there is something very profound about the link between death and show business and the idea of performance and wanting to entertain as a way to stave off the dark and at the same time also courting it yes all the time. It's just so stunning. I think I've seen it only like three times including this week and each time it gets better I'm going to say it's the two thousand one of show Biz movies in that for a lifetime you could rewatch this film and and not yet unpack all of the various things that are going on within it. It's both a demonstration of Bob Fosse's comically oversized ridiculously confident skills as a film director and end a total explosion in deflation of him as myth. It doesn't take himself so seriously even as it's a display of how incredibly talented he was <hes> how tyrannical how obsessed how committed how addicted who else has put themselves themselves on the screen and such self flagellating way and the truth and the honesty of it comes through and yet it also is brilliantly hilariously funny and show Morton and dark. I couldn't even believe all over again. The final shot DOT COM. Oh Yeah I mean we'll get there. I don't WanNa talk about it now but man it just blew me away all over again last night and I'm going to go down the Fosse wormhole a little bit more in coming days because it makes me want to revisit. Is it the other movies I mentioned to you. Star eighty s growing up as a teenager was always like a sick weird movie that we love to watch but as I was watching a little stuff about him as a film director how different the movies are from each other is ridiculous and Mike Kubrick it means hate to keep using that comparison but supposedly Kubrick is quoted saying this was his favorite film yeah offhand comment or if the best film he's ever seen the best fillies ever seen even higher prey but the way his movies and he made are so different from each each other is fascinating and there is a real voice because I I watched star eighty for the first time in preparation for this sort of see the the contrast and you're right they are very different and yet you can see a line between here here and there it's interesting that it was what ten years before his death or so then he made this one which is so incredibly impersonal and star eighty which is a wonderful film but I think he probably sees more of himself in that <hes> in the Snyder character totally <hes> and yet he puts it at a distance which maybe show some maturity that was coming to from the experience of having examined himself in all that jazz when you look at the life of Fosse which I think goes back to the fifties as a dancer dancer and a choreographer and sort of working in TV and films by the time he's making these movies in the seventies. You're talking about someone who does have kind of like US twenty five thirty years in the business. You'RE GONNA develop that more than two I for the ups and downs the pitfalls. The character types yeah. I think he's such a mature person in way in an immature person at the same time a lot of what I think you're seeing in all that jazz just feels like the benefit of stuff that he's lived through and he's developed an eye that examines those things from having grown up in the theater theater and not like the legitimate theater in the burlesque house which is not so different different from Broadway. I mean that's what he's saying yeah absolutely but I meant it wasn't Highfalutin stuff that he was you know when you start as a tap dancer and Yup doing a burlesque gigs yup I mean he certainly was a young tap dancer watching a documentary about him and I think even at the age of fourteen yeah he was a professional dancer with a friend of his that's right and he was talking about coming from gigs and doing his homework in the car as his mom was driving him and his friend home. Let's just play a little of the iconic opening scene of the film which is a revelation onto itself and literally you can watch the five and a half minute opening scene which the criterion collection has deigned to put online although they do not stream the film on the Criterion Channel. I thought was kind of interesting in annoying as I try to watch the movie last night you can buy the Blu Ray D._v._d.. From criterion but you cannot stream it on their own channel nor is it available on any other streamers which is a real crime. I mean I'm not sure if maybe they pulled that out in order to capitalize on the Fosse Verdon F._X.. Series I can't imagine you'd sell a tremendous amount of all that jazz. D._V._D.'s he's on the basis of that or penny wise pound foolish. I would think because the while that's a big deal now for the eight weeks that's running. That'd be something else that comes along next week and it's not worth the hassle to take it off. Put it back because probably they'll get more from people who want to see it in the moment and bring them in via the criterion I haven't seen that but apparently it ends with all that jazz. That's like the ending of the things I was wondering if that was part of that but the first hour or so of all that jazz it is a behind the scenes making talking of a Broadway musical and also in the edit room as he tries to edit a feature film and through that we get the Fossey time jumps to his childhood to his flirtation with the angel of death played by what's Surname Jessica Jessica Lang Yeah just the biggest movie stars of that one her which looks like it's on the set of cabaret like in a sense right I mean he's got such a watching little clips of of a lot of his shows. He does just have such a recognizable that so like there's some artists like this like Chuck Jones or Jack Kirby with people who are in a kind of medium that are sort of so come at just the right time with their synthesizing so many things they've recognizable thing that literally the everybody else's sort of responding to and not to make too much but I think with Bob Fosse everything that we think of or certainly of our generation and certainly a younger is seen through the filter of his idea of putting on a show grow and the kind of not to use Brady and again but like the you can see the seams of where the sets are in the magnet so much takes place in the rehearsal room and I just love how in the dream sequences it's not meant to me other worldly and I love that aesthetic well. The Meta commentary is kind of like we're filming dream sequences and we're going to show you how we filmed dream sequence so it stat stepped removed like in the beginning sequence which is in a mass audition for the Broadway show is so iconic and probably has has been repeated in so many ways in so many other mediums the winnowing down I immediately thought of how it was kind of ripped off and showgirls which we watched a little clips a couple of weeks ago the going down the line and making comments to the dancers part. That's totally in all all that jazz I hear what is it Mo- Nomo Green is in the Godfather. That's what same of whoever the guy who's in showgirls who said point of being a Dick even though Joe Gideon in all that jazz is a dick one of the things if you start out with him actually being quite sort of Nice and charitable to show as he's cutting them after he wakes up with Decca Drain and but anyway here's a little of this opening scene is brilliantly cut to this song new way and the three and you abby Joel and then just yeah so what's brilliant about the scene is not only is it just masterful filmmaking were cutting back and forth between everyone who's watching the audition process and and as such were introduced to really all of the main characters in this big chunk of the film his Ex wife his daughter the various producers you know it's like the one cheesy young producer who's introduced with the Benakka mouth freshener blast to just no you don't need any dialogue to do any of <music> this credit to him and other filmmakers knowing that this is such a visual medium that you don't have to have dialogue that is saying these things you can show it just by the action of them in the room watching it which is part of their job. Which is what the whole movie is about? It's so economical shout out to. Alan Heim who is the editor of this moving his work and also I think what we think of as the visual iconography of Fosse as a filmmaker I think stems really primarily from this film and from cabaret. Those are the two visually most important fosse movies I would say and since this one is set in his world of filmmaking and directing and choreography for the theater you get an expression of what it's like to be in these rooms the way we were just watching that scene and and the way it cuts from a wide shot from the audience to an overhead and the way that the crowd the herd is thinned as people who aren't any good. You're just sort of chuckling at a guy who's really out of play John. That's how we kind of learn a little bit about the relationship between his daughter and his ex wife whom he's choreographing this show four in an act of repentance I guess like since I was such a terrible husband and father. I'm going to do this entire. Show as a centerpiece for peace for you Allan Hi debtor also plays the editor in the film. I didn't know that Oh yeah oh so. He's the guy who's editing the film in the film the film within the film thing I didn't buy the actual editor of this film and you know there was an article. I didn't notice that uh-huh ten years ago I guess it was the thirtieth anniversary of the fortieth but he talks about coming up with the non linear yet using style that sort of flattens time and he says when an early linear cut of lenny played a tad sluggishly fosse encouraged Mr Two dice as the film into a collage to compress the story and permit surprising Jackson positions by fragmenting it the picture became much better much more interesting. Mr Hyme said Fosse was so pleased with the result that he and his screenwriter partner Robert Allen Arthur built time shifts into the early screenplay for all that Jazz Mr said the film's high-speed riffing through Gideon's recent past childhood and deathbed fantasies was so flexible in so distinctively Fossey's that the directors regular composer Ralph Burns hung a label on it Ralph said there are flashbacks and flash forwards and then there is Fossey time when we're working on Bob's films we were working in Fossey time the phrase has to do with not really being locked into any particular timeframe but taking full advantage of what you can do with film which is mess around around with time and life a moment in the president is infused and suffused and brought to bear because of what came before it yeah and because of what you're trying to accomplish in the future that's what his Fossey time allows us to experience. It's in real time I think one of the most striking examples of that is the scene where they're doing the table read and he's sitting right across from his ex wife and as the heightened laughter is shown the audio drops out and all we hear are A._S._M._a._r. like sounds of Fosse's internal process which is terrified and unconcerned by the laughs and focused only on what isn't working and I read an article that said that sequence for him was to show he's. He's not in it for all that stuff. He's not in it for the laughs. He's not in it for his ego. Of course he is but it's the drive that ends with him. Snapping the pencil behind his back as everyone's laughing and then he has his heart attack and he says at one point in one of the other if you come flash forwards when he's talking with Angelique the angel of death and he is saying nothing was ever good enough. Nothing is ever funny enough. Nothing is ever razzle-dazzle whatever the words he uses. It's so funny because that in some ways can be an no-balling thing income that you're not in it for just to throw chum to the crowds. You WanNa do something and yet at the same time. It's also so ego driven to think like I don't care about anybody elses reaction. I'm just nervous because it's about me. It's a wonderful insight that he has then that table read seen gene. There's something going on between him and his ex wife and the looks at their giving each other which aren't really about the table read. It's about the history that they have in the sense that she has in many of those scenes about the making of that musical. There's the incredibly influential of crazy airliner stewardess sex plane Erotica Erotica after she watches that she so pissed off at him because the staging of that is in its own way a slap in her face about his own own erotic pursuits and obsessions and putting this on stage so boldly especially when it's getting vehicle vehicle or her and then this gets put onto. It's great how that number you see it get developed because you have the music writer played by Anthony Holland comes in a couple of times he writes you know perfectly nice kind of song to be stage and when it gets filtered through Joe Gideon Bob Fosse's vision it becomes something very different depending on how you look look at it either a great artist or somebody who's taking things away from everybody else. The ex wife played by Leland Palmer's fantastic. Did I call her Leland Palmer's. That's it is Leland Palmer which peaks speaks possibly and she's wonderful wonderful bit her recognition that she's angry because it's taken away from her and it's different than what you wanted to be in. It's more about him and yet there is still enough of her appreciation as a fellow artist realized this is as she puts it the best work you've ever done. Let's play a little of the erotica seen we'll just play a little this and we'll talk about afterwards friendly service uh-huh here come <music> aw I wanna ask you your opinion of what this scene is about because it exists in so many planes to me the idiocy of the setup yet the absolute genius of the choreography why the juxtaposition if you listen to the lyrics it's not erotic. We don't really know what the musical is supposed to be or whatever it is but when Anthony Holland introduces the song the first time it sounds like a generic healthier song about an area bouncy c enjoy airline it was exactly exactly like this is a great time for production number as our heroes from one coast to coast but it gets filtered through him and you know we played just the first part and then it takes a bigger change in the lights come down and everybody takes off their families podcasts Chris. I didn't want to get into the exposed. Nipples Bulls on display later on in the dance routine. Kids are GonNa have to win about that sometime. This is probably the best and most realistic way to learn about. Do you think it's about him taking insipid source material and making something truly great out of it wouldn't even say that it's meant to the insipid only because it's meant to be more like this is just what normal musicals are sort of the insipid. That was my point as listen Gideon would ask what's the matter like musical comedy it's taking something that the standard and putting his own vision on top of it and then changing it to make it himself like he's such an overbearing personality that whatever he gets involved with becomes a Bob Fosse thing as opposed to what anybody else wanted and I suppose if you took the ego tack Jack He could also be saying his greatness doesn't often find a place to perch upon that's worthy the choreography in that is so mind blowing Lee revolutionary and incredible but in so many places he both is doing the thing and putting his own other influences on top of it in addition to the dance poses which you could snap a hand and do jazz hands or do these things are broken body types and you could trace that through everything from Michael Jackson action videos to like I said anything contemporary he also has this erotic imagery the women with the way their leotards are the lead woman in this thing with kind of the tights but with the Bikini over the tights this look that he developed developed than probably has to do with his own highly developed peccadilloes that kind of is exploring in this movie as well and that's not even talking physically like you were talking before about what he came up with in terms of the Fossey time and kind of how we jump around in the narrative but I thought it was so fascinating how in this scene he freaks out everyone including the investors and the woman for whom he is a sensibly putting on show who so pissed off at the end of slaps him in the face. There's so many Meta elements to the movie three he based it on his own life and the story is that this is roughly based about he'd had a heart attack when both doing a revival of Chicago in nineteen seventy five while he was actually cutting the burden foregoing vernon exactly while cutting Eleni and now you know overworked himself in heart is though of course in the movie he ends up taking the character forward spoiler for Nineteen seventy-nine all that jazz to death yes and in real life lived on for another eight more years. He was only sixty yeah but he did smoke five two six packs of cigarettes a day. Take amphetamines of the smoking in the movie. I wanted Roy to just stop smoking the omnipresent cigarettes. They get like it's such a it's so funny because you see in a film somebody who's a theater director or who came from the theater commander and like the repetition of his morning routine yes to describe it. It sounds pretty trite and yet to watch it play out. It is so effective because of the Fosse time one the fact do you see the repetition says something like you get a chance to see it. Change slightly over time yes <hes> but then of course the things that stay the same says just as much it works so well it was like why didn't I think of that kind of thing. We'll have a little compilation good for you with all the it's showtime folks scenes from the film put together here Showtime Showtime Folks Showtime Folks Showtime Joe Lenny was the film came out just before this which black and white more documentary entry in style although it did employ of that kind of Bossy time cutting and then before Lenny was cabaret and prior to cabaret had been sweet charities we charity bonkers and was and he was saying that he <hes> couldn't get another film job for a while even when when it did come to doing cabaret a bunch of people were turning it down yeah which is why it finally ended up in his lap and he was like yes yeah just the difference physically from movie to movie to movie there are some small clips on Youtube of him directing both cabaret and all that jazz and you know much is made. He was a tyrant he was horrible womanizer. He you know depending on who you listen to abused actresses says and dancers verbally and psychologically in order to get what he wanted which doesn't shy away from in here but then you know an ranking and other people have maybe through the passing of time given more recent more warmhearted reminiscences of how he was to work breath and certainly Scheider says that he was the greatest director that he ever worked with because he had such a fundamental understanding of what it was to be a performer that he could empathize with you yes but he could push you to do something like he shows in the film. The woman who he initially cast because he wants to sleep with her they do sleep together. His current girlfriend finds them in bed together leaves but then he continues to move forward with this woman in the production of the show he's putting on his ex wife's benefit and has it scene where she's kind of flailing in not as good as the other an answers. He breaks her down and she cries at the window and he says I can't make great. Don't even know if I can make a good dancer. If you keep trying don't quit. I know I can make it better and I'd like very much to do that. Stay he can keep me. He comes back has a moment where she does accomplish something and receives kind of the warmth of her fellow dancers this one scene that both shows it was the truth of the creative process warts and all and the cruelty of the man and the necessity of the result I mean it's a very complicated dynamic and one could say the necessity of the result. How about don't cast Akasa better dancer of course but I mean you're right? It's it's so complicated because at the end of that but he's showing her out for not being at that caliber I suppose he's trying to say he recognized something in her that he could bring her wishes to me. What's complicate because yes? There's there's definitely something about that and there is something about yelling and his mistreatment of her especially because he had already slept with her and there's already some weirdness in that power dynamic but what complicates the scene is the fact that he does realize it's like it's not always the best way to go and it is <unk> hurting her in a way that would take away from the end result from the product right he's recognition of that makes it complicated and then when she does do the choreography and he compliments her and everybody claps yes and you see the look on her face and the joy of finally we're getting some praise which is great and triumphant in one way but if you also look at it it's like couldn't there have been another way to get to that and everybody else's clapping like oh you made it through the gauntlet that he puts you through his bad behavior in order to achieve move some slight amount of success again. I'm not saying that there's nothing to it but it's theater. An art is so personal and it is so those power dynamics are so part of it nip become so hard to separate all of them one of the things that amazed me so much the-these able to I don't think he lets himself off the hook that but he puts the hook right under his neck into his head and so the fact that he's willing to convey so much and leave you at the end with the sense of her accomplishment and yet at the same time it's not an unalloyed good. It's brilliant brilliant writing and Burlington Dustin Hoffman talks about that aspect of working with him as a director and in one of the little vignettes I saw you have fossey talking about working with Dustin Hoffman on this scene in Lenny Eleni the courtroom scene in front of the judge where Lenny is giving this impassioned speech and try and explain to the judge. I want to be understood by you. I'm not here to just say tit an ass to piss you off. I'm trying to do something and it kept doing the scene and for Facia Ossie wasn't enough and he says doesn't often finally came and said you know by. I don't think I have anything more than I'm giving you like the you're getting what I have and Fosse says you know if I thought that I would let it go but I don't believe that there is war and I think you can get to it. Just keep doing it with me and you know he says this process of being a director in terms of directing an actor in this moment it can be about pushing them beyond where they think they're comfortable now when you have that taking place between a powerful man and a woman it's obviously a very different dynamic than between Dustin Hoffman who's got his own problems from the error and a male director but the problematic nature of the relationship between Gideon and the dancer during the scene we're talking about is put into a movie by Bob Fosse writing about things he is well known to have done. It reminds me a little bit of the complexity that is the right thing when you're talking about some of the racial complexities in the way spike just told the truth and when you tell the truth were are amazed as filmgoers because it feels so real instead of couching it in like I'm GonNa make myself look at the best like Alan Dershowitz in reversal of fortune. Even if it's not a question of making yourself look the best. It's also sometimes when you're writing you might think of I I want to convey this and so everything gets kind of shaped or playing down in order to get that message across and you lose those subtleties that make it more complex and Kubrick in in the sense of taking really this collection of scenes and there isn't isn isn't a linear narrative at play we do have the show kind of being put together but we never get to see premier because he dies before that happens we do get to see the movie and have also an additional Meta layer of commentary with the Cliff Gorman Lenny character giving us an extended riff on death and the stages of grief from Elizabeth Kubler Ross. He's actively involved in editing film of this riff among others. Why do films that are non linear to me? Sometimes I feel like they have a deeper truth and mystery of life quality. I wondered the same thing myself and I think it's because the way they talked about the editing you're able to have resonances have something from the past juxtaposed with something from the present uh-huh which presages something in the future if you actually were to talk about what are the events of this film and lay them out nearly nothing all that the that eventful it's not a plot driven film and so it's those resonances the context that's created by putting the that's what makes it work full cast and crew is brought to you by out of Jack's mind a new comedy short video series from Jackpot Nick Co writer and director of the Sony Pictures Feature Film Space Station Seventy six and current recurring guests on grace and Franky and Sea Nation Out of Jack's mind likened follow at chocolate comedy on facebook or chocolate dot com chocolate original comedy delivered daily thinking about what actually does happen. Yes what happened what does for the listeners as he's putting on this show as he's editing this film. He has one heart attack. They are going to a four-month operating took a four month break. This actually becomes one of my favorite scenes of the movie. which is the announcement from the producers talking about the fact that we're no longer in rehearsal? They're trying to put a good face on and say like we'll be back. In four months from the producers the writers everybody is there and they're frustrated frustrated because of their own job there also at least a little bit worried about their friend this goes into and this is where the ex wife is like so I saw Joe last night and no everything's fine performances formed you get to see us what she actually saw her crying and Helix always fine and he's yes but everybody can tell that it's kind of bullshit her performance element the fact that the address our staff off here and this is your own mumbling dry what we need. Is Somebody like the Anthony Holland character to then start like I'm GonNa do a song. We've made a decision to postpone the show for four months. What the doctors have assured is the Joe will be fine therefore the show will definitely be done? I promise now we're aware of financial burden on the T._v.. Side Haydn hose on we're prepared to try to get you temporary jobs or even lend you money. Jones Jones easy on the money. He's height Larry Area right okay. We don't have a lot of cash available but what I'd like to say to you is I we think of you all as family while ocean and we want to do everything we possibly can keep you all together. I was with him last night already. He's much better. I just left him. An hour ago. He was in a great mood making jokes making digging passes at all and nurses and he told me to tell all of you. He has a terrific idea for a new hospital number three hospital number hospital. Just give me a minute title hostile grab you. He grabs me great great stanhope out please ah in all the emotions that are there in the desperation and need to entertain each other and themselves as a way to stave off the grief grief and the fear of losing this job and the actor we'll tell you any job is most likely your last one yes and if it gets put off. What are you GonNa do to fill that time and then also the fact that there's somebody who might die? You know they have some affection for you know so to keep all of those things at bay. That's what you know forming. That's what theater is about trying to keep the shadows away the scene of the insurance adjuster meeting with the producers another incredibly nuanced reality of show business snus seen once Gideon in the hospital producers have meeting with their insurance adjuster who is walking them through the various options option. One Gideon is in the hospital for four months. You've spent four hundred twenty five thousand dollars and and he is able to come back. We are not liable for that expenditure option to is he gets out of the hospital now. After a couple of weeks day we are also not liable option three is he dies in which case you've spent four hundred twenty five thousand we pay you the full one million dollars of the policy meaning you would make a profit of five hundred thirty five thousand dollars and they just let it hang as the producers of course are not crass enough to go. That's that's probably the best option for investment. Bob Fosse's all the ham like the bits advances ten thousand equity bonds fifty thousand rehearsal salaries and we've made some advances to a few of the cast about forty three thousand. We're in for about four hundred thousand five hundred dollars. Yes that's the figure here and change. All those guys are great. Jones e the Guy who plays Jones E.. Is that GONNA actor while it is an actor. His name is William. Let Messina Dick Van Patten. He did look like Dick Van Patten mothering that I loved about that scene. This is what I was gonNA. Ask that I'm still a little bit unsure about but this is somewhat somewhat based on real events in his life but then it ends differently and this thing like you said they lay out the possibility that they'll make more money yes literally gave the producers and then he has his heart attacks in the hospital but there's a point where he thinks he's going to recover and they have to go to John. Lithgow Lithgow a great John Lithgow Palm because it's literally the inverse of the character he plays in terms of endearment so fucking good as your best friend who is completely willing to steal your job from you the character after he plays the John Lewis character was based somewhat on New York theater. Director Michael Bennett the director girls with whom Bob FAA okay. Thanks a lot of sense and I do that just out of being in the same business. There's also the fact. Back to that are actual rivals or Frenemies to use the more modern parlance yeah the producer has lunch or no he's watching John Lift goes rehearsal for another show and telling him the whole story of how horrible it is what happened to get in and lift house making all the appropriate Tut Tut's how unfortunate they're both doing this dance which is he's not going to be so crashes to come out and ask John Lithgow to take over the directing and John Lithgow isn't going to be so crass as to offer but they eventually meet and he says well you know I'd be happy to take a look at the script and he says aw Oh my God you know what I happen to have any here but then the way that's punctured at the lunch that they have where we find out one that the thing he was rehearsing his flopped and do and how do we find out the ultimate indie in D._O._D.. Indignity dignity where a woman comes up to him and asks for his autograph and tells him I'm an actress and next to Joe Gideon you my favorite director. I'm so sorry your show is a flock to to us the moment that you're kind of mostly in the business four he's a Broadway theater director and he got recognized at a restaurant he so obviously thrilled by that and then to have that moment pierce your deepest fears and insecurities. That's showbiz folks. Wchs don't let anybody tell you different. Showbiz is just a series of indignities. If you can deal with that you'll do fine and there's so much of loving and hating show business yeah okay talking about Meta unpacking so you have Bob Fossey directing a semi autobiographical film which Co Stars a woman whom he had recently broken up with in an Ryan King playing basically herself in the film and playing out many true as their actual. We'll relationship and ranking to play herself at editions ever Yes. I saw that a brief an ranking moment. Can I just say wow what a dancer. I mean people are listening is going yeah but I mean you know. I'm not a dance person. I'm not a musical a person but holy Shit. Could she dance an amazing dancer. Issues also beautiful like is it was swept up in the whole thing in this scene he puts himself on the hook yet again by showing how his selfishness allowed him to justify justify relentless philandering and yet how his insecurity caused him to freak out when any woman that he was involved with care to do the same thing. How LACO Katie did you mean it about dinner while he's eleven surprise surprise came right? I'm a little surprised too nice now. We're all surprised who's that Michael Graham. Who is Michael Lind Ballet Allie class straight or gay looking to get laid or is he looking for Mr Right Eastern toll Michael Graham is a very tall man scheider man? I can't believe you didn't Win Academy Award for this. It's ridiculous. At least he was nominated tornadoes. You're going to read you the nominees this year and it's perhaps understandable actor leading role Dustin Hoffman for Kramer vs Kramer Jack Lemmon for the China Syndrome Al Pacino and justice for all Peter Sellars for being there Roy Scheider for all that jazz and the winner was Peter sellars Dustin Hoffman Kramer versus Kramer for Sorry White People got divorced tragic tragic memo mini whatever it is tragic moment any yeah yeah. That's that's what it was. I don't know isn't it like sad kids torn apart by divorce probably as a child of two divorces. I don't ever want to see that movie any year where you're up against Dustin Hoffman Jack Lemmon Al Pacino Peter Sellars as an actor and you lose okay a real tight love Roy Scheider and but I think he would probably also like wow that's that's like I am amongst the Great Sierra way that I think he is not he thought of He. I think he is a lot better than people. Give him credit for. I'm always everything that we've seen him in both in the podcast ask and in general I'm always like why do I not think of him in the same way that I would think of let's say <hes> because he didn't live long enough to have the victory lap that in America maybe we tend to wait for before we admit the greatness greatness of someone who we just kind of took for granted because he's just reliably good kind of everything and also Roy was a working actor and did a lot of stuff. Let's put it charitably. I mean he was in two thousand ten with John Lithgow. He took a job job right. He took jobs when they were offered. He had more of a Michael caine approach to the business I say but I do think he'd lived another ten years into his eighties like Gene Hackman like Jack Nicholson and then kind of went away a little bit but was still around. We would all go holy Shit Roy Scheider. What a career well? His last credit is something called Iron Cross in two thousand nine versus something to do with the Nazis retired New York police officer played by the late Roy Scheider. I guess he died before cannot travel to Nuremberg to visit US sunroof years after turning his back on him for rejecting a promising career in the N._y._p._d.. And marrying a local artist but now the aging S. commander who murdered his entire family and a police force during World War Two yup you gotta I WanNa play a scene that brought me to tears. There are father her daughter moments played with heartbreaking specificity throughout all that jazz father of a daughter who's not much younger than the character played by Ariza Bet Foley does a great job her only film role communicating that heartbreaking being disappointment in her father's lack of attention yet even more heartbreaking her forgiveness of that. We've seen many scenes in a movie where the dad is breaking his promise or all. I forgot I was taking you. I'm so sorry sweetie. I've gotta work but what's so genius about this movie. Is that so many of the scenes where he's doing that to his daughter. She loves him so much that she forgives him. That's the heartbreak that he's able to communicate and of course the same thing is true of all the women in his life is that his girlfriend played by an ranking does that he's forgiven forgiven so much. It's so weird that for such a important figure I really have to be reminded what Bob Plus he actually looked like in a weird way. I was weird when no why isn't his image more thing that we're aware because he was not as famous as a dancer choreographer geographer director I was watching some clips and seeing him. I know he really was good but who was also talking about a lot of his signature moves came from his physical imperfection limitations. He's limitation that scene we wanted he was saying I couldn't do the ballet. Turnout run out so I kept having people turn things in. I have a bit of a Slouch so I would overemphasize it. In the moves advantage of it. I started losing my hair real quick yeah so everybody's hats had work. I also saw thing where you're saying that he famously had tight hips and so that informed a lot of these signature moves as well but anyway to go back to the scene man. I don't know this reduced me to tears and it's such a joyful scene. It's not played for pathos yet. I was so moved by which is when an Ryan King and Full D.. Put on a performance for Joe Gideon in his apartment to everything old is new again. There's a little bit of their. It's you're going to hear a song and some conversation but but it's good it's good uh-huh <music>. It's incredible. I was just weeping watching last night. It's so moving I read an anecdote towed from Scheider that said he regretted that Fosse had them do this in a rehearsal moment and he himself was reduced to tears because at that point in the process he sort of knew what the subtext was here. These two people who love love him one of whom is his daughter and the other who is his current girlfriend who are putting on a show that features his movements the hands the hats that point of the end where she says pretty pictures because that's the Fossey thing is like if you took a picture of it it's the picture of a dance move. Held Charter says they performed this and he was just weeping and he felt kind of bad because Fosse kept saying. Do you want to see more of it as a no no don't ever show me anything again I just I want to try to get back to how I felt. When you first yes lead that for me his his reactions are good in that scene but knowing that I think when you watch it again you can see he's already had the emotional experience in a way so it's one of those things where as director had Fossey held that off I think we would have really seen Scheider fall apart yeah right way then he would have gotten the frigging academy award? That's not that doesn't often cried Fossey. Did it on purpose. You don't want to go up there yeah. He's like this is my movie. I don't want you getting the credit. That scene is so good because it's everything is old is new again. The fact did the daughter and girlfriend are. They're doing his moves. Everything is commenting on everything else and is repeated. It's insightful and a little creepy that he recognizes that there's something he controls yes. His dance moves these two women they lovingly celebrating it with him and yet there is a discomfort because they're also doing it to make him feel better because he had a false advocate because he had a flop because he's sick. This is what they're doing to make him feel better. So much of this film is repurposing oppressing one thing for another repurposing his actual life and for the subject of the movie repurposing is old relationship with Enron Leland Palmer Leland Paul. No the new musical everything is about repetition and the fact that it's showtime folks. You can't break out of these cycles because this is who he is which is I think what makes us such a great character study on top of everything else that attest to say about death and show business and being a performer. There's also the thing of being helpless in the face of your own character and I wonder too if you'd has power because it's a unforced moment. Which of course they worked it out in the context of the movie? The girlfriend and the daughter worked out the routine for Joe but you could imagine in his work then it becomes something that you try to capture something of that real moment in work on stage which you can of course never really do. It's like chasing the high the first time you get high and then it's like it's never as good again in the same way I think the scene has such pure fun and Whimsey and yet when you try to do that on stage or make other people do it onstage as you have it in your head in the highly specific manner you become the monster. That scene is just showing credible for me yeah. Ben Vereen is brilliant as the character her o'connor full honor flood. I think he's doing a sammy. Davis Junior. Take care because there's one scene where he has the Star of David Necklace and I didn't know Sammy Davis had been in sweet charity and so I think Fosse is kind of taking a little bit. That character as well anyway this is a little bit of the Ben Vereen character and the hospital sequence wonderful. The words superstar is greatly overused in this business but for my next guest the word superstars totally inadequate whenever I do benefit and I've done a hundred and fifty sixty seventy this year off a very worthy causes I can always count on this dude to be right there with me feel humble and his presence from deep deep in here ladies and gentlemen. Let me lay on you a great entertain a great entity a great humanitarian great humanitarian and my friend for twenty five my dearest dearest friend for twenty years five years. Do I hate Showbiz love business. I'll go either way is that as succinct a Bob Fosse statement as pounder as the neglectful flexible nurse her. I thought that was such an interesting turn because after all this his death is sort of hinged upon a neglectful moment because he's been two full shit for so long and she doesn't really take him seriously and it's his ex wife who's kind of like come on he's had another heart attack and the nurse character doesn't believe that as a result he goes into the body bag after the insane musical number at the end we didn't talk too much about the scenes with him and Jessica Lang with the angel of death for me. The weakest part of the film I find the other stuff so real even the staged musical numbers at the end. I find so real even though they're collusive notorious other-worldly. They don't really work for me. Although I understand why they're there because they worked at in the context of everything else the very fact that he did not just jump back and forth in time but also jumped into this other space and the fact that they came together after the musical number as he is being wheeled down the gangplank toward her. I thought it was just it's a beautiful shot and also it was a very fossey aesthetic in that he was kind of grimy looking yeah a little dark and you could see where things were hung and thought of as a combination. I did like having just that third plane of existence where he is. He's on a little bit more honest. I guess the Juxtaposition broadly is you have this blonde ethereal gauzy goddess who's actually the angel of death right and then you have this colorful dancing singing manic energetic presidents in the benzedrine character and he's kind of Satan so it's a flipped imagery or something I actually thought about her in contrast to the other women the Congress with the theater people who are all so earthy and Ling sweaty and you were her saying and they're all smoking majority jokes and stuff like that and that contrast worked and to me it just captured him and the fact that it was so phil mic and theatrical it was well which is one of the things that I just love about this movie in about his aesthetic general well to that point Alan Heim. The editor had a good quote. I think is from the same article you recording before he said people in this business are always afraid to leave. The audience behind. One of the things I liked about working with Fosse was that he believed the more you can tell a story without using words the better off you are. I always felt when I was working on a Fossey movie that even though there were always a lot of words words in a sense it was like making a silent movie. The pictures were everything and it is true that whatever is going on you could take a picture of the screen and it will tell you what the dialogue and or singing and dancing is meant to do and it's so funny because that's what a musical the number is. We've reached a moment in the story where what we're about to express can only be expressed through song and dance seventies when you can't talk anymore and you have to say I dance number happens when you can't say anymore. You have to dance heightening being the way Fosse wanted to be Fred Astaire as a young mess right and he wished that he had what Fred astaire had which almost no one has ever had since which is not only the phenomenal dancing ability but he could also sing and he could also act quote in one of the flossy documentaries that says the thing with Fred Astaire's he makes it look so easy to go from a dialogue scene to suddenly breaking into song to suddenly breaking into dance and if you remember in our grease episode the director actor Randall Klausner talked a lot about how hard it actually is to do that in a movie we take it for granted that these segues they just happen but he's like. It's actually really hard to do to cutting of a dialogue scene and then all of a sudden someone's GonNa break into song pretty soon. The audience and Fred Astaire could just do that himself yeah so they didn't have to do complicated setups to get there but fossey himself was not enough of an actor or a singer to be able to do that so he went all in on. I'm going to create the language of modern modern dance. I don't know if there was a director himself but certainly a choreographer and has a big star. All of his dances would be filmed very wide and Fosse introduced is highly edited quick different angles more close ups of the moves to showing as opposed host just sitting back and watching it play out in front of you which was probably like that he was never going to be able to do it the same way that Fred astaire would so you invent a new vocabulary wanted to ask what your thought about this was so he does seem like he's going to live at some point and then he does die and I wonder if he is conscious of that million dollar payout for the producer's like it's good for everybody. If I die sort of how I mean he's I'm no self loathing and to live Oh he embraces deputy. I don't know if he wants to live at some point. He realized I hate myself so much. Maybe I should just like oh no. He says she goes in for deaths kiss Angelique and he says no not now please not now. I've got so much to do and she backs off but did he has one last show and then goes out it's well. I think the way it's played is they watch the hilariously filmed review of his film in the Great Deadpan review that they use the reviewer singles out the cliff Gorman character whereas really elevating the material above here but unfortunately joe getting is not able to service anything so it does give you that kind of motive like shit and then he dies and then in the end. I felt like perhaps there's no other way it could end. The very final musical number for me did finally go over the top jeff where we were. What's the song they're singing with benzedrine? I buy like your by by life didn't get that it's a little too subtle offer me by that point. We've had about four or five brilliant musical numbers some of which involve his daughter his wife his girlfriend and they're so well done filmed on the sound stage with Joe Gideon Directing himself yourself hospital and then being irritated that he's not performing his lines but then the final scene is where he's performing in front of a theater of everyone. We've come to know the producer burlesque kids the stand up his all everybody everybody's there Oh my God the shot of him being zipped up in a body bag and the fact that it cuts off the music that's playing just before and it's such a simple idea but it is so right to cut the sound out that abrode zipping of the body back handed the pulse tones from film set for getting up to speed on audio. They're using the beep beep beep of the audio then that also counters heart monitor that he's on and then after he zips up they go right into this yeah. There's no business like show business like no business. I know everything about it is appealing. Taping the traffic will allow. Could you get that happy when you got extra. This was an interesting tidbit. Bob Fosse's the only person ever to win an Oscar and any the Antonio Award in the same year nineteen seventy-three so he must have won the Oscar for cabaret. He won the Emmy for Liza with a Z. It was a TV special and I don't know what he won. The Tony Award your mortgage would have been that same year. We went for pippen so in Nineteen seventy-three he won best director of a musical and best choreography of musical and his Tony Wins stretch back to nineteen fifty five. He was jailed stage before we're getting into. We won a Tony in one thousand nine fifty five and he won his last one in one thousand nine hundred six so he didn't get the E got as they call it. What's the one that he's missing the grammy? He's missing the grammy. It's the least of them really yeah so Tony Oscar and emmy the tow that doesn't quite listeners. Let's try to Hashtag toe if you haven't seen all that jazz recently really make a point to check it out if you've watched Fosse verdon erred in. I don't know what your opinions will be but I think this in such an interesting way is the most definitive celebration of and take down of yes Bob Fosse done by Fossey honesty kind of an amazing kind of insight interesting cliff Gorman mm-hmm anecdote when I first moved to New York. My first job was at C._B._S.. Television which was on West Fifty Seventh Street there are taverns and bars there where you would go after work and Andy Rooney would be there Mike Wallace or other C._B._S.. Personas one bar was called Armstrong's wrong and we used to have funny interactions with like these Broadway actors who would hang around at this bar and I was watching this entire movie and I was watching those entire segments and I'm thinking who is this guy is brilliant. What an actor looks familiar? He's Kinda. That guy didn't even realize it was cliff Gorman until I googled it and I remembered that we had one night at the bar where my friend Peter Joe and I were totally talking to cliff Gorman who was hanging out and he was sitting at the corner of the bar up over his shoulder was a photo of himself. In Lenny it was a picture trofim over his shoulder playing Lenny Bruce in his Tony Award winning Lenny Bruce Rooms so he played Lenny Bruce Tony Award winning performance then Bob Fosse is going to do the film and you don't get the part because you're not Dustin Hoffman yeah show Biz man though he got a consolation prize. Is this getting to play sure meeting me at Armstrong. No that's its own prize that is not a consolation for anything. Bowl cast and crew was brought to you by two different guys on a bench a new comedy be series from American Bangles Star Ryan o'flanagan two different guys on a bench where Ryan talks to Ryan on a bench. We keep the comedy simple folks do different guys on a bench videos can be found now on facebook at chocolate comedy like and follow chocolate for the latest and greatest short form comedy videos juggler original comedy delivered daily. Do WanNa go to alternative casting. Yes Jack Beatty did not want to die at the end of the movie so typical. I love the over yourself. That's a pretty lame reason and I don't know that he was this is what Read Yeah Columbia Pictures Wanted Warren Beatty. He was interested provided. He didn't die at the end so well. I think that that's an impact I don't I don't I got an image. I remember that anecdote from some other that would have been a problem for heaven can wait to that would've been they really can't learn the beginning so that's how you commit an actor I also saw that Dreyfuss was originally cast. We talked about that on jaws as well because he has similar things they might have even started. Maybe it was pre production before they went to filming but he didn't have confidence in Fossey as a director or in the process and dropped out and later said like yes. I was a fool mistake well. He had just won an academy award for the Goodbye Girl Interestingly. It's funny because Scheider had this same interesting moment in how he got his other iconic film performance. In Jaws was similarly through a bit of Qismat brick as he calls Richard Dreyfuss says rick was a friend of mine came by apartment in New York to visit the family he said to me. I don't think I want to do this movie. I asked him why and he said this don't like Fossey and he doesn't like me and I just don't feel mentally prepared to do this and I said to him rick back you'd better tell him because you've been in rehearsal for a week so he did tell him and then he left so then shudders agent who was also Fossey's agent called him up and said what I like to read the script so he read it he went to a meeting with Fossey and he went down to Fossey's office and told him all look silly wild crazy dopey ridiculous parts he'd ever played in Summer Stock Theatre. You actors always do this right like you're up for a part and you want us to hear all about your regional theater credits depending on the part of the movie Guy. I've done place you want to show them. What I'm showing I mean even even though he doesn't Sing Greek says I'll tell you what if you're willing to come to my apartment every night and read the script with me? I'll consider you for the part by the end of the week. He said you're the guy and he had to go to bat for shutter with the studio because everybody said it was artistic suicide quote Roy Scheider the guy from the French. Ah got to be kidding but fosse stuck with me and said this is the guy that's great another one considered Jack Lemmon but it was decided that he was too old for the role yes Alan alda Robert Blake Elliott Gould Gene Hackman Jack Nicholson and George Segal were considered it and again this is this is just everybody. Who's anybody get script? It is fun to think of that you know I don't know that I think any of those would have worked Alan. Alda no Robert Blake. I Dunno well in place Jon voight read for the role of Joe Gideon about Bob Fosse had already recommended Roy Scheider so bullet there. It's just so funny Roy Scheider here's at least two instances where he ends up turning in an iconic movie performance in a film he wasn't even slated to be to be in when the film's production had started and both involved Richard Dreyfuss who else was considered was a Bob Fosse to play the lead role producer David h mountlake pointed out that Fossey who had a history of heart problems wouldn't survive live the shoot. Oh look put us on a timer while I do have to do an interview okay so should we just move really quickly to latch key TV. Yes okay hello this week. I'm doing a different Latchkey T._v.. Approach I'm going only through the feature ads oh great. I want to start Kris with the sears capturing the magic of Christmas twenty one piece portrait package. Did you ever get your kid photos taken at a seers never this is like a rite of passage for someone from the seventies in the eighties where your mom would get you dressed up in some ridiculous outfit like this you would go sit on like a piece of wood with a carpet tattooed onto onto it and get a ten by thirteen wall portrait to eight by ten three five seven and fifteen wallace is photos for your mother to have her. We did that at school. This is before school photos okay. This is the business professional photographic equipment John It then. I love this mission impossible add a because I loved mission impossible child also because since airplane must have already been out they inadvertently use an airplane joke cry and supposedly serious episode of Mission Apollo really you don't want to miss mission impossible but don't call me it says your mission Jim is to rescue an innocent man from execution in a Turkish prison one more thing Jim. He's an old friend from the I._M._F.. Team then Vanna White in her first television movie a three thousand year old goddess comes to life to learn the true meaning of love Chris. Vanna is Venus in the goddess of love of Romantic Fantasy Comedy also starring David Leisure Joe Isuzu if you remember him from even Naughton from an American Werewolf in Paris London he might have appeared in John Rhys Davies. You know him of course in Little Richard. I don't know the Vanna White Oriental Little Richard did other acting performances and then just flipping the page we have another. This must have been this is eighty eight so a lot of romantic twisted things. Here's a woman licking large diamond the diamond trapped the irresistible combination of fire and ice. It's world premiere starring Brooke Shields and Howard I get along Great Edmar Naro from Hillstreet Blues and twiggy. I'm shipping this. A shields and Howard has also thought this was funny Geraldo. He gets answers as a reporter he brought home. The news from sixty countries and twelve wars are although asks the questions. You'd like the answers. Do you don't know my life. You know questions. I want the answers to definitely more than just talk also a shout now. This is sort of a combo headline because interesting crossover just today so Michael. What's his name right Max right Max right who played the I guess the producer on the comedy move of stand up comedy the only in the film film within the film and all that jazz great turn was really glad to see his distinctive voice and sorted hemming in hiring probably best known for playing the Dad on Al Yes and this special episode of Elf says cates having a baby having a kitten? Oh I was having right. I don't know whether that means he's also pregnant but with getting was he alf eight cats. We did yeah that was part of neighborhood. <hes> I think on US soil for Alf yeah and his plan. I think they would eat something like cats. Something like cats are cats. I've never been but that was out seeing like there would be jokey. Keep wanting to eat cat. I didn't know all these. That isn't got a free like when you're worried about like I'm having kittens. I guess so she's having kittens yeah. I don't know what I do know about. How long does divers care in the season? Ramirez Fantastic Richard Dean Anderson macgyver guy ever faces a trap even he can't get out of his own dark past. Oh so very much like all that jazz tonight. I'm a guy that doing that for Super Listener R F Brown who used to just do that all the time in college tonight up a guy or maybe that was A._J.'s. Do that somebody who cares if you're both great guys. This is another one eight Melissa Gilbert T._v.. Movie parental discretion advised Chris Killer instinct as a woman she fears him as Dr. She's determined to save him. Can she survive a patient with a killer instinct also starring Woody Harrelson from chairs so that's sort of like a dry run for natural born killers I guess so then since it's eighty eight we're going to go spies lies and naked thighs right only three he things can save the president's life that would be the aforementioned lies lies and naked thighs starring Ed Begley Junior Linda Purl and Harry Anderson so one of them is the spy the others allied air. I bet it's Harry Anderson Santa's the naked thighs yeah then and this is from the main edition of TV guide randomly. There's a ad for a Hawaiian calendar beautiful colorful scenic pictures authentic why that's in T._v.. Guide I don't know if you're in Maine your phone yeah you haven't seen the sun a little shoutout to incredible hulk starring Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno his pent up anger has been seething for six long years in other words. It was cancelled six years ago. We've now gone through the cycle where everything old is new again. It's a T._v.. Movie me the incredible Hulk returns then weirdly everything was like T._v.. Versions of movies so we have beauty and the beast of the series yes war of the worlds the series and Friday the thirteenth the series Oh I've heard of all of those the T._V. series you never heard of beauty and the beast that made Ron Perlman but that doesn't look like Ron Perlman there I mean I wonder if this is an earlier beauty and the beast. That's definitely him under it's not I mean under makeup who's underneath nolte then I mean somebody should bring this back. Circus of the Stars Thirteenth Annual Death Defying Acts Astounding feats and much more ringmaster BEA Arthur and and Martin mull so you're in good hands. That's another I'm shipping and here's our circus contributors Louie Anderson John byner Mary Hart Harvey Korman. Tom Poston from the newhart show okay <hes> Cathy Rigby fame gymnasts. Isn't that Peter Pan which is a gymnast wasn't he. I guess maybe I mean isn't she. Peter Pan because she was a gymnast. I thought it was a short enough to yeah. Gymnasts short jockey though Jockeys Tampon commercials. Who are we talking about again? Cathy Rigby Yeah former artistic gymnast her performance in the nineteen sixty eight summer Olympics helped popularize the sport well you got but why am I thinking tampons. Let's go down that. I'm sure my my interview can wait. I'll I bet you I'm going to be right Cathy. Rigby tampons Maxi pads stay free Maxi pads. That's close ballpoint my last one to go. This is brilliant ad for Burlington sheer sheer indulgence pantyhose which features a attractive young woman with a bag of groceries spilled at her feet in her living room and it has a quote from her quote. I went looking for peaches and came back with a pair this time of year and he wanted his favorite dessert right so off to the market I went but instead of something mundane I found something Fabulous Burlington sheer indulgence these new shapely very silky pantyhose right there and Dan so affordable I couldn't wait to put them on and they felt so delicious to heck with desert. I made reservations. That's that's long dot com also like it's like a foot fetish thing because like the tow Co is like grabbing the package of hose and then there's an blooming orchid which is obviously a vaginal symbol. Yes each which is obviously referencing like peaches. Now in emojis are used to indicate but butts yes so this was like really this is sort of like the the very sexual yeah very sexual so to heck with desert. She's not cooking dinner Chris. She made reservations. That's much more room also final shut out now cigarettes from the eighties remember those tried to make cigarettes like mechanical. Oh an eighties lake like were they robots. They're like in a silvery box. We're just sort of like now like not. That old fashioned got like Tamil these are now. I thought they were like jewels before you know it's like door now now. He's advertise cigarettes so anyway that's Latchkey T._v.. And that's our episode for Chris when he got to take out well until next week as we close the book on this very personal look at the Omega remember it's always been preceded and followed to buy the Alpha thanks for listening to full cast and crew. I just wanted to remind everyone to subscribe if you haven't already see you'll get a new.

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42 - Peter Flynn, Director & Educator

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42 - Peter Flynn, Director & Educator

"You're listening to the broadway podcast network as the curtain rises. Broadway's i ever behind the curtain soap opera with a star studded cast including alex brightman ashley. Park arianna dubose. James monroe aigle heart. Michael yuri sarah styles. Andrew feldman lilius. White leslie margarita. George salazar rabin karen lou body milligan and so many more with guest appearances from lynn. Nottage alex blackmore allen. Coming david torrens. James jordan roth gordon. She's people just just go. Listen already visit. Vpn fm slash as the curtain rises. That's bt and dot fm slash as the curtain rises or. Find it everywhere. You listen to podcasts. Anti ringling villainy. Hey everyone welcome to page to stage. A conversation. With theater makers hosts. That's brian and that's mary. Join us as we focused the spotlight back on the theater maker to uncover their process. We speak with folks in the industry. That often aren't heard from such a stage. Managers producers crew members marketing professionals. Everything in between. We hope you enjoyed this episode. This podcast is sponsored by next. If there's anything the pandemic has taught us it's that e commerce is the only commerce no matter your industry but not if your customers can't find what they're looking for on your website yet answers make sure your customers can get an official answer to every question by adding a best in class search engine to your website that means more transactions fewer expensive calls to customer service and much happier customers. Try next answers for free visit. Yes dot com. That's why e x t dot com introducing the new verizon unlimited plans. Now you can pick a plan for as low as thirty dollars a month per line with auto pay get five g nationwide plus massive data capacity plus spam blocking features and with rise in business limited. You can mix and match the right plans for your business so you get more of what you need and none of what you don't from verizon. The network businesses rely on five g. Nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities on most visa. Five g devices monthly proline pricing with five plus lines on biz unlimited start device payment smartphone purchase auto pay paper-free billing required terms apply. Hi i'm peter flynn. I'm a freelance theatre. Director and also an educator at montclair state university which. Mary and i are both kratz from mary in the grad program. Rate and me from the acting. Undergrad you kind of caught. Both of our attention will. Actually i remember seeing you speak. Peter Two summers ago at the broadway teaching group. When i was an intern there over the summer. Actually where i met mary. But you recently caught our attention with the new production of your production of working at montclair state university. So like over the past ten months we've shared with our listeners. The processes of so many different artists in how covid has affected their processes. But we haven't gotten a chance to speak with anybody directly connected to college theater program during this time and so having gone to school for acting. I imagine how difficult this has been for college. Students in training programs and of course educators. Like yourself so since you are a college professor and director you begin by telling our listeners. What you've observed the last year in theater education under these new circumstances. Sure it's been absolutely fascinating from several angles and i know a lot of times. Fascinating gets is presumed to be a positive and on engaging thing. But i really mean that. I've been fascinated sometimes compelled and sometimes distracted by the new mode of interaction especially being in theater which is alive form not only between actors but between audience and actors that piece got removed abruptly and constantly and so i as both an educator and a live performance artist as a director had to look for either a facsimile of that or an alternative to that what is the kinetic immediate relationship that compels actors to relate and express while also compelling an audience to engage and earned what. I fascinated me about. That is how much i took that for. Granted before quarantine before we went virtual in video how much i realized i relied on it conditionally that i just knew. Actors were going to connecticut find each other on stage of verbally. Visually tangibly musically and that that connection would then build a larger connection between the immediate connecticut experience of the of the the audience the visual sonic palpable experience of the audience. And with that gone. I then both as an educator and director held myself obliged to figure out what we do instead and it continues to be ten to eleven months in the question or or as i say to actors both in the rehearsal studio in that classroom an inquiry meaning for me. A plane question is something where the answer is useful. How old is the character twelve. Where do they live the midwest right as distinct from an inquiry where the question is more important. Why is she doing this. How could this be happening. I would much rather an actor ask that and then engage in the scene right so so for me. The continual inquiry is. What do we do to manifest connection impulsivity and dramatically and so a lot of it became for me trying to find what people have in their own environments that would generate that sort of impulse or kinetic activity which then would engage in audience because they are living in a similar environment. Meaning were all living somewhere not where we're supposed to be meaning the audience and the actor are both not in the theater together but they are living similarly in the not theater space whether that's home or an office or a dormitory right. That's where i had to get to. And i got there by using what i would call anthropological skills. I i will sometimes say to. My students actors at best or anthropologists. We are studying the species. We are studying the species of being human. Why do we do things. How do we do things. How often do we do things right. And so i really had to take that to heart for myself to say. How were we living right now. What is causing us to get up. What is causing us. Consternation or frustration or abandonment or solitude right and then finding the things in our environments that are similar so we could engage with them as actors and identify them as audience so to keep it specifically to working To give a little context before quarantine we were going to do. Another musical entirely in the fall when we thought we were going to do a traditional musical doing something else and very quickly. We changed horses. And i really credit The head of the musical theater program at at montclair state clay james with the idea he said what about something like working and i had been working before produced it before and i immediately you know it spoke to me instinctively a because i've known it ever since the american playhouse version back in the eighties Where i saw it originally and i became that cult apart are called appreciation club of the musical. I just think it's magnificent. And i started looking at realized right. So there are no moments of intimacy seventy to eighty percent of. It is monologue in its form. So it's individual people and it's something we're all relating to universally not only being of work being in labor or at labor but also right now however we all working right so it was. It was a win win but the first win was already in the peace right. Like it's all the elements that i just described. The second one was something that i came upon which was well this. If we really want to do justice to this piece we find how it relates to how we're working right now. Masked socially distanced from home any combination of those very. Fortunately gratefully i am friends with stephen schwartz. Who is the original director and conceiver and The composer of some of the most beautiful music in the score. And so i wrote him and i said so. What do you think of this idea. You know what i'd like to do is Interview some people who are anywhere from front line first responders to people who have been impacted personally. you know Residential by the quarantine or business wise who's been impacted and Very generously immediately with with great enthusiasm compassion stevens. Said this is what you do. In fact he said. I love when this piece gets on earth for its relevancy to current cultural experience. And the what should said is the idea came because Throughout last semester up two semesters ago throughout spring semester. I knew some of my students had first responders on frontline people in their family as well as some people whose families had been impacted because jobs had been either furloughed or lost because of it. So i actually had tangible immediate access to update though working script experience and so when stevens said yes. I then wrote an email to the entire musical theater student body and i said so. This is what we're doing with this play. This was even before we auditioned for it. If any of you or your family are interested in being interviewed so that we could turn those into monologues characters. please be in touch and very luckily we. We got responses from. I think five or six different people and that was really i. You know i was really moved by people wanting to be involved that way and so My soci- directional johnson who just graduated And i had a conversation. I really said to her this needs to be. I needed director. Show need somebody to commandeer this Curated and extensive conversations. Chanel came up with a list of questions on then. Once we were cast chanel. And i met with we. You know we cast five hours on sort of blind saying you are absolutely the feel and the vibe and the culture of our show. But we don't have your monologue yet to come and so we then met with them and said we're going to have these interviews. Here are the times. are you available. So then when we had the interviews chanel would meet with the people with the actor. Who's about to become that character listening and once chanel had finished the first interview. Then say hey actor. Do you have any other questions. And there'd be a whole second part of the interview that the actor would then be ignited by what he had heard. Say yes. I do have a question about that. And so from their chanel in the actor then curate a monologue send it to me. We'd go back and forth with some edits and We renamed everybody said they were named fictitiously or and in the show and then we rehearse them as actual monologues and put them and then shot them As part of our our show so that was that was one. Half of how we put the show on was creating these new bonafide characters from the twenty twenty Experience and wear in twenty twenty like wearing the pandemic. Did this happen was earlier on. Was this you know we gave some time. Let the kind of reality hit great questionnaire. Yeah no it was so you know. So the the pandemic hit. We all went into quarantine in spring semester. And that really was. I knew i was going to be directing the traditional musical in the fall. That just sort of went on pause like we didn't even deal with that. It was all about switching over to. How are we going to teach so the spring semester was all remote right and so the first thing i had to do was what we were talking about earlier is. What can i use in my student. Actors environment to make what they are doing. Authentic impulsive essential and relevant to what we were doing right. So in some places. I had to choose In all my classes. I switched texts because In one of my classes. I was doing large group scenes from american plays and in the other class. I was doing on smaller but still multi characters scenes from shakespeare and not knowing how to use zoom yet and not knowing accounting for sound interference. I switched both of those texts to other shakespeare texts and another american classic play that could be done in monologue form but to make it performative then suggested to each class. Why don't we do a final sweet. If you will of these monologues that we will shoot from your own environment and then myself and a video editor will edit together and we'll do sort of a montage if you will a musical monologue medley of each of these classes work so that there was an end product right because that's what we do. In in performance we ultimately want to share it with an audience. So it's sure it's about performing because we'd like to perform but it's also that essential need to. I have made something. do you want it. What do you think of it right so instead of just sort of running out of steam at the end of the semester. I said to each of them. Let's let's work on these monologues and we're going to show them together as your final offering and then you'll also each time capsule from now on to say this is what we created at the end of the spring mont Spring semester of two thousand. Nineteen this all i happened. I'm not too familiar with the musical. Working i listened to a bunch of the one of the more recent recordings of it in prep for this episode. But i'm wondering. How does your production altered the text in the circumstances within the script if you guys are contributing additional piece of material so i would say about eighty five percent of the show is what it is And again that came. Not just. Because i wanted to keep the integrity of the show. But because i've been at such an admire of that show for so long So you know. I started with wanting to illuminate the show as is because of its what we did was create those five monologues that i just described and to make room for them. I asked stephen could be lose a few monologues. That either were not age appropriate for the students or seemed a little Dated because of when they were originally written and again he very constructively very generously. Said sure let you know what they are and where you're putting the other ones in so we did musically the show is basically what it is but what we did to make. Our version was to add those five monologues that we called from the interviews. Yeah it's it's so interesting just doing some research on working in prep for this. I noticed that you know there's been so many revisions in doing what you're doing. I'm assuming since it first premiered in nineteen seventy seven. The show was not considered a hit. Only running twenty four performances and twelve previews on broadway. So what do you think it is about this musical that draws folks like yourself back to it from time to time well first of all. I think it's a. I think each piece is very well written. I think there's a cohesiveness that is hard to create for it every time because it is a a lot of people about their work experience and so on i know as a director as a creative one of my objectives is to avoid the petri tree of it to avoid that and then this happened and then here's another person right so i think the holistic part of it is the challenge. The individual pieces are little gems. And because you had great writers were on had stephen schwartz and craig cornelia and james taylor and mickey grant right all writing really beautiful pieces of of resource studs. Terkel his original book being so good as well that he really asked is essential unexpected questions of people. That don't usually get asked those questions right. So so the and again. That's that's a mutually beneficial thing. You have the common woman or the common man to which everyone can relate being asked questions about their job that or not about their job that are about them and their job and so now you've got source material. That is remarkably personal in an unexpected way which of course becomes really good fodder for drama and for music so then you get song titles like everyone should have something to point to right or all. Am as just a housewife. nothing special. Nothing great right. So i think what resonates for those of us. Who really love this. Musical is the craftsmanship is solid. You can't nicot in. It's like. I said they're all individual jewels and the second thing that i think has people coming back to it. Is that like i said that. Human condition element of it. This is if not ourselves. Our parents are siblings. Are co workers are best friends what we strive for. And it's an american musical. But i mean by that is of course being in. The workforce is a global experience but studs terkel Book as well as the musical focuses on the american dream. If i work to a certain place than life gets better you know the the one number that the cleaning women sing is all about some day. I won't have to do this all day long and not only will not have to do it all day long. The daughter i'm raising right now won't do it ever right. So there's an aspirational quality. That i think is in the dna of our american culture. And i think that's what's so engaging inspiring and moving about the show. I think that's also a universal theme even just for what's currently happening too. I mean there's so much of lake. You know if i if i work hard right now. You know it'll get better in the future in the you know what you just said about my kids. Won't you know the kids that i'm raising. Hopefully you know. We hope that they won't be dealing with covert in the future. But it's kind of that. That thought. So i'm i'm actually curious because from what i've seen because i've also with probably teaching groups specifically have seen many many of your workshops with teachers over the last maybe five years now including the most recent virtual one that you've done with where you brought students on and it feels like a lot of your teens and i'm assuming a lot of your direction is very physical. I i have a memory of one of the summers where you were with bonnie michigan and you had a running around the studio at open jar with into the woods and so curious how that the physicality translated virtually for you. And how were you working with that with with these actors for while you know to make it a short as possible. I'm a big believer as director. And as well as a i guess. I'd say a theatrical investigator. I'm a big believer in the body speaks. The mind doesn't right if you boil it down. Any idea that gets expressed is because of physical need or physical discovery and If any of my students listen to this podcast they will recognize that. The the example i give is you know i've yet to be in a room where somebody puts their hand on a hot stove and goes. Oh something's wrong right like the body speaks because something happened. We put our hand on that stove and all of a sudden not a leader. We pull our hanaway our mouth and our words are working faster than her mind. Ooh that hurt. that's hot. Somebody helped me i mean. Is there any ice. Is there bet. Wow i right. That's undermined talking. That's our body talking. So anything ultimately i believe worth saying comes from a physical experience and if we're doing our jobs right as theater artists we are representing physical experience. Physical relatedness physical discovery. That then gives way to really well constructed place right so whether we are in a virtual world or in a a viscerally connected world like theater what we are offering as artists and what audiences are sitting up for is that connection of physical discovery vitality and realization in connection so going back to saying before my big inquiry is. How do i find that as both a director and educator. I'm looking for what is stimulating. The body's need to express itself in this new space right. So i'm i'm looking for the actors relationship with the environment. I'm looking for the actors relationship to their sense of event right. It's not always the bodies relationships the environment around them. It's also the bodies experience of the event that's going on. I'm at home for three months. I'm expecting a call. I'm on this podcast right. And so how do i illuminate the physical experience for actors such that then find impulsive dynamic genuine ways to use text. I'm wondering if there's anything about this process as you're working on an just just so to clarify how how far are you. You guys are finished recording. The finished product is ready. And it's just waiting to be released. No actually so. What's interesting is to be right up to date. We were beginning our final week of shooting which was to be the three biggest numbers in the show because they were going to be alive. Capture of three company numbers in our largest bay set at montclair witches memorial auditorium which kept everything safe distance masks and on we had to stop production because one of our company tested positive and so we were four days away from finishing and could but the good news is we have figured out a way to catch those days again at the beginning of the next semester so with fingers crossed and a lot of faith and goodwill on the part of the production department. At at a theater and dance. We're going to be finishing that recording. I think the second week we're back in spring semester and then we'll go into editing and hopefully have something by the end of the semester so Seal see at then so as a director at a college. You're balancing your own artistic process in integrity but you're also responsible for giving your students a creative environment to explore and develop their craft at such an integral part of their training. How do you navigate that balance. And how does that affect your process as director sure will. Hopefully that balance is really more synthesis than it is balancing meaning what might artistic process is is hopefully one that is kindred to the one that my student actors are developing for themselves and want to participate in as actors so yes. I have a vision for a production whether it's professional or educational but that vision is only as good as the collaboration. That's going to build it with me right so i can honestly say flat out even in a professional setting. I know where we're going. But i count on my creative team designers as well as my acting company to find the way they're with me and you know a Yes that is. I say that generously but i also say that essentially i say that necessarily on. I need to hear your better bigger ideas than the ones i have. Because that's how the show is going to be. Ironically what. I envision right so i can sort of see where we're going and i know when i hear and hope this looks like but i don't know how to get there by myself so my artistic process always essentially ask questions so my artistic process whether it's educational or professional is always going to look over there and say what's this experience for you and what's it like on the inside. You're playing this character. i'm not or you know you're you're more versed in fabric or structure than i am. What's this idea that. I'm seeing that you're going to see a lot clearer or feel a lot more. Empathic louis impulsively. From the inside so the balance. I'm striking is for me. Perpetually what i imagine and how we get there. Rather than what i imagine. Oh it's not. What i saw i can honestly say i think i have. Maybe two experiences my entire professional experience. Where i ended up going. Oh this is what. I thought it was at all in. Its and it's it's less than or aberrant to the majority of times are always over there or over there. Wow deeper richer. Hire more complex than i expected So it's it's it's a constant. I guess the word balanced would be between me. Keeping us all focused on where we're going while also listening to how we want to get there and that's that that's how i would answer. That question. is the balances. In between while i have this one thing but i have to deliver this other experience for student actors. I actually think that's counter. I think that's i think it's counter. Intuitive my balance is here's where. I know we're going but i'm also going to balance on how we're getting there so i will keep us focused on the on the destination but the balance is made than asking a lot of questions and and and facilitating growth and development to get us there and that's both professional educational. That's the balance it's not between either or it's between here and where we are. There seems to be a theme of like questions. I mean questions that you're asking the actors the actors are asking you but also than the questions that you're asking and creating to flesh out these new characters within working and so. I'm i'm curious if if you've used the the interviewing portion of creating these stories if have you used that tool or that model before with other shows outside of working. Have you found that that really helps like your pre production like before you get in the room with the actors like have you found that that helps or hinders your process at all sure. I don't think i've every year. I don't think i've ever used the first person. Hey we should interview these people to see what they say and turn them into characters before because the characters have always been established. But have i and my pre-production researched other people that are kindred the characters in the plan directing you bet have i interviewed people who are either living live similar to the characters that are in the plan about direct absolutely. Do i encourage the actress to do that themselves. Whether it's family members or people in their Crystallize or outside. You know complete strangers that are open to being interviewed at -solutely right again. You know we're anthropologists we are. We are studying human behavior to reflect it illuminated heighten it so that there is always the question of how did this happen. Why is this occurring. What would make someone choose this so that there is fundamental empathy. And i don't mean compassion. I mean how. Do i wrap my mind and my own experience around a character's choices while you do that by asking questions why would they. How would they right and so yes to answer questions mary. I not done directed of us to create character. But i do conduct interviews all the time to refine character and to develop character absolutely. Do i ask my actress to do that to were absolutely what were some of the technical challenges because we're all having technical difficulties over the past year. Did you guys have any challenges or either personally or as a production that you wanna share about this process. Oh sure. I mean lots of them. And they're all as relatable in you know in in their own. Frustration consternation as i think that the experiences working are you know in person. There's the frustration of how close can we get to each other. How far away do we have to stay. We are always masked right like that was something that we had to really embraces when we to fully disclose when we first started pre production on working there were conversations all around of okay so in rehearsal everybody masked but when it's time to run a number or on shoot number will have those that are essentially in the number. Take their masks off. Do the number. And then put masks back on while we are all socially distanced well very early on in rehearsal. We could feel as a company not just me as a director. These masks aren't coming off. No one wants to take masks off this route. So then the choreographer and the musical director holly right or choreographer. And sarah england our musical director and the company had to figure out. Well then how do we do this number. How do we tell the story with everybody. Staying masks and again. I looked at the resource material Well it's whatever it is doing work right now. How do we balance. And here's really. Brian where i did have a balanced. How do we balance the clarity. And engagement of the story being told with the necessity of losing some sound some articulation and visually the lower. Half of everyone's face her hate that continues to be a challenge right a both in class end in rehearsal and in shooting the show right that that that is just the standard is we. Do not take masks off period you know so so that was a big thing in person is a. We can't stand that close and the masks or staying on and so we very early so early in our pre production. We were clear we were going to be prerecording music and the singing that people whether we were on a location. And i'll get to that in a minute or in the live capture in a memorial auditorium. We wanna prerecord music and lyric and people would be singing to that as we did that in rehearsal we realized oh. We're going to do that for all the speaking as well because trying to capture the speaking impulsively spontaneously. We just aren't getting it through the mask. So now we're going to go back into the studio which studio i mean everybody's own dorm room or bedroom or home recorded their send the file to our sound designer and Have him boil it down and added to the sound file. So everything is literally prerecorded except for to segue the things we did on zoom over line or or we rehearsed on zoom but then re recorded individual Videos for so so. The frustrations on video were how were rehearsing musical and again very early on our musical director. Sarah england found another audio platform. That could work in conjunction with zoom that within a few milliseconds sync up audio. If anybody's going find that. It's sarah exactly exactly and she did and use it with aplomb and always knew where everybody is supposed to be and you know and what was fascinating was we would be doing a group number. Whether it's four people are all eighteen people and she could say things like o'brien your twenty milliseconds behind. Mary only process behind your connections. Pretty good peter. You're about thirty five seconds behind. So we're definitely going to hear delay with you but joe you're only five six five milliseconds behind. That's great. you know you're really close and not only was it fascinating here. Say that but it helped all of us. Lean into okay so we have to cut each other some slack and know that. I'm going to get the best. I possibly can. But what it made it possible to do was rehearsed music on zoo because we were mute ourselves on zoom. We return up the the sound on the platform that sarah was using and to into which we all punched in and And then we would rehearse and it was fascinating that we could do that and then to record it. We would send that platform to everyone at home. They would press play on their own video. And then we would marry those two things in our edit. So the other great benefit we had was working with the school of communication and Broadcast media operations very early on my counterpart at this goal communication stewart mcclellan created coursework around our show so that he had a different shoot crew for every single number or seen in the show That it became their project to do and that was great because now we had investment from the capture side of the musical as much as the production side in the rehearsal side of the of the production and so we had somebody guiding us on that side as well which was great. I'm so fascinated by that technology. Just mentioned like so p so the actors were able to hear each other. Yes that's and sarah playing right. Yeah geology right and it's Will also you know there's also the If you've been following through that ski not only. Has he been doing stars in the house. He's been doing these concerts that he has found something that you know again here. We are in the wild west when the internet is working when people's power doesn't go out syncs up his live accompaniment with someone singing their own house. But you know having I did a spin off of stars in the house for them called. Plays in the house where we did play readings all summer long to raise money for the actress. Fund in the end of the lacey pe- defense fund during those times. I'd say seth james husband concerts going they say oh my god. We almost didn't happen tonight. You know so and so's power wasn't working. Because they live out in the country or our our internet went out and so five minutes before we didn't have any up. You know so it really. Is that like when you find the platform that works. You gotta make sure that there's power right which is just crazy in this twenty first century that we all are like hair your lights on good. We can do our concert. You know somme yes. Yes i totally feel that. I'm curious if you there is a specific stage or period of your directing process that you enjoy the most the figuring it out stage which it whether we are in this virtual world or regular world. It's always my favorite place. It's the breaking ground. It's okay we've done the read through. We've done the read sing through. Everybody is literally on the same page but also has a communal understanding of the story. We're trying to tell people asked really good questions. People have had really terrific discoveries and now we all wanna get on our feet at out how that happens so whether that was figuring that out because i would say our shows broken into thirds meaning. A third of the show is live. Capture company numbers that i described another third is where we went on location. Because some of you know some of these jobs happen outdoors. There's a mason working on stoneworks so we went to the amphitheater to shoot that There's an ironworker. We went onto a construction zone with a bunch of heavy construction equipment. We shot that. They're the red hawk. Diner was closed. Very generously. said shore come in with a smaller group and shoot the the waitress scenes masked and socially distance rights. We did we did some on location shooting and then the last third were songs and scenes. We shot quote unquote on zoom. Because in this new version that's where we would be interviewing these people right if we treat working as a musical documentary than we would go to people's office buildings. We would sue them. We would zoom the receptionist or the housewife. That i mentioned earlier. We're not gonna go to the housewife's home right now. That would be jeopardizing their health and hours. So we zoomed quote unquote just a housewife with six other housewives. Right so so in each place. We had to figure out how we were going to do that. How are we going to create the company number with masks and social distance. How are we going to create the on location experience outside. How are we going to create the zoom experience for the housewife is talking to the interviewer from her home. In what is your home. Look like is that a virtual world that we're sending a virtual background to the actor or is it something they can do in their their dorm room or their bedroom. So my favorite part was the okay. We all know the story retelling. We all know the questions we're asking around this particular character. This particular model logger song. Now how do we want to manifest physically. How do we want to manifest it. Visually and so at that point i just become a facilitator of good work. A good questions. That's where i really am asking more questions than saying you go there. It really is just engaging the actors and the musical director and the choreographer in the alright so what does this space like you know where we living. How are we moving in it. How are we capturing that right. So i think that's my favorite part is is sort of breaking ground on the on the physical environmental experience. Do you think this is the future of theater like this whether it's like this hybrid model of filming but it still theater. I have been finding myself asking myself. This question over the last. I would say probably six months now and i'm curious to your thoughts since you've actually been working on a production that that is that does appear to be this like hybrid model sincere filming on location and in a studio on zoom. But it's theater right so i'm curious your thoughts on that i'd say yes and yes meaning. I think i would never ever want this to happen again. I think what we're going to get out of. It are couple of things. One is in our civilian population as much as in our artists population. There's going to be this primal need to gather again right. We haven't gathered as families we haven't gathered as communities and we certainly haven't gathered to watch something larger than ourselves right so there theater around us all the time. The ball dropping. New year's eve was weird because the theatrical element of all of us gathering in a big space to watch this event happen couldn't occur so when we are all healthy and able to gather again is going to be this primal need to come out and be together and watch something larger than ourselves. Take place right so. That's the first thing that's going to happen. But the second say is what we're getting out of this time is access. We have access now to narrative and shared experience globally instantly constantly and that is something that because we took for granted happens sometimes and casually will now. We are innovating ways to share that If not visceral experience collective experience anywhere anytime and that is stimulating right so while i was directing the plays in the house series. I have students that every Every other year my wife. Who is a professional actor andrea burns and i go to new zealand and we teach for three weeks in christchurch new zealand and musical theater program. That's just really dynamic and offering musical theater to young actors. That normally wouldn't have that access while i mentioned him. Because during the place in the house series all of a sudden they were seeing my work and the actors with whom i was working instantaneously and able to communicate with me about what they were experiencing so now the every other year experienced became anytime they wanted to engage with me because they were seeing the work i was doing and how we were doing it together right. So there's an access to live theater. That i hope we creatively conscientiously responsibly. Build a hybrid when we get back into life theater. I don't know why we wouldn't keep that access. Yeah so then looking forward on a personal level in your process. Is there anything about working on this production of working that you take back to a normal quote unquote normal production when live theater returns. Yeah there is i. i don't think i can give you specifics. Like hey i found this trick online. That's just great. But i think i can tell you brian is i will be asking. How do we make this more accessible and also how does video make this. This visceral experience more potent right and we started to do that anyway. There were a couple of really breathtaking moments that i was seeing in regional theatre as well as commercial theatre where people were finding video and sonic experiences that were making the acting experience more impulsive and more dynamic and therefore the shared experience screen actor audience more kinetic and more profound. So what those are. I will know the more we do this. But i think those are the two things i'd say is. How do we make this more dynamic because of the holistic combination of video and sonic and an actor experienced come together but also i know i'll be leading into while now that we've created this. How do we make it more accessible. Because i think there's something for. I think there's a win win. They're not only. Is it about being more accessible for the audience. I think it's making it more accessible for the shared relationship between actor and audience and so the actors going to happen more profound experience knowing that their audience is larger than what is right in front of them. Do you think it's time to move onto our lightning round before we finish up. Yeah let's do it. Our first question is what is one thing in the theater industry that confuses you standing in line to get into a theater for which you have a specific ticket we have not heard that before that But it is so true we all know we all are going to the space we paid for and so when i was a kid i very luckily fortunately grew up in the tristate area And so when i would go to a show as a kid you just sort of stood side and said hello all of a sudden the doors open. We all very politely with great composure. Founder way into the theater and found our seat and somewhere that stopped and we all had to line up to go to a place. We all knew we were going. We're going to use the restroom. Some people are going to get a drink. Some people are going to wait outside to meet their friends or have that last smoke. Some people are gonna go right inside and read the playboy cover to cover. We all have various things. We wanna do before that event starts. So why do you have to line up for it. What are three adjectives that describe your ideal working environment. Collaborative audacious unexpected. What is one job in the theater industry that you would trade jobs with for one week a writer. What's a show that you've already directed that you would like to direct again whether it be Something that you You know there's maybe there's an opportunity that you think you might have missed reflecting back or you think it's just relevant again. I have to There was an artistic director of regional theatre in new york for a while the hangar theatre which is still a beautiful and very compelling place to work. And i had commissioned new play there. That wasn't ready in the time that was allotted and i owe that time to that writer. I carry that with me right now as well and so i would like to reopen examined that play. The other one is into the woods. I think I left with as many beautiful complex hard questions as a person as a male as a father as a theater artist that i want to ask more in that environment. What is one hobby that you have outside of the theater industry running and our final question which we have been saying is more of a difficult question to answer is. What is the last great piece of theater that you saw. It would have to be the production of twelve angry men at ford's theatre. It was progressively relevant urgent and engaging it really I couldn't believe how i could that. I was being pulled in and made uncomfortable and still engaged through the entire peace and it just spoke to the writing the direction the casting it was just a profoundly compelling piece of theater being uncomfortable mean that can release sometimes separate the enjoyment fascinating jackley exactly married. And that's what that's that's really. I such profound respect for the entire creative team on that as well as the company. Because i really was very where i am so uneasy right now and a us. I loved the experience. I've had many of those recently. With like films that i've watched in those are some of the most compelling ones because you ask yourself so many questions that i hopefully was intended from the whoever is producing or directing acting that exactly. I've enjoyed this conversation so much. It was really fascinating. And i can't wait to see your production of working Now how can our listeners. Find you odd. I don't know if you have any social media that you wanna plug or any upcoming projects you know. I am one of the few people not on social media but I am in the midst of directing on a production treasury. Beck's bad dates for the george street. Playhouse which is putting their entire season online. So i am directing it but we are filming it as well and it should be out Mid to late february and I can share with you all to labor of love. I am directing and my wife. Andrea bernstein is playing the one role in the show so we are getting to how worked together which also creates its own bubble but we met working together so it's always a pleasure getting back to the hersal with each other. So that's we're in right now as well as finishing working which like. i said. we'll hopefully be out there in the spring so look for that as well. Amazing thank you so much for coming on the show equally really enjoyed the conversation. So thank you both. 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41 - Mo Brady, Theatre Advocate

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41 - Mo Brady, Theatre Advocate

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It covers everything from food. Wine fashion travel and much much more but all from a theater lovers specific point of view again. Jerus- save your free copy of the monthly. Please visit e. n. dot fm slash encore at epsn fm slash e. n. c. o. r. e. Happy holidays everyone. Everyone welcome to page to stage a conversation with theater. Makers we're your hosts. That's brian and that's mary. Join us focused. The spotlight back on the theater maker to uncover their process. We speak with folks in the industry. That often aren't heard from such a stage. Managers producers crew members marketing professionals. Everything in between we hope you enjoyed this episode. Hi my name is bo brady. I m a theater advocate. And i advocate through a few different ways. One is my primary job. Which is the communications team at broadway cares equity fights aids. I'm also the co creator and executive producer of the ensemble list which is a podcast social platform and a website. I think that's kind of all. I think it's everything. I don't know i'm probably forgetting things i as mary knows. I have a lot of side. Hustles will also any anything to make a buck especially in twenty twenty x twenty twenty. Oh my god you're actually our first release for two thousand and twenty one which is pretty cool so we're wiping clean and starting fresh with it feels good to be here. It feels good to be here. Twenty twenty one doesn't it s a little bit of weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I feel a lot of emotions. Okay so i just have to say this feels like a very full circle moment for me at least because i remember two things one. I remember listening to your podcasts. Mo like in the earlier days and thinking how innovative it was that just to have a podcast. But then also to have. Podcasts focused on broadway and theater and things that i loved and still love but then also i remember i feel it was like a year ago but it probably was like ten years ago when i met you at a coffee shop to talk about podcast and just things and just we had just launched or we were a few months into page to stage and just how like welcoming you learn how excited you were and you said earlier that you were an advocate of the area that is so true and so it feels crazy that we're sitting here talking with the right now because i just. I don't know you've just been such a supporter of our podcast. So i just wanna thank you before we get into our deep deep deep conversations. Yeah i second. I'm not a sh- your guys are such good podcasters. You know i sell it's i. I truly believe that. A rising tide lifts all boats and so as one of the first podcasters in the theater. Space i really try to make a point to welcome people to make them feel confident. That what they're doing is worth their time and an exciting way to share their voice and their creativity. I think that's really important and then on top of that. I really like your podcast. I will advocate for many theater podcasts. But the cream really rises at the top. And i think page two sages there. So congratulations on your fantastic work. Oh we're so excited to be able to talk to you about you know. Of course your podcasts. And many other things that you have in your life day. We talked about that. You mentioned a little earlier. But i'm wondering since your podcast is called the ensembles. I'm wondering if you can begin by telling our listeners. What the word on somboon means to you. And maybe how that word has shifted since the beginning of your career or time in the theater and to how you see it now especially in twenty twenty some balls that group of people that work together who are see each other's talents in skills and value each other's Abilities both individually and as a cohesive unit. I think the way that people think about ensemble often is a course right. We think about the people who aren't the leads aren't the principle they are the ensemble but really an ensemble is a group of people working together and so it doesn't have to be just singing and dancing in the back to be an ensemble. In my opinion come from away is one of the most fantastic ensemble shows that. We've seen on broadway in decades not. That doesn't have an ensemble you know. So it's really about people working together to tell a story and everyone being used at the height of their ability and being seen and appreciated for their contribution. So do you think bent over the years. Dating back to the earliest broadway shows. Do you think that the ensemble the appreciation that against the general populations appreciation of the ensemble is. Do you think that has changed whether that is people. Understand what the role is more than that. The appreciate them more as individuals end artists. Or do you feel that. It still has like a lot of room to grow option. B i i i think it has grown But i think it really depends on the creators and how they want to use their own song. But we still see fantastic uses of ensemble. And what i think are really middling uses of ensemble where they aren't being used to their fullest ability to tell a story so i think it it hasn't really followed the trajectory of the growth of the american musical theater in a really clean way. The other thing is that so many of our greatest musicals have no ensemble especially when we're thinking about the financial viability of commercial theatre. Production shows get smaller and smaller and smaller. So you think about. Hamilton was the feeder darling of two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen. It has an ensemble that ensemble is well featured. They're very much a part of the storytelling. But then you think about the next three musicals that won the tony award for best musical. It is driven hanson. It is the band's visit and he these town which either have small ensembles are. No on sambas so i wouldn't say that. The trajectory of how on samba user appreciated is really in line with how the musical theater has developed. And i don't necessarily think that those artists are more seen or heard or valued for their contributions as well. I think that sometimes we know of specific performers. but that's often because of their social media presence you know they're the fact that they are creating unique content outside of the stage is they're performing on and we know them for that or they're cute boys and people follow them because they're cute boys but like the the but the idea that as an industry we are elevating non principal performers to the same level of respect as our leading characters. I think is just not true. So you started out. In the ensemble of broadway shows at what point in your career did you start the ensemble list and was it by some specific. What was like that sort of You know jumping off point that got you to start this platform for advocacy for ensembles. I was in the ensemble of the addams family on broadway in all of two thousand eleven new year's day to new year's eve and i really loved seeing how talented on samba members were and this was a time. This was the infancy of instagram. This was really before people had their own social media platforms and so it really was dependent on the kind of old school theatrical press online. You know the websites. The playbill's in the broadway dot com the broadway worlds to Given insight to what it meant to be a feeder artist in so i wanted to find a way to celebrate and champion. Those artists that i was working with that i thought were so talented and were really finding ways to be successful in this industry in so i didn't end up starting the podcast until about a year and a half later two thousand thirteen but it was definitely inspired by my appreciation. My love for these tomba performers and really feeling like the work that they did and the dedication they showed the amount of talent the amount of skill they have just wasn't really being understood pie. Feeder lovers appreciate ours and since then you have garrone the on sambas platform like tenfold. I been you have a newsletter. You have obviously the podcast. But it's you know have a blog. You do a crazy photo series where you incorporate. New york photographers take photos in new york with the an samba lists of shows the patriot group. Now i mean you do a lot with it. And so when did realize that the ensemble this was a global platform in a way that could provide more value. More content offer a deeper appreciation and become a a huge advocate for an samba. Sambas on broadway but also across the globe. And if i might add to that from like a business standpoint went. Did you ever see like a shift in what you were doing. And kind of like an aha moment for this is a business in a way ya the. The shift really was inspired by the parting of me and our co-creator nico graph aronie. She and i started the podcast in two thousand thirteen and she left. I want to say at the end of two thousand and seventeen and so when we worked on it together. It really was the first five years and we really were focused. Podcast episodes win. She decided to hang up her bowler hat as it were. It was an opportunity to reassess how much time and effort i wanted to put into the ensembles and really wear. I thought it was of the most value and so we stopped podcasting for about a year. We would do. Maybe an episode every one month or three months but the the bacchus was really on hold for most of two thousand eighteen and i decided that point to double down on the blog. Just seeing that there was there were more stories to be told than what we could craft in our original form of the podcast. And when i let myself go from this version of the podcast is the only way that we tell stories as the ensemble list. It really just opened up other doors and made me realize that sometimes a story is really good for a blog. And sometimes it's really good as a podcast and sometimes it's just needs to be a photo online or an info graphic on an instagram page or some combination of those things and so by sort of abandoning the podcast. At one point it really allowed us to figure out the best ways to tell different stories. And that's where we've found. What i think is six. Is that when somebody comes to us with a story idea or there's something going on in the community that i would like to amplify that we can say all right. This is really a good story for these different outlets because it'll land the best there. It wasn't super intentional. When you left in two thousand eighteen there were a couple of things that happened. I think i was really getting off more on the advocacy for our community side of it a little bit more than the. Let me teach theater. Lovers watt attend hundred. Twelve is so the more that we were finding stories of the underdog or certainly ways to to shine a light on what on samba members. Do but be more of an advocate for them rather than just simply amplify for them. I think we grew in the communities esteem for us to tell their stories. Yeah it seems like a lot of people put a lot of trust in you and the brand to kind of carry that sort of advocacy work for them. Yeah it's it's. It's a real gift because people answer my texts or the answering emails or they reach out to me. You know one of the things we've done through. The pandemic is every three months. We put together an info. Graphic of where theater are living like where new york centric theater artists are living. I was just seeing on social so much. People not living in new york or packing up moving vans. and where are people really going or is this just instagram. Algorithm people in moving vans. And so you know the last version. We did the nine month version. I think had two hundred and fifty six responses and that that was that was me. Sending a text with google form to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of broadway performers and two hundred and fifty. Six of them responded to my text. Message like that's that's that that is a trust that's value and then the other side the the the scary side of that is that people really do. I think people in our community really do to us. You know. I had a big learning experience in december Where i posted some memes on our instagram account. That were a little inflammatory They were definitely based in conversations. That i've seen have happened in the theater community and truce like any memes it distills it to its truest point one of those were. This year's tony awards are joke. And i had a lot of pushback on that you know broadway actress who i respect very much text me and say hey. I think that you wrote that was really shitty and it caused me to reframe what i meant which was not that. This year's tony award nominees are a joke. But the fact that the tony awards haven't really seemed to get it together in a way to properly celebrate these artists with any sort of ceremony and that it in my opinion is a joke and disappointing. But as memes are want to do it wasn't there wasn't a lot of nuance in them. But the fact that these broadway artist texted me slid into my dams like. I really like you but what i think you did here was really shitty. That meant a lot to me because it it meant that they value how we project into the world and that what the ensemble has to say is important so it was a mistake on part but it. It made me feel good that they cared about what i have to say. Well i think it's it's probably a testament to this community that you've built. I mean obviously the broadway community has existed for a while. But i think that this very specific niche community community that you've created with your platform i think really drives a lot of those conversations and so i think that's testament to you and the work that you've been doing Yeah i was. I was curious. I was going to ask you about the those. Those three means that you posted not too long ago. So i'm glad you brought it up. I'm assuming there wasn't too much like pondering. It was very much because the i don't even know what it was called the generator thing that made those names that week. Whatever that was za`z generator from netflix's the prompt the other thing i'm sad about is i. I like the problem. I love the broadway. Show the problem. I really appreciate and admire the film version of the prom. And so i didn't mean to. I didn't mean to insinuate in any way that i don't like the film. It was a moment where i realized power that i didn't end so well i was just going to what i was gonna say was obviously shifting slightly by not to lately. This year has just been like insane and completely bananas. But the way that you've navigated the platform during this time i would say is admirable because i know as content creators ourselves brian. I i've definitely had a few conversations over this year just being like. Where do we stand with everything that's happening like. How do we continue having this conversations because there is one question that we always ask at the end of these episodes at just has been feeling more and more depressing as the farther we get away from march twelfth. And so like the last thing. You saw that the question stand mary he knows yes. Yes of course to stage stamp. It does certainly listening last year episodes. You've qualified that question as well so it makes sense. But you're you're you're talking about the pivot in time. I guess i just feel lucky. That the inner drive inside me. That feels like i'm never good enough and can never sit still is one that also inspires me to create because i just never have felt in the last nine months ten months that there wasn't a story to tell we were twice a week. Podcast at the beginning of two thousand and twenty and then in march and april. We were seven day week. Podcast because there were just so many stories to tell in that i guess is sort of being the gift of advocating for the artist instead of the art. You know like we were interested in how artists are navigating. Miss time just like we are always interested in how artists are navigating their careers. This is just a different part of their careers. And in fact it's more interesting than going on as an understudy without enough rehearsal. Or you know like having your first costume fitting for an iconic show that you soft as a kid in it brings all of these memories flooding back to you know. Those are the kind of stories we might have shared last year this year. The stories are really about how artists have negotiated this pandemic The places they've found success and the challenges that they faced and so. There's just been a a plethora of stories to tell in my opinion And and you have to say. I don't do it alone. Before the pandemic there was a team of four of us who worked on the tom list and throughout the pandemic in part. Because i think that that trust that you mentioned Many many performers have reached out to me and said. I need to do something creative. Can you help me. And i always say yes because i mean talked about street cred if the ensembles can have true on homeless working for it then it really is sharing the stories of the tom. Not my view of the stories. Which i think is the danger right like i have. I haven't performed in almost a decade. I have an appreciation in a memory of what it means to be abroad ensemble member but i don't. I'm not doing it right. So the fact that we've had air know bono and michael fateh. And francesca grenell and kirsten anderson and christine shepherd. And bahia hiba all and we'll blow them all create podcasts. Or edit our website with us this year just means that the true experiences of the broadway ensemble member really is getting out there through our platform. And that's something. I'm super proud of. I'm glad that you brought up. All of the different seasons in series that you guys have on the ensemble list because that was one of the things that i was so intrigued about your podcast when i first discovered it and like the way that you guys break down the seasons on the platform that you'd like like apple podcast right so for anybody that for anybody. That doesn't listen to the samba list. I go do that. But you'll notice that all the seasons are broken down into series that you guys create and you guys come up with some pretty genius series. That i i really enjoy listening to. But which is your favorite. I want i want know. Okay the tony telecast. One was my favorite definitely a good. We're coming back to it. It's so cool. Because i mean you. Guys do provide awesome historical context for a lot of the content that you guys produce this specifically dials into the historical content that i'm interested in because i'm one of those people that loves musical theater but like loves the you know the stuff that was ally for but to hear you guys do look deep dive and talk about the things that brought us to where we are. Today is so interesting and fascinating. I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about the producing side of you. The on samba lists and all those series. How do you balance all those different podcast content in addition to all the other elements of your brand. I know you just said you. Don't do it alone. So i don't i don't do it alone. So a lot of it is about working with other artists to figure out the stories that they wanna to tell and how often they want to tell them one thing. I'm very cautious of someone. Who like aaron albano. Who has co produced. The tony telecasts series with me is how much does he want to work for free right because none of us get paid. So it's like okay. You wanna create something with me but do you wanna create something every month or do you wanna create what aaron does. What just twice a week. Which is a lot so a lot of it is sort of navigating what exactly each producer wants to do in terms of how much time they spend on a project. I do try to do a little bit of this miniseries will come out on tuesdays. This miniseries will come out on wednesdays but really hope what people do is the the trust the brand the ensemble list and they may not listen to every episode because the title or the. The guest doesn't necessarily intrigued them in the same way. But what we're trying to do is provide what i think is a balance of entertainment that is based in theater and the real issues that artists are dealing with right now. So like the tony telecaster. We come to it from an industry perspective. But also it's it's it's light entertainment. We've done we've done Recaps of smash we've done recaps of fossey verdon. Those are not necessarily those. Aren't about the artist community right now. Other than than when we shout out members of the artists community. But it's it's more dislike a lighter. Look at our serious that you guys produced. You know i've really enjoyed taking these deeper. Dives we did one. This fall called the line which was based on idea they'd had for for years which was the similarities in stage pictures in some of the most important and esteemed musicals in american musical theater right so you think about the line. The line is what i call. The line is the actors all standing on the edge of the stage directly addressing an audience. There is no differentiation. Between principal and chorus it is just everyone in the show. And they're all standing there and they're all individuals are all being seen in their all connecting with us in the house and this is a. This is a moment that we see in renton in seasons of love. This is a moment that we see in hamilton. In the opening number and so i wanted to see if there was like a connective tissue in the artists that created those stage pictures and so i spoke to some of the creators of hamilton and rent and also soft power which uses it and also a chorus line which obviously has aligned to talk about to ask them about how they saw the line functioning in as a storytelling device and if they thought there was a connection between those productions can in their energy and what i was fascinated to find out is the michael gripe when he put the line in seasons of love he said this is my ode to a chorus line. You know so. I i sort of back channeled it thirty years later but i was like. Oh that's so cool and so to see kind of like here from artists who created these great ensemble moments on stage. These a conic moments right musical theater is about like big singing and dancing and yet when you think about some of the most the production photos that are shared from these like well loved pulitzer prize winning tony award best musicals. It's just people standing in lines like it's not. It's not ziegfield showgirls or falling chandeliers or helicopters. It's just a line of people and so it. It was sort of a fascinating discovery and a very different kind of experience than like this podcasts. Were doing right now. Or many the podcast. That we on the thomas which is like i turn on the mike. I asked questions the answer. The questions then i add it down and i put it on the internet sort of like a journey. We've another miniseries that's debut in right now that's all about the addams family Because i recently found out that the addams family the musical has been the most popular musical in north america for four of the last five years and the way that i experienced that show from the inside is that it was a broadway pariah. It was a flop but it was not a well loved show so i wanted to figure out how that happened. You know. it's something like an idea that's been the back of my mind for years and years. How did this thing that. I just saw people sort of not their nose that become the most popular musical in north america for half of a decade and so i've sat down with writer. Rick ellis. I've sat down with our associates who staged the show in multiple productions. You know and also around the world and really kinda got into the nitty gritty of like. What like what happened And that that's been super fun And a little scary to like writer. Rick ellison the face and be like your show wasn't very good was it like how did you fix it. But but but he all of the guests so far been really transparent and it's been been enough time that people really look back at that experience i think fondly versus when i was in that show. I mean it's dark show because it's about the addams family but it was it was it was dark. It was a torque space. It wasn't a very happy theater to walk into for for a lot of people. Because i think the on. Thomas has a specific point of view which is to celebrate the ensemble experience. We can come at it through a lot of different doors. Sometimes talking about tony. Awards telecast and sometimes doing a deep dive into how the addams family went from a musical. Nobody liked to musical. Everybody likes no. i think. That's so fascinating though. Because now i'm like wondering like does this Has this happened. Could you say this could happen with other shows. And now i'm going to be knocking my brain for the rest of the night being like what other shows could this happen. I mean i think we're experiencing it with the prom you know. The problem was not a flop. But it didn't recoup it was nominated for best musical tony but it was the of those five nominees. It was the least nominated musical of that season in the fact that it turned into a movie with meryl streep within like a year is nuts. That's a show like like that's a show didn't necessarily like on when you looked at the the industry the season that wasn't the show that was being celebrated and yet it through a confluence of events. Some of which i've heard about on this podcast has turned into is having the last laugh right now. Literally i mean literally right now. There's no musicals. He's on the tony and it's and we're going to be so excited to see it back in the theater when seniors open again but in this moment where we're starved for musical theater performances like the prom one you know. What's the problem hamilton. Who would have thought a year ago while we were just talking about the addams family in utah. You being performer in the broadway company. I just wanted to sidebar for a second and ask you if you reflect back and say like. Do you miss anything about being a performer. My go-to answer is no And i'm trying to kind of parson. See if i feel any more nuance about the no. I guess and then like a better way for me to like kind of asked the question i guess would be. You know. I guess a lot of people have scrapie on linear trajectories in the business and i guess you know people. I think that transition out of acting a lot of times wanna still have one is still feel that sort of fulfilment through some other part of the business because they're hanging up the towel and acting and i'm wondering it sounds like you feel very fulfilled in what you're doing. Do you think that you were chasing that as an alternative to acting completely. The the vans almost came out of this desire to be an advocate but also I needed a creative outlet. And i wanted to feel like i had a voice and those are two things that i for. Many years got to do as a performer When you self produce though you you get to be in charge of whether you're creative you get to be in charge of what your voice says. And so there's a lot of a lot better about bake creating your own pursuits rather than putting that in the hands of others especially in industry. That is there. It's so competitive. And there's not a lot of opportunities to work particularly at the level that i wanted to work at. You know i think back. I'm a you see this in the list i love. I love history a love traditions. I love community. There's so much about being in a show that checks all those boxes. You know like when. I think about what i miss about performing like miss the call board i missed like signing in i miss tables or the the sort of camaraderie of artists coming together. The feeling of controlled fear. You know you're putting yourself out there in a very vulnerable way but in a way that you feel confident that will also be appreciated by the end of the night and so like there. There are parts about being a performer. That i wouldn't say. I miss. But that i still appreciate. But there's like no part of me that wants to audition for shows or like you know sort of also disrupt my life or work at nights or work sixty weeks or or be constantly afraid that my job is going to go away like it. There's just so many other parts of the being a performer. That i don't miss an certainly don't miss enough to want to try to pursue that as a career. I mean talk to me in twenty years when they live in some regional city. And i'm like the old character man in author musicals. And i'll be like oh. I'm so happy but at this point i'm much more interested in like being a part of our industry at its highest level and having a creative way to tell stories and be part of that community you know i i look back at my ensemble experience in the family. There were fifteen of us in that company in the chorus at any given time and there were some replacements multiple replacements. You think about thirty probably thirty people a decade later you know. Many of them have gone onto successful broadway careers many of them. That was their last broadway show. But i don't think there's anyone else in that on samba. That has such a creative voice in our community. Is i do. Which is what i wanted in the first place and so in in that way even know is my only broadway show and didn't get to do it again Or didn't try to do it again. I one they want it you know. I didn't get to tell the world that it wasn't a fluke. I aiding a you know. I didn't get the other the next one so i could be like. It wasn't a fluke. I'm actually good enough to me on broadway. But here we are a decade later and i get to have a creative voice and i still feel like a part of this community in a way that i don't think would have happened if i would have pursued performing in maybe dropped off like many of my other former colleagues did yeah. Oh but we haven't told me was not show is ever in not by a long shot. It was not. I felt fulfilled as an artist creatively valued more in my wheelhouse in many many other shows more than i experienced in on broadway and so like yes it was. It was the show. I've done the longest. And it was the show i've done on in it. Sort of the highest form of our industry but wasn't the best time i had. I think i think that's very valuable though because for anyone out there your listeners. Like it's good to broadway is not doesn't need to be like the end game or like you get to broadway. New flake fulfilled these boxes. I i wish. I wish but also like you're never going to believe it until you see for yourself right. Yeah like how many people have told me or told your listeners. That like broadway is not the end. All be all being a performer. And you're like that's fine. But i still want it. I mean i think. I think what you have to do is evaluate evaluate. Why you want it. When i was really actively pursuing getting cast in a broadway show it wasn't about the artistry is being in the right place in iran. In the right time. I looked around at the landscape of broadway shows and i was like okay. These are the five. I can probably get in. Let me work on. The either skills or the material i know is in the auditions with coaches. And let me get myself primed for these five spots so that win. And if i get called in i am hundred percent mytalk game. That was not about me being the most well rounded artist or being the most fulfilled artists. I was trying to refine myself to be the right shape. Peg for the whole they had created And because it was such a singular goal. I think that was part of the reason why. I was prepared for it when the opportunity came. But the you know you you don't look at a decades long human life and think that you wanna live it as chasing after singular dreams are not necessarily fulfilling other than in this. Check your box kind of way. And that's what i wanted. I wanted to be on broadway. And i really worked to make that happen so i wouldn't tell anybody who was in that position themselves. It's not worth it or don't but if your goal is to be a fulfiled artist who creates characters. Maybe there are other venues for you to do that. That just wasn't my goal. At that point in my career my goal was to check the box of being broadway. And i got it and you got it. But certainly like you said brian. You get to that point and you're like what snacks do i want to check the box of another one or do i wanna do something. Where i feel more creatively valued or do. I want to find a different way to be creative. That i'm not looking at grosses every week wondering if my job is go away. Yeah and i think it's such an important part of the covering the process. So i love for our listeners to be able to hear that that sort of a Take on things. Obviously as we've closed out at this point when our episode has released right now we have closed out twenty twenty. We have said goodbye. And we're entering twenty one. I'm curious maoist. What your most hopeful for in terms of our industry in this new year as we look to reopening broadway to hopefully be a better industry on all cylinders firing. What are you looking forward to the most. It's a couple of things I think the fact that our industry doesn't have any sort of guiding organization that governs all parties has shown why that would be valuable at this time. We've had in my opinion a severe lack of leadership as an industry. Because it is all of these unions really fighting for themselves you know what's the actors the producers. It's the theater owners. Certainly were looking to the broadway league. I feel like that is who we used to look to guidance for but for individual artists. There's been none. The broadway league is really excited about the state. Save our stages act. But the saver act helps producers in theater owners so good for jim jefferson. Good for the schubert's but it's not helping the artists on the ground. We really could use stronger leadership in our industry. And i i hope that we demand that and i hope that we can rally around who those leaders prove themselves to be the other. The other thing is related. That is the the racial reckoning that we began in may and june in my opinion is really been put on the backburner. I think a lot of us in the theater community a lot of people in the industry which finger to different things. The community in the industry Have said oh. It is important for us to value by compact voices and yet. Where's the stomach change. We've got all these great organizations kind of doing the work. From the bottom up you know broadway. Coalition black theatre united broadway for racial justice like there is great work happening on the ground and yet mike why there's still no reason for the peop- the old white men in power to give up their power In so it's not a clean answer it. Just i would really love to see our industry make itself more and i think that we've been made aware how inequitable it is both because of the racial reckoning and because of the pandemic but i don't see any path towards change in so i would love to be led down that path. Yes yeah. I've been watching the the we see you white american theater and how they have been continuously calling out the league for staying silent. You know they've it. It's disappointing. I think they're very much focused on the customer And the sort of How thing gets sold that something. The league is always been very good at but it's not it's not an artist advocacy organization and yet because there is no artist advocacy organization. We look to them for it right and so the fact that they've got all you know we've we've got we've got all these task forces. Well what are they doing or. Why aren't they reporting what they're doing the doing something i sure as hell don't know about it And or there or maybe. They're doing something that i do know about. But it hasn't been clear that they're the ones doing it in. You know the tony awards like in the end. The tony morrison matter. It's just a it's just a party but yet we had a contract. They were the ones that were going to create the the biggest most important celebration of our industry and they have failed up that look. I'm not. I'm not the president of you. Know i'm i don't work at the american theatre. I only get the broadway league. I don't actually know the troubles that they're going through but man it from outside. It's very disappointing. The lack of leadership in our industry. Well i it also has me wondering if it's like a lack of communication because if they were to like to give us updates on where they're at and maybe why they're not moving as quote unquote quickly as we're thinking that they would be moving. You know when they said when they made the announcement about the tonys this year they had said you know by mid december right or early december like why not give daily and then i mean just giving like the maintenance said anything is anything we forgot. Or they've got bigger fish to fry ably so right like do we need a tony's more than we need our industry to open back up no but then let see the work. That's being done to open industry back up and to help the industry in the meantime maybe they would say this this day save our stages act which is part of the nine hundred billion. That is hopefully passing this week in stimulus is to help our industry and it certainly will help some people in our industry but i would love to see a clear delineation between how that help is gonna get jobs back and hopefully by the time is episode air. We will have some sort of knowledge on that one more. I have one more question before we head to the lightning round as we are sprawling. We're going all over the place. I love it so as a content creator and advocate. What's one thing that you know now that you wish that you knew when you first started your journey with the was back in two thousand thirteen i think we find the most success and land the most when we aren't not afraid to ruffle feathers and we spent a lot of our early years afraid to ruffle feathers And i truly think that's. That's one of our gifts is that we have very few fox to give and so just like allies spreads faster on the internet than a truth. Someone saying something controversial or not even controversial. I'm contrary to the the nice thing to say or the the party line that that bravery gets respected. I think by people. And so the more that we dig our heels into being advocates and saying things that are actor community is afraid to say because they don't wanna be uncast -able or difficult to work with the the more. I think people us as a vital part of the theatrical infrastructure And so. I wish i would have known that at the beginning that that was where i was really gonna find the sweet spot where where the resources would come to meet us. I think. And that's all that's such a That's an wide feeling. I think too. So that's why. I think a lot i think. That's why a lot of ensemble members and the people that you're advocating for are looking to you to actually put it out there in the world actually make those ruffle the feathers make those waves for them on their behalf again because of lack of leadership. Probably another thing is you know. I'm a middle aged white man. You know like. I take like a lot of the people that were advocating for are not male who are not white are not approaching forty and so like i. There is a gift in itself. Yeah it comes back to where his name before. Like i'm not hustling on the ground. And also i've had a few years of experience of get some perspective. That nisus about the kind of stances i wanna take. That may be people in their early twenties. Wouldn't feel as comfortable with fetch true. But i said it so there you go okay so lightning round. Yeah let's let's go kick us off. Oh my god okay. This is my favorite question on planet earth. And i feel you probably have answered this already in our conversation. But we'll see where it takes us. Okay what is one thing in the theater industry that confuses you why the bathroom lines are so long. One of your quo. There's gotta be a better way into bathrooms in the renovated when that eventually happens in marie. Yeah they're doubling the bathrooms. That's what i read that press. Release that they just put out. I think they're going to have to figure out something. There's gotta be a better way to go the bathroom. That's i guess. A human being it baffles me. A what are three adjectives. That describe your favorite working environment. Collaborative imaginative trustworthy. Is there something in your process that you find unique to you. I don't think this is unique. But i'm hundred percent of the philosophy that ninety percent correct faster is better than one hundred percent correct slower. That is just just my view of the world. And i think it is one of the attributes of the ensemble list and you of of my caption writing like we aren't with it. It's more important to tell the story at the time. It needs to be told to make sure all the teaser crossed in the dotted. What's that great quote. People won't remember what you say but they will remember how you made them feel. That's exactly it it's you know Especially in the age of social media and just how fast and how quick and second screen experience our culture consumption is. I just think it's better in the end to say it at the right time and Proofread it later. The edit button is your best friend. And i it is also like it is one of the things in terms of team members that i have collaborators that have really values people who don't have that theory. You know who the people who do make teaser crossed and you know periods are at the ends of sentences. Because i know that that's not something that is a part neatly part of my creative process. But i know is important so i guess Me yeah yeah just. I work fast. If you can go back in time and perform in any ensemble in any show which would it be. Gosh that is great question. I think it'd be rent. I think it would be rent in part. Because i i bet that feels like a really fulfilling show in terms of being a storyteller also just like the show. They meet the right time being a theater. Loving teenager Rent what is one hobby that you have outside of feeder really. I've always been a really passionate hiker. I think it's the pacific northwest in me. I just love hiking but this year. I've really gotten into running I've been. I'm running like five six seven miles every day even today in the dead of winter. So i'm i've been really passionate about that because it also gives me sort of time and space is an introvert I've a almost five year old son and so there's very little time for my brain to not be focused on him when i'm at home and so I the the time to run is been Something that has been really vital for me this last year. In in your mind. What's the most iconic ensemble or ensemble role in particular. I love the stuff. I just love it. I mean i think it's so ripe for bay i. It's hard to think that a chorus line wouldn't be you know. It is not only one most popular musicals of all time but is sort of based around this idea of ensemble You know without the concept of ensemble is baked into that show So i think it's of course line and the last question. What is the last great piece of theater that you saw can i. Can i veer. Sure i was thinking about this. I was i was listening to podcast Which i don't know if you've heard of the podcasts are like really great And now a podcast in. They're talking about their favorite performances of twenty twenty. And i went. And i i sort of looked into what that question meant for me and it was like visceral experience where like saw something that made me feel something and so i don't know if this actually answers your question. Do you remember on november seventh in the hours after it was announced that pine one in germany remember seeing on kamala harris instagram. This like three second video where kamala gets a call from joe and she says you did it. You're going to be the president of the united states. I mean it has been seen by millions of people. I mean it was so visceral. I mean the relief. I think there was such a sense of relief. Like stop crying all day and i it was it was. I was so relieved right and to see like people on the street and the clapping. See the videos from new york city or other places for people just like just felt like they could put their shoulders down for the first time in a while in somehow. That video of kamala harris like congratulating. Joe biden just like hit me. I was like that it. It's more content than feeder because it's on social media. But i don't think i'll ever forget that video re watched that video more times than i could count like in not even just that day. I kept going back to it and there was something about the way. Her voice is like cracked a little bit when she said it was so raw and again like. I totally hear you on like the release. The tension released just like a left my body for a minute. I mean i think it did. What with theater dozen. It's best form. It's sort of like makes us empathize with the storyteller. It makes us feel something. We've gone on a journey with this person. Right you know baked into that is also that kamala harris is going to be the first female vice president the first person of color as vice president. It's it's mind blowing in so many beautiful ways In it it just like it. Just can't describe how it made me feel and feeders. I think does its best when it affects us some ways. We can't describe you guys think that that's really the first time that they spoke since hearing the election results you think that was like a great theater beater for social media right. That's what i'm i'm like. You know like you know that kind of lake at conspiracy theorist in me thinks like everything's this show but like maybe it was a show like that particular. I hope it wasn't because it was really beautiful. Like you guys just said hey if it was a show. It made us feel something. Theater lovers as leader creators. Like good on that and now we're talking about it. We're talking about that performance months later and how it affected us like isn't now agreed. Theater is like when we think about the we'd love talking about the the shows that affected us right. There's a show. It was three seconds long and it was on our phone and we didn't experience it together and yet we can have a shared moment of appreciation inhumanity talking about that performance. Will i'm looking forward to so many more performances by those actors in the next four years ago this one way to end the first episode of twenty twenty one before you go. Can you tell everybody where they can find you. All that kind of stuff and what. Your website is for the psalm list. Oh yeah we're at the ensembles dot com. You can find us. They're also on instagram And you can download episodes of the psalm. Blessed on spotify or apple podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcasts. If people want to know a little bit more about me my family and i have an influence her instagram account. Which is a whole other thing. I can count ever. Okay call it is very cute. It's called papa and mimi make three And we share our experiences as a family there. So that's the non podcast. I and as always everything will be in the description notes so you can go check it out encourage you to check it out. Thank you so much. Mo- this just wore my. What's let's let's just do it every week every week. Definitely another won't use plus you create so much content. We didn't even talk about broadway cares at all and your work with part to it's coming guys. People don't need to hear people are tired of hearing voice. They have plenty of opportunities to do that. Thanks everyone for listening to this episode of page to stage to keep up with us you can find on instagram and facebook. Page to stage podcast. And if you're enjoying these conversations we would really appreciate it if you can take a couple minutes to rate and review us wherever you're listening to this podcast until next time. That's brian that's mary. We'll see you later bye. Hey this is mo- brady. And they just want to say for listening to broadway podcast network if you enjoyed this episode. 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Awards Season Recap with Production Designer James Pearse Connelly

Decorating Pages

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Awards Season Recap with Production Designer James Pearse Connelly

"Decorating pages is a podcast dedicated to taking behind the scenes of designs of your favorite TV shows and films each episode. I'll be sharing design stories. From some of Hollywood's most famous sets interviews from set decorators production designers directors and actors about creating the look of tedium film about their design. Inspirations and stories take sets from page to screen welcomed the decorating pages. I'm your host Kim. One up in this episode. I'm recapping the award season talking with production designer James Pierce Connolly at Adt awards. I did see production designer anti-buchanan and Patrick Topless those interviews you can catch on prior episodes. I'm so mad. I ran into any at the elevators and forgot to get a picture with her but I did snag when with Patrick Swell. Put that on. This show's episode blog posts. You can check it out among others from the night. It was really fun. We got to the red carpet since we were nominated and definitely tried to work the room for some other podcasts interviews so I got some of you out there to promise and you know who you are. I'm holding you to it. Unfortunately the good place in that win. We were pretty bummed because I believe it's the last time that we are eligible for the art directors. Guild Award. I think it definitely would have been a great send off for this. Show are finale aired that same week and we were definitely kind of a high. Thanks to everyone who liked and re tweeted on my tweets. During the finale it was really fun to interact and show some of the behind the scenes pictures sets and the graphics people really get a kick out of that and I'm always so happy to share especially Graham read. Cliff's work he's really unsung hero. Check out my personal twitter for that at Kim. One up I can go a little bit into losing twice to Russian doll but I think you'll hear enough of that on this episode James and I got to go through each category and we discussed the winners and who we liked and who we think should have won and we talked for like three hours. I did have to edit this a bit because we just kept talking to big TV nerds. We had a lot of fun and I have a whole other episode with him in apple that up in two weeks and we talk about his career and a crazy amount of shows. He does each year and the variety world of design right. Now he has shows airing like the mass singer. The voice making it nailed it. He took over project runway top chef his so many shows I did make him count and thankfully he can put his thoughts out For this show and we had a good time so I hope you enjoy a so. I liked that and I thought it was about drunk. I wasn't productions. So he wants approaches. I for Oscars yes. I can't remember. It was once in Hollywood. Yes yes yes yes yes yes. It's true I watched. So let's start with eighty g awards. Excellence in production design four period film. Okay the nominees were Ford versus Ferrari Irishman Joe Joe. Rabbit joker nineteen seventeen and once upon a time in Hollywood. I saw all of them but the joker was your favorite. I did not see nine hundred. Seventeen oh wow now because I keep waiting to see in the theater and I'm missing out. Didn't need to see it in the theater. I will tell you one thing that I thought about. The single shot. Beautiful beautiful loved. It loved the greatest movie ever. It was a little hypnotize ing. It was actually with one fluid movement. Did it kind of sort of do you? Sorta got in a a little bit in transit and it was a little slow. I believe that were you. Were like just give me a cut to wake me up? I Love Salmon is but oh of him. I love his work. I thought I thought nineteen seventeen was GONNA win and once upon a time in Hollywood one. I'm glad once upon a time in Hollywood one. I thought it was super deserving and really I actually I thought it was really great. I thought that movie variety of locations. I love that movie. I love the story that it was based on the multiple stores have great layer to it. The period was excellent. I sort of like I love to watch the story and I like to watch the little details that they nailed him on the set. Yeah it was beautiful or like them at that ranch. Yeah that Charles Manson ranch. Yeah Yeah and then him in his house in the hills and then the cars and then driving down sunset everything was nailed so well that I thought actually thought while I was watching the show. Where did they find the research for? This is so good. Do you want to know where you tell me? A little bit of it is my. Pa Larne Baker was the research assistant for a cool. Nancy Hague the set decorator she does. That's like a whole new position in the world is researchers like we have one American crime straight right now. I was a researcher on Santa Claus. The movie and I was literally saying to go interview office researcher on on a marvel movie and I was like pause for a second with you. It's the best position ever. I would dive in that position right now so cool. I was aged twenty three twenty four and was drinking my way through being a researcher. At the Warner Brothers research got with DOWNEY STUDIOS GIVE A. Did you go to Warner Brothers to their research library and went to Disney? Imagineering with white gloves original. All of twenty four years old original Mary Blair paintings Sir and I was like what am I doing right now? That was an amazing experience. If only I could do that again. I was a PA on this show called American James and we had a ton of research done for the sixties of Philadelphia. And so I got to go to like the one research like we which was like in a basement and Burbank and like this one dude work there and he would come out with the white gloves and like all of you would call ahead. Tell them what you were looking for. He'd pull it off and then I would go through like a ton of Shit. Copy it bring it back the to the copy of for you you copy or I believe I copied it back then. You didn't have phones. So yeah they color copied it for me but I mean. Can you take photo photos of your phone and it was like? I would die to go two thousand four right exactly back in the day named anymore they get rid of it. It's so sad like where did that guy go? That was his job. Well it's a sad state of affairs in trouble and glad. I am glad that nine hundred seventeen kind of when because a war movie is a lot of work but we have a lot of movies. Wind production design. I'm glad that like the sixties fun I thought Joe Rabbit was great and I thought it was a little over designed. Faira say that the to war movies. Cancel each other out. Yeah it's possible I would say that. And then joker the design on that. I didn't see that self amid Nazi but it didn't I didn't realize it did. I mean that's good. No that's a compliment in itself but let's nip fantasy ad Astra. I saw that or due to poor Brad. Everybody that movie. I thought it was okay. Everybody got through it but it was so dumb year it was a little far fetched like the DAD is out. He didn't have to make that message up tune or uranus or something to make them. The Dad doesn't know his voice. Anyone could have made that. Come on James. I know it was like venture man and it was a lot of close ups and it was beautifully done and the sets. I thought beautifully done. There was a lot of money put into that movie and I honestly thought it was pretty impressive. What they did is base stations. I actually can and on the moon. What is the difference between via fax and Production Design? At what point are we like that was the effects movie? Well I'm GonNa tell you this when we get down to malefic okay. Talk to the production designer Aladdin NC and vendors. I watched on a plane. Sorry didn't see I kind of phased out of the avengers a little bit before the a the silver guy came down at the Cape and Altron that I was like I'm out. I'm good. I'm good. I know that was the one of their weakest films. But I didn't see more silver people with Dumbo. I can't do it right now. I can't do it when I was pregnant. I would listen to baby mine and even right now like if I listen to baby mine off. I can't imagine anyone being mean to your child about it like it's the most. That's pretty awful sad thing so I can't want stomach right now Melinda. I watched okay mostly because I interviewed the production Steiner Patrick Topless who was so generous to come on and I asked him about like so. Where did you? Where do you stop? Where does that begin? And he said it's very collaborative he said it's very much you're coming up with design and then it's it's a tremendous amount of research. Also because like in their world. They went to like origin sort of story and where she came from in its birds and how he research birds and then they came up with these nests. And that's all visual. Yeah so he's very met. I must be that the red carpet. He didn't do the first one which I thought fascinating. Yeah but similar work. We do know about him. No don't kill his first move two minutes with them and then I was like go. Get a drink later. His first movie I. It's I productions I may be was Independence Day. Oh Wow do you massive. That was the biggest movie of our day at the time. Like remember so because he was like creature public person and like all this stuff him and this other guy. I don't remember his name. Hired to do Independence Day because the aliens like spaceships and like all them integrated with like real sets we got into it and now he's just as like huge movies like one after another. It's incredible. Wow I had no idea. Wow that was such a massive movie. I remember like it hit. It was like the biggest thing August. Thank biggest movie. It was really cool movie. You Watch a kid though. When it was out in the nineties I saw two three times. I was so fast there. I so cool. Yeah and then. The last one in this fantasy category was star. Wars rising star Skywalker. I'm a fan girl me too. Same Love I'll star wars love star. Wars what did you think it's okay safe-space it's okay open up. We just talked about all the number one. I'm strangely attracted to Adam driver and I don't know why okay okay. I hated girls. I stopped watching it. I hate it but there's something about him. I think it's the voice for my okay. Okay so I get unlike that. He's this character. I liked. That casting appeals to a lot of people. This was to me too much movie and they had a lot of time to a lot but they were so much to wrap up and it was just one heavy be after the next heavy beat and it was it. Went Back to some of the prequels where it was like this space opera this like solve these insane layers dying and all this stuff often. It's here or there and you're like but wait my the kiss coming. I didn't I was kind of happy about that. I was like Oh cool. Look numb all over. I was Roy. Yeah you were just like yeah. I don't I'm disappointed. But mildly disappointed. Said that I never gonNA have a star. Wars Never GonNa have another stars when we have when we voted for the add awards. The movie hadn't even come out yet. They eat did you have screener. Well how does that work? I duNNo. I Dunno officially according to the rules. But I was like. Oh that's going to be great and I'm a huge fan check. Yeah that's how it got there. We didn't get a screener at the guild because it came at Christmas right right and we voted before. Yeah but the the the voting didn't end till like first week of January for for for feature films. Yes but by that time most members. Let's be on your nevertheless though. It was so much anticipation. Yeah and say no listen. I know the decorator. I have said to her. Gee Wall I am in awe of you. I don't Oh my God where you begin. Oh my God. Where do you even start? This is incredible like she. What was it to his May Brandenburg? Oh I love Rosemary Brandon. So how how many there. That's the only one. Well I am an awe of just taking on a project like that and if and when asked like what project you would ever want to do I would say star wars me too rather claritin Meno not this star wars the first right when you created something something like star wars where you created genre. You created a look of like futuristic but dirty like like Jeez well rose players that level though. She's done no no she is age bond. May I'm saying it's not. You're not reinventing anything at this point. No some research feels like you're continuing its legacy. I mean obviously you're creating stuff you're creating something new there. The audience is is is there? It was happening so fast. The audience probably wasn't paying attention to any. I asked one before this. When layer flew through space probably the red sand or whatever and then Luke Foley him those beautiful that was Gorgeous Beautiful. Stunning microbe one. By FAR IN MY OPINION. Selo thank you I to me at. I ranked them rogue one was number one empire. Franks back was number. Two so low was number. Three people say that was the worst movie that was rate. Why is it so that his name? This is the best thing we've ever met. Yuga freaking out. This is the best movie ever before is mandatory on. I haven't seen manorial go. I know I don't have Disney. Stop This podcast right now. Bausch this show it is so good. Now it's free phone now last year. Eleven ten eleven though so it's my subscription is free enough put it onto light and you get the entire Disney catalogue. I know and then I mean this is like our future. It's started yet. I know so. I'm a little surprised avengers one but maybe not. I really thought molested molested had a shot but I really thought star wars was GONNA get who designed offenders people. Charles would I don't know him? No Contemporary Filmed Beautiful Day in the neighborhood John Wick knives out parasite and us. I just saw knives out. I liked parasite Who WanNa get a front cares? I love parasite but I am a huge fan of lead director. When old boy came out like ten years ago which who didn't direct the. I got really into Korean films. O.`Neil Symphony for lady vengeance and symphony for Mister met like I was way into Korean films for like a year and a half so I've seen a lot of his work I have no other. I've seen all that. He does good work and his mother. Yes no not this. Not that mother okay. Creepy mother mother not white. Mother was Korean. I believe it was another. Maybe I'm wrong so I like that dude so I was happy to see that that bill is getting any sort of praise or anything and like the film. It's great it was great. I'm surprised that swept and did all this like history breaking I really liked once upon a time in Hollywood and like these are some pretty big legends and hop in Hollywood Quentin Tarantino Martin Scorsese. I'm so impressed with this little group. They could just destroy the only thing I said yesterday. Was You know what my prediction is? This is the last time. Royal Hollywood is in the room Merrill Brad. Scr Sese Deniro like like Elton John. Randy Newman Richard. Richardson like so many great in the room right now. And then you're like oh parasites like I don't know I think people want shit different different shit and that's what they're they were voting for. I loved it. It was really really good. I loved it. It was a thrill I didn't expect a lot of it. What it is authentic ick. Yes it was like a nice story. You know poor poor people they can have bad rap right like they just get rained on and flooded out and then they go crazy and stab people like. I just was like a story but it was great. It was great mother. Oh he wrote mother. That's what it was scary. Yeah that that's on Netflix. Snow Piercer. He did mother he did in the series right or the or the movie. The movie mother. But it's a Korean one so good if you've ever seen that shit it's good and my one of my all time. Favorites is symphony for lady. Vengeance with old boy the original ovoid. Not the Will Smith one okay. I loved it. It's deserving I'm proud of it yes I'm proud of what it's done to this community. I would have been okay with something else but to say that parasite one for an award for that house which was spectacular and Tokyo's apartments and then obviously the streets Going to the DJ awards Tau hosted. And he said I'll be honest. I have a bigger house than this to housekeepers. I'm like freaking out and it's true. It wasn't that big of a house like wasn't about amazing but it was still beautiful but does one set deserve an award. Do you know what I mean. It's hard that's a hard call when the Senate here's voted for did tell me what you think. When the set is a character decorators still vote in eighty fair? Enough Fair enough. I know they should character. And there are some when the when the set can like go through time like that and affect behavior like that then it gets a lot of attention. I can see why it was focal. Point Beautiful AIRBNB remember. They took it down. I think it doesn't exist anymore. Well I mean when they lose their backyard it was like that's toodle said Animated Film. I don't know how much I can come in and on the besides of tertiary for abominable frozen to how to train your dragon. The hidden world the lion king and Toy Story. Four twist word for it was well deserved. Yeah Yeah I I lo- was but had it. That is that really enemy razor edge here walking like via fax animation. We don't know what this don't forget. What's the difference you categorized it as animated film on this board? Okay I just host the red carpet. There are the movies. Excellence in production design for television. Here we go here. We go one hour period or fantasy. This is tough. I'M GONNA say the series of unfortunate events. I I love that show. I think the design of it is like Bill Welsh. I just can't believe it salon. I'm just going to talk to the general did for season's done and the feeling it's been on a movie and now it's a series of what is this thing it's like goes on forever. Every episode is so beautiful. I'm an all of it. The crown another one great can really in love with it. The Jewish this season loved it loved. This was this was better season than previous seasons. Just a Dot Stop and end. I'm sad for you season. Five the old lady but this one was really really good. It was very good. Game of thrones the man delorean and the Marvelous Mazel at BIC category. One because I was there and he wins a lot but does he win. A lot was a marvelous. Missile wins so he has one for other shows. Yes what does he want fire? That was before that it was I really thought. Game of thrones would win. They built a whole city sheep bill starbucks Cup now. No no can't over to me the only thing you would take it away from the production. Design of game of thrones that said for everyone who's lessening. How could I not mention that right now because you should have been a gentleman? I wasn't as close to asking it while we were on the red carpet and then I was like. Oh my God don. We're in suits this polite. Let's just move. But how? How is a production designer? Do you react to that. That's clearly not your job. We all know she can't she can't watch every angle every daily hunches. I'm not saying she's responsible. But how do you feel about? What's your reaction to that? That's the kind of sure I wanNA know. Have an invitation outward for the podcast asking. You have to get into it. I would. I really would because I would say. Would you ever heard of that guy again? And I'm sure she would say yes because I'm sure the to shrug off to the two billion scenes so that guy did on game of thrones. There was one actor that had a Coffee Cup. And you know how it is who should have been let go is an editor for not painting out exactly absolutely a man exactly but cushion. What does she feel like? Of course we always take the blame. We take the blame for everything. You embarrassed like I did all that work. And that's what you're going to talk about that episode of that. Hbo of the making of of like costumes and design. And the producing and Bernie caufield doing like production meetings and stuff like that is such a gigantic show. I can't even believe that they were able to coordinate to confidence and she's worked on it for many ginning. Many many many seasons pretty incredible so my is good friends with her. I hope I'm telling the story okay. She got hired and they said basically like we're taking a chance on you but we want we can do this. This is going to be great and obviously the impact and tremendous amount of design that she got to do and how successful at all is the center characters. So now I mean you're done game phones and I did ask her if she was going to be involved in the PREQUEL and I think Sunday. She said she couldn't say hot. Dish cancelled that listener. Something feel cancelled it. A truth be told. I didn't watch the last last episode. You watched the left epoch which was great wrapped it up real fast totally understood all the seven kingdoms got together and they thought this is the end and it was like wow. I didn't watch any of this now but it was great. Got All the best effects now all the story wrapped it wrapped up. I'm really disappointed in you. John just walked to the top of the stairs. Don't even talk about she died. You're not allowed to talk about it. I watched I watched it twice. I watched the whole series twice. We revved up. We were like Oh. Let's just watch the pilot again? See like before. This final season starts pilot and then so much happens in the pilot aggressive. A wait this is the second episode. And then we're like yeah Every night we'd be like yeah. We Watch this series again. It's come up you can get through stuff. Good Saturday or Sunday. You can whip through some much to episode for. The baby. Wakes up day on a win like that time of like like baby coma like yeah. I can focus on. I watched it all. We're both watching you drift. In and out of it it was fine. It's great make me WANNA have babies have babies watch game with what is his name from. Marvelous Mazel MS horned. Bill grew mill. Bill Groom Vulgar now. Listen I have watched a I didn't watch men oriented so there there's one but I love Miss Mazel and I am. All other sets spectacular. It's like you're just kind of game of thrones is GonNa take it because of the last season and the crown I think is just above and beyond really bill. Groom's body of work is boardwalk empire. He's nominated many times in one. Vinyl eat pray love with Ryan Murphy. The series there's a series. No the movie. The movie milk the movie slumming it on I know so. It's a big deal. Yeah he's won a lot of things. I Yeah I interviewed him. He's a nice guy. He's won a lot of stuff. Gradually one of the win. They do a really great job in that show. I think it's just passionate like what you really think is like a just thought. Game of thrones like it's era. I don't know I thought Laurean was innovative. I thought it was State of the art. I mean it was all sort of green screen. Motion Capture beautiful the hardest category regime. You have the crown to Laurean. To game of thrones like this is banning your spanning. The everyone in. There is a winter to be honest like. That's the cat like everyone. There's an series of fortunate events. I Love I love the wallpaper. I love the detail of like the pens. Like I just love that show. I just think it's so true. It is okay. Well let's go one hour contemporary single camera big little lies. The boys euphoria handmaid's tale an umbrella academy I saw big little lies in handmaid's tale I saw the Umbrella Academy HANDMAID'S TALE BIG LITTLE LIES. Of course what's the boys? Get older boys at that stage glasses now. Amazon. I saw that. What was the other one euphoria? Did I missed you for you? But everybody talks about it and how many times I don't watch it if you ever WanNa have kids. Teenagers Dancing drugs like big. Little lies is great and what they do to make. La Look like Northern California's Beautiful. They achieve it beautifully and big stars. It's a great story first season better. I mean the desire to is is what it is but I often on. The second story was the first season I thought with better. I really liked the voice. I thought that was really deserving. Going to be honest with you. I think Dave Blass worked really really hard and his work is posted on his instagram. But it's really well done. It's really well thought through. And it's like really fantastical. I thought he did a nice job with that. I was surprised he didn't win. Only seen previews of it. I haven't seen IT IN ONE UMBRELLA. Kademi MARK WORTHINGTON. Copy that and see that. So I can't really watch. It was good and they saw the previews releasing. Kinda was like a little bizarre Was well done. It was really well designed always as nice work. Yeah marks creative right. Television movie are limited series Black Mirror. Catch twenty two Chernobyl. Deadwood Fossey Verdon. I loved Fosse Verdon. Eileen I could watch right now it was so good. I'm so glad we watch. The same stuff was so depressing. Couldn't get through it. I had to struggle to get. It was just no I watched it all but it was so depressing. It so sad. It was so sad I couldn't believe it was such a tragedy. I couldn't believe it it was. It was so dramatically so heavens became a punchline in jokes while you were talking or you were like. Oh my God like Chernobyl throw brutal dead. I loved because I love deadwood and I was just so happy to see it all come together again so in all that it came together miss. The series missed on Black Mirror. I love Black Mirror me too. I think it's so innovative. I talked with any sham. Yup me too so cute cute and such a good episode and they only did this one. Yeah it's different teams must for every single episode. Which is kind of crazy I asked. What was the common denominator across the board? Like what links black mirrors brand together? And she just mentioned the writer and I was like the impressive but I want to know what is it. Listen they went all over the world scout for this they were GonNa do it and maybe in Cape Town and then they ended up in South America. Well Brazil think. Listen we're two bottles in? I'm lucky I'm remembering any of this right now. I think it was Brazil but Now she was super nice and so passionate freely sweet and so said to her Haberman today to our couldn't find her and then getting out of an elevator her agent. I know from like a producer and she was like. Oh this is Annie. This is Kim like met coming in and out of the elevator. Certainly gotTa talk to her for a minute and I didn't get a picture of pissed on one two novel tournament. Yeah well. Those incredible fosse burden was so good. Police Watch it. It's so good good. I talked to the set decorator. She was I mean she was making to me like she's like. I thought that they would have you know. Spaghetti in like tomato sauce. Nights will be put to me in the part like she was in deep marks. Yeah she was in deep with us and just amazing detail on the set. Those riveting show half hour single camera. Barry fleabag glow the good place in Russian doll okay. Let's get into this right now. Look look I haven't been able to edit this. No I thought Barry and fleabag where a big contender in this category. I was surprised by the. Yes yes we bag has been sweeping everything I do. I agree. I said to in Phillips at might production CIDER IN OUR DIRECTOR. Be Ready to lose to a bathroom door because you watch cinematography. Don't see that announcement. No no no. That was doing the EMMYS. This is six months later for good place when they announce it at the Emmys that the cinematography Russian doll one. I thought Oh we're not GONNA win for the eighty Geez. I thought we had a better shot. Because it's quirky it's different than everything else in the category and its last season. Yeah that's sorta plays in your favorite times but I was not surprised that Russian doll one really. No glow one one four. Yeah once or twice. Yeah they had a whole casino redesign the season. I think every season is different. Yom Period would do a great job. That's one thing that it's not divided up by period or fantasy your contemporary. It's half hour an hour and multi camp that's how the agencies are divided up simply with the yeah half hour an hour We don't we'll it's been bandied cam. You happy for Russian Doll He. No Ma'am I mean. This is one of the beauties of this podcast. I can imagine people want to listen for this commentary. I think everyone works really hard. And it's hard to lose and I talked about like you have hope up until the second. It's not your name. Oh honey I know you like so. That's it you have hope and there's something rationalizing in your brain. They really like. They like me. They really like me. You just feed. You'll that go for it. And then they don't say your name and your like mother like bathroom door and you go dark a little bit but you're going to work the next day anything. They've got to go to work the next day. I wanted Emmy. I didn't get a pay raise. It doesn't matter doesn't matter it it matters in my heart matters a lot of facets in my world but I went to work. The next day be nominated is very special and you. You do feel really lucky to be nominated but lost yet. The journey of being nominated is such that you go through such a roller coaster of praise and excitement and parties and highly free food and free booze and family is dresses makeup hair. Love Limos excitement so much so when you're on your twelfth time being nominated you're like it's okay. I'm excited Shea like that many nomination just honestly it's just so nice to be not an I'm here. This is like a really great date night for me and my man and there is that build up from everyone else that you feel as a wave during the event and then you're sitting there and your time is there you're ready they announce it and you don't get it and the person who does gets up to the stage you don't understand or hear anything. Larry Larry you're just crashing down for a minute. You're super happy for them. But at the same time you sort of because I want to just say what the fuck but I can't I can't and I'm smiling and your partner is squeezing your hand and you're fine and that's it you calm down for a minute and then you realize everyone else in the room is also lost. Yeah nobody in the winners. Don't come back to the table now for like an hour gone drinking their photos in the room then winners it's all actually could take over only. Lou Housing the room rally and just take. Those were flipped over to their table and just demanded another bottle of wine. It's actually. It's a really humbling experience. It is multi camera series. Big Bang Theory Vegas Baby Remember. I'm reading that. Sorry Multi Camera Series Big Bang theory cool kids family reunion. No Good Nick and will and grace. So this is multi Cam. So they're like in front of a studio audience. And I have a small issue with this category. Now we're because bottles of wine and they get their own categories. This is an filtered is at this point but not because I got really disappointed that the wine was gone for a second but at on the submission sheet. They said if we do not get more than fourteen entries. This category will be void. Oh my God and I thought moment should tell us something. This is a very weak category. But it ebbs and flows and we know that from the academy ten years ago twelve years ago that there was more multi came in. There was single camera before the Office. It Ebbs and flows this one. I don't know if it's ever going to go back. But it ebbs this inge just ebbs this is just Arab. It's just add. This one exists for certain reasons in this awards program so I said okay. Great some of my shows in variety event award special anything. That doesn't mean anything to anybody else. Category that we're going to read through next. I was like well. I'll just put a couple of mine in this category. Because they're multi camera right like Kelly. Clarkson show is multi camera show. It's also scripted. Right she she she interviews beechy like it's fine. They put in the criteria. You should submit. I they moved it over to variety. Whatever it is so there were probably what eight more submissions out of this this list. Listen Allie of each other one that has like fifty fifty to sixty. I know we know there's like eighty emissions in one crazy. But do you remember like maybe eight ten years ago at the EMMYS? They announced at the beginning of the creative emmys. Oh and by the way multicultural will not be given to neither were votes and the people were already there. They had already spent that money to go there. Everyone was like under the assumption. Someone could win so sad. Oh yeah people voting. We're not giving it out. That was Dick was awful. So don't do that to them. Everybody voted somebody's GonNa win. So what are you saying? Multi-cap should go in with variety. Yeah so then. If you're saying that then to do out of the five for wants to organize the five nominees then do you have to save at least one two spots for multi cam? I know that's what television academy does. However the art directors guild wants to govern. Sounds good to me however it seems like it's a misplaced category where other categories for are a little heavier because big bang. Theory has a hell of a big audience. So I don't know how you discount that as Jonah comes. Who THOUGH WELL ARE? We totally viewers so she. We total all the viewers versus them and other categories to so all. The single camera viewers versus. That doesn't know Kim now. You're not phasing them out. I just feel as if it's probably not as relevant as a you know what I'm GonNa say Damn it. It's probably not as relevant as a medium in television as some of these other ones are like single camera half hour or variety. Whatever it is like. Can we find another place for it? It's not going to die opera. Didn't die like but in the academy. There's a rule that if for half hour that one or two it should be two. We voted to but one is usually saved for multi. Give course yeah and don't think that I don't think about that. Of course it should be saved but like someone who's in single Cam. Oh well that's a spot given up but I still voted for because I still think that it's John that should be great knowledge. Yes yes I think it's. I'm not I'm not trying to kill all of yellow year. Multi Cam should go in with righty fine. Sounds good but that's GonNa give me a decision here without taking up space but then I think it has to have like at least one if not two and go to six go to six nominees. Sure it's forever. Variety is a disaster and find the five SA- stupid. I can't wait till we get to variety category. It's all over the face former web series music video commercial apple. Ariana Grande Day Madman Portable facebook and Taylor Swift. I was there. I read the category name. I never saw single one you gave this away gave away and when we were there and watch the clips. I was like I whispered in your ear Deirdre Edmonton's GonNa win and sure enough. Everybody voted for. We'd see reality or events. Special Drunk History Ninety Oscars Rent Senate live Taylor Swift Reputation Stadium tour. Okay look just I just want to take this back. Drunk history is not even. I just want to repeat the nominees junk Taylor swift read different category Taylor swift reputation tour. How is that? The the Oscars Rent Live live. Saturday live and then comedy central's trunk history. Yeah Trunk History One. I just think it's an odd category. 'cause you don't have the specific. Falotti thank you. It's an odd category concern in the academy. This is I guess. This is like a free for all a grab bag. Yeah it's actually. Disrespectful holes is completely different. It's born on disrespectful. In terms of Oscars will and grace had big bang theory. They deserve a nomination. Oh and then. There's these other people can. It's that's a hard category all right fine. So hats conclude with our AG awards for a second. You did a phenomenal job on the red carpet and feeling and I forget your chicks friend your phone when one of my dearest friends deirdre. Frio IS ELLA on New Amsterdam. She's my co host. Now Ella ever get sick. I am available. I'd be really big idea. I would love it. I think I think this was a really good year. Yeah I think well mostly great winners. This year's lifetime achievements were chuck. Laurie syd mead. Who is a visual futurist? Who has yeah every award there? Is this guy from Star Trek to aliens? Blade runner his his drawings concept. Drawings were amazing. Yes and has influenced. I think car design of today like super influential in the life that we lead today all Tim There were then like five or six other lifetime. Achievement awards to Joe Alvarez. Greg Nicol Tarot Jim fiar t Olsen Stephen Meyer. Berger Miles Burger Norm Newbury Jack Johnson and BA Welch well. That's that's just it and I had the pleasure of meeting a lot of them on the carpet and they all have such incredible stories. I mean I forget which way we click which one was telling me about how he created the Josh Shark. Yeah Yeah and how Steven Spielberg was rushing him. He Little Dude. He was five to speed stories. Best speech yeah and it's sort of needs to be its own show. Where like I'm just talking to you and home. It's sort of like. Hey if you care about this. We did our with them. Ad Hall of fame. Yeah Not AG awards. We ran out of the one bottle of wine you gave us at the table and now we're grumpy and our sitting through this. Well it's just. I thought this you're actually the achievement award. People were concise and did well. I actually thought that that moved along. Decently quick. Getting people to the stage is always a little bit cumbersome and then these like like speeches in between I think are needed. If you care enough about this guild awards just say we are so thankful you are here. We love that you voted. I hope you saw everything. Everyone deserves everything. Thank you took raiders by the stage. Yes they get certificates. We get her certificate. We don't get nomination. Yes do you get a trophy if you win? And I don't vote now. I think that's a huge mistake. Agreed and I think it's a mistake. You don't give one of the director you into the production designer somebody gets plaque. Though archies plaque you can get statistical never got it I think it's just a certificate. The doctor gets I think like like sixty percents. Wow but yeah well. They're expensive trophies. They are tough little guys to get up for you. Sit for me refinishing this up. Thank you so much for this. Recap of award season decent. She's Louisiana two bottles of wine with you. The amount of cheesy would have it like the entire holiday seasons wine and cheese and as soon as the baby's bed we can talk. All of December amount of cheese devour completely ignored all production emails. Not like you're going to read them. I think I think I got a limit these interviews to one bottle. I think I think that might be my next step in this next episode. We do talk about his design process for the different types of reality shows that he designs have got into this type of design. 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Jarett Wieselman- Social Media Manager at Netflix

REALITY OF REALITY

49:46 min | 1 year ago

Jarett Wieselman- Social Media Manager at Netflix

"Hello Hello this is reality of reality. I'm Elise Roseanne. A longtime TV producer and development executive every week on the podcast. I talked to interesting people in all aspects of unscripted content today on the podcast. Jarrett men after a childhood spent in front of the television or at a movie theater. Jarrett magically found a way to get paid to watch films and TV shows. He was first and entertainment journalists for outlets like buzzfeed in the New York. Post and now. He has the best job in the world. As the social media manager for Net flicks jared shares the cool tricks of the trade at his job which basically is watching promoting amazing content for Netflix. And we go on some deep dives including Tiger King and love is blind. Two of my favorites. We talked about the Netflix shows. We both love to watch and he recommends ones that you may not have seen but you should definitely check out. Okay so I am here with Jerry. Wasserman he is taking the time out of his quarantine schedule. And what a Corentin it's been. Has it been for you jared? It's been good you know I. I'm very lucky I you know I've been hidden in my home and so it has not really been too difficult. I haven't gone stir crazy yet but I'm sure that's in the offing any day. Now Yeah and actually hit me today. I'm at three weeks today tomorrow. I officially think I went insane this morning. Yeah I think we all have those moments but you know it's always a good reminder that we're all in it together and everyone is feeling as crazy as we are in those moments. Yes you are correct. And let's face it without net flicks. I don't know that any of us will be surviving while that is very kind very not true but we're happy to be a service to people when they need us. Yes somebody somebody tweeted. The other day I just finished net flicks like I got to the end of net flicks. I keep seeing that and I really want to be like really challenge extended because we have a lot of things that people. But it's it's very I would love to finish flicks. I feel like I have a lot to watch. My watchlist. Never stops growing so. I feel like if I watch Netflix. Every day until the rest of my life I would never finished net flicks. That's right exactly exactly. Well listen you know. The world has created the opportunity for us to theoretically finished. So we'll see how do yes. So we before we dig into it. What is going on on the inside like are you carrying on as normal with work? Like what's the talk about production that's going on now? You know obviously have tons of shows but you're also you know there's I mean there's no businesses normal right every. Everyone is adjusting and adapting at all times. I think that what we're really just trying to do is be as helpful to our members as possible and just continue to give them great shows in great films that they can watch whether their originals are licensed content and just really do our part to make this really really hard situation as easy for people as possible in whatever small way we can and we appreciate it. So how did you end up before we dig into the content? How did he seems like you have a dream job right? You lucky so how did you? How did you come to Netflix? Tell us a little bit about your background. Sure well. I wasn't entertainment journalist for thirteen years before coming to Netflix. I worked at places like in touch. Weekly The New York Post and my last job was at buzzfeed news And I just following the two thousand sixteen election you know I of got a little bit tired about writing about what you know. Madam Secretary Means in the Lens of trump's America white looking at looking at everything through the Lens of trump's America But you know as many millennials didn't really feel like I had a whole lot of discernible skills aside from the fact that I was really good at twitter and I watched a lot of television but it really turned out. That was exactly what Netflix was looking for. So I joined the team about two years ago and I'm on part of a team. We run all of the brands. Social Handles So anything that has the word net flicks in it in the United States coming from my team in addition to things like strong black lead and most all which she should follow because they're run by brilliant brilliant people and yes. I do that for about two years now. Running the nephew as twitter and facebook page and really getting in there and talking to our members every single day across all those platforms and you're doing scripted and unscripted where you're covering all of it scripted unscripted Films Television. All of it all of it. So how far in advance do you get to see everything before it drops? I mean it depends on the show where the film you know. Sometimes if it's an acquisition get it months ahead sometimes. It could be months ahead sometimes. It's a couple weeks before but you know one of the things that I really stick to and I did this as a journalist. Also you know my goal as a person on social regardless of whether it's through my personal account or through a brand account if my goal is to meet the audience where the conversation is. I actually can't be that far ahead of our consumers. I can't be watchings five months ahead of times because that won the title service. I won't remember what I thought that moment. So it's a bit of a combination of doing a lot of planning women a lot of reactive at the same time so typically. I don't really watch stuff more than two weeks beforehand. Just because we have such a volume of content coming in such a regular cadence of release every single week that I personally just need to stay as sync up with the audience as possible in order to be sort of in the same conversation with them at the same time that sense you tweeted something and I want to try to get some juice Saudi because it was rocked my world. It was not about Tiger King. It's about something that you're watching now. Unscripted documentary series. That exact quote but it's blowing. It will blow our minds. I think so. I think it's very very true. When is it coming out? It comes out this month. It comes out some might say April Seventeenth Is Tremendous it's fun it's escapist it's it's really just a fun on fun. Watch that if you watch my twitter account again around the week of April seventeenth. I promise you'll have mill will be no mistaking what I was talking. Hack it barely breathe. So here's the question so like you said you're going to be tweeting right around. The date that drops Netflix Netflix. Netflix strategy is different than like came up and traditional. Tv and cable TV war. They can't wait to get the announcement out a year before. And then the here's the trailer two months before. And then they keep teasing the chiller and then do the interviews with the stars. You know it's like by the time it drops you feel like big deal. You guys have a very different strategies. Talk a little bit about Netflix strategy. Will I mean you know there's really no quote Unquote Netflix Strategy? There's title Strategies Channel Strategies in his audience strategy. So what I can talk to you about it. Sort of just my perspective on it in terms of how I program what I do you know. This obviously isn't a company rule. But my feeling is you know consumers really like immediacy and they really want to talk about something. Once seen it and I think that traditionally by traditionally I mean ten years ago fifteen years ago there was two promotional opportunities. You had entertainment tonight and you had people magazine Right. That was it. Those are the only places you could promote anything. It was billboards magazine ads. Tv Ads the media landscape has changed so much under such a constant influx of stimulus from new shows dropping to new channels announcing two new streaming platforms. That you know I feel items obviously important runway for titles that people need to get in their vernacular when it's new. Ip or talent that they love but in general the people once you tell people something exists the bursting. You here is why I want to watch it right now. So my feeling is I like to reduce that window as much as possible. I like to be as sort of direct to consumers as I can end sort of in dealing with them and dealing with you know Followers and the audience members you know for years and years across a bunch of different companies. There's an immediacy that is craved and by doing a three month pre launch window just longer makes sense. No that's not the way the world works. That's not the way media works. That's not the way consumers think anymore and so I try to trunk eight that because I consider what I do specifically a post launch reactive job so I always say that my real job starts wants titles on net flicks and because of that we really leaning heavily to post launch to engage in a conversation into amplify in sort of feed the fire. And you guys do such a good job of it. I mean you're not just creating buzz worthy content but that conversation that goes on I mean what I after. I watch tiger king. I could not wait to get on twitter and search the Hashtag now folks tiebreaking because I wanted to see the memes. I wanted to see people's minds being blown loves flies. Same thing and it just. It's such a fun way to kind of extend the Party so to speak. You know like there's like the actual content and then the the social media content with go so well hand in hand. Is there a direct? Correlation between whatever's trending on twitter and instagram. And what people are watching. I mean I think I think yes and no I think what you're looking at is a subset of a very engaged user base and I think that you know not everybody who watches our content is on twitter or on Instagram No not everyone who watches title wants to talk about a title and conversely some people talk about things that they haven't actually watched and so I often find that it's a bunch of different metrics right. Are there certain things that are just so outsized in terms of popularity? There's you know that ever loving and you see the ground swell. I think you know Tiger kings a great example. Right now you just. It's so massive that you can't sort of say oh. This is just people jumping onto a trend. They have no idea about 'cause they're talking deep things about the show so I always found those a really important different things. I think viewership is one thing I think. Social Conversation is totally other thing and then I also think you have sort of that third bucket of staff which is just stuff that pierces the Zeitgeist that could be huge social but maybe isn't huge on viewership on any channel. But that's okay. I mean if you look at for example like affections that's a network that lives in dies by its pedigree not really by its ratings and so if you something like Facia Verdon which you know not a ton of people watch the people who watched it were evangelists of it and talked about it every single week and came back and back exactly. So that's incredibly valuable to their all valuable elements in the overall sort of brand identity of company. But one isn't sort of always correlated to the other in my experience interesting in. I Did. Raise my hand when you said that. Fosse Verdon fans are evangelists because in previously mentioned podcast. One of my favorite shows of last year just incredible. So let's talk about tiger kings so that also happens to be huge online but also happens to be according to net flicks the number one show trending net flix. Yeah I mean. And that's been a real nice sort of Occurred in that we'd be able to pull back with the addition of trending rose and sort of really giving people insight into whatever it is watching. You know that's been something that's been. I think really helpful book for discovery but also visibility in sort of pulling back at that layer of you know. I don't know what People Watch on Netflix. Kind of narrative exactly. I also think it's part of that. I don't WanNa be left out of the conversation. I know so. Many people who watched love is blind and tiger king just because they need to know what the hell was going on because everyone was talking about it absolutely. So let's talk about Tiger King. I when you saw that I guess a couple of weeks before it came out. Did you know Holy Shit? This is going to be at. Yeah I mean look we. We never assumed something is GonNa be a runaway hit. You know. I think we're always encouraged and excited when we see something that has just like a compelling story or an amazing narrative or an incredible production. You know there are certain things that excite people but you know tiger king very much like love is blind is one that everyone internally was just buzzing about you know and so it's always a great signal when people Internet the company are Super Super Buzzed about a show. It's a good sign that when we release it to the world they'll also feel and we did. There was a podcast. Obviously Joe Exotic puts him and few years ago. I didn't know if you had a chance to listen to that. And oh I mean it was so funny. Is You know now that I've sort of really like read everything about it and watch the series and everything. This was a massive massive story that I had never even heard about one time prior to the Docu series and now it makes me feel so stupid because I was like. There's a podcast I didn't listen to. There is an amazing article that I read in on. So I've gone back and done my diligence now just to know as a fan but this was brand new information to me. Yeah I will say I listened to the podcast a few years ago. I think I stopped midway. I don't think I listened to the whole thing. I think it was a very good podcast and the guy was great that reported however I think there's just certain things that works so much better with visuals and these documentaries were there from day one. I mean they didn't even think this was going to be the dock that they started out to make. Yeah and that's always my favorite story about a documentary right when they're like. We're just here to do this. Really cool thing about an animal farm and then you're like wait. What happening here you know like. That's the that's the beauty of documentary. Filmmaking in general is you have absolutely no control over the story. You're telling you know and I think if you look at people like you know more written Laura who did making a murderer you know. They worked on that for ten years before we even saw an episode. You know and that's really a story that shifted and changed over time and then we came back for a follow up series because the first series was so popular. And I think it's really the only genre that takes you as the filmmaker on as much of a ride as the consumer in the viewer. So true are there things I was just thinking about. How making a murderer change changed. Things I mean making murderer was the first real deep dive true crime. I don't remember maybe. The Jinx came before it was around. This sounds like making a murder cereal in the exact. Same here yeah. Did that opened up the floodgates for net flicks in terms of the deep dive into true crime. They serialized high premium. True Crime Series. I mean I don't I couldn't speak to that just because I'm not on the content team but what I will tell you. Is You know you could just tell the consumer appetite for that kind of storytelling was really you triggered by those three? Titles you know I think what I think. Whatever entertainment does is you look towards things that are popular and figure out how you do that for yourself and so I think you know whether it was cereal and completely changing the way podcast. True crime stories are told in how popular they are. You know the jinx and making a murderer and you know this staircase like the original crime docu series which Netflix acquire last year with additional episodes and even thirty for thirty doing the OJ. Simpson made in America. You know I think with those things really do is show all of us that history and historical dramas can be as captivating in compelling and addictive as things scripted comedies instructed dramas and it just because something is true doesn't make it you know boring That's so true and defines my whole career so I wouldn't have a job otherwise so in terms of tire kickbacks Tucker kings so are you kind of journalistic slash agnostic when it comes to. Do you need to be in your job like can I say like? Do you think Carol killed or has been like a you. Can you talk about things? The way I discovered you was talking about right. Love is blind which I urge. Everyone's list to its hilarious. And you Kinda came out with some stuff but I wonder how much you feel like you can get in there with us or if you sort of have to just be standing back a bit. Well I think I think there's two things that as a brand I think it's important to not at a toy allies your content. I think the brand are narrative is the narrative of the documentary right and the documentarian also did not say one way or the other how they felt about that belief that Joe House so I think it's important that there's alignment on brand that is in step with the content itself. Mia's myself jared. You know I think that you can't watch anything like this and not not have opinion. You can't watch tiger king. Think oh one way or the other end of character husband. You can't watch making a murderer. Not Think. Oh He's guilty or innocent. You can't watch staircase. Thank you push it on the stairs or didn't you know I think that's the fun. I think the important thing that I think keeps might team sort of on the pulse is finding the way to marry our personal sensibilities with our brand responsibilities. And I think that's where you get really interesting content because that's how you get a perspective without getting someone's bias. If that makes sense. Ooh Okay having said all that. Jared I'm asking. Jared now dig. Hera kill her husband's you know what's so funny is I don't know I really don't know I'm an remain unconvinced. I don't have any more additional insight that you guys have. I could just say that if I did kill my husband by putting him in Under or to a tiger or something like that the last thing I would do is talk about putting sardine oil on someone's shoes in order to make a tiger hit them on camera. You know if I did do that why would I then sort of give people a potential motive and means and opportunity to have merit such a car and I will say as myself. Not representing a brand. Just say your supervisor. Michael Peterson a hundred percent. Okay and I found that from Sundance Days. I was earlier and I'll tell you I don't know if you did but if you didn't Nbc had this amazing scripted series called trial and error. That's yards lift up it. I went so far under the radar but it was one of the most expert examinations of the true crime genre in a scripted. Way If you haven't watched it. I highly encourage you to go. Watch boasts the first season based on Michael Peterson. The second season is sort of more fantastical. Black widow start with Christian within the lead role. Both seasons are hilarious. But it's so so smart it so smart and what I love is that it is based on a staircase but they use other tropes from the jets and other things. It's so funny. Yeah it's really really good. When making a murderer came out and was super popular. I was talking to my aunt because we might to answer and I would love. Real housewives and my uncle was kind of like chirping in in the background. Like how can you watch making a murderer and watch real housewives and for some reason in my head it just occurred to me like I need to make a parody of so I made this video call real housewives and Manatee County. You can find you to a lot of heads. We had so much fun but we kind of used all of those. You know it's great. I think what's really interesting too is reality. Television in general is a real great equalizer. Because I think you always surprised by the people who watch unscripted who watch housewives who wants to ninety day fiancee who watched all of that kind of content but at the same time like you're still chronicling people's lives and they are in a sense the same thing. It's just a different way of presenting the same information. There's no difference between making murderer real housewives in the sense. You're chronically story it's just the characters you're following the way you present it changes the perception of it as to something quote unquote highbrow or something. Quote Unquote lowbrow. But you know we've followed. We've spent four years on the hazards of New Jersey following a court case that we know all the INS and outs of just the way. We know all the outs of the mental cases right exactly I do see the parallels. Yeah and that's the thing it's store it's good characters storytelling I mean. It just works so another big huge water cooler head. That's was just rocked. Everybody's world was was. Love is blind. And it's funny. Because I interviewed Kerry Wolfram kinetic a couple of weeks came out. I kind of downplayed it. Because it's just I don't know anything about it. I just heard nick and Vanessa care about them but anyway so I- Franken loved this series. I mean when I say that first episode when Cameron proposed to Lauren I watched it with my daughter because as I say mother of the year and we were underneath the covers cringing because we could not believe what we were saying and it just got better and better so when you saw that. Was that another one where you thought this is. What happened with? Love is blind is interesting because we actually got a sizzle before we got the episodes and I'm sure everyone who listens to this knows but just a sizzle sort of like a trailer. That's designed to tease the entire show. That's never external facings just internal and we got this five minutes is all that basically took you from pods to the realize to a little bit of you know. Mexico and the weddings and it was just sampling and we could not stop watching this teaser. We could not stop showing the sizzle tomorrow. Like Oh my God you have to commit like we must have watched that sizzle twenty five times showing it to someone else every time and to me. That's when you know something is legit in the fact that like a five minute. Sizzle was really getting that excited. We had a feeling you know. That was another instance where we felt like that show was going to be a big hit. But you know what's crazy about? I mean any programming you know scripted or unscripted is you really need people to attach themselves emotionally to the characters one way or the other and if you don't develop emotional connections you know you can still enjoy watching something but you know. I I really fell in love with Lauren and Cameron. Over the course of that series. You know I really strong feelings about Jessica and Barnett an amber and Geneina in Damian and all of these players that were so essential to the success of that show. You definitely need to have strong feelings either way and we didn't know if that would happen in the very beginning And it was really encouraging to see that they did. It was really nice to see how much everybody loves. Loren Cameron loves their Love Story. And really I think a lot of people beardley felt like they got hope from watching that. So it's just it's been really really cool. Are you allowed to give odds on how long you some of these couples will ask? I mean sure I mean listen I think I think Lauren and Cameron of the real tight link. That they're going to have a baby like any soulmates like they perfect rejoinder And you have to remember to that show was filmed a long time ago. These couples have now been married for over a year and what the story is there. I wish I knew to ask. I think it was just honestly like a slow post production process. You know there's so much to come through. I mean they filmed them. They filmed five couples over the course of months and months and months or a couple of months so they had to really figure that out. Back to the couple's so what do you give Amber Barnett? You know. It's so funny when I watched them on the show I was not that excited. I DIDN'T I. I didn't think they are. Their Romance was as deep as I do now because other than so funny. I'll tell you what actually kind of turn my head on. Them is the fact that they are both avid 'cause players and if you look on amber and Barnet's instagram's they are constantly going to 'cause conventions they're always dressing up in couples costumes like they're both huge nerds and I actually didn't come through on the show at all which is fine. I don't know how it would have come up to know each other. But now seeing them in their life and seeing how many things they have in common so many of the interests that they share. I actually think they're like in good shape too. That makes me happy. Yeah I put good odds onto nerds together that changes. I thought certain example. They had a different take on them. Totally I did too and so I think you know. And that's what's really interesting about the ability. We have to follow reality television show personalities after the show ends through social media. Is You really? Do Get to learn a different side of that you know. There's no reason we need to see them. As 'cause players in the context of love is blind for that to be interesting but in the aftermath in following them on their social media. It actually does deepen your belief in their relationship. By seeing how many things they actually have in common beyond that initial attraction and beyond that initial relationship and what about Janina. Milady me so much Jay for television I mean with her is a star. She is such a Star. In my opinion she's beautiful. She's really nice. She's obviously a little bit unhinged as all of our good celebrities. Are you know? I don't know because that's the one that has happened the most off camera you know. Obviously they found something in each other during the course of the show that they sort of got to really deepen off the show and so I don't know I mean I. I wouldn't nothing but the best for them. You know. I think what was interesting. Was they seem the most different as people but then they also for them to come back together and then be together again for a year. They obviously found something in their normal lives that they tapped into on the shell and just without the confines of the you have to get married. You have to get your family's on board like the pressures of being rather television. They were allowed their actual relationship to take shape in a way. That was very powerful clearly. And did we have any clarity on why she needed to tear off a piece of her dress and give it to him? I still don't get that. I think that was representative of the bow that he gave her when they propose tied around her wrist. So I think I think I think that was just a small lace metaphor. I'd love it. She was in her alternate telenovela. While all this was going on I know I mean she's such per- she's such a character obsessed. I will say this I feel like limited doses. Because everyone's like where's the spinoffs? Where's the Spin Offs? I don't need the spend I liked that. I only know them in this context. I don't really need to see hanging with the Hamiltons and the whole fresh new past. I want to go on a new adventure. I I liked check in every now and then there's learning camera. GonNa have a baby. I want to know about that. You know if people had life developments I want that but I don't need a constant series. That's for sure now. Everyone needs to just come down. I think it's just people love what they love and they don't want the ride to Everette Right which I get. I mean. Listen I have to say Jessica made the entire series for me. I don't think he would have been I mean. Just what was there no words but I had this weird. I don't know it's weird. Maybe it's just human but I had compassion for her at the reunion. Because I can't imagine watching yourself back and have an just the complete humiliation. She must have found. It must've been horrible. Yeah you know. I think it's hard I think it's I think i. I think there are people who are made to on reality television. I think there are people who are not major reality television and I think that sometimes someone who's not ready to see themselves goes on reality television and it's a very very harsh reality you know. I don't because here's the thing. I don't think Jessica's a bad person. I don't think she is some sort of insidious monster who lives to destroy the lives around her. I don't think it's that complicated right. I think she was someone who was put in a situation. And maybe sort of just got into deep and do not extricate herself from that and you saw what happened you know and I think that happens a lot with reality television specifically is you always see these people you know when the show ends. They don't know what to do with that version of famed that they now have. And then you get people like you know Adrina patronage and from the hills are these people kind of like continue to try to churn out that machine and it no longer exists for that and I think you know and I don't think Jessica's I think she's someone who really saw which saw what she saw the show didn't like it and is trying to sort of you know move past. I think it's a good point but I will argue that. Someone like her is exactly made for reality. Tv because said she's maybe not so might have a different take on that exhausted. I wish her well. I still continue. Believe there's no way she's thirty four but that's my seems like a fair bet. Okay all right so you drop some juicy gas says about the reunion because we as fans disappointed in the reunion. I mean Your House Fan. You know how it's done. So yes so it was it did. It did not live up to expectations. But there's a reason for that so for people who did not hear you explain it on. Bits US tell us why the reunion was not the level that it should have been. Well I mean I think. Are you referring to the situation or the seating? It was the lack of anything any drama. Really like to all the questions we wanted to know. We're not answered. Yeah I think I think the thing about love is blind is died. It was designed as an experiment in love and I think ever made the show saw the show. And I think that you know sitting there and talking to Jessica about giving wine to her dog for thirty minutes you know what what answer were you. GonNa get. That was really going to you. Know Goups At me I think what is important to the producers and the people made the reunion was catching up with our with our cat with our couples was was catching with our couples. And you know seeing how the Jessica felt about watching the show mark felt about watching the show and I think because you know Lincoln Vanessa very much believers in the experiment at its core. What was important to them was talking about that experience and less so you know about rehashing fights and so. I think that was probably a part of you know if people felt that way. That might have been why because the people steering the conversation where more interested in the love side than the hates right. And we we. As the housewives institute have been trained very differently we WANNA feed them mess for sure I just. I don't think that reunion in. That cost was ever going to be that. I understand the need. I'm the I'm the biggest housewives fan there. It's you know I I I. We watched seasons. I'm in the middle of rewatching New York season. Eight right now on the reason that after at assure and you know but I think this was not a group of people who wanted to get messy because the truth is there really only was two sources of conflict in the show right Carlton and diamond. Which really got into and Mark Ember and Jessica and I think Burnett and I think you know that sort of dynamic was really between Jessica. An amber they had the biggest issue because amber and Bamber Fella Jessica was to face to her and you know we got into it. I guess it's a matter of just how how much time to people want us to spend on the same subject right dad. I got an hour on just that embedded core habby for sure but from a from viewership perspective. What you would have seen was Jessica get progressively sadder and more is that you know it would have. I think taken a turn that you wouldn't actually wanted in yet. So I totally hear the feedback and we definitely you know. It's a good learning but at the same time I think the the show is not housewife by nature so the unions are not going to be by by nature. Okay fine also say that when it was originally it was sort of going to be more like an extra not like this. You know reunion right. So that did that affect you think the way it was produced? I don't think so because that all happened. After the fact I think that I think that it could have been maybe It could I think I think there's a chance at the reunion could have leaned more into the territory housewife in territory. That you're talking about but again I don't know that. I don't know that you know poking those bears would have resulted in the kind of Bethany screaming. Luanne fights that we kind of expect from these moments. You know those people are not those people like you have to remember if you go back and you look at the real housewives of Atlanta season reunion or the New Jersey season when reunion air very calm. They are very very very calm. Experiences the versions of housewives reunions that were talking about are now these women nine years in right so they've nine years of baggage also nine years of learning what the audience wants. But when you go back that I grow hostellers at Atlanta Reunion. They're sitting on disgusting couches and like not really talking to each other in. Its very slow the version of reunions that people have come to expect are the evolution of ten years of people doing this consistent true but I think on the other side of that it also gave me a really deep appreciation that I didn't have for Andy's new. Oh yes and I knew andy was talented. But I didn't realize how much how much talent takes to navigate this and be able to poke the bear in a way that's not nastier confrontation but really does dirt. Stir up the drama. It's like him. It's really yeah. It's a really really hard threat and again you know. He's had twenty to thirty chances to apple to get it right to you know and so I think with all practice. Comes perfection totally? Well we are certainly sake for season two of that show. It's GonNa be at this and now you know. It's corona proof. You're in a pod separate matter. I know but they have to. They have to be able to meet at some point. So we're going to have to wait. Okay I wanNA just mention a few other net flicks shows that. I've really enjoyed this year and curious kind of your are. I'm a fan of the original scripted as well. I love dead to me. I thought that was that was actually on my top ten of the year right. That was incredible. Always amazing it's Christina. Applegate is someone. I've loved forever. I loved her on friends Who I think she's such a star and I love. This show is a vehicle for her because she really does do so well in drama and so well and comedy and this Lens. It really really. Well Linda Cartolini's amazing and I love James Marsden and Bizet's writing a so so good. I love that show agree a hundred percent and I think it's Christina's best all. I think it's the one that's been the most suited to her as a person in a way right because she is a little bit of that. No bullshit I don't have time for this kind of you know pussyfooting around like she's very direct and very professional and also very very brilliant yet. Did you hear her interview with Terry? Gross ON FRESH AIR DIDN'T SO YEAH. I'll take a listen. It's just exactly what you're saying. She kind of like tears. You know. America's treasurer and Christina. I don't remember what she asked her. But Christina's this was not having it and and I do appreciate the boldness. Yeah and I think that also comes from you know. I think there are a certain collection of actors who have spent a true lifetime in this business right. And so I think when you've been in this business for as long as someone Christina has who's been looked in working since she was a baby but really professionally since matter children which is thirty years ago. You know. I think you lose like the patients for pedantic interviewer ease you know like what was your favorite part about this role. I don't know getting paid for. It was pretty great. You know what I mean like. I think there's sort of callous that gets built up to the repetitiveness. I think you see it. I think the problem comes in that younger actors who have not really earned the right to sort of have that kind of glibness but someone like Christina. I think she's earned the right to be exactly who? She is in live exactly how she does an. I love it. Yeah same. Are you a big crown fan? I am with the Asterisk that I love the actors more than I tend to love the show. I know but but I do love but I think it's an amazing undertaking. How'd you feel about changing up the whole cast for the last season? I feel like if if the alternatives were that or clairvoyant. Matt Smith in weird old age makeup that there were slowly progressing. I think that would have been infinitely more distracting. I kinda love the idea you know in a very monarchy esque analogy that there. Is this passing of the crown there. Is this passing of the guard kings and Queens Gateway to other kings and Queens and so it is kind of fitting to have other actors stepping into these roles and also frankly to have like Livia Coleman take over Clare oils such a cool experience the viewers to watch sort of their chew styles. Go Hand in hand in the building of the same woman I agree I think this cast was equally is incredible. I mean they're all just the top of the game I will say I think they could awaited one more season. She was only forty this past season and I thought they edged up. Maybe Queen always looked older than her age. But I the makeup would have been minimal age. Clarify up just to that so I feel like we could have gone one more season having said that these actors were unbelievable and didn't miss a beat and I felt as engaged in the story but I did feel like maybe it was a little premature on that sure. I hear that and I think it's hard too because I think people have such affection for Claire and Matt in those roles you know and just in love them so much So I get that too. It's a hard. It's a hard task to think about sort of taking on. But if anyone can do it you know the Great Olivia Colman. I was thrilled to have her can do no wrong. And I mean in Helena Bonham Carter. You know it's just. It was very cool. But you know Vanessa Kirby I just think they all have such bright futures. I mean those are three actors. You Know Vanessa. Olivia I mean Claire Follow anywhere I mean. I'll see anything seriously incredible. So what about grace and Franky? I've watched every season right. Every episode fell to me to me. Grace and Franky is the perfect combination of two actors who have a deep deep history in an incredible chemistry paired with just the pitch writing. Marta Kauffman team in their behalf. You know it's such a great story that no one has ever told before because God forbid Hollywood. Tell a story about women in their sixties seventies and eighties. So everything yet. Everything about it feels fresh everything about it feels knew everything about it feels original and yet it feels so familiar and comfortable that it's really when you someone like Marta. Kauffman who is one of the all time? Greatest Sitcom writers take tackling the subject matter with the team that she has you know. It's it's truly bliss I agree. It's it's wonderful and another jam is that I love another Netflix. Original jam is a typical. I just adore that show. Yeah that's I mean. That's a really incredible sort of group of actors in terms of storytelling. That the what they're tackling and how definitely they do it. You know not only just Sam but also is the Mike. Everyone's story line is so beautiful and fully realized. And you know really just emotional. There's such a motion matchup. Yes while also managing to be funny. What love about a typical is that it is atypical in the sense that I can't compare it to any other show right. There's nothing that really no. I couldn't think of any fire. Yeah I mean I think what's great about the family. Sitcom drama genre is really his a lot of ways you can take it if you focus on the interpersonal relationships right. If you actually build a show around you know a mother and sons dynamic and then the mother and daughters dynamic mother husbands denied dynamic bursts like Oh this family's poor now go right like if you actually build it in the true emotions that they have that to me feels like the place you can have a long range shot. I mean look for good or for bad. Modern family is a show built upon relationships right. It's a little more Commun- nature. It's a little more joke. Joke joke punchline. But that show succeeds because one smart smart writing and two. It really is about the ongoing relationships. Those family members have. That's what is built on. That's really why it's gone for six hundred seasons. Is there ever show that you have to watch for Work and get excited about? It tweeted that you're just not that into I don't look as from the from net flicks. I support all of our titles meaningfully as I can personally. I'll just say that you know. I don't tweet about things that I don't personally stand behind so I would never tweet about a show because I felt an obligation to from my personal cow. I would never suggest something that I don't suggest because the truth is you know. There's two things at play sort of with this sort of social media marketing world. You know one of the reasons that you know. I was a good fit for this job and I got hired because I had you know an established following on social proving that I know how to work in that space right so I had been doing a lot of my own personal twitter when I was a journalist so you have to build up credibility in. It's what you see. A cost political reporters and entertain reporters. I always said that none of us are really having true exclusives anymore. You know. There's really no such thing as an exclusive shared exclusives on news. And things like that. So what you're really doing is you're cultivating a following. That cares to hear the news from you specifically and if they trust you want to hear it from you in order for that to be true and so one of the ways I do that is. I think it's pretty clear that I don't promote things just because I work at Netflix. I'm always talking about Amazon shows in Hulu shows in effect shows. Hbo B. O. SHOWS IN AMC shows. If I love I love it. And that's one of our truly. That's one of our guiding principles at net flicks. You know first and foremost we are fans of entertainment wherever it lets you know so. There's been times when I've congratulated. I told everyone from netflix account to go watch killing eve because it's one of the most groundbreaking shows. I feel like we've had in a long time. And it got all the press and all these people wrote about it because the idea of one brand directing people to another brand is really unusual but that to me is a sign that in a week champion. Great entertainment no matter where it is because our goal is just entertaining. Our members and our members are entertained. Somewhere else that's awesome because we just want them to have that joyful experience and we know that they will continue to sort of come back because we're also delivering that kind of. Yeah I love that. So do you have any? Lastly three rectum deep dive recommendations that we may not know about that are not in the Zeitgeist. Okay well I mean some are some aren't so there's a there's a Spanish language drama called Alita. That I'm a huge proponent of I thought it was a late but elite say make says that's on. My list is one of my absolute favorite shows. I it's basically if how how to get away with murder took place in the world of gossip girl. It's brilliant ever. It is so attractive. I love that show with all of my heart. The third season just wrapped up. I actually think it was their best one yet. So how many seasons to three seasons? I've got it's going to be a long quarantine. Okay good what else for love that. Up Season four of Kim's convenience just premiered on Netflix. It's a Canadian show. It's about this Family that runs a convenience store. It's so funny. It's if you like ships creek you'll love Kim's convenience. I highly recommend that and then the other one I recommend is we. It's we've one season of it. It's an unscripted show called silent. Hollywood if I love it. I tried to get those guys on the podcast. Yeah Jason Dair Are Awesome Great Turn From Gabrielle Union from Toronto Henson from just a really really cool upcoming amazing stars and their dynamic as husbands. Who worked together is really great and I felt like it should've been a bigger deal and I kept trying to tell people to watch it. I deserve to queer eye big. How do they should have come out? My podcast big myths is their season two or na who knows you know I mean literally right now with everything that's going on in the world it's hard to say yes no. I really enjoyed it but I love them. I Love Them. Yeah. They're really they. I liked them a lot. Okay last question. You mentioned real house. Is New York Season Eight? What remind me what season that is. I've seen every so it's the season where Jules is there and Bethany and John during his fighting all the time and she does the look a little lit up right now. Yeah Yeah it was. It was that and that's also a please. Don't tell me it's about Tom. It's about Tom so it's truly iconic. It's one of the best I can grow going again. Has been such a joy. Reveling in their misery is such a joy to me at all times. I Agree John is some. I know as on his umbrella like in here. I don't know he hasn't been on in a minute. I'm recapping New York tomorrow with My fellow PODCAST Air Martin. I'm really excited so I know we're about to enter a a beautiful time for Bravo because we've got housewives of Beverly Hills housewives of New York hand the Tomac coming back I know. Are you a summer house? Sky To can't get into summer house. It's weird but I love Andropov. Well I used to love and hope I'm thinking I'm John. Think I'm jumping ship. This season has been terribly. Eh. I have to say I did not think I would be a summer house fan at all. It is so not my. I grew up in New York. I Hate I love the Hamptons Hate Hamptons. Hate the whole share. There cannot stand watching millennials. Be Stupid and get drunk. I hats off to the producers because I am addicted to that show and I have no idea why everyone says season to the one that hooks you and I think my mistake was starting with three. So maybe I'll have to look Brian. Whelan is from vulture. I am familiar with Brian. Yeah Okay So. Brian recommended. 'cause I just started with season four. He said well. You have to go back and watch three so. I spent my fifteen dollars at. I bought it on Amazon. And I'm about halfway through and I can say the great thing about summer houses. You can do six other things and still catch all the necessary storylines like I get emails done. I can do research and other things and I think it's like you still can go away and know exactly what's going on fully. That's the that's the beauty of it. Right exactly thank you Bravo Jerry. This has been so from. Where can people find you on social media and follow your handles etc for sure? I'M ON TWITTER AND INSTAGRAM. As jared says one. Rt's right which is a classic mistake. I noticed so listen. My parent's cursed me with the worst selling of a very sort of common name. I guess but they liked to be creative. Yeah I should have asked you this a million years ago. But where'd you grow up? I GREW UP IN JERSEY. You seem like an East Coast Guy. Oh Yeah for sure were injured can sense our own. North Jersey a tunnelled randolph which is right near Morristown. Yeah Okay my whole family aunts uncles or whatever all in the called Wells Oh nice. Oh super close very close. And lastly I should say I usually start with this that I need to thank my friend. Deanna Chang for introducing us. She was on bit session with you and the Gals and I love her dad. She's the best is such a great connector and just great supporter A great actor director Blah Blah Blah. She's the best. Yes thank you Dan. Thank you jarrod. I hope begins again anytime. Thank you bye.

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Vida Q&A - Tanya Saracho

The Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith

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Vida Q&A - Tanya Saracho

"Over the years. I've heard a lot of interesting takes about how to run a writer's room. But after interviewing hundreds of writers, I have never heard anyone talk about consulting a brouhaha a Mexican medium to come in and gauge all the tricky vibes of a writer's room until now. Howdy. I'm Jeff Goldsmith. And this is the and my agenda is simple. Each week. I plan to bring you in-depth insight into the creative process of storytelling. Folks, this was a fun one, because it was a blast to have creator show runner, Tanya Saracho to chat with me about season, two of her TV show Vida. Now if you haven't yet watched Vida on the stars network. I highly recommend that you do as always, we're spoiler free. For the first half we talk about tanya's career and creative habits. So even if you have not yet seen Vida, you'll still totally enjoy it. And then we go for spoilers about midway through the episode after I give a spoiler announcements, and we get into stuff from season one, and then, of course stuff from season to focusing on episode one of season two, and I gotta say, Tania was berry forthcoming about our. Process. And I absolutely loved that she brings a brouhaha into a writer's room and you're gonna love hearing your talk about it. So I know you'll dig this episode and speaking of things to dig. I hope you'll also check out the brand new issue issued thirty seven of backstory magazine. It's our ventures in game issue, which you could read at backstory dot net. That's right. You could read the entire magazine. They're on a desktop, laptop and also via our ipad app or on an Android via Google play. We've got nearly twelve thousand words between our spoiler filled indepth interviews with writers Markus, and mcfeely and directors the Russo brothers as we talk about avengers endgame, and even take an in-depth look back at ventures Infinity war, and it was really fun to be able to shine a light as to how this box office record breaking film was made. If you've never read us before you could test drive us by reading issue, one, it's a free issue at backstory dot net. And then I hope you'll consider subscribing, by the way, if you'd like to attend one of my screenings here in Los Angeles. It's generally free to do so and you. Could sign up at backstory dot net. Just click on the screenings tab, and you could sign up to get on our free invite list, which would allow you to bring a guest, but now without any further ado, let's jump right? Onto the stage the Los Angeles film school right after we watched season, two episode one, a Vida on stars, and I introduced creator show runner Tanya Saracho to tell us all about it. Good to see. There's plenty to talk about. You will start in a non spoiler section. I just kind of reflect you and your life as, as recieving. You're at the Los Angeles film school, which is gorgeous, by the way. This is a nice theater, and you're, you're, it was great to see Vida on the big screen, which I never had before because I've only seen on the small screen, I'm curious, did you go to school for any of this? Did you did you have any training and dramaturge e or theatrical writing theater? So I went to Boston University. I studied acting I studied play writing, but I sort of was, like, really into Shakespeare, really into the classics, then I got to Chicago whereas where I moved after Boston, and I never got to use it because they, they don't cast chubby let us and Shakespeare that much or anything else, especially when I got there, it was most of the roles were like I was saying lines like just mister Johnson. So they were like those roles and I was some bullshit. I have to do something. So I started in all at the theater company lunar there are no now and we wrote our own stuff, and I was twenty two I was a punk. I was like, f the establishment. I already said fuck, why am I. Why did this say? Yeah. I was fucked is how we're going to do something new, and it was a bunch of other early twenty something, let the women, and we just might create it really cool performance. And that's sort of where I developed my voice, I also ran the company for ten years in a way having so little money. And you know producing sixteen plays it trained me to be a show runner, but I didn't know it until I got to this feels very similar as when I was driving the girls, you know, and the van because we would perform a colleges and stuff. It was very like, I have such like romantic memories are, like rose-colored last memories of my life, as a starving artists in Chicago. I'm sure back, then I was like bitching about it, but. But now, it's like, oh, those were the good old days. The creative days less responsibility. No a ton of responsibility, but it was all hours like we were the top bosses, like I'll ten of us. Nobody could tell us. No. And I think that, that helped elect, because like there was no men to tell. No, there are no meant to tell us when we're in final gatekeepers, because we were creating something on your nose to tell us. No. You can't do a funny monologue about abortion, that kind of stuff, you know. So that, that was awesome. Then I sort of got plucked because these big theaters in Chicago, Steppenwolf Goodman, theatre, they, they gave me commissions because they notice that I was writing a lot of the, the, the place and they give you commissioned to write plays in perform them there, which is great. Yeah. And that was going to be the test. Like, am I a playwright like a proper playwright? And then I guess, I was because then I had to leave T L like death Luna because it was going really well as a playwright. But then that w-. S like meaningful, you know, it went on went up because, you know, you in the American theatre, especially in the regional theater you our guest, you come with your play you rehearse for three weeks. And then you go sometimes, you're even states attack, or you just say to the technical, and then and then you give it away, you know, I had such ownership and that they're Luna. I was doing the box office, I directed the stuff I washed, a lot of the toilets of the thing, I do the box office. It felt like we were in control. And then in this, you're like the writer, but just one clarification, you don't really give away the rights to your work. You just give away the control of the Lices them. Yeah. You licensed, the play, you're still the copyright holder though. Yeah. But just make sure people know yes. But like for that amount of time, there's a new director, that comes in, and then there's air cystic director, and there's a dramaturge everybody has say it, you know, people are not in recognition because they've been through it. But it's so it's, it's also great because I'm so. Speaking from privilege. Right. Because I got to do like Oregon Shakespeare festival. I got to have placed in New York thou was awesome because then it's so funny. It's about like it's like video game road, do like nomin this level. And then, so now because I had to play in New York. Some not tell the story, but I, I got this Email from this itself from this Ota guy from Tim from that. And I was like I wanted to take me to lunch. And in the theater, usually, take you coffee or tea, you know clarification, when she says she's talking about United talent agency did not know or you did not know I for about a week. I was like some there is some know. And finally, we have an. And, you know, we have the meeting, I guess, I don't say that to him. You know, but then I'm telling the story this guy wants to represent me and says, for me to come out to LA to take meetings. And some are you trying to say you ta? That's it. There's no periods. It's as you know, but like in Sakaba we didn't have I was in New York when this happened, but as we didn't have or Sakaba or whatever, or none of them, you know, so. But, but then he was like, just come take meetings. And as I hold on. I'm trained in the theater do I have to go back to school? Like I should probably, you know, if I'm going to try he'll go, no. You don't need to know. You're fine just take meetings, and I had told a story about my dad's mistress, and he was like an tell that story about your dad's mistress. White what and he reminded me that come up in your Utah meeting. I've no idea I was just so excited to eating a steak because he bought like he was I got I was like, I'm going to get a steak I'm gonna get why I'm going gonna get everything for lunch. You know, like so did he want you to pitch a show about the mistress? I think that's hilarious. I think he saw before my play. I did the plate, my yet was about my dad. Oh, oh. Because, you know. It's based on my dad's Mr. that he did go to marry like he technically his wife now. But I you know, to me, I still think whereas that so I, I sort of conceptualize the plan for him and told him the whole obviously, I've shady feelings about it, the whole thing, you know, and, and he's liked them, and every time he'd like book, a meeting he'd be like still for head to tell that story about your that's mistress. And then later on, we did sell sell it to HBO. So I think he okay. Okay. So he knew that there was something to it, but I didn't know because I was seriously. I did not understand what was happening. I did blue book, my first staffing job without understanding because. He didn't really like, like say we started it started jumping because I just want to clarify a few things. So HBO bought the remake rights to the play. Okay. They. Yeah. They bought the so they read the player. They saw the play well by then I'd been working on looking. They had been holding onto their like come pitches. My la. Okay. Right. Then we'd then I named my land just my God, nothing happened with it in a drawer. But, but it was my first piece of development and I learned a lot. I just want to go back for a second because I've had the honor of interviewing mattresses, who also weren't seeing the roles in the marketplace that were right for them, and they pick up a pin per se like really, they hit the typewriter sorry, typewriters, and all the term they go on their damn computer. And, and I think it's empowering to be able to write the narrative that you want to portray for yourself for, for the community. And I'm curious though were you acting in the place that you were writing as well. Okay. And so with death Luna. But, but right. I mean jumping ahead and then I'm going to jump back because I. I still want to start an keep it in this part of your career. But did you ever consider acting on Vida? Yes. And I wrote Jolie for me. Okay. That, that will not pathetic shortening us, and we'll get there is a lot. And then I was like, no, let's find someone. And then we found the funniest girl I'm like, okay, okay. And as I was curious knowing you're listening, looking, I H, B O, we're the ones that told me to put myself in looking, and that was so fun. And I was like, yeah, when I get my own show, I'll do it too. I don't know how those Showrunner right? Like, you know, Frankie Shaw and Lena done. I don't know how they do it. Like an I was there a little bit, you know, watching girls from the inside. And I don't know how they do it. Oh, wow. I love your ring Vader. Oh night, FAO Schwarz limited edition. Got Vegas many, many years ago. This is nice. Sorry, I got the chariots. I just lost it for a year and I was very stressed. And then, did you find this, where do you is under the bed? And I looked under the bed five times five times that had hadn't been clean. No, no, no. What was weird? Was it had wood floors? And we moved out and there was a dust bunny, and I was so bummed and the bed was gone. And I was looking over this empty room and I saw like to dust bunnies. I kicked one of them just dust kicked the other one this ring slid out of it, and I'm like, now, I did not have dust all over my floor, but somehow, the rings can collected all the dust in the room clearly, and that's where it was adding. But I was I was glad that I was kicking me to but right. But so wait a women getting your first gig. Yeah. One of the things that I always thought it was interesting. You've told us before, so I like, I know the story but I think it would be the right place to tell it again. Is that you were you're on one of your early shows as a writer and another person on the staff came up to you and said, oh, you must be the diversity higher. The first hour the first hour we're getting our offices and this is devious, maids, and. Seriously? I was just a deer in headlights. 'cause I, I didn't understand what was, you know, anything that was happening, and it happened so fast. And we were getting our offices and we're walking, and he turns around and goes, you do know you're the diversity higher. Right. And I go, what's that? Like a frigging pollyanna like I don't know. And he goes, oh, Honey in that stayed. I was like, wait, what that, that panels, and it wouldn't go away? So at lunch, I called my data I was like without they stint. But for the story will name him with what is it diverse of diverse the higher? And he was like, oh, I didn't wanna tell you so it wouldn't get in your head. Wait, hold on. What is it and my hired and my on probation. Like I didn't understand what did it mean. And he, he tried to like make it light. But by doing that he made it where it just like you. Oh, cost the show anything, you know, so. Oh, it was the worst extra plus the show, and he has the show doesn't have to pay for me, the studio because of this affirmative action program, pay for me. So that it's risk-free for the show to take this position that dust to your course you. I had never heard that part of the story. That's crazy. Yeah. He, he was like you don't show anything I that for months stayed with me, it was, like, so I have zero value to this. I mean that's just what I inner monologue. You know it. It was horrible. It was because every time I wanted to speak up, I don't know if I had the agency to do so, you know, like, do I can I say, and also because for a long time before, Gloria, learn Kelly came 'cause she was having a baby. And she came like six weeks or something after having a baby which is like boss, as goddess 'cause, you know, should have been resting. But I was the only person of color in there and, and the only let DNA in this a Latino predominant let the show. So, and I didn't know if I could only pitch, let the note things you know, like a, my only here for to be consultants and the diversity. I don't know. It was such a it was the whole time. I never figured I, we did get some feedback when I left the show that it was like she should have spoken up. More I it'd be coming up to on the first day and being a jerk wasn't the way to get. That was that was just one of the. Other writers. It was a boss or anything, you know, we became friends and. We had a lot of arguments later on that guy, I think, is just because he was steeped in just how things have been done a couple of months ago, we did sit down for breakfast. And like he was like, I keep hearing you in podcasts and panels and reading this thing. And I'm so sorry. Like he legit was, I'm so sorry for all of that. I like and so we squashed that let's good. Here's what I love the you being a writer and seeing the world through those eyes. It led to you not only internalizing it. But then getting out of your head with your play fade, which which to I don't therapies writings therapy. And so, I think fate is really cool plate has there ever been any talk of about adapting fade. Like for film again. Yeah. No, that was just surprised because Hollywood love self gazing. So because it said on TV show and it's about a writer who's in that same situation. I thought it was gonna even thought about it really just because it's so. So do it, it was to process that year. And then it became its own thing, you know, because as things should is started because I had never seen final draft in my life. I couldn't afford it as a poor playwright, you know, and also I, I wrote them word, because, yes, you can write theater and final draft. I'm sure you've learned that now I have I will never right? Only word really because his final draft has theater formatting. I don't. All right. Where'd you can control the spacing and the some of these places are really like they're like, poetry, remind mine, or whatever. But, you know, I I like that control. And no aren't mix them now. But, but then I did have to learn that also I'd never had seen an outline till that first week. So I was staying very late to learn how to do this. You know, eleven to midnight that and the only other people that I would see and the only people that look like me, we're the janitors you know. So I struck up a friendship with one of them because they would come at six which is around the time we would end sometimes, and I would stay all that time, like just crashing in the crash course and might be, you know, we, we struck up a friendship, so that inspired fade but it wasn't exactly like we didn't, you know, like fictionalized. Yeah. A few more things happen. What, what were some of the biggest lessons you learn? In writer's room on other people's shows that, that resonated with you. And then we're gonna get to Vida where we're some of the lessons learned working with Lena Dunham girls and just observing on how to get away with murder, and the other shows that was great to get to see women at the helm of that room. That was the only time because in murder Pete. No Okkas is the Showrunner. So, like I would only see shonda like in the hallways or something. But they're at the top where they had a table in the room and girls, and it was great to have those Jenny and Lena leading in that, that sorta gave me permission. You know because I had I had been in a lovely room looking, but I was the only female, you know, in that. So it was very like, okay so men rule. Okay. And then the theater because I come from this death row nothing and almost all my a lot of my doctors have been female. And, you know, I this was a very you know, I realized that was very mild. But I love that. On murderer out of nine writers six were of color. So all these things and then on looking everyone was queer we were all queers so little little by little, like just little experiences. Gave me the license to me. Like when I get there. I wasn't fully thinking, I'm going to have my own show fully. I just got near like, by the time I started developing with stars v. What will become Vida? I'd only been here, three years. So, like, I don't know, maybe some people let themselves dream of that. I didn't I was like I still figure out final draft. You know what I mean I'm still I still don't know how to do a dialogue like I know. The thing that the one thing, but like it took like years, you know, we'll put us in the room for, for win senior vice president of original programming Marta, Fernandez at at stars called you in you thought you were walking into just maybe be a writer on some other show, literally, I thought I was coming. I had just left murder but early the week before and. You know, there was one of these generals, I guess, the ones that the Dodd said go and talk about your except I changed my story because now I had this outlander story, which is so appropriate for stars because it's an outlander show. And I told them my outlander story, which is I went to Scotland because I was watching L ender love letters. It's pretty good. So good. I'm such a fan girl. And I went, because we won't get into when my father disowned me. I couldn't go home. So I was like, where will I go spend Christmas Scotland, I will go chase my, my own outlander, you know? So I booked myself a flight, and, and then I get there the first day and I eat all three meals, alone, and also, oh fuck shit two weeks of this. What did I do? And all my friends were saying we're like this is Christmas. Most have look like come to my house for Christmas. No, I must have this solo adventure by myself is Allah lender, admit because of a TV show is wrong with you. You don't understand the power out lender. What else I was like, I can't go home. You know. But in the second day I found who would become my partner for four years in a coffee shop, because I was lost. And I was and it was like a rump come, and we were living this come. So when I got to that meeting, I was like I have to tell you a story about outlander, how it changed my life. It's a great plan and have to tell the story of my dad's mistress, because I had this great stars connection, you know, and for like I went on for forty five minutes, I was like, look at the picture something I went to like, you know, like all the a lender sites. She I think she thought it was a little too much too. But I don't hear love it. I love it. And then, like, so the reason you're here, we have these. Properties. And I want to know if you're interested, I still thought at that time that it was like, we have this show this show, you want to get on the show as a writer. She talked to me about the days. I it was a an adaptation of a Mexican ROY which I'd seen with Santa Hayek. So I'm dating myself back in the day, and, and then there was something else. Oh, yeah. It was something about something. And I was like Cynthia zombies. I was on Sunday is very real to me. So I was like, and then she was like, and then we have this thing, por, Vida, peo-. You are poor Vida. Do have you heard about indication in actually hadn't it shows? Have you heard of chips? Tres, of course gonna hipsters and we have this great conversation. She, she says that a production company named named big beach. I guess that's sold them like the idea or something that were looking for a creator. I'd read this somewhere. It was also referred to as a short story was Previta short story. They had also. So the initial when I was in there, you know, and they sold the idea, there was an article. From the LA times. And then, so then they got someone to a world building document that the close the closest way to name. It is a short story, but it what it got it wasn't. But then so that stars could see. Oh, okay. A show bible that showed character arcs and stuff like that. More like what could be possible in this world of the east side of LA? Right. You know I it was so that they had that. So it was like, so people could understand the world. So then they, they found me, I was like, you know, we, we wanted to be female. We want it to be said an east on the east side of LA and millennial and to having to do a tipsters and had to fixation and I was like those five things. So I was like, okay I can do that. And so I went off to do that. There were like six other show. Those shows us she talked to me about the all had, you know, they've all found their creators, and there's about six of them. So again, felt like we were like put on them because there was like six and there was four that were to than lake Highland what, and it was us, and it was crazy, because I feel like the least, you know, a beginner like when we cast that we didn't have any like names. I mean they have names. But there were not known, you know, the, the I don't know like a lot of it. I'm still wondering how we got here? But, but I'm glad we did us about your process when you were writing, and I think this is a good time to talk about your habit is a writer when you sit down to write how important is outlining to your process. Well, I had to learn that people wanna read an outline. But if I could not outline I wouldn't because I my place. So I'll tell you how I write my place holistically. I do my little to hit. Yeah. I like prayed to the muse I let my candle. I put my incense. I played to a Hsun you know, I do all that stuff. And then it comes they speak. But you can't do that shit MTV you have to turn shit in, they wanna know arcs, and they want to, I don't know. Are I want them to speak to know? They want it all, like you. So I had to learn how to do that. So I didn't have to turn in everything that you have to turn them by whatever the format actually, the and the, the whole. Thing. And then you have to go in there and pitch it. I just wish it could just read the script, but they don't like for us. I hope they just let me do that. You know, 'cause I just want I didn't promise him an outline basically. So that's good. Yeah. So they'll just be like and Russ. I'm being like the same way. But this is a good place to just stop. So, so when you do an outline though, it's, it's a place where you're getting your first run a notes, and it's win. Sometimes there's fingerprinting by executives, sometimes the idea changes, I, I know that your experience with stars has been fantastic kind of has yet, but was there any crazy notes? Threw you off. No. And that's. I'm seriously doesn't that like company like you know it really because I bag until on the show that you got your vision on the screen because I think Martha Martha fed. And I'm this really protected me, you know, even if let's say that, because, you know, it was one person giving me notes, but a bunch of people had given her the notes. And then she was like, funneling them to me, whatever fight there was I never was privy to, you know, so, like what if they didn't like, but I don't think so because they were so about it. You know. In fact, there were like more, you know, more whatever you know I it really wasn't. And, and when I started with, you know, trying to staff my writer's room when I the first person, I staff was Carmen Kula. She's a casting director that, you know, that is amazing, but cost money because she's like awesome. You know, she's fantastic. And they were like, yes. And then, so I went Nala team riders from yes. And all teams directors. Yes, I do. And I maybe I'm being simplistic, but the man this in there, I think had a lot to do with it. I just just on your habit. Again. When you sit down to write how important is a page count versus a block of time as to how you pass your days. So, like, when I'm writing the pilot we'll so that one was. Hope I never have to write like that because I had two back surgeries. And I couldn't walk for almost out of that. So I wrote for that Gallow this with a two but my arm. Yeah, it was bad. I was spinal infection. I was dying, but like I lived so I'm fine. But spoiler alert. Spoiler. I lived. No. But that was that was really scary time. And they didn't know that much. Because we all our meetings for those six months, where on the phone, and the like they knew that I'd been, like, okay we heard you had some search. Yeah. Yeah. I was fine cut like I'm still with tubes in my house and stuff. It was really it was really scary. That's something that season two will you saw Eddie, we're going to see Eddie really convalesce because as part of the recovery Sparta, the because I took a lot to recover to just it was a lot of labor go to the get up to go to the bathroom. How do you in sit when you are broken like, you know, so I was like I want to. So through. See this therapy channel. That's good. Yeah. Had to like let it go. But that's the way. Yeah. And, and even onset, I'd be like, no, you would hold the cane like this, or whatever, you know, because I'm an expert on that. But yeah. So that one I broke that one is different 'cause like my friend, Mendel, rather who is now in my room. He's one of my writers known him since, like ninety two. I just dated myself in he came as I was like, laid up in bed and helped me break, my the pilot on the wall with post. It's as I was like lying like this. Okay. Yeah. And all like like. I was like all on all the meds. So it was like, you know, I bet I bet the first few cars were more psychedelic, because I was like, but no he really he, he really helped me. And then I was there for months writing. I bet it would have taken a lot less time. Maybe if I wasn't doing that, but that one that one was not built the same usually do. Give yourself a certain amount of time per day or a page count. No, I just go by if I have a deadline, I just I have to keep pushing through I do love getting up at three or four AM in that quiet time. We're like nothing. No one's going to bother your nose contexts you. Well, if you're dating someone in Scotland they might because all the time but. It's just that witching hour, you know that we're like all spirits. I mean a lot of writers like writing late at night because they're left alone. I like early in the morning. I knew her right close with three or four in the morning. Go to sleep. And then I wake up and reset. And so it's like a mind fuck, you know, you're like wake up, and you're like, okay, it's three. Am I? Whatever fake office. He's I can't really make coffee. But, you know, I try like I do all the things incense everything. And then it feels like by eight AM comes and you've written for a long time. And then you have a full day, then you have a sleeping problem. But it's, it's fine. To go back to sleep. Or does this mean you have to go to bed really early a lot of times, I have to go to the writer's room ten, so that's what I say. Eight am shower sleep this like ten. Yeah. No. I mean, there's no problems if there's problems that you're solving them at night. Interesting. But that's how it's worked because I can ride in the office. I can't I can't. And I can't write at night. My biorhythms are not like that at night like right now I'm like half asleep. In the morning if we were here, I'd be like this is chill right now. This is this is relaxed. We'll tell me this, what do you do if you get writer's block? How do you battle it? If you get it, I pray it away. No. I, I have a candle that says, okay? Like I do I do have candles a writer's block candle. I've got it. Okay. It's really I mean, you can use for anything like life. It's literally says that or a road opener just saying go to the what that nica. I think you might want to sell those online that can help out a lot of writers. I, I live like blocks away from this is the buji one house of intuition, but the candle worked expensive hell like they're too expensive, but they work and all my writers, the writers who I have to tell you this is that process where I get my blue hot to come the Sunday before the Monday, we start, and she doesn't name view of the whole thing. I sound so from the boy, Laura but whatever. I whatever says she cleans. And then she tells me like she cleans every writers office, and she's like, oh, this writer is very serious. Just seeing. I promise you love this and. And then that the end of the first week she comes to do Olympia and the writers that are willing because some people don't believe, you know, not really almost believes but and then they get their only guessing they have their own session, and our know what she tells them. Did she meet the character on the show? Who does that? No. The character is in. No, a lot, especially there was more like have they met? Oh, no real life in the in the actors knows. Because she's Latina right right into these saying, you know, almost everybody on my careers. I was just curious if the two would ever met. That's no, but, but this this one. Her name is Sabrina, actually, legit serita. She she comes in. She. I'm used to it not. But she'll be like this. She'll be like, what I can tell her that what I'm not gonna fucking. You're eating too much meat. What I did is talk to the air and then talked back the first few times, I was like who are you talking to like, who are you? And like she's always like, like, when she's doing she's like, oh, that's a good idea. Thank you for that. Thank you for reminding me, there's a lot of people, she's talking to all at once. I can't see them, you know, like, right now, I just moved to a new house and April she walks in. And she was like who's this old man? What are you doing here, sir? No. That's not going to work for us. You have to go, and he won't go. So right now, I basically got a roommate because this old man, but it's fine because she said that I sound crazy right now is fine. You got me right. Has she ever pitched anything that ended up on the show based on one of the things she, she doesn't care about the show? I got for it. But I, I mean that's one senior force on yours. You four there's different needs. Interesting. Right, there is there's, like, sometimes you need like bodywork energy work, and you need to get that shit out of you and I go to another senior after that, then I have an OG Seniora who's in lake Elsinore. It's like an hour and a half two hours away. And she's like this. We the three of us are from the same place that had chapels from. That's all I'm going to say she's legit. Like she's like, legit. One time I went all the way to like you have to get in line at five am because she's not people come from all over to she's very good. And one time this one guy comes out on my I shouldn't say this. I'm going to get killed. So in a beautiful like rims gold rim like truck like those like snakeskin boots a big. Louis Vuitton gift back, and he liked. Just skips us all in line that we're like we're like, but he looked like someone you should not stop. You know, when I'm saying, I'm speaking code, and he like walks in into thing offers very ceremoniously. The Louis Vuitton thing. I don't know what they say. And he goes off on my. Oh, she just got him out of a big problem. You could just tell because she doesn't she doesn't she charge. You whatever you want to pay in a box. That's how you know she's a real deal next time. I lose my throat fader ring, I will be giving her. You be they're five and sometimes she doesn't say what you want you to be like, you don't need that bring anymore. Dammit, sitting devastating telling me this. Me you pulled a coup, that, that is unusual in our industry. You know, you have a completely Latin ex writer's room and it's, it's an it's an it's also very LBJ t q plus yes. Friendly, which is also a rarity. And so doing that. And finally, getting what you said earlier in which you wanted to model your own writer's room so that you felt this level of comfort. That's, that's quite an accomplishment. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I threw out when I would say, like what if there were like an you're writing a Latino themed show you had an all Latino. Room and a lot of people from the DOJ as sometimes that we got into it not, I don't think they thought they were getting into it, but they were really like when I got told a lot of times, why would you wanna do that? Why do you want to limit yourself? And it's like you're not telling a white guy, historically, they haven't been told no you're limiting yourself. Why, you know. So and also really so people said that to you one hundred percent one hundred percent and also even you're writing a show about east LA about because for so long that hasn't been a logical, you know, it's crazy to me. That's crazy. I mean look, just look at us like it hasn't. They have we have not been at the helm of our own narrative. They have not let us have control of our own story. So really what we've been consuming is other versions of ourselves, which is so dangerous, because that's erasure in a way. It's like wait. So then those are, you know, so I, I want to give credit where Credit's due the Queen of the south writer's room last season was all Latina to accept. I've been getting a lot of attention, but they need to get attention to. Because it makes sense Atlanta has an all blah. I mean, there's like so now I feel like because we when we kept saying early on I was like, well, Atlanta has an all black writers, it kind of gives us license to see. It can be done, you know. And yeah, you have to give a lot of people there. I shot. That's okay. I got my first shot my cinematographer had only done second unit. That's okay. People have to get the first shot somewhere. You know what I mean? Great, if you brought in, if you brought in one white guy, and you're like you're the diversity higher, like, like your old friend. You know the the just had Brunswick. I think that'd be okay. Tell me this, tell me this trial by fire trial by fire. What's the most important thing that you that you picked up learning how to run your own writer's room because there needs to be an organized effort, you, you have six episodes for your first season six again. Ten and so, you, you need a plan. You need a roadmap. You don't have forever to to get this ball rolling. So what were some of the things that were really important to you, as a writer that when you began to where your show runner hat you learned? The I hired a lot of friends. And then people who became friends, and I'm really bad at notes because I don't wanna hurt new feeling. So I still season to him bad at giving notes. So what I do. So this is not good things to learn. Because then what I do is, like, I'll just do it, which is not a good way to rewrite them everything. And it's terrible. So I don't end so season three I'm hoping to be more like like I've such a helicopter mom. I'm like you can have it back a little more. Same thing with the editing has been a moment where writer wrote some. That was personal them that they want to defend you by the after you rewrote them by then pitched do not. I mean so they've picked something personal and has gone through the outline because of the way the process. It's like had a lot of. And of course, if, if it sounds like the show, of course, it's going to go in, but I do I need to get better at notes, but I also got really decisive and I didn't know it was that decisive like first season I was like, whatever is like million dollar decisions. And I'm like, yes. No. But now I'm like, yes. No, it's not my money. So now it is my money. I mean, I do care about the money stars. But if you feel more flexible and agile you know, about like this is a big decision and I, you know. Could affect a lot of people. But we have like a minute to make it so that I'm getting good at I hope I get better at the notes because I am too. Yeah, I just need to get better. You know, it's good place to be. But I mean obviously you have your own vision for the shows you know where it's headed. I thought one of the things that was really interesting that I had read was that you guys had wanted to originally shoot more in Boyle heights, and there were people that weren't into it and didn't want all the trucks there. And you and you also I think decided that you didn't. And you actually shoot. I think the bar exterior in Koreatown is that right? Pico told me about the decision because it's strange because you would think that you would hit Boyle heights pretty hard or harder. Well, so when we shot the pilot presentation, you know, there was a UTA gallery and Boyle heights, and there was a bunch of galleries that were displaying, not local artists so there was a backlash from from groups in in. In the neighborhood. I my my my agents came and took a picture with me the when we're the first few hours of the shooting the pilot. And I posted on my Instagram by, so we started at seven AM so by eleven AM all the stuff like so they had taken that picture and. Researching look at this sellout, that's in bed with UTA. We need to protest them. So they call me white Tina and coconut and we which are phrases that you've used on the show as well wait Tina, we use stick because because they called me that I was like, well, this has to reflect real life. Right. So I never had heard at eighteen until I got called that. And I was like, well, we have to put it on the show and so, but also I, I tried to figure out what, what the, the complaint was. And it was that we were tied to UTA that it was a misunderstanding the way we were tied to. But also the fact that I'm not from Boyle heights that. And I can't change that, right. I'm Mexican American. But I'm Mexican actually I'm not a citizen. But I can't change that I was not born in Boyle heights, so that, that I can't. But what they didn't want is all art, like Hollywood trucks, taking up all that space, which makes sense because especially we're going to be there a lot. It's crowded streets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Parking's a premium I get. When we were like, okay, we got the green light, we're going to shoot because we, we had started to use this awesome bar and Boyle heights. We're like, no, we can't do it. We need to do it where we are more wanted. And because we paid the tenants every time where they're like, we, we're very welcome in that and Koreatown. So we turned ninety nine cents store into the bar and every time at the end, we turn it back until nine cents store. So, yeah, that's not what you pass by there. It's a nine cents store. Sometimes people come in, and they're like, is this a shop v that and the owner of the main sensor so nicely? Yes, watch it may twenty third. Yeah. So, so we've. Interesting that, that happened in which a lot of times, I know a lot of time communities would embrace a show. That's about the community and there's and there's outreach within the community, but having the world, see the community is usually important those optics so not here because right we'll be attracted to moving here. Maybe and that's the whole thing, and we are being hit the fires. I am a hint fire by. Interesting. My big trucks in in practice. This is a question because I was I've always been curious about this. Because as you just said, you're not from wheel heights, but you have roots in Chicago. Did you ever consider saying to stars? What if we just set this in Chicago? Yes, but they wanted he still. And you know what they should have. They should have it there. Okay. Oh, she's curious heights is like the of a lot of like social Justice movement, even from the sixties, and now it's been the crib of that. And I think it's the right place. I you know, I can't change my pedigree. I am not from Boyle heights, but we do have a lot of people involved. Three of my actors Boyle heights, and east LA the number of easily writers and stuff. So so we, we tried to correct that part of it. But I think they still they're still a small faction that are not happy with us, and I don't know if I'll be able to do anything about it. They have valid points where I've been able to help except I can't just stop doing the show. You know that, that wouldn't I wonder? The show continues of gains ground, maybe that'll change, and you'll be invited to shoot now interesting. It hasn't list. You know, they protested us these two I sat down with them. Before the season and the same person I sat down with was protesting us with signs. So, and it was has that influenced you for the character. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I would think it would love her character. In fact, we were shooting, the top of episodes is a protest protest that we took from, I mean, there's a lot of video that they've put online and there their specific aesthetic, you know, flares and and we, we are doing that. You know. And they that's the day they came to protest us. And we didn't know who was who was background actors. A real protest with your fake protests at the same time. That's really great background casting director because they we, we've looked like from the neighborhood. So that was crazy. We had to wear the pink cat Leonard so that we knew. Okay, right. Okay. So there and then when we start shooting took it up. Yeah. Folks. I'm jumping in really quick to tell you all about backstory magazine, which you could read on a desktop laptop ipad or even on an Android tablet via Google play. We recently published issued thirty-seven which is our avengers in game issue in issue. 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Owner Tanya Saracho to chat about season, two Evita on stars would did the budget and schedule end up being for each episode. If you're able to say able to say we don't know I mean, I know what it is. But I'ma say it could say nothing will happen. You're on season two three point five okay for episode which is a lot. That's great for how many, how many days five sometimes five and a half. So we could Bank some days like some episodes are bigger because I override shit. The still have playwright. And so that's for a half hour. The thing is that it's expensive to shoot in LA. That's why people go to. But, like I think it's great that you've you've kept it here. Obviously. I don't know how you would do it somewhere else. Well, yeah, I have a friend who just did a very Chicano film hint. And they shot a lot of it in Canada. You know, and then they came to exteriors here. And it's like how, how did you do? I mean, they did it looks great. But I just didn't think we were able to do that much like walking talking out it needed to feel especially for background. You know, like need to sound like us for the casting. Did you guys get a guild waivers for for kind of like, because you were still low budget because a lot of the olds offer though here in LA now. Okay. Or, and there's also tax credits. Did you did you guys get in on some of the California tax credits? I think we just the conversation that I think we didn't I think that's why we essentially really expensive for, for half hour and it is, but that's the funding Bill think so maybe it's not all her credit but I do think that whatever Martha. Let's do this, right. Those the prime cable version of this, and it really is. How many cameras would you say you're shooting, like on a typical scene is depends, because like some scenes, especially the big ones we do to for my episode that I directed I was going to get to that somebody's a director now. Yes. Big big fight with a lot of people. I'm not going to say what kind of a lot and we did three cameras. You know, sometimes it depends like two cameras, a lot of the time, sometimes one because, you know, we get like get in there in little spaces. And so I think it's great that you that you seize the mantle of directing for, for an episode and give us like your biggest I opening moment on that. Because here you are as a storyteller. You've had your vision accomplished, and now you're actually helming an episode. What, what was something that you didn't expect the you conversation with that she was, she's very like, you know, you have to drag next season, right? I was like, no sees him four or five. I'm still getting my sea legs. No next season. We what no I can't. And then because it worked out a directed the finale, and I, I really throughout the well, we were shooting. I was like fuck it up. I wanna fuck it up. I'm going to fuck up my own finale this, it's too early. But then I got there and identify it up. It was helicopter. Mom, the whole thing that I'm like, I actually know what to do, because I've been the director. So I'm always like you're going to talk to actress. Okay. Like I'm always like, like a shadow just because. I am. Yeah. Baby. So. Same thing with, like the editing room and everything. And then I worked I was working with friends with people. I love, you know, everybody my DP is to. Ep was above or Naski, and she's also insecure and berry and she just it was amazing. She was like this idea shot list. And like she really took me by the hand. It was really amazing. And then those one sex scene, the queer sexing that we were doing, and it was amazing to have Eva, queer me, my first day queer my second. AD queer the care. And I was like, in this, it was his bathroom sex scene that we were all like this is historic, it feels like, and it's going to dust look amazing. I think 'cause we. Omni, what we were doing. Do you know what I mean? Sometimes we watch, Chris scenes, you're like. Come on night into Neil lower stuff. That's not going to work. At least that's those are the knows I have for those things. But, like we really were. It was it was great. Yeah. That is great. That is great. We're going to get to our spoiler section section in a in a second. I guess the dumbest last non spoiler question that I would have is I as a kid that only took two years of spaniel was always curious if there was going to be some titles. But at the same time is of you're even though my Spanish is not that good. I, I've never been confused by what's going on. So was that ever a conversation? No. Never. Okay. Good as awesome. I think they had conversations because my producers were like they were having conversation, but they never asked me. And I'm so glad I think so we're not. I wrote I've written sixteen place, and they have a lot of Spanish them. I never put super titles. You can put super titles in place. Right. That's sort of with opera. Now you in Chicago, a lot of theaters, especially the Spanish language theater. Always translates. The, you know, and I never I was like, no don't do it. If, if they're paying attention, they won't. You know, they won't miss the story. They might miss a joker and inside. Of course. Yeah, but that's then that joke was not for you. That was for whoever understood it legit. So same thing with this. If you don't know like there's going to be a comfort season two, there's going to be a little model about being pretty at them and not being pre at that. We're not going to translate what that is. We're just context if you get it, it's about color, assume, the whole thing, but the were British should especially Mexican Americans or just Latina shouldn't site, something like botch hours, something, gene, Gorna is something like. Production company. Ching ching productions. I'm trying to. I love all are like like our key art is like. What is what is the poster say? Operating on a level and which is a contract to. Yeah. And then we're going to have another one that's going to be like the future is Jin Ghana. And I know it's masculine, the future is jingle gone, technically, but, you know, we're trying to do that something we're trying to call, you know, the future's female. But, but yeah, it was never going to be translated because like you don't go to heights. And you don't get translated when you're walking down rate. Yes. I think it gives it a, a great realistic field last non. Spoiler question as somebody was such a big passed in theatre. How important was rehearsal as director. Because in film, you don't have a lot of time to rehearse and film, actors aren't always used to it. But with your theatrical background reversals key, so we have some the actor of course. No, there's no time. I think that's weird. Having having lived so much in the theater world the pilot. We did rehearse the pilot. We rehearsed a couple of days like like a play like, we, we read it. We were her scenes. We workshop them because it was the pilot. And we were also we were like getting to know the characters and stuff. But then after that, it just goes the train that goes so thankfully, the, the kids. Look, the cast knows what they're doing. They're you don't not a lot of them have a lot of experience or names, or but they're ready. You know we'll you see them. They're ready. They've been ready Michelle Emma had only done a web series before. But she's brilliant. You know, I'm just surprised because every time I hear that I always surprised that there's not more rehearsal, because I mean, the actors are great, but as you know, from your theater background rehearsal is where you get your footing. Sometime. To not be able to do the pilot. We did we did a lot. And, and I have to say that every sexiness, rehearsed two days before. With, you know, the producers there, the DP there. And, and we explained to the actors exactly what is going to be seen what, what they feel comfortable measure. And then they, they sign it like every little okay? So the side of the buttocks will be seen everybody signs off because you need nudity waivers and stuff like that at stars there, extra source of and two days before like that given the two days gives you forty-eight hours to decide if you're uncomfortable with something and have a change, they can be uncomfortable. Even even after we've done a million takes sure. Like they know that I it's so important to keep them safe. Most important these, these people are very important to me. And, and people I even actress, I don't know, like, you know, the season opened with a world, satis orgy. And we're going to get to that in a second. I'm going to I'm going to cut you off right here and say podcast listeners if you have not yet seen season, two episode one of the press. Pause go see it on stars comeback because now we're going to be talking spoilers of all the images. That you can start season two with we're the hell did you arrive at what you just described as world saddest, it, said that on the script welcome to the world, satis orgy? Why how did you decide? That's where you're going to start. For me. I'm like, washing my hair, Jess and then I come to the room like like, so one time I was like washing my hair, and I'm like, oh, no. Oh, mighty no. And then I come to y'all. Mighty is going to give back to you with Lilo no Tanya. And I'm like, I'm sorry this what she's telling me that's like my own blue of the characters. And so that just came from the shower, and I was like, oh, yeah. Like I just wanted that like, like. Gross. It's, it's they all smell now like old sweat. They're, they're coming down from all their Molly. And their whatever else they did. And so they got a low nauseous, you know, it just throws up some somebody throws up, somebody else would probably thrown up somewhere else to like. It's not cute. It was Lynn there. Exactly why. Like when she turns around she sees the girls are up. And then she she does that, like what the fuck am I doing here? Look, that's like switch. She switches, she's like, I'm done with that face because she would put herself in these situations. She went with that girl Harper, and she's like last season. There was that one four episode the one that ended with a bus ride with a domestic worker, you know. And she put herself in that situation. He loves being around affluent, people just, I think that's where she feels the most let Tina, and she performs a kind of exoticism, that is a little gross. I think that we didn't see that part. We just saw the part where she ended up there, but I think that, that you're what you're seeing is the old the last of the old Lynn. It's just because I thought there was going to be oh, there's going to be a backstory explaining know how she got there. She knows these people and stuff like that. And yes, she just if the end of it like your little like ending to the scene is like she just dropping off address. She was coming to sell dresses, because she a hell of a detour from selling dresses up an orgy. It was it was just the wildest sand that you could start season two with, and as you were talking about the, the sex waivers. I mean, you've had a lot of very risque sex scenes here and there and you you've also had full male frontal nudity. Yeah. Yeah. Only male, and so I'm curious about your, your perspective on that. And what the rules are for TV standards about getting away with it on a censored level stars. They did as guess, of course, of course because all singing. It was. Of course. But were there were there any specific guidelines, because like an in a in a motion picture? For instance, people have to be flaccid that's the one rule put I wanted them to be flaccid because that guy was like barely standing, you know, it's funny because I we when we cast this it was, we had a specialist commend that sort of just specializes on this. We cast in them a lot of them were porn stars so that they'd be comfortable and I, I paid for three penises like, like I chose three that we're willing and knew they were going. And you know in the footage, I did have three penises. And then if we came just about the flaccid penises, and like what, what are we saying? I don't need all that which the, the one, you know. So, so those went away, but it was funny. How like the first the first cut of this was just like swinging. And like just. Just really put that was there anything. We're stars sensors kind of said, you need to walk it back and all of Europe. Tell me you don't need all that because then it becomes about what is the commentary, which, and with one it was just part of the texture, but they did have that note, but they didn't tell me to they just said, it's it was, it was the first cut of I was really long, but it weren't necessarily cut down the penises. Good to know. They're always have a function, the first season when Jackson Davis was breaking up with with, with when, when Juniper's brake job. Yes, she is his ass. Breaking up and he's flaccid to it's very specific. She's fully clothed. So even though she's getting broken up with she's in her power. And I really wanted to see that very specifically like, when we, we didn't just cut it out commentary on how he waited until after we're done to break up with her, which Kraisak Louis. Yeah. I'm curious when you look at the arc of things. One of the things I found really interesting about the first season was the, the admission that, that Emma was sent away because of her mom's inability to deal with science. She was seeing. But then we know that, that Vida ended up, you know, an old loving gay relationship later in her life hypocrite. Right. Right. And that's what Emma says many times, I'm curious if they're in season two since I've only seen the first step aside, if there's going to be. Plot devices like flashbacks, and we learn more about that passed between her and her, mom backs but the building is that. The bar is V that, and so like, almost any decision that has to take is because of some decision that v that has made and, and then there's any there, and she's by proxy sort of either. But no, there's there will not be flashbacks. This is from the looking world Andrew. Hey, the Showrunner and director of looking didn't have, you know, the phone calls when you call and you can see the both the funk like both onscreen both onscreen. We will never have that the only music you will see you were here, the radio or on source music, dogma, ninety five LARs venture, and those were very involved with that. I just look, I really like how looking felt real now we, we do have at the top, and at the end some music, but your credits, but yeah, but it's not just like looking like it's not scored. And I, I really wanted that so that you, we're not dictating emotion. You know, the realism of it was really, really important to me. What was really important to you to end season one with because when you when you do a season, one finale, you don't always know if you're going to have a second season and you want it to be its own. On its own functioning story. What were the important things that you wanted to get in there at the end of at the end of season, one when I was on my free that Gallo bed making the thing I knew the ending of all the episodes, like I knew I knew and I knew the last image, I wanted the sun to come becoming up, and then the sisters kinda shaking on it. So I knew I knew I needed to earn that. I didn't think I'm not going to have a second season or I am. I just like for this story just for this season. That's the end insight them coming together that way. Same thing might not have at third season. My hope people watch and I hope I do have a third season. But I didn't think of this the ending of season two as like that's it. That's the last time we see the, the sisters. It was just the right ending for this season. It was interesting that the dad is kind of mentioned here and there and I'm curious is that going to be more of a thing in season. Two. But if I get a season three major saying, okay, good to know. I thought it was cool the way that in the season, one opener that she realizes she sees the girl from the mural to the girl in the pink dress that goes back to episode one of season one and, you know, she, she talks about it being her mother. When did you figure out how you're going to plant those reveals in the recurring motif of the girl in the pink dress on the mural and, and other places? Because in the end of the episode and season, one she sees her in the picture. Yeah. And then we never deal with with it again. I just want. Really? Okay. I just wanted that to be done. And magical realism will happen in other ways season. Two, it's less than and hopefully season three we'll be embodied in a different way. But it was just it was mostly because people didn't understand that, that was v. First season. There were like that's MS like childlike or spiritual. And I just wanted to also it's not a big moment by design. So if you don't get it, you don't get it. And you still think that she's been watching the show. You know that girl in the pink dress. Yeah, exactly. So, but it was cool payoff. But I'll good. Good. 'cause I lot of people were like who has that little girl? And I was like, really because at the end at the end you see her holding onto Eddie's in the hospital and then it becomes older. I thought that was clear, but. Tell me, this put us in the room for second, and we'll take a few questions from the crowd. And in a couple of minutes, as I know we're running out of time. But what, what were some of the lessons in the editing room, because editing is the last stage of storytelling, you have to. Yeah, you have to part with some of your darling darlings, but you also find other things. I'm ruthless. I don't mind part like I, I will kill my darlings even when, when some sometimes I don't kill don't do that. I have an off female editing staff that are bad assets. And. John Yaro, I've known forever to so late working with friends, and she did the pilot presentation, and I'd never edited anything. So, again, someone held my hand through it, and we're like this is how you note me when you want something, you, these are the ways in so, so she's, she's very. Some of the way she likes to go. So instead of being like when she says that line, tell me the time, code, or the tiger that kind of thing, what we all editing on. What, what systems final cut pro avid? Okay. Yeah. And but I love editing. It's like directing theatre. I know you can't tell us season two. But what was your hardest cut off season? One. Was the hardest thing for you to drop a deleted scene. Something you'd held onto from any of the episodes of season one so forever, the pilot existed with this intercut of Vidalia dying, and the Loupe seeing it. And then this, this red candle spills. And then the blood SP like it was this beautiful. There was no time for it. And we didn't know who Lupu was for a long time to see what we were watching. And then it seemed a little bit. Like, did she kill her? No. But it was beautifully shot like the, the wind comes in the KENDALL, and the blood, and then the blood of it was beautiful. But it didn't like this has to go, and it was, it was really beautifully shot by, and we had to let it go. And the I knew like even though I liked it so much. I knew for the story it just kind of like, wait, who what did she kill her weight is she talking to her daughter, and it's right at the beginning. Right. So having explaining how supernatural the show is because it's a different way, it starts with the way the Sabrina talks to the air is started with us San yada. And you think she's talking to someone and then you realize she's just talking to the air, and she's drinking tea and like the and crazy. I got it, it looked pretty but we were like why does happening a little bit? So that was a big one. And yeah, there's there's clearly no way you can move that scene later because what was your toughest seen then? What was your toughest thing yet? No, not as a writer. What was the toughest scene if you want to pick up one from season one and season two? Now just a scene that you remember yourself kind of banging your head in the wall on over and over, and then how you creatively solve that problem, and then we'll take a few from the crowd. I don't remember season one to season two. It wasn't that. That I was banging my head. I just wanted to get it. Right. I because of my quickness, and I do date men men to I've always having to defend my Kronos, especially at bars with other lesbians. And they always call me not always but it's happening enough times. I called a tourist. And then I ended up like a fight with people, and, you know, and I have been wanting to have that conversation because we as queers we police each other. We're on queer police, I hate that shit. We're Latinas police to like when you're like you're not letting makes enough to leading. So there there's a scene in because are gay bucket. A wedding. It's so epic, what episode three and just the imagery of these two. Like masculine buckle Kabul, Mexican Cowboys, but their grooms it's so it's all like, and they're all like dressing ranchero gear and his gorgeous. And the best man is this girl named Nico is this? All we also had this, like, drag Queen and named kiss of the, the way, she's dancing with a guy the shorter doing the Torna you're no, it's, it's us. You know what I mean? So excited to share that. But then they have the basically the all. Come for Emma for like through like the call her baby queer, and she's like, don't we don't make this assumption that you don't know. I'm a new queer a baby. And then they call her tourists, and it's a whole thing. And I've been wanting to have that scene when we come Emma's pretty tough. I'm guessing she gives ganged up. She needs a little help from this. My dream, we created my dream girl in the lab, aka, the writer's room named Niko and played, right bro. Who is an I love dick. She was also in my leg era. My in my play, and she's a she's such a great job and Nico, kind of helps helps her out a little bit because Emma, so taken aback by D strangers. Just be like was the difficult difficulty getting the conversation, correct? Yes, because you have to get maybe a it has to transcend its insider. Right. So we get those terms, but also, maybe someone who doesn't know the term tourists so that one took a little bit of massaging, you know, and also can be can be today tactic it can be it. But it was at first, you know, so that one I wanted to get it right. And I, I didn't want anyone to say it's not working, we should take it away or me, sit in the editing vain. We like it's not working. We should take it away like that. That one we worked on a lot of excited to see it. We're gonna take a question. Two two from the crowd read their user in the front row. His question was about seeing two different versions of the pilot if you if you're aware of what he's talking about. Because I'm not sure what you mean by WJ version, it would have been the same different drafts right? Yeah. Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about. He was talking about a variant of the draft. And he was just talking about the different storylines. Managing your ABC storylines as you would. Wait. Let me ask you back. What were they was, it really different because I don't remember being so different course it had seen that you mentioned that you've got. For a hot minute. I had this character Chicano Soroush like an older guy. No that will end in that became cruise, you know. But like that, and I think maybe there was that and he was cruise too. So like one was an older male. But it wasn't going to be a romantic thing. I think there was a version of that and then groups came and produces like. Little has little romantic. Maybe I feel like it would didn't change that much. We'd just some things got taken away. But, but those, especially the b. A and B I guess we have ABC and indeed. But like AM be are the ones that I really concentrate on. And they, they didn't change that much like their journey because there's not that much room. But yeah, I think maybe that's what you saw. But Salang ago. I don't remember exactly. Another question. The question was you. You left a cliffhanger earlier with Scotland on your outlander quest and having the three mills by yourself. You said you met someone in the data them, what else could you, you tell us about the rom com version of that described it? I tell the story very long, so I was trying. But basically, the short version, is that at a cost to have you ever been to in their Starbucks? Right. I was like, oh my God. I took the wrong train train up to go to Inverness because I was going after Colloton Moore was on outlander. So that's what I was trying to. It's like five hours away and I had they have different train length away. We have different airlines, and I'd done it wrong and the only person that wasn't like on this laptop or or talking to somebody else was this guy just like, legit drinking them in very like you know out Landry. But that's not what I saw. I was just like hi, sir. I'm sorry it, and then I sit down and thinking. I lost my father disowned me and the poor guy. I don't think I let him speak six hours later. We're still having coffee because I have not leaving. I have a person. That's listening, right? And think. And, and he was like, I could walk around Edinburgh. Do you want to go? Yes. Of course. And I I'm talking I hit a woman in the face where we're because I'm like, oh my God. I love Ed 'cause I Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Texas and is like no. It's edinburgh. I'm like a head of women in the face, and she apologizes to me. And it was like this whole amazing. I love Scotland. Everyone's so nice. So like, and then he's like, I'd like to make you dinner. But like I, I was only dating girls before this wasn't. Never dated a white person. So it wasn't like that, yet, you know, it was just like a really nice very beta very quiet, very shy. And I didn't let talk about. He was like, I'd like to make dinner if, if you don't mind, you know, and I was like, hold on. And I take my phone send Yoda. Here's a picture of him. Do you think he's going to kill? And rape me to my, my, my I had to ask, if I should get in the car, and he, I don't make a move without, and she was like, get in the car, it will change your life in your car because you're gonna change my life, and he was a Hutu text. She says it's fine. I can get in the car. So then we go. And so it is sent he has Ciro game. I hope he doesn't hear this zero like, no never did, I feel in danger, nothing and we went to a dump farmland which is like three hour thirty minutes away. So it wasn't like. So then at, like four AM drinking whiskey, but nine sexy way because his cold and in Scotland, and he has all the whisky but it's not because there's a fire, but because his house hundreds of years, you know, so it's cold, you know, so, but it sounds actually I wasn't and I was showing he was showing me. Totally the long story when you. Night songs in the nineties, and Scotland and I was like this is this is Fay, it was just like a sharing of cultures and he was like, let me drive you tomorrow to Inverness. And I was like, hold on San iota. And she was like continue. Get mom does. Guttural. Okay. I will get I'm supposed to get in your car, and then we are, so it's going to be an adventure tiny as I don't say, I'm fat. A European little car. You know going up to. Amazing highlands. And when we get there, because I said that I got disowned, so. It was a twenty third of December Olofsson. It hits me, my family is gathering, and I start crying ugly crying and like ugly crying in this, and I'm like, I haven't even known this guy whole day. And I'm like. And then this also, we're like seeing clouds, it's the most beautiful. Beauty that I've ever seen better than outlander like it really is. The most gorgeous saying, and homeboy does grabs my hand, but not just like like a concerned human for an hour. And that's when I was like, oh, what and it was, and that's it. I was supposed to be there. Two weeks. I said six, and then that's great. We just broke up. I am too. He's. Since is very hard, and I'm not a citizen and he overstayed his welcome, when he was taking, he quit his job to take care of me. The six months, I couldn't walk. This is an angel. I know and, and then it got really hard because he can't come back in. So I have to meet him in Mexico or made them. And Scotland is it got really? And then I was like, I, I mean we didn't he's great. It just got really hard with our situation so fucking immigration. It's kind of a mess right now with the mass more than a mess really affects me in the flesh. It's changing a lot of people's lives. The bad ways. I hope it's something that we could solve in twenty twenty what's next. I think that infra Scotto guys, and I gotta who has. Oh, it's going to be called hustle. Yes. Okay. And so the play that I wrote in, like two dozen seven heaven. Yeah. The cover everything says because I was working on it and I was in the original cast of that play. I've looked Lena and. I was young writer like figuring it out. Now I can say a lot more in. Setup. When's it going to be made stars in Chicago? I don't know. I have to finish. Okay. So I'm working on the nation. Yes. We'll now it's become because they gave me a mini room and the show is going to be afra-. Latina X, Chicago. And the, the mini room, I got was all main of afro Latino writers, and that was really cool, because it is. Part of our community to soften police and forgotten like Latino like say, no, you're not letting enough. Black Americans say, no, you're not black enough, and I they need a space like a creative space. So it was really cool to work with these these writers. And then I got like it's not going to be so much that story but it's all the same characters and the same aesthetic but it's you know it was like young place on now. We're going to make it better. Is there anything else that you're working on? I can't. Because I'm helicopter mommy about stuff like I have to do one thing at it. Okay. Okay. So no, it's just Vida blue hasn't. Yes, this other stuff and then does are always like what about this? I'm like I can. I have to give birth to this properly. I don't know that makes sense. Well, look, I, I love what you've done. I can't wait to watch the rest of season two. You've been very generous with your time, I can't wait to see we do next. Give it up again for Tanya. So nice. 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Confusing Balls of Meat

Do By Friday

1:28:32 hr | 2 months ago

Confusing Balls of Meat

"They do by friday weekly challenge. Podcast with merlin man and alex. This week's challenge craft a god. Seems the worst zooms. The worst i am. I am not hearing. You drove computer audio. Oh oh you're muted audio. They were friday. You live right. Welcome dubai. They've already heard welcome to do by friday. But i had merlin have a lot more empathy for everybody. You know so. All of the entire every person with internet access because i have never been in zoom meeting that. I haven't started when it was recording. So the other day got on one and i didn't realize how like sort of halting at weird that this session is now being recorded or whatever it was i was like. Oh there's a lot of. I started noticing. Hello i missed you. I've started noticing things. Just weird weird alex. Sorry for interrupting. I missed you a whole sorry. What what was that. Sorry for interrupting things. We both were true. It's really true. That's why it's weird. I don't know if it's a really honest. Hello i oh god the a number now we're using zoom zoom slow worst. What were you thinking about zoom. How's your day. you have a good day. Oh yeah okay but it's funny. 'cause you're right. When did i noticed this. I've been noticing when it takes me way more clicks to do something than i would like I i mean. I guess that's kind of an obvious thing to realize but there's certain things where i'm like man. Complete this takes so many clicks every time and that's definitely an example of getting from. I'm not doing anything to i. Wanna talk to my friend alex. There's a lot to do lot to delight. Lots of click to agree a computer audio. You allow this and then yeah so so. Why isn't that odd. Though that you've been on the one side of that and it feels so different to be on the other side it is and it's the stanford prison experiment but you know within. Oh gosh wasn't that a turns out sort of things turns out yup yup yup reminds me of a well You continue to say the phrase. I don't want to sound like i'm saying anything radical but and then say something i don't write a i would nuanced and good and true and just the last episode of reconcilable differences talking about nuances in horror and didn't how god is just so good. It's so good. What did i say. I don't remember where. I say that sometimes people are nice to you but they do not have the best in your best interests at heart. Oh right we. We're talking about college. No we're talking about college. You were talking about service work and then you're talking about you know afterwards knowledge word. Only dum dum privileged white guy idea that people benefit from no. It's not it's not. That's the point. It's not that's it's radical. Sorry for interrupting. No no. i'm nice to be back. wow okay. I i think the more salient at as you'd say. The most salient point is sometimes. It's just not about you. Sometimes someone is just constantly a dick and it could be for your best interest and this is covered on the reconcilable differences. That's coming out A couple of days In some of my my my medication results and one of the things i realized Was again kind of an obvious thing. I said this. Dan the other day. But i think when you especially on a trip also in life it's important to realize like whose event it is who's trip it is who's thing it is because if you agree to go on the example i gave is like i don't i don't like being around the strip clubs so i can either go to strip club or go to a strip club but it's not cool for me to go to a strip club in wine about being in a strip club. Ooh that's a really good example. Oh yeah we'll like. Yeah yeah and even though like my girlfriend's like no like three of my friends are going through college doing this. We have to be supportive. When i'm like no feminist man and i'm also uncomfortable around sex but but But i think it's like if somebody else's wedding you would be unless you are you know a relative of the bride and wants to drive that person crazy or any grooms per person they. You agree shut up and go along get along because it's somebody else's event and like me realizing you know We this we were committed to a trip. That didn't turn out to great before we laughed. But like once you're there like what are you gonna do. Are you going to be a drag the whole time. You know what i mean. I don't know and that's the point though of like it's not always about you and i don't know but then i even as i was saying that though alex was realizing and you don't you don't need to Soothe me here. That is a very privilege is the wrong word. But that's you know like you say could you say that to like like acute fifteen year old girl like hey. You should go work at this restaurant where you're going to be abused and not have humanity like. Oh well actually you know. That's a formula in a recipe. That i mostly trying to avoid. But i'm glad somebody kicked my ass a little bit i. This is not a self soothing. It is a merlin factual. Yeah yeah you you are helping you and those are situations that some people you are never going to experience it but a lot of people have like just being prepared for being sexually harassed rather be at a mcdonald's or at a fortune five hundred company and i i don't have that experience with a fortune five hundred company orkla working at mcdonalds. Yeah anybody wants what are fortune. Five hundred companies anymore. Is it just over like valued over five hundred billion or something. I don't know what it says on tin. I think it's it's a company. So there's the fortune in companies like fortune fifty fortune. Whatever and it's my understanding that every year they evaluate which companies. I don't know if it's Income profit or what. But here's the top five hundred companies and it's just something douchebag say so look if you feel like you don't know don't worry i think a lot of people don't it's a very it's a seat one a-hole kind of thing Yeah i think there are also the people who decide who are the thirty under thirty s. And now i failed. I'm no longer a did. I fail if you could. If you don't truly don't want that. I don't i don't know i think my only hope is going to be in like the two hundred fifty. The oh god man. I need a high number an implausibly high number and a lot of slots and do the bit. They have to be the same number. I do feel like an this from an angle. Something i said before but i. I have really surprising as somebody who's not real into american military. Might i have really enjoyed working with people who are veterans or ping people who've been in like actually like join or were drafted into the armed services. It's difficult to explain without sounding. Like i'm saying thank you for your service but i don't know there's just there it seems like there are certain kinds of folks on that spectrum of on the one end like. Just gimme a shovel or a broom and point me like tell me what to do to make this good thinking about the the team and the goal and i'm not talking about like navy seals here. I'm not talking about like a friend of mine that went to the am i and then served out his. You know term in the navy to like basically pay off free college but he was accused kind of hughes a little too colorful for his own. Good oh so personality in the military well but for example in in our office this is not the kind of thing you were really to do. Is he had discovered. I think through me that there's an app you get for your mac that would let you associate. Sounds with almost any event on the mac so like you know. If you've got interoffice mail it might go. You know Pity lavar or whatever or not but he he associated a I'm probably going to say this wrong. So apologies for my second amendment ignorance. Machine-gun being shot with each keystroke at at that So you know. But like he wasn't doing it he was doing it to be annoying. He wasn't doing it to be threatening. Which because it was a different time. It was the nineties but But like i always like that. And why am i saying this because i think there is something you know gunnery sergeant hartman is going to get your mind right about understanding like you're not even allowed on his obstacle until you can be part of this cohesive unit. You know what i mean and like. That's the part. I mean is like the other end of that spectrum. Though is people like to be honest. Me who left my worst devices will try to figure out. Interesting thing happened in the world. How do i make it all about me. And it's just. I don't know i don't think it's wholesome and i don't think it's helpful and That's that's really all. But i got this zoom so we'll see how it goes a new zoom. Let's was trying to tell you when you saying. Ceo sitting there. Waiting rooms. ozone away. Where i wait. I wait i wait i wait yeah okay. What was the issue. Jazz boy offer ghazi reference. Alex i have but whereas you safer gazing. That's what they do. That's why we call it in the lifestyle. Whoa really oh food gay That's funny that's okay. Low bar low bar low bar. Welcome low bar. That's also a place in the lifestyle. All right i'm i'm genuinely. I'm back on the zuma a whole lot these days. What are alright. let's go into. Oh gosh i should open the doc. I make the joke that every episode. Someone's first episode but it turns out that that that's true and then i'm like oh boy. We're still giving in a shot on occasion. Yeah yeah that's fun. That's nice to hear and i'm like oh oh and and a lot of times it is like i know. Merlin won't see this book. Also tell he he really great. And i like the show hoarded meeting of the minds. I know i said no. No no i'm not going to. I'll let them know that lots of people think it's a student. And i just feel like you just did that. Yeah no no no no zooming in in a way. Oh no oh. I've got his man. Okay hold on after after fucking show. I've zoomed question. You're writing all this down. Alex because i am not. I'm not writing this down. Are you reading all the stone. I am indeed putting. i'm not. I'm talking about zooming in well. Let me just open a z. Feel like you're sliding down a a a great very tall slide of open parentheses right now. Yeah i'm like oh it's like. What was it not adventure. Lan yup action park. And you're gonna get decapitated in the in the in this wurley. Oh god let's just say right now. I'm typing zooming in on picture from merlin. What of me see. I'm making it all about me from the one of us on the streets. No no no. But the i don't what are you talking about. I've been in okay all right. Let's let's close just put a pin in that. What was that. That's for the after show then actually for the after show but okay all right. Let's let's close parentheses. Why on a lot. But first we need change. Hi my name. Is alex cox and right now. It hasn't been looking concerned about lali out of curiosity whom i notice that. Sometimes i talk real fast in. Don't make a lot of sense. Well you're you're you're zoom in a little bit and it's not really my concern hims- give me some paper out and i'm going to write these down. Nah what about vancouver wednesday eighteenth. We're out typical for you. Yeah it was pretty pretty straightforward and then my friend my friends ass just slid down so many opening and i don't think i don't think they are going to back up the parentheses. Oh boy i'm gonna do a scoop backup italy it'll be fine. I'm totally here. Got lots of pictures of tall women. The oh oh. I didn't realize the context in which that i dislike. Look his concern. Is i just put this on twitter. Dot com oil problem disappear by the time. You hear this. Because i'll tell you about this if we talk about it and why this interest me but what's crazy. Is that like some of these photos. So basically i came across No i said to my friend you come with the ladder anyway. It's pretty funny. I just made my own joke again. Here in laughed about it but but but crazy is so. There's the where i said. Oh my gosh. i'm prepping for friday and these pictures. Three actual photos of three tall actresses with lake small to normal size men including the front of the show harvey weinstein and in discovering these photos. I just searched for tall actress thinking like who. Am i missing here. I definitely got brienne tar. I got the new princess diana. I'm already jumping ahead aren't and this other woman who's very statuesque now. I know in that case. Sarah sarah jessica. Parker is not tall person. But it's still pretty bananas but that led me into this thing and so you know there's like the thing on the internet the sexy thing of guys who like very very large women like giant. Is's you know that's the thing right. I didn't until i go that lovely google and it sure is it's like a thing more than a feat thing. We talked about the dirty feet. Bother me. I mean a can be fine but like i don't like the dirty feet but anyway there's this photograph here where somebody's done a little work and it's the actress singers and dia with the actor. Tom holland and they've had some fun with the delta between them. Did you happen to on the internet. So i'll just send it to you and this is what i'm saying i. This is the day that i realized die is actually Three children in a trenchcoat. But it's really it's kind of upsetting to me. And i think that gets to. Why find this stuff so interesting is that it is upsetting now. Here's the problem though. Other ones as i know were real. This one far as i know is not real. I don't tom. Holland is a gymnast. But i don't these that small gymnast. We'll put this in show. Nuts is interesting. The so yeah. He's about tom. Cruise side three feet tall three feet tall. Because i don't think she. How tall is she alexa. How tall is zendaya. Five nine one five nine on the photo one hundred thirty five pounds. Statuesque is just very. She's very slight as my family. Used to say oh my god. Those an lettera shame. She's very attractive. But i just have to like think about wearing those. You mentioned this wearing those fucking heels and like you have to next to if you're into spiderman movie depending on where you check The the so what's happening is the announced Some casting for the next season of The crown and so the queen will be played by dolores on bridge which is awesome. And isn't that a name lady with the with the the angry mean pens. Not her now. I got ahead myself. i'm just very excited about. Make nutty your narrow. Irish ass is going to be prince charles and princess diana. We heard this casting. If you're following the crown like i do in the trades. There was the super cute girl in the last season. Who i just fell in love with a love that actress so much but And we heard at some point that this other actresses name is escaping. Me have been cast and that. She's very tall. So that's the thing. They're working with what i didn't realize is she's six foot three inches tall. The same height is brand of tariff. Which is tong. And who's other lady has been less. That's a fake. Well this does not real to me but can you imagine being six three and she does wear a ladies high heels sometimes so she's i think she's q. Imagine this to you yesterday. We're said i said you. Can you imagine being a woman who is six foot three inches tall. You just be running into stuff all the time and you just be and especially if you're like super. Let's be honest super cute like this actress. You must just get got that constantly. I'm walking and i'm here in california. Yeah that's well someone i. My cousin is six to a female female a birth person. Yes yes and she was like you know. I mean when i'm not wearing heels. It's fine but when i have to wear heels because she's a big fancy business literally a big fancy this she's like it's just like being in middle school all over again. You're not doing it as a power thing. You're doing it as a dress code thing. Like with vodka johnson johnson. If you've ever looked at her and those x. movies she's always in like a kitten heel because she sits leaf. She's six feet tall. Hugh jackman is six to. Even the wolverine is supposed to be five to baby a big fat baby. Well he's supposed to be five to you know and so that is me a little bit. That's right oh yeah. He's a little guy but because of his adamantine him he weighs actually weighs a thousand pounds though. Yeah i i'm not shaming i'm not shaming but i do want to talk about large people and why i find fascinating. I mean i mentioned to you i have. I literally can't count the number of friends. I've had who've not don't use the word that's like saying the n. Word that's the worst word comparing it to a word you can't say that's the worst word. Oh gosh. I hope. John mullany happy. He's a tall boy. Id to on google news that he's doing some kind of multi nightstand record-breaking multi stan. I hope he's happy. And i hope he's. I hope he's never canceled. I considered going to that show until america decided the pandemic was over. And then. I don't know what that noise was to quote unquote dumb chef from apocalypse. Now a movie elect quit sometimes. Because i'm a middle aged man and it can't use all the time. Never get out of the boat. That's my at this point. My feeling is never get out of the boat. I'm standing in the boat forever now. I'm going nowhere. Oh 'cause remember. He gets attacked by a tiger. No spoilers but he goes in the jungle there's a tiger and he gets freaked out and then jumps back in bonuses. Never get out of the boat. Never get out of the moon. I did i mean. I ordered the big boy Masks because you know. We don't know how i wanna make it We got a bunch of canned ninety. Five you're talking about We have a bunch of ken. Ninety five's but boy mask. Is that like the helmet you like to wear and funny photos. No that's a great one but no like the n ninety five osho proved I mean the. I'll be that guy in admit privately to my friend. I find it very difficult to pres in wall when we had the we're wearing them on the flight and i found myself across purposes like basically grabbing the thing off the bridge of my nose. And being like you know. Oh also by the way my friend nelson scrape host about seep of puna c. Pap machine dealing with the sleep apnea. I think i'm going to do it. Pretty oh interesting. i'll send it to you or put it notes nelson nelson read the script post about it and he made it sound like something. That's doable and includes a matt. How he liked way includes product recommendations which always gets my tension. I took you way off. What you're doing. I should close zendaya thing. That probably should be out now. I'd love i'd love. she's in. She's in the greatest showman she's like a trapeze growing. That i still haven't seen that. I'm you know what. I love wolverine and almost everything he he's in but he's a great oklahoma. We know you hate what story oklahoma though right west side story i do but do you like oklahoma. I for what it is. We're running out. Ice comes sweeping down the point. I love son. Heim is what i will say. He didn't write that. I know though boy the it's fine i watched. I watched all that jazz on a plane with the sound off. It was amazing. Oh i love that. I love that movie you ever seen. No i'm thinking of all that jazz. I'm thinking about directed by bob fossey about bob. Fosse starring roy scheider and ranking. And it's it's a very interesting movie. Is this hockey no no. It's it's basically about him his life falling apart and having a massive mess massive heart attack. And we've got like jessica lang plays an angel and it's it's very interesting music. The dancing scrape rush. Great showtime folks. Oh nineteen seventy nine. Yeah yeah yeah. 'cause he'd been directing a lot. He had Covers this in the movie through. Like sort of a ramana. Klay like editing. The lenny bruce movie you know. He did cabaret directed that i believe. Oh the pajama game. Damn yankee oh oh yeah. But that's back when he was a dancer he's dancing man tiny dancing man late and loafers dancing matter literal dancing. I still know. oh he was a choreographer. Wow that's just. That's his gig. Yeah and that's where mick. When verdon a playboy that lady in and he was he was sam rockwell in the show about them fosse verdon. Oh god old moves are crazy bone you up. We need to build you up on bob. Fosse wanna bone on bone up on. Bob fossey i. This is a man who can pull off of fedora. And there's like six people who can't do that it's interesting like he gets. He gets understanding. It's a lot of credit for that for that. Look in that pop in like a key understood that like this bowler hat could be. you know. sort of like a Not a fedora was safari. Flops mind you but like this This bowler hat and gloves and like in angles. You can create these really kind of outlandish high contrast things. But i also know for for example. The gene kelly deliberately wore me. Maybe fred astaire but definitely gene kelly. I believe war slightly high water pants with white socks and black shoes. So that you get you know what i mean. The shape the outline the pop of like seeing his body. Yeah yeah that. I don't know why i know that. I just fired addressed like bob. Fosse though he he's very into cuffs he'll do like a big cough with a boot for pants into a big cuff rolled up with shirt. And he's you're smoking. Smoking smoking all the time bob. Fosse russia is great in that movie. I am big cover. Big big undercover. i'm become for. I bought some stuff. That's very flaps but the shirts like spf fifty shirts. Because i burn like a baby weight. A t shirt that has like bilton. Uv protection yes but not a t shirt. They're more like someone's called fishing shirt or a beat shirt. But like if you go. Google spf shirked. You'll see these. And i always get those wanna travel needed some new ones. And they come with those kind of indiana jones style. Like there's a loop to hold your sleeve up. Oh i love these like you're dis- that belongs in a museum kinda thing you know. Well this also. I think would make me look as if i worked out and this this. This is anybody who does that. Looks kind of tough. Yeah yeah exactly. And it's like yeah. I might be a douchebag. But i'm not afraid to wear this public especially like one of one of them with the with the hoods. That's a hallmark of the douchebag is not being afraid to wear in public. It's true it's true. I took you off. Your point didn't i. I don't boomer what it. What did you were talking about your fancy news. Oh i was talking about why. I'm on zuma bunch. Because the hospital program i'm in is all over zoom because what i'm doing is considered. Is that still the case for you. Yes which is very high new listeners of dubai friday sabbatical from work for mental health things because bipolar and my brain chemicals. And we're great We're awesome during the pandemic not awesome better than normal during the pandemic but have. Oh yeah i mean. i'm. I'm becoming much more comfortable with admitting that i like the pandemic better. Yeah it's it's not even ifting. I'm going to try to cover up. No not not. There's there's there's of us us. Yes but and my brain started broke even more when i i lost my. I don't know if i've talked about it on this show like i lost my tolerance for like being stared out at my tolerance for slurs and for being ducks. And if you're listening please stop writing fag on our door or on our garage. Door is really hard to get off. Even though it's chalk it's really hard. I will pay you. i'm going to. I should tape twenty dollars to my garage door and say facts. only that'll work and anyway released suspected. Nobody's cancelling important events to make time to write fag on your door. I mean that's that's like a not particularly healthier busy person Well i mean kids aren't in school. So what else are we going to do. Is there an action. You feel is supposed to come out of that. Of what like are they is that like. It's not like it says. Hey f word you know get out of town in real threatening. Kkk way. It sounds like it's just a way to say like this particular door likes men. it is a kids. Being kids are probably particularly shit here then. Mostly you guys just stopped doing that. That's not a nice thing to do this. They should stop that honest thing to do. No no no the the like death threat. Things have have stopped. But i am man having a therapist. Just who knows what gamer gate is is like assure of the best. It's like okay see. That's so interesting to explain what is happening in my life. It goes back to twenty four in the far right is must be. it must be This seems like just tell you something you must already know which is that because it's maybe it's always been this way with. These generational divides where like for example. Take as recently as a few years ago least circles. I run and you're still having these huge debates about kids and screen time. And now i for one am like. Oh god. thank god for screens. Don't be an idiot like screens or how we do. Things like it always has been but now we have been forced to admit that. So what about you and your screen time. Does that mean like you don't do work over zoom anymore but your kid has to be you know what i mean is. That's up in your instance like if you you would want somebody on talking about you here but somebody your age could go in and say. Oh my god. There's this crazy stuff happening on instagram right. Now that's making me extremely uncomfortable and it's not cyberbullying you know because that's the term you learn ten years ago. I use it a lot. But like i guess call para social stuff but where it must be difficult to try and explain how just because you don't understand my life doesn't mean it's not my life. I know you think this thing is strange and exotic and easy to just stop using or whatever but that's not really fireable and it reflects your bias sees probably slightly from an agent class standpoint. But like you don't you don't get this. You know what i mean. Yeah if you're a forty year old man who's never worked in like attack or games. It's just not well. It's not something you've experienced but it's also it comes across as there must be something wrong with you. If you just talk so glibly about this like i. I don't know i don't mean it like that. I guess casually like things that were not that it's terrible. It sucks it totally sucks but unfortunately it is such a common thing like you used to During gamer gate. It was like you lost your death. Read virginity congrats. 'cause that's that's the way it was just the way to deal with. It is when there was no physical like there was some very like horrifying things where people were docked and you know trying to swat one another but you know the it's just horrible but Because anyway because i am on this sabbatical from work getting all my meds adjusted and it's been great Has been going since our last check in is it's going okay. Yeah it's it's a sorely concerning incident. What a month and a half ago. Something like that before. Yeah going okay. Now yeah i i okay calling it a nervous breakdown at this point because stop telling people what they can coal gonna get in trouble but no. I showed you when i say that. Photo of me. sending up a little desk in our quote unquote hotel room That was working on updating. My list of wisdom which i've decided is a project for me who and it relates to our project our senior challenge whereas you say topic for today I'm using that. I'm using that to put my. I'm wisdom list together and You know one of the things. I said that i really believe is something i have. Put it better than this. Because i'm a better writer than speaker. Fortunately for you guys then on something like You know be careful. How often you tell somebody that they're negative feelings are wrong because said people don't like being told there. Yep everybody likes you. What do you mean everyone likes you. Jerry who wouldn't love you know sh call you see the world wrong because it would make me sad doubt myself if you know what i mean. Stop telling people their feelings aren't real feelings are real put it on. I put it on. I put a gist of temporary popa gist. But i'm gonna put it fully in obsidian. Just i put things ingests. I've been doing the same thing but with like a a lot of the stuff for Like like i my my brain broke. I was like. I would like to be in a in a nut quite a hospital but i need to help. I need some help. Fixing the brain please. And i finally like my psych main a big boy psychiatrists was like. I think that you would be great for this program and this is the first time in my life. I've done group therapy where it's not where they recognized the outside world like the last time i was in group therapy. What was going on It was definitely a the iraq. War was definitely a still happening. We're afghanistan or yeah the who remembers these days. There's also like shootings. Bundy was like the outside. World didn't exist and there is a time and place for that when you're getting a physical or mental health But the a program that i'm in which is called. Php not the annoying language It's called a partial hospitalization program. Which basically means you are In therapy and working with doctors old age and in my case like especially brain The chemical chemical stuff But also the first time. I've ever had a thing where we like. I can't imagine going into therapy and not talking about kobe. And that is a thing. Apparently that people are still experiencing like in the sense of. They don't wanna talk. Therapist doesn't wanna talk about. No no no. It is discouraged from being talked about. Yeah i i realize. I'm not explaining this because it's just absolutely wild to me gives us of why. What's the scourge It is it is because no no no. There's there's the idea of well focus on you because you can't control the external world. Yeah i did not. I'm only being vague. Because i feel bad at talking about inexperience. What happens in. Php stays in php. Oh no that's the thing because it's like going to disclose anybody's personal information who's dachshund now. Yeah i know. I know you board and the harassment. I i will. We've talked about a decade ago. I was also voluntarily hospitalized and was like hey my mind bipolar brain broken help lease and it did not go well at all So i was a big scaredy pants. to do that again but it's been wonder- wonderful especially because my biggest. Ptsd thing is being like physically being at a hospital. Sure oh my god and that affects your the things in your hallway and stuff like that. So i had to be trigger. Ep no no and oh god. That's that's one of the best things we we recognize that triggering is a triggers. Are is a dumb way to say it. It doesn't make sense like it's not it doesn't make sense but it means something different now. Yeah no it's it is. It is a i mean. It's a bummer. That there's something guide sucks to be a word guy Yeah it really It's a bummer. That that's become the thing that liquid solve the roles and there's just more like well you think of it another way you know one reason. We don't use that n. Word is because that. That's a when you say that to somebody like you're you're re traumatizing that person. You know what i mean like. Yeah and i'm not trying to doing that. Sort of hitler. Come up with the goblins law thing here or whatever but now i just don't do enough to people that make them have to re-experience crummy stuff to happen to them like. That's a reasonable thing to do. I'm trying to figure out how to do it. I don't know. I'm trying to figure out how how to do that. In a way that's really useful is diff- deportivo. That's the thing it's hard because it is. There are very things their various things that are obviously upsetting to people like watching the news. I sometimes when was a little kid and you go to a disney movie and parents dodi. Yeah pretty much. Every movie. And like i i had a couple things you know kind of go the wrong way for me as a kid and i find that very upsetting I don't know if i call it a trigger. But i did not treasure going and seeing things where young boys father died it did not did not please me yeah. I can't imagine why you know. Watch no no. But i'm not trying to you know i'm not trying to be dramatic about it but that's the that's the you know what i'm gonna go therapist. You know how we do do the gender all do the the most labor thing of like saying that you will have. Ptsd all the time is like saying you're hungry all the time and also i didn't steal it so i came. I was thinking about this last night. 'cause i'm like no i don't actually have any ptsd. Because it's not my every waking thought. How am i. This is what it takes. No it doesn't take that because it's like saying you're never i mentioned it's extremely situational. Yes yeah which is why. I'm getting help for that. Because yeah that's a silly thing to think because there are degrees of everything just like there are degrees of triggers and The word that this program uses is like if something activates you in which also sounds super like directly under soldier. Yeah but it's like but it's also like both ways like someone who say is quite manic and talks really fast on a podcast because they've had some caffeine and also some clarity but or something that you realized was upsetting to you and you are like oh. I don't wanna talk about this in group therapy about it to my main person. It's also it's also hard for. I think for people to realize or accept. Oh god again well watch so much of the office in my quote unquote hotel room And includes the one where it's the one with the guy and the turban the it guy. And i forget what liz from a really good run at the office but michael saying something like what's your religion and the guy's like well i. I like to do this and i like to do that. And i like comic books. But you know i'm i'm a sikh because okay so he's a seek the point of what he just did was like trying to distill this guy down to the one like. How are you most different from me kind of way. But in that same way that we come up with one label for people. I'm not trying to sound deep. But like i think in the game another comedy. I recently where somebody said. I'm going to sue you. And you see you guys says you can't see me. I'm already being sued. That would be double jeopardy. Double jeopardy means us the joke. And that's why it's funny. Is that well just because you have one thing does mean you don't have another thing you know what i mean. It's it you can have in my case like realizing that. Hey it's not just that. I've got anxiety i've got anxiety and i've got depression and i've got I got some. And i've got other health problems. That are chronic. It's not you don't just have this one thing. And then i don't know i'm not sure if this is making any sense but not even trying to get to the complexity of dealing with a multi system problem. It's just more like you know. Hey we're all we're all really confusing balls of meat and you know there's just because you found the label you find most convenient for your sorting box does not mean that. I should feel compelled to perform away the conforms to that. And if that doesn't make sense to people i think that's not sad or not that there's a judgment against it but if you if the only communities you've been part of have that sort of you know rigid definition and you feel like you have nowhere else to go and i'm not even talking about queer community. I prefer people mostly biweekly them from the tribe. Right eight eight. Yes exactly like especially god i mean i feel for young dudes right now so much which is very problematic thing to say but anyway it's because people doing out brab ledge. It's like yeah you really want a key those long haller who like does that privilege is awesome. Let's use it so that were getting you know. Oh god the socials and just fully coming out. Oh you oh merlin also say. I don't want to sound like an ran or that. Sounds a little like mandarin. And then it then you say something. That's nothing like an rant too little credit anyway. Well i'm doing that. I'm partly doing that. Thing where i'm trying to preemptively. Excuse myself from people who deliberately try to misunderstand me which i should know is a fool's errand But sometimes i do it anyway. Everyone should follow my friend. Alison and one day. I am going to officially even though. I am personally acquainted with her and how hung out with her. I will eventually figure out how to pronounce her last name. But it's a ghost but she's such a good follow. I'm trying to get my kid to fall. And i think if you don't you should Let's see. I have to take some sexual harassment class for work as though i don't already know how to do it. Oh those are might be on this terrific. Ever notice that when you're single all ucr couples and you're a couple. There's a procession of spiders rats and crows the fall. You run until you wake up in such a great movie because it's about a bunch of hot dudes ticket in an app together instead of going to therapy would not gonna find for notes. Oh yeah nelson and asleep machine. That sounds like a children's book. I'm putting alison in here. I'm probably the wrong bit and you can throw back to me if you wanna do. The real bit about money ready. Okay okay Hey alex where where people find for up to five to if you do friday program. Oh i mean. I like to think of it as our our program together equally distributed. Do you can find the unicorn lady on to make me onscreen. Apparently the afterwards. Oh no no. Norma joking halo. No okay fine in the game game. Yeah if if you Don't want to just have a sims version of merlin man and you actually enjoy listening to this show. Every week you can go to where patriots on which is okay. I thought you throwing me for that. I was just. I was doing the other bit so you to do by friday. Yeah yeah tell shy. Yeah yes yes. Show no you know. I'm i'm oh gosh. Go to dubai fry. No what is it. Patriot dot com slash dubai. Friday or an easier thing to remember. Give us your fucking money. Dot com booking money duck dot com dot com for that. Yes and and it's joe rogan. Podcast club what is it. Yes in you just keep fighting setting nipples. I don't like to shame people about their bodies. But i don't know what are you gonna do. People should leave that. I got a lot of trouble a week or so ago for believing that when people are terrible. This is sometimes be told that they're terrible thing. I do a lot but do you think there are times. Especially if one feels as i did not instance a lot of hostility and the thing. I'm trying to teach my kids not to be a dick but to go like. Hey just be aware that there are people in life who are gonna try to push ron and get get you to be somebody whom you're not. You gotta be careful those folks. I remember when we all got in trouble for laughing. At the statue of trump. that had a tiny dick. And it's like okay. It's really fucking funny. And i still think about if i ever. We need to talk about your racism about micro penises. Yeah man made a butter a go-getter man guard man and it's because and it's because he it's i can't believe we we have a job. It's funny because this is something that one of the biggest believes in the world's is so self conscious about but still hate other people and thinks that manhood is defined by a deck. And like if i ever met him i would just say terrible slurs too because you can't reason with someone like that alison's video with the dogs in it. No oh you show too matchy. oh I'd like you to look at it. That's you i'm clicking. There's a new thing. I do want to podcast with somebody. I leave in the background. The messages with all the different people in it and then i click and open you in a new window and i have just you and the front and bigger than the others. Oh wait you can do that. Oh there we go so we don't actually send stuff to my family and stuff like that open conversation separate waiting to your friends when you realize your friends are talk toxic but you just have to get through this trip this week face to huskies on a bed powell balefully and a would you call that. Not a golden golden retriever. Smilin' got this. I got this dr. Did you see the dog. The dog at the laundromat. Did you see the dog who sits on the did. It has a friend. It has a friend i discovered. it's in san francisco. Like darth is not going to find out. But we were gonna go there. We're gonna see if you can go find the dogs at laundromat. Because i need those dogs. I love when places have dogs. I to oh absolutely absolutely can escalate to a silicon valley. Loan has a dog but nuance people. There could beat new just stallions. Oh god what's her name wart that her name gort gorge. I love her so much glasses on. My god Well let's see where we are. We should lawson time for some after show. I don't think we have time to get too far into large women. I just wanted to say all. I wanted to say apropos of nothing. I won't you see these. Large women lodge adult women. Because i think it's very interesting that they're so large and i just wanted to say that i've always had a lifelong fascination with with with well you know what it is growing up with the guinness book of world records. I was obsessed. With you. Know extremity i think oh that is robert pershing wad low. You know what. I'm saying. Robert earl hugh's later walter hudson you know the rotate. I believe in the mexican mexican girls who the woman who lived a doll. Remember her no no. I do remember the woman with the longest fingernails which ono i hated. That always upset me very nice. I mean i'm very impressed with her and her accomplishments but that is not. I was obsessed with walter hudson when i was in college. There's a parade magazine feature on walter hudson and my friend. Kristen i who were smoking. A lot of pot at the time became utterly obsessed with walter. Hudson and i can still tell you what he what he ate every day. Oh this guy yeah. What does family would go and get him food at mcdonalds. Therefore big macs for double cheeseburgers. Eight large orders of fries and a quarter coq au community to memory. I couldn't remember much about you. Know plato's republic. But i remember i remember that quarter coq. Au there's a lo-. Google lucia's what is it a yaser filling up right away images. This is a fascinating person is now. We're into some serious like ricky jay territory. Oh yeah this is she is. She was twenty. She was twenty four inches tall character from american. History is based. Oh is that right okay. now. I'm realizing that Walter hudson is probably the inspir- verb inspiration for bart bart's myself. Yes rag on his stick. I memorized the entire entire parade article. Essentially a friend and i. We had a fisher. Price pixel vision. Camera that i got and we went to the grocery store and did a short documentary on pixel vision of alternate eaten a day and he And so he would. He would read the bible and he would break his hair like is indian native american ancestors and they called him uncle pappy. They love him very much. Gosh i know that. I've truly stopped carrying if people are mad. Mad at me have you. Oh i have stopped carrying. People are mad at me but in thinking about being disappointed me pointing. Yeah that's the thing like just and so sorry for disappointing. People thinking that walter. Hudson is very funny and also that he's seeing not. I'm not saying that it's funny. I'm saying it's fascinating. Because no he feels like he lived his best life. The cancel comic. Who had the joke is that. It must have been louis c. k. Had the joke about like. I'm either going to have to lose a lot of weight or find a way to find this fascinating. He's just i. I'm like those twins. They billy bobby and billy you tongue but this guy just sounds i am fascinated. That was a photo from guinness book of world records. That's why that's simpson's reference. That is also a family guy. Reference that i didn't get until those little motorcycles together left a little tiny guy. Oh yeah do that in the simpsons to do do do that anyways. I'm just fascinated by extremity. And so you know you got sandy. Allan mentioned her split ends have a song about her because she's from new zealand. Do you have an arm. Think okay when. I say an arm thing I mean there are sometimes people with arms that khun tort in a certain way that some people find extremely upsetting and suma pro havoc no. I'm just glad arms funny to me. What did you have. You been watching. I think you should leave. What with the guy goes to the shopping mall. And he's all dressed up in the makeup. I've been banned. I have to ask to wait. I know but but what. I was watching late last night. I got a quote late. I'm trying. I'm trying to do things with my sleep but other like white lotus and i was just a i was going to mention that because oh my god i mean. I don't know if first of all i had no idea that that was the guy from survivor that he did. It all wrote it. Except for starring he wrote it produce it. he executive produced it. He directed the the guy from the famous gift. I share all the time. Good luck him with the glass of wine. Remember that couple of other people decide to go out searching. And he's drinking red wine getting a little drunk and he holds up all the glass. Glasgow's good luck mike white. Oh my god. The emotional labor like the stuff between jennifer coolidge. I'm only on episode. I'm part with episode three. My wife's recommendation. I'm on episode one. Oh good okay. But have you met jennifer coolidge yet. Yes and i. Every i cannot yet explain why i adore it owing weird. Well the guy from looking the guy from looking is amazing. Oh i know him from the casper movie. I think with the mustache Oh no wait. Who is he. Like concierge guy. Yeah yeah yeah the guy who's like the head of the concierge probably concierge. He um he was looking with with the king. George jonathan groff. They the show about the game in the castro and i think he is a real life game and also quitting my wife yes he is actually from australia so he's been doing all that stuff with the it's been american accents all the way down now. Here's real australian jillian accent. I love his character. I wonder that's see. That's why i'm excited about mcnutty. Like i won't get to hear his real accent but the woman launching the woman with disdain on her blouse and like like panic attacks. Oh my god she is in another show that i recently discovered Thank you mrs soup soup. Have you seen super store. Oh i've seen. I've seen like a little bit because my kids in the hall fan so it's also got that guy from It's got the guy got on the forms on it. All right okay. Yes yes. I it out of members. Famous madman scene where we're don says to. I never think of you. You remember that. Feel i feel bad for you. I don't think about you at all. That's what i think that's him. That's on the form. Yeah yeah yeah god. There's so many people who like snuck into madman to. How about how about the guy who i was never aware of until on becoming a god in central florida. The guy who plays what's her name's boss and he's also in community. He's all in one episode at least of community. We've gone back to community finally so good But you know the guy the guy the balding of big guy with the beard you don't talking about is also in. oh no one else. He's in he's in he's in shoot shoot shoot better call saul when jimmy at the bar and he meets up with his old partner the guy who does the twenty dollar bill on the bottle Love that actor. I didn't i had no place in my life. And now he's like well. I guess someone important leasing three things that i really enjoy but i love him in particular in all three of them so the episode of community where kim jong he gets fired because they learning never actually got to speak spanish lead on scary guard and he's working for that guy with a serious like minnesota accent wanted. A show is so goddamn funny. i'm. I'm actually now looking at jared harris who is a little obsessed. I just wow that guy. Oh that is one of the. There's a certain scene in a lane madman or end of actually like a whole episode. That is one of the darkest and funniest. Oh i'm sorry. Jared harris i apologize. I'm so sorry. I was confusing him with jerry from silicon valley. You're talking about richard harris. Sign to richardson. Son jared who is in trouble emad men and meets the same fate healing actor. I've ever known noticed. He's met same kind of odd fate in two different things. He's best known for really. Oh okay i thought you meant in real life. I'm like how do you remember. noble opens. No even the insure noble. Oh shit dog. I got another one. I all right well. It happens in the. I like the first seen. Oh my god. Did you watch becoming a gun. Central florida the. I got halfway through and then it disappeared from whatever or causes. Cast has been nana's. Th i always forget cody bonar. You remember the young guy who's like the The that go-getter. Oh my god he's a may. I think he's from quebec. I think he's totes like french-canadian. The guy i'm talking about named mel rodriguez and he plays ernie and he's terrific. Owing there's a skarsgard alexander skarsgard. He's a skarsgard to are. They all related night. Can't be his father's stellan skarsgard. He's dr Dr what's his name. Dr selvik he's dr celtics son from ventures who's also insure noble. You still guarded on talking about. No still scarred has a sunday. Alexander skarsgard yes. He's the vampire things. He hasn't done the main things he hasn't barred guard. Now i got nothing. Wanna put in notes. You might need to watch you. Emma can't well it must be in a good sport about it but shouldn't talk a school. But she doesn't apocalyptic things especially nuclear war things. Oh yeah especially when there's so many things going on already and yeah well second day of eighth grade today. Oh boy oh okay. Watch chernobyl a former ruin and that's in notes and we should probably get to our challenge. Because i'm already running out of steam. How long we've been talking this. Where audio hijack. where are you own hurrah. Hooray this challenge was too. I think i said crackup city. Just because i thought it was. That was funny. The the noting of the verbs because Yeah yeah it's it's one of the gay alien stones. Wouldn't i wouldn't put that on your linked in but only hours and i was jerk store called and they're running out of you. The obsidian is a note taking app. That all of the cool tech kids are are using. And i kind of thought. Oh this is going to be another notion where i try it and i'm like this isn't for me but the thing with obsidian is it is a note. Taking app completely built on a markdown files. Individual markdown files. So you can't other things. But like if you use unlike markdown. It's worth at least looking at and i'm sorry i totally interrupted you. I apologize go ahead. No it's just if you've been taking notes in simple text or marked down for a decade. It is an awesome thing to us and so far anyway. It doesn't screw them up. It hasn't for me. Like i tried to screw it up. I mean like. I remember like for example back in the day all my web starting in ninety five. I started doing all my web page building in bb at it and then not long after that. Some of the initial sort of z. Wig files or apps came along. I think starting with our page mill adobe page mill. You get eventually front page by microsoft. Got remember these tarim lever lever. Oh my god i dream. Weaver had one where you could do. Access databases with it. Use the expensive one. My my my you fancy eyesight when i steal. I still well. Yes but the problem was though especially with front. It would put so much garbage and you to be so cool because with some of these including and i wanna say go live you can do is call round tripping which is very novel at the time which is you could build this stuff by hand mostly by hand. Bb at it and then you can make changes. You know what i mean. You could like the sounds insane because it was a different time but like having a file open even or only just into apps was either unheard of or one of the worst ideas you could if two people were accessing the same file. Macri databa- database. It might get corrupted so the idea of having this open in bb at it as it's open in another app would cause all kinds of clubbers to happen and confused both of them very much. So what i'm getting at here is like and so i. That's one of those old lessons learned. Don't don't mix these things up like pick one but Now on a mac. There's so much like that. So you could. I have so far not run into a lot of kloppers or mess ups it does unfortunately when it sinks it only sinks like when you open it. Does that like apple notes annoying thing. It's not really sinking in the background. Right yeah which. Oh i'm gonna get yelled at if you use obsidian sink it does which is there like proprietary. I'm just using. Oh yeah. I did that. I'm paying for that. Oh it should sing in the background. I play no matter what i buy. They want me to buy more things. That's one thing encouraging me. I'm already like a silver tier guy for stuff Catalyst thing. But i love that. I love that you to pay for it. I i got on. I don't know how this happened. But i got accepted to the sought after glass app today. I didn't really care. But i thought i should sign up. It's like your number seven thousand. I guess i don't know somebody who are is nice. Let me in. Thank you but the first thing i did for even opened the second i open at i paid for it like i like giving people money for software. That's the thing i like to do. Especially if then that lets other people who can't afford that software still use it and i don't even need a reason. I just like you know i mean. I wish i can't tell you. How many copies of wizards. I don't care if you like it or not. I like it gets. How many copies of wizards first album. I bought something. Just because as i said with amy jan group or something just don't want to go to a different room to like get it. I'll just by it again. Like i'm so happy. I'm so happy to give jonathan the money even if i didn't like jonathan colton anymore. Still buy albums. ted leo. Always gonna buy stuff you know. Spot the junior from tennessee virginia. A couple of weeks ago from band camp. I love giving money to indies. It makes me happy. Have you heard of the show about the show. I'm trying i'm trying. I'm pausing to try and understand the bit. it's not. I'm just curious. I'm literally just curious about okay because it sounds like a bit. It doesn't i'm putting a but okay. But the i dunno i. We've we've kind of always talked about well. You have always talked about Just having everything live in plain text because it's easy to find it's fast easy it's portable. It's forgiving yes. It's it's it's just It's one of those things where like everybody needs to find their little system for stuff and that's my little system and i was trying to think about this in like i. Guess what can i. Well kinda jump in for real quick on something do you do it i am. This is literally a challenge. Because i wanted to hear you talk about. Oh no i mean. I don't have that much to say. But a i had discovered this you talking about it and i feel like the sparks talked about a lot but the way the i mostly i opened at once went okay. I'm not really sure this feels like one of those. I don't mean this as disparagingly as it sounds almost just should on the spot with a better word than junk drawer and everything. This isn't like an app. This is kind of like this. Once to be sort of like a devon think or a curio or one of those like john dickerson apps or one note. We got everything in one place. And i'm naturally you little bit skeptical. I guess the word is about those kinds of apps especially if they know locked up your stuff especially if they're varyingly good or bad on different platforms. You know what i mean. I'm always like there's just a lot of stuff right. Played with those in the past. Do end up going back to text files. And i'm not saying that at some kind of flax is just that basic markdown in textiles really does work for me and i love the idea of stuff like a personal wiki and things like that but also like every bit that i add to this desperately. Pure system is something that could break in the future. I mean the most catastrophic thing i run into and surpassing rare. These days mostly is dropbox mixed copying says. This is a conflicted version of this with that. That's the biggest problem. I get with my system now and so again i. I don't have to go all the way back to page mill to know that you can really screw yourself up but You know the thing that got me interested in it. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk him up again Pity we did not think to invite this man onto the show this week. If you're listening. Gabe from mac drifter are single. Handedly the one that got me excited about this single handedly. You're the only one who got him so glad it's blog is back so good what are you. What are you siracusa. What's i'm sorry clo- man. Oh no his writing about it. And i just i just wanna say as long as we're passing in passing is that i'm very very glad that gave his writing metro again. I can't even tell you the the the i'm not gonna name names but let's just say that over time there's a real positi a real lack going on in my rss feed as more and more people have basically just given up and turn it into ads for other things do or their sponsors. It's like i'm down to. I mean i'm based i'm almost down the to that i really look forward to not solely everybody not your knickers but dr driving and gabe gives favorite person writing a blog. Right now he's great. He's so good his his metro. It'll be a notes He's really really good. He's just he he ends up he has there's to people like in the last little wild that i really identified as if i started noticing. I'm starring and marketing as unread a lot of one person stuff. That's a. That's a sign. That i really look forward to what they're doing and gave and dan morin Dan on six colors. Mostly those those two people were like. I can't believe how. Often i either favorite marcus on red or put into instant paper and like return to dan dan through all of this. Ios fifteen and you know latest cycle since wbz. He's been my favorite writer on that stuff. Gabe just always. I think we must be somewhat. You know in a caress or grand flynn. Because he's just always. He's more technically adept than i am. And he uses like he can do python things and i can't but you know i just want to say gabe because i think useless in the show i gave somebody told gabe i love him and and i'm really grateful wrote about this. But he had three posts. I think i highlighted in our document. Here where The those right. Oh yeah. they're mexico for more than just like. Oh this is another cool thing. He can waste today on like he really talks about like. This is how. I think you should do a theme. This is the plug in. He doesn't say this isn't one of those shovel where shovel blog things of. Just like the top. Thirty five trixie. They know the top fifty and plans for upset. And i understand better that wrong our best. Dvd rippers dvd. She thinks dvd fat. But it's interesting that you pictures of the top. Juno the and break can ripped straight off a dvd now. I did not know that. I thought you still had to do make i. Oh i see a trying to rip us trying to rip some. Setv yesterday didn't go grow. But i was able to. You can just use hamburger you just pointed. I didn't i knew because i feel like it used to be make. Mtv plus handbrake the hamburg took the dot whatever dot e. s. dot mtv or whatever so that was done then. I don't know it's still easier to steal directly anyway gave. I'm so. I'm so happy that i'd rather than just stealing off my libraries. Dvd's but hey gabe. You made me excited about this. Isn't he good. It's so well just just the angle he comes up things got. He's very he's very sensitive. He's very sensible in focused. And i like his style of writing and i liked that one one of the million reasons. I would choose not to block a lot these days. I know i would find myself constantly doing what we do on the show which is incredible annoy which is constantly like. Oh you're going to put bu-but just you know the bu-but bobino about this. As but buddha ira with abandoned in two thousand four and now today mostly be throat clearing about. Please don't be mad at me. I the patrick swayze timothy softest. He'll so just comes at things with a. You're you're right there's no throat clearing but the things that are bad he just i. I truly don't. This is the kind of writing from a different time but not problematic way. Just having a pin. He'll go. I like this block. Bird i like this blackbird theme. I think that's the good theme. And you can also copy text off blackbird from get hub and you can use at the test your themes done out boom handy cool plugging you know. He likes the met. Edit plug in. that's gotta know and the temperature like he's not going to go through like a million. He thinks that but he does say template or is the one that makes this thing go i i mean i i really don't know the the isn't the last thing he was the last thing he posted. maybe about. We'll see obsidian template or wait a minute. I didn't see this. Oh shit. I hadn't seen this yet of city temperature fun because i need to. Can you make a menu with templates. How do you make of just a like like surly view disa- recite including bb at it. Back in the day. How do you how do you can you make menu for like a section. I think you can. But i'm still probably through templates because when i put templates saying that makes it as it's like basically like pace values essentially it's not getting it doesn't retain it's a template nece there's a built in template where it where it's just insert template and it doesn't it's fine i n but i believe the template plug and i grabbed the template. I've so many plug. Have you played with the mind map yet. Yes because my matt mind. Map works with h is and it works with bullets. And it's so fucking cool so you have a section of like an h. one here's h h h threes. Right you keep it keep it hierarchical but then did you notice. It also works with like. I know you're a dasher and i'm bullet. Her among estra soccer but like it will also work with i'ma dasher because dasher dumb. No no no. I prefer estrin now. I'm a dash because it gets confused with bold versus italic. And i'm realizing i probably should become a dash. I've always been an asterisk. Or i've never really been a big highlighter. I usually for own but for like Emphasis versus Strong oh yeah just in. Just in jenner i. I don't know how i am. I love and attala. I love it emphasis. Gosh the first email ever to gruber is about. I disagreed with handle who has written gruber. I was your accusa. I keep all of them. I don't think i've ever deleted in email. Actually i'm there. I don't believe many on purpose. The how'd you accidentally so we got obsidian and it's it's it's it's pretty powerful. It does a lot of stuff and it doesn't so far anyway doesn't step on my existing system right so there's this rant that nobody needs to hear from me and i don't really need to offer about like i used to get this perceived blowback of like. Oh my god. Why do you have ha. Why do so many calendar apps on your phone and because people do say that sometimes and it frustrates me won't sink like as long as it's sinking. I can use anything. I want like. Why would i not want to have different sized screwdrivers. Even though they're all just screws. It's like having one clock. I i mean i'd like one box. We already have a box don't you. But so what that means for me is like i'm still. I've still got a crack the night on i ask taurel Feeling on drafts but as previous stipulated paper files here on a mac. But you basically. I you know. I think i asked you about this. I forget but i just basically i did just so i signed up for all the things doing the sink and then i i just pointed it so a little confusing because there's vaults and collections and i can't seem to figure out how to get out of my obsidian help library folder on my mac but that's bad on me. Oh just the bottom left. no. I can't figure out how to move it so that i don't have all folders and it would recreate it but i see what you're saying. I have not been focusing on using this rather than figuring out how to configure it and make it work because happily it does mostly work. The main thing. I've run into which is not a problem at all. Totally understandable is that not all plug ins work on all platforms. So i still figuring out how to use markdown. Pretty fire even though. I'm looking forward to using that basically like roll your own. Oh you know like lint or anything where you like you seek code standards or certain ways that you like tabs et cetera. you can do a lint style thing but no but mostly it it really does work So the thing. I was going to say that is not required at all but i just wanted to share this with you because i was trying to figure out like especially with the junk drawer app or an everything app like how to philosophically approached that in a healthy way. They don't mean. I'm telling you this what we because i want to hear it. That's why well so what. I'm trying to decide whether this is a thing that i want to spend some time on. Not whether i'm going to go all in and adopt it. Like what am i forty. I don't do stuff like that anymore. But i asked i three questions. It's always three things with me. What's the what is this thing. Potentially offer that. I that i need that. I know i need. But i don't have rate so sometimes you're really attracted. This is the classic story. I feel like what to do or task managers of like i. None of these sink. Used to be the problem and now all this went sinks well of course it was that that the kind of sketchy guy from poland to his releasing new dot dot releases of that. Remember that guy back in the day competing with omni focus and he would have like a release a couple of times a week and he added sinking in like over a long weekend but fell apart and he balanced disappeared. Remember that. I think that might offer mania. But what do i need that. I don't have we'll sinking. Would be great. Would be an old one or like currently like a way to my the way i would state this is to be able to continue using a or the task paper app on my mac and still being and then being able to do stuff on i phone which sounds easy except less. I check the paper up on. Ios was not good. And that's why i'm still using aditorial. Instead of all drafts visit needs to be a free floating. This is an actual text file. It can't be inside of a soup. Great or says number one is like what do i know. I know or think i need that. I don't have and the corollary. What is this potentially offer that. I didn't realize i need. i think. That's the real harmfulness with these is going in and like instead of just how do i make this a slightly different version of what i had before as you and i think we've talked about this. How do i learn how this wants to be used. Like how do i learn. Instead of trying to impose my own will on this you know. If you're gonna use like back in the day thirty seven signals op. You've got to go into it thinking a little bit like jason freed to get the most just a little bit. Well that's that's a famous line. I believe from friends. Mike montero when he said that all these out something along these lines. It's actually sounds like more so than i would say. So i'm probably paraphrasing. He said all of the thirty seven signals ops were perfectly as long as you think executive jason. I mean it's not. That isn't even meant to disparaging backpack remember. How good backpack was a low backpack. I well i just didn't really use it. I saw it being used and was like oh this is their main whatever. Base space camp was up there. That's their thing. And now they just. I don't think they're even thirty seven signals. More think they're called basecamp and hey but then they got cancer. I've already forgotton. Okay okay third question question okay okay. Then the third question. I'll be good got really badly. Let me see if something's happening. Oh talk about latency. There's something that matthew watched tonight which reminded me a lot of what you're talking about today. and i i just sent you a couple of photos or tried to you. Oh that share sheet sure looks different right now as in okay. That's a bug Oh dear it no you fix safari but everything else come out. Alex is alex is sending me a photo. Apparently i'm trying. I'm trying so hard. One is that given the current system that mostly works. What might this new thing. I'm trying screw up. And is it a script that would be recoverable. Alex stone flip. This isn't my phone. You do this to me like why this control him. I feel like we have such clear. Live with this. I created a very clear boundaries with you about how critical it is that you not become an unintentional security hole bringing stuff into my life that i can't have in my life and you watching my presentations you. You're banned. you're banned from ever watching okay. I've done all of that fifteen years ago. But i wasn't well i just heard wearing. Let's well. I heard. I love evernote and i was like. Oh man we all remember the one where you Gosh i think there's one where you can make your own ice cream with it. You could get that one more like up for ipad where you could flip flop on your ipad to give yourself a quiz on something god us and so it was really good but But textiles been as really good a really really light i. This is a super interesting app. And i do not see reason why i would stop playing with it. It can be a little bit of a time. Sink for me But i i'm starting to see ways that i could see benefits from this especially if especially if as with a sync calendar i have nothing to lose by using my existing system. You know what i mean. That's me is like that's why wouldn't you if it's just another thing that you can use when you need to. You know you unleaded gas works in any car that takes unleaded. Gas and textiles are my unleaded gas. Ooh that's good as a matter. How fancy the car is. I mean you know. I always get the low octane. Oh that's so good mclaren relax. So that's that's obsidian hour and eighteen minutes for obsidian more is so many plug ins do. So many plug ins. There's just one thing i mean. Everybody administers who seem to have no. I learned about from gabe. It's so goddamn cool weird name for like here's imagine like in. Css you might come up with a package where like you can similarly format notes like for example like in a book like an old riley book. There's a seminal similar format to not a call out but like you know interesting features box might say at the beginning whenever you see this note with the exclamation point. I these things ammunitions. Are these things where you can have. Notes warnings dues. It's essentially applying something like a comment and you can nest them. Go look up admonitions. There really cool. This already does a cool. Oh i oh my you can make your own two with colors and stuff. But and that's why i don't really care that it's an electron app because obviously we. I guess but the apple. The community like native apps are awesome. And there's no way that a lot of people have an opinion on how we're talking about this on them melissa. Atp atp and really. i've been covering a lot of similar ground. Input doing a great job on both and they were talking about the. Oh you know. This is the one password dust stop. that's what it was. Oh yeah man. It was like. I'm bummed about that too but they're not committing a hate crime like at and and well. I have not listened to all of that. But i trust them to have a level. Of god's goodness is real. Good i hope it. I hope it all gets worked out. I mean but i often have different opinions about how in-app should be made or what it should look like. And so far like every fiddling i've done with obsidian has had no negative consequences and some we benefit from that similarity Do you have it on your iphone by any chance. Yes how do. I get rid of the right menu pain. 'cause on mine i should send you a photo screen-grabbed it just takes over almost all scream. I don't know cannot figure out how to make it go away. You know what. I mean like how you've got the three nut three pains but on the left you've got for example your file explorer all the buttons. And on the right you've got that like menu pain of like yes all the stuff. I don't go away as making me crazy. Okay so you mean like it's popping up every time some screen shot of this. I'm confused. well this is. Like i don't can i tried sliding but sliding left to right just brings over the left panel. Oh then i'm thinking of something else. Because i this you can see on anyway. Not sure notre circus. Now you're monkeys. You're not my lonnie. I'm seeing your city in line. What's happening outside. This very gearless. People have moved into the building. I don't. I don't have beef with them right now. But they are very gearless. What the fuck is this. Mrs smith phone. I know but i the says the right person you got no. I've never seen like so. Is this what opens. This is the default of what opens. It must not have a plug in then. Because i always have it set to just open to know file open which i'm going to change okay. I we should go soon so we can still have a show. I'm very tired. Oh wait what. I saw. Go back to relearning about cost and which is such an interesting idea. I don't understand it. It's what's your name was leah came up with that But it's a very interesting idea. But you know i'm gonna give this my okeydokey just because i think it's you can go download this up city and thought. Md you play with it you know. It's it's easy to be overwhelmed by all the functionality of what it can do none of which you have to do. But i mean for example. Just stuff like understand like have split. This pain the way. I want like imax styler terminal style split this pain put the mark down on top vertically and then put a mind map below vertically. I don't know. I think that's pretty sharp. And i mean. I knew you know that you have ten thousand textiles in a single. Not that many but alive the well i i. I've never saved show notes variety of my shows don't know why there's earn i'm trying to figure out how to like scrape everything to get all of them and like it but it's super cool now did just feels like the envy days and a god. I'm such an apple boomer cells in two thousand one hundred twenty one the o wanna talk about afghanistan. Yes got those. That was the bell. That was a good no. No i can't make a joke about it. No no Called the graveyard vampires. They call it. I i don't that's what i call my but oh wrong. Fields keep going. Keep the wrong This is how come town usually lance where they're just saying things until it's funny Call isn't that terrible terrible podcast there. I'm not nice you me. Listen to it We've got nelson cpap alison. Good dogs. did everything else. I wanted to talk. Oh oh yeah and you see a photo direct photo that that's in the dock right now. 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Top 10 Movie Musicals and In the Heights

The Big Picture

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Top 10 Movie Musicals and In the Heights

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You're getting a combined serving of fruits and vegetables with vitamin c b vitamins and eighty milligrams of natural caffeine from t. v. Eight plus energy gives you steady energy you can feel good about part is the power plants with. Va plus energy power up. I'm shawn fantasy. I'm amanda events and this is the big picture a conversation show about what we do with ninety six thousand today on the show. We are discussing in the heights. A movie adaptation of the tony winning lin manuel miranda musical which is now in theaters and on. Hbo max. we will also be sharing. Our top five favorite movie musicals and amanda will be singing every word of this episode. Here you go. Amanda take it. You think that by joking you'll get me not to do it like it's just. I got numbers for every single. Musical on. This list of real issue is that i also had some dance moves that i'd like to communicate. This is not a visual medium. So just imagine a lotta jazz hans. Just throughout this podcast. Because i'm having a great time. The amena groove sort of like the body shimmy shake move that you do know people can't see that but it happens on once every two to three episodes so maybe we need like a word that indicates that amanda is mid dance. What would that word be. I know dance break dance. Break going forward the asset. Let's talk about an heights. This is a a huge movie this year. It's one of the most anticipated movies of the year. It's been tabbed as an oscar contender. It is of course based on a very successful musical that ultimately led to hamilton. This is Show that lin. Manuel miranda's wrote With kierra allegra. Who does before hamilton. I saw this show on broadway. And i wanna talk about that experience but let's talk more specifically about the movie. I john m directed this movie. This is his first film since crazy. Rich asians portrait of one hot summer on a block in washington heights. It's about a cuban and dominican and puerto rican and black residents of this neighborhood and it's about heritage in general division and young love. Ambition what you think of in the heights. Had a great time we can talk about the aspects of the movie and what works and some things that don't work you know i wouldn't say it's perfect in the sense of the energy and beam back in theaters and there is as you said a community aspect to this and a bit of a party aspect to this and it's like big and it's spectacle and i did get swept away especially in the big numbers and these. Are you know. I love these kinds of movies. We'll talk about that as well at great length but i think it really does successfully communicate the the energy of of these characters and of this washington heights community. And and the musical itself yeah. It's a very challenging format. We don't get a lot of great movie musicals these days. We still do get a lot in fact this year. We're getting quite a few but it's hard to pull off a big top mainstream movie musical right now and i i'm not. I think we'll probably figure out why we think that's currently the case. This is the closest. I've felt to getting swept up in the way that i have historically especially in the nineteen fifties musicals which i love so much it really is. It feels very indebted to those films. Those kind of technicolor films while also obviously modernizing them in a big way. There are a couple of show stopping numbers in this show. That are undeniable. I do think the movie as a whole is a pretty mixed bag. I think there are some aspects of it that are are incredibly involving and then there are others. That really dragged for me. I think that's true of most studio produced musicals. Honestly i as i went back this month and i looked at a lot of these movies. Almost all of them are two and a half hours and you know the old the the the over sized movie musical is what is largely attributed to like the introduction of the new hollywood. It's those like you know bloated. You know aspirational prestigious. Kind of you. Know ripped straight from broadway. Movies that in the late sixties. That led to this incredible outgrowth of seventies filmmaking but when the show is heading i think particularly when the anthony ramos character in the most rare characters together. I was like this is as good as some of the most classic stuff. So i mean let's let's talk about the the movie itself so new. It's a movie that is effectively about four key characters in this neighborhood was knob. Who is a shopkeeper century runs. A bodega who's desperate to return to the dominican republic where his family is from where he was born where he wants to open a sort of beachside market Vanessa who is the love interest of snobby. Who wants to move away from her job. At a local salon moved downtown to be in new york city designer. There nina who is a student at stanford who has left washington heights whose father runs a livery taxi service who really wants great things for her daughter and then there's her love interest. Who is benny Who really wants needed to be with him but wants to preserve the neighborhood but seems a little bit at cross purposes so of these four characters. It's it really feels like this was a little bit different from them. Using the musical i for me. I the was in vanessa story. I thought worked beautifully. And i did not think. The nina and benny story worked terribly well and felt very tacked on at times. Did you feel like a sense of balance between the two. No i mean it's this. Is anthony ramos show. First of all it's he is so good in this movie and he has the presence and the verve and just makes it all seem natural and exciting. And i think kind of one of the underrated aspects of a musical performance is the ability to make what is just admittedly. It's it's a sentimental. How about that art form. I was going to say corny. And they're like corn. You have to give your feelings over to it but someone who can make you feel completely normal and not ashamed of giving the feelings over to it and be like this is. This is great. Let's just put it all out there. And he absolutely does and so when he's onscreen like good luck to everybody else and that's not fair. Actually because i think he also in like the the large group numbers down sample. Numbers really does bring everybody with him to the energy but he is absolutely leading the show. So yeah i guess they were shoved to the side. I did not see the stage musical. This was my first in the heights experience. And i guess. Because i wasn't comparing it as much it's like okay. Well i get get from these people. I was honestly just like is that. Corey hawkins yes. That is that he was like musical. I mean a singing and dancing. I like great for him. So it's a little bit kind of what you know and like what they give to you you know. This is a portrait of like a neighborhood and people out of blocks so you learn what you learn about them and you learn very quickly who the star of the show is. yeah. I completely agree. It's a major star making performance for ramos. Who you know people have seen an of course. Hamilton and the star is born and a handful of other films but this is a above the title. This guy is now someone that we hopefully will be seeing a lot more movies going forward. He has a A very casual charisma. I would say to very natural very The thing with musicals is there's an effort fullness that you can see in someone who can't quite communicate that corny and his is is It does feel effortless in a lotta ways and So i really liked him. I was. I thought both corey hawkins who plays benny in leslie. Grace who plays nina were both good in the film. I just think that a lot of times. They're story bagged the film down a little bit on the other hand. I do think that the supporting performances are really really good i think. Data ruben vega as danielle is fabulous as the salon owner. She has like kind of a big centerpiece performance. And then kicks off kind of the closing major number. And then jimmy smith my beloved jimmy. Smits who i just i. I've i've never seen jimmy smits in anything and thought anything other than this guy is just a man. He is just a big open heart of manhood and he plays kevin rosario who is Nina's father who is delivering taxi service company owner. Who is kind of a he end. An ordinary day is our the sort of generational figures who were indicating the two previous generations who had emigrated to this country and try to build lives for themselves built families for themselves and we kinda see the world through their eyes them through the the eyes of their children and both he and olga are so terrific. In this movie. I found myself wanting to a little bit more of them. Honestly and a little bit less of of benny nina. What did you think about the other members of the cast. Just jimmy smits shows up and he. He doesn't quite totally sing right. He's doing hawks singing in the first number. But you're there like oh my god. It's jimmy spins and he's like singing and he's a part of this. It's really delightful and there is also we'll talk about this specific numbers but oga. Mary's has has done number. Certainly the emotional of in the heights and it is interesting that it is like the the elder generation who get stat moment. But i think it's very funny outline listed all the performances and then you just wrote oscar question next which is like i do you think a good point and if you call that you call it now but yeah because she will compete thanks. You will definitely compete for an oscar. she does. She gets to perform fe. Which is kind of like you said. One of the biggest one of the. I also one of the numbers that i think is the most The necessitates filmmaking. You know it's it's it's a performance in a sequence that kind of transports you through time. Literally she's on the subway at a certain point when she's delivering it. It is the most cinematic i think. That and the pool sequence which is a word ninety. Six thousand is performed with is sort of like this busby berkeley musical number. The chew has organized that is really fun and really exciting and incorporates. Basically the whole cast the film when those kinds of sequences are happening. I feel like this movie is fantastic completely involving and completely worthy of the big screen. You know it's like yeah. This is a real like if you can go to a movie theater to check it out. I would encourage people to do it because it will be way better than just sitting on your couch and kind of picking up your phone every ten minutes because it's it's it's bright. It's beautiful the production design the costumes. Incredible everybody's hair is incredible in this movie. No there's something much more it feels touchable in a way that a lot of other movies don't What else what what. What were there any other shows or songs. Doug a few marceau daego. Which is you know. The salon number is sort of the traditional. All the women getting ready or you like. There's one of these in every musical which i really enjoy. But this was a particularly fun. One in large part. Because of daffy ruben vega as as you mentioned and also there are a little flourishes throughout the movie they use animation but in this particular case they just make all the whigs salon. Dance like backup from time to time. It's just little notes like that where they're having fun and also just like a lot of people altogether it. It is a great post quarantine movie in that sense of. It's just it is about people in the streets all dancing simultaneously. You know there's the choreographed it's so. I really enjoyed that one. Let's see you mentioned the pool number. Oh yeah the carnival dope aria sort of big street number in the in the second half. I'm sorry if i'm not getting all the musical like sequence reference. It's great i. Because i haven't seen the original musical but it's it's towards the end and it reminds everyone like the power of the community and brings all of the different people together and is really fun and it's just like a party. Yeah i think ninety six thousand paciencia fe and carnival. Del barrio look bigger and feel bigger and they did on stage in the heights is was not a show that i like very much. If i'm being honest. And i don i think a little bit of it was the way that it was presented to me. Which was this was bef- well before hamilton. When people were explaining lin-manuel miranda's somebody who brought hip hop to the musical format. I think that was not. I wish i had not heard that before. I saw the show because it created an expectation in my mind. And actually i think my my sort of mild reaction in the heights. Set me up well to sit down and hamilton. A little skeptical about it and then to be completely blown away. We talked about that when we talked about the hamilton movie adaptation that was on disney plus last year. But this show is. I think it's just a little bit hit and miss. Some of the numbers are incredible. Some of them are a little flabby when the sun goes down in particular the sort of like singing on the side of the buildings when we start to see like the skyscrapers tilt is getting to create a kind of like fred astaire and ginger rogers moment in this movie that really did not work and i was just really anti-albanian nina. You're not having an i was. I was like oh you're trying it. It's nice young. love that to me was not new. York wasn't about their performance is though is this kind. Where the filmmaking failed. I'm a little bit where it doesn't work as well as some of the other big piece numbers and also you know it arrives around like the one hour and fifty five minute mark and i was like. Can we get with this big romance here. You know when. Is this going to wrap up because the movie is. It feels a little long to me too many ballads too many ballots. Just there are too many ballads and then sort of mid tempo. Let me tell you what's going on with me in a musical form. That will be recognizable to anyone who has seen hamilton which was interesting for me right. I had never seen in the heights but very familiar with hamilton. All culture consuming individuals are and you can hear where he's figuring out the things that will come like schuyler sisters song you can hear some of the rhythms you can hear the practice versions and that's like rude to say because listen. I can't write a song at all previously discussed on this podcast but hamilton is like the great achievement and so sometimes in the down moments or in like yet another valid. The energy of the ensemble scenes is so big. That i just wanted other. I don't wanna down moment. I'm just like keep going. Keep going keep going. Which is i guess. My internet generation. Just like. give me another set-piece give me another set-piece but yeah it's it's a little shaggy. But i i don't know i liked it when they danced on the side of the building. I think one of the things. That's fun about it is. It is a little bit of like a It's not a sequel necessarily but it's a it's a it's a relative of hamilton and a few other ways which is obviously lin. Manuel miranda originated the role of a snobby. He's in this movie as pure guero the paraguay guy who sells you know the of icees on the street. He has a funny showdown with mr softness. Certain point you know if you lived in new york at any time which you and i did. It's just very knowable tangible version of new york that we've occupied i've been washington heights many times it. I wouldn't say it looks exactly like washington heights. That's not the point. It's a movie musical. It's meant to kind of elevated and more colorful version of that lifestyle. Christopher jackson played george washington and hamilton actually plays mr softy in this show so there are these little dashes of of connectivity to hamilton which make it more fun there's a very What did you make of the kind of dramatic tension of the movie. Did you feel like the story. Worked beyond the the kind of glamorous n. and beautifully designed musical numbers because we get these big scenes with jimmy smits and nino we get the big scene with who snobby mark anthony who plays his his uncle. I believe well. How do you feel about the more High-tension emotional elements of the movie. Fine it's a musical. It's a soap opera. I knew that. That's what i was getting. That doesn't bother me at all. I like it is a little bit as you said like the be. Romance liked very much for the record. I was very sweet when they turned the thing sideways. And they're having a nice moment. But yeah it's i want wanna stay thin but they don't spend a huge amount of time on character development or three broad strokes. That's that's fine with me. I still got a sense of who these people were. I was rooting for them. I knew exactly what was going to happen before it happened. I'd never seen this musical. I knew what was coming after palencia but like that's okay. I was still moved by it. Like it's it's fine it is. It's it's broad strokes as many musicals are i think it's a it's it's generally speaking of successful movie I think we both recommend it. It's the the i really in what feels like a pretty major year for musicals. So you know we know about west side story steven spielberg's forthcoming re adaptation We've got derive an hanson. And everybody's talking. About jamie and speaking of lin manuel miranda has to'real debut tick tick boom that the trailer for which just premiered this week. Why why is it a year from musicals aside from the pandemic like movies rolling over twenty twenty one like what. What do you think happened here that we're getting five or six mainstream studio produce musicals hamilton. Yeah that's in one word hamilton. It was extremely successful. People made a ton of money off of hamilton and it proved that there with the right marketing. There can be like a lot of attention in this form again. I think that really misunderstands basically everything that makes what hamilton is and i am including talent and vision and inventive s from len. Manuel miranda's first and foremost but so we'll see about everything else. But you know this is how hollywood works one thing works and then they just xeroxed four thousand of them. Yeah what do you make about of in the heights and oscar contender in general this year. It was tabbed early on. Obviously john shoe there was some buzz. Similarly for crazy rich asians film was released. Similarly a summer movie a crowd-pleaser this is going to be a major crowd-pleaser at crazy rich asians ultimately did not get very much oscar love. Do you think this movie has a chance. These still don't do very well at summer. Movies and summer crops lasers it's there's something snooty about it but if you release it at christmas then everyone's like oh sure what its recently. I assume we'll see on the flip side. We're not gonna predicting anything about the astros anymore. So who knows yeah. it didn't. It did have me thinking given that. They just announced the march twenty seventh oscar. Date that that is. It's far far away from now. That is eight nine months from now. So we'll see. Let's talk about musicals more generally Movie musicals more. Generally it occurred to me last night. I missed the theater. You know not to sound like a complete clown. But it's been a long time since i've been in the theater. Not a movie theater but the theater living in new york. You get very spoiled. It's at your fingertips. It's very expensive but when you go to see a great musical or a great play. It is a singular experience and you come to take it for granted when you live in new york. I haven't lived in new york for nine years now. And i miss that part of it. I miss being able to go notice theater here. It's not quite the same you know. It's usually second run. Second run. Cast for hit musicals. Usually it's smaller plays. That actors are working on in between there. Big ten projects movie musicals are different totally different so in your mind. what what. What's the difference. What doesn't translate necessarily to a movie musical. Frankly like the pacing and the visual aspect of it because a theater and a musical in a theater is bound by one space and and also the time limits and how the shows are constructed. And you're just in a theater. I guess you're more willing to sit there and just like have people sing at you for three hours. But which they do lord. Do they sing it. You but a movie musical has to be adapted to youtube usually two and a half and sri with my beloved sound of music which is fine. I think it's wonderful. We'll talk about it but to the time but also the space and the screen and you have more space because you don't have to keep it on stage and if you do can be pretty flat. You know sean. Loves film plays but the rest of us do not but then also being able to communicate like the movement and specifically the choreography and for me the dancing and the choreography and how it's filmed is the key thing i as i was preparing for this i realized that basically movie musicals or my animated movies little bit because of. That's just what i listen. I watched all the disney movies. Like don't my parents didn't denied me. But i also watched specifically the fifties and sixties musicals as a kid but it's bright colors and songs and things moving in like fantastical organiz ways across the screen that they wouldn't in real life. But you're in kind of this suspended fantastical reality and everything usually works out. Okay which is again. I know reductive of the great art of animation. But you see where. I'm going like there are a lot of visual comparisons and the other thing is just when i watched some of these dance sequences. I just grin. This is like this is pure joy for me. This is for whatever reason just where. I'm happiest so i completely agree with you that the choreography and the visual execution is obviously the key distinction between the two. I'll give you an example. I had i went back and looked at at least started a bunch of classic musicals quote unquote classic musicals that i had never seen before. Some of them were wonderful. I watched funny girl. The first time last night i never seen it before. Barbra streisand's first film holy shit. What a great movie like. What an amazing of it got me thinking about. What are the all time. Best movie star debuts. Because imagine i mean she had been on broadway in that show before but she just shows up and she is unreal. It's crazy how charismatic powerful she is on the other hand. I watched oklahoma for the first time. Ever seen oklahoma and i like the musical oklahoma. They did. They did oklahoma in my high school. When i was growing up and i had never seen the movie highlight really like the songs from oklahoma quite a bit but so fred cinnamon made oklahoma. This is the director of high noon from here. Eternity like a heavyweight in the forties and fifties. And i thought it was pretty bad and one of the reasons i thought it was pretty bad because i didn't think it did a great job of what you were just describing. Which is a very cinematic movie. You get these beautiful vistas in oklahoma but the dancing on the choreography of the first twenty. Five minutes of the movie is completely inert. There's not a single dance sequence in fact a camera is just sitting on actress faces as they sing which is not a movie like it. Doesn't it weird. They didn't justify itself. Cinematic as i was thinking about what i like about these movies. I had the same thought. You know like seven brides for seven brothers is not on my list. I don't think it's yours either. But even if the songs and the story of that film or not good. You can't take your eyes off it because every sequence is this extraordinary choreographic orgy really. I mean it's just so high level it's all these people at the peak of their powers doing these great numbers together so it is very very different. There's something so different about being in a theater versus being seeing a film. This songs thing is tricky because they obviously have to be good. But i do think what's great and a theater versus what makes sense on the screen. Music wise is slightly different in general. You're just like. I said more willing to watch someone like stand alone in the stage in the middle of the theater and like really sing at you and if they really got it they really got it. And that's such a like a communal experience right of being there. Having someone be that vulnerable to you. Which normally i hate but when they can make it work there's nothing like it and you can have that on the screen as well and there are some really transcendent moments. You know. i think you shared. The judy garland the the man that got away or the one that got away whichever it is. I literally was just rendered speechless. Like what you say about those four minutes. It's nothing like that but it is harder. Not everyone's judy garland. As we have learned time and time and time again she also renee zellweger. And so you want something that will hold people's attention on the screen and you also like the songs are too good. Then you feel compelled to just show them all in and like the like the songs kinda get in the way because you like for the most part. Straight sunk like precipitive musicals. Like don't totally work for me. I have one on my list. And there's various reasons for to that when we talk about it like that's a specific filmmaking decision like. They're like they're doing that thing. I mean that's really more opera operetta idea of just kind of singing through i think for the most part that doesn't work Cinematic the other key distinction and this is related to the songs on the choreography that we're talking about is performance. The performance you know movie performance and theater performance are vastly different. Now there are some famous movie stars. Movie actors like judy garland who just go for broke. Who are just. I mean she in that in that sequence a star is born which is one of the. Most amazing sequence isn't a history of movies to me where she goes from this little tiny mouse to this extraordinary lion in the span of four minutes is crazy. But you don't always have to go to a lion to make a musical performance work in a movie you can be more subtle. There can be not everything has to be sung the absolute top of your register. And so that's that's not as true on broadway on broadway. There is an expectation that you are literally singing for the back of the theater that you need everyone here. You and the smaller more reserved more subtle moments. I think are really important to making a musical successful when you're watching it in a movie format anything anything else that that what. What else makes a great movie musical. I guess is there anything are there any hallmarks suit. Yes a few one that i noticed. Is that almost all of the musicals. That i picked for my last. Have some sort of built in alger. They're made in whatever decade. They're made but there about a time that's earlier and there's something in that setting knowledge is like this is not. This is a nostalgic format right. This is something that we used to do. And you can give it like a just a bit more talapity. You're willing to kind of go with it a bit. Because there's that distance in like this is not people like right now breaking out in song to you so it's like hard to sell so i guess some of it is just adding to the fantastical. I did notice. Also that a lot of my musical show within a show or in some way our 'bout performing As much as they are performing themselves. I'm trying to think what are some of yours. That's really interesting. Guess the kind of show within a show thing. Yeah is pretty consistent in mind to. It does feel as even as i look at my list almost all these movies are about people who wanna perform or do perform for a living so you know. There are all kinds of commentaries in a way. I don't know. I think you also need them. I think he. This is a case where you need a filmmaker with a vision. I know that's a little bit of a cliche thing for me to say but the the big difference between the great musicals on the great musicals adapted for film usually. The director is usually the person who says i see. Not just the core of this this story but i see how to translate it to this format and so most of the movies that i picked have masters of their craft behind them I it's actually kind of an interesting contrast. I think i'm most of yours are the same way with a couple of exceptions and i think why and when we saw these movies as the other key aspect of this is like yes of course if you're if you saw a musical between the ages of six and thirteen it probably imprinted on you in a big way and you almost can't see the specific choices that are being made. You can't even really see it through clear objective. Is you know you have to you re. You're evaluating it. Only through the the way that a musical you know their wizard of oz of courses on my list. One of my favorite movies of all time. I don't even know how to watch that movie anymore. I i watched that movie the same way that i listened to the beatles were. I'm just like this is just safe. This just makes me feel comfortable and that reminds me. Neither of us put any of the beatles movies on our list. While i was pretty strict about how i put my list together. And they're just so many movies. That aren't on my list. That i feel really bad about and i also knew that sean would put the wizard visors and on my list guys. Wizard of oz is one of the greatest movie musicals ever made like. Please don't hold it against me. I just knew that sean would put it on his list. And so i wanted to do something different but in terms of how i put my list together it pretty much you had to have song and dance numbers. You had to have a little of that razzmatazz soon just like a musical film or film with a lot of music or film about musicians who i love once again. Thank you musicians for all that you do buy like a hard day's night actually does have like the way that they move together. They are choreographed and there are some set pieces. But it's like it's a fake off a fake biography about the beatles with a slightly different thing that would be a very loose definition of moving musical. I re watched a hard day's night this week too and it rules. It's just it just doesn't feel like a musical especially like in the final thirty minutes all of musical performances are basically just that you know them on a version of ed sullivan at the end of the film rolling. It's amazing it's the beatles in nineteen sixty four so electrifying but it's just them onstage playing songs and young people freaking out in the audience so it's missing some of a lot of the details. I think that we're talking about here. So far and i was looking at a bunch of less to try to put mine together and movies like well obviously like a star is born and i don't have any of the stars born on my list even though they're just absolutely conic movies you do you you. You put soi last minute last minute swap okay. Well that's good. I did feel a little bad about it but the more reason again. It's like a bad musician. People would also put things like that thing you do on which is not a movie musical movie about musicians and also i love and like at some point to get that thing. You on this podcast. Just not today okay. Let me ask you this. So i just saw. I saw the movie. Respect the aretha. Franklin movie i i. I'm not allowed to talk about whether it be is any good or not at the moment but there are obviously musical sequences in the movie which we see the artist writing and performing songs rights. You know there are other examples of this bohemian rhapsody rocket man dream dream well but dreamgirls stages a stage right. But i'm thinking more of the musical. The music bio-pic that transforms into a kind of musical. Like do you consider ray. Do you consider things like that eligible for this conversation. Walk the line. Maybe so walk the line no again a movie that i really love but all of the musical numbers are either kind of song writing or concert numbers within a story about two musicians who gave a lot of concerts so i consider it music biography. I honestly haven't seen ray in however many years so i don't know how much of it is kinda concert verses big stage numbers the thing a distinction is maybe like an unnatural song music and dance number is. It's not like when people would normally just start singing dancing and like suddenly there are fifty five people dancing in front of you and like. Why are you doing this. I have one exception. Not on my list and i was well. I will explain my why i have on my list but i think that's a good rule successfully makes the role absolutely. What's your favorite era of these movies. Fifties or sixties and fifties into early sixties. I have a real soft spot for all of the movies that everyone in the sixties. Hey just so much that they had to go out and make bonnie and clyde fine like i was five so i wasn't five i wasn't born then and then i was shown all these movies at five like here's the movie. That is the most important to me. That's not on my list. Mary poppins mary poppins is not on my list. And i'm betraying my three year old self but as previously discussed on this podcast. I'm an adult now and not three anymore. So i'm allowed to make these distinctions. But i really did guy just got put in front of mary poppins and sound of music and wizard is and like chitty chitty bang bang and all of those more kid friendly musicals soft spot for them and then as i got a little bit older like the fifties the golden era essentially israeli golden to me as well. Yeah that's my favorite by far are a lot of really cool kind of reinventions of musicals in the seventies and they're a lot of really radical people making movies. You know people. Ken russell who made like four or five musicals in that time. But that vincent minnelli stanley dawn in gene kelly. George q core era of moviemaking is and. I didn't come to those movies at an extremely young age. I saw a lot of those sixties movies. You're talking about when. I was very young and some of the seventies movies too. I specifically remember while. I'll i'll save this for when we get to our list because i wanna talk about seeing some of these things for the first time. I think it's really interesting. The way where where the genre sits right now. The the really does move almost decade like fashion. You can kind of identify what what is happening in hollywood based on the musicals that you're getting every ten years it's been a long long time for me personally. Since musical came along that i'd authentically loved even in the heights. Which i think is really good would not come close to a list like this for me. So what it what has been going on in the last. Fifteen years of movie musicals. I see my question. Well they're usually. The good ones are based on musicals with some notable exceptions which. We'll talk about spoilers. And i do think a new modern musical is really hard in part for what i said earlier about this idea that in our minds and the way we grew up watching these. It's kinda it's an style. Gic old school art form. I think when you can update it especially like men while marina has and new styles of music and new people and in the musicals like my. My list is full of white people. I'm just going to be you know. It's it's old hollywood but to be able to renovate it and to to find new ways to tell stories and new people to tell stories about is great but it's really hard and most people fill at it. Most people are not as talented limit while rand us. So i think that also you know. It's just weird when someone starts singing like a pop song in the middle of conversation were just there. There's something about it that you need the remove in order for the form to work so a modern musical is really hard. And then if you don't have the modern musical than modern movie musical doesn't even make of sense like land for example a recent movie musical that i do think works. But it's not on my list because the movies that it is just like totally copying which i also love are the movies that are on my list. Yeah i think it's interesting that you point out that there's just a lot of white people in a lot of the classics. Obviously they're variety of reasons for that over the last hundred years of hollywood. I did try. I gave some thought. And there are a handful of semi iconic black lead musicals. No the whiz is probably one of them. Spike lee school days. Probably one of them. I looked at sparkle again for the first time in a long time which is movie directed by san luis team. That is really good. I guess five heartbeats carmen jones. There's a few that would be worthy of this. You mentioned dreamgirls. Which as a movie. I never really loved honestly. I think it has some great things in it but i think is also a little bit of a mixed bag tremendous set pieces and performances and really does have the second hour of just like. Oh okay we're seeing some more. Yeah so. I think that if we did this list ten years from now given everything that's been going on in hollywood it would look a little bit different. Obviously in the heights is a story about largely latino culture which is not something that we've seen on movie screens very much in the last seventy five years so i guess that's a reasonable caveat to share before we dig into our list so normally we do five on the big picture. There's too many good movie musicals. I couldn't. I couldn't do a thing where i had three movies tied for fifth four third second and i may feel okay about it so i asked us to extend to ten. We'll go quickly through ten through six. Did you have a hard time organizing your your ranking in your picks yes and there are so many that i didn't include and i started. I tried to do a little bit of like one for the list. One for me while also making sure. I hit all the here. I had a judy garland man. You know i had all like gene kelly etc etc seventies fifties sixties. So it's it's a weird list. It more represents my enthusiasms and some things. I think that. I think are great as opposed to like a complete. You know definitive assessment of this genre. I said i knew. Sean would put wizard of oz on his so. It's not mine which what am i doing. what am i doing. Well i mean you know this is an this is an active of balance. I think any time we do these where while. You're trying to anticipate what i'm gonna do. I'm trying to anticipate what you're gonna do. And also i think i was trying to do something very similar which is represent a number of different decades a few different movie types movie musical types and and try to get as many different kinds of filmmakers in there as i possibly could with one notable. Repeat which. I can't help myself so let's let me get the same thing with literally the same filmmaker so different films similar era. Let's go number ten. Would he got. I'm going for it. Moulin roche basil van two thousand and one. This is the latest film of my list. I needed to have something. Listen in terms of the jukebox musical. Which is a thing now. Both mean it's always been a thing but has really been the probably dominant form of modern musical and movie musical. I think it's the most creative and certainly the most cinematic they're doing a lot and as my father said when it was released in defensive this film which is not something that i ever would have expected my father to do. He does not suffer silliness. He's like you gotta respect any movie that goes out of its way to build. Its climactic scene around roxanne. Like that's just funny when that the tango of roxanne who's not funny. It's like very serious in the context of the characters. I don't wanna make light of it but it's like pretty funny. Once they start playing roxanne. I had a lot of times. Jam it on my car to alvin and this was a phenomenon. So i i. Salute buys lerman for making something completely fantastical set in turn of the century paris. Which no one cares about featuring weird songs that made as much money and touched as many lives as it did. Do you like most jukebox musicals. Real real mixed bag. Mommy's not on my list though once again. Let's just take a moment to honor a film that includes meryl streep just absolutely wailing. The winner takes it all at pierce brosnan on a beautiful greek island. That is the funniest thing i've ever seen in my entire life it rules. I love that they did that. I do love movies that are like what if we just all got to greece for the summer and sing opera songs like shirt. That's what that's what i would do. If i remember streep beta it depends if you like. This songs are not there. They aren't usually cinematic. They're pretty likes throwaway experiences. Fun and then move on. And i think moulin rouge at least thinking about what it is. Yeah i feel like we're in a little bit of a We're in a little bit of a hot moment for the jukebox. Musical on broadway. You know my my mom loved jukebox musical. She saw so many. You know not just like your classics like jersey. Boys put cheap. Like was there a billy joel. Musical was at moving out with twyla. Tharp she was like this is the shit. There was a carole king tapestry. Musical incredible. I always been a little lukewarm on them to like across the universe. Ostensibly my favorite day. You and i are like such snobs about the beatles. Were like just. Let them be. The beatles stopped trying to make other people be the beatles. Because there's only four universities. Julie taymor right saying so. Well i stick to stage is what i have to say damn sick to sports but for stages rock of ages also not not not a fan of that. Oh my god. I forgot that that happened. That was really funny though the thing about jukebox musicals is that really famous. People seem to be willing to completely embarrass themselves and do ridiculous. It's like the closest that you'll get to go into karaoke cruise or meryl streep and i liked that feeling. But it's funny but i'm as guilty of this as anybody. It's the thing where when you do karaoke in you're like i'm a good singer. Should hear me saying and then you you hear yourself saying five minutes later and you're like no one should ever hear me say this is age mistake but people. I guess if you're tom cruise you have the gumption to go ahead and do it moulin. Rouge is probably the only move near listen. I'm kind of man. I never really things. Like i just i had to go for it. I also really had to do something after two thousand. I don't have anything recent. I only have one as well. We'll get to that in a minute. My number ten is probably the least known of the two thousand films will talk about but is one of the best without question. I've just rewatching for the first time in many years it's called it's always fair weather. It's a post singing in the rain. Stanley don an gene. Kelly collaboration so three guys who come back from the war in new york city and who meet up at a bar and agreed to meet again ten years from now and see where they are in their lives and the movie kind of unfolds from their fascinating bright technicolor massive story. That is also one of the most cynical wounded alienating pictures of post war masculinity ever made That makes it sound a little bit more severe and maybe me parody than it actually is it. It has all the hallmarks of singing in the rain. But also seems to be trying to dig into something a little bit more psychological. Honestly it's also got some incredible showstoppers and one of the two or three best performances. You're ever gonna see she it like. We don't need superhero movies because we have centuries movies like the stuff that she does in this movie especially. There's a big set piece in the middle where she performs in a boxing. Ring with fifteen boxers. Holy shit she's so great Is a really really really great musical right. In the heart of the golden era of musicals that is a little bit unforeseen gone a little bit of a boost. When lala land came out because damian chazelle went around and sung its praises and talked about it and i think if you see some of the on we in that ryan gosling character. Sort of like lost hope and aspiration. His character has. That's a big part of. It's always fair weather if people haven't seen it it's on hbo. Max it's an absolute gem. 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Meet me in. St louis directed by vincent minnelli. Father of this is the movie. Where manelli and judy garland meat. And i think this is my kind of classic forties always on. Am kind of small scale but very charming musical. It's a bout like a family and judy garland pining for the boy next door and one of the famous songs and as i've mentioned many times also where have yourself merry little. Christmas is debuted by girling. Suet a fair number of just judy garland like just singing her heart out alone on a screen in the family home. But there's the trolley song which is very famous and you know people together in a street sort of even though it's not it's on a sound stage and i think kind of the best case of the comforting rogers and hammerstein e even though it's not rodgers and hammerstein style just like people hope to people hoping to find love and a family and like i a small comforting musical. Yeah i think it's a really good one but definitely one of the most beautiful movies. That vincent minnelli directed at saying something because he is one of the masters of color. You know he really knows how to make films. Pop also amazing costumes in this movie to keep it with garland my number nine. I switched to the last minute to a stars for in the nineteen fifty. Four version directed by george cukor starring garland and james mason of the man that god talking about stars born many times over the last three years. You pretty familiar with the story of a successful musician who meets a young ingenue and brings her along and helps develop her career only to become insanely jealous and then create terror and anxiety and fear and frustration and sadness. Judy garland is speaking of superheroes. She just as the absolute top of the pops. She's the best is ever done it. Nineteen fifty four is a really interesting year This is the year that this movie was released along with a number of other incredible musicals brigadier which i've talked about on the show before i just mentioned seven brides for seven brothers white christmas speaking of christmas classics. The glenn miller story. There's no business like show business and on the aforementioned carmen jones. That's all in one year. So the mid fifty s as the suburbs are starting to blossom as you know. Wealth is starting to run throughout this country. It's clear what kind of entertainments people wanted. They wanted to go smile at the big screen and see people singing their hearts out A star is born is actually quite a crushing film. You know it's three hours. It's incredibly melodramatic. And it's beautiful to look at but it's quite sad but also just one of the best movies ever made. That's number nine. What's number eight five birdie nineteen sixty three and i think i guess maybe this is a personal pick. I it's i don't know how widely beloved it is like. Oh beloved in my. I saiki directed. By george. Sidney and famously starring margaret and this is like if you wanna talk about like debut film performances. I don't know what to say. This does have the big set piece numbers got a lot of living to do is just like a lot of teens dancing. Even though none of these people look like teenagers at all. I think the telephone song a great adaptation of a stage number two the screen. And what what you can do on the screen that that you can't really in a theater but you also only just need and margaret in front of a blue screen for three minutes or whatever. Bye birdie i it's electric this is i. I don't even know what to say. I completely mesmerized by margaret. I realized i probably like dot. That women were supposed to be for way too long. Tommy lot also me about elvis. I realized i definitely didn't know about before birdie but you know this is a classic teen romcom except i think it's a lot smarter than the tapes of teen musicals or entertainment that get made today for example like you compare this with high school musical a questionable ethics and a lot more sex and a lot more like a slightness and a winking aspect to it. It's a commentary being a teen as much as a t. musical itself but great stuff it. Is it satire. It is a satire of television again. It's another movie that is looking at tv and the way that tv creates idolatry amongst musicians. I mean this was a movie that was shown to me at a very young age. I think in school. I think i was in like a music literacy course or something like that and they showed it to me. You know. I think like we my middle school. Did bye bye birdie. And that's kind of how i knew about it so i guess people think that it is appropriate for teens. Even though it's definitely making fun of teens teen culture it cuts both ways like so much kind of generational bridge content. That it raid. It speaks to young people in it also speaks to adults good movie great movie. My number eight is little shop. A horse so similar. Another movie that i saw a very young age i think is a is a bit of a boy musical. Because if it's kind of phantasmagoric monster movie aspect. It is a music allies. Remake of a roger corman movie from the nineteen sixties which famously feature. Jack nicholson and a very early performance. The i earned a new appreciation for this movie after i saw Documentary about the composer of the musical howard. Ashman who's playwright and who participate in a lot of disney films. The nineties who died tragically in nineteen. Ninety-one he he kind of created little shop of horrors from from stem to stick literally. Because it's about a giant man eating plant and it also features like some of the best particularly ellen greene who stars Is the star of the movie. Some of the best onscreen singing that you'll ever see in your life. I think the songs are really fun in this movie and also has a little bit of a cheat code because the plant is voiced by levi stubbs. Who of course was the lead singer for the four tops for many years and has one of the like fi pissed most indelible voices in the history of pop. Music is a really creative exciting weird movie. It's a really really directed by frank. Oz no stranger to puppets henson making this giant singing plant seem scary to ten year olds another movie that i probably saw that same class with a showed me. Bye bye birdie It's just a it's just a great time and even though it was made in nineteen eighty six. It's still has not aged weirdly to me. It's still has a a a wonder sensibility. I didn't see little shop until college after i was taken to the college production of little shop. And i just have to tell you. My college had many strengths. But i don't think it was known for its theater department and you know when you see a shall we say community theater level production of something it kinda. There's no coming back from that. Appreciate stuff you get the latest. Gotta look cool. That plant is literally singing. That yes flytrap. Yeah it's it's also a movie. That kind of has a little bit in common with in the heights. Like i thought of down on skid row a couple of times while watching in the heights because there's a similar kind of energy to the story that it's telling okay number seven. What do you got. Funny face directed by the king stanley. Diamond starring fred. Astaire audrey hepburn and kay thompson who also wrote l. Louise yeah that out. Yeah i fred. Astaire audrey hepburn. Kate hobson just dancing around paris in paris. And also this movie being about fashion and the fashion world and having makeovers. I yes yes thank you. This is really. This is all of my interests in one thing. It is really cheerfully done at. Has that really famous. Audrey hepburn like solo bohemian dancing. That is sort of. When i think of audrey hepburn i i think of her in the full the full black and the ponytail just doing weird poses i guess is my first dance break right now but you know what i mean and and just a delight a completely delightful fifties era movie starring. Some of the best people to ever do it. This is also my fred astaire inclusion and my only audrey hepburn inclusion which i do feel bad about but i just you know my fair lady really great an just not for me. It's what is it. What is it because it's really good. I've seen it a bunch of times. Sauza a really good songs are still live in my head. I dunno never clicked for me. I liked rex rex harrison. Quite a bit you know. Of course like audrey hepburn. I'm not a monster it's again it's it's a little bit of that like loaded nineteen sixties. Hollywood profundity thing. That i just i that feels different from these movies. I mean these don and movies basically seeing the rain. Seven brides for seven brothers. so as fairweather funny face. Pajama game indiscreet. Damn yankees those all. Come in six years you know. And they're all under two hours basically and and they also they move and not just because he often works with gene kelly and understands but yeah i guess there is like the dancing element to this which my fair lady. They're they're more state at stater. Yes that's true. I just never been a huge fan of that one. A speaking not of state. My number seven is hedwig and the angry inch. Which of course is the rock musical From john cameron. Mitchell which is my only entry from the two thousand This is a fascinating story about a gender queer eastern rock singer and it's one of the few movies that is purely performance oriented very few of the songs are in settings other than hedwig onstage and singing but in addition to being a touching and fascinating lee Defiance story in an independent movie very different from a lot of the other movies. We're talking about here. Not necessarily funded by a major studio with a singular vision from from john cameron mitchell It's also movie that integrates a lot of different filmmaking techniques. There's a lot of animation in this movie. There's a lot of unusual cinematography in this movie. It looks different than a lot of the films that we're talking about here. That's not a reason alone to make it worthy. I think what makes it worthy ultimately. Is john cameron mitchell. Just being a house on fire throughout the movie with the performances that he's giving but it's a fun movie. It's a fascinating kind of story that we're not seeing very much in musical theater at least on the big screen. It's also. i was thinking about john. Cameron mitchell like did he live up to the promise of what this movie presented which is tough right because on the one hand if you only made headway in the angry inch and you died the next day you're a legend forever but then i look at his films and i'm like is this a hollywood thing. Why is he not given more opportunities like is he best known now as like the guy who showed up on girls a couple of times you meet a few movies. Made short bussey made rabbit hole. He made a movie and twenty seventeen called hashtag two girls at parties. That wasn't great. But i would have guessed he would have had a slightly different career. I don't know if you follow his career at all in the last twenty years. I've forgotten about the girls thing until you said you remember. When he was on girl you just showed on for his had girls was. I mean we can never revisit that time. No one should try but like what a time that that was for you guys at the internet. You think it's while now. Yeah i mean it does also seem like sometimes people just make their singular thing and what makes something so special hedwig is also what so. Hard to replicate bright. Yes i think that's you know and especially in a system. That doesn't like to take a lot of chances. That's exactly right singular achievement in the angry inch. If you haven't seen it check it out number six. Muppets take manhattan. Speaking of frank us. I i went back and forth on which up the been thinking a lot about great keeper because of charles grodin and but this because in the show within a show because they're trying to mount a a stage and you know they go to 'em nisha that's one Makes has new friends. That are like yuppie frogs and the city and then they have to knock him out of the amnesia to get the show on at the end. Isn't that what this one is crazy. I rem. I mean there is definitely the secrets where miss piggy is like. No we love each. And they do the muppet babies and then he's like we love each other and we gotta make the show. So maybe they're yuppie friends. I mean he's separated from them for a while right right. Yeah i don't know if i remember. The amnesia forgets about them. Yeah anyhow sorry to interrupt you but and has a great time. It's already there. Were like the theater world. Trappings of this one as well as the musical numbers and the the making fun of these types of movies while also making a delightful movie and just the number of musical sequences like when they're pitching the show. Do you remember this. And it's they have like a lot of famous people doing a lot of cameras and the all them up. It's just go and like dance for every single person and it's just like all the muppets going back to back and forth which is both a parody of these types of movies and also makes me laugh as a great musical number every time. It's really great. This is a great one. I probably would have gone with caper. I i like the caper songs just a little bit more. They're all great. Though the muppet movie the songs are great. Christmas carol songs. Great oh great them up its rule. Should we do him up episode. Sure didn't they cancelled. Can't like canceled canceled. No like you know. They're like oh no fucked. It's okay that okay my number six. This is my one big rule breaker spots. Not really accounts accounts number. Six's nashville robert altman's classic of nineteen seventy five. Maybe it'll come up on the nineteen seventy five movie draft. The thing i like about this movie. Among many things is the robert altman asked the cast to write their own songs for the film. Many of the figures in the film our country singers that takes place at a time when the world of country music is is Supporting essentially a political party convention. That is happening. In in nashville. It's all oliver across this weekend. And we see a number different people sing and perform form. The songs that they've written performances are beautiful. It's not a true musical in so far as people don't just burst into song while crossing the street. Most of the singing takes place on stage in performance venues but the songs are touching and i love that kind of creation myth behind it and it's just from a pure movie. Perspective is one of the most interesting transformational movies. That's ever been made. I think it really did change the way that movies would be considered in terms of like the ambient sound that you hear. Multiple conversations happening at the same time the sense the flow of real life set against the musical atmosphere which is usually so staged prim and proper and colliding. Those two things. I always thought was such a fascinating choice by. I'm not trying to taunt you. I'm actually trying to ask this seriously. Like how do you feel about putting nashville one of the great movies at number six on any list like cognitive dissonance for you and there is for me like these are. This is a ranking within the context of movie musicals. And they're like you know all lists are different but do you get nervous about that. 'cause it's pretty funny. That nashville is only at six on your list. I well. I feel the same way that you feel about. Not putting the was revise on which is like of course this is ridiculous and completely constructed fake but also i wanted to give a chance to shout out a slightly different kind of a musical. If we were listing. My favorite movies of the seventies national might rank higher than number six. So of course this is perverse. But i feel okay about it. I'm glad if people haven't heard of nashville. That's like fucking watch it. Check it out. Yes hanger this. Episode of the big picture is brought to you by mcdonald's the one-two-three dollar menu. Mcdonald's is here. it's almost like a top five movie list. You just have to pick your favorites. When i think back on a youth spent consuming. Mcdonald's i can only think about dipping a four piece chicken mcnuggets. Package into honey. That may sound weird. But i loved dipping nuggets into honey. You might love it to order ahead on the mcdonald's app get all your favorite items like mcdonnell. Small fries that four piece chicken mcnuggets mcchicken and dollar any size soft drink for just a few bucks. Prices in participation may vary cannot be combined with any offer or combo meal. Okay number five greece. I mean i had to. I had to honor you know the the women of my generation who watched this movie four thousand times once again. Not kid appropriate definitely watched it like at age six. I remember my friend. Tristesse house went where she was like. You know about grace. I was like. I don't know what greece wash it. Four thousand times poodle skirts for halloween terrible lessons for women. Pretty campy movie isn't even good. I don't know but it is. Like i mean obviously it is. The songs are great and performances are ridiculous but in keeping with the high school tone. It's another high school movie. That is slightly satirizing high school though possibly not with his sharp wit at bye. Bye birdie is definitely the first time i experienced john travolta so you know. Thank you to that and it like an interesting. This is one thousand nine hundred seventy eight so a weird time in in movies and certainly a weird time in movie musicals and i think was just made for sleepovers and it just really worked out for us. Yeah this move comes from. Robert wood a producer. Who is a very important figure in the history of movies as movie prior this saturday night. Fever and he had a keen eye for greece. And a keanae for integrating pop music into movies and making those things fit together. I told eileen that you put this on your list. And she said thank god. This is one of my favorites of all time. Just like any leeann. I have definitely watch this together when you were out of town. That's available and then we watch sex in the city so just to give you a sense of what we were consuming do you. Who do you relate to increase the most. Well you just did you grow up. And you're like wait. Sue at the end of greece. Sandy just completely renovated herself and gives up all of her principles to be like the bad girl and be accepted by the quote bad crew. And just like where's full on skin tight leather and then everyone does that hand jive and it's like happy times and like that is soup. That's what the musical list that's upsetting. That's not what it should be. That's that's bad. I was taught bad figs. Okay and i internalize them. So you're saying you're more of a rizzo then yeah sure. I had no idea what she was thinking about for the first twenty years of my life. That's the other thing when you realize. Oh she's pregnant. Definitely took me at least eight viewings before i was like oh now i understand but you know that's a right of passage. I like greece. It's pretty good. It's fun has a has a few showstoppers of the most like stop what you're doing and watch this moment unfold. I still cannot tell if it's meant to be like an homage or parody of the time that it's portraying but you're right that is similar in a lot of the movies. Were picking the movies about an older time mine. Number five is not about an older time. It's about another world. It's called the nightmare before christmas. This is my one animated choice. I've asked this. I was like should i do like a beauty and the beast or an aladdin or one of those kind of classic ninety s disney movies that we all love that are musicals. Really they are. The characters just burst into song in the middle of the telling of the story. The nightmare because before christmas was top of mine just listened to danny elfin on w. t.f. Danielle fman lead singer of lingo going. Oh of course one of the most legendary composers and films for the last forty years or so his signature. Collaboration has been with tim berne over the years. The nightmare before christmas produced by burton directed by henry celik the legendary stop motion animation filmmaker elvin wrote all the songs and composed all the themes to this story which is about essentially like a halloween world attempting to i in i- infest christmas takeover christmas. It's a ridiculous story. It's obviously a story for kids but it's also wildly creative and beautiful to look at and the songs are jamming jamming out to what's this last night. Which is one of the best. Jack's kellington songs on the playlist. I imagine this didn't appeal to you very much. Your kid you care about this one. No i do think. I saw it but it just kind of didn't stay with me. I mean i did watch all of those disney movies that you referenced. I was just thinking. I didn't put any on my because as i said i realized halfway through that movie musicals kind of wear my animation but i think i would you beauty and the beast out of all of those i mean because it does also be. Our guest is the can elaborate like dancing around. It is sort of a set piece in that way. Though i do also led the lion king and i think the lion king is a good story but i sued like hamlet. I don't get it. It's you know the that animated movie rutten was very important for a lot of people pretty incredible. Okay what's your number four kabir so this is my exception in in pretty much every way. Even though it's like definitely a musical that involves a like a lot of dancing and is directed by bob. Fosse who is perhaps one of the great choreographers and directors of movement both human and camera of all time and the way that those two work together is. what makes this transcendent. But you know it is also it is about a cabaret performer. and so it's just liza minelli like onstage in not quite a concert but again it's also like a little bit is a show within a show and is a very cynical view about a lot of things but also about performing and and being a star and an aspiration but i think visually what this does certainly in terms of the choreography. And you know like a leg and a hip thrust. but they're i have very specific mental images of liza minnelli with chair and and her leg a certain way. And the and the camera from of and people's pelvis is just going to and fro and it reminds you you know about bodies and sacks for sure the there's a lot of lot of sex in this but i'm just how much movement matters in these types of musicals and also that there is a new way to communicate that movement. Also maybe this time. She's she's judy garland's daughter for a reason. Yeah i guess. This is a fairly tilted list. So far given vincent minnelli. Liza minelli scarlet. We've done. Hey we are who we are. This isn't the last time we'll talk about bob. Fosse i've got another one coming up soon. Yeah he is the lord of the thrust he loves to have his dancers thrusting onstage. My number four is the only sung through film. The style we mentioned the operetta style film. It's also the only foreign language film on this list. It's the umbrellas of sherborne from shocked. Emmy in nineteen sixty four. Probably top five. Most beautiful movies ever made. Probably one of the most influential movies ever made because of the depth and scope of its production design every single image wallpaper furniture. Cars clothes hair. Makeup is a pastel or an explosive primary color or the color of fruit. It's amazing the way that to me and this is not you know post production color correction like we have now. This is not you know. Cgi it is every person designed every piece of fiber in this movie. So in addition to it. Starring catherine deneuve at the apex of her extraordinary beauty. And it being a very sweet melodramatic tale about a young couple. Who are forced to part and have to figure out what their lives are when they're not together That is very like effective. But that's not ultimately the the thrust of the movie It's just too easy. It's an amazing thing to look at an amazing thing to hear and feel and i mentioned land earlier. This is also probably the number one Influence on la la land when you see that similar approach to to color and set designer. And it's not the last musical. It's not the only musical that demi made. But i think it's his best you know. Some people might pick some of the others but again another movie that if people have not seen. I think it's on the criterion channel. Right now you won't regret it number three the sound of music and betraying myself by putting it number three and away. Yes and away. I'm you know acknowledging the multitude of experiences that one can have at the movies. Listen i i was shown this at a very young age and it like opened the world of movies to me and singing and dancing and you know i wanted to be one of the von trapp children because once again didn't really understand the real world consequences of this movie for a very long time but also only trial and then it's like. Oh all of these kids running around. And doesn't it look like fun and this set pieces in this movie. I think extraordinary. This is directed by robert wise and almost entirely while much of it on location but they are running through salzburg and she is running around the mountains or the hills. I'm sorry how dare i and all of these. These fantastic things happening in real places was somehow so electrifying to to my tiny mind and it is like really really sentimental. It's long. It is rogers and hammerstein thing where they just keep doing all of the songs but i love all of the songs so i even love it. Climb every mountain which is just someone singing a ballad. Chew hours in. And you're like we gotta keep this moving but like to me. It's like church. You gotta stand up for that one so thank you to the sound of music and to julie andrews. I will not say anything rude about the sound of music here Number three is the wizard of oz. I feel almost exactly the same about the wizard of oz you feel about the sound of music. It is one of the greatest movies ever made. It is the movie that made me fall in. love with. Movies is the movie that was repeated in my household from the ages of zero. To ten a magical. It's truly magical. I don't what else can you say. It is completely magical. What's your number two. West side story also directed by robert wise. So i didn't put this on my list hoping that you would so. I'm glad that you this is very similar. I think to a lot of the other movies that we're talking about where it's like. Let's just keep trading some of these back and forth but this no list is is is right without this spill for me. This is the greatest filming of criag raphy and and the dancing. And you can if you haven't seen west side story you've probably encountered like a gif of this napping which i just started doing another dance break or of the jets. Were the sharks like doing their pirouettes in full air. It just like one shot. That explains the power of new movie musicals. And the way that they're able to film the jerome robbins rafi and actually show it on the big screen like not. Everybody knows how to do that. And it is also the. It's really ballet. They are it is more like pure wets 'judaize and some of the things that you don't necessarily associate with with musicals or you know it is maybe like ferrets. Your than people wanna see but kind of brought that into the mainstream in made it so exciting and really serves the story and the wonderful music of all time random performance. I don't. I don't know what else to say about that. And just it it. It gets a little bit shaggy at the ana. Can't say that the natalie wood performance is the best thing that i've ever seen onscreen at all. Also actually natalie wood being cast to play a puerto rican woman is something that we would examine. And i believe that this steven spielberg update is examining. So that's a good thing but it this spectacle and the sat pieces. I think are like the high standard. I agree with you. It is a weirdly flawed. Movie that transcends its you know there there are some curiosities in it but there is also the core taxed. The songs and the choreography are unreal. So beautiful movie. My number two movie is also about fossey. Movie it is the kind of the flip side of cabaret and many ways. It is also a little bit self product for me to choose all that jazz If chris rock here he'd be thrilled. This is one of his favorite movies of all time. Change star change. This is a a real time. Self-analysis this is bob. fosse doing memoir as musical. It's a story about a hard charging hard drinking hard womanizing broadway film and film director. Who push themselves too far and goes to the brink and then in a state of physical disrepair has visions of his life before him. It's a little bit of a ghost of christmas past thing. A little bit of a if you pop too many pills. This is what your mind will do. And it incorporates. Musical numbers really. Interestingly you know. Bob fosse had worked on classic musicals and musical movies over the years you know. He directed sweet charity. That was his first film. You may have seen some of this stuff portrayed and fosse verdon which is a show that was on a twenty nine thousand. This is simply put one of the best movies to ever come out hollywood. It is of course like incredibly self-indulgent but in a way that is worthy. I think like i think it's the story that it's telling about this man the way that this man doesn't appreciate and respect himself or the women around him who support him and keep him going. Every day is like it's it's so fascinating to turn the camera on yourself that way and to exploit your own flaws so aggressively doesn't necessarily excuse with a bob fosse acton sound like actually a real asshole sometimes but there is a a level of self awareness self regard and incredible vision colliding together along with all of the things that he does in cabaret along with the way that he stages those numbers along with the way that those the songs are performed. That creates like one of the only th- this is. This could only be a movie. This could be in a movie. It could only work in a movie so we were talking about justifying itself. this is the ultimate justifying itself. Movie musical to me. This is one where you did all that jazz cabaret and where it's like cobbling it together and we're still like we're missing so many things before we reveal our number one which we share which was really cute and everyone can guess what it is and we didn't plan that no but i think in our hearts planned it you know but there are so many. I didn't even make a list of all the honorable mention. I feel stupid now. But i guess there are so many that i know i didn't include and then so many more like we'll forget when you want to share any. Is there any the one that i cut that i had originally on here was yankee doodle dandy which i just think is similarly kind of sets the stage for some of that choreography that we've been talking about jimmy. Cagney who heretofore had been considered like one of the great gangster actors. Does this amazing song and dance man performance. I don't know anything else. Jump out at you my fair lady which. We talked about an american in paris which is pretty impressive. Trying to think what else. We don't have any on this. Because anne wasn't like a huge touchstone for me but personally as a kid but also like that movie gigantic. Everyone watch i mean like just a huge phenomenon and pretty great and then we don't have rent on the list which means a lot to a lot of people. I've just never really got on the train. I think it was like a little too young and it didn't transfer for me. But i know that means a lot to a lot of people. I'm sure they're like what else am i forgetting. All the judy garland movies. Except for the ones that we have. Yeah i mean you mentioned that. You have a fred astaire film all of the fred astaire ginger rogers movies you know top hat shall we dance and all those films. We didn't mention any of those. I mean there are some quirkier ones dimension purple rain. I guess that's a pretty big one. That's that is just a concert. Ish dying why. I probably would have put it on if it was not just that because that's a similar thing where when the concert footage is happening prince's onstage. Some of the most electrifying should ever but it doesn't really fit the bill Let's just do our number one. What does it singing in the rain. A perfect movie up like an absolutely perfect movie. You can do what i did last night. Which is a treat. After watching all the things i needed to do. I just fast forwarded through to all of the songs that i wanted to watch and just like fell really happy. It was like my lullaby before. I went to bed but the nice thing about it. Is that also just like the interstitial story and the chemistry between the actors is also great. You can watch it as a delightful kinda like screw abolish fifty s movie and then it also has some of the best. I'm not some of us. What am i talking about all of the best dance sequences of all time. I was about to do. God a dance for i did it. I was nervous like should i just like when we're back in the office. Should i just get like that yellow blazer and the weird glasses and just be like god dance which jazz hands every time. I see you have to do that now. That you've suggested you you could do it. This is the first musical i ever saw in. Which i consciously knew i was going into watch musical. When you're a kid and you see was revised or the great caper. You don't know ones like okay. Let's sit down and watch a musical together with singing the rain. I remember this vividly. I was eleven years old. I went to disneyland with my parents. We were in one of the shops in disneyland. You don't you get off a ride at disneyland and then you'd like it into a shop. Yeah yes so remember. What so evil. They're very smart. So get one of these rides. Remember which one it is. In in one of the shops there is a classic movies section and they were selling a vhs of singing in the rain there. I have no idea why. I demanded that someone by this from your film i had never seen that. I only knew as a quote unquote classic hollywood musical but my mom for me went back to the hotel room that night. We watched it. That's so cute. You watched it at disneyland. That's a nice story. Took took my breath away. I didn't understand any of the satire. Or any of the you know the hollywood mythology ising slash d mythology happening in the story. I was just like gene kelly. Donald o'connor debbie reynolds. These people are super human. What they're able to do is magical. I thought the movie was pretty funny as a kid even funnier. Now it's winking it's you know it's again. It's like show within a show and a little. It's a satire. It is also made in the fifties but set in the twenties. All the things we were talking about. It's just a brilliant brilliant brilliant movie at some it. it will lift your spirits if you are down to debbie. Reynolds performance is so good. She is so young and trying to keep up with gene kelly. Donald o'connor and you know the behind the scene stories that it was quite hard in the gym. Sally was exacting would expect but but like she does. And i find that when she's on the screen she's like the only person that i can watch and there is a little bit of doing it. I'm getting it right. This confetti streamer is in my face. But i'm gonna keep going aspect of it that is it still like really ernest. She's trying so hard but that you can figure rooting for her. Just makes it so transcendent. i didn't. I don't think i saw this all at once. I is you know. I was subjected to a lot of performing arts classes. And so i think that like in my like dance like training journey like i was shown good morning and shown like moses. Suppose let me be very clear cannot do either of those things or anything close to it but you know sometimes they show you some tape so like just for motivation and i think those two sequences in particular like are the ten minutes of filmmaking like if i could only watch ten minutes of movies ever again it would probably be those things and i'd be really happy but then it's really exciting when you go back and watch the rest of your move the movie and you're like oh this is a real movie holds together good for them. It absolutely does. That's what makes the number one for me. It is a great movie and it is a great series of musical performances and they make sense together. They fit together Croat ended singing in. Amanda are lists are great. They are perfect. Actually now that i think about it. There's never been a better list made on the tourists. Who made here and proud of you. Any final thoughts on movie musicals. I just really like them. I'm getting to watch some more of them. Also an a really nice thing is how many of these are available between criterion and turner classic movies on hbo. So if you are looking for some joy in your life seek one out absolutely you. Amanda thank you. Our producers is filling in today and bobby wagner for his work on this episode. Next week on the big picture. You're going to try to build the perfect streaming service which just all movie musicals. Please hope you tune in for that will see them.

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PCC Multiverse #129- Netflix Sees A Bump In The Road, Toys R' Us Is Back...Sort Of, And Let The Comic-Con Trailers Begin!

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PCC Multiverse #129- Netflix Sees A Bump In The Road, Toys R' Us Is Back...Sort Of, And Let The Comic-Con Trailers Begin!

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It is my good friend. It is Josh Peterson so glad you could join us. Even though it is not quite the way you had planned it as what happens I guess mixers don't bounce off with sidewalks very well. Big Dog will go ahead and send them the bill a little bit later on but it is true the great to have you on my friend because you're going to be sharing your thoughts on Netflix aches some of the trailers that we saw and so much more including toys arrests and its rebirth kind of we'll talk about that and so much more Jessica box is also here from the T._v.. Ratings Sky DOT COM. She's going to be on a little bit talking Emmy nominations. We're GONNA talk about that and so much more in our interview coming up here in a little bit plus plus also we're gonNA be talking about. Comic con is finally upon us. There's a slew trailers that already came out and we're going to be breaking down some of them right here on the show as well but I my friend I think we gotta talk about the big news this week of the mall and that was net flicks finally seeing some I guess slowed expectations as they release their quarterly report to shareholders this week and unfortunately the news is not all that great probably what was most concerning was the fact that it reported a little over two and a half million new customers signed up during the second quarter of this goal twenty nineteen and that's about all well actually it's probably half half of what Wall Street was expecting in that timeframe and they've even lost quite a bit more subscribers than that with over a hundred thousand leaving the service in and of itself and of course with the news of the impending losses of friends and also the office I mean now is not a great time for Netflix and in fact in the last twenty four hours as we're recording this it has lost over seventeen billion. That's with a B seventeen billion dollars in value in the last twenty four hours down over ten percent in its market share during trading this week on Wall Street so it is really really kind of <hes> some nervous purpose times at Netflix even though they are still happy with what they saw out of the popularity and enthusiasm was stranger things season three dead to me they reported at over thirty million views on that show as well some great news there. Obviously they got a ton of Emmy nominations this week not quite as many as H._B._O.. And Jessica and I are going to go into detail here in a little bit but even as good as that news comes the numbers are there that are dwindling for them and mine too. They're still a powerhouse in the streaming world but this can't be a great sign. No no not at all my theory behind that is that people were already intending to cancel their netflix cast wait until a stranger things season three aired and now that it did everyone's cancelling. That's GONNA show up on third quarter earnings report and so that's going to be something that might like you said be even worse yeah and for me like I canceled because I got an email from them saying they raise monthly price to eighteen dollars. Why am I gonNA pay eighteen dollars for something that I don't use faithfully? I don't use it all the time I just use it to watch certain shows and then it just lays dormant for all that time so I I think a lot of people are realizing back when it seven eight dollars a month. It's worth it to keep that subscription just on the off chance you're sitting at home when I want to watch movies on Netflix but now you're paying eighteen dollars for this and it's almost a quarter of the price price of somebody's health insurance like it's nuts it is not a good sign and it's not trending in the right direction and ultimately is probably GonNa get more expensive as years go on even though there's going to be less and less content when it comes to major big names Ames in regards to television the backbone like I said the office and France which were pillars of the actual network itself are going to be leaving to other streaming services here within the next two years and that's GonNa be a tough sign for Netflix that they don't have that backbone mind you they do a great job of providing filmmakers and television. <hes> television producers a great opportunity to put out some quality shows on their streaming service original original programming is at a level that very few can match right now. I'm going to give them props as it were but still like we've always talked about their operating at such a high amount as far as what they have to go ahead and produce what they're operating concert and the deficit that they are always dealing with. They're still the biggest reason why they could go ahead and stay in business and continue to conduct business the way they do this because they're always willing to convince shareholders about the big big numbers they do people actually committing to the service they don't have that as well as they've had in the past that could be a bad sign for Netflix going forward especially in light of all the fact that there's so many other entities coming into the the streaming genre yeah they kind of created the circumstances for their own demise in a way because they showed how successful a streaming platform can be now. Look we have you know C._W.. Has Something N._B._C.'s coming out with their own Onsang H._B._O.. Stars all these stations now after on streaming APPs which is which is you know it's fine in an isolated community like stars in H._B._O.. But now that N._B._C. is seeing how well their shows are doing on. Netflix are pulling the office netflix plus friends and it's just H._B._O.. Warner there's apple. There's Google they're all coming out with streaming services right right and even with the with the Disney thank Disney bus right. I guarantee you Disney would never have invested in a streaming service if they did not see Albany using clicks their contact got on the netflix platform and we're seeing the residual effects of that again as the one of the big news also this week in the T._v.. World was that agents of shield is shutting down after season seven lead and that shows me even more that marvel with also legion as well going away in F._X.. That there's going to be a very small presence in public or broadcast or even cable television when it comes to marvel and that they're focusing all their efforts on what's going to go on with Disney plus yeah right so I I don't know man like Netflix created the circumstances you know at the same time though I look at it this way. Do you think that Netflix may be needs to do a better job of marketing themselves because they have like you said great shows right ratios great stories they can push the envelope to places at a lot of people can't but they don't market it very well like wind altered carbon for instance. I never saw one trailer. Excellent show never saw one trailer stranger. Thank season three. They don't put their trailers. They pop up on facebook feeds but other than like your new sites they don't do that. You don't go around you. Don't see banners on the Internet. You don't see commercials on television if they may get any advertisement it's actually residuals Joel's off of Baskin Robbins Crazy Cola things of that nature yet so why I mean if they were to even go to movie theaters you know like the paper little slot that comes in before the movie starts like in the the Regal Twenty or whatever runoff they still have that but a day so they have excellent content but nobody knows about it but he got recruited with the fact that there is an issue when it comes to the price you mentioned earlier their price has gone up and they did site it somewhat <unk> as a source of why that there's not enough people joining up with Netflix as much as they used to and then there's also people jumping off the ship in more and more quantities due to the price changes their affected and I get that. When you're running with the loss and you also WANNA put out this tremendous amount of content that they have over the course of the past two three years unfortunate there has to be a backlash from it and there does come a point in time where you do have to go ahead and the price to individuals out there has to suffer but in your estimation what would be the price point limit for you? I mean you said eighteen dollars was something that made you bail out. But what would you see as a happy medium because because if they do fifteen dollars a month even ten dollars a month obviously that wasn't enough for them to generate the kind of amount of content that they do but they're in a catch twenty two if they don't go ahead and put on all that content then they lose subscribers okay so for me the twelve dollars twelve dollars many screens as I want because I can pay what seven ninety nine for H._B._O.. And I played on any screen I want or computer but they're not being transparent about what they what the price hikes for. They're like well because you watch aged on Netflix three televisions. I'm going to charge you more money but how does that affect their bottom line at all. I Have Three T._v.'s in my house. So what if I WANNA watch it on another T._v.. So it doesn't it doesn't feel right to me. You know they should say if they're going to do a price hike. They need to give us a reason like give us the content that justifies it because it seems like robbery to me if I WANNA watch netflix on television downstairs but it the second I activated my rate goes up now. We've talked about Netflix and the fact that they are not getting into subscribers that they normally would have and also as well to the expectations of Wall Street as well. Something has to turn around you cannot continue to operate at that high of 'cause they. We do try to put out as much content as they do and go ahead and still continue to conduct the business away you have and they're already losing market. Share already with more streaming services on the horizon in my opinion. The next couple of years are going to be critical for Netflix as far as their longevity is concerned. I want to ask you if you're a betting man. Twenty twenty-five is going to be a net flicks N._f.. It is it will still be viable format in the streaming dreaming world. I'm going to say yes as long as not to put all their eggs in one basket as long as something like stranger things exist <unk> fans have a reason to look forward to another season. There will be people keeping their netflix account. They went into the game with bigger expectations they should have I think if they would have aimed a little smaller they would have done you know they wouldn't be in this predicament right now but again by twenty twenty five everybody's GonNa have streaming service. You're going to be able to watch every channel SCI-FI C._W.. Universal the market's GonNa get smaller and smaller so what I would do. If I were them I would look for in I do more anime. I do more BBC shows right so you have up like inbetween between on their more sure like more more stuff that we can't get in the American market pop it on Netflix along with their original content because something is going stick. There's going to be something that is enticing enough to people to make them WanNa keep their subscriptions but also I thing that less could be more to like if you lower the price down to twelve dollars. You'RE GONNA have more people wanting to subscribing keep their subscriptions so it comes to the point now where Netflix kind of at a crossroads is far as its popularity. I I see this right now. As being at maybe at or near the plateau added near the peak of where they're at could this be going higher or could this be going lower as far as the future for net flicks and we also know that net flakes in and of itself is an anti right now is at the crossroads of where it's at and where it's going in the future. What are your thoughts out there on Netflix? Do you think that they're going to be able to last out for the long term and still be the viable entity that they are now now. Please share your thoughts pop culture cosmos at Yahoo Dot com also while pop culture cosmas humanity comedian and game source on facebook twitter and Instagram as well. You're listening to the pop culture cosmos. Don't touch that dial we do people still use dials. Listen up all you gamers out there. Miracle Food Oil is ramping up the deals on. 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There's trailers coming out left and right and we gotta go into detail right now my friend on it because it chapter two I know they debuted a trailer there Jay and silent Bob Reboot Maverick topgun gun to hustlers but there are more on the way I'm sure lots of news coming out as well from Terminator Dark Fate Quentin Tarantino's already talking all over the place about you know now that once upon a Hollywood is coming out as well so so he's talking about his future a lot of news from there but yes there's a lost of emanating in and around COMECON. That's coming out your thoughts when it comes to some of these trailers are out there. Let's break it down one by one so far that what you've seen Jeanne let's start with. I know the one that you're thinking about the most in that you've talked about the most and that's it chapter two so hit chapter two appears to take place when they're adults of if you read the book the Book alternates so you have the adult chapters they're adults and they have a section following their kids so they they go back and forth the show the story for the movies. They broke it up to where the first on their kids second one. They're adults for you washed a trailer there still some flashbacks than being kids leads. The trailer was good. They did a good job of building suspense. Okay so you know how by the end of the first one they kind of made pennywise seem like joke he lost his terrifying edge but then in the beginning of this one they built him up to be even more terrifying trying that he was at any point in the first one. Apparently he's been lying dorming waiting for the comeback and now they're all back the town because they made that promise in the end of the first one that they are going to take care of it. If things ever happened again and you can tell that they meant to keep that because in the trailers James mcevoy's trying to help the kid who stuck in the the Mir no raw it looks extremely terrifying and kind of excited to watch it but what were your. What's your initial thoughts on it? This is piqued my interest most assuredly I thought it was really good trailer. I know the first trailer with the Old Lady did not set everyone's world on fire. I know people thought those a little bit weird outlandish because we understand as pennywise still trying to manipulate things. I think that trailer just kind of threw some people off it kind of set me like okay. This is where it's gone. This is kind of weird and all that but you know what this trailer right here is obviously what they wanted to go ahead and show what depths that penny wise is going to go to in order to get back at those kids and what the kids who are now adults are going to go ahead and do to stop pennywise and it brings back a lot of memories from the old T._v.. Series that I saw yes. It's very campy. It's very eighty ish in obviously at times. It could be thought of in a very funny anyway when you watch it but still it hearkens back to that plus. Also it obviously delves into the books vary greatly. I know Stephen King has put a stamp of approval on it and I think he is really more satisfied with what's going going on here then some of his other projects that have come out so I really think when it comes to hitch after two it can close out this series from Stephen King in a very strong way. I think it will do really really well at the box office. We'll do more than the seven hundred million dollars plus worldwide that it chapter one garnered you know it really doesn't have to because of the fact that even if it does only five six hundred million dollars it's still going to be seen as a success because the fact that it garnered so much goodwill and so much good fortune in its first go round even if it doesn't get quite as much as the first time around it still has to be considered a success overall even if it doesn't do quite quite what the first one did aw I'm a big fan of what's going on with each chapter to it. Looks like it is going to be a nice culmination of the IT SAGA and I. I really think that they've done a great job with it but again the movie itself we'll have to wait and see overall if it does match expectations of what Stephen King's great novel is All about some in leads me to ask you with Amazon picking up the dark tower. Do you think that this could open up any interest in somebody. Creating a connected connected Stephen King Universe because Dr Tower as we've discussed before is what connects all of his stories because it is one of the creatures that crawl out of the gap in between Midland and the dark tower you would have to think that there could be that possibility ability. I'm hopeful that it is because the fact that it would lead into something larger than just Stephen King Story here Stephen King story there. They are all interconnected in some form or fashion. I would like to see that plus. It would give a lot of love. Up to some other stories in the Stephen King Universe that may need more love. I told you I'm a big Fan of the Mr Mercedes series. I read through all three of the books the Mr Mercedes television series especially those first season did a pretty good job of telling. It's narrative so I'm I'm hopeful that those characters will actually get some love in an overall story arc of a Stephen King Universe. If it were told through the dark tower plus you could put in a penny wise and still have his effect effect because people would still be remembering what happened in the movies and I think that would be something. I think a lot of Stephen King fans would like is an interconnected Stephen King series which would feature from time to time very famous characters characters are even not so famous characters from the Stephen King Universe assuming that the dark tower does not end up being like Sony's massacre of the dark tower by. I think Amazon is GONNA prove a lot of people wrong. I think they're going to have a chance an opportunity to do it right. If that's the case because you see what they're doing lord of the rings they're not going to go ahead and sell anything short with the kind of money that they're spending if they're gonNA spend their money on that I have a feeling they've got to spend top dollar on the Stephen King University as well so if they go ahead and proceed with Dr Tower and try to build an interconnected Stephen King universe. I don't think they're going to make the same mistake that Sony did. When it comes to the movie dark tower that came out just recently all right my friend were talked talked about it chapter two and there's so many more trailers that are out there and getting released more and more if you get a chance and you want the update and where to go for the links on all these trailers that are coming out? Please check out our pop culture COSMAS facebook page. You'll be glad you did because it gives you the latest news and information as emanates from COMECON and as it comes out by all these studios putting out all these different trailers I gotta tell you about. Do you have the need. Do you have the need for speed when it comes was to the new top gun to maverick trailer that just came out okay so the jet scenes were really cool but there is something about the conversation between him and Ed Harris that did not sit right with me. It felt like dialogue that didn't flow hello well together and I'm hoping that that was just two separate scenes cut up I was going to ask you how did you feel about it didn't feel right to me. There's something off about it. I think they're trying to establish that Mavericks. Hericher had the opportunity who needed go ahead at advance even farther in the armed services than he did and chose not to or didn't for some reason or another it was a little bit disjointed but I have a feeling like you said that it was something taken out for maybe one or two different conversations -tations or more that take place over the course of the movie and they're not just from one same consistent flowing conversation Siva feeling that it is trying to be interjected from maybe different conversations different points in time during the movie so I'm hopeful that that's the case because it did seem a little bit disjointed but again that doesn't detract from the same beautiful imagery we saw when he's in the jet now mind you they did go ahead on rehash overload and some of the images images showing word copied straight from the old movie. I mean there were some scenes where he's writing in the bike alongside the jet. Okay we get that we saw that yeah yeah yeah yeah but still for the nostalgia factor and people who love Tom Cruise cruise in top gun. I think this will get people's adrenaline pumping. I think that's exactly what they're looking for. When it comes to a top gut to right right but our modern action movies are straight up action moves they have a field to right some wondering like what's the line going to be? It's going to be straight up action or they still going to have those moments that made the first film so iconic the volleyball the part in the bars in the love story between the Tom Cruise and Kelly McGinnis yeah. Are they going to have that or just going to be a strain of action movie because if you look at the way was filmed it was filmed very heavy very like I don't know the the tone a tone but the colors in the film trailer were very dark so it makes you wonder exactly what kind of movie were getting here and it does show a cemetery seen so somebody dies into film. Could it be maverick himself and while they bring up new pilots movie because there may be handed off to a newer younger set or if if in the movie it's just something that transpired that not only are. We telling Tom Cruise story but they're showing younger pilots. That may be a younger audience can adapt to as well so they're trying to may be take care of all those mediums because we've seen that before where you have the old standby Dan by favors but you also have younger individuals in the movie trying to cater to a younger audience as well to appease all sides we may see that as well come across in come into play when it comes to a maverick Topgun too so we'll we'll see what happens but so far the images from the actual jet itself when he's on a really really cool to look at it will be interesting to see where this falls out when it comes out next year but I know a lot of people are excited for it. There's still a lot of nostalgia in play in even though you and I've talked about before at Nauseam as far as nostalgia being overdone to an extent when it comes to Hollywood and reboots and remakes and all that stuff they're still every now and then is something that can garner attention that can garner love because it brings expect that nostalgia in a positive manner and so far top gun to maverick is looking like it will do just that something else as well trying to garner all that nostalgia from the nineties is chant silent Bob's reboot back movies movies coming out next year as well and the red band trailer came out and that is available the link on our pop culture Casa's facebook page. I know this appeases to a lot of different Kevin Smith fans out there and they're excited to see Jay and silent Bob back your thoughts <unk> as they bring the entire band back together a lot of familiar faces in the same places in the same outfits do the same type of dialogue with the same characters from all of his previous movies that are really involved in their your thoughts on Jan silent. Oh Bob Coming back to a movie theater near you. I am excited care. I'm I've always been big Kevin Smith Fan. His movies are fantastic but I admire him for the fact that he's willing to push the envelope. If you watched the trailer he's keeping Jay and silent Bob for the way they are but you know just to go through what it took to get this movie made was that he originally set out to do clerks three and then turns out. He didn't own the rights to clerks than he tried to do mallrats. I didn't own the rights to Marat's either. The only property that he owns in full is Jay and silent Bob so that's the reason for this movie but it looks like it's basically just a commentary on all superhero movies that remakes in the originality Saudi of Hollywood and there's nobody thinks that I can tell that story than Kevin Smith you know it has its niche still in twenty nineteen. I think a lot of people still want to go ahead and check that out so yet Jay and silent Bob Shoot Garner a lot of interest but this is the type of nostalgia that might not go off as well as as a lot of people are hoping to because the creating a story that's fresh that people wanna see or is it just rehashing a lot of old ideas. I'm not as big a Kevin Smith Fan as as you are I. I'd like to say I am you know his stuff has been pretty good with me but I'm not seeing something. That's really overwhelmed me outside of clerks. I think clerks to me. I think was really really good. When I saw it? I really enjoyed it. He's really not connected with with me on a film one hundred percent since then and <hes> you know not to his discredit because he's a huge pop culture fan and to that I just give him tremendous props for being because st he has such enthusiasm for a lot of the major pop culture hi constant route their star Trek Star Wars Marwood happy. I'm just not sure if Jay and silent Bob which was an entity again similar to what we saw with bill and Ted's three. That's also coming out next year. One of those two movies I I think is not going to hit and of the two I think the one with more nostalgic love right now I think is bill and Ted's reaches because we've talked about the piano thoughts and I think Keno is going to end up being a little bit more powerful named draw than the return of Kevin Smith and Jay and silent Bob. This movie could go one or two ways like you could bomb or it could create renaissance this style movie. Maybe more Kevin Smith films going down the line and who knows maybe Miramax. We'll see how popular this one does. The let Kevin Smith make the third clerks movie like he wanted to but you know we don't know I I wanna see it but yet it's totally relying on nostalgia. I guess you'd have to go back. It looks like you have to go back and watch the old Jay and silent Bob movie to fully understand. What's going on on this one but I'm hopeful man? I'm hopeful as a my friend I don't WANNA go ahead and knock it down. Just real quick but I have a feeling and this is just a feeling and I'm hopefully I'm wrong. When it comes to Jay and silent Bob the reboot then also you have bill and Ted's excellent adventure number three but I'm not sure if ultimately that success is gonNA come out for both my hope is that they do but we'll have to wait and see and also the news came out with Terminator Dark Fate? It is going to be R.. Rated and Edward Furlong is coming back. It was announced that he is going to be again a part of the Terminator Franchise once again your thoughts after all the personal issues that Edward Furlong has had how strong part of it will he be. Are you excited that Edward Furlong it's going to be coming back to Terminator Dark Fate and that it will be an R. rated. Phil knows weird for a second there that you're GonNa ask me about the trailer for cats which was just droplets twenty minutes ago which looks absolutely terrifying back determinator though I feel like he is the best person to play a part like that though because he's been through a lot and yet his name is never had a lot of positive things associated with it but John Connor. There's been through a lot so who knows man. Maybe could match up pretty well. He was an integral part of the second one like he's very important character and I gotta say even with this news. I'm still not excited to see the movie. I don't see it saving the movie. It really does not make any sense chance to me. It's still going to confuse a lot of people because it read conic so many of the old terminator films but as a fan of movies from the eighties so what are your thoughts on it. Does this entice you to come back to the Franchisor you curious about it at all why it stated before my indifference since when the first trailer came out and this still does not move the needle in one direction or the other I was a big fan of the first two films in the Terminator Series. I've unfortunately sat through the other ones at various points in time. I'm AB- serious man. I'm just going to be something that I'm looking forward to May go on T._v.. For me one day maybe Netflix streaming or what have you but for me. It's just not going to be something that I'm going to go out of my way and watch as of now no matter who they bring back no matter if they bring Edward Furlong back no matter if they bring Linda Hamilton bag now whether if they bring Arnold Schwarzenegger back no matter who they bring back it still doesn't mean as much to me as a once did because of all the bad movies that have taken place since the type of Terminator two and that's unfortunately their own doing with the property in and of itself if James Cameron truly cared about the Terminator Franchise as he says he does you would have never let it get that bad and first place. I don't care care. I don't care there's at this point feels like there's not a lot that they can do to make me care about it again but that's some of the trailers that have just come out and some thoughts on it if you have thoughts on any of the trailers that have exploded onto the scene that rep come out during the course source of COMECON and in the coming days including the cats trailer that just came out with Taylor Swift Idris Elba Judi densch out there meow meow meow. Please shares your thoughts pop culture cosmos at Yahoo Dot Com. We'll be reporting the stuff again all throughout throughout the weekend. When it comes to our pop culture cosmos facebook page get also check out our twitter handle as well pop culture cosmo and you'll get the latest news and Info right there on our news stream well coming up next? We've got just good box from the T._v.. Ratings EATINGS GUIDE DOT COM. 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GUIDE DOT COM including reviews obviously ratings news of course and also original programming and so much more it is my good friend Miss Jessica Box Jessica. Thanks for coming on the show and I'll tell you what a Lotta Emmy nods were out there. What was the first thing that you saw that just jumped out right at you? First of Oh I've saw all the overflow of game of thrones in the nominations especially especially in the drama series and in the drama categories. I think thirty two if I'm not mistaken that's correct. There's a lot in the major categories but there were way more nominations and it was funny because some of the actors actors were not promoted by H._B._O.. To be set up to even considered for the EMMYS and three of the actors themselves that were nominated had actually self register for the Emmy nominations and that was kind of funny. They had to do it on their own on H._B._O.. Wasn't GonNa do it for them and they still got nominated but that leads me into my first big question when it comes to the emmy nominations and that is your right game of thrones dominated the Emmy nominations with thirty two to be exact is that too much praise for a show that in its final season got a lot of mixed reviews from the critics got a lot of mixed reception from the fans I believe as far as the technical and production standpoint standpoint yes it is most definitely one of the best shows on television from that aspect and they deserve every nomination from that aspect as far as acting and other types of nominations Orlov's from the television academy. I'm not sure that this would have been the case if it wasn't his final season because the fact that it was its final season. I think they're getting a lot of nominations just because I feel it maybe a little bit over-bloated. Especially for a season like I said was not the best that game of thrones could offer well. That's correct. There's so many I can think of that. Only three to five had desirable performances performances in that is held the final season was written and not necessarily from an acting standpoint is just the characters that Emilia Clarke Kit Harrington in some of the actors at played they were not pro-trade afraid in the best possible light academies have a tendency to the Oscars do the same thing where they give nominations and or awards to someone or an entity or individual or project whatever that hat maybe been thought of as overdoing the industry and people are possibly giving all these nominations to the game of thrones because of its longevity or as a lifetime service award or something like that for it how many fans it it catered to and how many fans at appeased over the course of most of the eight seasons think there are probably other more deserving individuals that might have deserved nominations instead but again a lot of it is reputation when it comes comes to weigh these academies thank and game of thrones certainly has one of the biggest reputations that are out there especially after the kind of volume and the kind of ratings it garnered over the course of his last season and leading into that with all all those nominations and also of course some of the other shows that H._B._O.. Was a part of it actually took as a network the most nominations over net flicks which had previously had that record your thoughts on H._B._O.. Taking over that type of mantle and now has those bragging rights at the most lauded network on television. I think a lot of people had a little bit of a backlash against Net flicks because in recent times when it comes to both the Emmys and the Oscars all the love that Netflix was getting over the course of the most recent times has received a backlash in the industry of Hollywood when it comes to them as a streaming outlet gaining so much political and creativity ativity clout. You got all those shows on H._B._O.. Basically killing it right now in the nomination in technical when the drama aspect but in comedies I was pretty supplies D- with veep not getting as many nominations especially for its final season. We'll tell you what there was a some surprised when it comes to networks and F._X.. F._X. to me outside of Netflix and H._B._O.. Oh probably produces the highest quality programs that are out there as a group. I'm not saying per program basis. I'm saying as a group as a collective H._B._O.. Net flicks and F._X.. To me seemed to be a one to N._F._S.. Case <unk> a distant three when it comes to the sheer number of quality programming is out there and I think that was also represented with pose and other shows from ethics getting some love but the one show that I think a lot of people are pointing to as a big surprise surprise was something that was mentioned to me by our friends at the pop culture is a gallon of gay podcast on a recent episode and that was Shits Creek and of course that is S. C. H. I._T._T.. Kassir Fiesta Creek that show on pop TV actually Garner some love for best comedy series and also for acting nods as well so even though that H._B._O.. Netflix and again like I said F._X.. Some real creative powerhouses got most of the love there were still some surprises out there from shows that the academy is watching and does appreciate every now and then some good television from other aspects of the television around we'll pose. Rose from F._X.. Also got some major nominations and then you also have the Netflix Limited series when they see us is the one about the central park five that also got a nominations in their as best limited series and for all this love that all those entities are getting. There's not a lot left over when it comes to broadcast networks and I wanna hear your thoughts on broadcast networks the love that they're not getting anymore from the T._v.. Academy apparently the fact that quality television that the academy is pointing towards two are different directions that what we're seeing on A._B._C. C._B._S.. N._B._C. and Fox for the most part they're some they're still mind you but it's not to the point where once was were. They were the ones that were dominating and Netflix and H._B._O.. Were in past years smaller entities that only got a little the tide has now turned and I want to ask screw question when it comes to the broadcast networks is good television is still going to be heading at any point in time at all to broadcast networks. I think as long as there is T._v.. And as Alana's there is broadcast T._v.. They're still going to be some good shows. No doubt the good place and this is us are still getting some love from the academy but that remains to be seen with broadcast networks a lot of them are turning towards the reality and the unscripted part though and that's probably not getting good results from a monetary standpoint. Even though it's supposedly makes more money I think also even those shows that do not get as much love are also loved by fans in it. Even though the critics hated or some reason there are audiences at love it too or when it comes to all the emmy nominations that are out there. I know there's going to be some that got snubbed and also some individuals and shows that might be surprised that they got in now. There's been a lot of speculation who got snubbed. who was a surprise but I want to hear from you and what the folks at the TV ratings guide dot com thank who was a surprise for staff in getting in either a individual actor a show or what have you what was the major surprises for you and the folks at the TV ratings guide on what surprises there were as far as nominations that it just came out of left field for you? Look Kinda came out of left Field Fosse Verdon it was actually limited series on F._X.. And that God end that came out of love feel it was a gun show. Oh I believe that's one with Sam Rockwell in it is and his talent. I know is appreciated by Hollywood industry as a whole he's considered one of the top actress right now in the marketplace and his name really pushed that show into that spotlight why even though as far as ratings is concerned it didn't garner the hugest ratings ever but it's still did nicely and garnered some nice acclaim Agassi when it comes to the emmy nominations and like to you I think a lot of people kind of I forgot about it but still it garnered some nice acclaimed during the emmy nominations this week but are there any other surprises as well for you as far as from either an individual or a show aspect there was one in the reality eh aspect that shouldn't have gotten in from a rating standpoint and I would be James Corden the world's best in not from like a hosting standpoint but from a rating standpoint it was the lowest show on on C._B._S. and he still got nominated as a reality host in there and I think that show might be on its way of getting canned for me a couple of surprises. I'M GONNA probably have to say of the surprises is in the comedy series. I am going to say that Russian. Doll Russian doll was something that was lauded by critics everywhere but I'm not sure if it had enough notoriety as far as viewing is concerned to even garnered for that but I'm glad to see that it did get in. I'm kind of surprised that it that it got enough in but then again when Netflix is pushing it it doesn't have a tendency to have a chance to get in there as an emmy nomination and as a show it did it is probably of the shows in the comedy series category. It is probably the most lauded by critics this year so it definitely has a good chance to win. Now that is in. I'm just surprised that got remembered because of the sheer amount of Netflix shows that you're out there and the fact that it is not the most popular of Netflix show some glad to see a guy that kind of love also another surprise to me. I think was probably that game of thrones just getting so many sheer nominations nations. I think that's probably to me the one big surprise of the mall and the fact that again it wasn't the most appreciated by fans or critics out there. When it came to excellence this year compared to previous seasons previous the seasons were much more beloved not only from an acting but also swell from a overall standpoint but again production and design and set-pieces and costuming and technical aspects because H._B._O.? uh-huh put so much money into it I can see getting a lot of love there but all the great acting that we normally will see in the series some of it was there obviously in this final season but not to the extent. I think that a lot of people were hoping for when it comes do what was going on with the game of thrones so that was a big surprise at got thirty two nominations that are out there okay. I got to hear your thoughts on what were some of the snobs when it comes to not getting some love from the T._v.. Academy when it concerns the Emmy nominations this year I was pretty surprised when some of the actors from the Connors most notably Laurie metcalf didn't even get any emmy love this year both the lead actors or supporting actress category and then there's also a show on C._W.. Which I know you have a great affinity for that is in its final season? That didn't get any love crazy ex girlfriend every year always get snubbed on the major categories though and I didn't see that you get nominated for technical either for me. I think one of the biggest snubs that's out. There is in the outstanding comedy series standpoint and while N._B._C.. He did score a nomination with the good place. I think it's best comedy and that's just my opinion is superstore. I think that show should have received some love as an outstanding comedy series and probably from a actor sure actress standpoint not seeing Julia Roberts in homecoming not being nominated even though she is a huge name in the industry still to this point and now that she's starting to do more television and things of that nature not seeing her in their getting snubbed kinda surprising to say the least. I feel like there's also like with specific actors to like Sarah Paulson didn't get nominated Connie Britton verb dirty. John did not get nominated in McCain and they bang theory was totally shunned for its final season and that includes Jim Parsons as well. There's certain constraints which the broadcast networks apt to go ahead and abide by which it's great for family viewing things of that nature but when it comes to being able to push that envelope being able to go ahead and show things that might be questionable might be controversial but also will provide a more realistic gritty and more beloved view by Academy members and critics alike. It's going to go ahead and have that disadvantage and it's only going to get much worse as time goes on when it comes to the dominance that you're gonNA continue to see from streaming outlets H._B._O.. And Cable Oh outlets as they continue to go ahead and delve into those topics which broadcast networks can't and with so many more streaming outlets that are coming out there like apple like Disney plus and so many other outlets as well that are going to bring their own it shows it's GonNa be interesting to see where this continues to lead when it comes to emmy nominations and how the T._V. Academy and Hollywood continued to perceive television as a whole but one last thing we're not going to snap is your information on what's going on at the TV ratings guide DOT COM so please Philipson before we had on out Jessica on what's going on with your awesome sight. The TV Ratings Guy Dot com we have reviews we have renew new cancel indexes that are coming out in the fall but we do have our own summer renew cancel we have original shows and we also have some of the the latest ratings news to come on the TV ratings guide and we also have our ratings and reviews databases as we write about the ratings aspect of her favorite shows and how they fall all right and there's a lot to talk about indeed because we've got a fall season coming up up. You're going to be back on in early August to give us our August T._v.. Update once again it is just a box Jessica any last thoughts no last thoughts other than rust in Peace Asians of shield. Yes rust in peace agents of Shield Indeed Jessica. 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I know you've heard the news toys R. US is back towards the Russ's back toys Rosa's back. Is it back what kind of my friend it's. It's Kinda back because it was announced today that they are coming back for the holiday season with two locations. That's right two locations here in the United States in Paramus New Jersey and also as well Houston. They're going to have to locations there but it's GonNa be Kinda different and and the thing that actually in the articles in the press release that came out you know what they still have over nine hundred stores. That was the thing that got to me. Is that why they're still succeeding overseas when they can't make it here yeah. I don't know man man. I don't like the idea of a revival it's only happening in two places and if you look at what they're talking about it barely looks like a shadow toys r. s it looks more like a Lego store than anything they did mention that it's going to be less toy's available less toys on the shelves. It's going to be more of an interactive experience and going to be something more that's experienced and touched and and as far as interacted with then something that you can go ahead and and see it's available seal the toys I get that to an extent because a lot of stuff on the shelves lot of inventory it tastes a lot of money to go ahead and support that type ill and obviously that's one of the reasons why toys arrest medicine fortunate demise here in the United Estates said they had so many big stores with so much inventory that they just couldn't go ahead and go through them all in a in a in a decent amount of time to satisfy their debtors creditors that were out there so they did what they did when it comes to toys restores but again when you're going head and using the toys R. US name a lot of people are going to be not so pleasantly surprised when they go into those stores and they see it's not going to be exactly the toys R. US they remember so so what is the strategy making a comeback. That doesn't sell toys. People Love Toys R. US for the fact that you can go in pick up the box turn around she was on it. Maybe have smaller stores. I totally get that but don't do this whole <music> interactive experience saying because that's not toys arrest. That's a different store. Don't brand yourself toys R. US. If you're going to do that exactly and that seems to be the case that they're just banking on the toys R. US Name and the style jet here we go again in fact we might have to rename this podcast than the style jet Cosmo's podcast because the fact we all we've talked about today show deals with nostalgia in many ways so you know what I'm GonNa say this the style that works both ways for and against and we're going to wait and see if people are still going to be enthused by toys R. US coming back in the form and fashion as it did and if by this time next year there are more towards US stores opening up because they've talked about that in the press release is that they're going to go ahead into high volume areas. I'm assuming L._A.. Chicago New York maybe even here in Vegas. Maybe even there in Orange County where you're at. Maybe another high-volume areas as well that they're going to go ahead and be a presence. It's still not going to be the presence. I think a lot of people were remembering. Were hoping for that. They're just going to be another store in the mall and to me that would be kind of sad yeah and I wondered too is going to affect the alleged comeback K._b.. Toys which this is something that could generate buzz now that toys arrest is not what it used to be that will remain to be seen but yes the toy store experience is probably not going to be ever the same as what we remember it and what we had chosen Roydon appreciate about it because toys R. 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Brightburn Q&A - Brian & Mark Gunn - David Yarovesky

The Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith

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Brightburn Q&A - Brian & Mark Gunn - David Yarovesky

"Look up in the sky, it's a bird plane. Nope. It's a creepy little twelve year old alien fiend, who's been sent here to destroy us all proving universally that the kids, these days, even from other planets are completely out of control and there's not a damn thing we could do to stop them. Howdy. I'm Jeff Goldsmith. And this is the QNA. My agenda is simple. Each week. I plan to bring you in depth insights into the creative process of storytelling folks, if there is a way to stop these pesky alien preteens. I certainly don't have a clue how to do so. But what I do know is that it was definitely a blast to talk about this disturbingly chilling scifi horror alien, invasion, flick, which I hope you'll go see that's right. We're talking about bright, burn, and, hey, it was a record breaker of an episode right from the start as I learned that not just one of today's guests. But in fact, all three are longtime podcast listeners who basically broke the record for the most podcast listeners who made it to the stage, all at once in one episode. So that was kind of. Cool. And as you'll hear it was a really fun interview with co writers, Brian, and Mark gun and director, David year of Eski as we chatted about all the gory details from bright, burn, and, you know, it's always great to see in original, standalone scifi, horror, film. And therefore, I hope you'll make sure to go Seabright burn while it's invaders to show, your support, and hopefully at the same time, send the message loud and clear that we want more films like bright burn without a doubt. Brian, Mark, and David truly went for it when it came to decoding their creative process and what it took to make this film. So I know you'll dig this episode and speaking of things to dig we dig today's sponsor, the fine folks at screen craft. 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And then I hope you'll consider subscribing, by the way, if you'd like to attend one of my screenings here in Los Angeles. It's generally free to do so and you could sign up at backstory dot net. Just click on the screenings tab, and you could sign up to get on our free invite list, which would allow you to bring a guest, but now without any further ado, let's jump right? Onto the stage. The Los Angeles film school right after I introduced Carruthers, Brian, and Mark gun and director David euro Vaske to chat about their latest film bright burn. Thank you for sticking around. All right. I think that since we're sitting here at the Los Angeles film school. It's just a good as anyplace to start. Did you guys go to film school? First of all, Jeff, I want to say off three of us have been listening to this podcast for a longtime office, we love. This makes you the twenty second twenty third and twenty fourth in that order listeners who've come to the stage. That's excellent well to the to the point where there are movies that I have gone to see that otherwise would not have seen because I saw, there was a podcast interview on it. So I will go see the movie, just so I can listen to podcast, so it's an honor to be here. Thank you. Yes. We literally geeked out about it. Like, like add our premier, we were like, oh, you excited. So true. Yeah. So have you guys and like I hope that, that happens with your movie in which listeners around the world who haven't yet seen it go see it, and you guys had a pretty solid opening weekend, and we'll get into that as well. But did you guys go to film school? Did you study film? I, I went to USC for directing grad school for one year, and it was not for me. Really? So that was that took off like. What did you like the main thing I didn't like was at that school at that time, it was a long time ago? It's like almost twenty years ago, start interrupt was at the time of ozzy's. I dunno as he's so you don't know that story. Now, tell us I don't think I should tell now the legislation there was. A very dangerous person wants at USC I don't know. You won't find it in many Google searches. But okay, it was in the film school specific you'll have to tell us you're gonna love. But I at that time, there was there seemed to be the way to get the Plum assignments at USC grad school, directing program was to make the kind of movies that the professors liked that wasn't my sensibility. This was more sensibility and I recognize pretty quickly that I was never going to get ahead there. And so I decided, I would go do something else with my money. That's what I was. I was at USC in the first film that I made in my to ninety class which was the super eight class undergrad was a serial killer movie that was that was pretty realistic. I mean, not compared the over with the faculty banned from speaking in class to defend to go see the dean because rather than all the students that do student films. I actually went to the casting office, which they had their of all the photos. I got, like a seventy five seventy eight year old man who later ended up in like a music video, and like just had one of those faces that's like really weathered and terrifying. And they didn't like it because they said, hey, where's the FBI coming to save the? Girl, I'm like over seventy or eighty percent of serial killer never caught in the United States. So why honestly, that was that was part of my experience, there was, if you didn't make the type of movies, they liked sort of politically, you out, so you could never get ahead. So it wasn't the place, by the way, last people have gone there and had a great ex-. I liked it super successful, so included. Yep. So that was just my experience in film school. I got into the dean's office again. Did you did you go? There you go. Did not go to film school now. What would you study? Where'd you go to school? I went to a small liberal arts college up east called Holy Cross college. So good. Whereas it was looking at its in Worcester, Massachusetts as Mark actually was a year behind me at the same college where we started writing. We wrote. We actually were involved in like a comedy troupe. We moved out to Los Angeles. Our earliest stuff was actually a comedy so much like bright burn. Right. We'll get into that new second day. No, I did not go to film school. I went to Moorpark junior college for about four weeks. And then I dropped out of that. And I, I call school was just not my thing I was not good at learning and. Life and general and I was like, making these shorts for a really long time. And I was trying to raise money at the same time that I was in school to make a short and I ran into west craven in a parking lot, and a Lita down. Yeah. And I told him that, that, that was the coolest thing in the whole world and good shit out of me when I was five, and then I wanna make movies by. Yeah. I saw really young. Wow. I. After dark. No, no, no. That's a whole other story. But I rented it, my mom and dad still are mad at each other over it. But, but, but, but anyways, he, he came and had a beer with me. And we sat and talked, and he gave me three hundred bucks to help me start raising the money for this thing. That's awesome. Yeah, he was. He was pretty amazing. And so I ended up at school the next day and they would teach me how to turn a camera on, and I was like fuck this. I just met, west craven gave me three hundred bucks talking out of here. Graduated early. That's right. And it only took me twenty more years to be here right now. Let's wait. I've just got to as just just for the follow the money people. Did you make your short film with the three hundred? Yes, it is sucks. Okay. But you did you learn from. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I was having a fundraiser that night for the film. So he he was having a retrospective on his work at the junction theater. And we were at the trauma offices like a block away. And so Lloyd gave me the place to throw a party to try to raise money. And so he came over, and I raised, you know, that night, something like ten thousand dollars on on the backs of like friends and family and people who came out, and like Trey Parker and Matt stone showed up, just because they awesome about it through Lloyd and gave me money. And I was like, you know, at twenty twenty year old kid who had all these people who were huge influences on me, giving me money to make something. And so I was a bit. Like, maybe I don't need school. Maybe I'll just keep doing this. And so I promised myself that have worked stopped that I would go back to school. But it didn't stop for me. So that's awesome. Tells the title, I want the title short film because I know you're never going to post it online. No, I cannot how are not share with, you know, you were talking about Trump. Is that where you met is that where you met James, James Gunn? The reason why can't share it is because it's also my XBox, gamertag, and I do not want anyone to search it and find me just to tell you this. If you didn't say that it was your XBox gamertag, nobody would have ever known. Yourself on that. But okay. Then someone else which is. You're right. You're right. Well, so is that where you met James that trauma? No. Well, I met James going executive producer does your does have a history. That's how I know you whether his cousin yes, yes, it's a wild. It kind of I mean I made friends throughout the years of people who were there, and they knew James, and I ended up at a party with James, and he, we were outside and he stepped in dog shit as I was meeting him. He stepped in dog shit, and I laughed at him and he made fun of me. And then we knew we'd be friends, and then that was basically it sounds right. Right. A a. Yes, we were we were immediately friends. I mean, he was I met him and I knew him as the guy who wrote dawn of the dead. And I was like holy shit. I wrote down to the dead. He's amazing, and he made slither but, but he was also kind of the, the guy who lived down the street from me in studio city. And so we kind of quickly just became buddies, you know. He wasn't. He was making a lot of films at the time he was, he was kind of just a buddy of mine, you know. And but through him, I met all you is. He has a clan is a dense Klansman's, and I met, right? Where did you meet James? I I'm joking. We shared a uterus. Not at the same time or did you places a mess? So here's my question. Breaking stories always always like to hear like, like your first gig and the first big one that I know that you guys got together, as writers was taking your MTV movie which became a series to get her or to gather or however, the hell, you want us together. That was the name of the boy band together. But, like if you look at it, it's all. And it was like a send up like a spinal tap of boy bands. It was very funny. So it goes back to your comedic roots that you were talking about what was it like getting that first big gig and, like, being suddenly produced writers, we were we were pretty young. And it was really the first thing we ever did was we pitched MTV this spinal tap about boy bands. This is when boy bands were in a heyday, which they kind of are again, maybe they always were, and all of the company comeback seen an MTV made it. And before it even aired they called us and said, we want to turn this into a series and it's your guys this show. So we had a show on the air before we knew what we were doing at all. And the show ran for two seasons. And we had a blast and we learned a lot. The was ocassionally successful and funny, it was funny. Sometimes it was fun. Thanks. Dave. I laugh. They were talked about this. But I like to tell you that. Thank you. But that was really are that got us an agent. And it was from there. We, we kind of moved away from TV and started doing features after that, for we'd be your biggest lesson could have running TV show at a young age being silly, like what was something that was an eye opening moment that informed your creative process thereafter, the pretend you know what you're doing this? Belief MTV in particular. It's like the train does not slow down. And people are constantly coming to you, saying, you know. Do you want to, you know, we've got ten different types of wristwatches this character supposed to be wearing, which one is it and half the time. You're like I didn't even think about the restaurants. I have no idea. But you're just like that one. Absolutely. That one and you just have to, like you have to exude confidence because we really I mean that, that our first job in the business was executive producer and it was terrifying. And we were incredibly lucky, but we are also incredibly scared, and we were feeling our way. And so it was just really important to not only be really prepared into work really hard. But also just just. You know, have have a vision stick to it, and obviously, you, you need to collaborate. Obviously, you need to listen to other people, but, but if you start running around with your hair on fire, it affects everybody in the whole entire crew. So so that was really a big lesson on only one out of twelve wristwatches can be funny. So exactly the right. It was amazing. How many times the the prop person who I help never listen to this come to us in a scene, where the wristwatch played no role in the scene at all? And he had like all these funny wristwatches. It's the scene is not about this watch you don't have to have a funny wristwatch. I want to say something you guys about that because I talk about this all the time. My, my wife is a costume designer. She was a costume designer this. She designed the mass. Mass ask all the other costumes, but that one seems to say. But we talk about this all the time, because she works with people who are finding themselves the first time in control of a project, and she comes to them, and it's like here which this one or this one and gets that look from people who are, like, I don't know what should I never thought of which are what we realized is that, like a lot of times, this is certainly true in me. I don't know if this drew you. But when you imagine all this time like going to make your first project, you imagine like the production design working with actors and cameras and lights, but you rarely imagine costumes or like the like the conversations that you'll have around wardrobe and, and those decisions at that level. And so it is a weird phenomenon where people like, like oftentimes first time, I certainly was first time filmmakers are totally caught off guard by wardrobe related questions. I you guys also co wrote on PG porn, which was hilarious. I thought I had to call that out. In case there's people. Out there that have not seen it. And then just like one of the bricky and thing like your first big feature head like or chance was journey to the mysterious island. And you were you were writers on it. What was what was your biggest eye-opening experience for that as feature writers on a produced film? I'm sure you had other films that were produced that point. But the first produced project. What are the big things was writing for movie star, Dwayne Johnson is the star that and, and he was great. But you realize how much those big vehicles are, are sort of built around that movie stars. Personality, which had a perfect personality for that. And he was great really collaborative. But that was that's a skill that I think you have to learn as a writer, as you start really understanding his personality and kind of how to infuse it in your protagonist was so much. It wasn't exactly his personality. It was his. It was his sense of what that character should be, and he was good at conveying that to us, and he's clearly good at convenient to a lot of other writers is movies all sort of have his, his stamp on them. But you have to understand how to turn that stamp into dialogue and into action. And if you can't, then you'll be replaced so that was that was for me. That was the biggest opening and it's not just actors. I mean we were. In the past we'd written stuff either that, that, that never got made or on a much smaller scale. And we realize the extent to which being a professional screenwriter was not so much writing it was rewriting and adapting and fitting to not just the, the actor, but the director and the and trying to fit for budget, and special effects, and in constantly, making a zillion compromises and still somehow trying to keep your your vision intact, but trying to fuse that vision with a thousand other people's visions, it's it can be really, really grueling. And. I feel like we've taken with that on every other project, we've worked on Dave, I know you, you did some music, videos, you even directed inferno for guardians of the galaxy James guns movie, and eventually, you your feature break was the hive in two thousand fourteen it was. Yeah. I, I made like something like eighty music videos across ten years of doing it couple commercials. Although my work was always a little dark and so commercials weren't, like jumping at the chance to have me have someone pulled PISA glass out of there. I in, in in there. You know, I don't know car commercial, but Jacqueline's KOMO. Jacqueline's KOMO contact lens. But, but, but yes. So, so then I had I had this movie is opportunity come up to make this movie, the hive it was a little like half a million dollar super down and dirty indie. I mean real down and dirty, and we shot it in like seventeen days. Yeah. It was. It was it was a bear. What was your what was your biggest creative, listen? Like maybe something that informed your process that carried on. And then obviously we're gonna get to write burn. Oh man. I mean it was it was a lesson. An hour ready trail by four. Yeah, it was a trial by fire. I mean it's interesting because every skill you develop to make a movie like that. You have to throw out to make a movie like this really wasn't well, because, you know, a movie like that, and even a lot of the music videos that I made were so low budget. You know, you start out and you're like an Indy guy and they come to you, and they're like, here's fifty grand. Can you make something with it? And you. Oh, sure sure, give me the money and I'll give you a video. But, but. But in that in that process you, you become the production coordinator, you become your own line producer. You know, you you're sad, many days your own. I d you know, you're doing every hat because, you know, the goal is to just have something that makes sense and kind of works at the end and don't embarrass yourself, too badly. And then, and then you get to here, which obviously is still pretty low budget movie, but, but it just is different because we have a support system, I've coordinators producers, and the support of really great people around me. And suddenly, all those skills to just be able to piece together something don't matter because I have people do all that. So now I just have to be creative, and I just have to. I just have to be a director and only only focus on that one aspect of the job that so many parts, you know, Brian Mark when did the idea for Brin star? I know you've been acid a million times, but the short version of the evil superhero kind of mythology. It was a couple years back. I was. I hope my son never listened to this. But my wife and I were adopting a child and. And so I was coming into the office a lot with Mark, and we were working on other projects, we had a we have a we have another son, who's a biological child. But, but and I was just talking through what is like, I was having a lot of anxiety about adoption and wondering what this child was going to be like and, and through talking with Mark. We realized that the process of adopting a child is really not that much different than having a child biologically, which is that in some sense, you are inviting a stranger into your house, because you don't know what you're going to get and, and we start talking about that alive. But that almost actually seemed like a horror premise to us in those conversations we start talking about comic book characters who have taken in babies that crash landed on earth, and that they found on their property, and we were like what possessed these people to like take this child in raise it as their own. I mean, like, you know, sure, in the comic books that turns out, great, they usually are noble and heroic. But it could have gone many, many different ways. And we started talking about what happened if this baby grew up to be something much more sinister. And that really was the, the origin of burn. I want to talk about your creative habit for a second. When you sit down to write how important is outlining to your process, and Dave, of course after they finished. You could join as well because I know you're a writer to you didn't right on bright bird. Outlining is probably takes. We spend most of the time outlining frankly, because I feel like when you're just getting the Klay down. It feels so much more malleable when as the outline stage before you. It's sometimes when it when we put it into dialogue starts to harden a little bit. We get a little more possessive about it. And so we the two of us is just constant talking through things and moving stuff around and talking about, and we feel like if we have a good salad backbone if we have a good outline than. Becomes very easy to write dialogue. Mark how long did it take on bright burn to get your first outlined on the first outlined was probably a month and a half, and then we probably got the script in three weeks. Probably guys. Are you guys treatment esque form outlines or, you know, Carter, the first we do not know card? Maybe we should, but the fertile one way to do it the first the first step is usually a sort of broad strokes document Google docs. I don't I'm not sponsored by Google doc. Although if they want to sponsor me, I'll, I'll take the money and then the second step is usually a much more detailed outline scene by scene, and then we'll go to script, but that, but those each of those stages that first stage takes a long time and I know a lot of writing teams because I've heard them on your on this podcast. And I read them in your magazine. They, they will split up and right seen separately. And then send scenes back and forth. We just have never worked that way we sit in a room to it. We have an office in Pasadena. We go there every day. We work five days a week, we work, basically nine to five and we talk it through. And then we win when something sounds when it feels like we're onto something we'll, we'll commit it to paper. It can still change. But we tend to work we worked verbally. We like throwing ideas back and forth. So you're in the same room. Are you both in the document at the same time or as one talk in one type, and Brian usually types, but we're both I have it on my. Good typist. Yeah. He's really good. But I don't know. I can't type kidding. But we usually we both will have it open on our screen so we can either one can jump in and change stuff. But so much of it is what we're saying back and forth to each other. So here's the thing, just we're not gonna stay long. It is. But in Google docs, when, when you're both revising you just get these notifications of revision after revision them off. Okay. So you guys do like oh, yeah. You don't turn revising what you're not digging through layers of red ink and all that jazz now. No. Okay. No. It's nice that you can go back and look at previous. Yeah versions, but no, we don't we don't do that. And the other thing I hear you ask writers about, which I always find interesting is people writers, who write in final drafts. You say how do you keep the master draft when it's next question? I'm sorry. I've listen to this podcast time ramble. I read. Yes. Francis Coppola reference. So we, we use a again, not sponsor, but we use this program called Ryder duet, which has, like docs, it's a cloud based screenwriting program where we are both working on the document at the same time. So there's one master document. There's no emailing back and forth. Accepts each of this changes there. If they're just something that you don't have to accept it automatically in the document. And I can see in this particular software. It's something that you didn't. Like like you check in the next, by the way, we're usually writing together. So you never know when your report not like final final okay down. We will frequently go off to brainstorm separately. Revisions don't matter keeping track of the draft does. Okay. But even if we did keep to keep track of the draft again, it's you can see in this particular program. You can see the change that were made their different color. And you don't have to accept them as soon as you read them chain, it sort of dissolves into black anyway, right? Into it. Yeah. We like to all right. All right, Dave. Yes. Outlining and, and your process. Well, sure. I mine is a is a cycle of self hate and abuse. It's like I do a lot of cards. I have like a board layout cards. And, and then I get everything into a place that I feel really good about. And then I start writing. And then I'm convinced that like I'm writing something that's really great and special. And then I get to the end, and I read it, and then I'm convinced it's a total piece of shit. And then I, I cut out like ninety percent of it and they start over again. I scripted eleven drafts on that. I'll probably never show. Anyone really? Yeah. I'll like doesn't hit literally. Really? I'd rather know find that like rather work with great writers like this, because, like the journey, it takes me to write a script is, it's so painful, and I tell people like every script, I write cost me about three or four pounds because I just like I just gaining or losing gaining. I just I sit in one spot for weeks at a time and gain weight. And, and then I don't feel good afterwards. I just feel like a failure that's for the record. We did not mean to imply that self. Hatred is not part of our process. Well, very integral that, drew. Oh, yeah. Lots of self hatred ores since you're partners. You could also hit each other. Let's be on could we tend not to we've known each other since we were little kids, as you age in. What's the wait a minute, so writer's block? Brian, what do you do? If you get writer's block, and then go down usually when we hit a wall, and we're stuck for hours or even days on and we will usually that. That's when we will separate and. Take a day or two off and just allow ourselves to just brainstorm anything and everything. And I think the sometime not not being around each other. We're not trying to one we're not worried too much about what the other person thinks, but also were we don't we're not falling into the same group. So it allows ideas to just be as fertile as possible. But if we're still stuck after a couple of days of that. Usually like we think if I for days on end usually, we realize we made some mistake, earlier in the process, and we need to go back and really dig up something by the roots because you, you really shouldn't be stuck on a particular moment, or scene, or plot turn, or whatever for a week, and if you did your you're probably on some shaky shaky foundation for us anyway. Mark same or any one of my favorite things in that process is we'll go away for a day, and brainstorm, and come back. We'll say L let's get together tomorrow morning office. We'll come in and we'll say, all right. Here's what I got. And we'll pizza each other ideas, and it's exciting because sometimes Brian will come up with some awesome solve or some great scene. I almost never do, but he does a lot. And but there are days where we sit we sit we get back together after brainstorming. And we both look at each other and go, I don't have anything. I don't have it. I don't have it. And those who thought that ideas. Those are. Yeah, we, there's always ideas, they're not always the right idea. And there's oftentimes a ideas and. Those those are hard days. Those are hard lessons, just skip to the next scene and come back to it. Right. Sometimes thought oftentimes, it's a it's a plot point. And we can't get past that plot point out the rest of the plot. This is always outlined. Okay. Always outline face. Oh, no blockage. During the actual writing of the script. Oh, that happens to that usually tends to him for us. Tell me if you disagree, Brian when we have to start a scene, and we don't really it can be anything, the beginning of the scene can be anything that's impossible. That's like it can be anything. It's nothing. So it's much easier when, you know exactly how what the scene has to be exactly how it has to begin because there's only one real beginning to the scene. Then you have a pretty good idea for seeing when the opening of the scene could be anything you dream up. Then, that's when we get stuck do I feel like I'm learning so much? Read his book. I think you guys all agree with what I'm about to say. I'm not really like I don't really get writer's block per se. Like I don't really experience it like that. But I do get a ton of shitty ideas that I'll throw out that will be like two drastic or too crazy or they'll break things too much. Do you know what I mean? So it's different like it's a different thing for me where all, like I don't get stuck. I just get ideas that are too, damaging to everything else. And so, then I have to kind of control myself, you know, I think it caters to what Mark was just saying, though in which in which you by getting them out there. Right. A lot of writers called the vomit draft, because you get over the executive of the scene could be anything. It's gotta be something even if it's a bad something like Klay go back and sculpt it. So, okay. That's good. One of these days, I'm not gonna write a vomit draft. You have to read a moment. Well, yes, but the thing is to it. But for us anyway, we can't see it as a vomit draft. Otherwise, it feels like a waste of time. Right. Right. We have to convince ourselves that this isn't the vomit draft. This is actually going to be good. And then we can look back and realize it was the draft. But if we go in thinking, vomit draft, we feel like we're wasting our time. And it's pointless. All right. So how long do your first draft after a month and a half of L lining? I drafted bright burn a month. Maybe six weeks pages. How long did it take? How many pages was a month six weeks? I draft was about. I don't know hundred pages. I think and the movie was ninety minutes. So damn close there, it was a, it was a pretty simple story as as, as you guys saw. And this is one of the few drafts, we wrote, we we're always terrified that we're going to run way way, way over. And we're trying to economical as possible, this was one that were sort of, like, you know, I hope this does not end up being, you know, twelve pages long. Twelve pages worth of ideas. What Brian's saying it was in it was an one point font, though. So, you know, we're in this renaissance of superhero movies and it's been going on for a while. And it's and it's really been poppin, right? And so you're doing something subversive for the John Rhea. At what point did you start shopping it around? Did you get it to James and executive producer Simon hat, Simon hats cast Elliot's? So what happened was we were finishing tied always listening. He's listen. I know he's in Atlanta working on suicide squad too. So he's not here right now but. Brian, I were finishing the script and we were at James's house for barbecue. And I was talking to Dave and Dave asked what we working on, and I told him about this idea, and he said, can I read it? He read it. You wanna take it from there. Sure, I read it and while. No, I read thirty pages of it. And then I wrote you guys, very angry, Email, do you remember that? Yeah. I wrote. Said guys, I can't finish the script. I'm angry that I can't make this movie it like every page. I'm turning. I'm just getting upset that I can't make this movie. And, and so you know, if you know I'd love to have a shot at it. You know, let me know. And, and so, you gave the script to James, right? I decided to Simon. Yeah. Simon and I James and James worked very closely together they work very close together. So Simon sort of tasks, too, because James, and I were trying to find a movie to make the Simon was kind of put in charge of like exploring what we could get together. And, and so, yeah, I told Simon about it, and he went to you guys, right Simon and Simon and James j okay. That's when James salmon James came to us and said, James said, I think I can get us money to make this movie which is a thrilling thing to hear. We should say that our early draft that draft at Dave read was we were we wanted to make it, we to right. And have it be has makeable as possible? And so it was. A one million dollar budget movie probably at the time and it was much closer to sort of a. Indie drama slash thriller than than what it turned out to be. I mean, it was still technically a horror movie and you would never ever. You know, mistake it for anything other than like deconstruction of, of a superhero movies, but it wasn't as overt. And when we first sat down with, with Dave and Simon had the aforementioned Simon had they really played up leaning into the superhero, tropes, for instance in our earliest draft. He wore, no Cape, much less mask. He also he didn't have laser vision. He didn't he levitated briefly again. We're trying to make it as bare, affordable when Dave brought up, adding all those things where like, we can afford that we can actually do those things like let's put it in and see. Go for it right? And James, also really spearheaded a lot of that. And, and what, what James, and Dave in particular, really. They were trying to find ways in which superhero tropes, overlapped with horror, tropes. And if you think about it like laser eyes are like they're, they're kind of demonic, and levitation is kind of ghostly and, and being sort of almost as Brandon is sometimes sort of a body, listen and impossible to harm. Those are all very like ghostly, horror tropes, and that's what we got really stoked. When we sort of found those overlaps testament, James assignment producer, the exact produced it and your original one million budget idea became, I still can't believe it a six million dollar movies, and like you guys got so much on the screen for six million dollars grand. And just just so the, the listeners know this weekend, it's opening weekend, it made nine point six domestic seven point eight four in for cumulative of seventeen point four million worldwide in just. Opening weekend. So congrats, thank you. Subverting John, and, and doing so in a budget that was within the realm of being able to do such a thing because like a hard, our movie that is subverting the genres not easy to do. How hard was it for you guys to, to raise the financing and did you get notes from people that were telling you to walk it back? Let me jump in on this one, because here's this raising the money was very simple. And none of us had anything much to do with it. James James had a relationship with, with with money guy and. This guy Kenny, who was a producer on the movie, and he came in and, and has this company, h collective, and they put up the money for the movie, and it all kind of happened insanely quickly, like really fast. And we were we were off to the racist really fast when it comes to our what happened was, you know, we had this way, the small small budget, but these like big dreams. And so, you know, so, so early on there was a conversation can this be a PG thirteen movie? Can this be do you know what about an our movie? How are we gonna shoot it? How are we gonna do this? And we built a I built this like the conjuring shield. So this, like, huge things conquering countries and are rated or movie, that's making buck buckets of money. And so, and so, you know, when we started talking about our I was like, well, if you know, if we wanna make money like it or the conjuring, we wish probably be are also and, and then we started talking about shooting and, you know, there was some resistance to shooting at a more fake. Because it's, it's trickier, and it's more complicated and it can be slower and it can be problematic. There's a slower because it requires more light. Yeah, the lenses requires more light, and it can also be higher chance of like problems with it could be softer, but also animal will be, you know, all use the full frame, so I don't have any give and visual effects. I mean, there's just it's, it's an easier thing to shoot spherical. But conjuring did it. And so I just a so conjuring Santa Morphing and two four zero the way, I was able to get this to four zero conjuring did I see aspect ratio? Yeah. So I just kept saying, conjuring did it and getting away with all these things. And, and that was really, really helpful thing. You know. So really when you look at such, like a crazies violent insane movie exist. It really stands on the shoulders of movies, like the conjuring that came out and did all those things are rated Anamour Fiqh to four zero and, and and, and made a ton of money. That's awesome. Jackson done. He was he plays. He plays Brandon in this movie. He did a great job. There's, there's a thing in which he is young ant man in avengers in game for a moment in a suit when they're experimenting with time in that movie is there a tie in to the moral universe? That's all I'm asking the superheroes. I totally joking. When did you guys when did you guys find him because he was he was great. And also had he shot in game at that point, when you guys were shooting or no? Sure. Well, we got something like two hundred plus emissions for effort young actors who were going to come in. And we were all very nervous because we knew that part of the success of this movie would weigh on perfor-, you know, his performance because it's so central in anytime you have a scary kid movie that everyone's commenting on the kids, performance, if you did, good or bad. And so we just knew how central it was to this movie. And, and, and he was the first Jack. Was the first tape we watched. Yeah. It was freaky. It was the first one that I saw as well and. Similarly we freaked out. I was like, oh my God. I mean if this is the worst we're going to do this is insane. I mean like we saw so many kids, and there were an unusual number of super talented young kids out there, but nobody beat Jackson. He was able to play a sort of subtexts in a way that not many other young actors could end layers. And we knew we wanted that character to go from being a pretty happy. Go lucky gregarious kid at the beginning to at the end being cold and cut off. And I remember in some of the audition scenes when he was running with Dave, Dave got him to sort of modulate his warmth, which is hard to do for any actor much less a twelve year old and he was, it was very clear early on that he had. He had more control over his like over himself than than the average actor that age or even a very good actor that age. I was so weird to the spoiler section. So podcast listeners if you have not yet. Scene. Bright, burn press. Pause go see it comeback. Listen to the spoilers. You've been forewarned. Here's, here's what I found really interesting about the movie. Is that in a lot of movies like these, it's, it's the kid, you know, just like superman, for instance is the protagonist and he's going through this change in his body. Right. He's becoming this dangerous being sent to earth. And you think of him as the protagonists, but what's interesting is as he's going through a physical change. But as a character, the mental change of Tory. The mother technically losing her son denying that he's a danger at the almost mid point. She just won't hear it and then having to get up the gumption to try to kill him. That was like a big arc. And it almost seems to me that it's more almost Tories movie than than Brandon's moving. I'm just curious about your thoughts on that because I've seen some, some kind of people argue online about Kerry. Right. You know, a character that you see bullied, the whole time you see. Her then finally react, and kill at the end and you sympathize with her, even though you know what? She's doing is wrong here. There's, there's no real, you're not going to get on brand inside because it you make it abundantly clear. I hope not yet that, that he was sent here to this planet to destroy us, you know, to take the world so we can see very much as from the parent's point of view, particularly Tori and light care. I mean carries one of my very, very favorite horror movies of all time, and it really dramatizes the horrors of puberty in some ways, but it's told from. Kerry's point of view. And we move it. Yeah. We wanted to show the horrors of, of raising a child and having a child go through adolescence from the parent's point of view. Mark has children who around the age of Brandon, my kids are worse than Brandon. Yes. Yes and worse. Say at my kids school for the for the space alien kids, that they're having problems with if you break. Somebody's hand you get more than two weeks. More than two weeks. Terrible school. But we really just wait. We won. It's this was a movie about the horrors of being a parent in some ways and. And anyway, that just that just really peel to us. In fact, our earlier drafts, we there were no scenes from Brennan's point of view at all we wanted to make him as other as possible, and we really want we wanted to make it like what it's like to be a parent wondering, like what's going on in your child's head because you, you just don't know. Sometimes we changed that for various reasons, but, but it's still hard. Sometimes when we go to screenings and some of our earliest screenings, people were very confused about how you're supposed to feel about Brandon. Exactly. I mean, there were scenes when we watched it last week, one of the screenings and Brandon just brutally kills his uncle, and I would say, at least it doesn't people burst out into applause. And I'm like, what is wrong with this is like that this horrible, you know? And but I think it's, you know, there's all this, this messaging that goes on that says, if you wear a Cape, you must be a good guy. And we wanted to turn that on its head, but I think it a lot of people have trouble sort of make management. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I totally have experienced that same thing. You're talking about like, like we're all like now innately trained that like this is a superhero movie someone's wearing a Cape. You know, I must be on their side. And yet, when we first started working on this, you know, we, we would brainstorm scenes were Tori, would walk by the door and here, like you know, him learning how to fly or something in the room or you know, we're noises from behind doors, but we would always be in their perspective, and the more we showed the movie, the more, we watched the movie it was, like you need to see a live. We need to see a little more brand, and we need to hit the moments of him growing the change happening, but we, but we really like I think you said it best conceived it to be of their store of the parents. Well, it's funny because, like you look back at omen, for instance, like, you know, the, the Satan ain't going away, you know, like he's still bad at the end of the movie. It's not coming out of them. Exorcists. Sure, she's a little girl turns to being a little girl a little girl. But, but yeah, I mean like you were really clear. And I've seen people that were surprised that there wasn't a good guy that was also sent to earth to stop him. But, you know, you're on movie. No, I know. And it's stupid because what's, what's interesting is you don't know how many other worlds this has happened to where somebody's been sent by whoever this race of aliens aren't says take the world, you know, that phrase, take the world. It's almost reminiscent of Scarface, we thought of that. Did you did you? Because both versions. Yeah, the world is okay. Good. Yes, glad to know I'm not going, but we saw Brandon very much earlier on. They say he talks about wass at any mentioned, a particular type of loss, which is a brood parasite. Brood parasite is. Any creature any species that gets other species could sometimes be their own species, but other species to raise their offspring as their own, and we feel like that somewhere off there. There was a it was probably the biggest piece of exposition in the movie, and it was just him answering a question in class. And I thought it set up the tone of everything that follows cool because once you get that you understand this concept of the adoption of parents are kind of dummies in this, this movie, they're not soccer queued Mon PA Kent. Yeah. Speaking of them, Kins. Who? Yeah. Ma and PA Kent, you know there's something in the DC universe called earth. Three. I know I'm not the only person to bring this up and it's kind of an evil world where, you know, the, the people that we know is heroes in the DC universe are actually villains, etc. And I'm curious if this was ever something that you guys were floating by DC Warner Brothers to be like a kind of beginning of an earth. Three mythology. No, no one ever. No one ever knew about this until we try to keep it as secret as possible until the movie was till the first trailer came out. So we never ran a ladder. It got out there that there are other sort of comic book series, that sort of had, you know. You know, evil superman type stuff that was not in our heads. When we were making it to be honest, I was aware of those. We were so secretive, like, like when we got together, we started working on this, where like this would be so cool, but we didn't want was to read in a blurb somewhere. You know, Jim James Gunn and some guy, you don't know and his family are making a movie about a superhero evil something, you know, like that's a really lame blurb. And you know I read that article last week. Yeah. But, but, like, like we didn't want announce that year before anyone saw anything so that we could post it on our Facebook. And Pat ourselves on the back like, like we like the plan was to be completely totally go dark and much in the way that, like Cloverfield data and just surprise everyone with his trailer with this big, bold idea, and let that kind of introduce what we were doing. And we were so secretive that actually and I don't ever recommend doing this. But four days after we wrapped filming I got married in Palm Springs. Wow. That's a whole other podcast. And thank you. Thanks it. Really? The, the applause goes to my wife, who planned it. While the mask while making the costumes. But she do her wedding dress and the same design. Big, big Blair, both wearing the masks on exchange. Vows dark at the wedding. Hi, totally lost. My train of thought I have no idea what we were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. So at that wedding, there's one hundred and fifty guests at the wedding. And I think one hundred forty people had no idea what we just went and shot. You know, there were a few people who were there from the movie, but besides that everyone was like you shot a movie. What is it? Did he last question on this subject to any lawyers reach out to after that trailer dropped from us? Okay. Okay, good. I mean it's funny because, you know, Sony actually ended up in a great relationship with Disney marvel for what they did was Spiderman. So, maybe if this keeps having legs, they could reach out to DC and say, hey oh, I here you have an evil universe because I mean in the end credits. They're talking about an an aquatic beast of some sort of a woman with rope is doing things to people. What's your point Chaffetz? I'm moving on. I'm moving on what you're talking about. Man. I love them. I love them finding I love. I love you up in finding disturbing stuff under a teenagers bed. Right. And it's not even weapons or anything. It's just like these disgusting drawings, and they're kind of sitting there like woods are preteen going through when, when did that idea kind of hit that was there very early on. That was that was there in the first draft is that is that they found. Again, we wanted to hit the ideas, Brian was saying that it was that in some ways is a story about puberty from the from the parents point of view or the possible, horrors of humanity of your job on the parent's point of view and, and finding, you know, your kid with. Explicit stuff is not an unusual occurrence in my experience, and not with my kids, but with me, and but they're finding dark. But that kind of stuff we wanted to make it clear that, that, you know, they have known obviously because they know where their kid came right? They knew that this day may come when their kids started to be different than other kids in a way that they didn't fully understand. And so we wanted that to be one of the first things that happened where they're like, especially the dad is like this is not. This is not normal. This is not what we this is not the way normal child would would would look at. But it's just a glimpse. It's just they don't freak out about or anything. It's just a glimpse that things are starting to turn a little bit for this kid. We'll go back to your comedic roots because the biggest left of the two times that I've seen it is when the dad has the birds the bees speech with them when they're hunting, and he at that point, the audience is always fun. When the audience is the head of the characters, he at that point doesn't know what we know. Like the severity of it. And when he's telling the kid like will not right now, you don't have to do it this minute, you know, like we leading into the next scene where he goes to kind of stock the gal, like it's just crazy because it's almost like this talk with his dad is like oh, that's how you do it on this planet. Okay. Sure. I'm just gonna go flowed over to her house that was that was that was a very funny laugh. I'm curious about Caitlyn's house because the interaction that he has with her is creepy. It's kind of going back to what you're saying what you're not seeing him as much. So you're doing it kind of off camera, which is good for your budget as well. I tell us tell us about those scenes, kind of hers, a character, not knowing what to do, because at this point, you know, he's, he's hurt her, and it's not entirely clear to everybody, whether it was an accident or not. Because it seems like there's still a version, where he might have just grabbed her too hard even though that's almost impossible. You talk about the second time he goes to visit her every time he goes. Yeah. I mean, I think she's right. Because the first time the first time like first time he's not catching him when he falls, so, and he's, he's a creepy guy who seems to have some ability to get into her second floor bedroom, and high behind the curtain, but he's gone before her mom can even get in there. But the second then he breaks her hand and the second time he comes in. He clearly has his personality seems to have have turned a little bit. And I think she even sees that. And she's at that point, just absolutely mortified of him. There's nothing she could really do about it. I mean because she's kind of unable to really defend herself. And just hope that he's not. Going to hurt her, because she says kind of strange love interest, and other actress, by the way, who in the audition, she that was her. That was the scene edition. I think the second time he visited and she just was, was so moving in it interfere was so palpable. Just because we're in this section tells about some left terms, maybe some ideas that you had that you couldn't afford in, in. You're in your early drafts things you never even shot or other ideas that you had early on that just never really materialized, because it's just kind of interesting seeing that journey of possibilities. I mean, there's a lot actually. There's a lot there's a lot because we, we kind of had many times where we would just kind of brainstorm, we'd get on the phone, or we get a room together sometimes with James and stuff. And we would throw out all sorts of the movie used to open with the with discovering, the crashed spaceship on their property, and that was a big scary scene. And it was I think, at the end of the day, we all felt that it was it just kind of gave away too much. It didn't it didn't dangle any mystery out there. So we cut that there was a whole storyline about Kyle. The father David desma character David, who's also great as. About him. He had an Oxycontin addiction. There's even so was that why he wasn't always active at night when as life was around lot. That's exact- that, that actually the we shot shot. We he was like sort of crashed out on the couch. I was gonna. Said I was gonna. Have a leg. I forgot traffic, there was a draft where he was missing a leg in my boards and my lords when he's running away. He he was a veteran. He's a veteran war veteran. But, but I think we, we had this whole store back story about how. Kyle as soon as a Brandon came into his life. The crop started to fail on his farm, and the farm learn to lose money. And he was he was dealing with it through this addiction. And the reason we put that in there is because we wanted him to see things that. That seemed ridiculous. But then when he would convey it to his wife, it sounded like it was the Oxy talking. And so she would say to him in the scene that's there. Now where he discovers the dead chickens, and she comes out, and he says, our son did this. She's like you're out of your mind that used to be you're doing it again. You're using again, I can tell you using again what, what made you guys decide to cut that. She didn't work. I mean, Dave, you could you tell us but was it just too much information that was clouding things or it just it just took us away from the thing that we came to see you know what I mean it opened up a, a big plot. Narrative that just sort of pulled us out of the central focus of the story, which is a big heavy be plot. That they're kind of slow things down. And you know, you know, you make a movie like this. And when things start feeling scary intense you start to go Wednesday when some scary and happen, you know so, so that was really it. I mean it was we got some cool stuff. But it just it just, you know. In the to tighten the movie, and keep it clean. Keep the genre. Clean fascinating save that you did, though is you said that you used to start with the opening scene of them discovering it, and then you turn that into a dream sequence of, of, you know, he's, he's having this executive about a son, and then it was just this great natural kind of, but magical realism in which there's the forest has grown into his room and he's going out there. And then, you know this baby is like bleeding, his wife basically, and she's changing as well. That, that was interesting. So that was always grow out of that frustration of not having that original seen open a movie. Yes. Something that you had to do later. No, honestly the opening. They wrote, I thought was incredible. I loved it. It was the first thing I boarded because it got me so jazzed, and then as we started moving forward, you know, one of the hardest things in this job is you have to kill the things you love the most at times. And you know, we were going through it. And you know we we got feedback, but not only that it was. It was just like, as we were looking at the movie the there was something about giving away everything. So early on, you know, because at the core the movie, right? The first half of the movie is possession film. You know, there's a there's a there's a cursed object, and it's turning on. And it's communicating with this child. And he's, he's, he's changing and his parents are noticing something's different. You know, it is the extra. All these it is that kind of thing, and then obviously, we're goes to becomes more of a slasher kind of movie, but, but in all of those movies when you come into the movie, you know, the objects cursed, you know, that, you know that it's bad, but you don't know how it's cursed and part of the journey of watching the movie, even though you know, that's the bad object is kind of coming to learn what that is and being with the characters as they discover what that is or, or rediscover that, that caused that, you know, and so, and so we needed that. At to propel the story forward and to, to keep moving things along, but it was really hard because there was cool shit. You guys wrote and it broke my heart and I couldn't let go of a little piece of it. And that's how it ended up he was like a preemie when he landed his, his lungs, are having trouble adjusting to our atmosphere, and he was rasping, and it was, it was kind of horrific, and they eraserhead baby kind of, yes, they really felt this compelled to help this really helpless child, who was, Tori. And the way we originally had it was Tori fell compelled to help this child, and Cuyler husband's like, are you out of your mind? This is we found this thing in the woods fell from the sky, we have to call the police or something we can't take that home and she's argued about it, right. And we could we could have shot that for three hundred million dollars did. We did not know it was really. I mean doing a premium having it look real is based I was very expensive. And don't forget, there was also a gag where they were driving in a stampede of animals can rush away from the crash from the forest and hit the side of the car. Those are cool. Those are cool ideas, but, but I mean you're right. Yeah. You couldn't afford it. So, so you have to you have to kind of sacrifice those things we could afford with some really good scares, and gore. Tell us about the waitress sequence. I mean like just the simplicity of like one affect. She looks up at the fluorescent lights you've seen the lights blink. It's a common orch rope. But, you know, here the light explodes, and she has a piece of glass in her I in the audience was writing and their seeds and like it was it was hard to watch. But it looked great. I have to give David ton of credit for that. They'll on our first draft. She looked up at the light, the fluorescent light exploded and she got, like powder glass in her eyes. She rubbed it. So her eyes were bleeding, and she couldn't see. And that was all in our draft teams like powdery glass. It's gotta be a shard and this shard has to be about an inch and a half long. And we have to see her actually go in anyone who squeamish about putting on contact lenses. You know, we'll, we'll have trouble watching this movie. But, but we're like, oh, yeah, of course, of course you have to do. And I have loved that moment ever since he pitched it. I still love it every time. I see it. It makes me laugh. Dave, what were the challenges effects on a budget? I mean obviously, it was probably was it practical with an eye over a half. Green screened face was one of those tricks something else. Yeah. It was we know we built an entire dummy. Head of her with an eyeball that man, man. If, if you heard the conversations about how specific I was about the blood that comes out of the I, because I wanted separation between the clear liquid that would be in your eye. And also, the, the red blood because like those, how'd you research that YouTube videos, you know, at my ways and dark web, but the thing is, is, as you're shooting that stuff out like they mix. And so it just becomes like orange, and so, so we had to find the right chemicals that wouldn't mic so that they would be, you know. But so so we have this dummy head, and we shot the yeah. Well you didn't really see the head. You saw you sound like the I and an eyelash basically. But when you but essentially, we've comped 'cause we shoot her head, we say. Moving and her wincing because I was a composite had her other I moving. And that's what sells it as being something really realistic. And also we shot on this side. Allan this like, right. When you think about it in your mind, we're actually, the, there's a close up of the sharpener I, but if you look at the shot again, it's our whole face. And you see your, we're actually on the far side of her face. The idea is that it just subconsciously plants you like way more in the. In reality. It just feels more real because you generally see her face. And then, and then we and then, and then, like you could never digitally make that look correct in terms of pulling the glass out and needed to have tug, you know. You know, sorry I mean it for real. And, and so what did you use the I? They, they made an they made like a it was really I was surprised it was like a foam latex. I to me, I couldn't imagine looking good. I didn't believe them and they kept sending me pictures. Those go looks good. But I'm imagining a foam, latex into sounds dumb, but but it looked pretty good. And then where wherever didn't they, they give it a little digital, you know love, but, but that is way more practical effect in digital affect I would have just gone to storage and taking one of the is out of one of the heads in jars that I have there that works foam latex, works folks jumping in really quick to tell you all about backstory magazine which you could read on a desktop laptop ipad or even on an Android tablet via Google play. 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That's why she's still in denial. He is definitely not. And it was a good sequence of. Of the cross cutting of going on the hunting trip where the dad's gonna try and shoot him and protect the world and the mom is at the same time literally still lying to the cops. When she when she knows in her mind, at the symbol that the cops are showing her what her son had done. That was another change from the initial draft. And the initial draft by this point, Tori had come to realize that her son was pretty irredeemable. What made you change it? That was really James. I think driving that he sows James, Jamie said, look, they're done, then as characters at that point. And it's so much more emotional for Tori to be grappling with this person slash alien, whom she. Loves but doesn't love anymore at the end. And if she had already made the decision that she wanted him. Killed then she really had nowhere to go as a character in it. And it just made the climax just all about survival. There is really no emotional undertow. So that was that was James. I think he was totally right. And additionally original draft she. She did kill him. She really. And I didn't remember that. I read that you said that in something. From the ship. Well we originally had it. We had it when, when Brandon was a baby. He was they took him to the hospital, and he had a bad reaction to morphine and the mother, remembered them, Oxy family, mother to a mom remember that. And at the end she takes finds her husband's Oxy crushes it up puts it in a syringe with some water cokes is Brandon to her the way she sort of does now speaks lovingly to them, and then takes a syringe in jams. It down his throat and injects the Oxy down his throat and he liked gurgles up and he he it kills them it works. But I think it was James who said, no, no, no come on. He's got a he's got to her he wins. I came back. And I pitched again, I pitched that he flies her up into the air, and then slams her down in an earth, fucking splatters. And then and there was. All with you mother's day. Release. And then that's and then James is like, no, he just let her go. Again, all those layers were there any other ending possibilities that you, you had debated. Yeah, we actually had Caitlyn, the his, his female classmates. She there was one draft. I mean, this is one one of many different drafts a hundred and we had one where there's like a sort of a teaser at the end where she sees Brennan, sitting in a diner, sort of on the run, and she's sitting in a car with her father who's been who's divorced from her mother. And, and she says, you know that's the guy and the father puts like a mask on almost like a superhero mask of his own. It gets out of the car, and he's got this, this chart of kryptonite and he's gonna go walk in take on Brandon. But we want to we wanted to bring Caitlyn back somehow and that's one of one of our regrets. I think is that Caitlyn kind of disappears, from the movie, the end, I shouldn't point out our flaws book, the but that is that is. I mean, she she's the one that gets away, you know, was killed. She's not really going to want to be out and about so much the reveal, the mom was interesting payoff, because you have those dissection images earlier and it's like he studying humans not really something you need to do in a barn. But if you're compelled to when where where did that, where did that idea come eight started was such a good setup payoff? It started with him with them. Finding that strange strange images under his mattress. It just it seemed to make sense that if he's if you're establishing that he's trying to understand human anatomy, in a way that's far different than the average twelve year old boys trying to figure out human anatomy, and he's got these powers, and he is basically a sociopath or psychopath. He might take it to an very extreme place. His studies tuna very extreme place. And so that's how she ended up on the wall. That's probably the last big change from our first draft is Brandon's motivation as that he wanted to breed and. That's why I came to earth. We used to have more of a, a plotline about that. And frankly, just got it was it was just, just sort of not like we shied away from other itchiness. But, but, but it just it's sort of overwhelming plenty of time to grow up and do all that. But so production, you had a six million dollar budget. How many days did a gay twenty nine days, nine days, twenty nine days and, and, and. I mean, my first movie was seventeen so that feels like a lot more. But, but there are a couple of days where we shot a single shot or like we pick certain moments where we're like this is a trailer shot that we really spend a lotta time planning. We spent a lot of money on it, and a lot of time on it. And so it would be like a day, like the shot where he flies through the room twice when Tories under the kitchen, those day, you know, we're, we're literally shooting cannonballs through walls, and destroying things shooting. Each layer of that shot, what we shooting through the walls to mess up your son. It was little, it was like a cannonball, but it was on a wire so we weren't like fire it was like a wrecking ball small wrecking ball that we would always painted blue green looks you could competent. I'll no it was concrete. It was not concrete. It was it was like steel like okay, and you would think so I asked them if they wish to paint it red individuals sex, people's did not know about it. So we didn't. And but, but yeah so, so. We would shoot each piece individually, so we'd shoot the first blast. And we should the second blast. Then the lights that swing. And then there's individual debris, then we should Torey by yourself than we should each one of those elements. If you composite as a layer all to be composite as one. And then we have to sit there and watch as the as a guy on set puts it all together, and we look at it, and we go. No, that's not right. Because her head because he goes like this. And she doesn't look like that tape. Take to combat live. Ten minutes. We, we talk about what we what we're gonna do next time. And then I mean, listen it wasn't a very pretty calm. But I mean were they doing like after-effects was identified thirty or something more advanced the program? I don't even think it was after effects. I'm not sure what they would use, but it may maybe it was a simple as like in premier just like using. Using these split screens, but we just had to be able to see that her head was following the search styling important. Yeah. I mean it looked ugly as hell but it but it worked. And so there was that, you know, the, the moment where the two of them fly up. You know, it's ten seconds of the movie, but it was a day, a whole day shut. It slow motion was always slow motion, because it to me was like the heart of the movie, the, you know, the one of the things that really drew me to the movie and made me angry at them. When I first read the script and imagine a world in which I didn't get to make it was was they wrote these incredible characters and, and Tori and, and, and, and the relationship between Tory and Brandon, and that Tori, you know, the entire world is telling her this something fucked up with your kid, and she's like, no. He's, he's good. And she believed in that whole time. I, I saw a lot of my own story in that. And I saw a lot of my mom's story in that. And I saw when I was a kid, I was weird. I mean, I've talked about was craven but I was obsessed with FREDDY Krueger szeswith horror, movies and stuff, and I used to cover all my friends, and fake blood and shoot movies. In my backyard and kids would go home. And they're twelve and the parents would be like what the hell like what happened at his house. And so, and so people would be freaked out by me, and my mom had to kind of go defend me at school and, and stuff. And so, so that was sort of the core the movie, the absolute center of the movie, and so to me that moment where were where after everything up there and it's just, it's this kind of like sweet. It's the sad. But kind of sweet moment of, of him letting her go, and her just like having that one last, like, look at her son, who deep down somewhere. She must still love because of the relationship but anyway, so. So this is kind of fucked up. But all that is kind of a thank you to my mom. I love you. But I had to kill you. Yeah. But, but, but that's how fell to me is like that kind of is what drove me in this movie was was making this kind of love letter to my mom and to really I've said this before, so this in interviews, and stuff, but it is true like it is to me. A love letter to parents of people who ever raised a weird kid and whoever stood up for weird kid because the world doesn't stand up for us. And, and so. Yeah. That's what I meant in this case, though. Maybe she shouldn't have stood up for him. Because he's a killer that wants to destroy us. Weird irony. Right. Is that is that and James laughed at maybe because he read an interview where I said that and he was like you just said that this was a love letter to your mom. It's a movie about a kid, killing his mom and his dad. So he thought that was really funny. But when we were floating up to the clouds, it looked great was there, ever a moment where she was singing a song of can you read my mind, can you sorry if you fans in the house, all right? I know we're running out of time, but so a few a few last questions, we'll take a few from the crowd production were there, any happy accidents, all the planning in the world. You couldn't have expected something that turned out, great or were there, any rewrites? So the writers that you needed to do during production. I remember one happy accident because I was there when it happened is when there's a shot inside the principal's office. Through the glass Brandon's point of view, and the and it turns around onto Brandon, and as he walks out of frame, you see the, the, the mother who ends up killing the sort of waitress, you see her face in reflection on the glass, and I remember Dave got so excited when that showed up, he goes, what do you see that do you see that? Go back go back. We're going to get that. We've got to get that, that was a happy accident. That's great. Yeah. That is true. One thing that we. One thing that we weren't totally prepared for is the geography of the house was insane. So like, like. If you try to wrap your mind around what the house looked like it was, it was a you, and it was just one straight line to get through so Tori runs from upstairs. She runs all the way into the kitchen and she's in the kitchen, and technically she is at the end of the house, there's nowhere for her to go except for back where she came, which is so unexciting and unsystematic and kind of backwards. And so we had like a panic moment onset where we had to write a new scene for the next day. So the cops walking up was a scene that we wrote the night before arriving in the way that they do to, to buy time because it's Tori exits right frame. And so we cheated it. She Rex's right a friend. There's nothing. It's like she walked into a wall. But you would never know that because you don't know the geography of the house. But anyway, so as a result looks it looks with. No one would ever know it super inside baseball. But, but yeah, we as a result, to avoid her running back the same way. She came, we had to write a new scene device time editing is the last stage of storytelling. What were the most important lessons from the room? What was something you had to cut obviously, you change the Oxy story where were there any scenes that you still miss that will be on the Blu Ray or stuff like that? No. I mean like the movie is, like it's, it's all there. I mean, there was a longer version of the of the Caitlyn, like the first kind of spooky seen in her bedroom. There's a longer version. But, but, you know, a part of the part of making this movie there was a discovery process, and making this movie because it was not a straight horror film, and it was not a straight super hero film. And so as a result start to make it and the things you can do in a horror movie, you can't really do in this movie and the things you can do in a superhero movie, you can't really do in this movie, like, for example, in that scene. She heard a noise and she looked over, and she looked at the closet, and she's like, oh shit. There's something in the closet, slowly walks over the closet opens the closet door creepy doll like laughs at her all the stuff that you could expect in an traditional hormone that would have totally worked, but made no sense in the context of this movie. And so, and so, like, there was this discovery process of how much superhero, how much horror and how much can you get away with how much horror stuff can you get away? I mean, but it's also Sifi alien invasion. Move it is people are forgetting that at some of the reviews like the trying to parse it into a superhero universe, which is cool, but it is the alien invasion movie, 'cause you don't that's true. That's true. But at the core, this movie at least to me, and I mean, this is sort of an even bigger conversation. I I'm a guy that doesn't think signs of the lambs is a horror movie. Right. Because it's not told from the perspective, someone who's constantly afraid. And, and it was the way that relates to this, this is this is a superhero story told from the perspective of people who are endanger and afraid for their lives. And that makes it a horror movie, you know. And so and. So we're telling the we're telling the story of people who are afraid for their lives. And so how, how much can how much atmosphere can we create in that? How much can we push this, or that can a cat jump out and scare that person? Can this happen? You know, the kind of horror, tropes. How much can we do an or how much makes no sense because we're also in a superhero movie. That's kind of what I'm getting let school democ says, anything that was discovery for you guys in the thing that, that kind of surprised you know, I mean day was much more in the in the trenches and the. And the. Nothing. That was rewritten reshot. We did three days three to read a lot more simply overseeing came about as a reshoot. Yeah. That was that I had an earlier version, where we were very committed to the idea of not showing much stuff from Brandon's point of view. And we realized we had hit certain things and really sort of be with him a little bit other ones. The lawn mower is boundary testing. He sticks his hand into the blade. And of course, he's power power discovery also, right? We were looking for a way to show him discovering his powers, and we had a few versions of it in early drafts that were not very good. So we just got rid of it, and thought this movie is not about him. Anyway. It's about the parents. And then when it became about him, we realized we need that beat anything else in the recruits that you want to tell us about or. None of was much. I mean, it was three days of re-shoots. We didn't have a big budget. So three days. It was like it was a lot of pickups and stuff. How many cameras reach shooting with a shot with two? What kind to most of the time? But every once in a while, there's a big gag or something, we shot, we shot Alexa, t-series Anamour fix. Okay. Shot. The Alexis are like two and a half K. So you know that's what it is now. So anytime you buy four K movie two and a half k it's an uprise. Okay. Toughest scene for each of you. What, what is your tough? We knew you were gonna ask this just your toughest seen. We'll start with Brian and go down the line. And then how did you creatively rise to the challenge? So your toughest screen on the page. This was a reshoot seen the scene, where his aunt Meredith is, is in the she's in her home sort of security alarm goes off and everything we, we had a really hard time zeroing on how that scene was gonna work. There was which she always gonna live. We're talking about this because. Explored the possibility of killing her. Right. But she always she always lived it. So it's just the geography of the house, the alarm didn't work before, frankly, and we had to reshoot a new scene. We didn't have certain actors Elizabeth banks wasn't available. And there was we had to jam a scene in. The before it couldn't change seen after it couldn't change. And so we had to put a scene in bit. We built we built them locks for that we had to kind of now the scene that didn't work. If you want to tell us. Right. A smile and he just wasn't it just wasn't. It just wasn't scary enough. The movie is a horror movie. And so it had to be scary. So we had to shoot something that would be ten cents goes, the grave, Mark your toes. Well, I know when you ask this question, you mean, the most difficult to sort of figure out to right the hardest one for us to, to write sort of emotionally was when, when the father shoots his son in the back of the head, and we Brian, I knew we were building up to that scene. That was always in there. We knew that was how the father story was going to end. And when the day came to write that seeing the very first time it was it was tough. It was it was it was a hard. It was a hard thing to get through. So that was that was the, the sort of the most sort of gut wrenching day in the process of writing it, Dave. Toughest seem direct. Oh when you were sweating. You're nervous ado, where you needed to change while you're doing it on the fly. Yeah. You know, it's so funny, how that works because the scene that was hardest for me was all of them sitting around at the birthday was the hardest thing me when he gets the gun in the doner. Yeah, exactly. It's, it's a lot of characters all sitting around together all talking. The coverage is unbelievable. I mean because you're crossing the line in fifty different ways. So you're like, I mean, we probably I probably got more coverage of that than anything else, which is, you know, and the truth was that a movie like this, where you don't have a lot of time you spend so much time planning all of the bike, big sequences like, like Noah's death scene in the car. I, I was able to board every aspect of that, and you could watch my boards, and they're literally the scene. You know, same thing with the with the with the with the eyeball you know, all that stuff was incredibly planned, but, but then, as a result, some of the smaller less less. Complex scenes end up being like we'll figure that out because we really have to figure out how we're getting going to lift up a car with a crane and stuff, so things take up all your time. And so, and so we're sitting there on the day and we have every actor. And they're all there and we're shooting. And it's like how how many shots do I need to get out of this scene? You know, and as a result of the way, we position them that there was something that we didn't plan for. Exactly. And so it doubled the amount of shots me. So I think I think we did have like fifteen angles or something to get through that shots low, so that so that we would be covered in every I line situation. All right. It's an nightmares. I line nightmare. It's always the ones that seem the easiest to the audience that are the toughest. So, yeah, I, I mean, it's something has James there's so many scenes in guardians, where there's, like, ten characters seven characters in a room, all looking at each other, and doing this in their shots, right, there close ups like this nightmare. I'm from Kansas, you guys Saint Louis. Yeah. Like you name too bright burn for for Kansas, where you ever going to sit it in Missouri was that it was a chance or was he was always title? Always bright burn. No, the title changed billion times the very first title, I think ever was reckoning. Okay. And then it changed to or me when you got when you got to do is called Zan who's called Zander, which was the boy's name. Okay. And then then it changed bunch other things. And eventually, we landed on bright burn. All right. We're gonna take a question to from the crowd, Romans done here. So your hand go up, sir question was regards to Brandon ever feeling remorse. The character is very cold. You know he's asked by the council. Did he ever feel remorse? It seems consistent that if you're going to take over a world, you're not worried about the ant hills that you're destroying. But, but you tell us what we were we did play around a lot with trying to find the just the right sweet spot because we need to have some drama. We couldn't have him just become this like automaton. But and we did have earlier drafts where he he was a little more conflicted. It got us into a really weird situation because the more conflicted, you were for Brandon. He's a twelve year old. And when you feel for brand, and the more you're you end up sort of rooting him on when he's committing these murders. We even had a draft where he, he got revenge on some bullies. The, the kid who makes fun of I was gonna ask, because like that kid got up freeze God for right? And we didn't want to have it be on that draft. We just didn't want to have it be like this vigilante porn where you were like figured you were going to go, like, let the let the right one in, you know, in which he's, he's a vengeance. These bullies that are that are that are coming after him. But the kid was only cracking a few jokes. So we what the audio didn't want the audience rooting for him to hurt, people really, right? We had we scaled back a little bit on the sympathy. You would feel okay for Brandon another question right there. You saw in the hat. It's question if they destroyed the curse to object. Would he still have grown up evil if he wasn't getting the messaging from the ship? We, we did discuss that the him. Like why did he keep the ship around? Why didn't you just like bury it in the hallway? And we've even talked about versions where we did have where they went, and the, the mother dug up the ship in order to find this at a shard, and, but we didn't we didn't get that deepen that we used to be on the answer to your question is no. Then we wouldn't have a movie, so probably it's probably the it is it is. But you put your finger on something, which it is the ship that, that it's intended that's giving his his change. And so, at least we'd have to come up with another way to initiate it if we didn't have that ship in the in the headphones, Tuttle, the name bright, burn, and Brandon Briars, the protagonist BB became the symbol that for the smartest kid in the school was leaving every crime scene that he was at. But nonetheless, I don't think he, I don't think he cared about being caught at that point. I mean. We always intended for the, the BB. So we always knew it was going to be the city name the moving. I mean eventually the movie name and his name always going to the same lighter. Names. But also Parker. What are two last questions? Right, there, you sit in the front row, any prequels or sequels I, I'd read that rain Wilson was maybe going to be in the closing credits from super his role or Caitlyn. It'll lab. There's so many other things that you could do you know, the, the end of the movie with the bad guys kind of winning. It opens up a lot of places. We have a lot of ideas. We'll see what happens. See if there's a audience for it, I have I have a canned response to that, but it's important to tell you that it's a canned response. What I say is that one of the things that I think we did successfully. And in his movie is that, that we, we all shut the fuck up and didn't say, damn thing, and then and then we dropped a trailer and kind of surprised everyone with what we did. And I hope that if we have an opportunity to make another movie that will will honor that tradition and kind of surprise you and catch you off guard with a trailer. So Sony will strike a deal with Netflix. And it'll drop after the Super Bowl. I get it. I get it. Exact all the way in the back, you sir in the black shirt with the glasses was talking about the boards for the car scene. But they're not online anywhere. Are they on the DVD at all? They're not online. I did have some conversations with the with the people making the Blu Ray about potentially having, like a side by side. Comparison thing, I don't know if they're we'll run them and back story time on another question right there. The person is literally standing up in the in the cap, I can't wait for this question. He's asking is there a scene that was cut between win the mom kisses him. And when she dropped I this is very bloodied. And that is interesting. What happens is, if you I know exactly what you're asking. And we went through this many times, and we asked ourselves or people are gonna get this. By the way, I read that question that is the geeky question. I respect he's, he's Brandon is the way he's holding her. She takes she goes face first into the into the air going into the roof. And she her face breaks that hole in the top of. The of the building. And that is why she's so fucked up. Wow. Yeah. Then it dries quickly because she's these flying or up. Yeah. I mean, no, I know. But it's, it's. Report. Jackson has a question. I love you. I love Jackson or sound recorders, essentially, great question this, you love the podcast. What are some things that were I opening to you that you might have heard the podcast, briefly I honestly, this is going to be sound like a cop out. But just here, so many writers and directors and talented people coming on here, who, who are just going through the same things that you're going, you know, when you ask about what your toughest scene, and you hear about the rewrite process, and, and learn to different things. You learn one that everybody goes about differently, and there's no right way to do basically, anything, whatever works for you works. And that's very liberating. But also there's a commonality that everybody's in the trenches together. And everybody's trying to figure it out. And nobody gets it. Right. The first time. And, and I swear to not have Jackson asked that question. Yes. No. I mean, it's just very, it means a lot to me because because when you when you hear people that are winning Oscars having the same trouble that the, the did the first Sundance mood of his of his or her career, did and has the exact same problems. That it's democ for everybody and everybody has this. And then you hear Chris mcquarry say that they make up mission impossible as they go. Story touches the. Well, he's from another agent. He's the alien right in a way, I Matt raves podcast of talking about the tank that's what he called her at the he worked in made me literally Salvi, I want work in a tank someday. I wanna be fortunate enough to have a budget where I'm doing more cap on that level that sounded so awesome. And Eric man. Yes. Yes, we did the arrival. When I saw the arrival, I was like someone made the greatest lovecraft movie of all time. And it's called the it's called a rival and, and, and no one calls it a lovecraft movie. But it feels like a love craft movie and then I heard him on your podcast talking about his love for lovecraft. And I was like, I knew it. I knew it's a lovecraft movie if FOX with time and flex with sanity, those love crafty and monsters from another world anyways, I love that movie. I love, what's next. What can we expect? It's next. He goes have other scripts, the weirdly, we are sort of in the early processes data. No, this early prime. Developing lovecraft thing was Sam Ramey. Really? Are you able to say what story it's a, it's not a story? It's a it's a it's a board game. It's Arkham horror. Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. As a as an interactive actually experience actually did. No. I didn't realize telling me about because ROY Lee is producing. That's great. Yeah. Anything you want to tell us about. No man, nothing. I wanna talk about. I don't know for real, though, like he's going to drop it on you hear. And he said that it will number one I am I don't like talking about things like showing him not telling them, but, but that's number one. But number two, like I really when I say, I just finished his movie I mean I like last week, I did the four K the, it's not forget the HDR home-video pass and the week before I know maybe two weeks before I did the atmos- and the Dobie vision passed. So I mean I while while doing the press for this I, I was finishing this movie. This was a photo finish. So, so I've been taking meetings, this movie is absolutely opened a ton of doors for me. And there's a bunch of things happening, but I don't wanna talk about any of them. Well, you guys have been very generous with your time, wait to see we do next. Give it up again for Brian from what I thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks. And that's how the QNA went down special. Thanks again, to Corrado is Brian, and Mark gun and director David euro Vaske for coming down to chat about their latest film bright burn, and folks, don't forget to make your box office dollars count and support bride burn in theaters. And we might just luck out and be able to see more films like it. Of course, I also hope you'll make sure to visit our sponsor for today's episode the screen craft film fund and maybe after submitting your project. 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