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Working Out from Home with David Higgins
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Has Really really good attitude about exercise and why it's important so if exercising is something want to hear about something you. WanNa do during this time at home this is. This is a good this after you. And if you're a David and have something that you're an expert in Colorado only talking to Davis Bonus David saying we go now. We have a thing. Yeah in his what I like about David. Quite a bit is that he's there's no obviously. There's no shame because we're not going to work with anybody like that but there's also it's not about immediately okay. We've got all this time. Let's launch into changing your life. It's just about what you WANNA do right now. That will help you feel a little bit better and help you. Make some some use of your time and kind of make some slight changes. I think. Small changes are always better than massive ones. And he's very good at that right right. It's about starting in a way. Basically just gifts setting your goals and then slowly trying to work towards them another thing. I like about David. The first time I I went and visited you on set. He was like here. Take a walk with me and I was like. You're going to have some weird talk with me. And then he took me to get chicken wings. Chicken wing does the great thing about the evidence. Was I definitely shooting this movie? You will attest to this too. Obsessed with working out and dieting. Who and he really really pushed me and forced me on the weekends to take a break and to eat. Big meals outward you so while we were shooting in London. I chewed Monday to Friday the Friday night Saturday night you and I would like go to a restaurant and get a big meal and he really really pushed for that because I think the way. He approaches it. Mental Health and physical health. Really go together. He's like you're going to burn yourself out if you're going to be district the whole time and that was very grateful that forced me to do that anyway. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Next week we have David Letterman coming on to talk about facial hair that we do but hey give us a call. Hey Yeah Oh my God Hungary. We'll see you guys soon. Take Care Bye. Hey Hello David to work on what we call say. We're ready to go so we've already set our hello central missed it you listeners out there missed it. Yes David Higgins about how are you? How are you? You're in London? I'm in London. The weather's not too bad on the isolation this two weeks in now two weeks in. And how are you holding up on occasionally slowly losing the will but but the kids definitely helped with the hull just taking a mind of everything is about three young kids but also just the general routine of things in life you just gotTa keep on keeping on keep keep on daily living? That's what it's in the eighty s. You gotTa keep doing those. Adl's we go to the ideals gone totally agree with you. Yeah of course I do. Well we call them active daily living. Or what do you guys call of daily living? Yeah Basically Sega and let's let's just get an. How do you to know each other? We know each other because I was going to say it in the INTRO. But I'll say now so so we'll be finished by the way. Did you hear tunnels just just heard? I know we just heard. We are breaking the news on this joshing breaking news. My my my album marvel movie. Just push you guys. Black Widow Superhero trainer guy for marvel and now cheating on us with the new Batman. Fill the yellow going because our the dumbbells at our gym would only go up to a certain way and then we would be like. Let's go see they're not gonNA use them. I don't know if anyone ever said this. Push my other marvel movie. I don't know if anyone's ever said that generally good so we obviously trained for months and months and months together. It was really really awesome. What was great was how fun the workout. You know this. I would look forward to these workouts project. Apps man project. They called US three zero so we will be back in a minute. Emily Canary Islands. I was like I'm not going to bring a project tabs. If he brings about talk about so we were on this island where we would do nothing but shoot and it was like nothing to do and we basically spent almost every moment or not solution. Relation it will you guys are a precursor and `isolation. Y'All were you really really hot and we were. When I wasn't shooting we would just be in the gym workout. We did this thing called project ads. It was good by the way. What does you skip over? What is project adds? I'm assuming it means the project is getting APPs very good. I think you wild yes plotting how you were going to steal data. We were full of jewel. That well known. It's actually would have been funny if you had gotten it. It's not a place really full of jewels. Yes I did not I did. It's one of those places won't talk about it too much. But just so you know before the quarantine hit here. David I bought a set of adjustable dumbbells and an adjustable bench and I'm back to doing project APPS EVERY DAY. May to you know what me too. I'm not even joking with you. I loved it so much. I'm back on yet. I'm doing my instagram. Live by my i. I've got a book called the Hollywood Body Plan. And that is more of a restorative movement. Practice getting your body back to its neutral position learning how it should move again getting out of pain kind of thing. So it's a quite restorative practices for twenty one days every day. And I'm doing that. I'm an instant alive and anew good what's your what's your handle on. Insta- live David Higgins. London David what I really liked working working out with you was. It was really about alignment and And keep getting mobile and making sure that you were set up so that you wouldn't get injured. That was really the focus for the first few sessions like we did a lot of pilots and stuff but it really was about. I didn't realize sort of how crooked is an unbalanced. My body was until we started working together so that was good and honesty over six months of pretty intense working out in. Yeah Pretty Pretty I was. I was honestly thank because consistency with any of these kinds of things where they're just starting new routine. Assadi and you work out or you died or whatever it is just starting with consistency is everything and and being able to just back up every single day and continue. That's what's GonNa make the long term change right. That's that's what I like. My friends will start working Crawford really hard for four days and quit. It's like you're not going to work out this like party or life now. You're not like doing a diet. You're doing exercise regimen or something. This is like you have to do it in a way. That is sustainable. And it's fun like that's what I liked about the workouts that we did together to education as well right hope to. I taught you a little bit about how you should be working how you should be moving when it should be eating at turned around and ben very much every step of the way telling me every single thing he's learned. I've become a real. No it all come about everything except exercising. I guess what I connected them all so David I wanted to. We wanted to talk to you about a lot of people have been asking us. How do you a lot of people don't have access to the gym now? How can have more time on their hands to work out that they have more time to work out and for me? It's been like really good for my sanity and anxiety to like really work out so Do you have any advice for people who who can't access a gym? Yes well first of all. There's absolutely so much content out there at the moment Old Free that is getting streamed out there. So you've gotta find something that you're GonNa like that sort of does it fee you. First of all said of the load of information out there And you can do a hell of a lot. We did body weight and very few little bits and pieces around around the house as well. So that's but you can be versatile but take a few steps back before that you really have to set yourself up into a place of okay. So I've got. I'm not on the. I'm not commuting to work every day so I'm quite a few more hours every day going to work instead of going to work now and also on top of that you'll office at home has to be relatively economically correct. Otherwise you'RE GONNA probably lose your mind anybody at the same time so setting up you'll office. Space is really really important within your own home and therefore keeping that space almost Just full work is really really important for your mental wellbeing but going in and and if I may say very quickly that is something we've talked about on this podcast because it's that is so important to me that your workspace needs to be separate from your living space also true. I couldn't I was like I kept having lower back problems from sitting and writing all day and I kept. I was like looking into these like incredibly expensive. Chair's office chairs trying to figure out what all it took for me was and I don't know the proper term from before it's a disc that is like let me circle disc that sits on the seat of my chair. It has elements sample right upside down exercise ball away right. It's a half exercise that sits on my office chair fifteen dollars and I don't I haven't been to the chiropractor and months now So I completely agree with you that I think. If you're not sitting properly and don't have the proper like workspace you'll just your body will start collapsing down and be hurt. Yeah Yeah exactly and you just not going to be at your best right so so. I'm always find that when people have from an excise perspective or a diet effective who just generally change something about Yourself long-term for lonesome from long-term change and I'm not saying who in the summertime. I WANNA lose white and book gorgeous in a Bikini on now you will come out but I'm just saying for everybody else that you know you've got to have a bit more of a longer term vision so for example. I went through this like. I'm late thirties now. Three kids as I said before and now my long-term go is literally just so I love walking into the House and the kids run all over me jump all over me and I'm like the climbing frame full the period of time right that that sort of entrance and I loved being able to wrestling further Live with him. But I couldn't do that if I didn't keep myself fit relatively flexible mobile and I know a lot of my friends through a a bit older than me. Have a similar amount of time sort of lifestyle on their bodies are just Jack so for me. That's my life. I WanNa live longer happier healthier life pain-free That's my long term goal in strategy but Answer for somebody else may be getting out of pay or just trying to feel better about themselves as simple as that. If you find you'll find your reason why in a way you'll motivation then it's then you can kind of make some steps into changing your behaviors and actually making some lunch. Time change and moving into that. I always like especially now where community is so important. Tribe is so important in our lives that we lack so much in using these social Social distancing rules but also try to the digital world that we live in these days to sort of compensate for that. I get your friends involved in whatever it is you WANNA do. Hypothetically it might be my workout for twenty one days. Not You know what emily. I'm going to do this for twenty one days to regain my center in and move forward into whatever exercise program. I want to do. 'cause I WANNA get out of pain and I want to feel better about myself and I've got some time to do it and and so you go to get your friends involved because Bacon. Help out when you're having a down day like oh I just comparable that right now but equally. You will help them. When they're having a down day so they're not gonNA sabotage you in they come on and let's let's get this going. Let's let's do this together. Good Great. That's a good social thing too. You can have these classes. Because Emily would go to a dance class every week and now that's not happening so now you can sort of do that on zoom zoom or yeah exactly or whatever team or whatever us then and then and then rises downright. Whatever it is you want to achieve down. I am going to complete X. by win David Down. Tell a few people get them involved as well like I said and then like I said before consistency is everything. Just have your routine set your routine. We've been doing this. Have you guys been doing it in America for now? This isolation roughly. We're on our fourth week. Everybody else's on their third week. We sort of started a week before. Everybody's so we're on our fourth week. That's right yeah time we add longtime writes a long time so we are in this for effectively. The long haul and we are in this together. So let's do something positive together without time and I and I am honestly I think that with with all these kinds of things consistency is. You can control a lot more now or you can go totally off the rails by the way it's easiest to go around the corner in you. You're the closest thing you need to run to literally probably the toilets you know if you really made an effort and I think that you can you can change that because you you literally have time you have a little bit of spice a main space in diary spice not probably spice necessarily outside but using using that extra time for the positive from negative. I think that's what we're trying to establish and push out for the best zero volts old. I think that's great. Is there and I know that I personally you mention instagram live workouts? That you're doing them at David Higgins London There's also I've been doing to dance classes from at Angie Tanny. Who is one of my favorite dance teachers of all time sixties? Gogo dancing classes and has been doing them over live and Michelle. L'amour who was an old dance teachers might have well has been doing like workout slash dance classes on instagram. Live and it's kind of an amazing time because all these people that you normally would need to pay to see are doing things that are free and you do get a sense of community because the last class I did it was like like one hundred and thirty people were doing with me and I couldn't see any of them but I was a kind of a having a pretty bad day and it was kind of helped. Bring me out of the bad day that I was having so I think that sense of community if it's your own friends or if you can't get your own friends involved because they're all being lazy little heifers people online that you don't know communities community so do that's right. I mean it's an I I haven't ob- generally banning the film industry relatively exclusively now for the last eight or nine years on a on a really sort of kept under the radar quite quite significantly and this is the my first sort of step out into social really and it was quite quite going. What's this going to be like? I have no idea. Are they going to be three people who are going to watch me and do this thing with me as it were so you put yourself out there you just press record and see what happens kind of thing And you have thousands of people through like it's crazy. Yeah great for you. I hadn't thought about what it was like for the instructors at like the people leading it is it is so weird like. I'm not talking to myself. Cracking jokes laughing at jokes. That I'm saying you know I was on the phone. Rolla the other day and I'm like Oh my God I just love playing with myself. I'm like Oh God I can't believe what have you become? This is a whole different exerciser saying I will say this. You introduced me to using a foam roller all. The time and that is A. It's a very cheap piece of equipment and if you're working out that really really will help you avoid injuries. It's really painful though. They are painful. The more you use the more you use the difference like raw string There different levels that you can get are not soft one to ease you into it then you can go down to crazy trigger point ones the that you get involved in but there again. I've got a video off on that on my on my youtube channel. If you guys if anybody has any idea of have one and I was home role is and how they can self massage or self care not in a dirty way but in an exercise he kind of way you can you can look at it on on my youtube channel. That will hopefully give you some information on how to use it. What it does what it's for and how it will help you in the long run. Not just to correct your posture. But also to to to work out the kinks. The workout the The trigger points that you have in your body that a causing confident pain. Do you have any suggestions on very basic kind of a cheap inexpensive workout equipment that you would recommend people have on hand. I know everybody likes to do different things. But do you have any kind of general? I like thoughts on that. Yeah well funny enough. I joke but I use a interconnecting tiles. Those soft into connecting tiles that you see sometimes On the floor on my children's on the children and I use that as my flooring because the kids are older now said I necessarily need it and I. I've sort of piece together. My Outdoor Patio Gym that. I fill out. Hoven work now constantly. Feel like I'm sitting at a desk looking at a computer working with everybody still but But you use what you have around you. You'll be surprised how. How LITTLE YOU NATO? How much you actually have Use the tiles if you have some kids sort of tiles. Soft sort of matching. You don't necessarily need like an exercise Mat Ah Towel believe it or not goes a long way to support and also to use in Whatever it exercises again. Look at my instagram stuff at a chair. And I study chair to do. Some steph ops awesome dips Literally you don't need very much. She can do little push shops in planks and bits and pieces. But if you do have stuff what's Fa- me quite invaluable alerts little slide as if he wanted to use them so That you steph on one foot gays one way or the other goes the other way you can slide just on her or if you don't have that and you have a wooden floor Paper Towel paper towel dry hands with stuff or plastic bag. Put that on the one foot in that will slide nicely on a foot on a wooden floor. When you don't WanNa do reverse lunge or something that help I definitely feel like I would I will. I will bust my ass. If I do that. I will fall down on the soft kids flooring. You'll be put a helmet and you'll be good to get through this. I've used puzzle boxes instead of Yoga. Blacks which allegations of such a rip. I mean they're literally just like or you could waste of things. You could do a cushion from the couch is what I'm saying like that was my first thing like oh I guess. I don't need this stuff and I started doing that in London back because I was like. Oh I guess I should buy some yoga blocks because I need that from what I'm doing. I'm like oh I don't I could totally just use a pillow to sit on for this part of it if I need some extra support and I think that it's interesting too because I think people are like. Oh I can't do anything. I don't have this equipment and I think there is a chance that some people don't want to hear don't actually need doughnut much equipment. Come out your member when you launch you when you broke the Internet around. Christmastime we all looked and I was. GonNa say off camera. David was the one who was like. Do some more pushups dumbbell do some curls to exactly. Yeah that was after. If you remember that was. After a long day of shooting I remain by night. Do you remember. Oh yeah was because they were to remember there were two. We can't talk about the second. One Okay Yeah Oh God the second one. Yeah yeah the ones where you're completely naked and just surprised it's a surprise for you. I was loving the men in this voters are like what happened to my clothes. And you're like we know what happened to your. That was A. I remember when you broke up when I when that happened. What were you gonNA say? I was going to say that when you break the Internet and then I did that. Australia and the the raise the money for the Australian Bushfire appeal for those workouts. That we did the super he the super millions shake the most that you don't sold the most it was the super me. It was the bodywork at home body weight gender neutral and it just smashed all of the the the male. The female was paled into significance. It was everyone wanted the at home. No ex- no equipment workout. And how do I do it? It was really quite interesting. Yeah I love that. I'd what was what kind of stuff was in there like push ups and just body just literally old buddy white. No equipment needed unit. Truly Work Your Ossoff Phillip Hoffa. Now forty five minutes and it was the super me. It was the super me workout but that was really interesting. I had no idea. I assumed that obviously going to be the super he that was going to raise the money but because he was eighty nine such a base But don't tell him not emily and I don't want to get it. It'll it'll match his traps at this point because they have gotten well riffing large David. I've been working out really. I've been working out way too much and way too hard. This is the time that we tell. You is an intervention other doing a little bit of lower buddy. Well well you remember David like when we did for Tura that was four weeks right the Difference Between Day. One and twenty eight yeah. It's now it's doing that again. It's Day twenty eight from moving on from the previous day. Twenty eight right and also because my diet is. I'm still eating a lot of protein but I'm also you know. When he was shooting the movie I was emitting fasting and really eating a very very sad amount of food and now I'm eating a little bit more to your God. That makes it a little bit of a different stoop. I if I had if I didn't have any equipment. I'm lucky I do what I would do. Every day. Is Our do pushups and you can make pushups harder by like going. Really slow up putting your feet up on the couch. I would do crunches I would do. Lunges or squats even ain't doing this now. No is the point. That's what I'm like. I walk on my legs. I don't need to do with them. If I walked on my hands I wouldn't beginning shoulder. You hear this. I love it Yes I do say just putting it out that Bought it you know. It's good for men's health magazine. Shoot because that's generally all they shoot Tulsa Opera and also for you look right by the way you look very very proud also for the marvel movie shoot. The legs. Don't really matter who just seeing there should be kicking superhero. I really believe. Can you work on that David for let me do my thing? Let me do my hero. But just imagine a fights guy scrape up and he's like on not me kick kicking off. Dan. I just can't Kevin Kevin Feige. Give me a call. T. Rex arms. A planks are very good. Planks credibly useful life. You finally enough come out. Tempo plays like an entirely different role tempo. Meaning the House slowly. Perform movement all have quickly perform the movement plays a huge amount on places huge amounts of fatigue and also adaptations. So we're talking about outpatient and fatigue and and building a body as it work slowly the more time on detention that you have that you give yourself the more adaptation going to achieve so people love to swing through something just to lift above their heads for no reason whatsoever but if you were to slow that whole process down to really gentle pace you would a probably be lifting half. There was great for the EGO. I know that but your change and adaptation that you'll be achieving will be significantly Gracia. That was definitely something that is really important to tell everybody that you need to be doing a thousand press ups in a minute to get a change if you did ten really slow press ups in a minute you get equal amount of change and probably more and you'll have more control. You WanNa get out of physician. 'cause you'll have more time to correct your fool and that's actually quite important. I think that's a very good point because I had a roommate once that I remember walking and then she was doing Tai-bo so this tells you when it was in like late nineties early two thousands and she was just kind of half assing all the moves and was like she's a Cam. I'm actually really in great shape because like I don't even get out of breath when I do this and I remember being like and I wasn't like the most adept at working out back then but I remember being like you're not really doing kind when you're not doing it and you're just kind of going through the motions and I think this is one of those things that I think with working out. You can just go through the motions and be like well. It worked out. But you know in your heart like that's not you need to be like working up a sweat. You need to get your heart rate up and you need to like rows of the things that kind of help with your health. So you can kind of you know half Astro tai-bo Jessica Jessica but should be. It's not about the numbers you know when you're getting a good workout when you're not if you do as you said ten pushups really really slowly really like contract and feel the muscle than have that mind muscle connection thing. You will know that work. Art is better than just like banging out fifty in a row. I think you have a very good point. You were saying earlier just to start somewhere that you don't need to go from zero to like sixty like Lord insurmountable make it surmountable make it small enough that it feels okay and then add to that. I think sometimes people start to hard and then they don't like 'cause you know what I'm going to start a new easing program going to wet my Ossoff. I'm going to go to bed at nine nine. Pm and get twelve thousand sleep and you like and you don't do one or you might do one of those three hypothetically and then you'll feel really bad that you didn't achieve all three of them then you like well what's the point. I tried and you move on a my absolute my absolute advice here in this in this context is start really slow and start really small. So if it's really important to you to get a good night's sleep hopefully it is really important for you to get a good night's sleep literally. The best thing you can do is drink coffee past two. Pm Ideally twelve but say two PM for everybody out there and turn your phone off. Don't look at a screen for an hour before you go to bed this to get your sleep hygiene going on light lush improve your sleep hygiene especially right now. The News you're getting on. Your phone is not conducive to sleeping and also don't use your bed for anything but sleeping and I guess also but like don't don't be hanging out there. Don't be like eating food in there. Getting like changing. I change your clothes. Get dressed change. Clothes gets right. That's a big thing for me. We also have a new system where the last person to get out of bed has to make the bed immediately a new red immediately which we keep the house very very clean and what we do trying every other big cleaning. I'll tell you since we instituted this rule of whoever gets out of bed. I the other one makes bad. I've been getting out of bed. Like real fast real fast and we've been keeping a schedule. We go to bed at like ten thirty or eleven and then we get up around seven thirty every day and have breakfast together and then by nine were sort of one way one thing I just wanted to say real quick before we're done here is the way we started. Training is away that I never trained before. Which is generally this is I guess. Mostly I don't know what this is for people. Ask Me this all the time and I don't have an avenue to talk about it the way I used to work as you would do sort different body parts every day. That's how we're doing to one day would be chest and shoulders. One day would be back and biceps when they would be. You know that way. The way we started training was doing a full body workout every day. Just different versions. So one day would be heavy day which favorite and then we'll do live today issued a lighter day with more reps and against that's basically the tempo thing you were talking about that keeps the workout. Exciting for me is that I'm doing a full body every day but but the weights. I'm using and how how many reps I'm doing are changing. Yeah what we know now will have may not have told you this. Were you were training with previously? What your your. Your example was was very classic bodybuilder. Rest every other day I body pot as it worth you hit really hard and then you hit it really hard and that's and that's fine that's works that's great. That's fine. What why where I find you get. The quickest adaptation from Is And. This is now scientifically proven. Is that you one day. You pick up heavy stuff next day. You pick up a little lie with higher reps than the next day. Pick up heavy stuff next day. You do lots of reps and you hit literally every single body pot. Whether it's your chest your shoulders you back you know the routine. Don't you come out? What is it again? Yeah you do? It's a bench. Press shoulder press rose a biceps triceps. Ads and an ice cream. New Do it as a circuit so we do all our all six. There are six or seven and then start up again yes. The whole workout took about an hour. Yes exactly remember. We did like we've ended up doing our two halls and two and anyway that was fun but really it was really cool because at the beginning you were like all right. We're going to do forty kilo of benchpress with each and the dumbbell and I was like. Oh my God that feels impossible and the first time hitting five or six impossible by the end. We were hitting like twelve very easily. Yeah yeah and your. It's your central nervous system. You your central nervous. System adapts so much faster to say for example you have a skinny guy who lifts a lot and then you have a big junkie guy who can relatively you know within reason lift within quite quite quite reasonable like it's not about your muscle mass significant specifically within within reason. It is actually to do with your central nervous in how quickly you'll muscles fire to get that white above your head for example so just because you like I am. I was you far more bulky than I was but we will lifting the same thing a little bit more than you. I'M NOT GONNA lie off offense on what we're talking about definitely interest there were well. We each are strict. We had strength. We had not GONNA lie. You know we're we're doing okay but pretty close in In strengthening almost all the areas. Yeah Yeah Yeah but we have relatives like unquiet like a lean guy and you bulked out significantly so You know you wouldn't necessarily realize that we were lifting the sign and also we have that competition thing going that community about tribe thing. Let's just do this together kind of thing. Which really that's right. I think at the very most basic especially now when people are kind of stressing out a bunch like exercise at its most basic as a stress Reliever A. It's just a way to get out of your head and into your body. I think only time throughout the day that I am not thinking in the back of my head about all of this stuff is when I am working out and that's kind of that's been the most to me it's like it's a lot of us are stuck in our heads. I think a lot of people who listen to podcasts or people who got our own heads. It's a way more than anything. It's not about losing weight. It's not about like looking hot for Bikini season because we're not going to be in bikinis this year shortly but it is going to be about finding ways to get out of your own head that are healthy for you that. I think we're all GONNA need to. I think we're all going to have to kind of figure. Start something that we haven't necessarily touched on. This is mindfulness meditation. I know Camo you practice meditation. You Meditate as you make up done warnings. Yeah I was getting every day I would only for. This is super amyloid. I use an APP called Com- M. Com. They don't pay me or anything but I use it and it's for ten minutes and it's just a way of sitting there closing your eyes feeling how you're feeling just just sort of like resetting a little bit hearing what's around you and just sort of just sitting with yourself. It calmed me down a lot. And that's require any is very very I don't WanNa take it doesn't take that you just. I implement integrate because you did that. I didn't necessarily go down that road with you but I am too great. A exercise cold a box breath before each session. We begin and a box. Breath is literally you sitting down with? Whether you're sitting on the floor or cross legged on your knees or whatever's comfortable you leaning slightly over yourself and you breathe in three knows for the count of six you hold the Taupe that count you hold your breath at six and then you breathe out full six in hold at the bottom full six so you do that six to ten times as a breath that will really bring you out of your sympathetic state of your nervous system in nervous system which is a Flight Mechanism night. We are we are running away from a sabertooth tiger kind of because the anxiety that we're feeling right now we're now worshipful germ or we are nest state about sympathetic site very very dicey right now. So it's very important to bring ourselves back into what we call left power sympathetic site which is the rum. Which is the Netflix and chill? Which is the rest and relax feet in the brain. The whole state that we really need to balance themselves with so from a physiological and psychological perspective. It really is important to take breath. It doesn't take much to actually pull you back into a Paralympic Para sympathetic state that that level of breadth use censoring yourself. Just for ten breaths it will significantly improve your anxiety levels will bring back in the wake of vision will open up a little bit more and you just feel comma and I use that every session I do and it works wonders just for everybody just to get into that space. That's excellent. Molly would talk about this breathing technique. When we first started dating she'd be like you're very anxious breathing for six hold for six. Let it out. Yeah I learned it as a therapist so I love that. Yeah it's a great trick for. It's a great trick for every profession. I think what thank you so much for talking to us? David you are at David Higgins London and I should. I'm GONNA shout out. Ls Partridge who was also informative and toured with us a great trainer who he works for you and just want to say that he was always with us part of these workouts. We all three of US really hung out quite a bit. Yeah he's he's Great. He's the best and he's a really really great trainer to so look him up on Instagram as well. Also a very funny guy. He's got some comedy videos and stuff. That are really great. Yeah he's he's just he's one of a kind of a partridge. Make sure everybody if you're looking for something to start if you if it's time for you start working out in the midst of all this go to at David Higgins London If you prefer kind of dance your workouts or any. They're all kinds of workouts online Yeah start small. If you need to this I think this is really really good advice and start with start with breathing and if all you do is breathing one day. That's okay just keep going keep going right. Yep He had to start very very small and it's starting to feel easy. Add a little bit. So if you're doing ten pushups and that starting to feel easy do eleven push ups you know. Just sort of go at your own pace. Yeah exactly right well. Thank you so much David. S pleasure guys. It's really nice to catch up. Yeah it was very nice Mls At sang in podcast at guys
Episode 66: Interviewing Dallas Burkevics
"Wants happening in the canine industry for all the latest news views and expert opinions stay right here for the canine paradigm. You'll hear from industry leaders experts doyennes of the industry learned colleagues movers and shakers and the odd. Randy guest. Get the latest insights and expert advice from both here and abroad from the people in the know now here your hosts Glenn cook and Pat steward, and I'm lofty Fulton, and I'm outta here. Hey, Pat has all my Jason. I hear he's doing fantastic. In fact, he just keeps selling so much gay to L loyal listeners at such remarkable process. What's he got? He's got. Good question, always gonna everything bowls togs laces. I think bowls and tug should be said in the same sentence. Well, we just did meals. That's what Jason's pumping out like hope mills. Why paul? Hi, chip nightshift meals. Yeah. He's got them. All. Episode. Yeah. On patriot. So a lot of people are learning about how to use the mill yet and getting them from Jason leads now, sleds and parachute. So I assure you tasted with remnants of the parachute. Yeah, I can confirm it in flight. I know he still doesn't have a website. So if you'd like to buy something from Jason could be a home spring autumn, you could get that from Jason. But you have to do it through Facebook. And in order to do that you have to hit to on's week at quip, which is heavy spill that A N Z W A say kite on Zwick on's. We don't quit. Welcome back to the Ken on paradigm. You hoes patched Jewett. I'm joined today on my co-host. Glenn Kook and today with in an echo, we room in Cambra. We're not in-studio we're in a different location altogether. This is as much a studio outplays, it's actually Molex Judy because it it actually looks like a studio, and we were talking about heck anyone these tables. But hey, let's introduce Dallas book Vicks Dallas, thanks for having me. Thanks for being a part of the show Spain. I think we've talked about having you on the show since last year, we have already Ellie from spot Patnow even headed on the show where we've said we're gonna have you on the show, and we find the heavy on the show, which is great because look come up to L location at Giral, plenty of times you've done probably about a dozen seminars there over these. And finally we wanted to talk to you about your expertise in. Well, your experience I was gonna say. Too far. They wanna put too much pressure on your experience in the rescue fraternity. Yeah. Because it's something that it's a very popular. And it's very cultural is subject as days the more. You are involved in the dog industry. I think the moist dot hearing people echo, you should have a rescue dog or have you considered a rescue dole or I'm working with rescue and so forth like that? And you've had quite a bit of experience in that over the years. Yeah. So we would like to get your origin stories in. Hey got into rescue. What motivated you do that? When it all started and tell us about the highs and lows of the career. Yeah. So uh thought it off. I didn't grow up in a dog household grew up with cats a sign as I'm moved out. What a house I got myself a rescue dog as one of those people who went to RSPCA with no knowledge about dogs think about it got myself German shepherd. She was a sage eqe she had a few issues, but that all went really well. L added a few more at some rottweilers to the family, and that was really good. They were all sort of middle aged. I venture adopted dusty who's my current labrador that I still have from a rescue group. And at the time they were looking for people to help her out, and I was managing clubs at the time. So I said will I can help with some fundraising. I've got access to supplies and things like that help help the money and sort of things I did that for a while. And eventually they sort of sucked mean. They do. So that was about twelve years ago. So the group that I'm with ice AT. Rescuing foster we do on voluntee- behavioral systems at the pounds around camera and New South Wales as well. So I started doing a bit of that then eventually got into the fostering and this foster dog, and it's all been Healy slope from their ups and downs and lots of dogs through the house and overall it's been a great experience with fittingly. A lot goes on easy and makes it makes life difficult. So how many dogs have you got a yours at the moment. Just to to the dogs of leaving with you three at the moment. So it's it's quiet for me. I'm supposed to be on. Hiatus at the moment. Okay. I've just had knee surgery rotties had cruciate surgery and my labradors now fourteen and he's laryngeal paralysis. We were taking some time out and. Out a little bit as well. So we were taking a bit of time out, but I have had a dog comeback that ivory harmed as a puppy. So she's with me at the moment is to find her in your home. So just three which is the courthouse for me off topic. We just mentioned your Rhody crucial. Soja was at like full tape yellow. Yeah. What's what's expected recovery? Tom on that. Look, this is the second one the first one took our twelve month. I think it was a long Insein that we had, you know, she got out of the house and went belting around suburb and heard it then. And he's time I probably just haven't done a very good job at looking after it. She's going pretty well. But that's cost involved in Taga surgery. These days it's a couple thousand. Yeah. So it certainly doesn't help beggar sorted. You have to. It and then. Yeah. My credit card got hacked. And I just didn't change it over. Nick minute. Yeah. I'm staring down the barrel of that myself. Yeah, he's going to have to have it at some point. I'm just trying to trying to light as low as possible because he's to Tehran just hanging on. Yeah. It's not visible can't see here. They can see like other evidence of the can't see that. But you can feel these needs quite right? And he's going to an altered gate, but we're just pre having as much as possible. Basically the advice was that make it any better by doing the moments. I was going to get much worse before they can make better just one of the reasons when okay to America for extended period because I know with my lock it's been fifteen thousand dollars taking the dog over the blow load out on the first day. I'd be traveling around America with him locked in a box the whole time. That's why that's not happening. But enough about me. Hey, all of it Dellis. Yeah. So camera the dog saying, Dan, he tell us about it. What's who's down? Hugh who the play is? What's what's going on? So we only have we've got the ours piano, which is the only shelter here in camera. They don't work a lot with rescue. They tend to do their own thing. And then there's just one pound which is the camera domestic animal services. So that's the pound in. It's chockablock a lot of the changes in legislation down. He sees a lot more dogs. So I think come when speaking somebody last week that had something like seventy dogs and ninety fifty pins. So they currently boarding boarding dogs in a boarding kennel. So what changes in legislation of lead to look they'd just saving a lot more dogs for harassment and things like that. So the become really strict on any kind of dog attacks any harassment anything like that. They'll save them at the. Yeah, it's pretty full pretty full there. And then there's Quyen Bian which is just over the border is a pound there. There's a couple of rescue group so foster based rescue groups, which is the group that I'm we and then there's a couple of other big ones for life rescue another really good one. And then this is some of the other ones like year heard. Harms and things like that have foster care is in the area as well naturally. Have a by. But Thome have foster care in the area. So the rescue you're involve with doesn't have a physical premises. You is just a network of people that get involved with the pounds in order to see stem in rehoming dolts. Yep. Yep. So we've got about a twenty forty and fifty foster cares at any one time that are all based around the taste. Location or anything like that? It's all all done through the harm. And how it works is way going through the behavioral assessment every Saturday on the dogs that had chief and Asia at the pounds that we deal with them. So a lot of them let Cambria they only get seven days before they're on the list feed in Asia. Are we going every Saturday the give us the least of dogs at ju for the Wednesday. And then we try to find rescue for them those couple of days. So you would get them out of the pan and into foster care. So you rely on having enough foster care is to take the out hold onto them until you then don't have a timeframe of Helen to rearm nine timeframe. So they stay for a minimum of two weeks. Do a quarantine period of two weeks just to make sure we're not passing on disease and things like that into the community and then anytime from their slow minimum two weeks. But sometimes I'll take every year. I think the longest one two years, and what if they require vit- retreatment della sued looks after that, so the rescue group that. Am we we do? It's all paid for. So you covered all you've at work and all that sort of thing is covered. So we do a lot of fundraising throughout the year. We're pretty lucky out group Bank balances quite healthy. So we probably get a lot of things that all the groups. Don't get we get a lot of donations and things like that of food. So we're pretty lucky in that in that respect everything you're doing in your in your risk. Your organization is all on terribly yet. Volunteer or should say. Yeah. And so the food that your given the rest someone doughnuts Abaga food to the rescue that thing. It's like disseminated to those foster cares. Yeah. Yep. So Albert we've got a warehouse that we will at somebody's basement hick. We call it the shopping warehouse, and that's where the donations go and then foster care can just go and pick them up whatever they need. But you do end up a lot of the food that we get donated is not always the best quality food. And fortunately fall secure as starting to say the benefits of fading appropriate. Food and that sort of things, you know, the big bags of Powell, and that sort of stuff and anything colors tends to get lift behind which is good to say this starting to say that the benefits of fading really good food. That's, but it doesn't mean you have to pay for it yourself. So get quite quite expensive. I guess what? A lot of people don't tend to see is the amount of work and organization that actually goes into these like foster care in and rescue is not just something that you can just do a little bit Dibble dabble in you're either in or you're out. Yeah. And that's the difficulty of it. Because it is like it's almost like an organized army. You've got to have a lot of people a lot of spice a lot of time. A lot of dedication, and one of the things I guess people don't realize is the Amana stress that's involved in it. Yeah. It is highly stressful highly emotive, I'm just going to say it. There's a lot of wrong type of people involved in skew who shouldn't be in it because they're in it for a lot of the wrong reasons, but they were. Hundreds and thousands of people that Irene it, and I'm look seriously Mahat guys out to him because I did a little bit with rottweilers. I did a little bit of help with Walla. So I things, but it is so demanding and so involved I didn't have time to maintain Korea and maintain rescue and help paper with it all the time that probably sounds a little selfish and in the white walls. But I just didn't have the time to be out of commit to. It was just so full on. And they will pay a ringing me around the clock and people wanting me to take dogs in getting in trouble from the council having term any dogs in my backyard, and it would just it was just helter skelter at one stage. So totally once you're in there. They suck you in. You know, you say how many dogs the whiting how many dogs need help? And you start to go my God to fit dog seen and they calling out last-minute. These gets put to sleep. It comes you house and say know, I can fit another one in and really. In reality. You probably conned. So I think it's pretty special people that that Tyke it on and that do it. Well, and really commit to it because it takes so much time the training involved in getting a foster care on board. Let me get a lot of people here. Just want to try out Adoga sensually before they adopt or I just wanna foster for a couple of months, and it's just I think that say what goes on in the background to try and get inductions dawn and all the paperwork and all the training, and that sort of thing, and I think some groups who aren't trying the foster care. Don't do any of that sort of thing it probably wicks them for us. We want to make sure that we set them up to succeed. And we set the dogs up to succeed as well. Because it's just important for them. And that the foster care is not what they're doing an inorganic do anything stupid takes one person to tight a dog with Paul Volcker into a into shop or to a dog park and next minute all of rescues go to bed nine. So so on that it's not an Icee taste specific. Thing and for listeners in America as as a strand capital. Territories very small state held with the New South Wales. It just holds the camera, which is the capital where I would just kind of rural the polls Titians resort. And I know a city with Cameron, but it's kind of these Feick CD. It's just it's fight city in the middle of no way where I go. Hey, this is with the country runs from. Yeah. Which is literally what I did. There was it was that Sydney. Melbourne were arguing about who was going to be the capital, you know, what will build the city halfway between. And then that can be anyway, which it's not exactly. And there's any big for me like in the middle and everything anyway. So this might be a specific Lauda Heeb. But how does the China custody work with the dog in rescue? So if the dog has been seized, for example, found on the straight or whatever. And then I imagine he's in the custody of the pound with ours. Pay CIO ever use. When the rescues says, okay, don't use an is we believe because of behavioral segments. He's reloadable. We want to take him is he then the custody of the risk us and into the foster care, and he's in the custody like an yet. So the ownership changes of the dog. Yeah. I ship strike from the pound intially once they become the property of the pound, which is eight once they've been in their certain number of days, depending where you are. All if they've been surrendered to the pound, then they get on straight into the foster care as name. So if I got the full security pickup dog, then microchip straight into my name. Right. Right. So you said. You're the foster care, really. In name only earn. Well, you have the dog your dog, and you're responsible for it. And everything that happens to it after that, you might use the term foster care because that separates you emotionally from the idea of keeping the dog. But from the absorb looking from the outside of these your dog, and yet you are responsible for it until you essentially find someone to give it to. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. On the microchip legally responsible until you find it another Harman and sonnet IVA. So we do a three week trial as well for new home. So they can return anytime three weeks for my will take the dog back anytime. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. If we can. And so as a foster care what you said, you just get some people who like maybe do gooders or wanna try out, Dogo, whatever what vetting. Do you have of that lack? Imagine you don't know may turn up and say, hey of just being. Just oh, I've just been posted to camera. I'm new to the area. I wanna be a foster care. What's the process after that we out group defends with every group veasley, but we do like an introductory session where they calm, and they learn all about rescue. So they learn things like the fact that in that way quarantine period, the dole constantly you house. You've got to work out ways to and also that dog might be bringing today's into your house. So you aren't dogs are at risk depending where the designed to quarantaine from your own dogs. If you have them things like that. Also, the behavioral issues that you might expect in that time we talk to them about health hill staff behavior. So in the things that can happen wallet fails to kiss the Demi that you get to your house all that sorta stuff and give them he's the reality jaw. It's not all about playing poppies and having a really nice time and a little the dogs that we get in rescues, especially down here in Cambra. We don't get a lotta small white philosophies. We don't get a lot of really easy dogs. So a lot of big Bill braids lot and just getting expectation around what's going to happen. So we'll talk to you about that. Make sure we come into a house chick. Check that fences a set up that you have a corner Tena rea- a separation let we make all efforts to carry how the separation area. So if anything happens with the dog like can be separated from urine dogs. A kennel or just a way of taking your dog away from the others. Yeah. Yes. I usually some sort of Cipro fenced area or a dog Ron or something like that. That can save a separation if there's a fought, and we need to separate the dogs temporarily while we worked out. Okay. So then good meaning pets short turns up. And I say, yeah, I understand all that. I'm just going to be hanging onto his dog until you as the rescue or someone else in the rescue funds rehome for it. Or is that pot of Morris ability as well. So without we do all the rate harming ourselves different groups do it differently. Like, some of them will have a high Q that takes all the enquiries. And then since the mount to the foster care is who then releasing them. We do it f- elves. So I'll take Oli enquiries. And then choose the harm for the Doug that I've got I tend to like that white bit off of myself because I know the dog that I've got in my K. So I know the sort of harming that needs to go to wanna be able to fit then that it's. Rot home. What's the funnel for that? Like, how do people know that you have that dog? How do they get in contact with you say mainly through website? We've go to our website. He's quite strong. So we get a lot of enquiries earn wave slot now rescue. But also. Risky. That will advertise dogs on behalf of all the rescue groups in camera. That's like a Kossi aisles website where you put foster dog. I put him for our adoption on this generic web. So people can search by breed, maybe a location or whatever normally not breed because a lot of the rescues and moving away from breed identity because it's just not reality. That's good to hear. Yeah. I think a lot of them are going there, which is good. So usually by location size things like that. And then yeah, they can have look in contact the foster care and guy from there. So it's not up to their foster care to be like. All over their own Facebook. Like, hey, come get this done for me something this dog. I this some group so people who just foster for themselves, and and that way, and certainly now we have pretty strong, we go a little Stolz and things like that throughout the year different places and advertise the dogs there and we've got Facebook page Instagram things like that. So people people to Gary generally too fond rescue so good to a pet store. Just arrived in camera at a saw it. I want to be a foster care of guys. You've checked out my house. I'm aware that it's getting to be up to me alternately to decide who the dough goes to is there any training the rest of your provide to me like magin say like it's interesting for me because I know you have known you for years on your at all the events, and I know your dog traina. What happens when all might pets jewelry has no idea turns up, and he's like, no, I've got really good intentions of watched the season Milan books. It right. So there any tr-. Training that's provided to those people. Yeah. So we set you up with a mental salt with we have people like may have been in rescue for a long time usually have some sort of training knowledge, and we'll assist the foster carrot in choosing their foster dogs men. Also, any behavioral issues that come up in sort of period while they've dog we also we have a writing system. So when we go into the pounds and have a look at these dogs, and we do various tests on them to sort of say what sort of harm is gonna these dog. And obviously, we get you know, maybe ten to twenty minutes to do test on a dog who's in a pound, you're only get seven days. So it's not perfect. But it does give a really good picture of. He some of the things you might expect. We'll come up if you take these dog into your heart things like and we do test for raise all Scotty, which is not contentious in rescue. We do it more for the point that if we do see resource guarding dog, then we'll generally say to the false carrots. With kids. Probably don't take these one. Whereas if you don't have kids, and you might have some training knowledge, great, you know, any of these smart adult for year. So what does that tests was that contentious a lot of people don't like the results guiding test one because it studies that have shown that the what they see in. The pound doesn't always come up in the harm. And he's quite stressful. You know, you shopping hand if I can in dog vice it's not reality especially in a confined quarters like kennels impounds generally like it's a tiny little not tiny. Yeah. But but you're right. I mean, there's elevated stress they're already in. It's quite out of fischel is compared to what he's in home. However, all things need to be considered. I guess I mean if you saying trained or behavior dog econ- overrule that it wouldn't happen. If the dog experienced race in as well. Yeah. And that's what it's about. It's about bidding about he's some of the things that you might say. So if you have a problem with dealing with that and don't take the dog. So we give them a writing. So when we test them, we give them a gold, which really easy dogs dogs that could pretty much any harm any family. They should be fine. So that means they usually always good with other dogs. They could PayPal handling all that sort of stuff Silva dogs are dogs who are generally pretty good. I should be fairly good with other dogs. They might just display things like jumping up pulling laid on. They might be strong. They might be really active dogs, Dr dogs things like that. So no major behavior. Issues about just some training stuff that somebody might need to work on. And then there's a bronze dogs member on the dog the dog. So you have some sort of behavioral issue that will need series of work. And so we also right f cares. So if your new in foster, caring, you can really only take where we say you can go dogs really never get go. They always get adopted from the pounds. There's not many of them. So usually tight the golden of the civil over this over dogs with behavior things that I can easily work on and then. Yeah. The silver silver cares can take overall gold. We didn't have a lot of bronze cares. We have people that can do it. But not many people choose to Tyke. Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's a few people that something I can work with because it's a a wonderful dog who's just not good with other dogs. So if you're not leaving with the dogs in harm, then that might be fine for you. So yeah, I can sort of choose. We put them a lot. We have an internal website for efforts to care that. Then they sort of look at them in choose what would suit them. We also have an approval process for efforts to care. So they have to be approved by the committee to be able to take that dog. And what they are looking for is d- have too many dogs that you taking on too much is this adult that's really suitable for your harm. And then okay. So back into myopathy ical of come to camera. You've given me some basic training introduction to rescue. What it is you? This is being able to have a Suva dog bring out that Silva dog and few weeks light out. I say, you know, what I'm capable right now. As a foster. Aw, that's been inducted into your rest. You're saying I only have the. Passive one dog. So I'm out is that you can see to that. Like, okay. This is a good scenario the dog home or you go you mother fucker waste of that till? A beat a Bari always happy. When people find their forever dog unites a dog, it's been saved. It's not dead. It's out of the pound. It's always good. But at the same time, we're always diesel pointed especially if it's a foster care that we were like, oh, you know, you're going to be really good thing that happens regularly. Yeah. Like one of the things having rise dogs to sell that horrifies people that pot with the dog. And and even myself, I have to admit it's only how the first one. Really after that you like get out. But I imagine for a lot of people probably take on the I'm gonna do these foster a dog and just think no capable. Yeah. I think the first one is always the hardest. Like, it's the one way you're in love with these thing, and it's brand new to it. So we get a lotta people that really struggle with the first one, but I think, you know, usually want people get a few under their belt, and once I say how many the whiting to come into rescue. And then they start going God if I get rid of these one can help that nicks one year so for me and all of those may now wait for them to get out. Off just wanna have earn dogs for a little while and have Bryk. So I love it. When that's where I wanna just six question is hell do you identify as a group, and what you do about burn out? Do you have a backup system or a network of looking at for each other? When you starting to experience that cycle of Burnett because the reason I asked this question is because the lady that anew and Melvin, and I didn't know it. Well, I feel a bit guilty of these bit. She committed suicide because she was so involved in the dogs, and she just felt so helpless of what was happening with the dogs and the amount of dogs coming to our nobody was checking on her. Nobody was giving your backup. Look, it probably wasn't the only raise him. But as in her NAR chief noted that it was because of the intensity of the dogs, and she felt so helpless and Atta control that she had no relief from it. And I think that's I think that's a real danger with people in this industry, especially with rescue is that people need help themselves. I mean, we so. When I say way, I'm talking about the people in the industry who are doing this because I'm not trying to include myself on that when I'm talking about is the people who are in these industry who are experiencing that who is looking out for them, who's helping them. And do you find that you it's sufficient or it's not sufficient enough? Yeah. Look definitely an area that needs more work. I think on really lucky now we have a really good system. I think we've been around seventeen knees or something and we've got been camera. We've got a lot of public servants. Are there's a lot of policy and procedure behind everything that we do so approval processes help with things like that. Because Al approvals committee will start to go. You know, you've taken a lot of dogs. You've taken a lot of difficult dogs. We have a rescue subcommittee who made monthly deal with half off to care going. Just a few months ago. We rent a session, we psychologist down here. He's also foster care who talked about burn out and how to help yourself and all that sort of stuff. So we have a pretty good system with the group that I'm with. But it certainly. Rescue these one of the really big really big things that they need to put more work into because this simony, especially the smaller groups people who are rescuing by themselves. There's nobody help them, and it can the more you taking like even for me the group. It's just my Facebook fade is just all my friend at work has got a dog, and they need to get rid of it and you come high off to during your own job. And then you've got foster dogs, and you've got to do all of that. And your are in law. Guilt on top of it, the mail more more guilt more pressure, and that's the danger that people find themselves in. Take on this mountain pressure from society all the time. We'll nobody else's going to take on these dog who's going to do it before it dies. Then you'll feel like well, I'm really straight up got no room and maybe go to bathroom. He I can put another gain. And that's genuinely would've same people doing just thought it just is insane. The amount of dogs. I've had in their home that they have no life. They come home from job already tacked at stressful foam, and then they coming home to another job after everybody else's discarded dogs that everybody else's just throwing away and thought, well, this is somebody else's problem. And these big hotted full has taken on all these dog. And I mean that with respect osteopathi-. Yeah. But they take on all these dogs, and I realized on completely tapped out, and there's no one they fold them. No, one to turn to no one to offer any assistance or any mental reprieve from it. And that's that's. And letting that something that the industry needs to be aware off is that when when we are discussing these dogs, and when we destroying out like an old, I find they become somebody else's problem. And that person is Dan inherited a problem selves in it's really difficult on their own mental health that feel really strongly about and fill like not many rescue. Nope. By any stretch of the imagination. But I've never had never been involved in rescue can talk about like how to get involved in didn't. But this is Tiki light. Is that feel like giving up dog should be more difficult? I feel like we just have to not rescue can impact that. But this should be legislative things in place that like it's you took on this responsibility. You have the capacity to privately rehome dogs. It's not like going to rescues your only hope like there's things you can do for your dog. And I just feel like people need to take more responsibility. If dogs we spoke on the pocus every dog I've earned that needed to be euthanized. Myself because I just feel like that's Marsh. Once I've made this decision for you like, I'm the one that does it. I don't expect that level of commitment to people. But I mean Faulk you've you chose to have a dog because it should be like discarding firearm, right yet, your responsibility. That's right. It's safely stored away with somebody else's gonna take care of it and do the right thing and the need for rescue just in my mind is just outrageous in the idea that someone would get a dog. And then just be like, oh, I'm done with these fucker or have it oaks seized and not trying to get it back. Look, I understand does get saved because of whatever. But then the program co- battle goes on whatever joining the dope back. It just is. So like so foreign to me, and I had friends who have had circumstances change and have had to keep the dog anymore, and as a person in the industry, they come to me and looking I can rehome dog tonight. Maybe because I don't push that don't do it regularly to close friends, but like I can I can put a post on Facebook and that dog will be going, but I understand the rescue to do that. Because you burn out your network you can. How many dogs, but I feel like people should be somehow forced to take that responsibility. So that others don't have to because the people who will just continue to shoulder the burden of others until the it gets too heavy that they collapse under it. Well, they've been doing that with children for thousands of years. Yeah. Exactly. Where people just go ahead have drunken Benda come. I'm go. God. This has happened. No. It's people's faults. I get that. But that's another child that is going to land on the doorstep. If somebody else to take responsibility and hope they don't turn out to be the next serial. We suddenly luck in society. Coach you don't get that. I mean, I know people who've adopted kids in strike that he's nearly impossible to do year is more doctors in their kids to be adopting that it's no this many homeless people and kids on the straight. Yeah. Well, that's people who had towards to their kids. It's a as maybe a different thing. But it really just it's so foreign to me the idea that you would have like, oh, I'm going to get it. Dog and then go now, I don't want you anymore. You're someone else. It would be into all about side. We all have empathy for dogs. That's the thing is that we all have a genuine desire and love to say dogs improved. That's why all of us sitting here. We're all China's I mean you've done the course as well. And you're in rescue and you're on your own successful businesses. But the reason we do it is because we actually love dogs. Yeah. The reason we spend time sitting in this room setting up podcast material is and the subject that we chose to talk about was dogs is because we get dogs. We love them. And the unfortunate thing is is days a myriad of people at their in society. Who do not feel this way? They also so closed off to the thought of loving dog like Bain random people's has show. You have them show. You have Doulos where you doing listen, and you can say the glinting there is of sighing plays decide to get rid of this dog because they've Saint they'll tell you what a destruction doggies, and what a disruption. The dog is too. They live and the fact that they only bought it because they kids winds to them at the time. And it was a huge mistake. And they just begging for you to say get rid of the dog yet because they don't want to be the one to be the bad that they just want someone to say your name mission permission to do it. Yeah. But even those people are better than the people that dislike see light a fucker. I've been the guy and let the doco. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of genuine stories as well in rescue one of the false deductions for the one out of will. I one hundred that I ended up camping Gracie. She had they got a victim from the Harman and couldn't find combination with dog, which is really big problem in the and that's why we say simony dogs in pounds is a combination. So they leave with her and she was nearly forty kilo abroad. Cross they leave with her to adults and forty kilo dog in the back of a station wagon for very before they decided they just couldn't do it to her anymore. That's a bit of a different situation. Really and think. Yeah. But there are. Are a lot of those in rescuing people die and people can't take on the dog this payment and genuine reasons as much as I think a height say PayPal hand dog. Sometimes I think it's it's better for the dog rather them than site. Hey, I'm working. Let's give the dog to somebody who can find it a bit of harm them that being stuck in the backyard height PayPal too because everybody's gonna make me feel like shit that old dog Duggan. Leave it in the backyard for the rest of its life and give it nothing. I mean in ideal world, they do the right thing and train the dog and make it part of the family, but not everybody's priorities of the same as Alfred authorities dog. So. Absolutely with you in that. Because if somebody was a drunken Hobo knocking children around and children got shipped off deliver their ankle and onto the grandparents or something like that it would be disrupted for the children. But in long term, it would be much better for them to go and have a stable home with a loved and careful by somebody who actually does wonder and Ken bay in that situation yet because I mean, I know people who the thought of Cape ING that dog would be ideal. But they just can't I mean having the money to support themselves and be living on on noodles and braid and trying to maintain the law for a dog where it's just not working added to bad bad situation for everybody. And those things genuine raisins like saying PayPal industries, and I sort of things it said that even in those situations, they might feel guilty in my view. Mike in a decision, which is genuinely offer everybody. Yep. And is odd genuine situations. Like what you're describing totally subscribed to that. When somebody identifies I'm gonna shit situation. I'm going to make these dogs live. Hello this child's life. Hell like it is going to complete an avocado soul them really the most loving thing that I could do in this situation is fun. You been? Hi. Yeah. That was talking about before is the fact is that they should at least be. How responsible mate you half y in trying to find a home? I like like saying of got this dog. I really would love someone to take it on all help with whatever. I can. But I can't care for it. On naked capable probably. Yes. Our rescue wave run separate Facebook page to the rescue group that Ray Himes dogs full the public. So the public hold onto the dog. You just advertise it full them. So that's always the first step for offense. What he that wants to surrender that hey, let's try these and it has really good results usually a higher amount for every dog. Obain some that nigga make it, but this plenty of plenty of dogs native fan to harm without having to coming to rescue go through pounds, which is how we gonna stop dogs dying because if not in the pan to start we've they're not going to get youth. Nice. I think it's that those sort of areas that rescue really need to work hard on. How do we one educate the public and getting the right dog to start with and getting the dog that's gonna feed into the harm that they're not going into months and all this and asshole and once a tank, Ron, and I'd on the couch and making sure that those dogs getting to the right harm to start with. Yeah. I think to understanding it more as I think about it. Now talking to you. I think that rescue as an intermediary is probably excellent. Roy like where you have a real case of someone that comes to you and says for whatever reason insert story, he concave the dog anymore. And and the dog never actually has to be you'll custody or is never up in arms about is there going to be a price for these gets that. Yes. The Cape until we find a place for you. You're just a vassal by which the DOJ gets behind. That's a dream world where it's not that they stole going to die. If no one likes it out of the out of the kennel today. Yes. And you don't have to stop it in your bathroom and have some person with a big hot is thin stock as dogs running their own life to do it. And if we could just be there to help, those people have genuine circumstances. Like somebody dies things like that. That's what we'd love to say. He's always. To safety net for this always gonna be some outlaw up scenario one. They won't ask as well. Along with my heart pathetic story is good pets to it has left your rescue. Now. It's six months light. I he's walking down the street with his new DOE cold bubbles. And kost gracious to a halt next to him and says fluffy. Where have you been it's been six months since you left we ran away, and we were on holiday, and no one got in contact with this and suddenly here he is. How's that cost? And does that on? Waller horrendous lock in sometimes it's sometimes it's fine. And it's a dog that you go yet happy, obviously, the second stances will talk to them. What happened? Why wasn't the dog micro-chipped wide? Didn't you go and pick? It up depends on the whole story, and that sort of thing as to the majority of the time the dog, we'll go back to the orient, depending on the second sense. I've had somewhere I ended up giving it back and two weeks later. He's lot. Nah, I want go again. Yeah. It is can be oakwood. You could probably pick that that's going to happen by the post nowadays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, part of the reason that I probably gave the dog back is always like God knows we're gonna leave. Okay. Yeah. I really want him coming round going. Hey that dogs oldest give it back and make sure that I can heartfully support human often be NAS enough that when he decides again that he doesn't wanna dog that he'll come back to me. Which is what we? Yeah. Yeah. But is have you ever say like a custody dispute player? This are that it's every goal nut fall. But this certainly being some some that have been ended up pretty nasty and taken up a lot of apple volunteers time and people of copped a lot of abuse and threats that sorta stuff so I don't know that I've ever seen one guard court. But yeah, there's been some pretty nasty nasty cases that have come out. Yeah. Because I can imagine it would be a little bit like safe Doug was very homed. And it's a year later, or whatever it's almost like receiving stolen goods. Yeah. You have genuine purpose you rescue dog. I love him. He is in my home. And now the person genuinely lost the dog and circumstance whatever it meant that they couldn't get it back. And then I happen across it in the straight back. Fortunately, the men tree mockery ping like most of them a mockery cheap. They can usually get in contact with the owner, and if the band, he's a log of how many we tied to contact you decide that the dogs. They don't have a lot to stand on when they come back and what my dog. So if we've tried to contact them once after seven days stri becomes the property of the panned illegal. That's what happens you legally. There's nothing to fall back. It's yoga, right? There's just a case of the moral issue of and who is probably going to be best for the dog at that. Exactly. Yeah. Geez. I remind me that movie law in have you seen that before the show destroying maybe this little Indian kid. He follows these probably to work on and he's brother disappears. And he ends up falling asleep on the train, and he wakes up malls malls away from home. And by the time that's done east five or six years old, and he gets sort of chased around and people trying to catch him and put him into all these strange environments. But what they finally do get him into an orphanage and in he he finds himself shipped from India too. Mania 'cause he gets lost in the often system. And he's lighter on these lifelock. He just knows something's not right. And he's live like he knows. He's obviously, he's not they're not real parents. But he says his longing defines mom lucky feels disconnected and a strange from his whole life. And he's just like he's unbalanced and everything is is not right in his life. And he finally finally after years of searching going on the Google maps. He finds that where he's really draws. And he goes back there, and these real mom and co connects with so it's a really good movie. I recommend everybody watch it at least once. Until the ads like on. Yeah. It's like their risk dogs. It was. Risky with humans. On top of this on top of this discussion. What do you say that needs to be corrected industry like way? Do you think we could be doing it better as as a society like your quite immersed in it? Yeah. At the moment. Back to the bear. Now that I'm on the committee, and all that sort of thing in a lot back when all's in public service and could do a little bit work while of that work. It was like, hey, but now, you know, in in my new job, I'm way to busy my dog's getting old off. So I'm sort of taking a bit of a back step because tycoon to turn macho took on dogs that had a lot of behavior issues. I think once you become a traina all of a sudden, you know, you go. Yeah. We'll probably fix that. And so you end up taking dog seen and taking more and more trouble dogs. We'll go to too much luck just constantly training. Everybody else's dog. And and mine poke suffered as a result of that. So yeah, I'm sort of getting out of that. But I think definitely for rescue groups. I think they need to start looking at running more like businesses. I think at the moment they run on the smell of an oily rag. They constantly pleading for money, and they taking dogs that they can't afford. Heard they taking dogs that they don't have places for. Whereas I think if they rented a little bit more luck business, and there's always going to be a big volunteer factor. You can never sing is never gonna have enough money to pay everybody. But if they can pi- a some stuff just to take a bit of the Lord off of the foster cares and things like that. I think it would just run a little bitter and making sure that the police in procedures in place that, you know, make sure that people aunt taking on too much and an really running Lockerbie business. I think that's one of the best things that risky do for it. Self to to really help stop things like Barron out, and and the financial factories huge just flipping the sky on this little bit of saying how the situations where people have and it started off in a place of love. So I'm not battering these people for the white turned out. But what then happens is they they take on a dog. And now the dog another dog and the dog and before they know it they they've collected like an amassed an amount of dogs, and I become like the crazy cat lady. Who's got a houseful of cats and these cats are all like living in squalid conditions, and it's the same thing sane in dogs way. These like twenty dogs in a backyard that really is only suitable for three or four dogs at based yet based and is twenty dogs run the Roman around the plight shitting on top of each other. And are there in terrible condition because they coat the stuff. They're not aiding the ROY Amana food, but the person is convinced that they're doing it for the. Raisins, they taking on more and more and more. And I think the very real dangerous Ziv taken a mad of compromising position and put him in a brand new one if not possibly and potentially worse than the one removed from I think that that situation. It self is something that needs to be highly identified in that. These people have begun with with good intentions, but they've they migrated into something that he's a little bit precarious. Yep. Definitely. Yeah. We say, and I think it's the same. As can you provide? The it's got to be the same for foster care as the new Harlem's. Can you provide the training? Can you provide the enrichment all that sort of stuff if it's only a wake way all hi, I'm going to be really busy this week? But after that I can provide this dog what at needs. But if we're just jamming dogs into foster care, and it's the wrong harm for them. Like, the Dogo got at the moment. I'm struggling with majorly because she's hard-drive dog. She needs the exercise autumn provide at the moment. And because she wasn't one that I charge. She was a a ROY Moore is a ten week puppy. She's come back as an eight month old Kilby Meeks, and who needs to any Columba's die. None of us can do that. It's just as important to get those right dogs into the foster care because otherwise I end up with. In the same shitty situation as they were before. So really important to all that sorta stuff and make sure that you foster care up providing for the dog and training the dog we do a lot of training with foster care. So we we've had site tomorrow from underdog east to come up to camera lot. She comes up most us and runs. A workshop forest may have had cats owned. We've had Trish Harris. Gary Jackson, a lot of fun. So where you bring China's to camper every year to run different workshops on. We've done anything from behind you stuff to noise work telling touch so trying to educate cares. They have a little bit more knowledge and making sure that they are providing for the dog daycare. I think is really important addicting enough rescues do trying to care. When important really important for my point of view. I think that that's an Allen they had that's that's really way October industry. Paypal and must be the people listening to this can assist in rescue is not getting bogged down in to heavily self. But assisting knows paper with training advice. And that may and may have fantasized about like, a some sort of organization that donates meals to rescues and engines to. How to use them? You know, you look at maybe L might Jason feminine can get involved. I mean, it would be like could you imagine say ours? Pay who happened to have a few hundred million dollars lying around could facilitate putting a meal and education on how to use that every rescue. And then imagine you behavioral systems, it would be probably have completely different outcomes dogs in the kennels had an outlet. So like, you know, he's an example from my life. I was at payroll. It's one time talking to the goals about how I can't stand dirty dogs, the dogs Putin in their own kennel that disgusts me. And I was like I just couldn't keep it like that. I was talking about if I couldn't trying it out of the dog. Of course, I kid, but I was talking about. Oh, it's disgusting. I would never have a dog that did that. And all the goes up resorts looking at me in Craigslist rim Coney potty. And I was like what are you looking at that? And they said your dog is the most fucking disgusting dog that we KP in the kennel shits all over the place and has approved hot. Wash. Washing every night. And I was like what? And I had no idea. Yeah. Now, that's just one anecdote, right? But that tells you that he sleeps in a box at home. He has a kennel that he's from John the time, and he has never in his loft piece shit in the box. And so that tells me just that one thing that he's a different dog when he's in the kennel, this is when he's at my home. And so behavioral assessment would show that she's in the county euthanasia, but he's a different. And I I'm convinced that so many dogs that pound and have behavioral assessment that is a snapshot in time at probably the worst time in that dogs fucking law. He's never been in a worse situation is and that is when we're going to decide you suitable for what are you like as oppose imagine being locked in us elation tanks? That haven't been all slide KENDALL before new life. Yeah. Get put him on for wake. And now I'm going to make it decision on your personality. But imagine that you in the kennel eight because this certain things we can't we can't China. You have to store these somewhere during this time, but every day you introduced to a meal correctly and chances I for an bully braid cross. But every day for ten minutes, you get to sprint your gutsy out on the mill just that alone. Even if those no control work, even if there was nothing else available to but you just got to just blast off the energy that you'll building up in that kennel. I personally believe in have no evidence for this other than dot. But I totally believe that every would be assessed differently. Definitely if it look at look at little rats when they get the little spinning wheel they get to run on there and just print that got out. I mean, it gives them something do than just walk around the conference crazy. Yeah. That's right. They get an outlet during that one thing just like a couple thousand bucks because meal you get like a good meal and thanks Mike want specifically a risky one that he's industrial to the industrial doesn't need the bills on whistles, solid steel. And like it's locked to the grand and every ten minutes on you said you. Getting a mill delegating meal yet the business. I wake fo pops fun. We getting tomorrow. So we do a little stuff with rescue think about twenty five stall offals to cares. So we've always the owner is really supportive of rescue groups and brings in we were always bring in dogs sometimes off the room is L foster. Just supportive. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's a foster care as well. So we try to do what we can still gonna run a business and client dogs in. But we try to do what we can to help the rescue dogs if it's woke dyke hero, especially the poppies. We really work a lot with the puppies and making if we can build them to be strong resilient and confident than we're not going to say them in a pan lighter. So that's why we tend to focus a lot of L load of our activity on this lot meal tested at just the other day at Cameron life. These dog just had twenty minutes of running. He would attested soggy friendly, quote, just reactive you could just see old is pinned up energy. When Randy Spain put him on the mill, and like, he's just in that fucker state of mind getting put him on the mill and just letting runny Scott set, and he's a different dog after he's off it. Yeah. Like just say like it's almost like relief. He can you can say all the stress and all the it's not stress. It's just energy lock. It's. Pent up energy. It's like a steam coca ready to explode. And the mill gives him that out to let him do that. Because he's not a die that he wants to do work. But it's not available for him. You know, and I do waiting, but it's he wants more than that. And I can just tell aids more than that. So I put him on the mail. We do some running leading the tug at the end of it. And it's like complete relief. Like he gets off. If he could talk to me, if I could actually interview him and speak with immed- side, dude that was that was it you just tap the Nile raw on the head with that that was eight and you can say the why he walks back to the house he's tails up he's contained you know, he gets in the yard. And then he doesn't run ran balking. He's he's at pace with himself. So really has given him a child. Are you familiar with dogs love it? Yeah. Yeah. I was really impressed with her when I went to the pay last year. And I mean, look I got like a snapshot of who is but I think that what her and attainment doing over. There is just incredible and Jijel Spain heavily involved in providing enrichment for them. And there's probably a lot of other people who have as well. And that's what pet was referring to before is that there are many of us that are capable of doing that top thing offering help and assistance and and doing it gratis as well like helping out and making it available to the people who are on the front line who aren't getting paid themselves. I think that's an incredibly congestion for people who are doing so much because it really is in many cases, it's very thankless career. I or whole inheritance Foto you that off how dogs Serie wind numerous windows got one wool. I still haven't fixed down to the stud work, and it's and you're going to that. Yeah. Yeah. Big halls. One dog chewed up the floor can't listings, laptops, shoes. Computers. It's just ROY. And that's on the person who does the foster work to those calls. That's part of the damage that you say, oh, always in the situation. And and a lot of people don't recognize they don't understand the the personal turmoil. That these people do go through because they partners will come home and say, well, that's another fucking thing. The dogs wrecked and remind them on a daily basis like y'all doing this. You took that on it. You know, it's your responsibility. Now, it's costing us money. So there's a lot of that mounting stress comes to so in a lot of cases, I've got absolute respect for people in these in the rescue industry. They big how fools in a lot of ways. They really are. No, it's not. I'm not I mean, somebody has to do it. Somebody has to do it. Like, it's like people like mother to raise up when she looked after so many often people inside fall like that somebody had to do it. Somebody's got to step up because a lot of people wind, and to be honest, put myself in that Bosco, I did a little bit of it. But I don't do a lot of it. Because. I'd have to there's a degree of selfishness day because I just leave it a boarding kennel where I gotta go down and deal with other people's dogs. I get paid for this wrong. But still going get up at three o'clock in the morning when dogs the balking all distress because I've Shuten bad not gotta go and clean, the shoot off all them guy back down. So I do know what it's like to be have an inconvenience in those type of things. But I mean, my own home is not Bain chewed out from the inside out by adult that I've just brought in because it's going to be on death row tomorrow, and then disease I've had Povey virus through my hands. Right. Puppy to vote, and I'm working in a daycare. So the quarantine that I had to put myself through to ensure that all wasn't bringing anything anyway NIA like the community lodge at all. But especially my business law Becky out. Well, fortunately, we do a quarantine anyway. So the poppies had on any in really small area of my house lead big corner tainting there. So it wasn't as difficult as defied had got them and let them run throughout the whole house and Yod, but yet still dealing with two poppies who both had power. And and what happens after that? It's just it was horrendous mental anguish to it's not just the physical thing that you're going through the work you're doing it's the actual mental stress that you're in during that time 'cause you dealing with the dying puppy in another one that's possibly gonna go. I think the long term stress on that is the idea round so small you can just see with you cleaned up all the now. So you like do the best you can. And you just hope. In the next the next poppy comes to younger, f tend my house to the point that it's like, it's eight and three months flow boards. Football at the front door. And then again, the call like all McCloy is would get changed before winning to the ballroom disaster and concentration anxiety for months afterwards. Wondering winds are gonna come back, and it's the same behavioral stuff. Sometimes you have to as a dog for behavioral raisin the not to get out in the community. And and I think it's even worse now the train away just enor- a lot more about what's happening in sometimes so hot after that decision, which I've done a few times, and it's just could potentially fix that problem to the point that we're not going to say it right now. But can I actually put that into a horror movie the normal person that potential time bomb? Yeah. Yeah. It's thought big decision to make. But that that's what I think this so much it's important with your skill level involved in in the the rescue. Ulster where because you know, you say this. Certain restaurants in situations where just about saving the dogs at any cost. Yeah. And I put dangerous out into the community. Just a time bomb waiting till K and responsibility yet. Going volved in training. So when assaulted out of the foster care and doggone writing anything about Dole's horrendous and a foster dog attacked my dog dusty, and I will just regret that for the rest of my law. I feel so much guilt. That idea not say the signs that something was going to happen. And I had a train come to my house, and she's wonderful. She's German very to the point. And she was live with these fault you 'cause this why didn't you say this? And I was like oh my God. What have I done? And so yeah, then I was like well shit. If I'm gonna be of secure on to go away and learn about these can't have these happen again to my dog. Yeah. Fortunately, he was fallen this surgery cost of surgery again for me. So that was another good thing. But yeah, like, it certainly made me help and go on to a need to learn about dogs if I'm gonna do this. So something you just touched on having had to use an odd Stokes that you've made that call on pretty sure we've sat on the Pocock. I've been a never hidden. This fact, you know, not all dogs are for right? And before people start getting into anger about that say not PayPal for these. And and so how does that play into the modal like because the truth is some dogs have been a genetically psychopaths? That's totally possible can happen. And yet kinda yoga's luckily to end up in a rescue all have been turned into something that resembles a psychopath, and he's probably pasta point of help yet. And then there's the other the economies of scale. So there's really three reasons why wanna might have to euthanize. You don't I that it just like I can't be helped. It's been built into one or that it just is equipped be in infinite time and resources. Now, how does that play into the model and the burn out and all that sort of thing? It's a big one. I think eats festival because we do that initial tests on the dogs loose dogs don't making into the program. So people don't choose the dogs that again, obey the Sokha paths. All I get filed out before they getting a lot of them daren't, Mike it, but when they do we have. I think the fact that we've given so much training to foster care his inaugural anyway has caused a lot of us to go out. So I think we have maybe Neely seeks in trained false cares. Cool even more and we are time. We'll go Vern have looked at the dog. Okay. We'll he's what's going on or we can fix. They say easily owner we can't. Always Pifer China to come and have the dog and Mike an assessment and now work together with the foster care too. With our dog is appropriate for these for these world or not. So we'll usually put them through training process. I obviously sometimes in the cases of where they has been fought. So when the foster dog attach- my dog, and we had trying to come in and have look at it. And she said we'll yet he's he's the issues that are happening in. He's he's what happened, and and we to came to the conclusion that that dog wasn't safe to be out in the community, and that's not only based on behavior. But also the dog was a fence jumper. So the fact that we couldn't keep dogging that was going to make any sort of behavioral issues Hotta trait. So we'll have a we'll have a trying to come in and help the foster care in this. Whether the dog is fixable suppose, you'd say, and then we also have a committee who then saw off on euthanasia. That's where that's what I wanted to find out. So. It's not like no one person gets to that Cole on the rescue. It's a committee decision. Yeah. And how many people on that committee? Well, the main rescue committee that we have I'd side is about six or seven people. And then there's an approvals committee who the main committee will allies decide on euthanasia. So it's usually seven wounding two, and there that's a community of volunteers that just being through the rescue and have been appointed to that committee yet, but probably fairly experienced people that are doing this. Yeah. Not always a lot of dog experienced bought. They will come from the lawful a lot of policy. Experiencing thoughts are. Judgment is respected very much. Sorry. That's good. Yeah. And that airing any dirty laundry of your on rescue. Have you ever had a fracture in that community way of the Niger of a dog with some people pro and some are against if you can talk about it? Probably not usually most people were respect the fact that usually a trainer in and the foster care come together and go. Yep. Unusually because we have a community of China's without any group. So at least in Illinois and a few of us all get together. And go off saying that always well and not that it's a great idea. So we're lucky in that respect that we have Sarmi people to draw on and you talkin about some switched on people there. Absolutely. Time. We'll move the dog from the particular foster care into one of our harm. So both Illinois. Lisa do Borden train now. So sometimes they'll take the dog for a board and train just to go cable at say what it's locking different home and different harm environment. Put some training into it. And see how we go off to that. So we'll always do as much as we can obviously to avoid Asia about times we go just not not safe. We've got to go to make that decision. Now. Usually the the foster care in the trainer come to that decision together and never easy. I went to many easy. Go went to a big rescue. It wasn't a seminar. But it was. Event at Sydney, Uni many many rescues there, and they had I've never been in rescue of networking rescue about just went really to try and understand it a little bit better. And they had coined of AVI jewel. I guess for all the does that cats that they couldn't help, and it was actually really emotional. There's a low really upset people in the room that you know, like not being a part of it. When I got like, I'm at the crazy cat, lady convention lack. It's thought I was at. But then sitting in that, and I was like sort of a new respect for how hard people trying and it made me on. I think that's really why I went was to try and understand how people help people were allowing themselves to put out dogs that really should have been euthanized. And then when I got a feeling for the volume in the scale of dogs that they were spoke to one woman that told me she had personally killed like hundreds of dollars. And I think she worked at a very large. And I was like, you know, like, exactly. Was confronting. I I gave me written appreciation for when I say a dog that think fuck these stoke shouldn't be at. I could say, well, I can understand how you get to the point of putting it because you just like fuck note, another one, and if it's a borderline case, then we'll give you the benefit of the debt on your first you like, no borderline, Casey. Yeah. Sometimes it comes down to just the resources at the time. So you know, we might have dog that potentially. If we had somebody who could take that dogging into really intensive work with for month tour could really huge straw. And sometimes we just don't have those people resources, you're not or you're that person. Yeah. Gary much location thing, isn't it time. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we we've touched on quite a few times. And I think it's it's a very important message that getting back Twitty's referring to what you talked about. There's a lot of times looked and I would have probably a young guy going into those sort of things you probably mock those people inside alcohol, look at them pathetic. But they really not they had the sole kicked out of their body that people who have who really bane in the trenches on the front lines in working with this stuff, and that Bain stood on and tread on the night bang giving up on haven't had support. And I haven't had people looking after him and die themselves are in a very precarious situation. We've done a podcast on this before we've talked about people needing to take care of themselves. And this is certainly something that people within our industry need to bay more highlighted and aware of is that people within the foster caring situation within the risk you communities. They really need some checking on from Taunton that really need someone. A you encouraged to say that for people who say dropping in behavior a little bit wherein, carriage decide. Oh, my you think that that should be a message that should go for mayo community into the foster on welfare because not enough of that is done. And as I said, I'm not gonna make that she was a great friend of mine, and it was a thing. But having that light Tyco law female them when I was back there in that Tom that was a long time ago. And the fact that she highlight it was because of the the distress she saw in the never ending cycle of dogs coming in and being destroyed, and she just felt so helpless and stuff like that. That is always resonated with me like it's always been like a little bell in the distance just here in in conversation. Sometimes I'll just think, oh, that's that's resonating a little bit. Like that note that that was read out. Why back when and I think we just need to be a little bit mindful capable of that. I think will all this. If you're listening to these pocus, you're at the minimum dog enthusiast. Everybody everybody. No one's cruising. We're not flicking channels as apoe cost everybody. That's listening is involved in dog. And I think that something that I came to terms the wall ago because of being. Have had some issues we risk groups in the past. Going into too much details. I had a risky groups say that they had a dog that braid and I have a better off. Yeah. And then when I contacted them they refused to like refuse to get back to me, and the concept, it's some people that just bat shit crazy. But then it's a personal thing. I've seen some rescue groups that the concept is fantastic. It's just that the person that the helm is bad. She crazy, and that's the problem. But I think as enthusiast China's all of us and people in the industry, you have to go you have to be involved in the thing that that stood makes the hair on the back of your next hand up. So I know there's people that lay in bed at not thinking about all the dogs that need rescuing. And therefore, that's what they have to address where to go not. But you know, what I bet it keeps me awake. He's thinking about these people that have incredible dogs that had just turning food into shit like so that's where I've long you said it was way flaws. That's where I put my efforts in the industries like, and that's what I think about is people who have performance athletes that they did not allowing to perform and. Yeah. And so you have to all of this. But we're all important in the industry, I'm site like without people like me that are interested in getting the performance from dogs, then Doke SAFA just as much different SAFA. But it's it's it's still suffering that thing left to being bred for a purpose, and given, and that's what I'm obsessed with a love without going into detail and working on this resource at the moment. I'll tell you guys about it off. But it's about trying to convince the general populace to get their dogs into something like an activity that is full. They all I think these podcasts paint successful in reaching out to a lot of people doing doing with their dogs. Like, you know, the box in the mill, and and just a lot of things that we've been talking about this more more people, they're realizing, hey, that's that reminds me when we were off air before setting up. We're talking about people that Abon in the. Wrong time. And I think that's that subject to a lot of dogs at born into the wrong family will they allocate to the wrong family. They not living their true potential some people in life. They should have been avoiding or spot and or something like that. We'll talking a lot of the guys on goes in the army with would would have had far fooling laws had they been Roman gladiators. That would have died floors -ly to spend old training to kill PayPal. And then spending time killing people, and they would have been happy people. But your dead, right? It's the same. Does we've spoken about this at the time. Like if someone had if average person had RIMI Huby unionized in a kennel, oh, he'd be on Prozac bombed out he'd be he'd be a slave on. He'd be Medicated half out of his law office leap when someone's catch. Randy would be the same. But for me the dog that I've waited nine years to get sold out and went through many dogs before I found him. So it's horses for courses. And that's where I'm really that's where my passion dogs lies. That's what keeps me awake at night. It's people who have performance athletes that note allowing to perform. But it certainly don't feel for people who think about the dogs that I just don't have a family, and that is with they go that is, but we all made h other we all need each other absolutely network, work everywhere or check the story for second talking about Randy like, I've never seen that dog really relaxed these law like he doesn't even break all sleep relaxed, Braise any slave he brays like he's just run Ronald rice. And so. The whole time since he's a little puppy. He's always on the sign I had to take him to the vet the other day, and I had to tranquilize him because he entities tile. They had to look at it. And he wouldn't let him look at it because it was quite painful, and when they tranquilized him. I'd never seen that dogs. I actually thought he given him too much and he died. I had never ever sane Randy. So it pays before my lifelock. I was actually starting to go through shit just come on. But he was so painful, and he was in such a slumber state that it's just something completely foreign to what happened because I said to the vet is, okay. She said, yeah, we should be he should like these. And I said that's not normal for him. And she said that's how a normal dog should bay when they. Yeah. Said for Randy. That's not. That's not right. And she goes, well, she said, you're just got one of those hugs, and we say those dogs in pounds. And that's where we saw lucky to have places like army who take detection dogs, where we go sees that somebody in normal arm that he's a horned that you'll rescue is facilitating that type of thing because there are other rescuers or the HOGAN is Asians that are not. And I mean, the head of our dogs to go into servitude. The they have the hide, and I think it's it's very responsible. I think that the people who sitting at the head of those organizations really need to rigs Emin the whole policies and procedures to say no to adult that is potentially going to sit in a little four by to age where that dog could be running out, and that that is a dog like the people were talking before that is far better being spot or Roman century in than sitting locked up going crazy in a kennel deciding it's fight. Either the next two years or threes or four years or even euthanizing it when it could be out serving the country or helping people living fulfiled law. We've talked about him on the show the best detection dove, ever say in real life was t Pratt our pay and the nines. Byerly? They met the handlers. Message. His name was. By the best detection dog by the light is on. And he was a he was just a pound oak. And I'm pretty sure the selection process for him was they they said first of all dot com. Aggressee now that okay, I get us all those dogs put them in one area. And they just throw a tennis ball amongst the dogs and a mood with the bowl. And like take him turned out to be the best that the army's ever had. It's amazing. What you what you'll find in? The pound really some of the dogs are just amazing. They have potential potential should be exercised. If it's I mean, if the dog has been discarded and people looking for an application for that dog, then it should be given to the role should be awarded. And that's the issue like a really wound up about it. Especially after what we talk about this morning, Glenn like that that in the kennel assessment. And how we sit dogs off a success. And there's so many things at the pounds of things can do just that like my own dog this morning a little saying he's staying Glenn's 'cause we down here in. Umbro put him in the kennel. He turned around and looks at me like a weed wagging towel. And as soon as I go to shut the door flies at me and trust the boy. Like it's play. I mentioned that was these first assessments. That's the one who doesn't know the dog. And he's going to do the same thing to them. It's just a game that he likes to play. It's the as you decide to shut the door on going to jump on you shut the door. That would be dubbed the interview because he's a big powerful dog that he's notified to notify us me. Now, he's he's play while he's doing it. And it's not like he'd beat me realize my dog. But that would be the end of that would be that would be. And that's because it's just he likes to fuck around and get draws crazy in that. We lucky hearing camera we've got a employed like a I don't know what officials haughtily is. But she does enrichment and organizes all that sort of stuff for the kennels. I'm Bev, I think she's recently done with you, actually, Glenn, and she maybe it was male when so she looks after enrichment and then finding suitable so if she gets a dog in Gernon, they've Mago sus. I think she might onto mills wanting Melvin. So she provides the enrichment they run a voluntee- walking program, which is notice lot meal. But you know, it's something it gets. Amanda, their pants just as good if but it's just more time, consuming, vibrant. Yep. Yep. And a whole lot of cheese. God bless them. They try really hard. But sometimes get up sleet shit outta me. When he's working. But yeah, they they tried to do as much as they can. And in the pan is obviously different to shelters. Wells the panda working dogs running day for seven days. I'd love to say to do more flat meal top stuff, but with us several hundred million dollars you have lying around. Maybe that would be a worthwhile investment main does. Yeah. Well that is the job. That is the case. Then are really. Yeah. You right. Then you know, that that shouldn't. I'm not involved in the books, and I don't know what happens today, but I know that they run out of surplus and could afford to bossom meals with people, and at as a worldwide organization ASPCA's could probably sit up of fucking plant that manufactures mills and at the at the right that I would have the capacity to manufacture them. They could rearm every Doug with one walk marketing Powell is enough that enough people would guy. This is what we need is how much it's gonna call. Look I'm getting angry about maybe no one's approached for. Maybe if someone actually put it to them, they high grad idea, and they do it. But when we don't know. Hey, tell us about this place. So people can know where to get in contact with you. And if they're in camera. They can yeah. No way to bring the puppies to get a haircut. Yeah. Pops fun. We've got grooming salon in Fisher in Queanbeyan. We run daycare. We're not doing any training at the moment. We all got to swat having several ATF traina where all too busy doing things. So if arming out training at the moment, but we do a lot of training as pot of all the services we do. So how daycare is actually any like ten to fifteen dogs, and we do training, and he's a cool stuff throughout the day socialization and confidence building and all of dyke has taken a lot dogs. They were reactive things that who learning to lending to socialize. So. Bicyc- premises socialization creating confident resilient social dogs. Yeah. And if they want to your risk us grew. ICT rescue foster foster dogs dot org on the website have local can have a look at how our website works. Yeah. Just probably not directly to the directly on their perfect, but towards Dulles people donate what where the expenditures go to mainly that work that works. Probably the biggest. Account. Remember how much was the? But it's. The money. I think it was around the fifty thousand month. Yeah. So if it works the main one and in things like trainers. So we buy everybody that comes. We're not redoing expect trenice to give everything for free running business just like him other people. So we pay all the trainers that come so training that sort of stuff boarding, we need it might that work is the main one and no one profits from do none of the board or the or anyone get any any money. But that's not if anything else you'd short on money. Yeah. Money. Have you Himes cows destroyed? Turned upside down, but for listeners around the world sometimes on a lot of people do want to donate to adult friendly 'cause and it can be hard especially with some of those bigger organizations to. Yeah. Know, whether you're buying someone in new Ferrari, or or whether you're actually helping and weaken batch for you, you can batch for your rescued that if anybody really wants to do good for dogs and have a little bit of extra money that I would like to to give to Ugo is on an ongoing or one of or whatever, and we can, you know, encouraging. We're not saying anybody shoot or mast, but if you have extra money, and you want to know for sure that it's going to the betterment of dog summer in the world, and you guys are career to give that hape the great rescue groups in astrology away. Really really lucky. Fuck them. We're talking to you. Before we do wrap up. What to do wanna say is people? Probably listen to the podcast and say, hey, Glen, cook made it sound really glorious debate involved in rescue. And that's not always the case. There is there is very rewarding aspects to being involved in rescue as well, there's a great network of people, and there's a very good camaraderie and good collaboration of excellent people involved in these industry. And I'm fortunate enough to know a lot of people who do it like yourself and several other people who do run a very taught cheap, and they do a great service for the industry, and they wouldn't want it any otherwise some of these people just us so toilets and giving time in love and community energy to enhancing the life of dogs that other people have discarded all of us in the room guys with that sighing. We really appreciate your your your resolving somebody else's discarded an unwanted dog and giving it a loving life and giving it a very very healthy second chance, I really. I mean, if it hasn't been really made it sound horrible. But no it says much good. When you say you dogs in harm's during really all you need to make it all with it. And while the purpose of this Kostelic people like you and leagues of other people who are doing it right for unselfish motives, Pat, you on the back and say, thank you very much. It's because of you that a lot of these dogs got a second chance and a lot of people have got a new loving pit in the Highmore service industry has got a dog that's helping save the country or in various different situation. So I think a really do appreciate anything. Thinking that foster caring. It's you learn sorry March for people who up and coming trainers and things like that. You learn the theory in the f the behind this ought in the health on all that sort of stuff is just stuff of length through this is the next dog. That's the next problem in my house and go to work it out. So it's definitely as far as learning more about dogs and saying how they interact and every time I bring new dog harm. It's a learned something new. Eighties. Great for that. It's not for everybody going say every China should foster dog. But this only all sorts of different ways they can help. But it. Yeah. You do learn a lot. If if you can do it give it a go and learn how it happens gross on that some site advice. Thanks for your time. Thanks things becoming camp. You welcome me into it and paint. And there were no friends, no friend personal friends in one day guy. There is few hours. He starts it'd be the long either by the time you see this. All right. I'm gonna wrap it up. That's for another episode of the Canan paradigms as always if you like what he plays lock, right? Share? Subscribe do that through whatever subscription. So's downloaded from and doing that really helps us get the word out there. And let's more people about the show if you want to support the show the best way to do that is a patron three bucks a month. Get you access to an extra educational episode per month. And we started sneakily trickle extras to people who of a more. 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153: Keegan Smith on Environmental Dynamics in Sport, Skill Building and Human Performance | Sponsored by SimpliFaster
"It's it sounds like it's way out there as far as strength and conditioning goes. But it's a living organism that you're dealing with, like those basics of temperature lot would off, you know, movement. The, the huge an humans. We have that next layer of we need meaning in allies, and we need, we need social support. We need to be part of a tribe. No one's allow people say, they're allina I like time alone as well. But I'm you know, everybody needs to feel like an important pot of a social system and that feeling of social isolation and not being a valuable member of a community that's gonna massively negatively impact your performance if you think that being a professional athlete has no big purpose. A no, no social, you know, whatever go to train the same as, if you feel like this is my vehicle for social change. That was strength coach and founder of the real movement project, Keegan Smith speaking on the importance of social and environmental factors in athletic performance. 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I've been a big fan of Keegan's worked for a while, Keegan by the way, he is his strength coach and founder of the real movement project, which is an organization, designed to mentor in assist coaches and individuals in not only strength, but also personal growth. He also does a lot of really cool things like has his own farm. He's really into religious diverse and holistic approach at the human body. Not only training ourselves to win. And I think we just we often like train to win and kick the other teams about right? And that stand of key can take things a lot farther than that zooms out. And, and really makes us look deeply this. This thing we call strength. So a little bit more of his background as well. He's worked with premiership winning Sydney Roosters in the Australian National Rugby League along with five other professional teams. And so clearly he has reached a high level success in the sports performance world. But what makes Keegan different and this is honestly, one of the reasons the, this was one of the real big reasons, I'm like I have to get, get on the show is, Keegan spent six years sleeping on floors living in third world communities looking for solutions of how to make a difference. He has a way of looking at human performance from growth oriented perspective. And he has a huge arsenal of movements in his toolbox. Calisthenics juggling other body weight challenges Keegan is just a wise insightful and experienced individual, and I'm always looking for the show of people who can always get outside the box. I think I've mentioned this before, but it's hard to read the label when you're inside the bottle people who are outside the bottle able to tell us things they've gained from other experiences. Other. Cultures and how this all fits in this thing that we call training in sports performance. I've always said, it's, it's, you know it's cool to get people to jump a few inches, higher sprint a few tenths faster. But it's even cooler to make a really big lasting impact in people's lives, and ultimately, our community in the world we live in. And so this, this show it gets into a lot of things Keegan's gonna talk about his diverse background experiences in sports performance strength and conditioning. He's gonna share how his time away spending time in disadvantaged countries helped him to help change his philosophy on training athletes. He's going to talk about an athlete center performance model and in a high performance environment. What factors do, we look at from ecological perspective that will yield the highest performers, or the that will really allow athletes who cheat their highest potential? He's gonna talk about diversity and getting outside of the box GP. And if you've seen so my worker, see what I'm kind of like. The directions. I tend to go. I love those conversations. He's gonna talk about his thoughts on Barbara training Olympic lifting and he's also going to share a little bit about the next direction that he is heading in his own career. So again, as I always try to piece together this thing that we call strength and conditioning sports performance getting to the core of things as well as enjoying out. I think this is an awesome episode that just has a lot of really good wisdom for anyone who trains with athletes, period and anyone's who's just training in any means and looking to reach the next level in their own training, or even personal development. So that being said, let's get onto this episode one fifty three with Keegan Smith of the real movement project. How do I not kill plants and how? But yeah, so actually, I'll ask you again, ducks yet. How so what, what, so what, what is your, like so you have a far would you call it a farm or is it like you know, ecosystem like what, what would be the term for what you got going on with the, the animals, and in which you have at your spot? It has been cold Afam. I did call it a femme. I don't speak about it as much as a farm now because it's a lot less of Afam than it was. It had pigs and goats but. Do you. I mean, and that's the way to go though. Like, ultimately if you're going to isn't there, something like if you eat organic, like or if you know, or like eggs or anything like that, like probably the less the less far the food has to travel. I'm sure the better the nutrition of it all of the value of it all, and as well as, like knowing refutes, coming from like that, or what's your, what's your mix of things are you? Do you have animals? They're just like, you know, chickens or what's, what's the vibe there at the old Keegan Smith ranch ranch slash farm? So we have we have chickens. We have ducks, we have Guinea, pigs. We have rabbits and what else do we have case have case? We have God, gays the Bach, everybody black people when they come to visit. Easter now we have. Snakes and go Anna's and, and that sort of stuff that it pretty regularly, unsought Wallabies come like that little kind of kangaroos, we tend to say them pretty often at the back as well. So there's some that we, cultivate, and some that just come and visit us wild dachshund stuff that come and visit in and steal the food from the from the chickens and the dachshund that as well. So, yeah, that's, that's what we have at the moment. You obviously you've spent a good deal time a big part of what you do strength coach movement. Coach health coach. What's, what's your backer? So how did you get from? What took you basically could you describe the journey of, of strength coaching to you having the farm now? Right. Like what's been your travels and what led you to get into the field? Yeah. I mean. I grew up around sports, my father's, an RO coach. So that's basically like the NFL. So I was always around big strong guys and. I've got into field hockey through a friend and I wanted to go to the Olympics for field hockey, so spoilt was always a huge pot of my life. I didn't know what I want to do at the end of highschool, like a lot of people. So I studied exercise science because that seemed like it made the most sense to help me go to the Olympics, which is pretty much obsession at that time apart from, you know, goals and alcohol, which kind of took over every now and then as my obsessions in my light chains. But that stumbled from that, like I was told on the first day of university or very early on, like, there's no jobs in sports, or even think about that. And I was studying exercise science rather than sports. So it was mostly around old people and insurance type work. And that was really the thrust of where it was going. So I didn't really have that on the right auto. But I went into some work experience at the rugby league team that, my, my father was working with at the time and I got some experience in that environment. And because I got some experience in that environment. It just lead to some work, and I did a message deployment to try and be somewhat employable coming out of an exercise. Aunts degree where they tell you, you know, you're not going to work with anything to do with this, like you're going to be a postal trainer or you're gonna sell medical to medical sales, or something like this. So the message was like an attempt to be employable. So it's a message for them, and I've got some experiencing that environment. And yet, like that's kind of how I fell into into strength coaching, and I loved it because it was helping me to get a little bit foster. I was too slow, and too weak, and too small to play field hockey which you. Because it's a girl sport in America, and like physically I kind of, like it's not a really physically demanding athletic sport. Like a like a lot of other sports. So to be too, small and wait for that sport is like, yeah. I was really freaking smollet wake. So I fell in love with white training because I wanted to go the Olympics, and I was too small, and we can slow so that was kind of the journey, and then what can with forty guys. Those like will, you know some you guys elect ten fifteen twenty kilos heavier than me, you know, double that for pounds. But, you know you as a huge, and you lifting similar whites to me. So you probably like you probably even something on the table here. So I kind of felt like I had sunny to offer from the stock as the skinny little dude, who was lifting similar whites to the these kids. We want it to go and play, one of the most brutal sports, you know. Rugby league, which is it's kind of like NFL without the pads, but a little bit more brutal than rugby union, which you guys might have some contact with. So that's how I feel into it. But then I was just. At some stage, I needed to understand a bit more about the world. So I couldn't just stick with that strength. Coaching even though I kind of fell into some good roles with it. And I had quite a lot of experience by twenty two but I had kind of H E fate. So I didn't I didn't stick with it. But that's, that's kind of how I got started through through families where the study's through my own my own athletic goals. Yeah. I like Aliquo mansion field. Hockey is is a woman sport here in the states. And I like, but I mean, you know hockey like very you know, that's regards, more of immense sport. So just put it on the ground. I feel like I could almost view it coming up for like a tribal thing you know, let's get some sticks, and then let's do this. So Robby was like carry -able from one town to another. So I guess hockey was like Wackle from one town to another. And if someone gets in your way, just wack at this some pretty hectic fought back in the days of India. India hockey in the fifties and sixties and stuff. But it was a common wolf spoil, you know, it's part of what the English exported to the world's astray has that colonial history. And in the Lord of the colonies is this some field hockey, yet stuck around in a strike for whatever reason as a as a men's sport. We usually talk three in the world you know. So you can doesn't Olympic medal asset gives it some legitimacy. I think for those who are churning out at the podcast right now. Play a ghost feel feel clinically. No. I don't think again, gnarly man. Like I'm super intrigued. No. I don't I only have one screen so it's not like one of those live ones we can just pull up you to the table. Let's let's look at some like gnarly plays from field. Hires someone just gets laid out. Pretty good athletes. A little lot of my friends like they bogus very, very faucet. It's one of the fosters poulsbo so you can like getting pitched outing baseball. But you basically just standing there with your with your stick, and it can go anywhere, and you're gonna offend the goal, you know, sort of that's a scenario that comes up, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's brutal. Yeah, but yeah. Any, any sport when a stick is in your hands has the capacity instantly get crazy. I'm sure and then there's always obviously up the skill Antea they'll, too. So it's like a cool mixture things all the same time. Yeah. There's definitely hot hand coordination. You kinda have to specialize in quite early like it's pretty specialized like also like you know you talk about multi sport athletes versus single sport athletes, like if you wanna be a honky play you go to get into it priori and you gotta go pretty hard with, with skills, because it is so far. And like it's so different. You not just running around, and catching even. Yeah, it's, it's very specialized. So you can put a lot of time in kind of jump ahead of the guys just through hard work, work ethic. And just like handling skills. I guess is a is a huge part of the game. So that was good for me because I'm pretty obsessive conic glass. I could make a pretty big jump just putting more time than other people and I mean it's true for most sports, but not not so much like athletic. Right. Like you conscious keep putting more time in and keep getting better. I like you can't, you know, maybe boss bowl or something like that. So. Yeah. The time time on stick time on field. Like really makes a difference. I hear you. I, I like eloquent, she said to about his, like the upcoming the education of a, a strength or sports performance, professional is an interesting one. Because for me it was lilies. This was in the early too early to mid two thousands. It was kind of it's like you could do cardiac rehab, like or you could be a personal trainer. Like, I'm like I don't like I don't wanna do any of that. Like is, it's very, very interesting. And I guess. Yeah, I didn't even know what it's like now, but no I totally hear you with that. Man. I and how did you how did you get into the pro sport into things and working in pro rugby and, and can you tell tell us a little bit about your time on that? So as I sort of mentioned day, like I had to family connections. My uncle my father, my brother, all working price board says like technical coaches, not on the strength and conditioning side. But, you know, coaching sport. So I had those connections there and I was able to get work experience in from work experience, the head of strength, whether he wanted to be better friends with my dad who was employing him. Well, for whatever reason I had opportunity to continue, then, like none to knowledge is like I was was great. It was lucky to have that opportunity. And then that man, I had some experience, then I went to England quit university during my fourth year because it was like, yeah, this is this is pretty much shit like it's going around in circles. Hey like I'm enough of this environment. And so, I quit there and graduated from distract saw science. I didn't finish the rehabilitation pot because I had the cardiac rehab to finish. I didn't really want to do that. So I did the neuromuscular Rahab and I'm like, yeah I'm out of here. This is bullshit with some personal challenges. And whatever that go with that. Stage of life. But I needed a change. And so I ended up doing some message with a team that my brother was working in with in London at the time. And yes, so that was because it it's a message there. Then the next year I go to jail, there as, like an assistant strengthen conditioning coach. So that was kind of how I fell into going into roles. And then I always wanted to do more than what my role was. You know. So if my jaw was just kind of keeping on things like enough alpha was trying to run things or I was writing programs. You know, it'd be on the scope and presenting them to the coach had to strengthen interesting and Saint like what do you think about this? What do you think about that? And so, I ended up, basically running the gym of NRL team like an NFL team at twenty two because he was doing the onfield and I was doing the gym during the pre season. So, like, I was would run the programs by each other, and that sort of thing. But yeah, I was basically running the gym at that, that age and he was sort of doing more spayed and stuff on the field, and its height, annuls and is a great strength and conditioning, coach athletics background. And he really loved that on field side of. Things and kind of. Yes. So if it really well, and I had that opportunity pretty young. And I guess I got a lot of confidence, you know out of those experiences. But. It's probably my personality. Talk to extent as well. Like, kind of often think I have something good to offer, and, you know, some attended research things a little bit deeper than all the people and experience them. It'd be more deeply, then I feel like will. Yeah, this is good stuff. And even if later, I don't think it's the best stuff, what I'm doing at the time, like, I, I believe, in deeply an unexpressed that, so I think, for those reasons, I was able to work with pro athletes, some of them had many years at the top, and they played for their country. And you know, on hundreds of thousands of dollars that might millions of dollars in this sport. And I was basically, there is almost volunteer or, you know, couple of hundred bucks a week, telling them telling them, what to do, but. Yeah, might the most of those opportunities. And then I let it go for a while. Like, when I was in that role actually, I was trying to make my last kind of Ron plant any in the National Hockey team. And I played for the Australian for the state team and I was gonna. Do that again. And that sort of the only there's only a few case sites industry. So it's not like America if he's playing state than you not that far of play nationally. And so I was at that, at that I was just how to cheat I just needed to go and see the world. I had that time England, and I realized how ignorant I was when I was in England 'cause I'd go out partying, and I'd make people from all over the world, and they would speak multiple languages. And then you about a bunch of stuff and always just this kid who'd didn't really study history. And I really knew about sports, and I just had this tiny little vision of the world. And I was like, man, I need to Anita, say something here on ended understand what's going on here. And I had kind of some, some lingering anger about the system of debt and the system of education, and just, you know, it had some depression through my teens and like just angry at the system, I guess, to a logic stent listen to a lotta angry Konda rock. Which was, I think music was a lot better in those times as well. But that's probably another conversation, but I needed to go and explore something. So you back on the on the strength and conditioning there for. A wall to go and see see what the world was about. Yeah. And you know, in a second here I wanna get into basically your your strengthening conditioning philosophy. I think the way that you kind of see it and see things differently. But what you know, when you when you got away from the strengthening conditioning and kind of went explore the world. And I'm assuming like you've probably came back with the new frame on things or what was what was, what is your time that in, in that, like kind of a sabbatical, I guess, you could say teach you. I didn't I didn't see it as time off other people did when I said, like, yeah, I'm out of here, and they're like, what are you going to work? I'm not I'm not gonna welcome just going to just going to go online. Them's going to go and be with these other people and see what they things about. But. Yeah. It was it was huge like spent time with people who had a completely different history, and different reality different culture, you know, I lived in mind villages where they didn't even speak much Spanish and Spanish, it became fluent in Spanish, but then hung out, in other communities, where I spoke the languages with Spanish was on the moderately useful. I went months at a time without speaking English Twenty-one, because I was living in these villages and stuff. And that was really powerful experiences. And I think I don't think I would have been able to have the results that I've had in strength and conditioning. I probably wouldn't have even got the job that I got when I came back off the basically six years on the road. I plod for a head of head of a program head of strength and conditioning role. I've never I've never been head of a program, and it was in France with the rugby team in France. And I think I got the job largely on the basis of all that experience that I'd had, you know, the and I don't know it was a bit of a crazy appointment from that coach because I've been bouncing from project to project and everything. Things things got rough on the road. Like I just moved on somewhere for three months. And then somewhere else for six months, and, you know, some of it was kind of political projects and human know human development, kind of things, and those kinds of community based programs, and then all the times I was teaching English, and, but every time it got her off, or I just didn't know what was doing out go somewhere else, and try something else, and I kind of lost. I kind of lost belief in my ability to stick with anything because I kept doing that for flex six years, and then I got this role and it was like, will we want you to sign it to you? And I haven't been anywhere for two years for a long time, you know, how's that going to go down? I didn't know if I just lost half the as season and then be takeoff pack, my bag and head back to Latin America. I like I really didn't know if I was going to be able to, to handle the environment and stick it out know. So I guess that it was a good thing. Like, when you're not sure if you can handle it, and there's another challenge. They're like, that's probably a good sign that. You know that's what you need to do. And had some real pain on the road, like it's tough like the social isolation and that sort of thing, and I got involved in some stuff that was pretty heavy. And you know. Yeah. Those, those really, really tense situations things that came up in a bicycle decided like the political revolution saw things was probably not gonna be hell I was going to help the world. And that was what I was trying to figure out like, what am I going to do in the world? Like what impact can I have? At some point, it was like this is a kill Opie killed environment. I are the starting this, and do that all go back to something that's around health and performance, and that sort of thing, but I did leave, you know, that political environment or that, you know, that environment that Bainian on the road to, to come back to movement. But I didn't label that stuff behind. I haven't left all that stuff like that still still clear and present all the things that I saw all the all the kids with, with no shoes and no families and things because of the political situations, that had been in their countries and the nitrous that global economic system at the moment and stuff, like I felt the pain of that, and it's still always paying the pitcher. And I guess that's probably why didn't settle back in strength and conditioning had four years full-time. And then I was like, yeah, I need to to go back to the other side a little bit. You know. So that's. Yeah. That's what I've been doing the last the last five years, the your, your experiences, a world traveler, huge respect for that. Man. I think somebody us live in our own bubble for our whole lives and never get outside of it. And so one of the with having all that, though, and, and taking these breaks and bringing it all back. How is that changed your philosophy and how to train train a human being from a a strength? A physical standpoint. Yeah. I mean. Econ-. Yeah. All your experiences formula. Right. So, like I often want to understand if I'm going to employ coach or if I'm speaking to someone about where the headed like I wanted to how many brothers and sisters, I have, like if you're the first child, that's a different experience. If you're the second child with third child, and, you know, all those kinds of things like they influenced who you're going to be as as coach likened. I think all that the travel like, when I know someone's travel or on your that they grew up in a multicultural upbringing, if they speak, two languages, or those kinds of things like that those people are going to be different coaches to stars that have had a con of Mona. Upbringing lacking in one culture, and what's the thing? So like the human side is definitely relevant. But even zooming out from that, like, what is in, what does an organism need to thrive? Like you know that a plant or a tree, you know, can can either be strong or it can be wake? And, and what are the factors that are going to influence that I think, is in strength and conditioning? Like it's so easy to get lost in under the electron microscope that you've forget, what you're looking at you looking at a living organism and a living, organism has certain basic requirements, even beyond like thinking of someone as a human is often too zoomed in, like think about the requirements of a plant, and you might start to actually be able to get better results with people like you know, that a plant needs lot. But how many strength and conditioning coaches considered a lot as a factor in their programs. You know, and it's becoming clearer that we need lot. We need natural lot like fluorescent lot is doing damage to health. Red light exposure is emerging as a technique because which is not getting exposed to. Full spectrum of light too much blue lot isn't having a massive negative impact on on hormones, and stress, and those sorts of thing, so, like zooming out, and dealing with things on that bicyc- level, soil, soil, for us is what's in the, you know, but, you know, for plant soil is so important, but then people wanna say which just about macro as well. Is it just about microbes for plant? Like can you just put anything around plant, and it's going to be fine like no. They need a specific soil set like anyone who understands plants deeply and wants to make noise plants flower that have a very specific strategy around compost, and so a composition and sand and all these sorts of things. So it sounds like it's way out there as far as strength and conditioning goes. But it's a living organism that you're dealing with those basics of temperature lot. Would, you know movement, the, the huge and then humans we have that next layer of we need meaning in allies, and we need, we need social support. We need to be part of a tribe. No one's alone people say they're alone. I like time. Alone as well. But I'm you know, everybody needs to feel like an important pot of a social system and that feeling of social isolation and not being a valuable member of a community that's gonna massively negatively impact your performance if you think that being a professional athlete has no big bigger purpose and no social. You know, whatever, you know, go to train, the same as, if you feel like this is my vehicle for social change. Like this is how impact the world like this is how for Australia's indigenous culture, Australia. I don't know if you know anything about trying to digits culture, but the difference in life expectancy between water strategies known indigenous, strains and indigenous Australians is the biggest difference of anywhere in the world. So these people are expected to live to fifty so the health outcomes for indigenous Australians, strangely poll? So some indigenous Australians, like the also tend to be phenomenal athletes, like have some some amazing genetics. And it's relatively recently. That they've gone into this captivity environment that we live in the western world where we've creditably boxes and things to live in basically like our own little zoo, that we live in. It's relatively recent that they've gone into the zoo so they have more genetic momentum. And they have, you know, the power of their ancestors you understand, like animal husbandry, like this, this genetic momentum. So you don't pick the run of the leader to be the sire of your next racehorse or if you breeding dogs and stuff like they understand genetic momentum and generation to generation matters. So if you look at it from that perspective as indigenous athletes, have they have momentum with that sort of thing, but some of them can find meaning of, like, I really want to give hope to the kids where I grew up because this, you know pretty rough third world. Taught living conditions. And a tough economic system to come into for a lot of kids, so they can derive a bit more of that meaning than this whole new world of athlete development awaiting them, you know, and so it sounds like I'm not answering the question. But I, I am answering your question like this is this is where strengthening conditioning needs to stop, like the level of a living organism, the level of human psychology, and human sake. And I think the best coaches doing this, whether they outsource some of the stuff around blood testing and fly out hacking up stuff, or they the athletes, psychology, and that's the thing like I was like prep Bartholomew like a sore. I haven't been massively into the extra stuff and whatever stories post about being anorexic as a kid, I was like fuck now it makes sense like this guy has been through some serious pain. And he's going to he's going to get with athletes on a level that most coaches cock, yet with them on, you know, and that's. Part of the reason why he's been one of the most impactful guys, I guess in strengthening conditioning. So, yeah. On that big picture stuff is, I guess, signing that excites me, and I feel as if you just get that stuff. Right. Then strengthening conditionings frigging easy if you help it to be like a basic, thriving, organism that has the neurotransmitters, working that has energy that has just doing what on autism is meant to do humans meant to do. And then they actually derive meaning from their practice then pretty much any practice is gonna look, you can do a lot of different things with that sort of person, and they're going to be pretty damn good. Because it just, you know, the fought the driven that balanced on a basic level, but then, yeah, I do love the zoomed in stuff as well. It's not that I you know that. You know that I love the nuts and bolts of lifting weights and building skills. And so forget to that level. You know, the philosophy is like my ability skill full insurance. So on each of those levels, as ethic going in building them up, so well positions, can I get into range of motion is a huge, huge thing as lots of different ways to look at it from experience, like most athletes, darn have the range of motion that they need to have, you know, top speed and acceleration to get those things. Right. They've got heavy legs because they're just so so taught especially in rugby's feel that I've primarily worked in, then God's will Everley specialize in their all. So if you're one hundred ten kilo to two hundred thirty two hundred forty pound taught guy, and you playing rugby league then often their role as a kid because they're always the big kid. He's just like catch the bowl and just go and run IVA blocks. But in the sport of rugby rugby league you, can, you can have a lot more to your? Game like you can everyone can possible. So everyone is kind of the quarterback and everyone can consider of have footwork and play for roles. So giving them a bit more of a multi spoil athlete training environment like helping them to build some some other skills, whether it's juggling, whether it's learning it back some soul, whether it's doing a handstand every couple of weeks, any of those sorts of things that kinda get the thinking. We'll like I can I can actually learn you shit hit. So why don't I do this with my game as well? Like what an ad left would step as well as rot footstep to my game. What am I work on being able to possible live of five maters, rather than just possible, every three Mehta's you know, so I because I had that background of my family being heavily involved in rugby league coaching like a had a bit of more of an opportunity to blend and conditioning, but then also get out on the field. Like I was the Spade coach as well. But I would do sports specific spayed and. Not in, not in a funky sense, but actually do the movements that are in the game. And get them better is moving so than you had a evade the in front of them will defend the player in front of them, who is using footwork, and really trying to get that blend of putting the physical traits into their performance. But then continue to expand their performance. That was that's what I believe in. And that's, that's what I've seen work. You know, like the, the teams that I worked with had good results, and the coaches that I've worked with had some, some good results as well. So I'm always trying to expand and refine the philosophy. You know there's. I mean this you got to go by the results by Szekely. So. Now. That's, that's a good thing. Gonna keep going further. You're listening to the just live performance podcast brought to you by simply faster. Yeah. Those those a lot in one in one shot man. I mean that was like the whole book that could have been like three books that you just said there in an awesome way. I love it. I actually I want to come back to what you're saying before with. I because I have been hung up on, you know, how do you make like just be a better human? Right. Is, is something that course lesson jurors said that stuck with me that I really liked? But I like that use them that out even more to just even an organism in general, and talking about just things like, like, I think about is if an athlete is a plant, right? And you just take them through the normal day and everything they get like that wouldn't be very that would yield a very healthy plant, you know, like like with, with, like you said, like artificial light and those types of things, and I know that, you know, it's pretty well known that if you want to be a good sprinter, or while we're the best sprinters in the United States here, will there in Florida, Texas, and California with a three like hottest like really hot states or where there's just a good temperature and sprint culture, too. It's like that's why it's from that skin color, you know, the paper with Dhaka skin, but, you know, the sun is a big part of that, like getting that getting that lot explosion. It's a higher intensity law. And you. With you. Shut off more often, and it's no it's no mistake that those things are happening like even just tolerance to training volume as well. It was going to go up if you getting light exposure, riot, you know, so the yeah, it's such a, it's such even thing in Texas, the state of Texas here in the United States, would I, I'm not sure what I think of the populations like maybe thirty million. I'm not sure compared to, you know, the three hundred and some million that live in the, the rest of the country. But if you look at like the top this always blows me away. If I look like the top four by two hundred marks of of track and field for high school, Texas, almost always has all ten all tenor, and that is just like the and the culture of just blows me away. And I've and I've even heard people talk about even in track and field like. As opposed to distance like a good like the best sprint coaches are usually, it's you have to have an incredible culture to be heavy. Good sprint like power program. Whereas distance running is a little bit more of an individual sports still important, but it's not as important as or but the Bulgarian weightlifters throw wellness training hall. And let's you know, we hate the Russians and let's throw down. And, and I, I'm just glad you mentioned that because you as you were talking, I was thinking about, there was a little, there was a little screen shot that I had on my desktop for a really long time. I'm not sure if it's still on there. I don't want to check right now because I'm gonna Mesler my I got my screens in front of all good. But like it was Logan, Christopher who's been a guest on this show before, at I read this, like a year ago, and I had on my desktop forever, and I hope to actually get Logan back to chat about it. And he has awesome book called like it's like a on a nature in the natural way of things, but it was based like this, his pyramid of strength. And Logan is a an amateur, strongman. And if you look at it. Instagram. He's always like doing crazy stuff with, like old school strength, lists like bent presses and, and Turkish gaps with barbells and various things. But a he had a pyramid. And it was he had the different layers at what was the foundation of your strength, and the foundation for him a psychology, like your mindset that was, that's the base that, that's more important that comes before anything else, and he also does a lot of hypnosis stuff, and, and I think rightly so. And it's like I if I've learned anything through a coach, there being a coach, like sometimes I felt like with particular athletes, like I could have administered that strength program better with fine tuning their sets and reps. And maybe they went to hard, some days, maybe, you know, but the, the result in their head all along, they knew exactly what they want in the culture was gonna push them there. You know, like and on my last talk of max eight to talking about, like Adam Nelson, shot-putter, I think former American record holder, just doing like these dumb workouts, like ten sets ten squat bench, everything in the terrible for physiology, but he's still an awesome. You know like. Anyway. So I'm glad you brought that up because I think that so much of this field is important to zoom out to the appropriate level to see everything I before us Uhm in, because always just get stuck like I'm sure you know that very well from you all your travels in everything. You, you concentrate. So I called you from physiology. So it's, you know yourself if you break up with a girlfriend or something, you know, when you're when your kid and look you feel your strength is just gone. And you drained know even when people get sick when the immune system like it's often around stress. You know someone someone is in the family or you know something's going on and then someone they get they get sick and it's you know. Yeah. You concept for the to whether whether psychology is the foundation of the pyramid, or is it really hard to have good psychology. If you, if you don't have the right fats coming into the body, if you put someone you know, if you put someone solitary confinement, but you give them self development stuff to listen to, and you give them a horrendous diet. And they're in the Dhakal day, you know. I guess this college is going to keep them alive. Like if you listen to stuff like man's search for meaning and some of the most horrendous things that people have been through. Yes, I called you. Maybe is, is the primary. But then. It's very, very hard to keep your shit together, and nine environment versus if you're getting that optimal physiological environment than how easy is it to be in that positive psychological head space and a probably feel like in most guys now if I'm honest, like I work mentor in God's, and the percentage of guys that have like a suicide all attempted suicide all filling a lot about suicide kind of story that because we tell stories like potted thing that we did. And so many people have that many people have that in the in the thing, and it's like I think a little bit much challenge with, with my brain and with, you know, do I want to do this life thing was because I wasn't getting my diet, right? Like because I wasn't I didn't understand these foundations and fundamentals and spending too much time in front of screens, and those sorts of things, but always like going low, fat to try to be an athlete, because athletes, donate fat. You know, that was what I learned from the sports nutritionists. And I was punching a bunch of sugar and stuff, because that's what. That's what you need to do have energy. And then I was all messed up, you know, like, oh, I was messed up as a kid, and then I was drinking a lot because obviously, that's what you have to do to be coal. And you know I didn't feel comfortable being around goes unless I was drunk. So obviously, you're, you know, you want to exploit sexuality, and you light teens and early twenties. And that's the thing. So like all that stuff was going on. And you know it made life. Really hot. And if you think about what can we junior athletes like that's the context that they living in? So if they get all that stuff wrong, you could have the smartest sets and reps and period is everything to attain. E you're not gonna win like you know, can, you know going to Iraq, you're not serving that athlete even like. So if you can create culturally grant environment where you're cool, like, everyone has fun. Everyone's respected everyone plays at role and they don't you know, if you can have that feeling amongst your group and a culture where there's not so much self harm not so so much drug and alcohol abuse and anti inflammatory abuse, and sleepers and all of that stuff. You know, not just relying on antibiotics if you get sick and, you know. You know, all of those things can play a huge role in Cape in the psychology on track as vote, you know, it's like chicken or the egg, you have to deal with it all. And that's why some people feel as some people criticize me for going outside of the scope. But if you don't deal with who is like, you conscious say, some, let's outsource this, like, we have this mentality and in twenty century, like everyone you have to be a specialist in signing to deal with it. But if no one else is going to deal with it, then you know, you need to do you know like if you can build a team and you feel that, that person's nailing that role than cool. But it's, it's also extremely problematic in one strength and conditioning to have someone for everything, you know, you have a Spade coach nutritionist and a strength coach and physiotherapist and array specialist and kicking coach and tackling coach. And so in, in the end is just one athlete like this is a concept that the, the head coach that I've worked with. And I'm trying to and Robinson. The great coach and his coach that I worked with over those four years, but he's like, there's one athlete here. So we, we need to deal with that one athlete like, oh, you guys wanna do your thing with this person. But in the end, it's one person that has to integrate everything that we're giving that person, you know, so if everyone's fighting for their pace of impact, you know, then that athletes being pulled from all over the place you know, it's, it's one athlete in the middle of this thing, and they have to make sense of all of the stimulus. Plus what's going on in their personal life? That, you know, having a load of coaches can be hotter, in a sense than, you know, if you if you just be less less team members is probably better. I imagine you probably dealt with by slides that over there as well. Like, sometimes you probably the mind, man, and all the times it's probably hates the people trying to run things is a the I was you were talking. I was kinda just had this philosophical thought in my own head like it is, it's like how does does things tend to become a lot more personalized, the more coaches and specialist star in the whole high-performance, you know. Umbrella. I guess you could say, like hi, this high performance model where it's like there's a coach for this, and this, and this, and this does that would that create a tendency towards the de personalization and you think about, like, well, I just know this, like I, I know back when I was only track coach at a smaller division, three school where, you know, I was I was the guy for everything, like how was this? I was the track coach, I was the strength coach. I was I didn't have a nutritious life. Yeah. Yeah, I just twenty six oh shit and so much in a lot of stuff like I mean especially the culture and nutrition in that, basically, I didn't know any of that stuff. I've been catching up on all that blast ten years, but like. But at the same time, though I felt like it is much easier you definitely lose. What is it? They say it's about like government, or any, any organization, any entity that the more people, there are in at the more employs, you have you will fundamentally lose efficiency, like large government. You know, we can play all the government, of course going off track. But it's all related. Right. Like so. Yeah. It's the same concept. You, you just get us going to come back to it. And so I do think that I mean you know, for a lot of we'd have a choice. We're just in the role. We are. But it does the the bottom line is, as you were talking. I think about like this is I think a big reason that I was attract coach. I'm in a string strengthening edition industry. But it's like this is a service industry in the sense of like it's like you, if your team wins if it's like basketball like, you know, and your team won the national championship like the strength coaches and the first person like pointing the fingers and himself like, oh, look at me like I look at all. I got these guys arms or something, how would shape they are that. No. Like it's like the, you have an impact no doubt. But this is a service industry at its heart, but, but as you're speaking about, like that service factor is a crucial aspect in performance because how you serve an athlete. It's like y- you, if you could serve an athlete in those roles I think that whatever your scope is, you know, whatever fits within the, the. The context of what you can do. And but and it was funny to reading like conscious coaching. You know, it's just like I, I read about somebody's coaches, like, like, in the high school sector, who had just like having just tremendous impacts personally on these athletes will make shoot man like these guys are killing it like this is like, this is almost the hidden me of that, like that relationship that these guys, just talking about how profound a relationship these sports before an strength coaches, how with their athletes, and I'm like, man, you guys have been really good job. So, yeah, long winded. But I do think that it's a it's, it's really cool to take that zoom out. And then it's like not only yes, this is a service industry, but that service is gonna also help with performance at the end of the day at it will come back around to you. It's not just like design the most killer training program. Look at how killer my training program, plus and now these guys did this a lot more to it than that. Yeah. Good stuff. That's cool shoot. I'm like, I'm like, where we're we're we're on these questions here, but no. Okay. So, yeah. I think that, that obviously that being like the base layer. I but I appreciate Keegan. How it use get right to it, man. Like you just like bam. Straight shooter, and we're like a lot of times it's like you can there's like a lot of don't know, view say, like, like small talk, and like people like I love how you get right at the heart of these issues and things and just shows that you've clearly spent a lot of time having going through the impact of all this trauma best than. Yeah. Definitely being thinking about this stuff for a long time, thinking about how movement fits into context of society and. Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of back and forth going on of how how this stuff can work and how can make an impact on the world. And you have to ultimately, you have to be really good at their craft and the fundamentals of helping athletes to win. Otherwise, it doesn't matter about wanting to help the world and help things to be better like a lot of people young guys that are speak to, especially, you know, they want to, they want to make an impact on the world. Like they wanna make a difference. They wanna laid people that want to help people feel better in themselves, and be healthier and all sorts of things. But if they haven't developed the tools, if you don't have those specifics of details and systems and things that are going to get that result. And you don't get to play the game at a significant level. You know you'd like you, you work with someone who lives in your neighborhood, who wants that result. But if you can't help them to do that, then you don't get to keep working with with them. And they don't refer other people to like you want to change the world like you go to you go to have some stuff that you really good at, you know. So. And so, that's I guess why of gone so hard with juggling and teaching myself, you know, weightlifting and teaching myself to do back somersaults, and all this stuff, because they like at least symbols of all this guy, this guy gives a shit to an extent. And you might be you might be putting energy in their own direction or a might be the right direction. But like he's definitely having a go at something. So, you know, like I'll, I'll do a seventy five still ate meat on for months at a time or whatever it is to try and be, who I wanna be like that's. Opening up the possibility of going to another level. And if that's not going to be the tool for the person who's thinking about, you know, working with me or whatever they can at least, say, well, that this is having a guy this serious, and that's probably impove the reason why being able to have some impact on some, some coaches here in strider and, you know, a few around the world, and I feel like I'm always the biggest limiting factor on the people that I work with, like, if honestly like I feel like if I can jump half. I'm a little bit lane. I I'm a little bit stronger than everyone who I work with will get pulled in that direction as well, like by boils most by culture. So you know, it's kind of a little pressure to put on yourself and do put that pressure on the people that I work with. And some sometimes that unlock it, but I guess it's pressure but it's also opportunity. I like what else are you going to, like, I say, you know, the time time's gonna pass like, what are you going to have to show for it? Like are you building something in your life that you didn't? Have before that you have now, you know, like I think it's such a shame for days to be passing where you don't really know what you building, you know, and only building the thing that you're comfortable, with, like, so, you know, may feel it's jumping and those kind of fundamental if that was the only thing you're developing, then you don't really chesting a conference on. You're not really, you know, you're not going to be fundamentally different in a few years by refining the things that you could up. You do have to play your strengths and get better at those things like double down on your strengths and Charlie Francis. Had has a saying about that, right? Like continue to build your strength. I don't know what the woods one is. But yeah, I think what you're saying. I the I don't remember the exact thing he said particularly right now. Yeah. But then on the other side like I really believe in doing something that you didn't use to in, like, for example, stock applaud cost, you know, go out who's a strength and conditioning coach like if you've gone outside, he compensated with that, and on so many people really love you put costs and they respect your cost, and told some people that I'm coming on this in our. Well, he's at this guy on this cone. Now, I listen to your podcast and listened to you speak to Dan John know like some of these laws that Christian typically like these guys are heroes for me. I was reading them when I'm in my early twenties like never written a blog at never presented event a belly bench, you know, two hundred twenty pounds. And that's when I was listening to these guys and reading that books and now you know, it's cool to be on this podcast. But it's only because you decided, you know, you go out of your Audi conference on and sort of what if what if you call it, like what if it works and you know, that's why. I think if I get someone to five bowl juggle, I can probably get them to do just about anything can get them to do a sixty second handstand stand, like does sixty second STAN improve your your, you know, your ability to do anything to be a better athlete like directly note, but the growth mindset and the persistence that goes with that, and the self doubt and the challenges and the little niggling injuries and things like complete adding something completely new to your repertoire as an adult something so many adults don't do like the being a lifelong learner is such a thing like almost regardless of the skill now. I do believe all the skills that I choose the ones that I believe have a deep impact, whether it's learning memorizing quotes all memorizing, deca, Qods, or playing guitar picking up a learning a musical instrument. I think they all have great other I've laughed. But even if they didn't like, that's something that we need to. Do it, it does disappointment about strengthening conditioning, sometimes when people want to bait down, and like just hold the potty line like research based evidence based, and it's like all that's like most. That's tough is partly wrong like, we don't know which pot it is. But for sure in ten twenty years, you guys are going to be saying, like, oh, we completely missed the point on half of this stuff, you know. And that's, that's what I feel is, is, is such a valuable thing is like to continue to, to go outside of, you know what the, the norm is. And just see what happens when you're out. I fundamental fundamentalist fee. They'll a lot of truth there. Man, I and I love the direction this conversation is headed 'cause I we'll hear some stuff, like I if people like watch my Instagram they see me doing some sprints, implies and stuff. And maybe once in a blue moon a little lifting except I do lift. But I think what people don't see what I don't suppose props to you for posting it but, like the skill stuff because I actually do I do skill work. Like when I was in high school. I did break, I just wanted to learn how to break dance. So I'm trying to get in the car out in my backyard. I'm trying to flares and I'm trying to do, and I learned to do windmills and spit on my head, and my mom hated it. When I spun on my sugar break your neck. And but I'll tell you what. Like I had the story like I the highest I jumped off one foot in highschool school for a longtime pie until I was a seven foot high jumper. Three years later was off of a break dancing, stint. And I think now a David Weck said, always be coiling like working that coaling engine. But it wasn't I just had I had to get outside what I was doing little bit. And yes, I know like the. Undertook specificity period. I get that. Absolutely. But I'm the more I learn about just like you call GP I think that we as humans fundamentally are capable of a lot more than we think we are. I just see GPS a series of unlocking those things, but, like even thirty in the weight room. I have, you know, an intern I I've watched and like I was watching like clearance. Kennedy, who's pretty well known on Instagram, and I hadn't even seen the guy seven or eight years is from seven eight years is really strong kid from Ireland and he's like, I don't know jerking, like three eighty and he's like, seventeen I don't know what now all of a sudden I see him like holy cow. That guy's got a lot bigger lot stronger. And he can trees tricking abilities. Unbelievable. I'm like, watch cleaned. Five hundred and do like this crazy kick flip. And then everyone knows ju JI move, like I want to learn how to trick that looks fun like you know, and I and but I would have it no other way. I like I like still trying to overhaul and refined jumping. And I've had to because, like I had Killys problems that started my mid to late twenties. And like I couldn't just do the. Same thing over and over again, because I couldn't my kids wouldn't. So I had to like overhaul over thing I was doing and figure it out, again from the ground up, and, and, but that's fun. But, you know, it tricking and break dancing is fun, too, like it's all it's all getting out of your comfort zone. So you can come back around and see things a little bit differently the next time and yeah, we're, we're also much better for it. Yup. Yeah. I think that's so vibe, what you're saying. They like specificity is definitely a thing and you need to ten thousand hours, you need to just refined and refined and refined and just do so much of whatever you want to be really good up if you specifically if you wanna compete in a sport that on the other side equation if you lose your ability to be human. If you lose your -bility to move in multiple directions you become fragile and you pay. We'll, we'll be low and this is something that a lot of people have expressed, but. Make sense that you break, dancing, you know, when you will break dancing a lot and you had this huge foundation of athletic stuff, and just moving your body really quickly, you would amazing spatial awareness and control of every limb. And every. Those sorts of things and constant low level, ply metrics, you balance just would have an amazing, it, it makes sense. That, that's a nice little supplement to jumping would now. How heavily would you be criticized? If you introduced break-dancing into you'll jumping program, you know what I mean? Like it's, it's. Yeah. You love like it's ridiculous. Like, Joseph Coyne did that when he was working with the Chinese Long John Poos. Would you would they have kicked him out of the country probably, but would they have jumped ten five? Ten centimeters further with have been slightly more engaged with the with the with their feigned some of the benefit there from going slightly outside the box or is it all about you're staying one hundred percent on that specificity? I don't believe it is like I done, think you can get to the Paik of physical performance. Overly specify bike budgets, staying very, very much within what you what you already tramonte to. And you say this example, over and over again. Like I love Eshelman story. I'm not really an NFL fan but I got into red elements bulk and hearing his story, how hot he's had to fight literally fighting his teammates and all that sort of stuff. But like doing hasten heaps of extra handle coordination, things like that just shows like, yeah. This guy this guy gets it. That if you can catch five hundred bowls will five thousand bowls day than a little bowls that are coming off a wall. Then when you've got that big goal coming at you. And you only get to practice how many catches you get into practice of an NFL his running route. So whatever, like, maybe gets twenty bowls. Fifty one hundred goals whatever gets he's not getting five thousand balls in a session, no matter what where you, can, you can juggle, or you can throw balls against the wall. You can do these things, and you can get five thousand bulls in a session, you know what I mean. Like who's going to be a better athlete like the guy who gets fifty balls day or the going gets five thousand dollars a day, like it's, it's pretty simple. But, but I don't think many people looking at it from this perspective. And, you know, I like that some people are, and it's great that you, you know, you're re exploring some of those things in looking at it from a from a different perspective. And yeah the, the stupidity feel about it. The more you should probably do it like, yeah. Comfortable about it to start with, you know what I mean, like, and it's like social media kind of homogenized as you as well. Like, you know, your perception, you probably find if you posted so you break down stuff, maybe should do this. If you post it. Probably actually light up people would probably be all I ever, just like cool, gopher cut, you know. But yeah, like China soda bay the same person over and over again. Like, and I'll get criticized for it as well as like well before you like you doing begging type stuff and you'll fostering, and you, you know, you vegetarian and you totally stuff and NATO don't carnival diet, like Dr do that. I'd like people want to put you in a box, and just leave you there. But it's like, well no, I'm going to, you know, if I'm a performance go, or if I'm someone who's trying to optimize the human experience. Then I need to need to know what that's like, like, does that stuff work. Or how do you feel when you do that? And it's kind of answering the same question for me. It's on the same philosophy. But to other people slack. Join him to weightlifting now you don't have to gymnastics like why? Have you turned you back on what you believe in? It's like no, I believe, in, I believe in movement, I believe in experimentation, I believe in being physical. It's the same game. It just looks different to you. It looks like I'm changing teams and changing alliances and you can't put me in that box that I used to ban, but you know, that's it's not we shouldn't stay nice boxes. And we touched on Joe Rogan you're chatting before the podcast, but I think that's one of the reasons he saw lockable is that like a drinks but he's into human optimization his a comedian. But he has some of the most important serious political conversations that, that can be had. He he's, he's a fighter and he combs sites on the fighting. But then he has this depth care and love for humanity like this as like he's playing at the extremes. He's going in all sorts of different directions with these life like hunting as well. And but he because he's got all these different facets to himself. And he's not he's not trying to bay, this obey the whatever go, I like people trying to be this nation thing, and they just still a human, and then they lose their ability, and that's, that's not good for anything. So good for branding. It's no good for, like humanity. It's no good for paying to be lucky. I'm going to be the one thing. I like them going to be the food guy. And then you just forget about everything else, that's in your life. Like I don't think that's cod. Live your best life that way. And that's the same with aesthete's. Like all this just an athlete. I'm an athlete. We'll know your human like what's your philosophy? What do you understand about stoicism? And what do you understand about, you know, dealer for the day? Like all have you know think about those things. And by the time you get a conclusion, you'll be a better athlete because you've got a bit of foundation to go at things from the it's, it's what you were just saying what we're talking about this is kind of, like I mean, if you look at it this, you could look at a strength coaches a GP coach. I've heard that term before. And, and I will say this to the break like, well, I will start with this is Carmen pod. Guests a little while ago was just talking about how important it was for confidence in athletes, and he him and some people have like the PR Bill and the weight room, which is always for I think it's usually like a lift. But unlike what if the PR bell was for learning a new movement skill and who's to I just think about, as long as I've been in this? Now, I've been training since I was basically ten or eleven and I'm thirty five now and to me, I my, my gains, are lit when I learned something new and inflow, like it's those two things, and I'm not saying like be in the break dancing like I'm not gonna break dance my way to a world record. It will help ignite something new in the system, ultimately training. The corps train needs to be the specific things you need to do in the ten thousand hours. Yes. But like I was I was training with Mike selenium is going to be on the show. Here are his his OB coming out here soon. And he you know, he he's got an awesome flow base breathing based way of working out with just the most simple equipment. But he makes. It. So it's constantly energy is constantly revolving, being recycled, and you there is an element where you have to learn it and keep up with it. But it's like just that learning process and being engaging your body in a in a new way in a way that maybe you didn't realize you could move and it's just like your reignited with all this energy, and it's, it's almost like, the, you know, the core of your sports always going to be the core of your sport. And you have to get that in, but it's as long as we're doing GP like the ability to learn and get new capacities. I just think is crucial and I learned more about that. The longer I've been in this field. So I, I liked what you mentioned as like if you can do this skill, you know that giving you confidence as well, as I think we just tend to peg it as you lifted you put a ten pound clean PR. Oh, cool. You know, but like maybe for some people, maybe there, what gives them more confidence is learning a new movement skill or something. They didn't think they could do like you hold a hand for X amount of time, or I don't think it has to be limited to. A barbell lift. I think it's important. I think that's good. If an athlete can hit a barbell lifting get competence, for no doubt. But I think it's, it's more than just that. A lotta people reject it on face value. Like I don't wanna let a headset. I don't want to juggle, I don't want whatever this isn't relevant to my journey, but I'm yet to see someone improve in that have a win and not have a small, and if so not have some, some belief that comes out of it, like it's I think it's very night that when we learn something you when a new suck it kind of clicks in place like that's joy. And even when the puck is like when you finish with someone and you feel like yeah. That went well, like there's a buzz that comes out of that, like, humans with designed to, to learn you things like, we have this fricken, massive, brain, just repeating the same thing I've ever get, like there's a joint repeating the same thing over and over again. But then there's also a joy in like ooh. That was a novel experience like that, that lead me up. I was very engaged. And. Yeah. People need that experience like athletes owned on athletes with a lot of commercial facilities. And sometimes. Having a hundred and fifty kilo three thirty pound post and come in. If you can start teaching them, handstands, you may be the first coach that actually gets to them, you know, chances are they've probably already tried a bunch of different diets. They've tried getting on the treadmill that try to everything that is no more to lose weight. And people tell them, you know, it, let's move mall. And if they've come by the time they come to you, they've probably tried a bunch of that stuff. If you can get them excited about, hey, look, if you listen to me, if we work together on this within twelve months, we don't pants stint like that might be the ticket, where they just go, you like I'm going on a whole different like I'm buying into this. And then okay, what on its eight to get that handstand all into trying to win wanted to get to bed. If I'm gonna hit that handstand like igniting that other kind of dream and, and we go to pursue a goal, like humans a goal seeking organisms, or if we don't have a goal, then we're not going to be happy. We're not going to be healthy. And yes, sometimes, that's that Nate. It needs to be an ace to be novel. And that can really be the catalyst for body body, composition transformation as much as it doesn't handstands on a great body transformation tool. But if they get your change your mindset and get you engaged with will need to be I needed to lose off of my body weight to be able to do this, you know, then then that's the that's the ticket. You know what I mean? So. Yeah, there's that novel approach. But I mean, we should probably talk a little bit about the specific side as well, because people will be you have to do that, too. Right. So yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I k- I keep getting back to that, too. It's like you can't juggle your way to like voting, you know, Olympic champion the tour of your dad's like first, sir. But I totally like I as you were talking to, like, I, I mean, yes, like, you know, we have the and I'm a firm believer in that period of the boundary, Chuck pyramid. The more, you know, even just the last podcast, Maxine I'm just talking about how even taking squats too far if your competition is the clean, and jerk, because you need to really refine the technical elements of what you're doing so critical on, but I do like and I'm starting to do this myself, it's like it's like you give athletes weights and they get a lot of gains from all the benefits that come the year. The inner muscular coordination, the nervous system, increased muscle mass confidence, you know, all those things. But at some point those gains that, that. Curve of gains is going to start to Peter out. But then it's like, okay you could either try to painstakingly put thirty more pounds on lift when lifting your sport or you can learn a new skill. That's bodyweight anyways, right? Like at a lot of my kids like the I have like for so many teams I have, like three lifting groups. I have like an endurance like if you're an endurance swimmer something I have a higher up group of middle of the road group in a sprinter group. And so my kids in the, the endurance group who I have there for a reason they want to be in, like the middle group that was heavier weights and more stuff. And I'm like, okay, you need to do X amount of shoulder taps before I'm gonna let you in that group. You know, like like a basically like twenty more pounds in your squad isn't the point of view being better at your sports. So like at least show me, you can do this. I that's more gymnastic. It's like if you're going to strive for something and really go out of your way to get something in weightlifting is in your sport. I do think the gymnastics presenting that as a challenge as a confidence boost. I think there's a ton of merit there. So I guess that's probably right on with what you're saying. Yeah. I think there's there's, there's definitely like if the. Getting those you know that, that those winds bigger foundation lists the things. But then there is that so I like working with rugby. You are against another human. So there is no kind of ceiling to it like, it's it is a continually increasing false battle. And the players now compared to ten years ago twenty years ago like every decade there's more force in the game. And then knocking each other out, you know, like crazy and it's brutal sport. But it you know that's a lot of it exists. So you, you know, you always want to be improving right if lost element and absolutely false in these athletes, if well, it doesn't always have to be the priority. But if it's improving and all the things that equal yet getting you making them better. So that was a huge focus as well. Like, I'm a big believer in weightlifting. As as much as specificity says cleans, and snatches and such on necessarily what team sport athletes needs to be doing. Mizen results with got and I feel as the carry over that I was getting from having those guys hitting betta whites on this notches and it cleans the specificity of that peak false and just really being able to accelerate that external objects and being able to receive that external object strongly because people make the argument for just pulling the whites. I don't think that, that poss- file on basically throwing and catching, I think it was throwing and catching bobbins like very few people would disagree with throwing medicine bowls. But how the hell do you get hold on one hundred twenty one hundred forty kilo medicine bowl. I'd like that things not going to move fast. If you turn that into a Bob L something that's easy to grip. These guys can throw and catch that thing, right? So they're throwing and catching goes up to one hundred fifty three thirty pound cleans though. I feel like base like everyone on the field becomes lot. If you can throw and catch three hundred thirty pounds, then relatively, it's not the same challenge. And when it comes to move in your own body, weight, if you're able to accelerate one hundred kilos of head quickly, then you not going to feel that same challenge. You know, have come in the initial of your bloody or or an opponent. So I was a belief they play in improving right at false development. Improving absolute full us a lack I lack have. Pasha. I like the bandit work as well. If you want to get into more controversies, everything everyone else heights. I love. No. But like the like the west side stuff, like I, you know, I think bands and chains definitely have their place like they encourage mole. Right. A false development and. What can hotter at lockout? You know that stuff is is very good for sports is not necessarily, what pal if does need to, to be honest. I don't care what powerlifters need to do that much. I'm not working with, with powerlifters, but that end of end range strength, which is a what the lockout in a bench press show, you know, becomes about that Enron strength. Like that's what you're going to be fending off an opposing player like, that's that's money. That's K FOSS, and that last bit of hip extension and the last bit of knee extension like that's, that's where the game's going to be one a law. So if you can load that part of the movement up a little bit more than, you know, it's going to it's going to have more. So, you know. I'm a huge fan of focusing on the central nervous system aspect of the sport in the gym. I'm not really a fan of trying to mimic movements. And to an extent you might think that contradicts, like some of the Bundy, Chuck stuff, and Bausch, and all these guys. But. You know, they need to practice this sport. They need to produce a lot of false. And in the practice this bull law. And I think that's ultimately, what bondage, I guess, too, because you get to throw all the time, you do get to practice your spoiled a lot. If I can give them more power. So this more electricity, leaving the brain to go to the muscles, because that thing works, really, well, because it's well nourished, because it's been in the good lighting and all those things. But if that battery is supercharged, and it can put out massive amounts of false, and it doesn't drain to the point where they feel like they need to go sleep after a few hours of training a diet because of the food that putting in there and everything, if we can supercharge that battery and have it able to put out lightning bolts of power, then when they have to do that on the field they do that. You know what I mean? So a think that, that side of things people can get lost as well. I love the Dan, John. The simplicity of some of the things that he talks about, if I great results with easy strength, like it's the stupidest program in the world. It's two sets a five on three exercises. And then sometimes I didn't even do the didn't do the kettlebells swings or the app staff, like those kind of, but you didn't get crazy strong on that sort of stuff and. Yeah. Like that. That's a lot of teaching people to produce a lot of false and produce that full quickly like that, that is a is a massive massive gift. The other side is then that you need to have healthy joints like you need to, if you'll play play the most games, if they practice the most, if they have laced injuries like then you, you're gonna win more games too. So we use the least number of players both years that we won the regular season, using the least, number of plays, it's not necessarily coming down to who produces the most force it does to an extent. If you play a team of twelve year olds against a team of fifteen year olds twelve year olds are going to have a lot of injuries. So you want be those fifteen year old. So I think we did monster load all the teams are like what the hell are you guys doing? Like you just brutally strong. But then the other side of the question if you can train that range of motion and have really healthy tissues through length, and I think that was a huge part of the Pollock influence is like that bodybuilding side to strengthen conditioning which again some people really want to reject like the Bosh approach kind of, rejects that bodybuilding side of strengthening muscled through the full range of motion. Shen and using you you'll bodybuilding top trending or your strength training as my -bility training as building range of motion through the joints. You can create incredibly resilient athletes with that. If you pay all this stuff together together with nutrition, all those sorts of things, then you can create extremely resilient athletes. And that's that's alternately the goal like put them on the field often, and have them produce the most amount of false and. Amazing good. Good things can happen on the on the other side of that. You're listening to the just live performance podcast brought to you by simply faster. Yeah. No, I, I think for sure the strength. Links stuff Leo had just had been Patrick on than Charles polo Quinn, and even got me thinking with Ross Jeff step aside do with him. He was talking about just just working in muscle through the full range, and then obviously a million times the extreme isos and dislike I, I realized more and more that you must have full range, general work in the program somewhere and only weak. Links must be addressed. And I think that we don't we don't pay that it's credit hopefully it makes a comeback. Right. Pendulums swing. So hopefully that that's coming back. It's almost like maybe the, the last decade, like, you know, the train the nervous system nervous system. I party, a lot of neuromuscular stuff has been the rage, and that's a good thing. Yes, we need to do that. But it's like he also need to be injury. Proved and, and I also think that you also need to, like iron L those mostly compensations that come with working working the show. Links a lot. So, but I, I like Kiko, you said to about, like just getting the brain to output, get a bigger battery, get the brain output, more power. And in some ways, that's where my definition of strength has gone. I know we don't have a ton of time left. I'd like to ask you. So I'd like to ask you this what what direction you headed now. And why? And so just tell us a little bit more about what's what's happening with Keegan Smith. Now direction your headed and what you're what you're what you're up to where you where you going right now. Appreciate the question, Joel. And thanks for having me on. Yeah. I appreciate this opportunity to speak with you be looking forward to it for a while. When you first asked me about coming on the podcast. I, honestly didn't really know where I was going, and that's why I didn't come on because lack woman who am I wasn't going to talk about? Like I was going through a bit of that, that one of those times. And I think if we're honest, we all go through those times, there are times when you just not spot on about what direction is and have, you know where things are headed. And the idea of coming onto a podcast with a, you know, big listenership and someone that you respect like I wasn't ready to do that. And, you know, today, I was you saw to come onto this because I am clear about, you know, where I'm headed and what, what impact, I'm going to have. And you know. I appreciate the opportunity to, to do this. So, basically for me now, it's about helping more coaches to really value, what they do and understand the role that they have in the world. There are so many people in the world today, who live in bodies that they don't want to be in, like they, they don't they don't wanna be fat. They don't wanna be having blood sugar, and your transmitters all over the place where they feel like shit. Depression rights. You know, the amount of people that are on those sort of medications and payment occasions, the amount of paper with a base ity, and chronic inflammation. Like, we're, we're in a time of, of an interesting time in a time of crisis, and I believe, and the statistics and the scientists that have back that up that strength is one of the best gifts that you can give to those people like if you can help someone to feel and be strong and powerful than living from a different place, a different perspective like you're going to change the physiology. And when you change the physiology, you change the psychology, I'm a huge fan of Tony Robbins, and personal development. We spoke about that before the show. I love giving people a concrete experience. Like there is no question. You couldn't juggle. Now you can juggle. You couldn't lift that white. Now you can lift that way. You a fat now. You not fat. There's, there's no doubting that experience like he can hypnotize the shit out of someone. But if they have online metabolic issues, yet to an extent. You can change that stuff with the subconscious mind. But why don't we just change it in the concrete in the physical, let them walk around the world as a different person? And that's where great things are going to happen. Loveless to join Peterson and most things around. You know, the power of the individual, let's, let's power up individuals like let's give people a body that they can be proud of and loft that they can be proud of. And we know that strength is, is one of the greatest gifts. We know the skill and giving them being able to do what you couldn't do before. So that's, that's the journey as is getting people on that. How do you do that? We'll I decided when I left in our L on decided, I'm going to work with coaches because there's a multiplier effect in that. If I can help. A thousand coaches then I can probably help. A million people can definitely help ten thousand or one hundred thousand people if I can help one thousand coaches and so worked with probably two hundred three hundred coaches, you know, since two thousand four eight quite closely. And then obviously, you know, lots more at a distance through the wonderful world of social media and blogging. And that sort of thing, but I want to help with I want to help more coaches, I want to help and go to another level and primarily the difference between real movement, and everything else that's out there is that I'm really on the journey with you. And I'm transparent about that within the community like I'm going off to this stuff the same way that I expect you to, and I want you to, and I expect you to like I want you to do things that you couldn't do before most courses you go to the coast. And then you pay money, and then that's it like it's it's over. That's I'm not interested in that all of my courses have an accountability components with them in an ongoing learning component to them in a community component. So we created a pretty strong. Little cult down here in straightaway. In every city does a group of people might some strong decisions about who they want to pay and where they want to go, and they hang out and train with each other and, and go to another level lack. That's, that's what excites me. I fell out of love with it a little bit because a helped over seventy new facilities to open a stray, like private strength and conditioning type of facilities and a few of us as as well. But then the conscious goal from through there on thing as, as young miles do and as everyone does, like, and I was like. And I was like freak, like this is not really having a multiplier effect like these coaches are all helping people. And it's cool, what they've done, and it's cold, that a lot of them have gone from, Johnny from not believing in themselves at all and not knowing what they can do in the world. And, you know, maybe having some of those Dave Salk, logical challenges challenges that go on in society, and they're in places, and they're doing better things, but there's no going anywhere. You know, like so I fell out of love with it, and I couldn't couldn't do it. So I stopped doing it. It was really a challenge around the business model challenge around, like how we keep these people together because these people always value each other, they obviously lock each other. They obviously going to have more impact on the world if they stay connected to each other. And if we do some collective marketing know. You know, then we can have an impact. So basically, I've put that stuff of come up with some better solutions on the business models of how, how we can be more of a collective, and how we can have that sort of multiplier and community effect. So yeah, I'm rolling out level one level, two level three real movement, and its teaching people how to coach how to get strong themselves how to implement these different lost factors and all the things that we're talking about, like this is the how element I think that's what people wanna know now, like there's a lot of wind what I think a lot of people know that the world needs to change, and they want to make an impact. But it's like how do I do that? You know, and that's, that's what I want to give with this, this level, one two, and three and have these people bay connected to each other powerful, you know, this powerful face to face experiences, as well as some launched off. So I'm really excited about offering that and linking facilities to each other, like say the cross fit world. That's probably the biggest exam. Of a social movement, that comes out of physical movement. That supplies the that inspires me a lot. You know, I like I really love the fact that Glassman's taking on big soda, and those sorts of things like he's a man on a mission. And his mission is very different to, to kind of crossfield games. And a lot of what people say there. Personally, I don't like doing cross fit and whatever. But that kind of thing of, like helping to create a community of people that, that changed the world. And that, that really believe in something that live boss set of values. Like that's what excites me. Like, that's, that's kind of where I was going. So I was on that political side of things. And, and, you know raiding a lotta shag Vara learning about what happened in Cuba. And, and learning a little Latin American politics, and what happened in Russia, and what, you know, how did America get to be the way it is. And letting all that stuff is like okay, like there's all these political systems and social systems. And then on the other side is like okay there's all this stuff of how to get people in great shape, how to get them. You know, look really good and feeling really good. And being able to do lots of things that I didn't think I could do. Now, it's like you know what? Trump trying to solve lots of that stuff come together to change the world. In the way, that I believe in changing it or at least offering this other philosophy and system of living to people, and then they can make make. One of up, but everyone's got a system of living mostly. It's what your parents did. Well, the school system. Taught you plus a few other influences. Like what you might to what your friends do. I don't think those systems have been very well full through. I think that's just as it is on for humans to thrive. And I think that it's really clear from the statistics that we need to shift that stuff. I love that Rogan and those people having that conversation will, I want to I want to participate in that conversation with a practical solution, like I don't just want to be someone who's putting out, you know, political ideas or whatever criticize him from the sidelines practically. How do we solve this? Like, in the there are communities of fifty one hundred people in a bunch of cities around a stray. These facilities have set themselves up, and they doing things differently like these people live very differently to the average Australian citizen because the learning all these different things and I ate differently. They bought things at the shop by different things at the show up. They think about educating children differently like this is this is the dream for me. Jal is like going deeper in on that impact. And so this is the level one to three is, I guess the toll, and it will continue to, to evolve. But. It's the, the mission as they pretty clear for pretty long time like sleeping on flaws in Mexico. Little villages like on your this is what I wanted to do. I just didn't have any power to do it. I didn't know how it was going to happen. But now, I sort of feel like this, this something there. And I think there's a lot of people out there who look in full, some other people that can link hands with to, to do something in the world. Like. Sometimes that stuff goes to sleep because we just saw busy chasing tiles to pay the bills and, and look after ourselves. But ultimately, like you go kids kids like the world, they're gonna grow up in the world that, that we that we create. So how's it going to change the world's changed so much the last ten years, the world has changed so much like twenty years, like think about, you know, when you got your first fine, and when you first started going on the internet, and that stuff, it's changed so much. So it's going to change so much in the next ten years, but how is it going to change? You know, if if Rogan and also we have our way like it's gonna be a time of, you know, warrior, people king people people who. Clear about their journey and clear about, you know, not being not being push his in being, you know, being physically strong immensely strong being lifelong learners, and we have the opportunity to live this renaissance period, like this is what humanity has been working for, for a long time to get to a stage where we can put a lot of energy into positive stuff, and we communists in the boat with it at the moment, this districts would tell us life expectancy is decreasing in the US because because of suicides because of drug overdoses, like, that's not how it's meant to go down. Like we we're in the this time of opportunity. What are we, what are we going to do with it? So, that's, that's my goal is work with coaches and expand expand a law Sophy build systems, solve problems and link up with all the people who, who are on this kind of mission, so that I can keep my own head straight more consistently to, to have the impact, I wanna have not pay one of those, you know, no bail the negative side of that. Like I think we all have we all know we have the tenant. The possibility to be amazing and powerful and be great. We also have the possibility to be stuck in our head and paralyzed and not get don't get much done. So. Yeah. Doing this stuff like being on this mission, definitely get out of bed better, h die, and helping all the people to have that thing to get out of bed age die four and, and be better full, like that's, that's the thing, pretty long answered job. But this is that's why I wanted to be on the podcast now because I'm I'm really clear about this stuff, and I know it works. Just putting it together, and it's, it's fun. It's a challenge. Yeah. Yeah. Changing the world is no no light task. So it's putting together the vision the dream, but keep on doing it. We will change the world. It's just the scale every like you change your child's life and you changed those assets that you work with lifelock. You can get lost in yellow all like he's talking crazy talk because he's you know, I do want. Billions of people to change for the better in the way that they want to change like people on fat seek nearly dead because they want to be that way because they haven't been instructed and brought into habits that help them to live in, in a different way. You know what I mean? So we're all we're all doing that. We all play in a potluck that thing of insignificance like all the politicians that I make the choices like that stuff is. Their influences less and less and, and politicians, know that. And big takeaway, they know that their influences fighting like the influence now is PayPal at Rogan and just pay. Listen to their friends on social media, like that's the influence. So everyone has so much more responsibility to live well, and truly on us, be bay the best like it can sound like of -ly daunting in ugly out the away thing. But, you know, you're doing it. How many people's lives have impacted with these cost like, if, if you're listening to this podcast and Joel's impact on your life, you should send him a message and tell him how this podcast is impacted they left because I guarantee you, there's heaps of people out there who like this thing really changed my life. Like when I heard that interview, I'm going to this one, and then I started this thing because I saw Joel was doing it. You, you like we're all doing it. I think onto playing our own significance takes away from our, meaning and it takes away from how well, we live, like athletes, if you will LeBron James, how would you treat yourself? Like if you will make the money LeBron James making, how would you sleep? How would you eight? You know. And they're like, oh, yeah. I'll do this, this and that will he did it before. He got the money like. So just do it like through the thing now. And more money will come mole pal. We'll come. Right. So if you were the most important man in the world, Mr. Joel Smith. Like if you were the president of the world, if you were the president United States or if you were the most influential men in strength and conditioning like how would you go about your business, you know, and boy imagining that for yourself and giving yourself permission to bay imaginative and just step into a couple of ideas that you think about that, like, oh, yeah, I'd probably do this. I'd probably try and a little bit hotter. I'd probably, you know. Rate, a bit more of that, or let's spend some I'd like answering those questions like. That's what we do is real movement. And. Yes. Dr going rugged. Yeah. No. It's this this opportunity. Definitely been a blessing. And it's, it's a lot of awesome coaches into my left such as yourself. But that's, that's all the time I have for the show for today, gigging. But man so much wisdom, and so much experience on your end. So still still have you. Thanks. Thanks for being on champion. All right. That does it for another show. Thank you for tuning in with us today. Appreciate listen. If you could drop us a rating review an I tunes, totally be stoked about that. You know, should say that in the pre roll. But for some reason I save it till the end. And my, my blueberry host says that a lot of people to not right after the episode is over. So I probably should put that the beginning anyways, totally be stoked if you left us or review preferably five stars, but whatever you feel this podcast is doing. Let us know. And it totally appreciate that our sponsors, simply faster dot com. Supplies of high end training technology. 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