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Floatplane Pain (April 2020)
"Heo Pa presents never again. True pilots stories from the World. Generally aviation in this episode a multiday cross country in in a neglected derelict. Floatplane what could go wrong. Find Out in floatplane pain by Pat Heseltine. As with most bad decisions this one started with good intentions in nineteen eighty one. I was a twenty four year old pilot in amp mechanic with more than a thousand hours logged including six hundred dusting crops we owned beach musketeer but wanted something more versatile. A friend told us about a Cessna. One eighty five on straight floats. That was up for auction in New Iberia Louisiana the heart of Cajun country and a world away from our home in Washington. It was taxiing across the water. When across win tip the wing and left it floating upside down. There was no structural damage. So the airplane was flushed with freshwater a new starter. Magnet does and sparkplugs were installed in the engine pickled with fresh oil but the insurance company wanted sold. We bid fifteen thousand dollars sight unseen and one clearly. We paid too much too young pilot friends and I took a commercial jet to Louisiana in March and drove to Pelican Aviation's ramp where the airplane was sitting. It was structurally sound but a pathetic looking. Derelict was swampy orange and white paint. After sitting for months the cow flaps and controls frozen the sagging headliner was full of mud. The instruments were all half full of water and it needed a manifold gauge fuel flow gauge airspeed indicator tachometer and alternator at this point. It's worth noting. A large body of medical research says the brain is fully developed by age. Twenty five but emotional. Maturity is different. A two thousand thirteen British study reported. Women don't reach full emotional maturity until age. Thirty two men take an additional eleven years to reach emotional maturity. Perhaps that and our meager budget helps explain some of our decisions for instance to prepare the airplane for flying more than two thousand five hundred miles over four days. We visited the local auto parts store and purchase a Stewart Warner oil pressure gauge connected to the engine and hung it outside the airplanes glove compartment. We borrowed installed an old tachometer and manifold pressure gauge from assessment tools trusting work. But we didn't replace the broken compass and the radio was intermittent topping off this. Air Nautical Stack of Jenga blocks. We replaced the alternator with one from a car. That component lasted about five minutes into our first flight. Meaning we had to remove the heavy battery every afternoon and then find someone with a charger for an overnight boost. Only one of the three of us not. I had any floatplane time. Amir seven hours in a Piper j three cub. That was seven hours more than he had spent in assessment. One eighty five. A storm was rolling in the day. We were ready to depart. So we were in a rush to take off despite the twenty. Not Cross wind ripping across our aquatic runway which was really a drainage ditch one of the veteran charter pilots who landed as we were heading out past us. Were the days look and said my God. I hope I never have to do that again. We looked at each other and seemed to share the same thought. We're just taking off not landing. Shortly after liftoff. Our pilot asked for a heading to Houston. I said it should be on the map. Okay he said. GimMe the map. The problem was all our charts. Were back in Pelicans office. We had a robust debate which included the charter pilots comments about his landing but decided to land the guy in the office. Said I can't believe you came back after our legs. Quick shaking we took off again and headed west with our maps which we soon discovered were expired and featured some floatplane facilities that were out of business. We might've been more concerned except it felt like the tail was coming off because the airplane was vibrating. In-flight intermittently looking out a side window. I saw a shadow on one of the floats that showed a brace violently moving up and down also. The stall warning continually sounded like a distant whistle. Fortunately both were easy to fix during our first landing when we reached Houston without a Functional Radio. We'd circles at the far end of the field anticipating a light signal from the tower since our sixty gallon tanks only provided three and a half hours of flying time. And we were running low. We finally decided to land naturally the tower phone down when we landed and asked why we never contacted them. I explain what happened and got off easy but I suspect many people we met felt the sooner we were out of their airspace. The better the first evening we landed on a lake north of Dallas heading north. The next morning we landed in drainage canals ponds and rivers figuring out how to get ABG gas as we went sometimes fuel trucks would drive to where we were other times. Ferried fuel and a half a dozen five gallon containers. We carried in the airplane. Our final destination was yanked in South Dakota which has an Army Corps of Engineers facility on Lake Yanked in near the Nebraska border after landing tied the airplane to a dock sitting by itself inside a compound surrounded by hurricane fence after scaling that fence like Spiderman. We walked into town and got a room so I could plan the final fifteen hundred miles of our journey. I called my cousin. Three hundred miles north in mobridge South Dakota and said we should see him around lunchtime. Great he said before asking how we would land a float plane on the Missouri River. When it was iced-over granted this was one thousand. Nine hundred eighty one and whether information was harder to get but I should have made a few calls before leaving Washington earlier in the week and checked out in route conditions. We decided to return home by commercial jet and come back when the ice was gone before leaving acton we jumped the fence again near some no trespassing. Signs and a half. A dozen corps of Engineers truck soon arrived after explaining our predicament. They let us leave the airplane tied to the dock with our promise to be back soon. Three weeks later the pilot and I returned with my dad and his musketeer. We cruise two hundred miles to fort. Pierre when the Cessnas fuel pump quit working that required us to pull. The pump walked to a farmer's home in the dark and then visit the local crop duster to rebuild the pump in his shop. When we finished it was held together with baling wire and duct tape but worked well enough to start the engine several more times and get us safely home. The one eighty five eventually was refurbished. It is now flying in Alaska. There's an old motto. All's well that ends well but like many broad statements. It requires some qualifiers despite having lots of diverse experiences pilots and mechanics. We were ill prepared for this adventure if someone has concerns. It's a good idea to speak up while slowing down the pace. It's also a lot safer and less stressful solving problems on the ground than in the air the never again podcast is brought to you monthly by. Ao Pa the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. You can find more never again stories online at Ao Pa Dot Org by tight big never again into the search box while you're there check out. Alpa's mobile flight planning APP Heo. 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01-17-20 Reindeer and caribou
"Welcome doc into native America calling from Studio Forty nine in Albuquerque. I'm Tara Gatewood. Reindeer and Caribou are both important to which in and Samis among other tribes in northern climates. The animals are both wild and domesticated. You might not be able to tell the difference by looking since reindeer and Caribou or the same species but there are differences. We'll learn what those are coming up. We'll also hear about their cultural connections to indigenous nations. Join us as we talk about. Caribou reindeer right after national native news This is National Native News Antonio Gonzalez representatives from several tribal governments in the northern plains hoped the Great Sioux Nation Address unifies. Oh shetty shot choline. Once again. The historic meeting took place in Fort. Pierre South Dakota as Leigh stroup Injure reports before tribes tribes in the northern plains were split up into reservations Rosebud Sioux Tribal Chairman Rodney Bordeaux says the tribes would counsel together in the past. It was a strong on coalition of Lakota Dakota and Kota tribes he says but this will deal chetty shock. The reunification of that will just make a stronger in terms terms of getting what we need to get done. Serving Our peoples and making making us. The LAKOTA DAKOTA NOCCO strong nation again. And it's possible so we laid the groundwork for it again. I know a lot of my ancestors that have gone before me. I always wanted to do this so I'm just playing a small apartment and making this happen it's going to happen. Representatives from tribal governments within the states of south and North Dakota and Montana all attended a lot of the issues brought up by different representatives were similar from infrastructure to human trafficking the infiltration of math and the shortfalls of healthcare treaty rights were also a central topic. Lower Brule Sioux tribal chairman. Boyd Cornell was first elected to that tribal council in nineteen eighty seven. Seven he says he's never seen unity as it exists now. But you know I. I just don't like it when they put us in situations where we're at a constant on struggle just a survival own reservations where we don't have time to do overdo now unified. That's what we need and that's what we need to What we need me to do? Moving forward South Dakota state. Lawmakers say they'd like to meet with tribal representatives again to discuss how the state and tribes can work together unleashed drooping And Fort Pierre. Multiple agencies are continuing to search for missing native American teen from South Central Montana even through frigid good weather. Olivia rheingold has more a multi agency. Search team looked for SELENA. Shelly Faye not afraid around the interstate. Ninety eastbound rest stop between harden and billings Wednesday big Horn County undersheriff. Mike Fuss and about twenty five other law enforcement officers searched for lead starting at eight. Am when the high was one and degree. Fahrenheit as you get out there walking. Yeah I thought you know I you warm up pretty quick so And I think the journal on of of Hoping Open you're GonNa find her and she's going to pop up and say hi tea or something you know. Sixteen year old. Not Afraid was last seen at the fly creek rest area on I ninety on New Year's afternoon and a search began that evening. That was fifteen days ago now. Multiple agencies on the federal state and local levels are involved including the big Horn County Anti Sheriff's office and the Bureau of Indian affairs. The bureau of land management joined the search this week a Montana. Sheriff recently called not afraid. Disappearance suspicious is looking in nature. Big Horn County undersheriff. Fuss says volunteers from the communities started their search New Year's Day and went home either Monday or Tuesday. As temperature's pitcher lowered towards zero and below fuss says he worked at twenty eight hour day after not afraid was reported missing. He says his office is investigating five or four four other cases including the disappearance of hub Williamson a native American man. Who went missing last April has been? She's been our priority. I mean we need to find her. I says he's hopeful. His agency and others will find not afraid on Wednesday. US Senator Jon Tester sent a letter urging the FBI and Blah to step up their investigation investigation and asked for an update for not afraid family and local communities. I'm elevator reingold in billings Montana and demand Tony. Gonzalez Hollis and national native news is produced by Colonic Broadcast Corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting. Like the circle of life. There is an opportunity that comes around every ten years a chance to participate and lead our our voice be heard it lets others know who we are and where we are. The twenty twenty cents will be our opportunity to shape our future future for generations to come shape our future start here. Learn more at twenty twenty senses dot Gov paid for by the US Census Bureau native voice one the native American radio network. This is native America. Calling I'm Tara Gate would did you know reindeer in Caribou. Aren't the same species. They both grow unique antlers have for and their noses and large four toed feet for easier walking on Snow Oh the main difference is reindeer domesticated. They're also typically shorter and stockier than their wild caribou cousins. In this hour we're talking about Oh Caribou and reindeer. They're important to many tribes including the Wichian Inuit N. Saami many of whom still rely on them for subsistence tints and Caribou and reindeer are not only a food source but a foundation of culture some tribes are in a struggle to protect wild. Caribou herds from the efforts of land and resource development in Alaska and elsewhere will hear a lot more about Caribou and reindeer from the people who alongside them Today but we're also also ready for your calls. What do you know about Caribou? Do you have any questions about their biology. We're ready for those questions. Go ahead and dial in one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is number. That's also one eight hundred nine nine native and right now we're going to start off in Palmer Alaska My pleasure to say Hello A to Nick Lima and he is a Wildlife Research biologist with Alaska Department of fish and game. Nick thank you for being here with us. Welcome I'd Tara. Thanks for having me and so the big question. What is the difference between Caribou and reindeer? I spouted off couple of facts but go ahead and educate us. Yeah so primarily You know the the major difference between Care Boone Rangers domestication so reindeer you know have been domesticated for I think like five to seven thousand years and just a little bit about What we call Caribou so in North America we you know? We're basically refer refer to Caribou as the wild species in reindeer as domesticated species in Europe. You know Scandinavian countries and Russia. They're all called reindeer reindeer so over there it's just kinda domesticated reindeer wild reindeer So and then you you kinda hit kind of the major kind of lay way. They look different. Yep Reindeer typically a little shorter shorter legs stouter which I guess they say might be as a result of domestication they just they typically are more sedentary than the Wild Caribou because just there you know as far as being herded and domesticated. It's not optimal to have your animals. Walking hundred hundred miles away from me. So they're typically kept in a more localized area so they'd migrate less and they typically. Yeah they're or just a little stouter so Reindeer have a higher body fat to muscle ratio than Caribou. So that makes them a little. Bit stouter They also have thicker her and denser for which is also thought to be somewhat of a result of domestication since They can't really walk away from in poor weather. Conditions super cold weather conditions. So they've just kind of Adjusted to grow a little bit of thicker hair Let's see so so reindeer bulls or A little bit smaller than capable 's and reindeer cows generally way about the same The breeding season for reindeer is a bit earlier about mid mid April mid to late April on Alaska and Caribous about mid to late May Yeah that's that's about the the main differences and What about there is turning blue in in the winter? You know what I haven't Your producer asked me about that and I just I haven't come across that. I know I've seen some stuff where they are having ability not to see an ultra violet. Light in you know in the wintertime. That would help them. Kind of follow or Find Lake and resources but I I can't speak to that about having Evan Blue Eyes Captured Handle Ray Caribou in the fall and the spring and I. I have not seen that. So I'M GONNA be interested in that fact actively looking that up. Yeah well we are talking reindeer Caribou any thoughts one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is the number number in sonic seeing that they are. You know walking different paths so to say What happens when they mix? Are there people in Alaska who are concerned with herds. Words mixing with Caribou. Yeah I think you know the biggest Issue would be for the reindeer herders themselves you know and we you know the The CARIBOU herds in certain areas have Very pretty vast distances between their summer and winter ranges so they migrate long distances and in those cases you know they can come into area if there's area where there's reindeer They can kinda swamp the local populations and I know that's that's just a concern turns so as those Caribou leave You know at the end of the season there to walk to their other seasonal habitats. Some of those reindeer might just walk off if with them so That would just be concerned for reindeer. Herders is losing their animals to the wild animals as far as interbreeding you know we do. It's it we do have You know genetic evidence that Caribou and reindeer of interbred and Alaska. It seems to be a fairly small proportion of the heard. Or you know small amount of that genetic hybridization in the Caribou herd so it population wise. We really don't see see it as much of a concern for wild. Caribou populations Like I say I think it would just be primarily for the herders themselves about potentially losing their animals in about how many Caribou are we talking about in Alaska there about seven hundred and fifty thousand care in Alaska right now. Yeah well. I'm pretty significant in relation. Dear well there in the deer family so They're kind of a cousin from them. So there you know also other animals in the deer family and Moose and elk and so they're about You know related to a dear. They might be related to most. You know they're kinda cousin then but Yeah they're all in the deer family in so nick. Any other facts about them you know we see their antlers. We know they can handle the cold Anything anything else you WANNA share. Yeah I mean they're just you know very well adapted to moving and living in cold environments and you know they're really adaptable to many environments. But you know so. They have their the large concave hooves that help them walk over. You know snow and ice in the wintertime. Those who've the hoof edges hard and quite a bit so it helps them kind of cut into the heart paks snow and ice that they're walking over those Big Hooves would also so help them for swimming Caribou Ju. They are very comfortable in the Water Crossing Lakes rivers and And occasionally you know they go out into areas of water to avoid predators so they you know they're they're very good swimmers their hooves certainly help propel them in the water but There for which is really they have a kind of under Willie under hair for but they but they're guard hairs. which is what you see when you're looking at a Caribou Their hollow follow and so they have kind of dense hollow guard hairs and so that really pre traps air and I'm so that provides a lot of warmth during the winter but also provide a good flotation anytime there in the water Let's see you know highly adaptable the variety of vegetation throughout the year here So yeah I mean or just pretty well adapted to living in Arctic and Arctic environments in. So what about the cultural side side of this. Maybe you and I share some thoughts about Caribou call in right now. One eight hundred nine six two eight four eight Is the number. You can ask your questions Or even share some of those cultural aspects one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. Let's take a call we've got Michael in Hemas Pueblo. New Mexico calling calling in today. I think tuned into him. Michael you there so yeah welcome. Yeah I have a question I heard that During Christmas time the reindeer bullets don't have antlers in this Females I was wondering if that was true or not right Nikko head well I I've I've heard that multiple times and I'm GonNa be a little bit of a stick in the mud on that one because So we handle a lot of Caribou. Do you know throughout the year of known ages every everything and I and I can tell you so Certainly the large bulls the large antler mature bulls that are involved in the breeding reading activities in September and October. Shortly after breeding. They will drop their antlers so Definitely They don't have antlers during Christmas time. But the cows and the Bulls will so They will the younger bulls in the cows. They'll keep their antlers on till the following spring You know March coach April time and So that's not. We can't rule out that there's not some young males in what Santa's reindeer all right there. Are you go Michael. Thanks for dialing in. Share your thoughts to one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight right now. We are going to go to innovate in northwest US territories in Canada. We have Loyd binder here with us. He is a reindeer herder and he is inuit from a new vic region in he is also also Sumy from Norway pleasure to have him here. Lloyd welcome Good Morning. Good Morning. Good Day to you and Lloyd just starting off when you think of reindeer you heard Our gentleman out of Alaska talking about to some of the biology of these animals in would you like to say. What do they mean to you? What do reindeer mean? Well I think in addition to confidence uninstalled Alaska there from an a very good summary. I must say that One thing I would pick up on his the behavioral aspect and that's really the big difference for reindeer herders is that Reindeer have been bred to be more. Amenable is easier to handle and they will tend to be fairly Faithful to migration pattern and and so basically the hurting part is good. Encourage them to keep particular Great Migration route summer and winter to summer Graham from winter range. Now other the other point I was thinking of was with the interbreeding there there's College don't usually successfully burst hybrid Ranger Caribou because because of the difference in size awesome the Catholic. Die Your birth and and the mother The other thing is that Without her here after eighty five years of Hanley we've We've been Faithfully Calling Oh daily Hybrid Bridge and with that many years. You really get to know a lot in gladiator. 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Today we are talking about Caribou and reindeer and they have a lot of cultural importance in the Arctic and sub Arctic and are sometimes tied very closely to the identity of the people including Wichian. And so me and so. We're going to get deeper into that but we also are asking. What do they mean to you? Your culture your nation. Give us a call at one. Eight hundred nine six two eight four eight also one eight hundred nine nine native and hello again to our guests. Lloyd binder in Inuit And Sami Reindeer herder. He joins US US today from INUVIK in Northwest Territories. Canada Loyd Thanks again for being here with us in your sharing some initial thoughts about Reindeer what they mean to you anything else. You want to add. Go ahead. Well I guess the the biggest feature I'd like the point here is that It's a mutual adaptation of humans and Ranger in that one has to allow for certain natural my when Leghari cycle with the with the reindeer so It it. It's not what it boils down to is that they're not all that easily ranch And there there are health issues that arise when they're confined to much so so that's a major Point to consider senator so now the hurting part Any hunter of Caribou can fairly easily learn how to herd reindeer but it's It's the husbandry skills that are Features of Saami hurting tradition is that there's a fair body of knowledge and skills to To to breed and train ranger to Deal with Health Issues Q.. Animals for particular it features so that your Your heard is An optimal shape insult Loyd. What happens when you you are hurting? And and I know it's a lifetime process being alongside The reindeer but but what is a cycle look like and you spoke of Migration Gratien. I saw some video footage of that and it is so amazing to see so many of them together moving They almost look like water flowing over the land and so talk to me about the different cycles go ahead yeah. Well the their two major events during the year new on is the the move to the north which will happen in in April and we Crossed our animals in early April before the the rivers loose or not and While it's safe to travel I it's And the lakes and rivers so that Dan Dan reverse. It's in the winter when we pick up thirds somewhere around early December and and had Had with the ranger back So to the winter range which is more of a lake and Feed so the It's it's an assisted. Migration is what it is and one doesn't Necessarily push the ranger exactly where one wants some to go but As long as you get the general direction they'll they'll pick their particular route in. So how so does the hurting that you do today. Compared to what maybe even your parents or grandparents did while it's a lot a lot more mechanized New Snow won't be always been the best inventions in sliced bread but Aside from that after is generally the same in and because of that mechanization also in with with good communications The safety factors higher so one is able to cover a A longer distance or search large areas in a shorter period of time In so talk to us a little bit about the culture that is connected to hurting. Well we're always a certain number of strays With any kind of a herd That in a thicker subgroup of younger bulls generally so you will wander off. That happens and if they're far enough away well then one just has to live with that unless it's a large number Generally the hurting or the hunting community The Bush folks like us are characters in a lot of ways. So they'll not only Let us know when they're many large-scale stray off and then they also will help with Taking care of editors who's like lulls than than we encourage them to harvest those in our vicinity because it's to our benefit in so you talked about understanding your heard. What are some of the things that the reindeer have taught you? I'm sorry I not appear on your question. What's that what have you learned from just being beside them for so many years I don't know Ah One just gets to observe a lot of the terrain the other wildlife. The weather The Moon in the Sky Stars so so it's Part of the learning of Traditional Bush travel and survival skills orientation and orienteering Traveling safely those things so There's usually few intense activities with the ranger. But so there's there's a fair bit of time for one do make observation and And maybe distilled what knowledge they can of various. I think I in in that knowledge of land is important too and have you seen any changes over the years or even migration patterns turns or even how The reindeer are adapting to their environment. Have you seen any changes. Well well There have been some then. We have actually switched range of When we took over the heard we moved this is in compiled and then one removed them back? Act was an older pattern A migration route We're more concerned with the CARIBOO movements and offer time those change and we basically stay out of the way of Kirby to avoid conflicts with Caribou or with the hunters and so Lloyd the harvest talk to us about harvesting reindeer In are there times that you plan for that. Well what we found After all this time is that It one can industrialized and and kill a greater under number over a shorter period. But we've found that the demands for inspection and and the manpower needs the The processing be compressed into type frame timeframe and the need for large storage for a short period of time. I'm it it hasn't worked as well as what we put our practice. Now which is a cottage industry style where we harvest You know three to four to five animals today during the winter so from December until early or the end of March and then that's been much more successful and so while I got you on the line Lloyd not often do we get to hear Asami perspective on anything but Tell tell me anything that you'd like to share about. How the Saami regard reindeer? Well it's A large part of the survival of of the of the reindeer herding communities for certain and Not only the food the clothing and the the I guess the learning about nature through Someone who could shea through the Rangers is So it's it's a you need some kind of an adaptation and and you know one has to remember that there are different factors in different places so Hurting styles and ambitious very around the Arctic. Well it's also interesting how these Species species relate to different indigenous nations. Maybe even your own you wanNA share some thoughts with US Glenn Call in one eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is news and number Lloyd binder a reindeer herder is on the line with us today. He is semi in inuit and joins us today out of Northwest Territory. Aretha Canada if you'd like to share some thoughts with him go ahead dialing one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight hundred number are biologists is still here with us to Nick Dima And again if you have questions for him calling one eight hundred nine native right now. We're going to travel on over Fairbanks Alaska to say hello to Jodi June Abi pots. She is a caregiver hunter and she is hunt which in our pleasure to have her here. Jody welcome good morning and hearing during August. Talk a little bit of the biology little bit about the hurting side. What were you thinking Jodi? Well I listened to the biologist and some of the things thinks that he was saying I didn't know So learn things but also some things are very relatable and things that we already knew from indigenous knowledge witch so that was kind of neat to see that mirrored But I think you know Aside from the science of it you know the the care brewer just so meaningful to our people They're such a big part of our way of life for food. Security and our culture and spirituality so It's it's very important to The question nation for sure in let's breakdown some of those levels about the importance of Caribou to Guten Where would you like to start You know I guess. Just as long as I can remember you know my family has subsisted off for The caribou herds and so You know they've cut our family and our people for LINNEA and You know we're we're the Caribou people and so all of our which in communities than types and bands lived lived off Caribou for thousands of gems and so we Definitely a hold them in the highest regard hard and and protecting them and and also Respecting Caribou upon our harvest is also important as well so We also use different parts of the Cariboo for clothing and Um tools and things like that so Gather they're very important. Is there anything you can share with us about their origin to the people well Are People People You know we have our creation story and caregivers there with it you know. People wouldn't exist with stuff the care and so when Creator You know brought our people to the land. He also Brought the Caribou for food source and and not only are fruits. I for for other Things that we needed so The CARIBOU and our people are very much united in our existence existence and our identity in that identity is going very strong right now Why is it also important for young people to be connected to who've Caribou jody well You know one of the things that are elders who says she you know It's really important for young people I feel like to be raised with Eating traditional foods. it's a big source of our strengths in our in our health and well-being But also as far as harvesting care You know for a young person to get there. I care the right of passage and so that's that's very important and You know after our Young people are GonNa care they share and they don't get to have any of it we we give all of the need away and we have like a frisk kill pot latch and so You know it's Very important to Our people yet today And you know there's a lot of villages in Interior Alaska that heavily rely on what land provides them and it's really important for us to be able to protect the resources and Caribou and the land in order to be that way of life and and really it's a necessity and Our source in our food security very very important that today's into jody Wynn This this information is presented to young people. What's their reaction You know I think they're still like in the villages Our young people alerts so raised in that way so then see hundreds of bringing in the Cariboo from a young age. You know if if they're not out there with their families as it is as you know and so it's just a way of life and I know from my children You know they'll say we've been hunting care when with their mom for as long as I can remember you know and So my youngest child I think he was four years old doing He went out hunting. And so these little tiny packed with care Buni and you know just a real good you know throughout the winter you know. Every time we eat some an Emmy I. I wouldn't mind the kids that they report of this and you know they they help feed our family and how important that is so the hard work of carrying heavy heavy packs of me Out and Things like that and I think that it's well received. There's still a lot of pride in who we are the people and identity and You know there's a new generation of young people that are also fighting to protect the Caribou In any threats to due to the cable Prison grounds in the land. So that's really really awesome to see and I think that you know our kids today and are they may have May live in the city. That may come in here. Go off to college But you know they will always know I know where they come from and who they are and care persisting people in I'm curious win is Caribou hunting season So the season just It's usually depending on the heard the location and the different units in Alaska. We have You Know Alaska is Kinda divided into hunting. It's as far as a hunting regulations. Which is the state of Alaska and Typically clean it's like mid August to end of September Sometimes it's hunters. We have to be really mindful of any kind of emergency juicy closures because of You know Meeting quotas of care be taken and so You know there's so many herds in Alaska and there's different each of those hurt but it's typically fall time before the before the breeding In I want to talk about the breeding season because it has a very special connection as to why a mini kitchen are standing up. And saying you know we need to think about `bout This species in just what they mean to us. We'll get into that after the break. If you know exactly what I'm talking about and you have some comments calling right now. We want to hear your voice. One eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is the number whether you call him reindeer or Caribou. What connection do they have to your life Were excited to hear storytime year. Turn one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number we do look forward to your calls and of course we look forward to your questions to anything more you WANNA learn about Caribou or reindeer. It's your chance I gotta do is dial in or ready for those those calls hang tight. There's more head here on native America calling your electronic talking circle liked the circle of life. There is an opportunity that comes around every ten years a chance to participate and let our voice be heard it. Lets others know who we are and where we are. The twenty twenty census will be our opportunity to shape our future for generations to come SHAPE OUR future start here. Learn more at twenty twenty census dot Gov paid for by the US Census Bureau. Thank you for listening to native America calling him. Tara Gatewood in we are focused on Caribou and reindeer today. And we're ready for you to share a chapter after a story or maybe more information on These different species in what you were taught growing up one eight hundred nine six to to eat for eight is the number Just before the break you heard from Judy June Abi Pazienza Caribou Hunter. And she's also Hungrian pleasure to have her here in Jodi. Let's talk about efforts to make sure that the Caribou Have the right to birth Anything anything you want to share about the controversies with this or why Guojun speak up. Yeah thank you. It's such an important If you today facing our people So the PORCUPINE Caribou herd which gives birth to their cabs which we call? Call the sacred place where life begins. is The area the birthing areas under threat of oil development and it has been since the eighties. are people Gathered in the eighties in our chiefs and elders Said you know we have to resist this and you need to go about it in a good way. We have to protect the breeding ground of the Cariboo And the PORCUPINE Caribou herd they go through. They migrate I think that the animal with maybe the biologist could be to this but there the Animal the largest migration route porcupine Caribou and they migrate to all of our which Indo Ages uh-huh And there has been proposed. Oil was out in the in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in the secret place where life begins And so we've been Fighting that since the eighties and We're now on the fourth generation of of activist at this with our group of which in us that have been advocating to protect this area? So you know under the trump administration shen and And our Alaska Definitely administration currently They're really pushing home than when I didn't The resale them on you know the the processes the environmental study and things like that are being rushed through. Grew and You know people will not compromise on this. You know Worry concerned about how this would devastate The porcupine uncurable heard and and you know therefore longer people in culture so it's very very important that this is protected and we As people like a lot of really bring allies as well and You know we're GONNA be in this. Aw Info Jody Talk to me more because you know every time that we have done a program on this very issue that you were talking about in. We've heard opinions from both sides of people saying that while we do need to open this up. And they're even indigenous people to who are speaking some of this We always always come back to their role in their importance to Culture in like you to tell me more about that go ahead you know the Caribou Like A had mentioned You know what Jodi you're you're cutting in and out Maybe go to the other side of the room Or lift a leg or something. I WANNA make sure we're clear. Go Go ahead and try it after Justin this better. You know And I you know I really think it's This is very calming. I'm in with a lot of Cultures especially indigenous cultures You know when there's a a food source that sustain their people that that food source then becomes Sacred sacred to their existence. And so you know the Care Boo Being the main food source Has Really become synonymous with us as a people and so you know as far as our culture you know the the during the hunting seasons in our in our communities You know it's really a time of celebration. It's a time of joy and at the time is that we all come together. You know the hunters may bring in quite a few care boo. An altogether we get together and process it and cook and it's just a big celebration And then throughout the year. That's that's our main food sources such A. It's a very nutritious lean meat but also oh you know. The CARIBOU is a source of Clothing for us you know. We have The growl just mentioned that the Caribou hair here is hollow. And that's something that we always known and it's A very good insulator and so when people have used care be skins traditionally for Hutt I'm for for homes and then You know he's cared we skins my whole life is sleeping mat. 'cause they're very warm day. Protect you from the cold ground I use Caribou skins when I'm out dog washing have them in my sled and what keeps my kids warm. You know when they're marching with me writing in my dog fled You know we make muck locks and so it's it's you know when our clothing We may not always wear indigenous clothing today but but you know are are coming trend. some trips countr- another quick Tra and maybe commonly known known as mclintock's are made of care loose skin and they're extremely warm and you know me and my kids all still wear them today in the really cool temperatures. Only thing. That'll it'll keep our feet warm so You know it's a big part of our culture and You know it's really really important that that'd be protected but you know it's is also really important part of you know just the landscape. The CARIBOU are Also vital to keeping a healthy environment and so You know there's other species that are under threat besides just the mood that Go to the area that is Proposed for oil development. All kinds of birds from around the world migrate to the area that they want to drill for oil. And you know within in the north of us that are summer In favour of dealing oil But we've also ah come in contact with a lot better also opposed because they are now seeing the impacts of oil development on their lands but also in their health and so You know that the air cavalry breaking rounds is very sacred to us because animals they. Oh I'm we're we're all learning together. Maybe there's still more you WANNA you're curious about Rainbow Rate Caribou or reindeers. Put it together are Oh boy All right let's take a call. We're going to hear from Isa Luke in Albuquerque New Mexico tuned in on K. U. M. as Luke. Thanks for calling. You're on air. I just have a funny story. I rode my bicycle across the Arctic Circle Back in Nineteen Ninety with the sacred run for vice and when I started out in the morning I was really early. Foggy and we were going in from we were in Finland and basically the guest of the Sonics and lenders up there and during the fog I kept seeing this clicking noise and and I thought there was something wrong with my bicycle so I just kept writing and writing and writing. Well the fog lifted and I was writing besides a herd of injury that we're running alongside the road which I thought was pretty pretty awesome investor looking pretty good patient either. I think it was partially curious to what I told my bike. Mike was broken so I wanted to get off the bike whose possible but It was an awesome experience being up there and just hearing the reindeer didn't know what was out in the fog and when I lifted I was really surprised I oh boy I know you never forget that. Moment as Luke. Thanks for sharing sharing his story. One eight hundred nine nine native is how you do that or leave. David directly on our website need of America calling dot com and the Also want to bring back Nick Dima who's here with us our biologists and after hearing of Jodi speak I was wondering too if there's anything you can share about. What the Caribou do for the land and You know as we know that the they also play a role in in the ecology or anything you want to share about that. Yeah I mean yeah. Caribou boy Loyd just you know with the the numbers of them on the landscape and just you know obviously there in you know really importantly tied to the vegetation out there and when you have huge numbers of Caribou in large dense groups that are out there feeding on the land constantly constantly can certainly change in vegetation communities entities CA large herds. Travelling can trample vegetation so Ecologically they can certainly have an impact on plants lance just as the plants have a huge impact on Caribou and their health and nutrition and everything but so on top of their relationship with just the plant communities but You know other than humans we've been hearing about how important they are for humans for food and and pulling sleighs and and tools and such things but They also provide a huge food source for the predators and scavengers out. There you know. Wolves Bears Wolverines coyotes Lynx. I mean all kinds signs of animals benefit from Caribou and So they are. They are an integral part of the land and Can you know all are are changed by the land but also caused changes to the land. And just let me get back to that blue eyed thing I did look up that study and So that was particular to Caribou that experienced twenty four hour darkness so those Caribou populations that live above the Arctic Circle and apparently so that darkness causes causes there to pull dilate and that pressure That constant pressure of that constant Pupil dilation over the winter on there is apparently turns there is blue loose. Oh that's pretty cool. I I learned some two here today. So it's pretty neat pretty cool wasn't it. Is Everything Caribou and reindeer. We're getting ready to wrap up. Lloyd binder binder also here with us in N. wit in Saami reindeer herder anything. You want to share. Well I think all our people bowl we agree that One of the major issues with rain your end. Caribou is the question of human nutrition and Diet and the lost of Pages from the cookbook always say and a decrease use of The various body parts yes and in fact some wastage so I would even guess that in some places there's you know a significant Waste of Of Body parts because people have forgot talking how to prepare the various stuff recipes from those parts so food security them is linked to that ability not only the availability of the resource resource utilization. So I know that all around the Arctic there is A real movement certainly amongst the radio hurting people and to in this area and Alaska that That that there'd be there is a movement to rediscover those recipes and to to Move back to those traditional ways of preparing and away from the Western Fast Food Food who'd culture so there's a slow food movement that's part of that with We're saying communities. That is good. News in with that in speaking of cookbooks. Any tips on preparing reindeer. Go ahead Lloyd. Oh well it's UH There's a variety of ways to use it so You know choose your from Spaghetti ground meat and getty fos or in stews and soup and I five adapted it to a lot of just Generally popular the recipe and it sure makes them mean sausage. Some really good sausage jodie turned to you anything to add to the cookbook. Yeah I think one of the best ways that I enjoy it being prepared is actually in our traditional method of just You know we we like to hang hang army after the kill and and Smoke it and so we have My favorite thing is having ribs That's been smoked and then boil it and makes it really delicious meaty smokey Broth and And then continue cooking the ribs like over a fire and that's one of my favorite ways to prepare care but like The other gentleman said you can use Care Ruin Place of any modern recipe. Stir fries and Chile and and all sorts of things so but it's just The best lean and and healthy healthy me I think that is out there. So and is there one particular part that kind of elders flock to or like you always hear about vowed Moose knows do. Is there anything like that that you know elders already licking their chops when they no one's coming in yeah definitely cable had been so You know Roasted over fire. Caribou head and You know often we'd have it over the fire for a little bit. It just again for that smokey flavor flavor and then You know my mom always extol head in a big roaster and puts it in the oven to roast for awhile. uh-huh and the meat is just really tender and ninth Also there kilby tongue is one of the first things that's eaten as well and that's really really. Okay so yeah. Those are some of the prime From cuts I guess Everyone wrestle for the eyeballs. Yeah those those the Pretty much everyone goes for that including you know my kids so you know it's still a big part of our lives is today so yeah all right thank you so much in finally Jodi any quick reminders about how culture teaches us. All these things Yeah you know You know I think it's also a big part of our wellness today. You know. There's been such a huge impact from colonization to our people and I am a big believer in our traditional foods you know but also the ceremony surrounding gathering are traditional foods and you know for all of our indigenous communities you know for some tribes the loss of their traditional food source you know has really really impacted There are people in a very negative way. And you know we're just very blessed that we still have the Caribou And we still have You know our land and we're we're definitely Going to protect that because we don't want what happened to you know the buffalo tribes tap into our tribes and so There's a lot to learn. I think there's also a lot to learn from history trend. Sure so yeah all right well thank you so much Jodi June Abi pots nick. Lima is is low in binder. It's going to do it for our program today. 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Ep. 59: Meat Care Tips for the Traveling Hunter
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We always love hearing from fellow mugs head over to Netflix's to check out season nine part one and don't worry more episodes of coming season nine part two you will arrive in early twenty, twenty one and we'll share those launch details as we get closer. As a guide and Hunter I've spent thousands days in the field. This show is about translating hard one experiences into tips and tactics. They'll get you closer to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Romy Warren this is cutting the distance. All right everyone I want you to picture this. He just traveled out of state maybe across the country for awesome. Elkin. Hundred hard now you gotta down. You Pat Yourself on the back, and now you realize. Because traveling with a boatload of meat can honestly be logistical nightmare specially if you haven't thought ahead of time. So this week is all about traveling hunter in meet care. Maybe you're headed out west for hunt for deer, antelope elk, maybe flying into remote hunt in Alaska somewhere or just driving across the state you live in for special draw tag I'm going to share my full proof methodology to literally bringing home the Bacon and breakdown traveling Hunter Meet Care Logistics. But before we do that, let's head down to Old Mexico for story of Murphy and the Traveling Buffalo. If you've hunted long enough or pretty much done anything with any amount of time in wanted some form of certainty. The certainty is that you will run into a man I know very well, we call him Murphy because his law is whatever can go wrong will go wrong and he's the guy that's GonNa stick it to you more times than most most trips essentially are Jessica dodging all Murph is the way I like to think about it. Now, this particular trip was a while ago and I was filming for this show that I used to do called Apex. Predator. We were down in Mexico and we're kind Of testing this theory of using like a wolf hide based off of a Catlin painting where native Americans would use wolves to sneak in on elk because they would see humans in run but their natural defense mechanism was the stay put when they see wolves because if they run, the wolf would incite to chase and then that buffalo essentially be dead. So thought, let's try this old technique of putting will fight I. only had a coyote hide over my back and then sneaking in on these buffalo. Now, as you can imagine that sounds like a recipe for interactions with old Murphy. And it was nothing like on this trip, really went as planned I was just got done guiding in Montana and there was this one open window. So I flew down from Montana to you Arizona met up with some guys they flew from all over parts of the country, some people from Colorado, another guy from I think Montana New York and whatever own is kind of spread out so We, rent a vehicle in Arizona and just to start off. Here's how it goes because we rented a off road like four by four vehicle. And we show up and essentially it's like this dodge, caravan car kind of thing. It is absolutely in no way shape or form like a good offroad vehicle this thing. I've got I'M GONNA dig up a picture of this damn car. It was like here's our vehicle to travel through the dusty off roads of Mexico to this ranch down there that were hunting. And Hunt like parts of this ranch in this tiny little car. And so I think we ended up getting an extra van as well because there's absolutely no way we were GONNA fit in this car and it had zero offer capabilities but van was also not audible. So we got those cars and full insurance. Of course for the best insurance, they could give us for that. And we headed down. The border? Essentially. Got Into Mexico with pretty much no incident in of normal border struggles troubles because we had guns and had to stop. I had a rifle because I was going to be coups deer hunting as well. Sir trying to do these two episodes in in one trip coups. Dear, Bufalino. So the Oh buffalo hunt, and we kind of ended up without the offroad capabilities had to park in one spot. Do a lot of walking, which is fine. You know maybe not necessarily find when you're planning on shooting giant Buffalo and trying to get it back to camp and everything. Very fairly quickly but you know we just took the lumps that were given us. So of course, I, think it was maybe the first day just how this trip starting out like kind of scouting around trying to figure out where we're going to hunt where the buffalo are whatever and I've got my tripod in like high-powered twenty power binoculars because it's perfect glossing for that long distance glossing even for the Buffalo, they can be hard to find big open like. kind of that desert think like southwest style country lots of Mesquite and whatever and big area, and so the high-powered optics are really crucial for spotting stuff. Previewing they're kind of taking the main roads that we could actually drive on seeing how far we could get certain places and I was just trying to glass a long ways away. See if I could find a spot where it's like, okay. Let's let's go check that spot out. I get back in the car shut the doors drive forward and just. I'm like Oh. Shit. What happened? Get Out. Right off the bat ran over my tripod and optics in the car. Like. that. Sucks. Brand new pair of binoculars. I was like man thank God for decks because they had a warranty on like sweet but sucks rice I'm like putting back these binoculars I just ran over in our. Car. And now we're GONNA hunt. So kinda just fast forward through the hunt because some stuff went wrong like stockton and everything worked out I ended up making like not a good shot with my bow and then ended up having a shoot buffalo with rifle. So it was just a cluster like from the beginning everything's just kind of just going the wrong way like whatever you know I I'm the type person things go wrong just keep a good positive attitude. It's all good whatever. So now we've got this buffalo down like awesome. Star, butchering the Buffalo, hanging up, packing it back to vehicle, which was a lot further than it could have been if we had like an actual offer vehicle that we were supposedly going to have so. Now we get back and it's like, okay. Now, what we've got a giant Buffalo, a lot of meat that we're going to bring back luckily, you know it was prepared for this. So I had like a ton of Ziplock baggies. We had a lot of cellophane and there is a ranch house there had electricity with a freezer that we could use. So that was all setup ahead of time knew all this. So now it's butcher day going through butchering, cutting up large pieces of meat, just kind of chunking everything to where it wrapped in the cellophane and then stuffing it in the Ziplock in freezing it. Now the plan is we had we actually had one big cooler couple actually couple of big coolers that we were traveling down there with you know to store stuff in anyways. So now we travel back across the board we actually got across the or no problems You know showed all the paperwork and the meat and this that and the other thing that was actually fairly seamless wasn't too bad. We're GONNA fly back from Tucson. So we actually got a couple of smaller coolers because we decided, we're going to split the meet up everybody everybody that was on the cruise like working so hard and carried me like helped with the butchering. It's like guys this is our buffalo. We're going to split this buffalo four ways. was like everyone was pretty stoked on that. So we got some extra coors everybody could take their buffalo whatever home everything was still frozen like sweet. So we get to the airport. There's four of us all this production year all this in just coolers out the ass just a lot a lot of meat. And then we got the news that something was wrong with the plane and our flight was going to be delayed the flight out of Tucson. Okay Chill win. We're all flying different places too. So it shouldn't have been a problem, but I can't even remember what the deal is but whatever happened was we weren't gonna fly out that day. So I go crap. And we've got all this buffalo, but it's not gonNA. Last as long as this delay is so ruined rack Walmart by some dry ice stack in the coolers we actually just called a bunch hotels and asked any if they had a freezer one of them finally had a freezer. So he chose that hotel and we go to that hotel like, Hey, can we store some stuff in your freezer? So. We put these coolers in the freezer. Now we're waiting for a flight. The flight ends up being delayed a day and a half. But like all right now it's all good cool. We should be fine. We ended up getting on our flight. I've got the Buffalo I fly into my first stop should be not a problem salt lake city like sweet. Get to. Salt. Lake. Get off the plane. All flights are cancelled to where I was going, which was missoula. There is like this inversion in Missoula and no flights had been going in and out for days. So was just like too foggy to land. I'm like crap. Okay. What are we going to do? I was like I've got this Buffalo And it's just cannot sit out in the airport for that long. So I ended up renting a car then driving from salt. Lake back up to where my truck was at the airport. Dropping off the rental car. Awesome. Now, I've got my truck and the buffalo now I realize but I was not going my final destination was not there at a twelve hour drive back to where I was going. So get my truck, the buffaloes all in the truck, and now I'm driving trying to keep this buffalo frozen stop stop again re dry ice refreeze everything finally get home however many days it took us later buffalo fully intact no meat spoilage still all frozen good to go no matter what those logistical things throughout me I was definitely prepared enough to take care of the problems, all the travel delays all that stuff and get the me home. Completely safe completely fine and definitely had one of the best back strap meals of wild game. I've ever had shortly after my big old buffalo prime rib for Christmas a few days later. If I come to think about it, I would probably consider myself one of the world's foremost experts in traveling with game I have traveled literally hundreds of thousands of miles via air and vehicle, and every mode boat doesn't matter like I've honestly traveled every way shape and form with game meat I mean I've taken meet back from places as far as New Zealand and places that are hot like Hawaii or I've also even just from trips that are halfway across the state but driving six eight hours in the summer just if there's a scenario where I've had process and take meet back back country of Alaska from small planes to big planes to a couple of different connection flights I've done. It, and because of that, I've kind of broken down some of the logistical thoughts that you need to think before every hunt where you're going even if you're just going a few hours away to make sure that you're going to get that meet home in good condition and not go bad over the years I have never lost any meat while traveling and have had some major mishaps like things delayed things lost. You know just whatever you can encounter I've probably encountered it. So I'm just going to go over a few of the logistical things that you should think about. Now if we're talking about traveling with me, I would say there's three options. So these three options come into play whether you're. Planning your hunt, or already going on your hunt whatever. So your option would be to drive to ship or to fly. In all these are broken down in kind of a cost slash pain in the ASS factor. So let's start with Dr Driving is going to be the cheapest and probably in my opinion, the easiest logistically best way to go somewhere and get your meat back home whatever now the downside driving is it takes time and it also may not fit in your schedule like if you if you're traveling and you've got a thirty hour drive both ways that's cutting into hunt time, I'd say, most of. The time for me personally, if I'm going somewhere further away I ended up flying and a lot of the places maybe you can't even drive to. So it's just something to think about that factors into the decision making of the logistics of how you're getting there and how you're getting your meat back. I will say though if you are driving the best ways to obviously bring large coolers or even seen guys that really prepare bring a trailer that might have a freezer that they could plug in. The large coolers is great because what I do is if I'm traveling along ways, I'll then put the meat in the cooler and all use dry ice to keep it. Cool. Now, if I've processed it before, I had home I'll use the dry ice to freeze it and to do that, you put the dry on top of whatever you want. So dry ice on top that freezes it you crack event in the cooler she don't make a little cooler bomb and blow your truck. Truck up but or to refrigerate use the dry ice actually on the bottom. So put dry ice on the bottom of the cooler, probably cover it with something like a piece of cardboard or whatever. So freeze what's right above it, and then I'll start stacking some meat in there. Another option you can use wet ice I just don't really like traveling long distances with wet ice because it gets at meet soaked in water. The best way to use wet ice abuse blocks on the bottom set your meat on the top and. Then pop that drain Plug Open. So that way it's never really sitting fully in water, but the dry ice or even just using dry ice on the bottom block ice and then the meat on top that kind of helps prevent it from melting. So fast, you can really find dry ice anywhere most a lot of grocery stores sell it even I founded it like a I don't know if it's like a national place but place called nor it's like I think it's like a welding supply company, but they sometimes have it. Wherever I'm going on a hunt even if I'm driving or whatever I'll call a few places around before ahead of time and just say, Hey, do you guys sell dry ice? Grocery stores whatever just to understand what I might need. Now, if they don't, I do have a small chest freezer that I have thrown in and I can you can plug that in when you're wherever you're at hotel whatever at night bringing extension cord I've done that too where I knew am going for a while it's going to be a long drive me a couple of day drive. 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Now, the next option is wherever going the shipping option. This is definitely the most expensive option, but it's definitely I would say the least pain in the ass this is one I rarely do because it is so expensive. What it involves is finding a butcher shop more meat processing place near where you're hunting dropping the meat off and then having them ship it to you wherever you live. This is really good for people that are flying the Times that I have done this place in Alaska with a Moose I just didn't. Have time or didn't really logistically prepare to have everything figured out ahead of time. So I dropped the Moose off, had it process and then shipped back after the price tag on that and my disappointment and how poorly everything was butchered I kind of swore that off but there are really good. But Yours in in processors that do a great job you know you can have a great experience actually for my outfitting business, my clients we use a butcher nearby and it's incredible. I, mean, I would take things they're overdoing it. Myself because they do such a good job. We you know we trust them with that job for a lot of our clients and they do a really good job with it. So there are pluses and minuses to that, but it is definitely the easiest most thoughtless best way to figure out logistics. If you don't have a lot of time or don't have maybe extra time after to deal with all the beat, you gotta think about when you're planning hunt, you need to factor in days for taking care of me or getting. The meat home, some way, and that is a huge part that I think people kind of forget about the go on a hunt. They say, okay I'm hunting from this day to this day and then flying out the next day if you don't leave yourself some days to figure out the logistics and take care of them then you're probably GonNa be in a situation where you oh crap. Now, what I don't have time I don't have the right things. This is a lot more than I thought and you're probably GONNA run the. Risk of that meet going bad. So the shipping one finding a good butcher and then when you're talking about shipping so the most the cost actually comes in not necessarily from paying the butcher, which is a cost but that's the kind of cost that I wouldn't necessarily mind the cost that I do mind is those exorbitant shipping costs. So the reason that's so expensive is because a lot of a might have to ship overnight so they'll freeze it though box it up and sixty pound boxes in the overnight it if you. Live let's say you're hunting in Montana and you live in Minnesota that's going to be a six hundred dollar bill two thousand dollars to ship that meet back home that can be crazy. Now think about being somewhere like Alaska or somewhere else man we're talking some serious hefty price tags just to ship that meet back. So there's other options for shipping that you can figure out ahead of time once called airfreight now would air freight is essentially putting the baggage on a plane as luggage back in the day used to be able. To Air Freight things yourself, you can no longer do that. So you have to go through preferred a registered shipper, but in places like Alaska or maybe some remote places many of the meat processors actually a registered air freight shippers you might even maybe you're even doing diy hunt but there's an outfitter in the area that might be registered airfreight. You could connect with them, throw them a few extra bones to ship something air freight that might be an option as well. Freight is a lot cheaper. I've actually shipped like an. Entire. Moose back for under two hundred bucks airfreight. So there is a lot of options I ship actually a of Roosevelt, elk from a fog neck one time I went back on the plane the other time we just air freighted it. The air freight option was definitely the best way to go like one hundred bucks in it came back and I just had to pick it up at the airport a couple of days later and everything was still frozen shipped it. You know in a in a large cooler and it was perfect. Then the other option would be ground shipping. The way that ground shipping is done, would be everything's processed, packaged and frozen, and then it's put into, say a large cooler with dry ice on the top then did and then shipped ground I. Don't suggest this way. It is the cheapest way you can do it I have seen it done before I mean most of the time ground will get back in three to four days. I've seen it done. I guess I've done. It once I had no problems with it, but it just seems like a little dicey in my opinion, you have to have the dry ice labeled on there. You have to have everything labeled a certain way. There's restrictions for it, but it is another option to think about if you get somewhere, you've got everything process. You've got a little bit of time everything's frozen. You can ship ground it'll definitely save you some money there. So now we'll go into the third option which we'd be fly. This is the way that I do mostly hunts because a lot of them might be places I can't drive to or I don't have the time to drive and just might be easier to fly I think if you're flying summer for. Me My opinion. The best way to take me back just a flight back with you now seems like a lot. Yes but I've got some tricks for making it a little bit better over the years. The first thing is plan plan on bringing, meet back and having time take care of it before you go. You're also going to need some certain supplies. So the supplies include bags, some kind of bags whether it's a freezer bags, ziplock bag, vacuum sealed bag rap like. Rap, and then some kind of cooler and then fraser packs and then extra like extra large duffle bags and contractor garbage bags. So if you have all that stuff, you pretty much have everything you need to process. Then you're gonNA have to find a place wherever you're flying in or out of you know somewhere after the hunt but maybe it has a freezer that you can use whether it's a hotel a motel maybe even a processor around the area that has freezer space some kind of freezer because that really helps with this whole process and I'll give you some tips on if there is no freezer as well. So what I do is I try to essentially, I. Mean if I don't, there's not always time to process the me but what I will do is cut into chunks and then I will bag and freeze. Say Well does that match the quality of the meat to freeze because you're gonNA D- thought when you get home and then reprocess re butcher it whatever clean it up and then freeze it again it does a little bit but you kind of have to weigh your options of what's better now, the best option for me is to butcher it wherever I'm at and then take it home. I. Think. One thing that I've found is super helpful on the traveled hunt is airbnb now at the end of one hunt. Generally book like an Airbnb House, somewhere because then I have room to butcher I, have a kitchen and I have a freezer, and for the you know, I'm GonNa need a place to stay anyways after the hunt. So for the price of that, it's way easier to take care of everything doing it that way going that route. I'm a huge fan of like at the end of the hunt having a day or two an Airbnb just clean everything up to package to get everything ready. So when I go home. It's easy and I'm saving money on processing costs, saving money on shipping costs and I'm saving probably time and money on the drive as well. So that's a great way to think about it. What I do is I actually bring I've got. One of these made with meat like vacuum sealers like a standard vacuum sealer and bring that in my luggage on my hunt with me when I fly in and then I have vacuum bags as well. So have that I'll take like a like a Gerber fillet. Knife that's what I butcher you're with like a six inch blade and then you know you have your, I'll bring like a soft sided yeti cooler. I've got like this one's a backflip. It's a backpack. So when I'm flying somewhere I have that is my carry on and then I put meet in that. Afterwards, it fits about of a whole butcher. Dear, anything extra over that. Put in garbage bags in my Duffel bag and then frozen and then you think okay well, we'll that last. Yeah. So that's what the freezer packs are for the freezer packs in that Duffel and then honestly it's really cold underneath the plane and I actually intentionally fly Alaska Airlines a lot because they do have cold storage in a couple of their hubs. So you say, Hey, this is frozen though slap of frozen sticker on it and when it lands if you get stuck or it has to sit, they'll just go put that in a freezer for you and a lot of people don't realize that. Even down to choosing the airline that I'm going to use I try to find one that's pretty friendly with that kind of stuff. Now, let's you don't have a lot of time like you get it like how many times do you get something last day and you don't have a lot of time to process or whatever. Maybe you don't have time to freeze or you can't find somewhere as freezer. Then, what I do is I wrap it in cellophane I, take a cut it into chunks rap insulting I bag it neither my ziplock or that if got the vacuum sealer thing down bring that. Seal it up, and then I will bring like these freezer packs Yeti ice different kinds of freezer patchy, and it's like that blue liquid freezer things. I'll bring a couple of those in my bag because I've found that they're nearly impossible to find somewhere on a hunt. There's been times I'll just by one when wherever I'm at, they're always unfrozen can't find him. So if I bring some with me than I get a hotel room were motel or a AIRBNB I can throw those in the freezer and get those frozen for the trip. Home then I will put that meet in my cooler with those frozen freezer packs in with it, and for the duration of most flights that's always been enough to get me home. Now, the things you have to worry about you can fly with me. The only thing you can't have is something that starts to leak. So if you have something leaks and search is leaking blood places that's GonNa get pulled out thrown away. So that's why I wrap it in cellophane I bag it and then I put everything in like garbage sack if I'm. Sticking it in my luggage with those freezer packs and then have them put frozen stickers on keeping the cold part of the plane and I've never had anything bad. Probably, the longest would be like thirty, thirty, five hour journey and almost ninety percent of everything that I've had frozen time is still frozen when I get back and then things that might be slightly defrosted are still extremely cold. So that's the way that you can fly with it. Thinking ahead of time planning it out and having those items where you can say, okay, I'm. Going to butcher it at the end of my trip whether it's out in the field, cut it up baggage into just chunks of meat. You can process leader home as far as the grind goes I just do like when I'm cutting it up I, do my big cuts of stakes. However, I like to butcher it. You know how much time I have depends on how minute my cuts go, and then it just one big bag grinds that bag grind I tend to freeze, and then I actually just defrost it and grind later in the. Whenever I've got time back at home. So. If you follow those steps and kind of think about it logistically think about your options ahead of time and then ways to bring it back. You know you're you're going to be a lot better off I will say the flying way you just check that meet now is extra luggage in it is a lot cheaper than shipping it having done it multiple ways over the years. Of kind of factored out the prices for myself and my clients and whatever. If you're flying, that's the cheapest way to bring it back with you. The easiest ways, the ship it, and to avoid all those headaches in the beginning, just drive to your hunting location. I think with that logistical knowledge, you're well on your way to taking whatever meat you get wherever you are back home safely. Set, time of year, a lot of people are either gearing up or already heading out. So I hope that you guys find a lot of success and please keep those success stories coming I mean I've really been enjoying seeing that you can always reach me at remmy warrant on instagram. That's probably where I'm the most active. You can follow along on some of my hunts love to see how you guys are. Doing it really is awesome to get tagged in those photos and see your guys success in the tactics that you've been using or or ways that you've been successful. So I really appreciate that keep that coming. You know we like to make to enjoy this podcast please share it with your friends, share it on social media or whatever you got whatever you WANNA. Do I really appreciate that feel free to to subscribe. And comment and give us a good rating that just only helps fuel the podcast for the future. So I really appreciate everybody that does that thank you very much and coming up. We're going to be just going into some more like advanced hunting tactics, covering things like glass midday, some strategies for deer and and other things you know keep those questions coming in because that really fuels the direction of where we. Go. If I started getting a lot of questions about something, this particular topic was something that I got a lot of questions on how do I get home with Elkin? How do I get home with Jeremy Going on my first? How do I do this? How do I do that I love that kind of stuff because it really gives this podcast direction for the most of you out there thinking about it listening. I want this to be helping, make you better and kind of covering the topics that you really want covered. So feel free to reach out anytime I always appreciate it. I appreciate your input, and thank you very much until then keep that meet on ice.
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#127 | South Dakota Pheasants at Cronkhite Farm
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Everybody twenty twenty nearing an end and hope folks listening to this spending some time relaxing. Spend time with family and possibly sneaking out for a little holiday up with bird hunt. We're gonna jump right into today's episode with gregg cronkite owner of dakota two three kennels. I took a trip out to south dakota in november. Spent some time on greg's farm on my first wild pheasant hunt we chase sharp tales. Got into some pheasants. Had a generally awesome. Time and greg caught up a little bit and recapped some of our hunting trips this year on this episode. So at that mind again. I wanna wish everybody listening a very merry christmas. And let's welcome into the conversation and onto the project up in podcast of dakota to eighty three greg cronkite and welcome back to the project up. Podcast mr crock. How're you doing today. Doing great sir. Great it's a. It's a beautiful day in south dakota. I'm i think i've told you this. Previously it's hard for me to to have these kinds of things done early in the morning. I usually save them for afternoons over cigar or something you know. So i've got my coffee ready to go and this is great. Thank you for having me on awesome. Yeah we're happy to have you back on a had to be maybe over a year ago when we had you on the first time and we talked a little bit about how you got into bird hunting and kind of the dakota to eighty-three origin story and some other stuff. But a whole years. Gone by greg and it's been quite a year it's been it's been a weird year hasn't on a lot of different fronts. I've been trying to take the positives out of it though. Honestly you like this summer. We jane and i decided to buy an rv instead of travel into hotels and whatnot and we ended up getting this forty one foot fifth wheel rv and it was a it was a beautiful actual beautiful experience. I kinda went in kicking and screaming and ended up really liking that that whole. Rv who's really crazy. It was really fun so we try. Take positives out of all this stuff you know. Yeah that was a big deal for a lot of folks i think. Rv's campers. i'm pretty sure that market was was on fire. I know my parents. Even they picked up a a used camper that we ended up at the cabin for kind of an extra bunk house and we kind of decided to go a different direction so they sold it and they it was It was sold pretty quickly so that was a that. Market is is pretty hot right now. And i'm i'm sure it will continue to be as long as we maintain this uncertainty. But it's december ninth. Greg and you said it's beautiful out. There we got blue skies sunny. The evans snow yet. Well we are. We had one storm in october. But it would. It melted off pretty quick but now this week has been in the fifties. It's been blue skies now. It's been beautiful out here actually almost too nice because when it's nice like this the bird spread out and you have to. You know you can't exactly know where they are. Which actually kind of makes it fun too. So i am not complaining about the weather whatsoever and the other thing the other thing neck. I'll tell you you know we were talking a little bit about what. Kobe did everybody this year. It's allowed me to haunt a ton. More because i am not on the road. I am sitting here on the farm. You know ninety five percent of the time. And i've gotten more hunting in this year than i have in a long long time. So i'm trying to take some positives out of this thing. You know what i mean. Yeah i hear you actually. I think this year is going to be one of the most days that i've hunted as well. And when i say that i imagine it's probably a lot like you especially being as close to birds you are. You've got him on the property and know similarly i can get into birds in. I can get into them in. Probably fifteen to twenty minutes. I liked the all farther than that. But i get out for an hour. You know maybe two hours and especially this time of the year when the days are really short and i've only got one dog doron. I mean. I only need sixty to ninety minutes to get out and i've been fortunate to do that because we've been having that same. Really nice weather pattern. I think and it looks like the temps are going to drop a little bit but we don't. We still have some areas that are not fully snow covered and have been taken full advantage. Craig oh that's yeah that's great well. Fifteen minutes to cover is a pretty strong. You know that's almost like owning your own property. Nick i mean you know fifteen it sometimes takes me fifteen minutes to get to parts of my my property here so yes there's no. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. So yeah you don't have. You don't have quite the improved road system that i'm cruising on now. We're you know the one thing that you have to remember out here is to not worry about keeping your truck clan all year because as soon as you clean it up. It's going to be thirty the next the next hour There's a lot more dust and grime out here than you really want. Well cronkite farm is just west. Well not just. It's west of the river in south dakota and you know you've got website and stuff so folks can look that up if they wanted to you. Bring some folks in for hunters each year which you know has done for this year but the reason i mentioned that is because we're going to circle back and talk a little bit about pheasant hunting there and south dakota and kind of what you've seen this year. But i i wanna rewind a little bit because i know based on what you mentioned earlier the rv. You've had kind of a pretty adventurous upland season. I think and it started earlier this year. Why don't you tell us a little bit about what you've been up to. As far as upland birds go. Yeah well i mean. We mentioned the the rv earlier. When jane my wife said hey we should get an. Rv has like. Are you kidding you know. I don't really want to deal with setting up and taking down and she goes well. I'll tell you what let's get an rv. And in september we can go west and rv out west online breath most of the month anyway and bring your dogs and You know. I'm sorry she didn't say bring your dogs but she said you can hunt whenever wherever you want. And i'm like because she did. We didn't have room for the dogs on that trip. And i'm like wow okay. I'm in so that our view the next day the next day we had bought we had a pull back in our driveway and so we started planning the trip. And you know. I have an upland game bucket list i wanted. I really wanna score on several. Really all the species in north america. I've really focused and grew up with pheasant. But i wanted to expand my my bucket list there so obviously one of the one of the big ones is sage grouse since they're getting more difficult defined so i ended up going up into montana and through through the help of our mutual fron taylor was able to find some ground that that held sage grouse and haunted hundred saved grouse without dogs. It was just jane. And i walk in through grass and say and We ended up getting I ended up getting to to sage grouse this fall which is just absolutely a thrill for me when that first one goes down. You know. you're just like wow and then we went up to into the judith. Mountains of montana and hooked up with Some of our mutual friends up there and We were able to score some some blue grouse Up there and that was really fun. Really fun walks. And we were supposed to head west from there to oregon. But the fires that we had the summer and the smoke stopped us in missoula and we decided. Turn around and say okay. Let's go let's go hang out wyoming for a week or so and so we ended up going down to share it in buffalo wyoming and through jane and i we like to talk to people right so we met some people in town and this and that and one thing led to another and we ended up getting permission to haunt a couple thousand acres out there for for hans and private land and So we ended up. I ended up getting my first not only my first couple of hans and my first my first covey my first cutty rise on hand. nick. I gotta triple. That was really cool. That set the bar pretty high. Greg say went down from there you know but but but we ended up getting you know a dozen to fifteen hans that week and that was. I'll tell you what. I don't know if you've ever done that. That wild hon hunt but the covid that get up on ya. It was really exhilarating. And they're really fun to hunt. I almost would tell you that. I have as much fun hunting. Those hondas i do when i go pheasant hunting. I really enjoyed it. Yeah i my experience on them has been limited. I've actually talked about it. A little bit on the podcast. Before i've i've been in the country but the time of year that i go there according to our mutual buddy tyler webster's not really ideal hun hunting time of year. So i gotta go out a little bit later. I think to really kind of see. I've seen them in the air and i've seen the cover is it's been pretty limited but man they are exciting. That's for sure. Oh yeah and the thing that you have to learn. And i'm not a covey hunter by by experience really but what i have to learn. Is you really have to pick one out because if you start shooting into the covey i mean you're gonna miss all of them you know so or you get lucky and hit one but i you know when i see it. It's like you just think you can't miss anything. It's they get up such big group. It's pretty exciting. The ladder of those two scenarios. Basically what happened to me. I i got the one covey of huns that i saw get up was a huge one. It was near near tyler's place and he knew about them. And i i mean even even i you know i had that in my head. A little bit greg. You know pick out a bird. Don't shoot the covey but you can't help yourself. Those birds got up in front of me. And i. i don't even know. If i shot once or twice but i know i did not pick out a bird and i knocked down but he was not hit very well so clearly not a good shot and fortunately we had a. We had a good on the on the ground. She recovered them for me. Yeah that's that's retro cool well similar and we can get into this later but a similar thing happened to you on the cronkite farm also. So we'll we'll talk about that later. So yeah no my upland my upland. This fall was probably as good as it's ever been for me personally. So i'm very blessed This year on all the different kinds of birds that i was able to harvest and then also just being around people that i really enjoyed hunting with you know it. It was just a really cool year. You know i'm not. I'm not wishing for covert again next fall. Okay i'm not going there. Yeah but but there was some positives that came out of it. So i'm looking at the silver lining here. Yeah like you greg. I tend to be a bit of an optimist and a positive person. I've been able to maintain that. I think through this year the in large part due to the fact that you know. I haven't been hit with challenges. That have been insurmountable right. Like i'm still. I'm still working. i'm still doing. I'm still able to hunt which you know. There's a lot of things to be thankful for that. I think a lot of other folks don't have those same luxury so it's it's easier to stay positive in in that regard but i'll tell you what i'm curious. What twenty twenty one has to offer. Because i wasn't. I wasn't the guy on the train early that said you know. Twenty twenty sucks but man is this year has gone on. it's we don't need any more reminders. About how strange of a year. Twenty twenty ben. No and i think everybody you know part of what we're seeing now with the rise in cases and whatnot. I just think people people just kind of got tired there. You know what i did. I tried blah blah. And then you know people were getting together for thanksgiving and that and you know and people just got tired of it and unfortunately that's part of the deal what happens is people get infected and but you know hey vaccines on the way so i think twenty twenty one is going to be a better year for for everybody involved but i agree with you. You know twenty twenty. I was affected in the fact that i had geographically. Couldn't do very much but my work involves a telephone and a computer. So i can pretty much do that anywhere and so i was just all systems go. You know. I want circle back to the sage grouse actually before we leave that because i had ever recorded a podcast earlier this week. It's not out yet. But we were talking about sage grouse hunting on their little bit and you mentioned you went out and did it with out dogs which. I hunted them once. Greg which i i- i recant. It on this podcast. I did earlier this week. A little bit and what. I was asking. Those two guys was when you look at the age. One of them hunts sage grouse a lot and the other doesn't do it so much so i thought it would be contrasting opinions and i'll and i'll ask you in in the same way because i know you don't you haven't hunted sage grouse a lot but when you look at that sea of sade and you start walking at least when i was there i felt like okay. I have no idea what i'm looking forward to. Hopefully my dog can get wind of something and sent something. What was your approach like greg. And how did you end up finding this age girls. So we had for our sage grouse on We had contrasting habitats we had back a section a section of grass. Okay that was public land and And then part of the public land right next to the grass was sage so what we did was hunt the edges. because we. i don't know i always had really good luck on edges of everything and We wanted the edges of the sage and the grass. And you know we had very early in on the walk. I mean within the first ten minutes of the wok. We had to sage grouse. Get up in the sage. Okay and of course there over by jane who doesn't carry a gun so i didn't really help greg very much but it was. It was cool. It was cool to see him. You know i was like okay. There's actually sage grouse here that's really cool. And then we ended up walking another hour and a half without seeing bird like okay and we were walking mostly in sage grass mix okay and then we went back to the car and jane. Was you know getting tired and chill. And so i said okay. I'll go back out. So i ended up. Huntin the middle of the grass versus the edge of the grass. And you know. I feel really fortunate to be honest with you to be able to get. I did get. I did get sage. Are called covey when they get up in a group or are they called something else. I have no idea. I'm not sure it's a good question. I don't know yeah but i had probably fifteen get up at once a while and yeah. Yeah and we ended up. I ended up getting one of them. I'm certain i probably shot in the group. It's just talked about but but then but then you know sagebrush are big birds. I mean they are really big and they they. I saw where they flew and they went over the hill but kind of like A prairie chicken or a sharp tail. You know they can or they cannot fly along way. They'll they can land within several hundred yards of where you flush them if they feel like it and So i just followed them over the hill and i came up over the hill and there was a bunch of them right there. They didn't see me till the last minute. And i picked out a real nice one and i don't know if i sent you pictures but i can send them to you but So i ended up getting a couple of sage that day and i was done. And that's how it's done without dogs. I guess you have to put a lot more a lot more foot time on on the ground but it can be done. Yeah yeah that's cool. I think the edge theory that gets brought up a lot with upland birds specifically with grouse. And sometimes i wonder about i think science would tell you that and i think i actually heard this recently you know when you have an edge of two habitat types. You have an increase biodiversity in that particular spot. Because you've got different. Species of vegetation and animals tend to congregate there and again. I think the science plays it out but as a as a bird hunter i spend most of my time edges. I'm always trying to. So then. I have in the back of my mind. I wonder just kind of proving my own theory here. Because i'm always on the edge but i think i think science would play but i think that would for sure help in the sage grouse hunt especially without a dog my own mental sanity just to have something some kind of an objective to qui n and focus on. And that's what. I was asking those other two guys whether it was a waterhole or a pothole. Because as you know greg that country can look pretty much the same and you can see a long ways to so in the girls woods. You never know what's around the next pacha cover but right in this age you like mad. If i can't see the birds. I don't know where they are. Yeah exactly exactly. Yep yep and the other the other thing that people don't think about Is the ground itself is really not only. Is it aired but cactus. So if you have dogs. I mean it can beat your dog up pretty pretty hard you know i was kinda actually glad not to have a dog. Because you know your your dog's gonna get beat up running around that stuff and so you know i. I don't know that it's going to be my number. One thing that i'd wanna do every year but i'm really glad that i did it and i'll do it again. It's it's something that was really fun. It was a really fun hunt. Yeah yeah i kinda have the same same opinion as you definitely glad. I got to see inexperience. And it helps in having conversations like this being able to relate with other folks that maybe it is in their backyard and they do it. Do it a lot more at. I find that enjoyable. Tell me about the hun hunting a little bit. Were yet your dogs doing that. How did they do. You know what this was a trip with. Not without any dogs. We didn't have room in the rv. For okay yeah. I was douglas. So you know. Here's this is an interesting. This is interesting conversation because you know as you know we were walking with. I walk with a lot of guys who have pointers and and we have labs which are flushing dogs. So although i can tell when my birds get birdie a lot of people can't and a lot of people who are used to pointing dogs are used to a dog going out pointing they walk up. They're ready to go. Birds gonna flush with a flushing dog. You gotta be ready all the time right you. Can't you gotta be ready all the time. You gotta have your gun in position ready to go all the time and that actually serves me really well hunting with dogs especially for hans because when that cubby gets i'm ready i'm ready to go. I'm very fast to the shoulder. And you know it's it's interesting hunting without dogs but it wasn't that much different than hunting with my dogs because i have fleischer's so it's always a surprise flush. Yep i've i've seen it now being able to hunt with a few more flashers in two of those were yours when i spent a couple of days with the louisiana but i've all thought about that in the sense that prior to being prior to having pointing dogs honey gross with twenty one hundred grouse without a dog for a long time and maintaining that one hundred percent readiness was something that i developed and cultivated long time and i still do it for the most part today even though i have pointing dogs once my dogs get to a certain stage. I'm not a. I'm not afraid to take a shot at it. Gross that gets up that my dog is not involved with so. I still kinda do that. And there is something to be said about being able to maintain that readiness. Because if you don't do it a lot. I think it can. It can get tiring for sure. Absolutely yeah so you you did your western trip and then was it pretty much back to the farm in south dakota right. Yeah so we came back here. South dakota get you to get ready for a will actually in between we got back to south dakota for a day and then i had a two day antelope pawn in sheridan wyoming. So i shot down there and oh canelo pain. Which which is a absolute blast. If if you've ever had ever get a chance to antelope pont. I highly recommend it but then came back to the farm and you know we have a resident season here so you know i was able to get out the the weekend before the opener. Here and Hunt hunts and birds and then and then just get ready for the for the season in our. Our first group shows up around the fifteenth of october. And there's nobody knows how much work goes into a farm and a lodge to get things ready it's i. I often think about that. Like all the food plots that you put in all the pads cutting the grass that you cut and it's there's a lot to do yeah. What were the expectations. Like leading up to the season. What had you been seeing in the offseason. Any habitat work that you were really interested to see how it played out you. What were you looking at leading. Well you know it all it all comes down to key habitat and it all comes down to weather for for good for good breeding season so we we have created a great habitat out here. We've planted four to six hundred acres of of tall wheat grass out here over the last three or four years and you saw the results of that nick the really grass that we've got all over the place that that's just brand new grass that we start growing the last couple of years and but you know we had some really difficult out here to three years ago in a couple years in a row and really knocked population down and then last winter we had a mild winter and we had a picture perfect spring so our our hatch had very high expectations for our hatch and you as it proved to be. You know what it proved to be just about as good as i'd hoped you know as far as the hatch goes and that was that was pretty exciting so so the pheasant. Hunting out here was was very positive very good. You know it's not back to the numbers. We had going back to two thousand fourteen fifteen. I would say which was which actually kind of ridiculous the amount of birds that we hear back then but it's still. It's still really really good. Yeah but when. I was out the things that were going through my mind were. I'm very analytic and i'm always trying to compare. I'm trying to get a an apples to apples. Comparison figured out. So i was asking you questions about bird numbers and and what you had seen in what you felt. It was like mainly. Because i saw what i saw spending a couple of days with you this year but i have nothing to compare to. You know that was my first time spending time on a on a farm in south dakota and i to me i mean there were birds everywhere like it looked. It looked like they were everyone. I know i had been to preserve before. I had seen that kind of thing. Holy unlike your farm where you've got all wild birds you've got habitat. That's sustaining these birds. And you know. I knew that it was a good year. Going into it from what you had said but it was. It was really neat to see the country that topography. It's beautiful that. When i the first time i drove out that way for hunting couple of years ago just around that around that river country. I mean it's just beautiful the topography and you've got wide open landscapes in the way the sun shines off the hillsides that is that is some very beautiful country in a place where some people would stoop as low as calling it fly over country. What you know it is. It's funny it. Looks from the air. Because i fly as well and from the air it looks very flat but as you know and you get out here. It's we've got a lotta undulations. I tell people if they've watched the movie dances with wolves. Oh that captures the hills that we have out here pretty well in that movie it. It's rolling grass is what a lot of it is. And you know we're the buffalo used to roam and this and that so and then oh by the way. We put some food out for birds to you. Know you've got a lot of habitat you've got a lot of food and and and you know it equals it equals good bird populations and it's interesting when you when you tell me you thought you saw birds you know and this and that and and we did. We saw a lot of. We saw a lot of birds. But you know. I walk that. We took along those those trees in that mile tree. Patch that the i walk. We didn't get very many birds out of there and i think we got one or two roosters. Maybe a half a dozen hands but there you know but we got into. We got into them you know. They're they're pretty grouped up so back. In the day you could have walked that treeline and pushed out fifty birds. Okay sure yeah. It's it's it's interesting perspective. people have. Yeah and i had my my eyes wide open. Because i knew that it was it was nothing i'd ever experienced before and i was. I was taking it all in and we were lucky we had. I mean gorgeous hunting weather. The sun was shining was relatively warm. Just you know just warm enough as you got walking we. Actually we get a little warm in in one of the afternoons. I think we were there. But the heck of a heck of a first pheasant hunt for me and that was. I'd i'd mentioned it august before but that was my legitimate first pheasant hunt and it was a blast. I thank you again for hosting beyond that now. That was cool. It's great to have you out. Neck details a pleasure to have people out especially people who've never Never experienced so. That was really fun was do you. Do you happen to know if it was dances with. Wolves was filmed in south dakota. I i have not seen that movie for a long time. I might need when. I need to fire up again. Yeah what watch it again. I've watched a bunch of times. Just because i'd like the movie it was actually filmed inside of one hundred miles from our farms so i mean it was up filmed up near fort. Pierre just west of fort. Pierre pierre okay so yeah a lot of that was filmed right there coal. Hey did you ever happen to. This is a kind of a random side note. But we were talking about books. When i was out there and i was curious. If you'd ever if you recall the name of those game warden books that you had been reading because i i drove into a couple of outdoor book sense. I visited you and now you got me thinking about that again yeah no. Cj box is the author and It's about a cardboard box. Yes I'll make a note here to shoot you a link to that but it's a series of books about a game warden. In montana i think are wyoming or one of those two states and so you appreciate it because they talk a lot about the topography of places that you've been. Yeah so yeah. They're pretty interesting. yeah. I enjoy that. I'm i'm currently. Why just finished this book called. I'm blanking there's three of them. There's big red. There's outlaw red and a missing the first one. It's about irish setters and my wife's grandfather. He passed away a few years ago but he gave me this book before he passed away. And he's you know you just kind of said he. We shared a common interest in hunting. And he knew that about me and he said. I think you'll like this book and i kind of looked at the book and there was there was a picture of a mountain lion on back of it and okay put it on the shelf and i never really. I didn't look at it again for a few years. And i just kind of i didn't write it off but it's just you know again. Books books on the shelf will then. I finally picked it up after. It was after just talking to you about some books when when i was out there and i came home and i started reading this and i dove in. And wouldn't you know. This book was about grouse dogs and rough grouse-hunting way more than i could have imagined and i just kinda wild just knowing that my my wife's grandpa he you know he. He knew me to know that. I would like that book and helpful. So i've been through some books lately. Yeah shoot me a link on that one for sure man I'd like to read the. I'll tell you i love to read and you know a classic and we talk about this. The whole show. But a classic is Pheasants lined that. That's just a classic book if you should grab that one just a bunch of short stories about pheasant hunting and so that really touched me as fezzan hundred and then honestly man if you if you like those kinds of books anything that ernest hemingway wrote. You're gonna like so. Yeah i i've i've got the entire series of books that he wrote and it's just they're great. They're great great books. So i've got my wife actually has a couple of books. And she's always pushing them on me and i. I haven't spent enough time with hemingway. So i'm writing that down as a as a good reminder. Yep yeah he was a big hunter and fisherman and you know and he was you know he wrote about being in wars and you know of course old man and the sea and i mean. He's got so many classics. I used to as a deer hunter. I used to bring one of his books up on the stand and do a lot of reading. you know. probably why didn't shoot that many deer back in the day. You know. I i recall i actually recall before i shot a buck a couple of years ago. That's not my biggest. It was my biggest block. It's nothing to brag home about but it's a it was a nice eight point buck. In at the time i was i was pretty jazzed up about it and i still am. I am looking at his antlers right now but i remember it was a beautiful opening morning in minnesota. I was sitting in the tree. Stand and i was so happy i mean. I love reading in the deer. Stand when it's warm enough that i'm not freezing and i just remember being like mid page and out of the corner of my eye looked to my left. And here's this. Buck sneaking along the swamp i i would have been able to see him for. Probably the previous. You know eighty to a hundred yards. But i was so buried buried in this book that he nearly got by me. But i was fortunately able to put my book down quietly enough and got the gun and ended up putting a bullet through them. Oh man that's cool. Yeah i mean if you're if you're quite enough sitting there reading a book is you know and unplug from technology and and just kind of get some alone time it's great. It's that's the one thing i do like about. Deer hunting. Got a muzzleloader tag. This year. And the first time. I've gotten in coda. So so i've already harvested a deer with my rifle tag but i'm out muzzle loading now. So it's kind of fun. We've had beautiful weather here so like last night. The i get out there hopefully around four o'clock and i've got an hour and twenty minutes alight and just sit on a hill and the grass and watch the world. Go by it's it's beautiful have you had a muzzle loader for a while or did you just go buy one. I'm i'm personally interested in this. Yeah i i've had a muzzle for fifteen or twenty years it's an wine have not shot a muzzle loader for over ten years. It's been sitting in my in my little gun room. And you know i had to get it out and make sure it was cleaned well and that it operated and that it was it was a targeting well and so i did all that kind of it was kind of fun to get back into it. Man it's kind of a fun a fun way to hunt. You know. I mean you're you're you. At least i feel uncomfortable outside of one hundred and fifty yards. I'd say it'd be my max so out here you you know. It's not like the big woods. Minnesota or wisconsin out here you could see for thousands of yards so you and they can see you by the way for thousand so it's a whole different strategy out here you know. There's the spot in stock thing is is for real. It's fun it really is fun. Yeah and that's that's really what's got me thinking about it because i have been a rifle deer hunter for a long time. I don't deer hunt a lot. But i thought about it every year and i enjoy it and i enjoy the deer camp tradition that. I'm i'm sure you're familiar with that. We have in this part of the world but Every derive shot has been under a hundred yards. And what i've been seeing lately especially with my family cabin over in wisconsin. Now the the rifle season over there. It's pretty chaotic. I mean there's people everywhere and that's i think that's part of rifle. Gun season in wisconsin. The deer getting pushed around and moved. And there's people doing derives and it's wild and it's just the more and more i kind of look at it and assess it. It's just not really my style. I rather would just kind of sit in the woods quietly by myself and these muzzle loaders. They've been improved and they're getting better. And i've just back on the woods grouse-hunting now during the wisconsin muzzleloader season. You know. there's hardly anybody in the woods. So i just think that would be more my style so i'm kind of looking at that for possibly next year. I think you'd have a blast with it especially since you guys really. Don't get more than hundred yard shot. So that i mean that's a perfect muzzleloader distance could set up for that. And i think you'd be in really good shape but it's really. It's really fun man. I mean i agree with you though. I am not into big group hunting. Even pheasant hunting. You know a lot of a lot of lodges out here. Do the big corporate haunts. You know when you and i together. What do we have three or four hunters in the whole more hunters. Yeah and to me. that's a nice size. I really liked that. And we and we try and limit that here on the cronkite farm to no more than eight you know. And that's it. I don't i don't go over eight guys and frankly when i hunt. Most of my huntings done just myself. Maybe with one other person you know so. That's to me the the fun the way to go. Yeah that was definitely something. I enjoyed about it. It wasn't It wasn't a huge group of people. And you could keep track of everybody and keep track of the dogs. And the way the landscape and senator cover cover lays out you know we had some. We had some really really nice hunts with with that small group of people yet. What why don't you tell everybody about your Prairie chicken and sharp dale hunting out here. Well that's what that was. You just segue for me. Because i was gonna ask you about the about the prairie chicken and sharp till season because as as you well know when i was headed out there. I've got this at the time she was. I think she turns six months old. When i was at your farm so she was okay. Five months and change and in my head. I'm thinking you know. I'd never pheasant hunt. Did i know the covers. Thicker and tougher and i know they really really liked to run. And i've got this young pointing dog and you know i don't know what she's going to do. But gosh if there were some sharp tells around you know. They're supposed to be grouped and they're skittish this time of year. But maybe maybe just maybe we could get get one pointed in. That would be cool for the pop in. You had told me that you were seeing more sharp tells than you'd seen in in really like your ten years of owning the farms at correct right. Yeah you know. Sharp hills and and perkins are indigenous to this area. You know they weren't introduced like pheasants and they know how to get through winters and and when we have a really nice winter and spring they explode and so this year we had that. And i have. I have seen in harvested more sharp sales and per chickens this year than i have since on the farm. It's been there if you want to go if you want to go hunt those two species. It's a great year to do it. You got a good chance of being successful. Yeah had you hunted. Sharp tales are chickens. Much at all previous to this year. I do every year. But it's more of an incidental to pheasant hunting. So you know. I will find them in the same covers as pheasant hunting and a sharp tail may get up here and there the the other way we have done it. When we've just gone for sharps is we find out where they're feeding and they're very religious about going back to the same field. It seems like for a long period of time. So when you find out where they're feeding they come in in groups to feed and you kinda sat up forum like you would've haunt on offense row or you know in some cover. Wait for to fly over your head because you find out where they were they roost and then you find out where they feed and you kind of get between them and that can be a lot of fun to you just waiting for some passing shots and i think we had you guys do that. One one time right. Yep we actually tried it. One night we myself and chat and will we we lined up on the fence and it i i should say i was gonna say nearly worked but i should say the plan did work greg. You had the birds dialed in to the point where you knew where they were coming from. You knew where they were gone and we were in the right spot and while we were sitting on the fence role i had some birds come near me. I didn't shoot at any chat. Got an opportunity. But i like to think of that evening as Was the perfect excuse to sit on that high hillside and look west. Basically into the sunset and It was one heck of a november evening. That's for sure goes beautiful that night. Absolutely beautiful yeah. Yeah and we actually when we got one we snuck in there we were. We didn't know exactly what time the sharp tells. We're going to start coming into the field but when we got in there i think you spotted of flock of about ten fifteen tills that came down and landed in that cut sunflower feed and we actually walked up on those and there had been probably sixty to seventy sharp sales in and they big groups of sharp man that was jail so the one thing i kept commenting on i was commenting on when those those big groups of sharp tells because i've i've used to seeing a little bit more like the you know the ones twos and i've been in september i've been pretty close to some groups of ten to fifteen where they'd get up and you can hear them but when a big group of sharp tells like that takes to wing just the air the air movement that you can hear from their wings was just astonishing to me. It was really cool. That's yeah that's that that is really really cool and you they. They do have different sound to them when they are flying versus fastened. So it's yes. I think they're fun. I i actually really really enjoy going out for sharp sales and it's a little bit more difficult with my flushing dogs okay. Yeah they're they're really made for what you had yet. An english setter right. Yep english setter. And they're made more for a point in my mind if you're going to be a purist. They're made more for appointing dog a big grass field or a grassy knoll or whatever and going out and sniff them out and pointing and going up and shooting. But we've figured us flushing guys figured out. How haunt him. A little bit too. So we've done pretty well with them. So yeah no. That's that's i mean. Hey you you know the birds live you. Can you can go hunt him. Any which way. And you've got the advantage there. In when i come out in early season in september and i all i have is grass in front of me to go rely on my dogs to help me out so for sure for sure now but that was. That was a lot of fun. I mean to get to see some different kinds of hunting and and again. I don't know if that would be the same everywhere. We we pretty much saw your property. You did You put us into some public walking access nearby which we went to and we found sharp sales and pheasants So that was fun to hunt a little bit of a publicly accessible. South dakota land to right but just the way that that year property setup with the grass and then the really specific tree rows and milo strips just again back to that those edges and the biodiversity. I mean it's all there so it was. It was really surprised to see the birds where we did. Yep now we've we've spent a lot of are a lot of people spend their time around here trying to figure out how to make more money on their ground. How do they get an extra row corn. Or whatever like i'm the opposite i try and figure out how do i create more habitat in this piece of ground you know and certainly i mean money comes into play because you've got to pay your taxes and but i get a lot more pleasure out of figuring. How do we make this you know. A world world-class Breeding hunting place for for wild upland birds. Yeah i should say that you know hunting the walking access the public stuff it was. I actually enjoyed that experience. Because i got to see a piece of ground that wo- i appreciated the fact that it was private land opened a public access. And there were birds there but it was nothing like your property which has been cultivated and manage for bird habitat and that was evident in both the cover and the bird numbers so it was good to see those kind of contrasting and really see what you know. A property owner can do. If they're interested in doing so and got the whole. If you build it they will come like that. Was that was so evident you in walking around your farm greg. Yeah oh thanks. Yeah you know and that that is really interesting that you're you're very observant sir. That is very interesting. Well now. I mean because you're you're haunted in the pilot in the in the in the public land. You know we've got some really. We've got some really good public land. Here right we. I actually still hunt public land once in a while number one just so i can see something besides my own ground right. I just like to go out and hunt something different and then the other thing is when you harbor something there you know you feel like you won. you know. it's not like you're not seeing. Yeah yeah you're not seeing ten flushes every twenty minutes you work for that flush right so you feel like you feel like you accomplished something so anyway. I still even do that. You haven't had on the farm we have here. It's a it's a lot of fun. Yeah that was again i. I was super appreciative to be able to see and experience at night. I was just talking to tyler webster earlier this week. Actually and i know that he was just hanging out at your a little bit and we talked about how how much fun both of us had at different times down in that part of the world and we talked about half next year trying to try to plan a trip there basically just due to some of the public lands that you've got nearby the opportunity of course on your farm so i'm really excited to to revisit. The south dakota upland bird hunting and to kind of put a bow on my little trip. There i was again. I walked away from it with Get spend some time with you. And we've realized that we had even more in common than we than we thought you know with her. Our passion for books and bulldogs hockey upright hunting. But i got to shoot my first wild pheasants. My six month old puppy at the time. She did point her first rooster. She pointed her for sharp tail. I missed a sharp till which. I was heartbroken over but it was on all hell hell of a trip at cronkite farm. Hey t tell tell your puppy to get used to it man when you miss something like that. You know exactly. Yeah i miss greg i. I was out hunting last night. Actually and actually. Just i gotta go pro because again. I was talking to tyler. And i was ready to dive back into the world of go pros and start experimenting with a little bit of this just as a way to kind of capture some of these moments that happened in the field and some wearing this gopro and i go out and my puppy she points grouse. I walk in. It was the ideal scenario. It doesn't happen this way all the time but she went on point ever moved. I walked all the way in. I saw her on point. It looked like a spot where there was a grouse. If he was there he was caught. I mean it was pretty open. Yeah and so. I circled around in front of her and sure enough. This grouse takes off about as open of a shot as you're going to get a rough grouse and bang bang. Missed him twice. He kept flying. And i you know. I hang my head as i always do. It's a regular occurrence to miss a rough growls. Well i felt. I was kind of like how did i miss. That guy. Assumed i made a bad gun. Mount and i may have. But when i got home and i was reviewing the footage is it but there was hardly any trees in the way but i shot when the grouse shot two quick when he was going behind this first tree and you can see in the video. I got a really big piece of this first tree and then my second shot was not nearly as good and but i shot again when this girl was behind to trees. Oh wow it looked like. He was flying through the wide open. But sure enough i shot. When he was behind about the only two trees he could have got behind. Sounds more like it should be a cat that just lost two of its lives man. You know. I mean that that's a that's a lucky astros. I'd like to think so. But i've seen myself shoot it. It is amazing to me that you can send a pattern of shot out there and you like to think that it's this effective thing but boy you can really put it in the wrong spot. I'll tell you what the as much as i shoot and have shot over the years and i like to tell you nick. I'm an old guy you know compared to you but you know i've got a lot of birds and shot a lot of shotguns and i consider myself and okay shot not. I'm not in tyler webster's geno lofty abilities. That guy's unbelievable. But i'm i'm a pretty good shot and i can't believe some of the birds that i miss that. Get up like right next to me and they just happened to go the right way or or whatever i just. It's amazing. I always and this is a really sad commentary because you almost remember the ones you miss sometimes more than the ones that you get. Oh yeah. I mean it's it's like okay. You should let that go greg. Just let it go do that resonates with me. Because i'll tell you what that lasts morning. We were there. And i miss that till that. My little puppy pointed. I was thinking about that my entire ten hour. Drive home greg. Yeah now man. It was cool. And we'll definitely get we're gonna get you and and hopefully aj out next year and chat and we'll get a nice little group going here and we can use the lodges a base and we could do some public land stuff and and do the cronkite farm stuff and it would be a nice fun hunt. Yeah absolutely well. Before we wrap this upgrade we definitely wanna talk a little. Bit about dakota twenty three and i'd like to Have you give us just a little bit about that. We kind of touched on twenty twenty being a challenging year out earlier this year. So maybe maybe give us Give us a sense of kind of if you've if you've had any speed bumps in the road and they got a new website. Got a new look for dakota twenty-three got some exciting stuff going on. Yeah sure thanks nick. Yeah i mean we're listen. This is as i said earlier. This has been a weird year. But it's it's been really difficult to launch new products this year because one of the ways we do that is through trade shows. Guess what all the trade shows were cancelled and and even going into twenty one as you know. Shot show in vegas was cancelled. A in january pheasant. Fest was cancelled in february. You know and it's we're just kind of saying okay. What do we do next. How do we. How do we promote. And what do we. How do we get in front of people and people are going to see more and more products. Come out from us. That are not only but tailgate related. So you know we're excited to expand products and we've been working diligently to do that. Awesome well in the in the world of the dakota to eighty three kennel. We've still got the g. three kennel. That's the kennel that the upland bird hunter would be looking at Know the things that we've kind of gotten the pipeline. You want me to talk about that a little bit as much as you would like to disclose but yet there's anything we want folks to be kind of looking forward to in twenty one. Let's hear it. Yeah so we're you know. I think i mentioned this to you before but we are. We continue to work on the g four so the next the next generation of of our of our kennel. We're hoping for a first court. Calendar your quarter launch on that we are working on a forever insert for And you're familiar with the for those who don't know what a forever answered is. We have an insert that goes into the medium g threes. Right now so when you buy a puppy you can buy this insert and you could put. This insert a create smaller spaces for puppies because puppies really liked to be in smaller kennels. So what it allows you to do is buy the puppies forever kennel because they have an insert that will collapse and grow with the size of the puppy. So we did that with the with the mediums. And it's done really well. I mean breeders. Love it because now they can recommend a kennel with this insert. That people can buy one time and they don't have to buy different size. Kennels as the puppy grows so or crates. So that's done so well we're gonna come out with a an insert for the large and the extra large units so the forever is going to expand its breath. You know we're looking at things like assessories. We hope to come out with our own insulated cover for the winter. We hope to come out with our own dog pad for our kennels in our own ratchet straps so those are the three assessories. We're we're looking at right now. The other thing that we've been asked to do by a lot of people that i feel is really important. We've done a lot of internal testing on our crates for impact. And we've had the rollovers. You know nate achey right your friends with a. You've met hundred with nate anyway. Nate had an actual rollover with his truck with a dakota and everybody was safe and sound especially the dog inside a panel. So we've had a couple of those kinds of events but what we're trying to do early next year is. We're building a lot of our own testing equipment. That could be recordable data. So i think this is going to be real important for those people who are data driven out there to see how are to see how our kennels actually perform from impact and a data perspective so we hope to be able to share those numbers with everybody here in the first quarter as well and we've got a bunch of other things kind of in the concept stage right now but we're gonna continue to innovate and honestly man. I mean a lotta. These ideas come from from people who buy our products. And and frankly friends of dakota like nick. You've come up with some some thoughts on what you'd like to see. You're on the next generation and we take that stuff seriously man. I mean we. We really like to try and develop things that people want in their kennels. Definitely appreciate that. And i think i think folks appreciate getting somebody like you on greg. The year at the head of the company. And you're listening and you're talking to the project upland audience so i think that's that's pretty evident and on that note. Where should folks go to. I learn more about dakota twenty three checkups kennels check out the products and then beyond that if they let's say they do have some feedback or some thoughts. What should they do in that case. Okay so the shameless plug right here. We go yes. Yes so to find out more about dakota to eighty three. Just go to. Www dot dakota to eighty three dot com. People can reach me at greg at good ideas. Inc dot com. Good ideas is the parent company to To dakota those are the two places you can get a hold of us. You know if we do take some nick. I'll throw this into. We do take some paid. Hunts out at the crockett farm so we had mostly repeat business but once in a while we have a haunt open up we only take six or seven hundred a year and then we shut it off but if you want to reach out to me or take a look at the firm it's www cronkite farm dot com perfect. I'll consider that a rap. I wanna thank you very much for joining on the product. Upland podcast again. And i said it before but i'll say it again. Greg appreciate you. Having me and chet in the in us out there to cronkite farms in november it was an absolute blast in looking forward to to hopefully paying another visit there. I hope hope the rest of twenty twenty goes well for you and really excited about twenty. Twenty one for you and dakota nick. It is my pleasure sir and you are more than welcome to come back but the comes with a price and the price is going to be. I've got to get my first rough grouse. And i am going to hit you up this fall to try and get that done. Consider it a done deal buddy. Okay all right bud. All right thanks again. Yup thanks greg. Cruciate it all right. Cnx thanks for tuning into the project. Upland podcast quick reminder that this episode was brought to you by on x. hunt eukanuba premium performance dog food. Cc usa shotguns. Gum leaf usa. Dr callers espn hearing protection trinity kennels and dakota to eighty three kennels. Don't forget to visit project dot com to read. Watch listen to more great up honey content and please if you enjoyed this episode of the show. Leave the podcast. A rating and review. That really helps us out and it helps more people find the show. Thanks again for letting everybody to catch on the next episode of the project the podcast.
Ep 61: Answering Your Questions, Part 11
"Meters original fishing series is back season. Two of daas boat dose boat is now live on the meter youtube channel season two brings with it a new boat. To Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota follow along to see some of your favorite people return as well as getting some new faces we guarantee there's good fishing, bad ideas and a great time. So head over to the mediator Youtube channel right now, new episodes lodge. Every Sunday at eleven am mountain time make sure to subscribe to the channels. So you don't miss out a new episodes along with the other series that will be watching this fall. Hunting season is here and so we're new episodes of meter meter season nine part one is now available on Netflix. She's nine has some bad acid ventures vol steve as he heads to Colorado Texas and Wyoming and the just know what you think of the new season. We always love hearing from fellow mugs head over to Netflix's to check out season nine part one and don't worry more episodes of coming season nine part two you will arrive in early twenty, twenty one and we'll share those launch details as we get closer. As a guide and Hunter I've spent thousands days in the field. This show is about translating hard one experiences into tips and tactics bill get you closer to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Romy Warren this is cutting the distance. Welcome back cutting the Disney's nation. I'm your host revie war. In today we're going to the mailbox to answer your questions. that. I don't know where that came from just trying to switch it up. Some of these, some of these intros seem repetitive. So Throughout the whole radioman voice maybe guys like that. I don't know if you liked that let me know I'll just do the whole podcast in radium and voice. But what I WANNA do is this week we're going to be jumping into your questions as radio man said, heading to the Mailbox and Oh man I've got a just pile of success stories of just read a couple here Colin. Johnson says. Elk Party and it was over just picture of a big Old Bull Jason. Leroy says, thanks for podcast fifty, five I created a party and the biggest deal ever came in to join. You're completely changing my hunting world. Thank you. Thank you. Let me got one here from Rob Garrett. He says remmy loved the PODCAST. Thanks for putting them out. Put One of your mentioned tactics to work on this guy and helped me bring home at dream. Roosevelt. I laughed when you mentioned it on the podcast but I had nothing left in my bag of tricks after raking and Bugling I decided to take a leak on the ground. This gave me the one final bugle I needed to close the distance I think between all our elk series. I've just got so many messages here of success stories. Awesome. Photos thinking is so much for sending those in. They are incredible. I've had a trying to tally them up a little over fifty messages of just success pictures maybe sixty of success pictures first time out kills a lot a lot of them first time kills and most of them attributing success to one of the most recent podcasts I would say the number one tactic people pulling out this season elk party that tactic has just been gold and I myself elk partied a bowland this last week Gosh I was just calling for my buddy dusty. And I think in seven days i. don't even I just countless bulls within range. He is reserved hunting and we I don't know it was like one of the best weeks of elk hunting I've ever had and I don't know how we didn't shoot a bose like every bowl did not offer a shot. I'd say like a dozen bulls. Twenty yards or less. It's something like we call one three times and just no shots like fix stuff always stopping he had one bull five yards from him. And just thick stuff. No shot. So that just happens man you could have everything right? You could have a great situation and sometimes just no, no shot no opportunity but really good elk season so far in a lot of people sharing their success in using a lot of these tactics and they're obviously tactics that I use myself. So I love hearing that. Thank. You guys. Let's jump into a few these questions here. I've got a list of them this week we're going to be talking about a whole bunch of different stuff. We got some upland stuff some different species, a Lotta questions on camping gear, and all the good things that are involved with hunting all the questions that you guys have. So let's jump in right year. Since, we're talking elk. Let's keep some of these questions going and then we'll jump into some other stuff. The first one this is from Tyler. He says here, rummy loved the podcast I grew up hunting whitetail slug hunting in Minnesota, and now live in Montana leading how to Western. Begin Game Hunt Your podcast has been extremely helpful. One question I had was about calling elk in rifle season. November time. Being after the mostly is there any utility in using calls this time your or is it more spot in stock at this point? Thanks again for your help tyler. That's a great question. I always have up calls with me no matter time of year. So from archery season through you even late season December, whatever all have calls with me, the use of those outcomes changes. So by the time November hits, you aren't unless I mean I have randoms random story of bugling bull in November super super rare? Yarn probably GONNA call elk in unless it's a certain scenario that time year. But you want those out calls because yes, it's going to be a spot in stock game. However, those out calls will be used primarily to stop elk. If you bump elk I would say ninety nine point nine, nine percent of the time. If, you hit that out call like a cal cal or even a bugle leader season as long as there's not a lot of other hunters, you the loud noise might draw to your location. It will stop those elk and I use it constantly. As I'm walking through timber or maybe making noise or getting close to elk I have that cal called out and I might just do those soft cow causes I'm walking sometimes you might get a response from another cow or just put elk it ease if here's something moving through the woods. So those calls are effective all year long, but they're like intentions in purpose change. So normally I use them later for stopping elk primarily and then as just a calming technique or as I moving through sometimes a little bit. Of location with the cow call. But very rarely. Now, if I have a scenario where I see like alone cow I'm cal hunting or whatever I might be able to draw that cow to my location using a cow call but generally just for spooking out. So as a moving in a lot of times, I have that calculator just at hand because the second if I if I mess up or the something happens, I, need to get a quick shot or even after you shoot man uses tactic when a guy shoots. I just wrench on the couch because they the hear that sound that makes them curious. They stopped they WANNA look almost every time I'd say pretty much every time so. Definitely, still use calls, but you won't be calling him in like September. This next question comes from Josh. She says how do you choose your camp area when you're out hunting? I. I got a lot of questions about that. You know a lot of people asking, okay. What's too close to my hunting area? How do I decide where to camp? You know it depends on where you're hunting. If you're if you're going to be a hunting based out of, let's say what I call it truck camping where you're camping off the road and the day hunting different areas I like to pick a camp the central to a lot of different places close to where I'm hunting but also good access to other places that I'm going to be going on. Maybe you're GONNA this one trail one day and another another day. So just having good access is a great way to choose your camp location after. Packed in a lot of people get worried about camping too close to the animals. Yeah. I mean I I definitely wouldn't pitch my camp right in the area were they're feeding to kind of keep it a little ways away and obviously down wind depends on how you're going to be camping as well. Like if you're going to be I, would say like low impact camping where you're BIVOUAC hunting, you're just kind of camping you stop you can camp a lot closer stay quiet at night you don't build a big fire you know hoop it up. then. You don't have to be so far away I. Mean you could be within a half mile quarter mile maybe even near. The Ridge below where the animals are hanging out as long as you're just kind of keeping yourself and not really disturbing that area. Now when you're talking about maybe just picking a specific spot for a camper tent or other things. It can be difficult sometimes I mean I go through that to her I'm like out hiking are like, okay is this a good spot camp? Here's what I look for I look for a flat spot I. Look for something tucked out of the Wind I look for a safe place where I definitely do not ever pitch a camp in burned areas with trees around you better off being out in the open. If there's like a lot of timber potential for trees to fall or trees if you've got some kind of shelter. To keep you out of the wind but definitely live trees you just WanNa be thinking of those things and then anywhere that might be protected from the prevailing winds is always good but it's not always possible. You know I never really set my camps up on Ridge lines are ridge tops want it just gives away your position maybe maybe there are some good animals around where you're at. So try to keep a low profile when I set up my camp, but first off looking for a flat spot and then I extrapolate out a good camp site from there. Got a question here from Brian Roads Small Game Question. He says just started binge listening to your podcast while I'm at work seven or eight hours a day that's what I like to hear. All Day every day. So he says I know your. Check your hunt. He's I can't do big game this year due to back surgery a few months back. But her when my favorite while gamed, eat counting down until I can chase chucker in southern California without a dog will love some tips or just cheer checker hunting stories. Thanks for sharing your Info. Yeah I think that's that's a great suggestion. I'll definitely probably hit on some checker hunting stuff in the future for those that don't know checker just A. Type of Partridge and where I hunt them in Nevada even we're Bryan probably hunts I'm here in southern California, there's places in Utah and Idaho man it's it's a rugged rough hunt about like hunting wild sheep. You're chasing these birds around they jump far they they run a lot. They can be difficult to find and you put on some serious miles and some serious countries. So that has the recipe for everything I, like and a grew up doing it. For. A long time I hunted them a lot without a dog. and. I would say a few things. Few tips I mean obviously get those boots broke in. You're going to be putting a lot of miles on they generally like to run up from down below the water in the bottoms run up to the tops. So I picked those like top roosting. And try to pick those areas where like the rough terrain the more checker you find that just happens to be how it works after I, bust them up I, use my voice to call lot try to relocate them and using my ears lot. So practice making that chucker sound that. I senator annoying over this microphone but. Getting that chucker sound out there and getting it to echo through the can you'll start hearing them trying to group backup as they grew backup and you can follow in there when I get close if I don't have a dog I'll actually use my binoculars a lot. So if I don't have a dog, I'm glossing lot trying to see him hopping on. Rocks and other places and also calling. So those are some really good tactics. If you don't have a dog to help you find him to to getting close and then as get in close I actually sneak because I don't want him jumping early. If I know it's a big group to if that I, won jumps up just out of range don't shoot. Would try to get closer. I realized that when I'm hunting other things and I jumped chucker I ended up getting a lot closer to the big covey then taking a long bomb on the singled jumps early. SO THAT'S A. Little bit of a helpful tactic if you got one or two that jump and you know there's more. Don't take those long shots because then you're going to get the rest of the flock to jump to far out be patient getting close in and make some good jump some good shots. Next question comes from Bradley grow. He says era me what you do in heard every podcast you have, I do have a question I drew a late-season Archery Tag Arizona. I've heard some of your tips for locating them but was wondering if you have any tips for closing the gap, I've hunted deer throughout the West understand spot stock. Is there anything you would add to hunting elk in the late season? Thanks for all that you do? that. That's a great question I. Know Those late season Elkins especially with a bow can be difficult but it's a good tag to have because it's a little bit easier to get some of those tags and some good areas. There's a lot of a lot of areas around actually have some season hunts and actually for Arizona I would say we'll anywhere for for late season. What I would probably do is mostly plan on it's it's all going to be spot and stock but I plan on glasses in the mornings watching where they go then get into a position very close to where they went midday and kind of a technique of stalking and ambushing simultaneously where. You can't see where they went into maybe setting up where they might go or come out to and then planning your stock as they're moving into feed for the evenings. Another good option is if you can see one bedded, that's that's a great time to stock abol. Out of elk deer, antelope, elk, or probably the easiest animal to to stock because they don't necessarily care about sound as much. Late season, those bulls might be broken off on their own so they might just be solitary. There are big animal when they're bedded they can be fairly easy to creep on. I mean I'm not saying it's easy but between elk deer antelope I if someone's like you have to stock one and you got to be successful Jews elk because they. Can Get away with a lot more. Now, you just have to obviously watch the wind watch there is but if you've got a solitary bowl or maybe a group ables embedded, that's going to be your best opportunity if they're betting and really thick stuff you know try that combination of spotting them in the morning and then trying a a combo ambush stock in the evenings if that works if you can't relocate them in and make a good stock on a known location of that elk. All right we're. GonNa travel down to Texas. We got a access to your question. This one comes from Jeffrey. I'm just GonNa, Kinda paraphrase here. But essentially what he's got going on is he's got small piece of property maybe forty acres and he's GonNa start hunting it with a reeker curve he's got some access deer that are coming in, but he says he's he stocks several bucks within forty yards and had some wonder by about that close. He just needs them closer because he's re curve hunting wanted. To know if I have any tips or tricks on how to get within distance under those circumstances now he can't really stock because it's smaller piece of property and it keeps bumping off but also he set up in the just don't seem to be going to a specific place. So he wants to know if I found a good way to call them or to help get them closer. Access deer hunting is becoming. More and more popular, and if you have something like that where maybe you got a small piece of property and this this go for deer hunting whitetail hunting, whatever I mean there's a Lotta places in this country where you don't have big tracks public land, you got hunt smaller little pieces. So in ambush tactic is going to be your best bet kind of creating some kind of pattern with the animal whether it's white tails whether it's access to your figuring out when they come to where the are what is it they like are they betting there? Are they feeding there? Are they just traveling through identifying that trying to explain that now with access deer in particular? I do actually call them quite a bit and I use my l. calls. For, that cow call mostly they make a chirp sound like. And that can maybe help entice them your way access to your do kind of year round. So if you hear some, they don't necessarily bugle they more squeal like. Man I'm making a lot a horribly enacted animal noises podcast but that Sound of an access your buck. kind of sounding like their form of Bugle once you hear it, you actually try to mimic that I've called them in with my voice, but that cow call works pretty good if you don't have diaphragm call, honestly the Hoochie Mama guess premiums makes me wherever that push button L. Call works pretty good for access deer. Another tactic that I've found that works pretty solid is like a fun in distress call. So with that is is that's the sound of. A fawn maybe is is in danger or deer, and what happens is access to your herd animal. So if in the right conditions, they may run in and try to charge whatever's on that animal to get it away and so blowing that call, you could possibly have them run into your location and those work on other animals. I've used deer in distress calls with success, and there's kind of two reactions they either run away or they running to you. I've used them on mule deer in southwest's primarily like desert meal down in Arizona. I've actually used early season and some Nevada locations as well. black tails. I've used a distress call of use it on White teals does a couple times as well. So the there are calls for a lot of different types of deer that aren't just meeting causes. Distress calls can work pretty good. They also worked pretty well unhappily if you have a chance for those especially being down in Texas. Maybe that's something you might have running around as well. 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I just listen to your meat care and transportation podcast and got ask what about the hard sided coolers in? Dia, dudes with two big ASS coolers to slip L. Come in all the time did the fly the empty N. by them in town after successful harvests I might have missed it but have to know. A great question. So I think what he's saying is obviously what he's saying is in the airport, you know you see these guys come back from all and wherever Denver wherever, and just you know like hard sided coolers I've done that in the past where I I would just essentially buy cheap coolers after successful somewhere like good walmart by cheap cooler flight home, I just ended up with a cooler. Graveyard cheap cougars that were just garbage. So I stopped doing that I felt like it was fairly wasteful quite expensive and that's why I started using the off site coolers because I got a lot more uses out of them throughout the year now that you can't use the coolers throughout the year but they just didn't this get and a had some really good yeti coolers that I take on trips so. Some guys will fly with their coolers like pack their gear gearing the cooler fly with it. It's bulky. It can be. It just depends on how remote your owner where you're flying or kind of you know if you rent A. Car and you've got all your you and your buddies gear in coolers in rental car doesn't work that. Well. So a Lotta guys ended up buying later I don't necessarily think that's necessary I I, mean I've found that the soft sided coors were just as well or I mean even just like meet boxes were good like wax boxes. Putting something in there and just making sure it's something that's not gonNa leak but the hard site cooler does work as well, and for most airlines, you can actually put dry ice in there. I can't remember if I mentioned that or not. But if you got hard sided cooler events, it has event you've got to have that vent open, but you can pack. Dry Ice in there as long as you label it and check with your airline regulations but that's another great way to do it. So I guess if I, missed talking about that that's definitely also another option when you're traveling is to just pick up some coolers after you're successful rolling whatever. But I think it's just better to arrive with your own stuff. Or have kind of like A. Another. Plan on like the recent care behind us like a Yeti Panga, which is just a big dry bag I froze my meat, put it in that bag, and then just I actually had some of the things in there with it and then just check the frozen and everything came back home frozen and that's just like a light way to do it just a large. Dry Bag instead of a cooler, the bottom of the planes pretty cold as long as it's frozen. Ahead of time you'RE GONNA be fine for the majority of a day. Especially, if you're flying on an airline has some kind of cold storage which I did talk about a little bit. So lots options just kind of pick the one that works for you and go with it. All right. I got a lot of questions on this same topic. So definitely going to cover it. This comes from will rogers. He says any advice on hunting spike elk I have a spike tagging Utah and interested if you have anything on that, it's a rifle hunt starts October third goes till the Fifteenth Love Your content. Thanks. Yeah. So you know you think about a lot of areas may have different tags. Some areas might be bull only tags some areas are. Tagged Tag, some areas, her brow Tine Bull, which you know a browser coming off the lower third of the horn or some tags might be spiked tags. I would say areas that offer spike tags often are in this kind of a general rule I don't know about the place you're hunting, but often places offers spike tags in limited entry units for will be considered maybe trophy bowl. So an area that's kind of hard. To draw, they'll throw out some spike tags because they've got maybe too many bulls, but they don't want to shoot that higher age class because there's guys with a lot of points have been waiting a long time. They're managing it for trophy potential good age class. So kind of help the population and maintain the age structure, they offer a few spike tags or maybe like the counter spike tags, cow tags, things like that. So you actually have a really good opportunity to harvest a bull in those areas because the get pressured a lot less. The hard part might be sometimes finding spike. So you have to understand like spikes are bulls, but they act more like a Combo Bulls and cows with that means is they still like to be in those big groups especially in the beginning of October, they're still going to be grouped up. so as everything's reading spikes like to be in the action, just like the Bulls but they're kind of a little standoffish. So you'll find spikes on their own. The also find spikes in those big groups at cows I would focus on two things early. So focused on finding the cows because those groups in the spikes will probably be there another tactic is. Spikes can be pretty easy to call in and they they can respond. If you see alone spike throat from cal calls some stuff like that as you're hunting and especially early October, you probably call a few in now obviously same tactics as anything else glossing lots going to really help you find where the elk. And there's no real specific place that spikes will hang out different than maybe your bigger bulls but you should concentrate on those areas where there's a lot of cows because they'll probably be there now later in the season spike. So actually I've seen groups of spikes of like fifteen sixteen spikes. But generally as it gets later, most cow groups will have spiker to in it. So start finding elk and you're GonNa Start Finding those spikes and that's that's a good way to whereas those bulls might pull off later in the season and be off on their own the spikes, your actually probably GonNa Polian and start joining with those groups that they've been hanging out with since the Rut. All right we've a couple of gear questions here. So Sheen Tyler says I've got a gear related question for you. What tripod would you recommend for glancing my vanguard took crap on me this past week and I'm looking for a new one I can't remember if you've covered this topic and your podcast, not if you don't mind giving me a recommendation at really appreciate it. Yeah I mean I've used a lot of different tripods over the years couple that really kind of stand out to me. This funny because actually the tripod that I use mostly is one that I picked up at Costco for like eighty bucks ten years ago and they don't even make them anymore. By only say that because just the might tripod use for what I do when I'm solo hunting and self filming I like like a ball head, but it's not necessarily the best for glasses and other things. So the TRIPODS that I use may not even be the ones that I suggest because if you're just using it for hunting, I think there's a lot of really good hunting tripods at better features couple that probably come to mind. The most outdoorsman has some great options. It's their aluminum super durable They've got a couple of different PAN head option or like a pistol grip. If you like the pistol grip, they also have a pistol grip with like a pan. Affect. US that one a lot I use the the shorter, the smaller one I can't remember exactly which model it is but I use that whenever the years a lot and because I really like their mounting system for the binoculars which can go on any tripod as well but they're binoculars mounting system is like I think the best one out there hands down. Another Tripod I've used a lot is the the vortex ones I mean I work with vortex and use their optic? So I get access to their a lot of their tripods as well. There's some pretty good tripods like I think the one that I use the most would be the the summit that when I use quite a bit and I've actually got to test I don't even know. If. I'm allowed to talk about it but I've been testing a new one that is going to replace my old tripod that I'm pretty stoked about I. Don't know when that's GonNa come out to throw out teasers but pretty stoked on that hope they don't get in trouble for mentioning it, but it's been fun testing it because it's probably one of the best tripods have tested in a while so. Pretty stoked on that. Are This question I actually don't know comes from for some reason, the names not here, but it's a good question. So says I know most of the questions you have have to do with the main three elk deer yellow. My question is when hunting desert sheep are there different tactics used for looking PLAC-. Might Start Search. I with compared to the other three he drew a desert you. Tag in Nevada and even though it's not a Ram, he's pretty excited to have a chance to chase these awesome animals and wants to use the experience to learn more. So when one day maybe gets Aram Tag, he's been sheep hunting before that's awesome. Idea I mean finding any kind of desert she can be difficult sometimes or easy. It just depends if you're looking in the right area so. You WanNa find those good bandages. Desert sheep country is very open. So you're gonNA find I would say the first place the scout is finding those glasses areas where you can cover a lot area it wants now there's a couple of different types of desert sheep habitat. The first is like more mountainous. So you're going to be probably glossing from basis glossing up if the mountain than the other option is the more broken country where you're going to be going on the top and then checking the fingers below if you can get at the bottom and look up into the mountains, that's GonNa be key another key thing. Is Anything in the desert got to focus on one of their favorite things and that's going to be water. So sheep used terrain as cover a you know they aren't going to be going embedding trees mostly analyst. Some areas are a little bit different, but they're using train is cover. So the more rugged rocky stuff that's used to be to be protected kind of keep their lamb safe. So they're going to be in some of those more higher peaks, but they're also going to be around water sources. So locating those water sources and then that's where I would start my search and then kind of spreading out from their. His question comes from Braxton Hell. Stern, he says I have a question on gear. Wait I've been backpacking only life and was raised with boy scout idea of be prepared or in backpacking bringing stuff. You probably don't need this year he's been trying to shed down on pack weight and size I'm wondering if I can get some tips on shedding wait budget. Friendly of possible as I'm in college what would you say people bring that they don't need and what are some things you would recommend spending more money on to get smaller lighter versions of this can be related to rifle western hunting gear or just backpacking camping gear. That's a great question. I've spent a lot of time a lot of years kind of honing. The pieces in my in my country kit, and I tried to get the lightest best stuff possible in over the years has taken a lot of years to gain up some of that stuff. As always looking for discount things lighter stuff I would say the first most important if you're gonNA spend any amount of money on backpacking gear, the number one top thing I would recommend is a pack. Like, expensive packs are expensive because they're good generally and getting a lighter pack. You can still carry a lot of weight like that's the most uncomfortable touch. Point of the whole process is something to carry it in. So it's uncomfortable. So you want to get something that's comfortable. You WanNa get something. It's a little bit lighter but makes the felt weight seem reduced. So really good pack is key plus for hunting application, you're using it to get in and you're also using it to carry your meat out. So high quality pack is if I'm going to spend money on something, that's where I'm investing my money the other stuff I, can figure out later The second thing I would say would be like a sleeping bag because. Lightweight but warm is what you want, and there's can be a big difference in like pack ability size wise. I like to go if I mentioned it before I use down, I've used synthetic in the past I've I've completely switched my philosophy I used to be on all synthetic guy and looking for lightweight really warm synthetics. But now I've gone to that downside because I just find it packs better it's smaller takes up less size and his a lot lighter for the amount of warmth you get. In and those are probably I would say the two main things. The other part of that question was things that people bring to much of us want to shed weighed on your pack I. I know for a fact, bring too many clothes. You need to have the clothes you wear something warm and some rain gear. I mean I've seen so many people bring an extra pair of pants. I mean here's what I have is I have a warm if it's leader season or whatever I've got a warm shirt, a base layer, my pants outer layer. Then I have for warmth puffer jacket and rain gear and beanie gloves, and that's what I have and maybe for like on how many days. You're going I've got a couple of extra pairs of socks and maybe an extra pair of underwear. If I'm going for a week, I know it sounds disgusting. But you don't need like doubling up on things that you probably won't use. So that's just some like right there immediate way to make it lighter. If you're going to double up on anything I, double up on like a flashlight. So I have a head lamp and then I have like a hand held flashlight that's a higher team. So for finding your way out in the dark, if you've got not necessarily for finding out in the dark but checking those. Heavily, only works for I'd say close situations and I can use that longer light or one of those lights goes down. It's nice to have a little bit of a backup or if you're with a buddy, his his dies here, go to here's an extra. So that's something I was like, okay if you're going to have a little extra something but I generally. Try Not to double up on things or find a multiple uses for a lot of different year that you have. So thinking critically about your gear, and if you go I've said it before. But if you go on a trip, you have something in your pocket you're like man, I haven't used the Senate trip or to don't bring like you probably don't need. Until you need it and then you'll wish that you had it but you'll still probably get by so you begin. All right. So this last question here comes from Andrew it's as Harumi for your podcast I have enjoyed since it first aired on a fourth season. Colorado deer tag this fall in love in Georgia could you give any tips for using slash wind to use snow chains on your truck in late season conditions? I'm not sure what road conditions would warrant chains verse just for Real, drive. Thank you. That is an excellent. Question and I honestly think that'll all. There's a lot of things that have to do with vehicles and types of things you need in your vehicle. When you come out West on one hunt, it's big country, a lot of its remote a lot of the roads are rugged and rough. There's maybe things that in your area you aren't used to every year. I am in some way assisting somebody with out of state plates. In like their vehicle assisting either pulling them out either having to cut down a tree, fix it like there's just so many things that I think a lot of people are unprepared for and that's why I think this is a really good question. So if you want the answer this question, you're gonNA have to listen to next week's podcast because next week I'm actually going to be talking about the twenty top items that you have to have in your vehicle to hang out west things you're going to need for recovery and ways to use them how to use them if your area that. You've grown up in doesn't necessarily have the same conditions that match out here for driving and just offering travel. So next week it's going to be all over landing while hunting. I definitely think that you're GONNA WANNA listen to that because there's GonNa be some stuff that this is just a public service announcement that I realized over the years and especially like I feel like I've seen a lot of people this year in situations that they just weren't prepared for. So before you come out here, I'm going to help get you prepared for the things you need to have in your vehicle next week. So until then keep getting after it keeps sending me your questions because we're going to keep compiling these over the course of the month, and then I'll do another QNA here coming up and also any like like I said, tips or things that you want to hear about topics. Those are always awesome to hear about because those eventually become podcast. So keep sending all that stuff in. You know you can reach out to me VIA INSTAGRAM AT ROMY Warren or Remmy at the meter dot com generally during the hunting season I'm probably using the instagram more often for questions because I'm kind of in and out doing these podcasts on the road in between hunts who knows like sometimes I'm doing him in the ten during the back of a truck or crazier I mean like a little cabin right now. So just keep those coming in any rates service I. Can I just screen shot him an answer those questions And then hopefully build out some topics that you guys want. Hear about. So thank you guys so much for listening and we'll catch you next week.
Ep. 237: A Face No Longer Attached
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PODCAST, you can't predict any of this. Presented by on X. Hunt creators of the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters load the hunt APP from the I tunes or Google play store nowhere you stand with annex. So cal, you I know people have been anxiously awaiting any sort of news on. Your theft yeah. You recover and all your things that were stolen from your house when you. Very judiciously. or or you know the opposite of that didn't shoot the people as as they still your stuff. But. You recovered some of it turned up. Yes. CAL stolen goods. Folks out there if you've been anxiously waiting for news of this, you were doing a lot better than I was. I just fully given up on anything but I got a couple of things happen I got a letter from the credit bureau letting me know that had been turned down for a Victoria's secret pink credit card. Due to. My credit being. Frozen. which is something I did. To prevent any sort of theft. Personal information to understand what you're talking about. So a bunch of my personal information was stolen. Right? So I was trying to refinance my play sand get all my taxes done. And that was just laying out and they just scoop that whole package up. took off with Oh and then they masquerading as you tried to get a Victoria's secret pink credit card correct I didn't know there was such thing neither did all the benefits are great and? So that was one thing that happened then and so I called Bozeman PD that was going on and then. A little while later. Are several months later this all happened back in March July fourth weekend. The Monday after July fourth weekend I, get a phone call from a bank in billings Montana. Saying Hey we have your passport here. Did you try to cash your check on Friday the nope. And they're like, yeah, we thought it was a little suspicious and when we said it was suspicious the folks trying to cash the check through the drive through just took off. Like okay. Then like. They have your passport land there. They had one of your checks. No they had. So they they had forged a check. From a local gas station. To me. Like, like a pay pay subject. Payment check. With my name on and then attempted to cash that using my passport as a valid ID. So. I was like, well, that's good information. And have them call the police and gave him the case number and I called gleason And then All the sudden. They became pretty interested in it because I didn't get like elevated the crime a little bit. And because now they're out forging checks. And They ultimately did make an arrest. And It was just really and I just learned of this today because I finally got. Back Yeah. Are you GonNa get to confront him? I doubt it but it was so funny because the detectives like Yeah I would really watch your credit because. This guy told me that he's been doing this five days a week eight hours a day. He puts a full week. He puts in a full week. He's like just like you were I clocking in at the office. He's like he has been forging checks eight hours a day five days a week. Yeah. How local is he? Local. Stole Your Shit or do they give yourself to this dude I'm telling Ya from what I saw happen in my garage. They would've had to have found a new path in life still in the criminal line of things. Elevate to check forgery from what I saw on the garage the folks who Robbed the garage. And I don't think are capable of the forgery game the forty hour week forgery game the forty hour week. So you might get to meet someone involved in this criminal enterprise. It's yeah, it's possible if for some reason they want me to. Testify or something like that know. Of Your story, the flop flashers. GRANDDAD had a hunting cabin. In some criminals, some crooks robbed his hunting cabin. Later the cops caught. The guys. And, this is an interesting move. The cops bring the guy over just drive him over no to visit. With the grandfather so said, his grandfather gets a cop comes door and says, Hey, we got the guy. That rob your place. He's handcuffed in the back of my car. So subscribers get to go out to lay his eyes on them. Poke Him with the status. Yeah and says, said, his grandfather said to the guy you know out of killed you if I caught you. How they left it. Wow That that that's great. Hardly appealing tell that to them to be like boy I. Just don't know how close you were. It'd be like boy about to shoot I didn't have it in me to shoot you. Bad Yeah what if just a funky deal but anyway, passports back. So it's a fine. If I was a detective I would dust that they did they did. Yeah. So like. Dustin it for fingerprint a fingerprint on it did yeah. Yeah. I assume not mine. So so Is it cool to state. Department. Do you get to keep on using your passport even though it was like it added? Congress port number. Okay. Yeah. So no matter what kind of shenanigans they were trying to pull with your passport is not a credit card issue you a new one all of a sudden correct. US get to keep running I mean you can go through jump through a bunch of hoops and get like a new social security number new passport number but it it takes some some effort and from what like I called the Social Social Security Administration and actually just phenomenal customer service but the the Eli talk to you like you know. This is what we've done for you like it's flagged in the system. The way. This works is a little funky. Frustrating to you. But what we see is somebody's going to hold down a job for a year. And not pay their taxes with your. Social Security number. And then will call you. and. Be Like, why aren't you paying your taxes? And then you'll say, well, actually I have. But here's. and. Then we'll look back and your record. We'll see the thing and you'll be fine. He's like it's not going to be fun. You're not gonNA like it, but he's like you'll be fine. You really take it all this quite well cal. I. Think it's so far out of my hands. got other things to worry about. This is like five months in the making. It was march yeah yeah. You don't have see one niner Adele nel fresh from the testing I had proven greenest bill of health in this room for covid I would imagine whoa when they come in and tell you don't have I love it. Do you ever? Did you ever scare? So my wife and I had cold symptoms over the weekend but the issue with Kelvin? Rise. If you look up symptoms, it's like everything except stubbing your toe is on the list. So body ache headache cough, and if there wasn't a global pandemic, you would just be like this head go and find enough to like even go into work. We have a wedding coming up in three days wounded the responsible thing get tested. So we did. and. He writes like I didn't have any anxiety leading up to a pretty confident then like that fifteen minute wait between getting swabbed and then like them coming in, then it starts to build and build and build Oh. Yeah. You get free they're gonNA throw a false positive. Fifteen minute wait you can. You can get rapid testing right? There's like standard testing like five ten days. Yeah. I had three days. Yeah. Yeah. The State of Alaska now won't accept rapid tests and they did say it's it is less accurate to than the other ones. The throws a lot of I've heard I heard. That'd be good. The throws a lot of false positives. Well this got it's got a reputation I don't know this is true or not, and I would come to me for your Kobe. Information. We. So I was callous two nights ago. I was two nights ago. We were down to where my kid fishes suckers. And took a spear going down there. And got into the Get into the water to spear. Gun. And like you could see about twelve inches. So the spear guns two feet long. So all the soccer zipping in front of your face sort of between. You. Had to hold the spirit gone back behind your head and reach back and pull the trigger in order to shoot the soccer that you can see scooting across your face mask as you die of through the holes somewhere in the manual recommends against that. And I, my body Greg is supposed to be sending me a new Hawaiian. A real stubby. I want a short nose Hawaiian sling I got an footer and the Gras I need to snub nose. Hawaiian Slang for close work. Yeah. So we gave up on that that water is so cold. It was ninety degrees but didn't think was called the kids. I don't know what the problem is. They get cold water down though it's cold I also I couldn't breathe my snorkel. because. We were aware one. One Creek. Where a small mountain stream flows into a bigger stream and the bigger streams much warmer. Wow. Net small mountain streams flowing in all silty and cold in the suckers are all laying in the hole created by the inland So when you dive down hole yeah I got an air. Force myself bill breath through a snorkel that cold. Now. The follow up questions going to be what are you doing with suckers sucker cakes? Yeah. So I think you should explain soccer cakes because I've I've had some of the your amalgam dip between your multi-species bag that you get. Sometimes I'll get to the soccer kick thing minute. Yeah. But I'll walk through that. So when you dive down and fouled bottom contour of the whole like I said, suckers like Kinda like banging into your face mask but you can't do about ano selling my kid. If you miss identify it, hit a white fish you meet fish again for the rest of our lives or whatever because we'd be in a serious violation. Because the game fish. Anyhow, we bailed on that. Much to his disappointment and came back the next night with rods and reels. And after micro scouting, we knew that this whole had soccer's but our understanding of that whole. Improved. To wear like. Like let's say I like I'm looking at my laptop right now I used to know there are suckers like on the laptop. But now I know that the suckers at the letter G.. And we went back last night and Bam Bam he went back with his neighborhood buddy this morning. Bam Bam Bam. Malla soccer's in our fridge. Now, we always talk about in the big game world of like if for a second. You could just. Suck all the trees off the mountain. Just real quick. because. You know there's something there but it just be nice to know exactly where I have a different version of that and it's the if all the animals. You can do by species so like all black bears had to shoot a flare up in their a pink one. The deer. One that would just be like Oh. Colorblind People Yanni. Ashby telephone. So yeah some kind of whatever some kind of thing. That's Newton. Support. So even like Mark Kenyon participate. Yes. Right. Caller blinding US eighty. We talked about it back in the days of. country. We would just imagine just if you're a giant and you just pick up the mountain that we hundred a lot in Shaka's turn it upside down shake and just see what fell. as little kids are lake. I'll get back my soccer story but. The lake we grew up on our dream was that. It was complicated because it required to everybody had to go away everybody that lived on lake had leave because we want another people seeing what we about to see everyone would leave and our lakewood drain. And we would have an hour so to run out and see what all. Is there. Just to take stock. Not even to pick anything up. But to take stock of what's there and we talked about this a lot and my kid is nobody's talking about this. We're up at our fish act and he was saying, wouldn't it be amazing? If we could drain all the water out of the goal. See what's in there? I think about that too because you're always like you fish a little bit harder when you're like. I know if I just try a little something different or whatever. Like I'm GonNa find like that big one. When he just be disheartening if you're like. Oh turns out the purchase lake do only get nil six inches. We WanNa know because there was a guy named Mr Palang, who he had a cabin across our houses mostly summer cottage. At Time Mr, Palang had developed a pioneer to technology. He called speed trolling he liked to stroll real fast. For. NORTHERNS and he had one of those old fish finders that took a pencil. Whoa you ever see those, we used to have one to when I was kid it's like a pencil. And at the end of fishing, you can take the whole damn scroll of paper and walked around showing people the scroll. It spits out a never ending six inch wide scroll of paper with the the Pencil. Oh Yeah Mr playing used to run around with a hunk of this scroll. Showing that he's like there's a five-foot northern that, lake? And everybody bleed them because like technology doesn't lie. It was a big pencil mark I mr playing scroll. So if you drain, you'd be able to be like is it or is it not the guys catch? Shitload. Of Pike I'll tell you what speed trolling. We we had a version of that. That's not quite as satisfying draining the entire. Water body, but whenever for the US Fish and Wildlife Service, we had a lake in southeastern South Dakota that he got to overrun with trash fish like. Every type of CARP GRASS CARP COMMON CARP silver car big head carp. And then they just like cleaned out all the vegetation was incredibly popular body of water for people in that area. So they decided to kill off the entire lake So we went out there with rotenone, which is like takes takes the oxygen out of the water and it kills all the fish in an everything you're on the service but what is it? It's derived from South American plant all. Inhibits the fishes ability to remove oxygen? So it's like it's like messing with their gills. Also. Fish like that. Yeah. I've seen the video. Yeah. But we did this like you'll poisoners. We did that and this entire leg old twenty, seven inch in here. Oh man there are way more perch. Then you'd think in like well like this over to rosier picture than what you expected with the exception everything being dead. That's right. That's right. And they don't. They don't come back to life like when you're shocking them when well. That may or may not be because where we witnessed it. The effects wear off. They were go to a side Slough. And they would rock off the tributary leading into the side Slough. Poison the side Slough. They were saying that if you open a backup water, come in the Fisher pull out be fine. Yet that was part of this lake had some natural springs that we had to constantly keep rotenone like right there where that fresh water is coming to keep lethal. Yes. Have you ever shocked fish when you're in that old job? Yeah, plenty. Yeah. That's interesting too that you can. You can shock fish and not kill him but you get your settings a certain way and a beaver might combine. You'll like waylay that beaver. Yeah. Because the voltages set where it'd be lethal for a beaver but not lethal for fish one of the the really. Surprising parts of that as we shocked for flatheads specifically one day and they take like a much. Voltage than most fish which was bigger really surprising. You think that like like, okay. We're GONNA go find Pan Fish, right. So let's crank this thing down but now we're going to go seek out flatheads. So we got a cranky way up and just make sure we're like shocking everything in the area, but that's not the case. It's bigger at once lower like if you jump in there, you'd be screwed if you've got shock at small fish in a sucker situation to. Shocked the south fork of the snake like Family extremely popular. Stretcher River. On south fork of the snake in Idaho and shocked with Idaho fishing game. And with the head of fisheries and Brent high or bread high, and he's he's like a local blackfoot Idaho Guy. And I'm just amazed at how many fish. Come up to the surface in this very small side channel that we wouldn't shocked and he's like Oh, yeah he's like everybody talks about how there's four thousand trout per mile is like, but there's also seven thousand. White Fish Per Mile Oh, he's like and then you just kind of like went on and on and on and it was just an insane amount of life but it is. Yeah unless you get to witness undocking. It's Like, you just can't fathom how much life is in some of the stuff I was in the Philippines. And we're doing A. Magazine Story Row House with crew, and they're doing like first descent you know down river. which is cool. That's fun in Central Highlands Luzon Island. And one day we're just can't down the riverbank. And we're with this area. That's like the Kalinga tribe lives there she had to kind of get permission from the clinging clinging would make you. Take other, take, clingy deutz. We had these two dudes these to Kalinga dudes with us on this trip. And some guy, they know we can't on the beach and some guy comes along they knew who the guy was in this guy comes along he's got a giant. He's got a backpack made out of a giant thing of a giant detergent bottle like if you bought a huge square thing of laundry detergent. Kind of. Container, right. And yet made into a backpack with ropes. In. It he had car batteries. Coming. Off The car batteries, he had two hand held Wan's. And he's got dude with them that has a pack in two batteries. He's got two batteries to car batteries heavy jammed and a backpack. In two metal ones and he's got a dude with them. Who's got a mini beach sane. Sticks. And these guys come down the river and he would get up on Iraq. And his body on. Iraq. And then his body would stick that beats saying down below the Rock and then he would wave those ones. All around under that rock. In A. That dude lift at beat Saint Up Shit loads, shrimp and crabs, and they're. Like electroshock in them out of their own. And they got big. Long story we wound up with a bunch of this stuff the shrimp I would imagine and the guy's got, they get a big log burning. And they roll the log over. So it's ember side up. And then just lay all that shit down at large on the glowing embers is lay there for a while. Then that's great move. And they had all my fishing equipment women sounds like catch some fish like first descent of a river like. This man. There's not. A thing in those rivers everything is dead. You'd go to a fish market there. It's like their fish mark is stuff the size of your pinky like Oh and a whale shark but like there's no sort of they all the things. They fish with poison fish explosives. It's like the myth that the myth that. Like developing nations. Would somehow have Pristine resource pools. It's a myth. People are hungry man? They just kill everything anyway you can get your hands on it, but he might minus fish in the islands. which is Like kind of a border. series of islands. Owned by India. And The Guy was explaining to him the fishery like y that spot is so good. He's like, yeah no arsenic fishing here. and. You know. Michigan Kid Buddy of mine like. Arsenic fishing because like, yeah. No ours neck. Gets a big deal he's like, I yeah. I would imagine it's a matter. Back my soccer's real quick. The it's I. I think about making a video tonight with my kid on how we make soccer cakes. So hear me out. Play soccer. Soccer flay then you remove the RIB. From the soccer just like take the Ribohn off the new skin the soccer. Now you have a sucker filleted it's still riddled with. The insane number of bones live soccer flays. Then we keep it up and like half inch pieces. Put that raw. Pack into a food processor raw and you put a bunch trout near to. Pack if you want PAG it in a food processor, turn the food processing around leave it in there until that raw fish has turned into a batter. It's like a batter. Of Raw fish. Why making that face? It's Your it doesn't sound very appetizing. Okay let me put it this way. And then you make a moose. And more US se. Yeah. But still memo USS. Out of raw fish Moose stoldas on appetizing. Version where raw fish batter doesn't listen sure it's GonNa get good. This is the best recipe perhaps the best recipe ever invented, but I'm just telling you there is no. Right. Now is now listening in their car and when you described food-processing soccer me drought me raw, they're like, ooh. I take my raw fish and I pulled out and put it into a mixing bowl to which I add. breadcrumbs. Eggs. Prepared horseradish. Male Herbs and all kinds of other good shit to eat. Little Sour cream if you feel like whatever off how does the fish batter smell? It smells very clean clean. smells very clean the they are a wonderful. The the problems with soccer I should start with saying it's the problems of suckers. Are that the texture people people are not crazy about the texture and people are definite crazy about the. Bones. So it's a piece of fish that's bony but by going through this process that I'm here talking about. Those things become not an issue. So I got my bread crumbs, EG e Horseradish, and all that. Then I make little little teeny flattened patty. So I take I make about what you of a meatball I make. With this batter. Flatten the meatball. into something that resembles a sort of dimensions, the relative dimensions of a pancake, but it's much smaller fits in the palm of your hand. I then roll this and Co that and Panko. Then I cook it. In a PAN until the PANCO's Golden Brown. Then you now have something that's like if if the people at Long John, Silver's actually knew how to cook it's that. crispy. Right, Chrispy outside beautiful like fluffy. Inside. You've taken us. You've transported US dude it is one of the best. Recipes to ever be invented, and I'm thinking about filming it tonight. So what fish can't you do this with I don't know. Do anything you do anything we call them soccer cakes. For the reason. Is. I screwed up a big chunk of Halibut that you gave me the other day. by the way you're. I mean, I'd do at the same way because he just gets sick bag and fish but my God that's a huge. Those are giant portions of. Those are those are family pacman. Single Man. Oh, so I take. You know I'm like I wanted to take on the challenge of cooking this whole huge Chunk Albert. You know perfectly and I had a thermometer in there and was doing it on the trigger which I believe is you even more leeway? And consequently. Pulled it before the thing even got to tamp accord in the temperature because I just knew something wasn't right and sure enough it was super dry but I turn that into. You know, basically like fish sandwich. Yeah and Absolutely. Phenomenal. Very, very good to the point where I'm like, this is what Alabama should be good. Yeah. I feel like with those big chunks, he got a slice of it have. Sideways. Yeah All Right Spencer explain I can't figure which of these things I want. You explain I o bad news for the The squirrels eat nuts squirrels you shouldn't even reveal this. Oh, now that I think this for another time. Spencer has not. Like that. You even brought. It got okay. Spencer has not found a researcher yet who Knows what he's talking. You need to you need to do what you're doing science. When you get an answer, you don't want to go to the next search. Eventually you wind up you do corporations do is you'll need to go higher researcher and tell them I need you. To demonstrate to mean. The AX is true. GOT IT and they're like, got it. So we'll leave that one hanging article forthcoming on if squirrels bite the notes off of other squirrels. Say That yes. Knowing that they do. It'll be exploration of of the truth of that. Yes. The truth of that you better keep working until you find the right person to talk to you who satisfies my curiosity but in the meantime, explain. Explain the zone of death situation. Zone of death is part of. Our Ballroom Banner Series and I'm biased. But our barroom, yourself is my favorite stuff on the media website. Actually I'm making number two pet dirk anything. Pat Dirk and rights is number one that's my favorite and then Barroom Band herself is my second favorite and Barroom Banter is meant to be wisdom that'll make you seem smart in interesting from a Barstool, when you shoot the shit with your buddies and you're like, well, did you know this? Gino's squirrels Yep. Well actually bite. Like that YEP exactly. Yeah. Let's play on my toes. Oh Sorry So the zone of death. I when you talk about Yellowstone National Park and it's mapping. If you're not familiar don't live in Bozeman like us. You might not know this, but yellowstone extends into three states. Ninety, six percent of it is in Wyoming two percent is in Montana in one percents in Idaho. In this is. The percentages before. This is because like, but it predates the states. Yes. Okay. Eighteen seventy to yellowstone national park was created. It wasn't until twenty years later that those three states gained statehood. So. Does. Unless. I've never understood this well either but are you going to explain how like where the how like what the state's role actually is in these states? The states don't have much of a role at all turns out, and that's that's all sort of part of what creates this zone of death. Okay. So I I, really mark. I would. I would argue that the most interesting part of yellowstone is that one percent in Idaho. Despite it not having a road it has one road that sort of like goes through the very corner of it and that's it. Other than that it has some trails it doesn't campgrounds. It has like one notable lake. It butts up to some other notable things like did not a falls. It's very popular hiking destination in that part of yellowstone, but it's not technically in Idaho or there's own of death. So, I'm following Okay Win Wyoming was created. The US court system decided to give all of yellowstone. To Wyoming's district court. So the entire National Park including sections that are in Montana in Idaho are part of the Wyoming. Court district. Okay I got it. So I, save my questions. I think. So I think. All right. So so all of all of yellowstone is in the Wyoming Court district Alex utterly baffled. I'm waiting patiently again. All of yellowstone is in Wyoming Court district despite the park being in three different states. Now here's what would happen in this zone of death if you murdered somebody. Okay. Say You were in the Idaho portion of yellowstone and you murdered somebody how do we get there? To murder this, this will explain Moore in there. Yeah. This this will say Diani I'm like, Hey, you know. huckleberry spot Yup Yup you might WanNa go there Monday at ten. I'm more men like explaining district courts to murder. Thank. Like supposedly Got Dr. Yeah this this hypothetical were Steven. Yeah. The logical. The states, the percentages, and then the killing of another human being obviously you're. Stone okay. So Yeah Ford Connection to forge connection this place. There's this place in Idaho. Stephen. Yanni are looking for huckleberry over there. You legally I imagine you can't go pick huckleberry in yellow snow. There's a lot of yellowstone is a place where you can't you go to not be able to do things but I believe that you can. Pick a berry. I was just pick up a deer antler I was just there the park biologist and we found several arrowheads bunch of shed antlers fans I can't touch it can't touch shed antlers can't touch schools I. believe you can same way that you can catch fish certain areas and keep them like in fact because Lake Trout and you also like you cannot keep. The fish is a good comparison. That's Yanni wake. You can eat a berry in that park. Okay. I'm not sticking up for the park. I wish would just become national forest. We consider goes to it okay. An ideological grounds. So. You guys are legally or illegally. Looking for huckleberry in Idaho's portion, we'll say, let's let's keep this story going and just say. You don't know what we're doing with them, but we are looking for. Huckabee okay not necessarily picking. Identifying, huckleberry, right. In Idaho's portion of Yellowstone National Park is fifty square miles. It's really small. It's just a little slippery barely even see on the map you guys over there looking for Huckabee's Steve Kills Yanni. Why Just. Like I don't know disagreement over whether you not. You can eat huckleberry. Picking those bear. More entertaining years of angst on. Kill Steal Kilda Johnny. Johnny I think years of angst like I. Like, how do I do it? Hands Strangled flat out strangled. Bush. Him as they do in the woods in a as norm McDonald points out, it's always a shallow grave. That's a great one. So I put them in a shallow grave. Over. Alcan cash the Grizz it's GonNa come dig me US right and Steve is up to immediately. He says I did it Did. It worries that I did it everything that you're hearings to you. Steve tells that to some sort of law enforcement they take you to shy in Okay Cheyenne is John Wyoming Cheyenne Wyoming. That's the state capital that is the hub of the district of Wyoming's court system. Okay. They not a federal crime. Because all of. Yellowstone. National. Park in the Wyoming Court district. Yeah okay. Tire thing. So they take you four hundred seventy miles southeast to Cheyenne Wyoming. And then Steve says well. The sixth amendment. Allows me to have a speedy. And Fair trial, right? So then they're like, okay well, here we go. We're going to get this trial setup. Now, there is also the vicinity clause. Which means that you have the right to a jury. That comes from. The district and the state were you committed your crime? So, what we now have is incredibly tight ven diagram of the state where you committed the Crimes Idaho. And the Court district where you committed the crime is Wyoming. So. Now. That the prosecutors have to find a jury from within that Fifty Square Mile Stretch of Idaho I want to be being on the jury that's yellowstone. Now. Here's the guy that was probably in there. Nobody lives as a single person that lives there. So you are now allowed to go free because they cannot give you a fair a fair trial made up of your peers. That came from the court. Excuse me that came from the court district and state because they could only exist in that fifty square mile area. You know you run the fact checker series young around the Barroom Banner, series I think that there needs to be sort of a postmodern sort of mash up. Where Fact Checker? Fact checks barring. So this. Because I just don't. I don't believe this legal loophole was brought up by a Michigan State law professor in two thousand five. In an article that he published I called him yesterday. To talk about this and. I asked him like. If. There's been any more word publish. In the Georgetown let me find Georgetown Law Review or something. Georgetown Law Journal. Two Thousand and five Brian Colt is his name. And he's like he wrote a piece being like, Hey, you know what? Yeah. Real pickle if someone bird or someone initially he was looking at how? If, you commit a crime within a certain distance of county line in a lot of states you can actually tried any other county despite it not happening in that county. And he was looking at how that can cause issues with the example he was looking at was a crime that happened Detroit that was like kind of in the suburbs, but sort of in an urban area in a lot of racial tension in that area. So depending on where this crime was prosecuted at would like totally change the outcome could be. That's what he was starting to look at, and then he came across. This whole thing with yellowstone in this issue. Now, this would not happen say you guys had the same scenario, but this happened in the Montana portion of yellowstone two percent of the Yellowstone National Park. That's we'd have we'd have a it'd be all people from Gartner. There's actually forty one people forty one adults that live in that zone so they could. You tell me you'd have to go and that's your jury pool. Yes. Yup. They really would have to find so and this this was actually In. Two thousand still looks like he's. Just straight. Is. If this ever happened. It can only be. It can only be tried to find amount of time because the first thing they ask you. During your Juror interview is have you ever served? On a murder, you could you could do it three times. Assuming that all forty those people are eligible jurors and nobody knew moves into the area. As. Well so I still Brian called brought up. This issue is two, thousand, five or article, and it was actually used in court of law I think it was in two, thousand, seventeen, thousand, eight somebody killed an elk in Montana's portion of Yellowstone National Park. And his lawyer who is now deceased. Had brought up this Brian called paper about his own death. And how his trial should have to take place. In the yellowstone portion. Of Montana because that's where the crime happened that. They have to get a jury from that area. The prosecutors had acknowledged that like this is an issue. We this is going to be like a lot of work for us to make this happen and like bring charges on this person who shot this elk, and so they offered this guy a plea deal basically saying that like you can't fight this any further. and. Then it's over with right but he had said that like this issue came up and it was a big problem and it was left unresolved gives left unresolved and. said. Killing Yanni, I could do like, I'll do aggravated assault. By not doing a murder, navy let cable. It, it would be it would. Like certainly drag out much longer than that. In this guy who shot this L. chose that option he chose not to drag it out and just took the plea deal, but this Brian called believes that he could have. Forced. Their hand and made them have the trial in this portion of Montana where he killed the al now I ask Brian if he would feel responsible for something like what what is feelings would be if Steve, did Gil go kill Janni. While they were searching for huckleberry. And he said it's been. It's been fifteen years. He would be really really pissed off if this happened because the government has not acted on it and congress, he said, if they decided tomorrow, they WANNA changes they get changes it would take like three lines the he his example said to take five minutes wouldn't literally take five minutes but he said he would take five minutes. That's how quick this would be to fix this issue cruise dubbed the zone of death he didn't because he discovered it. And his discovery of this has like. It inspired a best selling novel the New York, Times bestselling novel called Free Fire Author. From Wyoming wrote a book. We're an attorney goes and kills four campers in a zone of yellowstone that has no jurisdiction over huckleberry. I Dunno it also inspired a movie game. Remember what it's called like one provision or something like that, and now people are telling me are you familiar with the TV series yellowstone? Yes. Yeah. That this was actually his way into that show it came up in the Sunday episode like three days ago they talked about they referred to it as the train station I believe. It's not for a lack of awareness that the government hasn't changes. He said, they just like drag their feet. They don't get the big deal. They think that if something did happen, they get still like manipulate wording and understandings to still get a prosecution and he just basically said that's no way to to treat the constitution and so he would be really pissed off if something happened but basically he said the blood would be on the government's hands not his. Dark. Yeah. Very. Work on your hypotheticals though because you had Steve Killing elk and it would have been fine here. Let's work on this. This is more exciting though. The murder hypothetical. Zone West. Of Death. Like. Okay. The cost to the county or the state of Wyoming. In order to prosecute this, the way it should be is going too far exceed. What we? What we can afford basically. So I I ask Brian if like their lack of changing this is just pure laziness or what it is and he said it's a lot laziness but. There is a point to be made where someone did it feel inspired to change this a few years after Brian brought everyone like national attention to two thousand five and he said when they looked into changing it that what would then happen is yellowstone some portions that are now in the ninth, court circuit and not the tenth. In the Tenth Montana and Idaho or in the night, and when it comes to environmental issues, you're that could like 'cause a lot of problems and open up like some potentially big things that could happen because now yellowstone things can like. That already there you bring it to the knights they bring they bring those losses to the night because they know they'll the the like the anti-hunting crowd. Brings lawsuits to the is it the night? That's MISSOULA. Like if you soon against the grizzly bear delisting or soon against Wolf Delisting, Yours WanNa make sure lands missoula because then you'll hit a judge who is like, Oh, I don't want anybody to hurt those poor things and if you soon it lands of Wyoming, they'll be like well, we're going to go with states rights mountain wildlife management. So that was that was never the intention of this like Oh we're going to manipulate this. So it gets in the ten core district or anything like that. 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How how would you guys measure remoteness? Oh, I've been to the most remote place on the continent. Now. We're talking lower for I can tell you that it was a lot of factors that went into it. It was like proximity to human population. Proximity to road proximity. To. Fuel. And they came out with this thing that it was in the. If you go up the Kobuk River to the head of the Kobuk River and then over top of the Brooks Range and get to the other side I think you wind up in this little area they call like the remote is place. In the continent. But no, I don't know he goes by he goes by how far it is from a McDonald's that's that's what he wanted to say there's a number of different ways you measure this right? Like if you wanted to the furthest, you can get from a road. now, a segue here that would actually end in yellowstone in the other corner of the park there. Yeah. Southeast Corner where zone of death is in the Southwest Corner Dodge. So that's that's one way you can measure sprays wind up in the you'd wind up in the thoroughfare. Chairs Zones called bill? Other ways. Erode that's the furthest from road in the lower forty eight in the southeast corner of yellowstone. She went to look the least populous county this really surprised me landed in. Texas. Love County has one hundred and thirty four people. That's point. One, six, seven residents per square mile. No? Shit. Yeah. Sounds like Kelce kind of place is that in the panhandle Texas or in the you know the staked plains there couldn't tell you Yano Est cotto loving county Texas Yadi. Fiona. Find It. No kidding yeah. Doesn't. Have counties boroughs. That's a couple of ways you can measure Ramona's but this this person decided the furthest you can get from a McDonald's. In. The cool thing about it makes his job really really easy. The cool thing about measuring remoteness ways and it can move around then and whatever that spot would be is then Mick furthest. So in his first version of the map in two, thousand nine, he found that make farthest landed in northwestern South Dakota, which is basically the same area when we talked about three tells the wolf. Glass got mauled right there on the grand on the right there. Yup. That's where the first inclination of MC farthest landed. But then he looked back at the data about a decade later in realized that there is a McDonalds closure in Nevada. That then moved this. Why are they close McDonald's? So I touched on this in the barroom manager I went to their yelp page which still existed despite them being closed for a number of years and it had like Let me see it had fifteen yelp reviews averaging one point five stars Goo I'm going to read you some quotes here from from the reviews A. Great job on Spencer's. Bring Man. Thank you. Thank you. So Wendy said she said quite possibly the worst McDonald's on the planet. Paul said atmosphere three stars Food one-star service to stars but. The whole, the whole brand promise McDonald's's restart. No. It's like. It's the same where you go like, how do you mess it up? Like we we give you the giant bag of fries. You Jake the fries and put it in our proprietary oil blend in our proprietary fryer. This. Rule Out. As missiles. Human error deceives culture thing like it just didn't didn't work. There is a Jason in his review said my worst McDonald's experience. and. Then what's interesting about the reason reviews? is they're coming from people who like dot they're coming from MC McDonald's fans they know the baseline of McDonald's a shitty. These are people like I had never heard of this place but my God, these are people who are like letdown let down by the McDonald's experience at that particular McDonald's go on my favorite review though came from Allison, was one of the last reviews left of this McDonald's. She said the cashier cody was more stoned than a boulder. He had hickeys all over his neck well done cody's girlfriend. So that was. Finally reviews. And likely why this McDonald's got shut? Oh so make farthest because this McDonald's closed moved eleven hundred miles southwest from northwestern South Dakota to halfway between Las Vegas and Reno. And add this new locale. You can now get thirteen miles further. From a big Mac. was that exact locale look like the exact locale? It is on now on. Land and it's actually right on the edge of area fifty one. So you can. You can go reach this place if you wanted. Sounds like a wild horse in a Martian That's right. Standing there right now, this is what the person wrote in two thousand eighteen when they updated the make farthest location they said at its center by my calculations, forty minutes of washboard south from the extraterrestrial highway and a few clicks to the civilian side of the greater area. Fifty one perimeter fence you'll find the lower forty-eight current MC farthest spot. A Sandy Swatch of Silver Gates Sagebrush just over one hundred, twenty miles as the crow flies from the nearest McDonalds. Was it. Is One hundred, twenty miles no ship. It was actually pretty surprising. You would think that you can further that hundred and twenty miles from McDonalds. Yeah that's it. Do you remember now? I don't know 'cause the reach of McDonald's really struck me when we were. One of the key member I think Obama took steps to normalize. Normalize relations with. Cuba. Which I will eventually happen because I think people are most people in America have forgot. They forgotten why we're real mad at Cuba. But anyways, they were going to the the hatred, the hatred Wayne's. But I remember hearing and that's not a big island. And I remember reading this article about Western or like American corporate world's plans for normalize relations with. Cuba. Memory in that McDonald's was planning on going into Cuba lightly with twenty four stores. Or like some plan. That's light. So I thought there must be just allowed to McDonald's is around man if you WanNa go visit me farthest I put it's I put a pin for it in the article on our website Barroom Banter Colon farthest for this you can get from a McDonald's. The closest town the McDonald's that close it's Tonopah Nevada. So do go there. You're still in good shape because there is a burger king and a subway in that town. They have A to. Sit this guy now. It's a little cutesy. It's a little cutesy. A, find another way to figure out the remote spot I. Like this one I really like this one. It's a little far. It's a little outside of our wheelhouse. Me Eater. But I think that a good fact Checker Spencer when he finished up the squirrels. Yup. How by how they do bite the balls off squirrels Would be. would be are there really? Twenty four ingredients or whatever the hell it is in McDonald's French fries. I don't know if I've heard that claim. Zelic, some old marketing that I wouldn't be. The thing that they're proud of is damn share not a potato and some salt and oil. It's they make a slurry, make a slurry. And then form that slurry back into the shape of a French fry. That gets frozen in a nineteen ingredients nineteen is that true? That'd be a good one for you. And love and counting was in the panhandle good Iana List Kado. Stick planes for people that don't speak that language Janos Cardo is. One More Spencer one more. Thing I'd like you to explain. Okay. The Most INSTAGRAM places. Outdoor places in America. This is another article that I wrote as part of our Bar Room Banter series and this. This isn't something that's like new coverage. To. The USA Today has looked at a similar thing before. Other, websites have looked at this. They've always looked at like the most instagram places in the world the most instagram places in the United States that nobody is looked at. The most instagram outdoor places in each state. So that's that's why this list was unique and I gathered this by looking at what the USA Today at already done some other websites and then also using data available from instagram with Hash Tags and tags in things like that. And looked at the most instagram places in every single state, and here's another segue. Wyoming's was, of course, Yellowstone National Park. So it all connects judge you. Did did you guys look at this list of the most instagram places the waiting to I'm looking at right now? Okay. Okay. Is there anything that stands out to you like I will? What'd you think of Michigan's? Michigan's is. Silverlake. Sand. Dunes State Park. No. That doesn't check out. No, that doesn't surprise me shocked me. Yeah. So from the fifty that I gathered here, there were fifteen state parks, ten national parks, eight beaches, six lakes, three city parks, three national forests or monuments, and then five miscellaneous locations. And the the miscellaneous ones. Resembles like I think Hawaii. Hannibal Keno. What was another one somebody had? Some some oddballs like that. But my favorite miscellaneous ones were in Nebraska and Iowa and as a south. Dakota and I'd like to rag on those states any chance I get in this list made it real real easy because Nebraska's most instagram outdoor place is bottomless pumpkin patch that was really great. Really I really enjoy. Why is that? I wonder I now especially when you look at the states next door, right like like South Dakota's is badlands national. Park. which is an incredible area and you just a little bit south and you have pumpkin patch in Nebraska. Iowa's. Poking patched might maybe one hell of a place maybe I'm so intrigued. By finding that out I WANNA go next time I'm I'm driving through. Is The bridges of Madison. County yeah and there's a picture of these in the article. Did you look at the picture? No, it's it six of these rural bridges. That are apparently very popular to go take pictures in front of and tag it certainly like probably the most unique place we noticed that old love movie. The bridges of Madison County I did come across at looking and seeing that now I don't know if This is or if this is just like that's totally that's totally well, it's because of the love movie The bridges of Madison How old is though and is it is what it from my lifetime. Seem Weird. Already in twenty. Appreciate that I I think this is like sorority girls in nearby colleges that I think it's a cool place. I don't think some old movie. It's a good point because the people that love that movie probably aren't instagram ing too much. Now. White Say National Monument in New Mexico surprises me a little bit because there's so little. It's a hard place to get to and there's so little traffic going through there. It's stunning. You can see it like you know you can see it from outer space. You can see if real high satellite imagery like this like weird ass patch of white. In the state but surprises me that people. that. It's that it's difficult to get to didn't change didn't make it a lower score. That's probably one of like There's not very many examples on this list were like we would actually want to go to hang out. These are very. Popular areas obviously as as you can see on the list, the lakes, the lakes were like a cool example though because pretty much every lake on this list has like really quality fishing Lake Martin Alabama Norman and North Carolina Lake of the ozarks Missouri like Minnetonka Minnesota Kentucky Lake Kentucky? Those are all like regular spots for Bass fishing tournaments they all have some have good walleye fishing. So like as far is places we would actually want to visit I. Think the lakes are few of the a few the examples on this list. When you pull this list together. Did you feel Proud of your fellow man or did you feel disappointed by your fellow man in his predictability? that's a good question Part of the list though is also manipulated by me. I could have left out beaches in city parks if I wanted, but there was just like an old. Like what you would count as outdoor playoffs. There's just an overwhelming amount of states where those were like head and shoulders above something like a state park or a national park or something like that. So when you see all the city parks on the list and the beaches, it's a little bit disappointing that like the those earlier you know some of the most popular. instagram places meaning like for New York's Central Park is the Central Park count as an outdoor place right right to the people who go to Central Park. They would argue that very much does that's what I'm saying for for some people like the beach or city park ease the outdoor. So I felt like that's why. Those were worth including. If you want to see the full list, all fifty of these. Again, this is on our website ballroom banter. The most instagram'd outdoor places in each state. Dave very much I. Really like the The graphics someone did for Barroom Banter now there's a whole big conspiracy. Looks Great. Okay. What's conspiracy that is based off that bar in miles city it is. Now he told me we spent a great deal time in what what is. Who did it? The Montana bar it's just called the Montana Bar Okay Don wrote from the Bison Bar. Okay. I used to live there the window they have audubon. They have a full-size of what's regarded as an as an extinct bighorn sheep species the. The audubon sheet, which now they also got a lot of stuffed. Heads of trail steers used to they used to run on the trail runs from Texas up to Montana for the double winner. They got some leads steers there. There's a bullet hole. In their still from when someone there's kind kinda shooting in there. That's the thing you can do to is famous bullet holes bar because you know. Here's the deal is frequent in many of them listen. The slippery noodle independently Annapolis there's a bowl. Oh Yeah. In John Dillinger Lake, independence or independence lake by Marquette Michigan you know the You Know Robert traver. The writer and he wrote Anatomy of murder. The story anatomy of. The anatomy of murder is based off an actual murder. It's like Jimmy Stewart they did a film. Jimmy Stewart played the prosecutor. In Anatomy of murder in it was written by a novelist who was a avid fisherman enrolled a lot about fishing but he actually not he wrote a novelization of something that actually happened to him in his life. And there was a guy in a woman living at a campground. and. The Guy was stationed there at work like on a kind of military installation and his wife. And He's off work in very jealous husband he's off working. And supposedly, he gets concerned. His wife is running around with some other dude who's living at the campground. On the night of the murder, she like sees a bear in the camp. Ground gets a little scared by the bear I could be getting certain parts of this. Wrong. But I've been all of these places I slept in the campground went to the bar. He she gets nervous about a blackberry hanging around the camp ground and that's why she explains she had to head down to the bar. That's her story Okay. The bears into campground therefore I went to the bar. Other. Folks believe that she was down in the bar because she had taken to. She had. Established in a Morris that the right word. Yeah. Amherst an amorous relationship with some local heavy. The irradiated husband. Goes down there. And kills the guy. And the bullet hole suppose is still in the bar when I went in there and I said I, WanNa see the bullet hole. Guy said well. Problem is. You know this is the whole everybody says, is the bowl behind the bar. But. Back, then the borrows over on wall. So he's like I. Don't know because. I got to come in here asking about the bullet in the bar. Yeah. The great movie anatomy of murder Jimmy Stewart and he's fish fishing brook trout wrapping up newspaper ever seen this ever seen it. I'm in now I'm in the NFC bridges as county I, don't think this. Robert traver he he's written some of the most beautiful stuff about fishing. Or are you looking at me like? I'm in. Okay. Pen name what's Israel damn name some of pull this up people needed about this I'm going to answer questions about the graphic for Barroom Matt made by Hunter. Spencer who is listener a reader? A watcher of meat eater he is awesome at what he does. Good job hunter his name was John D Voelker. His Pen name was Robert traver gone. I'm proud of the bartender for actually telling you what what instead of just being like Oh yeah. Here's the bullet hole. Getting y'all happy about it. Waiting for that five dollar tip that'd be twenty. Here's some WanNa Robert Travers famous quotes about fishing. He says I fish because I love to. Because I love the environs were trout are found, which are invariably beautiful in hate the environs where crowds of people are found, which are invariably ugly. I got. So. Tell me what you're telling them. I already told them every what's the scandal about sign? Well, that's just the way that Spencer told me he's like I found this guy. and. He's really good at it design and art and his name is Hunter Spencer. I just thought, Oh, I thought really his name's Hunter Spencer. Right wouldn't that we we should pay him to do art for my stuff. I was like Oh. Yeah. TURNS OUT IT turns out. I was wrong. You did get a hold of going out. For a while we we had we identified one of our Internet. We started to think it was the FLIPFLOP Fleischer. Yeah. Because the Internet troll would no things. I'm like, how do you know that and then I was like seth knows that and everything started to. Start, to add up like everything the he would say we'd be like guess what we're noticing next week and he gets up there. You know like son of a bitch. Who possibly know this? Except would know that. Those talking about it. He's got a must. Brought Him Oh yeah. You did he'd get real hot. Yeah just. Get Real hot when we bring it up like like the kind of that only made me Moore's issues. Have you disproved we're able to disprove hundred Spencer's a real big fan of mediator. Shout out to him wonderful job. Yeah. especially like Hunters Spencer would I just handed To him, there's a chance that it's a long con-. Spencer has created interim account and been doing it for years. You've probably bought some kells paperwork. K. here's the social security. That's right. I. Wish I was at talented. He does he does an awesome job and you're going to be seeing more of his stuff on our website. Oh, he's come up with some good shipman and bargain bantered is also powered by element. Element, we have a new title sponsor. Series I'm drinking it to. Yeah, just like just like onyx is the title sponsor. This year podcast element is a title sponsor Bar Romantic. Possible Steve. I know you like their stuff Ben really likes herself maybe too much. Snow it off the table. Keeps. You hydrate. It's telling you right. Now that you're well hydrated, you're in the hot seat. Now give us a walk AC- Brent the Brent bone bear tax story. Boban. Now, this what you get from reading stuff and not hearing you. Know Yeah. WE'VE GOT A. Team that have helped me work on this same longer. News on Brett Bone for for about six months for corrected Bon Bon. Brit Bon insane story this. Yeah I'M NOT A. I'm. Impressed with, you have a computer in front of their Spencer. I don't want to go too far behind the scenes I do I don't. So I'm just going to recall this memory so it may not sound quite as Slick Spencer's stories but doing borrow his computer nope. Nope I think I can get it You guys have all seen. What we'll just call. It's hard to describe although we try to describe it in in the podcast and then and everybody's seen the picture everybody seen by. It's like the Kennedy assassination. Everybody knows they were when they saw the picture, I can tell you where I was. Cooks three knows that bullshit? Yes. That's the best part about this that every I when I first saw miles pay I'm sure all you guys all the guys on our crew. saw this photo I walked around showing it to people as I'm sure you invariably due to get the reaction most people's reaction when they see the photo. On his father Glen bought. His he was attacked by a bear. On now, highway. Alaska. Bear. Ripped through. With its jaws and its claws rip through the. cuts ago. Chunk. Out of the center is face, no I'd put it. How would you put it? Yeah. I thought about it a great deal. Imagine that your. Imagined that you're I. don't see I don't WanNa, do this anyway that would. Be Disrespectful. It'd be like opening up a person's face like a pair of cheeks. Yeah. Aleve. Getting. I mean stripped away skill away like a pair of, but it's not anything like that. I think about it. Let's. Let's resort and say, we say. No. It's not too hard to describe. I. mean it's like basic anatomy and I think there's been enough sort of like Gore in media like done that. So that similar it's like someone's face has been taken off and is sort of like you can still tell that there is life it's almost like a skull with stow muscle attached to it, and there's eyeballs you can tell have life in them and there are teeth there that you can still tell her attached to jaws that work, but there is no skin and. Like more like a skull with flesh on it as opposed to like a human face with skin. Yeah. Because I have please I, just want to take another stab because the opened up the but she explained dude. That right it's not even. Where I came from, it'd be like this I was trying to support. This is my next stab K.. It'd be like if you took your skin a knife and made an opening, cut up the center of someone's face. So you start below the Chin and make your opening incision like you're cutting a deer. Up Up up up and then skin down each side a little ways. How's that big ways? Yes. Skin down ways I think if you combine Yanni's in yours, you have to. Remove the but cheeks, you got what it is and I think there's a couple of I said, no, I said that's like a I. Don't know what that is. That's a fake thing. I think there's a few you got to kind of start with the emotionality of seeing the photos videos as well. Bred tells me there's a minute plus video. that. All again, there's a minute plus video of his dad talking. And if you've seen the photo, you invariably seen the clip that Brett shared his instagram of his dad talking. Shards of flesh hanging down over what would be his lips. Can You bag? The, what exactly is the the pre-attack or are you going to get there? Yeah. Get there. Where this because you said on the highway and I think that might lead people. Yeah. Yeah. This it's so I think he where this starts is the imagery because this is the thing that that brought me. That brought most people this certainly brought me to it. It was not as a strategic mission. Yes. On we'll get there and I've seen this we've. Steve. Wrong. He will show me how little resembles as much. Of your buddies look like a bigger problem and listen to this bucket. It looks like when you like heavy rifle and you shoulder shoot a deer and then you skin away the hide like what you have left their. Kind of carnage. That's good. So the video that Brett Bonn. So we'll just start here Brad Bon. Earlier this year March mid March twenty. Twenty On shares a series of images and videos on his instagram at BBB. Alaskan you can go there and look. At this time, guys got a couple of hundred dollars eight, nine, hundred dollars. He shares this video and this photo and there's another there's there's a series of I believe seven images. One of the images dad sitting. On a snow machine with his big eight foot. Grizzly Bear Lane in front of. Kinda dead. Real did. The neck leading photo, but then you you scroll past that, you get to see the photo of his dad without face scroll even further, you get to see his dad talking speaking rather normally muffled because of the shards of flesh that are hanging down over what would be his lips which are peeled away. The shards of flesh that hanging from what would have been its nose, which is peeled away. One of his is it's It's gone. His face isn't attached to his skull anymore. More like curtain yeah. It's it looks it's the most surgical. At it almost looks surgical. As you said, you can take your skin and knife slide down the middle and peel that thing away. has like weird violence to it, but also look surgical. And this is important for later on because how he recovered is it's it's important that. We know that this was not this bear didn't. Really harm any of the bones in his face. The cartilage is just skin and flesh peeled away. So now it looks like a horror movie. Where his through the shards of flesh and blood, you can see his teeth moving. You almost see the the bone above his teeth, gums or kind of peeled away and he's explaining that this bear came he said came fast came at me fast. There's other clip scene where he's he's explaining where the bear was. So. This is the first time. Officially, anyone has ever seen this officially ever seen this. Shared by the person who actually what is revealed by this kid? Yes. So this is early this year. I got. Sent this to me I'm sure everyone here did hundred times I the DM's on and DM's, and I think it's important to note that it's The first emotion is bullshit. No way not true because I still haven't called my body Matt coat to tell them that I'm. No he because he was coming to me for like. Could this be the expert insights which was like that? Is What makes us think? So there's that there's so many elements to this but one of the things that makes us oh, Amazing. So. One of the other photos in in this seven photo run on Instagram is a photo taken in a place in Wa Silicone Diamond d custom. and. It's the owner of diamond e Glenn and Brett in it is roughly I think nine days after the attack and if you look at it. Okay Glenn. Bon seventy seven year old father of Brett Bond. Looks like he got attacked. Years Ago when you the nine days after his face looks like it's completely gone and there's no way that it could be reconstructed or that he could survive. Nine days later. He looking pretty good. What nine days later he's shopping he shopping he's going back visiting a leather store. He's going. That's where I wind up having that. That's where I didn't even know this, but that's still is puzzling to me there. There is a cascade of puzzling events that you each time you're like no way. And I've talked to and other people on our team of have talked to Joe Fernando and same longer the plastics earth. They had three surgeons. We've talked all three of them. We've talked to the rescue pilot who rescued him. And we'll get to that. We've talked to other hunting guides that were on the scene we talked to a retired Sheriff Meiomi who was on the scene when they arrived back the lodge. We've talked to Brett Glenn Their Mother Lorraine, I? mean. So we've covered anything that you think might not be true because a lot of this will sound like it's not true. We've covered off on it and there's there's people involved that are credible. Have no reason to lie and can confirm. Basically every insane detail of this and we had to do it. 'cause you blake quadruple checked it because you had to because every time you hear it there's no way possible. Because anyway, that's like a phony thing as journalists to be that someone tells you something. Then, you have to be yet say on you know with all due respect. Yeah. I'm going to call people to make sure you're telling me the truth. It's awkward. Yeah. Well, there's an element. Is someone who can corroborate this this guy? Well, what are you saying? Well, that brings up an important element of this story of of the many things we've got to go through to get through. This. So the photos weren't taken this year. They weren't taken last year taking the year before the photos were taken in two thousand sixteen. Four years. Four years he sat on him as he describes. And you'll. You'll learn even more about this. This is informed by another thing that happened to rep on. Sat on because there are private family. They did not want any fame from this and you guys will know we cover bear tax all the time bear tax our chance to get seen to tell your story people WanNa know especially something as insane as the photos and videos that Brett bond had on his phone. So for forty years, these things were sequestered basically on his phone. He may have texted him to a few people. He may have shown them the few people, but it to his admission that's where they stayed. Unfortunately. At the Diamond d custom leather which was. Let's say four years before they took that photo nine days after the attack. Brett's mom the rain Phillips who's there with them at the shop asks if Bret doesn't mind sending some of these images to some of the family members that are there for custom of the owner of custody leather. They he makes holsters. Yeah. He makes holsters and Brett was using. Got Here we'll. Get it. He was using one of these holsters. Spread was when he saved his dad, Glenn lies from the bear. So they're there. And they text a couple of these images specifically, the one that you'll see of them in custom. In the leather shop three of them and the photo that we were just describing of the non but sheikh fully removed face So these two things essentially the leak out onto the Internet because the FA-. The mother wants to kind and share some of these images with some of the folks that are there in the shop that day particularly I, think the owner's daughter but this isn't it's not clear exactly. What happened we talked to the current? Guy who runs that shop and he confirmed that this happened rain Phillips confirmed that this happened they share these images on a message board. We don't know what message board we don't know exactly what they shared. The image is at the time that they were take twenty sixteen you're talking April Twenty Sixteen believe is April twenty fifth when they're in the shop. So somewhere in this general timeframe. They share these images out onto a message board and you guys all know how message boards are, and you know the Internet is. In the in, we won't go through all the details because we've also suss out. Pretty far. In the four years following that message boards share these images that Brett bond shares. Himself for the first time four years later become an urban legend. They are traffic on many websites. There's fake stories about them. They were assigned to a gentleman named West Perkins who was attacked and very much the same way. Glenn Bon. I'M BELIEVE IN TWO THOUSAND ELEVEN So. West Perkins, somehow, we were never able to nail down the exact moment when someone said, hey, that's west Perkins The blue the bond believes they know who it was and. And they're suing that person. But this is what kind of gets to the point where Bret bond wants to share these images now because four years later. This thing has been called a hoax. It's been signed to another man it's been. 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He shares the pictures then the pictures spread out over the course of years years years, and as is the kid that took the pictures. Is He. Aware. So. He's aware that we're photos. He took her being he's aware misconstrued in Oh. Okay. He knows that this is going extremely agitated by. Not a surprise now they're not like Oh, we didn't know I got 'cause he's like what the Hell that's my dad to this guy this fellow West that the. Did. He somehow take ownership and make some sort of monetary gain off these pictures. No. So how's he getting sued? The this is something that we've not nailed down. So I don't want to bring. People to get sued, and then it turns out there's no standing west isn't getting sued sued the reporter that the bond family believes fabricated less perkins story connected to the imagery. Is Getting DOT possibly getting sued. On the Lord they believe he fabricated the story and then sold it to other Alex to make money. That's what they believe. So he using using the West Perkins story in the bond images profited, which I mean you know West Perkins if you we won't go through West Person's entire story. But if you think if you read his story, it is. Similar to that of Glenn. Bond. But if this dude not to get too off track here but if this dude if this journalist. He was using pictures to which he didn't have permission. Yeah, and Sarah. And I won't mention all the websites. Some of you will know they're in our industry and we've talked with people at these websites journal journalistically. They. Sold these things as click bait right west Perkins man with no face. West. Perkins man with no face all the way up to and I will mention this guy's name Tom Morandi Thomas. I introduced myself to one time. We are two months into this investigation and it was legitimate investigation and shout the JOE and Sam for for helping with this. Tom Aranda Post this is after this is months after Brett bond is posted these images on his instrument. Tom Aranda. Post images on his instagram and says, checkout West Perkins. This is this is a month ago check out West Perkins. No I used to by Tom Arandas. Not, DVD's VHS tapes. He's the. Kid. I had like water trapping with Tom. Randazzo. TUMMAS. Best just imagine for me. It just highlights the fact that the Internet you just put this stuff in the blender that is the Internet and it shoots out weird things at weird times and so we ended up just saying Hey just by by the by Tom No. Using someone else's images here attributed to them to. Something, that's not true for to get some traffic on your instagram and what Tom Think about that. He said, well, I got it from this story from the American Shooting Journal, it was passed on to me from an outfitter in Africa. So we'll that American. Like Okay That American journal Yes and then American shooting journal article if you Google today I think Bret Bombay attack it it might come up it comes up on the first page, and so we're GonNa get to hear the actual Barry Tech's okay. That's where people can play in when we did a podcast about this, that took too long to get to the various, but there's so much auto. Care Way Yeah. So here we go. So now we're at the point where we have the first elements of this where there is a conspiracy, there's this internet or legend around these image. All the stuff has happened. Brett. Glenn their their mother slash wife Lorraine about this. To them. So this among other things leads to Brett sharing these images and when he shares the images. Does he share them as setting the record straight man No he shares them as. I want to highlight bear safety because he's trained he's he's taken training. He's taken very constructive. Very helpful tone. He takes very constructive a helpful tone saying like, Hey, you're in bear country check this out. He does I mean I don't want to give a spoiler alert the do hunting and grizzlies yeah. Okay. You're inviting a certain proximity which that's a whole nother there. There are some the you run into some around stuff here. But this this is so detailed and so deep that there's almost no way you're not gonna run into some stuff that doesn't doesn't really this story I stole this someone down the road but this is one of those stories that makes its own grave. Yeah it's. Fully. So if you WANNA, if we wanted to go back to the actual attack and we'll go through this brief because it's got a lot of stuff that lingering, it's lingering you WanNa know what actually happened so has face. and He we know the as his his face ripped off. We also know that nine days later he's doing. Okay. Generally. Okay. Walking around talking to people taking photos. So now those are the kind of fax, the structure what we know well. If you want to get to know Brett and Glenn Bond. Glenn. Bonds. A retired teacher they're both natives of Solo Alaska Brett bond is a thirty old hunting guide has been hunting guide basis whole life. You go as instagram you look around this dude is an Alaskans Alaskan like he's hunting fishing. That's what he does. He guides all year round. He guides bears. Caribou would've everything you know that to be available in Alaska. This guy's done it pretty hard core outdoorsman. His Dad is a similarly hardcore outdoorsman, but he was a retired teacher and also a hunting guide and it's free time. These guys have had scrapes with bears over the years his his dad was charged by bear with client one time. There's this whole story that you can read about or listen to in our podcast. So these guys know their way around this country they're not rookies. There's no way to think that they don't know exactly what? They have to do in fact, Glenn Bond has killed a charging grizzly before so he knows he knows what to do so these guys. They've been together since Brett was seven. He's now thirty three's dad's seventy seven. and. They decide that they want to go on a bear hunt. It's April. Think I WANNA? Say April. Yeah. That's Inter-. It's in early April bears are just coming out of their dens or still in their dens they're gonNA take snow machine up the Denali Highway into the mountains it's not on actual highway. From a lodge. Twenty five miles they win on snow machine. So I was trying to speed this up because take awhile twenty, five miles snow machine they're gonNA, drive he describes in detail that morning said it was it was a beautiful morning. It was just starting to get warm to the snow is starting to mount. So they didn't want to get too far away because they didn't want to get new situation on snow machines where they couldn't turn back if the snow has to melt. Too much. And so. Brennan Glenn Come upon what they think is a den hole inside of Hill. This this hill is pretty has a pretty steep slope going down to where they have parked their snow machines. And They see Brett sees. Tracks going in and then possibly track going around the backside of this dense whole inside of amount. So they have this conversation. What are we going to do? They're looking for a bear. The pressure there might be one in their Brett decides he's going to go back and check for the check for these tracks exiting tracks to see. He goes up this up the slope around the den. He's check for tracks he hears screaming. His father is as described it to me. Behind him maybe one hundred yards maybe less down. Glenn, Bond, is sitting on a snow machine like facing the den basically. This bear comes essentially charging out of the den. Brett remembers hearing Glenn saying he's coming out he's coming out he's coming out and before he can turn, he sees a flash of for this eight foot grizzly comes out of the den. And basically has Brett describes it takes his father like a rag doll and just throw them down the. Hill but his dad's lineup trying to crack. So his dad so his dad has had this happened before he's got a rifle in his hand he gets a crack at it. As the bears run and he pulls his rifle up. And again, he's done this before blowout grouch while turns out the bear had just dipped down into a little depression. In the space between Glenn and the Den. And he shoots over the back of this spare. And got you know seconds and it's on and they're they're rolling down. The Hill together. And so Brett turns around. See this happening. And the reports from the folks and investigated the state fit while officials investigating his footprints look like. Track athlete. Like he doesn't. You know as he would describe, it doesn't really remember what exactly did he pulls. Is Three fifty seven pistol from his diamond. D Holster three, fifty, seven, I think it's three, fifty seven. I don't WanNa get. I might be wrong about that pulls his pistol. This is where the this is. This is where it Internet trolls. Yeah. They'RE GONNA say. They're like, Oh, three, fifty, seven, he was three to five. I'm sorry Bret with them. Wrong forty four, meg. He's GonNa shoot twice or you know sorry if it was if it wasn't three, fifty, seven, I'll go I'll I'll amend this if I need to. We can look it up but. Pulls his pistol. And, just sprints towards towards his dad. His Dad at this point, the bears on top of his father, all that Brechin sees the bear. And His dad and blood then this is. A Malay they're screaming as you would try to imagine what might be happening here he runs to his dad. Pulls up. His pistol. Think fifty. Or three, seventy, five. something. He dumps a couple of rounds into the vitals of the bear. And at this point, the Barracuda stumbles off, his dad stands up he shoots it in the chest. It comes down a little bit. He at some point in all of this shoots between the is as it's coming at him. He describes is like I knew I, just knew I had to give it and my dad and the bear and at some point I knew if I didn't if this shot didn't go exactly where needed to I was dead my dad was dead. And this is all I mean, this is madge in this happens in a span of thirty seconds forty, five seconds who knows there's no way to timing out. All of this happens. And if you if you think about like It's Here's a guy that's trained in survival his he's trained in backcountry medicine. He's a guide kind of understands this. So I think some of this for him. If I was judging his action, some of just what he would do for anyone but there's an element of. He gets this done as he describes the he describes it in a pretty calm way. Hey, man. I ran down the hill and boom boom boom. Spares dead. So bears dead. He describes. Thinking he's GonNa seeing his dad and pull a blood thinking. He's GonNa arrive to his father being dead or the last moments of his father's life. One or the other night thinking that. So. He gets over there. And he says. that. His Dad is while his face is torn apart. He's got injuries in his dad is complaining about his wrist injury, not really understanding I think what's going on with the face? And Brett tries to do a bunch of things. He checks his father for bleeding. He's he determines that there's no arterial bleeding. He's not going to bleed out in any way that the major damage to the face. So, he takes off his handkerchief tries to tied around his dad's face as you might try to repair the damage his dad immediately begins to choke on flesh. And so at this moment at this point. His Dad is. Talking Fairly coherently. Doesn't seem like. Other than complaining about his wrists seems like he can he can have a conversation with his son the physical act of talking though it looks like it would be really hard. Yeah and there's a whole other as we get down the road in the store the whole bunch of other things that happen that you just you don't think with an injury like that that he would be able to pull off being that cogent or at the physical act of moving your mouth up and down your tongue up and down and making the words come out yet not just the mental state bill actually being physical harm words physical part. So you fast forward to how this video gets made. Glenn Ban never loses control once I think he realizes he's not going to die Brett realizes he's not going to die in the moment. Glenn Bon is the toughest person I've ever heard of. He never loses control. He's extracting his son what to do he instructs on to take this video. So his mom so they can, in case he dies or something that his mom will know what happened. So, there's somewhere out. There's a minute long video of a man with no face this explaining these things explaining what happened essentially. And so. A bunch of things habitation about an hour I believe if I'm recollecting that right about an hour to get on the snow machine and head back to the lodge where they were staying, it's about twenty four a little bit over twenty, four mile ride on a snow machine sleep. So Brett loads his dad up behind him when they ride, I think it takes another hour to get back to the lodge all the while his dad is his back there with covers face up. There's there's not a whole lot you can do other than just. Rod Snow Machine. To this point again, you're eerie. This guy is with it. He is talent his son what to do. He's telling his son like we gotta calm down. We got stay calm we got. What we gotta do. With able to radio for help ahead of time. Yes I believe they did because well, they they radioed for help but they're staying at a lodge. That's pretty far out there in the story that we're working on continue to work on we talk about exactly how far the lodges from the nearest town and then the town from the nearest hospital this all comes into play when they finally get back to the lodge. They meet a guy there. Named Dan asked this sheriff in Wyoming and he believe is Brett's Godfather. He's got a relationship to the family there. He knows them. He's the first person who sees them comeback he this is a guy who's been share for. He's a retired. He's been a share for forty years. He seems shit. He's seen some people shot seen some awful things. He says worst things ever seen his life by the time they do twenty four mile ride back to this lodge. The skin. The flesh that was you can see in the video is now sloughed off of his face. As they described it to me, the Chin is exposed like Chin. Imagine you're the bones. Hundred Chan is now exposed. So. They now have to go to they go to the owners allies they start calling from ANTIBAC- helicopters to come take him. To Hospital. They. So they do all of this while this is happening, they can't get anybody to commit to come I think the owners the lodge said they went through two or three phone calls for the could get somebody to commit the weather timing location that they were safe to come and pick them up and ferry them. They'll hospital. While this is happening Dan is out there trying to keep everybody calm. He tries to give he he describes more he's trying to give he's asking Glen Bond Hey. What can I do for him? Glasses I'd like to get a sip of water. He puts to get some water. Put the Straw in it tries to give it to Glenn. Glenn can't get the straw in his mouth can't. Get the straw through the shards of flesh through Gore and into his mouth and can't. Drink. So. There's just a moment that I'll from that from here in that conversation moment I remember just like denotes how ridiculous. All this really is. So. At. This point they finally get a hold of a guy named Brett West Scott. WHO'S A MED Alaska pilot he's an US army pilot in Iraq places. Great Dude bad ass dude. He agrees that it's safe that they can fly. They'RE GONNA go pick him up at the lodge and ferry to Providence Hospital the hospital in Alaska most. They're GONNA, go there pick them up taking their. He lands he describes he's got to flight medics on hand. They land there. He describes similar this guy seen some shit as well. He's he's been through war. He's ferried special operators into missions. He seen some stuff. Same thing says I've never seen anything like this is my life. I thought this person is GonNa die. There's no way at this point you really like the pictures are true. Yeah. In this is where that's important too because I'M I. We're continuing to say like there's no way and we're not even to the most amazing point I don't think. There's no way and then you get these people have no reason to lie that have no reason because we I won't I won't mention the names of the people along the investigation we ran into people that said this bullshit people in high ranking. Spots. In Alaska Fish and game other places, they won't say this on the record. We've had vile. They're saying the photo was bullshit. Asaf nursing, it looks like. You had your chance. Any. So this West got another really good interview really talks about. What happens when they come to pick him up and you show him the picture And he says Yep. Oh. Yeah Yep it's worse. He. Doesn't do justice. That's what he says. He says by the time again by the time. All this is hours later when he arrives all this skin that was kinda newly ripped open ripped off of the skull of Glen Bonn has kind of through a snowmobile ride through timeline around drink water. All these things has kind of like peeled itself away fallen away. The weight of the flesh is pulled it away from the face. And so he he describes this as they're getting. I'm sure how to turn this over but as they're getting. Glenn onto the helicopter Brett Bon who has been a hero to this point. Is taking photos as a cellphone. He's taking photos of the badges. Of the flight medics and the pilot, there's a quick for I have to do a quick version of a story that would take a whole nother to tell at this point. So when Brad is taking photos of these people's name tags. The plan is to take Glen to Providence Hospital, which again I says the top hospital Alaska your face is messed up you're going to want to go there probably. Glenn and Brett both refuse to go there. They want to go somewhere else they will not go to providence and I have to go through this quickly apologies anyone that was involved in this that really wants to the true story out there. We'll get it out promise. The. What happened years before? Brett Bonn. is on a bear hunt. Years before five six years before this twenty, sixteen attack. He's on a bear hunt. He has incredible. Insomnia doesn't sleep for ten fourteen doesn't see for over ten days. Comes back to to Assila. Goes to the hospital they give some some steroids apprentice only think he just has. A. WHO. Knows what they think he has terrible insomnia. This keeps getting worse. His parents bring him back to providence medical bringing back to the doctor eventually makes the province medical. He goes through a psychotic break psychotic episode that lasts. Months where I read a five hundred page legal document of discovery from all of the all the doctors nurses that treated Brett Bond. He goes through. A insane ordeal or six or so months where he is. He doesn't know where he is. He thinks all the doctors are F. B. I. Agents. There's there's reports in these medical documents I read where he's in a shower with his clothes on defecating in his own pants. He has a prolonged saddle battle where they are giving him heavy doses of steroids and other drugs. His parents that his his mom? Lorraine. Phillips His dad there witnesses. And so they don't believe in medicine. They believe the medicine is the problem. So they have a battle with providence medical team over this. Eventually the providence medical team bans. The parents from. The visiting their son, they only give him like a couple of hours a week medical custody. So eventually, this goes into the courts take metal see I am skipping over so much but they. Say there's some serious foundation laid for them to not want to deal with providence medical. Where do you see their yelp review of? that. Great so they so I'll just say disappointed eventually Lorraine Phillips Brett's mother. They they go to a different hospital. The Rain Is. A nurse is after I can't. This is going to be bad after there's a legal battle. The State of Alaska medical custody of REP on. Because they feel like his family is threatening to allow him to die rather than have him take medicine this whole thing eventually this battle get. So intense a nurse is wheeling Brett Bond into an elevator in a hospital. According to court documents the rain Phillips comes in pushes pushes the nurse takes Brennan Bretton Wheelchair pushes him away takes them to a Rehab Clinic. Kidnaps Kidnapping Nassar Own kid that's there is such thing as getting. Hit this was in the national spotlight international spotlight if you grew Google Free Brett Bonn this is all pre bear test. It's all way pre bear attack. So I, say to grave this is it's makes its own gravy. It's a civil liberties case had been making its own. It's the gravy is it's three as gravy already thick. And I apologize, Brett Glenn Lorraine I just butchered that but you guys get the idea that there was a national story. They're still longer telling the abbreviated version under duress under duress I'm asking for the because there's no way. This would be just hours and hours. And folks, they're going to be able to explore this whole. Yeah. Yeah. We're GONNA, we have a podcast where I talked to Glenn. We went through this, but we're going to do more because I think this this needs these more I've talked to Brits lawyer. Mario Bird up there, and he just he laid it only pretty heavy that this is a civil liberties case. There's a term psychological rights that's now involved. There's all these other things that we get into another time. Anyhow this is why. Britain Glenn do not want to go the Providence Bret. told me. He's like the reason why didn't WanNa go because I spent seven the way he puts it I spent seven months behind the walls at providence he describes a prison. In the court that game. So anyway they get in, they get in the helicopter they decide they're going to go to mat-su General. which is a hospital closer. You know probably less suited to take on this gets his name from the Matt New sit in the rivers. Cloud could be on here. Here's another point there in the helicopter flying down some random valley on the way to match general. Glenn Bonds Starts Directing Ka Pilots. On, which is the quick how what the quickest way is to get to a hospital. Here's a face. It's hours now since he was brutally attacked by a Grizzly, bear and he is coaching enough can't drink water. Let's still coach enough to be like take a left here. Head over this way. So there's another point now you gotta get to in the urban legend during those four years where no knew about this. There was a point in a message board posted I read where someone said I heard Glen Bond. Never took any painkillers and narcotics any medicine during this ordeal I believe believe it is true. So I, talked to Dr Susan Dean the surgeon who put his face back together now. This, the gravy is you're aware the gravy at this point this is even more it's bubbling. Yeah. This is even more gravy for you. This is a big pot. Dr Susan Dean, is Awesome People at work for her I talked to people in office they. She's like a God to them. They love her she's a bubbly effervescent person when we first talked to her she said. I love the Gore of plastic. Surgery. And I love bears. In her office. Hangs a sign on the front door that says, bare feet. Welcome. Be a our feet welcome Scott Bear signs. The Floor Mats Have Grizzly bears on her business card has a grizzly bear on the logo of her practice. Is A grizzly bear? There's pictures there's cartoon Grizzly bears everywhere in her office. And she describes herself as loving the Gore. Of Plastic Surgery. So she happens to be at the hospital that day when when Glenn Land And need some help. So she is she's called upon to go take a look at this guy. She goes in there she's talking to him he is. He basically says just do it here. referencing the surgery just to it here. There in like an e e area. This is as you imagine a pretty complicated surgery he's like just. Do some do some local anesthetics into here. She has to explain to him hey, we kind of we have to clean this up. She makes a joke that the bear pride and brush his teeth before he ripped your face off. they have this conversation where she's trying to convince him to take some sort of narcotics, some sort of painkiller something to help. Dull, the pain of what is going to be an incredibly invasive surgery because they must clean his face been. Such a long long time just trying to hugh the pain. Take a break going to. On this one. Yeah so They, they develop this report which remains today. Years. Later, he's a hard man she is she thinking guns and roses. I wasn't comment and I was coming on he'll in the pain. Oh Yeah. Not Comment on length of the give me a guns and roses media shirt singing that song never seen that before is that on sale. It soon. Call Dot Com. Dot Com. Not Make it a pain a pain management reference. Good. They sent me the so he does indeed refuse refuses they sent me even the local anesthetic. There's some local anesthetic involved because I think it's impossible. It would be impossible to do with that. WHO's against his religious convictions to take Medicaid to take like heavy medication I'm hesitant to say that but that would be the assumption hesitant to say I've never talked to him. He's never spoken publicly on this his wife. Has told me. You've interviewed his kid, his kid his wife you know talked about him a lot. So I'm hesitant to say that's what it is but. All intensive purposes that's likely what led him. To refuse those that treatment and they sent me the the medical board in his hospital room that says, you know, no narcotics nothing no blood transfusions no nothing like that. And so he goes through. Cameras like one surgery that lasts three or four hours, and if you go back to the time when you first saw that photo, if I told you that the dudes face was put back together in a couple of hours by one surgery. He had two other surgeries months later to fix ear and I believe. His or knows, but these are months later. So this is one surgery. With no painkillers. He gets another piece of gravy. They had most of the the rooms in the hospital were full the chilled. So they had to bring him to the children's. Section of the hospital lucky kid to recover. He goes into his recovery room it's a children's room. It's full cartoon bears. The wallpapers cartoon bears. And so he recovered enough the bears already. People with the bears. So he recovers. And again if you get into the relationship that Lorraine Phillips. His wife had with doctors providence during the free, Brett Bon incident. This is a very combative relationship. It's ridiculously combative and it gets it's mixed up in religious ideologies. All kinds of things you know civil liberties but then you have the relationship between Glen Bon in this Dr Susan Dean, which is all about respect. All. About talking to each other listening to each other. And they get through this. Is Clean as humanly possible nine days he's walking around. Didn't take a dim visit poster-shop visit in the shop, and so she listens to him. And all that. So anyway, that's. That's really not not the end of the story even then but. Let's. Okay. What would be the motivation? Like I don't get like like I looked at it I'm like that's not true lie. But. If you think about people that still were would want to say like, Oh, it's not. He didn't that didn't happen. It's fake. Yeah. What what's to gain I thought about this a lot because I thought about my own proclivities bullshit when I first saw it. Now you remember Spencer, there was a a very fake. Situation it was only maybe six or eight months before we learned about me the mummy guy who was buried alive the Russian guy who was buried alive by a and then discovers the hashed cached by bear and there's this video online video of a guy that looks it looks so real like a mummy like a mummy. And so that's what immediately came to my mind. That generated a lot of clicks. Yes she. So you start to think of what is going on here. Some people are just pranksters some people WANNA get clicked some people like the macabre who knows there's no way to really know. But that that came into my mind is like this that story because it was completely debunked, but it looked very real very compelling. We all I remember when it happened when we were actually in the office, we're all walking around going won't see this. See this, see this, and the the origin of that video was like a motive. You wouldn't even think of it was for like the set of some low budget film they were just like messing around trying to figure out make and it's just got out on the Internet like when you ask about a motive, right? Like there's You can't even comprehend. It doesn't that doesn't even necessarily does a motive, but it's just the the way people to put things out into the world. Yeah and so you know maybe this is a real photo and it got distorted which was the actual truth. Maybe this is I had people read articles of full articles of people debunking this as Hollywood special effects as people saying it was completely fake obviously fake. Obviously a hoax I got another question for you. Who is the guy? The the the photo was ascribed to. West. Perkins. What so wes about this. I, have. Kind, of close to getting a hold of West but but he's not active about being like that's not me. I'm not I'm not positive. If even knows that's what's really going on. So he might not give a whole big. He might not give a shit about all this, and here's another thing this win when this happened. Most bear texts like this especially, like this one are reported on somewhere in detail. Now they're not all national news they're not I mean, we kind of. You you've within twenty four hours you usually always almost always. Tell you if you hang out with the right sorts of folks like someone got scratched. Scratch yesterday in in Wyoming or whatever, and so that's what you know. All this stuff is Kinda. Come back to me where a guy got attacked by guy was ride his bike up and big sky and got ran into a grizzly bear turns out. This is earlier this year wasn't it a woman earlier see? No I mean. It was a guy I heard just around town about thirteen different versions of that story before I actually read a version that he told word gets out out. So that's what. Happened here, the West Perkins Story Fairly said very similar to Brian Glenn Bonn. It was covered. It was written about it was covered in multiple multiple real actual news sources covered that. Bread. saw this one didn't get picked up. They made sure it did when Brett called it in he's he didn't even name himself. He said a hunting partner. So if you go back and look, you'll see reports this report I buried underneath another attack at a teacher was attacked and same area within a couple of days of of Glens attack. So it gets buried and some of the more national stories with a quick varitek yeah coverage story go My brother is going up river in Alaska Hunt Moose and they stop and talk to your dude for Awhile And they're dragging their canoes up river bullshit with the guy for a while they go about their business they go on the river in Hunt Moose they get home everytime a guy that got mauled. On the river there Hon. What's interesting. When they finally see the picture, its the guy they just talk to you who got mauled today they talked to them after. They shot the shit with him. Go up the river he gets mauled, and then like ten days later they come home and hear about a guy that got mauled look like they had been rapping with I. Hope he I was hoping you were GonNa say he forgot to mention it now before it was after like butterfly factor at it's like had we not taken up so much of his time This dude. Stumbled on a gut pile of another moose hunter had been claimed by bear bear scratched him up. Maybe I can't remember the dude lived or died, but he'd got scratched up pretty good enzo or. I mean there's so much that goes into this if you try to really draw some conclusions from there. So many of them, but one of them is give me one. Well, one of them is the way that we treat this the way that we talk about bear attacks the way that we wanNA cover them. Why are we so drawn to bear sensationalism? Well, yeah, these are sensational. These are life and death sensational stories that were drawn to and that and because we're drawn to him in the way that we are, we tend to embellish them or we tend to a guy told me. And so that's one element of this I think also. I think there's something to be said for knowing that there is still like real danger from wild animals out there and that we harbor a little bit of nostalgia for that Shit Absolu- There's that quote about you know fighting against the Wilderness until we could become civilized, and then once you're civilized. against civilization yeah. For the Wilderness, I talked to a neuroscientist on my show recently. Guy Works, at Mount Sinai and he did some studies on. The predators brain, they studied mice, and there's a in the central migdal others like pocket neurons that they can they mess with don't ask me to really get technical they mess with turn it up, turn it down and see what happens to mice and their predatory instincts. And he was telling me based on psychology and based on our brain works. We have this. There's a duality of respect we have for predators and you can see this in our own culture, where we we both Wanna be them and their efficiency for killing because that's part of what how we got to be. Where we are. And we also respect their beauty in their place in the ecosystem. So we have this like Dole respect for them that kind of leads to maybe at some level what we see in our culture where protectionism. And the hate and the vilification of predators that's happened through the decades past turn of the century and even before that. And so. That's something that. After this whole breath bond thing that I've been looking at Harvard we've talked to Larry Guys. We talked to this guy I haven't Toronto who's a neuroscientist and just try to figure out. What is this thing and why do we have these opinions about predators? And somewhere deep down in there's why we're so drawn to this stuff why we turn it around and make it something that's not. Remind tell folks who of the people you just talked to. They can go and here the story straight from the OH straight from the horse's mouth stray from the mouth straight from the mouth well from your from from from Huntington hunting collective. I can pull it up and give you numbers, but you can hear Brett. Bon. Tell his story. It's one, twenty, six, episode, one, twenty, six and twenty six we then talked to. That neuroscientist, an episode one, thirty eight talked to Dr. Guys last week and actually had asked the ask the Eagle debuted. THC. We? Brought it kind of. A little bit for Yanni. Would you ask most jazz and does he think the pictures through? Like But yeah I mean there's a lot of stuff in there we also went to. Also went to yellowstone to bring it all back Spencer and and went out with a Predator biologist Dr. Dan Stabler and tracked a mount line talk to him about his you know he spends his entire life studying these predators Wolves Grizzlies talk to him about that talk to him about what he thinks they're placing a landscape are to why we believe why we kind of a scribe these Personalities to them while we have this immense respect for them on one side and they miss this immense hatred on the other. So, all that kind of wrapped up in or was inspired in some way by this. Story. We were picking huckleberry on Saturday. Took our kids. Yanni. We we weren't going to zone of death. Okay. You go to my spot. No. But my goodness that we get a lot of them go I heard year for insane man we got we picked twin. Berries. We. Picked Thimble Berries we picked huckleberry we picked. door Waterbury. We picked. And Goose, Berry and in current, which are hard to tell apart. And you know she loaded huckleberry but. I. Couldn't not mention the bear situation to my kids. Yeah. So I said about I wanted to spin it right. So I said, if you're lucky enough to encounter bear. That's I opened it up. Like well, what if it and then I was like we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. And just knowing that I now mentioned it at least. Let's go pick on. Nichols you not to at least bring up the fact that you might be lucky enough to encounter one Probably won't happen, but you could get so engrossed in. Staring at little tiny berries wrestling through the brush on your own that making little squeals of Joyce. Yeah. My son is a the orange bear. Spray Canister is a thing that I'm not happy that he so curious about. Is. Yeah. The about kids embarrassed is like. A Mike. Serve remote chance of needing to spray bear with bear spray. There's the very real chance of my kids spring each other this. Orange can. Through their kid is begging to be shot at your. Sibling it is begging. That string stuff that they score it what it looks like. So he's. Like Dude, if I could only score dead at my sister. Yeah I put him in that little pack pack around trek charge games or whatever, and it's I. Got to bear spray on my hip he's always like. Look. I. Feel I feel that little hand going dead All right man good stuff. Yeah. What was going on get one less thing you know the feeling you described like why we're interested in bear tax and like how it's just like that amount of dangerous exciting. When when I was talking to Brian called the person who found this legal loophole in his own of death trying to verbalize that him and I was telling him, you know from where we're sitting were eighty five miles from zone of death. I was telling me. It's like kind of liberating knowing that exists. It's like. Strangely exciting knowing that just like. I don't know mountain away right just lewer someone over there. Hour and a half I was telling him that and he did not feel the same way. His last words to me is that he said I just stay the hell away. Stay the hell away, not us. Like he feels like maybe there's somebody lurking out there wanting to. Spill. He respects his own of death so much that he would discourage anybody from going there. Really there's just some people out there who hate illegal loophole. Count Him among that class and that's healing that you're describing with haunting among recently bears. I. Don't I don't I. Don't feel nervous I mean I've heard of I've had other. You've had other bear tactic as of I on my show I. Feel More Alert I feel like there's more visceral knowledge of what might happen if I jumped but. Still out there as my brother said man when the time comes. And he's coming at you. You get him one hand on the bottom jaw. One. Hand. On the top jaw. Oh, he read that old all Latvian story about las read the jaws apart. So you tire. mout. Yeah. and. Then you three stooge and right now is to fingers to make the three stooges. Noise He's like he lives in no fear knowing that he's got that trick up the sleeve. which spread? Do the poking with. No, you wait till. They sufficiently tired. Then you pull your hand away from the lower jaw, Zap them and the eyes, and then back down to the bottom jaw, continue the Joss red. Bear. Safety. Perfect.
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But i got some for you today. I will deter just a little bit from what's going on in the nfl. Yes the game on. Monday night between the baltimore ravens. The cleveland browns and fantastic. I understand that the pittsburgh steelers now two games in a row understand that the kansas city defending champions are still moving. Strong are still the best team in the nfl. I understand that the new orleans saints lost to the philadelphia eagles with jalen hurts at their quarterback. I don't understand. And i know people do it. I know people have big houses. I know people do a lot of things in terms of making money gambling. Betting understand that. But i don't see how anybody does anything in terms of winning consistently when you're gambling of gambling if you talk about the nfl man who knew who will talk at each week. I come up here and talk about well. This team in the first place teams vying for the draft position. If you take a look at the schedule they're gonna be playing this team that teams these teams though teams. That game's going to be a win. That game is going to be a loss that game's going to be a win. Unless you're playing the jacksonville jaguars or you're playing new york jets or if you're playing the kansas city defending shopping owns everything else. Man you know who knows new orleans came into the game against philadelphia with a dying game winning streak. Yes i understand that. Drew brees wasn't around in tasted mill. Who's going to be the quarterback within the way that philadelphia look so dysfunctional in such disarray. And you're bringing the guy in jalen hurts the be quarterback you would think especially with the fact that the new orleans saints have so much to play for in terms of trying to obtain a secure that number one seed in the advantage in the in the playoffs coming up today. They would play with a little bit more urgency but they didn't angry bay now at the number one seed in the nfc. And who knows what's going to be happening. Now we take a look at what drew brees. It's going through the fifteen thousand cracked ribs and we don't know with him but the game coming up the the sunday against kansas city. We don't know exactly what his status is going to be. And we do know one thing whenever drew brees. It's back and gets ready to play that. He's not going to be one hundred percent. He's never gonna be nearly one hundred percent effective type of quarterback that we saw from brees breezed through the stretch of the season. That's going to be there so we don't know what kind of quarterback we're going to be getting sixty percent drew brees. Are we going to be getting fifty. Five percent drew brees. What percentage of drew brees are we going to be getting. You'd be good enough especially if you take a look at the history over the past three seasons in the playoffs concerning the new orleans whether they were playing on the road or at home so who knows what drew brees being forty one years old going to be moving making the transition to the broadcast booth whenever he finishes playing. We don't know if this season is gonna be the last hurrah in terms of the dominance in terms of the team that they have right now for new orleans. Alvin kamara is injured. We don't know how bend appears we don't know how much of a of the injury to take him away from the running back. That was considered mvp consideration earlier in the season so defense slipping a little bit against the philadelphia eagles. Look i understand. Hey coming in jalen hurts. You don't have any film you don't have. You don't have a book on him in terms of what he does what he likes to deal with all those type of things as far. It'd be an nfl quarterback but still. That wasn't embarrassing loss. Even on the road for the new orleans saints right now. They're paying the repercussions of it that they currently sit in the number two spot behind the green bay packers aaron rodgers playing some fantastic football these vp considerations written all over him especially a couple of weeks ago when you saw or was it last week whenever the defending champions kansas city football team played the miami dolphins patrick mahomes having two or three interceptions despite the fact that even with those miscues that the kid city came back in in one that football game to To move in the first place the steelers what. What's going on with the steelers. Now is this. Just a midseason malays is just something where i'm not gonna say that. The steelers are falling off the cliff because they lost two games in a row but what it did. Show me on sunday night. The losing to washington. Now we see what my washington snyder skins the fact that they have defensive front which gives you a little bit of hope of your washington. Football fan moving forward in the washington. Dc metropolitan area that that front four is something that you can build around a couple of skill players on the offense aside also gives you hope but You know the fact that the steelers took the penalty off the metal we could use that cliche of washington and he came back to bite them the loss and then going up to buffalo and letting josh l. and do what he did against the steelers it kinda of lets me know that you know or the steelers really going to be that team that are going to be the biggest threat to kansas city. Or are we taking a look at someone. Like say for instance the buffalo bills josh allen after a couple of game where he was so part now he's back into the groove again. He had a good game the week before he had a great game against Gets pittsburgh looks like for now for the near future here to stay in terms of being a franchise type of quarterback moving forward the defense while not playing at the level. They did last. Season is still good enough to win and you take a look of threats that the that the buffalo bills possess in the way you give. They'd beat up on. The pittsburgh. Steelers are buffalo bills the type of team that could give kids city in the playoffs or real chance in terms of a kids. Losing football game. We take a look now at the cleveland browns. At least we saw on monday night. They had the offense to keep up with kids. The city defense is another story and give it up for lombardi and look. I'm one of those folks. Sit up their total about long term in terms of quarterbacking concerned. We're taking a look down the road if we're still here of this planet is still up and running if i'm still breathing in the year. Twenty twenty five twenty six twenty seven. And we're future writing. What the franchise. Quarterbacks are going to be when rothlisburger brady and brees and the generation of quebec's when they're long gone. They're all sitting in the hall of fame. But were they have their holiday jackets on. And we're gonna be talking about the next wave of quarterbacks they're going to be carried league. We're going to bring up names like mahomes. You're gonna bring up names like watson and we're going to bring up names trevor lawrence. We're going to bring up those types of quarterbacks we're going to bring up. Maybe josh allen number one is baker. Mayfield going to be in that group number. Two is lamar jackson. Going to be in that group but the style of football. He's not that conventional quarterback. He's a more athletic. Get less bulky version. You could say of cam. Newton cam newton sixty five to fifty would never your traditional dropback classic pocket quarterback but still because of his physical gifts he was able to go ahead carbon out a nice career in the nfl. Now going to be a hall of famer. But here's a guy who the mvp the league and twenty fifteen but his team to the super bowl beat what they solid defense and running game behind him. He's a quarterback who was never going to be at. Its best at his audible best if he was going to stay back in the pocket and try to forty five hundred fifty times a game and have a game similar. The tom brady was that type of quarterback he was intelligent in other ways in terms of being able to get his team to win football games and carolina and new england. It's different story so my deal is moving. Forward is lamar jackson. Gonna be his generations cam newton and turned the look. I'm giving up on the lamar's what twenty three twenty four twenty five years or so adrian. So he has room to grow it a lot of room to grow as a passer. But are we ever going to see lamar jackson. Become your classic bat quarterback know should we even expect them. Should we even try. Should we even attempt to get lamar jackson to be the type of quarterback no one lamar jackson. Okay so you know what he ain't troy aikman so we ain't drew brees. Tom brady so warren so he one of those guys who they classic drop back passer. That's okay jim. Horrible from the ravens organization. He can have. I mean you know my some type of catastrophic injury. Which if you go back and take a look at the careers of classic in the pocket quarterback. Tom brady lost a whole season. One season while pop in the pocket hit on the needs which caught him to miss the entire season randall. Cunningham got injured not when he was running around but when he was in the pocket bryce poverty green bay packers opening day back in the day. Hit him low in. The knee was torn up and caught him to miss the entire season. So by point in making those types of examples is to say just because you are a running tab of quarterback a lot of times the injuries if you're going to be suffering a devastating injury going to be happening just as much when you're in the pocket than it is when you're taking a hit especially if you're speaking about the knees now a shoulder or head or ribs or something like that. Drew brees got injured. The season his where on us on a hit by minnesota's london where in the pocket. So just because lamar running around like well. You know if you do that. If you're scrambling quarterback and you take these necessarily hits the likelihood of new suffering a major injury or likelihood of suffering an injury goes up exponentially because you're not in the pocket this shows that that's not true or be the difference even if there is a difference. The difference is great enough to where you know. We should be biting the towel and sweating bullets. Because lamar jackson is a guy who had the propensity breakdown not to go to receiver number four or five to go ahead and use his physical gifts to make things happen so van. The phone the raiders ravens organization especially from jim horrible. And i'll give a damn about what's going to be happening five six seven eight years down. The road might letting to be the coach of that team. Five six seventy years down the road. I'm thinking about what i need to do to win. Football game today right now. Two thousand and twenty two twenty twenty nfl season. And if it. Means lamar jackson running for one hundred forty one yards on nine carries and all these for a fifty or something like that fine. No problems lonely football game as the only thing that i'm concerned about the only thing to raise it should be concerned about long term long term investments. I've never seen. I haven't seen yet. Something on the board from vegas talk about. What are the odds. Who's going to be the top five. Who's gonna be the nfl mvp who's going to be the best quarterback in the year. Twenty twenty five. Get your long term odds place right now. So there's nothing like that in vegas so people up. They're worried about what's lamar jackson. Going to be five six years from now when some of the physical Gifts start do declined. Well let's just kind of enjoy what we're seeing right now. From lamar jackson came out of the locker room in the game against the browns on monday. Night because the backup. Marley mc story tours neat where in the pocket thank you. He came in fourth down and made it clear. We made a key pass on. Run to the right. The john brown which Put them in the position to win the football game so the baltimore ravens would. It was a little. It's a little bit surprising. The fact that their defense was so shoddy against the browns the fact that there were thirty five points scored between those two teams in the fourth quarter. But a moral the football game with the cleveland browns feeling rather good. I know that they don't give out trophies for second place in participation in the nfl but the fact that this was a team in baltimore who a week one stop doing embarrassed you the fact that you came back and played do so well against those guys that they have an offense now to where they get hot eight. They've shown that they can play with. The best of the best in terms of offenses are concerned. So when you go up against the pittsburgh steeler offense when you go up against the team. I kid the city or buffalo who or baltimore. Whoever that really playing in the playoffs you have a defense that might not be able to withstand That might not be able to try to win a game defensively but you have an offense now that can put them points on the board so you know what was going thirty five points and winning a game. Thirty five thirty. One doesn't seem all that. Facetious as you speaking about the browns moving forward and baker mayfield despite throwing one interception near the goal out in the in the fourth quarter played a really good football game yet. He's turned a corner in terms of maturity in terms of professionalism. In terms of what's important was not important number bullshit about you know. Child is feuds words with you jackson rex ryan and worrying what the media thinks and all that bullshit. Don't worry about that. Non says man. They'll go mitchell trubisky on the on us with trubisky talking about last year you know. We need to turn off the televisions in the trading rooms and that facility because everything about the bears so negative. We don't need that around us. So you know we need to turn off because it affects our play with all this data typically around when that's going to be your leader. What the fuck speaking about the bears and mitchell trubisky so on a mental level breaker mayfield has gotten past it and i'm glad that he gladly is that for at least forty cleveland. Browns fans 'cause i don't i don't think that baker mayfield is going to be an elite franchise quarterback but the way he's playing now. He continues to progress like getting back on track like he did in his rookie season where he said an nfl record. For throwing twenty seven touchdown passes vegan. Get back on track to the potential type of quarterback that he was going to become then. Then i think baker mayfield is good enough to lead a football team namely the cleveland browns to a super bowl championship. The way baker mayfield is playing the projection points toward a quarterback who can win a team A championship in that. All you want from a quarterback especially may feel who was taken number one one does roll the sports on your host of window. Wallace glad that you could be with us. So those are things are going to be getting more into. I just wanted to hit football. Football's important football is king. Football's important here in america. Here and the racist states of america here. In the united states of america hearing the ignorant states of america here in the selfish states of america. Football is numeral is number one so if you neglect talk about football the pro level then people are going to be taking a look at utah. What about wait a minute. What was going on in the world of sports talk about what's happening in the nfl. This guy doesn't touch about what's happening with the pittsburgh steelers two games in a row. This guy doesn't even mention the monday night. Football game which arguably game of the year in cleveland and baltimore. He doesn't even talk about that guy. Talking about those sports. I'm your host window walls talking about what's going on in the world of sports. Say what what will you win. What world is one of the wallis world in moore's jupiter uranus. So there you go all. Did you hear that. hold on hold on. I'm still talking about sports home for second. Oh raining it's raining. oh finally after. I don't know how many countless days out here in vegas. We only had some rain rain falling on my head. Woo finally so. I'm to do this. I'm finished talking about the nfl today. On the podcast. Also gonna be discussing the fallout from auburn university. Gals mile zone is no longer the coach at auburn to break breakdown in disgust. That i also want to talk about the kubo surrogates five year. Two hundred plus million dollar contract extension the state with the milwaukee bucks whether that means for the dallas mavericks will that mean for the miami heat. What that mean for all the suitors who were planning to swoop in with the cap space and making moves to free up cap space so they could go ahead and make an offer to try to get it in the coupon i'll talk about that. Also wanna talk about james harden situation back at houston back in houston played his first game against the san antonio spurs exhibition game. Twelve points twenty one minutes. I guess you could say. He was looking little chunky for being a world class athlete or will get into exactly. Who's fault is it for. James harden situation. I'm gonna i'm telling about Tim macmahon of espn wrote a really good article about how. Jane's hartson basically ran the franchise. When you leave when you eat wanna practice the lazy-faire type of a attitude delays a fair the non-professional type of atmosphere that was presented in houston how that affected such guide. Chris paul and russell westbrook how now houston is a mess. Because james horn was talking about this guy. That guy in the do that they had to trade away this guy. Four picks of trade away picks so now basically james harden by saying that get me out of houston basically screwed franchise because we over backwards and mortgage our future to make you happy. Now you want out. So who fault exactly. Is it that the organization allowed james harden and do whatever james harden wanted to do in at the bottom on people are going to say you know you make the comparison. Will you know if you give a kid if you let a kid run wild for years and years and years and then you finally tell them to stop it. Looks like the electric crazy. You can't blame the kit for the reaction. If you for years let the guy run wild. That's your fault but then again there was an argument to say yet. James heart like the party yet. James harden the. Do this do that. But i tell you what james harden can go. Well good up in a game. They had a game in la if they had a game the phoenix and they were going to not play for a couple of days. And james would like we're going to stay in phoenix. Well you guys are gonna stay in phoenix. I'm gonna take a plane. And i'm gonna go to la and party. I'm going to go to vegas a party. If they were in orlando they in other parts of miami. We're gonna stay over. We're going to stay over. And i'm going to go down the south beach among party. I'm gonna go ahead. And i'm gonna poorly in atlanta if they were playing against the. Maybe the washington wizards for maybe the indianapolis pacers or or the boston celtics. And they had a couple of days. James was going to be like you know what i'm of flight down to new york city. We're gonna spend an evening partying. That might be wrong. I might be horrible. That might be terrible. Were guide comes back on five hours. Sleep and put up a fifty point triple double. Can you really blame them. I mean can you really sit there and be angry. Especially when a guy who didn't know the meaning of load management he wasn't about that james harden was gonna play every single night. You're gonna average about thirty five thirty six thirty seven minutes a game. He took a morbid franchises. Houston that was going nowhere for eight seasons. Let him to conference finals. Let them to the playoffs so at the end of the day with all of this handwriting. The shame on james for running the franchise like he did in the houston organization. Giving james harden the opportunity to to run the organization like he did when everything goes all said and done. I mean you could say that well. It was a success because we went from nothing before. James harden something with him now. James harden took an engine took it a marathon but still the his lifestyle or his lack of professionalism or his deism really didn't cause the franchise to go off a cliff during those times. It was dysfunctional but it was dysfunctional with a lot of wins and james harden being one of the three best players in the league and playing like at least during the regular season. So i'll get into all that also want to speak about my hoyas. Ninety seven ninety four victory overtime victory over say john's their first big win. They're going to be playing john's on sunday. Getting the dante harrison cuba's hob hip hip. Hooray the future looks. I dunno salvageable with jordan with those guys are no. It was against the john's but you know what in the limited moments that he had against villanova. I thought dante herod played well and q. This looks like a guy who could be an all biggie center by junior and senior seasons. So that's something to look forward to. We gotta get these young guys ready. Take your goodness gracious at tj burder team in and played well and the eight minutes that he was allowed now. We could do something with two-day being planted on the bench coach ewing. I think there would also be very advantageous reclogging. When kobe clark gets ready to play when jabbar simply continues to earn some minutes. Let's see that could be cutting into the minutes by tuesday. Get into that. Also wanna get into a lot of teams get into Those also i wanna get into this. Quixote johnson forward for florida florida's a basketball team university of florida's basketball team de collapsed. That jesus that he's looks like he's going to make the thing that bothered me was the fact that after he collapsed on the court in the opening minutes early part of their game against florida state and he had to be stretchered out. He was unconscious. We did note. The man was living or or dial. We didn't know exactly what happened. The fact that after that happened the deem continued. That's appalling. that's ridiculous. That's mind-blowing that's idiotic. The derelict in your duties. Everybody involved i mean leonard. Hamilton think of fine outstanding men former head coach of the washington wizards back in the day before jay took over the president of basketball operations with the team. But you take a look at someone like leonard. Hamilton who of who's a veteran a decades worth of experience coaching in college basketball. You take a look at someone. Like mike wyche the head coach for florida. How how how did you not. How do you not call the game off. How do you not say look man. We're not playing. The players wanted to plan all that kind of nonsense. No no-one a situation like this wasn't asking the player for this man. We're no no. We're not doing this. We're not doing this in the president's unfortunately the so that you know what when something like this happened then only the game. Not only what. The game called off but the tournament that that team was in. That toilet was postcode for a college. Basketball conference. tournament was postponed. So i i. i don't understand that and then also want to end with corman is the bitch to a ism bitch by by steel. Can we see that bitch leave Espn's the six o'clock espn sportscenter. Barely watch sports center now but The fact that she's going to be replaced with l. Dunkin shows you that karma something and i'll explain my Ammiano he hates each steele. I remember best sage steal but some of the things that she's done in said the way that she presents herself for me the way i look at it from afar manal that i know of her. I'll tell you why. I have such animus towards the steel so all of this all of these topics and so much more was going to be happening on windows world of sports. It's raining outside. Y'all in the las vegas here on the wednesday afternoon with the sun dough and down. It's raining in vegas. Windows world is sports on your host and one of glad you could be with us. State was among brothers and sisters. Shallow konichi-wa k. Pasta bosio so glad you could be with us. I am dancing on the ceiling. Latam rent lionel richie because it is finally rating out here in las vegas. It was a absolutely brutal summer. And i understand. Look there's folks you listen to my podcast for twelve. Thank you very much. You listen to my podcast in pennsylvania in new york. Were you know. Winter storm gale. Is y'all deaths so for you. Guide listening to this program. You hear me talking about this raining outside. it's raining outside. Isn't that wonderful across europe. I'm quite sure right now. Ya'll fuck you man than the other. You got stuck inside because the snow. But i will say this i do being from the watch. The dc metropolitan area the best place to live the best place to grow up the best place to raise your children. Even now the place that ultimately whenever my time comes to leave this world that we live in that we are living in. I'm going to call all the maryland in leisure world. My home still trying to get back to that retirement community day when i hit the age retirement a limit but I do miss the change of seasons. I really do. I miss the snow. I miss the rain. i missed the leaves. Change changing colors. I miss grass. I miss it. I really do and i never thought i would miss rain. I never thought that i would behave this way. When when there will be rain showers when there will be droplets. A coming from the sky. To where i would just stop what i was doing in run outside like you know like eddie murphy delirious. What the ice cream truck of the ice cream people just doing run out very well the same thing with me with with ratings. So you know it's like mcgee little kid every time there's raindrops falling on the ground. Because now he in vegas man. You know i don't know is going to be happening again. I have no idea when we might not. We might not be able to see a drop of rainfall from the sky. Right now was december seventeenth. We might not see another drop fall from the sky which is rain for. I don't know four five six months. You have no idea out here every single day. I don't think it's really rain. That vegas may and like every single fucking day stellian hot sunny and hot selling not selena like can we get something else man. Can we get a little variety. Can we get mainly cloudy. Can we get maybe wendy. Can we get maybe overcast. Can we get something. It just seemed like day after day week after week month after month. Now here one hundred sixteen one hundred seventeen hundred twelve hundred ten and every single fucking day the same thing. Selena leonhardt sally. You're not you're blaming anybody. It's just the way. It is living in the desert and knew what i was getting into when i moved out here especially when i spent a couple of years in phoenix so from nineteen ninety nine to now two thousand and twenty i understand was all about living in a desert. Rain doesn't come that often. But i am. I greatly enjoy it when it does as inclement weather. Where the i wouldn't mind seems to snow on the ground. I only live like twenty twenty five minutes. Twenty five miles outside of charleston. All i need to do is get onto ninety five a couple of exits and they make that left head. Note up to the mountain and those gonna take me like a half an hour or so. Maybe tomorrow after row work. I'll walk brenda what. The damage is done in terms of rain. Because of it's raining down here. I know that the snowy cup of milk charleston. So maybe i'll go ahead in the feed my yearning to see some snow and cold weather that type of thing heading up there. But i don't know let's see if i can make it through the night and then we'll worry about tomorrow when it happens Nobody's promised tomorrow. My brothers and sisters windows world sports. I'm your host the wallace so glad that you could be with us speaking about now. What's happening. i'm not getting into man's college. Football bullshit top four which remained the same. You had alabama notre dame clemson flow. Ohio state with five wins in my last podcast. I talked about. Why do i stay playing this conference championship tomorrow or saturday. I have no idea The loose situation. If they win big deal they might. They might leave for all the loser of the clemson. Notre dame game was if it's a if it's a tough game it's a hard fought game with say. For instance notre dame loses in double overtime or some nonsense. Like that i wouldn't. I wouldn't have notre dame fall depending upon the way if ohio state is just convincing not overwhelming not dominant against northwestern if they win twenty four fourteen or they win thirty five to seventeen or some nonsense like that and notre dame its against clemson. Forty two thirty nine in overtime. I'm not going to change the the seatings at all. In terms of who the top fourteen gum still going to have. The fact that ohio state only played six games should allow them to only be as high as number four. Especially when you see the number of games that clemson and notre dame plate now the loss of a florida losing to lsu the week before let's say for instance that notre dame beats clemson again in the in. It's a tight game do you then move. Clemson out of the playoff contention and then putting someone like texas them again because we have a committee that bullshit because we have rules that are bullshit be cut we have the formulaic equality. That no one knows about even the no one has an understanding even the people who are making the decisions who are the top four teams in college football. Because could we have no idea how they come to that conclusion. I don't know how what's your definition of the top fourteen in college football because if it's if your definition is the same as mine then for the most part the committee right alabama regardless of what happens in the sec championship game day competent regardless of what happens in the acc championship game including your clemson loses and then ohio state bills are typically the four best teams if we're just going on who are the quote unquote four teams in college. Football as of right now do have to say those fourteen and losing alabama losing the clemson again unless they get completely blown out which i don't think they will. I think they'll be the ones doing the blowing out then. They should be the number one ranked team in the country. But how the world say for instance a clemson loses another close game and notre dame are you gonna kick them out of the college football playoffs and put them what texas do you really think that texas. A and m. is better than clemson. Well they lost one game and clubs in law. Okay so what formula we by that thing. So are we just going by wins and losses because is going by wins and losses. How notre dame who lost one game still in the top four and we have cincinnati undefeated. They're slipping at number nine. How can we have a team in iowa. State who lost to moving ahead of cincinnati team who has lost it all it which is doing based on the facts of you know best record in that type of thing. I understand that the global conglomerate of issues in terms of deciding who the top four teams are yesterday. Go by strength of schedule. Yes they go buy records yet. They go by. Who had the most four and five star recruits team. That go by talent. And all that they just i know all those things are put into the recipe when they're trying to bake and come up with the meal of who are the top four teams in college football. Thank you for that analogy. Because i watch way too much. Beat bobby flay watch way too much. I watch way too much guy grossly games my watch way too much dining drivers drivers diamond. Whatever the fuck. That thing is called on friday night but basically what i'm trying to say is the fact that how i don't i don't know i don't understand how those guys come up with. The top fourteen to me is just based on. Who are the most for. Who are the four most talented teams in the country. That's really comes up with. If that's the case what all these ex director to come that nonsense. I mean hell. College football college. Sports is already bastardized themselves. Already know that the game is up we already know what a sham it is. We already know that hypocrisy. We already know that. The term student athletes is complete. Utter bullshit i'll be more comfortable. I would be more secure. I would be more in favor of having the folks in vegas who set betty lines come up with the top four teams in college football. I would rather have phil steele. Come up with the top. Four teams in football. The neoplasms are sitting there every week. trying to we're trying to find out who the top fourteen and look. I understand there are more than just top fourteen. We have to go through the entire top twenty five but then again after the top four. Who really gives a fuck you think i was. I was is up there in jubilation. Because they're gonna be number six. You think oklahoma you'd think coastal carolina or you think. Cincinnati margaret comes out on the davis. Show when you're talking about team falling up falling down and all these type of things to the college football playoff show in their starting off with davis. Talk about well. You know what about cincinnati. The world consented natty. Who was undefeated. How can they be falling. Or how can they be slipping in the rankings. Or how could they be passed by iowa state who has two horses. How explain that and then just ask. Cloud starts with well. You know we respect cincinnati. We think five football team. I hate them. I hate really do this. Shit all like when you go from breaks up with you and she starts off with you know what i think. You're great. I think they're wonderful. I think that you know you're going to make someone really happy. And you know you're just a really swell guy in our time together. It's been the best time in my life but you know i'm breaking up with you going with your best friend. Take it easy or or when you and i. I've experienced this plenty when you walk into the boss's office in he sits down and he says first of all. I just want to say that you're great guy and we've really enjoyed having you here. You were hard. We appreciate all the hard work that you did. And i know that you're going to bounce back. I know that you're gonna make a. I know you know when your next position. You are going to be a superstar. You're going to be a rockstar. You went so much talent as any other so they butter you up just to say in your fired. Well meant sammy. The bull shit. About how wonderful i remember. Just tell me the no fire and move on. Just you know we don't watch here anymore. Your production sucks urine asshole. We're firing you. Goodbye take i you know with the female. Don't sit there and talk about. What a great guy him in my bad in bed my dick too small. I mean you've found somebody else. Because i'm black Well you know. I got to many wrinkles. My potential earning power isn't enough. You've found some better. You just tell me the truth and then move on and then let me deal with my misery in waller so that's the same deal with cincinnati. You know this guy told her about what we think. Cincinnati's the football team they're fucked. It's just just say well you know. Cincinnati to mid major. They're not as the teams in the power five conferences. So despite the fact that iowa state has two bosses they lost early in the season. They've rebounded they played well and we just think there are better teams than cincinnati. So sorry well they beat tulsa. They'd beat smu and they'll guy will say we'll get the fuck we still. We still think those teams that we just mentioned. The florida georgia the texas. A&m because they play in the sec because we think they'll teams in the sec are better than any team. That is because of that. We don't really give a damn that they won all their games revealed. You put georgia same situation. You put georgia florida texas a and m you give them the same schedule that cincinnati has just. What those teams are going to be undefeated and you if you give the schedule that say for is texas a and m. had cincinnati. You don't think that they will get blown up by alabama course. They wouldn't so we wouldn't be having this discussion. So that's the reason why. Cincinnati number nine. And that's the reason why Texas is number five. So you know my dick and call me rick so at all. That guy needs to say seriously. That's all you need to say. So you know all this other stuff about this. I i just and believe me all the other bowl games in the second tier bowl games. Who cares me and like you know. Just give who the top four teams are and let's move on the country. The college football public wants to see the teams currently in the top four positions play in the college football playoff slow unless Ridiculous happens in. North western beets Ohio state men. You know that's what we're gonna be getting. Or if notre dame beats clemson and as i mentioned before if it's tight game are you really are the it. The selection committee really going to have stones to eliminate clemson from the college football playoff. We'll see we'll see but in will we will see. When does rolling the sports on your host wonder wallace so glad that you could be with us all bernini university of auburn now alabama fire head coach gus malzahn. The decision comes less than twenty four hours after the tigers finished the regular season. Where the sixty four record after beaten missouri or missouri. This state twenty four ten on saturday the decision. I guess you could probably say that you know you have gus malzahn dancing in the locker room. Then twenty four hours later dancing out the door with his with the bio checking what you'll beginning in about four weeks but i think the decision to fire mel was probably made or i just. The final nail in the coffin was was issued after their loss to alabama two weeks ago. Forty two thirteen in the iron bowl in a game. That really wasn't that close. They looked around us in. What the fuck are we doing. How much are we paying this guy. We didn't want here in the first place. We thought we had lightning in a bottle after twenty seventeen where he had that miraculous run but arm steak. Let's move on to something else. So according to brett mcmurphy of the stadium defensive coordinator kevin steele is gonna serve as the interim head coach Auburn had two games upcoming weekend and according to espn field. Yates on is gonna receive a wing fort. Pierre in a pandemic are losing their homes where people are losing jobs where there are healthcare. Their health finances are going through the roof. Malzahn to go away will receive a twenty one point. Four five million dollar buyout. That is going to be paid in full. Eric b rock kim's first album while good gig if you can get if you wanna fire me and give me twenty one million be more than happy to get my place over and the kid. All the islands in montgomery county maryland. Sit back relax and chill Malzahn coach for eight seasons. He had a sixty eight and thirty five record. Six bowl games a trip to the bcs national championship games. I seasons coaching twenty thirteen. But with nick marshall marshall and all these other guys malzone coming over from first high school over in arkansas and then he served at the offense coordinator for arkansas for a couple years and then he was the offensive coordinator for allburn. And you know he was this guy with this fast pace. Uptempo offense is gonna revolutionize the game of football from a offense standpoint so when he became the head coach of auburn in two thousand thirteen. It seems before a good gun. Miley data mighty gym jim. Jim ross. say they will ahead way to the championship. Game loss in florida state but good tires were coming but after that opens failed to win an sec title. They tied for the sec. West division title twenty seventeen other than that. They've never wanted outright and that only seventeen year. They lost georgia in the sec. Championship game and basically. That's it and when you start putting down the reasons a miles was fired. Could you think of thirty to sixty eight thirty five. I mean it's a horrible. That's not terrible. Have malzahn black and he got fired from auburn with a sixty nine. Thirty five record man. We'd be black folks to be losing their minds up there talking some nonsense lloyd. How happen black folk black coaches get screw to get it all that kind of stuff which they do by the way from. Let's say that's not a valid That's not a ballot discussion point. But i mean you know fifty eight thirty five. In eight seasons you take a team to the championship. Game less than ten years Twenty thirteen which is less than ten years already being fired. twenty seventeen. you're you Beat alabama you. Were number one team country. You make it to the sec. Championship game in two year to year years later you're fired again. If this guy was black. I would be the one out there. Shouting screaming about this is bullshit. How black coaches are being treated in this one prime example of how that went down on a lot things again once you pull back the layers devils in the details when you read the fine print. What you go a little bit deeper. You'll see. He struggled against the top. Sec teams. he wouldn't eight and seventeen against alabama. Georgia nellis you after getting to the championship game. As i mentioned before the first year in two thousand thirteen he was twenty and twenty four against teams. With a winning record. You also went three and five in the crucial iron bowl matchups. they'll yeah. He was below five hundred. But damn three wins against nick. Sabin can you name any other coach. That time period. Can you name any other coach in the sec. Who has admitted wins as the smell zone has against nick saban. Let's miles doesn't it. Orbits around doesn't shoes freeze doesn't jeremy pruitt doesn't mark richt doesn't can you name anybody else. Daring mason certainly during mason certainly doesn't miss three games against anybody during his tenure vanderbilt. But then what. I'm saying that. So again i keep bringing it back. You know. we're discussing the things. We gotta have some context. We gonna have all of our. You know we gotta have all of our situations notified. The understood in checked off another this type of things gus. Malzahn went three and five against nick. Sabin that's not a detriment that's That's an ele- boy. Again mel zone. Black and he went three or five against nick. Sabin the great nick sabin which again the weather coaches done and he got fired you. Dan run screaming. This is bullshit this bloody bullshit and this is the problem with college. Sports in college football. Especially if we're talking about the sec. The state alabama. The black man really never had a chance to blah blah blah and beleaguered. I'd be the first one sale at shit but context now. Last time i checked gus malzahn sixty eight thirty five three five against nick sabin in eight seasons and he gets fired and he gets fired and really. This was a guy who was. I guess you could say he went from being the darling after twenty thirteen. How will he did with the program to buy twenty seventeen. They're ready to let him go if you think about it. He was very fortunate that even had an opportunity for the success that he had with auburn until seventeen rumblings like after twenty sixteen like should we fire him to fire him. We probably should fire but you know what after twenty seventeen when he blows. It will give us a better opportunity. They'll give us more ammunition. It'll give us more reasons The fire him. You know. ill make our arguments stronger on why we need to fire him. Well guess what. He didn't twenty seventeen because there was speculation. like melatonin. the way the tree man. If i were you i would just over arkansas. You're from arkansas. You started your coaching career in arkansas. I mean just go back and revitalize that program. They don't appreciate it appreciate you out here in auburn. Tell the skeptical. Fuck themselves and go to a place where you're appreciated. That's was like nah. i'm good. I'm going to stay off this well. He was on the hot seat going into the two thousand seventeen season. So what he did. He led the tigers to the sec. Championship game he defeated number. One georgia and then number one ranked alabama is in the span of three weeks. Remember that rematch with a bulldogs. He lost twenty eight seven. And then i i think he wanted sugar bowl where he played in the sugar bowl or another went to the sugar bowl but they had a really season. So you know on the sugar. High that auburn habitat success. I don't understand the complete one. Eighty that the auburn administration the boosters or whoever the fan base whoever did al mel zones is based on the twenty seven seventeen season. They went from looking the fires after giving him a seven year. Forty nine million dollar contract which shocked and surprised everybody who was a fan of college football so you know it was a situation where hey you know what he beat notre he beat georgia. He beat alabama. We've got something here. Sign a long term and then twenty eighteen twenty nineteen came back to. oh shit. yeah we made a mistake. Am they got rid of them. They got rid of them. Think it's just a number situation here on windows world of sports. I'm your host the so glad you could be with us. Species about gus malzahn being fired from. I think it's just a situation where this was another offense genius. Who sequel would never as good as the original is almost like this is the same. This is like the offense of genius coaching tree. You know this guy who chip kelly who come in here and they have all these outside the box innovative ideas and the going to translate to the twenty first century in a new wave new way of thinking and feeling and doing things and all these types of things they start really well and they set the world on fire and then guess what defensive coordinators finally catch up to their offense and because these guys need the smartest guys in a room. Don't really need to change that. They basically stayed the same and then they wonder why they're not having the same success. Because the defensive coordinator in these schools The adapt a change in the adjust for the most part chip. Kelly really didn't for the most part i mean. His whole philosophy is basically the same. Now we don't know what the situation is at ucla after her bombing with the philadelphia. Eagles syncing with gus malzahn here was a guy who you know quarterback guru offensive genius. Well after that twenty thirteen championship game yet marshall at the quarterback he never really developed any quarterbacks jeremy johnson and he was the offense coordinator cam. Newton wonder heisman trophy so it was like obviously this guy. His strength is building. Great quarterbacks great college quarterbacks. I mean what's his office well when he became head coach after twenty. Thirteen in nick marshall left. He never did that. Jeremy johnson was a four star top thirty high school. All american recruit. This guy was supposed to be the arab parented cam. Newton biggie was strong he was i. Think one of the top two or three do threat. Quarterbacks coming out of high school this guy for four years stepping nick marshall is shaun white never materializing anything last time we see her of jeremy. Johnson was april twenty nineteen when he was with the west virginia rough riders of the american Really showing them. What was supposed to be a guy who gus malzahn could mold into a really good college quarterback. He was arrested for public intoxication and was kicked off the team. He never played college football again. Then you had john. Franklin the third who transferred from florida state and he went to each community as these mississippi community college. You know the guy a fucking asshole on on that show. He transferred over the florida atlantic. And then he switched to wide receiver. And he's done the tampa. Bay buccaneers practice squad. Board chicago bears practice squad one of those two trying to get on the team fulltime as a wide receiver. He never developed into anything jarrett stidham with a five star recruit who transferred from baylor when he transferred him hype around. Auburn was all a man. This is the guy that's going to lead auburn back to the promised land. This is the guy that's going to solve all the quarterback ills and whoa for the auburn football team. This guy's gonna do this. And all of lawfully expectations. That albany football had because jerry still was coming their way he never lived up to the hype when we see now and the nfl. How much struggle. With the new england patriots. Even josh mcdaniels. I'm bill belichick kit. Turn him into something then. Gosnell zone gonzalvo knicks. This guy highly recruited from pinson alabama pinson alabama. This guy was one of these. You know lifelong arc auburn fan being dream to play for the auburn tigers and blah blah blah and his skill set and what he did fit perfectly like a fucking glove. I'm not talking about. Oj's glove. i'm talking about like a perfect glove. A perfect fit. This was supposed to be the guy that was going to leap auburn that to the promised. Land finally gus malzahn himself. The perfect quarterback that he could work with well though knicks. Who i mean seemed like he's been in college for four years or been college for fifteen years. The way they talk about them had a really good start to his career. Comeback victory over oregon in a battle of top ten top fifteen schools a couple of years ago but both knicks had regressed every year. I don't even know. What is he a sophomore or junior. I mean this guy seems like he's been part of the lexicon if a college football for so long. It's like how long we've been talking about this guy again him. Same ellen. Do quarterback at texas seem like they'd been in college for like eight years but he was a guy in bonex who couldn't get anything going and you take a look at it. I mean each year the auburn offense which was supposed to be high tempo and supposed to be innovated supposed to be breaking all these records and doing all these type of things the pace in the temple in production and went down in down in down in down so is like okay. That's nice and remember. You said that contract extension you make seven million dollars a year. You're supposed to be able to compete. In beat the florida's in georgia's in texas a m's and you should be able to compete with the alabama's i think it's ridiculous that you take a look at a three five record that you know that would be grounds for dismissal. But if you take a look at some of the games especially this past Game that auburn lost alabama. The gap isn't isn't a decreasing whitening so on one hand. Yeah i can see where you can you boosters. They pay enough money too much. Folks down there in alabama can go ahead and buy that man money that they're spending. So why do i give a fuck and it's another deal when you talk about gus malzahn being fired which i'm talking about here are windows world in sports the podcast with your host win the wallis. You know if you're going to go ahead and you're gonna have a if you're going to be an asshole as a human being. You better win win bo. Pollini found that out in nebraska bowling. You couldn't you couldn't be an asshole you couldn't treat people like shit you couldn't be an asshole at a press conference in eight and four or seven five expect to get your job. Keep your job. That's the same thing with both the gus malzahn. I'm not saying that this guy was a jerk. Asshole arrogant piece of shit bubble of saying. Is that when you're being described as paranoia and normally when you're paranoia look i've psychiatrists or psychologists and i'm just playing one on the podcast but to me if someone is paranoia there's some real insecurity there and if you're wearing the program off a paranoia insecurity than some tells me that you're not ultimately going to be successful so you heard the stories about malzahn. Once in a member of the support staff out of practice. Because he graduated from the school auburn was going to be playing that week win. One coach says that now zone made a habit of harping scout team. Members about keeping game plans a secret from their family and friends when you hear stories about. He picked up the reputation of being difficult with nfl. Scouts restricting their access for fear of information that would leak concerning his offense than what the fuck man you know. You can't if you're nick. Sabin issue having nick sabin success if you're having lincoln riley success if you're having ryen days success before that having urban meyer success yeah you know these things looked on talking about you know this guy just wants to win and this guy is just that i mean you know the the the the story that's being written about you. The plot is being constructed about you a lot. Different than if. They're losing to georgia alabama louisiana lsu and these season's you're twenty and twenty four against worth a damn that's gonna fly if all you're doing is beat mississippi mississippi state vanderbilt tennessee. Sorry to the sea and of those types of squats in swaddled five hundred in conference. I mean if you only doing that you better be a little bit. You better be a little bit more secure. You better be a little bit more. Hey it's just a game. No big fucking deal we deal with life and death here but you do this shit blown up to fifteen. Or however you got blown up by alabama and you're having a reputation of being difficult with nfl scouts. If i'm a guy the former recruit if. I'm a quarterback anybody who can turn your program around if you're trying to build a talent base for your football program that can be even alabama that can beat an lsu consistent basis and this is what's going on in terms of was nfl. Scouts shit audran. If i'm nick sabin i'm Jeremy pruitt job. If dan mullen thumb any of those guys numb recruiting the same player. That smell zone is. I'm going into that guy's house to shit like you know how difficult he is as far as with nfl scouts. How if you go to my school. How open. I am the fact that we invite scouts in. We invite nfl skelton on a daily to go ahead and take a look at our talent. We're very open. If you go to auburn it's going to be pulling teeth for any skills to get the dough you we're talking about messing with your dream. We're talking about missing with your finances. We're talking about this guy's going to be messing with your ability the go by your mama house in the make sure she working no more to take care of the your brothers and sisters and all that type of stuff. You really want to go to school like that. You can go to my school in the be completely different so yeah we speak about talent base going down. He's speaking of all these other things. And you add munition like that to other coaches to us on recruits and the players. That they're getting. Your program is gonna fall down helga. When it comes to competing against the top teams in the country and competing on a consistent basis against the top teams in the sec west jerusalem be faltering failing of flailing so yeah just another guy who never adapted to change in now other job. Now look again. Twenty one point four five million dollars. that's nothing to be feeling. Sorry for but i think mel zone also again coach again. I mean this is going to be some job opening up again. He can go ahead. Vira him and i'm not him but i don't know what his agent agents say to him but take that twenty one point four mine four fi bill next season. Go ahead and Go the cbs espn. Go somewhere. Go the fox somewhere salon. Y'all talking head shows and talk about this and tell about that. Rehabilitate your your rub mutation. In terms of being a coach when somebody's coaching positions might open up in the future. One or two years down the line. I mean we're talking about jobs. Such taxes michigan maybe stanford maybe in a couple of years. Lsu maybe possibly when you're taking a look those type schools. I don't think malzahn will get the top tier of those type of squads. But if you're looking at a second to your school and the power five conference. I think nelson he might be for arkansas. Doing a good job right now but a program say i think. I don't think that mel zone right off the bat. He could take a top five top ten type of program football program. But i think he's better than amid major i think he'd better than cincinnati or smu or a tulsa or something like that. I think that he's better than that. cheese are we speaking about. Maybe something like an oregon state or washington state a mississippi state. And i'm i'm speaking about the level of pro waiver of those guys have coaches mike leach in lane kiffin even though we don't know how lonely and kip is going to be down there in mississippi state but mississippi wherever he's down but i'm yeah i'm talking about those types of programs like georgia tech tight Who else maybe like texas tech type. One of those type of program would fit a program like that. Well i mean you freeze when he got fired from old miss basically a lot of is based on what he did. You know off the greater some of the law that he hadn't turned up breaking rules. But mean you know She freeze get a job at a liberty. And he's doing well and by all indications looks like he's going to be the leading candidate for the job at auburn him and kevin steele the defensive coordinator. So i think that there's a path for gus malzahn in a year or two to get back into coaching. If that's what he wants again no rush would getting type of out that he's giving so other is the there is a playbook. There is a pamphlet. There is an instructions manual that he can use to get back into coaching and his name and get his coaching reputation. Everything backup to status quo. Go on these you know. Hang out with joey galloway and direction. They represented the big ten network. She go hang out with jesse palmer and in Joey galloway and hang out with those type of guiding urban meyer and reggie bush had met liner. And those guys you know talk and sound smart and do quarterback You know do Armchair quarterbacking and Yeah you go ahead and you can go ahead and do that. Hang renew heisel. Do that type of stuff so there. You go wendell's role in sports on your window. Wallace so glad that you could be with the so again. What type of job is allburn. Because one of taking a look. And i'm thinking about that head. Coaching position is not for in. My estimation is not something i can ohio state or texas or notre dame or michigan. Florida georgia alabama oklahoma. Nick sabin coming to your program. Urban meyer is coming to your program. Those type of those type of guys. Those types of coaches are going to your program You know when you take a look at auburn and you think about what makes a really good coaching position. What makes a really good coaching job. I would have to think the access the talent the programs infrastructure the administrators type of support. You're going to be getting from the administrators boosters. How realistic are the fans. How passionate are the fans. They want nice facilities. If i'm only going up against clemson you can be given me facilities. Which ain't got nothing in terms of what could be competing yet to know the expectations of the job. What are you. what are you looking from me for. Auburn is like what we want to compete with alabama. We want you to compete with that. Lets you want to be competing for the national championships. We wanted to be at that level. We want you to be at the ohio states. In the notre dame texas. I don't think auburn that job. I think they're in the same group. As an oregon michigan state penn state of florida state of texas am schools. That can win championships without question. I'm you take a look at all. The a where they are recruiting why to take a look at the conference that in you take a look history. I think auburn football program. Has that pedigree to where you can win a championship. Saying that ten year span you could win two or three national championship if you get the right coach in there and everything falls into place but if you're the fan base that's expecting auburn to in that tenure span win four five championships in be in contention the other two to three years. Maybe a down year being nine three. That's not opens program. I don't think we get you on the toughest division and college football when you speaking about the sec. This ain't going anywhere. That man might be sixty eight years old. That man bear bryant themselves in terms of his coaching. He's gonna coach them on and then a week later he's gonna croak not wishing that or anything but what. I'm saying that. Nick sabin is that type of coach from what he's been saying what people who know him say he's not the type of guy that's going to say. Oh yeah. I wanna eat national championship. Tamales still in good health and everything. I'm just going to you know. Kick it yes. I can on my house bolton in relax and chill. That's not. Nick sabin this able. I think it's going gonna coach and delete physically cannot do it anymore. And if he's going to be able to if he's going to be of that mindset alabama ain't going nowhere as far as the national powers concern. I think ed order on. Open the air with ma'am but you tell them about. Lsu you talking about the facilities. You're talking about history. You're talking about the fan base. That should be a team every single year. Speaking about the a. Recruiting budget that. Those guys have speaking about the name recognition. You speaking about the recruiting base in the area where they can get their players from. I mean they can go right down the street and get about eighteen four five star recruits. Could that can make lsu delete football program. They don't have to go to california or to airasia or to new york they can go ahead and just doing their backyard and pick the recruits pick the five star recruits off the recruiting tree and have them become an elite program. So lsu now going to be going anywhere. Those are the type of schools that auburn is going to be going up against in terms of the next coach who wants to compete for national championships on a consistent basis. We're going to have to go up and get the texas and the oklahoma's in a floor states. We're gonna have to go into florida in winston battles. They're gonna have to go to georgia and fight off curry smart net machine that he had whether churning out top three four recruiting classes year after year after year to tough job. It's a tough gig. Seven million dollars a year in auburn alabama. Yeah that sounds about right. In terms of a coach with the expectations that the auburn fan base has to become a coach. There that's about sounds about right. So yeah man you a lot of areas where you can recruit but it's very competitive in the region of the country where college football is taking did taken very very seriously so there you go so you take a look up the candidates for the job. I'm taking a look at these candidates as i'm doing my podcast. It's called wendell's role sports with yours. Truly one the wallace podcasting it. Jogger hugh freeze taking a look at the candidates for the job freeze kevin steele mario cristobal over at oregon brent venables he the defense coordinator over clemson billing napier head coach at louisiana. Lafayette man. new open. You want you want. That guy wanted to coach the be from louisiana at lafayette steve. Kerr sedian coached at washington coach. Us fits according to usc lane kiffin. He'd been around the block so those candidates look about right hugh freeze to be the leading candidate. I mean when he was at old miss for five years he was thirty. Nine and twenty five beat alabama twice during the span. One ten games in two thousand fifteen played in the sugarbowl. But as i mentioned before when he had the number one recruiting glad. Robert kindy shea in forget. The guy's last name one on the playfully. Arizona cardinals for a little bit but he was like the number one recruit in an american high school weather time and like they got the kid treadwell who will wide receiver. It was like mississippi pulled off this alabama tight recruiting class in his lightweight. Away to what. We'll will wait a minute. Alabama recruiting these guys in getting these guys understood. Ohio state. getting these guys are understood. Georgia getting these guys understood. Lsu getting these guys understood fucking mississippi really really are i something shady going on down there. They peel back a little bit in yet. Something shady was going on. They were cheating. They were paying the guys. Though that basically tarnished the reputation of hugh freeze he was he was cheating. He was cheating in levels. Put it that way in terms of giving players money and all those type of thing laremy tunsil was up there talking about one of the college coaches when the assistant coaches rolled miss pay them and it was basically a program that had been hit run. Alex was running out of control in the worst part. Is i think the situation was. They beat alabama with that squad in a courses. Like fuck this bullshit. We're definitely going to have to see what's going on down there because we don't need to have mississippi be one of our be one of our games that will have to be worried about. We have to be worried about lsu and other. We're not to be worried about mississippi. So we're gonna do what we can make sure that shit doesn't happen because yeah we might be doing the same thing that hugh freeze it doing. But we're alabama same thing with lsu. We might be doing the same thing as far as bending breaking the ncaa rules that hugh freeze and mississippi is doing. But we're fucking alabama but were lsu. We ain't no goddamn city so yeah we're going to put a stop to that porto so that was the deal and also you freeze it enough. I mean just like yeah. You have this great recruiting class. You cheated to get them and it's like that's the best you can do is when ten games. You got all that talent now. No no. you're supposed to be. You're supposed to be doing a little bit better than that son. So become that they opened up the navigation saul some deals in terms of running a program that was ever control. that was the few freeze. Then you also have to take back to freeze himself using self using a university cellphone issued cell phone to call numbers linked to exotic services dating back to at least one thousand nine hundred forty. Two thousand fourteen said the Review of freezers full record revealed that he doubted least twelve numbers that are associated with online advertisements female escorts. The call took place over thirty three month period beginning in april two thousand fourteen and usually lasted two minutes or less. How much can you get. Aroused decided and royno get your loins going by some female tomlin to your for two minutes talking about what she wants to do to your sexually. Only two minutes takes me at least ten minutes baby. That's what i'm talking about. I'm joking jesus but So yeah so all of this shit that you freeze that went down with you. Freeze said to say bye. Bye but You know he's done good work liberty and he wins in auburn the school. That also employs bruce pearl. Who's had his difficulties. Shall i say with the ncaa in terms of what's right. What's wrong with the rules long as you win. This is the sec. Will wade who is like has the ability down there to shoot somebody on avenue and get away with it type of type of deal. Much as he was he was caught red-handed on a phone. Call cheating i mean. He was caught actually cheating in. This guy still has a job. This guy was cheating and the administration and the fan base backed him up and this is the basketball coach. Not even the football coach. He's allowed to cheat like that as long as you're winning. Everything is a okay. So auburn is cut from that cloth. Now you get your ass kicked by alabama unquote sure. Outside of someone from you could go ahead as long as you can. Be nick savings good enough for me and even if it's isis i somehow someway you know he'd beat alabama. We can spin it where he beat. Nick sabin you know allburn there you go Yeah it's a Interesting time to be a fan of the auburn football team. Let's see what direction it goes when the world. I'm your host win. the wallace. Glad you could be with us donna state. 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Don't worry about you know how many people are listening and all that kinda nonsense. Just do it. Just get used to podcast. Feel outfielder podcast. Because i'm a sports talk radio guys my background. That's all i've done so have debate. That transition takes some of what i did some of the fundamentals sports talk radio on radio when i used to work at the deuce in vegas and sit ups and incorporated into the format which is podcasting which. I've listened to a lot of podcast. Before i started by never really didn't one myself really never thought about it is really sick and tired of the fucker. Radio business broadcasting been the sports talk business a wanted to go into business for myself. Give this a try banana on the beach. Long enough internal getting a radio gig. I'm tired of program director telling me she shit and tell me how to do my program and they're talent does the same thing i'm doing and it's like well wait a minute. How in the world. Not hiring me because of abc in the guy that you're employing right now doing the same type of shit same type of fundamentals lack of fundamentals will ever you want to say ab abc. How is she still have a gig. And i can't get a gig. Well we're working on that year. I understand what you're saying. Yeah we're aware of that. And any other so got tired of hearing that bullshit and i got tired of trying to play other people's game and i got tired tired of doing a show just for program director who don't know shit about what the fuck he's doing. Program directors in sports talk. Radio are some of the worst motherfuckers in the world. In terms of the business is concerned one of the worst things about sports talk radio broadcasting sports talk radio or program director so i got tired of trying to appease into a show for program directors. I'm going to be a show for the people. So the best way for me to do a show for the people doing it the way that i want to do it. What my personality. 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In my humble abode is. I'm recording this podcast on a wednesday afternoon watching the lakers play. The phoenix suns in exhibition game with nobody. At the stadium phoenix or at the arena in phoenix. But chris paul chris. Paul devon booker and lebron in a d have gotten extended minutes but when it comes to preseason basketball just like preseason football not really interested especially when we're speaking about this season for the nba. Seventy two games short of off season quick turnaround in a Nothing's going to be decided in december or january. I don't know when exactly going to be able to get a good feel of who's who and who's doing what who's good. Who's not good now yet. Teams like the lakers teams like the clippers teams. Like the bucks. Those are all all those teams are going to be good. But when you speak about some other teams who are going to be vying for playoff contention in the championship players. Joining new teams. How does that work. Moving forward all those types of things. I don't know exactly when that's going to be. We're gonna be able to get a real clear understanding what though teams are about especially when we're speaking about the pandemic where men we don't know what's going to be happening was gonna be you know what's going to be the the motion that's going to be taken. When if probably win a player gets kovocs not going to be like was last march when rudy gobert got the virus or tested positive for the virus and shut the whole league down. The league is going to similar to. What's happening in football pros in the college. Same thing with the basketball just going to put their head down and see what they need to get to an nba. Championship bus series. If that means played seventy two games that means playing fifty five games that mean playing sixty two games now. they're not going to suspend the season and has started in the bubble. I don't think that's going to be a situation. Because of the summer olympics are going to be happening. I believe in august in tokyo will believe that hiba is gonna one have the nba basketball players available to play for certain countries. So i don't know how that would work in terms of their the pandemic. We don't know what's going to be happening in terms of getting a vaccine. We don't know what the situation where the virus is going to be more speaking about the spring in first part of summer months so all of the things are going to be are going to be talked about are going to be situations in issues dealing with the nba. Wendell's role the sports. I'm your host. Wallace glen that you could be with us. O the regular season for the league. The association is less than two weeks away. One of the major story lines of the season which is now a non story. The second best third best top five player in the league. Janas kupu signs. The supermax deal stay with milwaukee is going to be for the full five year two hundred and twenty eight million dollars supermax including an opt out after the fourth year now. What is posted on twitter on tuesday. He said this is my home. This is my city. I'm blessed to be able to be a part of the milwaukee bucks for the next five years. Let's make these years count. The show goes on. Let's get it so into. It didn't a coupon has been with milwaukee for seven years. I think he's going to be turning twenty six. This is a contract. If he fulfils the extended five years is going to bring him to the age of thirty thirty two. When everything is all said and done with this particular supermax contract so again. Youngest has been with milwaukee. Several years have reached the nba finals. Since nineteen seventy four with some guy name kareem abdul jabbar the big oscar robertson so moving over for milwaukee with the bucks speaking about the packers being green bay. That state wolves. That teen ruled the entire state of wisconsin. But if you speaking. About the milwaukee boxing you're speaking about the milwaukee brewers just. I'm going to go on the assumption based on how well that they're doing type of deal in terms of who had the bigger fan base who had the more passionate fanbase who garners the more girls. The most attention between those two teams will milwaukee has put themselves squarely in the position after the packers to be the most important thing. Sports leagues sports team. Wise in the state of wisconsin including marquette they have one again a title since lebanon the final since nineteen seventy four. They wanna title in the nineteen. Seventy seventy one season was fifty six sixteen. That was the year But they beat the baltimore. Bullets washington was not the detonation. That's far the bullets were concerned they play the baltimore. They swept them at baltimore. Had west on sale girl the pearl monroe. But that was a really good team from milwaukee that stretch Play great basketball. Had a good rivalry with the laws was lakers of jerry west and will chamberlain made it to the finals in. Nineteen seventy four with kareem oscar on his last legs being really effective basketball. Nba basketball player lost in six games to the boston celtics and then the year after that corinne was like you know what man i don't like wisconsin to cold dealing with the muslims started getting my life a little bit hectic i want to go back to either new york or la so he pulled out of that and the davis he did himself james harden. He did himself what many people are bemoaning whining and crying about how this is. What is so wrong with sports because you have this guy's now wanted to be traded whining and crying about that. Well corinne was doing back in. Nineteen seventy five where he said. Yeah milwaukee i know. I'm under contract but this shitting working so You know time for me to go. So he was traded to the lakers in nineteen seventy five for about fifty five cents on the dollar never seen thin. Milwaukee has not sniffed the opportunity to play in the nba championship. They had some. They had some good eras milwaukee basketball's just thinking about nine hundred seventy nine and nineteen eighty-six. I mean they finished in the central division second in the eastern conference seven straight years the reach the conference finals three years but just so happened to be playing in the same conference as larry bird and kevin mchale and johnson danny aines and robert parish and being coached by tasty jones just happen. You're one thousand nine hundred. Eighty three one of the best teams to play in the last twenty five year philadelphia. Seventy sixers with fo- fo fo moses malone and the white boy who played like a black guy bobby jones and julius erving andrew tony and maurice cheeks and clement lemon johnston those guys i mean. That was one of the best teams of the last all of that era off milwaukee During that season the fact. I think that was when moses Full i think milwaukee that year but the only team during the playoffs that actually won a game against the philadelphia seventy sixers. that year. They went twelve in one in the playoffs. So during that time period the bucks a really good team. I mean they were elite players like sydney moncrieff and marcus johnson imbaba near and then terry cummings. Jack sigma ricky. Here's which appeared from my favorite. 'cause that guy shoot. He was they were coached by don nelson. They swept the boston celtics in the nineteen. Eighty-three playoffs. I mean they were. They were a strong team. It just so happens. They ran into the team of the eighties. Eastern conference larry bird and in the boston celtics swept the event from two thousand one to two thousand fourteen. They made the playoffs. Five seasons lost in the first round each time they finished fourth and the divisions eight times they finished five hundred or under ten season so that time period was where i think most people were talking about. World is like well you know this is terrible. This is horrible. this ridiculous. In with the bad franchise during that time despite having such players brandon jennings in andrew bogut and glen robinson and mobile Williams bobby simmons michael rail number of coaches that they went through during that time period to think about these coaches yet. George karl scott styles. Carry stotts yet. Portland's terry stotts terry porter very christova actors now. Coaching over utah. I mean the university of utah so during those years i mean you had reality yet sanford cell and yet glen robinson for just a little bit of a thumbs up positively but for the most part during that time period starting off in the twenty first century to the time that they drafted journalist. Lean times in milwaukee. I remember the situation. Where milwaukee almost had the opportunity to get themselves steph curry and the golden state at the time had been coming off a couple of ankle injuries. And this but before steph curry became steph curry the greatest shooter in basketball history transcending the game of basketball with his shooting his range in those types of things so during the time before that steph curry merged he was in the back court with monta. Ellis a guy who go to college went straight from a somewhere in mississippi to the nba. Second round draft pick. You made a good career. I think you need it. All star game explosive guy about six five. Kind of like zach levine type of player with a little bit less athleticism and those were the backward. Well his problem was. None of those two can play defense. And you have steph curry. What just mentioned before kept twisting his ankle and kept having injury issues with his ankle sold the warriors. Were looking to break death-squad up 'cause they needed a big man. They needed a rim protector. They need somebody to go ahead and play defense. I think this was before. Mark jackson came to coach the warriors. So they want to milwaukee and they were like what you mind. Or let's talk about the possibility of trading for andrew. Bogut you get your choice. Monta ellis or steph curry and milwaukee joe's tails instead of heads in will because steph curry's injury history and the fact that he signed a relatively at the time risky contract now when you blew up one of the best contract and a history which allowed the warriors to become during the see that they were have themselves the opportunity to get themselves kevin durant at the time. The steph curry sign that contract with. I think it was like closed. Thirteen thousand of twelve thirteen million at the time. It was considered risky because of its injury history with his ankles so because of all the milwaukee bus were like. Now that's okay. We'll go ahead and get monta. Ellis and you guys can keep steph curry. How did that trade workout whoops so yeah. There was some lean times in the walking through bad decisions in milwaukee. Remember them to those guys. Drafting joe alexander at west. Virginia i believe what but the number five or number seven. Pick six eight hundred and forty pound white boy who could put the ball on the floor and shoot and do all those type of things he never panned out brennan ray jennings had a good month. The start is nba career at core. Fifty is first month in the nba. Eventually he fizzled out so yeah. There was some lean times before youngest came along and became the player that he was. You're talking about the ultimate underdog. You're talking about the golden ticket that no-one saw coming nobody. Because i remember in that draft. That was the the other porter was drafting number three by the winds. I don't remember even who did them to picks the number one and number two. Because i don't remember. But i remember how everybody was bemoaning the fact that there really wasn't any type of talent in that in that dress. So here's was going to turn out to be possibly a generational talent sitting there and greece. The milwaukee bucks. Pick him up. Everybody's saying who what. How do you even pronounce his name. Where's he from those highlights. Which one is him. The video is ridiculous. What type of what type of recording is this. Look like playing. A bunch of eighth graders at the y. nc c. He's playing some week in greece. And he looks to be like sixty eight a buck twenty-five and this is the guy that you make your first round draft pick this guy. Well it turns out that pretty good deal. Also looks like milwaukee congratulations. It's good for the league is good for everybody. It's good for the milwaukee bucks is in. I think one of the great things one of the interesting things to come out of it was everybody's speaking about you know jaanus. Why would he stay with a box of small town market. And why wouldn't you wanna won't eventually go ahead and play for the lakers. And then maybe he will but you know during the primer during his first opportunity himself a fat supermax contract or get a max contract. Why wouldn't he take his talents to south beach georgia to temple town or to the windy city or to the nation's capital. You got that right or to chocolate city which again at the capital or to gotham. Which new york. Why wouldn't the hell wanna hell. What do you want to stay in milwaukee when he him in him in Luca and possibly zion are going to be the faces of the league. You know moving forward. Why in the fuck when he wanna stay in milwaukee and not take advantage of all the goodies and the opportunities that come playing a major market. Well i first of all. John has always been more. Cover the same cloth as say a kobe. Bryant or dirk nowitzki of reggie miller. Tim duncan edina lillard tight which says no man. I want to stay with my. I wanna stay with one team my entire career. I wanna do a lebron. I don't wanna do k. d. I don't wanna do a shack. The way that they went from fridge. Ikea franchise to franchise for me personally. I don't think there's anything wrong. Think there's one one right way one wrong away. Whatever is best for you you do. What's best for you so this situation. I'm not saying that to say that. Yeah you notice the better human being or better basketball player or moral more loyal of teammate. Because all of his opportunity because of his decision to stay in milwaukee instead of doing the lebron route but don't tell so that essence jaanus. It didn't surprise me when he was talking about. I'm going to be staying in milwaukee then shock near when i heard the news that he signed the supermax with the buxton. Shock mir told me for a loop but talking about a guy who was born in greece. We're talking about a guy who was born in the slums in recent had to face racism and discrimination that me you a lot of these guys who are playing in the nba. Right now of african american descent didn't have to go through and oh yeah. We go through racism and being black on america's you know can be can be a chore and a half instead of some days just being just chore but in the bullshit that identity coupon had to go through being a black man in greece. There's a lot different than being a black man in akron lot. Different than being a black man in pg kelly. There's a lot of different than being a black man growing up in oakland california. It's a lot different than growing up in los angeles. Some some neighborhoods. If you're black at least when you grow up with david hood yet met me poor. Yeah might be having struggles but at least you're looking at those who look like you. I mean look at least you understand your identity in terms of there's a whole bunch of black folks from my neighborhood and we get the culture inundated and all that kind of stuff so i'm not alone. I'm not lonely. I'm not looking around saying where did the people who look like me and greece have that jaswant grown up in a in a in a in a southeast. dc type of situation. He wasn't grown up in a. He wasn't rob in georgia type of situation where he looked around and saw a whole bunch of black folks walking around in the same situation. Black folks in grief. That wasn't his upbringing. I mean he had a stick strong here to with a whole lot of a versity and a whole lot of racism and only had his brothers and his family members. Immediate family members to do that with so this kid. This young man now is cut from an entirely different call. He didn't have the opportunity to go play basketball when he was thirteen years old and form relationships with people who would be the nba also. Who i've been friends with this player. Or i've been friends with the superstar since you know the aau tournaments when we were thirteen. Yon didn't have that when these guys in the summer hard the westbrook's lebron's the collides and all of the guys when go to ucla and play when they go over to Rucker park and playing when they go to the fondue daily houston and play. These guys to miami play guys to their different situations as far as working out in gyms and everything like that. These guys are all working together. They get to know each other. They get to talk to each other. They get the break bread with each other when they you know the type of stuff and those that forms those bombs and that forms the friendships and that's form those forms those situations where they might call during the season and say. Hey man what's up. What's your situation like man. You know what i love to be played with you and then you had a good time this summer. We worked well when we were working together. And if you come here we can do this and we can do that. I mean americans. The basketball player the stars they have formulated. Those types of friendships will the season's over four janas. He goes back to greece. Either live in la. He didn't. he didn't make his off season home. In florida or la or atlanta or new york or anything like that going back over to greece so he's not working out with the other nba superstar. He's not face timing. He's not texting him in terms of status of it. So yeah. I can understand where everything is all said and done. Youngest tastes to a different route tasting alternative route than some of these american born basketball players in says with with wrong with them. The loki walkies cool. This my whole. I went from the streets from struggling in greece to now living in milwaukee and because of his stature and because of the money doesn't makes some some of the bullshit that comes with being a black man in this country sewn he will have to deal with because of his stature because of finances so doesn't doesn't surprise me. That yoenis is saying i'm good. I'm cool the walking for another five years is fine so taking a look at what milwaukee is for this upcoming season. Now you're going to be looking at starting lineup of jerus- holiday and deepen shinzo khris middleton yards and brook lopez then off the bench of jet. Bobby portis free pick-up dj augustine. Free agent pickup marvin williams. Wow i thought he retired. Ersan ilyasova them time last season but a good locker room guy pat coney tin a good athlete can shoot a little bit kyle. Korver would brought into shooter last season but struggled consistent. Ages might be starting to get up to him. So if you take a look at that milwaukee roster if ever team is good enough to win the nba championships when you consider brooklyn boston. Toronto miami philadelphia indiana that that team. That team called enough to championship in your opinion. Yes no maybe. So what's up. I think they're elite I would like to see yards coming a little bit more. Everybody's talking about genesis. Three point shooter three points. You don't need journalist throwing up four or five three point shots a game. I don't need noticed. Thirty eight percent. Three point shooter. I want to become proficient from eighteen. Nineteen feet i mean if he can consistently at like a forty six forty seven percent clip. Shoot the seventeen eighteen footer. The average thirty a game because even when you lay off of him he's so long he felt like he he's still athletic. He stroz he's strong. He's so nimble his get his way to the cup anyway and he's either going to get foul or to dunk you. But those little nuggets with those eurosteps. That's what's really do. So if he can kind of take some of the parenting that he takes when he goes to the room when he goes to the hoop if he can take six or seven anywhere between sixteen and nineteen for jump shots and make them in terms of having the ability to have the other player defender know that this guy can make shot all of a sudden now that pump going to become so much more efficient. That gesture that was gonna become so much more proficient and he's going to be able to get six sixty easy points by not to vote. You know going going into the hoop you know full speed ahead in trying to go through that brick wall especially when the playoff comes when you're going to be facing teams that are to be crowding the lane and make it harder for you to go ahead and slice and dice in euro eurostep your way to the basket so from your standpoint everybody talks about what are the bucks gonna do for your school to do for the bucks. He doesn't he's the mvp. This is not a slight made as a slight but just offensively. He doesn't have that offensively. He doesn't have that repertoire. Aw of offensive. Move yet to be that franchise i in the play offs and i that jump shot is the only thing that's holding him back now. If you add that jump shot. Guess what chris. Milton gets better looks to score now. Chris mill the pickup is game. He's been inconsistent during this time in the playoffs brook lopez. Who's a three point shooter. He's going to get better looks and he's pretty proficient around the basket. Also he's done a complete stiff down there so he's going to be able to do more damage because of that. Drew holidays gonna break defense. Now here comes a guy who's going to be able to go ahead and guarded. Jimmy butler is to be able to go ahead and dr the Kyle lowry in the jason tatum and the career of of the world to do a pretty good job. No one's going to be able to stop those guys but it's gonna be a young. This is not going to have to worry about that. And beat those guys are gonna a true defender who can play some really good defense on those guys amid those guys work which is something that they didn't have last season so in that sense i think that milwaukee's better and you take a look on the bench. Look bobby portis beth. He's known about punching out an newport beach who oversees playing but he's serviceable player. Dj augustine regular season too short to Deficient and the defense to really get real minutes. What the playoffs starts. Marvin william saying. You know our son ilyasova really hadn't gotten an opportunity yet calling tim tell korver really didn't step up do anything last season in the bubble this could all on my budenholzer because again the ball to celtics. Look they have the nucleus back. They have the nucleus back. Tatum brown marcus. Smart timber walker. They picked up tristan thompson horn hayward left via free agents as take seventeen points away. But look botham no way could sign hayward the same that Charlotte pay them. Baltimore is going to be given gordon hayward one hundred twenty million dollar contracts so case roster out the point is is that they didn't get anybody to make up for those minutes tristan thompson. Hit main deal is going to be able to guard not too much of a rim-protector thompson would never rim-protector small ball. Five by guests. Not really finishing around the basket. But one thing he is. He's a tremendous pick and roll the fender. Because the mismatch is not going to be big. When you do that pick and roll in is going to be out on that guard or on that scoring scoring win player. He's going to be doing a much better job. And i think because of the size he's gonna make it a little bit harder. Were difficult for player. Like bam outta by you. Go ahead and do their thing as much as we love in that bubble in the eastern conference finals between miami boston. Talk about the great java. Tyler herro did and jimmy butler those guys they were they were tremendous duncan robinson shooting. Well a couple of games. The mvp of the series was bam our body because they had nobody. I mean nobody to be able to slow that man down. And god bless your daniel ties. I think now coming back to that. He could be a good rotation player. But if you're speaking about crunch time minutes they needed somebody to make a stop daniel types would not the ones do it indefinitely last season indus kanter was not the one to do that so kristin thompson a free agent acquisition now joining the celtics. He's going to be that guy. Are they going to be true. Contenders for the milwaukee bucks. I mean jason. Tatum signed that next deal. So he's good to go for a little bit to go ahead with the deal that Jason brown signed last season. So those two guys are gonna continue their ascension to reaching their potential gordon Jason tatum type of guy but the season i think he's grown. He's now six nine six ten or something like that. So i'm thinking hayward. I'm taking tatum to take that leap to be the guy who's making one of the all. Nba teams possibly thirteen thirteen. I think but if not just right outside it. Jalen brown continuing be robin to tatum's batman there will have to see what they can do about holding ground with with without kemba walker who's experiencing some knee difficulty. So he's not going to be back. Marcus for everyone to everyone surprised. They're shooting threes. Sometimes you get a little three happy. Sometimes he was a little bit too Kobe bryant and his mindset about shooting shots. But marcus spot marcus. Smart not only being that guy who can of course defend the little things glue guy and everything. I think also provided toughness that tatum and walker don't have an really shouldn't really need anyway. Their jobs are to especially jason tatum. Jc tatum's the franchise guy franchise guys aren't enforced or. Aren't you know the toughest guys on the team. That's for people like marcus smart. Let's four like the clippers. The best player on the clippers acquire leonard the toughest guy. The guy is patrick. Beverley so in the to to fulfill that role. So very rarely. Do you ask your superstar player. Also be your toughest scrappy and that type of deal so But the boston celtics. That's the situation with them. Expecting them to come. Maybe what second third place somewhere around there. Depending upon the status of kimball walker and how he returns after dealing with knee issue. Exactly when it's going to come back. No one knows wendell's role. The sports on their hosts window wallace. Glad that you can be with us. Philadelphia seventy sixers. They got a new coach. Doc rivers a new gm and daryl morey bitter pieces from rounding. Joel embiid and ben simmons. Thank you very much still much brand. You can step to the side now. Learned darryl Great job and getting ring. Getting rid of al horford finally got them shooters around to notch shooting guys in embiid and simmons danny green seth curry. Now i don't know danny. Green is supposed to provide outside shooting. But if you take a look especially in the playoffs. Not just with the lakers. Last season and the bubble but also before that with Toronto his outside shot hit three point. Shot was nowhere in terms of being efficient so with daily green being a year older wonder what type of cincy he's going to provide in a role that he's going to be responsible for which is three point shooting. Seth curry the brother of steph curry. I think it's one of the better three point shooters in the league. And he's pretty nice contract for the next four years so i think he'll help. But you know danny green. They're gonna need. They're gonna need him to be a little bit more consistent for the three point line. I didn't even mention the fact that in terms of defense is concerned. The danny green that we saw in san antonio the such. I think that defender is gone. But i think more to the point is his three point shooter of course surrounding the philadelphia. Seventy sixers as the deal with. James harden harden was one of those who mentioned philadelphia one of the teams that he would like to be traded to there was speculation if a trade like that was going to go down that ben simmons would be included or have to be included in a draft in a in a trade for james harden. Don't know how that's gonna go. Here's the thing that i'm interested in though. Look doc rivers black. Americans head coach. Doc rivers good coach. Let's say he lied. I think if he's not an elite he's right there but well the last couple of like can you feel it'd be dealing with simmons and enough thinking about the last two opportunities. He had to work with superstars. Really didn't turn out that well. One of the things were philly fans are or raving about getting doc rivers championship coach. He's a coach and as a coach to get in game. Coach good exit. Those guys longley applauded for his play. That draws up after time out so you know the basic fundamentals of coaching. Those type of things. I mean doc rivers. It's not great over brett brown another ballot in the fact that he won the championship. I think gives him more credibility and more respect within the locker room dealing with players. Like embiid am ben simmons. But i'm thinking about the way that rivers with the clippers. The way that those teams underachieve. When they had the star system. I with chris paul and blake griffin. And then last. Season's say season of somewhat dysfunction between kawhi leonard and paul george now with each scenario. It's all different. I think when you're dealing with simmons and embiid. I think there's a little bit closer to blake in chris. Paul in terms of you know who's team it is and who's going to be the leader and personalities not matching. Chris paul is an torius. Chew not go as and this that and the other blake griffin was like me the fuck out of here in quiet poll. I think they were more of those two against some of the other veterans on or some of the other clipper veterans. Who have been there for a while in terms of this is the way we do things. This is our culture now here. Paul george and kawhi leonard talking about know that culture is now gone. Now you're going to be going by my schedule. So if i'm quiet and i'm in san diego chiller with the family and i don't feel like coming to practice. Guess what we come to practice. If i want to spend a little bit more time in the city. Guess what we're going to be spending a little bit more time in the city. If i don't feel like playing the night i'm not playing tonight quiet. Who of who has won a couple of championships. One of the best player in the league. Begrudgingly some shit like that. Paul george could paul george to the at the scene type of a rule set for him as it did for quiet and the player would be like. Yeah that's fine. But no patrick. Beverley lou williams and mantra cheryl like this shit. I mean we might not like it but we can tolerate collide getting that shit. I mean he's got the chips. What have you done playoff p hurley championships have you one playoff p in europe. You're trying to decide this the other europe. They're trying to tell us how things are going on. Really rivers didn't really handle that situation of well and we saw there was some other things that were evolved. The williams was injured Tetris beverly was injured mantra herald injured but he was dealing with the debt to the family his grandmother so when he got back to the bubble things right i think the attitude i think just the way the culture was was wrong. So how is now rivers. How was black. Americans head coach. Doc rivers going to deal with the relationship between simmons and embiid. There hasn't been any bickering. There hasn't been any fighting. There hadn't been any. This is my team though. This is my team. He kobe and shaq or kevin garnett and stefan marberry. There's nothing in terms of that. But i just think as far as the personalities they don't really match they don't really gel now in the big picture. What exactly does that mean longer. Wait as long as they play on the basketball court. Who gives a fuck what they do in our off time book. I don't want to hang around each other on their off time then fire. I don't give a fuck alone. You guys cohesive and together once the ball is up but we start playing games. That's the emphasis. That doc is going to have to give to those guys but you know this is going to be the third time this is going to be really the fourth time that rivers is going to be working with two superstars. I guess you can say if those guys are superstar but potential superstars garnett ray allen. Paul pierce worked. Wonders blake griffin. Chris paul not so much quad Paul george the clipper team. Not so much less. He what he does. Now with simmons embiid in the rest of the philadelphia seventy sixers to get that team to mesh and gel wendell's world and sports. I'm your host window wallace so glad that you could be with us. The brooklyn nets attention. We have two of the top ten players in the league. You speaking about katy perry to the top four players in the eastern conference again as you're speaking about katie and kyrie. Who the fuck are they gonna guard. You have a starting lineup. Somewhere around katie. Verge o'hara's deondraye jordan. Deandre jordan not nearly the rebounding defensive shot blocking fien. That he was when he played with the clippers back in the day he hasn't played defense. I think in a couple of years. There's of course the situation where he really. If it for the fact of his relationship with kyrie in durant that jared allen is the more plausible starter at the center position then deondraye jordan. So you know how in the world are those guys gonna guard anybody k. D. coming off about kelly's you really wanna see him guard the best player on the offense from the wing position. No res never played any defense and he's coming off a season where he only played twenty games because of injury. Dinwoodie landry shamet. I mean those guys are known as defenders. So you're not going to be able to win the title. No matter how great your part firepower is no matter how great the players are in katy and kyrie irving at. You're not going to be one of basketball games. One twenty nine one twenty six every night. You can't do it at don nelson when he was coaching the golden state warriors back in the day. You don't win basketball games like that. You know when basketball games when you're trying to outscore everybody don't work that way. So that's the only thing that From less one m of course the question for coach standpoint is what type of coach steve nash. Going to be i mean. How much do we know of is accurate in terms of xs in those making game adjustments. He's never been in that position before. Now he's going to have a guy like mike d'antoni which is great but guess what dantonio the guy who specialists on offense not too much on defense. So who does he have an assistant coach or whatever to focus mainly on the defense to be that defensive coordinator and his job is mainly going to be was the same position. Where larry bird when he was coaching the indiana patriots. Back in the day. I think for a couple of seasons bird was there drawn. Plays larry bird was doing that nonsense. He addict carter on the defense and rick carlisle as offense coordinator. He was just the ceo of the situation. Is steve nash. Going to be the ceo of a situation like that with the main emphasis on making sure that kyri in katie dri caddy. Tommy can be a little weird curry to earth. Flat kinda weird carry can be a little. It's been four days and he still hasn't talked to me. Get type of weird. Don't let's carry for you. We don't we don't know what we're gonna be getting with kyran. Katie hasn't mood swings to i mean. Is he happy is he's not happy. What can we do to make him happy. We try everything. We kennedy still. Not happy was going on. I mean so it's it's interesting. It'll be interesting you'd think about a guy who was missing the entire year basketball is going to be thirty two years old and talking about the guy that met you before he kyri who played twenty games because of injury. So how quickly are those guys won't be able to come back. The fact that training camp has been of condensed because of the pandemic and hollered moving through with that so although things will be interesting to watch moving forward world is sports. I'm your host when wallace so glad that you could be with us. What about now defending eastern conference champions miami heat bam on a by you tyler hero. Can they continue to build off their performances that they had in the bubble jimmy butler continued to play at the best player on the team win a championship as he did last season and championship round basically one two of the games that the heat one of the finals against the lakers. I don't know i don't know. Is miami still be interested in seeing what they can do to try to james harden. That's one of the teams that were having sincere discussions. And they were like no no tyler. Herro no tyler. heroes untouchable. no. We're not dealing with tyler hero. Maybe we can talk about tyler hero. So it'll be interesting. Kendrick nunn had a good season at cova came back with a shell of assault once got back to the bubble really didn't contribute the way he did before the season ended is going to be a guy that's going to get better and get back to where he was before. The pandemic duncan robinson. Good outside shooter. But we'll see of corinth the miami. He culture we'll see we'll see but it's going to be an interesting eastern conference. But for the milwaukee bucks guess what even though yada signed that contract. The clock is now started as far as the pressure in terms of keeping him five years from now. Because guess what in three years in the cuco if they disappointing the playoffs the matter whose fault it is in the kubo boca pull anthony davis and be like One my contract is over. I'm out of here. He can pull. The james harden be like you know what you guys need to trade me to the guy. Did you treat me to the washington wizards something like that. Come on in washington wizards fan so the pressure is going to be on the milwaukee bucks to get it done. Get start getting start willingham championships. At least getting to the nba finals. And they don't get to the finals this season. I don't see how it goes. My older comes back that that should be the requirement for him this year. I don't care. I don't care about injuries. I don't care about anything else. We have a team was good enough to make it to the nba finals. If we can't then we need to go in another direction because bugno holders still has that label of a guy who's a good coach but a guy who is a good regular season coach and not a good not a good playoff coach wants sixty games named coach of the year when he was with elena where they had paul millsap jeff teague and al horford calc over those guys all made the all star team last year that year and they played cleveland with lebron carry in the eastern conference finals and get the door blown off losing four straight soap boot holder. Also needs to overcome that. Stigma that you know. He's just basically a jack dylan. Scott brooks guy who's really good at a regular season but can't get it done in. The playoffs wendell's role the sports. I'm your host window. Wallace oakland that you could be with us very quickly. Let me get you. James harden saga nonsense Espn ramona shelburne. Easier downscale report on monday that john walls arrival from washington has changed nothing with john harden was. I thought he was sitting up there talking. About how wonderful. It was Wall was talking about. He's gonna love the team. He's gonna love playing with me. He's wonderful and the will. James harden has been unmoved in uninterested if forming a partnership with wall and he still wants the rockets to trade him so he can get a fresh start whether new team l. Well what's going on with this nonsense mentioned before with the houston rockets. In the way that they treat james harden. It's just the way of doing business looked at very few organizations. You have the miami heat before that you had the utah jazz. In between that you had the san antonio spurs where in and also have to be that fit in terms of looks the organization rule things here but you also have to have the superstar. Who's responsible enough to kind of be able to match what the organization is looking for with their own values and characteristics. So that's why the marriage. Between tim duncan and break popovich in and tonio spurs worked so well but make no mistake about it. Tim duncan ran that locker room. Tim duncan what the man. Tim duncan during that time to san antonio when he said jumped people said how high the only difference between jane harland. Tim duncan was was when james. Tim duncan said jumped the organization said. Yeah we we're going to do that anyway. And we don't need to ask how high you need us to jump because we already know how how you want to jump and tim. Duncan said yeah. That's about right. Tim duncan set the rules. The music had to be this way in the locker room. You know this is what we're doing this. That and the other everything meshed in terms of this guy is exactly what we're looking for in terms of having responsibility because we're so in the same walk stock and barrel of what he wants to do james harden on the other hand. It was like well. Yeah i mean you know. I mean my dantonio. Who's not not not a confrontational guy to begin with them. Quite sure that there's some things that bothered you know the bothers about you. Know some of the stuff that james harden was doing this that and the other but as i mentioned before the man mentioned to mcmahon mentioned in this. Spn when you're coming back off of the party bender and you thought forty five points eight rebounds and fourteen assists you know. Hey okay what. I like him to maybe a little bit more professional. Maybe but hey when in basketball games. He's willing to beth players in the nba. He's leading the league in scoring and he's keeping me. I'm still getting paid. The first and fifteenth every month. So i'll tolerated as mike tomlin said. I'll tolerate it until i no longer nature. We'll guess what the houston rockets. The old james harden in terms of how he ran the organization. They no longer need them for that. So who is it. Who's fault is it. It's everybody's fault when you're speaking about. What should the rocket range him in. James harden wasn't a guy when he got traded to houston. James harden wasn't a guy who was an already established superstar. This was a guy who was the who was one of the six men coming off the bench. I don't even know if the houston rockets thought that they were going to be getting the james harden that they have the last season in terms of how great he was so something should have been a foundation in terms of what you can what. You can't get away with should have been set in stone longtime before. James harden exploded in became james harden because in the piece it was mentioned many times that hard always said look you know what if i don't get my way of you don't do this if you don't trade you don't fire mikhail if you don't train for dwight howard if you don't bring in a guy like chris paul if you if you keep a guy like chris paul if you don't bring him russell westbrook you know what i'm not gonna sign a contract extension. I'll go in leaf or i'll start demanding the train so the rockets acquiesced and said okay. No problem we'll give you anything that you want. You want to buddies to go on a charter flight. Whether it's fine you want to stay in a city a little bit longer. Fine after the all star game game. If you don't wanna come to practice fine because you know get ready for the second half of the season you have to go down to atlanta party. You have to go to la party. You have to go to las vegas. The party that's what we need for you to do for you to come back and keep playing the way that you're playing five had to be a little give and take in that started early the rockies didn't and i'm quite sure the rocket sooner or later new like something like this was going to come down the road. The rubber was going to hit the road sooner or later. Noah's like that. It's like that like the rich guy who marries the escape after money is like you know you can buy the corvettes corvette you can buy the flashy cars you can buy buy diamonds in the jewels and you can go on spending sprays and you can do all that type of thing but sooner or later the credit cards going to be cut off sooner or later your gonna dreamy of everything i got. You're gonna put me in a position to where you can't go on spending sprees around rodeo drive you can't go with fifth avenue have a ball you can't go to the miracle mile and go nuts. I'm like the rainy in the bitches. James hardie right now the bitch. That's going to send me to my next sugar daddy. Let's that's the deal. That's the deal guideline now. No i can't say sugar daddy the sexist too good for me to do that. I still love it when you sex me up Lona sex you up. So that's one of the rockets. James harden right now the rockets james hard the rockets james harden to continue to sex them up and james harden wants to continue to be shopping on rodeo drive and the miracle mile and in a georgetown. So that's that's the key right there so we'll see how it goes so again. Whose fault is it. When we're speaking about james harden the houston rockets the positions that are in who fault. It is it. It's everybody's when those world is sports. I'm your host when the wallace so glad you could be with us so glad that you could be with us so glad that you could be with me when those will the sports. Yes oh man. Speaking about what's going on in the world of sports college basketball floor to start chianti johnson in critical but stable condition after collapsing on the court. Johnson the sec. Preseason player of the year collapsed. only a few minutes into saturday's game against florida state university after an alleyoop and immediate timeout. He was stretchered off the court and immediately taken to tallahassee memorial. According to what his grandfather told that usa today he is now in a medically induced coma at a florida hospital just to advance the story. He is responding by goodness. Thank you jesus. In the fact that he even space time of his. So i'm not a doctor. I don't know the situation. I haven't been in the room the siyam. I don't know anything about the nonsense in terms of the medical stuff. So i'm just doing bio what doctors are saying. I'm gonna go on assumption. That he is out of the worst possible place that he could be in so Yeah he's following simple commands and these undergoing further tests. So thank you lord. Jesus for that folded athletic director. Scott stricklin did not give any details on how long johnson might be at the hospital. Or what is diagnosis. Like most of his teammates though johnson tested positive for covid nineteen during the summer. And although the cause johnson's ailment was not immediately known. The corona virus can lead to myocarditis in a viral infection of the heart muscles. I'm not. I'm not going there. I'm not gonna go there until we figure out exactly if that's the cause in terms of him having a criminal virus linking him to what happened on the court in innocent until proven guilty on that assessment. I don't know. I have no idea. So i'm not going to blame the ncaa. I'm not going to blame florida. I'm not gonna blame anybody in terms of how could you known how can you You know put him out there. And way when he tested positive for the corona virus. This is horrible. This is irresponsible. I'm not going there. I'm not gonna use argument. I'm not quite sure. Florida or anybody. Outside of dave bliss would be sold. Cold hard enough to be like. Yeah you know what he had to cope in nineteen and you know putting them on the floor risk his life but heat the sec player of the year and we really need to have a good season this year. So i'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed. Throw them out there. I'm a as much as down on humanity as much as i'm some negative on humanity as much as i doubt this acidity of goodness in kindness for for most people on the planet. I'm i'm not going to sit there and say that was the case at all. So i don't know i have no idea. Nobody has any idea. And before i started making judgments on if chianti. Johnson even should have been out there. I'm not going to be based on the fact that he was tested. Positive for the coronavirus. There's been other players who have been tapped for the coronavirus. The router playing every situation is different. We're still learning about this. In the medical folks quite sure gave mike white and everybody else two thumbs up for he a johnson to get out there and play. What happened was unfortunate and we and we still go yet. So you know i. I'm not gonna go there with them. But why able where. I am gonna go as what happened. After johnson was attended to and then was taken off officials. Game the teams time to regroup and the game continued a few minutes later. What florida state head coach leonard hamilton. Who has been coaching for. It's gonna be over. Three decades coached in the pros coach. In costa many different power. Five schools knows better. He said the administrators twice gave the gave us the option of stopping or continuing the game at that time at at the time of the situation and again at halftime and said they ultimately decided to play white. Let it players make the call. No no no no. No no no no who the hell if the adult here. No no no no no no no no no no no no. No out of respect for chianti. No we're not going to play. We're not gonna play. We're not gonna play or focus now is squarely on quixote johnson. Swearing clearly one hundred percent. No we're not gonna play salt hamilton. What he said after the game about continuing the place at whatever they thought was the best interest of their team than i accepted my administration asked me and i told them we would be okay with with whatever they decided. It was my understanding that they wanted to play. No doubt about was the best interest of your team it. That's not it was. What's in the best interest of quixote johnson. What's in the best interest. Those players know you'll take you. Don't make that decision if you're the coach the team. You're the leader coach. You don't put that decision in the hands of your players. It's ridiculous to a plate in a game like that you remember loyola marymount university. You remember the first round of the west coast conference tournament back. I believe it was nineteen. Eighty-nine hank gathers would died on the court now. We didn't know that he died at the time that he left after catching the alleyoop path from bo capable of dunking it. We didn't know as he was being wheeled off the court to the ambulance that he was that he was dying or dead at the time but regardless to call and yet history with hank gathers collapsing before they're the situation of a heart condition and the people knew that there the possibility that this could happen because it happened before work. We knew what the situation was concerning his heart. He was taking medication with which made them sluggish which prevented him from playing up to a maximum ability. So gathers read themself medication whether that call to death or not idle but there was a situation where there was precedent before of in collapsing on the court. The situation with his heart. They knew that. But we don't know anything about chianti geno we don't know somebody falls face first after a tunnel for how traumatic is that. I saw that about once or twice. I'm good. I don't really need to see that again by starting to water. The emotions are starting to come out. I don't need to see jin again. Because i'm thinking about his parents. I'm thinking about grandfather of thinking about those who love him. We'll need to see that shit and after something like that where we don't know if this guy's going is alive or dead. We don't know what the situation is it. This guy dork teammate. Your brother that you're going to go out there and play. No we're not going to go out there and play instead of continuing play that game. What are we run over to the hospital and showed them the port. Even if it's a situation where because he's in a medically induced coma or whatever. Let's just show some support for the family. It was just just show some support right there. What is mike white. Have to be only one know. The kids have to go back to the campus and all those type of but the whole team should have gone there. I don't understand why they played that game and made no sense. It's horrible again. Not gonna blame. The ncaa wasn't an ncaa call. This wasn't the ncaa call saying fuck man. Y'all applying focus. You know so but it lends more credence to what much shots he said when he was like. Oh what are we doing here. What what is this where we were. You know what these kids can go home for christmas and see their loved ones because of the situation. Why are we putting basketball games ahead of situations like that. Why are we using these players as essential workers in a situation where they're not being compensated for it. They're putting their lives on the line. I mean god forbid if something like this was covert related in terms of chianti johnson. What does that mean going forward. How do we know which players to react. How player who tested positive that chianti do everything possible in terms of winning were tested positive for cove to go ahead and do everything to make him able making made it safe enough for him to return to the court if he did. And i contracted the virus. Then i don't know a little bit weary it. If it can happen quixote. I got tested positive for covid this summer. How do i. that's not gonna happen to me. there's just needs to be a little cooling off period. i. I agree with coach k. On this one and it had nothing to do with the fact that he was at the time to into that nonsense. But i agree that they should take a sincere look and determine exactly. How are we going to go forward with this. But here here's where my critique. My criticism of the ncaa does come into play because of the money situation because of the fact that those guys are just trying to get the march madness and have this tournament. It doesn't matter the the tournament or the the the ncaa the conferences. they're all determined to get a season in so even if you delay and have thoughts and discussions and all this stuff about what's going on. The bottom line is going to be well. We're still going to go ahead and play now rip. Patino gave a pretty good situation to aware because when they're playing at the time right now. The pandemic is added worst. Why don't we delay the season until the spring or sometime down the road when the worst is beyond us in terms of the opportunity for people to get the corona. We don't know what's going to be happening with the vaccines in terms of when they're going to be coming out who's gonna be eligible on what but let's just wait a little bit longer. To where is more conducive to play. The college basketball season minimize the risk of an outbreak or minimize the risk of multitude of players. Coming down with the with the with covid nineteen and then we can move on from there. But i just think that the president's and these conference commissioners and everybody involved the ncaa in college basketball for the most part the higher ups. I just think that they're determined to go ahead and finish the season so so be it not the way it is. The perfect example is football. Football is going to be considered a success. If claire on a champion at the end of the college football season and if notre dame clemson ohio state alabama get their whatever happened before all that is meaningless as long as we can get those four teams in. We have ourselves a college football playoff. We cram champion those conferences. Get their checks and everybody is happening and say hit paret. This was it successful windows role. The sports. I'm your host wendell wallace so glad that you could be with us quickly. Georgetown basketball gets a first big east win. Conference win sunday. Night against johnson overtime. Ninety seven ninety four glass has half empty. Approach defense is still a major problem. I almost flipped my lid. I almost jumped off my balcony when saint john's scored on that layup over von blair on the bounce play underneath the basket left side with point nine seconds ago. If i had done momma go see them but it was just like our fucking serious in the work. Part is well. I was really mad about was the fact that i brought to these guys on the score when the when the jordan was eighty five eighty three or eighty seven eighty five. Whatever if they get the ball point. Nine seconds i said to myself. Watch these motherfucker score now. I thought that they were gonna pour it. I thought they were gonna run the play a guy who's gonna get a wide open three pointer from one of the quarters hit. Hit it in win the game but it was a layup it was just like. That's what i was mad about. The fact that i knew that these guys are defense. Were so inept and so incompetent that something like this was not only possible in terms of scoring with under one second left but it was probable that would made me want to smash my hip through plate glass window. But they show some resiliency. The king back one basketball game whether they wanted or stay jive lost it not once but twice because they were up seven. I believe for three minutes or under three minutes left to go regulation. Georgetown scored seven points to three minutes. While that was surprising but overall it was a good win. But as i mentioned before defensive dila major problem today should not be playing. He played twenty one minutes as more than Jabari simply tj burger timothy. Ego hefei played combined against say johns. I don't know how bad their kobe clark is out with ankle injury. I don't know how bad jabbar's simply is. I don't know in terms of what he's doing a practice. Whatever but for the fact that you have to play trudy bile twenty one minutes simply cannot be that bad as banners. You might think the most pessimistic person. Georgetown basketball is concerned. Concerning gibara simply cannot be that bad in the eyes of that guy. The be having judy bile play twenty one minutes schutte. Bile should not be playing twenty one minutes that guy. Good lord have mercy. No no again. I'm thinking about down the road. I'm not thinking about right now. Play the young guys. I was dancing in the streets. Man avenue nabukelevu. I was buluan for jesus when i saw. Tj burger come into the game and not only. Did he come into the game. He looked confident. He looked ready. He didn't look like the moment too big for now. Yes he's playing. Saint johns okay so but yet and still when in crunch time. He hit a three pointer left side for doing. When i was a situation where eight minutes. He needs to play a little bit more now throughout the season. Is he going to be dead efficient on everyday basis. Probably not because okay. This season again is now about winter losses more than it is about building learning growing. That's what georgetown basketball season. It's all about dante. Here's to foundation pizzas dante harrison. Kushwaha harris scored twenty two points six for fourteen shooting and forty three minutes. Three rebounds to assist. Is he going to be doing that every single game. No he's going to have some games where he's going to be shooting five or eighteen. He's going to have some games where you're going to be shooting each like japan blair in terms of percentages concern. But that's okay that's fine. That's fine. He's gonna have games where he's going to have three assistants six turnovers that fine look jalen harrison playing over thirty minutes a game he. That's what his ratio is now. He missed the game because of back spasms. But it's all about learning. Let dante mated mistake. Let them learn by fear with all of these young guys. Is that because you want to win so badly that he can put his slots into veterans which means that the opportunity for harris in sibley am burger in kobe clark to make a mistake the chances of them coming out of the game because of that is going to be much greater than if again devolve blair falls asleep on the inbound plastic past guy score if jalen go full bore out of control and go the way of bad pass if if tomorrow picket trying to take off the dribble and throws it away or turn over something like that. The leash that the younger guys have in terms of the guys who went to see a lot shorter than the guys are not going to be playing next year. I would like to see a little bit longer leash for those guys. If it means losing the game we ate going into the tournament coach. I know that speaking about we need to play. Certain amount of games to get into the tournament. Don't worry about that. we're not making the tournament. We're not enough to go to the ncaa we're not enough to go to the in it. I know that your competitor a fierce competitor. I know you have the ultimate confidence in yourself. I know that he said that you bite your team and all those type of things. That's wonderful that's beautiful. That's fantastic face reality. This team is not good enough to make the ncaa tournament. I don't care if the tournament expanded to one hundred and fifty teams. And why did you play. Well as hung in there against west virginia and villanova. You're nowhere near your eons. Gerald long ways away from being on those on on a tear with those guys to honestly compete this season but the kids play coach. Please let the kids play. One of those is on your whole the wallace so glad you're with us on the final countdown here last segment of the program. Thank you very much for everybody. Who has been able to listen to my podcast. Very much appreciated I wanted to end with a little sports media. News and as i mentioned before the opening segment on my podcast man. Karma is a bitch and sometimes just downright justified. Espn's house negro sage steele She's being replaced for the six pm. Sportscenter anchor position and will move to the noon eastern edition of sportscenter as co-anchor after the college football playoffs in will add a new period. Espn plus interview program to her sleep. Which means that her workload is going down. There are more. I guess you could say phasing. Her out steel is being replaced by none other than l. duncan now for those who might not know. Let me educate she. The black woman who recently is calling to sage steel Said that You know she was trying to squeeze out of a situation to where they're going to be speaking about race in america and say steele might leaves and some other folks were speaking about. You know what. I don't think safety would be good for this position because she's not blagov for she doesn't understand the black community now for she ain't down enough. All of the things are being true but basically say she was speaking about. That's basically You know she went to espn brass and made that ac accusation. So you can basically say sita's still was trying to get duncan fired or at least demoted delta to the takeover in february and co host. The show with kevin the gun day. Monday through friday with a gun day to stop smiling every other fifteen seconds of it would be nice but as i mentioned before sage in her house. Negro is is is well known. Don't like her never liked her. I don't know her. I've never met her from from what i see of her. This is what i'm basing it on. I just don't like her in july of this year. Twenty twenty s. I mentioned before talking about that. One issue about you know michael leaves and they'll duncan are talking about. I'm not black enough to be on this. On this program aired their boxing me out or whatever steals told the wall street journal that two of our fellow black colleagues duncan and michael leaves allegedly worked to keep her from taking part and they special. That took place in june called time for change. We won't be defeated now. The show was hosted by sportscenter. Anchors duncan eaves. J. right along. With maria taylor as they let a conversation that explored black athletes experiences with injustice no according to the report still believe that duncan and eve's told management that she wouldn't be accepted by what they considered the black community. And here's what she failed to realize. This is the biggest joke of the mall. So she believes that at l. Dunkin michael e did a james harden basically told management. This is what we want. This is what we're gonna be dealing with and this is who we don't want really. L. duncan and michael eaves has that type of power then had that type of stroke where they can go to the management and talk about. We don't want stainless steel but the management was sitting there. Talking about you know this would be a great situation as far as hosting this special that we're having talking about the black athletes experiences with injustice police brutality. We need to do the george. Floyd situation was still red hot so the espn brass was up there. Talking about you know what safety would be great for something like this. Oh no but here comes. L. dunkin and here comes michael. Say no no no. No no no away. She's not down with the black community. She'd understand the black community seeing black enough seen by the to the barbecue. Y'all need not to have that situation down with sage steele hosting this program and the espn brass looked at each other. Said all right. Well they'll dunkin the monthly says that will then obviously we have to go ahead and acquiesced down to their wishes l. Michael oh have on the program. Instead of miss. Steel like maria. Taylor you will like jay harris. Okay here's look here's my card. Here's my number my cell phone number. Just text me the rest of the folks that you want to go ahead and have on this panel and having this discussion on the special ed will be more than happy to go ahead and bow down to your every needs bounce your your every wishes complete in utter bullshit and for sage steele which i'm going to take a wild guess and say she had no clue. She had no concrete evidence just a feeling that she had the palms. Possibly probably those two were the culprits. And the reason why she wasn't on or she wasn't invited to be a panelist on this discussion that she then went to management inset that really that's bullshit that's some nonsense that some cooler that's some. That's some house. Negro is right there and so becoming a sage steele and again what. She realized really that they were going to be having this pain. Or this discussion talking about black athletes experiences with the justice. And guess who wasn't on the panel guests. Who wasn't invited bomani jones and stephen a smith. I mean stephen smith everytime you something going down to celery anything. Pm they gotta throw that motherfucker in their three look. Try to tell me than the situation like this that they didn't invite stephen. They didn't invite bomani. Jones what did l. dunkin and michael go to the management. Tell them not to put those two on either bullshit absolute bullshit but just to show you the type of coon that say steelers. There are other incidents of cooler. Ism actions let's take a look at two thousand sixteen. She went on twitter to criticize. Bay buccaneers wide receiver. Michael evans were mike evans. For sitting during the national anthem. In fact she tweeted. She tweeted mike evans. Look up the definition of the word democracy. Remember this pig while kneeling exercising you're right. The protests hashtag perspectives. They were showing. She was shared a picture on the twitter account of a soldier kneeling. I guess at arlington cemetery. Her father i believe was served. Serve this country. So she feels that she is of the experience that she is the intelligence level that she can go ahead and educate someone who had the nerve. Neil even though time and time and time and time and time again to fucking ignorant fools that why column capita why everybody else would kneeling had nothing to do with the armed forces. I don't know how many fucking time we have to tell you that but no it had nothing to do with that. But i still don't wanna disappoint master in the white folks had to go on there and and tweet that bullshit so that was back in two thousand sixteen and twenty seventeen. She complained about her flight. Being delayed do the people protecting trump's immigration ban at lax at los los angeles international. This is what she wrote on instagram. This is one woman we're talking about. People need to celebrities or public figure employers and espn need to go ahead and delete their social media council. They won't get in trouble. They steal needs to go ahead and do that because he made himself. Look like an absolute fool. Was she tweeted on twitter. About mike evans. Back in twenty sixteen. Thirteen ever really attracted said i was wrong. They're not twenty seventeen on her instagram Of her complaining about a flight being delayed due to people protesting that pizza shits immigration ban at the los angeles international. She said so. This is why thousands of us drag luggage nearly two miles to get to lax. But still mr flights. Fortunately a seven hour. Wait for the next flight. Houston won't affect me that much but my heart sing for the elderly in parents with small children who did their best to walk all that way but had no chance of making their flights. I love witnessing. People exercise their right to protest but a settlement me to see the joy on their faces knowing that they were successful in disrupting so many people travel plans yes. Immigrants were affected by this as well. Brilliant us f. You see k y you. Oh yes deal. Oh my goodness. We have an immigration policy which has family being torn. apart in children's being children being put in cages. But god forbid if you have to wait seven hours for your next flight because people are protesting. Then don't people realize how important it is that you go ahead and make your flight. They'll give me some bullshit about. Oh you're thinking about the elderly. I was thinking about the others. You know bullshit you were thinking about going goddamn self. Get the fuck outta here. Protesting can be difficult. Yes protesting has to be uncomfortable. Yes protesting at the has some sacrifice. The protesters really there were sitting there cheering applauding in jubilation. Because of folks who might have disabilities in terms of physical disabilities or the elderly elderly. You really think that those people were cheering. You really think those people were happy. You really think it'll people working ten. The be like yeah. I'm in a good mood because now what we're doing is going to be causing those people that miss their flights sucks quite sure sucks a question. They felt bad for. But guess. what if you ain't gonna protest when times. Are you gonna protest when when times are convenient. That's gonna make a mark that's not gonna get anybody's attention to do what you gotta do. And you sacrifice and unfortunately those are some of the that some of the collateral damage that happens when those things when when when protesting that occurs sometimes unfortunately but guess what there were protesting a policy where families were being ripped apart which was racist discriminatory. And you have families children being put fucking cages. You stupid fucking bitch so yeah in a situation like that. Unfortunately something like that had to be done. Maybe your mother fucker that you voted for head. A little bit of common sense had a little bit of decency head. A little bit of morals. Maybe a situation like that wouldn't have occurred. And all for heaven's sakes you wouldn't be able to make your flight poor sage windows role the sports. I'm the podcast. The back at one of the wall speaking to you so also. She told the crowd in florida. She was on some panels. Speaking about the names stay steel. She told the crowd of florida that the worst racism i steve come from black people. She made that comment while moderating the under our skin forum at the crossing church in tampa. She said there are times that i believe that we as african americans. Okay can't be hypocritical in that it is and that it that is to not look ourselves in the mirror when we are saying in certain things and blaming other groups for one thing when we are doing the exact same thing now. This pamela included. Tony dungy forma widely a former running back for the tampa. Bay buccaneers warrick dunne. Cbs sports caster gene round and former university of south carolina of south florida head. Coach charlie strong cheeses. So so you just going to be throwing throwing bipolar under the bus. You know you're you're right sometimes. Black folks are hypocritical. you're right absolutely right sage. You're right sometimes. Black criticized both other black clothes. The same way white folks criticize black lives. you know. you're you're absolutely right but you know. What else does that white folks you know. Who else has that problem hispanic folks you know one you know who else turns them their own kind. Sometimes every fucking race on this planet. Now i don't know exactly the context of the discussion. Which made her say that. But i think this was a discussion to where we're not here to the blast. Our owner sage. We're not here to blast our home at the same deal as yeah black people killing each other in chicago and his horrible in his terrible. So let's get folks to pass on their racism in on their ignorance in their stereotypes in their discrimination. Because you know we've got black fathers who aren't taking care of their responsibility towards the children and we got people in chicago who are black shooting each other up. Yeah know that age. We know this age we. Let's say we know that stage but now for that discussion is not the time we are not here to discuss that. We are well aware of those problems. We are not turning a blind eye and even though those things are going on in our communities that does not excuse white people who are racist in our discriminatory against us that doesn't give white folks who are discriminatory ignorant and racist and bigot toward us. A pass there's no butts in this. One is what i was thinking and i wasn't there i wasn't privy to the conversation or the discussion so i could be wrong here but in this instance for her to go ahead and say that bullshit under the same context of you know. My father was black and my mother was white. I saw from both sides. I saw that the white folks were giving the badge of the black folks in the black folks were given a bad to the white folks because my mom because she married a guy face the same discrimination at my black father who married this white woman and discrimination in the hurtful words and the all of the things also came from the black community. So blah blah blah we gotta stage. We got it again. Doesn't give white folks a pass especially when they've had such a headstart start in terms of discriminating in terms of segregation and terms of discrimination doesn't get white folks pass doesn't give white folk folks past and guess what within being the majority also give them the power to make make some real impact in the negative way with their bigotry with racism with the discriminatory actions. Much more than black. Who criticize other by plo. So sage shut the fuck up with your nonsense okay. So later that year she was a guest on the dan patrick show and she house. She didn't want to hear about charlottesville sportscenter. She said. I always go back to. Why people the not turn on us. When dan patrick and keith olbermann were hosting and why they are turning on us now in my opinion is not in my opinion is not to hear about charlottesville is not okay. Stage first of all And of course was directing this To certain black folks. Who came on. And i don't know if they were sitting there talking about a discussion about karla's built now one thing say to realize is that the sporting world during that time athletes from the sports also made news headlines in terms of what they were doing in terms of discussing charlottesville. Chris long i think at the time that was playing for the philadelphia eagles. You know he came out and made some comments about what went down in charlottesville the and trump's comments about they're good people on both sides so there are people from the sporting world who injected themselves into what was going down in charlottesville. Sports was intersecting with what was happening down in charlottesville now did any of those folks get on there and give commentary about what that fucking asshole in. The white house said. No type of political discussion about charlottesville sportscenter. No it came on the premise. Cain with the lens kingdom the avenue of discussing what was happening in charlottesville from the sports perspective turn the players in terms of the professional athletes. And what they were doing now. If you wanna go ahead. Sage ignore that and want to go ahead and ignore was chris long others were saying and doing and contributing and some of the college players at the university of virginia. You want to ignore that because you can't be too bothered with that than any of these good stories about what's happening in college sports in professional sports we need to ignore that also. Because if we're gonna be doing the good then. I also wanna hear the fucking bed if we're gonna be talking about some kids overnight with the cancer center and every time we see an iowa game we have to talk about that for fifteen minutes while the game going on if that's acceptable which is fine. But if we're gonna do that then situation where charlottesville were players in athletes participating in the games that espn cover if they're gonna go ahead and do some things noteworthy concern that matter. Guess what sage. Espn needs to talk about that. Also so again speaking about hill. I don't think he'll came around and was giving political point of view of what happened in charlottesville on sportscenter nor michael smith nor anybody else of color. It's just sages way of showing her tourism showing her house. Negro ism lincoln step infection. It's showing her but she'd really lebel unbelievable then again. The worst thing is when she went against black. America's little sis tobel hill or big says eight victory in. Don't don't don't mess with djamil hill. If you're black don't know don't don't don't do that. That's the equivalent of chris. Darden going up against johnny cochrane during the o. J. trial his black colleagues. Talk chris. darden. Don't do it johnny. This case chris don't do it. Not only will you lose. You'll be made a fool of. Don't do it chris. Darden was like walking. I'm gonna do it. Is anybody seen chris darden. Anybody know what happened. Chris darden whatever whatever happened to the career. Chris darden exactly. Don't if especially if you're a like say steal don't do it. Don't go up against djamil hill. But she couldn't resist so the whole situation with that was sage. Defendant sam ponder which she questioned. Espn for being in partnership with barstool. Sports i think that will answer for about. I know fifteen seconds when barstool tweeted some pretty disgusting personal abhorrent marks about her on twitter. I mean really went below the belt. Look another big powder fan but cattle sakes. I'm not gonna go ahead make misogynistic ignorant personal attacks. Just because i don't think she's very good at being in the position right now just because i don't like what she does on the Sunday morning show. I'm gonna go ahead and start blasting her personally or doing anything like that but barstool ahead and did that so. Espn thanks but no thanks. For being a woman in Sports quite sure being the society that we live in because besides mystic as it is unquestionable that she's got bitch neater now bitch go into the kitchen and do you get pretty ignorant stupid. Things are being tossed your way in social media and other things so look no. That wasn't latest salvo in terms of the ignorance that might come from people regarding look. You wanna say sam and that good at espn doing sports fine but to go ahead and do the personal tag based on her gender something like that is fucking ridiculous. So sage came out and tweeted her. Support for sam ponder. Because you know sam was gonna take. She was the leader on this and what she did was right and showed some strength and its showed some courage in the showed. Some fortitude gained a whole lot of respect for sage in that way in terms of you know i'm not backing down. I'm going to do what's right. And i'm not going to be scared. I'm not gonna be intimidated. It's a new day. Women are now at the forefront. Women can do this job just as well as men. And i'm not gonna take any ignorant misogynistic shots throw my way and sit there and take it. I'm not gonna do that so she fired back but she did. Great she did it in a respectful intelligent way so mad props and respect for 'em ponder in that situation. I feel. She's on sunday morning football. But you know what as far as human beings concerned from what she showed me unless you really get the fuck. But i'll just like. I got a whole new respect in that regard for san ponder. Well again say steel. You know tweet it telling stay strong. She said when i was going through by social media tax. Of course gotta be about her. I felt really really really alone in every single way with your husband and your kids couldn't help you l. It's hard when you're being attacked and no publicly will support you. We'll say set because turkey. And now i know having spirited how important it is to have it like that the second i saw what was going on with sam. I was like sandwich. Got your bag. So when djamil hill was facing her stuff with the jack as the white house. Because he correctly called the motherfucker. That's in the white house now for a couple of more weeks apprentice which he is and they were talking about her getting fired and she went all through with. Espn suspended her and everything. Well let me say steel. Who replaced donell hill at the acre sportscenter. I think a completely different story in regards to your viewpoint you go ahead. And defend chan ponder what you do the same thing for rum jamaica hills. She said. I think there's a completely different story in that she put she put that on herself of her own volition. Sam was attacked. I think it's an important distinction. Say steel is one of them black folks to where she won't listen she won't listen to black folks in terms of saying you know this is all you need to change. You need to do some other. Things still is not gonna listen. Say still isn't gonna listen to our community concerning that you see what sage is gonna do. She's going to run over the white folks. We're gonna tell her. Oh you know sage. Don't worry about them. We get you. We understand you. We know that you're right and they're wrong. We understand see we know we know. Say so come to our bosom. Come do are you know. Come to our side of the tracks. Don't worry about them. They don't get it they're too busy whining and complaining and playing cards and being the victim. You know. you're absolutely right there sage. you know. We'll we'll take care of you. We get you we understand. So that's the reason why she can go on the dan patrick show and talk so freely. Flowing -ly talking about You know charlottesville we don't to hear about charlottesville and colin kaepernick. Why he doesn't have a job. That has nothing to do with race to me. She can go ahead. Dan patrick sale. That's w dan patrick mukalla wral her bullshit. You ain't gonna roll the martin. She ain't gonna go the michael eve. She ain't gonna go the bomani jones. She ain't gonna go the next kellerman she ain't gonna go to me and try to walk past that bullshit because he's gonna get called out on it she ain't gonna be me in the nfc ain't going on jewelry she ain't gonna be on the show. The black eagle joe madison. She ain't gonna go on urban. Xm radio and try that bullshit. She ain't gonna try that nonsense with clarin hundred. She ain't going to try that nonsense djamil hill. She ain't gonna try that. Manson the champion. She ain't gonna try that nonsense when michael steele seeing the nonsense with to try to nas it with jonathan kaye part. Shakily try that. Nazi elliott. That us william also folks because we are going to call route on her bullshit she say that shit with jay harris. She ain't gonna see that ship with maria taylor. We're not allow the tourism. We don't allow that house. Negro is in the past to pass us without without calling her out on it. So she's got run over to the white folks who get it who understand who will let her be that kuhn that she is and everything will be zippy. Dudas zippy day. So you know by by sage by you go ahead and play your kids go ahead and hang out with your husband and have a bowl have a blast but as good as you. L duncan who is not ashamed of her likeness to go ahead and take the position and and guess what she's gonna do a fabulous job. I don't watch the six o'clock sportscenter. Three o'clock out here either watching the food network channel. I'm doing something else but Unless there's something that i need to watch educate me on. I'll go ahead and watch the sports center. But i'm not an everyday for our watching sportscenter. Nello watch something on cnn or msnbc or listen to a podcast. Or i'll do something else. But i'm just glad that karma took care of some things all right. I'm out of here man. I'm good to go time for me to continue watching my man bobby flay and nightly another jackass who want to sit there and try the signature dish. I need to be on this show or a good job. way to go so tell me what your signature Signature dish bobby. My signature dish is trampled aches. Yes by the way. Let's let's take it up a level. Yeah you can win down mom bobby. Flay don't miss a moment bobby flay. No one can be bobby flay lay do but still all right so i want to thank everybody for listening to the program. I'm going to try to come out with a another podcast in a couple of days. I'm going to talk about anthony. Joshua his knockout victory. What it means for the heavyweight division moving forward cannella is fight this weekend along with Triple g under zone. Which i'm going to watch you've got the conference championship. The acc the sec. So by monday we should have a much better. Understanding of who the four playoff contenders are going to be in college football and some pretty good games in the nfl and we also got the nba starting Less than a week tuesday. I believe that's going to be the first game so a lot of things you want to know why an podcasts are so long should i gotta talk about. I want to do it and a passionate energetic entertaining thought provoking away. So i wanna thank you very much for listening to the program be safe. God bless be safe. Were a mask six feet. Do the right thing amount music. Nope she now. What to d'appel they wafting aid. John black sit watching owner resting on this wrong just to make the pitch dot dhakal rotting talk fit waste.