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#6.4 - BEER - Chris Forsberg

The Down and Dirty Show

1:08:40 hr | 1 year ago

#6.4 - BEER - Chris Forsberg

"Did top it up because we are about to kick it off. I'm going to introduce our next guest so you go and grab a beer both the people listening as well as my next guest because this is because everybody enjoys roadrunners beer with jared deandre also want to ask you on the front end of this episode. Please review listen enjoy but just give me five stars even if you hate the podcast because I just want people to know about this podcast. I'm all about diversity and you know when people heard that I was GonNa do a podcast. They expect kind of automotive. They just expect cars. They expect kind of automotive industry or announcing in obviously expect beer. That's going to happen but I wanted to secretly call this beer but also because everybody enjoys roadrunners roadrunner run on the road. It's about travel. It's about the journey. It's about all of that. So please go rate. Give Five stars to my podcast now. Previous episodes of this podcast featured many different people automotive world but also just dropping one in the middle doing five point five with my buddy Ali. Asha worker more. We're bouncing around two wheels four wheels and here. We are lanny back. What a lot of people know me as in the drifting world so had to bring somebody that always gets the win a lot of people's minds and of course in my heart and there's a gentleman that I truly love. He's a great friend of mine off the track on the track. We've shared the most amount of time and just we just you know. The drifting traveling circus is is a family. But obviously you're going to gravitate towards people that you just enjoy the time a little more and I enjoy many peoples times but this gentleman was traveled all over. We've shared many last many tears. Many tears of joy tears of anguish. But just I truly enjoy this gentleman's company and we. We partied together. We've cried together. We've shared tattoos together. And I love this gentleman. So He's part of the family. He's three time formula drift champion. Chris the Force Forsberg so he's grabbed a beer. I've grabbed a beer. Chris is sitting somewhere in a bathroom. I think it was you. You sitting in a bathroom yeah. Was it a back room or a bathroom? Oh I thought you were at the bathroom at the circle. K around the corner. Okay got it. You're in the back room got it. Yeah I'm in a room of the shop because know I'm Dan. Cutting Brian but You know mega right yeah. Happy hour chats a beer You know you're working for the day like near ideal guys. I'll be in the bathroom. The bathroom well for the next hour. don't bother me do that. Del Taco ran right through me. We got some. We got some bad impossible down at the DEL TACO and last Sienna right right at the gate again. People expect automotive but here we are getting back. The drifting low hanging fruit dude. Just hours ago you dino twenty twenty formula drift comp car and what were the horsepower numbers that I saw? Well seventy to the ground our And thirteen thirteen. Holy Banana cakes. I mean do you. What do you know the records? As of like who has. Who's WHO's ever. I think Dean Carney posted something ridiculous years ago high. He was like fourteen. S which is pretty. I mean if you really think about it. Di- goes got. Everybody smoked because he did like twelve. Eighty in twenty twelve. Yeah twelve eighty two thousand twelve. Yeah that was the two S. four thirty correct. Yeah so like when he came over and twelve that maniac machine he literally what I did today. Eight years ago that is just absolutely bonkers. But so you know here you are. T are engine. Three Seventy Z. We are currently under the kind of quarantine cove nineteen lock it down. You've been in the lab You your boy you know. Diamond Fab Jimmy. I concepts all those all those gentlemen. You've been working remotely and they've been in your ear telling you what to do though right. I mean like I've been putting a car together Out here by myself Not Entirely by myself you know. I don't the hand and a new teammate. Has Been Working in shuffle time. Jimmy came now for the first half of the bill We didn't have the engine yet. We're just of getting the car back together cleaning lines believing things and like getting ready And then we did. A budget changes in the last month. Or so Russell my Spotter and suspension Guy Russell Water Russell Walker Texas Ranger just to be specific de. Yeah Yep and Yeah he redid suspension points on the car so we put a whole new supreme in the back of the car We did a A new quick change cool. We're not this isn't a tech bill. We're not doing a boring tech talk. I feel like we've already had like five of them. We've already had five of these conversations but they're like black garage and like what's going on. Hey form drift headed blackout. So what are you drink Chris? What's your beer of choice? Yeah what do you think do biggby l? You'RE SO EXOTIC. You're drinking the sweet out specifically only be on your podcast. No that is not true. You're drinking the tears photo From the person's name rhymes with spam. Melvin and it was like you know handle I'm yeah. Don't worry I gotTA cover. That is the tiers of Post Malone that you're drinking I appreciate that as post Malone drink. You're GonNa Make Fun of that. We just need to drink together so I am currently drinking a beer of never happy for its Drakkar from Fargo North Dakota but I think you'll appreciate the name it's called Gasm Echo guys. I got. I got a pretty good beer in the fridge. I should show you a friend of ours brought by. I've been wondering when the drinking today might be a good day so next time you go on some weird ran. Eyal right over the bridge. Six so echo at Gaza from Fargo North Dakota Really Dope graphics on it but breaking it down Sicher Mosaic House. Geese PALE to row flaked. Oats careful multidose. These are one of those rants. If you'RE GONNA go get them beer numb joking. Don't go anywhere don't do it. Seven percent don't don't leave. Don't leave a soldier behind. You got a nice frosty cold crispy boy there. You No rose. Yeah Kristie boy flowing out of here. They Forsberg again again if to. You're a heavily branded right now. For those that could see this this might just live in the ether but you got BC racy Mishimoto parts you got Canaan air filters jd Pistons Radiant Dorian the bathrooms well because we're in the bathroom so because we're under quarantine. Forsberg ran out of toilet paper. So he's purely using cannon air filters as toilet paper you just their washable. You re oil washable Spray on there. And it's great then we're gonNA define what's what's your most memorable trip You and I had together. Can you think of anything off the top of your head something stupid? There's one that kind of stands out in my mind. Yeah Well God. Dang there's a few like there's there's so many FDA's as well like if you WANNA take out of the equation Right Abu Dhabi or maybe China. Some of the early ones are cool ones but there are so many like oh. You're talking about cinema and point ten thousand six he's talking. Irwindale and you know there's so many right any stick out where I look like look like an ass where you look at all of them all very good down one that stands out in my mind is is a classic trip and it was just totally off the radar which would be Not Dr but Puerto Rico Puerto Rico. Where else did we go? Costa Rica. Where did we go that island? Where now where do we go? No go ahead. Where we're von where we took Mickey Edwards and Tony and in Vaughn and the right L. Salvador El Salvador. That was that was a wild trip. One stands out in my mind. It's on the drift alliance video too. I wasn't a total buffoon. It was Tony Angelo. That didn't want beans on his plate. Tony Angelo former said no Bush. The story goes that we're in El Salvador were standing at a fairly decent resort and Tony Angelo former formula drift driver eventually judge now motor trends star again drift alliance drift trip along with a couple. Hot Boys Dub Ernie veal and the apex there. Too we'll stunt riders now. They're very accomplished. Which is pretty sad to see. They're they're kind of careers. Grow but Tony. Angelo does not like beans and there was a language barrier here lost in translation. And the case is that. Tony asked multiple times for no beans on his plate breakfast. We're in this nice little COSC- look at the ocean. Well unfortunately the plate came back with beans once again and Tony and I was kind of egging him on a little bit and Tony just a little bit. And he blames me for him snapping. He's like played overhead full plate. I said No. Beans smashes the plate on the ground. Zero Chill Zero Chill. Yeah that was pretty funny. And then you gotTa then you laugh and I was like this is stupid and just like finish breakfast man. Just like they're nothing like is great. Yeah that was that was an eventful one and I remember again. All my highlights of in the video is falling on the slide. Falling down this falling down that and it was just meet is falling falling all over the place and another another great ship. Another great trip in my mind was Was New Zealand. Rebel drifters Tyler mcquarry. Went over there Ryan Turk and And yourself and Obviously Mad. Mike was there. It was his event but notably the thing is that we were. We were asked to go bungee jumping. We had the opportunity to go bungee jumping and the story goes that base. Okay Yeah you yeah you interview Chris. Tell please tell us your experience so yeah. We're getting ready to go bungee jumping and I'm immediately like I don't WanNa do that. I don't this is my thing my I wouldn't have signed up for it but like whatever and like everyone starts talking about it and You Know Church I wanNA to do and you're like oh I don't WanNa do it. You know we're like. Oh cool all right so none of us want to do this by kind of show and hang out. Whatever they all they go through the tower. You know let's just gets to go check it out like all right. We're GONNA Tower. I'm already like I hate it. I hate all this strike like walking on that tiny little thing under the bridge to the POD bay like okay like everybody just Kinda hang out in jail and you know like we had all basically not doing right like yeah like yeah. We're not going. I'm not John Jump. Fight this you know like like if you don't want to do then we don't have to. And so the way they do it is the Bundy's set up from the biggest guys. The small guys keep pulling the strings off right and so the first guy they call up and like I don't know whatever his name was Nico go read. Meco read is a huge molly dude in in New Zealand still drifts. He's a maniac driver but he's larger than me so they they have the most amount of Bungee bungee ropes for him. You're like nope not doing it. And it's like like all right. We're the good guy and then Problem that's actually not. That's neat right. Defend himself and So then Move into Jared and they call up. Jared Jared Book and just like run to action like you mother ever totally like sign up and I know if if Jerry Jones is bridge. I have to jump off his fridge. I can't back down now. I can't let him have that overweight. And I sat there and wet bullet next like thirty minutes. Waiting for my turn and sure enough jumped off that bridge. I had every second of it and now we can talk about it because the the story that like the worst stories of the best stories and and Yeah Bungee jumping is not my favorite thing. But there's no way like going to New Zealand and hanging homeys and getting this opportunities. Pro Bono was paid for right. Like Red Bull took care of it and we got the jump and I got to outshine you so that was cool so do you do you hate or love your nickname the force. Levin do you. Yeah why I mean because okay so actually Out of why don't ask anymore star wars like new livery or anything like that like you really. Don't really actually soup for eternity. Yeah right yeah I keeping the fourth aspect of IT and Yeah da going into cars. What's what's a vehicle that you wish. You never got rid of what vehicle you kind of bummed because you sold your championship convertible you've sold gotten rid of too many vehicles but what's vehicle. Maybe you'll be glad. I unloaded the car. They didn't need it right. I have to three seventy already Convertible car and the only one I would say that I wish I still had. Yeah because you did get rid of the SR Z. To thank John that that car went all the way to South East Asia and now the car that was like my first car and FD album convertible car. Like I just have so many like high low memories in that car my purse championship in that car and I would like to see that. One back Restored back to its like o-9 that up and everything you know like Coal from redline rations. Who BOUGHT MY CAR? And there's you know we're putting it back the two thousand sixteen livery And Everything. Oh you are For for him. Yeah he's GonNa run the twenty sixteen setup right the same set up your car. He also bought like eight pro or for one D one cars. I know he owns my favorite one which the top secret has fifteen. Yeah say he's Got Miki's car you got Kazama like over five Green Bean He got like one of the as a as he got one of the team arms. Like he's building probably they world. I drove me then. That's so sick. Really Cool Dude. Yeah what if you could if you could build any vehicle outside of what you're doing nissans and we talked about this on Formula Drifts. high-octane episode. But what what would you? What would you build outside of a Nissan Z? Like do you do. You admire anybody else's car and you're like I like to build a Mustang or I'd like to build like Osborne supra or something like that like do you have any probably just by the Rotary Got. Softbank for really when the Rotary now. That's true so do you like. Fd like a three row would be awesome. But you see kyle. Mohand Kinda struggling there a little bit. He could get those horses just getting that all dial together like do you. You Canada's wouldn't WanNa build become fishing day. I would want to build in. Yeah that's true. What podcasts are you listened to if any at all I'm really looking to many lately? No no yeah I I. Honestly Joe Rogan Bond Sh Traveling but like haven't been traveling Driving many places and so things like that. It's like whatever what What's the first thing you're going to do when you get a quarantine like where's the first place you're GONNA eat Really want go to the bike. Almost cry I mean like I like super bombed during Long Beach Time. Normally they're hanging on like I'm chatting with Chris created. That's why we did a little like like party like on my Instagram we raised a couple of hundred bucks with charities cool but yeah like like sucks like beach like my favorite event. Yeah so yeah definitely like you know. And he's he's bummed out. Of course you know. Pike's goes down and they all they want to hang out with all their friends and family and so I'm just to go back over. Yeah Pike Bar Cherian fourth in Long Beach if you're listening to this Best Bar the world. I mean absolutely Chris Rees the owner killer dude just just all around him and his wife and his whole family so Rad What what. What are you listening to right now in the garage? What's what's kind of like hot on the button and crank cranking for the past two days. There's something Boeing Marathon. I don't know why he didn't I had to look it up. He didn't He wasn't born and didn't die on this day or weekend in January. I don't know what it is. But they're like doing it like big Bowie marathon and I'm not upset about it. So He's been he's been through the afternoon and does Dylan Dylan you and Dylan. Hughes another form of computer for those. That don't know you guys sharing a lot of space a lot. I mean if if if you have the virus if Dylan has the virus you guys definitely have it together you guys you guys have been swapping spit been like four months of having it my four months out Walker Mary much Just work on cars and you know at Dara corn team. You know what I mean you know. I think everybody's got that yeah. Welcome to a blackout Cova. Petri dish garage. Yes are we're hanging out. Where would you Where would you like to visit again? We rattled off a few different places. Abu Dhabi drifting. He is marina but but personally I mean is there someplace you'd like to go I like to spend a little more time over in Europe. I've been a couple countries Never been to Spain. Barcelona Madrid things like that. Never been to I wonder if Germany once I was literally on the ground in Germany by twenty two hours whole event and everything. I like landed at like ten. Am went crash out of the hotel like five hours like a whole grid lifestyle Party Day night event and like party five. Am I way out in the morning at six? Great Great Segue speaking of grid life. Amazing event. We've we've gone now for quite a few years grid. Life has just grown into kind of a bit of a break in a party and I I had turned on the podcast and we talked about kind of some insane. No deals the fours align at road. Atlanta is probably. He said like the craziest most bonkers drift that he's ever done. Would you agree? That was kind of the craziest thing you've done especially in the in the party car in the fifty six four people holy crap. Okay so for those for those. That don't know breakdown grid life and then obviously the what you did And my favorite of all time and a Party THAT SURROUND TRACK RIGHT. And so you have on You Know Music Festivals You know going on deejays Banned fans rap bars Were you name it right and During the day as a full track session you got time attack wheel-to-wheel you got drifting and drifting has between Ryan along and like little teams ramps and things like that no competition a good old time and they come Sunday events pretty much clearer now Big shows are over and they'll come Sunday. They kind of like open up the talk a little bit to us and allow us to get No more high speed more You know hot laughs things like that and we have you know camera cars out there chasing us we are trying to push limits and say how fast cars and so wrote. Atlanta has a back strain that has an overcrowded king Which is where we lined up for as mind you if you go back and look at the video. We are entering before the burn outbox for the start line of trump in the video. Nick Swan standing where you basically leave the start line in. Fd Pro and your Jammie passed him in the F. Depressed art line now and so Dubbed the four the line. Because I'm saying knowing it. Stephen a try some real life where you go like back neck or let you go down the back straight and when you come over that little Chris than king on the right hander. You kinda like unwanted car and get it. Kinda settled out to the right and then transfer back on the throttle and driving down the hill. Push it left and we're basically like transferred back left like just after chicanes crafty and just drag it all the way in and we were heading. We were the first year. We're estimating our speed based on mph and deer and everything or coming like one forty one fifty We did a honest radar at like one of the one twenty seven but that was the next year camera cars so the first year. We're jam is in the second year. We're trying to coordinate with cameras. I was like a little slower. But we're still hitting almost one thirty That was definitely the dumbest thing I've done in a car. Really Melania would you do it again? I like draft tire in the grass. And it hooks up. You're going to come all the way down that hill. So you scare. You scared yourself. Would you do it again? I didn't think it was the dumbest thing and I'll never do it again at every time and obviously all the safety requirements. We've got helmets fully cades so cars have full cages. We're all wearing our helmets. And all the safety gear all that Hundred percent but still it would. It would just be a you know it could be potential or a gnarly crashes off speaking of gridlock more. What's that we're doing a tandem? That's right yeah. And that's why I without Bronx Clean Air. Yeah he's like front row and shit show Run headfirst into a mosh. Pit doesn't even know it to speak a mosh pit bloody noses. Andrew W K. That was probably one of your favorite shows. Yeah definitely Ended UP A game like Super Party. Put on a great show and He went for a ride in the car with him in the band around for a laugh and that was really fun. I really enjoyed that. Just like he just has like energy and like he's like super positive guys well like it's cool They're like GM perform. Now what are when when I asked you to be on this podcast you know I I sent tax to everybody and and you're Kinda like who do you have me on your basically. I sent the same text message to you. Von Turk few. You drifters in some people. Just kind of all it took was the first to respond response. That is why Ryan Turk was the first guest on the podcast. I'm glad to finally have you on here. Obviously and we're going to drop the boom but what kind of questions or kind of topics were you expecting for us to have kind of right now. 'cause got I don't really WanNa talk about like cars and all and all that stuff. That's our kind of symbiosis like our deal. But were more about like debauchery and drinking and like tripping home from Pike Bar. What were you expecting? What were you expecting you and I had to kind of talk about asking your car like working and stuff like that might have been talking about that crap all the time empties asked me about the car Now like no whole quarantine thing has been super frigging weird but like I gotta say like it's been it's been silly Sam same now right now jeeze every time. Do they get him? I can't help but been frigging great like the shop is better than ever. We're like productive or getting the business like set out more and Starting to make parts to merge Keshavan build more time dino like June the cars in Getting really doubt up and I literally like things are great having a Great Britain anytime you. I feel like on a better physician than ever. I understand that you know the whole. No Cohen is like very difficult or something happened in. That part sucks like racing. We'll to my wife to open a bottle of champagne by the way. What did you just? Elsa Skin Lit overhear yes Sunday Friday. Just won the mom championship all of a sudden even ever been the. She's undefeated right now. Mom Champ eighteen years in a row. I'm just trying to think of like some good times that we could share. I I'm looking at a A Picture on the wall from two thousand ten can't see the day. Looks like June six two thousand ten hall and OATES. We're in the Baltimore. Hey Doug Hall and oates one of the. It's probably like top. Three concert might even be the best concert I've ever been to it was. I don't know if I was the best like show I've ever seen but it was the best show that I've ever been to is the best. Securi- group I grew we had was in Spain. Thank we have. What thirty people there? Dude YEAH SO JUNE. Two thousand ten. This is post Formula Drift New Jersey. And do you remember? Who HERE WE GO? Statman remember who won that event? June June two thousand ten former New Jersey. Here we go a beautiful mind right now. Just Cadillac Unity. The numbers on for sure. Okay Yeah I think you only on podium and I did not. I know that Parker go look it up on the phone. Recent on the podium. Okay here we go and look I send you this funny. Oh I sent you that Steven Seagal video by the way You Gotta. Watch that later. I said have you seen it now? I really enjoy a goal and then go. They're definitely not taken sunglasses men. I got my statman over here. Parker is GonNa look who won Formula Drift. June two thousand ten podium for Formula Drift. So what do you got any company? What do you need Dylan? I Dunno endorsed only meal on in front of that look out. There's some crazy Mexican Dude Kim Marshall. How many how many nerds and black hats can you fit in one bathroom right now? You Got Kinen and dillon us. Hey Down Dylan bathrooms. So we got room down onto Dylan. How doing yeah doing alright. Got The fixed flat fix the flair me going to pick your flight. I the VEGEMITE flat out. We do all of this week Yeah seriously like all right I I can't see. Can you see Barker's looking it up so so the the hall and Oates Concert Post Formula Drift New Jersey? All of us go from New Jersey. Is that up or down to. I know I know one no way. No way who wanted did no. It says von won the championship that year in two thousand and ten with two victories along on race way Conrad One. I'm calling it. Wow okay hold on Burger. Help me out here. My staff my staticial guys is a little slow over here. Parker's I told Him Jersey two thousand and ten. That's what I said all right so after form of New Jersey. We all again upper down. Which WAY IS MARYLAND FROM JERSEY? I'm terrible on the east coast so we went south. It's raining on her way. There we go. Everybody goes to every RONDOS DEVAN king. Junior's house and we got celebrities like junming got June main. There we got we got. We Got Andy Saf. Any SAP is in the building. We got Brian Eggert. We have Brian Wilkerson but then mad. Mike Tony Turk Vaughn. You me why. What's that done there and then Ryan Dunn and His Lady Angie There so recipes Ryan John? Shout at them out. But I'm in my in my living room. So there you go you dumped it out down your gullet but yeah Ryan down there. There were thirty of US man in like the whole crew. Mike Gillyard cousy. Was there people that were talking about that? People listening. Don't know but dude. It was poetic. Because we ron boot involves house. We all took different cars. I remember pornography was playing in one suburban at one point when? We're driving down there with Stephanie. When we get there we rendezvous Ryan Dunn and his chick and win at this at this venue. Peer six in the in the in the Maryland. Harbor you come from the back of the stage and do you recall this or am I just making this up where we come from the behind the stage we look over and I swear. I'm joking winked at me but then like but you know like first guitar. Chord Hits Win. Walking renowned timing and like so many people can relate to this like the just the the concert experience. And sometimes you're like all right like you know you make my dreams come true. I remember that coming. I mean that Manila's breaking your workers are gone. It was like it was like getting out of line low where we knew nothing happening and yeah we like get through that gate and you're right it's just like like it was starting like. Oh my God all hold up to the grass and Guy That big sponsored parties. Oh yeah and we had like our own bar. I mean we're we're Kinda gloating here but it. It's four rightful reason because it was absolute parker. Looked it up. And he's he's he's seen that Frederick Osborn one former New Jersey winter two thousand ten Frederick Oslo now twenty four hours. I when I wasn't even around in twenty ten parker you're fired the final twenty four and then I hit him he won. That was well. Parker you're fired. Go back in the pool we have. Let's ask God does not check out so I'm GonNa do facts on the fact guy. He's he's fired from my family's thirteen years old and he didn't even have a job. Are you gonNA look it up right now? I feel like you're looking at up once you go grab that other beer. Grab that other bureau. Quick grab the Fancy Board here. Yeah exactly so look look it up. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa talk about you I don't know. Can you hear me if I keep talking but Chris Forsberg in our in our relationship goes back quite a bit? And I'll catch up on this but How Forsberg and I met was actually via Tony. Angelo and Tony Angelo. Who's now again a hot rod garage doing a lot of stuff with motor trend? I read an article about Tony and Chris Forsberg and Matt Petty while they were attempting to compete in d. One and they drove from Pennsylvania New Jersey respective east coast locations all the way to Irwindale California while I was working at Racer magazine. I read an article in wired about drifting. And I'd already been in the tuner world for quite some time and reading story about these east coast. Kids that drove cross country and they they kind of mashed up graphically some initial D graphics in with these kids that are wearing You know just like rock and roll t shirts. I'm trying to think of a riverboat. Gamblers or something that that petty was wearing a shirt. Do you remember what shirt was? Was it riverboat? Gambler sure that somebody was wearing. I mean I used to ever Rogaine. Which ripples kind of cried favorite serpent shirt you get really drunk and rowdy. Get like really Feisty Randy feistiest Nellie I know I mean because the only reason why is because you you can deal. They couldn't take it. No POCONO grabby you. You'd be like like freak out condition but he can't handle it now like someone into a seven eleven grammy me like real hard and like read much. Leave off or shirt you were pretty mad. I don't know if you heard me telling the story about how we met is is through Tony Angelo. Because I read the article wired about you petty Tony and Basically Tony. I reach out to Tony via aim via somebody else. That knew him. I was wearing resear- magazine. I like the sport. Drifting didn't really know much about it reading the story where it's intermeshed initial D fast forward to me inviting Tony Angelo. To come live with my recently married wife and I in San Diego Pro Bono. For like nine months he didn't pay a single cent he lived with us. And you told me about East Coast Drifta. And this is actually. This might be a good story to tell right now is Tony. Tony was living in my house to clean up. Make your bed. We're all good and I wasn't making a ton of money. I don't know what just inspired me to do this. But if it wasn't for me reached out to Tony and finding the drifting world and what's going on because I'd been in the tuner culture for so long but understanding drifting and also I'd never been to the East Coast really like I'm trying to think I don't even think New York prior to that but T. bones making a cameo here is just saying what's up just getting out of the pool So Tony Tony lives with us in like a month or so into it. He kinda tells me he's like yeah. I got this friend Chris Forsberg and he's living up in Orange County. And because you got put on by signal auto and do you remember kind of us in our first encounter. I think I know I know A bunch of times. But I couldn't tell you like our I. I wonder that's what you mean. I don't think I couldn't put it out but I think it was either going to the signal autoshop or going to your apartment where you live with that. Do the had the white Z. That eventually crashed or broke his front bumper with. He was a little have aggressively into another car doing that. We shouldn't have been doing and it wasn't making power to do the turn like you know slid out. What was that Disney hired turn? What was that name again? I can't remember June Parker. Says what's up to braiding hair because it's so long during quarantine times are you. Have you shaved your head yet or anything man? She's going on out. Oh man weren't keeping on. Yeah so so so getting getting like getting to getting to know you so Tony. Tony tells me about you. We go up to Orange County a signal auto and on the On not outs but yeah. We weren't really trying too much that we kind of bringing back again because we both we went. Our separate ways only moved to California island in Long Beach and he was like nor count for a minute and then went to your place and it was like okay. We're still trying to get the same goal. Like smooth is all out but yeah so I remember when we first met him. I remember going to your place. Then we went to Show and you. You put the Gumbo stick. I remember watching you. Put It on sticker on the hood of your way. Wrx and Maximillian. Was there your car parked in a corner now? The person hung out. I remember that Godoy car show meet up thing But yeah so we did and hung out and then you came back to my apartment because I think it was that that show was that day and then like my apartment that night. Yep and Remember Tony. Pool the Ebrahim on your car. I'll do corner in your it wasn't it wasn't just a corner we were. We were leaving like Irvine Spectrum and I'm driving and coming around like a big. Like you know cloverleaf. Turn in California and Tony Yanks pulls the handbrake and totally come around. These is dying laughing. I'm like what like what are you doing. You dumb ass could frigging died. Amazing Times with Eto Alex pfeiffer Tommy Angelo Lindsey Ross. Do you remember the time? When Alex Pfeiffer know who fell asleep and somebody put their testicles on somebody else's face was that pass down and head bald on that guys say I wanNA say it was that. Yeah yes it was. That was a that was a classic time. So in Miami around the rotary secret days or living in the shop where scooter races and then like there's one time Oh I'll close conrad versus pollock and then also look starts regular win. Twenty Eleven Ever The final that wall twenty eleven talk back to my original gut. Feeling Reese in Bonn in them. That's kind of a good calculated kind of estimation of given the given the names in the The Times. Yeah but yeah. So we What was I gonNA say Singing Orlando Secret. And we're just like you know super-party blockhouse clubhouse saying aside and we're doing three spree. Scooter races around the building and My Buddy I worked on said the best time. Really come between six and all that and My buddy comes around the corner like light skinned up and the things a little scratched out walking with ended. Like Oh man you know like Mandalay your bike down right and like it wasn't destroyed and of course it's like this is kind of inevitable. You're leading like six guys rage. Scoot around building. Someone's GonNa wipe out like we're just pick on some rats and comes limited APP and by looking at it like we own had like maybe a little look like throw the voting knock like wow was not as bad as it is now and then I put in his car and left and I'm pretty sure that's when we kind of stopped hanging out with them. That would be battle version. Alex Alex Pfeiffer broke his scooter and he got really pissed. And now hang out much after that you and speaking of Tony Angelo. He's just kind of integral part of of our relationship by the way. What are you drinking right now? What's what's your fancy boy beer. So is that basically my there. May A friend of brand came by Nebraska's he found this. So you're saying there's no better public. Have you ever heard of that? Yep Bear drift racer and it's a two forty down there. Yeah it has yeah has has drifting on their contract. Brinson dude and has like for those that can't see it looks kind of animation like speed. Racer Rising Sun Z. Going sideways with racing stripe number five and eight percent did yeah. Bear won't speed lines on it going the wrong direction totally well bear bear. Public always had had racer five racer. Five is always been a staple of the bear republic brewery because they always have had five but the drift racer going sideways. Because it's a double. That's why I think it's because it's a little more sideways. Yeah interesting mix and I know brought that I was like Oh know under I could show you there you go so I'm GonNa go ahead and Change Ramona I'm going to reach out to them and And See if can get get that sponsored You know I just want people to kind of listen into our dumb conversations that we have and I'm trying to think 'cause would just start rambling about things but I don't know if we can really kind of elaborate into what what are normal dumb conversations really break down to what's what's your what's what's your favorite incident. What yeah what's your favorite instagram account? Either should steve or Why people they're pretty good. How about I guess for me because I'm a dad Is Middle Fancy like Nansen ran down? I mean everyone but it's it's it's a continuous theme. The guys come in. Are they coming in. Take some more toys from me right now. I keep walking by the window. So my name something. They've they keep coming in here. I'm just trying to mind dump. Just take my reason being around Dylan Hughes. Do you feel. Do you feel like you're kind of living vicariously living vicariously through you as like a good simpatico of of each other bring great old time dude. You guys like seem like you're having so much fun right now. I feel like you're I don't know it seems like you're a young youthful self exactly Now like you know like I said. I can't say like happy about the quarantine. That's not what I mean by this at all right. Let me say it's very poor Chan. We WANNA RAISE SAYING. We want everything to the open. We want people to not have hardship but Just the change in the pace of what has been going on around here has been like like what you what we have. Recently it's been like Some of the best like weeks I've ever had because it's like we're like we're like like working at a average pace. We're getting stuff done. We're not stressed out or like just having an incredible amount of fun and good times while still working while still being productive and like this is like everything I've ever wanted and this whole sport this whole chase of running a shop running a business and trying to be a pro driver like it's baby like peeking out right now and not that. I think we'll go away once we hit the track again. I think I like pause. Allowed him to like catch up buying like really feel one step behind. You know it's like Oh we got we got. We got and like difficult like his at mark and be able to You know It's always one step ahead. Yeah Yeah because especially as you look at other people and look at other. It's like it's so easy to like compared to other teams other drivers. And when you're looking at like you thirty forty other guys and you're saying like you're picking out like oh. That guy's doing best in that guys doing doing this the best. So you just compare jump like tend to people and possible right. Yes yeah so. My James Does like a talent competition events and love and killed it and then got volunteers doing like a lot of you. Know Variety events running the business. And then you got other people that are designing parts and building partially other guys are focused strictly emerging. And you know I think that strictly only video content and I should do it. All is super right. Yeah we're like kind of hitting that point right now that that I mean that's my it's it's like it's like it was it was buffering and it's finally like it's kind of like before before this podcast like all right. We're skype and we're calling okay. You're a little glitch. Now I can hear you but it's just not focused and now it's like you with the with the CO vid unfortunately case the silver lining for you is that. It's just gaining some clarity. Oh My Gosh. This is just like my. This is dude. Mind bullets right now right. This is just metaphorically speaking. Exactly what happened? You finally getting some clarity and you could see just long distance you can see the scope hold on. I'm going to ask Parker Parker. Go in the fridge. There is a the silver one to swing top. Go and fill me up I would like the cerebral brewing Denver. Colorado I have the the Sour Tiki Ale which is banned by the way. It is the best leave me. We will go there. You got your kids born bears. No what priorities. That's why have kids bartenders. Built in Goodwood Festival of speed. That aval that rivals good trip I. I knew you were going to say that because you're like a video because that's one of my favorite stories about time. Allow a lion stories right. Yeah it's like can't can you guys play the keynesianism so br break it down. Because again I don't I don't WanNa be the one to talk so much here but Forsberg what year. That was your first goodwood festival speed correct. Who's your I? I'm running and we go by saying at the time. Moore Marsha incredible and there's String Orchestra they're right like five or six so pretty small but very very talented. And they're playing amazing music. And you like stumble out there and really driving for the day don announcing for the day or just like we weren't belligerent. But wish someone up there with a couple of days God hilarious but but let me let me back up real quick because when we passed it earlier in front of the Goodwood House. We did hear them. Play the game of Thrones Anthem Dent today and we are the were hot and heavy into into game of thrones. So it's going in and we're done with the day we go get a little. Pim's we get some little a couple of drinks in us and then when we come out and it wasn't just strings because they did have clarinets. Because you need those are. They did have like an oboe right. I mean so they have. It's not just string so when we walked out both you and I feel a little little little brave couple couple tattooed. Yankees in a British land smiled and gave him a vegemite sandwich. Joking and we go over to the plan of game of thrones again right. Yes it was like that you later and we wanted to film it right. They're gonNA play. The thing warmed up. They're playing like you know and it was your idea. I know the Star Wars Dung and I'm like wait. Why would they have that or no? That can you like like. Can you play the continues on one? Like violinist woman and she's like yeah yes I just like laughing at us right but with one and two and three took the canteen song and they all like my turn their pages over but then that'd be team. Yes Yeah Okay and and that that and that event as a whole is such a good going off. It's those moments that I think that you and I truly enjoys the juxtaposition of life of like here. We are across the you know. I mean just across the pond not across the globe but we have been aggressive globe to Dubai to the Middle East to New Zealand but goodwood and this is what three years ago two years ago. Yeah so yeah so seventeen. I'm terrible at this at all blue. Together Yeah so we we go experience. This was that before or after you crashed into the Hay bales clearly before that was clear quite clearly. Nine oh I don't know actually no no. I think it was Sunday. Wasn't it was you who may drive that? First Session Sunday. Which is why we're having our early start. That's right that makes more sense. 'cause WE DRIVE SUPER LATE. Sunday or Saturday and we go straight into show way. Aso's Sunday As we did two sessions one like first thing in the morning and then went off and like a broken arm. you'll back and basically like Huckabee car back together Somebody panels and we went right back out because we're like thirty. Am and then like ten am and then we're done for the day they do the He'll climb so it was like all right like hey mail them fix the car and then you know like we do the run Fix The car and do the second Brian. We didn't miss anything all right like I didn't bring drink day to finish it up. And then we just started getting hot and heavy with the the orchestra and that's like I was saying. That's the juxtaposition that I think you. And I both enjoy and especially drifters in general the kind of expectation or what people have the preconceived idea of who we are and you you actually got the invite for. Lord marches exclusive dinner. And here we are sitting next to Lamar winner. I couldn't I can't even think the names right now. But they're legendary racers and and we're sitting down what's that Shara shared with with hill dare kill and then we know we hung out with Tom Christianson. We hung out eraser BMW. I can't remember their names are escaping me right now but legendary dudes. We're the only had short sleeved shirts on because we I didn't know we're going to this thing. And you had no expectation but the juxtaposition of it all is that we are completely warranted to be there. We're allowed. We're allowed to be there because of because of not who? We are. Not by a pompous sort of attitude but because of the caliber of diversity that the world is now right. I mean it's a it's a fairly generalized statement but I thoroughly enjoy not making people uncomfortable but challenging them to the point where it's like. Who is this guy? What is he doing here? I we're rightfully allowed to be there. Because if you're talented driving in your prowess and who you are how you stand what you've done what you've accomplished what you're bringing to the show. That is good with vessel speed and you could sit next to somebody who has competed or one or or or done this or you know the. Michelin this person. That person you know getting getting really kind of You know insightful on this concept but that that kind of that kind of a bit say it again. I said it's pretty wild dinner to attend like you said like the the cover of people that are at that dinner for us to be bunch of drifts kids you know from nowheres. Pa Hanging out with these like Jerry racers and you know Lamont winters and F one champion and Blah Blah Blah and. We're just like Yeah we're like one of the twenty five I can To go on the highlight show at Goodwood. Yeah Yeah are you are you did you get an invite for twenty twenty. I know obviously being pushed do pushing everything. Yeah I did twenty twenty one shaped one best counter your overhead. Often we're lined up to do I A twin turbo car upgraded. I put a change in that car. So now it's like ready to try and do The rebel drifters event and Goodwood. And then come back here at the end of the year so think we're GONNA do a European tour and then we had 'em doing the grid life tour and then we had a guard on shore and not even conflicted. It was an incredible lineup. Sorry you ended their abruptly. I'm just thinking about yeah but again. We'll we'll see we'll see how it all pans out I I'm not gonNA say that a I'm upset and change in the schedule and everything else 'cause like I said so. Many other things have happened Because of the change of pace because we have basically had the same in and out schedule like How do I? It's very repetitive. Every very repetitive right. And so this has been a shake up that I've really needed And not just be like okay. Sima okay off season okay rebuild the car okay like go to FDA okay for good lines. You know the same thing and I love and continue to do it right like we're still competitive or winning events we're still like in championship punts and we still have an amazing have a good life and we still love rides and all the things are great but there's Complete change has like changed my perspective on some things and married I would say my life a lot better Yeah just just having that clarity and that kind of sense too that that moment to breathe. Yeah 'cause you're just you're in the hamster wheel every day. Yeah this isn't actually once you're out you're like oh another thing like you know just kind of like just opened up the Opened up the path or and I'd say the pass it put the monotony. Yeah you don't you yes you can do your Lawn Avenue. Open more avenues of Ways to grow the business ways to Potentially a have a you know a living and also More happiness and more fun as they said just doing the same time over and over you know old because waste time. We all the time in between. It's just like your spokes. Earning both in the next thing. Now it's like pause and this break go like wow. We should work on this whole week. And whatever towards this and now like so. I really enjoyed it. Hey put it that way by. It's been beneficial for me because it can be beneficial for anyone. You gotta just find out how it works for you and what a complete change of everyone's daily Monotony Can do for them silverline. Yeah there's perspective. It gives you perspective as far as assessing what your program looks like. What's going down? It's kind of like sitting in the waiting room doctor's office. Some people are awaiting death. Some people are waiting birth. Some people are waiting to find out. They're pregnant when people are finding out that they have cancer. They're going to die. Some people are going to get great news that they don't have cancer cured. So it's about it's in that waiting room in that law that sometimes you get the best sense of clarity and actual realization of saying like all right. Suck IT UP. Chris. Suck it up jared. You'RE GONNA be okay or you're going to get some bad news and you're going to deal with it and you're going to deal with it accordingly or you're waiting room and like you might get dealt some bad news. What are you GonNa do with that? Are you GonNa go like you say like you know not the you know? Say this is no big deal but you know like say someone is diagnosed with terminal illness. Illnesses that okay. You got you got a year. What are you GonNa do with it right? Wallow in it you're gonNA live life to the fullest and so like you know. Been trying to like find buying those avenues and live a better life. We're kinda going reverse here because I started things off with where you are in the current and then you know normal podcast like tell me about your childhood telling me. Show me on the dull where he touched you. Whatever I'm joking ask but podcast get into like the core being of who people are and all that and and I feel like I'd rather not do that with you but at the same time I feel like people listening to this. Want to listen to to people that that love each other and all have shared many experiences together but I I love the maybe the question. There's a question here as well as education of what Chris Forsberg and you've put it out there you started to drift because you took the lawnmower out and you threw that into gear and he started just doing wheelies and drifting around on a lawnmower. What would you be doing? What would you be doing if you weren't drifting I? It's hard to say I I liked working on cars. I started working on cars before it started drifting and then I went to the restaurant And that's made all my money like by car. Part Right. Apartments thinks that like if I didn't have his goal like becoming a driver I I probably wouldn't. It was like taking easy straight night like becoming a bartender and just like you at a Party. Guy Fun and I was like. I was the only reason why I didn't become a bartender at fun because I left right mind turned twenty one killing at that restaurant like I went for my. You know busboy. Expediter to like headed the kitchen. So like Bar Back and was like you know had all the the best barbeques shifts and the only reason why. I didn't become the bartender there. Because it was twenty one when I moved and I quit moved to California and became a bartender like making you a couple of grand a month like like that like you know that they make a lot of money probably just continue living that life of like. Oh Martha on the weekends. I work on my car and maybe doing some project and like I don't really seem that is why would have been if I didn't have a higher goal. Yeah because your parents gave you an ultimatum. They said hey go to college or will buy your Z. Z. Eventually I don't think it was. It wasn't that cut and dry. Yeah I know that but like I mean well truth be told it was You know I was going to community college. Now here's the thing you know like we understand. You want your goal this idea this drain. We'll help you with that And then you know we'll see how it goes and so I told my RX7. I gave them the eighth grade. I got from it. We put that into a down payment for the cosign for the and they helped me with the payment on it like the first year so I could get out to California and drive and so I did that and then they had like no money the time so they helped me with the payments like the first year and then students like. I got out there like six months later while two months later they announced the Sima Right. 'cause I got the cow point October. Oh three drift show and whatever They announced all. That's going good and so then I turned into a sponsors. This is that right until like okay. There's like you know parts whenever coming in and then as soon as That kind of started happening then like I took over payments and I was paying that the three hundred forty bucks a month or whatever it was Until two thousand eight. Wow Nice car had been burning whenever four times over. You're making payments on a Nissan financing. Yeah that is that's that was was trip and And and the thing that they did they helped me to get the truck dodge because reliable and whatever and so I had to dodge. I drove out to California and then it was Within a year within the first year of me having it it was like oh well like you have people that transport your car for you so like you know. You don't need a truck and so like I spent the truck that couldn't make payments on it right and so it became a farm truck Ripping around back in PA and then in two thousand seven three years later. After I lost the outcome ride I was like hey like so if I like taking over payments on that truck and I use it. 'cause I needed biking truck smell but I got the truck back. Seven made a duly. 'cause I just got Are from foul again and needed Driving my stuff around. I picked up a forty trailer. Now is the start of the far and that whole nonsense and running my own teams. I've been doing it for fourteen years. Now somebody get stories and this is just the tip of the iceberg. And if you want to hear more stories just hang out with us in the form of Paddock. After an event you'll hear more more skin to win more beers more good times. I know oh I know I say look for another time. Yeah we should and normally like an hour about an hour about an hour admittedly more some more energy history and other. Yeah and admit. How are you doing now? This is like public public. Therapy is basically yeah Turk was the first episode and his was the shortest. It was like thirty five minutes because I was just kind of like feeling it out. Seeing what's going on and I could go longer with Turkey obviously and we have some great history but United eight hours. Nobody wants to listen to that. If we if we get more drinks and Essex it could get better only if we had Chris Reese and the Pike Bar and the and the best jukebox in southern California. Thank you so much boy. I love you and Brown. Yeah man so for more information on Chris Forsberg Goto at Chris Forsberg sixty four out Chris Forsberg dot org dot edu slash l slash Gov dot Gov but backslash dot com backlash Forsberg forest. Last Forsberg. Chris Forsberg Chris. Forsberg hits the win. Thank you so much man. I really truly appreciate it. Thank you so much and I will be talking to you real soon my friend.

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A Prayer for When You Are Anxious

Your Daily Prayer

04:23 min | 7 months ago

A Prayer for When You Are Anxious

"Hey listeners we are so excited to tell you about the two new podcasts. Life audio has available now. The first is rise up to raise up. Faith built kids. And the second is mama take heart. Both shows are for parents who are trying to navigate how to raise faithful children and a strange world. If you're at all a part of a child's life whether a parent grandparent family member teacher or mentor and are looking to understand. Gen z kids and how to reach them with the love of god. We hope you'll go to life audio dot com and check out our shows again. That's rise up to raise up kids and mama take heart A prayer for when you are anxious written by wendy vanak read by elissa forsberg. I am my beloved 's and his desire is for me song. Solomon seven ten. When i first read about the following prayer in a book by brennan manning called the furious longing of god. I thought it sounded too simple but i gave it a try anyway. I can't remember the exact words manning row. But i remember reading something along the lines of if you pray. This prayer every day for one month it will change you. This prayer has changed. Me is five word. Prayer has become my go-to prayer anytime. I feel anxious driving to colleges to get scan results. Aba i belong to you waking in the middle of the night with concerns about work or finances aga. I belong to you worrying over relationship that is struggling to work. I belong to you praying for a friend. Aga blink belongs to you. As i pray i find myself remembering who got is bid mighty good merciful loving abba as i pray i find myself surrendering to who god is in control. Infinite yon comprehension seeking my good as i pray. I find myself a leaving who i am. Human living in forgiveness valuable lovett desired by god ponder. Are you willing to try praying the prayer every day for a month and see if it helps your anxiety prayer. I exhale and inhale. When i pray it like brennan manning suggested but i've found my own rhythm inhale exhale i belong in hale to exile you. I find the combination of breathing and words. Call me this makes sense to me because none of us are only physical only spiritual words both so why not use both to find peace when i'm anxious an-.

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A Prayer to Pray Before You Sleep

Your Daily Prayer

05:11 min | 5 months ago

A Prayer to Pray Before You Sleep

"The prayer pray before you sleep. Written by debbie mcdaniel read by elissa forsberg. It is useless free to work so hard from early morning until late at night. Anxiously working for food to eat for god gives rest. His loved ones psalm. One twenty seven to whatever's pressing on our minds and hearts tonight may god give us the strength to lay it down again all a wrestling and the worries and stress. We carry are useless. we can trust the. He'll take care of whatever concerns us. he knows the best way. His timing is perfect and he is able. He's the storm. Calmer the peace giver. The burden lifter. The hope bringer. Nothing is too difficult for him. He truly is our peace us. This prayer as an outline for your own prayer to god for the end of each day and let him fill you with his peace and love a prayer to end the day. Let us pray dear god. Thank you for the blessing of the day and your goodness in it. Were grateful for the gift of life. Thank you for all the things you've allowed entire lives these past hours the good along with the hard things which have reminded us how much we need you and rely on your presence filling us every single day. Thank you for your great love and care. Thank you for your mercy and grace. Thank you that you are always with us. And we'll never leave us. We asked for your huge piece to surround us tonight. All of us who feel restless and worried right now. Those who have been carrying big burdens and shouldering stress. Help us to lay it down before you again. Even though we're struggling to really let go remind us that you can carry it so much better than we ever could may your power and your rest. Fill us fresh me. The presence of your spirit breathe. Hope deep into our souls even as we sleep. Forgive us for the times. We tried to do things all in our own strength getting too easily distracted or forgetting our need for you forgive us for letting fear and patients control us or for allowing pride and selfishness to dictate choices. Forgive us for not following your ways or for living distant from your presence. Cleanser hearts renew our minds. And you as we lay to rest we ask you would provide for our needs even as we sleep. We pray for your huge grace and favor. We thank you that you never sleeper slumber that you're always at work even in the dark of night even behind the scenes where we can't fully see we pray for your blessings to cover us that you would make every plan you've birth in our hearts to succeed at just the right time. We pray that you'd be opening doors clearing pathways closing the wrong roads and setting up our way for tomorrow. Help us to be alert to your spirit. That our hearts would be eager to hear your voice as we awaken. We pray you'd make us strong and courageous for the road ahead. Help us to feel refresh deep down in our souls and to be faithful to walk in the wisdom of your word. You give us a desire for more of your presence. Help us to remember to rely fully on fixing our eyes on. Jesus we ask for your words of truth and power to strengthen us in our inner being thank you for your goodness thank you that you know the way we take and that you have a plan we love you lord. We need you and we thank you. We can rest in your perfect care. And jesus name. Amen

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Feb. 11, 2019: Peter Forsberg and Claude Lemieux

31 Thoughts: The Podcast

34:45 min | 2 years ago

Feb. 11, 2019: Peter Forsberg and Claude Lemieux

"Okay. I'll I'm reading. Here we go coming down in three to an. Elliot normally on Mondays when we release this podcast. It is you and I talking to one hockey person sometimes coach sometimes a player today, a special treat talking to to former NHL others both have enjoyed success at the highest in the NHL, namely the Stanley Cup, the Hockey Hall of fame, the concept trophy and for the purposes of this podcast. It is the coming together of two former teammates in a business venture and Jeff has nerd out. Peter Forsberg, dude. Peter Forsberg include them you on the podcast this morning. Welcome to its will. Let Clode make the announcement here in a couple of seconds. But when I say, the names clothing MU and Peter Forsberg to me, toughness, grit, all those old school terms that get thrown around rightly apply to those types of players and winners and success. And these were players that on the ice can talk about off the ice after on the ice. Didn't allow anything to get in their way, they went generally through its if they couldn't go through it. They went around it. Elliott's mostly through it that made it so good hockey was so much fun than it's still fun. It's just different kinds of fun. It's one of the topics when you think about community think of before his break, what do you think of right away for each? Look they wanna live and at the end of the day. That's what you think of the most is winning because that's what it's all about. And they want. And with that we'll bring them on. And we'll do a little rap at the end and share some of our thoughts. In the meantime, here they are with their announcement Claude Lemieux and Peter Forsberg on thirty one thoughts the podcast brought to you by the next generation GMC Sierra then out. Flyers are pleased to select from modo Sweden. Peter forsberg. Here's Forsberg in behind the Gulf wars. Rick skill up with Forsberg stumbled keeps it in. And here he goes Forsberg. Teas. Tease weights ticks. The side of the net bodies all over the place here. You right up one of the bar. Look like a harmless way behind the net, and stuck it up over the souls. Of you both. Long overdue. They find you. He's been ready for this round behind gabled. Gabled Trump of the long to the corner. But with it is let me you can't get it back. Stephen. Clay. When I sold. Hey, look. A racist. What play by Peter Forsberg? Elliot, it is seldom that we get to be joined by a Stanley Cup winner. It is even more rare to be joined by former NHL or Stanley Cup winners Kansai trophy winners Hockey Hall of famers, all of the same time, and we have two very distinguished hockey people with us one is closed them. You, of course, former NHL or multiple Stanley Cup winner in the president of four sports hockey is joining joining us in Los Angeles and Peter Forsberg the legend is on the line as well legendary Swedish hockey player winner of the trophy Stanley Cup winner as well. And a member of the Hockey Hall of fame, gentlemen. First of all thank you for. Joining us include the reason, we have both you gentlemen, on the show today is there is an announcement to be made. And with that will hand the recreation over to you to make it cloud. What is the news? Well, I'm really excited to be reunited with an old friend and former teammates I've been with four sports and entertainment now for almost ten years and been in the business of representing players. So we have a an ice business growing with representing young players older players throughout the not just North America. But all the different leagues around the world and teeters joining us as an investor in an equity partner in our company, and I couldn't be happier. It was done sort of little bit behind the scene. Peter moved to Switzerland not too long ago and got connected with my my partners. And they started talking about this potential venture. And just as excited as I was to define with Peter Forsberg in nineteen ninety five. I got traded to Colorado. I'm just as excited. And in this new venture with Peter. And I know what hockey means to him than how fortunate we are to have Peter your thoughts. Of course, I'm excited. You know, I moved down to Twitter land for half a year ago. And we started talking with Daniela, and it was oppressive down in the European division there. And you know, I always wanted to be close not always that would say, you know, for while there didn't really like watching hockey, but you know, one two years pass by is that retired. I really wanna be involved in. I think this is a great opportunity for me to be so close to hockey. I think it's a great distance opportunity. And and of course, I knew for sports before and the good reputation and the and plus, of course, I get to work with caught. Again, I think it was pretty good combo when we played together. And I think this might be even better. So I'm really excited to be part of the family and then be close to hockey again. Wait, wait, wait a second. You said something there Peter that released it out to me for a while. You didn't wanna watch hockey? What's the story there? No, I think I would just fed up with hockey there. I I can they're retired. You know? What would I say? You know, I was I was struggling Indian by curious what hockey was back and forth injuries here and there and just wanted to be that close anymore was in sports. I would watching more soccer football and all other sports. But after a while, I you know, I start washing it, more and more. And then really enjoy watch it from the side now before maybe it was because I wanted to be on the ice. And I couldn't be there. So not as I got the perspective that I'm way too old. So. Never ever chance to get on the ice again. So I think it's just more relaxing hitting watch. And enjoy the great players out there, and then what to do on the ice. And so I think that's could be that was maybe in the beginning. They're premium about being on the ice. We just couldn't be there. So when we spoke about this in the last couple of days, you had a great story about a game. You played with Peter where you weren't feeling it in the warm up. Can you share that story about having Peter is your linemate? Well, I mean, a lot of games I didn't feel right than the warm up, but in that particular game and this came up when we were talking about memories of being with Peter and how good a player he was. And I remember Peter we were playing in Washington, and I just felt sick. I didn't feel right in the warm up. It was always tough building play in so dark, and they didn't drum any fans back then. And and I shared we that I wasn't feeling right and joking. He's just said put your stick down. I'll find you after the first period after the for fear that scored a hat trick. So does this says it all about Peter four and a how gifted he was not just an amazing player. But then amazing young person that he was when we first met, and there's always been a dear friend, even though we sorta don't stay in touch as much as we should. Because of our different lifestyle and and the time zones, and how far we live from one another. But. Yeah. I'm really excited. Okay. So I have to be honest here. Those really excited to hear about this announcement the pairing of two former Avs to former teammates coming together for four sports, and that's wonderful. And when Elliot said, hey, we have a chance to talk to him you and Peter Forsberg at the same time. It said I'm going to be completely selfish because there's one thing. Peter Forsberg that I've always wanted to ask you always said to myself ever good chance to talk to Forsberg. It's going to be one of my first questions. So here goes the move in the NHL that we now know as the Forsberg UC oaken did at the time we all the time Alex bar cough. Does it you're the first one to to popularize the move, of course, against Corey Hirsch. We call it the postage stamp move or the Forsberg I go back in goal. Referee is lined up to long with the. Linesman force. Verve now fours verb on the forehead force Berg that was sweet. Uh-huh. This is that was just like an MBA slam dunk competition. What of move their heated out in practice or in a regular season game? He'd have somebody coming out and chopping in for that one. He got away with it. What a move by this kid watch going into goal forehand-backhand. What's he gonna do? Keep it on the backhand with one hand on my stick, Wayne and simple. Right wave fours. Berg, I did everything he could do to stay with them. The first time I ever saw that was nineteen eighty nine world championships. And it was Kent Nilsson doing that on a breakway against John Vanbiesbrouck of the United States. When did you first see that move? Now, of course, I thought the same time as it was in the globe and in the Swedish new arena back in the world championship. And he's scored I think it ended up support to goal there. And it was really nice moving. And and then after that all the I mean, a few sweets tried it here, and there, you know, practices. And of course, I was one of them. I was young. I was of course, kept the head of an idol for me. And so I started doing it in the practice. I did it in the Swedish illegally too. But then I missed it. I hate the post so I try to deport and then in the Olympic final there. I was watching Corey how for he came out. And and I thought you know, to be honest and quoting those two I was not good at breakaways. So I only had like two moves. It was you know, try to get five hole. And then and that one's so and I scored into round-robin they're five hole. So had nothing left. So I figure is what I to do with Matt. It was quite a lot. I kinda have nothing else to do. But I thought the first time that's your question the death. That was Milton. Did it the first time? And and to be honest the way he did. It was nice that mind, but it ended up the Michael might be more important than his. But I stole his move. Yes. Quote, compare Peter in and Joe sack as players and people well as people I would say similar personalities bowed, quiet leaders to guys that been say a whole lot in the locker room. They just showed up and played every night. Joey was more of a shooter Joey loved the half while walk in and shoot. Peter's always looking for past. And he was so unselfish in that regard. So it was a dream player to play with. I mean, I was so fortunate to play with both those guys and sometimes be on the ice with both of them the break so very committed. You know, Joey was more fortunate than had as many injuries. Fortunately, I think Peter would have played another four or five years if he in run into all these injuries at towards the end of his career, but my wife, always blamed the always said, you have such a horrible influence on Peter. Look what he does after the whistle. And how. I always said we'll take that inventory on. I know this kid and that was born in Peter Forsberg had had played with more of an edge than Joe did Joe is alternate sneaky player. You know, keep it quiet, and he he'd have three goes to assist. Peter could have a great game. We'd be up by two need run. You know, federal over. And there we go comes McCurdy and all those guys that'd be what are you thinking? But that's if I didn't start it. So we were quite a combo, and it was the best type two three players. I got the chance to play with. And when you're speaking of move, one of Peter's signature move was the wrap around had such an impact as on my son Peters left ended shot. And I'm a righty and my son Brendan the place for Winnipeg is lefty as a youngster he'd keep watching Peter state and try to. Wrap around and try to wrap around and trust on. And I always said, why would you work on something? You're never gonna use ever. She played the NHL. Well, he scored two in the last two weeks on the repor. I was definitely wrong. Peter, please tell me as part of this. There's going to be a time or you and Joe sack the GM of the avalanche. Now sit down at a table and the Goshi to contract had to head. It'd be Larry's actually if I get to do that the other side with Joe, you know, I was I was fortunate. I could play with him so long, and then the, you know, we got along great. So it would be pretty cool to have a purse argument with Joe is the friends for twenty years. So kind of important to see how Joe is when he gets mad really that. That'd be great the regrets to watch that. I think. Yeah. Will be great. You know, if it can help Colorado get some good players, you know, as good on the need to win some games here. So no, Joe has been it would be great. You know, what happens when you win the Cup for two with the with players, and and French, you know, you'll always have a bond for the kind of the rest of your life. Every time the first time and see them for for a long time. And then you feel like, you know, you still have that connection because he is something happened. When you win the Cup with somebody. You always smile is always something you look back to and you remember the days on new stood there and and rights to come together. So even argue about a contract with Joe or whatever it is. It's got things can be kinda funny. Mentioned a second ago you played with an edge. And anyone that watched you play hockey knows that you know, at your time. One of if not perhaps the best power forward in the game was Peter Forsberg from Sweden. It's one thing to be physical without the park. We've seen that separate the man from the park run at a guy separate the man from the park. But the one thing that always impressed me about you is how physical you were when you had the puck on your stick players. Always talk about the Peter Forsberg cold shoulder, you have the puck and through that little bump back move. And you you knock off the the four checker trying to get the puck off of you was that always something that was part of your game growing up that type of physicality not without the park. But even with the park on your stick really it ought I grew up. I was very small didn't have really have the physical ability to run the people. I think it happened. When I was seventeen eighteen I started growing a lot. I like four times a day. And I think that got the physical element to just a. That move hitting when you have the puck and the little sneaky, you know, I in the world juniors and Sweden actually goes rushing guy. And he absolutely murdered me. But if they like that I'm like, what did he do that work? So I actually I stole that from a Russian, dude. I don't think he even knew he lost his stick. And I think that's why is trying to hit me before. So I think it's just came up with that movie afterwards. But I see a lot of people try to do it now. And you know, I think I was I was very sneaky with it. You have to be sneaking. So you have to pretend. Nobody's you're not looking annoys common, and you could hit him. That's when it works. But but it definitely a love the coat hurt. Joe set that Pete it in relive only try to run people with didn't have the puck. He was trying to run people when he had the puck. Minnesota's gonna funny. Funny thing. But but but back to you know, clog when I plan to Claude you know, it didn't matter what did on the ice. You know, everybody hated club more than me. So was going after him could do whatever I want the ice. So it worked out. But when I came in the league to I've got to play, Chris, I'm the big boys over Nolan, so I think I got into league maybe lose too easy 'cause nobody would touch me. I was just got to do whatever. I wanna I was like no nobody's gonna hurt me. So and then my plaid we've caught and Valerie I think nobody could actually catch. I think we're pretty decent line there. And we didn't really get into the much Cisco. It was just we were use good and oils played in defensive zone and internet time to battled that much. I think you know, two games with Detroit. But on that, I think we try to stay away from the really bad stuff. Well, I mean, the thing is it was such a different league, then and you know, I'm just wondering the two of you guys. There's one player now who said to me he said that it's almost easier on your body because the physicality. In the playoffs against tuned up. And they're certain rivalries are tough. But they sentence in some ways it's easier on your body than it was when the two of you guys played would you agree or disagree with that? I would agree with that. Actually. I think it's it's more headache. You know mean concussions him and did a little faster. But just overall, I think. Time you wrestling in and it was pretty greedy thirty back then to you know, for member one year in the playoff to play against Chicago tutor Chellios Picone e these Smith, I mean. This is hurt to get on the and. And I think he was I think it was a little tougher than they got away with a lot of stuff on referee and all that, but they're faster now days, and they hit harder when they hit if you don't see it and so- concussion wise more concussions 'cause dispatched about it. Just overall. I think it the wear and tear on the body was more back in the days. If you could compare the game in North America to the game in Europe right now, are they more similar or different than they've ever been? Is there still that distinct style from one to the other from America Europe? We have the big is back in Europe here, especially in the tweets league and hard to compare Swedish. They get so many Swedish players to place in K chill in Twitter lem, and then NHL so skill wise bigger difference. I would say not too many in the Swedish leaks like before. I think they were better players back in the days, but there quicker. I mean, they're better shape their escape faster. But you don't see that many and to end goals and fantastic place. But, but if you compare it to the style, I think I watched him detail against I watch a lot of it. I think it's great hockey nowadays a lot of goals past great players initially or you're playing the European sizes. These little too slow. I think in more and more over here. I think would love to have the small there is what happens for it's more. But it was saying this was we just league it's more. You have to them and defense. And I think it's in a shell right now. I think it's fun to watch. It's happens to something every shift, and it's kind of slow occasionally in the in the European hockey. I would say I want to ask a little bit of a business. We were actually supposed to let everybody know this. We were supposed to tape this podcast on Tuesday at the very moment. We started Austin Matthew signs, we had a board for a day Clode, you know, this business really well that contract what is that going to do to the business of the National Hockey League? Look, we never know the wise in how the deal gets done unless you're on the inside. So we, unfortunately, don't represent us them. And we don't know what drove both parties to come to agreement on a five year deal. But it's changing it's changing everything it's opening up the door for players now to wanna find those shorter term deals at a number that you would think unless you're signing for max year length turn deal. You're you're not getting that number. So it's an interesting time. I think that it was probably a lot of giving fake. Who knows? I I would hate to speculate on why they didn't lock him up for longer and what got in the way of that. But I also believe that would a player like Austin. And I know that kid really. Well, because I coached in and I knew him when he was a young boy playing their own ah. He's loyal kind of kid. I think has the, you know, five years goes by real quickly. He's gonna most likely want to remain and be a lease for the rest of this career. If it makes sense knowing what I know of that person. So yeah, they got done. I think it's it's great for hockey. He's a spectacular player. I think at least firms deserve to know ahead of time. And now they gotta take care of business with more spectacular with their and Peter. I just want to ask you last year agent. When you played was one of the true gentlemen of the game. Members of Don Baizley, you know, now that you're going into this side, one of the lessons that you learned from him and the things that he taught you that you're going to try to bring into it. While I don't think it's not too many that can be like Dom basely. He was kind. You know, I was I was I think I remember signing ten million dollar deal. And you know, our GM came out and said, you know, you have the best agent. You know, he's he's classy guy and refigure. He was so mad tiny as you know. Was the contract but the on most he's history true gentleman. And then he old he had all the facts, he knew everything going into the negotiations than he was you can go shit different ways. You can get upset yell and scream, but he would never raise his sports. He was very down to the bills, and knowing the business and treating the other side respect, I think that gets you maybe the long, you know, in the long run, I think that's going to help an a, you know, I always looked up to him. And I would never argue with him anything with my goodness. Oh, she's talks either to 'cause I knew he was going to take care of it. But just to be a if you're gonna stay in the business and do great. I think and be like everywhere, I think you have to be came just class all over when I had. And I think that's everybody run hockey new like that too. So, but it comes down to if you go to be like that you have to know your details. You have to know your facts and everything and when you go to go. Table, you gotta know everything. Otherwise, it's going to be a maybe hectic, but overall the classics and from the media point of view as well couldn't agree more. He was the first class gentlemen to to deal with N. He is greatly except he only returned phone calls when he wanted to. There was a lot of time never say, no comment. Teaching Elliott Baizley was fatigue. Listen, we'll let you go on that Clode and Peter congratulations of the coming together in business of two former teammates in the NHL. We wish you all the success with four sports hockey. Thank you. Thirty one thoughts is brought to you by the next generation GMC Sierra Denali complete with the world's first six function multi-proposal gate net. Sliding around on the way to pawn hockey use the built-in load stop to help keep them in place. Loading what seems like half a teams worth of bags the tailgate? Also turns into a step for easier access and has an inner gate that flips down for unloading, all the gear you can fit GMC. Sierra Denali, we are professional grade. You were right off the top of the show total geek out moments for me. My first time ever talking to Peter Forsberg. I was a huge fan. He trying to let the fan bleed into the professional when you're in this side of the industry, but I was a huge Peter Forsberg fan. So I am a huge Peter Forsberg fan loved watching that guy play hockey for a number of reasons. One of which and I'll go back to something you said on last week's podcast, and you're a big bore you saw Ming Finn and for the longest time. What did we hear about Swedish hockey players to Saad can't play in the NHL? I love the fact that for a period of time as the peak performer Peter Forsberg was the premier power forward in the NHL as a Swede completely broke the mold and broke the stereotype of mini Swedish hockey players previous to him. You know what I loved about? The interview me is that while side from yourself is that he knew exactly the play you were talking about with Kenya. Elson eligible championship. Look, I think I know something about hockey, you really know a lot about hockey. I think your knowledge of older stuff and things that happened is much cheaper than mine. Everybody knows but still, but I I like I everybody just knows different things. Yeah. But I'm off some of the stuff you remember, you know, for example, and we had Longo and you ask moorings, and he looked at you like, you're nuts. And like, we we all have lists. You know, exactly. Like my whole career. I've tried to ask different questions ninety percent of the time. It's worked but ten percent of the time it is really gone badly. And when it goes badly it goes badly. That's great. I love it. Now, you know. So you asked that question Longo, and he looks at you like, you're nuts. But you say that the fours Berg, and he like that is a v neck homerun because he connects on your fastball. And he knows exactly what you're talking about any goes right off at that. For me was excellent. I mean, I was blown away at the beginning when you see in watch hockey for a while. Right. But I thought that moment where he knew exactly the Kent meals and move. You were talking about was outstanding. See I loved Forsberg for number. I even loved Forsberg at the end, you know, when everybody was saying, you know, Peter wrap it up trying to find different boots because it had the the foot issue and couldn't find the right boot to to keep his career going. And there was a whole bunch of you know, you're ruining your. Reputation and leave the stage while they're still clapping. And no, no, no, I loved Peter Forsberg for the fact that they had to drag him off the ice. He was going to find a way to play if he could he had to be dragged kicking and screaming off the ice. We always talk about perseverance and never quitting and never giving up. And that's what he did. He wasn't there to make a couple of extra million dollars squeeze every last dime out of the NHL. He was there because he wanted to continue to compete, and it wasn't out of his system yet. I thought we applauded that. But when it comes to older players, we want to get them off the stage as quickly as possible and focus on the younger guys. That's what I love the boat fours Berg as long as someone's paying una keep doing this as long as there's a job for me. I'm gonna keep trying to have to throw me out. Love it love that about four. Bor I flew. I think that's the way you want everyone to be right. You want people who will need to be dragged away. Because those are the people that you win with. There was a lot in that interview. I was I was really interested in. I I was really interested in hearing them talk about sack. I was really interested in hearing fours. Berg talk about how at the world juniors. It was a Russian player who taught him that cold move. You know, those guys were good talkers that gets I hope people enjoy it. I enjoyed the twenty two minutes we spent with them. How do you find that industry that they're now co venturing in and of course, you know, it's for his they have a bunch of hampers Lynn home, Freddie, Anders to mow Meyer, human mind. He's phasers. Do it's a tough industry. What are they waiting into together? Here. Close been there for a while. So you know, he already knows. It was interesting. I thought when I asked the Forsberg about talking to sack he might just say, well, I'm not gonna do any negotiations. But he kinda liked that, you know, he didn't run away from it aging is is a tough tough business. It is a really hard business. There are higher awards, but there's a lot of grinding. You are really grinding all the time ADA fine players and be once you find player. To keep players because it's a business where people say, hey, I can do a better job for you than this guy. Can and you've got to protect your interests. You've got a guard your guys, it's it's a really really hard business. But when you have someone like Liew someone like four's Burton recruiting becomes less of an issue because in some ways, you don't have to sell yourself as much you go through phases. Right. Sometimes you're the hot guy or the hot agency. And sometimes you're not and the people who are at the top of that business. You earn it? Nobody flukes into being the top agent or one of the top agents and sports, you earn. It you're constantly battling. Like, there's very few quiet days. There's always an issue. There's always something. And I'll tell you. There was this contract I found out about and I called the. Agent and the agent kinda lied and it got out, and I didn't get the story. I and I I was mad and we didn't talk for a while. And finally, he he called to break the ice. And you know, I just said the allied, and that's that's the end of that. And he just said, well, I get that. But you have to understand that my first responsibility is my client is good as relationship is, you know, your secondary. Because first of all you're going through the conflict of negotiating that contract. Then you have to be careful what you say about it. And then you think that's over. But there's the next one. And then there's not even the stuff that we talk about contract negotiating it's it's a player. They've gotta move or something's happening in their family. Or the parents are unhappy with the job you're doing. You're not always available. It's a lot of maintenance in conflict. It's not an easy job. We've talked about lying before on this podcast. It's a fascinating topic in the industry. Do you think that from? That part of the industry's point of view. Depending on the situation and the relationship that lying is almost a necessary requirement. I mean, I know what happens, and there's a lot of people I deal with now who it's it's almost like they won't answer the question, or they'll say, you know, you don't I can't answer that question is you round longer and you get to know people that's kind of the weight evolves. Like there was a GM last year. I text them. I said look I need to ask you a question. He goes, what is it Santa by tax Nagoya? Okay. I'm hearing this guy is available. And he says, I don't know how it benefits me to answer that question, and I'm like, okay. And he wrote back now, I'm not telling you. Yes, or no. I just don't know how it benefits me to answer that question. And that answer I've always understood Forsberg in Lemieux together as partners in this industry because he always look for when you know. Someone else a new interest. The marketplace is there and inefficiency somewhere. Is there a hole somewhere? There's somewhere obvious for you Europeans under represent-. I don't know. Is there a hole that these two is a pair can fill or you just yourself. There's more jobs in ever for hockey players. There's another team seem coming so get on board and force bird's name if he wants to do it. And obviously, he's you know, as you heard in the interviews been looking for things to do. And I think he's always been really smart financially. I think he's a very bright guy. It's another name that adds into it. And that will be a draw simply because of who he is the good thing about all of it is said Peter Forsberg back in hockey. And that you got to talk to him. How cool is that? Sorry. If I get that a little bit there folks wrong with that Friday, huge StrataCom down for the next interview. We'll wrap on that. Thanks much for joining us on the podcast, another one. Coming up a little bit later on this week. Oh, conduct yourselves accordingly with aggressive your day.

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Pelvic Floor Therapy  Michele Forsberg, PT

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Pelvic Floor Therapy Michele Forsberg, PT

"You are listening to episode one zero to get boxy show. Hello and welcome to the gap foxy show with natural beauty expert. Teri fox where we talk alternative health natural beauty and passionate alot. Here we are once again. It's the get foxy show. My name is terry fox. I am the executive producer and host here at the get boxy. Show also an aesthetic facial acupuncture expert and welcome. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you for tuning in. This is my opportunity to bring you some of the best experts in holistic health natural beauty and passionate living so that you can tap into your innate femininity and cultivate that unique personal power that i call your inner fox. 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And i drink it not only for the taste but also the health benefits now owner james fama source some amazing tasty premium loose leaf teas from all over the planet. And when you use the code debt foxy twenty twenty one at checkout. You get ten percent off your purchase and some of the best t- that nature can offer so do me a favor and head on over to enlight t dot com and make sure you use the code get foxy twenty twenty one. You'll be glad you did. Today's guest michelle forsberg. Michelle specializes in working with women who struggle with various conditions involving pelvic and abdominal dysfunction. As well as pain and trauma with those areas she you rebels in helping patients connect with their bodies and start enjoying life again. She's highly sought out by local patients as well as out of state and international clients for click whole body hands on approach. She's been a licensed physical therapist for over twenty years and comes from a professional dance background where her love for movement body began. Michelle started a line. P. t. in longmont colorado in two thousand twelve and she's the founder of feminine energy which is a program for women's empowerment and pelvic health education. And i am excited to have her on the show today days guest michelle forsberg michelle. Thank you so much for taking the time to be with us today. You are one heck of an expert when it comes to physical therapy and pelvic floor work and feminine energy. So i'd love to talk to you a little bit about that today. What got you into physical therapy and pelvic floor work. Spa kind of a long journey I was a dancer in my past life. And i rented warming arts slow and then moved to manhattan to pursue my dance career and it just my life has just been as evolution of you know following my instincts to move to the next level so i got back from on a cruise ship and started working out in a gym and then i couldn't afford to renew my membership and so somebody said hey. You can teach aerobics and get your membership for free. So i went down the fitness path. And then you know. It that turned into personal training. And then i worked for women who had a personal training company. And she's you would be a really great physical therapists and i was just like i'm dancer. I'm a creative person i. I didn't do well in science in school and you know physics and chemistry and But i actually excelled in that found that you know once you learn that you really want to do something you know you can. You can go ahead and excel in that. So i ended up going back to school for physical therapy and So as i was working with my clients. I had a physical therapy and personal training practice in new york city where i would go to people's homes and some of my clients a were diagnosed with cancer and so i needed to learn how to do some more palliative work and gentle work and exercise and stuff like that so i started getting into cranial sacral work and that kind of led me down the path of holistic kind of looking at the whole picture and i just love that work and so was just kind of a journey from their of continuing my you know continuing education and such i love cranial psychotherapy. That's something i also practices. Well it's just so gentle and yet can have such a profound effect on releasing restrictions in the body. It's such good stuff. Yes very much. So so when it comes to the pelvic floor work. I i guess we should probably define what. What does that mean. Pelvic pelvic pelvic work pelvic therapy right so one thing. I want to clarify that. I do say that. I'm a pelvic specialist a pelvic therapist. But i really look at the whole body so there i've been to and i've talked to other physical therapists. That specializes in pelvic floor. But they don't have the training of they don't have the cranial training. They don't have the whole body outlook and so that's really more what my specialty is. And so i started to specialize more in people that have visceral adhesions in their pelvic floor in their abdomen. And like women that have had Infertility blocked philippine tubes. Chronic digestive issues like cbo or people with crohn's disease and small bowel obstruction kind of things like that and so in order to really restrict Free those restrictions. You kind have to look at the whole picture because the fassel connective tissue in the shot is all part of the whole picture. So you can't just focus on one area. The you know the the the diaphragm the head the cranium. Everything is connected so i have to look at the whole picture. Some kind of clarifying on that but to answer your question public floor work is specifically looking at the structure and the function of the pelvic floor and helping people that have bladder bladder dysfunction Infertility bowel issues conditions. Like that. so we're looking at the muscles in the organs of the pelvic region so to speak and so muscular weakness or that kind of thing that makes sense. Yes that makes sense to me. This is something that seems to be. Fairly common in women is especially. I mean. i've seen it in in women after childbirth I know. I know my wife has had some issues with that as well My mother i believe has had some issues. I it seems more common than what people really think it is is. That is that the case totally the case very much so especially after childbirth. Think there is. It's like Especially as we get older those pelvic isues can become worse. You may not know that you have something going on like you know you. Brush it off as like leaking a little when i run to the bathroom. Or but if you don't address it that that can cascade into a whole host of other deeper issues like prolapse and things like that so yes it's very very common and women tend to not seek care and help for themselves because i think honestly were out there trying to take care of everybody else in be superman super wife super entrepreneur that we're not taking care of our bodies and we're not seeking help for it and there's also a shame factor right so lots of stigma around you know not addressing those issues you know. How do you go about helping your patients deal with those kinds of issues with the shame. And all of that. With with the shame with the stigma how how weights that. Yeah well so. When i'm it's very interesting when i'm in a session with someone and you're working on their pelvic floor you know it's very becomes very intimate and so a lot of feelings. Come up around the topic and they start You know there may be some emotional trauma or something that comes up to the surface. They start crying and they start sharing the way they feel about it so i helped them with breathing techniques and And just kind of talking through it but one of the things that i did because of the situation is that i developed a program feminine energy program that helps women to really connect with their feelings around the matter so it's it's a comprehensive journey of learning about their alignment in their bodies and how their bodies work but also the mindset that needs to change in order to have lasting changes with the body right. So you can't separate body and mind and so when women come to me often. I've had women come to me for intensive work like they've come to me for twenty hours a week and i really get to know them in those sessions and they have really great results but in order for them to have the lasting results. The changes like so that those things don't come back. They need to learn more how their bodies function and why this is happening and how they can like little tools that they can incorporate into their daily life into their daily practice so that they're not feeling bad about themselves because that That sense of of disconnect. When when women have these issues they become disconnected. Load about a lot of times. That's one of the main complaints that i hear from patients is that i don't feel like this body belongs to me anymore. It's been through trauma or it's it's hurts too much and then you start to ignore it and it gets into this succession of events that you're just ignoring yourself. You're not taking care of yourself. You're ignoring your body. You're starting to feel bad about yourself and then that impacts your relationships with your husband or your partner or your your your life your career you just you just don't feel your light goes dim in so to speak right you just kind of start playing small and so i feel like women need so much more than what can i do in a one to one session. If that makes sense you bet. I you fully one hundred percent. I see this a lot in in my own clinic where women are so disconnected from their own bodies. And i i liken it to I this is the analogy. I use with my patients. I say okay. This is this is like going into your home and having your tv up at full volume earned to nothing but static you know. That's that's the problem and when you first encounter the problem. Yeah it'll annoy the crap out of you but then you start getting used to it and eventually you just start tuning it out pretty soon. You don't even you don't even notice it anymore until you have your friends come over to your house. And they're like why. Why is your tv so jacked up. Why is it so messed up in here and then you become aware of it again. And that's that's what. Our job is as healthcare. Practitioners is helping our patients tune back in to their body so that they can take care of the problem. So you can go. Okay oh yeah martinez jacked up. Let's let's see what i can do about that right. That's that analogy back to the interview in just a moment. But first i'd like to share a little bit about the prosperity breakthrough system. This is a program created by my mentor and friend way hung. And it's been helping me repair my relationship with money and prosperity see. I grew up learning certain things about money and people who had money and most of these ideas were what we call bad stories this faulty programming and my brain. 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And my marriage began to crumble in twenty fifteen. I desperately turned to a relationship coach. Her name is joanna shocked and she taught me how to better relate to myself and to my beloved wife. now my son's cancer-free more prey stays that way and emily and i are still married. We beat the statistics. And i credit the grace of god and joanna's ecstatic intimacy program for that. So if you want to improve the level of your dating relating like i did click on the ecstatic intimacy icon on the get fox. You show homepage for your free intimacy jumpstart kit. You'll be glad you did. And so what does one do to help. Pro first off prevent pelvic floor issues. Is there anything we can prevent those things from happening well so public flora issues. There's such a broad scope of things that you can. I mean if you're talking about bladder issues thing you know there are lots of dietary bladder that could be causing the bladder to be over active like dairy and caffeine. All the things we love like alcohol caffeine Dairy products tomato products. Things like that right not not doing justin cases. So you when you're going on a trip and you're like i need to use the bathroom just in case. That's the bladder to empty. When it's not full so that can really with the public floor and the bladder and all that stuff movement you know. Moving the pelvis one of the things that i love to do. Because i was a dancer. I love teaching women how to move their pelvis. Because i think a lot of times especially when we been disconnected down below wiki. We have a hard time actually moving our hips so just kind of dancing and having fun and getting some moving into their or yoga or stretching that kind of thing posture alignment sitting up tall. On your sny. Everybody when i talk about this Sitting up on your sip phones rather than tucking your tail and sitting back on your sarum. Those are some things that Are very helpful. In keeping the pelvic for from becoming the organs becoming compressed and be the muscles becoming too tense and all that stuff right. So it's there's lots of different things avoiding constipation. what else i think. That's pretty much covers quite a bit of it. sounds fantastic. Yeah i'm i'm right there with you with getting your body moving in in chinese medicine we say where there's no flow there tends to be paying and so if you can get that body flowing and moving. Then there's there's less issues there were the the other analogy is energy follows intention or or where the wind goes the chief flows and so if we can start bringing our mind and our attention back to those areas then we start seeing circulation in those areas. Exactly i we do that a lot in my program with my patients. I have a lot of intentional breathing into the public floor. And actually visualizing the pelvic organs and just kind of create being creative with visualizing things that we enjoy in the area rather than pain and dysfunction so kind of painting a landscape around the pelvic floor rather than thinking of it as something that is causing pain or dysfunction or problems. What does that mean specifically breathing into the pelvic floor. Yeah so you can just kind of send your breath to the public floor. So hold your hands on your bones and close your eyes and just inhale and Visualize the pelvic bones expanding on the inhale and then as they as you exhale. They come closer together. So just kind of feeling that motion in that container of your pelvis. You can also do that with the abdomen in the thoracic region as well. We do a lot of that breath. Work just kind of visualizing oftentimes when there's dysfunction or there's emotional holding in those areas it's hard to actually get the breath there because there's a holding pattern so when we start to work on releasing those holding patterns than people notice. Hey i can really feel that expansion in a public area. And it's a very functional thing as well because our core and pelvic floor connected and they work together so when you can actually get that happening than you can have more support around those organs and the muscles and all that stuff. So is this something with with your energy program. Is something veture sending patients home with homework. Is this something that they have to do in your office. What does this look like. So my in my office. I teach them these techniques but that created the program for when i'm teaching my clients these things. I can't go home with them. And so like when they're doing certain at home i can't see what they're doing so i created an online program. And it's it's a ten module program where it's a journey of learning the alignment of the pelvis and the whole body and then learning how each region worked separately but then incorporating them together. So i always tell people. Your pelvis doesn't work in isolation doesn't work by itself it relies on the diaphragm and the thoracic spine. It relies on your cranium. And your speech lloyd. Bond like people need to know how women need to know how their bodies work. You know. it doesn't have to be like they're not going. Ct school right there. They need to have a They need to have an awareness of how their bodies work so that they can understand what's happening when they're feeling pain or sensations so we take them through this journey through this ten week Ten module can be ten weeks or as long as they want they have lifetime access but we also do meditations we also do journaling and We have a weekly. Qna call where we talk and we work through things together the emotional components or if they're having issues with the alignment or with getting their muscles to work so we're we're learning mobility and flexibility in core strength and whole body. It's just really a transformational process. So i've had lots of women that come into it thinking that they're going to help themselves feel better in their bodies but have had people have career changes or big aha moments because they've realized that how this has been impacting the rest of their life. So it's really pretty profound in an amazing process so yes some giving them tools the really cool thing. Is that a lot of times. They'll say you know the other day. I felt like i had a little pain in my hip and i did. You know one of the things that we did in this module and it made me feel better. And that's so empowering to be able to know. hey. I've got these tools that if this doesn't feel right i can go and change that i can make it better and then i can go about my day. Not have it weigh me down. you know. That's huge huge stuff and can be absolutely life-changing totally you've got the tools and the awareness. I mean that's i think that's where it really starts like the gi joe cartoons in the eighties watch. They say you know now you know and knowing is half the battle right well once you have that awareness then you can tune in and then you can put the tools to use so it sounds to me like you've got one heck of program put together here that cultivates awareness and then gives the tools to be able to alleviate the issues absolutely. Yeah it's i am so honored to be able to work with these women because they're so they're so ready for for change and they're so ready to take it to the next level but they but women need support we need support of each other and that's part of the whole process is the community aspect of it is that we we all support each other and we hear each other's stories and to be honest. I have gone through a lot of this stuff myself that my patients have through. So they're healing me in the process which is quite lovely as well. So i'm giving them my expertise but they're giving me their support and their and their experiences and so it's just a really nice given take and how is. How is this community put together something like a facebook group or is it something. That's on your website specifically or how does how does that. We used to be an facebook. But now it's on mighty networks so i have a feminine energy mighty network so it's similar to facebook but is a little bit I like it better. It's cleaner platform in. It's more educationally geared so i have not heard of mighty networks so i'm gonna have to check that out. Yeah it's really it's really a i love it. It's a really great platform to switch gears a little bit. I'm going to ask you the question. I ask all my guests. Yes and that is what does foxy and being foxy to michelle. Yeah being foxy means that you're confident in your skin that you're you love the skin you're in and that that confidence is magnetic radiates to the people around you and so they're like hey she's she's got she's got it altogether but you're going to have to actually have it all together but you know what i mean like just confident magnetic Loving who you are being authentically who you are and not afraid to show who you are. Who would you say foxy in your world at the moment. i think i'm foxy. That's one of the things that we talk about in my feminine energy program is up. Women have a really hard time saying good things about themselves right. So i'm gonna be a role model with that like i think i'm foxy gosh darn it and i want you to feel foxy too. So yeah there's a lot of foxy women out there but Yeah i feel like i'm foxy. I would certainly agree. I tried to bring on these foxy or at least i i get that foxy vibe from from my guests i mean even even the guys bring on what would be one piece of advice on how to maintain your fox. You know because i get the feeling. There's there's been times in your life where you haven't felt so foxy so how'd how'd you reclaim that and maintain it. That's a good question. You know it's The foxy factor definitely goes up and down depending on the day. And i think just kind of having compassion for yourself and realizing that you don't have to be one hundred percent foxy every day every minute of every day you can You can you can acknowledge that you have days where you're you're foxy factor is a little bit lower but if you want to raise it up like i said i think for me you have to vote for me. It would be movement and dance like just put on some music and dance. Dance your sexy dance or like you know. Do your sexy walk but But i think it's gotta be something that resonates with you the individuals so whatever it is that rings that factor up like whether it's going out in nature Or you know breathing. Meditating whatever it is that brings that factor up for you incorporate more of that into your day or at least like five minutes. Give yourself five minutes and just you know. Breathe into your public floor or you know meditate or dance or do something that's gonna make you feel connected to your body because i think that's the key is is connecting to your body and being whole i get the feeling that you've seen some amazing transformations in your program. Would you be willing to share one of those stories. Yeah i think I had one woman that came to me who she was she came. She did the program because she wanted to get pregnant and so she felt like it would be a good time for her to really get to know about her pelvic floor about childbirth and all that stuff and she didn't realize that she was starting she got to know herself better during the program and so she realized that the career she was in was not really resonating with her authenticity and she felt like she could do more like she had more gifts inside of her that she wasn't aware of and so she just did a whole turnaround with her career to do something that she really loved and felt like she was really sharing. Her gifts doesn't make sense. Yes i think. I think a what happens when we cut ourselves off from our bodies is that We kind of lose a sense of who really are you know especially if you've had children this is what happened to me. I you know. The first couple of i had a c. section and i had scar tissue in my public for and i had pain with intercourse and i went to a few doctors and this was before i actually was upheld pt. I didn't even do this kind of work. And i was looking for answers and you know the doctors i saw were lake while you just have to get back on the horse. You're just giving me bad advice. And so i threw myself into my daughter and everything was about her. Because i was raised with this whole philosophy of like the your kids come first and so i've kind of put myself last and i didn't really get the help i needed. And so my relationship and my my sex life was suffering and it just kind of cascaded And then you know. I just really. Didn't i start. People would ask me like what do you really want in your life or or what are your desires like. What like what desires. What you just kind of lose that sense of who you are and so when you wake that area up again and you start you start to your libido gets improved and you know there's more blood flow to the pelvic area things start to happen and you start to realize. Hey there's more to life than just you know my role as a mom. I love my daughter. Don't get me wrong. I just i love being a mom but that's not only who i am. There's so much more to me. Than when i had before i had her right and so i forgot about who that was. And so this journey you know takes people into who they really are and what they really want and so. It's pretty profound. I think for women to feel that change. That's huge wide absolutely huge. And there's so that's such a deep subject. I get the feeling we could probably talk on that for for quite a while. How can people find more out about your program and your work. If they want to know more sure they can go to feminine energy dot net. That is my feminine energy program website. i also have a practice in longmont colorado. If anyone's local it's called the line. P. t. so it's a line. P. t. dot com and then my instagram handle is a feminine dot energy so fema n. dot energy so. Those are the three best ways to get in touch with me in. You can also once you're in the feminine energy website you can Find out about the free community so if you wanted to. If women wanted to join the free community they can join and we have all kinds of educational things Speakers experts and moon ceremonies and all kinds of womanly goodness excellent. Yeah i will make sure to have links to those spots on the on the internet. There through websites. And if i if can find the link i will get linked to your free community on the show notes as well and we'll make that happen. Okay great excellent. Our time is just about up here. Michelle to ask you. One last question is what would be the one piece of advice that you would give women to help them. Keep their pelvic floor. Healthy one piece of advice i would say. I think every woman should have pelvic floor session at least one section just to kind of if they haven't done it before. I think they should do that. Because it's a it's something that we all could benefit from and yeah that would be the one piece of advice decides the other ones that i gave earlier but you've piqued my curiosity so ask one more quick question. What would that look like. What would that look like. So it would entail Evaluation of what is going on. Structurally externally and then with permission of the patient. Doing internal vaginal release or erectile released depending on. What's what's going on and just kind of feeling How the muscular feels if it's tighter if it's week or and then doing some releases of the tissue that is to tighten in my experience a lot of people think they have weak pelvic floor muscles but it's really a lot of them are restricted and so they can't activate those muscles so getting some release of those tissue and some of them are truly week. But it's more rare in my in any situation that i've encountered that it's just completely week. It's a lot of times tightness in restrictions so getting those restrictions released an and learning how to activate the public for properly. And that right. There is empowering yes but literally. You're you're bringing power back to that area. Yes the bets big stuff. Yeah michelle thank you so much. This has been very educational. And i appreciate you an honor you for doing this. Great work. great service for the women on our planet. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. And i'm honored to be here. And what a great interview. I really hope that you learned as much as idea ed about this work. It's so specialized. I mean it's not something that a lot of physical therapists do and so man what great work bringing back your power getting back into who you are as a person and reconnecting with your body so that you can feel that foxing us that such good stuff so please do. Check out the links for the feminine energy program. I'll have that on the show notes and if you happen to be in the northern colorado area feel free to check michelle out at a line. Pt so until next time y'all take care of you stay foxy you've been listening to the get foxy show with natural beauty expert teri locks if you have questions comments or would like additional information about this episode checkout get foxy show dot com or interact with us directly on get foxy show facebook page. 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Because here we are this in the postseason it's opposed season. Without LeBron James. Should we be talking about current players what they're doing because no lebrons doing? It's not playing in the playoffs. And I looked down at the call list, and I see Keith from South Carolina and in the sluggish just LeBron overrated like we haven't even talked about LeBron now for the LeBron free show for sixty minutes, and I got Keith from South Carolina colon and insane LeBron's overrated. So he's going to be the first call here on the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio Radi. Scott filling in for Stephen joined the program, please join the conversation one eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six is the number because what I want to get into. Here's a bit of a hypothetical as we're coming off of. What we've seen in the postseason so far right game for Western Conference semi-final last night caliber of play caliber of players that so many people feel like is worthy of an NBA finals stage. I mean, you've got the warriors. And you've got the rockets, and I think that is the peg that is the the reason to have this conversation if you were redrafting the talent in the NBA right now, just a talent only draft. You're starting to franchise who you taken in your top five. I don't wanna go. I don't wanna go mount Rushmore and I want to run afoul of of the mount Rushmore crowd. I'm just saying like you take five here because I think one through four is pretty easy in some way, shape or form, but five gets real interesting. And I'll tell you what LeBron's not in the top four not not if you're building the franchise, right? If you're a you're looking five years down the road, LeBron's thirty nine now, we're we're we're not we're not talking about all in right this minute where you're sacrificing the future of your franchise. Like the Brian has asked Cavaliers to do. Ask the heat to do it. Asking the Lakers to do it. We're talking about building a team in redrafting the talent in the NBA go first of Janas Durant. Steph harden. Oh, man, why you guarantee me quite is going to play and not sit out a full season. I'll go and I'll listen perhaps Anthony Davis. We're five six deep LeBron's that on that list at least not here. So light me up. If you feel like that's a conversation. We're going to have on the Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio before we get out to the phones. Reminder, picking up the perfect mothers day bouquets, easy with one eight hundred flowers dot com right now. One eight hundred flowers will give you twenty four multicolored roses, plus a free base for only twenty nine ninety nine to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. So Keith in South Carolina, you called in before we even mentioned LeBron's name before this topic was even introduced it just as LeBron overrated. The go ahead Keith. Sorry about that. I actually saw Stephen ACL aluminum looking at it. Now if previously view, but I've been trying to reach their feel for months now, I'm lifelong Laker fan. And when the Ron Dane, I now if you come with relate this past five because of always thought the Broncos overrated, I'm not saying anything, he's not talented. You're not a great prayer. But not on Michael Jordan level. I've seen Jordan every almost everything Jordan his ever played. I'm Michael Jordan fan. I'm I love him. I think he's the greatest player ever. And there's no doubt in my mind. If he is pretty LeBron now on his level at all. And in this me sick when people compare him to Michael Jordan three and six in the finals. There's not compared to six to know with sixteen BT's. I'm sorry. It sounds like we could be really good friends Keith. And I think we should hang out more often because I'm with I'm with so much of what you're saying. So you cried hold on Laker fan. Lebron's coming and you cried. And these were not tears of joy these tiers of Ono. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no Ricard. Okay. Good seasons. Pay for instance. But what happened? You ran off the cold. It didn't make it feels like I told my wife I said the Lakers are not gonna make the playoffs. They're not. There's no way would run. And all that young talent. They got they're not gonna they're not gonna make the sales of the prime wants all to be about him. And he's gonna alienate everybody on that team. And he's gonna run off the codes. And you're gonna feel a whole lot of confusing on the lasers, and you know, there were bad before. But now, they're not gonna get any better with the von. And the best thing is and I hear Stephen any talking. I need praising the VAR and all this and all of that. It is crazy thing Nixon do right now. Trae Lamont at the best thing you can do. Yeah. And that's why I'm actually quit. And that creek because he realized efforts on this year play. I live mistake. I said in the all the height, I said in the all the, you know, prompt, lavar, no or the Varner great out. And I listened to all of media hype all the TV shows, and I on that. And didn't wanna look like a fool and made them look like a fool, and you saw that he thought he saw this year. The von is not the guy that I need on the team, and I see that. And that's I I wanted to get fisa roving until why did you getting past this year, you're bringing everybody else's separate Dane for the Lakers dismay? I think the injury. I think the injury will buy a little bit of goodwill. It'll buy you, you know. You know, sort of indoctrination process to the Western Conference, it'll buy you a little bit of. A little bit of time, quite frankly with the Lakers. But you know, I'm not going to go. So far say it's his fault. He got her to be thirty four thirty four and December he'll turn thirty five in this upcoming season. And I think the fact that he has to win right now. I mean, he is ring or bust if it is not a championship. It is not a successful season. And I think that fact and the fact that the ball has to go through him. And the reason being that, you know, it's the best way that he's been able to win in the past. I can't argue with his mindset, but it's not what you want. If you are building a team right now. So I remember I remember discussing camera. Remember show was on. But talking about what makes the most sense Lakers would never do it. But what makes the most sense is trading LeBron because he's a depreciating asset at this point of his career. He is no doubt a huge asset. And no doubt one that will bring in a ton of money. I mean, you look at the economic impact he's had wherever he's playing. I'm just talk about ticket sales. I'm talking about everything that goes into it in and around the organization city, and otherwise, you cannot doubt that you cannot doubt the good things that he does. But you also can't doubt the fact that he's never going to be as valuable today the rest of his career that his value is only going to go down. So if you cannot win a title with him and your goal is a system culture rebuild with your franchise. Yeah. Trading. And makes the most sense Lakers would never do it. They get killed. I'm not saying that's why Magic Johnson is gone. I think Magic Johnson's gone because the gig the job of being Magic Johnson. That's better gig than anything where you have to answer to a boss. Anything where you have to deal with rules and regulations within the NBA? Magic isn't the best Twitter. Follow in the world. I'm not saying he did it to be more free on Twitter and be able to reach out to guys and coach him up. I think he likes to be Magic Johnson. And I can't blame him for that at this point of his life. But listen, Keith, South Carolina. He knew the game plan here in the second hour of the Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio before we even laid it out. So we had to get to Keith I, but again, one of the things that we're talking about here is your top five in the NBA right now because it's tougher than you think and where does Ron fit into all of it. If you're drafting building a franchise you can get anybody in the league redraft where does the brand fit in because it's not south five. It's not. It's too much talent Janas has twenty four. Joel Embiid wouldn't even mention him. He's twenty five. Kevin durant? Still the best player on the planet. Just ask him James harden Steph curry, I'm taking all those guys ahead of LeBron just damn if you're building for the future in topic of one season, you're going ring chasing right now. I don't think you're gonna find anybody hunger hungrier than LeBron James assuming he's healthy. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. With more than thirty unique coverage options available progressive knows small business. Learn more at progressivecommercial dot com. Let's see here. A call about Kellerman on Kobe. Oh, wait Stanley in Pennsylvania, says LeBron still top-five Stanley. You're on the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. Are you doing? I'm good, man. How's everything? I'm good. Rosina top-five. Why? I just believe that he's. His physical power and everything he has to add to the game. I mean, I've just honest fanned lie everyb-. I mean, I do understand the. What the trays and everything else? With with Ibbs Pacific trade come to mind. I don't understand what the thing was the Lakers are doing when the Brian. I don't do you understand. And was. I think they I think they know what their window is with LeBron in Stanley. Thanks for calling the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. Like, I I can't blame them. But a four year deal with the guy who does not give out long-term commitments at this point of his career doesn't have to he's earned the right? Not to have to do it. So there's a measure of trust with him in the organization and probably with Magic Johnson. Which is why LeBron was so stung on his on his was that the shop was NF. So the shop where he was talking about how he was made aware that Magic Johnson stepped down. So yeah, that's your window. And they're going to do whatever they can't win a title. The problem is they're still in the Western Conference. And we don't know how depleted the Western Conference is going to be. I think at this point next year. We're talking about very different warriors team heard Stephen a who joins us in the first segment of the first hour of his own show here where he said that to him what he's hearing is played Thompsons, not happy. It's not happy. What was the word? He is crumbs not happy dealing with. Quorums and being forced to eat the crumbs leftover once they're enough shots for staff and enough shots or Kevin Durant while I think Klay Thompson is going to be much happier warrior, then next season. Because a lot of a lot of people are banking on the fact that Kevin Durant is not going to be in warriors uniform next season. And when I say banking, I mean actual money dollars American currency because according to west gate, Las Vegas super book. The Knicks have the fourth best odds in the Eastern Conference to win the NBA finals sixteen to one sixteen to one for the Knicks. Smell right? Anybody else? The smell bad. It's anybody else's probably a better way to put it. I don't know, man. I mean, we we heard there was a fan. There was a Knicks fan in Houston chanting at Durant anytime there was dead ball anytime. You know, he's on the free throw line. Whatever was just New York. Knicks New York Knicks knew and there are people. There are people who say that's definite possibility. Also people saying it about Kyrie Irving carry every made actually played his last game in Boston last night is they're down three to one. But for more on. Let's see we've got Celts in bucks. A let's go Lamont Lamont's in the Bronx. All right. Hold on. Maybe Lamont is a Knicks fan. Lamont. You're on the Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio. Hey, guys. How you feel when I'm great. How are you Lamont? Okay. Listen to your show a huge fan. I just want to say things because I know you're busy. I don't think if about more or less about pointing the blame I wanted to vigil such kind of your in for not getting done, the reason, I say that is because consistency plays a big pot and just my opinion alone. Either watching basketball for over forty years, and I've noticed that the consistency level from say twenty years ago thirty years ago has dropped tremendously. We're now seeing big such as Anthony Davis such as Lopez shoot the freeze. I'm not against it. But when they start coming from the paint to shoot the threes. Like if they are specialist. That's where the game starts to go downhill for me, you're taking away from the actual point God position the to God the three. They need to crash the paint more in order to get the job done such as last night, you had KAI. Even though he scored thirty points. Okay. And I don't notice that's what he was whether he was three for nineteen or something like that perimeter Cairo. Carey was one for seven from three and seven for twenty two from the floor twenty three points right again. Forgive me. I don't notice that. That's how what it is. But I noticed that you have one player such as kyri going in. And Jason Tatum is part of the team. I'll off it part of the team, Marcus smart. It's just coming off the injury. So I get it. I'm not making excuses for it going. Hey would onto the team. Yeah. You have these players that technically should be contributed. If not the hundred percent what a hundred and fifty percent that kyri is given then they should be able to at least give ninety eight ninety seven the consistency level. Has dropped. Now. I don't know about a lot. But I do know that if you facing the team such as Milwaukee where you got if the honest is having a off day, you have the team such as the bench stepping up to do their thing. You have Middleton stepping up to do his things. You know, that's where the game lies and lies in consistency level. Yeah. Very few people like I was discussing with my buddy, very few people mentioned consistency eighty two games as a long way. I mean, it's let's face it. That's what it is. But when you get to the semis and you'll go in towards the finals, and you're going for that chip the consistency level better. Be because it's not just about when you're doing good or when you're scoring forty or fifty as an individual like Joel Embiid. I think it was gained three or game to he's scoring game three because Sissy that will drop that is not something that's needed you understand. And I think these guys have forgotten. That's what it is. I think I I think playoff experiences is huge. And I think that's what kyri Irving would bring do wherever he goes next season. I I'm having a hard time thinking, he's. Going to be back in Boston. I think it might be closer to you there in the Bronx. I think he might be an initial uniform. Thanks for calling the Steve Naismith show on ESPN radio. It's not a it's not the hottest of takes to say that you need to make shots in the NBA postseason. I would agree with that. I think the bench point though, that he made is a good one at thirty to seven the bucks bench outscored the Celtics bench, and that's an expensive Celtics pension. You don't blame the play know account another man's money. Fine. You don't blame? Gordon Hayward for signing the deal that he signed. And quite frankly, don't blame the Celtics for signing to that deal because he wasn't hurt at the time. He's not the same player that he was you can't account for fluke freak injuries, but you can account for the minutes that he got you can account for the fact that that he was part of a seven point performance for the Celtics bench outscored thirty two to seven and when you look at Gordon Hayward in twenty seven minutes it two points to five shots made one of them missed both his threes. He had two points in. Twenty seven minutes. He has been outperformed by George hill. No disrespect to George hill. Did you know George hill was on the bucks before game three when he had twenty one points. It went for fifteen last night in game four he's thirty six points over the last two games. He shooting a far better field goal percentage in Cairo Irving who said that he you know, what I'm gonna play the sound again from Kyrie. I don't wanna I wanna make sure I don't get it wrong. Because what you're going to see on social media. Cairo Irving colon. Who cares? That's going to be as kyri Irving on loss. Who cares S? Not what it is. Don't let social media don't let two hundred eighty characters. If you're you're jerk. You should stick to one forty but don't let the character. Limit full you. Okay. It was a much more nuanced quote. But he was asked about the shooting woes. He was at hates kyri you've missed forty three shots. The last three games your worst shooting performance with the most MRs over a three game span, you're playoff career. And he was asked about that post-game who cares. Basketball player. You know, prepare the way like I said is is a little different when you know, your your rhythm is challenged every play down. You know, you're being picked up full court. You know, they're doing things to test you, and you know, the expectations on me are going to be sky high, and I try to utilize their aggression against him and still put my teammates in great positions while still being aggressive. I'm trying to do it all so you know for me the twenty two shots. I should've shot thirty you know, it really migrated shooter. So I think that just the consistency of just going at it. Staying aggressive is always going to put us in a great position. I I don't think he's wrong in that respect. But from an efficiency standpoint, when you're averaging about a point shot, I'll think that's. That's not what the Celtics want from him at this point of the season in Boston to be fair. And I know Boston's been spoiled Lord knows been spoiled Boston New England area teams advancing now. I mean, it's like the twenty eighth twenty six twenty eighth conference final across the four major sports. The Bruins just did it in in hockey and seltzer trying to do it. In basketball. The Red Sox coming up World Series championship. Patriots just won the Super Bowl. But despite all the success it despite all the winning. They still command that they still demand that their their biggest stars care. So for Cairo Irving say who cares? It's not it's not it's not a good. Look. It's not a good sound started starting to trend into Christopher Walken territory here. I don't I don't mean to you. But it's not a good. Look. It's not a good sound like it's not it's not what you need if you care about how that fan base now that city perceives you moving forward, and maybe you don't if your career having maybe you're not in that city, maybe not playing in front of that fan base weren't in a couple times a year. Maybe you're playing for the Knicks, and you come visit more often than you would like an Celts fans will greet you. However, they see fit. But then there's the fact that Kyrie Irving, I maybe he doesn't control this. But Nike put this out this on social media's the Nike dot com. At Nike store. Putting out the kyri announcing four hours ago, the kyri friends apparel collection going to drop may sixteenth. At least a sneaker launch comes may sixteen. And when I say friends, I mean, the friends TV show in the script that sort of coffeehouse script where spells kyri across the chest Kyi RI and on friends, it would spell out friends and there were different colored circles between the letters. That's on the T shirt. There's a central perk, which was the coffee house where all those friends hung out with hung out it there's a central perk logo theme with different color. Swoosh is down the side, all our friends, and there's a sneaker with these different colors on it underneath the solution. I believe the word friends is written. It's kind of small picture, but it's outlining friends, and I don't know why that drops today on a day where quite getting criticized for his attitude off of a season where Kawai didn't do what am I saying why kyri guy? Read them sound like he has a lot of friends so this kyri friends collection for Nike not on a friends in his own locker room. And it's dropping today. Just seems seems curious and maybe kirie doesn't have control over that. And maybe that's just trying to rush it out before Kyrie season is over. But the way curious timing there for Nike and one of its biggest superstars reminder ESPN radio recognizes national military appreciation month brought to you by navy Federal Credit Union proudly serving the armed forces the DOD veterans and their families for over eighty years. Federal federally insured by NC, you a Randy Scott in for Stephen aids. Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio much more on kyri. We'll have Chris Forsberg coming up. Bottom of the hour, two thirty eastern here on ESPN radio as well as the game tonight. There is a lot to get into with the raptors in the seventy Sixers as well as the blazers and the nuggets, and I'm gonna go and take my medicine. I said Denver was in trouble after losing game. Three could not have been more. Incorrect about the. Coli Yokich that much more on the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. Hey when you're hiring. You don't wanna waste time sorting through dozens of irrelevant resumes. You want an efficient way to get to a short list of qualified candidates. That's why you need indeed dot com post a job in minutes, set up screener questions based on your job requirements, then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. 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It's nothing against probably the best playoff series going right now in the NBA. And that's the warriors in the rockets is they shift back to Oakland for game five tomorrow night. But there's this. There's a little bit more finality. There's a little bit more us say drama to what we're seeing between the Celtics and the bucks and for that. We have Chris Forsberg joining us on the Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio. Chris covers the Celtics. They're in Boston for NBC sports, Boston. Chris I wanna make sure I outlined wherever you can be found as well. Your content all forms. By that you set it up nicely. Alright perfect. Why no that are years of cross paths when I was working in Boston there at the Celtics in that locker room has changed man. I mean while I was there for the tail end of boon to and then Kendrick Perkins got traded. And that's the bottom sort of fell out of that and whatever semblance of a cohesive locker room that may have been there under Brad Stevens inquiry. I feel like that's been gone after last night where does this locker room stand? Yeah. I it's just been a weird year. And it's like they have all this talent. And the just never figured out how to properly harness it hard to get the most out of it. And I thought coming into the year. There was this like burden of expectations, obviously, get kyri and Gordon back and you had a to a core. Young guys that wanted more. But now, they're forced take a mess the world. And for whatever reason it just hasn't worked out, and I think you can see it in their body language. I think you can see in the way that they poorly handle adversity, especially in this series of every time, the bucks, a third quarter running the Celtics just sort of pack it in that was weird watching kyri lead the court early last night would find a buzzer. And you go the fans around the media section or are, you know, just kind of doing and and saying you cannot it here. I mean, there are some things around. But it's just been a weird year weird unlikable team at times just because of the way they play. And yet, you know, we'll always wonder what could have been because. They have undeniable talent, they'd just never harnessed it, undeniable young talent as well playing under a talented young coach, and that was sort of the thing with Brad Stevens, at least the expectation or the or the resume, however undeserved at times it felt, but this is a young coach he's going to be able to connect to young players, and you mentioned Gordon Hayward net specifically young player that Stevens coached in his younger days at Butler, and you can't blame. Gordon Hayward forgetting hurt you can't blame him for the contract. All that was done when he was at his peak. He's just not that guy now. So when you see a stat line of twenty seven minutes and two points for Gordon Hayward with the season virtually on the line. I mean, you down three games to one. Now, how much blame is there for a guy and Brad Stevens who could at least control the playing time or lack thereof for a guy was just not what he wants was. Yeah. And even Brad admitted today, he is just one of his biggest sort of concern to regret so far in the series of that. He doesn't feel like maximize Gordon. Hey. Tailored and carriers. You're on the bench guys and trying to put them in good spots. But you know, that also funk back on the player, and you know, as much as we've sort of allowed Gordon to to sort of work his way back to he had a couple of back and minor injuries that certainly deterred him early in the season. You know, I thought coming into this series, especially Gordon Hayward was supposed to be the x factor. I didn't think the the bucks had anyone on their bench that could play to his level that could change a series the way Gordon Hayward could especially with the way Gordon finished the series against the Pacers came for that series. He's backing up against miles Turner revenue going to the basket. He looked coughing. It looked aggressive. You know, I keep falling into the travel. I'd say Utah board and his back, and it's always maybe a little bit premature. And then he goes through these lulls, and unfortunately is going through one right now. But certainly it's fair to take him to give you more when Pat Khanaqin, and and George Hiller out playing you off the bucks bench. It's it's. A bad sign for the Celtics. And again, I go back with those third quarters have been the different than sort of seems like when the bench unit in there is the time that this has gotten away falls back on Gordon that both back on Brad defined the right line if to find the right adjustments. But it also speaks to you know, it just feels like these guys all have something in their head where you know, where it versity hit. And they just don't know how to respond to it. And and unfortunately, for Gordon it's happened on a big stage here both Tyree really to with the the way Kyrie Strother. But that that's a lot of money committed to your to superstars and they're not responding on the playoff stage at the moment. Talk with Chris Forsberg who covers the Celtics for NBC sports. Boston reminder here, the Steve Naismith show is brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash higher. You mentioned Pat Coniston, I think a lot of people would probably have chuckled. I know is that he's a mass native. So maybe a little bit more interested in him up there in those games in Boston. But he wasn't going to be a deciding factor. Okay. Stat line nine points fine. But. But contents part of this bench mob here for the bucks. That has just dominated anything that Brad Stevens has rolled out there. The scoring differential last night thirty to seven George hill has turned back time if fifteen points last night, he at twenty one in game three, and that's significant because last night, the Celtics got Jaanus in foul trouble. This was a single digit game at halftime. The Celtics had a lead in the second half. Janas gets in foul. Trouble about eight eighteen to play probably in the third quarter give or take and you think all right if the seltzer going to do it this is it, and they didn't do it. Chris. They were rolled by that they were rolled by Milwaukee's bench. How much of that is defensive struggles. How much of that is just a failure to put the ball in the basket. Yeah. So the Celtics perspective, it's just when they are shot on falling. They let it into the defensive end. And that's part of the reason why no-balls and they got away with it against Indiana. Because Indiana didn't have superstars a lot of people out there that can make you pay like could go cold. And it wouldn't hurt them against the box of just you remain less. And and just like you said that was the turning point last night. Not only John is on the bench with the four or five a middle paying got his four or five in the band. Right. The one time this series where the Soviets have both those guys on the bench. I think the bus came out in like a seven one run might have gone up like twelve one. And that's when the game started to get away from him. And I mean, that's just inexcusable. There's no reason to sell shouldn't feast on those on those non minutes, and I go back to it. It's like I feel like I kept pronouncing contents name wrong. And I think the guys up here from Arlington like his family's probably all over me. And you know, but he's been super impassable in this series. And like just little stuff. I mean comes up the block on zero last I go the other way throws down dunk. You just feel the energy being sucked on the arena at that point. The Celtics have been sort of build this team of all this death that this supposed to be able to to take advantage of the fact that they have mercy who was still doing. Post you then pay were coming off the bench. And yet, they haven't given them a spark. I thought they didn't game one. I thought that's been hard party. But also it's so good in game one, you know, Paul Pierce out. Here making proclamations about this series being over, and you know, clearly, his all change. And I I go back it just some of that falls back on the bench guys, not embracing the moment on abrasion this chance of picking this team up, especially as started like coury struggle poor Paul Pierce Seattle. It's gonna follow him for a while here. Chris Forsberg from NBC sports, Boston Celtics reporter here on Stephen Smith show. A reminder ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance, quote by and save on home insurance with progressives. New homequote explorer only at progressive dot com. I wanna play a little piece of sound. This is from get up earlier this morning on ESPN when Jalen rose was assessing kyri, not only last night pretty much big picture here with the Celtics. We'll play it for you and get your reaction here. Chris hang on a sec pairs the distinction that the Celtics had to make. And I said this today that they psychiatry they used to be a pace of space team where the ball in the movement dictated who got the shop. Kyrie Irving is a ball dominated isolation. Type of player they they used to be a team where L Horford their center led them in history. Okay. That was their style. Now. They've chosen to give the watercolor Rita. Take them home. He's shown the he can't be the best player on a contending team. And I agree with you. He's done in boss. Austin? And you read it is waiting for this teammates, help them pack. Oh, they can't wait wait room to go. Terry Rozier Cam. I think I think Chris Forsberg, it's the teammates will help him pack part of that you hear them from Jalen how much truth is there to it. So I do think it injustice period where these guys had to figure out where their shops come from again. How are we going back to the ball Dominic guard like J the says there, and he commands a lot of the usage rate, and like trying to figure out where they fit in and make sure lineup here for most of the season was always on the Celtics better without probably because when Connery wasn't out there, the pink, hats if stuff and other piece it on a lot of musher competition, but guys could step off and more impactful have the competence because there in case shots. So I think it's just balance with with. I don't know if they necessarily sit there and say, oh, we gotta get rid of this guy where so much better without him. But I do think, you know, when you're looking at your individual game, you probably say, well, if we didn't have this guy here, I could be more impactful before I could be the star that I thought maybe I was going to be coming into season. Got like Jalen Brown, and Jason Tatum, and again, dear I it is definitely the look because I got here screen plugged blue in the face of this team was clearly better win calories on the floor that that's the whole argument was just so dumb. And yet. Now, we get to the playoffs. And and whether this is just a phone or it's just that Kyra can't be the go-to guy on the biggest stage on his own. It certainly makes you think. And so, you know, is this the guy that Celtics one to build around like forget the back whether he wants to be here is is this the guy to sell. This are committed to this the player that Brad Stevens can maximize the most I think Boston has been tough decisions here this summer, let alone again, whatever kyri decides for don't teach does he wanted to be back because the Celtics one about I think that's a bigger question here moving forward and listen this roster, and it it could look radically different based on the move. They make this can be fascinating to see. How this thing shapes up, and you know, whether kyri comes back do they pursue Anthony Davis. Did they just ride it with this young core there? I don't think there's an obvious direction to go in. And this this latest postseason has played out hasn't made those choices any easier. Chris. Moore's Berg covers the Celtics NBC sports Boston. So if that locker room is different at that roster is different Chris's job is going to be a little bit different going to be some new faces perhaps to be around in and get used to Chris. Appreciate the time man for however longer. I however much longer this series goes on a best luck and safe travels. They difference yet. It taken you to mid Hayao reminder here picking out the perfect mother's day. Bouquet is easy with one eight hundred flowers dot com right now. One eight hundred flowers will give you twenty four multicolored roses, plus a free base for only twenty nine ninety nine to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com. Click the radio icon and enter code Stephen a one of the best things for me on the internet right now is basketball reference dot com as such so you sound like you know, what you're talking about. It's too. You can make sure you get very obscure nicknames for some of the biggest stars in the NBA, including Nicole Yokich who has two nicknames. You probably haven't heard and he's deserving of both as we get into the blazers and the nuggets as well as the raptors in the seventy Sixers much more NBA on the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. Just what you're in the middle of a Stephen Smith show podcast. Dammit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Plenty of pressure. Got a couple of game five tonight. The NBA got the seventy Sixers north of the wall taken on the raptors that series tied at two although it feels like all the momentum is with Kawhi Leonard in Toronto game five between the blazers and the nuggets that series back in Denver. I need to a little bit my own medicine here in just a moment on that. But a reminder, I is we're back on the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. Randy Scott infra, Steven A. I get triple action protection for optimal engine performance with shell v. Power nitro plus premium gasoline wanna talk about the one series that we really haven't touched on so far that's the nuggets and the blazers and this one has given us the only overtime game actually the first overtime game that we had all of the playoffs in the NBA. So far the entirety of the postseason. It was the first overtime game in mandate. Make the most of it. They went four overtimes before Portland was eventually able to knock off Denver and in that game to call the oak. Had another triple double one of two that he's had in this series alone. And he played sixty five minutes and still lost Jamal Murray. Had thirty four minutes. It wasn't one of these games were it was Yokich or nothing. And if you go on his basketball reference page one of his nicknames, you know about joker. Did you know that he's also known as big Honey, did you know that Nicola Yokich has a nickname used often enough by enough people where it's big Honey. So big Honey had this massive performance. And they still lost so quick draw here on Twitter went on. I was like blue Noga in big trouble. And I've come up with a nickname for yoga to the dad bod'ed God because he looks like a dude you would see in your local gym. He looks like a young dad bod'ed, dude and get he's a killer out there. And what did they do responded yoga, another triple W took back home court, and they won in Portland. And now it's a best of three series in to those games. If they need them. We'll be in Denver and same thing for Toronto. Because quite Leonard has been an absolute. Monster. So in terms of predictions can be both home teams tonight. Gimme denver. Gimme toronto. And I hope I haven't just curse them with my pick. A if you missed any of the show today. Go check it out on demand in the Steve Naismith podcast brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet capital? One NA member FDIC, Stephen A, maybe back tomorrow. I'm ready to Scott's to Stephen Smith show ESPN radio. That's just a simple of what you'll hear on the Stephen swift show, weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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#hottakeoftheday podcast Episode 53, w/David Forsberg, Ascent Energy Ventures

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#hottakeoftheday podcast Episode 53, w/David Forsberg, Ascent Energy Ventures

"What is going on hot take nation DFW here for another episode of the heartache today podcast today we're very fortunate to be joined by David Forsberg of energy ventures. We're GONNA learn about. I think a lot of things a little bit on the quad side lot about investing Get his take on what's going on in oil and gas, but before we get there. Let's start with the last week. We've seen some bankruptcies. Extraction declared. We've seen oil. Come back to forty, then go back to thirty eight. Then come back to forty, and we're in a very very choppy and volatile time the thing that brought me back from my vacation. In case you're curious. There was going to be a gap in the blog between season one and season two. I didn't know how long it was. But in my mind, it was going to be September. But then I started getting text messages from people love heartache. Nation loved the Info they provide, and that companies were starting to think about picking up rigs again like have we learned nothing so dear w had to go right back to November two thousand eighteen and say operators. When the hell are you doing? We can't be picking up rigs right now. So David Forsberg to the show. Let's start with that topic. Have you been hearing about people picking up rigs? I heard a little bit, but I think I think it's still pretty light. I think that the picking up rigs noise is greater than the actual reality but we'll see. What would they actually do here? In the next you know month or two? Do we call that like the old Bayton switch with service companies trying to get them to lower their prices, saying we're about to pick up some rigs, and maybe if you could just do me this one solid right now, you know we'll pay it back in spades when the rig comes. Is that what you think's going on? And if you need to get in line, you know you get in line early right? Well, there's there's enough equipment that the line should be short now. You have to be socially distanced in the line of course to spend at least six feet away before you sign the contract so David. Why don't you talk about a sent ventures and what you're doing and how you see the energy market today, sure send energy ventures were a venture fund focused on investments in energy technology companies that lead to a more digital an automated energy industry We might. My background is in automating financial markets I began by working with a famous investor named Joe Ritchie where we developed execution algorithms used by institutions ranked number one by institutional investor, and we did about one hundred million shares day. Day eventually, and then we started doing investment algorithm systematic processes now with a joint back office agreement with tax. We ran about one hundred, million, long short up fifty percent in emp stocks, and then I was the head of investments for a single family office, related to the industry and well there in two thousand fifteen. We were well positioned for the sell off in crude prices, but just couldn't find assets that fit in our wheelhouse that were at a fair price, so we decided to figure out where we could add value, and we felt that the trends that happened in other industries in particular financial industry of Automation digitisation were coming to industrial sector in specifically the energy. Sector! As one of the biggest digital laggards in all industries We felt that a an opportunity there, and so we dated all of our emp assets in about seventeen and redeployed some of that capital into investments in the space, and so it's just been an evolution since some so so lot lots. Dig Dig in there. Let's let's start with two thousand fifteen. When you looked at at opportunities to divest of MP's because you couldn't find anything, so you run one hundred million dollar fund. How do you think about the valuations? If if you stay on top of them of impede today versus two thousand fifteen, and what would you? What do you make of it I think valuations are bizarre. I think valuations for assets in across all asset. Classes are in many ways bizarre right now. I think risk is high. Volatility is high y'all should be as discounting mechanism. Those two pieces should be repositioning asset. Prices across asset classes, but yeah. I think it's bizarre. One of the things we talk about this a lot because you hear a lot of investors and certain people in the industry, get excited about forty because forty in and of itself I would argue it's not. It's not economic for full shale development, but certainly it's economic to complete some of the seventy five hundred bucks. We have in the country and to your point on discount rate evaluations, I mean I looked at Amazon the other day because I keep I. Keep Looking at the Nasdaq. Being like how can you not short it and this is not a show about investment advice but Amazon is trading at one hundred and twenty six times forward. Forward earnings and the last time I checked notwithstanding commute, computing, and Amazon web services, and all this stuff, but last time I checked. Consumers have to have jobs to buy the things that are being sent to their house, and I look at Amazon, and I feel like it's two thousand, but at least Amazon has very low debt. You transition that to the EMP sector, and even if you were to uses zero percent discount rate for equity, everyone has so much debt with the exception of maybe a pioneer Andy Oh. Gee, that you just can't survive. You're dead long enough to get to a place where prices are higher and yet asset prices. Equities stay so overvalued. The. Do you see it the same way? Yeah, I think you absolutely hit the nail on the head here I mean if I were investing in peace ox right now or publicly traded companies. I'd be buying the debt. That's what I'd be looking for. Not Not so much that I think that I want the debt, but I'd be looking at it to convert equity. Yeah, and I totally agree. I think that there's definitely a bifurcation now where you know hedge funds and certainly private equity guys are realizing that all the Rock in the United States worth owning his own and most. Most is burdened by so much debt and or firm transport contracts that make it totally unable to buy it, and or you know well bore abandoned liabilities that are so ridiculous that the only way to really do it as you move through the debt, and then once once you go through bankruptcy, it'll be interesting to see in a case like extraction, which is a Colorado Company, obviously, if the creditors push that management team out given that that's been the management team that took it from private equity to public thing, they went public, and their valuation was maybe four billion dollars to I. Remember that, right? That, that resonates with me. Yeah, and then and then. Now for equity holders, so so so that's sort of two thousand fifteen airline very much on that. Let's talk about technology. A lot of people really look to technology to unlock like as we go to lower personnel and more challenging economics, we see the digital oilfield is being transformative in my career. Really haven't seen that some curious as an investor how you differentiate the whizzy banging thing that that you know might be not really game changer versus a true game changing technology in the oil field. He I think the the first thing is what are we talking about with? Oil and gas, there's the first bifurcation which is more engineering tech support wear things that are in the field, and there's a digital or or asset light tech, and then from there there's a separate bifurcation which is operational tech, versus off field, tech, or or drilling tax, so that that is where I focus is on the digital side. So and we've been very heavily invested as industry in the engineering side, which which has made sense. I think that it. It's going to be kind of like. How do you eat the elephants scenario? Where right now we're sitting around looking at the elephant taking some some of the EMP companies are taking small bites, and in ten years by ten years they will see huge benefit from and they will beat in the whole entire vigil oilfield. There'll be much more efficient compound capital better than their peers, and the other people, the other companies they will have not even started because the bites were too small, and they'll look around and say. How did this elephant get consumed and they? They will now be way behind their peers, so I think that we're GonNa see and I think eventually there's a there's a play here in in public equities as well between those that. That digitally adopt and those that don't so I I in my opinion, it is time the the energy industry has been the biggest digital leg. All Industries behind the public sector the executives feel that they are They have foam. Oh, about possibly missing out on this trend in so I think that it's not a single technology that will point to, but in five to ten years. We're going to be very. Surprised and impressed by how this stuff has both. Yes, it's really interesting to me because I reflect on my career, and I'll put a couple of things out there, but but one of them is. Our industry is not that hard now. It's very capital intensive, and I used to make a joke. That drilling wells is easy producing wells for thirty years very hard. Because you have age to us, you have people you have equipment. You have leaks. You have all the things, but like the old private equity model, which was really the feedstock, this resource growth play in the last twelve years like it was fine land prove it up through drilling wells, which was easy, and quite frankly you could use excel. Pen and paper and get the wells drilled, but for a company like Exxon where you have just this massive massive legacy. It's it's hard. Envision how one of the Super Majors who will obviously survive the downturn as a lot of the small mid caps disappear. It's hard to imagine how an Exxon or Chevron would really adopt this in a meaningful way that that transforms their business. Well. What do you say to that? I'm not entirely sure that they're the target market for much of this technology. I think it's the other Y'all call eight thousand EMP companies that exist at different levels the big majors have already they have the ability and have done show to build their own. Internal Technology that gives them an ability to manage at scale It's the other companies that haven't take for example David your past. You used a crm. That was that was a strategic advantage for you whether you realize it or not. No was absolutely yeah, so teams using Microsoft teams using UH slack, using other tools that are just accounting software. I I looked at EMP company that operated for forty years, and they were still keeping their books pen and paper, just because it was easier, and this isn't that long ago, so I think that those opportunities to bring just up to other industries exist and instead of hiring six accountants. You'RE GONNA You now laid off five of them. You're going to say okay well. which are we gonNA. Bring all five back or maybe we should look at some of the software, so we only. We don't have to bring any of them back. So I think that's where the trend is going to go. So I'm actually glad you raised that because that's something I haven't talked about it. And I did opposed a couple of months ago, sort of reflecting on one energy, and and the whole work from home, and in two thousand sixteen. Because the four partners were in four different cities. We we elected for various reasons. We saw the competitive advantage of having someone in new someone. In Houston, someone in Dallas someone in Denver and the view was, we could have a meeting with basically anyone in the energy industry, and be there within two hours, and and so not the GNA savings, and when we would tell people this. Everyone thought we were crazy, and so it was so bad that we had a fake office in Houston. That was the building which we affectionately call the one energy tower. And we just had a religious like we were. We were never there and we would have people show up with like Karachi's that they would hand them out to like every other business, but we were able to work from home, but you're right. The Competitive Advantage for sure that we had that enabled that to work. was we use something called pipe drive? was was a crm tool and it was and Leo. I think really led the charge on that in transforming it into a every single call every single meeting, every single everything anyone had you documented and it would auto email a summary at the end of the day of everything that was done so that we never had any meetings, so a lot of people talk about being bogged down in meetings and they. They discovered that on zoom. They really didn't need to have three hours of meetings. A day in their boss was actually available to make a decision will the reason we were able to get away from that was everyone knew everything all the time, and if you wanted to read more, you just winning the tool and you're you're totally right. That was transformative. A I see how that would work. Yeah, multiply that out across right now there there's hundreds of small energy companies digital technology companies, and they were founded oftentimes in the recession of the oil gas recession of two thousand fifteen percent, more companies be founded. These guys have or people who have worked in the industry for ten plus years. They've realized there's a pain in the butt. Piece of their business of how they've operated, and they're going to try and start a company that resolves that little piece, and so then we're gonNA, get consolidation, and then we're going to get them all into some sort of unified platform that enables that you just subscribed to, and maybe maybe that's like a Bloomberg. Terminal or something like that for P that allows you to have multiple data feeds, and suddenly efficiency gains inability to operate at do more with less becomes a reality. Do, you feel like you need to bet on. Not only the winners in the transformative technology is an investor, but you also need to bet on the companies targeted because one of the things you commented on was. There's eight thousand MP companies I. Don't know if that's the right number I'd heard it was lower, but it's a lot and I've made the case probably for the last year and a half that I see a world in less than three years where there's only ten large emp companies left. That are public, and there are perhaps ten. Ten privates and when I think about a private I think about a Hill Corp or I think about like a pension fund calpers who would invest behind a Guy Lakes Guy Kalinine to put like five billion dollars to work to consolidate assets in a base in the public companies don't want, but in that scenario where there's only twenty companies really left in all. The land is owned, and it's. It's just a slimmer industry. How do you pick the winners in your investment thesis, or do you disagree that the the level consolidation gets that tight. I think I disagree a little bit with how tight against I think there will be consolidation but. And I think that one of the biggest companies is yet to be founded, and it will be a company that. Uses digital technology to operate at scale, and they will go out, and they will consolidate and acquire a number of assets that they can operate far more efficiently than anybody else. That is both in their back office operations as well as their field operations and I think that companies yet to exist I. I agree with that. I think that's a really good point. So when you look out, you know we talked about how slow the oil field has been to digitize, and the difference in industries is part of it because we are a bit of a legacy and a boom. Boom and bust so like when I think about inventory remaining one of my biggest challenges, even coming up with who wins in this is that I have had the view that the Balkan might have two years of inventory left at the pace. We were running at the number of wells that should have been drilled, and so now with economics revised and rigs down like you sort of say well, there's nothing left to do other than just produce out the asset, which again is very hard. operationally, but from a digital standpoint, maybe not as hard. What do you think about that? I think. The N.. P. No longer stands for exploration. It stands for efficiency in economies of scale in the industry. Migrating to a more manufacturing process, if you look and you think about it, what the technology that enables that manufacturing at scale tends to capture a disproportionate amount of future margin, so the Barclays came out with a report in January on the digital oilfield I think it's called back to the future and. Says that they think the current revenue for the digital oilfield is about five billion today within five years, it'll be thirty billion, and then they think that there will be three dollars per barrel of savings to the impede companies with one hundred fifty billion dollars a year. Okay, just through one hundred numbers at you, but. I think that it's wrong. In the fact that hundred and fifty billion dollars of savings to digital to companies that will go to these digital companies that have a strategic advantage in their technology allow these companies to operate in that manufacturing environment so to me I think that the digital oilfields a great way to participate in this shift that you just alluded to to a more manufacturing process. What do you think about the fact that a? A An investor or a you know a major company one of the Big Five. Certainly I saw that on CNBC yesterday that the top five companies so that would be Amazon Apple. Microsoft Google and I can't think who the fifth one was, but the big five. They're six trillion dollars market CAP, which exceeds the combined market cap of the other four hundred ninety five SNP members, and one of those Google has said that they won't provide I guess investment in oil and gas. was that like a PR thing where they just not doing a lot of business. Like what do you make of of when companies make this clean energy pledge or whatever they're doing? Yeah, so Greenpeace came out with a report chastising these companies for their use or creating tools that are now that enable the oil and gas companies to operate more efficiently. and Google is the only one that folded to that the. The main reason is that Google is third or four a thin cloud computing, so there are a laggard there and where Amazon is the leader and and I believe Microsoft is number two so it wasn't a big deal for them to back away. The was low cost high PR in fit within their company desire their their employees desires, and so I don't think it's a big loss first of all but I think it was more PR. But if you'll notice, I don't need a google to create. Tools when they are hundred hundred oil and gas, specific digital companies that are creating ai tools So I think that that's kind of a red herring. That's totally fair. Let's let's pivot and talk because of the technology topic I wanNA talk a little bit about Cova did not the not the virus, but what we've learned and one of the things that I come away from this in regardless of Amazon's valuation, Amazon is so big that I remember when I was younger in my in my life Microsoft going through some antitrust issues, and it was specifically around Internet explorer, which was their product and I believe that the competitor was netscape. Yes and there were some antitrust, because Microsoft could basically do whatever they wanted and everyone had to do it, and so look at apple and my inability. I Hate Apple I. Read Truly Hate Apple. I can't use the computers I. Don't even know how to turn them on, but I have an apple phone because I'm like linked to their APP store, and then then they're tracking me. And they pushed out like a cova data tracker the other day, and then Google's automatically deleting my location history, which I didn't even know they were tracking, and then Amazon just crushes all the small businesses, and we can argue that they facilitate small business sales, but what I've heard, is they're they're like? Like Walmart and they're very very prescriptive on what you will do, and what your takeaways, and what your returns and in Cetera and the reason I bring all this up is do you think that innovation is being stifled in our economy when you said in oil and gas of small guys, because no one's competing, and they can kind of innovates, whereas these other big guys have a business model in anyone who even starts, they could just go pay him ten million bucks to stop and like it becomes an antitrust issue and I don't think I appreciated. HOW BIG AN ANTI TRUST ISSUE! We have in the United States until Cova I'm curious if you have any opinions on that. I think antitrust is more of a legal component and and so I. I don't know that I comment whether it is or isn't falls under a legal antitrust, but I will say this I think that there is a component to all of these big companies that stifles growth because they are modern monopolies. They are platform businesses facebook. FACEBOOK was the other one which I can't. Even believe is still a business, which is why I reject the premise. It's one of the top five largest companies in the world, but there it is the fangs. There's there's a great book. It's called modern monopolies talks about this. It's it's. It's fabulous book it's. Thinks the yellow book behind me but they they discuss what what platform business model really is in these platforms, once they get scaled become monopolies, and so you're. You're one hundred percent correct now. That doesn't mean monopoly doesn't necessarily mean that it's detrimental to the consumer to society it just means that does to a certain extent, stifle competition, and if you look in fact, media's great book called the Master Switch, and it talks about the evolution of the media monopolies from Western Union to the phone to cable to networks, etc, radio, and how they have. They took certain steps to protect themselves so. Is Amazon taking steps and his facebook taking steps to protect themselves from competition. Actively work as Microsoft took active steps to keep any other any other company from operating, and and so I think there's a slight difference there, but no, you're right I think it's something that government is certainly involved in which i. have mixed feelings on that, but Yeah I. think that that there is some issues. And I'm certainly I don't think anyone would ever describe me. As Nada Republican might be a Socialist Republican of my mic, Canadian family heritage, but but I would never have been in favor of breaking up. Apple Amazon facebook Microsoft previous Dacoven Covid, but then like when I was at home depot for example and home. Depot was open, but the Flores was closed. Closed and and you know that that is related to the number of employees. They have the access. They have to politicians in terms of how much they contribute to their campaigns, and how much they matter in terms of employment, and you need to look no further than when Amazon was trying to have to headquarters in like it was this national search and. And everyone was competing, so it's no surprise that Amazon was allowed to sell. All of the products that other places weren't allowed to sell, and that to me is just as our economy has slowed so much, and his employment is a challenge I. Really Am concerned that unless you break these big companies up, you just end up with these monoliths that can. Can do whatever they want, and you can never get back to full employment and out, but anyway I mean it's. It's a little bit of a diversion, but it is interesting, given the technology elements when you think about like what facebook and Amazon the narrative, they control and the media. What narrative Troll vis-a-vis everything else that we're trying to accomplish absolutely absolutely. So go back early in your career and you know. Talk about how you ended up in this road, you know. As you look back. I'm sure it makes sense, but as you look forward going through family office and running along shore, investment fund, and then investing in technology. What were the key three or four pivotal moments in your career that you can remember that really guided you to where you are today? I think. So there's there's a I. think of the world has certain one bucket of skill one bucket of lock you can do whatever you can to maximize the skill bucket, and those are things like whatever get a degree or or interact in certain ways. Read books whatever it is, and then there's the lock which is the randomness bucket nets, positive and negative guy we, whenever we take any action that is a component of uncertainty to it in a component of skill and I think most of my career has been more randomness than than any sort of diligent plan and I think that's true for most people whether. Whether they truly understand that or not as an investor, you'd understand these different components to outcomes, which is a randomness and uncertainty as well as skill so so my career has been benefactor of that One little moment that that I think was important is working in automating financial markets, and understanding as the tip of the spear, what it looks like when industry one pushes away for the technology, and eventually gets run over by the tidal wave of that that adoption, and what it takes to really digitize an industry in the macro trend. Which I think is the dominant trend of my lifetime is automation. As things, things are going to become progressively more automated whether that be. It doesn't necessarily mean digital, either like if I if I set up a schedule that that says I wear a red shirt on Tuesday. that that's an automated process whether it's digital or not and I I think that the human mind. Our Society is migrating that way vote for multiple reasons and so that's the trend that I think. Or that part of my life allowed me to see that trend firsthand. It's it is interesting that you talk about the randomness and Guy Roz on on how I built this. which is one of my favorite podcasts? Always at the end? Is it more locker skill, and and it is funny that a lot of people like they really want skill to play such a factor whereas I I really think that so much is luck, and and there's three or four meetings and and. And I think back in my career. There was a head hunter that I was talking to in two thousand twelve, when I sort of suspected that that my might impending termination was coming. I didn't believe it was going to happen. As most people probably don't. They're not really getting along with. My boss said he'd never talked to my boss kind of avoids me, but I'm sure it's GONNA be fine. But I was talking to ahead under and that head-hunter through him is how I met all of the people that I ultimately did one energy with four years later, and just his his sort of involvement in my river was so impactful to where I am today, and that is not a skill thing that was a one hundred percent like I had the skills to be in the position that I was in, but it was total randomness that I met the two partners I started the company with that I learned about private equity from that that was what the book was based on. So so it is interesting that that you see the world very similar to me in that way. And my career in life has been influenced so much by serendipity. which is what that is, you know and I think in that Guy Roz question the end. As human beings we tend to to. There's a matrix that I think of there's there's good outcomes negative outcomes than there's good decisions bad decisions, and that's data driven decision making those kinds of things you can have a bad decision with a positive outcome, and you can have a good decision with a negative outcome, if I flip a coin and we know it's going to be head seventy percent of the time. Any bet on tails is a bad bet, but it's still gonNA show up on on tales with enough You know sample samples. It's GonNa. Show up thirty percent of the time, so you're going to be wrong a percentage of the time even when you made a good decision. So you talk about data driven. Let let's talk about your investment process both historical and current, because because I agree I think a lot of people forget that and I and I learned this playing competitive sports was. It's not the outcome that I mean. The outcome obviously matters, but to get the the consistent outcome in sports. You Need A. The correct process and in in in business the correct process leads to the correct decision making, and sometimes you can for sure be wrong and you know I've talked about this this you know. I came into this year on the belief that oil was going to be sixty, because the US was going to decline, because we had maximize length, we had drilled too tight and declines were too high, and I wrote about that in October, and so I said so look the US is going. Going to decline a million barrels a day when the world thinks we're going to grow a million barrels a day. OPEC has defended a good price and therefore oil will be sixty so if you buy companies that are exposed to the best business model at sixty, you win what I was wrong on was covert and demand destruction and and everything that came out of that, so I felt like it was a good decision at the time. What turned out to be the wrong outcome? Curious as you think about the good and bad in your data driven how you look at it things you've learned over the course your career. Yeah I just to respond specifically. Is that you know it's a in. Right and if you, your data driven decision maker, you almost. Naturally go and seek out new information to help off poke holes, or or to update your your data, so you refine your message so when you made the decision, you didn't know that uncertainty was going to happen and suddenly cove. It happens, so you need to reevaluate an update your investment thesis with the new information that is covert, and what does that look like going forward and and plenty of time as an investor your wrong? You pivot and you're suddenly right. Okay, because new information came in the door. So the way that I think about my decision making their different ways to do this, but you know one. The scientific method is is a very effective way of thinking about things in applying it to things other than science, but I think about one developing a forecast and. And what does that forecast? Look like what factors in my considering how do I, just things others a great book on that called Super Forecasting, and it's more of a process of your forecast to just refine it a little bit. They're still going to be an error term in uncertainty, and then it's kind of judgment. You gain judgment through skills through education. Through tracking and analyzing results, and then once you have that judgment, you apply things to some sort of a a model whether whether that be an investment, process or decision making process, and then you make your decision, and then you have your results, and you need to Justin and adjust the model and think about reasons why you results were positive or negative. Did Randomness do or factor into that decision making process if you are robust and thorough in this type of a process over time? Your decisions improve, and it's probably the number one way to a compound and improve. Your life is through really looking at all of these things more systematically, so and using data, obviously instead of just feelings, because sometimes feelings or related most of the time feelings are related to data. You just haven't thought deep enough about what the what what you're feeling really is about a certain decision, so, but in in that same context I. I mean the gut feel a lot of people have had a great amount of success over their career. Because the their gut said now there's just as many failures, but but they're gut said this is what I have to do. Even the data didn't support it at the time. And then your point, the serendipity works out. How do you balance for you personally when your gut says to do one thing and the data says to do another. I I look for more data to try and I'm trying to figure out what I'm trying to what I'm really feeling here, and Maybe I don't make the decision like unless I have to write but. sure stories about this. There's a big. Big Private Equity Back to impede company years ago or a few years ago in Denver, that the CEO the the team came to him with all kinds of data, and they said we should drill these five wells on this property in these five locations in the. CEO, said I don't know I feel like it should be in these locations in five different ones. So he went completely against all the data, and they were all dry holes and That's the way decisions have been made. Historically I just think that there's there's there's no way to to go back and decide whether the decision was quality one or not because there's no, there's no data supporting it. There's no ability to adjust the process going forward, so you're one offs education. Yeah, it works out sometimes, but but it. It's very much a depending on where the decisions being made. It's very much data and process driven I really like the way you talk about that. Because one of the things I think that leaders do poorly especially in this day and age so not in the eighties when you know quite frankly, I remember my dad coming home from the office with a briefcase of paper, and and if you have a briefcase of paper and no control F. and no email and no communication, it takes you the reality is it takes two weeks to do something that we can probably do now in four minutes, but but the the generational leaders of the. The eighties seem to value consistency because they didn't have the opportunity to over communicate with people and to get as much data as we do now and so I've always viewed that the leaders are consistent to a fault where they're not reflecting on the data you know like even the emp companies when March eighth happened, and now is the Saudi is March seventh, but the South the backdrop of the Russians not doing Saudi not doing and then ten days later cove in March, Twenty Third World blew up the fact that it took Exxon like forty five days to cut their budget. Is is so crazy to me because they knew what the answer was, and it felt like they were just trying to be well. We're a long term value driver, and we ebb and flow through the cycles. Because that's what we did, and that's what we've always done, but they didn't react to the data that everyone knew they had to and and even. Even, even politicians now they're so baked into this will case counselor is in case, counts rising will, but our deaths rising and hospitals full those are the two actual criteria and yet we can't change the narrative. How do you think that people can who can improve themselves in in that category? So in the Exxon scenario one is I think scenario I mean. Mean I'm surprised they haven't they don't have all. These different scenarios worked out as a public equity investor we. We constantly had scenarios. If this happens how we react, how does it change our thesis in you? Try and go through those. Though a you already know how you're gonNA react I mean it seems to me fairly easy to say if something happens with price, and something happens with supply. Something happens in the the the marketplace. We're GONNA. React in this way. that I'm surprised. Exxon just doesn't have a playbook ready to go that. You can make a decision within five minutes. 'cause always clustered ahead of time when you're not emotional about it as well and I think with. Decision Making 'em. We're seeing a great a great experiment in decision making this, Kelvin. and I think. One information was heavily uncertain and. It was. It is dynamic and changing and. What is the framework for the decision making we're going to do. XYZ with these factors involved, and as those factors change, it changes the output. And there needs to be some sort of smoothing mechanisms, so it's not like this. You're output, but I think that that would drastically change what we're doing. Today and I think that it would avoid the sunk cost bias that exists today. The safe face I mean if you're if you're a public health official, you have certain metrics for for what you decide, and if you're a politician, your job is to take that information. Synthesize it and make difficult decisions instead of just going off of whatever you're told. What happens when the information changes in you look like? Maybe you made a wrong decision which I'm not saying you did, but if you made a wrong decision. You'll and you don't have a process and you don't want to admit that you made a wrong decision, so you delay updating your output I think that's part of what we may be. See Today, or we'll see in the future with these types of decisions well I. Think we've certainly seen it with police. And and again not because there's a political show but I, we obviously are looking at leadership, and you know as as an investor as a small business owner as all these things were trying to read. The tea leaves as to what the heck's going on and pull this I felt early. Early on did a really good job of communicating and saying he would constantly look at the data, but then subsequent to that he's just been absolutely absent, and and not changing anything, and it is again. I understand politicians have to be elected, which is a very hard factor and that the media pushes narrative that they want out drive a political outcome, but it is fascinating to me. How people even people who knew they should be? Data driven like police has totally walked from the data because it's showing a course of action that I. Don't think he wants to take, so he's deferring the decision. I and and what's the? What's the decision making framework articulate that if you're if you're if you communicate the decision making framework, this is from an executive down to the. Politicians to anybody communicate that decision making framework. This is how we are making this decision. When for mission comes in that changes, these parameters, we will have a different outcome or will maintain. Stay the course that way. Everybody knows what data were looking at, and we're going to update it. As new data comes in, and we can, we can we then collectively can can debate the decision making process instead of debating the outcome. Yeah, absolutely so if you could go back to your younger self, and you met yourself fifteen years ago in some sort of to the future Fun Fun time travel experiment. What advice would you give yourself that that would positively change? Something and I know it's a hard question because we talked about it before we went on air about your your child, who is six months old daughter, Sarah. Yeah Son and obviously you never want to change the family dynamic by making a different decision, but if you abandon those and you just told yourself. Hey, you need to think about this. What would you say? I would say. I at that point in my life underestimated the value or the social need of credentials. And I think that I would take that a touch more seriously. like today. I must be a charter holder, but I got that later. In my life we judge people whether the world as it is in the world is. I wanted to be an and I at that age which I think. Many young people do focus on the world. Is I want it to be? And I think that I would have been more receptive to the world as it is, and understanding it more in bridging that gap, a little bit better, so credentials is one example of that The other thing too is when I was young. I traveled quite a bit like I might in high school i. In essence snuck off to India. and Nepal is up, which is long story, but I stopped traveling from about two thousand until at least two thousand ten, and I think that that seeing a broader world I was very focused on career, but seen abroad world as much as possible that can be through travel through through meeting through our experiences with other people as a traitor and investor. We sat in a room with four people and kind of became kind of hit from the world. Because we have a strategic advantage, you become paranoid. Don't want anyone to know about it, so I think that I would loosen up those. Behaviors slightly as a young person. Now looks like now. you read a lot just based on your background? You certainly have a lot of books. and. You mentioned a couple of books in the in the show. What what are some really key books or things that you read that? Come to mind as as game changing for you sure I think one of them is a is a book called the success equation. It looks at basically outcomes, a skill versus luck in sports in markets in investing in those types of things, and I actually steal that lock and skill bucket component from that book or I learned it from them. He talks about a fascinating topic. Cold, the paradox of skill which I. I think everybody should learn about it. It's very insightful so that book I think changed the way that I think, and that's a great piece I. Think I mentioned it also super forecasting. It changed the way that I think about forecasting, the future and what that really means I think modern monopolies changed the way I think about businesses and strategy so so there's three there. There I could probably go on forever on Howard Marks I. Think is one of the greatest investment philosophers out there. He's part of Oak Tree. He writes regular memos. that are free on his website and I would. I would recommend anyone interested in investing to to read those Those memos I think that they're. They're very important. I? I totally agree, and actually it's funny that everyone talks about the Warren Buffett letters, and and again you talked about skippers. Luck in clearly, he's a very skilled investor so I don't take the Dave Portnoy view that buffets washed up, but I also think that you know. He started investing really post World War Two when Europe was rebuilding in America was building an economy without competition, and we were able to do things over the course of Warren. Buffett's career that I mean anyone. Anyone, my grandmother had bank stocks, and she just absolutely killed it. So you know obviously there's a lot of timing added to be the greatest investor ever in the wrong cycle like if you're an energy investor from two thousand fourteen to two thousand twenty. It's been really hard to to make your Bacon, but if you've been tech investor from two, thousand, Fourteen, two, thousand twenty. You've kind of done pretty okay. Yeah, yeah, and so did you make the decision to be a tech investor personal investor, or was that just assigned to you? Like. Did you look at the macro landscape and make that decision so Those factors come to play, too. I think one of the the clear advantages that Warren Buffett has had in its well documented is structural component has allowed him to take advantage of things that other people other investors were not able to take advantage of just because he didn't have inflows and outflows of capital. Do you think last question for you. Do you think based on your investment career that the energy that the investment game is rigged and the reason I? Say That is with the rise. Robin Hood and and the talking heads would certainly say there's a lot of momentum investing that's day trading and I remember it very clearly from one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, two thousand. Everyone thought they were an. An investment professional and you'd buy pets.com it. WOULD IPO we go up three hundred percent in you're brilliant, but the pain that came when that bubble burst was unbelievable so I'm curious what you think about you know. The the inside information and the skill involved in in large cap, investing that gives a distinct advantage, or is it just structural? Because you have so much money? You have opportunities. Other people don't have. Yeah I saw like insider. Information I think is less than it ever has been. I think there are structural advantages. People have for example if you WANNA trade. If you want to participate in the EMP opportunity retail can't through through debt so a retail investor just too small to participate there, so there's a structural issue on for Quantitative Trading scale matters, it certainly does now where it didn't maybe ten years ago structural. Doesn't mean that it's rigged and then like Ross in twenty, thirteen, twenty ten to twenty thirteen. the exchanges were creating in order type a day, so different order types allowed advantages that I think is an was manipulation, and certain people's benefit that has since dissipated. So. I don't know that I think that it's rigged per se but I think the there are certain structural advantages now this this alludes to one thing that I said before which is the paradox of skill, and as skill increases in any endeavor, so all the basketball players skill increases in the NBA versus college versus High School the standard deviation skill decreases, and what happens is luck or randomness becomes the bigger factor for outcomes now basketball, maybe not the best example, but it certainly is true with investing. As the skill and the information increases in the ability to analyze that information, randomness dictates outcomes more and I. think that's what we're probably seeing in public markets. That's part of why I left public markets. There is a in in private markets. There is information asymmetries, and there are many more advantages in this space for an investor to add alpha. Above market type returns whereas in public markets, the ability to add alpha is a very low, and it tends to be more structural than than insightful. That's that is a great way to end and I totally agree I think that especially in oil and gas, the private is the way to go, and regardless of how this evolves, certainly see one of the consolidations to be to see a lot of public companies actually go back to private, because the advantage of being public now with no access to capital markets is zero advantage to that and. So it'll be very interesting. David really enjoyed the today I. think some some really good thoughts on on data, and some books and I like the way you think through. Data and challenges in making a decision I think that that's really cool and I wish you all the best in in finding the next digital digitisation oilfield game changer, so thanks for joining us on the heartache of the day podcast. Yeah, thank you, but he was great to be on excellent. 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A Prayer for Loved Ones Far From God

Your Daily Prayer

05:13 min | 5 months ago

A Prayer for Loved Ones Far From God

"The prayer for loved ones far from god written by debbie mcdaniel. Read by elissa forsberg. If you abide in me and my words abide in you ask whatever you wish and it will be done for you john. Fifteen seven as believers we know are true. Hope is found. We're incredibly grateful for the love and forgiveness of christ we've been set free redeemed for his purposes and yet as most of us all know so very well not everyone shares a desire to walk close in stay connected to god which often leaves us with an ache deep inside the truth is many are lost still wondering searching or drifting farther away from god. God reminds us again and again. That prayer is powerful praying. God's word over those we love is speaking his truth over their lives as it builds our own faith a prayer for friends and loved ones who are far from god. Let us pray dear god. We're thankful that you know our hearts. You hear our prayers and you care about all that concerns us in q. That you understand these burdens we carry and how we want more than anything the see our love ones come to you. Help us to remember that you love them more than we ever could. And that you desire to extend your great love and forgiveness to the deepest part of their soul. We are forever grateful for your healing power. Fear gift of mercy and your message of hope. Thank you lord that nothing is too difficult for you. Thank you that your power is unlimited and you came to set the captive free. Thank you that you wait. Arms open for the product to return that you look for his arrival to lavishly celebrate that he's come home. We praise you for you. Our redeemer and rescuer savior and lord. We know and believe that. There's no pit so deep that your love can't reach us. Still we understand that your mercies are new every morning and your faithfulness is great dear. God we ask that you would stop every plan of the enemy over those we love as we bring them before you right now. We pray that you would demolish his schemes and that your plans for good for a future and hope would prevail. Please open up. Blind is that they may see your truth. We believe in you to rescue those walking in darkness and to heal the deep wounds of all who have been hurt. We pray for the miraculous intervention of your spirit. Draw them to yourself to work strongly on behalf to our loved ones who are lost and wandering for you came with good news to heal the brokenhearted to proclaim freedom for captives and release for the prisoners though he deserved penalty for a wrong. You stood in our place and took the blows on our behalf. You chose to die so that we can live forever and we could be free. Lord forgive our unbeliev. Please forgive the times. We've doubted that you could ever change a distant heart. Forgive or hard heartedness or weariness or forgetfulness to pray continually and thank you. God that you never give up on us. Remind us again. How you've changed our own hearts. How your miracle of life and hope has sprung up deep within our souls. We love you lord. We need you today and every day we thank you that you hear our prayers and believes that you are at work even now powerfully faithfully and miraculously. Doing what only you can do. Thank you again for the most wonderful gift of our savior dodd with us. Thank you for your great goodness and love in. Jesus name amen

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Ascent Energy Ventures | David Forsberg on Oil and Gas Startups

Oil and Gas Startups Podcast

42:50 min | 1 year ago

Ascent Energy Ventures | David Forsberg on Oil and Gas Startups

"This is the oil and gas startups. Podcast where we showcase emerging technology in the stories of industry founders investors in leaders with your host Jay Corley and Colin Macleod. What is going on wildcatters? This week we sat down with David. Forsberg with a cent energy ventures. We dove into his fifteen years of experience. Point CAPITAL INTO INVESTMENTS. And how he's leveraging experienced to invest into oiling gas tech startups. Now we haven't had too many venture capital on the show lately so it was pretty refreshing and a lot of fun for us to record really quickly before we get into the episode. This episode is brought to you by top. Tell and we are super excited to partner with these guys. We don't know what top talent is. Top Tau is an exclusive network of top freelance software developers designers finance experts product managers project managers in the world. So it's different about top tells the rigorous screening process and white glove matching service. Help you find exactly what you're looking for. Hiring top talent is always a challenge. It's hard to find the right people for the job. In time for important projects for new startups time is of the essence. And Trust me when I say you can't afford to make any bad. Hires finding the right people to help you turn your vision into a reality is probably the hardest part of running a startup but Tuazon just for startups. It's also used by one of the biggest companies in the world. So if you're looking for some freelance help With your latest project or WanNa hire some of the basket. Shakeout top talent. We put a referral link in the show notes. To help you get started or just reach out to us directly and we'll put you in touch. It was going to walk out as welcome back to another episode called. Who got today? We Got David Forsberg from Senate Energy Ventures David. What's going on Man? Nothing great to be here. Yeah you're you're based on a Denver. Rain correct okay. He came in town for Sarah Week. And then Sarah we got cancelled and so now he's here for a little but at least you're not GonNa Croon virus from Sarah. We correct healthy so now. He's taking his actually in the news today. I mean this is GonNa be a little bit goes out but South by South West actually cancelled their conference to current virus but the CEO came out today and said this hurt them so bad that they don't know if people survive and come back next year. Well I imagine I mean think. About how much money and time company? That's your business right a week before. I mean same with Sarah Week a week before you announce that you're canceling it. I mean I imagine. The ramifications are devastating for that took the the cost to a ten times the number of attendees and I think it's like forty plus million dollars of revenue that I just misses from Sierra Leone. Just gone just gone not including any other expense. That's crazy well so now you hear a little mini vacation The the flight and hotel wasn't refundable so you thought you'd come take vacations so so tell us a little bit about energy ventures and what you guys are doing and then we'll dive into your background a little bit sure were a venture capital fund focused on companies that are asset light in the energy technology space focused on digital an automated technology stack We we do oil and gas Enter Traditional Energy We also do next Jenny. Energy or look at deals from there and the water energy nexus so those are kind of our three sub silos cool so obviously no oiling. Gas Starves podcasts. We interface with a lot of companies We've had several what. Bc's have we had Andrzej. We've had blueberries comment. I think it's blue bear Donovan Ventures Donovan okay. But you're the first one we've had in a while. I was thinking to myself I was like me. And our people just dodging us do not want to get on the show. Yeah we haven't had a lot of capital guys on here so this'll be actively pursuing them to and you know who you are reaching out to like five different firms. And they're like yeah. We live with the do hugh supporters and. I'm like come on the show. And it's crickets. They're scared to continue their sit. There shy maybe people listen to the podcast about two billion so David. Let's start at the genesis of your career in oil and gas you know. How did you get an oil and gas? How'd you get into energy? Start there sure. So I grew up in Denver I e went to the University of Colorado eventually moved to Chicago and worked for a gentleman named Jill Ritchie. Joe is a famous investor and he ran the largest options trading firm in the world for a period of time called. Chicago research and trading. Very Interesting Guy. Very Smart Guy. How'd you end up I'm a Guy I met in. Denver started working for him in. Brought me out there okay. And so with Joe It was a great experience. We developed our called Execution Algorithms so algorithms to buy and sell US equity stock so a mutual fund says I want to buy a million shares of IBM. It would come to US soon. Algorithm would go into the market and by that order we built that from zero to about one hundred million shares day of business and was white labeled by most of Wall Street and so that business was eventually sold to a firm called sunguard exist today we then said Hey. We're pretty good at building. These execution algorithms that's build Investment Algorithms. So we started a team of about four of US started building investment algorithms. And we did well. We manage those from about two thousand seven to twenty thirteen from there. I had an opportunity to when I was in college. I intern for this secretary of energy. Spencer Abraham and I always was interested in intrigued by energy markets in fact our our public portfolio of longshore Investment Algorithms which is about one hundred million dollars was predominantly oil gas stocks. So I'd met a senior policy adviser. They're named Wade Murphy. His grandfather founded Murphy Oil. And so I started a little company so I started working with him at his family office. Would g moved from Eldorado Arkansas Denver and we had a small made CON Company and Small emp companies stuff. That didn't fit in the Murphy. Oil Company went public in nineteen fifty two and so really interacted and that was my first real direct experience in oil and gas. We developed our investment thesis in about twenty sixteen seventeen trends that I saw In the automation of financial markets were coming to industrial sectors and particularly in P and so we decided to redeploy some capital to the energy technology sector. We call it tech catting so similarity And that's how we really got started in started investigating companies and really refining our investment thesis around twenty seventeen and In July Separated that was called source rock energy ventures and in July separated and launched a cent energy ventures. We talk a little bit about and two thousand sixteen this timeframe when you're seeing the AUTOMATION OF FINANCIAL MARKETS. And then you wanted to take those same technologies apply them to industrial applications. Can you kind of unpack that a little bit? You know what are some? What are some examples when you talk about you know automation and financial markets and the synergies that you see between that and energy he? I don't see synergies but I see trends. And the trends are that you need to do more with less. And all of these industries across the board or starting to adopt these things and other industries financial markets media airlines are far more down that path than the industrial sectors in. There are a number of reasons for that and specifically oil gas and so in twenty and twenty fourteen. Call Two Thousand Fifteen As we know crude oil prices fell from over one hundred to less than thirty and over a relatively short period. Time at one hundred dollars a barrel. There's zero incentive to get efficiency gains at forty dollars a barrel. There's huge incentive to start looking around and adopting efficiency gains other trends in the space. Were there's a generational shift. It's often called the great crew change. And there's a general change in from pushing away technology to pulling four technology so those kind of macro trends were or influencing the oil and gas sector. The oil sector describes itself is the least digitally advanced sector in the world. Okay behind the Public Sector. And so there's huge opportunity to just get up to parity let alone advance. It's also happens to be the global feedstock of the economy everything that we do takes energy and so there's opportunities there from a global cataracts. There's money there to become digitally advanced and I think that the timing is just uniquely positioned for the sector. I got into it a few years ago with the guy from. Ibm on the very topic of companies aren't incentivized one hundred dollars oil to become more efficient and adopt new technologies and lower price environments encourage that and he said No. That's not how it is at all said. This doesn't make sense. I mean when you have an oil company and you have a hundred dollar oil say fuck. It will drill another oilwell exactly that. They're not worried about new technology. So I think he's really correlated that okay. Two Thousand Fifteen two thousand sixteen. You've started to see this rise in digital technology technology since that point to say how can we become more efficient and scale across our assets without increasing our GNA. The answer is through digital technologies right. So yeah that's Any no we're we're starting to obviously oil. Prices have crashed here this week on Sunday. Going down to thirty dollars and you start to see it again. I mean we're we've already been operating a low price environment and then you have twenty five percent reduction in commodity prices in the only way to operate these assets. Is You have to become more efficient. You have to do more with less than I I would. I would venture to put my money on most team. Peasley that I've interfaced have probably more barrels of oil in their data cabinets or file cabinets per se from the data that they already have rather than on the ground right neither leases currently and so. There's a lot of things that you can do. Different technologies that you can deploy especially when he comes just a basic data management with these guys have no clue how to manage data properly and for some reason also on top of that. It seems like every I don't know see mid cap and above oil and Gas Company. Thinks that they're also a software development firm. Yeah raw totally different cultures right there. There's so in the oil and gas space and rightfully so it's an engineering culture of zero failure. We cannot fail whereas the technology space is a totally different culture smaller budgets smaller operating teams. Where fail fast is more of the mantra and those cultural shifts do not exist together within the same company if you are an emp company and you want to devolve a bunch of technology the best way to do is create a separate entity or a separate group that is not underneath the same cost structure at the same ethos as major impey company. Yeah let's talk about some really basic things. This is not even having to talk with oil and gas specific applications. Let's talk about basic stuff that organization should have you know we've stood up a few different companies and there's always like this toolbox that we go to first thing being slack. We ever seen any slack. I've seen one ever. I would believe that. Yeah so if he doesn't know what slackest lack of communication if you guys are communicating internally via email at any of your company's. You're wrong okay interesting. When I went to an adventure everything was done through email. All communication was done through email. And there's this old man his name is Jerry and and Jerry had to be sixty five seventy years old and he was the one guy championing for we need an instant messaging system. He said I've been trying to tell these guys. We need some type of messaging system and they won't get when they do it all through email and it's like even basic things like that and it's it's it's so simple but it's so powerful because now you go from being completely all over the place with email to having structured chats with everybody internally so it's not slack it's or it's Microsoft teams so if you guys are listening and you don't have that organization start asking asking around or poisoning like that second thing would be. I think most companies don't even have anything to capture what I would consider to be your knowledge graph right so we've used a tool called notion and this is like the company wicky this. This includes log into SAS tools this includes processes and procedures. This includes how to do this and how to do that. This is basic no taking. I've seen this time and time again. You go sit with an engineer and all of his notes or essentially on paper which is great. I have a notebook in front of me and I take notes on paper too but a lot of that knowledge when you were talking about the Greek crew change completely disappears whenever these guys retire. Yeah correct and how to do their jobs. And why did you change out the ESPN on well? Abc Out in this field. We don't know we have no clue right. So communication needs to be sped up the knowledge. These actually be captured somewhere. What else what else. We Missing Colin. I don't know probably a lot like they didn't even have. Crm A lot of them. Don't even have crm exactly like a crm platform for you know a well. Yeah bike think about it. You can go pull up one and you can see the life history. You can see everything that's happened that well that that would be extremely valuable. Absolutely David Robinson was the first one that I've actually seen on the side that used a seer am for deal flow and so they put everything to come in. They would evaluate the deals. They put it in a certain status is all the communications tracked around that deal. And that's how they were able to actually do things remotely. I've never seen that another EP. Hire more people has always been the solution and that that is changing the the the other two. I think everybody needs to realize. Is that people talk. These these buzzwords terms machine learning and AI. Okay there's just there's just toss aside for right now and they just look at the technology stack that enables machine learning and insights from there and we have to make that investment in the technology stack first before you can start moving that direction and in financial markets. The data comes in as numbers. It's it's highly digitized before you even start doing any sort of algorithm or machine learning on it and and it just doesn't happen that way so we have to start developing the technology stack and getting the information in the door so that it can be analyzed gain insights from right now We don't even do that. Data for machine learning to work you have to have clean data sets it works in very isolated incidents something such as like ambiance bill to where they are also the data source themselves and the people to do some machine learning on how optimize Whatever the lift system may be right. It's different when you're dealing with something. Say like production data where you're relying on. Maybe maybe escape system but really most impeach. Don't really have any kind of reliable systems. You're relying on manual input from pumpers. Who are going out there. Gauging tanks reading meters. Faffing the stuff in and you're expecting machine learning to come in and tell you some crazy insights on something. That's probably not true or accurate in the first place yeah and a PDF is not a digital format. That was probably the worst is because this company from Israel reached out to me the other day. I don't want to put their name but I think it's called air by aerobatics and Jake and I had this idea. Listen to the sound fucking crazy. At the time I talked about in the podcast. Find somewhere but you know we had these little stripper wells up in Oklahoma and so we weren't able to go check on them every day and you know we had an old man pumper that we paid very little money too and it always seemed like our wells were down and we weren't aware of it and we're like how cool would it be if you had an automated drone in had its own little garage out on the lease and every day it would deploy and it would take a video process it as a gift and then transmit it back to you so you could see. Hey My salt water disposal will is down the pumps on operating or this pump. Jacks not turned on exclude central. Well yeah you know what I mean like this? Why can you do with a drone that was completely automated so this company hits me up and I think their last round of funding was thirty million? And they've designed this box and the drone comes out goes in runs its mission it can change its own battery inside the box depending on the mission that it's deployed for and so I sent it to one of my buddies and my hey check this out. He's a salt water disposal operators. I check this out. It's pretty cool. He's like Oh that looks cool. He's but call me old school. Just run with my pumpers. Like I know who I'm telling you this drone he can do it for you Raj. Yeah so that's a hurdle to adoption but I think that the people who have that kind of attitude in general will fall behind compound capital less than their peers. And next thing you know They'll look around and say how did they get so far advanced they had they by so many more assets how they operate so many more assets with thirty percent less headcount. How does that happen? And it's because they adopt or open to adoption of these small technology solutions. Here's a few million dollars in free consulting so if you're an N. P. O. Fast Company if you want to look at your any of your process where data comes from find out where really really comes from in whose hands it actually passes through and then figure out a way that you can automate that because you don't need to hire more people just manipulate in clean data and put things into an accounting system. You don't in creed. So David what technologies are you really looking at in oil and gas base that get you excited and then are you guys? Are you solely focused on upstream? Are you looking for solutions? All the way through the process midstream downstream he. I think that we're we're looking through the entire process. And so if I if I say what we're looking in terms of getting two more machine learning and more digital energy industry we're looking at the beginning stages which is gathering data so that In the field is Iot maybe at your your drone company for example. But it's IT'S GATHERING DATA. The next is processing that data and putting cleaning it up making sure it's clean and Making sure that it's a language or a an ability for different data fees to interact. Then it is taking that and developing models that you can make data driven decision from from unique data feeds. And then it's from those models start automating decision making and then from there. It's it's trying to develop unique insights and make better business decisions so anything that sits in that technology stack. I'm I'm deeply interested in. So some of that may not at the beginning side of it may not be as digital as a pure digital play but it contributes to that analogy stack dot you and you know what what stage of companies are you guys looking for. I mean are we looking early stage? Cedo we look in something more around series you know. Something's got a million dollars in annual revenue. What are we looking at? So the alphabet soup starts to get a little confusing but we call it first institutional capital. So you are. The the company has been created It sprays money from friends and family if needed from angels or seeds and then we're coming in traditionally series a bus For majority of our capital going to growth and small amount going to more Are Indira Operations. Got You and you know. There's not a lot of VC's in in the space you know specific to specific to oil and gas. That's the opportunity. Yeah so let's talk about that a little bit. Let's talk about you identifying opportunity. Kind of your thesis behind it. I'm interested. It's probably less than five firms. That are focused on not only willing gasp but specifically digital. There's a whole bunch. Focus on offense companies right but like you. The cottonwood guys. Blue Bear but blueberries very specific to supply chain and then a whole lot more in the renewable side as well read teams raising around right now. That's yeah that's that's pretty much it. Yeah yeah I I think. The capital providers are few and far between. And that's part of the opportunity is capital alligator. There are two ways to improve returns for investors. The first way is to have skill and we can talk about how that gets developed as an investor. The second way is to play if you're playing poker. Play at a table with less skilled players or in the investments based less capital chasing deals is another allergy Analogy there so yeah. I think the opportunity is is great. Many of the capital providers that some of whom you just listed are kind of moving upmarket. They're they're raising larger funds. So they're just GONNA have trouble deploying in the space where I plan to sit and so Traditional Silicon Valley doesn't really participate in the space for. I think two primary reasons. The first is a bias against traditional energy and the second is lack of expertise in the space So yeah there's an investment opportunity for the time being because of that is funny so If you've never been rice holds the rice alliance energy. Tech Forum every single year. It's it's grown year over year it's fabulous. It's a great event so hats off to Rice for putting them together. I I've been there for at least last five or six years and number. Whenever I was pitching I was trying to raise some money back in the day. My question to all of the VC's at have into everybody in here has money. Why do I want to work with you? So what would your answer be to any of the startups that are like man I should? I should reach out even on the hospital. I know you reverse pitch. I think it comes down to personality. Fit is one issue. Who Do you want to get married to? Because once we're invested were were married until the end of this event or someone buys us out so I think that that is is a key metric so there's personality fit there's also evaluation fit. There's a vet their. Where do we sit they are we are we valuing you appropriately and a high valuation is not always a good thing and a low valuation is in good thing. An accurate one is the best. And there's the network and other interactions that are important so those factors are valuable And I think that we we are good at all of those from an investor standpoint. We have family office background experience. We have emp experience and probably the only one in the space that has deep investment experience like making investment decisions were returned matters and The automation of an industry. So we can help guide you and and provide advice on automation and other things like that. A lot of time boundaries are just chasing a cheque right. They don't think about who. The investor is huge mistake. Yeah huge mistake right. And I've made that mistake taking money from investors that I should have taken money from. It's very important to look at an investor especially institutional B. C. And say okay. What can they provide outside of just capital in so all those things that you just provided? Whether it's experience contacts help business development you know just someone to go to a sounding board. Those are all very important things now from your side. What do you look for in found her sweaty? Look for an team. What's important to you? In assessing a opportunity. I think what's important is deep passion for the space and they've already demonstrated that in many ways by simply taking the risk of starting a company guy so so some of that is covered. It's easier to say what I don't look for so I don't look for multiple time. Funders founders. Excuse me so I don't care if you've funded a company six times and had successes in fact. I almost shy away from that. This dive into this a little bit because I saw some people talking about this on twitter and especially in Silicon Valley. This is an important thing right. Multiple Times founder. Oh they've had a previous exit but it doesn't matter if you've had multiple successes are exits the risk of businesses. Always there right and so does that. Should that really carry that much weight that you're multiple time founder? I think that the experience and wisdom definitely carries weight. But should it be a end all thing and you're saying no you're saying you you don't care. There was actually a company in the news this week. I think it was called. Atrium and Austin where the founder was just in Con- who founded Justin Dot TV and fold it completely fully. There is like seventy million or something and for him it was he you know he had done it multiple times. He had exited multiple times but he went into a vertical that was completely unknown to him. Yeah and I think they were trying to completely disrupt the space without fully understanding space. I and respect to him. You know for taking a chance failures always. There's always a chance of failure right so he asked so. We are very focused on data driven decision. Making it's it's our process. Investment is very important to us. And I think it's been proven out over the last fifteen years in that particular. Category of multi time founders. The data does not support that they have any higher success ratios in fact they have lower success ratios so I think that's one piece. The other is a a a quick story here there. In the nineteen twenties there was a guy and he sent out fifty thousand cards. And it said the stock will go up and the other twenty thousand so tw- half of it went to people to this. Stock will go up on such such date. The other half said it would go down and such a such stock went up so that twenty five thousand people. He sent another car two and half of them said the stock will go up. The stock will go down on such and such date. Stock went down so he then sent to those that half he sent another car and it said same exact thing and so what happened was he had three thousand five thousand people whatever. The number is who thought that he had predicted accurately three events And the reality is he hadn't and so that's part of it too is. Just there's there's a luck component to success especially as an entrepreneur and there's a skill component as well so sometimes to to confuse those two and to think that a multi time founder is simply skilled is inaccurate survivorship bias right correct match people this all the time like. I can't look anyone in the eyes and tell them like yeah. I went and quit my job in two thousand eighteen. I had a wife three kids. I quit my job to pursue something that I wanted to do in a worked out for me. I can't look someone in the eyes and tell them. Hey you should do that same. Exact thing. Because I'm very cognizant of the fact that it doesn't always work like that you know you never hear the stories of people failing you only hear the stories of success success stories so yet to be cognizant of the fact that you're always there. Yeah the data shows that sixty percent of venture backed companies go to zero they return zero on Capitol. So if you need to start with that as your baseline sixty percent of venture backed companies will go to. We expect that in our portfolio and we will adjust it based on certain factors. But that's our starting point. Yeah so that's that's also interesting to. Do you want to dive into that? A little bit you know when you start with a baseline like hey sixty percent of opportunities are GonNa fail and our portfolio. How do you guys you know I? I've heard a lot of angels. The Look Okay if I can make twenty twenty placements in early seed companies and I get to that end up taking off. You know it offsets all the losses and that's where they make their gaining or you can look at someone like Jason Callahan. Is You know talks about this. You know had Uber Robin Hood Recipes. Robinhood they've been going through some hard times the less you're not familiar robinhood. They're platforms been crashing. In Times of heavy a market activity over the last couple of weeks across the street were delayed on Monday Monday. Morning might trader friends. They were all delayed their Bloomberg terminals. Everything was delayed. So Robin Robin Hood Crash. Though the platform crash who wasn't just market delays at the actual platform crashed four times over the last two weeks louaize. So they've been going through some hard times. But you know when you look at that you know when you look at constructing a portfolio. How how do you guys look at this? I mean are you looking at? Hey we WANNA get twenty high quality opportunities in here and we hope you know for to take off. Yeah so I think traditional Silicon Valley the way that it has evolved recently. Take a shotgun approach and part of that is because you just don't know which one's going to be successful and so you have one success out of a hundred than that pays for the entire portfolio and gives you returns at a thousand times accident. Uber because something like five percent of all funded companies are the ones that end up doing. Well so the one way to do that is to just take a shot and all of them. What we've done in part of the reason why we're focused company is that we said okay. Let's look at some sector opportunities and we think that the opportunity is best in the traditional energy sector for venture capital so we are going basically in one sense. We're short rest of venture capital in long specific sector opportunities. I think there are other opportunities in other sectors as well. We just think this is one of the best for the factors that I think I mentioned earlier. So we've already filtered and we think that there's a higher potency of success here These don't and we don't expect them to be home runs. None of these are GonNa be thousand x returns. In fact in our analysis we cap them at fifteen times. Return so that way. We can't make bets like traditional Silicon Valley Right now is making. Pascale wage tight bats where the payout is so huge that you can justify anything at the beginning and so that's one of the ways that we're we're looking at things that models also falling apart out too. I mean look the the pumping up private companies and then dumping on the market the IPO is dried up. Just it's dried up. It's not working in. So how do you you know? Companies have actually lower the right peo- expectations by like three-quarters poke got to valuation matters probability of success matters and so we will have a slightly more concentrated portfolio of fifteen to eighteen companies we reserved a large percentage of our fund for fall on investment. So those that we think are most likely given to succeed. Given the timing of needing to to deploy that capital we will invest in them. And that's how we think that we can add additional portfolio Alpha. Got You so you know moving in to two thousand twenty. Obviously a lot of change over the last few days with pricing. But what are you most excited to see in the space in terms of technology you know? Is there anything like really kind of drives you that get you excited? Try Not to be excited. So as an investor it's best not to be level headed I think So the pricing environment creates stress and through stress is win innovation gets adopted. And so I think that I'm excited for the digital space looking out ten years and I think the opportunities over the next three to five years. I'm GONNA be great and the industry is GonNa look completely different ten years from now and there are a number of factors at play for that and and but the main one is price. The other is balance sheets and and capital structure is going to have. You're going to see some restructuring see some consolidation and I think that those companies that adopt a more digital mentality or point to really thrive and suddenly there's GonNa be a lot of aggressive following so we sat down with Alan Gilmer and Mark Porridge to dive deep into embarrasses acquisition of q engineering a few weeks ago in so one thing that we dove into was that whenever I first came into space seventy years ago not many people really actually exiting because there was really no path for them to exit and that's really changed with inverse becoming this big behemoth a lot of money from Gin star backing them. Now they've made a ton of acquisitions over the past few years. How are you guys thinking about the acquisition landscape for exits for potential portfolio companies? Get great question. Something that changes on a daily a quarterly basis. So that's one accent is the private equity company that comes in provides capital to whatever drilling fell and says go acquire these at four times revenue with the public mortgage paying seven times revenue. That's basically what they're doing because they've changed their name they've rebranded they're going public here in the next twelve to twenty four months. I ASSUME IS THE PLAN. And so that's one exit. Another exit is private equity companies that need these portfolio these companies for their portfolio companies. Because these offer these companies eventually offer a strategic advantage. The next is some of these. Companies get rolled up Someone creates a private equity entity to simply by these. The third is the oilfield service companies which I think are less probable. The final or one of the final is Public markets which I think is a lower probability. But we'll see where it ends up and then there's one I guess final is at emp companies possibly will buy these These companies because they do some of them will offer a strategic advantage. Imagine if this you say. Ambient is is hugely profitable for a company if you have thousands of wells. Why wouldn't you just go buy them up? And keep the product yourself as a major strategic advantage of something you producing twenty thirty percent more in your walls. It's really interesting. All those all those points because I look at office in a look at what? Weatherford stewing and WEATHERFORD has some software that it's actually very impressive. That would not expect. Weatherford to produce shows minoshe. Yeah SHOTS MANOJ OVER THERE. Weatherford in I look at what they're doing in you know they sell. They sell all their pressure. Pumping UNITS IN TWO THOUSAND SEVENTEEN. Really Start Scaling back. Their traditional oilfield services is really. Almost you know they've got automated casing cruise to where you only have to send out one guy to offering unit instead of ten and is really bike there becoming a digital service company and so. It's I've always thought about that. Mike would it make sense for an o? F. As company to start acquiring digital technologies and position themselves as a digital text service company absolutely. I think it's I think it's very very smart to do so. I think everybody's kind of posturing to doing the same thing like some regime's been saying they're gonNA they're gonNA be services over the last year slumber Jay's I'm talking some smaller players here the slumbers as of the world. They're probably not going to be digital. Innovators in the space of just there's just too much sunk cost in culture and Historical legacy in other spaces and and this oilfield services the traditional Somber Jai business model where most of their revenue comes from is correlated with production. Casey you're you're going out. You're drilling wells. Digital Services is not correlated with production drilling wells for the most part so in fact. I think they're slightly negatively correlated to commodity price and drilling activity depending on the technology. So I think there's just there's too many and issues for those majors to adopts all of this technology they'll try and buy some but it won't be a core piece of their business to move. Reverend these these digital technology companies have revenue call it sub thirty million dollars. That doesn't move the needle for anyone. Slumber J. Yup. Yeah and I don't know if you guys saw. Barclays came out with an eighty page report focusing on the big three in an oilfield services. And it's eight pages long and it says the space is going to evolve to a five billion dollar of revenue today to thirty billion of revenue. Next within five years. They think it will result in three dollars. A barrel margin improvement with over one hundred fifty billion dollars in savings to the MP company so we think there might be even underestimating that but it's a five year. Prediction doesn't even a decade prediction. There's a major step change that's going to occur you absolutely and back to the point you know of MP's being a potential acquisition Target I thought about that a lot to make so much sense just like you said the ambiance producing all his value for an emp. The P. Nudges acquire them. But I think that comes back to you. Look at the company and they say we'll are ceiling is way higher than what this. Emp can afford you know say that the MP just throw some numbers you know any impedes. Okay you know will choir you for twenty million dollars but this tech companies as a how. We think that we can schedule as to one hundred million dollars over the next three years so then you have that that opportunity cost component. That goes into it as well. So does it make sense for a tech company to sell out to emp or try to capture the market as a whole so. Yeah those those variables to in makes it kind of a complex situation but I mean it makes perfect sense for knee impeded. Go that route in acquire people. I just don't know if it's realistic yet. May Not be but I I think one of the Lars P companies is yet to be founded. And it's going to be a digital focus. Company AGREE CHOIR ASSETS. That are distressed. And it's going to operate them with fifty percent less headcount and Have far more production. So let's get into a little bit of a controversial topic. We've said that the most innovation is probably going to come from within the industry as opposed to people from Silicon Valley coming in bringing technology here and in completely destroyed one of these guys. David wasn't willing guests. I mean no. He came from financial markets. So and then I had side five years of experience. Yeah but you're right yes so I think it would jake's corner with the question is you know from your your point of view. I think lot of digital solutions and oil and gas. You'RE GONNA come from the Silicon Valley types or are they gonna come from the oil and gas types that build a solution and there's always exceptions to the rule there are some exceptional Silicon Valley company to come in and done some great things. But I'm curious in your take on what you think the next five years ago. So I think it depends on the technology. So it's huge scale technology say cloud computing that kind of thing flex computing is coming from. Silicon Valley. Yeah just as the other is specific Applications to EMP will probably come from within There are a couple of reasons for that. The first is that in two thousand fifteen. A large percentage of the employees or a good percent were let go and they had two choices go to starbucks or start a company and so a lot of them started companies and we saw a lot of them numerically. A lot of companies come out of that that disruption So I think that's where they will come. The other is Enp is a unique culture and so- selling into emp requires some knowledge of that culture. I will say this though most industries and ENP falls under this category. Think that no one from outside of their industry can disrupt them. Yeah and that is wrong so if you think that. Silicon Valley isn't gonNA come after it if there's enough capital there or an opportunity there. I think you're wrong. It may take them a little longer to gain and get get up to speed but they will come good answer like it. So David foy wrapped up if startups are listening and they want to reach out to you. They WANNA find you. How can they? How can they get in contact with you? How can they send you their pitch? Yeah I I'm on Lincoln website I'M HAPPY TO GIVE OUT MY E. Mail was a what's the website it's a sent. E V Dot Com. It's okay so a cent. Ev Dot COM INFO at essent E. DOT COM my e mails deforest Bergot essent AV DOT COM. Okay awesome so we'll include all that information the show notes so if you want to reach out to David Film more than welcome to bombard his email with please dealers decks so creases deal flow ideas. Come from all places were more controversial question. Because we've been talking anymore. It seems that in Silicon Valley for so long all. Vc's out they were seeing your pitch decks should be like less than ten slides. You like you you WANNA pick. That's ten or do you want to go on business plan. So my pitch deck is twenty-seven slide. Surf I say I want ten. I'm Kinda Yeah. My thought is that you need to have the appropriate sized deck for the complexity of the subject covering and Silicon Valley's behavior as V. C is to go over things very quickly. You have thirty minutes to two of our time. We're going to review it. Then so we don't grab us with a ten slide deck moving on and and that's because they're looking much more broadly they'll take it from any taken idea from any industry as an industry focused and we have a little bit more Expertise and focus too reviews lauder decks. I guess that's my general response. The appropriate number one hundred percent agree. Great question agree. Answer both of you guys so go check out. Dave and energy vendors he actually has a really great newsletter That actually read this morning. They threw this. This is good newsletter. So were they subscribe on the website? The website and I will add. You goes out to a number of people and It's more just general thoughts And we try to highlight at least one energy tech company but yeah I appreciate it so go take guys. Hope you enjoyed the episode. This was a lot of fun for me. We haven't NBC's in Awhile so looking to do a whole lot more than this. You guys knew who you are. Been dodging me. I'm GONNA get together. Whoa catchy gas on the next episode.

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David Forsberg Has a Plan | Tripping Over The Barrel

Oil and Gas Startups Podcast

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David Forsberg Has a Plan | Tripping Over The Barrel

"Welcome to tripping over the barrel unique personalities within the oil and gas industry in the stories they have to share with your host and lead storytellers t lo and dr function stein. Forsberg muscles his way towards the goal score guy we have on. Yeah we got forsberg jersey on everything. Wow so david. I mean you tell me right. You grew up in denver. How awesome was peter forsberg at his peak. He one of the best hockey players of all time in a pleasure to watch. So you watch your uncle. Or i think technically like his family stayed in sweden and my family left sweden and at that point in eighteen sixty three we were like cousins user slightly much larger six foot. Four two hundred forty pound cousin. Guess genetics on his side. Maybe not better intelligence. We're gonna get into that today. Certainly doesn't know as much about oil and gas. I'm willing to venture but no i mean you you grew up. We're close in age so that would have been your the when the avalanche were the real deal right. I mean you had sack and forsberg and all those dudes that must have been awesome to share a name with the denver legend while you were growing up in denver yet was i graduated from high school here. At regis jesuit in two thousand and so it was a great era to be to be here. I love avalanche games. I've got a few daughters and assange man they love it. They love going to hockey games. I think it's their favorite sport to see live. Maybe because it's like they play soccer so there are some similarities the offsides and some of that but they always request. They're like we wanna go see the avalanche to me. Hockey is one of the game. The sport if you see it in person. It's so much better than than on. Tv texan who never sees hockey right. Never been too many hockey matches when you watch it on the ice and you act. It's just not chaos like it looks like on tv. There's plays and people organize the people who are down the is or doing things set up or something else that you just don't see on tv as well so great about. It'd be an in person totally so david did you. Did you grow up going. Any of those Epic games against the red wings. And all that were you too busy. Finalizing your business plans twenty five years later for your energy tech venture startup. Well yeah. I definitely went to a bunch of games. It's funny you say that my call. It roommate called me. Alex p keaton so the i used to ask games all the time. Actually i love going. That's awesome so we've got david forsberg on ladies and gentlemen. Maybe we should have introduced that earlier. David is somebody who i love this story so it was super exciting to me. David is at petro. D e f for about a year pretty short period of time and the company was looking for some investment. Right maybe the bridge loan or a series b and david and his group came in this. Is i think with your with your pass job and just had some of the best questions that i've seen any investor haven't had occurred to me. It's like well first of all. This isn't just a finance dude. He understands the industry. But also you could see right through my bullshit responses. Anytime had to answer so i literally lit up like a christmas tree. Despite being you know more of a minora type and was super pump. Dave reached out. He's like man. Let's go get some lunch. Let's have a conversation and we sat down. He's like. This has nothing to do with petro. Deep but i have tons of ambition tons of passion for this industry and if i take over an energy tech company would you have interest in running sales and i'm like i am the luckiest guy ever. Unfortunately david were waiting for you to take over that company so ya find me the company in the capital. And we'll do it. I might have one for. You should just podcast now now so david one of the things. That always intrigued and i should. I should qualify since then. David and i have become friends. He's he's had a kid. I've got a bunch of young children and really have enjoyed kind of following david's path. In fact one of the david ramsey would podcast. that are really enjoyed. Was the one that you came on. And i really listened to that whole session actually watch that session and thought man somebody would have paid good money to see these two dudes talk the level of expertise that both of you had the direction that you're able to take it and here. We are the lucky guys that could have both on our podcast over. The course of a few weeks is cool. I wanna talk a little bit about. Not just your upbringing here in denver. But then get sort of your store you. You went off to college right. I believe see you and then got into the trading world which is a little bit different certainly have a great background and energy but once you give us your story david sure yeah. I grew up in colorado for the most part After university i went to a chicago where i worked for a well. Known investor named joe ritchie and we began developing execution algorithms for institutional order flow So when janice funds or fidelity wants to buy a million shares of ibm they would send it to us and we would go out in the market with an algorithm and fill that order for them and so we we built that up over years and then a couple years into that We said hey. We're pretty good building. These algorithms that's build some investment algorithms so four of us went to the other end of the building and kind of formed a skunk works created a these investment algorithms that ran up to one hundred million dollars long short from about two thousand six until two thousand thirteen at which time I had an opportunity. I met a gentleman at when i was interning at the department of energy for secretary spencer abraham and he was a policy advisor and his family owned or founded grandfather founded a very large mp company and he was taking over his family office. And so i started working for him and We add in. Emp company focused on the mid con region as well as royalties in minerals portfolio and then Family office type stuff in real estate and other private investments and in twenty fifteen we kind of started looking around to decide whether we could really add alpha or opportunity in the emp space. Given the shift that had occurred into more capital intensive horizontal drilling programs. And we kind of decided that we didn't bring a lot to the table there and so we decided to liquidate or emp assets or many of them and refocus on a trend of digitalization automation. Things that i'd seen in the financial industry and been kind of the tip of the spear act ten years prior and we decided there was that opportunity so we began a investing in energy technology companies and looking at the industry. And that's kinda how. I ended up in Now here with the essential energy ventures that that is doing the same thing in companies that are leading to a more digital automated energy industry. So definitely wanna dig into that here in a minute. But i'm going through your linked profile whenever you're into go into other industries there's a whole new language. There's a whole word here that i've never heard before. So developed and manage automated quantum mental equity strategies. What the heck is quantum mental. Is that a real word. You guys make that up or to slap some things there. It is a relatively new term. When i was In the quantitative space you know it. It was only quantitative. But what's happened as they're usually oil in oil in water the quantitative groups and then the fundamental group which is different ways of analyzing securities and coming to valuations conclusions. Making investments have There are some some that have merged and realize that the opportunity is between systematic processes combined with human individual decision making. And that's really what quanta mentally so it's quantitative and fundamental investments so where analytics mutes experience kinda like that if you if you look at The algorithms machine learning and decision making four say chess the the algorithm crushes a human being and always always does or nine out of ten times and so the way to crush the algorithm when a human being even of mediocre skill combines with algorithms and systems to make better decisions and it's that combination that beats the algorithm and the individual highest skilled player. So that's kind of what is that is awesome. So i think that's where chat the chess trash-talking comes in right. So you've got the algorithms you've got everything go on and you can get under the other guys skin and just really drive it home. So that's that's gotta be what it is. Yeah take trash talkers on here. Yeah yeah so. David i love it right. I like your background. And then of course. We sat down on like i one of two things. I've sat down with investors finance guys who say we're interested in getting into energy tech. We understand money or you have people like me who are like. I'm really passionate about energy tech. I have no money so you've been able to at least you're trying to combine both of those things and i would imagine that as a a fairly attractive proposition when you're going out on the road or when you were allowed to go out on the road and pitch for assent energy ventures. Do you feel that. That story is well received. And this is my question in a low commodity environment like this. How do you present energy technology as the future he. I think there's a lot to unpack there. The first is. I think if you're going to be in digital tech. You have to speak multiple languages. And i think i speak three. The first is investments. And i'm a cf hr hold i fifteen years making investment decision making so a lot of at bats and then the second is you have to be able to speak kind of technology in our rooms and systems and those types of processes which i also speak and then the third is you have to be able to speak and understand the energy industry in. That's a unique combination. I think in particular in the space. But it's it's it's usually unique in other investment worlds as well so in terms of How do i articulate this with a negative commodity price. I think that's kind of first level thinking in the sense that all its native commodity price oils dead we. There's no investment opportunity here. And i think that's all the energy tech investment thesis revolves in part around adoption by the energy industry in a negative commodity. Price is actually good for adoption of to a certain point and inversely a high commodity price is bad for adoption so i think adoption of energy tech is negatively correlated with price. So anything north of say thirty five dollars for crude And south of eighty is good for digital technology. That the downturns have you kind of go back. Got enough history to kind of see this but it's in the downturns where you see the fundamental technology shifts if you look into the eighties it that down required everybody to get really good at exploration and the technology investment and do an exploration. Three d seismic the hardware and software. And all that. Then you kinda come back to the ninety eight downturn and the advent of shale drilling so the tech all the investment kind of went to hey we're gonna improve the drought drilling and completions technologies and get those costs down and work on that. And i think what's left now as we are coming into this downturn is operational efficiency and that's where the technology investment i think at least on upstream oil and gas. That's where i think is gonna wind up. Going is how we decrease gna and still produce the same amount and And have the same number wells and drilling new wells. Keep on growing. I don't know what do you think about that. Yeah i think kind of stress is the mother of innovation and in particular in this industry. The the espn longer stands for exploration. It stands for efficient season economies of scale. And i think this system wide improvement that has offered by digital is is one way to improve outcomes in the next five to ten years. Yeah so now. I'm wondering if i've just completely ripped off those numbers that you said. Because i sort of give the same gauge. I think that once you get above eighty dollars oil. It's just a mess. Companies are too busy to really think about tax bill by everything but they're really just focused on drilling as many holes in the ground as possible and creating more production and therefore potentially higher stock price or better acquisition costs or whatever it may be. But you're right. We're sort of in this spot right now. Where i believe left said this on this podcast. Before i think this is the sweet spot for energy tech companies that are leveraging new technologies that are able to be strategic and drive down caused but it is still tricky in this price environment right so i could see that being a little bit of a pushback when you go to someone and they say hey you know if it was sixty or eighty or a hundred of course david. Here's here's an open checkbook. But right now nobody's got the open checkbook in this industry so i'm wondering how you've dealt with some of those. I guess potential rejections or concerns and still created this story that you have today which which i think is an awesome story. Give me some insight into that. Well i think there will always be those who don't adopt and they they fall to the wayside. Eventually i've spoken to to emp compromise. There they run maybe a hundred wells right now but they're heavily backed and they have spent six to twelve months building out their tech stack and they're very focused on the technology. I think these these types of companies are going to come into the space there. Emp guys who are tech focused. And they're going to apply pressure because they're going to be far more efficient in their operations. really focused on the production side instead of the exploration side. And they're going to compound capital faster they're going to be able to buy assets for pay more and do an have still have higher returns than their competition. And that's just gonna force this type of change. There's another trend. That i want you to comment on is pretty well known again. I'm going back to the eighties. And the the whole that that created in the call it the great crew change. i don't know who coined the phrase. I've seen it a bunch of places but basically we've got in this downturn. We're going through right now. We're getting ready to have the fifty. Somethings and sixty. Somethings all kind of leave. The the industry does that have an impact on what you're thinking about. As far as energy tech investment. yeah absolutely. it's it's a. It's a key part to the forces that are forcing this this industry to change. Yeah i mean the. We talked about this just on the phone yesterday. The challenge that companies have that are tied to drilling and completions. The value of their companies have decreased right now. But they're gonna shoot up like rockets when the oil price shoots up. i think finding a way to be hedged. And it's one of the reasons that i love w energy software where i work at today. Shoutout pete and mark and the gang. But what i've never been in a situation like this where it's upstream midstream. As well as downstream and commodity management your inherently hedged in a situation where oil prices down. But they're still a takeaway is still necessary. Hedging is a big deal. There's companies out there right now. Not everybody on this Listening to this podcast is an expert on the oil and gas industry but there are some companies publicly traded. Even this is available in their ten k. That are getting sixty plus dollars per barrel right now so despite the price that you're seeing strip thinks are a little bit different for those companies that can operate at least until those hedges fall off in a slightly different way. But i'm curious david. Does that. Change your approach to say. I want to focus on upstream or i want to focus on field tech or are you looking at the whole value chain as you look for these potential investments. So i think there's short term and long term and on the short term. i'm. I'm not super excited about any energy technology company whose revenues are highly correlated with drilling and the reason is there just isn't enough activity and i'm not sure when that kicks up a little bit and bridging that gap is difficult for from a financial perspective But i do think term. There are opportunities there but the other side is the operational side of tech and they are very interested when you say operation. Are you talking primarily in the field or in that back office or some combination of both. Both both there's in the field operations but then there's also a ton of back office operations like w energy right you know. I mean that that's a back office. Corporate headquarters offering peace that in any other industry. You know there's already big Plenty of competition in that space. It's that evolution place. Fifteen years ago in other industries we are laggards. That's for sure. So when you're a man i know that you're looking at not just oil and gas kind of technology but you're also looking at kind of the energy transition a little bit. Are you using the same arguments when you're looking at the energy transition. I don't know if you're talking in wind or solar things like that but are the same arguments that you're looking at or is it a completely different metrics. I think it's it's different but at a macro level this is the energy industry is is at a position of change. And it's win. Change occurs and opportunities are presented and part of that changes a shift or a growth in the whatever. You wanna call it next. Janice how i call. It really feels other other providers of energy. And i think there's opportunity in in all of this most of the bulk of the opportunity for what i'm looking at. It's paulie in that more traditional energy space Versus the transition. Because there's there's not as much built out in terms of infrastructure in the next gen space and that's where the bulk of the dollars are really going on and so anybody who's investing in more asset light software digital companies are chasing very few deals and i think ernst and young came out with a report recently that said the capital in the last five years going to next gen has increased by three three thousand percent and so money chasing very few deals. I think even on the upstream side. There's just not a ton of money. If you go in and say i wanna start any. Emp company. and i've got this management team. It's just not as attractive or intriguing as it has been in the past. I'm seeing some less traditional approaches. Maybe it's a non play or minerals. Play something a little bit outside of the traditional scope but someone can say you know maybe i can find this for fifty or sixty million as opposed to throwing half a billion a billion behind you to go and drill a bunch of wells in the bucket or the or the darko basin. But a question that i curious about and i want to. I want to transition to politics. Because i think this is a big deal. Tim just looked like what the hell this is. A big deal in colorado right. We're dealing with a very intense state. I think politically the state used to be kinda read or at least in the middle now. It's very much blue. And i'm curious a little bit if biden wins versus if trump wins. And let me preface that with my with my opinion on this thing. I think that if biden wins and it looks like at least if you look at the betting sites. He's a slight favorite right now. I don't get put too much in that because trump was big underdog right before the election for years ago. I think if biden happens to win this thing the first thing he does is shutdown drilling on federal lands. And i think in this industry most of us think that's a bad thing however for the price of oil. I do believe that will be somewhat positive as long as saudis and opec. Don't flood the market that could create an opportunity for oil prices to spike which then gives us a slightly different look into the industry if trump continues as president. He's going to allow as much as he possibly. Can i think and as long as prices continue to rise or are able to rise. And that's what he supports. But i'm curious what your view is on that and does that affect how you go out and raise capital My view is that i. I think it's more of a red herring than anything in the sense that i don't think the presidency is all that is as powerful as people think it is And so. I'm not as concerned about but i think you're possibly right. I mean there's a ban on federal land I haven't looked at the numbers. But it's a small amount. I presume In the us of production right now and in future production. So i don't know how much it influences the price i think there are other major factors that influence price more on the On the price thing supply demand. I think right now we've seen temporary demand disruption the has slowed down production levels on that needs to be maintained and I think you're gonna see some sort of increases in in price due to lack of supply in the next eighteen to twenty four months as a result so independent of the the election. I will say this to in terms of policy and other things. I think most people make decisions by coming to a conclusion and then finding support for that conclusion and i think that the oil ban or or ban on drilling federal lands is somewhat That way as well and it speaks people instead of it being a reality of anything. I'm not sure that there are plenty. People who said they're going to ban fracking and very few people have ever done it. So you go back to the old adage the best cure for low oil prices low oil prices and the best cure for higher prices is high oil prices have been. It's gotta swing and smart. People are going to find a way to take advantage of the low. Prices decreased production. And and and so on until there's an equilibrium or so never will be and like unlike any other time in history with this horizontal drilling in the decline curves that result. The supply can adjust faster than it ever has. And i think that's the from from up too much supply to downside. It adjust within two years. So i think that's something to keep in mind to where it will be different from the past. Well we'll see what happens. I think you mentioned sort of this. Being a temporary thing and covert has been a big deal. i think the international The amount of travel the amount of oil and gas consumed as down over ten percent. That is not a small number if you think about what happens globally. We're not driving to work. I've only taken one flight this year since february. Tim floated all this year. Well i did fly in january february but basically got back here and statement. Heck the i haven't worn pants that's mark all shorts and you know my sock usage down. I mean the whole thing. Yeah no know. The stock market has really taken a hit this year. There's an opportunity short socks. David tell me tell me a little bit about your time in chicago. A lot of your adult and professional life was spent out there versus ultimately came back here by question is why did you come back here and tell me some of the things you love about chicago when you were there unless also star with did you grow up get an appreciation for chicago style pizza area. Yes i've always been a fan. But i cannot get my family into it. They just no way is thin crust all the way the style i like chicago hot dog in the The dipped beef sandwich. I'm forgetting what it's called. Have become a yeah. Yeah italian beef So i yeah. I i do. I lived in chicago for our outside of chicago. Technically but I think i moved back here for the same reason that everybody is moving here from san francisco houston chicago. It's just a great place to live with a high quality of life. And that's why it's impart becoming kind of the energy technology capital of the us because people want to live here. And it's easy to recruit tech talent here versus other locations and then it's just a one day. Hey hey here. It ain't a dress rehearsal so living in a place you enjoy with activities you enjoy and i like to ski and be out in the wilderness and that kind of thing and Although it's becoming more difficult to get up to the mountains it's still has close proximity relative to a flat-lander there tim listen. I have tried many times to talk my family and move it up to the denver area. And invariably i'll get everybody's quasi convinced it's okay and they'll be some blizzard the down the airport for a little bit. You know for three hours but still it's it made the news okay. That's it my wife prefers to. She says to visit snow not have visit me again. Let me just say this for all people who don't live here. I mean we get blizzards. Almost everyday the sun rarely shines score very grumpy The beer is warm. Even though it's cold out it's just it's just not a great place. Yeah and i've heard the seattle people say it rains every day. Don't come here. yeah. Although i will tell you this. I went to portland oregon once for a weekend for a for a bachelor party a few years ago and i have never seen better weather in august than we were those four days. I mean it was seventy five degrees sunny so now. I'm skeptical skeptical. But i'll i'll back up what david says. It sucks here in colorado. Don't clearly clearly. It does ski in ski in the morning and play golf in the afternoon. Yeah it's definitely sucks up there. come on. i want that. Won't that all right. So david i wanna come back this because you know german. I are both kind of energy tech sales side and we we talk about that quite a bit with various people but it struck me as i was researching this. You've got an interesting position where you're selling and you're buying so you're you're giving presentations you've got to get investors to you know come into your fund and then you've got to then by what some guys like us are selling to invest in them. You've had seen some crazy sales presentations and given some crazy ones. What's that been like on being on both sides. Yeah you know. I'm like i'm a sales guy to investors. Obviously right in that as you said. I'm a buyer of a securities. I think i definitely screwed up presentations plenty of times and walked out and said there's no way that guy's ever calling me back and i've been surprised how often that is wrong. And then the other side of walked out and said man that was a great presentation and then they never call me. Back won't have a conversation again. So i i'm frankly i'm probably not a. I don't know that. I have any good juicy stories. I think there are plenty of energy tech companies tech companies in general that at present very well and there are a handful that They're just not organized yet. Sometimes changes over the course of a year as they get feedback from that kind of thing and they've become more polished like any sales person so unfortunately i don't have much there so how many as a on the p side you're looking to invest in a company let's xyz you know widget maker. How many presentations are they going to have to give to you before. You're convinced how does that is it a. You're twenty twenty meetings to via make the decision or you know how how. How does that work. you know. i think that's a great question. Gets to to something that i think those offically. We invest in kind of lines trajectory. We don't invest in data points so we do need. Multiple meetings interactions to establish kind of trends and momentum in those types of things so for me and i was just writing this down. I think it's it's close to two four meetings Probably more at a minimum. And it takes time. We're not some venture funds that are outside of energy. They say oh we move really fast and and that's an advantage and maybe their advantage. But but i think we're we move kinda slow and the reasoning for that is just alluded to yeah. You know i want wanna say good. Japan i was asking. Hey are you looking at anybody right now or are you. Where are you in the in the planning stages for your initial investments here. We i probably meet with. I don't know three to four a week right now. Which is a a lighter load. 'cause i'm doing other things but for the fund but No i i probably filtered through boy at least over two hundred companies over the last few years while viewed as most venture firms won't sign. Nda's for yeah. Wow staying interesting. So i wanna give you some credit on this. Because it's one of the skills. I think you have or just in general. I think you've you understand a lot of things really well. You also have noticed where some of your blind spots are so. I give you a ton of credit for always reaching out to your network to find ways to be better and also to continue networking with the people in the space because a of the people that have the stature or roller opportunity that you have stay a little more under the radar. I think you represent a little bit more of the next generation. That's going to be very available for the potential investments and also for their investors. And is that just a product of you and everything that you've seen as you've been along or is that a conscious decision to say. Hey look i have blonde spots. I don't know everything just trying to get a sense of what makes you and why you've sort of taking this approach to be there for both sides. Yeah so. I made a ton of investments as i included alluded to you know. We're we're talking hundreds a day for many years and made and lost large homes money in in single days hand. I think that you start to realize reshape your rain in terms of i don't know very much i'm going to be wrong. A bunch of times and my job is to minimize that maximize being right but And making quality decisions. but it's. it's not this egotistical. I'm right and i know something. Maybe that just comes with age too on awesome. Yeah the other thing. Is that if you think about it. All kinds a lot of venture capital firms say. We only talked to people who have come in through somebody. We know some verified channel. And that's that means that you're excluding a whole group of individuals. And i think that you're as a firm. Your investment process needs to be robust enough to be able to filter companies that come in tarini channel. And if you think about all the great ideas in the world and then you think about how little network you really have. Even if you're a great networker there are things that are there exist out there that you never bump into and if you're not open to interacting with those people you're gonna miss those and so we're here to gather information analyze that information find value to it and signal to it or or discarded as noise and so we have to be very open to to all kinds of ideas and concepts or we're trying to hit a lot of these companies are trying to hit a future. That is five ten fifteen years out. It's not quite there yet. So i don't have all the good ideas or know where it's all going to go. I think being open to new ideas is part of what we do. So you've talked with upwards of two hundred investment opportunities so potential guess portfolio clients of yours. How many of these are coming to you. Through a source are looking for investment or an are the other side is. Are you ever proactively going to someone that may not be looking for an investment saying. Hey we were think you're a good opportunity. We'd like to invest in you. We see this opportunity. So how do you do that or or is it really. You're looking for people who need investment or want investment both I think it's both you've got to let people know that you're interested in them and then they come to you when they decided they need capital but the vast majority of people coming to me just just numerically. But if if there's a book about how. Google selects talent. Okay and what they realized was proactively going after people yield better results. And so i. I do think that there's something there ought to proactively going after companies and saying listen. We like what you're doing on the surface if you ever need capital reach out to us so we will do that and do do that. Just make sense. You've got a cigar box of investable of money and it's always good to have some avail because you never know what's going to walk in. So flexibility is important but being proactive. When something comes in you've got a chance to go after it just waiting. We're a sector focused expert fund. So they're they're also isn't very much capital or capital providers in this space which is a source of of investment return for us or edge But it also if you look. There's a rice survey of energy tech founders in the number one requirement or thing that they like in a capital providers that sector expertise or a sector focused investor. And so i think that gives us a leg up especially against generalist funds and it's that that lack of capital and our expertise really drives a lot of people to us. Just have one more question. I know we put you on the spot because this is this is near and dear to tim and i and you're very smooth it answering all these questions. This is the one thing that i'm curious about. Why do no energy tech companies go public. The exit path is either some sort of acquisition or going out of business or a roll up into a pe firm. It just doesn't seem like any of these companies go public. And can you tell me why i think a lot of them. Don't have the scale to justify going public. So that's one thing socially just tunisia. He has tunisia. The the also a component here is that investors like stories and they like things that are either exciting They like the exciting side of things. So media and those types of things investors in the public market energy and energy tech is complex. It's complicated It is boring and not exciting and so it just. It's not as that's a good point. It's it's very niche. I think that's the one thing that the biggest thing that you said there is. I've been in this for for a dozen plus years. I still don't understand a lot of the energy tech companies in the space. Right you go to a mixer. Networking van when those were thing and someone says. Yeah we do this. That helps you this down hole and blah. And i'm like i lost me man. I'm a put me at a land event. I have no idea what they're talking about. You know. I do think this though pals i think that there will be a company that has created that rolls up a bunch of these a small point solution technology companies and puts together an entire technology stack and they will be the call. A halliburton slumber. J. of of oilfield services but they will be digitally focused and that company is yet to be created and and eventually will exist. And we'll go public or it already exists and they're gearing up. Yeah it's it's one of those things well folks. I hope you enjoyed a little bit of time with david talk.

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Chris Forsberg (3x Formula Drift Champion)

The Smoking Tire

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Chris Forsberg (3x Formula Drift Champion)

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Chris forsberg just rules and here. He is in our studio on the swim tire. Podcast chris forsberg is in the house. Is your phone salon ceo. It is yes. Don't be that guy. I will not be. That guy is always silence. Now like this. Do you drive your car with your phone in the car. Oh yeah because you gotta sit there in the grid line for a minute right. It's a very long time. I've actually been Made fun of for being on my phone. Ingram like up until like warm and the tires up. You know i actually. We'll tuck it in my car seat and the rest of your side. Just alleged and the seat cushion there. Good cellphone older. Then you know like there might be a crash all right well check instagram or legends and like read like driver luxury that they that you've seen in a race or drift car like jr's gonna fucking bump in stereo and oh yeah. We did that back in two thousand five back in the day we had. Um you know over rockford radios in our cars back five and held that for a few years. And i kinda got out of it and then he put it back in trying to bring it back had nine hundred horsepower. What's the the radio's not going to hold back. Yeah exactly but favourite was the the vintage youtube. Video of the dick trickle cigarette break. Remember that nascar driver fucking cigarette during cautions. Yeah crazy. well that's like a lot of guys are the open face helmets. My one buddy who drove he bought over his helmet specifically so it gets a great. Yeah that's fellow is it. it is not. I'm like. I definitely know that. Dude i so what is the. What is the most interesting driver. Luxury using Really stop at the radio. That i've seen. Yeah i mean. The radio's cool man. We have our cool suits which like is fantastic. Says we're just sitting there just baking in the sun for hours shirts from game. Changes game changers. Incredible that on. It's really like it's like when you get a morphine almost too cold. I feel like thirty around your body like turning it down. The ice water wanted you about hair conditioner. One on their more affordable now like when i got my cool pseudo is like four or five years ago and it just doesn't go bad. It's a little pump a korea but Yeah like the air conditioner ones early. Thousands of dollars know it was like yeah. I don't need that just yards e one where you're like on stage all day. Well the ice water ones emmy it melts after i two or three hours so it doesn't last all day but you know what if you're using because i've i've had multiple cars without air conditioning. Use it as a substitute for air conditioning. In streetcars yes. I've had two different. Streetcars actually really smart. It's actually better on a road trip across fucking texas in the summer. It lasts about as long as a tank of gas that it's about the same. That is a much more affordable way to have air conditioning and a vintage car hundred percent. If you're willing to any. I got pulled over. What's in texas in a mustang cobra r. No one yeah with a cool shirt and we got to step out of the vehicle and has stepped out of the viewpoint plug. You're like what is that. We told them he's like you guys are genius. But i haven't tried they see one though. No we've got to get one. I don't know if you get you get the water. Heroin feel. I'll have to find out but you'll probably Switched to that on our new bill got a couple of new builds coming down. The pipeline sale got update. Thank you should do. A shirt set up. It's like a big yeti cooler with like four hoses freer. Big nissan taxi helmets on the rack and got cool shirt. The rack thermal club. That's the experience. I bet it's probably way too frigging hot out there. You ever do like a membership experience out there now. I've been there. I got like a tour of the place before to open mic. Really been there. They give you the ice towel put on your neck right and they clean your helmet visor your window they make sure your transponders like said. Check your tire. Pressure shot of espresso. They come back. They got like a lavender scented towel so g. a awesome houses. They were building there. And it's just like yeah like here's my balcony view of my garage fit my lifts in everything and i was like all right cool. I think i was told that if you buy a property in a membership there there you have two years to build a house. You must build a within two years. Yeah i don't. I don't know the two year window thing but yeah i heard like that you have to like. There's a lot of stipulation to it. I was just like yeah not going gonna be doing that. So zoned out. Well because i i can imagine a lot of like folks who have a place in palm springs and be like well. Let me just by the dirt. We use the membership no problem but they want it. They want the church. They want to see that. Yeah it's really cool. I mean i can see what they're trying to do like that that you know country club style very nice facility and You know so. Yeah just having all those vr you've been out like the ones that vr their quality and spree mountains. A good time to is fun. Country club track. They have the right amount of club versus freedom. Yeah yeah we have A little bit more of that at e. town that's like a little more just like the just the party track the current status of english town Well he got rid of the drag strip because Any fees everything else is was basically just like not having fun running the big top fuel races anymore and he's like i love motocross and i loved drifting and so he. Yeah so they got rid of Or they the most the property to basically like auto recycler just to kind of take up that space. Then he repaved. The drag strip to be adrift stadium on their last year. But obviously everything changed But we are going back this year and so it's gonna be like basically the world. I drift stadium Former joe told me running there. They've been holding like there might be bills basically adrift state. It is but imagine Stadium seating vip seating on all four sides so awesome smaller than irwindale. So it feels a little bit like tatyana. The crowds like the size of the track is more similar to like wall stadiums. They just have that like you know just coliseum style feel but you have twenty six thousand seats cool three or four times more than irwindale. That's pretty awesome. Yeah yeah what's that place in atlanta next across the street from rhode linear linear lanier. Yeah they got good. They got a kind of a big set up to. That's the place where i like to go in the race ends at road atlanta. They've always got some fucking figuring something over there. What's your favorite alternative motor sport. Who alternative motor. Let's see I mean like i. i've been to a couple like skid plate races and trailer raises things like that and it's just like a good time in the driver's seat or tater. I almost did Irwindale was offering seats for the skip. Light raises one years. Like the thursday night before the. yeah. I don't know if getting t-boned finds a good idea for people are going to love this That's a great invitation. But maybe next week. Drifting doesn't have a for the love of the game clause that allows you to show up race any motor sports. You know the thing would. Jordan jordan is allowed to play basketball anywhere at any time. It's called for the love of the game. Clause la like normally athletes are allowed to like do things outside their sport so there should be a for the love of the game clause for drifting where you allowed to compete in any motor sport at any time for the love of the game. Yeah i mean it's not that we have an exact restriction but like i would hate to break my leg demolition derby car the week before and be like. Oh yeah sorry just wanted to have some fun. Drivers used to raise lots of different disciplines. Back in the sixties and seventies just to name checks and race. And then i think as got more. Luke became more lucrative sponsors. Like you have. Oh you don't raise mini coopers. Today it would be nice. Jackie stewart's like fucking mobbing a rally card. It's like jackie cure. Needs you this weekend. would prefer. Oh my god. yeah but No it's There's there's a lot of other things that were starting to get into like doing some road racing. We had that little rally Tribute bill that we did for nissan and You know we're starting to do a razor side-by-side build with slime and so we're starting to kind of dabble in different disciplines. And try and have some fun outside of just drifting building or the driving and racing more important to you At this point. It's hard to say. Because like i really do enjoy the build Especially when it's like custom like the ultimate back but the drift car that's the the new built larry's photos that Willow springs event. Fucking banana frigging nuts. And so car. So yeah the bill was fun on this one but of course dry was even better and that car. We've been planning this thing for. I wanna say like a year and a half was like it was i kind of introduced in pitched To a couple of our partners Valvoline was a Guys from day one. We're like we love this idea. Let's make it happen. And it was over a year ago that we basically got it approved but then covert hit. And so everything got you know. Put on hold and so it wasn't until the mid summer that it was like okay. Everything's back on. let's party and it's like Like we were trying to have it. Ready for seema by the way For burchell sima our our mental deadline but arizona's like so many holdups and just Issues that we're running into with getting parts and You know people were just like struggling to be able to put in the work. They're trying to focus on. Things are making the money and You know but for this car so what we did was i picked up an ultima and we had it three d. scanned inside now the guys from consulting You know they did the scanned. They drew the entire chassis and drew like it was basically a trophy truck. They do. There's another picture on. Instagram has all too base of the chassis. That right there so that people can use of three d printing. Yeah i not even thought of that until right where it's like. Yeah here's your diagram to build in. Is that what they used to then like. They gave that to me after the car was built like. Oh well we had the cat so we print out a little model. So it's about this big you know and just sits on my table but But yeah so you could see. It's the entire frame. Everything was rebuilt. it's not like we. You know hung sub frames and random tubes to it all like we hollowed entire car out and is there any ultimate left. Actually there's a lot more than you would think As far as i drive wise and jobs not like your shield and like the the hood from the hood to the trunk and the bumpers. That's all Factory and the doors. Even the whole body is ultimate still but We we shortened up the windshield. We made a new windshield cow. We you know. Cut the whole inside out with all the pillars pillars. And all that and so the tubes like press up all the way to the outside the skin not just like roll caging and stitching into the inside. so it's just the outer- outermost skin And like the doors are factory But there's condor yes that's awesome brought back in so we Yeah we we hold the whole thing out. And we built the whole tube structure for it and made all new suspension mounting points and just made the whole thing You know off of laser cut metal. That our buddy rob parsons for us. That tech designed and built on their computer and so basically just an entire to structure like is it like a trophy truck and then built around the ultima body crazy. Yeah pretty wild. No one's done it in drifting before it's obviously been done in other forms of racing that's not allowed in full voice. Their time on it looks so good and like the single company. Livery is so awesome great. Yeah so with that on if there was an unlimited class or something formula d its submission class or or something because like i understand why it's based on factory cars keeping grassroots. Still that's awesome. It would be safe. And that's what that's what we wanted to do. They kind of proof of concept of what drift car could be. And so if i was going to go through that much effort mike might as well make a four door because the most used car outside of our former drift cars are four door right so we take that to grid life everything else And so that one. That's basically our new grid life party car rules. Yeah because he was awesome. Yeah it was real cool. Overstrain years is that they still kicking hell. Yeah that's awesome a It looks like a somewhere between the super. Gt and like a v8 super like a dtm kind of thing. That was kind of the goal. Yeah just wanted to have Like i wanted to have it be like still very factory. Body like we didn't have the ability to do like a fully composite. I was just like way to You know out of the price range that we're working with so it's still very much the ultimate body but just slams to the ground and redid some of the You know x. Their body on it of course with the The fender flares and things like that all the flares for three higher. Tell me about these wheels and tires. Why does it look like. There's so meaty down there to ninety five forty so they are big media then yeah but with the body being so low we had the raise defender arches and like one of my goals was to get the fender arches headlights like so it had that kind of dtm look yeah And we Yeah so when we fit the rears on their you know we had to cut into the rear door panels. When you open the rear door you can see like the whole tire doesn't kick rubber like into the cat. Oh yeah you're safe from that we've thought it sort of through. Yeah it does in the back of the car and why a gtri based powertrain. I thought everybody was just doing big blown. V8's now what's the deal Well we've been running the vr thirty eight in our car for two years now success. Yeah no you're good. And so we were run the itbs setup with nitrous to get the extra torque out of it because it was only a five point six litre for years That's why we want our championships. And all of our the highest finishes and we switched over to the queue. I trying to make that work. Now is tough not so good. Yeah it's tough engine to make a lot of power with so then we went to the vr thirty eight which is just unbelievable amount of power. You can get out of these things and so when we're going into this bill. It was like well. Let's still do the vr thirty eight and it. It doesn't make it right now but the goal is we're gonna make two thousand horsepower with the car and we wanna make the morals most powerful drift car so sure with that fossil. They do it in the gtri. Almost four thousand miles. Doing it was making like thirty. Three hundred wheel horsepower. Out of those things it makes nose. And what i mean someone to direct to drag race at the extra for this for now. We're taking out there yet. But legitimately what would you do with a with a two thousand horsepower. Drift car that you couldn't do with a twelve hundred horsepower. Drift car like is that really not fast enough to do drift with more people faster. That's the only reason with more people so like the infinity for example right so based on that thing makes about six hundred and when you put four people in that thing a seizure over third gear you can feel. It's like it's sushi. Get third and fourth gear. Like good like sixty to eighty hour drifts. It starts to feel like a corolla again on your clutch kicking the crap out of and just weighs down and doesn't want to burn the tires so at thirteen. What it's at right now because when we built the car we Were shooting for grid life. Skip day and that was on a thursday. We finished a car. We fired it for the first time tuesday at midnight. We got it on the ground for the first time ever to successful to not have that thing nope that's right and we And it hit the ground on its own. you know. Tires and suspension for the first time wednesday at three o'clock three thirty really. We loaded on the trail and we get to the dining by four fifteen. We had one hour to tune it before the dino close So that we could go to track so basically just put our fd tune on it and just cleaned it up for the car and got it all driving. Go ronald work and everything else. So one hour drivable. Make him full. Power made like over a thousand to the ground and we went straight to the track and so on. Ethanol eighty five Now it's on c. Sixteen right now. Oh yeah mild for race for race guess tune. I mean not to let on your parade. But i don't know so running race gas at one. Thousand horsepower is like pretty standard your shit that all day. Oh yeah and so. That was one less variable trying to figure the car. I was like okay. This is the same basic package that are. Fda car has got three pedals sequential. Imagine okay yeah quench it's got you know the full three pedal action like you still use the clutch on the shifts when you're drifting it's just a little happier that way. So the power train. Is your competition car with a long driveshaft. Basically yes essentially. It's the same Same differential the winters. Quick change sixty sequential. It's got our same clutch. Setup are same driveshaft shop Carbon driveshafts axles and everything else and so all those very similar to the urban axles No carbon drive show carbon drive but But yeah so we just it to the f. d. cartoon on garrett g thirty seven seventy and so to make the two thousand horsepower gonna stop g thirty five ten fifty on their put the boost to like thirty five thirty eight maybe forty. I don't know what the number will be and then we can top out. That motor motor will be able to do two thousand so when you're running. Okay yeah you can just fine like you know. We're a horse thief. We're doing like maybe eighty on the bottom by the water tower and it's blowing the tires off just fine but like And that's with four people in it but if we wanted to do anything or something like that yeah like to have a good grip like grip and speed have to loosen up for it to burn tires like that so to run that car with two ninety five. Gt radios actually like hooking up and put me in the seat. You need big power. That's fucking wild. I mean you're right. The math makes sense absolutely. But fuck me thousand horsepower. Yeah that's wild i mean. That's that's that's gotta be a ride in the back seat. Fda card right there averaging thirteen fourteen hundred horsepower. Somewhere around there. Everyone's over thousand wheel and so So now taking fda car and put you know six hundred pound of dude in it and watch that thing like load up so we're basically just trying to get over that bell curve. Yeah yeah. I mean the smoke him out of the tires and that thing. Oh it's it was like a magician trying to escape down you're watching and all sudden it was just like you go to the corner and then just and it was so thick so quick and so instant shred tread. The whole the whole waves insane. Yeah and it's funny. You can see the marks that puts down versus because there is other guys are much thicker and darker. Because it's just loading it up that much harder the Does the fact that when know demayo cars that make two thousand dollars power if you're talking about that kind of power typically talking about runway car right yeah. Yeah because they don't hook up to their over one hundred right. It doesn't even matter what you do. In first and second gear. That's all fourth fifth year. Crazy town guy but you're running these rpm's at typically much lower speeds sometimes right behind another car that's blowing who the fuck knows. So how do you keep a turbo engine alive under those kind of conditions being that. Are you spying like something. On the former drift cars we use any lag and nitrous nitrous like really builds a lot of heat On this car we had any like going and there's no nitrous and But we were running on and off most of the day because if you just work the clutch just right like it's a motorcycle like it just keeps turbos. Lit up uh-huh. Yeah that's a fucking sal is actually a little bit smoother if you are just using the clutch. The any lag is like where the car gets a little jolted when you see the video or it's like really snapping around because when you go to get back on the power it has boost built up already so it just snaps out when you start to breathe on the pedal because it feel more like. v8 Yeah we're instant torquay. Yeah just flip it on and flip it off push-button and that's really cool really cool all the pops and claxton you know You know those the extra fireballs and it's more of a show for sure. What's the difference between like a pro grade car of five or six years ago a car. today it's completely different Which is why. I really wanted to build a new four seater because like the infiniti was like yeah. That's a ten year old technology right. And so i was like i want to build something bigger and better. And so you on the pro level All the cars are consistently making four digits And the reliability is just there because of the drive train upgrades the computer upgrades at you know Even the tuners knowledge. You know being able to give you a car that works every time and so we're able to put more grip into the cars because they're making more power you know you got guys you know running single digits. It looks like they're lining up with the drag strip. Yeah and so like just the speeds are just getting higher and higher and like just a grip and the control and being able to press on other cars is the angle garden even more or is it kind of is pretty much plateaued About five or six years ago. There's not too much more you can do. You know your iraq is going into the corner before runt your sixty almost seventy degrees out of some cars like like sixty is a the norm but Yeah because once you get over that the car just wants to push on the front end you know. And it's it's more of a the only time you can use that much angles on your Decreasing your speed right right as you go on the throttle. It just wants to straighten out and push the front end over so well makes the speed like your car the top tier cars. It's just incredible. How quickly they can like accelerate to catch up to the car. You can really see especially if you're going up against someone who like doesn't have as much factories support or like they just got into the pro level and you can just watch guys like get on the gas and just run up to that door. Yeah it's amazing even though you're porn smoke and everything acceleration is crazy. Yeah yeah they'll they'll push over a g I don't know the exact number to quote it but yeah of of forward acceleration in while spending time should say yeah well go just like you just rev up and dump the clutch and that's when you see the pictures of the cars pulling the yeah existence like brown. Just twist the chassis and just loads it up and goes how has set up changed. I mean i know powers changing reliability. You said but how has has the setup in the approach to like spring stiffness softness stuff like that change versus five years ago Yeah i mean it's it's been slowing down like ten years ago to five years ago was a bigger jump than five years ago now But yeah at first. It was like you know no sway bars. Everything's super soft. Let the car roll around like a pig and you know trying to find the grip that way and now it's much more You know keeping the car stable using the tire more because the tires are better now Using the tire and having more mechanical drive in the car. And that's where you see. The starting to twist chassis front end off the ground because like you just have you know everything is just so much stiffer and it's just it's gotta go somewhere so instead of the car just like leaning in drooping all the tires out it just like picks it up and just twist it out so it's like when you like when we were driving. I mean you know. Streetcar equivalent would be just pulling into the fucking. We had the new. Gt three On tuesday you know every time you pull into a gas station you do the what you do in the You know it's the same car that stiffen. It's gotta go somewhere and it's funny to think that that works better you you just skip across the ground. Well it works better in that one thing. If you're building a streetcar you wouldn't do that. That would make it. would drive. Horrible did that and so with the drift car is kind of the same. So i everyone just making it soft and letting them roll around and it was driving like a boat but now it's like they're they're very stable The only time you really see do when you get that initial clutch dump Like vaughn's cars were just like kind of like high sailing the inside tire for a while. They're just like really up in the airline's entire turn dallas. That was just over the bell curve. If you see like last year they had a very successful year like though yeah he got worley really good. He got a lifetime of instagram photos. Out of that one season car. Yeah yeah so So you see they kind of like whoa that down and their cars are more stable last year and then they had much more success. Oh it's just like there's a point where it's just moving around too much so is But the future is is back turbocharged engines. Then yeah for it right. Oh yeah there's a lot of force and there's literally the only cars that are not forced inductions are those two mustangs. Yeah and those are like but they have the biggest engines blocks they're bringing. Those motors are so crazy. Yeah is they're incredibly powerful and they run like two hundred shot a nitrous on top of it. That's kind of how we used to do with our eight. But it was a three thirty eight cubic inch four sixty something. So how many runs do you get a bottle. Did use a standard size bottle. I had a fifteen when i was doing the v. Eight niger setup. We had a fifteen pound bottle and we still couldn't get four laps out of it. Because you have to be able to do. Your pair of runs. Ah running out on the fourth run swamp so we were basically chugging down three to four pounds a pass. That's a bunch it's a lot it's a lot of a lot of nitrous. Yeah so that's why. We went to the turbo setup. All right this just doesn't make sense like we're just like chasing the car with bottles and lacking you'd probably get like team quarter mile polls bottle back in the day. Yeah you get you get a bunch twenty imagine You know so. It's like a two to fifty shot and it's a thirty second run. You know so along. Yeah so you're just chugging it you're probably using more because you're using it to cool the engine and not just to make power right now. Just power yeah. Some people are doing the sprays On the intercourse power but Yeah when you were getting over three pounds of pass it was like this is like you know every two laps changing tires and changing nitrous bottles. And you've got one guy running bottles back and forth trying to refill them trying to cool the bottle and then breezy know like it was too much bottles shuffled. Yeah there was a guy opened the canyons. I saw a couple of weeks ago. They had a corvette he had bought on the trunk. And i was like. Oh bro serious. Holiday goes just use it to spray. He's to spray the the radiator Because he had a super charger on it. Oh yeah he's like. I just i just i purge it out and spray the radiator like okay. Whatever it makes a big difference. I bet. Yeah especially on supercharged car. Because you're just you know. Heating up the water and the engine. It's just like starts to get into its own little downward spiral so superchargers. Yeah i kind of am. I like you know. I don't remember ever find one. That doesn't do that. Overrunning thing when you get off the throttle Okay but maybe just a minute. I guess i like the i like the power band feels before you get that in. And then i hate. What was it like a driver with all these new techs in power sources being added into it was it so incremental that you just kind of went okay. It's the next step or was actress bottle like this is crazy. I'm hitting the button all sudden. It's just kicking hard actually. We're racing in fast forward. The second you hit two buttons on the steering wheel at the same time trying to catch those are the wheels spin israel. But yeah like when i was coming into drifting and it was like That doesn't make any sense. Like just turn the boost up like it has a much different reaction especially on turmoil car because it not only The extra torque but you know so the engine makes more torque where sposa a turbofan even just like the Like depart the particulates of nitrous like helps to spoil. The turbos explained to me. It's not just the extra. The actual chemical components two reasons. Why like nitrous wolf spool turbo faster. So it's like or we're making like i don't even know what the number is but like at four thousand rpm were making like almost a thousand horsepower. It's like it just it just shoots right up. Yeah so that's awesome. Wow i don't fuck with fucking with an e assist yet in drift. I'm sorry i didn't mean say amendment torque Yeah it's making like four thousand peaking torque torquato because that's like when the nitrous says and the booths is for then what's your motor to Eight got that's nice y. k. to work with. That's what you want motor good. Yeah that's excellent so But yeah like The big change was around like five years ago. Were turbo technology caught up and people being able to use nitrous to help the turbos Was getting more programmable and more easy to adapt like you know because now we don't use anything there's no extra You know computer whatever. It's all just run through the motech so we just have nitrous bottom. We have a so annoyed and the motech just chose a hall of it. Yeah that's cool so it's just. It's on windows. Switch for the throttle and on a window switch for the rpm so over forty percent throttle for us for example. It's like over forty percent throttle. It is now active. And if you're over thirty five hundred rpm it'll be on. Is it going to be dumb question. But is it dangerous to get into a fucking gnarly crash with a nitrous. Follow in your car not really. It's not a real magic. Yeah no i mean like it you could crash hard enough to rip the top off so far inboards not going to happen right so could happen. But i suppose you could use it as appropriate ballast to put it in. Not if it blows in the In the weight distribution put away. Yeah so we have it in the back. It's like ford of the axle like you really can't get into it Some people have it mounted like off the back of their car and that's kind of intense like outside the back of a drift car that means like between the bumper out of the rear axle. Might as well be behind the car. Parts that end up on the track but I mean no one's ever mike crackdwon or blowing. But you'll get the occasional like blow pops off that will go off and it just dumped because it all comes out fast but like i've never seen like an actual bottle cracker breaker. Something like that. I saw someone knock evolve. Scuba tank once didn't fall on missile that it didn't leave when i say that it didn't leave the ground. Yeah did find shoot across the gr-. Oh yeah did if it was a different angle or a different pressure. I can see how that would be a major major on. These bottles are clamped in so they technically can't really go anywhere. So as compressed gas scary zach. And i were just driving around this toyota mirai hydrogen car. Okay people are scared of the shit drive around carful. A compressed hydrogen pinch. We've seen fucking hindenburg. We don't all the buses have it. Yeah it's not the same as hydrogen. Yeah no gas. Compressed natural gas but it is definitely not hydrogen. Yeah that's a good long beach photo and your website. Yeah there go so. Let me just a great place to To watch drifting. Because you're downtown. You know the oceans right behind you you got fresh air and it's it's just a really cool vibe and blows the smoke out of the way pretty quick. There's actually see irwindale really just does it. Hangs in there and up on the roof. Yeah you gotta get up to the roof of the The the boxes up there is where it's at down on the inner wall. It's cool for about five minutes after lab. This is exhausting. You're literally you're getting like a Like an exfoliating with rubber. Yeah down there. it's fucking gnarly. Oh yeah it's it's pretty nuts but the view is cool. It's basically that every pass cars on the wall so yes really exciting do you. Do you find any joint. Streetcars anymore. At all yeah i do. I got my dots and now take out rarely at this point right gold one so i liked that one a lot. So it's got the has a turbo. Unlike larry chen c. where the turbo lists rb. No not larry. Chen tong tong. King now larry's also got a two forty. I'm not rest asia. Yeah yeah twenty He was he didn't understand the Larry's twenty larry's to four. Okay cool and then yes. Songs was Na which i really liked you know i had the big nice header on it but Now i think it's been converted the turbo cell. He when he was in here he said that he he did it for tradition. Yeah but he didn't really understand what he was getting on in the driving by not having the turbos it definitely looked really cool when you pop the hood. Classic look to it. And it's funny because like he's going turbo and i've debated going to spray. Yeah just swap them out but Yeah it's a great car. Yeah so old. Leaders e yeah. That was what was called. That's a cool fucking name. No it's it's a lot of fun. I'll i'll take that thing out every once in a while but outside of that. I'm basically driving a truck every day. What kind of mind. But i do have my new patrol. Which i really liked so new old patrol. Yeah year. that's why sixty so sweet. So are you going to do something. Stupid with all kinds of stupid thing We may or may not Do a tv forty eight and that thing which is basically a titan. What does it tb. Hey it's It's basically like the arby's big brother. It's a four point eight liter straight. Six shit oh. Yeah because i've heard of like the arms. So never heard of a tb yeah I didn't need it to be honest. So so that kind of one. Get parts for that dubai Yeah like you know over overseas in like the middle east and or new zealand. There's a lot of them So they have Habibie we already. Yeah sandra of these. Carl at right. Oh yeah that's that's what they're really doing so he be forty eight. Yeah so coming. The later patrols like the y sixty one and so yeah it's a four point eight liter straight six and actually but I mean even like brian crowley makes a stroke or kit for like people make pisses for and these guys will stuff them in you. Know the old order the newer. But like you'll see a lot of the sandra guys stuff them in these why sixties and they basically put that thing. At the bottom of a forty five degree incline put in fourth gear and drop it off the rev limiter and they just burn it all the way up the hill so geisel or this fucking sand. Dune guys are out of their minds. It's hilarious i love it. So so these dudes will make Like sixteen hundred plus horsepower. Out of these things. Are you gonna do a single turbo. You do twins on that big single. Yeah so four door arm-block attitude or are no. I think it is aluminum blah. Well yeah. I'm not quite sure i haven't seen one yet but it's going to be so too much research interest rate hell. Oh yeah shit all because the tiniest little thing that's going to be so shade and it's four wheel drive so we'll just say up melt tires industry line. We got a guy here has got a bronco has a blown coyote in it s- terrify. It's absolutely bronco fan. So it's the same size as tiny. It has way too much. Power drives a little terribly at like two hundred nine hundred fifty horsepower. My god it's got. It's got a diesel engine and now it's a straight six diesel and i literally downshift that thing going uphill mad at dodgers. Were come on baby. We have a delica. Yeah and it's eighty-six horsepower. Yeah so it's fine. If you're by yourself but try. Try coming over the seventy three from san clemente thing. Fifty miles an hour max brutal. I'll drop her in the fourth and you'll just see that thing come down to about. Was it like ninety kilometers sixty or so. Yeah we're we're game. Pass max. I'll take the five in that thing sometimes. Just 'cause it's flat and i can keep the speed up. i'm tony there's a. There's a sport called beetle ball and it's a flat out street racing volkswagen beatles. You still not speeding but you can go flat the entire time only got god great. That's cool. put this together one day. I swear i'm gonna do it getting the super chat if you have questions specifically For chris if he's like seiko watch questions and shit. I'm going to say until next week. Yes you watch nerd and you wanna be on that game but We we we glossed over it. Anyone doing electric drift car yet Yeah they did one Not last year year. Before the gm. The camaro thing yeah. They had not too great workout start. They didn't start. Yeah yeah didn't make a couple of events But i mean. I commend them for the effort. You know. there's a couple other builds out there in the world but yeah they actually built one for. Fd brought it out to compete with it and didn't really work. it was just. There's just not there yet. It seems like the kind of thing that would make sense it does. Yeah yeah i mean. We had the idea like years ago. But like you know battery. Technology just wasn't there and so now You know you can buy like tesla drive trains. You know anything people are putting them into you know Classic cars restorations with people have asked me about that really. So i've had more customers d- come up to me. And furthermore the personal assistance of more customers. My boss has and they're all all like five or six requests of in the same car. Yeah classic fiat five hundred. Wow they all want to convert classic. Fiat five hundred. I've never driven an old fiat. Five hundred but i'm guessing it's fucking horrible. Nobody wants nobody wants the missing. And i've i've priced it out a bunch of weighs about fifty g's and you're looking at about eight months waiting list. There's about twenty shops in california. That'll do it for you. Wow and all of them have quoted the same price in the same waiting list. And ev west basically was like we don't even bother anymore really. They don't do builds anymore. They only sell the kits to other people. Do the builds ev west. That's cool was like you know them. They're down by you. And they had like pikes peak. Race car they they. They really were at least in this area. The first company to they built that m three which i had to go and it was fast as fuck okay and and they also started doing volkswagen beetles and their folks in microbus. I mean you wanna talk about something that is improved in thousand percent. I can't imagine how that would fit into beautiful but share. The microbus will the micro could see kapito. Just seems like it's so tight They took out the motor obviously and they put the The the motor controllers and the battery packs are pretty much there. It was cool. Yeah it worked very good but yeah microbus. Those talking about something can't get out of its own way right and totally put a lot of power. You make the thing one hundred horsepower. It will feel like a drag. Yeah definitely moving. Yeah what is what is in your streetcar stable. These days troll. Yeah we got the funky patrol. We just picked up. I got a gold leader And i have Obviously you know a duly or two that we use for towing trailers around Do i'll still street drive those dangerous. Because it's like. Yeah i'm gonna pick up something on my way to shop or whatever and then my nissan titan. Which i like kind of build like baha pre runner eskin did like a custom Long travel front end and things like that on it. The whole wide body nonsense. And that's about it. Yeah that's a good. That's a good list. Yeah yeah i mean you know a little bit. Everything i most like i said mostly drive the trucks Just because it's convenient around california. I don't really have You know i. I have a three seventy z. It's like in the back of his thinking about making a streetcar. and i'm just like i really don't need a streetcar. Outside of the datsun. You know it's like just gonna get myself in trouble. So i enjoy driving the trucks if i need something cruise around i got my dotson datsuns thing making like three hundred and sixty wheels so let me for a fucking waste. It's almost too much why it would be great. Yeah that's a lot of power for them. Yes absolutely is. He was just showing the video. The robot condor so that was thing. Oh yeah and the whole christmas talking about. It's a flatbed yup but it's a little different. Yeah so we're watching a video for the audio people. It drops the entire bed onto the ground behind the truck. Yeah so it's a a lay flat tow truck so different than anything that's ever been offered in the states because you always have to worry about that angle Which i know you're worried about with your Your saying you guys doubted in but Typical rollback coming up. That thirty angle. You gotta get all the would out all the boards out but this saying drops perfectly flat and so so all right on there and drag it back up. It's cool thing added japan and see there's a race car old enough that it's road legal. That's a ninety three dude. What is one of those go force at reasonable money be no. I think we paid by the time we paid for it. He got shipped here and carb legal which was still in the middle of doing. It's we're going to be like over forty on that thing. That's kind of a lot. I it gets cool but it's a lot it's a lot. You could definitely get a standard Tow truck for that much no problem. Yeah that's amazing. And it's on brand nissan for sure i've made out that thing that trade drop on on a truck here we know where it came from the real hard to find but some of the flat betters that we use here. Wcs chewed up with one of those nice. And i don't know how much it costs are where he got it. It was fucking bad ass. Cool six members seen we saw one when they had that bugatti over ray service. They had a trailer specific trailer for that thing. That's who it was. It was the bugatti trailer. Yeah so they Enclosed trailer sitting there and then like the whole tray rolls out they drive the car onto the cover the oregon trail like covered wagon comer on it right and they just dragged the whole thing into the enclosed trailer. And i was like. That's cool so this is the closer we get to convenient. So but yeah we're like we're gonna be starting up With that and one of our other enclosed trailers A tow service. You know with our our shop so not just not just bringing cars to our. We don't do customer work at the shot. We just work on our own fun projects but my so my truck driver Basically when he's not cruiser on the country He's going to be running around town with the the condor and or are enclosed trailer just doing like pickups and drops out because it seems like there's always someone who needs a car move so there is yeah. We do a lot of car-shipping here. I can only imagine the ton. I mean we do. We do a lot of local shipping. We our customers who live across town and don't want their cars drive driven flats across town and just drop it off in the driveway miles on it. They're not driving. I know for insurance. We have a thing we have to. We have to hand it to them. We can't leave it in the driveway and go away. He we have to deliver a cars to a person. Gotcha which is Which has come up. Yeah uplift curious how that works. So yeah you guys store the cars and load them up. Take him over john off they use it for the weekend and bring it back or something. A lot of the cars here probably sixty percent basically never leave their super long term storage either. The client live somewhere far away or the client is keeping these cars that they they really want to keep but they don't really need to use We've got quite a few cars that were inherited from from parents or whatever the car. The car's that are sentimental We've got probably ten fifteen cars that go out almost every weekend and the rest of them do a lot of sitting noticed a bunch of empty spaces on the ground level. Those are these used cars and everything that's up in. The air does a lot of sitting. Yeah so the nascar is not going out every weekend. That's a superspeedway car functional. What year bodies that one. It's a it's a danika car and it's a nationwide series car. And i want to say it's from like fifteen or sixteen But it superspeedway. So it's a symmetric and and it's got and it's meant for data so you know it's a fixed seat for like a five foot two girls so only there's only one guy who works here. Who's even small enough to like cram into it to steer it and so we that thing is pretty far out of the way we saw up in the corner it functions but But to start it you've got to hook up oil heater and warm up to one sixty two. We have that That twenty ten It's a road course car so it's not asymmetric right so it's Good for the left. The rights and we picked out one up and now is the one that we took to the drag strip and drag race and turks scattered the engine on. It wasn't exactly his fault but he just happened to be in the seat. Of course i drove it right before. I think that's when it got hurt. Maybe he jumped in and it's smoked it and so but But then yeah. That's the car that we put the two j in two so the to nascar. Oh yeah that's very interesting. Yeah still kicking around. Took it up to Button willow. we're doing Laps around there with it. Did you have a timer. What was it. I have a timer. Just shaking it down and testing it out and so you wanna get. We were really giving full polls. It was the first time having it out with the two j. Outside of just moving around the chef it was ripping down the street. Eight under wheel so it's more powerful than a nascar. Yeah that seems like a good time. A couple of four or six speed. It's still it's the same. One is the same driveshaft. Didn't adapter to the trans bolted. It all back in and we're like The josh still fits not awesome. You built a couple of franken cars for different shows and stuff like what what's been like what's been your favorite. And then what has been the biggest nightmare Biggest nightmare might be that to j. nascar just for several reasons but No that thing because it started off like oh we got this you nascar. We're going to do this do that. With it and it's like scattered the motive first time and then we We put a new two j into it. And then that thing's been giving us problems and so that's why like our test. They kind of got cut short. So we're just like a loaded backup back to shove going through the motor on again. So it's it's had very dry. D shouldn't have problems. That seems pretty straightforward. It was old it was old race motor. Oh that went into it and so yeah from from a buddy of arsenal fucking think. Yeah so it's a right. I'll tell you what and so we So yeah we're going through the motor right now getting rebuilt and It'll ideally be back running this summer so it's just not very high on the list If you will so just because you know f coming around so we're all working on that. But yes i think it'd be going back to say april already isn't long like long. Beach got postponed to september. So now we are doing wrote atlanta for the first round. That's may seventh and eighth so funny a couple weeks as good time. Oh it's the best time that's a good one you've been there. Of course you'll use turn twelve for the fucking no we use Down the straightaway. back straight Do the chicane into the keyhole and back back out. You come back out the way. You can Yeah rule saas awesome. Is it fun to drift there. Oh my god. It's like my favorite. Yeah when we're going to a good life that was just because you're going the whole way around the whole the whole circuits. That's bananas so me and turk- were hitting like almost like one forty or something coming down the hill the king and it was just like not a good idea. Four even the end user killer. Mike for ride i. They're riot time. He was well. He was riding in The race service Mercedes and had his wife in the car with us because he's a big guy. didn't exactly fit the tight so so he wrote in taste carcinoma. Yeah that's the plan. So yeah that car is like. I can't wait to get anything out two more tracks because horse thief malls fun. It's just like a lot of like you know straits and horseshoe straits horseshoe sell so we want to get that thing out and just let it eat on a big turn. So that's be what's it like entering a corner in a slide one hundred forty miles. An hour Sketchy at best. And so you kind of like so with with that car. You know we kind of like us that it's like the kink and like kinda like crests right there so that's kind of like where the car and we get to settle out to the right and do like a big breaking faint entry into the long beach or the Former of course and so. Yeah me and talk. We went up over the crest. The one time was into six gear and the am and fifth gear. Heads like one forty or one thirty five and so we're just like we did a based off like the fast and then the next year we did again with radar guns like you're five board breaking yeah like already sideways. It's it's a fucking long long. And we were initiating where the f. d. start line is yeah that's fucking nut. As far it's really far. You've got the downhill now. And it's a really slow entry from there. So you're going to from v. Max to like first year. The first year we're doing third. It's like a tight. End our corner site depending on your car. You might be i. Yeah so yeah so so. We're coming around. We're using the kink at nine as our initiation point. Yeah yeah so so. It's down the hill. Yeah yeah that's fucking crazy. Yeah it was. That was the dumbest thing we've done. Our cars was the first time. I like officially scared somebody out of the car because we did that tapped out. Four deep in the car and You know we do that. He was sitting left rear. So that the bad spot and we come around. We go into the pit to change tires. I'm guard. let's get back in. And he's like i'm i'm i'm done like. Wow okay i i wanna bring Good life ginger men this summer. Yes i want to bring the drift hummer. There you go to. Have you seen the mil spec guys out of detroit. Tomor drove it last week. In detroit the way it was fucking awesome. Yeah like proper. I believe it. We threw together that one on motor trend We put a derm accent and and we didn't do too much to the suspension. We just like you know. Lowered a little bit of power to nothing was of riot to drive this thing. Yeah it's got a it's got twelve hundred pound feet of torque. Yeah to speed you know two wheel drive transfer case. Arb locking diff- there you go. And it was lower there. S and the fifty two hundred pounds which for a hummer the crazy light maiden. No this is still that wants their stainless steel. I thought the one that we used was aluminum really. Is that true steel well. This cloth doors so I don't know and the fuck. The hood is fiberglass. I think that's one of those doors. Look weird clause out on ours. I requested to do the whole drift film with no with no doors on 'cause they come off in like two seconds and they're like dude. This is already sketchy. Oh yeah we did We did our whole thing with the no doors we had. Ah one Race seat on the driver side. But then my buddy jimmy who's like my crew chief and car guy and everything else. He's riding in the folding little bench seat on the passenger side just like no. This one has four four racing seats in it. Fucking thank god. Yeah oh yes. Let rip some beach shares in that shit. Yeah here's fun. It was very cool zone. Yeah yeah so. We took that thing out to But it does help to have street. Tires tom adrift. i think. Oh i believe we were in the dirt so it was. It was fun but Yeah we took it out and just had a thing. Sign around What was that base that we took it to irk irwin for darwin. One vegas yeah yeah sounds right guan so yeah they have blackhawks out there. You see that guy. Just don't go near that thing. Those guys you could do something so cool in of those guys but god forbid they appear to have a good time. Yeah we did some shit where we had some helping smile. Yeah we we lit up this old mercedes with machine guns and fucking all this crazy shit and these guys. They didn't find a liquor joy in any of it very disappointing. They're they're not allowed to show fun because like yeah. We had guys like you know. There is Six or seven of them that were hanging out with us the whole day. And like everyone's saw and be like this fucking awesome. It does this role Let's get to the people. What do we have. We got a lot. I saw that copied a bunch ham. Belvin says hey chris. I'm working on a two forty s. x. drift guard. A friend's garage is a good idea to use a heat gun. On some fuel pump wires overexposed. Full fuel tank That's not a great idea. way that's written implies. Have you confired doing that. I have not somebody i know. Yeah yeah that was from an old drifter saying the camera guy. He's like it's his car that were building and like while we're doing other stuff like Yeah if you want to you know finish up the fuel pump while we move on to something else and now he's back here got it like oh boy. Sure shit causes something on fire but It didn't get very bad but it was not good Ramon says what's your favorite special edition. Z. ooh Well one of my favorite Special dishes z. Commercials is black gold black school. Our old house. -eckognize little house in playa del rey. There was a guy up the road. Who's definitely some kind of a hoarder. But one of the things he had was a black gold z. Driveway recently drove by. It's still there zac. It's not looking very good. It's not it's not going well for that. Particular black gray and brown can go black. Gold is my favorite too. That's cool like a car. Yeah there was a red black to there was a black red. And i did not so strictly off the commercial right. I was embarrassing. I was watching porn stars. Someone brought in a black red and apparently there was fifteen hundred. Black gold's and five black red slow. The black red was rarer. Did not know that but it didn't have a cool theme song. Yeah chappie says for me. A great car design is one that looks good in any color. Example ferrari three fifty five. Fortunately living what's a great design measure for you guys. Looking good at any color is What's a great design measure. Oh my god. I don't know yeah. Visceral reaction to design either good or not fast martin like for good in pretty much any color yourself to being very round or two being very square. Can't try and bridge the gap between rounded square It doesn't really work. I do like You know very hard body lines which is why like. I like a lot of classic cars. You know but Yeah i like how they're coming back to that now like you see a lot of angular design in like the modern cars versus like You know early two thousands. everything's real. Yeah the bubble cars. Yeah they had to. They were following the injection molded plastic. Now it's nick says i know it doesn't affect directly affect pro. Fd drivers but how do you feel about the new rules in the pro to program Can't wait to see you in saint louis. Do you know about the new rules in proto. I certainly do so with protein has now become pro spec and so i think what form adrift is trying to do is have it. Just be a more affordable series to get into Gt three versus gt. Four right and so on forma drifts. Pro one cars what we were on. You can do You know custom steering columns custom you know pedal systems You know everybody puts the writer in the back things like that but now pro spec. They're eliminating that so you must run a factory column. You must run factory brake pedals. Most run the rat eater in the factory position. And i don't technically agree with it because there are certain things Especially the the right here in the front is very difficult to fit properly when you're doing certain engine swaps which everybody's stuff some in the back it out of the way and not that it can't be done but it's difficult to have your car not overheat when you're trying to work in a more confined space right and so they're doing it for cost reasons and trying to make these cars cheaper to build more accessible with sean. I mean the thing is yes. It might be cheap for that series but the thing is anyone that's running in pro spec is trying to get into for one so they build their cars to pro one specs and then they run impromptu as long as to And so now it's like they have to go back and rebuild their car to be competitive in pro one so Right so you're making. These people spend more money to change their cars. Yeah and someone who is starting from scratch has to go down one direction only to have to change direction. Yeah to get to the next level beyond that you can't evolve with the car And so i see the theories like oh already came with these. you know stock components. So we're saving you money but on the same hand it's like sometimes more difficult to make the factory stuff work it is just by. You know the better aftermarket lighter more reliable solution so even like onto forties For example like the most popular car out there People will break their clutch pedals in there because he put a heavy duty clutch pedal in and the steel. The spot welded steel. Eventually wear out and so you have to reinforce them to run them. Which is why most people just remove them and so there's certain things that you should be able to upgrade for safety reasons. Yeah sure do you think they need like a third level feeder series just below so you could have front radiator at level three and then when it's time to move to pro pro spec then you'd go can i you get you need to be closer to that. Pro one car anyway. Yeah yeah there's basically pro-am right and so pro-am springs or these other tracks and that is what you have to finish in a certain position to move into pro spec right. Well what is now prospect and so yeah like you would think that would be the series that would kind of put these roles into place but former jeff conscious Took it in their own control to have this very visual difference between a car and the lower tier norm. Okay which You know i i. It's it's pros and cons for me. Like i think that you should be able to have those two cars being built on the same platform because the big difference is they run much smaller tires slows them down. Mexico is a little cheaper because they don't need to make the horse power or have the drive train that the pro one car has but they can buy that stuff you know so that it's there for the future and make the investment out of the gate. but they could run Cheaper drive train or make less horsepower because they're spinning a much retire john but yeah rebuilding the car as far as like you know moving things around replacing things like that. Not just like turning the wakeup orb buying a slightly nicer transmission. You know the next year. Upgrading it so to speak Seems like a smarter way to go. Yeah i'll take that perspective. I'll take your perspective over a lock a lot of other people's We'll skip those are any of these. Let's skip the ones. That are not about chris Jericho poison fifteen fifty three Chris mentioned he went to the drag guys for the engine. Do you still need to rebuild the motor every twenty to thirty runs or can you get away with more runs. Because you're not doing launches every time. So yeah this year we're working with T. one t. one race. Which are the guys that. are just the absolute fastest. Gdr's in the world. And so they were they out of texas. Yeah sean so They are specifically into drag racing But yeah with drifting. It's drag racing. Yes is very hard on a motor. But as for a short duration of time the engines. Don't heat up as much really when you think about it And they typically kind of flashing through the rpm whereas with a drift car. It's it's a thirty second pass. And yes you're not floored for the entire thirty seconds but say like you know fifteen or so so it's like twice the length of a drag on and it's basically sitting on the regular that whole time and sometimes for some portions of it. The revs don't correspond to speed. Yeah no yeah. So you'll be spending eight thousand rpm and going thirty five miles an hour part of it. So the engine doesn't really know how fast you're going. It's just basically you know. Would it all the way through the course your rear mounted radiator getting any natural cooling or is it just fans it's mostly fans okay and so The engines really get most of their cooling after the runs done so when you basically clutch in your neutron. You're rolling back to the start line. That's when you see the really come down but during the run so essentially you imagine. The motors is on the red line for at least two thirds of the lap. So whether it's on the power or the clutches in keeping the revs up and so there's all that and then guys have any lag thing is just running boost when you're off throttle so there's a lot of wear and tear going on those motors right but Yeah the t. One guy is a built a fantastic motor. And i still see us being able to get through a full season without having to change it. That's the ideal so run one season on one motor. Pull it out and have it. Refresh put the next motor and just kind of keep a loop between the two and this is the ultimate this is not the this scorecards. The ultimate has keep a spare the around right. You got to finish if you're so. Yeah we have a spare motor now for the program We actually have we. We had a motor failure irwindale But it was that that was a little tired. It was It was a strange situation. We're trying to we're asking for more power out of it than we should have Basically running nitrous all the way at the top and so trying to make more power on the top and then the turbos would allow nitrous on top of the boost instead of just using it the school and so we're probably making like thirteen hundred foot pounds of torque or so at least and so we basically We broke the crank in it which broke the block. Yeah catastrophic and when we didn't happen to have our spare motor nitrous to spoil the turbos and so there's data and we also yeah and we also have A few more upgrades on the engine to make a hold more power and basically built components around the crank. So there's like a girdle a main caps and stuff that we did now and Also running bigger turbos So yeah we don't need to use a nitrous because niger's hits a lot harder right yeah Re you choose says what is the downside of a super powerful. Ev billed as drift missile. I mean we discussed that before. I don't know if the question came in before and after I don't really know what would be bad about using e for drifting other than it might be hard to modulate the throttle without gears. The biggest thing that they struggled with was they didn't have a means of controlling the wheel speeds so just on the pedal so like you know if you're going forty miles an hour you wanna hold like forty percent and sell on so it was really difficult for the driver to modulate the wheel speed whereas i feel like you could if you have someone. That's good enough with electron ix. You essentially make like a high nilo gear essentially so like you know basically make a fake shifter and so you run like how we were down from fourth to third and backup the fourth. It's like okay like launch out of the whole. Get up you know. Have it in the gear. And then when you're slowing down you basically push a lever and toggles it to like a max. Rpm of x. amount. I think you could also just run it into a gearbox actual gearbox. These guys had it you know the typical drive change the motor right to the acuras right. yeah right and the trains. Actually i guess i am is working on this crate motor in theory. Yeah you can switch. It can put in a bell housing and yet on a gearbox sola deal. Yeah in theory would work but i think a lot of the problems like whenever. I've taken viana a racetrack. It's always you know the fucking faster unplugged performance Tesla which has like three fifteen square stance. You know fucking ceramic brakes. Tesla's being right runs a fifty five of button willow. Gt three speeds. But same thing with all evt's the corner entry speed. It's not like okay. It's third year corner. It's like if i don't slow down to. I will sail this motherfucker off a cliff and i have no perception of what that sounds or feels like unless unless legit just like. Look at the number on the speedometer. You know point it's weird. Yeah weird like that. Yeah that's basically his biggest complaint was like it. Just everything felt numb right. Driving that thing. travis reader and so it was It was good to see it out there. But yeah and like Yeah there just needs to be a little more technology in in those chances before those Power plants before they really become easy to use for drift. Yeah christian says How's your non drift driving. Do you enjoy grip. I do enjoy grip. It's actually it's It's a lot of fun. I've been doing a little bit more recently You know with the nascar then. We now have a z. That we built specifically for road racing. I haven't gotten into it yet. We actually have a four hundred coming. I do oh yeah oh yeah that's not sure exactly when but it's coming yeah so But yeah we have A A new driver on the team names brian. Hi khader. and he is a ripper absolute ripper and so he came from the nissan. Gt academy program. Actually he was the first winner and he got put into the gt three program and so he racism. Ah i don't think he did la but he race in the us based ceres with nissan from twenty like what was it like fourteen through seventeen and so he actually he won a few events. He podium the bunch and Yeah just very very calm. Collected driver in the The gt three gtri On like you know i. Two minute lapse like Circa the americas and Yeah there is ripping in the The new gop z. Which is our road race build That will be competing at grid life the o. z. Was that well. So it's a take on the name so. Gop see the grid. Life touring cup at the fucking fits fits quite evolution or is that just what there is that what. They're calling their time attack series. Oh yeah so well no. It's that time attack. This is wheeled wheel racing. They have time attack but now they have the. Gtc which touring cup so of horsepower versus weight versus tire and so they have a formula that they plug in and it's really close racing also races coal Twenty minutes oh yes they do like four of them in a weekend too. So they'll do like a practice and a qualifying race and then race race race and it's fucking cool. It's really cool. So that was our outing at the americas earlier this march. We've finished that car. We have zero testing straight to the track. I was just one of those. We built that car in five weeks. And so that's We took it out there and he finished fourth overall on the weekend debut weekend. Yeah cool and so it's Yeah it was great and so we're looking for. We already found like a ton of things that were upgrading on the car. Like redoing the rear spoiler. Because i would have way too much drag. What was absolutely killing us was The aps unit was pretty upset and was like locking tires up here and there because the brakes were more powerful than the aps could compute and so basically sent into ice motive too hard on the brakes. Yeah and so. We're redoing abs system. We fixed is on the brakes a little bit. We lose lost a little bit of weight on the car. We re redoing the spoiler and some more arrow items because he would get the drive. You know come out of the corner and be like up on the back straight and you just call him back. Frustrating and i'm just sitting there watching fucking dot components. That's just the. I know just like just watching like the drag. You know just like pull the car back like he had a parachute on sound but set up right taken me really fun. I don't like them out of the box. But when you when you put the right the right stuff on yeah. You can't say that. But i can't. I don't like him out of the box. You put the right stuff on them now and they can be a really good time he. He was saying the cars driving grade. There's just you know first time out like little woes and But it's it's a stock motor stock motoryacht. She had the d. tune it because to make the way that was making like Two hundred and twenty-five we'll horsepower. So because it's a race. I i'd like to go out and like a spec forty six or something in that series and that'd be fun like a forty-six three thirty something like that would probably work about right. Yeah it probably would be good. There's a bunch of miatas came out there now. there's K twenty four. Swamped fits years things mob. Yeah there's no no fits in jail t's see but There are the all the miatas are k twenty spots Yeah so they're pretty quick couple S thousands like a couple other hondas. eeg out there. That's been pretty hard. So the grid life guys all the honda bax fucking mob on those guys. Look a hundred horsepower running crazy lap times in that lives. Yeah so. That's like the first time i've really got so i was out running that event. It's like kinda crew chief wasn't driving like this is fun was enjoying. Yeah he wants to know what you think about sim. Drifting is good for practice. Is it good fun. What's what's your take on it. So so yeah. I have A sim setup from rick attack. And it's got like the slide sense based and everything so it's pretty fun and so we do move as so it's That's actually how we got linked up with high khader because he's a absolute killer on the sim like he won the The sro e sports championship last year and So we got linked up with him. When i got mine as like just help me set it up and that Gt three gt. That you saw there. That's what we race. So we have it all brand up with our current partners and we've run an sro series and But yeah so. I'll also do drifting on it. We use a set of course For it and Yeah it's a ton of fun. I wouldn't say it's like the best practice. But it's better than no practice drifting. We're driving those things like twice a month at best dude. You gotta get the la canyons mod for a set. Of course shit. I don't have a name was phoenix and he made based on google maps. And my videos. Yeah an exact replica of the angeles national forest. That's awesome the roots. That i drive in our videos and i go up there. My friends got a set. Of course a couple fucking cocktails. Yeah i get in my lamborghini half drunk virtually Except in virtually it has a handbrake in this. He's got the dogleg shifted setup. But i also have a handbrake and it is very good. Yeah i really liked. The sim stuff. Do you do the vr screen. A little nauseous with the screen. Just give me the big the big three golden. Yeah yeah i really enjoy the sim stuff. It's it's Don't read it me and tell me all the things. I need to do with me or to make it better. Yeah don't do i. Don't fucking care screams. This is me set in my ways. Yes is leaving jack. Martin photography says christie. We're supposed to be one of the drift commentators world time attack sydney in two thousand sixteen. Where did you end up. Because i remember you were mike disappearing. Potty might jim yeah yeah so i went out to the world. Tax sydney two thousand sixteen was supposed drive three. Seventy z with vk. Fifty six. Just like my car this guy. josh from mca. It was real nice guy and offered his car up and Yeah sure enough that thing throughout the side and i practice so yeah so fucking away from home to prepare and like i mean they re wrapped the car to match my pro car and everything and yeah it was. It was a letdown for sure. And so so they pulled out like a local guy had a two four l. s. motor in it and it was just like not not the it like four hundred horsepower and against like mad mike and everyone else. And they're like proper like eight hundred horsepower cars and yeah i just Oh i had diago in the qualifying. Guess diago and i'm just like great. So yeah i got knocked out first round. Who knew A fucking mad. Mike that guy rules. He's awesome. We met him at lead foot. He was the coolest yeah. He's a very cool dude. You ever lead foot. it's really fun. It's the hill climbing millions driveway. So awesome haven't made it that one but Yeah i see Mike lot out at Good woods been there for a good. What is i need to get to the next one. Blow your fucking mind dude. Carbon on the planet. I wanted to go. I this i got a call from mas- from singer. Mass is the one the the guy from singer who's not famous rob dickinson is gets all the credit but mazuz the other guy that nobody hears about and goes. Hey man you can get a good with this year. And i was like well. I'd like to get she goes. I need some of the drive. The singer up the hill. Excuse me and he goes looking level with you. That's the kind of thing we're when i tell you on the phone cord. Sounds you want to go and goes but there's a reason i don't wanna go because you have to sit in the woods for three hours waiting waiting. Dr singer and i got shit to do if i'm going over. There can't sit in the woods near hours. And i was like well. I'm not sure if. I want to sit in the woods for three hours here in. La no-can-do. i was like fuck. Yeah well here's a sit like so you have you have your time right your classic group or whatever that you're running in and Like i have a bunch of you know instagram stories and videos and stuff like so you get grouped up and so you're waiting but you're with Similar cars are the drift. Group has also with like like old groupie rally cars and like all these like open wheel race cars and all just like the. It's like the misfits of right and We get thrown together and so he basically like you move into different Staging areas right so you you grew up in like like right out of tents and it's it's very open as in you'll have the gnarliest cars in open canvas side tents right and like everyone's very respectful and nobody messes way and so you pull out tens. Y'all get in line and you kind of sit there and you. Can you hop out the car. You walk up and down the line. There's people around. They're all looking at the cars and you move down to the little parking lot and you grew up there same thing you can hop out go. Checkout cars take pictures and it's like okay moving. You know the are blowing the whistle. You get back in your cars. They tell you fire out and you see people start stage out you move into so there's probably like four or five like little staging areas into like enjoy the cars in your group and then you're really liked this. Yes if anyone ever gives you the opportunity to go to goodwa especially dr someone else's car you have to take i you. There's a lot of a lot of pressure drivers singer up the hill in front of a crowd of people would really like to see you. Sail into the fucking. Hey bill i know you just you just cruise it up there. I know there's a lot of people that just rip the hill as hard as they can and there's other people are just like there's waving on their way so people were going for times right. There's no there's a wreck commentators fucking do it. Treat it like it's time. Yeah there. There is a shootout do so they get close to that wall so we go like yeah. We're trying to drink the whole thing from start to finish. It isn't like twenty feet wide. It's not like yeah. Yeah you're like catching hay bales and it gets. The lead foot is about the same size in terms of with and the only guardrails are. Hey bails and it's pretty short but it's speed is lower. Lead foot is much straight away. Yeah the speeds are way lower. The straightaways are not nearly as long. Yeah i mean. I fourth in my. Va car sales. Buck twenty four. We pitched into the one turn. Bad news definitely hit the hails. One day i don't think you'd see over seventy or eighty eh very like hill like more and more hill-climb e than Like good was almost like a road race fast. I wanna watch that. And i really wanna watch t for that control Cover and then we wrap it up. I don't really understand this but Pool wants to paraphrase. This is a transition to pro drifting similar to other pro motorsports time skill and luck verse starting from the womb. Does that question mean you're already adult too late to get into protest so because you know you imagine like you know. I'm not gonna like well. I mean i'm i'm a race but you're not gonna be you know a thirty year old. That's like i want to be an nfl on driver now and just like start doing that. It's just not enough time But yeah pro. Drifting i've i've seen people go from being like a auto cross urges like enjoys the controlling car around to being like i want to do pro drifting and you can move up the ladder in like five years and so it's yeah You know dedication time and skill you can be a pro drifter so it's I mean alex yeager right like we used to watch him do videos on the drive on drive youtube channel rally stuff and stuff and then i kind of like blink for a little bit and it's like i know this guy he's right. Yeah yeah he's running back this year. So and yeah. We're helping him out with the car. Build through i mean. Motorsports is You know doing the physical carbo. I'm providing him with a bunch of parts and You know basically just like it like put this here do this here and like you know. I've worked with brian. Adam a when we had our Eight setup championships or two of them Our most successful years for sure we were top three four years oil and so he's building eggers car like a mere of our car essentially like we sent him our turbo manifold the turbos four and everything else and package. And you know so. They're getting that thing all doubt him but yeah so You know driver like that where it's just like you are a good driver and you want to be a pro drifter If you have the wherewithal to control car and the patients you know because getting over that first hurdle of like letting the wheel slip and you know knowing how to drive the car is the hardest part and then from there. It's just yeah. I mean it's just impractical. It takes it takes time of course and skill and But yeah it's a lot easier than you know to. Just i want to be a nascar driver. one day they're just just A it's mostly because there's a larger pool of drivers go into a smaller. You know Area so with there's just endless. Endless people that are racing. You know carding an open wheel. The driver in nascar's endless guys that are running sprint cars. All around the country. I to be nascar drivers but with drifting it's it's still so small that you can work your way through it. Yeah and there's like room in the series for like independent money independent. Tm stuff like that. It's not like there's a. Richard childress the need to like audition for example. Still young enough where you get in. Yeah cut door crunch says actual question. Should i learn to drift on my s. fourteen my age thirty or my nc miata s. Fourteen that's fourteen like what they are for the bill for the four that and pretty much nothing else. What you see is the next affordable drift car. I fundamentally disagree with the second. Half of the s. Three fifty and three seven. Easy prices climb. I disagree those prices are dropping rafter. They're not climbing. And as when the four hundred comes out they won't all of a sudden go up they'll continue to go down I don't yeah. Well the next affordable drift car. I mean bro. There's all the mustangs in the world out there so We used to tell everyone. Like oh get it to forty to forty but like the thing with that is You have to do an engine swap. So now it's affordable to get something that comes with a six cylinder ornate cylinder and so you can get an a. z. And have a drivetrain. That'll take you up to like sixty mile an hour drifts with having to really do any upgrades transmission can take it. The axles can take you know whereas with the to forty. It's like oh. I got to do a whole engine up and blow transplant. He's okay now. Better transmissions and blow. Yeah i feel like man. I feel like a stock camaro s with an angle. Kit will get you fucking ninety percent of the way. It's a pretty far pretty far one of those things. Yeah and you're and you don't have to do anything really. I mean got plenty of power. You got if you need your. They're absolutely thanks for coming in man. Shit very cool to see the facility and the studios killer. Thanks not enough for very long No that opens september. Yeah or full. Yeah sold it out. Now it's awesome. Yeah dude. Chris is going to be racing. The it's the three seventy still. This year ended farewell tour farewell tour the number sixty four Nas energy drink in formula d this year starting says the nathan road atlanta. Yeah and not in long beach until september. That's right all right. Well come out come to long beach for sure irwindale. Still the finale. it is. Yeah so there's like no so. Is it long beach. And then oh get to keep it. Local at the ad doubleheader. That's fucking cool man. Can i can sneak. Erogenous altima somehow i gotta have a go in all you say. You're going to come to grill michigan right. I'd like to if we can if we can make it work. Couple lives with the car. There'll be a few other events that we're going to do but That things are to leave town. ended next month To go to Actually ginger men not the big event. They do two year ginger festival and then they do another one. So the first one's more chill will be at that Gonna hit a couple of events and the chicago midwest area for The gra life guys and then Alpine horizon is in colorado springs. And then back to mid west for Ginger again and then we'll be back in california. You make it out to to go to one of them we got we got zach off road trip coming up to six hundred miles off road in the on the southern california backcountry discovery route. And then we're also doing the safari southwest rally which is a fifteen safari nine. Eleven's no way. The kean kean cars and Larry's gonna come shoot it and You know bryson you must know bryson. The painter bryson the painters out of atlanta. He's he's li canes paint guy for faris but he's in the grid life crowd as well. He's got he's always got this crazy. Civic hatchback that he paints in nyc crazy liveries every year. Okay and he's now doing this cayenne shit with With these guys but he has a crazy civic race car that it looks like it's got decals on it but it's actually all paint like race liveries painted on. Yeah it's really cool that's cool. And so he's he's he's the support vehicle so that if the dates if the dates workout definitely grid life ginger men for sure. Yeah for sure there. We'll get you in the car. No problem yeah and is the. What's the website forsberg racing dot com for chris. Forsberg racing dot com. That'll get you. There is a couple of will as well but Yeah and then. Chris forsberg sixty four on on iran. Yeah thanks dude times. Thank you for coming in appreciate man. This is fun that is our show everybody for the live people. I'm doing a session on air with chris. James hand tomorrow. we're breaking down rise against on. Instagram is going to be very fun. 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381: Gordon Hayward's Motivation For Leaving w/ Chris Forsberg

Celtics Beat

57:00 min | 9 months ago

381: Gordon Hayward's Motivation For Leaving w/ Chris Forsberg

"Today is Thursday November 5th. And this is Celtics beat on the clns media Network the leading online provider of audio video coverage of the Boston Celtics. I'm Adam Kaufman episode 381 featuring NBC Sports. Boston Celtics writer. Chris forsberg is powered by betonline.ag and theragun try theragun for 30 days today by going to theragun.com slash beat go to bed online right now for your exclusive sign up bonus cash. Okay everybody Welcome in nice new addition to Celtic speed here for you. We were just with you on Sunday right back on a Thursday. We don't have a president yet and we don't need everyone's going to do so, there's just so much uncertainty here in the world. Welcome in Adam Kaufman, you know, Evan Valenti are always producers sometimes host. And of course Chris forsberg who we don't have all that often off. Because we don't like him we happen to love. Um, we just feel he's already got multiple podcast that he does over at NBC Sports Boston the guys probably tired of talking. How are you you've already told me like I'm over exposed and that hurt that hurt my feelings. I was like man, I used to be the go-to guy. I was like and I was laying low and now like no one calls anymore. I'm just hanging out in the base where my dog so, you know, like anytime I'm here registry me a shout anyone that's watching by the way versus listening the basement looks great. Great. Yeah looks like you're it's weird talking about here lately real definitely. Yeah that hoop next to them to overthrow right shoulder. It's it's it's it is actually regulation. It is just speculation. No funny story but nothing too much more chance, but when I was first planning this out, I wanted a basketball-themed back of people can't see if there's a box in front of me and maybe my mini-fridge next thing with loaded with drinks or soda and uses sure, you know, but for the for the hoop, I was going to take an old basketball hoop wage. Where the full-sized rim and put it up and then I actually went outside and grabbed an old hoop and realized like you forget how big a basketball hoop is like it would take up an enormous amount of this wall. And so we we we got the mini hoop and shouts to Amazon. I think I found it on there. Yeah looks pretty good. My kids would enjoy we still got the I mean, what is it like Little Tikes? Is that the brand maybe the took like five foot hope that fortunately my gas. You know that eight year old 5 year old and then the two-year-old is just kind of figuring it out right now, but he ate and five-year-old. It's just it's dunk contests in the basement every single day. We have one outside and it gets plenty of years. Whenever people are bored. I wish one of you as long as you've been dumped on yet by your kids your kids. Well I have but only because they make me play game on my knees when I'm going against excuses, huh? Well, but so have you guys seen the there was this video that went yet, you know viral of yeah the the dad that is dead. It's trying to score out of me keeps blocking a block and a blocking them and the kid just you know, great little side step in the clubs them in the stones and then scores. Yeah, it was great. So my kids though took my five year old will do I'd like to believe it's not on purpose because otherwise I think I'd disown him but he will he will charge at me running full speed and I'm about to go with my right hand to block the shot, which I obviously I could do effortlessly he's five but then he will need me straight in the nads as he's going up for the shot and I will go down whimpering and he's just celebrating like you want a championship in a while. I do that to somebody like Kyle Lowry or somebody in the in the in the Eastern Conference enemies there that just reminds me he's just he's just taking a page out a lot of make you smoke. That's that's good stuff off her know if you leave yourself open to it defensively you deserve it. I think is a euro-step to like he's already got the you know, they're going the left or ride making you move your right just a matter of time, you know, as far as a matter of time goes a matter of time until this season starts and get all these reports that are coming out, you know Fast and Furious at first it look like Martin Luther King Day for the start of next season, then it was and and this is me skipping over all these are going to be December 1st. Is it going to be Christmas day now, it's after the new year. So we go to Martin Luther King day. And then the the NBA want to start earlier with the 72 Game season, maybe a mid-season tournament maybe who knows back in Disney World inside the bubble all much to be determined first half schedule 2nd half schedule. There are a lot of unknowns as we chat right now and it's going to be that way for a little while but it sounds like and you can add to this and tell me if there's anything that I'm missing that that you've read or reported on but it seems like the league In the PA are closing in on an agreement for a December 22nd start and if that ends up happening, so just a few days prior to Christmas. It's all about money. We know that so they want to get as much of of the Season change in as they can as as full of season as they can stay on schedule as much as possible fulfill. The networks have Christmas basketball all the media Partnerships all that stuff. That is what drives all this even before health and safety issue. We know that that's just That's The Way of the World unfortunately, but what it does for the calendar is you have the draft coming up later this month and just a couple of weeks and then you would have free agency began on I think the 21st or 22nd based on what's out there right now. So this offseason if this all goes on track Chris is going to go in a blink. Yeah. I'm getting my golf in while I can because I feel like it's just going to it's going to snowball really really quick here and just like you said if there was a point where I think there was like a report. Someone said, oh, maybe they will wait till March because I mean understandably, so right you want to get as many butts in seats as you can and but I think the the wage With that, unfortunately that the coronavirus is stuck around and you know, the realization that would probably not going to have bands inside especially baseball stadiums for considerable amount of time here has just left us wondering if it's the NBA wondering if it's better to just hit the accelerator and get going and at least with 72 games you fulfill your Regional Sports contracts, like look I work for one, you know, it's important to them because the to make that money and so it does seem like you know by like we're recording this Thursday afternoon by the time this thing gets up on the web. There's a chance that the players will have voted on this and we'll have probably some more details about how's it all going to look and just like you said, I think we're not in the draft on the 18th. I'd be very surprised the free agency wasn't right right afterwards. And you know, like teams are going to have training camp start on December one project. And so it's just going to go quick not a bad thing. I don't maybe we won't have to worry about the moratorium which doesn't even exist. Anyway, like they just people signing anyway, but yeah, it's going to suck. It's going to be interesting to see how can build rosters really really quickly and you know going to make decisions. Right? Like you're just going to get your Ross. You gotta get the guys you like that all being said their home that I've had 10 months to plan for this moment. And Danny into the Celtics had been ready for drafts since probably the middle of March. So I'll be interested to see how it plays out. It could be a lot of fun. I wish it was a better free agent class, you know, I have to be frenetic with but at least it'll be something I'm going to twist kind of an obvious question on you right here. And I'm going to take it from the angle that we haven't really been taking it from which is Thursday. We know that so the biggest offseason question mark and and tell me if you disagree but to me the biggest offseason question mark facing the Celtics right now is obviously Gordon hayward's future, but the thing is, it starts with him. As far as making that decision. Does he opt in does he opt out if he does opt-in is it to stay do you try and trade him if he opts out is it to leave in free agency is Ryan Russillo on the ringer off? Bill Simmons podcast said he does want out and we'll get to all of that or is it to re-sign for longer-term Less, you know average annual value. So Gordon Hayward and the Celtics as it relates to once he makes up his mind. There are a lot of decisions but What is the biggest question facing the Celtics that they have control over as things stand right now? Especially what a swerve you set up like Gordon Hayward for two minutes. And now you're like I'm getting all my mind's all racing about what we're going to do Gordon, but but but Gordon like Gordon's a domino and maybe that's that's how this works for Danny Ainge. But but like what's the biggest question facing Danny Ainge that he had control over right here if free agency and the draft and all that stuff really is inside the next few weeks. Yeah. So I you know, like my mind jumps there. I was I mean, it's got three first-round picks you could control over that but like if if if you believe that there is interest in moving up and understandably. So right they don't have three rows response really that they can carve out for more rookies you know than than that's that's something they've got to figure out and that but that's a little bit outside their control, you know can move those pictures for you know, an established player and take the draft, you know part of it out of it and and just no more known commodity. So I think the biggest thing for them is figuring Out what do they need to improve on right and you know the two questions I always get invariably or Bob Gordon Hayward, but the next one is what are they going to do about the big man situation and you know to me I think there's a potential for you know, maybe finding another body in the draft, but I think it's a little bit overstated and I think any place played really well last year. I think Robert Williams like you guys know on the president of the time would fan club. I think if they give them a sustained opportunity and if he can stay healthy, there's a chance there and Grant Williams will play a lot of small bomb this year. And I think he's proven he's a little bit more ready for that than maybe was at the start of the year and with an evolving wage point shots. I think they're they're in a better spot than people give them credit for you know, but still certainly all right who's defending indeed, you know, like my guy and his cancer. I don't know if he's back in like or even if he hops in I think there's a good chance that they move them because they need to create playing time for the the two Williams. And so I'll be very interested to see how they sort of get the depth chart ready and you know, do they dead Do they pursue the free-agent Market? You know, where are they more comfortable sort of adding to this? I think the one thing is for the long-term sustainability. They need to be able to hit on draft picks and have those as young valuable pieces of this Corps. So to me, that's the that's the most pressing need that they have control of like getting a chance to trust the amount of work they put in to this draft to take you be able to get the right guys. The jury is still out on last year. You know, I think Romeo's got potential grants already shown what he can do, but you know, whether they they got a hit on these pics and that's moving up moving out or whatever whatever they do seem to be the right move. So if he doesn't have control over much at all right now right now, right like I I hate to say that but it I don't know if anyone in the league has control over anything right like, you know Golden State sitting there and number two in the draft and they're thinking well, you know, we don't want to use number two because the draft is weird this year and we don't know if the values of stuff so it's just kind of strange offseason, you know, and and maybe Define maybe. I'll make it a little bit more unique. But yeah, a lot of stuff is outside their control and they must know better than us, you know, and they won't let on about 1 about like what they know about Jordan Future and to what about what they might do with the draft, but I think you just gotta be flexible. And that's part of being a good team is knowing. You know, when you have to take a different Avenue in the road and I think the Celtics are well-prepared. They've always sort of been like last year. They go into the draft and we're all sitting there saying well one they're not going to take four pics because they don't have the roster space for it. And you know, there's a whole bunch of in certain because uh, Al Horford a long career because well, well the trade days and we're also the same well, that's curious. It was they open up from so again, they had planned like okay we can get young guys. We can still get Kemba in free agency, you know, you just gotta be ready to take over the rotate you and they're usually pretty good about that. Yeah, that's that last part about being flexible and roster flexibilty is something that Danny always looks for and that's one thing that if you look at other gems of League again, he's always right as Jake if he needs to do it any moment or zag when he's home with any moment so things that you can control yeah, like being able to stay flexible as the MBA changes is one of Danny's best skills in order to again. Nobody saw Kyrie need a leaving it off season and yet you have Jenny, right they're able to plug, you know, go get a Kemba Walker for a sign-and-trade with Terry Rozier, you know, bring cambri give them a legit point guard and be able to maybe your faith to get the draft a little bit differently with some of the pics they have and you know, you talk about improvements. That's the only he doesn't have control over. You know, the young guys. They I don't think they missed on draft picks either sync with the guys that they picked need more development. Right? I mean Romeo was much is very far from finished product. There's a lot of flashes where you're like, wow, this guy can really, you know defend his ass off. You see that you see a little bit of a wage You know a little bit of a jump shot got like and you know, not afraid to get to the basket. So that's nice the the Williams pear, you know, I love the fact that Grant Williams for the start hitting threes in the playoffs after going like 0485 his first couple of months too weak to start becoming a really reliable three-point shooter and moving the ball really well and again just kind of banking on internal improvements. So as Danny keeps going here. He's just gotta find a way to be able to stay flexible and and be able to to move in different directions while maintaining the core because we talked about this with the company the last week, you know, that that core is is Tamer is brown is I would throw Kemba in there and I'll throw Smart in there that's there for guys that they're part of their core. How do you keep those guys intact and maximize their abilities and that's the only thing that any song can control and how he you know addresses that as it go forwards to be religious in Chris. One hundred percent and I think it's about keeping the I mean, I drill it down to like, how do you keep tatem brown happy, you know because there's such a key part of what's going to happen from here and like look I think him as part of that wage and like the name will be very interesting moving forward. And you know, how does he feel after a shorter offseason window? You know, I think you know part of what's working against Boston here is we thought maybe if they did get into January that's another month for Kevin a start getting that new right? I'll be very interested to see how they they bring him along especially if they're if it's game Heavy out of the gates, you know, and if LeBron going to rest are you going to rest of your guys and load manage? That hasn't been Brad's think you know, it's been too selfish things to bring guys along slowly and you know find them specific reference all that would come right in the bubble games, but that's the bubble games. Right? Like it's a little bit different when you know, you start of the season and it it's a long time. So I'll just have to see how they manage that but like, you know, a lot of your decisions moving forward have to be under the guise of how we maximize engagement Tatum's window and so like I think everything has to be through Thursday. I hadn't and so from the free agents you go get what's up? Harry Giles. I know you you know out there in with his body like, you know, who does Tatum want to play with and and what that to me is actually I know we joke about it, but I think that's legitimate things. And so, you know, when when Kayden post that picture of our bands on Snapchat, I'm Danny. All right, the agent what's going to take we we have enough with taxpayer mid-level to make that happen, you know, so I just be fascinated to see how they move but everything has to be like Jayson Tatum hook that window with his development that title window and opened it this year a little bit earlier than I think we expected and now you got to maximize speaking of maximizing. Can you just clear up any sort of uncertainty because there have been different figures that have been floated about as it relates to Jayson Tatum and a Max contract. What is he staring at right now in terms of Danny Ainge obviously maxing him out financially. What what kind of money are we looking at for him? Yeah. I mean it'll depend on where the cap is said and where it goes next year, but you know, so essentially he can come down. And because he was all NBA, you know, they can write in that if he gets all NBA again this season up to the supermax, which is up to I think 30% 35mm going to mess up my numbers for their a volt going up but you don't have to go all the way to the number you can you know, you could say like if he's first email MB he gets this the full Supermac hippies second team. He gets 28% 32 percent whatever the number is wrong. And so like look it's going to be the biggest contract himself is history regardless, just because of you know, the the time you know, he'll fight for that fifth year to be a player option. The Celtics will fight for it to be a team option or you know, just a straight year. And so, you know, that's a tug-of-war you get away but there's not a lot of the decisions to make I've heard a lot of people say well maybe he should wait, you know, you'll hear a lot about Miami waiting to sign up Auto bio not this summer, but they'll wait till next year to maintain cap flexibility. That's more to Tracy honest than anything to do with the salary cap. You know, it's not going to go up enough in these times to make it where a guy if you log Did but unfortunately potato you know, without this pandemic. You probably make it a whole lot more money than he's going to but we're quibbling when the number or something like, you know hundred and sixty million versus a hundred sixty 1 million or whatever it is, but it's going to be a Gadi number and I would be surprised if it wasn't one of the first things that gets done this offseason. It's there's no rush to do it except for it's got to be done before the season starts off. But you know, it's just it's just a formality at this point in my mind. I don't see a reason why wouldn't get done. Well, I thought I saw some super max numbers that were up over two hundred million to it could be I'm trying to think I'm trying to think about them. And so, you know, like because so like let's just say the cap is at 1:20 and he gets 30% That's that that's almost forty. So like by the end of the deal it'll be over forty million a year off that stands to reason five years times almost forty of averages out at forty, you know going to go pick up my notes and finds a numbers but it's funny cuz that is that is the least of like when people bring up what's going to happen this off. Then I was at summer but what should happen this offseason is like I just think that's that's the biggest slam dunk. There is you know, I'd be very surprised if they didn't you know, if if they you know, like they're not going to walk in to go. We're going to give you every month. They're going to say well we're going to give you 30% and he's going to go 911 and then whenever the number is okay, right it in just give it to him. If you have to like everything is built around around what they got to do and that's my dog getting very worked up about the table. Probably here's my dog bouncing through the I just heard my dog scurrying across the ceiling of above me and barking non-stop in my bedroom behind a closed door. You can't you know, they very passionate takes regarding the Celtics and wouldn't either I mean, you can't quiet them down. Here's what we're going to do. We're gonna do a lot of Gordon Hayward stuff on the other side first quick break because I get to tell you off the stress of daily life it weighs on all of us, especially in the midst of a pandemic, but whether you're an elite athlete or just you know me trying to get through the day muscle pain, Muscle tension. It's a real thing. We all get stressed out. Sometimes that's muscular other times. 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I will tell you use if you're if you're a regular if you're an athlete Jumpoline like Jayson Tatum lawyer, just me, you know moving DVDs. I might DVD shelf behind me. Like I say my my shoulders been softened golf. I mean, I may need to get one of them. Now. I'm telling you, you know bring up spouses in in part for a reason because as you know, we we are all attached Viet married or girlfriends and you know, so many of these athletes are and we know that they are and I promise I'm going south with us. We know that they are as significant a part of our Lives as anything else when it comes to making important decisions ryen Russillo said that Gordon Hayward wants out of Boston now, I don't know if God True. I have no idea. I've never asked Gordon that question. But what I do wonder is what comes into play with that right? Is it? Hey, I've been injury-prone for three years. I could use a change of scenery cuz obviously like it's not to get away from his teammates not to get it's not to get away from Brad Stevens who you know, he came here largely because of now, it could be because I don't want to be the, you know, fourth or fifth option in a a fence. I want to go somewhere else where I can be the guy again. Hopefully be healthy and maybe just view my Boston experience as you know, chalk it up to. I don't know lock at the Irish is one thing and I had the Bad Luck of the Irish. I was always hurting my time there but to Circle back, I don't know how happy Robin is here based on the way that some fans go at her on social media. I don't know if she's sensitive to that. You mean the people that were asking if she would if she would move the birth of her child so that Gordon Hayward could go back and we just want him in the finals Robin could that run people somewhere? Yeah, so but but like this has gone on for a few years where she has like people have gone after on Instagram on Twitter it it seems like and this is not me like reporting anything. This is just like reading the Tea Leaves of social media seems like Al Horford sister not a huge fan, you know, I don't know exactly what kind of reputation actually think she likes Boston now cuz they know so bad about Philadelphia and arise Archives of disease and she's she's a wife or no question about I didn't say Anna doesn't like the Celtics game I can't is not a huge fan of Robyn Hayward and I don't that's that might be true that might help sure. That's what I'm saying. So I do to you know, I don't know like I wouldn't even pretend to know this isn't me like starting anything else? I don't know what like you start until just say here's my point. Like if my wife were like let's let's pretend I were you'd like as famous as Gordon Hayward writer as successful or as or you know, had the bank account and all that. Like I was in that kind of position and I could choose to go make millions of dollars somewhere else, but I'm currently in a situation where you know, my wife doesn't necessarily feel as part of the team and she's got these social media haters and all that stuff like she could play a real impact and saying you know what honey? I think we should go somewhere else. How much do you think she plays into this decision? And does she want out based on again? Strictly your opinion. Where does that way in all of this is going on with Hayward? Like I think any husband would be remiss if they did not allow their families feelings both both your for your children's sake for your wife's sake, you know, if that's all part of it off. I would say right before the pandemic the one of the topic last payment was the last game was in Indiana and we actually stayed the day after to film some stuff. Cuz we we had a Gordon Hayward a planned for later in the year. It was actually pretty cool cuz I got to sit down with a lot of importance High School buddies. This guy's from from all the state championship that he won and you know kept asking them. I was like, you know, cuz he stayed in touch with a lot of them. You know, what did you think of Boston and not unexpectedly, you know, just what you would think for someone who has missed a ton of time and it's come under a lot of criticism. He says, you know really liked ther but you know there there's awful lot of criticism that comes when you're not on the floor and so I like anybody I think he's been stung by that and maybe a little bit frustrated by it, you know and down the sense from you know, again, no one has talked to coordinate with this offseason that that that's factoring into what he's doing and I think in the big picture, you know if I'm dead Trying to guess what's going on here. I have a player that is now north of 30 has had an injury history, you know part of the family thing that you would do too. I think is just like security and like where else are they setting up shop here in Boston. Are they going to you know, they got this house in Wellesley. And for kids now is this like is this Roots? They have a house in Indiana that they just bought and you know, so like I just think they're trying to figure out where it's going on think maybe I had a guest long-term security is becoming a something of importance to Gordon Hayward and so it benefits him to at least give the illusion that and this might be more on the agent side that there are options out there that might Intrigue them you like I don't know how much the Atlanta Hawks are an intriguing situation on the surface like you're content to be a seventh eighth Steven in the Eastern Conference, maybe like if you really like watching trade young and playing with kids that don't play defense intriguing situation, but birth They do one of the few teams out there that have money and so I just think court is weighing. You know, what what where he goes from here what he can do. And so if he at least has bought the Hawks sitting there saying we will pay to get a veteran then it puts the onus on the Celtics either come to the table with a extension that maybe they're not really thrilled about having to do or or like a trade value isn't quite where they want to go, but maybe they have to go there or maybe go, you know there I will relent there is a scenario where gorgeous just snake-bitten, you know, like needs a fresh start. I don't think he's now the fourth option comes in too much into it. I just think there's something to the idea that and I keep saying this but Gordon Hayward signed here, he was the biggest free-agent signing and Celtics history and like two weeks later. They would trade for Kyrie Irving in court. Hey was on press conference. He's not the superstar in the focus and now two years, you know, three years later you've got with because of Jayson Tatum development in Jaylen Brown's development, you know, there's the birth The option that he is the fourth option and one that can't stay healthy. And so again, I think that just comes into your mind. Like how do I re-establish myself? And can I do it here, you know in my mind, I think you can and I don't think of a player that it's like you need to go back to averaging twenty five and twelve and you know, being the being the go-to-guy I think winning is important to him when he came here. He mentioned how there was unfinished business with Brad Stevens from Butler take care of business and sort of just like showing Boston the player he can be and then if he's willing to ride this out like next year could be a huge Payday for him because all the teams that are hoping to get Yiannis and Kauai and LeBron James chance of just like the leftovers are guys like Warren Hayward who could get one more big final pay day. And so I think this is more just comes down to options and we're all trying to just kind of dissect it a little bit maybe more than than it needs to be but certainly it's the biggest story of the offseason but the inference from ryen Russillo was that if you know all things created equal monetarily, right if he can find a deal that offsets what he would be losing money. Boston would that player option? And you know, it's a a reasonable fit that he does want out. Do you believe that or do you believe that he wants to come back? I think he is in a position where a player has to weigh every option and because he's not rushing out to say I want to be in Boston. We're left to infer a little bit about what he's thinking but I think that's really well here. I think there was a lot of questions coming into last year about how the three Wings situation would work. But when you look at the numbers when he was on the floor with Kemba Jalen and Jake and the Celtics were two points better than the Dallas Mavericks in terms of offensive rating. Like it's a crazy number 117 or a hundred nineteen points per 100 possessions. They were like the best offense in the league and again and took a sample size, but because they have so much talent out there and I just can't see where Gordon says. I want to go to an eight seed because you know be the focal point and I want to go to a rebuilding situation dead. Think he's got a lot of positive here in Boston. I think the other thing that you know, I think is important to remember here is there's a little bit of of a concern where according office in his future even in his hand. We just thought we open this whole situation with like, you know, what can the self-control will Gordon Hayward Ops in you know, now if the Celtics get into the season and they're not Championship contenders wage, there's this idea that you know, you don't want to carry a 34.2 million dollar guy that maybe try to move them for assets or try to move um store team that wants to clear salary-cap and now all of a sudden Gordon leaves himself open to being try to the Sacramento's of the world now, he can Rectify that in the off-season. He's a free agent. But again, it just comes in if he's looking for certainty, you know, then maybe he's trying to put a little bit of pressure on the cell fixed to give him that secure but I think that's more play than maybe necessarily this notion that he just doesn't want to be here. Yeah, I kind of I kind of agree with that and what it comes down to for me like we talked about it last week or I should say Sunday cuz it was not that long ago what the situation is a different scenarios of birth here with like does he do you sign trade him with the you know sentiment extension and trade him somewhere that's possible on the table again, I'm not quite sure if that's the move to do to Atlanta. That would I think make more sense of life and of thing and that would make corn obviously very happy with that process. Right? It'd be a good question and reconfigure the contract to then be sent somewhere else looks like what what Boston had to do with you know, juggling the Kyrie Al Horford. Yo, Terry Rozier Kemba Walker, you know, you know if that's what Mike's errands for is there until figure out how to make that work and make all the puzzle pieces together, but like you said sign and trade and go somewhere he could literally decline the option which we talked about last week and and just go somewhere for a little more long-term security. I I agree Chris think it's dead. I'm just trying to put pressure on Boston to give a little long-term security and if I Boston's like well, okay, we gave you a a ginormous contract this biggest industry the Celtics at the time and it just hasn't worked out. So like what security we haven't found in our return-on-investment yet because of unfortunate injury history with Hayward. And if your Hayward like let's say if you're trying to maximize long-term security and boss is not going to give it to you. I would rather ride it out in Boston than anywhere else only because if things go right is the team is going to compete probably for you know, at least Eastern Conference Finals appearance. If not an Eastern Conference Finals appearance, not an NBA Finals appearance, right? So a lot of times when you are in that sort of, you know, a team like that that competes and goes far in deep into the post office those people, you know tend to get bigger contracts when time comes right if you're going to be on a team like Boston in the NBA finals for forming really well on the biggest stage, you know, those other teams that think they're one piece off. All of a sudden like oh Gordon Hayward, you know fruity million whatever like if Atlanta wants to get that desperate he's going to be there or a team. That's that might strike out on the honest like a Miami or a Dallas like, okay. Well, we don't have Jonathan the board but there was a or the average such and such and the NBA finals last year. That could be our guy right? So I think for Gordon I think it's maybe a little bit of a ploy to get this out there. Maybe put some pressure on Danny Ainge. We don't Danny gingerich Jamie's Rock. So I think he's sweating this I think they'd like to find some sort of agreement. But if you're Gordon, I almost rather it is his injury history would be concerned but I almost rather bet on myself and say look, I'll get in somewhere eventually at least play this out on my team and try to get to the NBA finals. And if you're Danny Ainge, right, let's say the the trade that I'm comes and you're trying to lose an asset for not be like you don't lose an asset for nothing else if you're competing for NBA championship, you're not going to trade Gordon away just so you can say oh this I got something for the asset that's just not going to happen. So I think Gordon the most sense for lawyer. Well right off. That's true. I think it makes the most sense for Gordon as we can do to speculate but they forget what we want to do. I think Gordon's best option is staying in Boston and trying to find a way to make that work whether he wants to make a long-term thing work there or find a long-term solution somewhere else. I think playing in Boston gives him the best chance to succeed in life. And the only thing is it's a dangerous game of chicken, right? Like if he comes to the southeast it's like look I'm walk away any entry. Just try to go. All right go, South Atlanta. Do it right, you know and but I think there's motivation on both sides. Right like the Celtics don't want to pay a huge luxury tax bill. And so there's a motivation to get him to a lower number next season. So maybe that gives them a little bit of incentive to think about a deal but like look they just showed Al Horford had a number and it's going to be frustrating. I think I know the Celtics were frustrated laughing when it went down with Al because they felt like it was unfair that there were sort of bidding against a blind bitter and you know, we're like, well, this is the way the NBA works and sometimes it works in favor of town, but you know where he had this deal in his pocket and new so that that that he could just walk away if the Celtics weren't willing to get there and so the Celtics, you know felt like they gave a competitive offer for now, but they could never get glad we're not willing to get close to what they what they what they ended up getting that four-year $107 with with Philadelphia. And so I think it's with Gordon similar like this topic might be like, all right, like we're literally go 364 375 whatever the number is and if we're sitting there saying well, yeah, but the Hawks are telling me I can get for a hundred and ten, you know, then it gets a little bit more difficult for the Celtics to just be like, okay, well do that, you know, so I just think it'll be it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. But I'm just long thought ultimately the way it happened is whenever the day comes Gordon sit down on back here and you sort of figure it out down the road. Yeah, they're just they're multiple things at home. I especially as it relates to the Al Horford situation one, you had a contender that had money or at least a perceived Contender that had money. I know Philadelphia didn't play like at this past year this year. You don't have that. You also took the Celtics and I maintained if the Celtics let's say Gordon Hayward get exactly what you did last year statistically speaking, but did it over the course of a full year meaning he stayed healthy and had a good playoff run off solutely Ops out because he would go get a real good deal a solid maybe Al Horford like deal this offseason. Maybe not from a In Upper Echelon NBA team because again those don't exist out there with with the cap space, but he would be able to go out and find that money in a terrible free agent class as Chris you alluded to earlier next year if he comes back to the Celtics and and has a good year and stays healthy and you see eighteen nineteen points a game. He's efficient is ever good amount of rebounds assists decent playoff run. He can go out there and get a good deal. I don't know if it's as good because the free-agent class is better. So these are the but think about all the teams going to miss out. Like if you're Miami and you don't get Yiannis, like would it be honest if LeBron and maybe re-sign what if Kawhi and Paul George go back off sounded like there's a world with Warren Haynes top free agent next year on a where there's a ton of money out there and I understand people aren't lining up the thirty-two-year-old but I think his best payday is to come back this year prove it and then take advantage of the same place next year. All right, one more quick breaks. Tell you NFL football continues. This week has a few surprise teams at the top of the standings like the unbeaten Steelers still by the way, not talking about the winless Jets or the wage. Struggling Patriots. You might not be at a game this year. Unfortunately, you can still don't get in on the action at BetOnline NFL Futures. You got the Chiefs plus 350 raining Super Bowl champs, of course lookup do it again. They are hot the Steelers plus 550 still not getting enough respect though. 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This this is very much a fixed roster as it looks on paper right now, especially in terms of the salary cap. You got your high-paid guys wage. Your low-paid guys, there isn't really anybody in the middle anymore with the way this roster looks other than Marcus Marcus Smart, but I don't think you look to trade him. You know, Danny loves him Brad Loves Me Oh hashtag winning plays a lot of us don't want to see him go. Yes, is it theoretically possible? He's not Untouchable. I think if anything you have two guys that Danny would be immensely reluctantly you move if not right out, right, you know unwilling and those are Tatum and brown after that. Give me your best offer. So my question for you is this is there a trade to be made that does not involved in Hayward that could shake up this offseason that were not even considering unfortunately it be on the lower scale. Like I think on draft night, you'll see them maybe dangle some of their unused cash from this past season for someone to take Vincent Poirier off their hands because you don't need to pay two and a half million dollars for a v Center. I'm sure to see what happens with with enes Kanter because birth You know, he's going to five million dollar auction and that's not a prohibited number for as much as he played last season and he was you know a nice luxury in the playoffs going up against indeed and holding up pretty well, but perhaps if you are going to go young at that position and find out what you got with Grant and Robin Williams, then you know, even if you Ops in I think there's a chance they can move him. And so then you start thinking about bundling a long bed and could you bundle Canter and some you know, the Lesser guys like Javonte unfortunately, you know again, it's just a crunch on roster space and some of these non-guaranteed guys, you know, even if they're lucky enough to get through sort of the the first part if they're dealt, you know could be trade assets as well. Now when every trade or Not Guaranteed got now their salary goes guarantee. It's not like the old days when themselves were brilliant with side of the Keith bogans of the world and dealing them for for more parts. But so I could see them trying to get up into like a mid level of salary and turning Catherine's spare parts into something else. You know, maybe that's the veteran that they need off their bench. You know, somebody who can do the Andre Iguodala and come in and and give you service will minutes but not be leading off too heavy, you know, someone has been through this but it's harder for me to see the deals that can be made like just like you said, I don't think you move Marcus Smart. I don't think you get the value would return that, you know other teams don't pay off is highly your own people. Do you know, I think we know Marcus Smart is worth more maybe that is $15 contract. You're not getting fifty million dollars. You're not getting the same fifty million dollars from you know, the Clint capela is of the world over here off of those sort of deals thrown around so, you know short of that. I think it's more, you know deciding whether you're going to use your mid-level your taxpayer mid-level to seek a big man, whether you want to split it up a little bit get some bench help me. That's how you get your best friend, you know, either either veterans out there that want to come play for the minimum, you know, but trains are tough and you know, even the other thing I think about is dead. You know, well another keep sign-and-trade someone to you. Well, that's difficult too because then it hard caps you and for a team that's over the tax line. It just it adds another cumbersome little part of the song. So it's all part of the puzzle game. But yeah, I'd love to tell you I could I could Envision a seven going out and getting that, you know bench score that they desperately need but you know, we saw last year, you know the closer you get to the deadline. Now, those deals are taught, you know, David protons what it costs two first-round picks and then he probably weren't going to re-sign him because he's going to make a ton of money on the free-agent market and so it gets difficult in those scenarios and I just there's nothing that that's off that screamed. I think you can get the same sort of value of player through free agency that you could maybe having to bond but they should be motivated get not a lot of rust response. So they might have to make some rooms. I mentioned this at the time this weeks ago. I don't know whenever the season ended at least for the Celtics that when enes Kanter put up his social media posts. Just kind of tribute to the organization think song Men's all that stuff it read like a good buy it red light someone who for one reason or another be a his call or you know, or not feeling like the fit was there that that he expected that it was one and done in Boston. You obviously normal lot better than we do you got the podcast with an over over at NBC Sports. Do you believe that he's back next year or or did he see the writing on the wall or or you know decision to be made in terms of writing on the wall since ultimately it is a player option. It is his call think there's some Avenues where he is back and you know, I think Thursday, I think it's more likely he's not or again. I think there's an option where he where he take where he picks up his option and and but then gets moved but then sort of like we talked about with Hayward once you opt-in, you know, it's not your hands and so would enes Kanter rather take five million dollars and risk being sent to Sacramento or you know some outposts that isn't going to be competitive War what time? Take less money on the free-agent Market or whatever out there in order to go to a team that that you know, he can pick and so that's something he's got away. I think all things being equal he would like to be back here. I think he formed a lot of good bonds with the guys on this team. I do think you know, we gave him a lot of credit for the chemistry. I think tennis deserves a good chunk of that too for just keeping things light, you know being able to you know, always stay positive like even when he wasn't playing at the end of the bubbles games and Robert Williams was getting a chance, you know, I think someone said the organization we're a little worried that he might get frustrated but I never sensed it. You know, we were talking about on the podcast. I bought a handled it really well. So those guys are valuable like in terms of that is just embrace it we talked a lot about veterans. Well, you know, he's been through it now and I know he's still only I think 29 but a couple of weeks ago at least final question corresponding with Portland, like, you know, I think there's a a world where the Celtic can't find an errand veins or can't find the center that can you know, hold up against the abuse of the world. They need job. Out I just think it's a less less likely scenario. Are you going to miss ennismore being able to have FaceTime calls with Ben Stiller and Donnie Wahlberg? I mean, I'll respect to my guy Adams and I will say this like home. I have never met a NBA player that is has been as accessible that has been as open and now like, you know, I always joke with him cuz I said look, you're just gas and somebody up like before she went back in the Public's out there told me a hundred times. I Grant Williams was making every three of practice. I'm like you're lying to me but I get it. You're a good teammate. You're talking up your guy. Well, hang on my face scrambled and goes out and makes like fifty percent of or pointers in the playoffs. Like it's like getting credit at it. You know, you saw that one coming, but I do think he was refreshingly open and honest as much as he could be, you know, there's ways to go and talk about hundreds of injuries that were worse than you you might have known but all that said, I think he did he was he was fun to talk to I know some people sort of think he's on social media page. Much and and tune them out a little bit but I will miss if the podcast is over and we never get to do a final episode. I might have to call this summer to just be like, hey, let's just let's hang out one more time get Ben Stiller and Mark Wahlberg and Donnie Wahlberg and everybody together and let's just do it. But yeah that that was kind of neat cuz he lives it's just a different world man. Like he literally his his contact list everybody like he's rocking this the most bizarre Rolodex. He's awesome know we had him on Goodman's podcast like one of the first Goodman episodes was in a scanner. Yeah, and we had them on before, you know, do the same thing like, you know, what he was like anything you want to talk about banning doesn't matter and it was like obviously want to talk about the turkey stuff and he was like, yeah, it's all it's all black who care I don't care. I'll talk about it. He has no choice awesome quote and he's a he's a good like if you take just a basketball away for a second. He's a great guy to have around team. He seems like a really fun guy a lot of you know, he talks about his relationship with Russel Westbrook Jersey. I loves Russ Russ loves him actually and and he's just a fun guy to hang around. The problem with tennis is he is playing in the wrong era basketball. He's just playing off and years ago. He was in perfect. He would have been amazing. He would have been amazing in the in the early nineties or even the eighties that he's just it's just the wrong area for him and it's unfortunate and it stinks but I'm used to take up too much of the cap. I think in my opinion in I think Danny will probably find a way to move off in the fiesta attach a picture to a to do it. I think it will cause of like, there's we've all probably thought about talk about anticipated about there's no way you can use all three these pets. Although now that I say, there's bug you go through these birds. They're all I was like ice cream from The Mountaintop and then used all of them. So well, I think part of that is because I think the league like it takes to to trade right? And I think sometimes with Danny it's like people are sick and tired of maybe getting used by Danny in certain ways that we've all talked about how he's you know, fleas certain guys and Deals like, you know what Danny I'm not going throughout your news all three of those pics and up to you to figure out how where to place them and and and Danny to his credit, you know, did an admirable job now again, Romeo will see Grant looks like a winner in Carson, you know, I don't know but I think I think with Danny he'll find a way to move off that contract. I think I just I got a loveliness the guy he's just amazed guy and I'm jealous that Chris have to do all this stuff going to do with it because he's he's hilarious. He really is I had myself movie had pre-show. He had me on the first guy and he's hilarious. He really is a great guy and he can tell with a lot of like the you know, the the protesting and brown and Marcus Smart did you know throughout the shutdown? He was right there with him and and that's that's a big respect thing with with, you know, a lot of guys that heinous is out there in the front lines a lot wearing and like obviously wearing his jersey wage. You all the Kyrie stuff. You talked to like I'm going to be the reason why nobody wears whatever eleven ever again, like he did all this stuff flying he had in his entire time in Boston the guys awesome. He's a really great teammate. He's a great guy. He's a great guy like and you need those guys for you to Kevin Millar in your locker room to keep things loose like and I'll use a Dodge that's an example one cuz I know him like you get here in and as might not be the greatest baseball player of all time, but he's one of the best locker room guys you ever going to meet Venus not the best basketball player, but as Chris can attest you about anybody else he is an amazing chemistry locker room, you know, you're having a real shame that day you this will make you laugh about something. He's just one of those guys in you need one of those guys in that locker room at all just to keep things light when things get tough, you know, we're just going to overlook that Kiki Hernandez humblebrags. It's my dude that guy's my guy. I he I've known since he was like Seventeen. He was a a minor league player in the Astros system at one time. And I can use a couple of different stories in but he made me laugh every single day as a seventeen-year-old. He was hilarious. He was he's just a great chemistry guy. You need one of those guys Chris any parting thoughts on anything else that needs to be hit on that. You're not already doing on your on T. And on I'm like exposed by the way. That was a compliment your everywhere wage in the draft. That's that's a whole nother episode like so it's funny because you know, I really know nothing about any of these drop guys a week ago and then we start doing all this content. It's funny how fast did you fall in love with a 3-minute YouTube video about like black guy runs really hard and energy big here. He's this guy could replace Canter, you know, like, you know you fall in love with with with with a with a mash-up and so forth. Um, like look, I think the Celtic need shooting and so I think I default to the city phase of the world and has myth and like, you know, like look at they were to get up Halliburton like I mean, I think there's a whole lot of guys out there that intrigued me and yet you just don't know like how they're going to pan out. I will say I was sitting there last year but he's liable was my guy. Yeah, and we were literally on air when the pic came out and I was not paying attention to the fact that you know traded it to Philadelphia and when they picked Bible I started kind of like celebrating cuz I was like, yeah, this is a great pick for them. They needed another Marcus Smart type of dog. And on the wing and then someone might finally reeled me in and you know, you probably see my my soul break and no disrespect and Grant Williams. I think it's a good pic and they didn't have a long prosperous and NBA career but birth injury still out and so I can't wait. I can't wait to see what happened in the draft. I can't wait to see what happens in free agency. I think the same thing can be really good. But the East is going to be really good and that's the hard part for me, you know, you had your opportunity and I know they're kicking themselves about that, you know, low on those leads and games one and two will be something we can forever look back on but it's going to be a fun season. I think you know, I don't know how it's going to play out to be a very interesting how everybody uses guys back in how the Nets look what happens in Toronto with if they lose me, you know, there's just a million questions and so forth, but let's see what the ends up his sleeve. It's quiet. 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COVID Canucks, Crosby vs Ovi, and Superstar Suspensions

The Clapper Report

57:01 min | 4 months ago

COVID Canucks, Crosby vs Ovi, and Superstar Suspensions

"He's gonna fats goes out again. Ring welcome back everybody. We have yet again. Another episode of the clapper report coming to you. Now just in an i get in our first chances down all week. Talk some hockey We got a little bit of news going on couple injuries unfortunately to discuss of course. We're gonna talk about the islanders. We're going to talk about the economics. Talk about our fantasy team as well Probably going to hear me cry a little bit towards the end of this episode but We have some things planned so Justin how're you doing. Buddy what's up what's up. I'm doing a i'm doing. Okay how you yeah man. That's good to hear me to a pretty excited. Tomorrow is actually my second dose of the vaccine. Oh it also this. Sunday is easter on top of that. It's actually my one year anniversary as well with my girlfriend so all exciting things this weekend for me to feel sick. The entire time gradually yes. Oh very exciting. Weekend upon us upon us among us harness among us daime among us. I hate those news man. How about you any plans this weekend. no actually schoolwork. Yeah itself was on spring break this week but it doesn't feel much like spring break considering doing school stuff all all week presentation on monday. I totally have not been carrying my weight with another person and i definitely have not been carrying. Also you had to make up for this week I was not at all. Yeah not at all really damn well. Hey i know you're smart guy. You'll figure it out figure it out if i'm lucky. Yeah yeah well anyway. But let's let's try to take some stress from school work out of your out of your way right now in What are you on crack that we just heard it will. You're gonna take away my shrestha school input. Put my onto a hockey right Face yeah some drinking Fat or no. I don't even know what the says the fat orange cat brewery. It's feed me feed me a stray cat. It is a win us. Yes what what would feed me a stray cat. Yes the name of it interesting interesting okay. And it's a triple ip a tasteless and it's a ten percent cheaper sets. Yeah it's a it's a hefty. one sounds intense. What's called we have a delay again do we. Now i think so do we. I guess i i don't know. Can you hear me now. Yeah i can hear you right now all right so i guess we'll we. We agree or joe. he's listening. Anyway we literally can what you. What do you got during the breaking but again get a got another. Got another one leftover. So i'm drinking that tonight. Solid solid. Sorry no i'm pretty weak What else what else is really week anyway. So i was cooking at work today and I was like cooking with garlic. Cut garlic and suffering and Wash my hands. Obviously a lot of times throughout the day and Took a shower and everything and like my fierce still smell like garlic and i fucking love it. I love the smell of garlic. What i mean. I hate the smell of garlic especially like prolong smells of it. I love garland. I guess i guess i don't mind it you know but like i don't know i just feel like musty. Armpits what are you talking about. Are you vampire nobody. Garlic smells like armpits to me. I just simulate the two together. Because that's what mine's not kidding but to me. That's kind of ridiculous. I don't know. I don't think i've ever heard a. We want to hear something really. Funny that i say so You know the girls are What's called office school right. So i'm up on the unit's with them And so pizza was for lunch today and what they do is they set it up in a box right to it. Looks like real pizza. Isn't right it sucks So is around. One o'clock i said to them because i was working alone all day until i was like. Oh yeah like you know i go. Hey listen. I'm going to put this in oven like with the for the three o'clock staff that way when they come in like they. You know whatever and 'cause i didn't have anywhere else to put the pizza right six license still so whatever so i go. Yeah just remind me. That's in there about ten minutes later. I'm like damn i'm hungry as hell and so i go. Who wants fries like army right. So i go to oven bake fries. As on preheated oven thought five minutes later one of the girls goes. Smells like subway in here and i was like what what what are you talking about you stupid. I didn't say but you know. I was like that's weird. Then the fucking cleaning lady she comes in. She goes just to cook in there. I go on on preheated oven for the fries. And i look and i see the fucking pizza awesome. They're in the fucking holy fuck and like their smoke. I was like oh my but it was like the worst part was that it was literally ten minutes prior that it was like. Oh okay guys. i'm gonna put this in the oven. Remind me. And i completely forgot. Ten minutes later I'm lisa carter that matter of smoke inhalation. That's fun yen. I opened up the pittsburgh of smoke coming out. And i'm like holy fuck. The box was singed. I was like oh my god. This is terrible. Jeez what do you cook their justin. Yeah i was like. Oh my god definitely such dummy It's all good all good man. That's kinda funny dude. It was so ridiculous. I'm like oh like that was real sitcom moment you know. It sounds like one What's called so hardcore song. What she got hardcore song of the week I went with song separation from benkhaled sabella on spotify sabella official Again i think this is a case where i might have used this ban before one hundred percent. Sure but i don't think so. 'cause i've never been before really all right so i'm pretty pretty proud of myself. I was able to be original. Come up with a new song. No this kind of weird. They're really cool. In my opinion. I i really enjoy listening to them. A lot of different songs them all very like. It's i don't want to say it's like hardcore. Obviously but it has a little bit of like a like a weird. I don't wanna say experimental but you know they definitely have a different sound out. Say so it's definitely worth a listen and if you enjoy this song definitely check out a couple of the other ones because like i said every song kind sounds a little bit different. So it's definitely something to be interested in. So i actually. Yeah that's my song of the week a muted myself. Just now i was listening to a couple of their songs. Broke dayton like justin. What your muted. You're good now. Oh yeah i was gonna say myself till like listened to a couple of songs for them like really quickly and yo- this song sounds nothing like any other on it's crazy. Oh yeah dude. It's crazy like every songs like different. I really enjoy their sound. Though there there really interesting honestly one of the songs. I thought i use in. Maybe i didn't was The song river by them That's one of my favorites on them. So that's why. I kinda just automatically jumped in assume that i use that one before but Really really interesting band. The i'd say So what i got today is. This was actually just released today so They haven't saw out today. Well it's a new like a new album Well i say it's nine songs and it's ten minutes and thirty seconds but The band is called. be all end. All and the assam the method See a pretty nuts. I gotta say like they're. They're the most chaotic they've magnetic and all the songs up. I'm bureau all song. Sound the same but they're nuts though gotta say though and Yeah go check them out. If you'll be beginning a lot of like that are just like crazy hardcore right now. Meshes of other bands together. You know what i mean. I don't know if that's the case with this band. I feel like we've been getting a lot of new projects with the quarantine and everything like that. Yeah i mean. I know the They've had stuff for a little bit but not like weird but it's like this is crazy because all their songs are under a minute. You know it's like a fucking fever dream but Anyway anyway Before your internet decides to turn off for the entirety of the night. Let's jump into some hockey bro. What's news from around the league. Yes sure i'm down for that down for that. Even though i feel like i haven't been too much attention. But up on a yeah. Well i've actually been trying to keep up with it all week Then kind of updating our our little here that we have and this really paying attention to all the different little story lines of the week And honestly started off. Pretty a pretty somber. Pretty sad Unfortunately there was an injury that we ought to talk about eck black Left the game out on a stretcher. I don't know if you are able to see that clip of him. You know following. I think actually the one who sent it to me Yeah yeah it was used to me and I mean that's just look like a nasty injury right that an air you knew he was gonna be out for a while Came out that he is going to be for twelve weeks after he had surgery. Honest like so pretty tough news there. Yeah especially since their captain. You know The driving force their defense Man it sucks assy you know. Yeah i mean the dude had twenty two points for them this season or something like that so he was definitely helping push this panthers team into the right direction. I obviously and We're starting to make some noise down there in the central you know. They're in second place right now so to lose a guy like that at a really pivotal moment. You know realistically like you're getting towards the end of the season here It's still very likely though that they will. In fact make the playoffs. But i mean how far can go without your captain. You know the islanders. That same question. So i feel their pain down in florida. Especially i mean we'll touch on it but because they have barkov that's injured. You know so yeah. They're getting riddled with injuries. Right now i also think What's his name one. I somebody else's injured but they're not. Yeah so poor. Panthers man feel bad for them they have a good thing going in a bug. Hit them but at least they hit them now. you know. They'll they'll be able to get their bearings interest rate before the deadline. So maybe they might be able to make quick edition. I'm not to show with their caps. Situation really looks like if they're really into position to do so but Dailies have a little bit of window of opportunity to make something happen. Yeah i mean. I wonder who they would go after maybe a. Maybe i comb. Yeah i mean that would be interesting. Yeah i mean hey it's possible. He's kind of been talked being like available. So i mean it certainly not off the table. Yeah without a doubt interesting so Next on our list is maybe another injury I didn't really see too much about it. the only thing i really saw was that filip forsberg is a week to week with an upper body injury which is super unfortunate for the prides. Because i know that they that forsberg was really talked about being a player who is potentially on the move Come this trade deadline I know a lot of islander fans. Were speculating you know. Trades and trying to get forced over to the islanders sucks man. I feel like this is another like ten pearson right. Where he's the one who's who's supposedly on the go and then next thing you know. He's hurt yet. Accepted some somebody a lot fucking better right well. Yeah i mean forsberg on the islanders that definitely would have been something. I would have approved of So you know kind of sucks. I hope it's nothing serious. Hopefully he can get back soon. I mean week to week. you know. I'm dealing with that now in my fantasy team which all discuss later. You don't know what the hell is going on this week to week. You don't know know exactly Best of luck to him. And i i really didn't disclose what the injury is but whatever it is. I hope it's nothing too serious. He could come back and it's like nothing ever happened next. We got Shane gossip spare the ghost bear from a couple seasons ago. Better rookie mcdavid. He got The you know that's what people were saying. When i don't think oh and yemen. He got put on waivers by the flyers and Everyone was bugging out. I mean you know. It's not just a couple of years ago. This guy was touted as potentially being one of the top defencemen in the league. And here he is. You know he's not having like a terrible offensive season. But you know defensively play as fallen off a cliff Has made things easier especially for kara her fact you here i mean i think they have a lot more a lot more holes to fill that he knows shane gossip. Spears whole was I think that they have a lot of problems going on over there in philly And actually i think ghost there. He was the one who kind of Called out the team per se He was like you know. We're not really playing well for goaltenders look really bad making him look bad and stuff like that so we kinda cold out his team and later that week they put him on waivers so You know not too sure. What's going on behind the scenes there if you know if that was trying to set the record with him or try to teach them a lesson for talking about the team badly or whatnot. Whatever the case was but it was interesting and you said people were shocked. And i definitely was one of them and i was excited. I was hoping you know the islanders could maybe big thing. Obviously they don't have the cap space for that as he has two years left. Four point five million each year so you know they. They're clearly not a market for that. But i thought for sure some team was going to have to make a move for him right. Yeah i without a doubt thought that. But i mean yeah i guess not By guess the the cap. Yeah i mean four point five. Yeah exactly so. Yeah and you know it's interesting to you know great player i would say Nikita have over on the devils hit waivers as well He cleared also so he wasn't cleaned by another team. But it's just it's interesting moves. Man i mean i guess things with you know the the taxi squad and everything like that you're able to make these types of moose and put people down on waivers that typically wouldn't be and they're getting away with it. It's weird interesting. Yeah i mean. I think a lot of it though to hustle the flat cap and teams not wanting to take on these contracts. I mean i'm not sure if gustav has another year after this one but a hit he doesn't have good contract. Either what is it. I think it's around four million. So i'm like that too. I'm not really sure actually. So gustav his cap hit four and a half million But i think it ends this year so So it would have been a rental situation. But i mean you're getting a menace twelve. I mean obviously. Is that really worth having his year. I mean the yearbook prior year prior. He was doing tremendously. I think he had forty four points in like sixty something game so i. It's definitely night and day from you. Know his first season so people probably weren't looking to take that kind of a gamble on him. Whatever the case may be. He's still with the devils. said rangers. The rangers all right this past week. Man has been boiling on the ice. I was about to say man. This is quite the topic here. Yeah i mean all around the league. There's been a lot of dirty hits Lot of Angsty teams So i guess we'll get started with the superstars. Yeah yup let's do it Connor mcdavid okay. Comic david hit. Who'd he hit. Jesper cooking macaca miami. I think yep yep all right so yes now what do what do you think it. I thought that that was clearly dirty. It even look like it even looks like he's sorta leaves his skates or leaves the ice rather With his elbow going rate for the head he skating towards him. Like it's not like you know. He was clear pat to hit him. It was late. Hit you know and it was right to the head. Elbow lisa skates. i think easily deserves at least a game suspension. Possibly more on the person. So i don't see him leaving his skates but i see him. Originally hit will look shoulder and then goes up to his head brings his arms past and into his head right so had to contact right there like you said it's also a late hit. I mean the puck was already gone for at least the second you know at the end when i'm sorry to cut you off but what i meant to say. When he liked leaves us get out. I feel like you see a little bit of a jump in his knees. You see a jolt up. Obviously he's probably jolting just the hit but yeah i don't know i feel like the intent. Was there hundred percent. Yeah i definitely don't think was a clean hit But i don't know so. I thought it was going to get a game right. I was thinking we get one game and turns out he didn't only got fined. Five thousand dollars. that's ridiculous obviously. I guess i'm glad considering emma. Connor mcdavid fantasy owner. I'm so i'm happy. He didn't get suspended a game although he hasn't done anything from this week. Anyway but Probably would have benefited me if he got fucking suspended. But anyway I don't know man. I think that he needs to be held accountable and he he's really not in this situation. Now i mean without a doubt And i was actually looking into. I was trying to think about how infrequently superstars get suspended right And i am i search. I actually found. I don't remember but mcdavid got suspended two years ago for an illegal check to the head on nicoletti february. Something twenty nineteen. So it's like i completely forgot. That was thing like. I don't remember that do you if i feel like i should considering on letty but i don't i don't remember but yeah i mean you you look at prior you know. Sorry a big judgment that they have when they're coming up with these decisions for other fines or suspensions. Sorry there as we mentioned earlier having a little bit of technical issues with the internet today so but anyway as i was you know in the middle of saying yeah oh they look into previous actions and stuff like that somehow someway i. I don't think they overlooked at obviously but they decided that he didn't deserve anything. Which is a little weird to me. And honestly i think inconsistent with how their typical rulings go. No i mean exactly I mean what somebody got a. Who was it chandler. Stephenson got suspended suspended the games i mean granted i hit should have been you know suspension but i mean he got three games make they should at least count one. It's like you know they always joke around about how they're spinning the wheel of justice. But it's like yeah they literally Beuing random bullshit. I feel sometimes Crazed for me that make david got the same amount like find the same amount for what mckinnon did mckinnon. Yeah well you wanna talk about that. You throw in the helmet at the guy's face. Oh my god. I thought that was hilarious. Oh yeah that was funny. I can't even lie but it wasn't even like listen. I don't think it was bad. I mean granted you know. They're playing rough game his home it off but But the fact that he got fined for not even throwing his helmet on tossing it bleak. Bullshit i'm sorry. Get a fucking grip. I don't know i don't like that at all. I don't like this suspension man. I don't know. Did i say i don't like this suspension. I don't like. I don't like the fact that he got fine. But i mean i'm just glad that it wasn't a suspension. Do imagine he got suspended for that but mcdavid didn't get suspended for that fucking hit. No that'd be that'd be ridiculous ridiculous to say the least like out not only are the The rest of the dp. do psi. yes. Yeah i mean i think there's a ton of inconsistencies with them. There has been in the past. And it's funny as coming at the heel of the controversy with the refs says well you know everything past the you know the week prior with tim peel and everything like that. It's just it's it's funny how it's it's it's not just one thing it's another and another with the nhl and It just seems to kind of like compound on to each other and you kind of wonder any kind of shake your head and scratch your head like what what what is the nhl above doing. What are they. What are they doing there. And i don't know. I don't know you know and it's like i think that also comes into like i think it comes into play i mean at least the gop s it's like having george perreault speed the fucking head of it. A known enforcer known goon who didn't give it regard for anybody's safety when he played you know. I don't know i just find it. Weird doesn't sit right mean never. I mean it's definitely interesting character to have as your your face of player safety right but I don't know. I think there's a ton of changes at this. You note league needs. But i guess they could start somewhere. It'll be figuring out how the hell they actually suspended. Find people on a consistent basis. Yeah i get that everything is like. It's own individual situation. You know a a myriad factors. But like i don't know i think david hit should have been suspension. Anybody else i mean. I know it's been like the dead horse has been beaten a bit like men like you're kind of lagging a lot. Hello yeah. I mean so. I know it's a myriad of different factors right but it's like i don't know how. How can you look at mcdavid hidden. Say not say that deserves be a suspension lake. I dunno i dunno. I dunno alice maturing thought otherwise 'em and so i guess this is something that we're going to have to keep the conversation and every time it does happen but guess guess The initial has some things to figure out but the tempers were still flying. Not only where people elbowing people throwing helmets. there's spend one team in particular that i that i chose the rant about today In not being the washington capitals cry about it before we started recording a little bit. Yes but i. I don't know man. I feel like the way the capitals have been carrying themselves as a team as of late at the end of games As been nothing. Short of like crybaby. It's like you know everybody likes to rank on crosby has been the cry baby. Everyone's like crosby. He's just a little crybaby but honestly right now the way the are going in the way ovechkin a way like me you know but the way that these. These teams are This capitalist team is like carrying themselves. They're starting to grow. At least with me and i feel like other team. Other fans of the east growing the reputation of being crybabies There was an altercation at the end of the the rangers. Capitals game Earlier this week You know the rangers were scored a lot on them and things were starting to boil over. Tom wilson was getting everyone's face at the end of the game and like trying to fight people For guy who just recently got suspended and said that he learned he didn't he didn't fucking learn he's still being the same chippy little eighty and he's always been and I wrote here when i was pretty angry about the situation. Get him out of the league for the end. Someone's career but i mean granted. There is nothing he did in that exact moment. Exact altercation that deserves like anything crazy like suspension or anything like that but I just think the way that that dude continues to carry himself even after being suspended however many times it's like he doesn't learn he hasn't learned. There is no learning for a guy. Like alan wilson. That's just the type of guy he is dirty. And i don't know after watching this past game last night against the islanders and seeing how they reacted at the end of that game after losing badly again. There's just crying. They're just cry babies at this point. I know mike repeating myself. When i probably sound ridiculous but in a little bit. I'm just. I'm too sick of seeing the capitals. I'm sick of sick. could you say that That you're being a crybaby. I think so. You know me being the one complaining right. But i don't know. I i feel like it's just two instances ray rice each other that they're just getting so upset with the other team while they're losing bad like their team granite there at the top of the division right now so i don't think they really care about these games. All too much but I just i wish they would carry themselves more. And i feel like it's just feeling to the rivalries of the east so i guess it's a good thing at the end. Yeah i mean. Listen i mean i haven't even seen anything like it or from it. I should say they everson the devils right now though. So who knows what's happening during that came So yeah. I don't know i think i also just like a What's called that's also like a product of playing games against same teams over and over and over again throughout the season you know You know tempers flare and then especially when you're losing against them like they were against the islanders You know i'd be pissed off too. And they just have a lot of hot has in the locker room and you know it makes sense to me. But i don't see as anything. It's like I don't know. I don't. I don't think i think it's a good thing i mean. I totally i totally see what you're saying. I guess it's just me being an islander fans seeing them like try to go after you know islander players or not really being ranger fan but seeing that same instance happen you know with the same exact players the same as people that we've always been talking about being dirty and being scum doing the same thing over and over again so it's just i don't know yeah. We'll were they doing that. May some scum not necessarily everyone. But tom wilson in particular to when i mentioned in the beginning i think everybody can agree that he's a scumbag you know. He was just doing his typical thing. Getting in people's faces trying to fight people at the end of the game and the game is over like the cap the islanders last night. We're trying to do their celebration at the end where they lift their six in center ice. You know capitals. Were still on the screen. They were still gap in at them. Still trying to get in their face still trying to fight them. Grant matt martin. Chara fought you know. Is the whistle. Blew at the end or the horn blue at the end. So you know. Obviously tensions were high at that point. But you know like all right games over horn blue. You're losing by four or whatever was like just get off the ice man get off. Go leave. But i felt like they were still trying to instigate still trying to get them to do something still trying to fight which. I don't know you're right. It's probably just a you know a product of them playing the same teams over and over again and sure. I guess if roles were verse you know. Maybe there would be some islander players trying to get chippy with them and try to at least get something out of the game right. get them going but but I guess i'm just a salty salty hater against washington like i've always been while You know who's also salty hater brennan. Pinski he We're was it that. He say it spitting chocolates. No it wasn't it was something else now. It was another podcast though another podcast. But basically he was saying how ovechkin better than crosby and Because the how much wines like. I dude shut the fuck out. Like what are you talking about. Like i just saw What's called a follow up to it. whereas hold on and he tweeted out this morning he goes listen. Crosby better than me. I never said he wasn't. He's obviously one of the best ever. Lovie verse sid. None of you played in the nhl know how hard is score goals. Seven hundred twenty four is insane. Sid just wind too much and lovie. Just shut up and played hard. See well i think right there. I mean like cinches wine to what are you talking about dude like you were winding the whole time. That pittsburgh was smacking her a What's called in the playoffs. You know it's like you remember that the crosby verse dubinsky was at like Maybe like twenty seventeen. I think m and he was getting a fucking level like the whole time. I think it goes back to that. you know. i also think he's trying to be relevant. Still yeah i mean. This is definitely A bit of a click bait statement that he came out with so i think he knew what he was doing when he said it. You know It wouldn't really just go without a fight but I almost agree with him. I almost do on the fact of like seven hundred twenty. Four goals is insane. But obviously credit is due for sidney crosby Plane how he plays both sides and still produces gonna stay. Mom i counter 'til like him is is that eight hundred twenty seven assists is also really hard you know and in over a hundred less games than ovechkin while. Yeah yeah i mean. Obviously i think in some cases or some some perspectives. I should say you could. You could easily go back and forth on who's better I would say simply better goal. Scorers obviously lovie but I also don't like it. I also think he is a crybaby bitchy definitely was especially in the earlier on He he for sure was and he still has that tendency. But i don't think he's innocent either honestly. I don't think any hockey players really innocent. I feel like all of them had their fair share of you know whining and crying But obviously sydney was known for it for a while That was really bad with that. But again and i know my going over this again but i i honestly don't think ovechkin is innocent. I think he does the same as action I don't know man. I i see him as a personal vendetta against crosby as you mentioned you probably still pissed off with him. Probably from you know that series in Personally like any better. I think everybody's just overreacting yet. Exactly and i think that backlash that he received his kinda like ridiculous. Yeah i mean he. He says he personally thinks is his favorite or not necessarily favor but who he thinks is better. So what you know. Everybody has the fucking fight all the time of you know. Mj's better than lebron. You can have the ovechkin versus crop crosby conversation. It'd be on both sides. Yeah listen i mean i. Just don't i mean i know it was pretty funny. Be like oh yeah you know. I don't understand but like we bring it up but still it's like we're only bring it up because everyone's talking about right now you know and it's like oh no this. This feeds the whole monster. I guess you'd say gives it more attention than its observes. But i mean. I don't know it's interesting. I still think that crosby is better player. Just veterans a better goal score. You know but goalscoring isn't everything in Crosby's two way mashed to evasions No i mean just think of all the all the years where ovechkin was His controller was dying. You know like free year. You know whereas crosby has never given up on fox. It's like plus the all my god just the way the crosby can set people up is ridiculous. You know. I mean yeah. Ovechkin can score a goal by himself from anywhere right but Behind the dot on the power play but crosby can make fuckin- crosby make me look good. You know you know what i mean. It's like crosby played with such lake. Such different linemates throughout his career. You know played from first liners to fourth liars. You know still consistently produced with concussion history. You know with you know. I don't know yeah. I mean i still think crosby's a bitch i'll always think he is one till i die but he definitely played you know a more whole game. You know. he he played he played. both sides. puck like you mentioned. And and you're right. He played what he played with. Different caliber teammates linemates and he made it work no matter who it was. He made the people around him better. You know you could. You could symbolize him. So tom brady. Basically yeah you know. He made the team around him. Better and ovechkin where you know he was scoring goals now is it and he literally on the power play. There's clips of on the power play just standing there just standing in spot to standing and sure sure. I guess you could make the argument saying you know. Yeah he gets so standard. But he's still gonna score. You know yeah again. He's a great goals scored. I honestly think better hockey player is crosby. Yeah hundred percent. That's the thing. I mean. I feel like ovechkin the best goalscorer of all time in crosby as one of the best players of all time. You know it's like they're they're two different things yes two different conversations to be had two players but anyway yeah yep yep so i don't have a whole lot to say but then again i feel like everything happened today for the canucks Yemen will so as i mentioned last week cox had week off right and So i was looking forward to getting back into the routine on wednesday night rails again ready to wash and so there's more things that just popped up but so Yet eight canucks players so far of a covid Including quinn hughes alex adler brain hopi tribes hamernicks zach. Mcewen antoine resell. And then the man who started at all supposedly adam gotta. according to ian mcintyre. Bad situation is getting worse. Cox fearful more positive cove is coming. Vancouver area has become global hotspot for the p. one variant that originated in brazil so An shows bill daley says no consideration yet short in the Which is probably code for that. Might happen yemen. So what happened was i think of as tuesday Gotta besser were hiking anna. They took separate cars. They have their masks on outside. Whatever but the next day it turns out that Got at test positive and they test. He tested positive while they were in practice. So they pulled him off and But they let the players continue practice like and that's not a Nhl thing like so. I don't know. I mean it sucks a lot Hopefully by the time the comes play pederson back to normal hopefully be cons players. Have it are doing okay. Apparently that wasn't doing too great His wife is tweeting out but being all power to them hopefully they stop Scary shit especially with vancouver being a hot spot now it's really scary man Good news though is that dempo. Dumb resigned and habra yemen and What's called five years for five million per I'm cautiously optimistic for it. Seems like steel right now. But we also keep money's only had like seventy starts and especially the the latter half of those starts he's been playing really well I mean hopefully. I think that the will they're banking on like long term success and their bank knows them could be the goalie the future for us which will wanted or what. A lot of people wanted and Let's see i'm hyped up about it I can't wait to see him play again. You know i mean if he comes back and he plays that same level of play that We all know co can perform it. I yes. I would consider it almost steal his contract by by five so I'm hopeful for you guys. I mean yeah. That's all i really have. There's been no trade talks especially now that probably doesn't i mean the i don't have anything else for you know I feel like for the islanders to A lot has happened. Obviously i kind of already alluded to in the previous segment about the islanders beating the capitals last night. That was a great game Really really good play. I mean bars. L. all three of his goals. He had a five point game three suicide. All three goals were highlight. Reel goals like i. One cutting through like four defenders scoring that goal sniping. It beautiful goal is second. One e. Hit like a spinner emma as if he's playing. Nhl twenty one dude. I was nuts and then his third goal batting it in like opening night for baseball. He's here batting in fucking pox in that like great play which is crazy. He's been very streaky. This season you know he's been he's been down bad for a while now He's been slugging so hopefully a nice five point game against washington capitals woke him up and he's ready for this last push into the playoffs so really good game from yemen which i can't believe that fucking five point nine and it's like of course i'm I'm bursting the guy who has barzal in fan so ridiculous. I know but i know i. I don't want to talk about fantasy. Because i'm gonna cry. I'm so pissed about it but Yeah that's sucks for you dude. But i'm glad he's back. Mattie be he's back But that first line with commerce on it Actually looked really well on thursday friday thursday night. Friday today Yeah so comrades. Look really well i know i gave a lot of flack last week. And i know a lot about are still continuing to give him flack but he played really really good and he tried to play really tight in front of the net like almost honors lee light in. Oh i think he was doing really good job of that and actually found something out today. Bro austin sirnak was livestreaming today on twitch is playing with a keefer bellows is playing with oliver walsham. And i think he was playing with cory snyder. 'cause they kept referencing amounts corey so could have been somebody's friend or it could be core. Schneider i think it was. Though they were they were talking. They were talking to the chat and everything like that and somebody acts. Who's like the funniest guy on the islanders. And they all said. Leo was the funniest guy off so Maybe just maybe this guy is like the you know the main Gel locker room. You know maybe he is really good in that locker room. And they're you know him being on the first line. Yeah sure he's not the flashiest player. Yeah he's not. He's not a first line Forward but Everybody likes him. Everybody can rally behind him and you know maybe he can have some presence for them there and it could be good so i don't know it's interesting. I you know. We only have ten days left until the trade deadline I'm still hopeful and praying that the islanders do make a trade I really wanna see Another goal scorer joined the squad and really help make a push towards the playoffs here but if nothing happens nothing happens i. I'm not too worried about this team. Honestly yeah especially with the saviour dobson. Coming back yeah. Yeah i don't know how to imagine that. Yeah no we're dopson near redemption. He's back so things are things are looking bright for them. I mean obviously they did lose to two pit. I don't think i mentioned that. They did lose two to pittsburgh. I think they lost like the sees season series with them I honestly don't even think they have another game with them. So that's oct- especially fucking pittsburgh. I can't stand them but Or they might have won one game against But yeah. We're coming to the talent season. Pretty quickly dude. Yeah i know. I know i mean it's not the shortened season because i feel games every fucking day you know. We only have six more weeks of recording until we're in the playoffs six more weeks to the playoffs. That's fucking crazy. Granted thinks could extend that not protocol. Now kidding i'm kidding. Stop but Six more weeks until the playoffs. That's like six more weeks until my semesters over to. But also i think there's only what like four three more weeks until the playoffs for us and our fantasy league. Nah after this one there's two more two more damn i got it. Are you ready to talk about fantasy. Why not know what. Actually if i can beat you bro. All right so really quickly. I guess. I'll go first only because i really don't have much to say. Besides nobody on my team showed up this week. i think martin jones is the one who literally carrying my team with like twenty odd points. nobody is performing. Nobody is Mcdavid literally no fucking points at all this week He has one coups nets off. Negative oliver wallstrom. Obviously i kind of went on a win for him. Negative tyson berry negative shot negative this week fair be negative and then everybody else is basically under ten points so This week i've chalked it up. Nothing's gonna i'm gonna lose Which puts me in a scary position. Because i'm gonna fall two four and seven gonna faulty as place. And i have just in here next week so i need to beat him to even be considered in the playoffs. And then i have a tough match-up but a matchup against a guy. Basically in the same position as i and I'm going to have to win the both them just to try and make the playoffs. Maybe versa my opponent this week or that week. Yes i mean. This guy's pretty good Well not honestly. I say that but not even i mean he's only going to finish the week like two eighty five that's his projected I think it's just that my team didn't show up this week. Like at all. I meant The guy that i'm bursting now you'll be seeing the last week. Oh a e. sartre demean but I obviously i him before i beat him. I that's the guy that i just narrowly last week right. Oh my god that's right. I need to talk about that. Oh you're not done go ahead. I honestly do. i'm done. I don't even want to waste more energy on that. Yeah so. I don't remember where we were last week. But what's called. Yeah i was falling. I was pretty behind by a hundred points against this guy. I fucking came back because martin. Nash had like a four point night. Verhaeghe health three point night and she's sticking came back blowing everyone out of the water Fiftypoints turned out. I one three thirty three two three zero one. I came back that was in massive comeback Wow that's insane so this week. I'm up to thirty two one fifty five I have nine games remaining in hand Some hoping i'm not gonna even say but also he has dumped going besser and they're both not playing games he has bladder on. I r So he might be unlucky right now. And if i if i win this week i'll be six five keeping me in fifth place. He needs to be Top six to be in the playoffs. who to pick up this week i picked up ties. Smith and mackenzie blackwood Since i picked ty smith up he's done absolutely shit so i'm probably dropping. Barkov comes back from injury. And i need to put barca back on my roster so probably dropped smith Necessarily for the team. I think yeah. I mean you have good problems to have men. Yeah people coming back from injuries. I feel like that's never gonna happen for me. i'm hopeful i'm hopeful. I only have two more weeks. So i need a. I need a miracle It looks like you'll make the playoffs so don't even say that there's possibly i mean What what what. i say what. I didn't say anything Actually the most amount of next week now in the league for the oh no on eight behind somebody. Yeah but I think that's all for me. You have anything else. you wanna say. no no i don't all right. Well let them know where they could find a on instagram. Buddy yok Report on instagram. T. h. e. c. l. a. p. p. e. r. r. e. p. o. r. t. Yes guy so go. Follow us on instagram. You can find us on facebook as well at the clapper report Twitter at clap report Be sure to share this with a hockey friend Be sure to be sure to leave a lake or whatever it is like save it. Download it to your thing. 'cause i definitely helps us out and yoga's I think that's all for me sick until next week. 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Hour 3: A Lebron-less Playoffs

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Hour 3: A Lebron-less Playoffs

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast Spain in fit sunny SPN radio Sarah Spain with you Jason gov. Filling in for fits on the SPN Eappen Sirius XM channel eighty ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. Tune in tonight as kyri and the Celtics visit Durant and the warriors presented by indeed coverage begins at ten pm eastern on most ESPN radio stations. Let's out to the shell Pennzoil performance line. We're NBC sports. Boston, celtics. Reporter Chris Forsberg joins us. Chris. Thanks for making some time. I'm curious are people in in Boston as infuriated by hirees continued pointing the finger seemingly elsewhere, but himself or people kind of just accepted, his general Malays. Yeah. Sarah's been wild. Like, you you go back, and and really rewind to middle of October and carries out there in front of season ticket holders and says, you know, if you'll have back out plan to reside at Boston it, you know, everyone loves them and thought about the potential of the season announced just by. Months later, really a lot of trauma that's been around the team has been unnecessary. And I think probably would be the first would bent or or maybe not publicly, but he has made missteps, and you know, pointing fingers at the younger guys caused a little bit of tension at the start of the year, and he's had some very publicized rough patches here with figuring out how to be a good leader for a young team. And then even when he kinda thought he was revealing that he recalling LeBron looking for a little bit of help and reconcile a bit with his pass back at spun as a negative to. And so, you know, this has been a learning process for Kyrie as early as easy makes things look on the court. He's struggled just as much to to figure out how to lead these guys off it. And so there has been a little bit of a backlash from fans up here. But ultimately, you know, this team was never going to be judged based on what they did in the regular season it Tyree goes out and has a big night starting tonight at oracle where he's hat creek games. And Ben into the postseason he'll win back some of that support. But it has been. Threat of fascinating too to see the drama unfolded the way that that fans even up here of reacted to it. Chris you think there'd be a different interaction between kyri and his teammates or kyri and the fans if he was a part of that playoff run last year. You know, it would be interesting, and certainly a theme up here because the team has played well in his absence, and, you know, the big debate for a while was okay. I just hope it's just better without kyri. I mean, it just seems absurd. And when you look at the on-off splits this season, he is he the Celtics have been so much better. Especially offensively when he's out there and yet like the rest of the team just seems to go to another level individually. And maybe as a group when he's not there, and I just think it's a mindset thing like when Kyrie's out there, they sometimes just get caught watching him and waiting for him to sort of lit them up and take them to another level. Whereas when he's not there, you know, Jason Tatum to play a little bit more free terriers ear can play a little bit more free. And so I do think that you know, there's this natural wonder about well is he making this group better. And it hasn't, you know, necessarily shown itself in terms of wins and losses this year. So, yeah, if you've been out there and let that playoff run and people knew for sure that that that what he could do, and you know, in my mind if he was out. There. They probably get to the finals last year. So I it's caused a little bit of of what if up here and again like people need to see it. And and they know what a great individual offensive talent. He is. But can he bring the best out of this team in it hasn't happened consistently enough? Is she talking to NBC sports? Boston, celtics. Reporter Chris Forber. You can follow him at Chris Forber underscore on Twitter. I wonder the impression I'm starting to get is that carries very sensitive. But he wants everyone to think he gives zero bleeps do you think he's trying to any way endear himself to the fans or his own teammates, or as he given up altogether. And I guess what I'm trying to say is is he trying and he's just this bad at it. I it's hard right? Like, I think he wants so badly to be a great leader. And he wants to show that he's learning from the way that maybe in his mind that that LeBron didn't lead the right way. And that's kind of grow them away from Cleveland. Right. But then I think you recognize probably halfway through the season that maybe by pointing the finger like he was not he was doing the same thing to to to the Boston's younger guys. I wonder if he sort of said, oh my gosh. I become everything I hated. And you know, he he he probably had to change a little bit in it. And he's tried at times. But the fact remains that he's just not been able to get the best out of this group. And so that falls back on him it falls back on Brad Stevens. And so I don't know if Kyrie really cares what we all think. But I do I think he he understands that part of his legacy and part of the way we view him is tied to okay. This is his team. Now, can he get a young squad to another level to champion ship level without having someone? Like LeBron alongside and so as far as like his legacy, and what he wants to -ccomplish on his own here. So much of that is tied to how good he can make his teammates. And and I think that's the biggest struggle for him bears. Probably you know, why can't I get the most out of this group of what do I need to do as a leader to get to that point? You mentioned Brad Stevens. What could he have done differently in the situation if we talked to him two years three years from now, what do you think he will have said about the two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen MBA sees? Yeah. So like, it's hard for me to pin. Too much blame on on. Brad. I do think that he's been a little reluctant to change rotations to tinker with the lineup. He's he's really especially this current group like back in late November. They made the switch where they old Gordon Hayward and Jalen Brown outer starting lineup moved to Marcus's in Marcus Morris, Marcus smart and really played their best basketball up until about that with that group, but it's sort of come back to earth, Marcus Morris instead of bit of funk, and you know, it feels like they they maybe need a change. And it's Jaylen Brown comes along here. I I do wonder if. Eventually Brad we'll go back to that lineup. But the theme of the season has been Brad like really gives his players the ability to play through and versity whether that's a little running a game where you know, the nine run where he hopes they can just stop. But then it snowballed on them. They haven't been great in catching themselves those moments. I wonder here there's not a lot of ground to be made up in the seedings. There's sort of locked into where you know, one of those middle season the east, and that's certainly not what they thought they would be. But you know, I think the the priority has to be sort of figuring out. What is the best lineups? What does the best rotation here to give you a chance when you get to the postseason? So that's I'm Brad I think you have to be open to the idea of of maybe shaking things up a little bit. Because it for like, we're sixty four games in now. And it hasn't worked in long stretches. So they just got to be open to the idea of what they can do to to get the most out of this group talking to NBC sports, Boston Celtics reporter, Chris Forsberg at Spain in fits here Spain and Jason Goff with you. Haven't heard much of a reaction to Kyrie's comments way back. Where he said, you know, I don't really have to try that hard through the I seventy I care about being great in the postseason. Does that seem like a solid approach to a team that has so much gelling to do? It's probably not the right approach with a young team. But I you get like what you're saying. Right. He's proven it on the biggest stage that eat and go to another level. And really, that's all the Celtics have sort of the clink to right now is that you know, that they haven't shown any consistency this year. They're not where they thought they would be seen as wise for a while they would play up to the level of competition where you know, they they would beat the other juggernauts in the east, and then certainly beefed up these. But lately they've they fell behind by thirty Toronto. They got rolled by Houston over the weekend. And so, you know, what's left to cling to and really it's that, okay? Can Kyrie go to another level in the postseason really put this team on his back, and we'll been big enough from the rest of the guys to make enough to to to to go on a little run here. I again, like Tyree has that ability. I think we forget it a little bit because we didn't see it last year and the success that Boston had. But you know, he's put a lot on himself when they got when the the when they lost in Chicago. Went down by whatever it was twenty eight a couple of weekends ago. No curry came out. It was very bold. He was like in a way, I still don't think anyone can beat us in a seven game series. And everyone said, well, why did you deal that went says well because out here and right now based on the way the seasons played maybe that's what they need a little bit of irrational confidence. So, you know, the guy who was just trying to rally the spirits by suggesting they can figure this out. And so that's what sells expands are are left cleaning to in a in a season that hasn't gone to any which way they bought Chris bury could some college. That's wearing a Boston, Celtics jersey. I mean, Al Horford is probably the nicest guy that I've ever covered in any in any sport. But is there a self-aware mature adults who can kinda say, Amen? This is this is not a game anymore. We we're we're wasting a year wasting potential and something special could be had. But we're we're too busy peddling and away. Yeah. So Marcus Morris has tried a couple of times to sort of you know, say that. And I. And that's what's great about the he's gonna tell you what they think. And if they don't really care about her feelings, and and all that. But you know, I I don't know if there's another voice in that locker revenue kyri came out early in the year and said, you know, we use a fourteen or fifteen year veteran that went up here started wondering if it was like Kendrick Perkins could come back, and you know, provide a little bit of leadership. But again, I think more of a leader than we see like you said, it's probably he's not the pipe, really like Christine. It'd be like, hey, we're we're we're not playing up to the expectation. But I do think his disappointment is palpable. And I think that resonates with with the younger guys as well. Just don't know. It's your sister weird dynamic this year in terms of like everyone's individual goals versus what like the veteran guys one. And they are they probably recognize better than Jason Tatum. Jalen brown. What is at stake this year and the potential of the year? So, you know, to me again, it falls on Brad back on Damian each like, they have to be okay with like laying down over a bit of the law. They're gonna walk. It'd be like this. This is unacceptable. Brad has said repeatedly he needs to hold guys to to a accountable and hold onto a plane to a level that they should be. And because it hasn't happened enough. I get I think there's times where if you're not meeting that standard. It's gotta be hot Cup as it is. And you know, he's sometimes got it just get outta games. Or or sit them down for stretches. If you're not playing to the love of your tape glove. Well, as you said, the hopes still lies in what they can do in the postseason. Appreciate the time. Chris, thanks guys. Take care. Chris Forsberg on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today. Coming up more on Kyrie Irving and his public irritations with the media, and how much would it long playoff run to for his chances of staying in Boston Jason gov in for fit Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio Spain and fits a divorce. They haven't gotten married yet. The got engaged if anything is going to have to leave the Celtics at the off alter that's what we've heard at least from Danny aines was an. Gauge -ment not a marriage yet, not even sort of Kate taste and yet get the alter their disagreeing on the venue right now. It's not going. Well, it's pain and Fitz on ESPN radio the SPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason Goff hosting ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. The power to save is in your hands. Snapshot from progressive rewards, you're safe driving with discounts. Find out more at Progresive dot com. So we were just talking to Christopher's brag about Kyrie Irving and his two to me. What feels like he's given up on even trying to appeal himself to Boston fans. I'd be curious to know how his teammates are reacting. Whether they're on his side of the media's the worst. Yeah. It's definitely all about that versus. Hey, man. Can you just for once not did not answer? A question a way that makes things worse for you. And all of us because I think that's part of it right is if he just figured out either either, I'm going to be honest. And simple. And I'm going to take what I get or. I'm just going to pick and choose my battles a little better because you know, skipping the easy answer in favor of the woe is me. What is reality? The media are the worst. I'm not missing any of this when I'm done just fuels the fire. Sometimes you get what you ask for right? He wanted to have his own team. He wanted to be the man he wanted to get credit like he was the man. Well, guess what you're getting that credit, but you're not getting the credit for winning. You're getting the credit for team not reaching its full potential, and he's always had this Mamba infatuation. You can go back to the team USA practices when he's when he's like childishly. So I'm saying that in an admiration type of way where he his looking at Kobe Bryant on the sidelines and challenging him to a game of one on one. I think he's always had in the back of his mind that he's like the shorter version of Kobe Bryant. So he's seeing Kobe lead in a rough grouse kind of manner and and get after guys he thought he could do that. But the problem is he doesn't have the skins on the walls. Kobe and he wasn't as physically available through the first seven years of his career the way Kobe was so everybody wants to live out those Kobe dreams until you get those Kobe nightmares and he's living that one right now. Yeah. Absolutely. And and you know what? We what we've seen from him and force. Berg mentioned it in saying that I look back at my time with the Cavs. And I called up LeBron and said, maybe it's a little harder to lead than I ever thought. The way I reacted to that was very positive, right? Like, this is the guy was learning maturing. But the cynicism that followed. That was either about they're going to get back together in LA, and this is about overtures toward the Lakers. Or it was about I'm big leadership guy, just like LeBron. And now, I get how annoying it is to deal with my younger teammates, right? There was there was very distinct difference in the way people viewed that either as passive aggressive and it further attack on his teammates or a guy. That's maturing. And and I can see why in cases like that. He could be frustrated. The problem is he's not doing himself any favors by saying. I don't own anybody bleep. We're looking at cameraman and saying I'm not going to miss this bleep one. I'm doing. He's just aggravating the issue, and Jalen rose was on get up talking about this. And I think the way he put it was pretty smart. I don't think he's trying to minimize that. It can. Hard to be famous, and it can be hard to have attention. But he is saying that the way you choose to respond to it can make your life a lot easier, though, people feel those emotions when you ask them how they're doing. They actually say I'm doing good, correct? And the reason why they do that is because they're not trying to get into the conversation about everything that's not going well in their lives. That's all players have to talking. Meaning does it. That's the point greening this any horror. Mild. And like I promise you like when when I played in the league. And when those direct deposits hits a promise, you I've laid on the floor in my living room will hundreds of dollars on the floor. There's no angels in. Keep on the with actually playing basketball. They getting paid the amount of money. I was getting paid. So you can't you can't act like this is hard like I see guys talking to the media miserable. Just the worst thing of. No, it ain't that. And like the snow angels with the money as we said money doesn't solve everything. But when it comes to not understanding the business side of sports, I'm consistently confused. I say this all the time if you're Kevin Durant Kyrie, and you're complaining about people asking you questions pre and post game. Then you're not accepting that part of your job. And the reason you make millions of dollars is because of the coverage because people are interested in not just the game. But what you're saying? And where you're going and to fight that seems it seems like such a waste of energy, obviously done out to be said. But I'll say it it is because that you've worked hard, and you've made it through the processes that a lot of people have been filtered out of your talent is extreme we're talking about kyri. We're talking about LeBron. We're talking about Kevin Durant because these guys matter, right. And we love watching them put their best foot forward athletically, and they give us plenty of attainment. And with that those is still stay on them when they have their foibles when things. Don't go as planned. I think the issue that Kyrie is undertaking right now is the fact that he is aloof is not helping them out in his personal connection with these players. Jaylen Brown is a very very thoughtful, dude. I know if you've heard him speak long-form, but Jaylen Brown has a lot of things on his mind. And Jaylen Brown doesn't just talk the way young players, usually talk. Dude said that this is a toxic environment yesterday. And we're talking about a team this firmly in the playoffs. Right. They're not on the brink of not making all these other things. I think they are the best acquit at going up against the the Golden State Warriors when everything is working right from the Eastern Conference. But when he says, it's a toxic environment, and leads me to believe one thing that kyri Irving only has relationship with fellow Duke alum in Jayson Tatum. The report shared agent Yasser agent. And when you're the leader and things are getting tough, and you can't talk to other dudes. And then you you talk about other dudes in the generalities of how hard it is to lead them. Well, then. Yeah. You're not doing it the right way. And then you can have pockets of guys questioning you and that trust. And that foundation is going to crumble every time you run into some adversity. And we've seen that these last ten games or so. Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, what will be interesting to see just how much success they can have in the postseason. And if that will cure everything that ails if the promise of a potential of getting it, then he Davis or or bringing in another free agent keeps kyri around because going to New York and dealing with the New York media and possibly failing at a massive high level like that somewhere else doesn't seem like it'd be the right fit. Either. The best player that coming up with postseason hopes fading for the Lakers should the Bronco consider sitting out limiting his minutes. We'll tell you what he said about up that next. Plus also, all we all ready for a postseason without LeBron James, we've been asking for a shake-up are we actually going to get what we want Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz when you get so used to people. Complaining about LeBron for maybe reasons that are undeserved you get little gun shy about complaining about him for things that might be what I mean by that is should Lakers fans feel like they didn't get a fair shake this year, not just because of the injury. But because he came in and said, he didn't have anything to prove basketball wise, because he's focused on Space Jam to and help to chains with his album and Shabwa and taking entertainment meetings. Or are we looking for things to point the finger at because the product on the court wasn't put together. Right. And they didn't have a shot. Once he went down Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio sarahspain, and Jason golf hosting. I'm trying to figure out where to place that level of blame there because I don't want to be that person who's seeking outweighs to criticize one of the best players of all time. But if I was a fan of the Lakers, even with the injury. This is a guy who has focused a lot on things outside of basketball. And he's. Said he was going to go into activating mode and they're too in five since then does not have an activation mode anymore. Well, I mean, he can activate all you want. But the times that he's deactivated. Other players haven't picked him up, and he needs more picking up than he's ever needed in his career. And this the other thing too, Sarah. I think we take for granted how how special he's been. And then don't take it to a camp. This is sixteenth year like camello, Anthony, and any way we're the same draft. And we see we're both of them are at physically, right? Lebron James play more minutes than anybody in the last two decades and on top of it. He's also got these other interests as well. A lot of Lakers fans were worried about this. But they thought they would have to be worried about it in year three or four not year one. And they also thought that he would have some help like we understand now that he's a lot more Magic Johnson than we we gave it lip service. But he he's a lot more. Magic Johnson at this point of his career than has ever been where he's going to need. He's gonna need runners. He's going need then. Let me ask you does it change the way you feel about anybody from his past former coaches, former teammates, and maybe you were always given a lot of love to Kevin love. But from my perspective, a lot of people seem to imply that every single year, it was LeBron and just a bunch of dudes. And now that you see LeBron and just a bunch of dudes with some good talent. But young talent it's not the same. And it's not just the conference. Is it just that he's older now? Or did we not really respect how much was being done in support of him in alongside him before? Well, like, you said, I think I've always respected it because I I'm a huge fan of the games one of my favorite things to do watch watch it when it's finally tuned and played well, I think there's been different times when he has had guys around and write the and no no, no say to these guys. But you know, the booby gifts an the Larry Hughes era, the Donyell Marshall air those kind of guys who were decent players. But wore guys that you can you can strap up and ride to a championship with end. There's been. Times where we haven't given credit enough to the Chris Bosh of the world where I thought he was he was at the end of that run their ways knees were given out on them and just an integral piece defensively as well as offense and Kevin love to. I mean, Kevin love, you know, the the most famous switch on a screen of all times when he switched onto Steph curry to kind of seal the deal, and at the end of that great comeback. So I've always given those guys love and respected him. I think certain national media hot take artists may be haven't. But now, you see it. There's a combination the declining skills athleticism, those kinds of things even though he's still at the top of the league. We haven't seen the superman LeBron we haven't seen the guy that we know can go for forty and back to back playoff games. We haven't seen game six against Boston. Lebron because we haven't had the chance to and it's been a small enough sample size in one season where we haven't seen the consistent dominant play that we've seen from him. So we've gotten used to seeing twenty seven seven and seven as those numbers appreciating the but at the same. Time. It doesn't feel the same. And on top of that. You've got the other interests that are that are adding to what the detractors of brand and his career, they just giving them ammo. He's just giving them ammo invalidating on top of having one of the worst leadership seasons in his career. If not the I wouldn't say that it was just national hot take artists who were criticizing LeBron's teammates or who were implying that he was working as a solo artist. I think a lot of people felt that way. And I think part of what made me question whether or not the Lakers would be as unsuccessful as I imagined this season was my creeping concern that whenever I count out LeBron regardless of who's around him, and how many people are injured in what they're facing. He always ends up getting it done at least in the past. He has. And so even as I looked at this roster, and I looked at the Western Conference. I said, you know, for all I know they could miss the playoffs. So they could be the three seed. I dunno right? Like with the way LeBron has done in the past against really. Talented team thought there would be too. And so to me, it's it's it would be interesting. If you could rerun the simulation without the injury and have an actual understanding of where things fell apart because I don't think it was just the I think it was the team was put together in a way that doesn't make sense. And now you're left with not a whole lot to build on. And that's the biggest disaster Ramona Shelburne talked about what she thought was the biggest miscalculation made before he even signed on the dotted line at the Lakers. I would say that the biggest miscalculation wasn't the way the roster about was constructed and how much of that is on him. And how much of that is on Johnson. Rob Pelinka is what the Lakers need to sort through. Right. You know, I think we all kind of knew that. It was weird when like a sign the broad, and that was like jovial McGee and land Evensen and all of these characters in the league that you're like oh gonna work, and I understood. Yeah. There guys on one year deals and then win. And I talked to people on both sides. And what are they thinking? What the hell they do. Great. And you know, there was this sort of enthusiastic embrace of well, the idea of three point shooters and spacing the floor around the Braun has run into the Golden State Warriors lost every time the finals because they generally those are tough guys who also play defense or playmakers where everything falls on, you know, there was there was a nice vision there, but it just they just goes around guys. I don't know if it was a nice vision. I think they chose the wrong guys. But I think this idea of I don't think it's as cut and dried as saying, oh he always needed game game game playmakers and not shooters. I think especially as his game of we're gonna we're going to see a LeBron that needs a lot different help them. Maybe what he had in the past. You're going to see guys we need to take him off the ball. So he can get a blow. We're gonna see guys who need you're gonna have to have like it's going to get to the point where you're gonna have to have the perfect team around him. Right. So we look at guys like Joel Embiid who. You need a certain kind of power for that's going to be able to play with them. A guy that's going to be able to stretch the force. You're not playing on the block next to them. Or even a guy who people thought it was a bus in Jalil Okafor. You needed the perfect power forward next to him because of all of the defensive inadequacies had I think in your sixteen seventeen and eighteen you going to need to wing defenders on the court who can guard not only the best player. But also the second best would play at oh. By the way, those guys need to be able to shoot. Because the bronze going to have to be able to kick it out to them. And it'd be best. If one of those guys can take some of the point guard duties off, and by the way, you're going to have to have a big out there because he's not going to want to play the four of the five. I mean, let's let's think about they started the season at Portland with cow whose plan to five like these are the things that this team has gone through because they brought LeBron. And of course, when you get a chance to bring LeBron you take advantage of that chance, but you have to understand what comes along with that. And the roster reconstruction. So I think there was a failure from Italian valuation part. But also thought that they would be a top four playoff. See? Because let's face it, Portland. Was the third seed lash like the top of the west and the depth of the west is good. If not great, but I think it can also be overrated at the same time. So I'm thinking to myself man, you've got LeBron this conference. You've got a few young players who are ready to go. You got Lonzo ball who who's got somebody to take some of that public pressure off of them. And he's a guy who's won and been in those winning time moments. But when he got hurt regime Rondo got her, and then they realized that they need to Tyson channel 'cause you fail McGee wasn't a guy that we're going to be able to give major minutes too. So I think it's a complex issue that is has an easy answer. If you wanted to be a short one, and that could just be LeBron Spain in Spain and Jason Goth hosting. Lebron was asked about whether he would sit out down the stretch. He said unless I'm hurt I'm not sitting games. And I don't know that the NBA would let them right? Just like the pelicans. They will get a guy like LeBron James and say, you can't just sit him you, much minutes restrictions. Absolutely make sense. He needs to play though, he needs to play. You don't want to go into a season. Like, he's still. I think on the men from whatever was bothering him with his groin. And I think there's other issues going on there as well. Because he looks a little bit. I will say heavier, but he doesn't look as lean is he has looked in previous years. So I think there's other stuff going on there. But I do think he needs to play just because you don't know if you're gonna get this cast back with you again. So you better figure something out in these last fifteen twenty games, and I'm not I'm usually not the guy that says stuff like that like when it's time to sit I think you should sit and think about the championship that you're going to win next. But I think this is a different situation. He needs to play. But you also need to keep them around thirty to thirty one minutes you figure out that rotation. And you you keep them in there. And don't let them go over Sarah Spain and Jason Goth coming up. I'm going to ask off what can the Lakers built on for next year? Is it all about the hail Mary for the big name free agent? Plus, we all actually ready for an NBA postseason without LeBron coming up next benefits Spain and Fitz. Hey, listen, we talked about you are upsetting. So many people driving around children right now. I'm telling you right now, do not laying on Sarah do not blame this on me. This is our producers fault Travis. And Vince everybody riding around right now might has a toddler is screaming at the radio right now. Because this out everyone plays. I've everybody's listening to this podcast form where this song is not playing, and they don't know what's happening and they're not used. What? Exactly. Yeah. Because you're smoking people's children. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. We are we are doing this segment under protest. That over this garbage going on behind us. And I'm talking about the people and the song Jason Goth hosting ESPN. Channel eighty going out. Vacation sarah. Yeah. You you making me talk louder with my bad voice over that trash come on. Man. I will say your voice is held up. Stunningly proud of myself. Yeah. Yeah. Restraint in Arizona. But I did show restraint yesterday when I drank tea and didn't talk for a day. Hey party, our work hard. Right. I do what you gotta do. That's right. Speaking of working hard. I'll let's get back to the show talking about LeBron and the Lakers and before the show, I asked you this. So, you know, a lot of times fits and I talk about regular season NBA, what keeps us interested. Even when we knew it was going to be Cavs warriors down the stretch. And it might be a Russell Westbrook, and the PC's that might be rockets putting up offense efficiency the likes of which would never seen. But Martha's, always right? There's always stuff to get into now that LeBron's out of the east and now that there's tons of shakeups in the teams out in the east. We haven't really had to complain about regular season NBA, there's been plenty to talk about the question is now when we get to the postseason, which we're usually biding our time until we get to the good stuff. Will it be disappointed by what we thought we wanted which was shaken up league. If we're watching a postseason that doesn't have LeBron. For the first time in a long time while I know I'm going to be interested in the Eastern Conference because of the top four teams that are, you know, the Philadelphia seventy Sixers Boston Celtics, Toronto Raptors in Milwaukee Bucks, no shades of the patients, but I don't know if they're ready for prime time without Victor depot. I know what I'll be watching. I know what I'll be looking forward to and who can knock off the Golden State Warriors. But I think the casual fan or the or the fan who is watching it next to the NBA fan is going to. There's going to be I don't think a lack of interest may be the wrong phraseology. But man, you the people who understand and have that emotional investment in either loving or hating LeBron. There's going to be a void that has to be filled this year, and you're gonna have to find it. You're gonna have to find a new foil or new he'll or new face. I don't want us wrestling terms here, but you have to find something because whatever you love to hate about LeBron or whatever you love to love about it. A little Brian is not going to be here. And I think people are going to feel that void. He's he's box office. He has been he will continue to be hopefully going forward if the Lakers figured out this mess, but you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna want for for. I think when he's not there, especially in the west because oddly enough, we've flip the switch on the conferences. Even the warriors are still far and away favorite and everybody presumes that they're going to advance from the west after that, it got that exciting Grace's juices have underperformed. The thunder Westbrook. Has not been great. But he has done well in terms of the role. He needs to help support Paul George and keep that team is the three seed the nuggets are kind of still a team that everyone's like are they as good as that to see says, they are or are they going to go the way of some other high ranking Western Conference teams that haven't shown up in the postseason the west is kind of less exciting. We don't feel like we've got that rockets team that we had last year that could push the warriors to it's. Right. And on the east. We got all sorts of exciting teams. We got tons of great down. And we've got the superstars that we really want to see at the next level. Why with the new look raptors who Janas onto to compile? Right. The the Sixers and that crazy starting lineup Fulla talent. We've got and then the Celtics whether they get get there. You know, what together it's far more interesting in the east. Maybe LeBron was crazy like a FOX there. Maybe he knew all this was getting ready to happen in the he's wanting to break maybe wanna take a year off let me go to the west and Sony change his so as there, you gotta cop you gotta goner. It's all hall. Get new it amazing. Like the first four tracks will have you mesmerized without even inviting in the stuff that to change does. But. Good stuff. You know, little bronze and our talent evaluation. I give them a thumbs up. This is the best of the notes in the liner. Is this the best musical mastermind here? This is his best performance in LA this year. Not much. All right apologize. I'm sorry. I don't know who I'm apologizing to maybe maybe I'm apologizing still for baby shark being played in the background to this break. Yeah. Hey, so I mentioned earlier all the different stuff that if you really wanted to. Claim it's not about injuries claim. It's not about teammates claim. It's not about Luke Walton. It's about LeBron lacking focus. Lebron lacking killer instinct telling us before the season starts, he's got nothing to prove few think that he'll do less of that stuff. Does he not promote to chains and Space Jam and no you get all of a sudden I mean, what's that new show with Maria Taylor something about the mile? Oh, yeah. We're device by athletes. It's it's like the new version of the running man, which is one of the best bad move million dollar mile. That's it you see slow down on that next year. Because here's here's the thing. And I don't know if he's looking for excuses. But if you keep up the entertainment side, you always have that to fall back on I went to LA as a businessman as my career waned not I went to LA believing. I could win and I don't have it anymore. I don't know if he stops because the obligations are still there. And if these shows and these movies succeed in the people are still going to be there. I also think too. And I know this is blasphemy. But I also think that we overrate how much people are not people, but how much athletes really really want championships to buy. There's a certain say LeBron is this way. But there's a certain vibe sometimes where we like, oh, you plan to be the best you plant a lot of these guys think that the best already like making it to the NBA is a huge feet, and then making that money and changing generational wealth. And changing, you know, hundreds of homes around you by being a mogul and employing people. I think sometimes that's the championship. So maybe he'll fifteen twenty years from now when we're talking about this or there's a thirty for thirty done or the biography comes out, maybe this is the championship that he was trying to win the whole time L A just didn't come in the form of Larry O'Brien trophy, unless it no one can underestimate. It or try to under Somoza. Okay. Lakers fans the field. Oh, right. Right. Under sell. Lebron James has done off the court whether that be opening his school empowering other players creating player agency within the NBA all of the entertainment stuff. I mean, he is. He is not a business, man. He's a businessman, and we would never argue with that. The question is can you convince me that LeBron is one of those guys that doesn't care as much about titles because to me he did when he thought that he still had a chance in the J versus LeBron argument based on championships. And now, I think he probably knows he's run out of time and the number of times sees Ben and not been the MVP or Ben and lost affects him in ways that are erase unreasonable right now. Right. And I'm not saying that's fair. But isn't that why he would argue that he doesn't care anymore because it's out of touch. Now the moment the free agency hit and Paul George was an on that step wasn't on the doorstep think. Lebron Caddick recalibrate what this season would mean to them. And and you tell that there isn't the also buy in. But there isn't the vibe of striving for greatness and all the hashtags that he's thrown out over the us. He knows how many activation mode, but he could switch. I think that was him talking to the players around him more. So than anybody else, and it didn't work, right? And that's why I go back to the leadership stuff. Like if if nobody's following you. How good a leader? Are you in the same thing? We're asked him Kyrie Irving right now. So I think when nobody was with him. Nobody was there to rock with him. Paul George somebody else. I think I think he kind of knew what the season was going to be. It'll be fascinating to see what the Lakers can build on from this year. And how much of next year ends up being a really completely fresh start. And what LeBron does outside of basketball to convince people he's all in its air Spain Jason Goff. Thanks for filling in gov. Fits is coming back tomorrow. Freddie and Fitz Simons up next followed by Celtics. Warriors at ten pm eastern right here on ESPN radio. That'll be good one. We'll see how Kyrie faces off against the worst. Thanks listen to Spain. If it's fix for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast listened to the show six to nine PM eastern on ESPN radio and subscribe to the podcast on the ESPN app. Spain and Fitz.

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"That's right. I don't want to call. You kills. So that's right. That's right. Sluggers champs? This is Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Sarah, and Jason are off Clayton and Jason are on Clint east Jason gov. ESPN radio presented to you by progressive insurance. All of our guests will join us via the shell Pennzoil performance line. If you want to jump on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed, and how that is feel free to do. So as well at ESPN radio at Spain and Fitz at Clinton gates at Jason one golf, I've given you all the social media information. And now, it's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless, and whenever you hear that intro. That means we are getting down to the nitty gritty of sports and life and special interests. And all those other things that go along in our daily. So the White House visit for years as a kid. I thought it was super cool that whatever team wanted championship that year got a chance to go to the White House and we seen over the. Is pretty much twelve years or so more than that, maybe sixteen going back to Craig Hodges and the George Bush situation where you had to note of all the things that he wanted to to get done as representation of the African American community in the dashiki, and then was immediate summarily dismissed from the immediately blackballed and wrote a book about it. And it's terrific book. Craig is an interesting cat. I got a chance to interview them. But it's been it's been different for a while. Now going back to those days, it is now become a statement of such. And now there are teams players that just aren't even going. So now, the Boston Red Sox get their turn and Alex core and several players, and there's quite the distinction of who went and who didn't go if you put the media guide out there, and you try to guess who did go who didn't go you probably be spot on but Clinton you wrote a piece about this. And I'm not one of these guys and things. Oh, well, sports and social issues. Don't meet they've been meeting for for decades for generations for centuries to be honest with you, Jesse Owens. Muhammad Ali now, Colin Kaepernick, and all these other things that are thrown into the fray, this is a situation though that I find very interesting because James Harrison is a guy who didn't want to visit the White House. You know, the Boston goalie was the guy who didn't want to visit the White House, but it was a different vibe when they didn't want to visit the White House. Now, you got teams in basketball and some teams now in baseball with the Red Sox and Alex Cora who say, you know, what there's reasons why don't wanna go, and you could probably guess those. And it's not just pro teams that aren't going either. We saw the national championship men's basketball team Virginia Cavaliers offer up a nice plethora of side excuses, as to why they weren't going to go which diplomatically came down to basically, we ain't doing it. But the the relationship between major league baseball and the Oval Office is one that goes back to one of the most hallowed traditions and all of baseball, which is the first pitch for people who don't know how I pitch it started. I it's because tab. Through a ball out at a senators game from his seat and that commemorated the beginning of a game between the nationals and the athletics of Philadelphia in nineteen Dag on ten or whatever it was. That's where that started. So the relationship between the Oval Office in baseball is one that goes a little bit farther than just and further. I guess for that matter then just these sort of celebrating teams because they win now that being said we've seen different teams come to the White House. I've been to some of these I didn't go today. Obviously, I'm out here in California. But I went I was that the penguins celebrating their Stanley Cup win at the White House. And these things are stately enough. You know, they're slightly awkward just because everybody is dealing with something that they're not used to. But ultimately, it is a celebration. And it does reflect on what the person in the office. No matter whom they are think about you, and the people involved now that being said if you're Alex Cora Puerto Rican descent a man who live. Lives there in the off season. Let's also not forget that major league. Baseball relationship. Puerto Rico is one that is also very unique. They play games there. Okay. This is not some faraway hinterland that has no bearing on any of the baseball community understand that put a Rico is a part of this nation. But as a baseball nation is set aside differently. If you have any questions about that Wasser will baseball classics. They got their own team. My point is this for a man is leading a team. The Boston Red Sox in Alex Cora for him to be able to walk into the White House and deal with somebody. That has short changed his nation. The way they have that wasn't gonna happen. This was a no brainer in my opinion. Fallas core. Now, the important point of the day to address is that he said our locker room and our clubhouses not divided. And I'll tell you this. I agree with him. You know, why they won that trophy months ago? They have been through spring training every single day. You're in a clubhouse is an opportunity to have a conversation and Alex. Or even as a second year manager is one of the best leaders of humans in the bigs, I refuse to believe that this was not discussed until all of a sudden half the team wanted to get on a plane to leave Baltimore and the other half wanted to get on a bus to go south to DC, they have handled this I very much believe that as grown men in that locker room in Boston. Not only just because of what they are now because we're they live. They've had this discussion. I believe him at his word when he says we are not divided as a baseball team. Even though they might be separate as what they believe. And who they believe they're representing when they go to that White House. I commend Alex for how he handled this not only personally, but as a leader of this team overall never mind with all the guys behind him where they'd be players of color, otherwise chose to do in terms of following him in his leadership. This was a good portion of information all around from everybody. I think the Red Sox did it. Well, you know, we know the numbers when it comes to African American involvement in baseball. I I like to separate that because people like to just say black involve. I'm saying no Dominican players and and Cuban players afro Latinos have been dominating game in terms of numbers for very very long time. Now, how do you think baseball is handled the social issues that the social climate? I should say that that we are in right now this discussion isn't to make you pick a side and all that other stuff you're listening out there. But it's just it's one that I think we don't broach because we feel like we don't have to. But there there are very real impactful decisions being made. And I think that that especially when you have a sport like baseball who is trying to endear itself to a younger generation and a generation. Let's be honest. I read Steve Stoute's the tanning of America as one of the best books I've ever read because they it talks about what's going to happen. Thirty four years from now when little white kids, and I don't want to get into the Martin Luther King. I have a dream speech. But the actual dreams that were spoken about in those situations where the cultures are melting so much. So that the color of your skin is going to be less. Less important than the culture that you abide by in terms of your your clothing, or your fashion, you music or your sports. I think that the baseball isn't a weird place right now where they want the younger audience, but they don't really want to listen to what the younger audience wants like we might have the best athletes in the history of baseball. Not might we do have the best athletes in the history of the game in the game right now. But there's a lesson social media presence there still this thing of unwritten rules and not having fun and not stepping out and not playing the game. Maybe from the place that you came from whether it be Washington heights in New York or Venezuela. You know what I mean? So I think it's I think it's a very interesting. How baseball will handle this going full? We talked about Tim Anderson last week. We'll talk about them next segment, actually. But it's like baseball's I won't say in the crosshairs, but baseball where under the microscope. That's for sure. But I will say this. I think that they've handled this White House situation. Well by letting the Bosox do it on their own. Although I don't always agree with. That's how that's that. Being the way they do things. Let's just think about this vote. We get to the next portion of this discussion but look last season when the Bosox and the dodgers faced off against each other. Dave Roberts and Joey core were former teammates it was the first time the two former teammates had ever managed against each other in the World Series. You know what else? It was the first time to managers of color had ever managed against each other in the World Series. That's a century plus of big league baseball. And it's a that long for that to happen. That is a problem. And so for me, you can't sit there and say, oh, man. Joey core is some political jerk now dog these are real life applications to every single thing that is going on with everybody involved beyond. The diamond you cannot ignore that in Corrigan the Red Sox didn't. And I think that they're better off for it. And baseball's better off forward as well. I think I'm better off for having had this conversation with you understand. Genesis of the first pitch and going and clicking on your piece on ESPN dot com. Appreciate see this is why Clinton Yates is Clinton Yates. I'm merely Jason golf this. Spain fits radio show that was straight talk wireless straight talk. Brought to you. I'm sorry, straight talk. Straight talk wireless, everything for less only on WalMart. See I couldn't land the plane on the land in. Yeah. Yeah. Says if I wasn't listening to the end of an interview coming up is baseball boring. One Moby said just that earlier this week on the Dan lebatardshow. We'll talk about that next. I don't know what's going on with the Dan lebatardshow was Stu gods. But this last week or so they have been very Chicago Centric, and I can appreciate that being right here in the city of Chicago the city beautiful as hawk Harrelson used to say welcome back to the Spain of fits ESPN radio show. Clinton Yates, Jason golf for Sarah. And Jason that was a subdued one. Gives us a real, dude. What's up Kato's? It is the human red bull that is Clinton. Tim anderson. Tim Anderson was on the Dan lebatardshow and Mitchell Trubisky was on last week. And they asked him all kinds of questions about food. If there was a Representative player for the Chicago Bulls was some import I'm sure he would be on. Weird. And yes Carter's been getting a lot of shine on the Dan lebatardshow, Tim Addison White Sox shortstop and would just breakout star fee nom just likable, dude. I am a big fan of Tim Anderson because he's stealing bases for 'cause five hundred bucks of every stolen base goes to the anti-violence initiative here in the city of Chicago. And he's hoping that people donate along with them. I have donated money as well. So it's like I appreciate to manage him. Because he's he's easing Gratiot himself in a community that loves him right back and a fan base. Let's face it. We are the stepchildren of this city as far as the north side versus the south side goes some to managing guy, and I became more of a demand guy because he spoke to the Dan lebatardshow, and he had this to say. No, I'm not really, you know, logged into the into the baseball world. I try to stay away from it. But you know, I played a game in you know, that's a league that wait a minute. The AL player of the month is not logged onto baseball news. That's great. What is happening there? None of the more sports. Now, I have fought this Clinton for a lot of my life because you get told as a kid that baseball is a thinking man's sport. So there are medically you, there's a sense of insecurity. Whereas like if I don't like it and my dumb, and I'm not even joking with you. I I asked those questions and usually my teachers would answer. Yes. But honestly, my baseball is a sport. We've talked about we've talked about this last week. It's headed down to you generation Li like, no other sport is if you have a person in your family who loves baseball, and they get their hands on you. You're probably going to love baseball. My parents are from belief Central America. So it is soccer football. Actually, it is soccer and basketball, and some other things make cycling actually is big and believes, but when I when they came to this country baseball one big to them, and it wasn't big to me until I was about twelve years old. And I got my hooks into the Chicago White Sox because everyone was a cubs fan. I was like all right. I'm be kind of culture, I like their uniforms, and now I've learned and grown more in the sport as the years of gone pass. And I can appreciate it on every level that that I need to. But it's okay. I think these days for people to say that without being chastised. And I know how much you love the game. What do you think when you hear to manderson say that I think he's right? Baseball is boring. But the reason why baseball. Is boring is because baseball is the most TJ complex, non obvious sport out there. You know, the the barriers to entry for liking baseball game or an experience are very high. I do not deny that what? So ever you think I asked people to go to baseball games with me. No. Because I sit there and I score games in a book. So that I can write down later, you know, and I can reference what happened earlier in the game because I will likely have forgotten because Hello the pace of the game is slow that being said, I just wanna get a side point out of the way here regarding Tim Anderson. A lot of baseball players feel this way. This is not something. That's the guy who flips his bed and the guy who fights you know, what I mean, we're gets thrown at and ends up getting no fights and thrown out a game. This is not something unique to him the number former players and former managers and so forth that actually were in the bigs that I talked to regularly. They tell me all the time talk. This is mega boring, but that being said. There are plenty fans in this game more willing to attach themselves to almost every single part of it and baseball just doesn't do a good job of marketing that element of the game. We talked about this last week. Daisy. If you don't like washing dudes, pick ground balls up off the ground and throw them across the diamond you're not going to like baseball just because more distracting people out and hitting homers. You're just not because the game is more than those two things. From a flash standpoint. What baseball's gotta do is find a way to make everything ancillary to the game and answer to what we'll just call pop moments relevant again, the board to do that's really hard to do. You know, I've talked to different executives about this. And they always ask what is it? Is it a TV product thing is an in game thing at some level of both. But at the same time, you've got to find reasons to make people fall in love with more players than just the ones we have the big contracts, and the ones who have the sweet hair, that's the hard part, and it's difficult because a lot of people like you said. I didn't learn baseball from my dad in the context of anything other than he stuck me in a baseball Cam. And I became obsessed with it. And now, we talk about it. It wasn't like a thing though. That's going. No. But I'm saying like, I wasn't of the generation where with some field of dreams kind of scenario at all. And that's not going. My dad is he's more of a Pasco ball guy. It's as simple as that. We're from DC, it's a basketball town. But my point is is that I own a granular level care. A lot about baseball. And I'm not an average fan in that regard. But there is no inbetween ga between a guy like me and a guy like you. Those people are not presented in a lot of broadcasts. Those people are not the ones that you see marketing the game, whether it'd be for the player standpoint, or from just, you know, a fans standpoint, it's always people who seem to know everything or seemed to know nothing, and there are plenty of people in-between Huda plenty about the game. And that's just what it is about pace ball. But you don't see those cats out there. That's the issues that they don't know what lane market the sport in in order to get it right and maximize the fan base. If people didn't listen to the show last week when we're on right here on Spain and Fitz. On ESPN radio Clinton Yates, Jason golf. Thank you for listening to the SPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty as well presented to you. By progressive insurance Clinton, you made a beautiful point last week. And it stuck with me after the show and actually couldn't wait to be a guest on someone show or host my own show to bring it up and give you credit because you mentioned it was some form. And I wanna butcher it. But it was some form of the players are too good now. So everything that is special looks routine, and let's face it. You know, a body to body dunk is routine in the NBA, but it's feel special right? All right. A thirty foot three pointer. Now, that's routine guys. You know, the war has been practicing with a four point line damn near for a year and a half. Now just to space it out because they knew boogie cousins, go need more room. Like, there's certain things that are happening behind the scenes and basketball and also in football. Let's face it. I remember when Chris Carter dotting the is on the sideline was a special thing. And now, it's still a special thing. But yeah, the third wide rece. Lever on a team can do it. Now. Right. Whereas baseball if you're not happy biased, and you're not you'll have the swagger riffing since as that. He has you know, if if you're just how he picking and tripton Simmons at a high level, you're just another guy in terms in terms of the casual fan where I can watch Andrew Simmons. And I got introduced to him in Atlanta. And when I was down there hosting, and it was like, you don't realize that that dude is a wizard because everything he does seem flawless, and it seems so easy that you're I it didn't pop to you. And it was a great point that you made enough thought about sits let me let me bring this up to have you by us. I don't know a lot of people know this. How is bats right? Throws. Right. How many buyers is left handed? Like, these are the kind of the sympathy how he by eats, food and writes with his left hand, meaning his glove hand is his strong hand. And he does that for the purposes of being able to tag better in pick up better. That is unheard of. How many people might know tagging? Now, Chicago also consider themselves to become so don't even know that. That's ridiculous. That should be a well known fact, you should be scream from the hilltops hobby prizes. It amazing player anyway stuff like that major league baseball cannot figure out and it's just too bad. Well to Madison seems like he was ESPN radio is presented by progressive home insurance. Get your quote at progressive dot com today. Coming up is the kyri Irving era in Boston already over. That's next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app Clinton. Yes. Welcome back to Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. And Jason are out tonight now each other out separately. But Clinton an eye Jason golf, clean Yates. We're in together. And we're hanging out talking to you on ESPN radio presented to you by progressive insurance. Let's go out to the shell Pennzoil performance line and hit it up with what is seemingly a weekly guests on. This show. Chris Forsberg interview. Now. Boston Chris's out here. Just getting his national sign on Mr. Forsberg. How you doing? What's going on? I'm glad I'm glad I can get one more week out of my team before you banished me till July. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to talk to you about the off season where Marcus Morris is gonna go pretty soon. So I got a problem. Maybe I got a problem with young players who don't live up to my expectations damn their youth to me. Jason Tatum man, we talked about this last time that you were on. And that was two games ago. I believe Kyrie Irving is catching a lot of heat and deservedly. So, but at what point do you Boston Celtics fans point the finger, and that just point the finger, but say this might be the guy that we have to ride with going forward. And how is he going to assert himself a little bit more in future playoff ventures? Yeah. For sure, you know, I think the the more maddening thing for Selvik chance to as you saw the third quarter of game. Five Tatum comes out super aggressive is going to the basket. I think at ten points in that quarter. You just look really good. And it's like why can't you bottle that up and do that more frequently and when especially when the Celtics need it, and it just hasn't been consistent this year. And I think that's the the biggest frustration with Jason is a very good second year like by by all standards that would be a good year. But we just had such high expectations for them that you know, he didn't quite make the the. Pronounce leap that everyone expected. So he's got some work to do in in year three to show that you know, he can still make progress and change in game. And you know, all the the jokes remade about whether Koby polluted him, and what you can do to to really become a an impactful player because let's face it. If the Celtics do Jason painter if he's still here when the when the dust clears and they don't make a trade France Davis. You know, he's supremely important to however, this thing involved and the south is clearly need more Goto scoring options, especially if Kyrie is going to be bothered by the length of a team like the box in the play offs. And it they need someone else who can step up and loosen it up and so Tatum going to be important in in. However this thing evolves. One of the oddball things about this franchise right now, Chris they have one of the unique problems that you find in the NBA, which is a lot of good things. And also a lot of question marks somehow at the same time. And I just wonder what the priority is on this in terms of the proverbial. Fix and how much of that lies on Brad Stevens who gave a lot of credit to last week. We're finally getting this thing together and getting the sweep, but at the same time, you didn't think that a four one exit from the bucks was going to happen in the second round. I mean, where do you start in terms of trying to make this right? If you're the Celtics. Yeah. I mean, I think you know, maybe we said this last week is I did have a like a little bit of a fear that if the Celtics went far in these playoffs, they might have been mauled into this like sense of security with their Australian it is and it's clearly like flawed, right? Like this mixed players for whatever reason just never figured out that chemistry, and you know, okay? Maybe they would have I in that scenario. They would've figured something outright. And getting Ethan the playoffs, but it's hard for me to envision a scenario where they just said. All right. Let's run this back because it just it just didn't work, and I it can start with every single player on the roster and the obviously start with Kyrie, and, you know, Gordon Hayward not playing to his level, and you can get a little asterik because of the injury. But let's face it. Like he's pretty far out from that thing now. He should have been better in the play offs. And whatever you wanna say about the young guys and their development. So they've got a lot of of broom for for for for how this thing will evolve. And so, yeah, I guess it starts with Kyrie. I if you wanna is this the guy you want to build around, and then you've got gotta shape the roster around him. You gotta get them some probably more top level help as we saw. You know, he just needs a running mate probably out there. And you know for Brad Stevens. That's the challenge is this is the roster that he used to have that used to always have those spunky overachievers, the Isaiah Thomas and Jae Crowder's of the world, and it the Butler teams that he coached like now he's gonna figure out how to work with stars. And like, how do you hold them accountable? How do you get the most out of them? And that clearly was a challenge for Brad this season. And so everyone's got a little bit of work to do here to to for this team of the to get back to the level that we sort of thought they'd be at this year. Chris Forsberg the Natalie. Clad Chris Forsberg, maybe see Boston. Joining us here on say fits ESPN radio. Clinton Yates stays in golf in for Sarah. And Jason Chris one word that you think would sum up the Kyrie Irving era in Boston. If it is over indeed. On, you know, just like it was a really strange time. And no part of it was year. One gets done did because the knee injury flares up and he dialed, but they go on this crazy run in the playoffs. And then it might have been like the biggest curse for them because as much we sat there and said look at the young guys getting all this experience. And then they came back, and no one knew how to how to weave it all back together like Kyrie's walking on Xtra 'cause he knows the young guys or, you know, ready for their star turn. And but he also need them to sacrifice. So he can be who he is. And the young guys didn't wanna sacrifice, and so I struggle the flake find the right words for the season. But it just was off. It was strange. There was this like uniqueness about it in terms of everyone just seems they just never jelled, and that'll be the the lasting imprint if he walks away there was such high hopes when they brought him in about what the potential of this team can be especially as the young guys develop an. And yet they'll have never come close to to reach enough potential and part of it. We'll look back and say, you know, kyri caused some stripe with the way he led and his his wild press conferences and his his loquacious answers that sometimes don't seem to get to a point. And so I it's it's it's just not feeling. Well, I mean, I ramble about this. No, not not. I always say that behind your back. Chris not not to your face. But I feel the same way. Like, I get a little bit of Kyrie in me when I'm trying to describe the scene because it was so all over the map, and it it's really hard to encapsulate. It just I the way I'll summarize it is this is I Africa game violence after I said that was one of the most disappointing Celtics season in the history of the franchise. And I mean, they haven't had a lot of disappointment seasons. Like they've been great. And they have all these banners. But like just think about that that this season was one where they had super high expectations, and they didn't even come anywhere close to reaching it. Let me ask you this for the one proverbial bright spot for which is presumed. You talk to him on the way out which is Gordon Hayward. You know, he came along the injury happened. But I don't think anybody is looking at him as either underdeveloped or ill developed where is he in your opinion in terms of how far he's come along for what he thought he was going to be for the Celtics, and what the fan base thought he was supposed to be for them as well. Yeah. I you know, it it it it ended a little bit of disappointing. Because he looked so good in that that first round against the Pacers really felt like he turned a corner the final weeks of the season. I think back to game four against the Pacers. He's backing himself up and and and reading up and going right at miles Turner miles Turner dunk on on him in that game. Like table was hell bent on getting revenge and got him a couple of times at the ram and you're thinking, all right. This guy can be the factor in the box. Don't have somebody who can come off the bench and impact the game the way Gordon Hayward had been playing at that point. And he had a good game one as a all the Celtics did, but then really struggled, and we're both of his shot and it felt like with his confidence. And so I think if you're a Boston fan, you're hopeful that, hey, maybe he just needs a summer to to work out all the kinks regain that confidence to just get the fresh start of a new season. But there was so much of this year was just based around you know, how you feeling today. How you feeling why why did you take a step backwards? Why do you why why did you score thirty points on this night? And it was a constant stream of question about the injuries. And I wonder if maybe next. Sure, we'll start to move past out a little bit. It'll be there at the start of the year, obviously. But you know, maybe it'll just be Gordon Hayward playing basketball, and if you can get back to anywhere near what he was in Utah. And we did see glimpses of that this season. Then that's going to be a big thing for the Celtics. And then maybe you do have that that as secondary threat that whether it's kyri or housing this roster looks sorta needs to take to to grow. But yeah, I think it's tough. I think the the way it ended it makes you wonder like why Gordon Hayward couldn't get to to to to me to that next level or or maintain that consistency. So there's there's room for him to to to take it next year. What's next for you? Chris Amine, the assignment kinda is over even though of their basketball all season isn't a thing anymore. Like, it's it's now turned into the NFL. But what what what's next for you at embassy Boston? So it's gonna just be like this is the NBA season is relentless right? Like the Celtics got there's many as four first round picks coming. So like everyone's gonna be freaking out about the draft. And who knows it believe in us those picks because your chances are there. Gonna be talking to New Orleans here and trying to figure out then getting Anthony Davis deal done, and you can get the parameters in place around that drought. And maybe have something, you know, that you're you're sort of already completed before you can get that July one day when you can actually make it official, and there there won't be any any rest for this team. I I think that a couple years ago when they made all those initial moves trading today at Thomas and bringing in Cairo. I think this summer could be very similar. I just think this roster has a real chance to turn over a lot. Because again, the mix just didn't work this year. So I I'm not gonna get comfortable. I'm hoping that you guys can still we've me in Now, Dan, whatever the Guineans makes a crazy move. And we we we can break it down. But you know, it will not be quiet for the Celtics this summer. All right. Chris freesheets, Tom MB's, brother. Thank you guys. Take chris. Chris Forsberg embassy Boston right here on Spain fits peon radio Clinton. Yes. Jason golf in for Sarah. And Jason coming up. Oh. That's out that's him rubbing his hands together. Like word man is going to be in Chicago next week. So we're going to figure out how that's going to go with he and I the same place for a couple of hours it spayed and fits that down the hatches on ESPN radio and the CNN app Clinton swimmingly. Welcome back Spain Fitz on ESPN radio shot onto our guys James steel. And of course, Ryan Matt lack back in our Bristol studios. We're on ESPN radio the CNN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. And Jason are out Clinton Yates myself, Jason golf every time. I say myself I want to get into the the Michael Jordan. You know, myself Robert chief Ron Harper. Tony Scotti, we're here. Michael. Thank you. Thank you. I do walk to if you're if you ever want to see it in their work on radio Lewis swings channels zero. You didn't know you didn't know now, you know, Clinton gates is the hater to my to my left wanna play some. I'm Jason golf and Clinton will be in Chicago next week for the NBA draft combine, which is one of my favorite things in the world. You know, why? Because agents talk a lot, and you get to see a lot of like, I I was covering it. When it was at moody bible institute, and that was when I was a little bit slimmer. So there's nothing like a six foot two black man walking out of a home getting held on. Oh, please. Let me tell you this right now. I have ruined many a seven year old white kids autograph book when when when they look at you and go Sirkin you sign up. You should have had a scouting report kid. So now, I'm signing this and you now we'll go back to Google if it wasn't invented by. Then you will now go back to your basketball scouting report. And. And try to figure out who exactly Jason golf was. I can't do that anymore. I've got a little bit of a different vibe in a different body as I am. Now, a dad of a two year old and I can blame my body on him. But the moody bible institute to now attack athletics where it will be the combine is going to bring my guy Clinton Yates semi fair city. So give me the lay though, what is this? How does this? How does this stop it? How does this work because I've been to I've been a mobile a bit and senior bowl. It is a little bit different bread out. Little little bit different various showcase events for baseball. Why is this like just for me? All physical set point. What am I expecting to my friend? You will be the west loop area of the city, which went from the meat packing industry. Like, it was just industrial stuff to now Google has dropped a whole bunch of money in that area. So some of the finest restaurants in the city are going to be no more than a twelve. Twelve ten minute walk from where the combine will be. You're going to have ample opportunities to delight yourself with all kinds of cuisines from around the country because I don't know if you know this about Chicago, but we are a steak and seafood and Mexican food and Chinese food and sushi and anything that you could possibly dream up. This city has every bit of it. So you going you're going to eat well, and then after you burn that off with a nap or whatever you choose to do for the hour or so that I'll let you get back to your hotel and your regular life. We're gonna burn the city down. Okay. So that Jiang said, yes. Hey, am I going to enjoy the combine itself because somebody's needs can be really road and be really long? No, I I'm going what he told the Bank of all. Yeah. It's not going to be. It's nothing more than than watching people work out that you probably didn't need to see workout. That's got is. I mean over am I supposed to be appearing on some local Yokel stations with you? While I show up you referred to yourself as that not me. I'm I'm blackballed from many of the stations here in this city for for very incendiary reason, let me off that. No. I was just messing with you know, but I know so no, I don't think you will have to do that. We're going to be here. When would be here. I'll be there starting on Wednesday. When it come by third Wednesday to TD. Oh, I'm just saying it's an open ended ticket. All right ticket. Yeah. We could we could find some things get into if you wanna if you wanna flex the old broadcasting muscles. Let me tell you. Why though I'm interested in this though is because Chicago series is because combine standpoint like this is relatively new to the public world of the NBA, which is people working out in under the microscope in the same way. We see this with the underwear Olympics football all the time. I mean, this is like a big part of what people do see this in other phases in other sports, but it's a date on the calendar in other sports. Yeah. It's not that for basketball and very intrigued to see just what the vibe is like around this event at this stage of the NBA's existence from a global standpoint from popularity standpoint, you know, who's going to show up and be around. Beyond the loud mouth agents that you talked about just in general. I'm very excited to see who are in the basketball world is showing up to Paul never forget the time that I saw shame Batty fresh out of Duke, hold court in front of twenty media members as if he was running for president and Dan pillow, actually, the program director of the station that you are doing your show from right now seven ten in LA he was with me at the time, and he looked over. And he's like that dude is going to be somebody's broadcaster or something on some level. When it's all said and done Shane hasn't taken that route because saying is firmly entrenched in the Miami communities doing a lot of stuff. He loves living his life shout out to him. But at that same camp, I believe I saw a young upstart shooting guard who wasn't of apps size or normal size for shooting guards at the time. Walk in with his shoes tied at the laces slung over his shoulder old school style and his name was Gilbert arenas, and he Brazil. Yeah. He proceeded to give everyone at combine buckets. Time after time after time again, one of the greatest second round picks vol time. So yeah, man, this stuff to see players to be introduced to you know, you can watch us. You can watch a Brandon bass workout for Bernie Bickerstaff back in the day. Like that kind of vibe, a Lauren woods get his lunch. Eaten by Stephen hunting hundred from depaul and make Stephen hunter a lottery pick. So this story lines at every single combine. But yeah, this one this one there will be no shortage of them here in town to bro. Yes. Yes. They're chicken on my boy, go let's go like what I'm excited about. Introducing people to this city because if you will hear a lot of bad things about the city at times, and I and I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. When I moved to Atlanta, like the first thing when people were like you from Scotto. Oh, no, you don't it's a beautiful place full of beautiful people there are problematic areas that we need to fix his community. But other than that, man. This is this is the greatest bar none including New York, including LA. This is the greatest summertime city in the entire. Country, and I can for everything on that. So looking forward to it because I will be doing one of the many programs. I'm lucky to do on this network from there around the horn action very excited about that from shy. So stimulus should be a fun weekend. You sleep on the horn. If you wanna come see you can come see it. Why would I can't just put you? That's not my call. That's not what I do. They just pay me to look good on television. I don't know anything about sports. People are not thinking about sports. I'm just here to look good. That's really all. It is don't fool yourselves kiddos. I'm not here to chocolate break anything. Dan. It is there. It is. Ladies and gentlemen, we had a conversation about that term rest. Well. Using chalk talk as a term. I don't that is for the Bill Polian of the world that is four guys who, you know, aware Wrangler 's and listen to very very slow music while eating food and drinking milk, you need to stop saying talk, talk and friends sports is not what I'm here for. Okay. Sex appeal is what I'm here for. That's what are you talking about? What are you talking about four back from the streets? That's all you are. I'm glad this got out in the last segment because you would be flamed for the next hour if we had time to do. So all right. Thanks for listening. Jason and Sarah are back tomorrow. Thankfully for certain listeners coming up next, Freddie and Fitz Simons is has been Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio on the ESPN app Clinton. Happy Thursday kiddos.

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"Welcome back to Spain. And fits here on ESPN radio. Presented to you by progressive insurance. Clinton Yates, Jason golf sitting in for Sarah. And Jason right. What's up kiddos and today say ESPN edited seven to nine three seven seven six, callers and guests appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. And I love saying appear because it feels like there's a magic wand instead of a button that you press, and you just have them appear in front of you. We've been talking tonight about the seventy Sixers hosting the game three against the Toronto. Raptors tonight lead up to this game is getting ready to tip off. And you know, Leonard is an interesting subject to me. And before you laugh at that. Because no one probably would find quiet Linden, very interested. Right. The man is scoring forty points per game in these first two games in the series. He's at I believe somewhere around thirty four for the postseason so far. Is there a more understated? Maybe all-time great when it's all said and done player in this sport. Than him. I know I know him Dunkin is Tim Duncan is the is the standard, right? But right now, maybe in all sports right now is there a better player who gives you less in terms of an interest factor or quote or sound bite than Kawhi Leonard. Well, there's definitely Mike trout. But if we're going to stay in the Gillies laughs, and smiles shirt like human if we're going to stay in the basketball world, I of want to ask you a related but separate question, which is world. How good do you think? Kawhi Leonard is in these all time rankings like where are you generational on how high he legitimately is amongst his peers, I think that that's a question that matters in this because I think some people, you know, they see him as a dude who's kind of boring. You told them a two way player. He's obviously excellent. In terms of what he brings to a team. But if he ain't bring it on and in terms of swag and sauce or not good is this Bama anyway. Well. Tim Duncan conversation though. Right. He played in his system to while Tim Duncan and manage nobly and Tony Parker. Still had I won't say stranglehold because outstanding I'm reading players, but they had a grip on the franchise, and he played an Popovich system that doesn't highlight isolation basketball. Now pop let him get his thing off every once in a while pop. Let him do his thing. But if Kawhi Leonard, and I heard someone talk. Oh, Pat Beverley I heard Pat Beverley when podcast talking about it the other day regards to Damian Lillard and his relation to James harden. He said the toughest guard in the NBA. He went Kemba Walker. You Russell Westbrook. And then he went Damian Lillard. And he said, he said something very interesting. If Damian Lillard had a coach, and we just mentioned Terry starts in our conversation with Brian Wheeler from the Portland Trail Trail Blazers radio team, he said of Daimiel Lillard had the autonomy. That James harden, did we'd see those Jay. James harden, like numbers from talent standpoint. Because Damian Lillard is just I do, but he actually is in a system. I believe the same thing of Leonard. Leonard had the the Paul George autonomy. If he had these kinds of systems that he can be in for two or three years and say, here's the ball. Go have a blast. I think quite Leonard is a twenty seven twenty eight point per game, dude. Easy peasy. Okay. I think and and him playing with pop and playing under pop and playing under the thumb of some of those guys and at the end there the PR machine for the San Antonio Spurs work because if you didn't turn on quiet Leonard as basketball fan, you kind of like, hey, man, he ain't saying nothing. So I guess he ain't really hurt. He was really looking at situations. Like, Isaiah Thomas. Unlike some of these guys know DeMarcus cousins, who when you lose money, you ain't probably going to get it back. So quiet. Leonard is an interesting case to me because I think he is a phenomenally talented player when Kendrick Perkins. I know he's not the. The end all be all these kind of conversations kid, you Parkin's compares him to Jordan in terms of understanding his game to a T. No wasted movement. Get into your spot. Understanding what defenses are coming and doing to you watch Cuco that first game against the Celtics sit there and figure out all right or the coming on the first dribble coming on second dribble on double team without a dribble. Like it took him an entire game. When the playoffs to understand that you don't have that luxury when you play against teams who are equally talented as you you give up a game because you're trying to figure things out as a problem. I think Hawaii Leonard has mastered that and the fact that he's boring. We don't get the insight that we're getting now with Kobe with the detail show and all those other things I think he's got that. I think he's got that genius level brain. And also the talent to go with it. So I do think he's a generational. I just feel like if we don't see that. Are we really getting the most we could be getting out of Kuwait? Listen, I respect it. I watched a lot of basketball. It's game. I've come I'm not I'm not so newbie who doesn't. What's going on in terms of his productivity level? And why people think he's good? But I don't turn on my television watch Leonard that and that to me or watch. Tim. Slightly. I mean, he looks at a signature move implying. You know? The Bank shot was at least a thing. I watched him in college. So there was there was a legacy factor that I liked about him. Right. There's something to be said about if average basketball fans aren't drawn to Kawai. I'm not mad at them for that. You know what? I mean. I get that on a lot of levels, even though I think it's possible to acknowledge his greatness while not necessarily it's not even about personality necessarily, it's just about style of play. That's a lot of folks just doesn't really appeal to them in terms of while they tune into the NBA nothing really pops to you out to you in terms of what really stands out, and that's fine. I to happen in I agree. Right. And that's what I'm saying. I think there's something to be said about why I think I think my natural inclination was ask you. Well, how good is? He really if you know what? I mean, I'm not even really all that press to see him play. But that's just my own personal bias in terms of things. He's a tremendous player, and I'm never gonna disrespect on any level. Yeah. Now, I'm not taking it as that. It's not a zero sum argument. It's not it's not do you like Leonard where you take them or not. I mean every. Every NBA franchise, including the clippers the Lakers and the Mets and all these teams going to line up as soon as the off season hits to try to make sure that he is their prime target Tracy McGrady talked about this not only this series. But about a certain player that we discussed in the first hour that needs to use the kind of step his game up. Larry has to be consistent which and the playoffs. He struggled a lot in order for these guys who advanced past Philly he's going to have to play well, see outcome. I'm not worried about because he does so many other things basketball. He had the intent he's he's a hustle hustle guide. Larry is expected nothing better than the jazz slash hip, hop, fusion backdrop additional planets kind of generic I have a whole call you about that later about beds. That were tossed that exist in the archives that we used to use the morning roasts. We it for a whole show. Once if is is there subdued onyx flavor that we can we can ride with like, I wonder what the producers in the background thinking like, okay, we're talking about a guy. I can check my man right now with 'cause I'll find the call numbers more through Tracy mcgrady's point. I think that there is I don't know man after so many years of this after so much time, I feel like we've kind of gotten we're getting hungry, and that's not that's not an it's a knock in a sense of it isn't on what the ceiling of this talent level is. But it's not a knock in terms of what I think is effort is. You know what I mean? I don't think he's a do that doesn't care. I don't think that he's a dude that sort of use this as being outside of his real legacy. I think he understands that. And I think that's why I'm not going to say it's unfair for team to say that. But I think it's a slightly misguided view on anything other than just this series. Of course, they need to step up. What are we talking about here? That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not calorie can do. This. And if not who are you going to get who can because the rafters as he said are not advancing if that doesn't happen, and it's unfortunate. But he's a guy that everybody thought was going to be effectively a perennial all-star starter who in big moments seems like more of a role player at best. Which is an awkward thing. We've talked about moving from the regular season to the postseason. What's even more awkward as he's not to do that? I would ever want to be matched up with in a dark alley like calories a tough, dude. So when you when you see tough dudes fail in these moments. And that's I mean, let's be honest. The there's nothing in my mind that doesn't tell me that when they made that call to San Antonio. They're like, hey, Kyle real. And they were like all right. We'll give you demar because Kyle Lowry in the regular season can be a marvelous player, and then this postseason comes around. And you're sitting back thinking when when's the next game that he's going to get out played by guy like DJ Augustine, which shouldn't happen and sat out to Augustine in the Augustine family. No shave till you guy. But I mean, let's let's face it. There's different tax brackets that these two dudes are in and one of them out play. They are the ones severely in the first game of the playoffs where you're trying to make a statement. So the Kyle Lowry thing is is is to toughen. Yeah. Right. Right. Because I like him a lot. Yeah. Yeah. He's Clinton Yates. I'm Jason golf. We're in for Spain. And fits right here on ESPN radio coming up of the coach and GM on the same page in Arizona when it comes to Calamar, we'll discuss that next. Welcome back show here on ESPN radio the SPN Eappen Sirius XM channel eighty presented to you by progressive insurance. We're not spending fits, Sarah. And Jason are off. It is Jason golf and Clinton Yates Clinton does whoever you want to give top billing that is up to you. Maybe we could put on a pole later who performed better during the show, leave them alone. Can we do this radio so creepy out here passed judgments on their on that until family room? Rain, those pictures that angel family cut it out. So there's nothing worse than going to a dinner party or a scheduled event with a significant other and not having your lies or your stories sync up on why you're late or the argument that you got into beforehand, and there's nothing better from sports fans purview. Than to hear it play out between a coach and a president of operations slash GM column, or we all know saving with the number one. Overall pick cliff Kingsbury is do head coach he loves column Murray. Steve time is the general manager. He's the guy that's responsible for the pick. Listen to what they had to say about how soon column Murray, we'll be inserted into the starting lineup. Let's start with cliff Kingsbury. Oh, so okay. So he said we'll see if column is the week one starter. Right. Right. And then Steve Kerr on the rich Eisen show said Murray will be the week one started. We didn't draft him to ride the pine. So I love the fact that they didn't talk about this shortly after the draft nor the day before either one made these comments like usually you get your story straight like all right? What are we tell the media what kind of expectations should we set for our fan base? This is this is bad. Interesting to me because not only do I feel like the cardinals to put themselves in a situation where they're like, you know, what if we get clipped Kingsbury and Dr column early. This thing is going to be awesome. Because it's the air raid. Even though you don't need that kind of quarterback for the air raid system, we've seen patch Mahomes. Prove that to you got to coach hasn't won a lot of games in college football. He's going to have to lot games in professional football. The whole Steve Wilk side of this. So there's a lot of different factors here. Why people may be rooting for or against this thing. Failing or being successful outside. Arizona's, but the fact that you can't even get on the same page about day. One of this man's tenure as your quarterback of the future. I find striking. Am I am I wrong is this is feigning outrage? Or is here. There's a huge issue because I mean, Doug, forget the media for the fans. What do you tell the other players and coaches on the team, you know, what I'm saying? It's not like Kingsbury has some long track record of success in the NFL ak-. None that he's banking on that leads you to believe that any of this should or shouldn't work based on what's happened before. So there's a couple of levels to this. The fact that they're not on the same page is one thing. But we're everything was leading up to the drafts off the rip was a major issue. That's where I think the fans have to come into play here. Because what were you doing you own the clock the whole time? You just start fielding calls for Josh Rosen until right before the draft. If I'm Carla Marie I'm thinking for real y'all y'all couldn't find a way to make this coronation. At least a one man operation and gotten this dude out of town. So we could make this football team better something that needed to happen. Anyway, they've botched this from a player relation standpoint already. We already saw what happened with Patrick Peterson. Who was like I come in a mini kit, for whatever reason, you know, what I'm saying? It might have just turned in the bottle and a group like that. It's tom. He's I ain't going who's a veteran on that team. Arguably the best player on the team. It has been for a while. And you think in Yeomen y'all got to find a way to get your ducks in a row, forget the football. Just an organizational standpoint, you dumped one of the guys who was considered the smartest player in the quarterback in the draft for the sake of Kyle Murray who I love, and I think is going to work out. But here's why I think this is so awkward. Kyla Marie is pre and talent. But kinda Murray is also a really smart player. You've got to have a system in place that he can lock into insect seed with and if you don't even have your organizational structure on the same page enough to know what he's even doing. You're losing. Time quarterback is the worst coach position in the NFL. You don't have time to screw around with what your development process is get that together. And then he'll be good. You can't just throw him out there and say, well, we figured it out. Kids got talent. We'll see how it goes to the nam, and you need to be structurally sound, and they're not anything close to that. Right now. It's a Parison the fact that you can even dream of scenario where he's not going to get every rep with the starters is unconscionable to me. So that being the case and us giving cliff Kingsbury, maybe the benefit of the doubt. I'm not giving him the hall, but I'm saying he hadn't earned it. I say and earned it don't get me wrong on that has not earned it. But the fact that we may think that maybe he's saying things to lessen the load or less than the expectations of pressure is foolhardy to say the least. And that's why I come around. Because if you think that the pressure isn't already on the dude who is five foot nine five foot ten who drafted number one. Overall in a quarterback bereft draft. If you look at what the last two drafts have been. So you're saying now if you're Zona not only do we pay the price to get Josh Rosen. We drafted Josh Rosen. And then on top of it. We believe that column Murray is going to be better than Justin Herbert and all the other guys that are coming out in the draft next year because Amazon ain't gonna be no damn good this year either. And they wouldn't have been no damn good with column or they ain't gonna be. They wouldn't have been no damn good without Kyla. So there layers to the situation is chestnut checkers. If you're Steve kind you, you know, who's coming out next you when Justin Herbert says he's going back to Oregon that was the guy who's going to be the number one player overall. And now he's going back. You get another shot at him. You add maybe some more talent in the draft like things things are layered. And the fact that they did this. It means you have to be all in all column or yes. Calum Murray is crazy, right? What you're saying? Is they created the pressure? Why would you vote away from it? Now, it doesn't even make sense in terms of the order of operations. And that's what bothers me so much. This isn't just a difference of opinion. This isn't just some sort of communicative error in terms of one guy wanted to take a shot at something. And one guy didn't they were apparently on the same page about what they wanted to do regarding Cuyler, but they decided they wanted to make a big show out of the draft, which was completely unnecessary and probably ticked off Cuyler. And now there's a further division down the chain of command about who. He's going to beat them. What kind of operation running? What is that about? You can't have that. This is the NFL you've got to have things together. They were already sorry as you said if I'm a cardinal's fan. This is taken the air out of a number one pick in a way that I just haven't seen in a long time in the NFL. What are you going to be pumped about a quarterback competition with a guy after you already jettison the previous guy and have another kid coming in who some people have doubts about really started about? Training camp in Phoenix Nahmad. They've messed this up. Big time stash Travis who is the backup quarterback on the depth chart right now who who who who's the? That's why I didn't ask you starts because. Saja is almost almost Ron burgundy that joined Kurt Warner is about to have two weeks. Wait, no, no, tell us to it is for real. So I can know who cliff Kingsbury things might be challenging column Murray's confidence and might be showing him. The rope says an NFL quarterback max. Hey, don't play games stash people who might be listening in Chicago right now. Neil Lomax was one of my favorite quarterbacks as a kid because I got him in every single pack of cards, every pack. No matter if it was a Charles Russ, Charles white card or or a guy like Steve l'argent. I got a Neil Lomax in every pack of my upper net cards that I either purchase my own money or stole from toys. R us right there on Dempster in Evanston. Who is this player? I want to know. Yeah. We're still waiting who is the back of quarterback for the on. Does. He think cliff Kingsbury knows doesn't matter them. And then Hundley is there. What a name my God Anees that is where they're playing games with and terms of their quarterbacks confidence yet. It's gather walks into the room. Oh, yeah. Cliff? You can say whatever you want now. K k by now, there's also some guy who went to Princeton named Charles can off don't you ever dishes and Murray state for travek, drew Anderson. Right. So nobody it's more than this more news than we absolutely need about the depth chart of said, Arizona Cardinals that's much worse than I thought. Oh, man. He's Clinton Yates. I'm Jason golf. I'm ver- clumped right now. What's happening in Arizona? This is Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Celtics getting ready for a big game three tomorrow night with Trump it up next right here on ESPN radio happy. There's a span of fits right here on ESPN radio. Clinton Yates, Jason golf in for Sarah njso, Scott to the shell Pennzoil performance line and get the lowdown on what's happening in and around the Celtics organization, Chris for Forsberg covers the Celtics for NBC sports, Boston. And he's joining us. Now, Chris thank you so much for giving us some of your time this evening what's going on. How are you? Pretty good. Chris. I wanna get to this off the break. We saw some news headline about any age. Can you just give us an update on what that scenario is regarding his health and everything else? Yeah. So so Danny Ainge Celtic president of basketball operations, but in Milwaukee with the team on Tuesday night and before gain to even tip. The you had a second mild heart attack in the past ten years. And so from from. All accounts, she's doing better and he's up and moving around and they're hoping he's coming back to Boston soon. But certainly a quite a scare. Luckily, Danny was with some medical personnel at the time. They were able to get the attention you needed and they're optimistic that it's going to be a full recovery. But certainly, you know, listen, I can't speak enough about how revered Danny Ainge is by his players by everyone in that organization. And so you can feel it today is the players sort of found out for the first time the the coaching staff it kinda not hidden it from him. But didn't want him to get to be had that on their mind in game two and sorta knew that the news was coming out today. So they told the players, and you know, a lot of those guys have relationships with Danny? And there are hoping to to talk to him today. And hoping that again, he'll be back here in Boston soon and on the path to recovery Chris in a league where front office people very publicly. So don't want to you know. Have the responsibilities of the rigors of travel and scouting. And all those things when it comes to being a front office person, you said the second mild, heart attack, and that's alarming to me is they're going to have to be some reevaluation of not only his role. But if he wants to or if his family will allow him to continue doing this going forward. Yeah. So like Danny sixty years old and rarely has in recent years. The showed no signs of slowing down loves every aspect of this job. And you know, I think a little bit put in the spotlight with with Magic Johnson stepping down. And you know, just how much these general managers have to do in terms of scouting, and the long hours on film and traveling around the country and looking at all these guys and building the Ross or just endless, and you know, Dan loves that part of the job. But certainly you do wonder what what the medical staff would advise them and how they'll let him proceed it's hard for me to see him not being part of of this. And and I know how much he just enjoys. Being around this team. So I think they'll always be they'll be something therefore, but certainly I will be curious to see how it unfolds from here. Hopefully, again, you know, having been through this. I I don't know if that will what necessarily how that changes the medical outlook. But I guess I'm I'm hopeful here that he's able to continue on in his role as long as the medical staff and his family is on board with that, Chris let's get to what this team has done. So far, there's a couple of different sort of narratives that have gone on around Boston for a little bit in terms of this roster, which is obviously the country leadership one and just the general stack of talent that they have from amazement rotation standpoint. Where do you think this qual- is in terms of executing the best form of who they are from Brad Stevens standpoint? Because in the first series, they had balanced scoring that got more balanced as the series extended on against the Pacers. But I don't necessarily know whether that's the same way they've got to attack the books. What do you think in terms of what they're doing from a scheme standpoint? And how effective? Yeah. So even after the Pacers series. I think a lot of sat there and said, well is that the Celtics plan to their potential finally or did they run into a team that didn't have a star in Victoria. The depot was able to east on them a little bit particularly leading games when the Pacers didn't have that go to present. So I think a little bit of both was that play. I do think the playoffs have sort of solve a little bit of what AOL the Celtics in terms of you know, guys figuring out roles all of a sudden instead of worrying about your minutes and your shots. You're more focused on just trying to win games. And so naturally rotation sort of shake out a little bit easier and Brad Stevens can lean heavier on guys. I still don't think they've played a really complete game in these playoffs. And you see these little glimpses obviously game one against the bucks. They have some really encouraging stretches most on the defensive end bottling up on us, and you know, racing away with that game in the second half. But certainly some of their flaws were on displaying game to where you know, the offense go stagnant. And everyone tries to play hero ball, and and guys settled for jumpers and Kyrie. Doesn't have it going and Gordon's not the aggressive, and so they can look down in those instances. So I don't know if I know I don't have a real pulse yet on this series. Which one of these two games was the outlier or is there a middle ground. We're gonna find. So I think that's why gained three will be be really interesting to see. And you know, listen Kyrie's going to have motivation coming back out. But certainly what the Celtics have to do is in this series. They have the deeper team. And they've gotta figure out a way to harness that debt. Like, the bucks is good as they are. They don't have someone like Gordon Hayward coming off their bench. And so how does Boston make that a priority? How do they find a way to to use that to their advantage? How do they get Gordon to be aggressive in the instance, like we've seen chains of old, Gordon, we calling it and Utah Gordon up here? But they've got to figure out a way for to maximize his talents. If they're gonna find a way to win the series. Chris Forber Forsberg covers the Celtics like a blanket for him C sports Boston. He's joining us via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio Clinton Yates, and Jason golf in for, sir. And Jason Chris what the hell's going on right now. Jason tatum. The entire offseason the Kobe workouts all those things in the annointment after the Eastern Conference finals, I'm thinking that I'm about to see light skin toughness at his greatest. I'm talking about twenty. I'm Jay, oh my God. I'm taking ice Meg coming type of situations. And I'm getting nine shots. Eight shots. I'm getting deference I'm getting getting caught in the middle late shot clock possessions, where he's swinging it to Marcus Morris. What's going on with that kid? Yeah. So less than it's funny that he starts to struggle again. The the Kobe workouts keep coming back up. Great fascination where they're like whenever Jason Tam starts playing bad. It's Kobe's fall. And he's the easy like scape. Roll it back to the summer. And you know, it doesn't matter that was seven months ago. Whatever it was. It's like it's still Manny put some bad habits. Like, he maybe did, you know? But I think it was part on Tatum to where you remember back last year Tatum. Jalen, Brown, Kerry, rosier, they all go out and have this monster postseason. They leave the Celtics to the cusp of the NBA finals, and they come in this year and they're thinking all right. We're going to be superstars in this league. We're ready for our star turn. And all of a sudden, you get Gordon Hayward back and Kyrie Irving back. And it's like, well, we're my shots coming from like what is my role in this offense. And I think all the young guys had this trouble trying to figure out where they fit in the puzzle. I think especially Jalen Brown. He was probably more in the spotlight at the start of the necessary Tatum. So Tatum stretches where he sort of on offense it faults too long to point contested fate. Aways and he's good enough to make them. But not it's not a consistent of Sean. I think what's all they wanna see the aggressive Tatum. The guy who uses his length athletic ability to get to the rim. Do those smooth finishes the guy who was really whether if we keep going back with there or not? But like you don't on the broad in that game seven. And we all said there there was so I was gonna it was and and so I I do think harbor to is just expectations. We all sat there and said the same thing. All right. This kid's going to be a superstar next year. He's gonna be on he's going to that next level. And it just really hasn't had the the whether some of it is opportunity. But some of it is he just hasn't grasped. He doesn't have that killer instinct yet, and I think that's what the Celtics really wanna start to see that. That Jason Tatum of knows. He's good enough to be starring goes out there. And does it especially on the on the biggest stage and so the game one against the bucks? You actually even though he shot the ball poorly. He really embraced trying to lock down Chris Middleton made shots tough for him. You know, he understood that he's still had value. When a shot wasn't falling by. Using that length and really disrupt Middleton brought in game two the shots weren't falling. And he just sort of you know, soaked and kind of build over to the defensive and that was a lot of guys on the Celtics third quarter got out of hand so much. But I do think Jason Tatum has it in him. It just didn't come out this year. And the one thing Brad Stevens has repeated over and over is go back and look at all the stars in the league at twenty and what they were doing age twenty like even Kobe Bryant's age twenty season. He wasn't. He wasn't doing Kobe Bryant things yet. It's just that stuff comes in time. And we just expect it so quick because we got that glimpse. When McCain was nineteen. I think it will eventually be there. But certainly would help the Celtics they've seen in small bits and pieces this year, they need it more consistently though to sort of again be that best version of themselves in these playoffs. I don't have any questions. I just wanna say this quickly before we let you go Chris. So I went to the first game of winter game really the season where the Celtics lead the magic. They ended up losing his game. Let me tell you some Chris Berg is easily the best rest individual in the local. Or in a picture? How I was like, okay. There's this guy. And then there's everybody else looking like a dope in. So I just wanted to point that out or the national audience. We didn't know that about Chris. That's real. So the only competition it's Calabria. I mean, what are we saying? On that is absolutely true. Like, if you look around the Boston media, and I tell I tell my friends in this media group, I'm like someone's gotta step up 'cause I can't just win this by default. Right. Also, I got goofy ass hair. I talked a little funny, and I got these Lassus. And so I got a distract people with the good threads. And hopefully, it's working. You're you sound like a media guy. That's all it is Michigan. Mission. And it was up to my man jimmer if you ever run into a mind again, I forgot you guys to Atlanta. Very yes. My that's my be Well, Chris keep up the guy. Thank you guys. Take care. Chris Forsberg comes a Celtics fan BBC sports Boston and on the shell Pennzoil performance line. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Cars homes boats, motorcycles, RV's and more at Progresive dot com. Coming up next warriors owner Joe lake once this player to be a warrior forever might surprise you. We'll talk about it next on Spain and Fitz ESPN radio Spain and Fitz aren't here. So we're just holding up and they've palace hanging out. He's Clinton Yates Jason golf radio presented to you. Keep stepping on that, man. I apologize. That. Was it gets through I hoop in the harm is how I live my life understand that you think your boy care contact fend off a little foul. Little slight go. Hey, come across the key. I'll put it up with the left is easy. It's happening. He this is he is a dynamo. Ladies and gentlemen. He's Clinton Yates. I'm Jason golf or filling in for Sarah and Jason right here on ESPN radio, and I know the drill sex upfront to say, and what are you like, why are you? Why are you just me? I'm on it. On and we're going to put what we're trying to pull the curtain back a little bit. I'm a little upset because of my mic situation. I can't really yell. So I haven't really gotten turned up the last time. I was here was Sarah. I got a lot of hot hot yells off beauty today. I heard that show Clinton. And it was it was a representation of not only passion, but your fervor for this medium. But at the same time, it was it was a lot, you know, certain being yelled at by an abrasive young man like yourself. That's not my brother. No, I'm messing around though. But it's going to be either it's been gone toward the me. Like thanksgiving Turkey a few minutes ago. Did he really I don't if you don't if you don't know Clinton? I don't mess with stash stash is the most intimidating Brown bear, this of any zoo that I've been to I don't mess around. They're very very few producers who have been able to get in my ear and tell me to get back on track. And I listened to now just listen to but do it immediately. And this man is a good. I don't know how many maybe a thousand miles away and do not defend myself in this situation. The last time I was in Bristol. I went out of my way, go by stashes desk and say Hello is that notchers? Yes, absolutely. Gonna have to go off on that. I just want you to know, I'm human being even allowed in annoying. I look I it's my fault. I brought up a sore subject. Willing to all the Draymond green stuff. What did you bring up? You know, what you read it? You can read it to America since you brought it up. Here's what happened while you stepped away by the pot. No, basically, I was just telling because you know, we know he's how he's into the nationals. Yeah. Apparently, it's a sore subject to these days. Yeah. He likes you likes regular Hebrew enough. That tonight Stephen Strasburg reach fifteen hundred career strikeouts in the fewest innings ever break. It was like Herat came out. Let's go have a parade for the orchid. He finally got a record. It's when it's under fifty degrees. If it's lightly rating is probably not going to make the start either. He could probably have five hundred zero land Clinton's all do this. I was at Wrigley field where he took all of their bats. And stuck him. You know, where after after, you know, seven innings of flawless baseball in the postseason a couple years. My concern about Strasbourg is not even about him. It's been bad weather, by the fact that they never even gave him the chance when the team was good. And now all of these other things it's batters all of these other feel like you're trying to get back to a point where you said, well, we just shut him down when it really mattered. So Bryce Harper's twenty fifteen MVP is known void. But you're going back to when they shut them down after his first full season of major league matter to me because that was the best chance they had in the window. And it's not coming back anytime later know that I mean that's looking at it. Why you do it? Don't you take care of your assets? Mr. Yates, they can get fifteen hundred strikeouts in the fastest record ever. That's cool. They haven't been they haven't been bad because of him. They've been bad around him. By point is is that that's not a stat that NATs worth their salt is actually going to no no stats are going to please any nets fans because being a nets fan as akin to being a capitals fan before last year. All you're gotta do is enjoy yourself in the regular season. We'll get out about an uphill wants you call their by their proper name since it's still the case the Stanley Cup champion while I thought I thought she'd been like the eastern comedy the hockey guys in here riled up in a minute. That's five until somebody else raises that they still are Stanley Cup champs. If a hockey guy drafted in the studio, and no one's around to watch the sport. Does it make a sound? I mean, be honest with you like, let's be real about it. So this don't do that Clinton. Don't do that. Don't don't do that. Now. So we've got a few minutes left in whatever. This is right now, you major point you want me to get back on let me talk about Alex Ovechkin looking like a member of game of thrones. Which one do you want me to do? Let's talk basketball. All right. So warriors owner Joe Joe lak- via Marcus Thompson, the second of the athletic, by the way, I love the fact that Marcus Thompson is getting that money. Now, he's put the second on the end of his name. It's kind of like, LeRoy. Leroy, Butler is hilarious the king when the brothers get that money. That's the difference. So Joe lak- had this to say about Draymond green. That's the warrior that. I was alluding to in the restaurant quality teas that I gave you guys going to the commercial break. He said I want Draymond green to be here. Forever for ever said. He's as warrior as they come now, Mr. Yates, see wise, I'd like to call you if we ever get closer. He don't get put to the test and twenty twenty if I'm not mistaken, right? Because that's when during his free agency, and he's going to be up for two hundred and two million dollars over five years right to to. I don't know how many Swiss army knives you have. But I don't know any that cost two hundred and two million dollars. So this is this is one of those things where everybody wants to be a soldier until you got to go to war, cliff canes. Vary was talking crazy about Columbarian. I dislike them with. No more pick got the job. You gotta select them with the number one pick is this just one of those things that you could say as an owner with a fan base that is that is like VAT about basketball right now or do you have to pay tees off? You don't have to pay him at all. He's not worth that to any team other than the warrior. How how's it gonna warriors? Or your limit? Let me finish is. Because Draymond green is a perfect player that came along at a perfect time in a perfect situation and operated just slightly perfectly. Basically the whole time. I mean, I I don't think that that's some sort of about Draymond. I think he would understand. It's not just it's not a role player. He plays the most important role of a guy who doesn't score all the buckets. And so I think if you're going to sign him to I mean, you've got other dudes that are going to be around yet making him the kind of player that can do the things that he does with the warriors. You don't it wouldn't even make sense. And he's not so much of a star that he's gonna put butts in the seats. I mean, Draymond green is a soldier for those warriors teams that were arguably the best ever in some people's minds, and that is a plenty accomplished role. I I mean, I think it would be becoming of dream on not necessarily take a discount. That's not what I mean. But if they find a way to kept him keep him around people are going to like him. He is going to be a fan favorite. You know, he'll probably come back to the warriors in in a capacity non basketball related, even if he. Does leave because the type of do that. He is is the type of dude that are like a metro my plenty times. He's a chill, dude. He's had his you know, what I'm saying. He's had his ways about things off the core. But I think what he's saying here is I just like this dude off the court. I think that's what he's getting. He doesn't he doesn't like you probably wouldn't players that he's not really that concerned about from a structural standpoint. But his point is I want this to be my friend, which is ultimately, not that bad of a thing to say, if you know what I'm saying if you're an owner, I get it. Yeah. But being a warrior forever has certain you know, intimations that a wayward fan could pick up on and try to figure out. Hey, say that about Kevin Durant, even though Kevin Durant. Probably won't be there. When next year rolls around. I think it's his easiest way of saying he probably won't be the most popular or celebrated player of this era. But he was certainly the most valuable in some ways in terms of the connection to the face. I know that was a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure I agree with that. Killed you. Next segment. I was there. That's what he's getting. Now. I agree with. No, you said it. He's okay. Don't don't back away from announ throws Donen high Japan are still thinking about Strasbourg. Okay. That's fine. You can think about him. You could ask Mr. cares about that. Well, you should you ain't got nothing. They'll celebrate baseball disaster. She'll managers having all sorts of issues. It's your fault come out there and juries, Royal mess. I'll come out there. My finds phone posits. We can go celebrate stadium. He's Clinton Yates. I'm Jason golf. Thank you so much for listening coming up next, Freddie and Fitz Simons right here on ESPN radio say happy Thursday kiddos.

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April 20th: VIP Guest  Kevin Lytle

NoCo Now ? 1310 KFKA

17:20 min | 3 months ago

April 20th: VIP Guest Kevin Lytle

"Thirty six thanks for being with us go now presented by the jeanine agencies are accessories with a flair and hair. Poll question is up on our facebook. Page who is your favorite car athlete of all time and no they don't do born and raised in colorado to be your favorite colored sports player They just have to They just have to be want somebody who's played a long amount of time like mine is clearly john elway. There's no doubt about it but We're we're seeing Patrick wom was mentioned. Ryan bowen And then again i. I don't know who the nascar driver is from. Colorado kevin lionel up on the hotline right now with the fort collins colorado kevin. Do you have a favorite sports player. Colorado sports player of all time. That's a fun when i like that. I mean i think like most people my age you know elway has certainly worn. Terrell davis actually on the super bowl teams is probably my favorite. But probably if i had to pick just one. I'd probably go peter forsberg q. is Really like the guy that you know really. I guess kind of drew me to hockey really had me ball in love with it and obviously you know. Unfortunately injuries derailed a little bit way or what he did but man. He was such a joy to watch. If i had to pick one. i'd probably go forsberg all right. I like that. That's one that we have heard as well The that is out there. It's kind of you know the avalanche Do have a couple of big players that that are at the top of the ranks for a lot of people. Even though you know hockey can sometimes get overlooked. It's kinda crazy. The impact that the avs of had. Yeah i mean it's huge especially for people you know kinda in my age range because you know we were fairly young when the avs came in obviously one huge and we're just so dominant. Yeah it changed the face of of really use sports in colorado. I mean you look at the junior eagles down the road from both of us you know. That's a direct product of the avs You know all these youth organizations that have popped up in hockey so huge. We produce a lot great talent now. So it's It's pretty cool to see like a direct tie in to franchise like that. Yeah there's there's no doubt. Kevin idol of fort collins colorado and kevin. We had a crazy story yesterday and we were going a little bit back and forth on this. I've actually still got a another email here here from somebody that was involved in this that we're going to recap the situation but really what it comes down to is that we had parents no matter. What the circumstances is we had a parent. That completely overreacted and And punch somebody in the face. We were having this conversation yesterday over the phone. These high school athletics. I mean the. I don't wanna passionate. It's not the right word. Because you're gonna be passionate hub. Some people just take it too far. Yeah absolutely i. I'm really glad you guys had An opportunity talk about this. It's too yeah. Sorry from us is publishing story. Basically right now about what happened. Yeah you nailed it right. They're passionate that carries a good connotation. It's fine. I love your team of your kid was love everything that's going on for them and be rooting hard for them. But unfortunately more and more. We're just seeing crazy things. I think the worst thing for me yesterday when you're in brady or text me tuned into your show and the worst thing for me is i was listening. I wasn't really shocked. I mean obviously it's shocking that the act itself but you if you tell me you sport you know got completely out of control because the Some adult i'd say that sounds right. I mean the amount of things you see here when you're at these games as isreaeli disturbing you know frankly i don't care who offend right now. If you ever feel the need to scream at a referee scream at your child. Scream at a especially kids. That are not your own you. You're doing it wrong. You're you're embarrassing yourself. More than anyone and and it's just such a shame that it's like i say it's so commonplace down. I am sure you feel the same way. You probably weren't that shocked And unfortunately not. And that's the thing that you know when we talk about these stories there's always two sides to the story right and we. There's a video out there. I've watched the video which the the videography would've gotten his finger out of the way a little bit there. You got you covered. I when when actually kinda started but There's always two sides the story but no matter what happened leading up to that. There is no excuse for things. Turn physical. I've seen people yell at you know you can. There's a big difference between a verbal altercation and then knocking a girl to the floor. Where she she didn't stand up and had a real bad bloody nose from so the effort to get to that point. I don't care what led up to it that is insane and and quite frankly inexcusable. Yeah exactly i mean. I can't really think of a situation. Where physical attack could possibly be worn. Kid i guess the only way is if you're defending different physical italian hockey so that yeah that obviously means it starting some so yeah it's It's contrived you sports you're you. You should be playing for the entertainment help of your kid you know. How conversations have we seen people yelling screaming dirty cova to all. The kids need to play for their mental health. Okay i agree. Where does screaming and causing a ruckus fall into their mental health day. You were so concerned about earlier. You know that that's not good for them. Involved with the kids to be looking at the sideline and and seen parents or whoever it may be You know kind of looking like pool. So it's it's People are just sight man. I don't know what we can do. Such a big issue But it's you know you sports ever gotten worse if i'm going to track here but if i can this little nugget in During the wintertime when a lot of the high school sports You couldn't have fans at least your work on so there were fans. I talked to several coaches about it and They said you know it's it's great kevin. They said i would never say this. Publicly but It's nice to just be able to play the kids. Don't have to look into the stands and worry about mom or dad screaming at them or worry about you. Know getting screamed out on the ride home because they didn't do this or that. I've like oh my gosh. That's you know. That's one of the saddest things. I've ever heard that that kids are happy that their parents aren't at the games that that just kind of showed me it really Gonna remember that one for a long time. Because i think it kind of struck me up how bad it is and some areas right now and and that's terrible that is absolutely terrible But you know i'll play. I'll play devil's advocate here. There's a lie you know. I wouldn't have wanted to play sports. If i didn't get a chance for my parents to come and watch and now i was enough to have a supportive set of parents and family members that yeah they wanted to win but it never crossed a line right And there's a lot of. There's a lot of towns That in cities that that have a sports problem This is the only thing was the only thing that they had going. I guess and they take it too far with that. Being said there are a lot of Moronic parents out there. But kevin we've also seen that support and the love From a lot of parents that truly do just want the best for their kids. Yeah that's absolutely true. And and of course this is another one of those where the majority are still It is getting worse and worse with more bad ones than than there had been. I think in the past but still a minority of course as always. They're very very loud about it. And so that's the bummer. Because that can skew things but yeah you're right. The passion is what we love. I mean how cool is that when you get a small town whatever. Pick your favorite small town and their team. Yeah that's you know. No one expects to be good. They make a run to the state championship or or their clubs in as an awesome season. Or whatever and everyone rallies behind them. That's the awesome side. It's like how do we we. We need to find a way to keep a line of like. Yeah that passion that excitement but if things are going poorly for your team or whatever don't lose your mind and it's hard to do. I mean we. We've all been over passionate about sports. I'm not gonna lie and say here. I was an angel is playing. I certainly lost my mind at times. but but yeah. I mean we. We need parents to be sending example like you say a lot of our are are doing a great job. I we need to in some ways. I guess maybe we need to amplify them more Than some of these. These bad ones Make that seem like the standard that everyone is following talking with kevin lionel the colorado in rio dressing these situation that happened over at power to play sports over the weekend And kevin let me let me pose this question to you. Because i this is one that came up a little bit but do you feel like this happens more often than not in the club scene than it is in the high school athletics and is that a conditioning of we're putting too much pressure on some of the youth to go be the next. You know steph courier or nicole. Yokich chur patrick. Mahomes more from the club side then. The school ball. Yeah you know i was. I was thinking about that yesterday after listening To your shows and and i'm not sure because i'm not around club ball ton to be completely honest. Obviously my job is more around the highschool sites. I see that more Certainly talking to coach especially college coaches. I keep hearing horror stories about club all I i. I have some strong feelings about club on like you say the i guess the chasing the golden ticket so speak. Everyone thinks they're getting a scholarship. Or you know. Parents think their kids gonna be the one. That's getting scholarship. Whatever when the vast majority of kids even the ones that do you get money to go play college sports. It's usually a small amount. It's a book scholarship or something which obviously is great. Doesn't hurt at all but i do think there's a little bit of a war since but in high school too. I mean i was at a soccer game here in fort collins a week or so ago and you had parents just screaming at a kid directly on the other team calling them by name and not not like anchorage in encouraging way You know Quit whining you know. shut up. Just play the game stuff like that. Like you shouldn't be talking to someone else could give out really care what the situation is again. I and be the bigger person. 'cause you are all did So i think you see it on both sides you know obvious that block crossing over you have kids that are playing both So so yeah. I mean i think it varies sports. Sports area the area you know to high school at I'm not sure there's one hundred percent hard line of where it is but Again it's it's to me. It's more prevalent. i wish it was. that's for sure. There's there's no doubt. And i mean hell i my school i. We experienced the same thing. I've always said we were drinking town with a football problem where there is some of the things that i heard yelled even at me. I mean there is. I and i'm like look guys are no played bad like i don't need you to yell at me but it's just remarkable the amount of times that you see parents that you know they want the best. They wanna win. They want this. And i get that but there's a way to go about it. Yeah i mean i Again i i can't count the number of times to see and maybe i'm in the minority here but every time i see a parent jelly at a kit. That is not. There's i mean. I you know it's not my decision. I guess to to tell you how apparent your own we're yelling at other people's kids makes me cringe hard again school sports. I don't care if it's you know. Five eight valor christian football or you know one as strasbourg cross country You know it doesn't matter to me. You should not In my mind you should never ever be yelling at someone else's kid again at high school sports You know it's not pro. You know. I think we should be on the things that yell at pros either. Sign up for that the job in a way. It's not in high school. You don't go out for the teams you know wondering if your neighbor is gonna come scream at you during the game. Yeah no with kevin lionel Talking about the culture of high school athletics and youth sports and Yeah you know. I mean i think you nailed it to talk about professional players. They get paid a whole lot of money to endure a little bit of that stuff. And they're also grown men and women right We're talking about high school athletes and you look at high school. It's tough enough to figure out everything that's going on without. That added pressure so kevin. Let me ask you the the billion dollar question. How do we fix it man. If i knew that i would be writing books then i was teaching clinics. I would be making boatload of money Traveling the country in the world. You know spreading the word of kevin. Unfortunately that doesn't exist. I mean i don't know. I think it's one of those things. There's no one answer. It's a million things Some of it is yeah just the culture of of success. Do you know how much you know. And i'll put responsibility on myself. I mean obviously we write more about winners than losers not harshly truthfully because that has more Interest for people. But that's probably part of is you know the You know when when everything's kind of around winning that leads to More pressure i guess. And and that's that's a whole thing. Everyone wants to win this guy where you're playing sports but You know that's the thing. And and i would just love to see especially high schools that do have some power I would love to see no tolerance policies of you're coming you know if you're coming into our gyms stadium marina whatever. It is You ca- cheer for our team. I know that they all say yeah they all say the spiel cheer for your team not out but no one ever does anything about it. You start taking some people out i. They'll be really furious. They'll throw giant fit but if everyone is doing it then all of a sudden spread and you would need everyone. You've pre- pretty much. You know talk in colorado on board actually doing it and that's not gonna happen Unfortunately but man that would that would change things fast or you could do a strike policy. We're seeing more schools. Implement that. I know there's there's certain schools around the area that are starting to implement that strike policy that Once you kind of get on a list somewhere a couple more year out of and they're really there's no there's no there's no room for and it's inexcusable. I don't care you're an adult. You're watching your kids. Just get over it. I mean and if you've got an issue bring it up and do it the right way And if worse comes to worse right kevin just take it of the parking lot. That's what you do right. Kevin little to kevin say that one more time you cut up you cut out there for. Yeah and we've seen that one too. I mean there. There's no into what can happen right. There's not but that's how you handle your business right as you take it to. The parking lot can get my car and go home fort collins colorado and kevin. What are you working on. It feels weird to say with you know like six inches of snow on the ground high school soccer playoffs boy soccer playoffs star as early as tomorrow potentially although i think those schools will probably play thursday because of the snow. So that's come in Volleyball is in the postseason Fort collins folks actually read the unfortunately there Game against boulder got shut down because the kobe last week. fingers crossed. They can play this week. This is supposed to be a last week of the regular season so that and then Going to be doing story. Warren jackson heading into the nfl draft. You know we'll over week from now kinda great back story really. Have a talk at the heartstrings type of family Sorry sal thank kevin. You're cutting out a little bit by man we will We appreciate it going. Visit all kevin stuff at the colorado in as well online check it out there and Co we appreciate kevin idle time with the collar on Ken ken. if you're you're still listening. I'm going to respond. I've been getting emails. Man all respond on the other side noko now presented by the jeanine agencies northern carlos voice thirteen ten k of k.

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404: Should the Celtics Sign IT to Fix End of Bench Woes w/ Chris Forsberg

Celtics Beat

53:43 min | 3 months ago

404: Should the Celtics Sign IT to Fix End of Bench Woes w/ Chris Forsberg

"Today is Friday April 16th. And this is Celtics beat on the clns media Network the leading online provider of audio video coverage of the Boston Celtics. I'm Adam Kaufman episode 404 features. NBC Sports. Boston is Chris forsberg is powered by betonline.ag go to bed online. AG today and use the promo code clns 54 fifty percent sign up bonus Thursday's welcome on another new addition to selfish big wage got you know, just a great crew here with us. I I don't know what more you could ask for in the heels of asteroids sweep on the west coast other than a few guys who are just probably look hung over but in reality just exhausted from all these late nights. I'm Adam Kaufman and Valenti, you know him well our producer an occasional host and of course as we like to joke around with him here the Overexposed Chris forsberg from NBC Sports Boston great to have a game. Body, what's going on? Adam and Evan, it's good to see y'all good to see you. I know you know, we've got you on the heels of recording your podcast. So by all means people check that out obviously too selfish talk about over at NBC Sports Boston. It's okay. We're confident enough in ourselves over here to be able to promote pods that are not within our specific family of clns podcasts. You know, we're so dead so many good Celtics podcast. I gotta get angry, you know, like go find it happens got a new podcast. Like if you got a podcast come come promote it is there a certain point in time and I'm not even specifically talking about the Celtics now just Tom the world are there too many podcasts. Like does it become a thing where like it I remember way back when you know, if we want to go to this is showing our age, but we all remember go back to like the.com boom, right and when Bill Simmons really became sort of the the voice of the internet for the sports fan with with espn.com and page two before that page. Long before like Grantland in the ringer and all that. It was like man, how how do I have a Blog and then suddenly it became anybody can have a blog like it's it's easier that it's almost easier to create a blog than it is to do anything else in the world. And now we've sort of hit that that place with podcast to there was a certain exclusivity about it at the beginning and now it's like you can just you know, cool. I got a phone call. I guess. I got a podcast one got to excuse me go Touch Me podcast ideas the last week and I just need your help, but I'm like, all right, you have no experience in journalism broadcasting. So ever since it's going to go really well. It's I mean look at Tick-Tock like you never know to have an audience. You don't need necessarily need to have talent, but you know what, I'll tell you I'll tell you a quick story is but probably one of my final few years at ESPN. They they were kind of changing over the podcast. They came to me and said, you know, we want to get you on honest. I don't even know we were calling him at that point hoop Collective Hoops that group bath With friends like it was going through some iterations and I sat there. I was like Papa casting went out with button shoes. There's no way this is going to take you know, this there's this is this is old and over and off and then here I am and when we start when I when I dived in with with NBC Sports Boston, I was like Wow podcasting is just sort of getting going and I was like man, I wrote it off to quick. I wish I had I had a I had a couple of thousand Airline rants on that ESPN podcast. I probably should have if I should have shown that I knew something about basketball instead of a ranting about to travel the travel difficulties, but now I can't imagine you know, and it's funny you say that is if you could cast and then I thought about it. I was like, you know, there's still probably one morning on every week I go to walk my dog and I reload my podcast apps and I'm like, ah got nothing to listen to everything is old and outdated, you know, like there's like we all get along great. We should all pick a day. Yeah. I know like like you guys got Sunday, I'll take Monday Jay King and then that career can take Tuesday. Well can't win no time guys on Wednesday Thursday. Yeah, the idea and John and perk and marks new podcast on Thursday. Yeah and make makes all the sense in the I remember saying that to to our bosses here at clns because it's dead but I'm not telling anyone anything. You don't know like there. There are more than enough Celtics podcast just within clns let alone every everywhere else like yours and and so on, you know, why don't we all just pick a day and and just distribute that way because when when you've got so many pots coming out in the same day morning afternoon evening. It's like, I mean there there is such a thing as like where you would joke about exposure, but they're absolutely is like podcast overexposure. It's like Dwight. Do I need 3 new Celtics pods to come out on the same day from either the same company or it just becomes it becomes a popularity contest to become that will pick your favorite, you know voices in in the industry. And and that's the one you're going to listen to the best part though is when they're winning people will listen to anything. So let's ride that with God season all about Cong Off season begun, you know, Dad needs and drop Susan numbers are outrageous. So crazy every year. They're ridiculous. I remember when I was first starting with C L & S and we would put out these Roundtable videos now make this very quick. We'd get like twenty Thirty forty fifty thousand views and I was like, there is literally no basketball happening right now and it is all speculation and it's just hilarious again. That's when I can't believe but that's when you see some of your best numbers is one of the options and then you just talk about trades and and team-building. It's really it's so much fun or if you put Isaiah Thomas in the headline of this. So this thing like it's going to get it's going to be do gangbusters. I'm going to put Isaiah Thomas that it with Chris forsberg the number tweets that I got about Isaiah Thomas Just Between the end of last night's game to where we are this morning and we can touch on that like it's killing me even it's it's not even just tweets text at this point. The only other thing I was going to ask you about podcast because again, like you just recorded yours now you're on this one, you know, you live radio interview age. You're comfortable sitting in all the different seats. Do you prefer to be in the lead chair hosting? Do you do you prefer to be you know on the receiving end of questions as opposed to guiding the conversation? I enjoy are you at home? I enjoy both I think you know, especially as I've I've tried to take a little bit more ownership of Celtics Hawk. It's probably little bit protective of it in terms of like I want to be sort of steering the conversation but it's almost worth I got to do play-by-play the other night. He so used to being the analysts that he would talk up the play be like, you know, James Taylor goes to the bucket and then he want to explain why he got to the bucket and yet she had the police him and I feel the same way. It's like I'll set up the question and then I want to answer the question. So I I start talking so I sometimes I think I try to find that balance. But yeah, I try to be the I'm trying to think of a good girl. She's like the Celtics most Swiss army knife of player, you know, Marcus Smart given the game what it needs like I probably have a really good role that I should stick to but sometimes I just want to Jack 3, so, you know dog We ride it. Well, let's let's go right there kind of with this because I'm going to ask you a question that I have been asked a lot in in recent interviews that I have done and with the success of the team right now wins and five straight voting themselves from a fringe playoff team to now in a tie with the Hawks for the fourth seed playing really at the level that that we have long expected them to we've said all along this. This is the tone no ability that they have they've just played so far beneath their level, but with the five in a row wins seven out of nine are they fixed? What what is their ceiling? Where do you see this team? If you're evaluating them right now, so I always hesitate cuz I do ride the emotional rollercoaster. Like you'll see me they're begging my head against the postgame live desk when they lose a bad game in the fourth quarter and then you know, I've gotten I've grown from it's like really cautiously optimistic after the initial winds here like okay the Knicks and that they do anything for me the Timberwolves game. Looks like okay great didn't hear about a great game. But we're talking about the Timberwolves here last place in the NBA. And so I was a little cautious but they go on the road do what they did against Denver now Denver was due for a letdown and clean up the white flag in the fourth quarter there but even going up to Portland who I thought played really well. They had to hose down Villard a little bit Marcus Marco went in there and shut him down a little bit and then even last night, you know again, like there's no way they should have even lost that 27-point lead. But you know, look go three-and-out on a road trip where you go out west the selfless haven't done that in past years and so some encouraging strides here. I think I'm seeing what the potential is when they're healthy and how defined roles and guys understanding what they're supposed to do. Like I think the biggest story line right now even as good as Jalen and Jason have been to me like woke up this morning. I'm like what I want to write about. I really want to write about how good Kemba has been an adjusting to his role like his assist hold her up. His usage rate is down. He took a corner 3 last night, which he never does wage. Be like he's weather is the coaching staff talking to him or just Kemba recognizing like this is how I can best help this team and all of a sudden like there's not 50 people in my Twitter mention saying trade off a walker this offseason. And so, you know, look they need everybody to do that. They need everybody to stay healthy. They need jail and Jason to continue to be great. But I am a little bit more bullish that if they do all that if Robert Williams gets back to full that this team at least has a puncher's chance against anybody and especially in the higher they climb in the seatings. I feel a little bit more comfortable based on you know, what the potential matchups could be. If I'm putting it in the simplest terms. You can tell me if you walk in heaven. Certainly, you know, let me know how you feel about this is this is how I've been answering the question in its shortest form is that the Celtics are still not a contender. Let's not fool ourselves into believing they are a championship Contender off. If everything breaks, right if they stay healthy if they play at their level if they do what they're doing Evan Fournier comes back and provides them what they expect from him and what we've seen glimpses of so far. They are a team that could make the Conference Finals more than life. Phle they bow out in the second round if they revert back to what they were doing their team that goes out in the first maybe even losses in the play in tournament. That is the Spectrum for this team. But to me, they are they're kind of it's funny cuz we had Grandy on last week in Grandy was saying how you know people don't really realize this in part because the bubble what was happening in the world and maybe depending on how close he look at it but like that team in the playoffs last year and in the bubble in general played probably it was probably the third-best Performing team in the last twenty years of Celtics basketball, which is it's just mind-boggling to think about and that was a team that I felt going into the bubble. Anyway, you know just during that season was similar in that it's they're probably going to bow out in the second round, but there's a ceiling there and I think that came to fruition ultimately, you know, they served could have gotten past Miami they didn't and you know, now people were Vision as history look at that as is losing to a, you know, losing a match up that you you should have one and losing to a port it like know Miami was a good team and Ed. Injuries played into it and it wasn't good and and they looked bad because of the injuries, they sustained against the Lakers and so it changes people's perspective. But that's how I view this team right now in terms of its overall Outlook is you know, the regular season wraps up pretty soon and I think that's fair like and defer to you here. But like I agree like they could just as easily the wheels could come off they could lose one player. Like I think their depth is a little bit tenuous. Like I don't I'm not say like the guys that were in at the end of like I do think we're going to see Carson Edwards and Luke Cornett playing big minutes in the play-offs. But you know, obviously, you know, it's fair to say if with Evan Fournier all of a sudden go to lean a little bit heavier on Grant Williams and Chevy ojeleye, and they had good moments in their stress, especially Grant but the depth is sort of thin and so if you do lose one body during this if the week whereas we met Robert Williams goes out office on that depth chart at the center position is really is really thin so it could come down to health but it's a weird season and the Celtics have gone through it more than anybody to this point suck. Can't just sit here and say that, you know, maybe the the balance of bad luck doesn't tip in the playoffs a little bit and it was almost weird to see like a D & LeBron out last night. I was like, when was the last time the cellphone had their opponent had more people out than the Celtics did in on a given night. So yeah, it's it's complete wildcard, but the spectrum is just like you said, you know, is there as early as a disappointed get around Exit but I think it's more likely they get to that second round and we'll see what Celtics team shows up. Yeah, I you know, we've been a little encouraged here over the past, you know, we'll call it since April sir. I think the C's are like what page in one in their last nine over the past fifteen. They've been really great Kirk Goldsberry does a great job started. These things has the Celtics in the quadrant of wow currently in the last fifteen their fifth or sixth and offensive ratings 7th and defensive rating in their fourth and overall net rating and that kind of you know is a bunch of things happening. They've they've played some easier teams. As Chris has said the t-wolves the Knicks although wage. You know, they were tough and and I like the fact that Boston to kind of crawled her way back in both games to to win both of those. So those that helps me go onto the road against Denver. I don't care like they didn't have small Marie when you get down that big a big deal to me beating Portland was great. And you know, if they if they if they don't turn the ball over 15 times in the first half and benches and blow that game in La last night's blowout. So but they're playing much better defense or defensive rating of the past nine or ten games. I think is down from 1:13 to 1:06, which is their best number. I think of the season I think by a mile at least like it this team look, I will I will be slightly more optimistic. I think this team's entire season has been about they haven't had their entire roster together, whatever and it's April, you know, Rob Williams has finally emerged as a starting center. They got Tristan Thompson back Campbell looks great. And Danny said the other day they're going to be a little bit more comfortable with it. They don't want to do a job. Right now but they would be comfortable if they needed to delet Kemba play in back-to-backs smarts back and doing smart things. You know, you have Tatum taking inhaler before game. So it's covid-19 affect the net well and they're at the manage Jason are Jalen's needed a night of the rest of the way for me is coming back to look in Romeo is alive. So we have all that going on right now became finally has its rotation healthy. We don't know what it looks like yet, but it's healthy and the numbers suggest as this team has gotten healthier. They've been able to string some wins together and string some good play together. The one thing I look for jobs. I don't the offensive stuff, you know comes and goes but that defense of number is something I really take a lot of stock into cuz this team defensively has been an incomplete, you know outlier in terms of what we stand Brad Stevens teams over the entire tenure of grad students write this seemed it's always been able to do defensive work against anybody that wage. The numbers this entire season have been absolute trash until again the past nine games so I can take a little stock into the seams performing really. Well, you know the competition yeah comes of going to see but they're playing with confidence. You can see the energy as much better but the defensive side of the form very encouraged by do you have like Luke kornet as an example, and I know he might not play a ton of the playoffs I think is a useful guy to have at the end of the bench. I'm surprised. He's more helpful than Mo Wagner right now, but they have long shot. Right, but they have four guys right now that can all you know do things in terms of you know, switch all that stuff again. Could I had four blocks three blocks last night? That's impressive. Rob Williams do does Rob Williams things. I just like the fact that they're playing with a little bit more cohesion than they have in the past. But the offense, you know, Tatum 53 other night Brown 17 and 24 forty. I mean that's good stuff and to get back to something that forsberg, you know kind of LED with, you know, kind of for me comes back to Kim. Walker I think Campbell determines how high the ceiling is I think this team wants to be the four seed, you know, get a young Atlanta team the first round and then if you're Philly, I mean they want a new truck don't want to see it steamed its kicked your ass the past couple of years and then if you could somehow get by Philly you have a Nets team that we have no idea what's going to look like despite their historic run. So I'm a little optimistic how they're going to title. I'm feeling way better today than it about 2 months ago. I'll tell you that right now having coming in hot. All right. So here's the podcast title Valente colon Celtics and find jobs, Maybe should sign Isaiah Thomas marketing right there. Yeah. Can you content there Chris? Forsberg got me out where it is SEO. Yeah, I mean it's well, let's take I want to dive more into some of this stuff. Let's take a quick break to say bet online our sponsor fastest and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action football might be over. Obviously NBA NHL MLB All in full swing NBA title odds, you got those Nets Evan was talking about + 225 LED, of course by Kyrie hardening KD be very sensitive Kevin Durant plus 2:20 a.m. To win a championship the Lakers who lost without LeBron and Davis + 325 to repeat as Champs the Clippers of plus five seventy-five to jads at plus 750. 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Don't sit on the sidelines anymore. Get in on the action. Don't forget to use that prop, you know, our promo code clns 50 to receive a 50% Welcome bonus with your first deposit again, a promo code is CLS550 BetOnline your online Sportsbook experts Chris. I want to talk about something that well a lot of people have been talking about which is led to all of the Dead. Non-stop, Isaiah Thomas tweets that have been out there and I I for I've resisted to get into any sort of Twitter discussion with people who have sent me this because I just I I don't want to you know, people love i t so much the story the person they they want we all want so deeply for him to even remotely resemble his own self somewhere in the NBA doesn't have to be Boston doesn't have to be 30 points a game doesn't have to be MVP conversation. Come back be productive and stick on a contract Beyond ten days. That's what we want for it. Get your money. Show me back, you know, like you were a hell of a story to begin with now be a hell of a comeback story. That's rural routing form. Good dude, despite the fact he blocked me on Twitter. Well putting all of that aside. I feel like people should recognize that he's not what he wants was at all now, I had friends texting me last night saying fine. He's not what he wants was he's still better than probably four people on the Celtics bench right now off. You you could you could justify like put them out there over trademark Waters put them out there over carsen Edwards put them out there over I mean different positionally but Mo Wagner like there you you could justify him being out there and may be giving you some of that offensive spark because the fact of the matter is this bench is bad and I want to read something that your colleague Kendrick Perkins said on post game live last night, which is just hit the nail on the head, you know, saying of the the fourth quarter bench unit that again nearly gave away an entire 27-point lead with what eight nine minutes left against the Lakers bench. Okay, like LeBron wasn't out there. He wasn't out there you're basically playing the Lakers reserves collectively with your own reserves Burke says when you come into the game, you're still fighting for your livelihood. We're talking about guys who are still sketchy contracts when you're on a rookie contract every minute is valuable. Every possession is valuable. You don't know who's watching. It's not just Brad stevens or Danny Ainge in the Celtics organization, but they have other Scouts from other teams that wage Not only watching Scout the Celtics and send in a report sheet, but they are watching to see other Talent who's coming up for free agency so they can keep their eye on them in case the Celtics don't want them anymore. So you're always auditioning for a job in the South especially when you're a third string type player. So I I read that I heard it and I had to immediate simultaneously simultaneous reactions, which is one know crap. Like I mean, like nothing that perks said there is is intuitive in the sense that like everything like that should be common sense. That should be common sense to all of us, but the flip side is well clearly someone needs to say it because the players aren't out there playing like they recognize that, you know took perk to call out Tatum to get him, you know in the right headspace maybe needs to call out the collective lunch to get everything to figure out for the Celtics their reserves as well. I just I don't understand and yes Talent matters and they are Talent thin when you know, you take out the starter wage. When you're looking specifically the reserves, but they're not as bad as what we saw last night. And this isn't the first time I thought I can't remember which game it was but there was another instance where the Celtics emptied the bench and almost had to go back to the starters and you're thinking like a nice enough nice where they can get Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown some extended rest and they have to have them real Ace up. Their high tops twice now is an ideal now on one hand. I don't think there will be any point during the post office that you will need to lean on carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters and all the group that was out there on the other hand. I'm disappointed that guys like Aaron Nesmith who should be chomping at the bit in those instances can't go in there and instead of you like all they really needed was one bucket there and it felt life and just couldn't do it and even worse they were just throwing it all over the place and making bad decisions and you know that happens and I get it like trash time is weird and yet you know, I hear scale say it all the time, you know, when that's all you've got. That's when you should be just so hell-bent on putting your best foot forward. So, you know, as you said the the natural birth Connection is okay. Well should the Celtic overhaul the end of their bench and I just don't they're not in a position. They don't have the money. You know, they had to do some serious juggling just to get below the luxury-tax to avoid that this month after and having to send out Daniel Torres at the trade deadline to make that happen. I don't think you're in a position where you need to start overhauling the back end of the bench. The reward isn't great enough, you know, maybe something they should not be considered a little bit more at the start of there and I think they did, you know, just the jet ski experiment didn't work out. You know, Nesmith hasn't gotten a chance to consistently develop and his confidence is probably a little shot. And so it's just what it is. But when you have a healthy Evan Fournier, if you have a healthy Robert Williams, you know, I feel a lot better about the ability for Reserve groups to sustain and I don't think that game even gets close if either of those guys is available last night, so I don't want to overreact to it now just to touch on the Isaiah Thomas thing. No one loves the little guy as much as me. I actually had a dog First got that 10 day with New Orleans a couple of weeks ago. I said I was legitimately jealous of the Pelicans because the Celtic were so bad at that point. It had such poor energy and enthusiasm that I was like Isaiah Thomas. That's exactly what they need right their wrongs and give them a Joel five games later. I don't quite feel that way and you know, it feels good that they've sort of organically figured out how to do it without needing that Benchmark. I think the other thing people forget is, you know, just as you said Adam it's it's not the same player and that kills me to say cuz it's not his fault, you know back hip and the Confluence of all that he's been through he needs to be on a team that can give him twenty minutes a night and let him find his old ways. Let him find his confidence, you know not maybe not as common as I don't think they ever lacked for confidence. But in order to get back to the player that he wants to be he needs a more of an opportunity than Boston could offer and you know, he probably doesn't need to be in a place where the expectation and I know people would say. Oh, it's no big deal doesn't have to be dead. All the it. I just I don't think that's true. I think you come in and there's this like, you know desire for him to be what he was and the to provide the spark that he did and just not at that spot right now. So you should be a great storybook. But right now he needs to find a team. He's probably out of it who can give him time and let him be who he is and try to get that next deal and I hope just like we we can Hammer home every time this conversation comes up. I hope you find it. Yeah, I agree with that thing with i t though it's remember with like how does he fit with this particular sub 16 Honda zc floor time. It's basically they've you know gone through all of the Avenues. They possibly could have a grim sort of spark. Okay, so I see let's see if you can you know carry us for a bit. I don't think he's capable of that really of doing that right now carrying a team, you know, trying to you know, make the Eastern Conference Finals. I just I don't I don't see I mean we all love Thomas remember, you know, the the for the fit was a 52 against Miami in that year was like one of the most breathtaking games I've seen anybody, you know play it was, you know back in the time when people could actually go in the back garden and make a lot of noise the the electricity that building was unbelievable. But again, what would it take for Isaiah Thomas to actually play for the Boston Celtics low Take Em Up being bad. It would take smart being bad wage would take Tatum and Brown having off nights plus forty having an off-night. So you're talking about like six things have to happen for Isaiah Thomas coming to the game to get them spark. So again, I love em to death we all hope that he finds some sort of SpongeBob. We can regain his footing and become the guy at least some of the guy that he was when he was here in Boston. I just again it's not the right fit for Boston just in terms of you know, when does he get playing time? They need the money factor and press it again. It doesn't make a lot of sense again. I would love for it to be him. But again, he's just not going to get any playing time when when the game's really matter. I mean again, they already have one small point guard. Thanks again tries his ass off defense fleeing Kemba Walker, but as a defensive liability remember the the days when Isaiah was playing the playoffs the Celtics they had a basic run his own and keep Isaiah on the wing to make him not an offensive ability from those Bulls Series where it was like in vs Rondo and Rondo just pick apart the zone and it would be a disaster for the Celtics. It doesn't help you again. I love death. Hope you find somewhere but I'm just not worth you remember it's was it out Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross. I think with the the ABCs of sales, you know always be closing. Here's what I found dead. Variances is a Celtics fan. Now. The ABCs are being deceased and is always blamed coaching and you and you got that again. You got that once again all over Twitter last night with the Celtics nearly giving away that long and it's Brad Stevens sucks fire. Brad gotta get rid of it. But no the bench gave up or almost gave up a 27-point lead not Brad Brad wasn't out. They're not able to score a basket of bread didn't build this team. You know, you put that on Danny before you put that on Brad as the architect of of this roster and you know, but then the quick reaction as well. Someone had to subah men you down with nine minutes left is someone had to let it get that close you put before you put the starters back in and it's just that's what the conversation is non-stop you guys all here at the same way that I do at what point in time. He's just except there are there's just there's a segment of fans that that maybe it's a a vocal minority. That's what I believe it is, but there's a segment of fans that just wants Brad God at all Kos. Like it's time for a change Brad needs to go in under the others that there's there's another probably another vocal minority that Brad can do no wrong and like none of this is on Brad and what are you people talking about? And who do you want to hire? And then there's the middle ground. There's the middle ground that acknowledges. You know, what like Brad is responsible for some of the crap that happens, but you still probably aren't going to find a better coach for this team right now boss and and and that's just I the deviation from one to the other to the other on a daily basis. It's it's agonizing really is what I'm saying Chris. It's what it's Celtics it off station as a whole like and I don't want to I don't want to Loop all the the rationale fans here, but we do ride the roller coaster and you know, it's it's easy when you need someone to blame. It's he's an easy target the coach always sort of get out of that black. You know, I think it's telling that whenever we've had the the Brad conversation getting a just come out and been like hey, he's the least of our problems and you know, look abroad be better in some instances sure, but man wage The bench for the 27-point lead really really not like something on a sit here and obsess about at night. So, you know until the next gigantic College job opening comes along and someone can shoehorn them in their home, you know had no connection to North Carolina. We spent two days talking about like, what do you go Costa Tarheel? Don't think what are we doing? What are we doing here? Final Duke opens up. Well, okay then then that might actually be maybe maybe maybe Tatum can steer him staring back here. Like do you want to put your Duke guy Cocheco sister guy? But yeah, it's just going to always be part of the conversation and I think people will do it only those who want bragging will only regret it once he's gone and they see what the flip side is. And so yeah, maybe there's like a drill sergeant that come in and try to maximize back in a different way. But now it's just like those things. You think that worked against Brad last night Frank Vogel use like twelve time outs in 6 minutes last night and I mean really fascinating that they were out of timeouts and birth I still have not even called one. Not that he needed to and then when they probably needed a time out he was just short of like let's get this flight in the air get home and was trying to just get to the Finish Line with off. If they just make one more basket. We're not even talking about this. It was just all a conspiracy to get brown to his forty points today. Perfect. Let this thing slip away you've got to run a couple of minutes. So I want to wrap up with you know, we start with something funny that to end with something fun. So I've I've you know for Giggles for for my own personal energy entertainment. I dragged on you before the you know, the the exclusivity of being followed by Chris forsberg on Twitter and like what what the heck why don't you follow me? Which obviously is, you know, I don't care one way or the other but what I did catch on T recently that I took I can't wait to talk to him about this was her you being called out on television by not for not following Kendrick Perkins. Yeah, like, you know, when and it's one thing when like I khong You out for not you know, why are you fought when perk calls you out on television for not following on him on Twitter? I mean one, I'm sure you quickly remedied that situation. But do you know like what immediately is going through your head of you know, like what is the right way to respond to this? I think my first reaction is how does Kendrick Perkins have enough time to tell who is who is and who is not following him doesn't have like hundreds of thousands of followers. Like I feel I mean we must have been tagged in the same post, but I can see that more because we all have that right where you know, you pull up something that your your your tag and the same as somebody else and you're like wait long. They don't follow me. Yeah disrespectful and I'm sure there are people out there that hold it against me. I've tried to explain this multiple times that you know, when I first created a Twitter account, it was off this one and this one got verified and that was out of my control and so I do not want to sit there and re-follow the same five thousand people that I had already started following on the other one. So I just kind of poured it over some lists and yep. Where I follow everybody now and then just as a shout out to all my NBCS colleagues and you know, I'm sure there's some USPS stragglers in there to just a very limited number of followers. I don't even know if I have that column on my tweetdeck, you know, it's mostly just the list of like the Celtics an MBA and all that. It's almost like perfunctory for me. But yeah as soon as Percocet it I was like, oh we can I pull up my phone and right from that chair. I had to follow him. You know, you just don't want to don't want to get perk on your bad side. It's just said the big man, you know, what I would say to people might cuz the you know, I I get that from time to time, you know, especially from like colleagues. So you're a bad teammate. You don't follow me that sort of thing and I'll say like look I and this is not an exaggeration. This is true. Like I don't follow my mom on Twitter, but you don't want you want us to read your mom Suites all the time. Like I just I wouldn't say their moms on Facebook page. Like yeah, right. That's why I have Facebook exactly. But but yeah same thing like they can people can make you feel really bad about that. And it's funny like we woke were talking about the Bitcoin story that we obviously is protocol. Jason and and Jason, you're probably seeing it on Twitter. You know, we're all aware. We all see this stuff. Even if you're not following someone it out there you're going to see if he actually so I see everything I hope Burke is just calling everybody out Tatum forsberg the bench who's next who's going to be in your countenance across right now leave next next week on the show Kendrick Perkins. I'll say that's no cuz he hasn't even to herself in stock yet. So there's absolutely no way that's that's happening. I need my podcast first before I let him go off. He started his own podcast now before he got on Celtics box somehow even though he's part of the NBC Sports Boston family. Yeah, you know, so what can you do? I mean person to call it every birth. By the end of it. Yeah, and then just tell them to carry the hell on yeah and and went straight. Like what I love is it's just unvarnished and even better it's hard for you know, I think the hardest part about having a hot take on Twitter box here is eventually you're wrong and then I sit there and I'd like, oh man, I should I should have called out Jayson Tatum, very slow starts. You've been so good at the start of games, you know, like then I gotta kind of walk walk. No problem purchased. Okay, I was wrong. Yeah carry on miss it though. Yeah, these people dig deeper. There's like no, I'm going to play My Flag even further in this particular take like I know people are driving crazy ass well, and it's also in this is a much longer conversation. We don't have time for but I can only imagine how it how it impacts. You mentally as someone who's still more of a journalist than talking head and and reporter and obviously it's not broken news in the past and all that. Like there's just no accountability in the industry anymore with social media like you get something wrong you get something wrong who cares like nobody remembers it, you know, there was a point in time however, many years ago where that would have dead. Destroyed someone's credibility completely, you know, if you floated out a potential trade rumor and it didn't happen now, it's just like just yeah yesterday's news five times a day off see a report and I sank. Oh everyone's going to know this is just this isn't coming from a credible source, and then we talked about it for three days and I'm constantly amazed that you could have the worst track record on on like wage what the buzz around the Celtics is and just the way it is. We all have a platform. It's all how you use it and hopefully fans figure out like, you know, they see it. They understand what's best home. Yeah. She's going to be diligent trust your figure out who your your preferred sources are. Well one of our preferred guests is Chris forsberg from NBC, even if I'm over exposed. Yeah, but but you know, what uniquely exposed when you're on the show because we talked about all the other stuff that you don't have time to get into elsewhere. So we appreciate you hopping on we'll continue on with the show for a few minutes will let you hop out, but I have a dog That's that Blazer you got in the background. Yes, sir. What did you 42 regular you're at 42 I wouldn't have guessed that. You look like a forwarded. Really? Yeah, you can tell that through the through the through the old Zoom box office need to tape. I can really reach for teachers. All right now now when maybe I am before maybe I've just been buying them too big. I don't think so. I think it depends on the model and model you'd be a 42 just depends on the jacket and really what kind of butterfly jeans. Should I buy? Should I buy one of them spend your own break this to you? You wouldn't be able to pull them off now that well challenge accepted. Yeah, I go out boys. Have a great job. All right, man is Erica to never check out the Celtics talk Bob over there NBC Sports Boston Chris forsberg always a pleasure wage and I roll on for a couple of minutes here and you know, just thinking along the lines of obviously everything that we've been talking about over the course of this show and you know, I think the big one and Ed We could Circle back to it. We talked about it plenty, but the big one I think the the overarching story with this team at a a very surface-level way of looking at it is have your expectations changed for them now here in in mid-april versus what they were the vast majority of the year when they were so often unwatchable. I think we've come back to the well, we've come back closer to the original expectation is team of the season started, you know, it's been fun to watch people just come up with ideas and takes over the past couple of months about what's really playing this team Twitter obviously is a dumpster fire these comments section in this particular video section at points has become a dumpster fiber but I love all of you that comment on these videos you guys long as people of all the time seriously, I love all of you, especially by the way. I wish I could remember his name but the guy that made the like that guys that guy's my favorite dude, the guy that made the video calling us all out at Sea land s the guys my fans wage. Love that video might have to have month some point. But look we've all over the course of several months have tried to figure out exactly why I steam wasn't performing. I would say that we've been pretty level-headed on that conversation. Although we've leaned in certain directions. I've leaned into the Danny thing hotter than any any other take I think I think the roster constructions been a problem. But what we're seeing now is what this team looks like when it's fully healthy and the initiative end in 48 hasn't even really sunk in yet. He's played a few games. You see this the the Sparks that it could potentially be something really positive. We don't really know yet the Tatum thing coming back from covid-19. Has been a real interesting Journey as someone that had covid-19. Gene games Tatum averaging twenty six point seven again 7.1 rebounds 3.8 assists on 4941 + 90 shooting Jaylen Brown 24 and half point for a game six rebounds 2.5 assists on 49% 42 percent from 3 and seventy percent from the line those two guys with a healthy smart been able to really up their games off. We become more efficient highlighted by Jaylen Brown Seventeen and twenty against the Lakers last night. I'm again. I like the scene quite a bit. I think the camber thing is what makes or breaks his team in terms of how far they go. If Kim was going to be this ultra-efficient shooter who distributes the basketball you have a different basketball team him realizing his role in this team has been kind of a month or two throughout the season how he fits in with two high-level scores like this. He's never had to do this this entire life you go from high school to college to Pros Kemp has never had to be the third dog. And ever and now he is he's a super highly qualified overqualified. Yes me third banana and he's just trying to feel himself out. So the patients that some of you have shown us team should be commended. I'll tell you that Adam you and I have been frustrated the point of saying I hate watching this team and that at certain points definitely rang true for me, but now fifteen has become healthy, they've gotten you know, they they went out and got fornia, which can't be ignored. They got Cornett was giving them some minutes which has been great The Evolution of Robin Williams all these things come together now and as they get ready to turn the page to the playoffs the one thing you got to do the two things you got to do keep this particular level of play up and just stay healthy. Do those two things. You gotta feel confident cuz not many teams that you're going to play in. The playoffs are going to have four scores like Boston dots, you know, they're not going to page. With the exception of Brooklyn and I would say Philadelphia because Joe and be basically counts for two people this point. He's been so good not many teams going to have four guys that can handle the ball and score twenty points per game. And that's what we get back to Granny's point about that was the third best-selling seen the past twenty years and that was the best basketball any Brad Stevens teams played in his tenure wired where they like that cuz life for guys are just for the basketball simple as that and you make the case. I mean you just argued for kembo, but can you make the case that Evan Fournier might be not the most important birth Celtics. That's not what I'm saying, but the Biggest X-Factor in terms of determining their ceiling even more so than Kemba Walker just because of of what he should hopefully if you know if he delivers what he is, you know, we've seen flashes of for a couple of games anyway before obviously the coping situation and just what he was in Orlando and what what everyone hopes and expects him to be and especially coming off the bench as opposed to being in that starting unit is giving you some of what you didn't have last night in Los Angeles. Could you argue that 48 is actually the bigger X Factor to determine this team ceiling than even Kemba You know argue that I think because he's kind of insurance right if Kemba doesn't have a great game. Well, here's forty who averages, you know, twenty a game to help pick up that slack. I just think if you don't have the four scores versus the three, you're you're in a completely different category now again, I think you can win the NBA title know what they're going to do the Eastern Conference Finals. I'll give you a maybe on that page and that I wouldn't have even entertained this little as three weeks ago, but don't even say no but I'd love to be wrong. Yeah same but I'll enter I'll at least let the fantasy like I'll let it run away. It's like maybe like wishing that Justin Fields as the Patriots quarterback until we go try not to let that particular fantasy enter my brain, but at certain points like yeah my brains going to run that I will allow myself to do get very excited about a potential deep playoff run into something speaking the Eastern Conference Finals the fourth time in five years. I do think that that Philadelphia is better this year, but I think when it comes to your question about 40 a month You could easily make that argument cuz he's that cowboy insurance and the bench is where we've seen the Celtics really struggle against other teams throughout the regular season this year, right? The problem isn't the Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown think it's a problem with those guys are on the floor. What do you do? This team's most part sew-in if you want to argue that I would I could I could see that argument being valid just because they're a complete dumpster fire when they don't have both the Jays and the floor together when one goes off their numbers go way down. It's a way for one of the girls on the floor and still be a competent offense so you can make is that what you're arguing? Do you think that that that Forty-Eight is actually more important than Kemba is I think he is the word quibbling with with the semantics of of the definition of important, right? So I'm just going to label it this way. I think he's the bigger X Factor because I just thought that you know short of like all of a sudden Kemba coming off the bench and I don't think that's going to happen. So I just think the the biggest hole the biggest uncertainty on this team and last night was not a prime example of it because again, you were still thin but it is an exact example of it is, you know, you know what you're going to get more often than not, you know on a nightly basis almost without fail. You know what you're going to get out of Tatum out of brown smart and I I'm believer in this recent trend of Kemba. I I think he's getting more comfortable. Obviously. He's he's that much further removed from from you know, minimum actions and and having to sit games out and obviously just the knee injury in general. I think that I'm not saying Kemba is going to do what he's done the last five six eight games whatever on a nightly basis, but we're going to be closer to home. At then we were at the start of the year when he came back so the bench though. Prichard who's admitted? He had a rookie wall Nesmith. You don't know what you're getting out of him Langford. You certainly don't know what you're getting out of him. I think you can contribute offensively offensive Lee who the hell knows them Thompson and and you know Williams let's let's just operate on the basis of Robert Williams being healthy. So Thompson is going to come off the bench. He's you know, you know what you're going to get out of him back when he's not going to give you double figures in scoring on on a routine basis the way he did on on many of those caps teams. Grant Williams has just been you know, a a mirage of what he once was and or if that's even the right way to put that so it's like you need you need to be able to drill in on a guy who's going to give you a consistent 15 17 points a game off the bench at 48 can be that guy coupled with what you expect to get out of your starting line-up then yeah, I would argue that 40 a is is someone who who not only can And but we'll when you apply off game here and there and and would be the difference between we're going out in the second round versus we're going out in the Conference Finals. Yeah, I think that's that's important to note that the his boss not just a scoring ability but his way to move the basketball and that's the thing. I think we've missed with him being out like we all know score. I mean he saw what he had his first 10 threes or whatever and three days in a row after I going over the first game you see the offense there just from a shooting, you know capability. We've all known that for years that 48 can really shoot the thing that you don't see is the way that he moves the basketball and it's you know offensive like you and how that affects how that makes it real life easier. And again that Gordon Hayward spot that they surely missed, you know, 48 can fill that quite nicely and not just cuz everyone's been calling right? Not not just as a shooter cuz you know, remember, you know, Hayward was what the most efficient player in the NBA last year given the minutes. He was given right but a part of the Hayward wage The ability to have a guy that can create with 10 seconds on the shot clock when again your two best creators on the bench and that's that's really valuable and how Twenty Eight bits as a moldable piece. You can be a dog handler. He could be a wing, you know, we can guard defensively a multitude of guys that guy is very valuable in his versatility to your point might make him a bigger X Factor than chemical a guard right in just you know by size by his ability to do things like he's just have died but you have a guy in 48 you could be a little bit more moldable. You kind of kind of be worth a chameleon terms of he can change this we needed to be there and change this we may be that so that's you can make an argument and and maybe I'm wrong on this and I will look something to be wrong and I'm lucky I I agree with you. I think 48 in the playoffs just going to be really important for that. He's a huge part of what their future is not just this year, but I think in upcoming years if they can find a way to re-sign in keep them. Awesome. I mean, I think he's I think Danny acknowledges like yeah, we lost we lost Hayward this year. That's a huge reason why we stank that's a huge reason why everybody's mad at us. We just don't have that particular guy the team right now and we didn't draft them. Yeah, I mean that that can be a a way to salvage the season and and get things going in a better Direction. But Kimba and if you just remember early Kim before the All-Star break, he was breathtakingly good and I'm not sure if we're ever going to see that player again. I would love to see that guy off but last year, right? Yeah talking before the All-Star break before that new demek. Ya before the pandemic before that knee injury. He was unbelievable. It was an All-Star. He was tremendous if I can find cuz you know, you're looking around not too many teams having a guy like that that can that can really score on you in bunches and lost might have four of them. At least three of them and knows what the off-line teams have the ground the East Hill Kyrie Durant and hardened nobody's going to match that Firepower. Nobody could tell you right now nobody's got that but you have Philly Tobias Harris embiid off offensively. I don't throw Simmons in there because Simmons offensively is very weird you have you know, the Milwaukee Bucks with Drew and Giannis in in Middleton and somebody else. Set will kill the Celtics whether it's Brook Lopez for a game or a Bobby Portis and is ridiculous eyes for a game maybe divincenzo gets up. But the way that Boston kind of navigate those Waters Edge, if you make the argument 40 days more more valuable to them. I just think the way Kimball fits in and what we've seen him in the past if you can find a way to get that guy be amazing in my opinion this show once again is powered by betonline.ag go to bed online. AG today use the promo code clns 54 fifty percent sign up bonus, you know what I mean? Maybe and this I don't believe the same thing to say it. Anyway, maybe Boston's just back. 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Celtics hire Ime Udoka, what comes next?

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Celtics hire Ime Udoka, what comes next?

"This is the winning Place podcast on the clns media Network. The leading online provider for the NBA's winningest franchise. Hey there. Welcome in to another edition of the winning Place podcast. My name is Brian, Robert rich is off getting married this weekend graduations to Ridge. So we're bringing in a big gun to fill in Chris's excuse. Is that excuse? We can use them like getting married and having marriages, this is real life, life life sitting in the way of podcasting it happens sometimes, but but, but I'm not devastated by this cuz Chris forsberg extraordinaire of NBC Sports Boston is is here and we've had a week here, Chris, we've had a week and I want to bring this up most of all, because bring into touching. When again to the the trade, I want to get into your ticks and that aware that this team goes from here. But you know, as a regular listener of the Celtics Talk podcast, I can only laugh on Wednesday, Thursday. And a fresh podcast of yourself, and the great object King of the athletic drops, and then no less than maybe wasn't an hour later that so couldn't errors made. But let me give you the, let me give you the the time line here is that cuz everyone, everyone in the podcasting business can appreciate how quickly you become outdated. I call Jake. Hang on, on Tuesday. Going to look man. I'm kind of like, I need to do a podcast but I'm kind of sweating doing a podcast because this coaching news is probably going to come down pretty soon and I don't want it to be outdated immediately, but maybe maybe if I can bug you for like an hour, maybe like, we'll just talk about all things besides coaching. And that way, even if something does happen we're still like pretty in the clear a little bit. But, you know, I made the joke like I said well you know, recorded us knowing that 30 minutes after this post is the the coaching decisions going to be announced and 30 minutes after the podcast posted on NBC Sports boss. And that after New Jersey, We got a new coach but yeah, just give us another excuse to do a new another podcast. Like twelve hours later. I hope I keep saying, you know, the podcast was J, was really good job. We talked a lot about what we'll probably talk about today and people can still listen to that. So hopefully people like, you know, there's no reason you can't just listen to two episodes. It's like a bonus. I'm just looking forward to listening it just to laugh at first, you made. Oh my God. And then I said it again at the end. After we, I think we talked about email, dhoka of quite a bit too at the end there and and then just, you know, just speaking it into existence, that's what we do. So Thursday, we can speak into existence some roster moves for this team. Moving forward, what's the next raid? Brad's going to be done by July 4th double Raptor. You're not even going to need either. Going to need the August song. You can. We give credit to Brad? Like at least he's not messing around. Know we all wondered what would happen and and so that's that's been my big thing this week. Maybe I don't know if you agree, but like these were two really big dog. Visions they had with Kimba and the coach and I don't know. I've heard people say they nailed them, I don't know if they nail them. Like I feel like I feel pretty good about what they did wrong at least they made decisions and sometimes as a friend off you just gotta make choices. And so credit the Brad not messing around and you know, easing into this thing. He's diving fully in a new into decision-making, you really is. And so let's let's start with the coach first assess the the freshest thing here and I mean, this isn't do you. Do you think they're black cable with sped up a little bit here with all these other openings or do you think this was? You know, obviously they were clearly maybe if not the best job on the market you know, I think the majority would think that it would even though it wasn't unanimous but I do wonder whether you know this happened a little bit sooner or they decided. Okay, we better wrap this up now cuz these guys are probably not going to wait around for, at least, you know, guys laughing. A guy who probably had, you know, multiple teams after him. Yeah. And I think just, you know, we'll never know what they're, you know. Official order was, was adoka their number one choice. Like I suspect he was off is based on you know, the little timeline that we know of so far, but coaches, we're going to start to come off the market Fast and Furious. You know, we see Rick Carlisle, go to Indiana now and you know Portland will probably make a decision here sooner than later, maybe as soon as the Clippers are out of the playoffs. And so it just feels like once those dominoes start falling, you don't want to be the team that's like, well, do we want this one or that one? And so long. I think it was pretty clear When Brad jumped on that, call earlier this week and said, like a muffin talk about this, it felt like they were probably getting down to the nitty-gritty and, you know, so crazy them for, for moving quickly. I think we all keep saying, right? Like and they Atoka checks, a whole bunch of the boxes that they were looking for. And so it's sort of makes sense that it came together birth. Yeah, the way till the Nets were out probably before. They could could really pounced. And, you know, it's just part of the process. But I like that, you know, they they again, you you don't want to be the team that's sitting there with and five other teams have made a decision. And you're like, well, what are we doing? So good on Brad for removing quick and I mean, we can't really get into what a dog was going to because no one knows. I mean this is like the that's why you can't like that that whole discussion like you know hurt like yeah it's he checks a lot of boxes, he clearly has the support of the Stars which again this all is great. What we're going to I'm more fascinating to see what's going to happen if it's staff. Now it's keep going to bring back some of those fees assistance. That from what I hear some of them still under contract or is he going to start with his own guys? And it's going to be, I think, damn point and I'm also, I think it's pretty cool. He's probably going to bring in a, a guy of a lot of head coaching experience next to him. I would imagine. And that might be me get, you know, Brett Brown and his amazing Maine accent, like I was off with a different brand. I was going to say, Mike Brown. Oh sure. That could be, that could happen to. Yeah. Yeah. Like I guess they have, they have some if that's both halves Furniture it's there, right? So yeah, I mean there, there there's, there's so many connections with the with whether it's to pop tree or International coaching experience, or like let's face it. Adoka played for seven different NBA or like six different NBA team. You gotta realize off like will charity, was I was kind of dispersed, the whole. I'll tell you, the thing I love most about him. And so I'm, I apologize to whoever posted this first. It's like, it's just an amazing find that I gained, even notice that I was going through my reference. But you know, case we goes undrafted and then goes to the D-League. His first team is the North Charleston. Low Gator's of the D-League. A team that doesn't even exist. Any more than, like, Florida something now your territory down there? Well, that's the thing. I I feel like I am Johnny South Carolina now and I had no idea. They had a lead came in North Charleston and so I'm slightly embarrassed. I'm also now on the hunt for Jersey. So if anyone knows how to like I can secure that without having to go to the thrift shop. The next time I'm down, I'm down. I'm assuming it's it's staying because I don't think they were there very long but you know, this guy who had to really grind just to carve out a like role in the NBA like he goes to the D-League off for 50 games that 2000 to 03 season. When did you leave start by the way? Was that like? I mean, like it had like you're too because I think that was the year two of the low Gators or whatever like this is when the Celtics had a g League team in Utah. When when they literally have to send down like Gabe, Pruitt would go to Utah. Do you know you're never going to see him again. So you just recall them from Portland for a dog. Dodge Dart but you guys in one. So yeah. He was probably there as a begin here. He is with the load. Yeah, so that's right. That's that little generally was there was no games and I can't imagine what the competition. Level was like that. He was, I found the pocket schedule for that year friendly alligators and he was not on the cover. So not very highly touted, even with a Gators but, you know, clearly made an impression ends up with Kobe and the Lakers the next year for four games not much but then goes to France and distain. What I love is nothing has been necessarily easy for May and it feels like he's had to prove himself at every level. Now, clearly they took a liking to him in San Antonio and popped up on that staff and talks about like, hey look if we're going to hang out after practice, you might as well be a coach and, you know, he gets into it into it that way and, you know, but he was there for a championship in 2014 but has had the kind wage For this opportunity, right? Like nine years, I mean he's only forty three years old, but, you know, feels like he he sort of had to pay his dues and that's what I just keep going back to the thing is like a nice. Sort of says, we'll kind of surprises. Hasn't happened sooner than this, and that he's ready for it. So I love I love that he, you know, left the nest when the, the Spurs started to go downhill or or at least it went back to the transition mode and went with Rhett Brown and then ends up on that super team in. Brooklyn this year I'm fascinated to see just like how much that path helps him with. Whatever's ahead. What what was your biggest take away from? You know, now as we're all Googling and they adoka and trying to figure out like how what what what will translate and and what what we should be excited about it the page, besides the, the Nigerian fight? Yeah. Yeah. Which sounds amazing. Well and we got I mean well well some fresh prince talking later in the show. I'm sorry for, you know, his fiance job Nia Long there. I have a great story about that here so yeah, we'll see that for the end. Yeah, based on every just this trajectory and the buzzers been having like it kind of m84a. That's why didn't you get his opportunity earlier but then you look at it. Okay, so he he left San Antonio probably when he figured out K-pop is still going to be here for x amount of years or so I need to go you know, I'm going to go get more money somewhere else. But then you go to Philly and then it blows up on you in Philly that one year. So obviously you wouldn't get a job after last season cuz he got you know his entire staff got game was a disaster for Philly and then this is and I'm not sure I forgot how many openings to her but now you look at it. Okay. Now this is you know, seven eight openings this year and on top of him obviously being with us super successful franchise in Brooklyn where you know I'm working with a superstar Talent there where you can have you know from the Saudis perspective too that much just be dead. Using, but it's a bonus. It's like you, you got an inside. Look at everyone. And then there and now you're coming up here, like that's the same. You're gonna have to take down if you're the Celtics. Oh, that's just a little little bonus. So I mean, it's dead again it all, you know, just your time, you know, it's it's all going to come down to the the X's and O's element like they're going to have that wasn't there a point over here and they're going to have staff here to you know with maximize that out of him and from from the sounds of him he might be going that for. Anyway, we'll find out but it's like the connection with the player's standpoint. That's what's the clearly was a top priority here and it seems like based on this record like that's something he's going to be able to do. Do you think Jay larranaga is back? I mean that's Tatum's guy, right? So it's Horford's. Got to have a house guy. That's right. And Jay is made it through multiple coaching. I mean. River survived this point. So, yeah, I mean, I would imagine that the, you know, the Celtics brass is going to advocate for those guys, but from what I hear, it's, I mean, it's going to be a joke as decision so long. It'll be interesting to see how he handles that. Because that is that's a tough decision for him. It's cuz it's you have, you know, you want to bring in your own guys and there's clear benefits just to keeping the, you know, I mean, it's always have tons of great assistance on staff. Have been here for a long time, whether it's learning. Yeah, her like you know, guys come up their eggs like Morrison but the Jamie young young has been there since 2006. Exactly. Like that's, that's probably one of the longest tenured, you know, assistant coaches in the league. And so, but then is adoka being like, Oh, do I want to have? You know, I guess it's relationship with Brad to in Jersey. Are these people who have to, you know, we feel good about that and they're having that, you know, Branch to the old are so I don't know. But I would think that I think I think it's going to be a hodgepodge. It's Thursday like when Brad came. Okay, so you know, he brought my cashews Berry because he wanted that familiarity with one of his his top bench guys. But they kept Jay larranaga and then they went out and got him Ron Adams who had sort of that knowledge of the league. So, you know, okay, whether that's Brett brown or Mike Brown or whoever it is, you know, the Mike D'Antoni of Steve Nash, can you bring in a guy who has been there and done that and is there to lend support but then you also have larranaga and Morrison and, you know, again, if those guys don't find other opportunities that intrigued them like, clearly, some of their staff has seen the writing on the wall here off and picking the the, the job in Detroit, you know, it's understandable. It's you can't bring everybody back especially if he's going to bring in some of his crew. But yeah, I think Brad, would, you know bread loves institutional off? College and that's why Al Horford is back. So I can see him you know, advocating as you said for for some of those guys to stick around. Yeah. So I'll be obviously this play out and it sounds like we're here from him next week whenever they do officially announced we're recording this on a on a Thursday night here but yeah, it's again I don't think just based on what his track record is so far it because that just checked the boxes and now we'll see. Is he going to be at Summer League? What's he going to do on that from that standpoint and how's your out of Staff? That's what I think going to be the Intriguing thing to keep an eye on as move forward. Okay, we heard from Al Horford today. Boo invigorated. Figure it out for it. I, you know how Harvard is excited to be here. Did back in Boston. He said it by, you know, your sources, we're we're spot on that one. I mean, I don't think you were dead. On a limb region on that one after after the failed Philadelphia Experiment and being in basketball Siberia in Oklahoma City for the past. And I look back, said it was a good experience for him, right? Because he was the Lone veteran who had to sort of be that that that veteran guy and Mentor guy but also they took care of him and got his knees. Write the song be sending bouquets of flowers to the Oklahoma City medical staff because it sounds like L feels pretty good coming in here. I did get a little area when you asked him about if you're going to be planning but back-to-back like I guess that's the plan. I'm like man, we've heard that before where campers like yeah I'm going to be playing so I'm a little bit leery about that but you know the one that I come back to with foul and you know you can't expect them to be the thirty-year-old All-Star. They plucked out of Atlanta and was sort of like a focal point of those teams, but the one thing he has consistently done through Thursday Careers. You've made guys around him better and whether that was, it being an MVP candidate in that first year or Kyrie, having the best season of his career. When he was here, Al off just because of the way he plays and the way he facilitates and the basketball IQ is going to make players better. And I so I'm intrigued like I feel like you can just kind of pencil in that Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'm going to have really good years because I was going to help them figure that out and what that translates to. I don't know because I don't know what Al Horford necessarily is going to be able to do like can I keep hitting threes like you know it's gone down the last couple years but he can still pick him up. He can be a better backline Defender than anything they've got right now, even at 35 with bad knees. So Rob Williams excluded. Like I'm assuming that, you know, you gotta split those minutes anyway. So but yeah better on T than defensive stalwart Tristan Thompson. I mean, I know that's that blow your mind. I don't know if you if you listen to the Celtics. Pod. In the aftermath of the chem betrayed, I think my my after we got through the initial of it, I asked Galahad. So, you know, how quickly until they trade, Kristen Thompson. And he goes, oh no, they need all of them. I literally fell out of my chair because I just couldn't fathom the idea that that they would keep 7. Biggs here. And they could use all them for forty billion dollars. Thoughts. Yeah. They could they need another veteran big probably at the minimum not at, you know, ten million dollars and so but I guess what? This chemistry does in that Friendly's, is that like the pressure to move on from Thompson from from just from a finance standpoint goes away. But like you can, they can wait their turn, they can wait to see if some other team gets desperate maybe you get off before it was like okay what are we going to have to you know give up to get rid of Thompson if we need for the money now. It's like okay maybe we'll see how this works for a while and then dead. You know, pull the trigger. If we we find something, we like, so from that standpoint. It's good. I'm curious to know and everyone about this little bit today on MassLive, like the outdoor for your thoughts. Anything that the story is great. The second chance, unfinished business, Etc. Realistically though. Like what are the odds that he's actually around Beyond a year? Like and is there anything he can do to like change that? That's what Mike you're like? Yeah. Like cuz he said it's a fit works and like and he still has stuff left in the tank. Like he's obviously useful player not in twenty-five million dollars but like we were talking about the guaranteed money for next year and they're going to be going after big names or maybe they're not going to go after big news. Maybe they're going to page the other mean, I don't know. Obviously all those balls are still in the air right now. So I'm curious like what the odds are. Clearly, that that it's just going to be a pit. Stop, not like a, a fund long-term story. But life, what, what could change it in your mind to be, you know, not be a pit stop. If if he's like really good and and again, really good in my mind, isn't like going back to All Star. Alex just making players better with, with being able to be out there and playing twenty-five, thirty minutes a night and being serviceable on defense and and all that, you know, just just the Net radio when he's out there popping like it usually does. And if he does that, then I can see them being back next season, but it will hinge on, you know, do they need that space? Can they move them in a trade and and get value? You know, like they can't afford to have to pay another first-round. Pick to get off its contract, not sure off. So it all just comes down to what makes the most Financial sense. So if ultimately, the plan here is just to be in the cap game and twenty twenty-three then, yeah, maybe he's here. Maybe it's, you know, I thought at first, when they made the move, I said, I could see them stretching that final year, you know, but it's like four point, eight million dollars over three years. Probably not ten am like, in a Mac to come down, like what you could player. Like, if he's a 10 million month at that point, then you don't do that. If you write a veteran's men player or like a biannual clearer than. Yeah. Maybe you think about that? Yeah, you know? And again, it might just hinge on if you need the money, if, you know, okay, if you can get the guy, you want at whatever, you need to clear. But it's hard for me to also think they're going to keep the books clean, you know. I think Brad understands the long-term Vision but you know is that in 48 coming back, two years, you know, like There is value in that for him if he gets overpaid and can get back into the free agency Market at 30. But, you know, if someone comes in with four years, we didn't we go through this. Well, you know, we always say, oh, they're not going to get blown out of the water by a deal and then some team comes along and blows them out of the water with the deal. And so, you know, I'm very interested to see how that plays out, I think there should be some hesitation about how much you're willing to pay, not just because of financial flexibility, but because you know, let's face it, the player has some deficiencies and, and you know, that being said, they need shooting, they need size, they need that awful kind of wing guy. But you know, how much Faith do you have in Nesmith and Langford and their ability to develop and and play that spot? You know, would you be better? Serve not spending that money. Then using your exceptions to go. Chase the Larry Nance, or Kyle Anderson or whatever. The the names will get into will be to fill that sort of force pod. And, you know, I don't know, like poor Brad Stevens, man, dead. There's still a ton of questions here to answer. Oh. And like in the point guard which yeah. I think we all think it's going to be a Marcus Smart now but we'll see. I mean that's, that's very much caught up in the air. At that point. I was like, I'm fascinated by asking everybody just now, are you cool with Marcus Murphy in the point? The starting point guard for this team. I honestly thought that's what they were going to do two years ago before they went after Kemba. So yeah. I mean, you want to know if you weren't buying Terry. Rozier, I wasn't buying? Yeah, I'm not buying the Terry Rozier starting point guard plan at that point. I thought that was, hey, goes on your face. Exactly. Right. That's, you know, that's my fault. But no, it's off. I think that's the default option. Obviously this point, I do think that, you know, smart trade value will be investigated and, but if I'm curious, again, I if I'm off now, with this, or if I'm Brad Stevens with smart, like I don't, I know, summer is probably going to be banging the the door for an extension. I don't go there yet unless the price is really right cuz I want to keep my options open from that standpoint. But the same time, I I don't necessarily think the Celtics will get what they want for smarting to deal, which makes the the plan right off. Easily to say, okay, here we go here, the keys to the car Marcus, we maybe should have done this a couple of years ago, but now we're going to try it again and and if it doesn't work tomorrow you said you like. Anyway, right? So and that's why I think, you know, I know people a lot of people are said we don't see them being overly aggressive at the start of free agency or you know, using those exceptions and like, look, look there, there's there's going to be hardships. Like you just can't, you probably can't take back a player in a sign-and-trade and be hard capped. If you splurge on Fournier. And so there's there's a whole bunch of obstacles along the way but, you know, you can go 50 million dollars into the tax and then get to the February and figure out. What do you what are we doing now? That might screw you again if you make a Daniel theis Type move and you know just trying to dodge the money and Thursday after Jack by Stalin and bites you at the end. But not the worst position to be in if you're if you have to sort things out here at the start of the year. But cuz cuz like right now they're not probably A championship-caliber roster a lot would have to break right? So they've got to figure some stuff out. Yeah it is like you said that always having that in your back, pocket would just be under evaluate and it's nice when you are attacking you have players that you feel like you'll be able to move. Like I said, as long as you don't wait till the buzzer and get, you know, have to throw an extra cash and a decent player. Who you guys, who do you want to see them? I'd like to do now. Do we start playing the game where we're like, who does adoka have relationships with that? They better and LaMarcus Aldridge. Yes, done. I mean, that's all they had been here last year, but maybe the hard thing with the hard thing to patting Patty Mills now. Yeah, like, so yeah, anyone in San Antonio, there is a lot of free agents coming out of San Antonio this year off, or, or meals. I think those would be great. I don't think, I don't know, I wonder what he wants at this point in his career, whether he's just going to, you know, sign a cheap deal with like an answer, something like that. Just write a shot at Birth. Ring. I think something like that, could very much be in play, but they obviously have a pretty big role for him here or any, you know, point guard that's on the market. Yeah, gaze energy, God. But I haven't, I haven't gone down to 4 that Revenue, but I think, I think that's just where you start is, is the San Antonio, the world and then, or just the, I think point guard in general. There's there's a lot of point guard down around this league and it seems like, you know, not that there's a lot of great ones on the market this summer, but I feel like that's a, that's a whole you can probably fill for a little less, you know, cost and obviously like a Winger selective or am I crazy? I want to call Chicago and asked about Saturday and ski I just want. Yeah, you know, what are they going to like there is such a weird spot Chicago cuz they're like they lose the friggin a spic and now it's coming up. What were your left? So it's like they gotta go all-in now, but they don't have any cap room that they keep right on. Skis. So they were trending towards cap room, right? And then they mail those moves. And now you've Tough decisions to make about how. And so, are you all in on Coby white? And if you are, then just sat around ski available and so you know, that's those are the spots where those trade exceptions or Tristan Thompson contract or whatever can come in to come in handy for the Celtics to get guys that, you know, again, you don't have to sign and trade and and hard cap yourself and worry about all the obstacles that go into it off, you know? And again, if you're committed to Marcus, part is your starting point guard. You don't necessarily need a game-changer at that's a pun on play on. Markets are nicknames there. You don't need a game-changer at, at the point guard spot, you do need probably some more depth and like I have a lot of people in the comments who are very upset that like someone took that as Peyton Pritchard slander like I think you're not bite ya, very possible back up. You can shoot 41% from 3. On your first year, you're going to play you know and like deep range. I love everything about the way. Peyton, Pritchard played. You also have like a real Swoon, the middle of a season where I didn't think it was dead. Is impactful as he was the times. And so you know I think there's just a limitation on on what necessarily he'll be early in his career. So back up playing twenty-something minutes at night. That's fine. You know life and maybe a Trends upward from there if he gets more comfortable in the league. But I just want I just want size if that position and one side's across the board where, you know, the Celtics don't have multiple players that are getting picked on when they're out there like a ringback Fournier and we saw with the Nets did and targeting him. And I mean obviously Tristan when he when he was in that game and some of that switching they did. So I just hope they find. If one thing we've know from the scouting report on on emails that he wants a defensive-minded team and the Celtics are desperate to get back to the defensive DNA that we know, Brad loves so wage corporate and and Tatum Brown smart and, you know, another player in there, whether that's forty or whatever, you know, maybe you got something there, right? And it is, it's going to suck. Easier to play Fortier defensively when like teams don't have coming to pick on it. Yes, exactly. So that the end you solve that problem and you off again that owl is moving around better than he was you know two years ago in Philly from a you know maintenance standpoint and we'll see what you know, the six the six months of rest dust room from their wage. I mean, eight months of rest really help Tristan Thompson. So who had a hamstring injury from the first day of training camp and never it took a while like I'll met, like Tristan took me over a little bit more as the season went on but then the playoffs happened and those pick-and-rolls and you know, games three was impressive program, but then you had three or four and five so yeah, you can get, you know, one of those is fine. But yeah, like you said the the defense I mean they're just swiss cheese obviously dead. But that's, I mean, we'll see, we'll see what how that shakes out there. What Do you have any Moses Brown thoughts. I take it over to the tremendous hype man. Really almost criminally talked him up. You know, it's funny cause obviously Celtics fans look at that one game where you get one great half against the Celtics, but the rest of the resume is, you know, it is what it is, you know. I keep hearing people say if that's your 16th pick this year. That's fine. You know, it probably just as much of a swing to hope that that guy develops as you know, whoever they would have drafted, I think the other the 16 think we had a little bit more upside but can't hurt life sized and you're not tied to a whole lot of guaranteed money. So you take the Flyers, see what it is. Like probably squeeze his Loop Cornett out here, but otherwise I don't think it's a big deal. They could have used a 7 foot two, big man in the past postseason that you can throw in there and maybe cross your fingers. So hopefully this is a nice dress, a whole flakes, I really like taco but I just thought Be better two-way. Players are more reliable two-way, players. Like I'd love to give Taco Fall all the Time in the World to, to come along and figure this thing out. But, you know, one of the luxuries that other teams had in this Cove and THC was, they could lean on two-way, guys, and I don't know if the Saudis have been able to do that necessarily with confidence. You know, there's always these flashes to even with trim on, but you know, I just I just think they need to start thinking about having depth When Death has been questioned in past years and maybe something that will handgun, roster building and make

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Where o Start: The Answer Never Changes | Ep: #73

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Where o Start: The Answer Never Changes | Ep: #73

"Welcome back we've decided it's real rainy kind of crappy we're GONNA be limited with what we can do outside Benazhir. We're going to do a few podcast. They just kind of impromptu. We really didn't. I didn't have put any thought into it. Actually I decided bench we do. Podcasts said Yeah we should. I grabbed my computer. I opened it up. I've got about a dozen or so facebook questions that I haven't had a chance to even open then. I do have some that. I haven't answered yet that I'm working on getting back to so I'm going. Just start going to grab a few. I'm literally going to read them to you for the first time that I'm reading them so as I process them You I'll explain my thought process behind it. I think by doing that. I do that a guy that actually talked with today. Haven't talked with them for awhile. He's a friend of ours. Jeff Forsberg has a dog named Tito that we trained for him and Yellow Dog had it last year. Went home to him. So we've if you've been following this for a while or seen. We did a bunch of videos with that dog through his training process but I was talking with Jeff Today. Jeff brought it up to me when we were doing a seminar a few years back. Jeff was a seminar in a few years back. He said you know one of the things that I think you should do. More of is. Explain exactly what you're thinking don't just do stuff in a seminar but talk through it and so I guess I never I had other people say to me. I really think it's valuable when you explain what you're thinking and why why you're doing stuff to me it's sounds weird to do it me personally. It feels weird to do it because I feel like really explaining stuff that doesn't need to be explained but I get it In the ideas to try to have you get a little bit of an understanding of what's going through my mind in. Why so with this question as we're doing these I've never read them before. So I'm GonNa like as I think things I'm just gonNA say him These are the things that are bouncing around in my head when I start to analyze a question and try to come up with an answer. So let's get started first. Question is I have a lab that was born in December. The Guy I got him from didn't really do anything with them. Besides retrieve I've been watching your Bella be good series and wondering if it should if I should start with him as if he was two months old or if I should change it up a bit any input would be very helpful and much appreciated. Thank you so born in. December that makes the dog. It's end of. May It's going into June. Makes the dog about six months old? Probably and so. That's what I I start thinking about. What does he mean of court on one? Thought I say. Of course you start in the beginning but in the other at the other hand I go. Why did you even ask this question? Well it's because you've got six month old dog in. You're wondering should I start where you start with a two month old because my dog is six months old not to that make sense but it also the answer? I hope make sense my answers. You certainly beginning. Here's the thing about training a dog. I don't care how old they are. I don't care how long you've done something people ask all the time and I'm guilty of to like if I'm if I'm approaching something that's new to me. One of the first questions I would have would be well. How do I get started and I get that question all the time? Where do I start when it comes to train? Shed Dog. Where do you start? I mean I can't tell you. How many podcasts? I've been on lots of different PODCASTS. For other people and it's almost always the question they start out with. Where did you get started? You know you'RE GONNA change. Shed dog where do you? Where do you start in? The answer is always in the beginning and I think for when it comes to dogs it. It doesn't matter the age doesn't matter all that stuff doesn't matter you always have to start in the beginning and and I think that's actually probably reality for a lot of things because if you try to start in the middle of anything you usually get things really mixed up really quickly. Because there's usually a reason for sequencing in that could be like how logically put together something like if you're putting if you're putting together I used a pressure. Washer this weekend and I remember putting the pressure Washer together. It came in a box and it you know it had the motor on stuff was already assembled there is parts and pieces of it. The `wonder whatever the sprayer. That was already assembled. I didn't have to assemble that. There's multiple parts that make these things up. The motor has all these different parts. It was already put together that part but when I brought the thing home I took it out and there was wheels loose. There was this raccoon frame thing that was loose. There was I mean the whole is wasn't connected to the one the one was none of it was connected to the sprayer There were there. Were parts and pieces are in. So then I took out this booklet and I started reading the booklet and I thought what. Why would it's a it's a frigging power washer. What do I need this for? So I set the booklet down and I started to put the thing together and it made. Let's just get going with this right so I get gone and start putting it together and then put the handle on because I knew where. It was obvious where the handle went. It was obvious where the wheels would go so started putting this stuff on and then I realized after putting it on tightening the bolts finding the right nuts finding the right little free wrench that they give you that. It's all this stuff and I tighten these all up and a little time consuming and in whatever I get it done. I'm ten fifteen minutes into it. And then I went to the next step of putting the wheels on and I realized there's no bolts for the wheels. Well this it's missing right away right away. You're missing parts. You know you get pissed off at the manufacturer because but then I looked I went. Oh my gosh these lineup with the bolts that are for the frame and the frame easy easy and speedy delivery here so we got there. You're in the background. You hear my watchdogs. Let me know that. There's a delivery enough easy so I got these two dogs on the bed right now and they give deep growl and you're not gonNa let someone break into my house and so now tell him it's enough in so now they'll settle back down and I don't mind a dog that barks like that. Get off track here. But I don't mind the dog barks and lets me know that. Someone's here I don't like a dog that continues to bark after I tell them that's enough I accept. I realized that we have someone here. So but so. Let's get back to my my power. Washer. So I realized well the bolts lined up to put the handle on by gathered the same bolt that I should be using to put the wheel on but I put the handle on. I and I should have put the wheel on first. And then the handle because it was the I needed to read the bolt through the same hole so I didn't really read the instructions. I just jumped into it and start putting pieces together in reality find. Read the instructions. I would've won. This comes first than this than this than this. And there's a reason logical sequence to everything we do when it comes to training. I think there are reasons in logical sequences to everything we do so. You've got a dog. That retrieves good. You've got one part you got the motor. The moulders put together. But that mean that you just start throwing things together jump into it wherever you want you really in order to use the motor and have it work for you. You're going have to assemble a carriage or a frame and there's GonNa be some wheels on it and so you're going to have to go back to the beginning and actually approach it with a logical assembly and so that might mean if you don't have a dog that knows how to heal your in a lot of trouble because if your dog retrieves and you want to set up some type of You know depending on what you can train the dog for. Let's say it's GonNa be gun dog while you're GonNa send the dog on retrieves. That's one of it in so in order to teach a dog to line or to run a memory you're gonNA have to teach dog line nor to teach dog line you're GONNA have to set up. Lots of different repetitions need some marking at some point but marking isn't necessarily what we start with in the first place so marquee might be my wheels or my handle and lining might be the wheels and if you don't put the First Party and I and if you don't do he'll in the first place well then you don't even maybe have the right parts so you do have to start in the beginning and so the nice part about it is you can watch will be good when I started with her two months. Ten weeks old but you just plug in the six month old dog at that point now. Some of it is going to be hard for you to do. You're not going to behold the puppy in your arms. I held the I held bell in my arms. I think it helped Bella my arms early on but she settled in really quickly when for feeding times. I'm talking if you watch. Any of our training videos are puppy video like this guy could watch our puppy video and he probably could use recall in some of the things we do with recall. Now the differences is the puppy wants to be with us in follows US around. That's a timing thing that you take advantage of when they're eight to twelve weeks old. Roughly you're beyond that so the dogs maybe not in that phase but this setups are probably going to be pretty similar in our foundation video. We talk about reverse. He'll will you. I definitely think you're GONNA WANNA use reverse. He'll to teach recall. And so but if you can't heal in the first place or the dog's not comfortable being on a leash how do you do reverse? He'll so all of these things are just. They're they're all tied together. So Michael Yes. The answer is one hundred percent. You gotta start in the beginning and you treat it like. It's a two month old in six months old body and I don't carry. It could be a six-year-old dog. And you could. You could still start out teaching like I would teach a puppy with an older dog. I think the one thing you've gone for you hopefully is that you say. He's retrieving. Well that's great that's good. That's one less thing that you may have to develop. But I would be willing to bet if all the dog all the guys done as retrieving with it. He's probably not real particular in real formal with his retrieving and there may be some bad habits there in the retrieve or maybe dropping short two victory laps there could be. There could be lots of different issues so I would say the way to fix problems usually by backing up taking steps back when you take steps back and fill in holes like you've got a lot of holes you need to fill in. Well you don't start in the middle filling in holes because you still got that very beginning the first part of it. That's got a bunch of a bunch of holes in it in water will leak out so you can't. You can't patch something up in the middle. You gotTA start in the one end and work your way to the opposite end. So that's the that's Michael's answer number two here. I'M GONNA go. His name is Kung Powell. I don't think it's as real name be. I don't think it is. Maybe this could be Kung Pao. Isn't that a takeout man? Kung Pao chicken isn't it? I think it is good evening. I need some advice please. I'm almost two and a half weeks into hold conditioning. With a seven month old. Chessy we got. We go twice a day but short sessions. He's doing way better than expected. Hasn't dropped a dollar on the table since day to he holds and moving back and forth on the table as well as sitting again. Yesterday I took him to the floor with no issues then on the Second Session. I decided to heal him while holding. He dropped the towel. Drop the dull when he was commanded to sit. I corrected him and finished with a regular sit- sitting hold and then call it a day. Same thing happened today. Morning session was on on all on the table and perfect dropped to the floor in the afternoon and when he is when he is static. There's no issue. But he drops the doll again. When sitting after healing. Should I stick with table work for awhile? More or keep working with him on the ground. Any hope would be appreciated. Well here's what I think you've done. You've you've spent two and a half weeks. Mastering one major part of it and it's and done well and then in two days you've decided well we're going to move to the ground and they were gonNA move on the ground and you've taken a bunch of the steps that you did up on the table and you'd want from two weeks to two days and the dog is tripping up and so it's very clear to me spend two and a half weeks getting to that point. Maybe it won't take that long but it took you that long to get there the first place. What makes you think that all of a sudden when the I in Kong Policy Policies? Not a knock on you. I see it with a million people. They get their meticulous about the first steps. Things they master them. There's really not in a rush and then all of a sudden things go well for them. Things start to form habits start to form. They're doing really good said they go. Screw it open the floodgates. Let's go and they take a bunch of steps in a matter two days and they run into issue in their email me like this and they go. I have problems with it. Was because you went from drip drip drip to open the gates and let all the river come through and and that is a sure way to set the dog up to fill so what I would do is it. Sounds like you over a two and a half week period. The dog to hold well sitting still got the dog to move at the dog to sit. Got The dog to do a gradual nice incremental improvement improvement or expansion on what you were doing while elevated then you took him to the ground and then you did all of that stuff in a real short period time so what I would do. Is I'd take him to the garnered having sit on the ground and hold and then I'd have them walk and hold and then I'd have him sit in hold and I do the exact same steps over about the same period of time or like I said it might accelerate a little bit but the dogs may might slow down to. It might take three weeks to do instead of two and a half but either way I would make sure that I give the dog and opportunity to understand that by changing the environment literally. Going from the table of the ground doesn't change. The behavior doesn't allow the behavioral change. You just it'd be like it would be. It would be no different then. You starting out hold conditioning on the table and emailing me after two days and saying this is this is what's happening. How come and I'd say because you're going too fast. Slow down slow down and master it it. You can't can't you just you just change the environment. It's like starting over every time you change the environment. It's like starting over. When you start forming these new things new skills now. After months of IT and years of it I'll say you can change environments because the habit is stronger than the environment but not after two and a half weeks plus two days so you have to get. That's the whole idea of whole conditioning is by the end of the process. It's transferable to any location. The habit is strong enough to overcome that distraction or that that new challenge of everything else has changed. What's the behavior the behavioral stick regardless of? What the other stuff around it is. That's that's no different than anything else that we do with the dog. He'll work we. I always are bellevue. Good Series Ben and I actually talk about it. Sometimes of. Let's go back to the same spot. Let's go back to the same sprouts. Go back to the same spot. We go back if you watch that series a lot of times. We're three four five days in a row in the same spot. Maybe not doing the exact same thing but the location is the same and changing the activity a little bit and then we get real good at it confident enough. I say okay. Let's go do it in another place and usually when we do it in another place. It doesn't go as well so then we spent three four five days there until it gets really good there and then we go to another spot new same thing and it's eventually after doing it enough times in enough different spots the behavior sticks and in his stronger than any of the other elements that get in the way. And so. That's what I would. That's what I think we need to do here. Next question tied Jones says. What type of bags are you using this a good question? We have our own training bags. we are currently out of inventory however Covert has not helped us out with our supply and we got. They went quick quicker than what we thought. I think there's been first off. 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We also to our website so our bags are ordered in. We have not gotten confirmation on it but we should have them back in stock. So asked the bags We're going to have him back on the website asap. Benny just put turned on wonder. Boy just turned real hides back on. We were out of real hides. We are in the process right now. Fleshing drying Packaging real hides for game recovery. I did a post on our instagram. We have we turned it on today because we got them package so those so it's just an example of words just a really small company doing our best in appreciate you guys supporting us. That's it I'm going to make a quick one today Three questions we got knocked out from facebook. I'll send each of those three people message back with the PODCAST IS GONNA cover it appreciate you guys supporting us. We're GONNA do a few podcast today so you're going to get. You're going to get a lot of information quickly. We are not letting off. I think it's a real. It's been a couple of weeks now that we've been doing this. Let's do more podcast. Let's do more serious for youtube. Youtube channel is is just turning into a real real major means of our communication because it handles the size of our videos. It's very very good platform for us to to post content so if you are a subscriber if you use youtube if you'd go at dog one hundred subscribe your channel How many series are you posting right now? Three actively alternate so. We've got inside the workshops. We've got Bella. Be Good and we've got a dog DABAN blog which is a video version of some of our podcast episodes in another one too. Don't have another one going. We are going to a quick update on Bella. We are going to start hold conditioning in my reasoning with it is. I'M GONNA hold condition here. Anonymity US place boards in place boards of many US without dummies to start out with. And so we're GONNA use this little break from retrieving to get through hold conditioning. We're GONNA use place boards without retrieving and I'm going to start because we've started in on some handling and some back casting and what we're GonNa do is take a short break from that. And the place boards. I think are going to give me the ability to work on some handling stuff less rights in backs without using dummies. And so we're going to kind of prep ourselves for the next steps with handling where we're already going back. But then we're going to start going rights and lefts We're going to start using. We're going to emphasize to the whistle during this time period. So I'm doing. I'm hold conditioning for the reason of. I want to clean up the delivery. I've bitched about enough. I could get in the last month and a half of Bela goods. You hear me wine about it almost every day about the one of these days. I'm GonNa Polish this up now. It's time to Polish it up. I've had enough of it So we're going to clean up. The delivery and her delivery is not terrible. But it's it's definitely not a holding issue. It's the placement of when she comes in. She comes in too fast. She wants to run past me. She usually makes a loop behind me and comes back to me. I want want to fix that. I want to clean up the delivery. I want to be the way it should be in so in her. She's real high energy and I don't WanNa turn her off on it so what we're GONNA do is. We're going to use hold conditioning kick around some place board training. Which is a podcast that we did live with. Jay Lowery. Not Too long ago discussing that. That methodology Ian Openshaw. Got A post. We're GONNA end up posting that new video that he's got to help but I watched the video And he's got a place poor training video and we're GONNA try to follow along in kind of see how that works for us. I'm interested I know a lot of guys that guys and girls it use it. I've never done it before. So we're going to give it a whirl. We're GONNA use Bella for it. So that's it good episode today short one a quick one back to kind of the way. We started out these. We've started to get a little bit longer and I want to keep them short for you. So thank you guys for the support if you are listening to this on an APP that has the ability to leave a rating review at appreciate it if you did if you like it if you don't like it. Don't worry about the reviewer the APP on the APP but no seriously if you would leave us that review really appreciate and do us a favor during these weird covert times. Share this with someone that you think it might help that. Is the reason why we have optum up to the seventies so in three. I've got this little number in my mind three digits. I WanNa hit one hundred so we're GONNA keep cranking before we're we're we're GONNA get we're going to get there so it's A. It's a little goal of mine so I liked it. I liked miniature goals to keep me going. So thank you guys for the support. We'll keep you

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