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Ep 311 - caro, Sat, Queda, Vampiro e Mosquito

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15:43 min | Last week

Ep 311 - caro, Sat, Queda, Vampiro e Mosquito

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US stocks records high gain

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00:55 sec | 8 months ago

US stocks records high gain

"You're listening to the news at this hour on Africa. Business radio stocks have just recorded the biggest weekly game since nine seven two four despite the bleak Economic Outlook Markets Relive Ted Bhai comments from Anthony Foresee Eric's of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Who said there may end up? Being fuel photolysis from the coronavirus earlier forecast Wall Street's S. and P. Five hundred shares index has risen club percent this week and the US Central Bank announce more stimulus measures to support the economy and the commodities markets. The price of gold has hit a seven-year high with meeting. Investors remain cautious about the future of the global economy. And that was the news. At this time on Africa Business Radio you can continue to listen live online at. Www Dot Africa business radio dot com over a mobile APP.

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THE NERD ON! UPDATE: BATMAN BEYOND, CATS, THOR & BLADE, and PICARD

Nerd On! The Podcast

45:01 min | 1 year ago

THE NERD ON! UPDATE: BATMAN BEYOND, CATS, THOR & BLADE, and PICARD

"In in this update degree to what is going on on everybody welcome to the nerd on update our weekly show in which we talk about the news in nerd culture that excited us the most yes and and to answer questions from our listeners slash patrons right off the bat. Ali's not here still get your hopes up cool. There's no Batman chains out there. Were sorry but you're wrong. So shoot happened. This last week. Con Happened <hes> Josh and I were there. I was GONNA say real. Quick were off the or just hot off the the show floor mccown yeah so what is cory rolled into town so corey. You have some COMECON news. Are you obviously like Tom said there was a lot of that went down but we are here folks on the things that excite us the most and for me that was two things from Marvel studios that I'll focus on the first one being thor love of an thunder. I'm excited for this. Four multiple reasons say what you want. Ragnarok was one of my favorite M._C.. You films ever. It made me love a character. I thought I hated and that's a big feet. So it really is it is order returning to helm. This is not directed Ragnarok. He's on things like what we do. In the shadows side of the concord stuff like probably like one of the hottest commodities for directories. He's doing al-Qaeda and he's doing another thing. That's animated film. <hes> <hes> obviously Chris Hemsworth returning store we have tested Thompson as create but the really exciting news about this is Jane Foster authorities come in Natalie Portman is back <hes> to be the female thor can add to onboard for it. Yes CNN so everyone at home. Who's like you know Mc you diehards and stuff like that? This is a catcher in the com- books <hes> everyone's like Oh. It's will be sheath or no combat rights are very very strict. No just change foster thor is not man thor or sheath or woman or or a female towards Jane Foster. Okay what does thorns like its own interesting yeah. That's where it's like. Don't get don't get it twitchy and foster and I'm so excited for that. <hes> the other thing I want to touch on briefly is <music>. <hes> something that I was really excited. Tom and I like kind of fan girl out about after a Alita which was we were like watching and we're like damn you know who would be great as blade is Marshall Ali and Lo and behold he is announced as the next. I I remember US losing our minds on that episode. When we were talking about Alito? Oh man that is such a great idea. WHOA WHOA whoa there's that shot of him in the shades in the Limo and the doors closing Thomas who would be great <hes>? I'm just really excited added about that casting because I know he's GonNa Knock it out of the part. He's GonNa kill who so smooth and we need a smooth hero right now. You know what I mean like we have the blade is actually coming to the M._C._i.. Like that's that's a really cool and that means vampires exist. I the only thing with blade comic books he's always been kind of like. What do we do with them because it's like what are we deal with them like you would have been marvel knights with like Moonlight Dart daredevil punisher and all the darker heroes and shit but it's like how vampires exist in the M._C._i.? Right so it's always going to call them. He's had run with Wolverine and so it's kind of cool to see how that would play out in the M._C._i.. And it's because you know everyone's focused on you know <hes> space gods and all that kind of stuff but I'm excited about like vampires in my mind is being blown questionnaires thinking about it is going to be P._G.. Thirteen there's going to be radar. I would hope are but probably thirteen deadpool's. GonNa say are you but he's not M._C.. You yet hopefully role in <hes> so anyway that those are the two things that I must excited for is thrown blade so well. I'M GONNA come <hes> complete now for something completely different so this past week we had a trailer for cats the movie drop <hes> it's going to be coming out this December and boy howdy mic meals for furry powers activate midfield for the Internet is not pleased <hes> the Internet is not pleased the digital radic all yeah they. They think it's very uncanny valley this is we freeze. What does that mean on county uncanny valley? It's like how do I fuck yeah. So bizarre. Is that the the technical term my ipad says using reference to the phenomenon where whereby a computer generated figure or humanoid robot bearing a near identical resemblance to a human arouses a sense of unease and or revulsion in person viewing it you go <hes> so no more test yeah it's <hes> it's weird like and to be fair. The Broadway I saw cats to like a long time ago and it was weird to see everybody in like the SPANDEX spandex suits with the fluff actually know somebody who is a strange show to start with its when I love very dearly. Oh yeah yeah no I I. I watched that trailer. I don't know how many times because I was like the something about the way that people were moving made me be like maybe this'll be good. It's almo cap professional dancers and then like as I watched it more and more I was like you know what does this might be. Okay Yeah and I reserve judgment until like real actual. Judgment of course valley came up to keep in mind to that C._G._I.. Changes from when you see the first trailer to win. Oh ally comes out quite yeah you can look at any of the biggest one ever noticed was <hes> gardens Guardians Galaxy when he's slow motion jump he's in broad daylight but then in the actual movie it's dark and it's raining and his eyes are actually glowing red so I I also reserve judgment. I'm going to see it for sure. Definitely GonNa see it might be if you I want to say is if Alex Garland can make me fall in love with release connor and she's bald and robot body. We'll see what happens. <hes> also just mcallen guys in mccown and dame like you should go for them alone. Yes national treasures who will be around forever. Wow okay all right. I'm interested in reality. I'm interested to see it because I mean Andrew Lloyd Webber. I mean he essentially raw he writes rock operas and cats but Yeah Right Yeah <hes> Rock Bruce Morocco Bras <hes> and so cats specifically for me. I'm interested to see because it's when you see it live. It's very much dance show and a musical opera thing thrown together <hes> <hes> and so it's I'm interested to see what they're going to do with it because I think you've corey. You've mentioned the the old movie and I watched that a lot too because I had to for theater school but it was one of those shit dude so I'm very interested to see how what they do with it. Yeah uh so what's your news. <hes> my news is more so related to a friend of the show Jonathan frakes out refer back to that episode. <hes> never happened. That's what he would say on the we have wrong again never happened <hes>. Have you seen those clips because you're giving question marks. <hes> have you seen clips of like Jonathan frakes where they put together all the clips of that show and which she like he would say things like he he would present we made it up or knocking not not real or nope. No I send it to you believe factor fixed pretty fast and the he would present this like strange story at the end it would be like Yep. That's true or nope wrong again. I mean right yeah but anyway oh now I know anyway on twitter. It's huge where they go like. Forty seconds of Jonathan frakes that you're wrong but yeah it was mentioned that he is going to be on Picard. We don't know what capacity kind of seems like it's going to be limited because I also heard that he was potentially going to be directing some because he's very he's very director heavy now as we found out our episode so <hes> before but it's just cool to just see him returning to that character and as somebody who is a friend I'm like this is really neat isn't just so cool so anyway and speaking picard when we were at Sandia that's right we saw the booth and there was just this giant Mobley Geno was going on <hes> and peace to Lo and behold and you see like a tiny man not because he actually is tiny in real life it's because he was drowned out by the thousands thousands of phones just trying to grab one picture one little pixel of rather. It's not saying hey look you. Love Your Phantom but that was like obscene. Oh like all the hands like please step away continue the flow of track it alls house like checking WCTC traffic out it was renew. The flight tried to take a picture screen and it was just like wow and I mean like you know what full-fledged commitment to the Phantom because going back yard. There's a lot of so it's like but it's like this. I feel like this is where cars get flipped. Yeah Damn <hes> so talking about that so we talked about Sandia common all the releases <hes> low behold last one news. We're GONNA talk about is two two things from D._C.'s Corner <hes> so specifically the one that's most vague. I can't talk about the most <hes> D._C.. Universe the APP <hes> was pretty much the main reason it brought back <hes> the main one of the launch titles was young justice season three now young injustices an animated series that falls sidekicks right Greg Weisman and <hes> I'm forgetting his name but <hes> to to great <hes> show runners animators. You were done things like a star wars <hes> clone wars <hes> gargoyles oils rebels and stuff like that <hes> so great great pieces of animation and they first came out like like two thousand ten thousand eleven and it had another season they were cancelled and it took like nine until six seven years to get season three out because a fan demand. I bought the blu-ray as part of the HASHTAG. I felt like I was part of it. I've been to show on Netflix. It's all it's all you tom you did that. We were like Yo keep pinging keen busy because there was this where the showrooms are saying keep pinging the show on and it and it came back for season three it was like huge and you know for spoilers for everyone at home but the third season deals with the anti life equation from dark side and it was such a big tease season two so we're finally getting this season six years later <hes> and Greg Weisman like. Sixty six six years yeah sixty years Greg Weisman like a boss during the panel for D._C.. Universe and season three of young justice he puts his hand in the air. He puts one one finger up to two seconds and comes up three are- third fan comes up and then he puts a four and then season for got announced. It was like Holy Shit like we wanted season three so bad. We WanNA see like like Jason Todd. We want to see what happens with you. Know all these all hair dot about season for and then we're like Oh shit fit like we didn't even know that we were going to get it was such such a delight to see that that you know like a baller ass move mic drop because it was like kind of like at this point where it's like. We have to make a big deal W._B.. To give us the might to do it you know it takes animations longtime voice acting. You know there's no money in there now so we finally getting you feel like the <hes> Kaz D._C.. UNIVERSE APP I mean that's I say recent but like past year. Do you feel like as reawakens the it officially launched January twenty nineteen so it's okay <hes> it has soft launch in like September October and it was Kinda like hey if you sign up now you've got a year for a discounted price. Anyone who has it pleased just keep pinging swamp thing yeah 'cause I want him back. I'm sorry they did it revived. I feel like it's the this is of course outside looking in. I I feel like it's really awakened. The Passion of even I know the fan base was already there but it's it's more available to people in a sense that I feel like it's reawakening that that these animated World D._C.. And I can speak week on a little bit. Tom Is is more into DC Diane but I do Love D._C.. Very much like I was very much onboard for young justice and I think with the DC APP is done especially for someone like me is like this is this is where D._C.. especially with their animated stuff thrives this is like the thing they are known for doing better than anyone else is there animated shows because but the hard part on on cable network is that they wanted to market the kids and not all of its four kids so what this APP has done has allowed not only d._c.. To reach directly to fans like me me and Tom like our age but create shows for it because they get to set the rules so not only are they thriving in this medium that they've always done well in but they're also being able to stretch their wings yeah so it's been really exciting in that sense. It's something we've been waiting for for a long time but I think like this APP. The streaming service allows more people that I mean blu-ray in d._v._d.. Is Not a limited media but some people might not want heart media and so having a digital it all space the right you can yeah yeah I think probably adds more to the fan fan base that might not have been there and the big thing to you know we saw Batman Hushkit a world premiere at Sandia comic con but like when that was coming out D._C.. Animated like the the network are the studio was making these universal like like read the original read hush like regional destroy like how many times you think all the marvel movies are they came out there like this is inferior. What's that mean? How many comic stores like this is the one you WanNa Read D._C.? As an APP is like Hey I'm going to curate this for you. We're going to line up all of our stuff that you can actually read the source material for dough imagine like when <hes> <hes> dub DUB DUB DUB feelings walking Phoenix's movie. Jody comes out how Homini D._C.. APP users are going to get flooded with their fetal like read Brian Comments Allergy. Does it rather like this movie's coming out and they're like before the movie comes out. Read this and this is a direct thing where people who work for D._C.. Are Catering and a lot of their employees are actually just fans hands at became like employees <hes> so adding onto that another announcement that was really bad got to be part of Josh was there to was <hes> Batman beyond following suit of last year Bam and the enemy series having a blue released Bam beyond is getting a re released with the BLU ray and it's going to include the killing joke as well as a chrome <hes> Batman beyond Fusco. There's GonNa be a released in October twenty ninth and <hes> the big big thing so obviously caught a release whatever but Bruce Timm Bruce Timm <hes> the king of all the fans of many amateurs series justly anime series all things you love <hes> he was kind of like the mastermind create his own universe within the DC animated stuff <hes> he the he'd dropped a dime. I think this is a big hint. In the same way that young justice for got revived he said if this release does well we could possibly get a fourth season or if not a movie and go further on that we interviewed Andrea Romano Mono. She is currently retired due to <hes> some health stuff and she said to us that if something was really special she would come out of retirement and she threw out like she was movie. A feature length movie of Batman Beyond. She's like that'd be special. I'd come out for that there. The whole cast crew the people you love. That's part of the Batman Universe like WanNa do this and if it does well making this fucking commercial but it's like it's pretty exciting. It's is pretty expensive exciting event. Yeah I think fucking I need more Wilford talking about the things you're excited about a little bit. I like the whole point of the show yeah well. I mean it's it's such a again with digital media and having it was D. C.. You Said D._C.. Direct to consumer <hes> we're having those things there is more consumers they they can eat it up and so show revivals could potentially happen easier in the not. If you have special specifically on your APP you're not trying to like markets and networks and I'm trying to market consumer not trying to find the it's like what we're doing yeah. We were just trying to get directly to our audience instead of like. Hey look like A._M._C. does this H._B._o.. Does that Netflix. Does this but it's like hey we're we're D._C.. Universe we could say fuck as many times we want to Buck Babington at no reason but just to sell the show <hes> but yeah so that's done with my news <hes> we are done with the new so onto the questions so a little preface about the questions anybody can submit questions please do if you're listening right now. Please send your questions questions at nerd on DOT TV and they really can be anything they can be from your favorite yogurt flavor last week. We had your <hes> coffeehouse order <hes> they can be anything so gave him. I'm talking to you gave I know you and then <hes> another thing is is that our patrons the members of the nerd on nation they get I access to answers so we are going to continue on the Superhero journey the nerd on Superhero team boy and continuing Jeremy. 'EM So far we've done so lot yeah we've done superpower <hes> superhero name and then layer but Corrie was not with us yeah during that time like a multi a week yeah so it's all just checker trying to figure out the saga so let's recap hours according kind of figure that out because we have his power banff teleporting. My name is banff for my superheroes yeah batsman figure <hes> Caitlyn your same camera. I'm like shape. Shifter can create materials as long as I have the lipids to do it. Is that what it was work. Your layer is Mike Work and my layers in the forest Kabibi forest kind of Josh Nice <hes> mine is I have super strength. My Superhero name is Mr Smash and my layer would be in like a cave in the woods out in the middle of nowhere yeah. It's a cave though they don't you so I'm light speed speed foresee were speed and my layer was I think I where your name is lifeforce. Why light speed might be eight four source tape power speed settled that my layer was in between dimensions? Oh Wow yeah because phasing out of it yeah and all these was on the dark side of of another planet teach you eight minutes. If you're traveling speed <hes> so banff power I wouldn't have mine <hes> underground no entrance no exit. Only I can tell they're smart and plus. The instant transmission gives get to the crime matter what it doesn't take like nice so no one else can get there. It's you know maybe like a mile underground and since we're going by nightcrawlers powers I've been there before. I don't need to see it. I can just teleport we could have dug at one time and then you because entrance just grabbed it until it out there you go so that would be mine because no one could get to it so to continue this hour. S The next part of this nerd on Superhero Saga is who would your nemesis be create like a similar profile for them. <hes> I think I think it was you get a name was their power and what are. They don't like us why they don't. I guess I mean kind of like what's their fucking thing like you know jokers. Just crazy so you're like to face was felt wrong by the thing or like doctor doom is like I'm a medecin whenever like I'm on the same side but I fight for a different or I wanNA use force instead or like. I'm running the accuser. I'm Zena job and I wanted to kill everyone. Okay and okay so we can. We can workshop this as we go. I WANNA say star still another step after this so I'll say stuff out loud so for me if my thing is light light speed or like or so if I'm super speed I'd WanNa villain that can kind of challenge me obviously right your heroes also kind of find by your villain. I would think <hes> someone that could possibly slow me down but I don't want him to dislike. I have your slow you down. That's a stupid power. Just slow things down but not stop it. Maybe just slow things down like don't be to limit I would actually want him to affect gravity and that he can increase gravity or lighting gravity so like if I'm running then like he made me fly over him or if I'm running towards them in like us like stopping like thousands of pounds of AH pressure is like hitting me we also allows them to crush things to right right well. It's like it has to be very directed based on where I'm at so he can't just like all the whole planet dies so he he's not suit not to super o p <hes> and I think I mean a week name but just one off the cuff graviton com gravitons and I'd want him to be like if I'm the kind of the same person I am now like a little quick little trolley and I talk shit all the time and I'm just wanted to move between I'd want him to be it's true I'd want him to be like fucking more Batman anymore like dark and just like death in the world and ended up but like intense backstory where it's like he got wrong by some shit like the legal system I took his family away and they died and all that he was in prison and he didn't even though it <hes> some fucked up shit yeah okay. I'm still thinking my I would like a so far as villain like I'm trying to think of what would be a challenge for me tape fight it would have to be someone who has something similar to spidey sense. Where a moment before I can tell a pretty cognition yeah they can kinda? Tell where I'm coming from so I can't really like teleport behind them. Sneak up on them anything like that <hes>. So have some sort of yeah mixed with. I think the hardest thing to fight would be someone some meat literally mixed spiderman ministerial together so someone who can make me think I see something contributed teleporting into a wall by mistake ninety his name now that's a night monkey but just for the sake of copyright will say Cayenne. I might monkey or Monday night monkey night okay yeah yeah so he has the ability inviter monkey version and a little yeah <hes> spidey sense this is allusions based on technology has or is it his own power count verdict zone power so you can do count vertigo a little little bit yeah that would work. I just like the idea of if I have something like teleportation. I'd want my enemy to have something. That's a little more challenges yeah <hes> so night monkey night that ask motherfucker fucker. I can see the title back story. What's the Baxter? Why not why why are you guys clashing while this yeah this is tough man we're clashing because <hes> it was it was his personality like again one time at resort and I lost my towel and so I- teleported over and grabbed his other persons talent he had to walk back naked through the resort he got arrested now? Oh He's registered as a sex offender and it can't get a job anywhere yeah wow I didn't mean to is actually he's always naked and he has to use his first. It was his problem for being naked at the resort in the first place explains night monkey yeah so what if he's illusions our kids kids hot tubs actually always naked but he's a lot but then we'd be. I'll I'll think about on for now stick with that. So what kind of percent does he have mean silly stupid <hes> <music>. Here's the thing I've always liked tragic. VILLAINS WHO LOST THEIR TOWEL LAHSER towel yeah so tragic Shakespearean okay <hes> grandiose Josh Yemen now. It's still formulating so I've since I can like create things and shapeshifts having something that eats like material would be terrifying so I think my nemesis would be <hes> it would be like a the concept of like a black hole but it would be called tar okay and <hes> so anything it touches it just like becomes part of it just like if it touched your arm it would phase through you and your wrist would just be intense like your absolute black. Yeah like you see that material where absorb all light Oh yeah exactly like that but the like being that it is. It's like a big dark angry cloud. Oh Oh my God I'm kidding and we might calling this house actually think of sugar rocky from my hero who like dissolve stuff with his right so it's one of those like non-existent existent shapes where it looks like a person but it's shadow. Oh <hes> and it's a child Oh oh so what you're dealing with is like the temper Tantrum of the kid because if they go too far than they become an actual actual black hole so we're wherever they are yeah wrath from full monogamous yeah. What do they call them? Harry Potter mentors the kids who don't have control skirts yeah I got. I got my story now. Okay to make a little audrey. You've got you've got a couple more minutes now. Here we go with thirty seconds so in order for trying to think of ways from me to affect the story. Why does he hate me? What's tragic about it so classics trying to do some Superhero stuff? There's a couple of kids. Maybe he's younger than me. By ten years right. I was twenty at the time thirty now. He was ten. I was trying to save a couple of these kids and my power. I think we described it just like nightcrawlers as I actually go through like minimum other dimension and come back what if while I'm teleporting him out of some maybe it's a car is going on no he squirms away and he gets lost in the dementia dimension and I spend I spend years looking for him and I can't find him but being dimensional gave him a confined gave him the powers he finally finds a way out and he swears revenge on me because the way he remembers it is that I just left him there. That's that's it. That's Oh backstory right here the temperament so he's like a little bit of a temper Tantrum baby kid well like the so backstory story wise it would be like you know doing the superhero thing. I'm trying to like help whenever there's the call for help so I'm going to help them. They're like oh no these things are like dissolving and we don't know why and it's because like the kid was having a fight with their family and so the only person I get out in a sibling of theirs but they kill their parents and they're mad that I can make things but they can only take them away so they've made it like their life goal to take me away since trying to opposite destroy you as a symbol right but also you're making a trauma my child yeah yeah. That's really hard to deal of course yeah. My Mind's a little bit of I'm on one side of the coin there on the other side of the coin right so what choices we make Josh time you know what I didn't. I didn't know that we're GONNA have backstory but I've always been withdrawn to. I had towels it. I I've always been drawn to villains that have no special powers that means that they the first person that comes to mind character is like lex luther he just is and but I don't want him to come from money he he built his fortune and he is after me for and he uses his technology against me the any of his R._N._D.. HE PUTS IT AS ITS R&D for The government but his whole thing is trying to make the world harder for me and able to like he'll put we'll put out bad guys. I'm sure Mr Smash <hes> and the way that I would see my character is that he has a healthy confidence meaning that he's sure of himself and so it's kind of like all my in a sense where he's he's confident but he does have an inner struggle the problem Adam is that some people misread confidence as arrogance and my the guy that is against me mis read it and thought that I just thought that I was better than him in high school and he made it his personal vendetta to bring me down cool and he knows you see right Andy. He knows my secret identity. Because you know high school things happen and he found out like just by accident. Probably I was probably doing something like something and I showed my Strength Inc.. Can I add to call her misread. Oh my Gosh I knew that was going to happen. I felt it coming. You know the drill. Can I add to that lex luther. There's big <hes> intentions. I Hate Superman to add to know fucking <hes> his all things like everyone <hes> like praises him like a God but a God and hold their power audit themselves they share with the rest of the world flex was feel slighted because he wants to make the world a better place to the government contracts but then he feels a superman is doing this to single himself out to be like this glory hog yeah and so but that's not my intention at all exactly well. That's not trying to help the planet yeah well. It's just a good old American way yeah and like Susan psychotic viewed him as like he really has no pushy or she yeah seriously. I'm open to casting same <hes> I. I'm kinda seeing it as like he's hiding under that where he's like. I'm here to help the planet plant under what I'm kidding so he's actually truly evil. He's actually truly evil. Got An end there were to have to be of course more because evil for the sake of evil as boring but there would have to be a tragic backstory of leading up to why he even just mess read my confidence confidence as arrogance and Blah Blah right and yeah so. I don't know his name anymore. Plan out would help what if what if what if what if what if yeah. I like all that I'm sorry I just got excited. I I just got excited about yours. Say what I said about yours. When you'd left the kid in the dimension I even tried looking from all work together in our stories guys would if she d- what is her whole goal then is to try then eliminate my powers and my villain starts working with your villain to come up with some tech to make sure that I can't out to get media well free? It's like this few like this physical field that we can't travel between dimensions so we're stuck wherever we're at so you have assemble yeah. That's a good question. Guys are next thing of this extended episode extended episode lager episode. Usually we are thirty <hes> next question for you. Next question comes from our patron boom home man says who was your childhood hero. Who Was it that inspired you to be the best person you could be with? Mr Rogers Fred Rogers okay straight out the gates that is a hundred percent who I base a lot Jeff Howe interact with people on <hes> and it's why I might enjoy talking to kids. I guess I don't see them. As annoying Bratty I think everyone of has highly intelligent emotions that were not cracking into enough so Mr Rogers for sure wow <hes> non the person I've never met in my life. <hes> a fictional character Batman and it's not one thing I really liked about it was like he in the you know he's a tragic broody a year and all that shit but it really is the story of like you can take traumatic events in your life in turn into a positive thing and turns into the war on crime that he does <hes> you know he is very very hypocritical kind of character by Roenick hero for some people would say of <hes> someone who lives in trauma but also who's part of one percent who fights for the ninety nine you know and works on both ends to be Bruce Wayne the philanthropist but also as Batman The brawler at night who beats up criminals. You need to learn how to fear the log in <hes> so it is that lawful good did that I kinda like out of them but also the chaotic is because he he again dances on the darkness and knows that he has to master those certain things but for a real life person that like I've met is probably a tie between if I can't pick my parents <hes> <hes> there's no stipulations <hes> my army instructor <hes> Sergeant Major Thomas Halbrook and then my major art my senior army instructor which was a major Larry Lamb back and they're in my R._T._C. There my instructors and they didn't like you know they made me do push-ups and X._y._Z. But for four years they taught me things about in the army in the military of like how to conduct myself what were the leadership qualities a person should have how to conduct stuff how to donate back to the community and as well as like hey like. The small things that we do like create who we are so like you going forty seven miles per hour and a forty five says something about you you know the little things all matter and you know sometimes a good like all American kind of like kicking the ask sometimes what you need well Josh <hes>. It's an interesting question for me because <hes> my childhood was interesting <hes> so much of the person that I m today was really developed in my twenties and some people that were in my life but in my childhood was mainly both my dad's my Stepdad and my bio dad. They just taught me they taught me values like how out of respect women and you know just different things that so loud chairs easier swears yeah we'll Smith anybody and my dad <hes> both of them supported me in anything that I did and they both had very different mentalities Talib's about life and it Kinda taught me Yin Yang about life <hes> of like one being from a military background and teaching me kind of values in a vat of kind of like a it's hard to explain except for like you know being treated my word <hes> I take that very both Dad's taught me that <hes> sticking up for myself stuff like that <hes> and then in my twenties it's going to be real pullback the veil a little bit. I had some counselors that really helps you like therapists that really gave me different things to think about and that always really in their therapist that I really stayed with for very long time <hes> they weren't just Oh. I've got a therapy session this week. It's like Oh. I'm this person is somebody that I know today really helps me to develop who I am today so Fisher good answer man <hes>. I think thank you Jalen. I appreciate it well. Also Tom is the Euro I guess when I was a kid I think it's not really that it was a one person like necessarily an iconic connick person or whatever <hes> but I grew up in a small town in Indiana so things were very <hes> within their parameters everyone acted a certain way everyone can address a certain way <hes> and if you didn't fit in those parameters you would get looked at real funny and I can remember as a kid if we were traveling to my grandma's and it was really late at night we would see these like random vagabond groups of people going through diners and whatnot and they were just having the best time of their lives free spirits free spirits and that kind of was inspiring to me to someone who was so strictly in in kept in line with a lot of things not to say that I had you know my childhood was great nothing about that but just just to see people. Having you know the option to do whatever they want it. That's what kind of inspired me to be like oh I don't have to. I don't have to live like this the rest of my life if I can do what I want I mean kind of on top of that kind of one of the lessons that my dad because my dad is in the military he traveled the world being in the Navy shout out to the world shout out the night but he kind of in the same vein kind of taught me that the world is much bigger than because I grew up in a small town and he was like the world is much bigger than this very small town that you have in and it just kind of like that's the way that I view the world vamp for. It's like the thing that you live in. This little box that you live in the world is much bigger than that little box and there's an alternate way of living life like don't even started on the universe last question last question comes from Charlotte g one of our patrons Prince Shutout boop boop when you're little what did you always want to do when you grew up and are you doing it now or not. <hes> I wanted to be a paleontologist or marine biologist. I'm doing neither of those things interesting live. Yeah that's true I wanted to be no I. I was fascinated with those at a young age. <hes> and I still am miss especially with marine biology. <hes> especially sharks <hes> Shark Week every day <hes> think there I think it's also just this comes from a place where I really love misunderstood animals <hes> so while I'm not doing today still appreciate it the same I guess. Will you have cats. I've got misunderstood animals <hes> but <hes> you know once I got into high school I wanted to act in create an so technically. I'm doing that now. I you know I'm filmmaker with Tom and <hes> I act. I create this podcast so in a sense yes and no just depends on which point in my life you found me. <hes> I'll try and make quick <hes> I watched them. Ask and I was able to recite it. When I was a child and then I watched this shit movies where like my third parent and I always wanted to be a director like my parents asked me every birthday since I was like I think at least five years old like what do you want to being grow up and all that that's a fucking big question asked kid <hes> but yeah I did do it? I do it ish <hes> sometimes I think <hes> not <hes> <hes> getting paid <hes> by the choices that I want but doing it in the freedom that I am allowed to do it in and what I've said and what's something that's let me sleep at night. After two hours of crying is <hes> you know life if it's good to you. It won't give you what you want but it gives you what you need and <hes> I think obviously the road. That's ahead of us is definitely longer than the road. We've been on and so <hes> if the road opens up anymore opportunities for that obviously I'm going to look for those stops but <hes> yeah I'm currently currently doing <hes> not what the child in me thought I was going to be doing but the same spirit of it yeah Kevin Jalen I wanted. I like one of the first things I can remember that. I wanted to be was a butcher so you're still doing no. I don't know why I was just really fascinated like 'cause that kind of grew into wanting to be a weapon Smith like I really like metal. I actually know how to forge heavy metal. It'll like yes metalwork metallurgy yeah. I know how to do some of that. which truly all of it was just that I wanted to make it and make things that look pretty 'cause I also thought meet looked pretty? Does it does but yeah so yeah I am doing that. I'm still making it also looks good inside of the animal vegans out there shadows yeah I actually there was a point Rabat's like vegetarian almost begin for like five years sesame sure this podcast welcomes onto <music> one of them for a period of time so josh man. You're an adult so that we're I know I just wanted to be an adult when I grow up still not there <hes> no when I was a kid I I do remember playing like cops or some sort of law enforcement allot 'cause my Stepdad. He was a cop for a time and so we still had all of his gear and so I would walk around the neighborhood with his gear on <hes> you'd so I think at a time I wanted to be that I I know that I was very creative kid. I drew a lot so I wanted to be an artist. <hes> I mean like Corey said it depends on the <hes> part of my life you come into when I hit. I was a very shy kid very shy. Barely talked and somebody talked me into auditioning for the high school. Play then my freshman year and it it awoke something inside of me and at that moment I wanted to be an actor <hes> <hes> and that lasted for awhile and then about ten years ago I did the L._A.. Cliche thing and I moved to L._A.. With two hundred dollars in my pocket on a Greyhound the bus and I just I didn't I didn't enjoy it. I didn't tip to be a professional actor. There's a certain thing that you need to do and you have to be. I was not willing to because I do not want to have to dance for grandma every single time and what what I mean by that is I was put on a veil so much they got to a point where I was like you know what I'm tired of having approved myself and thus trying to like prove my value Joshua's instead of saying. I don't WanNa be dancing monkey he said I don't WanNa dance for grandma anymore. Out doesn't ask for my milk out. That's another reason why I stopped. Being a musician is because I kept kept feeling like everything that happened. In my life was decided by somebody else I had to audition. I had to show them my worth in my talent and whatnot and so I became an audio engineer I started studying that because I fell in love with post production and US. I'm really blessed to say that that is what I do too bus to be stressed. I'm yeah well for the question. You did dance. You might as well call me grandma you dance for me in the little we shot yeah yeah. That's true yeah so ads for Grandma Josh's that I think it's fun why I'm going the actor track Kaelin dances for Graham Oh. I don't like this freeze. Eh but I do miss acting. I will say that so I watched the clips you did great <hes> yeah the questions questions y'all questions T._v.. You got some time paternity leave. They've sent me a question and Tom Specifically. Hey if you know someone that's listener. That's not a patron then let me know I know you specifically send those questions. You can comment on our social media. Send US wow. 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Mason & Ireland (HR 3)

Mason & Ireland

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Mason & Ireland (HR 3)

"Yeah thank you Chris Morale is Mason Ireland. ESPN LA it is all happening hey by the way mentioned the Shit today you realize that if either USC or UCLA wins out they win the PAC twelve south does ucla control their own destiny it was a guy who's a USC graduate any Arash Markazi it was not Arash Markazi Five Five o'clock Oregon and Ucla beat them and ruin them for the whole year and then which basically wait a minute the year that Carl Durell ruined it's USC Oregon on Saturday at the coliseum that that could be the end of USC or or it could be if they if they win that game you're back with CEO Clay we'll go no no matter what no I want the perfect scenario for me is because everybody listens juice and it builds up a crescendo is USC and Ucla were to meet undefeated Klay Helen's case it's true new is will we did know a lot in fact he was Texas Rangers Fan he used to come on the show a lot so we do know him a lot of Nice people they're not going Oregon they've won seven in a row is it oh it's Oregon the as you game they ask twelve thirty well I don't know what we need to look that up greg the pistol yeah I rick recruited by the way is a fantastic guy okay so for a good season I just want him to fall apart so they klay gets fired and I can't do that I've now placed too good of a want him to have a good season I'm back bring back CEO. I sat at the Lakers game Friday and I knew the guy's name I'll just call them guy so I'm talking to this guy next to me and he's got his phone going in Tire Lakers game with the USC Game On. Yeah that guy's name was Stephen a Smith it was not it was somebody else it was near Stephen Michael Wilbon it was not Michael Wilbon either lean out which would include beating USC right they win the PAC twelve south so and US's in the same boat USC by the way that you just have to start time for the at their job all the time but here's the thing with new heisel he was told he was going to be around so he read by the way what did you say people not UCF Hick thirty-nine yeah thirteen nine yeah but that we had terrell for a couple more years by the way how many coaching jobs is he had since he left Ucla he's been a d just guy okay guy got it and he said to me you know what I'm done rooting for a good season they were down ten at this point to Colorado he was he threw in the towel. I'm done Z.. In places yeah exactly I have no idea what happened to him yeah exactly I have no idea what am I know is better than I do is I that's weird because I want ucla to meet a one two record 'em yeah that's weird I enjoy UCLA losing yeah that's ridiculous like yours is ridiculous John You would for USC to lose but he's getting fired I still want him to have a good season to flush the season down the toilet I wanted to have a good season kids don't you can't read against the kids recruited Brett what are you rolling your eyes at because the Nice Guy I'm a Nice Guy John said and I have no idea who he's talking about but in this case you're listening I can of course because I went to Ucla listened to Caspian. I always but you've always thought this is a weird quirk about me I root for USC to win every game except that Ucla that's the coaching apparently either Dan Guerrero looking at this Carl Durell coaches wide receivers for the Miami Ow Yep you're listening to case in Los Angeles Hey it's five oh one sports fans what's the game plan with your kids when you get home here's an idea for tonight he's a nice guy but Co Clay was on the road do you think we'd say too many people are nice guys because some of the people that we are nice guys actually aren't nice guys like Oh then USC beat him fifteen nothing and they fired him had he known that they were GonNa do that he would have played Brett Hundley and he handed Brett Hundley to Jim Moret who's at the game how is that okay like what Kenyan drake gave him too good of a chance to win isn't this the most blatant NFL tanking you've ever seen this play he didn't he didn't well it wasn't playing any of my ranger games to to steal something from Dan Le Batard yeah he didn't get the show he didn't he didn't get the show so rick on Rodney wait a minute no just look at the records we'll record Weijia royals recognize Carl Durell had a good run at UCLA. Here's the thing that rick did that I thought was somewhat the dolphins in terms of their payroll The dolphins have a payroll that is thirty million below the more you do not think Jim Morrison I see more hated me yeah so you don't think he's a nice guy do not think Jim Mora didn't suffer fools yeah and you are a fool why don't suffer the you mentioned the dolphins by the steelers on Monday night football that's a thriller earlier today the Dolphins traded their best running back Yup Kenyan drake I wish I was glad for because who wants to see a time out in a forty three to nothing really was annoying that deserved I agree he deserved that Sing take me out to the ball game bedtime in honor of the world series talking reading and singing changes everything go to I five California Dot Com to learn more the Oh okay if you exactly the thing about new is Liz so they told him he was going to be around yeah so he red shirts Brett Hundley yes who is his best quarterback right okay I'll tell you the next time you say he's a nice guy but I mean Klay Hilton is clay is a great guy yeah he is a great guy I like him. Dealers aren't a third string quarterback they are it's in Pittsburgh they'll Pittsburgh going you just gotTa hope they cover their I misspoke there thirty one don't believe in the concept of tanking and I absolutely believe in it yeah I think that it's not good for anybody it's not good and Jim Mora screwed him up was more at the most one Hundley was that the game where new highs call timeout at the end made absolutely luxury tax I mean come on thirty million below the luxury tax I mean they they have set this up to fail I don't know one of those players are trying to lose they just have inferior players on purpose right which is which is a way to go now you if they wind up quarterback position surprises me because of this year a ram season ticket and I don't know what you pay for your tickets but they're not cheap this is back to the colts suck for luck isn't it a hundred percent is it one hundred percent is and you know if you look at name and then so rick told was it Matt Barkley was he still there he told him he said he was Barkley said Okay just throw deep just in so wouldn't guarantee you the first pick if you blatantly try and lose which is obviously what the dolphins are doing they're trying to lose yup tonight they meet their match though because the see Arizona State game this weekend thirty twelve thirty okay is that the calcium it's either is an ABC or ESPN yes at the Coliseum I would assume it's ABC number seven are very openly tanking and it specifically for one player and that's too so I don't think there's any secret with Dolphin fans that that's what they're doing in the dolphins is that true so he will be on the field tonight for the door your team your bit nine wow good at their job all the time there you go it sums up your career nice guy or bad guy I'm not sure what you are a nice guy guy wanted to talk about job yeah you decide I don't want my rams tickets anymore can you sell the PS L. portion no you could walk away from everything irks this so that was the conflict right that definitely yeah the juvenile blow up right on the right on the air I wouldn't call it a blow up he just kind of didn't just running out the gate and rick calls time out it was forty three to nothing right and and Pete Carroll's like did he just call timeout in a forty three to nothing cap and they're having a really good season there have been a really good season and they've got the most salary cap space anybody so that may not be the person and the rams will be in hard times that time will come at some point right happens to everybody you keeping your ticket I will absolutely keep my tickets to why J. one in fifteen right but nobody's holding a gun to their head right on have to write but if you're a football fan and what you like is the NFL and they went that experience like you get every week years right correct I'm going to be one hundred four when the money comes back so I will never see it you could leave it to Greg Bergman for the players in your team it's not good for the fans it's not good for the product and if I were the NFL I would install a lottery system similar to the NBA that right if you look at a picture of my room from the time I was maybe four up until I was twelve my room is filled with NFL penance you're GonNa buy those tickets and it's you know what it is it's a bad faith negotiation it's you know I think they've been very honest about it no well I'm kind of all ended this point right is you have to have the PSL's now here here's a technical question that your cells 'cause I mentioned you measure but yeah I've got I've got no issue with short term pain for long-term gain which is essentially what the dolphins are doing I will not be leaving it to be much greg will be in his nineties no Gilbey in your nineties Greg is filming twenty years younger than I'll be one hundred four greg I know four current rams on ticket about it yeah and all four of them are buying the PS l. let's say in four years Yep insufferable I think like a lot of people from the bay area a lot of people from the bay area are insufferable when it comes to sports so I will never again take him to it was glad she did what he did through the bomb for the touchdown so the game was over. Oh that's Sandra moment rick and USC was basically I'm running the same play every time extreme team right out of bad season if the day comes I will ride out a bad season for long term gain how many bad seasons will you right out you know when he was in his thirties and I went with buddy from work and his buddy was the niners fan so he would automatically go just went for fun to be with his friends right he would automatically time will come John where I am at the new stadium the new so-fi stadium yes I will have my personal looking at the oculus looking at the OCULUS and thirty two million dollars under the salary cap amazingly the colts who are really good are forty four million dollars under the salary the dodgers lost the game actually during the game when Kershaw gave up the home runs I was getting snarky text messages from not Stepdad. Lille all right coming up at them tickets to see the rams and forty niners and I regret it because he has a sore winner he really he's really acres fifth row Fridays this week prize package includes fifth row seats to see the Lakers and the heat on November eight plus an autograph basketball I am not leaving money you hate the Ram Charan Yeah you do you could be like my dad had bram season tickets ax Yep John Paul Morosi has just posted a story with more details about the Diet there's giants battling for right now has the upper hand in the footsie he was rooting against the dodgers in the NFL DS and I would get these snarky text messages after injures going after Francisco Lindores excellent so we will share that with you coming up by the way fast track in twenty minutes Anderson Twenty don't forget it's acing mean sometimes we read so many of these promotional things that they get lost in the Cheryl really good this fifth row Fridays thing is the best thing how old you'll be anger eighty thirty six I'm not he's twenty years younger than you want a year so you'll be in your eighties yeah naked right and all your equity you don't get your your back because theoretically the reason they you can't say about the PSL's are you will eventually get the money back but it will be like fifty because this guy my dad's friend every time they went to a game I would be by team yeah and so all be listening every day this week if you gotTa Pay Okay Average and let's let's spend a second on this this is this fifth row Friday amy where they're admitting their tanking thirty five million dollars under the salary cap writing minkah Fitzpatrick earlier this year now trading me and they've been very honest about it you take great night and it's all free and all you need to do is listening to the show the I was surprised you said it earlier the other day we yep so this is something you should invest in if you're a Laker fan and you listen to the show anyway go back and listen to podcast if you missed something and then you get lucky Gotcha and when you go to the new stadium they're really not cheap because you got to pay for all right The dolphins are asking people to pay for to pay for that product that we do these tickets on the open market are worth like depending on who the opponent is could be worth up to five hundred bucks a piece we're giving you these tickets for for out of five just missed the Friday question and the next guy had details we didn't even think people would know any rattled off all five and that's the guy we're going to be tomorrow night Adana won't be here tonight or show but he's not gonNA be here no it's Halloween kids so Halloween is now vacation the money and again I want to size this you will have better seats than Michael an idea to call the game oh yeah you'll be able to hear the players talking to each other and yelling at each other and it's Menem seger has yet to replicate the offensive numbers from his rookie year partially due to injuries the dodgers could also Adlon door action at shortstop cory seager would become a trade candidate though perhaps not to Cleveland if the talks between the dodgers and Indians gained while keeping Seger if they shift seeger to third Oh exit law moving Justin Turner across the diamond he said lender who's a four he's coming off a fourth consecutive all star Selection Yep would bring starpower on field energy and consistent yeah and you go to the game I do we still provide a passes to go back to the room and do all that stuff we do have them on autographed basketball first base but then what however going into luck hover that strategy would complicate the efforts of manager Dave Roberts to ensure Max Muncie and Gavin lex receive enough to the phones we thought it was gonNA take a long time for somebody to answer all Greg I'm like Oh this year a while I was with you and then the first guy got four forty niners fan a forty niners game I will never again take him to a dodgers giants game. I just can't deal with insulin you Al Areas Sports and you have the upper hand in the through on the phones when we give them away and you're in for this guy's package completely free to you all right so the latest on that dodger stuff coming up next John Paul Morosi dodgers and Francisco Endore Mason Ireland Espn so there's reportedly going to be a sodano show jumping on this stuff I'm GonNa miss this is a story posted this afternoon by John Paul Morosi at Mlb Dot Com yes okay thing or nothing siga ranked eighth in adjusted Oh ps this year among Major League shortstops but was an outlier in dodgers lineup that Oh citing tomorrow night no there's no is there no and maybe not then maybe maybe Thursday night there is if if Turner is going to move he's going to go to first base and you're going to have muncie basically be your everyday second baseman unless he's playing third base in Lux's playing second but for the most art it's it's not going to ever be Muncie at first and Turner at second it would be switched but for the most part I I like it I would do most of these things I would move singer okay well for you know I'm flying to Dallas that day so you're doing this show somebody else but let me get in before get fast-track let me get into this lindores story Greg Seeger to third Turner to first locks and Muncie become fillon guys well Lux's got to play it with at least one hundred plate appearance and it and it came up perfectly in exactly that way in the L. D. S. this year so that is something it seems I a pennant for the other team so whoever the rams were playing oriented and so in and then after the game he would give the Pennant to my dad and I put it in my room possible trade pieces I as long as you don't touch Gavin Locks Dustin may Tony Goslin Julio reas I'm fine with that deal and here's neurosis take on this he says the dodgers are expected to produce a pursue a trade for Francis Olin door is prospect and shortstop jeeter downs number five both acquired from the reds last December in the yelp week deal or among other Oh you play Turner at second and Muncie at first what he I mean you'll probably find him against right handed starters you played lexus second and sit Turner I mean you you you would most likely fastballs more than anybody else in the league and that's completely against what the dodgers do they're very patient they were counting talked by I think by the end of the run ahead almost every team that's like my mom's boyfriend not stepped out Leo's a forty niners fan yeah in for his birthday gestion may would be tough to pry away given that they've already been key contributors but with the emergence of Rookie Catcher Will Smith he it would be I let me let me let me throw this I'm ready to move on now let me let me throw this at you to from Morosi article about Seger and you tell me if it's some would play both Muncie and lock this is what I'm saying you would know Monte Greg should play every played against against left-handed started pitching it sounds great and it sounds like what the Indians want our top five prospects because controlled and I think you'd probably because it's Francisco Indoor I think you'd fasttrack is coming up next for you may in Ireland. ESPN LA yeah we should absolutely the foresee keyboard Ruis dodgers number three prospect as a centerpiece in any deal right hander Joe Ziya gray their number four the reason the reason Cleveland would even be open to trade England door is because he becomes a free agent next year correct sodas SEGER right so indexes young Guy Platoon bellinger when he was young correct but Muncie and locks are both left handed correct so against a left handed pitcher yeah no I'm agreement with that jeeter down just got up there he moved himself up from single a all the way up to double a and almost may be made it to AAA I'm not even sure about that US controlled young talent right and the dodgers have a bunch of all right coming up next for you may as dolphins on the move inside the ten it's magic right I win that bet other side of the coin they get blown out at Pittsburgh I'm rooting against pregnant and mythical money because he's cocky arrogant and he takes weeks off so I say there you go turn up afternoon drive everyday five thirty s fasttrack Ireland one side of the coin it's dolphins plus fourteen one side of the coin probably gets done but that would be I would move move see I'm not ready to move on Seger I I know a lot of people again if you're if you could get lynn starts on the right side of the Infield so I throw that at you guys what would you think of the trade front door with premium minor league players was what the Indians moved game in Chicago the chargers seventeen to sixteen but the bears appear to be driving for the go ahead score no not yet swung at a terrible pitch swing at ball for we were at that game that game too yeah it was game two basis juice and corey everyday in Muncie to play every day no wait a minute I I agree with you that Muncie has to play looks looks load up yeah but not against left handers and eager was the final out and he swung at a what was ultimately ball for right it was a breaking pitch down by his toes and he swung away he was he swung at first when he had a timeout nagy was exceptionally defensive. Here's exactly what he said all right arrest after the Game Nike was why didn't you try and get the ball closer to give in euro a shorter kick. Why didn't you run another play especially Vince Patrick you're you're you're you're starting plus fourteen right yep you're about to go up twenty one nice nice I'm closing in on Greg Bird on Corey now let me throw let me through you guys the stuff that Morosi says would go if they were to trade for Endore Yup Gavin LEX and engine particular share with forty three seconds left Yup and with a timeout yes bears coach Matt Nagy told Mitch Anybody will buy what Matt Nagy Feeling I think in his head he knows he screwed up in his head and he's just doubling down he's doubling yes what is it courtesy dolphins winning dolphins are winning excellent alright macy's check in yesterday's bears chargers they have to get one major leaguer I somebody but that that could be that doesn't have to necessarily be any I'd like I still think reassert destined may once you exactly because they don't WanNa pay these guys they would want it only WanNa pay one of them right well then you if you've got a choice to pay one it would be lindores right so but I think what they're looking for is fisk to take a knee yup setting betty pineyro for a forty one yard field goal that would have won the gifts such great luck with kickers there but pineyro missed the kick and the bears lost their third four yeah you'd be okay moving sinner be more okay with it I would like to see him over at third base a little bit more justice to keep him around but I mean he's great at at he hit the most doubles in the League he was he had a high oh p s he over eight hundred numbers keep in mind keep in mind no playoffs it was thinking about something yeah for say do chip Kelly I've been behind him all year they'RE GONNA game against Utah Ship is back in a game against Utah I don't know but I'll say no is I was told that if they advises plate discipline he swung at fifty one percent of the pitches he signed twenty nine that was the highest percentage of any dodger hitter the dolphins win like you take weeks off I've never taken a week off liar he win he's got the only one on every week last week I've done weeks two weeks ago it's just coming out of the House we give me an autograph basketball along with the tickets okay so you'll get an autograph basketball you'll get tickets that are valued at worth uh-huh and I say to you when you claimed no I was on vacation I was on vacation with Iran but I somehow managed to bet every week we at a time out even if the receiver catching goes down here's what he wouldn't say and Swordsville forty-one yards yeah you could have gotten close case so and here's the thing now the reality is he had a chance to run the football twice get a few yards closer hey heck maybe maybe seven even throwing our then John Stockton I'm trying to what are their names you you mentioned Robert Kirsch is number nineteen yeah that's Carter's number twenty the eight thousand six thirty seven for WHO's right after Elvin Hayes right after Elvin Hayes is Moses Malone k then Kobe then wilt chamberlain question and I think in his head he knows he made a mistake let's chat all right let's let's do a little Venice Mace NBA Trivia players have played fifty thousand or more career players not historically only fifty only six players in and by the way if there's one team in the NFL that shouldn't trust the kicker to make a forty one yarder the bears interviewed eight kickers okay Lebron James including last night now and the start of the season is played over forty six thousand career regular season minutes only six wow that's a good question I can't believe that that parish and Kobe and like Kevin Willis played twenty years on Stockton's like Coby coby comes twenty years and he barely miss time yeah so jerk might not be there either all time leader fifty-seven Karl Malone Malone played nineteen years played a lot of minutes in the playoffs if he did stockton actually if Kobe dirt track you've actually mentioned two guys that are there Vince Carter got to be there that's the wrong one which ones we miss preseason remember they cut last year because of the double during cody Kardashian's yeah yeah it was an Matt Nagy was the coach of the year last year Okay Jeff Spurs sixty two one blazers forty two one celtics thirty one jazz eight it seems like he's completely lost his Mojo and that's a bad look to basically like call out the reporter for asking a stupid question when it was absolutely not a stupid question and it was not a stupid the odds for winning the NBA title have already started to change Oh yeah good I have the odds as of today rush forty-five thousand Vince Carter it's got to be somebody who started early in their career in just played a long time towards the end of his career with the Kelly's missile bunch of time best value okay so I'll give you all the teams that are below one hundred to one okay raptors nets mavericks eighty to one what team do you think would give you the best value I'm not allowed to bet on anything NBA but if you bet some mythical money which team gives you the KGB has fifty thousand four eighteen we never would have got Jason Kidd has fifty thousand eleven on either Elvin Hayes has fifty thousand on the button eighteen to one nuggets twelve to one rockets eight to one sixers seven to one buck six to one on the loan is number two okay okay what's going by the number jerk is number three in Kobe fifty one thousand three sixty eight okay Sir Vince Carter is playing twenty second season and every once in a while but that's a tough one you're missing obvious ones Laker seventy-two clippers five two so of the sixteen teams I think the can win the NBA title NBA history have played more than fifty thousand career regular season minutes. Okay who are they all right Gregg we can figure this one I got to be one yep cream dream is the so a few questions here I to the Lakers do this to the Lakers have a sleep specialist that that helps to organize ernest named Kate Shanahan who who gave them recommendations on how to eat that would help your body adjust better sleep and do those things I don't know if they still is the nationals detailed recommendations on every aspect of their sleep how to reduce fatigue when travelling between time zones when to travel after after game stop the Miceli longer shot sixty one's pretty good yeah no blazers forty two one do they that's that's an interesting that Celtics thirty one that's just sing is a sleep coach based in Michigan she's taken good give me a number an unusual behind the scenes role in the world series setting the bedtime for the Washington nationals she season minutes and remember in the first three years Kobi came off the bench for two years so played in almost here's here's the list what gives us right after Elvin Hayes exactly when the plane leaves when guys should sleep does that exist for the late they they didn't I don't know if they currently have one but they didn't a few years ago they did have a nutrition you're stockton played a year longer than Malone I can I can pull up the list for Yeah It's played twenty years he barely missed any good memory said regular I'll sleep when I'm dead of course yeah I don't sleep at all so you agree with it yeah I can't I would I accept a long time ago was that Kobe Greg that's it yeah you took out to John Yeah that's a very good question false tom very okay after a few games habits what to do before going to bed how to become alert before night games and when to take power naps it's similar she says to how we make sleep schedules for astronauts it's very precise flyer I think mavericks eighty two one is the absolute long shot throw a Hail Mary see what happens I do notice that ops and every once in awhile I will if I don't sleep for two or three days my body'll tell me okay you need to sleep more and get me to do it so yeah I'll sleep when I'm dead is like my might be the name of my book when I write it I value sleep so much I sleep ten hours turn the TV off I put in ear buds and I listened to this sleep hypnosis thing runs all night long it's five twenty thoughts that you will hear throughout the night as long as as long as I say to keep them positive yes you shouldn't feel bad even though you bet on I'm getting a lot of sleep Tiger Woods Koby Bryant Bill Clinton doesn't get a lot of sleep I think everybody in that list sleeps four to five hours a night did you notice that both Luca and Porzingas are averaging north of twenty three points thereafter so it's a very good one two fouls check all right Dr Take Enough I'm strong enough and Gosh Darn it people lights me kind of like that it's kind of like that all right can I record one of them is the jazz so I would say the jazz at eighteen to one would be my value by Greg Yeah wouldn't be on I think Denver at twelve right yeah I haven't slept eight twenty years and I've developed this whole routine now that I do when it's time to sleep I used to sleep like with TV on all night yep now that's pretty good yeah seven hours last night he watched the game and then afterwards I watched the access sports net Lakers and megahertz is at a tone or no no it's actually it's actually somebody saying positive affirmations to me all night Stuart Smalley in your ear oh I took two advil PM's Ambien oh okay I would to bed at ten and I woke up right at five thirty Yep ten hours I would pay a lot of money for that good remm sleep last night for example I did the game Yup I got home I had been getting up early for few days and the more I read about this the more I learn there are certain people that just don't needle at asleep I'm one of them I could take the my choice is taking a lot of drugs morbid regular season minutes but I think Robert Parish is oh yeah us there forever Robert Perish no doubt that means that Vince Carter is filed a lawsuit against the airline for emotional distress negligence invasion of privacy and sexual harassment when in two thousand seventeen she claimed suggest trudeau okay gator just took the night off and I watched that and then I turned off the TV and I put my positive affirmations and I woke up today feeling she entered the cockpit Yep and saw an ipad showing live footage from the plane's bathroom during a flight super despite what Greg Berkman and Chris Morales say there is no Steve Mason curse the facts good deed own super told her it was a secret security measure in that she shouldn't tell anybody about it southwest is denying that there was ever a camera but let's say award is so good to hear yeah no I am it's it's a ritual and I do it every single night and it absolutely works ten hours a night man I love sleep yeah if I could employed Dr Kate I know that you know Peterson still travels and gives recommendations to these guys how to work out sleep and eat Serono's taught me sleep more or just let my body naturally tell me how long you need to sleep buster only doesn't sleep his podcast goes online every morning at five am Brac Obama does dolphins they're ahead seven to nothing yes in the first quarter yeah no I do it's it's positive affirmations all night longer and a little antic invasion of privacy this reminds me of the terrible Erin Andrews story where you're peeping on people when they're completely vulner- words hitting me one of the pilots allegedly put a secret camera in the bathroom so they could see what was going on in their creepy the flight attendant claims the pilots herbal I think it's a difference if they're suspicious activity on the plane in other words you see somebody because if you if you the sacred discussion that this really happened somebody from the airline put a hidden camera in the bathroom is this a big deal a little deal or no deal at all Oh it's typic- sleeps man I'll ask the question teams I think do actually some NBA teams do now last judy who's in charge of training do you agree with the term think like let's say it comes out that this actually happened does that affect southwest business moving forward that it doesn't this time is fast track every day at five thirty rolling on Ira Linda Voss carried a southwest airlines flight attendant village sleep on positive affirmations. I'm telling you I'm good enough to play Martin Enough and Josh Josh Garnett today like you did the best the company look good would you be less likely to fly southwest if it turns out that this was going on or would you write it off as an isolated incident of two horny fight right and so she staple center can I look at your security footage that they said it happened in the bathroom there is no security no you're not law greg do you think it's a big deal or little deal or no deal that obviously soon she says by the way that as soon as she made this ipad no to her superiors that they actually treated her worse the seven to one that's buzzing Laki yeah six to one really a chance to make it to the final don't rock and this now but it's it's her word against theirs but one thing she did which is interesting she okay so the reason there's a there's a federal law in aviation laws flight attendants to come stand in the cockpit or sitting in the cockpit the food cart in front of the I think according to this article I read you have to actually existed well I mean if that's the case in by the way if they treated her badly after she reported at southwest is in Donald it in the bathroom if somebody was up to no good they would probably meet the bathroom to execute whatever their families secure you're not allowed to have security cameras in watch the movie I tell everybody to watch united ninety three right K. that's where they assembled the bomb

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Coachcast #1202  Caractersticas do inteligente socialmente

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09:23 min | Last month

Coachcast #1202 Caractersticas do inteligente socialmente

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Column: America Is Being Pulled Apart. Here's How We Can Start to Heal Our Nation

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07:16 min | 2 months ago

Column: America Is Being Pulled Apart. Here's How We Can Start to Heal Our Nation

"America is being pulled apart. Here's how we can start to heal our nation by David. French David French is a senior editor at the dispatch and a columnist for time his next book divided we fall will be released in twenty twenty. He is a former major in the United States Army Reserve. For the first time in my adult life, it's easy for me to foresee the possibility of genuine constitutional crisis in the United States of America. The scenario is simple. Imagine that either Joe Biden or Donald Trump wins the twenty twenty election in a close race. There is a surge in voter suppression claims and mail in ballot controversies partisans refused to concede and they declare the election illegitimate president trump himself has indicated he may not accept the outcome. What happens then well, according to a scenario planning exercise at the transition integrity project a bipartisan coalition of former officials concerned about disruptions to the two thousand, twenty election. The result in every scenario except a biden landslide would be street level violence and political crisis. But what kind of political crisis could we ever again reach the point where American polarization could trigger massive resistance to Federal Authority or even outright National Division for the past several years I've been watching the increase in partisan enmity in the US with growing alarm multiple social cultural and religious factors are converging to create a particularly toxic political. Stu. America is being pulled apart. This phenomenon is geographic, ideological and spiritual. Thanks to the decade-long big sort of phenomenon outlined by Bill Bishop in his excellent two thousand nine book Americans are increasingly clustering in like minded communities and surrounding yourself with people who think like you think has a profound effect as cast Stein articulated. When like minded people gather the tend to grow more extreme his law of group polarization. People who agree with each other grow more enthusiastic in their beliefs and agreement. If like minded second amendment advocates gather, they grow more opposed to gun control. If like minded environmental activists gather, they grow more committed to fighting climate change as geographic separation increases. Ideological divisions are magnified. America is becoming extremely efficient at creating super clusters of like minded citizens white evangelicals famously delivered eighty-one percent of their twenty sixteen votes to Donald Trump. Manhattan gave eighty seven percent of its vote to Hillary Clinton. She won ninety one percent of the vote in Washington DC and eighty four percent of the vote in San. Francisco. Almost eighty. PERCENT OF AMERICANS LIVE under unified one party rule a total of thirty six states fifteen democratic and twenty one republican have trifecta governments where one party controls the upper house, the lower house and the governor's Mansion Minnesota is the only divided legislature in the entire US moreover states where red and blue dominate are not scattered randomly across the map the West Coast, and New England are bastions of blue rule, the south and large sections of the upper midwest represent the red heartland. Now, let's throw in another ingredient enmity. It is clear that partisan Americans dislike each other a great deal we live separately snarling at each. Other across a growing divide, the result is the politics of fear and rage. When policy differences often take a back seat to the list of grievances that read possesses against blue and blue against red nothing I'm outlining here is new commentators have called our dysfunctional politics, a form of cold civil war, and the assumption is that one side or the other will win dominate the opposition and rule united country. That's certainly a possibility, but it's not a certainty when immense geographic regions share a common culture believe their most fundamental values are under attack and lose confidence that the democratic process will protect their interests unity is. Not always the result just asked the colonists who sought to secure liberty in seventeen seventy six just asked the confederates who sought to secure slavery in the eighteen sixties over the past decades I've heard committed partisan say out loud that they would be happy to be rid of states like California, I've heard and read men fantasizing and theorizing about a second civil war right wing insurrectionist groups have even formed for the purpose of fomenting civil strife look at the smoke drifting from US cities from coast to Coast Watch far. Right and far left protesters square off in street battles. There is a crackling tension in the air. My proposition is simple. They're not must fear of increasing negative polarization and geographic separation. We can no longer take our nation for granted we must intentionally care for the state of our Union in federalist number. Ten James Madison wrestled with the challenge of the violence of faction. How does a nation deal with competing factions not through oppression and not through uniformity, but rather through pluralism by letting many different political flowers bloom abroad diversity of interests and groups helps prevent any interest. Or Group from attaining dangerous dominance in his words. The increased variety of is comprised within the Union increase this security, why do we rightly worry that contested election would result in far more attention and even violence than to thousands battle between George W, Bush, and Al Gore in part because our competing sides do not trust that if they lose, they will still be free and secure in the land that they love. They feared domination they do not trust the possibility of accommodation. I've been writing and speaking about national polarization and division. Since before the trump election two years ago I began writing a book describing our challenge outlining how we divide and how we can heal the prescription is an easy. We have to flip the script on the present political narrative. We have to prioritize accommodation that means revitalizing the bill of rights. America's worst sins have always included denying fundamental constitutional rights to America's most vulnerable citizens those without electoral power. Progress has been made doctrines like qualified immunity leave countless citizens without recourse when they face state abuse, it alienates citizens from the state and drains confidence in the American republic. That means diminishing presidential power. A principal reason presidential politics is so toxic is that the diminishing power of States Congress means that every four years we elect the most powerful peacetime ruler in the history of the US no one person should have so much authority over an increasingly diverse and divided nation. The increasing stakes of each presidential election increased political tension and heightened public. Anxiety Americans should not see their individual liberty or the autonomy of their churches and communities. So dependent on the identity of the president but beyond the political changes, more local control less centralization Americans need a change of heart defending the bill of rights requires commitment and effort, and it requires citizens to think of others beyond their partisan tribe defending the bill of rights means that. You must fight for others to have the rights that you would like to exercise yourself. The goal is simple yet live every American regardless of race ethnicity sex religion or sexual orientation can and should have a home in this land. Yes. Many of our founders had profound flaws but their aspirations can still be our aspirations in the musical. Hamilton lin-manuel Miranda's referred to A. Biblical verse that George Washington Used Almost fifty times in his personal and political correspondents. It comes from the book of Mica. 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"From NPR in WBZ. You are tiny Moseley I'm Jeremy. Hobson. It's here now tonight, Vice President Mike Pence will headline the third night of the Republican National Convention last night President Trump's family took center stage including his wife Melania who made a personal appeal for her husband the day that I met him he has only wanted to make this country the best it can be. For many years. I watched him grow concerned restraint. And I'm so proud to see the many things he has done in such a short time. America is in his heart. So. While at times we only see the worst of people and politics on the evening news. Let's remember how we come together in the most difficult times. The first lady also spoke to two major challenges facing the country right now, the pandemic and the demands for racial justice to reflect more on this including police reform efforts in Congress were joined by West Virginia Republican Senator Shelley Moore Capito senator. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having me on Tanya well senator first your reaction to Melania trump speech. Her positive tone was was in contrast to the vision presented. By. Other parts of the convention well, I think if there's anyone who knows the president's Day to day where his heart is and where his areas of compassion and passion are it would certainly be melania trump is our first lady. She is actually visited here in West Virginia with me to go NC. Victims of the OPIOID crisis. So I thought that it was reflected well in her presentation yesterday and I thought she did a nice job. We heard a lot about criminal justice reform in this convention. As I mentioned, we also heard a lot about supporting law enforcement, but we didn't hear a lot or anything really about the police violence that's been the causes of the unrest that we see in many cities over the last few nights specifically because of what happened in Wisconsin and June you. You told NPR that you do think there's racial discrimination in our law enforcement and that the law is not colorblind. Is that a belief out of step with Your Party You know I don't believe it's necessarily out of step I think it's a very difficult discussion for us to have and the criminal justice reform was a was a major victory over or over decades two decades believe of trying to get more fairness and more second chances built into our system. You know I I did a lot of investigating with our local police officers and I. You know ask that question is there racism in in in the? Department or in the policies and basically the answer I got not so much was a blatant. Yes there's racism but it was We've got a lot of work to do we need more training. That's why joined with Senator Tim Scott to work on the bill that we put forward. So I still think this is very much a something that we need to work on and and I do acknowledge exists and and I think my party acknowledges. This because we put forward a great bill three or four months ago that was unacceptable to the other side. But what you're saying speaks to nuance and do you believe that that's missing from this convention? Well, I think first of all, we're only halfway through the convention and I think there's lots to cover I think the first thing on a lot of people's minds is what's going on with the pandemic covert and and I think that's been. Addressed in certain areas certainly, the nurse from West Virginia talked about the importance of telehealth. I think you're going to see more areas being hit and hopefully with all that we see going on in this country I think this is one of the things are parties should be talking about because I think we have plans. I. Think we have an empathetic view and I think that we acknowledge that this is a a deep-seated issue in our country. I want to ask you about some of the breaks with tradition and policy last night secretary of state, Mike Pompeo broke from State Department policy and gave a convention speech while on an official trip to Jerusalem, there was a naturalization ceremony at the White House with homeland, Security Secretary, Chad Wolf giving a speech in apparent violation of the Hatch Act. Do you worry about the president set by this norm breaking? You know we had a certain way of doing convention with a big halls in the big speeches. So I think some of the norms are broken. Anyway I'll leave the discussion as to whether this is a violation of the Hatch Act I. Am sure that all of that was considered I'm sure that secretary pompeo probably took great care to make sure that he had a segregated presentation that was paid for and and created by the RNC and I the all of this will be investigated if it needs to be personally I think it rounds out what the president has done and presented in just a different way. Before. I let you go the house pastor relief bill more than three months ago Republicans and Democrats still have not compromised on a new relief bill most unemployed people are not saying that extra three hundred dollars of redirected fema money in their unemployment checks what needs to happen on the relief bill well, this has been very frustrating for me because I have a state that has been very prudent with the dollars that we've received and we still have people that are hurting and. So, our governor is applying for the additional. FEMA money on unemployment, which I think is a good move on his part, and also he's been very deliberate and how to try to help our cities and counties because there's a portion in the end, the new bill that would give the governor's more flexibility to allow those cities and cash to replace tax revenues, and that's really important to me and maybe more directed dollars to our cities and towns but I just think that the the bargaining. that. There hasn't been enough compromise I. I'm disappointed that we can't reach a consensus here but you know I'm ever hopeful as I always have. West Virginia. Republican Senator Shelley Moore Capito thank you so much for your time. Oh. Yes. Thank you. Hurricane Laura is swiftly moving towards the coast of Texas and Louisiana and is expected to make landfall as a category four storm. Tonight, more than half a million people have been ordered to evacuate, which is, of course, complicated because of the pandemic Ray Hawthorne is a meteorologist with the Florida Public Radio Emergency Network and joins us now ray the National Hurricane Center calls this a formidable hurricane is it expected to strengthen further from where we are right now? It looks like it. The storm is over warm water the winds high up in the atmosphere are light and it's so it looks like it is going to continue to strengthen for several more hours. There are some indications of some stronger upper level winds right as the hurricane approaches the coast tonight, which could weaken it bit but it's really not going to be enough to prevent this from being a major major event. So? What does that mean? What are you anticipating here? How severe could the damage be? Very severe. So the storm surge, which is the amount of water level rise above normally dry ground is forecast to be ten to twenty feet above normally dry ground and that surge could extend thirty miles inland over parts of our southeastern Texas and southwestern Louisiana. So it looks like Jefferson County Texas into Cameron Parish Louisiana could be some of the worst areas hit by this but the surge will extend outside of that if you think about it in these terms that would be about the height of to average adult human so it doesn't really incredible surge. And what about wind and rain? Yes. So winds forecast Windsor expected to be over a one hundred miles per hour near and where to the east of where the center crosses. This very large Hurricane Jeremy Hurricane Force winds extend outward up to about seventy miles from the center and Tropical Storm. Force winds extend our up to one hundred, seventy, five miles. So there are likely to be tropical storm force winds as far west as the Houston Galveston area and as Far East perhaps as new. Orleans rainfall were looking at rainfall amounts between about eight and twelve inches. There will be areas that receive fifteen of of rain were more extending far inland into parts of Arkansas and also into Oklahoma as well. One of the things that was so surprising about this storm is that it was just a tropical storm yesterday, and now we're looking at the possibility of a category four hurricane tonight. As we remember, they're only five categories. Why did it gain so much strength so quickly? Yeah. There are three primary factors. The first is the water in the Gulf. Of Mexico is quite warm and that warm water extends fairly deep below the ocean surface. That's a big part of it. Also, the winds higher up in the atmosphere have become quite a bit lighter over the last twenty four to thirty six hours for hurricanes to get stronger the. Winds high up in the atmosphere have to be light and we've seen that and the third factor is the moisture in the atmosphere. So drier can prohibit hurricanes from strengthening. In this case, the relative humidities have come up in the middle and upper parts of the atmosphere, and that is why that Laura has strengthened quite a bit over the last day or so. Now. You mentioned Arkansas. You mentioned. Oklahoma. What are we expecting this storm to do as it continues to weaken over land? Yeah. So the weakening we'll definitely take place once it gets inland. Unfortunately, the storm is very strong to start and it's moving quickly towards the northwest at about fifteen miles per hour. So it looks like Hurricane Force Winds Jeremy could extend as far almost to Shreveport and tropical storm warnings extend into parts of southeastern Oklahoma Southern Arkansas. So we're going to see wind damage and power outages very far inland from this storm also lots of heavy rain and strong gusty winds moving into parts of the Tennessee and Ohio Valleys as well coming up by Friday. And just briefly, obviously the pandemic makes it more difficult to deal with this storm water officials saying people should do in especially Texas Louisiana. Yeah. Your best bet is if you're asked to evacuate, you will want to evacuate. This is a severe potentially catastrophic storm. Your best bet is going to be evacuating to a neighbor or a friend or family members of your best bet shelters are going to be open CDC guidelines are are going to be adhered to, but really your best bet is a a friend or a family member. Re Hawthorne I'm meteorologist with the Florida Public Radio Emergency Network Watching Hurricane Laura Ray. Thank you. You're welcome. The United States reported more than forty thousand new corona virus cases, yesterday, and nearly thirteen hundred deaths, which puts it in an unfortunate league with only two other countries in the world with numbers like that Brazil and India European countries are seeing on average fewer than fifty deaths a day per country although covid nineteen is still spreading there. Let's check in on three countries across the Atlantic. With NPR reporters Beardsley in Paris Rob Schmitz in Berlin and Frank Langfitt of London welcome to all of you and eleanor. I'm going to go to you first because of the three countries represented here France is the one seeing the most new corona virus cases each day more than three thousand yesterday. Why is that happening? Right Jeremy because young people are gathering and partying says the health minister. Fifty sixty percent of the new cases are in those under forty. So that's why it's happening. You know the health minister says, they're not social distancing. And our people in general in France wearing masks and social distancing they are I think it's taken very seriously. Okay. Maybe the young people who are partying or not, but you go out on the street everyone is wearing masks about a third of French cities have mask mandates on the books not just inside but you have to wear masks outside in many places in Paris I walk along the Seine River, you have to wear a mask, and so it's taken very seriously and you know just this morning the prime minister said, yes cases are rising, but it's not a reason to panic even if everyone is not mar wearing a mask and social distancing. The majority of people are and it's just a completely different scenario. There's sort of feeling there's there's uneasiness that it could rise but there's also a feeling that we can control this by doing these barrier gestures as they're calling them here. What is going on with schools in France because as in this country, it is almost time for the school start. Absolutely all schools nationwide are opening next week, and every child is expected to be back in school France did go back in school a few weeks last June, but not everyone went and you had to wear masks to school, but you could take them off in the classroom. Now, you have to keep your mask on all day long teachers as well as students. You know everyone wants to go back to school. I spoke with a woman who was who was a teacher and apparent said, yes, it's time they have you know scenarios in place if things should you deteriorate you know different scenarios they can try like she said, if things get bad then they would have half the class in the classroom and the other half would be following virtually from home. So they have a backup plan, but as of next week, everybody's back in school. Just, to be clear when you say back in school, you're talking about in the classroom not agree yet. Going back to the brick and mortar building. Okay Rob Schmitz in Berlin Germany is also seeing a rise in corona virus cases, but we have heard it on this show described as a model for how to deal with covid nineteen because it's kept the numbers down what's the situation there? Yeah of course, Germany receives a lot of accolades worldwide in the spring for doing a good job of curbing the spread of the virus and the country spent sort of they sorta spent it. There's some sort of celebrating that internal EU borders opened over the summer people traveled regionally they went to the beach they traveled to unusually empty European cities. And enjoy themselves and the restaurants were open albeit with social distancing rules went pretty well. But then about two weeks ago as Germans returned from their travels, Corona virus cases doubled and then tripled. At the beginning of the summer new cases of coronavirus hovered around four or five hundred today. Now, they're at around fifteen, hundred a day, and of course, compared to the US this is a fraction of course but we're seeing you know the highest number of new cases in Germany since late April and schools are now back in session, which is causing a lot of concern that these numbers will just go up from here. Yeah I hear that your sons are in fact back in the classroom at this point how's that going? Yeah We're we're hoping that this lasts at least through the week yesterday. On their second day of school, my eight year old told me at the breakfast table that he had a sore throat. Any other time outside this pandemic, we would shrug that off. But right now in coronavirus times that is a much bigger deal. He's okay now but parents whose kids are back in schools are all going through the same thing as for my son's their back to school this week, they're required to wear masks in the hallways at school. But when they're in class, they're allowed to take them off their school like many here in Germany has given us as parents and option for them to be tested for coronavirus on a weekly basis for a small fee and they've told us that if a child becomes sick test positive they've. Got Quarantine and testing protocol ready to go and from what we've seen at other schools were a child has tested positive usually that child's class gets sent home immediately for quarantine then they're tested and then the ones who test negative go back to school but priority here for all German schools is to keep kids in school to the extent that they safely can. But of course, that will likely be a big challenge. Now, I know that German Chancellor Angela Merkel is going to be meeting with officials in Germany's sixteen states. Tomorrow is she taking the lead on the response to Covid nineteen or is it more state by state as it is in? Many ways in this country well, it has been state by state with the with the Mercury administration sort of taking the lead and I. Think this meeting tomorrow will mark another time where she may step in they're going to be discussing whether to reintroduce stricter social distancing and mask wearing rules for the country. It's clear to everyone here that there's been a lapse in following a lot of these rules especially from restaurants and bars here in Berlin, it's not uncommon to see restaurants blatantly violating social distancing guidelines, my my wife and I went to a popular restaurant a couple of weeks ago and they sat us at the same four-seater table. With, another couple that we didn't know they were not wearing masks and the restaurant wasn't bothering to collect our phone numbers like you're supposed to in case of an infection. So we ended up demanding a table outside, but you see this all over Berlin. Many of these establishments lost a good portion of their annual revenue during the lockdown and they're doing whatever they can to recoup that money and that includes ignoring safety rules to cram many people as they can into these restaurants I think what's likely to come out of miracles meeting tomorrow is that will soon see better and stricter enforcement of social distancing rules, offices, public transport, and in restaurants. Frank Langfitt you're outside. London are you seeing an increase in corona virus cases there in the United? Kingdom? At this point. Yeah. It's actually very similar to what rob was talking about we're up to about twelve hundred a day and they've been picking up and last number of weeks but that's obviously just like rob said much better than it wasn't April the thing that jumps out at me actually the very low number of deaths. Yesterday sixteen of the day before that, just four in a in a country of sixty, six million, and of course, this was a country unlike Germany that had huge problems of back in April and May was not a model for anybody to follow in handling this. Now, the reason the deaths are so low apparently there's a lot more testing they're getting better at this of the. Disease has been shifting away from nursing homes to younger people and people going back to work to some degree, and then use of steroid called decks. Methicillin in hospitals is actually helping cut the mortality rate. So definitely, a very changing picture and I gotta Say I am very heartened to see the numbers now being a lot lower a lot lower than they were in terms of deaths. Now, what is life like in the UK at this point you talk about people going back to work does it feel anywhere near normal? No, it doesn't and it. It's really interesting to listen to eleanor and around about this I. Ride the trains a lot of going to London I also travel around the country. The trains are are largely empty I was in Canary Wharf, which is our big one of our big financial districts in London, and you could have expected the tumbleweed to be. Rolling down one of the sidewalk there. It's just it is empty and that's another reason why I think our numbers are down is that people are going back to the offices Prime Minister Boris Johnson wants them to so to seekonk the mayor of London for economic reasons. But people who are white collar workers are still staying away. Speaking of economic reasons frank. What is the economic concern at this point in the United Kingdom as you look ahead especially, if life hasn't gone back to normal, it's it's really scary the government here has done a very good job at a lot of ways to pay eighty percent of salaries furloughed workers, but they can't do that forever and I think it's going to run out at some point in the. Fall which is around the time that many people think we'll go into a second lockdown here, and that's where I think everybody is very worried about the economic consequences for people psychological consequences for people I mean, the numbers are good now, but you know the falls going to be a very different environment perhaps for this virus. So I think people are very anxious about the next two to three months I just have. Two. More questions. Rob Me go to you with this one because you talk about people coming back from their vacations. Are you able to travel basically wherever you want in Europe at this point or what kind of restrictions exist if you coming from Germany want to go to another country? Yes. As a as a resident of Germany can back in June July most of the you opened its attornal borders and many people. Including my family took advantage of that and traveled throughout the region. But you know starting a couple of weeks ago we started seeing individual EU countries begin to clamp down in their own ways most countries borders remain open to other countries, but they're now requiring many of them at least are requiring proof of negative coronavirus tests from people who are either from traveling from areas of Europe where there have been significant outbreaks. And Frank What about American visitors are we allowed in at this point? I was supposed to go to London. About a week or two that's not going to happen. I if I wanted to. You could come and I couldn't see you for fourteen days because you'd have to go into quarantine and what's really happened is they've been more and more countries that UK's adding to the quarantine list. So people are rushing back from holidays. We're not going I, wanted I L and I were talking a was getting advice from her about a quick trip to Paris and I was watching the numbers rising and I held off booking anything and sure enough of, for instance, put on the quarantine list here, which means you come back and you've got to stay inside for fourteen days. That may very angry. They wanted to retaliate. Yeah. I was traveling around France this summer and it was Europe for the Europeans this summer I came you know there were Belgians Dutch, Brits and Germans and there were literally no Americans No. Chinese. Different feel. That is NPR's eleanor. Beardsley in Paris. We've also been speaking with NPR's Rob Schmitz in Berlin and frank langfitt outside of London. Very interesting to hear how things are going the other side of the Atlantic. Thanks to all of you. You to do it fixture. American Airlines. Says it is preparing to cut nineteen thousand jobs by October when government aid runs out United Delta? Southwest and spirit have also warned of coming layoffs and furloughs. Recall that the federal government has pumped billions into the airline industry which has through no fault of its own lost most of its business because of the pandemic here. Now, transportation analysts Seth Kaplan joins us now and Seth Wasn't part of the deal when the airlines got that money that they were supposed to keep the employees on the payroll. They got about twenty, five, billion dollars in grants, Jeremy. There were strings attached, and the biggest string of all was that they had to keep everybody employed through September thirtieth at least involuntary lay-offs or furloughs. A lot of people left voluntarily. Taking the carrot of some, some generous buyout offers well, September thirtieth coming, and as we all know no broader deal, this would be part of bigger congressional action and nothing yet to help the airlines employee's when you wonder whether this is a negotiating tactic to say, we're going to lay all these people off so that Congress actually does. And remember that the House has passed up a package that would include help for the airlines. The Republicans that control the Senate have not agreed on anything but do you think that that's what this is about trying to get more aid from Congress in the next month? Well, that's certainly part of it. It's also true that there will be a lot of furloughs I. mean they're not they're not bluffing They have far more employees right now than they need to meet the highly reduced the man that's out there for air travel. So American Airlines by saying one thousand, nine, thousand people are going to lose jobs and by the way, Jeremy. That's on top of I. Think Twenty three thousand took voluntary either permanent buyouts temporary leave come October first know. They say is now a real number. We talked a couple of months ago about airlines warning of even bigger numbers. But at the time you know united theoretically up to thirty six, thousand people. This is really nineteen thousand people who absent any action are going to be out of work. Come October first. Now. Political reported this morning that White House chief of Staff Mark said. President. Trump could take executive action to help the airline industry. What could he do? Well, it's hard to understand how you could order them to keep everybody employed without also giving them the tens of billions of dollars that they would need. It's much. You can do that without congressional action on the other end. Jeremy was hard to imagine could extend unemployment benefits through simply executive action and of course, president trump did that earlier this month so who knows what they have up their sleeve but at this point sort of general promises to do something very unclear what that would look like an airline unions have expects expressed skepticism. That there could in fact, be any meaningful health without congressional act. And just as we ask you every time, how is airline demand? At this moment? It's well off its lows but much closer to the lows then the highs in fact, a pessimistic sign, every Sunday Sunday's usually the busiest day of the week. We'd been setting new records when you look at the TSA throughput numbers, people passing through checkpoints and to go up just a bit. But finally, this past weekend when I took a look at the numbers sure enough this past Sunday was just a bit worse than the previous Sunday ten times better than back in April, but right to those numbers into the old ones. That is here now transportation analysts Seth Kaplan said thanks as always. Thanks Jeremy. On any given day, you're probably thinking to yourself or to others what will my life and the chances for immunity against Corona virus look like in the future well in her latest piece four scenarios on how we might develop immunity to covert nineteen stat reporter. Helen brands well spoke with experts on what they predict for the next few months and years, and she joins us now. Hi Helen Hi Tania. Well, you number of experts to map out scenarios of how we might come to coexist with this threat and you wanted to make a point that these are educated guesses but they are broken down in four parts sterilizing immunity, functional immunity waning immunity and lost immunity. Let's start with the first scenario and that's sterilizing immunity. What is it? So that's the kind of immunity. That is what we associated with diseases that are kind of one and done. You can't catch some second time. If, you have that kind of immunity. You can't be reinfected with something and so I wanted to find out for you know for starters whether that is a scenario we might be looking at in terms of covert nineteen. Unfortunately. Viruses that infect through mucous membranes of the nose and throat typically don't induce sterilizing immunity. You know when you think about all the different kinds of viruses that cause colds we or influenza for that matter I mean we can contract these things multiple times over our lifetime, and so the experts I spoke to felt that that really is not likely to be the scenario for most people although one of the one of the experts I spoke to sit, he thought that some people might have sterilizing immunity That's interesting that some people might actually have this. There's so much to learn about this and how our individual bodies and make-up's work when faced with the virus like this. But there's one observation about sterling immunity as well that if an infection doesn't trigger it, then a vaccine may not either. Can you explain that? Right. So you know they're multiple vaccines in development right now as you just said I mean the thinking is that if our immune systems can't learn to develop complete immunity to respiratory viruses, then probably vaccines can't deliver that either that doesn't mean the vaccines won't be useful. You know as long as they are safe and effective, they could be very useful. But what they might do is turn disease that can cause severe pneumonia or death into something that causes a cold. So you know. Even. After were vaccinated this potential that we could still contract the virus but that our immune systems would kick into gear. So quickly that the symptoms would be very mild or almost you know in perceivable and you know the question would be would we have? Virus in our upper airways and would we spread it to other people? That's that's still unclear. But you know the notion that you could have a vaccine that would protect you know one hundred percent of the time is unlikely in this circumstance. Okay. The next case scenario is functional immunity and this is a more realistic scenario what could that look like? So I think we're actually starting to see that now as you will have heard this week, there are reports of Out of Hong Kong a out of a couple of places in Europe where where research groups are saying we have definitively confirmed a second infection in somebody who was previously infected the Hong Kong cases a is a good example. there was a man who had cove nineteen in March. He had very mild disease only three days of symptoms and he wasn't he was hospitalized because they were hospitalizing p all patients there to observe them but he was not you know severely sick He recently traveled to Europe and on his way back to Hong Kong he was tested. He was t he tested positive. He had no symptoms and that's what people think. Functional immunity might be like that. You could contract the virus again but that your immune system would remember it really rapidly and produce enough of an immune response very quickly that you would either have almost no symptoms or you know very very mild symptons and that you might not even produce enough virus to transmit to other people so. Functional immunity actually does exist it. There's a possibility that as more of US acquire it either through infection or vaccination that there might not be as much cove in nineteen spreading because you know the fewer people contributing to the spread The third is waning immunity, which which is very similar. It's a variation of what you're just talking about a functional immunity. Can you explain the distinction between this possibility right? So the way that one was described to me is effectively similar. You know you you would have your response might Wayne you know they'd measure they've been measuring antibodies to try to see how long antibodies are lasting, and you might get into a scenario where there was a measurable decline of antibodies but that on re exposure again, your. Your your immune system would remember this threat and would kick into gear. Again, you might have some illness mild illness and you might be able to transmit, and that's really where the big differences there than there might be more transmission going on from these mild cases, but they would be mild. I. Mean One of the points that several people made to me is they don't think people will be as severely ill on a second time a second infection as they would be on a first said really. You know if these predictions are right, you know your first bout of of Covid nineteen might be your worst out of Color Nineteen The last scenario is lost immunity. How probable is this scenario that we lose all IMMUNITY OVER TIME? you know the good news was that none of the people I spoke to thought that that was likely at all That that doesn't happen they don't think and everything they've seen so far about the way the immune system responds to this This pathogen makes it look like lots of other pathogens that you know. We do develop immune responses to it and and they do not think that you know the most healthy people would you know run the risk of having sort of their? Blackboard wiped clean a at a point. I mean I conceivably somebody who becomes immuno-compromised might be an vivid difficult situation. But in general terms for the for most people isn't a scenario I? Think we would face. I mean over time then does this kind of speak to almost to the first one about sterilizing immunity? It's not the same, but our systems might know how to deal with it. It become kind of like. The Fifth Human Corona virus to cause common colds kind of thing. Yeah. You know when these other F- therefore human corona viruses that do 'cause common colds. They all came into humans from animals at some point in history but none of them came recently, and so we never observed what happened when you know one of these things for started affecting people. It's quite conceivable that they did something similar to what's happening now, but it was before the age of virology. So. We don't know You know the thinking really is. Through vaccination our immune systems will learn how to cope with this new thing and it will just not be as severe. Restriction on US going forward. That's. Not to say, this is going to be quick because. You know the vast majority of the world has not yet been exposed to it and and vaccines aren't yet ready and when they are, it's going to take a long time to vaccinate billions of people, but but over time. This will not be the threat is now. Is that the big takeaway here after talking with all of these experts who are really deep and studying covert nineteen and where we we're headed to in the future. Yeah I think. So I mean I, it's been a long year as everybody listening will no and I actually found. Writing this piece quite heartening because you know. There's a lot of bad news associated with covid. Nineteen. But I I came away thinking. Okay know yes this is a rough period, but it's not gonna be like this forever and we. will learn to coexist with this virus. That's Helen brands well with our partners at stat, the health and medicine publication. Thank you so much for taking the time with us today. Through speaking with. The pandemic is making it harder for families to put food on the table according to feeding America the nation's largest hunger relief organization. One in six people may experience food insecurity this year that's up seventeen million people from this time last year but groups across the country are taking to the fields to address this growing need to pick and distribute fresh produce that otherwise might get left behind for member station K. C. You are in Kansas City Suzanne reports. The Sun is just starting to come up over the horizon were standing in the middle of cornfields in eastern Kansas and Zachary Calloway is giving a demonstration on how to Glean. Corn. A little small, but once you get down a few rows. You can see it gets pretty good. That's where like a kitchen pantry this chapel right off there and find gleaning is the act of harvesting leftover crops. The stuff that doesn't get picked for whatever reason maybe a machine just didn't get to it maybe it didn't make enough economic sense to harvest it because of changing markets or maybe it was just too small ugly to try to sell in this particular cornfield there is a lot of unpicked corn to glean. Simple as that, and then you'll do that hundreds and hundreds of times. And that's how we'll get sixteen hundred pounds of Corn Calloway is right here in a group of about ten volunteers, wearing masks and spread out distantly between the rows spend a few hours twisting coroner's office docs, hundreds, and hundreds of times, and by the end of the morning, they've got a van full of corn and distribute to nearby pantries community kitchens. It's kind of a no brainer. It's a win win across the Board Zach. callaway is an organizer for the group. After the harvest, it's an organization that Glean for farmers and gardens across the Kansas City area. This isn't a new concept. By. Any means humans have been gleaning for centuries and even before the pandemic gleaning groups across the nation, we're doing this work as a way to address food waste and hunger. But callaway says, the need to glean now is even more critical basically every pantry every kitchen every organization that we talked to has expressed that their client base has grown Kansas City agencies have increased their food distribution amount to record levels before the pandemic three, hundred thousand people were at risk for hunger but that number is now up by one hundred thousand people that includes one in four children in the community. To address this growing need after the harvest has been regularly calling on the Veg Squad folks like Mary dees the Badge Squad, the vegetable emergency rescue squad. The squad is a group of mostly retired volunteers who make themselves available any day to do emergency harvests all the ugly food goes to waste, and there's no excuse for that because it tastes the same they'll come. Out, and rescue produce after high winds, hail storms, heavy rains, basically the help in any situation to keep fresh produce from being wasted. My mother always said my girl in this country no one should ever go hungry according to the national gleaned group the Society of Saint Andrew. Eighty five, billion pounds of food have already gone to waste this year and counting it's a number. That just doesn't make sense to people like circled Berg who works at the Food Pantry Cross lines community outreach a social service agency in Kansas City Kansas. I think cleaning is kind of a way to say like there are solutions there's actually food in our country to feed these people decline produce they get from after the harvest is the main source of fresh produce they. Distribute to their clients they're feeding twice the number of people they were a year ago because of the pandemic carry fabric is a regular here at crossings Pantry I a lot of things that's in the wilderness she's homeless and says being able to count on the non perishable items and the fresh produce she gets from here is a huge help. Thank you God bless you. Beyond, the canned goods and bread her is stuffed full with tomatoes carrots a watermelon and she has a plastic bag full of peppers that after the harvest gleaned just yesterday at rich crafts farm and our north from here will take of pepper that had a little hole in it or it had imperfection they'll take it and thank you for it. In a way you go craft gave up trying to make money on his small imperfect peppers years ago he says offering his crop up to be gleaned gets at the root of what growing food is really all about for him instead of just throwing it away though actually taken need it. And that's pretty cool. I like that after the harvest has already gleaned over eight, hundred, thousand pounds of produce this year including rich crafts, peppers they say as long as there's extra produce out there and hungry people, there's gleaning to be done. For here. Now I'm Suzanne Hogan. We'll Tanya the political conventions. Remind us that broadcasting has changed a lot because of the pandemic. The same goes for radio listening habits, which means we have some people tuning into our show for the first time. So if you are one of them welcome yes com we're here every day bringing you the latest with the resources of The BBC and reporters and public radio newsrooms throughout the country. We're a team thousands of journalists working to keep you informed and we're supported in part by listener donations. So thank you. Yes. Thank you. Hear. Now is a production of NPR IN WB are in association with the BBC World Service I'm Jeremy Hobson Im Tanya Moseley. It's here now.

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COVID-19 Vaccine Is Still On Track For Early 2021

Coronavirus

07:01 min | 5 months ago

COVID-19 Vaccine Is Still On Track For Early 2021

"Dr Kelsey says he's optimistic. A vaccine will be ready by the end of the year president trump commits to a second round of stimulus payments and the European. Union, consider banning US travelers. Hello everyone and welcome to today in America Day round of today's top new stories. Here's your latest. Dr Anthony Fallacy the nation's top infectious disease. Experts testified before. Congressional Oversight Panel Today on the nation's response to the coronavirus pandemic. He told House. Lawmakers that the nation is experiencing a disturbance search of coronavirus infection, and that the next couple of weeks are going to be critical in the nation's ability to address the surges. We are seeing in Florida. Texas Arizona and other states Dr Fallacy told the House Energy and Commerce Committee that the picture is a mixed bag with some bright spots, but many dark clouds in unknowns, the coronavirus Task Force Committee also made it clear that they did not agree. Agree with President trump who last week claimed in an interview with Fox News that the virus would simply fade away Dr Robert Redfield. The director of the CDC called the pandemic, the greatest public health crisis. Our nation and world have confronted in a century and warned that the outbreak coincide with flu season later this year officials in the committee said progress has been made in confronting the virus including a vaccine that Dr Faustus said he was cautiously. Optimistic could be ready by early next year, although you can never guarantee at all the safety and efficacy of a vaccine until you actually tested in the field, we feel cautiously optimistic based on the concerted effort and the fact that we are taking. Risks, not risks to safety not risk to the integrity of the science, but financial risks to be able to be ahead of the game, so that when and I believe it will be when, and not, if we get favourable candidates with good results, we will be able to make them available to the American public as I, said to this committee months ago within a year from when we started, which would put us at the end of this calendar year and And the beginning of two thousand and twenty one Dr Kelsey, also said that the availability of testing in doctor's offices would be expanded by leave for the doctors were also grilled on President. Trump's claim to slow down testing because increase screening was revealing more infections and making the country look bad Dr Faouzi said that neither he nor any other official he knew of had been asked by the president to slow testing, and in fact, plan to increase testing as As new coronavirus hotspots are emerging. Some states are slowing down return to work plans, and even reimposing earlier restrictions on Tuesday Arizona reported a record, three, thousand, five, hundred, ninety, one new cases and forty two debts last week Arizona, Governor Doug ducey allowed mayors to make wearing a mask. Mandatory and their cities in Louisiana are limits will remain in place as the state locked three hundred ninety three new cases on Monday governor John Bel. Edwards said it would not be. Be Safe for businesses to reopen more fully. He noted that about ninety percent of new cases were coming from community spread, and not nursing homes in Maine. Indoor bars were set to reopen I, but the plan has since been scrapped in Florida. Department of Health reported nearly three thousand new cases on Tuesday pushing the state's total to well over one hundred thousand Florida Governor Rhonda. Santa's said bars and restaurants will be able to continue to operate must not exceed. Exceed a fifty percent limit capacity president trump has signed an executive order that suspense, the issuance of new work visas threat. least to end of this year. The sweeping order denies employment permits for hundreds of thousands of skilled foreign workers, including seasonal hospitality, workers and work study students. The president cited the pandemic, saying that the visa programs pose an unusual threat to the employment of American Workers Thomas Donahue of the US Chamber of Commerce said, putting up a not welcome. Welcome sign for engineers, executives, it, experts, doctors, nurses, and other workers won't help our country. Many technology firms which account for the bulk of the H., one B. visas responded to the band in a statement Amazon said that preventing high skilled professionals from entering the country and contributing to America's economic recovery puts America's global competitiveness at risk, Google chief executive also shared disappointment in the decision in an interview with a local news network president. Trump said he expects there. There to be a second round of stimulus payments, the president did not say how much or when the direct payments would be made We will be doing another stimulus package. It'll be very good. It'll be very generous. How much how much people want to know? You'll find out about the OFA. When are you going to do it? When you go to answer I think over the next I, think it's going to be bipartisan. I think it's. It's going to be over the next couple of weeks. Probably it, White House official told NBC News, a new round of direct payments is a part of something to economic team studying, but no decisions have been made yet last month. The House passed a three trillion dollar. Heroes Act that included another round of direct payments, but the bill did not make it past the Senate with leader, saying they wanted to wait and see if any additional aid is needed. Treasury. Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that he could see another economic stimulus package passing in Congress by the end of July, and said that he is considering extending to the tax filing deadline beyond the current July fifteen date, and lastly the. Union is prepared to ban American travelers after re-opening borders. Members of the European Union are haggling over to potential list of acceptable visitors both lists include China developing nations like Uganda Cuba and Vietnam, but not the United States in March when Europe was the epicenter of the pandemic president trump ban citizens from most EU countries from traveling to the United States in late May and early June president. Trump said Europe was. was making progress and hinted that some restrictions would be lifted soon, but nothing has happened. Today has largely curbed the outbreak while the United. States hold some more debts in any other country and twenty percent of the world's cases. This has been a roundup. Today's top news stories from today in America. Please support this podcast by subscribing cashbox, dot, io, or anywhere you podcast. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.

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Experts Foresee N500 To A Dollar, Say No Quick Fix To Forex

Newscast - Africa

01:32 min | 3 months ago

Experts Foresee N500 To A Dollar, Say No Quick Fix To Forex

"The affiliate podcast shares, the stories of multifaceted Africans. One episode at a time, the podcast aims to uncover the untold stories of modern and millennial applicants based in various parts of the world. Each episode gives listeners an opportunity to learn and experience conversations that showcase who they are and global perspectives in our ever changing world fish also listen and subscribe to the Athlete podcast on spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. You can also follow at athletes podcast on all social media platforms all listening to the news at this, our on Africa Business Radio economists, and financial experts have lamented the crisis rocking the naira and fall in foreign says saying if opera measures. Are Not. Taking the pressure on Iran may see it Heaton five, hundred, nine dollars. Soon, they attribute to the fall in the Paulo markets which heat for eight hundred it's della last week to the forces of demand and supply as well as over-dependence on oil as the major source of the country's external reserves. The experts also stated that continuous fall external reserves could have a ripple effect on the economy such as a rise in unemployment exchange rates continuous rise in inflation and reduction in production activities among other factors, and that was the news at this time when Africa Business Radio, you can't continue to listen online at www Africa business radio, dot com or via mobile APP. I am ratio she gender. Thank you for listening.

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How To Turn Your Ideas Into Reality?

Plan B Success

08:33 min | 2 months ago

How To Turn Your Ideas Into Reality?

"Reading seventy one and welcome back to another episode of Plan B success. When you lose sleep it's because of one of two reasons you're either wondering about something where you're so excited about something that sleep eubanks you. Let's talk about the ladder. I'd use our diamond dozen. Everyone has them. The, you're of a successful idea is hotly resists. Ideas of plenty. The willingness to act on them is less. And the ability to act is far less. Why do you think that is? An idea is what knocking on elected. As ideas that can solve problems and office solutions conceived. Visit Excitement and energy built around the. Only to stop fading away with the realization of what it would take implement the next Utah If you're someone has constantly curious mind and can conceive out of the box ideas. He proud of yourself. That's an excellent skill which will keep you on the edge of innovation. Many ideas remained dormant because people either do not summon the courage resources hyman energy take action. Or the generally unprepared to take them on. Taken idea to reality is no me task. Now, I'm not talking about the resources needed to do this. Even if you're someone ready to bootstrap or get creative, it's a huge responsibility that many may not be ready to digest. Though extremely difficult, it can be the most exciting journey Emma. And who better to take action, and then your ideas to life that yourself. After all it's your baby is. I it's important to understand the physical and intellectual energy it'll sat. Besides the mental toughness journey, they'll see from you. Of course, it's a continuous cycle since ideas are leaving that morph enrolled time. Petition timing are other things to keep an eye on. It won't be long before someone else has the same issue or perhaps a better one and mics cued foster that you right. Beginning with defining your problem and Space where the idea fits. This will allow you to test whether you're on the right track with your ideas. Next Rig the problem and conceived, solution down. into smaller. To understand them better. Allows you to just see the big Jim but the smarter yet important components to. It also throws light on impeding barriers humor otherwise not see. Spent time where you can get a personal experience audio out to solve. The closer you are to your solution lettuce, the more you understand it. Also hop to others in discover their opinions have discussions debates where they're conflicting obedience, and this someone blamed the devil's advocate. This will ensure you have not mine spots and sixty degree view of what you're set out to do. Finally always be open to continuous learning. Never. Tell yourself that you know in all are you are Now, let's review what is truly quite a few can would your ideas into reality? Find clarity and alignment. This goes back to what I always talk about and passion. Would you see as the purpose of your existence? This should be a common thread in brief foot how you live. What you do in order to keep you alive in your life vision and principles. At the same time matters you passion light. If your idea, find home between your purpose and action rest ashore you'll find ways and means of turning it into reality. This is what cried in alignment is all about. It's time to take your idea and turned it over its head. So you explicitly understand what in. Its benefits had to life and out goes. Focused and Organiz yourself. Up You have clarity it focused on the details and the big. Picture. Developed the capacity to scale up and down as needed in order to act on your idea. Defined the plan allocated time and use that time to execute on the plan. Learn, what to do I. And what next what steps will need to run in parallel? They find the time might reach stages of action and the end goal. Prepare for challenges and how to act on it when you faced. Old Time is spent on initial planning the wrong way it created ease of execution. Remember The best laid plans can be made it easily. So proceed with caution. Steer so that you're making progress. Next network and seek help as needed. Any initiative that is larger than yourself seeks a team of like minded individuals to come together in its realization. As I say Saddam yourself with better mind stand yourself. Bounce will fight years of execution and let the best come out of these discussions. Build a team with diva's strengths to help you bring your ideas to life. Room need on what's needed build the. Heated together and lead them on your plan. Finally, be open to change us as well. No idea is formed in its entirety at the get go. Be Open to come across challenges and Pats of change. I'd use ego and Morph as stopped taking action on. For, all. You know the end result maybe very different from starter. Yet it'll be in line with your principles vision anticipated outcomes. Idea Smith seen. As. Concede. What are they? Right? That's the. Imagination and creativity are rate for innovation no doubt. But for ideas to find frozen. Any to be limited, enacted a ball. Lies The immense value and benefit. Done right. I hope you like that episode enjoying all the episodes in plan B.. Success, guests. I agreed to go subscribe on your favorite platform, but it's any listening platform or youtube or wherever you listen guests made show you subscribe so that you enjoy this content. And extract from it what serves you best or benefits you in your own life. WHO's no professional business whatever it might be? Plan B Dot Light is the website where you can go in order to find any episode Soda Job, like to listen. To. Three times a week we release episodes. I being an inspiring interview with someone was done. It being there done that and can inspire you to go after what you want to achieve every Monday. That's the absurd that gets released. On then on Wednesdays and Fridays pick a topic and we talk about it in order benefit you and your personal and professional life. At the same time if you're someone who's interested in learning more. About these concepts. Just someone was interested in podcasting as well. GO CHECK OUT PLAN B.'s success school doubt. Dot Com. That's where all the online courses are. You can learn and benefit from them there as well as a bunch of free courses doesn't mention eight courses start with the free ones get to learn what you. Aspired to limb and if you want delve deeper and you can sign up for the other ones. Thank you very much.

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In sickness and in health

LoveLife Podcast

16:05 min | Last month

In sickness and in health

"Hi, I'm Doug Weiss. And I'm now the alliance. This is love life. Alvin we have a very serious topic to take on today and I don't mean to start this out on a low note but on a serious note off. Our topic is about sickness and in health, you know, we take those vows as part of our marriage ceremony that we will be there for each other in sickness and in health, but in that wonderful moment when we're looking in the face of the person we love we're not really thinking very clearly about what that really means commitment needs right and sooner or later. You know, we're going to be called on it it maybe hopefully for a long time nothing more serious than as it was the other day for me when Peggy said having come down with a sinus infection, sweetheart. I need some chicken soup wage. Help me. So I made a big pot of chicken soup. Not a big requirement, but there are other times in our lives when we are called on to do much more than that. I know that you have been through that not so much with Matt, but with your son absolutely and I thought I lost a wife to leukemia and was her caregiver for many years. So I think we've both had the personal experience of what it means to be with someone who is seriously wrong. And when it's your significant other your spouse the person you're in a loving relationship with it changes the character of your relationship wage can in a positive sense deep in it. Absolutely, but let's be honest. It's not it's not easy and it can be the end off. A relationship also. Yeah, so I would imagine you've probably been around this counseled on this subject. What are your thoughts? Well, it's interesting is I have actually been on the other side of it myself as in I have not had to care for Matthew while he was been ill. I'm very fortunate he is strong as an ox super super healthy in dog will thank God for that. I on the other hand had chronic anemia years and as a byproduct of some feminine related issues and not being able to get a handle on that. And so the blood loss from those really made the anemia significantly worse. So I had to do iron infusions and the fatigue was significant change. It really does take a toll on you and and it has the potential to affect the relationship and to your point in terms of the fact that we're all at some point birth. Other going to be cold on that there you do find out what your relationship is made of when all of the things that might have been true. When you first got together for reasons beyond your control may not be true right now in your relationship and you don't always know when there's going when and if it's going to be better and what it's going to require for it to be better. And I remember the kind of guilt I would feel about being exhausted and Mattis naturally very social not that I'm not but she cuz I do people for a living I tend to enjoy my quiet time when I get home met this technology for a living so he really enjoys being social when he gets off of that. And so sometimes I you know already feeling tired. Look would look forward to just having quiet time at home not having to do anything and he would be ready to take kind of ramp It Off. And I would feel guilty about the fact that I was too tired to go sometimes and used to quietly be concerned. I won't go so far as to say worried but quietly be concerned about if this doesn't get better, what will this mean for our relationship if the things we've enjoyed most together, I can't really participate in on the same level. So it really sickness has a way of really kind of taking us to the crossroads inside of our relationship and begging the question. Who were you going to choose to be dead and every relationship comes to a place where it has to answer that question. Who will you be is it just love when it all works or is it love even when it doesn't offer, you know, I was struck by the fact that when my late wife was diagnosed and initially with a precursor wage. To leukemia, but we knew that that was inevitable and it was a question of how soon will that occur is it weeks or is it month as people learned of this and for a long time Susan didn't want to talk about it to anybody off when it became known. A lot of people said to me and and said to me over the years that they were surprised at the fact that I made. The the business of my life taking care of Susan and quite literally put that first and my reaction was really surprised by that. Why should that be? Why should anyone be surprised that someone who loves another person puts their welfare office first that it wasn't anything in my mind. That was particularly Noble about it. And in fact, I've had I think I may have said this before in one of our episodes, but when I first happened we were not together. We were kind of on a pause in our relationship and the idea of of having to step in Rome wasn't one that I relished. In fact, then I met this openly I prayed about it. I thought about it and kind of said I I hope I don't crash. To do this. I don't want to have to do this. But I got a pretty clear message that I did that this was my responsibility to take on. And I learned only years later that from a very close friend of Susan's that one of the reasons she reached out to me when she learned that she was. Terminally ill but that she knew I had the will to help her. She knew something that I didn't know know about yourself. Yeah, I didn't know that I had the will to do that. In fact, if I had known what I was up against seven years of caring for her. I don't know how I would have dealt with it. But you put one foot in front of the other, you know, sort of accepting and in the beginning it was all about money. Can we cure her and we thought we had by the way, you know, after two years of unbelievable horrific treatment. We we thought she had reached that point where she was healthy and didn't didn't see coming the return of the disease which ultimately cost her life God, but throughout all of that. There was a process of learning at each step. What was required a, New Jersey You know, I have to say not in a noble sense, but that I found strength in being her surrogate strength. I don't know if that's true for everybody. I can't I can't I can't have an experience of one here. So I can't really, you know, extrapolate from that whether this is true for other people, but I do know that you know, we are capable of doing things that we don't truly know how we will handle until we get there. But I think that the the reaction that you got from peers Associates in the like who are very impressed by your commitment to Susan is not at all an unusual reaction and it's not unusual because of his sickness there. I almost feel like the reason that it was written in the valves is because here's one of the things that could potentially tear your marriage apart. And do you love this person enough wage do this thing that is going to run against everything that will come natural to your flesh. The flesh is not designed to want undue pressure pain suffering. Selflessness it's not designed that way. It's designed for pleasure and happiness and joy and ease and comfort. So marriage is about being able to love in spite of all of those things being committed in spite of all of those things and not everybody can do it, which is why marriages don't last per se and unfortunately and I don't make this a generalization where gender is concerned, but I will say to you that I have worked with several clients who have had chronic illnesses and how many Affairs began inside of relationships and their marriages when they were ill and their husbands did not know how to respond to that illness and was looking for the same kind of companionship. They once had with their spouse that they couldn't have with their spouse. They looked for that outside of the relationship and the women unfortunately. Came to know that that was a reality and felt guilty that it was their fault that their marriages were no longer truly a commitment of one-on-one because they somehow found a breach-of-contract by getting sick inside of the marriage and you know, we have a we have a celebrity example of that when Sheryl Crow it was married and God. What was his name? I was so discussion. Oh my goodness. I can see her face. Yeah. I'm drawing a blank. It'll come to us forgive us for that. But I was I was so disappointed that when after she had been there for him when she got cancer he left her. Yeah. So it's there's something about what that calls on on the inside of us that character seems to be very defining of whether or not you can handle it and what you did Douglas showed despite the pain. In the difficulty and the struggle that may have come with that. It showed character. Well be that as it. May I do want to say that when you go through this kind of experience together and Susan was treated out in Seattle had a wonderful Fred Hutchison Center in Seattle Cancer Care of an extraordinary quality of treatment out there. But but you get to know the other families that are going through what you go through you see them the hospital you see them in the clinics in the follow-up to that you go through classes before, you know, beforehand and after and everything from food safety to administer medications because when you're a caregiver, you are you know, the first line of defense right and you get to know the we got to know the number of people quite well one couple in particular wage. And it did not matter whether it was the husband or the wife. That was the caregiver. I found you know that quality of commitment the same the same quality was the same. So I was then and am still very shocked and surprised when people seem to feel that it's the abnormal thing right for one party in a relationship to stay committed to the other people in serious illness, especially when when you know going in that you're dealing with something or the odds are you know, the second Susan winced with three transplants the second one, which is the one that bought her some years back. She literally the doctor said quite quoting here. There's a 5% chance. This is going to work. So when you're facing those kinds of unbelievable odds, something has to carry you through that and your commitment. I think mm each other is part of that. I would agree with you completely and it's Lance on Armstrong that we were looking for in terms of the name. Thank you, but it's I mean there's there's there's so much to be said for the realities that come with it. No one in any form of fashion is suggesting that it is not an incredibly large bucket to carry off and carrying it on your own is a very intense process, but I will say for those who go through it Those who commit to it. I have never met anyone who has regretted having been there for their partner and many of which I know some wonderfully and wildly successful people that it is actually the thing off. Most proud of in their life who they were able to be to someone that they loved who desperately needed them and it meant the selfless choice of committing to this to this way of loving time. I love through service. I think you nailed it. I think you nailed it. I think that is when we have the opportunity to be our best selves off. That's another episode of love life sickness and in health and sickness and in health, we know this will happen in our lives, but we hope when or if she does for you that perhaps this this episode is some some help to you. Yes, we'll be back next week with another episode home somewhat lighter topic. We want to thank you Maria our producer. We want to thank to aadhar recording engineer and you are listeners and if you'd like to write to us and, on this show or offer a thought about another please do so. You can reach me at Doug at love life or alvian at love life.

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The Future of Communication Over the Internet

Future of Tech

55:21 min | 3 months ago

The Future of Communication Over the Internet

"Welcome to the future of tech hosted by Charlotte Division presidents of AMDEX, technology in this podcast sits down with technology leaders and some of the most innovative minds in the industry to learn how they are disrupting the present and what kind of impact they see for the future. No topic is off limits. So sit back relax and maybe take notes because what you here on this show might just be a glimpse into the future. Matthew Hodgson. Is the CO founder Metrics Dot Org and C. E. O.'s slash. CTO of new vector and he thinks the way we communicate in business government and personally is broke. But he also has a way to fix it. He believes that the future of communication is through the decentralised. And flexible encrypted open source network, which is exactly what Matrix provides whether it's the French government hundreds of universities around the world or others. There is a shift happening in how people are interacting a matrix is at the center of it. All Miss Episode Matthew Explains how a why all these customers are finding value Matrix with host average Charlotte, and guest co host Marty Friedman, the head of ambled ventures. Future of tech is brought to you by amp docs, tech and box tech is an Zarin rnd and technology center paving the way to a better connected future by creating open innovative best in class products. In continuously evolving the we work learn and listen to learn more about them. DOC's visit the technology page on Lincoln. Come to future of tech and today's session I have two distinguished guests I have. Matthew. Hodgson. And Marcia Freedman had the ducks venture. Matthew is currently serves as the technical co founder of metrics, Dot Org, and also as a and city of new victor. Previously, served as. The head of unified. Communication. Inam dogs and back then I believe that you the two of us met several times discussing what seems to be something that the daily practice today, which is unified communication and HD video maybe take us to start with besides saying hello and how are you to those days and and share with us a bit about your background. Thank you very much for having me on the. Pleasure to be. Talking inside I'm the again and massive thing I think you might have been a few weeks into the job. Exactly. I just joined the company. Yeah. Literally just come on both when you Allston made with us, be trying to validate setting up the unified communications business inside I'm ducks and it is a very unusual situation and that we had a team here in. London. Schlitz? Boy. I think the question quiz weather we could stand alone and take am. Development that we had going and building at the time, very groundbreaking video of Ripe E. Islas. androids and actually turn it into a product line said end up six and critically says it's up as Nikki, bites at sauce up. So I guess you'll history was coming from rats vision at the time if I remember and inside. Is Not, the main. Ships, and opinion on videotape. Awesome. True. True. I also remember the we had a quick quick beer over there. A chick was a nice beer. and. We sure some snippets from our common history. Who would it be right if a- to say that this is to an extent something that was back then I remember it was for sure something revolutionary today's like. Common practice and everybody's using. Those kinds of technologies. I would say, so I mean then. I think. About the time Google. Was Producing Wet Belsey See island that was quite an interesting in the up to that point we had been setting a voice and video sdk that. Any APP developer to embeds very high quality, real time communication, and so that APPS and Google meanwhile winston the gipps, which was has been eric some to create this that knowledge could about save the MT five million dollars and they unexpectedly gave away entire intellectual property as I've used to those embedding it insight from a night's embezzlement Folks. So, the anyone browser suddenly had the ability to high quality video. So at that point, it went from being quite some niche in groundbreaking product besetting launched licenses to. People to use that apps suddenly becoming completely commodity. Thanks to give knocking the mets about the frustrating thing is that I call it wasn't Qantas's goods is what we have and invents still not the best on the market. One of the reasons that is so successful as days as they did that think they didn't build on top. Of el-sisi and so there's still some value with. The key thing Is that it has become a much more conventional. Thank. The device media calling in. Our remote would focus woth. It becomes released in Boatswain's. communications at this. Just on a day-to-day basis. So go bits ahead of the curve and out with us and we ended up his saying that's work in building the white unified comes brought up and the OCCC offering that would allow Tokyo's to be its way of zoom lots telegram. Some hangouts movies of the communication tools and that was I think the world's successful an Tokyo in find communications products I guess. In a slightly different votes in the the emphasis though mole on snapface based unify comes in Tokyo comes but batances by a lot of subsequent work, a Matrix, his Co... Before you run, we were we were chatting and and saying I was saying that you're one of the most mission driven people that I know clearly what you're doing today and Matrix is different than judgy unified communication. How how were you able to? Say but revolve. From one vision and to something that is The. So so mission driven today, maybe you can describe what that mission is. And how you got there. Show I mean in some ways, it's by necessity. So I think from two thousand and. Two thousand fourteen we focused exclusively on the unifying comes products in front. And we sold it successfully. Big Tab focus such as commentator in Brazil tender so Opening say would say and it was successful. Awesome and incidences on the apple much good Blah in Brazil and with pretty happy because they deployed carrier grade since Latian that April using. Money from. For. However as time what's that had Monte blown six is market penetration and Brazil. We needed a different strategy they even though we had incredibly strong position. In dozing outs a telco. Unify comes products it was the basically we're trying to find on their own battlefield except they already had a massive massive advantage just genetic network effect. I. Think on bed about four, hundred, million uses. Now they have two billion users on the network. So I mean, that's getting does lodges is the fight, network itself and we felt that we will not use a we need to thirty different strategy if we going to compete at sign level. So we went and came up with this mission, which was basically to try to create a missing communication that the web because the web originally was meant to be a real time read Ryan environments that should be as easy to publish a to be able to exchange messages anybody on the open web and have the same kind of vibrancy and developer ecosystem that has made the web. This incredible thing today if you look at the web at Superintendent Twenty trillion dollar industry simpleton. Google ends Amazon and Ebay and all other valuable. The world exist in the same ecosystem and that does not exist for communications. Until instead you have these little silos, I- artists by zoom slant or schools, or whatever. It says none of them have been platform, which you can build on top of and reach the operation of the Internet. There is just no good lund's email It was in shop and honestly we started thinking about at the end of two, thousand twelve was are they can unify cones and king. Hey, this. Is Okay in his great sled helps run the business handouts. Handouts the giving us out, Gin. and. Can we actually style of the building yet motorcycles? And trying to take on the big pitch explicitly the only way to convey something what's up would be to create a global network to create an equivalent to bitcoin relative to pay pal or some of payments provider of financial services entity done that. So we thought it was worth a good with as a team with being together since two thousand two. So getting on for ten years now, and we hid boats on suffered set and session initiation practical the old school. Standard but builds on top of HVAC. Free. Standard they truthful. MBA's. Ricco. standard basically every both technology either experts before Abraham, about take everything we learned. On they will be open spending the whole incident. It's on today's web technologies that any web developer he knows how to head Yaro. We'll be able to use this message, receive a message and those avoid or any other literally be the missing Proton communication of the websites. So there's emission there to try just lying I. Guess Tim, Ben Isley has mission with the web to go and. A documents fabric that was available to everybody and accidentally man that it could run applications at this time Amish. Again boats a communication left everybody. Philanthropic mission in its enright we. Do have a nonprofit foundation, the Matrix Foundation which looks off to the ended the network. As soon. Said I'm also see of new vaccine, which is a salsa profits to building on top of this, and we also to be a bit like Netscape in the elevated the web. First Meshal Company convincing a human face on this very abstract geeky idea and making it in something that normally uses canoes and literally making the revenue profit at the same time. So. In some among young ridiculously mission driven and is ready to get up in the morning and know that eating. A The kid encrypted communication fabrics for the benefits everybody. So for instance, I had the government up on day saying we have closing what about schools on Monday ends me needs to take every. coached. which is up in the north of Germany. we would like to get a matrix. Have Online education said video conferencing chat rooms, starring nights, and having a flank elaborations. The teaches in the people's that some. Days to do that and suddenly. The. Curb to. The weekends getting them set up one, hundred ten. Uncomfortable Positive is I guess a paid opportunity but also the reason that coming to us is because they want to control that in communications they wanted to to run it themselves that running an ounce of bait senses in Hamburg way they on which due to a to protection is a necessity when dealing with it kids A. Sex Workers, and we all the only solution Aba that announced people run the and communication infrastructure security was also participates in a global network the kids in those schools until it's Evanston Germany until to in France universities, I had the minds dot Edu. The Colorado School of Mines has also Gone Matrix Unser. The showtime kicks on Monday also other that it was done by the students rather than buy us Interested the opportunity So lot to. Maybe maybe wants to Beck So we've just mentioned one example, which is a good thing. I believe to to better understand or clear the difference between. The in front of the solution that you are a spearing as opposed to alternatives no need to will mention other names just you know. The concepts behind them. So the same phenomenon or the same solution that you just brought up for the German government can be treated in various ways what will be the difference in them, approaching you guys as opposed to. Other solutions out there. So the key three differences that made its status affinity so that they can run this themselves. They couldn't run it in the clouds. They could Augusta run it will they can just run in Iran crap to they can run on premise. Flexibility just like on email, I could use GMO run exchange I could run my own mail so that it's up to me. So that's the executive. Secondly is encryption. We have incredibly strong state to the OP-. Derived from signal. ABLETT's Amelia said that coats at J.P, we rammed them into the as a licensed insoles, projects and tended to support loud group communications. And then finally, the participate in a network. So if you as a using slack ferns teams to communicate and. Nowadays. You can communicate just about two episodes lax. You might be able to federate with other teams, but you'll still stuck inside a single vendor, a single deployment light snack. Office x five whereas metrics you are accessing phonetic, which has got at fifteen onto million uses at about forty thousand deployments, and some of those are massive dade entirety the French a bit sex uses matrix as its communication to RAV using Telegram or it could be a technical organization by Mizzen Simmons either against is ironically what's left of Netscape vs there is and they just transferred all vacuum indication on Matrix over the last few weeks. or it could be two of universities in schools. So in Holland the Netherlands I should say there is an organization could serve is the public sector academia provides it and they do the computes thing and email ninety for all of the universe I can have a to university. Voter and they provide matrix as offering knows well. So hopefully gives the flavor of wine. Gemini is looking less Rav than fraying on money at slack, Zoom, or Microsoft's an for out sentences more conventional offering more likes the over Nash's it. Okay. So we talked a lot about technology. Let's pause it and ask you some personal. You know items a bit about your history. You know where, where, where did you study where you always based in the UK? Have you ever worked somewhere else I know that you're flying lot not now but you know previous days but the give us gives us some big roundabout You know, how did you meet technology? How did you come? To the point where it show. so I started off. From an education perspective at the University of Cambridge where the Matrix and go team mess at universe steel through friends of friends I was originally doing physics however, I might have made a mistake shortly before joining university I he. And I went Kim Bahrain and. The company and that in the time. By a man. down. The. Out. Fully foreign companies at the time have no income tax. They had abrasions extra memory, and so it's quite an interesting economy starts up, incited it with two other English. It ended up there at doing a and stuff. So quickly, the other pages barring and just kind of ironic given. And started its life. How. We did As Multimedia cd-rom months he said. Something and the web was not as rich as opposed today may raising any anyway to get videos of the Meridian and those lots of ever. Tells things and have my spouse to metairie would be out cd-rom. So everybody entering the country on goals. So I did that is kind of fun to be CTO Delta seventeen eighteen live road was I. Think I might have been one of the youngest business starts in the Middle East at the time. And then Tina Dusty physics degree on at ten South University isn't that awesome Sympathetic joins to run outs up in the middle. East. So ended up spending a Sunday a my physics until the very strategic is great at Pepsi Should Dick Decides. Which is fine. Once I moved I've is compete signs a degree. And At about the same time that actually moved on the political situation buffering change. So you mean, if you study physics, you can do stops at the same time but computer science is something that you along the way. You can also start ups and other things. This is very encouraging to all of us. Yes I don't too much trouble university if. Cup on this tiny as. I think definitely not allowed to work was your statement Metal Company. At least. I meant more something like is a side job. You can do many things while studying computer science because it's not the real science and Physics Israel signed so you can't do anything. I wouldn't say that I'd say to compete decides is definitely science, but it does help if it's aligned with the thing that you'll Dan is your day job whereas because the context switch between in building technology for in the end by with three separate starts up such university. The morning Bob Crane is one is very matrix that was who silicon all college or a unified communication architecture, but was kind of dreams of how you can have unified platform physics, engine patients, which is. Similar to what we do now, and then the third one ironically was a lot of the Reagans website expense. That's how I am and all of them May. Bragging of us a lot easier to be messing around boating. I think the website was one of the top hundred is sites the. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand, and one when the film's being made extra west and it was fascinating to that helps a red meridian. great and I did that the six months actually officer graduating before I met with the. Basic. What today? who was inability to guns albuque- Intel Communications. So all of them are computer gigs or some of that came from physics as well. I'm good point. Actually people were all over the place and caught a lot of mathematicians. A couple of get sons assists but not that many. We all have an I kind of Hopkins. Myself. Physicists. are in the minority up a lot of math knows as they get coupes. Engineering people as well. So it was awesome. Basically in your age of and the company starts at as many stocks to buy a hiring mates and the university who'd they notes be goods, and then the people the low and then the people in the abloh either people they known the nine yet and. Starts by this typically where a bunch of a priority in your chopper as incompetent university. Good Mushy I. I mentioned the the beer time with Matthew. How did you meet Montiel hot? What was your first encounter? Arthur. Actually also alcohol. Down the block from the Austin, there's a nice whiskey shop where or Matthew helped helped us choose with from all over the world which was great and seems to be A. Character. It appears that if all encounters with you, matt, you are around alcohol. I'm not sure that This is the you know people listening to the podcast may may feel that this is what you're doing during the day you know taking people to drink tragically, we have A. We didn't have the for. Lots of Munson. Might explain how he did so well at recruiting. So many people from university if the many remember that. Muck Nice I think that we have a particular alcohol head coach. Of The people might have taken bits of the student lifestyle used in. The web play spits nowadays grown up and responsible for sure Matthew, had had you balanced. Your clearly going through your personal history. It's great to hear how you know the anecdote kind of build a story. Now, the each individual building story along the way. Yeah. How balanced but that storyline became the mission? With with building a business. You know you don't see it every day you see a lot of missions you see a lot of business. And then. We talk a lot internally about Google mission of do no arm. As being as being a flop, not really violated more than. You could say Violated more than it's kept. But Yeah how do you balance? It's really hard for the companies to balance mission and commercial. How do you balance that as you as you've grown you know into Germany and Holland and. Interference across the world. Mean it's excellent question I think it's caught a new issue in the way in which we all trying to balance this I mean going back to the analogy of the web, you have to completely separate units responsible to the responsible for the holidays the. and and said. Solution. Then conveyed. Day You ball country. Money different indecent outfits. Where been now, five six we have to totally separately glances Matrix Donald Foundation in the exit civil with an awful lot of legal. And working with the community in Matrix which has got thousands of developers. Hundreds of companies, building different products and trying to establish the grand rapids for what the kind of Charleston of the foundation should be. I felt like being Hamilton Guy in China. Right the constitution as. For the Commission and. You got an rates metrics doubled slash ambition, and on my own science identified. The things that the foundation tries to do, which is to be neutral to anybody building up with the technology make it. To everybody an open platform network and critically we haven't myself haven't been. Found on Matrix. Based around the votes unified communication students. Is a MBA. Responsible Business I'm gate bang pieces tokens much and what speed it was. But also in the minority of the we have five Rx pins and the up the free off from the wider industry and had no connection or interest whatsoever in. Nevada So he deliberately handed over control of a foundation to the white degrading. With. These. As the kind of Geeky over the safety net and one of the key things for them to protect the ecosystem from. Dominates it sabotage including US today including us in future because we just like the web, there is room for lots of big players and. If the. Dominated by a t and T, or Google, rights at the beginning, it would never. Say never again prudish never. That the. mission. That's what we've been trying to build for Matrix to make them show that nobody can sabotage it including US those separately. Providing suffer service and professional services on top of the Matrix as pay doctrine. Talking to other people do as well which they do. So I have one observation in one question. So the Guardians Concept probably taken from Lord of the Rings, you know, Guardians of the Ringa. Hopefully. I will not I will not ask is the Lord of the Rings but. Can you you mentioned the openness you mentioned decentralisation can you take us through the concept of the decentralized web? Use It what what's behind it, and what's your kind of vision and dream? Show I mean. So Matrix is, of course, a decentralized communication bicycle, letting all these different deployments to one another without that dating any central Puns of control all authority within the network and as such it's the opposite subsites slack. When everything is just controls, I won't company says incident from Patty. And we see on the web ironically, today's web is decentralized. In lots different websites, different vendors different from Brazil has different provinces. So. The web today is decentralized. However, we've been sitting the pendulum swing and more tripping controlled by a handful of very big ties to the of everybody else. So face ends smoothly. CRATES INTERNET DOT ORG initiative. A curate subset of the incident approves. Them. Google occasionally comes up with things like. or The new changes which if tried to give them a disproportionate level of control over the S&P, building a liar on top is controlled by them Microsoft infamously. On Robe is Internet's explorer Chines, may I e six the kind of synonymous with the web and make almost Microsoft project deliberately or otherwise that was the direction it was going, and that is incredibly dangerous to have any single company with that amount of control over something on the mental as. Old, wet. and. Sadly with facebook and sume of a centralization networks, you can see the kind of abuse best hands that it can happen that if you have a single company controlling a huge chunk of how people communicate, then that company might stop to Optima his full engagements over the quality and be more interested in. Seizes to come back and keep clicking on Hanson getting ads Rav the than ever considering whether this is for the benefit of the MDA's of themselves and Famously with Amber China. Led SOKAIA and other Interesting. Privacy breaches and almost. Issues propaganda, Fake News, and information dissemination on facebook whether if billy just optimized to show people the thing that will shock the best. The most engagements can end up being the next essential threat to civilization frankly insensitive getting people in a position where they are A. Tearing? Each. Other. Going believing everything they read on facebook where the information feeds in given us the one that was intended to prevent the biggest reaction get. More, so Listen completely innocent I believe on facebook site they just wanted to optimize with Griffin's they have the investors on saying in the ADS. On the mice appetizing matheny aside, we do that. The. Most salacious content spoons. beat the rhythmic is not even a conscious even position because look people started clicking on need more of Nova happens as the heavens peyton substance hammed you end up with some very toxic own this. Happening, and that is a gusty gum-chol is danger of centralized ecosystem. So what we're trying to do is almost reading centralized control heading it back so that there can be no single entity optimizing full at revenue retention and instead let everybody play their own rules. If you want to build something, I'll matrix and silence and optimize for different. But then you have a monkey glorious, which can bounce out somebody else can provide a different offering which paid Rafa uses actually it's pay rather than being the products themselves and may the best product win An. An ecosystem where you can have a plurality of different philosophies, N- approaches, and Kanye's massively more healthy situation been than have a centralized approach and everybody else looking to decentralize spice now with the on their cryptic references whether that's the decentralized social networks like Master Dome is Angeles. Communications. Matrix? Decentralized Florins Lot Ethan, which is a question of read it. This is based on the idea of removing anything will central of artsy from the mix so that it's that humans can make up in a mines and made mistakes. Companies can make the Ramos eggs routes in everybody being beholden. So the errors of. Big outset like facebook and just also provides an opportunity for everybody else. I hear you interesting how communication at how you as you painted the picture communication and the basis? For a lot of what building we'll according to. The middle of a run out again in a Ma got my my kids downstairs doing You're learning all of a sudden for the first time and. You know we're doing this zoom because we can't be in the same room as as flights have been bell. It's interesting. When you built it did you think you think communication would be as pervasive as? And as accepted as an today or did you did you make a bet? we took a bath on sleep back in the early days when anything but yeah left need. One of the guys quit and he was responsible for all of our treaty forums. Videos and his reason to quit saying Wednesday just didn't believe anybody with advocate. And to be building in actually ahead of the curve building, this the three years and. The intensity as A. Takeoff. I. Know that the quality of the moment is it's like ten seconds on something signs of stage. And the future Beca to do it because I do it on Star Trek such is the Vicenzo obviously it's and honestly, it wasn't bad because video is strange. Even now I'm starting in the camera among blacktop rather than looking at your video because I'm trying to maintain minded site with you. The. Is instead is horrible up and said this. is where I'm going to be starting to your S. Check. My eyes are up here my i. Just have that. Technology of edibles. So I always assumed that particularly his correction as code was going to be so stop it because people would navigate you wave of looking at people want to. Be Starting to try. To. Go for instance, I've got eastern a bit like people get used to the LANC on voight or the breakup that you sometimes gets vote if you have back activity so bad I'm kind of glad to we predicted have worse. WASTE OF TIME ON THE VIDEO But really cool I guess what we obviously the shift from it being a really useful thing that can really help business to literally being an existential requirements and the As transitions disputing or transitioning, being removed, and so this hope and Lesotho and saying, Hey, guys, it's interesting time for us because suddenly remote communication is on good. I. Have absolutely existential for everybody on the race is all they can gun provides that technology really good quite so ever. Philosophical question and down to Earth One. So the down to Earth one would be, what would you advise? Let's say the the tentacles of the world in terms of. Moving forward when it comes to the metric concept of the decentralized concept is the more down to earth and the philosophical one or let's say the According to the naive one is it's it's it's cool that you have this concept. Much reality shows you know that the the end of the road you mentioned some of the names with two billion. USERS versus forty million. and. So do you really believe this forty million can grow to two billion? or Or is it just you know this endless Knew that keeps Vision in you know not a nice future. But at the end of the row, the giants would win the would win the game and and. As as much as we want it, it will be like A. Play by play, which is very contained to a small group of fuel tens of millions of V of that Steve Kerr. I mean excellent excellent questions and so Tokyo Speaking probably with my matrix that will catch on and I don't show unofficial position as almost admendments. One of the reasons we built some Matrix is the with I'm see we will try and sell it to Tokyo. And at the time, I'll cs rich communication services was the official in the was pushing as a way to do Richard Communication on this. Yeah. We in fact, implemented it and the implemented offsets. On Integrating. It with the stuff that subsequently became matrix and advertise it really wasn't a great experience for many many many issues but bossy as at Elegy for instance, very s recall these have had success fly mess rollouts and have been some humidity at various different ways and Matrix was deliberate Nietzsche Reaction Zeh if you're doing something Laos. Yes. But not using any of the tokens dakyns that using web stack Builds a global network advanced the? Top of the Internet and that was. Interesting after THEM TO SET UP NEVADA AS A. Independent Company to focus on Matrix we. Haven't having telcos comes with a typically people who've been a ceiling as you can find comes unsuccessfully specifically Eliza detailing token Finland's when it's and said Hey we want to rollout a unified communications brought up the the country binge fire is now going live as we speak on various iterations funding cycles and things, but it's on the on the doors of. Right. Now this month long. And Way Say that there is an opportunity for the. Internet style approaches and complementary to the STI. You can have bridges between. NASA seven and the conventional even six numbering system in the phonetic as well as this brave inroads on the Internet, and I said very much like a ban getting and we played around and stood some oceans of major financial services. People ever opens or even Jack Balkin going and getting involved in the subway pricey decentralized finance. And somebody we see. But they're Tokyo's to get ahead of the and have concerns about CS a judge from Google and sends Abedin unsuited take on the network infrastructure and instead come to us. We've got through Votto of the station happening now whether it becomes west to say, Hey. Get involved on the of Matrix carry. As a Yankari so Obviously, the people will come and do that the key differences day come to us. Now back when we talk sees the, we went to stay Nazi them if he catch up and we will tried to tell the Tokyo's at night, you must buy embassies. And we put into them and they would say hang on but we want to have Garissa accept. It doesn't really exist a word of the US what we want soon, it was always a little bit of an organization. Or is not the tokens comes West we hope that they will continue to come to. US As. A. As basically, a purely organic model is it grows. A free flow of the lost year eighteen, fifty million years is now but that's literally troubles and last year alone and the triple the before. We got a nice exponential growth athletes they will want to get in both I wants to come bulls and that isn't just the enthusiast always change to believe. My Colin, it's just making of the numbers of. People. Doing. Before you go to the next one. So Masha. I see telescope behind you and I was wondering when you looked into the into the web. Galaxy. And found the star call the Matrix in Matthew what what what what was your vision when when you first talked to those guys? Division vision. Investment genuine support. Small is Were we like mission driven companies mission driven. Companies. cracked. Extraordinary talent people who believe in something tend to work a lot more and smarter and you get to bring people who you can recruit above your weight. With. Urban captains and that's something that we that we literally fell in love with the the drive the the other element that that we continue to be super excited about is. This idea of freeing communication giving it back to to the people is is something that is extremely powerful in a in a security focused environment like we have today privacy, Tokyo insecurity, Focus. Who are these people who have access to all of our communication? Why don't we take it back and there's an element of privacy and security. There's just going to get stronger and stronger as company to get bigger as these goliath get bigger and bigger that we think you know to quote a CO investor of hours in a different company there's real product Zeitgeist set. With what Matrix is doing, it really aligns with with how I think people feel about the digital info. So to an extent, you see Matthew or the modern David Fighting Goliath of the world. That was a good story I. think that that I like the netscape analogy. Is kind of a combination of netscape. And Internet in one. with a big vision which which is really. Okay. So now let's go back to Matthew. So you're about to address the the nave aspect of of Trying to to beat the goal is of the world with your slingshot. Yeah, I mean. I guess depending on the network effects that we have basically the. Network outlive communication and it's not just a mission for as a consoles project. So as as a thoughts on top of that. Its. mission. For the entire community Matrix who said Arsenal leads but movement like a spas and another good analogy is the transition from the exists alike. Eiriksson scenarios going visit US Lennox in the nineties, and if you look at market share it actually over almost ninety ninety-eight sides in the case of two years. The If you have something that is open and free intractable and has a lot of very enthusiastic excited tech is gonNA building on top of it thinking it's exciting thing. Than, you can suddenly displaced incisive. I forget when the is of this thing to happen on ninety seven something in that timeframe must be like ninety, eight, the literally. Everybody's on. Solaris on a big science bright seven. On Stephens looking graphics, running eggs, and getting these HP boxes running HP so these. Are Six thousand running aix, and the idea that they buy before grace. But be unthinkable because everybody and by the saints naturally is everybody's buying ready as running limits. The scope for really some of the transition a- T is probably five ten years but. Just because we have an ideology on outside if wanting to give control to be. and. It's almost a bottom up approach where you have greenfield's activity. From a consensus enthusiasts. You acted seems you should make sure it's and then we'll awesome down prejudice from governments. You say hang on I. I didn't really want communications setting instead of combat eight I'm French. Embarrassed on the mandates an. End Between. The two we. Get. More movie basically the. A metal saying on a second I'm hearing this here on hand. To people in government that might be on the Census and it hopefully spreads throughout society. It's a big. Your jest that. We've started with your with your example about the. German Government using no metrics do you see now the Koran Phenomenon pandemic is is something that will boost the matrix exception and the vision of this decentralized the open capabilities. Karen has amazing potential stay unfortunately for the West reasons of course The thing that will hold us back honestly and as little teddy I tend not necessarily being a wildly enthusiastic founded identity cynical in so. Some critical the IFA, our biggest risk is the most technology matrix is great. The applications built on top of it particularly riots which affectionate acts of Disney. Bax. Still, not quite the same level of Polish in user experience incomes expects from. Zoom. Against Whatever Bait and in some ways, it's a slightly frustrating situation. The if that was embraced, it should be complete. No brainer every university in school and business in the world to becoming Matrix solution rather than fried moment in says all slack. So that is. It's the biggest opportunity with had yet unfortunately. So I'm almost using it as a rallying cry for the same to say, Hey, guys if he can get a narrow than is a be transformative trout, take it the network. Until then it people who are really Lindsay's he asked for the technology line universities directly. Coming. Up Yesterday's fun people to gotTa Crossland. I ask you totally unrelated question sure and we talked about Star Trek and and Lord of the ring the as as the. US are areas of each peration for me. What are you watching now at what you've you? How do you see? What giving you the inspiration for the next five years because if anything how media. How, how global media create? Innovation. Fees Innovation over debt. We're all talking about you know beat me up Scotty after twenty thirty forty years. Right What what where do you find your inspiration today and Matthew WHAT SHOULD WE BE? Like nowadays. It's like. Fiction does inspire. Real Science and it's very strange vegetables local. You see why people like Aussie clock getting inventing the concepts of satellites and mobile phones. People. Than the funds slave and guess, we kind it about checks. Humanity. But we do advocated conference. We need to have holograms. And sense of all I'm watching and reading the. Have that much time of intense to. Deeming that Food Matrix ends. Nevada. BOTs. That said on the inspection side of things I, probably wouldn't go see film as the inspirational right. Now, I have to say my sense that ready plan one is quite interesting BIF-. Mode Suzuka version. The book is much better. But I agree. By the way we we might find ourselves in the game of thrones you know if Things continue this way. Sifi, but an. Article by political. Matthew on our kind of wrapping up and finishing on a personal basis we spoke about all of tough spark and enthusiasm and stuff coming. To work as an enterpreneur what about the downside of being an entrepreneur? What about the those moments that you are thinking maybe this guy with h three to four. Was Right. Good question. Think. When when we started matrix and? I actually reached out to the guy who supervise me Cambridge, back in the second a guy called Amtrak's and he went creates. The in his research prepo Cambridge the bachelor's ation products, and he set up a up which eventually celts attracts ends about as. because he was convinced so bad when he was just a running and the. Research. And he actually mental s on an instant messaging bots on the. Projects and actually associate and I said to him hand thinking of doing this. Do you happen by? And Do, you want to invest His advice was very, very useful which was to say I have to say team is the highest will always save much much higher than they really are, and the lowest will always say much much love than they really are, and you should just gun weather and just keep guy and certainly delays can be pretty miserable. Neither been points a funding has been challenging. It's unusual messenger, the nature of the projects COMES, and almost every one of them was behind on you're doing something like slack but you'll business model is not the same as fact, how can this have We invest in passes. As just jobs and his break, and therefore we need other things identical to slack and there was. I'm. Pat. The wrong people but eventually, that can get pretty frustrating in easy. Oh, money dying down and. Runway coming to an end the. Find the right people in. Sofa we've banished. Instead Anytime Kunas, but at the time and stress levels and the absolutely massive and most I could say that. We will have constant positive expressions. CEO is going to be fine and believe in ourselves. Everybody's just human. I had done with David. I hate is probably about three months of any left now and bruins three months notice and Luna streets did. So we've had a couple of nemesis antidote sued. Richard Down South will just scraps. Things have been drops on the floor which apparently miserable, but then we also have. Spending says, Hey, we think you'll great wants. To fight million uses and say, okay. Must be doing something, right? Perfect. So for me I, I will adopt the after all. We'll humans I think that the this is a great. A great line. It was a pleasure meeting. You Matt you once again next time hopefully face to face. Yeah. I. Hope so much on the. Same great catch up again after shine and thank you. 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The Future of Digital Transformations

Future of Tech

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The Future of Digital Transformations

"Welcome. To Future of tech hosted by Charlotte Division presidents of AMDEX technology in this podcast, Ashley sits down with technology leaders and some of the most innovative minds in the industry to learn how they are disrupting the present and what kind of impact they see for the future. No topic is off limits. So sit back relax and maybe take notes because what you here on this show might just be a glimpse into the future. For more than twenty five years, Tony Saldana helped lead the digital transformation of proctor and gamble a company that is ranked thirty fifth on the fortune five hundred generates more than sixty, five, billion every year. With so much steak every move, Tony Mate had massive consequences and the new technology introduced had the potential to create massive ripple effects I'm over nearly one hundred, thousand employees today he is president of transform it where he is sharing his secrets and experience to help others go through successful digital transformation on this episode of future Ted Tony Explains the need for constant disruption where the media sector is on the disruption timeline and why he believes we are in the middle of the fourth industrial revolution and how will keep evolving using the technology at our disposal. Future of tech is brought to you by amp docs tech. amdex tech is an Docs Zarin D., and technology center paving the way to a better connected future by creating open innovative best in class products. In continuously evolving the way, we work, learn and live to learn more about 'em. DOC's visit the docs technology page on Lincoln. So. Don't add like to welcome you to. And you episode of future of thick. And today we're going to speak with donny Saturday Dan, how I hope I pronounced your family name right? You got gotta great currently the President of Transformative, which helps create id, and probably will speak in greater details in the coming minutes about your company and the whole ecosystem before we do that, maybe let's start with a short maybe you know you have a very. Very Long career. But most of it, you've spent with one company. So maybe share with me, how is to spend so many years in one company. I'm sure that most of our audience you know coming from Gen Y. in Gen. Z. for sure they're spending like two years in one place and it's already a long time. So what's the perspective about? So many years in one place? Yes absolutely. So firstly, I thanks for having me. I shy a real pleasure to be on the show. Yeah. So a little bit of background on myself I spent twenty seven years with one company, which is John Gamble I. Did look for a couple of companies fuller often gamble so I had about four five years of experience prior to that but the twenty seven. Years often gamble was across six countries. You know about eleven or twelve different assignments or did not feel like it was one company. It was very different roles in and I had the absolute privilege off essentially almost involving my career along with the idea industry. So you know, I happen to be based in the Philippians. Have started the off shore central Philippines in nineteen ninety. Three. And then back in the US. In two thousand and three I was program leader. For outsourcing about thirds of gambles, ITN shades of which was a eight billion dollar year deal, and that kind of kicked off the whole outsourcing wave in the industry, and then you know a lot off. Racist leadership off. Sheds. Across the world at Ganji. And State Services is pretty live. It's about two billion dollars and I had the opportunity of leading that in all of the reads and then. More, recently, at Crompton Gamble, it became obvious to me that digital. The around US meant that the competition was no longer another large company but starbucks, and so we had to do something more disruptive. I have the opportunity. In creating a disruptive ecosystem kind of like Google X. except for boring areas like you know HR and finance other areas so i. Gamble and then you know about two years ago, decided to strike off on my own, which is what transforming is all about. Nice. Very nice. So there is a great movie called outsourced. So you're that guy. Your other guys. Not. Quite, sure but. Along with the. Whole industry it's been a fairly fascinating, right? Yeah and what can you share a bit from your previous big round about png there are many rumors about this company because it's kind of a legendary company with with a lot of big round than history. But in terms of one of the things that I found very attractive is the fact that they at least I've heard that they are coming to any discussion with only one pager that needs to summarize the entire discussion. Is it true? That is true that Has, been a harder edged legacy. Many many decades of this is actually pretty old. One of these deals of the company wanted to drive clarity of talk in the wake of that was by introducing which you're describing, which is called a one page mental and as we all know, is actually harder to write a pager when you writing a big proposal than to write you know volumes on the topic, and so I think it's actually you know one of the things I learned. Almost thirty years ago when I joined the company, which is you know how to crystallize thinking into a relatively Chris Amanda. I'll share with you short story when I came in. I wanted to to do the same over here and I've injected this one pager concept and the first meeting ahead with people they all came with Swan Pager but only with a footnote of you know number four or number two. So it was a microscope just to read it. So, what are the topics you're covering in this one pager? How can you grasp an entire concept as you said that usually would take tens of pages into one pager. So behind the one as red proctor and gamble is actually a a structure I mean the title matters a lot. So when you're writing the recommendation, you know you spend some time thinking about what is the objective of them and so you might say, but recommendation to invest so many million dollars to monster new car right and then the structure is is almost like a given. So you start with a little bit of background and. In the background could be a pretend lines and you may say you know in this particular new category, the market in the world is growing at such and such a rated to such a size. Humble position is relatively low. He has a right to win because of ABC and therefore you know you create the back part and then the next section is the actor recommendation itself. So you basically say I recommend that we launch aid you XYZ. Product and then you know you provide a few bullet points to kind of reinforce it thinking and in the paragraph after that designed the discussion or the database. Kind of summarize it. And then and the end is basically a one line recommendation extent. A. Second next step. So so that structure actually helps you kind of crystallizing. We're unless you know it took a course in the in the university about philosophy in one of the I think the first lecture about one of the greatest philosophers in the world the professor came in and he gave us the name of the book that this philosopher rolled. And we spent almost I think it was nearly two hours. Just discussing the title of the book, and why in fewer words was able to encapsulate the entire essence of this book you know just in in the title. So going back to your example is the data or the headlines says a lot. So with your permission, you know otherwise we'll continue to blubber hear about you know history and stuff. Let's dip a bit and understand the what do you see? Or what made you after? So many years believe that now is the time to to make change skip. Let's say the personal issue in more focused on about what do believe this is we are in a revolutionary period and moment in history of the IT industry. Yeah. Some of this basically comes from my lost few years at proctor and gamble when. You know I was faced with a little bit of an ironic problem. The prompt gambles ITN chits services will consider to be best in plus indeed industry and yet the ironic problem you have is you know what if everybody considers to be the best in class? Would you do next right so when you go to consultant normal recommendation is while you're doing the formulas looking so after. There but you know that's not true and so I spent a lot of time about five years ago going around and talking to a hundred different organizations. So consultants, dear companies, venture capitalists. That gave me a very simple insight which is in today's world for large companies. You real competition is no longer as I said, large companies for start ups in when I dug into the details there, it became very obvious that the cost structure of operations. In startups were about half of those in similar large companies, right Boy Zach. In large part of that is because the work processes flipping in smaller companies processes listen. But then secondly, the use of digital technology meant that did process he's different. Give you real simple example in large companies you know when you when you want to travel for business, let's say from New York San Francisco, you have a standard agency you go to them they will get you know Sorenson in many digitally native companies doesn't have to be small. Kabuga's an example is you don't have a travel agency would you have? is you go to a system and you say three day trip from New York San Francisco and what to get the budget the budget says you know tons of Nautilus and at that point in time you free to go online. Google. AIRBNB within certain policies be offense and what by found out is not only as that operation simpler. So you don't have a back office in India Costa, Rica to take your receipts and mass them against your expense report and all that kind of stuff you don't have pleasing Deibel to contracts but. Three of the people they end up actually spending fifteen to twenty percent less of the travelers then. So this is just an example of how you know digitally native companies have much simple processes that launch a. That's really what convinced me that. This is a little bit like the previous revolutions. The World Economic Forum has called this the industrial revolution where this digital technology is changing every aspect of how we do business or even how we live lives, and so our job has got to be to rewire ourselves as companies as individuals society is from the could in this revolution for the fourth, and that's what drove me down to create. You know to write the book and Lula on a digital transformation. Night. So walk me through the steps. So you see that something's changing I believe the traveling for example is is a good one because In, our can relate to it in so many different aspects, and then you understand that the market is being disrupted by many small companies. Okay. So what prevents the big companies now to adopt the same concept? You know just become leaner machines and the same? What's the issue? Yes and that is the crux of the issue I mean in reality I mean you know CEO's boards all recognize that you know digital disruption is a really big deal and and they want to drive change and and the issue is exactly what you said. How do you scale that amount of change in And people talk about immune systems and all that kind of stuff. The second insight that I got from this exercise is the understanding that in large companies we rely on our, he reward systems to drive stable growth. Right Pumpkin gamble is one hundred eighty. Or Company and it is one hundred, eighty something year-old company because you know have ways of doing things including one eight mammal, right we have ways off you know driving still crooked company and so when you come out with radically different ideas a when you say, hey, instead of doing normal travelling expenses why the US aid We have to realize that we are designed to essentially play a little safer than small startup companies might do right and so that is the whole issue behind scaling jades, and so what I tried to do is understand this issue from an organization Culture Stan and award systems. and. So if most of our people are awarded to drive incremental change five percent ten percent and you come up with an idea, which is ten x ten times change you gotta have to make sense of all of this to the organization, and so we created the this organization, which is Colin Ed's organization because it operates on the edge off the normal Brockton game will system. So you have different reward systems. You have you know more risk more return on and so forth and then I would with a lot of experts in the industry figured out how to come out with ten exchange will ex type of? As and then how to change the award systems in the quarter of the organizers to bring that change in article banner. But that is the big challenge for most companies as you know, GE under Jeff, immelt tried to. Drive a lot of change by saying, we're going to be a digital company. And it was only partly successful in in the reason for that was exactly this issue skin. So, this is interesting. Were you able to find the the right mechanism? How To? Elevate, people to innovate in big corporate and how to kind of free ward them in the right way I I think it's it's obviously a complex saw be careful not to say, I, have the answer by what I have is a framework, which is the basis of the book and I was able to do was to basically say depending on your situation you have to look at in a the culture of your company. Some companies are much more change than others, and then the situation you know if you are in the midst off a in a blending platform, you're going to be able to drive change off now. and. So based on that template which are able to do is then you know understand how to change your water systems I'll give you a few examples you have to look at creating your innovation team not with innovation heavy people, but people that have deep credibility in the organization and you pull them together and put them in a different ecosystem at the edge of the organization. So for example, at Brooklyn, game. Would I did was across all of the internal operations of finance supply chain marketing. I picked two people to very a credible people senior guys that used to run operations in twenty minutes or in sales, and then I, put them together in this edge organization and had them come out with the ten x ten times disruptive ideas and I give them a method was young how to do that in that environment. Now, when they were able to see for themselves, they have the ability to come back into the rest of the organization because they're known as operations is in convince others that this is possible and that's a different methodology. Dan having just innovate. Does he into Silicon Valley and come up with ideas in the rest of the company I made this rotational assignment every two years bringing credible leaders Bo-, back. And change their word systems of the core organization. So you know you have separate action plans. I mean, we all know that a typical good action plan has you know delivered the operations and drive continuous improvement. We created a court leg of the action plan to say you deliver stable operations you do continuous improvement, and you have a third leg about ten twenty percent of your overall focus destruct yourself. So we create this fame works in the ward systems to make this much more systemic. Interesting. So you believe that innovation can come not from. Let's call the city office rather from the operational people. I think scaled change. This is the only challenge that MAC right because eventually results have to show in terms of Wall Street metrics if. In a for profit company, if you're going to scale it, you're GonNa, have to impact. You know the core of the organization I think the idea has can be driven by the deals office or you know the digital officer or you know this L. Bad. If that's all it does if it stays within a small part of the organization and you're not gonNA see scale change and so I actually recommend to the car instead I would with. That you create the and by the way, these disruptive innovation teams have got to be really small teams. You know a dozen who doesn't even if you have one hundred, thousand people in your. And then would you try to do is have them influenced the operations of the organization because that's when innovation becomes reality. Okay. We'll speak more about it because I have some some more questions to to pick your brain I've read in your background that you've also been an advisory for Cloudera. And I was wondering I they are really nice guys I met them I think just before they got the the big investment from Intel way back. Then you know for nearly one billion dollar think it was nine, twenty five, and then how did you apply your new concepts or vision into the the working cloudera? So this was. Several years ago. I I was on the estimate advisory board at Subzero. and. Proton gamble actually has had a very long history off innovative thinking in nineteen chips. So this is around analytics and technology related to that, and so several years ago. This was about six years ago I was leading the Organization for analytics in the company and it was becoming very clear to me that technology platforms in all of these large companies had to change because storing data analyzing data is getting so cheap that you know you cannot essentially make databases and and dried essentially become the bottle, which is what was happening before a do in other forms of databases came along and so as part of the advisory. I was trying to drive the availability of the platform, not just for unstructured data, but in some use cases also as applied to structure data and drive much more than us case thinking than blacks old thinking. So it was a fun time. It was a relatively short period of time that it was critical. I think in the evolution off analytics Homey at that time. So now I think that we are warm enough taking me through the. Steps of the fourth revolution as you call it. So we've mentioned several of those, but let's do it methodically and walk me through the different components or the different aspects of this revolution as you see them. So if I may just just to provide a context on the connection between the photograph Lucien. And transformation. So the first important thing that I need to share his that I strongly believe that they fought industry revolution is digital disruption and therefore digital transformation with has become a buzzword in the hundred interviews that I did I got probably a dozen different answers to the question on what exactly is digital transformation all the way from. Oh. Don't worry about it is just a buzzword only other extreme to always all of the robots coming for jobs, and so it became very obvious that you have to have common language, and so the first principle is the fourth industrial. Revolution is digital disruption and therefore digits and summation, which is the survival in the revolution has got to be the rewiring off your entire business model. So you are successful in the fourth industrial revolution, and so that provides a full definition. So in other words, digital transformation is not technology it's not about going to the foul or about artificial intelligence is not about retraining people it's about hard business outcome. So if you are able to continue to beat competition in the full industrial revolution with that competition, maybe even if it starts, then you have the wired yourself in the industry. So that was the reason I kinda got into full industrial revolutions and digital transformation. Then the second question is okay get digital transformation is rewiring yourself in the foot industrial revolution. Then you know how do I manage the spectrum off people that are playing with technology all the way to the other extreme which people have re engineered the culture of your position and that's when I came up with. This is step mortal for digital transformation. The full step a step one is what most organizations considered to be digital transformation, which is automation. So you know you're sap or cloud you know whatever it is to automate your existing processes in reality that's not Izzo transmission. It's automation it's an important step towards digital transformation. The second step is what I called silo. This is really where in large companies may have a subsidy or a function made finance organization that is starting to say, we have to do finance differently maybe using totally digital methods for accounts, payables receivables, and completely you knew would process but his silo that's the challenge it does not a company strategy. You don't have a digital strategy for the company staged three is what I actually called partially from and partially synchronized means that although there is a company strategy Allah general. Electric where they actually said, we are going to be digital company. The efforts to actually get their Austin not completely synchronized. So you have a digital officer, you have the operations and they're not really connected to each other right, and that's really where gentlemen electric was a few years ago. Stage forest fully synchronized, which is essentially where you have a completely integrated CEO driven business strategy and the business is actually completely able to transform the way if operates from a technology standpoint to the industrial revolution, but were did still missing is the culture element and that's what stage. Five is, which is what I call living DNA living. DNA is when everybody in the company becomes a destructor of themselves that's what gives you like a Netflix which has interiors disrupted its own business models four-times from Malin DVD, streaming or isil content to national, and the only way that happens is if everybody in the company and understands that this is not about technology, it's about distracting yourself and when you keep disrupting yourself, you stay ahead of competition. And so this framework. Gives boards of directors seals away to think about where they are in the picture in work goals set, and hopefully that's the better way of getting to rewiring yourself than the confusion that existed. So let me play the devil's advocate because I'm hearing you I'm saying, okay can you do those five steps without a big it transformation with all the technology behind the scenes to support you? Can you be the same organization as you wear? And just decided now you want to rewire yourself in a digital way and you're they're all five steps with all the technology revolution owner tall? No no, no please don't misunderstand. Technology is the root. It is the oxygen for all of this change without technology none of this changes possible. Even. My traveling extends example that I give you. A combination of three things which by the way I'm glad you this question because this kind of gets to the root off how to get Kennex destruction you need all three things. These are things will in together. One is exponential technology new technology. The second is completely outcome based processes in the third is ecosystem to support. So even in the case off the chaplain expenses, if you don't have all of the data you know including from your corporate credit card providers to let you know where your employees are spending your money. You're not going to be able to become like a google when it comes to travel expenses. And that data is going to come in only through you know upgrading your technology you know exponential technologies if you don't have algorithms that are able to look at all of that expense data from your expense, heart provide as and look for fraud that's not gonNA look So again, that's technology ecosystems if you're looking at just your own expenses seeds that's. Not Good enough. Then actually having good data flow with again, the same Carter MIDAS insolence. So the point that I tried to drive is technologies absolutely necessary but not sufficient. In addition to technology you'll absolutely need to make transformation a Business Wall Street outcome to the next. This is not a technology of exercise and you have to make it a culture. Exercise to make the stem right and so when you have those three latest. That's when you get systemic. Good. So at least they're wearing agreement and as wearing a you know at the podcast let me ask you A. Few more question about that thing. So through your journey in the history of this industry, you've started your career. If if you know if my math is not doing me wrong somewhere around eighties. Yes. How do you feel you know we've progressed since then and how do you feel or what's your overview about where we're at this point in time I think that our industry, the IT industry is absolutely. To be at this point in time I believe we can stop now the the podcast. No seriously I honestly wish that I was starting my career today really do because I have been through the evolution off it being a success of finance or data processing somewhere of the back office, I have been to the wave of it being a commodity. Let's outsource. You have somebody else do I. I have been through the more recent stage off the understanding that or to Mation is quarter driving productivity, and now with the stage where ID is the driver of transformation for the whole business. Model. The CIO of today has such an incredible opportunity of becoming the most important consultant to business. In, the whole company and for them to do that, they have to accept that challenge that the job is not just to do technology but the job is to become the court unquote Mackenzie to the CEO and the order directors into help them drive that change. Fully. Agree you've mentioned you know the eighties today's work there was an image taken. I've seen it I think in what's up or in twitter or something that guy was sending to mainframe screen and saying that the New York the mainframe was unable to adhere to the to the scale and I wondered you know how many people do really understand what they saw for from their perspective it was. Yet another server you know, but there are very few people still remember how a mainframe screen looks like in the and understanding the point that you've just mentioned. But do you see you've mentioned the CIO taking a much vital role which I completely agree to how do you see this kind of hitting the city? Oh and do you see the two of them now converge or do you see? Going back to your innovation role is the city. Now becoming something different CEO is different. One of them is more business savvy. The other one should focus on innovation or so I think we'll keep the IT company separate because I think the role of the CPO in IT companies ends up being a little different because they motive are creating arm in most user companies. I actually think that because digital transformation as a business imperative and business operations whether you call it, the it function or shared services, but especially, digitization of the operations is now starting to converge I think that it is really really important to have one leader that's empowered by. The board of directors and the CEO to do votes to do the transformation. But then also the operation and the day to day or two mation piece right now you know whether that's the CIO or you quality digital officer whichever says actually the latest date I have seen is that companies that actually have a Seattle in separate visual officer are actually not very successful than will model is not looking. So my recommendation is essentially grew the roll off. You know the CNN slash shits leader and innovation, and make them the common operations entrance summation leader, the enterprise actually in my book I actually suggests a rewarding to basically call the digital resources officer. Just like human resources, HR job is not controlled every human in the company, but good provide the resources and to essentially use those resources to make the best human company I think that's the new role of the CIO if they are able and willing to take on the CTO, I think is a vital component because as you were day accurately saying earlier on, you have to have the foundation the digital ambition. Some of the translation and I think that's the job. The CTO is is to essentially make sure that they're translating the business transformation into action bolting Tim's operations as well as. The continuous improvement. So I'm the CEO of a company I listen to this podcast I, kind of like it. I'm going through this transformation through the steps. What will go wrong we're going to fail. That's a again of the important questions in seventy stand before digital transformations. I Dj and Mackenzie and several of studies. And they failed for two reasons to as simple reason, I tend to have a simplistic minds I try and simplify things in my mind. Those two reasons for failure is one clarity off goal setting. So this is the language. Digital transformation means so many different things so many so much work. And so forth does you know the first point of failure is? Exquisitely clear that digital transformation is going to be about rewiring the whole business Moro, and they have to start with that as goal right? Not About you know tools or technologies or it, which is they have to essentially be digital. So it starts with them guy in terms of goal setting, and then the second reason why digital transformation snail is actually execution methodology. So when you start with computers on what digital transformation is, the actual execution ends up either being in silo innovation in Silicon Valley in a setting up small little incubators they're ordered becomes execution of projects that are all digital projects, but they're not scaling change. Whereas in the book would have done is I have essentially demonstrated how you need to bring together three methodology. So digital transformation methodologies, not just project management I think it's just one of three things I project management, which is executioners. One Organization Change Management is the second. And the toward is essentially high risk high. Hon than to capitalist approaches change are. Putting all those three together. I have suggested that you execution methodology. Skim Change. Now, let's take the other extreme so whether I didn't listen to this podcast or whether I didn't read your book I'm a seal for company. I believe the time doing okay I did some automation did some changes in my it? I have some you know new kids on the block that are doing some cool stuff. I didn't embrace an end to end approach to the digitize revolution in what way do I harm my organization in your view I? Think you harm all three key stakeholders in your business in my mind that three key stakeholders are you know obviously your own all my sation in many ways I believe in that's an important key stay for the them by essentially not upskilling an upscale and then and then you know leading them open to risks as your company starts to go down the tubes that they're really really. This is actually one of the things I worry a lot about when it comes to consider to be innovation pitcher. So you know do a lot of cool technology projects that never scared on the organization I think that's actually very very. Corrosive because it gives you the feeling that you're doing something. But you know you really not driving the business outcomes and that's one of the reasons it's dangerous. But anyway, that's the fullest dig Hortas that I think you. The second is I think obviously your consumers, right? Because I think your customers. I mean in most successful companies, you're not gonna see them deserved you like overnight but would you start to see is custom day starting to feel like you know you'll take them for granted you're not providing the same service as part of step startups, slow giving you and so on and so forth. So you'll Danube proposition you're tossing the money, but you're not giving the same value proposition you starting to hurt them any eventually dissolved, and then you know obviously you're hurting your financial state or less when it's Wall Street or Ownership of the company because sooner rather than later in an industrial revolution you either disrupt yourself or you'll get disrupted by somebody else. So let's talk a bit about disruption technology that we've seen all over in your eyes water that save the few key, the logical changes that you've seen and you believe are essential for this revolution. I think that there are four or five technologies that are absolutely of the core, and by the way, all of them are driven by the rise of affordable computing I mean the fact that you process a human genome at in quite literally a hundred dollars. Listen. That was yesterday today. It's like, yeah. Yes as it's going to be a few stance in a few years old, that's obviously because of. Computing. But the most important technology is I think the rise off. And I use that broadly, not just the deep mind kind of Google. But you know even the use of artificial intelligence on Amazon to say if you bought X. You might be interested in Wyoming, all this different shapes of. So I think actually if you had the. Technology to focus on in, that would be a mistake. Only one I would say you have to understand our intelligence is changing the business models. The second one I strongly believe is they much earlier in the whole revolution is going to be extremely or is actually boxing. You know blockchain is still in that hype stage. But in my work at proctor and gamble, even four or five years ago, we came out with multiple incredibly disruptive use cases that are being employed today, and so the key in blockchain is not to get category by the technology but to really focus on the few handful of use cases that are mature and they are incredibly destructive. So that's the second. The clerk is is actually not as destructive, but important, which is mar automation. So the ability you know including local or or process automation, and of course. To even take your current business operations and get tremendous value out of them. I think it is important. The foot one is actually I think for physical goods, obviously Internet of thing, and the ability to do physical products different I think is the destructive and then the fifth one is I call a business or industry specific destructive technology. So for example, if you happen to be in the medical industry, you know within biotech is really important is you happen to be in the solar industry obviously in a material sciences is being disrupted so Altogether depending on the industry these are the five I would encourage all CEO's. An especial. Focus areas for the Telco in media environment and ecosystem Oh absolutely, let me start with the media I. Think the media's obviously already off wait. So the big disruption I mean, it'd be mutually with newspapers and stuff like that but I think the ability to find use cases specifically in the. Area I mean today when ninety percent of the short updates on you know yok warm line on Sports and finance are written by Bart's right rather than humans. You know that's pretty disruptive. I think that one that is a huge huge impact in the media area. Telco. Is actually fascinating because I think a combination of everything from physical products, right. So the actual manufacturing off IT products all the way through the space related Internet Wook that now I think it through Elon Musk company you know you're going to change the way globally Internet is going to be provided I. think that's going to be a fascinating destruction. Angry, we're coming nearly to the end and I would like to ask you about your last several years of experiencing being an enterpreneur. You know what is it that you like the most in being an entrepreneur? What makes you get up in the morning and seeing if not a song but maybe Yeah you don't want to be singing but yes. I think look eventually the best thing about being an entrepreneur is to essentially realized that it is all completely up to you on work you do and what you don't do right and some people including may they absolutely love that freedom the ability to say this is what I need to do, and then the challenge yourself to get it done using other resources you know with a twenty seven years Taunton gamble I was really big privilege to look in what is to be in the best training ground the in the world in a s companies. But even in the best, company twenty percent off your day to day activity. That is not necessarily things you liked to do whether it is you know how do you figure out how to cut budgets or endless meetings all that kind of stuff and I think as an uncertain years, you'll have the freedom to say this was my company, this route two, and that's what I. Love about now, the downside of being an entrepreneur is that the buck stops with you, which is in there are good times you know your business does well in their bad times you completely accountable for yourself for your people to fit out to deal with it, and that's why I think. It's the best thing for some people others don't like me I absolutely. Love it right. Great. Any other. Things that we didn't cover and you'd like to chat about now I think I'd be I've really really enjoyed this conversation I feel like the probing that you were doing around the role of technology and technologists in today's world is maybe the only other thing that I would like to conclude with I. Honestly feel that any industrial revolution is an opportunity of a lifetime or it can be a threat of lifetime unfortunate. But I think issue. The right kind of attitude can be an opportunity for lifetime and that's my message to needless seals directors specifically to the IT industry I think that this is not just an opportunity of a lifetime, but we are incredibly travelers to look in the one industry in we're in the middle of the chain. So I feel it's exciting time. To be in the industry I think it's all up to US I. Think we all need to kind of challenge ourselves to step up to it and I absolutely love being in the middle this and I know your listeners because they're all kind of intrigued by you know with the industry headed they all think alike, but I think this is going to be. Completely Agree Tony, it was a pleasure and. Face to face I hope would love to absolutely thank you very much. Take Care Bye. Thanks for listening to futuristic tech if you like what you heard and what more make sure to subscribe on. Apple. PODCASTS or your favorite podcast. 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The Future of Containers and Kubernetes

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The Future of Containers and Kubernetes

"Welcome to future of Tech Hosted by Charlotte Division, presidents, of amdex technology in this podcast Ashley sits down with technology leaders and some of the most innovative minds in the industry to learn how they are disrupting the present and what kind of impact they see for the future. No topic is off limits. So sit back relax and maybe take notes because what you here on this show might just be a glimpse into the future. On this episode of Future of Tech Refresh who serves as VP of the data platforms group, and the of the network platforms group for Intel described the entire process of building a new sort of architecture. He also explains why the disaggregation of hardware-software is one of the most important outcomes of NFC because of the flexibility is office and why sears everyone should be focused on embracing that principle of disaggregation. Accompanies architecture has always been tantamount importance to the company's success on this episode, which discusses the Evil Lucien of networks and their architecture, the power of converged network architecture and why hybrid clouds and openness are so important. Future of tech is brought to you by amp docs tech. Docs tech is an boxes are in D. and technology center paving the way to a better connected future by creating open innovative best in class products and continuously evolving the way we work, learn and live to learn more about an DOC's visit the docs technology page on Lincoln. I'd like to welcome you Rajesh for a new episode of future of stick and. We are going to discuss various issues I. I saw that there are so many topics that you're dealing with related to cloud an edgy and five G. networks software. So we will try to touch as many as possible and and to live our audiences interested in Let's start. Okay. Yeah, actually. So thank you. It's an absolute pleasure being here the chat with you. on this topic series. You know I've actually had the pleasure of working closely with dogs and collaborating with adults or number of years and We invited meals looking all of these discussions. It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me and all a very good discussion. Perfect. So maybe we'll start from the beginning. How did you find yourself didn't with technology? Oh, that's a great question actually. You know honestly. Growing up in India especially in rural India This was also in largely it also functional for the opportunities available, and so this is going back to eighty S. Early. Ninety S SO I. Grew up in India. Went to school in India and you know at the time Loxley only tool to auctions right so you. Would go into science and engineering domain or you would going to medical sciences and become a doctor. Actually. In reality, those are the two primary all that you know most ducats. and. For me actually I was always nearing. You know I was auditioning union at odds. Yeah I would. Earn play around with the radios You know if something were to go along with any equipment at home I would be hostile, grab a screwdriver and open it up and see what's going on and so I guess you can you can say that I'm and then you knitting at heart and so the time game I said you know electronics and communications engineering was You know Arcadia and I just decided to actually pursue that. And I'm actually I'm very glad I did because it's been a very dirty old stuck twenty five years ago right? Right and how did you find yourself working for into So good question actually I came to us in nineteen ninety five and added looking for a communications softer of Nick ultra-liberal systems and trillion wasn't the in the domain of writing standards and protocols, and at the time actually you'll remember back in the late Nineties ATM technology of course that was very hot and trillium company that I used to work at the time was a pioneer and we would actually right standards. I've actually contributed Kim standards at the time and really. Develop offer which one, the one, hundred, meg or the twenty, five minutes. Yeah, it'll actually You know all the way to a ten and hundred at the time by like hunger. Good. Okay. D- lots of stuff around but landon Malaysian. ATM Technology Yeah and and so yeah. So Intel was looking to make A. Bigger investment in the networking domain and intellect white trillium in July of two thousand, and so that's how I came to become part of Indo and beer for. Twenty years. Now, I've done a few different things that until I including Roddick, management, strategic planning of but I realized. Doing a few rolls that my heart was in engineering and so We're actually looking to grow networking business I started laying off architect and really looking at the definition of next generation. and. I've been actually in the networking business get it in the last thirteen fourteen years. Good and today are part of the city owned network platform group, and you are the vp of data platform within this group am I right that's gotTa. the networking business get it in Dell is part of our data platforms group. So this is everything in the data center including cloud enterprise and and apprentice business and So I'm of. The. Data platforms group that's led by Levin Shenoy, and then within that there is a nick looking business that's focused on neck look solutions across the data center in Enterprise Cloud and business, and also the whole telephoto main look at wireless infrastructure, fi g, edge, computing, and So I'm a bottle of the networking business within deep dpt and I'm the CTO or the Nicholson business I will ordinary selected leads the networking business now, Indo perfect good. So we've done all the introductory that is needed then we can jump in I'm wondering you know what's Intel has to do with all this cloud revolution and all these says software defined networks And stuff gig. Give me some some big about why introduce playing there and what's your road. Yeah. So that's an awesome question actually Am really glad you started that an Oscar that question when I actually started in the networking business This was actually back in Two, thousand, six, two, thousand, seven. And at the time, actually Intel had an investment in netter processors used to build riots be better crossers, and what are the realizing actually just talking to customers and operators is that fundamentally the vader protein, the network infrastructure was untenable longer though. So if you opened up an application at the time like wireless controller, for example, that would be multiple architectures in. So there would be You know General Mattis Cebu, or doing application processing that would be a different architecture or doing a plan that would be a process weighing data, Canaanite packet processing, and then there'll be some DSP's own Essex or doing signal processing like in the. Momentum when you think about it, like you know when you have multiple architectural studio where it is very suboptimal because it takes a long time to optimize for different soft paradigm in or different optimization, orange and tools, and so on to deal with right and then you had to the integration. So it was taken a really long time to build solutions to market, and so we said, hey, you know, what would we do different here and the big bowl let took for ourselves is how can make? A standard architecture such as Intel. Architecture, a best in class to run the four main workloads networking application control plane back at pricing data plane and signal processing, and that's the mission that we embarked on. This is where we built things like. Data Plane Development Kit, which really helped patient packet processing. Can you give just in a very short to way? What's the difference in characteristics between the four different behavior? So people that are not that familiar with how things are working would understand the the complexity of the solution that you took upon. Yes. So you know you think about it applications. These are things like always as BSS, right? Like you know billing applications are You know anything that you can run on a general purpose back on can control in is signaling protocol. So bombed the time you pick up the phone and you dial somebody. There is a set up exchanges that happen. That allows you to get to a point where he can really talk to the other party or or that matter actually do transaction right and so the control plane is something that you and I don't see this just happens magically in the network where there's a lot of like session information or signaling insulation that goes back and forth that allows you to get point where you can do. In the user data you know transmission very time dependent, very real time in nature ideas and then Look at characteristic standpoint it is very similar to applications. But where it it's really different is when you start thinking about data plan, right so. If you you should see actually helping Sivy wall or the last decade or two Google on from. You're asking me earlier hundred megabits per second per enter ten gigabits or second, and now you're talking about somebody over or second, and in fact, mighty started working on benefits for second. So when you had to deal with such speeds and Traffic. That is a highly sensitive to lead and see such as wars such as video traffic where you cannot tolerate digital and quality. So this is extremely important. It becomes very important that you in a process that. That's coming on the network. Side packets if you shouldn't be. and. So that's what I refer to as data plane because this is the user data and then the last one is signal processing. you know our forms, right? They talked to something base stations. These are the Christmas tree like structures like you'll see on the side of a previous you're driving right and. A lot of that is basically you know radio transmission and law, and then that has to be converted to the digital domain, and there's a lot of like DSP algorithms that run there and So like I was saying earlier, all of these were running on four different just and what we have done or the last. Fourteen fifteen years is to really make a bring them all on a single architecture and consolidate the workloads because guess what when you have one architecture that you can run all these will on, you get diminish immortal efficiency and you can actually bring solutions faster to market good and that journey that we a got on around two, thousand, twelve, thirteen, the operatives came to us and said, hey, you know this vision and what can Intel booth to give us deliver same magic like you guys have done in cloud enterprise what sliced woke lords on a standard sober how can we actually billy were the same for the Nick Trust Network applications and that's basically what let plan EFI neutral countries. As an SDN AT And It's been a really fruitful journey because now you know we see like as you get into the fight, you deployments and Computing NFL has become a fairly entrenched and we are seeing the benefit of what feels. Okay interesting interesting, and once you reach that point in in what way Does it change our industry in what way does. So you're saying now things can go faster. You're saying now things can go smoother. What are the aspects from from delco perspective or from the industry perspective once once this is done once you were able to. Level set all technologies under one architecture. Yeah. So if you see you know what NFV or and as the end right networking organization and software defined networking. The biggest accomplishment is really the disaggregation of hardware and software. And why I say it's the biggest accomplishment is because if you look at like traditionally how Nikolic given built, right it was actually built in the home appliance. The hardware and software were integrated. So the frosting that NFC was able has delivered is the decided to hardware and software because what that now does is customers. Have actually articles, customers or people who build Nikolic application network achievement. Have Tremendous Flexibility Hall, they have choice of hardware. So they can actually bull building applications on standards over our will like from Dell Or. and then because now the I decided to get the. Now, you can actually open up the ecosystem and it's no longer a few players that are playing and building applications as Weidler saw that look security and saw now because you have you know the software is not dependent on hard were now you can innovate. Much faster, and you have a large ecosystem. So if you look at The wireless offer equal system. You'll see that there's been a number of new entrance in the area So you've actually seen companies such as FM networks medicine. Mavin near The SUMI newcomers that are innovating and building you know ruining new auctions in of the wireless networks can be deployed with lot of new innovation. Great now inject into this also open source how how does it play into this ecosystem? How does it help if at all? Yes so Again like a so Mary Morton question and this is something that You know we at Intel have been very passionate about open source has being a real stone open-source has been how it's been a very key role in NFC, and Estienne, Journey. Now, in a hobby of transformed the network infrastructure because you know with all sorts there's always a community that's working that is actually a working with each other collaboratively to drive innovations faster and You know people can come and contribute different aspects to an open source project, and so you know from an internal perspective going back to I was actually make no mention DVD did up in Development Kit we've actually always leadville source. Actually made a ton of contributions in fact, not many people know that. Intel perhaps it's as big or larger software company as it is today as silicon companies, and in fact, entails being always Contract, to external and so today if you look at it from a network viewpoint and the networking landscape you know beyond part of Lennox networking art of analyze. These are actually offer the NFC movement and contributed to a lot of in standards and so yeah. So we we do that also very important because it is is a commune community innovation that can drive with an open source approach. But at the same time will tell you that ought approach has been not just open source, but it is very important that we. Put a good amount of focus on the commercial ecosystem as well. So also Zimbabwe's uses the identity it actually helps us drive innovation but another day and you guys know this very well right and you look at Telco operators many operators around the globe don't have the ability to just take those project and deployed or they're looking for is emotionally hardened offer that of course can benefit from open source and the foster innovation cycle. But at the end of the day they warned hardened soccer, they can deploy that is ordered. Better can get a big can get patches and Swan. So the Indian approach has been, we put equal amount of focus on open source, which is a very important where how we knew it in the in the marketplace but for us actually, it's also equally important that we drive a waibel commercial hardness of ordered software. Until, we have a program builders where we have more than three hundred than you guys are part of this as spell, which actually helps us drive a emotionally ready azoff from Model I. Think you've touched a very important. Topic and I'd like maybe to ask you an additional question around the the open source rightfully. So you said that it opened up the ecosystem metalled many players to enter the fact that this plus the the change of making. Now, the network software driven allows us now to to have or to experience a variety of new technologies and partner House and. Detached from the combination of software and how were going together. However, it also injects now a big threat. We all know of coming from the cyber attacks and cyber related the technology and I will I was wondering in what way you were thinking in your new architecture in the new design of making sure that the solution that are now being. Adopted are Eh secure in in the right way and how to make sure that you know we are not getting into our? Began Havoc using those open source solutions. You know. Security is batum. All right and I think the trucks was have really increased because you know going from. Actually. Have closed proprietary solutions and Some extent you'd argue that limited the tax office because it was actually dementia polston proprietary system rap. But as you go into the world of NF, ESPN and now cloud native. Of course, these increasingly being deployed on standard solar hardware, and then of course, there's so much suffering ovation that on on sanders over infrastructure that by definition you know. It's important to address the security implications. Equally, you know how we actually You know debate the larger acts of that. This was awesome. Now on approach to this has been a a combination of hardware and software because You know I it's extremely important that We look at this from a system perspective and make sure that there are no holes either in the hardware in the offer, and then the brewers that we have taken is We want to secure everything with harbor of trust. So from the time, the platform of a BIOS operating system, I could wiser. everything is signed and we made sure that the architecture fundamentally ensures that only stuff that is supposed to be on the black on actually runs on the back. and. So you can only do that where it's like a hardware route of trust and everything that runs on the black on his signed allowed to run on the platform. Let's be not approach and this. Of Trust runs all the way from byles already pipe Weiser's to applications. That's One thing now of course, what we do is we are also actually making sure that as the hardware building block Reuters you're making sure that we are bringing in new technologies with a mole to make sure that everything that is running on the platform, any data that's being used at any given point better secure anything that's actually going on the wire is actually a secular with nickel executive of bbn technologies. So we've actually put in a lot of effort to. Provide for acceleration on black owns or Will it just be sick and SSL dealers, and then we also actually make sure that anything that is stored on the the storage security's important as about. So you know like really into insecurity if you think about it, right. So security for workers running on the bar on any data that's stored on the platform and any data that goes from outside of the black onto the network everything is set your So that you know we can actually in this world that is becoming you no doubt scale where a increasingly living environment with owning hybrid multi cloud architectures and deployment models actually make sure that we don't leave anything to chance and everything from an endpoint perspective. Okay let's talk a bit about about the cloud you've mentioned. Can can you elaborate a bit about the cloud in the sense of US supporting cloud native colleges, what the essence behind it and what things do see over there is key for the success. So You know I will actually telling you about our journey from one thousand thirteen. You know up until now we've been focused on You know bringing the best water legislation techniques for network applications or decree with A. Dance and stuff like that. Right and you made a lot of progress. If you look at you know in the enterprise world with you know as A. If you a cloud, right like with what security applications Even you know application delivery controllers, load balancers, social security functions. Look at like five G. Bulletin the ran like with the Watchel ran a kind of deployments or in the wireless core right like with. The packet I mess and increasingly now with the five G. used in options I think there's a ton of progress and we see that a lot of network infrastructure. Lot of infrastructure in general has been works elitest and is getting the benefits, Seo benefits, and also the daily benefits. Now s you look into the next few years out. What we are realizing is that there's a few things. That, we can learn from water cloud guys about the hyperscale around in particular that are a few things that we were. We had expected to achieve with NFC that we are a little bit behind all. So things like automation, for example, and so There's an opportunity here to learn from the hyperscale Saddam and see how we can actually you know a a a not sort of practice, the best known. so we can actually get better out skip. There are eighty Estonia question are directly there are three areas or three key business in produce or me that the cloud native drives busters. The disaggregation. So you can basically run your applications anywhere without necessarily looking for you know any particular component or acceleration. So you really want that disaggregation and hardware abstraction. So you can build your application and dwelling anywhere in the infrastructure second, this automation and orchestration, and this is where I dogs not. Very Keel you guys have done a phenomenal job in the NFL movement and I think of. Or good success as we look at the next clouded what you really want is the infrastructure to run like a self driven car like anonymous cop, right so you want it to be automated and the application life cycle to be like an automated life cycle man, and then the third one, which is a very important is compulsively applications and so what I mean by that is you know the the New Age cloud developer is looking for a very high level of abstraction and warned that easy button. So they can actually write applications and so in a in an easier fashion deploy. Applications quitting and so when you think about that you know an outing ward in the cloud infrastructure. The compulsive applications really translate to Michael Services and container based approach and I'm really excited because I've been actually looking into this or allows the years and looking at the progress of the cloud is making and I really think of you know this a approach of using. Michael Service containers even the network applications and bureaucracy big new to see some early deployments in in. As you know, the five G. Rollout begins to happen without native approaches and this actually has super excited. So really from a business imperative for plow nudie perspective, it's the disaggregated infrastructure is the automation and orchestration automated life cycle management, and the compatible will applications with a Microsoft's based approach. Right, now you've touched five G. I would like to touch a bit more. So what, what's what's your? Overall perspective about this phenomena something that is going to change the industry's just yet another technology hot. What's your perspective when it comes to five Jan? How do tight into the obviously into the whole picture that we just discussed so far? Actually if you bring five G.. You'll find me sort of like almost like a candy store right so this is something that I've been very passionate about and. I really look at five thirty s a again arts You know whichever way you look at it right of all I think the fact that five fifty is a pretty significant improvement from speeds and feeds speculates spend two hundred x more bandwidth it ten times lower latency and a combination of those two things alone actually gives you you know the ability to use the technology for a number of new applications thinks that before right so we know that just the laws of physics you know. When you actually have to go to a back cloud. It's like ends up milliseconds of latency. You know of. Any. Transaction that goes to the cloud right sometimes even more than hundred milliseconds and when you look at like many of the new applications that thinking about whether in you know things like almost in car whether you're looking at the industrial automation robotics whether you're looking at. You know in the medical sector with the old remote surgery applications Also decided men's right video analytics and surveillance. There's another one all many these applications did acquire. Blue Latency you know only milliseconds some ends even emily seconds and so many think about that fifty. Now of Deuce you technology to work with or achieving that latency and You know high bandwidth, high throughput needs of many of these it's So so I'm actually excited. I think of we you'll see actually. From An. Air Or the last eighteen months or so we have done more than hundred few trials all around the globe with many operators and in fact I think it was. Like in eighteen, the Winter Olympics we actually did the demo of fifty from An. With the medical applications and it's You know I'm actually Bombed that we are not able to Now. The Summer Olympics without and you've seen applications of five G. in. The Summer Olympics in Tokyo hopefully, we'll get to see some of this next year. When the Summer Olympics actually take place but the. Question Actually, I'm super excited with what he has to offer and to me. Actually, the real power of five g is actually how can build a new applications and services at the edge? So I almost went over the top five comes comes, about I actually always make mention of Ed services because that's where the real is to make money or all of us and then the wineman for many of this edge applications locations very followed and pummeling, constrained and so. That also actually drives us more towards the cloud native. Application development and deployment model, and so yeah. So I think it's It's very right for new innovation. And I'm super excited of five edge and using cloud native way to really sort of like no bring five G. to Bush and build appliance. So, let me let me ask you. A tough question. So it appears that the. Five G.. Is the panacea for everything. Now, we found the maybe. Side of copied it resolves all all the industry issues. So this is it we're done nothing to do more just make sure that five G. is there. No so you know I think. Disown. Garbage situation has been really unfortunate right I think you bet y'all seen the the issues that came as a result of you know Gobert was Being having a I. Think we are all. Learning and learning delivered reality of over right I. Think many of us I impact more than ninety percent of us are actually working from home and. It has actually. I think you would agree that not a single goes by when you know you like disconnect VPN or having issues because you know the bandwidth is consumed. All right. You know you are not able to hear this one because they are wanna Sloan at and you know there's like A. We don't experience. It's Don for us. Everything is sleek and we have noise. Yeah. So you know I. Think you know there are fight he doesn't solve all the problems but. I think it does actually provide You know like I said with word with latency with this notion of network slicing can really create sort of like You know engine slice of Network which is a new paradigm right because now let's think about it right like if you want to actually deliver your maybe pause for a second and explain it. What does it mean so our Audience would understand what is network slicing. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. So networks lies saying is really the ability to almost create like a workable slice of the network end to end. So let's say. give you an example if. I'm in an industrial deployment in a factory somewhere and I have a robot that is actually talking to some edge application and perhaps even some something running in a one off there. Another festively likely example maybe there's support team is located at a different location and they want to be able to access this robot. Now you won't actually a certain quality of service, a certain latency characteristics, certain bandwidth So in other words, actually some amount of resources in the infrastructure and in the network that who served for this application industrial robotics, and so what network slicing allows you to do is it has actually the mechanisms to resolve. The Kiva sources in the infrastructure. So you can actually get the quality of service that you need from an end to end perspective or an application like robotics off like it can be any application, right? It's that ability to really carve out a slice of. The resources in the infrastructure in the network that would give you that quality of experience that application desires. That's basically what it looks like she is. Perfect. So I'm I'm I'm coming back to my my previous question. So Five G. brings a lot of good things into the world. It allows you to do many things network slicing one of them, and the edge is tightly coupled and latency and bandwidth. So. What are we missing? What if if you're in the shoes of ah CEO city, Oh that needs now to look into this what what are but they should look. What are they things they should focus on where are the places to put their money? Where are the places to to search? Where would you invest the next? You know budget. Yeah so I think. I think this is a nice circling back to where we started right link and we said that increasingly cloud initiative. Movement and the clouds kill is becoming a very important and so if I am I all right what I'm actually looking to do is to transform mindful structure, but I'm enterprise. Whether I'm in in the Telco world. and. Looking sort of like, you know, embrace, the principles of cloud native around motorcycle location hollow, actually achieve more automation and How do I. Actually really make it easy for a new application service to be deployed from an end to end perspective and Of course that you know means A. Fundamentally different way of like, you know how you know transform, the infrastructure and how actually build deploy A. Deploy and manage applications you know in the like an on premise enterprise, for example, but then how do we also actually provide or elasticity? So you can extend your infrastructure into a hybrid cloud deployment of because I think you know I think every cio that you talked to tell you that there are many unknowns right I mean and there needs not constant I, think you know really significantly depending on different times of the year. you know even within a given day sometimes, you're bringing in new applications you're trying to a flexible capacity and stuff like that, and so the cloud ready can actually extend your infrastructure into hyperscale cloud I think that's becoming important, and then you take it to the whole new level. Now, with multi cloud, right because it's quite possible that I want run analytics and I find like one cloud service Reuter really providing innovative black on. Microsoft's and use In that hyperscale infrastructure and then I might actually like. And or some other micro services I might actually just one program them in a place where I can get like Basically, a best TCU right to what I want to be able to do is have complete flexibly in domes Oh folks where and how I run my applications and then the flexibility wanting around depending on you know on my needs change right complexity, and so if I'm CIO you know I would be really excited with the developments that are happening from a cloud perspective because it's not just about as forming your own infrastructure but also actually a set of technologies are tools methodologies that allow you the flexibility to go into a hybrid cloud, automatic, department. I believe I believe that I'm fully in agreement with you. Let's say briefly touch some some more technology, and after all, it's the future of thick and I would like you to explain. maybe the basics around the Kata containers and clear containers. What what what do we need them? What what are they for and the what's what's Intel play? astle. GotTa. Containers Open source community. It's a looking to build a secure container run time with the liquid which machines that feeling perform like containers but provide stronger would. using the hardware. Technology as a second layer of defense So as you guys know we've actually added a lot of collaboration hooks that actually provides or will relation So what you as an example when you actually have multiple machines or even containers running on top of The same infrastructure you want actually make sure that one container. Or application in that container does not have access to the memory space and you know off the container or much because I think if You don't provide for sufficient isolation. It's a big security nightmare because then you have you know spam applications come in and actually really create a how in. In the infrastructure and do all kinds of things, and so it becomes the the isolation at every level at isolated from a compute standpoint is listening from memory memory would brand isolation from you know or the IOT devices that are actually on the platform All of these are very important. Things to be looked at, and so this is exactly what gotTa. Containers is Ask a community is looking to drive to build a secure. Breath and. If. Our you know already speaking about containers in orchestration. Let's let's briefly mentioned also coburn ity. So what's intels play into accelerating You know maybe performance and maybe some other aspects when it comes to coburn eighties. Yes. So You know before I talk about intense play right I, think just in general actually. what I've actually heard from all the players in the industry everyone likes the notion of clouds and we all actually wanted activity we want to will do. Dry More obstruction so you can actually like it applications and not worry about underlying black on. but. Why let us true people are also what it in the industry that? Huddle, actually benefit from the generational generation investments that are coming in the hardware because one thing that you don't want to have happen is You know when you get next envision new platform As Intel for example we actually add we continue to innovate. The nickel capabilities in the standard sober and be are bringing in new instructions new accelerators. A better latency characteristics. Better quality of service and you want to be able to for the applications to make use of all these capabilities. Though one thing that we're trying to do is while abstraction is important because you know you the power scale and the don't worry about what capabilities are not lying blackcomb. In this scheme of things, the orchestration layer of companies becomes a very important mechanism to expose the platform goodness and so think about it when you are actually deploying a new network of his audio deploying a new application you want to be able to get you that workload sauce that you can get the best performance or you have the right capabilities like for example, if you're. Deploying a cloud gaming woke. You want to be able to deploy it on an infrastructure where you have some GPO acceleration. If you're deploying a watchable Ram five g. you want to be deployed. In the cloud that has the right CPU instruction side and accelerators that. Information for a photo correction you know the voting in those mechanisms and so the way to accomplish that quantities actually. So as a really good mechanism to do that, and so what we've been doing from an internal perspective is with medical community to bring all the platform capabilities to the orchestrations layers. So when you create deploy and manage an application for an perspective, you can do that. With the full knowledge of. where the right capabilities existed infrastructure, and so you're matching the workload like. And so maybe actually driving this set of capabilities called Enhanced Platform Awareness EPA in communities, and these capability suggests not feature discovery as an example. CPA Manager for communities which price mechanism or CPU bidding. And the solution of containerized books huge base of which you know from commodities wonder. On worst it enables discovery scheduling a location of huge pages. So fundamental. Gives you much better performance SOB for networking. So these all the capabilities that we won't actually make sure that we can work with the community and improve or quantities. Sorry for continuing poking container, storage and. there's a good way to. Really bring the platform goodness to bear and could be able to make use of it. When you you know, create and deploy new applications and infrastructure. Can. Now collect to go back to the edge and we we you made several use cases that show how important the edge is in in in the future architecture of of the network and the compute environment. Ozo- The it as a whole Now, we're all speaking about bringing more compute power to the edges Bildt of the edge becoming. let's say the next place we want to to extend the network if you wish or or the cloud depends How you look at it. What are we missing in terms of hardware to make the edge as powerful as we need or are we missing something in terms of Ah Fahd were or devices when it comes to the edge. Yeah. Grecian again, actually and you talk about edge that multiple edges, right so you know that is on premise edge you know as many services. That are being deployed, for example, in the factory floor a on premise that his neck look like in the debate like with you know the radio access networks or five G. becoming is it's a great platform on which you can actually do recently I and analytics and other kind of services, and then of course, on the side of things seeing central office edge, right. So central officers are being transformed and they're becoming almost like a cloud like a mini blow and so that's another place where you can actually deploy on that services, and of course, you can always actually extend into the cloud. So edge I just wanted. A guy find that edge can mean any one of these locations and really if you think about it, what's changing is thirty snow leave. You always thought about you know a client application talking to the clouds because a two-tier model When you think about the edge, it's really the distributor connected computers actually becoming Monday tiered I'd so you can have a plan that's talking to on a blind obligation that's talking to anyone days locations that I talked about, and then that might have components that might be talking to hyperscale cloud infrastructure and things running in the cloud also really becoming like I think the hybrid cloud before Many, clouds sold these smaller clouds won't be located acidosis. Edge. As close as possible to that petition and where the data's and so you know. So that's why edge becomes very interesting now to your question about. How Does the infrastructure look and? Be In this journey You know I think we have already lake with the condition that you set within a fee. And initial progress on native. And you know using quantities, deployments, I think the solution Olivetti, a sufficiently mature that we can actually deploy many Abed solutions today now, of course. That is actually going to be capabilities, board the hardware, but also actually in the orchestrations domain that would need significant improvement as the you know a s we deploy more xhosas overnight I think on the hardware side of things of the places where of. CPO of Nicholson business geared Intel I mean actually looking at is the notion of quality of service and how do we actually really drive quality service in every subsystem in the Black Hawk including in the EU and so we've been actually working on this technology called interest started technology that provides for cash and You know memory quality of service because one thing that happens actually when you deploy multiple. You Know Liam's or containers Noisy neighbor if one of these containers or vm since you know using a lot of resources than you will actually see degradation in other machines are performance and we don't want to have happen, and so we've been actually in her driving this notion to this'll technologies quality of service or cache and memory and unable to extend this in future and others of systems that really allowed you to eliminate or reduce significantly the noisy neighbor effects as. Many containers what machines running on the same infrastructure. So so This to be improved networking capabilities for containers improving the. Capabilities of these are actually on my mind and then on the orchestration side of course, like you know we we today No you. Really, good job of. Managing a all the north in a buster but we we talked about earlier in a hybrid cloud. Now, you'll be with clusters. and. Across Job Duggar physical boundaries and then. In a multi cloud deployment model, you would actually have a multi cluster multi age multi, cloud orchestrations, and so I think. The orchestrations domain is going to see a pretty significant innovations spell right I think that I would like not. So extensions to communities, but it doesn't stop there by I think service orchestration on. Salt restriction is also extremely important, and so we can actually see a lot of innovation in in in the domain of orchestration automation. For. So we are kind of about twin the the show would like to ask you. May Be a final question. If I'm AC- teal and I've just heard all those stuff that we talked about in the last hour or so. And it seems to be very interesting yet there are so many domains we thought without two containers in we touched Thracian and Nah software, and how locations are going to be shaped and this and that. What should be my focus areas? Let's say three focus areas in your is that will allow me to start embracing those brave new worlds and move faster into. Making more organization and Bitter Organization. Yeah. So I think that's that's a you know a very good question right and. you know, of course, chain doesn't happen. I. Think you know it's not light specific and dawn and all, and be considerably just Hey. You know from Huron is going to be a completely different you know Native is not a switch that he condone on I. Think it's a gradual transition Now, the way I think about it is It's also actually fundamentally a change in culture. So when you think about like you know. I think we've all been offer for a long time. We used to talk about things like. Salt releases, and that kind of paradigm right now in the world I think people will tell you that you know vowed develop or things CIC D like integration development. There is no concept of release that actually continuously short like bringing in new capabilities and deploying it. So to me actually first of all see I. I think it's a mental shift and be fundamentally looking at a new kind of assurance after development and I think it's a you know something that you have to believe make a mind shift change and once you do that then of course, like Of Moot Doors. Going, from walk used to be monolithic applications to more mycosis and containers way to deliver Matt Methodology, I think this is going to be the baby actually deploy. Or the next decade you know at least for the foreseeable future and so I think along with that you know you ought to think about. Mission eventually even using I. I didn't talk about this would be thinking about, Hey, can be actually make use of a solar elementary data and Trained machine learning more rules Dr to and US Postal Automation that's going to be eating of course, coutts guility with like. The elastic deployments on on hybrid and Liking a few years more of deployment models, I talk about. disaggregation and you know more abstraction as the key and then Of course, you know resiliency and. Runs through automatic Amazon's so lost things to think about. But I think we are we are actually at a, you know a transition point I think the. There's been a huge progress over the last few years and I think. It's a good time to really sort of like imbibed the the best known methods and what you learned from The hyperscale is and how the cloud world as he ball and as we look at. The future network infrastructure I look at sort of like bringing sold these techniques, all these things that actually would will and matting it up with like a what we have seen in the cloud and. The Vision that I. Actually driving towards is how do we actually make the infrastructure more scalable, programmable and intelligent? That's the month that would likely drive and hopefully. If you'd gaining a few years I would love to believe that the network has become more programmable. The infrastructure is more scalable and we had a more intelligent application era. Great I think it's It's the perfect summary for a very, very interesting and pleasant discussion. Rejection want to thank you. It was great pleasure having you with us and We'll talk soon again. Yeah. Thank you for the Washington d like I said, the beginning of this call love is a great partnership. I actually love working with them. Docs older years in the community unity example if you look together in one. You've done a lot of. Things together and so on. That took infrastructure and I'm super excited Stu what does partnership would result in look at cloud even the next phase of of infrastructure transformation. So looking forward to more collaboration. And loophole talking to you again. Thank you. Thanks. Bye Bye bye. 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The Future of Cloud-Native Technology as the Foundation for New Services

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The Future of Cloud-Native Technology as the Foundation for New Services

"Welcome to future of Tech Hosted by Charlotte, division presidents of amdex technology in this podcast, Ashley sits down with technology leaders and some of the most innovative minds in the industry to learn how they are disrupting the present and what kind of impact they see for the future. No topic is off limits. So sit back relax and maybe take notes because what you here on this show might just be a glimpse into the future. Whether your company is working macleod using on prem systems or managing many APSO hybrid systems. There is no doubt that there is a lot going on under the hood in your tech stack. Who you partner with to help you get a handle all of that makes a huge difference. When you partner with? Google. Crowd they make it easy for you to worry less about managing all those systems and focus more on the things that really matter to. Your Business. On this episode of future attack. Jennifer Lim. DP of management. 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Welcome to new episodes of of Tech. Today, we have with us. Jennifer Lynn to fifty of product management at Google Cloud Than Nash and Goldberg, which is Senior Director of John Nearing. Also from Google cloud and welcome ladies. Thank you very much. Jennifer when. When you're looking at your history and your bedroom. Your self. Dealing with technology. Has. Been An. Interesting career nothing that I would have necessarily predicted I spent time initially Intel. So you know down at the layer of understanding how chipsets are actually designed and delivered, and then spent a lot of years at Cisco in the networking space and sort of three different businesses, one in core enterprise networking, and security I, and then mobility. A lot of wireless and mobility and location services, and then we started a new business around Iot and edge on using centrally secure sensors and wireless networks, and then you know co-founded Sdn Company. So learned a lot about software defined delivery of services and then joined Google and definitely enjoying sort of the future of cloud as Serb away to deliver inexperienced services next. Great and what about yourself? How did you find yourself? Within. Technology. Also very interesting in favor diggers come out. As. Working in central. Really interesting that I'm very much interested in solving big problems that skin. On infrastructure that I was missing the customer throughout that experience. I did it when actually shy we can show that you've been working together and then officials citizens. And then went back to building enterprise software for managing infrastructure. specifically Google there is an joined Google four and a half years ago. Is that I felt it the combination of building break acknowledges that really helps customers and really great poets something that I can achieve in. Gadsden. Amazing Journey. Still between us. So you can also say things are not as great as as as they. Are you know if everything is great? It's fine now. My job. Perfect. Jennifer, can you describe your current? How would you define it? Sure. So I lead a product management in teen in Google Cloud Platform. We're really thinking about a lot of the services that we deliver are both within GCP. Now with emphasis outside of the GP stretching essentially our cloud services delivery to environments like on plan and other cloud environments as well as edge. So product management and and really thinking also about user experiences and how we hide a lot of the back in complexity with the online services that we deliver and how does use your pre bitcoin assist you with your current role. Well, I had a lot of background in networking and security and also was with a startup that was doing ecommerce in two thousand. My background and I think at Google, you know we have really built a platform on a global distributed network and a lot of the way that new services are delivered is essentially know hiding the fact that we have a very global platform developers can move very quickly but a lot of the concerns in the infrastructure are completely hidden from those that are pushing out new experiences for customers. So my background I think helps a lot just because I feel like I've moved up the stack incrementally. Delivering Sdn our customers were gaining customers and SAS providers. Folks like workday and other very large gaining platforms. So the networking being sort of a core piece of that was very important. But at the same time you know hiding the complexity of a globally distributed network security. How do we do? Identity. All of that. I think. Hiding the complexity of that and really understanding what user experience were driving. I. Think it's been a journey. We're learning a lot along the way and you know nobody can never predict day-to-day what's happening a building a platform for change and agility Google culture mindset and I think it's an evolution I. Think we're seeing a lot of change in houses are built and how we can move a lot of that complexity software from from hardware growth. Now, let's go a bit deeper. Of heard that you're providing many many lectures. So give me in like in an elevator pitch. What is community? CABELA's is an open source project allows you to manage. Education at skin and maybe Johnson with Cuba that is is not abide also worth mentioning docker technology. It made Jenner's more approachable to developers and spitting the development cycle so. You to package at your education and move very fast from development to production as once you deploy occupation the new. Challenges. That are created is how do monitoring and logging at interstate application with the rest of the infrastructure and that's the problem with communities. Solving. Data thing I would say so that's not a new problem to solve by reading tried to solve the same problem for a very long time and I think any. differently. History. The first one, eight, very automation mission. Meeting. The goal that you can automate everything the way you respond the way you are a working towards a desired state than having a southgate people be. Allowed us to many things that skill. That's how Google has operating for years and we are breeding. To everyone through a Kubilius lettuce on double bed, we are creating in open API, which is actually critical for two things. At the first sign. It was really also for us or speedo innovation when it's easy and when you have composed systems, you could extend the environment. Then you can move faster by not every chance requires you to change the court and the last one is that culminates delivering on the promise of both ability of workloads many. You can run the workloads everywhere with Communities Ron, and throughout the years of the project, we have made available in working EXCA- in the environments to with dad that really creating annual -tunities, part customers, and also ourselves than what we've seen in the last. Five years is that. Customers are imagining the future differently. You. And that's not really like to. which is a good segue to my next question. So why why Jennifer? What do we need to settle community? So great is open solve the beside world hunger almost all the rest so y. unto. Is, said I think we're a little overwhelmed how quickly momentum around kusnits happening it became very quickly the compute orchestration layer. Of Choice I think the other reason why it caught on so quickly and in the last two years more change has happened in software than the previous couple of decades is because it unlocked a lot of application layer. Innovation, and new applications which are increasingly mobile web driven user driven that ability is mentioned to define the end state a of system, and then make sure that the system converges to that desired end state. So within Google, we're very focused on what is the user experience? How do we get as close to the user as possible and drive a personalized response for that user in an online way, and so this shift from classic it Monolithic Systems where a lot of the logic is built into a monolithic application to highly distributed systems where you have to bring a number of different data sets to the user in real time because the context is constantly changing. So building that is obviously a big distributed systems. Problem Communities Obviously has excited the development community as well as the operational community because the automation also simplifies a lot of the day to life cycle management operators want to be able to just manage the exceptions not be in the middle of cases and operational workflows where they're not really adding a lot of value. So we we automate a lot of those repeatable patterns, but also make sure that we have a control plane that can. Programmatic control the infrastructure behavior based on the actual data and the user experience we're trying to drive, which is constantly evolving and changing. One other thing is security has become sort of a very much a core design principle of what we're doing. So those types of applications where security is built in from the beginning, but it's not correct. It's actually expected as a capability of the platform. So we're really thinking sort of new models of trust and application layer security user level security were once again it's a data driven service at this is really a data driven service for the developers and operators and we can separate those stakeholder concerns, but still deliver the user experience that we're trying to an online way. Can Add tobacco little big just from the perspective. Sharing experience we went from a building Google Kabila's engine, which was just the Patino. Castration. Manage experience something like. Is What we have seen the just posibility work is not enough in our customers actually want us to take control and give them a managed experience where they build a really gives them debt velocity engineering velocity when they don't need to care about those kinds of things. So that's one is it said before imagining innovation. is, really bolted Jennifer, securities a beak on SAM managing at that scale also cost management. Is a big problem and the thing is making on that work. Without, having to teach your team's different set of skills with Adele will do something full data site there off the edge is also very Those things that. Our customers use. Adler. Okay. So help me out here because I have to two questions to clarify some of my an let's say Blur Innis on one and. Google introduced Burnett is there were other solutions in the market competing solutions than A. FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD It is now clear to everyone that there is one leading solution. Everybody's a rounded but Cobra Nets even though was you know pushed law and you're a main contributor is still open and everybody can use it and this is the notion. Why with Antos, this is not the case are not giving up those two are. Done and it's not like a something that everyone can enjoy. So first of all, I'm asking why not take the same approach. And my second question at the same time is that also with Antos you have other companies that offering similar solutions are obviously will be expecting to have the same result everybody will be using eventually, Antos, but you're not taking the same approach. So how? What was the logic behind those? And do you WANNA. Go first and then I'll Chinaman. Thing. Before, is managed experience meeting. We are responsible managing providing those kinds of services private auto gration on experienced. A bringing it to customers. Teams like ACYCLOVIR team John Years Providing so. objectives to our customers through that journey in addition to that. Raises really responsible on the compute layer and give me the ability what kind of Cli, how intimate different identities at security in other parts on we've been investing in solving that problem, and that's very important because. The cloud is actually leading in those who bonetti and making things. Much integrated. Such environment. The kind of things that really take pride in the context of Avocados. Thing I would say it is about the transformation. It's really about pulmonary in the journey of how you can hence your fist empowering with Google cloud and we are grieving, for example, some of the recent Togo so that made is really a emission communities and what do we talk customer to build you experiences through the Yet I would just add. We do really see Anthony as extending what we've done with Nettie and other open source projects like issue and K native What we found is that other folks took the open source and packaged it and put a support model around it, but didn't have the operational domain experience to do it at global scale or with security updates and best practices in terms of policy automation. As well as the leadership of growing an open ecosystem, the first people that got very excited about anthrax were the software producers ISP SAS providers who had to figure it out themselves, but we're using the communities API surface to build their systems. So we just took the next step and said great if we can agree that we extracted the infrastructure weather on Prem or in another cloud provider with the Cubans, eat the server. And we embrace an open ecosystem where if you're a storage provider, you have CSI plugging you can run out on prominent still works as a first class citizen of the architecture or if you're an open source database provider, many of our customers have communities on prem where they are running with A. Either an operator or a current compliant implementation with CRT templates. So we took that the next step. So it really has moved and Google is a large company, but we're not GONNA do this. Ourselves were really focused on a strategic partnerships, and if everybody agrees that this is the next phase of cloud service delivery we want to work collaboratively across the ecosystem on. So as I mentioned the first people that embraced aunt those were. Those customers and partners that had already embrace this architectural model and ask how come the other hyperscale cloud providers were forced to reverse. Engineer AP is or forced to take their data services or their proprietary services. Google is the first hyperscale cloud provider that embraces the notion of hybrid multi cloud with an open service platform, and we're pretty excited about that. It's very early days, but it has moved very quickly since we made that the announcement. Kept. The platform and mostly with the help of a lot of our partners like like antics. Ladies will come back to it because there are some open questions that they stated like to gain a bit more, and now I would like to understand the Google approach into. tacos. So Jennifer maybe first of all, what's so important in Google, is in this domain and why is google interested in in the area of circles? Yeah. And I'm personally also excited about this similar to enterprise this move from it monolithic systems. From single vendors is really moving to, let's say, five G. Edge data driven services where a lot of it is about delivering a customer experience. Mobile Web I where? Customers. Expect that level of personalization. A of this is, how do we make sure that? We hide the complexity of all the various proprietary systems behind the scenes and make sure that we're using resilient global platform to deliver services with innovation the pace at which we can move in cloud as the supply chain for new services is phenomenal and I think even with the recent sort of pandemic what we're seeing is a huge acceleration of our customers moving online and you know trying to get out of human middleware where essentially we are bottle-necking service delivery on manual processes or approvals or whatever. So as hence had before, we want to be able to stay the desired intent and the rules up front whether it's a security policy or an audit compliance rule in specific. Location those are all things that we can define in the system upfront, and then just manage the exceptions. So I think the the telcos are very excited about evolving their traditional managed services to this more cloud services model because their customers are demanding it, we've done a lot of things for instance, in mobile banking and retail ECOMMERCE, many of our retail customers as an example have. Their plans for online commerce from traditional you know brick and mortar retail delivery because they're seeing in this age where the expectation is workers are remote, they can. Do transactions from anywhere and you know they. They really do want to move quickly with machine learning systems that are not just sir from the data center. These may be local compute at the edge with drones or cell site routers doing personalization for a specific location in a certain zip code. A lot of that is personalizing the experience based on who the user is, what they need to be delivered on and who can. Help them at that point in time. So the the the evolution of service activation and service delivery and service monetization of how we do the metering in monetization cloud is very much based on a granular consumption model where simplifying a lot of that in those with subscription models. But under the covers, all the telemetry observability, all the diagnostics for a pure online consumption model is there and that's a huge advantage to us with emphasis well. So. If I'm a a fireman thiokol and obviously, I would love to have all those good because either I visited Silicon Valley or or at least I've heard about Google. So is is something that I would like to to enjoy an yet. I have you know as you're fully said the lot of and this is not just goes but the entire industry still a lot of legacy applications and local. to an extent monolith apllications, and we are going into the next few years of. What we call a hybrid environment. and rightfully. So you also mentioned you know all the the edge arts and stuff like this. We are on one hand extending the cloud or or extending the IT and on the other we are trying to bridge the gap between the. Ecosystem. In what way you believe that your solution will address the hybrid ecosystem. Yeah, I'll. Start. When we moved into the enterprise space, what we heard a lot of our customers saying was come to where we are and then help us accelerate our past the cloud and for many of our customers ninety plus percent of their data is still on prem. There are specific environments like financial risk data or fraud detection that ninety five percent of that is already in the cloud because it's very much based on machine learning algorithms that aren't available on Prem, but for many of our regulated. Customers, they have not yet moved the bulk of their proprietary data into the cloud your. So what we wanted to do with those move, the operational model and the manageability model and the automation model where that data sits, and that's why we moved You know at those into customers, data centers, and in many cases that has accelerated their past to cloud but not for many of our customers, they're never going to have one hundred percent of their data in our data centers we have. An industrial manufacturing customer in Europe where their factories essentially are their private cloud, they're in production with Anthony Today they're doing a lot of analytics with partners like sap and their own proprietary data models. They really needed that cloud services model with their data that was sitting on Prem and with a security posture that essentially would allow them to know meet their audit and compliance needs as well. But we see you know as a head mentioned, we want to deliver that consistent experience and abstract the deployment location of the cloud environment because no customer knows exactly what the Knicks will be between. On premise GCP and other public cloud providers. But essentially, they don't have to revisit how they define their policies how they think about their SRA operational model. How they do CIC pipelines. It's all very consistent because it's based on an open model that is moving very quickly in the industry. So as we've mentioned to roll times, let's for the sake of our audience fun. Can you can you are again give us like a short the finish off what is this theory also mentioned the ESA Lozo maybe give us a few words about that as well before I'm asking you the next question. Practicing extensible cycle ability engineers, and those are teams. Expert engineers with making sure that the. is are up and running, and the way they do it is. By building, automation and making the system and really investing making the system self heal itself and really. Identified in reduce the noise and really what matters that it's on. The second thing that are investing on the timing is really ability into the system. Understanding what's happening in heavy data? All dealers, what we're doing is using it to define the official ability other ability expectations what we expect every seven to mid and will host monitoring like twenty four seven was interesting. We've GCP's that we took this cycle ability engineering practice, and we are also extending that to our customers. We have customer inability engineers are working with our customers. Almost naked ahead write practice. Now you've also mentioned as lows and which is usually people are using the term used to use the term. As. So Can you give us? The short explaination what's the difference between the two and? Even into those maybe corker, which is also native which is The first thing is that we are deciding whether the integrated indicators for services, which is some indicators. Once we know what we're going to measure, we can set objectives to those indicators and many times. It's actually very critical. Staff is the Dow many choose the ones are the most your experts. Towards ample measure, different things, and be objective. Soleil is a service level agreement. This is usually Will buy their end customer where you agree and. Those delays also eventually oxo there is consequences of not meeting the so it was agreed. For the Sake Afar audience will recommend some additional readings that way we can find in many of the Google Uh. Libraries s series I think concept that you more or less contributed to the world. And are many many additional readings related to it's obviously we will not. Dwell more into it, but maybe in the future episode. To an extent, he stole so related to other relevant topics that we've mentioned so far. So I wanted to make sure that we are covering Jennifer. You've mentioned the fact that you came a startup and probably working in his start up it's a different mentality. You know working round the clock innovating, making sure that things are happening and stuff like this. How how do you cultivate same experience when working in a big firm like well, Google is definitely not a classic company I will say in Google has managed to retain that concept of small teams that move quickly against sort of a common. Architectural, paradigm without being developers are actually quite a free to operate. Within their teens but once they check their code in, it goes into a common system and a lot of the security and ongoing diagnostics and troubleshooting are baked into the system. So we've emulated a similar thing with that those where not just you know Cuban Eddie's and how we manage the container orchestration in compute layer and abstract the infrastructure in any flickering but also how we move from services to micro services. So for any API, let's say for a given application. It may over time be composed of thousands of micro services and to hunts point earlier, we really need to understand are those services behaving is the communication between those services no secure, and you know we will assume that those services are being delivered by multiple teams working in parallel against a automated pipeline that then goes in front of a user as a unified experience. So Google has operated this way with thousands of engineers that are they're empowered to innovate and then a highly. Elite no operational team that essentially can operate that no launch billions of containers without the end user realizing all of that complexity that's being managed. So I think the Google culture as mentioned a lot of how we work with our customers and partners is that ongoing engagement model where pens teen from an engineering perspective is working very closely with our customers and partners to not just understand the technology but also understand that the the culture behind it and the engagement and collaboration model and Google even with the meat and. My kids are growing up with those collaboration tools. It's very iterative model. It's not set in forget it's not configure something in. That's how it will be for the next few years that was sort of classic systems but that is very much not the way it software and services are being delivered now. So we're embracing change in the culture very much embraces change and agility, but also operates at scale with the governance around cost security. And that's what's exciting. I think very unique Hon approached by customers a believe that the the issue is not with the -nology depth within Google and your expert, your engineers, but it might come from a different thing which I was wondering. If. You didn't encounter in your meetings, which is, why should we use open source? Isn't it very risky to US Open source did you see shifting in the last few years in the sense of customer are more willing to embrace open source solution Is it something that comes up in in your meetings or people are now Sees open sources something that the the there are okay with. ME. A little bit how I got into. Welcome. Tell us. About eight years ago I was responsible for building. orchestrations. When I was twelve. Yes. and. My team we were doing responsible for a builder experience. And I asked my team. Hey, why aren't we using? Our product and they said, well, it's not opened off and there was some things fit. It was clear that for developers they appreciated the transparency and flexibility of technologies. So owning their on. And that made me think we took out of there. And made open source that was actually one of the first in open source project by HP softer backpack. And I think that's something that many teams take pride actually controlling the faith and having flexibility. So when they need something, they can troubleshoot a. people really appreciate in the last few years but we also see many companies. It's coming from executives very strongly is concerned being locked in. So it's not just you know Paul develop of the law city flexibility but tweety the ability to have an exit strategy. And that's something that we're that leading into Maccabee wants you to use ankles juicy because it's the best of you're not locking union creating for you options to use other solutions from the eco-system really followed nearly with the system is that will be the second. Thing that we again is is related is wrong diplomatic cloud and hybrid strategy and really using technology. It's actually less than API's. Is. What makes it possible to run the same technology stack San Workloads everywhere Definitely. This comes as an advantage on my people are interested A. Juicy. Now I'M GONNA. Ask You Jennifer tough question and I hope. You'll be open with me what can prevent or block. Antos from succeeding. Yeah, I think we're still early days. Often, what we find is our barriers are not necessarily technical. We are moving in many ways from it driven system to a cloud services model where you have a number of interdependent dynamic services that are more distributed automated. So there are some human processes that are changing. And thinking about how we balance agility and risk is often not a technical question it's often a business question. Once, we moved into. The new verticals like like enterprise regulated industries with Anthony What we found is We really had to number one captured developer excitement. So Google traditionally, very well with software producers. So in many enterprises, people were already using. To, build new mobile services. But also now we're engaging with a number of different teams in any enterprise the IT teams security teams, the cluster administrators. The mobile development teams, the CIO the Seattle is, and what we found is this is really a collaborative platform where each stakeholder defines the metrics they're going to measure success, but it's a shared architecture. So everybody can embrace the user experience that they're looking for. If I'm a cluster administrator I really do need to see a lot of the low level details of the infrastructure so I can understand and troubleshoot. But if I'm you know the security person. I have you know I want to look at the threat model and I WANNA. See where my leaks are not encrypted or where I'm not gonNA pass my security controls in audits or where the policies are being violated by certain tenant group against the are back access controls that we've already defined. If I'm the end user I, don't WanNa see any of the underlying infrastructure I just want fast resilient services that are not interesting. So I think that is what we've found as the biggest barrier is often just working with people in an iterative way to embrace the change. And move quickly but also address a lot of the stakeholder concerns because there's no one team that's going to solve this themselves very interdependent at the platform level. Group. So what have something maybe to the to the both of you When first of all I'd like to to define to the audience. What is deal is all about and then? Once you will do it. I will share with with with our listeners that you worked on it with IBM and lift an out suddenly I was reading that it was out of CNC F and now the world. Which is looking for you know. A good solution is is wondering what will happen and And I'm wondering as well because the world needs again this. Standardization of of solution. So first of all helped me out to explain what is still is all about and then helping out to understand your strategy of urine you're out you're in Europe what what, how are we going to the Soviet at least three of us and then what he has to the rest of the world? Can take stuff affect. Suffice studying media technology. What is still a project and I? Think that's the thing I would highlighted is an open source project Which everyone could use? To better the Community that she composed by many many different companies in different developers and what does it decouples the service to service communication from the application itself and it's really impairs you to apply a for example, the security posture do your services. Scheme absolve ability to managing what you said before the ball s allies in those in a consistent way without doing any and specifically what I really like about is still it can work a not only full competitor is workloads, but also any work right the big talker than saw that's happening that we've been building on especially with Antos because we understand you know going back to what you said about the legacy environment at the importance of integrating everything. About the open source at aspect. I think this Golden Classic Classic show classic words. The about the open? I think there is A. Limit Confusion about so still was never part of the San Sierra. To begin with, but he been open so. Always makes me again this is a community on there is a governance model a and this is being managed that way ever since day one and the community but there has been investing a lot in building that ecosystem cycle figure with you of Larry. To create those standard API and Vic Steinbeck have been adopted by many of the hybrid black folks today and offering. That is stunned. Interface. We are committed to still and continue investigated making that available and making that these thunder industry. Okay I'm not over was it will continue Jennifer anything to add in this. I mean I would just add like a hand said from the beginning, put it under the most permissive open source license. It is really grown very rapidly as one of the fastest growing open source project. So we had no concerns about no lack of awareness or. Lack of partnering in the Ecosystem Evolution of the community, one of the key things that we did was define a lot of the models for the control plane both from traffic routing perspective and from a security perspective on how we issue credentials against a vendor agnostic data model, and that is something that many of our ecosystem partners have embraced and I, think you know it's still early days in this. Transition to micro services. But the reason that we you know open source did was because many of our customers and partners were realizing the complexity of managing micro services. There is no way we can do this with manual processes unlike other service meshes that were out there They didn't address security upstream. So that is the reason why you know IBM on the Steering Committee and very active you know initially. from the open consorts project, they were doing around the Mesh to join forces with. So that notion of using a sidecar proxy where nobody needs to write the application again, but you pick up the benefits in any environment increasingly, you know not just containerize environment but also the MVP environments that model works. At various levels of the stack, so it doesn't have to be at layer seven, it can be. At the network layer as well, and that's a huge bridging function. At the end of the day, we're really trying to build bridges across different environments, different technologies, but hide the complexity so that the whole industry to move faster you know Google open sources, thousands of projects very few are actually in a foundation on an often night is I think we have built a very robust. Community around it on and. Off. Is wildly successful in terms of building the communities community but many of our customers. Sort of the service mash as inclusive of communities but addressing many other things. So we want to be very collaborative but a lot of the things around governance and adoption were doing you know independent of the donation to a foundation. I'm not going to go. So easily because you know the the world is looking for a standardized solution and both of the SMI. Say API is that everybody is looking to standardize around their service mission I I was thinking that is would be that one and you know. Now that we've seen half of the industry around semi SPIC and and and the API and the only tool absence. phenomen. So eventually I think that the industry needs something now. And I was kind of hoping stretching out for you to to pick it up and eventually I believe the industry will will converge but instead of fit like being in the let's call it the classic days or the legacy days. Let's make. And make sooner than later. But this is my own opinion. I believe that eventually you know things will will will converge but the. It takes time and understand it's a big fight around. Who is going to win the battle and I can understand it you know sometimes, technology is not the only thing that rules in businesses those implications. So I can I comment of it? Sure. Sure. I can stay in all about the extent you also headed coordinates. At does it mean to evolve standardized API's I? Think one of the things that I appreciated the most. Is that really customers and users, and that experience we have evolved API's ambivalent solutions. And it became the defacto starbucks. That experience and through managing any through getting success and that's exactly are focused with is still it is being. Used by many companies including redhead than others using steel today, and we are evolving API's through real customer experience and trying to create in. On top of it, it might be limiting because we don't know yet or the use cases. For evolving such a commodity, still a new technology and I really believe that we need to continue an orthopedic community customers and finally I can standardize those API's that will help us. To, the teacher yeah I would just echo that you know our largest customers that have worked with. US. In the context of Sto. In many cases, they've asked us. To continue in this current model, be very customer driven. One of our customers that's in production. Now is very much You know doing a service Mesh across multiple clouds and we've been working with customer from Missouri beginning. So we are very market driven I. Think we generally never say never. Because things change evolve, but were very much interested in really stay focused on customer success and problem solving and doing that at scale, and so you know already, I think this is moved very quickly actually much faster than what we had expected and with our initial customers. Within very market-driven. Joining for maybe a follow up question out of your many many children in the Google cloud Kenya mention few are the other than let's say Antos and Coober Netease which which you would like to stress out as being. Unique and you like them, I wouldn't say the most but you know sure I, mean from a platform perspective on. Changing the game on computer orchestration with communities was Superfund, obviously service Mesh how we think about US alot management for or services is another We didn't talk too much about a religious. Our our organization also invest very much in several technologies which are our customers my next local. Developers love it because they just want to be able to think about a service endpoint and light that up with the know you are l. and not think about a lot of the underlying infrastructure. So we have cloud managed product that cloud run on. On for customers that essentially want to manage the infrastructure underneath you know, I also managed sort of our commerce capabilities. So how we think about your billing in our marketplace third party ecosystem providers a lot of that is about as I mentioned, how do we think about you know metering and monetization cost management and how do we extend that to you know our ecosystem? And that is once again, we do our native services, but many of our partners want to be embraced into the platform itself. So, the plug ability of the system whether we're talking about infrastructure layer or You know data classification service, government services, machine learning a lot of the things that are on the marketplace increasingly are things like the Kogo nineteen data sets and she learning models that have come from. Google but essentially want that consistent go to market and distribution model that is very much online where customers can click to deploy into an operational environment that navy. JCP. But maybe something else I'm so that is all in the vein of how do we move quickly and do it with the industry. In a very collaborative way grew. So I have lots of favorite children but I think that's why it's interesting to work in a platform that is also you know embracing a third party ecosystem. I would like to Echo Jennifer homemade you talk about Quebec. Has. Attention. Do so much more products that keep abilities of DC that are integrated. For example, just talking about Google carbonates engine, it will never be a capable of doing that kind of visibility and. Cost efficiency without relying on Google compute engine. For example, are observability capabilities, Becca of biomonitoring, logging and. Trading Platform. and. We have I love stick experience overall. First of all I think it's a joy speaking to people that love there the work and I think it's on. So as human beings, it's It's good to to be working in a place that you love to work in. So I, think that in that sense you are both luck or three of us are very lucky because I'm not working at Google Batang working attempt docs and I feel great and I think that we are in indeed in such. A great time things are progressing so fast innovation paces is amazing and and every day or attaching new stuff and every day. Is a new frontier in a new law, and there is no stop to the imagination of people in the ISV's and ecosystem, and it's just fun to just sometimes you know to step aside into watch and you see how rate the world is. Speaking about the world, how do you see the Covid nineteen if at all effecting your daily work or the way that you're used to or is it like? We are cloud we don't care. Yeah. That's. Super. Interesting one. We have a customer advisory board and many of our customers also said, we have to embrace the fact that things are unpredictable and You know how do we run a business and grow a business? Business continuity resiliency at global scale when you don't know what tomorrow is going to bring. And that is I. Think you know thinking about a collaborative platform that is plausible where you can manage your risk but also innovate at scale. Covid nineteen just shows how unpredictable the world is on. Google was fortunate enough to be pretty much online already, and so we've managed to sort of maintain an engro productivity and help our customers grow on and pivot some of their strategies to accelerate online. But at the same time I think it just shows how different you know sort of needing to understand the data in a specific region, and then optimize your strategy based on that and do that sort of think globally act locally is super important and I think a lot of the things that were really thinking about our. Ability were almost running out of time so I would like to maybe have one more question to each one of you With a with a to tweak. So stuffed with you hunt let's let's assume I'm system architect CIO, that needs to design my next generation. Cloud you know next steps. what would be the three items I should look out for when when approaching this ecosystem. Going on. Our journey just for the sake of. Technology is. Not. Understanding how you're going to measure success and heavy you might along the way will help you and your team to. Be Successful and the second thing I would say definitely. Be Cautious about But as you said before it also about changing. Fields and adopting new process. So finding. Those change agents within your team. and seeing how you can help that happen successfully. Is Very, potent and. Thing. Is I don't believe in doing everything at once or even replacing into. So thinking about what can be, what would be the their systems that you will need to integrate and whether the set of constraints admitted that in consideration when to this new technology will make it more successful. And Jennifer you'll. You'll. You'll address I'm I'm not a CEO of of a big local. And I've heard about the Google and I want to enjoy the the benefits, what are the areas that I should Strive. To look at first when approaching gay Google Cloud I. Think. You know understanding continuous learning I think is super important. Nobody has all the answers I'm. Thinking about the state and being willing to change if that's not the case you know rapid prototyping and iterative development. I think is something that culturally Google does quite well and also embracing a whether it's partner ecosystem or collaborators in a distributed team. You know the transparency and building trust across. It is an ongoing thing i. don't think anyone has all the answers to that. But culturally, that is quite different from some of the environments that we've seen traditionally where you rely on one vendor and you just assume that the integrator will pull it all together. That's actually not. An environment that allows folks to. Revisit the problem statement and course correct and south he'll and optimize every day. So we're very metric driven understanding what we're measuring ourselves against than what we're accountable to but also being willing to continuously improve is I think a huge cultural aspect I google, we measure everything whether it's infrastructure telemetry or the health of the services or business logic performance in your top line growth but I think understanding what to measure and how to share and communicate that is. An ongoing thing that we realize we don't do ourselves. So how do we build a platform for that both from a data and technology side, and also from a moving the industry forward with communication point of view culture is even within the organization that we are in culture is number one and we're lucky to have leadership that believes that very humble but excited about moving forward innovating. Ladies, it was a pleasure having you both It was really interesting I believe that the hopefully will meet soon, face to face. 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The Future of Open Source in the Mainstream

Future of Tech

44:18 min | 3 months ago

The Future of Open Source in the Mainstream

"Welcome to future of tech hosted by official Charlotte Division presidents of amdex technology in this podcast Ashley, sits down with technology leaders and some of the most innovative minds in the industry to learn how they are disrupting the present and what kind of impact they see for the future. No topic is off limits. So sit back relax and maybe take notes because what you here on this show might just be a glimpse into the future. It wasn't long ago. That very few companies were comfortable with the idea of working open source, but the world has changed and as Chris Right says, open source is the new normal. Chris is the senior vice president chief technology officer at Red Hat and on this episode of the future of tech explains how Red Hat has helped source go mainstream. Adviser everyone in the tech community to become part of the open source community. 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And we're going to speak about many items related to obviously rather an open shift and containers and Coober Netizens, and you know as time goes probably some other interesting topics I I'd like to start maybe with the kind of personal question you know how how did it all start? Had It all start? Yeah. Well it's never a straight line path. Is it for me? It started Really, as a kid, I was always interested in computers and did some programming's starting with my Commodore Vic Twenty I always wished I had the commodore sixty four but it's outside of my price range and just writing basic programs actually went to the local university where I could take some classes not university classes but just classes aimed at kids that are interested in learning basic programming on that. Got Me interested a lot of that was about reading games or even just getting your name to scroll across the. Screen and flash different colors. I mean it's pretty easy to entertain yourself playing a basic space invaders now. Yeah. Exactly pretty easy to get enthusiastic about something that you wrote since you do right now and over time my interests really went towards physics studied physics in school and doing a physics degree to spend a lot of time in labs, generating tons of data and spent a lot of time at a UNIX workstation, crunching all that data and there was something about the UNIX command line that I always liked. My Dad is also a computer guy and so. At home using dos, the same kind of command line. I. Just I like the combination of Arcane information that you needed to know in order to get the job done. But. It wasn't completely unintuitive. Maybe he didn't know the name of the command beforehand you couldn't intuit what it would be. Once you understood it, it was easy to kind of get your head around the logic of what was going on. I was really like that. So when I left school, I got into the tech industry. And it was really just somewhat timing. Coincidence that I spent a lot of time distributed systems and telecommunications products, and all of our tools were open source not for any reason other than they were the best tools easy to get access to we ported across sulfurous and dynamics and dining speech since go and a x and all these different UNIX platforms having a G. C, C tool chain was really useful going to sun sites and getting. A Bash, south Shell, which was better than the Korn. Shell game with a standard UNIX distribution. Those kinds of things sort of started me down a path towards Lennox and ultimately I landed in a job spent full-time working on Lenox and what an awesome experience that was really just changed my perception of what's possible in terms of how you build software collaboration. Let's. And that Bachelor today is what brought me here so kind of a circuitous path. Kid Physics as a college student and. Tech Industry leading me back to token, sourcing and next. Funding because? Of Warm. Barth to those who like a command lines as opposed to you know. To the one that allows you really to touch the heart of the system as opposed you know as opposed to. The traditional. Way of doing things and you know you mentioned also sun microsystems not not many of our. You know put Gusta, listeners probably knows that there was a company that was named Sun. Many of them. You know but if you had the the fan of playing aches as opposed to Lennox probably this is also something that We share the in our pastor I was working for IBM for several years and. I also worked with with the XS. Kind of you know UNIX machine. And you know many years after IBM. Went Full. Journey into Lennox and then eventually also you know they both read at what stage in red you've joined the company it was a small company B. Company back then. Yeah it was relatively small. So the the sort of the brief history of Red Hat red hat was founded in the nineties and it was founded around building a lennox distribution called red hat lennox. The audience for that Lennox distribution was really tech enthusiasts. So more consumer focused than than enterprise focused and the way you'd get the distribution was potentially downloaded or Get it as a CD in a magazine and it was more about sort of shrink wrap software and t shirts and hats kind of creating a consumer focus around the technology that enthusiasts could get excited about that was in the nineties, the company IPO Ninety, nine and early two thousands. The business model fundamentally shifted and that fundamental shift was the creation of the next generation of that same Lennox operating system called Red Hat, the time advanced server, but now had enterprise Lennox and that had a focus on the enterprise. So very different customer base, different kind of intention behind the business. That's our business focused today. So that's that's the modern version of Red Hat. I joined about two thousand five. So about fifteen years ago, and when I joined the company was around a thousand people. So I didn't literally everybody but I knew many people and I knew of each organization and I knew somebody in each organization if not everybody in St Mark Stations. Today were fifteen thousand people. I promise you. There's corners of the combat. I don't even know exists just because we're at that scale. I certainly don't know everybody I. Don't feel like I have that one degree of separation to everybody we've grown quite substantially. And in addition to just the number of people are focused has expanded. So we started as a company focused on Lenox and an operating system. Today we have a portfolio that's much than than just Lennox and it's really about bringing open source technology to the enterprise to help the enterprise change improve transformed our business just a much broader view of of what we're up to, and it's been really awesome to be a part of that whole journey. When I came Lennox only we added I started to help bring virtualization as part of the product portfolio. Around the time that I started, we didn't acquisition of Jay boss which brought a whole set, of Java, based middleware capabilities to your portfolio, and it's just growing ever since then. So let's let's go back to the working on the so you've mentioned one change, which was you know I of loading twas all these techies. Thank you guys, which were very fond of the ideal having the ability to change the kernel probably. And then you You moved into the paint guys charged enterprises. Guys that are putting the money and allow you to grow as a company, but as a concept. The concept of using open source as the core quote unquote asset of a company something that you don't own it someone someone else's it's you know it's the the property of the community right. Sharon with me a bit about the philosophy behind it. Well, you could probably segment that into two different philosophies. One is will start in the open source side. So outside of Red Hat, the community Fossey. and. Even there it's a little difficult to say the community auspey because there are so many communities there is variation on a theme to make a really broad brush. Stroke communities are focused around solving technical challenge. So I would just call that collaboration around a shared vision and the. Open source community is really develop a sense of the importance of the technology that you're building just for the sake of the technology and what's possible with it. And we which means it's not inherently commercial focus. It's really about building the best technology. And in that context, a critical part of the whole process is being engaged being involved, and typically we would just refer to that as contributing. There's different ways to contribute. You could contribute code developer you could contribute a bug report as a user. You could contribute documentation as a writer, many different ways that you can help a community roll forward. But the whole notion is, how do we tackle a really large problem with a group of passionate motivated people focused on? Building the best technology. And really contributing and creating this community experience, which enables because of the open source licensing principles enables anybody to have access to this technology. So it's really democratizing the process of building as well as the access to. Which is a pretty substantial concept. All by itself Red Hat has more carshield focus. Our philosophy is about really working with the upstream community communities have. We use terminology in this world, the open source world. Community collaborators that are building the technology and some also users users of technology. There's a notion of upstream or the location where the core contributions quarterback minutes happening. And then Some derivatives that can come from the upstream open source software that could be commercially supplied products those tend to be called downstream. So our focus is on being directly engaged in that upstream community as a way to influence the community understand the details of the technology. Billions of prerequisite to deliver this the enterprise. In a certain sense, it's. Sort of standard enterprise software products in terms of capabilities and or expectations, and what what a customer would expect. So our philosophy is ensuring that we're deeply involved in those open source communities. We are just part of those communities everything that we do in terms of the products that we deliver. All of that code goes into the upstream community. First, because we believe that it's the community that allows the software to scale and be maintained over the long term, it's not a derivative fork and a company focused on that derivative fork. and. So it's really critical to us to continue to push all of our changes into that upstream community to help build a velocity of the community to make sure it's sustainable. And also, you can think about our development process is collaborative across the industry. So us to move really rapidly we're subset of the overall development community were not the entire community which means. Were able to leverage the talent of some of the smartest developers on the planet working on really challenging problems whether they work at red hat or not it just a very different way of looking at how to develop software. And then deliver it to took US tumor. How often is it that you will Let's say provide or contribute something upstream and it will not be adopted well, I I couldn't give you a statistic just like it happens it's well. I. Promise You. There are examples but the way what we tried to do is really work with the community. To enable as close to one hundred percent success as possible back list of features or requirements that are critical to customer that need to be implemented in in the community software, and that's not always fast. So sometimes that can be very time consuming an arduous process. We generally are successful in in the outcome but. Maybe not in I try. And maybe not as we initially thought, it should be implemented. So Ganic takes time there could be some shifts and changes along the way, and it's really important when you're thinking about making contributions to community that you think more about the end result. Than Who Solved? The product. About. What problem? Than who solve the problem or how all because what happens is you get really attached to your idea. Here's the solution and the communities viewpoint may agree on the problem statement but disagree on the Solution Wada Conversation can happen in that disagreement and outcome could. A positive outcome from the point of view somebody WHO's trying to influence change look like a completely different implementation from what you originally started with. Maybe even done by somebody else if you look at it from the point of view of impact, the change, the answer's Yes success you look at it from the point of view. Did I get my code merge the answer's No you think that's not success The whole process and as a result why they were pretty successful in his why we spent so much time in. So much of our engineering resources directly involved in the community to build the trust and the depth of understanding so that we were, we make suggestions they're architecturally clean. They really fit the design patterns of of this offer base. Gives. It just brings US level of credibility which increases the likelihood that our co changes will be accepted specific example which I think helps illustrate part of the challenge. We're working with a customer actually was a slack group of customers in some. Common Industry and they really wanted to feature. This feature in open stack what they wanted was an API that allowed you to correlate. In a virtual is cloud environment, currently a physical CPU really running on bare metal to the virtual seaview that's inside the virtual machine. Pin those things together PHYSICALS EP number one maps to virtual CPR number four. which doesn't matter who I wanted that the point was that level of digging under the hood doesn't really make sense in a cloud environment. The rationale for why they wanted it was a certain type of application performance acceleration. So we changed the conversation say what? If you say give me a high performance virtual machine under the hood we can wire these virtual CPU's physical CPA's. You don't need to know those details. What you know is you get the same accelerated processing environment that you're after that was a long conversation. Took months of fourth and trying to understand what's the real problem we're solving. Multiple. Proposals of how it could be solved. Ultimately, we took the feedback from the customer in the partners influenced the community and got those changes in kind of process is just how we work. It's it's what is required to be successfully influencing communities. So, I have kind of a bidirectional follow up questions on stopped with one direction, and then I'll go to the other looking read that and and the the likes of Fred that and you see the now Microsoft not now but recently acquired the guitar and you guys were acquired by IBM. So do you see there is a future for you know mid sized companies to continue and augment and flourish in the open source community or eventually you know giants are giants and there were also vita their stake into the into the community. It's really tough questions on Give You my perspective certainly, not the answer. So I'll start off with saying. Red Acquired by IBM Microsoft acquires get hub. These are examples illustrating that I would say open source has one and gone mainstream when I started open-source was sort of a fringe radical idea and you had to convince executives at businesses. It was safe secure Putin to run their business on open source software at conversation happens occasionally today but not the norm. And there's over one hundred, million projects get. There's over thirty million developers focused on all of that all those projects as a huge effort across the globe of went open sources today. And in that context, there's just the broad economic world. There's a lot of consolidation in larger companies growing. Different ways to compete across different industries. So there's kind of broad change in how businesses are built I guess you can say open source is infused in many of these spaces whether it's a small startup is focused on a single technology or a larger company with a whole portfolio technologies like red built around round open source I think the common theme in there is open sources. Better cheaper faster way to build and deliver technology acknowledged understood. The business models around how to build a thriving successful business around open source. There's a lot more question marks in experimentation, and so I think it's maybe the at the hardier question is. How do you take open source and turn that into a successful business independent of your size and you know there's there's consulting led businesses that are really focused on the technology ambien consultants on that technology. There's open core business models which sort of blur the line between what's open it was proprietary. There's portfolio approaches like like what we red hat delivered as a service many different models I think that the concept of open source is here to stay. The business models around how do you take open source software and successfully commercialize it will continue to evolve at in part. The cloud self has changed how users consume software. So making sure that we keep pace with that change is critical to how open source communities will evolve in. Around will evolve. So now I think there's one outcome which looks like massive consolidation you either get bought or you go away. There's another outcome that looks like sort of continued innovation and business models and proliferation of a variety of sizes of business I believe that latter model more than the total consolidation. Consolidation at an industry level is not healthy. And I I know there are so many clever people that you'll see disruptive business models in a new approaches that help is of all sizes find a way to be successful part of what we try to do at Red Hat is a platform and on board a large ecosystem and many of our ecosystem partners build their software products from open source. So there's a nice symbiotic relationship there were reporting one another so it would kind of. Brings to my aunt night my nick was sandwiches So how do you anticipate open source evolving or what would we be? The future of open source is the same as today or do you see some fluctuations and changes? I think there's a couple of trends in the industry that will impact what open source even means. So today we have a pretty solid understanding of what it is. There's a large number of licenses. Already, those licenses try to encapsulate different ways of creating freedom around intellectual property. There's two changes I think really shift how you think about open source software and software development. Almost. All of the existing projects, today licenses almost there's a few exceptions are focused on building software and then delivering it as an artifact or a product. So take it give it. Give it to have. You go set it up, run it when it's turned into a software service whether it's. Sas Managed Service Pass whatever the delivery model is quite different and what's interesting in that delivery model is the software that's inside the service that you're using is less visible to the user. At that point you're interfacing with may is it surface the internals of the service and you're leveraging the operational experience of an operations team? That's somebody else's so for software for open or software to evolve I think one important notion is for the software projects the open source software. Projects to think in terms of how do we operationalize the software, what tooling and automation and just user experiences matter when you're running the software in general more specifically thinking of running it as a service even what API's do you surface when it's running as a service which might look different from a database of deep. You can dig inside you got a million knobs you can turn as a user maybe you have a fairly simple upload table, the table kind of interface. And transitioning to that world where we focused on with the operational experiences, the automation operating the project as a service, even delivering capabilities through API's as service I think open source software projects need to evolve Matt Direction. That's one area another one which is harder to picture with the outcomes like. There's a a massive explosion of data creation analysts will give you different numbers. You know all the world's data was created in the last x years of those great in the last six years, point, exponential growth, and. Say roughly doubling over the course of a few years terms data volume, and the same time open source projects are really proliferating in the space of managing data, creating insights from data machine, learning, deep, learning, all these super exciting topics largely happening in open source communities, the data itself and the associated trained models represent something that looks roughly like source code and binary artifact. In an open source community context, we understand licensing source code and the Associated Binary artifacts. What does it mean in a world where data drives the binary artifact? And the software used to do the model training is open source that the data isn't. So I think we'll have some interesting. I don't know like evolution thinking. Probably constant conflicts of interest in terms of where we have shared pools of data that helped advance the state of the art and where data is proprietary and I. Think. So there's going to be interesting intersection between data software, this manipulating data and the artifacts associated with that combination of data and software two. As I think, the open source world needs to evolve operationalizing software in thinking of data as a citizen, you've identify think rightfully. So the hybrid is as the next evolution of our industry and the fact the data centers are becoming part of of the cloud of the cloud is you know going into the data center new with their GTO like one big mess that we need to. To look after if you look at it from perspective of companies like I don't know HP vm were EMC. and. The likes all of them are more or less discussing the same phenomenon. All of them have their own philosophies. Are we expecting now to see the? Few years like a kind of four gardens. Reddit. Philosophy of how to operate these hybrid environment and there will be the vm were philosophy of how to do it and they will be the Amazon philosophy in and and customers will need to. Decide are there and Andre Chop. An Iowa shop and it will be like the same thing with. With the hybrid cloud. A great question so I have a couple of different thoughts on that. One one I don't think it's going to be. Walled Garden, per vendor I think there will be some level of commonality and then some some old guards. The large car providers are really building an entire infrastructure and looking to service the breadth of enterprise needs with their infrastructure. You can call it a walled garden explained moment how they're still some I dunno perforation in those walls for. Ways, to create commonality in the other vendors are looking to leverage software to build that common platform and so those in a moment digression the last twenty years saw a fundamental shift in how computer was delivered at the hardware level. So twenty years ago, the data center was filled with vertically integrated risk hardware and unique software coming from San. Be Ibm. SGI. All the vendors, the combination of the x eighty, six platform and Lennox disaggregated those layers enabled flexibility in choice. A, created thriving ecosystems gave choice to the consumer. The Enterprise is drove cost system, and ultimately Lennox became the focal point for the industry across many different vendors and customers in industry segments. Everybody has slowly brought their focus to Lennox as a core platform in across the industry, which makes it an extremely valuable important platform. There's different lyrics vendors. So there's some different ways to consume Lennox, but at a high level, having all of the industry focus on that common platform treats amazing power and a level of flexibility and choice that you didn't have when you had fragmented UNIX. Environments Communities as a platform takes a single. Server that runs on a single bare metal stretches across a cluster of either physical or virtual hardware, which is the basis of what we used open shift that creates are open cloud platform. The industry is spradley focusing on communities in a similar way that we focused and continued focus on Lennox, and so I think that there's a number of industry players who will look at Coober Nettie as as a way to build this hybrid infrastructure much like Lennox created choice harbour level Cuban Eddie's creates choice at the cluster level. and. So certainly that's what red hat's doing I. Think you'll see that from other companies and then the place where the walled gardens get perforated or or how I want to look at it. Take Red Hat as as concrete example. We have a strong partnership with Microsoft and Microsoft. Ron's managed service called Azure red hat open shift. So they run a managed service that's open shift aws similar scenario IBM. Same scenario. So In that context even cloud provider is enabling a kind of continuity. Leads to a hybrid cloud. It's it's not their core strategy. Their strategy is bringing enterprise onto their platform. But do you see you see Google play the same way or you see on to says kind of? Yet. Another flavor of. If not full open shift, but a glimpse into the open shift to win. So read as a strong partnership with Google, we don't have the same managed service that is operated by girl that we do with the other providers today on. Time, what the future holds. We run open shift on Google. So we create that choice for the customer difference weather just Google do it or not an aunt does itself I think the way I would describe it is it's just an acknowledgement of that hybrid cloud world and it's Google's way or or tool for enabling hybrid cloud, but in Google centric way. So it's part of the Google's set of services, which is that's maybe closer to the walled garden description you described earlier, it's more specific to. Google set of services, but it's using communities and it's aimed at that same kind of cross infrastructure deployment environment or hybrid cloud environment. Let me pose for a second and go back into the personal questions and ask you know fifteen years down the road. Your you didn't anticipate in said it yourself is still be around what what drives you, what, what bring us the energy you know to to continue to push and find you topics to be interested in an And still you know do the interesting stuff. Yeah. You know. So I started at about fifteen years ago, and at that point in time, it was pretty common to take a role for three years and then move onto another role typically at another company. To gain broader experience, get compensation increases as part of the part of the culture, tech? Industry? I. Absolutely Love Open Source Software I love the process of collaboration. I. Love. The technology that we're building and I believe that today open source is the innovation engine for the industry at large. Frankly there's not a ton of companies that have what red hat has in terms of the ability to build a massive product portfolio all from open source software tapping into all of that innovation helping push forward the state of the art of the industry in open source communities, and then deliver that as commercially viable products like we're in a pretty unique place red hat and what motivates me is that notion that were introducing something fundamentally different to the world enabling a level of of change in capabilities for the world that is just unique and at a daily level I have the opportunity to learn because we're just involved in so much and there's so much change in at a. Broader level my sense is the notion of collaboration and the Associated Trust and transparency that comes along with really powerful collaboration is such a fundamentally different way to build and deliver things that it shifts how we work together and it creates this sort of way we we describe it internally is open unlocks the world's potential. It's a really massive driver beyond just the creation of software. So I you know I feel like, I'm part of a broader movement and passionate about what's possible and bringing openness and transparency as a entrust tools that enable us to do things much broader than we imagine certainly more than any single person or single business could do. It's a pretty exciting active. I didn't imagine I figured two years year three years. They're just keep on that path and your yarn. I can imagine you staying with red hat throughout my career. It's pretty pretty awesome place to be rude you know I was reading I. think that many of the. The topics you've mentioned are am I read about them in India? Open Book that was written by Raph founder and CEO and I was wondering you mentioned open shave obviously started with the red knocks what other interesting project are engaged in today well, I'd have to put open shift in Kuban Netease in that bucket of of really exciting interesting thing. Because of what I was saying before where the industry over the last twenty years has brought, it's focused Lennox that's fundamentally changed everything mom. Is Not Twenty five years old. It's more like five years old. So it's early stages of its life cycle. It has all of the kind of hallmarks of that broad industry focus and as a result Kuban at as the core technology is critical but there's a whole set of projects that are evolving emerging growing around, and that's adding capabilities directly to go remedies to prove it from development velocity point of view with CI, Pipeline Integration and standardization to service environments to observe ability in telemetry. I. Mean. All of these different ways that the platform is evolving to take on this role of central critical platform not just for red hat's customers red hat's product portfolio for the entire industry. So I would still put Kuban It's super interesting important exciting. Some of the satellite projects that are wrapped around Kubis other key areas would be data processing machine learning deep learning. and. What's especially exciting to me about that is first of all gone through a few artificial intelligence winters. As not the first time, the world's excited about what a I could do. What's different today is number one proliferation of tools that make it easily accessible to data scientists in even developers. Of course, those tools are largely open source tools. sperry directly related to do red hat hardware has evolved to support machine learning specific workloads. So A and we have massive amounts of data. So the ability to actually take the data train a model deploy model in a meaningful timeframe fundamentally different today than it was ten years ago or twenty years ago. So that's a super interesting exciting space that is just. At its very beginning. Earliest days of what can ai bring to the world that's not skynet in like robots taking over the world. But what are the positive things we can do to improve? The kind of enterprise side business efficiency engagement with customers to really tapping into understanding and looking at new discoveries that are informed through digestion of massive amounts of information. We've already generated as humans of hard to keep it on our heads. You know there's there's a lot possible with data and AI, which makes it a really exciting space, and then when you bring Cooper Netease into the picture communities at his court clustering technology. And when you scale out, you need some type of clustering and the scaled out data processing services historically have always had their own clusters today. Those clusters are the same as the application clusters. So bringing application development data scientists onto the same platform fundamentally changing of insights week get an can infuse into applications which I think again is why communities itself is. So interesting when you look at ai and data really exciting space. Important. In the context of edge computing where massive amounts of data moving the data around getting real time feedback. Means, you look at how you distribute your compute closer to the data sources. So while edge computing is a technology, it's leveraging bunch of these technologies deploying them in a location that makes those technologies maximally efficient. and. So a lot happening even down at the hardware level where if you go back five or ten years the early days of cloud, the cloud propagated this myth that all compute cycles are equal. Okay. Small medium large. More memory little less memory couple more CPU, abuse but general also cycles are equal today you go to a cloud the number of instant types machine types numbered well over one hundred. Those are all variations on forms of how you assemble hardware to accelerate specific types of workloads. So all the way down at the hardware level, we're seeing rapid innovation in. In. Intense cores and graph smart Knicks and FBGA's all this stuff happening up and down the stack and it's open source that helps It gives developers access to features that are expressing it hardware, and you know when you bring it all together. It's just super exciting. There's a lot going on and it's hard to name like the one project, but certainly, Kuban Eddie's is critical. And data another really important area and one of the things personally fascinating is quantum computing study physics I care about quantum mechanics. I find just amazing and mysterious. I, love. The math associated with the potential of quantum computers is, is itself stuttering really remarkable probably won't just replace classical computers. More of a type of computing that's going to accelerate certain types of tasks. But as that comes onto the horizon I think that has the potential to have really powerful impacts to. Medical discoveries and material sciences and things that will have palpable impact to human life. Sure. I'd like to end with. One last question which is kind of. People that listen to this our city what will be the Three items that you recommend them to be focused on in the coming. Few years what what should they draw attention to when they are looking into? The future and how the industry voles well I think there's a couple of things that are really important in and actually would say the cloud helps demonstrate these at a at a high level. So from a business point of view, I think the the two key areas are from a technology perspective are, how are you building operational efficiency and developer velocity on the operational efficiency side? It's creating a common platform called the hybrid cloud. So that, you have an operations team that can focus on operating common infrastructure with maximum efficiency, which includes extreme automation and even infusing a I in an intelligence into the automation process. So ultimately, we're trying to build autonomous systems systems that manage themselves. So what are you doing to improve the automated capabilities to focus on running your infrastructure support of applications? I mean nobody runs infrastructure just to burn electricity developer velocity increasing your developer velocity has direct correlation to improving revenue growth. Done some studies with with analyst partners at show improving your developer loss, the index can improve your revenue growth by three to five times. And what's interesting in both those areas automation is critical. Having a common platform is critical. Leveraging intelligence is valuable the developer side you're leveraging. Data and intelligence from your business to better customize a customers experience or. Create better better solution the so I think operational efficiency and developer should be front and center of all of your thinking. A key platform hybrid cloud platform at. Some out thinking where data and ai play a key role in your business hanging. Really important. And also looking at. Little harder for me to admit because I'm a technologist looking at where it's not just a technology problem that you're solving. But when you think about open and transparency in collaboration, its organizational structure challenge, how do you introduce a culture and a people process part of Your Business, the supports, rapid innovation, and experimentation Because, it's through experimentation in small iterative changes that you'll discover the critical new opportunities that are that are important for your business. And that not only technology like you. You have the Best Technology Foundation, a terminal process and no collaborative culture, and you won't be able to leverage all of that so. I think it's kind of a combination of of of those things. Great Chris, it was a pleasure. I really enjoyed the time out of Sharia. And I want to thank you and hope seeing you soon face to face. The Greater Area of Boston. That'd be great. Thank you. Thanks for listening to future of Tech. If you like what you heard and want more, make sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast. APP. And if you have any comments or questions, feel free to write to our hosts attache Charlene directly on linked in.

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The Future of Using Technology to Build Relationships

Future of Tech

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The Future of Using Technology to Build Relationships

"Welcome to Future Tech Costa by Charlotte Division President of AMDEX technology. In this podcast APP shy sits down with technology leaders and some of the most innovative mines in the industry to learn how they are disrupting the present and what kind of impact they see for the future. No topic is off limits. So sit back relax and maybe take notes because what you here on this show might just be a glimpse future. If you ask, Shane Map not thinks about the current state of technology. He'll tell you that he believes tekkers buried and started really twenty years into the full use of the Internet get Shane beliefs. We've already become lost artifices and technology. So what if we told you that the future of tech might actually be creating a world that allows us to disconnect digitally and reconnect socially Shane is the VP of Congress social and he's trying to build that future which he calls a world of APPs in this episode, we will talk about how shame thinks technology will evolve to help us to become engaged person with the money in this industry is going to flow what consumers brady level. And different shake to the Telco and communications confidence. Future of tech is brought to you by Docs tech and docks. Tech is an boxes RND and technology center paving the way to a better connected future by creating open innovative best in class products. Continuously evolving the we work learned lip to learn more about 'EM DOC's visit the AMDEX technology page on linked in. Okay. So Shane it appears that your like proficient in podcasts I would like to will come As Marketing Partnership at Converse Social Previously Co founder CEO of sees also say that you wrote the book stop with the BS lost music and have nearly fifty thousand followers in his blog. You know the first time I read it I was asking myself with fifty thousand followers and you like music why high-tech white technology you know go and sing a song do you need us? You know there was a moment in time about two, thousand six when I think my mother was like, are you gonNa move to Nashville or are you going to move to somewhere else? In. My brother actually is about ten years older than me. And he lived in Seattle and he was like. I lived in a small town in jail annoy. Little Ten acre house in the middle of nowhere and i. kind of made the decision to just move to Seattle see what would happen and about the same time I really found twitter and facebook and like Oh six seven and they're all these little communities of people that I'd never met before my life that were just inspired. They were all building cool stuff and started learning how to kind of do a little bit of coding, try new widgets and just fell in love with being able to meet anyone in the world and using these technologies to go kind of build anything you thought of, and it was just as addictive time for me where it Kinda just drug me into. Building. In meeting people through the Internet and that's literally how I got my first job in tech and I didn't notice stop was added go to college for startups and it was more just something that was really really passionate about and it just fed my curiosity to keep learning more about it and then fifteen years later I'm like Shit I never moved to Nashville. Okay And then you're passionate about technology or the usage of technology or also you know you're still practicing coding and stuff like this. Was it like I haven't coded in ten years I would probably break all code if I coated today. Okay. Good I. I'm really obsessed with the way that technology connects of us. That's always been my passion and that goes into even doing bots and robots in the future. It's still connecting people to services, businesses or each other and I've always been fascinated by that especially in a language and communication of how it's changed. When I saw twitter, I saw the ability to text message anybody in the world I remember every friend of mine in two thousand seven saying how stupid it was and how dumb I was even think about this like short form you're just taking not today thing. It was at the time. And I just I always saw it differently of a way to connect more authentically more personally in more efficiently it's a lot faster and so. You're seeing it play out now and now fifteen years later, thirteen years later. Now we're starting to talk. Now are starting to talk to computers and we're talking to Alexa Alexis, talking to me and you have Syrian your head and so all these things are happening. Now, which I think is just another interesting area that obsessed with of how we're gonNA, talk to. Technology. this is going to interesting to see the journey also to witness how things progress. Since the early days you're not that old, but you're old enough to our to observe some you know looking behind and seeing how things was in today for sure twitter and the the other names that you've mentioned all of them you know progress the law and in worrying completely different environment do SEATAC tech is continuing to evolve and being part of the Let's say next fifteen years or you think we came to our point in which tech service role and now we're moving into exploiting it. I, don't think Texas even started yet. Tech is like twenty years old the Internet we know it today is like twenty years old. Twenty, like that's crazy and every stat is actually not as big as we think, everyone's on tech but ECOMMERCE has only ten percent or the amount of people you know businesses that are online and have a website is like not even close to that sixty percent of people still make phone calls. So as we say, like has tech happened I don't think text happened at all I think it's been a great infrastructure and they're just phases. The first tech was like searched the ability to find anything in the world and that was the Galera then was the social era that got us all on there and it really brought identity to the Internet the next era I really believe is about getting things done. The Internet now can be predicted. It can anticipate what I want. I can start doing things for me. That era I think is actually the biggest era that no one's even understanding thinking about what's coming the other era required us to do work like why did you spend so much time on the Internet do not send fifty thousand tweets in ten years. That's a lot of time. If you add up every single in that took so long to build this connection the next is not the next air is about removing friction. Automation will start getting things done for me in all the opportunities actually had to be rebuilt in a language era different than a website air, which we're coming out of, and I don't think we've even I don't think we've even started like we're just getting started and all the exciting stuff is just about that good and do see like kind of in your dreams or or Anura Vision. Do you see something like minority report evolving out if this in our deficient diligence capabilities and? The Internet knowing everything that needs to be known and predicting what what you're going to do next and stuff like this. You know you can look at it. There's always to look at it. Right one is scary way out minority report and everyone's monitoring you. I always tend to be on the like fundamentally optimistic side and I do believe there's good intent you know I was working with the people early on in Social Internet all of the teams and executives they were investors in cystic etc.. no-one had militias intent. No one actually believed also that it would cause presidencies at the time like you know what I mean. So a lot of things happen that were much bigger than I think anyone's grasping we're in there's a lot of work they everyone needs to do to really get back on track with things that I think weren't really thought about early on with all of the social platforms that said the next wave of assistance this is. The way that I think is what changes consumers lives we're coming out of a search era search was about finding anything in the world to get things done and when that happened every business in the world had to change how they did search or their website. So they showed up in search right now we're moving into an assistant era and this is totally different, and there are a lot of implications that could go wrong. In the system era is about getting things done. And this is why you see Siri and Alexa and Google assistant in these voice assistance really pouring all their money into this because what's happened over the last ten years all the API's have been built to expose them to mobile APPs. So what I think happens is actually mobile apps completely go away. But what they did is they set the infrastructure to force every person in the world to build API to expose all their systems. So. Now you've exposed all the systems in the world. And Alexa, Google Assistant Siri or the voice assistant we haven't thought of yet can now talk to all those systems and what's happening in the world as you have four thousand systems over here on the left four thousand systems over here on the right. Of those systems by the way is a human. So if you WANNA be a haircut, there's haircut software this calendar, there's a phone and there's to a person, the consumer saying I wanNA book a haircut. They're talking to the phone they called him the other websites auto format ever but now they're going to Google says I wanNA haircut and Google assistance get a call or fill out a form or do whatever it does to know how to talk to those systems and now language becomes the thing in the middle that ties together all these systems in the world that don't talk to each other and when you do this now. We're able to move up to consumer intent and what's going to happen. The future is every single time I talked to Google Assistant. This is why you see so much money going into the air handling empathy writing and making them so that even when they don't know the answer, you don't mind talking to it. You're like, oh, it's kind of funny. But what they're doing is every time it doesn't work. They know everything you want. That is game changing for everyone. So now Amazon and Google and apple, they're sitting there saying, what does Shane want that we do in how do we do that in that infant feedback loop is the loop that will drive anticipation and prediction. And really when it happens in, it's like you're haircuts booked. We found you the best insurance Blah Blah Blah Blah. Blah. What's going to happen is If have an assistant that can reach out to ten thousand insurance providers at the exact same time. Some of them on a form, some of them are an email some of them are on the phone. My Bhatt is going and talking to all of these systems or people it knows how to negotiate what the other price coming back on. This one is state farm is a little cheaper. This one's actually more expensive. Hey, state farm me better rate and I'm sitting over here. Just I trust my assistant. And the trust game is the game and that's why you see so much going into that is because whoever I trust in the future is who I talked to and who I talked to you is who can get me everything I want and then we get into on a computing which is more like you're you know when I get it happens and short this is fascinating and we'll come back to it in a minute because I have two observations. One is there is indeed a nice demo by Google about introducing a haircut the guys calling, and then the the bought is jetting with With. The lady and eventually has a you know an appointment take a haircut man I read in your somewhere in your big that in a previous role of yours, you sold to t mobile anywhere the T mobile head for twenty four hours, and then you bought a rolex because he wanted to do some business with what about the the personal interaction do those are completely disappearing in your Waldorf Api's because you know if if boats are handling everything and API's are there and the everything is being handled by your imaginary assistant, why do you need to the human factor or are we like redundant? Is exactly the opposite what's happening is technology disappearing. What we don't realize right now is we've already disappeared because all we're doing steering devices all day. Every day were not interacting and you've watched us just spread apart and people at dinner tables at eight people devices not interacting. We've already disappeared. What's happening now is technology is going to be built to get us off technology. and. That's what's happening. That was our mission at assists. We built software to get people off using software because I was watching all this. Okay and I was like this is bad. It's up to US self control to actually be aware of it and take into our own hands. That's why you see meditation and. Anxiety all these things on the rise, right? Because we're trying to get control of our lives with this thing that's always coming at us. But I would argue that we've already disappeared from technology and we're already just staring into these devices in the abyss. If I have something that can go do things for me that takes ninety percent of the time away from what I used to have to do to go in and do it by just having a voice in my head and Siri hasty who? Can you go get us a reservation for tomorrow and then I'm back with whoever I'm with I'm not staring into my device. I would argue it actually brings us back. Do you believe that like traditional? The Way we interacted in the tech industry with potential customers is again also cyclic doing a full cycle in the sense that you will see more and more face to face meetings or are these days are gone I think about this in two ways okay. How do you build authentic relationships? I don't think that happens face to face in person a synchronous whatever it happens in a conversation. I would argue that I've done business the last ten years and been able to sell. Sea levels whether it's the CD OF GMT mobile. All because I do business in a message. And I don't use email ever like I use email but like if you ask people I work with usually about an email like my assistant used to manage my email and just not it's not my medium like cine over this one way communication is not the way that I think the world works. So I look at like zoom like this is a relationship that. We're starting to build like you know we kind of talking, but it's synchronous where here were present in presence and listening and curiosity in video and being able to connect and see your face like I mean if if you're an Israel like that's so cool that you're over there I'm here in next time we meet will be like man that was great time eating. That is that is what I love about technology and I think the more you treat it just like how you interact offline often be amazing but the relationships can now be formed grown and built through mediums online. And that's kind of what I'd done the last ten years everyone would be like i. don't see how you sell your over here like Tweeden or your own texting or whatever. But the conversation is the relationship and I've always believed that and so on this space that it's the same thing I'm like whether we're offline or online or whatever what's happening in business is the way that people are working with businesses is turning into the way that I've done business. The last ten years, which is it's a relationship that gets better over time, which is just a conversation, and now it's going to be augmented by automation or not based on. It can get it done for me completely, and for me I actually feel like it's actually making it more human. The Social Internet didn't turn out to be human social internet actually ruined a lot of things and I. think that's the interesting point is social media didn't play out hovering thought. Everyone's on a pedestal everyone's public everyone is putting themselves out there and their best light. No one's vulnerable. No one's having personal connections but there are people are having prescriptions but like it had a lot of implications that were negative but it had an ton of implications that were positive. This space is more interested, which is private one to one interaction. Whether. It's video whether it's messaging whether it's talking my a series that trust it and I think that space is actually going to bring a lot of humanity purpose in connection back to technology but maybe missing something maybe So tried to explain to me, I, think that I understand the philosophy behind what you're saying but. Wouldn't it be kind of different behavior from a C. level person that is like in his sixties or fifties And teenage shore a Gen Z. Just started working twenty four years of age and completely agree to the way that you've just described. This is his life. Wouldn't the behavior be different and striking emitting with Gen Z. person will be much easier for sure but the sea level still expect demon. No I think this is why the whole everyone's flawed. saw going to be a story three weeks ago I'm sitting in my apartment and I get a text message. Hey man great story love this and I was like I was like who is and was like Chris and I was like Chris who he's like McCain the CEO of one, eight, hundred flowers. and. I had never message him but he knew that I always was the messaging guy. I was always messaging his executives Arnie used to be at IBM for eighteen years my whole relationship, and this was our first customer, our whole relationship with Arnie the CIO amid the CMO, and then the CEO is how they text all their family and friends everyone's texting. My grandma was always like just please text me honey it's easier. texting actually has already completely ubiquitous everyone at every age groups already uses it. When you don't think about doing business, you build relationships that's the secret. So therefore what happened was Arnie and I had a great relationship we talked about life his kids is off the war and Mike I got to watch him do that omit was awesome. He would do I knew like the relationship between Armenian omitted the company Chris McKay always inviting do private dinners And it was just relationships and they were actually the ones messaging me and Chris can I don't WanNa call them because Oh probably listen to this he's he's over forty. Fifty but like he's amazing, he's amazing and then we had this long conversation about life and then he was like, what do you think of this vendor? We kind of talked and I was like Hey I know I definitely stay away from that. Oh thanks man and all of a sudden two hours later we're still talking. No, the world's already changed. Everyone's just trying to do. And then everyone who isn't in understands it. They're like. No one can figure out how they're doing. How they work in their not tracked in because systems on track. So. Then the boss goes well, how do we track in salesforce a man? We need to really understand how many messages are flowing in and then I'm like. Well, you have four percent open rate and I have a ninety nine percent open rate I'm at MC conversation in you're not. So like I don't know out tracking and texting in your is is is everything or tweeting. Or is there a specific channel or everywhere now? What if you doesn't matter? I, think whatever. Is the most personal channel no-one's exploited yet? So right now, I'd probably be Tiktok to people. Like I'M GONNA. TIKTOK find people I'm doing business over snapchat twitter DM's I message whatever just where you're being your most authentic self and that's always been the case. That's why ten years ago on twitter was so powerful and you know I think that's just how always kind of thought about it. Okay and it's hard for people to grasp for what it's worth and then people I don't know how it works. It works. Yeah. Kind of fun something you get used to then you don't understand how you live without it. Let's pick a bit about your current role and vision to the industry. So take us through let's a one one course of What's the essence behind the vision that your company brings and why is it so fundamentally changing the? Grasp the market and they casino through the phases and explained to us the ecosystem and then the big change tour bringing. Yeah. I think to start digital for the last twenty years ended up with the website. And a live chat on your website that kind of became a billboard between you and your customers didn't actually build relationships with your customers. It actually puts them further away and what I think's happening now is the whole world was built in silos. And what I mean by that is big company X. Say Verizon they have a do not reply email they have a support at email they have a website with the phone number that goes to a different department and they have a live chat which is also sold by different team and they have all these different channels and they're forcing the consumer to choose to which. Channel to contact them and they're not looking at that consumer as one relationship they're looking at that consumer as a session that go solve, and then once it's solved, they're done and I think what's fundamentally changing is one consumers love messaging like love everyone uses the messaging APP on their phone ninety percent of the time. So they don't Wanna down the APP they don't really. They don't really want to go to your website. They just have a had a way to communicate with you through messing. And then to is messaging is persistent and lasts forever. When you texted me and you said, you know motions who I know from my dogs, I love him. Our relationship is built grown and. Business solely through I message, and so the future looks more like that. How you communicate with your brands you communicate with your friends. But with brands. That, consumer just wants the right thing the right answer or to get something done, and so if you can add automation to certain use cases and integrate the systems to get that done, it's this hybrid of Oddsson humans together that creates a messaging experience that is the single most channel that I want to use as a consumer, and now it allows me to do everything. The website could do in more everything the phone could do in more in also I can ask things that I actually thought I asked because I have a relationship now. And so what's happening is I don't think even going to websites in the future for ninety five percent of brands in the world. A website is irrelevant completely irrelevant for businesses that were built for websites like the yelps, the four squares, the open tables, totally get it but open tables, even irrelevant open tables API because systems can talk to each other in the had to install their own system that's gone because you can basically use language in an assistant in a Bot to talk to that, and that's why reservations is one of our biggest use cases saw that middleware software I. I would argue as an really weird spot next new, world? then. The big vision is this I don't think high it is in the hotel business in the future. Because hotel rooms are a commodity and if you hear every day Amazon's making everything commodity than you ask yourself, what's not a commodity and what's not a commodity as the relationship behalf through customer? And this is where infinite feedback loops learning models are the secret because if I went to high said Hey I'm just curious because I'm messaging them and they have a relationship that has all the history, all machine readable text and everything about Shane said given daycare nearby and it's you know what? I don't know but I'll find out. and My co-founder actually founded Geek squad of assist, and he always said on the back of every squad uniform was. If I don't know I'll find out. because. That's the infant feedback loop, and that's what the bots and the humans will do, and then that gets logged as an air and it says, we need to figure out the answer and then what happens is we respond back in an hour and say, Hey, we actually went in search. We found the best three day cares nearby and I'm like man I really love high that was that was great. I wonder if I could ask them to make a reservation for me can you make a dinner reservation for me boon plugging reservation Sure. And then I say, can you teach me how to play Mandolin? And they're like what we don't do man we don't play Mandolin it logged as an air, and then maybe a thousand people decided that when they're in hotels, they wanted to learn how to play music and what a cool offering hotels can offer to give people music lessons while they're on music trips or business trips, and they're not doing anything, and then a year later they're like, you know what we're going to launch this they have a new youtube channel called learn anything at high, and it's a beautiful way to learn with teachers online right in your hotel room in response back to me and says, Hey Shane name when you asked him to learn lessons we just launched Music teachers in all heights in the world mind blown relationship grown, and now what is hired as a company it's not selling hotel rooms selling experience and it's selling making my life better. That's where this goes. Messaging is the channel that you can hear everything I want messaging also is conversational, which will also be higher Google Assistant, right? It's just my ability to talk to high it in a personal way in get back either a person, the answer or the right bought to be able to do. Thanks for me that I think is much cooler vision for the future, and also where I think brands really have to think whole different level because it's not about selling you more. It's you'll buy more if I make your life better and that comes from listening. And doing these feedback loops in the combination other channel where I can tell you what I really. So, very interesting and while you're describing it, I was thinking isn't it exactly what series trying to do and if so they're so dominant do think that there is a rule for someone else maybe maybe Google will come with something but I is there a place for someone who is not a a website giant with already one million APPS? You don't call them apps but you know abouts S- a thousand percent because it's just like the Internet there's a lot of businesses bill even though Google owns the starting of everything right? Okay and so when you can think creatively and how to make people's lives better there's so many opportunities to be. Unique and different, and the way you go to different websites I still go to Amazon us or go to Google. There's a war over that but I go to two different websites I, think you're going to go to different bots. So what's going to happen in the future is I trust Alexa to do shopping for me I trust Siri for everything on my device that's with by contacts with my location because I really trust Siri in the privacy in that no one I trust Cortana with Microsoft spot anything productivity cortana actually, I love talking to hey, Cortana really. Can you tell my co workers that I'm off today? Do not disturb mode in please Schedule not office in my email boom that I trust Google assistant for anything information sports, scores, anything on the Web I WANNA, find information book reservations because I know the open table, etc. so then hi, it's opportunity is what's unique to high it That those people won't do just like what you need to hire today the Google doesn't do I don't know there's so many things they can do with their six hundred properties. How do you make people's lives better on property? How do you make the experience something like the guitar example that is digital that is teaching that is healthcare those wellness, all these things that are emerging the world how does your digital layer be unique to you and then I asked Hiatt because I trust them you know why they have the best wellness people in the world. The five best athletes in the world are the reps for high it now, and they've modeled there coaching program and into a bought in did you know high at teaches classes that frigging the founder of cross it and Lebron and Tom? Brady are actually the ones coaching me? It's insane. No one's thinking like that. Everyone's scared of the other ones are and I'm like it's the same thing have on the Internet is a billion websites. There's a lot of businesses on different ones and you're going to choose who you trust and I think that's the keyword who you trust for what use cases who you're gonNA talk to. Brands at the stop thinking of themselves as a commodity product and start thinking themselves as a relationship. And then I think you get creative. Very interesting and this kind of innovative thinking probably is not something that you're reaching for the last forty minutes with myself. Probably it's a bit longer and. My question to you is when you started to push to that direction. Was the world there or you're like speaking to people and they completely didn't understand what you're talking about. Internet, and what is it all about in took you some time to either break their heads or them to understand that something is changing they come on a never ending game for the next ten years I don't think the world's there yet to be honest with you apple business chat opened up a year and a half ago Google Assistant St- has very few brands on it that are actually people using it. Infrastructures there for the last seven years building assist. We worked with all these big platforms on the infrastructure and that's how long it takes. But when I talked to the CEO of it actually I sat down with the new in Chicago and how did you reach him? You sent him a check. What was the initial contact? So there's a leadership coach that I really love who just wrote a book cal leadership is language. It's phenomenal. It's this book right here the Hidden Power of what you say and what you don't. And David Marquette, was the former navy officer had nuclear submarine, the Santa Fe, and I think he works with or something with Mark Who's e of Hyatt in high. It was already a customer of ours and so we were working with high. And having a dinner in Chicago and I think I invited David and then the dots connected and he said Oh I can ensure you to to mark. Mark and I have a great relationship he emailed us through email but the way we communicate it was like three word responses. McDonald Friday. Cool. Saab after lunch. Great on. We I stopped the head office and it was great and he talked a lot about their vision of wellness as as. The future but also to your point, he gets right and so I talked to the chief digital offer officer of MGM Kelly Smith Love the Scott he gets it came from building the mobile product at starbucks they're trying to remove technology from the experience but make it a completely automated frictions experience. Now, they have the number one mobile APP in the world. So when I talked to the sea levels at these really good brands, they get it, they really get it. The problem is it's fundamentally different than all the infrastructure built for the last twenty years for the web. That's what's hard in biggest secret that I say is start over. Like you gotta just start over from a customer experience standpoint in it starts with designing your organization because what happens now's you have three silos between marketing sales and care they all have their own incentives and motives, and they all have their own budgets and their business models aren't aligned, and so the people that are succeeding at this is there they get they get the big picture they get the relationship that's forever and they get an always improving experience, but they have to redesign the care to live under marketing marketing turning into customer experience, and then care is turning into a retention metric, not a cost metric. That's the way to redesign the organization. If you want a line, a single customer experience that is best for the consumer. There are brands doing this and I think a lot of our big brands are talking about it. A few have implemented it in you have to start with your organizational design. That's a big ask, right that's a huge hurdle. But if you don't, you're going to have one experiences and we'll be right back to the do not reply email support email problem and not having a really great singular experience and within this experience what you see the role of you've mentioned bought but what about A and is it part of the experience or is of yet another API that you will. Send to someone in get the analysis about a specific territory specific. Dialogue. The answers both and the reality is. When you can watch a conversation you're basically watching intent the entire time right. So he is some buzzword that's kind of like saying the Internet but hey I in this context is language understanding in predictive. tied to your intent go right. What's happening is Now that you have the machine readable text from the consumer talking to the brand forever, you can start to really build models that worn you start with do I understand what they're saying, and then when I don't do, I have great air handling to be able to trap that so that I know how to go train next and that's the feedback loop right now. If I don't understand it. We goes on a log. A human has to train it. We train the the NFL you now someone asks for anything in that intent next, it's all program to build and do that experience. That's a huge training lifted like none of these brands of route to do either like that whole. workflow people aren't doing that today they're like launching a mobile APP staring metrics dashboard and being like. A little fall off on screen three I wonder whether fallen off that's all gone. Right, and so take that and say how else is going to be applied. It's GonNa be applied for everything. So there's GonNa be another API which we actually have used in a few prototypes with NPS Wide Mail, which is a company was an investor and assists and he was the founder and chief scientist iffy Harmony Galen Buckwalter and he created the algorithms of emotion on how to match love. What he's been doing now is mapping language and feelings and psychometric graphs the last twenty years. So we plug a non API that's another analysis we can do on the intent to say, how are you feeling? And now based on if your fear angry sad or happy joyful, etc. The body or the human both can have the knowledge to respond in a different way. If you're really angry I don't respond from the bond and be like, Hey, have a great day. You want to be like you know I'm really sorry. And so that's another API and there's so many API's and so when people say like I do a I am a, you're probably full of Shit to be completely honest when you're that general when he gets specific about it, I think there's thousands of API's AI systems and lingered understanding in different ways to analyze conversations, analyze people you see it all over right now right like grammar, Lee is doing it on top of your language crystal is doing it to know how the person you're about to talk to likes to be talked to based on how they talk. You're seeing it with like otter and Gong and all these new tools are popping up but what they're able to do is analyzed. Talking in conversations and I think we haven't even seen like a scratch, the surface of all the ways we're going to be able to help do prediction and analysis on the language and conversation that we're having. But but we're doing it today and I think we're just scratching the surface. Okay. So this ignites two different questions I'll start with the the obvious one you said, there are so many API's and there are endless opportunities. So. Bringing up, start up today as an entrepreneur would be something relatively easy. There are endless opportunities you have the API is there. What's the barrier of entry for someone to to ignite a new a new start up an tomorrow offer golden called the same thing as someone else I mean if the questions how to start a start startup in a lot of thoughts of what not to do this is my second question. Yeah. I think the way that I look at the world and thing I've learned the hard way over time. Is Whenever. There's a big market emerging. The superpower is actually to think smaller in where in the stack is something that you are really really uniquely positioned. To build something that everyone else in the stack would not do themselves and just love to yours, and so in this doctor so many layers, there's the protocols and connectors to all the platforms that so much work to keep up to that was what smooch nail just got acquired by Zen desk go layer down, you have the intent modeling in the router. How do you decide where to send this message Oprah behind that? You have a whole immigrations platform of API CONNECTIONS TO? Infant services, right. That's like Zippier. It's all custom right now, how do you do this? That's another part of the stack right under that you have all the connections to live chat software. How do I talk to live person and chorus and social care sprinkler all that integration facebook kind of built Hanover Protocol. But it doesn't work outside of facebook and like so there's all these pieces of the stack that all the people working in the space have a really hard time with. That, we would gladly love someone else to keep up with all that stuff. And so I look at it whenever there's big things emerging. The ability to think so specific in focused and tiny is the way that you actually breakthrough in startup startup land, and then over time you had to be strategic of like. Well, how do I keep the relationship with the customer? WHO's wherever touch with the customer wins? Then I'm GONNA move up the stack and this is my way in but it's always about wedges in that are solving some singular thing that everyone's paying a myspace has in I could shit if you WANNA get on A. Call it does Albie view the thirty things that we do custom because we're a full stack thing right we had to do that to go to the enterprise and that's why we actually brought our companies together. 'cause they were the live agents and we were the bots and we're already working together on tons of customers and I'm like this makes no sense because we're not all line to like one business model, and so then we did that you know acquisition last eight March and it actually. Is the way to go to enterprise because you have to have an all in one solution but from a starter perspective, the break in I mean there's so many ideas I think and then I think think about bots that no one's thought of you know about that allows you to text it and it mails letters for you. We actually built the spot and this is where Robert Stevens, my my original co-founder. He's a genius at this kind of stuff and he's the one that all who's thinking about bots and every time you use a by is, why does it my dishwasher have a bop? It should always tell me when I need. More dish pause if I need to get service if I need to get a warranty and he sees this world where like all of those, the plant, the appliances Bob, it has all the right connections in the partnership ecosystem etc. that bought probably plugs into Google assistant with bots. Now, a big business just like Google's shorting traffic other things that by is now the bothered everyone loves say, Hey, grew will take care of my appliances boom hands off the appliance bought five that was built somewhere in every appliance in the world is already mapped which appliance do you have? Oh, cool. That actually needs it every three months every three months we're. Also going to follow up with automatically ordering you pods make sure that you always have dishwasher pods by the way. Do you have any allergies or do you like organic kind of pods? Here's the three we recommend all the sudden in that use case there's so much complexity right but it's like it sounded so small and I think that that's always the thing is. Everything that sounds tiny never ends up being, but you need to start tiny and that's how we started the company to be honest. We were sitting there and Robert. Stevens. Goes in he taught me this and I think it was it was the biggest lesson to I learned the hard way in tech of being a guy who's like message as a future of search and. I would always say big delusional ship and you'd be like listen. Build me about to give me a haircut great clips and so I bought funny enough that Google launched three years later our first we ever bill was a text message Channel Two, three, two, three, two, and we integrated all the great clips. API's was like four, hundred, thousand, the US. And we're scraping their websites who had no integration and we were doing a web form filler and then all I, would say is cut. And I would text cut and respond back and say three greatclips nearby twelve minutes fifteen minutes eighteen minutes waiting. Either text number two and it was a good here's a link to the Google maps he go and his name was on the screen at greatclips. Now as the first thing, we ever bill and him forcing us to be that constrained. Sudden as like shit and I still think there's going to be a great like a haircut. Google Mike Compete with you for sure but they're not going to end up being able to do I don't think everything yet. You know when they can do the phone calls of for sure. But the appliance, when's a good example of like no human needed tons of things to map of complexities and the maintance and unique things that are specific to that use case and I don't know that's how I think about it is thinking smaller to think. Let me ask you a bit back to something. You've mentioned alluded a bit and unlikely to liberate more the end of the APPS era or kind of Why why won't we have APPS in the future? They'll be very few APPS US all the time they'll be almost no other APPS and I think it's because it's already happened. Okay. I ask people every day do you like downloading apps and everyone says now then I look at the stats in the last that I saw was. Nine fifty percent of people download zero. APPs a month. So? The APP game is already done and it's the friction in the clunky to every time you install at at the make an account at do eleven steps in the APP store half the people in the world don't even have space on their phones. You know I'm lucky I'm Mike loved the cloud and everything's I cloud and I mean people here I'm actually in Nashville enough To Tie the whole story back together. But I mean people here all the time they're like man I. Just don't do that cloud thing because I need my photos, my phone's full. So I don't do new APPS. So I'm like what's going to change that's going to be solved by they're going to finally adopt but I think that is the friction to install apps just high and when. The reality is for most APPs. It's a single use case that I WANNA do. Not like the social APPs which I think you'll always have because you're there for the whole experience instagram's the twitter's the facebooks, the entertainment like. There's something else behind it whether it's people are content but the APPS that enabled me to go talk to a system like Boga Haircut. Are. The ones I like this there's no way you're downloading this in the future. It's an intent game. You're like whatever my intent is it can happen. Why would I ever download an APP is crazy. So you believe that the experience would be the interface and throw it. You will consume what previously was an APP, language Ob, the interface language. Okay. And language will allow you to. Take an example that we built. We did this thing with Aramark at the phillies stadium. And, it was the first ever thing with Apple Business Chat. Mark Ourselves of this type of experience, which was the ability to order beer in the stadium at your seat. Okay. There's a Qr Code on the seat. And you scan the Qr Code, it goes to agribusiness chat. There's no password there's no log in. There's no install. There's no data needed because in the stadium there's never any data anyways, and it says, what do you want? You say to Bud Lights in the ailing. And it says, cool apple pay shows up in two steps boom orders in delivery persons coming down. On the delivery side we built actually a on an Apple Watch. Shane. Mack seat one, forty, one section three to bud lights in England. Carrying the stuff around now doesn't have to collect payment no APP to install people using language and messaging, and the removed all the technology from the middle and what happened was everyone used it and everyone loved it. You know how many people downloaded the APP to buy stuff in the stadium before that move? Like one night. Because the friction to download this APP and also the APP had so much other. It wasn't built for my intent I'd open it up and it'd be like the Phillies Selimiye subscription to the team, and it'd be like all those other thing here. I WanNa tell you well announced when we have next week whatever in the difference in the space is fundamentally that it starts with intent of the consumer in it's built one to one not one too many websites and apps were built for everyone to be able to use therefore you make sure it did everything Now you have a website that has so much shit on it that you spent the last twenty years working on personalization technology to try to remove all the things to give the person that's on the site with the right cookies what they want this changes everything. That's why it's fundamentally hard. It starts with what do I want? And then you have to bring the company to me. That's a re engineering of the entire way to think about the systems that brands are just starting to grasp. Oh, this is why it's different. That I think is what's happened is brands or people you know it's just what we've learned for twenty years. We've learned to build something make sure everyone can use it, and then we'll personalize it backwards but you're never going to get to one to one personalization because you're not starting that way. In this space, it starts there and then when it works, you never want an APP ever like it's so much fiction in you should have seen the stats on this thing and the amount of people that used it. It's the future because there's even the simple shit loggins you only people just hate passwords another password on another APP like F. my life you know my mother has like a seven page word doc she'd. On her desktop to remember passwords on day one password tried out but it was thought he I don't I don't see the future being absent all I think all the API's in the world were exposed to power the APPS, and now we're sitting here with language sitting layer above the APPS and this is how we do it. So when I talk to CMO's or the PP's we work with or the directors. I say whatever API's power your mobile APP? We're GONNA, train language to use as API's. So there's no work to be done on your side were not gonna ask you to rebuild. API's and that integration layer is what we've spent. The last five years building on our platform is specifically built to use API the power, the mobile APP World Tanabe able to do these use cases in a conversational world so I try to. Piggyback on on this vision and ask you so for the telcos of the world, the companies that you've mentioned some by name in the Telco and media ecosystem what are the must do's that they need to transform themselves in order to serve cater the new emerging world is you just described the first thing I think about is, how do you redesign your organization and your business units to be aligned to a singular goal? And that's the hardest one because that takes a lot of organizational effort and yet to think about what you want, and this is why lining care sales and marketing all to one leader. Their job is customer experience and all I think constraint is super important. You can't think of this as another channel. You have to think of this as the only channel. The innovation comes when you say what if our business just ran through messaging? Robert used to say this to me all the time. He was the CTO best buy for ten years and he struggled with this is so hard to like bring all these together but he saw the vision. But. It was an organization designed problem not it's acknowledged problem and he always said to me. The company that I think's GONNA breakthrough here. Is The new Telco Company that says, you know what we're about only company or a messaging only company. There's no other way to communicate with us, which is what you're starting to see ever heard lemonade. Like messaging bod only insurance and then state farm looks at it and goes on that's cue. We don't want to do by three like humans and actually the secret is people don't like human interaction in business format that's transactional forever there's so many studies on this. It's friction human reaction action is actually friction, but the botts weren't good enough yet but now it's changing and so when you have that constraint of just to in this channel with these technologies, you rethink how you do everything. So if I were a CEO of t mobile would be thinking how do i? Design my team to be aligned to a singular goal and how do I give them the constraint of for this Channel Act like it's our only channel design it from scratch as if this was the way we did business not this is we're going to try here with one q use case because we still like email for that or they wanNA call for that like people here's argument you don't time people still want to call us and I'm like that's a lie people wanNA call you because you're not serving in the right way. No one even calls their mother. Like no one calls anybody anymore they all text their friends and you WanNa Call Your Business and they don't text their friend John. Like come on, that's just bullshit. It's because they're not providing in focusing on it as the best experience they're thinking of it as. I wonder if I just throughout this new messaging channel, it's cute and they're not thinking about it as a relationship was forever out of improve it forever how do I have the technology to have my infant feedback labs to do training, and so I think there's just two things you have to align everyone under usually as customer experience mission CMO driven is that's where the budgets are at and then care turns into retention, but they actually report to the CMO and everyone's aligned to make this senior experience better not cut cost. Because it's about retention as a marketing metric not about costs because I don't want another session and then you take that and you say what? If our business only use this channel and we're GONNA test ten percent of our customers and just try to serve them here. And that's where I think you'll have the innovation that is the only way that I've found and seen some coaches. Some of our brands do it, and then I listened to Robert Talk about his pain, the CTO at best buy was exactly this. You had to do not reply team and the support team that don't talk. They have different goals they have different career opportunities. They're just trying to do their best job and get to the next level in their career, and if you don't align the goal at a bigger vision, nothing works clear. This is very interesting and I would say mind opening I. I have a kind a personal question to you may be as. My last question unless will find another one while you were addressing it. You mentioned several times that you believe that side projects are worthy et magic happens. And I was wondering how do you define the side project and what are the ones that you are currently engaged with or igniting the magic president? I do believe that I think side projects or where you learn everything. In the world we live in now where like work in life or kind of fluid kind of like what is work? What is life? It's kind of just think it's life. Trying to figure out how to balance at all. But everything other learned is from doing a side project and every relationship that I've built that became my co-founder someone I recruited some of the recruited me came from the side projects and so site practice, Amis anything that Fiji curiosity and your creativity, and that could be doing knitting cool teaching classes at a university that can be building an APP that could be designing a little BOT- with this software on voice flow to build a little Alexa that. Connects to a system and can be a love like systems of Xabier. Type World. When I like Mike when you make your lights, go off because you just say good night and then it also can turn on your toaster and then your coffee thing and all that stuff is cool side projects to and I think that's where you learn and then you share them online and this is the most underutilized thing in the world is when you share side projects you. Attract people that are also working on similar things and that's the goal of the Internet and so all of the ability to just put yourself out there and not be insecure and share things for their done. Etc. is things that I've just become. You know very, very passionate about for me I've been doing a side project for twelve years called ask and it's a podcast and dinner series and kind of there's a notebook and our mission is if the. World's more curious than everything will be better and I just interview people just like we're doing right now I mean we try to produce interviews on the personal side of the leaders you know. So you know I just interviewed David Kay who wrote this book? It just became a number to Wall Street Journal Bestseller and I talked to him about therapy in the military and actually if you talk about therapy in the military, they think you have a mental health disorder. So people don't disclose that they've ever been to therapy or they don't go to therapy because they're stigmas and now you basically you have a military of people that aren't taking care of their minds or when they have problems not getting help because it stigmatized and judged upon in the military that you have an issue if you do this. How crazy is that? I say, Yep, crazy and so this conversation was mind blowing. These are the conversations that I'm trying to have because I think vulnerability and curiosity is the secret to the world the more we put ourselves out there the more we over insecure about the more we say we don't know the more people want to help in the more people start sharing what they don't know, and that's a side project for me that I I just love the relationships I built for it. It's how I met my co founder Robert Really. How'd you? How'd you working with founder of Eke Swansea to best by Ads. Dinners. And like those things I, think when you have intention behind your gatherings and your side projects, you end up doing some magical. An external question from the audience do you believe that in today's world tech leader needs to teach train? Is Employees to become into preneurs and to train them into a mindset of enterpreneur. So I don't think that I don't think everyone in the world wants to be an entrepreneur. But everyone the world wants to be in control of their decisions. and. So I think more about ownership agency. How do you give people a safe place that they can decide and they can feel confident to make decisions not be micromanaged and really have control of their work. If they wanted to be an entrepreneur I would love and I spend all my time helping people to think entrepreneurially, and then they realize if they think they want to be entrepreneurs because here's the secret. I do this thing at Georgetown with a friend of Mine Eric Coaster and we started this course about four years ago. and. The course is actually used to be an entrepreneurship course. You know what happened in entrepreneurship course no-one finished it became an entrepreneur. Why because entrepreneurship courses are kind of bullshit they don't actually teach you entrepreneurship they teach business plans, and all these things don't really matter and these ideas, etc. The secrets entrepreneurship is actually the moment when you put the book live. So what we did is we turn the course into we now publish all the students in the course and they all right a book about something they're passionate about and they distribute it goes on Amazon he gets edited we have. Public Publishing House. It's called new degree press. Now, we do about four, hundred, fifty bucks a year published and it's turned into this business. The point is what we realized is the moment you go to launch that book and everything you've this worked on passionately is about to be judged by the world you're super insecure your parents are going to read this. You don't want anyone to know you did this you're very vulnerable. It's this moment of that. That is entrepreneurial. That is what people don't talk about entrepreneurship is built the three years before anyone heard about your product when everyone makes fun you and thinks it's stupid and you're in your parents basement and no one knows what you're doing and like I don't know he doesn't really have a job like he's kind of he's over there just messing around and then all of sudden raise ten million dollars in a goes or have a profitable business or you just have a thing that you really love the met people through it doesn't matter and judgment is the poison, the data's what you learn and so what I. Try to focus on his how do you create environments and experiences so people can feel what it's like to be entrepreneurial in that moment, and then they can decide do I have the stomach the really all day try to defend my school and I really believe in and I'm going to attract all the people on recruit people to join me and go after this and I think that's more of what I'm excited about how do you get people to feel that emotion that I think is what makes entrepreneurship and it's that piece of it that no one talks about which is the most important right Well it was an amazing talk I. Think your dog just left. The S-O-F-I was looking at me for the last five minutes in A. In a said look. So I was feeling time stealing. Your attention from him? No no, that's great. He went out right before this. Thank you very much for your time share. No. Thank you very much. I talked to you much might as well recorded. 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Even More Halo Infinite Gossip - Kinda Funny Games Daily 07.31.20

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Even More Halo Infinite Gossip - Kinda Funny Games Daily 07.31.20

"What's up? Everybody walk into kind of Funny Games. Daily Four. July thirty, first twenty, twenty. You've made it to the end of another month. I'm Greg Miller in. This is my co host, the main major. Nelson. Is, it could thank you could could twenty, twenty twenty? Could you be over already? Please, we're, I, mean, we I agree twenty twenty needs to end as fast as possible. But it also can you believe it's going to be August tomorrow where this month was gone this this month flew by so fast. I think August tends to do usually in August I'm going to games calm and I'm just coming out of COMECON. So crazy, but it's going to be a long month because I'll be sitting at home like the rest of the world. Say. Luckily there's a lot of games to play. That's yeah. There is a lot of games to play some of them are up there on my console right there and you're, GonNa talk about stuff today. Right. You know that they were gonNA be talking about three or four three talking about Halo Graphics, Star Wars. Squadrons Price. Tag. Explain and battle toads finally has a release date because this is kind of funny games daily each and every weekday and a variety of platforms. Platforms, we run you through the night video game news. Need know about if you like that part of the show Patriot, dot com slash kind of funny games. You can ask us questions comment on the news, give us your squad up requests and oh so much more. Of course, you can get the show at. You can get it with the post show, we do each and every weekday, and there's a bevy of other benefits including Greg Way was just enough. Enough today and bless way, which is also up as well. All that Patriot, dot com slash kind of funny games. But if you have no bucks, toss our way, it's no big deal. You can watch US record the show live on twitch, dot TV, slash, kind of funny games. Sometimes, it will start like the first start today where I was like screaming no Kevin. No, I wasn't paying attention. I, didn't have the right window open and then Larry's Mike broke immediately. Immediately so you can see all sorts of crazy stuff. You WanNa Watch live on twitch. If you're watching live on twitter, dot, TV, slash kind of funny games. You have a special job, go to Kinda, funny dot com, slash your wrong and tell us what we screw up as we screw it up. So we can set the record straight for everybody watching later on Youtube, dot slash kind of funny Games Rooster Teeth Dot Com, and listening on podcast services around. The Globe. I used to pound on the desk, Gary switched desks in the home setup, and when I do, it reverberates indigenes office and she wouldn't do a lot of that in my early days of radio and it was a bad thing. I mean, I got a lot of trouble for that. Now. Go I'm so sensitive to anything on my desk that I don't even touch it so smart. I tried to communicate that to Kevin, but he likes to eat ice. Bang, your desk. Bang. has his own version of what the show I'm. Sorry. What's wrong with eating ice cream? No, not ice cream ice. Remember how he's talking about with your Mason Jars and you're. Drinking Water, there's nothing wrong. Do you eat iced? Are you? Are you an ice? You're? If it's shavings. Yes. or The little pellet kind I'm very picky. I don't want to get the big like you know rectangular pieces nothing you know. You. Know Greg. We talked about yesterday in the other show where you were talking about my personal stuff I'm actually a huge ice aficionado didn't notice. Yeah. I I. Love a good clear ice. A big fan of coal draft ice, which is an ice machine that makes perfectly square clear cube. So. Sorry you. No? No. This is you just. Nice machine and. Like, for instance, at the office, people go in there and take that stuff out of the refrigerator ice ice machine and I'm just like, oh. No. No. No Kevin is obsessed with ice to the point that, yeah, he's still doesn't forgive me for this one time I went to restaurants. You're gonNA, wanted me to try this. Tell he wanted to try this paradise and I didn't do it and he still he's still rubbed my face in it to the here's the thing Larry. We went to this place. Now, they have great. Great. Indian. Style Burritos, okay. Fantastic? Great wouldn't try one. That's fun. I said Greg at the very least. Rio He's he. He's got pros nothing I want to try. I wasn't hungry. Late Larry, we went there with the purpose to eat like he was did I did? Water. Water. A box of water instead of using this amazing machine that we were talking about for almost the whole. It's a three thousand dollar ice and water machine that like I think that we should by the company. Because it, just it makes it perfectly the small pellets which they melt quicker and our strikes. Sonic but will the? Yes know. Stumbling upon this obsession view. Major Nelson. Aka Larry from xbox I'd say that topic I. Assume everybody knows who you are. But I remember you friends like sorry. But we did it. So housekeeping everybody don't forget. You can go right now to YouTube dot com slash kinda funny, and of course, the podcast fee for we have. Cool friends Larry, and I have a great conversation that we both thank you for that. Thank you for everybody that joined us. Thank you watched now. Thank you so much. Thank you for retweeting it a wait. You didn't. Wait did I. got. To you and I was thinking about this, I hate re tweeting stuff about me. But your audience wants to learn more about you. They want to hear your stories you know now. Kevin, we guilted and we. Tell you about the rest of housekeeping. Today at one PM. Guess what? For some reason I'm revealing a new bug snacks character. You can find it. Kevin showing you what that bad bug snack there won't be revealing on twitter dot com slash game over groggy. One PM Pacific Time. What kind of bugs neck, with Greg. Miller reveal. also for you, I g DA play it forward is today. It's a livestream raising money, of course for. A great organization that's helping all sorts of developers and minority developers I'm posting an ally ship panel at four PM Pacific with Khalif Stephen. Spa, and of course, from able gamers Khalif, obviously from splendid me. In, many more of your friends in favorites you've seen on kind of funny before you can wash that at four. PM. Twitch dot TV slash check news. If you missed it live, we are putting it up as a we have cool friends, not this Monday but the Monday after that. Yes what? Yes. This you just focus on the re tweets here. This is for you. This is for you episode, three of the kind of funny cast, our brand new six week pilot program Xbox podcast post tomorrow at six. Am Your host snow bike Michael on a pierce and Major. Nelson. We are putting you through the ringer. This is, of course, Major Nelson's Kinda funny weekend. This is my third. That'll be my third appearance with you guys this week. I don't even know what to say to it. I'm glad it's finally happened I. think that's the thing is we've always wanted to do stuff, but when travel it made it so tough and now we're it's easier to set everything up. We're getting bang for your buck. You don't I mean. We're I'm in. I'm right in I'm all in on what you're doing I. appreciate that every I've had conversations with snow bike Mike, Obviously. I had conversations with myself to that every shows different like we're not like you know doubling up, you know having you say the same stories over and over again. Only have cool friends has that Mr Rogers story which was. By that was an exclusive. Thank you appreciate that. Call that story and she's like she's A. She's like. I'm like, yeah, it was a great story. So how did a video game podcast gets to that and you're like? Guy, is not talk about games half the time. You'RE GONNA come out today that we talked about the ice machine. Exactly. Thank you to our Patriots Producers Mohamed Mohamed Aka Momo blackjack. Aka Batman today were brought to you by Brooklyn, but I'll tell you about that later for now, let's begin the show with what is an forever will be the roper report. Did that that that that? On the reports. Those. First and foremost over on the. UK. there. You want to keep going. Along, beakers. Wherever that, when, I, I appreciate it over on. Halo waypoint, DOT COM, they put up an Faq answering a whole bunch of different questions. It is a fantastic FAQ. If you have questions outside Halo Demo, of course, they talk about what we're talking about which multiplayer Beta and the graphics Brouhaha. But on top of that, they talk about characters split-screen pronunciations in more. So you should go to Halo waypoint dot com to read the entire thing. But here's what I pulled out that I thought was interesting for us to discuss Larry. I want to acknowledge that. Yes. We've heard the feedback coming from parts of the community regarding the visuals in the halo. Infinite Campaign Demo. While, we see and hear far more positive than negative. We do want to share a bit of context from our perspective. There are two key areas being debated around the community overall style in visual fidelity. Based on our learnings from Halo, four, Halo five and Halo wars to along strong communities. Feedback, we decided to shift back towards the legacy aesthetics that define the original trilogy. With Halo Infinite, we're returning to a more classic art style, which was a key messaging. I'm sorry. Key message going back to the very first reveal that garnered, enthusiastic and positive responses. This translate to translate to a more vibrant palette cleaner model and objects with less noise though it doesn't mean less detail while we appreciate, this may not be everyone's personal preference. We stand by this decision and are happy to see at resume news. So many fans around the world. The second theme being discussed involves visual fidelity negative feedback in this area, include comments about characters and objects appearing flat, simplistic, classic lighting, feeling dull, and flat and object popping. We've read your comments. We've seen the homemade. Homemade. Examples of retouched content, and yes, we've heard the digital foundry assessments. In many ways we are in agreement here, we do have work to do to address some of those areas, these areas, and raise the level of fidelity of the overall presentation of the game. The build us a run. The campaign demo is a work in progress from several weeks ago with a variety of graphical elements and game system still being finished in polished while some of the feedback was expected speaks to areas already in progress. Other aspects of the feedback have brought new opportunities and considerations. Delight that the teams taking very seriously and working to assess. We don't have firm answers or outcomes share yet, but the team is working as quickly as possible on plans to address some of the feedback around detail clarity in. Overall Fidelity. The team is committed in focused to making sure we have a beautiful world for players to explore when we launch. Let's tackle that first layer. When you saw your 'cause, you're obviously we've talked about and we have cool friends. You've been there for every xbox. So you've been there for every halo this all hand in hand for you. When you first saw this aesthetic choice, then visual fidelity of it. What did you think? Well. So let me be clear. The funny thing was that was the first time. I. I'm a Halo Fan boy sure I grew up with it. You know loved it worked on it, and I've tell stories all the time of during the development of Halo two and Halo three when Bungee, which was at that point owned by Microsoft was just a building over, I'd go over there for meetings and I would famously walk in like this because I didn't WanNa. Say Anything on anybody screen. So, that the I, what I'm getting at is when it was shown on the show that was the first time I've seen it. So I was I was like Oh. This looks great. I instantly understood what they were doing. You know in terms of what they wanted and I know Christly I know the I know the EP very well, I worked for many years. So I was like, okay, this this is great. I. Love to see what to do I. Just WanNa. Make sure it plays like halo and that's what I wanted to. That's what? I. That's what I saw. I saw that it was playing like Halo Yeah. Yeah I. Think I'm not a halo, Fan boy in. On the Internet would be a playstation fan boy. Oh they. Do they. Heard that. When I saw it, I, thought it looked great and I gr- granted. You know I'm not a hardcore fan base I. Didn't have expectations coming into that realm of what it was to look like what it should look like. But for me s somebody even with a passing knowledge of Halo, right? Like right now, I'm doing what we did the second section of episodes for my first, ever full place of combat evolved yesterday a question. Are you playing with green thumb. With that. I don't know what I don't. I'm new Larry Larry Bean. It'd be nice. I'm trying. It's it's the. It's a stick configuration where all you push in on the right stick and it may lays versus hitting be yeah, I'm doing that I I. I was doing the we set that up right away where we made it as back realist. No. No. I. Just don't know the name of what I know is expected. Be Know Anything about classic controls. No. Yeah, I'm doing that where it all feels normal and like when I can't aim downsides I'm using left trigger we moved. Okay. So, Tim Tim is my Sherp in this time, of course, I played every halo dozens of time. So he's the one that we started. He's like let's get you into something and I was GonNa do bumper jumper because back when Alfredo di was trying to teach me a titanfall. So I could be good at titanfall. What he's such me over to, of course, because that had been his defaulting off halo as well. Charlotte Tim put into that whatever. So I'm playing through over there. However, I digressed as somebody who had did that and then played halo three or four and five in odiously somewhere in there like. I thought it looked I thought looked interesting. I thought it looked pretty in the same way. I know what Tim talked about in the polls show. Of when the started up of like an wasn't that detail, it isn't the thing and he was like we'll sure, but it's making a choice like this isn't this doesn't look like this because our shucks we can't get anymore. The xbox looks at this because we're making a stylus choice in same vein as breath of the wild or something. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. That's as I was excited when I saw because I was like this feels like classic Halo we all remember in Halo combat evolve landing on the ring and looking up and having those. Moments and having the phantom come in and drop the covenant. So I was like this is granted. Of course, the grappling Hook we saw grabbed stop right now. I want to bring a nano-biological wrote into Patriot dot com slash kinda games just like you can't and says Hi Greg and Mr. Herb Herb. Very, polite there you know what I mean. That's fine. We can start calling you. Larry. We can start. We. We got some interesting interesting tidbits about halo infinite after they responded to the major announcements of criticism. They received Larry I assume you can't comment too much on this matter. But what are your thoughts on the debate slash common critique of quote? It doesn't look next Gen that we've heard time and time again from go SOO Shema to every other major tentpole title. Do. You think that next won't be graphical. Upgrades. RATHER RENDERING SPEEDS We've seen so far with the medium rash and clank and Microsoft flight simulator. Are there other ways that we should judge what is next? Gen. and what it will mean as we enter August and the next wave of presentations. An. The holiday season in the launch of both consuls. Well, the Nano Biologists. That is a well-formulated question. Does your day in day out. I, I. Think the answer is you know we saw and I go back to you. Know you heard yesterday talking about xbox three sixty in that launch because that was a couple of things going on. That was the beginning of the HD era here. Most people had four buy three tubes in their houses. All of a sudden. We were now getting seven twenty televisions and some ten eighty PS. So that was the moment in two, thousand, five, ish, two, thousand, and four, or five, and six, where the where the display technology was making that Trans Trans transfer over to to high DEF. So, that's what we saw. So now we've got high DEF, and of course, we went to four K. over the past few years. I think we've kind of settled in on graph fidelity and what people want. You know what they're willing willing to pay for because you can always get the most expensive AK screen and be awkward. You know kind of what's mainstream? And I think that this generation, we're going to see you know you kind of articulated, which is we're going to see speeds the speeds of of the console, the speeds of loading time. The speeds are just we're GONNA, see that type of resolution. The quickness that that doesn't feel feel lewd screens are just kind of kind of fade away. So I think you're right, it's not. It's not as yet. Hopefully, it's not as easy as Oh, this thing has the shiniest graphics. Therefore, it is the best. Therefore, it is Nexgen because we've all played Greg I. Know You have I played the Games that we've played games that are some of the most incredible games in the world that maybe aren't. maxing out a piece of hardware chip makers. The end of the day, it's about having fun and hang those replay moments. I'm not GonNa say the word that the xbox series x, it can do amazing graphical things. You're going to see some of the things we saw some of those things are show last week. But there's so many other facets of this generation. Now, we talked about the console, that's certainly one facet, but the next facet is. Things like game pass things like X. Cloud, which are kind of this beautiful Halo, and I'm not to I don't Wanna use that term incorrectly because we're talking about Halo, but there's This this constellation of things you can do with your games. We're putting Gamers at this at Microsoft and xbox were putting games at the center. You WanNa Council got the world's most powerful console. We got you covered. There you. WanNa, play your device. We've got you covered there. You WanNa. Play all the Games of the subscription we've got. You covered there. So it's the next. Gen is about a whole series of things in broadening the beachhead? It's not just about graphics. And I think that's what's so hard to wrap your head around because I, think even because I, know we talk about you know xbox three, sixty, right playstation playstation two, a super on ESPN sixty four like these strides that I remember seeing these things I'm like this is so real. Excel. Or Pixar movie quality, right? Exactly. Right. Right. Right. So as we've continued on this track of I, don't think by any stretch of the imagination tapping outward video game graphics can be, but those gigantic strides are harder to make when everybody's working off of similar architecture in the REX caught up to a point, right where it is accelerating. So quickly that the we're talking about. About incremental upgrades, we're talking about the XBOX, one of the xbox one x, right like where it was. Hey, this is a little bit better better, but it's you know you're getting more juice out of the apple kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, and you're you're able to see these graphics, but these graphics now are better. They're not like tennis better there quite a bit better. Things are loading faster. So it's this whole elements, these all these experience, and that's kind of one of the struggling are having because. You know it xbox. Without a gaming event like e. three or games calm. You know people having hands on and seeing that game load quickly, you don't you people. Oh my God. This is amazing. You know it's difficult to explain it over the Internet. You know when everybody in their houses do this is this is the other thing I came out and again I'm Greg Miller. Boy Number One when all this morning. Thank you. Thank you for doing a lot to stop. This is charged. But last week when it was me blessing on this show and we were talking about this and he was like, what do you think about the people who are upset about this? Because we're doing another news story about Haley Graphics. I was like for me man, this is much ado about nothing i. think if this had happened at a normal e three of either you would have gone off without a hitch in everybody would have gone into either the behind closed doors. Let's see another mission. Let's see. Something different. Different or we all would have played that demo. You would have people coming out and being like Oh man, well, when I was playing it, it totally looks the way show and this is how it feels and it feels like halo and it looks like the grappling Hook so much while Blah Blah. But when everybody because of the World Rin gets the same eight eight-minute thing, all there is, is that this insatiable hunger for more that people go into apart and get into? Then have these feelings in you know. Even, the three four, three blog post. Mentioning digital foundry yesterday while we're doing combat evolved Tim was talking about that in how they're and I haven't seen it. But what they were saying of like what the real time lighting is something they're using here. That is actually making it look different as you go around. So like when you're in the sun, it looks like this when you're like this by. By talking about your trae Newark, it's the nuances of of how your harnessing the technology in this generation that that aren't readily apparent until you. Until sometimes some, it's just one of those things, and again, we're getting to the point where things feel so natural in the world that that. Of course, the lighting consider. But when it's missing, it feels weird. Yeah. So. Yeah. I think it's When people get their hands on it, it'll be a completely different story. I. Kept comparing it to Spiderman in the puddles were the biggest thing for a long time. like I said this. Halo WAYPOINT DOT COM. Slash. FAQ has a bunch of other stuff, but the one thing I wanted to put here. What about the multi-player Beta. The XBOX game showcase was only meant to focus on halo infant campaign. However, I can't blame you all for being curious about the player experience as Christly mentioned in his blog, which accompanied the demo last week our original plans for large-scale fighting of fighting I'm sorry. Aren't where we originally intended in large part due to the challenges of working from home during the covid nineteen pandemic. At. This time we're certainly, I'm sorry. We're honestly not sure which is going to be possible in terms of flooding, but we still hope to have an opportunity for broader public hands on before release, and as we've previously stated, we'll be relying on fight fighting. Sliding and continued feedback and community partnership Well, beyond launch as we grow involve the game together. Like I said, great post up there. Go read it. Also I think you know especially with people being. Either upset liking it fighting with each other Yada Yada Yada, I think is good on three or four three for coming out and talking talking to everybody. I think that's you know, Larry we were talking yesterday about you in the face of Xbox live in how we seen the industry change and the fact that I think developers know when they can. They will come out and talk to you like, Hey, we hear. Hear you. But I I love the the choice of, Hey, we hear you. But we made a choice and we're standing by choice, and this is what we yeah I. Mean. That's that's something that Bungee is done very well, and when bungee moved on and the Halo and three or four three took the halo The torch forward. That's always been a hallmark of the halo community is is this open conversation community? Elements, so I'm I'm unit check those guys over there. Great doing I will not speak on their behalf. I, can't. I. Don't high read the I read the blog post this the blog post just like you guys did not. Okay. Got It. Cool. You guys the experts. Let me know when you're ready. We'll Larry Yeah number two on the Roper report speaking of Halo multi-player. Is it free to play? We go to I Jan where Joe scrambles files this report. Also, if he didn't know Larry Joe, scrambles is a made up name and not a real person at I and it's just a name that they all use student got halo infinite will feature a free to play multiplayer mode and run at up. Up. To One hundred, twenty frames per second on xbox series x according to a retailer listening in other sources. Smith's toys includes halo infant in its listing xbox series saying quote the legendary Halo Series Returns with the most expansive master chief campaign. Yet groundbreaking free to play multiplayer experience enjoy up to one hundred twenty frames per second in greatly reduced load times creating seamless gameplay with xbox series x end quote. Both sources for window central and and noted xbox insider. CLO- clobber he'll. Do. You know. Have since supported the claim that hey, listen it's multiplayer will be free to play. Club real adds that the one hundred twenty second is an aim for arena mode on xbox series x, and that multiplayer will include a battle pass system and feature types. Of course, customization new to the halo series. We've contacted xbox for comment. We've heard previously that Halo and finished campaign will run at I locked sixty frames per second, which This is Greg not. Joe was confirmed again in driven home in that Faq I. think that was published since this. And the idea that multi player would both run and be released in a different fashion to the single player. Portion fits with three or four threes plan for Halo Infinite to become more of a platform than a standalone game series. Major Nelson Take it away? I don't have anything to say I have no idea. Of that. I would. I'm just as interested as everybody else. Yeah, and that's Interesting to me I again, this is an episode where I, you know I don't have a horse in the race or anything like that, and I'm not the halo dude or whatever. But I do find it. If it was free to play that's going to be. Fascinating because if the game it's already in game pass, which is such a motivating factor to go get it on game pass, but just having what the story being game pass interesting. But then it does fit into this thing of their giant plan of what it would be in terms of this, being more of a platform that a one time off one time game. It's fascinating and it would be interesting move and I WANNA know more Larry I know. I would, I would love to know more and like I. Say, I'm looking forward to hearing from what three or four three has to say in the future. As as as I said, earlier, my Halo Fan boy and I'm going to learn about it when everybody else does do you like that or hate that you're that you're like you are Xbox, but you still walk out your blinders on and then stuff like this happened. Well, it's funny I A. While it's allows me to come on shows like yours and just say. I don't know I don't know I'm not GONNA sit here. I'm not going to tell you that I could have easily said Brag. I saw this news this morning, I'm not coming on your show y'all come on the show, I, don't have any I, don't know. I work on the platform I, don't work on the Games. Those guys are the experts when it comes to the Games. Yeah. Yeah, and again, like this goes back to what we were talking about yesterday with we of cool friends again as I talk about it all the time where if somebody agrees to come on kind of funny period, you know that they're probably cool right like they understand what we do and who we are in the, we're going to have a bunch of jokes and cabinets up to this is. But I think that also cuts both ways that. You're a cool person. If you'RE GONNA come on right and I have cool friends when I asked, you, Mike. Do you get tired of people calling you just? Oh, he's just a mouthpiece for xbox and you know I give him the time. Of Day, right? Like I've touched so many lives and that's what's so great and I am who, I am if you don't like it too bad and this is a great example of, yeah. Like there are, and I'm not naming names that there are a lot of other people I think from company X. that they work on the. The inside and they were gonNA come on the show, and if something like this would have happened, we would have been like, Oh, double book different meeting happened and you're being honest. I. Don't know. Yeah, I. Mean it's. It's yeah. I I WANNA come on I. WanNa Talk to you about games and we'll see what you know i. have no idea what the what that studio is up to and I know that I is the halo franchises in great hands I'm looking forward to see what they plan. I know I know personally a lot of the people working on it. And I'm excited to see what they say. I WANNA pivot this question. That is something I. think that I want your opinion on because it talks to both things we're talking about of what will define next generation and then a little bit of this but not really about this news story. petroff rights into Patriot. Dot Com slash kind of funny games and says, happy Friday KF GD is being reported that Halo multiplayer mode will feature one hundred twenty frames per second. At, the May xbox showcase dirt five and grandeur is moving June. We're also featured as having one hundred, twenty frames per second modes. Do you see these high F-, ps? Being, more common this generation, do you think this will cause gamers to adopt high higher end televisions to take advantage of these modes? As we will only have just started? Seeing TV's in two thousand, nineteen LG lead models, unlimited Samsung, models, etc. However, in two thousand twenty, we're seeing more televisions starting to support this standard. Larry. I Love Video Games. Yup and I love video games that look good. I have ever. I. I've never had a taste for the tech part of it like you said where it's just I? Don't I feel like tech move so fast and I'm just excited us back. I think honestly a little bit what we're talking about Halo, right, is the game fun to play. Yes, and I'm in. Let's go and it's also that thing for me, you know where I wanNA spend. Spend my money, I want to spend money on the boxes and the services and the Games, and then when we get to, well, you get this crazy TV. That's four thousand dollars like no way. Right? Like for me, there's always tipping points where four you know I remember when I got my three sixty, which was my first HD console right and I was just playing. Playing on this CRTV, right, and it was smashed and bad, and it wasn't until GTA four like I was already working at I g n when I brought that home and I was like, all right, it's time and like I had to have Chris. Roper and Craig Harris take me to a Costco and walk me through the different. How should be if even this guy? Right? Like I didn't get. I had I had the series ex and I had. One X and I had my playstation four pro. But I was still running on a normal TV not a four k. not nothing, and then one day team walked any like, Hey, I g and has a deal the day this dirt cheap and you need to get it I was like, all right. Whatever it now I look at it and I'm like what? What a beautiful picture, but I wasn't before looking at. So anyway, long story short is I. Don't have a taste for this stuff. Where do you come down on this one? Hundred, twenty frames per seventy? You know that's W- you know who your your your listeners slash viewer slash, who wrote that in I think the right I mean one, hundred, twenty hurts. That I frame rate is going to be absolutely part of this. The fast low times. One hundred, I, know people that WANNA play would rather play one hundred and Twenty Hertz game at ten eighty p than have a four K. game running at sixty. Feels smoother, and it's again. It's all up to tastes and it's about a choice. But this funny, this TV I have behind me is not a is not a one twenty. So I need to get that replaced. Thank you for reminding broke away? I'll smash it for you. Next time I'm up there. But Yeah I think I think one hundred, twenty years it's going to be part of the I. Don't know what studios had planned. I don't share. He talked about dirt five. Of course they confirmed some of that but. I think that absolutely is going to be part of this because that's kind of what people want. They want to have that that buttery smooth. Experience. In his back to the conversation, right that I think in the old days, it was so easy to point to graphics. That's that. That's that's better whereas. Here's this has more polygons. This doesn't. Now, we keep moving the needle on these smaller things. But yeah, I. It's Parker's question. I do see more people adopting a in terms of this. We're GONNA set ourselves apart. This is how we're going to stress that we're the best looking Gamer. There's also a lot of technology ray tracing like we've got a lot of ray tracing action going on with xbox series actually talked about that extensively on our velocity architecture. So there's a lot of those elements to that again. He has made people come through in a screen shot, but when you stand in a environment that uses ray tracing and you move your character around getting that real time reflection and whatnot, and the and this, and the dust in the sunlight. Then it's pretty pretty pretty amazing. We'll share it was the the Ninja theory screen shots and they put up that one time. And I would really on the shows like they're just showing. Their office. It'd be like, no, you more up. That's in the game my God. Like. That's proof in the pudding kind of thing of playing these games and feeling and proven the putting that you really don't know the tech I'm a moron. I. Don't know how I feel upwards this far, but keeps happening and I don't pointed out that often. Number three on the Roper report. Wise Star Wars, squadrons, forty dollars. This Jeremy, winslow over at Gamespot. EA is explained why Star Wars squadrons which launched on October second, for PC, playstation four, xbox one will cost only forty dollars at launch much lower than most big budget games currently releasing on consoles and pc according to CEO and CFO Blake. Jorgensen. The game doesn't have the same breath of content as other more expensive games as it is much more focused on a specific experience quote. We always look at the Games and we WANNA make sure that we are providing the greatest value for our player says. And you know games have a different scale and most of our games right now have a huge scale. We designed squadrons to really focus on what we heard from consumers, which is one of their greatest fantasies in that's to be able to fly in x wing fighter a Thai fighter. Ambien. A dogfight, and so it doesn't have the breadth of some of our games, but it's still an incredible game and. I always hate when the quotes are literally somebody on the phone. Because, the person's just rambling, it's like if you try to podcast, it would just go and go and go, and so that's why we chose to price it slightly lower at us, slightly lower level to also allow access to as many people as possible who have who have that star wars fantasy. I think you've seen us over the years differentiate pricing on a lot of games. We've differentiated pricing on things like for zombies games because we knew that they were skewed for younger audiences, for example, or maybe didn't have enough depth of all the game modes that you might see in a fee or. Injured Wilson Chimes in and says similar things in that goes on that way. But. I like the story because I want to see this Larry I want to see more publishers and developers of their indies in publishing on their own embrace that sixty dollars doesn't mean that that's a real game in forty dollars. It's a budget experience and your derided I, love the idea that they went to build on that. The fact that that's you know the success we've had game pass just hose. It shows up in game bias doesn't mean it's it's not a great game. That's absolutely not true at all is not a that is not an indicator or measure of quality at all. All. Yeah. So I like to see people explore that scale and my question for you is somebody who has such a history and Sony inside. Do you think as we continue to march towards this digital era? That'll be come the case. Do you think that next generation is this time where it's GonNa, be alright. Cool. Like anything goes it because even now it's like. Is it a dollar? Ninety, nine cents? Is it four, ninety, nine to ninety? Nine? Is it fifteen? Is a twenty five? Is it forty? Look? Look I? Mean th, the Games are expensive to produce and you know we're. Is, such tremendous respect for those small indie developers or two or three people, and he's triple. A.'s that have hundreds of people working on it because they're they're managing this tremendous budget and experience timeline. So so I don't think for somebody WHO's working industry that we're going to do ourselves. Any favors with the race to zero. Ninety nine cent games and things like that. That's just not those the good. We've played those games you know largely on mobile. Some of them aren't really good. Yeah. The mobile market, right? It's a different scheme because of that in like why these games trying to put in there, how you back on the daily? How do we make you come back? How do we make? You spent sure sure but I think when we see new new programs like we talked about again, I, keep it. Going back to game. But that's a great example where games can get in there and of all different values and find that user base because the users are members, they can download a you and I are game pass members. I can text you and say, Hey, why don't we go download game XYZ and play that tonight near like, of course I'm a member I'll download it done. Right you've. Nothing to lose, you have nothing to lose So that's what it's all about. So I think this, we're GONNA see. Experimenting and things like that, and hopefully a lot more games coming onto programs like impasse. Sure. You talk about. When we're talking about pricing and all this stuff that you know it's expensive to make a game. How I. Know this is a little bit outside of Your Department of there but I know it's a conversation that goes on how do you at with game pass? Make sure you're paying. There's always these arguments right of like well as it is game going to end up because every loves it right now. I. Agree It's value and gaming is going to end up hurting the market or hurting developers. Right? Right now, I always talk about it and tell me if you've heard stories that are wrong that game passes fantastic because on top of the facts is getting games, everybody is going to developers and not every developer, but lots of developers going, hey, here's the amount of money. We're GONNA offer you which in best case scenario covers, you already puts you into the black, let alone what you'll make on. Selling, to people who don't use game pass right like. What are you talking about Games costing more and this whole financial argument like? Where do you think the conversations going with that in terms of being good for the industry being good for the developers being good for Xbox? Well I don't. I can't talk about the economics because that's not my that's not my bailiwick and that's not something. I'm I should even remotely talk about I'll be damned if I have in Greenberg on the show again. All right. Like you know what I mean, get him. But I tell you that there's there's a lot of game pass developer developers in the game pass program poor thrilled because their game is going to three x the usage and people are getting excited about the game and they're trialing the game and they're checking it out. You know it's easy to look at other scenarios and go. Gee, would we have ever gotten something like the Sopranos? The game of thrones. If it wasn't part of the subscription service, right? Would a network had made that bet? So a wonderful guy I don't know. But I wonder if we're getting to the point where you know some developers are going to bet big on games because it's GONNA come into game pass. It's going to be experienced that you was not possible through any other mechanism other. Game. Pass. What I had this down later on because, of course, things come to pass every day. So I have a bunch of games that are coming game pass later on. But more importantly, this is a news item that I put down there l.. Let's talk carry on real quick as a side item to this story, right while we talk about pass. And I am I saying curium carry on carry on? I've been saint carrying the entire time, but then I, think, Iran, for NASA, differently in Enron smarter than me. But I digress, carrying released last week to widespread critical and commercial success with nearly two hundred thousand copies sold in hundreds of thousands of players on Xbox game pass, and then it talks about going on and you can get the game wherever this is yet another example of that where you know there was argument early on with game pass and even playstation plus an extent. But if we put our, there was this thing from the outside I, think people maybe who weren't using the the thing as a developer. that. If you put your game onto these platforms, right. Gave it away for free in quotes because obviously got paid for it. But that would eat into your sales and then there was this. I remember quote what it must have been two years ago. Now, just like no games that are on game pass actually sell better. They actually have the opposite of that trend and this is such A. A great example of it yet again of carrying on switch, it's on and it's on game pass, and so you could buy back normally to, but you it's basically influence remarking away ride of like either way we get code, and then we talk about games not every time. But you know most of the time is the same thing here in the same thing, you're talking about right Larry. Hey this games out you wanNA, play you already subscribe. So you're basically taking a chance for nothing and you play. Your. Yeah your subscriber. Why aren't you check it out? I, mean. It doesn't. You know when I when I subscribe to Netflix or anything I'm not going to go should I should look at watch that one I don't care. I'll I'll try for twenty minutes. I'll try it for an hour. I make it hooked. I may not right. That's that's kind of in the similar vein of what's what you're seeing your game pass. Yeah. It's very cool. Now. And the fact that the I mean, let's talk about this for just one second. Let's do it. Man It's a podcast. I'm here. We accept. We are. You know all the Games we showed on the showcase last week, you are going to show up in game pass. That's that's that's that's tremendous. We talk about Halo GonNa, show up there. All the rest of the titles we showed are GonNa appear game has that that is that is a watershed moment that is to me. That's huge I again as playstation fan boy number one, you are not incorrect like one hundred percent agree with you and I think that is the message, a lot of people missed and I think that they came in very much. I'm not trying to start anything, but people came in very much being like. All right. It's the XBOX series showcase. We're GONNA see these Imbaba in. It was very much that got a mention from the top right of like we have all these different. The it'll be the best place to play on series acts. That's where it's at. But all of this ecosystem let alone X. Cloud in September when that's pit paired up with new pass ultimate and you look at you go, that is the seismic shift. That is the difference, the conversation we're having right now. Right? I feel. Okay cool. You have nothing to lose. If you're at home right now and you're like, Oh, I. Don't have an Xbox. I just have a switch is have a I have whatever, when x cod comes to xbox game pass ultimate and right? Don't remove it still a dollar to try. What do you have to lose suddenly and you hear people talk about carrying? You can try that for a dollar, you can try ground tyler. Yeah, and I really. Yeah, exactly. I. Feel like that's what's going to suck people in and make them go. Oh my gosh, this is amazing. Stick around. Affirmative. Thank you. Appreciate that. Number four, this was speaking of, yea. Because remember we just talked about Star Wars and how cost forty bucks EA JUST had the best June quarter ever. This is Eddie over gamespot. The, global pandemic, he's keeping people staying at home in looking for things to do gaming in particular has enjoyed a enjoyed a huge uptick in playtime and spending due to the virus. Tonic Arts is now put that increased into put that increase into perspective with hard data. The company reported earnings for the quarter ended June thirty and it was the best June quarter in the company's thirty eight year history. EA posted a total revenue of one point, four, six, billion dollars for the period. While the company made a profit of three, hundred, sixty, five, million the overwhelming majority of e as revenue for the quarter. One point, one billion dollars came from micro transactions which are called services. Quote. This was an extraordinary quarter and were deeply proud of everything. Our teams that electric arts are doing for our players and communities EA CEO Andrew Wilson said. We launched new games deeply engaged players in our life services and welcome tens of millions of new players to our network. It was an unprecedented first quarter of growth for our business, and we will continue building up the arm building on that strength with more innovative experiences, more groundbreaking content and more ways to connect with friends and play great games throughout the year and quote. EA CFO Blake Jorgensen added that player engagement numbers for as games were exceptionally high and above EA's own forecast. Obviously there can guy congratulations for making too much money, but I wanted to have more of a jump off point with you of. When the pandemic starts shelter place stars every starts working from home. Did they win twenty, one, twenty started. When twenty twenty first active being able to do anything outside. Did, you see spending go up. Did you think I don't mean like experts I'm saying, did you predict that because my concern was it would actually have a chilling effect people working as much. You know you're in this limbo, what's going to happen that you wouldn't see people spend, but now obviously, I, look at how shortsighted I was forgetting that with you're not driving and you're not getting movies and you're not going out to vacations. You actually have more income to spend on something that is a hundred, our sixty hours. Yeah. Yeah. To your point, I would point to. Our earnings which we announced last week. We did talk about some of those xbox numbers being quite extraordinary. I don't have them at my fingertips here. We saw the numbers that we announce publicly announced last week and earnings report that was very clear that yeah. People people were buying games and spent spending time. They were. They were. They were checking out game pass. They were. They were playing a lot of games. We saw record usage and many level. So it was You know you're right people. I. Think. People were like they didn't. They didn't, and we still to appoint. Don't know how long we're in this for. Do we know? That's the thing and I I never bring it up because I never wanna even admit it's a real thing. But like we all say, Oh, can we get twenty twenty over with and I'm Sure, what twenty? Twenty, one we? No. One's agreed that twenty January twenty twenty, one guess what everybody back to work two movies back to. The masks don't come off in twenty, twenty one. Yeah. Right. It's. It's. It's just going to be a we talked about this. This is a this is a new way of living for a lot of people for everybody. One hundred percent, and so everybody stay safe everywhere your masks everybody better to each other. Major. All right. You've the dock in front of you. Right? I. Do I have to read this out. Loud. Dead. Don't act like we don't actually know who your. Major, Nelson, I'm excited to see how much money makes next quarter, but next quarter so far away if I wanted something more immediate, say what came to the Mama Crop Shops? Where would I go the official list of upcoming software across each and every platform as listed by the kind of funny, Games, daily host, show hosts, each and every weekday they did, did you did you do your? Very. Dog Now Kevin don't go too far because you're going to be a part of this one in a second. What's that? Don't go too far. Stay stay. Close. Okay. Out, today. Not. Force which. Family mysteries, poisonous promises on xbox One and switch fairytale playstation force switching. Cat Quest plus. Cat. Quest to. Pack on PS four and switch castle to ps four, xbox one switching PC. Here's a hammer watch ultimate edition on xbox. One Seasons of the Samurai. lost. Wing switch then. Faye tactics on P. C., then swim out on experts. I gotTa tell you. I was playing this before I joined the show. This has an amazing graphical. It's a puzzle game, I mean I. Just I love this guy. I can't wait to go back to it the the reason, this is what I'm talking about because last week, of course, you guys teamed up with Jeff Julian, summer fest, and had this amazing having awesome. The future of what this should be when you're doing some kind of game event of. Hey, here, seventy plus games for you to go on their demos. Go play you. Are I thought you guys disagreed job of messaging in? In Major Nelson saying, Hey, you know what? These aren't finished the kind of demos. You'd normally get on the store. These are the kind of demos you'd get at Apax at or whatever at a show, for thing, which is the future and is awesome and everybody's do and I did a stream where I played a whole bunch of them. Swim out is one of the ones I played and Kevin. This is the one I called you about on the Stream. If you remember this is the one. Yeah Kevin Kevin we call the GOPRO because he was obsessed with a Hitman go Laura. Croft go all those Square Montreal puzzle played go. You know the little white black have not. Original go. I'm excited. I'm excited to try this and of course, it's on Xbox game. Pass. So you're all. Yeah. Exactly. You gotta get in their plate and I wanNA see some reports. Okay. Thank, you dopey comes to switch, paint. Your pet comes to switch Nicole comes to switch the executioner comes to switch foot goal. Tyke Taco comes to switch tiny racer comes to switch xango adventure comes to PC. Rebirth online comes a PC seven. End Seven comes to PC superbox land make comes to PC ARTHA EPIC card battle game comes to PC Frederick, comes to PC rangers comes to PC avenue square comes to PC CAPI has released a today The largest ground stone content update to date the daily grind update introduced fifty levels and a new titular daily grind mode complete with leaderboards, five new gold items, blueprints, and the new pickaxe and Gold Rush Garb in various bug fixes. That's a lot. to both Kevin in Larry Yeah I see your messages. Calm down. Everybody. All right. We got a heart out and eleven chalan about it. You know what? I mean freaking out. You know what? Where he was talking about it. Yesterday on. We have cool friends. He was a hired to be the cruise ship captain of the SS, xbox live. All Right? Yeah. I The cruise director of kind of Funny Games Dale everyone will get to their stops. Don't you worry everybody? Doing exactly. Five new dates for your battle toes is finally has released eight August twentieth. xbox game pass members can pre install it the game right now, console or PC starting today. Of course, you can do that through xbox xbox APP IPC or download the xbox game pass mobile APP for Apple or Android, and print solitaire. Your PC. I will be honest. I. Did not realize until I read this today that there was an xbox game pass APP for apple where I could download stuff, enforce it, and I download it and I used it. Are you enjoying it? Yeah. It was easy. That's. Because that's what I was talking about. Right. I should swim out actually to. Hear something might go. That's fun. That's easy and then you get it and you're done your Kevin, download it on your android. Doing that? No. Game Pass Therapists. All right. Thank you very much. Game spots has this new date for Nintendo celebrating tunes third anniversary by announcing another SPLAT FEST for the game be event takes place next month and like maize bonus one offs flat fest. It's a repeat of a previous theme. This one is asking the age old question which came first the chicken or the egg is it It's gotta be the chicken. Kevin Science Care By. The chicken. How could be just materializing need ratings? It was chicken. Thank you. Yes. Football Manager Twenty one has been delayed to later this year at some point because of Kobe. find. The chicken came in an egg. I'm talking about. The. Whatever. The egg just by default has to come first and then came out of it. Oh, my God. Find the litter will be launching. You're the one I'll worried about the time line years stopping the show for this final letter will be launching steam Tuesday August eleven twenty twenty, and then double kick heroes we'll be launching on demand intend switch on August thirteenth followed by simultaneous release on Xbox game pass for the xbox. And the xbox Microsoft Store August twenty eighth hadn't heard this game until I got the press release today, Larry Wash trailer immediately went to twitter tweeted the trailer. It's a rhythm game that looks like Mad Max. That's. Heavy. Metal Yeah I'm in. Check check check done done. You know what I mean. It is. Oh. I can do the hand still. That's what you're all freaked out about. One hundred percent I see. All right. Cool. You WanNa. Put me in A. We can save by Alison and you can put me into a one shot and then I think we can do that way. Okay. All right. Cool that work? Oh Yeah. Totally. Don't worry about it. I. See why he was there. I didn't understand it. All right. So it turns out. Kevin. Kevin's the crude director I'm you know what I mean? That's how it is more in the engine room. You'll be like it's on fire. Captain, I can't give it anymore call. Captain we're going to let you go. But of course you're you're going to record this afternoon kinda funny. CAST episode. Yeah. You'll be up tomorrow youtubecom Kinda funny. Games. Are we going to do three shows again? Next week? You can come by new anything you know I was telling you after we have girlfriends yesterday you have a career in podcast. You know what I mean. I know that time doesn't want you in front of the camera and he doesn't want you talk. Future Dot Dulles Dulles. Zombie blog that. Thank you as always for your time major nationalized you guys. I. Appreciate All your audience. Hit me up on twitter. Let me know what you think and I'm looking forward to the to join in the show this afternoon and talking more xbox with that with that gang. You give you give Mike. Mike, some crap, Premiera, you make you make them work for his money. All Day everyday my friend. All right. We'll talk to you guys later. Bye Bye. Bye. Birdie. All redoing your show. Still continuing everything's still going Kevin's gunnery size me, and then what I love the most Greg, show, let's just greg, our everybody. It's me Greg Miller. while. I wait to do the recycling the way you want seismic? Yeah. Okay. Play it. Cool though. I'm playing it. Cool. My Name's Greg Mail Iran I. Like Video Games downloading swim out right now on my APP. Guys. That's how it goes when you. came. Up? Close to. Do. Up Even he by. Songs. Were Theory Planet. So cool during the thing, it's just like I ain't. Now, it's just the ad that I forgot. You know what I mean I was. We we. Regret in order. So it's it's not like he was out of its place. Yeah. But I I knew I was going long when we're in the rope reports, I should have thought to push the add up, I forgot to tell me you know what? I mean. Even even the Greg Miller makes a mistake now. Do I make as many mistakes? Somebody like blessing? No, but I do make mistakes. that. Favor. Why would you go after blessing of him? Your Camera Look Pretty Chill, I deal with this cat and dog fighting, right? Okay. Cool. Hey, everybody, it's going to talk about our sponsor If you didn't know when you go to Patriotdepot DOT com slash Kinda funny game to be part of the show. Get your questions, read be Patriarch Producer get ad free and speaking of ads. This episode of Funding Games daily is brought to you by Brooklyn, and you probably heard US talk about Brooklyn and before they're the home of the Internet's favorite sheets, but their towels, there are also amazing. They give your daily routines a little something extra hand with varying levels of. the towel. Your dreams is waiting to wrap you up and with all this extra time at home. It might be nice to invest in a little extraordinary softness and absorbency. 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Big Deal Hong Kong. Call Them. He's called. He's called. It's ringing. Being. Being Mandy at the phone. In the. At? The join, video meal. was. said, he doesn't have to join. Yeah. Whatever I already sized join. Join Video. Look at that Andy. Cortez, he's he he. He's the understudy for Major Nelson. Or. Donaldson. Video Games Bra. Wow. How you doing you? You've been playing some games recently would play last night. What'd you stream last night? Big Cat? I can't tell you. Right we you're doing just keep forgetting that because. Now you can't talk. You what I can tell you. I can't give any impressions on it, but I have horizons, Donald. How about the Shit? Fuck. That in a while. Now, you can say that you're sure you didn't just violate a gap night. Can say that. Yeah. as of two days ago. That's all I can say nobody got I. can't give anymore scoops. Okay. Guys. These alloys still in it. Remains, to be seen. Greg. I. Love It when You keep me guessing, that's yeah. That's. Really exciting. Really. Exciting. So, it's going on major Nelson. He's great. Guy. I, he's y you watch friends with them yesterday. Right I did it was an incredible episode. Everybody should go watch it and I'm really glad that somebody in the sub reddit. Just linked. It was guys. Trust. Me Watch this episode. It's really good and and I feel like that about a lot of our content, Greg. To, Watch. Out For me. Who? All Right? Well Major Nelson. I mean. He's just had a crazy career. Kevin, and it's it's always awesome hearing stories from people on the ground floor of some of the biggest things that you've experienced in your life when it comes to like hop culture. Truly. Awesome. Buying Evan, he told a great story about Mister Rogers neighborhood. I wanted to ask was a bad story. Do we some? Little Fat, it's sad but it's. Okay me, Kreider. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Andy, before we get out of here, we have a question for him cast. Cool. Who says, Andy Fog is Beta this weekend. I. Am I'm playing tonight with Snow Bike Mike. Really. excited. Thank. You plant four? No, no. Down with it. I wouldn't think I'm broadcasting this on. This has come from the cloud. Is True we all. The other thing, the embargo. Thanks, and worry about it. Next week I'll be over ps four. Okay. About how far into the bargain do we have to play? I don't. Want. You guys. I think we're we're GONNA dangerous close also, Greg do you WanNa play together is that has at work. Yeah I do. Okay. Great. We'll figure it out afterwards. Grad be down for that I'd be down for. With Mike. It's okay. It's Yeah but no, but what I needed. To be with the Mike in Kevin's Exco work. Iman says. and. That makes sense. It sounds. I mean. Yeah. I would love to have you to join us. Great. But I think we kind of have to save it for more official fog I stream. For that you? Actually, release Lee e artists would I prefer I prefer for you to do is not play anymore. 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Jordan Was Quarantining In the 90s, Is THIS Our King? 5.5.20

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Jordan Was Quarantining In the 90s, Is THIS Our King? 5.5.20

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And Lincoln Fuck Linkin, 'cause he clearly endorses president trump whole. Oh this! is on that. Interview at the feet of the Lincoln Memorial Hey. Man, he's getting crushed out here man. I haven't been treated this bad. Is this guy was? No one's in. It's Tuesday may fifth twenty twenty Cinco de Mayo Happy Cinco de Mayo to you all my name is Jack O'Brien Aka. I'm not on my way. I know I'm not gonNA. Win I'M NOT my way. Staying home to I. Don't know win. By ALL PLANS DUE TO CORONA Won't see me soon unless it's zoom. Call at his courtesy of Philly nuts, it is me and Julio, and I'm thrilled to be joined. By my co host Mr Miles. And here I go again. Through. Doodoo. Prefer his leave my whole do. Paired, thank you to Kristi. Yamaguchi made crispy cream donuts inspired by the tweet of an soltys scissors. A remix is a remix of a remix. Thank you so much. Of A remix exactly collaboration I'm actually just got mad. When it heals up, I'll show everybody but I just got that remake are remixes remakes of remix. Picking Ba. Well we are thrilled to be joined in third seat by today's core, Co, host and guest. She is the Hilarious, the talented little Zam. Jamie LOFTA. Okay bear with me. I don't know how this song goes really. Clean and sad in the world. Today takes everything you got. Feel draft with all you worry, sure don't help ally. I know that you lied to get away. Might even remotely close Donna the? Before you go because there's a global quarantine. So. You. Use! LIPPI WHEREAS Games. and That's where it okay I'm sorry. Taylor Fleming Rhode and I looked it up because. I've only seen the cheers it Fraser's in. Ignore. All others Yeah. What does that mean the the cheers that Frazier's in the of all the episode cheese at the character frazier appears in and then every episode of Frazier. How many times was that character on cheers, a lot was in most. To watch a lot of cheers, I, I mean I guess it's not that I've seen every freighter, but those the only episodes I've seen frazier's Ben in right now. If. They had giving you an Aka the started. Hey, baby! Blues. Call, loon you would've nailed. I would've I would've I would've been brought it. Yeah, all right well, note for our songwriters. Composers at they're all. Well, there's if. We, can we? We were already improving some great songs before this, but I think frazier one is ripe share yeah. When? I don't know we were just somehow. It turned a we were talking about the cheers theme song, and I slowly somehow made it into a thing about hanging out with people who are doing a bunch of cocaine You Know Hey, buddy. You got a second to hear this pilot script I got. Yeah, it makes not much sense, but it's about a weird robot and I think the thing is you WanNa just anyway. There's things everybody goes your name. Everybody's on cocaine, look. Getting Mister robot going wasn't it. looked. Wouldn't issue like this. Would you please read this script writing? It's about a weird robot. Sorry. After hours episode that I wrote. I talked about my theory that cheers is. Like actually the subjective perspective of the drunk people at the bar. Like. Well and everybody's funny and everybody is good looking and all their jokes land, and I feel like real cheers. Objective cheers is a much more depressing bar right. Yeah there. is also very depressing. Yet is it is very depressing. It's a tourist bar in Boston, right. Yeah the only place worse than the tourist bar is the actual. Cheers that like your uncle will bring you to and get near face and be like this is the actual chairs that's also that's also traced on. What are their? What are the regulars like the actual cheers? Uncle saying that it's the actual cheers. Got It I. Don't know what it was like. When it was not an uncle bef- Priyanka lls problems about like Patrick Wall or something in there. Patrick O. I mean. Let's not talk shit about Patrick one. please. Don't be careful. Next next. Call in episode with your head. Grateful, care thank you. The theme song from cheers by the way like the original has a part of the averse about suicide that they cut out of the. I knew that there's there's a bunch of like theme songs that are secretly like kind of sad like the the lyrics to the cat dog theme song also various like Kinda Sad. Right. Yeah, there's like a whole extra like verse to it. What the other thing we were talking about how? There's like a weird transphobic line in that cheers theme song to. Problems on it's. Wrong it's like someone's like any. find out your wife, a man or some weird. There's like so you're like what the fuck with these other. Like written by a drunk person or something in the early twentieth century. But, yeah, there, there's other verse where it's liking you just trying to get away from your wife, because things are a bummer, and it's either this or kill yourself. Your husband's. Your husband wants to be a girl. That, Jerry noise saying your husband wants to via girl rule. Walls Anyway anyways guys here we are here. We are own version of cheers. This is what if this is the show you ask? Jack keeps. Every day. They will write theories about this podcast like it was written from the perspective of three people who actually had things of value to say. All right. Jamie. We're GONNA get to know you a little bit better. We're going to check in with you. We haven't checked in with you personally for a little while so. We are going to find out how you're doing. But first we are going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about the thrilling finale of mask gate. Where Mike Pence basically admitted he was wrong about something which is. Apparently something people. Can, do! Yeah, I did not realize that a trump is has turned his corner on like how he wants to message around Covid nineteen. So we're GONNA talk about that as well as the new female models which are saying. Things aren't looking good for reopening. things are looking the opposite of good. And also their strategy of blame China that seems to be I. Don't know what the end game is I'm very scared of what the end game is, I guess. We're GONNA talk about an article someone talks to. A public health expert about what the next year is gonNA. Look like. We're GONNA talk about last dance episodes five and six, or I am going to describe them, you guys. We're GONNA talk about the guy in Florida who got busted for camping on Discovery Island, which was a a resort I. Guess which we'll, we'll talk about that very interesting. It's every person's every person's dream when their kid. Snuck into the Museum of Park when no one was there. But then we'll explain why wasn't so cool for him? But. I Jamie. We like to ask our guest. History that's revealing about who you are friend. Well I I've been googling. Ty Warner a lot lately. He's like a fixation of of mine most recently in the COIR. Ty Warner is the guy who made all the beanie babies and he's I was not familiar with his story There's only like one book written about beanie babies but I got it and Iran and. Yeah it is like the wildest store at like Ty Warner. It was just like this strange mean man who got too much plastic surgery and he kept you know he's. He is going around his fist, being like the beanbags, the beanbags, and then he becomes a billionaire, and there's it's just. It's like it is a highly recommend. The book I was reading. It was called the big beanie bubble and if you want to get really. Worked up about something that doesn't matter in quarantine. It's like it's such a wild book like you guess. I thought that I assumed that beanie babies would've just been like a focus grouped like just kind of like a corporate endeavor. It was the project of one unstable person named ty vision with a vision who wanted his little name in little tags with hearts on them and he's. He's like a hotel. Ea Now or something like that is the new thing. Yeah, he has a bunch of hotels. He's actually been pretty well. It's a mixed bag. His Tie Warner in covert nineteen. It's a mixed bag I was. GonNa say. I wonder what does that intersection think on the intersection of beanie babies and coated nineteen as is, there's more than you would think the there's well. Warriner like opened one of his hotels for free lodging for first responders, which is great, so that's good on him for that. The downside is that he released a really creepy beanie baby with a very ominous like you know how they'll have little poems. Yeah, yeah, so okay. He released a beanie baby called hope and It's. Very covert nine onboard. Okay, let's say please God stop. Cove in one, thousand, nine hundred. Here's the here's the poem. In Comic Sans, but that's that's just what's written on the inside of the tag. This is on the little Thai tag because he's you know maniac. And so hope when you go to sleep tonight. Pray everything will be all right, and if you keep hoping your heart, we'll stay together and never part. I feel like the end implies. Someone has died. A little bit it's it's like a stalker talking. There about to murder. Part there's a lot of different ways to come Matt. The praying! Nine, nineteen eighty baby, I, don't love it. I appreciate the intent I. Don't love it just a second ago, I was trying I was I remembered that there's like I like the Tie Warner named popped up in the context of hotels. I'm like wait. That's the same guy right and I looked at. The? The fucking website for Ty Warner, hotels and resorts auto play some Shitty MIDI PIANOS I dunno earlier kind of bled into my mic and my computer I was merely just trying to look at what the properties that he owns were and some forced some shit music on me. But you know look at look at old High Warner making it. Is Still America's fifty second richest person at four point five billion net worth and He is sixty two, and for some reason they include Marital Status Single Oh. Well there's a whole thing with with the. Don't okay to all. My listeners don't date ty Warner. Don't do it, he just. Do you remember the beanie? Baby Patti the platypus no of course. We all remember. Well. Guess what he named that after his ex girlfriend because he thought she was mean a thought, she was a mean old platypus, and he is like Hattie. So what what ty Warner would do with the women who are in relationships with as he would do that? I I'm trying to think of another example of this, but I feel like it happens where he would never marry them so that they would never be entitled to any part of the beanie baby. Keep them out illegal arms distance exactly and. Always. Make them work for him, but not enough official enough capacity to give them financial independence so that they couldn't leave him. It was like pretty fucked up. Like treated people like you're gonNa run our ideas team. Right official job and Like so basically if they break up with him, they're like left with nothing, but they are also masterminded the beanie babies like pyramid scheme and the whole like I. Don't know it's it's interesting at. fucked up and I've been thinking a lot about ty warner. I want someone to make a TV show I. Don't know who would play. Ty Warner. He's a freaky looking guy who's a freaky by. So many. There's plenty plenty out there, so many depict played. The character, who got a little bit too much plastic surgery in behind the candelabra because that feels about right. He kind of looks like the Martin Short plastic surgeon care. Yeah. A little bit good call anyways. anyways, that's going to be a very good. bio-pic at some point. With. God were Dark God God. Willing Yeah, because. Look at them and he would be like. No, it's eyelashes are all wrong and like bake them. Beanie baby back like. Truly an artiste in his own mind, he was a tyrant. He was selling. That's so funny. What is something you think is underrated. Underrated I think is well pitting your animals against each other has been fun. We've started at not like in a scary way fighting just in like Friday way. In the front line, we've started a behavioral contest in the house where it's at the son of the day contest. Whoever was the best son at the end of the day gets a point on the board. And ever gets to ten points. I get so little. Treat gets a water way. So what is what do you mean for them? So what do you? How do you other challenges throughout the day were to the victor. Go the spoils you can assess which is the better pet of the well. Yeah, because now I basically look at them all day long. So it's it mainly goes. Goes to whichever whichever of them fucks up less will the point like for example yesterday sunny shit next to the bed, so that docks him some points? Okay, but if the cat messes up worse than sunny can still shit in the house and win the day it depends on who's worse God it. Wow, so, is there a board where they can keep track their progress or That board inside your mind, there's a no there's I got a little a little. It's actually a little a big lemon that supposed to be. It was like Mike's hard lemonade marketing. And so that's where we keep the scores and right now it's flee. The cat is leading five to four, but it's pretty tight. Okay well. It's pretty time still time. Yeah is the most interesting thing about my life right now and then. something that is underrated, too to watch on television. Is the dress up gang on TBS, which they finally just released all, but it's a really really really gets got show. That address. The dress of gang it rules it's so good. I Like I saw some some of the episodes like year and they they waited forever to release it, but now it's out and it's really funny, and it's yet awesome. What do you think is overrated? Sour dough starter kids grow up. Oh enough grow. Grow. Have you baked loaf though heavier baked one. If I I'll know that I've I've I've really gone off. into another world, if I even learn what a starter dose a-, Sour. If I know what it looks like I'm on the wrong track in my life. I want to know what it looks like I don't WanNa. Know how it works, I don't like. Doing I don't WanNa. I don't WanNa eat it i. just I got all like worked up about it yesterday, but yeah, I don't want to know anything about this hour. Dough I saw jake. Jilin Hall, doing it in a youtube clip and it made me upset. He's weird. How like were even finding quarantine activities that were somehow like relegating like basic nece where it's like right now. If your basic, you're making banana, bread and sour dough, okay? But it's. Also like everyone, just sort of like we're trying to do something, but we still like even though we're all in our houses, we're still trying to create a hierarchy of activities. Still it'd be like actually read. I liked smoking weed. Also. Don't listen to a word I say because I'm like. Yeah, I did a friendly competition with. Stuff list. Take that. If I start making food, people can eat I'm on the wrong track. Look at my life if I have in Three D. printed. Armor for my pets. Then? Something's really going wrong. Well I'm less bothered by like bread of people like that are like. I. It's like mainly celebrity bread I. Don't know something about the celebrity bread. Celebrity does CELEB- bread I'm just. It just rubs me the wrong way. I don't know what it is. I I was talking about it with my dad on the phone yesterday, and then he, he went on a different tangent that also made no sense where he was like well, my father used to deliver five hundred loaves of wonder bread a day, and if everyone's started making their own bread, he'd be screwed, but at that's a moot point because he's dead. And also I don't think we're even close to becoming a society. People are home making their own bread. Like think. We've put wonder bread out business dude. America's built on like defending people and taking away the skills that make them less reliant on my consumption like it's. It's built that way. Don't worry nobody's nobody's GonNa. Try and learn how to make white bread all the sudden, but my my grandfather ate a loaf of white bread a day. No Yeah in his chair, and then he died at sixty four. Do you think the two could be connected? You wouldn't eat. Are you serious eat! An entire loaf of that was his food for the day. That's no. There was other food is well. He's a pretty big guy, but there was a the. That's I. Mean that he died when I was very little, but like the family lore was that he worked for wonder bread, and at the dog track and between jobs he would eat a loaf of bread. And needed dog, and then he the dog after that Greyhound and With a bunch of Balance Dubs. Yeah, I. I do wonder if some of this self-sufficiency making stuff from home is part of America's collective unconscious, realizing fuck capitalism maybe. That could also was going to say that you said. that it that it's not bad to make food, people can eat, but if you change the punctuation and you're making food people. Right. That gets weird. That's that's. You've been yeah, but I think for inside too long I think bread offers people a thing like if you're not normally creative, it gives you the same satisfaction. Any creative person has in that you. You're working on something, and there's an outcome fairly quickly that you can assess and gives you feedback, and then you can begin iterating like on your low. You're like okay so I gotTa do this. It's like I. Think it, just it helps. People feel like you're fucking making some shit because I know I've had that. Urge to even like Funky Cumulus Lego set or some shit. You're always iterating on your loaf. I've always said that exactly iterating on loaves, the new EP from miles gray. Jamie was Jimmy What is a myth. It's something people think is true. You know to be false. Okay, so this is also a food related thing. A myth is that. If you make the food smaller on purpose, you'll eat the food. I've been experimenting with this. We've been experimenting with this in the home where so my boyfriend's been making cookies. Like basic you know. Nothing wild, but just cookies, and then we had a brilliant idea while we were trying to stop our animals from shitting on our stuff. Like what it? Maybe we'd eat less cookies if we made cookies really small. And then it turns out. You just eat the same amount of cookies and you feel worse. 'cause you feel like you eight twelve. Turns out our stomachs. Just don't resolve to numerical values out of. Three teeny one stomach. Hello feel like it six. T I really went into it with some polly pocket logic of like this is just as good as regular doll it, but it's very small. You get the amount of joy from it I tried to apply that logic to cookies and it didn't work. Have you tried anything else or cookies? Your one and done I tried it. We're done there. Well well the nice thing about the cookie. The small cookies is. Fun and I like them, so we're going to keep them small. We're not gonNA. Try to regulate the amount like quarter size. What are we? HOW LIKE LITTLE FAMOUS AMOS! During the break they're pretty. They're pretty small. Some of the Cookie Crisp says her house mold that small. I would say about about not longer than a thumb. Cookies. and. Take unease from the prefab. Cookie dough that you buy the store and just like cutting making it into little smaller, rawls yeah, make little little tiny cookies. Earlier. Put them in the cookie jar. See How long they last. Yeah do they cook quicker? Do they bake fast? Because a lot well, that's yeah, that's another problem is. You could get a lot of cookies much faster. That was such a gleaming. Here's the thing you need to know. Singing quick. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey Miles it's Jack from work. Currently talking to each other on a podcast recording. Literally the dailies like Hey, did you know so? My Mother's Day is coming up on. Sunday may tenth I win. Your. Your mother's I believe Mother's Day. My mother. We have this day for my mom. No, that's that's that's is called Mother's Day, and that's for everyone to celebrate their mothers. Oh, that's why my wife get so mad when I make it about my mom. Okay well, your mom up with a good gift I. 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Every other person including the person He is speaking to as a mask because a mask then he comes out and says you know I wanted to look them in the eye and let them know like you know there's leaders here and basically the whole thing is i. get tested all the time and I. Don't have it, so I'm not going to I. Don't have any kinds of anything, so I don't need condoms full. You don't get it I'm pure I'm clean, and then people like that's a stupid stupid reason. Then mother is our in your mouth clearly, which is weird. Then mother had to come Karen Pants had to interject as well and just basically be like. It's fine I. Don't know what the deal is. He's not like everything was done anyway. Just piling on even more and more, and then we've come full circle, because after the a segment on Fox he basically cup to it very like they're like you know. What about this thing at the male clinic? And he just said you know I didn't think it was necessary, but I should've worn a mask at the Mayo Clinic instead of. JUST PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD And it was again. No Shit and now Mike Pence. Pence twenty twenty row. That's how low the Mars it really is. That's. What that's not even the bare minimum to admit. You've done something where it is now. We later like. That's what. We're. Thrilled to see it, you know. I really feel like I'm a hostage at this point because I really have genuine affection for Mike Pence for admitting that he was wrong about something. That's like the role that. George W West Takata's paintings. For the first time we were like Whoa. At least it's not A. It's. Well. It's just a painting of one. The I think like when you look at just sort of this mass gate, and just the general discourse around masks now like it, all kind of it's all part of a bigger narrative about the mask, and are the rights rejection of reality that there could be something larger than them. That is completely out of their control that not even white supremacy could cure. And when you look at just the quotes right about all of the luminaries of the right what they have to say about Masks Rush Limbaugh Rush Limbaugh says it's clear that I'm not. The mask is a symbol of fear, and when you see various people suggested that we may now have master's part of our public lives for the rest of our lives. Why? Okay look at your safety. fucking idiot Laura Ingram goes on to say quote. The mask the mask kind of a constant reminder. You see the mask in any think you're not safe. You're not back to normal, not even close so everyone is sort of using. It's like. This this is the left's spear tactic to try and convince us that we're all at risk, even though there's plenty of evidence to show that we are all at risk and some people exponentially more. I have a quick anecdote about I got tested the other day for all you And you were going to get Wendy's after as I did I got ended up getting bravely ended up getting Wendy's before as I i. Bet this line is going to be pretty long, and and I was right. It was pretty long but I, but so we were very fortunate in La County to have been I think one of the first, if not like the first county to get testing. Testing for a symptomatic people as well so it's It's not a perfect. There are still limited accessibility to it in terms of like it's a drive through system, so you have to have access to a car We were lucky to get a loan car but we signed up got an appointment two days later. I was worried because the line of cars was a mile long. Long, but we got all the way through the line, and did everything in less than an hour. Just swab inside of the mouth. I was scared because I thought that they were going to do the skull. One skull fuck. Yeah, but you don't get skull. It's just a very like a light dystopia experience where you drive through, and they give you a little swab and a little thing A. A solution that person in the has met suit talks you through it to make sure you don't fuck it up somehow, and then you slip it through the window and then in theory they'll call me and a couple days and let me know in theory. Did you do the wise thing and save some of your Wendy's for after you have a little treat after a couple of bites. Ron Smith Your Wendy's before I even got there. I'm an adult I saved my frosty and say hey, what if they? And they're like you're all the only thing we tell is your positive for Wendy's. Test inconclusive. Chunks of FRY in there. You're not supposed to eat twenty minutes before so. It was a close. You had to time it just. But it worked, but so so if if that if that testing becomes available in more areas, which I hope it does I recommended, it was painless, experience and I got to go to Wendy's well. We'll be on on the. Waiting to hear your results I. Hope I hope you're healthy, are you? Are you symptom free? Yeah, yeah, we were. Three matic gang exactly. All right well, let's talk about how Mike Pences. Boss is dealing with this current stage of the coronavirus situation. We talked last week about how he was real mad about some polling round, his reelection prospects, and just lost his shit on his entire staff threatened legal action. Kidding threatening to sue his staff. and. Now. He is like doing a thing where he's like. Just putting a shiny spin on. The News and how we're getting over this and the country's gonNA open back up and be better than ever like I don't think this is going to be a sustained thing since he changes so frequently in just like a different. Article on Fox or the? New York Times can like set him off in a new direction, but this seems like the the direction. He's going right now. 'CAUSE! Trying to point the finger at every other person. He. They're still trying with China that one hasn't ended, but you remember the. World Health Organization was in the crosshairs earlier. That wasn't really sticking with people when they came back with receipts, and we're like we've been telling you. What are you talking about? He can't blame the intelligence community because they've also been telling him so now. It just has to be have to control the optics of the economy because that is the only thing that he could that. He feels that he has a chance to win on. and. You know like now. We I. I, he was saying like maybe sixty thousand deaths into. We've really we've really we've come out of this really well. It's been a really great success. Now he's saying if something around one hundred thousand people, passing away is still total victory, so those goalposts still keep moving, but now we're seeing now that they have no messaging on. On testing and they they need something now. Because people just they just keep getting hammer on everything else so now it seems that they're completely shifting all of the energy to now talking about the economy, it's like so they're going to throttle back the appearances by doctors, burks and foul, cheesy and more Larry cudlow more mnuchin to be like I mean the way. Way This economy. That's all they're going to say. It's all going to be about how the economy is recovering, and when you look at this tweet from the president on Sunday, this gives you a glimpse of the kind of like the Matic Shit. They're going to the tone that they want. This is yeah, and then came a plague a great and powerful plague. Plague I should read this in his voice. You're out fucking suits, and then came up playing a great and powerful Blake, and the world was never to be the same again but America rose from his death and destruction, always remembering, it's many lost souls, and the Lassos all over the world, and became greater than ever before I don't know what the Cormac McCarthy. Also describing like a pokemon to like I don't know what this is some may the fourth be with you energy. Yeah for sure for sure and you know the whole idea is get these economies backup. Get some anecdotes to put in the headlines about how Georgia opened up, and there was no issues. Florida, reopen. There's no issues, but the bottom line is when you look at all of the numbers. There's not even of all the states that are reopening. Who have this really smooth brained idea to reopen aggressively? They none of them even meet the criteria that the CDC's laid out for when to reopen, which is fourteen days of consistent declines in new cases. None of them have done that if anything, all of our all of our data shows us that are death rate is going up at best plateauing, so it's all just very very creepy, but again this is all just to keep that you know hopefully v-shaped recovery as I keep saying on Wall Street yet so I mean. It seems like there's a clean break with reality. Jason Pardon was. Saying that? He feels like you know. We keep seeing these headlines that are well this. Surely, this will change how peop-. How trump's supporters feel about him? and. It's like when you look at his favorability ratings. It's been forty-three percent like before his election. The day after his election and today, it's like all right around forty three percent, so it's just like they're not changing anything about how they feel about that. So when the reality is that like you can't when you can't. Have the reality. Be that like when reality doesn't fit with him. Being a competent leader who you can like plausibly insanely have as your leader. Something else is going to have to give so I don't know I just feel like we're headed for really like we're already seeing it. I'm not predicting anything wordy seeing it with the protests and the open the government backup shit. But it's just I don't know it's very. Scary! There's this article frank. Bruni column where he talked to this woman Larry. Who is being featured everywhere because she was like saying this could happen at at any time. And she talks about like she makes predictions like this is going to go and waves and various places there'll be like an outbreak in one city, not in the other. It's not like this whole nationwide thing, so we need to get over the idea that this is like a nationwide story that we can encounter that way. She predicts travel is GonNa like how we think about travel is going to change a bunch of stuff. That just seems really smart, but one thing she doesn't. She's like and I think people's political values are going to change because they're seeing like how rich rich people are getting off of the virus and. Come. Corentin, there's going to be thirty percent unemployment, but like those I, so she's assuming that those people will then change how they feel about the president and I don't think that's true I. think that is like a non stint. Their side. Yeah. They pick their side and they're going to change reality to fit whatever. He's the he's the conductor heap supporting him. He's looking. At this point absolutely when people are wearing no masks in the midst of a pandemic to cost play as oppressed white people with guns in Shit. That's yeah, they're clearly they. They're like it doesn't matter because at the end of the day. That number is not going to move because those forty three forty four percent of the country that is always there for him. They're not interested in politics. They're interested in white dominance. They're interested in the oppression of marginalized people. They just they just need to feel on top and they ha. They walked this great and I. I say great because it's able to feed on either side. They always feel simultaneously like the dominant culture or the oppressed culture at any given moment, and they can modulate so quickly between the two that they never have to reconcile one with the other like it's like I'm oppressed, but I thought you were y'all were so Rah about this is trump's America's. That's in that context, but in this one I needed. I need to activate this side of my. You know my personality to energize myself to go out there other times, too. I think it's it's really. It. Really nothing's going to move. I think really the work is going to have to be November to turn out as many people who do not agree with Donald Trump just to fucking vote all right, guys. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about some bullshit. Oh I, see I. Would look over there. 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It wasn't allowed to us on the iheartradio, APP, apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. That's therese does goodbye. Andrew are back and. First of all baby breaking news. Guys Joe Exotic apparently a scripted series. That's been in the works since. Before this docu series, the everybody went crazy about tiger king. And, yeah, they've been developing it for a while and they just announced. Is that the one that's sort of like the jinx? Yeah, that's the one that's kind of like southern. The Jinx, except not as good and the guy is innocent. But it's going to be Nicholas cage playing Joe Exotic would know is a choice snow, very. I mean Nicholas Cage makes his characters Nicholas Cage. Yeah, it sounds like a good choice. When you first hear it, and then you think about it, and then you're like man. Is he producing it and Rockwell? I. Don't know I. Don't know they play him right like, but I'm also like who who's like. Yeah WanNa, make does and I objectively think Nicholas. Cage is the best person I guess. It all depends on how you're trying to make the film like you know. I think US has directors. You elect to see almost these these real life. People come to life as they are onscreen rather than the artist's interpretation. Brands really I think at the end of the day. We just WANNA see. which actor has the Best Joke Sonic impersonation? Reality Show above. That led up to the miniseries. That would have been. Oh, can you imagine what a treat? and. Now more than ever, this is the kind of I run. A virus panicked. World's most famous character. Actors Compete for the role of. Credit Gary Oldman and like fucking Christopher Walken, but just everybody Ian mckellen like everybody who's so wrong for just everybody Danny Glover Timothy Show Alpha Elena there'd be. Everyone's in the mix. Oh. That would have been fun. I just can't even picture nicholas cage is voice like being pinched in high and like. Like like Joe Exotics like like Nicholas. Cage has never had like a high pitched. Voice like that I don't. I think what happened here. Is that like all bed decisions? It was like they had a PR announcement in mind when they made it. Okay is Nicholas Cage is first time on TV so that old. That's reason enough to do it. And I don't think it is, but we will see I think also. They were developing this for a while. They weren't counting on what their response would be to tiger king, you know. This was going to be something worth making and then tiger. And, that would completely fuck up. People's idea of who should be. Joe Exotic because I. Get it if we didn't see tiger king ever, and then they said Nick Cage is playing this like tiger owner. We're dude in Oklahoma like okay. Interesting I have nothing to compare it to, but now that I do. What Oh yeah, I'm also like I think we're all mad about how much of our attention it's. Like I I also yeah I don't WanNa. See it. Sure. If everybody if everybody's looking to me than I'll definitely see it. Like I thought I knew everything about the OJ trial, and then they made to. They made scripted series a series that were like the two things I saw that years. That's true, I do I do love the OJ series. I I wish that see. Not to bring Robert Dose into the mix, but it has. Happened to him in reverse where they made the movie first, and then they made the Docu series. Where if they were Ryan gosling plays Robert Durst in the movie me I like I generally think Ryan. Gosling is a pretty good actor, but he did not even Google. Robert durst he just. He just plays it like a sexy man, not like a not like a little like Freaky Keebler Elf, which is Robert Durst an innocent. We're L.. Murder, else does a little burpee murderer and Ryan goslings like I have ebbs, and that is Robert durst. ADDS. Nothing to do with Robert. They couldn't anything less to do with Robert durst erasure. Really it's really sickening to see I think that we should you know someone. I'll do it could be. Anyone could be a woman. Could be you know. Should should have it just a shot at making. A proper Robert durst tribute. Yes, rounders, independent band, Yes! All right guys, let me tell you what happened. In the last dance episodes, five and six. Has the. Kids. So the show is progressing onto timelines. One is like a slow through the ninety eight season, and then one kind of goes from the beginning of his career to like the ninety eight season the end, so the flashback career storyline is now in the thick of them, winning the first three peat, and like the challenge of defeating the League is kind of over now. They're just like winning championship after championship, and it's kind of A. It's so hard to be famous episode which it is like he's the I mean. They make a compelling case and I I've never doubted the case like even since the Beatles made it that like man. It's hard to be the Beatles. Because everywhere you go. You're fully feel like quarantine has made me even more. There's a part of the. Of the Docu series, where Jordan is just like sitting in his hotel room, smoking a cigar and he's like I can't leave this room ever or else. I'll be you know like I just can't. Anywhere. We're all Michael. Jordan. What I'm saying God Madonna was right the great equalizer. All Michael Jordan. So this episode these two episodes I actually don't know which is which. But one of them had the Dream Team, which was dope. As CAITLIN. Watch it I lost yeah. Oh Qadam. excited. So some things, I didn't like the things. That are part of Legend are the Dream Team practice where like there was one scrimmage game? Though is like the greatest basketball game ever played because all the best players were there, and they got really competitive to the point that they were like ready to fight each other. And it was interesting because magic. WHO's like this? Always? This a happy go? Lucky public presence is. His like throwing the ball, like into the upper rafters of the gym, and just being like fuck you. Mad and like my wife go point when we were watching your. She's like wait, so he doesn't realize that Jordan is better than him yet. Yeah No, that's that's the illusion. All of these guys have to keep going. That you are the best player of all time at all times. Mark even stressful like yeah, when the evidence to the contrary is like they're all the time. Sarah, yeah, so this covers when Jordan Beats Barclay in the finals in ninety three Edinburgh Jordan average over forty points in that final the most art. But he Barkley. Says there's like this game to where Barkley has like the best game that he's. He can play at this point and it was the year he won them be so it's probably like the best game that he ever played and Jordan just outplays. Them needs like that was the first time that I really I ever thought someone. On the court with me was better than me. It's like wait. How is that possible? You've played against Jordan so many times. Do you think there's a way as an athlete to take? Like. Creators you can take those kinds of moments of humility and crow like you can say like damn. That person's fucking killing. It and I understand financing. I guess you'd either need to be so like maniacally confident like Jordan where you just have tunnel vision, and it's like fuck everybody, or you would be like so humble, and truly a student of the game, and be like I'm just trying to be the best person I can be i. don't necessarily think I'm better than everyone, but I'm. Take you know what I mean like is there you think there's a way to reconcile those attitudes as an athlete or as? I like watching that episode specifically made me feel more grateful to be in a more subjective. Of Things. and. How many laughs did you score on that episode career? Lie To yourself if you're doing a shitty job and be like, oh, it's just not for them, but like there's a new miracle. It's you can't really. It sounds like just a really difficult like. To be like you just have to become a better person or never talk, right? Yeah you have to basically gaslight yourself into just thinking you're the best or yeah or just be someone I. Don't know it's A. Thing like listening to Vin Baker talk about. His alcoholism when he was in the NBA, it's like yeah, no, that he he describes like how like having a crisis of confidence and just like not being able to deal with that crisis of confidence, he was like one of the best players in the league, and the top paid players in the league and he. became an alcoholic, and now he's in recovery. Just talking about it. It's like yeah, that seems like actually the same way that you encounter that situation of having to perform in front of thousands of people who are yelling at you every night, like, of course you would have doubts, but I think you have to be able to like foster and to grow almost like a sour dough starter. This illusion that you are the greatest. And I was enjoying the series. So there's a great. Detail in the Dream Team stuff where Tony coup coach is. I hadn't realized this, but he was being kind of recruited. He already been drafted by Jerry. Krause and was like being talked up by Jerry Krause, the Bulls GM, and so Jordan and pippen decide. They're going to fucking destroy him in their first game playing against him and hits so funny because they're just. They're using their incredible skills to just dominate him in such A. Way And coo coach coaches is like I didn't expect. There to be someone next to me the whole time. Never had somebody played. Defense on you. Mostly its own. I guess because a lot of like even like football soccer like man-marking isn't as commonplace I mean you may put one guy to one player specifically, but yeah, that's what's interesting because I'm up full career. Yeah, dominating him, but I just love the two Kazakh that those are the elements of European basketball that have blended well into the NBA is like the fluidity of passing, and like first time passing like immediately I think anyway, that's just my thinking was also recognized. The made it that. It's just less physically people beating the shit out of each other and yeah the beautiful game. So he scores four points, and his like people were calling him the Euro Magic Johnson before that game and afterwards i. Thought. It was joke. Then he liked, comes back and plays great against them, and they point out that like. She grew up in in a war. He, he's like a tough motherfucker. This docu series also continues to just be scary for me as someone in my thirties, staring down the barrel of like everybody looks like shit spending. So bad here in that phase of life list look terrible. Like fuck. Wedding being elite. Being. In your prime people are looking at you at a like. When your body is at a place, most people don't take their physical presence to where it's like. I'm a finely tuned athletic machine with very little body fat I'm like eating like very healthily. Then you just become a middle aged guy I think maybe that compare like if we just knew Tony coup coaches just like Tony. You know who's never NBA owners. Guy Yeah then like it's less jarring, but I think yeah, because our memories of them are so like they're so like virile viral. I do and they're also I feel bad that. Yeah, there's some. I can't remember, but there is like some guys that they weren't dream. Team guys. They were just like you know how. There's like talking. Heads of like Oh. He was on the team at the same time. But you're like who the fuck is that those people look especially like Shit. You're just like yeah wait. He played a sport like it's. Yeah Horace Grant Judd Bush Ler. The Bill Wennington? Yeah. Terrible I remember as a kid getting like building card and I was like what is this? This guy's an athlete is. Washing that episodes, where like I if it looks like it happens to Larry, bird in the space of like two years. The year after he retires. You're like Oh. My God and then switched to coaching and you're like. Oh, so that's. How does that happen like? He does like age president. Maybe that's just like what happens to your body when you're really relieved. Yeah well. I think so. I think what these guys do is so physically taxing like they're getting the most when you play an eighty two game. Schedule and the in in the NBA. You're getting like the most exercise. Anyone has ever gotten ever. You're also like. Not a at that time I feel like the guys weren't really closely regulating their diets, and so they yeah, they develop shitty eating habits. It doesn't matter at that time because they can. Just you know, burn through all the calories, but then like the second stop playing. Yeah? Another just my favorite tweet. I'm going to have to find the person who to it, but. mentioned the fact that a moderate shot so Ahmad Rashad enters as he was always on NBC. Broadcaster. Who is a friend of Michael Jordan's? And is making like some character statements about Jordan and somebody tweeted saying before we go trusting Ahmad, Rashad as A. Judge of character, let's remember who the best men were at his wedding, and there's a photograph of him. And Felicia Rashad from the cosby show, getting married and his groomsmen are Oj and bill. Cosby Oh, my God, D Wa. Yeah do you think you can't win them all? Like. God Damn you know like he's like he's like I I like an asshole now. He's a defend those guys. anyways I'll fire. I'll tell you who tweeted a woman. Get to the tweets at the end. Guys real quick. Should we talk about the Florida guy who got busted camping on? It's just an IT really, I. It's a fun story I like because this forty a forty two year old man. Okay, Richard! McGuire, he was arrested last week, Maguire, because. Be caught him. Basically camping on this old disneyworld island like in the property of Disney world discovery island that used to be like a wild animal attraction, and all this other stuff and people base their allegations of animal, abuse, and things like that in the park had other developments like animal kingdom. They're like all right. We can just shudder this whole eleven Acre Island, so this guy apparently got like. The the great idea when they found him, he said when he was arrested. He told the deputies he said he had entered the island. Go camping on Monday or Tuesday and planned on staying there for about a week, and he was just like just said I didn't know that like. You know what the deal was just looks like a tropical paradise because it was like they put. Put all this flora and fauna there to make it look like as tropical as possible because it wasn't attraction completely overgrown, and it wasn't until like a couple of Disney and plays like spotted him like walking around on the island from like a boat or something. You're like wait. WHAT THE FUCK I think! Some guys camping like on the property, so they had use boats fucking. Like on foot Fuckin- helicopter point, and they were like blaring over PAC's and be like you'll come out like you're trespassing. And the guy came out and apparently said sorry dude, I didn't he claims it did not see or hear them due to being asleep in one of the buildings on the island. Okay. This is great. This is like eminem style. Lose yourself one live one opportunity. This opportunity comes once in a lifetime. Chance to blow probably. Spaghetti on his shirt. You also say that forty two shocking, but have you seen the people who are to into Disney? They're all forty two. They're all like the whole Disney. Youtube community is forty two. Thing that happens to these weights at the age of forty two. We go on a Mormon Lake journey where we must just take a year off to be obsessed with Disney. Did you ever go to Discovery Island I've never been to world, so I'm completely ignorant of all of the fantastic things that live. That exists I didn't know that that was thing and watch those roller coaster youtube channels. I I saw your new form of edging. Discovery? Island was once called. Treasure Island opened in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine been closed since ninety nine. Wow and like there's a there's an keeping it up enough for somebody to camp there. There's a youtube video of a dude who went there recently like clearly just trespassed like one of those like urban explorer type, youtube channels and it. Looks like a place that has not been like operating for you know twenty years. Yeah, yeah, I mean. Some of the fixtures are not fully rotten, but it's completely like overgrown. Yeah! Get for him. Something to aspire to gang. Theft? Looks like fun, and hopefully you don't get shot while doing it Jamie, it's been a pleasure having you as always working people find you and follow you. Can find me online at twitter dot. com at Jamie locked his help. You can find me on Instagram DOT COM and at Jamie Christ superstar. You can listen to the Bechtel cast. We've got some fun fun. Ones coming up this week is bad. MOMS for forbade mother's Day. let's see and then I know I've avoid tweet recently. I can just feel it in my bones. Oh. Let's go with this one. 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499: The Way to Make Better Decisions, with Annie Duke

Coaching for Leaders

33:32 min | 2 weeks ago

499: The Way to Make Better Decisions, with Annie Duke

"We've all made good decisions. And we've all made bad decisions. But what can you do before. A decision is made. That helps you get the results you want more consistently on this episode. The framework for better decision making this is coaching for leaders episode. Four hundred ninety nine produced by innovate learning maximizing human potential breeding steve from orange county california. This is coaching for leaders. And i'm your host dave stove. Iak leaders are born. They're made in this weekly show. Helps you discover leadership wisdom through insightful conversations. A question that. I am asked often by folks in our community and our kademi. How do i make better decisions or were in the midst of trying to support someone make a better decision. What's the process. I can use and decisions to something of course as leaders. We are being asked to jump in on on almost a daily basis and yet most of us never really received any substantial training on how to make better decisions today. I am so glad to be able to welcome someone to the show. Who's absolutely an expert on decision. Making she's going to help us to really frame. Our next decision effectively. Any duke is an author corporate speaker and consultant in the decision making space as a former professional poker player. Anyone more than four million dollars in tournament poker before retiring from the came in two thousand twelve prior to becoming a professional player and was awarded a national science foundation fellowship to study cognitive psychology at the university of pennsylvania. She is the co founder of the alliance for decision education. A nonprofit whose mission is to improve the lives of students by empowering them through decision skills education annie's prior book thinking in bets a national bestseller. And she just released her newest book how to decide simple tools for making better choices any. I'm so glad to welcome to the show. Thank you for having me excited to be here. So we do have a lot of bias in our decision making and we don't necessarily look at things as logically as we probably should to make better decisions. You mentioned some of the key things that we struggle with around decision making in the book and one of the wards. That's used a lot in. The book is the term resulting. Am wondering if you could paint the picture of what resulting is and why it becomes an issue and decision-making yeah as i can. I'd love to just demonstrated through a little narrative. Because i think that if you can ground it in an example can really understand it better so what resulting is saying. If i know how a decision turned out that this tells me everything. I need to know about whether the decision quality was good so it turns out. Well it must have been a great decision if it turns out poorly it must have been a bad decision in one of the ways that you can see this and i encourage people to do this with their teams is just to ask the people on their On your team or think of this yourself as a thought experiment. What was my best decision of the last year you know and just write that down and have people it down and then in. What was the worst decision that you made last year. You think about that for yourself and write it down and what you'll find when you do. This is the team. Exercise is that everybody writes down. What the best thing that happened was or what the worst thing that happened was not anything to do with the decision so they sort of indexed like the outcome. But of course. That's really silly. Because that would be like saying if i drive home drunk and i get home safely that somehow. That decision was a good decision. And yet you can see that. That's the way we behave. Yeah it's it's really amazing. And i think it really makes the point that you made just because you made a good decision doesn't mean you're gonna get a good outcome and the reverse his church to write. You may have made a horrible decision and you lucked out of getting a good outcome. But it doesn't necessarily mean that. The decision was sound. And i think one of the things that i'm really curious about is how can we be less suspect kind of that. That resulting that hindsight bias and actually make better decisions. And you've really done a good job of lena framework for this and before we go into the framework you know one of the classic things that people do is do a proconsul when they're trying to decide on something right and and and you really advise people not to go down that route. What's problematic about a pros cons list. Yes there's a lot of things tied up in there right. What's interesting is first of all the way to figure out how to create a decision process is actually the same answer is how to figure out how to cover this resulting problem which is the same answer to the problem with the pros and cons list. So they're all kind of tied together. So let's start with prison. Congress in the maybe we can work our way to the other staff. He issue with the present hand list is kind of two fold one has to do with. It's kind of lack of dimension and the other has to do with how objective a pros and cons list. let's start with the lack of dimension. It's very hard to make a good decision. In fact you cannot make a good decision that when the quality without a couple of things one has to do with when you're thinking about a pro or con which was called the upside or the downside when you think about any individual outcome you wanna know how big of a pro is it versus. How big of a con is it and that really matters. How much is this. Gonna me michael or how much Retreat caused retreat. Away is the kind of hangnail and the pro is win a million dollars or maybe the pro is mike. Breath is minty fresh and the connors. I could die so so we're listening that dimensionality that has to do with what's the magnitude of the pro or con such as you're sort of looking at that list very hard to know like how are we supposed to balance those pros and cons against each other because it's just a flat list like you could have ten frozen one con con. Could be daf so that makes that very hard to do that. The other dimension that it's missing is probability. How likely already those pros or cons happen because if you were to a pros and cons last trying to decide whether to found a startup you say no every time because founded a startup is just a big list of khans with like a couple of little pros like could become really rich and i could maybe create a lot of productivity in good in the world like it's so many cons on that list because we know that most startups fail. So why would you do that. Well because that magnitude of the pro how big the pro is how how much good comes from you doing. It is enough to balance this out and when you look at that combined with the profitability can figure out is the likelihood that i'm going to get an outcome. That's gonna really advance to my goals enough the balance out against the likelihood that i'm going to have something bad happened to me so you need these two dimensions the magnitude of the payoff and the likelihood of any of the outcomes occurring in order to make a good decision in a pros and cons losing both of those that the bigger problem with prison conflict has to do with the perspective that it's expressing so there's a lot written. I'm sure a lot of your listeners. Have have read thinking fast and slow from daniel comment and you know we know that that our decisions are biased. That we tend to be too confident that we think we have too much control over the way that things are going to turn out that were above average a lot of things that the status quo is going to hold. The today is much more predictive of tomorrow than it actually is. I can go. I mean there are so golick wikipedia. There's a built in is is so the problem with the pros and cons list that a pros and conflict actually amplifies the influence of bias in your decision making. And here's kind of why we can sort of of these vices into a pattern called. Motivated reasoning and motivated reasoning is kind of as it sounds. You have a conclusion that you wanna get to or a belief that you want to confirm to be true and you actually reason. In a way that's motivated to confirm. It confirmed that the decision that you wanna make or to confirm the belief that you already hold so that motivated reasoning is circular pattern of reasoning. And you can see how it pros and cons list makes that worse because nobody's ever gone into a pros and cons list is much as they'd like to think they are saying. I don't know what i wanna do. I don't have a preference for whether i want to say. Yes or no we. Of course when she started to think about the decision. You already are in a place where you started to form an opinion and once you form an opinion the way that you end up constructing that pros and cons list is actually just going to support the opinion that you're trying to get to if you're trying to get to. Yes you're gonna put a lot of pros down not so many cons and if you're trying to get to know you're going to put down a lot of cons not too many pros in and i'm not saying that you're doing this on purpose. These are things that are happening under the surface. That's what the pros and cons list. Does it amplifies bias in a good decision process in what my book is trying to get you to remove bias from the process of add to the ruckus with tool like a pros and cons list. Yeah that's what. I found to be really fascinating as i read through the model of really removing. I mean we're never going to remove all bias right but removing a significant amount. So we can think about decisions in a way. That's a little bit more objective when you're inviting people to start on this. Where do you go. could you just walk us through how how to think about this in a better way. Yeah absolutely so what we're trying to is instead of amplifying bias trying to dampen it and here to what you just said. You're not going to be perfect at it in fats. You're gonna be pretty bad it because we all have these devices that we are sort of like built into our mind but if you can reduce the influence of bias in your decision making you're gonna do so much better than people who are trying to do that. So it's like compounding interest like small changes are gonna make really huge differences so when i try to get people to start down this path i actually start with the resulting problem and what i tried to explain to. People is look. Here's what's happening when you're resulting the sales person who closed a huge sale or the person who's been in a slump for a month or the investment that worked out or the one that didn't and you're trying to figure out whether the decision was good or bad and we're really bad with that in. The reason is that at the moment that we make a decision. There's all sorts of different ways that that decision could turn out right so we can think about something really simple A route to go to work. I could make it on time. There could be a trap traffic accident on the road. I could get pulled over. There could be a road closure. There could be bad weather on average trying to choose the route. That's gonna get me to work on time but there's lots of different ways it could turn out and just because i get to work on time doesn't necessarily mean the decision with good. That's actually a little bit separate apart from it. Unless i see that i get to work on time over and over and over again so the point is on one. Try don't really know very much so what's happening in the reason why we think we know so much. 'cause forget about all those other ways that the world turn out so as we're taking a look back to try to figure out whether a decision was gone bad we want a sort of reconstruct those other ways that things could have turned out and then start thinking about like. How likely were those things to happen. In order to start figure out well west this decision really good or bad because just because it turned out poorly is that particular outcome was one of had and it was only going to happen two percent of the time. It's probably true that you just sort of got unlucky and vice versa. If it turned out really well and that way it turned out well was one of ten and it turns out that it was going to happen that way two percent of the time. Now that i've had time to reflect on it but leads. The decision was probably pretty bad. So i always start people there with kind of this retrospective like. How do you sort of think about whether a decision was bad and you have to do it by kind of putting back in the context of all the other stuff that could have happened. And what you understand that. It's pretty easy to get to will hold on a second. Maybe went a making the new decision. I should be specifically. Mapping that stuff out so that i can think about the decision really clearly before the fact and then when i do get an outcome i can look back and think what my processes and that would seem to me would make everything a lot smoother. Yeah indeed and i'm also thinking about this through the lens of driving to work as an example like we have a lot of iterations of that and we can collect data over time and of course a lot of the decisions i think we tend to think of when we think about am. I making a great decision. Tend to be major like one time decisions right like we don't have a way to go back and then like take date overtime if we made the decision thirteen or fourteen or twenty times and so all the more important to have done some thinking in advance right because we don't get to go back and redo it again. Collect a lot more data. That's exactly right because so here's the thing it's true like if you're choosing a lot of the things that we're doing our kind of one offs where we we. Don't get a lot of cracks at it if we're putting into place a strategic plan that's a three to five year strategic plan. We're not doing that every single debt. When we're deciding whether we're gonna marry somebody. I assume people have the goal that they're not going to do a lot of iterations of that. So whether it's in your personal life or or in your professional life a lot of decisions will sort of feel like one off. Not only that with a lot of decisions were making. Were pretty hyper aware that there's a whole bunch of stuff that we don't know for one thing we can make some guesses about how the futures can unfold that we certainly don't know and then when we also think about our own knowledge and what do we know for example that an investment we're gonna make or a particular sales strategy or a sophomore feature that we want to release it. How much you deserve sir like it that you know the stuff we know is is sort of a small little bit of dust in the stuff we don't know is like the size of the universe. I mean obviously we would all be making very different decisions if we were on missions. So the thing though. That's interesting is that once you start to realize what i really should be doing is thinking about as i consider a particular option. What are the different possibilities for the way that that option turn out. And what's the probability lakers. What's the likelihood of each of those things unfolding. He started map that out. And then you can compare that to other options because now you have a sense of the likelihood of good things happening versus bad things happening in do that to each option once you start to do that. What that does is it. Get you to start to really think about how to fill in the gaps in your knowledge and that's actually really important because first of all the gaps in our knowledge of the things that are influenced. That's the main thing that we have control over that influences our decisions in a negative way so when we think about the fact that we don't really have control over the way that the world is unfold. One of the reasons we don't is because of lock and you can't change luck. Let kind of happens if something's going to happen. Two percent the time. It's gonna happen to percents time. You don't have control over what going to happen. In a way you're going to see that habit but the other reason that you have this sort of inability to really predict the future perfectly is because you don't know a lot and that's the thing that you do have a lot of control over so when you put in a good decision process that involves that being these possibilities out and trying to figure out how likely those are inherent in. That is a question that you're asking yourself. Which is what are the things that i now. That could help me to figure out what the possibilities are. In how likely those are to occur. Also whether the things that i could find out. I'll give you a really simple example of what happens when you demand that of yourself even if it's something you kind of wish you were initiative about that. You don't know too much about why it's helpful so i'll just goes this exercise with you really quickly. Semi computer is on a table with the desk. Actually by computers on a desk now. You can't see the desk that had sitting on right right. I see you've never laid eyes on this test. So watch this so dave. Give me a gas of how much this desk ways and you can give me like an exact gas in that you give the amount you think the guest the desk ways and the biggest amount of ways okay I'm much tusk way Hundred fifty pounds. Okay what do you think. The lowest about this death could way s I'm gonna say lowest amount fifty pounds highest amount seven hundred fifty pounds. I notice that. I demand of you like i let you give me a range but it giving me that rain look at how much of the world that you just eliminated right because if i told you that it was sitting on the back of an automobile you wouldn't have guessed it. The lowest inadequate way was fifty pounds. You would have guessed something much higher. And if i said it was sitting on a on top of cooler you know now you wouldn't have asked fifty pounds. Was the lowest amount way either right so it turns out that even though you can't see the desk you start to think about what's called a reference class. Well let me think about deaths that i've seen in my life. Let me think about how much things genuinely way. 'cause like i know a lot about how much things weigh and you just eliminated a whole bunch of stuff in your decision. So that if you had to decide if i said to you without letting you see the desk can you come. Help me move the task. You would know whether you need to bring a friend right so that that just helps you and the other thing that you did when i asked you to give me the range. Fifty seven hundred and fifty pounds. Is you in expressing that to me asked me a question. You may not know that he did but you expressed to me that you have a uncertainty that you have a knowledge gap about. How long the desk wade you express to me. Exactly how much. It's really different for you to say that if ways between fifty seven hundred and fifty pounds of you to say it's about a hundred and fifty pounds but i think it's between one and two hundred pounds ladder tells me that you're much more certain about what it weighs in the former says. I haven't laid eyes on the desk. I don't know that much about it so we're working on a decision to gather you've now asked me. Can you help me. Because i'm not exactly sure here. I know some stuff. But i don't know enough to get really exact and that's part of the beauty of this type of decision process where you're really thinking about what the possibilities are. You're really thinking about. How likely those things are that when you start doing that work you're not only ask yourself the question to start thinking about. What do i know. What could i find out but inherently in doing that process with other people. You're asking them those questions to and a lot of the stuff that you don't know lives and other people's heads and now you've got to start extracting it from them as part of your process and that's were potentially if you have other people involved i'm guessing you may be make better decisions and i wanna ask you about that too because i think the bias that a lot of us have and i think i do. Most of the time is if that there's more people involved if there's a team involved that we're gonna make better decisions than more. People are giving inputs in that decision. And from talking with you. I'm sensing that there's may be some truth to that but it's a little more complicated. Yes it's interesting actually. That is technically true. I mean we all know that. Old aphorism two heads are better than one and the question is is that true and the answer is only if you're speaking to the either people Interacting with other people in a way that actually allows you to see what lives in their head so the main issue that happens with teams that people discuss things in groups and as soon as you start to discuss stuff in groups. What happens and we've all been in these meetings right. Is that a consensus spirits to form. This is particularly problematic if the person who's in the leadership role or the person who is perceived to be a subject matter expert reasons. Sometimes it's the person with the most charisma or who's most articulate when they start to speak people start to coalesce around consensus in. This is partly because people think the goal of meetings is to reach agreement which is not at all the goal of meeting. The goal of meeting should be to inform who inform everybody of what the different points of view are so that whoever has the ownership of the decision to make a more informed decision so there was a really elegant kind of example of this of how people's points of view get suppressed in a meeting once you start to see consensus. Formula is down by richard. Zek hauser and dan levy at harvard and it was the simplest study. They had this big sort of group lectures with lots and lots of students in them. That you our remember from college and with one section of the class they asked to answer questions by raising their hands so this will be the same as speaking up in a group setting right so when that happened in they had people raise their hands. What would happen is everybody was sort of. Look around and see what the smart people were doing. And then once. The smart people started raising their hands. The super majorities would form where you don't suddenly everybody's hand would start to go up. You know at answering. That was the right answer to question with another section. What they did was they ask them to answer the question using a clicker. So this is not private to them. And when the students were offered the opportunity to answer privately all of a sudden those super majorities broke up and you started into much bigger spread of opinions about what the right answer is. And there's been lots of work in organizational psychology behavioral psychology. That shows that this is basically what's happening on teams is that once. There's a consensus that starts to foreign. Even when people have an opinion that that runs counter to the consensus this being four hundred even when people have information that might be really useful to the team. It gets depressed so the question is. What is the really easy fix for this. So let me just ask you something. So we know that people don't like to disagree particularly when they're on teams. We feel it'd be part of a team players that were on the same page and we agree certainly agree with leadership so this is the question i have three today. Let's say it was trying to get your feedback on something like whether a particular sales strategy was going to be profitable. And i want to get your feedback. If i'm getting your feedback. What is the thing that you need to for me. What would i have to tell you in order for you to know that european on the sales strategy disagrees with my gosh. I guess you'd have to tell me what you're thinking already on it. You're leaning may be what other people in the organization have said who you've talked to already that kind of thing exactly so. Here's where we can sort of the magic great. If i tell you what. I think i then if you have a different point of view i have now forced to into a position where you must disagree with me which is uncomfortable for most people in town comfortable people who are who are junior. And if i'm in a leadership roller a subject matter expert so what we want to do is figure out a way. How can i get dave to tell me what he thinks. Without offering my opinion. I so i could outline what the sale strategy isn't. I could just say. Can you tell me to map out a decision tree brightly. Just map out. What is the possible. Outcomes are of this strategy if we think about profitability is a increase sales by twenty five percent or fifteen percent or five percent. Or is it going to be negative. Maybe tell me how likely you think those are to occur and just have you do that without telling you what i think i now. This is very unnatural for most people. 'cause most of the time our opinion is actually really important data. So i'll say hey we're thinking about the sales strategy. I really think it's a big winner. But could you look at it and tell me what you think. Does that sound familiar. So what we wanted to do is take that piece where i say. I think it's a big winner. We want to take away that that bit. Now that's fine if we're we're talking one on one obviously but what do you do when you're when you have a team because obviously i could withhold my opinion but as soon as dave says something now. Dave has affected the group. So it's really simple when you have a meeting. You know what you're going to be discussing have team members. Look at whatever. The brief is on what. You're trying to get feedback from held them the feedback that you're trying to get whether it's a forecast or you know rating on a scale of zero to fight about what they think. The market opportunity is or whatever the feedback is that you're trying to get. It's going to help you make that decision. And then get them to give you their opinions independently where they can't see what each other has said. Combine it together for everybody to review before the meeting. And now when you come into the meeting everybody's actually seen what everybody thinks it's like having people answer with a clicker in class. And all of a sudden. You've now all the different opinions that live on your team instead of suppressing them. And you are now gonna be more informed as a decision maker because of that so two heads are better than one if you really are leveraging independent thought before you are biasing it with what one person's view are and so if you can get really clear on what's the decisions you're thinking of making an have people detail out those outcomes and then assign likelihood to each of those outcomes that that's a much better way to get to data that's useful around decisions than if you just walked in and said. Hey what do you think yes absolutely. Two heads are are absolutely better than one and problem is that we spend our lives mostly turning to heads into one big head so if you can let the to actually be two heads you're gonna do better in your decision making and you don't need to have the map out a whole decision tree time. I mean it could literally be just yes or no you just get everybody to vote independently. Should we move forward with this. Yes or no. Make sure they write it down independently so that people don't see cheddar's answers. It's helpful if you have them provide a rationale that it can be pretty simple so it could be all the way from something as complicated as a hiring committee creating a hiring rubric advance of a meeting with a candidate and then each member of the committee filling that rubric out independently and then seeing where the dispersion is happening where where. There's a difference of opinion these willie now again on as opposed to you know the other thing that happens in meetings. You talk a lot about the places that you a great. I'd like to reiterate what dave said circle back to that and give my own reasons as to why i agree with day. It's kind of an interesting. It's like okay. David i agree. The earth is round. that's fine. I'm really interested. In the fact that dave is a five in terms of this candidates conscientiousness and a on the two and now we can have a conversation about that and see you know live in that space where we have a difference of opinion. And that's going to inform the decision much better. And here's by the way another just keeping is that. There's no reason that you and i need to agree about the conscientiousness of candidate. Because in the ad we're gonna take some sort of vote. There's going to be some sort of decision and it's totally fine. If we walk away and you still think the candidates five and i still think the candidates to it's totally fine. That's the whole point of having different people on team so this allows us to get into a situation where we're really harnessing the different points of view that live on the team were getting to be able to see them in a way that we wouldn't if we were having the initial discussion in the meeting as opposed to elicit a nap before and then here's the really wonderful thing about it is that it actually makes your meetings much more efficient. Has you've already seen the spread of people's opinions and now as you're sort of facilitating that conversation. You know exactly. The areas that matter most because the areas that matter most are the places where people disagree with each other and it actually creates a lot of efficiency in the discussion. Yeah this is anything. Your book is worth picking up just to get a team. Good at thinking about this and looking at the decision tree and getting to a place. Where if you did nothing else but do what you just described. Which is you get independent input in advance to be able to make better decisions not only making better decisions but like you said you're working a lot more efficiently to and you're not spending the time doing the i agree. I disagree on things that maybe aren't as central to the process. And that's the value. I think in spending time in advance of thinking through the decision. The potential outcomes is you don't you don't you're less likely to go down. The road of like one person whose charismatic in the room in their pet is on whatever thing that might bias everyone else in the conversation that may or may not really be the most important thing for people to be landing on yet. And i understand that. You don't always want to get this information you know. Sometimes you just want do like something. That's kind of quick and dirty and even do that by just like for example. If it's just should we move forward or not. do you want to say us or no. Just people read it down on a piece of paper like in the room and that will accomplish the same thing for things that you want. Wanna do on the fly and by implementing the process independently. I get to actually find out what it is that they think this is so helpful. I know so many folks are gonna find really some practical things they can implement into their conversations today. The book is how to decide. Simple tools for making better choices anti duke. Thank you so much for your wisdom. Thank you so much dave. I really enjoyed this. Thank you anne. Many related episodes to today's conversation. One of them is episode. Two fifty five. How women make stronger smarter choices with therese huston. I talked with theresa on that episode. On how decision making specifically through the lens of women in the workplace and some of the things she's uncovered in her research of how women make better choices odd lots of detail there. An upset to fifty five and theresa's working on a new book on feedback which you'll be out soon and so i'm looking forward to having her back on show Hopefully in the near future also recommended episode three fifty five how to approach corporate budgeting with jodie wad rich One of the questions that gotten over the years as well. How do you handle the situation when you for the first time maybe or maybe in a new situation all of a sudden half to put together a budget a wordy begin. How do you start that process. And perhaps even more importantly what's the right mindset to have as a leader when putting together a budget especially one of some complexity episode three fifty five really. Good listen for you. Jodi and i talked through his mindset as a leader with a lot of experience of putting together budgets. And what you can do. And the have the right mindsets in order to engage in that process in a really healthy way and then finally i recommend episode four fifty four how to ask better questions with david marquee. David's book as most recent book on language that leaders us just such a powerful read specifically in that episode. Four fifty four. We talk about. How do you ask better questions. And of course if you are a leader. Who's willing to learn to ask better questions. As i know many of you and are listening community are it is such a great way to collect better information and if you get better information as we talked about today you'll ultimately probably make better decisions with that information episode. Four fifty four is where to go for that. All of those episodes you can find on the coaching for leaders dot com website. If you'll set up your free membership you'll get access to the entire library searchable by topic since two thousand eleven. One of the topics in the library online is decision making so you can find all of the past episodes relating to decision making including the ones. I already mentioned. Plus you'll get access to my weekly leadership guide. That comes every wednesday with notes and resources from that week's episode but also all of the other things i found online that i think will be helpful to you. Plus the free membership includes access to all of the free audio courses inside of the membership. All you need to do is just over to coaching for leaders. dot com. set that up. And when you do you'll be off and running really if i don't know about eternity but for awhile see next week for episode. Five hundred take care bye.

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