20 Episode results for "Food Network"

009 - Tim McElreath - Food Network Kitchen

Future Ear Radio

21:56 min | 9 months ago

009 - Tim McElreath - Food Network Kitchen

"Hi I'm your host Dave camp and this is future ear radio each episode. We're breaking down one new thing one cool new findings that's happening in the world of the World Voice Technology Power these worlds starting to intersect the second hour these worlds collide. What cool things are gonNA come from this intersection of technology without further ADO? Let's get on with the show all right so we're joined here today by Tim. mckelway Tim tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do all right. Thanks Dave Pleasure to be here. I am Director Director of emerging technology for discovery and discovery of course being a entertainment brand discovery Channel Food Network Asia TB maybe a ton of different Content channels across TV In mobile and I have been working with a team to build buildouts voicing conversational applications For about four years now. Yeah No. That's awesome so as he mentioned You know discovery being the parent company of the Food Network for those of you. Who may have heard the first two episodes that I did with Kathryn Prescott We actually talked a lot about this new service that's tied to The ECHO line devices. which is this food network kitchen? And so after that I actually got in touch with Tim. Tim is part of the team. That actually built this APP. So it's a really cool model and we're gonNA talk through it. But why don't we start Tim with giving us a little bit back on how the idea really came about for food network kitchen. So we've been we've been working in different delivery channels for food network content for a long time we have very successful at a very successful mobile APP. of course we're very successful and LINEAR TV and on the Web Our our direct to consumer group recognized that we need to change the way we deliver content based on the way that customers are really consuming. Content differently This we knew very successful linear TV. But that's not really the future of what we're going to be doing so we really had to do is sort of a deep rethink on. What the Food Network brand means and what the value is we're trying to deliver to customers customers and a very happy that we decide to take a kind of a really bold change to what we're doing? We are now offering offering a subscription product. Everything that was a free all of our free content prior to this and still free. So if you're if you're in using the previous after website jolly stuff is still there but we decided that in order to make the subscription valuable. We were going to start producing additional content and instead of just being a lean back watch TV experience. We're going to become more interactive so As well as being an entertainment provider. We're also going to be an education provider so we're now going to be giving on-demand cooking classes as well as live cooking. Classes and premiums step-by-step recipes. So the idea is across all bar bar platforms mobile connected. TV and Voice Multimodal on Amazon Alexa is that we're going to provide a consistent experience across all those platforms to allow Allow our users to be able to be inspired and select recipes. Be Able to do their shopping. And then also go to the kitchen counter and it'd be able to make them or learn how to make them become more comfortable kitchen Yeah that's I mean for me like that was a total Aha moment because Oh you made a good point there with like going from the setback experience where you're watching television. You're watching Ali. Flay show you how to cook something. And then now you're making it into this interactive model and I think that's been something that's been touted for wildlife is like this new interactive that some of these new platforms are giving rise to when I think that what your service does is. It ultimately takes that setback experience and makes that really interactive whether it be like you said the on-demand cooking experience or these live cookie classes and this idea of it's almost like a Peleton type experience where your in eclipse room if you will virtually because you're in your own kitchen and I think that's just really interesting because again it goes to this point of it speaks to. I would love to be a better cook but I don't really no where to begin in. Maybe just a traditional Cookbook isn't really for me. But if I'm given the opportunity to actually sort of INSTEP go. I got all my greedy and set aside all my tools and I'm watching Martha Stewart or whoever it would be I'm following along in class with them. That is really really compelling to me and I I can totally see how that is like an evolution of of a lot of the stuff that you guys have already been doing traditionally right now. We're really leaning towards the trust. Customers happened us. You know. Be The marquee talent like a Giotto or about the way But we also have a ton of culinary very talent internally heritz would network up Samsung sitting here at our offices and Chelsea market our studios upstairs where the actual kitchens are And we have a ton of expert culinary and research talent on on specific is specific areas from grilling baking. Being to just about anything. You'd want to do so you know. We provide trusted experience. So that you know that when you're taking a class you're taking a recipe it's been bedded and I think as you're saying the one of them kind of exciting parts of what we're doing. Are these live live classes so here we. We're doing some anywhere between four to six live broadcast today and not from our New York studios are early studios in out in location. And besides the fact that they're live and they're kind of a different quality to ally broadcast that or an on demand man class I've actually enjoyed them even more than I thought I was going to have. Some people who are just great live. Yeah I think specifically clearly like a shuffling Michael Simon just an amazing raconteur just incredibly entertaining just to listen to him. Talk what cooking. Yeah and and just to hear the stories and even see like little things that go wrong make it a little bit more interesting. You know that somebody is cooking live in front of you. You know. It's a little bit like watching Nascar. Yeah right and and on top of that. There is there's interactive or and so on our mobile mobile and connected TV platforms. We have Acuna function. So you can actually type in a question while last is going on in a moderator will see that to the talent who's giving demonstration and you could get an answer back or you'll get you'll you if it's a specific question and the talent doesn't have time I'm to respond. We'll have somebody in our culinary department. Actually respond to you. That's awesome. That's a really cool feature and this is something that is on is on mobile and connected the TV. We're working with Amazon. figure out how to bring that experience to to echo show as well watch live classes on echo show right now that that features here's available The interactive is something. We're going to be working on as being kind of a marquee feature because you can imagine you're you're taking a cooking class. You're going along on your kitchen counter and you just using your voice can just ask a question and a minute later. Giada answers your question live the the that would be a really cool feature. Yeah both both. We have for network and Amazon recognized. That's going to be something that we really want to lead into next year And then there's also a lot of possibilities but social aspect the fact that it takes Peleton as a model you know the thing about taking Peleton class. Not only the interaction with the teacher. But the fact that you did you really feel like. You're you're with a group of people taking having this experience at the same time and how we can lean into that the social aspect so that if you and your friends want to take a class at the same time can we provide something. That's more twitch experience so you can have between each other other end with the with the presenter at the same time. That's so cool. My my my mind is GONNA million directions right now because it's a it's truly. It's like everything that we were just talking about the interactivity X. Aspect of this really starting to see it with something like this and you know. I'm going back to my childhood where my older sister growing up was obsessed with food network like all the time that's what you'd be watching on TV. I think about you know like that next generation that you you know they can be introduced to this in the same way that she was introduced through linear TV. But now it's just like you said where it becomes a whether it's a social the thing where You know that next generation with their friends they're cooking alongside each other Or they're they're all in the same class with Giada that you know in in their cooking the same dish it really opens up a really exciting new opportunity and you know just given how centric food is culture and and how cool it would be if more people felt like. They were empowered to cook a really good meal That's really exciting to me right and you know one of the Nice things about food. Is that people. People tend to eat every day. Yep Great for habit forming but it's also in more than just the habit of having to eat you know there's a lot that's tied into food in people's into their aspirations feeds into their anxieties it it it it's you know it. You know all their special occasions the way they take care of their families the way they take care of their health even the way they feel like an adult. Yeah there is you know it you know. Some people may be more passionate about cooking than others. But I think there's for most of us you know we wanna be able to feel like we can go into a kitchen and be able to know our way around and make things that are that are at least a basic stuff seven important to us maybe learn a little bit more You know if you you have special occasions coming up if you Valentine's Day if you're if you WANNA know about about grilling and he can he can really feed into people's passions and also just make them feel less anxious about how they're doing something that they have to do every day Eric. Yup Yeah and I think that another idea that you're going to have these experiences in the ability to so You know be empowered to do that. I just think it's really cool. You know especially as you're getting started out. It might be overwhelming. It might be intimidating committee that you're like I'm a terrible cook and so therefore I'm just going to rely on cooking the same ten things that I've always known how to cook in microwave meals. Whatever it might be but you know one of the things with this? I think the other side of this that I think a lot about is just how much this represents the evolution of voice technology and Komo adding in this multi modal layer where you have the screen I think like it's this really clicked for me in my mind where you take take the smart speaker and I think initially it's like it represents this thing that it can do can do a number of things but people sort of rely on it for like the same five things. He's but like over time. You start to realize like I guess I could do this do that with it but relate to this point. It's performing the same type of tasks that I traditionally personally been using other technology for whether it be checking the weather check in time or a asking a question playing music but what this does is it really does a start to open into new use cases that we haven't really tapped into before. which is you have the screen You have the live element of the Palatine the contact cooking experience. And then you have the voice commands and I know before we started recording here. You may mention that like the ultimate goal. Here is to cook a meal without even having to touch the screen. But I know that there's going to be some challenges with getting there. So can you speak to a little bit about like what those challenges are in and how you plan Dan you know in two thousand twenty and beyond of solving some of these things so that you could ultimately build inexperienced like this that you don't even need to ever really touch the device. Yeah well we've been. We've been working on a food network on boys platforms for about four years now near into after Alexa Alexa was launched. And you know I think those are the four years up until this application as being a year zero You know where it was a lot of you know trying to figure out how the platforms worked. What their limitations were and you know how people really wanted to use them? The even Amazon is on and Google had only taking a shot in the dark on how people are going to be using these voice invoice I platforms. So we were trying. We initially built out. You know recipe search and you know being able to view or listen to recipe ingredients in directions As part of a customer EXCO which we we start bumping up against the limitations of what you could do. In skill the third art developed skill for example you had you had been continuous back and forth with the skill which is not really the way people cook You know it's it's starting you know you have to get a piece of structuring. You have to wait five minutes while you're doing it or something in the oven for twenty minutes and that's really not the way skills are designed to work there also is the need to be able to go back to a piece of content Immediately you know if something times out you need to go right back to your recipe away. That doesn't feel like there's any friction uh-huh and then there's also a trying to build out a language model to be able to do all the the searching by ingredients the talent name if you know any skilled developers are voice developers out. There can imagine that you know is a bear language model. Yeah and you know we had some success and I think we're getting pretty close and we. We learned a lot it now where we are is really looking at what. What is people's expectation for an easy experience using screen without their hands? It's in order to get through a recipe in a way. That feels more natural more comfortable than pulling out their phone and You know I I have one friend friend who put their phone in a in a ziplock bag on counters that doesn't get a messy or you know printing out a piece of paper And you know we. We're now in a partner with Amazon. Were using their Experienced which which solves a lot of that problem of being able to navigate navigate steps and being able to your query ingredients and directions individually Because when you're in the middle of the recipe you may be on a step but you may be stepped away from the device in you need to remember you know what temperature degrees the oven. or how many or how much a certain ingredient and we should you know be able to facilitate no just asking for how many close garlic or how much of the Evan B or you know so-forth without having to go and scroll back through all of ingredients directions. Yeah so that's kind of where we are. Northstar darker really is like can we put a person who's not nontechnical in one of these devices have bring up a recipe and successfully completed without out having to frustrate them with the platform. And and we're we're getting there. I can't say that we're we're one hundred percent there yet right but I think a lot closer now and it's starting to feel like this is really going to be the right answer for a lot of people I think the other the other part of this application that really excites me is the fact that the the the multi modal voice for screens are really part of a larger draft location infrastructure. So that you know people can decide where they're going to interact with US based on their situation like if you're out shopping shopping you can pull out your Get that recipe in. You'll be able to get the ingredients if you want to shop and then save it. Walk over to your kitchen counter. Get home home. Bring up your savings in that in that recipe. Is there so you can use it. Hands Free to actually make it. Because that's that's a situation where a smart screen really really shines or you can go to your TV if you want the more. Lean back experience of watching of watching TV episode or just watching a cooking class rather Actually participating now. I think it's so cool. I think you guys are totally on the forefront in terms of how you take your bread and butter you know what's worked and then taking it in in trying to come up with. What does that look like in the next five ten years and I think you're well on your way of making something that is really A really exciting experience and I hope that you get there. The point to where he said that a non technical person can walk up to this thing and say a you know open The food network kitchen and then boom you know. They're they're searching through whoever they wanna Cook along with whether it be live or on demand That to me you give a couple good experiences like that to somebody and I think they realized that these type of multi modal voice voice. I devices are really. They are in a class of their own. There's something different than what we've seen before and that's another thing that really excites me about this. You know if we can build if we can make this experience Good enough for people to want to use it on a regular basis and make daily habits out of out of using it then they get more comfortable with using these these voice of multimodal screens you know and then they end up on the kitchen counters or in their living rooms or their bedroom and and now you get you you have the habit of using them and now you're looking around to find out what else we can use some kind of a rising tide lifts all boats. You know if you know it helps awesome If people get more comfortable using multimodal screens it helps us out because they're more likely to use them for a recipe and food preparation and but if they use a recipe and food food preparation now. What other brands can can start inserting insults in there and Using the same model The other the other thing that that I think it's exciting about this. Is You know we're we're creating different types of first party experiences that I think will eventually become a be able to be leveraged by other brands and other developers or example. The way we're doing live classes Building out the custom landing pages with countdowns and Meta data doing the live streaming with interaction time. I could see that uses tastes being used for you know. We discovery is the parent company of Neuro- Sport. I'd love to start doing the. HGTV yeah yeah. Based specially with the the on-demand classes and hardiman recipe or on-demand recipe class could be transferred over to A. You know home how to add. That would be very very helpful for myself. Personally I would love that. And not just within our own brands like if we laid out a generic way of doing video. step-by-step how to's with instructions and equipment and that could be that could be surfaced for other brands. Who are doing? You know you know anything from you. Know exercise training to arts and crafts things like that so that it becomes the Alexa platform becomes a more robust how to totally up form. So I'm I'm hoping that you know some of the work we're going to be doing next year really expands. What developers across the board are going to be able to do off Tim? I could not agree more. This was was awesome. I love it. I love everything that you guys are doing. And I'm completely in agreement with you. I think that you are paving the way for a lot of different ways in which people think about how these different tools can be used so thank you so much for joining me today for coming on the show. Thank you for everybody who tuned in and we will chat with you next time cheers. Thanks Dave thanks for tuning in today. I hope you enjoyed this episode of future ear radio for more content like this just head over to future ear dot co where you can read all the articles that I've been writing these past few years on the world's of voice technology and how to are beginning to intersect. Thanks for tuning in and chat with you next time.

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Live video broadcasting on Alexa with Tim McElreath

VUX World

50:20 min | 6 months ago

Live video broadcasting on Alexa with Tim McElreath

"Hello Ladies and Gentlemen Boys and girls. Welcome to V. U. X. World. What are still feel as though I've got a call. I don't know what's going on and I hope it's corona virus said last week but I seem to have had this call now for about three weeks. I don't know what's going on anyway. This episode is with Tim. Mckell risk of the food network. I don't know if you've used the food network skill and if you haven't you should check it out you're going to learn a hell of a lot about it in this episode because today we're talking about live broadcast in through. Alexa and the whole Shebang to do with what's going on with the food network and Amazon Alexa who are building bespoke and specific technology in conjunction with the word of the Food Network of doing to enable live broadcasts through Alexa. We're going to talk about the whole thing. How the whole process works from end to end. GonNa Learn a hell of a lot. I cannot wait to jump into this episode. But before we do that. I'd like to give a shout out to spock's the sparks up is a podcast up. Its embitter right now in the chops at the next layer who created the APP looking for some feedback. Essentially what it does is it. Lets you make sparks on North as you're listening to the podcast episode that you're listening to you know what it's like out about or whatever you're doing headphones in on you're listening to a podcast likely you ex world and you come across a grit insight that gets you thinking gets to Bryn jumping. You know that moment when you zone out of a podcast and you start thinking of something and then you're zone back into the PUCK. Constant thought is gone forever. Well not anymore. Because with the sparks up you can make a spark which is a capture over that thought over the net and you can book market. The exact point in time on the pope cost way you hunt and all of the sparks that you mic for one. Poke episode are all saved against not podcast episode and time stamp as well so next time you. WanNa think about whatever it was that you were thinking about when you're listening to the world you can go back to this box up back to the episode. Find the thought that you were of and then carry on listening at that point in time from that point in time to that so it's fun sausage. The guys are looking for some feedback. So please do check out. Sparks up dot I all slash V. You X. Download it give a goal as I said it's embiid who the opponent into download autopilot on your phone to get installed. Please do please check it out and please reach out to the guys and give them your feedback. Because they're looking for innovative early adopters. Who are at the front edge of technology and who also listened to podcasts. And if that sounds like you which I'm thinking it probably does than do check that out it's Spock's op dot ie slash. Vu ex now without further ado ladies and gentlemen this. Is Tim. Mcilwraith of the Food Network Own. Bu Ex world world agro miss the big faces getting seventeen. What IT ONLY MINUS Mr King Sampson. Dustin Dustin dusty coach. I like it when guys together talking about boys. Lean Tim. Welcome to the PODCAST. I'm glad that we're doing this. Because you're up to some absolutely amazing stuff out the food network. Do you WANNA give us a bit of overview firstly in terms of like who you are and what you up to intimidate the voice activity in the food network. Sure thanks for having me on a been a big fan of the PUTT s for a long time. So I'm Tim car with right. I'm director of engineering for emerging platforms at discovery and specifically for Food Network which is known primarily as being a linear TV brand for food education and entertainment. I've been working in the voice based for about four years now we. We started a partnership with both Amazon Google. Pretty early on in two thousand sixteen start kicking the tires on boys boys interfaces building out experiences for voice multimodal And we've been doing that or quite a while kind of a silo team but this year or starting in April two thousand nineteen. We joined a project to really rebranded. Rethink what food network is across all our platforms so instead of just being a LINEAR LINEAR television brand based on advertisement with some digital assets on web and mobile. We've decided to make food network. A kind of own comes commencing multi-platform Chile entertainment and education And by that I mean we're partnering with Amazon Deliver. All of our content on fire TV IOS and Android and specifically on Alexa through echoed devices to do this. We're building out new content types So besides the episodic television than the digital recipes were creating that by steph video cooking classes which are video demonstration on how to make single single meals or single techniques that have Meta data and step by step. So you can ask for ingredients and directions as you're going along so we have a ton of a On-demand cooking classes or also doing Which is new for US Live broadcast cooking demonstrations when we rolled out the application in October we were doing about four day out of our New York and La Offices right now. We've scaled up to up to ten a day and I notice tonight that we have a big event coming up guy. Fieri is going to be doing a crease. Super Bowl Game Day cooking demonstration with four four other chefs this evening so this this is really a new content type for us. 'cause we normally don't do a lot of live broadcasting we we are we are doing this across all platforms and on top of that. Where essentially building out? What are what are CEO? David Zaslov calls the Peleton of cooking. We are incorporating live human a along with the The live broadcast so on our on our mobile and connected TV PLATFORMS. You can actually go into. Qna Type in a question. A moderator will order to the talent on air and then they will answer you on air though. This is something that we now have on our mobile connected. Tv or working with Amazon to see how we can bring that experience over to echo. Show so if you're if you're cooking along with a demonstration and you have a question you can just go to your Alexa device asked the question using your voice and then within a couple of minutes a moderate You'll get an answer by the talent on air. I can't wait to get that work in the field of US. It'd be outstanding experienced so to get this in my head then so you've got one Alexa skill on within the Alexa skill. You have recipes on step by step cooking instructions as well as live broadcasted cooking experiences as the live broadcast of in in the the skill as well so one of the interesting things about our partnership in integrating content. With on the Alexa Platform is given the number of content types you have from episodic. Tv who text based Video step-by-step to live broadcast the breadth of what we're trying to bring to. The platform is actually more than a what we know of skill can relate to stand just just the idea of building a language model in this thing. With a single skill that could navigate. All the content types would would be a nightmare. I think it would be probably more than a single skill. Can Handle the other issue that we had when we first started developing With Amazon is how do we? How do we start? Connecting the different content types. Oh for episodic TV we use the BS K. To build out a video skill for our recipe experience. We're doing content ingestion that allows the first party recipe experienced a handle. The actual navigation of the rest of a is there a lot of benefits to doing to do using the first party Recipe Module Alexa. It allows or you know an easy return to the recipe. If you have to pause for example you put them in the oven for twenty minutes. It also allows you to do things like play music on spotify while you're while you're interacting with the recipe and it also doesn't rely on that request response model that skill needs to implement in other words every time response comes back you have to on back with a question within eight seconds. You gotta read prompt and then if you don't respond the skill shuts down which really not a way that you can integrate with a longer term Utility like a recipe. So that's that's a long way around to saying that we're actually implementing a hybrid approach with Amazon in that some of it's GonNa be third party development through the video skill. Some OF ITS FIRST PARTY. Content ingestion and other parts are API's or we provide curated content to Amazon to display on curate landing pages so the recipes All BEEN SAVED. I party through Amazon Alexa on the live broadcast in is something so does the life pro constant exist now. Or is that something? That's coming why podcasting exists. You can actually see our right now on. Echo showed you can see the alive schedule If you go if you ask for Show me live cooking classes. That should bring you the live schedule. Okay and that's a mixture of your own development plus some support from Amazon well the API meditated that we provide to Amazon the API Amazon is actually building out the platform capabilities to deliver lie broadcasting content. It's actually one of the more exciting things That I think we've been doing that's GONNA benefit platform as a whole we provide the The API schedule in the life dreaming Urals and the Meta data for each of the live classes Amazon will then display the schedule and then deliver that live broadcast right so then now working on on live broadcasting for everyone. Best on the work that you've been trying to do with them. Something well right now. We're kind of the Guinea pig so there are still parts of this experience that were working through making a making a good customer experience. One in particular is how do we? How do we design lobbies for live broadcast or somebody comes up to a Doctor Our schedule ten minutes before a lot. Broadcasters set to begin how do we deliver that? Let them know a countdown of how long it's going to be Startups and automatically begins that broadcast when the when the time is right right now the the platform doesn't really have the ability that we're working on that we've kind of Split. The difference right now is start by broadcast five minutes prior to its actual beginning and we show an overhead shot so that people will miss the beginning or have time. But it's still part of the experience that we're working through Amazon to figure out what's the right experience for live for entering live broadcast and we're also looking to leverage This this content tight across some or other brands so every branch jurist ORT is also looking at how do they deliver lives ordering broadcasts on Echo Show? So how much of your work that you're doing at the moment then is internal stuff that you're working on purely within with the resources that you have with the food network. This is how much you work closely alongside Amazon to try and push this sauce to forward. Is this a toll collaboration between the Food Network on Amazon? Or is it you work in a way for a little while until you get to a point and approach Amazon to try and get something resolved. What's kind of working leaning more towards total collaboration? There are some areas where we can. We can work fairly independently for example on the on the vs K For delivering episodes. We we build out of most of that experience ourselves but when we're when we're talking about delivering live classes or building a new content types like step by step video ow twos. That's working in collaboration with Amazon. One of our big challenge right now it. How do we build out a experience? That Chan Act as a as a sort of a content curator for all of our types of content The the goal would be is would be for somebody to go to Inigo showed licencee open through Newark Kitchen. And then they can navigate easily to all different types so for example. It's Era San of a particular chef. They can ask for content from a chef and they can contain the product videos that contain recipes can contain next upcoming live classes. They can navigate those stub landing pages through that curated experience that would be managed five branches. All this is something that doesn't really this yet. But I work with emily to find out what the easiest way for a brand to start trading of experiences and delegating down to either other skills or First Party. Justed was a live video. Something that's the food network was moving in that direction already and you had a strong voice presence and you wanted to combine the two or or did voice help drive the decisions of focus a lot more online video I think boys has really helped drive. Love our product direction here. I remember when discovery purchase FOOD NETWORK IN STRIPS NETWORKS UNDISPOSED BACK in March. Two Thousand Eighteen David Zaslov RC. Oh was on CNN Giving an interview upstairs at the kitchen on the day that we actually started the the deal and he specifically said that their goal was to own the kitchen with food network with Amazon Alexa or with Samsung Google using their voice products which was both delightful and terrifying to our team. We knew that something was gonNA come down. Come Down Pretty Soon But it did show that at at very high levels in the company it was recognized that the that these voice multimodal conversational platforms. We're going to be a major player than how we delivered digital direct products. How did you make that happen? We're at a what a point right now. Where for a Lotta people inside brands? They're fighting to get recognition for voice. How were you able to convince the people up and down? Your company at voice was going to be important and strategic. Well we we had. We had some great partners in our our product leadership so we began developing voice Back in early two thousand sixteen There was a small team of myself than another developer in product person building out. You know skills or Alexa and Google assistant and doing a lot of imitation. You know we were fortunate in that. There was really no expectation that we were going to generate revenue through this yet or buildup mask user engagement but our product team realized that this was something that was picking up steam very quickly and was likely to be a major way of delivering content. To people in the future are are real goals for the team were to learn as much as possible and also maintain a good partner relationship with Amazon and Google as the technology changed so we did experiments with your first use case with was really Building a skill that allows people to watch TV and then asked Alexa. Google Assistant to save the recipes that they're watching at the moment and heavy either emailed or save to their recipe box. Though the go look at it later which achieved the goal of connecting our content in a very basic way you know the linear content on TV to our digital assets. You know if you think before when you're watching TV theoretically you WANNA you WanNa make you either have to Google search. You have to go to a website and look at the TV schedule and find out what the recipe is by the time you do that. You you've got most of your customers have dropped often forgotten about so this was kind of a first step to figuring out how we can leverage voice to connect our various types of content together and bill a single of ambient experience for our users. It was also recognized that by the time we started a product idea for food network kitchen and thought of it as a coaching system in education platform. Not just you know. Entertainment and digital recipes a away that people could use it as a tool to really improve their cooking overall. We saw the opportunity that that's a perfect use case for having a smart screen on your on your kitchen counter that you can use hands free and not only walk through recipes but also ask questions and get your get information as you need it while you're cooking and when you've been on this journey you sounds as though you've taken a similar of approach to what most organizations are doing which is not start with something relatively smallman contend crawl before you walk scaling up as you go how you approached the kind of journey because there's a lot of companies now the just beginning this journey on so so given that you've been doing this for foyers and you've you've kind of skilled what you've done As Amazon of kind of Implemented various new capabilities and stuff. Will you from the start where you start and with okay? He is our end goal of live broadcast in. And we'll talk about this kind of access everywhere like all platforms integrated with each other and all kinds of stuff. Were you Stein without vision and then taken small steps to get all you just take in like every three or six months as it comes and just send right well. Let's just do this. And then we will review it and then that's just the next step like will you stop and with a vision. Welcome towards it. Oh you just take an incremental steps it was it was very much more incremental for us you know we kinda vulgar team as platforms evolve. Come back in two thousand sixteen. Once we developed the voice skills Or FOR ALEXA. Google Assistant Alexa. Within September Google was in December of two thousand sixteen. They immediately turned around and said that's great. We're GONNA put strains on it. Go do that Now that's when planning for the release of the first the first version. Beco- show goal is was rolling out explicit on phones so along with doing our own thinking about how we can best bring recipe content across voice. The platform is evolving so quickly. We were doing a lot of experimentation on just how to build experienced with our content on on multi-modal devices. And what that means for cross platform approach voice like. How do we build something that can support a smart speaker and a smart screen and effectively? Give information that's appropriate for either. And how do we build systems that can not only support multiplatform single single boy assistant but across multiple voices systems? And this was at the time when a lot of the tooling that we have now wasn't really available. So you know we we have a we have to start a really great ecosystem for for voice multimodal rules everywhere from testing to generating Visual templates things like that you know at the time we were kind of scrambling to to build those ourselves. One of the things you touched on earlier. That is quite interesting about what you and your team are doing. Is this ambient quality because people aren't always in the kitchen when they're thinking about food they might be you know from the TV like you mentioned. Are they might be in the car. They might be on the bus. And so how does all this work together? It's you connect with your your viewers with your users. Wherever they are it requires us to really think about how people most easily used technology to get the information they need in the situation there at though for example if your you know in a lean back experience watching fire TV and you're watching television program and you want to say you know. Use The okay that recipe. What's good I WANNA save that? For later we WANNA make that pat really easing so you can either use the use the remote to pull up a carousel and save the recipe and then that will be Maintained in your safe that you can easily access on a mobile device. Says you're out shopping and then later on after you finish your shopping you can just pull it up on your echo and start start making the recipe step by step using voice systems and the idea. Is that all of the services that are available. Chevy surfaced on any any device that we support but we kind of lean into what's more appropriate for that particular device for example fire. Tv is best situated for video viewing or long for viewing. Mobile is really more for quick information when you're our about Echo show on a kitchen counter. It's really for when you need that utility when you have specific questions while you're cooking when you need to be able to navigate a recipe without having to touch the screen and one of the one of the features that we're working on right now and. I think I can talk about this. Because it's been in our advertising that were that this coming in twenty twenty We're going to be building out. A twenty four seven online helps system for subscribers so that they can reach culinary experts with questions when they had it and those are going to be context sensitive questions. You know if you're in a recipe will know that you're you're you're talking about a recipe and basically it'll be along with the the live classes we're gonNA extending out that that idea of being alive to actually being able to contact through network as your kind of Culinary Support Law and his is not. Is that contacted? A physical person is not that you'll be including a shed load of different types of queries can be answered within Alexa actual equal. Okay and saying that it is going to evolve into something that will be a hybrid solution. So you can imagine if we have if we start off where most of the questions are answered by actual people over time. We're going to get the same questions over and over again. We're going to be able to analyze the Russians coming in into different categories and be able to a great response to that made me from a from a repository knowledge and then if something doesn't fit in with that repository knowledge. The delegates downfield live live. People can works legal problems and that again feeds are are repositories so that we are. Automated System becomes smarter over because one of the things I think we mentioned when we spoke was fit like throws for example. If we're cooking something. And we don't have a particular ingredient. Let's say cooking a chicken dish and the recipe says are and then mix some tarragon with some Buddha and we're like oh my God we don't have any. What do we do like my? My wife will use my mother-in-law and just like give her a ring or something. But I won't necessarily do that. I'll be just like I'm going to do just like Ali. The warm bother or make something up so I kind of is not the kind of option you mean for this like culinary help is like what what what can substitute them fall. All like this recipes supposed to have like chicken and pork is still doable is it is it those kind of queries right so our goal is to be canes virtual mother-in-law though have you must have contact information will be touchable start. That will start the marketing. But it's not only that because I think what we want to bring. As a value proposition power users is not just we can answer basic questions like how many cups in a court or can. I replace this ingredient that ingredient bunt to support questions that may require a level of expertise in a level of trust up until the point. Where maybe it's more of a subjective answer you know. We'd love to be able to support. People have questions like you know. I'm preparing a TACO dinner for friends coming over tonight. I just found out that one of them is bringing somebody who's Vegan. How can I? How can I replace ingredients so that I can? I can give them a meal swell or you know my my kids eat the same thing every day. What's good. What's good replacement for lunch for them? You know we'd love to be able to answer. Things that are not questions that can simply be answered. Algorithm Algorithm agree but also give them gives us information about what's important to people when it comes to food so that we can then turn around and start developing content that targets those questions though we find a lot of people. Are you know looking for ways to support? You know friends or family who are vegetarian. We can start building out cooking classes that have mixed vegetarian and meat dishes. Or if we find a lot of it's about You know a feeding feeding children And meeting plunge options we can start developing content around there. One of the interesting things about doing the product eighteen per for this is our goal really is to have the openly conversational and not menu driven. So we don't want to the experience that you're like a phone tree On any of the platforms we'd like to have. The experience is easy as you. Just press a help button and you ask a question using your voice so that you the question comes through as naturally as possible so they can get as much information as to what the what our customers really want. That must cause you some problems now. Then because unless unless you're like you know super close partnership with Amazon gives you access to all of the transcripts is that is that a challenge for you. Is that what you've just described. They're not necessarily be impossible with the tunnel or as the castle. Close partners there right now. That not not reported in skills because we you don't get that information in one of the reasons I'm excited about our partnership with Amazon is working with them to find wait within what the platform can do and not just simply for food network but what the platform can do for anybody who developing for that platform. You know if it'd be large video the add new content types like step by step you know voice invoice interaction over live or voice health services. I I would love to work with them to develop ways of ending the platform can do. And I'm I'm very encouraged by by by Amazon's enthusiasm for what we're trying to do and they're open minded about how they can change the platform to accommodate and is this is all of this stuff. I remember you showed as the food network up which is really kill And you have a premium content model. Don't you Common be correct me if I'm wrong. But is it the live stream in his for premium subscribers? Right so we we do we. We are on a model everything that will free prior to rolling off Still Free so the recipes and Some of our in our how to videos to get on the web or still free but the new content types of graded which are the videos. Video-on-demand cooking classes and the live cooking classes and some premium video recipes are available only just drivers and in terms of like the vision for the Food Network fast forward three four three four five years. Do you see the the the benefit of have in live interactive content being. Do you envisage that side of things. Being a premium service ought to envisage being a something for everyone. I think it's going to be a mixture of the two so right now. Our library broadcast our premium. But we are actually opening up. Some of those live classes A few I think I think we're now. We're on a case of one or two per week. That are free for everyone. I think we're GONNA have cream live experiences and a mixture of of three-tier live with well loss cult phenomena. So imagine like. It's almost as if do you have in America. Even empower stingy. You have like the equivalent of like Saturday kitchen. Never heard of it. Never it'll never had okay so maybe there's just an equivalent so on a Saturday morning. I think it's on like channel full. That is I think it's Tim Lovejoy and another one with come by the chops. Name gyms think James Someone Anyway celebrity chef type guy and it's just like a oldest day all Sunday it's either side of the kitchen is called us and there's one called Sunday brunches essentially. It's just cooking show and you know. I it's just on kind of in the background and sometimes it's good and it's like just yeah just monin where they'll just like you know the celebrity guests on kind of like show you recipes and all this kind of stuff recommend why not but it's almost like what you're describing with like live cook and you can envisage one where like you know you're like Gordon. Ramsay doing like a special live cooking session. But it's like it's almost like Saturday kitchen on Sunday brunch for those people who are familiar with that in the UK like on steroids for like the digital first first age so speak. Yeah exactly and I I think you know. Now we're focusing on cooking demonstrations but you know there are a lot of different types of programming we can do once we start thinking about this. You know you can have a ethnic anything sessions with chefs. We could branch out You know the talking about my head now but we could branch out into having live cooking. Competition shows it. That's another very popular content type on our on our network. There could be live culinary events food in mind festival things like that so there are a lot of different broadcasting opportunities we could do broadcasting from within a restaurant showing showing people what it's like inside of restaurant kitchen live interviews you know group chaps things like that and then we layer on top of that that human aspect where where using customers can directly. Interact with the people there. Do you see live media as being something that is going to be. Broadly applicable in the voice space. Or is this something quite specific to what you guys are doing right now? We're thinking about it specifically for what we're doing we're also starting to think about it. For some of our other brands you know mentioned yours porch Specifically we're thinking very deeply about how how we're bringing or live broadcasting there because it feels like a very natural fit. I think there's I think there's a lot of opportunity for it You know I'm I'm thinking about other products that are a afford the the facebook portal was the Alexa integration. Which is in that same area where you're doing ally live interaction with with elected available at the same time. I think when we started out this process we were taking a look at what made. Hello Tom of different products from other exercise and why the live experience was catching on and really striking a chord with people and I think when people are trying to improve their lives. There's a lot of applications being built now In the area scalp help and I'd argue. That food network kitchen is in a way Application as well if you're if you're aspiration is to Improve Your improve away Improve Your Comfort in the kitchen the way you take care of your health care. Take care of your family and putting some structure around learning how to do that. It's those kind of experiences are enhanced with live interaction knowing that there are other people actually on that journey with your sharing that experience with you and that direct connection with the person who is coaching teaching it. So I think if I didn't really understand it completely until I started seeing the live broadcast and they are of a different quality than a prerecorded video step by step. Especially when you get somebody who's really confident about doing the demonstration and they're talking off the costs and they're you know information about the prisoner cooking. They're telling stories about their lives in. Oh that's where we really shine is that we have some great. You know celebrity talent as well as internal culinary talent that They they really do a great job in a live context. You've got some similarities to a think companies who are just getting started now early on the journey but then you've also got some differences because you've worked quite closely with Amazon. I think ultimately a fast forward a few years time. I think it will be to everyone's benefit once they start rolling out this kind of capability. More broadly so you can similar as in terms of the approach that you've taken on your journey so far but the difference being is that you've been working closely with Amazon so aside from the work that you've been doing with Amazon not doing anything conduct with voice prior to four years ago then going on this journey. What are some of the either the surprises though? The challenges are some of the things that you've learned that you think that other companies just getting started today might be able to benefit from. I think one of the things I had to relearn was how much the technology at that point had shaped the way I thought about what was possible in terms of interacting with with digital interfaces For using an iphone they felt very natural but now it feels like the most natural thing in the world really. Because it's something we have just been and we've kind of adapted ourselves to thinking that we need to adapt the way we. We talked to computers So that we meet we meet the interface more than halfway and I. I think you know what's very common people talked about. Voice is at that. That line is shifting so that it's big interface job to understand us the way we talk. And the way we interact. I was even beyond the way way. We talked the way we think of questions away. Wheat desire to get information an aggregate information together and at the possibilities for what can be done is is really a growing exponentially so the thing that I started learning as we are doing this was a given given the technology that's available we can really start thinking about. What are the core problems we're trying to solve for people And not necessarily. How can we adapt people to our our current capabilities? So if somebody needs to learn how to cook or wants to You know get in shape or or you know basically you anything. How can we apply technology in a way that could it gives them the information exactly the way they they need to know it and understand them in the way they think and caulk and then gets out of their way? It's it's it's it's it's a shift for US away from continuous engagement to just enough engagement. Phil what the user needs. And then getting out of their way so they can get on with their laws. What kind of engagement are you seeing fair enough if someone just wants the recipe awesome ingredients and not could be a fairly quick interaction if you're not necessarily concerned with engagement on these platforms than than That's that's a decent interaction presumably. I don't know if this is the kiss with live broadcast in one could only assume that the engagement and the dwell time would be significantly longer than any other experiences. The Kiss we've done a lot of affirmative library tests. In terms of so length of roads engagement we find our broadcast generally tend to run between fifteen minutes and thirty five minutes. I think that's about the average depending on depending on how complicated the demonstration and we find that out the upper limit of what somebody will want to process in a single session live session The other complicating factor arrive is that there's no pausing in order to maintain that back and forth we have to maintain continuous lives. Make sure there were peace in our library. That's in a way that people can not process the information but also cook along and I think anything longer than you know. A half an hour becomes a problem for people if it starts to wear down but for engaging with with individual pieces of content. You know we find that. That's about the right. The right length in terms of engaging with our new type of content of the whole You know I can't really give out you know numbers but we're seeing that people are starting to catch on and our biggest challenge right now. It's really explaining the value of of taking classes of the step-by-step video classes and using You know a subscription product as a as a cooking education platform so I think a lot of this is really trying to edge people in to the product hole. And then there's the additional challenge of getting people accustomed to using something like a smart screen on their kitchen counter to store recipes to actually make recipes and to ask questions because there is deeply ingrained habits around baking food that people people have developed over generations and those aren't going to change over time so we have to be kind of bird patient as people waiting for using these technologies to do things that you know that they may have developed habits over over lifetime over generations so those are some really good like people challenges and I consumer. Behavior Change in challenges. But there's also some technical challenges. Isabel isn't an obviously you're working with Amazon. Don't expect you to to kind of like reveal the grand master plan so to speak or the road map is such book. Some obvious things that comes to mind is that there's a live broadcast. And that's essentially a feed on order for them to make some kind of composition happen. You need to be able to interrupt the feed ask a question and then resumed the feed where it left off or even a little bit later on because the live broadcast is still alive and happening while you're asking the questions thing so I'm assuming that's one of the things that you're looking at trying to solve is how do you interrupt alive session and then returned back to where you left off and stuff right absolutely and kind of measuring through user testing. What the expectation of what would what would happen when a user ask your voice or alive presentation and also doing a ton of user testing around. What kind of questions would either ask using voice And how would that be different from how they would ask a question in a chat interface where they could actually be listening to the class? That's going on and and Entering the question via the keyboard. You're right now we can do that. Live interaction concerned the factor multi-modal. You can be watching the class on an echo show and if you have a question you could go over to the appetite and the question and that gives you that on interrupted Back and forth. We'd have to do a lot of experimentation. Ab testing around. What the what the optimal experience for making sure you can. You can ask a question of the class without actually interrupting your ability to fall along interesting conundrum that. So what Kinda team if you've got if you got like a full team that's working on all of this full-time and an Amazon's working on this side so have you got like a lot of designers developers engineers and things like not use a researchers and stuff or do you lean Amazon for some of the some of the lifting. Don't we have a full team here and One of the interesting things that we're adapting here at the summer now is for for the first three years that are emerging platforms team has been In place it's been fairly silent kind of like an RND team Now that we're integrated fully into Products Food Network Kitchen. We're now shifting that so that our engineering team is Is basically a place among star mobile and Web and connected services team is well on in both the engineering and as well as the product design. So we're we're beginning to fully integrate Conversational multimodal design into our design practice as well as our product and engineering practice pre advanced stuff not many companies along the along. That journey haven't said that it's taken full years to get to that point. It's taken a lot of experimentation and Waiting for the right opportunity to to fully integrate. Our learnings are in our partnership into larger products. You know you know. It hasn't been until this product that the the you know the the mobile connected. Tv and web teams have really started integrate together to build out a single integrated product. So there's been a lot of shifting around not just within our voice multi-modal teams but within the way we'll building out digital products across all of our platforms. How do you see your team growing over the next year? So right now. We're we have a team New York when we have a full engineering teams. Were building out a another team in Seattle here in Bellevue. Discovery has a growing office for engineering out of Bellevue. Right now. We're looking to have up to you know well. We have a bunch of developers now there and were hired furiously out there across all of our all our teams we. We are looking at some of the other brands very aggressively for these kind of multi-platform ambien experiences and so we are expanding the team out and belt you as well and we'll probably get a full squad in terms of having designer product there as well so and then they're also teams for some of the other brands that are just starting up For Rennes like Europe. Eurosport in motor trend exciting times is available in the UK and Europe. Was it just in America at the moment Are we have a team in London as well Who is working on? Eurosport and I believe some of the motor trends and the food the food network. The the skill in the platform is available over. This way food network is us only at the moment Back when we were script network scripts networked was Almost exclusively US only Set of brands. But now that we're part of discovering which is an international. The Discovery Brands International. We are closely looking at Moving food network HGTV and travel channel out to other countries so I would not be surprised if you if if where we are available in other countries reasonably soon cool. Look vote to that just in any final thoughts final questions for him. I don't think so. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. Thank you to. It's been great for Shit for those in America. How can they try out the food network experience and then for those across the world? How can they follow the stuff that you're up to and And keep tabs on on. What's going on in Lebanon to So you can You can in the US. You can get the food network APP ON IOWA'S ANDROID FIRE TV. And also you can link your your food network account on echo show and the experience there as well if you want to follow me or my random ramblings on twitter. I am at Miquel Risks And if you attend any of the major voice events You'll be more likely than not to bump into either kill Tim. It's been an absolute pleasure. Hopefully we'll meet in person again sometime soon but until then thank you so much for joining us. It's been fantastic. Thank you very much. It's been great. Thank you Tim for joining us. Thank you as always that was an immense immense episodes. This is an example of the future of smart displays live broadcasted content strip through your smart split that you can interact with being able to ask questions. Have those questions fed to the shack can have the chef read the answers to those questions? Back live interactive. Video is what it's all about and this will push the Alexa platform to the next level and it and it opens up opportunities all kinds of all the live broadcast in you know music events. I can imagine comedy shows being played live through Alexa. So this technology advancement is really really important. Thank you Tim for. Champion INNIS and for innovative in unfor- pushing things forward UND- out to to Amazon for for working with the Food Network on this to create a technology to happen. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of kiss when it happens as I said Tim. Thank you very much distant. Thank you also UNAS. Always Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you all for listening until next time see letter.

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Episode 167: Melissa d'Arabian

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Episode 167: Melissa d'Arabian

"Hi Friends Welcome to another episode of that Sounds Fun. I'm your host any. F- down so happy to be here with you today. Hey The music in the background from our good buddy. Mr Drew Holcomb. Make sure you check out his new album. Dragons have the final and it is spinning spinning at my house. I'm like Lebanon much next year. You get a copy of that today on the show. I'm so excited about these guys. We have had just a tiny bit of an influx meaning one other person from food network on our show lately and today we have New York Times bestselling author cookbook writer and Food Network Rick Star Winner Melissa de Arabian she also if you remember a food network show called ten dollar dinners and that was her and I loved that show so she has a new book out this week called tasting grace and for those that you've been around awhile you know that my relationship with food can be beautiful and complicated and and so when someone writes a book like tasting all about God and food and and the connections there I'm just about it and then it's also a food network person that I adore. I'm so so excited. I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation with my new friend and author of tasting. Melissa de Arabian the part. I haven't told you yet Melissa is I'm kind of a superfan probably already. I like loved watching you on on food network. I think you're so fun to watch okay it was your first show was the first thing you did food network star. Yes yes gives him my brain. I thought I remembered did you because I said to dinner before you got here. I was like she's kind of food network. Oh Gee like you've been around food network for ten years ten years ago this week that I I my winning was aired on food network. Okay yes so it's a now I can say. It's been a decade yeah. You've been a winner for a decade feels well since since day one and the one but the eyes of America decades right we just had Corey Barrett on who won the Food Network Spring Baking Shrink okay ah he was awesome was he also got. I've got big shoes to fill. No no no. No you brought your own shoes. Were already. We are thrilled about it but I what I was gonNA. Say is what I loved about him is he and what. I love learning. Was that like you win months. That's before you get to tell anybody oh months before and ten years ago it was a whole different yeah. It was the book. It was a whole different like wait what you read the book people. Do you have to read all of those like I think I would like candidate to someone and say just tell me five or ten key points. Here's the thing is is that the our listeners know that nobody's on the show that I'm not friends with Jeff and so it's never a trial to to know who you are into reader product and reading books. I don't think so yeah yeah so it's different than it was well. Yeah it's different now. I mean back then that was sort of the reality. TV was different backgrounds and it was sort of new and and it was really the a reality TV shows 'cause they live filming house. Yeah in the house was part of the Gig so it was just a whole different thing yeah so. How long did you know you won before. You're allowed to tell anybody I knew I had one and I had filmed the first season of ten dollar dinners for maybe four or five months. Oh my God for I one on on on on on camera so back then it was a much earlier it was there was a longer yeah here. He had in fact when I filmed ten dollar dinners the first season when I was in New York filming it I had to wear a disguise was wearing a wig and sunglasses. The whole time I was in New York likes that'd that'd be an elevator going up at Chelsea market like completely people do that now. Probably not I think a lot in New York at yeah. Melissa can be in New York but not one food network star you know but the truth is also at that. Point Food Network Star hadn't even started airing so I mean it was had it no because that was that was like an April and number star started airing in June so they had announced the cast but I wasn't even on TV yet so so ebola but it was just a very different and the start of Oh yeah Dr Dinner Irony to love a fun idea and you you I. I always thought no. It's the same Rachel Ray no way can she cooked this in thirty minutes and I'm like no way as wasn't gonNA spend ten dollars well. She did it and actually did well. I'll tell you about ten dollar. Dinners is really in my heart because I shot that show really from my heart and I I took the idea to them. well it was it was a two way and I will say this. The title was Fu networks idea and insistence. I had a different title in mind and I fought in lost and they ended up being right so thank you network but but this is my background. I really believe that we can all dig into what is truly our background and bring that to share at the table whether that be food table or figurative table or table and I grew up with very little money and I grew up with a mom who stretched a dollar so so so wanting to share strategies for feeding our families on a budget with something that was very important to me and I felt deeply so when we when we priced out all of the episodes if we were eight cents it's over. I would kind of BECO- but but I mean I I was like no. No I want to see our excel spreadsheet model and I want to run the numbers myself often I I we priced out every single recipe and we did it by calling three different grocery stores across the nation now that part I didn't do there was an intern who de la but but my point is if I could really say if I don't care where you live at ten fifty eight we we we went back to the drawing board and I changed my recipes and I I really wanted people to great have these recipes but more than that you know for making fish yeah. It's great if they use my recipe and download it and use it. That's great but I really want them to learn. What are the strategies for cooking fish on a budget and like how do you source that. How do you buy that. Where do you you buy it where you know. What's the best way to do that? I want people to see their grocery store. Bill go down in general not just use my inexpensive recipes about a bigger story than that has so ten dollar. Dinners is a really heartfelt show to me and one that was rooted in stewardship chip. It really was never about go by you know Rahman and eat it because it right never about that it was really about leaning into seasonality and and and understanding the grocery store sales cycle and being good stewards of our financial resources but also our earth's resources in leaning into God's seasonality galaxy so ten dollar dinners. It's a catchy title and its budget and it's a great promise that invites people in but it's about so much more than that to China that is amazing. What were you believe or before you started working on the show and before you're doing yes. The short answer to that is yes. I think that what what has been realized in fifty years of looking back on my life gift is that I I don't ever remember a moment where I didn't believe leaving God. I don't ever remember a moment now. If I were to sort of look over my life and say were there were there moments where my faith eighth was strengthened and changed and deepened absolutely and talk a little bit about that in tasting grace how you know different points in my life led to different struggles in moments of of faith waning and also faith deepening wing but luckily I was blessed with just always believing and and I think I think that it really comes down to the gift of feeling in my gut even when I was too young to express this feeling like faith an doubt can coexist and just because I have doubt doesn't mean my faith goes away and in fact faith as a kid you knew that was in in and intuitively like just as a gift just as a gift and again I couldn't express that but the fact that I have always doubted po tolls wondered heard sometimes thought there was a phase where I thought I was like is like Jesus just like an imaginary friend like I had growing up what if Jesus isn't imaginary friend you know like how I had an imaginary friend named shape and had another one named puff rubber baby puffer babies shape and Jesus and they're all imaginary friends just walking around pretending running and the fact that I've been comfortable with that musing but not having like go of my faith his I realized just a gift and I don't know how else to express that so to answer your question yes I was. I was a believer in a a Christian before food network. Show thank goodness for me. I will tell you this. I would not have gotten through food network star without God. There's no way I would have There's just no way I would have ended it. Food Network Star actually brought me closer to God because you're left there without and again ten years. AGO is a a little bit different. I don't know what all the rules are now but it was a little bit different in that there was no you couldn't have any books or any anything ring any your phone all of that for seven weeks. I mean just in your living in the house no books no magazines no TV nothing nothing as a sign on. I remember this is how seriously they took it. It was it was at Food Network Star during the inauguration of Obama which was a very historic moment yeah right we were. We were not allowed to watch that on TV. Wow that's how seriously they took the not policy so I say that not as a way of complaining leaning but to say it was very isolating experience. They just wanted you with the competitors and again we were filmed all the time in the house because that was part the part of the show back then so if I had not had God to lean on during that time and during that stress I wouldn't have I wouldn't have I wouldn't have done this. You know well. I don't mean winning. I mean just emotionally you know. The good news is that when you take away everything that you're used still leaning on in life like your family your friends your books or whatever you can always turn inward to God and and even let you have a Bible. I don't believe we are allowed to have a Bible and anti clear it was not you were not allowed to have the Bible but you're letting of other stuff hydrogen allowed to have any books at all and I think bibles. Were not an exception I don't believe so I I recall having my my journal we were allowed to write eight things so I would write you know and recipe well and I would write down like ideas whatever you weren't allowed to have any of your recipes with you or anything but I remember that journal in being able to put in there my prayers my my thought to God I could write out scripture that I had memorized so it was a very very inward facing time even though it's crazy because like you're on camera and all of this but it it was it was a lot of alone time between me and God because that was that was sort of a noisy crazy place to be yeah so yes thank goodness for me. I had my faith I. I don't think that I would have enjoyed that period as much as I did. I actually really found that I found that period while all difficult and stressful also very transformative and redemptive not in the win but in the experience so I I love my time on Food Network Star. I really did it was it was a special time in I came out of food network star a different person in terms of my relationship with God and the deepening deepening of that relationship and I talk a little bit about it in in tasting grace that when we had those challenges a going going in and just facing those ingredients without any prep time without any recipes without any time to think I just found God and ingredients dance and so leading into the the prayer that that cooking can be if we're leaning leading into God's ingredients that was that was my experience and talk more about that. Corey said cooking because a lot of people say food is medicine Gory said but I would say cooking medicine and so tell me what you mean when you say that cooking is prayer I think for me one of the gifts of food network star but also just one of the greatest gifts of cooking in general is that we can take these ingredients that had that we see God's fingerprints on and we get we get to continue that creation when we cook so we we we get to step up to the pallet that God has laid out for us and continue his work continue his masterpiece and I think there's something very poetic about us continuing God's creation in ingredients that that mimics what we're told as Christians that were doing right continuing the work of Jesus continuing God's love here on earth and norm wars by theologian who at Duke he talks about how food is God's love made delicious. I I love that if you odds love made delicious so we can take that food and add to though the work and the creation and and the beauty that God gave us so cooking really is it really is a kind of prayer and worship him and an opportunity to connect act into God if I just step back enough to give the food that space and that was the challenge for me on Food Network Star. Is You got cameras. I gotta go go. Go okay. Go up you know harm arm's up whatever you whatever and to just stop and sort of say Okay God. It's you and me in these ingredients. Whatever happens with the competition is sort of none of my business yeah but it's you and means ingredients and I'm here to continue continue the creation and we are all creators right whether it be with food or whatever so continuing the creation was really really a big gift of a Food Network Star for me. I think one of the things I love about your well. Let's say this there are a lot of people listening I am. I'm probably the president of them that have some real issues with food and like relationship with food and what food has been and hasn't been. I Have P. C. O. S. and and so my body handles food really weirdly often. I'm allergic to dairy. I don't eat a lot of gluten I I mean just a Weirdo when it comes to food and also also there's the emotional thing with food that is really hard for me and so I've been thrilled to have you on and talk about tasting grace because I feel like you have such a beautiful understanding and balance of and you talk so much about your own like when food was off balance for you and when food has not been so so talk a little bit about how that's happened with food and Y has why is the enemy tried to steal the beauty of food from US authors authors settle in were here for hours. Okay so first of all let me just let me just bust the myth that that Muniz in this balanced place. Oh I had this sort of struggling question. I you know brooded about it. In the scripture for a couple of years which I did do and now it's fixed and good so let me tell you what I did fix it. Let's let's just in case anybody hearing that. Let's let's bust that myth but what I think is so exciting. Timmy is when I when I talk with you and and then people like us right. I'm hearing I'm hearing Melissa. You're not alone so I love that so thank you but I'm I'm also hearing. We are not alone and so we need to talk about this so that's what I'm hearing and guy. Everybody thinks everybody else is balanced in with their food exactly. I don't know anybody who doesn't have a weird feeling and there's food is complicated because we all need eat it and yet we also all want it and and you can't cold Turkey. It and you can't just away from you know from food and just just not eat food right. We have to learn to navigate to eat food with you know in in in the right and putting air quits but no one can see it except you in the right way a right or in a way that feels good that feels honoring that for for a lack of any better way of saying it that that we feel like God wants us to to have food in our lives and to sort of rights is that relationship and that's what led me to writing tasting grace because I felt so off balance in a lot of ways as a as a child who didn't have enough food. There's part of me that wants to anytime anytime I see food like I want to. My instinct is to load up at the buffet or whatever there's food of what if I may not always be available so there's that part of me then you know as women were in society that we have all of these ads that sort of say essentially if you eat you know sugar and chemicals you'll be happy and be this wonderful person and then we're also told by society that if we do eat sugar or we do eat a piece of hi that we need to go work it off at the gym. Okay now exercise. Let's throw that in as punishment for Food I love how you're right about that about the balance of exercising food that we treat them like a seesaw and they can just both be true they they can just both be true. Both be good so there are there are lots of ways in which food can can be tricky for us. We then feel guilty because we're not making meals at six o'clock for our families but then we felt you there's guilt culture feeds into that and and I love I love it. When Gen hat maker says whenever she thinks about like buying something or she's getting an advertisement she thinks to herself who is making money off of invest and I'm I'm paraphrasing wrong but I I love that sort of we need to sort of step back and say who is making money off of this of paying me feel this way and making making money off of me feeling this yes yeah and and you mentioned something which is so powerful and important and that is that the enemy is at work here and the simple truth is that Satan does his best work in half truths he he does his best work in half truths and in the food space those half truths we are so primed and ready to taken those half truths so for instance in the world of exercise and eating well. Yes we are meant to exercise. We are not meant to be gluttons letten and over eat and eat tons and tons of food and we are meant to exercise. That's that's the truth right. The half truth is the what what what what Satan loves to do is take that little tiny negative truth and wrap a big fat liar around in and turn it into skinny is good good. you know working out will absolve you from. Gilt of you piece of Pie or whatever so it's it's these half truths that we think we're in the gym because we are. You know that's good to do right. It's good to be healthy but the tricky part is the a slippery slope. Is that if we're honest. Are we in the gym because we feel guilty about what we yesterday or trying to quote unquote earn our our lunch today or are we in the gym because we're actually really just trying to get skinny for a bikini or whatever and I'm quoting myself my my own head so that's what is tricky about food is it's it's it's an area that so full of half truths that we can buy into and it's complicated and messy and emotional and and then guess what we're in the middle of this emotional mess and lunch comes and we got to eat again and we don't even have time to step back and figure it out and that's what tasting grace was for me. I you know something something is not right with this and I need to figure gear. Id Out because because I'm not I'm not living God's best for me. When it comes to food there was just sort of no other way to say it. God's best for for me did not include the way I was thinking and feeling about food and not in in big huge crazy ways but in those small insidious. Gs Ways that society cosigns and actually encourages me money on so it it was a very it was a set of subtle half truths that I noticed in my life of food food that I could not reconcile on my own and I thought if I'm having a hard time with this. Maybe someone else's too so that's when I I mean I spent several years in early morning. Prayer devotional tears feeling good feeling not good up down around all of that all of that and then wrote about it and and I would love to say that then the answer is okay you wrote about it and now you're sort of good to go right never been through for me. It's a slippery the place isn't it yeah so for me. It is it it really is a daily reprieve and it only comes from Stang really super close to God. That's that's that's probably true. I would say for me in life. Maybe there are some people who can get really close to God and then banged get up and then they're good for three weeks. That's not my experience for me daily reprieve and everything that I do yeah I find this conversation is so much easier for me with someone who loves cooking and loves food versus someone who runs a gym because I'm always like we're gonNA have to eat. You've gotTa tell me how to do this. I can't not now. I don't have to go to gym. I walk at a trails at Radnor Lake. I can do all sorts of things but you and I are on the same page I have to eat. I don't have a choice that's right. That's right right and so we have to face this complicated thing it is. It's complicated now. There's also some good news here. The good good news is that when I turn to God for information about what he's saying about food. There's there's a a lot of good news yeah and there's a lot of God using food to bring us closer to him so the good news is that when I'm kind of parsing facing out all these sort of messages in life the ones that are coming from society are the ones that make me feel bad the ones that are coming from God. Don't make me feel bad yeah. How do you tell the difference so well yeah so. That's that's a very big question general how around here it's so great to hear your thoughts on. How do we know if it's God. How do we know if it's US and and that comes down to discernment. which is sort of tricky business? It's right for me. Everyone has to figure out what of their voices is. God's voice what are their voice is what of their voices and their head is their own voice so that sort of that bigger question but for me discerning God's voice on food versus versus societies voice on food. My ability to discern is proportional to how much time per a day I'm spending in devotional prayer and in time with God and I wish I could have a better way of saying listen well. This is what God's voice sounds like and this is what society's voice sounds like but the reality is it's for me. It's about training myself. I self in discernment and Training and discernment comes from Daily Devotional Prayer and reading in God's word the more I do that the better able I m to discern and that's why it's daily reprieve his because unfortunately only my discerning my discernment. It goes away pretty quickly if I just you. I'm telling you because I'm telling I am. I'm I'm good at fooling myself. Yeah I really am so. It's really no secret that if I let my morning devotional time go. It's only a matter of a couple of days until my mind starts telling me things that are negative not just in the food space but in you know self esteem in wanting to do things and like everything like other for me. There's just there's no secret the number one best best daily habit that I can have more than what I eat more than you know exercise all those those are great news for me to you know feel you better. The number one habit for me is my daily morning devotional time and if it goes away after a few days not only do I feel it but people around me. Oh Oh I say that a lot of Jinnah knows when I'm not connected with the Lord Yeah Yeah. He's sitting in office with me all day. She knows yes and and I will say this that in terms of the food messages now who messages are coming at us well which ones are from God and which ones aren't well. I will say this if you just sort of trying to you know get sort of a you know a litmus test. I will say this in general the mess food messages coming from God are ones that bring people together other that bring me closer to God to my original purpose to they take me back to who I was in genesis this one you know the the worker that Adam and Eve they were meant to be intending the garden the Creator we were created to be so when I feel like I'm drawn closer in to God and to who Jesus was with food into bringing people together then chances are that is probably more message from God. If it's a message that is more separating and if I think in marinate in in something long enough I can get a sense for whether something is more separating than bringing together so so if I say to you as they used to. I would say this on on Food Network all the time you know. Oh impress your friends with this. You know with this easy recipe impressing our friends. Is that a message of separation or one of unification. It's really separation isn't right right. Impressing means put yourself up on a pedestal. It's a small pedestal. I get it. We're talking about chicken MOCATTA. You know I get it. There are limits to how much chicken Kadarshian separate you from your family and friends but if the intention is impressing that separating so really looking at is this separating we're bringing people together and bringing me closer to God that is probably my the the best litmus. If you're looking for a quick take answer that would be it but it really comes down to that deep discernment. Hey friends just interrupt in this conversation with Melissa. Keep talking about food and talk about prep dish. You guys know I I love. I Love Alison that runs it. PREP DISH is my new secret weapon for healthy stress free meals produce a meal planning service and every week you get an email with the grocery list and prep ahead instruction so all your meals are ready for the week. No guesswork needed. You'll do your shopping and mixing ahead of time. 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Can you do it at night what you can do so the second. The second question is faster faster. Yes sure whatever you want just find morning is like it sets up my day if I can find that thirty minutes in the morning versus thirty minutes at night but but I'm also like I think God wants to spend time with you whenever you want to totally agree with you and so I am of that you do you yeah great great. The reason why I make the case for the morning is that there is a there's sort of an afterglow of devotional time and by the way I would say the same thing is true of exercise. Yeah you have those endorphins but you know true for both but in different ways into different degrees so I'm not equating the two but but I would also make the case for morning exercise but there's an afterglow glow that comes with devotional time that I am just kinder. I am wiser. I am better at discerning in God's voice the closer I am to devotional time so for me. I feel like why waste that during sleeping you know so why not have that extra wisdom or help or peace or connection with God as I go through and make conscious conscious decisions throughout my day whereas if I'm sleeping than for me you know I'm sort of on autopilot I don't have to. I don't have to have a lot of discernment to Riley the right like I can do that. I my whole life yeah so for me. I get more out of it if I do it in the morning but same thing with exercise as I I know you can exercise whenever but I feel great for you know eight or ten hours after I exercise so why not be awake for that that's my feeling so so anything important that I WANNA do I do in the morning as I want to enjoy the benefits so as you're devotional time look you read a book. Do you read Your Bible Journal. Yeah it it. It really varies my devotional time varies and I have different devotional sort of tracks going yeah so I have kind of three different things that I do one is I usually have sort of an area of special interest or growth that I'm always reading reading about in the Bible so for instance for the past few years that has been food and how God is using food in our lives yeah so I will read a section of the Bible related to a topic that I find interesting and a personal growth area the second thing that I always have sort of going in my track second track. I was going. I'm always reading the Bible like like a like through you version APP share. We're like in a read the Bible like in a year or whatever but I don't necessarily do it in a year. I just I always have that. I'm always tracking on that all day chapter two of that to kind of keep that going but that that will be unrelated to anything yeah the other thing that I do is I will often have a devotion that I'm working through so I will pop in and do do that and then the fourth thing I do is I'm usually part of a Bible study alcohol so they always have their things that they're looking at. What all kind of be like we just did on your. Beth more homework right. Yes we're doing like doing whatever the homework is. Whatever that is so that's sort of the fourth worth track I don't do all four every day and when I travel that might look different yeah I do travel with my big Huge Pink Bible. I travel with my bill and I I need the Big One. I need to I just I want. I want it all on one play. Yes I wanna read the Bible from the last place. I read the Bible. I I have lows last notes so I don't do four every day. I usually do two of those four and it kind of depends on what mood I'm in but those are sort of I was those four tracks. Going people have four books going yeah you know and then they pick up and read. That's not me but but you you gotTA. Act Devotional Tracts Yeah and I but I have to do at least one of those hand at least one of those I have to. I just love it. I love thank you for sharing that with us because I think I think one of the reasons we stall out on doing those things is because we don't know if we're doing the right thing then when we ask if they hear all these different people and what their devotions devotion look like and what hearing God looks like for them. No matter where you are in your faith journey you can go. Oh there's an APP I can read you version and Oh okay. That'll read to you yet. You put ah my makeup on every day. I listened to the Audio Book of the Bible in Chronological Order. Yes and you see yeah every day. That's just listened to a little bit. I'm going to add a fifth thing that I do which doesn't Melissa well. You know it's sort of a four be okay. It's not even though because it doesn't replace any of my other national stuff but the other thing I love to do is I love to have some Christian author some books by Christian Authors Share Thinking of for instance yearbook or a loved president of a perfect. Oh Yeah Sean so after I do my devotional. If if it's like a weekend or I can I love to than just read someone else's Christian Book and it's just like a fun little treat sort of a in between the the the work in thinking and marinating in God's. It's word into like my normal life of like Oh. I gotta go take the kids to school or whatever their back to school. I take them nowhere. No I'm kidding but but I do love that so I always have like a like a what I call like fun Christian Book that I'm I'm kind of reading tasting Gracia. I one you've written like that. Tasting grace is is my first one that can sit morning book my my morning lunch and dinner books yes or even even evening books or different times but I love morning reading. I love reading with coffee. OFFI and I don't like hockey at night. So I kind of have to read in the morning right there you go. I love that okay so one of the things I loved about tasting grace because while I do have a a pretty long extensive history with food issues. I also am kind of a Foodie. I love beautiful food. I'm an immigrant seven. I love experiences. I want to like like I want to order everything on the menu. Try everything that's what I made. My friends and I went to loveless cafe. Why aren town you. Should maybe trying to get to levels go. I saw your post on okay good. Actually I google that to see. How far is it from there. Can we go and the whatever and I was a little bit out of it yeah about five minutes town yeah but when you go you're like just let us try everything. Ya Ah Bot you. One of my favorite chapters in the book that you wrote about was about what how foodie culture has changed and how I wanna read the the subtitle title of the Chapter Foodie Culture may be chipping away at God's Food Culture Melissa. Tell me what you're talking. Oh a preface all of this like anti really went to the hard way. I I love food as art yeah. I I love chefs and a some of my best friends are restaurant chefs and they are amazing. I talk about Richard. Blaze plays Artie to yeah. Oh yeah okay already is one of my like I love. I love already so much parenthetically cle- yeah I already and I have been tight friends since the day she was on Food Network Star and we actually after she one food network star but wasn't out the window a few network star we both ran Atlantic city and we met like Rendezvous Avenue secret meeting where like she took the elevator up and I took the elevator up at separate times together and like talk and private and sheesh spent such a gift ardy is is the person that even when I was reading tasting Grayson's yeah struggling to that that you know that I can call her and we will pray prey on the phone together and everything from you know we've called each other and prayed together and in like the you know the chop dressing rooms room sure right. I mean I've called her from from the parking lot of like a big meeting where I'll just can. We just pray before we go in or you know I I mean like and and I will do the same for her so we just so yes. I Know Marty. I love Richard Blaze. I'm a fan of his work. I know like real life friendship stories via Artie. Yeah just how I got there so Richard but that's okay so so Richard who is a I mean. He's he's actually Richard. Richard is a genius with code where I step back and think I just need to drink in his gift and his artistry and yet what I also just love about Richard his he is so unimpressed with with his talent yeah. He's just he's ready to make the next thing oh he's just he's amazing. I just love him but when I watch Richard in the kitchen I stand back and I'm in awe of this God given gift. I love restaurant chefs. I think what is tricky and is not their their fault is that society has become so obsessed with restaurant chefs. Yeah we've created this new category of celebrity chefs chiefs which by the way I realize the irony of meat sort of being lumped into it while the same things happen for Christians yeah right right but if it's true locally as weird it's true guest yeah that's true and and when we start to there are all sorts of problems right when we put anybody on a pedestal of any sort of you know or anything the thing on a pedestal when we put creation above the creator that has its own problems but when when it comes to Foodie culture we we have created this world where the restaurant chef has become the if not the only voice certainly the most valued valued voice in food so we have made restaurant worthy meals and fancy plating and swishes sort live the the standard by which a home cook measures herself or himself and I think that's that's where it becomes a little bit. Dangerous is where we start making that artistry our lives for whether we are succeeding or failing in the kitchen kitchen and regular looking. Everybody else's brunch picture so that's exactly right eye exam look like that. I mean let's let's let's talk about the term food porn right right right that says it all yes right yes so when we remove the the joy and connectedness that comes from though work the word the work of putting a meal on the table for our family family every single night and we say that we must make it with fancies swishes and we must put filters on it and has to be instagram worthier restaurant worthy we are in the language language of divisiveness which separating it's separating and let's and by the way artists like. Richard blaze never ever used that separating language their chest sharing their genius on their art and their wonderfulness so society is bringing in this half truth which is that their food is beautiful. It's meant to be shared. Restaurants are wonderful place to go and and meet with friends I and there's so much good there and and we co op that small truth and turn it into. I feel like crap because this my meatloaf does does not look like something. I'd put an instagram. There's the problem. The problem is is that Meatloaf is wonderful. Hand so is Richard Blazes Fancy pleading. Both both of those are wonderful and and we're missing that we are missing out on the joy that I think God wants us to have in food. So who else would you celebrate next to the celebrity chefs. When it comes to making a male who else would you go okay if I could have an entire instagram account just to celebrating people all who make a meal happen? Who else are you going to celebrate besides the richer blazes. Well listen anybody WHO's dealing. All are all of us and everybody yeah yeah. Yes the mom putting dinner on the table every day at six o'clock the dad putting dinner on the table every six and you know what. I'll tell you what it's not even the dinner on the table that if they go into the kitchen and spend an hour cooking it is also for you know the the mom or dad who works three jobs swings buying gets a rotisserie chicken and puts it out there it gets up the lettuce and you know and opens up a you know a can of corn and serves it to their family. Whatever it is the point is let's celebrate the food we eat ninety nine percent of the time not just the one percent of going and witnessing beautiful artistry which I Love I Love I love that artistry but that is not ninety percent or ninety night where it's not the majority of how we eat food and how we deal with food food and it is not the majority of how God relates to us through food so when we ignored food and God and we just say well. Let's let's just talk about food as art which is a valuable thing but it's not everything we're missing out on what God gave us food four right which is to bring us together to bring us closer to him to bring us into worthy work to bring us is into patients to invite us into all the yeah what on let me find that chapter 'cause you're right about that. I do yes rethinking quick. Quick tip recipe shortcuts invitation a patient so I'll tell people because I'm not GonNa make you talk about your own time but tasting grace each chapter is an invitation to something. It's it's a way food. Invites us in in one of the invitations you gave us was into patients right and we think of patients as being kind of like something. We don't want to be invited into you know like I don't WanNa wait eight guy but I want to do that right affect. Maybe I won't even read that chapter. com given that time say like never pray for patience because you you pray right but the good news is that we are invited into these things yeah like patients even the things we think we don't want because they actually do deliver. God's best for us said that crazy yes. I know you tell the story about Felipe and about Oh yeah living in France well I write about how living in France change the way I eat and and introduce this type eighty American corporate America personality that I am into chew a new way of thinking about food and and that happened both living in Paris where I worked and also than dating and eventually marrying Philippe from the south of France yet which takes French cuisine and French patients into a whole new level of of It's just it's just a whole level over over Paris and Phillipe's mom Ariel my mother-in-law she really introduced me into the patience of of food and introduced me into the patient's not willing sitting around the table which is part sort of that food conversation right either way sitting around the table has been the the bulk of the Christian conversation about food for a very long time right bring people around the table food brings people together and that is great but that is only part of of God's way of using food with us and that's that's that's why rotating grace's to explore explore that and other ways yeah but one of the gifts that I received from my mother-in-law was a lesson in and how to make a perfect radically ready to he is a a typical French or Mediterranean dish with vegetables that we sometimes making the US but apparently we make in the US all wrong and I didn't realize that until I until I had my lesson with with my French mother-in-law who's from the south of France and she told me that the secret to a good Ratatouille is that all of the vegetables must be cooked worked separately and then combined so that the flavors would each stand on their own steak so local salon and not only must they be cooked separately but in a specific order in order to build the flavors correctly because you're going to cut them separately but in the same pan by the way yes in the same pan yeah so you can't just get out a bunch of pants you got the same pan and I will. I'll tell you the order so and I remember it by calling calling it easy pot pot Ratatouille so it's eggplants Zucchini peppers onions tomatoes so that's the order Zucchini I think it's a keeney pepper pepper onions tomatoes and then you also had garlic just in case anyone's like reading a little olive oil. Maybe some time if you want. This is why why you're the chef. You're like all the time and I might tell me exactly. Yes yeah so that's not that wasn't a full recipe. That was just an acronym by her cookbook. You guys so so but to do that in order and to Ta- Cook each vegetable individually so it doesn't lose its place yes and the overall dish they're such beauty and mad isn't there yes is that we want to honor each ingredient that God gave us and and let it have its place and to build the flavors together and do them in order that takes an amount of patience. I didn't know that that I had and often it make the difference well so so I will tell you I had every intention of like moving it along when I made it myself and I will tell you I I make it always make it. I make it Muriel's way it's almost fifteen years or more than that. Guess fifteen years little longer but the point is do. I even WANNA find out. I don't know that so. I just make it. You know the question will get we do even after no can and we just slow down anyway like can we not all the time. I get it. Life's busy but can we find the worthiness and slowing down just a little bit to make each vegetable. have its place like can we do that. Maybe not all the time but sometimes and I think we can. That feels really good. I'm like Oh yeah. That's a really good correction. It doesn't matter if it tastes better what if we just slow down because it's right well and and and what if what if the food is meant to slowest down a little bit. Maybe we are supposed to Colette the Stew stew for a few hours. Maybe we are meant to wait for the Zucchini to grow into garden and you know may maybe we aren't meant to have peach pie in January. Maybe maybe we are getting God's best if we lean into the patients that his food is inviting us into is that I mean is that possible and I think it might be yeah. Ah I think seasonal eating is so challenging to figure out how how can we figure out how to do that really well. Well there's good news and seasonal eating for for most most of us who live in American shop a grocery store. What what is available abundantly tends to be what's in season and what's available abundantly is cheaper so the good news is seasonal eating is also going to save you money but it does mean that we can't show up at wherever we get our food with this list of but I must have this and we've got a lean a little bit into the ingredients and lean a little bit into God's abundance and this this a little bit gets at what I talk a little bit in tasting grace about switching posture from one of taking from our earth but one to one of receiving and when we are receiving the gifts from God instead instead of taking it just changes shifts our our thinking and shifts our hearts into a place of gratitude attitude and and I think that God's food system invites us into that in a little bit ignored it and sort of plowed through with our downloaded recipes a yet but I want to buy in today's the day I don't care season and that's that's taking instead of receiving receiving is really coming from a place of gratitude attitude yeah not from a place of entitlement yeah so that's really beautiful. That's a great thought that we're we get to receive your buying your groceries but when you walk through are you kind of a edge of the grocery store shopper absolutely listen edge of the grocery store and you're talking about how the fact that most most fresh ingredients are on the edge of the grocery store whereas more processed is in yeah. There's a whole chapter on processed foods. Asu and and to be clear my job is not to go out and Raga Finger in everyone's face in shame everyone into buying for sure not listen. If you want potato chips in your hamburger helper go for your yeah yeah. It's it's really a sense of considering how God is bringing us food food and stepping into that rather than us just mindlessly plowing forth with our own agenda and you know in an living this food narrative that has I think meandered so far away from what God intended food flaws it it feels it feels like it to me and and I mean that as a woman and I mean that as a grownup child of someone on food assistance and someone who works in the food business so I think plugged into what you're doing and I feel like we're pretty far from from the good news of Food Yeah. I'd love to talk for just a second about what freedom really looks like with food because I don't think freedom. AM is saying you can't eat processed foods and you have to say on the edge of the grocery store but freedom also isn't whatever you want whenever you want. It has to be more thoughtful than that. What what do you see as especially for people of faith. What does it look like to be free. When you're eating I love that because the the word freedom implies and I think rightfully so that there is such good news about food when we when we look at how God used food in the Bible the news is is all good. I mean really is so there. There is is freedom. It's not we're not. We're not the food police. The good news about food with God is that it's not a story of shame and guilt and so all all of these societal messages that are out there if we choose to look past them in dig into what God intended food to be. It's really welcoming and love filled place. You mentioned that it's it's not about us not not being able to ever have processed food or it's not about shaming using processed food because listen. Let's not I forget not everybody has easy access to fresh food farmers markets and I and whatever the truth of the matter is that if you have to have a certain income level or live in a certain part of this world or a country to to eat a certain way then that by definition is food elitism yeah right and that's food elitism is not as not part of God's story right God God isn't the source of shame and processed food in the when it started was to help us right to eat things that might not last as long I mean it was a it was a problem solver that well. That's right for processed food came in because we needed food to last longer we needed to feed more people and we also we were a weary tired bunch and someone is going to give us back a little bit of time. We'll great we can ban and I will have friends again. Yes yes now so there's good good hunch in and good stuff happening but as we tend to do in society we can take some of those good intentions and morph them into use some half truths and that we that we need to have that time back because we are going to do something valuable with it when most of us are actually using that for screen time. The truth of the matter is is that if you're using screen time for more than thirty minutes a day you have. That's what you've done with your time back from buying process. Oh boy that right I mean and and I'm saying this as somebody who does that too. That's just the reality so just because things start with good intentions doesn't mean that that's the way we're living with them now now and and we're without getting too far down that path of what are we doing to our earth and how are we. How are we managing aging creation care and what does that mean when we're trying to increase production and and you know stripping out the nutrients of the soil and putting things back? I mean so there's there are ways of going about increasing yield that are more honoring to God's creation and rabidly more receiving than taking yes more receiving than taking and less profit driven and less short-term thinking than long term thinking so there are lots of issues. Come up when we sort of talk about this this this topic but how were eating and the context in which we are eating. Let's just say the potato chips or you know Kane food or whatever you know all of that matters right and and do I think it can be just as much of a blessing to open up a can of corn as it is to go out into your backyard to the corn stalk. You grew yourself absolutely absolutely yeah. Absolutely God is so full of grace and beauty that we can receive in ingratitude even the simplest craziest most process what you all all of that can be a blessing so I I think it really comes down to us being discerning and mindful when we plow through our lives without stopping to think about how does God want us to receive food and what does that mean across the entire life cycle right from soil to you know to the growing the delivering to the recipes to the serving to the cooking the cleaning up after people leave like all of that. What does that mean. How do I behave across that food life cycle across food life cycle. I think we want to be mindful. An aware and looked to God is sort of say listen what what would not only please God but I'm hoping I'm being super clear about the message that how can we feel are best by getting God's best. This is all good news for us because we're drawn into God's odds lab were drawn into God's best. This isn't wagging finger. You should do this because if not doing something wrong no it's just saying and we are invited into. God's love and there's so much goodness and we're we're listening to messages that make just feel crummy and we don't have to feel crummy anymore. That's what the messages that's the joy. That's the grace that's in tasting grace. Is there so so much goodness that can come from food. Food is a gift from God and we're missing out a little bit I oh I think we're missing out and I think there's an invitation for us to draw in and and it's good news. It's not shame news. It's good news. Yes yes girl okay. Pass the plates. Everybody we're going to eat together. We're GONNA DO I love it and Melissa this book this week. It's coming out this. It comes out this week on Sir. I'm I'm really excited. When I first got the first box of books that came to the House I opened it up and I was teary eyed and I said to my husband. This is the book that no one asked me to rate and wow and that it no one God right now because this this is the book that was is in my heart that I thought I between you and me got a half to write. This was the book that I ended up finally just saying right at even benefits imperfect because every time I would hit turbulence on an airplane. I don't like to fly a great job for someone who doesn't like to fly every time I would hit turbulence in an airplane. I I always think about my kids like that's just remind goes yeah but I also started think I haven't read the book like I started having the sense of I can't. I I can't can't be done because I need to write the book and and that's when I thought okay out it doesn't have to be perfect I even thought it doesn't don't even have to be good. I just have to show up. I just have to show up to God's so this was the book that no one but God asked me to write so I'm I'm thankful it exists. I can't wait for everybody to get to read it and I actually next week. Leave on a tour called come to the table. We're one of the things we're talking about is was it look get everybody at the table and to feed them well and to just because she in community. This feels like a good theme for what's going on right now. Okay we have to ask you a question Yep. We already taken play of your time. Thank you by the way for doing this. Thank you perhaps your fan. I this has been like drinking from a fire hose that I've been dreaming of Vermeil though I am an as a person who loves food and wrestles with food and can hold both of those things at the same time tasting grace's a real gift so thank you thank you. I'm really really grateful. I'm okay the last question we always ask because the show's called that sounds fine mine was a tell me what you do for fun this. This one's easy a good. I love going to Broadway shows. Oh let's go tell me your favorite. Oh I well see that's. That's the tricky part all of them. You know it's not all of them. Okay but different shows for different things right different shows for different things but I'm going to New York daft tomorrow. Yeah were there for three days. actually two and a half days and we're seeing three shows. Yes yes what I do too so we're seeing mean girls. Yes we're seeing Hagerstown. Yes and then the third one. I haven't decided if I'M GONNA see deer Evan Hansen again we have decided. I haven't decided but I as you know one of our very best friend of the show is Glenda on in wicked didn't know that I love. What can I though if if you WanNa go see wicked oh I should just tell claire she would love to go. I well then to further down. Yes I've been I've seen it. I've seen it. I think four times okay well. My phone shows multiple. I love Broadway shows. Why tell me why for someone who hasn't seen what is the deal what you've never oh you don't wait West Okay okay. I'm Mike Wait No. I'm a disaster. I love so much. Here's here's why I love. I love Broadway shows and I love. I love the ballet too. I love live performance yeah I I grew up as a performer and there's nothing like stage and live performance because it is artistry in motion and watching the beauty of people with talent being willing to go go out there night after night and give you they're all yes. I as I'm saying this I can feel that I'm getting teary eyed I. I don't think yeah I've ever seen a live show that hasn't brought me to tears even small tears because the beauty of art and people with with bringing in what God gave them what they give you fit so generous. It's it's so generous so generous and to receive that generosity eighty most of my my friend. Gregory trico is in Hamilton and after I saw him I saw him as Ehrenberg. He plays a couple of different. Hey guys the first time I saw him as Aaron burrows like I trick Oh. I don't know how to tell you how generous that felt. If you gave me everything yeah it. Has I feel agenda Claire to you when she's Glenda. I just cry. I mean it's just it's incredible. The generosity yes blows my mind and I feel like I'm in the presence presence of something holy. Yeah I really do yes and girl. We could have a time in New York City. I I I will go anytime anywhere. I just was saying to my husband. Well I people in my instagram. They know that I consider myself someone who has really good Broadway Karma yeah like I just have really good Broadway and just was saying to my husband the other day that I realized I don't know that I have really good Broadway Karma as much as I will work every angle to go and see the shows that I wanna see. I think it's just good old fashioned hard work hard work but I'm willing to do it because I realized I will spend hours searching out and figuring out the best way and whatever and the dates in the what and I just I it's it's holy work for me. You know there's so how much holy work that just happens in food in Broadway in whatever we're doing. I used to work in finance and there's holy work in that. There's so much. Did you beauty out there. If we just look around at people who care a lot about the work they're doing and then they're doing it and that that's holy early girl yes. Is there anything we didn't talk about. You want no other than we're going to New York to go to all these shows yeah my friend Jonathan Merritt that lives up there. I mean we always try to see shows that we don't know because it's like I just want to. I want to see once I love and I wanna go back but then also like what's gadget that we don't know I know and I also. I don't like to read up on the show so that I don't know what they're all about. Yes I will say parenthetically I I would I will. I saw Hamilton twice for this very reason because I did not I mean obviously knew what it was about Hamilton but I would say that is one of the few shows I would say to people it's such Gotcha fire hose of artistry. Yes that if you can read up on it a little bit before that frees you up to enjoy and receive a a little bit better but that is the only show that I would say I think you will enjoy it more. If you've read up on it other than that I just WANNA show up and and I'm I am all yours. Yeah I am like I'm all yours. Dare Open up a candy around me because I will give like no I am. They're right therefore it. That's what it said. This started wicked. They say turn your phones off and unwrap your candidate rather like what yeah yes. Yes okay well if you want to get. I mean we'll talk. If you WANNA go to wicked the weekend we saw my gets do but you can for sure I would love to connect. You could most of the thank you for being on the show. I appreciate it so much. I can't wait for over friends to read tasting grace just experience it like I've gotten to so I'm so glad we finally met no real secret secret like fan girl anyway so mutual. Not You guys. Don't you love her. Oh my gosh I just feel like we just got the tip of the iceberg of the wisdom that lives in her. I'm just so grateful. Hey make sure sure you grab a copy of tasting grace today. It's out this week and you're probably going to see Melissa all over the place in the next couple of weeks. As this book comes out and you'd be like yeah we're with her. She was on on anti show so make sure you follow her on instagram twitter all the places until her thanks for being on the show and how much conversation matter to you also if you enjoyed this conversation with Melissa we have a couple of other Foodie centric. I think you'd really like Corey Barrett food network champion of the Spring Baking Championship it was on in June so you could go here that when we also have Margaret Feinberg this year you had a new book come out taste and see that her episode is excellent and of course there's episodes with my friend Daniel Walker who as you know I go on tour with next week the come to the table tour Danielle Angie and I head out on a bus a week from today really excited so if you love talking about food things those are some episodes of already got for you that I think you're really going to like and if you have other people in this genre that you'd love to see on the show just let me know of course already is coming up as you can imagine in the very near future. We've also always got space for new friends so if you think of other people you'd like to hear on the show go from food network or a favorite chef or someone in that genre. Just let me know we can always they can always say no right. 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"Hi this is Keri Ramona. California and I'm missing Barbara. Houston Board here for the really big barbecue show blowing. We Cook because we have to and we grill because we want to. Me Fine. Brick show. Boeing control. The problem here. Everybody in the in the crackle. Officer Sean Bono. What. Eight. Liberty. Shit. Work Right now. That, we are into the second hour. Welcome aboard. You found the barbecue central show. Happy to have you here once again. We're recording while we're doing it live, so you can get the show podcast fashion if you're missing librarians between nine and eleven every Tuesday night. As I had mentioned before I our goes up tomorrow early in the morning second hour on Thursday and the best of coming on Friday. Also I mentioned at the top of the first hour I am able to monitor the facebook chat and show your questions lie. Peers oxalate loop saying I want a barbecue central show t-shirt. Join the club. Where were you when the first round of shirts came out? Did I say that. I didn't sell shirts. That's chilled full. I had a two quad xl shirts leftover, but I think they are now packed and the one medium I gave to one of my daughter's boyfriends. I think or maybe one of her friends took it I forget. But I did have to. Quad xl when I originally put in the order for these t shirts when I went out to the N. B. A.. In. Fort Worth a couple years ago. I wanted to make sure that I was armed with the sizes that traditional barbecue dudes fit into which isn't the size that I fit into which is like large or sometimes sh- medium. I'm talking about extra-large large which is barbecue small, and then getting into double and triple and I did get maybe ten. Quad batch shirts. I did. They were going pretty quick handing amount to those you know what your size triple. What can I tell you? So? I wanted to make sure I was accommodating everybody. Dennis Bosso I'm a barbecue quad shirt. Dennis got one of the Barbecue quads. Gets everything. He is a barbecue Dennis Barbecue Hall of Famer in every sense actually. So he's one of the ones that got the quads. But that's all I had left. Nobody after I left. The show was really wanting those I said. Hey, you WANNA. Shirt I got I got QUAD XL, nope! You got anything smaller. It's excel or medium. Neither fit all right, so come on the show tonight. susie and todd bullock from hey girl. Hey, don't forget. You can follow me socially. At bbq central show on instagram twitter tick tock snappy snaps, slash Bq central show on facebook, which is where you can also find a live video feed on Tuesdays when the show is happening. Don't forget coming up this Friday the best moments of the Barbecue Central Show in ten minutes or last episode, one hundred and thirty one taking you back to July second, twenty, thirteen and a visit from I guess last week. Ted Reader. Who Doesn't Love Ted? During this visit back in two thousand thirteen, we talked about fourth of July food. How to party right because Ted knows how to partee. Many other items as well if this is your first introduction to Ted last week. And you liked it, make sure you get the best of show this Friday. If you did it like Ted last week. then. You really need to check out the best of this coming Friday because there must have been something wrong with you last week. Ted Never disappoints. He's a beauty. As a guest, and as someone who gives expert backyard, cooking, advice, few compare to Ted. Aman cooked a seven hundred pound hamburger with bond. He did world record. He owns a thing called hop demus prime. Which converted pumper fire truck. It's now a rolling party machine with kegs and grills and bar seeding. Hopped him as prime. Get it. Great, have you seen nothing? Google optimus Prime Kinda of mind bending. So. Make sure you're subscribe to. The podcast is the only way you can get show replays here if you missed the live show, and it's really the only way you can get the best of show because that's really the only podcast that I'm doing right now. As I've said many times, this is a live show that then turns into a podcast after time runs out on Tuesday. Scott written, Baugh. Something that I have long said. And I'm happy to put it up. The Quad xl can double as a nice grill cover. But I'm telling you right now. When I pulled out the quad xl. Out of the box that it came in. The material. Was a grievous. I felt bad for the person who had to put that together I mean that is a large amount of material quad xl. If, you're doing quad xl. We need to talk. We gotta get you on a treadmill. We got to get you on a better eating program I'm not trying to shame anybody here, but I'm really concerned for your health. If you are quite excel, and it's not registering your head that you might have a potential health issue down the road, Quad Excel. I mean hold aquatics L. up to a large like that should be the goal unless you're just muscular or a professional athletes. It's keeping in shape and your. Like the Rock, the Rock isn't going to wear a large shirt. He's so muscular. It does look like he's wearing a large shirt and you just trying to show off those guns. I mean it's got a hot bod. There's no doubt about. But in real life, aquatics L. is not something that you should be shooting for. So if you need some help with that, hit me up on the DM's or whatever I'll help you get right, help you get healthy. Put you on some plans. Let's do this. So there you go, that's what's coming up on the best of show. Now I don't know if you guys saw this or not. More than one hundred and fifteen thousand people signed a petition. To Rename Columbus Ohio Flavor town flavor. This coming digest this dot news that trusted online resource although I can confirm through local news reporting in real news reporting outlets like channel three five eight. This is a true story. Two weeks ago, the Mayor of Columbus Ohio Andrew Ginther announced that the city would remove the statue dedicated to Christopher Columbus outside of City Hall soon afterward, a petition on change dot. Org sought to change the official name of Columbus. Ohio to flavor town. So far more than one hundred fifteen thousand people have signed on easily reaching the minimum fifty thousand signatures required for the petition to be accepted for consideration at City Hall. Why Flavor town. You ask great question Celebrity Chef Guy Fioretti. Is a Columbus native and his fans. Call him the mayor of Flavor town. Plus the city is well known test market for new food products. So why not rename the city flavor town? The new name is twofold for one. It honors Central Ohio's proud heritage as culinary crossroads and one of the nation's largest test markets for the food industry, secondly chef liberty. which is chef and so you got chef? Liberty Guy Fioretti was born in Columbus, so naming the city in his honor of him. He's such a good dude. Really would be superior to its current nomenclature Fioretti. Himself has yet to publicly comment on the petition. Which begs the question? Why is guy not reacting to the to the petition asking to Rename Columbus Ohio Flavor town? Why because he thinks it's stupid. is they're not eight or fifty better names? That could come in place of Columbus. Before Flavor town. And it's two hours south of me. I've been through Columbus. Any number of times for any number of reasons work pleasure sports, all of the above none of the above, passing through flying over by jet airplane both commercial and private. I had no idea that Columbus was one of the largest test markets for food in or for for the food industry. I thought that was like Saint Louis in Atlanta. Somewhere in Canada. I didn't know that was Columbia. I had no idea likewise. That Guy Fieri was born in Columbus Ohio. Like was he born, and then immediately ushered the hell out of Columbus. Does anybody in Columbus even know that guy? He was born in Columbus. I. Don't think guys looking to have flavor town. Usurp Columbus for the State Capitals Nate. Because then the mayor of flavor town would indeed not be guy. Fieri Andrew. Are Not the. Guy You are now not the mayor of Flavor town. Andrew Ginther is. Sir Anyway that's getting on to a vote. Brian. Shank, how dare you you kidding me? Say that. It's a bad take. Andrew Ginther will be the mayor of Flavor town. Suzy, bullock and todd bullock are coming up. Let me tell you about pits and spits as we talked with Ryan. From the beginning. 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Whether you're a beginner, a professional definitely cooker. You want to add to the arsenal visit pit barrel cooker dot Com and make sure you tell them. Folks at the barbecues. Central Show has sent you their way. Scott written ball the barbecue. Hall of fame can now reside in Flavor Town Ohio noten. Can't. I won't let that happen. And by the way I don't think the American royal is going to let. The, the hall of fame come to Columbus Ohio, so it can reside and flavored. So, ridiculous. My guess in the second hour was on the food network this past weekend viewing the new show grill power. You saw her last year on Saint, channel while she competed in the flavors of Simon Barbecue master show, or she made it all the way to the end alongside Leeann whipping here, talking about the new show this past weekend. How it came about our to folks, make up. Hey, grill! Hey, we welcome back. Susan Bullock and first timer to the show. Todd Bull. Okay guys. All right well very excited to see you guys and chat with you both here and todd. You know Susie. You had mentioned it that you often give todd. A shot at getting on these kind of interviews, but He's not so much of a of an eager nancy to do that. Why is I don't know. Why is that I think he is kind of a supporting behind the scenes guy who likes to always be the one that's doing the work quietly dignified quiet type. I started dragging him into our youtube videos a little while ago, and he's been affectionately. Taste tests. Talk, so were starting to expose him more and more to the to the spotlight. A scared I'll say something stupid, so I just like to keep my mouth shut. That's fine. I spend two hours every Tuesday doing the same thing thinking. I'm going to say something stupid only for twelve years. So are you working out of your comfort zone, or are you finding it more and more comfortable? The more you get into? let's say definitely it's getting easier. I'm always fun outgoing behind the scenes, but as soon as I get behind a microphone or a camera, just like freeze. Just, not my forte. Is that something that you had to work out when you originally got into this to? A. Great Talker so good at talking. No problem I mean good at talking, but feeling comfortable, being interviewed or in front of a camera, certainly two different things I know a lot of great talkers, but when I've had them here is guests, and the light goes on. They become very different. They all of a sudden art, great talkers, and they're nervous and they starter, and it becomes very weird for me I get to pound them unmercifully after the fact, but there's a different. Level of consternation that happens when these kind of scenarios if you're not used to it. Don't ever have me on your loan. It'd be that that show. So this past, Saturday we grill power hit the food network screen exciting for sure, so, Suzy, let me ask you first. When does this opportunity I pop up? It's been a long. Time coming actually the first time that we started talking to food network about anything was almost three years ago and we actually filmed another pilot episode that never aired. And then barbecue happened and then real power king to be after barbecue brawl. So this is. I guess one of my thoughts was. You did so great on the barbecue brawl that they just needed to keep some kind of line into the hey girl. Hey, product. What's the best way to do that? Will then we'll have you know Suzanne. Todd do the show and we'll call it GRANDPA whatever, but this is something that was preceding the whole grow master type situation. I think real power. The show that we saw on. Saturday was definitely a result of barbecue brawl, but we've worked with food network on a couple of other projects. Before real power aired and before barbecue brawl even happened judge ultimate cook off. I've been on beep. Bobby Flay at this point I did barbecue brawl? I judged for another pilot of a show on food network. So it's been there's been a lot of things in the works and I've kind of said yesterday as many opportunities that the network as I could, and I think all of those things kind of steamrolled into what we were able to put out on savvy, so here's one thing that I've learned as I interview. Folks that do these kinds of shows for Food Network for instance I had diva Q.. On last year there was some kind of food network show. That was aired after the whole barbecue. Brawl the OH. Yeah That's right. That's right. forgiving, so I asked her when the next one was going to be, and she said Oh well. This was like a one off so to me. That means we're going to put it out. There and people are either GonNa like it or the nod, and whatever these benchmarks food network has is going to dictate whether or not there's GonNa be the next one, so let me ask you this. When I hit record on my Dvr for Grill Power I, didn't get the option that said record season, so am I to win for. This is also a one off or a test show to see how it works. We're a single episode special. So what does that mean like in real life I? Don't know what you're contractually allowed to talk about or not, but I would imagine everybody in the hey girl. Hey, space wants to see you every Saturday at ten thirty going forward here, but I mean how does that? How does that actually work out? I mean for us. That would be the dream to I mean making those shows is one of my favorite things. Just the entire production aspect of it is so incredibly fun the energy so high, and it is a great way to center day working to be honest with you. and so I'd love to keep making more already with the network on a lot of things. They loved to keep working with them. But? Yeah, I mean. It's one of those things that I. don't really get to say. Airing the show that I'm making now? So, yeah, we're GONNA. Happen. Say That So when you're doing this, todd and putting the show together. How much control does the company of Hey girl? Hey, have versus what the Food Network would like you to do from production standpoint. I think actually comes down more to the production company, so the network hires. Selects ideas for shows from production companies like different pitches, and then the production company does all the writing and editing and all of that, so it's definitely collaborator episode that aired on Saturday was actually within a week or two of my daughter's actual birthday was my actual family coming to celebrate as? When we were talking about what I wanted to make on the show I had my daughter in the room and I said. Hey, what would you want to eat your eleven birthday dinner and she picked the menu. So it's definitely like they're. They're elements that are going to be put together because anytime. You're creating production. That's not live. You're getting B roll, and you're getting different footage in. You are telling a story, but we were telling a story of a real event with a real menu, a real family. Based on the food that my daughter wanted to eat, so it was really to us. It was very genuine. I'm sure I'm not breaking news that you guys, but your eleven year old is kind of a meat snob and I love it. Want Tomahawks stakes. Yeah that's not good. Down Hens yet. She was so mad last night because we found some robot caps at Costco, and she was with her cousin and my sister-in-law, her dinner and she came home and she was like you didn't tell you wherever steak. She's very disappointed. Trust me I, get that, too. For some reason. I feel like my kids I have some other ones I got like one is going to be sophomore in college I got. Ones can be senior in highschool. One's GONNA. Be a freshman in high school. So you know the pallets starting to it sounds like your kids are starting to round out the palate, quite a young age, which is great to see, but mine are really starting to round out so I always get. Get asked this weird question of like we doing anything for dinner, and if I say no, then all of a sudden magically, everybody's got plans and boom. They're out well. I got wise to that so if we're really going to have something good, I just sandbag that stuff, but if somebody stays back, they get to enjoy the spoils of victory because they'll say oh too bad. You laughed because we. This or that? And then, of course we get from the other two. That might a laugh, but. Fun Game of like challenging your kids trying to figure out. Can I guilt them into staying home longer as they get older, it's weird. Just an incentive you're centralizing. Remember my parents do. So from the show standpoint. How long has this been in? The can ready to hit an open spot on food network. Me and we. Are Back in November, but it takes months of post production editing I think to get something that's ready air. From a raw standpoint, this is what I'm always interested in. You have a production crew show up. Is this just like a twenty four hour or two day event of just shooting and shooting shooting? And like how much raw footage do you have verses, the twenty two or twenty four minutes of finished product that we see on the television. We filmed over the course of three days. All cooking happened in one day, so the other two days were just you know be role of our town? The opening shots of our family around fire. Those little things were Shaw on additional days, which is normally wouldn't have our family dinner into dark, and then go in daytime and have a campfire. So those those things were kind of paste out. All of the cooking all the recording everything happened in one day. It was almost like real time for when I would be like baking a earlier in the day, and then the lead up to dinner, so that was pretty pretty real time. Susan Todd Bullock joining me here on the show from. Hey, girl! Hey! Talking about the show. That aired this past Saturday on the food network. Todd one, it's coming together if you can remove yourself and look at this from like normal human standpoint does it does doing this feel normal, or does it feel like you're doing TV show? it doesn't feel normal I spent I spent ninety nine percent of the time behind the scenes all the days they were all there and I just took pictures all the time because I just couldn't believe that this was happening. I could. Still it felt super fake, but it was way fun, and I can't believe it happened, and now even though it's actually happen, I'm still just kind of in awe and. Disbelief that happened, but I mean. It was incredible I loved every second of. Said I it felt normal until we all sat around the table and we were eating as a family like because at that moment we were all sitting there in the lights were above our heads, and it was just us we were talking and we were having dinner, and it was the most normal thing in the world, and the cameras were out of our minds, Lee worrying and thinking about them, and we really were just sitting down and enjoying the sued in that level of like. realness that's that's when it felt really real. Because we are on stuff all the time, so like anytime. You see stuff on youtube that worked for us. We get that I know how to cook in front of a camera. That's just that's just part of our our business in what we do. But, typically not with a goal production crew. Maybe we have an extra guy who him right kind of a situation. So just the amount of people that were working on, it was really. Different I feel your different. It was a higher level than what we're used to performing at actually got in trouble a couple times because I'm when we're filming at home, so used to like doing everything behind the scenes that like I got yelled at, and they're like just go away like you're the talent and I'm like well now. What can I do all move lights? What do you want me to do? They're like. Do I just go sit down. Suzy you've seen more and more television our. You've been a part of of of telling. So. How does this rate from being a judge or being a competitor? Where on the Barbecue? Grill power was like Dream Show. So being able to share how we eat as a family and share recipes with people that's like one of my core values. That's like my lovely sharing through the people and. What we say, Hey, girl! His goal is to help you make better barbecues. You can see the people you love and become a backyard barbecue hero and I felt like we were really able to deliver on those elements in the show. I heard comments from so many people that said you know. I never would have bought a Tomahawk at the store I would have been incredibly intimidated by cutting meat that was either that larger that expensive for that thick. But just seeing how approachable it wasn't that format really made. People feel more comfortable and more confident and more capable so that they could have special with their family so I say making grow power has definitely been my favorite thing of all the shows that I've done Barbecue was amazing, but also very terrifying in very high stress, and very like everything felt high stakes all the time, so I might have come home with like an ulcer or something just for strengthened like. It was, it was insane. It was such an intense show and then the other shows that I've judge are awesome, because a lot of the pressure off of the judges, and we just get to eat, enjoy the food and talk about the food, so they all kind of have their own little elements and firemen own little excitement in Awesomeness, but I would say for sure carols. Carols may favorite to make because it was just. It felt like it was us. It felt like it was a real true representation of who we are, and what we do, believe in it so I got a question coming in from a facebook watcher. Randy elder wants to know if there was enough food to feed everyone, or did the birthday girl day whole Tomahawk? Stay by yourself. The. With the two, a three inch thick, Tomahawk stakes we had between us with several kids in the Mexican feed everybody with the Do Tomahawks stakes that child legitimately took the whole steak and put it on her plate and went to town. The rest of us were left to divide one of the Tomahawks Luckily. We had a couple of backups from the filming process. Because when you're doing the magic of TV swaps, so we did have some extras that we can pass around slept. She sat at that table. Everything was done. Filming was wrapped. We were like great show. That was so fun a job, everybody. She's still sitting at a table along. Forecast knifing her Tomahawk steak and I feel like she didn't least a good seventy percent on that the one I I was really proud. What's a good appetite? Pick well? Happy Birthday to her no doubt. So you guys get a really prime spot behind the pioneer woman show on, Saturday. Is that something that? Maybe todd negotiates and said. Hey, you want a piece of our family in the hey, girl. Hey, landscape, we WANNA run up against the pioneer woman or follow pyner woman, or how does that work? Obviously seen my great communication skills here so. No, that's. I'm a tough nut to crack you. Know we don't have any say over that whatsoever. We completely loved out at at the hands of the food. Network God's on that one, so it an awesome time slot though it was super fun to Fowleri. So I think there's some consistency in feel to have you both. Fill that our so you have you know restart you. Guys are coming next. You know my personal view as watcher of the channel is that? Your show feels real. It feels authentic. And Pioneer woman is obviously a hit lots of women are in love with the show. My mom I think might be the biggest pioneer woman fan of them all Maybe I don't. Something just isn't like. Doesn't trip my trigger with her? And I don't know if it's like the demeanor a where she lives or that? Her husband's name is ladd. Was Food Network hoping for a similarity in some form or fashion with following your show or following your show with hers or now? That's not right falling her shore her. With her going. Going second. Holy Moly, todd I'm not a very good wordsmith either man. I'm going to get off camera. Or. Were they hoping for some kind of a change of pace between two shows? I think you know any show what we've learned. Is that any show or any piece of digital content does the best one? It's true to the person who is in it We did fell on earlier pilot in it. It wasn't a pilot that I necessarily felt like I was my dream show. Now's one that never aired and I think maybe that was one of the reasons for it, and so to be able to have a show that I'm really excited about and I'm really passionate about. I. Think that means more than you know necessarily what's to fit exactly into the lineup? And that's what TV shows are constantly being tested. Right networks are constantly testing new shows in different timeslots is because. You know they need to see what hits and went in with their audience, and maybe their audience is a little bit different than my audience on media, and you know I have to trust that they know their audience best because that's that's their business and I know my audience on social, really really well, 'cause. That's my business. But to be able to make a show that I feel really comfortable with and really confident making and really excited to share with people that makes a huge difference. And you know we started with grilling, but my hope is really to make barbecue a little bit more mainstream in a little bit less intimidating in you know. We started off with a bang with those. but yeah I. Do you know some more smoking and grilling barbecue stuff as we as we move forward so over last handful today's Ben. A lot of running into people on the street, giving you their Tomahawk War, stories or trading Red Velvet secret recipes. Now. What we've been. You know we're still quarantining a little bit. Much any way. You can only see this of Murphy. So. It's kind of like disguise. So might not be a bad thing, right? All the social media love porn and then Sangley. Awesome so many positive feedback homes, and so much support it's been it's been awesome to read. Yeah, that's definitely where we've seen I. Think the biggest amount of engagement has been on social media. People commenting that they watched and you know we have a surprising number of people comment and say I was just watching the pioneer woman this morning, and then your show came on, and I was so excited to see something new that I stayed and I'm a new fan and maybe. They weren't somebody that if followed me before familiar with our brand before, but had an opportunity to be exposed to who we are, and what we do wanted to join us for our. You Know Digital Social Media Party, so we might not be bumping into people in person, but I feel like we're really. Able to communicate with a lot more people on social and. Share that fun. Whereas let's get down to brass tacks here any feedback from food network. It did great. Tanked! We're ready to sign you up for fifteen year contract every day of the week like a rare type deal I mean. Where are we at? I think it'll be a wild till we hear anything. Lovable dvr stuff and it takes a little bit to get all the ratings compile data sorted through I. Have No idea what to expect to be honest with you like I'm. I'm good because we made the show that we wanted to make in. We're hopeful for more, but we had such a great time making it in. We really loved the show that we put out, so we're just happy with what we were able to do in. We'll see what happens, but todd did who TV ratings over the weekend. We haven't heard anything, but we. The ratings were good breeding. We were I think number. Thirteen for original cable shows on Saturday. Todd. Don't lie like I know you WANNA. How many times did you watch? No more than five hundred. This guy number one fan. That's great restraint, isn't that. Yes of course, I'll be watching it all the watch. The twice myself live when it happened, and then I actually went back to take notes, so we could. I interview so I watched. You know almost half as much as todd did over here. Matches. Part was in A. Great advice so all right, can I put you on hold for one second? And then we'll come back and ask for our I have a question about red velvet cake, and then we'll. We'll talk about some other items as well we're talking with todd. Suzy bullock from Hey, girl. Hey, and we'll be right back with them. Talk quickly about. The Barbecue, Guru. Makers of automatic temperature control devices. They're the guys that started it all way back when you know originally when Fred Perko started this company. He was roundly pooh-poohed by all those people on the Barbara how. Now Look of. Creating a piece of technology that most people are down with now. 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My Dad got his red velvet cake recipe from apparently some guy that used to teach on local TV back in the eighties seventies eighties. and. You know kind of adapted over the years to what he liked in you know, put his own unique spin on things. And then I took it even a step, further and kind of adapted a little bit further and Todd's grandma also had a red velvet cake. So we got together, I lived in a small town. My family lived in the same area, so my grandma would have everyone over and we do. Family dinners once a month for all the birthdays in that month, and my mom's was in February, and it was Valentine's Day so red velvet cake was my mom's favorite, so like that was just kind of our February family traditions like and I loved it I. Beat Myself Sick on Red Velvet cake, but I don't think I don't think it's the true. Red Velvet cake doesn't have food coloring. I think they're supposed to be some natural occurring something or others now the turns the. Interest? Todd, you're wrong stuff. Oh no no comeback. Into! But it's not like a rhetoric. Cherry flavored cake. It's buttermilk with cocoa powder in it. So it's a really nice soft crime, and it's the velvets referring to kind of like the texture of the cake because it doesn't have a big airy pockets in it. It's kind of more dense. Soften in the frostings very, and the frosting is very smith to and recently cream cheese frosting is kinda became the frosting. Red Velvet cakes the typical frosting that goes onto it. But both of us growing up had the same type of frosting. It's called an ermine frosting, and it's flour, milk and sugar that are cooked together to create this paste, and the nets whipped into butter. That makes really fluffy and Silky and smooth. So it's. It's interesting that I, not any other families growing up the hat red velvet. Take all the time, and I don't think todd did either when we got together, both of us having that in our family history kind of solidified advil dictate is our. Cake of choice for family celebrations because we both have such fond memories of growing up with a lot of nostalgia, is there a yearly Red Velvet Cake Cook off the takes place within the bullock household to see who the reigning champion will be for that year. No we haven't done it yearly. She start the. Tip. Acre in our family so I think he baked a couple of red velvet cakes I. Big to couple Red Velvet cakes and Grandma and he likes his better. I baked my dad that I like my dad's better. So since I was one baking, the cake on the show was my dad's. Right well I, mean that only makes sense. Well! Try Red Velvet Cake I. Mean I'm not a big like sweet guy? Anyway means you know in many different respects, not a big guy, but especially eating sweets I'm not a huge sweet guy I mean. Is it sweet sweet, or what are we talking about? I mean talk. It's not like when I eat cream cheese frosting. It makes me late. Pucker up sweet. Definitely Cross. It's it's heavy. It's butter, but it's not I. Don't think it's overly sweet. It's a really good chocolate. He flavor not an oversweet frosting and you. Can Love me back out of the minutia here just for a second and I want to ask question from a different angle here, so you know easily you guys are one of the biggest live fire personality website the whole landscape out there you have social media. The FAN base product sponsorships continues to grow. So is doing a TV show something that is cool for you to do because. I could make an argument that you certainly don't need to do a TV show that you could continue to focus on the niche that you've built into a wildly successful business on many different facets and not even need to mess with TV at all. I'll take them I look I've so. We Watch the Food Network. When we were dating when we first started dating, none of us had neither of US had cable growing up. We just had our local like five channels, or whatever, so when she got an apartment in college, and we started dating, they had cable at the apartment had the food network, and we just started watching it and found that we enjoyed it, so our history dates back when we were dating was really loving, the food network, and when she first started doing local TV spots. She just shine in front of the camera and she loved doing it I could. Could see I could fill. Everyone could feel it, and she just said I. I love this I wanNA. Do this. I'm going to have my own food network show someday in those words were said, and so as thing is time on our business was getting successful I was of the opinion that we were having called with production companies, and we're going to get the show, and it's going to make our business huge, and it's going to be incredible but then that never like the one pilot didn't air, and then it was three four years, and that was never really happening in our, but our business was just like. Growing like crazy, so I started to see that our business didn't need the show, and so when the opportunity came around for her, and they called and said what show do you WanNa make? And she pitched her dream show, and they picked it up like at that point, it became a passion project. It was less about anything else other than just I wanna do this to like inspire people and to help people literally like Phil comfortable and learn to cook better food around the fire. So. That's my view on definitely especially, this outgrowth Howard show became something that I wanted to do, and then I, was excited to do, and you know after doing a couple of shows with the food network and you know filling all of our own staff. Nothing matches the energy that I get on production days There's just something about you know a bunch of people in a room working really hard to make something great and everybody kind of feels that same energy and it's it's addictive. Man. I Love I. Love Making those shows so. That's why I keep saying yes to stuff, because you're right like our business is awesome in. We are so lucky and blessed to have so many people that support us in and cheer is on whether it's through joining the membership platform Bro Squad learning about barbecue online whether superstar products, patio, provision, or through checking out the rest of these on. Hey, girl, hey, dot, com, like we have a lot of support our business as a lot of facets in we work really hard. To continue to grow our presence online, so yeah, food network for us is definitely just something that I want to do because I love it. When they come to you, are you I don't know how this works because I would imagine if. If you're a certain status like if they come to Michael, Simon or bobby flay, and they want to do. I'm sure there aren't a contract to. I'm sure there's some of negotiation that happens. Do you guys. Talk about compensation here for the show, or is it compensation that you're going to be on the TV and the name gets out there. The brand gets expose, or you get introduced to. That might not have seen you like you had mentioned. How does that work? I mean even. Even apply to be on. Another competition show. And there are definitely talent fees. Regardless of you know who you are. There's talent these because anytime. You're leaving your home or your family. You're working like you are working, and you know you talk a lot about sponsorships. There are a lot of brands that do love to just pay exposure to their audience, or they left to send you a bag of. Seasoning charcoal, or whatever is compensation for your time and sharing your social channel, but. What we have experienced TV's that work gets compensated in. You know I can't speak for everybody out if that's the case for everybody all the time, but for me whether it's for sponsorship, or whether it's for TV, show or whatever the case may be, we do like to work on good faith for people, but if I'm GONNA be leaving my family to be taking time away from you know the brand we built in the business that we bill in our fans are followers in. There's going to be compensation because it's our job. This is our business. Soothing Todd. Bullock joining me here on the show. Hey, grill, hey, dot, com, the website of course and all over social media. Tell let me ask you a question because you know this is your first time on the show and we kind of did a little dance with Susie. The last time about how this whole thing got started transitioning from doing recipe development for a pellet cooker company, and you're working in the CPA and really everybody folds into this payroll. Hey, company, and now it's many different credible memory manage. Oh, yeah, well, it's my job to be prophetic so I'll try and maintain that as much as possible. I'll slip up at some point. I swear to God so you. How was it like for you and I got suzy's take on it the first time she was on? But what's it like for you to see your wife? Having the success I get a little back story here more than I had the first. The fact that you guys were watching Food Network TV. Is You're starting to date? And so obviously? There's a kindred spirit of food love of food and production, and all this other stuff, and she verbalize to you that she wants to make this happen at some point so great to have goals, but maybe it's like well I. Mean doesn't everybody WanNa be on food network for sure. So as you see this starting to really take shape and. You're a CPA imagine you're probably pretty successful and the conversations of. What's it? GonNa take to pull you out of that and come into this fulltime. Where now we're both in. Hey, girl, Hey! What did that feel like for you? As you see it becoming a reality? I gotTa admit it I when she brought it up is a possibility. I was I was supportive but doubtful. Is, that a good way to put a? Had A CPA hat on, so he was saying more than like suzy token. He was seeing the dollars incentive support mortgage you got a family got real life. Shit Yeah. So but she expressed it as A. Like whatever you believe in. If she put it out there in the universe and said I want to happen I'm going to do whatever it takes to make it happen She saw that I wasn't really happy. In my job because I kinda got. What's the word pigeon. Into what I was doing because I switch degrees for marketing to accounting I was in college, and I just got out into the accounting world than it was great I got my CPA license, which was a huge thing for media thought I was stupid, apparently wasn't. and it was it was rewarding to do something that was regarded as difficult in in society, being an accountant and haven't been CPA's deemed is pretty difficult, so that felt good to just Kinda do those things that I just wasn't happy like it was. There was just felt like I was going nowhere and then she Very creative in accounting pretty structured so just living up straight fit so I wanted to save him I think. So she I started working with her when she said she said she wanted to start filming videos. So I learned everything there was to learn about adobe premiere, pro and editing videos, and I just jumped in and helped Dow, and as I as I got more involved I started to see kind of the more structure of it all and how it could work out, and then as our video started getting some facebook traction and our website traffic up, we started seeing the dollar signs tick up and Iran, some projections and in January of one year and it was twenty seventeen. She said you're going to quit your job this year and it was by June. The I had I talked to my boss, and it was the CFO. The company and I said Hey I think I'm GonNa do this, and so we decided like a six month transition period so I could train my replacement. But, yeah, just like I just did it one day without even telling her I just told my CFO launched. I'm like. I think I'm going to do it and he's like do it burn the ships? He said Burnell Shifts. Some some old explore like he's. Not that he wanted to get rid of me, he was trying to like. He could see what was happening and he was. He was trying to be helpful. But yes. I called her after that lunch appointment I'm like quit my job. She thought I meant like to. Immediately. Right now, but no did he ended up quitting his job in December of two thousand seventeen, so yeah, and then that timeframe like she was making really good money, and we had dual income, so we saved up a bunch of money so that we could survive and jump in and do it and we needed it because by April he was looking for jobs laws that. I mean that's so. It's gotTa be difficult. Right I mean it is a completely non traditional business relationship that you guys have you go from having a traditional one of you having a traditional job and one of you being really good at this niche, and all of a sudden it blossoms into something that generates a real ass full time income so much so that it can perhaps support the. The, both of you so now somebody and it's you were maybe in a bad spot. Todd wasn't like you. Know terrible for you to leave, but you still have to suck it up a little bit and go. Oh, my God. We're really GONNA. Roll the dice here and jumping together. I think it probably helps that you're a numbers guy and you're probably doing a lot of financial assessments and. Kind of realizing where your risk is really at and where you might be able to recoup in certain places but Manta to have you guys just do it and you know a a year plus later it's still on the upward trend here is is quite remarkable and Susie. Did say that she really enjoys working with you and that's the other unique thing with this. This whole You have a unique partnership in that. You are partners in life. You have kids. You have family, home and regular life stuff, and then you, then you turn right around Oh. Here's your business partners working together like all the time so that there must be a true love, and and like of each other to want to be around each other this much. Absolutely it's. It's funny where we're sitting right now is kind of like. Where deemed my office where I come in and? Just before the thing, I had a pilot receipts that I had to move out of the way because it was in the way that I haven't filed away. We'll just be sitting here and we just kind of flawlessly transitioned between business and family discussions like it's kind of and we've involved the kids and a lot of stuff. not to the point where like Megan them work or anything just here. They're just kinda fun. Little things like moving boxes of barbecue sauce into the truck. Whatever but. I I. Don't know it's just it was a really. It was a little difficult at first, but it really was a flawless transition because we just have so we really do incredible relationship, and so we work really well together, and we got to the point where she's running the blog. I'm running the cheese on the website and I'm running the product company and there's a lot of crossover that we're working on together, and it just works out remains. It's awesome I love. Do the kids realize how big of a deal Mama's. CARE, do not six year old watching the premiere and comes barrel and up the stairs. How many play outside? You're on TV on TV Cameron on board like he just doesn't so no I. You know our kids. It's kind of funny I. Think we could the point where they just don't really remember anything. Different you know. Our youngest was four and talk with his job or all this was nine, so they have some recollection of him like leaving to go to work and then coming home around dinner time. A majority of the recollection will just be US home together and this being our business so I don't think they I think they care in their own little ways like OAS on through. Cool, but like they don't think we're cool and they don't care about us at all, and it's great because I topping operate the same way. We don't think of ourselves as a big deal and you say that we're like big names barbecue, but I asked todd after the aretha posted different. please. No! We just we operate the same way that we've always operated answered the when they come in, and you can send me an email already back. We really like. We really operate the same way that we always have in our relationship advantage to stay really great in our relationship with our kids is awesome. You know we have a lot of extended family. We Love, and so I dunno not much has changed for us, and I don't think it has for kids, either I think that shows in both higher coming off on television, and when you're doing interviews, and how you do your production stuff, mean it's very down to Earth approachable and relatable, which I think is very important, probably why you have the success that you're having right now. Fourth of July is coming up this weekend last question before. I let you go and I appreciate the super amount of time that you spent here this evening. What's on the menu at the household? Fourth of July? So we tend to go pretty traditional burgers and hotdogs for the past couple of years we've done like a pancake breakfast on the flat top, and then you know play outside in the water all day in the evening we keep it pretty simple with burgers and hotdogs. I just put out. A close by saying actually with all the burgers. We have on our site in there. Some really really good ones on there. A few awesome Burger. Inspiration I'm a brisket she gives she's GonNa Cook Burs. I'm gonNA smoke a brisk. It's a real man right there. susie smoking a brisk love. Everything you know. Of course you did absolutely. Todd and suzy bullet joining me here on the show. Hey, girl, hey, dot, com, the website find on social media as well. Guys really appreciate all the time this evening. Great Stories and great insight onto the TV show which I certainly appreciate continued success and we'll do it again. You got there. They are the dynamic duo of barbecue and grilling. Todd and suzy bullock from. Hey, girl, Hey! Man. They have A. Great following. I gotTA. Make sure that I stop this. Otherwise we're going to be in trouble. I did see this pop up while we were talking about red velvet cake. This is a good idea by the way from Scott Red Velvet cake throwdown with bobby flay. Let's go suzy market down. Call your friends. Food, network, and make sure that. They. Put together a red velvet cake throwdown. Try Red Velvet Cake Olsen who knew no idea. Thanks again to Susan Todd from. Hey, girl, Hey! Hey, girl, hey dot com. Also they do have a paying. Member shift the called the Grill Squad I. Don't know if that's open for enrollment. I meant to ask that. But we get caught up in a bunch of great conversation. So I just go to their website. The grill squads that's under your into you get access to a whole bunch oof secret stuff that nonpaying members don't get to see benefit there. We'll talk to you quickly about Green Mountain grills before we wrap it up here this evening. Some of the best pellet cookers out there on the market today you have two lines to choose from a choice line a prime line choice. If you're looking to save a couple blocks, or maybe you're somebody that's not into all the bells and whistles of technology into why find turtle meat probes choice line is the one for you. 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002 - Katherine Prescott - Multimodal Use Cases

Future Ear Radio

16:44 min | 10 months ago

002 - Katherine Prescott - Multimodal Use Cases

"Hi I'm your host Dave camp and this is future ear radio each episode. We're breaking out one new thing one cool new findings that's happening in the world of the World Voice Technology Power these worlds starting to intersect the second hour these worlds collide. What cool things are gonNA come from this intersection of technology without further ADO? Let's get on with the show all right so we're joined here today with Kathryn. Prescott Catherine was on the last episode. And so this is a part two. Were kind of building on the conversation that we had for those. That didn't listen to the last episode. Just a quick recap of Catherine is. Catheter is the founder and editor of Voice Bro. which is a daily email newsletter That helps people to get the most out of Alexa. I believe you started back in January and since then you've grown to like thirty thousand email subscribers which is pretty insane In just yesterday you announced that you have an Alexa skill to so if you go to the Alexis Steele store in you. Search voice brew You'll find her Alexa skill. There again kind of getting the most out of your Alexa exit device Through her tips of the day and stuff like that so Katherine Welcome back and I just want to jump right into this So last time we spoke we talked about the canals report. This explosion in multi modal and Sort of the implications that are derived from that this idea of like now that you have a screen With these devices. How does this change the whole dynamic and I know that we both have a lot of thoughts on some of the ways that this might evolve? But let's start with where we left off. which is this idea of the chicken and the egg right? It's like if we have you know Only so many devices that have this multi modal screen on them. Is there a lot out of incentive yet for developers to start really building true multi modal experiences. So I'll kick it over to you and let you just kind of build on that awesome Thanks Dave and very excited to be here to continue the conversation so what you just said is exactly right. I think ultimately Amazon is clearly clearly focused on creating high-quality multi-modal experiences for all of the new owners of all these multi-modal devices that were sold in Q.. Three and Amazon wants that multi modal experience to be really good also to draw more people to buy multimodal multimodal devices. And you might be questioning right now will wire they so focused on multi-modal devices and I think that the reason is that they believe that when Alexa can show you things and tell you things users can have a much higher quality experience so clearly Amazon Amazon right now is trying to encourage the skill developer skill creator community to develop multimodal skills through various area competitions. And things like that. But the challenges as you alluded you dave that if you're a skill developer it's GonNa take you you know a bunch more time time and resources to build an Alexa skill. That's optimized for the echo show and when not that many people have the echo. Show your questioning whether it makes sense to make that investment And so what we're starting to see. Is that Amazon Zahn. Not surprisingly is taking things into their own hands. Yeah no I agree. I think you're right. I mean I think that this is like let's let's start with the you know from this notion of Amazon taking it into their own hands. I think one of the most interesting things that has come about recently in the whole Alexis. Fear is is this whole new partnership that they have with discovery who's the parent company of the Food Network and so they've created this new partnership which is going to enable a APP that's available on mobile phones as well but it's really catered to The ECO the echo show devices the multi modal Amazon Echo devices and You know so this food network kitchen. That's what it's called. I think is really interesting interesting. Because it sort of blends all the unique things of a smart display In it it's sort of leverages them all together in a really interesting way so for those that don't know this is basically a service that's going to enable like on demand cookie so you can think of like Rachel Ray or Bobby Flay They would be he sort of presenting almost like Peleton type experience. Where you get these on demand cooking shows where you follow along so you you would probably have to have all the all the necessary ingredients in tools for the prep but like it's like okay? Let's get started so we're going to start by you know quartering ordering the the pork shoulder. Something like that and I think this is just fascinating because it allows for you to view things in real time but also viewed videos so that you can imagine like for me. I'm not like the greatest cook so it would be super helpful to literally you know. It's like taking the recipe book and an electrifying. It and and all the best as possible so that you can literally watch editorial voice enabled because again. Your hands are occupied so you can say stop you know like A. Ah What rewind what it what they do there you can ask questions pertinent to the information in the video. Wait Wedding Graham is supposed to be using here So I think like this is one of those moments in my is where we really are starting to see a ha. So that's where this is going right like we can use your voice voice. It's on demand. It's playing video for you. You kind of think about that in your like wait. That really doesn't exist like I can't do that with my phone. Really and let alone. Why would I have you know my my and my pocket Or my phone might be charging in my bedroom and so like this stationary device. That's in the kitchen. That specifically typically geared around applications in the kitchen that have video I finger really really interesting absolutely. I agree with everything that you just said Dave and you know just to sort of really hit the nail on the head. I think that this type of experience makes a ton of sense for the echo show and smart displays blaze in general because there is such a deep fit between Multi Modal Voice I TAC and the content being delivered in this case cooking content and said differently. It's a lot better when you get recipe instructions that you can interact with with your voice. seve videos read see and hear the recipe steps. Get Shopping Lips. Shopping lists delivered on command. That's a really really cool feature of this food network kitchen that people don't talk a ton of that is way better as you said Dave than just reading a recipe on on your ipad or a laptop and just You know to follow this. You know you're also seeing you know it's logical that a focus is on content for the kitchen. This makes a lot of sense because so many people keep their echoed devices in the kitchen and but this does seem to be part of a trend. We saw you know much more recently. Another announcement of a partnership with tasty to make their recipes available. The Al Aqsa on the echo showers. Well I love that and I think like you. You said something there. That really caught my attention which is like the recipe book right so where this really shines is when it's performing like three jobs to be done it once right so like if I'm cooking a meal I need to I. I need to have the recipe of what I need to use to cook it and then I might need a video to show me actually how to write and so because this device can do all in one like one of the really cool things about food number kitchen and is that you can ask questions and rather than like stopping the video if you say like how many pounds of chicken do I need. It will actually just do you know for certain queries. It's is GonNa just do like a little pop up display that will say like two pounds and so it's fusing together all of these different disparate things that you ultimately really we need as a novice cook like myself to cook a good meal you know like just like you said and and it really plays Amazons grand plan you know especially as they have of like their retail grocery offering. You can imagine where it's just like all right. I'm looking at the things that are available to cook on food network kitchen. I want this and I want this this week. Boom I get those delivered to me all the ingredients that I need necessary and then I'm ready to go whether I'm watching in real time with bobby flay which which is like hilarious to me. Or if I'm watching a recorded video of Martha Stewart you know what I mean like. I just think this is such interesting way to finally start. Start to fuse together. Everything that makes both a voice assistant and a smart boy so unique all in one absolutely dosso great for a recipe discovery. That's another one of those jobs to be done to. I totally agree. So is there any. I mean. Obviously we talk about use use case after case that we see but I think this is a really good example of how this kind of changes the dynamic and I think the other thing that this helps to do. Is that chicken and the egg thing that you made mention of you. You know it's like Amazon starts to take some of these things into their own hands. What it will maybe do is it will encourage more people to buy the echo show five which will then then create more incentive You know what I mean to for the developers to then start to develop multi modal skills. Because they know they're like well there's a ton of echo show five being built into the kitchen and just like you said with like the tasty thing it's like I wouldn't be surprised if we see more and more of the you know very cooking Centra tre kitchen centric APPS if you will or just services Starting to think about this a little bit different and I think that it it's it's really amplified in its accelerated by what Amazon has done definitely. And you know I think it's just to sort of You know wrap this up in a bow. I really do think that the usefulness of the echo show five and now the new ACA show eight which recently the amount which is a an eight inch echo smart display. I think it's priced at about one hundred thirty dollars so bit more expensive and the acquis show five at ninety dollars colors but a lot less expensive than the echo show second generation which is still very much the premium device. That's at two hundred thirty dollars but You know in order for people to really buy these devices. The the experiences need to be really good and this type of it's exciting to see this type of investment by Amazon to make the multi modal experience really high quality. It's also a good template for others to follow in terms of creating multi-modal optimized voice experiences and you've seen them do this on the device side you know when when the they came out with the you know Alexa microwave wave you know the sort of line about it was look. This is a way for them to show device makers how they could incorporate Alexa into a A A device like a kitchen device like a microwave in some ways you know this food network. Kitchen integration is. It's like saying to the whole skilled developer community like look. Here's here's a great example of what a high quality multi-modal scale looks like yet totally and I think like in the essence of time. We don't need to go into all the different scenarios in which you can envision this. I think we could have a full conversation around. I have an echo five in my office and I think like what facebook portal displayed. A little bit is like this idea of chat video chat that's really On demand so we could have a whole conversation around like you know basically having especially like bigger organizations rather than always having to like go and have a conference meeting if you could. If you're on a team of four or five you could literally just have a quick chat through that device and again it's like Whoa. You could just send a skype meeting or zoom meeting. And it's like but this is so effortless you just I started meeting. You know what I mean like in. That's where I think this is getting at is. It's not necessarily to say that like I could do all this like the whole food network kitchen. Maybe aside from the on-demand Dan stuff But I could. I could pull up youtube video and I could watch how to do this. And I could pull up a recipe book but again it's like when you start to combine these things altogether gather and add elements into each so that when you're watching a video you can ask a question about the ingredients. That's where this dynamic really starts to to to take on a whole new wife and be something that we really haven't seen before absolutely and I do think that you know it's always fun to talk about and I particularly enjoy our conversations on these kinds of topics Dave but you no longer term. How does multi-modal changed? Things What what do do you think I mean? I think that as we've mentioned you know throughout these two episodes like I think adding screen just like you said what it starts to was. It changes the way that people think about these things because it really is a voice I vice as opposed to a voice only device. What you start to do is it? It adds to this effect of people getting conditioned conditioned to just think differently about how they communicate with their device like. I can't tell you how many times since I've been using my echo show five for the past year that now with my phone it really is. It's the breaking solid training wheel thing where you start to think like why AM I. Why my retrieving the information? That way I use Google on my phone all the time with my voice and I just search through the voice searching and it's just that I think that's all a byproduct of this like being conditioned over time with using either voice only devices or voice. I I devices. Were you start to look at every device as of waste of ice. Definitely you know one area that you know I you know one of my one of my favorite use cases. This is for Alexa. And I've definitely said this before is buying stuff on Amazon. I buy everything on Amazon with Alexa in. I find it to be such a time saver. You know I have had an echo shows second generation for a long time In my kitchen. And so that's certainly made things easier and I really believe if that you know as smart display proliferation ticks up an and more people. Have you know the echo shows of the world that we could see a really. Big Big uptick in voice commerce You know the big difference between a smart display and a smart speaker when it comes to buying things is that smart displays. Let consumers browse products. They WANNA buy whereas smart speaker. You know you gotTA listen to Alexa. Read out product details on a few different things things and nobody wants to do that. So you know. I think there's a world where you know every ecommerce site you know. We'll need to develop an Alexa skill for but the new ACA show if they want to capture some piece of this coming voice commerce wave. It's so funny like you know we to to the audience now like like we Initially sort of just when we came together and said. Hey let's do a podcast together. I was like. Let's do two episodes one on multi modal on them. We're Kinda like build on that talk about some of the use cases in literally non thinking. Let's do a third episode on Voice Commerce. Because you're so right and I think that multi modal is going. I remember this was a a big part of the reason why I believe you. I self and some others were really bullish on artist blazes. I think it really does serve as a catalyst to voice commerce. So we'll wrap for today But I think you know we might have another discussion here shortly. around this idea of multimodal invoice commerce. So thank you all for tuning in and we'll chat with you next time cheers. Thanks for tuning in today. 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2020 Voice AI Predictions Part 2 on Voice App Architecture with Kelvie, McElreath and Ream - Voicebot Podcast Ep 131

The Voicebot Podcast

1:01:12 hr | 9 months ago

2020 Voice AI Predictions Part 2 on Voice App Architecture with Kelvie, McElreath and Ream - Voicebot Podcast Ep 131

"This is episode one thirty one. The voice by podcast. Today we have part two of our twenty twenty prediction shows and we go deep voice APP architecture. John Kelly of spoken Tim. Mockery of discovery and food network and brand ream from voice flow way in and how voice APP Development and functionality are about to change hello voice about nation as promise. Today I have part two of our twenty twenty prediction shows. You can read about more than one hundred predictions from forty-six voice leaders and our annual right up and voiced by DOT AI. Subscribers divorced insider answered the call predictions incense they represent many of these savviest S. people in the industry we recommendations that are broad deep and just plain interesting. That's also by the way a good description of voice insider. It's where you go to get the story behind the story that will never make it into the verge techcrunch most of it never even heads voiced by that. Ai Because it is information that's of interest more for people inside the industry than casual readers. You can check that out at voiced by forward slash insider voiced by data ai forward slash insider. And when you subscribe you get access to all of the previous voice insiders as well with a catalogue of almost seventy or make might be seventy now that you can check out. And there's a lot of useful information that's never been published okay. Today we'd take a deep dive into multiple conversations about voice APP architecture this is important because it determines how developed for voice and what governs user experience. I've three guests today. That will break down for you. What they expect to change in twenty twenty John Calvin from Spokane joins us from Peru and marks a return to the podcast to talk about how domains and will replace voice apps? He's filed by Tim mcilree from Discovery and Food Network who discusses his prediction about the application of Alexa skills and assistant agents. I am sure you're going to like this. Because we also conclude with a conversation with voice. Flows Brayden ream to finish up our series. That brings you insights from voice. Ai Leaders in six countries and four continents Brayden talks about the rise of intent. List voice happened what that means for voice commerce user experience without further ado. Let's get started. I up John. Calvin wouldn't be right. Now is John on Kelvin founder and CEO spoken. He was also my guest way. Back and episode six in fifty five in the voice podcast archives so definitely check those apt to see the evolution of spoken over the years but today we're talking about predictions. Welcome back John Kelly will. It's great to be here in two thousand twenty you It is exciting to be twenty twenty. It is the year when we should have perfect vision about what's happening in the future and your prediction for twenty twenty is that we will see more domain the main centric development models in the coming year. What do you mean by that? How's it different from what we're accustomed to today? So that's a great place to start first of all. I think it's good. Clarify the terminology and what I mean by domain would that it's it's kind of a terminal art with an eye. I refers to a collection of related queries and commands over an area of knowledge or expertise of system. As that's that's that's sort of the technical definition that I'm working from the significant thing is. What are the differences between a demand and a NAP because I think most of us have been thinking about things in terms apps apps voice and apps try new platforms and really? We're seeing now that you know there's an emergence of a new paradigm for him and the key distinctions are really the functional boundaries of domain are defined by the user functional boundaries. The use cases your users. I get to decide what they get to decide what the queries and commands. Are you as a domain provider. You get to decide how well reportedly you. You didn't serve those commands inquiries so it's quite different from the APP where you can sort of narrowly defined what you do and then provided to users and they they they may like it or not here if you WANNA do well. You're really going to have to make sure that you're fitting when users or so. I think this is like a product model John on so this idea that When you're developing an APP you have this idea of certain features and functions that you want to put out to for the world but those features and functions might be part of a of a complete activity or experience at a consumer wants to experience and so like the whole product? Then would be extending beyond the few features that you would normally developing an APP and thinking in the orientation of the consumer around like what are all the things they're doing around that activity and then you have to somehow figure out how to fulfil all of those needs that a good way to think about it. That sounds like a great way to think about it. I'm not super familiar with the whole product model. I think I've heard that term before but I. I think that that does fit it pretty well. Oh okay so this domain specific situation I think you lay out in your blog posts which is expertly written. I will put it in the show notes. The people can check that out. But this idea that in the world that we've come up with as a developer you define what the experience will be in the future future As we move to this domain centric the user defines. What should be what you just said? But what does that really mean like. How do I know what the consumer is going to do? Not How. How do I build to that or I think as you leaving to? I'm only building part of it after figure out of pull everything together. Well I think in terms employee everything together. That's that's really where you look to the platforms to do that. They're really responsible. I think for the whole product experience but for you as a provider. Ah think another important distinction here between an avenue domain. If you're thinking about this is how does it actually get in stand shared it on so typically. We're talking about invocation if you're looking enough voice experience watching an APP on a mobile phone but daddy here is that the way these experiences are launched is not done explicitly people. We're not asking for you as a third party instead. They're finding you buy some sort of implicit behavior on the part of the platform or on the acquire some explicit Frence set by the US early on so those things when you think that you're giving to users. It's really very different. It's not outlay ker coming to you with the home screen instead. They're being brought to your experience by necklace form. So you really need to be thinking about so how you get to be at the top of that list. That's a really big challenge. And you know I think there's Several different aspects to it. But it really does start to look like something similar to us right and Seo with this idea of deep links as opposed to homepage. Latch can't exactly exactly doesn't this commodities the third party developers. I didn't think that it's very. They can be a very scary model for third parties to down. It's not going to be clear. How do you have an assurance that you're gonna be able to play well all of the universe but that doesn't mean that there's not a lot for third parties to do? There's an immense amount to do one analogy alleged that I like a lot and you and I have discussed before the idea is argue building apps or you building content and one thing about being domain provider is it's not the juror like a mobile APP Nile. Less it's more like your video content on Youtube now. I know it's not just simple content and maybe quite interactive have. You still have a big role to play as a content provider new tube. You still have a distinct persona. It's just to the user. It's all being hosted and managed. There's by Youtube so that distinction about Cruz actually doing this sort of software. That seems cool. But you're seeing varying born player as a third third party So I do think people have a big role to play But in order to get comfortable with it because it isn't very new model you know. I think that there needs to be more clear boundaries. More clear rules of herself on platforms. So I think that that there's some insanity for people to play in this and I don't WanNa lose that point point about rules and boundaries because we should come back to that but I think there's some incentive for people to play in this if their model is I'm going to provide this type of service and that service will be invoked by the different types voice assistance and I'm going to be sort of this back end fulfillment so I can see. Some people would build a business around that but that would suggest that the people who are like big brands who want to have their own channels on youtube or something like that. Don't get that type of experience because people aren't going to them directly they don't have this idea of like who. Where am I going even if even if the platform say? Hey that's provided to you by a third party here. It's really not the the same as having someone develop affinity towards what you're doing and really developed that rich robust deep experience that we've seen let's say in the mobile APP world. Yes that's that is one way that it could go pick on a specific example. Let's think about a weather experience experience. So there's default information that you get from Amazon around weather and that's from any users that's great but then and You have third party experiences. Such as provided by Steve Archive. Big Sky Skill right and if Thatcher to fall weather experience you can get a lot more information you can get a different persona you can really become wedded to that. It's just you know this key. Distinction is you're not constantly asking for it by name And that's really something in one of my main points to this. That sort of to me makes this whole model. Evitable is you relying too much on people's Memories People's memories are terrible and that's that's why the whole third indication model is essentially broken so much of the conversation on discoveries broken on so you can still have that rich grade experience behind the first Arne intent between behind the top tiny which are not specifically ratzinger third party but you easily get wedded to that and I think for the platforms. They have a lot of incentives to try to. WED people to that because they want their parties on these and they want people to have great experiences cases and they do not have the time and the resources to really build out every every single domain and that can be true of a massive domain like whether or recipes or controlling your TV or a relatively minor domain. Like information about a new Nike. Thank you I think all those really relevant concerns. It's it is a really different orientation but I think you know if you're not sure about what I'm saying just you know maybe you don't use your own memory. Overestimate their own. Use The memory of the people around Roger. How much do you trust them to really specifically champions very specific implications? It's not. It's not really going to happen. So then outcomes from that yeah. I think that's fair. Still question that the memory issue is is a bit of a is a bit of a problem. We've talks about that. You and I have talked about talked on the podcast with other people about you know the mobile APP screen is your memory right. You only really need to know at once and then over the as you habituate to pressing that icon. It's indelibly part of your memory. We don't have that type of visual aid or other types of aid to to remember things I just. I think this is. This is a really interesting point. And we're seeing that so we think about Alexa conversations which was announced June of last year. It really speaks to this type of model we think about sound hound. Has This model. We think about bixby in many ways has this model in each of those cases though. The third party is really subordinated to the first party and that's different than the mobile APP model. I think we all agree to it and I just wonder if the incentives they are big enough though for people to play like. There's people who are going to WanNa be tooling and just provide the service and that's going to be their business and so that that's one one thing but then everybody else who already has a brand or wants to build their own audience. It seems like Fairly risky proposition for them to get involved with they might just be spending their time time to make the platforms more more powerful at their own. Expense Yeah I didn't think that emphasizes the need for some sort of rules all is to make people feel comfortable with that that they're not just you know a you know something that's on the pathway to overall victory for the the overall platform you know in a warm up until they can absorb the functionality But I I do think that ways in which this can play out you know on the big scale for something that's a substantial domain. I do think people can build out very specific experiences I think something like what food network is doing where they have obviously a lot of just sort of a recipe type content than also they build it into richer multi-modal experiences this is like with the food network kitchen. I think those point to how you can become really indispensable but then on a small level and look I mean. There's somebody who provides I think technology I I tend to perceive to stuff a little bit cynically but the Seo aspect is it's something that I think is going to be important for people that are trying to bring new people onto the platform and it really is wrong. I mean if you accept the idea that you don't get back to how the top level intent you're gonNA be in an Seo battle and as many people out with lace if you're talking about filming for an overall query there's basically just one you know. I mean maybe if you want to it lists the top one and then it says if you want to hear more options you can be option two or three but you really. If you're not top one are going to be punished even more so than with typical web search. I mean that's I mean people are have been making. Hey with that sort of frightening concept around voice us yo for some time and I think it just becomes even more of a reality for folks folks and so they need to build out what I sorta labeled micro domains it becomes even more important on and there's also I think there's some more interesting stats on this morning around voice search. I mean it's just GonNa keep going and you know people people need to be positioned for it so that with these other things how works out. How exactly all the mechanics were Accounta- platforms these rules out there? I'm intimating Alaba but what's here today is where you position with those searches and you may already be falling behind and that I think could be the hook that that keeps these people really interested. Yeah and there's a difference between intent fulfillment and actually voice experience in. Maybe what you're talking about is the the way to explain to people how this is going to play out. Because if it's just pure intent fulfillment The domain is what is usually require fire to fulfil the intent. And maybe that is where the first party is preeminent but the third party services are still required and so one example. I can think got his travel so we certainly have aggregated and travel and maybe some of those are well-known Expedia Kayak but. I'm not sure that the loyalty is really high among those necessarily early whereas people are more loyalty maybe to Marriott or Hilton or Or some other third party but they might not want to just call in them for to To plan a trip and so in this case what you were talking about was contact this a different type of content because I think it was more transactional services and The top level domain Alexa Google could then reach into Hilton and Marriott. And and United American Eric All at once and know the preferences and fulfil the travel planning needs As opposed like you know thinking about this in terms of the experience. It's like what's the Hilton Experience Invoice. Do People really want to do that. Because they're not thinking. I need a hotel. They're thinking I need to do a trip. Yes yeah I mean. I think that's an excellent point and you're even getting it. I mean something I've left out of my predictions is that to some extent. People May to start really early marrying. API's and pure content into these platforms and I think-i stuff going on with Amazon and Google. That really make that more of a possibility. What do you mean by that? You like my my skill or my action is really just rich content and it's not really about the experiences about getting the first parties too deep Lincoln to the pullback content out well I think a natural model long-term voice do you really need to build a skill our specific voice experience at all or do you just need to train the platforms to absorb your API and your existing content and Sandra. I think that a long term vision that that's really all that's necessary and then we'll also speak to these questions maybe sprinkle some the persona on top of that or some personality top of that. That's that's really what the laundry experience is going to be. The is figure out how to actually surface all that content consume it but you need to make it readily veil on. That's thinking further. Had I do think that that's very much aligned with the domain centric model. They want to new Amazon and Google Google Forever Amazon more recently. They want to absorb all the world's knowledge and one way to absorb it is through all these rich. API's API's people out. Yeah absolutely okay. So what are the rules that need to be in place to make third parties comfortable that they'll have a future in this type of model I think for one thing. There needs to be explicit preferences. It doesn't need to be all done at setup because there's you know there's a vast number of domains and you don't want to beat people up making them choose something for all them That I think for example all the Samsung Model I think is a nice one. I mean I think in general Samsung Spears sort of burden by having several different paradigm incorporating the room it's a cleaner limitation. So if you enable the capsule that also then becomes the default servicer for what they refer to as an category right. But I would say it's pretty much synonymous with a main ground. Yes and another model is the music providers Amazon. And it's you know they're they're sorta compatible if you enable several different music services you can then go and choose it a fall so building on those two ideas. Yes I think you can get your explicit user preferences which I think are really important and that right there. It's people on asking for my name is actually even better than not so people move in a way. Here's what you can see. It's it's different than mobile but that doesn't mean it's worse if you're the one and only out opt for that capability basically. That's a good position to be in and that's where you can be better than home screen. I look at a lot of people's phone home screens. And they're so maybe relying on the member there so I think that that's that's one particular thing going beyond beyond that I think the algorithms need to be far more transparent. I'm not describing things that are completely new. You have this already Ah with implicit implications on Google with Cantrell Phil requests on Amazon talking to people who bill for voice. No one really understands how they work I think that the platform providers a wage comparable to saying the algorithm is magical super intelligent. And don't don't worry it's GonNa come to the correct conclusion even if that were true. It doesn't build confidence so I think being. I don't think these are state secrets. I think they can be far more explicit about the outcome and then I think finally last adjuster and this was. They should be explicit for specific instances. Assist around what happened so just as important as a general idea around what happened with an hour though is what happened actually lead it to come to you and so to say say this. Is You know such explaining your work for how they decided yours was the experience to be chosen on one hand. It's it's maybe a little difficult will to see that happening and people actually put that information out there but it really solves another big problem today. which is that? It's our were Communist. which is in its way to pay so I need all those things would make people comfortable and really helped to give legs to this model uh-huh much better. I believe forever okay. I think it's I think it's air position to be and there's some smart people you know you think about the Bixby expe- team you think about The Saudi team I mean they they have really approached it from this perspective and I like that idea that it comes from the customer our perspective. So that's demand-side defines the experience in the boundaries of the experience. You know the practical matter I do. I do expect this to be challenging from the supply side to make sure that people will play. I think we're starting to see a little bit of that. People are in and this is where we talk about customer assistance. Dentsu people are saying. Hey I can draw some boundaries around this I can create some of these great voice experiences but I can actually own the relationship and we'll see but I your point is a great one. This idea whether it's bixby. You can set your default or whether it's even series shortcuts which will actually recommend some things to you. Sometimes based on your behavior Djelic said it a fall on an apple That could be more powerful than the icon on the on the home screen. Because it's just part of your life before that though it's not about like putting out your your APP or your domain your skill or whatever we're GONNA call it before that you still have to spend our time getting people to know who you are why you're valuable you why you get trial and then hopefully the third apart or the first party or referred to you and you'll be used that as a funnel as well so between those two things could be really powerful. I just assume that there will be very few slots in these domains. It'll it'll be available for victory. I think that's all turtle and I'm glad that you mentioned custom voice assistance. I do think that that's what this model to some extent is competing against against 'cause if you want control if you WANNA feel safe. That seems like a better strategy. I am more bearish on that which I also kind of point out on my blog post I justify that bearishness. It's not that I. I'm not sure what's going to happen with that but I think overall it's worse for users and so if you're Amazon Google and apple and you want to have great platforms and great third parties on those platforms and most importantly great experiences for a user's make people feel comfortable with this model so they all turn to building their own voice assistance and shopping them in mobile APPs which doesn't work great for anyone but makes them feel like they're not giving up. You know the keys to the kingdom really well said John Calvi focusing on domain centric development lament for twenty twenty. Thanks so much for spend some time today and sharing the thoughts voiced by audience. It's absolutely measurement Alexa skills as a concept concept borrowed from the Mobile APP Paradigm. And I think of this APP model is maybe this cube or physics voice today. It's applying a model that we know is Consumers Sumer and developers and using it to make this new platform more familiar. It's not necessarily the best approach for new platform Amazon adopted it and Google and Samsung followed. Allowed Tim mcilwraith. Discovery Yank is would meet today to discuss his twenty twenty voice industry prediction that the New Year will bring quote the nation of Alexa Skills and assistant agents. I'm looking forward to having this conversation. Tim Welcome back to the voice about podcast neighbor. Great to be here okay. So many of you may remember my interview with Tim two years ago next month. So it's been a while that was voiced podcast episode twenty eight that that is more than one hundred episodes ago so it's great to have you back with US Tim. It's great to be back. Yeah it's it's been it's been a journey since then as for for it for us both for sure. So why don't you take a moment to remind the listeners of what you do and how discovery and food network have been pioneers invoice right. So I'm director of the technology. Emerging Platforms for discovery. Discovery was formerly a while. Food Network was formerly part of the scripts network interactive and was acquired by discovery About a year and a half ago and style were now in the discovery family and we have a separate direct to consumer organization to provide digital experiences for all of our brands about what we've been focused on for the last year or so is a food network and a product. We've just launched in October called food network kitchen which hybrid Free Tier ad-supported and subscription product for culinary entertainment and education. Right and that was. I think I announced at the Amazon Alexa. That September correct. That's correct so Dave Dave limp at the at the event announced never kitchen. Because it's a partnership we've been doing with Amazon for For the last year and he had a bobby flay Talking about some of the liven on-demand cooking classes that are available right now to subscribers. That was is a great video by the way so I was there and it's actually very hard when you're at that event because so many things happen at wants I think they did something like eighty announcements buried in that our and and probably forty minutes this year so that was one of the things that definitely stood out. Was that bobby flay concept in this idea of having real interactivity through voice experience and that's one of the things trying to lean into through never kitchen idea idea interactivity One of the aspects that were event we are delivering on not only the Alexa Platform Echo show but across cross all of our other platforms IOS android and Fire TV soon to be apple. TV and Roku as well is it to take live live cooking classes to have live cooking demonstrations that are not only You know lean back or in a one way but to actually provide provide the ability to ask questions of the presenter life and get responses back so on our mobile and connected TV platforms arms. You can actually ask a question while the demonstrations going on in a moderator will forward it to the talent and that talent or respond back if something that we're we're looking very intensely at at trying to provide abide that experience on hands free voice. I devices as well because you can imagine. If you're if you're taking a cooking class live you know you you're not gonNA be able to handle simply your phone in the moment to be able to ask a question you want to just be able to use your voice. Ask a question of of talent and get a response back. Yeah perfect ached application and really what I like about that is. It's one of the it's one of the features that is better in a voice experienced sure and it is and something else. We're not just repurposing something. We already had actually introducing sort of a new and better way to do it right. Exactly okay. Great let's get your prediction. What what does the application mean? And why is it going to emerge in twenty twenty. Okay so this is something that we did some deep thinking about. When we're developing food network we have a a large number of new content types that we're trying to deliver on the Alexa Platform? We have the on demand video classes which are which your step by step tutorials we have the live streaming glasses which includes the alive schedules and associated recipes. We have episodic TV content and then we have our recipe. I am video recipe content. So if you were to. Our original approach was to try to build an Alexa skill for that would mimic the functionality optionality of the APP on an android and it became quickly apparent that that would be if first of all the the the the size of the skill would be way too unwieldly. I mean if you could imagine the size of a single language model that could handle all this content types. The second second issue is is that you lose out some of the first party platform access to data We also WANNA be able to give customers. The ability to search from from from the first party platform are episodic. Content are are recipes are how to videos and if it's all contained taint in a third party APP and we have to rely on things like can't fulfil in tents or in a marketing discover ability to go into that into the APP. It's it's really not a natural fit so early on in this process We did a pivot with Amazon to create what kind of a hybrid model where we ingest a lot of our data to Amazon directly including our recipes are cooking classes and then develop platform platform templates to deliver those those content types so if you go to an echo device you look cooking class you can just you know say. Find me cooking classes by Bobby. Flay and he'll get will get the carousel of upcoming classes. You can search for recipes. We've also developed a video. uh-huh skill for episodic TV content much like NBC Universal. Or lose or a to be just released one which is kind of a natural fit for delivering doing that sort of content So what we found is that what really I think is the future for mixed mixed content type in especially large brands that need to deliver. Different sorts of sub domains of experience is to build an application. That has a high level orchestrator. Something that can editorial editorially curate. You're content and then delegate down to different subsets of experiences like video episode of TV or recipe appear where they had their own sub language model. Some of them provided by Amazon. Some of them or Created by the grant itself so this is kind of the model where looking to go towards You know Ford sample for our live streaming. We know we have have if you if you go to a echo showed ice you ask for live cooking classes. You'll see our schedule and that will Let you go to a class. That may be the in progress to a landing screen. That'll give you a countdown. That's if you think about that. It's is not specific to a cooking experience. We could use that same template for sports or live entertainment events as well so I feel like what we're working with Amazon to do is how do we take certain basic content types and build out capabilities at the platform level that allow L. I party access. And then how do we. How do we build tools that can hook back into the brands? Capabilities for things. Like entitlements or so content aggregation or building custom collections. Okay so you've said a lot of things here so this application model seems for you who seems have multiple levels so one is that first party positioning Y as a content provider which not everybody has access to you have to be pretty big. Well respected Brand or very unique to get that The second thing you're talking about is this idea of an orchestrator raider and then I third. I think you might be talking about something that would be similar to the idea of Alexa custom tasks. But why don't we step step back and say like how does the orchestrator manifest itself is it really just The the NFL you arbitrator to determine where requests go and how they're fulfilled. Well if you think about what the natural entry points to skills would be I think when you when you talk about You know a application. That is a significant scope You really want to separate. The functions is out into sub domains that can be handled independently. So you don't necessarily want those built into a single skill for example you'd Wanna be able to go into a recipe search independently of episode search. So you don't necessarily want a single language or a single intent model an orchestrator would be able to say if I want. Go into food network kitchen that that top level orchestration skill would handle intense about routing routing towards specific content types. So you know it handle queries about you. Know what's the recipe of the day or find me. You know the. What's new with Bobby Flay where could give you collections around classes episodes and then when you select a particular type of content within delegate down to vs K.? Or a first party recipe search or a a a different skill. That would handle things like you know. you know cooking classes are online help so you refer to. The orchestrator is a skill. I was thinking it was really more the front end of the issue. So you're saying there's a skill all of it. The orchestrator is an or the orchestrator in every skill I think there would be a type of skill that has the ability to delegate. Now now this is. We're in very early days about thinking about this because this is something that really does not exist are what we've managed. What we've managed is to build out for launch is a separate domains of functionality? But there is no you know capability in the Alexa Platform. Right now how to you know really delegate down to either I party or additional third party skills. I mean skill connectors have just started out but they really weren't flexible enough for the scope of what we were trying to do. So I think one of the interesting things kitchens we really kind of bumped up against the edges of what the Alexa Platform could do. Four single you know the set of features a brand and where you're going to be spending twenty twenty working with Amazon to figure out how to solve these problems because another interesting listing problem we have with our content is it's all connected to each other are episodic. TV contents connected to recipes. Recipes are connected to how how to videos. Classes and live classes are connected to recipes and they're all connected by Meta data like Cuisine and and talent excellent so one of the other challenges will be. How can we easily connect one content type to another so that I can be watching a class lassen just through midday to know that I can connect to a recipe or two or yes? Each experience might be a skill unto itself but it also needs to have aspects of these other content types services to meet all the needs of that experience sometimes right and and and and some of them may rely on on platform language models as well If you think about recipes search you know we spent a couple of years building out in a laboratory for doing multidimensional recipe search within our Alexis skill. And that's a tough have problem to solve and that's it's a very easy thing to get wrong And what I think the the the future may hold is that the platforms may have you know built in language models for doing things like schedule search or recipe search or other larger more complex domains. That can then be extended by individual brands with their own Meta data for say chef names or show names or specific ingredients or cuisines So for example if we do a search for recipes on on food network kitchen were really relying relying now on Amazon's ability to to surface that But with the filter our own brand so that if somebody's ladies going in style specifically look for Food Network kitchen there would say show me food never kitchen recipes and then any search on top of that is really leveraging Amazon's ability loyd filter filter down. Yeah you're pulling the first party language model into the skill. Yes yeah so let me just ask you a quick question about this because this this has come up and other conversations. I've had John Kelly and I talked about this that some length until This idea that if you don't have applications it actually might undermine undermine the safe harbor brands have on the platforms. And by that. I mean that if you have a skill then people invoke the skill they are affiliated with your brand and everything within that they know that it's part of your brand and your brand experience sort of controlled environment but you also have this this. Id that you get credit for it. Right is a brand as we get into the D. application where we have these things that are cross Gilgal completion like we had the Alexa conversations for stations announcement. Or some of these I party activities that you were talking about doesn't create this risks that the brands will be commoditised passed. It will definitely that risk You know whenever you're talking about you know taking large chunks of your your your your content and injecting into a first party platform there. Is this question of how much control do you have over that Ip Who who really benefit benefits from access to it from I party? And how can you manage that access so that it benefits your platform as a whole You know when we talk about food our kitchen on the Alexa Platform. It's not an isolation we're not building. Alexa skillets isolated from our mobile APPS or connected ATV we see it as all part of one continuous application to say you save a recipe on Alexa. You can you can view it on your fire. Fire TV so so the question is how does how does that really benefit the customer. Who is Subscribe to this this application across multiple platforms so the ability to say I see something on TV. And then I can walk over to. I can save their walk over to my kitchen and in view it on my echo. Show actually make the recipe hands-free It's really those customer journeys that were trying to Dec- we have the right fit is or what what will replace your existing ways of saving retreat in morals. Catta said you see yeah. This deal's advocation. Concept is necessary to support the the model or the mode of voice interaction. I I think it's an aspect it's going to be Necessary especially for larger brands who have mixed content types and WANNA put a more and more of their portfolio onto Platforms like Elixir. Assistant I still I don't see skills is going away because I still see the value in being able to build something self contained and be able to control troll it from both content and functionality Winston you but I think it's it's more like throwing more toys into the sandbox So that if your content provider who may have how to videos as well as episodic TV can I build. Can I build on that platform. Where can connect those connect those two different content types without having to rebuild? You know rebuild. The whole thing from scratch Cacao much of the first party platform can I leverage to deliver my content. And how can I build custom experiences to connect those things together. Perfect Tim Baccari. Thank you so much for sharing your predictions and your insights with voice podcast audience once again. All right thanks Brent rent. We'll see how it works out including your either way if you've ever built a voice APP you're familiar with with intense. These exist is both a concept in entity with an invoice APP development so an intent is literally what the user wants to accomplish. It's also oh defined element like Google actions for example and that defines how the voice APP is invoked and the steps it takes to fulfill the user need. Amazon has a similar but slightly more narrow definition regardless intense are integral to voice APP development. Today I guess brand ream CEO of voice flow suggests in his twenty twenty twenty predictions that this may be changing starting this year Brayden. Welcome back to the voice by podcast thanking me. Always a pleasure was pleasure to have you back axo just so listeners. Know Brayden was on episode one twelve. I'm sure you've listened to it. But if you haven't that's just a couple months back and You WanNa take a minute to update the listeners. What the latest from voice flow is since September? Sure yeah since September. We launched as if you don't know what voice lows in the first place Were occurred platform to design prototyping bill voice APPs without coding Since September we've launched a time to quit great it features we'd introduce new pricing relaunched real time collaboration which is fantastic teams. Were serving to build more team focused features and we'll be commenting soon and we also recently announced a new investment round led by the Alexa Fund. And I believe that was covered by voice spots spreading it was covered by voice body. I think we've covered a number of things by you this fall. You've been very busy. So thanks for the update. Okay you're twenty. Twenty prediction was I quote. Were going to see the rise of intent Lewis voice APP structures that will make transactional use cases like voice commerce far more effective. What is an intent? It lists voice APP Voice APP You're actually not a defining structure by this ridge intent system anymore and so you will still have Quote Unquote intense. The differences the conversational logic. A lot of that is the automated. And so it's more like a state machine so is actually like if you remember Actually I believe in that episode. We did together. I talked about situational design. which is this concept of Determining what what information you need to activate a particular intent on cases like ordering a coffee you know you need the type of coffee size coffee allocation of of that particular coffee shop and then you normally conversational designer with Program or the logic to be able to get all these at once. What intent Lewis Structures? Do you just sort of give Alexa or whether whatever the agent itself is sort of what the end protocol with the click so like this is the guy we on a hit and these are like the piece of information we need and then that's it so you don't have to tie together a whole bunch of intense The Dialogue Management is is essentially automated needed. And what's really interesting about the direction that an Alexa conversations and particularly wants to go is even some of the texts is generated for you So you are going to have your sample dialogue that you enter but then after that Alexa with actually generate some dialogue so really exciting Based off of the blog post the And sort of the demo. The showcases. Well that you're going to see the creation of voice apps be streamlined. Is You'RE GONNA have to write less conversational logic and just going to be able to input the final state without having to worry about so many different intensive of the place got so lexa conversations stations. You mentioned definitely has this concept of. I don't know if it's intent less but certainly less from an intense sampling Samsung Bixby also similar type of concept We've talked about that. Pass a difference in the past difference between imperative and declarative models for implementation. I got the the impression talking to row hit last summer. Preside from Amazon. This was gonNA take them a while to build out. You seem pretty optimistic that we're going going to see a significant number of domains covered by Alexa conversations. This year. Why is that Yeah I? I don't think it's going to happen in the first six months of the year but I think once it happens it'll happen relatively quickly. That's sort of our stance on her voice flow. I think the reason intense in that structure Campbell in the first place was more of a technical limitation And so now we've gone to the point where we can sort of a sidestep that limitation and so it makes. Let's go to the next forum. which is going to be In tennis and so I think when it's better form and I it would just be easier to create transactional skills Transactional skills sales are sort of going to be paramount to future voice APPs in general And I think you're going to see that the end of the year in terms of the timing I do think Alexa Conversation From the looks of their blog posts in what they've been saying. It looks like that should come into Beta relatively soon and then hopefully launched into production at some point this year and I think once it hits it will be You know they always have some great launch partners. I think hit relatively quickly all right so you have thousands of people developing on voice flow. Have you heard from that community. That people are excited about Alexa conversations. Or are they taking. I can wait and see approach. Yeah it's it's really a wait and see I think A Lotta people don't fully understand what the impact of it is gonNA A B Because I I do think you know you see this amazing demo where the demo of lexicon really focused on the passing of context between the different skills but the the thing that's interesting conversations. He has not only the context passing. But it's because you're using this I would define as an antenna structure. were Linda rephrase it's more of a standardized structure so maybe not perfectly intact but every voice APP is going to be very similar structure. Now this this allows the voice apps have inter connectivity without needing to explicitly. Connect them right. Because if you have a custom coated voice APP That's going to have. Its own unique shape and design and so that makes it hard for a voice assistant to be able to connect Of Voice ops. Unless there's an explicit connection but if they're all using the stain the same structure or at least you know very very similar. The assistant can seamlessly connected. Passed the context between these different voice apps without explicit connections being needed right So I think that that's that's what's GonNa be really exciting about it again in the voice. What community? We've you know we've got over twenty thousand folks now AETNA boat in our ecosystem and I think some of the more hardcore developers especially those who are interested in voice commerce super excited by In his I think When it comes to error states and all these different types of You know states that are not down the traditional happy path. It's just going to automate made a lot of that and that's going to be fantastic for developers. Okay so that's interesting because I wanted to follow up on that because you suggested that this was going to be more effective for voice voice commerce in it. Sounds like your thesis. There is voiced commerce is going to be difficult because there's all these potential air states which is essentially people asking for things in a way that the system can interpret it or an anticipated etc.. Is that what you're saying there. You think that that's fraught with potential problems. So that's one of the areas that will get the most benefit yeah like we have users on voice or successfully monetize in you is using ISP but Is Speaking to be a very tricky process. And I think It's a good indicator of what the similar problems are going to be like invoice commerce. I mean just think about. For example the amount of different era codes you can get for for uh-huh transaction right you can have not sufficient funds you can have incorrect education. You can have you know all countless different states in different combinations of these states. Where normally if you have to explicitly co these voice apps you have to be able to actually account for each one of these but if you're just using if it's SORTA automated dialogue according to a couple sample dialogues that is much much easier for the developer? It takes way a lot of the pain and I think that's going to ultimately ultimately help voice commerce Now the one caveat. I'm going to add really quickly. I do still think discovery is the key to really everything including monetization tation So I don't think any one particular Alexa future will solve voice commerce or anything else until Discovery Yourself But you know that's a whole other. We could do a whole podcast just on discovery while that's right and you did not make discovery a prediction this year. Probably because it won't be solved in this year. Well well I think you know you can put me on a rain check for twenty twenty one. Because I think when you think about discovery if you're Amazon you're you're right about quality control control because like you know there. There's really only two ways to discover. Things explicitly implicitly explicitly as the APP store and unless take a ton of screen devices get shipped. Maybe that's a row for discovery and they sort of do the APP store did with Iowa etc but I do find. That's a little unlikely if they're trying to push here's the voice I Approach to it. And so if that's not an avenue that sets going to pick up in the next year it Kinda has fallen implicit discovery and with implicit. Plus it you need a measure of quality control and I think that comes through more automation right taking some A little bit more of the the creative creative freedoms away from the developer which also decreases the error rates increases. Hopefully the APP quality and through some of that standardization. I think you might see through things like Alexa conversations stations. I think you might see more cantillon Adoption and more implicit discovery. So that might be my prediction for twenty twenty one. Okay Fair enough. Yeah discoveries. The bigger fish the FRIE- It's GonNa take a little bit longer. I think you hit an important point. Though about skill standardization I got from some Let's say sider hallway conversations. It Really Mars this idea that Alexa skills quality quality could only be assured to a certain level Through the process because they're really doing the functional test as opposed to really a quality tests and electrical conversations is probably the only way they'll be able to bring a lot of those skills up quality and a higher baseline standard awkward. Okay so I see that as is a really interesting point and just a just a quick follow up on the ISP. We're talking Alexa world here that's mostly solved by Alexis itself corrected like the developers don't really have to solve all those problems. Because of the way the system set up they well it depends if you're using the online tool but at least with voice slow you do have to define these error states No we do try to make as easy easiest possible But you know you still have to account for things such as you know if users cancelled or if the payment bounces like all these these different kinds of of states Would just be made a little bit less complex With with increase is Asian That's that's that's where my right my stance on on ISP. I I think it's doing. It's actually doing relatively well honestly when I thought when I saw that voice about article coming out I was fairly impressed with that. A number given that people in cooling the engagement on voice APPs. But now now you've customers were actually being able to start to generate income You know it's still a relatively smoker them but the fact that there are people who are making a living off voice absolute sister ecosystems a great sign. Yeah I think that's right it's just it's a small group and that story was really about Amazon. Not Meeting its own internal projections as so the whether they meet their internal projections or nod is a different story than whether people are actually buying things and there are people who are doing. Transactions through is P The numbers are not big yet. So so that they're not going to the tech giant's but maybe they're meaningful to developers and I think that's a really fair statement. Let me ask you just to see another question because we've been talking about Alexa. Land here This whole time I but there's another big player out there google. Do you expect them to enable something like an intent Lewis model going forward In Twenty Twenty 2021 some time in the future. I don't know it's an interesting question. I mean dialogue flow is one of the pioneers of the you know they were very big on the intensive awesome in and they certainly did Did a lot to further that system forward Social context and other other things so I think the short answer is. I don't know I think the long answer would be. I think Google has a really interesting opportunity that they have so many screen devices that you really see them. Making a push for Integrating Google assistant into as many of their Sort of core screen devices into into android into you Chrome cast These places I think they have so much to handle in that realm that I actually don't know if Moving into an intent Lewis structure his priority for them because Amazon's trying to win on the ecosystem right. That's sort of it. Seems like that's more of their approach whereas Google's focused a lot on in. I'm not I think they don't focus on their own ecosystem but I don't think it's as much of a priority because they've such fantastic tack and they're really trying to work that core core value prop and with that their push into into the rump screen. So I think all the different players are pushing in different directions I think slipped Siri shortcuts is doing is incredibly fascinating. I don't know if you've tried that APP of the suit shortcuts APP right. But they're integrating it right into irs and there's actually a large and vibrant community now rub shortcuts. I don't think many people are talking about Yeah the the ecosystems. It's going to be seeing go through twenty twenty yeah. Shortcuts is interesting because it essentially allows you to define how to invoke your own intents. It's and they'll actually do some recommendations which is which is a real application of Ai to monitor behavior and recommend different types of shortcuts shortcuts. That might be useful to. I think I think serious. Shortcuts is in some ways underrated in some ways. It's yeah it's in some ways it's like Appropriately related or a-rated because just so few people I think are using it. But there's some underlying structure there air that if they come out with a little bit more robust development environment for IOS developers to leverage. Siri going forward. That will actually be really useful tool. That will look differentiated. All the sudden. I I mean like when you think if you were apple frightened you have this massive you know arguably by far the number one Africa system at least in terms of brand and brand awareness and things like that It makes total sense that they're not gonNA go build a separate ecosystems just for Siri Right. They're going to try to integrate integrate Siri in integrate that into Iowa s and makes total sense. Especially when we're going towards a voice I world you have these millions. Millions of millions of phone APPs just help developers add voice into those existing obsolete. Don't recreate the wheel. Don't have to separate ops So I think it makes it. It makes a lot of sense with the doing. I think the fact that they actually put Su he showed cuts on the phone is super nifty. It has a bunch of amazing integrations could show the shortcuts And I think you're gonna see that pulse during acquisition. That happened last year. I two years ago now now. It's a year ago a year ago. December okay okay you yeah I it boys insider IRA go I think you're GonNa see that culturing acquisition of rear its head Sometime in twenty twenty on a You know what those folks working on whether it's You know we've been debating whether they're going to launch a specific. Id like development of our. I want to integrate Siri or whether they're going to do that with an x code Their their current Platform for for less. I don't know it's it's GonNa be really interesting to see how because it's it's taking completely different route. It looks more similar to Google than than Alexa. But I'd still still based on. Its own absolutely Apple is an interesting player. I do think that boys enabling mobile APPS will be a big thing. This year and apple certainly has a lot of advantages in that space so so much. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on intent. Lewis Voice Apps your prediction for twenty twenty heavy back towards the end of the year. We'll see if that actually happened. All right thanks Brad. Okay voice about listeners. That is all today. And All for twenty twenty prediction shows. Does I hope you enjoyed hearing from six different leaders in six countries on four continents with a global survey of what matters voice for Twenty twenty however these interviews just just scratched the surface of more than one hundred predictions across forty six. 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Network Execs In The Time of Covid-19: Courtney White & Jason Sarlanis

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Network Execs In The Time of Covid-19: Courtney White & Jason Sarlanis

"Hello Hello this is reality of reality. I'm Elise Roseanne. A longtime TV producer and development executive every week on the podcast. I talked to interesting. People in all aspects of UNSCRIPTED CONTENT. Today on the podcast. I'm talking to network executives in the time of Covert Nineteen. I spoke to producers. Now it's time to find out what the networks are saying. How are they handling the quarantine? All the production stop downs. And what are they looking to buy right now? What is the future even look like I up? Its Second Time. Guest on the podcast. Courtney white president of the food network followed by three time guest on the PODCAST JASON. Solana's he is the VP of development at TLC. Some here with courtney white too I originally chatted with I had to look today. It was August sixth. Two thousand eighteen. We did a deep dive with Courtney and her career today. It's going to be a little different. But Courtney that might have been the last time I saw you in person. I think so. It was real screen West. It was almost two years ago. How is that possible? I know it's hard to keep track of time especially now in quarantine but always now. We have an excuse. I guess exactly so you moved. You're in Knoxville. When I saw you. Are you still living in Knoxville? I forget yeah and I and I said in that Interview how is never going to move again? Now you're in Connecticut. I and I think it was mid renovation and what happened. What tends to happen is like as soon as I put the last nail into rennovation relocated. So that's what happened. I just you know I guess I just call it to myself that wise but do you box. Well I do you know. My kids are old enough now that they miss their friends in. Knoxville was just a great place to live Farm down there and so. That's what brought us to Connecticut. Is that we want to bring all of our farm animals so We found a little farm appear which is which is nice so it's backed up near family But we miss our friends down there a lot. I hear you. It's it's a transition I mean you're already in northeastern so it's not like yeah kind of transition but you had settled your life down there. You had your arm and your million animals. You guys down there yeah. I'm looking at him now. Actually at the window. I want to people want to see kind of like this fun. Voyeuristic look into people's lives that that's all we've been saying like. Oh what's what's on your bookcase or seeing. Somebody is like dog committed to frame. And you get to see all these all these little offices you never sought by Zaslov doing a weekly town hall and so he always starts at from his Home Office. So we're all like oiling. That must be modest little shack. That Home Office his Home Office to see a little corner like we know that we're only world is seeing some of it. Yeah that is the fun part about seeing the celebrities. Instagram's in everything. Even though sometimes it can be annoying. It's also very fun voyeurism. Yes it is. I'm always looking at their cabinets or they're nice. Fridges are taking notes. Yep Are you cooking speaking of cabinets and food network. Yeah I mean we've always cooked now. Friday nights were doing pizza And sometimes will order once a week from like a local restaurant Frog for dinner but otherwise for cooking a ton and were baking a ton which we've always done but now it's like big time so I feel like it's my job. Yeah I saw something posted on. I think it's King Arthur flower that they sold more in three weeks in March than they did all of or maybe even a week in March than all of holiday. I believe it. I hadn't baked in three years until this and now every other day. I need to be making something. New favorites were banana chocolate chip Walnut Muffins with Hawaii. Flour there Delicias. So that sounds great. Send you the recipe okay. Great Brancheau we've been doing everything. Actually our our latest favorite. It doesn't kill that much time but Re Drummond Pioneer woman on her show on Saturday. She did a chocolate mudcake. That you just microwave for ninety seconds and it tastes like a chocolate lava. Kate that you would get a restaurant. It's really rich. So yeah you really need to scoop bonds and vanilla ice cream on top. Okay and the kids. Cohen says the kids could make it themselves and they love it. So that's our that's our new go-to so apparently. Did you see this Disney release? They're chewers recipe. This is a big thing. I guess on Tick Tock yes. We had to make it the other night. He got to be careful with that hot oil. Yeah it was fun. It was fun it turned out. Well I mean I actually never tried it because I'm eating so much I just don't need euros at nine o'clock at night and now the next day. They don't seem that appealing but apparently they were good. According to the others in the family we also started watching little house on the prairie which my husband and I hadn't seen since we were kids. That was one of my favorite shows. Does it hold up to it? Holds up like nobody's business. Really I mean it is super wholesome but it is like it's really well. It's really compelling except housewife's forget I haven't said I've I've fell off like a couple years ago and I hadn't God can be as Kyle Richards from Beverly Hills was on little house on the prairie one of the main family. I mean probably all. The housewives fans are yelling into their phones right now. They want to tell me what she was but she was on it like more than once. Okay I gotta go look. I'll have to look it up but I can't do that while we're talking but we are talking about food which is a perfect transition to food network. I've heard that your ratings have been way up and that doesn't surprise me so what's going on with food network and how things changed for you in the last four to five weeks so you know. It's interesting because we have at food really in the past six to nine months. Have really in and have Amped up our storytelling and a few months ago Late fourth quarter coming off of our holiday programming. You know we were really looking. At where our occasional viewers were going and our occasional viewers. Were going to a couple who we were losing and they were going to a couple of places for food content Info they were going to digital and we serve them big time from the food network kitchen APP and our websites but then from an entertainment basis. They're going to ninety day fiance so at least they're staying in the family but also going to Bravo and they were going to shows. That were more emotional With big stakes really sticky characters and at the same time we had revamped and brought back restaurant impossible in a way. That was much more emotional. got really deep into the underlying issues of restaurant owners. Whether was you know a marriage of a family who owned a restaurant Tension between generations and Robert Irvine. Who's incredible in that show? And he walks into these restaurants and he doesn't know what he's walking into in any episode and he's able to really tease out. What is the root of that of that problem? Food is always a part of that. Show a restaurant. Makeover saw is always part of that show but was really knew about this season we brought back was how emotional it was and in first quarter early first quarter that was the show that really pops ratings wise and for us it was kind of this Canarian Coal Mine of. How could we really lead into that? In in storytelling and so marsh was a big month for us. All along We were launching guy. Fiancee's turned champions. A brand new show which was a competition show but we let the cameras roll as much backstage his onstage so there was the green room as soon as somebody left the stadium and the competition. We followed them on. Yes so hind the scenes. Yeah and it was. It was new for us and for US Food Network. It represented everything you would get in a food network show and had the competition it had. The great talent had the creativity but it also had this emotion that you really saw and this side to chefs sous. Some of whom you've seen on our air before and some of you some you hadn't and that was new and we brought back buddy versus duff. Which is Also an emotional show because the stakes are so high for those guys in their personal investment is so heightened so march was always a big month for us and it just so happened that we had all of these shows that really brought a really wide audience. Whether you're coming for food or you're coming for character or you're coming for story or you're coming from competition. All of these had multi layers of appeal. Which is something that we always tried to do. Strategically and Terminal Champions for example we launched in March because we wanted it to play off of March madness bracket competition show. We invited viewers to participate in picks online at Turned out for some viewers take place of March Madness. Oh the NBA was cancelled. And so what we're getting is our weekends breaking records or weekend daytime with cooking shows. Because everybody's cooking more whether you love to cook or you have never cooked everybody needs to right now and you may have had your favorite handful of recipes in your repertoire. Now you gotta break out because at this point you you gotta shake it up and you got to be new and you're looking for inspiration so we're serving that and then we're serving families to our around the the TV together and all watch something together. And that's where buddy versus defence-breaking championship are really rising to that occasion and getting a lot of CO viewing. And you're getting people who aren't served by Competition or else so for the first time people who are sports fans. They're coming to watch chop to. They're coming to watch guy's grocery games. Repeat Bobby Flay because we're showing competition which is which is interesting. So what's exciting is that our ratings are rising across all day parts and across every day and then were also seeing greats Numbers for diners drive INS and dives and time. Yeah and are I think the VOYEURISM There's a comfort food. And then there's the voyeurism of going out to eat and I think people are dreaming of the day when they can go back out and it's There's just something about the comfort of food in a time like this. Oh for for us really. Our work is feeling more meaningful than it ever has. Yeah that's one of the. That's one of the main reasons I wanNA talk to you. Because I thought there's certain buckets right like the ninety day fiance. Escapist has nothing to do with anything. We would already be watching but it's even more delicious now to pardon the Pun but yet but the food network in particular my husband who is a huge sports fan but has also always loved food network. But he's got it on twenty four seven so I just find. It doesn't surprise me what you're saying but one thing that you said strikes me about the day parts of it all because obviously usually people at work or if they're working they don't really put the TV on in the background and that's not something they do but obviously things have changed now depending on what the next year or two looks like even if people quote unquote go back to work. A lot of people may still be working from home and staying home. Are you guys looking toward producing more original content for day? Parts in a different way than you were before. Well we're we've always at food network Programmed for weekend daytime. So that has been a differentiator for us because we have this in the kitchen block which is where we have the kitchen an idea and re Drummond. So we've always programmed for that so we will continue to have that be part of our business for what we have during the week Monday through Friday. We are relying on the library either from cooking channel Or from weekend daytime or from prime so we probably won't shift more of our programming dollars to daytime but we we have found that being a a network that does program for for daytime in the more. Instructional vein has really served us well and so that will continue. So you know we get the mandates from the agencies and they've been updating like crazy now in the last few weeks and my the thing. I used to love to do be pitching all the time. Bring the mandate to the meetings and say. Okay Courtney tell me what's right in this tell you know because it's always like half right and half as like Right but I'm not gonNA pull it up but but tell me what these conversations are internally about. What kinds of new pitches you're looking for if you know have you. How have you deviated if any in terms of going forward you want quote unquote quarantine content? You not like talk about what these conversations are going forward. We are doing a Some quick turn quarantine content. Some of our shows like Re Drummond and Guy Fatty and the kitchen were doing episodes or runs. Where we're continuing their regular shows shot at home by themselves Got The amy Schumer. That was yeah thing. So tell me how that cannabis so We got a call from William Morris that Amy Schumer and her chef husband. Where you know like a lot of people who work in entertainment. They were There was supposed to be working on projects that were paused and they said you know her husband's a chef. She wants to learn to cook. Loves to make cocktails loves everything that he makes. Would you ever want to show with them? And we said of course we just love the dynamic of Of Her being so funny and we love that. Chris is an incredible chef With a great cookbook and a great culinary point of view and I see them together on social media but I was like Oh somebody I've just curious to see how they quarantine and we hopped on zoom call and she was so funny and their dynamic was so Was just something that you could reach out and touch. And we had Dave Mackay who runs our culinary team on the call and they were just ripping on recipes and ingredients said so it was every conversation was superfund right off the bat and we were able to move more quickly than I think we ever have. And so we're filming with them now and everyone's telling me a great time but they're able to. They had they had some of their own cameras from a documentary and we also supplied some go pros there filming it by themselves and We're hoping to launch that next month. So it's a very quick turn project that'll be timely. So who's physically producing it them like how who's going to edit. It is their production company. Attached big fish is gonNA edit it so but there For All of our productions we are only doing self shot. So it's somebody who's in the household or a family member or Redoing static cameras so with Guy Fieri for example. He has trained his fourteen year. Old Son Ryder to be a camera person and his son. Hunter is a producer. So anything that we're doing with guy. They now have setup of cameras that we sent them. They're rolling so it's while it's limited in the kind of shows you can make To be creative in that kind of with those limitations has been really fun so we are doing a bunch of these Quick turn shows but then we're also mindful of you know once we are on the other side of quarantine we do think people are. GonNa be hungry to get out and We Really WanNA support the restaurant industry when they get back up and running and so were eager to get back out there for with triple de restaurant impossible but we will not be doing so until it's safe to go back into production so while we're in production in some of these self shot horn teen shows our mandate really is to develop for the future and so were still looking for those ambitious shows with great characters You know Places where we can follow documentary style and what we're grateful for is there's production. Companies who because production has paused on some of their projects. They're really putting great minds to development and so whether it's casting that we can do via skype or paper development we're still able to Really continue on developing shows. That will shoot later. This year and Are More long lead projects that are cove related at all. I know you have to wrap up because you have a call just really quick in terms of your best. Guess someone things get back to normal. And what's everybody talking about internally? Is there a date or is it just kind of day by day? There isn't it's day by day and You know discovery is an international company with eight thousand employees. And so whether we'll go back in phases or is anybody's guess but I have to say as a company they're being very responsible and communicative And so I feel good about being part of a company that I feel really secure about in terms of them throughout this whole process putting employees health and safety I So the leadership has been really inspiring I have to say so. We're just taking it day by day. Which is hard you know. I'm a planner but As it's yeah but maybe it's a good break to just be like you know what we can. We can plan that. We know this project will take twelve weeks. We don't know when we can start but will be excited to have it twelve weeks starting from state and that's how we're approaching things. That's I like the optimism. We need it right now. Yep Thank you coordinates. Great to see your beautiful. Thank you and I love your wallpaper so I want to hear more about that on our next. It's an accent law love it. Thank you bye okay. That was my chat with Courtney. White President of the Food Network and next up is Jason Star Lioness. Jason is as I said the VP of development of. He'll see he's been on this podcast two times now his third time. I encourage you to go back. And listen to both my podcast with Courtney and Jason had some really great chats with them about their former lives before their current jobs and adjacent Jason. I checked in with each other for the first time during quarantine and is great to see him and his Britney Spears style Mike which was very cool enjoy. Hi Jason. So He's good to see your face over zoom zoom. I don't know but it's forcing me to pay attention. Zoom does not work for adhd. You got to be focused right. Could you imagine if this had happened to us? Ten years ago like the whole industry become thank. We can at least interface through this zoom apparatus. Right now it's great and also I feel like people are okay with not wearing makeup accepting seeing people without makeup so that could be changing things to UNITA stitch of makeup. Come off at Latvia. Did you hear the prayed? Did you listen to my tap and podcast Jenny? Did you hear how we've appointed U-TOP GAY? Yeah and I'm really pleased with that. I'll fight anybody for that king of Hill. I love that you said it's okay Jason's a buyer he can happen. True should always put my needs ahead of his absolutely. Obviously well first of all how are you? We haven't spoken since all started. And by the way we should say that this is now your third time on the podcast. You're getting closer to the Justin timberlake robe every time so much at all. I look forward to in. Life is one day having that robe. You know I'm doing fine. I think that I'm a creature of habit. And we've been definitely put into a world where now we are. Everything's very regimented. I can lean into that right now. I'm okay it's actually when things start getting back to whatever. The new normal is that's giving me publications right. Could I don't even know what that's GonNa look like so we like how. What is your day my day. I wake up Usually about six o'clock every morning and then by six thirty. I'm in my daily Senior team management calls with so every day the TLC senior team is getting together at very early in the morning. And assessing you know what's going on and also just quite frankly checking in on one another and making sure everybody's saying or at least as sane as we ever pretend to bake and thought about moving this meeting just a little so you can get some beautifully well Thankfully the bulk of the TLC senior team is on the East Coast and the the few of us that are out here are totally cool with a up. Anyway so we dig in and we kind of go I have. I'm averaging about fifteen fifteen meetings a day. Wow so it's busier and busier. It's just as busy as it's ever been Double the amount right just about it feels like it but you know sometimes the trick on this is the the world changes it during Corona. It seems like every days so it seems like as soon as we put out one fire we realize oh wait. There's all these other fires coming down the pike so he's everywhere little fires everywhere which I haven't seen yet except my vinaigrette. Everybody's logging it but We'll get to that later. But yeah but I think that you know one of the things that's been particularly difficult is feeling like you're doing as much as you can. You're busier than ever by the nature of this particular beasts. You're not as productive. You know because as soon as you solve a problem that problem unravels again. So that's been tricky right. So what is that actually manifest itself as in your daily routine like in terms of the day to day of what you do so you obviously run development but you're also involved in production so how are things changing. What's an example of how one fires out another one comes up? Well I think you know first of all the I have it so good in so much that I couldn't even fathom having to do the work that Alon and his team in our production unit are doing. I mean they are like saints right now going through every single show getting everything back on track as PLO as best as possible. I think for us. It's it's you know when this first all happened to you. Know there was a question of is it a two week. Stopdown which state is still going to be in production which production company still wants to work and now for TLC in particular. That's try a Ma- the magnitude of that around the world given what we're doing with a ninety day fiancee's talk about working with regional governments. Forget fifty states. We're working with one hundred sixty countries so It it seemed like every few days. A new regulation was being issued. Or this would change or were assessing it. We've got enough tape days on this show. Did we get enough of our pickup interviews? So it's been constantly kind of as the information has been coming in reassessing. How far along we are in production on any given show and Do we have enough to finish off the show. How are we doing it? And then for us In the development side really pivoting and saying okay. What do we want to be generating? That's new in this environment. And will it be evergreen enough that it will continue to resonate for the viewer I probably within the first five days. Got Some iteration of Love Corona style or love under quarantine or be my quarantine you know. We were just inundated with pitches and trying to kind of quickly triage and say which of these are really viable which of these will resonate with a viewer. And which of these are worth an investment that we're not just you know throwing something on air that won't ever exist again Six months twelve months. 'cause we're not in it for a three season run. We want our shows to go on for ten seasons fifteen seasons. We'll have to say one of those shows that did break through that you green lit is so genius because if I had had this twenty years ago my life would have been different. Which is the dating from the couch. Which no matter what to talk about that. Because that's just her? We called Fine Live live and it's a show that's premiering relatively soon. May but you know this is something that's actually been in the works at. Tlc for over here. So you know Howard gave acidic just play around and figure out what new late night a show could be for us and Sarah home in myself. our VP. At New York locked ourselves in a in a room and just use the whiteboard and sketched out as this idea of essentially in every episode a different single will get on camera. Pour their heart out to America. Live and say who wants to call in and see if we're love connection and through you know zoom technology that's doable nowadays And we worked with partners and tech figured it all out and then we were ready to per mirror and covert happened so we had to quickly pivot. Yeah it oddly. Became the most topical thing ever imagine? Yeah I can't think of a show developed before all this that can seamlessly fold so easily into this new model. I mean Bill. I screen lit now. I didn't know that was not a quick reaction show. That was one that we had been in the works for a very long time. And we just trust me. I would have happily not visionary when it comes to this type of show And you know the production entity that we're working with it really. Was it difficult to figure out how to do this in a in a safe way? Post social distancing but thankfully. We figured that out and the whole show is being remotely produced And how does that work out a window into how it's actually going to be produced personnel? Who is the producer so you know we sketched us that we even wrote the initial script ourselves internally at Tlc like this was truly homegrown and then we found an amazing producer? Adam Height who we brought in Through Discovery Studios whose housing it and it's been really you know homegrown this particular show And yet we're producing it slightly. How we normally would. We got rid of the studio element completely. An are just working with our hosts Sukanya who will be Doing it out of essentially like a locked off room away from anybody else. And then everybody zooming in skyping and we'll be doing it from their own couch And then our producers who telethon style will be fielding all these calls select who's ultimately going to be on our lives are doing that from their own home so truck like normally there would be production transfer so we're not doing any any real control room here And we even have essentially a virtual control room as being set up so that we can do comms. And all the different producers and network executives will be in this virtual room and figuring it out together on the fly. Hopefully hopefully it all goes off about a hitch. We need some hitches. We need some things to of course. That's part of it. I think that you know from the producers have been talking to sort of like embracing the flaws as also part of this new normal like. We're all this ride. Oddly I'd say for us at Tlc we've been embracing the flaws since way before I started here. And that's part of what makes it a special sauce so for us. It's it's exciting. I mean you look at what Sharp and our current team did with ninety fiancee self quarantine and to have that. Show turned around within two and a half weeks essentially Warts and all and it premiered through the roof for us the other day and Loving you know I. It's a great great new show. Did you hear my interview with Matt? I did but I mean it's like dude. When do you have the time to be building a treehouse? Matt right and you a lot of casting right now. We have a lot of shows going with. This is a problem when producers Peel back the curtain on their life. They're not allowed to do anything. Janney spoiled with those kids have dare Shea. Jenny can spend time with our kids since Matt Magic. We need twenty four seven. Yeah he's only got like fifty shows for you guys so go back to development and the kinds of pitches that you're assessing to figure out what works now. What's going to work in the future? Give us some that. You've green-lit that scene. It makes sense for right now or for the future. Well I'll just say that there's two things you know first of all I in the pivot to working remotely. The thing that I think has truly suffered the most is the the art of the pitch and the the kind of pageantry of it There's nothing worse than sitting in your makeshift office. I'm in my guest room right now. For instance having seven boxes Brady bunch style staring at you while you watch their tape for four or five minutes It's ridiculously awkward. All the nuances lost. So I really do. Miss The in Person Pitch. I'll be I'll be really honest with you and I think one of the issues and I love the creativity and the engine. Nudity that we're getting from the production community right now but I think everybody jumped on the exact same bandwagon of what can I produce really quick really cheaply right now? That could be on the air and three weeks but we all know that networks have been Producing the stuff. That's going to be on our air for the next two months for the last eighteen months. I I don't need something for right now But I do need something for when we're out of this mess. hopefully hopefully soon That the audience is going to just want to relish an eat up and unfortunately at least for me. I don't think the audience is going to want to live in a quarantine world hopefully and be constantly reminded of all things. Corentin and how terrible their lives were at that moment. They're going to want to escape from that. And so I've yet to really hear a great influx of pitches that can be produced as as Cova proof but aren't just dripping with all things cove it even in the visual reminders of what it's like to be an zoom environment. That's so sad. Yeah 'cause I was going to lean in on that on a pitch next week so I'm glad to hear it had reduction of it but the why now of it like a sort of an ancillary like especially during these times kind of thing and I what I'm really anxious to hear is the producers who are prognosticating. What these times are GonNa be six months from now nine months from now. What is the viewer going to be craving then because unfortunately other than Five Live? Which is you know a live. Show being produced during this The shows that we're producing. Now we're going to have to resonate for the post quarantine viewer and to keep that in mind. You know one of the things that allow people keep joking with us about you. Know the divorce rates are going to be. What what does that mean? What does it mean to be a newly single post cove? It is that you're gonna WanNa see something What's going to mean for the parents that are gonNA feel so dumb six months from now like what's the iteration of are you smarter than a fifth grader? That's going to resonate. After they've all lived at. You know trying to think a little bit ahead. I is what I really would charge development community right now to be doing all right. Live Pitch Ninety Day divorce done. I'm a little disappointed in you because you should have gone with ninety day. Devore say right. That's what is wrong with me. I know we've been there. We've been down that road a few times but how many times exactly the way you heard me pitch this to Matt some and make my pitch to you. I want to see the quarantine version of azan Nicole Room together. The I gotTa tell you in in our war bunker of all things ninety day we pretty much have every iteration of everything you could possibly think of so I defer to what Matt and ultimately Alon and Howard decide to go with their but I think there's there's good stuff brewing. I'll tell you that much. Yeah I mean that's what's so great about your network is that it's so escapist even though it's gritty and real it's also so escapist so it manages you know as opposed to Bravo that's really more kind of aspirational and glitzy and with a with a sheen. You guys have such a different approach and yet you're blowing everyone out of the water which just shows that people want to watch that kind of programming. I mean everybody moved their shows off Thursday night. Sorry off of Sunday night because of you they couldn't get the Kardashians your friend. I know dare you look at look at how good Thursday night is doing for Kardashians. I'm really proud of being a murray. For reinvigorating that franchise. I think. Listen at the end of the day We're really lucky that our secret sauce seems to be working. You know we everybody's raving about how their ratings are doing post quarantine because the levels have gone through the roof. Thankfully that yes. We're experiencing some benefits from that but at the we've been seeing the audience flock to us for quite a while before that and I think to your point it's because we're being aspirational. I think were showing lifestyles that people might aspire to or be fascinated by but we're not elitist and that's the point of differentiation. I'll be really curious to see when another thing that post covert or during the end of cove it here you know the the and even ourselves the producers and the viewers are being hit really hard with economic downturn in crisis and. Are you going really care about some of the more elitist lifestyles and there will always me problems. You look at the backlash on certain celebrities. Right now I think it's incredibly warranted so To to give the viewer mirror into what real people are dealing with salt of the Earth Americans who are living just trying to live their best life Has Been Part of what we do and I think it's going to matter more now than ever. I think that's a really good point and I think you're right about the celebrities because it's a lot of it's just insufferable just stop. I don't want to medicating from her closet anymore. I can't I know I I I listen. The you want do a performance in a Disney special. Which by the way was. I think incredible TV and the ratings proved it. I'm all in but I don't want to hear you complain about your Third Mansion Not just not. That's just not interesting to me or to be so tone. Deaf is to say. Feels like you're in jail. When there's a real crisis with people being led out of jails because they're they're dying in there because of corona so you know and I think that's that's the difference between us and our competitors forever. It's that we we just lean into the the more authentic real journey that Americans are going on even though obviously for us. It's gotta be bigger than life in terms of what they're going through but their personalities they're just very genuine right now. Do you have anything else coming up? That's launching soon that you can talk about. That's already been in the camp for a while that you're excited about I think most of our new premieres. We've are kind of circling around. What we've we've talked about thus far. There's nothing I can can reveal necessarily here But we do have. Oh my God I. I'm GonNa Tease and say we have some of the best casting for season one show that I've ever seen in my career And your career in my career. It's big top on a show that we are just really really excited about coming around the pike. So that's like one of is that the fall. Tvd On when it will premiere. But here's what the one of the great benefits of Working Development. Right now is in development. We live in the future and the present isn't a very pleasant place right now but we're dreaming about what eighteen months are gonna be like from now and that gives me hope so every day every day. I see pitch and I think Oh. I can't wait for us to be able to produce a show like this and that's exciting. Thinking about can be is is reinvigorating US every day. Yeah me too. I can't wait for the future as my daughter. Says this sucks? Yeah I think it is not fun for anybody you know and I think what we also feel and what we're constantly say. Corporately discoveries been incredible Every week we do a town hall meeting with our CEO David Zaslov and all ten thousand employees from around the world gather and we talk about what's going on and we're learning from all discoveries inherently international company. So we've had people from our Chinese office from our Taliaferro. Sit there and tell us in America. Like here's what to expect so we we've all been working together and and it's also really helped us kind of come together as one world and think about how do we make sure that the producers who are our partners who are going through tough time like how are we funneling them content to make for a quick turn our their re cut that we would have done internally you know and just say hey get some more editors employed right now Anything we can do to make sure that the storm which is is painful on sides is something that the whole industry is going to be able to weather to hear it so before we wrap up. Tell me what you are watching to distract yourself from all of us you know I somehow did not watch Lee Tae until just now have you seen. I've started it in. It's on my list. Let's put it that way it is. It's like gossip. Girl with the volume turned up to seventeen A Spanish language soap opera set in elite. Private School. I just thank God there. Three seasons of it for me to binge. So I've been staying up late every night watching that which been awesome though I have been just devouring every podcast from the sun. The fact that we have Dr Sanjay Gupta every single day for ten minutes helping US understand the real realities of this world has been a lifesaver for me personally and I thank God. What is he saying about bleeds? Should we be drinking in like I'm unclear? I don't know if if it's a mixer that you add to the Vodka Soda or Bleach Bleach Teeny I love yourself of New York. I dip beverly hand and out. I'm not a huge huge huge housewife fan. I L- I enjoy it every time. Watch an episode. But it's it. Actually Andy. Cohen always talked about. How the housewives are the modern day replacements for the daytime soaps and I watch them the way. I used to watch daytime soap where you could go for three months without seeing an episode and then you see an episode and nothing's really changed arguing that the same seven things And that's what I like about housewives so I can't really comment on the current storylines although I did see that Denise Richards What she she quit the show right. Is that what happened? But she cards thing something about. She stopped filming. Yes there was the whole thing with brandy. It's the whole thing. Oh I got to say you know back in our eat as we did a show called delete Denise Richards Coal complicated a advocate it and I got like where was. Where is this Hattie fiery denise when I was doing the whole show? Oh my God episode. I remember her in her home. Spray Tan some acting like Middleburg IRV IRV with their pigs. I was like she's got a dark side when you're married to Charlie Sheen well she's shown some of that dark side on house is I'll tell you that much so excited to see our to evolution for bringing it out of her because I know how difficult that was. Yeah exactly all right so alita anything else. Any suggestions to the audience elite Let me think about what else are watching. I'm not an Ozark Guy. There's something I drew tapping will hate me for this but Jason Bateman. It's not my thing just I've never. I've never really yeah trying to think what else I'm watching that. I'm just absolutely obsessed with I. Nothing really I wish I could be more interesting with that answer. I should have prepped for that. One Alito watching your history documentaries. I'm always watching my history documentaries like You know the joke is. I could tell you about the history of Sam because I just watched a documentary about it and I did there. There is a really cool we sent. Yeah yes and on the beach. I had no idea that like the Middle East actually buys sand from Australia and ships it in. What yeah like these are the things that that entertain me? These things I find fascinating. Where was that documentary on Youtube? All this stuff just like crap. I watch on Youtube incessantly absolutely incessantly. But I'm telling you. Alita is good. I SADDAM LA Who's over Netflix? Please can you do a behind the scenes special about the people that dubbed the voices for because I just want to see their faces. Oh you watch it. Debuted won't do subtitles wash it like old school Godzilla movie. The lips are moving and none of it winds up. Its I think it adds to the camp value for me. Totally just really really enjoyed that way I did. I just did the whole season of Faldo which is amazing. An amazing show and it's a lot of work to read those subtitles. I mean yeah exactly late at night. My brain is hard enough. It is hard. Even though we'll get ninety day fiance another great example of of Subtitles working while the other thing. I kinda have to plug this show. Sister wives this season. If you have not seen the season I think it was like season nine or ten highest rated season ever. Wow ever of the show in that crazy. This is a show that is still so relevant and the drama that happens this go go binged that on our go after he was so freaking good and then obviously you're going to have to watch final not just watch love live like. Don't you know somebody that you'd call any single people that need to find love? But she's like sixty six is that I don't Care Ages. Tlc is all ages. Look Jan Sumit. She's what sixty seven sixty eight and she's like biggest star on ninety the other way so we we want everybody if their character and if they're true the one thing is we want people that genuinely want to make a connection. It's like people who are GONNA be lease after the don't like them what what happens once. They like each other. Well that's going to be a part of the show that's going to be part of the show. Okay we're we're GONNA chronicle some of these people and what their love life is going to continue to morph into. It's going to be so so much like ninety day by design because by the time they fall in love over zoom they might just go get married when this is all over. I hear Spin Offs. Yeah no I think that's the whole point. I think one of the things that the whole ninety two universe made us realize that people fall in love authentically in the most bizarre ways and so what finally of live allows us to do is be a part of that journey. Just live on television and the exciting thing. There is just awkward and weird and bizarre. That should be so. I can't wait to see what happens. You know would. Tlc have done. Love is blind. No I think not organic. Yeah exactly the the artifice of it works perfectly for other networks and quite frankly I love this one was really well produced. Give him a lot of credit but the show that was a little bit more authentic already exists with married at first sight and it's essentially the same concept right. No it's Connecticut. You can't burn them. They did the same show themselves who Kudos to them. Because it did you ask. I think it was really really well done. Essentially they're like. How do we take it for site? And Mix in the Bachelor in paradise what that show is And they did. A great stink was phenomenal and and connects really good. You know they did a show in that vein for us when called Spouse House And we really tried that Moore. You know produced social experiment vein and I think that's just not what the TLC linear environment really lends itself toward. Well that doesn't matter because you have a million other heads so well and hopefully a million a million and one one. You're only as good as your your latest hit so hopefully you're awesome Jason. Thank you for being a tree. P of course Listen I look forward to when we get to do number four hopefully in person all right honey take care. Good to see you a by.

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# 402 - Tyler Florence & ME

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# 402 - Tyler Florence & ME

"Pig is brand new. Podcast come nonstop. We're just GONNA put out as much as we can until you guys go all right buddy. Pump your brakes. I got a new Bill Bert. This week I had a new two bears one cave this week. I got Gabby released yesterday. Tyler Florence's today you already know that you've already clicked that an intro. In the second I got a new hot ones. That just came out. It's on Youtube under I. Feast with Sean Evans. We did a quarantine edition where they sent me the sauces. They sent me the wings. I then loaded up my own winds which was a huge mistake and And it's airing right now. Halston just posted. He liked it so I hope you guys enjoy it. I'm trying to put as much content for free as possible. Obviously my special. Hey big boy is streaming right now on net flicks go check it out. Enjoy it when this gets done. We will be touring in new our when this gets done. Jesus Oh tomorrow night I have a live zoom with five hundred participants that we're doing happy hour for five o'clock Pacific coast time eight o'clock eastern standard time. This will be the first time I drank in thirty nine days I drink. I didn't drink when I got here off of the tour bus. That's Sunday for a whole week. And then some and then I drank with Rogan when I did his podcast and then I haven't drank since so in forty days. I've had to Oslo traces subtract. Their sponsor reads there's just a good free content Podcast for you And that's it. Yeah I we. Feast Checkout The released next week big PODCASTS. We've got Guy Fieri Someone else I forget who else we have anyway. This week's podcast is watching a lot of food network. A lot of food network and I've been watching the Great the great food truck race. I don't know if you've seen the great food truck race but I got obsessed with Tyler. Florence I know tyler from Tyler's ultimate food nine one one. He's a scripts guide. See Him at script cements when I work to travel channel and I am alive I love I gotTa tell you man. I don't work at travel channel and I know -scripts kind of broken up. I think they're all owned by discovery. Now but Goddamn and I love the content. They're producing on DIY and on food and cooking not a big HDTV fan. Although I watched the Property brothers a much in their new shows celebrity IOU or the girls man. You really very quickly see that. Brad Pitt is worth every cent. They pay him. Brad Pitt Melissa McCarthy celebrity. Iu is actually at the property. Brothers on here Jonathan drew. I know those guys. I know a lot of a lot of these guys from doing up fronts and doing Events when I worked to travel channel but I never really got to speak to them much And so it's really nice that they've all seen the special that they all wanted to come on the podcast and they were cool enough to talk to me for an hour. Tyler had exactly one hour so We got him in and out but We got guy coming up. And then I'd take any woman those barnyard builders I take the main cabin built anyone. That's been living off the grid. I'm obsessed with that content right now also obsessed with the operation of Desa. I don't know if you've seen that on Netflix. Operation Desa is out of this world and I've been talking about that Guy Tarzan for years. I've been talking about that guy. Tarzan for probably thirty years. Because I knew about that. Because that's all coming from Florida. I think I don't know I'm not gonNA speculate. Maybe I'll maybe I'll get Tarzan on here. I would love that. Should reach out. Yeah we're like Tarzan so good. Call WanNA reach out and see if I can guitars in. Hang on one second. I'm GonNa do it right now. Oh hang on one second. It's my manager. Hey Reg. Have you seen operation? Odessa on Netflix. Okay can you please see if we can get Tarzan on the podcast? I'll let me let me hang on one second. I'm doing for Tyler. Florence sees this week's episode on the broadcast and then I'll hop on the phone with the. Okay give me one SEC. Just give me one second okay. I'm young right cool anyway. I'm a big fan of target Florence. I'm big fan of all the food network is. I've been fan of the Food Network for as long as I've been with the end that's when I started watching food network. Just give you a little story I lost a ton of weight when I met Lien was one hundred eighty six pounds. And what my rhythm would be as. I have dinner early. I Start Drinking Beers and then I call it a night. Take a beard on a bed with me and start watching food network and I got so interested in food network. I learned how to cook through food network. I think we talked about that. A little here. Talk about my. My shift was learning to love Emerald. I didn't get emeralds Angle at first I didn't it and then one night I did once I got emerald I got everyone and I fell in love with everyone on that network and that was part of the reasons one of the many reasons I worked to travel channel. Obviously you know I wasn't like I wasn't like through the roof about a roller coaster show initially 'cause I just took the meetings. I wanted to meet the company that did man versus food. I'm a big food show guy and so when I found out that they're all related food network. Hdtv DIY cooking channel travel channel. Great American country. I was Kinda through the roof and I remember going to the first event meaning and Burrell and being like Oh my God. It's an umbrella and she was awesome every bit of Amber Al. You wanted her to be meeting. Rachel Ray Meeting Giada meeting bobby needing guy. We talk about that. But meaning tyler as well is. I'd see these guys and I would lose my shit and I can never contain myself to be cool around them and so I never became friends with them. Never really met them just other than a hello and man. It's such a pleasure. I I think I tell the story here. Halston I do tell the story of being at that upfront in New York right I tell it I know I tell it. Tell it To I probably tell it twice very pivotal moment in my career and I would just simply say that it means more to me than you'll ever know that guy's listening to this podcast that you care that you buy tickets come see me but the fact that I that you guys kind of shepherded me back on the right path when I got when I felt that waterfall and you guys were came in. We don't like your travel channel. So we just like your podcasts. In your stand up just do specials in just do podcasts. To be to know that I'm on the right path right now and then I'm doing the right thing and then I'm going in the right direction as opposed to the story. Oh here where I kinda law awesome. I didn't know what I was doing and I realized I was sitting in the wrong seat to great feeling. It's a really really great feeling so like I said we're doubling down on podcast for doubling down on content and would stand up starts motherfuckers. I'm saying goodbye to my family in California and I'm living on the fucking road living on the fucking road. I am when I get out on the road. You have no idea. I will be producing a blog every single day. I will be doing everything I can on the road. I will be going in doing radio I will be doing every I will be doing tough. Mutters Spartan races. I can't wait till they lift this fuck in quarantine but until that time. I'll be just doubling down on podcast like this one ladies and gentlemen you know him from food nine. One one. You know from Tyler's Tyler's ultimate is new truck. The Great Food Truck Race has new show. The great food truck race is right. Now Airing on food network. He is a chef up. We talk about that in the podcast about his falling in love with food before it was like a cool to fall in love with food. When you WANNA be a chef? He is a restaurant tour he has. I think nine cookbooks. He's an all around awesome. Dude we have a great interview. I hope you enjoy it. I hope you stay safe. Ladies and gentlemen it is my great pleasure to introduce you Tyler Florence. Hey congrats on the new show Just watched binge watched the other day the I have so many fucking notes adults. Hey big boy how are you so I WanNa Talk? I WANNA I wanNA talk about Really WanNa Talk. 'cause I feel like you're one of the ODE. Jeez when it comes to the Food Network. Yeah for sure for sure you you were a person. This is gonNA sound disrespectful and by the way if it sounds disrespectful to you listening because you think it's disrespectful to you I'm not talking about you. Talking to the person listening you were someone who decided to be a chef and then found television as opposed to the other way around correct you know no disrespect taken because that was absolutely the path forward Forty nine years old this year and I started cooking way before the food network was ever a thing. And that's an no disrespect to those people who found I. I know lots of Guys I love Eddie Eddie Wong. Anyway is a guy who restaurant wanted to be a comic restaurant tour kind of wrote a book and and got into TV. I don't think you really ever loved TV. I think it was like something that was forced on him. But your old school in like your passion is food. I it always has been. I mean everything else has fallen into my lap over my career so incredibly grateful for I had a long conference call with food network today talking. About what the Hell we're doing in the middle of pandemic But I've been on television with Food Network for twenty four years. Now that is he or is years bro. So who did you? Who who is your starting. Who's your starting class? Starting class. It was it was made Bobby Flay Emerald Agasi Sara Moulton Ming side and man. I used to watch do see okay. So twenty years ago by maybe maybe twenty years ago I I. I went on this weight loss journey. Like I'M GONNA lose weight. I was maybe probably lighter than I am now and every night. It's when I discovered the food network every night I would watch whatever was on like I would watch and by the way. I was like a snob comic. I'd watch and Malagasy and I was like I didn't get it like I was like. He's he's a brand like I didn't see it and then all of a sudden one day just a Bam I just was like it made me giggle and I went okay and I slowed down and I fell in love with all you guys. I mean all you guys were my like. It was my introduction technically to food network but more importantly to this company scripts who I guess. Was you know running that from day? One Yeah Yeah and we were in the same family for a while when you are on travel man so you know that whole big group like tables really big. There's something for everybody when you hop on the food network you're gonNA find somebody on there. You're going to gravitate towards all different kinds of cooking styles all kinds of different personalities and so there's indication stop there's competition south. There's always been something for everybody and it's and it's just got better over the years and that's what I love about it right and and so you know you jumping in that from a a enthusiastic standpoint especially with like your Youtube series right like when you're in the kitchen cooking brow like you're doing that and and what I'm watching I'm watching you do the food network thing but you watch it so many times. You feel so comfortable doing that because like you're so incredibly passionate about food right and why not man. Why not give the kitchen and like like how the time? Yuck it up. Burn some Shit. Make Jokes House from friends over. Because that's what we do anyway like Not Everything turns out great and we always always like to say if it comes out a little rare you call a Carpaccio and you keep fucking going. You know what I mean and and so. That's what's so fun about watching you in the kitchen cooking and because the enthusiasm has to be there I can tell I can tell a lot of ways but I tell you really love to cook right. I love you guys interested. You guys really taught me how to cook. Because I would watch you guys and I would learn little tiny things in the night. Try try at night or the next night to try things and like I said I always had this crazy respect forming because he was so mild mannered he by the way I don't mean disrespect mindset as he definitely did not belong on. Tv. He was just a guy who loved cooking passionate about his culture very passionate about sharing it. And that's why he was good on. Tv is because he was passionate. Every single wannabe showed up to that network fucking passionate about it wasn't about by the way these people that when I say these things they'll know who I'm talking about. It wasn't about finding a cool pair of glasses to make sure people knew you were passionate. Because you're the guy with the glasses. It was in love with food. It just about cookie man and this is the difference. I think in a lot of ways because there's so many different shows on right now right between your top chef and chopped and and so the idea of being a celebrity chef like the bar has dropped a little bit and honestly. There's not one of my colleagues on a professional level or chefs that I bump into who haven't been on national television for at least five minutes right so everybody kind of walked away from that situation going. Where's my cappuccino whereas my agent whereas a book deal? But I'm telling you if you can walk up to a counter of me's and pasta dishes and not have a recipe in front of you and not even know where the hell you're GonNa go and build to riff on all those ingredients and bill to make a spectacular meal all the top of your head like that's the that's the repertoire of by what. I call the salad bar ingredients right. I can walk up to a counter. Stop Ice Cold. Not even know what the hell the recipe is. Just a bunch of ingredients. Riffa makes something spectacular like we play in the whole thing the whole time long and that's just practice and experience and that's travel that's cooking that's tasting Ataba that that That introspective of where the thing came from in the first place to be able to tell great stories. And I gotTa tell you. That's why I love. You is a common man because like no way tells stories better than you both like. Nobody man I I just watch Hagan after the third time like last night so I I'm I'm serious by like you. It's ugly you tell jokes you just you're not gonNA fucking believe what happened to me man and like his life is so interesting in the first place right and so so when you're when you're really good at it you don't even really think about right like we do a lot of preparation for a lot of production. We lie to write a Lotta recipes. Every sixteen cookbooks were put producing another one this year. Some somehow some way sometime I don't know But you always gotta get better at. You always kinda sharpen yourselves right and and for people that just step into that in a way and go okay. I used to be a country music singer and now I'm on television cooking like as as interesting as it seems for a season or two. They'RE GONNA run out of gas eventually just because they don't really have the tear war of all ingredients right you're gonNA make Mama's biscuits and they're gonNA make this like down home country whatever it is and it's all great so I'll fun but like you can have a hard time getting past season. Preseason for right right and and that's that's the thing about so I'm I'm lucky to have been with food network as long as a HAP- love them to death and love how everything is starting to grow. As a matter of fact they're launching a A limited series of Amy Schumer coming up in the next couple of weeks which is gonNA be really fun. You should call him to Bro. Should call him. I think you might be kind of interesting on the food network too because you've got some chances man but but it's been a wild ride and And I loved every bit of it a level of going. Love what we've been talking to. Let's talk about let's talk about. I want to talk about like I WANNA start from. I would love to kind of track. We have got like an hour. I got you for fifty three more minutes yet. But curious about grown up in South Carolina about going about kind of like just being like like what kind of kid you earn high school and college like how you discovered food. I WanNa talk about traveling food because I I did travel for a and then I wanNA talk. I'm really curious about what it was like to be one of those first people to pave the path of celebrity chef of pave the path of so these are the these are the trappings. You will do what the people now that are. Learning about like finding food is a passion. I don't think that just because you wanna mess up as a young chef you want to get on TV. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But like Oh definitely on you. Guys were a class of a legit a classic a freshman class of chefs that paved away of like. Hey man you got I remember. I remember having conversations with all of your different times about you've got to got to open up. Open restaurant started to a cookbook. You gotta you know. I'm kind of curious because you also have taken the path of like your own show and then hosts the show and then it's really really fascinating. But how so you grew up in South Carolina. I grew up in a small town called. Greenville which is like the northwestern part and state. And now it's actually the tech capital of the state like BMW North. America's there there's lots of like heavy global industry that comes out of Greenville. Very interesting place And right now Some really dynamic southern restaurants are coming out of Greenville and I went to Went to college in Charleston. I went to Culinary Kinda High School Kid. Where you you like You're you're gorgeous dude. Like captain of the football. I mean your your your television attractive. What well thank you night. Not Bad looking yourself. Probably like his like I I was kind of a different kid. And you know I I loved like you know like British grunge rock and everywhere between like the clash and you know a new order and stuff like that like ice skate rat. I had like crazy long hair looking flock of seagulls back in the mid eighties. Men and like war torn clothes and like I. I was popular but I was kind of popular in like the the the outcast set you know. We were keen of the outs. Are they the the misfits right? And that's I did. Oh Yeah Yeah. Preserving clove cigarettes. Yeah Cigarettes Shit. Has Very Edgy. Listened to chair? Write poetry to this day. If you play love cats I'm standing up and I'm going to dance the dance route. I'm just the best so I I went to Started working in restaurants when I was fifteen years old man just because you know I just wanted to hang out with adults and do adult things man so I am started washing dishes in like the nicest restaurant my hometown of Greenville South Carolina dogs hop on the catcher behind. Me Man. That's Leroy what's ugly. Roy Is GonNa he's GonNa cut down with you. What's up buddy? Beautiful dog thanks man. German shorthair pointer. I'm a big dog. I just watched the I was I was about say German shorthair Boehner and then I thought all of the all of my rescue fans are going to be like. Oh so how? How into reads argue Bert where we have to bull mastiffs so we had to rescue dogs and he's a he's four years old it was. It was a dream breed. I had I had a dog that pass away. That's when it gets something special. He's a he's a great boy that's his name is bad badly Brown. What a good looking dog is he. Houses temperament is like calm and relax star Mel Out. Now man he was. He was a rough up dude. Upi is a nightmare Karen House apart. It was Crazy Colette. I started. I started washing dishes. And and the nicest restaurant my hometown of Greenville South Carolina and You know from washing dishes to like being a prep cook to helping out. And the butcher station learn how to make sauces and then and the kind of cooking on the line and I just knew right there at the age of fifteen. That's exactly what I wanted to do for the rest of my life and I knew who I was at a really early age in and I think that kind of self awareness is important to to start your career as early as you possibly can. Now I think the idea of people going to college an figuring out what to do with their life when they get out of college. You've wasted about six seven years man that you could be doing something really important without going to college so you could study political science or Liberal Arts Education. I think sometimes getting a good technical background I went to technical school the Culinary School. I wanted trey right so I learned how to Cook and learn how to cook into life. But we're going to make it or not the reason why in culinary school by the way you did this in nineteen eighty nine. I'm guessing nineteen ninety nine hundred ninety nine and then while I started school in Ninety nine thousand nine hundred and then stuck around for two more years. I got a business degree. This is way before way before this is what I think is cool. This is like this is before being a chef was cool. You just did it kick way is what. That's what's so cool about it. It is remember when we all found that does that built choppers and we were like. Wow can you imagine and then also build jobbers? You're like I don't WanNa see you. Bill toppers I want the guys that chose to do it when we thought they were losers. Yeah right it just in their blood man you know. Yeah and so. I started cooking when food came from a hole in the wall. Nobody ever knew you know what the chefs name or really cared. Honestly exited matters about the maitre d' and you're getting the right table and whoever whoever's in the kitchen was just like named Francois somebody and nobody really really cared until until about nineteen ninety and so when I was paying attention to it all these shafts were starting to pop up regionally around America's woking fuck in La and his Imola New Orleans and Jasper white in and it was Dean Farren in Dallas. And it was Charlie Trotter Chicago. And all these chefs are popping up regionally and they started producing what is now defined as regional American cooking. Because it's so different. It's so vast and it's so interesting because everybody you know if you look in your own backyard is like pockets of inspiration that you can't get anywhere else in the world like Food New England way different the food taxes in Texas way different. La even in L. A. and San Francisco. I live right I mean so. It's two completely different food styles. But but it's all sort of like rich and interesting at the same time so so I did that and then went to culinary school. I got a bachelor's degree in hotel restaurant management because I think it's important to build Saute scallop but into know how to make a business out of it crash restaurant that Johnson Wales University gave him an honorary doctorate. Two thousand five. So that's fucking Dr Tyler. You and then. After that and moved to New York City I moved to New York City with two thousand dollars in my pocket. That was it. I had a my first month's rent my last month's rent in about a week's worth of cash and I didn't have a job but I knew that you know if if you took yourself seriously as a chef in America then you kind of went. The two places right either went to New York. Are you went to parents? And I had the money to go to new right and I started working with Charlie Palmer or yell which was like the biggest restaurant in the world. Time biggest culinary name America hands down early Polar Charlie Palmer. Yep exactly the same guy that I'm assuming that owns Char- Charlie Palmer's in DC Yup Charlie stakeouts exactly the same guy. John Guy so I I work with him back when he had one restaurant right and used to work the line every night and so he was my mentor growing up so work with a bunch of other chefs but he was. He was a big alice. My first big city bad ass cooking experience and everything else that I grew up with growing up in the south where all the food is just brown and good you know. It's like chicken fried steak and Fried Chicken and Collard. Greens cooked with a Ham Hawkin and ambrosia coconut cake and Coca Cola bottle and you know and like pork rinds. And Black. That's the food. That's the delicious American Folk Niagara. With but then you can take that sensibility and you go to New York City and then then everything refined. It tastes great. But then it's refined to a level which is pure art. And so I worked with Charlie for a couple of years and I worked at River Cafe and and Brooklyn for a while and then and then I I took this big leap because I I was married and is expecting my first child at the age of twenty five and I had to start making some real money so I I did this. Fake it till you make it move. Why applied for an executive chef position. Probably too early but fuck it. You know I just did it and I got the job and I was Twenty five years old. I was executive chef restaurant. Italian restaurant called Shibo on forty second avenue and Forty Second Street and is still there. But I'm really proud of round the customer Tutor City in New York City and And we we were blowing up and we were getting really great accolades and all the newspapers and then one night One of the executive food network happened to be in the dining room and I was walking around like a stud with my Chris Chefs on walk at the table. Shaken hands and Tyler. Florence was dinner tonight. You really enjoy that. And she had him Your Business Card and say you know where the programming directors with this new cooking Channel Food Network and I was trying to drool in front of her and And I took the GIG and you know I did WanNa parents and that was it. I WANNA parents on food network in one thousand nine hundred six. I'm not sure what it was called in food today and it was like this live new show. They would do every night at six o'clock with with a Donna Hanover. Which was Giuliani's ex? Wife and David Rosen Garden. I don't know if these old name. Sample David Rosen. Garden grows and garden. Yes Donna Davis Osa. Show called in food today and And I and the end of the show because I would just do like the World Food News live and at the end of it. They would have this kind of guest chef appearance. I did one and I'm mumbled stuttered and sweated my way before and a half minutes was a fucking disaster but when the executive walk does that was great. Can you come back next week? And so between one thousand nine hundred sixty nine hundred ninety nine. I was logging in like an appearance a week. Obviously trying to build up my facetime on network and then in nineteen ninety nine I was like food network's best friend for for years and the nineteen ninety nine inside to make official the offer me a contract. I got my first job. Hosea Shoka food. Nine one one right where we travel around the country and help people out with their everyday food emergencies and this is a guy who grew up with like really great southern home cooking and working in restaurants in south and then had his level of refinement. Polish I work in restaurants in Europe and then I could take the whole thing and repackage. It would just pure technique hanging out with everyday folks kitchen and showing them how to fix to noodle casserole how to make better guacamole and how to like perfectly pork chop how to how to Houghton Egged on all these different things we kind of break. It was the first chef on the food network to not wear chef's coat which I'm very proud of. I remember that show so vividly. I 'cause I asked right when I moved to New York. I WanNa say we WANNA say me and my buddy we. Joe Watched you poaching egg on on on food nine one one and then one night were walking back from bars in New York. Now we used to live above Po- On Cornelia Street right twenty nine Cornelia Street right above poem Cornelia Street cafe. And so my buddy we chose like hey man we can poach eggs like we know how to poach eggs. Let's poach does a night. Yeah we got bugging wasted and based off of your your show. Our recollection is a dozen eggs and we were shirtless than drunk and it was bought by the way I still use that moment at the genetic Yemen. And you know and that's why I love the bad like these moments where it's like you know we have this superpower. You WanNa call it that right. We just know how to cook and I'm a I'm a one trick pony man this is all I wanna do like you take me on the kitchen. I can barely pump gas in the real world man. But like but this is my thing you know and I've been rocketed for a long time and and I and I love it and I love that moment where you just said you know like like what you did on television. We did it and now I've got a little piece of that too and I can make my guess is they're honestly you know you could probably say the top five lists the most incredible things on planning to be alive with but didn't know how to cook got to be one of them. You know what I mean. It's got to be one of them. It's going to be out there like I just. I love to cook because I I love the taste of food like to me like nothing like very few things like ours. Exciting when you taste like Almond God. That's crazy and to not even better ride the possess the ability to take something that's like average and season it two point was like. I'm never tasted food like that before. That's just my gift man. And so you know. Get chance to hang out with people again. Just like travel and write cookbooks and food festivals and and be a part of the big food and our culture minimum like like like like I said what five or six of us and who started the network and a lot of ways and And a lot of people come on a lot of now and now it's like a whole new generation of people that bums me out a tad bit It bums me out. It's cool to see the lifers. The guys who you know I it speaks volumes about your your your humility and your personality if you can stay at a network that long because it means that you're not you're egos not getting in the way you're a good person to work with. There's a lot of reasons. People stayed in network and number one is people like a beck's it again number one and. I think that's a good lesson if you ever get the opportunity to go to the big show right like if you ever get your opportunity to have a Netflix special or if you get your opportunity to have a a series on something don't act like an asshole right as soon as you get it the whole thanking. Just go away. And I've seen it happen to so many people before so second. You lose that gratefulness of all of it and it doesn't matter how great a relationship you have or how much money you're making an episode or it could all just go away right so travel channel guys will come. And and you'd I mean I could name exact names and they'd come in and they'd be just difficult. All get was one one week of good ratings and all of a sudden they were unbearable and and you and I remember being like Hey I remember someone saying to me at an upfront Then what's key? How come like like what's ahead. What's the secret and I was like him and I am probably the lowest rated show on the network. I'm still here so I was like. There's a reason I'm just not a Dick Fungi. Whatever they ask me I always say yes. I never questioned him. I'm a company guy. Ibkr very appreciative for the job. It's fun Buchan job and it and it was. It was amazing but there's IT speaks more. It speaks more about who you are as a man or a woman. When you you have a job at a network like that for awhile gift you know I. It's a gift. It's a gift to be on television. Get the show businessman gift right and so the Zoe so When I'm out in public and people walk up to me. I'd never disrespect at that intersection right. Somebody wants up to make us all. Megani AIN'T GONNA get picture with you. I'm like yeah absolutely quincy came in of course because I've been on television their house for years and they have a relationship with me. I know nothing about and I'm not gonNA blow that that moment with them because I'm busy or I'm running late for my flight or I don't have time or whatever it is or I'm with my kids. I mean like like some people just kind of blind to the situation the walk up in those start freaking out a little bit and then with my family did my eleven year old daughter will take the camera and take the picture my wife. We'll take the picture I and so you know it's just it's just part of the whole thing but it's an amazing relationship It's been It's been a singular experience is only about probably twenty or twenty five people in America. Don What we've done now and to be on that network as long as we have and and it's a blessing but I think about it. It's like we never take our our recipes for granted right. We never take like I. I never I try my hardest not to repeat myself or you know like talk about some crazy recipe. We did ten years ago. Were always reinventing it. While is come up with new content will always new recipe writing and trying to kind of keep the storyline flowing is. I've seen a lot chefs fall apart like that. We just because like their food never evolves where I was like. Wow you don't get me started. The number one thing and comedy. The number one thing is the number one rule my opinion if your comic you've got to challenge yourself on your next special by the way. I'm not a genius bill. Burr told me that it was like yeah man. If you're not challenging yourself you're not growing. And he was very simply he was like when you were an open mic and you've got a couple of jokes that works like all right here we go. Do you still do like knowing. He's like yeah 'cause you grew here's like you should definitely can grow when you're also really good too when you've heard us is good. Yakuza. I honestly I'm sure like you because I I gotTa tell you. Hey boy is fucking great special man refunding and so like now I feel like twenty four years deep on food network. We're launching a new restaurant. San Francisco's falsely steakhouse with the Golden State Warriors It's called Miller and locks. Were doing that one. We got wayfair tavern. Our flagship restaurant here in San Francisco. I got I got chicken shop at the airport. And we're doing a lot of fun expansion in the restaurant business and in we're I launched a just launched two new youtube channels once a wolf it down once a wolf it down. I T K which things in the kitchen so we're producing a bunch of amazing content for a younger audience. Who Don't really know a lot about food network or not really. Watch that kind of thing. We just launched a newsletter we just launched a new website. A wolf down so we're we're constantly evolving and cranking out new stuff and this is how you have to stay relevant right. So it's it's easy to blow up. It's hard to stay there. It's hard to stay there with longevity right so you constantly. Whatever you did last year crumbled up though in the garbage can do something new to give people something that sink their teeth into your not average or boring or quiet or or or dull right. So so wh- When I was in Culinary School My instructor and the sauces and skills class this school day one by way right he So everybody everybody can walk in and you know how you Nouri little chefs code on the hat and everything right and he picks up the knife on my board feels it and he looks me in the eye. Any wolves is is. He says Bill Knife Bell Chef and he put the night that I walked away and I was humiliated. But that was the point of it right if you if your if your knife is dull if you're comedies though if your food is though you're all right so that's your message out to the world right at. That's your thing you're out there like Pumpkin used brand you to yourself to stay commercially competitive. Yala to yourself. Do like to be on the cutting edge. What's happening and to know if you're not right. And that's the thing about. That's what's always Kinda kept US relevant. My knife is never fucking never dull knife Dole chef might be my new. I've been I've been. I've been collecting quotes lately Gabby reese The volleyball player fresh football player. Television host athlete married the Laird Hamilton. She said the other day Take up space. So that's when I learned. I needed to take up space. She's like I'm six foot three and here I was trying to be cower and not get noticed and I realized you know what I'm GonNa take up some space. That fucking line for me was like how many times have you been there. Even when it comes to listening and you just don't listen you just make sure you don't fuck up we'll take up space and let yourself be the fuck up and then and be yourself can take up space. Be recognized you but dull knife Dole chef is like is like I mean you could say that. Don't dull dull knife. It's just it's really it's A. I love statements like that where you don't mean you don't you take more from it than maybe they meant but you go. Oh that's how I'm there we go. I found hanging my hat on something. You know yeah. Yeah because it's like if your knife is what else you GonNa let Slip Right. Like if you're if you're comedy is is is dull if your microphone is dull. Like what else you don't let slip and so like having that ability that self awareness which is always is super important for people that have the the opportunity to step into the limelight at some sort of notoriety. The at self-awareness is so incredibly important. To know if you're if you're maintaining something that's always kinda cutting edge always on the forefront happening and so yeah so it's been it's been a wild ride man it's been it's been amazing I love eleven more than ever and we're super happy. Now what's the what's the scariest you've ever been on a journey of his. You like once again. You guys were kind of like explorers in how to monetize being chef meaning like just more than open restaurants. What was the scariest you were whether it was opening a restaurant? Investing your own money or you know starting a book doing a press store a new show walking away from his show walking taking a break from food from chiampou gentle. Like what was the who what was What's The scariest you've ever been in adult well? I I've had a couple of moments in my life that that really liked. Set me back there right so I remember when I was twenty seven years old and and I hit a wall like working in restaurants professionally from fifteen to twenty seven like that was my life. Man was one hundred hours a week in the kitchen. And you either had Thanksgiving or Christmas off the never had both you never had any receive off and you never really had weekends off. You had like Monday Tuesday off and you always kind of worked in this like opposite I was like it was like opposite world for me right and so I kind of hit this wall because I was dating a girl in New York City who worked in fashion industry and she went on weekends and like like my job is starting to come become a problem. You know what I mean like like I said and I'm starting to realize that I didn't exist. And and the the normal world existed in the restaurant world so when the Food Network think popped up I I kinda like jump in Leptin blindly would both feet because I was just sick of it I would just like. I just can't I just can't do this anymore. Man It's just like having you know you'll must have a heart attack and see Kennel. The heads it kind of walk in Hitchin. You know when somebody's not someone's no-show note show right and then he goes. Okay okay now working salads. You're doing expo. You're doing this and you just Kinda try to get through and like but I remember the first time I walked into the set of a television show and and these are people who are. Just you know freelancers right video guys. Make up artists jacket producers grips lighting experts. Everybody I'm like. Do you work fulltime. I'm like no no. I'm freelance. I Miss Doing this for a couple of days. But then the the symbiotic relationship. They all kind of came together with level professionalism. Who is like? That's kind of fucking amazing. I kind of fell in love with with the team of working in television. So so that that moment when I was kind of in limbo burnt out working in restaurants and not really having a food network contract yet it was it was just kind of dark and and I had gone through a divorce at the time too and I had a very young baby and and so I was living in Brooklyn at the time I was on a street eighth street seventh and eighth and Park Slope and And she she left and went back to South Carolina and she took everything all of our stuff and we didn't have a lot of stuff. Anyway so I was twenty. Seven was making about fifty two thousand dollars a year limerick city which is hard even back then and And she took. She took our child Who's WHO's now twenty three years old by the way and the most lull human? Beanie lives here in California with us but she took our child and she took all of our stuff and she moved back to South Carolina. When I wasn't even home right and so I came back from the restaurant and they aren't was cleaned out. And I have anything I I had a pile of coat hangers on on the on the floor right and that was an and that was after you know Moved to New York City twenty one so that was after about six years of his hustle and hard you know and and And just trying to be the man and all of a sudden. I felt like this was a pretty dark days. And then the always pull out him right. You always gotta polite it and I always think to myself like the the the the the real challenging moments in my life is when I have bounced back the best right with with the best were and the best ideas and and that moment where you'd like your backbone makes you who you are as a person and then now like two thousand twenty the Milas pan-demic with my restaurant crashing food network. You know postpone a couple of seasons of stopping and you just have to quiet your heart be right. You know what I mean like. You're GONNA be okay. You're going to get the wall stuff because I think adversity it's like it's friction polishes so it's the adversity that you go through in your life that gives you the stamina to go through it again because you're GonNa go through it again right. There's things that happen to you that are from your own design which you kind of learn from in life and things happen you do. You have no control over and the best thing you can do. Just learn from those and start developing survival salts right and started. It's happened again. Two thousand eight men and the economic bouncer I remember when the executives a food network walking in rightly wrapped up Tyler's ultimate and. They said they're canceling three contracts. And I didn't and that was before we were because I just a television for fucking ten years man television cookbooks right and so and I kind of built up this sort of house of cards in a way where I was assuming food network will always be there and and it does. The money was good. The money was big man. I went from fifty fifty two thousand bucks a year to make a shit on money working on television and so I was like. Yeah whatever meant was rolex. Let's go get a Range Rover and let's get you house. Let's go and all of a sudden food network says yet. We're we're GONNA pause for a little bit because it was out of my control because all their advertising when he was starting to wrap up to because it was just it was just the world and and and I'm like Whoa who aren't burn through all of our savings and about About three months Fired all my employees Burnt all of our our liquid Oliver Stock and went down to what felt like close to bankruptcy man. You know and because we didn't really have a backup plan. We didn't really have anything that felt like. You know if this happens I get this of that happens like that and I said to myself when we get out of this and I know we will. This will never happen to me again right. So we started developing these like cheers of revenue between restaurants books and media appearances in different things that we always feel like we have a pipeline of cash. Always kinda coming in so and and being in business for yourself as you are right. Those things other. Something's always about to sunset right. You're always kind of in the middle of something that the contract is about the sunset right so on I am overly aggressive about keeping new ideas in the pipeline that that may not sure for a year or so but I know I'm working on the shit because like that thing that we're doing today won't be there forever man it just won't so you have to constantly replace yourself replace your ideas replace your business models over and over and over again and that's how you stay on top and sometimes you'll knock out of the park with a big one in some years you've stacking up little stuff right and it's okay right so some some years you're going after Wales and some years you scooping up minnows with net right but as long as you gotta play the Food Bro. As long as you got to play food and you doing what you love. That's all Nice. It's so funny man. I got you know how you must have felt in two thousand eight. I think started working for travel in two I when I was thirty. Seven forty seven out of ten years ago so two thousand nine. I guess And Burqa Conquer Kinda. Tell You my love. That show cough. Thanks it's so funny My kids just watched an episode. My kids never really saw it. They just never either too young. And so we willis. What was the first time you kids realize you're famous? I have an interesting an interesting. The first time I ever got recognized in front of my kids was that a magic Johnson's Fridays right by the airport. And it was and it was Sunday. I'd flown in on a Sunday morning and we decided to go to Magic Johnson's Fridays and have lunch. And I walked in birds. Concrete judge started airing and a bunch of black dues. Were in the bar getting ready to watch football and one of them saw me and was like I'm going to do girls rosary young at the time and I hear him just go. Oh Shit motherfucker and lose their minds and they come out and they all get pictures with me and have. The guys didn't even know who I was. They just knew that he recognized me but he was a fan of the show is like I love that show. I grew up in Ohio. I used to go to Cedar Point all the time. So then the comes up by the way for those. You don't know Magic Johnson's when he owned a business he An American employees. It was it was about. Communica creating revenue in the aftermath of Jimmy. Right all black restaurant. Usually all black people went there to eat before bucks movie theaters and so we sit down and then the manager comes over and he's like I. I'm not aware your show but I'm aware that a few of my my hatred. Love you and so We WanNA comp your meal and I was like Oh wow and so. I'm I'm literally like like like looking at my wife going baby. It's happening like it's it's happening. Yes like look at us. Check it out. All my daughter's realized they don't realize it but I got recognized for television. They just realized that black people love Dat right off two days later in the mall. And anytime my Dau- oldest daughter Georgia's all black person. Go Dad look look bad and also baby abby point that black you'll going. There's one right there so that was the first time I don't think they They don't really give a shit much for a very cynical when it comes to anything fame related. They're very like the mock me. Pretty Heavily Same Way Burr. Burn Burr Bill. Burr is one of my really good friends and my daughters are identical. Because for whatever reason and I think it's because I didn't get success older older age whenever I get a recognized. I I tend to match that person's energy someone's like Oh shit like oh it's up dude like a Metro Energy. Bur told me where. Xfl game he goes stop matching their fucking energy. Because you're getting more excited than they are. And then they try to get your energy. Now we have to fucking lunatics spinning out of Control and my daughter. Just mock it. They'd go the as soon as I started doing it. They do it to each other. Like they were recognizing each other all brother brother. Oh brother and so they. My daughters are brutal. Fifteen thirteen right. Now that's a really good ages. So I've got a my oldest son miles who in the cybersecurity industry and South Bay super talented incredibly smart guy and then my wife and I have a A twelve year old son daughter so I get the same age. Good God but Yeah so the second round because like miles my oldest coming grew up. Were the first wave of fame and and you know he was kind of with a kind of a different spike spike. You know a bunch of times over the years but that first spike you talking about like to like two thousand to two thousand four two thousand six. When I was emily DAUSI's lead in for five years on food network. Was like you know what we would do. Book signings in like Chicago for example and they would book borders two nights in a row on states. Reach Kogyo an APP. Six are fucking people two nights in a row signing books for six seven hours only got so like I'm with that that frenzy thing right because people when I walk on that level you gotta give them a little bit you can't you can't be dismissing. You gotta be gotta give him a little bit but But man like it's a with that level of fame especially when your kids don't realize it until they do now the second wave second round of this are located right when when my daughter is obsessed with like googling me right and she was like Dad. Did you see this thing on instagram? Somebody said something about you. Like how dare they? I'm like honey. Let's go who cares. Oh God I guess so but But she and it's also the other thing which is kind of interesting with her too because she doesn't like for me to over participate and a lot of things that she does like she's in a competitive dance group. Like your like your dance video. Like hip hop dance video. That she's eleven. She does at competitively right. Oh for real young. She's good she's really really good and she says it like it. When I picked up a dance class she doesn't like it when I sit with the MOMS. You know because like kids walk out and start going. Oh my God is Tyler Florence. Hey can I get a picture with you? And then they they'll they'll that will get reflected back to her and in the same thing happened with my oldest son to and and you might bump into this later in life like I know living here in San Francisco. It's like you know. Kevin System is started instagram. Jack Dorsey twitter like these are friends of mine. Just because we live in the same city and and here in San Francisco. Those techstars our our celebrities right. So like Tech Guys Jeff's right people ingest right and so when my oldest son Really want to get into the industry. The Tech Industry. I'm like let me make a phone call for you. Man I like I know mark many off you know I I know I know Kevin Sister I know these people let me just get you in. It was like Dad. Don't do it because they'll always look at me as your son versus versus versus. Who I am I right. And that's why I'm so proud of my oldest son. Because he got he got a job working with a cybersecurity company in South Bay and he got the job all completely by himself and had to go through some some difficult training to get certification and a couple of different special industries right especially specific Cyprus. I'll even though the fuck it is. But but he he did on stuff himself by the fame thing. You know it's I get a reservation any restaurant in the world I would. I would abuse that of our zoo. Either party trick. It's a party trick. Let people call me? Hey can you give them your reservation at Shammy Louis in Paris for two of us for tomorrow night? I'm like yeah fucking watch. This shit foam dawn right. Well she got those like that's fun but but the thing is it's it's it's something. I feel like my family. It is graciously patients through right like they understand that. That relationship pays the bills they get the right and I try to remind them from time to time that that all those people. That may seem a little obsessive. That's those are the people that Anna keep us. You know this reason. We've got a pool in the backyard. Mas- reason good private school. You know it's like so like as against another with someone early like he's never you never disrespect as thank God. Talk about several fast. 'cause I gotTa tell you there's like something that your generation of of comics kind of coming together as a team of comics in L. A. Specific right so so how you guys all stick together and then cross promote each other's stuff is kinda spectacular watch right because I consume a lot of youtube and even the comedy store when I go to La. I always go to Communist. Even if I go by myself because kind of like having that that that keen sense improv. To me like watching you guys do. It makes me a better performer on television. Sometimes but but how how you guys how you guys stick together in the cross promote each other stuff. Podcasts The special to me. That solidarity is kind of really refreshing. You know. I think it wasn't always that way. I think it was very competitive for a long time. It was always. There's only five spots available and who's going to get those five spots and I think I came up in that in a generation and I remember that that I I that kind of pushed me into travel. 'cause I travel channel so I was like I was like I I remember. T- I forgot birth conkrite tested for a Sitcom and it was like me fucking Chris Catan it was like the Weirdest Group of people and I was like this does not seem like my sensibility. Just started getting into trouble channel. And at that time Rogin and Carlos Mencia had a big falling out. I don't know if you ever saw that. It was like I've seen it. It was bank and I think what Rogan was doing was he was standing up for comics. He was saying this Rogan has always had a and I and I hate to put this all on Joe. He would definitely go. I don't know you talking about. He would definitely say that. But he's had an affinity in a love for originality and he gets inspired. What what what stirs. His creativity is seeing greatness like seeing people perform greatness. Always to this day. Whether it's an ultra athlete or a fucking a scientist or a politician or you name it if you are if you if you are great you do great things. Joe Rogan fucking fascinated music and he's inspired and so when that happened with with Carlos I think he was set off to the side like this outlier where it was like him. And you're not allowed to plan our game anymore. Stores kicked out. You See. You can go to the Improv. That your friends aren't there you can go to the Ice House. That's just a spot. But you gotta do your own thing and I think it really bothered Joe that he was kind of pushed out of the store and so he looked at it as like a Wanna. He wanted to help comics be original so when he started his podcast he was very very very adamant about putting you on putting you over a you need to start a podcast and I'd be like well. I guess he's Kevin do your own like you need to do your job. Your own content. You need to be your own ship you. He didn't start a podcast network. He just Kinda like you need to do your own thing you got it. And he meets a girl Joey Ari you name the list of goes on of guys he said you have to start a podcast yet and he said as soon as you get your watch them all tiger belly fighting the kid. I watch all of them. Yeah and how you guys stick together to me. I just think it's fascinating and I think Joe was the kind of driving force of we are stronger together than we are a part if we put each other together and put each other over together. If Whitney starts a podcast we all do our podcast. We bring on our podcast. We get her podcast to be great because she can get guests that we'll never get David Sedaris David Spade. Go over to her house and so when her pocket the bigger podcast gets when we have something to promote. We can go. Yo Indiana specials coming out to your podcast of course and so it's I think. La leaned into it. We learned that we had more to gain from each other than fighting each other. So when like delete delete specials coming out me Hemin girl or text and like how can we help promote it? Like what can we do momentum on our podcast you wanna come on our podcast and it's so it's been really good. I think I think that the people that are not like that in a weird kind of Lord of the flies kind of way we kinda weed them out. Notice that you're selfish and you don't WanNa play with the group or you want to go off and talk shit about people and and and be nasty and start rumors or whatever. I think we kinda go him. And that's how the Games played and I I don't know why or I'll tell you. It's a bizarre time to be a part of comedy especially in La. Because you know it's like I mean in you'd never have the biggest comic in the world. Which is joe arguably the biggest coming in the world being like hitting you up and going home in your specials premiering dot dot. When can I get you on the podcast to promote it? And you're like I mean it's just crazy and be all to be friends like me. Lee and Tom were texting this morning. Said put out this thing about a joke. We did together. My and my mom called. She's not I watched Leah's special and then I texted my mom. Loves your special. The Girls WanNa Watch it tonight. They don't believe I know you and so it's a really bizarre but you guys kind of had that to a little bit right. You know we we we we do and it's gone through a couple of like waves of of Camaraderie right. I mean when like so the South Beach Food and Wine Festival Aspen L. New York Seafood Festival. They used to be these moments. Where where we as a group would get together because often were just kinda ships in the night and an I? I wish we would because I use the reference of the the the wave of comedy. You kind of call this right now but like I grew up in the world is Steve Martin and Richard Pryor and George Carlin. All these guys were just like speaking the truth back in like the seventies and eighties an Eddie Murphy and like like those of the Comics. I used to like just like really. Just just like listen to and studying at their albums and listen to over and over and over again right but then like this next wave of of comedy. That's kind of coming out. It's not about you. It's about us right and so in in every time I'm in La I'm in La will nine a month but I use them ucla at least once a month. And every time I drive by the Chateau so I was driving down sunset. And I and I'll see that marquee at the comedy store and my boom like like I know all those guys because watch all your podcast and stuff on like I know I know everybody on there. It's like no it's like you know Cocoa Diaz is like. He's been fresh tonight's window. Joe That would make fucking day that usually pill till tell us at high. I don't I don't know personally but I I just feel like I I. You know I've watched the stars death on on on the Church of what's up right whatever it's got like. He's so funny. Man is so in shows so funny I so all you guys man. I'm Mike so like I I disagree and I wish that is I bring this up alive and I have a hard time describing it by bringing up a lot. There's a sense of camaraderie that I think we should develop a little more in the culinary world about promote each other because like now it used to be the thing where like I got a restaurant. I got a cookbook. And then if you're lucky enough to get a TV deal cool now if you don't have a restaurant cookbook a TV deal and a podcast series or you're doing something kind of independent in that world. You really not. You're not maximizing your exposure autoways right so so to meet my ex. I actually said this earlier today that you never want to like put yourself in a position where waiting to get picked right. Never so having this moment where it's like you're promoting each other stuff and everybody's gotta boats rising tide like everybody's making each other famous popular in a way where we were all like trying to quietly hustle deal and go go to auditions and go to readings and try to get the. Sitcom whatever it is and and kind of cut throat the other guy it just like nobody wins in that world. Yeah it's it's almost like you know this is gonna sound silly not to bring this back but it was like you know watching the the great food truck race the other day and I was like season twelve by the way men do that for eleven years now but it was interesting. They were all in Vegas. They're all going to different places and what's funny to me as I thought like Like it was like the the one guy went to the to the Vega signed the the the L. B. Q. Truck went to the LBJ. Take you headquarters. Which I thought was a fucking cheat because they guilty people in the now buying their stuff. It's like if they didn't buy their stuff. They felt like they were committing a crime so like but it was But it was really interesting. I thought as a comic in the way we operate I was like. Oh you guys should all just go and I know you can't do is but you guys all wanted the same parking lot the more food trucks around the more. I go older my options like. Yeah and that's what I tell them all the time like I quietly privately. Give them advice every episode right and then if I say something one team I'll make sure I'll circle back with other team and make sure they get that same little nugget of wisdom but I think you know when the trucks can join up together and then in that force it looks like there's a party going on versus you by yourself in the parking lot looking like a loser right like you're you're with three or four chunks. You look like a party and I WANNA I WANNA know everybody I wanna I wanna I wanNA party with all I think in the end. That's the way we kind of look at look. I've said I've I've said I've said privately. I've said publicly to every scripts which I now I think is all discovery now but every scripts talent that as long as I was over there I said every single one of them start a podcast. I said too. I said to To the president scripts. I can't remember his name. The guy that lived in Arizona the big big big house with the garage. I remember showing him. My Man Cave went time news. Let me show you mind. I saw car. Then he goes he goes. He goes like this. He goes zoom out of this thing and I go. Oh you pull your and as I pulled the fingers together. It was a massive space. It was like what is that a bad game and he was like I said I said always number one. Everyone should have their own podcast there. They they should've they should've Eight years ago started podcast network brought in the AD sales teams from food combined. Start THEIR OWN AD sales. It would be a game changer. A game changer. 'cause they already have talent end buyer set up to work together. I own my thing. I used to say as food network would always go up. We have the number one magazine in in the space. When it comes to food they would always say that upfront and I used to tell Gregory aside go say it the one time you know we have the number one lifestyle podcast network in the world one day. That's GonNa mean something that days now and I'm like every single one of you. I mean we do. Something's burning my cooking show. We released audio. Podcasts WE DO. Something's burning on cut where I just released from. The second of Mike goes onto the second of Mike's raw and we released the whole thing. And it's more downloaded than my regular podcast and is just is but it's you know what it is. It's just stealing what you guys did. I love cooking shows. I love hearing people talk about food. I loved it and and and I love the conversations that food brings in the conversations are always better. You always end up talking about your family your culture you talk about all these great things or you talk about nothing. 'cause you just haven't wine you're not holding. That's great. Yeah I would love. I want everyone to start a podcast while so weak a pot. And it's now my brand wolf down got started right so we we did Because it's hard it when we come up with a new brand we go to the discipline called naming the baby this cause because you can't think about what the name of the baby is now you have to think about how people are. GonNa make them in the third grade and a playground right so as to be very thoughtful name when you name a new project or start a new company. It's called naming the baby so we're trying to find this like witty like a food. Ism that felt like you know attainable the quick and simple so wolf down pop the blue right so I copyrighted it. I've got only domains the website and think about that right and then we started up. We started podcast back in two thousand. Two thousand seventeen started podcast and we did. We did in nineteen of back to back to back and they got a little expensive to build produce a I. I think a good piece of advice. Everybody's like how do you get over that Hump because you can't you can't produce crap right you can produce it's unedited but you but you can't produce crap it's gotTa have some sort of like you know role in music underlay yacht to do commercials yet to have some sort of policy so to get people that tool that can give them the ability to cross over the dry part where? You're just doing it to do it until you get twenty thousand downloads at week. Twenty five thousand dollars a week is. That's always the thing is. It's not like we need the money but is just starting to burn from other pockets of cash that we had is pain for producers and stuff like that. Keep the whole thing going. So how'd you guys jump in podcasts? World immediately sponsors all kind of lined up immediately have all. This is part of the network to. That's what that is is that is like you said it's that. Camaraderie so at one point when I was on travel upside this story. A million times fans but Rogin endure backstage to the store and I got off stage and they said I felt like they were talking about me. And I said what's going on. And they said you show socks I go really and then like triplet trip flip and they're like it's not you. It's not who you are. You're not that guy you're not a TV host your comic in your podcast like embargoes. What's your nose like what he goes what I told him he was like. Okay all right. He's like well. We'll get your sponsors. We'LL GET YOUR AD sales rep. We'll get you. We'll figure it out but just back on stage just get away from travel channel and then luckily I think her name is courtney white fired me and same thing to happen to you. We don't work done. It was a pleasure. I never actually worked with her greatest. I named her because I'm so grateful that she did it she goes. It was the best thing that ever happened me. I didn't see it at the time I was like. You said I was panicked. I was lost. I was like what am I going to do? It was the lowest part of my life. I was just like but I. My friends stepped up and they were like we need. Get Your podcast to fifty thousand dollars at the time that was the threshold. We gotta get you fifty thousand downloads. An APP suite for per after so they all jumped on my podcast. They're all the big names accommodate. Just started getting on my podcast and they were like that that to me is is that kind of camaraderie. I I wish other sectors would do that right because like it's It's a that teamwork right. We're all GonNa get this together and collectively. You've you've reinvented common enemy like you've really. You've reinvented comedy. For a whole new generation of people introducing all new characters and new favorites. Like like Krista. Leah's podcast like that's that's so that's so interesting. Because he doesn't really have. He just fucking rifts off the top of his head for an hour and a half about fucking nothing. But it's so funny to watch Mr to do it right. And everybody's hot cash is a little tiger belly. That's like tiger. Bell is the best podcast today. Add fucking pain back and forth thing. That is the funnest fucking podcasts. Do in the universe about it. We'll do when you come out when next time you can win. This shit gets over and got your restaurants and your restaurants opening with the with the warriors to make a trip down to la. I'll put you on everyone's podcast. You'll do a podcast Ron. It's great press the people that listen to podcasts. They love good booze and good shows and they love good food or wine will be fun. It'll be a blast and I'll get you on tiger belly like it'll be we'll do a podcast run together where we just go and you gotTa Joey The S.'s. Either fucking started death and do Joey de Esa bring it. Bring us some possum. An Apostle of I wish I could get you guys. I know. Food's very pro proprietary about who gets on cooking Wish I could bring you guys on. Something's burning I would love to have you. Do I have a very old school contracting so. I'm clear to do anything I want to do. You know what I mean like like I work with network and I was like I can't. I can't remember the exact terms of what I can't do it somebody else but all this stuff is clear. I mean I I could not get out of here. I know you have a busy day but man I could talk to you for hours. I haven't even scratched the surface. So if you want to do another one of these while we're in quarantine if you've got a free day I would love talking you again. Let's do it I I never even got to well. You know and honestly like I could talk to you and talk to all of your your your your colleagues you know and like this space right now because I'm such a fan of Combo right. I mean I'm such a fan like for years like I would if I were if I was in L. A. Shooting I would go to the comedy store by myself and watch comics for fucking hours. I mean I I like Whitney Cummings. I saw her like fifteen years ago. It's like it's like doing doing her thing. And and so to me like I like seeing all you guys be so wildly successful and collectively as a group rise to the top of the Genre and away but no one's really standing out everybody's collectively as a group and with no ego and I love the way you guys bus each other's balls on on on podcast and stuff like that. She's like and the fighter and the kid is that fun. What Oh fuck yes. That's brutal I can. I count on his like human PROZAC. Man He makes me Giggle. Hard as fuck and Brennan. Shaab is a huge baby. Greenwich Saab Is Straight Up Athlete. Like you forget. What a fucking athlete is. He's in like or like. Oh He's a beast beast. He did a hot spin with me one time and you forget oh he was also a professional athlete like he just his his goal mode is different than the average humans go mode and he's also like like a man so he's like you didn't bring any waters we just grab your water bottle. Takes a SIP puts back stuff that like collide society ignored like doesn't do any job is right there. He's like a big thumb. Yeah and and Bryan callen. Listen to everybody's sort of like buster balls his friends. I'll tell you what I'm GonNa do a press run for you of podcast with all our all all my buddies and all the ones you love because new and Brian. Cowen need to go out to dinner together. He'd like he yeah. He's big food like legit big food. Like I mean. He was probably the last person in restaurants when corona virus it and he was like non one more meal. Right during like the podcast. He's always liked wine and cheese. Oh Yeah he's a legitimate booty and one of the sweetest funniest guys in the fucking world like. Oh funny blast dude. I'm GonNa let you get out of here. Why Thinking I. I've been a fan for probably twenty twenty years. It is so great to talk to you. I've I feel like I feel like we're family because we are under the same umbrella for such a long time and I feel like we've had similar paths and lives in that when you talked about you know two thousand eight and pulling back contracts. I was there and that that backbone thing in this if we can put a stamp on this of like Motif that backbone thing what everyone's going through right now is like this is the strong your strongest. Hit your broken parts and you gotta let them try to break you and and that we're all going through that right now and and some people are much more extended say myself. Or maybe you or maybe or maybe calendar maybe Brennan shower maybe Rogan. Maybe it's a lot tougher for a lot of people. I think that's the clear part but but it's everyone's GonNa look back and go okay. I got I got I got through it and and I think that's the message for everybody right now. You're you're you're going to get you're going to get through it. You got it most important things to healthy and And and be really really Kinda of everybody because you know. I have no idea what somebody else's Day but no this will this will pass. We'll be okay but went for us to and stuff like this right. I mean we're we'RE NOT GONNA. We're not going to let the flame go out on anything then never grow. Never like I I so as much as you love. Awesome Food Network. I gotTa Tell You I love you guys back because like you crack me up every fucking day you know what I mean I love. I love paintings to the podcast. I marvel at the solidarity of all you guys can hang together through thick and thin and And especially now I have like burn through all of like the new stand up comedy specials on Netflix. Because I'm sick of bad news. I don't want to over and over again and I I gotTa tell you like you you. You are the top of your game. You're fucking funny. Like everyone else is telling jokes your storyteller and I think in this really kind of like Mark Twain away like you've got this ability to hold people's attention by telling a story that really happened you and it's very authentic and it's fucking real circle brother nothing but respect and love. Thank you so much. Let's get through this. Get you down to La. Look at that beautiful German short haired pointer. I'd rather than just show up here in California. You know dislike cooking hanging out in life and and You guys eating for dinner tonight. what are we? GonNa eat tonight. You know having bought about a man. We got some stuff in the kitchen New York Strip. I guess when you accepted came in I've got this. Is the fun thing about being a chef and quarantine people send you like so working with our our Miami distributor crank out at a Oakland. I just got a big box of like some dope stakes man. 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Episode 99: What if the world was powered by hamsters? - Animal Grab Bag

Absurd Hypotheticals

52:40 min | 3 months ago

Episode 99: What if the world was powered by hamsters? - Animal Grab Bag

"The. Food for was what if we had nine lives blooded pits. UPS or if money through on trees if we did nappy. Back then. Insert. Medical Hello, everybody and welcome to absurd hypotheticals the show. We ever think dumb questions, so you don't have to I'm your host. Marcus Lehner and I'm joined here today by Christie and Ben Storms. Say Guys Ham Chris Hey. I'm Ben guys for for a wonderful ninety nine th episode. We're going to take a complete left from what we normally do and talk about animals. GonNa run animals eventually. Yes, I think it's just because we had so many different animal questions couldn't quite make full episode, so we fell back on our good friend. The grab bag. So today instead of answering just one hypothetical question, each of us has taken a different hypothetical question about animals over arching theme here and. We all did our own answer. We all each each covered one answer for one question instead of all covering the same question I don't know that was hard to explain. Simple concept very simple concept. So, Ben, you had our very first question. So why don't you start? Yes, so the question that we are. We are laying off with here is what if the entire world was powered by hamsters? we mean like literal electrical power. Fight you're GONNA say hamsters and get little electrical hamsters, literal electrical hamsters I guess. Technically it is literally electrical hamsters kind I mean no is not literal hamsters. I mean it's figuratively. Anyway, playing with hard point being, we're going to power the world with hamsters. So, I guess to get started. We had to figure out how much power after can actually generate so figured the cleanest way to do this with regards to like you know hamster power. Is RHIANNA wheel 'cause? That's the thing that has just do naturally well, not I guess naturally, but captures run naturally. We put them on wheels I. figure it out. You get the idea. So we can calculate. None of work than a hamster does running on a wheel right so work is especially the force. Applied or something over a distance measuring jewels, while one jewel is a force of one Newton acting on object and direction of that forces motion for a distance of one meter. So pretty. Simple you can break worked out into just four times distance. In this case, the force supply is going to be just the match the Hampshire. Panthers moving. The most popular like pet hamster breed is the Syrian hamster or golden hamster or teddy bear hamster execute. which is what you think of new. Hampshire is that Hampshire right. And adult Syrian hamster ways four point two to four point, four ounces, or around one hundred twenty grams. The distances moving is going to be just the distance reuss, which it turns out that Syrian hamsters will actually run around nine kilometers or five and a half miles per day, which is absurd just to I wanna put it out there, that's. Right like hamsters are really little. Guess. Move around. Yeah, right right exactly right like it's pretty embarrassing when you think about it. So, we can use that. You can figure out the work done by Hampshire. In one day is ten thousand, five hundred eighty four jewels which to move it into unit. That's US actually four power. Is Point zero zero two nine four kilowatt hours. So what's a kilowatt hour? I thought we were talking about on the show before, but to review a kilowatt hour at simple, it's the power used using one co out of power for one hour. I know it's complicated. You preface that by saying we talked about before and that it was complicated and you're GonNa Cup, and then it's like yeah, it just set. The unit is literally exactly what it sounds like. It's literally just the two things the name. Sometimes, science makes things a little bit easier appreciated. So we have, our partnership was actually not quite that simple. Because when you generate power through mechanical process like this, you're GonNa have losses Greta just because these these systems aren't perfect right, so start off your lose some power just because of the the motion of the wheel right is not moving perfectly smoothly. You'RE GONNA. Lose some some power that way I didn't. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I couldn't find an exact like amount of percentage power lost from a hamster wheel for some reason that number wasn't available online, so I used instead for for these losses is how article on bike generators that described the losses from from that which pretty much the same you know principles. So, skiers said so you have the loss from the wheel and the bike generators that losses around ten to twenty percent of the power generated. You're gonNA need a battery because hamsters are nocturnal and I want to use my power, not just at night personally. So raised about reverse solar power problem. Right exactly if you have if you have Hampshire, you can power anything you want to well anytime. You want not anything well. Okay! I'm going to point out. If you have a son, you can proudly power anything you want. Okay Fair Fair. Answer so. In that end the battery you're going to lose ten to thirty five percent of the power as well and then find a way to get out of the battery converter to move back into alternating current, and that's GonNa. Lose another five to fifteen percent, so your total loss somewhere between forty, two and six hundred and a half percent, which side note this is why bike generators suck because. Yet to do a lot of work to get even less power than you should expect beginning so anyway best case scenario, let's hear. We're getting down to four percent loss. That's point zero zero one seven co what hours so let's give some context for that number so something we all have to. Assume. We ought to podcast. How much do you need to charge your phone? So I found a task for someone had basically measured the drain of their phone. During overnight charge so these an iphone six plus. And that? Charging took on average nineteen point two watt hours, so our hamster, his point, zero zero one seven kilowatt hours, which is one point seven hours, which means that you're one. Hampshire is GonNa take eleven point three days to charge a phone, which is not ideal. However I'm going to say that. Is the pessimist glass half empty? Where think about things I'm going to say as an optimist, but it means if you have twelve hamsters, you can charge your phone at one night. there. You Go From there. Let's go off a little bit. So what if you want a power your whole home with hamsters? So in two, thousand, eighteen, the average annual electric consumption for a US like resolute utility customer. So now it's not just like full homes includes apartments and stuff, but it's GonNa be a pretty good average was ten thousand nine hundred seventy two kilowatt hours per year, which is about thirty kilowatt hours per day so using that point zero zero one seven hours per hamster. We're GONNA eat about seventeen, thousand six hundred forty seven hamsters the power home. which is getting a little a little problematic? Because probably got several. More homes destroyed many hamsters. But we can still go bigger because we need to. You know power. One home is not enough. 'cause powering everything so. I figured that the obvious next step would be to see how many hamsters. To replicate a nuclear power plant, since not as much of our powers, nuclear probably should be, but a decent chunk is so let's that's a good starting point. So the smallest nuclear power plant in the United States is the R e Geena nuclear power plant in New York, as a single reactor, says pretty good, pretty good test case for our Hampshire system. In twenty, eighteen, that power plant generated four. Six. Hundred Eighty, nine, million, four, hundred forty thousand kilowatt hours, which is about two point, seven trillion hamsters worth. Await how we're going to cut this because that's a year. My entire into. Oh No, it's not. It's not entirely wrong. Factories a matinee quickly hold on. Okay all right I'm going back as it happened, instead of. Rafter Christopher doing his answer or something. Not a giant water drop situation. Yeah, exactly. Like that one so in two thousand eighteen, this this plant generated a total of about four point seven trillion kilowatt-hours, which is about twelve point eight billion kilowatt hours per day so in hamster power. This is going to require around seven point five five seven billion hamsters. which admittedly it's a lot right slot. Yeah Yeah. So! Yeah, so for giving us some some problems. Which speaking of we obviously have to probably Hampshire somewhere, so if hypothetically like the show, we are going to make this this hamster nuclear plant. How big would have to be so from what I can see? The minimum humane hamster cage size is about two cubic feet. Recommend like. Like one by two feet like rectangle was a foot tall. So. It's GonNa. Be About fifteen billion cubic feet. Running a warehouse. In, the cubic foot costs is around twenty five to forty five cents per cubic foot. I'm assuming this is per month I couldn't actually find that stated anywhere I looked at. A bunch of places and they all the same phrases, but never how frequently so whether it was building or buying or renting it right I? Think it's I'm assuming from the context that looked like rentals I'm assume as rental per month. Which means that we spending about? One point nine trillion to three point four trillion dollars eight billion dollars. Sorry lost my units one point nine billion to three point four billion dollars on Hampshire storage every month. Although admittedly, it probably cost more than that to to run. Smart Avenue. Now that would that would be the nail in the coffin from nuclear power, wouldn't it yeah and yeah and the average warehouse? In Twenty nineteen was about one hundred, eighty, four thousand square feet, roughly thirty feet tall, so it'd be about twenty five hundred warehouses full hamsters. Obviously we're ignoring you know food and Water and Oh God the Pu problem. But but I guess overall it would be. You know obviously expectedly pretty impractical to run everything hamsters, and just because I couldn't help myself I. also apartheid calculate how many Hampshire's would take to power the entire United States, Shumpert, the, and about six point four, trillion Hampshire's I honestly don't think that many hamsters in the world yet I was Gonna ask that. What's the population upstairs? Yes? I really tried on that one I knew that was going to be. A question came up. I couldn't find that. The closest I could find was an estimate of three hundred thousand hamsters as pets in the UK in two thousand eighteen. which I mean that means there's definitely a lot of hamsters in the world like, but it's definitely in the scale of like millions, not trillions. I think if there were truly of Hampshire's no world, we probably wouldn't notice. So overall I think the big thing we've learned here's at hamsters are pretty inefficient generating power slackers. Although I did find there is one additional way could actually generate power from hamsters. Jet Power has been generated from hamsters, which is just by their natural movement. So there was an experiment that Rousson Yangyang, Keen Shengli, and Gaungzhou at Oh and John Wong did. In two thousand nine. A paper called converting biomechanical energy and electric by muscle movement driven Nanna generator. Basically, what they did. was make tiny little vests out of these like like conductive threads, and then put them well the first thing that was put them on like their fingers and mind like clicking and. Stuff and and basically the stretching of the the the muscles created like peas, electric potential which we're able to. An actually generate point one two point one five volts just from this slightly small movements. What they didn't also did was make a tiny vast and a hamster, and did the same thing. Because I don't know. I guess that's the next step once on your hand. Imagining isn't there a movie? It's reminded me of like a spy hamster movie that I think exists there. Is that one I think it was, was it? It was guinea pigs. Right? Hold on, yeah. Guesses hamsters Guinea pig. Yeah, I think it was g force. UNGAVA G force if you Google G. Force. This because of my search history or just the world general. Just G force. The film was the second thing that comes up which is really funny. Nicholas, cage, WHO's in this? Yes, this is exactly the movie as imagining and Steve The shimmy. Wow, this is something Sam Rockwell Tracy Morgan Penelope Cruz. Well, then okay. That's something has also the second result in Google Sir so is directed by Hoyt H. eat man. That is the only thing he has directed although he did work for Jerry Bruckheimer on, Armageddon con hair in the rock. So that's you know. Apparently, he was at visual effects. Guy Before this and I would guess also affects after this well. He clearly wasn't a director after. This is literally. The only thing is directed. On the WICKER PDF agent knows the G force role director notes debut film. That is true, also only film and Best Phil But as wars film. Yeah, as long as. It's all all true. But was I even saying cheese Anyway Yeah I guess you could also put a little vessel. The hamsters so that you get some extra power I couldn't get any like this is obviously not a thing that people have done beyond this one study, and they have any convenient numbers there or really all that may numbers at all. They were pretty much focused more on like it working than the power generation from a hamster. That wasn't really the goal, so I couldn't get any good numbers. How much we'd increase our generation by ally. Go be that much. Not The put this material unlike people instead of. I think that's that was the the I remember hearing about? Others like in wired back when it first happened I. Think I think the idea eventually was you buy like a like a hooded sweatshirt or something? That would be made with this material in it. And then you could like. Plug your fine to walk around. You. Charge your phone i. just think it's some combination of expensive and not good enough that it hasn't really come to fruition. Else might fall into the the technological sinkhole that is people. Don't WanNA. Wear something stupid, right. I mean you can weave it in their snuggie. snuggie is exist. It would yeah I. Don't know I guess overall if if the rules powered by Hampshire's a lot more hampered around. Around and I guess that's probably a pretty clear. Take Away I. Only have one of them that I mean I just need you to say trillions of Hamsters at some point in in this. That's all I wanted to cancerous. Yeah, we got there. We got the supernatural hamsters anyway Chris. You do so the the question. I covered was what if your heartbeat as fast as hummingbirds so I can start with the short answer, you would die all right cool. Right. The long answer, let's get more into it. You would don. So, a humming birds heart beats at it can. It varies a little bit like if they're flying, it can get up to twelve hundred sixty beats per minute, which is twenty one beats per second, which is crazy to me putting the fudge? Yeah, him was cool is a cool fact. So the normal heart rate for a human at resting rate, it ranges from sixty to one hundred beats per minute. Depending on like how healthy you are GonNa, say going to be lower than that also. I rushing her is like forty. Yeah Ben. We get at your heart. Rate's low, anyway continue. Yes that's that's the resting heart rate the so if you're exercising stuff, obviously hurry. It's GonNa, be higher so the the upper limit of a healthy heart rate. While you're exercising, it depends on your age. They usually say they said a subtract your age from two hundred twenty, and that's the beats per minute that your your system can handle. So what happens if you have a rapid hardaway, the medical term for a rapid heart rate is multi focal atrial tacky. CARDIA And generally a high heart rate in humans means set. Your heart is less efficient at pumping blood it means you're less healthy, and that in turn means that you're circulating less oxygen throughout your body, even your heart radio. Your heart is beating faster is kind of counterintuitive like that so like athletes they have their healthier and they have lower hydrates. Ben? that I I think. The strong where there. It is thank you for calling me strong Marcus I said the word was strong. And A and here what I want to hear. So. Why is it? Why is this like counterintuitive thing happening? Why does fast I mean you're less healthy? The reason is because if your heart is pumping faster as less time between pumps, for the chambers of your hard to fill with blood, so each pump is pumping less blood, which means say or pump the same amount of blood, your heart as to work twice as hard and if it's if it's pumping less blood per beat that means it's pumping Lewis Jn per being less oxygen is getting circulated in your body so when I say hi I like one hundred thirty is what they're talking about. Hundred and thirty beats per minute, obviously twelve, twelve, hundred and sixty from is way past that limit, so we're just like on a completely different level and. That level would probably kill you as I alluded to my short answer, but why doesn't this late? Why doesn't this kill Hummingbird? Why do hummingbirds? How can they exist with this fast heartbeat? Part of it has to do with the size of their heart, so they have the largest heart to body ratio by weight of any animal so their heart makes up two point five percent of their body weight. So sincere heart is bigger it. It doesn't have to pump. The blood is far in in the body so easy to pump blood, and the other reason is because of red blood cells, red blood cells are the primary way that we distribute throughout our body and humans so imen- they typically have five to six million red blood cells per micro leader, and then women have four five million per micro leader. hummingbirds have the highest concentration of cells of any mammal, so they have. have six point five million per leader, so that just means that they have more oxygen in their blood that circadian round, so even though it's pumping faster and which with each pump that's pumping less blood doctrines more concentrated, so that's sort of why it works bird, so let's assume that it works in to it that we don't have this inefficiency problem where our blood where our heart is is not really working the way supposed to. Let's assume that it's the same. Efficiency is just faster so if this is the case that means that with each pump of the heart were still circling, the same oxygen is just. There's way more pumps, so we're circling way more action than we actually need. And this is also bad, so if you have too much oxygen as what's called Hyper Oxy, a- and short-term effects of this, so you can get oxygen, toxicity and symptoms of this are nausea, Vertigo and severe spasmodic valve, vomiting the. Term. And Monte vomiting. And then another symptom of this is an increase in what's called reactive oxygen species, or for short they're basically molecules contain oxygen that react with biological tissue. These increase in your body. Normally your body has anti-oxidants. Combat's these by the increase in your body than these antioxidants can get depleted, and we'll absences that these are s molecules, they a oxidized with your tissue, your organs, which is not a good thing, so they've tested overexposure of oxygen in various animals, and these animals see symptoms like irritation. Congestion swelling lungs and potentially death. So just another way die so that's why I don't have the panthers power things because we're stuffing them. We're busy stuff done with protests. Like this little help, but it doesn't so I doesn't this over this abundance of Oxygen Kill Birds? Because again we have a system that works hummingbirds, and they don't die, so the reason for this is because they have a super high metabolism, so excluding insects hummingbirds actually had the highest metabolism of any animal. is actually hundred times higher than an elephant so tablets. You don't really know that much food tablets on it. It's basically just the process of converting food and energy, and there are a lot of moving parts within metabolism that are related to metabolism, but one of the parts is called. Cellular, Reps Respiration And this is the part that basically takes the oxygen. It uses yes, jen to break down the food so we don't have the abundance of oxygen anymore because it's using it to break down food. So humming birds, they use this process to break down the nectar. DO THEY DRINK? They drink a lot to the has Italian sugar and that in turn fuels their flight? That's that's why they kind of need that much. That high metabolism is because I need to fly, so let's assume that we have time Tableau ISM and that we don't have the oxygen over oxygen eight oxygenated problem anymore. If that's the case that means, we're going to be burning a lot of calories, because metabolism burns, calories, and for Bernie oughta calories that means that we need. Need to increase our intake of calories so I can find exact numbers on this for like oxygen consumption I had to approximate so hummingbirds consume about ten times the amount of oxygen per gram of muscle tissue as an elite human athlete that that basically just means say If we have this high metabolism, we need to eat ten times as much as an elite athlete in order to sustain ourselves so I want to look in example. I want to pick an elite athlete, and for the person I picked. I. Picked Dwayne the Rock, Johnson. Mainly because I covered this in a previous episodes I didn't have to look up anything. I just looked at my old notes. So in episode, Fifty, nine I found that he eats five thousand calories per day over seven meals, fricking insane. Yeah, I know now with our with our hummingbird metabolism rate. That means. We need to eat fifty thousand calories per day. It's a lot of calories just to put that into context. Little Bit Chicken Nuggets. If you were to only eat chicken nuggets, you'd have to eat eight hundred and forty eight chicken nuggets per day. Or if you were to only eat big MACs, you'd have to eat eighty nine big MACs per day. The fifty thousand calories. It was hard to imagine the chicken nuggets, but the eighty nine big MACs really. I don't think it was sitting your stomach for that long least. Metabolism would. Fair enough all right it really does. It's small enough, but large enough number that it's. comprehendible and still terrifying at Yeah I. Know what it feels like to eat that second big Mac and it doesn't feel good yet, so you're gonNA, have to eat a lot, but technically you could survive based just based on caloric intake view. I guess the problem is if you had this high metabolism, metabolism is actually fairly inefficient. In the way it converts energy, and a lot of that energy is released as heat so about seventy five percent of of the energy that you convert from food is released as he so the average person without a high metabolism releases about sixty jewels of heat per second. Now if we are consuming fifty thousand calories per day. We are going to be releasing about eighteen hundred jewels per second, which is three times the normal rate so over the course of a day that would add up to about one hundred and fifty seven mega jewels of per day. Now you might be asking. How much is that actually because I? Don't know I don't know the Julius. But I just. How many kilowatt hours as Well so in terms of heat, one hundred and fifty seven Mega Joel's is enough energy to raise fifteen hundred liters of water from zero degrees Celsius, one hundred degrees Celsius, so from freezing to boiling why to use them booths like. That's such a random amount of a random amount of of everything for that measure. That's the that's the I looked up. What did yours and that's the comparison to give? The Not exactly by scaled it up. Okay, fair enough. Well. The reason I chose fifteen hundred leaders of why you might be asking is because that's the typical amount of water that hot Holtz. Now it all makes sense. Yeah, so if you are in a hot tub, it's completely insulated perfectly, and you sit in it and you have this high metabolism and the water's at freezing temperature by the end of the day it will be boiling. Girls check this out. No wait, wait wait wait. Hours. You can get around like. Even get it around noon. It'll be. It'll be perfect then and you're. GonNa. Want to very much at one o'clock out again. I mean they're not gonna be having to worry about that because you probably already figured out, but you cannot survive the. Right. So I tried to look at. The combustion temperatures of skin. I can find it. But in terms of water up to sixty percent of the human body is made of water, and it's far less than fifteen hundred leaders, so we would probably literally boil from the inside if we had this high metabolism I mean it'll be sweet released after the thirty eight big MAC frame. I don't know I'd probably rather die from starvation than boiling from the inside. But we have a lot of options for how we're going to. So that was the short answer is you're going to die, but we have we. We might die in a lot of different ways. You know there's so much options as like a betting pool. And that pool is going to raise two billion roughly a day. Yeah, that's the longest odds is is the. You, drowned in the hot tub. You boy, right? So. That's why I had marcus when you do, my question was what if you are actually raised by wolves? So I thought this was actually just like a straight fictional thing. And it kind of kind of isn't. So there's some real life examples of what they'll say raised by wolves, but what the actual Muniz feral children is the technical term for them, the most famous of which of which a lot of the raised by wolves things are. They had movie and some couple books, and all that in the mid Forties Marcos Rodriguez, Toyota was born, and at the age of seven he was sold to you know from his family to another family who then abandoned him, and then he was left out in the wilds. He survived in the alone in the wild for fifteen years until he was twenty two years old. So go through store. He did encounter wolves during this time, so there was souris of him, being very young and wander into a it was a storm it was raining and he wandered into a cave, not really a little wolf cave, but there were Wolf pups there. And He ended up lying down next to the wolf pups and when the wolf mother came home, instead of murdering him, actually kind of like helped him out, and she shared with him the meat that she hunted that she was sharing with her with her. So that was kind of Nice so, they do have that. What they do have that instinct to help. They would help a wolf. Mother would help a human child like you know they have that. Mothering instinct can offer over a little bit so good news for that you could. The wolf wants is eat you generally. But I found interesting about this. Though is kind of like the problems. He had coming back into society. So like there's some obvious things like you know. Speech problems forgot would make animal noises in his He had trouble communicating things. There was a funny story of one of his early days back and say back. He was like arrested. Because people report somebody wandering around the woods, he got arrested and dragged away from the from the forest he didn't. Decide to. Come back to civilization. He was kind of forced to. But, anyway he was telling a story about when the early days where there was a a radio was playing in his room when he woke up, and he thought people were trapped inside the radio and he couldn't find like a door latch or anything. He's like Oh God. Those people have been there for so long, and he smashes radio opened, which of course both radio, and the voices stopped and he thought he murdered them how? How long was he with the wolves? And what age he come back, so he eight seven was when he was sold and abandoned so h that will start off in the woods He was in the woods for fifteen years until he was twenty two. Okay, and he seven sound kind of old I'll say this. He did not have a happy childhood so I imagine you've got less development than some other kids did. But interestingly, because because what happens, is he's he becomes kind became kind of a case study for psychologists, because you're now taking the nature, nurture away from the nature, so you can see what carries over for humans, and what doesn't so one of the things. He got backing civilization us able to actually pick up language again not without too much difficulty like I said he he had had weird accents and things. and. Also animal sounds that he still like to use, but the biggest thing missing that he never really recovered was being able to respond to social cues. Because when we grow up. Of course, you're surrounded by people time you know you're always interacting with people and you pick up. All the things that are expected from you in a conversation like you know what what reaction you're going to get when you say things, you know like all the subtle movements and all that he just had like none of that, so you know people say interacting with him was very typical because he would just. Not that it was like. But like he would look anybody in the eye. You'd always what he started. Straight down the ground and he would just you know, go off on ten and all these buckwald thing so kind of study in the again in the social interactions. The one big one that was a problem in his life. That is kind of sad and I think a little funny. The same time was he would just get scammed a lot. By people in the streets, and I'm sure like any other. You know like here. Try this I'm selling some selling not. So into the wiles came, civilization had some trouble difficulty Justin got scandal lot, and basically he just concluded that he liked living with the animals better, and he was like just as he as he aged, and you know he was part of human society people. Would you know come in firm for a story and you know you? He places to work in different places, but he would very regularly escape back into the wild for periods of time because he basically live, animals live with people and concluded that people suck. Did you say what year this happened? Like? What time period he was born, nineteen, forty six, this was around the sixties. Okay, but interestingly the the raised by wolves. Story you know goes back and back and back. There's another one in the eighteen hundreds in France, and by eighty dollars I mean literally eighteen hundred. Where the wild child known as Victor Avalon was found. They don't know how long he was living out in the wild, but he was definitely. FERAL And what about this one is that? He he came back into into civilization and this guy. This medical student jean-marc spot. It's hard. Hoped to study him, so we kind of took the boy in the tended to. Having become civilized to understand enough. He's able to understand spoken language how to empathize low humans able to get into. Teach reach civil words. But it was getting him to speak thousand problem, so when it came to speaking victor, two words, light and Odu, which are the French words for me and God Which? About is probably the more versatile words could use. And then it goes on a card soon became frustrated with the lack of progression and gave up. Quote from talk. Quote that the hard road of Victor before after giving up on him. Finally seeing that the continuation of my efforts in the passing of time brought about no change I resigned myself sesame of giving up any attempt to produce speech and abandoned my people to incurable dumbness. Owns like. CAJAL. Gene Way to stick with it. Then the earliest one I have is the Hessian Wolf Children, which I couldn't find too much info about 'cause multiples actually German, but this was a story from thirteen, forty, one where reportedly again, this was thirteen, forty, one so great assault was three years old when he started his life in the woods and he they're saying this could actually live with a wolf pack and the wolves would. Share within the meat from kills, and they would actually dig built him a nest in the winter where they would like you dig a hole, bring him leaves and things that he could cover himself with to stave awesome the cold, it was written a few places like a few different sources from thirteen forty-one. But who knows how accurate those are I I would say again take it with a grain of salt, and he had kind of a similar experience to Marcos where he was brought into civilization kind of paraded around a bit like he was brought to a duke as a As they say. And similarly to reintegrate up, and he came to the conclusion that you know. What's better, people suck. And those are really the three main examples I could find of. There's a bunch more of Ferrell. FERAL children being raised by different things like there was a kid raised by sheep. And then they have like you know bearers and dogs and things I separate dogs will a bunch of people raised by the family dog quote unquote. After the parents died or an accident or something, the in the family dog would help protect the kid, and then they would say. The kid was raised by the dog, and it's like well. We're they kind of maybe sort of. My favorite though is there's a a boy named Dara who was lost by his parents in the Sahara desert at the age of two where he was adopted by ostriches rose at age of twelve, he was rescued and taken back to society, and his parents feel like ostriches are pretty aggressive, right? Apparently not if they're your parents. And so other, this one's like from like two thousand like this is like a recent story, so maybe not wolves, ostriches, or the way to go because to. It's pretty frigging young. But I kind of want to look at so. Ignoring the the the stories of other people who have lived the wild. What if you were actually raised by wolves from the very start so I kind of looked at the timetable for how the how the Wolf MOMS will raise their pups. And it's not ideal for humans. So from birth from birth to two weeks old, the pups are nursed by the mother. They lean on the you know they. They suck on the milk. So for the first two weeks, you know humans and Wolf pups counting the same thing, just the mom drinking the milk. I'll give it to that I. Assume the wolf. Of Won't be. Toxic But generally you got those first two weeks or easy mode. Weeks two to five are slightly more complicated. So at this point about three weeks the Trying to wean the puffs off the milk which? You might recognize the sooner than humans do that. And so what they do to bring what they do, feed their pups is they will go out and hunt, and they will bring back meet, but it's like regurgitate it, so they have recruited me that they're feeding the pumps, and so i. don't know exactly the consistency of what is to be like I'm happy. I don't. I don't have a very clear mental image of what that's going to be. So. This is where it's Kinda. Of, would you be able to eat that regurgitated? Meet I would assume no after three weeks. Yeah, it's probably a no this also the behavior. If you ever see like a wolf pop like it's mom's mouth like very insistently, that's actually like the biological trigger for them to regurgitate the meat. So when the PUPS WANNA get fed the stomach meet. They looked the the mouth of the mother and they do that. It also probably raw meat, so that's not good. Not Ideal If you can get fed. You have a chance. I maybe. You're eating Rami the nothing right like Yup I mean really you might be able to make five weeks where you start having problems, though so far to ten weeks is when the the pups abandoned the Dan, and so they all join all pups in the pack. Go together in what they call Rhonda rendezvous site. where, it's just a area where they'll gather, and so the the POPs this action when the puzzle start going out for outings with with the parents. The pumps are starting to get their teeth. Which means that they're no longer gave regurgitated food after five to ten week period. So this is where you already now. What's happening is that the pack is just bringing back meat from kills directly and just being like flop. Here you go. So you're GONNA have a tough time there. As a as a six week year, old among the other dangers is this is also when the will start playing aggressively. And so they do a lot wolf do a lot of they say play. They're like wrestling. And you know nipping and biting to kind of develop their skills, and so a lot of times. They'll bite their parents to harm than Yo, and that's not how I learned not to really be nasty, but you know if they are playing with each other and bite each other. if you are the tiny baby getting bit not great for you, and then even if you couldn't eat the food this also some puzzles start exhibiting hoarding behavior or they'll you know lay claim on specific meats and kind of save it for later kind of mirror like wolves will also meat the winter and save a little bit. So, there's a lot of bad thing going around for surviving there and then after that you pretty much. Has To be worse and worse from four to eight months. Is when the pups actually are going with the pack, and they share and eating in the in the kill so like they'll eat it right at the source. It won't be bought brought to them. And then eight months, plus they're basically full phone. Adults will go hunting pack with the pack as adults themselves. So! Not Ideal at all. I can start with what. If you're raised by wolves, your. Die and. It sounds like you have a lot of options just like me. You do have a lot of options, and even if you're theoretically, you could still say you're raised by wolves, if you at a younger age like you know from two or three when you have your teeth and you could. Mimic some of these actions. The Wolf Pup. Mortality rate is thirty to sixty percent. So even if you're doing what you're supposed to be doing by being an actual wolf pup, your odds still aren't good. And I guess some. I concluding that's kind of sad fact now that I think about it, but I wrote it down and I, said it out loud, and now everyone stuck with it. Yeah, we went from. We went from a lot of hamsters. Fun Happy Times to one person. A fully grown adult dies to a baby dies. Yet probably stop and go to the. Would you rather question of the evening? Chris, yes, are you ready for? Would you rather yes? Okay I. Don't sound so excited. Yes, would you rather yes? Would you rather have a show on animal planet or the Food Network? the food network probably. Actually. That's a pretty easy choice for me. The food that work really I thought you were going to say in a planet. Why do I feel it does seem like an animal person will talk about how you don't like to cook and don't live currently working stove, we half hour conversation. Right before this podcast about how you don't Cook it. I don't Cook ever play a lot of the point that you haven't gotten. You're still fixed since you move into your apartment. A lot of food network says it's just the guy going to restaurants and watching other people cooking and eating it. Okay, that's fair. So you want to be like the junky where you're just like Oh. Yeah, reviewing food but I think you have to know how to cook. I mean at least a little bit now. You just ask questions like Oh. This is how you doing. I'm like Oh, okay? I feel like I can't just eat a thing as yet. That's real good like every time you need. Described where like it? Oh! Yeah, it's crunchy. Crunch. And you don't have to know like in order to watch a movie. You don't need in order to be a critic of a movie. You don't need to know how to make movie. I would be I. Guess It's not whether you're making a good show or not. I guess that's a good point like the the alter. The alternative is having. Decent Animal Planet. Adult Planet that would be like going on safaris and stuff. That sounds pretty cool, too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's pretty I was gonna say I want that, but not like all the time. Is My life finite like that's a cool vacation for a summer. I think if my job was to go and hang out like go on a safari or hanging out with some animals like visit like the woman who owns an elephant for like a few days and hang out with that elephant I think my mental health would improve a lot. Days Forever I. I would go visit animal eighty every year every every week. I would go hang out with an elephant. You kidding. When does that get old? What are you gonNA be eating on this trip? Local delegates there's food all around the world. Then, what are your thoughts? Because you're the? You're the most enthused about cookie at as as I know you're discuss off air I. Don't Know How much disgusted saw podcast as well I cook a lot. I really enjoy cooking, and yet in spite of that I've still considering Ano- plan. I'm so confused by this Chris I don't. I- person who really enjoys cooking and food. So considering the Animal Planet Possibility. Like I like food. I don't like cooking food I guess. I don't like the process of cooking because at work, but I like eating and people on to never chose eat. I guess that's true I don't know I I would probably I would probably say food food network. But like cooking, so like the like that makes sense I just I. Don't know. So you'd be on a cooking show and I'd be on an eating show I guess. Is it more work should be part of a cook like I'm trying to think what what the day to day of cooking over the animal show like the cooking show you go into the studio. You go into the kitchen and I guess he's come around for a bit and then judge for like ten minutes. Like for like you're thinking like one of those competition shares. Yeah like we're like. Competition show is probably one like you're I think you're in the studio and you're doing a lot of like because there's a lot of different types of food network right? Yeah, because you have you have like the traveling around. He had the competition show and you have the person cooking show. I would do any of those I. Am down for all three of those and I could still have that trailing around thing if I do like an international food show I feel like I would get bored of going to a lot of restaurants. Father. Get bored, even visiting one elephant. Anyway you're going to have to eat, why not get paid for it? But if I'M GONNA, have to travel to like you know around the country or to another country I want my end results. Vida I'd rather be excited about going to go. See the elephants being like. Oh, I'M GONNA. Go another restaurant. It seems like I would very quickly. Very quickly burnt out and being like you know you're flying to California to go to the biggest steakhouse little bit I'd be like okay. He'd be going to the best of the best though of restaurant, but like hospital Marcus the point is that if you are if you have your own show, you're probably around places animals. You're still gonNA. You're not just going to go home and have a bowl of rice every night like I mean. Mean I guess he can still eat interesting things. Yeah, explore the area, but I mean I could also I don't think one is right wrong? Except the right one is animals, but I think it's also a bit of personal preference like you don't see very excited about hanging out with animals at all I mean I enjoy going to the zoo every once in a while, but I'm not a huge animal person I never watch the animal. Plan. What's it called the and Watch that their animals to Hickey on the TV box. Wait. When's the last time you watched animal planet? I watched food network all the time. He makes me probably argument I mean it's not like I watch either of them very often do more cooking shows in animal shows, but I'm more into the people that are going to hang out like you know you get to go backstage at the zoo, and actually like cuddle with tigers and things I mean a lot of animal, planet, stuff, or like animal documentaries, stuff is them being out in the wild like you see all the interesting stuff in the documentary. A lot of is just them sitting around doing nothing. I can do that, too. In like waiting for an animal to come by well, we'll say way of you picking your show I. Mean if you say that's like the maybe the more boring one to do, but you can do the cool ones where you just like go. One of those really soft like like soft news type shows where they just go visit the people that have animals, pets, and just like I'm GonNa. Hang out all your people's pets. All Year is do they have shows like that I? Actually don't know because I. Don't watch Animal Planet. Could if you pitch it to them, Chris, go for your chance. Here's a market or like. Animal, handlers and things like they'll go and be like Oh. Hey, this is whoever and they have A. They take care of these animals in this zoo and you go, and you get to go inside and hang out with the animal. It's cool. I don't know I'm excited about the animals. I'd be less excited. Just go to studio, and you know or travel to go to restaurants, both of those less appealing to me. I I'm definitely more the food camp, but I expect to be alone of camping very confused at Christmas also here. Kristie. I like food. I choose, we'd never. All right there. We have it folks. If you enjoy this and you want to help support. Our endeavors to go, see animals or eat at restaurants. You can go to our picture on at www dot patriots dot com slash absurd hypotheticals and hit. That became a patron button. For just one dollars a month. That is like. One hundred cents, but why? That way sounds like a lot more than it is, it's nothing it's a dollar. It's like a quarter of a hamster. It's like four quarters of money like a hundredth of one hundred dollar bill. It's one hundredth of one hundred dollar bill exactly. Barely any money at all. You can. Show your support for the show, and you get access to our behind the scenes episode which we do every month we review all the episodes. We Do Funchal. We've had guests on benzedrine. 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The Rundown: coronavirus and voice, Spotify, user journeys and Jovo

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The Rundown: coronavirus and voice, Spotify, user journeys and Jovo

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It's it's all over the place. Our people responding and in general you get well a review a text. This is this is a this is a text from my mom. And she'll be she'll be delighted to have some time so she said where is it? Is it going to be alarming? Boats don't do a single thing in the next month at all income outside if you don't have to I'm GONNA use my scarf to open doors and wash my hands all the time and trying to close off when I come in in. My mom is thinking of using gloves. Whilst it's called. Jim What do you think so? So she's not trying to panic people which is basically saying that. She's on lockdown and stuck in the freezer and she's not moving unless because you might catch corona virus. So that's a little bit of a glimpse into homophobia taken broadly speaking. I think some people that kind of thing in its Maybe either being blown out the potion by the media or there's this in actually it's probably a lot worse than it is being reported to be and I don't know I don't know it's a weird one it really is. I had to be in the US. Last week. And I flew back. My flight was five minutes. After trump made the announcement. There's no not going to be all. No one knew what was happening. So what they did was a said. Anyone who doesn't want to get on the flights we will gladly revoke you for future. Time will get your bags out of flight and there were people who were already on the plane getting off a plane so I had to go back to. Everyone had their own row. It was it was a bit of a surreal experience. Want so pose a flight empty then. Was it like a one where it was like. Fifty people on a full size was is seven seventy seven or whatever while some people would kill for that kind of legroom but my coworkers saying that on the way back from Europe to the US in next day because everyone was freaking out entirely tirlian boarded. While it's not it's it's I duNno. I Dunno it's a weird one isn't it sounds as though everyone's going to be either coming into contact with it all something it doesn't look. There's a really interesting I know. This isn't a corona virus. Podcast is the kind of topical thing. But there's a really good article on medium which looks into actual kiss versus reported cases. Negoti back in China and looking when they had reported cases of x amount afterwards like weeks later when they found out the true number of cases the true number of cases was far higher than what was being reported at the time. So the recognize any of this any of the official figures which say how many people have the virus in any country the wreck and you can almost times it by ten or twenty given the actual kiss is the Alexander at that time which is frightening so no frigging album. Takes DON'T FREAK OUT BARKING AT USA indoors? I'm supposed to be going to the Publiz well. Anyway but boy even Google has been Has BEEN ON THE CORONA VIRUS? A front on the current version has been coming out pretty strongly on the actions from Google. So he just looks like it's. I know there. You mentioned that there was an article and voice. Was that where it was and I also saw and developer group as well as someone saying that Google is not allowing any actions and maybe even removing actions related to corona virus would easing yes. It's a it's a mud one. I think well I don't know whether people have realized. The Corona virus has happened and then they kinda like sprung into action to make skills about it. But we'll google is kind of good. Wilson is the The auction is related to all contains content related to Corbett nineteen in the current climate. Our platform is working to provide consistently accurate information about the topic. And for that reason we're limiting approval of actions related to corvette nineteen our teams are actively working to ensure people have the most up-to-date and authoritative information justice. If so based on the reason. I think the the condescend that they do. They don't want any Tom. Dick or Harry to just be pumping covert nineteen continental there. They WANNA leave it to probably the likes of BBC. Nbc Sky. Whoever to report the latest based on what's happening or what the government advises or whatever. It might be smart even even if you have a good actor. It seems like things are moving so quickly right just two weeks ago it all. He was fine now. Italy's on lockdown all. These things are moving so quickly that you can't really even have a doctor. You can't expect them to go in there. Make sure that their action as completely today I interested in seeing of Amazon's doing the same thing I would guess probably so but it seems like a good move of row. Yeah I think so. I mean I was experimenting with the BBC Skill yesterday and nor lie Because I've been working from home up in up in my office upstairs and whenever I'm going down to Make a cup of tea which is probably a few times a day. Purposefully being used in the BBC skill. 'cause I've been wanting to see if things do change funnily enough it does it updates. Possibly yesterday I think update it two or three times based on Boris. Johnson's having a meeting island have now closed common of his Northern Ireland or island of closed schools and everything and all of that happened yesterday and I found out through the BBC skill. And obviously they've got a whole team dedicated to the Cape and the report of this stuff across all tunnels and so you're right. Yeah you can't really expect a hobbyist whose brushing away skills in the bedroom to be sold on this that they're going to dedicate enough time to report timely undocumented information. I mean I'm going to get a little job for what I'm about to say but if you can't even have the president of the United States reading off a teleprompter details race you can't expect developer. Not Did you see the video of. I think it was a number name but it was one of the. Mp's in London and she was giving a speech about what to do to protect yourself and stuff like she stood on podium and she's got a paper in front of and she's reading the paper and she says so the best thing to do is to wash your hands regularly. Stay indoors if he can and whatever you do. Don't touch your face. She then licks a finger to turn the page immediately after so believable. But it's interesting. How the role of a voice technology What role that will play in this kind of environment because not only is it. Moving base there is changing by the half de every half day. There's new cases there's more deaths his new actions that different countries taken etc but also over time if people do have to content themselves indoors and stuff like that one it's all invoice technology of reporting timely news. It used to be twitter. That was the place to go for. All this stuff found out yesterday. That is possible to get timely information through Alexa. But in the other thing is people might be spending a hell of a lot more time in their home and so what will the role of smile speakers be there and we'll we see people trying to capitalize on that included? I was in in Google and trying to sell like send people to certain things to attend themselves while content themselves one of the interesting during interesting side effects of all of this is the almost rapid change in consumption and behaviour. And all that you know you certainly see in terms of you're GONNA be watching now so it's a lot more theater a lot less and certainly smart speakers aren't in the office all that much but people are home. You know there are around and so that is quite interesting to see. Hey is obviously not the most important thing about all this but it will be interesting to see if there is indeed that kind of uplift you know I was also thinking about purchasing for example an echo show for my mother my in laws at one. We bought him one for Christmas. And my wife will video. Chelsom avary every Sunday and so that could be a way to tell whether it's the echo show whether it's the the home harbor or even facebook portal. Perhaps that is a way for us to stay in touch when we are sequestered. Yes about us in the obviously the stock markets have been impacted. You mentioned something earlier. Home which is quite interesting. Which was the potential of another economic downturn? And if goes on what will not due to the not just the consumer market but also on the enterprise who might be considering investing in this kind of technology will impact not being will people continue with them plans or will look to scale back. Yeah I am thinking that its lease for the past thirty years. We haven't seen him new technology. Come in during a recession did see mobile apps and things like that come in but that was right after eight two thousand nine so right after enjoy starting to get a little bit better and there was obviously the dot com bubble burst but it took a while. Even if you think about from a once is a two thousand five when social media really came in gaming the entry while for them to grow as well so it will be interesting to see if companies continue investing invoice. Something that is notoriously bad right now for not having a very narrow or if they're going to back off a little bit as well so I think it will be interesting to see Maybe all of the decision makers will be spending more time at home on value vast speakers and then return to work with a clear review of how things might pun for them. Perhaps one thing that was relevant. Because you're talking about really having new experiences and I mentioned I was in the US for last week. And I had to rent a car as well and so that was actually my first experience with the voices car because I live in a very urban area. Don't have don't have a car view your I have a car. It doesn't well. It has a very very poor voice recognition thing in it so it doesn't look very well at all. I had the car that I had to had android auto owners. So you got your phone you know you you have that available and so it had assistant baked in as well it was. It was quite useful. New I'm non-super bullish when it comes to You know things in air buys and things like that. I actually never used. It's not in my in my day to day usage with car. Incredibly powerful you know. I could hear text messages than my family was sending me. I can respond to them. I could change the music search for for maps. It really was perhaps even more than a perfect use case voice assistance. I've heard I've heard the same stuff so spoke out the Financial Services Forum last week week before actually and someone who had a Mercedes and said that the assistant in the Mercedes was absolutely fantastic and that they use it all the time and so it does seem as though voices kind of found. Its way what's interesting. I think is seen vehicles shipping with Alexa. And there's been other reports out there that said the the voice system in the car is determined not not not huge factor but it is a factor in purchasing a car. If you have a whole home full of Google home and it's got android Google assistant and it might be more likely to go with dot com on the same. Be True if you're an Alexa House with with Alexa in the car. But interestingly speaking to someone the other day who was talking about how some of the car manufacturers are actually potentially a little bit apprehensive about using Alexa Google assistant in the car because of the faulk dot obviously all of the data. All of this customer editor is going straight to those two big companies and if you're a Mercedes or BMW snow really. What you want is similar to to be in a retail. If you allowed retailer it you know you probably don't really want all of that first. Pike Costa MMG Onto Amazon. And then you just get in the intent to you So it's interesting. How he plays Morale Sian the the comedy factual and their own assistance. Mercedes being a prime example of one so it'd be interesting. How that kind of dynamic works you know and then you have the android are another android the Alexa Auto. That's what it's called. The little standalone device that you can plug in to. That's you know that's an interesting approach. Also I can understand why these auto manufacturers grocers whomever don't want to get too much in bed with these companies but as a consumer certainly you talked to. Mala need the brand or the them the make the model all of that being influenced by. What's inside the car? Assistant wise I think if I were purchasing are down would be probably top five criteria that I would. Yeah I think so these days it would be. I mean I've mentioned on the on the blog we've been doing on Lincoln. Not Having an assistant in your car when when you get to a point where you use voice assistance quite a lot and I've got to. I think that point now where I use it. Multiple use all of them multiple times a day. I'm using serial Myers addict it all the time all my messages through the Amuse Alexa all the time in the kitchen google home probably Mosul. When I'm in the office and so I'm just finding myself not truly over the course of the years that we've been working in this industry using them all myself a hell of a lot more and I've caught myself a number of times driving. I don't actually drive that much to be honest but times have been dropping off com go alexina realize. I don't have it and so not having access to it becomes something that you feel a loss and so having a in the car and thinking about getting a new car. I think you're right. Yeah I think that would be a decision. A priority really. Yeah it's it's interesting. How how much these bruins our lives and and really change how we approach things. We're in now when I'm on the road when I'm traveling certainly having to turn lights on and off like a like a human peasants. I know I only know what I'm doing in my life. Yeah that's the kind of thing when people say that voices a fad I. It's one hundred percent novel. This might not be something onto szuber prevalence. This might not be something. Where Brands Russian? That's still still Choubey. See I think were very boys on that. But that's still to be seen but in terms of these voices is going away. It's too late already. Yeah definitely won't you've got back? The trigger the internal trigger. Which has you think about sin. Google aw Alexa before you think about pulling your phone out of your pocket which I think is the point. I'm almost at that point depend in some environments now and that's obviously why. Amazon and Google spending as much as spending on the market in because they know that whoever wins out of those two wins. You'll be Alexa House oil. Google House you know people like Oh my house both because we saw deep into this that we wanna test all but the average consumer is probably going to end up having a smart home which is an Alexis my home or Google smart home and then that then permeates into their vehicle. Their car their choice of headphones on that kind of stuff. And once. You've got my internal trigger. It's game over. Yeah I mean even even for us how these different platforms. I know. We talked about this in the past. Been maybe things have changed. Do you use them equally or do you have one that you use. The vast majority of the time probably. Yeah so I'll probably use Alexa Moss. Because it's when it's in the kitchen and in the front room whereas with Google assistant predominantly in my office and that's probably a a winner like I I what is it called the first mover advantage. So the echoes across the house before I got google homes and now the Google home. We've themselves into this is where the echoes on Even in my office go both of them So yeah I use Alexa more in the house but I also use Siri quite a bit. Even though it gets like smashed for not having that much support I still use it. Because it's quicker to do stuff could send text messages. Emails read emails and stuff. What do you use one Manila? You seem like a Google assistant kind of person. I am a good was kind of person I probably use. I ninety five percent of the time and the reason I use that is because my music platform is is google might calendar is on Google emails. We will all tight end but it's primarily actually the music that's really what's driving them. I think if I were to use spotify for example I probably would be more on Alexa side just simply because the devices I think are quite a bit better on a on Alexa side and it integrates with with. I think a fair bit more in terms of physical hardware the capabilities across it. I feel like they're pretty equal. I think Google does do a better job of answering questions but for the things that I do. I think there's an advantage there for Even just a to hearing minor points the Echo Max. I believe it is or one of the newer goes it even has a thermometer built-in as well so I can ask what the temperature is internally. Which is actually come in handy a lot surprisingly when I had the flu last year. I was freezing but I had to get sort of sanity. Check Hayes at actually freezing air and I could just I could just ask and that was. That was quite useful okay. This is a nice hardware. Yeah Yeah it's a yeah I agree. I like the acquaint like the Google home hope That's a pretty smart device. I actually like that better than I. Don't have the Google Home Max. Whatever it's called of Gotland mini of got the three home hopes. Now actually akin given But Yes oh the ECO. Show I was thinking about that. Show and the kind of the potential of it and unopposed. The home hope is the same busily. Want what so one of the things I'm talking about on the road. This week is how how Amazon in particular given the speaker market leader has managed to without people really knowing has managed to install fixed computer terminals in everyone's rooms across the house. Now if you if you if you were trying to sell art. Basically sell selling compute fix computers that have a specific look. No one moves the smart speakers from from room to room. You install them into that they don't get grid half as much as you fawn because they just ruined the software and they're on the software for what for what most people need them for. They don't need to equip them And so the monies to kind of install these fixed location computer terminals within People's House is under the same time rollout almost covertly it brand new operating system which is kind of while. Alexa is really Google assist. Nothing's a bit different. Because what you were saying around the fact use Google assistant for your calendar messages and basically if you if you are in the android ecosystem. Google assistant is absolutely perfect. Because that's what it's doing isn't it? It's pulling all of the android functionality and services through Google assistant and it's obviously better answering questions because it's got a vast vast understanding of how to organize questions from the web underactive either Google's being on in recent moments is essentially trying to serve his more and more of that Web content through do assistant. Faq SCHEMA Monaco the how to tutorials that you can do on their Regional featured snippets despicable markle which is in Beta all is stove and then also the actions in slices so they're also trying to branch into apps on your phone and surface functionality. From within up through Google assistant and so they're they're very much on an ecosystem player whereas Alexa is very much like a standalone brand new operating system. I'll come back to the echo show because with it being in our kitchen I use not more than any other device and what's frustrating sometimes is that I can see the. I can see fast forward five years not going to see. These echo shows replacing. Even the home hopes to be honest replacing. Tv's in the kitchen in the same speakers have replaced radios. But what I think is holding. It back is weirdly and this is for for a voice enthusiast. What's holding it back? Is the functionality on the screen. Really you want the up. You won't be ability not for it to be a priority but the ability to do whatever you can do within the voice application or whatever you can do within the application. That's on your phone to be able to do that. Both with your voice on by touching it and so what I'd like to do is on Alexa on the echo. Sure I'd like to be an exit creating evernote and have evernote pop up and then I just dictated minority and it will do it but then if I want to go back and correct. It ravages pause top on what I want to correct top it and delete it because that's easier to do by touching whereas dicta ends easy to voice and so that's kind of my vision for what I've been thinking about this week is it isn't operating system before it to reach the heights that needs to the interplay between voice on the screen needs to become more seamless. Yeah I think you're right. Did really has replaced the TV in the kitchen for a Lotta people and we have a podcast recently with Tim from WHO Network. Who talked about that? Exact topic with the live content on the on a pop IV form. Can you remind people what about? And yes so the food network of working on on a live cooking experience essentially and funnily enough. I don't know if you remember. We spoke probably about eighteen months ago when we were kind of like brainstorming ideas and stuff like that and we had a conversation about live broadcast and Alexa and we were sitting between. I think that it might be a little bit early. But it's what the Food Network of start to do prioritize the echo shows. And so what they're doing is you can just say it to Alexa Alexa. Start Alive cooking show and it will pick up a feed from the food network. I'm playing you alive. Cooking demonstration is being streamed. Live right there and then think of twitch on Alexa aw periscope on Alexa or something. A facebook live Alexa. And it's interesting because I'm as an of being building not technology out with the food network so the food network already do this in their robin. It's premium content that you can pay for some of the live broadcast in but they're also working on functionality. Which will let you talk to Alexa. June the live broadcast and feed questions to the chef. Who will then answer it live. Which is Madam think about? Think about trump wants the fix thinks about thing about putting that onto the fire stick and having that on your actual TV. You've then got live interactive live TV to tie this back to corona virus. But you see you know so much. Schools are closing in our students are learning from from streaming. My the In San Francisco last week had no service is next week. Don't have no. Service streamed everything online as well and so it is interesting to see that as well. Nc perhaps as devices as a distribution channel for this McCain using that you almost feel like this is perhaps a harbinger or sign. That skills are going away. Yes so whether it skills going away. I don't know about what I was thinking about this a lot because I listened to the podcast. I tend to listen back to the pocus June the week because sometimes when you in the conversation you tend to miss stuff because listen. You are listening intently. You're the so much kind of when you know when you concentrate and so much and afterwards you forget the whole thing if anyone has played golf befall sometimes if you have a really good round of golf which for me is not very often but every now and then you'll totally forget one hole and is because a high sense concentration. I think the caller the floor. So when you concentrate and so are more attentive. Forget things and so I always listen to the pocus episodes and funnily enough I do end. End Up picking stuff that we didn't took John and it's good as well because you think well next time. I'm going to look for that because I asked this question if I was to do it again. Anyway I'm doing and with the food network and the potential of that could be so essentially. They're working on first party functionality. So Amazon to build in the live broadcast and ability. It's not going to be in a skill. The food is food network skill. The pump live brought us through. Its Amazon I party life broadcasting and the way that you get to that you say Alexa Star live cooking broadcast or whatever the whatever is they then go to the food network feed which is busy just an endpoint that the food that will provide even with a series of Metadata. I don't want the areas. That was one of the questions I think. We probably should have asked him. But I'm assuming it's stuff like Calgary's chef names recipe details. You know step by step recipe all that kind of stuff and then they will play that feed when you ask for it and so I was thinking one of the biggest barriers to Alexa skills. And the reason I think we discover. Bill is so poor is because it's like it's a little bit like when you fall out with somebody in school and speaking to them anymore and so you'll get your friend to pass on a message and so you'll see Susie Susie Telco on those speaking to him soon as he'll turn on and tell Kyle and say well Susan token I'm not speaking to him either so it's almost like you need to ask. Alexa to ask the Brun to do something. It's almost like Giannis whispers. Nothing that's one of the barriers to is. Because that's quite a lot of information for people to rob the head around. You need to know that. The brand or the skill exists. You need to know what it's called. Then you need to know a functionality. It provides which is a whole lot of stuff whereas if you would just able to Alexa play alive. Shore Alexa do this. It's almost an implicit invocation. Have been talking about and so I can. I can see opportunity with not just live broadcast him but with other things well it could be. Tv could be on demand. Content could be news whatever All even stories audio books music etc in in being able to provide Alexa with an endpoint with a series of metadata. On when people just ask for something it uses that to fulfill it. I party rather than trying to figure out how a pole people into a skill that makes sense. Yeah it makes a Lotta sense and and as you're mentioning this you know something came to me and I never really thought about before. I hope that they're they're looking into. It would be interesting for these platforms to have these ideas of topics or or functionality. Or whatever so same. Let's baseball for domains. Yeah Yeah exactly. So let's say you know. Even a specific as baseball was a unit specific as a team. Like liberal right. You you know that you can years especially Google. You know that they can do this. Because of you ever use Google now you can say. Tell me more about this team or tell you about the and in that perhaps they can open up and allow you to say anytime. I asked about this domain. Use this skill or uses action. So if I'm asking you know what was the war the baseball scores last night and brings the ESPN Skill Ryan or pay. A podcast in always uses the same podcast. Scores PODCAST ACTION. But you can specify what those are like default skills your phone action that has a consumer but also as a developer. That's really what I would like to see all these platforms. That's what big luxury dude isn't it? Yeah that's that's one of the things I think really well as well as Allowing new allowing third party developers to build something that can display this. I I forgot Which I think is totally unique as well. But yeah you're right. Yeah essentially whatnot is is it's given uses more control over personalizing their experiences isn't I could definitely see is some some challenges or whatever you want to or sale is one of you for kids right or you forget you say oh you know. I will always want this scale when I asked about movies. But then you later or how postseason those domains? Huge requests sprite. If I asked movies than I asked for theaters near me as a movie was is that amount of you know I could nothing understand why that might be a little infusing? However this time it could provide a lot of two so it be very interesting to see ads and doesn't solve saw discovery ability. Does all that problem. That brands are having in saying you. Don't really want to jump in. Because how do I know? Someone's going to come back to. Moscow on someone's Mindset. Use It over and over. Yeah An' put to be honest. People creatures of outer and so once you've served a skill. Frodo men then would you want. Would you switch it? I mean I duNNo. It's this like it's the typical kind of takeaway conundrum. Isn't it when you order a takeaway? Every single time. We order take away. We get the menu out. Oil found the menu online will look over it and if we ordered something from the Chinese then I'll end up in sweet and sour chicken balls in butter with Rice genuine gain some kind of noodle dish with chicken curry and that happens nine times out of ten yet we still. Peru's them so it everyone's criticism Hubbert. Isn't this if you get the experience right and provide and it's not horrific which some skills are if we're honest with each if you can get an experienced right and you can be reliable. All that was going to do is going to reduce the friction to get in their next. Which I think is right. It's interesting so I think is being interested in it's being going on is a spotify have not said there's no spotify announcement if anyone has ever come across. Jin Mansion one if you haven't follow her on twitter because she's an incredibly interesting character. She tends to Earth things in APPs. The are like open common features and Sikander leaks the volatile. Sometimes I think the bronze Deuce on purpose during the communist do stuff on purpose and the postal in ups available to find. But she sends the fundamental. She found something in the spotify up. Which tweet that. She posted a link to initial analyst. Put it says hey spotify in brackets quotations if enabled spotify will listen for. Hey spotify when the APP is open and on your screen. So obviously we know spotify with trial invoice search up last year but seemingly now all assigns us in this fire going to release some kind of weak word whether it's whether it's a voice assistant within this up all weather on it's hooking up the voice search thing that they've trialed pairing it with a weak word it's probably more likely put essentially what why suspect it would enable you to do and this is why. I think it's interesting. Dordogne is already. Is that when you in spotify and you? I don't use all the time but I use a mobile so when you in spy usually when you're listening to a song it will have a screen with artists pitcher on it on a playable on fast-forward born etc you to switch artists which songs which playlist or whatever you need to minimize screen need to click something to minimize the screen and then you need to click on the search PAS. Oh the search Bolan then you need to type a search which could be however many tops. It's Gysi you only talking about four or five but if it's something longer like London philmont Orchestra you'll be there all day and then then you need to get you. Search results browse those results? Figure out whether whether or not you WANNA play list artist. Whatever then click on it and then either click on shuffle. Play school down to pick a song. You WanNa play so that I mean it might take you thirty seconds. It's not huge length of time in the grand scheme of things but in terms of the number of action needs to go through to get along. Well this will do. Is when the when the ops open you can just say hey spotify play. Gysi play the BLACKBIRDS etc. And then presumably. I don't know if it will take you to a search page for you to the top. Just get a few steps all whether I actually just us. It's intelligence and play Jay Z. Immediately it's a it's a little bit unclear but what it's doing is it's essentially. It's collapsing the user journey. The the use of June is still the same in terms of the Stop. Point in the endpoint. The need is still the same. The behavior is still very much similar but it what it's doing is just collapsing. The whole user journey. And that's what I think is really interesting about. It is really interesting and you see going back. Durham Point from earlier. How many of these large brands want to be tenants on another platform if they can if they can move away from it or not even move away from it because we're not taking spotify also also. Google is off Alexa but they do know that people are using their phones. You have just as much. And so they see that value and especially on media media just really a perfect use. Today I'll voice so Gracie spotify following Pandora's leading away encinas. More and more where we're going. Okay is not just smart speakers. This is something that you know you and I have discussed some Allen and you know in my day to day work. No I'm telling you this. All the time is not just smart speakers and Julia. Now where does voice natural language conversational? Where does it make things easier and like you said in this case certainly appears to really just make Aslo bodies? I think we're going to see a have Lamar this guy you know. Yes they have a default presence on Google assistant and Alexa. However Penetration Market Penetration of speakers is no AENA. The market penetration of smartphones. And our wager. That is the the overwhelming majority of people that listen to spotify still listening to on the phone and so it's it's taking probably learnings that they've learned through having close relationships with Amazon and Google through trial in the voice search in the APP itself. It's taken those lands and applying it to weather uses. I'm wondering whether that's a process. That more and more companies will consider is experiment on Saas because for the sake of pushing something to market and gathering learn is to figure out how people talk interactions. They want to have how the compensation plans goal learning a bit about technology before then taking that learning and applying it to your own channels where your actual volume is for. Most people you volume isn't on smaller speakers. The volume is either when you telephone lines. Or It's in your operates on your website. It's it's in your existing state and you can use these smart speakers voice assistant platforms together enough learning of Intel to figure out what the compensation designed Party needs to be to figure out what using these people have in this conversational environment will compositional demands to you need to care for and then take all that learning like spotify have deployed into your own touch points into your honesty at a not swear the value ultimately is. Yeah Yeah that's a great point and you know even if these smart systems are expanding pretty rapidly there are just like you said are places where they are not there are places where even if they are expanding. You're not going to have full control over it. This is the kind of thing where you know. Maybe icees that people are using their phones in the Carlisle We go back to that where you know in your car. For example you can probably via Bluetooth and so you can plug in your phone via Bluetooth. And then you don't have to worry about that defaults voice control and you have in there. You can just leave. Spotify Open Li Li the screen on lot. And then you essentially have a a smart assistant. Maybe one is just music. But that's what in a car along or looking for. Yeah do you think we'll see similar? Examples of you mentioned the voice assistant focused on music and there is scope for the voice. Assistance Capability focused on other domains already spoke about demands in small speaker rumble. Outside of them thinking about like BBC for example working on their own voice assistant and is intended purely to surface nedia content from the BBC archives that the people might want to learn more about all consume. So that's basically going to be very much a BBC content assistant. I think the con- The SPA if I want is very much a music based voice using we're GonNa see more of that where we're going to see different. Bronze creating their own technologies focus on different demands a lot of work. It's it's a whole lot of war and so that's why we're seeing spotify BBC during this because they're the ones who are capable. I'm going are we going to see more companies doing it in in building themselves? I would say probably not again in the in the SAS conversations that I'm having on a regular basis you know you keep coming back to the builders by conversation are we going to build ourselves are going to buy technology in you. Do have technology. Like hound defy you. How others all who can do this on the Web. Mobile in hardware also. And that's what. I think you might see more often. Where consumer doesn't really matter consumers it's brandon thing and so you might see for example the Wall Street Journal writer or even say like or Greg where this is a very niche type of thing but it provides a lot of guy you to a very specific audience. And so I think you you might see this a lot more. I would hope at least because there are user. Interactions that do provide or do receive a lot of value voice in Conversational and dad shouldn't only be along the smart systems. Yeah definitely immediate. Media's a prime example Bankin could be a good one. You know you Y- Bankin up Being able to get around that read easily Any of the things around like You know I'm thinking things like tripadvisor booking dot com stiffler. Excuse me if you're booking dot com looking for a hotel on your pliers shed tuna filters on you've narrowed down to a location price bracket but there's nothing that really fuzzy. Just Cleveland Them Phil Astonish Edge Against Nightmare. It'd be easy to tap on Mike and just say you know. Try A ELLIOTT UP THE PRICE OR WHATEVER. It might be so. I'm sure if you look I. Reckon favorite listen if you look if you phone. I'm hustling seminar. I do all the time. If you go to your battery power and it will tell you which obser- US and most of you about repower reason why I do it all the time because rearrange my home screen all the time to the OPS that I use most often being right there when knuckle phone. But what's interesting is if you look at the opposite you use often and think about the things that you do in them. Most of the time it requires a shed Tony Clicking and tapping and swiping. I think that's where there is value in voice. Interface is is certainly with OPS and possibly even on websites Websites is it probably someone as well. Because there's this vast vast content on the search engines on some websites and knocks you that great. Maybe there should be looking at some of the METABOL- So yeah I think. There's there's definitely going to definitely gonNA see a lot more of this as we as we go phone over the next twelve months or so. Yeah you know I think a lot of ways you know. We've talked about this before I think talking about things in regards to voice actually been Batra. Tj Because it really isn't natural language you talking about this on websites right. You know that provides value even if it's not done through voice right you're on. Let's say a clothing websites and search for something like you know a good dress for a cocktail party. That's that's something that through natural language. Is You still want that result? And that's the kind of way that we communicate with each other. You may not be going to a website clicking on Mike and Ziang show me an address good cocktail party but that understanding is is incredibly valuable. I also don't know I mentioned this on this podcast before. But we've worked with a customer by an agency in Canada where they're bringing this into their stories. Told me about this before you might mention code on the PODCAST. Yes Oh this is something where we're going to reveal more information about the soon but essentially their advisors in the store. They're all about ends on assistance. They're selling things at quite a high price point at things that are very specific does not is not unlike going into an apple store. Just buying an iphone. But it's something that's quite tailored and so these people as advisers. They might often have their hands full. They might need to look for for products during is they have a Mojo out now. It's it's a bring your own device system but theoretically could be standalone advisor or whatever and they're able to tap and search for that Pronto while they're still speaking with the customer and so that allows them to continue to build that hands on personal relationship while not having to go to the point of sale device and say tap in and starts exactly what they're looking for and so that's another system where you think okay you know. This isn't a smart assistance. But it's providing a lot of values providing Definitely there's another thing I've come across kinda similar to that which is Chomping Romania won't say his name because he doesn't want any of this stuff out. I'M NOT GONNA mention bruns. The concept the concept it's It's very similar kind of thing but using the fire stick and the excellent if I stick on essentially it's for a suit brand that makes suits and the idea is in the stall very similar vibe. They have a very personal service behind. The idea is in the concept is to have a TV screen massive. Tv screen in the stall ruining in Iraq skill. Through if I stick on the assistant stuns with the person and then they can go through. What kind of suit on Wants something for example cocktail pie? Okay such on Alexa using the voice. Show ME SUITS FOR COCKTAIL PIE. And what you size thirty know what it is today to waste and at four four chest right. Why do we have any in stock? He's his five suits like any which one. Which ones do you like? Excuse me so it's kind of like it's almost like it's still a personalized service. But you're using the technology to facilitate the composition. Yeah I think sometimes the most exciting things in new really drives things for nods. The Beata see the sexy ones. Like spotify right. That's that's quite interesting but I don't think you're going to see on. Businesses join voice because off is during the early in the media space absolutely. That's one of the leaders on the ones that people are looking towards. But if you want broad adoption it's days I wanNA say less sexy because they aren't quite interesting but the ones that are not says prevalent the ones that you're not reading about on tech crunch or the verge or those types of industry publications the ones that you're actually reading in suits today or whatever. Whatever allegations are around that? Yeah no I think you're right. I think that it's the it's always the kind of things either flying under the radar all the things that In those two examples it's almost like One is a practical example. Your example is a very practical. But what's behind the outcome? So it's allowing someone to get something done without leaving the customer and go into a till terminal over the the side and the only one I was talking about his of exponential things like a retail experience. Kinda thing bullets delivery product because the person who is Facilitate IN THE COMPOSITION. Doesn't need to be walking at all over the shop trying to find suits and trying to check stocks instill flat out to people can have the composition there and then so it's still focused on outcomes and I think what's interesting. Is that when you start thinking about outcomes you need to stop broadening your mind a little bit beyond election Google assistant and the platforms that we talk about often enough And you know we send us in terms of Companies maybe might be optimized in their absence of lineup. Are Kinda disagree a thing? I think that they will. We'll see a lot more voice. Interfaces and composition fish is enter APPs as well as websites and the thing that I did have log on this as well as the other week. Which is another thing. That's been hampered nece for a long time as between having the Toolan to actually do it you know so if you Let's say for example. You have a phone system and a contact center and you want to automate some of your conversations. There's been sent tools that you can use to do that. You can use. Twi- Leo autopilot. For example if you WANNA put a voice interface into your op. There's ways and means of doing not. You could use cobalt speech or you could use dialogue flow or whatever it might be but the hasn't really being one unify in technology sits underneath everything that you can kind of essentially code it once build it wants and deploy everywhere well until now so so joe. Vogel RELEASED THEIR LIST. Framework version three Last week or the week before. And that's basically what it does. Now you can support Voice applications in Bixby and you can build web applications and all kinds of compensation components for Facebook Messenger instaflex now so under the re released video as well. I think by being this week or last week and so it seems though it seems as though we are now a point where we can have the two. We've got the tools basically to do most of the stuff that we've been describing all the way through this episode. Yeah Joe Is Great. I never beginning. Iowa's a WHO's got you know. This is a great team very nice people but for my day-to-day development work. This isn't isn't the tool for me. I really want a fine grain control and I really want to know exactly what the code underneath is doing. And certainly if you're doing very specialized things perhaps does not radio however the great thing about Joe is. I would recommend it for nearly anyone because the tooling that they built in is show valuable certainly the ability to go cross our farmers interesting without a doubt but beyond nets. Jovan really cares about the developer experience. What I found when I finally did jump into Joe because I have project where I need to go deep into into that tooling because I wanted to go cross platform. Is these things I was pulling into every single score every single action that I was doing anyway was already into Joe and so it's really great to see that they are not just Alexis Google assistant now but it really is nearly anything and though what am I think is is quite an interesting one. I really do because that does open up some some very interesting opportunities but even more than that if you are a company that has inaugu service. You can integrate with Jehovah's so what we're seeing today is just the beginning right. It's really going to open up and company building something. That's better than dialogue. Slow better than Twi- Leo Nagin integrate with Joe and it's going to be just as easy to use them. It's much because young. Koenig was one of the first people that we have on the podcast on what he was talking about. Was this kind of multi-modal vision. It was the first time I'd heard the term immortal to be honest. John Carnegie you've Taught Me Frizz As well as as well as many of the things because he was talking about You know if you start listening to a podcast in your kitchen and then you hop into your car you want to be able to continue listening to that podcast on the same assistant carrying on from where you left off and stuff like that and now hundred really impossible seeing that becoming possible with Google assistant like if I'm being if I'm watching a youtube video in the front room and I pause it go into the dining room. I can resume that on the home. Hope Pretty Cool That's that's I buy stuff. That's that's Google you know the ability to to find out who hasn't really been possible on third parties and he was also talking about voice assistance. I've been kissed disappear in compensation than the faces and voices systems being ever present and accessible anywhere and also coupled with screens Kind of explained the Vision. Giovane trying to allow people to do that now at the time there was a poll in Alexa and Google assistant but he was talking about the vision of where he wanted it to go. And it's nice to to see that come about only because Yunnan Alex to fantastic people and and really valued members of the community so as we go to see them realize vision but also from a selfish perspective. We now have about how the the tooling that we've been kind of Info for quite well. It's really great to see what they've done and excited to see whether going to do. Still I know they are always open to feedback from the community suitor jumping on his shoes emporer class and everything really really really quickly. So if anyone has talent will definitely recommend. Hi Canal and provide feedback to the JOE team. So that's that's probably for this this episode and I think we've cooled quite low. They're we think we got through quite a bit. Yeah it's you know is the kind of thing where every time we run down. We say we do this again soon. Then a few months Basso in tradition. We should do this. I think we should. I think we should well now. Now there's there's a bit more time on the diamond these days and so Yeah maybe we should make this movie's a Bi weekly thing. Because what good is that usually when we do the ruined down we cover payments news stories and discuss news I'll be interested to feedback on this one because although if we lived in new stories. It's being of talking about the way that we see the landscape unfolding. Nothing that's where the value is people because anyone can read the new stories on on voice bottle. Any of the newsletter is gone. I think what really matters is translate and all of that stuff into insights that people can use to either involving themselves and educate themselves as to what Mr really means or help. Educate yourself in terms of how to be thinking about technology and what's going on in the industry in general so do reach out and let us know how you found it under. Yeah we'll do this again soon. Yeah I'd also be interested in hearing is well if people you know because you can't your Nike and we're working on projects together. We're working on on things separately as well. I also be interested in hearing people they would be interested in hearing on what? We're learning there as well. Is that something where it we bring our learnings that people would be interested in hearing those in a rundown episode. Definitely that is a good shout. Yes so please do. Please do reach out on twitter linked in instagram. You know all of those kinds of things So just a line until next time see la.

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Noah Baumbach: The Acclaimed Film Director on Giving Directions

Clear+Vivid with Alan Alda

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Noah Baumbach: The Acclaimed Film Director on Giving Directions

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As I know I'm going to work with somebody I loved to bring them in early sometimes even while while I'm still working on the script because I feel like the more time we have communicating it's only gonNA benefit what happens when we're shooting on the set and my hope is that that then you know actors will feel when they even. I got the script that they're kind of in it already. That's writer director Noah bound by we got together a little while ago to compare notes on moviemaking in general and to talk about our experience working together on his latest movie marriage stored. I'd had a great time working with Noah and I was curious about how he would describe his style of relating to actors. This is so so much fun for me not to have you here today. Any other ended a microphone. I'm really happy came in. Thank you likewise I you know. Our show is about communication and relating waiting and and the funny thing that happened on the way over here today. Carbon cab being driven by somebody who was from Russia uh and he kept telling me about his life story and I thought I gotta get ready to talk to know what I I gotta think about. This and I realized he was preparing me. Hey for the for this conversation because he was telling me about what he learned about this country from our movies before he came over from Russia. That's interesting what do you think about. WHO's going to see Roy? Your movie I think about it just maybe not unlike your cabdriver papy some movies growing up what do you mean. That's interesting. Well that what movies were to me out. They educated you about what the world was like. What were the movies that interested interested you as a kid early on I I mean I think like wizard of Oz and the Errol Flynn Robin Hood? A yeah me too The the Arrow Flynn Olivia aveline robin. Yeah I really love that as a kid. Did you make movies a kid. Did you have a camera that I had a wind up a bill in Howell and I made a little three minute movies i. It's funny. I use the wind up bell and Howell in college but before that will I guess. VHS HSA came into play when I was probably about twelve or at least we got our first VHS player. And I I've got a camcorder A right around that time also so that I started making movies with my friends and around around the house then but it was all on B. H. S. and And I didn't have any kind of editing material nor did I even fully. I know how to edit. I think about it but you were. We're visiting from watching right. I was aware about it from watching. And and I actually would tr- I actually took my borrowed my friend's VCR and we edited between the VCR tapes. and which also meant pausing pausing and then going back and forth in which case also remember like the VCR's when you pause there was always that rainbow that would kind of. Why do you have that? I remember reading something that Spielberg said in an interview that the director's job job has to decide where the camera goes and where the cut goes where the scissors go right. Do you think about that as you right as view shoot or do you wait until the end and look at all the footage and say here's will make it I think about it In the writing and then definitely definitely the most in the prep. So that when I'm shooting I I have the cuts in mind cause how you cut. It is how you telling the story. It's how you communicating hating with the audience. You doing something to their brain with every cut and when you cut him well I mean I think if a cut can mean so many different things that can be invisible if we're shooting you in me across the table and we go back and forth and we're talking you know by generally you're gonNA WANNA see see both of us talking at some point so the idea is to kind of create. A kind of seamless interchange between us if we if it was a scene in a movie but if we just stayed on you talking for quite some time and you only heard me off screen or you didn't hear me at all and we are wondering what my reaction is going to A. B.. Suddenly that cut would have a different impact. Yeah you bring up an interesting point for me. I saw a movie that had Al Pacino and it and it was. It was edited by that famous. Female Editors Name. I can't remember right now Dede Allen with Dida. I'm pretty sure it was Deanne. And and there was a long shot where AL caught up with somebody and they had a couple of lines of dialogue still in the long shot and finally she cut in two to one of them and I and that was a lesson for me because I wanted good to see that face when just around the time she cut right she didn't cut until I wanted her to cut right and had she done it earlier. That cut wouldn't have meant anything. Oh it would. It would be her or the director telling me what to look at. I always think about that with inserts. I think in the movie we do the other marriage story which is such a beautiful movie. I'm so proud to be an. I don't think you used in search. Maybe more maybe one insert. I can remember yet the the well because also the the when we a kind of I suppose a featured insert in the movie is when they signed their divorce papers and That's another example. Had we use inserts concerts throughout the movie. And you're used to looking at all these screens or or pages things. It might not have the impact the impact we also see it when he signing a check. He's writing actually your character. Check for twenty five thousand dollars Oh I missed that. I have to see the movie. There's an insert there to go go to explain for anybody who doesn't know that an insert is a shot that is very close to a little bit of action or an object subject that That moves the story or explains part of the story. But to me you know like an example would be if The sheriff is talking to the villain in sheriff. You see a tight shot of the sheriff's hand moving his coat back to reveal his gun right then. Then that's an insure. That's great use of an insert The for instance like the psycho shower scene being like a obviously a kind of maybe iconic example of a a scene those thirty some cuts under. Yeah I forget highly made edits and it's So that your experience watching it is you you. There's this feeling that you're seeing much more than you. Really are the interesting thing about that sequence his unlike most inserts because it tells a story three in a sequence of insearch it's not like Dick Director saying this is what I want you to look at. He's telling you a whole leather story right. That's true I think yeah sometimes. An insert is purely practical. You know you have to see the the thing that somebody's writing the thing on the screen you know. I mean I find now in the digital age the this nothing more boring than shooting phones uh-huh and computer screens for a while. It was exciting than the letters are showing up on this. I know and terrible cliche but sometimes you have to do something like that because it's part of life it's part of a thing but then there's the the insert like your sheriff example or psycho or our Where the fact that you're seeing this moment it really does move move? The story storytelling exactly in terms terms of storytelling. How much are you aware of what the audiences thinking as you tell the story? Are you involved in your own. The understanding of which coming from the back of your head more than you're worth thinking about how it lands on them which way to go both ways I think both ways both are kind of running simultaneously because on one hand I find clarity is such a big is such an important part of storytelling. It's such an important part of visual storytelling. Also is is do. We know where we are. Do you know what the room looks like when we're if we're going to return to this place later are we shooting it from the same angle so that we know it's the same place because it's it's that thing you discover of course when you're when when you're shooting on location or something you you think. Well we all know what this looks like. So we know that the kitchen's over there you have to remember what does the audience now and You know what I started out. I think I would find myself sort of assuming that people would know this was the the same location or this was the same characters and discovering in the editorial may be that. Oh I I I shot it. There's no way to know that this assist the same when I was starting out on film as a young actor. The director said to me one point. This is a geography geography shut. We'll go from here and I had never heard anything like that before and they started to laugh a geography shut adult. We rent a movie. It sounded like a travelogue. Yeah but he was establishing in the audience's mind where everything was taking place and of course. You want to do that in a way. That doesn't maybe feel to extinguish geography geography shot. And I've done. I shot him. I made a movie Margot at the wedding. Where part of what we did deliberately? We never had establishing shots. The whole thing was to keep you off balance and it was kind of perpetual actual feeling of discovery And we also did that editorially. In that movie we would cut in and out of scenes often in the middle so that I was felt that the next scene. You didn't need reaction shots to like. I mean you might have a reaction shot within the scene but you didn't need like to end scene with a reaction shot to see how somebody was feeling. The next next scene could answer that for you It's all I also think about it in the script stage and rehearsals and is the UH is is clarity of narrative and you know and in that way I have the audience very much in mind in that I want them to. You know to the degree that I think it's important. I want them to have the bearings. I feel they need given that there's going to be complexities and and emotional emotional content. That might be might be more open for interpretation thinking in a sense it leaves the stuff that you want maybe to be more open for interpretation and You know they they. They know they know what they need to know. So the stuff that maybe they're discovering or the stuff they're feeling is can be can be more pleasurable and yet you do it in an who. You provide this clarity and very Almost it seems almost effortless which which is a clue that. It's probably not in the sense that I don't see your movies full of a lot of Explaining where we are how we got here and that kind of thing you you understand it in the doing of it exposition. Did you struggle with exposition to keep us clear about where we are and what the back story is without having somebody explain it to well. It did that that is a challenge and and often you're hoping it's kind of invisible but But but at the same time it really needs to be in there I mean even just basic things I mean what what we had in marriage story which was helpful was you had Charlie Nicole Adam driver Scarlett Johansson's characters Meeting with lawyers And and by design and interview like like you're seeing with Adam when he first meeting with you by designing interview is people explaining themselves and explaining explaining the situation so that was in in a way a gift because I could build it into the scenes I could build both both exposition or explanation but also character and story in a way that felt organic to the to the scene itself. There always was a tradition. I remembered movies. Ovation the forties that. I grew up on where there would be the best friend to whom everything would be exploited right the best friend or somebody particularly Shakerley stupid. Who needed to have the whole thing? Explain Yeah I don't think that's changed so much. I was watching a movie not long ago worth worth somebody said like. Oh you know how dad is. He's in the whole thing and I thought wow you didn't even really try to I. I was in play once they lasted. I think one night opening night was same as closing night I think and the the exposition was handled by the maid. Who came in putting props down all around the room and each prop was a chance for her to explain different aspect? Ah Deleting Characters version -ality and on opening night the prop man forgot to set out the product. Now the whole whole routine of explaining the guy when out the window goes you had no proud so she just looked at his age he said well I leave you to your own devices. You no abound back and I continue our conversation after this short break and when we do I'm surprised to find out about an important decision. He made before the shooting of marriage story. 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I've seen it three times and I got choked up again on the third try. My goal is to watch it without getting choked. Hooked up where it's it's true. It's one of those films where you cry. You laugh you go through the emotional roller coaster of everything that's in there because Adam driver Scarlett Johansson As two people on the screen are just electrified. Just loved their performances. I learned something acting across the room from them and I continue to sitting in the audience watching them or now able to sit on the couch and watch it on Netflix. Where you ray Liotta and Laura dern all have great eight characters in this two years of different kinds of lawyers you get the spectrum of lawyers in this one an lawsuits and you had a great interview with no bombeck? Not Not too long ago to where he talked about the film. And what was it like working with Noah I've loved working with Noah in fact everybody in the movie had makes a special point of how much fun it is to work with him in his role as director and to a great extent. That's because in his role is a writer. He so good and when you read the script realize it's all there in the script even things that people come up to me and say was. That moment improvised no. It looks improvised. 'cause it so natural and his such a reflection of real life put every moment every word was written by him over for a long period of time using his own experience as a basis for the script and using the experiences of his friends. That's why ring show true. I think and in listeners of clear and vivid you can go see marriage story now in theaters and if you're subscriber net flicks it comes out on December six of check it out. We'll all be watching. I hope so. We will be watching everybody. The Academy Awards to. I think. 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They're that close. UPS should should be used sparingly. Because I thought you know these were both characters who were part of their obstacles are themselves and which ages both a A human common human challenge for some people Are All people to some degree but also oh I almost related it to like silent comedy or something like a Buster Keaton movie or Charlie Chaplain movie where these individuals kind of at the fate. You know. Ah they're they're they're. They're sort of the the mercy I should say of of you know it could be a storm. It could be. There's often a big comic set piece there. You Know Charlie Chaplin in the factory and you know in modern times or the gold rush with the you know the cabin coming off the cliff and even though I was telling sort of a different kind of comedy in in a sense I I often I wanted to show the characters in the world know. There are a lot of wide shots. I mean also. Both Ben Stiller Played Greenberg Greta Gerwig who plays Francis. They're are great comedians and great physical actors so again seeing them seeing their bodies you know in in the world in in in in the case of Francis she plays a dancer too so often saw scenes. There are dance sequences in the movie but scenes. Even when she's not even dancing I thought of her sort of a PR performer. Or a dancer in the world with marriage story. It was different because it was it was ah to hander. In two characters in the sense who go on a kind of journey I felt the the internal life was something that I wanted on it to document or and so I felt close ups. We're going to be very important and I. I even used a different aspect ratio. which is the you know the frame itself of the movie? I mean letterbox and the old fashioned square yells. Yeah what they call the academy which is one three and the numbers of this sort of the ratio so that dimensions of the bill you change the ratio would shot shot previously. Most movies are one eight five which is a fairly common aspect ratio for movies. I mean to what was what was marriage story every one six six so it was slightly more narrow very interesting. This is a real question of you communicating with the audience. And they don't even know it right right. I mean the the aspect ratio the shape of screen. Tell me how changing the shape of the screen in matters. What why did it tell the story better? Well I think it created a sense of portraiture when we were in close up and it'll I some he so that the face would would would wouldn't have allowed space left over in boats. It's more narrow on the sides I think. Also because of audience's expectations were used to too wide screen is particularly right. Now I think is used a lot and eight five is stop wide-screen. It's almost sort of like what a TV shape is no TV's he's now with more rectangular are more. Maybe an audience is sort of expectation for an image you know currently so by narrowing it slightly. I don't I don't know I guess I felt like maybe it would kind of focus you in more and in particularly in these close ups did become becomes kind of mostly invisible way of slightly changing your perspective. When you're watching that it that it certainly was invisible invisible to me? I had no awareness that you would change the shape of the screen and and it probably had some effectively. How do you know it's having the effect? Thanks Ernie Way to test the idea. I think I just go go. More off. Visually tests in we did tests in different aspect ratios camera tests I love how the close ups Felton one six six. I felt it just held the face in a really away and that was kind of what Robby Robbie Ryan knew who shot movie and I went to was that was that going with that feeling It's interesting I mean especially as a young actor actor dash filmmaker. I used to love to watch movies made on small budgets and see how they solve the problems. There was that one movie. It was a western made by a director who made them home movie for three thousand dollars and he raised the money by being subject subject for drug trial. What movie was that? I think it was the director of Rodrigues. I forget the name movie. But when I love loved El Mariachi Mizzou I think so. Yeah when I loved about it was almost a home. Movie was in closeups because he lit the movie with two bulbs CBS. He couldn't light a whole room. He didn't have the equipment so you. He told his story in. Totally almost was totally enclosed subs except when he was outside and they had had little ambient light nigger shoot larger scenes. It fascinated me how he was able to use the constraint to tell his story through the constraint I think having limitations in in and probably in all art forms but I can speak from my own experience to making movies in some ways I think it it. It really can up your game. I mean you I think in the way you you described being a perfect example of it can style can be born out of these limitations that actually you know that that you might otherwise it's not of otherwise found in yourself. I mean I I When I made squid we had very little money and very little time and the movies all hand-held and you know part of it from you could say from an aesthetic uh and narrative standpoint and emotional standpoint you can say oh but it brings the kind of intimacy did feels kind of almost documentary? Like you're you're kind of in the family family life in a way that you wouldn't be if you were raised standing back and again that's under the level of consciousness snus is right right and that's true but it actually given the time constraints we had. It actually was a practical decision as much as anything. which was AH I knew? Then we could kind of swing around and shoot decide and this side then. We wouldn't have to kind of stop and turn around we that it just it it it the immediacy actually help us get more done and I could have discovered a style based on on the kind of constraints us that are right up against you when you talk about being on the set. You reminding me that. We've I've been talking about communicating with the audience and I was where on the side with you. Making marriage story was how you communicated and with the actors the director has to communicate with so many people the crew couple of hundred people often. And when you talk to the crew do you do you talk in terms of storytelling or do you do you talk in terms of the effect you WanNa create generally storytelling storytelling. I mean it's also why I like to you know as soon as I know I'm going to work with somebody like I love to bring them in early because in sometimes even while I'm still working on the script because I feel like the more time we have communicating. It's only going to benefit. You know what happens when we're shooting on the set on the day on the set with you know the light fading or what you know all the the crazy things we we put up with the movie making when they when they know. Exactly what you what you doing what. Why are you doing it within their collaborators? Rather than yeah and my hope is that that then you know actors will feel when they even. I got the script that that that they're kind of in it already. You know that you know when they go through their process of learning their lines in preparing on their end that would not feel entirely unfamiliar earlier. What they've received and same thing for crew members? I mean. Sometimes you just don't know you don't have the luxury of knowing everybody who you're going to be working with somebody's not available something changes When you do for me I think it's? It's a great importance to have. Everybody kind of know is much as possible at the earliest possible stage stage. So as we've been talking to the press you and I about the movie I love and praised you for nunnelee not being being the director but being they're collaborating in watching the thing develop watching go to character in the scene develop as a kind of collaborative observer almost and not having a secret agenda. That you're manipulating the actor into now at now I never heard from you. That was my impression now. It's now it's time to come. which was did I miss did were you? I mean he played. Did you into that thought. No I don't I don't I don't work that way I mean I. I wouldn't know how to work that way. What happens so often while we're shooting in and it certainly happened on marriage story in our scenes you're scenes in the movie is You know I know a certain amount going in. I know I have all my ideas. The planning for the scene and everything is is quite mapped out and thought through and shot listed and we've rehearsed and all all of that's there but that's all because I know we're all GonNa learn so much in the moment during the course of shooting the sequence wins and sometimes I find it funny question sometimes like the you know the might say to me like do you have it because like you get. Did you get what you decided you want right. Exactly and and And you know I tend to do a lot of takes and I find a lot of the time you'll do something the scene that gives me an idea a new idea for the new idea about what this could be about and my impression was If that happened that you would then explore that for four-five takes and see who could develop into something even more than either of his heads thought. Oh absolutely and and the sequence where there are. We're GONNA be cuts. You know the the the the mediation seen when there's four people in the room together actually six people including associates. Who are sitting behind you? You you might get in those four takes a couple of moments that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise that then you can include You know in in in in in the course of the scene that's going to just sort of been enriched the whole thing and also the hope. Is that from your perspective in discovering things you know it. It's going to also give you more to an and I think it's such a pleasure in our jobs I think is is is getting to play with these things. I mean I think for me the thing. I'm so clear about when I'm shooting is having the time because because if if you don't have the time it puts everybody more in the mindset of did we get it as opposed to have we explored it right. You know I it satisfactorily Dr. -Ly do we all feel like we tried all the things we wanted to try. Have we all gotten everything from the day so that we don't go home. You never do anyway. When you're shooting movie always go home and think ooh what about But you know at least to minimize that as much as actors off into that on the way home Play the scene ten more times with different variations right and I'm trying to hopefully minimize that. So that you know but variations is on film. Yes yes exactly. You have such respect for the acting process that I read someplace place that you did. You studied Improv. Yeah I did Improv in college And and in those days as I I was probably even a part of me thought maybe I would want to be an actor I always wanted to write and direct but maybe I would want to act as well. Oh but I loved improvisation. I liked working that way. It was something I talking about Improv. Once with Mike Nichols who obviously did it at a tie. Hi It's highest level And he he said he always thought of Improv when he was directing actors because he thought when. You're when you're improvising vising. You're not thinking about like what's my character's motivation would I say this. How do I say this my a happy sad? He said you're just so excited to have thought of the thing you're saying in that moment that you just say it and he said I always want to try to get actors us to that point where they're just saying it and saying it because the other character the other actor makes you say absolutes crusade in a certain way absolutely and that changes from take to take on the stage it changes from night tonight absolutely and and again. That's why I like to do many of them. Because if you find something new inevitably atoms GonNa find something new if Adam finds that new inevitably you're gonna find something new there. Th there could be a take where you feel like you feel it going in a direction but it didn't quite go and then sometimes it's my job to point that out and maybe sort of nudged in that direction other times. I I can tell you're gonna get to there so I won't say anything. We just run it again. Go in the you know everybody. I've talked to Yoyo Ma. It sucked Perlman Ullman Renee Fleming in that field. The field of music has the same thing to say about the performance. The the moment moment of performance where you're prepared as you can be and then you take off and you don't exactly know where you're gonna go but you're going based on what's happening right now in reality right now is so much better than last night when you decided how you were going to do it right right. The the the music that the comparison composers and players Is I mean it's IT'S A. It's an apt one because it is the thing if they have the score the scores the score. They're playing those notes had yet every performance is a little different. Yeah well all right now includes includes the idea that we have to come to an end of our conversation. Stop I talk shop with you all day me too. We always end our conversations which seven quick questions and the nine embarrassing. What do you wish you really understood? Well I was GONNA say my own mind. Nobody said that pretty good but and I was wondering. Do I really want to Well if you figure it out let me know okay number two how do you how do you tell someone. They have have their facts wrong. How do I tell them? Yeah do you. Well that's I mean that's directing actually is not it's not dissimilar thing although there's no right or wrong I would say gently not not presenting it as a as as a separate right but maybe just introducing adducing the right into the conversation that maybe they will take take the right and and and another way to look at it not necessarily right right but absolute right exactly and it is hard to get around that. If you know it's a fact right it kind of his either yes or no but I am. It's actually okay. Good question for me. I often I find I can be very sensitive to somebody in a particularly depends on the person too. But in somebody if you feel like like a fragile ego or In some way or I will maybe just let them be wrong. Maybe right to yours may be flat ride I. I'm not going to push it because I feel like it's going to maybe provoke right. You don't WanNa get into a whole other thing right okay. Here's one what's the strangest question anyone's ever asked you. Well actually a question that we get a lot. which is what is the genesis of this project or or how do you write? Or How do you film I. I find it strange because I feel like there's no way to answer it But it's so common and I'm I'm always Taken with how often I'm mass these these kinds of questions that I have absolutely no answer for because I I always think I think conversation. It's like you sit down to dinner and and you all start talking and if somebody said at the end of the dinner How did this begin A? Why did you get on this subject? Nobody knows because it's all been he created all you know it's like Improv. It's all just happened on. Its own how do you stop a compulsive talker by pointing out. Their facts are wrong okay. I'll say how do you talk mentioned engined dinner parties your ended inter-party. How do you start up a real conversation with the person next to you who you've never met before? Yeah that can be and that can be treacherous because some of the like the maybe questions that you think are inoculated suddenly. You're not how did you get like the right right. You don't WanNa do that one How do you know the host? I guess that's always that's always a good way in right. Does that and eventually can lead to real conversation. Yeah here's one. What gives you confidence? That is a good question because sometimes it's just there isn't it you know I mean you just have it even in and and And we would do what we we do. We didn't have confidence of needle out of it. Yeah I'd say Greta having a great spouse partner who. When I'm I'm feeling less confident I can bring that to She's often very helpful in in in restoring my confidence and it's to create that same experience now with Greta with my say what I thought I'd finally shows. John was still arlene here. Here's the latest. What Book Changed Your Life Okay? That's good this. This is a funny one but actually it was Bernard Malamud The natural I read was like the first book I read. I think kind of like felt like a grown. Oh notebook how old were you. I was pretty young. I think it was like Like ten And I we were allowed to pick pick our own. You know at that point. You've been assigned books you know and I'd love to kill a mockingbird catcher in the rye great gatsby all the books that were that were part of the school curriculum at that time but then we were allowed to pick a book and I picked it because it was baseball. But it's really about mythology collagen about American mythology. It's a book that's just stayed with me my my whole life And they made a very good movie of it but they they've ch. They changed it in the movie and I like how they changed it as like as a separate thing but the book has always stayed with me as a feel like. There's a lot in it about wrote about the world and about ambition and success but also the American dream and what that really is that I think also it was the book itself but it was also the fact that I was reading something that felt like it was from the adult world when I was still a kid and that I understood it and liked it so so much it gave me confidence at way. Your questions twice. I know better her answers in the next question. Will you like let it takes. Yes thank you so much. No I really had fun me to thank you Allan. This is great and this has been clear and vivid. At least I hope so will mike thanks to discovery for being are presenting sponsor this season all the income from the ADS. You here go to the Center for Communicating Science at Stony Brook University. versity just by listening to this podcast. You're contributing to the better communication of science. So thank you for more information about the oldest center. Please visit visit all the center dot org no his recent film marriage story debuts on Netflix on December six and you want to check out some of his other films like squid and the whale and also Greenberg and Frances Ha both of which star his incredibly talented partner actress actress and writer and Director Greta Gerwig this episode was produced by Graham shed with help from our associate producer. Sarah Chase Are Sound engineer is Dan Zula are Tech Guru is Alison Causton. Publicist is Sarah Hill. You could subscribe to our podcasts for free free at apple podcasts. Stitcher or wherever you listen for more details about clear and vivid sign up for my newsletter police visit Alan alda dot com. Tom You can also find us on facebook and Instagram at clear and vivid and I'm on twitter at Alan alda. Thanks for listening bye. Bye and don't forget. Marriage story is playing in theaters now. And it'll be on Netflix. Starting December six Sarah. You did you love it as much as I love this movie. It's a great movie. It's actually my favorite Everett movie that I've seen this year and I can't wait to share it with a lot of people when it comes out on Netflix Netflix December Sixth Nixon our series of conversations. I talk with actor Ben Stiller Ben had worked with no in the movie Greenberg and Ben and I both both a lot of fun working together as actors on a couple of films including flirting with disaster. When we started that picture we really did know each other except for having seen each other on the screen? There's that moment of like okay. I'm with this person who I'm used to just watching. And now I'm interacting with with them and you know it's a bit trying to be cool and trying to like well. We were both trying to and the colder we got the more it amused us. Yes and then we got in trouble with the director. That's really starting to break each and I felt like we were getting in trouble for being funny and I mean that's the best. I think food the best feeling when you feel like. You're connecting with an actor Ben Stiller next time when clear and vivid uh-huh.

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Episode 75: Molly Yeh

5 Questions with Dan Schawbel

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Episode 75: Molly Yeh

"Are you looking to reach your full? Potential and achieve success in business and in life want only tried and tested guidance from people who have truly made an impact. You have come to the right place. Welcome to five questions with Dan. Chevelle New York Times bestselling author Dan Shop Bell. Distills the most actionable and tangible advice. From a variety of world-class humans including entrepreneurs authors Olympians Politicians Titians Billionaires Nobel Prize winners Ted speakers celebrities astronauts and more inspirational guidance. Practical advice and concrete solutions. Our our chat start. Sal Welcome to the seventy fifth episode of the five questions podcast. I'm your host. Dan Shop and my goal secured the best advice from the world's smartest in most interesting people by ask them just five questions. My guest today is the star of grilled meats farm on the Food Network Molly born in Glenview Illinois. Molly is of Chinese and Jewish. Sent with parents who are musicians in assistant who is also a shaft? After falling in her parents footsteps as a member of two percussion assembles which both won gold medals. She moved to New York City to attend juilliard. Molly turn the Journal. She kept in her childhood and do a blog back in two thousand nine after attracting a large falling on the blog an on social media molly published her first book molly on the range in two thousand seventeen. The next year molly became the star of her own TV series on the food network called grow meets farm which is now in its fifth season. My good friend in Middle Eastern Food Jeff. Gabel told me about ball years ago before she had her own TV show so I finally had the chance to speak with her about her life. Inspiration and advice. You're very proud of your Chinese Jewish heritage and Midwestern roots. How do you think about your identity as a relates to the brand new developed? I consider myself really lucky to have a job that allows me to explore my heritage and share it to so many delicious things about Chinese and Jewish and Midwest cuisine and so being able to use those in my work and to explore them is so fulfilling to me. And it's just. It's something that I am very passionate about and I wake really excited to do work every day. After studying at Juilliard in New York. How are you able to adapt to life in the Mid West? And what advice would you give to people making a big transition so studying at Juilliard? I spent a lot of time by myself in a practice room practicing missile. Afon and the tambourine and confronting things of `Bout My snare drum skills are triangles skills that I that I needed to improve And it's just it. Kinda trained me to be really efficient in my work and To Work Best. Under the conditions of just being alone in practice room there when I move to this farm kind of in the middle of nowhere. It's very peaceful. It's very quiet. I felt like it was one big practice room and I was ready for it after years of living in cities and taking advantage of everything that cities have to offer going out every night and trying new restaurants and going to concert. I was ready to work on my own creativity and and work on things that were important to me and focus on my blog and my recipes and whatnot and so. I would say if you're looking to do a big life transition. It is important to be ready for it. it's important. I think to be optimistic. Because they're always going to be little bumps in the road and things that were unexpected. But if you have an open mind and you're you're ready to learn about your new community and connect with others over that then. It's such an exciting thing to do. I have friends here in grand forks. Who who have moved here from cities and and In they're taking advantage of the winters there are going snowshoeing. They're going ice fishing there. doing the They're they're engaging in sauna culture which is awesome here and I and I love that about them because they're they're seeing all of the cool things that this place has to offer. They're not just seeing one pig. Arctic Tundra our. It can get down to forty degrees below zero and it's freezing. And and what could you ever possibly want to do in that weather but to see the positive exciting quirky things about this area is Is What has made this change from a really fun. How do you maintain a work life? Balance between blogging being a mom and your TV show not very well. It's so hard and and something that I'm still learning I find I really have to compartmentalize. I have different times of the year like different big chunks of time where my priority is is spending most of my time with Bernie right now. I'm not filming and I spent a majority of days. I am home with Bernie and I worked just a few hours a week really and then when I go back to filming I have to do the opposite. I film and then if I ever get a free moment I'm going over to see Bernie and and she's my priority then and I have to just balance those those two things and then you know every once in a while I'll wake up and be like oh I should probably like me. You'll do something for myself maybe. I'll sit and watch the bachelor and eat a slice of cake and so it's just it's kind of one of those fly by the seedier pants things and and it's really difficult but for me having a priority list helps and knowing that work and Bernie are you know they're connected. I have to work to support Bernie and but I also have to nurse so many needs that Bernie has that are have to be the most important so when times get crazy for example during filming having that priority list helps because I can no okay if I have a free moment. I'm going to look at my list and I'm going to use it as a guide for you know. Homina spend the next few hours so go spend time with Bernie if Bernie's napping you go take my once weekly shower. Which is all. I have time for these days. But it's crazy it's so fulfilling though. Where do you get the inspiration for the recipes? You right and talk about my heritage my Chinese and Jewish heritage is the number one inspiration for my recipes and by mid West surroundings now when I moved here I learned so many new things about cuisine about the cuisine in the Upper Midwest. Things like hot dish. Things like Norwegian specialties like left And CR- macaca and Krantz Akaka so many delicious things in. What's your best piece of career advice? Okay my best piece of career. Advice is to simply put in the hours. Now that there is going to be a period of time where you should work as many hours as possible. I think weekends evenings say yes to as many opportunities as you can that are related to the field of work that you want to go into and do as good a job as you possibly can. It might be sweeping the floors in a restaurant kitchen. might be prepping five million carats just so that you can be in that environment and there is so much value in just being around it and using every opportunity to show that you have a good work ethic. I've worked with a lot of awesome assistance both on my blog and on the show and it's the ones that show up that are ready to to do any sort of job just so that they can be around the food and beer on the show that really go far. Every task is an opportunity to show. What kind of work ethic you have? And and the person that is ready to pitch in and clean up and do dishes is the person that I can trust to. Then pitch into to help style the cakes or to help pick up sprinkles for the next episode or to help die the frosting and get the best color it all comes back to work ethics so. I think that being able to put in those hours is going to pay off. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom molly to Fatherhood Journey can watch grow meets farm on the Food Network and find her on twitter instagram and facebook where she shares her latest recipes. Pictures of her daughter travels and TV appearances. Hope you enjoyed today. Show and the amazing advice. Our guests provided. Remember that you can only benefit from advice if you packed on it before you do. We would appreciate your feedback in the form of review. You can leave a review on itunes stitcher or Pod Catcher of your choice. Your feedback would be very much appreciated head over to Dan. Chevelle dot com slash review now.

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Judy Gold: Challah, stuffed cabbage, chocolate pudding

Your Last Meal With Rachel Belle

30:11 min | 5 months ago

Judy Gold: Challah, stuffed cabbage, chocolate pudding

"Bairo SEATTLE I'm Rachel Bell. And this is your last meal a show of famous people in the stories behind the foods. They love most today on the program. Comedian Judy Gold. Judy has been a stand up. Comedian for nearly forty years. She hosts a podcast called. Kill me now. I am the latest guests on it. This is what we call a pod. Swab Yeah and she made a pretty funny little joke because she's a comedian. We are setting up because this was on my day off and so I was recording in my closet because my neighbors were doing construction and I said Judy. I'm recording in the closet. She said Rachel. I was in the closet for years. You'll be five okay. So going back to Judy's list of accomplishments era she won two emmys for writing and producing the Rosie O'Donnell show. She has written and starred in two critically acclaimed off Broadway hit shows. She is even competed on chopped on the food network and like any normal person. Judy loves food but she grew up kosher so there were all kinds of things that she didn't try until she was a full fledged adult. She only recently tried pork because she either got tricked into it on a TV show. So I hate it and it was delicious. Was that the first thing you'd ever had roasted pork yet. So if you'RE KOSHER PORK IS OUT. Shellfish IS FORBIDDEN. But what does it really mean to be? Kosher why do Jews eat that way? Well not all juice. I had my share of pork today as well. I invited Rabbi Menachem Kganaka to the show. He's the CEO of. Oh you kosher. The oldest and most widely used kosher certification agency in the world and later in the show. Judy and I talk about what it's like being a comedian in today's woke pe- seaworld people coming up to me. Who are the most risky Subversive comic saying do you think if I say this on my special I'll get in trouble. It's like ridiculous what's happening. We'll get to that in the third act of the episode. But let's start at the beginning with the one and only judy gold. Okay are you ready? I'm ready? She's ready so judy gold. Starting from the beginning I mean not your actual birth but I guess your career beginning. How did you become a comic so I went to Rutgers University in New Jersey and my dormitory floor? We were just so fun. And we would put on these shows. You'd get a note on your door with an assignment and my best friend. Put a note on my door saying I had to do ten minutes. Stand up comedy and news everyone on the floor as material and it was like God had spoken to me. I had two days and I performed in our lobby. I had a microphone and it was out of body experience. I've done stand up three times. Total in the first time I did. It was honestly the scariest thing I've ever done my whole life. La Yes so for you. The first time you weren't scared. Oh my God. I was like cough. I was so nervous I was so nervous. I it was something that I was proving to myself. Howard my best friend knew I wanted to be a performer and that I should be a comedian. And that's why he he was so scary. Then I had a real gig in a bar. This was the eighties that scared the crap out of me. I had diarrhea. Yeah Yeah that too. Yeah well I killed. I killed the first time I killed. Judy did stand up throughout college often. Taking slots at two or three in the morning at comedy clubs and she's never ever had another career. She's been a comedian since she was nineteen years old duty. I'm jealous of you because RIP Carnegie Deli. But you had A. That's right yeah the FAGEL named after you at Carnegie Deli. What was your Bagel. So they WANNA name a sandwich after you which is like Oh my God and of course they closed right after. Because that's the story of my last night and I was like you know what do I want because I have my favorite sandwiches? But and they're me but I was like I'm GonNa do a dairy dairy sandwich. Dairy is a significant term. If you eat kosher by kosher law you can't mix meat with dairy not in the same bite or in the same meal so a dairy sandwich means it doesn't have any meat and so it's an onion Bagel with cream. Cheese Nova Salmon creamed onions a slice tomato and a side of herring in cream sauce. It's so Jewish. It's not ever. Oh Yeah what was it called? It was called the goldilocks but it was so funny. 'cause goldilocks get it? Yeah but I remember when I came home and I was so you know my son came home from school and I was like. Oh my God. They're going to name a sandwich after. Meet the Carnegie Deli. I was so excited I said. Oh they're naming a sandwich after me and Henry says. Oh what are they going to call it? The WHO's Judy Gold? So when you would go in would you always order your sandwich? Just out of complete pride and joy absolutely. Oh my God. Is there anything those onions in the cream sauce? I knew before it's like my whole mouth is watering right now. Is it just raw onions in that sound? Well they're they're really soft. I don't you know I guess they they are. It's SORTA like Savita gets the flavor of the of the cream sauce waist down. Yeah I don't know it feels like they cook it. It's up in the. Oh it's so good. Herring IN CREAM. Sauce is a staple at appetizing stores. Like Russ and daughters Zeh bars in New York City. Like you said I haven't had it but I looked it up online and I will explain it to you so the fish is pickled but it's also a little bit sweet and it's marinated in sour cream with some spices alongside of those onions white onions. That judy loves so much and traditionally I read. It is eaten on a slice of buttered Rye bread okay. We are just getting started with Judy. When we come back she tells us who in her family was secretly eating Bacon and we have a rabbi joined the show to explain kosher law. We'll be right back. Oh Hi guys. It's me again this time with my shoulder pads on and I got my briefcase here because I am Business Rachel and business. Rachel is here to tell you that. There is a rare opportunity to advertise on your last meal for the first time in more than two years. We have space for new advertisers. So if you own a business or you have a friend that owns a business and you're interested in advertising on your last meal. Get in touch. We'll tell you all the details. You can message me are Belle are e l. l. e. At Bonneville DOT COM that's B. O. N. N. E. V. I l. l. e. Dot Com so our bell at Bonneville Dot com or even. Just send me a message through my instagram. Your last meal podcast and I'll get it over to the sales staff and hopefully we can wear shoulder pads together on twitter. I love that you're handle is Judy Gold J. wd goal. I it makes me so jealous that my name is Judy. Because of this you're a nice Jewish girl and I know you grew up kosher. When did you move over to the dark side and start eating the bake ins and the shellfish is of today? Okay well okay so it was a process so I go to college right and I'm in the comments the Mess Hall and I noticed that you know people are getting burgers cheeseburgers. Whatever I was like okay. I can't do that yet. Because you know the meat and dairy thing is is against the rules but I noticed people were putting melted cheese on their French fries. Now you're not allowed to have meat and dairy together so I would kinda change and be like all right. I'll just put the cheese on the French fries but I'll still eat burger but not in the same bite it was like sober. Dick euless anyway. So I started with the cheese Meat Combo I realized how Turkey improve alone is good. I didn't get to shellfish till my twenties Bacon. It's a pretty recent thing and I still can't eat ham- there's something gross about it like I see. It looks gross. It's pink it's weird. I recently eight port. You know it was funny. I had to do this roast battle. On the Food Network we were at the Friars Club. They had a bunch of comics. Me Gilbert. I forgot who else was there. And we had to roast the chefs but they had to row something right and wanted the rose. It was a pig and I was like. Oh my God what am I? GonNa do when I was like well. It's work at this old thing. You know it's work. I have to do what I have to eat. It is tracked so I ate it and God. It was delicious. Was that the first time you've ever had roasted pork yet. Oh so did your. I don't know where your parents still with us or not. They're not okay did they. Did they know that you fell off the kosher wagon while my father died when I was young I was in my twenties and I kinda think he wasn't as into it as my mother so I'm sure he had some experiences. My mother knew by the you know the and it's funny because he took Henry and Ben and Henry is really Julie. Anytime we got in a fight. I'm sending grandma a photo of you eating shrimp. I'm like Oh God shot up. Mailing you a shrimp. Yes but it was so funny because my mother was really Joey but I thought everyone my family was really Joey and so before my grandmother died. I went to visit her. She was in Connecticut the last few years of her life. When we went to this diner we sat down. I'm getting my usual the usual lunches for the kosher like egg salad or tuna salad right and we sit down. I'm like Oh look it. I'M GONNA get a tuna melt and my grandmother says it's the waiter comes over and she says I'm going to get a bealty and looks at me. Don't ever tell you I was like what believe. That's amazing habit. Oreo cookies to live is twenty five. We had eight hydro yes. Hi Drugs High draft. We ate hydrates hostess. I don't like we couldn't have twinkies or anything like that because they had animal fat in them. Did you change your order? Did you go with her into the realm of Bacon now? I couldn't do it but I was like in shock. I love that. I wonder if she ate that all the time then. Yes she did. I got so many stories about you. Know they all grew up on the upper west side of Manhattan and apparently my mother was like the Ju- police I guess it was Kapoor. And she was walking to synagogue. She went to. She decided to stop at her aunt's house and meanwhile they're having like Bacon and eggs she buzzes and they're like oh putting on the fan and opening the window. It's like smoking weed it by their parents. Yeah right they had to have like the toilet paper roll with like the Downey sheets in it. And they're blowing their bacon breath through it out the window. According to a twenty thirteen Pew Research Center study called a portrait of Jewish Americans about twenty two percent of American Jews reported keeping Kosher at home and the vast majority of them are Orthodox or modern Orthodox which are the strictest sectors of Judaism. But what does it actually mean to keep Kosher? I called up Rabbi Menachem Knock you like my. Yeah been practicing my whole life. He is the CEO of Oh you kosher. The oldest and largest kosher certification company in the world it started giving supervisions on companies as early as nineteen twenties. It's first supervision was Heinz Ketchup. Or hines products general and that was in the early twenties. So if you ever see that little you with a circle around it or an oh you or an oh you. D- stamped on a package of food. That means it was certified by. Oh you kosher when a food company applies to have a product certified as kosher. Ou reviews their claim and sends out an inspector the factory at random to make sure they're following all the rules. Can you just lay out some of the major laws of keeping kosher? You're sure so the basic laws of founded on biblical injunctions. Many of them found Leviticus. But some of the more famous ones that you're not allowed to eat not cosa species. Costa species is defined as an animal that split hooves and choose. It's cut so the common species You know cattle and sheep. And then there's list of kosher birds some birds especially birds of prey. That are not kosher. What are some of the birds of prey that aren't kosher? Crow Eagle the tallest twenty four. But we don't know exactly which those twenty four arts for example the word Nesher which means Eagle that we do know what's the other amongst those twenty four that we don't know the translation so we only generally eat goods that we have a tradition about like chicken and duck. One of the controversial ones but has generally been accepted is Turkey because it can't be very ancient tradition of Turkey since its indigenous in that states but somehow got accepted so no pork no shellfish and like I mentioned earlier. You can't make dairy with meat. So no cheeseburgers. No pepperoni pizza. Not only. Are you not allowed to cook together. Eat it after it's cooked but the legislation is that you're not allowed to eat milk estimate on the most common ones that waited six hours. Some people only one now. It's a touch of that tradition. German Jews had a tradition if waiting three hours people who keep strict kosher at home have two sets of dishes and two sets of pots and hands so one set is for meat. One set is for dairy. There can be no cross contamination. Which is something. These inspectors are looking at when they go into a food production factory. Y I mean yes. It's in the Old Testament it's in the Bible but do we know why. Why did they put those rules in there for us to follow? Ho? That's very that's very profound question. We can only speculate about God's vision for incorporating these laws and God's minders incident in beyond human comprehension I think the underlying principle is the sense of discipline that brings in terms of religious sensitivity even in the most mundane things that we do amongst them eating. I've heard people speculate over the years. It has to do with cleanliness. At that time things were different and it was harder to keep clean. You know with food and with the idea of circumcisions. Do you think that has anything to do with it or is this you know go beyond that kind of simplistic answer? It goes way beyond the Bible. Didn't to eating pig because it wanted you to be careful about your emotions. Ou has certified products for about ten thousand companies in one hundred countries. And the rabbi says it's more and more popular for products to seek out kosher certification and it's not just because Jews are eating this food. Only two percent of Americans are Jewish and only twenty two percent of them keep kosher but there are Muslims who look for these symbols. Are Vegetarians. People who WanNa make sure there's dairy or no dairy in something and a lot of people just think that kosher food is more hygienic. Growing up I was told that a rabbi goes into the factory and does a blessing in that blesses all the food in that's another component of making it kosher. Is that trail nor this absolutely not true. The function of what's coaches comes back to the agreements the means of production to make sure made an isolated only kosher lines and that's what he's inspecting for. No Blessing Okay. So this makes me think about how many things have. I told people that I learned as a child that were not true. I remember my neighbor when we were little. She told me that her mom didn't have a belly button. And I believe her because I didn't know what the function was. And I had a moment in my twenty s where it popped in my head. Hey that's she had to have a belly button. She tricked me. And so now. With this. Like years ago I went to Peru and I was in the Amazon rainforest and we saw slot in a tree and our guide told us that slots are so devoted to each other. They you know when they're in a relationship there in what is it called a committed relationship. Yes sure sheriff's off marriage slot marriage. If one of the slots cheats on other. They will kill themselves. They'll throw them self from the tree. I've told like a hundred people that story. 'cause it's a really good story you know and then finally ten years later. Someone called me on it and they were like. That doesn't sound true so I googled it and it's not true it didn't come up anywhere but sorry rabbi. I've been telling everybody for years that you bless the factories we call you all fake news rates all right fakeness rates needs a break when we come back duty. Gold shares her last Okay Judy Gold. I have to ask you. The ultimate question just changed my mind. Okay that's fine. What is your last meal? What's your new last? Neil now I think I'm GonNa go with the old one okay my last meal before you say that. I have to point out that when I get an email from you and anyone else who gets an email from you at the bottom it says sent while thinking about my next meal so I love how obsessed you are in this way so that's your maximum out food all the time and like when I work out? All I'm taking about is what I'm going to eat when I go home to when I'm in Yoga. Just make listen. I go alphabetically of like the foods I love starting with. Hey just to get through it. It's such a good idea and people who don't Love Food. You can't trust you can't trust them. No like I had one boyfriend and my whole life right and he did not care about food. Well first of all I'm gay but it was my experiment of how straight people experiment with being gay. Yeah in my time in the eighties gape. It was so awful to be gay. You had to experiment with being straight to see if you could you know because it was gonna be such an awful life so I had this and e hated food and I was like I can't like how can you not love food. I know you this evening. Is the greatest thing. Okay so last meal. Okay freshly baked chole- Yeah I feel like I'm one of those like ladies in church in the front row. That's right that's right duty. I would like that. I'm on a radio show talking on the phone. Can you hear him no? I want my mother's stuffed cabbage with sweet and sour red cabbage sauce. Egg Noodles I guess I have to have a vegetable. You know what the camera vegetable. I'm going to die. I'm dying and the vegetable. Oh yeah that's true. So what can you talk more at the stuffed cabbage? Like what is it with chocolate pudding with cream? All right so the stuffed cabbage. It's do wanted to make it. Yeah so you take a cabbage right and you take the leaves gently off the cabbage head of cabbage. And you boil them. So they're soft. Meanwhile you make some rice. You saw taste some onions and you add seasoning. The saute onions and the rice to the meat is it safe Yeah this is beef and B. R. I do beef and veal together. And then you make it into little balls bowls and you put it in the palm of the cabbage leaf and you fold it together. While you're pressing in the sides like a Burrito a lot of times you have to use a called a tooth pack to make sure it's you know stays closed. The sauce is a tomato and sweet and sour cabbage sauce but my mother also made it with Sauerkraut and there was also a tomato sauce but sweet and sour cabbage with two I was. It's so good you put some some of the sauce on the bottom of the pan. A lot of people bake it but she would do it stove top and then oh it was always good the next day you know what makes it the sweet and sour sauce. I buy it in the jar the sweet and sour just called that you can get red cabbage sweet and sour and then you add a condensed tomato soup to it and you make. That's how you make the sauce. It's so good. Oh interesting I also would like one of my mother's Peach pies for my last meal. I love chocolate pudding. I love that you have the chocolate pudding because that is one of my favorites too and I feel like nobody ever talks about chocolate pudding anymore. It's like a high fashion desert. Love my mother she would do mighty fine my and then a capital t. And then fine mighty fine because that was the coach and she would put them in these. You know those little glass like antifreeze commercial where the puffy white cat would eat out of that little crystal ball kind and then she would put which McCall it wax paper and a rubber band around a okay so that it doesn't that skin on top. Yeah and it was like I could only have one but I wanted to eat like twelve of them and I so good and you put a little bit cream on it. I love that so God so. Do you do Friday about dinner? And do you make your own. Hala every Friday. I never made. I wanted to actually do it now. That we're in corona virus. I usually go to a really good bakery. Get One I founded heading recipe though I will send you. Because he'll do. You know who Edina assessment is author? Yes she lives in Israel and she has a Newish book called. Saba and I've had the Holla from that book and it is the most perfect call I've ever had like the Nice Cross but then you just like tear into it and it's so tender inside it is amazing picking somebody the recipe. We'll send it to you but when it comes out of the oven you can see just by looking at it. That it's better than most hall is like way where the strands meet in the braid like the way tearing apart from each other. Oh it's so good and by the way French toast is not French. Toast without calibrate is for her last meal. Judy gold wants homemade HULLAH. Her mother stuffed cabbage with sweet and sour cabbage sauce and chocolate pudding with whipped cream chocolate. Now if you listen to my hommos episode. Yeah that I'm going to be doing the same thing now at the Hala. Hala is a braided egg. Bread that is traditionally eaten on Chabad which the Jewish Sabbath so Friday nights at sundown and then during the day on Saturdays you may notice you probably will notice now that a lot of bakeries only carry Hala on Fridays and to see a photo of the gorgeous caller that I made from Dean Assessments Book. Check out my instagram. Your last meal. Podcast I mean I know a lot of people are obsessed in a Lotta cultures. But what do you think? Jews are so obsessed with eating and food. I mean look at every holiday. Every holiday has food a surround that holiday like for poor of new home and Tasha. Because it's the hat of Heyman who was wanted to kill all the Jews so it's three pointed There's the breaking of the Fast Matza during Passover you now and I think there's something about family meals Chabad Jenner tradition and the Seder tradition. You know I think there's something about being together and eating. That is just so incredibly comforting. I read something last year. That summed it up perfectly for me and it was. They tried to kill us. We survived last. Judy has a book coming out. Soon with Harpercollins. It's called. Yes I can say that when they come for the COMEDIANS. We are all in trouble. It's all about being a comedian. In the modern era when the world has gone woke and Super College. Booker's like twenty year olds are having comics. Come and they're telling them what they can and cannot say what topics you know. They're censoring comics. And it's gotten so bad that most season comics will not do colleges. I mean I have people coming up to me. Who are the most risky subversive comic saying? Do you think if I say this on my special I'll get in trouble. It's ridiculous what's happening. Comments are getting canceled. They have to apologize. Meanwhile politicians and poets can say whatever he wants repercussions. Comedians are the last of the truth tellers. You know. We say what everyone's thinking and afraid to say. And where Social Commentators Lenny Bruce and Joan rivers and Richard Pryor and George Carlin and all these people who fought so that we could say what we say so. Have you changed the way that you write? Have you changed your comedy? Absolutely not no no. No you know. I thought gigs cancelled. All of us. Had GIGS cancelled. But I've been doing this some nineteen years old. I'm fifty seven. I've never done anything else. You know being on stage for me is probably the place. I feel most comfortable and free. I haven't changed judy chatting with me while she was quarantining with her family back east and like most of us. She has been stuffing her face. Twenty four seven. We're all in this situation and I made stuffed cabbage and I made a roasted chicken and like I'm leaning towards the comfort foods that I grew up with because they make me feel better. Because I don't have my parents someone wrote on facebook. Does anyone who has deceased parents. Want their mommy right now and I'm like yes. It's you know it doesn't matter how old you are. You know it's chicken soup. It's that soothing. Feeling the feeling safe and loved. You know there's something so comforting about food that you can't get with anything else and that was judy. Gold last meal listened to duties podcast. It's called kill me now? She has great guests like Amy. Schumer is miserable. He I loved her episode with Joy. Behar so funny and her life was so interesting. She's been doing comedy for even longer than Judy. So great stories and the latest episode with me. Miss piggy voice cycled. Thank you so much for being on the show. It was so fun. Having you and Rachel you are. You're just the greatest. I'm so glad I got to me. You've virtually and just you're just a bright spot and you're adorable. I've had I can't wait to meet you in person. I know I can't wait to have our Little Cape Cod getaway. Yeah and then I'm gonNA COME TO SEATTLE. Yes and we're going to go eat. Yes we're GONNA go eat your eat any Jewish food though because that's not what we excel and other stuff thanks to Rabbi Menachem KGANAKA's eeo of Ou Kosher and it happens to be Passover right now so happy Passover Rabbi Happy Passover Judy at the pass over to me and you and everyone but I just want to say that. It's going to be strange this year. I wonder if people are feeling the same way about Easter if it has the same effect quarantining and having a Passover Seder for people who don't know you gather around the table and you basically have a service in your eating symbolic foods and you're telling stories and you're singing songs and it's just not something that works when you're one person or two people. So yeah I'm Kinda bummed about that But semi or messages if you found a creative way to celebrate Passover Easter Your last podcast. I read all the messages on Instagram. And speaking of that we've been doing something fun on Instagram. 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1: The Little Kitchen with Rachel Khoo

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29:14 min | 2 months ago

1: The Little Kitchen with Rachel Khoo

"Hi I'm Tina from things, kitchen and Cook all the AMAS Moga and I'm Nikki River recipes, food, blogger and. And this past the Catcher Heine boots you buy the lovely team accuracy very much like us, Odyssey believed that food is a way of getting back in touch with things that matter the most in life food is so good at bringing us together, getting us to think about new ideas, and of course feeding good conversation Tina. You're so right to see actually specialize in supplying fabulous week on Mediterranean flavors and ingredients, and you can see all off yourself on the website, which is policy dot com spelt. The White S. It's definitely worth checking them out. And also they have a recipe section, which has some amazing food ideas, and they have very kindly given us an exclusive offer for all of our podcast listens so if you own anything from DC and use the code, W T F fifteen at checkout you'll get fifteen percent off which is even move a reason to check out a lovely projects, right? Let's meet this week's guest. Racial Food writer with multiple successful cookbooks. She's broadcaster and has had TV shows on BBC and the Food Network, and also very much pure lady and her setup online lifestyle magazines on the creative space collect welcome. Cost what the catcher Rachel so they say. I was doing the last night and this is a new thing I. I'm into. This is how. I like ironing now because I've put on a podcast and I get some piece for half an hour. And I was listening to the one you did with busy. Yes, and also I listen to a little bit to Melissa, but didn't get that far off because there were screams from a from the. Rest of the house from my two young kids. The army save you. Exactly. You're in Sweden so funnily enough I grew up in Sweden Molina's. Yes, so yeah, so I speak Swedish. all-time the I iota scout I grew up in Stockholm actually so from the AJ. To about twenty one and actually my daughter I speak. and. My grandmother used to live in Sweden. Louis Jen so. Yeah, you'll based stopped. and. About that. Well Paris everybody knew like I live in Paris for a while. And I lived in Paris that was the love that was for the love of pastries. Let's put it that way. I love the Patriots. Bit Sweden. I'll still call for the love of a man as he like most of my friends. We all ended up because they're mess, we'd not the vegetable kind so. Yeah? So. That's why I ended up in club and I must say like because I have a young family like living in Sweden in terms of social support, parentally healthcare I just feel so grateful. There's no way I could have the career I. Have Now because I have two small kids without like the parental leave given. Hey, and like the nursery highly subsidized so so it for me, you know I have to put up with really cold dark winters, which is like six months. Worth wrecked. So you plenty is this. Is this your hope forever now? I never say forever like I i. would live in Paris for one year, and I ended up. Being for eight is so. Yeah the moment is great time. Yeah, but like I mean. Who knows where life might take you? I mean I think I've learned. Quite quoi actually in the last six months for a most is. Just don't expect anything. What's going to happen and be be willing to like? Think on feet, and you know pivot change come up with creative solutions and not be. Scared of a challenge or all like. Say Failure now I look at failures? I'm trying to see failures in my life as A failure is just something which didn't go the way you wanted to. And how can you make that experience into something which is positive and learn from it and you know. And that way you just end up growing. You know I. Unless can difficult it is. Yeah I think you're absolutely right. Think the situation. Six months have been so strange and crazy that we've all had to adapt and learn and sort of you know and think goodness things that we thought maybe were. Building and growing and. Nuts now completely gone have to adapt so yeah. I think that because the grinds shifted so much Mona position on. We just have to think well. Yes, those might have been my plans, but now I have other plans. Because you've been in Sweden, I think it's been a little bit different to the UK. You've had a bit more a bit freer. Yes so I mean what's been interesting, so when like? A week before lockdown, I was supposed to film. A TV show in the UK in London Paris Amsterdam. Not Go like. That's off the plate. That didn't happen and then. We decided to leave dot, com and go stay with my husband's family in the countryside. In the middle of nowhere, so you Scandi furloughs, so imagine like. The first time we went to this place. It was raining. It was grey forest lakes, and it was like Oh my goodness, if this guy. Just started dating my husband, this guy as me. He's GonNa. Find Me. This is the middle the way you have to drive forty five minutes to. Get to the nearest town. we you know so is in the middle of nowhere, so we decided to spend two months there. which meant I had to juggle work and kids at the same time so I- tiredly. The sand and I'm still kind of doing that. The moment because they've got really strict policy at nurseries now that the slightest sniffle kids not coming in so far. We've told Toda's. Always have a sniffle. Say the never juggling kids at home with what and I decided to full well no icon do TV. Show in the UK is this something I can come up with and I can film in Sweden and the direct discovery. Reached out to me and she said look. If you can come up with a show, you can like film. We've looked down restrictions. Send me some ideas so over we weekends like. Ideas like version A. Version B.. Even like self shooting husbands shooting option, and my husband is not moment so I came up with all these versions from pitch to. Filming the show it was like than a month and it was mad. That's because no money you have you have a production company behind you? You like I'm you know I am always behind the scenes and very much involved in the production side, but this like TV show Rachel Khoo simple pleasures is like a make producer, so everything from compliant, says making sure all the crew and I say crew. It was me and a cameraman and local cook. Full people yeah, We have to take temperatures in the morning in the evening to do the to meet a thing. Everybody was staying in this little kind of village, so we were like meeting on the people. It was not, but what I've learned is just. If something doesn't go your way or not. How you envisage it just find another way so. That was kind of my approach to whatever was an amazing challenge. cheesy though. Scrapie must been a really steep learning curve, obviously having big team usually to suddenly you having to take on the dishing roles yet so I mean I have a background in food styling so before I did TV fit styling so I. You know it was. Like trying to find props, and like even had to do some of the design, the kitchen at my in-laws. It's very white, which is a nightmare camera, so is trying. To cover up the dishwashers and supranuclear concert. I cannot sorry. I was using sticky back double tate and I. Try to stick it on the distribution. then. 'cause the tiles. The back special white, so I got sticky on tiles stickers like white so I didn't I couldn't get enough? So had to alternate white tile, blue and white white. That's raise. So so Rachel, so we must Okla about how everything started so I mean because also you can probably in a position now where you can probably be bit stronger and creatively, but I mean I don't know when you first started when I mean I think I injured, did it stop was in. Paris cabinet has some books before that. Didn't you tell US Hustle? Started was a book, so it was a book so TV show I. Actually Work Aspect. Yeah so. I went to college I went off ends. I don't my projects about food. We had an architect. And we do a shop model to scale. And I made of gingerbread and I was like the scale ruler. To measure out the GINGERBREAD. And then you know when I graduated a paid job in starting, so I ended up doing PR marketing and fashion, and then by mid twenties I was like I really want to get back into food styling, and a lot of people who were in that field was saying either go work in a restaurant or go get sir, go to culinary school so I looked at culinary school in Paris Vienna and London and decided for Paris, because I had a plan B. which was if food starting workout I could learn. French and then become a trilingual secretary in the city. A. English German French dish I'm you know it's I can have a semi free owed? WHO speaks you know? My kids have bilingual. So! Yes, so, that was like my backup plan and when I was living in Paris I. Long Story Short I managed to get a job and a culinary bookstore, and I worked with a lot of authors and stars, recipes testing on their books, and then a fridge publisher approach me to do right to cookbooks and French off to that experience I said I really want to write one in English so I put little PDF. Email ten publishers saying I know you're really busy. Give me five minutes. I, want to pitch you. Some ideas got on the euro staw out. Those ten me ten three me meetings one meeting. The director told me she actually was like. Wanted to meet you because I want to move to Paris and do what you're doing. Billy the SECCA meeting was published it. Oh you don't have TV. We're not interested, but the phone mating was with. Penguin Penguin Random House. Editor. She said. I love you idea. Let's talk more the and from that I got an offer from Penguin, and then I got an literary agent, and then she went back to the publisher. Say ooh! Just GonNa offer from this, and so they had a little bit negotiating position. Yes, they say. And then I wrote the cookbook the little Paris kitchen at the same time I was aware A. Recipe testing of food waste, and it costs thing radiohead, so I couldn't open a restaurant. I could tables a to Immi- like twenty one square meter like studio a flat where I lived in. So like I would have lunches where people would come around a lunch was like a up, and this was back in two thousand eleven. is so PRI PRI PRI time by Yeah I was started. Back in two thousand eight, so pre above Paris at dump pop ups in. Sydney Paris London, Melbourne. Belet's. So, that was kind of my thing anyway, but I never made any money. You don't make money out pop-ups. Passion Project! Table for two, and then we're not almost finished. Writing the cookbook I said to my literary agent. You know I think this would make a good TV show and she said okay. We tried to approach them. Production companies in London. We set up some meetings. I met with production companies, and it's bit like dating when you meet. Production Company so one production company I was just fatty that say oh, like a bit old. Another one, said Oh. I think you need a guy to present with you. Another production company, said Oh. I think we should rename the show queen of tots. Yeah. But then I found a small indie production company. Plum pictures like we get to don't to change this. Do a little video. Tastes are the victims of Paris. We did a taste that we pitched it the networks. went to meet BBC to. brought some chocolate biscuits along and baked. They and at the series, which Ed in two thousand twelve, so the cookbook came the full, but then they kind of coordinate the Cook TV shaggy together. I'm not. Kicked off everything. I didn't. Say Many countries yet. Food chain languages the cook. Book has been translated into law so TV show I. Don't know anymore. And how did that feel at the time? Did it feel like it was quite? A quick sort of. Subject Cherie or feel has difficulty. Well. When I signed the book deal with Penguin. So I was living in this tiny studio and I got to go to the laundromat, so it was free gift on the sides Rossi to walk down three flights, and woke up another set of stairs to get to the LAUNDROMAT, and St Louis Drip real pain so with my first advance, I bought a tiny little top loader washing machine which I could fit into my ball frame. And the kind of waste water pipe had to go into the bathtub. Because couldn't connect it. I I had made it. That was when I was like I made it in law. Have a washing machine. It was like. It was and then when the TV show happened because I was still living in Paris I got that feeling. Social media wasn't. It was bad, but it wasn't like the way. It is nowadays so I kind of that fading Oh well. It's definitely half in the UK kind of back in Paris. Nobody knew who I was going to be deal so Yeah and that's what I really enjoyed. Because now I live in Sweden. I'm so removed from it like every day on an everyday basis I'm. Like I'm one of those slummy Mommy's. Not, Tell us. Feeling, I went for a run this morning and I have not saying. Yes, that's fine. Yeah so that's how I kind of go on. TV and then from then. I just to do more cookbooks more TV and yeah, and here I am now i. Suppose these days like anything else like getting book deals and things I probably would want you to have a huge social media following i. Know Social Media is. It's like if you don't have a platform nowadays, it's pretty tough, actually, which is sad because then motor writers out there who have amazing ID's? But don't get Belva Cini. Don't get the publication deals. So. But you gotTA remember publishing its Business Yup so. I mean you know publishes WanNa. Make sure they get their their return. They make they they they know in. It's the charity, so is understandable. They want to minimize the risk. And that's why when I first pitched my book, the Little Paris Kitchen. The publisher said you don't have TV. They were I was an unknown is too risky. Fool them, so yes, so so yeah, exactly so now I suppose instead if people have already put the work in and. Go to prevent audience that is definitely a little bit of reassurance for publisher is an Orthodox Jew something that. Actually have an engaged with the. And people were maybe somewhat to see it or buy it. I think it's not necessarily people with Oh. You got so many thousands of followers I don't think numbers matter. It's like. The engagement the quantity the quality of your audience because. I realized when I look at my analytics. I'm not I'm not very good analytics, but. My book sales do not correspond to the Mount, follow as I have and I think the people who follow me on social and more interested in my TV work than actually my cookbooks, so where I get the most engagement from is like. Or like people by Cook versus my my newsletters. And I always remind people. This is what I've had a block since or website. I started my blog in two thousand six to you can actually if you go back to the first post on my website. See take a fight over a biscuit I made A. The culinary. I made it the wrong way. It still tastes good. So that's why started blocking. If. You use like always remember control your plan. Mike the newsletter per subscriber email like the list of emails. You own that you own. That website you every time you post something on your website Dougal will reference you and help you with the SEO whereas facebook instagram twitter. Take Top. That can finish to more or like half an hour. Yes, totally! Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, that's why. From when I started. Both? Background in sort of Martin and social media dish marketing. Yeah, unnecessary everything's gathered. It was. Felt. My website is as important, if not more important long term. Aussie known was looking at it initially, but you own that platform so basically. When if Instagram goes tomorrow? At least the this'll way of communicating people accessing your your stuff. you mentioned before that? You come from a multicultural background, so you live in Sweden, but where did you? Where did you? What are your parents from so my? My mom is from here, not. Australia, that country in the middle of Europe. Apple Strudel yeah, exactly they live in the mountains and the Swiss. Soy and I spent like most my childhood summer holidays Easter Christmas that and then my dad's from Malaysia but the Chinese, so my great grandparents of from Canton region so I have I grew up in the UK but I lived in Germany. I was a teenager so I have all these kind of mixture base. Yeah, yeah, so I I am very open to I love other coaches, and makes it and learning things, and you know I'm not afraid of that, and that's partly because of how I grew up. Back in the eighty s and my mom used to tell me state, she had to go to the pharmacy to get olive oil. I mean that was the state of English. As VIDEIRA. So. That's my Asia you I'm I grew up with like you know random Carre Chicken Parade Schnitzel. We always tend to. Use a real hodgepodge. Like feared coach and my best friend, a primary school. Next door neighbor she got chicken nuggets and chips, which I thought was the best, and I was really annoyed with my mom that she would give this chicken nugget chips, but in hindsight I realize I'm so. I was so fortunate or I am so fortunate. Tab grown up with such a variety of experiences and so rich. Would you say so because of see? Well. I think that if he's come from from everyone on the same, you know from all sorts, countries and traveling things but I mean. I've just I particularly I just upset lawsuit of. Asian Food and Indian food is my real. Passion. have. You got specific region that you think you always come back to you or your most inspired by. Go through phases. I mean at the moment. Be Honest at the moment is all about I'm. Try to use up all the food in my fridge. One of the big things of being sustainable. It's like food waste like just not wasting foods like. Think about what I got my fridge. Make sure you don't chuck it out like so I. Really like always trying to use up leftovers. It gets like revamped to. Yes. Restore as a new dish the following day. Yes, so I always about using a and what country a where it comes from depends on what I have to use A. What was it today I had A. Puff Pastry, leftover, which had gone dry and or match I cannot tell you you. Race the tomatoes like a chunk of cheese, which like just like that little bit lefty code news anything that went on. and Few round vegetables so. I think that was a little bit French. Proven yeah. Yeah use it up on. That's my biggest bugbear as well in terms of food waste it's it's an infuriates me. If people throw things away, and especially best before dates without even tasting and smelling stuff just really really annoys me. And now there's some fantastic APPs like the audio apt way. You can donate your leftovers, which is incredible especially if you're recipe testing. So, yeah, no I agree with you there What have you got up coming up next? You've got you've mentioned TV shows. You've got a book coming out. How tell us? Your e Book my evokes. Basic Gay Rachel Cruze simple pleasures, the TV show which is out on the food network. It was made under lockdown conditions, and I was supposed to film another TV show, which would have had a big crew, but that got postponed, which meant. So many freelancers they lost out on a paycheck, and I thought well. How if I may all the recipes? I combined space from Rachel Cruze simple pleasures TV series make that into e book, and so you can find that on my website for five pounds, and all the price aids is going to the film and TV charity. UK who are doing amazing work like they've got hotline for Mental, support. Financial support and I know it was really hard choosing charity, but I just felt I wanted to give back to the industry who have given this opportunity to me and also? People forget the people behind the scenes any me, but absolutely there's so many people who make the TV show amazing and. Yes so like I really like. If you call by the then just Shat, tell somebody about at all shad. On social media really really helps so appreciate that, and then apart from that I've got I've actually got a new podcast series which I think you'd be really interested in but I can't think too much about it, but it's looking at whether veganism is the answer to sustainability. Oh. That sounds great, because it's such a complex issue and and people don't actually know the answers at because there's. Many, things you have to consider. We've had many conversations about this on the podcast. Haven't we between? Yeah, definitely and I think it's. It's such a gray zone. It's not as simple as Vegan on all. Begin I mean it really isn't and I can be quite opinionated about about it sometimes and. This is such A. Gray area and it's such a good topic, and I think seventy eight years ago and I started out. It was quite simple, but with sort of so many companies jumping on the bandwagon. So many. Things that have happened within farming and agriculture and so much information out, but it's It's not as simple as and it's a great topic to dig into yet. I mean I like so much. I know there's a farm in Switzerland who found something from C., a component and seaweed. He feeds this component. Theresa Cows, which means that they thoughtless. The. But. Just like I mean that's amazing. Yeah, not as amazing. Is. Like dairy like how we consume dairies, actually like in medical products. So. Mainly medical products say if you would find a substitute for the milk powder. They using tablets, then you would immediately immediately reduce the mount dairy we need to create. A woman who's in this like food tech, trying to find a solution for that. So it was really. Really interesting. To explore that. And also you know. I it really pushed me to think about how I can seem food and water. I want to be doing as a food writer. Conway, let's come up. To where we're running out of time, it's so nice to have you, but we've got one last question and. We always ask this question. Right at the ends, Patina. Special question. So last, but not least words that you live by or advice that somebody's given you, but you still. This is this is good. and. You've sort of taken that to haul anything that POPs out. Well I always have to say like my mom like my mom is a woman of many. Wise words. There's one phrase she. She said when. Just before the little Paris kitchen TV show came out of set me down. Rates look things are going to change this. Just one thing I want you to remember is say true to yourself, so no matter what comes around what offers you? Stay true to yourself, which means it doesn't matter what you decide. You can always look back and I did the right position for me then because I was staying true to myself. Thank you so much. Absolutely loved having you, it's. Nice to. We could have sat here for ages and ages and shattered through laser different things. We're really looking forward to seeing all your new projects coming to life. For the podcast while and thank you for coming in. Thank you so much pleasure I'm happy people want to talk to me. Thank you very much for listening. 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GUI Pre-Cap Week of 4-6-20

Geeks Under the Influence

05:54 min | 5 months ago

GUI Pre-Cap Week of 4-6-20

"Hello everyone and welcome. It is the gene y pre cabinets are going to have happened the week of April one thousand twenty before. My name is merciless. Gui Pick of the week This is going to be the release of final fantasy seven remake it's GonNa be for the PS four They put the demo out a month or so ago. And it was amazing supposedly. I've never played any of these games and shoot whatever for TV pages on Monday. Nbc has the finale of manifest for Tuesday. Fox has the finale of Resident Fox. Sports one has wwe twenty four. It goes back stages for big events like wrestlemanias and whatnot. Food Network has the premiere of chopped. Pop has the Bonaly of Schlitz Creek for Wednesday. Abc has the series finale of modern family and the premiere of WHO wants to be a millionaire celebrity edition. Ame has premieres of both ghost hunters and celebrity ghost stories for Tuesday. Abc has grey's anatomy finale. Anti Anti has premiere of Shack Life. Friday nothing new which is kind of a surprise. And everybody's supposed to be home. I thought they would be able to stick something new out there. Whatever for Saturday? Hbo Has the Premiere of it. Chapter two first Sunday sci-fi has the goonies because seriously it's always a good time to watch the goonies. Amc AND BBC. America has the premiere of killing eve and TLC has the finale of sister wives firm movies. You have trolls world tour this the theatrical release so whatever theater still open you're also gonNA have it on video on demand for DVD's you little women doolittle cats and escape from Pretoria for on Line Services Net flicks has the big show show. That's the big show from wrestling. Yep His he's got his own show now That season one bruise brothers for season one the main event and love wedding. Repeat for Video Games like I said you have final fantasy seven coming up with A. Ps four you also have disaster report four summer memories for the PS four switch an PC for Gyi News. You've got new episodes of gigs under the influence smack. My pitch up Keith. Father Booze clues and from the mouth of madness now. The five year anniversary of geeks under the influence is this month. Now with everything going on in the world. Today our original plans had to get shelved We're working on something. We're GONNA nounce it soon. So stay tuned for one more thing. How many people have already used zoom the multibillion dollar video messaging platforms user? Base has jumped from ten million at the end of last year to more than two hundred million in March. Revamping Zoom from an enterprise into a household name as an increasing number of people are begin working remotely and adhering to Social Disk Z guidelines and with success. The company's discovering it comes with a lot of unwanted attention particularly from teenage pranksters reduce bags. Who are bored out of their minds and self quarantine it's led to so called. Zoom bombings Whereas militias actress join random video meetings and broadcast graphic porn and violent imagery since zoom meetings are set to public and any participant with screen can share it by default It's easy for the Internet. Rondos reduce bags To hijack and jump into virtual classrooms or city council teleconferencing with disturbing video clips. Zoom aims to changes with a bevy new security measures. As of Saturday. The company announced that the meetings will now have a zoom waiting room feature enabled automatically so hosts can easily screen participants before allowing them to join now. It's been a standard measure rolling out for virtual classrooms as of Tuesday. But it's GONNA be rolling out for all users. As of Sunday. Teleconferences will now be password protected by default as well which comes with several stipulations for meetings scheduled moving forward. The meeting password will be found in the invitation. For instant meetings the pass will be displayed by zoom client The password can also be found in the meeting joins url most importantly though it means that people will try to join manually by using Meeting ID's tags at trolls frequently scrape from social media's or an share in coordinated raids will be required to enter the corresponding password as well it may not squash all of the zoom bombings entirely but it is going to put a major step forward to having this practice. Stop all right. This has been the G. Y. pre-cap you can follow along with all of the Fun Times. Gui PODCAST DOT COM. Do you want to contact us? Email us by deeks under the influence at gmail.com. Call US eight four five. Oh by forty four eighty four. That's eight zero four five zero five four G. Y. My name is Bruce. Of course all these things happened. I'm for the future and be nice to each other. Podcast DOT COM.

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Adulting is Hard with Jonathan Bennett & Sydney Lotuaco

Help! I Suck At Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared

1:11:17 hr | 10 months ago

Adulting is Hard with Jonathan Bennett & Sydney Lotuaco

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Let's walk out as close as close as co hosting with us today. We've got a very special episode with Jonathan Bennett. His partner James. We're going to have jill from wallet hub call in today as well interesting emails Sydney. Thank you so much for coming in co hosting with US and so excited we're gonNA absolutely crush it. Yes I'm excited to be filled in on what you've been up to since Bachelor in paradise we saw we had to catch up yet. We do anyways before we we do that. We got Jonathan Bennett. We got his partners. James James Von in-studio. I was GONNA say Sydney's last name but I don't want to pronounce it. I was GONNA say James. His last name didn't want him to pronounce it. Take your mind instead. anyways you guys welcome studio. Let's get around and bless very good very good guys. How's everything going? I'm I'm so excited to be here because first of all I think the only person with better than my boyfriend get Outta here and right now. Your hair is amazing. Hey we're in good company first haircut in over a year yesterday really really. The two of you have such amazing on. Yeah I spent sixty dollars to get a haircut and it looks exactly the same got bamboozled or what Oakland long hair don't care. That's where I want it to be like down past my shoulders at this point. I don't know I'm working. It's very alright alright. Alright trump and tell the listeners where we might know you're from okay so you might know me from a little movie. I did a couple of people have seen. It's called me and girls. Yes small film with an independent little the film we did back in the day with low Hanan fe People critics liked it. Apparently whatever hoping against traction but it is is it was so fun to be involved in that film and then also I've been in a million different movies. I think one hundred twenty movies twenty years in this in this town they call. Hollywood would but also I host a bunch of TV shows so host Food Network's cake wars cupcake wars Halloween wars. If there's a war on food network I basically hosted. And they're amazing. Shows are the fan favorite shows of the network. Halloween wars is the highest rated one by far on of all the shows. So we're so proud and grateful to our fans for that show and since Halloween wars was so amazing. We here's what we did. We took Halloween wars and we made it Christmas and there are are three more chances to catch. Holiday was on food network every Sunday night at nine in December. They're amazing they're there if you like cake and sugar and the holidays then you're gonna WanNa tune into our show. No because they're awesome coming understand this holiday wars in lieu of cake wars and then right right we go back to court. We changed for the holidays. And then we will. We're not only we're going back to cake wars. I possibly but we will be having a new war that I can't wait to announce in the spring. It's a new war. There's always a new war with Jonathan. It'd be like Valentine's wars or something like that. I was the more kind of. Let's say we've done cakes. We've done cupcakes. So whatever that other snack is thinking about. We could have a war with me talking about gingerbread houses and mentioned my shitting for gingerbread houses. Hi gingerbread vans. Oh that's the sign of yourself. That's the whole point of building goes but why don't we those become more mainstream. I don't get it in the line of cameras so swipe the actually on our last on our Christmas cake wars we made A. We made a ginger. We made a gingerbread house life-size where kids could actually go win and walk around awesome so it was a life sized could eat it while they were and they could eat it. Yeah it was very hansel and Gretel inside this cake. Okay all right everyone obviously knows well knows you because of your acting career right murals. Put you on them at night. What are we seeing lately? Besides cake worse cake. Hey kors that's your big thing. You listen that I mean I love that I mean big. Let's see cakewalks. What else am I in the horror movie? You did with Hillary. Thank you he. It's like one of those amazing blessings. What movies coming out right now that we can talk about I just I just work too much and I'm just kidding I just did a movie with Hilary Duff off? That came out this year called the haunting Sharon tate about the Manson murders. She plays Sharon Tate. I play. JC bring get murdered. It was a really really really the fun movie to make Olympia. What helps you sleep at night? Watching your boyfriend get killed onscreen though I saw a picture hillary instagram and she's still got it. Hillary hot. She's gotten better looking she's better looking and she's like a mom now and she will. She's better Mamba. She'd just newly had a new a new baby and she looks amazing. And I've worked with all these girls worked with all the girls that are in. That zone played their boyfriend in every yes and which is a weird career to like. If you look at the track record anyone everyone from like low hand too many binds. Hilary Duff like. I'm always boyfriend in the movie. Yeah so it's a weird career to have but also a fun one but I will say Hillary Duff is just. She's just she's just the real. They're all amazing but I did. There's something talking about Hillary. She's kind of just been in the business forever and she has like blase attitude about it which is kind of awesome. What's crazy is a lot of those childhood stars kind of get derailed at some point handed out life but it seems like she's always kind of on track on trade? That happens like here's the thing. I always say this when people are talking about childhood stars. Or you're talking about people like Britney Spears Taylor swift these other like mega mega stars. When we're developing as human beings in our our childhood aalto years and even middle school when we're learning what what relationships mean what the world is? You're learning the fundamental basics of how to be a human being and function in society diety. These people aren't getting those lessons because they're not regular people it gets. It's not a regular job. People always say oh. I can't believe you know. Britney spirited this or Taylor swift to this or whoever you know these megastars unlike what were you doing when you like. Were you playing Sega. Genesis like playing Nintendo and just like having normal life where you could function in as a human these girls are not. I'm not saying making excuses for craziness but I'm saying at the same time you have to take with a grain of salt because it's not regular life and it's not only public. It's and it's just just like you're just thinking about this Britney Spears sixteen years old she walks out onto a stage she says two words pyrotechnics go off to scream. Yeah that's your your synapses in your brain that are firing to your your perception of what reality is. And now we're like Oh and she said this guy's last like everyone calm down like they have co like. I'm not making excuses for things. That are no extremely crazy and bad but at the same time you take it all with a grain of salt there was a yes no and just to clarify that is not hilary duff. She's very well she's amazing around saying that about. Hillary is the best one there to that point actually before we went on Bachelor in paradise. I think I've talked about this on the podcast. Ask before that we we did a deep dive into our facebook social just like see I was looking at what I was posting in two thousand seven when I was fifteen sixteen years old and I was like who. Is this person the the most ridiculous things right. I would never say that now and if I ever said that now I would be very embarrassed. So it's like hey you're a teenager and and then be on top of that you obviously put like the people the public scrutinizing every everyone just your normal life like you walk out of the room a thou- a million people scream explosions goff techniques show with laser beam down on normal. It's a weird thing team which you say to that though about what you do when you were fourteen fifteen. I found with someone who interview celebrities for a living every day. A lot of people get locked into whatever age. They became famous. That's how people treat them so if you're fifteen and you become famous they treat you like a fifteen years. They continued to treat you that way. The older you get and and so you just kind of get locked into that behavior very very interesting. I even had to go through some of that. Just like coming on the map when I was twenty in like that it'll happen then and it was like you know. Well now I had to grow up and we James Always joke because we we we want to do our show someday. which is adulting is hard with Jonathan Bennett? Because like adulting is hard and if Buren Child actor and you kind of grew up doing this which I can you know. Have some of that for me as well. Yeah you know all of a sudden it happens and then people just take over and start doing everything for you so when I had to buy a car like the last three years ago I was like I don't know how I never bought a car. And then we go we go to the jeep dealership which by the away. Jeep is my one of my favorite bands in the world. I will drive GBS forever. I love you jeep. If you're listening but we go to the jeep dealer. We go we go to the jeep dealership. It's the Russell. Oh westbrook one okay. Over in where it's over in Sherman don't know I'm about to tell them what actually happened was going to say the name. Sorry check on your check under people. So we'd go there. Were in the lobby buying a car. No He's in the lobby buying for arrived. Say No no we have a whole thing before we go in. Because I'm like I don't know how to do anything. Think I'm like. adulting is hard I go in and just give them a credit card. Go over and just look at them. Don't do and what we'll do is when I get there. They'll give us the offer for and then we'll act like it's too low will walk out and like he doesn't even understand I'm in let's go so go in and go as soon as they give us the offer you'll say it's too high a walkout. They'll come running back and they'll say oh you know they'll give us a better offer so go in immediately people start taking pictures with me in the lobby so like the dealers are looking at going. ooh We got ourselves a live one here boys like we're GonNa make some money on this by the way I'm buying a jeep grand Cherokee Cherokee like. That's a great ness our team just doug jeep grand Cherokee not Lamborghini jeep grand Cherokee. Go on James so John is like. Hey Babe I got it like the paperwork solved all ready to go. Just get here and look at it. Make sure we're good. I show up. These guys have marked it up. Fourteen thousand dollars more than like even like just an okay. Hey Dale would be not even like what it should be. They were just everything possible. And it's because this idiots and you're taking photos with all these people clearly got money. We'll just take money. By the way I don't have a card sale time nerve into cardio. I think it was like some ridiculous and I don't want to say it was twelve thousand dollars down but it was something like that or they want like like. Almost I think it was eleven thousand dollars down and then one thousand dollars a month for jeep. Grand Cherokee Sane feelings out of looking at going. This sounds great. Sounds like outstanding idea so then James sees it he gets superman screaming at him and art. Because what I'll tell you the one thing like you do not disrespect my baby. You do not do anything. I am very much a protector. In that regard someone on somebody's trying to take advantage and on my they unhappy. Grab your stuff. We're leaving guy think it's part of the thing we talked about. I'm like great. We're doing the theme when we start out and so I'm like I'm leaving and I go to the car art and get in. I'm like that was great right. And he's feeling like no. That was great not great. They're trying to take advantage of you and I was like Oh and they come running running out and we got it down to a regular price but down to a better pocket angering. Yeah like 'cause you try to take advantage of my baby Out and I'm GONNA write a letter to somebody I'm GONNA get real white lady real quick basically cut the price in half then it sounds like for the most part way down but it was just one of those things I feel like probably the. There's a photo. That circulates circulates out that you know when people like rob a place there. Don't person come in there. I think with Jonathan. They were like Oh you can get whatever you want from him. Money wise when you come into a car so just go ahead and take advantage anymore. adulting adulting is many with James. Do covers stuff to learn. I know you got a great great Jeep Grand Cherokee love it and to guide to. I've been driving wrangler. The Mercedes Sprinter The sprinter s the it's very HANDMAID's tale but it's what does that mean collecting handmade. Yeah I do I do. I have Netflix Netflix. Fun Disney plus. Yesterday watch them into law and it was really good but But I see what you're saying I'm big guy and you don't WanNa get taken advantage of and I respect that you step in and everyone needs a change in their life. Three one needs to james in their life for so many reasons including me. I need a job comes any makes it better. He does. He does everything right and fixes everything I do. I do this on Facetime facetime with my dad I bring him everywhere face. I'm like Okay Talk to my dad. Can't get hold of him. You can now facetime before we've been together for three years now. Okay and had you asked me Great story so so he met me and fell in love. Instantly is what happens so you'll love it. I love it I I for James and what happened was we were. He was hosting his show celebrity page and I went on his show to get interviewed about Halloween wars on food network. Sunday night tonight. So if you're not watching that make sure you watch. Holiday was on network Sunday nights nine pm only on food network. Aren't Jonathan Bennett. Holiday wars food network pm all right so I was. I went on his show. Oh to be interviewed and we met on camera and we literally fell enough to tell the story to tell us the story so all right so back it up a little bit of a show called celebrity page TV. At the time I think it was season three or four. Now we were filming at the Grove so we did all very lar- view interview setups ups at the Grove. So Johnson was coming in to be interviewed to talk about Halloween. Moore's now the thing on my show is that I'm the host of the show so I often times trying to like get out of doing in the interview. Someone that I'm not really like unprofessional. So I was like. He had several that. I was interviewing and I don't really WanNa do this. Hold on I haven't seen mean girls like I'm not like all the producers on my show by the way there are twenty nine riot girls that are freaking out. You have to do this in the producer. That's all in that segment edmondson. You have to do this pumpkin carving with him because it's going to be so cute so I'm at home. I live with my best friend of the time. And I'm like trying to get Adams trying to get out of the interview with now and I'm like Jonathan Bennett Venit. And she's like what 'cause she fits the demo and she's like no you have to do the interview. I've gotta get a video for my instagram. Ask Him what day it is in October October. Third Hatami Fine I'm like you. I will do it but like you have to do something like whenever you want. Whatever you offer the dates finally my great? You're my assistant all day long. You have to do my research for the interview and you have to be my assistant. I find great shirt. Whatever you need so thank you because that got us to now being at the Grove doing the interview their interview setting up and I just got done doing access says Hollywood? And they're like Oh you have to interview. It's at the Grove with this guy from celebrity page. I'm like Oh fine. Let's go do it so I'm being such a Brat drive over to the Grove I pull up. We're we're I'm with my publicist. We're walking through and I see them setting up the lights and I look over and I see this guy. That's blonde haired blue eyed six foot four and I go. Who is that like? That's the guy interview interview. I'm like look up his name. Look so we're like looking through the emails trying to find his name. He's like James Van with a y. I'm like that's A. That's just silly and so then when I go to instagram type it in and on his instagram page it says LGBTQ. And I'm like yes. Yes so then. I run to the bathroom and mcadoo takes my hair so go to the bathroom to fix my hair and he's like you were going to go on. TV without looking in the mirror. You'RE GONNA fix your hair like absolutely so. We go to the bathroom like walkout his his producer standing there go to meet my future husband. She goes I think so so we walk over there setting up we meet we start talking yes so so we meaty eighty shows up on said he's already like completely in love with me and I'm like okay. Let's get miked up. Let's do this interview. It hasn't happened yet. But then we start talking a little bit of Banter right before you start an interview and and we stumbled on the fact that we both have the one person accommodate every gay person in Hollywood has in common and that is Lance Bass. Our fearless leader is is our leader. Thank you land leader so we have reams jade and last to thank for this because those are the people that ended up forcing us into the scenario. So we're like Oh my God leads. I just has been talking to his husband about something so I was like. Oh it's like let's send them a snapchat career so we have a photo of this moment as it went down. Yeah come here Jonathan. Let's send him a snap. He comes to me and like nestles like right up against my chest and I'm telling you guys like there was nothing and then he just like white across fireworks and it was instantaneous. My knees went we not. I couldn't catch my breath like butterflies. Flying on wood is having this is. Yeah this is I want to say it's either diary our love because I've experienced them both but I'm not sure what it is but I'm jaded at this point sue like I'm like I'm fine. I'm good I don't need anybody so it was just totally bizarre That happened for me and then I think it was pretty much the same for him the entire interview. I'm just like can we make out. Can we make are being. Such an interview was a disaster. So bad all the producers answers are mad at us which is not something I do. You can't stop me in an interview like Jalen. I guess fine but like this one. I was fumbling mediate and then we so then I leave. I'm like can I get your number news like yeah great so we get in the car driving home. My publicist in the cargoes. You're not calling him for three days. I'm he's like you were too much you you have to have to back off. You're not calling them for three. Wants to play hard to get and I'm and I'm like got you fam- no big deal. Yeah he'd drop off the car. Mealy pull my phone call him and I'm like He. He picks up the phone he goes took you long enough. I know I'm driving it. Would it be weird if I was coming back really just needs to kiss you right now. And he's like no go good because I'm already driving driving hard driving back to grow. Now Mind you. I'm in the food court at the grove eating with my producers and I've inhaled some Mediterranean meal with like a whole piece of garlic and and he's got coming at you know what they don't sell it the growth gum. It's impossible to find gummer to grow. Because they don't want it everywhere you know so. I'm not afraid to be running around the grove. I've gotta get gum because I'm about to get this guy. There's many butterflies man. I I'm forever and I finally convinced this lady. That sounds like little newspapers and magazines to give me her personal gum if I buy something from her stand. So got this lady's GonNa fill my home with gum. I've now run out to the parking lot. He's on one side of the parking lot calling me. I'm on the other breath for him. I'm like where are you like in the parking. The the produce stand among I'm by the Proton where it's like. It's like the notebook we're like looking around for each other. Then we see each other we run up and I go. Let's just do it right it to see if this is crazy because either this is really real or this is crazy. So He's like mine so we start. We just kiss in the middle of the parking lot. It's like the notebook it works. Go go where they start. Flying People are there then. He trips over over Pumpkin. That's out of the banana and I'm like sorry. Hold on someone's calling it's my future. It's just amazing. And then we go on a date night certain he was gonNA mess up which is a screw and all that was amazing. Was Magical it's GonNa you my best friends there and so she knows me and so she sees me date other people and she sees what's going on and she's like first off. What is this because I've never seen this? She's like don't worry he's GonNa mess it up because I dated Agar's before four. They always mess it up. What do you mean by mess? It up like try to like show off to Hollywood or beyond just like really chilled. I gotTA DOC wearing an Ohio University Ohio okay. Some like dad shorts from eleven short burly early right Birla both shirt shorts franchise company old socks going to call you but at the time he was on the set and looked. Holly I live I Lord Amazing Hollywood right so even at the time reason I live at the beach and so so he shows up and I'm like I we coming up Nina for dinner. He'll mess this up but it was a fun. That was a cute day like I enjoyed it like there. There goes my butterflies. Just let him go. He shows up. We're on the fourth floor. uh-huh come out on our balcony. I looked down. He's got to hoodies and he's like. Hey you wanna go to the beach and on my Palm Beach. Don't even on the beach and and we talked for four hours and we connect over all these things We both lost our dads to cancer the same year so we can connect over that so we just instantly hit it off and now we're here doing help. I suck at dating with Adina Babies. It was up to this one Saturday. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah for the listeners out there before we started recording the podcast James. Jonathan brought their dog in most adorable five-month-old doodle golden doodle golden doodle. And they were talking about how it's got this air of confidence about it and after hearing you guys share that story. I'm starting to see where he gets. That confidence no yes yes well you know what. He's his aim is is yes. He comes from sunkist golden doodles and he yes like why a SS yes. The Dog. Follow me on instagram. Like when he's on jeans because then if you're at the dog park in your calling him you're yeah anywhere those gays that's funny. So he's the best dog. He comes from sunkist golden doodles if you like a golden doodle check him out there. So what's interesting about your I story though is it was like there's an instant connection right because this is a dating podcast of course so we always talk about email in about. How do I make the first move? How do I ask him out on a date? How do I do this this and this ask but what you guys just did is you just broke? All the rules called him right away and you said I'm coming back right you know. I always come from the school of when you know you know when you know you know like when you find the one you won't be wondering is this the one it'll just happen Like you'll just know that's up. Excuse me you'll know that's the one and I got so excited. I just started hitting the microphone. You'll know that's the one instantly in my opinion and everything since it's been good smooth sailing every no nothing's been crazy Roese but good. Yeah I mean you have to figure out how to navigate with each other. What works for you? What doesn't but the biggest thing I've learned is a lot of the mistakes aches from past relationships? Thanks John that's done at two and then of course you learn things in your relationship. What works what didn't but then talk about what works and what didn't like anytime? There's ever a problem with us. I feel like it usually comes. He's like Oh we didn't talk about it but the minute you talk about it then that whole tension of what was in your head and with a story in my head the store in my head directed and then you're like Oh oh so seriously communication which like I had a relationship that did not have communicated so we really make it a point and it really works for us. He's my best friend because that's a big thing. The story in my mind. I think I got that from Brunei. The story in my mind is works for us. So for example. If you're if I get get out of the shower and I call in to the other room because I need consultation and Isaiah Hebei. Hey what you doing. Great Time to get it. Yeah exactly and and he and he doesn't respond or he responds with like something quick and just kind of blows it off. The story in my head is okay. He doesn't love me he's mad. I did something wrong. And I start racking my brain. Yeah when really the answer is when I I'll tell him I'll say you didn't really respond the way I thought I wanted you to. And so the story my head is that you hate eight near Matamoros. Did something wrong. What's wrong and he's like no baby? I was literally returning working out. Yeah I was like okay so literally. Even if it's the smallest thing in the world tell your partner the story in my head this story my head is this. This is how I feel. Because like you'll go through we will self sabotage ourselves we we are. We are so good at self sabotaging sabotaging our own egos in our relationships and like telling ourselves how bad we are and how much the other person doesn't like what we're doing. We're so good at that when you mar their desire from the two so stop the self sabotage. I'll call it out with your partner every time you have any inkling of of feeling that's uncomfortable or doesn't feel good just just say it because otherwise it festers and I'm like sitting packing my stuff like he comes in and like you didn't say hello to me after I got out of the shower and now I feel so I have like all my stuff in suitcases. I'm like I'm leaving. I know you WANNA break up. He's like what are you talking about. I'm like Oh like literally just communicate about every little thing like that's that's that's our key so that helped us a lot or it comes out later when link your triggered by this one thing and you're like I don't even I'm so upset right now because you just didn't take out the trash but really it's because there's four things. I love visual AIDS. I'm playing with coffee. Mates just keep stacking things on top of stuff so instead of it being his one little thing this one little coffee made here now twenty of them and they all hit a lot harder. It is totally that but to go back to what you said Dean about Like the rules of stuff. Yeah like I don't know I feel like that's like and somebody that like you know the people that can't what did you can't do teach the lowest matchmakers or people aren't really in relationships. Yeah yeah those little rules exist exist but like think about it as a human if I go on a date with someone or if I meet someone do I wanna wait three days in this world where everything's so instant and quick and social media and short little blurbs Mike even TV turn it equipment where it's eight minute episodes. I WanNa wait that long to hear the validation or to hear that you feel the way I feel that you're interested no right like so. I don't know what that old antiquated rule is. It is but I think that should be thrown out. Just be honest if they yell. This is how I feel. Then just know that. Like if you're going to be that person says how I feel be prepared to hear this is not however when if they do feel great awesome. It's interesting point you make too with Like the world that we live in now with. It's all instant delivery of everything right. So why can't you apply that to dating as well. Oh Yeah I don't even yes and also a big thing I learned is for because I've been through a lot of different ships in my life but like don't take think I'm not saying don't take but be be wary of advice from your friends that give you advice. That have never been in a relationship in their life. Yes even it like if you we all know that girl you know. We'll we'll just call her. Becky right like becky. Your friend has never been in a relationship but every time you're in or out of your relationship has all the advice she wants to give you white and I take that back to like the thing that Brown says about Teddy Roosevelt the man in the in the arena where it's like unless you're down in the arena with blood on your face getting stuff done you can apply you know I'm not GonNa your advice isn't really valid. Today may not use that as relationships unless you're a person that's been in and out of relationships and has learned from. I'm or you've been in a relationship. That's extremely successful. And you have the keys to why that works. I'm not I'm not here for your comments. There's me more it's a relationship advice from people that are interrelationship. Small Book Relationship Advice from people that are not in a relationship. And it's a super exactly exactly it makes me think of a gram of course Sweden Sunday questions. Licensed dating advice and it's honestly it's good advice single guy it's like. How much stock can you put an advice from single person like that? I haven't seen that. We did actually just do a story. Oriole celebrity page about him. How was instagram? Authors traps. The whole story voice crying certainly. He's giving advice because he's fucking hot it all the time if I was nick to be sure this time hence why I'm here covered up relationship and dad had shorts in this John Too like I'm like you know this is what love did I don't work out when you go and get my love but it's like one of those things I've never actually been in a relationship where I was like so comfortable that like I could just like that and I'm not going to work out with you. I know this is solid. This is real. This is secure. So I'm Sarbaz. This is the body again. I'll take it. I WanNa talk to you all day every day before. We have to take a break before we do that. What's next for you guys dating for three years? Is there anything on the horizon in terms of the relationship. What was said? How do you cover you got to do something like that? Yeah what was that again. Not Not he's got headphones on him and everything I say. So how does it work about right. Because you're like how does it happen. Do you would next thing would be marriage right. It would be like. Do you propose to you. Do you propose what a great question. Thanks for asking so we already covered so the thing I'm a control freak and I want some type of amazing thing if you know if or when we were to get proposed or take it to the next level engaged. That's the word engage engaged when we get these words. Every day the war was engaged. Malone words are hard adulting. The next thing will be to do that that but I was thinking I want to do it because I want to be like some type of greatest showman performance. I wondered to be like a flash mob like all these things because I'm extra like Guacamole and and with at AAA good jolly making sure you're with me on that And what I realized if he does it I don't have to do any of the work. they say yes you want to buy WANNA put on. But I also don't want to do the work so I'm like what's kind of Nice if you WanNa do you go for it because I just have to show up. Look Pretty and say yes. They say maybe I'll say oh. You never told me that was the reason you want to do it. I just thought she wanted to just feel like a prince in the moment I can give me your. I mean I do want to do the same time like I. It's a lot of work to work. I'm here trying to build our empire a lot of work. Perhaps so I have two friends who are getting married to women and their plan is to propose to each other at separate times different ways. Yeah so what you'd x one doesn't say yes I think about it and then later they say yes but you both get to propose later. 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Truly drink what you truly truly want all right and we are back with Jila Gonzales. Well as jewelry there. I'm here Jill. How are you sorry to keep you waiting for so long? But we're so happy to have you For the listeners. Out there as we mentioned above Jill is an expert to to help discuss the worst and best places today in America Jill. There's a quick run down a little bit of an introduction who you are as well Sir I work for a company. Uncalled Wallet Hub Also a huge bachelor fan. So this is a big honor for me Yeah and what we do is basically if we look at the economics of all different things whether as a holiday season whether it's getting together with family how much your dinner is gonNa cost but also dating economics out there for singles from city to city and kind of the numbers game you know. How easy is it to date depending on where you live so what exactly we would be like a key? Statistic you guys would look for so we look at everything from like the cost of the Dane so right now the average cost of just one date a ah no matter where you live in the. US is just over one hundred two dollars lots. Yeah and that's just the average if you live in La if you live in New York. We're having many many years city. It's oftentimes at least double that in New York. You're looking at like two hundred fifty dollars for one eight. Yep So let me ask you this because from someone. That doesn't come from much money. What is it like? Like what if I go on a date in New Yorker Los Angeles. But I don't I can't. I'm able to spend that much money. Does I mean that my Ability to date is significantly lower than the others. No I would say that as long as you're aware of that your budgeting for that you know there are always know and low cost I activities to go out and do so in. La that might be like taking a hike in New York that might be like ice skating right now So there are definitely Options out there but I think people especially just starting out and you know you might be on the apps or something like that just budgeting for however many dates you. You want to go on as something you should do at a time. So Wallet. Hub Is A personal finance website. Right right so it's not just about dating. It's just basically like this. Is You guys basically provide metrics for anything and everything and you recently just ran the study on the one hundred eighty plus. US cities across those indicators. Is that you're talking about. Yeah exactly so. What cities did you find? Were the best for singles so this year and it changes from year to ear But just the top ten Include places like Seattle Madison Los Angeles Rain Seven Chicago Auguring Sixth Portland Number Five San Diego Four San Francisco Three Denver number two and Atlanta actually ranks. Thanks number one. I'm going to go ahead and jump in real quick and call Baloney on that live. Here I've lived in La for four years now. I lived in Denver for two years after after college and I don't know maybe I'm bad at dating but it never really seemed to be like the hot spot for dates. You know what I mean sending what do you think yeah like. What are the requirements to be on the top? Ten is like cost of date or is it like based on how many people are single here. How does that work yeah? The biggest factor is going to be dating opportunities so that's the number one the sheriff's population so in La that's a huge number And most of these cities. It's a huge number. You know it's a lot of singles kinda working being dating. It's not really you know family based cities so just sheriff singles as wilder. These cities are in the top ten also some gender balanced going on And a lot of those online and mobile dating opportunities and then one other important factor is which of these cities have the most active tinder users and that that number is very high in La. That's probably very true. Yeah the big thing with Denver was when I lived there. There was a nickname for it amongst Basically everyone that lived there we all member because the ratio of guys. Two girls is so imbalance. It's like seven guys one girl. I'm moving to I was GonNa say if your girl moved moved to Denver because it's definitely the hot spot to date or at least be available to date but I guess I never really ran into that too much. I think a lot of it is. There's like a big tech scene blown up out there And then Los Angeles I guess the reason I called Bologna in Los Angeles was because it just seems like everyone in l. a.. None of no one's looking for a relationship so it's like perpetually single in Los Angeles Yeah actually and you can't really quantify that in in a metric where you're like okay. A lot of people are single but how many of them WANNA be seeing choosing to be single ours is like looking for dates and that's one question that we've been asked to. It's like okay this the best for singles to stay single whereas this the best first singles to settle down and we've heard kind of a mix between the two to be honest. I'm a lot of people say you know. These cities cities are great for people who might be newly single Who Do you WanNa date around and then eventually settle down so you know that mix is is kind of what we're hearing? The we see a lot of cool things to do in these places a lot of fun and recreational activities but again the economics. Thanks just they really add up to the point where it's okay let me ask you. Let's say let's say I'm single and I want to date someone. What is one of the worst towns for me to live in America so some of the worst places on here just for bigger cities I mean? One is a lot of suburban places where you would think That there are a lot more families elise but some other places on here. That are a little bit more recognizable so Detroit. Michigan is near the bottom so a lot of this to goes back act like job aspects and housing affordability a lot of these cities that were in the top ten have great job markets and. That's why young people want to go there Other places down here toward the bottom Philadelphia Memphis Tennessee Newark New Jersey kind of right outside of New New York itself. So what are the biggers suburban areas where there are more families or just kinda areas that need a boost job wise. It's interesting to look into. The numbers is behind a lot of this stuff. Because I have some stuff in front of Indianapolis has the lowest average price for a bottle of wine at three seventy five four times lower than Salt Lake City in West valley where it's if teen twenty eight and just stuff. That obviously applies to every day that you go on but you never really think to like AAC quantify and then be put it in comparison to other places aces like that. It's really interesting to kind of see the numbers behind it all. Yeah absolutely so for a bottle of wine you know that. Like three seventy five. I guess I could see that at somewhere like a costco. But it's like when we're comparing cocktail prices in LA and or in New York when you're getting cocktails for up to twenty five dollars for one Taylor that so you Atlanta where the costs are like you know you can still got a basic Martini for ten bucks You know even just comparing within the big CDs and you know maybe comparing the coast to more the midwest or the South just huge differences even on one day. I'll never forget the first time I went to New York. I was like twenty two years old and I went on a date with this girl who I was talking to and we went to the the rooftop bar of some hotel and bought us the first round of drinks and the first runner drinks came out to ninety four dollars and it blew me away I went to college in Colorado Springs which is like low cost of living. I paid like one hundred dollars a month for rent and meals like less than five dollars. Every drink was like it was like a dollar a drink right and then I go to New York and it was unbelievably high to like pre-game for Dan dates in New York. You probably sneak in like like flasks asks in your son or your wallet. Yeah bring a little water bottle. Yeah maybe that's what you should account for next Gel is just maybe what what states or what. Cities are the most like sneak. -able for that kind of stuff. Yeah you'll have a tough time in. La need more clothes in New York so that was the hard thing coming to La. To as I was like I said before I've been pretty broke my whole life and so coming to La and you go on dates and dates are one hundred plus dollars. I'm like well crap. I can't really be doing this every week. The ever asked the girl to split the bill on the first date uh-huh probably same humidity at absolutely does I can't remember any specific example but I'm sure that I haven't some okay. Let me ask both of you guys. Let's Jill and Sidney if if you're on a first date and a guy asks split the bill with them what's your reaction generally among my friends. It's not great what do you mean. Especially if I do on the day against like whoever asks picks the place needs to expect to pay for or it may take that as the word I mean we do have a horror story of one of our producers of this podcast actually went on a first date and they split the bill and it became a very contentious conversation. Yeah usually the friend comes on. And they're like well he made me split it so we're never going on. So yeah but the chemistry was there. Maybe it wasn't fully there and then that was like the nail in the coffin for Shiva in chivalry makeup foreign charisma. That's okay jail so for the listeners. Out there that are interested in hearing more about the best and worst cities for singles. What do you suggest where do they go? Yeah head head to Wallet Hub Dot Com. This is best and worst cities for singles for this year. We also have a bunch of tips at the bottom to kind of plan ahead to budget for dates. Aides to know that it is a numbers game and especially around this time of year with the holidays coming up I just saw some feel good. You know be patient. Tips me made me feel a little bit better about myself. So yeah you can have their wallet. Hub Dot Com. Ask you this. What do you mean by numbers game? So it's a numbers game just dating now in terms of so how many days you need to go on with how many people and then for each date the numbers of not only dollars. That's going to add up even things to do. Do that. You kind of run out of quickly like in this APP society. I feel like there's a new kind of dating trend that you see every month especially in the bigger cities ready so almost like a a less You're going on for How much they're costing and where you're going you guys should start start a dating site Side part of your website of while hub dot com and make it like a like categorize people by economic brackets. It's just another matching system. You know what I mean so we can't move up or down in class. We have to stay if you're middle class. You're dating middle class and vice versa okay. We're all spending bills. Then I want to put it out there that we're not doing that Not doing a great business opportunity. But Hey that's here next Aberdeen Opting Alabama jail anyways. Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it or definitely gonNA checkout Wallet Hub Dot Com to see the best and worst cities for singles list. Most of US I think thirty five key metrics that you guys look into right yes I I want to look in to. It's always fun to learn more about it but thank you so much for joining us us. Thank you gel tanks guys by so. I'm sure you guys know that guys are absolutely brutal to Christmas shop for. Its if it's your dad your friend your brother your significant other. You can spend days searching for the perfect gift and you hear. That's Nice Sousse other receipt. And that's one of the feelings in the world picture of the guy on your nice list because I'm about to make Christmas shopping brain dead fund because man crates dot com is having a massive black Friday slash cyber Monday sale man crates dot com knows. What guys want? Each grade is high quality fun and useful just like their Whiskey appreciation. 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She's all around Bachelor in paradise she was supposed to but then when they told her that they didn't want her to come at the end so then she didn't come so I was like waiting for her to come on the stairs like every day she wanted to be early. Cast like task. And that's what the show show told her like. She was like kind of waiting to hear and they were like. Oh it's like the end already so you're not coming Yeah that's kind of annoying for you if you guys are that close right. We're all waiting. Take care of what's coming out of the listeners. Out there it was mind blowing to see how much everyone loved Sidney down there. There wasn't a single person. Had A single negative thing to say about you. Yeah I mean I didn't date and really but I had all a lot of friends on the beach. I I've done the show quite a few times the bachelor show for those out there. That are that don't know now And I because of that. I've met a lot of contestants on sets of the shows on whatever wherever we are and I don't think I've ever seen or met anyone on a show that's it's been as unanimously beloved Sydney Taco. Let's let's ignore my last name. It's true though I I don't know I think that was like a great thing about me being there because I was like friends with everyone but also didn't contribute to me like being successful dating dating microseconds. Yeah but like nothing. I'm I'm not engaged like I'm not I didn't really Come out with anything so I mean I'm had like little relationships on the beach but nothing like stuck but why is that. Do you think I don't know I was friend zone. Pretty quickly by Mike Not Make Oh but By a lot of the guys like day one and then like the first like three days. I thought I was going home. I was like well packing packing my bags because everyone thinks they're bff's so and I was like a lot of people's therapist you I feel like do which was Kinda sucks like once you once that happens. It's the first time for whatever reason it happens. It almost kind of like a snowball effect. Yeah we're than other people are like. Oh like Sydney's Great. I heard you talk to my friend and helped him out. So I'M GONNA come to that with at the I'm like okay. Well who did you. Who are you excited to me? Going into Paradise I was really open to like a lot of people But then it's hard because then people start coupling up and you're like that onset checked off that one's checked wouldn't you just like insert yourself and be like let's give this. I mean you do but then you don't WanNa be like remember me like when they're like making out so yeah. I understand that make sense came onto the beach. You didn't even talk to me. I didn't talk to everyone but me I talked. I talked to Katie and I talked to. I talked to take on Jessica. Everyone no catch. There's a lot of chaos what's going on. I'm sorry I was just eating friends on me before I even met me. I was just floating around aimlessly anyway. Okay worked out so you moved from New York Arctic. La Yup. What was dating in New York like I didn't because you're dating obviously? Yeah I'm trying I had my first L. A. dating experience. Can you hear about it. Oh yeah okay. So it's like the Moselle the thing I've ever think I will ever experience so a friend sent me up with this guy who was texting whatever and like Oh? He seemed normal. Not but like like. I wasn't super excited about it. I was like whatever I need to go on dates like. We'll start doing this immediately. He was like asking me for my sizes like to order me things to bring to the date the first state we were going to have. Yeah I was like no you don't I don't need presents like don't know you're just like me. And he was like I will nobu and do all these things I was like. I mean I'll go to Nobu. Yeah sure so. He gets my sizes. I was like put up a fight but then I was like. Here's my sizes. We'll take presents. Whatever so the first eight we meet for like coffee because we didn't end up going to noble and he brings me like a shirt and then he's like the next day? I'll bring you your shoes. So every time he was like trying to meet me he was like promised me promising me a gift and then after we have the first day it was like fine and then he starts sending me things to my house like. He sent me a cupcake. The first day didn't get it and then and I was like okay. I don't eat a cupcake. Get it like I didn't my down. I didn't know she said as a surprise supposed to know that you delivered a couple of years. So then he sends me a creation bowl the next day because it was like a healthier option I was like I got that one. And then we meet again and he gives me Jimmy Choo shoes. What's that they're like really expensive like designer shoes? This a second date and I'm like I can't do this anymore like I wasn't really that in to him and then he was just like I think he was trying to get me to hang out with them with gifts. Yeah Yeah and I'm like that's not my love language. This is not working out of the gates like that literally. It was kind of creepy so then I returned that she was actually the other day. And this guy bought these issues in January of two thousand nineteen. So that's like last year so he's to have is around his house. So yeah we're not dating so you only you the only one on two days of this guy. Yeah I couldn't I couldn't keep getting we're GONNA guess for doing nothing. Felt like Grimy to me. I don't know how did you put an end to it. Did you like or just not right. That word together together. What was was it like? Can we know we talked about like workout. Classes and like what the weather was an L. A. Versus New York. Something like this and we did on both dates. So I'm like did you reach out to your friend. You're like what the hell. Why did you normally this interesting? She was like yeah. He likes treat girls really well with like gifts and stuff. I was like okay. Well why did she set me up with him. But I guess it's Kinda like a good thing but it's the right person and that's the thing it's like if I'm like dating for Awhile and you're giving me guess I'd be like Oh that's like you thought of me but I don't know you and you're giving me like it is my biggest my biggest issue with that kind of stuff. It's like if you don't know me you're doing these things and that means you're probably doing them for a Lotta exactly. I mean he had my size waiting in his house for a year. So I'm like Ah. This is not the first time that you will find out when this Uber Percha. Because I was like I must get like store credit for these. Do not call him though. Because I don't WanNa like no let him know that I'm returning them and yes she found out for me. So that's like your only dating experience in Allah kind of creep me out for a little bit taking a little hiatus jump on the APPS. I'm on some APPS. The APPS here at eating. What's your favorite personally general podcast favorites? It was a big fan of Bombo on bowl for a long time doing the work. It's nice when a girl reaches out to cast. Absolutely that is a lot of my friends are on hinge and they really like him before I started dating Kaylin. I was on riot for a couple of months. Ryan will not accept me why I don't know I've been on the waiting list for ever. Oh it's so weird because I would like send guest passes to my friends. Who are you know S? No that's what I'm saying like my friends really like they ever jobs. They have like nine hundred dollars on instagram. I don't know if that's the criteria for you don't know it that's weird. I know they won't let me. I will say of all. The APPS was the one that I met up the least amount of people with I. I mean I could see that. That's when you have to actually pay for isn't it. You pay like eight dollars a month. Okay so but for me it was more of like it was fun to see. WHO's on it? Yeah that's over celebrity right. Yeah match with like an Olympic gold medalist on. That's pretty cool. Never talked to her though anyways. So okay so you obviously came to Elliott the best time because New York in the winter is brutal yeah. I'm not missing that at all. Why did you move here? Just I was in New York for ten years and I was just Kinda done. I think I was like. Oh I was dancing for the knicks their and then when I went on Bachelor I had to quit. quit dancing for them so then I was like. There's nothing really keeping me in New York and I didn't WanNa move home and I'm like I'm stalling. Dance Industry and stuff so it's either New Yorker ally. Usually the clippers the Lakers. I don't know we'll see those are those are like in the summertime Though so I guess you got here a little too late for them this year. Yeah but I was. That was never like my main goal is Kinda fell into that because a friend from college was in it it was great it was like an awesome job. Awesome people but We'll see I'm like dishing a little bit. It's like always like tough though. Like auditioning reasoning for dance stuff. Yeah Yeah guys. Dan Dancing no ever ever. I mean unique. Amen which are great. I mean you no. So that's the big issue. I went to college and it was like mostly women and like gay men and then I graduated and I teach in a fitness company. That's all women and then I went to dance on the next. which is all women? So it's like yeah I've been around a Lotta ladies so it's hard to meet men that way so my roommate when my best friend is dating Lakers girl. Yeah but he met her her through her friend. Met My other best friend on hinge or Bumbler one of the two and then my friend and this girl met through that. Yeah so I guess my my point is by dancing. Even that's directly meaning guys dancing. You can select indirectly meet waiting for that but obviously you know if you're not prioritizing sizing relationship it's like what's the rush anyways because what twenty six I'm twenty eight no all your time clock stakes I'm just kidding. You're twenty years old into the new. twenty-one Tori Tori over here is shared a lot of her dating stories with us in honestly as a girl dating in Los Angeles us. That's why when Jill talked to she goes. Yeah L. as the seventh best. America's Yes it was New York too. I don't remember if it was not even on the list. I think we're China. I will say as a former as a former L. F. boy dating in La for a girl must be one of the worst things absolutely in the world. It's not great. Okay okay so we have an email from courtney titled Splitting dates and she says we live in Fresno California. He prefers we split dates. Fifty fifty like he pays for one day and then I paid for the next is that how millennials date right. Now I hear that seems to be the new norm. What are your thoughts? I like that but then you then where you're going on each date so like one guy gets it the expensive day and the other person goes. It was until I get coffee like I. Don't you have to like make it even somehow like. What if they split the check every time Dutch every single time? If you're going to slip things here's my I questioned with it too is like when I when Kayla and I go on a date I eat all my food and then basically half a perfect. So did that for three quarters of the meal. That's a good point uh-huh and I guess but this is all post for state right. Let's say you went on a date and the guy asks you to split the bill within the first time we talked about this and we don't like that we don't. We don't like that at least for the first eight because I want to like if you ask me out and you're the guy out I haven't done that yet so I'll let you go out on weekend's a little bit depends you guys out like in clubs or bars or wherever you go. No I've always had an issue or a problem with that. I've always been told him. Look intimidating so people are not approachable. No so I want to talk to the beach subconsciously doing it. Yeah so not I mean I haven't since moving here it's pretty rare or you get quartered by the guy that doesn't you don't WanNa talk to you and then you're unscrewed. Yeah then all guys like oh she's talking to someone you know I don't know I can imagine how difficult that must be so hard. Okay so your recommendation. For Courtney right knee is I guess split halfway each time. If you're trying to slip things as otherwise I if I was doing that than I would be like well on my day. We're going to get You took a walk to the subway. I took you to know it's not the same. That's what we do. That's what I do. Is We basically split everything but I guess it also means like who how you are economically like maybe maybe one person makes a lot more money than so then then she could probably pay for the is it depends on what the couple is. I guess how is that. What's yes you are? I think once you get past like once you guys are exclusive. That's that's what we're GONNA say once your exclusive. That's when you can start splitting fifty-fifty yeah I agree and I was wondering what this actually kind of appropriate to because Morgan is an a dating back at dating APP. Rut Morgan says. I've been extremely single the past two plus years and I'm even having a hard time finding just one day. I use three different dating apps but feel like I'm running out of guys on there. No one piques my interest anymore. If I do match it barely gets past five messages Until it heals how do you get out of the dating opera. And why is it so hard to meet people in person to meet people in person nowadays so for you. It's dating APPS. How often do you go on the dating? How how much swiping magazine sometimes board on the couch? Like let's see what's going on absolutely you know just like the main appeal of that was fun and then put it away but yeah I've I've been in this before though too because sometimes like you'll you'll match with someone and then you like I've even imagine someone here and we agreed. We set a date to meet up and all the the things and the date came around and radio silence so you really got iheartradio no like in. La Yeah hitting all on all. I know yeah. So it's it's tough because unless you're not on the same on the same page with things which you can't because you don't know these people I would say if you're done with the APPS over them try to go do things that you like or like that make you happy and then maybe you'll meet someone. There may be willing to volunteer for something. And you'll meet someone that has like common interests like this will be in the public so people can like proceed like procedure. I got to say something. I have a great idea person. Just give the APP to your friend of your friend. Set you up on days forward. Yeah they don't care it's not invested. You're trusting your friends and that way you're kind of out of your Rut and somebody's just like pushing you. Yeah I got you a date. Tuesday go set like dating goals for yourself for the week like I must go on two dates this week. I don't know yeah and to your point earlier to Doing things that are interesting to you to meet people there to kind of loop it all back together is if you're meeting is at bars and then you're like wireless guys F- boys it's probably because you're yeah you don't WanNa meet a guy at the club no so to your point. If you saying that you can't go on hikes go on hikes meet a guy on a hike. Maybe yeah maybe get ah hiking. Crew like an hour like Nike stores where they do run clubs or something like that like a crew. That have you noticed in just found this out like a week ago. I've lived in La for four years. And I just learn about this midnight. Running midnight runners anyone's ever heard of this every Wednesday all throughout L. A.. People are just running through the streets at groups of people want to hold. Someone's the whole time separate point of the group has powers number numbers. You know Oh do you use instagram as a dating APP ever no cause for the listeners out there Sydney Sydney Ludovico follow her on instagram. It's not high you can demi I look at my damn. That's walk. Lo Toco what is. What's the origin of that the Philippine? Oh we go talk to. I'm so sorry I'm GonNa get it right one of these city. Lo Toco Toco so you look at your. DM's let me ask you this as well. Because Vanessa who obviously was engaged Nick for awhile but then was very single for a long time and now she's with lovely boyfriend she would say things like that. Two guys is simply weren't deeming her. No I don't really get a lot of dance from guys. Is that mostly from the show from like Asian women like being happy that supported Asian women presentation name make general dams which I love. Do you ever D- young guys Know what is your type I like people that are smart. Funny and witty and someone that's like driven and someone that's like easy on the ice tall. If we can manage it you know Yeah it's not too much to ask. I don't think that's not that's not much. Aw Yeah it's hard to tell that from photo but if I look at your instagram and it's like thirst shop photos I'm not really. I usually sign out. I don't like that agree coffee with my friends who moved to Philadelphia not too long ago ago and she's she's been on the dating. She goes on a couple of days a week and she said that she went on a date like two days ago with this guy and he showed me. She showed me his profile and he's like super handsome like super outdoorsy pretty successful like everything that she wanted and she met up with him in person and he was like literally five feet four. And just oh that's happened to me too and then you get there and you're like well. Well I'm disappointed and I don't want to sit here and it was like. She texted me on the day and she goes dean. You won't believe what just happened like it's happening right now. You want you got to be tall. I mean they would like that or at least be able to like where I wanted to but I mean his height. You know. That's the big thing for girls that you wanna be able to wear heels next year. Okay well so if you're listening to this podcast and you know someone that's New York Wacko. I'll see the U. ACO. It's so confusing. I don't know why it's it's an assortment of letters is challenging for me. I'm not smart enough. What are you up to next Yeah I'm trying to get settled here. I've started auditioning and stuff for dance things. There's always like difficult to put yourself back into do because it's usually a lot of reject rejection so But it's going well like I have. It's Nice 'cause I have like a little basecamp here like a lot of friends the show people from like New Yorker like growing up that I known before that live here so I have a good group of friends which is nice and now I'm just trying to figure out next steps. There's a lot of guys from the show that live in Los Angeles that are yeah. Why don't you dare one of them? A lot of the guys I know here the ones from paradise like been hanging out Matt Donald but not not romantically because ended. I don't he didn't give me roads because I wasn't a supermodel idea. Remember that yes that was like the most surprising thing the season I feel like shocking. That was silly funny so but you guys are just purely platonic just like make fun of him. Wills I love wells or like I. I was like Wilson's therapists. These guys now. Probably I mean but the anyone's I'm on the beach I'm not GonNa date because we could've dated on the beach we already are set up the front. I mean maybe maybe I don't know I don't know if the foundation of friendship and then you can. Do you think I'd be good with from McDonalds. I think he deserves a second chance if I could steamroll him. Maybe that's what he wants. So can you make me a promise Latte. 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From College HOOPS To The WNBA: Lauren Manis

The BosBabes

49:08 min | 3 months ago

From College HOOPS To The WNBA: Lauren Manis

"Hello everybody. And thank you so much for tuning into the boss baby's here tonight. We have a very special guest coming on it a little bit but bring me I know that we've had a lot going on in news this week walk million. Yes so much has been happening in and around the world. I'm so excited that you are back here joining us today. And before we jump on into it, I just want to let you guys know that Emma and I thought we started this show back last summer of 2019 and now currently our show is both on Spotify and iTunes. So you guys should go in subscribe to us. We would absolutely love that. You can listen to us off work on your car ride, wherever you could live stream watch us. And also listen to us on Spotify Please Subscribe. We want to first off the show by talking all about the breaking news, of course with Rob Gronkowski. So who would have thought that he would be coming out of retirement Emma. Let's hear from your mouth because I know that we have sweet lovely Gronkowski Brothers. We've had them in stock. Before what were your thoughts when you found out about Rob coming out of retirement, you know, what's crazy. Is that for a while? Everyone was saying? Oh, no, he's not coming out and it seemed like that for a little bit off but everyone has speculated about it and eventually when it came out that he came out everyone was like well, I mean, you know, he's going to have to come back to the Patriots, right? That's where his home is that's where he's always loved to be but I'm not that surprised that he chose to go with Tom obviously if there's anyone that can bring him out. It's going to be one of his best friends. I mean think about it if anyone is retiring their fields and their best friend asked him to come back home. You probably do it for the right circumstance, right the right amount of money right circumstance. Why would he not want to go and play and enjoy Florida? So I thought it was really at first it was very shocking but by the same card it made a lot of sense so it wasn't like it could be. I know I'm sending very contradictory. It was surprised that he came out of retirement, but I was surprised if he did he'd go with home put it that way home. I think it's super interesting that you say that and I remember catching you being like Oh my God. Am I can't believe Rob just come out of retirement. What do you think about this? I can't wait to talk about it on Boss babes on Monday and it's funny because my dad happened to walk in my bed. She goes Brit I go what he goes. Rob just came out of retirement. And that that point I'm thinking there's no way this guy come out of retirement. He's super injured his brother Gordy has been telling me that he would never come back playing football because he sucks so much at stake right now with different businesses and Stadium lifts and all that. So I literally didn't think he was gonna come back at all and even Camille used to joke around and say that she didn't use him to come back which is Camille kostek girlfriend. So when my dad said Britt he just came out of retirement. I really like didn't leave him. I thought he was April Fool's joking me but congrats to him coming out of retirement. I'm super excited to see both him and Tom Brady do down in Tampa Bay. I'm hoping that football season does actually kick off these I cannot wait to go watch them down in Tampa waiting for the schedule to come out so I can buy tickets and aside from birth. I wanted to talk a little bit about the NFL draft will keep it really brief, but I thought it was super cute. You're a dog lover Emma. I'm assuming you probably didn't watch any of the NFL draft. It is kind of boring but it was kind of interesting year. They did it virtually. So what they did was they had cameras set up and everybody's house and Rodger Goodell actually did it from his home which was super interesting and this little mini man cave what I found interesting was that when they would show the shot of Bill Belichick. They had this dog. His name happened to be Nike. Thank you. Yeah little dog Meggie was sitting in the seat doing the drafting for us and I thought that was kind of interesting and what I'm excited about is that he drafted a couple of tight ends. Obviously, we've been lacking in that department for the last season or two. So I'm super excited to see what we can do with the new rebuilding of the team. What did you think about wage like you drafting last weekend? That was so cute and I feel like that's the kind of livelihood and entertainment that it needed and even my husband was talking about it because I just kind of looked briefly, of course. Can you find that he goes, you know, all these people are showing these, you know Mega rich people on their yachts and then they're big glamorous homes. And then there's just making sitting in the dining room just like doing it and he was like, oh so New England, this is so like this is so Belichick and it's funny because he actually was from what I understand. He was at his house Nantucket which I think is a is a great place to quarantine and you know, a lot of people have talked about, you know, travelling and quarantining and I think it's interesting that different people have chosen different places the most important thing I think about that is making sure that if you are going to go to those places making sure that both those areas have the resources to support you or that you have a way to bring them in so telling my husband I was like well behaved like, you know, what do you think you do? Think about it? You have all that money and you're on an island. Would you be reading the grocery stores to be you know going and grabbing those products with the shells, which you be, you know out there kind of take away resources in the community and you know smell of course, it's fellow Trek. He's going to have those things brought in he's going to have them sent to him. Of course. He's a responsible guy and he's dead. Things the right way, so I loved hearing that even more that you know, if you're going to take a place to go quarantine in to do the draft. You're going to pick a place where yes, you can be isolated. Yes, it's your favorite place to be yes and safe. And yes, you're being considered a Unity made me love him even more as high where I think new englanders are very sensitive because you know, it's it's it's a challenge losing both Brady and Gronk to of Tampa. I think it's a long time. So it's good to see that we still have leadership that's very considerate of their community and gives a light-hearted brings the dog in I love that. He definitely did keep it very low light-hearted and I enjoyed watching that he up there with the reason why we're talking about Nike the draft the NFL draft coming out of retirement. We're gonna be talking a lot about baseball and basketball tonight. The main reason why we could be talking about basketball is our special guest is actually Drafted recently just got drafted in the WNBA. We're going to be talking about that very shortly. But first I want to pop up this photo of Jayson Tatum. The reason why we're showing this photo of Jayson Tatum is I wanted to discourage the Celtics a little bit because not only did Marcus Smart recently last week donate over 400 miles to hospitals and the Boston area due to covid-19 while he's being quarantined down in Texas because I believe he's from Texas, but right now they're all trying to figure out when is the WNBA starting? When is the NBA coming back? They were trying to say that team were supposed to start practicing me first, but now the pushing it back until May 8th as we all know all the sports are kind of at a whole just like most of the world is and I kind of wanted a gauge your perspective Emma. How cool is that that Marcus Smart happened to give away over four hundred meals. I know you're really into the charity and the giving back the fact that he gave away meals to these hospitals in Boston is super cool. I love it. He did that and that's something that you're going to see a lot of from different athletes and different people in the community. Just plain stepping up. I mean, I had a phone call with somebody this morning that noticed an even her community and I'll be able to talk a little bit more about that later on the show. But you know, you're going to see that everywhere people stepping up you will see me is I think people are at this position where they have more time to sit around and think and they have more resources to get when you're not going out all the time. It's it's amazing the amount of money you can say, let me tell you I'm so I think it's great that that he's being able to step up and give back just out of the generosity of his own heart. I think that speaks 50000 the Box in spirit and just you know, who we are as a team and who he is as an individual. I think it speaks to his character to do something so generous like that. So I love it and I think that we need more of that in this world. I completely agree with you and speaking of staying healthy and eating properly we have this really cool new ad that I wanted to show you guys. It's from the company awaken 180 and they're all about weight loss. All fit and stay healthy and I feel like you guys will totally enjoy this product. 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I hope you enjoy that. Hope you can stay fit and healthy while being quarantined in the other reason why I wanted to show that cool ad is Cedric Maxwell actually videoed that whole commercial for you guys. And he actually used to be involved with the Boston Celtics, which is pretty awesome and last but not least before we jump into our special guest. I want to show this really great photo of Michael Jordan. Obviously Jump Man is a legend. Everybody knows who this guy is, even if you're not a basketball fan, you know, who Michael Jordan is and I don't know if you're you and your husband have been watching The Last Dance documentary, but I watched a couple episodes of absolutely loved it over the weekend actually last night was on Sundays. They are it they were talking about Dennis Rodman and the and the Pistons and basically it just outlines everything about the early 1990s Chicago Bulls at how much of a dynasty they were almost comparable to the New England Patriots how they just dominated that era and their team is forever going to live off. And go down in history, like no one will ever forget that team. Especially if you are a basketball fan. Have you watched any of the Last Dance documentary? You know, I have seen parts of it just here and the the little Clips on social media. I haven't watched the full thing yet, but it sounds like it's going to be really interesting and I I think it's great that it's out there. Yeah, it's super cool. I mean I wanted to show them because we've been talking all about basketball and the main reason why we were talking about is we had a job right headfirst into Lauren man, and she's our special guest tonight. I'm super excited and honored to have met her she was taken in the third round the W NBA draft selected 33rd and which I think is super cute about the whole situation her and I run the phone and she was telling me that she was so nervous to watch the draft. She was flipping back and forth from watching the draft and watching the Food Network with her family that she didn't know who she was going to get picked or not. So boring. Welcome welcome. How are you? Hi, thank you so much for having me. I'm good. How are you? So gay we're so excited to have you in kind of walk you through the steps of you being so nervous to find out if you were drafted and not be wage flipping back and forth sitting down with your mom and dad trying to decide should I bother watching my drafts or should I just continue watching the Food Network? Yeah, so I honestly like still don't even know how the draft works and I wasn't sure if you know someone was going to reach out to me in the days leading up to it. I I didn't hear anything. So I really wasn't thinking about it and I didn't want to get my hopes up but I spoke to my agent the day before and he said there's a slight chance. I'm working on it off. Then I had in the back of my head and I was like, oh gosh, there is a chance. I didn't even know that so when we went in Friday night to watch it, my dad was so excited. He wanted to watch it. He loves basketball loves watching it. Lets go into my games. He's the one always rebounding for me out in the cul-de-sac but so he put it on and I was just nervous to watch it and I didn't want to watch the whole thing and get disappointed and watch all these girls live out my dreams so Towards the second round. I said dad just put on the Food Network because I can't watch this and then I got a call from my coach and she was screaming and there were people in the background screaming and she said well, I remember watching this like no she said your name was on my TV. Oh my gosh, so that I'm shaking my dad got the clicker turned on ESPN and I saw my name and just fell to the floor off and it really was a dream come true. I was bawling my eyes out. My parents are crying. It was a really special moment and then to be home with them for it. I think was even more surprised. I wasn't supposed to be home and it's kind of sucks that I wasn't at school. But so nice that I was at them for it. How do you guys been celebrating this? I was reading off Media online about sort of how you've been getting celebrated and it says that people been driving by my cop cars and like honking their horns and decorating cars and stuff like that. What does that whole experience been like four years? So far finding out that your newly drafted you're probably going to be going out to Vegas sooner than later. And how excited are you? I'm beyond excited. I can't wait to get out there and just learn from the players and then Coach the MBR, which is funny. He's actually on the documentary you were talking about. It's funny to see how long way but my sister and my cousin actually through a parade the Sunday after the draft and it was so nice to see everyone there were so many cars so many family members and friends from high school girls, I grew up playing with and it was weird because I wanted to just run out there and hug everyone and I couldn't and that was also the first time in quarantine Zone not seen that many people at the same time. So it was definitely weird, but just to see everyone supporting me and being truly happy for me is just so special and their support means the world. I think that's absolutely incredible. And I also wanted to ask you sort of what you're feeling was like when your father basically said and you sort of basically started crying, correct? Yeah. It was I don't even know if I can explain it. Well, I just immediately started bawling my eyes out and then to look at him and see him crying like he does not cry. So only you're only the second person in our area that has been selected for the WNBA, which is amazing. And you're the first player from Holy Cross to ever be drafted. So that's also another big feet. Yeah, it means so much especially coming from Patriot League school. I mean, we're not really considered a athletic Powerhouse. We're not a power V but I think across is preparing me really well. So I'm excited to see what the some of that preparation from Holy Cross. Can you talk about your years and the experience that you built from being there? Yeah. Well all across is a great place both athletically and academically it was not an easy school, but I think it really prepared me for you know Life After College and after basketball and you know, athletically to we play some really great teams. We played Illinois this year. We're actually lost them in overtime by 3, and then we played and beat them this year. So we do play really good competition and I think playing at Holy Cross really helped me develop as a player because I started nearly birth. Game, you know, I got the experience that I needed and then I also drew a lot of attention over the years. So every single year I had to add something new to my game just around the defense and then they would double and triple-team me. So I needed to learn new moves and acquire the guard skills as well as the post skills. So I think Lloyd guys are being a cross really helped me. And what was your team environment? Like when you were at Holy Cross? What was your relationship with these women that you spent so very much time with their That's the biggest reason. I stayed at Holy Cross I said this. In a story I actually wrote It's on go lacrosse.com. But my first two years I was debating transferring, you know, just to take a step up go higher do you one but wage thing that kept me there was my friends and the relationships I built with people. I mean, I don't think I had a bad relationship with one of the girls on the team. We rarely ever fought we spent literally 24/7 together and I consider them my sisters. So just a really great group of girls and I miss them so much right now. It's been really tough without them. Especially my fellow seniors. The senior activities are missing, but everyone's saying they're going to make a trip out to Vegas so I can't wait to see them soon. And I hear you have a lethal 3-point shot and some of your accomplishments you just recently surpassed two thousand points and you have over 1,000 rebounds and what I think is super interesting is even out of the men's division wage. You're one of the only people that has an accomplishment like that. So how does that make you feel to be such a standout athlete at Holy Cross? I think looking back. I'm very proud of my accomplishments. I know you know, they wouldn't be possible without my teammates and then without the support from my friends and family and my parents said I think I'm not really the type of person that in the moment. I don't think about the awards and the accolades but especially now being able to take the time and look back off. I do think it's something to be proud of and I know a lot of hard work went into it. So it's definitely nice to have those accolades. It would covid-19 going on right now being quarantined. How was your training being impacted? I know you and I were speaking on the phone a few days ago and you were sort of telling you that it took to get to a gym it's hard for you to train you sort of don't know when you're going to be leaving for Vegas. And then also I just recently found out that your family Works in healthcare. So I want to touch upon the fact that I became mom your sister and health care and also what is it like training being stuck inside for the most part? Yeah, I mean, it's been a very weird time. I think the first few weeks. I was home. I didn't have access to any weights or equipment. I just got some last week. Thank God. It's been so helpful, but I didn't have Jim access for the first few weeks. So you never know what you're going to get in Massachusetts could be snowing one day and 65 the next so and so windy which is not good for your shot. So that was definitely weird. I had to get creative a lot of band work a lot of runs in the rain, very pleasant. But this last week I actually got Jim access. My trainer in Boston is going to help me out and open the gym up for me. So I'm getting off work outs in there and then my uncle who was a Star Trek athlete has this awesome at home gym set. So he actually let me borrow that so now I have wage. Bench and barbell and lots of Weights. So I've been lifting in my garage my mom gave up her spot in the garage for me. So that's been really helpful. But yeah both my mom and my sister and the healthcare industry. So my sister's a nurse at Mass Jen and my mom's a physical therapist. So people still need her and you know, they're both exposed to share could be exposed. So I think they're a little worried especially bringing it possibly bringing it back to me or my dad but you know, they took all the necessary precautions and they're rock stars both of them. I look up to them so much. Can I go M has been writing a lot of Charity blobs very much helpful to the Boston area and you described to Warrant sort of what you've been writing about as far as like using the different masks and helping protect people. Yeah, I'm sure her family knows a million times more about it than I do it every single day and they're you know, they're going through so thank you to them. I mean times a million thousand four lines. I can't imagine what your sister sees every day and goes through the only you know thing that I've worked with really charity wise there are of course a couple of other injuries coming up this week, but one person I did speak to does happy house for Heroes. So if anyone out there is looking to get a headband for a hero just like your sister that's something that you can do it. Basically what it does. It has little buttons on the back so we can hold the mask back that way their ears don't get irritated and brought the end of the day, but that's something that I've been, you know, just working on is and if anybody else out there off of a way that we could help these responders that are on the front lines dealing with this and ways that like I said, we can never ever imagined. Please. Feel free to let us know we would love to be able to help in any way we can to Barataria. There that can donate back to them any kind of equipment that they could need anything that we could do. Please bring that forward. Exactly and that's why I wanted to bring that up because I'm just doing an excellent job while being fifteen talking to different people about raising money and giving back to the community in order to talk all about that the second half the show but I just wanted her to mention the most recent story that she did because it sort of goes along with your family and I want to tap into the fact that you're not a Boston fan, even though you grew up in the Boston area. You are a New York Sports Fan girl. So show me this personality a little bit your dad. I love New York Sports. So how was it growing up in the Boston area, but literally being a full-blown New York sports athlete Oh my gosh, it has not been easy. I remember being a kid and we would go down the street to get bagels on Sunday mornings. My dad would be wearing like a Jets hat or a Yankee hat and people would Heckle him and like Daddy like why don't they why don't they support you and he's like, oh honey, you'll see if we get it because I can't go anywhere without someone making a comment about my clothes. I mean, I don't have any New England clothing. It's all New York sports gear. So it's been tough, but I've really stuck with it off. My dad was pretty much in charge of raising us into the Sports World. My mom took the backseat on that one and You know, he was successful in brainwashing us but people say but I loved every minute of it. I think I kind of like being the odd one out of all my friends going up Yankees Red Sox games and just being decked out in the Yankees gear you get a lot of hate for it, but I kind of like it. So wait a second. You said your mom took a backseat. Does she have any sports affiliations or is she maybe not so into what your dad to do? I mean she is more neutral. She doesn't she's not like a hardcore sports fan. But she is a New England Sports Fan. So when we go to games, she's the one in the red sauce here and we're all Yankees, but she was born and raised in Norwood. So it makes sense. But yeah, she gave my dad power on this one month. I think that's super cute. So you guys go out as a family. She's the only one singled out and the Red Sox gear and you guys are all just sitting there rocking the Yankees stuff like that is so cute dog. Yeah, it's so funny last year. We went to a Yankees Red Sox game at Yankee Stadium and we were right behind the Red Sox Dugout. So every time they captured batter on Deck we were right there and you could see us and it was just Yankees Yankees Yankees Red Sox and we were in New York, too. So she was the only one in that section but She puts up with us. So and before we cut to a quick commercial break shortly. I want to know about your experience growing up in Franklin, Massachusetts home to high school locally in the area. I think you went to high school and Attleboro, which isn't that far from where Emma and I actually used to work or currently do work in wmct and Marlboro. What's your experience like working or going to school actually in that area and just rolling up in Franklin, Mass. I loved growing up in Franklin. I think I'm definitely going to come back whenever I go after this. I'll definitely come back. I just love the town and honestly the Palm Court system. Like I saw in the parade so many of my friends from like fourth grade MetroWest basketball came and then I did go to a private school. I went to Bishop B and so leaving my friends in middle school was kind of hard. But I love that. I kind of have two places now where I have friends and builds relationships and then I'm also big families a girl. So I think that's why I stayed so local for college being able to see my friends and family is super important to me and the fact that my parents were able to come to pretty much every single game of my life. Just not the world. So definitely a local girl don't really see myself leaving and I just love the area Local girl going out to City. We're going to cut through a quick commercial break when we come back. We're going to talk to Walmart a little bit about off for gender studies in college and sort of the difference in salaries between male and female athletes, and then Emma is going to Dish all of her secrets and details on all the awesome Charities and blogs. He's been working on and of course, we're going to hear from Lauren about how she's given back since she's been in college. I'll see you guys soon. At that Martha we believe in three things great beer getting bad and doing good. 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So excited to have her here before we jump in and start talking about charity. I want to hear from Laura and I know she studied gender studies a little bit in college. So I want to hear song sort of your thoughts on what it's like being a female athlete and a little bit about the differences in salaries between males and females and I know recently you would I run the phone and you discuss that the WWE it just recently raised the salaries for females. Yeah, so with my history major we had to pick a concentration and I picked gender studies. So with every single class I was in there was some component some aspect of gender studies and for my kind of like final Capstone pizzas. I actually did women in the military and studied that but that's part of my presentation. I brought in of course female athletes and you know view from media salary like that. So it's interesting to see how long you know how people view us and our emotion and you know, when we show emotion we're out of control and when guys show emotion, they're passionate so that's definitely something I've focused on a lot and to see the differences between salaries is remarkable. I think the highest paid NBA player gets around forty million the highest paid double dog. a player Maybe two hundred thousand and then 500 Max after you know, all the endorsements and benefits and stuff. So, I mean not bad but still forty million that's a very big difference and we don't really bring in that much money don't have as many fans and stuff like that. But I think still to see the numbers side by side is shocking and may I know when I first saw and I recently found out how different the Gap is this year? I was completely shocked he would think so definitely interested to hear your take on a million. Yeah. Sorry, sometimes I feel like you guys are cutting out. You're not cutting out and going off of what we were just speaking about with the WNBA and the salaries and you go to college for gender studies. How do you think learning about everything while in college going to transition to your time out in Vegas playing as a professional female in a sport? Yeah. I mean I think with everything else being educated as so helpful and I think because I studied gender studies and history and I've kind of seen the themes that have gone on in Catholics throughout the years. I think it's definitely going to give me more of a voice or kind of push me to have a voice and you know in Union meetings and stuff like that just to fight for our rights and you know, bring the facts and so I think that's going to be really helpful and beneficial for me and everyone. Super exciting and speak with being beneficial. I want to switch on over to talking about charity and emelin has absolutely been dominating during quarantine talking all about charity and bringing awareness certain things. I want her to take some time to talk about what she's been working on and also the fact that her and I will be doing the social distance bash this weekend. Thank you. You know, I'm really glad that you said that because I keep seeing all of that story is, in front of me and I almost feel as if some days I'm not keeping up with all the goodness that is happening in the world and I want to so badly just keep showing everybody like all of this great news that I keep finding and I'm trying to get it out as quickly as possible. So I'm glad that you recommend that because sometimes I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm sitting there all these stories. Like, how can I quickly get them out? It's crazy to see so what stories that I am actually working on for tomorrow, which you guys will see if you watch my blog tomorrow at 3 p.m. Is a local. She's an artist on the cape and she works with in the apparel industry wage. She works a lot with local artists from all across the board. So she wound up going to a local flower show here in Boston and she noticed that you know with everything closing down. Wow. This is you know, people's livelihood. There are a lot of artists that aren't able to make money any other way that through their passion they built their business through their passion. How is it that they're going to survive through this is she came up with a unique way to be able to get back in her story literally just like brought in tears. It was incredible this morning. I think I cried like three times in the home with her. She's just such a genuine person. But now with that there are so many other things that are happening in being canceled. So just like that flower show was cancelled. There are a bunch of weddings that are being both canceled and postponed. So I've also spoken with a wedding player thought she actually was was our wedding planner and I just happened to notice supposed were she was speaking to Brides free of charge if their weddings were canceled or postponed and and that's the thing is these two things are very easy. A friend and they seem very random whether put next to each other. But when you look at the world as a whole there are just so many of us going through so many different things that you can never fathom until you actually are actually pull in front of you and I think all of these things that I've been hearing lately just from you know, different friend groups and different people in different stages in life has brought me to this point where I realized that there are a lot of us going through very unique situations, but regardless of where we are what we're going through the entire Community is coming to get back in different ways. Anyway, they can and that I think is is the most powerful thing. So, please just you know, keep paying attention to all these great stories. I know we have the social distancing - we're just going to be coming up that is a very interesting one because we're going to be working with sticking to our theme here being mostly sports-oriented. We work with Buster and Foundation David Ortiz Foundation is going to be involved in this as well. So there are a lot of different organizations coming together to raise money for the social. Like Dash which I think will be fine. If you're someone that likes to run or maybe you're like, you know what not running just going to go for a walk. You can do that too. And you can just you know, do whatever feels best for you to get involved. So there's a lot going on and a lot of different ways to give I can't wait to do the social distance bash because that's really the only thing we can do with all the bars and restaurants closed. I've been going up Pikes almost every weekend with my dog. So I'm very excited to take part in this this weekend and Emma. I know you are as well. And I also wanted to pop up this photo of Tiffany's Giselle. She actually has her own bracelet line. I'm showing this is Tiffany actually reached out to both Emma and I she sent us a really sweet d m on our company the boss babes Instagram and said, hey guys, I love what you're doing and love how you give back. I would love to send you guys some bracelets and do some cool posts on the fact that I'm actually donating proceeds to covid-19 and my response to her was you know, what honestly, please keep your birth. I don't want you to use materials on giving them to me. I would rather have you say those materials and give them to somebody that can benefit from them. However, I would love to share what you are doing and posting our social media. So if you guys have any great stories or want Emma and I to post please feel free to send us a DM send him an email. Send me an email. We love supporting all of you guys. We love that you are supporting us. So please suck like Tiffany Tricia from s design. I know Emma is going to be working with her as well. She's also doing something similar where she also owns a jewelry company. He's giving money to covid-19 people that are not able to raise money or work. So if you guys need help, please reach out to us, and I also want to show this photo of David posa. He's a local designer. He's good friends actually with em and I were actually supposed to cover his event back in April at Fenway Johnny's but it got canceled due to covid-19 and I wanted to show this because from day one ever since covid-19 started happening. He took all of his materials and instead of making clothing and doing fashion. He immediately jumped into making masks with people out so that that was super special and I wanted to show that it while we are on the topic of Charity because you guys know we take you behind-the-scenes with your favorite sports entertainers wheel of focusing on charity so long. I know you and I discussed on the phone that you've done a ton since you've been in college, so I want to touch upon that before the time wrapped up you tutored students at Holy Cross you volunteered at soup kitchens used to be a little kids which is so great. And one of my favorite things that you told me you worked for a or you volunteered you didn't work you volunteered for something called working for Worcester. And while you were there often tearing you helped paint schools build basketball courts build playgrounds. So can you kind of walk us through everything that you did as far as mentoring helping people while you're in college? Yeah, Holy Cross was honestly really great at providing everyone opportunities to give back to the community. We had to do see beelzeboss was basically just community-based learning. So I'm an ed Miner. So I would have to go in tutor students at the local public schools, which I absolutely loved and then we also had kids days for our basketball games and every single Public School in the Worcester area would come it was so loud and so packed but I think freshman year. That was the first moment. I realized just how much these kids looked up to us. And you know how much power we had to be positive influences for them. So I think that made me want to give back more often and I would just keep going back in tutoring kids go in read to them. They absolutely loved it. Being an athlete you don't really think anything of it when you go into the school, but they literally think you walk on water and they think you are so cool. So just being in that situation and having the opportunity to have positive impact on these kids as something that I enjoyed so much and then as a team, we would go to the soup kitchen the local soup kitchen at 6 in the morning and serve breakfast and everyone loved it and then working Foster, which was my favorite we would have a day in the spring was called Bill day and age everyone would Gather in the center of Worcester. Anyone in the Worcester area could volunteer but a lot of athletic teams did and every single teenage all across. I'm pretty sure volunteered and you would get sent out to different sites and whether it was cleaning up a park painting a school built a basketball game. One day just cleaning out the ponds and it was so great to see everyone in the Worcester Community come together, and it was so great to be a part of it and to see before and after pictures and then Thursday we would get sent pictures of people enjoying, you know, the park or the new playground at their school or even kids walking through clean freshly painted hallways change after was just so rewarding and something. I'm so happy. I was a part of and I missed it this year. But I'm sure once you go to Vegas, you're going to find all new ways to give back in that whole Community as well. Right? Yeah, I hope so. I'm sure they provide so many opportunities just like Blue Cross and and off and I love being in that situation to give back and having kids and everyone else look up to you. So I'm really excited to get out there and see what opportunities there are to get back home. I love that. We wish you all the best of luck. Once you get out there. I know it's a crazy time and it seems like it's so far away, but it's going to be really amazing that much more special once you do get there. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can't wait before we wrap up here. Do you have any special plans when you get out to Vegas, have you ever been there before? And obviously, you're not going to have that much down time. You're out there to focus to be that athlete but you have any shows planned out that you want to go see or any special bars or restaurants that you want to check out. I've never been to Vegas personally, but obviously need a wild and your down time. Where do you want to hit first? I definitely want to see what there is out there for food. Obviously. I'm a foodie was watching the Food Network when I got drafted and so it's my dad and that's something we kind of do together often. We watch these shows on the Food Network and then we try to visit the places that we see and so I'm sure he probably already has a list of restaurants for us to go to bed. And I know when training camp does happen. My parents are definitely going to come with me and just spend a week or two with me. So I definitely want to probably do a little restaurant hopping and just see what there is out there. That's super exciting. Do you think your family's going to take the era but yet he's geralt of it. You're so what? Oh, definitely I'm going to have to start watching something. You're sure it's right. I know I told my dad. He better not have any New York Liberty shirts all Isis from here on out wage. I think that's exciting and you have any plans in the future to start start some of your own Charities or Mentor other younger athletes, like I know that a lot of professional athletes when she came home on there off-season. They will Coach kids or Mentor them. Do you have any plans in the future to do something like that? Yeah, I actually every summer I work camps I go to camps and I talked to the kids. So I think I've always kind of wanted to have my own camp and I love coaching. So I think you should come back whenever my basketball days are over. I'm definitely going to want to coach and maybe open up my own hoop clinic or my own camp. And I think that's probably going to be the most exciting way to sneak back on. What's amazing. This is kind of a random question cuz I know we hit all the the main points of this but now we can show kind of what your personality a little bit and then I will ask some interesting questions of em to think of some too. But who is your celebrity crush like if you had the chance of going to deal with anybody? Who would you go on a date with This is so tough. I think if you asked me a few years ago would definitely be like Chad Michael Murray, but now I think I love country. I think Chase Rice would be my celebrity crush 6:30. Yeah. One question. What is in your suitcase as must-haves for Vegas like okay forget one thing whatever you can buy more of it. But what is your must-have can't log out going with you? My pillow I'm very neat weird about my pillow. I need a very specific I bring this thing with me everywhere. Every road trip always have it with me. I have actually have a little portable fan because I cannot sleep without a fan and I need that thing and then probably my self tanner which I could definitely get out there. But I always have that with me as well. Okay. So what we're saying is this girl takes her sweet very seriously. She eventually items pillow fan and she likes to beat and I like this girl. Yeah the Jergens with yeah. What was your most interesting Christmas gift as a kid? Like say you said your Mom? Hey Mom. I need this for Christmas what what she was interesting and weird Christmas gift that you wanted as a child. Like for me super weird most kids wanted candy in their stocking. I wanted a freaking fine basket. That's funny. Oh gosh. What was the one that really sticks out to me is I remember being a really little and wanting a fake flip phone and I didn't think I got it and then it was in the back of the tree and I saw it and it came in a pack of two and I remember just sitting there like flipping it over and over again thinking I was so cool. Well as like look now, look at how fast I can slip this over oil. I love that. I love that. We got to ask you some nice random quick cute questions. We're about to wrap up right now and the like suit and the night was a positive pop and please guys check us out on Spotify Please Subscribe. You can listen to all of our past episodes on Spotify Emma and the night was some positive pop. All right. So the first thing I'm going to tell you guys for my younique president. She can't keep this to myself. I just remembered it. Mine was a Jerry spice Spice Girl like the Barbie doll. Like I had to have that one year and I remember my parents looked everywhere for it and they finally gave it to me and like a job. A box so I thought I got like a bike or a doll house or something. And when I opened it up it was at like the bottom fell the peanuts and I lost my mind. I was like, I like angst it ran around the house. It was my boss important toy. But anyways onto your positive, huh positive pop for this week is going to be something that I've been hearing in a couple different places and it's just like get your mind, right? This virus is doing a lot a lot of people. I think it's MES different directions putting us in situations that we normally wouldn't be in and make the forcing us to look at them from a different perspective. But the number one thing to remember is that at some point it's going to suck when it does need to have our minds, right? We need to focus on ourselves and take my time to better ourselves. But also to you know, take care of those that are around us in any way that we can so I think getting her off right making sure that you clear all those negative thoughts on my gosh. It's never going to end. I'm never going to be able to do this again. I've never been able to do that again. I'm not going to make it through XYZ like clear that out of your head at some point, you know all the job. It's going to shuttle keep your mind right keep focused on what you can change and what you can focus on right now. Keep going in every way that you can and just keep your mind healthy, whether it means an extra work out an extra home, you know, a couple minutes of yoga for some people actually lost wind do whatever you have to do to keep your mind right during this crisis. It's a hard thing to do but self-care is so important and good news. We have the time for it. So take amazing with you guys so much for tuning in Lauren best of luck, and we will chat with you guys soon. Take care.

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Padma Lakshmi: American Food Is Immigrant Food

The Dave Chang Show

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Padma Lakshmi: American Food Is Immigrant Food

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Tango is always flooding issues, their music an introduction. If you don't know about this band, please check out their catalog I. Love them very much. This week we have pod, my locked me of top chef and her new Docu series on Hulu taste the nation a pretty amazing insight into how food is. Cooked by. Around the country I highly recommended and we're GONNA talk about. Making TV her ability to have a platform that's very different than top chefs and about the stories that aren't really being told in food and am grateful that she joined us in Chris Young has always helped me host this podcast today. Before we get into that podcast, I wanted to talk about a few things. One is we have a restaurant bill that is being sort of voted on by the Senate and the Congress it's a giant one, hundred, twenty, billion dollar initiative to help restaurants and a variety of ways that is not the PCP payment protection program is to assist actual restaurants and when I say restaurants yes, it's restaurants but I do think it's also code for helping restaurant workers but so about the restaurants more so about the restaurant workers I hope that is the case we have that because restaurants are in in dire need and hope their solidarity I know a lot of people don't agree with the bill per se. Even in the industry. A lot of people feel that we need to fix the problems that we've discussed so much on this podcast, and while I agree definitely on, I can see all the viewpoints at the end of the day. If anything get past and help out those in need I will be very, very grateful. There's no magic bullet and right now I think a coalition and of solidarity is most important and You know big shout out to everyone those that are on the independent restaurant coalition on roar and those that are not anyone that is voicing their opinions as an independent restaurant operator and doing their thing i. think that it's hard to find unity in this moment and I'm having a hard time articulating it because there's just so many perspective at play. But I think the best way for me to talk about this is. You know we are in Los Angeles right now and I have been very disheartened that the. Fact. That we're losing a lot of great restaurants and they're not just restaurants that people know about or on like. The Best of lists, the restaurants that have defined. Los Angeles and they don't have to be in Los Angeles in your town in your sort of neighborhood. These are the restaurants that helped shape your life growing up the go to's the the restaurants that you love so much that you may not visit all the time. I think these are cultural institutions wherever you are. And we are losing them at a rapid clip. And I A. Conflict too because I need to promote my own restaurants and continued to sort of. Make sure that we have business but simultaneously I I'm wondering. How do we support the restaurants that don't have the platform that I half and Momofuku has and I'm going to do my best moving forward on that. But if you all think about the restaurants that you know and I, I know in Los Angeles. Whether you realize it or not. My K town gets a lot of love but K. towns hurting in a very dramatic way right now we have. John. One of the like og cream barbecue joints that just. Closed. jun-won was featured in migrant kitchen and they make a very delicious indigo Jordan. The spicy braised black cod, the owner of Tofu house she passed the age of sixty one. And if you just sorta talk to people in the Korean community businesses down and a lot of people are scared and it's not just the Korean community could be any community and people are scared about their livelihoods. They're scared about their business, which is why I implore. You Call Your Congressional representatives, send them, email, call them, whatever you can do as much as I want this bill to be perfect. It's not I. Know that. So we're just trying to get the best that we can have because. Real businesses need help and I just spoke to union the chef owner of spoon by age. And I think she is really one of the best chefs out there. I spoken about her a lot over the past year plus and I'm so thankful that people love her restaurant. But people still need to visit these restaurants they need to support them they need a by takeaway order delivery. If we want these restaurants to survive this pandemic we need everybody to pitch in and. I think we need to ask ourselves what restaurants do we want to make sure they will be around. I for one would be incredibly this aren't we lost spin by H. She scrappy and resourceful in the event that it does happen. Let's God. Forbid I know that you would find something else to because I can't imagine not being able to taste your food I. do believe she is like a savant. I just don't know how she's able to conjure flavors in true original ways like I just tasted a pork like it'd be tongue that is like some variation of her famous Mondo Gook. And if you haven't had that and you don't know what I'm talking about, you should because it's probably one of the best dishes all of Los. Angeles. Therefore, all of America. And I'm just sort of blown away at how delicious it is. and. It is the bodyman spoon by h to me is the very embodiment that makes this industry. So great you can find someone that. Wasn't destined to be a chef. found. Her path in very random ways in a place that is a dessert shop serving some the best savory food and pastries you can find anywhere I mean her cakes, cookies, oliver sweets are top notch. But. To find someone that knows how to make food in ways that no one else can. That's something that is incredibly special. And they're many people like engine in spoon by agent. So please please support these restaurants. It's not just by H it's the TACO truck it's the place that serves proving chicken it's. The Filipino shop it's every restaurant that you think is GonNa be busy that you think is going to be around. But You don't know that so I implore you. I know times are tough for so many people. But if you can. Just spend some money at these restaurants, give them business and if they are closing. Send them out on a high note. Because you know I go back to one of the very first, too small to fail podcast Chris and I did with Corey Lee. We may lose our restaurants I might lose my restaurants. But we need to make sure that we keep. The foundation intact whether they're purveyors or the next generation of restaurants. We need to leave them something. In, order to leave them something, we still need the best of us. In the future. So. I'm not the arbiter of what should stay what should go but you should ask yourselves which restaurants do you think should Make It. and. We need to really rally support. You know I'm going to try to pick or restaurant or two every week and to support, but I don't want to see a culinary world where spoon my isn't around. And I don't WanNa. See restaurants that serve cog soon, not around or certain kinds of where John or contacting you name it. Creton has all of these specific shops and if they're not around, we lose so much vibrancy. Just the best parts of eating are going to disappear. And when I see too many restaurant owners really suffering. In genuinely scared and not just the small shops, not just the spoon by this world. Some of the biggest chefs in restaurants you know of. Aren't a bad place. And I'm going to say I'm not so worried about them as much as it should be. We need to worry about the smaller people, the smaller shops, the real independent restaurant operators technically, I'm an independent restaurant operator. Yes. But we really need to support. The genuine deal, the small independent operators, the real mom and pop shops. Please give business to them. That's so important and and in some ways, this really does tie into. The DOCU series that Pod for Hulu taste the nation because if we lose the stories of the immigrants that make up the Great Culinary Canon of America whether it's the Thai food and Las Vegas or the Gulick cuisine I'm sorry for mispronouncing wrong in South Carolina or Texas. El Paso. In the Mexican American Food and We can't lose these stories for the same reason. It's important that Padre is making sure that we're sort of creating this library of Alexandria all of these. Narratives and stories of immigrants that came to this country and express themselves in through food and critter business through it. We need to make sure that these stories are told which is why this show by Padma. So important we cannot lose the actual restaurants because not every restaurant's going to be featured on TV show. It doesn't have to be in Los Angeles. He could be in your hometown wherever you are. There's a small restaurant operator that has a good heart with good morals and they deserve stand business because the government isn't going to do it for us and I think we need to support them from the community's perspective. So I'm sorry I'm really worked up about this I'm trying to stay calm but enough's enough. I mean I'm in Los Angeles. Right now I know this podcast is heard by vanquished a lot of different people but. Support. Your crea town restaurants to put your tiny town restaurants support your Mexican restaurants support all the restaurants that don't have the platform that may not be on social media. That don't have the PR firm that are struggling to get by. It would mean a lot to them interior communities if they are in business. When we can go back to like a world where we have this pandemic under control. Anyway. I know just went on a ramp but I think it was important. So. Shout out to union and to be CD Tofu. House. That is a really sad loss. She is instrumental in Korean food and popularizing it. He souped Lee that was her name owner of CD and really opened up so many of them and if you haven't been to then they make super-g. It's pretty amazing operation they run and. You know it's sad and obviously, I'm going to have a preference to things that are going to be American. there. So many of these stories in a variety of communities and I don't know what else do I'm asking you guys to help. I. Hope that. You guys can help by delicious food from UNION AT SPOON BY H. I have been sort of stuff in my face the past day eating her delicious Kobe. BGN. She has a spicy braised Docs tail. She's got cold noodles. In she's got this new poor Kobe tongue pork broth that's just outrageous and desserts and. Her doctor. Be. Man, unbelievable stuff. Anyway. Call Your Congressman. Call your elected officials tell them to support legislation to help the restaurant industry out and priority being the restaurant workers i. Stay indoors if you can. Wear masks, all these things and Let's get into this podcast with. ME. In Krisztian helping me Co host this. Here you go. I am joined by the wonderful Pod, Moloch me the host of top chef, and if you haven't heard or read about it, it's an incredibly well received. It's a ten part Docu series called tastes the nation with pod locked on Hulu, and that is our home for all things major Domo as well. You know it might be one of the lasts travel docu series for a long time, and if so I'm happy because it's wonderful. Welcome Bodman. Thanks for joining us. Hi. Nice to see you good haircut like the military haircut. It's a lot easier than anything else. So bus cut might be here to stay for a while. I, get it. So we had a few false starts because of my Internet connection and apologies but. You Know Chris and I talk a lot about what we WANNA do for TV and we watch anything because. We know it's not easy to make. It seems like it's easy to make. It's really not as you all. Can you talk about the genesis of it sure. It's easy to make that phone TV. It's just not easy to make it well. And you know there are so many programs like that and you know even though I've been on TV for over a dozen years and in spite of all of the emmy nominations that top chefs receive and it was really hard for me to even get this guy made you know get tastes the nation made and. You know for me. I love that kind of programming I've watched it since I was a kid but I wanted to do a different take on it. You know obviously, there are a lot of those shows around including a couple made by you so I needed to make sure that if I wanted to enter that space, which is how I started by the way I before top. Chef I did a couple of other cooking series one was in studio for the Food Network called Patmos passport, and another one was a documentary special series called planet food. So it is in a way for me returning to where I started because I I base most of my career on travel so I love that kind of programming but I needed to give. Taste, the nation zone character I didn't WanNa, do it and just add you know just be another one I needed it to be different and it is. You know I, think different because it looks at immigrant communities in the United States that often don't get to speak for themselves and don't get a platform to do that you know and it was really important to me to let them speak for themselves because. I've grown up as an immigrant in this country I came here from India but I also grew up with a ton of other immigrants. All through my childhood in Highschool Filipino, Immigrants Korean immigrants Mexican immigrants, and so the experience that I had did not square with a lot of the political rhetoric coming out of Washington. And so shortly after the election. It became clear to me that. This was going south fast with the Muslim ban with the child separation, and that's when I started got involved with the ACLU and it was really through my work with the ACLU that this show came about I was going to do a show on immigrants anyway separately from that I was planning on doing an immigrant cookbook. So we basically combine the two and you know this is really not a food show. It doesn't go into that much specificity about the cooking like Saito chef does or some other shows it's really a political show about immigration. Under the cloak of food travel show. I ask. I mean again I think the audience may not always understand how TV works particularly pitches and stuff. So how long and how many times did you try to pitch the show? We pitched this show over the course of. I would say six to nine months depending on my schedule and when everyone can meet with us and I mean. I met with like six other people you know I I met with everyone who was willing to meet with me, and the way it works in Hollywood which I've learned. The hard way is that you know you go in and you have your show and you pitch the show you WanNa make mostly but you also you know try to be strategic and you keep in mind the brand of the network you're pitching to. So what I mean by that is that a show on Bravo right is going to look very different than a show on CNN or show on You know National Geographic. So I was doing that to a certain extent with the same Austin and thesis of the show I wanted to make But regardless of who I pitched, you know a lot of people passed on it I would say I pitched. Six networks. Before I got to Hulu. Wars response. To. Why? Just. Different versions of no. Yeah. Like you know some were more pithy poetic one network executive who is no longer at a very powerful network even was kind enough to write me a really long email letter about why he was passing You know and I appreciate that I appreciate that he wanted to make sure probably that understood that he really thought about it but at that moment I probably didn't need to read you know. A multi hundred word letter about why my show wasn't. What he wanted in White was derivative. So. Interesting that like. It being derivative would be complaining just it doesn't from I. I would assume that the. Any hesitation to be that it is so overtly political. You made a political show you're standing in front of an American flag in the in the in the top of the show you make no bones about sort of what your mission is to sort of celebrate and point out the diversity of the country, and then also that it is a country entirely comprised of immigrants Given people's hesitation. The fact that you know you try to sell the six networks. It's amazing that what ended up? I, mean Dave and I are very new to making TV relatively new to making TV and I'm so surprised at how political of a show you ended up with an how strong statement you ended up with that's that's amazing to me. I got very lucky I'm glad now in retrospect it was painful at the time believe me but I'm glad all those people said no because I think I wound. At the perfect home. For what I wanted to do with this show and you know not to blow smoke up who's asked, but they really did give me in creative control and. When. There were things that they wanted to cut that. I DIDN'T WANNA cut out of it. I just went to the man I was like I really need to convince you guys otherwise into be fair to them. You know it only happened to yeah about two times they were big issues for me, and luckily I was able to talk them through y felt it was important to leave it in and they supported me on it. So I honestly don't think that. I could have found a better more supportive. And I think that also has to do with how I pitched by the time. That might you know, Hulu? Send word to my agents said, they were interested in meeting with me. I had already flown my ask to La like two or three times a my own time and like spent the whole week away from my kid and it sought to like come back and be like, Christian my ten year old who was nine at the time it'd be like, did you sell it and I'd like now Mommy didn't sell or you know we'd sit there and wait for the e mail. Everyday she'd come home from school and she'd like, did you hear you know? Did you hear from this network because she's very she? You know she's around me all the time and it's just as so You know she she is really aware of what's going on and. That that was hard you know but I do think that what happened happened for the best because by the time I took the meeting which I took much like this in a skype call and. Like in my pajamas as sitting at my desk at least waist down. is just was like so fed up with being told now that I was fully expecting to be told no again, and so therefore, I just pitched the show exactly the way I wanted to. Like life I would unite Dave we're going out having a beer at night and I would just tell you exactly what I wanted in the language that I would want to without holding back. We're thinking about who I was talking to and I think in the end they got the purist version of me and luckily they said, yes. I'm very lucky to be doing this show. You know as difficult as it is for people of Color to get anything made in Hollywood. It is doubly difficult for women to get things made in I. Hate you know nobody wants to go there nobody wants to say that Shit but. You would think that it wouldn't have been that hard for someone like me who's been in television for twenty years and yet it wasn't easy at all. I mean I I wonder this a lot. You know even even ugly when we pitched ugly delicious, which was at the time you before we were pitching something like Lucky Peach at TV show or something he got rejected five times and it was just What I took from it was. Maybe it's not good enough. Maybe it's not polished enough but in all the rejections, it was the audiences and therefore. And that really hurt. Did you feel that way as well like weight Is Representation not possible. because. There's people that don't care about these stories. It doesn't drive dollars and marketing revenue and all of these things and Nielsen ratings like I don't know and I'm still trying to grapple with what it all means but. Do you think question is do you think that your audience? Watches top chef religiously because top chef has the craziest following. Are they going to overlap with trying to have a show that sort of like a gadfly that's pushing people out of their comfort zones to remind them that the food you eat has a story behind it and you should know about it right and it's pushing them and two different buckets. But I think from an entertainment executives agenda right? Their job is to not always right. To to get as many eyeballs as possible or it's to win awards or something like that, but you reconcile that because. You would love it would be amazing if you're Bravo audience all watch. Your Hulu show that you think that's the case or not an I just WanNa have some escapism. No I think actually I mean I can only. Tell you what I've learned from my feedback like from letters to the website or comments that I get on social media and what I have consistently gotten is you know I've I've loved top chef for years but I don't really watch travel shows that much religious like the competition aspect but I love taste the nation because it's it's it allows me to see you in a completely different light and it it. You know it gives me a whole different. Perspective of the Food Universe we have had a lot of people I mean we you know we I I asked and they said, yes, we put a commercial for taste, the nation in between that our when top chef is running on on Bravo because I was like you know I want people to know about it like honestly I know that I wanted I made a show that I wanNA watch. Okay and I think that is the key to any piece of content whether it's writing a memoir or cookbook or whatever or making programming like I and It's also different to get to finally do your own material like that was a big game changer for me. You know I'm an executive producer for several years now on top chef but that show was fully formed, right? It's not it's in machine. That is a big thing that runs but starting something from scratch from the ground up is a lot different and I think it's allowed me to say things that I wouldn't be able to say in formatted show like top chef nothing I can't speak my mind on top shed but just like I wanted to. I. Wanted to show rather than how I wanted to show. And prove my point through other people's stories because when I signed on to work with the ACLU I was making a lot of keynote addresses going to rallies knows always self referring to my own immigrants story and then you know after a while, I just needed new material and I got sick of talking about myself. So then I started going deeper and deeper Into the immigration law and going to do research like with the Migration Policy Institute. I befriended legality to is one of the country's. You know. Most learned attorneys on immigration I actually went to see him in the Supreme Court on a case that we unfortunately lost but we've won a lot of others recently so I can't complain on. So I just started getting deeper into issue, and then you know I realized that like these people have everybody when you scratch the surface has a really compelling story you just have to be willing to listen and So that's what I did. I wanted to give these people the platform that I enjoyed to tell their stories, how they saw fit and not editorialized that many today Dettori show is my point of view obviously, but to just show rather than tell mine. So after filming ten episodes. Of the show with very different communities from around the country from. Germans in no to. go up people in south. Carolina. Did you did you come away with a more I? Mean what is your? What is your picture of America in your head now? Is it more cohesive or more fractured having seen? How desperate these communities are like, what what is your? Takeaway. About the country as a whole. You know my my take away isn't that different from when I started. Filming, last summer but I will say that what I found was more hopeful than cynical it united know what I would find obviously do as much research in pre production as you can. But what I found is that regardless of whether I was talking to a tie grandma in Las Vegas or a guy making beer out of his garage in Milwaukee OR FOR GENERATION MR key goal you know whenever you want to call like they all have the same. Spirit and drive that they came to the country with or that they inherited through therefore fathers and mothers who came here like that spirit of I can do it and I can come here and I can make a life for myself and. This sort of can do spirit sounds Super Corny. I. Really I really found that like if if you're an immigrant who's willing to leave everything, you have like our parents did right or grandparents did. And and come to a new country and start from scratch. You have to be optimist first and foremost, and you have to have a level of gumption that flies in the face of comfort Even if you come here with certain resources in are more comfortable than how a lot of immigrants do it, you still have to be an outsider. And this is a country of outsiders. So, what irritates me and what I use? My show to to point out is the hypocrisy of of certain parts of our culture that that assume that America is theirs because it is not. It is all of ours. But certainly like this is my this is my hope and why I am drawn to your show is. I think that. A lot of US yourself included recognize this these universality between Americans right? We all are. Striving for something we've all come here from somewhere else and we're all hoping to achieve this thing what I migrate hope is that the German community in Milwaukee sees themselves in the tiger an weather in Las Vegas sees themselves in the Gulf people in Charleston I. This is my hope for the country at large is that like you said We. You know whether it's hypocrisy or just sort of you know not knowing yet. You hope that like these these groups that probably don't see eye to eye on a political level that probably don't vote for the same people and probably. Probably, don't see each other on their surface as the same. Come. Away from seeing a show like yours and say, Hey, what that struggles like I know how hard it is to start a business here like that German sausage businesses just like my Thai restaurant in Vegas the. Same problems you know. I have found that because like you know there's a lot of nuance and complexity to the political landscape and that's why for instance, Maynard Haddad is on you know is on an interview in the Paso episode because he he presents a lot of contradictions that are indicative. Of what's going on today in much of the voting public but you know, Wisconsin. Can Be Conservative, but actually, Milwaukee is not that concerned. Now I went to October fest and I will tell you that I could count the amount of black people. I saw on my fingers compared to the Sea of hundreds of people I saw at Tober festival I was going on this Gondolo, right but But I will say that like they're very open and they you know when I was talking to them, they'll say stuff like you know just like your mom came here when you were a little girl, you know my great-grandfather did it and I think for them, there's their their particular. Struggle, you know or conundrum is that their culture has been so. So diluted into the Greater American culture that they actually feel like you know they don't have their own culture because it's just been completely washed into American culture that nobody thinks of a hotdog as German. And that they want credit for that on. We'll be right back at a word from our sponsors. Today's episode of the Dave Chang Show is brought to you by sensitive. When you have sensitive teeth. 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Oh, great it is. Time, it's totally a food show any any show that has food good that go slow motion on the food is a food show. I'm sorry. So so let's talk about. This thing we wanted to do before cove was called dining reports and we were basically going to just share our dining experience from any given week and recommend new and old places to listeners. But you know that doesn't happen anymore because our our weekly dining experiences are always the same and we miss restaurants dearly. But I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about some of the. Highlights from from filming or things that didn't make it in meals that you had, and Dave I was hoping that you could talk a little bit about the same from ugly delicious and Actually there's a little crossover here. You guys did a a little Sitcom style crossover episode that we should. We should talk about too. Yeah it was great. It was great. Actually I got a lot of great feedback from being ugly delicious people were like, wow I didn't know you knew all that stuff and I was like, yeah. I'm not I'm not on top just because I sit the heels you know. Is. An Amazing Cook. She makes delicious food and flattered. No I mean, it's it's great and also it allowed me to talk about stuff that I never get to talk about on top chef because then I, you know when I did that with you I didn't taste the nation I. Don't know that I was even pitching it yet. And so like on my job on top chef, make everyone else look like a boss. You know five done that the nine done my job well, and I'm concerned about making sure the show continues to be a hit. So it was nice to be able to like drop all this knowledge that have been carrying around the until then nobody shit. I mean I gave a shit about it but you know. But about the food on face the nation. Yeah, I've also been. You know into programming in television for twenty years. So I have a lot of fully formed opinions and ideas about how did how to film just from a technical. Point of view, the visual landscape inside the visual language of face. The Nation is very specific and it's very purposeful in you know there were other things that I'd love to do if we have a bigger budget down the. And nobody on my team not my not my show runner not my EP. Had any experience prior to doing taste the nation filming food and worked out because again, nobody came with any preconceived notions in I could just build it the way I saw fit from the ground up and you know I think one of the reasons that it works is because it is a different point of view. It's a it's a decidedly female pointed view and that's different. You know like a show by me is gonNA look different than a show by you dave or by Tony or Insert any of the names that you and I both know and other than. there. There really aren't any other women traveling around like that, which just goes to show you which says more than I can abou-. Gender politics in Hollywood you know but I'm I'm very into food porn. So. At one point I almost like was gonNA cash in some some stuff I had in the bank to go by special camera because I really wanted this kind of really poor Nishat and then. You know like my showrunner was like it's fine. It's You know we'll you know of we'll get. You don't have to do that I'm sure we're going to get it but like. I mean I want the I, want the food to look really lurid and beautifully stay lured as as a compliment. I love that Shit because I. I'm not a chef and I don't do that kind of architectural plated food. I have a great respect for it. I appreciate it I know how much effort goes into it, but it is not my bag. It is my bag to like be on the street and Lick my fingers and get messy and I want you to feel like that lamb in the Persian episode is just sizzling like you could almost fucking smell it. You know, and if you reach out and touch it, your fingers will burn, but she won't care. You know that's that's what I wanted I. wanted to ask I wanted to ask about that. On the editing of that. The body was all done. No mistakes. It was perfect. I. I swear on Krishna's life. was. It was like, we you know we didn't have the luxury of being able to do it twice. I actually very nervous about it, and we we used a nonstick pot fully full disclosure. for the Tadic but you know but Serena I discussed in my show runner and she was like you know what? If it doesn't come out it doesn't come out like that's a moment in itself in it's just how you react to it and indeed like in the Gullet episode, you know when Michael and I make that rise over an open fire I mean it is pap. You know it is like so mushy and I'm a real big BRYCE KNOB as Dave knows. The like But that's what it came out as and you know I was okay with at least it tasted amazing but it was more like porridge. WAS, red Porsche but it was delicious and so you have to roll with that. I. Mean you know they're the cooking was really fun because a lot of these people with Nawaz. She's a great cookbook author actually wound up giving her the piglet prize last year. Just by coincidence, and so when the show got green lead, I knew I wanted to do Persians and I knew I wanted to talk with her but with the other people in the series like Rosa, who is a dance teacher you know in the Peruvian episode like she doesn't she she's her recipe giving is an odyssey you know. and so like you know, my my sister Anthony who runs my office wound up being the defacto culinary producer because we didn't even have one other than me but I couldn't do everything you know so So we had to deal with that because a lot of these people are not camera ready and you know I don't really interview people I'm not a journalist like I learned really fast on the job. I mean I've you know I`ve Interviewed like. Rene. At the Ninety Second Street Y. or Nathan. myhrvold. When when those cookbooks I came out at the Science Academy here in New York but I've not like I'm not a journalist like this. You know I don't interview people. So that was that was like a really interesting thing and so getting the recipe from them and cooking with them was actually a good way to break the ice and get to know them because it gave them something to focus on and me something to go back to you know without. Like a little conscious about that. I will say you're underplaying you're interviewing skills, but like you are incredibly empathetic and generous interviewer in these in the scenes and that was one thing that struck me was like regardless of you're talking about you treat them as though you're speaking to the president, not this president president. A. Good president but. Date can you can you? I JUST WANNA go back a little bit. Can you explain the big and why it was so impressive to you why are you? Why are you questioning her ability are why are you questioning this thing? Well, what is it and why was it so impressed, jade, why were you questioning? Well. First of all, there's A. Variety of ways and. The crunchy rice in any culture that makes rice. You know they have some word for that and toddy is is delicious and something that I'm glad that people are learning more about. But it's also not that easy to make and I'm glad that you guys really buil built up attention and I could see it on his face when she's looking at her husband like don't fuck this up these guys. It's nonstick but like even still like I've made a ton. And it's just never always works out and it's such a letdown because you're doing it after everything is like made right and. Go back and fix it. It's like baking. And it's a high wire act and I kept on thinking because. I've shot some a lot of food TV, but in those moments you're like. You don't. You don't get to shoot it again like like like, and you get nervous when I was cooking steaks for Danny McBride How was Petrified, because. I know how to cook it rare to meteorology well done, and of course I do. But when there's a camera on you everything changes and it's not natural anymore and you're not this is your first time in your interviewing people that there's a camera on the first time. So all the things change and your job which are very good at to make it seem like the camera's not there. and. That's what I was thinking about when you're over the rice. And I was like what would like wondered like how you're filming if it did happen did you have a backup and I was like I don't think. So this is probably all done in the moment. And I'm I'm glad you told me that I was right there's no way would not have done this where it's backup, she would've shown Mike the rice with Michael twitty where it was like a fucked up and I'm glad that you kept it in I. Thought that was the best part especially, Michael being like Nah it's overcooked he was. About how? I. Make it better. Yeah. Of course, because that's life like my my job was to make something that was anti slick. You know that was that was just real and palpable and you know so visible and so you channel I don't you know I can't maybe other people can who have better poker faces but you cannot. Conveyed that visceral ness for lack of a better word without it being so like if you if I had another Tadic off camera in my pocket, like you know I would have been faking it and then even if nobody else knew out of felt like an asshole specifically because I have been TV programming like you know on the food network when I. Started I did my cooking show. We would shellac shed with glycerin like I mean it was like worse than a car commercial. So know believe me I. Know How the sausage is made You know a different levels of the game where food programming is concerned and I just I really wanted to show the humanity of these people and if I. If I was to do that I had to start with my own humanity i. Saw Dave? pod has been open and honest about her cooking TV experiences here in all your TV cooking experience what has been the low point of your cooking on screen and the high point do. What's What's your biggest flop? I had the biggest flop I don't know. Anything that has to be scripted just doesn't work so well with me like I'm not. I can't do anything scripted but I go back all the way when we're doing the lucky peach with the mind of a chef what turning the mind, a chef, all those cooking scenes in the kitchen were done at two in the morning. Yeah because we couldn't afford or get a studio during the daytime and the only place that had lighting. Is was at my Gosh. So we filmed after mawkish closed, and that was that was a low point because we would shoot for four or five hours. And you know like I I was such a perfectionist that I was like, no, no no we gotta do that. Again we gotta do that again and it's like four in the morning people like faulk you wanted the Stanley Kubrick motherfucker. The fuck up and I was like, okay, sure. Sure. It's good you sure and I kept like I. It's like you don't even WanNa. Look like a dumb, ass you just don't want to embarrass anyone else to because of this. It's not even insecurity. You just I just kept thinking everything I'm going to do sucks. So from that point on I was like, Oh, I don't really want to make food TV and it's one of the reasons why I stopped cooking on live TV shows because my biggest flop was doing the fallon show. Where I? Think they edited out like we're doing the hot wing challenge and we're gonNA make hot wings. So it was going to be almost inedible and like they had this whole setup where you take off the Dome in front of you and then you give it to Jimmy or something like that, and we went into and over and over again, and then the camera goes on the producer goes go and I fuck it up right off the bat and I look up and see the produce me like, what are you doing you? Sound like live live cooking for me is not easy at all and I learned a lot of doing her show a bunch. It's the worst I learned so much from doing it with Martha because like it's so disciplined and it's you have to practice it over and over and over again. But for the most part because I don't like. I don't WanNa be that person unless a show like your your your first food network show I watched and I liked a lot where it's exp instructional teaching about technique. I don't want that to be what I'm doing right? Because that's what I do normally. So in terms of low points, it's basically anything I've ever cooked on TV happy in my mind. Okay so either of you either you have high moments, then like have you ever been cooking something onscreen and thought. God I did an awesome job on this thing like as as I happened. Now. I don't what happens to me and it's not only when I cook live although that is the most excruciating presentation of of this feeling manifestation of this feeling. I go into a zone where the minute that a camera goes on or I get on stage to make a speech at a podium whatever you whatever way WANNA slice sliced doesn't even have to be live to be I blackout in on like an autopilot and I'm fine or a nervous before and I do what I need to do, and then after like after the segment on the today. Show the today show is the most pressurized for me like you have asked you to do like a second fifteen course dinner in like five minutes and you're like, but I can't do that in that amount of time I'm going to be doing like basically I'm just going to be swapping out. Shit Til Kingdom Com an actually WANNA do some cooking. So I always tried to keep it simple. But you know. I after the fact when I get off air and then I turned to whoever's with me I'm like, what did I say what did I do I occurring? Because I. Don't remember I have no clue I remember our. Person that felt, this way Arthur. Not. At all. I mean listen I've been cooking on the today show for good twenty years. The first time I went on the today show was in nineteen, Ninety nine for my first book. So you can't say that you know I don't have experience at it. I hate it so much. They're you know they're lovely and they always have his on and they have such a big viewership that you can't say no and I'm very thankful that they always have me on. But I am a mass for like two or three days before and the rest of the afternoon after and I walk around like peeling my TV makeup and eyelashes off and going like what did I do? Did they like it? Was the look on his face and she actually put the spoon in her mouth. You know they're always very gracious right but it's a nightmare and so it is a it is a hard thing which is why I have so much empathy for our contestants I would never fucking sign up to be contested attach. Depended on you. Know, and as far as that Shit looks on TV, it is way harder you know and so I feel so bad for them unlike a fourth grade teacher just want to hug them all even the ones that sup especially the ones that. Because I know what they have to go through and. Not only got one camera on them for four minutes. They've got like fucking fifteen cameras on them for six weeks But you know the reason our show works is because people do want to come on and actually the competition to get on the shows pretty severe and so thank God and it's very compelling to see someone work their ass off to try to be the best at what they do. I mean to me that's the great human pathos that makes you know the top chef engine Ron. Absolutely the core people who? Who are willing to? I, mean you explaining how hard it is and how like just pressure-filled people still want to do it like that is the drama central that shows just there's there's a reason why I've never done a competition show. I know I was smart nothing bad. Nothing. Good. Come out of this. I always tell all the shots that try to come on and they're like, Hey, do you have any tips for doing late night TV or doing today show and I tell them I was like you really have to do it. Because the only thing that can happen for viewership for them is something that goes back out. That's good one F-. Not, so. Stressful. Yeah I mean I think it's just my Karma whenever that nervousness when I go on the today show because I'm also super critical of like really big chefs who go on there and then like the you know the four minutes goes by and they haven't done shit and that you have. And they're trying to make like you know I. Don't know what. But like they're trying to do a rack of land and then potatoes Jonathan was and all this Frenchie food in like three and a half minutes, and then they got to the weather and pretty much. I'm done I'm like dude, you know just make some Chili. All people on the today show audience want to see like nobody nobody is going to you know make this whole fish the way you want them to. Let's take another quick break to hear from our sponsors. 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I want to explain this for people that are listening to what are these guys complaining about so whether you're on tonight show or today show or any lie TV segment like your local TV, station you're almost always if you're cooking at the end of your thirty minutes or the our always, and because you're not maybe the prime time thing on that show. You're you're never going to get more time. You're always gonNA get maybe less time to make it happen you have. This seven minutes. All right. You plan it. You'RE GONNA, do seven minutes. But when you're planning it, you don't know what questions are going to be asked you cook you don't Cook and Talk I. Mean I. Don't like you you you. You've been much better than me. So you have to answer questions and sort of imagine how to cook as you go. And Not surprised. This. Yeah. The producer says actually you don't have seven minutes you have four and a half minutes and you're like. What the fuck. And your your setup is different. You're not on your home kitchen your cooking on like this rolling away table with a Bunsen burner and all this other ship. It's really Yeah, and also because there could be especially on the today show, there could be a sudden news break that you know they shave a minute or Charlene Darren could be telling him really funny story and so you know like, sorry, we're GonNa have to shave ninety seconds but ninety seconds out of four and a half minutes is shipped a time to take away you know. So so I totally get it. So you know our cooking segments on taste the nation are like literally cooking with your grandma they are so long they take so long to do because you're in people's homes in the light isn't great. And you know they're running around and they're talking and they don't know how to cook gun cameras. So when you ask them a question, their hands stop moving you know and so like what you see in this show is thirty minutes show. But what you see those like four five minutes of me cooking, take us like hours and hours to film is because you? Have to be patient your guest in their home. Also, you know like they're doing you the favor of allowing you into their home. So you can't be like, let's see this up but it's so nice to see that and for you to meet them on on their terms and like what they want to make because I mean going back to what you were talking about. Cooking on live TV. You know. I've I've stood in the wings and washed a lot of this stuff over the years and and sort of the bigger the audience, the bigger the show, the more national the show is the more restricted the kind of food they WANNA see. It's like nobody they will say to you nobody in middle America wants to see fish like can you do this with chicken? It's always do this with chicken. Like it's just it's so nice to see you know ugly delicious taste. The Nation shows where that that's never going to be a thing you're never gonNA. Say To Them I. Love this crab Rice Can you do this with soil int- instead you know like you Do that we we actually we don't have many rules on face the nation, but one of them is no soil allow. No soil in snow say time know should I mean? Token because Tofu can be delicious of you know what to do with it but you know we we're not like also you know a lot of the food like on ugly delicious like by the way that's a genius name because it basically is how you would describe every single fucking. Indian. Dishes because. Indian food is I mean south Indian food biased obviously because I'm from south India but south food is a little bit more photogenic but those north Indian stews man like they're really really really hard to shoot and you know I just I just made a decision not to worry about that because I was going to drive myself crazy But often when we're doing close ups and stuff, I will literally be breathing. Down the. Necks. DP being like, did you get it from here? Did you get it from there? You know. and. Because I'm a very, I'm a very sensual person. That is not sexual although I'm kind of like that too but I mean. I'm very like a censorial person. So I you know if you saw me chop vegetables, you'd be highly unimpressed but like the way I approach food is through my senses. So you know I can tell whether something is okay by the way smells as its frying or I can tell when the mustard seeds are done based on like how quickly the rhythm of their popping is, and so I want to show that because that's how most home cooks work. You know they're not being told by executive chef and they don't have like Meson plus coming to them and. They're the only ones responsible for everything. So they and they have kids screaming is life regular. And that is the food that interests me. I would be probably really interested in the food that your mother or father served you Dave you know in Chris growing up versus you know I've eaten lucky peach I know what your food wise when I when I went to those restaurants at the time. But like that interests me you know those kind of meals we all grew up because it's one thing to have authentic Chinese or Indian food whatever the hell that means today and it's another thing to have totally like pf changs. Right but there's this third space which is very authentic. But Austin takes a lot of liberties and bad immigrant cooking and that is the food that I grew up with, and that is the food that I think hasn't had enough play in America and bad is the food that eventually graduates to become quoted part of the American food lexicon and so that's what I'm looking at I'm looking at what's happening on the ground because it interesting. You know you Dave earlier, you were saying like. You. Just feel like maybe I'm down and maybe nobody else cares about this shit and there's not an audience for it. I mean I did feel like that. Sometimes you know and I was very insecure. I've been on TV a longtime. I'm very comfortable in front of the camera, but I'm never not nervous is the truth and you know I. Like I'm never a never relaxed when Thomas Keller's in the room I think he's a really nice man but. I'm never just like totally like attis you know I never fully exhale. So to speak because I'm intimidated I'm not gonNA asking the right question or illicit or ask him a dumb question and I was afraid of that with the nation's affair like what if I'm boring? You know like top chef has a shit ton of editing and fast music and stuff like what did you take away all that stuff? I'm just not interesting and neither is the Shit I'm trying to say is interesting and that's a constant worry and I'm so relieved that enough people other than me and my mom are. You. You know you just talked about immigrant culture and then slowly percolating. So it becomes mainstream and for me of the episodes, the the one that was the most impactful and they all tell very important stories. It's not a one is better than other but for me the one that was like, wow, this is very powerful because it's telling me something that I I knew a little bit about, but not a lot was in in different ways was. The. Gulag. itchy episode in South Carolina because. That is exactly it in a nutshell. Everyone in America in restaurants scenes to know whether it's an milk grits or Carolina Gold Rice or whatever. It's on the menus and they almost even next level no low country cooking you know you know and. The Gula story is never associated with that and I thought that was a very powerful message. That was You don't even when I pitched the show that was part of my pitch because I didn't want someone to green like the show and say, well, wait a minute. They're not really immigrants but you know. African Americans in this country are a product of forced migration and their ancestors came to these shores with centuries of tradition, knowledge skill, talent and it's not an accident that the Carolina rice industry floundered after emancipation and that's important. You know I never I'm a product of the US school system learned any of that in I should have because it's interesting in it's part of our history, and moreover there's so much negative stuff in so much really dark deep shit about you know our country's history of enslavement that to be able to talk about some of these beautiful things about the skills they did bring. With them is again another form of giving credit where credit is due. and. I found I. I was in Charleston for six weeks. And we found the whole season of top chef fair, which is how I got to know and become friends with bj Dennis and I kept in touch with him and then. The minute I got Green Lit I knew that that was the episode I wanted that episode and I also wanted a native American episode because if I was going to, you know talk about what American food is or was I needed to really see what was here before. colonialists set foot on North America and that was cool to have never been on a reservation before you know I'm sitting there with Twyla castle or looking out at this beautiful desert and all I see is Wiley Coyote countries the desert but you know through twilight is and with her guidance I learned how to forage for wild onions like on never forget that never not be able to see a wild onion in on the ground because it says so moving to do that you know and and. So for me. I learned a ton and I got to get really nerdy about stuff that I've always been curious about I'm food nerd but I'm also a history nerd and so this allowed me to just exercise that yen that I've always had to look at that stuff. I. Mean I used to try to talk about that stuff in the early seasons of top chef judges table and you know I I have a little receiver in might year that allows me to talk to control rooms that can keep things moving. And I'll never forget like our show runner at the time was nance straight and you know she has a little bit of a southern accent and she's a great show runner and she's very different than needs to like when I starts talking about that stuff should be like save it for PBS less shell motive. I mean. In some ways taste the nation in like my my mind if I was going to try to explain it to someone that wasn't a foodie right and that's how I'm always trying to look at something is how do you explain food content to someone that doesn't give a shit about food? Because we can be in this bubble where you think everybody knows what the fuck you're talking about. In my mind, this was a little bit like Howard's in history of the United States, but be a food and without all. The, the TV version, a thirty minute TV version of it and I think it's a very powerful story. Because it hasn't been. Right. Thank you. Yeah. I don't I don't think it's been told and that's why when I got that letter about it being derivative. I WANNA, throw my computer out the window. You know because I don't think it's derivative and that is the problem and that's you know hopefully, we're having a reckoning right now. In food media were the people who brought things like Kimchi and Berber and all the stuff get to talk about it themselves. You know people always like what do you think about food appropriation, Mike? Look on I want I don't eat all Indian food all the time like if you've looked at my cookbooks, you know that I cook Moroccan Food Mexican everything I'm just saying like a couple of sentences on a head note before recipe or a caption in an instagram post or whatever couple of words even on a menu would just place it in context context is really really important. Absolutely. I. One. More question before before we let you go. And this is be shooting TV. There's a lot of driving. Scenes in the. Nation. How did you feel that and we're like, did you actually like drive to Las Vegas or like where did you start? I was like, well, how did this happen? No it was really interesting I mean it. You know I wanted to the reason. There's a lot of driving is because it allows me to do certain things cinematic leaving I wouldn't be able to do. In other things that would be Germane to the show. So I wanted to taste the nation to feel very Wide and. Like sort of sprawling N., show the diversity of the physical beauty of America like I wanted it to look like a really kick, ass. Tourism Commercial. You know because I wanted to show. I wanted the the land to be a metaphor for the people and so that's why we go from the tropics of Hawaii to the Arizona desert to the. Islands Island Sarah I wanted to go to Vegas now biggest sorry. I wanted to go to Alaska to film the Filipinos there because just the idea of these people who come from such a tropical place in in Asia now living in snow for six months was interesting to me but you know hopefully there's a second season will do that and so I wanted to show to feel really expansive and beautiful and those driving scenes allow need to show. That the desert or whatever But at the same time, I also wanted the show to feel super-duper intimate. You know I wanted people to feel like you know who normally aren't exposed to these tie grandma's to like be sitting at the kitchen counter with these tigr mouse or doing what I did in high school with Paducah. Pat Is like eating take out in a fucking car a Honda like out of Styrofoam like that was my high school existence. You know. So so that's why we film literally we film that in the car. In a parking lot. Well offer one have always been impressed at who you are and how you live and your kindness and your depth of knowledge about all things so. I am happy that you have the outlet of taste, the nation and you should have more. Should have you should have it. Why don't you have a podcast? Actually. I don't do so well, you know it's funny because I would love to find stuff to do That doesn't involve me in front of the camera. Even my wardrobe on face the nation is very purposeful. For reason, like I'm sick of wearing tight dress in eating burritos. And high heels and all that Shit I mean look I love Glamour I was a model I'm not GonNa lie and say that I don't like dressing up because I am very girly and stuff but like at some point you're like a fuck it you know I'm GonNa be fifty. Very shortly, and so a podcast is very, very attractive to me. I've actually been playing around with a couple of ideas, but it's not like a chat podcast because I think that you guys do it very well, and I have other friends who do it really well So you know that that may not interest need, but there's another idea that I might have the I've been working on actually in quarantine so. It's a little out there and it's not. I I talk talk to Padma. offline. We'll let you get out of here. Watch Hulu show watch top CHEF, follow? Her cooking exploits on instagram because they've been fabulous one of my favorite people. Thank you. Thank you. I. Hope I get to meet Hugo in person soon. With our conversation with pawn watchmen she is. She's just so cool man and she's experienced a lot. I really like her interview in New York Times magazine with David Marquette. So again, check that out. That's it to podcast this week. We'll get back to you next week. Please keep on sending. US questions at ask Dave at Major Doma media DOT COM. 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Uncut Gems (Featuring Kris Krainock)

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Uncut Gems (Featuring Kris Krainock)

"It all right. Welcome to another episode of piecing it together. The podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and and today on the show is our first proper new episode of Two Thousand Twenty. Although now that I think about it we recorded this one right before New Year's so I guess technically the next regular episode will be the first four on twenty twenty episode. I don't know Ah I don't know how you really I really planning things I. I had a similar dilemma back when it was the end of our first year of podcasting and also the end of the first year of US podcasting when it was like New Year's but not quite the first year of I tend to get any of these things sometimes and I really shouldn't. Can I just talk about movies today. The movie we're talking about was my biggest anticipated movie. A two thousand eighteen. It is a SAFDIE brothers. Uncut Gems starring Adam Sandler. I am such a huge fan of their film. Good Time Pan so I was really really really looking forward to this and a eight. It met my expectations. I mean honestly. I'm still kind of unpacking in like really getting to the bottom of what all I feel about this movie because it's it's a complicated one but I loved it and I had a great conversation with Chris. Krenek who joins me on this one to talk about a whole lot of puzzle. Oh pieces we got a very big finished puzzle at the end so get ready. We got a nice long conversation for you. About uncut gems it will not be as anxiety eighty inducing as the movie. Don't worry you can just sit back and relax and enjoy it but I do WanNa remind you before we jump into that mix subscribe to piecing it together and your podcast App of choice. If you he likes here on the show you can rate and review us an apple podcasts or on Pod chaser and of course follow us on social media at Piecing pod. So let's get into this conversation about the saft brothers uncut gems Today's episode is sponsored by the Golden Tiki recently named one of the top Tiki bars. Need nited states by the Food Network and also one of the top ten best nightlife destinations in Las Vegas by USA Today. They've got great rum mic streets and of course the DELWIP. They've got theme nights. Dj's all kinds of fun stuff including Alan Buds Away Sis who are two who robotic parrots that put on a great show every hour on the hour. The next time you're in Las Vegas make sure to check out the Golden Tiki Spring Mountain. All right back on the show today. Okay we've got Chris Krenek. How's it going man? I'm doing very well. Thank you how are you. I'm all right man just wrapping up this year. Just there's so many movies they have to just squeeze in at the last minute and it's just so difficult to cover them. All you know award season ward season. And just Ah. Why do they have to do this to us? Man I feel like Adam Sandler in this movie like rushing from theater theater trying to see all this shit you should definitely wear big teeth. squint my eyes little chance. I'm sorry go ahead. Oh Man. SO UNCUT GEMS I was super super super excited for this movie as you know Good time is one of my favorite movies of this decade paid. I love that movie so much and I. I hadn't actually seen any of the other work. I'm sure we'll be talking about it as we get into this conversation. I I've have gone back and watched heaven knows what since seeing uncut gems. But how about you. Were you super psyched for this one. Oh yeah so I had seen a heaven knows what what I think. By comparison of good time and uncut gems was kind of like minor. Saftey I think there were still kind of finding their way. Sure I think they they will. They were fully realized with good time. Yeah good time really blew my mind and I was really excited about uncut gems because of the potential that I thought at that I had seen in good time. You know sure and of course. There's all this hype about the central performance of Adam Sandler and all that stuff and we we go through this thing every few years and he makes a good movie broke my guy. He's a good actor at the same conversation. We've had like five other times and people forget every time every single time it happens and you make grownups love him right now. It's his fault fault really I'd say but So yeah it was really excited. I was a little worried. Actually because good time was such an exercise in style Al such a successful exercise in style that I was really hoping that they wouldn't just come back and do the same thing again. Yeah which they did and they didn't know I was pleasantly surprised that it would to me felt like growth while still being very much in that that style which I think they now inhabit that kind of they they now have a a thing that nobody else has so much a safti brothers movie. Yeah with a little more money with more but with yeah but without the common problem some of like of like solving problems with money instead of creatively. She'll many successful stories and that way we're like they have a great movie. They've made on ten cents and then they get the the whole world given even to them and they just blow it start solving the problems with money and not creatively is still feels like it still feels like it's cheap. Yeah but in the best way possible. That's not the criticism absolutely. It still feels like they were like. It's all running on adrenaline and passion But I even think it's more sophisticated in in a story sense but we'll talk about that more. Sure sure yeah. This is going to be a long conversation I already know I mean this is my most movie of the years on definitely voted talking about it and I know we discussed ahead of time. He got a lot of pieces pieces. So why don't we jump in and get to your first puzzle piece all right so I want to get a puzzle couple puzzle pieces out of the way. Just because I feel like they're slightly obligatory I WANNA say say. Pta Punch gloves slash heart eight so thing about Punch drunk love touch on briefly. Because I think the only similarity is in the genius of the casting both PTA and the SAFDIE brothers. Not only did they know how to harvest the potential of Adam Sandler whereas performer. But there's something else that I think is one level more genius which is that? They knew they had a very unlikeable character. With powered they knew that an uncut gems they needed to elicit some sympathy for us to want to keep watching sky worse and worse decisions and I think it was kind of a stroke of genius. Either from the Saffi's which I think it is from them because they wanted him like ten years ago. I imagine this film but also maybe from the casting director you know. Whoever was in that conversation Asian because when we look at Adam Sandler we have a very hard time? Separating your happy Gilmore right yes. He disappeared into Howard but he didn't disappear entirely highly. He's lovable sociopath. Yeah exactly and so there's just something and that's this is not something that narrative storytelling with craftsmanship of the film making. They didn't try to manipulate us. US into having empathy for the character. It was just something that he exudes in his performance. Yeah unconsciously I think he played the roughest and and most intense character he could but just because of who he is. We were sucked in and had this other emotional connection so that was kind of a either they lucked into it or that. It was a very wise decision that both. PTA and sand and this after brothers pardon used In their films. And that's how I feel they're connected and then of course heart eight kind of superficially. Actually that's a lot about about gambling short of you know that arena so I think the work of PTA though and is definitely Connected and his vision for Sandler is is a big part of their vision for Sandler. Absolutely yeah I mean they they clearly for that punch drunk love which I also have a mile of pieces you know I. It's it's a movie where they clearly had a vision of. This is what we know and love about Adam Sandler and let's right to those strengths strength but in a different way that we haven't really quite seen before and I think PTA did that with punchdrunk. Love I think he knew he saw something in them and went for it. You know. Yeah Yeah I mean. Pizza has has said that. Like he's like I really like Adam Sandler Films Turn my brain off and you know if I wanted to kind of have fun I watch it Adam Sandler movie and I think he even described punchdrunk love as an arthouse Adam Sandler movie right. He actually used that. You know those kind of phrases described his own film so I think he knew the kind of the bottled up rage and I recently went back and reread. Roger Ablett's review of Punchdrunk love and it was basically talking about why he doesn't like all the other Adam Sandler films uh-huh he's basically was angry. Rage filled person. I made any takes out juvenile comedy and then in. PTA's film he was able to explore that in a more delicate and deep way and it's funny it ought to be honest. I'm not a huge. I'm not a huge punchdrunk. Love Fan that sacrilege to a lot the film nerds or buffs or whatever I found it irritating and I found it overly Paul Thomas Anderson. I guess he's a He's much more talented than I think. Most of his films was would suggest and so I have a love hate with him but I but I want. It's time to revisit it. I think I want to really focus. Focus more on Adam Sandler's performance and give that it's do does yeah. I love that movie and one last thing before moving on just the the idea of have you know writing free you know free. Performer was mostly known for comedy. You know who else they were going for after. Adam Sandler walked away from the project. I heard about Sasha Baron Cohen. ooh Oh wow yeah they even got to like table reads and everything and like no very possibly going to happen. When Adam Sandler couldn't do it or didn't WanNa do it actually rose and so yeah that was gonna be a whole host of other basketball players added? They had in mind. I hadn't heard about calling about Jonah Hill. Jona on a hill I believe was for one of the other roles maybe though or maybe it was for that role I think he was for Howard originally. Yeah because I think what I what I don't know the lineage entirely tired but I think Adam Sandler passed on it right and then journey hill was up for either before Kohner after yeah and then Sandler finally took on the role past three time time. I think it scared him. Yeah might imagine I really did. Even though we see it as a logical extension of his of his talent that in a way uncut gems is very much like a serious sandler film the same way. punchdrunk love was kind of orbits his whole the thing. I don't know if he really saw himself. Yeah I saw an interview with him and Brad Pitt and he talked about how black he dreaded the more emotional days you know there was like he was hoping it was the last time the schedule on the call sheet. He didn't know if he could bring it right. I think his comfort zone is comedy films. Like this which he makes seem effortless or or not though. I think they're not effortless for him right. It seems but he gave us a nominal. Oh yeah he he absolutely crushed it. All right. I'm going to go to my first puzzle piece which is actually Lee. A trio of movies all from Darren Aronovski start off with requiem for a dream for Just that that constant awesome progression of shit going. From bad to worse you know The wrestler The in this guy who you know you just know. He's not going to stop until it kills him. You know and then mother which just this movie is in one of the things that I love so much about mother which is you know. What am I favor movies? The last decade is just on a technical level. Just it's like you're just kind of in awe watching it and watching how much he was balancing and making that movie. How how many things with the choreography and the sound and the cinematography and everything coming together in a way? It's like how the fuck are they doing wingless. And that's the feeling I get from from uncut gems especially in the sound department but really in every department but the idea that they're able to balance so much happening at once and it's chaos but it's chaos that Is still something you can follow along with in that you you you do. You feel like you really understand what's happening. Despite the fact that everything is just so freaking increasingly crazy and so much happening at once is just a AH magical almost yeah. It's funny a lot of things I've read about. The film is that people find it unwatchable. Yeah for the most part it's become it's been critically they claimed. But then the average audience members berry split a couple people walked out of the screening that I was in. I think some people find it to grading. It's too intense for them and touch on your puzzle. Piece I think Darren Aronovski and the sapphires have something in common. which is that? They're kind of intrigued by these character. After studies. A lot of their films are not large ensemble pieces but they are about one type of person. The person who's spiraling downward or out of control sure and yet the world around them is such a vivid and realized place Mirage. They do that systematically. Through their through their ability to speak cinematic medically through their craft. They really flesh out the world around and make it feel palpable and make it feel real and yet it never strays away from being the one man show. There's one person show right. which kind of brings me to my puzzle piece? You know roll off of yours a little sure. I want to get back to the sound department and then on another another puzzle piece right now. I'm going to slip in on the on the one person Strategy which is going to be the work of Marty Scorsese sure the films in particular raging in Bowl and casino But also the king of comedy raging bull for the obvious reason. I think it's about a self destructive character. It's about a person person. It's about a character study on on one person and there in the flaws their Achilles heel that just destroys them especially. There's a lot you know thing. A A raging bull as a blueprint for a lot of filmmakers that have this kind of very singular vision about a character. Yeah it's it's such a masterfully. Brilliant tragedy then you have casino again for this kind of the energy. I think the softies were compared a lot to scorsese with good time of means streaming service. It things like that so I think he scores his even executive produced uncut gems. Yeah I was surprised when I saw his name. I didn't realize that like ahead of time. Yeah he always has. He has his hands on a lot. aww Does while he's doing stuff he's all new marvel kidding now He He I think he saw there the influence that he had on them through. Good time I and maybe wanted to kind of step in and help them go to a new level which is really cool of him to do but yeah so I see the energy of Scorsese in their work I think the Gritty Nineteen Seventies. New York is also out of Scorsese's playbook now that the Saffi's really want their films to feel like they're not necessarily dated but they are not in twenty nineteen he doesn't have air pods enter anything he uses a cell phone and everything but now it just kind of bleeds into this grain this texture that it makes it feel like it's a very specific moment though what they're capturing their I mean and and it's very very accurate for his quick things are moving You're catching little bits. It's in pieces of things from the technology they use to just the look of the clothes and everything I mean. It's really very specific. Well what's I thought was really interesting. Thing is that they decided to make it in two thousand twelve right. You know the fact that it's a recent period piece would it. Maybe I glance doesn't feel like it is necessary. Yeah but at the same thing having walked away and thought about it I think it's a crucial part of their vision. Yeah because this guy is almost a relic thing. Is You know the Howard care. I mean it's very real. It's very modern and yet I feel like a couple of years ago. The story would have been more realistic than it is. Maybe in two thousand nineteen eighteen. Maybe things are a little too easy communication and knowing where people are every second is a little bit too too much for this kind of story right worm like Howard benefits fits from not having a GPS tracker on all time. Recent period piece was really interesting. And I feel it's kind of a scorsese move kind of a like a like a creative flourish and yet in in hindsight it really helps put the whole puzzle together. Sure and the last thing mention about king of comedy besides it being kind of darkly darkly humorous short is that they cast a serious actor to play a comedian. They've cast Robert Robert Deniro as kind of a crazy lunatic Jerry Lewis this type and now in this they reverse that and they cast a comedian for very serious role. Sure I think I think there are some kind of connection there as well absolutely I will. You're just jump right into my next puzzle piece which goes right along with that. The Wolf of Wall Street Just I mean this movie. It's you know the the excess of of this character like the the you know kind of greed level. I mean the the really the chasing that that The win you. You know the constant need for more winning you know and one of my favorite things in this movie and it's like kind of a small thing about it but is when he's at home I'm like his family is kids like the those Shitty Kiss. I love it and I mean they those kids are. They seem like they're growing up right in his his same footsteps and they've got all the shit they could imagine and I just love that so funny and and those kids are they do such a great job of playing that I know those kids. You know what I mean from from growing up from my camp. I know those kids and I I love that whole thing and they they just get whatever the hell they want. And they're going to. You could imagine going through life just expecting more and more and more winning and winning and winning in excess and access which reminded me of that drive in the wolf of Wall Street. Now I can definitely see that and I think it's it's great mentioning the kids because the daughter modern particular who just feels like she has his number. Yeah like she just knows that he's foolish it. Yeah and that whatever he says it doesn't really matter because you know he's he's not gonna be doing what he said he's he's going to be doing you know and she feels very entitled but at the same time it makes him feel like a real character. I think one of the things. The Zafy's are good at is not making a narrative that is very predictable Which I think a lot of people find a lot of people who aren't ready to kind of take the ride can find superficial mood? And there's a lot of bread crumbs that make these people feel real again. Howard felt very real to me? I think one of the way that they succeeded in doing that is to give that little moment in the kitchen scene where he's trying to complement daughter but it's just so empty. He's trying to talk to her for five seconds so that he you can justify that he's a good dad right right. He's trying to convince themselves. I'm really proud of you just like you've already said that five times wanted to say it again. Just doing it. Because he knows he's a shit. Dad Yeah and she knows that he's a shed dad and they both know there's no nothing no fantasy here. Yeah but he's just saying it so that he can feel better about himself so a moment like that makes him feel like a really well rounded full character and that leaves a lot of the exposition scenes that you find in most movies get him out of the way. You're now that I connect so intensely guy. I don't need to go. And you know. Get his backstory. And why he you know is the way that he is. He's just an absolute. He just is what he is and we feel that I mean even like a Jordan Belfort type character I think scorsese has a more classical approach to his storytelling. Till you get these very big ambitious Shas worlds were will Wall Street. And it's almost like a X.. Rated Forrest Gump really in depth stories. They're they're like they. you kind of have a classical designed them Saffi's have kind of cut through the bullshit and the really quickly amidst all through the energy but but no I can definitely see the connection of greed and money in and just that drives people and interesting store. Absolutely well what do you got your next piece. So I'M GONNA go back to the sound department for a second because I think one of the most important influences winces here is the the work of Robert Altman and a great director and two films in particular the first one being California split which is kind of an unloved gem little wink wink about that terrible pun. UNLOVED GEM from Robert Altman. I'm sorry I love it. It is it's an overlooked gem of his repertoire as they say but it's about a gambling addict and it's about always looking for that next win then it's even though there's some highs there's also some really bad at Lowe's and another from called the player and which is a great film the insider stuff about Hollywood and the reason I bring that up is because as I feel like uncut gems shows us the inside of this network diamond forty seventh street in New York. You know. It's like a whole culture. Del World World these diamond peddlers. I spoke to a gentleman that I know from New York is and he's an older guy and he was like you know if you ever wanted diamond you went down to forty seven three holes both idea if the whole thing and and even sandler went and spent time with those guys so I feel like the way that we kinda got an inside track on Hollywood we also got this inside track of this diamond business from this film shore again. It has the Aaron off Ski Obsession of. We're GONNA follow one guy around or the Jake Lamotta raging bull like this is about one in person but the world is so sketched and so brilliant and then when it comes to sound design Robert Altman famously loved characters speaking over each other. So you have these movies like Nashville and Gosford Park. And all these excellent films that he made McCabe and Mrs Miller one of his most famous strategies is having characters Overlapping Ping had these large ensemble cast. Yeah unlike this after US right they do the opposite but they took a play out of his playbook and I think you mentioned to me that they had sixty pages of eighty are right. Yeah I I listen to this fascinating interview with them. I mean it's just crazy they're saying about how I think it was Scott Rudin. The producer was like like. Are you people serious. Like what do you when they and like entire roles that aren't there like new roles just out of eighty are you know and it's just it's wild. Yeah that's right from Altman. Yeah Altman's technique. He deliberately made his films rated R.. He would he would add a couple of bucks so that kids couldn't go see. He is movies. He just didn't want he didn't WanNa have to pander from a marketing standpoint for kids but he also made stuff that was more adult and one of the it was and they were challenging to the the audience. He deliberately tested you and one of the ways he did that was through his sound design. Yeah and I think this is some value in that for the type of world they wanted to create. I think that they definitely are influenced by California split and they. I'm sure they love Altman and I think that that was something that was conscious in my opinion. Yeah they they brought up in that interview review. I listened to absolutely so yeah. You're one hundred percent on that and and yeah I mean that is such a such a New York thing to you know to screaming originally nonstop talking screaming in the background. Yeah yeah so it gives you a lot of a lot of standard viewers people that just go to the movies for fun they. They don't realize often they're not supposed to. This is not a disparaging to them in any way. They're not supposed to notice but how much film works on. Worked on you subconsciously. Sure works on you abstractly. There's so many things in you know they call it movie. Magic and a lot of big reason of that is that you're able to elicit emotion that of people without really giving them the all the cards without showing them all the ways that you're manipulating them. Yeah manipulation has such a negative connotation but a lot of good art and film in particular which enters you on such an emotional level level not an intellectual level it's manipulative and I think to a positive result if the film done well or has something interesting to say or is important artistically or sheriff integrity. It's a good the thing and I think the tension you feel how. How tense could you feel watching? Adam Sandler quickly walked down a sidewalk all and and his performance definitely lent itself to the the stress factor of the film. But the sound design the visuals. The lighting. All of that stuff is working on you unconsciously consciously to to pucker up your ass as he watched the movie so dialogue I think is one of the morgue regis strokes because you can. You can hear it and it's it's has a kind of a calamity about it right but again you wouldn't really process it as something you know nerve shredding the way that it is sure. It's really a stroke of of craftsmanship. I'm I was pretty impressed with the film. A lot of different reasons but also for young directors their command of the craft. Well that's yeah that's the main thing I mean before I move on my next piece. That's the main thing when I walked out of this movie on Lake. I definitely like this but I mean I'm sitting there comparing it to good time and I'm like how much it it was my most anticipated movie the year. How much like? But as I've been just going back over and over the craft of this thing and like how the hell do they pull all this off. You know like I said earlier with the mother puzzle piece. I mean I get a lot of that kind of vibe of like. How the Hell do you make this happen? You know. Yeah it's it's just wild it's cool. Aw so my next puzzle piece. I'M GONNA go with a this is a I consider it a little on minor. Classic from the Year Two thousand is a movie called Boiler Room this movie. Yeah I remember Boiler Room Fin aflac Geovanni Rebecca von DC. Oh man and yeah I mean. They're they're vin diesel then diesel best role when he's when he showed the promise of being a good actor dreamcast Goddamn boiler But yeah just as a brokerage firm and they're all just going at it so crazy. There's a lot of that you know people just go nuts in the background. All kinds of cross talk happening as they're screwing people out of their money and and and the you get a lot of that just like crazy. adrenaline filled energy in that movie on that Win Win Win Win Win. Energy like again with Like I was saying with Wolf of Wall Wall Street and but then again some of that altman thing of the over you know the overlap and there's just constant stuff happening in that room as they're all trying to make their deals and screw people you know. Yeah I mean now I think about a boiler room is almost like Oliver Stone. Martin Scorsese and Robert Altman had right amazing in baby. Yeah I'd like to watch that if possible. Watch those three go at it could trial but if they were humanly possible biologically possible you. You probably have boiler room now. I'm just thinking about that image to just take a moment of silence to reflect on that people is in your home. He's staring at me as the sweat rolled down my temple. I'm so tempted to go into it. Aside all about vin diesel but I will in the interest of time I will all save it for next time. Yeah absolutely you know what when very quick thing. Chris and I are going to be recording soon in the next week or two a special episode on the the the movies that are not our top ten of the decade but are movies that we think are going to be people are going to continue to talk about twenty thirty forty years from now not not my favorite movies not the best picture winners out the biggest box office. This is the kind of movie I'm talking about from the decade previous. Is You know now the kind of movie it's like it wasn't the biggest thing in the world but everybody is still the not everybody but people who love movies still talk about it. Yeah it's like when you add it's like you went to blockbuster turn you always saw it on the shelf. Yeah it was still released on VHS and he always held that I could see Giovanni BBC standing right now on the cover. Yeah like a green outline online. I can see it in my mind. That's actually interesting. Yeah we're going to bring that up. What kind of movies will stick in our craw? Yeah so long. It's hard to predict it is. It's very very hard. It's so tempting to say the biggest movie or your favorite movie and we're going to. I'm trying to make a very credible list and maybe ten years from now when we're still making podcast. We'll aw we'll we'll come back and we were right. Yeah I don't know absolutely uncut gems might be on there. It's very very possible. So what do you got for your next piece. The man boiler room great piece right mind might stole the show hair so I'm going to bring up a great French filmmaker. We're GONNA Brisson which I've mentioned on the podcast before it. kind of a realist master. Three films from him a pickpocket Amana manuscript and Laurel. And it's just he's he's one of the great social realism directors offers. He used a lot of non actors the way that the softies do a lot of people in uncut gems are actually first time acting and the fact theft they have this kind of plotting simplistic plot and yet. Somehow you don't see they don't see the incoming thing about uncut gems is like the ending ending a so obvious only after you see it right as soon as but when it happens you know I was. I was my mouth agape I was shocked. Yeah and that's a very brisson thing. He made these movies. For instance. A man escaped is just the very simple basic execution of a man escaping from a prison and the title of the movie gives the suspense away. A man escaped a man escaped. And that's the title and you watch a man escape that's it and yet yet. It's riveting punchy. It's not overly complicated. There's not a lot of editing tricks it's paste and simple and straightforward and almost poetic. I think what the softest take from from him is the simplicity of their plots not necessarily their energies brisson much more meditative type filmmaker Acre pickpocket and other kind of crime urban social commentary story his final film about not payback. It was a His final film about you know someone Passing a phony bill and how someone else gets held responsible and how they soon spiral out into violent act because their whole life was taken away from a mistake so these kind of basic simple easy elegant concepts and that that then are just done and executed right. There's no not a lot of showy flashy nece and yet because they're so simple they end up becoming very rim riveting and also inevitability becomes surprising. ising which do amazing just like Rozan he made inevitability somehow surprising and I think that was in my opinion like I'm why watched good time time. I have no idea how it was going to end right. I think there was more of a surprise although he gets arrested in hindsight again there's not it's not that shocking right didn't really throw us a like a curve ball with their narrative right but in yet but we still had no idea how it was gonNA end. I was thirty minutes out until the end of uncut gems and I was like how is this is GonNa end. Yeah what's going to happen and yet what Ha- I don't WanNa ruin it. I know people would usually watch the movie by the time I listen to this podcast. You're ending still juicy enough. I won't just come out right and say it okay but let when I saw that I was shocked the and then five seconds after I was of course. So that's a really amazing trick to pull off is to give us something so simple and so basic and so direct and yet still have it be completely surprising. Yeah and that's yeah so brisson a master of that wholly different energy totally different style. Dial but I think they definitely take a plaid has book in terms of their strip down narratives. They're really inevitable stories. And yet they're total command of surprise. I I like the word inevitable really like goes to what makes it such a great ending you know. How could it have not into that right exactly as soon as I I said I was? Oh my God and the two seconds well yeah Duh. That didn't take away from the wonderful. The element of the you know the ending. I wasn't like disappointed. I mean when I say done I mean like I yeah. I should have figured that out yet. I was still had my hair and my nails in the CBS. Like what is GonNa Happen. A Howard how's it going to get out of them. Yeah and that's just a really impressive thing when when you don't have a lot of narrative tricks when you watch them we'll be like inception you're like yeah. Who the hell knows what's going to happen anyway? You know word. The fifth dream is is the old the young. I don't know if you watch this movie like Howard's just fucking up. Yeah and the ending is so inevitable and yet I was blown away. I was on my guide and see that coming. How could I not have? That's pretty amazing. Track it is in. Brisson was total master of that very cool very cool well for my next puzzle a piece I am going to go with two thousand one space odyssey my man after my own heart. I think there's a certain element commit to this movie of like a kind of Zooming in Zooming back out on a micro macro level You Know Oh you're you're looking at this one story of this this This this jewel dealer and then you're looking at the the guy the basketball player that he sells the jewel too. And how you know. That's this big thing You know the world is watching. Nobody's watching Howard. You know he's just this this one guy causing wheel yeah and then on that bigger level is the world watching this basketball player and then in the beginning and the ends we get the the the the cosmos inside the gym. And so it's like you're you're going all the way out to that but then you also come back in in the in the introduction in Africa Africa to the gym. I being you know mind and so you're getting another area of of what's happening within. This big grander story. You know and so all these different levels of the story of all these people and things that are touched by by the gem basically and so i. I just think that in that way it's like it's you're getting all these different Different bigger and smaller Views of what's happening with this story story. I can I mean yeah. That's a really interesting observation. I hadn't put together. I actually have no coober puzzle pieces on this. Oh Wow so thank you for talk about it for five seconds. Just do this for mercy mercy. Peace mercy talk about. I don't know and I think you have a very compelling argument of why that that is the way that it is or why you think that puzzle pieces appropriate. The thing about two thousand one is that it works predominantly as a metaphor. It has a extremely engaging narrative but it's also very simplistic and very basic. It's essentially a silent film what what works. Best about two thousand one and why it's so iconic is because of its ideas. He is yeah. I think it's because it's also keeps them abstract enough to keep us interested in curious. uh-huh I think that I think in a in a less literal way. I can see how that gem is representative of something bigger. And how kind of connects everything. Yeah it's in a way it's like a macguffin chore. You know it's very much a macguffin very much like the monolith well. If the model of can almost be considered a macguffin assets the action in play yes not only narrative Lee but all of mankind in this instance in two thousand one big move. It's a big big McGovern but none of it's very very interesting and I can definitely see that and I like to me. It's like the the fact that it's a macguffin. Almost has a hearkens back earlier genre of film which is like this treasure. I mean it's almost like I read an interesting article that I'm happy brought this up because I would've forgotten to mention it but I think it was a review of some sort and they were talking about how it's like this movie about Howard in two thousand twelve in the New York. Jewel district is like the same guy. What drove people to look for? Atlantis or head slid drove people to look for Eldorado. Right right it's the same basic impulse that turns men crazy right looking for gold. Yeah and it's like this and again. It's another her way to look at uncut gems as this ultra simplification of even narrative storytelling of film film theory. 'cause obviously these guys were filmed fanatics exa cinema. And I don't know if this is conscious of them. I don't know if they did this on purpose. But they almost hearken back to El Dorado. Not that that was. That was not what an puzzle pieces as a as a movie but it could very easily be one sure and I think it's tapping into what you're talking about with. What two thousand? One taps him with two thousand one. It's about human in potential. That's about where we're GONNA go. What are you know? Stanley always made films. That are contrarian on a lot of ways he was interested in in how our greatest feats greatest accomplishments were also downfall. If the greater we get more inhuman we become brain. How nine thousand is the greatest greatest accomplishment and yet? It's a human computer. Though it's distancing ourselves at the greater we get the less human we become and the only way that we can defeat this Achilles heel would've this paradox is by moving beyond it which that's represented in the star child right we go to the next level of of of human evolution and Dave becomes the baby the next step. Yep and so there's always these kind of human paradoxes and Stanley's films and I can even see that right. Non Cut gems especially if you look at it at this macro level but huge big you want stepping back level and think of it again almost like the treasure of the Sierra Madre early. It's really cool. It's cool puzzle piece. Got Me all nerdy so I don't think I make any more sense. I'll wrap it up but that's interesting. I've another knock knocking them out real quick before we move on You know it just briefly as kind of the first time. I think we've even talked about the basketball element of this. I mean I know. Neither of US are sports. People but Kevin Garnett is freaking great in this as the actor. Yeah so good. I was really impressed. I loved him. I mean that's really cool. A really cool thing. Yeah it was awesome. If they chose the do that. No I didn't know like I I haven't I don't care enough to look into it but I was like I wonder if there was an important game. Twenty twelve. Yeah I think it was okay from from my I understanding of it but then again I dunno shit. Sports Scorsese anything with a ball. No good I think. It's one of his quote Nice. He's a smart guy. Yeah Eh no Marvel no-balls Nice. What are you going next? Oh that wasn't my puzzle piece now. Maybe I'm say hi Jackie. I'm sorry but listening to the call. Shit he mentioned to drop some. There's another underrated film. That has is very sadly under seeing that I'm GonNa Mention movie called Owning Mahoney about a gambling addict and it's a fierce performance by I by Philip Seymour Hoffman. Have you seen the film. Yeah they actually had a screening at a An Addiction Film Festival here in Vegas. Yeah like five six. Here's the one of my music videos that deals with addiction. Played there Yeah that is bizarre. I threw me for a loop I know but But yeah no that's a great the movie. Yeah it's a great and it's made by a great filmmaker got him Richard CA theat- Ni of ski. I have a hard time pronouncing that name. But he made another movie which is one of my all all time. Favorites called love and death on Long Island with John. Hurt and Jason Priestley weird movie so homoerotic absolutely fantastic film and he also made Owning Mahoney me and the both those homes is only made two feature films which is a tragedy should make more or someone should let him make more as it was what I should say? But they're about men that are obsessed. They're not obsession. And I think a lot of that connect connective tissue there with the days. I'm a big person who's inspired by obsession and based characters and one of the reasons why that is is because you can justify almost anything to obsession people will do anything to to satisfy or to scratch that itch or to explore their obsession further so you have a lot of unpredictability built into characters when you drive them through obsession Russian again searching for ways to make things less clear shade less trite looking for ways to make things feel fresher. More original is used by playing you know with the structure. Sure mixing things up a little bit. Keeping US guessing and character driven by obsession is wonderful to do that. Gambling addiction more a more common understood version Asia of obsession. Crystallized version of obsession is how it takes the form and these two movies owning Mahoney and uncut gems. When it's interesting about uncut gems as it's also kind end of a crime film apart Mia Owning Mahoney is a crime film of the sense that he steals money comes a key becomes a thief? Yeah but it's interesting. This character cure all his emotions are beneath the surface. Philip Seymour. Hoffman's it's all underneath that Pale pig ish exterior that he had to where the uncut gems right on a sleeve. See the desperation and Adams is so. That's kind of a different approach to the addiction. Once keeping it together until it's too late and then one's never together either you know but I think the same obsession drives them short at bird's eye view into the idea of gambling addiction. Sure I wanted to mention it because the people should seek it out and watch it love and death on Long Island and also owning Mahoney to fantastic underrated unforeseen films right. Yeah I've never. I've never seen love and death on Long Island. It's it's a jam. Yeah an uncut jam our seriously. It's such a great movie as it's about an English novelist who happens to walk into the wrong movie theater and see a bad teen comedy like in the vein of Porky's and Jason Priestley is playing a Shitty b-list actor at not dissimilar to Jason Priestley. And he like in the novelist who's been married. His wife is now dead just falls in love with him. In his always latent homosexual feelings that you never really knew or confronted and he then goes to Long Island. He travels apples. They're and then like befriends him and like secretly kind of like becomes obsessed with him and then confesses love to him. Jason preseason WHOA. I'm just some actor you're crazy old British this guy. Yeah it's one of John Hurts most beautiful performances. It's a great movie and you had terribly understand. Sounds great man All right I'M GONNA go with another gambling movie And it's one I haven't seen in a long time and I'm sure there's much better gambling movies. That could be used as puzzle pieces but I thought of rounders. Oh yeah yeah which is Just you know just an extreme. You know addiction to gambling kind of a movie. Don't really have that much more more to say to. It's just I was thinking about. What are some great gambling movies of the last twenty thirty years? And that one's always stood out to me is just the you know just that The patheticness like just being just stuck in that cycle and just no way to get Out Yeah it's funny I mean round is actually pretty good little movie. Yeah I haven't seen in a while but I like that film and what's interesting about addiction. Is that when you're not in the addiction. They all seem so frivolous right. You know like not not to speak ill of the dead. But kind of bringing back to Philip Seymour Hoffman. Is like he died like the two thousand late two thousands early twenty teens or whatever from heroin addiction and I was like how Glam Bush was nineteen. Seventy cats out of the bag on heroin infill. Good drug you know what I mean like. What are we doing? Yeah now of course. That's a glib silly. Truly feel that way and I felt terrible for him and his his family that lost him. But it's like we know what all these you know to me. It's easy to not try. Heroin really bump into Lotta heroin. Kinda my my thing right only recently that I find out that cocaine is such a recreational drug for people like on Thursday night going to Tgi. Fridays right get into the booger sugar. I thought you had to be scarface that you had murder Colombians. You just turned thirty right. Just turn around thirty when I found that out too I had no idea I I was out with friends. And like Chili's cocaine what. I had the same awakening. What's what are you party or drugged you? Thank God you wearing a wire gone onto someone after I had no oh idea that it was so recreational but again it's another aside but yeah I mean I don't really Bumba heroin too often. So yeah when I think I mean you and I live in Las Vegas. Yeah the gambling addiction capital capital of the world. Now where they want you. They let you cashier paychecks at the Casino. Yeah which is perfect so that you can go and spend it and gamble it all away away and I've never been tempted. I've played maybe played the slot. Machines like twice in my entire life. I don't think I've ever done a card game. Yeah so yeah I. It's for us. I think it's easy easy to look at this and see how silly it is but any like any illness all kidding aside any illness it'd be defies logic. Sure it goes so far beyond impracticality so far beyond being being logical and I it just becomes this very strange thing which is another reason why. I think it's prime to make movies about sure. It's I don't think a film like uncut gems or even rounders rounders little bit much more software mainstream version of it. But I don't think that they really glamorize samurais addiction uncut gems is is a is challenging. And it's it makes you kind of pity these people. I don't know if empathy I don't know if you have empathy for Howard kind of going back to what we talked about. Because of Adam Sandler's performance who he is. We have an empathy. But there's also just a pity. Yeah there's definitely pity I mean he's just so damn charismatic matic though and that's the reason why maybe you do a little bit. You know have empathy for him but it's Yeah it's it's that character though. I mean Jesus now shitty interesting now all right what do you got for your next piece. So I'M GONNA go with a a really excellent film called naked filmed by Mike Lee. Now I know that these guys are very influenced by a Mike Lee. He Michael was kind of a giant of the social realism movement. You know life is tweet another another great film of His. There's a hand. He made a lot of great movies. About these average British Americans average. You cares in the kind of the the political and economical plight that they're in butt naked in particular kind of the rougher rougher edgier slime ball side out of it and not about not about a wonderful person so again. It's kind of a character study but the world is so fleshed out kind of it's part of that social realism British sub sub Jan Rutta Merit. And it's just it's just really tough Really hard film about hard people living a hard life kind of foul and disgusting and a lot of ways and I think that the sapphires have this courage to be gross and be intense and to be ugly in good time a shot on film and they pushed that a stop so that it was it was especially grainy. Yeah so for those of you who aren't familiar. Basically each type of film is rated for certain level certain light and there's it's called called speed so you could have eight hundred speed or whatever it is and each numbers is kind of designed to be within a certain light that you can either provide or find. Yeah then you can also shoot beyond that speed so that the grain of the film becomes exaggerated. So they were they were purposefully making me look. Make me look like this kind of realistic gritty. Down in your your face type movie or down in your face a phrase down in your face. I don't know it is. It is now down in your face and Yeah so anyway naked And there's a great firm called meantime as well by Mike Lee that I know that the Saffi's are fond of but anything naked in particular has the closest connection. Not only through its approach and it's kind of social commentary elementary it's realism but also just in the kind of the underbelly side all right. Yeah I've never I've never seen naked I'm a big Mike. Mike Lee Fan. Yeah huge Mike Lee Fan. I was really excited to see that. They liked him and that I thought Oh yeah naked for sure. Well that's a good place to jump into another puzzle piece. I had we been talking about good time a bunch throughout the conversation but also they're they're film before it heaven knows what yeah I think both of their previous films. I think this definitely It definitely is a progression for them within the same kind of themes and same kind of Same kind of film progression that they've been working in before of just the things just continually spiraling out of control and and things getting you know crazier and crazier and worse and worse on screen for the characters and Very very kind of uneasy movies. You know movies is that Are Very much interested in taking on a ride that you may be. Don't WanNa be a part of you know but but kind of forcing you into them and so I think their own work is definitely something that they're trying to one up necessarily but they're definitely trying to continue continue in the trend of what they've been doing in the past so I think they're on their own work absolutely is inspirational to what they're doing here with this one. Yeah without at a doubt I mean like I said my my biggest worry because I liked heaven knows what and I really loved. Good time the only thing I was a little fray afraid afraid about with uncut gems is that they were going to start repeating themselves right and in a way that they did. They did do that a little bit. Because they're stylists thing. They're not naturalistic directors. Compared to someone like Sidney Lumet who disappeared into all of his films. You never knew it was the Sidney lumet film and TCI's size name on the credits. He worked in so many different styles to accommodate the story. And not every filmmaker. There's more silence than there are naturalists and the salaries are definitely definitely within a style. Now they're they are very good at it and they have a very unique and singular style which gives them a leg up they. They're so them that's helpful. But I would. I was pleasantly surprised about is that That uncut gems was an expansion of the world that I think good time really brought into the universe yeah. The story was more more sophisticated. I thought good time I might like good time better. I don't know time will tell good time. Maybe just because it was so fresh to me I was like wow. This is something something new. That's a great feeling that I cherish uncut gems did feel a lot like good time so I didn't have that. Oh my God. No I just discovered covered Eureka moment or anything right but good time has this ag- I use this word inevitability about it good time is has a weird inevitability about it right. It's just a guy trying to get bail money any way that he can just leads him from one thing to the next the next character actor he meets leads him to the next road that he takes and has a spontaneous quality to it but it also feels kind of heightened and designed and it's very straightforward. Where where I think getting I think uncut gems added another dimension to that I think Adding the read an article about how it's one of the most Jewish films in recent isn't memory wisely and did the family gathering scene. Where you get to meet some of his family and then you find out the guy he was money to is like a peripheral part of his family? Yeah which adds to the element of surprise at the end. Because you don't really know the relationship between him. And the person he owes money to these gangsters kind of roughing him up. We don't know how all that inner works on the Inter- interconnection the work. So so yeah I think there's actually just another layer of storytelling sophistication in uncut gems. That I didn't see she in good time. Not that it was worse than the other is different. Sure so I was very excited. That uncut gems wasn't just good time again. Yeah it has definitely. They're kissing cousins. There's less similarities right. And that's the thing. Yeah and even heaven knows I mean. It's it's they're definitely you could tell that this is You know these are filmmakers. That are working in a certain kind of world you know and they think what they really bleed is sincerity. Yeah yeah one one of the things that I always criticize someone like Wes Anderson. Ford is is an example. As I'm just bored because he's he's a great craftsmen and extremely creative and very very talented but as movies are just kind of boring to me now because I know what to expect and I feel like there's a wooden quality about them I think he's lost some of his passion or lost some of his sincerity. It's almost now more style than substance to thrown. I knew the hope that this doesn't happen to them. But there are films are so dripping with passion dripping with sincerity and they really are trying signed to say something and excavate an idea just because their style is slightly repetitious. It really feels like that's their. That's the way that they feel is their your best instrument. That's the best way to tell a story they really believe in. That's why when people say What Superhero movie are they going to end up doing? Just like who says that people. I don't. I'm not in the chat room. Yeah you art thing you should never join any kind of twitter. Any of that's thank. You don't read that's just driving me crazy hopefully never yes. That's the thing is that's what I think. Success is now being defined as in this industry is like you find these these Indie ekke-niels zindi savant. And then you pluck them for ant man eleven and it's like you know so sad kennedy. Just keep making great. I'd love an ant man. Eleven just not by this. After Uber they separate good only the wrong one. Twelve there you go. Yeah but that's happening a lot Disney plucks sweeter the music video directors pirates of the Caribbean or some like what so. Yeah so hopefully this after his I want them to continue to grow. I hope that they continue to surprise me. That's kind of arrogant ridiculous elitist thing to say. It's not all about me but just as an audience member I hope to keep them ready. I love movies man. I love them right now. I WANNA keep loving them and the way that I would end up becoming board. Is that if they just bleed that that style horse to dry sure. Well what are your next next puzzle piece due to movies right now. They're they're unrelated except for that they're part of the neo noir genre. Okay now. Let's talk about near Nawar. You are for two quick seconds. It's just kind of characterized by call backs to try. New are like Forties Thirties forties fifties war crime stories. Usually through the cemetery talk freely camera angles. How light is used either through shadow? Play and things like that the framing and then really the biggest thing is like the the themes of revenge and paranoia and also the kind of the blurring of lines between good and bad news or these are all characteristics of Nawar that have been been kind of reframed through near Nawar which has more modern nineteen seventy is an APP type crime stories so the films I WanNa mention are the friends of Eddie coyle which is a great movie and also straight time from a director called Hulu grab a bar and I was a film kind of an under appreciated under loved film film. But Dustin Hoffman the friends of Eddie coyle and straight time or both these gritty seventies near Nawar crime stories that have this energy to them and they just kind of have an atmosphere that feels like the Safti. This kind of had this great seventies Scorsese as you think going they definitely appreciate the gems of like the seventies crime film. Yeah and how that was definitely an extension of the near Nuwara sub-genre and I think the friends of Eddie coyle and straight time. Our our big our big in that. They're just very influential films. But they're also like little nuggets. Then that a Lotta people see and it's a shame. I think that there is the Saffi's kind of you know. They have great taste and they really are pursue cinema. And so I think they definitely probably they saw these these films. Yeah definitely probably definitely probably saw these definitely probably I think you're probably definitely right but Yes got straight time in the friends of Eddie coyle. Because they're both greats kind of off the wall. A little bit more edgy independent quite independent but lower budgeted crime films traumatic era awesome. Well I only got one more puzzle piece so for my last one There's a certain kind of movie Fan who who is going to go into. This has no idea what the SAFDIE brothers are. Good time or any of these movies especially the ones you're bringing up. You know that you know and and maybe just see. Oh It's an Adam Sandler movie and a you know they they get you know. Have that level of expertise whatever and are going to go into it and maybe describe it to their friends as like an Adam Sandler crank movie thought they just just the very silly balls to the wall nonstop just crazy ass movie just nonstop unstop adrenaline from beginning to end. Of course the the one thing that a lot of people take away from this movie is just how anxiety ridden it is and you know you really really do feel a little bit sick. By the time it's over you know and I I certainly felt that one hundred percent. My stomach hurt for hours after this movie. It's true Bruce Series anxiety by the end of this thing you know and while as crank is does not give you those kinds of feelings it certainly. It certainly has that kind of level of of nonstop craziness that you would think is the way that someone might describe that if they haven't seen these these kinds of other movies you know what I mean right. Well this is the one where his heart's GonNa explode unless he fights people something along those lines. I mean there's a crank to there as a crane to yeah I crank was so successful. Yes it is tells you what the what the marketplace knee but yeah no no we. Of course I didn't they. Journalism is a huge part of their their thing. Yes they they've really made. That like their pallet is is the intensity of their films and actually have a couple more puzzle pieces that kind of go along with Azure. Because I have a couple I have a lot more puzzle pieces all condense them. They wanted US focus on energy right now to go off cranked. Go off energy of crank. Yes that's a good launching pad so the first one is the work of gas. Pardon me I'm going to say irreversible and enter the void sure now. Irreversible is one of the most challenging stress. Inducing MM films I've ever seen in my life I actually thought of reversible when I was first making my pieces listening did not include I just forgot to include it. It was on my mind. Yeah Yeah for sure. Yeah I think the energy and the intensity and nausea that the I mean. No he is that that's his thing he has really. I think he's a fearless director. I used to think I used to kind of like not like him too much. I think he was Kinda trying to once. Yeah let's Kinda has has this Lord's prayer element to him. which is I feel like the more you want Medicare the less I care and Lars chairs? It'll hit and miss for me but I think I've really they come to appreciate nowy. Allot I've really come around. I think that he is an artist. Yeah and he experiments and the not not all experiments work of course but he's a laboratory. Filmmaker tries things but I really have ended up appreciating all of his films. Irreversible has always stuck with me. I think it's a great film and by Great. I mean it succeeds where it wants to succeed right right. It's very hard to call it. Great in the traditional sense because so savage but it really is a powerful film. And I'd say enter the void only because I think safety's have this kind of modern neon oversaturated D- vibe uncut gems less so than good time time is so saturated and Lee neon colors and things plus a scores that they eighties. Yeah big new wage ELECTRONICA. John Carpenter even mentioned John Carpenter forgot that on the list but the music of John Carpenter. Yeah very influential kind of started with then it follows follows came out and had that score. Oh this is so carpenter by going but yeah I think enter. The void is very abstract. Act It's about a drug dealer that then becomes a ghost. I guess that's the easiest. Not The easiest movie to summarize Barry Way so yeah. There's there's definitely a no eve vibe to their the re the greatness the rawness the intensity and also this kind of like modern neon drenched overly Saturated Grainy High Grain Imagery Chore. So so. That's big into that. The other talk about in terms of intensity. This was technically my last puzzle piece but then I wanNA bump it up is breaking bad. Okay the reason why I'm going to bring being a breaking bad. It just super briefly is because the early the middle sections of that show like seasons three and four are a masterpiece of intense crime storytelling plot it's not the most sophisticated show in the world. Have my gripes about the end of breaking bad or the great show overall overall. I have my issues with it but those Middle Seasons are the most TOT television. I've ever seen I mean to sweat down the back of my ass intense. Everybody loves it so damn much. Yeah I mean like I said if you really look at it closely. I think it falls apart under intense. Scrutiny I mean it's no it's no sopranos it's not nearly the after the intelligence collect sopranos but it has very good where what it does. It does extremely well. It's basically plot. It's like a high octane. Quentin Tarantino movie for five years and it's fairly simplistic but those middle seasons are superb in terms of their craftsmanship and their execution and they are extremely intense ends. I think that that's I think the the reason why I wanNA bring a breaking bad. I don't know if the Saffi's watched it or personally influenced by it but I think it it gave us as a public an appetite for the Saffi's films and that's that's interesting. I think it conditioned us to need the adrenaline and cut to black. When Walt does something crazy you know it's two in the morning and you have to be up at work at seven? I'll do one more episode right. There was an appetite. I think breaking bad started and I think he's in there more art house indie movie way are filling combat void left by a show that was so competently done in terms of its intensity. That's really interesting. I like that a lot. Yeah because definitely it it. It captured everybody in a way. It's just like Oh my God what's going to so yeah. I like that a lot. Thank you now. I think you're out right now. So you're you're out. We're going to mention a few quick films and just talk super briefly about them. I think it'd be a tragedy if I didn't mention the work of John. Cavities okay okay. There's an excellent filmmaker and John Cavities. Who was also an actor? You do a lot of movies as an actor. Like Rosemary's baby. He's the husband guy to help. Finance his films. Film film in particular is the killing of a Chinese bookie. This is an excellent film. I- one of my all time favorite John Castle various films. It is essentially our crime. It is art house crime film. It was kind of the first kind John. Cavities was a pioneer in a lot of ways he invented American independent cinema. The film called shadows which then went and turned into into French new wave cinemas. John Goddard wouldn't be a genre guided without a John Cavities. No I look at the killing of a Chinese bookie grittiness the art crime element. I think that get more than influenced by him. Another film to mention a starring John cassavetes but not directed by him as movie called. Mikey and Nicky and this is again a character piece of an intense film. An art crime film directed by Elaine May the great underappreciated female director Elaine May. She's an absolute genius and then the last two movies I want to talk about. The super briefly is an Italian film. Called the moment of truth and this is a film on Italian film from nineteen sixty five about a bullfighter bullfighter and it basically has a documentary. Realism that I think that was deeply influenced this after he's approach. I think they mentioned this on that interview. View is listening to boom. So the moment of truth. It's on about a bullfighter it's A. It's a great movie it's Emmy I can again. It's an obscure film to a certain extent but it drips out of them out of them. There's a documentary realism. That I think has permeated all of their work and the final thing I'll say is kind of a weird thing. It's called the American friend a great movie by the vendors which is a adaptation of Ripley's game actually But it's to me. It's about the characters and their drive you've and their intentions and their idea their ideas propelling an unconventional plot Yeah these these movies. They're unconventional and a lot of ways. I think again getting kind of touching on what I mentioned about when you instill character with obsession. As they're driving force. You can add a lot of surprise and unpredictability and these guys. The what they're proven to me in three movies I've seen of theirs is that they walked balance of inevitability and yet totally surprising completely. Unexpected acted I mean and to say district eight have unexpected inevitability is a real trick and that's where like these guys are not flash in the PAN. They are very talented. They are methodical article. Even though they're films feel like haphazard and crazy and madness and that was one of the things about filmmaker like Renner Verner Foss Bender Great German director. He would make movies in eleven days. He he made over forty two films and died at thirty eight totally insane guy but he was a stylist and their vision. And these guys have that same energy in that same vision in that same drive so pretty floored by them. So those are all my puzzle pieces. I rushed through the we. We got a lot here. Let's do finish puzzle and we'll get to any closing thoughts Finished puzzle got a lot of movies. We've got punchdrunk. Love hard eight requiem for a dream. The wrestler Mother Raging Bull Casino. The King of comedy. The Wolf of Wall Street California split the player Boiler Room pickpocket. A man escaped large into into my saying that right wrong. Two Thousand One Space Odyssey Owning Mahoney love and death on Long Island rounders naked the SAFTEY zone uncut gems safety's own Good Time and heaven knows what the Friends of Eddie coyle straight time crank irreversible enter the void breaking bad killing of a Chinese bookie Mikey and nicky the moment of truth and the American brand brand damn man big list of puzzle pieces but you said earlier These are cinema fans these guys. I mean they really do really do seem to care about this stuff quite a lot and I think that they are going to be doing a lot of really exciting stuff years to come. Well the term me again uh not to sound like on my high horse my soapbox but this is something that plagues me that I worry about as a filmmaker. I'm a big film buff. I love movies. They're all I think about. I want to make sure that I'm putting out a genuine authentic film of my own. That doesn't just give you a tour of my movie collection right. That's the thing is a lot of thing that irritates me about great people. Oh I think great very talented that I think they can overcome their their influences and they wear them too much on their sleeve. And the Saffi's while I think I'm a fairly trained. I can see some of these influences but they never dominate right. Their vision is sincere. And that's what makes me most excited about them is yeah I could look at that. Good time ago. Yeah mean streets in this kind of glib superficial way right. It's its own thing at a good time. is its own movie cut gems. Also its own film so as much as I I. It came with a laundry list of movies but never once that I feel they overwhelmed their own personal vision and their sincerity. And that's what keeps me most excited about their next movie they also You know my my last thought is that they give these actors so much to work with Adam Sandler I mean just breaking phenomenal performance character. Are you know so much. Exciting stuff to do Julia Fox is amazing. Oh my God so good. Yeah everybody is I say say Kevin Garnett Adina Menzel. Everybody in Sudan good but then you could say that about good time you could say that about heaven knows what I mean. I mean they're really giving these actors such great stuff to work with to to make some really exciting performances. And that's part of why I absolutely am on board Lord for whatever they do next thing is so many directors filmmakers they really undervalue actors. They view them as as the as the obstacle or the the enemy. And that's a bad attitude. I feel like the Saffi's while having a strong style are very much actors directors. I mean they have the last two great performances. I mean Robert. Pattinson was transformative area in that role as Connie right. Wow I mean that was to me that that was a deniro of our generation type performance is insane as much as I love Adam Sandler and miss and I think he was brilliant. That performance is Connie is even more compelling and to me in the eyes of rubber patents and blew me away. Yeah so yeah. They are actors directors without without a doubt in my mind and is super briefly. I'm reading a book right now. called Stanley Kubrick director chocking. I'm reading a book and the Ritz worth mentioning. A big misconception about him is that he was such an exacting perfectionist actionist that everything was planned when he got set. And that's the thing is that's not true at all. Stanley had no idea what he was going to shoot when he got there and he owned the one of the reasons why he made people do so many takes because he was solving the problem of the movie visually based on the performance. He said you know he said. Don't give me fifty percent on your rehearsal. Do it how you're going to do it. And Yeah and he'd see how they were going to do it. And then he designed the movie around. The performance was very big into this thing called the moment every moment every scene every of every of every film had to have a moment which was like. Why is the audience watching this particular piece? Yeah and that came mainly from the actor's performance and yes that is a technique that brings a lot out of the actor. You have to do one hundred and ten percent one hundred and thirty takes. That's brutal. Sure but ah his films Stanford Test Time or magic. So I think is like appreciate your actor and I just thought it was an interesting tidbit. Also for young aspiring filmmakers out there like oh I have to have everything figured out right. Find your technique and find your way of doing it and look the sapphires. Give me a lot of hope as an independent film director getting ready to make my first feature her film at a high level. It's exciting and I hope that there's people that want to see these films and companies that appreciate these voices at that they could exist well. This is Eight twenty four whereas biggest hit to date. I believe as far as box office concerns. That's pretty exciting. I mean of course. He's got a big name. Draw but still has netflix involved right. Yeah I think the international releases is being handled by them or something like that because they adam because he's like locked in tight. Yeah Affleck Yeah. He's they banned hatch. Yeah well L.. Talking Netflix work their way into this conversation. I'm going to make one last horrible joke. Okay but added this film. I have to say a the atom was cut Jim. That's a deep Jewish joke right there I like it. I see where you're going Jim. I'm not going to explain it but okay you know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying. I like it did you just call it that or did you have that literally. No no no I wrote that outcome any moons ago when I first saw the trailer trailer bureau feels like Oh. I'M GONNA make circumcise joke one day so fast soon as I can. Well Chris did. Did you see any other movies recently. You'd like to recommend yeah. I actually saw dark waters which wasn't like a masterpiece but it was good. I wanted to see it so bad. I just couldn't find find time I still try to see that it was it was very good. I'm interested in those kinds of films like even though they suffer his films. I'm so interested in the real life story that I tend to forgive it a bit. Did you go home. Throw at your nonstick pans. Yes I sold all of my shares in that company in that. What was it a dupont out? Oh you're gonNA laugh at this. I just pulled up my list of movies that I've seen in theaters and I guess I must have been drunk or tired or something. Because instead of writing Uncut Gems Adam Sandler honey boy was actually surprisingly good. Very good very interesting. I I was born away by a Ford v Ferrari. I was not expecting to be blown away. I think one of the re I think the thing for me is it was a trait boring script but at a great performances and and word they needed a knocked. My socks off was the racing sequences and they did. Yeah the racing scenes. I think were cinematic. And that's the beauty of movies is like that you can't do anything you can't can't do that with any other art form and made it to me. That was like a movie movie. It is a movie movie what it is great to see in theaters. Yeah Well Kris Bryant. Tell people where they can find. Find your work so you can go to Chris Krenek DOT COM. And you can see all the stuff that I've made read stuff about my upcoming film. Madame x you can also also go to madame x movie Dot Com and get updates and see our amazing cast and crew We're still finding cast right now and trying to put this bad boy together and then yeah I'm just on the social media under under my name of course and you can see all my posts rants about movies that I'm seeing and watching and all that kind of good stuff I'm still watching the BBC list from this decade. So you guys can follow follow along with that and so hopefully just keep an eye out and hopefully have a movie coming your way pretty soon. Thanks as always for being here math. Thank you for having me. I always appreciate it. Uh Hey I'm Josh Bell. I'm Jason Harris. Hey Josh we're friends in real life but we're also co host on this new new. podcast called awesome movie year where we take a look back at an awesome year for movies and do a deep dive looking at movies including the best picture winner. The biggest movie at the box office future cult classics and more including the biggest flop. And this season we're doing one thousand nine hundred ninety four you can find wherever you get your podcast that could be apple. PODCAST stitcher pitcher or spotify. We're all over the web as well as an awesome movie. You're on all the socials and awesome movie year DOT COM. So please like subscribe and if you do like five five star rating because we love you all right so hope you enjoyed that conversation about uncut gems. Thank you Chris. Crack for being here as always always love having Chris on the show And that was just a Ad for awesome movie year which by the way comes back with its season three on the films of nineteen eighty nine this week so make sure to check that out also coming up next week is the premiere of a new podcast that I am producing called auto race. No beans right here on the all points West podcast network and Really excited about that. One is It's a podcast odd. Cast about restaurants and restaurant owners. Stephanie Boras the General Manager of Lindow Michoacan a Mexican restaurant here in Las Vegas. We'll be interviewing her father about his story and his experiences building the Lindo Mitch McConnell name from the ground up while also talking to other restaurant owner owner is about their experiences. And how all of these experiences come together and tips and stuff like that for people getting into the restaurant business. It's a really interesting show and totally different from anything I've done before but I think it's going to be great. I think a lot of people are really going to love it. You can check out all race. No beans anywhere. You listen to this podcast or awesome movie or for that matter and I'm again just really excited about it. Getting out there. I do hope you'll check it out. it's coming out on January six. Is this coming Monday. So make sure to check out all race no means and we will of course be back with plenty more piecing it together next week as well we We've got an episode on the top ten movies of the decade and then we also have regular episodes coming up to and more special episodes and Dan just lots of other stuff for us to cover so lots more piecing together coming your way if you do enjoy piecing it together. We really hope you're subscribed wherever it is you. Listen then and you can also rate and review us on Apple podcasts. And on Pod chaser you could also follow us on social media at Piecing pod. Join the FACEBOOK group popcorn and puzzle pieces. And if you'd ever like to be on an episode appeasing it together get in touch with me. I'm always looking for new co host for the show so with that said I think we can close. Was this episode out with a piece of music. We always do. And I think for a movie like uncut gems was such a frantic pace as Adam Sandler is racing around the city knowing the shit. He's doing getting into everything We should play a nice fast upbeat frantic kind of track and I don't know if ever played played this one before on the show so perfect time to play it as a track called whirlwind from my first album echoes in the dark so enjoy whirlwind. Carol wind and we'll be back more piecing it together coming out real soon and UH and Yeah

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Embrace Your Sloppy (w/ Michelle Buteau)

Why Won't You Date Me?

1:04:16 hr | 4 months ago

Embrace Your Sloppy (w/ Michelle Buteau)

"This is a head gum podcast. Why another episode date me? Podcast McColl buyer tries to figure out how I'm still single. Even though you could slapped my butt and kicked me down the stairs run down the stairs. Pick me up slapped me in the face and SPIT IN MY MOUTH. Either getting worse in my guest today. Oh boy. What a fuck intrigued. She's got a special coming out in our special coming out on net flicks. She did the Netflix fifteen. I believe it's called the stand ups. You better believe that. She was on Aquafina from Queens seven episodes of blessed the hearts she stars on the first wives club on. Bt She was also an always be my maybe an hard everyone loves. She was in someone. Great you better. She was an isn't it romantic and was on Russian doll she. She did a pilot choices that never aired our shell. That was amazing. I was like are you my seth. The accountant online guessing autumn's Nasim unit footage. Get them filed. So you could get yo money a don't come from me. I'll find extension girl. I got nothing to do everything to do. Had I go will you? You HAVE TWO BEAUTIFUL BABIES. My about you will you too. I mean it depends on what you're talking about. I could have been talking about before. I don't think I've ever seen them raw naked. 'cause I'm I'm I'm not like naked. I guess I'm making family. Yes and I'm very comfortable changing in front of people and I feel like I changed in front of you and your I'm ago let me are. I don't think we've changed in front of each other. Maybe Montreal and we put being Su Tom. I feel like I had steak tar wasters. Yes like motorboat it like a friend hinting cheese in your room did not talk about Mapa. Say by stick in a stage where I was like. I will give you your privacy now. -tunities out I'll show anyone nipple I'm mean areola brings everybody together it truly does. I posted an instagram video of pole dancing. Because I've been just really trying to work on stuff and get better during quarantine and I climbed Beasley to the top of the pole slid midway down and there was like thing I can drop into his split from here so I dropped into a split but my bathing suit. Bottoms got caught on the pole. When I looked at the video I was like. Oh you can fully see my pussy video. I've got time. That is the video of that stripper that just like fell six feet of her face a Wendy Williams with her her jaw wired still talking being. Sassy with nails. I'm like how she got make money. She got get the hundred dollar a guest. I mean I was like when I was watching her from my couch. Parabolas you know with my kitchen in the back of my head just living mature with of. I've felt like making it rain like this in solidarity. We should all make it rain. Yes I support. This journey of sexy ass gymnastics. You are a pioneer. You ever seen pioneer woman on Food Network. No Pioneer woman but with your booty. And you know you got recipes on try but I don't have time and I'm scared. Do you need health insurance? The climate all I don't think you need it but I do think it is recommended. I have fallen off the Paul not that high though I was like two feet off the ground. But that's like that's like proper stabs. Yeah it was like falling down three three steps. Three generous is stairs. Have you ever felt steps? Oh all the time I want. I'm very drunk at a gentleman's home and fell down. A full flight of stairs either passed out and fell or fell down and passed out but either way the bottom staircase. Your friend was sound asleep. That's that was pretty much. You're intron I love. That came like full circle. I the worst is like okay. Having a drunk mishap is one thing but having it in someone else's house is just next level embarrassment yours my Jamaica mom would say embarrass and embarrass Madonna. Imamura's me take it tacky. Not cocky everyone. Relax. I mean the guy throw vomit lake like a full moon. Wonderful moons come out once a year Sure I don't like wants to end. Use the one time. It was like in someone else's house and it was not good because I don't like to vomit in a toilet that feels like a crackhead no No distal crackheads vomiting going to sink or bathtub. Ooh Michelle Your Disgusting Monster. How devastating would be upsetting room. And be like you know what to Wash your hands for twenty seconds. Michelle puked Emma Buckle. It'd be so upset on in a while. I mean luck she is you you she is. She's got a mortgage. She's got freckles. He cannot change. She is stuck in her way. I'd fucking love it. I also don't puke very often. The last time I threw up was after a flight I was flying back from New York. This is two summers ago and I drank so the flight attendant said. Do you want some champagne? They open up front because I was an economy. Plus don't pay on no bad bitch and I said sure because I made friends of the and so they went up front. Got Me some champagne and they kept pouring it and I was like. Oh my God I think a sip was taken out of this bottle. But I'M NOT GONNA say no ordered Double Vodkas on the rocks and I had like four of those or five of those and then we landed and I was like I need to get off this plane. I don't feel okay and I was like what if I scream because we were stuck on the tarmac and thank God I didn't scream. Take me right to jail. Then I get a might uber and I fall asleep. The lady was like are you okay and other around and then I got home at my dogs. I said I cannot walk you. I'm I've told the story on the podcast before I don't know but anyway I laid down woke up and was like Oh and then I threw up so hard I burst a blood vessel. My on. That happens when I grow up. I cry because it just feels very unnatural. It doesn't I'm sad. It is a release like obviously. I don't WanNa be feeling gross in sick the next day but getting on a plane is the worst. Because you think is GonNa be fun while it's happening but then you kind of like have nowhere to go. Yes getting drunk on a plane. Almost like quarantine. You're in your house at the wrong. And then you're like cool I'm going to look at the same mucking furniture and scroll through the same shit on fucking net flicks. How Man in quarantine? I've been like a proper tipsy. I think one night I got like wasted announced zoom show like for laugh aid. Imagine showed up. Like high. Antipathy nells life. This is what you get your an hour behind. I planned my edible out to put Kim and Clinton kitchen high. That's how you should clean it kitchen in the woman high and now all our laying and they're like dungle over. Your time is five minutes. I was like I'm GonNa give you three minutes forty seconds and it's GonNa be so good. Hopefully who knows what happened? I didn't ask I just leave. Raise money we care who knows who cares. The people got their money. They happy about it when people judge you for having a drink or two before stay When we used to go on sieges unlike who hurts you like I also have wire hangers bitch like. Why do we have all these hangers from the dry cleaner? Yes alone it says I love New York on the paypal. You moved into a new. Did you move? You moved before quarantine. Yeah I did so much before right. I'm move the end of September to a little island north of the Bronx called City Island. And they call it like The tuchus some shit of the Bronx cause a little over with other people live on the island. It's very nautical bla-bla-bla. Whatever I felt isolated as fuck when I first moved here. I was like God. Where's the Carribean Food in the mixed prints in the black love like Miss Brooklyn? But now now now that. I don't have to touch that fucking hotbed of a fucking doorknob at the Bodega that. Like eleven hundred people have touched like in three hours. It feels good. It feels good. You know I feel I really feel for all my friends who have apartments and stuff and no space because man sunshine is is fucking hailing as fuck in vitamin D just won't do I love the sunshine L. A. I also take a vitamin D supplement. Because you know I just need sunshine. Last time I hung out with you. We had dinner at your place. I got to see the baby's good Lord not your is actual living breathing babies and we did these droplets of weed oil and we did like a full droplet full of it and I wasn't feeling it and then I was like I think Perry. Hi and then you looked at me. And you're like this shit's working high. Your husband was like I don't feel it and then turned up the TV and started to talk over the TV. And I was like you know as well. He always says I'm a little high. He's like a drunk person who like never wants to admit that I'm like this is will be bloodshot. He'll be like doing a. Do He makes a lot of bread. Now go make a bread. I'm like it's eight. Pm He's like like but Yeah man you got to. I feel like you just you just have to. I mean not alive. I mean it's like sort of like microdosing. I suppose which isn't really how you get through. Parenthood Fair speaking of parenthood. Is it hard? Let's say dumb question? It's definitely hard you've got to get this levels to it. Man Does levels and I didn't even know because my mom. I understand why my mom is like a balding introvert. Now because it matter and energy you like expend But with twins it's like they're definitely their own person. But you also have to maintain your own self dignity on weirdness as well so it's like you know it's like you're an actress in a comedian right but that isn't the only thing you are so you're Mambas of the only thing so it's just wet and wild and I don't really know how to be a mom in public yet because hey I've really been at home with them and now I've really been at home with them and low when I'm out and I see other kids on like now that's step on you bro. I Lo- with other people yet but we'll get to the school at some point because I'm not gonNA home or I thought about it but I was like what am I in Utah. Good adult the Bun full you. I mean home. Schooling is an option. But then I feel like everybody who's ever been home schooled when they get out into the real world. They're like I don't know how to do this. Yeah then it's like. Their rooms is like the first time in lake a day or like a joint and I don't want that like obviously we're in the Bronx so they're gonna get a different kind of education. Anyways you know When it's always the nicer schools like the private schools most expensive schools. Have the fucking the fucking drug addicts? Shit I'm late that you're sending your kids to school to see joints and Dick's K. Abc's on this Dick Fuck enjoy. It's like black history month women few months. Learn about it man. How did you? How did you meet your? Who'S BEEN AKA BOB fine? I already know this story but is is for podcasting people to these folly notes who they'll lay stop. Sign the one. I actually wasn't the first one is in. I had met my husband through a one night. Stand I was doing one night stands for a few years because I really hard to date I felt like it was a waste of time. Mike I'm giving you a good outfit. A good lip. I'm I'm like I can pay my half. I'm making the conversation better than whatever the fuck you could do. it never felt even like. I like them too much and they didn't reciprocate or versa. And I was like I could just beginning coup Wayne's doing a show for people who are dating so yeah met him and it was supposed to be one is Dan and he kept in touch with me. Because he's like Damn areolas that's why look on her face too big freckles on her titties gay beach and he was the cookie. Monster. That's horrible. Oh Burger but that's my husband and I love ninety day fiance so much because we really do see part of ourselves in the beginning of their relationship in these dummies. I mean you know. Thank God the government gives them that those many days to figure out how sad they're gonNA fucking be. It's like what happens when you have this fucking connection with somebody after twenty four hours and then go back home because husband lived in Amsterdam right. Yeah he lives in Amsterdam and he had a really cute. He had a hot as roommate at the time. The black chick who surname who was like newly game but like she was by it really depended were kind of rent money she needed. Shand should always be like in a white bikini top like cooking sternum foods and he'd be like skyping me. I gotta go because she cooked Mike. Eker. I'm GonNa with that like and also the fact that you're doing this launch relationship when you never know if you're gonNA see the person again it's like I could really I really faked it until I made it. Sounds like I could be whoever I want. We're never going to see each other so he was like. I love how arms you are. And how comfortable you are with yourself Mike who I. Why would I be anyone else? Why a lot of women are like well. I'll just adapt to what he likes. I I now like sports because my boyfriend likes sports which is like yeah but like why would you wanna go through life fucking pretending? Oh it's exhausting. Think they don't have the do it forever? And then you're like eleven years in and you're not as cute as you. You're before you're not as you don't have the same friends or whatever the phone you don't get wet anymore and like you just have like a fucking fried green tomatoes moment where just like Kathy Bates running in south fucking car and the parking lot of like I don't know what's public's I don't know what's in the South winn-dixie Dixie piggly-wiggly appealingly fried green tomatoes. But your man. I think before that should happen in so much better to yell about at least who. You WanNa be like I'm all about for wish in 'cause I'm just like I'm not there yet. But this is where we wanna be like for me. I I WANNA be Lisa Bonet in jail Amoah wrapped up in a fucking silky gown ready to be a cool as parent. I think I've already achieved that. That's why I love you. I love you wait. Did you husband in Amsterdam or here in Brooklyn here? Have you ever Been Ben? Know what's Bambi? Oh my God. Growth in the budget is real cute. It's in Williams work and cute place When places will be open again it is free. Seven nights of the Week. It's cool World Music Sometimes. Live music. If you WANNA go get spun by Lake African Dude or Spanish dude or Lichen Arabic mother Lake. Did it's people from all over the world cash bar. Only algae now like overprice guava drinks. You're just like Oh and then like all of a sudden someone bust out like a fucking Drum Tubo. You're like oh it's like like linen tank-tops tops a mench at garlic today. It's gray everyone says like it's like the ultimate like fucking dosing Del So you met him at a discotheque for lack of a better word and then you had a one night stand. He GOES BACK TO AMSTERDAM. He keeps in touch. And then. How long were you along this? I don't know how long were you long distance. But before he moved to New York. And you like star relationship. Ooh while he would he liked truly tried to date me over social media and we didn't have facebook yet so he would call. He would skype. He would semi these emails every morning. When I woke up in the subject would be some of the day. And he's like Esau this on I thought of you is like Roy Ayers level bring us together like everybody loves the sunshine like it was it was real romance not talking year he would a bitch he wrote a bitch and then in June. He sent me this video but he made. He took an actual camera on on his bike and he was like. This is my favorite bike. Route is my favorite sandwich shop. This is my photo studio. Because he's apply offer he's like this is my apartment in my cat. So you know you know. I'm not Dexter Morgan 'cause he was like. Can you come see me? Because he was doing a photo shoot and a cop ran over his his foot Amsterdam yield teeny tiny especially the cute ones. No like he's the type of photographer who will scale a wall to get the good shot in this I guess they try to make their turned all the time people in Holland in ran over his foot broke his ankle. He was out of work and then had time to Wyoming. Now that I'm like going back to the story and so he made this beautiful video. I showed all my friends. I was like Erik Andre. Is he crazy am I crazy? What is he good All my friends this video on your all On in like one person was like he probably was a green card online. Get OUTTA BE. He's in the country and I was like. This is such a beautiful thoughtful video and I said okay before I was like I take trips to meet boys not to go see them And I was like what a dumb Ho and he was like. Why would really appreciate it if you can come see me 'cause you know? I can't afford to come out there with my Fulton like jobs. I've lost so it booked ticket out there and I brought my best friend who is a very attractive male model and we've been best season seventh grade And I said okay if he's cool rushing and he's not you know Intimidated by me. Having a best friend is a guy in this dude and the mini we came off the plane he rushing. He's like hello brother. Then Madonna jumped. Now's like family and machine is the godfather of our daughter. So yeah we had a dope time. Yeah it's it was scary though I really liked put myself out there. Like she may also got a hotel like Allen. Notice motherfucking But I spend one night and a hotel you've got his. He got his work on. I don't think you are a dumb Ho. I think you are smart home. That is you honestly so fucking cute. But he liked did the work he was like so fucking far away but did the work also that video of him being like I want you to know about me and my life is like I'm opening the door inviting you and it is so fucking Yvonne rebel because you could never responded or just been like I don't fucking care about your bike route play. God that's so fucking sweet has been thank you so much. I love him to people. Talk about money in the account. What kind of car? They're driving. What kind of rain? They're going to get people from me. I feel like we are just really stuck on the wrong things and that is just fucking because of advertising. You know what I mean. It's it's just like a terrible fucking rumor like women aren't funny it's like now we strong as we develop faster. We like like if you really WANNA get into generals. Let's fucking talk about it but I feel like the fact that everyone's like do they have money. Do they have a diamond Blah Blah Blah? It's like the person you are the things that you're doing and the things that you have this year. You're not going to be the same person next year. You like have to definitely invest in someone Anyways well I think he was a good investment. How long have you guys been together? Twelve yes does he has a at central longtime and I love that when you guys are together there is no love lost like you guys truly have like such a nice love that. I aspire to have because it's easy you got the way you communicate is so fucking easy. It's supposed to be easy like wire. Why are people out here trying to be like everyone loves? Raymond is supposed to be youth. Like why's it has to be a fun conversation? It's like whether you WanNa talk about it or not like they should just get you like and your best friend is supposed to fucking understand how you put your face almost Working I mean I think about that a lot when I suck dicks of people that belong to people. I don't like my God. I can't believe I'm sucking Dick but you know what maybe will get better and that's awful mindset to have it is like a cold Mozzarella's Day. Ooh It's like a familiar in that you're like this is what I like but I don't like it like this. Yes correct terrible examples. No there's a good example. Because a cold Mozzarella sticks is honestly truly very upsetting shocking. Because it looks like it's hot you pick it up. You're like okay cool to the touch and then you buy it and you're like this isn't it. This is like is this glue. This is horrible. Okay we have to take a break. 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Tell me about your face. How long did that last year? One nightstand phase. Ooh I say Six to seven years I truly thought GONNA say month. Oh album eleven seven years. Yeah years I mean there were some relationships in my head but definitely not for real and I really couldn't like orgasm unless I didn't know you Like wow so in my head and I'm just like this is why I am too long ago and Julie Newmar showed up just kidding but yes it was really nice that I'm on my husband through that process But also you know I grew up very Catholic and it was nice to break out of that for a little while in my twenties when I was paying my own bills and can make musicians and as Dylan Alcohol Shur but added that definitely owning my sexuality not apologizing for Shit like yeah be sloppy is having all fucking. Douche is like fine yeah I am. I've fully embraced that. I am a sloppy lady. Who will probably never have it all together. That's just not the way my brain works and I've fully accepted. It accepted my body. I feel I wish I could go in time until like eighteen year. Old Nicole. You're fine. You're literally fucking okay. Just like get into some therapy. Maybe now get on some. Adhd medication maybe. Now Yeah let like. It's okay you're fine. Yeah it's funny because I feel like you can car compartmentalize. Ooh that were all but she pushed through the home part mental. Believe in myself he. Has You know where it's like. You know I'm GonNa work. I'M GONNA work. I'm GONNA have fun. I'M GONNA Marty. I'M GONNA party. We'll have like you do it and you do it to the fullest. And if you don't want to do you're like I'm good like It is a Again it's it's I love responsible messy fun organized situation. I feel like that's what you've got going on. You know Hankyu Hugh and that's great. That's a beautiful as plays. Because it's like you you. You can kind of do it all right like you. Can You understand empathy Wall Street now and I feel the same way about you. I feel like you are like a beautiful free spirit who worked so hard. We're one of the hardest working people I have ever met coming from. You know I mean twenty nineteen was your fucking year baby bookie all over fucking net flicks. I was like what a dream come. True Michelle is all over my TV people to lose their mind when they hear this because they think the same person they do. People keep being like you host of the circle. And I was like nope. That is my friend. Michelle Buteau also. Someone tweeted some was like I love seeing Nicole by all over net flicks so the night tweeted a picture review and was like this is Michelle. Michelle is the person you've been seeing not me and she said are you sure and I said I almost responded. Michelle is coffee. Heavy with milk. I am coffee with a splash of milk. You break it down and ball like okay. This is what a flat white is like. Fuck is wrong with people and now desert is narrating to handle handle. Yes that's other ocoee. Something of the other. Yes remember her. Sassy black women who like enjoy life. Everyone's like it must be. The one person is Google's a friend my friend you can move while mornings like fun book but when he has love for everyone. That's funny. I also saw that someone was like get. Michelle canceled from against guess a circle they want to start a petition to get me fired and get you hired to host the Sir. I saw that and I said this is not nice. My friend hosts thing. I'm GonNa see that and go. Yeah let's take money out of breast pocket so I can have the money again. Real muggy job what is wrong with some dislike during a pins. A-m-a-c them wanted Zale Bank. Radyr MAKE BANANA MUFFINS. Like this is what you know. I just want to be rude. Today's in a much needed at me. I have to constantly remind myself that Lizzo and Nicole buyer to different people and I was like you have to one of us saying on Is A is a comic to so that apropos motherfucking ignorant. I mean anything against would be better than rave. Just kidding his great. You should have Iran. Do you give it a lot raven simone. Raymond Simone's Kim Coles Yeah Kim Whitfield. It's so funny because you're all very different ages I really can you re different ages. I Oh do you Yola is. She's an English country singer now. She is fucking incredible and I can't wait for more people to know who she is but she is a big black woman and I was like I can't wait till she gets added to the mixture of confusion. My what into the clear. Welcome to the club. I too much. It is because I was like. Because I've been watching star. Wars for this other podcasts. They do and I was like the Force Awakens. And then the girl in the back three trilogies. That's the same girl the same white woman and people keep you like no that's a daisy Ridley. And then the other ones that somebody else smells like God lipid that but they you say say how could we could tell the difference between these two. Oh my God it's crazy ever since Guy Code whenever since two thousand twelve or thirteen I love you and Guy Code. You're so funny might thank you so much in the Raza's like what's that I'm like assured never been on. My friends is Olympic. I also sometimes. We'll just say thank you unless. I know it's specifically a friend. You dull say will remain good ones not like a friend but like I know her or like Amber Riley. I'm like no. I'll just tell you that that's not me that it's one of these fucking people all the black ladies sketch. Show sketchy did was so fucking good. It made me laugh so hard when I read it I was like Oh my God black yours so smart and funny this. This was layered. If you haven't watched it and you tell me Oh go watch it. I'm not telling you about it. I watched it on a plane. Yang member planes. Yes they they go in the water and they go fast. I hope not. That's terrible day in sky. That's when they are. I know what a plane is. So you had your twins. Can I ask about okay? Okay so you had twins via a surrogate yes and may I ask how what did what is the relation between like a mom and a surrogate? You know it's interesting. Well thanks for saying mom because a lot of people call the surrogate the mom and she's not a mom. She's yeah exactly. What thank you so much. Because the nurses in the hospital in House the mom doing like right here and I'm it's too much. But it is one of those wonderfully wild strange Relationships a lot of people think you do it because you have a lot of money. No it's just that you know the key to happiness for some reason is just very expensive in this country. Everything's a Goddamn luxury when you actually want to do something and people think. Oh you do it because you WanNa keep your girls figure. It's like bitch never had goldfinger like twelve twelve next. You know you're really at like the end of the road of whatever fucking crazy journey. You've had to try and get pregnant and I know that everybody doesn't want to have a kid. I know that a lot of people are like why don't you adopt? That's fine? I get that and actually tried to adopt From Third World countries but I was denied trying to adopt as well because I found out later after many layers into Our application that you can't adopt if you're still trying to have your own kid. I'm just like what does it matter as long as you're trying to give someone that's the wildest thing I've ever heard. Yes you're trying to have your own child. They won't let you adopt correct. Is it because the know you don't know the answer? That's so fucking weird. I don't know the answer either. I was too exhausted to sort of fight it year to mean like. I'm not Olivia Pope or Air Brockovich. I'm Michelle and I'm like at least eight point five hours so much shahs of sunset to catch up on though. Yeah I mean if it's it's these women they're just like walking angels. Were just like you know I WANNA help you have a family. And Yeah they're just like these these vessels of kindness. And so you really get to decide what your relationship is. I know a lot of people there like. We talked our surrogate all the time. She's our family and it's not like that for us. Although she is from me feels like extended family. 'cause she helped us with their family. I think the texture maybe like once a month on the nineteenth because they were born the nineteenth. I'm just like now. They're thirteen months. Yeah and her family's like so sweet link prayed over the babies and just like couldn't have been nicer kinder and I think you know it's so easy for us to give like a some sort of story in her head of like this grows and people are using these women for money. It's like now mind. Being pregnant. Euphoric in also helping people. There are good people who just want to help other people. I think the concept that a lot of people don't understand that like there's some people in the world who are like I will do. This selfless thing for somebody and I don't need the thing that I get from. It is seeing somebody else. Happy my mom. We will go through the drive through at McDonalds. And she would pay for the person behind us and all he would just drive away. She like she didn't care for the person to say thank you or anything. And she coupon the Lai and if she like couldn't like sometimes you could triple the coupon but sometimes they would advertise that and then he couldn't do it so she would like look in people's carts and give out coupons to people that she couldn't use herself because she knew they were expiring or she would like she would just she had cards. She would buy cards that she liked and they were all in. This like filing cabinet was like birthdays. Anniversaries death congratulations. Thank you cards. And she just had them at the Reggie and if somebody that somebody was like graduating from nursing school would like scurry upstairs right them a card figure out their address and send it to them because just like doing things like that made her happy and filled her. That's a special kind of person you know. And I'm so glad those people exists because not only. Are they walking angels? They're walking examples of sunshine. We all need to follow. I mean it's like can we be as good as your mom probably not honestly I find it so hard. She was a very conscientious person of people in their feelings and stuff and I tried to be but it is work to be so selfless. Yeah Yeah for me. It feels like work. I know a lot of people find it. Easy and Good for them and I applaud them and I have my moments but I think you know from me. The biggest thing is take care of herself on how to take care of yourself. Then take care of other people but still take care and so you know I have to stop sometimes say well. Damn I'm okay So I hear girl crying. Do you WANNA go getter. No my husband can get her in K. Will hold us let her cry. Are You doing sleep training? Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah for sure. We've training is hard. It's hard as fuck I didn't we hadn't done it before the quarantine but because you know I'm on the road a lot and then I'm home and I'm just like well. This is my time to hold them and I think they just doing it because I'm home but now my own now I'm giving you six. Am to seven fifteen p off day. I cannot seem the alphabets anymore. Thank God like prints. I'm just like we gotta listen to something else. That's fucking adorable that they like Prince. I love it cute. When I- NANNIED I had to sleep train and the way they told me to sleep train was he goes down for a nap. You close the door he cries. You'll let them cry hill. Tucker himself out and he'll go to sleep but like I couldn't do it because I was like He. He's so he so. He said he's scared. I don't know so I would like open the door and be like hello. I'm here and then he would quiet down and then I would stay there till he fell asleep and I close the door and it happened less and less put like. I never told the parents that I was cheating. It's hard the legal hard. There's like a part of this documentary. Netflix's about a a person's brain that reacts to a crying baby in you know some people are like I have to do something other people dislike. It's good and it's like you know. Yeah it's hard to ask you something because I don't know how did you get into comedy back? Oh my God I have no idea I just because you were so established. By the time I had started that I was just like Michelle has been doing comedy. Since she fell out of her mom's Pussy. I wish I would have been so rich. In fact I wanted to what I WANNA do. I want to be like in the pageant Probably Act when I was younger. My Mom's like that's not a real job or some shit and now now I'm just like Yeah Okay. You could have been flying private. Yes shoes and get in line in anyways so I wanted to be a journalist in college And I went to college in Miami and we were going around the class one day for this. Tv Production Class. That I had to take and the professor wanted to what we want to be and what we want to do with our degree in I was like I want to be journalists and entertainment reporter actually at He just flat out. Told me this Cuban Professor that I was too fat to be on camera. Oh my God and I was like hell embarrassed in Barabbas in do he emboss you in front of the whole Klaff. He did but it was so as a matter of fact that I was like okay and I was also taught not to question authority to respect my elder so I was like okay And you know I wasn't this one. I didn't have a camera on my phone. I didn't have like a Hashtag or a walkout like that. In nineteen ninety five or nineteen ninety six it was like alright and and plus anyone like me on TV. Anyways of Miami everyone like fucking sophie of Gara or like one of Light on Cuban. I'm like this is refusing any white girls from Seattle behind the camera but I wanted a job that felt different every day. Creative and so again to news editing producing in field directing Feel producing and so when I went to New York went back to New York or did W NBC my My coworkers were just like proper drunks. Like you know. Lincoln New York staff at like ghosts. The PUB afterwards dislike chewing. Their faith often goes back to work the next like my people home. I know right so funny. You should do comedy. I'm like Oh please. That's crazy and our end up going to a couple of shows and people were just a it was always men just like how jerk often Mike needs to get sucked so broken. I'm like this is satisfied and I'm good these people and I'm happy. I like money and always being brought and so I would write like emails just like little anecdotes about my roommate. Who had all white cat named cocaine in like just like weird while? Shit like getting gum. Stuck? Insulin's dig I it doesn't get it out and people were like forwarding to other people really. This is funny so like all these stories are funny. And then I mean truth Tori nine. Eleven happened and I was like. Oh well I had been interested in taking a stand up class anyways. So and the news director was like well. We're offering therapy. I'm like I don't eat it. Own Handa shoot up taking him there and I just started. I took a class into stand up. We're offering therapy. I don't want to stand up club. I mean I was bashing crazy like nobody wants to date me. I was like editing. The worst thing in the fucking world and dislike. I should jokes Yes so the end of two thousand one is when I started and that's kind of how I started because people told me I should honestly maybe my favorite getting into comedy story nine eleven happened. Oh it's it's not okay. So fucking funny. What a dream meal like a national tragedy. I must go tell jokes on stage. It was crazy In the Bay with no window was be like I am too cute not to have a goddamn windows. Have like pitchers of Sun and I hated that. People just walked up on me from the back in editing for people who are just like four seconds of this three seconds of that and it's a house fire. Comey down. No one's watching this. No one's watching it for the editing content like there were eight seconds of that house fire when it should have been four X. Thank you so much. I wish you were my writer. You said the you were a size. Twelve by twelve which was a throwaway. But like you've been a. How do you describe yourself? What do you say? Plus size will up to his. I call myself because I don't fucking care you know it changes. I used to say problem areas but I'm not human areas. Big You know really depends on what country. I'm in though because Holland unsatisfied. Can't Ron and skip fucker fat. You'll long that's why all fucking brand plus is big titty committee but like you know it changes. Did you find the being part of the big data committee made it harder or easier to date harder? harder for sure because I don't know that people that at least I ran into early society really and even Hollywood at the time. You were supposed to be apologetic for your body. If it wasn't like Jennifer Aniston Type Situation End or even Gabrielle Union. It was like if you can't wear a bikini and looked like everybody else than should be thankful. Somebody wants to stick their Dick in your mouth. I'm like Oh no no. I'd like this and you should be thankful that I'm GonNa sit on your fame bitch by that. Didn't always work in would work like behind closed doors after like seventeen drink But then like not in front of people and dislike. I'm not trying to live my life like an episode of Friday night. Lights me like we got to be out here. The proud of post like what are you. We like shave going home for. I don't need this while I'm trying to fuck you. I'll have the shame the next day when I'm wearing a sequined dress on the subway at seven. Am where people are like. I work for a living finding that like I for a minute. I kept sleeping with guys who were like. Who had never fucked a fat girl before the only reason why I know that it's only a couple of them which just flat out say it but like they don't WanNa touch your fat like they're scared to touch like design but I'm like can grip the meat. It's fucking there it onto it or they come very quickly because they're not used to audit as yeah that far too like. This is a war master sandwich which melted Sheila. They don't want song about the foot long long. It is weird in the whole like the the whole. I don't know if you've gotten this. I have never been attracted to someone your size before. Dad Not accomplish that unaccountable known. Now that's the inside thought that you could keep to yourself. Nobody has to hear that. Get F- like far. You need a known in comeback and be part of society flipside you get dudes who are like. Oh Fuck in love all of your body and you're like okay. You didn't have to say I'll just me? I like this. You could say your sexy in you. Don't you don't have to be like I like all of this real duplex you the whole people. You feel like a fetish is a slang. Yes okay thank you so much but what about the real me? I mean and my personality. I tried fat specific dating APPs. And they were all filled with a Dominican men who lived in Pasadena who were like off just slide a finger in between a role in slide of finger. What do you? What do you think that crumbs probably in came later my whole body is like a Hawaiian done like king months? Too soft and sweet. I mean yeah is that. It's such a weird combination of like. Yeah I want you to accept me and enjoy me but don't be gross about it. You fat king with Gout to match. Yeah 'cause like I can't imagine a thin woman has ever been fucked were dude like touches her like protruding hip and like Manna. Fucking love. These bones like I don't think that happens too thin people. I mean I could be wrong. LemMe know girl. I don't know now I don't know I don't really know anyone that's had sex. Not Blackout trump. Just getting married people really. Don't talk about sex anymore. I realized that even I've never met so many Might say wrestling Mary. People I guess a lot of married people are in open relationships and go swaying and like do stuff like that. And so they'll be open about doing that. Happen League nugget into details and stuff so you know. I do miss the Chitchat. The Camaraderie of dislike. Oh Ma'am Abboud whole like no more fingers fingers will no more fingers never really made me laugh. I really liked it. When injury? No stop is rounding Zayed's real all comes out one whole sometimes but the point is the point is I think that if n is taking me like maybe over twenty years to kind of wrap my mind around this if we just sort of look at each other lake. We're souls souls walking around. Who WANT TO BE LOVED TO WANNA less to whatever the fuck it? It'd be so much easier than like you know all of this top heavy bitch or can you not up so I could see your posting. I'm sorry mount useless. Jeremy is like you like A. We'll have a fat chick. Have this chick like why. Can't we just be people who just? WanNa get it in I agree how I'm just a girl standing in front of adult person skin to suck are you. Do you like the suck suck and all suck anything. Yeah Caffeine you I. I don't WANNA say. Are you afraid? Getting cold source Honestly the thought never crossed my mind until right now I do try to Suss out. Somebody like he got a look clean. I won't fuck you got dirty fingernails. Let's just. I can't do that if they're not if your fingernails aren't kept that means you probably aren't keeping it fresh down. There only like sucked one Dick. That was bad luke. My dogs are barking. And I don't mean my feet natural dogs now. Your jobs are agreeing with you about that. One desk yes a He was an Australian man. And I us jake in my mouth and it truly tasted like I was like I don't know this is not good. This is not good for me. I tried to hook up with an Australian to and he took his shirt off in every layer. My eyes start to water and I was like. What are you not doing? Do you like yourself. And he was. He looked like a Hemsworth and undecisive to with poison. Dick he now shout Australian fans. But you know that whole places full love will the eight England sent the the pro? The niners They an island full of prisoners like most of all of my Australian listeners. I like them very very much very kind. Yes I'm coming there hopefully in January as you will. Have you been rescheduling your tours and stuff? How have you been dealing with yet? Work in Torrington. Shit is crazy. Everything is like taking a pause for the cause. But you know I'm I'm realizing that it's just bigger than me. Obviously some dislike young whenever people feel safe zones doing a show end a parenting show and those two things Are like very personal so again. I'm I'm fine to take a break because the world will always be there Are you writing material about this? No no no. No no because everything I've written is I don't know if there isn't like a hot take. Do you know what I'm saying like I have my hot takes about fucking fat woman because I am a fat woman. But it's like we're all going through this. I don't know what is unique about my situation to people are people offended when when they hear you call yourself at. Yes yeah like they get offended on my behalf because so I am I stand up would be like I'm fat woman and people literally out loud would go. You're not fat. You're beautiful and I was like what the fuck is happening. And I like wrack my brain and I just posted an instagram where wearing a bikini but is juicy and I was like very fat very brave. My we'll hash tag that I love and sounds like you're not fat and I was like girl. What are you looking at if yes I'm very? I'm a very fat woman. I am if you want to say categorically morbidly obese but that doesn't negate the fact that I think I'm stunning. I wouldn't have posted the picture if I didn't think I looked good. I don't think that is an insult. I just it's just something you can have and I wish more people would just embrace. It's like when someone fucking calls you fat. They didn't tell you something you didn't know like why can't we be fat beautiful? I don't know fat football fan. Ooh I like that. Hi I'm Nicole. I'm fat and Fuck Fat. Look either way either. Way Juicy of is a tender mony with some dipping sauces. Yeah that part. Yeah because a lot of like improv lines. That have made it into things that I've done like Like someone great. I say like before and after pictures to Gina Rodriguez and People Got Helen. Offended in their dislike. A- why would you say this is like because it's true? Yeah it's like I don't know why and it's like you didn't say which one was the before. Also let me say what the Fuck I wanna stay during mean like the way other things in subjects in things that you should be way more offended about the you should be working on than this little him Hamline meal within. Also you just you like. It's a before and after picture. It's not like you said it's a before and after picture where you're beautiful and I'm dog shit. I'm killing myself and jump in front of this fucking train. Goodbye so dark. I love that so much talk. Shoot but you just had fucking scenario and things by saying I'M GONNA walk in front of a train car a motorcycle. I call myself too. Fat Meghan Markle is always you might. Maybe in people self ended outset. How is that not true? Let me let me be me bitch. Yeah I think people just want to get upset over something and then when they get upset on your behalf they feel even more indignant or like righteous about it. But it's like bitch. I didn't say nothing that I'm not okay with. Yeah you know the baby girl crying again. I think is very now. The nuances of the entitlement is true level. Where I'm just like you know just realize that you're not helping anyone to starting should the Disney to be Started I think I have to go. We can Julie End. Okay I am so sorry. No real quick. Do you have anything you want to promote or no? Yeah I have a book coming out. I know that congrats. Thank you the call. I haven't announced yet but also sit announcing three Fridays. It's called survival the thickness and They're just funny short Essays about what life has been like And flee special becoming out the end of the summer and this called welcome to be Utopia. Yes you stupid bitch. That's such a good title. I fucking love it. Let much by the way. My Shit and kill smells like be from the time. We went to Miami a year ago. Okay love you bye tell the Babies. I Love Them. I Love You. Thank you so much. I really hope that we can do this. Travel show I hope so too. Hopefully the world will be better soon. Okay take care of the babies by and let me by okay. So that's bad episode. Michelle had go. She had to take care of them babies. Honestly they're the cutest babies in the whole world and I love them. But if you like this episode won't you? You can like it you can subscribing tunes if you leave me a nasty. Come on hitting on me. I will read it. This person slid into my. Dm's to say Nicole. I'm fuck you so hard. You're going to be tight but walking like C. Three Po just to keep that asshole in. So this nice person wants to prolapse my and this person just put up straight up in the comments on my instagram. I want to Cook Chili Naked. And let and let me pour it slowly down your ass crack while I eat you out. Let's make that Frito Pie with that Pussy. Love you with a heart and stars. Then that's it okay. Thank you bay ee. That was a hate Bam podcast.

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