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"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Aerial America

Aerial America

03:02 min | 1 year ago

"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Aerial America

"This may look like a medieval fortress but it's actually the oldest prison facility in kentucky built in eighteen eighty nine locals locals often call the state penitentiary the castle on the cumberland it houses kentucky's only death row. It's execution. Chamber was used as recently as two two thousand eight. If this prisons walls could speak they would have plenty of colorful tales to tell that's because the state pen dates back to a time when many of kentucky's rural communities were ruled by honor and family pride not by law time when feuds on the kentucky frontier were were settled with violence and blood. Some of these beauts have been the stuff of legend like the one that erupted on kentucky's border with west virginia nia. You're along the tug fork river that divides the states some say it all started in eighteen seventy eight in a valley like this one when randall mccoy of pike county accused floyd hatfield of west virginia of stealing one of his hogs get set off tensions between the two families that were often fueled by family gatherings and whiskey here in these appalachian hills. One argument over a debt of a dollar seventy five led to the killing of mccoy. A revenge attack led to three more deaths on august twenty ninth. 1887 kanat hatfield wrote a letter warning the mccoy's. We have been told by men from your county that you and your men are fixing to invade this county for the purpose of taking the hatfield boys the world we have no particular pleasure at hanging dogs but we know you have counted the miles and mark the tree finally on january first eighteen eighty eight the hatfields took matters into their own hands. They traveled across the tug fork river over surrounded one of the mccoy's houses and set it on fire then they shot the mccoy's as they ran from the flames. When sarah mccoy tried to protect checked her daughter she was beaten so severely that her skull was crushed miraculously she survived and testified against the happy here at the pike county courthouse in pike ville in eighteen eighty nine spectators crowded in hoping to get a glimpse of the bloodthirsty mountain desperadoes varados the jury sentenced eight of the hatfields to life but it was a man named ellison mounts who got the death penalty for killing sarah era mccoy's daughter. The hatfield mccoys feud got a lot of press at the time which is a big reason why became the stuff of frontier legend you though killings like like these were common across eastern kentucky after the civil war but despite the backwoods violence that flared across the appalachians kentucky was still seen as a land of liberty and always had been..

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"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Crimes of Passion

Crimes of Passion

13:42 min | 1 year ago

"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Crimes of Passion

"Today. Codenames deception gadgets. It might seem like something out of the movies. But these are just some of the essential components of being a spy most spies. Don't stand out like characters JAMES BOND and eat and hunt. They are ordinary forgettable people, which makes them all the more dangerous. So what does it really take to be a spy every week espionage a new park. Cast original explores this high stakes world in analyzes the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and how these covert operations succeeded or failed. Find out the real world's by tactics required to impersonate, exploit an infiltrate the most confidential places in the world, you'll be shocked by the episode on Larry chin one of the CIA's top Chinese linguists. Who was also China's top spy for over thirty years and you'll be in spy. Fired by Virginia hall who despite losing part of her leg, organize sabotage missions against German army and helped allied soldiers escape during World War Two search for in subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts again, search espionage or visit park has dot com slash espionage till listen now. Now back to this crime of passion. The happy McCoy viewed was ignited in eighteen sixty five with the death of thirty seven year old harm in McCoy. He was likely killed by a thirty three year old man named Jim Vance a confederate sympathizer who was angry about Harmon service with the union army. Vance may have had help from his nephew twenty six year old devil Anse Hatfield Harman's older brother Randolph McCoy did not initially seek retaliation. He may have had too many other worries to pursue vengeance tending to his wife and sixteen children. But it was the first slight and what would become an avalanche of grudges Randolph McCoy descended from some of the original pioneers of tug fork valley, but Randolph's father had to sell off their family farm in order to pay various fines and debts therefore Randolph inherited no land from his father. He and his wife, Sarah. Lived in a tiny cabin in the blackberry district of Kentucky about two miles south of the tug fork river, they had very little land and had almost nothing to pass down to their children research conducted by scientists Paul Tiffen Mark s Pierce and Louise Parker show that men who have gone through a downward social trajectory experienced significantly, greater mental health issues than men who social status remains the same over time. The loss of status often gives rise to feelings of shame and distrust, according to Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett for Randolph McCoy the daily struggles of poverty, only added to the usual stresses of trying to raise a large family in the harsh wilderness of the mountains. In the late eighteen hundreds Appalachia, many families survival depended on the success of their small-scale farming and hurting opperations Randolph. Mccoy's family was no different. Raising. Hogs was critical to their livelihood. A single four hundred pound animal might make the difference between getting through the winter and starving to death. Therefore farmers took their hogs very seriously a Kentucky circuit court judge noted that he'd convicted more men for stealing hogs than for murder. In September of eighteen seventy eight fifty two year old Randolph was pending his hog. So that he could castrate the piglets in the middle of his work. A Sal broke through the fence and ran off with six of her piglets Randolph. Let her go the hongs or territorial animals and didn't often stray far from home. But when they hadn't returned by that winter Randolph mounted a search. He was confident he would be able to recognize the sow if he found her farmers Mark their hogs by cutting notches into the animal's ears. Each armor had his own distinct Marc Randolph track the hog to the farm of his nephew, Tom Stafford Stafford didn't know who the hogs belong to. But he had been keeping them penned up with his own pigs until the owner came forward since it was nearly night. Randolph didn't want to go through the trouble of dragging the hogs back home in the dark. He knocked on Tom's door. Four and let his nephew. No that he'd come to retrieve them the next morning. But not long after Randolph left. Another man Floyd Hatfield showed up at Tom's door. Twenty nine year old Floyd was a cousin of devil Anse Hatfield. He also happened to be Tom Stafford's brother-in-law. He claimed that a few of his hogs had crossed over the frozen tug fork river and had gotten stranded on Tom's property. Tom worn Floyd that Randolph McCoy claimed ownership over those same hogs Floyd didn't listen, he rounded up the livestock and herded them across the river to his farm. When Randolph heard about this the following day. He was furious. He immediately went to confront Floyd the men checked the hogs ears, but the brands were so scuffed up and scarred over nobody could tell who's marks. They were Floyd Hatfield kept possession of the hongs, but Randolph McCoy promised that the matter was an over Randolph took his claim to another Hatfield cousin confusingly also named Anse Hatfield this cousin went by the name preacher ants in contrast to Deva, Lance, although he was a Hatfield by name and blood year old preacher. Aunts lived in the same district as Randolph McCoy on the Kentucky side of the tug. Fork river rather than the West Virginia side, more most of the other hatfields, resided preacher. Anse led the congregation of the old pond creek Baptist church where both hatfields and McCoy. As went to worship, he was seen as a neutral party among the families and as a Justice of the peace. He was also accepted by both families as a qualified arbiter over the hog conflict. Preacher aunts organized. A hearing his log cabin farmers from all over tug. Fork valley came to see the disagreement playout preacher Anse called for everyone to cast their weapons aside. The men grudgingly laid their rifles and pistols against the wall and the trial began testimony went as everyone expected with the McCoy witnesses swearing that the hog belonged to Randolph McCoy, and the Hatfield witnesses insisting that it was Floyd's one witness deviated from family lines Bill Stayton Stayton was a cousin of Randolph McCoy. But his sister was married to Ellison Hatfield. Ellison Hatfield wasn't just statements brother-in-law. They were best friends state and testified that he had personally watched Floyd brand the hog in question. The mccoys were furious Randolph. Mccoy's nephew Paris called. Stayton a damned liar. But Stayton stuck to his testimony. Once the witnesses were through it was time for the jury to come to a decision preacher. Ants was determined to be impartial. He had selected a jury of six men with Hatfield affiliations and six men from the McCoy clan. Perhaps he felt that if the trial ended in a hung jury, the men might both feel vindicated and let the matter drop with no hard feelings, but predicting jury loyalties crew to be an impossible task one of the jurors Selkirk McCoy was yet another cousin of Randolph McCoy, but he had served in the confederate army with devil Anse Hatfield and he worked on devil answers timber crew with Selkirk joining in with the hatfields the jury turned in a verdict of seven to five against Randolph McCoy. The McCoy's were astonished and infuriated Randolph cursed the verdict, but his wife Sarah convinced her husband to accept the outcome. Although he growled about the injustice Randolph allowed Floyd to take home the prize tog the feud could have stopped there in its tracks. But Randolph McCoy had nine sons and countless nephews who did not have Randolph's passive temperament to them. The verdict wasn't just about a stolen pig. It was a matter of family, honour and betrayal. Harvard Medical School psychiatrist James Gilligan spent several years as the medical director for the Massachusetts prison system. He wrote that the inmates violent acts were nearly always triggered by a recent humiliation. The men used violence as a way to recover their pride after a loss of face. The aftermath of the hog trial showed that the mccoys were determined to punish the Hatfield for injury to their egos from then on flare ups of violence between the families became a regular occurrence, the mccoys directed most of their IRA at Bill Stayton who had sided with his Hatfield inlaws over his cousin Randolph McCoy after the trial state and try to steer clear of his angry relations by staying on the West Virginia side of the tug fork river, but run ins were unavoidable one autumn afternoon. Bill Stayton was hunting deer in the woods with Ellison Hatfield. Ellison like his brother Deva, Lance was a confederate veteran locally hailed as a war hero. Unlike Deva, Lance Ellison had a reputation for being even tempered and fair-minded. He was a deacon in preacher answers Baptist church. And he was known as the peacekeeper. Ever of the Hatfield family. The men came upon to McCoy brothers, Paris and squirrel hunting Sam the McCoy's bristled when they saw Bill Stayton remembering his traitorous testimony at the hug trial squirrel hunting Sam aimed his rifle and shot the gun right out of Bill statements hands then he dropped his own gun and threw himself at his cousin. They scuffled on the ground until Ellison Hatfield, pull them apart and shoved squirrel hunting Sam away the men separated without any serious injury that day, but the next few months were punctuated with similar skirmishes on June eighteen eighteen eighty Paris in squirrel hunting Sam again, cross paths with Bill Stayton in the woods. This time. Stayton was alone. There are several different accounts of what followed on that day. According to McCoy historians. Bill Stayton saw Perez and Sam I and he ambushed them shooting Paris through the hip. Paris felt the bullet ripped through the flesh of his hip, and he snarled in surprise and pain. He turned to see Bill statement barreling towards him acting on pure instinct, Paris raised his own gun and fired back hitting Stayton in the chest. Paris's Pull's raised as he watched the blood spurt from the man's wound. But Stayton wasn't stopping he lumbered toward Paris and began to pummel him with his fists. Paris drew up his arms grabbing Bill by the shoulders as he stumbled backward. He clot at Bill drawing. Blood Bill, Baird his teeth rabid suddenly Bill lunched forward and tore at Paris's jugular vein with his teeth. Paris began to panic. He felt sticky blood pooling at his caller, he gripped. The other man's jaws and tried to pry him loose Paris church. Nd his desperate is towards his brother squirrel hunting. Sam who watched the fight from a few feet away. Harris couldn't speak. He couldn't manage to do anything. But grunt regardless. Sam got the message and raise his pistol. Sam wasn't nickname squirrel hunting Sam for nothing. He had an aim so sharp he could pick squirrels out of trees as they leapt from limb to limb now he was aiming at a larger target with one shot from SAM's gun. A bullet pierced Bill state and skull Peres felt bills body jerk against him, then go limp. Paris breathe a sigh of relief Bill Stayton had finally gotten. What was coming to him?

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"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

02:52 min | 2 years ago

"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"So just confusing to me. Yeah. So I guess he's just as the piece where where related to them man, and I have gone over this so many times to try and separate the families. There's anyway, I guess what's important in this segment of the tail is whether or not these these these local law officers were hatfields or not local officers get him. But then some some hatfields possibly some other hatfields think like no we don't want this to go to the court. They form a posse. They get these three McCoy San's in some vigilante kind of take down. Right. And then they take them back to one of their homes. So they take take us the of them. They have them in West Virginia. They put him in an abandoned log schoolhouse. They're real under under armed guard and that night, Randall's wife, the boy's mother Serra McCoy her daughter-in-law Mary butcher arrive. Beg to see their kin Deva Lance relents the women get to spend. A fair amount of time with them co-boys, supposedly Sarah pleads with devil Anse not to kill her sons, he promises her he will return them to Kentucky soil alive, but then the following day, August, ninth devil and his brother. Ellison dies endeavor, Lance enraged, he's grieving he decides he is not going to return service boys to her not after killing his brother. She returns again to see her son. She is denied, and then the McCoy prisoners are bound and March to the tug fork where they crossed the river there returned to Kentucky soil where the hatfields some had time to some bushes. Cross the creek DO back to the West Virginia side, and then from across the creek opened fire on the bound prisoners fire. Well over fifty shots there. They're, you know, very dead. The bodies of Tolbert farmer and bud McCoy then discovered on the riverbank next day by relative. Yeah. If any of these points, I have to do a little bit wait what? There's there's a a lot of a lot of tales out there about these guys. And it's a very fusing tail even when you do it down to the truth. And yeah, takes a lot of like, wait what have to be very clear. What what am I saying now? So if you're keeping track let's do a recap because this shit is getting confusing. If you're keeping track of significant hostilities, let's go over the important points before we move forward in this tale as a in McCoy thought to have been killed by some hatfields likely by either Deva, Lance or crazy Jim Vance in eighteen sixty five and as a Harmon McCoy is Renell McCoy old Randall head of the McCoy clan. It's his brother the brother that was ostracized by the family for being a unit soldier. That's eighteen sixty five eighteen seventy eight Randall McCoy accuses Floyd Hatfield cousin of devil Anse of stealing one of his hogs Floyd found innocent. But the trial may not have been that fair. Shootout over the hog dispute. A few months later leads to Paris McCoy..

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"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

04:19 min | 2 years ago

"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"Fall eighteen seventy eight a ho how woke real Hawgood stolen? Maybe we think it's common practice for families. Let their hogs roam the woods round their properties for to forage for acorns and beechnuts inch family would Mark their particular hog with a notch or Mark. And it's ear the animals would then be easily recognizable identified be rounded up again. In autumn of eighteen seventy eight Ronald McCoy leader of the McCoy's visiting Floyd Hatfield cousin Debbie lands at his farm, and they're Randall claimed he saw hog bearing the earmark of McCoy penned up with the Hatfield animals who I see what you doing Randall, notoriously hot tempered, immediately cues Floyd Hatfield of cedar one of his animals files, a formal suit for the hogs recovery. With Reverend Anderson Hatfield, the local Justice of the peace enemy who happens to be devil answers. First cousin. The matter goes to trial in an attempt to keep the verdict. Fair. Anderson had fields jury made up a six hatfields and six McCoy's. Then Bill Stanton nephew of Randall McCoy brother of Sarah Stanton, who was the wife of Ellison Hatfield, sister-in-law Deva. Lance testified that the hogging question did indeed bear Hatfield, Mark. And he said he'd per- personally personally witnessed Floyd Hatfield applying that Mark and damn conflicting family loyalties old at he didn't know which way he didn't know which way to. To to which side to be on this dock vote is supposed to marry how folk now you've got some men connected. Both families bound to piss off kin one side another his full mouth. Surprise verdict. The jury found fully healed innocent of any wrongdoing because Selkirk McCoy cousin Randall apparently gave the swing vote for innocence. Who you don't did? Now, you would trade you'll bloodline. The McCoy's were outraged the verdict subsequently ostracized Selkirk from the family. He's out now is a traitor for supporting the hatfields in this decision. And then he would just be aligned with the Hatfield clan in the future. I mean, these people were serious about man, like so clannish, you know, you fight on which side of the civil war that our families decided to fight you testify only on our behalf. Always you don't you'll find out later. You know, in the story date anybody from that aside, you do any of those things you're fucking out for life. You're out of that is still hardcore. I'll never understand like that. Like people don't like in the world. But if Roe got involved with them, I wouldn't be like you make decision now. You'll with the comments clay, and you told me for Allah people do that all the time back then. Okay. So selkirk. Yeah. He broke one of the first rule speed in clan. Testified testified against kind. In the months following the hog trail hawks witness Bill Stanton. Now he's harassed and threatened by the mccoys for testifying on behalf of Floyd. Remember, he's you know, vaguely related to the McCoy's. But there like man you testified against us. You couldn't keep your mouth shuts. Now, there's like crazy confrontations between him and various McCoy's it included gunfire. You know, he's once once in a while just riding around through the valley getting fucking shot at because you opened his mouth about a hog. But no serious harm was done. Initially. Just just gotta boy as being valuable us just showed one another. That's how settled disagreements until eventually a chance encounter between Bill Stanton. Salmon, Paris McCoy brothers of old Randall McCoy leads to a shootout ending in the serious wounding of Peres McCoy and in the murder of Bill stance. Now, he gets killed for open his mouth about the hulk you try to testify now you try to testify cast Kim from hail you feel stooge. Sam Koi stands trial for Stanton's murder and other the evidence and judicial system seem very stacked against him. It seems very obviously he did this. And also, you know, Deva lands owned brother Valentine Hatfield. Now, the judge this trouser cousin preside first cousin preside in the last trial over last row. Now, he's now his brother is presiding judge in this trial, but still Sam found not guilty by reason of self defense and some story and things decision was handed down per the explicit instructions of Deva lands to defuse tension between the two families to prevent further. Violence. You know, it's like, yes. Yes. You know? He okay. One of our conned was killed but Conde provoke him. Let's stop it..

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"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Citation Needed

Citation Needed

05:58 min | 2 years ago

"floyd hatfield" Discussed on Citation Needed

"That's. Monitor all the time. About long monotonous. A good sign, my friend that's not well. It's not a good sign for him for he has a heart. My last thought will be this fucking thing. All right. So the common telling of the story says that the feud started with an argument about a pig. So a southern wedding pig was pregnant. So I mean, they pretty much well, yeah, there's not much argument in those, but yeah, now the historians will argue that it actually started when a member of the Hatfield family killed him a Koi who was just discharged from the union army during the civil war. Lots of blame on both sides. Yeah. Are we talking about Haroo a notice. Grandfather likes Japan. Devlin doesn't have the monopoly on war holdouts. I feel like we have pretty big chunk of the electoral map still holding out on the civil war. Way too much. All right. So now killing our soldiers. Cousin might seem like a more plausible Genesis for a bloody feud of thirty years, but there are a few reasons. It doesn't really make sense. The murder happened thirteen years before the pig incident. And then after the pig thing ramps into high gear and turns to mass homicide really quick. So even if the dead union soldier really was the impetus for the fight, it's definitely the pig thing that swung into high gear. Yeah, it's like the Ramseys let their bushes grow over the property line and all the sudden their neighbors are like, you know what? James. In the south, though killing a cousin is only frowned upon because it lessens the dating pool. So it got. So so who were the Hatfield mccoys. Okay. So they were to extended families that lived on opposite sides of the get ready for the red names tug fork, which is. The big sandy river. Is there a small? Probably, yeah, actually, or the McCoy family live mostly on the Kentucky side, a tug fork while the hatfields live mostly on the West Virginia side and the whole border state during the civil war thing would bolster the notion that the feud was really an outgrowth of the civil war, but with only one exception, the members of both families fought for the confederacy in that war. Okay. So just to be clear, we murdered each other for thirty years because of a pig based argument. That's flattering version of the story, really? Yes, because the other one is they only hated negroes meet him. Oh, I know this one. What is the best thing that could be written on the tombstone of classical liberal. Tell you two points? No, despite their characterization at Bugs Bunny cartoons were not talking about poor families. Okay. I'm gonna have to pause disagree if you weren't poor to live in the south. That doesn't. Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. Look, it's eighteen eighty one with this whole thing. Get started so incense, everybody is poor, but like by comparison, the mccoys were generally a middle class family and the hatfields were pretty much rich William Anderson Hatfield, the patriarch of the family owned timbering company and was well connected politically. And by the way, if William Anderson doesn't seem as redneck, as I promise, I should point out that his nickname was devil. Ants. Okay. I don't know what you guys had to look up the word and that know what it means means handle. So I think it's nickname actually means like devil. This is not a guy. I pick a fight where it was forked. Case. So so when does the feud start Noah? Okay. Well, I'll give you the boring historian version. I of course you will know amazing. Shocker, everyone used just just because you're married, doesn't mean get to skip the foreplay with everybody. So. So. Wait, it doesn't. I got. Got duped on this. Yeah, right. Right now they don't tell you until after you sign. So ayso Harmon McCoy joined the union army in October of eighteen sixty three. And within six weeks, he takes a non fatal bullet to the chest and gets captured by the rebels, four months after that, he's released to union hospital in Maryland. And since he's basically useless to the war effort, they send him home in December sixty four, of course home in this instance is the southernmost end of West Virginia, Kentucky. That's an active war zone. At the moment, I want to roll rollback. Here. He took a bullet to the chest back then, did the civil our doctors just amputate and he had to spend the rest of his life with a peg tours. For peg tour. So there's a lot of words I thought had different means. Doing my best to learn the important thing to keep in mind that the guns were in a hell of a lot better than the medicine back next, the amendments, make more sense to so honest way home a group rebels capture and kill him. This happens in January, a sixty five and according to the McCoy's both then and now he was killed by a member of the Hatfield family. When a devil answers goals named Jim Vance, old devil, dick strikes again, there'll be a lot of that. Now if we believe that this really did start the few, we have to believe that the McCoy side then bided their time for thirteen years, and their grand plan was to get the hatfields to randomly fuck them on a pig deal. So in my opinion, the real start of the feud is an eighteen seventy eight. When devil answers cousin Floyd Hatfield gets into an argument with Randolph McCoy over the ownership of a pig, just like to hillbillies, kneeling down trying to get a pig to come him. Stupid noises here pig chimera body pig sound. Turns out the pigs dead.

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"floyd hatfield" Discussed on WTMA

WTMA

02:12 min | 2 years ago

"floyd hatfield" Discussed on WTMA

"Day having birthdays today kevin fedor line k fed used to be married to britney spears he's forty years old today let's see matthew broderick has fifty six rosie o'donald o'donnell is fifty six years old to a big fan of president trump from what i hear big big giant fan of president trump gary oldman is sixty years old today of course he won best oscar for his portrayal of winston churchill in darkest hour saw that movie last weekend it was really really good really a great movie who else having a birthday today timothy dalton is seventy two years old today probably the worst james bond we've got eleven days until easter sunday april fools will be here in eleven days as well twenty seven days until your taxes are doing and it was on this day in eighteen ninety one the feud between the hatfields and mccoys ended with a marriage the feud started in eighteen sixty two over an attempted a love meant of john's e hatfield with roseanna mccoy or over floyd hatfield stealing a hog belonging to randolph mccoy we don't exactly know which story is true nineteen sixty five martin luther king junior led three thousand civil rights demonstrate on a fifty four mile march from selma to montgomery alabama to demand voting rights for blacks by the end of the march twenty five thousand people had joined and it was on this day in nineteen sixty nine one day after getting married john lennon and yoko ono started their bed for peace in an amsterdam hotel so oh and and it was on this day in nineteen seventy earth day took place for the first time can you guess where of course san francisco it's seventeen minutes past six o'clock on the big talker twelve fifty wt charlie james in the morning tweeting now ten on the big talker twelve fifty wt a the tma morning show continues next clark howard a very important report in the journal of the american medical association fines if you just took advil or tylenol generic equivalents of either you're likely to have the same level of pain relief without the danger.

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