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#71: Our Take, September 23, 2019

Health Care Rounds

10:42 min | 1 year ago

#71: Our Take, September 23, 2019

"Welcome to healthcare rounds the podcast serving you the INS and outs of health policy and business topics as well as our take on the rapidly evolving healthcare delivery ecosystem. I'm your host John Chica CEO of Darwin Research Group and faculty associate at the W P Carey School of business and the College of Health Solutions at Arizona at the University of a new report from the healthcare cost cost institute or HCI shows that nearly three quarters of US hospital markets are highly concentrated further thirteen percent of markets were considered very highly concentrated. According to the researchers highly concentrated hospital markets were associated with higher inpatient prices. HCC uses the Herpin Doll Hirschman index or HHI as its measure of market concentration a higher value signifies a more highly concentrated market whereas a smaller number of hospital systems account for a larger share of admissions the ranges from zero representing perfect competition to one or monopoly state HCC. I analyzed more than one point eight billion commercial insurance claims from two thousand twelve to two thousand sixteen in one hundred twelve metropolitan areas in forty three states. Their work was funded by a grant from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Here's our take what's acknowledged the excellent ongoing work that HCE. Ci Does to inform policy makers and other researchers like us their the database includes fifty million commercially insured individuals per year at two thousand eight to two thousand sixteen and as a qualified entity has one hundred percent of Medicare fee for service claims on forty million individuals per year now. Let's dig a little deeper into their findings. I with consolidation consolidation markets are becoming more concentrated and less competitive. HCC I found that the number of highly concentrated markets rose from sixty seven percent in twenty when he twelve to seventy two percent twenty sixteen second these increases in concentration level's happened in more than two thirds of market studied from Twenty twelve also twenty sixteen with the median increase in hi of zero point three nine one for instance Milwaukee Wisconsin in Houston Texas were moderately concentrated concentrated in two thousand twelve or highly concentrated in two thousand sixteen why this matters as HCC points out quote a merger that causes this is an increase in hi of zero point zero two is a sufficiently large enough to warrant further DOJ investigation within moderately concentrated concentrated markets and above per their guidelines and quote we typically associated consolidation through mergers as the driving factor for increased market concentration gratien but as the researchers wrote quote an increase in market concentration can happen for a multitude of reasons such as changes in patient preferences quality improvements by certain providers we're changes and insurance networks among other factors and quote those concentrated markets and dominant local system our number one springfield Missouri Cox Health Number Two Fury Illinois Healthcare Number Three Cape Coral Florida Lee Health Number Four Greensboro North Carolina Cone Health Number Five Durham North Carolina. UNC Healthcare number six Albuquerque New Mexico Presbyterian healthcare services number seven Fort Collins Colorado UC Health Rate Provo Utah Inter Mountain Number Nine Reno Nevada renown health and ten Omaha Nebraska C. H. I. Health Not surprisingly some of our largest cities were least concentrated that is most competitive including New York Philadelphia and Chicago also among the most competitive cities were Washington. DC Riverside California and Miami Florida the researchers found a modest but statistically significant positive association between market concentration in price price for example Salt Lake City had the six largest increase in inpatient prices and the seventh largest increase in market concentration other cities cities like Memphis Tennessee showed no correlation between price and market concentration. The researchers wrote quote although consistent with previous literature our our analysis does not necessarily show that increases in concentration caused increases in prices changes both measures could be due to many factors other than market consolidation which are related to both concentration and prices will here's what else he needs no. UW medicine multi-car health the system and life went health have partnered to form clinically integrated network known as end bright the organizations announced a news release the network based based in Seattle will design and coordinate value based care models to improve population health throughout the Pacific northwest collectively the three organizations represent fourteen hospitals hospitals more than sixty five hundred providers and more than six hundred outpatient sites of Care Dr Christopher Kunama President and CEO of umbreit bright said quote. We're exploring shared savings and shared risk models that are aligned with mutually agreed standards for the delivery of care and quote Santa Fe and Abbott or collaborating to integrate their diabetes related technologies by Integrating Glucose Sensing and insulin delivery technologies the to Pharma giants hoped to simplify how people with diabetes manage their disease. Santa Fe is developing connected insulin pens or smart pens that have of a memory feature and can be paired with APPs and cloud software which are also under development at Sanofi the partnership will enable data sharing with users consent between Sanofi's technology and abbots freestyle libra mobile APP and cloud software companies anticipate being able to offer the new products within the next few two years Blue Shield of California is testing ride q. a rideshare program launched by the Blue Cross Blue Shield Institute last year in the Sacramento. Oh area initially thousand blue shield members have been enrolled they can book a ride with lifts to and from pre-approved medical appointments at no extra charge for now eligible destinations include Primary Care Providers and radiology and laugh is Saudis affiliated with hill physicians in Elk Grove or Galt Ride Q. is also being piloted in Pittsburgh New Orleans and Chicago Tennessee has proposed switching. It's Medicaid funding ending to a block grant if cms approves the plan Tennessee could become the first state to move to a block grant system for Medicaid the state would receive a fix them. I'm from the federal government estimated seven point nine billion dollars based on previous years Medicaid spending currently there are no caps on federal federal funding for State Medicaid Programs Tennessee's proposal includes a funding floor or minimum amount the federal government would provide as well as per capita adjustment adjustment should enrollment girl of note any savings would be shared by the state and the federal government the proposal also asks the Tennessee be exempted did from any new federal mandates on eligibility were covered benefits during the course of black rat the public comment period ends on October eighteenth and Tennessee Hennessy must submit its medicaid waiver application to cms by November twentieth barriers such as access to timely data are slowing the shift to risk based contracts recent survey of hospital and Health System leaders shows Medicare continues to be the primary catalyst for transitioning into risk based payment arrangements. Even though less than twenty percent of the respondents said that more than half of their population was covered by Medicare fee for service risk-based arrangements arrangements taking all types into account most of the respondents said that less than twenty percent of their population was covered in a risk based arrangement other other barriers preventing the shift include inadequate reimbursement lack of timely accurate and standardized data and matters such as changes in performance benchmarking in stark law changes that need to be addressed through legislation the survey was conducted by Premier in August Novo Nordisk announced announced that rebellious or some glue tied and oral. Gop One receptor agonists for the treatment of type. Two diabetes has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration the company said rebels this is the first and only glue kitchen light peptide one or GOP. One analog pill has been studied in ten pioneer clinical trials that included ninety five hundred participants and featured head to head studies of rebels versus Geneva giants and Victoria Company said that in pioneer trials rebellious produced a one C the and as a secondary endpoint showed reductions in body weight. That's all for this week from all of our when research group thanks for listening if you haven't yet done so please rate and review healthcare rounds wherever you listen to podcasts healthcare rounds is produced by Deanna Nicola Jr and engineered by Andrew Roja The music John Murcillo Darwin Research Group provides abides advanced market intelligence and in-depth customer insights to healthcare executives are strategic focus is on healthcare delivery systems and the global shift towards value based care to learn more about us

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Survivor: Islands of Ink BrantSteele with Mike Bloom and Jessica Liese

Rob Has a Podcast

2:30:07 hr | 5 months ago

Survivor: Islands of Ink BrantSteele with Mike Bloom and Jessica Liese

"This very special episode of Rob, a podcast where we are going to do a brand steel simulations and determine what Tattoo Mike Bloom is about to get is sponsored by our friends over at bet online. There's no shortage of action going on with our exclusive partners. Bet Online Dot AG, although they don't have any odds on what Tattoo Mike Bloom is going to get. Sports are slowly making their way back with UFC. NASCAR and soccer leading the way and line has all the best odds in lines, the upcoming Games and matches. If you need more online has simulated NFL NBA. You have see happening everyday. Live you to check out and you're looking for something else. Other than sports, but online also has hundreds of live casino. Games poker tournaments and all the best props in the business visit, but online at eight or use your mobile. Mobile device enjoy now to receive your new welcome. Mona, start playing today bed online your online wagering experts, bizarre good friends, exclusive partner podcast one bed online advantage of the best bonuses in the business sign up for free and make sure he's that Promo Code podcast one for your sign up bonus visit, but online dot ag and don't forget that Promo Code podcast one sign bonus, but align your online sportsbook experts. What's going on? Rob Sister Nino here and this is a very special presentation, and that we have for you as we are about to engage in survivor islands of. And perhaps the most high stakes podcast we've ever done here on. Rob Has a podcast because one man at the end of this podcast is going to learn which tattoo is going on his body permanently. Here is the man of the hour. Give it up for my boo Hoo. I realized rob. We played our own little drinking game on the GP. To commemorate may be our hundredth episode and I realized I picked the wrong time to drink on Mike because it is very much more for this occasion. On what the outcome is of this brain steal? This is truly when the reality has set in for me. Not when we initially proposed the idea when the goal was reached, not even when we cast this I'm staring in the face of what will be on my body for the rest of my life I. Don't know how to feel about it. I thought you were going to say that. You picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue. Exactly I'll. I'll pass out as tape. But. Yeah, this is I. I still cannot believe this is happening. I am in utter disbelief that I think we have reached peak off season slash twenty twenty, Zany nece. Ninety Quite literally. Zany s because we're decided to go on here. Okay, and of course, the woman who put all things together to make this happen. Please welcome the ink master of the island of ink. Here is the Great Jessica Lease, just our you. Rob I am thrilled and honored to have contributed to this crucial important work in these important times. Okay, this is so exciting I I'm nervous. I, that I. I can't imagine how you are because I'm like almost sweating I mean this is absolute panic. This is the most share stricken with absolute terror I think I've ever been with the microphone in front of my face. I totally agree with you not to Besmirch you know attempting to name. Or possibly set up soulmates but I do believe this is the most high stakes podcast that has been done, and perhaps will ever be done in the history of rob has a podcast to be a part of that history is very flattering and very very joyful, but on the other hand depending on what the outcome of this is, it might be a bit of a bitter Sweet Symphony Yeah Okay in case, people are jumping in here today. What is this survivor islands of ink? Mike Bloom back during the final feedback show of survivor forty when we were talking about how Denise Stapley got survivor Tattoo Mike was able to very generously proposed that if we had gotten the amount of money, raised by the listeners, rob a podcast from twenty, one thousand, some odd dollars to twenty three thousand dollars. That then the he would get a survivor tattoo on his body. The audience return serve easily. And the ball was back in my blooms court so Mike was a man of his word, and we began accepting submissions for what would be one of the things that would go into a brand steel to be put onto Mike. Blooms Body Jessica Lease curated those submissions. We talked about them two weeks ago on our survivor islands of ink casting special. We've narrowed it down to fifteen potential tattoos and one no tattoo selection. They have been loaded into a brand steel of survivor China and that is what we are here to simulate today Mike. Have I left anything out? I don't think so. I realized that I probably should have brought in Angelina to help with my negotiation skills, but it came to send a golden goose for the donations because I. Think when you when you're the numbers. I realized my folly here, but yeah, I mean this is this. Is it finally? This is going to happen now again. This is not going to the results. Probably will not happen immediately. It depends on the. RSM were able to find the of course all the safety. Safety, standards being complied and all that, but yeah, this is the big important step until they are actually the first survivor. Tattoo and the. I had to period to be inked on my skin. It but I also know I would not be here without the support of Jessica, who really was a fantastic gatekeeper for a lot of silly and stupid ideas to make it through, and considering the cast that we have that does say something has to the ones that didn't ultimately get picked. Yeah well Mike I have to say I think you're bars a lot higher than my bar where this is concerned, but I'm glad that we were able to narrow it down to a brealey tight batch of sixteen contenders, any of which you should be proud to have on your body okay. Jessica that you and I had been talking in our last. Conversation offline about something else special that we wanna do concerning the winning Tattoo here today. On Yup, we have decided that Mike Bloom should not necessarily be the only person that ever gets a design on his body but Mike. Bloom is clearly the only person crazy enough to have one of these designs on his body forever. So what we're going to do after we run this simulation today, the winning tattoo goes on Mike Bloom and it also goes to a printer to be made into temporary tattoos along with everyone's personal favourite. I think the one we're all rooting for WHITTINGTON. And we will have these two designs I'm available for purchase in the store in a two pack, and all proceeds are going to go to direct relief. Okay, all right, so Mike, that may be your biggest contribution to charity will be. The proceeds from these ten. Tattoos com out of this podcast and we will have those very soon. They are not up available to purchase yet. But we will have those available for people to buy, and we'll be able to donate all the proceeds from that to direct relief dot org to continue to supply P P for doctors and nurses, so mike a your original gesture continues to. Live on that is Harry. Forward and just to be clear, though if we reach a certain donation mark with those donations I don't need to do anything else, right. There's author like bonus goal! Achieved, if we reach a certain milestone, you have to put the other temporary tattoo on your face. That's. Yes I mean listen. We're not going outside much these days. There is a time to get a face tattoo time to do so. Optimal time for a temporary face tattoo at least yeah, yeah, okay anything else just that we need to set up ahead of time. I think so and honestly if you haven't listened to the casting special yet. That is definitely worth your time, but I would say you probably do not need to have listened to the casting special to get into what we're about to get into. We'll tell you who's here will also be recording this brant steal. You're listening to the Audio version of this. You can go check out. The full video of what is about to transpire at rob has a website dot com slash youtube a quick plug. The three of us will be back together starting next week to Mike Bloom is. Certifiably a tough guy. He is getting a tattoo. Very. He's very much qualified to be on the panel of hosts covering the brand new CBS reality series tough as nails premiering next Wednesday night July eighth, and we will have full recaps of that series as it launches next week, so be on the lookout for our recap of the tough as nails premier next week on our H. A. P. Alright. So Mike. Can you tell us a little bit about your the brand steel master? Can you about? How you divided the tribes here today in this survivor China, simulation randomly no discernible relationships or ICONOGRAPHY, or any sort of balance, whatsoever in honor of the brand steel itself I simply through them all into you know a team generator and just divided them up eight eight. We're going with survivor China because not only is this. A sixteen person cast not only does this involve hidden immunity idols, but you know what it's sorta proper. You just talked about survivor China on your wiggling time series, and also look at Jack Sheppard had to go to Thailand. Thailand to get his tattoo in lost, I should be able to go to China to get my own instead of survivor Thailand. Yes. I was surprised that we did not have any mentions of Chinese characters that just not sure, if those had been submitted, but I used to joke around about when I was in the very early stages of my survivor fan back in two thousand. My friend Floyd and I talked about that. We would get outwit outplay outlast in Chinese characters as a tattoo. I believe Todd Herzog actually did get. That has a tattoo. I think todd hers allowed to get that. Yeah, sure anybody else's. Very deep in the year two thousand. Yeah well, we know better now. Okay all right. Just. Anything Else USA before we meet our tribes. One more question slash announcement, and this is something I've just GonNa take a Straw poll here We did make a great logo for this concept that I think we got a lot of great reception on an I certainly enjoyed making it. I'M GONNA have to mix judgments to it. If we wanted to do this, but please get at me. If you think you'd like that logo on merchandise somehow and I will tweak it just enough so that we don't get sued by anybody. ooh Good! Do Three one with the temporary tat. Then if you WANNA, throw that one in why not? Yeah, why not okay all right? We'll work that all out on the production of the temporary tattoos right Mike. Let's meet our two tribes indoor, and let go endure. Tribe is going to be wearing red like the failed long tribe Mike, who is on the endure tribe well first. Let me say that. Of course I named the tribes endure unlike honor of the Great Denise Stapley, who recently appeared on with you rob but. Is inspired me to make the proclamation possibly regretfully. That that has put us in this situation now. Yes, the endured tribe to start it is the Dharma survivor logo. It is some sort of Dharma station symbol with some sort of whether it's a torch or the phrase outwit outplay outlast not in Chinese characters in the center of it of course, commemorating my duality of love for both lost and survivor. We have a lemon tree, which is a reference more so to a moment. Moment from survivor Fiji that has been immortalized by the survivor historians, particularly our editor at the time shut up Tim, but also happens to be a reference to one of my favorite simpsons episodes of all time. We have the heel of this season quite literally in involves a he'll. We threw in an option here. Where if this option called? No Tattoo wins a I. Do not get a Tattoo and be whoever finishes runner-up. Put on a pair of socks. I would wear instead, so let's say it's Eh more temporary version of getting something on your body. That does not involve any sort of needles except maybe sewing needles. We also have I. Jess has tested to I'd imagine this is sort of the big villain going into Saturday, but I'm telling you that the that every round that not to advances that people will become more and more nervous. There is great drama here today. Yeah, natural stakes coming in here and we love stakes NAM NAM. The QR code is coming. It's this is a little bit of explanation. If you haven't listened to the previous podcast, but please advocate sent us this idea where essentially they allow these from spotify perspective of Qr Code from an audio perspective that if you scan directs you to that audio clamp, and so we thought it would be a fun idea where if someone asks of course the question. Where did you get that Tattoo? Tattoo, or what does it mean? You literally have the ability to say, just scan the thing on my body, and it will click back to either the podcast where I made the silly declaration to rob, or perhaps this podcast declared the winner, and that's your answer there and also maybe direct to another more meaningful piece of audio. WHO's to say it's definitely open-ended. Just mentioned him before here he is everyone's favorite a dapper. Thirsk Winnington as immortalised by Robin myself a few years ago, apparently exactly a bowl of soup in honor of the RH APA BNB, and when I went on my first survivor preseason trip, and proceeded to ask every one of these future castaways. What bowl of soup? They were a great design from not. From Sean Anelle the torch with the phrase, the adventure of a lifetime of snaking around at very great design, and finally to finish off the endured tribe just produce immortal phrase worth playing for this is sort of a mockup design that just made up, but it'd be some sort of phraseology of worth playing for on my body. Okay, all right. Wearing yellow, the let go. Tribe is also here. Let's meet the members of the let go. Tribe Mike All Right so I? This is another thing that was immortalized in one of our feedback show rob the five piece puzzle that made a return in survivor Cambodia, and arguably in another universe, beat Francesca Hogi in survivor season somewhere down the line. We have the floor. Did don't Call Me Jessica lease. Symbol that was had its own moment in the sun in survivor winners, AD war when Adam Klein tried to pry off of Jeff probst podium speaking of other survivor moments. We have the image from the merge fees from survivor David vs Goliath a fun colorful clue that made such an effect that someone on this panel at made it into merchandise. Previously, we have quite simply the phrase outwit outplay outlast again. No foreign symbols involved, but I believe the plan would be to get that in some fashion in a band around my arm. We have the phrase. Pick the Mike Up. which is a deviation on window? Holland's great put the mic down Bro in honor of the various times I do pick Mike Up. Probably some symbolically involved. We have another great work from Sean. Yet this is the season thirty nine idol that I picked out preseason that was purposely the junkiest idol in survivor history that was used to great effect by Jamal on Nora. We have probably the most dubious. Thing on here I guess besides from no Tattoo. The option that I'm least rooting for the barely squeaked onto the cast speaking Lama. We still haven't figured out what it is, but some sort of variation of speaking Lama and finally a survivor logo mash up. That includes iconography from as close to all forty seasons as possible. There was one that was made by Gordon homes. That CBS is used as well. It might take a little bit more. Work does end up getting adopted, but of course it's a survivor season. It's got to have a logo in it somewhere. Okay all right so the tribes are set the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step Mike. Let's begin and see how everything plays out Michael are. You feeling okay. Heading into this at the moment, just because the unexpected in front of us I feel like as the options narrow down more. That's when you realize there's sixteen that's fine. I'm sure something I like it's going to be in here, but the more at narrows down. The more those options limit I guess going in. We should probably go around the table and say maybe not a winner pick, but who were most rooting for as an option, Jess. I can assume you're throwing your weight behind Whittington. I feel like Sir Quitting Tin is the most fun tattoo option out here. It's the. It's a great idea that I think people would look at it, and they know what it is even if they don't wash survivor I think from legibility standpoint. Squirting is both your cutest most fun and most explainable idea but I would also throw. I would also throw a little bit of love behind this season thirty nine idol I think it's the most personal to you. Mike and I think it's I think it's the most creative I think it's the one that only you could get this tattoo so i. feel like that is also got to be a fan favorite by Mike in a recent interview that I did with Jamal. Jamal suggested that his hand also be included in holding up. Thirty nine idol, we're GONNA. Talk about that offline that the case guy to say that was Jamal's. She's little. Participated there. What about you rob? What are what are you? What are you rooting for here? I like the five piece puzzle. Piece puzzle is interesting. It is does not scream. That is like bizarre, usual and I think that. Is An interesting design I like that is part of a moment that we shared on the podcast so. I feel like that. The five piece puzzle is an interesting one I'm running for I think five dollars could be a good one I will support my wife who are very much in support of the outwit outplay outlast, and also the torch idea shelter I. Think the Qr Code is another like really fun. Creative thing to do 'cause that could be doesn't even necessarily need to be you know when the winner is declared, it could be a moment. Maybe one of the aforementioned moments from quitting tenor, the five piece puzzle that could be referenced, so I would say there's like a good handful in here that I'm thrilled about. There's a good chunk of them that I'm okay with, and there are a few that I am seriously regretting even including on this cast, but that's the that's I suppose well. Should one of those win that the option still there for there to be a a redesign of said like what you are seeing here on. The screen is not necessarily what will go onto my blooms body. Conceptual in every case. I sketched some out because I liked the idea of visualizing what these would look like, but these are just avatars and I believe Angela. Bloom also said she would like to have some input into the design of whatever the final selection is to outweighed outplay outlast I pulled it from like a T. spring site I. believe the final product should it win will not look like it's been through the washing machine. Yes, okay, so this is basically adjusts the representation of an idea and not necessarily the final idea. Okay, so let's go ahead and get to day. One of survivor islands of ink, and so we get to see some alliances early on here. This is over here on the endure tribe. We haven't alliance between no tattoo, the bowl of soup and the torch, a strong alliances that Mike Yeah okay I'm feeling alright about this. You know I could imagine. These are all sort of like inanimate objects, and so they'd want to band together from a certain perspective, other things here are more lively and they know that they have a propensity to maybe get picked off, so they don't want to be the bottom feeders. They WanNa make sure that they take the power immediately, but they're not the only ones forming a powerful trio in this tribe just as a second alliance here between the lemon tree serse, quitting and the worth playing for logo. I feel like this is the alliance that I'm going to be rooting for I. See these two sides going at it against each other, but I mean for one thing. No Tattoo knows that he's coming into this game with the biggest target on his back so obviously he's got loyalty nine to whoever will take him but this. This is the good guys this is. This is the group that we're going to be. They'RE GONNA BE GETTING THE OT edit and we're going to be really excited. Excited to see them proceed, and we're going to be very sad. If one of them falls okay over on the let go tribe. We have some alliances going on there. We have an alliance between the floor. Deli the merge feasts note and speaking Lama another strong alliance. My Yeah I'm a little surprised that Lama was able to get in so quickly considering I imagine there's some of communication difficulties right considering that one can only communicate in Lama and the other two might have some difficulty translating. Experienced I'll Caspian. Are. Begins I four personalized between the outwit outplay last logo pick the Mike up the season, thirty nine idol and the survivor logo mash up. I have to say this is not looking good for five piece puzzle win. Miami's puzzle is on the outs right now, rob. Yes, okay all right. Let's go to our first immunity challenge here in survivor China and Mike if I recall correctly. This is one where you have to carry the heavy dragon through the maze. Yes, I believe so I, guess, we'll try to adapt these two I don't know. Maybe just has more a thoughts about ink master challenges that might pertain to this considering how we're able to translate tattoo ideas into survivor challenge. Let's see the tribe. Going to our first tribal council is going to be the indoor try, but going to tribal council as the let go tribe wins immunity break for the five piece puzzle, the maybe not so much of a break, though 'cause they win, flint and I believe five puzzle is the most flammable yes. Merely necklace looks a little flammable also. The paper that the thirty-seven seven mercury snow. Just say okay all right. Let's go to the beaches and see what's going on. Perhaps the immunity idols will be found and might shake up this I tribal council, so we will go to the indoor tribe and sure enough. The Dharma survivor logo has found the idol without a clue. This is very impressive. It makes sense actually believed the Dharma survivor logo did receive a secret video. From Jeff PROBST, wearing a lab, describing what an immunity idol is and where to find. It was a little bit of inside Intel, but yet dahmer survivor local is a believe that logo is one of two that was not involved in those endured tribe. Initial dynamics, so if it was on the outside, it just found a way it. Yeah, and also just on top of that the. Logo is also becoming appreciated around the camp. I think people are just are just pleased with its simplicity and. Clearly Knows where all of the secret hatches are all over the island, I can I can see it i. think that is Dermot. Survivor logo to hatch much like Tony as to the spy. Nests slash bunker is hiding places around camp, and that's why it was not in an alliance initially. Do you think it was hiding in the place on the signpost where the immunity idol was found exactly like look for the bats That's the symbol for the hatch that determines logos in. Down there like eating all the secret cereal stash like Hurley All right that could be like a charene. Will situation also all right, so let's go to what is going on over on the Let go tribe as they have an easy night ahead of them. No Tribal Council, okay. Five piece puzzle was on the outs. Has the idol? Man What a turnaround episode for the five feet, that's very like Aubrey Bronco and episode one like had their Hashtag survivor meltdown, but becomes the hero in the challenge, and then comes around five that this is the pricing, though because rob. If you remember and I believe this will be implemented in future episodes, survivor China had the whole kidnapping thing where you know you, someone from the losing tribe was sent over to the winning tribe and given a clue to the idol that they had to get to. Somebody seems like on both tribes they are a bypass that, and both these tribes straight up hand it and happened to find the item without any clues. They skipped it and just. There is a very similar look to the five piece puzzle and the survivor China immunity idol. Maybe, that's maybe that's why it happened this way. This is because five piece puzzle knew what to look for. That particular activating system except for yourself just Erkan. Yeah, somebody might accidentally play the five piece puzzle as the survivor trying to. James Picking them both the now he has two of them again. Okay all right meanwhile. The outwit outplay outlast in the season. Thirty nine idol have a minor fight. interesting. Those are those are two in camp so I'm not I'm not happy about that I. Hope There's not too big of a schism formed between these two. Okay, all right tribal council number, one one of these tattoos will be eliminated from consideration for being a permanent part of Mike. Blooms body will find out in our first tribal council Mike. Who Do you think is potentially out here? Okay well. I'm trying to think I think the only one that was not in an alliance was the QR. Qr Code so I think there might be a chance to see the. Qr Code is the food here, but there's also a chance. We have to alliances of three. If they possibly strike at each other, that could be very interesting. I would not be surprised if one of those six goes as well, but I think my gut is telling me if it's an easy I, but it's got gotta be Qr Code here and hopefully, if it's Dharma, it does not go home with the islands. Line, not pocket, Jess, do you see somebody who is sorely sticking out? Well honestly I think. I think Mike. Has It right? It's it's hard to say whether these two alliances are going to target each other out of the gate or if they're going to band together and pick off the easier targets. For me, I feel like I'm going to start to understand where I have my deepest loyalties as these tattoos get eliminated and I have to confront the real. You know the. The very real truth that this is not going on Mike Blooms. Body and I think I will be sadder about some of these than others, and it might be anyone which one is going to make me. The saddest wants the vote. Start flying. We'll know how we truly feel okay. We're still all future. No Past, okay, let's see how the votes shakeout on vote number one. Okay, the. Logo has the try buydell. There will not be an idol. Play to all the votes will count our first vote here in survivor, islands of ink goes to no tax do. Oh second vote no tattoo. Interesting. No Tattoo three votes. Oh my God because SPF slam dunk. Lemon tree. Lemon tree interest, lemon tree, no tattoo. That's four votes not. Lemon tree. Come on, come back about lemon tree. Now it's going to be a time. Lemon tree we are tied. Her. Vote is a tie in the first vote of the season four votes for no tattoo, four votes for lemon tree. Okay, so in this case we're GONNA HAVE A. Lemon tree and Tattoo will not vote the other six will, if things stick the way that they will, we may have rock draw in the first vote of a survivor season here. Yes, okay. Rock draw to me is worst case scenario here because I would love to see no tattoo or lemon tree? Get knocked out. That's say like it. No Tattoo ends up surviving talk. Draw like survivor. Phantom is going to be steaming right now Mike. Are you rooting for not to? It's tough because like I feel like. It's a bit of a cop out but I also I get your point before that the more it stays in the more drama it creates. It's really weighing. Weighing those two ideas in my head, I would not like it to win. Obviously, but I would not like it to be first boot. I wanted to stick around just enough to that mid burge point where then once it gets booted, we'll all have a sense of satisfaction without needing to watch at the entire season. Okay, all right are revote is happening. Okay all right? There will be six votes here in the revote. No Tattoo and lemon tree will not vote I vote. No Tattoo No Tattoo. Lemon tree. Lemon Tree God tied again. Lemon, Lemon tree no tattoo. We are going to rocks on the very first vote of survivor classic brand steel. Survivor deadline illness. The first vote! We are deadlocked so now. No Tattoo and lemon tree cannot be voted out. The other six tattoos will choose a rock in randomly. One will be eliminated. Okay, this is this could be. We could lose something good here. I really pissed off. If Sir squirting gets brought out of the game on the first vote Okay all right Oh. My God my heart is racing, and for different reason it was racing. Before all right. We have tie. We will have a rock. Draw the person that draws the. White Rock in this simulation, but the one one tattoo will get knocked out here via rock. Whoever does the Purple Rock will leave okay here we go. Let's go into our bag of rocks and the Purple Sock won't draw the Purple Rock in this case. The Tattoo that is eliminated is. The torch. The tried has spoken the adventure of a lifetime after his over. Match Premier Torch. Yourself do you snap it or does, or does that feel demeaning to this to the torch? Okay Mike. How're you feeling? I'm feeling a little depressed again. This report of Mike Camp of favorites, going in with one less and with things like You know speaking Lama still in the game. Lessons and lessons the window of hope for me that being said from an entertainment perspective that Wild Lima. Just is one of your favorites the torch. This is one of my favorites, and this is a bummer. I feel like torch really had a lot to give to this competition, and I was I was hoping to see it. Burn for a lot longer. Yeah. Torch wasn't one of my favorites until we have a lot of torches, we have a lot of logos without play a laughs. I feel like it's a lot of like similar themes, so I feel like if we're GONNA lose one of them I. I'm okay with that. Yeah, although Shawn's are, it was really beautiful. A tremendous job, so that that from that standpoint, it is a bummer well. Let's see how everybody voted to. Raising. Okay, let's see. We had the Dharma logo voting for the lemon tree. Also we had the torch and the soup voting for the lemon tree and no tattoo that was that was one group and remember that was so basically that alliance. Guy Don Dharma survivor logo on board or maybe new Dr Survivor logo is going to vote for lemon tree and just picked it up as vote to force a tie here. And, then on the other side of things, we had the lemon tree, the bar code serse, Whittington and worth playing for all deadlocked for not to. Are We surprised that he broke the tie considering that again. This is the first vote of the game at least somebody, but want to pull Evita's and flipped their vote to make sure they didn't go home via. Arguably torch should have done it right because they wouldn't be out at the they just voted for not. This is a divided group. Mike that there was no-one mediation that could be done to settle the differences between these eight tattoos I suppose, but now the question is though I mean you would think arguably okay, the four that. Voted together and survived I guess. This was I guess that was like the WITTINGTON alliance is going to prevail, but again now it's like three two and still two rogue agents so I think anything is still possible, even if this group immediately goes back to tribal council all right, let's see episode number two here of survivor islands of the ink, fifteen tattoos are laughter, fourteen tattoos and a pair of socks Oh. Let's see how the alliance's Shakeout to that tribal council, so with the torch out of the mix we are down to an alliance just between no tattoo and the bowl of soup, meanwhile, the lemon tree Sir squinting ten and worth playing for have all stuck together. Who was the fourth vote? Just you remember. I'm Qr. Code was the fourth. Yes they have not been formally issued a invitations of the alliance. LA BY LEMON TREES, most loyal to right because lemon tree was saved by. Virtue of Qr Code is really hard to read at this point. Trust him fully right? Okay, let's check out over on the let go tribe where things are everything. Has Been Standing Pat? We have the floor to lead the merged fees note and speaking Lama in an alliance outwit. I'll play it last the microphone. The season's done idol and the logo art, an alliance and the five piece puzzle is no alliance, but has be hidden immunity idol. Let's go to our reward challenge for the first time here in survivor islands of the ink, and we see that it is let go tribe, winning fishing year and a fishing boat, and they also kidnapped the worth playing for logo to get a clue to the idol this. There was a total misconception here we're. Jeff asks with the reward challenge worth playing for and that's. The idea into the other be like okay I guess, take worth playing for. It's a real who's on first situation. Yes, okay, let's go to our immunity challenge now and in our immunity challenge, this tiny indoor tribe wins immunity and let go tribal go to their first tribal council here in episode number two back on the beach. We know the Dharma. Survivor logo has the endure tribe idol. Worth. Playing for a has the clue to set idol and. We're playing. Is share the clue with the Dharma Survivor logo? So maybe an alliance could be formed here. Yeah, I mean. It's interesting. Because worth playing for Dharma of survivor voted against worth playing for July alliance. Somebody worth playing for feels like okay. We're not out of the woods yet. Let's try to. Secrete a majority here, but Dharma survivor load secrete a majority yes I. Am Majority Dope secrete insured. Gross. This is. Success WITTINGTON secret. But this is underrated stealthy game for the survivor. Look. I can imagine they're playing pretty done to be like. Wow, there's an idol I had no idea with an idol here when really it has the idol in its pocket, the entire time and Survivor logo out, too because he can be like Oh. Yeah, that clue. You gave a super effective look I got an idol. Okay meanwhile, not Tattoo and worth playing for our bonding slightly okay. All right that makes sense. They're part of an alliance I think no tattoo is starting to really get to know where playing for another survived the size. Now I vote. They're trying to finally get to know each other I'm a little confused. Worth playing four is is from the other tribe. No He's from this tribe crime. He was kidnapped over to the other tribe between challenges okay. We got the clue all right got it. All, right, let's see. Let's see what good's going on the other tribe. This is a little confusing with all these icons. Okay, meanwhile over on the let go tribe. We see no idol hidden, and now the let go. Alliance is a medium strength alliance alliance of four things fell apart a little bit. Maybe it's because now. They're finally going to travel council. You'd think they have like. The whole like a pretty good show cold of the tribe. At this point, the majority's nearly secreted here. What unfortunately I think! Maybe they're trusting. Each other is growing less than less and less, and that's what's causing them to not necessarily be in lockstep for this vote. For each other starting to dry up. A little bit is what you're saying exactly. All right, so let's go to tribal council number. Two a one of these players will be voted out of the tribe here. Five piece puzzle Florida early season thirty seven logo out. Play it last. Pick the Mike Up Season. Thirty nine immunity idol, Talking Lama or the survivor Logo Mash Up. I feel like we do not have a lot to work off. Yeah I mean I think the only thing is again. Five piece puzzle is the only one that's not an alliance, but we just saw last episode. That could amount to nothing. Really it could be anybody here. Okay? Just you strong feeling. I think it's anybody's game. I feel like the alliance of four will probably win the day, but who knows okay alright. Let's see what happened other vote. Vote ends up being a tie vote for the rest of the game. Be Tricky, very tricky. Five piece puzzle has the tribe. Idol is going to play the tribe idol. Fight. Coming its way is playing the idol so any votes for the five piece. Puzzle Will Not Count Okay. I vote. Five piece puzzles does not count. My. Five piece puzzle not count. Pick the Mike Up. Oh! Speaking Lama. Oh, Yeah Yeah Kim. The Lama that's both speaking Llama. Speaking Lama. The tribe has spoke in Mike. You get off the hook. A Lama has spoken. Dodged that bullet. Yes, I have a lost of favorite, but I also lost one. That is less than a favorite. Yeah, I'm happy I'm happy that this looks like looks like five piece puzzle played the idol when he didn't need to interestingly enough. Three four three one vote. The four people I ended up the alliance before voting for the Lama. I think this alliance of three border for five piece puzzle and the. Puzzle voted for. The other one who got the one vote? The might Mike Up. Could also be an attempt to flush an idol Okay, it seems like you're right. Rob Vice did indeed vote for pick the Mike, up looks like the Alliance of Flirty Lee merged feace note, and the Llama voted for the puzzle, and then the other four. which were the outplay outlast? Let's just call triple, maybe easy simple. Oh I like that triple pick the Mike up the thirty nine. Yeah, ooh, I like that okay. Cubed pick the Mike up the season thirty nine idol of voted for the Lama, so you. Were able to get the majority by scattering the other four and sort of cementing its place in the tribe right now. Okay, all right, so the Lama has spoken. It will not be on your body. Thank God because we. We still didn't figure out what it was like that. If it did win, this'll be by far the biggest mystery from this moment to when it actually ends up on my body, so I'm happy. We don't have to do too much work offline. Okay all right I. mean if that had one, I would have had to actually come up with some real concept art to and now nobody has to do that off your plate. Okay, final fourteen here we go all right. We're down to seven and seven here in survivor, islands of ink, and we have still the same alliances going on over on the tribe chat to. This alliance soup and socks, soup, socks or no suit. No Comma Soup for you. We're. We're going into the more, grammatically interesting. Soup and socks is a little work. Just fine, okay? Lemon tree, the squid and worth playing for our. Creator God Okay all right then over on the other tribe, the Florida! And the merge feast now both things are indicators to point you to the direction of an idol of the Florida early in the merge fees now. They have a natural bond, and then we have the alliance of four the. The Oak, cubed pick the Mike Up. Seasons are not idle and the LOGO MASH UP alliance. Five piece puzzle is out on an island, and no no allies. No idol okay. Let's go to our reward challenge here and this time around. We have the endure tribe, winning reward, Carousel, lamp, rope, blankets, pillows and a tarp. A couple of these items probably should be careful around the kerosene. Yeah I would definitely say. Don't pile them up altogether, but I can imagine. The rainy environment has been a little tough. I know that Sir. Squirting temporarily thrives in it and everyone was looking hungrily to the bowl of soup at a certain point, but this endured. Try again for being so scattered brain in the first vote, just one the past two challenges. Okay, they will steal the season. Thirty nine idol to logistically gets an actual idol. Yes, okay, all right. Season during a back with his original tribes, child gets a clue to the idol might be the stupidest sentence I. Know. It's the stupidest until he find I lost. Yes, okay, all right I'd like to play myself you WANNA play yourself. Yes, can I do that? Okay. I have a question. When you were setting this up. Did you gender all of these tattoos? Are they all masculine? They're all randomly generated genders, so we shall see. A foreign language, some of these inanimate objects will be female, gender. Okay, let's see I do I. Do not remember this point, so you're good as mine. Okay all right We have our third immunity challenge here. The endure tribe is going to win immunity this time around I mean it makes sense right. This was the one where I believe the when that Courtney struggle within the actual China's season, they had to chop through ropes using a ton serfs, quitting ten alone was a piece in this challenge. Yeah. All those arms came in handy all right. Let's go back to the beach and see what's going on all right. So the Dharma logo has the title we have our alliance, which is now a medium strength alliance between the secretive. The lemon tree serves Whittington and worth playing for. ooh, that's not good a remember. They had the majority. Their alliance ended up winning out in that first vote. I guess the more time they're spending away from tribal council, the more they're going to mistrust each other, and maybe regretting voting together in that first vote, okay, meanwhile at the other tribe season nine. has a clue to the idol. And now as. Adult does not share the clue with the rest of the tribe and also rubbing the tribe the wrong way. Now season thirty nine idol might get blindsided real quick coming back from the group, and like not opening up whatsoever about what happened on the other tribes Susan thirty nine idol is drawing a huge target around its neck. All right normally a goes around people's necks, so this is a very small idol that would. Raise hence why he wants his hand to be on my body, but. Okay all right. Let's go to tribal council number three. This time around the five piece puzzle Florida Lee the season thirty, nine, thirty seven merged clue. Triple Cube of Batat pick the Mike Up. Thirty nine for full cubes. Cubed and then we have the survivor logo mashups. Somebody who's going home just do you think the floor or the season? Thirty seven merged? Clue are in the hot seat tonight. It's. It's hard to say rob. If I had put money on, it I would say five piece puzzle is in trouble. He drew votes last time and Cardinal Houses back earned off the idol, yeah! Okay I know he's been able to solve his way out of this conundrum but I. Guess we're GonNa. Find Out I will say that I. Think if anybody from this this majority four are drawing votes. It's probably seen thirty nine idol right I could imagine how the others are disgruntled at season, thirty nine idol, and so they decided to throw some way and be like come on, vote along with us like they're annoying. Right sort of like survivor one world how Nina tried to unsuccessfully mounted a campaign to get rid of cat when cabinets pretty entrenched majority alliance I do not think that the the idols anywhere anytime soon. Okay, let's see where we go from here. Let's get to our vote. I vote the five piece puzzle. Five piece puzzle again? How? I called it. Pick the Mike Up. Oh interesting five piece puzzle! Five puzzle charges John. Unanimous okay spy of six to one. The piece puzzle has been. It's been eliminated wow spencer. been a thing like you know, even even though the majority four was like. Hey, we got one of your allies, but like plenty puzzled pretty sketchy right just sort of going all over the place finding aisles that nobody knew about. We should just get rid of them and make for a stronger try, despite the fact that the five puzzles probably the best one at puzzles right just due to its nature. Yeah. At solving puzzles, you would think it really depends on how self aware five piece puzzle is 'cause. Five piece puzzle might not be good at puzzles because he's never really examined what it's like to be puzzle Okay all right. Let's get down now. We are thirteen are left. Let's go to round number four. Okay, here we are. Seven members are left of the endure tribe, only six in the let go to endorse really like Kasai ing it right now of despite being the more dysfunctional tribe has been able to get the numbers over the go tribe Anish to endure. This'll be the lowest letting go of members. This'll be last vote before we have a bit of a tribe swap coming up here in the next round. The play all right. Let's go to our alliances. Soup and socks? They're still together. The secrete the lemon trees are going to and worth playing for are still together in an alliance. We have still Florida and the thirty seven emerge feast note, and then the big four of Trepelo. Pick the my cup. Seasons are done idol logo mash up there also alliance afford. This lines needs a name to Jus-. Yeah, but I I'm not sure what we would call it teen. Mike it broke up in an episode from now, so we might want to put a lid on it until I. Actually sticking together, let's see all right. Let's go to our reward. Challenge this time around and. This is going to be that night-time challenge where we're going to have like basically like a Lacrosse game of the ball on fire. Yeah, where they have to use the giant chopsticks I believe to move the big. IRA into the pots. Yes, okay, the let go. Tribe is going to win reward here. Oh Good! They got their own version of lamp ropes I didn't realize that there was so much rope kerosene, going around and survivor China each some a lot just, but they're gonNA kidnap. Whittington to come back to their camp. Well I mean he's A. He's a jolly fellow. He's a good time. I. Totally get it. I am too, I think. James Clement of this season. Like seems to be like the big challenge. Be seems to be the most vocal imagine the other tribe. Try to kidnap him to like. Get a sense as to what's going on. Yeah, okay, all right, let's get. They're going to choose to bring him over when they have their Schwab. Maybe that's immunity challenge, and and the immunity challenge. Try winning immunity their third three out of four mean the challenges one. Wow, so yeah, I mean, let go to justice. Point is really shedding. Try members at. Yes, they are really living up to their name. Okay, let's go back to the beach. Beaches into China back to camp mud huts. Okay while the Dharma survivor logo has the endure tribe idol sir. scooting does have the clue and service. Quitting team will share the clue with worth playing for okay good move worth playing for is part of the secrete irs, and I already clue before, and probably notice that the dynamics of the alliance was falling apart a bit, so they decided to share it, but I'll maybe I spoke too soon, okay. Still, medium-strength Alliance for this creators between the lemon tree, recording, thin and worth playing for. Just feeling squeezed in sort of like the glue at this point, right sort of holding people together so that he was yeah, ironically, he was the one that that had the least loyalty in the beginning. Everybody's down on his level. Okay all right. Let's go to what's going on on the let go tribe as they prepare for another tribal council. Nothing doing okay. Okay so this could be either a real straightforward thing we're either fluidly emerged. Goes here more perhaps. I mean again this. Is only a medium strength alliance. Maybe someone turns. We get a three three vote. I. Don't think so I think that seems like a stretch. I feel like the floor daily or the season thirty seven merged feasts clue. Probably is going to go home right yes. I have to think that that is the most likely outcome, but I would love to be surprised I would love for someone to go totally rogue here. Yeah, my grill, Talk. What are you rooting for? If either the merge feast clue or Florida is going out in this round. Who would you like to see gone I? Personally would like to the Fleur de Lis gone. 'cause we actually found out some info between recordings here. Here that the Fleur de Lee Bibi serves a larger purpose than we even think not only as a symbol from New Orleans, Culture French culture all that, but it's also like a good symbol that a lot of people as part of Greek life as fraternities and sororities where and looks I am a proud member of former Greek life myself, but I also feel like this would not make it very unique in that regard. I don't want to necessarily have a symbol on that. A bunch of other people who have nothing to do with survivor have on, and so from almost from being two multipurpose actually now that speaking llamas gone. This is probably my my bottom tier tattoo idea at this point. Okay going very well for you. Then Mike all right well. We'll see. Let's see how this vote goes. Let's go to our first vote and it's thirty seven. Fees Glue. Maybe the merge fees clue in the florally voted for each other Mike. Yes. It's the survivor mash up logo. Merge feast clue. Mash up logo to. Merge. Fees note and merged. Spokane. One fifth the wrong one, so that alliance before four they stuck together, they voted for the emerged feast vote presumably, and then the two things that point you to an idol ended up sticking together and put their votes on survivor mash up logo. That is the case and thus survivor logo. Survivor logo lives for another day and merge feats. Note fails to make the merge. dateable goes off into the sunset much like the picture depicts and make its own feast. Exactly this is an interesting situation now. Because now we are reaching. The next round where infamously was just covered in this week of podcast, each tribe gets to pick two people to steal from the other tribe, and because someone is now now that the the let go tribe is down to five, no matter what that alliance affords getting broken up in some way, because now it's just the alliance of four plus the third elite, four plus floor. Four floor. Let me also just add that. The merge fee Lou is cool, but I think there's no connection to Mike Bloom. There so it's just it would be a cool thing, but to me that that didn't really speak to me as a tattoo for you. It's more of like a general graphic. It's not even more of an overarching graphic like trepelo is. I have even triple O'Keefe's advancing I have some ideas. Maybe we can work with to maybe not make it so generic, whereas I do feel like the Murphys. There's not much to work with outside of that graphic. Great for a t shirt designed super colorful, very inventive use of a clue, maybe not a great tattoo, so maybe it was the best, even though it means that stupid fluidly sticking. All right, let's go to our big tribe. Up here in survivor, islands of the controversial one for sure, okay we have seven members of the indoor tribe, and we have five members of the let go tribe Mike. Do suspect that the let go. Tribe was going to now assume that they will have seven members. Yeah, they'll say Oh, my God. They have to let go of to to let go. That's why our drive is named. That makes much sense now. Yes, okay, let's go to our twist. In the twist, each tribe is asked to pick the two strongest players from the tribe. Endure tribe picks the. Triple and pick up the MIC from the let go, so that alliance of four is rocked to its core. And now it's on a tribe with the Florida so there's a chance now Florida Lee might flip and. Those other two people okay in the door. Tribe has picked the the. Let go. Tribe picks the darkness of our logo and no tattoo from the indoor tribe Mike. Are you hoping now that the let go tribal throw a challenge to vote no tattoo. Yeah, I mean that's probably an optimal thing. Right either. Vote no tattoo or vote out. Floor delete now, i. sort of feel like I might try that. i-e vested interest in especially now that triple and pick the Mike up have moved over and the other tribe that I'm relatively okay odd, but yeah. This is an interesting pick and I guess if we're talking about the dynamics on the endured tribe now. No Tattoo being missing is fine Dharma survivor logo. Missing is fine, because the secretive are still in the majority, but now soup is without socks, so that makes free agent. Soup could easily be picked up by the secretive because soup. Is itself a liquid? Good point good point events all the new look endure. Tribe is the lemon tree. Oh, cubed! Pick the Mike. The QR. Code Sir Squirting Tin, the soup and worth playing for. The soup is a popular castaway featured on the soup when it was covering survivor China. I don't know they're going to bring the SUPERPAC. Exactly, so maybe this'll be an this'll be the first thing they cover. Brand steals and other Internet topics. Yeah I'm not sure if there was a version of the soup airing at the time. China I think there was i. don't think it went off the air until a few years you will, you were on rob. You're on the. Two thousand ten. Yes, but they. Re the Joel McHale version of the soup head like just like a started again like there was like many iteration I think there was like a couple periods where it was talk soup, and then it was went dark and then came back. I don't know why we're doing the oral history of the soup. Which I think is is also about to come back. And then there was like a couple of years where it was dark, and then it went from talk. Soup came back as the soup with John Cale. Apparently started came back in two thousand, four the Joel Mchale version, so it was even long in the tooth by the time survivor China came around. Yes, okay, yes, so let's go ahead and talk about the let go tribe, Dharma's survivor logo Florida early no tattoo season, thirty nine idol, and the survivor logo mash up. All right, these are interesting now I think. One of the reasons why this twist sucked in the original season was because it's very easy to just be like we have the majority. Let's pick people off, but I will say from a brand steel perspective not only. Is it going to be more whacking random? But also these dynamics are a bit more fracture than they were in survivor China in real life, so there is a chance that it's not just going to be those that are swapped. They're going to get thrown right out the revolving door here. Okay. Let's go to our alliances now here after the swap. The soup is all alone. We have the endure tribe. Worth playing for is gone right? I can't really tell that worth playing for. Still there is still there is mostly black and white text. Yes, okay, all right. And then we have. This is where it gets tricky. has become a monochromatic. Anyway let's not worry too much about these alliances right now. Okay, there are still a lot of the lines is, and it would only can be confusing to name every single one, okay? Meanwhile over here on the endure tribe. No, tattoo is here without the soup and a lot of other people have some connections. Let's go to the immunity challenge here in round number five this time around. We are going to see that it is the indoor tribe can. It's winning ways. Wow So do we think that go through this? Them said we're going to get rid of Dharma and worth not Dharma Dharma and no tattoo here let's. Throw some stuff to the side. The Zodiac symbols did look a lot like the. Should should've symbols. Say, this has got to be really confusing. One of the puzzle pieces away was survivor darker survivor logo able to jump in and be the puzzle piece. Tried to do, but they were all so confused and just kept giggling to each other that really the dumber survivor logo is just getting angrier and angrier steaming like an event of electromagnetic radiation. Do We know how the merge feast clue or the Florida is with. sedukh oh. Yeah I'm not entirely sure. Maybe, if the numbers were in French that probably help it. Okay, all right. Let's go and see. What's going on back at the camps? We see the soup and the lemon tree having a major fight just well. Why would soup fight with the lemon tree? I think I think they're fighting for food supremacy here. I was going. Yeah. Soup is like I am not one of those Greek Lemon soups. Mike is the soup. Some sort of like a hot and sour soup accredited the battle over. WHO's more sour. I could see that I think the super this this point. The soup has like heated up in a manner of speaking like I. think assert to boil over a bit. I think there are some spices involved there so I think the super become a bit more ornery, especially in losing the socks I can imagine that the socks more of a warming calming presence in the soup. And now the soup has lost the socks. The soup is going off. Okay, all right. Let's see what else is going on over on the let go tribe. The Dharma logo still has the endure tribe idol, but the behavior of the survivor logo is rubbing people the wrong way just. I think it was just I think Dharma. Survivor logo was really confusing in that immunity challenge, and I would imagine that people are still mad at him for that. Yeah, I can imagine this might be another five piece puzzles situation where maybe Dharma logo plays the idol and I do actually much like the real survivor season since they did replant the idols after James voted out with them. This is the only idol left in the season. So if it gets played here, we are pretty much playing old school survivor from here on out Okay, all right, make sense. Let's see how tribal council number five is going to go all right, let go tribe. Only five votes will be cast. And I'm actually for many reasons. I'm glad this is going to tribal council because this, these are super interesting dynamics right because remember the floor delete was left out on the previous iteration of let go, and so it could very easily join up with Dharma logo and no tattoo and say hey, let's get rid of season thirty nine idol. Let's get rid of the survivor logo. However, the Dharma logo and no tattoo were not exactly best friends on on the door tribe, either so it really does feel like if the three of them can't get their act together, they can mount a coup, but it's easier said than done easier said than done. Let's see if we're going to have that. Idol get played I'm talking about the season. darnold survivor logo not these thirty nine okay. Dharmasala logo has the indoor tribe idol. They will not play it, so all the votes will count here in this five person. Vote all right. The merged of I thought I want to emerge idol. The merge Langbo Mash Up logo. Dharma what you do Dharma. With islands pocket. That's two votes for of logo. Mash up logo. Voted out of survivor islands I think. It's the Dharma Masters Donna logo. His pocket. Damage it! Darn it and like that. Would I like that one a lot and it had an idol what happened. People Way. Okay well. It looks like it was the the floor to lead the season during nine idol and the mash up. Stuck with its previous tribe members despite their different. I imagine. Dharma logo thought fluidly was voting with him. Yup, perhaps, it was a tribe. Through the challenge to vote out the dorm logo I mean I guess good I'm flirted Lee definitely the next one to go sort of benefits from the the swap here able to survive the next vote just because there's two others automatically on the bottom, very genre bear speaking of other French. And also that if they did throw the challenge to vote out the Dharma logo again that they sliding doors moment, they could've voted out no tattoo. Really could have, and they should have or the diarmid survivor logo should have played. It's idol at least survivor logo. Mash up would have gone instead I'm sat all right well. Maybe maybe I'm not destined to get. The Dharma Tattoo at the moment. I will not mistake Clinton's for fate. But I'm sad to say this guy. Especially now all the idols are out of the Game Rob, an old school survivor fans. Dream has come true. There are no idols in this season. And I'm pausing the game right now to call Josh Quigley and figure out how we're set up a fund raiser, so that Mike can get that Dharma town. All Right Final Levin. Hero that. Seven members on the. You're only four people in. This. Let's go drive. Okay, all right, actually. We've stayed true to form to survivor China yeah. Pretty pretty good except again, the first vote was absolutely and say yes. Okay, let's go to our alliances It's just too much of a train. Wreck destroyed the alliance. Going on here between Bellevue stats is. Meanwhile. Not much better on the. Four people on the tribe. Let's go to our reward challenge and our reward challenge. The let go proud the little day. Could they winner award to a nearby teahouse? Oh, that's cute for T for Tattoo Yeah, all right I sup- would've liked that if that could have. It might. With. Yeah and they will kidnap the outwit outplay last logo with a clue of the idol. She'll be back for the challenge, so yes, some I think we've been missed `gendering this one okay. Oh, cubed she'll be back. Okay, it could be a thing where obviously they they want to check in with o q to I guess more and more is coming across as the leader of that old alliance. The sort of figure out what's going on, maybe this could be like a james situation when they're like. Here's a clue. In case you need it, not aware that all the idols of the game are out at this point, but it doesn't matter because season thirty nine idol, and the mashups logo, or making the merge baby as the lego drive has has continued their remarkable spur of success here and won immunity. Okay, so immunity, victory or the let go tribe here. So we will see one of the tribe of seven now go to tribal council as Tattoo will will advance. It makes sense. This was the eating contest. That sir, squid, ing, tin and lemon tree and soup. Would all be really bad at eating contest because they're all food? Yeah, no tattoo really dodges a bullet. Here would have likely have gone home had this gone to tribal council? It was scarfing down. It's it's very long neck into the house and Jimmy not check to see if swallowed it or not. Okay. Let's check out what's going on back the tribe. Without plot last she has a clue to. The idol shears the clue with everyone. Okay, that was smart. Mean I think. She knows that she's on the bottom right air definitively speaking so I think it's and especially since. She might try to throw pick the Mike up under the bus and be like hey, just. Keep me over her. I just need to make it to the merge, but oh. My God officially rob on that note the core for Alliance of Oak Cubed pick the Mike Up Season thirty nine idol and the survivor logo mash up has officially disbanded. The alliance arguably ruled. The first half of this game is no more right before the merge. Boy could be a wild merge coming up. Let's go and check out what's going on. The let go tribe these survivor Ma- logo mash up isolates herself from the rest of the tribe. Nobody wants to align with her. Maybe it's a matter of like it was sort of like a symmetrical thing right where? Cubed and pick the Mike up breaking apart. Maybe survivor logo matchup is like feeling. That decides to break things off with the survivor thirty nine idol as well in that moment just to make sure that everyone's divided going into this merge Okay, let's go to our tribal council. Of seven members the lemon tree. Troch cubed, pick the Mike Up. The qr codes or squinting tin bowl of soup and worth playing for are all on the block tonight, Jess, do you have a read on? Who's going home? I really feel like we have heard nothing from. Qr Code All game. Our Code is not making a lion his loudest. picky audio. There's really I feel like if. I feel like Qr. Code is an easy target at this juncture who came over from the other tribe was picked the Mike up and. Cubed yeah, so I think there is an option that pick the Mike up could be here as well. I could imagine that there's some fear that Oh, cubed might have an idol as well as oh cubed I think being a bit more generous, really playing that social game the outlast portion I suppose if it's personality, so I could see a case where it survives. I'm thinking either Qr Code are picked Mike Up Personal right? Let's see I've already going to vote. I vote Lemon Tree A. Lemon tree two votes lemon tree. LEMON TREE! Oh The ball soup. Of IT SUP-. Sup- we're tied three slender tree three votes soup. The six player hitting voted out. Is the lemon tree? Oh, that's at blow to the. Lemon tree a was was in the very first. Vote the lemon tree. This final destination thing where lemon tree. Dodge being coming the first booth, but now it is finally come back around in. D rooted. It very surprised here. Not Our radar whatsoever as just said. We thought it was part of the secretive I guess my guess is that the secretive voted for the soup and the soup got together all the outsiders to turn on the lemon tree Yep anymore I'll take. Tribe soured on lemon. She was cut down. Yes, lost some of her appeal. Exactly for living. Member I will say there was a bit of a rind on her. Very smelly. The other person who was involved in that tie deadlock tie, no tattoo goes on to make the merge. Lemon tree will not have the same fate. Let's see how it all went down here as we look at those, yes, juice was worth the squeeze the keep the entry in the game. The lemon tree voted for the soup, a also the squirting voted for the soup and worth playing for, but it was the soup. It was the Qr Code. It was picked the Mike Up and OAK Q. Who all voted for the Levin Tree. We! Do we think this is a move for the soup as a move for like the O. Cubed? The Oh, cubed, pick the Mike Up duo who credit for this because I would say, this is probably one of the biggest moves of the game so far I. Don't know I would guess they. Probably I I'm gotta give credit to soup on this one But I think. I think Qr code probably played a bigger role than we thought. And just you are codes getting the worst edit. Codes that warmer when I do all the exit press. They're like what you don't know. As a Qr code was actually doing a lot around camp, and just for one reason or another are not didn't picked up at all. Qr Code is like the. Leeann from survivor Vanuatu. All Right? It's merged time. We're emerging Han here. Okay, and I believe actually yeah I believe in getting rid of the Dharma logo and getting rid of the lemon tree that we are now five five original tribes going into the myrtle. Okay. That's going to be awesome all right. Let's go to our merge, and we'll have our merge feast. Malcolm getting voted out try I had to satiate the listeners of some way adds if he mentioned to the innumerable amount of. Of Tattoo of me, laughing at Malcolm, getting voted out I feel like you had to be represented in some way here, plus he relates back to Denise's well. Okay just to set the stage here if you're just joining us if you are the kind of person that jumps into podcasts an hour in we are down to the final ten here of these survivor islands living. Down to the floor Lee no tattoo, the outwit outplay outlast a Kao cubed. Pick the Mike up a Qr code the season thirty nine idol Sir squirting in the bowl of soup, the survivor logo mash up and worth playing for Mike. Get a quick check in as you glance over the final ten, so I feel okay. There are definitely I would say some of the more middling suggestions for my favorability. We're the ones that left with the exception of obviously the Dharma logo and the torch, but we did get rid of speaking Lama. I will say floor right now is my. No Tattoo is. AQAP out, but I'd say the ones I'm really supporting right now. I'm still going for. Oh, cubed! It's simple, but I think we could come up with a fun idea around it. The season thirty nine idol and service QUAINTON is is warming. It's way up there I came in supporting Qr Code, but I don't know qr codes really hasn't shown anything as of yet. I liked the idea, but I don't like it survivor game so fucking. Will that impact your enjoyment of the Tattoo? Somebody plays a very under the radar game to win. I mean considering its brain steal I. Don't think so okay. Just wanted to say. Maybe the cure code could point to this podcast. That would be very self referential. Yeah, exactly, but I think people would have more questions. Check this out that if they actually just asked what my tattoo was. Okay let's go to our tribe alliances here at the merge of survivor islands of ink here we are okay. Soup and SOx batter back. Backup there, okay? All, right, what's left of the secretive just is also here with quitting didn't worth playing for. I'm not making a secret of the fact that I'm rooting for them. Okay all right. We have the original endure. Try believe. The qr codes or quitting the soup and the were playing for Regina. That shouldn't be very strong, because didn't qr code and soup just voted out lemon tree so yeah. Doesn't have strong loyalty to anybody. He's on squid. Of these like every single person that's ever been on a trip together. They list here together as part of blocks. That for the sake of time. We don't need to set up every single one, okay? Let's go to our immunity challenge here. Individual immunity is up for grabs for whoever can remember what happened at the merge feast of the best okay. Let's go ahead and find out, and it is of course she did it. Outwit outplay, outlast wins immunity that makes sense. She was concentrating a lot on the flag and the scenery. Considering it does brandish her name so I mean you know I. Think I think Trillo maybe a bit brainier. Them are giving her credit for. She seems to be very much like the Sophie. Clarke feel like putting the Oh and Sophie. Okay. She used outwit here to win this first immunity challenge. What up I cannot go home here at the final ten. camp. We have a new endure tribe alliance a six person alliance. Of the triple pick the Mike up the qr codes. There's quitting in the soup and worth playing for. Is that the group that came in at the merger? They now actually They've been downgraded to a very weak alliance just. Yeah I think having their old people back as kind of mastered them somewhat. To their last vote was like four to three, they weren't exactly coming in the most united, so I would not be surprised. If one out of this group sands triple o obviously ends up going here. Yes, the soup is now part of the lukewarm alliance. Because, we should measure these. Temperatures Not Skull Lukewarm Aright Tribal Council. Number seven I travel council at the merge. No idols are in play. Play last has individual immunity and cannot be voted for one of these ten tattoos are going home Mike. Do you have a sense of who it could be? I mean I hope it's looking at the left corner of the screen here with Florida Lee and no tattoo. Personally I could imagine I'm just trying to think there's so many variables right like do they stick original tribes and go five five to go new tribes go six four. What about we had this original alliance of four? That fell apart. So I if I have to throw out a random guess I'M GONNA say. You know what quitting to might be are merged boot, and it's sad to say, but it might be a thing where he's a big threat in a big. A BIG PERSONALITY Big Personality okay. Apparently. here we go. Let's see our first vote. Is the season thirty nine idol. Qr Code. Okay. That's people are very reacting poorly to that. My son Qr. Code doesn't like this. Season thirty nine idol. Think. He's rooting for the. Qr Code. It's like this is going to be the least embarrassing. To me. You Are Co. that's five volts for the Qr Code. SEASON, thirty nine idol Qr code the tribe. And seven three. Seven three the Qr Code is off to be the first member of the jury, and then I can finally speak up a little bit. Mike I'm happy to Qr Code is gone. I think it's an interesting idea and look I. do feel like. Maybe there's a possibility in the future that darrae brave the needle once more that maybe I do get because I like the Qr. Code idea right. Sure but I. don't know if this would be like good. As a first survivor Taylor I'm thinking a bit more about like. What's a good I survivor I? Don't know if this is. I didn't WANNA say anything. When the Qr code was still in consideration, but one of our listeners had emailed me and said actually a bar code qr codes on people can also be used in some negative purposes, also, so it's also maybe not the best idea so I'm happy that we were able to not have to go down that route. Yes the less. Chance that I get put inside of real life merging of black mirror the better. Grateful that happened this way. Okay, Alright Barcodes on people. Interesting idea, but maybe not great all right. Let's see how revoted. Who are the seven and who were the three? Let's find out. The seven, the majority voted I was the Florida. It was no tattoo. It was the season thirty nine idol. Sir Squirting Thin. It was the bowl of soup. It was the mash up and worth playing for interestingly the votes in the minority. Group the Group of three was out up. Play out last. Pick the Mike up and the Qr code the only three zero. Yes, so this is interesting, because remember these three plus the soup voted lemon tree out last time so I can imagine. They thought they were in a position of power. I can imagine trepelo trying to you know, arrange this blindside of season thirty nine idleness, former ally, but the votes got. got turned on them and it turns out that qr codes discuss Gardo situation of well. This'll be the one that probably will not get an idol played on it and triple. Oh, is the one we want to go after, but it's immune right now, so let's just get rid of the Qr code also just interesting to note the floor to Lee and no tattoo part of that big seven person voting majority. I mean that doesn't at the merge. It doesn't mean anything because that's just. The way the wind is blowing. Yeah, on car. Let's see down to the final nine. Okay, let's see what the latest is on the beach, soup and socks or squid and. The most loyal alliance in the game right now they're in their scalding. Yeah, they're scalding, hot level eight alliance. Service quitting tin and worth playing for another hot alliance. The cubed and pick the MIKE UP IS A. Lukewarm Alliance the florally in the season thirty nine idol, of course, a symbol to point to an idol, an idol would be friends. Those are some of the. Notable alliances in the game pairs which I agree with Jess makes me think. It's more fluid much like the soup. Then maybe we give it credit for where you know I think originally. You think this is a PA- Gong ing now, but I think that Oh cubed, and I hope at least that Cuban pick the Mike up or not going to be are destined to be the ninth eighth-place boots. Okay, all right, let's go to our. Reward challenge okay at our reward challenge. We see that the reward challenge group is the oak, cubed the soup service, quitting and the season thirty nine idol. They're going to get a Chinese feast and included the idol. How do you think? Feels about like eating seems. Boy I believe that is the majority of his diet I think he's an Apex Predator young. So he probably a lot of seafood. He's probably pretty stoked. If it's not them, it's me right right. I mean he's not like Sandra. Hodge any any fish but me. Okay. All Right? Let's go to our immunity challenge and find out the next winter of individual immunity is going to be. No Tattoo is gonNA dance the final. They win the Courtney Yates Challenge of. Make, sense. Who's better at doing nothing than the absence of Tattoo Challenge Florida did you? All right, let's go to our final nine back at camp and we see worth playing for in soup, having a minor fi jess. I mean I think it was probably about the fact that like. If soup was the reward that would not be worth playing for interesting debate of like what's worth playing for, and what isn't and I think soup isn't even a meal, so. Exactly but I think that you know that that being said they probably will engage in future conversations, or at least the soup will believed that this was not the conversation that they need to engage in further ones. Okay all right. Just do you remember who were the two people that were now on the outs from that seven person majority from last side? It's it's a-cubed and pick the Mike Up. Is that right? Yeah I think so okay. One of them is going out here well. They're very loyal to each other. So if I were voting, I would want to get rid of one of them. I think that I think unfortunately this might be triple. O's time to go. I think it just came right out of the gate. Had this move of with the lemon tree won immunity tried to stage this blindside on season, thirty nine idol, and got caught with its pants down, and so I think it makes sense to go after it if you're going after those to pick the Mike, up seems much meeker or Mike or of the two okay, no idols and play. Let's see how all idol is playing. Strict. Nine votes here at this travel council here as we send another person to the jury. It's the Suk both sides Oh. Season thirty, nine idol. Bowl of soup. How really bowl of soup? That's four for the bowl of soup. Seasons are neidl. Okay with our play out last. Oh, what a what a play out last! Bowl of soup, the tribe has spoken. What was that vote split perhaps? I think so five votes with a sube. Two votes for the season thirty nine Alan to vote for cubed while did not expect a blindside on the soup here. The super blindsided. Let's see how it all went down Mike. What's your reaction to the soup going home? It's interesting because it is like a BNB reference and God I love the BNB with all my heart, but I I don't know how it would look as a tattoo. Yes, we as the as the first one. I'm not entirely sure about it. Sort of being the IT hearkens back. It's like a good Mike Bloom. Tattoo but I don't know if it exactly Mary's that survivor and Mike Bloom in a way, that image would be able to. Provide medicine. It's a good. It's a good point. Italian wedding soup. I think this would be a great poster in your home. I don't. Forget who made this great image? I will one hundred percent prentice and get this framed. Let's pour went out for the soup for the soup. Let's see how this vote went down. I'm very curious. K.! Just hear the votes for the soup. It was the Florida Li. It was the season thirty nine idol. It was her squirting. It was the logo mash up and worth playing for those with a five votes for the soup, perhaps the controlling alliance of five for the rest of the way. That's an that's an alliance I can root for. We can interest. To do we think worth playing for turned was the was the indicator right to turn the votes against it, because remember soup was in their alliance, and so it looks like the soup and socks Combo voted for AAA probably thought that that was the play on right and poor triple, Oh and pick the Mike up just left out here, throwing votes towards season thirty nine idol once more. I wonder if the blindside might have been originally for the socks and the SOX won immunity in through the whole plan up into the air where the socks we're, the only person left out ends up voting for without play outlast though the one rogue vote in this tribal council. It seems like yeah. It seems like you might want to get the socks out at this point. When the socks born an option, you decide to go for one of the one of the stronger players. I think we're getting rid of a threat. Here is not getting rid of the socks. I'm getting rid of his right spoon. Okay we're down to the final eight. Okay, okay half. Our cast has gone at this point, and I got say. This is a pretty good look now. Is there. Anyone were not particularly like I'm not more on Florida and could take her leave worth playing for, but I don't and obviously not too is staring us right in the face here at the final eight, Mike. In the second half of the game. I mean you you called it rob? He's in the game for a really long time, and we just want him to go and he's creating drama. Did just lose his most recent. He's like his closest. For Idol friend and just won immunity, so this could be another triple o's situation. Where like once they lose. There's a chance that they want to immediately turn on no tattoo. Don't forget. This is survivor China rules, so we hear only five votes away from the final three of at even if no tattoo is not playing a big game. It is a seven person jury in a final three, so you could have some sort of like three to to split. This is real. Any of these people could win. I agree and I will say that at least half I'm excited to win personally the other half, but the other half are fun to to root against, but this has been surprisingly again fluids so far considering that the fluid just voted out, I think that now you know no tattoo triple Oh and pick the mike up are now on the outside. Look again, but it's only five to three, and so anything can happen here. Just who's playing the best game in your mind? I honestly I think. I think triple Oh and pick the mike up are doing the best with the hand they've been dealt. I think season thirty nine idol has. As slipped through a lot of sticky situations, and really I really feel like Whittington is going to be the dominant factor here. Everybody is rooting for Squid Ing Tin. They were going in and I. Don't think anything has changed there but I would be afraid of being targeted because I'm just that good. You know Here. We are final eight. Let's see what happens next. We have still a couple of alliances. Sir, squirting, playing for are notable, as is triple, Oh and pick the Mike Up. And Florida early and these seasons are nine idol so in this final eight. We have three pairs really. Yeah and it's interesting because again I feel like those pair sort of dictate where the votes are going to go, and who's going to work together, because let's remember that that Alliance of seven that voted together cast out one of their own. So that means that it's possible. These pairs could just splinter off and go into various configurations now that they're staring down the end game. Yeah, okay, so then on the outside the people without a pair. It is no tattoo, and then who is the other person? That is not. Logo Mash Up logo. Mash up okay. Logo Mashed Up I. Think is under the radar while I feel like that. No Tattoo is a little bit more in the crosshairs Jess Yeah. We haven't heard from Loma Mash a long time. She's been kind of not really a part of anybody's plan When you have forty voices in your head at one little difficult to listen to one and be able to make a decision right, okay like being in the board collective okay? All right. Let's go to. The reward challenge. This is the moment gets a bounce the balls on the drum. Yeah, yes, yes, okay makes sense sir screens. It's crush this one because he's got those arms season thirty, nine nine, Wittington worth playing four and pick the Mike Up. Go on a river cruise where they see goats okay. Do, you think that's her squinting thin rides in the boat or just cruises down the river on his Huntington pushes. Is the. Guy Everybody rides on his back easy for the idol to do it right just hangs in. It's one little one little tentacle. Journey can grasp the Mike. You can pick it up when one of his tentacles yeah, okay, okay, let's go third individual immunity challenge and see who's GonNa Immune at this vote. It is going to be the season thirty nine idol. ooh, the idol has won immunity necklace. Yes, so this is! This, I believe this was the moment the throwing stars I want to say. Thirty nine idol has the individual immunity around its neck, which makes things even more confused because I don't know where neck on this thing is, but it is going to be safe. Despite receiving votes the past tribal councils, the votes sponging stops here. Okay, all right. Let's see what's going on back camp. Okay, we have here. No Idol Hidden, but the Florida Lee is rubbing people the wrong way. That's been a harbinger of a player. Getting voted out before in this season. Not to mention that seems like a lot of pairs have been gun for as of late, and if the student thirty nine idol which has been a vote, sponge now is immune. Day could be looking at that floor to leave very appeasing much like Adam. Klein did once. Want to Pry it out of the game right. So our final eight tribal council Florida Lee rubbing people the wrong way. Immunity Necklace for the season thirty nine idol just. Do you think you know who's going out here? I honestly don't know I. Think there's so many little factions here. They could have had some little interaction. Somebody off camera and we'd never know. The Soup Guide voted out at the last tribal council. Their partner was the no tattoo soccer. Happy could be in the crosshairs tonight. Let's see how this shakes out at the final eight. I Vote Florida Lee who? Outwit? accused. Ono Florida we're tied. Florida. Florida the tribe has no. Six. Four votes Florida early. Last? I'm sorry I think correct is there's a tie? It's gone to a tie four four. Wow Florida Sharia. Fourth vote come up in an eight person tribal council. I jumped I jumped the gun. Wow, so we have we're looking at. A tie between one of my favorites left in one of my least favorites. This is obviously what for I don't know. Maybe we'll go to rocks at this point. If we'RE GONNA the second time this season. Yes, be perplexing. Four tie of the season. I it's a it's an optimal time to have a tie. What can I say eight magic number I suppose, but this'll be interesting. I wonder if obviously there were. Pairs on either side I wonder if it was just you know two pairs voting together and will they swap? Fearing that the rocks will get drawn wants more. My earlier comment? I am going to I'm GONNA. Burn this place down if quitting -ted gets rocked out of this game. okay could be in the second rock draw of the game. All right. Mike. Is anybody jump out at you as somebody? WHO's likely to flip? I mean we have to think about WHO's like like? Merge Mash Up. Logo has no taken this game right like it would make sense to swap. There's no one going to bat for you. Why are you going to bat for them? yeah. So, you would imagine that the. Pick the Mike up voted. For the florally as the voting block bar, and you can imagine that the idol voted for triple to finally get revenge after trying to mount an insurrection twice. It depends on who search quitting ten and worth playing for voted for as well that could be. Right now we're sort of seeing a schism from the former. Let go try members right, so I think it really comes down to the former indoor people to sort of decide where the direction goes here, but we'll see people stand their ground, or if they decide, listen to endure. People were not afraid to go to rocks before. WHO's to say, they won't do it again. Okay, let's check out our revotes. Okay! First Revote is for Florida. Florida Oh. Wait up late last. Play guy to to my God. We don't pay. Knocks again. Rocks again. Our full rocks. There are six people that will draw the rocks. High Five Five. Triple Oh Florida early unfortunately and season thirty nine idol are all safe right now. Okay so. We are now going to have an elimination here between. Pick the Mike Up. serse quitting. Worth playing for the logo mash up and no Tattoo Mike. Can you talk us through how you're feeling? I mean I think if. This is the perfect time to get rid no tattoo right mid game in a big calamitous way I'd also be fine with losing the up logo. Anyone else. Maybe pick the Mike Up. I feel like that's the lesser of the pair with Trepelo. Anyone else I'd be pretty disappointed in just there would be some poetry here if that it was no tattoo that survived the very first rock draw of the game at the first vote to ultimately suffer the fate of pulling the Rock, but there's only twenty percent of that happening. It's the. It's the outcome I think everybody's hoping for right now, okay? It's the outcome we're hoping for, but is it the outcome deserve? Let's find out the person who drew the purple rock is going to be. The Logo Mash. Okay I'm fine with this. Personally. You know honestly Mike. This is such a complicated idea. You'd have to get this pretty big, and you would have to sit at the Tattoo chair for a really long time, so I think you're good, not having this. You'd have to sit for the of forty seasons. At this tattoo on me. Logo Mash up is gone. We are left with three voting blocks and no tattoo as the one rogue. One row, Gaijin. Let's see how the vote ended up playing out which voting on which the heck happened here and triple A. Surviving vote by the skin of? All Right, so the Florida Lee of course one of the out without plant last as were not tattoo was voting there with the idol singer, nine idol in the Flynn the floor. Pick, the Mike up was a vote for. The Florida. Lisa looks like that. At the same time, it was sur SC Wittington voting for the Florida early. Playing for okay, so it's interesting, so the creators joined up with trip. Alot and pick the Mike up to vote out Florida Lee whereas floor during the season thirty nine idol sort of picked up those two wildcards in the logo, mecham and and the Florida. The other one is well and decided to sort of force that is, they were able to make a big move. To the more powerful pairs in this game yet those two powerful pairs survive. Yes, just so it set up now that we have a four three majority potentially with outwit up play last pick the Mike up Sir scooting. Playing for in pole position here with the season thirty nine idol, the Florida. And no tattoo, potentially on the downside of that vote, if that group before six together well, that group before is probably the four strongest players left in the game so that makes a lot of sense and I'm thrilled to see these two factions pairing up and kind of taking over the game, but also it's not really an alliance of four so much as an alliance as to alliances of two, and that may that may have. Have around again, but just you think it's possible that that group before the hey, we're the four best ideas where the four one of US belongs on Mike Blooms Body. Let's just get to four and figure it out and knock out all the other people who don't belong not deserving to be on Mike. Bloom I think that's probably the argument being made now, but I also think that everybody is crafty enough to fracture that later on. This has been surprisingly a radic post. Merge like this has been very very all over the place, but I also don't want her any like moralistic Steph altruistic stuff going on. We're the we're. The good tattoos. All right. We're down to our final seven tattoos. They are the fluidly. They are no tattoo. How widow play a last pick? The Mike up the season's are not idol, squirting and worth playing for. That is what's going on. Let's look at these. Voting blocks that we have here just to reset sir. SQUINTING DIN is with. His alliance partner worth playing for. It does feel like with these pairs like I do feel like there's an Alpha Beta. Ala Aj masters marriage jeans right like I would say quitting to an outright outplay outlast and the floor delete are probably the more dominant members of each of their parents. Okay. We'll play last and pick. The Mike Up is the second of these three pairs florally, and the seasons are done. Idol is the third with no tattoo, being the one person who does not have any alliance to speak of other than original tribe formations. Okay, so let's go to our reward challenge here, and it is going to be the season idol who wins reward. Basically what happened? If we remember, is they just they just voted. The Rock draw just happened. And then Jeff, says, hold on, we're going to stay at tribal council own calamitous to be continued and turns out. He says because we're doing our next reward challenge right now, and I guess just so flummoxed this season thirty nine one reward poly because they were safe anyway. Yeah, exactly, and so they were, they were not as completely thrown for a loop as everyone else was with that rock, having to go right into a challenge from there. Okay, so season thirty nine idol gets to pick some people to accompany them on the reward. Who Will they select? That it is going to be. SC WHITTINGTON and no tattoo. Interesting thing we'll delete does not get selected I could see this. Though because I think it's a strategic perspective. Season thirty nine idol was just left out of the VO, or just you know was barely able to escape with their closest ally intact. They want to try to bring people over. So you bring over no tattoo, which is the only one who doesn't have a pair and Sir SC Winnington a dominant person in another pair, because let's remember I. They Triple Oh and pick the Mike upper out of the picture at this point because they were the ones that voted against Florida and they've voted against triple. Oh! Let's get this other pair out of the way. See if we can split up that other, so I think it's a crafty move on season thirty nine idols part I think the question is between doing all the judy at the temple if they're able to get some strategy talking. Okay just you like this move I season during nine idol I. do like this move for season thirty nine idol I think I think it's. It's a crafty move, and we'll see if it pays off Krecko for a crafty idol Chris. A Guy. Let's go Kinda Janke, but he's got a lot more going on than Mike Bloom picked them for a reason, okay. Let's go to our immunity challenge. Who Will Win individual immunity this time? It is going to be a hot streak for the season. In a row heating up. Mike this, this is the Chinese throwing stars, and I can only imagine the image of necklace throwing a star, but it's good enough to earn immunity here all right so season thirty nine I'd ideal is. Getting hot at the right time here at the final seven. They cannot get voted out potentially bad news for the floor Lee. The idol was one of the three people that we talked about being in the majority in the minority heading into this vote, so seasons are not idle with its back against the wall, the pulling out a huge immunity challenge. Let's go back to camp. We See More, bedrooms, pointless and thirty nine idol is done. Zo, yeah, perfectly wrong time for the decisive argument and the thirty nine idol is leaving it behind with the immunity necklace around its neck. This might do you think that the season thirty nine idol had been spending more time with the tattoos that like I could see a thing where because let's remember that these two well first of all these sort of forced together right like they report of opposing alliances from the get go I think the new. New type situations are brought them together under fortuitous circumstances, but I think the season thirty nine. I'll sort of tired of the Florida Li. Like exact in two Broadway. It's it's it's everywhere. It's getting on my nerves. And Yeah, as you said it just brought up to other tattoos on reward with it that it really liked getting to know that actually started on a different tribe than it so I can imagine sort of seen greener pastures and assigned to cut its closest ally loose at this point. We could argue that floor. Lee just got mad that that he didn't get to go on the trip. is also a good point I could see. Nora, ask grant of Flora s grant about not getting picked for award to all the other people that got left behind. I mean what if it was his birthday? That's possible. Too Bad Sarah Lacina is not out there. Yeah exactly. They already had the Chinese food reward. Okay all right. Let's keep going and see what happens here. This is the. Council, because here's the things AFL. Early season, thirty nine idol, and no tattoo were finished in the minority due to the rock draw last time, but like Jeff said the majority alliance are just two pairs. Could season thirty nine reward gambit have worked out? Is the floor delete screwed here now that his closest ally is it around like this? This is going to be a big vote. No matter what okay, all right, let's go to our tribal council. The final seven alright still no idols back in play here post. Merge in survivor China. Let's see Mike Do Idols, a comeback and survivor China after or that they were just only hidden in the pre emergent, and then there was never found again in. The brain still sort of follows the model that the season takes so since if you remember in the season proper, James was voted out with both idols at the final seven, and no idols popped back up they circle. Formula these are the planks, and once people find out about them. There's no reason to hide them again. Got It okay. Final seven vote no idols here we go. fluidly, okay, this might be the time. Yep Florida Lee. It's numbers up. Outwit outplay El Pollo. Play last. Florida Lee. Florida, the tribe has spoken votes for the Florida two votes for outweighed. Play it last. Let's see what happened and. It sort being a combination of Sophie Rs, where it sort of seen as the leader of the other alliance, just constantly getting votes from the opposition. Yeah the Florida I would imagine the idol also was the other vote for the widow play at last, yes, and actually the same people that got votes last time votes this time. Okay, all right actually looks like a tattoo betrayed that to some and decided to vote out floor. Delete Proving, how much of of a free agent is yes? No Tattoo jumped on with that majority floor. Delete ends up. Getting voted out here. The season thirty nine idol did not have the heart to vote against his best friend. Unless. It's been jt thing right trying to curry favor on the jury. Flurry favor, I mean. Both for. Last. So. You're saying that to send the Florida layoff that they wouldn't have to vote against them exactly to be it's real flurry management to be on self for you this entire time. I stuck to the end despite our differences go but Mike. You have to be happy here. The Florida was not tattoo that you wanted gets knocked out here at the final seven, and just again. No, I do not despair. Anyone who has authority lied tattoo you but I. Do feel like out of all the tattoos. Seemed Elise survivor, specific and therefore the least meaningful for this particular situation. But just here we are at the final six, and the story right now has to be no tattoo still in the gang. GotTa get rid of no Tattoo. Come on, man. This is where we're screaming at our TV's like. Why is nobody getting rid of no tattoo is no tattoo being dragged to the final three right now as he jury goat, Mike, this could be ago here in that no tattoo could just be seen as like so irascible or so meaningless to the game at this point that it's like no tattoos flipper constantly left out of the votes hasn't really one. One one challenge were good dragon to the question is assuming that you know it's going to be a pair that sits at the end with no tattoo. Exactly sits at paired with a pair of socks. which pair is going to win out here? Now now I really could see a situation where it's triple L. and pick the mike up versus quainton and worth playing for which would make this round extremely interesting. Yeah, we could end up seeing this split off into three versus three of the Moon I can. No Tattoo here has to be get with the group for and try to get season thirty nine idol add the game and then would really be in a great position at the final five to go with whatever pair chooses. That's what you have to do here is. Going to be thrown into the odd sock then right, and it's up to the season dirty nine idol to really be able to paint a picture to one of these two pairs to say hey, the no tattoo socks are going to side with the other pair and the final five. We need to get the jump and split up. This group potentially headed to another tie vote at the final six by God. God if we go to rocks again two rounds after we went to rocks, the last side in Iraq's maybe could be the story here at the final six. That's the subtitle for this season. That's the name of the episode Okay Stephanie Episode. It's a spoiler. The okay all right. Let's go to the alliances of course sir. Quitting Dan has his partner worth playing for outwit outplay. Outlast her partner. The Mike Up. Those are the two pairs to watch the season thirty nine idol and no tattoo. Do not have a pair. Together it's interesting to note that we are indeed in terms of tribe numbers back down to three original. Let go versus three original indoor. It could be a case where for some reason they decide to stick to try old tribe lines like Dave one tribe lines, and if that case that could be one reason why you force a tie all right, but. In the midst of all this battling, it's time for similar. We're going to. Get, the have loved ones. Visit Right Mike Yeah so serse quitting wins reward, I guess who's this loved one Ken. This. A call from home unless there's a lady squinting ten I know if Madame SC Wittington was able to to make it out. Pele pregnant with the squabblings at home. So yes, I'm assuming Ken McNicoll comes out to celebrate with Sir. squatty did and I believe they're squirting. Gets a call from Brown I think also I believe he probably chooses to other people to go on. Okay so he will pick the socks and worth playing for that makes sense of worth playing for is his. These were the original endure members. Worth playing for has also been his closest ally. The entire thing I'm not sure who, with playing for one is all right, but this may be the opening the season. Thirty nine idol needs to say to. Outwit outplay laughs and pick the Mike up look, didn't you? Don't you see what's happening that? They took the no tattoo socks on the reward. Isn't it obvious that when you get to the final five that the tattoo socks? Jess are going to side with the pair of Sir Whittington we're playing for. I mean that's what you gotta do. That's your move. I wonder if the better move would have been to take the idol on this trip. or take like one from each of the other pairs to make sure worth playing for like I know you really WanNa see Jeff probst right now, but you're going to have to sort of keep a. let's do the buddy system. Keep a watch out of camp and make sure that nobody's strategizing breakups. Sort of all three pairs also are are the no tattoos on. Is that just a pair of feet? not sure not sure, and you're saying that worth playing fours loved one is Jeff Probst Sal I. See Him. So I think assets. Okay, all right. Let's go to our immunity challenge. The winner of individual immunity huge individual mindy here at the final sex is pick the Mike Up. Okay, it's not looking good for triple Oh then. Yeah, triple! Oh, now just got a big target paint on them after getting several votes. Last timeout. Pick them up. Glad they're building a little bit more of a jury resume I feel like in the pairing of AAA and pick the Mike Up Triple always definitely been playing the more out there game, so if it does indeed end up with like the two of them sitting there at the end that could provide some more interesting stuff. Pick the Mike up is indeed a swamp donkey, apparently according to the title this challenge all right, let's go back to the camp. We see the behavior of worth playing for starting to rub people the wrong way just. Oh! Well, I! Think. Everybody was like your loved. One was Jeff probst really. Yeah and I think this is, this is the mark of death. Though, right? This always feels like this is curse for players. This season so I could imagine that if votes are going towards anybody in this quitting ten worth playing for pair. It's GonNa. Go towards worth playing for so I could very well see a tie. If we're going along with our logic of the pair going to go against each other, I could see tie here between triple L. and worth playing for okay all right. Let's go to our tribal council at the final six worth playing for definitely somebody to watch here tonight. Let's see Mike anything else. You want to say before this vote I think there's a chance that could break down to travel is it could also be a chance that they decide to let bygones be bygones and say like. Let's wait until four and just get rid of thirty nine idol and no tattoos since they're both vulnerable but I don't know I feel like something is going to happen here. I feel like the these are four big power. Players are not going to sit on an easy move Okay all right. Let's see our votes here at the final six. season. Dirty night idol. Season thirty nine idol. Outwit outplay land. Without play last. Season thirty nine idol. Is it can be tied outwit. Since going. Back I don't know. I would say maybe some will flip their vote, but they did in the past two time. So who's to think that they'll do it this? Okay Alright, so you would have to think that this that if we're gonNA look at this, it's the season. They're not idle. Quitting Whittington and worth playing for. Those voted together. Right I would imagine. I would imagine that the idol voted alongside. Yeah, it's interesting because I I, don't got left back a camp with Trepelo and worth and and pick the Mike Up, so you think that they would vote together, but no, it seems like triple low and pick the Mike up and assumingly no tattoo might have throw their votes onto the idol here okay. I believe that Sir that than the group that ended up voting. Then for the season thirty nine idol was then play last. Pick them up and no tattoo correct. Okay all right so the question will be then who is going to potentially flip, or could we see potential? Another potential rock draw. Here's the final. Yeah I feel like if you are serse quitting in and worth playing for you need to flip right now, because otherwise if you don't outwit play, last is then protected alongside. Pick the Mike Up, and you have a two thirds chance of getting broken up, and that just seems like way too big of a risk at this point you cut your losses and get rid of the idol right now it would be sir, squirting tin worth playing for a no tattoo drawing rocks if it goes to a rock draw. Yeah. I don't like those odds all right. Let's see our revote. Okay for people will vote. Let's see I vote out without play last. Season thirty nine idol. Widow playoff last. Season during. The season. Okay. All right getting out and I can't handle it serse quitting thin, worth playing for and no tattoo. Now this is the second time no tattoo will pick rocks. This is the third time no tattoo is involved in a tie vote that has gone to rocks. The first of which no tattoo was one of the deadlock tied people I would say. Triple Oh has become the new tattoo. This is the second deadlocked vote that triple has been safe from. No K. All right. This is a huge vote. This will dictate the. End Game for sure all right. With a tie between outwit outplay last the season, thirty nine idol, okay, which Mike? You dodged a bullet in that to tattoos that you like they are going to advance to the final five. It's pretty good odds I mean I'll be. I'll be honest. Probably losing worth playing for would not be that bad. I think losing serse, Quainton, or just for the drama. Sake losing no tattoo would be would be pretty bad here. Yeah, and also no tattoo could also mean any tattoo. You choose interesting stopping from getting Tattoo. It's just that it's not a detail. Yes, yes, maybe that would be an of your own heart that you got it says. That might be in more own heart. Yes, yes, all right, but in the meantime. The purple rock person that is going to be rocked out of the game here at the final six is going to be. Oh No It, he could have prevented this tragic part. Is that he he? Have the he should have flipped even if he had just flipped even fourth playing for data flip, he would have prevented his own outcome. On himself. He did damn definitely. One of the highlights of this season. In many ways. I'm so glad he gets to live on in temporary tattoo for because I know, I will be putting him on my. Right for them, even if it's not permanent rob, God serfs quitting thin as goes out at the final six purple rocks. Purple Fish. At least he made the family visit, yes. Apparently he did. Oh Wow wow, big, blow big blow to worth playing for and big victory for triple. Oh, because now Trepelo and Pick up the MIC are now. The only defined pair left in the game, and if they have one more vote if they secure their final three of right now, they are good for the end. Has a hell of a resume, too? Because she can get up and say I got my people to go to rocks twice, yes. All right, let's Jusuf check out that vote one more time and we see interesting. No Tattoo voted alongside the IT looks like triple. Oh and. Oh I'm trying to figure this out. Just doesn't make any sense some. No, Tattoo. Oh pick the Mike up switched teams that it's been voted for triple Oh. A blindside. Okay, all right, take the MIC up. decided in that moment to be like I'm stepping out from triple. Overshadow one this immunity challenge. It's time for me to make a move can speak first and foremost. That's how that emboldens. You sometimes decides to join up with the idol. Okay, this is really interesting, so here's now sort of Hermano pairs in the game. So. Here's what happened. Is that what we thought? Was that major alliance of those of those two pairs of quitting ten worth playing four triple Oh and pick the Mike Up, said, let's stick together. Let's vote out the idol. Easy move. Pick the Mike Up. said hold up, BRO! I don't want to necessarily do that and forced the tie with the season thirty nine idol, and and not serve a blood vs water scenario right like maybe pick the Mike up thought that he was the designated number four in the alliance and decide to flip in that moment, okay? Are these. Are these just the votes on the on the first vote. We not get the votes on their on the revote or everyone. Saying. They changed their votes in the wrote. It will say so, but it seems like everyone's stuck to it. Wow, pick the mike off their shot and they missed hard. That's going to be an intense conversation back at Camp Okay all right, let's go to our next. The final. Pick the Mike up could very easily be like. Oh, no squinting must've voted against you, but worth playing for very easily. Be Like knows. Whittington and I voted with you and so pick the my cups in a lot of duty right now by the way might have to look at look at winning out here. R.I.P are mentions if no tattoo wins. Just want to say that okay. let's go to the final five. Let's see what the alliance is right now still retired. All right. We'll take. The Mike Up to five five strength you sure about that. was like warily trusting. Pick the Mike up because I mean look. There's five people left like and triple has been getting votes left and right, so she may just be like looking at what options are left and going with okay. No Tattoo, in worth playing for like a very tepid alliance together, but. This, is a real every person for themselves every tattoo for themselves heading into the reward challenge, and now we have our seasons or with another challenge win win a trip to the Great Wall of China. Oh, interesting, okay, so here's the big question I mean we've seen how important these reward bring along have been in the past. This is going to be the last one actually I believe. They do have a reward at the final four in China, but this is going to be a big determining factor with quitting ten out of the game. They're going to bring no tattoo and triple. Oh! Interesting move. Could the idol proposing an alliance here between the three of them? Because let's remember the no tattoo and idol voted together alongside. Pick the Mike Up. Could they then throw pick the Mike ups name under the bus to triple out of the? He voted against you. This is the person you should turn on. Not The two of US know certainly what I would do. Let's go to our immunity challenge here at the final five and our immunity challenge winner is going to be worth playing for even really like spreading the stuff around, but these immunity wins. Okay, all right, sit exciting, worth playing for ends up winning immunity here. Yes survives after its closest ally ended up. Getting rocked out last time Yes, okay, let's go back to the camp and see how this final five vote is going to shake out. Nothing doing no addle in. This could be a total crapshoot here. This Lionel Messi this is so messy. I think if there's one charity it's going to be. That triple is going to get votes I. think that's pretty much guarantee at this point I, guess the question, so Trepelo voted alongside worth playing for answers quitting do the other three stick together triple of turn on pick the Mike. Mike Up Because they force the tie against them last time. Could they try to get revenge on season thirty nine idol, and finally get rid of it considering it's been going on a challenge streak could no tattoo. The perennial goats be eliminated. Courtney Merit style I think everyone has a case as to why they should go here. Just my brain is melting. How do you see this shaking out? I think it's GonNa, one of the former power couple I just don't know when you want. It's going to be which former power couple I triple. Oh, and Mike Okay all right. Let's see? Let's see who it's going to be tonight as we get down to only five votes first of all season thirty nine idol. Pick the Mike Up. Season night idol. Pick the Mike God season. a fan favorite for shore close one interesting, so I wonder. Maybe no tattoo voted alongside the season thirty nine idol, not entirely sure okay three votes for the season's. It was outweighed play last. Picks the Mike up? They did vote together. That was still an alliance, and then it was worth playing for actually looks like they were able to put water under the bridge at least for now between triple Oh and pick the Mike up after picked them Mike ups Bungled big move and decided to just take out the vote in the season thirty nine and the idol. It makes sense right. The idol was winning challenges Galore with only a couple more until the final three. That is someone you do not want sitting. and. Jess it was no tattoo and the season's dirty night idol voting together for pick the Mike up which does put no tattoo in a very dic- position at the final four. Dicey enough rob. Tattoo is still in this game. A. Tattoo may need to win immunity here at the final four. Well I. Certainly hope that is not the outcome. Oh. There's been a tough couple of boots so far. More Marie Stanley. This is starting to get a little bit. The end game is getting heartbreaking in a manner of speaking real suck to the gut you. To lose the idol, there's a chance that may reappear at some point on my body somewhere down the line, because it does mean a lot to me, but unfortunately the idol and Jamal's hand now standing, we'll missing from my first tattoo all right. The game may be afoot here. Literally sucks. Of advanced to the final now I cannot believe the socks made the finale stunned triple. Oh, OUTRIGHT UPLIFT LAST! She's still here. Pick the Mike. Up and worth playing for those are your final four. So do we mission my? I was GONNA say I. Mean I want to pull if we have a rooting interest because I will say mine from even just a gameplay perspective is probably Trepelo I think now that Cirque Whittington, and the idler out I think Trepelo is miraculously survived, and I also think we could probably come up with some fun ideas as well. I think triple is a nice campus that we can work with the do some survivor stuff. Whereas the other two are fine, and of course, no tattoo is just the the nuclear option here. Okay. All right just. Do you want to give us your thoughts here at the final, four. I mean I think triple. Oh has to be the favourite to win going into the finale, but I could certainly make a case if it's a face a triple. Oh, and Mike and worth playing for finale I think I. Think Mike and Triple Oh split votes and playing for becomes a contender. Okay. Let's get point? Yeah, because the only pear left as. Chaotic as they may be. There's a chance they could laurel. Method of splitting votes, and then the plurality at the seven votes is going to go to a third party candidate like worth playing four or God. Help us no tattoo. I refuse to consider a scenario in which tattoo wins competition okay. Let's go to our alliances. We have the alliance between the Triple Oh and pick the Mike Up. They are the pair here at the final four. Not to because with a pair of socks. WHO Had some relationships with worth playing for earlier in the game but it is worth playing for and no tattoo that are the people that are on the outs. Let's go to our reward challenge here at the final four outwit outplay. Last wins reward she win. Brownies, beer and soft drinks and gets to take one person with her to strategize. You would think that person would be picked Mica. Well, I don't know if she feels like she has picked the Mike up in her pocket might WanNa. Grab somebody else to prevent to tie well. The idea here would be though you would want to make sure that you end up giving the calories to somebody that you're working with. That's true, maybe because if no tattoo, indeed such goat, and might be best to just give it to them. If you don't feel, yeah can win the challenge anyone. Maybe worth playing four is the move. Bring worth playing for on the reward. Who voted with them last time to make sure that they have a three to one vote coming up. Let's see there had victim Mike Up. Did fire shots triple This could be a nice recommended. Take no tattoo. Interesting trying to butter up that goat okay. Let's go to the immunity. Challenge now were not charged. Triple and no tattoo and the winner of the immunity challenge is going to be out without play last. The hot streak lots of symmetry here first immunity and last immunity win for triple triple Oh guaranteed in the final three, and I can imagine a pretty good spot of taking it all, though as just mentioned I think it comes down to who is sitting next to it, and that would be very confusing if this was the new final three format, jess, where without without play last having to Dan breakdown, the three portions game into the outweighed play on, l. ask. Yeah, it's like. What do you mean how did I? Do those things? I am those things. Jeff my name is literally outwit outplay. Outlast mic drop literally drop the might, which is the person I'm sitting next to in the end? Yes, Oh, let's see. Let's see about that. Okay, so let's go to our tribe events. Nothing going on, we'll go to our final. So there's A. Sense here so a couple things could happen so triple. It's to say the trip Lohan pick them my cup. We're going to be voting together right so they could either take out no tattoo because no tattooed did not with them last time, and they want to go to a final three, but I would say worth playing for has better jury odds than no tattoo at this point considering looking over at the jury bench. Whittington there and search quitting tennis, somebody who could very easily rile up the jury in favor of worth playing for despite voting together, it might be best as a pair for them to vote worth playing for out that being said there's also an opportunity to force a tie here with. Pick the Mike Up, so it's not guaranteed that these two will sit at the together. okay. The way, the season's gone just. We're going to fire making here. Of course we are. Okay. All Right? Let's see if we have our four Thai vote of the. Four out of. Thirteen votes or something? Let's see the first orders per worth playing for. Pick the Mike Up. Worth playing for. Pick. So. We will have our final four fire making going on here. No Tattoo will be advancing to the final three of survivor island link. Along. Without play last, one of these tattoos will be eliminated in our final four fire making challenge. Wow I remember you've got to see if it was worth playing for. If this was worth playing for to see worth playing for sitting at the end, or if it's GONNA, call out in this fallen angels spot, okay, Aright give a rooting interest just for the sake of interest I would for like excitement I would wanna see. Pick the Mike Up. Go here because I do think worth playing for versus Trillo is more interesting than triple overseas. Pick the Mike Up. Again brand steel jury outcomes especially are probably the least likely to predict so really anything can go here. Okay. Our final four fire making challenges here pick the Mike Up and worth playing for just which inanimate object you think has a better chance at making the fire. I'm that's a good question I would say that. Pick the Mike Up. Probably has the slight edge here Just on account of it, being an actual object and not a concept. Yeah. I feel like I could see that all right. Let's go to our final four fire making. Actually the people in the. Are we revolting here? Revolting, but I think it's safe to say that they're not going to you. I'm sorry we're not going to fire making. There's a flip on the revote and worth playing for has been voted out no final four five minutes Oh. Okay, interesting, so we can assume that no was the one that flicked right. Lately screwed sheds as Eddie chance that it had it just completely like it could have let it go to. Fire manipulates changed. My mind wasn't original. Pick the Mike up a change to worth playing for all a crab, no tattoo really sowing the seeds of chaos from beginning to end How's that going to play with? The jury? Just is that to be wishy. Washy I? Think nothing. No Tattoo has plan here for. I? Had to kind of decided at the last minute that it's better off going up against a pair. Okay because you know worth playing four has definite votes on that jury, so that gets the question is. Did it think like did it make decision literally between votes, or did it purposely say I'm going to switch my votes at the revote going into the tribal council Like I could see it being an epiphany right after the type of like, wait a minute if I flip my vote. Maybe they'll make me come across mastermind all get all the favor of I made the last big move of the game. Yeah I think that's. I think that's gotta be how it went down. Because otherwise it doesn't make it whole Tennessee sky with a play last voted for worth playing for pick the Mike Approach for playing. We're playing for voted for pick the Mike Up. With the Final Tribal Council, here is your final three. They've enjoyed delicious breakfast. It's no tattoo. It's outwit outplay. It lasts and pick the Mike Up. They're getting ready to face jury questioning. Wow I can't believe this final three. Okay two word not not. To the end that is crazy to me and made like the determining factor, and who the fourth place person was I am stunned. Look at the final end when triple Oh and pick the mike up were two out of the three votes that were left out to have them. Sitting in the final three is pretty damn miraculously, okay. Mike. Can you talk us through your feelings right now? So I mean. I don't want to jinx anything. I'm feeling very good about outwit outplay outlast both as a game player as a tattoo option. I would not be mad with pick the my up either I think pick the Mike up is very applicable to me in what I do even outside of survivor so i. feel like that could be another fun like occupational based Tattoo and no Tattoo again. It doesn't necessarily mean. Mean that I will never get one just means not compulsory so really to me. This is like a win. Win Win to be completely honest, even though no tattoo, I think would be the biggest WOMP. WOMP outcome. We've ever had in a brain steel in history. Jess, you put so many hours into this tattoo brand steel going through all the submissions. How are you feeling heading into this final three? Well none of none of my designs made it to the final three, so there's that. But yeah, honestly, this turned out a lot worse than it did. I'm feeling I'm feeling very happy in that like look out play last as part of like my top tier, but not the top tier so like I am happy to settle I, rolled the dice, and it came up in okay outcome I did it leaden. Seven but rule snake is either so I'm very happy right now. Okay just. Upset that two headed time traveling wolf isn't in this cast, but. We have fun to have in the season, okay? All right the we're going to face the jury. Mike. What's going to happen next when we go to the reunion? Show you all. Like these three face the vote, and then you'll click one more time, and that will determine it'll say outright winner is so. They want a time all right so. Where are we ready to find out the winner of Mike You Ready to find out your tattoo? Oh my God. We've reached this moment. I mean I think each of these three had a different aspect him like even though triple Oh and pick the mike up were pretty much the entire time there was a moment. Pick the Mike Up. Tried to make a move here, right? They tried to seize power didn't end up working made arguably one of the biggest moments of the season happen. No Tattoo has been a bottom feeder since day one when it nearly went home in the first vote that feels like a hell of a narrative triple lowest had its own moments of. Of working against the grain as well and has won a couple of challenges, too, so I think this is a pretty well balanced final three, but I think there's going to be one outcome that is not only the most favorable, but also makes the most sense. Okay, all right. We're going to go to the winner reveal. Find Out. What will be Mike Blooms, tattoo or no tattoo. The winner survivor islands of ink. IS GOING TO BE? Out. Laugh by a vote of seven, zero, two zero. Rushing triple. This was your favorite going in Mike Yeah. This is one of my this was Angela Bloom stump for this the entire way it had the bloom family name behind it said I'm doing different. Angela and it was able to prevail here on. I'm over the moon. Right now. Yes, wow, okay mic. Maybe you can put like. The outwit outplay outlast Tattoo. Once it's fully formed. We can get that temporary tattoos chat. Well, it's let's let's wait. Let's hold on the temporary tattoos, so we know exactly what Mike is going to get justice that makes sense I suppose, but it might be a long time before Mike get set. So, okay If we should all right, we'll figure out the logistics. And I will make the offer on air because I do agree that I think it is a damn shame that neither any of justice nor. Designs made the finale. Let alone the final three little in the winter, so I won't make the offer on air. I would love to collaborate with the two of you. With any other artistic people in in the community because I, you know we could make a boring will play last in a band around my arm, but I think we still have the capacity to make this very fun. Who can even sneak in some references to some of these competitors to not making any ordinary outwit outplay outlast outwit outplay out last. Okay, let's go ahead and we don't need to see. Voted was a sweep, a clean sweep for play outlast. What a game! What a game for play! Last! That was probably one of the more impressive games that I've seen Yeah, France Steel. Who was the fan favorite? Fanfare, but was no the soup. The soup feels like the casual favorite right very soupy, amazing lying I just love what the soups doing the soup so fun and warming. S Okay. And look at those ties. Look at these rock dries. What does the? SEASON WHAT AN EXCITING SEASON! It was crazy when like Oh, they go to a rock. Oh my God Dharma idol was voted out with an idol in its pocket, but how crazy things would get so five wins for the season thirty nine all but four compounds for without play out last, including to immunity wins and to reward winds. Yeah I think I. Think Trillo was one of those competitors that did like pretty well in everything probably excelled the most strategically to the point where it was voted most strategic, but I think it was doing well in every other aspect of the competition that it was able to win challenges when it needed to I'm very happy with this again I think hopefully some people aren't adding us much with like Oh. My God the most boring generic thing want. I really do feel like we can. First of all it's. It's very applicable to survivor. From the very beginning, it's some female winner female winner. It's I think it's a great motto for life, especially as we are trying to last through every day and again I think we can design it in a way that makes it very unique to me as well so I really think I personally think it checks a lot of Bocskai okay checks a lot of boxes. It's all happening eleven votes this season for play last despite. Winning unanimously. This really isn't type of game then. Yes it's an incredible job. Just what else do you have to say to sum this all up? This was this was quite the ride and I guess I. Don't see any universe other than the weird dark one. We're currently in where I get this invested in someone else's Tattoo. I'm glad that I was here to help it along and make sure that you got something that you're not gonNA regret for the rest of your life. No no regrets. No regrets let's arena. It will not be getting regrets. Next exactly but I. Have to thank you both as well I rob for giving me the opportunity to make this bold claim being able to to set this up as well as continuing your efforts to donate to direct relief in a time where you know. The country in the world really needs at and again. Jess, you're a resident tattoo expert. We would be absolutely lost were not for your guidance, and not only casting figuring out what makes a good Tattoo I'm sure this will not be our last correspondence. As figuring out, you know how we find the best artist. What are the do's and don'ts of actually getting the it seems like we have the location mind becoming up with the design so like this is a to be continued from a story perspective of Mike Blooms Tattoo but this is a definitive step in that story. Yeah. Wow, okay. Well into real, it's real it happened. Yeah, it was real. It's it's real. It's happening. My back. In the meantime between now and you get the tattoo well. What else do you have going on well? Of course, there's the coverage of tough as nails. Jarring Rob Cicirino Jessica Lisa myself so again. That's starting next week I think we're aiming to record those on Thursdays right because the shows airing on. We'll figure that out. We'll figure it out, but it's a nice piece of CBS. Reality TV when so much is up in the air that we figured we would give it a try. I'm also covering lost every week on down the hatch with Josh. Winkler were what you're talking about. Everything Dharma symbol and much much more speaking of Dharma symbol. We are approaching the end of season to a lot of Dharma affiliated stuff happens in both good and bad ways of course on. With reality, TV podcasting beyond Boris and I are going through time much like you and Josh and David and Jessica going through every week on the arch ap touching upon a different historical episode this coming week. We are this past week. We just did our hundredth episode. We believe someone told us that it was so we so we went along with it. We are so thankful to have the opportunity to do one hundred goofy silly podcasts at this one was absolutely no different. We had the great Allie Lash Ron so be sure to check that out. We continuing on with that starting with a cook, islands six, and of course we're covering top chef. I put in quotations. Because who's to say, we're going to be talking about top chef anymore. Ring cooking shows, but that's a really really fun group to talk about so I very much recommend people check that out as long as well as other little drips and drabs that will occur throughout this very rocky, weird reality TV off season. Who knows maybe we'll get on the brand steel train a couple more times over the course of this off season with more Kooky ideas, though nothing I think is Kooky as what we just did here. No nothing could be. A course. Jess. We're going to be talking about tough as nails. Anything else. You want to tell people to check out Yeah. I definitely want to tell people to check out over on the reality. TV wraps Channel Josh twitter and Brooklyn's Ed, and I are doing a rewatch of the seminal two thousand and one reality competition series, the mole McCall, and that mole patrol and a lot of fun we have. We have stolen some concepts from the HP in woven them into the fabric of the. And we're kind of going off on some weird wacky tangents and Josh. Quigley has never seen. The mold does not know who the mole is and is trying to puzzle out this eighteen year old mystery as we go along. okay all right well, looking forward to that as well so much going on as well on our H. A. P.. We had a very fun. If you missed it. On Tuesday night, we did a podcast joint podcast with the survivor specialists. Lauren Ashley Back. In our own Shannon Goss we talking about the State of survivor season forty one and beyond in this period where survivor is not filming. We thought this was a great time to take a look at some of the things. Survivor should look at addressing before they ever get back to filming if ever. Before they go back to the drawing board. Aunts and banks There was a really productive conversation that we had and I. Hopefully some people our listen to it. That matter in terms. That's you guys don't matter, but I mean like I'm talking about like the decision makers. Okay, the people. The people that are you know that You guys? You guys, you guys matter, but you're not. You know making survivor I don't think. I? Mean that'd be crazy if Some of the Mucketty mucks over at CBS. We're listening to this podcast. Mr Mucketty mucks rob. Yeah, okay, all right well of course. Thank you again for listening to all this nonsense so much of this is made possible by the Patriots of his podcasts to find out more but everything we have going on over on Patriots head over to rob has a website dot com slash patron beginning of a new month, always a great time to get onboard for everything going on our patron podcast, feed and everything going on on our Patriot community at ROB has a website dot com slash patron. Thank you so much. Take care of a good one bye.

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Signs Your Partner Is Cheating + Artist Tour Rider Game + Overrated Things

The Bobby Bones Show

46:27 min | 5 months ago

Signs Your Partner Is Cheating + Artist Tour Rider Game + Overrated Things

"Are All successful people full of crap I'm John Rowe. I'm an entrepreneur. You went from being broke at Twenty, eight to a millionaire twenty nine to having a mental breakdown at thirty here on the John Lewis show. I'M GONNA explore the roller coaster of life with the world's most successful people. Listen to the John Show every Monday on the iheartradio. APP Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts for more info, go to Roett DOT COM. That's our a DOT com. Transmitting. Come. See! Alaska. Eitam now for a segment we call. The whole thing here is to find things that by the way. Our loved. But you think are just overrated. I'll go first and I'm not overrated. Flaming Hot cheetos Oh my. Tried and you know what. They were pretty good. Yeah, but they weren't. What everyone was like you ever tried it. You don't think they're better than regular cheetos. They're fine. And they were still find a pretty good, but I say from the bottom of my heart they are. rated. By, the way who disagrees I do one hundred percent anybody else disagree. Good they're okay, they're little hot. There Aloha okay all right amy. Well, okay, so I tried this again because I wanted to give it a go and I still stand by my decision that I get game of thrones is totally overrated. I was flying and I I had downloaded see episode, one of season one a longtime ago and tried to give it a go, and then when I was on a recent flight I was going through my being like. Oh, what can I watch that already downloaded and I was like Oh. Third is I'm going to give it a go. Well Nope Nope Nope, auspey on this that I am a game of thrones lover, but it takes more than one. It takes about four or five episodes. Really love it, and and and I do think as a lover of game of thrones. It's also bit overrated because the hype kind of became what it was more so than the show. Still I think the best show of not my favorite show, but I think the best show of my lifetime. Bomb that I missing out on the best show of your lifetime, but it's not going happen. The story lines the money, the actors what it did pop culture. POWERPOINT pry the biggest and best show of the lifetime. Not My favorite. But. I I can get why you would say that amy. From someone who loves it, but we will. We'll sing it for you now. What two three? Watch box booth. There's a TV show that everybody loves and I was late to the train on this one and I watch it. It's okay, but I don't think it's one of the best of all time like people say, and that's friends like but. I think if you didn't watch friends back in the day. It's not that good now. It doesn't hold up wonderfully unless you for in it when it happened. Right and so I watch, the reruns is how I catch it and. This is okay, but all the hype it gets people I'd like. It's the greatest show to ever grace our TV. I love friends, but I was having this conversation with someone who. Is Twenty eight twenty nine years old. She's like it's fine, said Oh, because you didn't get to experience while it was on. If you it's I would say like the fresh prince of Bel Air is a wreck is what I would compare it to me like if I watch it now, you're like this is stupid. Shop ever seen, but because you watched it when you were a kid and it was so cool, then you still have those feelings about it now and so I. Want you not love it? But I get why you would say that now. It's not overrated to me because I still get the joy that I've always had from. Friends is at overrated anybody on I like it. I don't even know that. We can't to that. Yes, and yes, it is. We chant all of them. All right very good. Thank you, guys. You can add yours now. Let's not put those on instagram because it's GonNa turn into a our facebook. Fight. This is one of those what I don't want up. Because this people going to be fighting about it the whole time I'd rather you put up. WHO's your favorite political person? So match the artist with their tour writer, and what a rider is is what you request whenever you go to a venue to show. Your three choices are Derek, Stanley Kid rock or Luke Bryan okay. This next one is going to be one of those three. M Era. I Dirk Spending Kid, rock or Luke Bryan Ready. this artist asks for a selection of fruit of the loom or hanes underwear. Specifically they want to pack a white t shirts, a pack of White Tank tops and a pack of a white boxer shorts. In, addition they ask for a pair of white crew socks, so as part of the rider all this is there and by the way it's all like white. REALIZED THAT SO Dirk Spelling Kid Rock Luke Bryan. You got the underwear. The T shirts white tank tops, white boxer shorts white tree socks, is it? Kid Rock or Luke Bryan. I feel like it's kid rock. You. Feel that your answer. Sorry, Kid Rock. That's correct is. Up! By the way just because they have, this isn't mean that's all, and there's because mine we play theaters I always request a three pack of white socks and one pair of Red Sox. The socks because you always like to have clean socks could be traveling. You lose socks. I'm on my feet the whole show so just in case. So, and also home where? I have the greatest sock election. Okay, lunchbox! Your three options are fatal. Carrie underwood or Shania Twain. Faith Hill Carrie Underwood Shania, twain on the Ryder Lemons Papayas Mangoes Bananas Melons Beets Broccoli and ten pounds of carrots. The artist also requests a canine sweep the area to deter people from making fake bomb threats. Additionally, they have their own security dog. Now. Is that fatal. Carrie underwood. Or Shania Twain. May limits pies mango all this ten pounds of carrots. Carrots. Canine Canadians like carrots. Twain. Nine Oh Dang. She's juicing those right. Eating all that. Eddie come on. Your options are Tim McGraw love. Him. Keith urban or Sam Hunt. Perfect, this artists asks for two breakfasts. One from before a workout at one for after neither seem to have a grandma fat, though singer specifically requests butter be used ever the mills, our full fresh vegetables and steamed chicken after the show, he requests a few cans of coke and Pepsi for the tour bus. Hogan helps. For the tour bus. It's Tim McGraw Keith. Urban or Sam Hunt. Okay I've taken Keith of this. Why he wakes up later. Any breakfast. Sam sends a big dude. He needs fatten his diet. He says Timothy. What. Keith. Keith why? Why guys I got tricked next time he comes in. Let's ask him how true this. Could be an old writer. Amy. Hey, I'm going to give you one. You guys. Can both guess this one at your out? Sorry Buddy, I think you. The three options are Reba. Dolly or Kerry. Okay. In this artist's rider, the singer asked clear plastic Solo Cups, and for all refreshments to be presented in arranged with delicate touch. While, limiting flower to a minimum one should strive to bring her sodas and bottled waters in a way that provides and overall pleasing presentation. Is it. REBA Dolly or Carey. So like she wants to be served. Maybe her soda on a platter got be I'm the win just pleasing. Pleasing. Collie okay I'm in. House Dolly Amy. Dolly REBA. Sorry. We'll just call that one tie. Nice job, everybody. But Hey we learned a lot about our friends here. I WANNA. All those writers are there. We should ask them all when they come in Ma Ka again if you're looking at, it's a bunch of bars. what else is online limes Oh. And Orange Slices Twelve and then Soda Water Club Whatever Watermark Water and then Eddie S. I'm a bottle of wine now. Oh, is that what you? Beer! That's why you have a bottle of wine. Something like pulled it out of your pocket. You'd like. A magician, and I only drink like a glass after show so I ended up putting my backpack and taking it back to my hopes. Own. Show. Jessica in Maryland. WHO's on the phone hey? Jessica thanks for calling the bobby bones show what's going on. Find. Curl Karl thank you guys told. for everything that you do for the last year and a half is in driving a two hour commute one way in the morning that you guys have gotten through some of the worst Commute Baltimore and DC and I just wanted to call in. Thank you guys so much for that. You were driving two hours one way. One Way. How many days a week! Days a week. Insane! You're spending four hours driving A. Yeah Yeah, four hours a day and my car. So I spent a lot of time listening to you guys a lot of time listening to the podcast and a bunch of other podcasts, holy moly. Are you driving less now or no? I'm driving. Yeah I will be. I'll be working from home. Goodbye? We lost her. Thank you. Jessica. My Alexa parties. He's already for us, so we're. Well, we're fed up. We appreciate you spending time with us in your car for Europe Mental Health I'm glad you're not driving two hours to and from what kind of job is again where you have drive that far? It's a nonprofit job. Looking She's amazing driving to help others. I'd have been like you know they're gonNA. I'm GONNA find a different job. Appreciate you calling good luck with being able to work from home. Get US okay. We're GONNA. Lose you a little bit I can tell already, but don't forget us OK. Guys thinking I so much later. It's time for the good news. So, after six years in Indiana shelter, a twelve year, old pit, bull boxer mix named Sandy, has found forever home. Yes, six years so half of her life she was there and there was a volunteer terry that work there and walks sandy all the time, and now she's like Oh man. I'm glad she found forever home but I'm GonNa Miss Walking. Her They threw this party to wish Sandia by rolled out a red carpet for her to walk down to her new family and yeah, this shelter says that sandy left behind eighty dogs in two hundred cats, siblings, and that they they. This is like an orphanage. They don't put any dogs down any cats down. They keep them they will live there until they find a home or until they pass away, so yeah. Oh, NOT REAL BLOOD SIBLINGS! He's all at the at the. Many animals! They're wild brothers. So shout out to the Marian Grant Humane Society and they run solely on donations whether monetary toys or pet foods already awesome. That is a good one. That's what it's all about. That was. Tell me something good. Show. This story comes from Portland Oregon. A twenty four year old man had outstanding warrants. Police try to pull them. Oversight Man I gotTa make a run for it drives. A car goes into a neighborhood says I got digit jumps out runs towards a river steals a Kayak. Kayak Brahms, he didn't have any yours. You gotTA use his arms, and he got tired, and they just got in a boat and got him out of the Mill River. You probably wouldn't be able to paddle along with your arms. In a Kayak that being exhausted. Stealing things along the way whatever he could find, everything's escalating. On your belly to. Belly Land Kayak and Give Up. Yeah, there, you go! That's your boneheads story today. Bones y'all go over to Chris in Alabama. Who is on the phone right now Chris? What's happened a man morning mourning studio morning. Quick question for you. You have bad customer, service, experience, or or something you feel it's appropriate to kind of put back company or those in that individual that experience on blast on social media, or do you kinda frown away from that? What I do is I. Don't go back I. I mostly treated, good or bad reward or punishment with me spending their further. Further because you can have bad customer service where there, and because it's a worker who works there and not penalize the whole institution like you got somebody who's opened up a small business or someone who's opened up a chain. They can't be there all the time and they've hired someone and that someone has a bad day. I don't really let that affect. My feelings toward making sure everybody knows about it. And also I've had bad days and. I hope people would give me a little bit of grace. Sometimes have bad days, so unless like the owner punch you in the face I would just just not go back. I think really the. Best Way to reward or punish, someone is with your business or without Your Business I. Don't know that will be getting social media. Going the sucks for you. Don't do it because you really get nothing. Except that instant gratification of I showed you, and then you probably feel bad about it later right, and then you kind of wish. I would have done that I've also had days. I'm glad people can't get a social media and do one like. Bob Your second person because I will get though sometimes, so I'm going to say that. No I just I don't think putting people on blast. Generally a good idea. Sometimes I give. There's a place for that company that you can write a review. Probably share your experience, but it doesn't have to be I. Mean I don't know it doesn't have to be on blast. It doesn't have to be a public thing because you can really mess up someone's. Really Affect someone's business in a bad way. So. Thank you so much for taking my call and answer my question. I really appreciate it. Love the show morning corneas, my favorite jam and you guys do a great job. Thank you so much. Thanks, Christie Letterman. All right bye-bye. millbank Raimondo. Can we open up the Mailbag Cure? MAILBAG. And you guys can email us at anytime. Ask any question you want. We try to get to as many of them as possible. They write good morning studio morning. My girlfriend and I like to watch different shows on Sunday nights. Her show is on one channel. My show is on another. She insists we watch them together I her show. Then my show on demand understand why we have to do that. We have two TV's in the apartment. Why can't I go in one room and she and the other? Is it necessary that we watch shows together, even if one of US hates this show is this sort of bonding moment that I'm missing? It feels like force bonding I. Don't make our watch football with me in the afternoon on Sunday. Sign, Matthew! Me I'm to your thoughts. How Matthew! What's the big deal? You get to watch your favorite show? You get to spend time with her. Something are doing together. I get wanting to be together and not be in separate rooms on separate. TV's suck it up I. Can I? Can I just toss this? Law example. So. This is not the same thing, but a lot of whenever parents fight. Let's say parents are GONNA split up and they go I. would rather us be happy apart than fighting the kids watching like I would rather not be rocky relations I'd rather be a part that have that rocky relationship, not a much much smaller level, a micro level. What if you were both just happy separate watching your shows, because doesn't that make everything happy? She's clearly not. She wants in there I know she does so. I'm just asking that question because here's what he has to way. Is it more important to him to keep her happy or to is happiness? He gets about watching a show alone. Yeah, like whichever one that wins, that's that's what you go. League if if if it's really important to her, it doesn't matter what it is. He's getting comfortable. If it's okay, and that's okay you got to. Get comfortable with each other Accurate would also have regards for feelings. All My and this is why I'm going to leave my opinion on. How important is it to you that she stay happy. Because you can avoid a lot of drama just by giving her this when she probably giving you things and and take one for the team for you at times take. Don't don't suck it up as amy says. Take one for the team. Relationships are. Each other looking out for each other, and I'm sure she stepping in for you at times when she doesn't want to do stuff, so. If. It's important to her. Whatever it is and you can do it. Why not do it? Well in a different way. You're a little, your little more course. Suck. It said Sir. I was like. Is this really that big of a deal like you still wash your show y'all get to be together I under I because. I can totally relate to wanting to be not to not be separate during. You, would you rather your husband be miserable and with you more happy in a part? That was my first question what? Whitney! Right and so you watch. Roles and he's. But you're like, thank you. I'm just so glad you're with me, but it's also the. Next, I'm GonNa Watch with him I might be miserable through that, but I'm not miserable, because I'm with him, but I'm just asking about his feelings. Would you rather him be miserable and with you? Or happy and apart just a question. I guess happy and apart but. Why would he be miserable? Here's what I'M GONNA say Matthew Or I think you should really work with. I hope you're communicating this to her, not just as her I think she has I would tell her the same thing whatever it may not be TV shows to him, but whatever's important to him. You kind of need to stick your neck in there and be like okay. I'm here for Ya. So matty! Suck it up. Yeah Right. Mattie. We both agree I mean I both agree that you just need to get with the program and make this work if it's that important to her, but definitely communicate to her, and then she might need to get with the program to in other areas. Those areas, are we? All right okay. That was Balmy. MAILBAG! I'll give you an easy theme song like this. The bill, Just tell me the show. Ranchers down, guys, you guys can all play all right Morgan. GonNa happened this, too. Is It'd be harder for you can play so right Sharani down if you miss it. You're eliminated Ami. lunchbox are video producer, Eddie and Morgan number two. Does all our digital ready to play up it down here? You go number one. and. then. Adding that I don't think I. Can't think of either while all right play more time I'm GONNA. I know who's in the show. That was like the this is like a softball softball. It's the first one. No one gets cut in the first round. It's like on who wants to be a millionaire. You you ask what's two plus two is three four five. All right amy. And a baby. Movie Right. Eighties okay. I think it was three minutes back. You're close to the show. That's not. Two and a half men. That's it. I wasn't laughing because I wrote two men and a baby. Weight I know that it later got weird because the boy got old and it was like this isn't to have any more. And more number two two and a half men. All right here we go. This is the next one. Our town are you in? You don't know this one. This is so easy to run this game bag. Boys over this quick. Lucky writing. Down Nine Oh two one. Oh No! Much box Dawson's creek there you go. He wins the first one they're. Running back. Let's go back all right all right here. We go next up. Everybody's back in, but. Now he won. TV theme words. I'm and. You guys know this Eddie. How're you bombing? Dude I don't know these are a little past. His prime. He was like thirty by them. Sounds like of the eighties. In. Amy Nine into an outright. Lunch box I don't know Eddie step by step. You're really not good at this maybe twice a year because you're the game player of two thousand nine. You're the champion of two thousand nine hundred. Mortgage, I had bad men, not bad men. Guys, you've dated we're. We're looking for the name of TV shows. thinking bad boys. Okay here Amy lunchbox are now in here. We go next one up. do saying. Tune. In stand will. Own! Live meal anyway. I I do this is the one the one. The oldest one I will try. That or not more knows probably sometimes. Think maybe sure mighty. Would you check that for me? Amy Wonder Years Yeah. Good there, he goes. To the wonder years. Started in eighty eight. I guess it'd be like early. Eighty. Realize that number to what you were. You born ninety three. Crazy you had five years to go to be born before that show started. And then Beverly Hills. Ninety, not that far apart. A couple of years okay next up. I'm in the wind. Up Frazier. It sounds a bit like that. aiming for the win, everybody loves Raymond. Okay so lunchbox on one. Let's do a Sunday for the whole championship at this whole game all right. which by the way I guess I'm GonNa Talk to you about in a second. I'm White Way. Name so this is a speed to see. Who wins the whole thing, okay, are you ready? Name that easy TV theme song. These are all old school, but our day old school. Here we go say your name as the Buzzer. Nothing is. Done. Wrong. Hit Number One. Option other we go to another one hit number one. The year was nineteen eighty four when the show started. Hit that club begin Raimondo. Sweet. Nineteen, eighty four, the show started. Number two. There was a family. Hit number three. NEW YORK? New York family. Ready for the big. Name hit number four the main character of this show. Is imprisoned amy. Sanford and son in. The cosby show. SAN's like. I know I can't believe that. Is Banning it. and. Banning Fan. Right, yes, Red Fox and and I think this is the first cosby show theme song. Because they were too later, there were many. Did a late. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, That's. Yes I'm trying to figure out. Why like how would I miss that? I was a hard one. Good Job Lunchbox, a pretty fun game for me. Here at one son death gives us last sudden death when everybody just jump in if you know just your name. Fears yeah there you, go. It's time for the good news. and. A GRANDPA from Minnesota has finally gotten his high school diploma more than seventy years after he left school. Clifford Hansen just received it at ninety one years old and a special graduation ceremony. His family was there to cheer them on as he got his honorary degree from Benson High School. He dropped out in the eighth grade because his dad was sick and had to say the family farm. which he did by the way. And then he's ninety one. He told the nurse in the senior living facility still wished you could have gotten it, so they made it happen. It will learning got it had the whole ceremony pretty cool Super Candy one years old. That's what it's all about. That was telling me something good. Over to amy with the morning, Corny, here we go. Rock. Morning Corny. What does the Sorus eat for breakfast? What does that the source for breakfast synonym numeral? A Synonym Roy. That's funny. Rock. That was. Morning Gorny Leah is on the phone in Florida Lee Good Morning. Good Morning Bobby, morning, studio. With You Have accused of murdering need help so my sister. Is Getting Ready to propose at the end of January and he wanted me to try yesterday to see if they with it. They never looked at rings together and the ring is super. Extra Super. Gaudy my sisters so simple. And I. Don't know if I said tell him. My mom called me this morning. Can you tell them? I don't know too so good question well first of all my first question is. Do you have the same ring finger size is? You're trying it on for her. Yeah we're actually the same. Okay, so, Amy, what do you think about this Wow, that's hard because and this is the opposite of what sometimes you hear like. Some girls would be like. Oh, it's not. It's not enough, but this is like too much too much expensive like too much extra extra. Oh man that I. Feel like if you know her style, you know her taste. You need to tell him. I feel like he wouldn't have come to you if he didn't want some sort of feedback and it's not like you're throwing feedback on them where? You're going. Oh, here's what I feel about even though you didn't ask right here. Yeah, he's asking for your help. And you love your sister more than him. You have her. In Mind and you're saving her from having to. Go the rest of her life with the extra Gaudy ring, or you're saving from having to to even tell him awkward then and then they may not stay together because it's so awkward, so you can take the then they get the divorce rate goes up and then we're penalized and it's all because you. Okay Here's what we're going to say. He did. Come to you for advice like you just saw it in a box, right? He came to you. I would say what let's call him Chuck No. An odd name for a fella. How old is he? Only twenty okay, not many trucks that are twenty, but okay. Hey Chuck. I, Know You love her I? Know you show me this ring I? Don't think this her style and it is going to be awkward, but you as a loving sister have take that awkwardness on you in her honor, and you certainly do it. Yeah you, I think you my advice is. He came to you to run it by you? You should have it ran by you. Truly insincerely and go. I. Don't think this is for her. I know her before you go and get her something. She doesn't like I would suggest kind of scaling it down. I would even put it like. Hey, you probably knew this before you got it that. She loves really simple things and make kind of empower him to make that decision. Even go and I'm not saying change it, but you know you. You know as well as I do. She really loves simple things so if you could find. Yeah, it's an awkward. Thing but I'm GONNA. Say that Leah. I think that's super helpful, thank you. Good luck. Let us know how it goes. Lights Out Talk to you soon. All those alarm drivers, a northern California highway spot of the young girl Saturday evening in a vehicle, holding up a handmade sign that she just took Rhode. Helped me. She's not my mom help. My Gosh I. Know What would you do if you saw this? Call Nine, one one after motorists on highway, ninety, nine southbound group called nine one one. CHP officers and a canine unit performed a high risk stop. I mean talking about the whole thing. It's a big deal. Then they discovered the girl was just being funny. No. And made the assign as. Mom didn't even know mom didn't know the road it and held up. Can you imagine if you were the mom? How long was this girl I? O If star share ever did that to me. In big black sharpie on a piece of notebook paper. And this has helped me. She's not my mom. I mean that's one way to get. hairball and Hilarious, terrible terrible right, but also I could see a little bit hilarious, but very terrible like. Hopefully they to relationship in then you know ten twenty years now as an adult, they'll look back and laugh. Remember that time. No but I. Could be one of those like we don't talk about that. Like. Just think though if you're driving down the road and you see that you for sure. Yes, you have to. If you're a copy for sure, treat it like a kidnapping situation where someone hostage. Unless, he researched like. While I don't know maybe you can. It doesn't hold. Just a juvenile so i. don't know you got to be at least eleven bright like ten or eleven and up. Because they handwriting's pretty good. And of that and to think that that's like. That's like well. I'm like you shouldn't do it, but it's the second level prank. No, my daughter's twelve inch e Cook. She would do that maybe thinking that it's funny. She's kind of a jokester. She makes jokes me all the time. She likes to like act like she's choking and Pastel. And then I'll now ask. Now how it'd be so mad if my son did that. Really A. Year later right fast forward calendar year I don't know because you've got to think you're driving. You get pulled over like what wait a year later afterward. What and stuff them. I mean prizes spikes out after a year later though. This is the bad one. Why are you laughing? Because it's funny, okay? So Larry's. Own Getting a lot of texts saying don't take pills without water, especially, metamucil I don't do it for fun. If I'm just GONNA do a quick hit is dome and swallow them real quick. Yeah, I think probably to. You need the water like help. You do all that. Bragging I am pretty good at it, and you are not point. It wasn't about that. It's like can take a pill without water. Talent off me. Now Thank you. Let's go over to Madison in Ohio. WHO's on the phone Madison? Appreciate your call and what's going on? Hey. Oh just calling on my way to work this morning. Do you want to say? I didn't want to say. I. Listen To you. Every I especially love sorry bobby, but when any picks on you and it's probably my favorite part in the morning. Love Bill so good. Way No matter what. Or whenever I listen to you guys one. Day, so much better. just looking Amy's morning. Corny or boxes bonehead story. literally. Friday better well. Thank you very much. thanks for listening in Ohio and Tell your friends about us. Please don't give us any sort of budget or promotions. We count on you to spread the word. Definitely do. See later. Domes! Hi I'm Devin. LEARY and I'm Carolina Barlow and we're here to tell you to dump him. Break up with your boyfriend and we have somehow scammed the IHEART radio network into giving us our own podcast to talk about our love lives entre true romance will be discussing such a romantic misadventures as when Devon threatened to slash someone's tires because they wouldn't hook up with her or when Carolina peed the bed on Valentine's Day. Just, cute romantic stories like that, so yeah. If you need help with your love, life you nowhere to go, we'll be giving expert advice every week. True Romance Premiers July sixteenth on the iheartradio, APP, apple, podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. It's time for the good news. How much box? Out in Mesa Arizona in the middle of the night. This neighbor wakes up and goes. Oh, my gosh. My Neighbor's house is on fire, so ty runs. Next door starts banging on the door and there's a ring doorbell camera, so we started looking into it and he's Yellen. Your House is on fire. Your House is on fire. The MOM answers the door. He takes the two year old girl out to the street tie runs in and gets the other daughter out of the House POW also to go up to the cameras. We're talking to the camera. That's pretty aware. Pretty aware to go okay, but they can hear me because again. It's been on your. You're going to answer it. Somebody comes to my door I. Have the APP to I just go. WHO's out there? Also standing on the other side of the right. Through the door, but yeah, that's a good story. That is what it's all about right there. That was telling me something good. I was reading this story about how they say. You can tell if your partner is cheating by how they handle their phone. Ready Ready. One they get tax at all hours of the day or night. Okay Don't a lot of people know? Soil Hours. I mean no, we kind of have. Where fault, unless you have a job where people are reaching out to all the time about crazy things, even I, don't I my phone has that low alert goes up to eight o'clock. Messages unless you dig in Oh, you said it. Oh, yeah, that's good. That's smart because I. Try to be in bed at eight. Never Fall Asleep in but but yeah I don't get techs often even as as nutty as my schedule as emails come in all the time. But. That's the one to watch. The person never lets their phone or their tablet out of their sight. They can't just leave it. You've got kids. I felt like they always have my. Oh true your kids cheating. The only place they can have tiktok you. Wake up and see the person on their phone in the middle of the night. When you don't expect them to be. They think it's a safe space when you don't see them and finally if they get defensive when you mentioned their phone news because we're already trying to hide, something are sensitive about it. Yeah, so Yeah, just just a few tips, therefore you. Did. If someone's doing those things, they're probably the probably got aside. That's good chance. Clearly didn't think so Caffeine apparently is such a big thing that half of Americans say that. If they don't get their caffeine, their day will not be good fifty percent of people I get a headache. Oh you still get you get headaches if you don't have about what time of the day though like, when does the withdraw hit? You mean I would say somewhere mid morning by noon, but I have some form caffeine every day whether it's coffee, tea, tea, and or macho will also T, but anyway I'll notice. Why do I have a headache door? Need to drink more water, and then I'll realize oh, shoot. I haven't had my caffeine yet today. which isn't a good thing, it's not so that's when all normally like wean myself off a little bit and then get. Back Up. For me, it's about two days. Because I don't do a lot of caffeine, but if I don't have two I'll start to go. A little not right here. My shoulders. Piano in the studio today, but practicing a lot, so I set this up. I'll play you a famous country song. My piano just named the song. Oh cool amy lunchbox produce ready. These are all from different time periods, but they're all major hits. Are you guys ready? We're ready. Piano Song Number One. BRINGME Got It one hundred percent. Right. Now. Aiming. Woman, Amen? What is it, I. Know Eddie you doesn't want further win. Body like a back road. Again well. That was a quick game here. Name. Here now! Last Que. Go and. I know very. By the way, not really playing this. One Oh. You're going to go with. All right here's another one. Do you WanNa? I Go next up. Win. Amy! Go. Girl crush I about this? Crash. Hey Tim. Can you name this on piano? The dance dance is Eddie. Better. Let's do one more. Money. Dia Happy Man Rhett, just happy man, happy men. Why would you do that? Dia Happy. Go. Winter though there. There's only one game day I wanNA. Get you one the game. Was the first one. I got right. And also you didn't miss another one score the whole time. You want to. From the bass pro shops and CABELA's studio on music row the body. Don't show appreciate. You guys hanging out the funny story, so Eh, Missouri a woman is laying on all the matches to see which bed. She likes buying a bed to go to the store. And, so she's testing the mattresses and she falls asleep. Well, they didn't see your fall asleep. And they turn the lights off the store, and they go home and lock the door, and so she had. She spent the night in the store movie. Yeah, they were called the store after an employee. Found a woman wandering through it after it was closed because she fell asleep when they shut it down and they they went away, so yeah, she was testing it out. She must have been retired. Never. Back in the day, when I would go to the mattress store and test out matters only a few times. But I never could get a legit feel at the storm. What I liked because it all felt comfortable snore. Try the Farley on the like who is pretty good, they're. Pretty. Good I never. Never I am very. I'm a thirty. My sleep number thirty right now so I definitely know what I am but I never could go to the store and test because they all felt good because they were new. Yeah? I'm not a I'm a firm all the way, but again it is firmer soft. That's not my point is is that I could go on land all of them and they all felt good to me. I can never use the mattress store in the buying day as a good method of picking out a mattress because they were new, so they all just felt good. Mattress one time back in the day I went home and it was miserable and so. Can you return a mattress candidate I was so I was so lazy I just love for like five years, though with it I just don't. I made my bed literally all that allying. Thanks for listening check out the PODCAST. The bobby bones show on iheartradio or wherever you listen to your podcast, go goodbye. Shows. Hi! This is patronage, and I have a podcast called. Playing around I, used to play professional golf naive. Flaunting my leverage on the Instagram we talk about golf. We talk about life to get serious. We make it funny. You never really know where we're going to go with. 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Season 4 - Episode 8

They Walk Among Us

52:32 min | 1 year ago

Season 4 - Episode 8

"<music> welcome to season for episode eight. They walk among us. A podcast dedicated to U K true crime listener caution is advised this episode it contains adult themes and descriptions that some listeners may find distressing. Deana homes was born in Hendon North London in nineteen sixty two parents margarethen Michael himes Dina studied hard at school when she was twenty two while working for the Woolwich Building Society in Arundel she met Lee Wyatt Year after meeting the Pan moved into a property located in Green Oaks Lancing West Sussex in October of the following year they became husband and wife while they experienced several instances of heartbreak nick after a number of miscarriages in the birth of a still born baby when Dean was twenty seven she gave birth to the couple's only child Darren in nineteen ninety-seven the path had big ambitions instead of a business while working regular day Jobs Dina Lee Cross was launched through that line of soft toys by their self created characters shown the leper corn on which the toys were based. I am a fortune and be developed into a hit animation film for children following a holiday. In Florida Dina convinced her husband that they would be earning fifty million pounds through a deal she had struck with the Walt Disney Company. This was far from the truth is at home the business at folded Dina still continue to convince Lee that they were on track to make millions in America doc was just taking time meanwhile lita cajal but the Bedford Hotel in Brighton and Dina started to steal money in installments from the Building Society where she worked <music> soon the woolly chat twenty six thousand pounds missing from that books around this time Dina Meta man who she began an affair with Julian Leeann web was selling advertising for the West Sussex is at unaware his partner was having an affair Lee and his wife applied for a mortgage in Acton village in West Sussex near the southeast coast of England Leeann deny mostly apart while they was preparing the new house three months after the purchase on July twenty second nineteen ninety-one Lee was shocked to be served divorce papers from his wife. Then new home amongst the reasons it stated Lee White was quick tempered and then now four year old son was afraid of him just over a month later. Lee received more legal who correspondence when he found out Dean Hood got an injunction against him stopping Lee from having contact with this Sun Li got in touch with his wife and she responded and why is no popa aw it's not real a few months on in early November Lee white found out his wife had bigamous marriage Judy and web lead kept in touch with Dana but she insisted they had to a separate for their own safety. The Mafia had found out about the fifty million pounds. They were set to make through that deal with Disney and they wanted a cut Dina. Totally his life was in danger was instructed to change his name and move somewhere else so we could not be tracked down before the move to America convinced by what Dana told him Lee did indeed up sticks in fear for his life at first sleeping rough on park benches waiting for the money to come in so he his wife and son could move to Florida Lee found work in Cornwall fixing arcade machines on a low wage. She sent most of his money money to Dina living on his little as he could afford every time he made contact with his wife. She insisted the coast was not yet clear and the mafia which she had dubbed the G. Squad was still after him unbeknownst to Judy and web is new wife is already married and Lee wired had thought Dana was building the foundations to start a new life together in Florida but the theft of nearly thirty thousand pounds from her job was beginning to catch up with her Dina had no intention of taking the rap and persuaded swayed her first husband Lee white to confess to the theft in a series of letters. Lee later said she lives a life of lies in fantasy and I was the marquee winter long with it. <music> destroy phone call was made to police by Dean or on February eight nineteen ninety-three. She told the operator she had been attacked and she knew exactly who the assailant was. She claimed to have been a time when someone knocked to the front door in her statement that the entrance of the property Lee want lunged Medina then smashed her head against the wall. She said this attack was followed by brutal sexual assault Dino's examined and her injuries lined up with her recollection of the attack this included vaginal bruising bleeding bands and bruises to her neck yet. When police caught up with Lee Wyatt they discovered the Alabama he provided we did them checked out? He was actually it worked during the time of the alleged assault hundreds of miles away from Dina when the incident was set to have taken place since she was insistent it was her first husband unle Wyatt and his alibi was airtight. Police came to the unusual and uncomfortable conclusion that the injuries were self inflicted. Three most similar claims were reported by Dana. The outcome was always the same. There was no evidence Lee White was even in the area at the time of the attacks years later Dina would admit that at least two of these alleged attacks were fabricated briquetted. Julian Webb celebrated his thirty first birthday on June thirtieth nineteen ninety-four. He had a fondness of really spicy food so along with his wife. They had an extra spicy curry for his birthday dinner but afterwards he fell ill. Julian's mother Rosemary Web cooled the House three times on his birthday to speak to her son but each time Dina said he was too unwell to. I police cards or even to speak to her leave. The next good morning. Rosemary received a cool from the police. The news was every parent's worst nightmare. Originally child was dead. <music> funeral was held for Julian on August twenty fourth nineteen ninety four is wife place flowers at his graveside which read to Julian because you loved me so dna the day later or an open verdict was ruled at the inquest into his death and an exact cause could not be determined <music>. The Penny was beginning to finally drop for Dina's first husband Lee Wyatt he insisted on meeting meeting with her in Florida the place where she promised they would start a new life but went overseas Lee found out his wife was now romantically involved with someone else Robert White Dina's new lover had agreed need to travel to America with her. She convinced him she had only a few weeks to live because of a growth on her kidneys <music> in nineteen ninety five the law finally caught up with Dana facing seven charges of theft and to a forgery relating waiting to the money she stole from the Witch Building Society Judge Eric grint Moore said during her trial she was one of the most fluent lives I've ever come across Dina was sentenced to eighteen months in jail following her release. Dina met a man could fill trot by chance while shopping in worthing the path heated off and she asked him out on a date. The lies started almost immediately when she claimed she had throat cancer <music>. The relationship didn't last when a few weeks later he discovered she had taken five hundred pounds from his bank account through lonely hearts column in Nineteen ninety-seven Dina Snotty to date another another man Graham binks she once again claimed to have terminal cancer and invited her new boyfriend on an all expenses paid holiday to Florida unbeknownst to Graham she hadn't paid for the trip told Dina had open grams male stealing his credit card and blowing four thousand four hundred and four pounds on the trip <music> finely nineteen ninety-seven diener and Lee y divorced the year later she met Richard Thompson vire lonely hearts column in a newspaper they married the British Telecom's manager the following year and they lived together in the village of Rusting Ten West Sussex the pay married in a ceremony on a beach in Florida and with a new last name Dean Thompson now had a fresh start but history began to repeat itself when like her previous relationships. She promised her new husband alive in America she claimed to have won three hundred thousand thousand pounds on the national lottery but could not get to the funds as they were tied up in a bank in Jersey Dina said she had a contact in Florida to get Richard a job as a fishing boat captain but unfortunately her contact act was indisposed at the time. This mystery man was working undercover for the F._B._i.. Also claimed she was a college teacher and an antiques dealer alarmingly she also lied again again about having cancer both in breast and ovaries telling her new husband that time was running out as the diagnosis was terminal upon being told this Richard was convinced and took thirty six thousand pounds in his retirement fund to move to Florida. He gave his wife three thousand pounds so she could use the money as a deposit on a house. The funds were instead used to pay off the balance of a credit card which diener it secretly taken out take new husband's name Iraq activities became more suspicious when she inquired about Richard Surrendering. He's eighteen nine thousand pound life insurance policy scam off the scam followed relate with each moral delicious than the last when finally she put the house up for sale without telling her husband it was only a matter of time before the ruse was discovered and Dina confess to Richard want she had done on the council. After this point diverge Dean Richard provided conflicting statements as to what happened next Dana Thompson claimed after finding out about the lies and missing money Richard Thompson attacked her while they were having sex the husband on the other hand cities wife had tried to kill him with a metal baseball bat and a knife in the kitchen when he was bound to the floor with masking tape and a leather the belt in a bondage sex session in August two thousand Dena Thompson appeared at Lewes Crown Court for the attempted murder of Richard Thompson and was facing fifteen additional charges of deception. She denied that she attacked a husband. However admitted meted to the deception charges? A handwriting expert told the court she thought his signature on a loan agreement from the Abbey National in Richard Thompson's name was signed by Dena Thompson <music> cooled by the Defense Richard Thompson's ex wife Sarah Haughey told the court the TEREX husband who she married in Nineteen ninety-four whose main violent he had a tendency to burn through money in that bank account but ton NAS if she spent any of their joint finances speaking about a husband at the time Sarah Hockey said he was very selfish and we'll get angry. If I spent money he was aggressive and would play out like a spoilt child. When he wasn't winning the point he would get violent? You would push me about hits me. This happened several all times. After the couple married. They purchased a cottage together a property a plan to fix up the witness said things did not go to plan when they moved in is the money they I saved for the renovations with Spence by Richard. A further bone of contention in the Union was Richard Sexual Preferences discussed bondage was interested in all sorts of fantasy sex sex which wasn't Sarah hokey stated. He wanted to tie me up but I didn't agree. He persisted for a wall but I made it quite clear. Roy Wasn't interested ago the impression he had done it before and it was something he wanted to continue to do. Zehra hockey divorced her husband on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour in nineteen ninety-seven. <music> from the stand Richard Thompson spoke about his new wife Dina until the court. I fell for her personality. Trust deter one hundred percent. The prosecution postulated that Dean Thompson a tried to kill her husband because she was scared to tell the truth that she had lied about having an abundance of money having cancer because she had stolen from her husband counsel for the Defence Joanne Greenberg Q._C. admitted Dena Thompson was a con woman but said she would not have attempted such a clumsy mudder. If a client intended to kill Richard Thompson she said she would have used I ha powers of manipulation and discovered a way which would not have implicated her in the Act Greenberg told the jury at Lewes Crown Court the crown say this was something she planned but it wasn't the evidence of her fraud was all around them and also evidence of her sexual session. It would never have worked. Nobody not even an unintelligent person would have thought it would. Mrs Thompson was not an unintelligent person. She's a woman capable of lying. Lying and lying Greenberg continued if she tells you today it's Friday you would probably want to check in your newspaper for the truth cheese into northeast woman but despite an appalling record of dishonesty she has never been violent. Both of these people soren each other something they could get in financial terms but Dean Thompson is the more experienced and practice fraudster. When Deena Thompson met her husband she was grossly overweight job Louis Virtually penniless with Charlton Cape? Do you think he would have shown the slightest interest in revenue the truth he sold Mrs Thompson is a golden goose even before he was told of the lottery win he thought she had capital and was prepared to spend it on him. Dena Thompson was to a very great extent been the author of her own misfortune. She set about a course of conceit which would eventually bring about an explosion for Mister Thompson. She played with fire and she got burned <music>. Uh Dina Thompson claimed she only struck her husband with a metal baseball batting self defense. She said her shoulder was sliced. When trying to remove Vanoy from his grasp after the evidence Vince was presented in closing arguments heard the jury came to a decision in August two thousand Dena Thompson was found not guilty of attempted murder for the fifteen being shot is of deception? She was sentenced to three years and nine months in prison John John Anthony Scott Gold Address Thompson during sentencing and said you still property from vulnerable rebel men all of whom in their own way becoming nominee with you and Mr Thompson went so far as to marry you you all someone who is irredeemably dishonest and driven by desire to defraud people off that purposing take <music> cleared of attempted murder the case spunk to renewed interest in the suspicious death of Julian Webb Dena Thompson second husband detective chief Inspector Martin Underhill set the events portrayed trade in this trial and the unusual nature of Julian Webb's death prompted the force to reopen the investigation trolling through hop poss- relationships detectives could not track down some of Dino's previous boyfriends and lovers Dion Hill would go on to tell the press there are some we never managed to find one man we think was Russian and the other English. We have no idea what happened to them. Rose Marie webs desire to find out the truth about her son's death was a driving force behind the reinvestigation. She did not believe the thirty one year old healthy fit son suddenly become homily died or the t choose to take his own life while she described Hassan as a happy straight-forward man in contrast Chiku Dena Thompson manipulative scheming and dishonest zone EST the day off to Julian's death is mother found out. Dana returned up but he's workplace looking to discuss is thirty six thousand pound pension raise Marie web trying to prove that she had the legal right over her son's affairs is Dina wanted him to be cremated. His mother felt he should be laid to rest near the family home on Hayling Island. Luckily Luckily Rosemary discovered Dean was still married to Lee white when she married Julian making the marriage bigamous therefore void after solicitors were informed Rosemary web was declared the beneficiary of US sons estate allowing her the right to bury a son following their suspicions. Police decided to exhume the body of Julian Webb when a new witness voice their concerns about the curry Jillian eight on his birthday don Hudson a fellow Angola who Julian Webb struck up a friendship with when he was is trying to set up a new life in Florida informed police that Dina told him about the dinner during a telephone conversation after his friend's death Dina had told Don that Julian consumes seasickness pills antihistamines aspirin and in addition drunk heavily along with eating a very hot curry. Oh she did not go into detail the why he had taken such a large amount of medication don't Hudson said the teeth suspicions. That diener admitted his friend off the scale once the nation of Julian DEB's body was complete edition toxicology tests were undertaken by Jim and toxicologist Dr Hans Sachs and it was evident that the death was far from an open and shut case someone was charged with Julian's mudder and a trial began during November two thousand three at London's Old Bailey. Dana Thompson stood in the dock during the prosecution's opening statements Michael Burbach Q._C. spoke about Julian Webb told jurors there was a police investigation but perhaps it was not as detailed as it might have been. The prosecution says Julian did not kill himself. The defendant killed him by subterfuge. She tricked him into taking lethal quantities of drunks. The prosecutor asked the Jiri One man who was by all accounts fit and healthy showing no signs of depression chose to take his life on his thirty first birthday and why would his wife being such a hurry to have her husband's body cremated also when paramedics arrived during the early hours Dena Thompson retrieved empty bottle of aspirin and the antidepressant dolphin however she was caring for her husband she claimed how was it possible he could have retrieved the drugs without knowing the jury will tell that during the. The evening of June thirtieth nineteen ninety-four Thompson spoke with a friend of Julian's in the United States and explain the husband had an extremely spicy curry for dinner and was feeling unwell. The pair had been to an Indian restaurant and the prosecution postulated it was possible jillions food could have been laced with vast amounts of aspirin and an antidepressant. The prosecutor argued that the bitter taste the medication would have been hidden by the overpowering spice in the meal allowing the victim to ingest large quantities of drugs without realizing a friend of the victim would like to testify that Julian would often go into a curry we house and asks for the spiciest thing on the menu this developed into a running joke with some local businesses. We thought the food inedible Mokaba Bam Q._C. put forward the case that there was in fact act more than a financial motive for the crime is Thompson would not only inherit Julian Web's the state but Thompson was also still married to her previous husband Lee Wyatt she was attempting to get want to implicate himself in the fraud told that she was undertaking against the Willis. Building Society wanted to ensure that Judy and was not aware of once existence deception would eventually be discovered in nineteen ninety-five a year off to judy and Webb's death. She was sentenced to eighteen months in prison. The defense argued that Julian Webb Tyke in his life after a short period of Depression Julian was nine to attend the gym three times a week week was physically fit and looked after himself however a week before he died he was not seen not that the gym or his workplace. The West Sussex Gazette the appetizing salesman's family friends NHS and colleagues cool the daytime but we're told by Dean Thompson. The husband was unwell. Dana told police that Julian was drinking and taking steroids during this period and on the evening of his birthday June thirtieth not if it's spent the nineteen bed after the parody Tuna Curry Thompson said that she had not been able to sleep in the same room as a husband had been snoring loudly but after checking on him in the early hours she called for an ambulance when she found him lifeless with blood trickling from his mouth prosecution question thompsons recollection of the events as they it into view jillions friends who explain the T. rarely if fava's drank alcohol detectives it also discovered Dena Thompson was prime to telling falsehoods regarding both a health and abuse she had suffered. She told friends that a previous husband Lee whited struck a winning fact the injuries were self inflicted and Jill said Multiple Times that she was suffering from a life threatening illness when she was not Thompson it cooled jillions workplace regarding her status on his his pension shortly after his death his boss at the time pulled Robbins would like to give testimony and tell the court the Thompson arrived at the offices where he worked along with her father she met him at the entrance of the building in a dressing gown. Hold robens of the news of Julian's death rubbings testified the tin calm manner Thompson told him she was laying in bed with Julian when he stopped breathing lights lights that day she then cooled the office to ask if it was possible to withdraw cash from Julian's pension as he was under her husband's name and she needed access to funds quickly <music> Paul Reubens was cross examined by Joanna Greenberg Q._C. for the defense and went on to admit the team may have been confused when describing thompsons mood during that conversation outside the office telling the court that she may have been upset at first but then appeared to come down. You'll say said that he was not completely sure. Thompson did say she was in bed with a husband when she realized he was dead. The prosecutor told the jury they should take all of Thompson's lies into account when evaluating her claim that Julian weapon died for me the food poisoning or suicide <music> Rosemary web also took the stand and testified that she warned her son about the speed of the relationship he was having with Dena Thompson after he announced. What's the pay would go to marry only three months? After meeting. She'll say recounted how she made several attempts to contact her son in the final days of his life and whether Dina said he was able to answer the phone following a bout of sickness is the second week of the trial came to an end Dina thompsons fast husband Hundley wire to address the court. The jury were told what had been arrested in connection with the Woolwich Building Society fraud the no charges were ultimately brought against him. Why did claim that his wife Dana? We're told him that's along with some they would be moving to America where they would make fifty million pounds from showing the Leprechaun want also told won't Disney. We're in the process of arranging their accommodation. This plan would not come to fruition however is what insisted the from the Blue Thompson told him that they were now being chased by the Mafia so he had to move away and change his name. It was not until the beginning of Nineteen nineteen ninety-four that he started to question Dina Story Lee once spoke of his fragile mental state explaining he experienced delusions in which he communicated with his dead father by plucking in paper from a bag marked with yes. Oh No responses under cross examination counsel for Dena Thompson Joanna Greenberg. Q._C. told the witness that he was not living in a fantasy world. It only exaggerated his account when he sold his story to a tabloid newspaper. After giving an interview to police following his arrest in connection to the building society fraud and lighter before the trial he made no I mention of leprechauns <music> the testimony would be heard from a paramedic and the doctor who attended the scene and broke the news to Dean Thompson that her husband died paramedic Malcolm Wilson took the stand until the court when he arrived at the scene he was told by Dana the husband Darnley just died however rigor mortis had set in and based on his experience. Julian Webb looks to have been dead for around four hours. The paramedic also found it surprising that the bed Julian was lying on had been made look to be undisturbed. Don't sanitize Sherry full so explain the when he tell Dina that her husband was dead. He found a Mana Rhonda on wall she she questioned how she would cope and she would do the doctor told the cool that the defendant seemed Rama detached from reality <music> the jury would hear from one of Julian webs work colleagues Grimes Hewitt on July first nineteen ninety four Hewitt's spoke to Dean Thompson on the phone and was informed that Julian was dead he too who was surprised by how detached once you it told the court she was almost matter-of-fact cold and unemotional. She soon asked me questions about money going to him and benefits. I remember being extremely surprised to the extent that tie remember banging on the politician to cool my colleague into listen to this amazing cool in a further twist before Julian's death Patricia Smith who also worked for the newspaper confided to Graham Hewitt that she was having an affair with Julian which ended a few weeks before he passed away the to discuss the matter is Patricia. Smith heard the suggestion that Julian had been unwell and was feeling depressed however she disagreed certain that the man she was romantically involved with would not take his own life molecule humans will might to the court from Dina Thomson's defence counsel that Julian Webb was depressed because he had been unable to start a new life in the United States with his wife. A prosecution witness described how Thompson forged a letter from mkx Company in Florida that was seeking employees for diving and fishing trips. The letter had been created on the computer of Thompson's neighbor Jacqueline House the Thompson had asked to use the computer does she didn't have one at time. The neighbor left or acquaintance to it but when the work was finished Thompson said the tech she had created was no longer needed. Jacqueline House decided to save the text just in in case a neighbor required it again written from Mr smelling the letter offer Julian Webb at twenty thousand pounds a year salary working for a diving company with further benefits that included additional work configuring trips commission and a company car is the case came to a Close Marco Burbank Q._C. Z. Summarize the evidence against Dean Thompson arguing she had administered a concentrated dose of Aspirin and antidepressants in a hot curry to kill her husband but Obama criticized the defendant for not taking the standing around defense but during closing arguments Joanna Green Bug Q._C. who successfully defended Thompson during her trial for attempted murder told the jury at the Old Bailey the tool the crown hat was circumstantial on chill evidence and the blame had only fallen on Thompson shoulders as those close to Julian were unable to accept that he would choose to Tyke his life Greenberg said this case is about an attempt by the prosecution addition to prove that by gathering together strange facts and hoffer cooled conversations by saying. We don't want to accept that Julian committed suicide and by saying diener is not a very nice person but evidence putting dean or in a poor light is evidence Johnson which he can rely to say she committed murder oldest is proved is that diener is not a nice person. You certainly wouldn't buy second hand car from her and she is certainly a person who is very frequently a stranger to the truth truth. That's evidence has fallen very sure to proving she committed a murder. Julian had the choice here and he made a wrong choice in ending his own life but he was his life. He was free to take it. Greenberg told the jury to question the evidence is even with an incredibly spicy curry. It was unlikely that Julian Webb would not have realized what he was eating counsel for the defense said just because Dana Thompson was a lawyer but did not make her a murderer following the judge's summing coming up of the case he told the jury that even though Dena Thompson was a liar and morally corrupt did not mean she had a propensity to mudder he said you will have to distinguish between a light how to disguise <unk> her intention to kill an ally told for another reason jurors will left to consider based on the evidence presented at trial the t the Julian Webb took his own life a scenario. The defense insisted wasted his family were unable to accept or he was poisoned by Dena Thompson after a five week trial and just I've a ten hours of deliberations the jury of five women and six men submitted that verdict they had not been informed of Dina thompsons past which included her previous acquitted of attempted murder or her convictions for stealing from a building society and to pass lovers one Jira felt that Dena Thompson and was not guilty but ten others were certain that Julian Webb was poisoned and died in the home he shared with his wife on Douglas Clive's in Yaps in West Sussex as the verdict was read aloud and Julien's family embraced one another in the public gallery of the Old Bailey during sentencing in mid December two thousand three the judge recorder of London Michael Hayme Face Tina Thompson and said you brought about Julian Webb's death by poisoning him what you did was utterly ruthless and without pity nothing can excuse you for the wickedness of what you did. <music> Thompson was sentenced to life in prison would have to serve a minimum of thirteen years <music> outside the courtroom. Julian's mother spoke to reporters and said Julia was a much loved kind loyal and friendly young man Dan he's greatly missed by his family and friends and their support has been a great help to me. You sat says surrounding his death but being the source of great pains to me and my family he now only one person knows what really happened and she is not say he was a tough sitting S. A.. T. often expressed concern for the problems. That Dina seem to be happening. He was glad that he was there to protect and support her. It is with great sadness those of us who are still here have discovered what she is really like. Martin underhill of the Sussex Police also gave his stole some Dana Thompson. This woman is every man's not man for the last decade she has talked men financially sexually physically an if a one by glad she's beyond balls <music> Dina thompsons third husband Richard Dandies new wife spoke about what life was like after Dean is acquitted of attempted mudder and the emotion damage that the event caused that was very hard thing to accept because I felt that people didn't believe me a now the truth is out. Everyone knows I was telling the truth three years Musica and he was so scared traumatized fried of being on his own. She really did incredible damage driven by grade here the more convinced of all evil she is it has been to many other people. Hopefully she won't ever again we. She is what she's love. Rosemary Web whited to put a headstone on a son's grave until justice was served. Loved she said there is never a day when he's not the first thought I have when I awake he was my only much love child and also a good friend <music>. So where are we now shortly. After the verdict detectives who had been working the case announce they'd been attempting to track down another of Dina thompsons partners about Garin man's join cost of we'd been in a relationship with Thomson during the seventies and eighties when they traveled threat Europe together Detective Chief Inspector for Sussex Police Martin Underhill said we cannot trace him. We've tried in this country and three into poll whole to find him. We are calling on him to get in touch. It was reported the cost of disappeared in Bulgaria. Will Thompson was in the country training as a gymnast Sussex Police and Interpol police continue to search for Thomson's former boyfriend well into the next decade will buy all attempts to track down a failed and his whereabouts so run nine Dena Thompson appealed her conviction argument was at first dismissed by single court judge then heard before Lord Justice this King Mrs Justice Hallett Dame Heather Steel during two thousand and five the judges were to decide whether to grant Dean Thompson leave to appeal her sentence the method through which Julian Webb died an overdose of ten capsules of Aspirin and thirty capsules or more of Dafa Pin was not disputed and the three judges agreed with the defense's opinion. The thompsons conviction was based on circumstantial evidence however the appeal focused on the trawl judge's dismissal of an argument made by the defense that Thompson had no case to answer and should not have gone before a jury Dena Thompson never gave evidence attire original trial counsel for the defence. Joanna Greenberg told the cool the Thompson was deceit Philan- devious so he would not have helped the defense's case had she taken the stand aw Greenberg argued that it was thompson's apparent disquieting character that was used by the prosecution and said if it was any other person their behavior would not have ray suspicion to additional grounds for appeal focused on the balance of the summing up by the judge along with the statistical argument the men between the ages of twenty five and thirty four or more likely to die by suicide <music> after reviewing the submission by the defense the judges commented on each of the points raised regarding the arguments relating to the possibility ability of suicide the three judges pointed to testimony provided by the defense his own witness at the trial who said that there was no direct research which could be referenced in order to bolster the claim that Julian Webb was suicidal chew due to his age in relation to the points made by the defense concerning the pollens character. The three judges believed that the initial trial judge recorder of London Michael Hain was right to direct the jury the as he did when the circumstantial evidence was brought together a created a compelling pitcher and said there was no indication that Julian Webb intended to take his own life apart from the appellants insistence Easton's there was no suicide night and prior to his death. Julian Webb behaved in a manner of the was the opposite to someone that planned on ending their life. He was excited to move to the U._S.. With Dena Thompson and book to fishing trip trip the argument raised by the defense during trawl Julian Webb had no desire to speak to anyone before he was found dead in the early morning hours of July First Nineteen ninety-four was dismissed Dina Thomson Thomson at answered the phone every time someone at cooled the Heim including Julian's mother who asked to speak to her son before his death but was told Jillian was unwell. The three judges agreed that there was evidence which prove motive Tiv- as Thomson was still involved with Lee Wyatt her former husband and announced her plans to go to the United States with him wanted cold at the home a week before jillions death which could have led to an awkward conversation nation between the men that Thomson married also Thompson showed an almost instant interest in Julian webs pension cooling his place of work the same day he was found dead. Rely the crown could not prove precisely precisely the method through which the victim had ingested the drugs that ultimately ended his life Thompson have not only the motive but the means as well as she was prescribed the antidepressant the judges felt it was right that the case should have been brought before jury and they were appropriately directed by recorder of London Michael Hang Dina thompsons application for leave to appeal her sentence tints was denied and the conviction was not deemed unsafe four years after Dean Thompson's conviction she sought to appeal the length of a thirteen year jail term which went before Mr Justice usually for review during these appeals a sentence can be both reduced or increased from London's High Court the Judge Brandon Thompson scheming lying highly manipulative woman who could easily jeep men into doing her bidding and decreased a minimum tariff <unk> by an additional three years following the announcement of the new sixteen year jail term Mr Justice Uis Lee said whether she is then released will be for the Perot bowl to decide that stage it will consider the need for the public to be protected from Thomson in the light of all that is known a bouncer me went on to say this was a cold and calculated murder achieved through trickery and without remorse there was neither mitigation nor excuse there were no mitigating factors in particular that was clearly an intent to kill mm-hmm Dena Thompson will be able to apply for parole at the end of two thousand nineteen. 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Super Bowl of Vipers

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Super Bowl of Vipers

"Hey, guys. Well, we are super excited to and now that we're on cast box. Now cast box is the fastest growing highest rated podcast app on both I o s and Android, and it does have all your favorite podcast. Okay. Okay. You could still listen to dumb gay politics wherever you get your podcast, but we just want you to try cast box. We literally hate every single other podcast provider as you guys know, and especially the main one, and you know, which one we're talking about and we're super excited that we're finally on cast box because we think it's the best. So try it. It's all shit. It's all just I'm gay politics, America's gun kind. But we're not going to let it go down like that. Because we've got a dumb gay podcast, dumb gay political podcast. We probably don't have all the facts. But we got opinions and we'll probably backtrack. That's too dumb gay podcasts. Adum political podcast. It's ocean. It's all shit. It's all shit. It's all shit. I mean. Die. I dunno. I three I am extremely. Of this shit is burden. The. This shit. Is Trump t- argue MP eight an ES what I don't know. I don't even know. Hey, everybody. Welcome to dump gay politics. I'm Julie an umbrella handy. And this is the podcast where we talk about the week in politics like we're talking about reality TV. And I know I said I wasn't going to talk about my birthday. Okay. So I got a box from Andy Oni. And it's so sweet I have to just talk about it because it was a box filled. I mean, I don't with all due to all the local Americans. Okay. There's just something about treats from England. Okay. First of all there's goddamn tissues from England. And it's I remember she has given us tissues before and they say Balsam on them remember that. And it's like they get some thick fucking tissues yet. Those were thick and I'm like this for her to mail these two like ship overseas too big boxes of tissues like this probably cost her like Lee seven hundred dollars. So thank you. There's all kinds of like lush like bath bombs, and they say shower bombs, so I've only known bath bombs from lush. These look like the are little smaller. So I'm like my supposed to throw throw them in the show just in the bottom. Tom the show. I don't know. I'm gonna like, look, maybe they just call it a shower. Even maybe. Yeah. Because I was wondering even with with the Kleenex is it like paper towels or you know, what I mean? Yeah. These do say Kleenex, but napkins tissue we call it tissue. Ours is tissue banks is the Brian. But we don't know maybe they called bath shower, but that would mainly or I'm going to go take a shower hot shower, and then they're gonna back. I don't know. No. Well, she got me some fake eyelashes to go with the fake ones. Already wear permanently. There's a rocky horror lips or is it Rolling Stones that could well Rolling Stone has the tongue coming out. I prefer rocky tour. So I'm going to say that's rocky horror or just, you know, now, it's rocky horror. He shrugging. That's what she meant. Anyway, it's a big ass note, Pat, and I'm talking about lips fig ass. No paddock rocky horror mouth all kinds of candy. Yeah. The Cadbury special. Our chocolate all the chocolate on they have been eaten and Yoni. So don't even think the haven't and just like rename McCann when the shit came from Australia, and I was like there's just something about a box of international treats. Yeah, it's true. And I'm going in and I mean, don't even play, but even basic Butch catha. I gotta say hers were American, but they sure did seem international. Yes bitch has expensive tastes. She even gave you like British cigarettes and g she did. And by the way, never had to say basic Butch cap. Thank you for coming to the show in Minneapolis and giving me Dun hill cigarettes. Yes, she has some nice and I'm sorry. Didn't get to see you after. But I saw you before. And you gave me the Dunhill cigarettes with like a classy box of matches which Julie immediately needed to start hoarding and making future plans where she's like maybe I'll bring one cigarette out, and she's like making plans cat, and I'm looking cats picture on the bull damore to my mom said, oh, she has nice is I'm like mom. Don't get lost in cats is. Ooh. You know what? I just thought of I'm gonna put the done hill. Cigarettes the cigarette holder. I think I might have taken that in donated it. Oh to see I've Disney what you want to go. You know, what they come in a beautiful box. Anyway. So does no we don't need a fucking cigarette holder from the past. So and then I got all kinds of like there's just bath streets in here and there's face masks and candy. And I just love it. And I fucking love you. Thank you so much. And what else did I get? Oh, we got Brooks and us a king cake from New Orleans Yod. You fucking whore. I mean, the packaging just everything about it. And then biting into it because SAAF. Yes, sugary sensation of the king cake of of cinnamon roll is what it is. So good, cinnamon roll Kate. And I don't want to stop the New Orleans like, oh, that's what I was gonna say you have been. You you fell in love with a dark lady named New Orleans. You've really been missing her. I have I have been and I knew I mean bitches like getting into some old house Anne rice novels. I was like, oh, you should read the witching hour. It's great and listening to the witch. Our looking on Trulia for. Do just constantly looking at real estate New Orleans just to see and now a full saints fan. Yeah. Full default on the Super Bowl. And you were just like if the saints were in it would have been so boring. Strew I got a saints hat coming on though in on the way, I tried to get one at lids, but they didn't have them there. So I had to have one made she had, but it had out real. But it's good because it's kind of a neutral hat just with the Florida Lee. Because also for us. It's not just saints. The Florida is now Norrland's and also that was my sorority symbol. That's right. So a Kappa Kappa gamma get into it. No one. So it's full circle. It's a weird weird. Yeah. It's like connecting the dots. This opulent it's so Parisian. Yes. So also American and just the Florida Lee just the fact that it's the floor. I mean, I cannot now I'm Louis the fourteenth. It's the French revolution as well. So Brooke you were right on time because Julia was really getting sad, and it came and it was like, oh my God. We got it in the mail store. I want all New Orleans things. I want to go to that market. And I was like rude only. This was a cake. You could have given me a call. Don't let my cake sit in here. And I'm like making it my cake, even though it's like, you're birthdays over lady, we're sharing this. I don't know to psalms the she should have known. It was something French exactly she should recognize it immediately. You'll know what that is something we like it. We we feel that we know that. But I don't even know. I can't with that. I can't to the accent. Okay. And I'm still waiting on Julian's card. I'm but again, Julie thank you so much for the Rolex. I love it. I love it. I mean, it's the exact gold vintage gold that I wanted just love it. Now. Do you want to do you want to tell about the live show? Oh, well, don't forget everyone. We have a live show coming up a February sixteenth in Austin. And we are almost sold out. So if you want to get your tickets, you better get them online a right now because there are not many seats gonna go check. Right. Julius other favorite things. Besides gays. Off into the sky and thinking of New Orleans is going and looking at the at the Austin show tickets. I'm even like, I'm was even looking at all the negative not negatives. But the things that would scare me in the pa-. I'm like, just go. I'm just like in. I'm telling you going for us. You're looking at the bug content of New Orleans is what? Oh, yes. And then it's high. Yeah. It's high. Yeah. The humidity is high and the bugs are high and the flood factor is factors high. And the weather is scary. But I'm just like, you know, what? Good good. You know, what bring me some cockroaches bring me some never ending apparently mosquitoes and termites worms. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. So well at the Austin live show, Julie's going to go and do a checker ru on the ticket. We've got Leah black is our special guests. She's a real housewife of Miami. And we have Ronnie Kerem from watch crap ins doing a gay guys and their feelings, and we have read on stat. And if you don't know who that is you need to Google him because he was on the voice, and the voice is huge. And we love making fun of it on people's couch people's couch fucking got canceled before we got to make fun of read and read is amazing. And as amazing voice, and I'm not even just saying that. No, yeah. No J. We looked him up. Yeah. We looked up and we met him and he's legit. So also all the stars are going to be there, including Gregory. No. And you don't wanna miss Greg and fucking grant. And it's gonna be all it's Devon Brana. It's everyone. It's it's all the bulletin board. Salah? Yeah. I mean, you just don't wanna miss it. You just. Don't and we don't want you guys to we want to make it happen in Austin around my weird fucking old friends. My my beautiful. No, my friend Stephanie and she listens. And we're staying with her and she's she's the only one wait. I'm so excited to immerse myself in the brandy Howard, Texan, delight. Okay. Like, so get ready. Stephanie, get ready. Chris get get ready. Jennifer, yet, rare for ten of our because it's all it's it's we're going to do it. We're going to do a good. Hey, I'm Steve green. I'm Nikki Lima. Oh, and our podcast is called shit. They don't tell you. If you're ever felt like there's many something's you were supposed to know by. Now, we feel exactly the same way. So we're gathering just a bunch of friends of ours to talk about it. Whether we discussed the shit. They don't tell you about getting married appetizers are killing us. It's like. It's like I wake up, but none of thinking is, Jerry. Jerry, I call the Bank. They're going. Hey, what about the sizes? Or the should they didn't tell you about how to maintain relationships, which we still don't know this boy did massage my feet after the day. Does put him one step above, but I'll make cuts. Getting it off making you how to fuck fucking dream. This is not real we're going to through all of it. And hopefully laugh and learn something with you along the way, we're not experts, and we're not here to talk down to you. I'm an expert. Okay. Nikki's next burden but I wanna talk down to you. We're just here to try to talk honestly with you too. Yeah. And just share personal stories of like what we had to go through to learn the stuff that they didn't tell us. I didn't they tell us just part of the plan. I hope you join us for should they don't tell you a cast box original produce along with studio. Seventy one. All right. Well, let's get to I've the shit storm. Put up on the chicken. Take shit off of the put it down on the floor in glass bowl. She'd take some buck and put up on the news. This week's I've the shit. Storm is a shitty. Shitty moment in time. That will absolutely go down in history. It's awful and horrible. And it landed a smack dab in the middle of a cultural crossroads and even though the immediate problem might be simple to solve like any shit storm. The consequences will linger around stinking up the atmosphere for a good long while so on Friday, a picture surfaced of Ralph Northam who is a democrat who has been the governor of Virginia since two thousand seventeen the picture is of someone dressed as a K K K clans person with a white hood over their face, and then someone else with black face paint and a wig both people are unrecognizable. But the photo was supposedly on Ralph nor them's personal yearbook page from when he was twenty five years old and a med student in the mid eighties super fucking gross in disturbing, and my mind is like spinning with a way to like make it not true. But for now, I'm just going to pretend it's a Republican and accept it. That's what I have to do. I'm having to switch it in my mind and be like just pretend that's Republican. And then you can just accept that. That's all real, right? Yes. Absolutely. It's hard to believe that anyone would be that disgusting to put on a fucking costume like that. Especially Democrats 'specially. I mean, that's the thing. That's the problem. Yeah. And then that a yearbook staff and faculty would approve something. So fucking abhorrent is every white person in Virginia that goddamn backwards. Exactly. I mean, how it what world is a photo like that ever allowed an ear book. I don't care what it's yearbook from a school in. It's like it's the mid eighties. I just don't believe that of a state funded. It's not a private university went to it's not private med school. I don't believe that a state funded med school fucking print a picture like that. It's like putting like a picture of like somebody dressing. Yup. As hitler. It was never okay. To be in like a white hood KKK. Oh, that's childish Gambino it go. He goes why hood why hood? Okay. One of songs. Yeah. Yeah. No. It never was. And I'm I don't know why we don't understand why people aren't going directly to or in vesting the p the yearbook staff at that school. Why don't you finding those people finding why they put the picture up? Why they thought it was okay? To put the picture up. Why the school published it? Why aren't they going talking to those people? Yeah. Because this whole thing is like Brad Kavanagh, they certainly found every single on his fucking class, basically remembered every party everything I am. So I don't know. I don't even smoke weed. But I'm like at this point. I'm like a full fucking conspiracy theories. I'm like some of the fucker Roldan printing up a yearbook and got the shit put because they found they found the yearbook in a library, right? And no I haven't seen from the trolling. I've done any of. The classmates like here's mild yearbook right to none of them. Remember? So here's what the classmates said. Okay. So basically this guy named Walter broad neck. So he's retired neurologist. Okay. He graduated with northern and nineteen Eighty-four. He told NPR that he was shocked to see same same word. We used of Hort. He was shocked to see the yearbook photo as in his recollection. The campus was not racist. I can't explain the pictures. He said Ralph back then and even now is not a racist. That's his good friend in med school. They say that the campus was completely racially diverse. Like, literally goes on this other guy Harvey Rawls said that he's extremely skeptical that nor them is one of the people featured in the photo, he said that while it's possible that he was insensitive enough to be in a photo like that thirty years years ago, it just doesn't gel with the man he knew he said Ralph Ralph northern was not that kind of person. That's interesting. Well, another guy who. Graduated two years after Northam said he remembers the campus being very progressive for the time. He said it was tolerant diverse campus. We had a pretty fair ethnic diversity within our class. And he just plays racism would have been an Anna theme. Oh, no, an anathema anathema any displays of racism would have been anathema. Apparently anathema means oh against it's something that you hate because it's the opposite of what you believe. Okay. Not only was it a diverse campus. It appears his actual class was diverse. I know that sounds like braces, people are like ova block friend. I get that. That's ridiculous. But the thing is you're not putting on a fucking KKK hood. And being like, oh, hey, Walter. Right. Good CMU. This is just a joke. But right. It's like I mean, I'm not apologizing for him. Because I mean, I don't even really like the guy even just when he's had the press conference, and you saw it. Yes. But I just honestly feel it's so fucking out. Atlantic. I'm just like is anyone that's stupid. You know, recess aren't that obvious? Well, especially when like we now know how the Russian right do stuff, right? And one of the things that they actually do is media manipulation rains, and they actually do have a staff of people who do go in to doctor videos, and photographs that is something that they actually do. And then they go secretly after poisoning doorknobs into a library and put the book into the library. And then some other dip shit gets a tip goes in rents the yearbook, and then every single other person in classes like this. I didn't know how to Brian. I also didn't have one and I never saw Ralph's old KKK gues sketching fucking stead that he used to. And I mean, yes, I did see the press conference. He he doesn't come off as the most like. Yeah. He's he is. And I would say I think insensitive is a good word. He does seem insensitive. He seems tone deaf. He seems entitled he seems privilege. She seems. In. You know what I mean? Like, he doesn't seem he doesn't seem ashamed. So there are problems for sure. And then he said in the press conference that he I guess the day before he sort of just apologized for the photo. I guess without seeing it. I this is me just filling in the blanks assuming that it was this other time when he dressed up for Michael Jackson. Right. So he had dressed up as Michael Jackson, including painting his face like with Brown. Michael Jackson makeup. Well, it was when Hsun poem. Soon poem. He was shoe polish on his face. Yes. So the other problem was that he said in the actual ranking runs. He said I address like Michael Jackson for dance contests, and it was like coke. And then he goes, and he did put a little bit of shoe polish on my face. But if you've ever put shoe polish on, you know, you don't want to put too much on and you're like, no. And you're like everyone's like this. No, I've never put shoe polish on my face dumb. Fuck. Yeah. Exactly. There's many problems. And by the way, I'm not even really that Dulles with Virginia and with all due to anyone out there who probably the half a person, we know who's a fan in Virginia or listener, not even a fan. I feel like everyone Virginia's racist. I can't even deal with the level going on there. Like, you're walking amongst slave owner statues and on the daily like you're just simply going to get fucking coffee at Starbucks, and it's like, oh, cool that guy killed slaves and fucked them, all and raped them. All and oh. They do a honorary or on the honor general, Robert E Lee and stonewall Jackson, and it's like, and then the the these guys want to be like, well, he was a great American. He stood up for. It's like. In fact, he wasn't American at all. Actually, even if you wanna take sleeve read of it. They wanted to be their own country. So good one. You know what I mean? Yeah. He wasn't America. I mean, I don't know in my. But I I'm getting getting it. I didn't they wanted them to be their own. And we want to. Yeah. And if they thought they were the real American whatever you want to say, they were not Americans. So in my opinion. How I would argue it, and yeah, he wanted slavery. So maybe he wasn't a great American. Dick, can it's just like the what the people that live. There have to fucking deal with and the race relations are fucking backwards and way back in time, and it's tragic so I'm not even doubting. I'm really I mean, I don't really like the guy. But I just feel like it's it's it's so like, I said already it's so outlandish and outrageous. I'm just like, wow. You really had to go there because there would be even if you saw honestly, even if you saw the picture of him in the Michael Jackson get up in San Antonio doing the dance contest clearly Michael Jackson van because nine hundred ninety four you just can't FOX with Michael Jackson like it is on an poppin everyone is there for him. Everyone is there for him. Now during the press conference somebody said so you do Jackson and they said to him. So can you still moonwalk, and he literally had to be like, well, and there was a moment where his body shifted where we all thought for a moment if he was going to moonwalk and his wife was there, and she was like. It's a more appropriate, not appropriate and whatever. But here's the question. If he had busted out the fuck and moonwalk would it have proven kind of that. He will clearly is a fan of Michael Jackson. He's not there like being mean and making fun of him. If he's out there to say, he's a moron. I think it's fair to say like we said he's insensitive he's tone deaf. And he's privileged, and he's entitled and that he's a moron. But I don't. But he also, you know, the guy has worked his life his history his work what he's done who he's foods works with. It has shown and proven. He hasn't done anything against any minority any might mum any, you know, marginalized community he hasn't. So, you know, there's to me, and in my opinion, there's definitely like a sort of a grey area here, except for the fact that the motherfucker needs to quit now. That's what's up. So it's like pretty much every democrat has denounced him been like you gots to go. And he was pretty beloved across the board. I would say like Obama spoke for him. And it's not just that like Eric Holder. A lot of people were like, I really like Ralph. I they all they all like like him. They they've come out and said they like him, but they've also come out and said you got to go. Oh, you ain't got to go home. But you can't stay here. Door way out like sorry. Hick rocks, all the cliches, and it's true. It's like exactly what even with Brad Cavanaugh. I said, and I will stand by this with this guy. You you're now you've got the scarlet letter, and it's on you. And there's no getting it off. And it's gonna be impossible just like breath Kavanagh like, no one respects, you or half of the people don't respect you. And even the people that wanted you in are still like, yeah. That'll gang rape thing. That's really unfortunate. You know? It's there, and it's never gonna come off in this guy. Even if he if he's been framed or like sandbagged he needs to go clear his name. He don't can't be governing. He needs to go off and go get higher team of investigators nuclear his name and just like Brett Cavanaugh who showed his character, even regardless of the gang rape and the train gang rape in the hearing. He showed his character he yelled, he wind cried, he was a fucking little twat. Yeah. We don't need a twat like that on the fucking and this. Guy showed you know, he showed his character to did needs to go. Yeah. He needs to go. And he needs to let someone else covered. And that person is. Yes, that is that person is Justin Fairfax and Justin Fairfax. This is Lieutenant governor. And he's he's young. He's he's just direct descendant of genu- slave, which is super fucking cool. And if this if north them, I mean in the height of what he what he needs to do in in to be the leader to show remorse to show just even any semblance of deference to the community would be I'm going to step aside. He could even say, I don't think that picture is me, but I'm going to step aside just for the shoop homeless incident. Right. And I'm really sorry. I love Virginia. And because I love Virginia. And I'm sorry, Justin. Fairfax is going to be amazing for you. And you know, what he fits the community better? Anyway, like specially right now. Yeah. Well, and that guy Justin Fairfax. He said the. Governor needed to apologize. And I'm glad that he did. So he also so basically though, Justin Fairfax and Ralph Northam have worked together closely for many years. They have a good relationship. He didn't even speak out for like a long time about the photo. And when he did he said, the governor needed to apologize, and I'm glad that he did. So he also reached out to me personally to express his sincere regrets and to apologize. He's been a friend to me and has treated my family and me with hospitality and respect. But his actions at the very least indicated a comfort with Virginia's darker history of white supremacy, racial stereotyping and intimidation. Now more than ever we must make decisions in the best interest of the people of the Commonwealth of Virginia. I mean. Yeah, there you go there. That's that's just pretty much a and his actions do show a comfort with the darker a comfort a comfort with darker past Virginia. And and that's that's really the that's really the thing. It's like were quick to be like racist. As opposed to just being like. Yeah. You were a little too comfortable putting on that shoe polish buddy little too comfortable and a little too resistant to apologize. Yes. Which shows his entitlement right to his own comfort. And is exactly you know, what mean privilege to his own privilege like he's not seeing. Right, the privilege and the entitlement he needs to take a seat and like I want. This is Julie speaking, I don't think that guy is racist. I don't have. And I don't think he means. I don't think he's doing things in a malicious way. But because he's a moron and because he's privileged and entitled he needs. He does need to go in like learn I'd love and what it all comes out in the wash. I wanna fuck and find out what the deal is about photo. You know? You know, and whether it if it is him that I want to know, which one is just out of curiosity. And I wonder if you've got other motherfucker is. Yeah, let's find out the photo. And who and if and if the yearbook really did it find out who put the put the photo in find out who allowed the photo. Let's stay on the fire all need if they're still there, and they're still working there. Then they we need to find out who they are. Yes. 'cause those that to me is even worse. Yeah. You're a grown acid all putting that in the yearbook solve that you cannot look at that. And think in any realm with that's now, they're sober. You're in an office at a state funded medical school. And you like yet this goes in the yearbook. Fuck you you need to get fired too. Hey, this is Becca Scott. And I have a brand new podcast coming out called victory points. This show is about how much I love board games. And I want to talk to interesting people about why they are as passionate about games as I am. We're going to have interviews with fans game, developers, publishers, artists designers, all kinds of interesting people. So listen, we're ever you. Get your podcast and insurance. Thanks. Now, it's time for judge Judy. Here. He here. He. The courts convened for an emergency session courts been on hiatus for a while as I judge Julie have been reevaluating how judgmental I am. And who I am judgmental of I have found that though I am finding myself being more open an empathetic to the worst in our society. Because in fairness, you know, that's that's just what's up now. Even as a judge, I must, and we all must remain accountable to our garbage shitty behavior. No one truly is above anyone else. However as mindful and humble and self hating, his I may be this really needed to happen. I have to admit the judge in me has felt compelled in dare I say this judgement must be made. You can take it or leave it. I don't give a foot, but I have meditated long and hard on this. And I keep coming back to the same judgment. Hello bailiff, brandy high. Did you know, did you know that a bailiff is its own form of law enforcement, and isn't actually a police officer. I did not. But I did not. They're not police officers. Oh, well, I just found that out. I googled it. Because I was looking around the court wondering what everybody's job. What did you think that they were cops? I did. Oh, but they are not no you can actually go to to get a certificate to become a bailiff. It's like a thing. You can go to this department of Phoenix like in order to ordained minister type deal can get a certificate for or whatever. So anyway, so. Thanks for being in the court today are defendant today. Is Howard Schultz her? I'm going to ask that you actually keep sitting. In fact, take every seat in this court and sit at every one of them while I pass my judgement on you. And in fact, I'm also going to remain seated, and it will be the judgment of this judge who has judging you who could also be judged at any moment. So I will also remain in my seat, and we'll continue to remain, and we will all remain in many seats. Okay. Howard Schultz, the former CEO of Starbucks. You have decided that it is your turn to run as president as a centrist independent. You gave over an hour long interview with CNBC last week in while they're in the audience, a wise, gentlemen, Yelda you the following. Get. Testicle billionaire asshole. Now much like a good improv teacher. I would like to start with the positives about you, you created Starbucks. You took a Cup of coffee and not only turns it into a global addiction. You also took the physical building of Starbucks and made it into the contemporary American cafe where it turned into America's number one. Stop for wasting time pretending to do projects pointless meetings. Emergency changes of underwear in the bathroom. And of course, the place where countless people can talk loudly about their kids bring their kids, and where nannies get fired in public. You gave every single member of your company, including barista's the chance to have health insurance work part-time pay into a 4._0._1._K and the stock for Starbucks is one of the best in the biz you are and we're an excellent businessman. Unlike Trump who is a bankrupt, pork rind of a human being you're Super Bowl Sunday with Oprah was inspiring and your back vanity fair's questions and answers is one of bailiff brandies most favorite in the world. That's right. You sir until this week set the bar for business people, and the humane and ethical way a company should be run with that said. Fuck off as a lifelong democrat you've been doing what pretending to be a democrat what you gave money you gave money to Hillary Clinton Clinton. And now you're annoyed because of the progressive portion of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party has gone too far left hidden, meaning you don't wanna pay taxes either and the alexan- good one. And the Alexandria, a Costco, Cortez's of the world want to tax your ass and want universal healthcare and believe it is the right of the people the right, okay? Yeah. They bug. Sure. Idealism can be annoying. But rather than harnessing that idealism and staying within the party of which you made your billion your now deciding like true billionaire Trump fashion to go out on your own because you know, best, you know, what should change the system is broken and only you can fix it. You know, how to run a company union hundred ballot a balanced budget, United, treat employees? Listen, you do you do you know, how to run a company, but this country isn't a company. Right. And went billionaires, and businessmen and women come to terms that they aren't kings and queens and the people with a solitary answers because of their success. We will do better. You will then kick off a campaign where you will spend millions of dollars to do what to advertise to get your platform across like that fucking twat. Tom Sayer, the biggest waste of space in the fucking planet with his stupid impeach Trump campaign. How much does that cost? How much are you willing to spend on yourself? Even Michael Bloomberg. Motherfucker and believe me an ego maniac. Nosing ego maniac. My friend until you sit down in front of the mirror and have a good vomit into a cry. And then vomit again, you will not learn do not do this. Take your millions and fix up some schools by some people houses fix up neighborhoods offer scholarships fund healthcare fund, Oz bottles, work on human trafficking. One of the things that you said that you upset about is that internet and wireless should be the right of the people not healthcare, but wireless will the nila. Right. And they go to hawks. Let's look what. And then I said pay for it dick give everyone free wireless, then you said yourself, you do not believe healthcare is a right. But that people should have affordable health care. What does that even mean, what's affordable for some people isn't affordable for others, and as a billionaire, you don't fucking give me a break. You know, you the only thing, you know, is what makes money you are better served as a consultant and do what you do best business. We could certainly use your expertise on making money, but this country doesn't subsist just making money making money doesn't make you a diplomat or a good dealmaker when it comes to people's rights. If your bottom line is money and not people you are not qualified. I'm not saying that politicians are lying sack of shit. But at least they know they're doing politics, which is based on serving people speaking for the people as a CEO you serve yourself and your bottom line. We need your business savvy knowledge with the new administration and helped build a. Mission on business and teach people how to make money and how to run a business ethically and fairly helped the new democratic administration serve the people and part of serving will be to teach people what Trump cannot how to be a good business person set up centres all over the country where kids and adults can learn from you, and how to take money and make more of it teach morality and business ethics in business global business, but leave the serving and the will of the people to the people we do not need another billionaire businessman to come in and treat us like employees. We are human beings living in a country that has demeaned us and take us for granted and his monetize on every facet of our lives. It is time to section off the money from the people and the country from the money and the business of profiting on people's health and lives and education and dreams profiting off of our dreams of a better life for your personal gain. You are not the CEO of America, America's CEO of you. And until you are able to humble yourself, sir. You are not fit to serve the American. People so I- judge you in contempt of court. You will remain taking several and all of the seats. You will stay in the sector of which you are good at police believe we'll be grateful for it. No your lane. No yourself and your worth and place among society and cut the fucking shit. You egotistical fucking billionaire by yourself some humanity. And look at what's going on around you. We don't want you. If I wanna strong Cup of coffee that will keep me up all night. I'll call you until then beta and camera Harris twenty twenty court is adjourned, and we know you fucked going to the Paltrow. Okay. Now, it's time for one of our most popular segments called an read a book in two days. This. Three three. Three. This part of the show is called and read a book in two days. It's been a while since we've done this. But a juicy nugget of an embellish novel drop last week, and we needed the goddamn scoop. Yes. And now I'm going to recycle her intro this fucking time. And is one of my oldest and best friends. I've mentioned on the show a million times. And even her husband, Mike who has the same birthday, George Clooney. They have sudden name nNcholas that I will happily raise as my own if they ever die in a tragic shark attack or something such as or gene swimming incident. Not only is she close part of our Fram -ly. She's also a good friend to the show. She's one of the original fourteen listeners of GP and a patriot subscriber. But that's not why we chose her. We chose her because she's hilarious. Exceptionally smart. And one of the only people we know who could read a four hundred page non fiction book into days me. Well, it's probably total fiction. But this time she read a book written by former White House aide, cliff sim. Called team vipers my five hundred extraordinary days inside the Trump White House. So let's get it started. Okay. So and first off before you give us the deep dive on this fucking fairytale. Explain us and everyone who the author is. So we have a frame of reference for our state. Yeah. What do you mean cliff SIMS? Name what is Clinton up to? So he his official title was specialist. Sistan Q the president and director of White House message strategy. So basically he worked in the communications department like in Spicer's team and helped craft messages around. Chrome strategy. He helped write some of the tweets that kind of say does that include social media messaging? Yeah. Yeah. But he worked on the campaign leading up to the election and then through actually worked up until the some this summer. Yeah. We're going to ask you when did you stop? And was he fired. He it was one of the situations where he had to resign slash was fire that it was. One of those gotta go. Go ahead and say why? Yeah. Okay. So what was the time? Here is all about cliff sim. So dirty way too much about him during the election. He was there. And then it was until this past summer twenty eighteen yet he said he wrote the book and two months this fall. So it's like literally pot off the presses. Okay. So do you want to tell us why he was fired or how do you want to? How do you want to give it to us? So essentially, he. It's the same old story where? He was fired. What he thinks. It was it was John Kelly that pull the trigger on him having to leave because other books had have mentioned in, you know, all about John Kelly when he came in was trying to kind of get rid of old the old guard, and he wanted people to have a sense of. The proper way to report to the president. He thought it was just crazy, and you kind of wanted to get rid of I think in his opinion riffraff. That sounds like a word he feel like he would call us. Did he know like cliff SIMS like he didn't like him? He thought he was trash tool was kinda shady garbage wouldn't wanna Trump Trump's garbage fucking people picked up essentially because it was a whole the whole thing was like affection between the people who were kind of the strategist loyalists from the beginning. And then the R N C people that came in. So people didn't like the kind had factions and Kelly came it was a coal other faction. So it was a whole team vipers okay of vipers. Okay. So how do you want to tell get into it? Do you wanna tell us in order? He gave it to us. I'm wondering who he hated. Did you have a fucking ax to grind? Did you feel Genda? Well, the agenda is similar to. I'm Rosa all of these all come in. They tell their story. They kind of explain why their behavior exempt from examination. To do it. He did he's the sky from Alabama very religious like. You know, talks a lot about his faith and all that kind of stuff. So he have to say he did. Yeah. So you go good loves Jeff Sessions thought he is just a real gentleman. So you're dealing with. David. Oh inside Jeff Sessions wife. They call her missus Mary. He keeps talking about MRs Mariam lose misses airy. That's Jeff Sessions wife. Miss miss Mary weird. It's like a teacher. Yeah. Like, how kids call their teacher, like seventy insured? Yes. Mary tring it in that voice and checklist. Granddaddy, you know. So took okay. Why would a religious person to work for Trump though? That's the whole thing. Like Mike Pence. It's like, you know, you a skunk. Well, he talks about that. And he talks about you know, how evangelical get a lot of ship for supporting Trump. But he says, well, they Ono that he's a flawed demand. Their goal is to get their agenda pushed forward and he's doing that. He is right on the supreme court yet. They're like he's. Yeah. We know he's not the best guy personally. But he's putting people on the supreme court that are good for their agenda. He's you know. Kind of a lesser of evils. I guess and justify the means. Okay. So who who is he if he was in one faction who was who was he pissed out was he is the book about how he hated Trump was it about her hated John Kelly. He he kind of doesn't outwardly say awful things about Trump believe it or not he he he does a little side digs the people heat full hated like really aided. Sean spicer. We work about John Spicer. Yeah. He has some funny funny things about Sean Spicer that. He just says that he was like the minute. He got the job. It was a good jecklin high type situation where he just kinda took over wasn't trustworthy. At one point. He said. Sarah Sanders took over one point. He says the main difference between sons base and Sarah Sanders was basic human decency. And then he said. That. Sean Spicer chewed and swallowed thirty five pieces of gum before lunch. Every day. Swallowed gum. But. Yes, Anchalee Spicer early. Treated his staff. Like, sit wasn't a good boss. Everything was super chaotic. He's really Denali John Spicer at all. But he was real garbage. And didn't he hate Kellyanne Conway? Yeah. He won't he he does. He doesn't like her. I don't think she did anything personally to him. But he had some where league mean things to say about her first of all I did feel. There was a little tent. He the beginning of the book. He he's called her is like in her late forties. The kind of doing digs her appearance. Fuck off cliffs sins. I mean, yeah. Arment from underneath a mole hill. Like, what does he told? You about you know. So I'm like, okay. Okay. But he called her a cartoon villain brought to life. And then he said she's just what again what we've heard. He's very calculated. She plays both sides. He said, she Karenin Lee cloaked an invisible for coat passing. An all knowing smile as already collected ninety eight down Asians with only three to go vote. Join laughable on comedy writer. Yeah. He does have some good lines. He had a couple of that was pretty good close to cliff census gay. I wanna let him know. He can go ahead and come out that sounds like sue. Molin Ellen e or something I don't know Melanie meltdown. Oh, yeah. Talk someone. So he Kellyanne good story about Kellyanne Conway is back when Mika and Joe were saying how Kellyanne used to come on the show and defend Trump on camera than offscreen talk about. It'd be shitty was Kellyanne got really did. They lied about that I didn't. My bet they stopped having her on their show because they said, she was just a liar. Like, she would go come on man at the camera went off, she go. I need a shower. Trump's the worst, and they just called her out on it on the air while I never heard it. I hadn't heard that. No. The other thing that he I don't know if you're gonna tell the story about the thing with the laptop or whatever. Yeah. So that's what happened to she was outraged by this. She wanted to set the record straight. And kinda put out a statement saying that wasn't true and then ever happened. So he goes in cliff SIMS goes at our her office, and she says, oh just start typing it up on my laptop. If you don't mind says, okay, he sitting down not she's not realizing that her phone is connected to her laptop. So all the messages that she's on her phone or popping up on the laptop that he's on. And well, he's like I'm trying to craft visit saying she doesn't do that doesn't talk out about sides of her mouth. South and the entire time. It's just text going to different people in the media where she's talking about Jared Kushner and John Spicer resident right? Yes. Like currently leaking. While telling you being like going, I don't know. I Trump said that don't worry. I'll get them back on board just talking about everybody. And he's like your has no idea. She just sending all of these texts will use trying to craft a message saying, I would never do such a thing. He's not a huge fan of hers. Did he imply that she's lodestar or did he say who he thought was lodestar there? There was a Cup. They he didn't talk about that incident specifically, and there's not so much talk about even Pence in general, and that was one of the rumors that Pence, but he didn't talk about the resistance and all he did. So it was a whole thing about the leakers and his theory is. Ransom. Cubes might have done. Of course rent's pretty is that right ranks Ryan Ryan's pre it. It's. Yeah. So he thinks that he might have been doing in Kellyanne definitely he said everybody hind of did in a way that everyone had certain. People. They talk show in the press that they were close to to kind of get their point across. But it got so bad to where. When the moot came in. You first of all loves the mood. He was full on try got in because he hated Sean Spicer so much to talk to the president of bringing with Chen. So he really loved him. And still speaks very very highly him. He's Trump to cliff SIMS he's you know, he does he he does say. It's hard to not like him that he actually he as a person. He didn't think he's racist. He thought he is flawed person. But not as terrible as as people make amount sieves ever, see him doing anything. He's been a lot of time with them. He was in the White House. And so he just taught by just what he would say like inbetween them that he didn't get a racist five. Yeah. Exactly. So the way he kinda describe it. And I think this was in the bookstore is so enormous White House scenarios, there's a pecking order an org chart of these certain people that have direct access to the president. And it goes down the line and the way Trump works is he kind of is in the middle reaches out, whoever he wants to no matter how higher low they are on the totem pole. So some people in the administration who aren't getting in the inner circle mix resent the people who are especially if they're lower than which is kind of like. To think that he's like lurking around the assistance like yoga. Give me the details. I don't wanna read that which is exactly happening. So people like Spicer pubis and see van. They could not handle that like these these random people would get pulled into the mix all the time. And it wasn't the proper Oreo like order. The preferred protocol or whatever. But did he say anything about the hookers like anything about hookers, a stormy Daniels, or do you want to just give us the Malania scoop? Like, what did he say about what he's at so Malania, he said disputes what was in fire and fury because he said that he saw Malania and Trump on the night of the election, you know, in fire and fury and couple other books. It was it was crying the coronor. They never speak. He says that wasn't true. That is actually the opposite that Milania hold him. Hold Trump aside and said, you're going to be a great president. We're going to do this together. As an Donna going to be wonder from first lady too. I can't evolve into vitals with bad on. What do you think? An what do you think is really true? Like this guy. Sounds like a fucking show to me. But it's it's hard to say. I mean, those those things are so opposite. I don't know. He says that Milania was is pretty involved that she when she has to do her. Events at the White House like she's really in the mix like she, you know, talking about when she put together that beautiful Easter egg thing into everything perfect. Maybe win I can believe that she's involved when it has to do with designing an event writer like ten the Christmas thing like the you know, what I mean like decorating or site that she that they kind of have a more. Cooler relationship. Yeah. Trump's coming out like sue this guy. He signed an NDA it. Yeah. They're like Sean Spicer a little bit. Like, he's kind of like protecting Trump in a way. Like, he might talk to you about Kellyanne. But he's going to go, and that's didn't say a lot of super bad things about Trump. He he does say at the end that, you know, once he ended up leaving the White House that obviously Trump is loyal to only himself and doesn't really care about. Helping out people that helped him on the way up. And did he say they asked him to sign that that Omarosa thing where he doesn't? He doesn't mention the NBA what noble about where they're like you can go work for the campaign. Here's two hundred that is the that's right. That is the. Yeah. He doesn't mention anything about even signed the NDA. And it's hard to just judging. My what's in this book wonder if he was just like, I'm just gonna go for it. Or what it is? I don't know in the interviews that he gives each says he said that he they keep coating this thing where he said like I was a coward. And I was ruthless. Does he say what he was a coward and ruthless about? He says that he will. So he talks about at one point because he really didn't like pre-bus or Sean Spicer because again cliff Simms was part of the people who. Was on the Trump campaign. They stuck with him they reliable, and then remember when the pussy Tate came out, the RNC kind of really distanced themselves from Trump took a funding away. And so. The people who stayed with him during all that never forgot that. And then when previous him chief of stats human. It's. I'm trying to professional. He they never forgot it. So there's already that. Feeling of distrust that was there because they were like you left from the trips were down. And now you're back in the mix because he he won. So there was always it just already started off in a bad way so cliff SIMS ended up. At one point. He describes getting pulled into a spare room the side from an rate. Well. Over. How he had to kind of list off names, you believe out relievers Trump account, and he was like this is like he's making it an enemy list inside of the actual that's the enemy law. So who's on the enemy Lewis? It was a bunch of. A bunch of like low little slow level staffers than they were relief game. But then he started getting in his cliff sim started getting in Trump zero about Spicer. And that's how mooch got in the mix of he said that he cliff Simms was saying he was ruthless in a way that all of them are and that they put themselves first before. Well, who knows the most Vicary well Kellyanne Spicer? He really really did not like John Kelly. He thought join Kelly was he sounds like a fucking snob to. Yeah. Well, he goes into pretty a lot of detail about the whole rob porter things reporter was. Yes. A guy who was wife beater is trying to. Yeah. He and he has lighthouse secretary. And he's a funny was why he was the secretary and everything had to pass through him. So theoretically have talked clearance, and then they found out that he still got clearance. Even though it was allegations have been made now John Kelly, then came out and said, I didn't know I didn't know that I fired him right away. But all the evidence that otherwise and the minute that happened the entire stuff kind of lost. Kind of stop believing John Kelly because he was lying saying that he does. Immediately fired him when everyone knew that wasn't true that he really personally liked reporter a lot to keep his job. Join Kelly turned out to be such a fucking really did he realized and he kind of pulled in Moreau. So with with cliffs M's where he called him down to the office. And at this point cliffs was trying to get out of working in the White House. He was going to take a job with. With Pompeo because he had just been confirmed because you helped him get confirmed to the secretary state job. So he's gonna take a job in his office and one point hope Hicks, Sarah Sanders. Pull him aside and say they're going to get that job. Like, you're gotta start looking 'cause you're out knowing you anywhere near the shit. What about Jared any Vonk anything there? He thinks first of all he's he's very glowingly of on to the point that he's like she's so ceautiful she's like a live. To life. Not like her at night. That's private room is wife. What are you doing in there? Nothing. The door. Don't get on my Email of my private video strong. I'm I'm involved, and he told me beautiful beautiful. Yeah. He speaks very highly of Avante guy, you thinks she's just a delight. And he thinks Jared has a second smooth operator. He's got this. Yeah. He goes he is low key like behind everything he thinks that even Jared was because when mooch came in because we re pup- so much he thinks that Jared kind of orchestrated that so the mooch would come in get which would trigger pukes to leave. And he's like if mooch gets explodes as it's happening, then so be it so cliff soms thinks that Jared is like. Smarter than he gets credit for and really kind of. I see. I don't really think anyone underestimates Jared Kushner's intelligence. That's not really the problem. But I'm underestimating cliffs at this point. But when what is your overall feeling of cliff like that cloth is steel? Do you think that cloth? Like, what was your feeling of cloth? Like to see was he lying in embellishing sense as the Aligarh is he a snake? See if I- he what I link that. He was a of I tear in many ways. And I think that. He finds a what some say I wasn't being a good person. I wasn't. But you still stayed there. And you're still standing while. He's still stands by the policies of he's all conservative and his leg on we've done and do I personally like him. No, I don't. But what about Moreau said were they buddies? Do you think they're in the sales are? So I'm rose as that everybody was scared of her that she was in that one not woman while he likes. You definitely probably like black people. So I love that. He's decided that wasn't racist. At one point though. He was yes. So he's Moreau. So was he described this scene at one point where the Congressional Black caucus came? And I remember her talking about that in her book. But I don't remember the story. But he said that she'd had a blew up at the Congressional Black caucus and was saying you're in Trump's house now yelling at Trump's house. I know. Beyond. Okay. What he didn't like her on that note since you? Did you read ALROSA you're at fire and fury you read fucking doodoo? Spicer. You've now read this team vipers. And then you also James Komi. Yeah. That's being of James Comey. Franken real a real piece of shit. Clip sentence, by the way, he won't right out. And he ordered key everything is s dash or D even damn he won't write the word damn dork, though, he says what is getting breast cloth. You worked for Trump your garbage. Okay. So which of the books, I think that was five which is the one you liked this Julie's question like, which one did you like the best or you could do which was your personal favorite which one? Do you think it was the truest or best written? I mean, there's so many ways to judge the worst person amongst the five. Oh, that's true. Person. It's all the same story. It's all it's somebody's coming in explaining pleading their case to you to you the reader to be like, here's why a total of garbage and then explaining why they allowed garbage things to happen. But again, if I'm if I'm I was reading going, okay. If I'm a Republican, and I'm on board with all of these policies. What would I think of this guy and thorough? Some parts of him were it is a little sympathetic, and he has kind of paint himself as a Mr Smith goes to Washington, bright eyed, bushy tailed type of person, and you go, but I just can't buy it a ham by and then I'm. I don't know that is an interesting point, though, every single person who wrote those books like I believed in it. I wanted to work for this president. I thought we had our combing them my point of view. I was right. I was better than all of these people. And then I got out, and here's the true story of what's going on in their right? And they all have. So he said the fire and fury book. Got most of it wrong. He said obviously Steve ban except for the c band in parts because Steve Bannon was the one that was feeding a lot of the information on my goal. And even he talks about fear a little bit too. And he says that while Woodward. He's he is mostly accurate. But he was trying to say that there are conversations that happened within the book that couldn't have really happened that way and something you cliff sins. So Spicer said and his book so cliffs points that Sean Spicer full stole a small traveling refrigerator. People saw him locking. There was like I did no such thing. So it's like I believe was such a bitch you stole that fucking. You the the personal Minnie's read you wanted it for your bud lights, and you're on his you did it. But he's like I did not so things like that. Obviously, I believe clips him because that's such a detail. Yeah. I guess that got leaked at some point. Somebody's like I've seen Sean Spicer walking down a hallway carrying the well Yuling before we before we go, do, you know, who you would if you could get a book from anyone is there anyone because this is getting very tedious an like, you're just going to be like you're going to have to read Malcolm nance's, we're gonna have to start reading an Chris Christie's will be the same same shit. I think Chris uses. Here's why mound piece of shit, and I'm gonna go a it's too late. Oh, I wrote down a couple of good things in here that I did like you would enjoy and one of them my favorite story. I think in this book is theirs. A scene where Trump and Pence and cliff SIMS why clemson's is there. I don't know. But he was there are in office Paul Ryan and Paul Ryan is talking to Trump about healthcare and beg really trying to get through to them. And Trump just gets up in the middle of the conversation, walks out of the room and goes into another. It's watching today just leave the room completely Luther impo like full sits down to catch up on TV and they're all sitting in the room and Mike Pence had to go and retrieve him to come back in and he comes to set back down like nothing happened. And then all right. All right art, say was watching the news. He just looked at him. So aboard say like I'm over at me the room Jesus Christ. And then he. Oh, the hairspray. I finally cliff cliff SIMS names names with hairspray and looking at Lori L L net. No Tressler may. Oh, it's it's Tressan may trace to hairspray. Okay. I'm not mad at it. And carried a travel size. Doc at all times on his back pocket. Holster? You never know. I have the trust may travel size is common travel size that's floating around. Like, that's the one. That's always in the us. Yes. Federal side like a little mini to patients. This. It is so him and I'm going to there. Yeah. He's whatever little trace to. Thank you. For your investigative work on the on the back back pocket holster of hairspray. I mean that is a Los of information. We didn't know that's a good detail on the hair Savarese specific. Okay. We'll tell our fourteen listeners, and where they can troll you and find you on the socials. Well, you gonna is. Twitter is at an an any underscore Morris. Say Twitter dot com. Yeah. And. Dot com. That's what we're doing. Now. Okay. And love you. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Row. Have you heard about this show real rose of seamy valley on Facebook watch? I've been in seamy twenty-six years don't plan on leaving everything I need is right here. My boys. Why don't we drove a kickback retired from the best idea with my family? What the hell you don't can't get back inside. Okay. I'm doing art my girl. My truck of the dope is Mexican spots to watch the show go to Facebook and search for real of Seaney valley and check out new episode every Friday. Now, it's time for so there's that. All right. So this is the part of the show were Julius defined Ray of light shining through the tunnel of shit known as our current reality. She hates doing it. And though, I don't blame her for hating it I refuse to let her skip it. We all need some good news or some fake. Good news or some bad news happening too bad people, which is basically just good news to tell us. What is your? So there's that moment for this week. It doesn't get easy. It really doesn't. So. This want to. I'm not sure where the credit for this came from. But I know that there was a message on Twitter from someone where I saw this. And then I saw when I was doing my research, and it was really the thing that stuck out to me. So whoever sent this. I thank you. And it must've like subconsciously sparked in my mind because I've been founded again on my own, and I was like, oh, so and it really once I love getting thought from Moran row. I did see something. And we'll see if I okay. So because I didn't look into it. And then I then I saw this. And I was like this is this is the same thing. I think now when I saw this. This just made me feel good and fat and I loved it. And right now, I don't know what anyone else who's listening. But I need something that just feels good and feel sweet. And feels like if I want to like this place, if I went to this place like I would be held in the blubber of these mothers, and I could be taken away to a place where I don't have to remember what's going on in the world or deal with my weird stomachs as we all lived through the most pointless and stupid government shutdown if at like nothing good happened except for TSA members calling in sick, which was a revelation, and that did feel pretty good. But something else happened during the shutdown, and it was fucking amazing. Quote, as you may have heard Drake speech is under new management point. Reyes national seashore wrote on Facebook on Friday afternoon. Elephants sales have taken over. Yes. A herd of elephants seals that moved onto a California beach during January government shutdown they show no sign of giving up its newly gained territory anytime sued. So the post said that while the beach would remain close to humans this weekend at the direction of the new management the nearby road and parking lot or whatever would be open during the day for elephants seal viewing so around fifty to sixty adult elephants seals had made themselves comfortable on the beach and around thirty five pups had been born the seals also plowed through a fence to spill onto the parking area. Okay. That's how many seals. To spill. Bad babies, and then went into the parking lot. They did all this while wildlife management staff were furloughed due to the government shutdown so ever happened stance. Upon a bunch of wild seals in a parking lot and looking for parking like God damn. Can you imagine? No, never good things. Like that never happened to me while we could go out to hear and see them. Now, basically, it's like if your parents were out of town for a month, and you had an orgy gave birth thirty five times squatted in the house with your new commune in decided to never leave. What a dream. No, John de Las oh chief of interpretation and resource education in point Reyes national seashore told vice which is where I read this article that if the shutdown had not happened staff would have been around to discourage the seals from congregating in the area. And then they never would have come there like along along here. And who knows where those little babies couldn't maybe never been born. But since the pups have arrived they've decided that it's best for the seals to stay. Where they are. And they're keeping the filthy fucking human beings out there at a critical time the pumps have been born here. And there nursing so we're not gonna parking lot. Like there have like a barbecue grill and like set up like a motor home. They're like wearing a maga- creeper Mervyn. I want to go there so badly and take off all my clothes and join their commune. I know they would accept me. I've looked in the mirror, and I know they wouldn't know the difference. The elephants seals are just living life, and it just goes to show you what can happen in wildlife when it's life is just left alone by the garbage, violent human hands disturbing. They're beautiful fat natural process. We should all be so lucky. So there's that. So that's it for this episode of dumb gay politics. Thank you guys for listening to this podcast week after week. We are so grateful for all fourteen of you. And we appreciate you being here. Even if you don't sign up for Petri on podcast, please sign up for a patriot to go to WWW dot patriots dot com slash dumb, gay politics. It's only one dollar for a whole extra hour podcast per week. And it's completely different from this one. I mean complete completely, and we know that paying for shit is annoying. 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REShow: John Ellway. Hour 2 (04-29-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

57:42 min | 7 months ago

REShow: John Ellway. Hour 2 (04-29-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You podcasts base. This is the rich Eisen. Show one over this business or not. I don't mean to break my arm patting myself on the live from the rich. Eisen show studio in Los Angeles John Salley. You're on the richeisenshow. Did you WANNA shake hands? I didn't agree with me back in the game because I don't want to be talking about the hat and then when the game was over per person I went up to money asks author John Pro Football Hall of Famer John Elway plus pro football hall of Famer Brett Farr and now rich Eisen okay. Everybody it's our second hour here on the rich Eisen show but it's our first on NBC. Sem We say We say hello to our NBC. Or AS JERRY. Seinfeld who turned sixty six today would say hello. Hello Hey different. Ways to say Seinfeld bellybutton. I can't believe Seinfeld is sixty six years old today. That is unbelievable. He honestly the he looks six. He's the greatest my Gosh Hey everybody now. That's Chris Brockman. That's Mike Del. Tufo executive is he wants to be known as they are at their posts here on the rich Eisen show. We had a great I our as we always do on YouTube dot com slash richeisenshow for the streamers and for the listeners YouTube Our friends are Sirius. Xm Channel to eleven. And now here we are on NBC. We love being on here every single day and look at lineup. Baby look at those handsome pro football hall of fame. Gentlemen up on the screen. Look at that a lot of touchdowns on the Duke and Bread. Elway and far. That's how we're rolling. That's our rolling and just so you know Christopher as you know yesterday we're supposed to have far on. He was playing golf. He has confirmed. He's in Okay I do. I will send him one more. He said Yeah. I got the from Brett like anybody golf today to. I don't know okay. I don't know I did get from elway. Is this radio or do I need to look presentable so it looks like always just like everybody else you know wearing sweats when you can last time. These guys got haircut You know what I mean so it just did I just say always like everybody else really say by the way these this is one fifth of the NFL. One hundred all time team quarterback list elway in a bad. I have not spoken elway since I I said his name on that set when we recorded it back in May and John John at a heck of a draft man. Jerry Judy just sitting there. The rumors were that are trying to trade off to get him or alignment. I thought he was going to go to the raiders. I thought Judy would be the first wide receiver. Take you know who made that decision is our first our guest on NBC. Tomorrow Mike Mayock is confirmed. I got one word answer from him. Yep sure sure sure so jerry. Judy was there. And then caging Hamlin from Penn State. That kid can take a top off. Defenseman I'll tell you that as the AFC west gets gets more and more interesting. It's more more interesting on offense again. Those raiders broncos games where Rugs Judy will be on the field not against each other but on the field in the same game two kids from Alabama going to be playing twice a year in that division and the fact that judy's and oranges because rugs and silver and black. That's fun stuff and again the two guys who made the draft choices are first guests on NBC for today and tomorrow. John Elway I up today and Brett. Farve will be joining us. Lots to talk about with. Bret always is always interesting to catch up with him. The whole conversation that Aaron Rodgers is getting farve door or far guard. Aaron Rodgers Right. So Rogers is getting loved. Not Not figurative not literally. So we'll have this conversation with Brett later on when he joins us. I wondered. Did he get a call from Ted Thompson given? Hey Hey. If Rogers drops to US WE'RE GONNA take them or hey. We're about to choose Aaron Rodgers. Don't think Tom. Chance I'M GONNA take the under on that. Take the under on all that so That's later on this show. Hey James Winstons going to have a Florida Lee on the side of his helmet and he moved and he took a deal with a base salary of one million change with incentives around the three and a half million mark. And all right how he's GonNa make the incentives. You have the information right there. Yeah so a big time breakdown of James here. He's GonNa make nine hundred fifty two thousand and base salary gets one hundred and forty eight thousand dollar signing bonus can get one point seven six million in playtime incentives one point eight million in playoff playtime. Incentives gets a forty thousand bonus if he makes the pro bowl if there is one and has a max out of four point seven million dollars. That's if he obviously gets all these incentives so James Winstons going to go to New Orleans for that figure and obviously a lot of questions is why would he do that? And James That's a saints. Drew brees taste new. Sean Payton coach. John Lombardi Coach P. Carmel Creek. Zillion will you think about that? Room was like a Harvard Education in quarterback school. I wanted to put my ego aside. Put the money so excited. Thank my family thinking about my career. It was no better position to be in the same room with someone that I really looked up to someone that I admire since out. Been playing this game and drew brees a first things. I I hate to correct James on on a big decision for him. He's the quarterback room is really the Michigan of the East. Is really what he's talking about right there in terms of education. Wow put the helmet right there in front of me. You Know James Florida state. It's fine I mean that's a by the way James James Could've gone to Stanford you know. So he would know he would. No good educations when he sees. I never really throws the word Harvard out there. But let's be honest. Michigan East Stanford is Stanford. Bring the Michigan West. Says nobody does okay. I just did. Hey so but I don't blame him for saying that. I don't blame for saying that. I mean what's He gonNA say? Well what's he? What's he gonNa say is is something that does kind of stick the needle? Arians as we all know the quarterback whisperer. He's one did what he did with. Andrew Lock Peyton Manning. Big Ben he did throw for five thousand yards with areas right there. So why isn't he going touchdowns a starting quarterback because people don't want the other thirty that's why then what the other thirty you tell me. There's not a head coach or an offensive coordinator at out there. But they don't want thirty enough ego coach. Didn't want the your through your Co. he's not gonNA throw off. Your coach. DidN'T WANNA throw. Your coach. Didn't want the thirty year coach. Doesn't want somebody on a short field. Your coach doesn't want that. Your coach does not want to risk it and the only biscuits are for. Nike. The dog so go. That's thirty interceptions. Tom Brady only throwing single. Digits each year Brunch AAA. You don't WanNa do that. I understand not taken. Don't forget and we'll we'll we'll have a guest on and our number three there has to be some form of interest in potentially getting out there against the bucks and Brady now. Obviously if he does that there's a considerable breakdown. And what the plans for the New Orleans Saints. Twenty twenty season would be the same way that Bridgewater got five starts last year. You're thinking if breeze has age. Now forty-one a hiccup on the health front. Maybe he gets out there. And maybe coincides with a trip to Tampa or Tampa. They're building that's gotTa be good eats at. Its look the in terms of a move for the saints. What a great move that is. What a great move. That is just great. So if if Drew brees winds up sitting next to our our buddy. Mike Tirico On the set of Sunday night football next year that happens in two thousand twenty one. James just had a whole year in the system in New Orleans. Tatum hills got one year left on his deal. And Sean Payton doesn't think that that's the way to go. You've got a kid who's younger than thirty ready to go right here. And you know that the numbers this year won't require the saints have to pony up cousins. Dak tight money I think this is a brilliant maneuver for the New Orleans Saints and it worked out for bridgewater who got a job in the division. Three Year. Deal the next year. I think this is a great move by the nuance. I still don't get it. You're paying tastes him hill. A guy who you said is not the backup. But he definitely is because he's going to play more snaps than James Winston wreck. Sixteen Times as much as your quote unquote paying your. But he's not the backup day. Some hills not isn't it interesting to say he's going to have more snaps in the backup but he's not the backup because the snaps he's going to have is not as the backup quarterback he's going to be. The Guy who comes in is the Swiss army knife comes at. Ya Because Sean Payton is just the right amount of crazy. That's that's that's honestly breeze. Breeze thumb blew up on the helmet of Aaron Donald last year and Tastes Hill. I thought remember I came here and I'm like hey don't sleep on tastes is GonNa get some snaps bridgewater so Jamie paying this guy. Sixteen million guaranteed because a lot of money because guy who's not your back of quarter because he's going to do more than just quarterbacking and he could be the backup quarterback to I love what the saints are doing man. What does it matter? I mean it's. It's not as if that money's coming out of what they needed other spots to try to super bowl. They're ready to win a super bowl right now and James was a great move and I like it and I don't know what Jameson other options are or were could have signed with another team who's coach might not be tenured is Sean Payton. Probably could he have signed in a spot where he wouldn't have gone to the Michigan of the east of quarterback rooms? Probably by the way you like how I just like by the way. It's not still you still not. It's not smoothly done. If I have to point out how smoothly it has been so I should back off. Why couldn't you have been to Starter Jacksonville? That wouldn't have been a better for him. I don't think Jacksonville was interested. How about that? I don't think Jacksonville was interested because Doug Marrone Doug marrone is clean. I know we love Gardner mentioned not half as good as Jameis Winston Doug marrone. It's interesting Sean. Payton is also from the parcels tree. Doug marrone is from. The parcels drinks fruit straight from the parcels tree. And who's WHO's the ultimate fruit from the parcels trees. Belichick Sean Payton doesn't want these turnovers either. But I guess he's. He's willing to figure out as every coach. Can I know how to get those? Those numbers turnovers if he doesn't get on the field and plus he said lasix surgery. So maybe that's too did you have Jamie's getting signed before Cam Newton? Yes I did because James doesn't have to prove anything physically at all. Oh that doesn't surprise me at all cameras a camera. I don't know I don't know where cams go- now not that it would have been an option in New Orleans. I don't know what Jacksonville's up to and I don't know what your boy in New England up to buy your boy. I mean the dog. The dog meant yes. No I have no explanation for what so I just I like the signing by the saints and hey look if you could sign a contract for seven figures without knowing if there is actually a season coming when you when you WanNa get on that right away I mean yeah I mean there. That's gotta be. It also seems like James and the humble himself to be a backup kinda learn and improve his game for the next ten years of his life. We don't know if cams willing to accept a backup correct. I I am a fan of James Winstons. Having met him twice last year in London and then in Tampa and it can't be easy to again. I I you know I I I I know what it's like to have your entire identity ripped out from under you when the first entity to hire you as a professional on a national scale like. Espn they called me up one day. And they're like I think we're done now you know. I'm not saying that the next anchor. Who filled in for me on sportscenter is the Tom. Brady of anchors. what I am saying is I'm I don't know what I'm saying. Other than the fact that know how James feels man. He's gotta be sitting there wondering what the Hell's going on. And He needs to find a spot and he could find a spot where he can take on. Tampa and basically tell John Peyton a couple things you know sign after the deadline for which the bucks now do not get a compensatory pick and also just fire in the direction of Bruce Arians the quarterback Guru. Yeah I think I'm GONNA great spot. Coach knows how to coach quarterbacks the Harvard of quarterback situations which by the way also is at a slight to Ryan Fitzpatrick too. I mean you go to Miami and if you want to go straight to the Harvard Guy Quarterback elway far baby. Is that our poll question? Are you just going to go straight to? I'M GONNA go at the end of our first hour. Which again can be seen streamed on youtube at YouTube dot com slash? Rich Eisen show. You can check us out all three hours right there obviously. Nbc OUR FRIENDS AT NBC S. N. will you can catch us at one two three eastern everyday our podcast on podcast one. Sirius. Xm To eleven. If you want to hear us at any point in time during our live three hours you came up with this idea towards the end and you're gonNA green light it. Yeah Yeah we're we're just going with it. So are two hall of fame guests today John elway Brett Farve. You got one drive your first and ten at the twenty down six two minutes to go. Yes who's your quarterback Elway Farve? Do we have the numbers of career? Comeback Victories. Sure you can look. I probably probably find that I got mine. What's your away. I saw it live. What do you mean you saw San Diego? Oh that that super bowl. Yeah I mean it was an. I'll say this because he hasn't seen you mean the one where the packers let Terrell Davis score so they could get the ball back for far. Is that what you're saying by the way this that's the super bowl matchup rush through and I'm just joking by the way I I wonder if browns fans can bring themselves to click on elway. Probably not all right according to pro football reference. One of the best best sites out there. Nfl game winning drive career leaders since one thousand nine hundred sixty peyton manning fifty four leads the way in the five whole Brett. Farr forty three by John. Elway number seven forty. We give me the rest of the top five Brady. Brady's fourth all Time House. Dan Marino. Third Forty seven drew brees active fifty career game deaths how many Marino burrito fifth forty seven an interesting fact forty five of them against the New York jets certain forty five of them at forty. It's really strange. Because he didn't even play eating play forty. Five total games against the jets. Rich Eisen Guy. We've been talking about a lot this week. Aaron Rodgers only twenty three career game winning drive. That's because he's only had one touchdown pass to her first round drafted individual this entire career to baby the duke. Who PROBABLY BE WEARING SWEATPANTS? Because he's not on camera next on. Nbc on the Rich Eisen Show. We re tweet that one. I mean let's get the numbers said Brady was second. Have Adam call the number for for Elway? Let's get them on a horn. And maybe before this. I don't know that he's comfortable in the living room for the draft setup said again is he in his living room for the draft. Set up in a nice In a nice setup there look at that that those those are the Bardi Trophies. By the way that you can't give me curt has at the House. Many stores look like the real deal. Not Getting the mini's yeah you can get full ones. Of course you can get full ones. Can you buy the big? I know I thought you only get the mini yet because because Pat Bolan and the NFL. And or Tiffany's will tell John elway. Sorry John John Fair Super Bowl. I'd say John. Come on John McCain if I was brave for you know the one for Josh. This mini ones for you this. What the real ones for John. Right now. We're not on NBC `send just yet but we're we're we're we're in a commercial break But people can hear us right now. John How are you there? It's rich I I am here. I'm fine we were just talking about the Lombardi's that you had in your draft set up or the big ones of the little ones and I'm like yeah like Pat bowlen's GonNa say this real ones for John but now behind the camera the mini ones for you. You never write. That didn't it. Those are the real ones right. Those are the those are the real one there. Full-sized their full-size right. Okay so yeah along with the beautiful pottery. That's at the top tier that we that we saw. I mean that's that's it was very fun. I pointed out to John. Always about to join us here on the show back in a second. Put John Back on hold. We're here on Siriusxm Channel to eleven and a poll. Question is up to Chris. It's up to music downloads. Average you back on. Nbc S. N. What are we got over there about a minute? I'm sorry premature. We're platform just want to make sure that he's comfortable. Gotcha all right. Make sure farms joining us in the in the final hour gotta get a good five story from elway right. Of course that wasn't a super bowl where he's pointing out Mr Megie right farve. Is that a real thing you've ever seen that? No that's the genesis films thing mic`ed up that was the Greatest Montana. Montana's the one in the huddle talking about Josh restroom. Yagi was not in a super bowl. It was like a regular Monday night. Game or something. Pat Morita Greg. Glad we got our ducks appropriately for our hall of fame guests today. Okay all right. We're back in a second. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com. Today that's Geiko DOT COM G. I. C. O. DOT COM. Welcome back to the rich Eisen. Show live on. Nbc `Send Sirius Xm Channel Two eleven YouTube dot com slash rich Eisen. There's not enough platforms for us that you can avoid us. I'll be very honest with you. The Brett Farve will be joining us in our third hour of this program. Our final hour program but police to have on right now. The general manager and President of Football Operations of the team that he spent all sixteen hall of fame campaigns with back in his playing days. The Denver Broncos John elway. How are you John? Thank you appreciate you joining this program and And I I I just WANNA make sure you're comfortable. You like everybody else. Just in sweats when you just hanging around the house just chilling out and you just like the rest of us. John I am. I am yeah. It's kind of Nice. It's it's It's taken me wild. Get used to it because we've had to work the last couple of weeks that We really don't have a lot to do right now. It's a little bit different. I gotta find things to do which I'm not used to doing. I bet so. I'm curious to what you thought about this draft. We all know the circumstances under which y you and the rest of your colleagues had to draft the way that you did. Was there anything to it that your thought you know what I. I wouldn't mind if we did this from now on John Yeah I mean. I think that we really got a lot done. I mean I think that with the space that we had and not having to deal with a lot of other things that you have to deal with at the office that You know it was a pretty good setup you know. I think draft a Jap Day was good. My kids were here so people got you know. They got to see kind of how everything worked. And we're intrigued by that so I think it was great with with that and then but You know the only thing I didn't like as a you know I. I like a little bit more communication private communication which was hard to do when you on that we were able to do that with you. Know on our cell phones and those type things so as time went on we got more and more comfortable with it. You're by the end by the time. The draft star. I think everybody's ready to go and I think it worked out pretty well. Yeah I mean because I spoke to Howie Roseman of the Eagles A couple of days ago and he thought that the first couple of nights he thought that maybe the way everything was going was in fact tapping down trades or conversations and then Saturday when things became a little bit more would say I guess normal that that's where things began to take off is what you just said kind of playing into. What how he said. Yeah Yeah no question. I think how he's right. I think that you know everybody was a little bit cautious and first couple of days because obviously nobody wanted to make a mistake or disconnected somehow and all of a sudden. We're going to miss a pick and so I think that's where most of the stress came from You know when this setup rather than what we've done in the past but it ended up being just fine as you said you know people started doing making some more booze doing different things on on the last day which Once everybody got comfortable and in terms of like being a private conversation so you would just step away from the zoom and go to the other part of your your beautiful home draft set up and have a conversation on your cell phone. Is that how it works? Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah so we do that can And you know we didn't have a whole lot of those but a couple of situations just to look at different options and so yeah that's how we instead of being. I'll just look you know. Look at Vic next to me on one side or Russell Matt Russell on the other side you know just had to do it via the cell phone so that made a little bit tougher but once you get used to that You know thank you got pretty into. It went pretty well as you into your chair in your house on opening night of the draft. John Elway if I told you you could sit at fifteen and Jerry. Judy would fall to you. You said to me what I said. There's about a ten percent chance of that. I think you know all all of preparation and everything that we've done up to that point in time You know and even at all or mock drafts. Jerry never got through our mock draft will. It was yeah it was a surprise surprise to us and it really depended on what the you know. Especially with the raiders and the niners in front of us with You know they needed wide receiver. They had wide receiver needs. And as well as you never know which direction the Jeff. We're going to go. Even though she thought it was gonNA be tackled. But you never know so. There's a lot of things that could happen in front of us that were You know that We wouldn't have ended up with Jerry but unfortunately at the right way and you fell into our laps and we're thrilled about try to knock on somebody's during the top ten. It'll yeah we did. You know I think that You know we did that but I think with where we are as a football team. Felt that You know we had a lot of any big ten picks so we had We had five in the first hundred picks and so I think Where we were football team draft capital was more important moving up and we felt like even fifteen no matter how it felt so and that's why we didn't It was too much to move up too costly to move up so we felt like we're going to get a good football player there plus without having to give up draft. So are you also saying when you're mocking this out they did You might not have thought May Aachen Gruden. We're GONNA take rugs and that spot John. No no that was a bit of a surprise. We didn't have even though what we do with it because what was different this year with our mock says you're scouts or in and so we we with all our scouts and they have three or four times a piece and then we do the mock that way but this year we did it Where we took all the mock drafts that were there and we ran those scenarios and then with each mark what was left and I don't know that there was ever a mock with drugs. Go on at twelve and so therefore that's why I think was such a different situation for us because we had been through that scenario and then you went back to the Penn state wide receiver store in the second round. John Way dead. We did you know we and I will tell you this. He was kind of our target in the second round from the very get go depending on how the first round fell right in. No Jackie GonNa fall and so but he was going to be kind of our target In that second round 'cause we love his explosiveness we'd love the speed. And and the way that he plays and so he can. Really you know. Threaten the defensive so he was kind of our target now not then not knowing how the first round was going to go. I was still prepared to go receive a receiver and I know that it helped us go and receive a receiver because of the fact that if we hadn't gone receiver in the first round. I think there's been a lot of people that were better. Try to jump us in the second round and so I think there's a lot of people behind us that can let us know that that was Kinda handler was there guy But I think you know with US sitting there not going up as well as having drafted by to see in the first round. I think people were people were Mauri you know refined sitting there thinking that we weren't gonNA drop An another wide receiver. So that wealth. I know you went. You went wide receiver wide receiver. John Why I mean obviously You know there are a lot of potential answers to that. But why did you do that? Well I think that we wanted to get more explosive on the offensive side and so Jerry there at fifty and obviously the great route runner and experience tons of production him one and then handler at two with the speed and his ability to be able to stretch the field and I think over the last couple of years. You know we've lost commerce And you know we lost the guy that went to Emmanuel Sanders last year. And so you know. We were low depleted in the wide receivers. We weren't had been nearly as an explosive on the offense inside that we needed to be so we made the commitment that we're going to get better on the offensive side. We need to put more points on the board and so we. Kinda made that a point this year going in that we need to get some speed and some depth that wide receiver and so that was going in John. Elway DENVER broncos General Manager in front of his executive here on the rich Eisen show. What did you see how to lock last year? That checked a box of what you evaluated of him. Which I think the thing about quarterbacks you know you can see the physical talent on tape you can see how they throw it how they move. You know how they go through how they're able to get through reasons so progressions and all that you can see all that on tape and I always think that You know the number one thing with quarterbacks it's very difficult to read as how are they going to handle the situation how they're going to have the pressure the NFL and the lights on the lights get turned on? How are they GONNA handle it? And I think you know. Eighty percent of that of quarterbacks it make it fail are the ones that they fail. They can't they can't adjust to that and can't get used to that and understand You know the the expectations of them in that position and so I think what I saw. What we saw drew was in fact we knew physical ability kvor round. He was a four. Six Guy. Combi allows you could make all the throws and and But how he was going to handle you know the whole situation of getting in there when the lights turned on and I think that was the most encouraging thing that we saw was You know what he enjoyed playing the game if he came like You know he'd been there before Give were able to bounce back from mistakes and let mistakes bothering them at bounce back from them and so I think you know we see what we saw mostly in those last five games that he started that you know. He has the mental capacity. Not only the handle the offense but also the handle all the things outside that with the pressure that goes along with being being a quarterback in terms of you know for the team in terms of handling things John. How does an NFL one hundred all time team quarterback delegate to others potentially to develop a quarterback that he himself has drafted? How do you work on that John? Well I think number one. Is You know you try to good? you've tried to put him in the best system that you can put him into where you have a chance to be successful and that's why to me. Coaching is so important And then the next thing is to be able to have people around him They can they can help make him successful and give him the ability to go different places and have the opportunity to like. I said to be successful. So you know you got you got to have both. I think with Pat Shurmur coming in as our offense coordinator this year. He's got tremendous Experience in dealing with young quarterbacks as well as Mike Schuler came with him to be. Your quarterback coach has a tremendous about of tremendous amount experience. Also so you know you. Mix The coaching with the talent around quarterback and you know to me that gives them the best chance to be successful. That said I mean if I may your John Freaking elway though you know what I mean like you. Don't you don't Chime in. Chime in your. I will tell you this well. Here's the thing that I would say is that you know what you're going to be sitting there going to put you on the top of that pedestal. And as soon as they do they're gonNA try to knock you off the pedestal. And you gotta be tough enough to stay on top of that pedestal in that. Allow THEM TO KNOCK YOU OFF. And so that comes with you know with confidence and the confidence in yourself you billy to understanding that the the world is GonNa Cave at some point game. You're going to have a four game and the world's GonNa came in a ride and it's how you handle that coming out and how you handle next week because you're gonNA have a lot of good times and you're gonNA have a lot of tough times and to tell you if easy handling the the the good times easy handles how you handle the tough times and career and how you come to that and as long as you got your nose to the grindstone. Yeah you know that you can do what you're able to do and get out there and continue to work at it then you'll you'll grind through that and Because it's a grind. The as I said they're gonNA you're on that pedestal for your whole career and all they try to shoot you off at your job stater but you don't you don't ever pull lock aside or anybody aside in or or do you say hey my doors open because again. I could do know I. I like having conversations with them and and again. I don't do a lot of that. Because as a quarterback they're getting instruction from a lot of different point of view from their coaches off coordinator as well as a quarterback coach head coach jumps in there every once in a while to but my my thing is big picture with him right. My deal is to be there for support. Helped him through the different times. That maybe he's going through that I can give him my experience and how I got through. So there's there's no question The conversations I have with him were definitely under the big picture of play. That's the -sarily each different. Play that the idea of how to play the game and and you know how to handle everything that goes along with that position. So Yeah No. The door's always open. I talked to drew. You know talking about this off season but definitely plan on talking more and having had that I've had to build helped him with along that way in a few minutes I have left with you. John Elway I wanna go memory lane with a little bit here. I remember the first time I saw Pat. Bolan you know with NFL network which would never have existed without him period end of story. I just thought this is the coolest guy I've ever come across. You know with the glasses It was a leather jacket. GimMe the coolest Bolan story for you. What's The coolest Pat Ball story? That's in your rich. I think rich says one thing you want to talk about. That he was he was he was a cruel dude. I think that I think he was forty. Two or forty three years old when he brought the Broncos and so Forty two years old and owning an NFL. That'd be a lot of I think that He was one guy that took full advantage of that and and But you know you had a great sense for you said without you know without him the NFL network as far as some of the different things that he did then he was on every committee could possibly be on it at the League level But just had a sixth sense about people the right people and right positions he was not a guy that You know would jump in and have a bunch of suggestions or tell you to do something but you know he always wanted to be in the know. He always wanted to know what you're doing and he wanted to know why. And so you know as long as you had to why he was very eager to work for. If you didn't have the why then You know he's much wanted to know. And then you have to have some kind of y of what you're doing so but he was very easy was great. It was like you said this. I played a lot of golf with them. Is Fun to play golf with. And and you know it was a guy that it's just a great owner and you know we'll be missed forever so we got five on the next hour John. What was it like in that Super Bowl laughing already? Gave me good five story? What do you got on? Come on John. You know he's again that you know every time he's on you know he He's fun to talk to. You got a great sense of humor. He's got that. Just -sition that You know He doesn't care what the world thinks. You know just a tremendously funny person. That You know it's fun to be around it so You know there are so many Brett farve stories and and the thing is you know you always used to tell me when we're over there and throw ball used to kill me for my walk. He had made totally peg when it came down to how I walked. And so he he. He spent a lot of time walking around with some of the pro when we had a break pro bowl showing that the move how I walked and so but it was a very good imitation. What was it what was it the Sachet. I duNno wasn't pigeon toe. No STIGMA REAR. End Up picking up there so it was a little overdone. But I'm sure it was. It got a good laugh every time we did it. Well he had to deny him a super bowl you to deny them that John you know that at a collapse snuck up on him. You know they're defending champs and they had a great football team but we had a great day. We're able to run the football. They can't keep them off the feel the need you know even so they were still in the football game till late and and You know so we're fortunate They had a great football team. But we're able to finally get over the Hump and you know. I appreciate him saying you know what you're saying that if he was gonNA lose anybody what if find losing the main which I know. It's still hurting losing. But you know maybe feel good that You know that he said that. And so I've always had a great deal of respect for what he's been as football player in this league and also his personality and and You know he's just a great great a lot of Iraq that said he shot a seventy nine yesterday when he played golf. You could take him there right. John Easy seventy nine. Yeah but I'll be getting closer. I didn't remember him being that good so it must be working on a little bit. How much how much we played golf man played golf for twenty years and so. I like to make sure that he knows the good together. Play some golf. How much candy. What you have to give them. How much of course seventy nine does that? The users shouldn't have seventy or I don't know I don't know I asked him a couple of shots inside. I would think so. Are you scratch? Is that what you're saying? Are you scratch John? You don't want to say it in public because you don't want to give it out so I haven't been watching my my my handicap's want so that is such a franks. I'm Laurie. You Got Lombardi trophies at home on I John Last one for you. How often do you think of the Dr? Do you ever think about that. I mean you ever sit around thinking about one of your great moments in the history of the game. You ever think about that. John you know you know you know you don't want the fun thing about this. Whole thing of being quarantined at home is and not any lack of TV. There's been a lot more you know things on TV from the past. I've more older NFL game. Brian was able to see the drive game and take a peek at it. Yeah I think about it. I mean that was that was probably you know other than the Super Bowl is the biggest game of my life just in the fact that that was one that put me on the map and especially with everything that was in my fourth year and everything that I've gone through as far as the draft and and getting traded to Denver and so you know struggling my first year and so to be able to continue to get better and then finally in the fourth year. Be Able to to have the drive and bill to do that just to win in overtime. Really kind of put me on the map by so From that point on it was about trying to chase those super bowls down but Yeah the drive will always be right there at the top as far as games that I play just because of what it did for me I'm mandated. Ask You when you watch the drive again. Just recently what did you did you learn anything? Forget anything that you pick something up what you what did you would you get from that? You know it's funny. I can still remember what I was thinking. When I watched the game I can still remember each plan what I was thinking afterwards. And how thing out of the whole thing percent now. I don't remember he wants to get into Overti- or but I was able to. You know it is exciting to watch Because I don't I think probably the last time I saw that was ten fifteen years ago. And so you know you can't go back and relive it and and You know I'm GonNa be sixty zero. I'll be sixty years old this year and so to be able to look back back miles getting to the point. Was that really me saw so long ago. But you know what it does is it makes you wanna play again and You know wish you had twenty five thirty year old body to be able to do that helps to know the ending to they'll right does. There's no question. Yeah there's IT'S A it's a real positive but you know the time it's it's not nearly as much fun at the time as it is looking back when you're almost sixty. Yeah I mean I'm just looking at the ratings for this right here in front of me. They didn't watch IT IN CLEVELAND. Odd they just turned the television sets off John. That was You know rates. I remember. That was a loud stadium and they were playing great. They had a great football team. Old Cleveland municipal. The baseball it was a dark dreary day was cold. I think is around ten degrees. It's Kinda damp and wet and and You know Kinda one of those old things that I watched. I back at like You know Jim Brown with playing and those guys are playing. That's what can when I look back at that. Now it's it's Look the same. Look except it's me playing and so you know the it's just a a great memory and just the way it all came about to where you know. We walked out of that place and it was. You could hear you can hear a penny drop on the ground. It was so quiet and so Then forced me to the next three years wherever beat them here in Denver the AFC championship game so They've always been a nemesis for For them we've been nemesis for them for a long time. You could say that again. Hey John Appreciate the time. Always love our chats. I could chat with you all day but I do have coming up and I can't wait to tell him that That you still have some strokes to get back to the course Jon. I can't wait to tell them that. Well yeah maybe once they work make it work a good deal for me on a golf course. I'll be more than happy negotiate that for you. We'll chat soon. That sounds good rich. Thank you if you take care. Thank you that's Jon L. A. Everybody how great was that way. He could have been playing that stadium and Yankee Way Grace. I know what you're talking about love to get it. By the way I ninety five would love a roundtable him dion. Who else can we get to talk baseball? I Guess Brian Jordan away but blind Jordan below accent. Oh Yeah Cuyler Maury attributions patrimonial just talking they all could play elway Danny ainge in there to get Danny ainge walking through that door drafted by the Buccino but just an NFL conversation on 'cause La's you remember that's what he's basically baseball. Yeah and that's why. He wanted to put the Broncos. Thanks no thanks. Nope I think it was Baltimore Baltimore to Baltimore. You pulled up the truck. Eight four four two zero four rich number. Dial we will take your phone calls when we come back here on. Nbc Brett Farve. He has no idea. The candy is GonNa get from elwyn. That's coming up dynamite. Man Always Guy loved it so very much. I loved it so very much. So what's going on over there? Anything in the four five fours that I need to know about our just talking about Elway's handicapped it's pretty good. I'm a one I'm potentially booking another hall of fame guests whose name I just said just casually throwing out that he's a one one golf. Would you have to play to get down to a one? I'd have to do five days a week for like three or four years. I'm thinking minimum. Yeah I'm good I can. I can hit the ball out of Greens I have to learn Greens. I you have to be a better break this to you a problem. Green hitting Greens. Your problem is reading for Dell Road. That's the wall that That's my clubhouse leader of favorite moment of the day right there. You're reading the Greens good. But I'm not the crap I got a good shot. That made me laugh really hard getting there. That was a good laugh. Great job rich. You know good job now. So I'm I'm looking up every now and then over here you know on the direct TV. Sports Mix I. Don't count say this. I'm seeing a coward talking about report. That era of Jordan was drafted because Because Leflore is either soured on on Rogers. Is that report? The analysis of Greg Cosell or is it really report out there. I'm serious seriously report or is the report that's in the lower bottom of his topic. Bar What Greg. It's got nothing to do with our show. It's Greg Cosell is an analysis by Greg. Cosell now being labeled a report that that's just cosell saying my evaluation pick my evaluation of Rogers evaluation of La Floor. Where he's from and what he would want to do with his offense. This is my evaluation of it. He's not saying I've heard Matt leflore doesn't want Rogers exactly. So Am I asking? Is there a report out? There does doesn't it okay? We're back with your phone calls at eight. Four four two zero four rich a moment. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. Geico DOT COM. Today that's Geiko DOT COM G. I. C. O. DOT COM welcome back to the rich Eisen. Show what a great shot we just had with John. Just a great chatting and you know just hearing him say. Hey you know I was just catching the the The drive the other day and hadn't seen it in ten fifteen years and I again. I don't WanNa keep putting myself in the shoes of of others who are pro football hall of famers or in the cases at Jameis Winston earlier I F- I I understand how he feels with an entity that he's associated himself professionally and perhaps personally so much with parting ways. I know what that was like back in two thousand three when ESPN and I parted ways and NFL network. But I do sometimes look and I'm I'm stealing myself as the last dance director. Jason Hare told me that my hair is coming right that when I do see that it does feel like a different person. Different time like so much has happened. That elway's basically saying he's turning sixty seinfeld sixty six and always about to be sixty. What is happening? But him saying that it feels like it doesn't even look like him although he can remember what he was thinking on every play love it. But what really is so inspiring for me? Is that if I could somehow. Somehow LOP OFF NUMB TEEN PLACES OFF MY HANDICAP. If I could not nineteen off my handicap and get down to a one one day God willing. I live long enough and I have enough time to do something like time is that I somehow find you. I hand coordination not just that but the patients the focus that it requires to put shot after shot after shot together to get a car and continued to do such a thing for four hours better before hours by the way that I'm inspired the way. Elway just like you know. I haven't played in a while but you know I'm a one says I'm a one that's why you need to say you're a one because you can't say oh. I'M A ONE HANDICAP. Puff your chest out because you know the. Golf God's will frown upon something like that and also you show up you play. Everyone's GONNA WANNA tiny a ton of strokes. He's won't do that. Marshall Faulk who's been on this show many times say handicap in public for that express reason and I try to get out of. How'd you shoot? I don't know what you don't know you need to put in number one of the computer. Yes you don't know I know you know what you get. How dare you look at me and not tell me what you shot when I know you know? Forget it's weird fuzzy man and I love it. Always like sodas. He usually break any wants to know. These are high profile competitors. It's got a phone lines right now. Tom In Ohio. You're on the rich Eisen show. It's up Tom. Rich and gang. I I have an unusual take on your Poll question far or or Hell way that final drive and back when I was in high school I jog two miles every day to the school. Workout Jog two miles home. Okay then pushed dad's lawnmower around you know and they just went. I WENT UP DENVER. A couple of weeks before the season started for my brother's wedding and I thought well I'll go out for a jog. I made it about a block and a half and I collapsed on a bench and my temples are around. I'm like being. There is something to this altitude thing and then my brother explains like because I'm from Ohio so I'm basically sea level you know. And they're a mile high yet. They have like twenty three percent extra lung capacity. There's a reason that I think that whole not just elway but that whole team was in good shape in the fourth quarter and the other teams. We're all gassed. You know what I didn't even think to bring science and altitude into this thing but Not a bad one. Appreciate the call right there. That's Tom in Ohio so I guess he's taking away. Where are we on that? Poll question at richeisenshow. Okay drive from the twenty down six just two minutes to go away or far. Yes John elway. Fifty three and a half percent closed one Brett farve forty six and a half percent. And by the way quarterbacks are known control freaks right. Oh Yeah Hall of fame. Quarterbacks have to be the most controlling of control for the next level how does he not want to just take drew lock? And just say everybody back off back off. I got this on the Duke. Right got drew boxing weapons. Let's go to Ryan in New York. You're on the rich Eisen. Show Up Ryan. How are you sir? Pretty good First and foremost everybody is doing well on these times in a balanced diet as much as they can okay I have a quick question. Are you a jets fan? Are you new to these parts Ryan More or less. I mean I've always watched show just Every time I've seen you talked about the judges I couldn't put their narrative. If you were. LemMe just kind of a New York. Let me answer this question for you. Okay Ryan and then I'll tell you. Let me answer your question this way. Certainly in the idea of just talked about former sportscenter anchor. John elway coming here. I was on Sportscenter for a couple of years when the jets made the AFC championship game in Denver taking on John. Elway and Terrell Davis and all of them. We are vinny testaverde's parcels going into layer. And we'll talk about altitude. I sat second row from the top of that stadium. I flew out to Denver. I was a single man. I went to Denver and I wore even though I was a supposedly recognizable sportscenter anchor with hair second from the top row of that stadium wearing my Leslie Walker. Jets Jersey at Camp Laconda and trails and camp to the point I had the Richard Isan label stitched into the back still so they knew which bunk to return it to. I showed up by the way fit into it barely and watched as jets had a halftime lead going into the locker room. The place was you want to talk about. Said there was a pin drop. You could hear a penny drop. You could hear that in that stadium and then Dave Meggett when a parcells guys. The opening kickoff of the second half with the jets was receiving fall in front of him. Denver got the ball scored. And then Keith. Byars parcells guy fumbled the ball later on that day. Does that answer your question? Yes Sir and that being said I hope I'm twenty two years old now? I hope that's mean a couple of years. Oh wearing DARNOLD JERSEY I'm I'm I'm still staying faithful. Okay I do have a question for you though and I know we've been talking a lot about the draft and I will say that Joe. Douglas gives me a lot of hope. Which is something that We try to stray away from but I I can't help myself. I think he danced around this draft. I think for the most part He. It was a statement draft and I think he did a very good job at drafting value at At certain positions do you feel like especially with. They're trying to put everything towards Sam. Darnold do you feel like this draft? That's going to push to the next level. What is the next level? Santa Arnold is. She works inches or is he twenty. Romo. Great Question Ryan I wish I had the answer for you right now. Sir. I don't know darnold is still up in the air and I thank you for the call. I it's still an open. The question about him smart. Move to get back in. Who's huge and talented and athletic. And what exactly you need. Let Donald sit back there and survey the field a little bit more and throw it to that kid mims from Baylor and I am no idea in Lebanon. Bell will actually show steelers Lebanon. I don't know but the trap door open that day for me. The jets trap door there half away from the Super Bowl and I was there and I was getting looks from people in the very top. What's the White Guy who sits next to Stuart doing up here? It's the White Guy. Not The guy I saw with Brett. Haber ABOR LOOKS. I was getting from people. I was there man and it was. It was quiet and that place when you throw at any Bronco Fan. We'll know when they throat when you as an opposing team throw an incomplete pass. They say the pass from TESTA Verdy for whatever is in Com- plead and you feel it in your bones. It's like a rock concert ringing in your ears. And it was dead quiet in the jets had him and I still have a Wesley Walker Jersey by the way one of my favorite jets of all time. But it's not really about me despite the name of the show it's about you. Eight four four zero four rich being the number two dow. Hey we're GONNA have a quick Chris Brockman news update when we all right. What you have what you have on store. Oh we're going to hear from John Salley. Okay and Rod Thorn about Michael Jordan and the Dream Team and we're GONNA play back some Greg. Cosell about yeah. I know that was a video that went viral yesterday about Greg. Cosell'S EVALUATION OF WHY JORDAN? Love was drafted in Green Bay. Something Brett Farve knows a little bit about. 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Part 1: Paul Mc Gee, Jonathon Maldonado

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1:08:52 hr | 10 months ago

Part 1: Paul Mc Gee, Jonathon Maldonado

"Sirius Xm presents. With Steve and becoming interviews. This will stupid very good Tuesday race fans series to nineteen. Xm To a once night. Sixty four if you're listening to Siriusxm online at our website Steve Dot com as I put on my shoes. Yeah how about Saku? Do you remember that scene all in the family right with Carroll O'Connor and and Bob Ryder about the sock shoe shoe or a sock and shoe and his Haakan Issue. I do I well. This time I just did a sock and issue a soccer show as opposed to sock shoe shoe. That's pretty funny. If you who who remembers it from all the family I? It's been a flurry of activity here. And I think we got really a fun three hours because there's lots of mostly there's lots of the terrific story lines and fun visits because again yesterday is certainly with Paul McGee. Another one of those. You just heard Gary and I I can't was pushing and celebrating that that weekend theme of small to medium size outfits and all the success they had and of course. Yes you had Steve. Asmussen win the the southwest yesterday with silver prospector and will talk about. We'll talk about the comprehensive success. That was meted it out by by nick and Johnny to Johnny got you wells by you underneath at the nine. To One and nick laid out the entire. Pick five if you just listening actually in the last hour if you've if one of these people that listens to the replay leading into the live a two thousand dollar pick five and Knicks essentially knicks. First or second choice one each of the races so it it was a it. Was a bonanza on that front and I know a lot of you got a piece and it. Also silver prospectors win. I thought further fed into the discussion. We had with Peter's on Friday. Just the the template for looking at a race had. He certainly talks about this to the result of one race. And then you know parsing out. The conditions that led to the result and understanding that those same conditions can be entirely different and it really from the SMART. I if you WANNA take two charts and to circumstances and lay them side by side the Smarty Jones and what was happening that day opening day at oaklawn versus what you know a fair a fair racetrack is like and how you can't make a summary. Judgment on the runners. It particularly young three year olds. Who are changing all the time. But you know condemning silver prospector out of the Smarty Jones. And saying that is this. Is this this was A? This was a two year old precocious type. That didn't go forward now now. That's not what happened. Gold Street and NICK ACTUALLY HAD A. I had an exchange about how vulnerable and he said it right yesterday. When we were capping Gold Street was going to be overvalued out of that performance and in the absolutely was and this is the money that he talk that. That's how you get ninety. Two on silver prospector. And and really you couldn't have drawn up any better so Thanks neck and Ed Peters Johnny with the insight on wells by you. That was the only horse. Johnny was interested in the end at nine to one. He made the the exact thing and and was really the key to the really the key to the try and the super with was an answer in and and shoplifted but there There was a lot of great information into into that card yesterday. And also included. I kept mentioning Friday and then again yesterday. Marcus Hirsch Marcus Hirsch that flare up last week from fairgrounds watching warriors charge. I must have set it to three times. That marcus the way. He described Warrior Chores. Charge coming into this race and then he absolutely ran exactly as hinted. We'll talk to Brad Cox tomorrow. Brad is with that. Had been about as emotional day as a conditioner is going to endure from the morning and happy for the Cox Barn that the afternoon results lifted Hopefully lifted the spirits after Tarez very tough day and and I know having exchanged Some notes with with Garrett Rourke in how how anguish they were a judgment Sa- Crazy Day The the horse apparently apparently got loose out the gate somehow at at a judgment got loose out the gate at patient park yesterday as well so Garrett had about is Has Difficult to a morning as you know as a racing operation managers is going to endure and the reaction was exactly as it did yesterday after we got the news on air which was very difficult to say. The least. We'll talk to Brad tomorrow. But meanwhile those two performances warriors charge and silver prospector essentially equal time. There were what I think. Four races at a mile and a sixteenth yesterday at Oakland. So figs were were easy to make and ninety seven buyers silver prospector declaration of war. And then I. Steve Asmussen going forward toward rebel in Arkansas Derby and silver prospector off that Churchill. Experience those that those that were behind him an interest in 'em well you're you're you gotta feel good. That was that was a terrific effort. And you know I know people say oh. We got a dream trip okay. We've a dream trip. I get it yeah. Things might be different in the field of you know with one thousand nine hundred dollars what you can't. The value of that portion of the discussion is. I don't know you know that. That's why there's odds on on the various sources under under that scenario the bring this full circle the first of the stakes the by Coa Paul McGee and Paul's going to join us after the first break looking forward always look forward to visit with Paul. Who maintains you know a a modest stable? He's always got saved. Basically the same number of starters year and handful the only trains as many as he puts his hands on. And Go Google Yourself Samantha. Siegel always happy for Samantha. Who supports the game so enthusiastically and breeds vise and Batson? And just and just loves it. And Game Siegel family has been stalwarts. For a long time and Samantha carrying the banner for parrots and the J. M. s. The J. M. S. brand. You WanNa be in the J. M. S. business Go Google Yourself. Made the the late move and Bryner has time that just beautifully to get up. So we'll talk to the Paul and we'll get some of his thoughts and Sure he's back in New Orleans. Let's see what else is forthcoming for him. This winter good racing good racing all around and we got tons to catch up on as I keep beating the drum for the success this weekend of the modest sized a first stake win for Jonathan Maldonado and that philly that the we had we had mentioned on Friday handicapping. I think with what? When scully was on nasty thoughts? Who the LEHTO and we're GonNA talk to Jonathan. I was very excited. About is obviously about his verse. This they win and we'll find out about him and look forward to that. Jonathan Maldonado this hour later. Kelly rupee if you have not. If you haven't seen the Campbell the Campbell was one of the weekends best races and it I don't think it's gotten the attention. It deserves really really good with monogamy la the two of them essentially pulled a Jaipur Redan hook up as soon as a the gate opened and the two of them go at it shoulder to shoulder. So we'll talk to Kelly catch up with her and in fact. I BELIEVE. Take a look. I think that I think always mining with the one or two yeah Equal to factor this in the fairgrounds. The top top fig of the weekend. So we'll talk to Kelly ruefully John White will be through. We'll get to John and it seems that it seems that the the Frank Mir Ahmadi John White Angle. The public making a horse favored over John's morning. Line favorite that again over the weekend. That scored again and I saw where somebody on twitter said. It happened again. Free money free money easy game so we'll talk to John. Get his impressions of the weekend. See what see what he thought a Charlatan and actually donald curious because as we read on air with with Johnny. The the workout reports did not. They weren't waving flags Tibet Charlatan. So we'll talk to John. Jeremy Plot countdown to the crown will get Jeremy's he's writing up right now actually a lot of the weekend results you see how he fared and what he thought as well plus Some more visits and I got a ton of other things to get to a doctor all day. I was hoping today. He's on vacation. That's why couldn't reach him Late last week or or yesterday I heard from Kim responded He's a at an undisclosed location. I I'm not going to give out any details. But he he was actually out Scuba diving today. So we I I WANNA get the LIMASOL situation but I. My clinician is the wait for for Steve because he he's got a way of explaining these kinds of things really well so we will get to that. Though there was a passing. John Parade is going to join us at the top of our to it. If you weren't familiar with the name Bob Quigley You saw the the news late afternoon yesterday. That Bob at the age of ninety he had taken ill on on Sunday. What they thought was a food poisoning. He goes to Abitur Hospital and died there yesterday. And he's had he's had some health issues but this still came as a bit of a shock. Frankly John. John had dinner with them or or launch a couple of weeks ago. He said John was stunned. Bob Quickly An executive there there probably is not a racing office or racing executive Betcha two thirds of of people in racing offices of any age worked for Bob Quigley whether at the Meadowlands Garden State Park later Tama just wide. We liked and respected. So we'll talk to John. 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Thanks a lot appreciate it. Yeah she really made kind of exciting and where. You're worried that that that Brian had waited too little too long to make that run. Well Brown's very heady under underrated writer. In my opinion I thought he wrote a great race To let to let those horses go by its toll But then you could see turned for home that she had running on her mind. Sure enough she. She ended up going down row. Nellie the favorite but I must confess branded him. You worry three eight hundred later started feeling better about it. So she's she's also we should note and as part of this is to for to. You took her. You took her there last to Oakland to start her four year old season and she one off the layoff and you basically take the same if take the same approach here She was last seen in the fall. City behind Milady Kirwin. And she really starts this season beautifully. It's it's a great jumping off point for her five-year-old campaign yes it is very consistent and how you know while she's to for to she does like this track she Doesn't have to take her track rather tell you when she won her fifth race of her career. She that made her five. Wins at five. Different racetracks you. Born at Keeneland. She'd WanNa Churchill. She'd want it The fairgrounds so she's affiliated trade her. Take her track with her but you have to think she does in fact like like Oaklawn Park. Well She she it comes from a long at this point A fairly long running family that that That the SEGEL's have have produced and Going back a couple of generations. The I ain't bluffing Which was a very nice Very Nice Steak Mayor Pine Bluff Louisiana bread in fact that that the Segel's campaigned and This is I think at least second generation. Then obviously you know as into mischief. I mean she gets more and more valuable to Samantha. Long-term oh yeah and I was. I was ecstatic for Samantha. You know being a homegrown of hers excited for and But yeah she's right. She's bound to write sour. Sure is in diminutives but yes Samantha's I've got a four year old half to go yourself. That runs son Tuesday at the fairgrounds. But you're just really happy for Samantha. To get a graded stakes loon with another home-bred she. She's clearly making steady incremental. Excuse me progress This wasn't a career best figure using buyers a ninety one yesterday and The ninety two that she got it alison the Groupie dollars her career-best but you can see that that as she's matured. She's made steady growth. I mean how much more how much more upside is. Is there because to get her? You know if you're pointing for the apple blossom she's going to have to take it up a notch. Yes for sure but you're pretty to say also better with age But we have always space two races out because the one time we remember back on a tour and a three week lay-off She had learned allowance race at Keeneland. A we we will go back two or three weeks later trying to win a race at Churchill on Oak. Stay with her and she told us she didn't like that so ever since then. We've always faced a racist racist. Been great about that. And that's one reason I think we're just GONNA point for the Apple Blossom and not even consider the very for for that very reason she runwell fresh and that's just the way she likes to do well makes makes good sense and she's obviously comfortable at fairgrounds training there because she she fired. What the three bullets out of a half a dozen works since you brought her back and got her into the actually doesn't even seem like you. Maybe just gave her a couple of weeks after the fall city and then she got back to work right. Yeah we gave her a few weeks off and Are Having has been working there for me down at the fairgrounds. So of course that played in to Rodney Moaner yesterday but he he doesn't Finley will but yeah those. Those bullet breezes at the fairgrounds coming into this race were very impressive. always finished a strong in her breezes. Which of course that's what you like to see. And that's the way she rain. Yesterday was finishing store. You know I say that. And it makes me think to ask given the stretch at fairgrounds. Thirteen hundred and eight feet and then go into a place like oak lawn with a shorter stretch. I mean the fact that she She motors down a long stretch That that's gotta give her in some ways. You know some some kick when when trying to get up to the wire I I. You know that that that's a long stretch to be training on I. I we always think of just the the racetrack when it comes to the afternoons but the configuration is such at fairgrounds. That's a little bit different. the media trainer the trainer from from what poll to to. What poll at fairgrounds? Well I think Brian knows that that her finishing owner feet in breezes and so But it's been amazing. I think her last. You breeze us. She she's been twenty three the last quarter. I mean she's she's really laying down that last part and You know she's going easy to first poet and then finishing Elaine. But y'all I think her training at fairgrounds having brand breezing or all of that paid off yesterday the way she came late like she did but all those got speech. She's a fast Philly She she doesn't she's not crazy horse. Either you know. It's it's beautiful the way she can wait the way she does come from all of it or show speed when she needs it and I guess the last element here in terms of working toward the apple blossom is to get her get her over the Hump for a mile and an eighth. I mean she's only tried. I think she's only tried to twice in the Florida Lee and in the fall city but the mile in the eighth I don't think she's I don't think she's got to win. Going nine for a loss not. The full city was Marlon as second. But I'm thinking Steve. I don't have it in front of you. I'm I'm thinking the Apple Blossoms mylan of sixteen is it. So Am I all right? I I felt so again. I don't put appreciate it third the Oakland series of races. I think they all stay at a mile and a sixteenth of steak. So little little Kooky but I I it may be that memory sixteen. How about that? We'll have to check. Let me say I'm GonNa Look Right now and apple blossom cow mile and a sixteenth under there. So You keep a mile. Sixteen for whatever reason and the person's The purses just keep they keep going up from the five hundred to seven fifty or or or more for the apple blossom. The will she likes him out on sixty distance. I think it's safe to say yes. Then you're in good shape yes she. That's her fourth win in nine tries and she's never been off the board actually going mile and a sixteenth. How about that all right? Well go google yourself and The five year old Mare starts the season with the the great three Baya. Coa Brian Hernandez Junior who's one whether Her last three starts Corey Larry's one whether Joe Rocco's one with her and as Paul points out she she's one key Linden fairgrounds oaklawn. Churchill Alice Right. You're a pretty Nice Pretty Nice faker everywhere Paul. The important question is how much did Mardi make on this that? That's all that matters. Well I'm hoping we laid a lot of money so my guess is he. Is Kim how much he may there are there are there are too many Of of of your of your wins the big ones that Marty hasn't hasn't taken advantage of. I know not not not not. In the least I talk a little bit to Samantha. Obviously you know in a in a situation that West. You've had horses for years but The I talked to were Going back to Breeders Cup Week and Brian Corner with the horses out there and Michelle Nevin in New York Yes you've had. You've had just a steady supply and you keep fashioning winters. No matter what she sends. You well. She's an absolute dream to train horses for because she she always wants to do. And so that makes your buddies but Samantha's you know she's been in the game for forever and she knows the business theory will It's terrible what's going on out there in California. I tell you I really haven't talked. With Samantha a whole lot it. But Gosh it's just depressing to see what's going on out there The math just seems seems imminent so I don't know But racing the way it's thriving in Kentucky is a is a beautiful thing was Kentucky horsemen. Were getting An invasion California guys the guys as well versus in Kentucky but Yeah training for Samantha. Just I. It's a great thing at work. You said it. The it's a study study floor and the trainer is a beautiful thing. Well and you and you know you you probably have had your opportunity to to owners but it just seems like you keep a about the same number ahead. I mean for me as long as I've been veteran races. I I you know what philosophically I mean. What's your what's your approach on that front. We'll just that I'll cut my numbers at about eighteen or twenty for the last Six or eight years. And that's a good number. I feel like it's very manageable number. I've got all the horses under one roof Throughout the year which which I think is very important Years Ago I got up to forty. Something had horses and had had three different division and to me that just gets a little hairy It it doesn't doesn't work well for me as it does. Steve Asmussen those guys but I it's comfortable noling that Samantha Senators two year olds every year. I've had some horses claimed on fairgrounds this year. But that's just fine because Samantha Dot Mike. Keep those lower level Kramer's anyways. It works out. Good we we lose some of the claiming horses and then we bring in new two year olds every year. And that's a great thing. Well go google yourself obviously the the stable star and I mean just to show you how challenging it is. There is the the younger sister. Daddy made me do it right that that? And she she. She keeps nibbling Paul. But what what's it? GonNa take to get over the top be Brad Cox What I felt was a monster in that last race. So she's GonNa get her maiden one of these days. I tell you Stephen is an interesting tidbit. How very different. You know those two. They're out of the same mayor and yet they're very different types Daddy made me do it kind of a tall narrow skinniest kind of philly and go Google Yourself. She has that big core high and in so and they're actually stabled next to each other at the fairground and to look at one and then look at the other never dreamed that they'd rather same there and it's interesting and of course the mayor. Your job parade is going to be with US later. Deputy Minister Sired taunt and daddy made me do it by Temple City and go. Google yourself by into mischief Just kind of the demonstration of how the different sires and and how the the the siren damn the way they knit together and who stays what it's just A. It's one of those one of those mysteries of life of equine of e quite life any well anyway. You got my man. Miguel Maine Aboard I. This is what this is what we wanted to do. Believe Mark Mardi Gras in New Orleans. How about that next? That's right Fat Tuesday a week from today. What how does how does the the FAIRGROUNDS Condition Book Paul? How does it have to adjust to to add to entering that far out? Actually I The question I've gotten used to donate now for years so we we've all just got used to it. But Yeah I was Kentucky guys that are down there or you are in three days out in. Kentucky. Let me shut down to the fairground. And you better be paying attention when they take. It just takes a little bit out of your out of your routine for sure at entering the week out is so from Louisiana Phenomenon Just we've just grown used to that day would be a good good day to win a race faeroes. No doubt and I am looking forward. Oh we always enjoy. We always enjoy watching from afar. Food comes to to Mardi Gras. Let me ask you about a couple of others. pass the plate Pass the plate. Who was was third in in the chantal and showed quality. You know early on Winning that second. Start at Keeneland in yet for this this is for Silverton L. Yes the Hamiltons. The great train wreck system as well. They they buy at auction and they also have home. Breads like pass the plate. She's on the Hamiltons Temple City philly out of a great notion mayor which Hamilton's raced great notions. So it's a true. True home. Brand of the Hamiltons but yeah we're Nice village. She is her win. Team was was awesome and then she wanted to one extra. Churchill grants and just Was Awesome that day as well. We travel in the dirt in the silver bullet day at the fairgrounds and she actually ran a pretty good race. Fifth black the only beaten four lengths and then when we ran in Shantelle Henry Memorial We hooked an absolute monster. Rick stood in Philly. That's now I think she's five for five now coming up with the win on the grass at Del Motor and They made her either one to five or to the other day against the pass the plate and she ran like a one to five so to be heard. I haven't heard it was not about a disgrace. In my opinion about thirty pass the plate. She loomed large turning for home and just Just couldn't run down that heavy favorite. What's next for her? You don't work nominating her to a to the Bourbon net turf way which would be on the Pali. Ch- fairgrounds has more sixty grand. Or but I I don't know if that or not but I'd say late fairgrounds or Late Turf Way Omar. Possibly maybe even waiting on chemo weather. Excellent excellent pass the plate. And I'm just looking down at Some late last year is December seven. retired now he's GonNa pop back up at Probably keenum that's a that's a classy for Samantha. And Yeah you you'll see him Kenyans Dave. Now that's good. I mean he he was a stay course and Four wins twenty starts but Certainly one of those one of those kinds of geldings that you can try it out on a regular basis Nice I'm glad. Glad to see conditions and he's been struggling in the races. Just he's basically been running against all the stake sources at criminal trials. You know things come up tough. Goes eight climbers. The water gets really deepened. And he's just hadn't been competitive with them lately. Running at the keeneland Churchill the spring. I think he's going to be a very laugh horse again and let me ask you one more dominate. That was second in the inaugural and The mayor getting. She's she's gotTa be five. Six years old disappointed us a little bit and her stakes races at fairgrounds five and a half turf but yes she excelled on the Pali th that was our first time holly track in the race tough way and she got me heavy favourite also. That was the one to five shot that either. A feeling that's made a million dollars now But dominates very solid solid league and Were likely to run in two other. She's still two hundred and we're going to run her late. Seven and a two other than optics. You'll be tough to be. Well Paul. It always pleased when C- You have the kind of success. You had Yesterday of exciting way to start the stakes action at OAKLAWN. Go Google yourself that alert now. Just The you know handled Handled cleverly and point toward the apple blossom and we'll see you there that We'll see you there for the apple blossom at Oakland Derby Week like Ron Paul Magee. Everybody and The undoubtedly the more talented at better looking McGee brother. It's easy although although as was pointed out by our friend Nick Tamra. Oh Marty Marty did get the better hair yes. I'll give him that show. I love it Paul. Well done congratulations. We'll talk so sounds good. Thanks for having not. At all Paul Magee everybody at Samantha. Segel's go google yourself this intimacy if mayor that is building a hell of a resume and you know with all the night sources that that Paul's trait and and he's had as we kind of eluded to he's had good horses for years and years and it doesn't need you know as he explained doesn't need to have multiple streaks. It seems like he's always got at least one and she is She's got to be moving up the ladder with him because I think she's up to. What is she up to an earnings go? Google yourself after another hundred and so she's got six hundred almost six hundred and fifty thousand in earnings In in her career and decorous Paul's Paul's best ever was the wonderful bet on sunshine. The great sprinter that was third in two different breeders. Cup sprints both at Churchill. That's his all time biggest winner in in dollars and so here we go go. Go Go yourself. Sixth sixth for Mardi for Mardi for Paul In among his winning his stores has been on China million and a half swath great suave one point three million honor and war one point one million Woodford Reserve Winter Majestic harbor. The marcation ago Google yourself there it is. Let's break Jonathan Maldonado. He got his first snake win on Saturday races with Steve on Sirius. Xm radio develop by horsemen bills. 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Probably ten years from Puerto Rico and worked for some terrific horsemen and Has been out on his own. That's got to be. I don't know four or five years at least and the win by naughty thoughts in the wide country Kind of a breakthrough a Toledo aboard and Jonathan joins US Jonathan. Congratulations thank you. I could tell I could tell through through the magic of twitter that you you were really excited to get this kind of a of a win and there's a nice horse absolutely When you when you have these kinda horses resolve privilege to have you know and And she's a special fairly she's just she's really spectrum. She one off by A widening lancs and tomato. I mean just you could tell that he was loaded the whole the whole way and and just drew after this win and she had she had been third in a couple of She was I. Think of the Maryland million in the fall and she was third in the gym talking. Got You know what what put her over the top on Saturday. Well Gee was killed straining really awesome In the mornings We work we work at twice Both both of the workers was half mile. Forty eight freely freely on hand and the last one was. I gave an to lure. Galvao a stall and she. She did a really good Galloping how we impressed me and tells me that she was ready to roll tremendous tremendous and this one. I mean this was really a big performance. Jumps up to a career-best buyer eighty one in here. This was a Philly that you and Rafael Lopez claimed for twenty five thousand dollars. Take us back to November. Had been kind of watching this Philly and what? Why did you guys drop on her? We want to. I would want to claim she put it for sixteen And I go my Klein. He's got kind of BC person. He saw surging orthopedist import Riga one of the best In in my country and when I call him he was doing surgery so by the time that he went out the really was written by the way was ready when when he come out so when they put her back for twenty five We we decided to drop on her and I was surprised. I was the only one because I thought I was GONNA chat with a few people But the reason that we like to air is because if you see as the first the first thing they running hurt a lot in you know for two years old and He always was begin. Know One-two-three One-two-three show with the money and that Kinda hard as the one that I you know that I look to claim that it. It doesn't matter where they voted. She Gio with what's there and the Glamour and so far she's been great for us And fashioning or into I multiple stakes placed philly and Now a stake winner and being Maryland Bred. You get you know all the all the opportunities that that come along with with the state breads and you know your your base that Laurel AAH talk a little bit about leaving Puerto Rico because you had a big stable at Kamara Yes When I decided to to move to Tomorrowland to United States I was trained in a bunch of horses for a a group class. But the Mani Wilson gooding often for regal anymore so I was John and and and I go my brother which live here in Maryland. My brother eye oldest brother and I asked him WanNa I wanna go to Tomorrowland To start training data but my plan was star with somebody like as an assistant start from the bottom because I will learn. I want to learn the system here. It was a little bit different than than Perico. So client from Dominican Republic Samya hearts and I and I started training. Warhorse in boot Louis when I was when when it was opened and prone there Human banks start to bring horror for his own after school lane laugh and he hired me system trainer developer start to doing good and then for me on the job of assistant three in her and I trained and I and I I was Wareham for two years and we win two years in a row. They'll meet here in Maryland A top trainer sheriff years and From that point on you know you know back and forth with a few horses training but also I I was some for reliever three games and mice feed him and now I'm three and four on and you know I've been clement. You know really good. Horses keep forces that game improved them like Ray Souprayen. I can watch them I think clock Mon- plumbing deep-rooted good for me And now decline Gave me the opportunity to train his horses and we claimed his fairly. And so far. You know thank God you know. We've enjoyed pretty good. That's for sure I a couple of questions about about the family and about how you got into the game was your brother. Was your older brother here. Was He involved in Sport and does your family? Do you have a family background in horses Not at all my only the the my oldest girl he likes horses and Mike and Perico. My grandmother used to do battle horses and stopped but nothing like working directly with the horses But my I got another brother. His name's Joel Maldonado That he's my assistant trainer. Here in Maryland He started working in the horses in Perico groom. He's older than me and I did interesting. I was going with him to the bar and That's that's when I get the feeling that I I like this. I wanted. I wanted to something. Why would they start to train horses in Berea when I was seventeen years old? Oh and then when I moved here to the United States I'd Ra- my brother with me and seems down. We're being here together But you know other than that. We don't have like a background from family that he's been working out of the race. All my my my Bra Emmy that's tremendous It's great and of course You know things things in Puerto Rico. Still trying to recover from the hurricane and and the racetrack Just the awful situation The people that you left back and Family House. Everybody Fared Jonathan so far you know after the year again I I flew to Puerto Rico because I got a daughter which she's eighteen years old at and boy that he's nine years old and I got my. My father is still there And I went there. But so far you know they. These are good It was it was really tough when I after the Huracan. Because you know if something that you don't that you can see in bdo same stuff that what is happening but it's another thing when you're there and you see the real thing so far you know then we're good now. We got there the no problem with Earthquakes and stuff so far you know go remains is trying to help everybody so far you know you feel month. We we. We said again. Now the other part of of this with the kinds of horses that you must have trained in Puerto Rico the opportunity to pick out horses with potential in this case picking two year old and claiming them for twenty five thousand. And then you know kind of getting a chance to work. You know work with with a young horse. You're obviously proving. I mean if people give you good stock You can you can do well with them absolutely you know. I don't like I said I'm not that kind of person to goal honor since draft for horses and the like that But I start three horses when I was seventeen. And and my first and he wasn't like fire or six or seven of forty horses. Proably lost twenty twenty something of them. They were babies. So I know the far you know working with babies and the claiming game so I've been on both sides but you know it is what it is I just I got on however dinning rolling and eventually if it happens in. Somebody gave me the opportunity. You know believe me I will. I will go war heart to two houses sad but His gang stopping Maryland is no easy to win. You know you gotta run really good trainers in here And grew horses than any stuff to wing here. But if you have the the the the horses you can win races well this is. This is a philly that feels like you know. She has got upside yet. And another part of this. We should bring up naughty thoughts by the factor and out of the indie mayor sweet thoughts. This philly should should keep stretching out now to tell you that through our love to see her going on to turns minus Sixteen Miles Inc. I WanNa get just gone one. My flat But I think the loan the funny thing about this really. She can go any of these things. So far. You know chicken go short or long. I WANNA the're going through turns because I think she'll be better now she she was absolutely terrific On Saturday winning the wide country and obviously tomato. You you get along well with heavy on He's a really great jockey He lives ask. You know he's really smart. You know you don't have to be a lot of instructions to hang. He knows the failing and man it was. It was shot. Excellent thought of the He he he's a great man. I was I was really happy. THE WAY. Reuter and I was I was glad that that that he made the move when he was to make them move. So I gotta give him credit because jv enemies are really really good jogging now and clearly You're getting the horses. Ready Yeah Forum. Jonathan congratulations best. Wishes for continued success? And clearly. You you've already shown over the last few years That you you can win and you can pick out a horse and patch them up if that's what's necessary or build them up In the case of this three year old filly. It looks like there's great upside. Thanks so much for the visit. Thank you and thank you for having me not at all Jonathan Maldonado who you can follow on twitter and Clearly there's there's something happened in here and this Philly you know who had look. I said that on Friday and She paid paid nice paid. Eighteen twenty first stake win for Jonathan Maldonado. Well done we'll take a break. Top of the hour is here and going to check in with John. Pirata we told you in the opening that Bob quickly passed at ninety. And you say to yourself well ninety except that this kind of came as a as a surprise and although Bob had had some kind of had some complications a couple of years ago I had not seen him. I did not see him last winter but I saw him several winters in a row Bill Hirsch and Mary Ryan have those wonderful dinner parties and and restaurant gatherings and have them for years five or four or five of them a winter and it was always A treat and I I can remember sitting vice time. I saw was sitting next to him. In fact at At Cafe Talia the one in in Boca. And it's just a fascinating guy to talk to. You know you done so much. It basically built the meadowlands for sunny warbler. Who tapped him? He had been running admittedly at Atlantic City and then when garden state was rebuilt. Bob Brennan tabbed him to start garden. State I mean he's just was amazing guy and influenced a lot of people's careers in the game. John Parole joins US next to talk about. Bob QUICKLY APPLE WITH STEVE VIC on Sirius. Xm radio what's going on. Mike and I'm going to tell you about an offer for my good friends at express bet. Let's be honest. 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S3 E9: The Descent

Monster: DC Sniper

50:05 min | 10 months ago

S3 E9: The Descent

"Welcome to monster. Dc sniper a production of iheartradio AND TENDER FOR TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast or solely those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast and do not represent those of iheartmedia tender foot. Tv or their employees listener discretion is advised December. Two thousand the island of Antigua. Fifteen year. Old Boy malvolio alone in bed in a dark shack he shivered. Sick with rheumatic fever. He needed medicine but did not get it. He was all alone in a foreign country with no family and few friends. There was a knock at the door. A man came in. It was John. Muhammad the American the man who had smuggled leased mother into the United States. John had just come by to check on the boy who we knew was living alone but when he saw Lee's dire state John brought him to the doctor. Li Got an antibiotic shot and John Stayed with him while he recovered Mohammed East entire time nursing dental and I told him my entire life store. My parents. My situation fly bounced around. What has self. I told him everything. I left nothing out because I trusted this. She gave me his time. It's that simple fuse. One of the only People Lucent. Eileen and him. I trusted him. I didn't have my mom I I didn't trust anyone else but I trusted him before. Long Lee asked John if he could live with him. John agreed and Li moved in with him and his children. He was so desperate to have a father figure. My Name is Dr Jonathan Harold. Mac I am a clinical neuropsychologist very quickly. Now Start Calling Muhammed Dat. You said everything that you've been taught from your religion your morals your education. You basically have been brainwashed and he explained to me a mixture of he's worldview and the nation Islam. He told a lot of things. But it certainly wasn't. You know standard collision. See what had him listened to tapes even when he was falling asleep speeches and all sorts of stuff thousands of hours over and over again giving him subliminal suggestions that there was essentially a war going on between blacks and whites. There is a ruthless person on the loose. What unnerved this community. The mouth is the randomness of the murders. Ordinary people doing ordinary pink. They kill the five people in one day and then went on the rampage for the next month. It is quite a mystery. The police say they have never had a crime. Quite like this be careful. These guys are using weapons that are going to go right straight through our bulletproof vests. I would remind heart radio and tinder foot. Tv This is monster DC sniper. Very quickly when I met Mohamed. I assume they didn't everything about him. At the beginning of two thousand one after Lee had moved in with John in Antiga friends and teachers remember seeing Lee Change. His good grades began to slip. He started bringing a Koran to his Christian high school and arguing with other students about religion and Lee also started talking a lot about guns. I just came from under. Somebody needs to join bouncing around from home the home the place and I became what I call a changing. Whoever I'm around wherever the authority as I changed the subject for the attachment to a mother or father is really core to developing a stable mentally healthy adult. Dr Jonathan Mac is a neuropsychologist and Co author of the book. The making of Lee Boyd Malveaux Mac steady Lee's life extensively. He thinks lease readiness to trust. John was due to an attachment disorder a disorder and how kids connect with adults. I felt that Malveaux met the criteria for this inhibited. Social engagement disorder with disinherited social engagement disorder. Kids are so desperate for caregiver that they are overly trusting of strangers. They will latch onto any authority figure. They can ignoring signs that the adult might not have their best interest at heart. If you look at now those history his father in the first years of his life was in his life out of his life his mother was also in and out and had a habit of shipping him off and just as soon as he was developing an attachment to the new people he was moved somewhere else so the fact that now though had so many broken attachments from so many of the people that he lives with he had this social disengagement disorder and was basically ready to attach onto anyone. I went to him because like focus. Loan in this world I a simulated everything about him from his mannerisms religion. I lost my accent. I just became some wonder one he gained my trust. Alvaraz cost throughout early. Two thousand one. John continued to forged documents and helped smuggle people into the United States on April fourteenth. John was detained at Miami International Airport. He'd flown therefrom antiga alongside to Jamaican women. The women were caught presenting forged documents to customs agents and the agents suspected John was helping. The two women entered the United States illegally. They couldn't prove it so they had to release Jalen but they contacted Antiguan authorities and related their suspicions. Lee says the John called him in a panic. John told Lee to hide the kids and the cash that he kept in. The House. Lee took the children to John's girlfriend's place but when he went back to get the money it had already been seized by Antiga authorities lease. Has John Lost at least one hundred sixty thousand dollars because of the raid? John Feared? He would be arrested if he returned to Antiga so he decided to lay low in the US. John Instructed Lee who was just sixteen years old himself to watch over his kids. John also asked to lead to help out with the business by delivering fake birth certificates to clients. Lee dropped out of school to help John. Then travelled back to Washington State and on April twenty third. He legally changed his name from John Williams to John. Muhammad perhaps to try to avoid raising any red flags when he returned to Antiguan K. Mr Williams seemed to have your name change. What is your current legal? Names curly. Legally they can't and what is the new name by which wished to be known for our mom? And why do you desire to be known by me for our religion? You Change your new name for any other reason number are you changing your to defraud. Or misleading personnel creditor. I involved in any legal proceeding under this name. Change and have you ever been convicted of a felony? Are you under supervision of any Probation Department? That requires you to report. A change of address Huck Lehem Brittany while in Washington state. John also visited Earl. Done say I met John what I used to work for Horizon Airlines. I was actually interested in a printer I saw at a store. This printing was Alps. Md Five thousand printer had a big reputation during early nineties making counterfeit money views film as Inc so it was really expensive printers and this co worker. Mind you friend. So I've met John that way. John was really flash. You had nice suits come different cars. All Time Jaguar. Diamante he said I can print for. You can help me out. You know if I can authors documents for hobby. I do graphic design. Okay Sergey Fair so John got it from. I don't know how he got it. He asked me to stand birth certificate with his name on it and he asked me if I could race to me. That was so I use a simple programming computer to erase to name. It hasn't got type another name. Make sure so you WANNA be type. I'm guessing that have been leaked this. I realized that you actually evolve smuggling people across the border. He was charging thousand bucks. Eight new more on May twentieth two thousand one. John traveled back to Antigua with his new name and altered documents in hand. When John returned to the island the government had already seized over one hundred and sixty thousand dollars but John did not scold Lee. This is criminologist and Co author. Leroy Malveaux Autobiography Anthony. Mioli when he got back John pulled him type hugged him and said great job son and it was that very moment that really solidifies. Their relationship Lee said from that moment on I was willing to do anything for that man a week and a half later on. May thirty first. John returned to the United States with his three children and Lee Boyd Malveaux. They traveled through Puerto. Rico to Fort Myers Florida or lease mother was living and working at a red lobster. Restaurant Lee says that John was planning on setting up a counterfeiting operation with friends from the Caribbean John. One lead to watch over the kids while he traveled to get the equipment they needed to print fake currency according to lease diary. John asked Lee's mother if the boy could continue staying with him but she was having none of it thought John was a bad influence on her son. Lee Remembers his mother saying he is my child. Would I eat? He eats if he cannot be satisfied with that that greed will kill him. She then looked at me and said you met this man no more than six months ago and you've completely forgotten where you come from. Reluctantly John Left Lee with ONA and disappeared again with his kids. Let's say you're shopping online with your smartphone. It sure feels like your personal info is right there in your hand but that's not always the case because as soon as you hit submit your personal info could start going other places in fact whenever you shop bank or Browse online your personal info can get out of your control which can leave you. Vulnerable to cybercriminals more threats demand more protection. That's why Norton and lifelock are now part of one company Norton. 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She divorced John in his absence and legally gained full custody of children. The problem was no one knew where they were. So she also filed a writ of Habeas Corpus which meant that anywhere they found by children they needed to pick them up and bring them back to me. So I had all of my paperwork notarized and my sister cars and says Momma sick can you come to Maryland? I have not much children but I can wait over there. Mildred moved to the town of Clinton in Prince George's County Maryland. Three more months passed without any sign of the children it was now August two thousand one and the shelter were mildred. Had been staying got a call. Her friend Ice Nichols was volunteering. There when it happened we get a call and it is the Department of Social Health Services in Bellingham Washington. They're calling following an application for support that John had completed with his three kids. What John didn't know the three kids already in system John Muhammad had returned to Washington state his children and tried to register them for welfare but authorities suspected him of committing welfare fraud so they looked up the children's previously listed contact information and tried calling mildred at the shelter. I get a call from the executive director of the shell toes in and she say Milli. I think we found your children. You need to fax all of your paperwork to detective McCarthy so I did that followed up with a phone call and said Did you get my paperwork? She say? Yes ma'am I did but Miss Muhammad. Do you know where we are as a year in Bellingham Washington. He said correct. But we're on the border of Canada. If he gets across the border with your children there will be nothing we can do. I said I appreciate that information but if you could just go get my children. I would appreciate that August thirty first. Four thirty five PM. He called me said Muhammad. We got your children. I screamed and my brother-in-law came downstairs. What's going on? I say they found my children. Can you please talk to him? I'm running up and down the stairs outside in and you say what you want to talk to. I hadn't heard their voices in eighteen months so the first person I talked to his Toledo she says hi mommy I said hey honey how you doing. I'm good you WANNA talk to my sister the CBS. They'd be talked to assist to the high. Mommy I say. Hey honey she say guess what. Say what honey. Come nine years ago and you miss two birthdays a SIP. Ooh I'm sorry I'll make it up to you. Promise TO SELL K. Mommy but John doesn't want to talk to you because he's angry. I said okay. That's fine. So detective McCarthy gets back on a phone any same as Muhammad. We need for you to come back to Tacoma for an emergency custody hearing milk it flies out the next day and she calls me up the next morning and she says we will you go with me to the courthouse and I see it. Sure didn't think anything about it. You know eighteen months of combat. See the kids. I so went with me to court and we're standing in the hallway and say Oh my God there's John. Milton looks at John. John Stares at Mildred. Mildred starts running and screaming. She's just scared. She hasn't seen John in eighteen months. The sheriff's department is in the courthouse and they come out and they get her and they put in a room somewhere until the court case so we walk in a courtroom and as soon as I get into door I see John on the back road to the right side and I froze and just remember filling that I was so scared but he was just sitting there too nonchalant and I say millages breathe breathe. What do you mean just breathe? Do you know how fast is making more to say military? Just have the breed so when common her down she's holding my hand or sitting by her attorney they're going over the paperwork in the judge hits the Gavel Morning TV to this is interested in marriage. Mildred in East Williams Jon Allen Williams Heather Smith on behalf of the petitioner. This is no Williams She's present in the court will birdies in the four begins or raise your right hand. Man People saw him as we're for any testimony you're about to provide the way the truth the whole nothing but the truth. So what is your name Semi Legal Name John Allen Muhammad and then what is your day. They said that we needed to use. The name married hundred. That's why underway council. I believe Return Arabia's Corpus. I do have a red commissioner dickey issued it back in June of two thousand was the first contact with these children's says that Yes it is. You're on the divorce decree and attention. Plans were entered in October of two thousand. After the read the final pairing plan gives custody the children mother over each other's smoking the concern. I have right now is I. Don't know who's got these children where they're at in speaking with deputy right this morning. All they would need an order releasing the children in protective custody to the mother's custody. Sir You let's say you on. Can you please tell me what's going on? There is a parenting plan was entered by the court on October. Six two thousand where there was an order. Default taken against you because you did not respond to divorce. Someone's it was published against you as part of that mother obtained on her own without the help of an attorney riddick eighties corpus which allows her to have the physical possession of the children so to choose some missing. The whereabouts are known. My that's why they apparently issued the writ you never responded to the publish summons for divorce. So are you telling me the reason why I don't have my children and won't be too much? Don't have the Pickwick in no I'm saying that you've been divorced. The court has entered orders in mother had sole residential placement. Care custody of the children. And then you've got and at present without for the I I. I'm not able to see much by virtue of the private or not. Today's Court order. So you believe that. The allegations are not valid. You should bring that work stanchion right if you do not have copies of the court orders. I guess Sir you ask for copies of those documents or you can look at them. John Finds all that information out on the courtroom that day that he is divorced with Melchett and she has sole custody of the Children. He was so angry he flipped. It was that look that I will never forget John. Leaves the court ruled we come out? Were standing against the wall and all of a sudden. I fill the presence and I turn and it's John. I take off down a hallway. My shoes go everywhere. Milton takes off. Sprinting down the quarter. I look up and John. Passes by meet heading towards mildred? He was just so focus he just had this dead stare. He was so angry. Look back John puts his hand on courtroom door. Looks at me and says catch turned around any walked back the other direction and I was just up against the wall hoping he would see me. My Attorney said Oh hell no we gotta get Outta here. I'm scared I'm letting my daughter no lock the doors. Don't ask anybody comes to the door because I figured he would probably come. They're looking so we the stairs to go down to the police station and we explain to them what happened and can we please go out of their back door. This say no. We'd go out the front door just like everybody else. This episode is brought to you by best scenes. Best fiends is a puzzle game that you can play right on your phone solving challenging puzzles. That actually engage your brain but it's a casual game that anyone can play and it's really fun. The great thing about it is that it doesn't take much of your time put. It fills up those moments when you wish you had something do aside from scrolling through social media over and over again for example the other day. 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She loved children. We did not see that. Come yes you did when I hear people say oh. I didn't see that yes you did. Victims always give signs. They always tell some body so we walk out at the court. I could try angle where everybody's watching each other's back get to the car. I slouched down in the car so no one could see that. Allison the car. We go over to the Department of Health and human resources. Because that's where my children were and the first person I see my son he's tall. He's skinny he trying to wear Afro but it's an adult you know. Walk up to a many got his pants on his butt saying. Gee wiz and I should have said honey. I'm so glad to see you but I'm pulling up his pants and is this GonNa be issue and he starts laughing and then I hear my daughter's they're coming down and I'm just so overwhelming crying by my as I can't see you and Selena said Mommy says honey. Daddy said he was looking for you but he couldn't find you. I say really. How is trying to find you? But he changed your names so you were looking for us. Go absolutely mommy. I just WanNa let you know that God answered my prayer because I was pregnant prayed and prayed for him to send you back to me and you finally hear essay honey. No one will ever take you away from me again. Okay so we get in the car and we drive over. The airport. Security picked us up from the car brought us to their security office. Once the pilot was ready to go security took us to the plane we landed. Bwi September fifth. Two thousand one. Chew speak to Jon Again. Now why would i? Why WOULD I? Did he ever try to reach out to you? He didn't know where I was. I was in hiding so the last thing you remember hearing from John was Gotcha. Yes one story is that John is just a psychotic killer. I guess that's plausible. But the other story is that he melted down under the pressure of not being ever able to either see his kids or even get into court to talk about seeing his kids. This is Jay Mills. A divorce attorney. Who took on John's case at the court hearing the kids were turned over to mildred. The judge did that on a temporary basis. Told John Mahama they should come back and Set up a hearing to discuss the kids further and so it was. It was after that hearing where he lost the kids that he came to see me. Mills didn't know much about John's background. He thought John was just going through a rough divorce. Mills actually felt sorry for John so he took on the case pro bono. He was a pretty normal routine sort of person fairly focused. He wasn't very happy about how things that turned out in court but understood what had gone on the judge wasn't permanently depriving him of contact with kids. The judge wanted him to set up a hearing to discuss. What sort of a parenting plan would be appropriate? And that's very routine. I did set up hearing which would require military to show up in court and then talk about kids by. We never had a court hearing because we can never find mildred mildred. Vanished with the kids. After I had set up a couple of hearings without being able to serve noted with papers I went to him and said look. Let's find mildred. Because I can set up hearings all day but what difference does it make if we can ever locate mildred? And so he set off to do that. I have given this story to other people and sometimes the the blowback is that I am trying to justify what John did or that. I don't think he's a bad guy. I mean clearly. The guy is a bad person with very very severe problems. I wouldn't try to justify that but there's more to this story. These preliminary decisions get made and people freak out about him because you're dealing with people's real personal lives and their intimate relationships with kids people who go through the process get really disturbed by that. I've been involved in a number of cases where the end result shootings. Tacoma was fairly famous for an incident. Where the chief of police shot is soon to be ex wife and killed her out the chief of police right so that guy must have had some degree of normal personality but then he lost it any melted down and it's not uncommon for these things to result in a lot of violence. One way to hopefully avoid that. It's possible is to have people air their grievances in court win or lose. They've at least been able to tell their story now. I'm not saying that that should require mildred to come stand with John by her side. By John. Muhammad's out there wandering. There was some process that could have played out where everybody could have had their day in court and he never did so I get. I tried to make clear that I I think what he did was horrific. I think it's It's just evil stuff but the kind of background story to it. That should be here. It is that I think there are ways that the system failed to defuse that kind of problem and instead it just sort of threw gasoline on a fire if we do not address the systemic failures that occurred in this case. I worry that there are other. People like that wandering. The streets and people are going to die if this problem is addressed in a better way just a week after John Lewis. The kids tragedy struck apparently up slain has just crashed into the World Trade Center here in New York City. It happened just a few moments ago had been meeting with John in my office. When the World Trade Center was burning to the ground he had no interest in any of the politics. He wanted to see his kid. John would later say that. Losing his kids was his own personal. Nine eleven it was surely a low point in his life. He lost his money in the rate and Antiga. He was living in a homeless shelter and now he'd lost his children. John's friend Robert Holmes the same friend who reported John to the FBI says John was devastated. Homes told Vanity Fair in two thousand four quote. I think that after his kids got taken away. John had a nervous breakdown. I'm not a professor or a doctor. John changed a million subtle ways. He'd spend all day some days just crying. All he could think of was getting his kids back. Back in. Fort Myers Florida Lee Boyd. Malvo was also struggling. He was trying to adjust to yet another new living situation. Lee had enrolled as a junior at Cypress Lake High School. He was getting good grades in His classes but he was struggling to navigate. The American system Lee wanted to go to college and one day. Become an airline pilot. But he didn't have a necessary documentation to sign up for the SAT's so we turn to John for help. Who thought that John had been a bad influence on her son and forbiddingly from talking to him but on weeknights. While worked at Red Lobster John would secretly call able to distinguish between Muhammad father and I had wanted and Mohammed Americans work. That will just fall into these. John told Lee get him into college but John wanted something in return and he needed to join him. In Washington John. Wildly money for Greyhound. Lee says that some time late in two thousand one after his mother fell asleep he packed up his clothes a tennis racket. And a portable. Cd Player. He snuck out of the house at four thirty. Am and got on a bus headed. Northwest Lee arrived in Bellingham Washington. A week later when I first in Bellingham. He told me that he's searching for the children. You said in order to get the children we're GONNA have to be whatever it takes. I looked at him as my family and my siblings. So I'm like okay. We're GONNA do whatever it takes. I understand abetment. Every time I really did in Bellingham. John introduced to everyone as his son. Lee stayed with John at the homeless shelter and soon enrolled at Bellingham high school but one school was out for the day. Lee Says John was in charge of his education controlled. What I read what I did when I asked. I slept in every single aspect from Diet. But he's my activities every single African facet of my life and he didn't give me a time to rest he on the spirit. Exactly how to motivate need by giving approval or approval and he wasn't violent at all it was immediately to a woman that the best description I can all. Sometimes they'd leave the homeless shelter and Bellingham and stayed with John's friends in Tacoma. One friend they would often visit was earl Dante fringe. You heard from earlier. Who Photoshop to birth certificate for. John John Dress as much more He wasn't lashing more. He had come round with white truck. One time we talked to my door and leave with. Hey Earl this my son week. How you doing Trumpian next year? After Awhile Dante's Lisa's they would play video games and watch movies. They'd watch some movies over and over one. Favourite was the matrix. Another was Carlos. Half Cock marine sniper. It was a sort of instructional video with advice for snipers. Continue your training. You cannot do it too much. You cannot do it too much so do it. As much as you can put all your mind and body into train train train and John. Earle began giving Lee shooting lessons as well. He had a friend he said. Net to go to the range and just turned. Teach me how to shoot. It's amazing how quickly I will take on extinct started. She can go off the leaker because I had to work. He is a gun to the range. It's okay I had a six hundred forty five. I had a Smith and Wesson forty four caliber headache at eight forty seven winchester to seventy and I had a remington seven hundred model relates and back in Florida lease mom owner. James had been searching for Lee since he'd left Buna page through her caller. Id and found a strange number. It was for a homeless shelter in Washington state and she had a feeling that Lee might be staying there with John so for weeks she called the number but could never get through to either of them in an interview with Vanity Fair Luna said that she kept calling and one day finally. She heard John's voice on the other end. She demanded that Johnson Lee back to her in Florida. She Remembers John. Saying I have a job to do. And I can't rely on some coke had to do it terrified of what that meant ooh got on a Greyhound bus and headed for Washington state. When ONA arrived she confronted John at the homeless shelter. And someone called the cops when the cops arrive. They reunited Leigh Anne but the COP suspected they were both undocumented immigrants and reported them to border patrol. They were arrested and fingerprinted. These were the fingerprints and arrest report. That would later supply authorities with the names Lee Boyd Malvo and Jon following the arrest Luna and Lee were separated and detained then on January. Twenty third both were released into an INS safe house to await a deportation hearing in an interview with vanity. Fair Buna said that Lee told her mom. We are being followed. If I don't go they'll kill you two days later. Lee climbed out of a bathroom window and ran off. Lee Ran back to John now. Lease grooming began in earnest lease. Says he and John would go shooting for hours a day talk meeting through the process. He explained to me all the things like hated about myself. And why does has deny Lee Boyd? Malvo says John told him to visualize his own face onto the targets to imagine that with each shot he was destroying his own weakness. He had these and over and over and over. He told me the old person has to die. Poudel has tonight because email. Vo- CANNOT LEASE says they would go to nearby woods and pretend they were hunting each other with sniper rifles to practice stealth and camouflage techniques. Lease says that on one of those outings when it was snowing. John stripped off Lee shirt and chained him to a tree. John left him there for hours and told him it was an exercise to mentally hardened him it's like a woman in the relationship someone looking from the outside said Mandel multiple opportunities. Why couldn't she lashing stayed for twenty years? If not that simple. The body's just a test one someone has any emotionally. They have your mind Libo Malveaux. Training was almost over soon. John will give him his first real mission. Not Too far away in Tacoma. I said Nichols had been keeping in touch with mildred Muhammad having different conversations. Probably maybe wants twice a month as she begins to reestablish her life after eighteen months without her children. I was glad all the drama with John. Seemed to be over and that the kids were back with their mom. My life was so intertwined with her in terms of her children and keeping her alive and keeping her safe. Now I'm faced with where I left off in my life. I had her own struggles at home. Her NIECE KENYA. Cook had just gotten out of an abusive relationship before they had fought but they had a baby. Now now. She's scared for the baby and she's decided to leave and I said yes. I'll take her home. She can come with me so now I have her murder three month old child my teenage daughter. Who's now fourteen and my husband and it's working. I'm very proud of her. She's Enrolling in school. She had gotten a job got up to a supervisory position and the baby's thriving kin you saving money. She was helping me around the house. We go shopping together and different things of that nature and one day February. Sixteen two thousand two. We went grocery shopping in. I was GonNa make some chicken Tacos that I do pretty good and we forgot the TACO shells and so I was going back to the store a token you to watch the food in the pot. 'cause I was boiling the chicken. And she said Okay Auntie and I left them a fourteen year old. Who was asleep over decided? She didn't WanNa stay so she called me and asked me to come pick her up an idea and then we went to the store. We were gone about an hour hour and a half and I pull in our driveway. Remote control wasn't working so I sent my daughter into the house to open the garage door. And I'm waiting. Garage door doesn't open. My daughter finally comes back to the car and she's standing there and it's starting to rain and I said. Hey what are you doing? My daughter has the look of trauma on her face. I said maybe what is it. What's wrong she said. Mommy Kenyans lying on the floor and the house is all smokey so I go to the house and just says she said. My niece was lying on the floor. In the doorway and house was covered with smoke the pot in its contents had disintegrated and melted. And so somehow by the grace of God I was able to get. That stove turned off all that heat. My daughter standing in the doorway just staring are called nine one one. I ran upstairs to check on the baby because I'm thinking that they had succumbed to smoke inhalation and so I ran upstairs and the baby was on the edge of the bed. All around her was the diaper ninety. Warm bottle was still there in. I didn't know if the baby was alive or not. I didn't know if the baby was breathing in so I touched they gently and she jumps up and she's screaming where she left off so I grabbed the baby. Thi- bird took the baby downstairs and handed the baby to my daughter told her to go to the neighbors and Went Back to Kenya. God overcame his body and I saw little and a little old interface. I stayed there. I had already called nine one one and I can hear the ambulance background. They're on their way. I'm talking to Kenya hanging there and I'm praying and I'm telling ELP is coming and the ambulance get there and I'm sitting going to step. And they come into the House and they get her body in a pool earn from before you into the living room where they start working on her trying to reviver may finally say she's gone and I just put in dismay. I couldn't process what they meant by saying she's gone and I saw where King's head have made the bull case. It was still dare. I just saw blood the back of her head. That just been blown out. I just went into a cold state. I was just on autopilot. I was just following commands. A according to Lee's autobiography that very same night John Muhammed gave Lee. His first test is okay. This is what I need to do. I want you to go there. I want to talk to this. Lee Says John. Drove him to a house ranting about politics and wars necessary sacrifices. John dropped leaof and told him he'd be watching. Lee was wearing a dark hoodie and he was holding a brown paper bag. He tried to calm himself as he walked up to the house he knocked on the door and after a short delay it opened. A young woman greeted him. He said good evening is Mrs Nichols in. He remembered that she seemed lonely and eager to talk. She gave him a long answer explaining that I wasn't home. John had prepared for this possibility. I have a message for Harley said. He reached into the Brown paper bag and pulled out a forty five caliber pistol one. They borrowed from Earl Dante. John had told lead to visualize his own face on top of hers just like him a training. Here's what Lee wrote about that moment in his autobiography read by a voice actor a voice deep inside me said don't don't don't I thought Lee. You cannot face John. Unless you do this. I pointed the forty five caliber gun to her face and in an instant I saw not her but me my old self that I hated. That scared hurt self that night. Lee Boy Malveaux died. I pulled the trigger in an instant. She too was gone next time on. Monster. Dc sniper was certain. There's these helicopters flying. All over the Tacoma community they actually say the DC is linked to tacoma again. A notice found this time. It's an angry note. You did not respond to the message. You departed from what we told you to say. You're incompetent has cost you another wife. We need to find these guys and we need to do it now. She's got sources telling her that they're getting close that they have names and that they have a vehicle that they're looking for by about nine thirty ten o'clock at night we had. We knew who we were looking for. We knew what they were in. We just didn't know where to find them winter. We release the information about the caprice to the media. Police were there to see John Muhammed. Shoda while we were down there we got a call on I. Seventy in northern Maryland. They believed that the snipers are there. And they're waiting to move in monster. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 6/25/20--Guest Dennis Montoro

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 6/25/20--Guest Dennis Montoro

"Narrow. Maximum. Security has been defeated King for a day. This is the Jason Beam. horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home for horse racing, news interviews, wagering, discussions and more. Here's your host Jason Be. Good Thursday morning I. Welcome in Jason Being horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Happen to be with you here on this Thursday June twenty fifth. And Horse player Thursday it is. We kind of had a horse player. Let's Thursday last week I. Certainly don't count as much worse player these days, but Dennis we're GONNA join US and Dennis won the two thousand eighteen del Mar contest in. I saw an interview with him that Christian hellmers did on. Youtube and I thought well. This guy seems to have some interesting things to say. Let's let's get him on the show so very excited for the conversation, Dennis, very math and model oriented player will talk about exactly what what I mean by models when we talked with Dennis but You know it's. It's interesting when I when I learned about horse racing. Like math. Other than calculating your win odds. was just not part of the equation. I was I was raised and taught and learned. That it was about picking winners and handicapping and finding. These little hidden gems. And then being right. And while that is part of the equation I would argue it's the least important part in terms of making good bets, but also just being mathematically sound in your decisions and your wagers. I would've never thought. I played a TRIFECTA ticket. That's a fifty cent ticket. That's thirty dollars. Let's just say for for Sake I five horses. I would have never thought of it as if it pays one hundred and fifty dollars me getting. You know four to one. I would have thought about it as me. Winning one hundred twenty dollars. And so it's just. It's interesting how? Your outlook on these things can change from listening to people, and it's interesting I I asked Dennis about this like does the math kind of take out a little bit of the human emotion element and tilt and bias, and all this kind of stuff because I think we're all filled with fat and. There's a weird part of that is attracted to that part of the thing like. I like the you know the the get mad. The jock or the you know not not actually being verbally abusive to, but like getting frustrated in the the angst of the the wins in the you know the angst of the losses, and the excitement of the winds, and the ups, and the downs, and the emotions, and the bad beat stories, and all that kind of stuff like to me. A lot of that is very much a part of the game, and so when you take some of that I almost wonder well. Is it less interesting if it just becomes a mathematical equation? And part of me, says yes, but then part of me finds some new beauty in the game of thinking in that in that you know in those terms so very excited for the the. Interview with Dennis coming up here in a little bit, the jury will be tomorrow. It's a big closing weekend Churchill. We'll talk a little bit about the Stephen Foster and fluidly coming up here in a moment, but we'll talk about all of the big stakes races coming up Saturday Churchill with the jury tomorrow show. I had an email from a listener. The other day and I told them I KINDA WANNA use that as a as a prompt for discussion. They emailed asking about my thoughts on a new wager proposal and I won't I won't go into the details of the wager because I don't know that at this point, they're that they're important for what my Kinda take on. It was and in general. My take is I don't really think we need any wagers. Most of the wagers are. That have been introduced in the last several years are really just variations of things we already have and. I think that are wagering menu is. Plentiful enough I don't have any issues with our lack of wagering options. We have long horizontal. We have short horizontal. We have deep. Deep verticals. We have shallow verticals. We have straight bets I would think head to head. Bats would be. Fun and interesting. I know many tracks have tried them emerald used to do one a day. But when you do the full takeout, all of a sudden, you have a three to five against a four to five, and it's You know, whereas if takeout was a little bit lower, you can get. You can maybe make a little money on them, but. Sports betting in a sense. And so that's one. I would like to see somewhere, but as far as like new really out of the box wagers I just don't really see a the need or be the desire I. Don't think that there would be. There certainly wouldn't be a new influx of of fans because of a new bet, I just can't imagine there would unless it was like the craziest. Jackpot of all time like if they're giving away five million dollars. You know and it was just split amongst the winners or something like that. Which I guess is is any pick six pull? Like unless it just had such insane upside that it would transcend the sport I. Don't know that there any wages are going to bring in a new crowd and I don't know that in new wagers are really going to stimulate. The existing crowd might take been. Let's just approved the wages we have. We have pretty diverse wagering menu. It's pretty extensive. Let's just make them as good as we can be at price. Be It you know poorest population and bigger field size I mean the exact is a better bet. I would argue in a in a field of ten or twelve than it is in a field of five or six. I know. Some people love to slam a chock chock exact five Horsfield, because it's just a Gimme your turning that three to five and nine to five and. and. What have you but? You gotta be right an awful lot for that kind of thing whereas ten twelve horsfield. If you're right every so often, you can make a nice profit on those. But you know. There's their sequences where pick three. is better than another sequence with a pick three, and so you know and a lot of that, too just to do with field size a lot of it's to do with trying to find favorites that you think are beatable or a horse you love. That might be a price. Every pick three sequences, not the same as every other pick, three sequence and I think one of my best discoveries in the last couple of years has been to kind of try to identify what I think. Other people are going to do. I never used to think about that I would open the program. I'd be like okay. I like play, pick three. I'M GONNA. Play a pick three here. Okay, let's see this race. There's a four to five and a six to five and three kind of hopeless horses. Well, I'M GONNA, go with the two. That can't lose that way. I'm GONNA be alive. Never Mind my ticket. COST IS GONNA be double because I used to instead of one, but. I I was doing what everybody else was doing. And so where's my separation? Whereas my differentiation? Whereas my, you know, where do where do I? Make money I don't. Answer that question, but I just think that and another thing with with new pools in new wagers. If there was something that was really dramatically different than than what's out there right now. The guys who are the sharp players Gals who are the sharp players are going to figure it out I and they're going to figure out what the optimum way to play. It is and they're going to collect on it. Probably much much before you or I will the everyday player There's times when something new is announced or there's. Talk About Zoom Chat that we've been doing it I'm in there with a with a number of guys who were sharp wars, players and They will present. Something came up in the game. That's something I. Haven't really ever thought about. And they'll explain it from their point of view and I'm like I would have never thought about that unless they would have brought it up. My mind just does not go to that. Of Analytical Nature. But I also know that I'm. Still in very much in the learning phase of of racing and betting and all that kind of stuff. And so and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. By the way you know. I I get emails all the time from people who are new listeners and they wanNA. Know about. New Racing I should say there are also new listeners, but they wanna know about where you know. Where can I find it with us? What what should I use What what should I? Should I go after ten up. And at I love it. Because these are people who are seeking out knowledge, I'm not an expert at that next level, but we're at the point there at I could certainly offer them some guidance to help hopefully steer them in some of the right directions, but with a new wager and stuff created I mean the sharp guys are going to exploit that and it's going be a tough learning curve I. Think for you me and John Q. Public, but. Again it's just it's one of the things where me personally I just I haven't been. I mean you could argue that the only bet that's really taken off. It's been new lately. Is the the Rainbow Jackpot style bets and all those are? You know. Various versions of bets that previously existed in my opinion, their worst versions of what previously existed the end payoff for the track, and for for some players I guess is is possibly better, but. Those are kind of been the only ones that have really stuck I. Mean you think about Rude Latte and? There's always a variety I, guess the Grand Slam at Iras, been around a long while I. Don't know if I know a handful of people that like to play it and if I remember right, it's like you're you have to pick a horse? It hits the Board three straight races, and then the you have to pick the winner in the last race. I think is how it goes, you know the place pigalle is. Is has been around for a while, but that's kind of a novelty bet, that's a little bit different that I know of some people like and like I, said people bite introduced new bats and they they might stick a little bit, and they might get a little bit of traction, but I really think that the the way to true growth is through through making the best. We have better I mean we have. A wide assortment of bets for every bankroll, for every amount of. Risk tolerance. There I just think that we have enough in that department, but If you disagree if you agree either way, I always love to hear from you guys Jason. Charles, Bima, G mail, DOT, com, the best way to get a hold of me with that I mentioned desma talking to join us here in just a few moments didn't want to take a little quick spin. They released the morning line for the races at Churchill and midnight. Be Sue your three to five favorite. and. This kind of your classic. Big Favorite, coming back off a little bit of a layoff off a world half a world away trip. You know she's five. She had a pretty. I don't to say long. Twenty nine thousand nine campaign, it was a solid one, though eight starts seven wins, and a second that second the distaff, and she ran a big race that day second last time out in the Saudi Cup, closing way off chasing. Adjacent Service Horse. And so she very well could have naturally been the best in that field by the way I think she was two lengths clear third. She's just one of the coolest sources we've seen in the last several years. She's going to be extremely short price Aaron Giddy empress, who was eleventh last time after not getting the lead figures to be the most viable challenger now. To Sarah Getty empresses advantages. There's no other real front runner in the race Sarah. Getting empress is going to get her preferred running style. At least it looks like it on paper. Of course motion emotion might just say you know what screw it. Let's roll from the outside of fifteen and one not necessarily Julian's normal style and modus operandi, but you never know, but it looks like on paper that Sarah Getty empress is to get the thing that she always wants and that is to be. On the lead. you know with with a horse like midnight zoo again super short price if she runs her race and is able to hook. Sang empress at the top of the stretch. ABC's probably going to win that battle I would think. If Sarah Guinea's can shake loose. Maybe put two or three links on turn for home. Maybe she can hold on maybe neither one of them. Fires and somebody else wins. To take midnight so you? You're going to have to be right a great great majority of time. Sixty seventy percent of the time. You're going to need to be right for her to be a long-term positive bet in this spot. And there are I mean the question marks are the overseas travel and all that kind of stuff a tough effort last time, but she's obviously been given I, mean really she? She had a two month break going into that race, and now about a three month. Break coming out of it so. She's been. Paste along by the folks at Bloom and Steve Asmussen, and what have you so? It's just one of those classic decisions you're GonNa have to make because going back to what I mentioned earlier about play about doing what everybody else is doing a great great majority of tickets, especially late pick fours and fives, or even pick threes are going to be singling midnight zoo. Like that's what a majority of the tickets out there are going to have, and if even if it comes in all chuck other than Midnight Zoo it's going to be a pretty tasty sequence. Maybe if Sarah Empress wins, it doesn't quite jump all that much, but I think the difference to that the difference with those two in terms of pick fours and fives I think is going to be bigger than three to five, two, two, two one. I think it's going to be a bigger chasm because I think people are going to try to lean on. This beast of a mayor who had just had a huge year last year. Who by the way has never won at Churchill downs? She's Oh for two with two third place finishes one of them. Was the Kentucky Oaks. One of them was the Breeders Cup distaff. She ran pretty good in that Breeders Cup distaff behind Mona, moyer girl, but worth mentioning when she's been beat twice a churchill in likely to of her tougher races, but you know she's. She's one some of those dogfight tough races. You know the one that gets delayed episode. Togan stuff like that, but you know on the biggest of big stages. She hasn't really one yet and I don't know by the way the Florida. Lee is not the biggest stages. This is kind of very logical spot for her, but the staff. She's got a couple of times the World Cup. She got I mean. I'm not saying this to knock NYPD. She's obviously one of the top, if not the top Philly, older filly and Mare in the game, but just trying to poke holes in a horse that's going to be a very very short price and It's worth thinking about I mean. If your opinions elsewhere dictate that, you can get away with with plan. B Soup by all means do it if they don't. Maybe you wait and play the late double. If you like something in the foster and the Edgewood, there's different ways to approach these things you know just because you're a pick four pick five player. You don't have to play the pick four pick five. Especially, if you you know are kind of lukewarm on horse, it's going to be a very very short price. Those ones you kinda either WanNa slam dunk or toss. The Stephen Foster grey to ask. Eddie head was really fired up when they downgraded the foster. I want to see if he's still on the chip. If it's still eats it as craw. Do. We know what craw is. Is there a definition of craw? But your favorite here is the number five times tot again. Another short price favourite I don't know that people are GonNa lean on Tom's day. Todd as much as they will on midnight, be sue and when it comes to the horizontal is even though they're both. Even money in three to five. There's obviously big difference between even money in three to five, but. They're short price favorites, and there's kind of a clear second choice in each of their racist to like by my standards is kind of the Sarah Getty empress of the Stephen Foster and standards has been very very good so far in two thousand twenty in fact has been perfect and just seems to be coming into this race very well. Well, What's interesting? Is that Gabriel? Size might not be writing. I think he had a thirty day suspension a lot of time. Suspensions allow for you to read and stakes races, but then I saw article saying that Bret Calhoun had his. Replacement ready the other. I don't want to say question mark, but it certainly talking point is that Mugale main. It gets them out on Tommy. Ta He and Al. Stall have worked together and Miguel works this horse quite a bit too? In the mornings I was, there was a nice conversation going on twitter. People were kind of engaging about you know I. Mean You know it's? It's a surprising move so to speak I mean bridge man had the out for quite a while. Rosario has been on the last three Rosario is staying back east to write Oni. So okay. That makes sense. You got to choose which you WANNA do. And maybe he's got other mounts on that New York. I haven't got to that yet. We'll talk about tomorrow, but you know it is an interesting choice. He's not necessarily a top. Shelf Guy Right now he's not he's not up in that upper upper echelon, but he's a solid Kentucky writer, and clearly him install have a little bit of A. Working Relationship and clearly knows the horse will that affect? I think that's part of why to that. People might not lean on Tom's Day tot as Single in the sequence and might go to midnight. Be Sue. I think by my standards to the odds might actually close a little bit in his direction. But part of it depends on who they get to ride. I mean it both those horses have Ryder questions and you know there's some other I mean Dale getting that when I didn't like him at all in that race, I've never really been a fan of his per se, he obviously needs to kind of get his setup. He also strikes me as the kind of horse who maybe he was always decent good of the three-year-old ransoming races on the Oklahoma Derby when the Ohio, Derby won the Lexington. If! He takes a step forward which from a speed figure standpoint he kinda was the same, but. If he does take that leap forward as a four year old. Maybe he becomes kind of an instant player, not only in this race, but in this division silver dust. I mean I can't say enough good things about him. He's just been awesome and very steady, but. It seems like when they make you know kind of the jumps up to a little bit of the tougher races, the grade who's and stuff he doesn't quite you know he was. He wins the grade threes and when he gets to the great news, he doesn't win and so. I think. I don't know that he's a wind candidate, but I certainly wouldn't hate him for an underneath candidate. He's just been a very very neat animal for for Bret Calhoun. Who obviously has a couple of very nice ones? In this race multiplier, pirates punch I was excited for forced her to have a good horse and wish them the best elect with this one and then fearless. WHO's coming off that big win? Churchill last time. What an interesting little career! This horse had so far. I actually think that he is potentially very very good. Draws the inside here, but he's you know he's a deep closer type I. Don't know that it's post. Position Matters all that much special pirates punches just going to go straight out to his outside and go to the lead. I mean I guess he could kind of cut off but I think pirates punch is going to clear in pretty fast. But I don't know that fearless goes off at twelve to one I think maybe he takes a little more action to especially with all the Jackie stuff going on this race I think there's a potential that he may be becomes a little bit of the Guy Horse but going to be a fun fun car. We'll talk more about it tomorrow. The guys from the jury will be in. We'll talk about the weekend and more, but we'll talk with Dennis. Montour on the other side of this break is a horse player Thursday looking forward to the conversation right after this break. It's the Jason. Beam horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world sign up today, and take advantage of our one hundred dollars. Sign up bonus when you weigh your five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances live video. 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Thanks for having me. I appreciate you coming on I. I saw an interview you did with Christian hellmers online and I found your outlook on the game, just really interesting and so I. I am thrilled to get to talk to you. Did you play much at all during Belmont this weekend? a little bit on the on stakes day. really had some other prior engagements couldn't devote the full day, too, but I was able to play the obviously the Belmont stakes I. It's interesting talking about. The idea of time because you know your your career guy and I think most. Guys, playing the races or not full-time horse players, handicappers and finding the time. That is Kinda needed to dedicate to it. I think can be a challenge for a lot of folks. Yeah definitely we consider myself a weekend warrior Actually, I was introduced to the game. I through tournaments tournament player before I was a cash player, which I think is definitely in the minority of horse players in general, so I'm a younger guy and Was a a poker player back in the early two thousand was always just interested in tournaments in general, and then learned about the NFC a while back i. think the year that that they had red rock 'cause I was living in Las Vegas at the time and saw that they had like. It and I was like Oh. This is just like poker and when I learned about what the was all about. It was obviously very interested in the tournament format. So you were part of the the poker boom generation. Because, I was the same way like I was my mom had a poker room so I was around it as a little kid, but I remember like when rounders came out, and all that stuff like it was so remarkably fascinating to me that you study game and learn it and have an advantage at it. Frankly. I've been exposed to many different types of gambling. And a relatively young age in poker obviously took off in early two thousands, and I was sort of ahead of the curve, even before like Chris moneymaker won the world series of Poker but it was definitely a big part of my life for definitely a few years. What is your your play? Like right now I mean. Is it a mix of tournaments and cash? Is it mostly cash play I mean obviously with Kovin tournaments live tournaments of. Taken a little bit of a back seat. But what? What is your general mix of play right now? Definitely focused on tournaments and then still. playing cash on on the weekend basis but really honestly fine tuning my cash game I've only been playing cash less than two years, and I'm not one to plunged a lot of money into something that I'm not exactly competent tournaments. I feel like I have a I have an advantage for cats. I'm still learning like Oh like. learn how to apply computer models to horse racing. Yeah I wanna I, WanNa, talk about the models and the and the math stuff and I'm intrigued by. It's not something I think is talked about all that much I think most racing press and media and stuff like everybody talks about handicapping. It's all about handicapping and handicapping, and so I like to talk about some of the things that aren't just that, but wanted to start just kind of how you first got into racing. Did you have any racing? Interest or experience before you kind of discovered it through the poker thing. yeah, actually grew up a long island and I was a frequent guest at Belmont in the backyard there as a child. one. My Dad and my other family members bet on courses, so I was kind of introduced to her. A young age obviously didn't know what I was. Doing at the time when I was probably seven years old, but as I got older like I, said I was kind of exposed. Mostly through my family, just two different types of gambling and always had a interest in numbers. And structured systems, and how to apply to gambling and my. In my teenage years. My Dad gave me horse racing system I. Don't know where he got it from, but it was so interesting to me to apply different numerical values for attributes have given horace and and kind of coming up with your own odds line if you will and just figuring out how to use that, so you know that was the first time I was ever exposed the Horse race thing and obviously I tried to make money doing that and promptly failed, but that was really my first attend horseracing. It's funny because everybody talked to. Ninety eight percent of US got introduced dad's or mom's or grandparents or something like that and almost everybody I talked to they tell me that their dad, or or whoever introduced him was like a really terrible player. They think back. They never had a Lotta fundamentals like I remember. My Dad always talked about kidney sweat and all this you know. He had all these like goofball theorems. Was your data quote unquote sharper or was he just kind of a casual player? I think my dad was a casual player who thought he was sharp. I. I think he was every eleven. Yeah exactly exactly My Dad was actually fairly sharp NFL. Handicapper back in two thousand they all people know these days just the the super time at the West Gate putting it on. He actually catching few of them and. was was partners with the guy who wanted a couple of times, so fact NFL. Betting was a whole different game. But You, know so. He was a shark with that. Maybe not of course reasoning. You talk about the initial system. Promptly failing and stuff and I think that that's kind of a part of the education of I would guess on honestly every. Gambler at some point you kind of have to you. Put in your time and do your battles I. Don't think anybody. Walks into it just a complete prodigy, but What was it for you? That maybe turned the corner a little bit, and you think improved your gambling, and that can mean poker or horses or anything. We're some things that kind of helped you to turn the corner in that in that way. I think just being consistent like a consistent approach and just seeing it through and like learning from it I like obviously with with my models. I'm doing it right now with with cash Just seeing through seeing what works and doesn't work and making tweaks to your daily approach to things, and how you come up with different probabilities for the different types of pools, and just seeing what's going to work for you and like you know I, don't I think you're GonNa be foolish to do something for a week. And you know expect to see immediate results that actually are significant statistically, so you know I think seeing things through and like you know, this has become a borderline obsession of mine. And You know it's something that you really have to be motivated to spend a lot of hours. working on and frankly I get way more satisfaction from being right just based off all the work I. Put it in the financial gain i. think that's something. That's like I said of line and session of mine. I think we should clarify for the listeners and kind of explain exactly when you say a model what what exactly that means when it comes to racing. Yes sure ultimately. It's coming up with your own probability for a given horse or different combinations of horses that obviously aligned with. The different types of pools and horse racing. So you're coming with your own opinion. Obviously, and there's a there's a quantitative. Aspect to it. And When the the numbers are in your favor, it's just you know betting your opinion. A proportional to your advantage, so you're basically inserting data into a system and you know looking for things that you think are valuable. For maybe not a given horse, but you know in races to therefore can spit out a value line, or is it more so? What the put in is versus what the come out is. Yeah, it's I have a humongous database. Collected through the years and coming up with more different variables and attributes for given course that I carry too, and it's figuring out what variable you want to input into giving model and through through. and machine learning during out how important that variable is to finding a winner? And then you know using that information to ultimately assign a probability to an outcome whether that's a horse winning a race finishing the top three You know losing a certain way you know beating links so and then there's one more thing about the variables. It's just that. You know you can have all the variables in the world but they they better be different than everyone else's area bolt, or it's GonNa be tough to find an edge. Well, and that's I mean in the end. I think a lot of what we do you whether you're a Dr if our bridge, or whatever is you know you're you're trying to calculate. The chances of winning versus the price you're getting and and then make your decision of how you try to extract money from the pools using that information, but there's you know there's obviously different ways to get it. I would think that there's as you said. There's probably a time and obsession commitment that comes with putting together something like that. You probably have to tinker with that right I mean I would imagine it's A. It's a long process to kind of get it to where it's maybe more proficient than. Your average method. Of course I, think looking back to you know a few years ago. When I really started to take this seriously, it's been night and day to my approach in the level of detail that goes into creating these models and you know most of this is all. It was all self taught by myself. you know I have a good educational background, but most of the. data science type of application was all self taught so Yeah, I mean over the years and over like I, said it kind of grew into an obsession, but that's kind of what it took to really be successful at it. Made many many weeks along the way and I'll continue to do so. Is Part of the advantage that you think using a model is part of that, because it can at least take out a little bit of the emotion and bias impact that a lot of players obviously have and humans have yeah. Yeah absolutely I would say that. it's going to be easier. This is gonNA sound weird. It's GonNa be easier for someone having no horse racing background to come in and build a model because they will have no previous bias and I think people who haven't approach today If they were to build a model that there would be there, they're. They're bias would be all over it I. Think Gangs. It's just figuring out what's going to work. And what's not from a handicapping approach thing you know like I said at the end of the day. It's all going to depend on the day that you have. There's a saying just in data science in general that many people have probably heard but garbage in garbage out. If your data garbage sheer predictions are going to be garbage, so it's a it's all day that you collect and what ultimately you put into the model. Yeah I remember. We did an interview with a friend of mine inside the pylons. It's a professional player in. He talked about. He really believed that he would be. It would be easier for him to teach someone who's never watched a horse race before how to beneficially and how to be a good horse player than it would be somebody who maybe has fifteen years of experience and. And probably a lot of bad habits I. we're just so conditioned to so many things to think about even myself now like you know looking back? I had certain bet types and structures, like I always played every bet within kind of the same structure, even though obviously every sequence is different and stuff like that. I mean it's a fascinating part of the horse player equation I think. Yeah I mean it's definitely biased, exist and or or condition thinking even with myself, even though I have I spent all this time with models nothing will ever fade my model, but you know the decision. Making that goes into a lot of these tournaments. Sometimes I find myself not even fully taking advantage of what my model saying, so it's mainly because of bias I'll look at something that has nothing to do with my model and influence my decision, and you know it. It usually hurts so it's It exists it's just it's just how we think in part of our our brave I. If you're playing live tournament or you're playing cash. How how much of your time is spent? Just using traditional handicapping methods I mean. Do you have a former you looking at pace, or you're looking at class or you really just relying strictly on the numbers that you've assembled and looking at the odds board. This Day and age. I am ninety five percents just looking at my model It's kind of a running joke with some of the people I converse with, but I'm I try to limit my exposure to be. To outside variables beyond my model, just because looking saying it's GONNA influence my decision probably in a negative manner and to the point where? You know I am not up to date on horse names like I don't I'll bet on a horse and have no idea what its neighbors. you know even when even with these bigger races like why have a buddy of mine who? Is A or was a big Fan of arrogance. And I can't even tell you what race arrogant Ranna so it's. It's just that's just the way my my brain saints, and definitely not the traditional horse racing fan in a sense, but that's just that's how my brain works. Yeah, no, it's just fascinating because. Of course a lot of players. It's it's completely the opposite right like they're tuned with every jockey and trainer standings and I remember in the interview with with hellmers that you did like you talked about. The jockey is is really not a thing that you even really think about I know for me. I'm kind of the same way, but there's a select few at the bottom and a select few at the top that I guess will alter but ninety five percent of in the middle. I kinda just don't care about, but jockey's aren't a thing for you really at all, right. Yeah I think like what just at the end the day we're all trying to make money right so in finding a R Y and a Lotta Times those those high Roi setups or usually horses that no one wants to take I think the example I use with Christian. was like enrollment on the turf and you know remind is decent on the dirt, but I don't think he's. He's statistically good jockey on the turf, but that would not persuade me from. betting on them. We're taking them into tournament or something like that because I know that a lot of other people are are looking at that to tick and talking them off or even even if they think the worst is legit, so it's something that from a contrarian approach. I think you. You have to consider especially in tournaments. You mentioned working on your cash game, and and and wagering and tickets structure, and all that kind of stuff is obviously a big learning thing for everybody. Is that something you've been learning on your own or do you do reading? Are you talking to other players or you just kind of trying to work it out personally? How the above I think, you know. After the Del Mar win struck up a friendship with Tony. Joe. You determine you had on the show. Yeah Terminator He's a great guy. And yeah, he really he should be. He's like one of the ambassadors for to the game for sure and he you know just by talking to him I gleaned a lot from him and his approach from a from a cash perspective and I'm primarily just a wind player, but I've I'm starting to expand some of the more Visible pools exactly the daily double tractor so which I think he does well, but I think he does all, but you know obviously through reading, and it's all math behind the scenes how you structure your best, so it's Kinda right up my alley and it's something that You know I think if you're really trying to. Build a model and beat the game. I think you can't limit yourself to one pool. Just given how tight the margins are to beat this game right now. Well, that was that was kind of thinking when you mentioned the wind bedding. Because obviously mean take out. His is an issue in horse racing, and we talk about it a lot here on the show and. Some tracks are obviously a little bit friendlier when it comes to the wind play show. Are you pretty cognizant of that? When you decide which tracks, you're GONNA play. Oh for sure I. Mean I mean when I'm computing? My expected value. Just you know easy. The term definitely have to consider what the takeout is. Because getting points you pay out. and whether or not I'm related track well, yeah. The the cash tournaments you know they often of course, come down to kind of the big push in the final races, but a lot of the tournament talked to one of the things I really admire about him. Is I think it's probably a mandatory thing to have success in those tournaments? You KINDA GOTTA have a no fear, instinct, and not be afraid to lose. Because part of horse playing is is losing I mean that's just most of us are losing most of our bets right so. Is, that something that you feel you deal with maybe better than the average player. Absolutely I have a very interesting relationship with money. Just you know whether I have or or not like I. Just I'm not. I'm not scared to lose it. And that's how I wanna the delmore tournament I can't remember the details exactly, but I had seven or eight thousand going to last race, and and I knew my only chance to probably when the tournament was to put it all on a five to one shot and. happens to like that horse in general, and and I did that on the last race in one. I think you know. Definitely. If you're playing a cash tournament, you've got gotta be willing to do that. And I think over the last year to We've seen we've seen that. Be The case and many people have caught on to that so I think that's only. Going to become more common And decision making is GonNa. Trump handicapping in these in these live bank tournaments in those last races. There's going to be time where you're only path to winning is to Tibet Horses. You probably don't like. which sounds counter? Yeah, right? Yeah, I mean you're going to be taking a low probability outcomes. You know whether you know, be a shot or exactly. Try It, so yes, you gotta do. We gotTA DO to win. And most of these tournaments are so top heavy with the price pool, and when he additional seats so You know if you you're taking it seriously and. I'm so you can afford to lose the money I think you. You know that's the approach take. Dennis Mantorras here on the program. Dennis really appreciate your. Time Fun to have a conversation about horse racing with you. Yeah thanks for having me on all right. We'll be right back after a short term would be more. Racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The Jason Beam horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation? 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Show 1187: Are Supplements Really a Waste of Time?

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Dot com you take dietary supplements a recent Meta analysis concluded they don't protect people from cardiovascular complications this is the people's pharmacy with Terry Terry and Joe Graydon not everyone agrees new review of fish oil founded helps protect the heart doctor to run alot dog is one of the country's leading experts on the science behind herbs and supplements it points out that people may need supplements for other reasons are you taking medications that could affect your nutritional status a month ago a mail order pharmacy warned learned about large amounts of a carcinogen in popular heartburn medicine Renita Dean the CEO of Alisher explains why they tested it and what they found coming coming up on the People's pharmacy your calls and questions about the value of supplements welcome I'm to the People's pharmacy I'm Terry Haden I'm a medical anthropologist and I'm Joe Graydon I'm a pharmacologist less summer a large umbrella review of the two hundred seventy seven clinical trials involving twenty four different diets and dietary supplements concluded that for the most part nothing you eat eight or take will prevent heart disease or help you live longer needless to say this conclusion was controversial are supplements really a waste of time hard to help us answer that question we turn to Dr Tyranny low dog she's founding member of the American board of physician specialties the American Board of Integrative Medicine and the Academy of Women's health her books include women sell in complementary and integrative medicine life if is your best medicine and healthy at home her latest book is fortify Your Life Your guide to vitamins minerals and more and we invite you to join the conversation do you take vitamins minerals or other supplements do you think they're helpful the number eight eight eight four seven to three three six six tailless radio at People's pharmacy dot com that number again is share your story eight eight eight four seven to thirty three sixty six welcome back to the people's pharmacy Doctor Tehrani low dog hello thank you for having me Dr Low dog you you have written I think the definitive book when it comes to vitamins and minerals and supplements in general it's called fortify your life your guy I to vitamins minerals and more and so you are the perfect person to react to an article that appeared fairly recently in the annals of internal medicine they looked at two hundred seventy seven trials of supplements for cardiovascular prevention almost a million people only randomized clinical trials the so-called gold standard they looked at twenty four different supplements eight eight different diets and the bottom line was nothing really worked very much if at all what's your thought well so I'm grateful for the contribution of all this effort that went into creating the review I was surprised that the headline was really about nutrition supplements don't prevent heart disease or reduce the risk of dying from heart disease when some of this you know I thought the headline would be huge huge study shows recommending low saturated fat diets is not supported by evidence right or the Mediterranean Diet which we all recommend actually actually doesn't show that strength when it comes to heart disease so it was an interesting reporting for me but ultimately I think that excluding observational all trials just focusing randomized controlled trials and excluding observational trials I think that that was probably a misstep I think in a observational research is very important because randomized controlled trials of diets are difficult because we're not in a diet naive population right if you give somebody a drug doug who's never had the drug and compared to a placebo great because they've never been exposed to it people eat every day and so doing randomized controlled trials can be difficult tickled especially long term because it's really hard to control how people eat observational studies matter when it comes to nutrition and they specifically excluded those which I think was and they admit themselves it was shortcoming well I think potentially it was this reliance on the randomized controlled trial extremely rigorous Chris Methodology et cetera that caused them to discount the big premed study because yes the predicated Freddie Med people had allowed some members of the family to eat some of the food they had provided for their subjects it's their their study subjects and this apparently meant well you're not doing the study right so they had to retract the original publication from the New England and Journal of Medicine and in two thousand thirteen but my understanding is they re analyzed the data taking this into account and they said still holds up how come it didn't hold up to end this review I don't know they this again I think this was a you know it was a monumental lift an effort and and you know I think one of the things you have to remember also for me is when you look at the Mediterranean Diet as just one example when you add the multiple all Meta analyses and the observational studies the fact that we have almost thirteen million people that have been followed for a very long time we have a lot of data on the Mediterranean Diet including it's beneficial effects for overall health you know from inflammation to reduction of certain cancers cancers to beneficial effects on the heart so I think that for me I I read the I read the study by Khan and I and I look at edit and I sort of sift through it and at the end of the day I haven't really changed my opinion on the Diet which means a diverse diet that's rich implants it's and people if they will if they consume me certainly having some lean meats in their diet really avoiding processed foods sugar sugary carbs which is where I think most of our problem is fake food and highly processed foods it's trying to stick to whole foods diets that may look very much like a Mediterranean diet I still think is this is the answer Dr Dog one of the questions that I have about this analysis has to do with those individual randomized control trials of vitamins and minerals and the reason is that that's not the way we eat and yet so many of these studies said well let's look at vitamin in an e and just do a randomized controlled trial with vitamin E. or just a controlled trial with full of acid or calcium and vitamin D eh or fill in the blank it seems to me that that's a rather reductionist way to think about dietary supplements laments and vitamins and minerals in particular well I would agree on many of these studies are also plagued by the fact that they don't do a base level of the nutrient than follow it midway and then at the end so what was your calcium when you started what was it mid range and what was it at the end what was your vitamin D. level throughout the trial and how did it change change on people who have normal levels of some of these nutrients may not achieve a lot of benefit because they're already in the normal range contrast in comparing hearing that maybe a subgroup that was deficient or just doing the study and people who have deficiencies might give you a very different answer the other thing I would say is in the study study by con they did talk about calcium and vitamin D perhaps being associated with an increased risk of heart disease small but but they did call all it out in the study and one of the one of the questions has been this controversy over rather calcium in can trigger higher levels of calcium which then triggers vascular calcification or laying down of calcium in the blood vessels but there's also a tremendous amount of research including that coming out of Japan that shows that vitamin K hey is really important to ensure that calcium is going where it's supposed to go so you know are we giving just calcium vitamin D are we he giving the other nutrients that are important magnesium for the activation of vitamin D you know to its most active forum are we giving it along with vitamin K to ensure that the calcium's going knowing where it is are we monitoring the calcium levels giving too much to people who don't need it so for me there's a lot of limitations with the trials with these randomized controlled trials and giving high levels of individual isolated vitamins as if they exist in a silo not Moore's they would exist in a multivitamin item and food I think that it often leads us to poor conclusions and and you know one of the reasons I also say this is like that you can make a lot of errors really easy if if we did a trial you and I decided let's do a trial on this new thing called aspirin and let's and let's do it for headaches and give people fifty fifty milligrams when they get a headache we would find that actually it didn't really have headache for most people because it's not dosed enough right so so dosing has been evaluated waited and we know so how how much to recommend for an individual experience experience a headache when it comes to vitamins and minerals nobody really checks levels nobody nobody really understands the optimal amount to give we don't know if we're giving it to a healthy population sick population or deficient population and at the end of the day the results Alz are often skewed or not what people originally thought of because it's not being delivered in a way that would be naturally found in food or you're not dosing it effectively enough for people who may be deficient to correct the deficiency. I have to just say as somebody that works with lots of people with poor diets that most people are not taking vitamins and minerals so they don't die of heart disease I mean it's just not what people are taking them for their taking it to fill in gaps in their diet and let's all be really clear low iron earn plagues lots of women making supplementation often necessary calcium and vitamin D. and vitamin K and magnesium are all important for maintaining bone and muscle health people take a lot of medications now joe that you know that they didn't use to which increases the risk for nutrient deficiencies look at how much diabetes we have people taking that forman that Lowers B twelve right so I mean there's a lot of things that we do today including Diet Paleo Kito Vegan gluten free I mean every day there's a new diet and all I would say is that it makes this conversation around supplementation more important than ever because because we see more and more gaps in the Diet and to be honest you know I think that if people will most people if you ask them what are the biggest risk for heart disease Aziz is high blood pressure it's diabetes it's being overweight or obese it's smoking cigarettes it's not exercising and it's eating a calorie rich but nutrient deficient diet none of those will be out none of those will be corrected by a multi vitamin or supplement but but there's something that can be done for all of them managing your way not smoking keeping your blood pressure under control watching your salt intake not smoking getting regular exercising and eating a whole food diverse I diet that's low in sugar and low in processed foods and that's that's how you're going to keep people from having heart disease or dying from MHM heart disease so their study was important for some few pieces but ultimately we know everybody knows how to reduce the risk of heart disease and I'm surprised that there wasn't more focus in this study on some of the things that just really didn't show that it made a big difference and I would have to say saturated fat was one of those this is the fourth big study to fail to find a strong correlation and and yet it remains one of our strongest recommendations to the public and also for healthcare professionals to recommend a patient's Doctor Ronnie any law Doug thank you so much for talking with us on the People's pharmacy today thank you you've been listening to Doc Toronto Low dog her latest book fortify Your Life Life Your guide to vitamins minerals and more if you have a question or a comment about supplements give us a call eight four seven to three three six if our lines are full email US radio at people's Pharmacy Dot Com You're listening to the People's pharmacy with Joe and Terry Graydon the People's pharmacy podcast podcast is sponsored by Mighty Musk's dine great berry king of the super fruits one hundred percent natural plant based supplements juice snacks is and more the Muscat Grapes Berry providing greater health benefits than blueberries cranberries and the whole Berry family with oxidative damage edged fighting antioxidants to support cardiovascular immune system and joint health at mighty must dine fulltime chemists and food scientists check all their products for quality and purity find out more online mighty Muscat Dine Dot com the People's Pharmacy Z podcast is sponsored in part by Kaya -biotics Kyi a -biotics offers the first probiotics which are both certified Organic Ganic End Hypo allergenic all probiotics are produced in Germany under laboratory conditions with high quality ingredients and under strict regulatory Tori oversight the three available formulas are created for very specific purposes such as strengthening the immune system fighting east infections and helping bring with weight loss to learn more about Kaya -biotics probiotics and the important topic of gut health you can visit their website Kaya -biotics dot dot com that's k. a. y. -biotics dot com use the discount code people for ten dollars off your first purchase welcome back to the People's for missing I'm Joe Graydon and I'm Terry grading the peebles pharmacy is brought to you in part by Arizona an analytical laboratory very providing home health tests for hormones gut health and the microbiome online at Verizon V. 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DOT COM also by mighty musk adine grape seed and skin products natural supplements juice snacks and more containing antioxidants that research indicates may support Cardiovascular Immune System I'm an joint health information online mighty musket nine dot com to they were talking about vitamins minerals and other dietary supplements like fish oil that's also known as Omega three fatty acids and we invite you to join the conversation do you have a question or a a story about nutrients or dietary supplements like vitamin D or Turmeric or or fish oil are lines are open eight eight eight four seven seven to their thirty three sixty six you can also send us email radio at people's pharmacy dot com the number again eight eight eight eight four seven to three three six six terry there were say incredible fish oil flip flop just recently doctor Joann Manson is professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School she's chief of the division of Preventive Medicine at Brigham and Women's hospital she has an endowed endowed share and they only do that when you are a superstar it's the Michael and Lee Bell professor of Women's health excuse me in January of Twenty nineteen she wrote in the New England Journal of medicine she and her colleagues said Omega three supplements did not emphasize did not reduce is cardio vascular events more than placebo then in October of two thousand nineteen she and her colleagues wrote in the Journal of the American Heart Heart Association that quote Omega Three Fats lower the risk for heart attacks heart disease and cardiovascular death and some of the studies that were included in those two analyses word the same including Dr Manson's vital de study study that she oversaw so obviously science changes it does I mean these were if I'm not mistaken randomized control all trials were so one month fish oil doesn't work for heart disease and heart attacks and then the next month a more comprehensive suv not next month but a few months later it does work so yeah whiplash right potentially it means means that you you need to be paying attention but you shouldn't be hopping on every last bandwagon shall we go to the phone let's do that let's go to Tampa Florida Lee Rick in Tampa welcome to the people's pharmacy. Thank you very much for taking my call you guys show is great but what I wanted to touch bases. Racism is very important probiotics and the health of the digestive system if you don't have healthy justice system in which these important Horton nutrients can be absorbed property to your body that's evasiveness kidney issue and I know you've had other shows on that but I thought it was just relevant to mention to the the general overall audience about the importance of probiotics and puts productions of enzymes coenzyme anti bacterial it's so for uh-huh fifteen points of that for This whole issue so thank you very much for taking my call and I'd be curious about you guys on that well thank you very much for calling Rick Rick and indeed probiotics we are just learning about probiotics they've been popular in Europe for quite a while but scientists are just beginning to get a handle along them the thing about probiotics is it matters what your initial microbiome looks like to to determine what probiotic might conceivably be best for you but I was fascinated to see a really recent study in the annals of surgery very showing that people who take probiotics or something called in -biotics which also includes prebiotics before elective abdominal surgery are less likely to come down with a post surgical infection absolutely fast now when you say micro Biota Biota what is it you're meaning what you're talking about I'm talking about the bacteria and the fun fungi from take her digestive tract and there are some viruses are viruses all of the I'll of the Organisms extremely small micro organisms that live in an ecological hopefully harmony in our digestive tract if you'd like to join the conversation if you've got a question about fish oil or if you found that it's been helpful for you for for example arthritis symptoms give us a call the number terry the number is eight hundred eight four seven to three three a six six and you can email us radio at people's Pharmacy Dot Com again that number eight eight eight four seven to thirty three sixty sixty you get whiplash whiplash when one day you read in the headlines Fish Oil is worthless don't take it it's it doesn't do a thing and then a couple the months later you learn that it's good for your heart after all now terry who take supplements and why well how about if you tell me well there's there's a fascinating article in consumer reports it it's got a cover story called get smart about supplements and they actually tested is to the number of supplements including Turmeric which is very popular these days as well as ECHINACEA and it turns out that well I was surprised that millennials are taking supplements like if two or three it's like twenty five percent or taking to twenty five percent or taking three of course the silent silence generation that's those the silent generation was though World War Two generation and twenty six percent or taking six or more for dietary supplements but baby boomers are taking a lot they're taking like twenty one percent or taking to seventeen percent or taking three awesome so the question really is who isn't taking supplements and there's about eight to ten percent of the population that isn't right and guess how many supplements there are eighty thousand on the market market right now and more every day so how do you know what's best one of the things that sort of interesting very very difficult till now well there are four organizations that actually test dietary supplements consumer lap dot COM is one NSF International U. L. You've heard of underwriters laboratories and US PHARMACOPOEIA USP interestingly most of them only test about once a year sometimes soon once every two years so you don't always know if the supplements have been tested recently that's right and but it makes much more more sense to look it up and see a supplement has been tested because the FDA does not actually monitor the FDA close past doesn't monitor pretty much doesn't do very much at all when it comes to dietary supplement that is due to the nineteen ninety-four Shea executive if Congress well Joe Dorothy wrote to us to say fish oil works for my arthritis years ago I had arthritis in my neck not wanting to prescribe another other drug my doctor suggested I try fish oil told me I'd have to wait for it to kick in well it did and now if I don't take four to five thousand she says milligrams and that's probably right I salute might be something I think it might be milligrams people get confused day I ache all over within a day or two you do have to get genuine fish oil though so stick with the known brands and we also got an email from Tim Tim says I started taking High Quality Fish Oil for Mitra Glycerin about three years ago they didn't do much for those lipids which brought down through diet and weight loss but the fish oil did have a wonderful unintended side effect it was magic imagine for my generalized anxiety disorder two days after starting four GEL caps today my general anxiety disorder disorders symptoms vanished and have not returned however the brand and quality matter Nordic naturals twelve hundred milligrams fish oil gel oh caps gave me instant anxiety relief but when I ran out one day and did the old stuff oh I have this other brand I'll just take these until I can get to the the store routine my anxiety symptoms roared back I'm back on Nordic naturals daily now never to stray again well that's fascinating fascinating 'cause I don't think there's a great deal of research on the psychological effects of fish oil or other supplements I think there's some data about depression depression so that's sort of the good news but you know the thing that fascinates me is a lot of people think fish oil they think oh well that's a dietary supplement that you get in the health food store but there are pharmaceuticals for example there's one is being advertised on television called Vasque EPA yes it's it's mostly EPA pincer no wick acid they call it i Costa Pent Ethel and it is in fact a purified form as you say of EPA it doesn't have any DHA in it so it's not actually fish oil although might be derived from fish oil I'm not it's purified purified for sure and the bottom line on this is that was in fact approved by the Food and Drug Administration in a randomized control trial well Joe we do have a question from Arlington Texas Mark Welcome to the People's pharmacy high a love love your show thank you my question is is we're talking about fish oil and fish oil often on what quantities we actually talking about and what were the tested quantities. Well that is such a great question as Dr Low Dong pointed out very often there are different doses tested in these various randomized controlled trials so there wasn't a single dose that was tested but I think you have to get up to like a thousand to two thousand and I think it is milligrams John and sometimes three thousand to get some of the effects that people have determined in studies Oh you know what I would suggest mark if you go to Pub Med online you will find the article that Doctor Joann Manson in her colleagues wrote in the American College of Cardiology no journal of the American Heart Association. I will also put a link to that after the show I'll I'll put a link on our show page so that you can get to it easily without searching through pubmed which is an interesting thing to do if you have a little time and it may even be a free full text and it'll tell you all about these thirteen thirteen randomized control trials involving one hundred twenty twenty seven thousand four hundred seventy seven participants so in your search on pubmed put in Manson M. A. N. S. O. N. and then the number one to seven four seven seven and it should come right up at the top you guys are wonderful thank you thank you so much for the call we appreciate it bye bye and we're to nail now terry well shall we try lady's Island South Carolina you bet angel welcome to the People's Paramus hey there how are you doing well hope you are angel what's on your mind well I have Lupus and I have take several supplements and two of them are driving me crazy one is potassium and for some I'm reason it seems to be my body seems to be draining it or taking it out some way it's always really low and and the other one is vitamin E. Because Lupus and everything I'm not supposed to hang out in the sunshine and him though Bobby most and I want to know if the better take supplements twice a day and they look like horse pills or to have an infusion ooh that actually is not a question we can answer angel because your situation is different from most people's the lupus which has increased your aid for potassium Maine's luckily luckily it sounds like your doctor is monitoring you closely but you should probably talk to your doctor about that and if he or she doesn't know the answer her ask for a nutrition consultation you may have to travel off of Lady's island to get to such a an expert but it probably would be worth doing so that you know what is exactly the right thing to do you know one of the challenges with potassium angel is that it's like the three bears and the Parche and goldilocks it can't be too much it can't be too little it has to be just right and that's the kind of thing that only your physician is going to be able to a monitor and be make sure you're getting enough because there are some people who are taking medications such just give an example the ace inhibitors you know like listen Abril if you were to take a drug like cotrimoxazole which which is an antibiotic your potassium levels can go sky high and that can cause an irregular heartbeat even cardiac arrest so potassium too too much is bad too little as bad it has to be just right thank you so much for the call where to next here. I think we'll talk to Tom in Marietta the Ohio Tom Welcome to the People's pharmacy. Hello Hi have you got a question okay okay my question is this this book about the the supplements equality you just tell them that sounds wonderful consumer so confused about their the juice and and talk about the doctor Linus Pauling in the seventies was permitting how wonderful vitamin C he spoke at college and I had nutritionists who had a radio show in New York City and he said for every vitamin you have to match up the minerals and stuff and I as I said he said you magnesium especially and he said well that may very well be true we need more research so how's the confused consider figured out that's why this book sounds wonderful to work with that it is actually wonderful so you can you you can buy it or you can go to your local library they should have a copy it's called fortify your life and the author is Dr to Rony Low dog now one of the things that so interesting about Dr Low dogs book is she has a an appendix where she discusses how medications can affect your need for vitamins and minerals so for example we were just talking about potassium and how ace inhibitors can affect potassium asked him well there other categories of blood pressure pills called diuretics I'm sure you've heard of hydrochlorothiazide when people take diuretics or ace inhibitors like the Senate bill they may deplete their body of zinc and so you you need to be that's one of those minerals like magnesium that doesn't don't get very much respect and so you may need a supplement of zinc an in the back of her book she'll tell you all about the most common medications that can affect minerals and vitamins and Terry we're GONNA be talking shortly with David Light about renovating it's an h two antagonist. It's a a drug that's often taken for heartburn and indigestion well the other class the Proton pump inhibitors PPI's like nexium and private in practice at those drugs can deplete the body of Vitamin B twelve and if you're also taking the foreman which is a diabetes drug you are potentially in trouble for Lucie that crucial be vitamin you could indeed get low on B twelve and show also magnesium is a potential problem with Proton in pump inhibitors eight four seven to three three six six is the number to call if you'd like to join the conversation and coming up as joe mentioned we will be talking about the heartburn medicine ren new to deem and we hope that you will find it interesting because it's kind of scary you're listening to the People's pharmacy with Joe and Terry Graydon this people's pharmacy podcast is brought to you in part by Verizon Dot Com there is on a lab offers home health tests that that allow you to monitor your hormones and health conditions you can take control of the quantitative assessment of your health and learn about male and female hormone on balance the Stress Hormone Cortisol Leaky Gut Gluten intolerance or your gut microbiome take a more active role in tracking your health health and take twenty percent off your first order of a male intesting opportunity with the discount code people that's upper case p. e. l. p. l. e. to learn more go to verizon dot com that's V. E. R. I S. A. N. A. dot com welcome welcome back to the People's pharmacy. I'm Terry Great Joe Graydon the People's pharmacy is brought to you in part by COCO via offering plant-based nutrients in the form of Cocoa Coco flavonoids for brain and Heart Health Online at C. O. C. O. A. VIA DOT COM and by Kaya -biotics addicts probiotic products made in Germany from certified organic ingredients K. A. Y. A. -biotics dot com also oh by mighty Muscat grape seed and skin products natural supplements Ju- snacks and more containing antioxidants that research indicates may support cardiovascular killer immune system in joint health information online at mighty Muscadet wine dot com we've been talking today about supplements but now now it's time to change gears you may have heard of the reflects medicine remitting or you might know it by its brand name Zantac last month many companies pulled they're renovating off pharmacy shelves because it was found to contain a probable carcinogen N. G. M. MM-HMM A we're talking with the head of the pharmacy that uncovered this problem if you have a question or a comment about Zantac or renovating you can in call eight eight eight four seven to three three six six you can also send us an email radio at people's Pharmacy Dot Com David David Light a biotech entrepreneur and scientist is the founder and CEO of Valor and online pharmacy that puts medications it's too rigorous chemical analysis before sending them to consumers welcome to the People's Pharmacy David Light Thank you very much for having me David this crazy nitrosamine contamination things started over a year ago it involved some blood pressure medications that were made in China and India how did volition poor and please tell us what Valla sure is get involved in testing four four nitrosamine contamination sure val sure is an online pharmacy that's attached and local laboratory so we're actually the first pharmacy online or not that is actually chemically testing what's inside medications for every single batch of every single medication that comes to our pharmacy and so one of the obvious places for us to look for what's actually going on in those medications is the nitrosamine contaminants and how how did that all come about well the as you mentioned about a year ago of more than a year ago there was the first findings beings of these nitrosamine contaminants like NDA which are extremely potent carcinogens and it seemed to have been linked to some manufacturing factoring changes overseas in China now it looks like it was even broader than that and when they switched over these solvents kind of everything everything else changed in the system of manufacturing and these contaminants were made and just weren't picked up for years I mean it's it's kind of like if you're cooking ebb and water and now all of a sudden you decided changed cooking oil it's still an egg that you're making but obviously it's going to taste quite different in there's a lot of different chemistry that happens and what were the drugs involved and how many people do you think were involved in taking them so originally it was found in val certain and then it continued to expand into low oh certain and herbs certain millions of Americans take these drugs now very interestingly a your company company announced that it had found one of these nitrosamine contaminants at high levels in a drug that used not one of these certain blood pressure medicines the drug is renewed a team we know it by its brand name as Zantac it's a drug that's often prescribed for for heartburn what prompted you to test renting so as part of Val Shire's pharmacy we test samples from every single batch of all medications that come through and we added this Carcinogen Analysis Technology Oh gee earlier this year and actually one of our co founders Adam his infant daughter was prescribed reading so you'll a lot of people know it as Zantac back from over the counter but it's also one of the top fifty most prescribed medications in the United States that used to be one of the number one prescriptions in the world a number of decades ago and currently it's also been prescribed to infants and pregnant mothers and so when we added this carcinogen analysis to our standard ended workflow earlier this year we actually were testing Grenadians one of the first drugs because of Adam's infant daughter he must have been shocked yeah we were all quite shocked to to see the initial data I mean we were running the the standard FDA protocol at the time for the analysis of NDA May we're also ISO accredited laboratory that's accreditation from the International Organization for Standardization specifically for the analysis of India may okay so using this FDA standard protocol We were detecting millions of nanograms of India May when the FDA maximum permissible permissible exposure was ninety six so literally tens of thousands of times higher detection of India may then what was permissible bull which was extremely shocking and repeated analysis many times and even ask external laboratory to to confirm and it was quite clear that this this was The the the correct results well that is so confusing because the FDA has not agreed with you why not well so turns out there's really two fundamental problems going on however one root cause and one one of these problems much worse than others so that the problem that the FDA has been talking a lot about his a contamination and honestly we didn't even see this as a contamination originally weren't even looking looking for contamination the much worse problem than contamination which which really was the issue that we just talked about with Valves Arden Arden this was bad manufacturing hiring practices in in plants in China and overseas and you had this additional contaminant from the process that stuck around in the pills and obviously you don't want that but that is dependent on how is manufactured who made it which lots which pills however in the case of renovating this contaminant seems to be just a byproduct of the root problem the root cause which is that the drug itself is extremely unstable the the molecule of renovating has both the end and the DNA of India may the carcinogen and so really by using using the FDA Standard Protocol time what we discovered is that the drug can actually react with itself not just with components that might in your stomach or enzymes in your body but even reacting with itself in an incredibly efficient reaction with a very short exposure a to heat kind of the standard the using these analytical conditions that were part of the FDA standard was forming these millions of nanograms grams of India may but that's a very important point because it really underscores that the molecule is so unstable it can actually react with itself we tested it not only tablets but also pure reference standard so there's nothing else in that test other than just the molecule there's no fillers no excipient or other ingredients in there you're just the the stable solvent and the drug which is reacting with itself but now the second problem which we add value certainly think is much much worse than contamination is the fact that this instability happens not just in this kind of high heat condition of a standard lab analysis Alice's but also in the human body and in this case of of concern over knitting instability in the human body there's actually thirty seven in years of scientific research concerned about this so it's not just that vouchers raising the arm on a completely new finding that it's absolutely shocking it is a shot and finding but it's been researched by laboratories all over the world in a variety of different conditions in animals conditions mimicking the human stomach which we also did and found hundreds of thousands of nanograms of DNA but most recently in two thousand sixteen there is actually actually a clinical study done in humans so it's very hard to reproduce laboratory conditions of something to mimic the human body it is practically impossible impossible you can take many best guesses as you can which obviously we did also stomach conditions but the ultimate test is obviously the entire human human body in a clinical study approved by an internal review board which was done at Stanford University and what this study showed was that when you take a single pill Zantac one hundred and fifty milligram Zantac and then measure your urine so they looked at ten healthy individuals individuals five men five women and measured the urine content of Endiama the carcinogen and it had increased from baseline levels of round one hundred nanograms the FDA acceptable limit to over forty thousand nanograms by taking a single oh pill and this is extremely alarming not only is forty thousand anagrams in your urine extremely alarming but only about one percent or less of India may that's exposed in a body actually makes it to urine what Andy May does it sticks to DNA and mutates it which is what makes it such potent carcinogen so it's sticking to DNA throughout your body and only one percent of it is making it into urine which suggests ests quite strongly that there's actually millions of nanograms of India may being formed in your body which from our chemical laboratory tests showed that the drug August definitely capable of forming these millions nanograms David liked the food and drug administration says don't worry be happy such low levels you don't have have to worry and people have been exposed to this drug now for decades millions of people how do you respond to the FDA's don't worry message so I think it's definitely concerning I think tens of governments over the world have done recalls all the a lot of major companies in the United States states have done recalls the fact that this drug is given to infants and pregnant mothers I think it's definitely concerning and Patients should if they're concerned talk to their doctors about alternatives are many alternatives out there for the conditions that the Zantac and indeed are meant for you've submitted to the Food and Drug Administration a citizen's petition calling for the removal of all products en Zantac the brand name and and you've called for very careful disposal of those products because of the carcinogen content how is the FDA responded to your your petition so it seems that so far the FDA has at least made some announcements about there being being India may in knitting products they've recently updated their announcement to say that there are unacceptable levels of NDA whereas I he said they were low now they're saying they're unacceptable however that there has not been a call from the FDA on recalls you did have only a few days later after the FDA announcement September thirteenth you had Health Canada that came out September seventeenth and issued a complete ban on all distribution of reneging throughout Canada

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Episode 71: Maximum Security, Bing Crosby, Whitney

Racing Rundown: A Horse Racing Podcast

43:44 min | 4 months ago

Episode 71: Maximum Security, Bing Crosby, Whitney

"All right. Welcome back to racing rundown episode number seventy one, we got a lot of stuff to get to today. Don't want to waste much time. We are going to spend a little bit more time than we usually do talk about the racist from this past week, but it does warrant conversation. So we felt we would take the time to do that, and then we're going to get into stakes action for this coming weekend. Racing at del Mar and Saratoga across the country. So we got all that to look forward to but with all that being said, let's get into the racist from last week in the first one that we're going to talk about is actually one of the reasons that we only have positive things to say about. That would be the San Clemente which was won by Laura's light she. She's turned into a really consistent Morris over the past couple of races and you know it was really nice to see her her do her thing. I don't really have too much to say about her I wanted to just give her credit for the win and say that you know she built herself up into being a really nice force I'll give eric the opportunity to say, say a few things about her but nice to see her win and. Very happy with the performance that she turned in this weekend. Ultra impressive. Win she just. Has can be you can't knock on that. She's going to be running the delmore oaks likely next in a my own age graded stakes winner there when she wanted critic ten. Anita. Before the San Clemente. Is probably her Max who knows maybe down the road if he keeps me dinner the girls that she continues to do how she's been doing it. Her entire career may just see your challenge the boys at some point down the road 'cause obviously, there's no good British upgrades for her to try. So that's just a fun. Thought I. Think she has the power to do that I imagine this year though reasons like dumber oaks, the matriarch wait on the line are the target for her I also have to give credit to a horse right? Roy always liked to walk from the third placement ward showtime very consistent. Just a fun to watch especially if you've got to watch. For parents clubhouse riding warrants Banadir run. About five, six years ago You know just how fun these connections and how fun that billion. So cheesy consistent wanted to continue watching if you haven't already been. Moving onto the next race, the other greatest steak del Mar, and this is going to be the really unpopular segment on the show I did mention we did have a lot to say about some racists from this past week and in this is the first one and we've got a lot of not nice things to say and we're going to send them all. We're not. We're not going to thumper out here. We're going everything a lot of negativity. In, this from the perspective of maximum security and just the thing I don't usually sound off on the opinions, a other people in the industry, but just the fact that it was so out there and the bravado of a lot of people in the industry about this performance by maximum security was absolutely mind numbing for me. You know maximum security coming into this race I picked him last week and I'll be honest with that. I wasn't expecting to get a great performance out of maximum security. I wasn't expecting a Florida Derby level race I I probably think that's his most impressive visually but expecting into at least come off the layoff and look somewhat competent in this race. which is not what happened and you know any characterization that other than it was a really really subpar performance. He couldn't get past a horse who is a great to winner yes, Midcourt court but he's running in California and he's super inconsistent on the California circuit and the California circuit is not known for having extremely competitive. Older male route races and Midcourt isn't very consistent at that level. So there was strike one against maximum security and the fact that he took an entire stretch to get past him and he only beat Midcourt by knows, is another thing that you look at the time was extremely Slow for race of this caliber, and then also the one other point that I do want to address is Making a comparison to another horse in the Bob Baffert Barn that was coming in to his most recent win the Hollywood gold. Cup. I'm talking about improbable in a very similar situation. The maximum security was he was coming in the race with a lot of question marks. He hadn't won a graded stake since his two year old win-loss ominous fraternity and he took care of business. He won the Hollywood gold, Cup by three and a half links at in that particular race he beat Midcourt by twenty two and a half lengths midcourt finished fifth of six horses beaten by the likes of Brown storm and tenfold in that race So not your high caliber horses that you'd want. Be Be finishing ahead of you if you consider yourself top horse. So that is the horse that maximum security barely went by and took an entire length of a stretch to get a nose in front of If you took any other horse in the country and you ran maximum security at any of the top level horses on the Handicap Division, your Tom's Day ties, your code honors you're by my standards you run maxim securities race in San, Diego or the maximum security that showed up in San. Diego against that, how many of those horses are you going to take maximum security against and the answer should be zero because that performance did not warrant any consideration for being taken. To take maximum security against a horse of the level of Tom State talk if you were to run a horse like improbable or Mackenzie or even game winner in this race it would be the type of race where you would look at this and look at that and say that was a bad effort. But for some reason, maximum security is getting pass for this for whatever reason I'm not going to dive into that too much. But the reality is that this is not a good race for maximum security. Let's call it like. It is maximum security couldn't get could barely got by a horse that can't win a grave one against grass horse at Santa Anita that's the way that it is. It's not nice. A lot of people aren't going to like that I understand that but I'm calling it like it is. So if you don't like it a policies, but that's just the way that it is but Eric does have some nice things to say about able sedillo Bob Baffert. So I will turn it over to him to get a little bit of positivity in this. The and I I fully agree with what Jackson we'll add one more thing before I get some more positive notes on this race. I've seen a lot of people saying. This was being tenable ten. He's north in tenements eleven races. Why are we not him? It's one clear day writing is right on the wall why we are knocking his horse none of those races before that San Diego Madams it's a blank slate. I don't care what you think I don't care when you say that's a fact and less you condone what? Jason Service Kid? which that's a whole another discussion. But if you are saying that match them securities racist before the San. Diego counted then you're implying that would jason service did was not that bad in your one hundred percent wrong in that case onto the nice things now with Bob Baffert Listen however, you view him, the guy can train and have a horse that one hundred percent more word from Jason's services now was chemically enhanced. Tune, effective where he can can contend almost you know wouldn't cross the line person that Kentucky Derby for him to get that horse. You probably was not super You know in good physical shape after being taken off all those things of for him to have this horse ready alcohol pretty credible. The fact he had this horse ready to go run that kind of race horse looked great I for some people say the horse looked a little on vicar side meal maybe a little fat you're cleaner than he did with service. So I don't really know where that's coming from Babbel has its worst fit and ready for this race and able to deal. He's gotten the group of. Of the negativity of for winning the race and that is just don't get. If you know how to watch said you know how to analyze horse race you know that Won The race for maximum security he sent you got you broke really well Adam Upfront in through the opening hundred yards or so Nicorette spinoza comes in sends midcourt on the outside. He wanted maximum security to get into a speed duel and you wanted him to get out then then. Okay. So do you I guess wrote a bad race because he took his horseback and avoided the speed you'll, and then when when Flavian Pratt higher power up on the outside to do doesn't want to be in that pocket. He doesn't WanNa be trump on the rail. So he takes the Horse even further act in switches a mouse guess what he won the race for crying. Out Loud you can adjust he can jump off the horse off back on if that's legal in if you still race, why are you going to knock him? He won the race. So it's just nonsense as people looking for a scapegoat because his horse didn't win by five lengths because for some reason, that's what people expect it give credit to the people who deserve the credit because they got the job done it won the race you can all be happy for the time being. And I will add one thing to the sedillo thing if he goes up there and gets in a speed duel, you're killing him one way or the other you know everyone wants to hang able Sedillo now and you know if he had gone up there gotten a speed duel in maximum security head run fourth beaten six lengths by mid court and higher power or beaten by higher power because he in mid cork tire themselves out, you would still be killing him for that ride in the race. So honestly I feel bad for able because he was damned if he didn't damned if he didn't and. He really shouldn't I. It's not his fault. I put it this way. It's not able to deal fault that maximum security was not one hundred percent of what maximum security was back with. Jason. Service because for some reason, people were expecting the at that Erica's absolutely right anyone who is expecting to get the maximum security that we had gotten in previous races. You're completely ridiculous to expect that and if you expect maximum security to be competitive in any grade one race outside of California in the coming weeks then you've got another thing Comin' because he's not going to be with that effort he would not be any talking to cap horse in the United States of America this year. So switching gears to the other side of the country and talking about. The two stakes from Saratoga. This weekend, we actually got some nice things to say about sister Charlie, the two thousand eighteen breeders cup. Turf winner in the Eclipse Award. Champion. Female grass worst winter two, thousand, eighteen There was a lot of disrespect for her after this race for whatever reason I don't really understand again another reason why I don't understand why so many people were not I don't say impressed with it but didn't recognize the reason sister Charlie lost the race listen. You know we we've mentioned this before Chad Brown is a really good trainer off the layoff. That's fine. Six Charlie, was coming into this race off of eight month layoff where she had a rabbit entered in this race for her and the rabbit completely didn't factor so. It was a little bit of a mini shining copper. If you remember the two Thousand Fifteen Breeders Cup turf where North Broadway went went out there and Joel Rosario and how your Cold The bluff of Chad round, and so they took back, which is what you would expect them to do as really talented riders to not go up there and get an speed with north Broadway just to set the race up for sister Charlie to win so that really unravel the race for her when the paste setup her, it is also worth mentioning that sister Charlie, this would not have been in an ideal. Situation for Chad Brown, the race that he would have picked for sister Charlie come comeback in This is a mile and a sixteenth at Saratoga and it's very obvious. She was closing in the race that she needed more ground in this race and you know that's been the story of sister Charlie's career. You know you go back to some for big wins including the turf Churchill downs in two, thousand, six, the eighteen. Mile and three eighths she needed every bit of that distance. She won the race by a neck and that's not disrespect assessor Charlie. That's just the way the way that she runs her races. So you know she's in this race and it's not her first choice of race that is not necessarily an excuse for her but you know Chad had deal with the the blows that he was dealt entered her. In this race and to say that she's not you know I'm not saying she's an eclipse award or level winner. Breeders Cup winner this year. But to say this is Charlie ran a bad race would be doing a disservice to her so that's all I have to say about Charlie credit to the winner starship jubilee I was intrigued by her I didn't want to go against sister Charlie in this spot but. Obviously Hindsight's twenty twenty but I knew there were some things that I liked about starship jubilee credits to her. She's been really good You know another example of course has been consistent for awhile and gets a win in a race like this. So I'll give eric the opportunity to talk a little bit more about starship jubilee. I. Just wanted to make that point about sister Charlie. I agree with tag on Sister Charlie. She had a lot of excuses. I won't go deeper into it. This jack covered all the bases but she had her excuses needed more ground was the biggest deal for shortage jubilee This is just A fun. From Mariner here she does the job. She's so consistent talk for this year we can't knock for that and she just got better with age you super good Super Fun to watch. It's fun story. It's always nice to see You know lesser known connections You know winning these big races Um on the big days and hopefully it will get a US grade when hopefully I imagine that the debris. On the radar obviously, there's nice races like the Canadian and Taylor, which one last year at Woodbine in the fall this year. For her to target but hopefully, they consider the reader stuff with her and I have to mention how how lucky we are to have this philly because it's always talked about how she was claimed in February of two point seventeen for sixteen thousand dollars. I've kind of one of biggest claim to fame from sixteen thousand our claim to winning over one point five million dollars Brady stage after graded states and eventual winner little do people realize she claimed office luckily via the guitar to own your of true train in a partially own starship jubilee claim this mayor off Hor Hainault Varo in God only knows where this where this horse would have ended up. Patchy Ben. In that Barnstorming, they've never gotten to see how great she really was had. She lasted in our barn. So I'm very thankful. I can just kind of A. You know things working out for for the better. You know a good story I guess coming from from now all that drama we do have one really good horse that. Got Out of that situation after only one start in that barn and has turned out to be this amazing horse and I also give credit to the Palmy. Well, she's been very consistent losing to the likes of rushing fall into now. Start Jubilee in two or three US starts that's nothing to knock you off and finally the last race from Saratoga from this weekend was the great one Alfred Vanderbilt. Only four horses went to the post for this race saw LEXA Tony was a late scratch. I was four. Eighty. All these horses will actually going this result volatile was the only one that wasn't a grade when exiting this race, all four are now grade one winners and Eric will actually be the one who will defend volatile from that. Surprisingly, you wouldn't think that a horse that runs a really really good race at six furlongs. Saratoga you wouldn't think that he'd be having naysayers upper he beat three grade one winners A. High level stakes race. The Vanderbilt. Volatile did have his. His naysayers this week and I'll give Eric the respond to that. But good good race turn in by volatile. He's a really fun horse. He's ultra-consistent. His may have to go past wrongs but it doesn't really look like that's going to be much of an issue for him down the road excited to see what will get from him and definitely definitely wanted to look out for come Breeders Cup time. Very, impressive win in. The naysayers were quite a few. I won't lie I saw probably more than eight offer sister Charlie which I think says a lot but. I they were just unimpressed visually, but here's the thing a horse. Senate goes twenty, three and two for the opening quarter and forty six and three for the opening half mile in its sixth grade. One Sprint is not gonNA finish super easily he's he's just loping along. He's just GonNa? Do enough if he gone no forty four for the half mile. Yeah, you will be finished up really nicely. But when you go that slow, he's just kinda relaxing he's not going to do more than he needs to do and I think people were just. A little unimpressed visually, which I can understand he's done better but mind you he beat Whitmore Mind Control in forensic fire. I don't even have to elaborate on what they've done because if you're listening to this, you know what they've done their very impressive horses always put in amazing performances and their two of them are even worse that Saratoga ready so I think the the knocking of this is ridiculous And I'M GONNA credit who made this point I believe it was a Derosa from twin spires. WHO said who responded to someone who said they were just not impressed with that race saying. Howard not impressed watching a horse that has that much speed that we've seen in its past races in races like Aristotle and those allowance. When's he just has pure speed is flying along how were you not impressed watching that worst relax. Easily as you did and finish with the power he did like that I think that's very That's an unbeatable point there when you put it that way I hadn't even thought of that when you put it that way, it's like, wow, this is very good. Think about all the speed he was containing able to relax a horse when much pure speed and raw -bility is able to settle in be h as volatile was there's no telling what he can do in the future doubt as the super impressive would also one. Thing, that we do have to get to start this backup last week now that we do have a large volume of two year old races Eric Lights to do it. Eric. The Big Maiden Guru likes to go through and touch on some impressive maiden winners from past weekend. So give Eric the opportunity to do that. Now before we get into the racist coming up for this weekend. Yeah. Things things are really ramping up we had. I believe Ellis had five or six this past weekend Saratoga. A Lot. A lot of New York breads as well as open company. Dome. I I, my horses I liked they're allowed to choose from this weekend, I'M GONNA go in depth onto, and then I'll touch on two others very quickly But so the first one I really liked for for Dale Romans girl daddy she wanted at Ellis this past weekend very impressive win first time out she scratched from a maiden race at Churchill, a couple of weeks ago and she instead ran here. Of course like that to win I out very impressive. A nice pedigree I choose five, hundred, thousand dollars, yearling purchase. All family owned the likes of Dennis Moment. not this time Brody's todd. So really good connections behind in Philly and I that winner for del Romans very impressive next pedigree as well being by Uncle Mo some really nice names on the damn site as well. So the very nice very nice pedigree on this. Silly very nice winter I doubt expect your two point for some big rigs is down the road other horse from the Wesley Ward actually same exact connections at last year's Cup juvenile turf sprint winner four wheel drive is name is out the door I winner for work as the Shire Not A. Pet Pedigree but he physically nice course at twenty sold for two hundred, ninety thousand dollars as a yearling. Keeneland I think connects US four wheel drive. They said the first winter I went wire-to-wire Senate pretty quick pace and he did it very impressively. This is one to watch out for for sure as we get closer to the juvenile turf sprint, which is quickly becoming one of my favorite breeders, Cup, races, it's always very Beat a very group group in the process I think you're going to have a lot of next out winners from his race there a couple of others I want to touch on. There was a nice main winner at Monmouth. A quality competition obviously much less, but her name is flight to Shanghai Super Impressive Connections Attorney graded stakes obviously didn't be much but that was a nice win for her nonetheless and on the other one this is one that's just fun for me Jack because we despite not being able to you know live through it we we really appreciate and enjoy watching racist from the eighties ninety s looking at history from then we had made in when our two year old winner over the weekend for. Win Lucas in Peter Brand. which is a Combo most Miller probably with Gulch the nine hundred ninety Scott Sprint winner of name notary he won going a mile at Ellis Street sense big purchase price just fun to see those two to a chemo for a window with a nice young two year old who knows maybe we'll the breeders cup juvenile I came under this fall two other quick notes American Farrell got his first two winners of the year one in. Ireland wanted Japan, both Games are grid one winners So horse still gal four follow overseas racing and uncle Mo. he actually had a winner in the UK which is not very common but choosing how good of a sire uncle Moe's to have winters on multiple services across multiple continents and that's the last from the racist. This past weekend we're going to be moving on and talking about some of the races for this week and we're going to first talk about. Two of the stakes races at del Mar degrade grade one bing crosby. But first, we're gonNA talk about the. It's still ungraded, but it does have fifty Kentucky Derby points attached to. The shared beliefs stakes I did a preview for this over on Youtube. So if you WANNA go here, how super unenthusiastic about the the projected forces that we're going to get in this race because, there are six horses entered, but the best horse entered uncle chuck is like scratch and run in the travers stakes there some. News floating around the Ano- doors probably GONNA scratch for the Ellis. Park Derby. So I will lose two horses out of this race. But you know even if Anno door would on, it would only be a five horsfield none of the horses in this race None of the five had been super impressive to either of US at least publicly Eric has probably been a bigger. Naysayer of honor ap both have never been super high on him. Never Been Super High on the Horse. Is Probably GonNa be the second choice of the three point eight, million dollar yearling purchase Cezanne. Who is to for two but his two wins have not been great Adopt been great efforts for him. A thousand words. Also in here he's agreed to winter but thousand words has been. Seen better days since his two greatest stakes wins in the winter and then kiss today goodbye who knows with him he's a one time winner. But, you know anything can happen race like this ultimately as unenthusiastic as I am about Cezanne I'm a little bit more doubtful about honor ap being able to get the setup and erase this there. It's only going to honestly probably be the example of who gets to lead and who can you know I don't really think there's going to be speed tool and I don't think honore. P. would be. Able to get to the front in a race like this. So that's why I ultimately went with Sesana. If you want more my reasoning on in-depth analysis of these forces than definitely had over Youtube and check that out. But I don't really like either of these two favorites in here if uncle chuck does for some reason changes planes and run here, I will one hundred percent take him to huge in this race. I've kind of been dreaded talking about this race on the podcast because I don't have a lot of Nice things to say I'm a big college football fan and this is something I just thought of in my head and whole imagine some most people listen out there watch some amount college football understand what I'm saying. To me, this race would be like two teams from the American conference like. Central Florida in. MEMPHIS. Both undefeated in the conference championship game playing each other and whoever wins people would say they deserve to be in the College Football playoff and then when they get to the College Football playoff, which I guess is equivalent to the Kentucky Derby Right. Now, they get absolutely throttled by actually good teams that is kind of how I envision this this race right here I there's really no portion this race I like. But. I'm Kerry talent. Onery he's definitely the best so far that we've seen realistically. I really wish uncle chuck could win to kind of prove it these horse I've been very vocal about my displeasure grew it on t. with Cezanne those are really the two big ones. The other words I'm okay with but I know they're probably not much better than those horses So I'm just GonNa you know bite the bullet take on right? P. In reality I'm just going to be watching this race with with disdain knowing that they're going to win thirty employees impressively against that group knowing that they're not going to have much. Of Much of a say in the Derby outcome and the next reason we're going to talk about the other race that we have from del Mar is the one being crosby a winning you're in for the Breeder's Cup sprint. We actually recorded this segment yesterday when we did the podcast originally but Mackenzie scratched out so we decided we'd go back and reevaluate this race from the position of no Mackenzie in this race so even without Mackenzie this is still a very, very fun race Oh, it will be ultimately end up being nine horses but. Nine horses integrate one sprint at del Mar definitely not something to complain about, and there's really good horses in here underneath both of us were intrigued by collusion illusion. I ultimately went with Mackenzie just because I respected the glassy eyed. But now without Mckinsey here, it's not the collusion. Allusion is essential lock by any means but you know you look at him news four for four at sprint distances two wins this year he's been very good. He hasn't necessarily been beating the greatest of horses but that's not necessarily something that I'm going to knock him here in this race other than him also, I wanNA mention fashionably fast who ran second behind Mackenzie in the triple bed that was a very credible second and prior to that race he'd had a lot of winning efforts so. Fast as another horse it definitely underneath. Is One to consider considering there's also other really really good horse in here lexa Tony is another one that's not going to get a lot of credit because he doesn't necessarily have the winds. LEXA Tony usually runs. Some nice races he was scratched out of the Vanderbilt. Last weekend came out here. Be Ashamed to see what we get from him but even without Mackenzie this is still really fun race. Yeah really fun. If you want more my. Views on it then you can go check out my preview over on Youtube. But. Yeah. I go collusion allusion over Mackenzie, even before the scratch. I. Dislike how he's been a he's been running like that already has the win against older horses. It's really good now with the Mackenzie get a little bit more of. You know try to spice things of I think that wild man he's either going to be you know your second choice or he's going to be you know ten twelve to one I don't really know there's going to be in between but I think you'll be a nice price. I think people shy away from him because he's never ran on dirt. So while men Jackson I think people should consider and if you WANNA know why once again, go check out that Youtube preview I, I point out a lot of things that you can. Really. Things that bode really well for him heading into this race, and also really like fashionably fast he's just a very classy and. Very consistent a sprinter I don't know if he has the chance to win because he's drawn inside and you might be getting stuck in a speed duel, but he's a hard fighter and he's one at least to consider underneath. So now we're going to switch gears and move on and talk about the stakes races coming up at Saratoga. It's a really fun card. You know obviously, we only have time to talk about the fourth St graded stakes races on this card, but you know if you're just watching. This from the perspective of Fan, I would definitely encourage you go look at some of the other entries for some. The underneath raises because there's some really really good. There's a listed race also on this card, and then there's some really good allowances and you even some two year old maiden races. So definitely pay attention car this fun card regardless of what the stakes have but the first of the four we're going to talk about is the grade to bowling green and you know this is a very. Funny Race to look at because a lot of the Horse in here have been around for a long time. There's two three, three, seven year olds in two more six year old horses in here, and now a lot of horses are winning at high percentages. There's a Lotta as Eric said, we were going over this race amongst ourselves. There's a lot of twenty-five percenters in this race. Grizzled veterans you guys probably remember the five channel maker the six average joy they've been running for a long time. I actually slather stories the horse I ultimately went with and it's not because I think very highly of Sadler's joy. It's just because I don't really like any of the other horses in this race to too much I am willing to give joy the credit for his last three races. He's been thirds in all three of them and he ran a very credible third in the Manhattan last out the Tiller was also a good race. And then you know he has some success at Saratoga Saratoga including the sword dancer in two thousand seventeen. So ultimately, I respect him for his efforts that he's had at Saratoga. Again, he was second in the Sword Dancer last year. He's been through three good place efforts here including a really good last out in Manhattan. So it's not that I overly like him. It's just that I. don't really respect any of the other horses race enough to go with them. So I, went with joy but there's a lot of lot of routes you can go here. Purely cuzner just very consistent but. I mean, these are the horses we have in front of us, and there are one of them's going to pick up a nice to win I. Think I was really worried as we going into this at least recording this about the to cross border. On paper looks really good. He ran on July twenty second. He's only going to have ten days. Of a layoff before he runs this race and that's a little concerning. But one that very well and Mike makers just a good trainer does the job well, every time I don't think he'd be running in here if a can be wasn't. Confident horse run his best grace I will say that might make her has multiple horse in this race. So perhaps this this can be. however, I don't know that super likely I thought because the same connections do have the one low but cross-border winter last time out four for four. It's Era Toga is career that obviously very nice and he the one from one going the distance island three eight when he wanted allows Ecuador last fall in two thousand, nineteen He also was meeting just a link in the Manhattan was only second beating the neck in the WWL McKnight earlier on in the year January I I imagine he'll be favored because he's looking really good but on paper tardy go against him. Calgary, we'll throw some value out there the seven pillar mountain. This is a horse standing all the distance. You can get two for three with a second going a mile and three in his career. He has a win at Saratoga over the distance in the surface came off a long layoff to run A. I mean, it was just a sub par six against a tough group. Last time that was going a mile in eight and he needs a lot of ground as I said and I think I'm getting a backup to the smile and three eighths. He's going to be in a very good spot to a Toronto grace here and of one last point to you know back up hill to starts ago when he ran in November he was stirred the point of entry at Akwa Duct not many people probably don't remember that race, but the runner up Peret has come back to you on. The Tiller at Belmont and then almost one the United Nations a couple of weeks ago. So so good for behind Tiller Mountain and I think he's a long shot to consider the next race that we're going to get to ease the first of the three grade ones. The Allen Jerkins on this has the most horses in it of three grade wants this week and eleven are entered in this race, and again, this is the jerk. Always a really fun race in this year's definitely no exception you've got coming into this race, the number six words no parole last start out in the woody Stevens. Credit to Eric he made this point that you know he. Got An easy lead he'd be able to go a long way in that race. So you know you've got him the horse that I'm looking at and then ultimately we're going to pick in here is ECO town I really like Eco town in this race I remember. Back to last year. With with all the hype going into a lot and not that there's hype on. No parole but chance lot was the big speed horse in the race and it opened it up for a couple of horses to come closing in one of those was mind control and You know I think ECO town has a possibility to do that you. I will mention that in the bachelorette Oakland which race he finished second in prior to his allowance Churchill downs that he was second behind long weekend who did have trouble trip in his most recent start but long weekend is look really good this year So I'm going to go with ECO town because I really like His form and the fact that he's been really consistent overall has not finished out of the money in six starts in his career. So I like Eco town but this is the Allen Jerkins, there's a lot around you can go and it's always. A played play to go with the horses here. That's very true Jack This raises. Every year whether it's on top or underneath the finish is always wild. You're going to have a really big long shot winner or you're GonNa have an very. Well priced winner with a big long dot coming late nothing. That's Kinda how this is going up. This year, that's how it's always shaped up in this race historically, the speed is there I mean, no parole he was GonNa handed the Woody Stephen that I'm not going to discredit him because he was obviously superior on that day very talented sprinter but he he he had no excuses I mean he should have won with the way the race setup for him that's not going to be the case. Unless the writers really don't WanNa go with him again I believe that mission is Alex Tabby to win. They're going to be in the game early you're trying to challenge them even EPO town. I expected probably be just about link there to offer them not on the he's going to be right behind it and it's going to be fast. I like closers in this race. I'm GONNA, take a shot I think if the favorites eatable I'm willing to play against him and I'm GONNA go eight three techniques. long layoff has not rained since March when he was behind it all in the rebel of but he's one off the layoff before and he's to going seven furlongs. He's a winner at Saratoga where he broke his maiden, he's just ransom really nice races I, and he has yet excuse in the rebel when he was way too close to that early pace, he's going to be coming from out at this time round. And the to back in the Smarty Jones he ran on winning race he just couldn't run down the winner is a winner got a very easy lead it's going to set up well for him. I think this horse has a really big chance no parole I know he's going to run a good race he can go as fast as he want. And still as effective no matter the sprint distance six or seven furlongs I just think he has every chance in the world to be mowed down late in this group He's a lock at all. And then I do like Jack Stick Eco town run at least two big race he he's always going to be second to the likes of dough parole a Ni- opinion is a really good horse, but I just have Arkansas Bleeding hill he he'd out and sprints no parole but is always going to run his race. He's always going to be there never out of the money in six career starts and ask for eight range I just. I just don't get I mean that's bad for last time that wasn't impressive and now you're telling me that he's GonNa come up another big way somehow run better against a few other really good horses I don't see. At, all a rings, a gigantic paths for me, and the next recent we have is the group one personal ensign and you know we don't usually like to use the term lock on here but As the Ala Jerkins is very wide open. The person's is not You know obviously, you look at the chart for this race and you see the number three midnight be sue we don't need to go into what midnight who's done in her career. She's back trying to get her second consecutive win in the personal ensign last time out she took care of business in the Florida Lee and she was wrapped up very early in that race. So. Not a lot to go off of at least with that race but we don't need a lot to go off in here because we know what kind of horse midnight zoo as we know the talent we know the classic she has I'm not saying she's a lock, but I can't go against her in this race I, know both of us like point of on our lot she's a nice. Older. Philly. She was a good year last year but I can't go against midnight visa in this. I don't know about Eric but at least for me I'm gonNA. Take midnight the here can't go any other way here for me. Sack, it's IT'S A. Pretty cut and dry. GOING I. The biggest thing is that to knock her, there is no early speed in the race horse in this race as shown speed and this the mayor that used to come from off the pace. But even if you look back to last year's bell name when there was no pace in outrace, she went up and challenge sat second and she won for fun. So I imagine the same trip is in store here in the Ryder switch does not concern me at all Ricardo Santana obviously, very capable in replacement of a Mike Smith. Underneath it. Really. Doesn't matter a whole time. 'cause is just it's midnight easy over point of honor. Those are the two good horses in the race. I mean that the likes of that satit emotion emotion and abounding joy every now, and then they'll run some big races of when given the chance but. Eating. Midnight easy way out of their realm. Running a good second to midnight do is doesn't seem very possible with point of honor in here pretty easy top two for me. And I should mention we will have. Previews on Youtube for these three. Great ones even the ensign. Even though the race does seem like a very cut and dry and the last race we're going to get to is the feature, the grade one, the Whitney Mile Innate eighth on the dirt at Saratoga. Five forces are entered. It's kind of like the offered vanderbilt was last week. They're only five horses entered but all five or really good. Really solid horses. You can make a big chance for a and you know. I have been kind of I'll describe it bullish on time state TA in the past. Not that I didn't buy the hype into him but I always felt at some point, toms data was going to get to the point where. He would be very competitive in these great wines and consistently improved. But I never thought that he would get to the level where he would be a pretty much a cinch integrate one and I'm not saying he's a but there's a lot of people who do think that there's two really good horses underneath him this weekend by my standards and code of honor those two horses and improbable we've talked about him on the grass I have said I will never take improbable in a dirt race without Drayton Van Dyke in the saddle ever no-trade Van Dyke Line through improbable for me Mr.. Botha's Don thing is run well in the past but. You know he's always shown that these great ones. Are above his level. So I think those two are in a little bit over their heads but by my standards code honor, very, very worthy challengers of Thomson and Thomson What can you say about him that has already been said you know he's Ha- has the win streak. He's got the two graded stakes wins and then he also has a grade one. Clark. So lot of good things about. Times daytime. The thing about this race is unlike what we saw last week and these are actually Breeders Cup classic contenders and not pretending to be good horses that have a chance to run to the breeders. Cup. So I just wanted to throw that Little Jab in there I'm GonNa go at times detente here I've been burned in the past going against him I'm not going to be burned again. I kept waiting there GAK and you're you're totally right. This is an actual group. You know legitimate classic contenders not whatever we watched last week and then really a three-horse race three of the horses you could ask for. Right. I mean by my Standards Code wanner antibes top they've all been so good this year an improbable win last time out it was. FG went I I can't. Even, knock them a lot You're just right. Jackie is a little bit in over his head here and I don't like that Drayton then dykes not aboard. I had a hard time separating the top three but I think I'm really just not respecting Tom on my head. I mean forest winning streak to this point. Five of his last six he's a three time winner at Saratoga. In his career out four starts any of the Mayan Eight. It just all turning. I like bond bystanders a lot a horse but I can't. There's nothing that tells you that based off that last race that he can step up and he can actually you know be Thomson. Talk he had every chance to beat him and he got beat on the Tom Data. was just better that day and ask for code honor. I mean, we all know how good he is super to a Toga, his needed win and the travelers He'd been very consistent otherwise he had A. Mile being a little withing probably likes to turns more but. Does that is that really enough to to you know? Shorten the gap him and Tom Ta I. Don't really think. So however, John Velazquez has won this race four times and you know I guess you could say he does like to win the Whitney a lot. So he knows the race Gary Well, so that might give him a chance there but a town detente my in the United States is the better horse and so that's about it for. What we have this week again, lots of fun races one race that we did unfortunately have to leave off the Clement Hirsch. We don't have entries for that yet, but there will be a youtube preview offer that as we mentioned already, the two races at del Mar, those are already up on Youtube and the three Saratoga grade ones will also have their own previews. Those will be up. In a day's time at the most, but some of them will be up probably by the time that this episode is published a, we got the travers next week So we're really excited for that fundraisers races next week and really between now and September and even through September, lots of great races, lots of great racing, and like I mentioned, this card is really fun. We were only able to talk about the stakes races but. Underneath in these allowances, the listed race and even these maidens it's fun. So Watch this card and definitely definitely enjoy because it's a fun car. So we will see you next week. Thanks to stop by and have a good one. Good luck.

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The Best Of The REShow (07-13-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

44:54 min | 4 months ago

The Best Of The REShow (07-13-20)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One production now available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. We wake up every day. We talk show better than a day with workers were willing professionals. Rich Eisen show named. We turn now to Ramona Shelburne of ESPN. Who had the exit interview? If you will Jerry Reinsdorf from the last dance here on the rich Eisen, show, how are you Ramona How you doing doing better for actually hearing your voice, thank you. We appreciate the. Difficulties right there, so was Jerry reinsdorf eager talk and set a record straight Ramona. Did you sense when you spoke to him? Yeah interesting like you know. When I first started to talk to him like he clearly thought about what he wanted to say, it was you know he'd been? He'd watched the the whole series and and kid I kind of had had his thoughts on the matter, and like the first thing that came out of his mouth was like. Can there be any doubt that Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time? That was the first thing he wanted to and he. He would on quite a while about that. and I think that's. What a lot of us sort of felt after watching it right, and then the second part which I had you know. I really pressed him on. Which is look could? Why did it have to end? Why does this have to be the last dance? You know as you as you watch this It's you know it's obvious it's so many of their problems. We're just internal that they. There was a couple of easy solve which you know, just fired general manager. That's the guy that's causing the problems, right and and I think what runs. Our point is is like you know he he. He pointed out to me A. He did. Try to get it back together. Together at the end you went to Mike One July Mike and he said Michael. Don't say anything yet. We're in the middle of a lockout you know. Let me see if I can get bill. And he went back to fill one or two more times, and so trying to get him to come back around, but I think by that point. It was probably, too. Too Late I. Think you know when you play the whole season, and it's the last dance and you say your goodbyes, and like too much blood has been spilled. It was uglier like it was probably too late for Hail Mary Right, but were there times earlier they could have changed things because change history and I I I think there were but I don't. Don't know if it really worked. Right I think that he was getting older. I think and point which is a good one is that you know a lot of a lot of those players? Were you know they didn't really do much after that year? Luc, Longley went to Phoenix and that didn't go well and then Robin play like thirty five more games and. Scottie Pippen had he got paid, but he certainly wasn't. The same Scottie, pippen, left Chicago He had had a history of injury. Steve Kurds Bush those guys moved on like they. They're really it was. It was getting hard to keep that team together at that level and and and you know he's I. Think wrenches. Words were like Michael Really. Had to carry them. Here. They were gas that you know look. How those efforts were against the Pacers and and the Utah Jazz like I mean they barely won that year and it doesn't mean that they wouldn't want again, but you know sometimes you have to look at something and say like. This is. Coming you and I know I remember I remember sitting on sportscenter set. We were all wondering how the how this really going to end you know. Would they really let this thing laps? Essentially is what the concept is, and I understand a lot of these guys didn't do very much, although Kerr did win a championship in the next year with the Spurs and the and the and the shortened season. You know I. Understand that they didn't do very much from there on out, but this is all about having one of the greatest rock and roll if you will tours in the history of sports. And and running it back just for the mere sense of just you gotta see what you have and part of the reason. Why would have been so difficult is obviously pippen and. And Phil having their issues with Jerry Krause. WHO APPEARED REINSDORF? Let do what he wanted to do. So did does Ron store. Accept any if you will responsibility for any of this think. Really I didn't get that from him. You know like I. I pressed right like I. Ask the question, a couple of different ways, and a couple of different, and and part of me is like I think this is just his style I think his. He basically said he went to Jerry and said dock it off. You know you guys are winning. Why are you? Why did you say that aid to comment? He went to fill that. Hey, cross a mismatch. Let's go you know. He kinda wanted them to solve their problems. And and you know I'm always looking at it from sort of a modern viewpoint, which is like through your the owner like just choose between them. And why didn't you choose between them? You know because in this case like not making that decision was making a decision. Right like sometimes when you you know like I tend to be a little. Little bit indecisive when I'm scheduling things right like I I I'm not sure let me see I'll see it a couple of days and a lot of it is just like my own personality, but it's it's somewhat like my job to like. Something might come up and I have a better idea like literally the day as opposed to being a four days out right and. I think Ryan surface the same way I think he just didn't want to swing the Hammer. I think he didn't have to choose between them, so he just simply didn't, and he told them to work it out. He tried to help them work it out and tried to be. The middleman tried to sort of force the issue he he basically told fell like about crowds school coming straight to me. If you have an issue like why? Why can't you work through this right and? You know at some point when you don't make a decision. The decision is made for you and that's that's the story of the bull. Now I look back at this history and I. It just wants the ten parter I see this from a modern NBA viewpoint. There was a way they could have solved, and and I think so much of the the discord came from the situation with Scotty Pippin, where if you just given tipping an extension a couple years earlier. Like you don't even have to do like a five year giant contract. You could have done three years three years fifteen million to season, he would have been happy, and then that whole thing goes away plus I think it was pretty obvious like in watching this that krause was trying to turn the team over before they got all, and he could couldn't get anything for this for the stars right like you you. Wait one year too long now your contracts are big bloated. You can't turn over and use. It takes five years longer to rebuild right. But he's still could have done it. If you did a short term extension with paid in kind of a lot of money, still would have been traded. What about? Boston that they said no to. Because they wanted to give the chance that six run, but like that would have been there the next year. What about this Ramona? Ramona Shelburne here on the on the rich Eisen show as long as as long as we're we're. We're getting in the the DELOREAN here right and we're. We're going back in time. And we set the date to try and change history here. Why not? Why not get because to me? The one of the more shocking moments of the last dance was REINSDORF. REINSDORF basically recounting him telling PIP, don't sign this contract right and he's the one that could have at any point in time told Jerry Krause Jerry. This is ridiculous. We're pissing off somebody. WHO's crucially important to us I want to an I know on breaking precedents and I might be making your job a little bit tougher with other people, but this is Scotty pippin. We're talking about. Extend Him. Let's let's pay him. Let's make sure he's happy. What about doing that? When Jordan retired for the first time and saying Scott? GotTa. You know where you're being underpaid. And now we're asking you to take over for Michael, frigging Jordan. How about you? How about we go back in the DELOREAN and give them the contract extension and make him hole then then he might be getting off the bench with one point four seconds to go, and he's on the floor when coach shock, then maybe he's not GonNa wait till the very last second to get surgery before the last dance. Maybe he's not gonNA fall apart. I, don't you know what I'm saying like? That would be the moment. Yeah and it's interesting. 'cause like I actually understand Ryan source point which was like you know He. He warned him he said don't do it. He actually did the same thing. Jordan the way when Jordan did that contract. You said this is gonNA end up being a bad deal for you if you know where the NBA's going into a revenues going. You shouldn't do this, but if you if you sign this I. Don't want to hear from you again. And he said to Michael's credit he never heard from him and Michael. Michael Wood grouse about it. I mean I know people cover the team back then and they said you know Michael would say. He was under paid for a long time. I'M GONNA, get mine I'M GONNA. Get you know. And? He did okay. I mean think about this. The salary cap at that year ninety eight rich sixty one point six million Michael Jordan made over thirty, million, thirty three that year. Okay, that's more than half the cell. Oh! So that that was that was that was the bull salary. Okay? Sixty one points six, and he made more than half of what the rest of the team made the NBA salary cap for for the for the entire team with twenty six point nine million, but Michael made more as one player then the entire salary cap for most teams right. Okay now. There are those who say well. That's Kinda like the warriors this past year. I mean if they would've you know Durant, Seth Dream on clay that could have been a four hundred million dollars. And the warriors would have paid it because that's what you you. You pay that money to keep a championship team together, but the little different and I'm Gonna I'm I. Don't like to tell billion is how to spend their money on like. Tell anybody. To little different when the players are older, coming off a lot of injuries, right it is. It's like you don't feel as. You don't feel as nervous investing in Draymond, green and Klay Thompson and now they'll got hurt the finals. Okay, so you do a little bit, but but they're younger. They're still you still feel like they have more of their prime I mean this is more like giving Chris Paul the contract you know this is more like giving somebody who's like in that that last Max contract the big deal and and I know that's that's a a little riskier just based on their ages, and so I I your points right Like, they could have just extended pippen and done the right thing by him, but I think there was a sort of principle to it that you know. They warned him don't do that. You know we're not gonNA renegotiate. I think that just might be how they do business and you know it's. It's. It's a unique way Your Business Ramona. It's a unique way to do business say look I've got two minutes left for the heart out in the television business, and it's it's only the thorniest issue in the history of the NBA forget about the last dance. What do you? What should we look forward to seeing about the return of action? If at all remote walk me through? Yes please yeah I I. Think in I think there's a couple of big meetings that are coming up. There's a you know they. They have like a weekly. General Managers Call. They have a board of governors meeting. I think somehow next week, but these are all standard. This time of the you know. Everybody's having meetings now right all the time. so none of these are like you know different than the other beatings. I think over the next week or two. We're going to see like. The the safety protocols. Here's the conditions are going to start making some decisions ever going to be at home. Practice is for some of it or we're going to be at Disneyworld. Are we going to be some combination of both like I think those final like here's what it would look like. Ideas are going to are going to come out, and they're going to kind of be codified, and maybe to the Union and voted on. That's that's what you're going to see over the next couple of weeks They everything's been collectively bargain the whole time so like. Too much of any any one meeting because they've been meeting and talking the entire time right, but over the voice of the season things things happen, and we're GONNA have a season or not, but that's that's step one right as you know because it's not just enough to make a plan to come back. You actually have to do it and then there's GonNa be setbacks. Be Four or five guys? We'll pause it, and then what do you do? Escalation from shooting in a mostly empty. Jim with you know rebounders who have masks on too like full-contact NBA basketball game either testing protocols again. We'll hopefully get to see Ramona thank. You really appreciate it. You Care Great Interview with Jerry Reinsdorf. That's Ramona Shelburne here on the rich Eisen show. With. No NBA NHL or mlb you might be. Well you'd be our exclusive partner. Bet Online still have hundreds of events. And POPs. But the online casino poker, and Blackjack as they are bringing the biggest cu missing to NFL, no problem met online had lied dealing madden NFL twenty simulations. He can wage. If you're into entertainment, betty, we could still bet on survivor big brother, American idol, stock prices, and even the Nathan's hot dog eating. 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You know Mike. I just lied love watching you. Do your thing I've enjoyed seeing your your Home Office. Your you know we all flex with our home offices. Shut them off, you know. Did you say you had a rouge Tony Stick? Is that what you told me this one time? That's what's behind my back. Mike Ziani Mike, rujani autographed stick a wooden stick Canadian Brandon, a bunch of the hockey. Guys who I know, that is really really old school, and as I guess it is but I don't have many autographs. I think I may have bought that. All chain or one that I should say on an auction, so have you. Kind of do. Do we. Have, you had it authenticated. Do we know that that's? It's not like Mike? Orion I like you know yeah. April of authenticity with it so. It could be you know. Garlic would is. No, but you know what it served for good store ten weeks. Living Who Cares if it's mark? Stick who cares? Spa It's funny man. You send a text me and my wife a few weeks ago. About you watching a replay of that, Michigan Michigan State triple overtime game that you were doing play by play. She was doing sideline of where I was actually at the game in person and fearful of life. Because Michigan fans stormed the field I, thought I'd never see her again. But what have you seen of in this quarantine? Where everybody's running back that you saw that? You call that you either forgot. Forgot you called or you? You sat back, okay? This is something that I'm I'm glad I was part of over the last few weeks. Well, the the the fun that was a stretch when when I texted you all that game was on was a stretch. There was just one run of about I think and nights or so that things. That I did on ESPN or ABC reared in different places. Every night like nine thirty. Give this text random person. Hey, while watching this game. Hey, I! Remember this game, which was what I think I've I think I've seen six or seven Monday night? Football Games rear here's. I may do as many is Monday night football game. This year's anybody else but. The the one the one that I did actually sit and watch. A one more time was the return to Katrina New Orleans game back in two thousand six fifty three weeks after Hurricane Katrina a fifty. Five weeks game was that was. Our third Monday night football game at ESPN that was game three. In that run for me and it was I was doing play by play Gio size, but Tony Kornheiser and kind of watch the game. Afraid of watching it now. Fourteen years later 'cause hopefully you get better at what you do. Fourteen years after the fact and I'm thinking Oh my God I must have been terrible here and the game was so enjoyable to watch and I thought Tony was just the perfect person to have their that night and the whole deal soup-to-nuts Steve gleason blocked punt to the first game in the Dome for drew brees Sean Payton as a head coach. quarterback Combo to everything around it with you to in Green Day doing a concert before the game, it was a cool experience, and that was the one that I went back to watch, just sat and absorbed the whole game and really look. Look back at it with great pride very little to do with me. Call thirty five or whatever, but when everybody else did on the show including Jay Rothman and chip Dean, who were my producer director for my ten years of Monday night football on a great friends and are often what they do that was great memories for me, and it was a nice part of looking back it. All these encore broadcasts I i. was there that night with NFL network? We brought the NFL network over there and and did pre game and post game there because it was such, an important night the commissioner Paul Tagliabue was there, and as we all know, he insisted. That? New Orleans not be abandoned and I think that'll be discussed at length when when the commissioner does get inducted into the hall of fame when when that happens, but I remember I was sitting next to Marshall Faulk, a native son of that great city watching the the coin toss and everyone kind of disappointed that the saints had to start on defense, right? That was a big thing. Okay, we want to see drew brees here. We go okay. Start on defense and then. On the second down, I think vick fumbles the ball balls loose on the ground, and the place went crazy, but it rolled out of bounds. And the number of things that could have gone differently. Coin Toss Balden roll out of bounds, actually rolled to a saint. that. That didn't happen, but it led to Steve gleason, blocking that punt, which is now a statue in front of that stadium. Unbelievable how how things work out right, you know. It was it was it was incredible I? Remember obviously you go and get the game going. You don't WanNa step on stuff. There's so much other stuff going on, but it was one of those games where they open your microphone to the public address, so you are the PA and Algiers, introduce the national anthem and I remember President Bush forty one was doing the ceremonial coin toss, and there was a brief moment that I do vividly go. Oh my gosh, I'm gonNA introduce the president. Don't still screw this up whatever you do. George Bush slowly go screw the some of. The cascade of events and That's the reason I watch the game back. Ridge I belong to the game after the gleason punt block was a blur to me because of all the build up. In you wanted to nail the on camera, the started game and all that stuff, so it was that night rich. I've talked about that a little bit. The last couple of weeks and we've been asked a lot about Why sports has become a significant part of the conversation post protest here whereas the protests have been going on and I always was of the opinion that sports has more of a meaning than three minutes at the end of the local newscaster section of the newspaper. And maybe we were trying to justify our existence, but that night I refer to all the time when I think about sports because. That night reminded me that sports has such a civic pride that almost nothing else carries that night in the superdome there were white and black, and they were female and male and every religion. You could imagine the people who were this great big bully based this great big new. This great big collection of people who would identify themselves differently on the census box. They're all wearing New Orleans Florida Lee there were in saint stuff, and they were all there to celebrate, and that events showed the world New Orleans was ready to be open for business again more than any event and the orchestra the ballet. They don't run around with New Orleans across the Tuxedo or the blouses they're wearing football, players and basketball players do, and they represent civic pride in the community, and that night forever cemented to me. Damn I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA. Be Very defensive about what sports is meaning sports meaning is in our world and I I was glad I had that experience first hand because I believe passionately. I think we're seeing it with the actions from athletes and leagues and teams around the country, and around the world right now well said Mike here here, no doubt about it Mike Tirico here in the rich Eisen show and just hearing what you had to say about. You know introducing the president. Stuart Scott and I were asked by George Bush. Is White House to do the play? By play of t-ball? They used to hold t ball games on on on the South Lawn of the White House and Our assignment was for late September in two thousand. And One and obviously with nine eleven hitting that got canceled, and when it came time to do it again, though about a year later, Stewart couldn't do it so I went and I. was there I've said I'm in. And they walked me through the the run of show, and they're like so here's a bunch of cards for you to read and here's the first card for you to read as soon as you see the president. And and the first lady walked down. Read this card. Make sure you read it. Word for word and I looked down at. It's like ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome the president of the United States and Mrs Laura. Bush and I thought to myself. That's that's okay. That's a piece of cake. What else you got for me and I start looking at the show, and it's time now you stand up, and they play hail to the chief, and you look up, and you see the president, and the first lady walking down and I'm like holy crap. Where's that? Where's that? Flipped out using Oh my God. Oh! It's amazing how your mind can process something big. Don't want to screw up. It's. It's like anybody plays Golf. Okay? Do you see the forty yards fairway to the right? Do you see the pond to the left. And last thing if you're. Middle the stairway you. Don't hit it. They're. Put into the water that that that brings up. My God I'm GonNa make a massive mistake so yeah I know. Exactly feeling then those are those the good times. And and another story to tell you about I know you'll enjoy because I know you're. You're great friends with Fowler so. So the other night Michigan in Colorado, Nineteen ninety-four is being replayed on ESPN. Okay, and some catching that now like you know my son. Nine year old comes to town. It's Michigan Football Mike well first of all from nineteen ninety four, and plus this does not end well. He goes, so we're not going to watch it. Watch it up to a point, you know. So. So I'm seeing. Fowler, is zooming in from from from his home and doing some pre taped interviews, I would tyrone Wheatley and with with With the. Warm I black quarterbacks named my Gosh with with. US So anyway, so he's doing these interviews, and whatever so I text him and I'm like. You know, get guess what's on ESPN right now I'm watching and he's like. What am I you know? Michigan's got the ball with five minutes left in twelve point lead. And he writes back all right. Yeah, that's what's on right now. Okay? He goes I think the lead safe. What are the chances question mark? I hit send Mike! Where did he go to school? You know I totally forgot Oh. My Gosh, that's that's that's the reminder of. What makes us sporting events special. And we've had a lot of you. Go back to you. Watch the encore presentation, and you still Wanna see even though you know exactly the way it ends it twice a good movie. I WANNA relive it again I watched last. Saturday 'cause I've done a lot of the leads and tags for our embassy racing folks. I wasn't working the event right, but. When Americans Sarah won the Belmont Tom Hammond, who was just so great covering the triple crown races in covered so much horse racing. has a degree. In. Equine Science. I did know said that was the loudest he had ever heard. A sporting event he's done Olympics, and all those events and to watch that few minutes after Farrow wins the Belmont because it was thirty seven year. Wait is Larry. Call the track announcer. Call the race announcer. Call on that moment, just to watch it again. I'm sitting there going I know he's GonNa win and I'm GonNa Still Watch this? It was just. So much that has been. A little bit the reminder of what we're missing and we were just talking about this rich on a conference call with our production team this week. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA do the Belmont stakes next week YEP and there'd be no fans, but the Belmont will run and one hundred fifty, second one five to Belmont stakes were thinking. You know what this is. The first American classic sporting event that will be held. Arguably since the NBA All Star game. And, it's been great to have golf back. Obviously, and it's great. They'VE NASCAR back. WHEN NASCAR didn't run. It's back. Golf is playing its first event since the players was shorted, never finish. We haven't had major other sports. Here, but the American classics the Tent Poles that Kinda define our sports history year after year. The last one was arguably the NBA. All Star game eighty. If you say that you go to the Super Bowl, before that and nothing of that ilk regard, until you get to the Belmont stakes, which is still although out of order, a triple crown race, so it Kinda next week I'm getting really excited as we talk show to kind of get ready for getting back to what I love this job for, and that's these huge events that you talk about for years and years and years while you're the best data man and appreciate everything that you do and everything that you have done. And and and following you on NBC SNL last couple of months has been a treat, totally husband, brother. You know how I feel about you Mike. Two to four two thirty am squirts at. Texas. The following each other after elbow with the sunup, which is ready, pretty cool so. I love the show. Keep it going I. Have a great appreciation for you. Guys do every day. You Dan Patrick and everybody mad. It's it's hard to do one of these shows every day for three hours. Let alone for one hour. Let alone three so. Keep on doing it I. Look Forward to watch the end. Keep crushing back at you. Mike you take care of yourself? That is Mike. We can ever see that's. That's the one and only Mike Tirico. Do you. Own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy. Bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing, too, because you already have so much to do around your home, go to Geico, DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit GEICO. Dot Com today. That's GEICO DOT COM G. I. C., O., DOT COM. He's one of the many people. My life is better for knowing and I might not have met him if it wasn't for my wife, who bef- befriended him and vice versa, when she moved out here I to California to host of a host of programs for Fox sports and cover the Mohammed, how about susie starting a career covering liner, and and the USC Trojans and chat, Colby Lakers Ami Angels when they won. The world series is good time. How about talent? That's how? Susie began her broadcasting career. And she got to know Bob Sagging and I've gotten to know him through all that and get to call him a good friend and get him calling into. This show is the host of new podcast Bob Sagi- here for you. The Great Bob Sagging. How're you bomb goodrich? Hear Your Voice POP TART! That's the cardboard that it comes in. You Know Bob, let's that's a window to your soul. I think right there. You know, but we were just discussing our commercial break, or just for our youtube and Sirius Xm audience that the chargers put on their on their social media feed in advance of the scheduled coming out. What type of flavor pop tart their opponents would be, we asked about. Do you toast pop tart or not? Bob I give you the floor. Blueberry is the only thing I could eat, and you gotta toasted a little bit. It's kind of like eating something. That's not the cook. You don't eat frozen peas without heating them up. No, I know that, but you'd have Sushi, don't you? Bob Don't eat Sushi I. Love Sushi. But, raw fish is different than a a non baked pastry. Made of chemicals, I hope they're not a sponsor. No. They're not up. They are not. A. Nut cheerios and that's only because pandemic. Do things to a man. The cardboard the hey, you know what's amazing. Captain Crunch Cereal. Remember that please well, actually I don't mean to nitpick. It's Cap'n crunch, it says. cap apostrophe end as a kid. I didn't know I didn't know. What do you call that conjunctiva when you put you? Know. You can maybe get it. I! Don't know anyway you can. Then when you have your eyes dripping, and you don't need milk because they just never mind anyway. One Watch I got a captain Crunch Watch from sending away for a sweepstakes. Only thing I want seriously. All the people that got me. They're the people that my mom was getting the cereal market. Usually dominated. So use actually sent away your kid and you actually you know cut because I remember you would cut the side of the box. Right to cut right in there. You'd have to cut the side of the box for that proof of purchase. Right feet, the whole damn box with pop tart. Don't care by the way that's the first time I've used the word proof of purchase. Since maybe I was seven years old, so pre Barcode. Yes, it's pre Barco. And there's no barcodes until they open up and then the code will be nine feet. I do remember also. That I would just eat the cracker Jackson just to get that. Get the tree. Open up! Ads are completely sticky. And then Hornets come and now thank God. The Murder Hornets weren't prevalent back then, because they right for my hand, and all of his trying to do was get a little, a little memo pad like a miniature memo pad. I got the great. Bob Saggy Bob here for you. PODCAST is available. We're all podcast or or gotten right now so Where did the podcast from Bombay well? Before the pandemic I was out doing stand up because we had a tall set to our ready to go was going to shoot a special in the fall, and then it all came to a halt, but at the end of Twenty nineteen I want. The same things my stand up, people are arguing everybody well human beings all the normal stuff you hearing everybody saying and can't. We just I'll just have some fun. And can I make things brighter for people, and they were hurting before the pandemic people were angry so angry, and we all know it everybody saying the same thing, except for some of the things that they complete be correct, and there is no other no other hand or other side. As just doing what I'm doing and I decided to podcasts for that reason I did to episodes in studio, so we could get the youtube component, and then they went nowhere. There's no more in studio and I was Danny. Tanner I like freaked out, they would. Disinfect everything boil the windscreen on the Mike. You know. And they I'm sure you're the same way I mean you're. You're in studio, right? Bob. I Walk Everyday like I'm Walter White Ready to Cook my first twenty minutes of my of my day wiping everything down. And then meth. And then I do the show in. Front to back right because important. facemask oh, my, but right now. I'm afraid to sit anywhere. I'm afraid will jump in a murder Hornet. But Irish jokes but yet people do, but they're doing it in a different context. It's not making fun of it. The thing I love about your podcast cover Bob as we were putting it up while you were, you were talking about it. Is it? Says at the very bottom first podcast by a comedian ever? And you you, you bracketed with these sort of gold? Leaf. Palm or It looks like it's a film festival. Stamp of approval which makes you believe it is the first podcast by a committee how you look at Apple podcasts. Crap all my friends have been there for ten years. Joe Rogan created empire. All my friends bill burr and bills on the podcast I'd love to have you on. That Marc, Maron, he listened to Conan. You know people that are just fantastic at this and mine was meant to be for real and especially after the shoe dropped with being there for people. So I decided to have a phone line setup, and then on certain days of the week and right now I'm on a Monday. Wednesday Friday schedule I just had tiffany haddish. Day was yesterday, and then tomorrow. I'll be talking to people and I see I believe on instagram and twitter a number they can call and I'll tell them I'll call them between one and four. Today you like the cable person. It's anytime between. Three hour window, UHF, public access I might as well be the Joe Franklin show. Without without a video. Now I'm into the whole zoom of it also I'm getting like I'll be talking to Norman Lear today, amazing, brilliant, wonderful man, and and that will be on visible on the on the Youtube as we say, they say that no one says with me, but but the thing is i. get to talk to people and you do that as well and. And you're in dilemma. 'CAUSE here. You are promoting what you wanted to do. Was Talk About Sports you came here to do was and talk about life I mean you're good interview and you had you. You know you don't broadcasting, but. Here we OUGHTA standstill and and a lot of close I I'd make a call up and somebody does Bob I didn't think he'd call me, and then he's stoned and I'm talking to a stone guy for half hour. And it's wonderful and then I'll talk to someone else. WHO's a nurse on the front lines and Starts crying. She just does the patient Toco visit. And I'm like. How's it at home and that she has an autistic son who doesn't understand what's going on and then I'm able to get like that one little. Moment of happiness out of her or just sometimes they want somebody to talk to. And for some reason that gets they haven't seen full resume. They feel safe with me and wow. Look Man I. Know You know you look I. Know You Work Blue When you're out there on the stage and a lot of people find you know jarring based on more maybe not anymore, but look I. Mean you've got a big heart and and a huge heart Scleroderma I know is obviously yeah, a disease that that has. Supporting come on rich. The Look Your your your annual events in order to fight this awful disease You bring so many people together you help so many people you also co host laugh aid benefit back in April that. Tries to help. Fellow comedians deal with nineteen in this world. And everybody everybody showed up man. I mean so who who is. Who is the person that? You. Were you're? The most when you started out as a comedian that you're still maybe with I mean. Yeah when you began. When I was seventeen when I started doing, stand up and I was singing music's stupid comedy songs about bondage. That's how you came out of the box. Don't talk about my mom like that. Out of the box, but anyway what happened was When I moved to La and I had. Gone to the comedy store. And and Mitt. Any owner Mitzi sure said you should work here and I was GONNA go to Grad School for film at USC 'cause I'd won the student. Oscar I thought. It was a big deal twenty one. You know those are really likable people who wants to think they're stars, and now they are because the world has changed, but I'd say Garry shandling was one of the first people I became friends with. And we would go to his house in the valley would write jokes and most of them involved. You know my unit or his unit or any any guys. Try to relate to your your brethren and And then relationship stuff, and that was what I did for many years, and then Dave Cohen moved out tons of Mike Binder, but then I. You know I was thrown into the the comedy store. World was Robin Williams and Richard Pryor must've been amazing. Amazing, amazing and I couldn't believe they like to me. They don't fake it nothing. You know comedians a especially of that level. They're not gonNA fake being nice to some young guy who looks like you know. Just. A Nice young man who then says really weird stuff so they it was billy crystal came and talked to me my first night letterman was my host My host Letterman was hosting no kidding and It was before he did his morning show and he was. You could tell that he was going to be like one of the biggest broadcasters time and. It was just a you know. I'll never forget it and it. It helped build character and being there eight years. That can knock you down when all your friends or go off going on I'm going to show. Okay. Are Senio see in a couple of years? Get a show. And but I I remained in contact with a lot of people in this. This pandemic has kept that going. Howie Mandel have really he was a guest on my show. Have People that are of note stay most was the first because that's in the Bible and the old test. Say Most, first, and then but other really dear friends. You know John, Mayer and Bill, Burr, and Tiffany Haddish. Green Norman Lear Job Gaffe again and different people that people I think would want to hear, but friends I. I'm trying to make conversations. You know I mean that's the best part about as if you want to listen to somebody like two friends talking hope people feel the same with just listening to us right now. By the way I did text you last night because I did not know that you're pinned. Tweet was from December when you lost your dad and. That gets right to me because you know there's there's about four thousand stages of grief because I lost both my parents, and both my sisters and I'm waiting for others to go now as well. that's not funny, but I I do gallows humor. There's nothing else. You! Do I know you do and my dad? Was? You know you're here Turkey bowling a couple years ago on Thanksgiving. Right and my parents were here too, and they were excited to meet you and you know my mom who's probably sitting at home right now. Watching, appreciate you bringing my data up and. A lovely mom and I never touched her. Your comments about your mother. My mother Chris Brockman across the way can even look at me right now because he's trying not to laugh at, he's trying. Even In school like he just knows he'll lose. Focus on something else I'm just. Pill you even look at me you. Make contact where we talk about Mother's Day is coming up. That's right, perfect timing! Bob Something. What does she likes lowers Bob Flowers I've been doing a lot of tic TACs. I could do a dance. Dollar bills. He will not even look at me right now. His head is. Your Mom's actually beautiful. Thank you, Bob you're in. Love with your mom. WanNa be step that. Those Reunions depend that makes over we. I D- be at all the reunions. Would understand I mean it's it's? It's not her first. Rodeo listening you talking about like. Those final nine episodes of Fuller House available on Netflix June second boy. They they come out June second so people. Fuller House in some closure. It's the the personal nine episodes, and it is really well. People always say what's your favorite episode and I always always used to say the last one. That was a joke, but This particular nine episodes do give close your for fans. Your fans and necessarily Fuller House is Bob. The padres I think no, no, no, no, no, no DOB. Come on now. What would you say that I'm? There's tons of fuller house fans after nine year olds watching did we have nine nine year olds watching a fourteen year old collins to right now we're on Youtube. The kids dig it all I care about your MOM's watching right? I wish we Rana zoom or something so I can but but Zuma's scary because people crash into them. They just get in there I guess so. I guess I guess that's. Urologist eight hundred allergists on a major conference. Some guys came in and guess what they showed. There's up on the screen and they had to close the whole meeting down so. That ain't no way. You can't really be teaching about urology and then actually show you know, demos? Bob Sagging everybody host the new podcast Bob Sagi- here for you love you. Bob Susie wanted to send my best. Want her either. In love with. She knows. His love now I know that I know that you had heard hello to Bob. That you carry yourself, be well. My friend right back chat Bob Sagging right here hates Adam Corolla. We love having great guests on my show like Jay Leno. The medic runs over and says to the driver. What's your name? How old are you? He goes I'm Barbara anyone years old? You camps, migos! What's your name? Old and I said I'm Bob Riggle Eighty one years old Howie Mandel. Put off as a haircut, don't take that from a bald guy, but nobody a hair and Jimmy Kimmel. We get the phone and we start calling people in. Atlanta and we reached his old man named Charlie. Brown looking up names like shrimp. To check out the Adam Corolla show on podcast one.

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Jock Talk with Joe Deegan

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

57:44 min | 1 year ago

Jock Talk with Joe Deegan

"Originating from our Jimmy Johns Lexington studios this is jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka on the horse racing radio network that intimate in depth discussion with the best junkies thoroughbred racing five year old Mareo Gutierrez who daddy one final sixteen hundred Espinosa in the the Gary Stevens Three Practices Calvin round up the inside under Johnny Velazquez. Take it Jianghai Bobby Brown coming up B._T.'s at an Rosie asleep garage aboard the field here reading by Hobby Costs Delano scintillating Sunday Rafael by Geraldo. Now here's Christina McMahon ago hello again everyone hi and welcome to talk presented by Titas Handmade Vodka right here on the horse racing radio network. I'm your host retired Jockey Christina McMahon Igal and I'm joining us tonight from our Jimmy Johns of Lexington Washington Kentucky Studio. I'd like to think everyone listening tonight on serious to Nineteen X._M.. To a one and also to those of you tuning in to our website at horse racing radio dot net as you know a portion of the proceeds from this show go to the permanently disabled jockeys fund the P._D.. J. F. provides financial assistance to riders. You have suffered devastating on-track injuries if you are able to help please visit their website at W._w._w.. Dot P. D. J. F. Dot O._R._G.. So our guests this evening he's from County Clare Claire Ireland and Road Races for twenty five years before retiring and training on his own he won the grade through Florida Lee Handicap in Nineteen eighty-nine aboard stone lease hope and the Green Three Presidents Cup stakes in nineteen eighty-eight aboard French comic with five hundred thirty five wins in over eight million dollars an earnings. It's a pleasure to introduce jockey. Joe Degan Joe Welcome to the show Christina great have any here Joe I so I know you from bumping into you. At Churchill downs couple months ago I guess and we got to talking and I quickly thought hey this guy would be a great guest on my show. You have pretty cool stories. Joe Can't wait to hear them all now. You're obviously from Ireland and tell us what it was like for you. Growing up there grew up in the country and and <hes> we had nothing to do with horses but <hes> and that's how I got into the heart deeter <hes> trainer he team moved Oud about half of my land road from us and he had the shop there and at the back of the shop horses and <hes> on kinds of ours and <hes> so second during the summer when I was a kid six years old and learn to rides and <hes> he's name was pathogens. He's daughters went on to be very good. People in Ireland Writers Trainers <hes> so <hes> there were kids kids who was going up there but <hes> all went on to be successful people pot was unbelievably hard sny and <hes> he actually been following year when it was maybe seven years old. He took me a pony racing in Ireland's. We brought to horses on they won on his one and that was if that's how I finally got into being the jockey or you hooked from that point on Joe and your seven in writing pony races I was seven yeah. I'm GONNA started reading pointers yeah and <hes> you know it was all because pat and then after that he got bigger and he ended up having a drink four five six points to the raises every Sunday and I'd write them and and that was kind of every Sunday until I went to the car when it was sixteen to be jockey so I been writing racist some time nmls seven years old dinner <hes> and at that time news a lot of good writers Kim acing went on to do very well so <hes> I even to this day and now it's even more populous as it's soon good writers coming from you know <hes> but that was my introduction. Two months months got above that was it that was it now what I attract attracted did you to the horses grown up right near the horses of Pats what I attracted you to that idea of maybe writing we would just finding around us kids and <hes> we start riding ponies and that was it and we used to jump uh-huh bareback riding wild and it was just I kind of had not you think for the <hes> none of my other brothers any interest in the horses <hes> I was small and <hes> so <hes> that was it. I just took it up and I'm really likes to June on the phone was a big thing 'cause I was winning the books pointing every Sunday so so <hes> so that made it a big trust. How many brothers do you have two brothers <hes> twin brother and a younger brother and younger sister and I had an older sister who possibly actually last year yeah so we families five to I can't imagine you're poor mother dealing with two of you? You're you have a twin yeah. He actually <hes> stockcar racing at home so he he had no interested in the horses at all and <hes> he drives around the cars around the country so he he he likes Alexa capacity to you know exactly yeah what did what did you parents think of you. What the age of Seven Riding Pony races I guess she was still Kinda scared but with them I just I just had a passion for it and it was going to do it no matter what and then my father bought a couple of these I and I used to ride them and I try lot kids ride times that we're in and living extra five from us and and <hes> <hes> so it was it was just everyday things <hes> in fact that you know he's the race and points and I used to raise my brother? He's he'd have a motorbike and I guess jumping okay jumps and he'd be on motorbike again. Wow that is wild definitely pay pete the picture for US Joe. I'm just trying to imagine these pony races and I've never been to a pony race in my life so what kind of was it over the flat and how many ponies would gather together and race be foot by bones in every race and <hes> maybe even more more than that you know and the checks were kind of put up back then they were just throwing up in put down <hes> rope and stakes around the field and some of them were were were pretty hazardous were very shocking that kind of stuff off and <hes> to you have to be tied onto right around her you know and they were going on it was it was very competitive to had the bookies there as well so people came out on them and <hes> so it was it was competitive very competitive and <hes> what it was it was it was big thing every day. The same people showed up every every weekend would would ponies and and kids and that was it <hes> but <hes> were the whether many rules when it came to riding those pony races or was pretty much whatever wouldn't be that strict so there was a lot of <hes> a lot of race right and then where to be shouldn't guys off going into deterrent and swinging away coming out with its on and all that stuff you know so he learns you learn to be kind of aggressive air. It was pretty wiliness. I mean it's very very competitive for for young kids <hes> but <hes> it was it was it was like best experience. Any kids have for going onto writer you know so what were the age in weight limits for the jockeys of the ponies when it actually on the fourth rates hey one guy I beat was an older by he was like maybe Turkey five. They've years old or something like that. You know like seven years old that day and <hes> I beat him and he he'd be winning out racist so that was the big thing you know and <hes> they you mostly multi you had <hes> kids around you know anywhere from ten to two twenty right and you know ten or twenty twenty years old you know and <hes> but <hes> you know on your head the guys Aaron Wealth Appointees and they've on it was it was competitive very competitive. You know but a lot of fun to you know what about the way. Did you have to tag a certain weight and yet the carried which and I was able to make the way it's easy. I was telling you had to carry lead tied mostly <hes> too. I was always easy for me. I was like back then when I was a kid learned <hes> find their way back then but that change later wrong yeah such I did that onto that was fifteen and then <hes> I told my mother was going to be jockey and she said No. I didn't even school and <hes> I'm again and she's like no. I told her I go to the that just opened the school on the Kara as it's often outside of their town and <hes> so I signed up to go there and she okay that so that was it I was done I left one phone teams had a bicycle ride back and forth to work and and <hes> and that was it <hes> and <hes> thirty Sullivan was the one who opened the kind of school and it was a great by <hes> really was out for the the kids to improve their lives as writers and <hes> and get better <hes> federal communities phone for the acts at the Washington because back then when you signed on you're you're trying to was your with your your your boss and that was to do what he said if you said you could you could fetch put put I mean so he will do indenture to him and he owns was basically the expect then you know with their than he he <hes> he always tried to push the writer which the writers and had them out and get better opportunities for them and more rights and all that stuff you know for he was he was he was it was unbelievable mine and he was running had the foresight to chain help to kids followed their profession. You know <hes> when it was sixteen he sent me to set up actually for two and half months to right and <hes> over there in in Bergen for two and a half months and <HES> didn't end up when the rich there when it was sixteen but then came back I I took off and didn't really well jealous. Talk a little bit more about I'm fascinated by the apprentice school started <hes> by as you mentioned Eric O'Sullivan and is what kind of a was it like a two two year program and and they started you from the ground up or did you already have to know how to ride <hes> to be in that program another to you a program yeah and it was a lot of kids that commend that didn't is right and they can't from from dubbing and Atlanta usability national stood there and and teaching the ride so I was kind of doing that with them but I had been writing from time owes six years old and so <hes> but <hes> me that was kind of boring but <hes> I went you would program and the very good Manu's who's great. He pushed pushed to get the offenses as just which they could <hes> then was <hes> situ indentured to the to the chain and he basically owns <hes> you didn't get paid very much and so it was <hes> you have to reluctant. Elected to do it now. After the two year program was your apprenticeship. The weight allowance was that over no I I I ended up right note my claim in Ireland and <hes> I was leading apprentice. They're leading book writers say there and <hes> and <hes> next winter I went and road in Hong Kong when a few inches there and came back and <hes> when it came back to ride next spring in Ireland <hes> I gotTa Fall Off Philly and it was unconscious retrieve week so I miss pretty much to whole year <hes> that year here and <hes> Kansas states that winter on my back I was in Miami and I went back in Rhode Island. That's next summer and I did good and I gotTA stop a first for a second Joe. Did you say you're unconscious for three weeks. which makes yeah yeah? Oh my gosh what happened. <hes> Phoenix tipped over and I actually had didn't have my home at them up and <hes> hit my head off stolen it was it was freaky dealer yeah home on from not to got up on the Koran. Gosh that's that's incredible the Euro K. after that I can't imagine <hes> you know being unconscious interest for three weeks and then after such a high I'm sure riding in Hong Kong previously in South Africa what what was it like for you educational wise learning as a writer a young writer at the time writing all these different different countries being around writer with different styles yeah and actually when it came to states <hes> I really like this and <hes> a little bit in the morning so Lee right jolly he trained for bed from Parson. Oh boy came over to because he he had horses in Ireland with China Ravens Edrich Dermot Weld over there and <hes> so I came out and wrote his horses actually got on January when I was a kid and actually got apartment as a kid in Miami in risk that's addict impersonal distant those bastards ferry back then ten friends we remember since you know <hes> so is it was and then you know everywhere you go you learn from other people in other writers and that was it was happening is probably the biggest thing you learn to find your way around you mentioned <hes> you are indentured your trainer Dermott weld now. How long would that contract last was it an ongoing three years and then signed up again San Fernando three years and <hes> but the second time any had my claim for about a year or something after that 'cause I I'd read No? I didn't know claim there so so <hes> but <hes> would you see that's preferred having a having a trainer with your contract over freelancing and just going out and hustling for business or which which do you like. I like no contract and going for business and but back then you you'll have country trainer. You had no choice other than have one no now they don't. They don't have that anymore. I don't. I don't think that as much anymore <hes> can more or less have age inspect their and which was not just saying when I was there basically you have to do the chain get much to move forward Jenner <hes> so he had to go and actually then we could do if you did well for your role to put you on something and you want and then other people would want to use you and that was those basically it's <hes> were you allowed to ride for other people and not all the time because he didn't want me to lose may claim to quit for his horses so a lot of times I had to I'd be sending the grindstone and wasn't allowed to ride because you know they wanted to. Use your claim for their horses. You know that was yeah so that's so far too. You know <hes> 'cause if you get rolling. Is it not being the keep rolling and it just put in difference on par with over there by then that's that's how it was for. Everybody back then jogging Joe Degan joining me tonight on Jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka right here on the horse racing radio network so Joe. Let me ask you when you first came to the states you're galloping horses. <hes> for Leroy Jolly as you mentioned got on the likes of genuine risk hanging out with Sinto Vasquez I mean it sounds like you had a great experience so I'm assuming you wanted to come back to the states well at the time I I. I want to go back there and then because I'd done very weather and I said when it was fun of them back I I had I got the fall and Dan that's kind of really side wounded me you know <hes> and <hes> after the fall. It took me a long time to get together again. You know my reflections just wouldn't they were for a long time. You know so <hes> I came to the states. I've taught them winter up. I had that fall and went back and did well and then <hes> I <hes> I came due to America that winter and then the Brighton in Akron and <hes> I wrote five winners winter and it was going back to write in Ireland and to home and since got there I decided you know not going back to the states so pretty much gonNA planes four days later through back to the states and I I had hoped open bobby scanlon and went and load for him. He had horses for <hes> public. Thanks for who had written a clip you win for in Europe and <hes> so that was kind of a connection there you know and <hes> when it came back and decided it was gonNA move back the move here. I was kind of a last minute decision and it was just like a made my mind to do that. Was it from you know <hes> was it was a big move but <hes> I don Reggie decided. Do you know what year was that that was in eighty four I think and for you as we mentioned the different writing styles I'm sure you saw that in South Africa and Hong Hong Kong. What was it like for you having learned the Irish way of rioting and then coming here to the states where they have a totally different writing style in terms of how it looks anyway? How did you adjust it was tough I had to I like basically I had to learn to ride with my toll on the iron because back then we will go to footing there in Europe so I had to try to just as much as I could? Which <hes> you know? I think that's a big thing for the writers. When it comes to states is that you have to look to monetary you know if you don't look the pirates different and they don't WanNa ride you so that was that was a big thing and it was Kinda like extend over again to be honest with you know? Even I've been here in vendor specific starting on over again you know so was the was he was was was the U._S.. Way of riding the the most different style you'd ever encountered before <hes> it was because <hes> you know the writers here have to stay low and and <hes> and and be balanced on their you know whereas Europe the writers write a lot higher and <hes> they're going mile and a half two miles it up more such a big difference you know and that's a huge difference but <hes> <hes> but I think I I really like to Sil- here and <hes> I think it's <hes> when cashing and Steve Department to Europe they pretty much change just <hes> decided racing in Europe so much <hes> pretty much every kid raids with their tolling the over there now you know which was never the case when I was a kid back there so but then when you came to the states joe he said you were writing for the likes of Bob Scanlon. Did you have an agent. I he got me an agent Joe. He'll put up the up with an agent and <hes> <hes> <hes> of seat went to went to a few different agents and <hes> and then <hes> <hes> ended up moving Kentucky and <hes> <hes> I did it was a big move. Come to to Church 'cause they'd never been there before but <hes> but once it got to Louisville I loved it so <hes> Nevertheless <hes> you know Louisville. It's got kind of everything too big. City has two big city Taffeta traffic and all that kind of stuff so <hes> reelected in the restaurant is good <hes> and getting better now as did you know what was your business like following that move to Kentucky. Did you take off pretty quickly here of me of me a couple of years Gatcombe but then I hit a run and <hes> I win actually went to debutante on a Philly I can't remember name and that kind of got me going pretty good <hes> and and <hes> <hes> let him know you wrote the Derby in what was that nineteen ninety one <hes> aboard wilder than ever. Was that your first Derby well actually written in the Derby when I was eighteen so what it was the Kentucky Derby was obviously it was written in national anytime and <hes> that was big to ride nationals. So what was that like for you. Riding it was such a large field twenty horses in front of a massive crowd like that you mentioned you. You'd ridden the Irish Derby. But how do you ever ridden such a large field before Oh yeah I mean in Europe to feel very big. I mean you can have twenty Turkey. Horses in Internet spanked there so the size of not a wouldn't be an issue but that was the it's so aggressive here <hes> then they're really running and it's it's pretty quick to for certain you know you can get sites knockdown. Whatever you know so it's a <hes> it's a real fundraise but that's because there's a lot of pressure that people trying to win it and <hes> it's just adds to enough and so I think whereas you know the bigger fields in Europe I mean they just each other around and and that kind of stuff but <hes> because it's not so fast and furious force quarter mile of the race you can select yourself into let sweeter you know but here I mean it's every month from supplement need to get? You know so it's it's it's it's it's <hes> Fi- offended Kentucky Derby. Do you remember your trip during the race I do yeah I actually took horseback because he's an outsider and I just thought to give many times. I'd say until the last night and C._B.. Could come run. She could come on a little bit good. He was he was overmatched in the race basically and <hes> I'd written amend the WTOP it's tough way Jim beam and <hes> I lamb drop out and you gotta run up the Rail Holloway anything he starred something in edge eligible to runs into derby and <hes> so I kind of adopted the right into the same way 'cause obviously into derby long really running and <hes> takes a really good hearts to jump and run all thing you know I mean you have to be on a real horse to do that. It's it can jump and Ren faxes twenty three forty seven and keep going. They've got to be very very good to be able to do so well Joe. Let's take a very short commercial break here. Folks stay with us. You are listening to Jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka right here on the horse racing radio network hi I'm tito beverage founder and master Distiller Tito's handmade. 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Talk on the Horse Racing Radio Network presented by Tinos Handmade Vodka three-quarters one eleven in three and they run to the top of the stretch and Monto is still there cool errol the whip comes out as they straight away for the stretch rush drive in Monto off the turn with those two and a half weekly to capture the gory tighten up on the gorgeous kit in there as the final Furlong Monto but here's the long shot capture the gory lunging up to the outside kitten Ndele told the inside there in the final sixteen months to shake it up and responding Veroni and Monto what win the thirtieth running the rush away all the way up tops in one forty four and four welcome back to jock talk presented advised Tito's vodka. I'm your host Christina McMahon goal and I am joined this evening by Jockey Joe Degan Joe that was a replay of your victory as a trainer of Monto and the rush away stakes at turf perfect park in two thousand Seventeen Rodney Prescott was aboard. I WanNa talk about that here in a little bit so you're successful jockey and a successful trainer but we'll talk about the training part here in just a little bit <hes> up before we get there however I do want to ask you. You've hinted at this a little bit. <hes> previously as we all know the weights in the United States are a little bit lighter <hes> than in Europe. That's why you mentioned Steve Steve Cotton often and cash Asmussen went to Europe because they are starting to get a little bit too heavy for the weights here. You did the opposite you came to the U._S.. And I WANNA know. Was that difficult for you trying to maintain a lower weight yeah well. It's very difficult <hes> as an obviously the all year get harder gets and <HES> and the more you try push to worcester limit <hes> it gets it gets off and <hes> basically <hes>. You can't do anything you can't. You can't quotes can't do anything you just gotTA. Montana wait all the time so that part is pretty tough but <hes> and then it just doesn't find where I couldn't. I do too much. I couldn't do it anymore. I was getting out of horses different people and reason horses for Bobby Frankel and <hes> for by for them you know on those people and I kinda ended got stage with with the way where I was just writing some here and they're hunting. I liked and <hes> <hes> when it started writing for Bob Baffert <hes> I win the race was from and then <hes> kind of stage where I was looking at the horses and you know seeing different individuals he bought and trained <hes> I think I got food in then and they start talking deer Instituto so the reason fields and <hes> I was soon writing some and <hes> kept writing onto <hes> two thousand seven. I wrote me last source and they trained to change just as well I three or four in that winter and a hundred into the fourth way 'cause my weight was heavy and then I decided I was going to drop the wage which I'd get twenty pounds and <hes> just riding again and uh when it's two or three days of sorts I rode dead heat is and <hes> I after never was over them but I was taking to the retail sales or Keenan and <hes> yeah it took them up. There was there for a couple of weeks and then when I when it got back home and I got in the scales I was like give him don't <hes> I was like fifteen pounds heavier <hes> shop that wound me for riding horseback and play into around the horse put together man many on them we win easy and <hes> and that was it for the writing so <hes> Joe you always writing Titan and <hes> on but <hes> the way thing just got way can do it anymore. You did pretty good to maintain that. Wait for twenty five years. I mean that's yeah no easy feat. I'm trying to maintain. Its you know in back then especially the weights. Were even that much lighter but before we talk about your training career I do WanNa talk about <hes>. You're too great victory grade three victories here <hes> stone lease hope in the eighty nine floor delete handicap churchill downs Mike Bell I I showed was listed as the trainer and <hes> I know my belt pretty well gray guy <hes> tell us about that horse and that day you won the Florida early I'd been I've been writing if you are so mike on and off and when I got on the morning I had a very good opinion on you know where to belong along than how we're doing and like like that and <hes> so he <hes> I can't remember I if I can't remember before to up to leave Wyndham which think I'd want. I'd one I'd one when maybe co rates are two hundred before that and <hes> we got a great trip in slowly and she got up just underwear so <hes> so it it was it was a good day. You know you don't forget those days. What did she pay that day? What did she pay she if you've paid oh I didn't know something like sluggish fifteen to one or something that day or something like that you know I think I think she's like twelve to one but <hes> she came back then and run the actual run third word <hes> default on summer you know so she was she was a huge frontally great people wonder and like great geico absolute fact in it was <hes> we always have a good rapport and got on good and <hes> <hes> I went to a few vases road races for like and <hes> there was a Philly that I talked him into buying and <hes> really called differed us and she she the <hes> dingus room for six months 'cause he ended or spent on and then run around oaks day and <hes> she was like fourteen one and she win win but three or four that they went pretty easy <hes> came back in one a stake AH Indiana and <hes> and then connectedness second turned into stick with here at searching so she was Clinton from like too but <hes> so <hes> that was that was you know what about French comic in the President's Cup stakes agreed three Presidents Cup at at of all places acts are Ben? Yes I've never been there doesn't exist anymore but tell us about that day yeah Brian train them and <hes> <hes> I'd one on the horse here and they went to write a moat there and he got up more than <hes> you had a good trip in the race and <hes> worked out good so it was great day for everybody and was about a history back. There in extra been obviously bengals. Were were you very famous for more from there. <hes> checks father train their. We've kingpin there. Jack was there so not a history next been <hes> but was they atmosphere a lot of people at the racist that day so it was it was it was fun. It was fun man John Uh John's you know it's always great to ship out of town and win. It's nothing like going back. A winner. You know makes traveling worth it right Joe Shooter Yeah then you come back very you come back very good. When you win exactly then writer everybody you know jogging Joe Digging joining me tonight on Jock talk presented by Titas Handmade Vodka right here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Joe how did you I get hooked up with Bob Baffert just <hes> actually my friend <hes> was assistant fan johnny good and Eh he was living with me here and <hes> and <hes> so you get me debris some horses every whenever and <hes> <hes> and that's basically how we got a book a Bob <hes> and <hes> I breeze a horse one morning and he breeze unbelievable and also was a real quirky and I said to Jenny go to get me on the horse even give beyond him? I said he won't get beat and <hes> he he ended when it was any other Dan in the fall chokes which you know pretty soggy racer tutorials win by win by two or transient they so that was that was fun day. 'cause we saw a few good UNIM- 'cause like I said he had worked unbelievable when in the morning so <hes> but <hes> you know just seeing the type of Bob Hide had and the Specimen Party bought <hes> I think it was just add age where it was ready for it you know and <hes> basically that you know jockey after that about my four speeds of course to get at eighty five hundred from end up getting chosen from so that started Saturday kinakin which I still do somewhat you know but kind of change from from folds to Lena's now. I actually did that one this year was he was one this year so <hes> it's <hes> if you hit it's it's. It's really good but it's it's gotten very hard to do it now. It used to be that you could you could sell them and you and get a partnership which you moved the money along but now you either either get a lot of money for one or you get nothing so that's a tough thing but that's how I ended up with much I we catching Tipton sales sales and <hes> when you look at the horse and she wanted to do a deal on the Senate I looked at them and I'm like well. I really liked horse book because pretty informed. It's going to porches on them and Sunday. I was kind of wasn't going to do today on then we went for beer in the in the bar and say okay with a new fifty fifty on the horse and that's where that came around and ten when when I had the training in that I really liked him <hes> took him to the today from sale in Ocala and he he's good like even in ten and two in thirty three and change and <hes> because he turned out nobody really got on them and <hes> so I ended up buying back myself and I got to come in with me and <hes> Miami went on he went on did did very well so it was it was a win win steak. You know it was very gratifying and when to do something like that. Jenner had to be pretty gratifying. Trying to if you bet on him Joe he paid thirty six dollars that day. That's all right. We're pretty well. I WANNA I WANNA go back though a little bit let's talk about that transition for you and I know what that's like when you know for a different reason but when you are forced to retire for you it was the way after twenty five years of riding it just couldn't do it anymore. And so then you decided to retire. You're already somewhat involved in pin hooking so for you. Was it an easy decision to start training <hes> it was because <hes> I've never done a good horses on my life so as I was going to be horses no matter what it was you know and <hes> depending on just kind of snapped into place and that soap about fifteen years we did pretty good. You know <hes> like I said the gods very twelve years yes but <hes> you know <hes> it's <hes> it's Kinda opened doors to you know where kind of started buying bowls and send units you know <hes> so if if if you're hitting you can you can do very well you know <hes> it was kind of a natural progression then I said friends <hes> which you know probably always will because I enjoy it and <hes> and <hes> you know they can get one to just win. It's pretty got you know and usually if I if I get them I know where I know where around so that makes it a lot easier so yeah of course the thing of getting them to erase which you know the all of a sudden issues come up with with with them all every hearts with something get sick to get a leg to get this whatever's or something so you have to have the patience and and the will if do you believe horse to hang in there. Do you get on all of your own. I get on awesome yeah yeah Campbell's from still yeah again five day probably yeah so that's kind of enough for me. Now the moments in there and pushy about you know you've always done other soup to do as well so <hes> you know begun begin we get nine eight or nine ten day you kind of worn by the time mm stops from getting it and that's done you know so but I enjoy getting on them and and <hes> she see how long it's improving or going backwards or need to press on with one or back off on so I like it for for that reason in a giant. How many horses do you have currently in training and where do you <hes> mostly run those horses at I've got nine and train that the mall and <hes> mostly been running at Indiana in Ventura and they've all been running well tree wins the terrorists <hes> two seconds and then the couple of winters in Indiana and second third sort of them and <hes> but you know there's you know any champions there but say if they're doing <hes> that's that's <hes> fung's duet and the win where two candidates but it's all about you know what goals a d you have for yourself going forward as a trainer as a pin hooker? What what are you hope to accomplish well I? I never really chew my hat in the hallway with training because I was this came in and we were making good money. Doing you know <hes> do obviously I like to train and I like being around the horses <hes> but it's a it's a into coffee game and <hes> <hes> takes a lot of time out of <hes>. I'd have to go to get a nice horse <hes> good one that was good Saturday horse. That'd be fun for what you know so one that you could you could you could get it on the plane was <hes>. It's like one of those so <hes> you know I. I'm sure trying bye bye bye to autry this year and we'll see we'll see how a goal is. I always do you know shelf <hes> but I've got some salmon in September sale and then I buy a few as you know so see how it all looks. Do you Miss Riding Races Yeah Yeah. I was missed at <hes>. There's there's not too. Many things that are as gasoline is writing. You know it's it's true. It's it'd be get your motor running. There's no there's not so much like you know <hes> and it's Kinda. It's very addictive very addictive. When you get giants you know <hes> and that's why it's so hard for people to walk away that gets their motor running like riding races? You know you said it will Jo. He said it very well. What do you look for now in in your position having a few horses and training and then you obviously seeking outriders yourself as a former jockey what you look for in a rider just somebody that reads the pants well and I think that's the biggest thing in in any race is to me that reads the pace right and place your horse economy and it's auto pay whether it's going three quarters or a mile and a half <hes> <hes> and somebody that's cool and <hes> and <hes> basically right right a good rates <hes> but paces is is the key is is a key factor back you know to go onto Facet Front wants to meet smart enough to to drop off that pays to slow you want him to press forward and take it to them? You know so it went you see writer reads reads the race right then. That's that's good enough for me. So where do you train out of. You have your own farm. No I try not to pipeline training center <hes> it's it's about two miles north or west of of Lagrange Kentucky so it's about thirty minutes outside of Louisville <hes>. I like it there because it's a they've got the got a dirt track is pretty good. Check and then to have a five hundred mile of Pale on probably <hes> I read it like that 'cause gives a heartbreak every day from going to the tracks and <hes> also got a begin door which we used quite a bit in the wintertime. It's it's almost quarter mile around it so you you don't have to miss so many days there <hes> but <hes> when the weather is very severe. I think it's it's probably good to miss days. You know Rian severe <hes> probably do more than good taking my train over the years where you know <hes> at the spectrum undistracted close <hes> once guys that winning races and then. I don't want to warm up in the second opened again the start training wouldn't do is good you know so. I think it's hard for running that Amore over trains. You know what the running you can keep chipping away and you don't have to do by much mm-hmm you just gotTa keep them happy. Keep meeting and <hes> just getting motorist all and do something with them. You know but obviously it all depends on the arson. It was a young horse of it has a couple of races that have to achieve racism you can you can manage Benjamin better you know what are the changes. You started riding in Ireland and ridden in the U._S.. For such a long time now training. What are the changes that you've seen in the industry mysteries since you I started out <hes> well obviously <hes> in the states gases becoming more and more popular when I was forced here they didn't have grass course churchill ritual <hes> but <hes> it's becoming very popular in the states now more and more grass racing <hes> obsolete that <hes> more smarter outfits which there's pretty much starting to disappear now <hes> and spend the same in Europe as well where the big trainers of most about horses and then very few smaller it's anymore and <hes> they connected where they can get some good horses otherwise got no chance in Europe <hes> I it's so so hard over there to win your fish and you know all the Arabs and <hes> I can <hes> and that's your training for some of those people over there? You almost got no chance you know <hes> here. It's it's not not tight as that year but <hes> you get a lot more <hes> of the bigger changes getting more and more horses and there's very few less smarter outfits <hes> I I'd say even fifteen eighteen years ago there was a lot more people that train the church or worse now. It's you know we have maybe seed as Houston to have one hundred something there <hes> and <hes> Chat Brown in yonkers. There's very big you know so. He's got probably two hundred horses that you're saying so <hes>. There's a lot more of that you know for <hes> back in the day. Never see that you know like Vincent O'Brien in Ireland had probably I know sixty or seventy and never probably anymore that back in the day but he was he was sobering into he selected the best he bought the best and you did the best enough he he concentrated on smaller numbers and did really well. There's no <hes> the bigger outfits one more number so they have more access to to get a bill house but he was was <hes> victims invited to go and integrate for buying arson he had he was unbelievable. Trainers what he was so far. I had to be signed. He taught about him all the time and he <hes> he <hes> easy kind of created a legend. It is now but belly. Does you know <hes> but <hes> in the states. Here's it's kind of going to say it so much too but I think they'll always be to become almost offices here and <hes> you know begin have access to somebody who has the money to buy with <hes>. You've got a much better chance of doing well <hes> Joe. We only have have a couple minutes here left actually to the show. I want to ask you one last quick question here. You've ridden so many different places. I think you're the perfect person asked this <hes>. What's your favorite racetrack? <hes> probably the I would say it's love the attractive thing open got up and track <hes> really the writers <hes> you've got you can always get yourself conviction there. <hes> I was <hes> in states probably church even here because <hes> it's actions about it's great rates in here all the time and <hes> I was enjoyed churchill dough real quick. What do you do for fun in your spare time? <hes> don't go who's never any good at so. I don't do that <hes> so pretty much. <hes> I used to play racquetball haven't been natural much lately but <hes> you know <hes> go like a Houston so <hes> pretty much hearts as horses all the time you know yeah not that I'm going to action to look at babies and and see hydrogen. Maybe spectating buying something that kind of thing so I say busy doing act when a golden sales it takes quite a bit of time so while Joe. I can't thank you enough for joining us. This has been such a pleasure spending the last hour with you hearing your great story. Sorry wishing you all the best Joe. Thanks so much extra sat. Thank you folks you can check out this show and replays of all of our other shows on the website at horse racing radio dot net now. I also want to remind everyone that the P. D. J. F. will be hosting the annual Saratoga Karaoke event. <hes> July twenty ninth check out their website W._W._w.. Dot P. D. J. F. Dot O._R._G.. For more information formation and be sure to join me next Tuesday at six o'clock eastern time with a another edition of Jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka for our producer Lee Della Pena. I'm Christina McMahon Igal.

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REShow: Stephen Jackson, David Feherty, and Mike Tirico. Hour 2 (06-12-20)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. Wine production now available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. School. Is the rich Eisen show the word out rich Eisen show. That's what we need to be mentioning have the mentioned was chauffeured nationwide televised online at richeisenshow dot com earlier on the show. Rolling Stones Chief TV critic Alan Seven walls still to come. NBA Champion Stephen Jackson NBC Sports Golf analyst David Faraday NBC sports host might to Rico plus. David cost and now. You're rich is. Hey everybody. Welcome to this Friday edition. The Rich Eisen show it's our two three when we start every single day from noon to three eastern, as we will be shown starting Monday on NBC S. N. With excited about. All three hours We're on for the next couple of hours on NBC N., and you can catch us on YouTube dot com slash richeisenshow Sirius, Xm channel to eleven. We've got Chris Brockman and Mike del Tufo across the way good to see you try. Always There's live golf happening right now. David Ferte of NBC sports and the Golf Channel Mike to Thereto of NBC. Sports will be joining us both later on in this hour David Constable. Of Billions show that I adore will be joining us in the third hour of the program and the final hour of the program, but I am honored and that is that is one of the many words I am emotionally feeling right now I'm grateful and honored to have on this program. We can describe him as a a fourteen year veteran of the NBA. We had him on talk about his podcast and his participation in the big three. He is an NBA champion, but right now he's a champion for all that is just. He's a champion for his friend on emotional. Talking about this what this man has done he has. Endured and what he is leading right now after the murder of his friend on the streets of Minneapolis. Stephen Jackson joining me here on rich Eisen show. How are you sir? I'm good rich. I am better for talking to you. When did you first meet George Floyd Stephen? When did you first meet him? About Twenty to twenty, not I dunno Zach Time from twenty twenty five years ago, I was in the end of my school. Years mid high school years and A friend of Mine Telly Joyce recipes tell the He brought him down before he burned down. He's got homeboy Houston. Who looks just like you and he played basketball troupe athlete to and when he brought him down to four hundred taxes. I. reaction was who your Daddy Daddy, because we look that much alike, the compensation from there built onto a friendship of him being one of my big supporters him each other. We address each other twin from that day on and You know I got a lot of videos that I've been watching now. Just it it just. It just makes me really emotional. Because he was somebody that really supported me without any motives saying he was James Support and somebody that shows so much. Love had to die from somebody. That's that show so much hate He didn't have to go out like that won't Gosh. That's that's. That's understanding for sure. Right there, so When did you first hear about all this? Did you see the video I did not know it was George of walk me through. How you you? You learned of your friends death. I was on the couch. My daughter was at my house and I was actually on the couch with my daughter, because I can't sit in bed anymore, so we sleep on the couch now and a video from my girlfriend's mom. You know we talked about so we talked about police brutality. A lot needed her, and she something a video and I'm half sleep on my phone wrong with operated and. Like they didn't they didn't killed another brother. You know not even paying attention and she lives in Minnesota of a whole family. Amount leads in Minnesota, and I'm just thinking. It's another video from her and as I see that closely. I put my phone back down in my phone vibrates again and I I have like twenty five and twenty twenty something messages, and I opened a message from my friend Mike D, and they said you see what they did. The twin in Minnesota. And I it is clicked. And I related to both of them, and I just got up screaming. Punch to some stuff scared the mets on my daughter. I kinda lost it for a good ten minutes because you know. I instantly saw myself down there and I I I didn't think that can happen to him. You know and. it. Put me in it. Put me in the place. Where from that day on I don't know how I feel. What direction I'm going to I really I'm just like I'm going in circles, but. From says that day on, you know. I been shot Kanda. Day. Stephen Jackson here on the rich Eisen show. And as you point out, you said you have conversations, about police brutality with your friends your family. The fact, your twin. Is. Somebody who's murder and that's the way to describe it his murder. Is something that appears to be. And again I'm a fifty year old guy, so you tell me it does appear to me that this is different now. And I'm wondering what you think of when you know, it's your friend's. Death who has led to what is happening right now on the streets and around the world. It makes sense to be rich. It makes sense to me because. It was PIMM. Protecting provide for everybody. You know everybody that knows him knows that he'll give. It lasted anybody if he got a hundred dollars in his four people in the car, he's break down. We everybody had the same amount that that that's how he was. the Condo last couple conversations we had when we talk about a year ago. You know what was about. His daughter was about him being in Minnesota and changed his life. You know he wasn't one of those friends that called me for money. You know. He close any clothes and suits for job interviews stuff like that. He was really changed in his life. Man, so I'm not surprised that that that is deaf is going to be made and his name indefinite not gone in vain and I'M GONNA? Make sure that I mean I never thought it will put in a position to to lead eighteen countries and all. The protests at time I'm proud of that and and I and I know he would have did the same thing for me so. Has Been a blessing is also changing his daughter's life so is all I'm. I'm looking at all the positive things that that's coming out his death. Because that's all we can do right now. Who became? Bring it back, but you know I wish they could have been different. Why No! This might be putting you in a position. Steven but I'm curious. And I know it's about what what to do next and moving forward and I do want to get to that. But. Did George know the cop who put his knee on his neck and killed him. Did He know him? Do you think? You know I I heard a lot of stuff. I heard. You know about them working at the same club and it's Kinda hard to be at the same club to not know each other. A lot of things that I talk about I'm I'm in Minnesota now and I've been on the ground and largely being some of my friends. We've been around and a lot of stuff has gotten us so I. Think it's more to come out and do time but I to answer your question. It's kind of hard work at the same club, and not no not bump into each at least once or twice Stephen Jackson here on the rich Eisen show. What do you want people to do Steven? What do you want action wise here? Well at the end of the day rich. You you me awhile. Saw a couple of times and you know that I'm I'm a guy that the same respect that I asked on the same love that that that that I give I respect in return. I give that back to everybody I. Meet regardless of what color you are, and that's what I stand for and everybody that stands for that everybody's dance for love, and it stands for right. I. Want them to stand on the side of me and fight for what's right. And and and they just equal justice I really, and the world has lost commonsense kind of because. It's what makes me most. What what makes me hurt her is that is commonly sense. It's a treat people right like. I don't understand why we have to lose a brother. Why we have? Why my niece has a dad for the world to see. What people don't understand that you have to do is just treat people the way you want to be treated as common sense so. I'm a person that's Dan and I told race that I love Maine and everybody told me the same and I believe so I. If you stand for that, you stamp was right saying with me and FIFA was right in people justice. That's what everybody to be equal, but everybody to be treated right. And and that's what I said but I'm not a politician. I never wanted to be a politician. I'm just I'm just somebody who loves everybody and I think that's why I think it's more people that love them. More people that hate, and that's why everybody together. That's why you're saying the world. That's why you say chain and That's all I. Ask for Yeah I. Know You're not a politician and you never thought you'd. You'd WANNA. Be One. or You'd be in a position of one but I. Mean you're you're you're you're? You're leading a movement now? Sir I mean this is. This is it I mean and the way that you have stepped into this fray is beyond inspiring. I mean I'm getting goosebumps, even saying the words right now the way you have spoken on behalf of the family. On behalf of everybody who has felt the rage. How have you found the moment? Now finding yourself so. I don't I don't know rich. Honestly I tell everybody I didn't I didn't actually just fell in my lap and you know I. I know the situation would have been different, you know. If if I didn't step up his big, my brother see when this happened to my brother, they didn't know he had a twin. The person that was considered a his twin that played in the NBA they had that one of the best podcasts in the world I had a voice and that was going to step up for him. And I knew if I would have stepped up this whole situation. Would it be Dick would have been different. You know so I really I really didn't care how I really didn't care without jeopardize you know I. I just knew it was right and You know everything that's coming from you know, beg nothing, but I am embracing it because I know. I'm getting so many dams so many messages from from people. Supporting me and calling me you know from people that I that I admire. And tell me to keep going. Don't stop so so I know it's bigger than me at this point and like I said it's position fell in my lap and I know God. Don't make mistakes I'm just embracing as well again I. Know you're not a name. Dropper I guess I am, but who, so who have you who who reached out to to have for you to go well? Okay, this is significant. Who is that why I he finds reach out to me I had I had A. Fair car reach out. Tell me I had beyond as Lama reach out to me. I had a lot of people I can go on and on people that I respect that on that that that that are doing a lot of great things Even entertainers best best been social activists for awhile reaching out to me. Tell him to keep going you. You have the voice you know and. That Jesse Jackson. You know a lot of people that call so Even Steve Kerr, you know. Message Steve Kerr and and and the Minnesota the Minnesota. Timberwolves closed message from those guys Adam. Silver Call it. You know all all that stuff. All that stuff meant the lots of me and I. Think Everybody knows that if anybody loves, everybody is me and giving anybody that when they say, they're their brother's keeper. I've shown it before with the two incidents. I had an NBA. Put myself in my life on my brother. So this is nothing new to me. like I say I'm just embracing hope I'm making everybody cry because I. Don't have all. You sure you sure of Steven Jackson couple minutes left with Stephen Jackson here on the rich Eisen Show I. Know It's not your sport, but the NFL Commissioner came out and said that the League was quote Unquote Wrong said that the league was wrong about the peaceful protests that players were conducting and Colin Kaepernick obviously being the individual who led that and Talk about not being able to make stuff up in this world man. We're talking about taking a knee. And how a knee on the neck of your twin murdered him on the streets, and now This is a few months after a a knee in peaceful protests, trying to bring a enlightenment and trying to bring attention to this very subject. We're talking about Stephen Do. You Think Colin. Kaepernick should get as Gig back. Do you think that is something that should come out of all of this Stephen? What I nobody can. Nobody can escape Carmel. Nobody. Nobody wrong is wrong. NFL Did that man wrong. And they and they dealing with the common out. Yeah, being the man, you have to apologize for your wrongs, but part apart apologizes, but you're wrong, many of them and the relationship that you messed up, and and and the first thing is, that should be done is the final way to get Colin Kaepernick in the League and it's not on those sympathy. Is Not Sympathy I. It's more of them admitting they. They did him wrong. He belongs in the NFL you know, and that's what it all boils down to. You know Based on the side. Of Business. Over what was right and that was key, and now it's coming back to vitamin, and that's basically what it is. The world's commonsense in Israel. They dealing with calm right now, and they try to put a band aid on about coming down the policy. Come coming on the job and I understand that because they tried to protect the business, but at the end of the day they done carpenter, Kaepernick wrong and apology should have been directly to. You know it shouldn't have been to. The world shouldn't have been about that they they undecided nearly now and then they go support it. No, it should have been A. A clear apology to Colin Kaepernick. And how are they GONNA? Pick getting back in the NFL. That's the person I need to apologize to. And then and then the the issue that NASCAR I. Don't know if you've if you've caught this because again. I know you buried your friend earlier this week, but NASCAR bubba Wallace an African American driver, the only one on on the on the NASCAR, circuit driving in Richard Petty's car with the words, black lives matter on the side, and then on that very race day, NASCAR says no more confederate flag allowed. This is this is. This is something I never thought I would say to a microphone. Stephen based on everything. That's going on, I wonder what your thoughts on that subject Dr. Yeah I mean I can't help but know. Everybody's saying it to my. To My phone, saying look what you restrained. Look what you've done. You know. Look what you have good. And I thought that video before that happened. I thought that video. All those race races may not salute amok. The video brought me to tell. Because it's simple. I keep getting emotional, but it simple is real. Simple is not rocket science cheek declined you WANNA be treated and I and the video made me mostly. Nascar man that's big and I'm just happy that everybody's seeing the light and everybody's coming out and support, and it's about the. It's about children's Steven. I guess to wrap this up. It's about kids. It's about raising kids. In the manner that you're talking about treating you treating each other like you WanNa, be treated it very simple. raising kids who don't see color. You know the the the next generation creating a generation where they do not see caller, and everybody does love one another and I know that that sounds pie in the sky, but maybe we're seeing the changes here and maybe Jonah. You mentioned your your nieces. Six Year. Old Daughter of George can help be in that world and we can help her out. To help create this World George. How how do we do that? Well I it so many people that that they're reaching out to help John and direct. Trading a mom and alcohol salaries, and and it. It's been a blessing because it ended the day with it happened to my brother. My first thought was you know. How can I help Gina and Roxie and the CIA change their lives from this and try to compensate them and protect them as much as I can do in this process and and that's what I was supposed to go on and on and I'm helping do that. And and gee-gee is a beautiful, so I think that moment. That we had the world of when she said her daddy changed, the world is just amazing that she knows that. Because as we will walk, she's saying. Daddy everywhere and really not understanding what's going on because she's young, but she's dealing with a lot. You know she's. She's scared at time. She's guarded time and she's going to need a lot of love to get through the situation, but she she's such a smart and beautiful girl, and and and and she knows she. She's intelligent enough to know what's going on so I mean hopefully hopefully. Dr Statement and And the and and she can help change the world, but I'm I'm fighting for her dad. I'm fighting for her for the rest of my life and I. Hope that we're on the country. Continue to follow with me when you said you're going to walk her down the aisle. That got me I'll tell you that. It was misty in my room when I saw that I'll tell you that Stephen. That was something. My condolences. Is the only thing I can say to you other than thank you for coming on this show and spreading any way that we can help spread the love and spread the word. We are here. Stephen, Jackson you know that, please? You always been my guy rich appreciate, thank you and you know I'm always there for you and matt for the smoke. You know I told that to you before I'm I'm ready to I'm ready to sit in the smoke and get all the smoke and. You know what I mean Stephen. We got I'm ratings right now, so we shopping around, so we're GONNA get with. Okay. Very good, did not I'm I'm? There is basically what I'm saying. Thanks for the call Stephen Really. Love. What you're what you're doing what you're saying and and all my love to you. Thank you right back at you Stephen Jackson. Who? Take a break. We'll come back. And we'll be joined by our friend, David Ferte as we will talk a little bit of Golf. What's going on a real live sporting event Max and the richeisenshow? Okay we are back here on the show. That that went about as. Man I can't. You know. I can't say enough. Could you imagine you're lying there and you're thinking? It's happened again and not and then Oh. Gosh. It's somebody that use referred to as your twin. Oh! About that, yeah! I don't even know what to say right now. Other than just like The already say it's it's. Isn't that a simple thing? Treat you like you WANNA BE? Treated something you hear when you're a kid growing up, treat others the way you want to do. Anything Nice to say don't say anything at all. It's the things you hear. All the time from your parents growing up. But. To See adults not practice that hume at Barnes for free agents to I, didn't either. Great podcast is amazing. Right I mean they? They're great. Yeah, it's it's a muscle. Then the smoke is is. The smoking conversation the conversation not. Heard? TJ Laugh laughing either that over there. Not what else is happening? Oh, my hair! Varner is in the called the house rich leader at eleven. Thank you for that. Thank you for that heads up. Appreciate that he's speed is still on the course. He's five hundred today one back. Rory is eight under today also won back all right. How about that man yeah. And some breaking news and Florida. Governor Ron. DISENTIS is signing the bill to allow college athletes to get paid endorsement deals starting July first twenty twenty one. So Florida become the first State that that Beats California the California it allows college athletes to get endorsements. Will, be back to here. Could. You imagine what would have done with that? Stay, baby? and. Did you see Michael Irvin Sodas transferring fau? Did you see that? No, yeah, leaving Miami to go to four. It went. I wonder what that's about that last week I don't think he was getting playing time. And so that's significant because I remember her telling me, he told his son. There are three things he could not. He could not change about his his life. He couldn't change his name. He couldn't change his name. He couldn't change his family and he couldn't change the fact that he was gonNA. Play at the University of Miami. Those are the three things he told his on. It can't change your name I think it was his name. He can't change your family. You can't change your. That's right. You can't change. Your family can't change your religion. It can't change your educator the yes he's transferring. AFFORD ALANTIC. So Yeah I would expect the Florida college recruiting. To go way up. ALL RIGHT Let's take a break. We're back with David Ferte. Moment. Do you own or rent your home? Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy. Bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing, too, because you already have so much to do around your home, go to Geico, dot com get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. GEICO DOT com today. That's GEICO. Dot, com, Gi I., C., O. DOT COM. Welcome back what conversation we just had with. With, Stephen Jackson, real world, real real stuff going on and the real world as we know middle of the pandemic as well and anytime we see a sports saying we're GONNA give this a world, and then it comes back, and you see it, and even though is no fans. It's like okay I I kind of like it and what we've seen over the first round and a half of the Charles Schwab. Challenge who's in the clubhouse right now Christopher right now. Oh the CO costs. Harold Harold Verner okay, and it talked about all. This is our friend from NBC and a Golf Channel. David Ferte back here on the show our David Very well Richie I give her up in the on. It's good to see actual players plan competitive. Go look I I loved the Brady and Peyton. And Phil, and Tiger and I loved the The. Dustin Johnson and rory. And in the guys getting back together, you know to me. This is the real deal as exciting. This is fun, right, yeah! I thought it was great. I was sort of expecting the I I like. You was glad to see any kind of goal. You know with the other stuff, but this was much better than much more enjoyable, and I expected it to be why so? Well just the Gulf was so good. I thought These guys came back with a vengeance. Just You know ready to play. And I guess this means that they've They've been working on their game Solta David Wright well enough time. That's like three times the length of the normal winter break. And I think it's really. You Know I. Think it's done. Marvels for Jordan. Speak for example. You know he played beautifully yesterday. Yeah, also came out a house afire earlier today he was four. He birdied four of his first nine. It was pretty. is looked pretty good, and then you got a little bit of a double bogey. There What do you make of? This is the thing that all my friends were were. We're talking about certainly last night when we were. We're all chatting Bryson to shambles. Look! It looks like he spent some time in a weight room during his quarantine. Yeah! Yeah, he is If you look at his the change that he's had over the last eighteen months I'm I'm not sure how much weight he's but on, but it's pretty much all also, and he You still go about everything It's you know it's. It's the right muscles he's. He's developing as well. Yeah, I mean. How do you think that's going to? What what is what is the po-point bulking up? If you're if you're a golfer? David well, he's just. His swing is is the type this wing that you know you can get more weight behind it. If If you look at his driving statistics, he's put on. I think close to thirty yards. certain you know like twenty-five yards in the last eighteen months, and that that makes a huge difference that's to clubs. Or a club and a half these days and you know if you. Take you take that away? You know you're going with nine hundred instead of seven or something like that, so I mean that's a huge difference. Yeah, I mean Rory. mcilroy is eight on the day right now. He is just firing at pens. Varner is is sitting in the clubhouse. What do you know about this Kid Varner? Daily, he's one of the most popular kids all right there. You got a terrific sense of humor. Really smart on on on a terrific young player am a great character, really A. Joy To be around one of the things that we definitely took out of. The two events for charity that we saw again headlined by One on NBC and the family of networks with Dustin Johnson and Rory mcilroy, and that Kid Wolf, and obviously rickie Fowler and Tom and Phil and tiger and Payton's being miked up, would you? Do you think that maybe some of the players would be? Wouldn't be mind being miked up sorta like an NFL player during these competitions with Fans David, you know and I with no fans I think it's a terrific idea. actually even with. Have always been. kind of in favor of maybe not the players but the CADDY's. So that you got that interaction. Between the quite often, it's more important what the says and You know you'd get the peripheral you know. audio rounded as well. I think it certainly something worth thinking about. Maybe just I. Don't know if it just affects your swing or affects anything your concentration. If you feel those battery packs. rickie Fowler is the only one who's agreed to do it this week. Chris, so what you're saying. Yeah, that's all right stayed on the broadcast, so it looks like some. At least somebody's going to be attempting to do it. I just don't. It might be too much of a distraction for somebody David. Well. The equipment is so It's so small these days I remember one of the early Skins Games that I did done in Mexico. I had to hit a shot with the headset and they the the waist pack. Owner on other recreate one of Jack. Nicklaus bunker shots no pressure there. And I'd I clean shanked into Lady Shins. you know it was It was, but stuff is You know just improved so much over the years. It's not as just a little sort of a to buy three pack on one wire. I don't really see that being a problem hobby. Good What what do you think of cap? Is Mustache David. What do you think of Brooks coming out of the coming out of the quarantine with? Sort of knows furniture. Seventies Porno Mustache. Burt Reynolds. You know like that. That's the. That, but yeah, I mean just coming out like that. And just you know hand on hip just with that sort of steel glare I mean that's that's a that's a statement, don't you think? Maybe, he thinks people won't Greg Him I'm not sure. I guess we'll know. We'll know again I'm I mentioned this the other day? We'll know if everybody is just going to be chill and I know that the competition competition, but we take so many things for granted in this world right and that. That now. The sport is back and we're seeing it that. Maybe we're a little bit more laid back. We'll know if it's the most laid back situation, if kept standing in the middle of the fairway and bryce shambles on his eighteenth look at something that's inside the leather and kept because like I don't care. You know like we'll know that right. Now would be more laid back. That's for sure, but you know one of the things I think. is sort of an advantage to the new players. They only golf that we've seen on television like this. is college golf. You know where you get the kids out there and they're there just aren't very many people around. So you know some of the the you know the new recruits from the Korn ferry tour may be You know they may have a little edge there. Are you know a little more at home than some of the established players? So what through you watching this stuff over the weekend David. You've got a man cave. You got the situation. Set Up I. Mean What what? What does it look like to watch golf with David Ferte. David Well I'm bit of a Germaphobe show with the present situation. You know the whole out I actually watching the full length condom. Even. Even when I'm in house you know so it's Kinda hard to communicate with me, but you know I I've been half nine half mattress for about the last four months Yup and at this time of the year at NBC. We wouldn't be doing much anyway. Sure but you know watching TV with me, especially watching golf I. It's not a particularly athletic endeavor. Shall we say so I mean? Do you? Are you a talker? You eat something or are you? What are you? What are you? What do you got going on David? With the. Six feet apart. Great difficulty keeping six feet between me and the refrigerator. Okay, and my My two new Powell's banning Jerry. Yang so. So! Yeah there. There's generally some last occasion going on excellent use of mass occasion David. Just fantastic. You know what that means Chris. You're not that means a down. I'm looking at upright means eating. Day. You're talking over my guys. Doing here this just as some chewing on you talking over, but I got it I got done with straight ahead, David. Thank you for the time. Really appreciate. It always enjoy our chats big time and enjoy watching the live golf and I look forward to chatting with you very soon. Yeah thank you anytime right back at you and I enjoyed being on your show David Fahrid's Greg. Keep doing home in homes with each other NBC sports and Golf Channel Alice right here. On the rich Eisen show. See I knew he'd be all over the landscape today. You know obviously in one of those days final hour of our show we've got. David Constable on wags and billions. And, then earlier in our first hour on our youtube channel, we went down that Sopranos Wormhole that we went down yesterday with Alan Wall, the Rolling Stone TV critic, the Chief TV critic for Rolling Stone. And and obviously Stephen Jackson very moving conversation with him can't lead to chat with my old buddy Mike Tariq owes lunch. Talk. Live has been proceeding for the last two months on NBC `send. Didn't. I knew he'd be in many different ways talking about somebody. Different things didn't expect the words full-body condom to be mentioned today That one out there, David, fairly. You just never know what it's GonNa come out of. The Shang ready for anything, wasn't he? Boar hunting one time when we talk correct threat. Yes, while you never know what's happening with that, do not so. Nothing quite like it Let's go to the phone lines Dale and Orlando Florida calling us here in the richeisenshow its upscale. Hey Rich before we get too far away from last week. And I tried to call this week which we're busy You're opening model extra statements about what was going on in the country. We're we're right on? I was so impressed and heartfelt. And I thought about my father was passed would have called you a mench? That's the ultimate compliment man. I really appreciate you saying that. Del Thank you, but now I have the opposite side of that coin. Okay The word begins with that C.. H. M. won't finish it in your opinion about the. Movie. Rudy Rudy now like no no I'm. Talking Josh, you should make the reunion of Oh. We've talked about a ton of them. Shashank Shashank or another. Midnight run. What's the matter with now is? Run so high on your list. Not your favorite movie of all time favorite might top two hundred my favorite. Oh my goodness, Dale, we're this is where we're going to have to agree to disagree. my favorite movie of all time is the sting, okay? Newman and Redford and Robert Shaw and that that movies I would I wore out the V. H. S. Tape I have it. I taped it off of I think channel eleven W PIX in New York. One time and I. You know. I wore out the VHS tapes. Run that your favorite comedy. It is my favorite comedy of all time that and the over all. Mel Brooks movies. Now! He's now he's he's. Witnesses. Overall Mel Brooks movies. I will say yes. Movie was better now. Come on now, no. But the the other, the only and I do love all Mel Brooks movies. The only and thank you for the call. Appreciate it the only other film that comes close to me in terms of comedy. Is The inlaws, which is amazing, the original inland okay? With all due respect to I believe Albert, Brooks and Michael Douglas did it. Yeah, but. and Arkan- art I mean. In the originally in-laws. Therapy is a must see. If. There's any Chris I. Know I'm talking to you. You've never seen a desk. All my word, definitely not. Laugh out loud, brilliant, my little friend, but to me midnight run. It's IT'S A. It's moving. It's well acted. It's Deniro for crying out loud. The nineteen seventy-nine version harass. Correct! lulling minds stop. Gosh funny as L.. Oma Gosh please Colombo Peter. You, don't you don't associate him with comedy? Now, but oh my Gosh Alan Arkin so brilliant. You must see it Chris. It could be Larkin's best Allen's and sit down with Sarah Sarah. Jonah knows comedy as we all know one of the funniest comedians on on the circuit. When she's not home. Dealing with. The diesel bundle of joy, who's clearly having some problems sleeping to thirty? AM ISSUE LAST WELCOME? This kid welcome, do you have? Do you have the? The drop from his favorite Christmas movie. That everything. That's right. Mike TIRICO will be joining us next. I love this man. NBC sports hosts play by play, man, and so much more rock onto her next. Yeah. I i. He got me with the MEL. Brooks right their. Best Mel Brooks. Comedy. Is a toss up. Between Blazing Saddles Young Frankenstein. Toss Up. And then. After that you've got the producers. Have you ever seen the original producers Chris now. HIGH ANXIETY HIRING ZAIDI IS A. Great movie where he spoofs all the hitchcock films in it. And Madeline, Kahn is a through line almost every one of these. And Chorus Leach men as well. The actress course Lieberman whose line from high anxiety I used on sportscenter for many years. where she played an evil nurse. In the mental institution that is at the center of high anxiety that was run by Harvey Korman. WHO's another through line through blazing saddles and high anxiety? And I think it was called. The Institute for the very very nervous is the name of the UH. The insane asylum. And she was the evil nurse diesel. And she ran through the rules of the institute very very nervous at dinner. Those who are late. Do. Not Get Fruit Cup. It and I use that as one of my sportscenter catchphrases when somebody was thrown out at A. At Thorn at home, plate or third base, trying to stretch a double to a triple. Or somebody trying to score on a single. He lives who are late. Do not get Fruit Cup. And he used the same actors and actresses in which was awesome like he was very. Sandler you know how? Brilliant, Cameo. And believe on credited in young Frankenstein. Yes, as the blind priest was gene Hackman hoosiers own Gina. Gina appeared at the very end of young Frankenstein in the house. Baseball's GM space. have. We forgotten history of the world. See History of the world to me. Is the best because the he is just. The way he's at his most How can I say even with springtime for Hitler and obviously blazing saddles, but I think he's at his at his most blue. He's worked most blue history the world, yeah! All right. We're back with more in a second. Do you, own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what's in bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing, too, because you already have so much to do around your home. GO TO GEICO DOT COM, get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. GEICO DOT com today. That's Geiko Dot. com, G. I. C.. O. Dot Com. Eight four, four, zero. Four is the a number to dow here on the rich Eisen show. Mike tirico calling in in a hot minute here on NBC. In our final hour we're GONNA. Go Down, a fun road with the actor David. Constable who's been in both breaking bad and better call Saul. And now he's wags billions. He is phenomenal. In everything that he does so. That'll be an hour number three also in our final hour of the program. Chris? I had another football dream. Another dream about. On the way ball so and anytime I have one. That's so vivid. But I have to I have to talk about it. and. I. Don't know why I had it. Maybe you can help me. Okay psychoanalyze later on sure thing I will share it because I, I share. She said you got up in the middle of the night and wrote it down in the middle of night whenever it was towards the end okay of my of my. Early this morning. wrote it down. It's weird. But I'll share it because that's the way I roll here the rich Eisen show we share. I love this man, so does my wife as she worked with him. work in college football for many years way back on ABC when ABC sports did all that he's now the face and Voice of so many events for our friends NBC and his show lunch talk. Live has been proceeding ours for the last two months. I love this man I don't care who knows it. His name's Mike Tirico. How are you Mike? I feel the same for you rich. Even though you've run out of the neighborhood that you're shows too big just. Move along. Move along through Heather Block. Greg Dominate. You know Mike. I just lied love watching you. Do your thing. I've enjoyed seeing your your office. You're you know we all flex with our home offices? When we show them off, you know. Did you say you had a Rusi? Onis stick that what you told me one time. That's what's behind my back. Michael Rusi! Oni Michael. Autographed stick It's a wooden stick Canadian brand and a bunch of the hockey. Guys who I know that is really really old school and I. Guess It is but I don't have many autographs I think. I may have bought that. In all or one that I should say it all, and so have you had any? Kind of. Really, do we? Have you had it authenticated. Do we know that that's? It's not like Mike Rusi on I like. April of authenticity with it so. It could be. Garlic dies. No. It served for good story for weeks. Living Who Cares if it's mark? Stick who cares. You know it's it's funny man. You send a text me and my wife a few weeks ago. About watching a replay of that Michigan Michigan State triple overtime game that you doing play by play. She was doing sideline of where I was actually at the game in person and fearful of her life, because Michigan fans stormed the field I thought I'd never see her again. But what have you seen of in this quarantine? Where everybody's running back? That used saw that you call that you either forgot you called, or you sat back, okay? This is something that I'm I'm glad I was part of over the last few weeks. Well, the the the funds that was in a stretch when when I texted you all that game was on. The stretch, there was just one run of about I. Think Ten nights or so that things that I did on ESPN or ABC reared in different places. Every night like nine thirty. Give this text random person. Hey, watch watching this game. Hey, I remember this game. which was what I think. I've I think I've seen six or seven Monday night, Football Games rear here's. I may do as many Monday night football. This year's anybody else but. The the one the one that I did actually sit and watch. A one more time was the return to Katrina New Orleans game back in two thousand six fifty three weeks after hurricane. Katrina fifty. Five weeks game was that was. Our third Monday night. Football game ESPN so that was game three. In that run from me and it was I was doing play by play, Joe, size and Tony. Kornheiser and I kind of watch the game. Afraid of watching it now fourteen years later 'cause hopefully you get better at what you do fourteen years after the fact and I'm thinking Oh my God I must have been terrible here and the game was so enjoyable to watch, and I thought Tony was just the perfect person to have their that night and the whole deal soup to nuts in the Steve gleason blocked punt to the first game in the Dome for drew brees Sean Payton, as a head coach quarterback, Combo to everything around it with you to in Green. Day doing a concert before the game, it was a cool experience, and that was the one that I went back to watch. Just sat absorbed the whole game and And really look back at it with great pride very little to do with me. Call Him thirty five or whatever, but when everybody else did on the show including Jay Rothman and shipping, who were my producer director for my ten years of Monday night football, a great friends and are awesome. What they do that was great memories for me, and it was so nice part of looking back that all these encore broadcasts. I I was there that night with NFL network? We brought the NFL network for there and and did pregame and postgame there because it was such, an important night the commissioner Paul Tagliabue was there and as we all know, he insisted. That New Orleans not be abandoned and I think that'll be discussed at length when when the commissioner does get inducted into the hall of fame when when that happens, but I remember I was sitting next to Marshall Faulk a native son of that great city watching the the coin toss and everyone kind of disappointed that the saints had to start on defense, right? That was a big thing. Okay, we want to see drew brees here. We go okay Star on defense and then. On the second down. I think vick fumbles the ball balls loose on the ground and the place went crazy, but it rolled out of balance. And the number of things that could have gone differently coin toss Balden. Roll out of bounds, actually rolled to a saint. That that didn't happen, but it led to Steve gleason, blocking that punt, which is now a statue in front of that stadium. Believable how how things work out right, you know. It was it was it was incredible I remember obviously you get the game going. You don't WanNa step on stuff. There's so much other stuff going on, but it was one of those games where they open your microphone to the public address, so you are the PA and. Introduce the national anthem and I remember President Bush forty one was doing the ceremonial coin toss, and there was a brief moment that I do vividly go. Oh. My Gosh I'm good eater. News the president. Don't don't screw this up. Whatever you do, say George Bush moly go screw. Up. And then the cascade of events and That's the reason I watch. The Game Back Ridge I've been a lot of the game after the gleason punt block was a blur to me because of all the buildup. In You wanted to nail the on camera at the start of the game and all that stuff, so it was that night rich. I've talked about that a little bit. The last couple of weeks and we've been asked a lot about Why sports has become a significant part of the conversation post protest here or as the protests have been going on and I always was of the opinion that sports has more of a meaning than three minutes at the end of the local newscaster section of the newspaper. Maybe we were trying to justify our existence, but that night. I refer to all the time when I speak about sports because. That night reminded me that sports has such a civic pride that almost nothing else carries. That night in the superdome there were white and black, and they were female and male, and every religion could imagine a people who were this great big bullying based this great big new, this great big collection of people who would identify themselves differently on the census box. They're all wearing New Orleans Florida Lee there. We're in saint stuff. And they were all there to celebrate, and that events showed the World New Orleans was ready to be open for business again more than any event and the orchestra the ballet. They don't run around with New Orleans across the Tuxedo or the Blouse that they're wearing football, players and basketball players do, and they represent civic pride. The community and that night forever cemented to me. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA be very defensive about what sports sports meaning is in our world and I I was glad I had that experience first hand because I believe in it passionately. I think we're seeing it with the actions from athletes in leagues and teams around the country around the world right now well said Mike here here. No doubt about it Mike Tirico here on the rich. Eisen show just hearing what you had to say about. You know introducing the president. Stuart Scott and I were asked by George Bush's white. House to do the play by play of t-ball. They used to hold t ball games on the on the south. Lawn of the White House and our. Our assignment however was for late September in two thousand. And One and obviously with nine eleven hitting that got canceled, and when it came time to do it again, though about a year later, Stewart couldn't do it, so I went and I I I was there I've said I'm in, and they walked me through the the run of show, and they're like so here's a bunch of cards for you to read, and here's the first card for you to read as soon as you see the president. And and the first lady walked down. Read this card. Make sure you read it. Word for word and I looked down at. It's like ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome the present in the United States and Mrs Laura Bush and I thought to myself. That's that's okay. That's a piece of cake. What else you got for me and I start looking at the show, and it's time now you stand up and they play hail to the chief, and then you look up and you see the president. The first lady walking down I'm like holy crap. Where's that? Where's that? Slipped out using all my God. Oh! It's amazing how your mind can process something big. Don't want to screw up. It's. It's like anybody plays Golf, okay? Do you see the forty yards a fair way to the right? Would you see the pond to the left? And last thing if you're laughing. Stairway. Don't hit it. They're. Put into the water that bats that brings us. My God. I'm GonNa make a massive mistake so Yeah, I know. Exactly feeling then those are those the good time. Oh! And another story to tell you about I know you'll enjoy because I know you're. You're great friends with Fowler so so the other night. Michigan Colorado. Nineteen ninety-four is being replayed on. ESPN okay and SOM- catching that now, Mike, you know my son. Nine year old comes town. It's Michigan. Football Mike well first of all one thousand nine hundred, and plus this does not end well. He goes, so we're not going to watch. I'm Mike Well. Watch it up to a point. So. So but I'm seeing. Fowler is zooming in from from from his home and doing some pre taped interviews I think tyrone, Wheatley and with with With the? Warm blanket quarterbacks named my Gosh with with. It right so anyway, so he's doing these interviews, and whatever so I text him, and I'm like. You know. Get guess what's on ESPN right now. That I'm watching and he's like. What am I you know? Michigan got the ball with five minutes left and a twelve lead. And he writes back Oh. Yeah, that's what's on right now. Okay, he goes. I think the lead safe. What are the chances question mark? And I forgot I hit. Send Mike. Where did he go to school? I totally forgot Oh. My Gosh, that's that's. That's the reminder of what makes us sporting event special? And we've had a lot of things you go back. You Watch the encore presentation and you still WanNa. See even though you know exactly the way it ends. It's like a good movie. I WANNA. Relive it again. I watched last. Saturday, 'cause I've done a lot of the League and tags for our NBC racing folks. I wasn't working the event right, but. When American Sarah won the Belmont Tom Hammond. Who was just so great? Covering the triple crown races in covered so much horse racing? has a degree. In equine science I did not know I'm said that that was the loudest he had ever heard. A sporting event he's done Olympics and all those events and to watch that few minutes after Farrow wins the Belmont because it was thirty seven year. Wait as Larry Combs, the track announcer call the race announcer. Call on that moment. just to watch it again. I'm sitting there going. I! Know he's GonNa. Win and I'm GonNa Still Watch this? It was just. So much fun, but that has been. A little bit reminder of what we're missing and we were just talking about this rich on a conference call with our production team this week. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA do the Belmont stakes next week. Yep and there'd be no fans, but the Belmont will run and you. You're the one hundred fifty second one five to Belmont stakes. You know what this is. The first American classic sporting event that will be held. Arguably since the NBA All Star game. It's been great to have golf back. Obviously, it's great. They've NASCAR Beckmann. NASCAR has earned daytonas back. Golf is playing its first event since the players was shorted never we haven't had a major other sports. But the American classics. The Tent Poles that kind of define our sports history year after year. The. Last one was arguably the NBA. All Star game eighty. If you say that you go to the Super Bowl before that and nothing of that ilk regard until you get to the Belmont stakes, which is still although out of order, a triple crown race, so it Kinda next week I'm getting really excited as we end the talk show to kind of get ready for. Getting back to what I love this job for, and that's these huge events that you talk about for years and years and years while you're the best atman and appreciate everything that you do and everything that you have done. And and and following you on NBC the last couple of months has been a treat, totally husband, brother. You know how I feel about you Mike. To to four two thirty am squirts at. The following each other after elbow with the Sun Up, which is pretty cool, so that's I love the show. Keep it going I. Have a great appreciation for what you guys do every day. You Dan, Patrick and everybody mad. It's it's hard to do one of these shows every day for three hours. Let alone for one hour. Let alone three so. Keep on doing and I look forward to watch the and keep crushing it right back at you. Mike you take care yourself. That is Mike. That's that's the one and only Mike Tirico. I mean. He said that there hasn't been A. Classic American sporting events since the NBA, All Star game. What do you call the combine? Come on! The disrespect Vertex for your forty jumping. You know the. NBA All Star game with the new format. This year feels like nineteen years ago, but that was fun. It was awesome our third hour. It'll be a great fun. Eight, four, four, zero, four, rich David Costal of billions and your phone calls and my crazy dream. When everybody's afraid, the best way to deal with it is by coming together. It's certainly seems a lot bigger. Than anything we've seen. In my lifetime and the combination of the protests and looting and the pandemic, all these things combined together to make for really uncertain times, and when people are uncertain about their future. That's why people rebel. Martin Luther King said riding is the voice of the hurting. The only surprise is that it's taken. This long capita didn't even bring the focus to himself. You know he just happened to be taking a knee and somebody caught him with a vocab. What would you have done in that moment at that time? If he were your player, would you? How would you handle that but hug him? Yeah, absolutely. If you were president. How would you improve race relations on people? You know on walkout there. Listen you know. Take advice on one thing. I had all. This PC rodier white people were the ones that need to change. This is probably controversial. I would imagine he gets a blowback or something like that of people. Calling them out as racist which I wasn't doing in order for things to change that people need to take measures and understand be very so aware about what's going on with them, and how people are living their lives. A lot of people don't seem to have much to look forward to right now. What do you think we should be looking forward to? As a nation I? Mean Look, there's no better time ever to start a business the right now because all businesses are effectively going through a recent, and so there's a lot of advantages and with the protests and the riots that gives us just one clean up. Hope that maybe we'll make progress. Maybe this time we'll listen. For more from Mark Cuban including which jobs will exist in the future economy, and how we can beat China listen to episode three sixty, two of the Jordan Harbinger show on apple, podcasts, spotify, or wherever you're listening now.

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REShow: Emmanuel Acho. Hour 1 (11-13-20)

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REShow: Emmanuel Acho. Hour 1 (11-13-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on apple. Podcasts i've one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. This episode is sponsored by schwann's dot com. What are you having for dinner tonight. good question schwann's home. Delivery has a solution for you. Stock up your freezer with high quality frozen foods like premium meats insides delicious ready made meals ice cream and more no subscriptions no memberships just a friendly yellow truck. That's been delivering food for almost seventy years listeners. Of this show get a special deal get twenty percents off your first order with code yum. Twenty checkout schwann's dot com backslash yum for details wanna hear something amazing discover matches all the cash back you earn on your credit card at the end of your first year automatically dollar for dollar with no limit on how much you can earn extra cash. Come on how amazing is that. 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It's our usual friday show. we'll go higher register to say things way appear. Now we gotta go up here to believe. We also have got chris brockman sneaky good games. I got three games in the week. Ten docket that started last night. That's under the radar for everybody to to take a look at. I even have an unlucky lock of the week i do. I am hooked on a feeling of some form an upset. That's coming in week ten. That said i i'm having. I'll be very honest. I'm having a very difficult time. Prognosticating games. I won the game day morning picks contest last year. The last two weeks have just been a total. Take every piece on the chessboard and throw throw it. In the air. f-. I mean the the sunday night. Football game Nobody chose the saints. And when i say nobody that's not one of those just like i'm i'm i'm. I'm exaggerating for effect literally. Nobody on game day morning or football night in america or any other show that i saw. I didn't see a single florida lee on the screen. I also didn't seem to see a single jet logo for monday night. Football and yet the jets snatch defeat from the jaws of victory to remain winless. And then last night man. I should have known better. I was there one night in In denver colorado chilly night was a week fifteen late in the season. The broncos were were making their way towards a successful run in the playoffs and peyton manning's in the building and philip rivers comes in with the san diego chargers and beats them. I've seen you know. I've seen it so many times before and i should. I should have seen this one coming. I should have seen this one coming especially since chris brockman you and i- prior to the season chose the colts to win the afc south in the win. They began the season. In the way that the titans began the season we We were licking our wounds. It seemed but it's a marathon not a sprint now. Through ten weeks culture and first place. What a win last night. Every phase of the game to every phase of the game ryan tannehill and the titans were the proverbial hot knife through butter to start. The game scored a quick touchdown. But the colts steeled themselves on defense. Even though derrick henry god has yards didn't put it in the end zone himself they kinda bent but didn't break with derrick henry as many teams to defensively they were in tanny hills grill all night long and offensively colts hit him with the hines last night. The repeatedly naive hines everybody. Naim hines everybody multiple touchdown games. That's what this guy does did a couple of weeks ago against the lions did it last night. It was his birthday. I've got a great old stat when it comes to that in terms of multiple touchdown games on your birthday in the nfl. It's a rarity and then a blocked punt as you know the the titans are on a backup. Punter blocked punt four touchdown all three phases in that blocked punt was the backbreaker made it a to score game and that was the end of that. Titans couldn't come back. Stephen gostkowski is now on the verge of his old teammate and coach rebel the dreaded evaluating the kicker is what variable said after the game last night. There without taylor on the offensive line is banged up. The defense is susceptible to every team in the nfl these days except the chicago bears offense and so the titans are now in second place at six and three and the colts with philly riv- and three hundred eight yards and that touchdown last night. And nyheim hines. It was his hot hand that they kept playing last night. And philip rivers is now gotten a passer rating of one hundred or more in three of the last four games. He did it only once in the colts. First five games. He had a much better game than tanna last night. Three hundred yards passing one hundred and fifty more than tannahill and philip rivers now fifth on the all time passing yards list passing dan marino said he had a a poster of the wall breeze. Brady payton manning. Far philip rivers. That's your top five on the passing list all time right now and it sparks the usual conversation about philip rivers. Is he a hall of famer. Does he deserve enshrinement. In the pro. Football hall of fame is he a stat compiler. Has he won enough big games. Can you tell the story of the nfl. Without philip rivers. Well on the passing list. You can't tell the story of the nfl. philip rivers. He's five he's not done yet he's not done yet. He has the stats to get into the pro football hall of fame. His predecessor many times removed in san diego. Dan fouts is a pro football hall of famer with far fewer all time passing yards and also ring lewis. I think philip rivers is a hall of famer. I do not believe he is a first ballot hall of famer. He has the ability to make him self that if he wins with the colts this year. That's crazy talk rich. How can you remember the colts. This year well defense pretty good offensive line pretty good. philip rivers. Getting stronger frank. Reich has church bells for playcalling. You get my drift. I love the way he calls a gay man. I do i do. I know some of those fourth down attempts did not work out. a lot of wilkins. Stuff's at the line of scrimmage last night didn't matter though did it and i'll i'll say this too about philip rivers and and i know this won't go over well with some of our listeners on the mighty ten ninety here in southern california and the mighty and chargers fans everywhere but chris just let me ask you this question. How many times has philip rivers playing behind. Four or five backup offensive lineman in front of him this year. How many times okay. How many times has philip rivers. Lost a game three different ways in the last sixty seconds of a game this year. How many times. How many times has he had the game won. And then all of a sudden it's teed up on his kickers foot doesn't work or there's a fumble on the half yard line three different times. Which by the way was the last time. The chargers were in tennessee last year. The difference between phillips last two trips to tennessee. It's chargers honestly. Look at philip rivers entire career with the chargers and how many times he did have some great teams. That two thousand sixteen it was set up for success and philip was playing on No ligaments i believe in championship. Game in new england. Remember that i got but the constant churn of the offensive line and in front of him getting hurt. The constant shots philip rivers staring into the abyss at the football gods while a ball bounced off an upright from like thirty yards away. Because it was all set up by philip porn. Out his blood sweat and tears in a final drive. Three-quarter arming his way. Down the field watching the ball hit an upright or just needing just needing to take a knee but instead it's just one more time fumble. Sometimes he was the victim of to not saying he didn't throw interceptions in the last couple years. He did a lot of that but the notice. All of the things that philip had biden in san diego slash los angeles not weeks in here seen it haven't seen it get going but last month. He's been great. Remember that last year in tennessee chargers at the game one touchdown hold on a minute after further review. It's nine one. Next one touchdown after further review now didn't get in again one more time fumble game over this time around. I stopped at the line again. Gain on fourth down. Here turn it over. On downs there minds touchdown. Now you hines. Touchdown blocked punt touchdown sack sack sack of the opponent. Double digit wins. Philip talking about him as a hall of famer because he's fifth on the all-time passing seems to be a good spot for fill up and they are playing. Well they're playing well and overlook them there's no doubt about. It will overlook you got kansas city on a bi week at eight one. And then you've got obviously the steelers at eight no and then the ravens who will talk about with some significance on this show there on sunday night. Football on nbc. Six two. got the bill's going to arizona. That's big tool for the dolphins. Oh my gosh. What a run he might be on the browns coming off a bye above five hundred. We'll see what they look like. All they have to do is beat. The houston texans. And they're six and three. My gosh can the browns make the playoffs raiders. Five and three. See what happens this week. They beat denver. They're six and three and then they go into a home game against kansas city. Try and sweep the chiefs. My gosh what can they do. This is what the conversation is going to be while the afc south colts. who do they. Who do you have on your fantasy team with the colts again. That's the metric that a lot of people measure football teams. Liabilities is how many points they score with the hines. It's what they did they went from. They went from the ninety day. Entered last night sniffen it and woke up today hosting a playoff game if the season ended today which clearly it will not to team writes. Afc south to host a playoff game. They currently have the tiebreak over the titans because they beaten them. Of course they face each other one more time. Because that's the way the divisions individual playworks in the national football league tennessee's going to visit indianapolis the sunday of thanksgiving week. So that's just right around the corner and in between is a visit to baltimore which again we will discuss at length. It was right here on this show a couple of days ago. That lamar jackson said what he said and provided thousands of thousands upon thousands of content minutes for split screen argument shows and things of this nature. That one i asked him if things were disappeared. In things we're just not going as simply for him. It just didn't look that things were coming as easy for him this year. What does he agree. With that assessment. He mentioned among things that defenses are calling the plays out before they snapped the ball and that led to gregg roman the offensive coordinator saying yesterday that these things happen and they do talk about it. But lamar is a gamer. And greg cosell who looks at the film and all twenty two said that. It's not necessarily the fact that the defenses are calling the plays out. It's the fact that the offense is remedial. That's the word that used. Jason lockenfora hosts a radio show for four hours a day every day in baltimore maryland when he's not getting ready for the nfl today on cbs. He's going to be our first guest up an hour to so what does he think about that. What is the conversation going on in baltimore about all that because again it's a team like new england. That's hosting them. This weekend and baltimore did have an excellent second half against the colts team. That four days later looked so much better. And that's the reason why. I thought the titans had the upper hand last night. I looked at the colts and so how they got beat by baltimore in the second half of that game and i thought that maybe the colts were not all that and it looks like they are until play their next game. I guess that's the way things are going in the nfl these days. It's difficult to determine who's ready to roll and begin to get ahead of steam or not and indianapolis. Next game is against green bay. Circle that one on your week. Eleven calendar well baby emmanuel acho is going to be first up on this show. He's coming up in about four minutes time. The author of this book right here uncomfortable conversations with a black band based on his digital series. It's available where all books are sold right now. Three years in the nfl and he's got a heck of a career as a broadcaster and talk in an having uncomfortable conversations with others talking about real world stuff and then and ackerman will be joining us. She's known for many in this audience as the former. Mrs bobby axelrod in billions. She's a new movie called chick. Fight alec baldwin's in that movie. So as bella thorne. Kevin connolly retired wrestler kevin nash. She plays a fighter. She is going to be joining us in our number three chris. What's going on with the masters. They completed round one today. Right and then everyone who completed around one because they went off late yesterday as to go off early today they basically just grab the banana and enjoy right twenty minute break and back on the field up some protein and potassium and got back out there. Right so wait. Dustin johnson had gotten to ten under the back-to-back bogeys. He's at eight under but has about a four footer. For birdie on sixteen. Right now tied for the league minus eight with sunjay m paul casey yet to go off the loan at minus seven. John augenstene an amador minus six. What tide with. Abraham answer cameron smith and justin thomas to back an emitter is in the top five. Or how great would that be. What's his story. Do you know what. I don't care what we've got two and a half hours to figure this out. What a story. What a story. And then of cost. Paul casey sitting in the clubhouse mean could you imagine everybody else plays their second round and he comes out of there like the clubhouse leaders now still leader on the course. So he's still he's still in the clubhouse waiting to waiting to tee off justin thomas who played who wound up on the par five thirteenth taking unplayable. I mean he snapped he. He snappy that into the deep into the agusta forest zander's awfully is still waiting to tee off with webb simpson. Those are the guys who were talking about during our show yesterday because they got off and and tiger l. Tigray he'll be he'll be teeing off later on today as well. So we'll keep an eye on all of that. You have a poll question over there. Have to at richeisenshow. What does it chris. Okay so football one. I was just thinking about the great matchup. Going on. In south florida this weekend to avert herbert. Which quarterback would you build your franchise around to herbert and ortho joe burrow in their quarterback luckett from this year very nice good hop culture. Poll question guys released today in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven the running man oh which. Nfl player would make the best stocker. That's of course the name of the guy going after or just her current curse because they're getting marshawn lynch would be would be great gronk while i was just going defenders. Cloudy watt aaron. Donald myles garrett. I have the answer and we don't even need the poll for this is de que. Metcalf needs to chase someone down to open it up to offense. Jj watt because it's time to place in tag or do we go tj. Walk jj get pissed. Jj watt basically the jesse the body character you. Jj watt decay. Metcalf wrong wrong could be great myles. Garrett follow around the helmet last year. How is he not on the list. Put mas to be a stocker aaron. Donald donald be would be the defender donald and water the defenders. Okay okay de que. Metcalf and gronk are the offensive players. Love it chris. Do we get kyle. Brandt show one back. Because he is the running man. Expert here we're going myles garrett donald garrett of the defender look. I already know who my vote. I'm by. I think either one loses. Just leave them both out. Just put watt and just end it. Rip the knob off. Who plays richard rich. Eisen is richard dawson's out of course. That's you kidding me. It's brilliant so decay. Gronk air donald. J. j. watt sounds great. Rip the knob off at richeisenshow. Eight four four zero four rich number two dial when we come back manual show the author of uncomfortable conversations with a black man. I will be the jewish man in that conversation. Do you own a wrench. Your home sure you do and i bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with their auto policy and it's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. 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And you know you could probably throw by the end of the year. Maybe chase claypool in that mix and that's your offensive rookie of the year conversation. I think so right. Justin her great. You sure does he sure does. But the three quarterbacks are which one would you start a team around. Yeah which you build your franchise around these three quarterbacks to adjust her joe burrow and then our pop culture poll question today guys which. Nfl player would make the best stocker on the thirty third anniversary of the man. Okay go at richeisenshow and check all that out. We're back here on the rich eisen. Show radio som- cast here on peacock Just for all those out there listening. Wanna see us. The peacock app is free. And all you gotta do is go to peacock. Tv dot com. Get it hit the button. That's got my face on it at noon eastern every day and then Then you see me talk and entertain and inform. I think in that order altogether altogether. You're an entertainer nikon. Thank you know what. I appreciate that i just wanna be the cam. Newton of television and radio. That's only want to My next guest calling in right now. His new book is available wherever books are sold uncomfortable conversations with black man emmanuel here on the rich eisen show. How are you sir richard. How are you. My man is good. Life is busy but good. It is busy for you. Congratulations on that. Obviously you're also with on. Speak for yourself on fox sports. You've you've made quite a name and A brand for yourself emmanuel. How did you get this thing started. It is not easy to come off the nfl grid iron and try and make a career out of yourself when you don't have a maybe a a buster yellow jacket and your future. How'd you how'd you that. That is very very true man. I think it's a matter of leaning into your skillset. It's like with the nfl rich. I said i might not be the fastest. I might not be the strongest. But i will make it a point to always be the smartest and now speaking for living on television And racial reconciliation. I just said let me lean in into my craft. Where is the need in this life and let me try to fill it on sports. The knee it's entertainment. It's opinions its analysis but when you're talking about racial reconciliation the need currently in this country is understanding gets empathy. It's white brothers and sisters understanding black brothers and sisters. I realized there was a need. So i wrote the book to kind of step in the gap and philip and you spoke to commissioner roger goodell and your digital series for uncomfortable conversations with a black man was a that was a two parter. How did you find that conversation emmanuel. Great great question. So i got a call. A no caller. Id number rich. I've gotten three no caller. Id number calls the first matthew kinda. Hey the second oprah winfrey and the third being commissioner. Roger goodell roger goodell. He called me and he said emanuel. I saw one of your episodes. It was an adoption code. I'm a white parents. Adopted the sweet black the sweet girl named story and her brother named amos. And he said tugged on my heart because dad was a us senator. He wanted to adopt a young black girl from nigeria but couldn't because of his role within the us government. He said that episode. Lose me. i wanna have a conversation with you. And while him. And i talked t you simply said that you know what i opened up my mind and realized i got some things wrong over the over the years you know. I didn't really understand capper knicks. Message it i i. I understand what my players were talking about. She said when you hear people saying something you get night via of it but it's not until you go see it for yourself that you feel it. And so the conversation with commissioner roger goodell. It was premise. Trying to bridge the divide between ownership which is ninety five percent white and players which are seventy five percent black. He wanted to also try what he could command the divide within the nfl. So what do you make of the the rule that nfl ownership just undertook involving diversity. Hiring in the nfl and encouraging it With with draft choices. What do what do you think of this emmanuel. Who's a very complex question. I do think that people need a motivation to diversify. I think that's the life my coach. Jim head coach south carolina. He was my defensive coordinator at the university of texas and we were playing in the national championship. He told me he said don't be like water. Water takes the easiest route. If you pour water on the ground it's gonna take the path of least resistance as it travels in the same manner we do as people see people think the nfl is the mayor. Talk or it's not it's based upon cronyism nepotism cronyism higher. Your friends and nepotism you hire your family and so if the nfl has historically been predominantly white owners and white coaches and. They're hiring their friends and their families than there will be no diversity but what we know about diversity in the nfl out of the nfl. It increases competition risk. Let me give you this anecdote for your listeners. I'm sure you already know. It's two thousand and three the. Nfl implements the rooney rule. You have to interview a minority candidate. If you have a head. Coaching vacancies by two thousand and four. A man by the name of lovey smith a black man was hired two thousand seven for the first time in nfl. History to black head coaches meet in the super bowl rich. Statistically speaking there was less than a four percent chance that that would happen so what we found out. Was this rooney rule. It actually advanced the level of play in a game in which we all love. And i am all about advancing. The level of play in a game in which i've played with and a game in which i love then senna's asian is necessary to do that then so be it come annual show the author of uncomfortable conversations with a black man is essentially just the book version of the video series that we've been all taken no. I actually tried to expand on so many things so each chapter starts with a real question from a real email that i received the video series has over seventy million views. Writ so you can imagine. I've gotten a lot of questions. So one first chapter might be like okay emmanuel say black or african american and always found on that okay a manual how come hip hop artists still use the n. Word and songs. But i as a white person can't say that okay emmanuel wants this concept of white privilege okay emmanuel but what about you know the black family struggle that we see okay emmanuel. How come black people haven't been able to recover. Even though slavery was hundreds of years ago. So i think the spoken word has sizzle but the written word has substance. I wanted to give people a figurative time to pass down and change Racial reconciliation from generation to generation. So if more expanding on real questions from real people 'cause i understand based on proximity and where people grow up you might not have had these conversations with black people you might not have had been friends with black. People said consider this book to say space to learn. So what an answer. Some of those questions. You just asked. If you don't mind. I mean i don't want people definitely still get your book here but you wanna you wanna hit a couple of them. Yeah i think the first one is this. When i was talking to oprah i rich i i we were going back and forth on email. A couple of facetime call and i said okra. What do you want me to call you. You wanna call you. Want me to call you. Oh you want me to call you your majesty Like what do you want me to call you. She said oprah's fine. I say that because if you don't know what to call somebody you can't say you're really friends when people say emmanuel acho manual ocho. No no no. It's odd show if you can't pronounce my name you can't say we're friends so when you ask. Is it black or african american. I say black is safer because black is just simply an adjective describing one. Skin color. Like white is i think that black is an additive. Not a black describes people not those blacks over there. Personally that's my preference. I also think that because of slavery Black people's heritage with stripped from them during the course of slavery either african american heritage so some of them don't identify with that heritage. So that's the primary one that i actually opened up the book with called the name game and we talked about privilege and so many other things but without expanding into too much detail You gotta know what to call somebody rich. If you're really going to be friends so what do you say emmanuel acho here on the rich eisen show. How do you respond to the stick to sports stuff. I'm sure a lot and and you know you work for fox on the news side. That's all that's all they say to african-american athletes who speak up on subject matters that some of the opinion on fox news don't like how do you respond to that. I believe to whom much is given much is required. Rich to whom much is given much required. Athletes have been given a lot. So it's my personal belief that a lot is required us. I also believe this. What ben franklin said justice will be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are affected For the most part athletes high profile figures. You are unaffected by a lot of what occurs in society while you are playing set sport. You're protected on the field. You have private security. Private chartered buses private planes. You are unaffected but justice won't be served until those that are that are as outraged as those that are affected. So if those that are unaffected Potentially white men in a society that is often protected white men if they are not as outraged about injustice of all kinds those that are affected. Then ritual never see justice that is response when someone says stick to sports so In a couple of minutes that we have left here emmanuel. Let's let's get to sports Who's your mvp halfway through the season nfl. It's gotta be it's gotta be patrick mahomes right now man it. It was russell wilson. He was running away with it. But the problem is this whole russ cook mantra. He's burned a couple of meals rich. He's burned a couple of meals when we were letting them cook. Patrick mahomes with only one interception two. I believe twenty five touchdowns at this point. He's my number one. Aaron rodgers currently my number two. I believe twenty four touchdowns two interceptions and then russell wilson and number three. If ross can get back on track then. I think russell wilson can win it. The guy who's never had an mvp boat but the fact of the matter is his russell. Wilson is stone as many interceptions in his last eight. Games is aaron. Rodgers has thrown in his last forty games just to put that in context. That stuff matters. So what did you make. I'm i'm assuming you spoke about it on your show if you didn't all good It's it's no offense to the fact that it was said here. Lamar jackson talking about the defense. Occasionally calling out the place before he snaps it on his on. Funny i just got off a production call. We will be talking about that today as we were dark yesterday I was surprised. Lamar jackson said it when you're playing in the nfl again. I told you. I was never the biggest fastest but i pride pride myself. In being the smartest as a defender they can only run so many plays on offense and the ravens offense is not that complex. It is very efficient. But it's not very complex though. Come out in about eight different formations out of those eight different formations. They may have three plays based on each formation so it's simply process of elimination rich. They come out there in a certain formation. You know they can only run three to five weeks. So i was really just taking back. That lamar jackson actually said that out loud. It was the first time i questioned. Kind of lamar jackson's understanding of defensive. Footfall that statement that he made i was like. Oh that's interesting that you say that. Well maybe he's just a you know i. I know it's not his first rodeo and impressionable. Young kid is just being honest with in a conversation. I i mean. I'll give you the floor a little more here. Why why is it. An indictment of lamar's abilities is it because he's not checking out himself out of something that he knows. It's already been sniffed out by the defense. Is that where you're going. Is that what you're aiming at. No and i. I wouldn't even necessarily say that. It's an indictment of his ability. What i would say is for the most part. You know that defenses can get a jump on what you're doing now like like his offense coordinator gregg roman set half the time defense is guessing but usually on offense. You're looking for a giveaway rich. Let me let me let you went on a little a little bit of football in if i'm a linebacker i'm looking at my the offensive lineman. I'll start at the offense tackle. I i i'm gonna look for him. Is he going to tell me if it's passer right then i'll look at the offense guard for those listening that aren't super in depth the football. That's the guy next to the centers. Is he a foot further back from the center because it's so he's probably going to pool if he's going to pool. I know that power run is coming. So when when when i say that i figured out to say lamar you know defenses. Are doing that you just have to figure out. Who's the giveaway on offense. There's always one because there are eleven offensive players so it's not an indictment on the mar. I just was surprised that he said it is opposed to just going and cry handling emmanuel acho here on the rich eisen show and then what did you make of last night's game. How significant is that for colts. And how deep you think this team can go emmanuel. I really man. I wish rich that the colts would have really gone out there. And like handed to 'em. Here's what i mean by that. The titans what they had a block point and they had a muffed punt and they had a missed field goal now. Nobody cares about special teams until special teams costs. You gave a special teams player. That's how i made it in the nfl. so i do not undermine special teams. But when i look at the colts i'm still trying to figure out what i can learn from them. I believe they beaten. Without looking at it i believe they beaten the jaguars feet in the jets. I think they've beaten a bunch of bad teams so the titans win was really to me their first big win outside of beating the bears. A nick foles. I start. i'm still not sure what to make of the colts their offense. It doesn't scare me their defensive stout but is there defense really stout or not based offense of juggernaut this. Nfl season is weird to me ambiguity. It is weird. I can't figure it out right now. Although i just think the chiefs are the best and that saints went over the bucks was mike. The watershed moment for that team. I that that reeked of the saints are now fully constituted yet. They've swept the team. That's closest to taking a home playoff game away from them in division that that had that feeling to it last sunday to me. Yep absolutely that. That was a game thing about this rich the bucks of outscored the rest of their opponents by ninety six points and they've been outscored by the saints. I think by about fifty five point something along. Those lines are forty six points. Rather the saints. Really put a chokehold on that division but bucks were were sprinting. Into that game the saints were limping into that game. And when they got on the field at the same time the saints handed to them. I don't know how you can be the best team in the nfc if you're not the best team in your division so kudos to the saints for reminding everybody who really runs that nfc south. Hey emmanuel congrats on everything. That's gone on in your career. I hope this is the first of many times that we get to talk. If you do have to. Continue to have the era of oprah. Would you mind passing along to her a book idea. I have called comfortable conversations with a comfortable conversations. That jewish man. We could talk about you. Know soup portions. You know sandy. Colfax long goodbyes. Long again i'm just. I'm just going on. I'm going on in my head. You know with what the chapters would be i. I guess i could discuss that with you offline. Just throw that oprah's way will you please done. Don congrats on the book. The digital series your gig with fox sports. Let's let's keep talking. I'd say how do your brother was on the other day two. Oh yes he was. It was great to chat. Okay you got it all the shows here on the rich eisen show emmanuel checkout uncomfortable conversations with a black man available now wherever books are sold. Don't you think comfortable conversation a comfortable conversations with jewish man brad. You guys called the rich eisen show shows. We have those every day. We do have those every single day. Twelve to three on pico de think it's a d- didn't you say it was kind of an indictment and lamar that he was surprised. That lamarche said it. You don't hear that often. From quarterbacks i understand alomar's super honest he exactly so that's why i'm like is the indictment that okay defensive sniffing out. Let me omaha out of this. Play and torture them right. Was that what he went through. Because that's why. I wanted to follow him up like what is he. What is he saying on that front. It seems as though everyone has an opinion on this story yesterday. Stephen irv kind of went back and forth and some interesting. Everybody has an opinion on the march action. They always have yeah true. Always have when he was in louisville when he got the job in louisville when he was up for the heisman when he was at the combine when he was ready to be chosen non-draft night every single when he the job instead of flaco when he got in the playoffs and lost when he got off to a great start last year when he got the mvp award when he lost the playoffs last year and now once again it's everyone's got an opinion on him and you know he has gone to gregg roman and that's the thing is i've gotten to meet him and anybody who does know him or getting. I wouldn't say that. I quote unquote like tight with him. I do know how to pronounce his name or what to call him to use the manual guidance. Here but i. I've i've been around him. I hung out with them for a night at the super bowl this past year when we were all doing something for courtyard i saw how he is around other people i saw it. He was around just by himself not around other people. I don't it. I was asked this by who. Yesterday i was on a radio show of something i don't know could even been pardon. My take i. Don't i don't know there's a couple of things that i was doing yesterday. I was asked if lamar had an agenda when he said that and i was so taken aback. I'm mike i think he's agendaless with the exception of becoming the greatest quarterback in the game. I think it was just a moment of honesty. You know that will be put to bed when they torched the patriots on. I think it will be. It'll be discussed up until then and then you know monday will be another week and i think they'll be seven to and once the game still in this proper register but i'm letting you know there's a high register coming on this. Oh okay and so jason lockenfora when we come back. We'll look at the leaderboard and i have. We have found out who this young man is. This matt this man. Who's wrecking the buffet. At the custom. National on behalf of all amateurs. That's coming up. Chris myers for more than three decades covered. 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Text me later on a. That's the way i guess. He introduced both florio and dan when they were on recently and i told him i. I appreciated his a commitment to consistency. If nothing but consists and then he waited he waited waited to going out the door before bringing up michigan before bringing up michigan. Back here on the rich eisen show on her radio network. Talking about pardon might take his on yesterday. What was his first question all they just they started with. They started with just regular football questions. And i was wondering you know what we're this was going like a strict like the really want me on here for a straight up football talk. Do they really want to do that. And then their agenda began to Reveal itself yeah. Yeah yeah trading on my gravitas and i understand. I understand what the rules of engagement are sure. Sure genuinely funny genuinely to genuinely smart funny guys you know and as you know. Pf t just lost his dog that after very ortiz years It was really heartfelt. And you know. He tweeted about it. And i sent him a you know so when he asked me at one point about how i choose what i wear for thursday night football games in the cold and things that as she saw that i would wear gloves and he asked that of me and i just said i don't mean to nitpick but i haven't been on thursday night football about five years to which he responds. My dog just died. Okay using it as an excuse for his misinformation and the question. Oh gosh so again they they. They violate their own too soon. Even when it's too soon for themselves it's very funny like next level trying to play a game of chess. Say win your today. Ahead of ready wisconsin safe and he just hammered me and well his point now. Look i know. Michigan has its hands full with wisconsin. Oh without question right. I know it and i know that michigan prior to this season even without the covid craziness that's going on and we will discuss that coming up on this show because there is some news on all of that front in college football though i happened including me sending my best to the great herm edwards who it was just announced adam. Schefter reported has covid. Nineteen is a man who in his sixties. I mean this is serious business here. So i know that. Wisconsin came in ranked better than michigan the way that machines played the last two weeks shouldn't even be favored right. They're not favored. Right there with wisconsin. Yeah michigan's home. Dog make sense favorite misconduct. And i know. I don't have a leg to stand on with this guy because of what happened last year. I guy you know my mug that i have here from. Jj watt that. I have to drink out of it. Says that i. That mug holds rich eisen tears. You know 'cause. I had to get that mug from him. After wisconsin beat michigan last year. I get it. And i don't want to have the only defense for me. Saying how many times does wisconsin play a saturday night. Game on abc. How many times they do that. How many times. Wisconsin thrown out there on saturday night on abc many. Why are they on. Saturday night on. Abc oh because they're taking on irrelevant team. It's one and two with the coaches on the hot seat. Who's been patently. Disappointing to a fan base. That has to answer for it. All the time when wisconsin northwestern game gonna get played at that wisconsin. I we game. Winston wisconsin ohio state game going to get played. Oh that's right. I don't play each other okay. So it's like ragging on me for michigan's irrelevancy while pointing out how relevant they still are. Because if they weren't he wouldn't be pointing this out to me. And i wish this wasn't my line of defense which it is. I wish it wasn't and he said this is the best part of the conversation with big cat. He then says to me. Oh gosh now watch. Wisconsin is gonna have to play. It's a good game on saturday night. Right and oh gosh here we are. It's a no win situation if we win. We've beaten a team. That's lost two in a row and isn't expected to win. And if we lose we just lost to a team that we should have beaten and i said to him welcomed the being a michigan fan and then accused me of being arrogant. And i'm like no no no no no. This is the way it is welcome. Hey wisconsin welcome to the world of being in a no win situation in the big ten again. i wish we would just be wisconsin's as up and down the block while which could happen could have just going to happen. That's the way it went and he waited literally about forty five minutes until hit on the way out the door. Just when you were buttered up comfortable. I get through. I do enjoy the back and forth with those guys. Oh yeah immensely. San your your microphones not on. Can you turn them on jason. Please go forth on is it. It's not working over there all right. So we'll fix that so there you haven't man. That was my conversation with those two guys. Yesterday look forward to listening all right so We asked this question out loud moments ago. Chris brockman who is jason. Are you pronouncing his name dog in stein because he's one of the best college players around yeah he is. He's an all american at vanderbilt yeah. Sec player of the year back in seventeen. He's one of the best players in the history of the sec. And vanderbilt making his first masters appear how. 'bout you at pretty awesome. I guess he's playing with. Ricky fowler is in that group come on now twenty three years old fifth ear inn vanderbilt an amateur and he. He's got three circles on his car today. Brother yeah he is what he's got he's else part and he's got three birdies. He is three under for the day. He started on ten. We played the back. I birdied thirteen sixteen. Seventeen seventeen is not seventeen birdie hole at all and then He's gotta clean card through three holes on the front nine fantastic. This is great yeah awesome. What a story very excited to see all that. Dustin johnson eight under par. And there's a there's justin. Thomas thomas j m also minus aids a three way tie for first right now once again augusta national looks like you can eat off the fairway like literally. You can picnic there and you don't need a blanket. It looks amazing. The weather cooperated a lot of rain was expected. That storm went in a different direction. And now and so it's clean. What can clean through the weekend at augusta is that right. Yeah temperatures in the high sixties. Okay so it just seems that maybe not. Everyone's going to be able to get through today because again it's it's november. Sun goes down. Yeah kind of the same right whereas it was a three hours away and then those guys so we may not so that means. Some people might be staying overnight on friday just to see if they have to leave on saturday right because the cup might not be determined until saturday morning sometime and they change the cut this year used to be. If you within ten shots of the lead you make it now. It's just top fifty ties all right. So we're gonna keep an eye on that all throughout the next two hours of this show When we come back there is a lot going on in college football. And i have outside of providing the vaccine sooner than later. I've gotta fix here and i think College football needs to undertake it right away. Because they're already talking about moving things around for the bowl slash postseason. They need to just go ahead and get together and do the right thing for a lot of a lot of people a lot kids and a lot of schools. That have a lot of pressure on it right now. Play football so. I think i've got a little bit of a fixed. Jason lockenfora is gonna join us next hour as well from baltimore. 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No Buffs | Dingbats, Coins & Chaos

The Free Agents

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No Buffs | Dingbats, Coins & Chaos

"Today's episode of no Dunks by remarkably remote a new daily micro cast from the experts at Goto meeting all about making work from home. Work for you with indispensable Intel on how to stay sane motivated and productive at home. We're here to help you. In this brave new remote working world find us on smart speakers or subscribe on your favorite podcast APP. You can also listen at gotomeeting dot com slash tips. That's Goto meeting dot com slash tips. You WanNa play this. Can I play that? This thing that you can't get off of the voting. Yeah I WANNA play that. That is not Good morning swirled and welcome to no bus. The only survivor podcast. It's really just here for the Yoga. It's Thursday April ninth and we're recapping. The ninth episode of Survivor Wins at war. This show is nothing but spoiler. So you've been warned on skates and joining us here by the toasty. Fire Task Hey we got the bearded one Trey Kerby. The international man of mystery ticket to the Max. Leila's friends Lillian last monopolies. Making the magic happen it's Gd L. O. There isn't here we are. What an episode. We got to break down here today on no bus. Well once again. Tackle this in chronological order. Sorta go through each scene but the key takeaway to me at least Leila's is the survivor. Heck's Adam Klein voted out of this game or at least voted to edge of extinction right. After Li SORTA was all in anatomy hated him. He loved them. But you were a Wendell guy. He gets booted. Then you're you know you're all Adam and he gets all my curses real where you're upset. You know what no no because he went out and devastating terms which I loved. I mean if he was going to go out. I wanted to get team to wear painful. And I know you're going to get to it that that that tribal council was some of the most gripping television. I have seen from the non sports world. That was just incredible stuff. I was just sweating after that. I did not think when we started watching survivor that I would be into it like that but it was just an amazing upside for me in my. I think is that five. We'd say four or five episodes in my survive career. That's the Bischoff ever seen no doubt converted into survivor tasks. Are you on board as well? Are you this invested in the show lease I love Adam Client? I might just quit no I. I didn't Love Adam Klein invested. I'm ready to go to the end. All right I love it guys okay. So we'll start with the first thing that we got in last night's episode. We're at night. Twenty one at this point. Wendell had just got voted out so we get them back at camp talking about it. I love when we get those nights scenes. Where they're they're a little shook. What just happened at Tribal Council Michelle in Nick are pissed? They are best for being left out of the vote. Nick says at one point I hate them to death. Show goes on like Chris. Berman on US and says these people are all like bumbling fumbling idiots I mean. Nick is just livid. He says he's ready for war. He loves blood. He wants revenge. Yeah they're fired up. What'd you think of that? I mean I loved it and you know as you said a twenty one year on the island and when you get back stabbed like that. It's not like playing poker. You know it's like okay. You're playing poker with your friends and your friend bluffs you in. You're you're out a couple of bucks or whatever but you know when you think that you have this this alliance or this friendship or whoever it was. That pulled the wool over his eyes. People take it so hard. And that's what makes it such a great game. It's just the human part of it at this point of the game really starts to come in and I also love when Nice people get very angry because I feel like nick and Michelle are both mild-mannered kind people. But you can tell. They're so heated here and it comes out in hilarious lines like Michelle saying bumbling idiots or saying they're all time you heard somebody call my momma calling me getting better seventy five. Yeah like Nichols. It appears to be almost has like like. Maybe it's just the rage coming through. But there's like sort of tears in his eyes he's sorta glossy eyed there when he's talking about getting revenge well. It was his birthday skis. Oh yeah yeah well. There's lots more on the birthday. I sure you have sort of overlooked nick as a peripheral player and Michelle to some degree and I think Tony Calls them. The Hyenas of the gap keeps on saying that you know we're the the lions and they're the hyenas and you guys on this show of always overlooked neck as just a guy who's just playing again. Michelle as well does the Knicks Anger. Michelle's anger elevate them in your mind. Are they players now? Nick no not really to me. I mean even within this episode talks a big game but I would argue. He really didn't do a whole lot. I mean I know he survives and he still there an adamant of going. I'm not sure where it was really Knicks. Doing all that much bullying other players show always show. I like her chances honestly and she picked up an advantage. Of course we'll get to that in this episode but Yeah I. I don't know nothing really changed for me with Nick. I like. They're all winners. So they're all amazing players but I don't see him taking the crown in this one. I don't know if he's he seems a bit lost to me Nick. He doesn't seem to know exactly who saw on. Who he he is. Not I mean he is not in control of this game. No right like there are other people calling the shots. And that's what's probably upsetting for a lot of these players especially because they're all winners and at some point we're likely leading their games direction votes and stuff and there are people in this this one. The winners were there. Like I'm not doing any like I don't know what's going on being lied to and I have no really say in the vote that's frustrating. That's what I'm noticing is. I'm remembering that. They have all won this before. They've obviously the game world but he. He just looks out of his depth right now like seems to be just flying by the seat of his pants at that model so get him a long way. I don't remember the specifics of his his his season. I mean I watched the whole thing. Obviously but I kind of remember him being like that on his season as well he was just sort of he was just sorta there and he was never really. I really considered him a threat and I was surprised when he won right up until the last tribal council as that's how I remember it anyway. Yeah I mean well last episode. Correct me if I'm wrong TRAE. You're thinking Adam looked like the possibility of a goat that you would take to the end. Maybe he'll be sitting there. Maybe the decision was made last night within the tribe that it's like no maybe. Let's make that nick right like and not. I mean maybe Tony's always talking you know lions versus Hyenas. Clearly he considers Nikko Hyena. But I also feel a little bit bad for nick and I think he kind of nailed it when they were talking at tribal council. He's like nobody's actually playing right now. They're playing like it's the first couple of seasons of the game where there's a humongous alliance and they're just picking people off from the lower number side one after one after one. The people on the bottom are trying to gain traction. Nick is trying to gain traction. Obviously Adam was talking to everybody like he has been the past couple of weeks but none of the players who are on top are willing to make a move against anybody else and You know it's IT'S A. It's an old school way of playing. I think which is pretty funny coming from all these winners talking about how we're a new school and the school people can't keep up. Nobody will give a name out. Nobody wants to vote. Nobody wants to be the person who suggests somebody because they're making a move. They're turning their focus right to you and you're right in the crosshairs so I mean Nick's Trion Adam is trying and it just doesn't matter because Jeremy Tony the big names right now have control of the game and everybody's kind of scared to flip on them. Yeah no but I. I agree with that what you said there. But also people that say oh. Everyone's afraid to play the game. These guys don't WanNa play. Well you're saying that because you're just being around all the damn discussions and so I get I mean yeah you know. Throw a Hail Mary here and try and stir things up. But there's a reason you're saying that they are playing the game they're just playing it not with you and this is not the way the game has been played for the past couple of seasons they are. They're go. This is this is so old school the man so I can see how would be frustrating at this point in the past. I don't know ten years at this point. In the game people would be flipping on each other on each other making big moves and it hasn't happened yet. That's coming. Yeah but they also have. The advantage of thirty nine seasons came before and as as what happened as soon as somebody's name like as you mentioned Sarah then they're gonNA gun for you and ultimately he got voted out right. I mean that's what happened. That's why none of these people at the top. I want to say a name because as soon as you gun for somebody. It's going to get back to them. And then you end up being the one targeted. Don't think that's a little bit annoying. Don't you player should be trying to make big moves rather than just waiting it out a hundred percent. But if there's eleven people left I if I'm in that top echelon I'm I'm going with the flow as as they've been doing. Yeah I get that. I just think that's an easy to have. Somebody say you're just riding coattails somebody needs to make a big move. We saw denise do it. She got a little bit of a resume going. They had a focus on her for about twenty minutes of an episode. And then that was it so I I. I don't know I would like to see somebody stabs somebody in the back. It is definitely coming. Obviously it's coming but but like what's actually play the game it's A. It's a little bit like they're just throwing all of this obfuscation. Trying to make it seem like everybody's getting voted out but every vote is a blowout. Yeah yeah no absolutely by the game. Eighties outlast is part of the game and and to stick with the majority. That is that is a legitimate strategy. I love watching just to interject. I Love Watching Jeremy. Play exactly that strategy of the eleven participants he probably said the fewest words. Yup as the edit goes in this episode he was laid back the most I think he had a a burn burn from that piece of wood and his back like he just didn't WanNA participate at all. He heard Whoa WHOA. We're voting off Sara. Whoa we're enough atom book like he was he was he was such passive player in this one and just just knew that he's got the good guy reputation. There's no way it's coming on him. He's one of the Lions of whatever. My my Greek Buddy Nix calling him. He's not getting voted off whatsoever. It was just funny. He was funny to see his juxtaposition to everybody else. Us talking talk while he was just. He's the chill. Yeah he's like I'll let you tell me the name. I will not throw the name out now. That is where some of the frustration with someone like Nick. No doubt you're not giving me anything. And then of course we'll get to Adam and he's like at Tribal Council Adams like look you're either voting for him or me or somebody else that I don't know of is that right and there's just nothing like complete which tells you everything. We're voted game but anyway for the new for the newbies throughout the term skeets you throughout the term goat trae used that term to potentially define Adam as a guy that the winner somebody would bring along to the end basically. It's you know. One participant brings the goat along to the end because they know that the goat is going to get voted off. It's not the grace of all time. It's just a person who's going to get you know that you can beat in the end. Yeah this is always actually frustrated me about survivor terminology. That the goat is actually bad in survivor. In goat is someone that is just there and you just drag them to the end. Because you know they'll get no votes and you could beat them of course basketball. You're right task. The goat is the greatest of all time. So it's a weird because usually goat will be dragging objects or items will be the drager. Yeah Yeah Weird understand. It is what it is magic confusion. When everyone's refers to Michael Jordan is the goat. You like he'd get no votes on survivor. Weird okay. So they've been dragged in dragged him those titles right the Second Scene Day twenty two. I guess we're back edge of extinction just like we look in here. We do get poverty leading a quick yoga session so we got some more looks at that. I know I paid more attention this week. Veer Bhadra Nasional one warrior. One hands up into Otani a standard standing forward full. That was nice to see party. recruiting some additional Yogi with. Yeah and I know what you're thinking. Did we get a Buckshot? You're damn right. We got a shot of poverty that the street continues unbelievable. Okay grabber the fronts. I don't think it's crazy So we get that little shot. Then you'll find a what he thinks to be a personal pan pizza for a second but it's just the box with the clue in it. The clue reads as a winner. And a fan you step back and assess sometimes history repeats it. It can lead to success amber immediately. Thinks there's something on top of the mountain like that's where they gotta go back so they all go up there. They split into groups are trying to find. Whatever they're finding but Danny Danny Bull right along with poverty. They figure out the clue and IT'S A. Aubrey had found one neidl or clue at the steps the last time on edge of extinction. And that's like the whole part step back and this was a previous season winner in Fan Blah Blah Blah. History repeats itself so they find it and then poverty. I don't know what it is motherhood. Just a bond with these people out there. I'll say he became a little soft. She ends up letting everyone know that they found it. They don't like Danny and her don't you know. Keep it a secret. I don't know maybe it was because they got caught a little bit right at the timing of it was bad but they tell everybody and I guess they're gonNa have to share share the food that they're ultimately going to buy when they sell this fifty fifty coin advantage to Michelle Rea- shocked by that Judy the poverty and Danny I guess shared it with everybody. I mean kind of but at the same time as she explained it. She's friends with most of these people. You know as as you say. She's she's a mother now so maybe she has more empathy and she just wants everybody to eat and also. I think it might be hard. Maybe she just doesn't want to deal with the stress of hiding it and Danny also knows about it. So why and all of these people are going to become the jury so should party or Danny. Ever get back into the game. Do you think the jury is GonNa like the fact that they hid food from them for the entirety of the time out there. I was happy though to see poverty sharing the food considering she stole all the credit for Danny actually solving the clue poverties. I finally did something out here. What listen to Danny explain what the clue is exactly where it was going to disagree with that a little bit because Danny right starts it off thinking what if this means like a previous season like a previous edge? But it appears to me. That Danny doesn't know where Aubrey had found it. That's how I read that. And that's the part the piece of the information that poverty gives up. She's like Oh yeah. It was down by those steps or whatever Philly Danny if you watch that seems like a weird look like. She doesn't seem to know to me she was like. I don't know I sort of half the season. I can't remember where she about. Poverty had no idea that was. Even though you're right you're right now. You guys are too kind to the coat. Tail Writers Right. Now fifty fifty. Jim Betas out here followed the Alvis like the coin. Advantage was a fifty fifty Partnership in finding that clue in my opinion there trae they both came through with the right information anyway. They got it and they sold it. I mean I know later on. We get the scene where Michelle gets it in her bag and decide. She's going to give up. The four Tokens Lotta Tokens for a potential sort of immunity idol. Because it's a flip of a coin. I mean it's it's fifty fifty. Lee What do you think of this this new little coin here confusing to me because if you find it then that should be your opportunity to use it. I guess but they're showing edge though right so so she would have had to basically give up those four tokens to have that opportunity to go into immunity for extinction that right so no so Danny Danny and poverty found this point. They're forced to sell it to somebody. They had sell it to somebody in the game they go. Oh Michelle has a bunch of fire. Tokens. Let's get as many tokens as we can she? So then they offer like through the producers. They offer that deal up to Michelle. So Michelle gave them. Four Tokens for this fifty fifty coin that showed us at a tribal council when she feels unsafe. She can flip this damn thing and if it comes up safe then it's like an idol okay K. C. This is done in. This is the only part of it. That's annoying when they sort of you know the doing the edge of extinction the going back to the main crowd like let's just get rid of age of extinction. Please you know. Once you're out you're out. I mean this is win is it wore. These people know the stakes are high. Shouldn't be getting a second chance for an I'd like the this is where it's just. It's overlapping a little bit too much for me and I'm like I'm trying to follow too many story Lan side. I think I think it's a it's a we. I mean a coin flip to survive or to get. Immunity is is tough it should be. There should be more white. I think given to the immunity option. Somehow maybe not a flip of the coin. I don't know what it is but it seems you have to give up a lot to have that opportunity for just a flip so yeah. I didn't like that part of the show. Okay okay. Well we'll see how that one plays out if she flips it. I'm sure she will at some point. See if it comes up safe or not safe. She can only do it. Sorry with seven people remain nice rank. That's at least like so in the next week or two probably most likely going to see it again. Yeah Yeah you would think so. Did you let or dial awake up last night trader? Watch survivor with you. She woke up thinking that she was going to be watching survivor. But it was like nine thirty so we were in the season finale of Ozark. And that's one that you probably don't WanNa let a five year old. I ask that because she would've loved this episode because there was too challenging because we got the immunity challenge later on but we got this reward challenge. Here is our next scene. They're playing for Chinese takeout. We've got the school yard pick. I Guess Jeremy and Kim I think we're the captains is what probe said. I remember back in survived as they used to show the picks those JD and trae way back way back now they just over gloss that we get our teams denise. Ooh She gets snubbed. She's the last. She doesn't get picked so she doesn't. She's not going to partake if in any sort of feast any sort of Chinese takeout pretty straightforward challenge. I guess Sophia thought once again came through on the puzzle. That fish puzzle looks so confusing to me. Yeah it it's I mean. I guess there's only one way they could possibly fit in there but it doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to it to me. I don't know maybe I'm alone in that. It just looked tough as hell to me. Yeah if I ever went on survivor. The Puzzles scare me the most challenges. I just feel like I would with them and just looking. When they're all the all the pieces look exactly the same die and you know let me. I'll carry the fish. I'll swim I'm with you. I would very rarely want to volunteer for the for the puzzle first of all. I'm just so bad that spatial reasoning. And then there's so much because like we've said on a few of the episodes. It always comes down to the puzzle. There's so much pressure on you and it's easy to look like a fool just kept saying these. This will go together fast. You'll figure it out quickly and I'm like how all these fish like the same jeff. Yeah Le- you just finished. Correct me if I'm wrong. A puzzle at home right. I certainly did a Ravensburg at one thousand piece puzzle. I bought it for my for my son. Yeah well I bought it from my son because it was a Dr Seuss one authority get into it. But he didn't really take to it at the start and once I go to bed. Three hundred pieces of so in that. I don't want help after that. I want to finish it off myself. I became your puzzle. It did it. Did even shooing away my wife. She tried to come over and help with a piece of tournament. Sorry sorry if you're not in at the start it's like a jump off. Wei Now is not a good time to get it but it's just that then it becomes universe as a jigsaw puzzle and it's like I gotta finish this offense and the funny thing is. Jd can probably relate to this a little bit. When you're when you're editing like it's such a frustrating thing that at the end of it you just want nothing to do with that piece because it's proven you crazy. So this jigsaw puzzle I put it together. I took a fighter then dismantled it and I'll put it away in the drawers because I'm like get Outta my face. I don't want to even though I had a great time putting together. Okay that's hilarious. I saw your post and it was like. Oh isn't that Nice Lease spending some quality time with boys. No I'll tell you what right now trying to get a ravensburger. One thousand piece. Jigsaw puzzle is almost impossible to on Amazon. You can't get them. Ravensburger is that. They're the best jigsaw puzzles in the gang. They've sold over billion Or if you can buy one online and in fact I'm happy to to swap with someone if they've got one but you're gonNA need you to clean every piece before so I guess the big thing from this though is not the actual challenge as difficult as that fish puzzle. Looked looked real ravensburger right It was Zahra deciding after their team had won Kim's team to give her spot to nick at the feast. Give him the Chinese food and maybe she doesn't like Chinese food but she says because you know I guess it was his birthday or that day was his birthday. I was a little unclear with that. If I'm being completely honest before was too so okay. It was his birthday. Jd Start with you. What did you think of Sarah? Pretty rash decision to say all right here. Nick you take the spot and then the blowback sort of from that. Yeah I mean Tony. Points it out to her and everybody else. Also reaction was the same. I mean it's a huge mistake. You just you should not do that on survivor. Because even if it seems to be that it was coming from the heart and it was something nice that she wanted to do and she seems like a very nice person and and her and Nick Apparently are pretty tight. So yeah are they? Yeah I know this is what this is what I've been reading and hearing but I haven't actually seen it on the show except for this gesture but it Al- almost always backfires on survivor newbies. Like Jeremy Even pointed out that he got voted out as soon as he did something nice. It's perception is reality. And she may be like. Oh well I don't care what anybody thinks. I'm going to do it because I'm being nice. And and she even said Hey I don't want to overeat and going to feel terrible so you know Have at it but It absolutely puts a target on your back and for a guy that's on the bottom. It seems and Sarah Doing something. Nice for him. I mean that sort of tells me if I'm playing they're in cahoots. They're they're tight. So let's get rid of one or both of them. Yeah Yeah what'd you think? Isn't that happened between what Adam bence Adam said about Ben? That Ben was too tight with Sarah. So we've got to vote off Sara or something to that that that that was Adams reasoning to the group for sure that was. I don't want to jump ahead but that was a great moment win. Ben Confronted Adam. That was so much. Those two have been incredible all season. He they talk to each other. It's amazing trae did you. Do you agree with like what Tony was saying. After he did give she did. Give it to nick. Like basically Tony's like you're too emotional in that moment and you became actually says you became human right and I agree. I mean it wasn't gameplay move like you guys are saying. We don't haven't seen much on the show of Nick and Sarah being close at all on the island with him being low on the totem pole. At the very least. That seems like Sarah's already starting to try and manage the jury like Oh this guy is going to be on the jury soon. He's on the bottom. I better have his vote. What if I give him some Crab Rangoon? I'm sure he'll like that it was his birthday yesterday. I was watching an episode of Andrew Pump rules. Birthday talk happening but this season. It doesn't cost you. You can do a move like that but if you happen to be in the big lines. They're just going to let it slide by so there was a lot of heat on Sarah that ultimately meant nothing. Yeah Yeah because right away. It looked like Denise Adam Jeremy Yeah we're all a little suspect by that move back out there and they're all angry because they're not eating like you know what the hell was that. Antonis talking to her but I do have a question. Do you guys think survivor producers planted the little messages in the fortune cookies or were those just generic Chinese takeover. One thousand percent planted planted. I'll really think they were that on the nose though Jaydee. Well they're not gonNA make them on the on the nose but Michelle's ended up being pretty like his like something purse related and then the next step the fifty fifty in her purse. Yeah that is Michelle. Get to open to. Somebody's gotTa staffer and back or she's got to stab somebody else in the somebody's gotta get killed. She gets a fifty fifty quench she ultimately decides. Yeah I'll give these four tokens up. She can use it up to the final seven like like Lee noted. I do like that. She she tested out the coin. For some reason I will say that. Coin a love the no the weight of it. It looks like it does have some sort of some weight to it. I think. Tell me if I'm wrong in my crazy. I think you could practice flipping that coin to have it land on safe like a pretty good to have a pretty damn good chance of Atlanta unsafe. Do you think I'm wrong? Practice share by you. Don't even know the scenario in which it will be flipped. Jeff May flip it. No no way. She's going to get to flip it come but if if it's on sand than the practice will help but yeah eliminate the balance because again if it has you can get that down to like just flips once or flips twice. If you've got a little bit much you can do that. But you're right. That's a good point. If it lands on Samuel pretty good. We'll see I'd be practicing. She went she went. She went one immunity and one for not safe. So it's like it's like well. The court works well when it comes down to. Is it a flicker flip? Because if you flip it it's easy to to predict flick it like you're actually flicking a coin and you can't might be pretty like cavalier with what she how she flips it. That's what my yet says on this. Yeah which is why. I think you could practice. I hope she thinks she. She's not allowed. She's not going to be able to flip We'll see to see her. You really think you can practice a coin flip. Yeah of that size. Hundred percent yeah again. It's heavy if it's heavy I don't know how heavy it is it. Probably you can practice a coin flip. You put a coin on your thumb and you just force your hand up into the air. So you're just flipping what you're not flicking you're not using your thumb to flick it. I WANNA see a video of anybody pulling off a single one. Flip a coin flip. Oh my God. I will definitely do that of that size. I'm not talking about a coin and actual coin. That's very difficult. Yeah Okay Okay I I WANNA see that too. I WANNA see that too. I WanNa see you nail it on the very first try okay. I'll just send you the idea on the first try. I don't think you'll do it. I don't think you'll be able to do a single flip. I okay. I'm up for this challenge. I also got to do a challenge. Some PUCCI on twitter or shot yesterday. Okay I'll do is. We'll see if we can do is we'll see what that'll be our own survivor. Challenge here going on at our place so then we got the immunity challenge the balance on the triangle platform. Where you have to move your way up these little purchases over timed intervals Tough-looking challenge with the Water Rockin away their first round Michelle drops out followed by Denise Second Round Tyson drops. Jeremy Falls next. Tony sort of slips. He's out we also at that moment new lyrics to that winners at worst off. When is that a straight shot? Oh by God. This song every episode. Now you gotTa Poverty Buckshot. We're new lyrics. Were winners at Ward sock. I love that it's going to take us twenty episodes to hear the whole song. I think we're going to get it all to the chorus. Aw Damn we're probably not gonNA have a live finale anymore because of the corona virus but I was about to ask you trae. Will the band play the whole song at the finale? I think the answer would have been. Yeah but zoom in for sure come on Jeff so I'd like to hear the original recording of Jeff singing it into his phone. I mean that's that's where we found that the it came from is literally just jeff coming up with an idea kitchen showing off to his son. Oh Yeah Watch this. Watch this ridiculous thing. I'm going to get on this show that we don't get notes on. Oh there has to be there like John when he came up with the where he talks to his machine. There has to be a probe present. The final third round of this challenge. Adam Adam can't even stand up he can't even get on Tomlin so he's eliminated then. Nick goes down. Sophie goes down. Sarah goes down. There's only two left. It's Kung Fu ben as they were calling them fascinating moves like I don't know yeah feels like he's leaning one way too much throws up like a right arm and sort of balance and then. Kim is also challenging him and she keeps US talking to herself keep showing US little clips of like stay focused. Don't get distracted and it works because Ben y yeah. I can't believe Kim on that. Posture was awful on the hunched over. Like I can't believe that strategy at lasted Ben who looked like he's core and his focus was really in control for the first. Yeah you know what I mean and the thing was I think the win against him. If you get a bad wife that can really knock you off as well. Just get the at the wrong time. But the way she was hovering around like that came out was like that doesn't make sense at all that she can balanced like you could soon as as well and it looked awful. Yes congratulations Nora Nora. When this challenge you could see it. Yeah I know what you're talking about. Nora said when this challenge started. She's like a woman's GonNa win this. She's like like women's balances in their hips lower and men balance generally up in their shoulders. And I was like okay. We'll see but then it. It sorta obviously down to just one male and one female so in the end she was right and didn't look great posture but it ended up working. And now I think This on twitter Kim now holds the record for most immunity wins by female in survivor. History with five. I think that's true. Yeah pretty impressive. And she's only played twice. Yeah get rid of her. Can Challenge thought. The water looked amazing. God every episode of survivor. There's one scene where he just go. I have to go to Fiji this is. It's so gorgeous. Jackson pointed out when Jeff says okay guys swim back. It's like where you swim like your looks like a mile from shore. Yeah yeah there's so far out. There appears to be like all right. It's worse than the challenge like swim two miles back to those shore now and extra wavy. I thought I thought the waves were bigger than we usually see for that challenge which led to a couple of great dismounts. Jeremy's dismount which jeff called one of the craziest of all time just a primal howl as he basically did like a looney tunes flip off and then Tony. Basically landed on his Hibbert. And you've got the ooh from everybody spouse grade. I think if one of US ever gets on survivor we got like we gotta just do a bunch of like weird footwork like practice like we are just like dangling on things on the side of your toes and your feet and there seems to be a lot of it. So it's something you gotta toughened up. The bunions got a practice coin flips stuff to work out before we get out there. Yeah you're right. You're right so after that challenge. Of course we get back at back at camp this is where they're scrambling to figure out the vote. This was one of my favorite like five minutes six minutes however long. This segment was segments in survivor. Recent history at least I loved how it appeared at least in the editing and they did such a great job of just how insane it was because this is where you know Kim starts off by saying let's just do a vote between Nick and Adam and then Ben suggests we should make it nick a Michelle and then nick and Tyson. They sort of went full. Joker like agents of chaos especially. Tyson like introduced a little anarchy here and and even said like create enough confusion and people start forgetting about you. A little bit definitely worked for them because we had nicknamed turnaround. Adam's name Michelle Sophie Sarah and even Tyson's name was chucked out there at one point. What what did you task especially as a Newbie? Like think of this scene where it did. Pure pandemonium was going on at least in terms of the editing. It was awesome and it was I. I believe that I believe that you know it didn't it wasn't happening that quickly. Obviously but as Jeremy said a little bit later on you've played this game three or four times and he's never seen anything like it so it was. It was a blast to watch Lee. Yeah well it looked like they were all just gunning for Adam at the start and it was almost like it was. It was going to be too convincing. So somehow then they just thought of throwing up on the board just talking about Adam so they decided to create that chaos and and it really did over or spill over to the tribal council that not. I mean it was. It was just crazy seeing how so many names were thrown out there. Because you know you talked about it. There was giving up her spot for the Chinese food to Nick and I thought I thought yeah. That's fine but obviously was a very very bad movie. That really put a target on her back for some people. So that backfired. I thought well I mean backfired on if that's what she probably knew. That was going to happen anyway but. I didn't think that was going to create such a bad situation for For her as it did but you know ultimately it she she gets through that not but certainly I think people will now have earned her sites in their thoughts trade. Do you think this was a little just sort of created creating a creative. Excuse me editing by the producer. Because you started this episode. Feel like it was it. Sounds like you think it was a little more straightforward where Adam ultimately goes was like eight or eight votes is. Do you think that's fair here? Yeah I definitely think I mean. It's hard to tell exactly when Adam came up but I kinda think he was probably top chops for the entire time and the scene that really that really solidifies that for me is that seen almost the longest lasting scene of all this montages when Ben goes up to Avenue's like Hey. Did you say we NEED TO BE SPLIT UP? And he says no somebody else did. But Adam won't tell them who it is and Benjamin storms off and that's when I was like oh it's going to be Adam. These ben at each other's throats for the majority of the Game Adam got caught lying and then get super defensive about being caught lying. That's a bad position to be in so yeah I mean I do think that Adam I think maybe people were throwing out scenarios to find out somebody else besides Adam besides doing just the easy vote for the guy on the bottom but it just kept coming back to the atom who's basically been annoying everybody out there and getting super paranoid to point where he convinces them a decoration as an idol. Yeah and I would add to that if people are that concerned like or what we what we see as a viewer like this craziness going on so many names being thrown out. I don't know who are we voting for the last one we thought about or is this new one where we going if that was really really true and and maybe it was to some extent but like you're telling me some of these people like Sarah Sophie Kim even Michelle now with the fifty fifty point advantage. Even Jeremy with his still his peace out. I'm out of here. Tribal Council movie can play none of those five people with power like even what we saw even thought about playing it. My point is like that insane. And you're like I don't know what the Hell's going on. Well you might consider using like an immunity idol or steel. Vote or something and none of them did that because in the end it was pretty pretty straightforward though. We got all this Goddamn whispering going on at Camp or tribal council. Jd like the whispering. I generally I don't although I I did enjoy it last night just because it was pure pandemonium and and and just seeing Adam. Scramble was just delight really. It was fun. I mean Trey brought up the confrontation between him and Ben. I don't understand why Adam didn't lie. Just throw out at aim like Michelle. Michelle told me that you know. Michelle said certain you know. But the fact is he had way too many poker's in the fire and he didn't want he didn't want more blowback he's already facing a blowback right in front of him and then he's GonNa he's GonNa throw somebody else under the bus and they're gonNA come at them. I mean but yeah it was pretty clear that Adam is is is the scrambling the scrambling went and he seemed like such a the obvious goat as was mentioned. And you know you can't if you if you if you bring along a pit bull you know on a walk and it keeps attacking everybody around you. You know. Eventually it's going to attack you right so you you just have to put them down like the Adams gotta go I thought tribal council there. The Jeff was gonNA step in at some point but he he. He seemed to thrive in it as well. He was just like this is crazy. Isn't it and it just kept going and going and going and seeing atom scramble desperately tried to get support when he just found on was just incredible thought he was he was looking around and they oh by sleep ganged up and took a show on him to his face just like he was desperate but then if he had put off that move that immunity object was right on his hunch. That would have been the greatest move survive a history. I'm going in thirty nine cool. I wouldn't go that far but I honestly was absolutely hoping that that was because that would have just then caused even more chaos because who would have been voted out then it would have been because it was. Wasn't it for now about that to talk to Sarah Sarah? Yeah Yeah. It's the idea that that Florida Lee could even be an idol immediately. I was like Oh man I hope it is then. I was like well actually. I hope it isn't really want is for him to go for it. Like any either way him going up there to try and pull that off the podium. It was going to be a classic. And what's he's he even says like in the credits like sort of post credits or whatever as as the episode is wrapping up. He almost did him in because he says the thought that there was an idol at tribal allowed me to play more aggressively than I should have so I was like an excuse that sounds like maybe but I think he may be really convinced himself that that was an idol and he was like well. Watch this this is GONNA be epic and of course it was. Although I like till the things sort of like it moved a little bit I wonder superwealthy a little wiggle to prop makers were thinking someone would try to remove it in the middle of traveled cancel. So I guess Survivor Australia. I think it is at least in one of the international survivors. There has been an idol at tribal council like out in the open but I think it was the voting earn. Not Not Jeff probst podium. So you know this. I feel. I'll be shocked if we don't see this moving forward in the US version survivor right. There's going to be somewhere place now at one question though like Adam early in the episode talked how. We thought that it was it. Is he banned from going to the tribal council area and testing? Yeah you can't go to travel for a second. I forgot something. I don't know if you're allowed if that's just out of bounds. I guess you're not in trouble council but otherwise he could have gone and tested out but Dole also on their on islands right so he physically wouldn't be able to get there unless he was a really good Soi. Okay One thing just before the tribal council because we were talking about the pandemonium and we got that Ben Versus Adam scene and all this and again I loved I loved Tyson. Be In slick right with the just this ideas like all right. I'm just going to throw everybody's name out here a little bit and just get everybody confused because that's good because they'll just stop forgetting about. I think it is a strategy that can work in your favor at times and it appeared to at least in this but Adam brought up an interesting point during a confessional and he was like 'cause brings up the idea of like I'm talking to us. Producer. I'm talking to the camera viewer at home. That means I'm not back at Camp and that they're likely hatching other plans and something. I hadn't thought about in the thirty five plus seasons of watching survivor. I thought about it more recently and I'm sure I heard it on a podcast or read in an article that ideal. Like the part of the show where you have to actually go and talk in these confessionals like that's gotTa be scary because you're like I'm not there. They're probably talking about me. That'd be infuriating. You don't have one hundred percent. They equalizer is that everybody has to do it right. Yes doing confessionals. But we know that they do. But you'd almost almost want to like make your confessionals like short this up. I gotta get back like I'm giving them more time to talk about getting me out. That'd be that'd be and that's giving a presentation in school. You WanNa go first so you can get it over with and then wait for everybody else to be great undo your confessional right away keep it tight and the plot and scheme. Yeah I think so. And it's funny because Adam I mean you guys told me if I'm wrong he's probably been the best narrator this season so far absolutely one of the most enjoyable so maybe he was just doing it too long. He's doing confessionals too well and they're like hatching the plan to get rid of them. But maybe that's why he was always up for for voting out. Maybe that's why he was always in the crosshairs like well. Adams talking to the camera again. You Guys WanNa sure why not. It'd be amazing if that's the reason. So yeah there's tribal council was funny that part where they're all whispering. Jaydee said like you enjoyed this one. I think maybe a part of it is because while they're all whispering we still have a full blown conversation going on between Adam and then that was the weirdest part like deer in round twenty eight of them bickering going back and forth and everybody else is like playing the game where whispering or whatever whatever they're doing and they're just still talking. That's what made it so different. 'cause usually when the whispers are happening it's more just like you're sort of just watching the whisper to whisper to whisper to whisper but this was like two things going on at once. Yeah it was amazing. I loved it are you newbies. Okay with whispering travel council or are you not fans of that because this is a fairly somewhat newer development. I don't know how long it's been going on now. But this wasn't something you saw for the first twenty five seasons or so back to the old. It's kind of lame lame. It is a little lame it is it is. Yeah I'd usually I don't like it just I actually just as a as a as a person who likes rules in likes formality like I feel like it's almost like can tribal councils like a court of law and everything should be going through Jeff. Who's the speaker of the house or the judge right like you're you should address all of your comments to to to judge? Jeff but I totally agree because it seems like that of the all the edited piece of them being on the beach and nickname getting thrown out and Adams named getting thrown out. Sarah's name getting thrown out really was pointless because they just continue the conversation at Tribal Council when the conversation and the decision should have already been made but really it was just a continuation right. Don't forget that the jury is sitting there too and the Alabama that is is for the jury as well bit of show. The whispering is part of the show or just a discussion as part of the show. That discussion well. GimMe the show. Not much of a show. We're doing this. I agree with you. Jd shouldn't you be angry at Jeff? Then because he he's the one who ultimately you can control the situation county but he seemed to just let it all just get out of hand. Well Yeah I mean ultimately if a if a bare knuckle brawl starts in a in a courtroom drama. I mean that's just good television right. I mean he is also the executive producer of the show is let them do what they're gonNA do. We can kind of like as windows pointed out in our interview with them. These things lasts for three hours. Sometimes so all of this could be edited out. Yeah I liked that we got at the start of the Tribal Council Jeff asking or making the point with trae was talking about like you guys have been pretty. Damn Cagey this game. I mean it's like this little game of cat-and-mouse you guys aren't giving me a whole lot. You're being pretty protective with names and Sarah Tyson. Jeremy all basically say well that got turned on its head today. I mean it was a different type of game being played today at least in terms of names being thrown around so that was sort of cool and then we get all the whispering and all that yeah. I Mean Adam. Throwing the ultimate. Hell Mary by trying to pry that flirt early off the podium and then I love what he's back in his seat because it won't come off and then probes plays it up. I mean like you you WanNa maybe. What play this podium like? Yeah Yeah I WANNA play that. So so good I mean you gotta assume the producers tip ropes off right. They said like he thinks this might be an idol. He might try and get up there and take it off like have fun with it and my God that was so good and then he hits him with the probes to pause to. This is not an soggy lives for those moments. The man's incredible survivor host. But he also wants to be a talk show host. He wants to get the Jerry Springer Gotcha moments like that was an awesome seam but I think favorite from the trump council is Adam when he just goes like. I'm trying to figure out. Is it me? Is it nick or is it somebody else? There is crickets. There's like four second pause of nothing and so good. You just obviously knows if he didn't already knows in that moment he's like I'm toast. You're not saying anything so that means it's me. It shows how rare that they dropped the music in survivor it was. The silence was literally deafening. And the the this is Super Audio. Geeky but if I watched it last night on TV and the Com- The compressor that the that the broadcaster puts on kind of kind of ruined the moment a bit because you'll notice that the it sounds like they're cranking the sound of the atmosphere's live crickets and stuff. But then I watch it again this morning on on the CBS APP and no compression there and has just the silence is is just so beautiful as just the the most awkward silence of all ever. I've seen a tribal council or on survivor at all. It was beautiful gut wrenching especially for a big Adam. Stand like liles so Adams Eagles tickets to Sarah Adam gives his gives us fire token to denise who gets his fire. And you're surprised. I'm denise last week I think I said I thought the Knicks would be in the crosshairs this week and she doesn't get on that That food challenge doesn't even get picked on that then she doesn't come on and all not at all and then she ends the episode with a token I mean like. She's incredible actually going to do. I thought she would have done much better on the immunity challenge. Actually she went out fairly early but What a perfect episode from her like basically stay out of the way and end up somehow with a credit at the end of it. That's just amazing stuff now. That's not a bad episode for. You're not wrong so then we get next time on survivor. There's talk of splitting up Sarah and Sophie. It appears Tony Asks Nick and Ben IF THEY WANNA blindside Jeremy and Kim. Hopefully maybe this gets trae excited because I hope we are headed to this. Kim says she's ready. She's ready to go to the edge trying to make a move. So maybe maybe next week I. I hope I hope. Of course that like some sort of like idol is used here to really flip the game on its head. Yeah there's some like backstabbing. The line is being drawn in the sand between what appears to still be a pretty big group in terms of voting this far in the game. Hopefully yeah just the just from a strategic gamesmanship standpoint. Can there be stabbed in the back every week. It just doesn't work that way. No no no no. You're right I mean look if you have a big alliance and trust is be you know there between enough people and you can have a quote unquote easy. Vote where you're like well. They're not in our group. Let's just get rid of them of the end that it should be pretty boring in a weird way or straightforward. If you trust each other until it gets to a certain amount of people the thing it's like everybody on one who's GonNa turn on each other. Which little group within that bigger group is just going to turn on each other? I it's all timing to have the numbers have like the idols and stuff like that. And what they all want to flip the game right they. That's the all of them are motivated to do that. Because it goes on their resume and it gives them more of a chance of winning. But you don't want to do it too soon because then you are building a resume and you've obviously upset a bunch of people. Yeah it's all it's all the timing. That's the tough part to flip the game. The jury looks at it as a positive that he he's controlling the things she's controlling the thing so you're getting my vote potentially potentially potentially yeah. Well it's GONNA start getting it's GonNa Start. Getting very interesting here. I think soon I mean look how many episodes we have left of this thing. Something like that. It's going to click here more ten left and then one more has to come in right still. Yeah but but you'll probably be go into the final episode with like six people so I think there's four or five episodes left. I think there's fourteen probably five things fourteen for some weird reason okay. We've also got next week. According to Jeff the greatest love ones visit of all tall. We loved ones. Netjets your tissues ready. That's what Jeff said with a dull. Ross trae I can't afford to be using Tissues Air Time. Those are backup. Backup teepee there. I'll help you still got some dude. Wipes need them. My God I didn't know that I didn't know we were getting out already. I guess that makes sense. We're at that point of the season. All League Lee. You're you'RE GONNA be crying next week. Yeah seriously you're probably GONNA cry. What what is what's going on. Well the loved ones visit is basically what it sounds like. It's like a significant other like a kids showing up to the island and then they're like playing for them and there's like there's always a moment hall. Well boy always gets you gets me. That's for sure I've cried. Every single survivor loved ones visit. Since I had kids it was like twenty seasons of Never Brian Visit and twenty seasons of crying. Every single person coming out. I'm like that's your brother. The ear friends with your sister. Oh God I can't believe that selects opposite all right. We'll be crying on next week. Said Noah buffs podcasts. Let's get to tree mail. We've got a few questions started. Because this one's a quickie it reads in hell lease you do have fans that Foley from the West Coast. Maybe wait until morning to tweet about the episode. She listed that's from Marshall in Colada BC into Cologne at Beautiful Colona. So you gotta be careful with that. Made what did I spoil though? Yeah what did you tweet in? Go ahead and tweet read. It doesn't matter ended up the the daily Tweet trae. Yeah the only the tweet that I tweeted was like. Trade tweeted last night. It was a legendary survivor episode. Perfect for my main mightly and we finally got to hear the hook to that ridiculous I just and I I just wrote it turned into a royal rumble. I mean that's not giving okay. Don't take this back. Hey Marshall Yourself Geez how could you determine for my tweet if you hadn't seen the show what that was referring to it doesn't give away anything about any writing off in fact if anything? It would be more of a tease where you're like. Oh my God I've got to go and watch it now because I'm not sure what that exactly refers to so Marshall. Kiss my axe man right seriously. You're the throwdown Marshall. Exactly you are the weakest link. Get Out of here I hang on. That's not the show but anyway so I thought maybe tweeted something. You shouldn't have about but nope you're right now. There's nothing wrong with that tweet. We got another one here. Get that anger anger. Don't diss martial martial matters. Okay got another. I got another email here and I'm in the same boat is Victor T. So I wanted to bring this one up. What's up duikers? He's in the same boat as myself and Lee when it comes to survivor. I've only watched the last few episodes and know very little but the history of this show. I checked out a summary of season one and discovered that the winner is apparently chosen by people. That were voted off so it doesn't come down to just a couple people. How does this jury work? Somebody explain the jury is comprised of all the eliminated players that right. How does the end of the show work jd? I'll let you have a cracker. Yeah absolutely so the yes I'm usually it's It's after the merge the people who voted out End Up on the jury so it's not everybody who's been voted out right So we have our jury now we have yet and it's going to be built everybody. Everybody who's played the game. So that's was that the same as the last edge of extinction. I I think so I think it was. I think it was so it's a larger jury than normal and and as far as voting people laughing than getting them to vote for you. Listen it's it's hard. The final tribal council is usually the one of the most excruciating parts of the whole season for me. They just watching the final three tap dance for a million dollars. It's this is can be really hard to watch. So it's you know. The typical strategy is to bring someone along that's more of a persona non grata than you or goat But in more recent seasons we discussed it already people. The these people especially the winners Are Disciples of the quote unquote game? So if you want to fit into the outwit outplay and outlast and you can end up voting for somebody who blindsided you just out of respect right like that guy played a good game so I'm going to vote for him right and that's what you said about building your resume if you flip the game and change the game that that's also something that goes on your resume and earn you a few votes for somebody else and is it. In fact you almost have to blind somebody in order to win the game at this point right I mean is that that fair to say guys moves era. No doubt about it. Jeff was speaking on it in the same interview. He says you and I have debated this for years talking. Dalton Ross entertainment weekly but I never wavered today more than ever. You can't win this game without showing the jury you came to play and you took big swings big time players respect other players who make moves and I think definitely true. There's so much more talk about building resumes now because in the past it's like Russell hands dominated his season but he made people so upset and they just didn't like it as a person that they gave it to his number two in charge Natalie and that has become a strategy in its own right flying under the radar getting a Meat Shield and kind riding that while contributing to the votes. If you're not necessarily dominating the conversation but it's tough it's tough to To control the game and make moves while also keeping people happy with you. That's that's that's the game. Maybe that's there will be logistically. There'll be three people left and the jury will vote for winner winner. Yeah that's right. They will go up and you will want to see your name written down. That'll be the one time where you want your down on the paper and like I said that they they. They literally plead their cases and they. It's the first time that the jury is allowed to talk to the final to the to the outcast. So they they. There's a lot of Lawyer moments and the people that is a lot sometimes. There's a lot of tears. There's there's people who are confronting you for the first time since you blindsided them so it can get very tense. Big Part too is like explaining your game to those people that are about to decide who they're going to give in this case two million dollars to not one million because of the increased price here but yeah it's like why like everyone's like tell me what you did like like. Why would I give you this money? And there have been bitter juries in past seasons before but it's less and less. It is more like who really played the game who played at Harvard. Who made bold moves and who just owns their team more than anything. The worst thing you can do I think tribal council is like try and still be like this like no I'm innocent. I didn't know about that or you know skirt around the answering the questions of like hard hitting questions I was like. What did you do and stuff like that all on? I'm you know I didn't really do anything. No Blood on my hands. I think that's like one of the worst thing especially in today's era of survivor. That you can do. You gotta like just sort of just got to own it. Mike I put your ass over there. I'm here now. Give me the money in the words of Nick a Hyena. If you will what you're describing there's somebody who's sort of music on the outside and it's GonNa work for them and just because I I'm riveted by this conversation. I didn't know all these details at the end so let let's let's finish it off your sure. Is this the only time that the jury really does anything in the show? Yes okay okay just confirming. Y- huge in the final tribal council. They are asking all the questions. It's like Wendell will be up there. Like how come you guys decided to vote me off how. Who should I decide to give my million dollar vote to be controlling everything? That's probably like half probably like half an hour of tribal council. I'm imagining CO biggest. A lot it's a lot. I think. The finale is usually like two hours long. It is always basically two hours long. So you get a lot of that and you are watching a weird season remember. You are watching this edge of extinctions season so it is different. There's just a bigger jury. It's not usually that big but same idea where they just. They're peppering questions at finalists. And saying why should I give you money? I will stay on top of all this. I agree with like resume building. I agree like the respect owning your moves and all that and trying to explain yourself. I think that's really important in the final travel council but at its core some people still think look. Do I just like you more than the other people like. Do I want to just deny bond with you? Maybe we did. We had conversations. We got along or I just like you or whatever like do I just want to give you two million dollars in this case like more than I wanna give them and I think that is still at. Its core a massive part social. Just whether or not I like you. Obviously I don't have to figure out. Sounds like an election. Yeah for sure that makes sense and last question as you said. Jd quite often. We see moments week-to-week within the tribal council where the contestants are speaking directly to the jury where they're trying to make their case for why they should be the one that gets picked now from week to week. They're building that case as we go on. So that's I as a Newbie. It's hard to spot those moments but those do happen from time to time. Was there a moment in this episode? Probably not because everybody was just whispering to each other. Well the moment is when when when Adam goes for the Florida League right. I mean if that had worked I would have been awesome. I would add one more. There's a there is a sly little shot of Tyson. Giving a hilarious look over to the jury like he sort of does like a almost like a roll. The eyes of like you know like this is madness. I think it's little things like that. And he's got more of a relationship because he was there with them stuff like that are. Things are a lot of being said in little. Looks like that in my opinion and occasionally you'll see somebody after like a big blindside. You'll see somebody kind of celebrate a little bit more kind of taken credit for them. I'm the one who masterminded this. There's there's other ways of doing jury management for sure and that's why people get so mad at like seeing Sarah give up her reward. Because they're saying okay well if he's going to be voted out and you're just giving him a reward and you're trying to get on his good side people that's part of. That's part of a building that relationship to maybe. Maybe an integral pays off down the line. Right right right and maybe. Tyson looks over at the jury and pulls out some peanut butter from his short. Got You. Well we're going to wrap it up here. We usually end with a couple of questions but I want to ask you a specific one because again you are the survivor. Heck's you Wendell he gone. He's sort of so. Who are you actually? Now within the game still. I know everybody's still technically in the game but that is still out there. I can't who are you actively rooting for? Yeah you gotTa have someone. I will pick somebody better. There's no one that I'm really like cheering for now. I may know more and more finding people that I don't like like I don't really like Tony. I don't think I like him so he might fill the vacuum left by Adam. But I think if you ask me who I think's going to win. I think denise is going to win now I'm pulling for her pulling her not really but I just thought again. From from week to week I thought she was going to be in a bit more of the foreign law this week. Because I think she's very good strategically and she's good at those challenges She seemed to just fly under the right. This week and And Walk Away with a credit so I think she's got the sort of she's got the right strategy. I think she's sort of sort of staying out of people's conversations right now like she doesn't seem to be a target so she might just able to sort of sneak her way past all these these next couple of weeks for the evictions and get to the final and then you know who knows what could happen this. So she's the one I think is GonNa win but I look forward to denise being voted out. Let me ask what do not like Tony. Because of his accent he's got an accent right. Yeah he sees like a central. American summers is that where he's from Pakistan He's just he's just just annoying. That's all really just annoy me. He he picks want he wants to jump in there and really make a bold stance he sort of just a bit of a weasel. I think so okay. So you don't have Tony and you got a good chance to go far. Maybe I think she's got okay. Yeah I think I think she got a strong point. I think a lot of the other girls. Michelle and Kim and Sophie. Right I think so I think they. There's GonNa be a little bit of a ganging up on those girls to try to eliminate them and I think denise could be behind a lot of it as well you know. I think she sees those. Those gals is threat. So that's that's where that's what I'm feeling right. Now okay task you either have an MVP of this episode or at the same time like someone you think maybe gets voted out sent to extinction next week MVP easily. Sarah because she's always got something in her mouth. She doesn't real good razor. Ramon impressions g either has a piece of a blade of grass or piece of Straw. And she would. She's Great on survivor. She'd be great in the survivor series. Like Razor Ramon. Was she'd take on each in a ladder match. And who do you think Could be on the chopping block and guess the chopper Yeah I guess yeah. It's it's got to be somebody from the group of our alliance can't it can't be oh can't be Nikki So who who are the hyenas left Nikki and Michelle? I guess right yeah. That's who are being told. At least this is from Tony. I know it's got it's GonNa be a pretty even vote. I imagine I don't. I don't think it's going to be a a big time. Majority vote like this week was it's got to be a close vote. Yeah somebody's gotTa turn on somebody next week. Yeah I sort of agree with that. Maybe that's just me hoping what a J. D. got an MVP this episode and who you think goes home next week. I'm giving them the MVP. Tony actually what This this episode. We really sort of got to see the psychology of survivor. Were a day twenty three day. Twenty two twenty three. Whatever it is paranoia is at its peak. I mean Adam was convinced. The Florida was an idol Michelle is convinced that That the fortune cookies are telling her to buy this very overpriced. Fifty fifty idol You Know Sarah did something actually nice but everybody is like while she's obviously playing the game you know and it's basically chaos but tony through all of it and this is the first time I've seen. This is the voice of reason. He's talk sense into Nick right after the tribal council where he got blindsided he talks to Sarah and says hey you might made a mistake. And he's very calm and cool about it. And then rate it at the height of the chaos travel council. He's talking sense to Adam he's just saying look. This is the way the game works. Man You want to say it out loud we we have to go. And it was a great moment. I loved it And it just goes to show the psychology of Tony himself because when things are quiet he goes crazy right like he is. He's just goes nuts. He builds a rickety ladders and he hides under bushes and digs holes that he can hide in but when things are nuts. He is very very calm so he thrives in this chaos. So I'm giving MVP of the episode to Tony. Let me let me jump in there. Because you saying all that laying it all out for Tony made me think of something off of what tasks was saying with this whole thing. That keeps saying this. The lions in the Hyenas. He keeps saying filling. Every episode against mentioned is twenty setting up here to be the lone lion and actually go with the hyenas leg. Says he car in the Lion King Right? He keeps saying this lion alliance in the obviously the shields and the big players and that makes sense because he's one of them and you want to sort of hide with them and be with them. But you gotta wonder maybe like is he thinking I'll be the last lion? We'll get rid of the lines and I'll just I will team up at some point here in the immediate future. Maybe with the Hyenas if they get the right if they have enough numbers maybe it's possible that he would do for sure. I mean if it seems like Sarah is near the bottom. And then we've got nick and Michelle still there. I mean he's tight with Sarah. We know that from previous seasons in their both COPS. I mean I could easily. This is a very very good point if he can bring along Jeremy or or Tyson. I mean yeah that's A. Yeah it's a it's an it's an interesting strategy for sure Trade you have an MVP of this episode. I got a couple of MVP's the MVP of this podcast. Episode is the Ravensburger. One thousand piece jigsaw puzzle in the land. Good luck getting your hands on won the MVP of the survivor episode though for me was Adam iconic moment trying to dismantle Jeff Pros podium to play an idol. That wasn't an idol. It just makes you think. What is the dumbest thing you could convince yourself up when you're out there on an island with people that you know but are not your closest friends? So you're left to your own thoughts for a long long time. There was an early season. Where a bunch of castaways convinced that a guy had beef jerky in his bag voted out for having misery. Beef Jerky like you can just throw in a pack. A slim jims. In your bag before you traveled the survivor. And if you can convince yourself that somebody has beef jerky or that. A piece of wood is an immunity idol. You could probably convince yourself of a lot of weird things fresh air. I'm giving although I do love the ravensburger puzzle I've given. Mvp This episode. You Trey Kerby you drop those lyrics to the song you're fired up. We're disagreeing on many things. I'm not you brought it in this episode here my MVP. And I actually got. I have to agree with you to Adam. Adam was like he's been maybe the best character of the season so far. Just so damn good whether you liked him or you hated them. You had an opinion about them and that's what you want survivor characters. So he was. It was unbelievable in this one and I loved how they produced it or edited. It like him right at the beginning of the episode. That idea like that flashback. Even or he saw the flirter Lee in one of the idols that he's already seen and he's like well. There's one on the podium. I loved it. It all paid off at the end you were like. Oh my God is this guy. Brilliant is there one there? No there isn't pros probably deserves a Little Co. Mvp for up to. Because he was amazing and J D. Do you have a feeling on who goes home next week. Let's get that out there. I got nick. Just it's I think we're still in float mode for the majority of them and he they obviously split the vote between Adam they and I think it was planned to give him a couple of votes. In case Adam had a an idol. Or you know if the Florida thing worked or whatever so I think. Nick is definitely still on the bottom. But who knows yeah? I wonder you did Michelle. Maybe tell everybody because Adam confided to her right about his idea that that podium could be an idol wonderful Michelle tell told everybody like Hey. He thinks there might be an idol there. Maybe there is. Should we consider throwing some votes some other someone on some other people just in case maybe major point and Trae? Who Do you think goes home next week? Yeah I'm I'm on Nick as well. But it's nick with a question mark. Are we going to keep playing? The lions eat the hyenas or somebody going to finally pull the flip move. I hope it's a flip Have been wrong every single time so far. So I'm readjusting my expectations interest. Assuming it's going to be nick. Okay Okay Yeah. Maybe just another simple one. We will see. Get your questions in for next week. No buffs episode. Email us no dogs at the Athletic Dot Com. Make sure you throw survivor in the subject. This was a lot of fun guys. I was a really fun episode breakdown. Fridays podcast. 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Men in Blazers 10/09/18

Men In Blazers

1:04:10 hr | 2 years ago

Men in Blazers 10/09/18

"This is Rebecca Lowe will Rebecca if you listen to sub optimal radio and you on this thing to men in blazers on the NBC sports network. The embassy row studios in the crack also from the kitchen counter Roach aid soccer country Los Angeles, California. So many blazes post. You're listening to Moroccan gardening today by Salam aleikum. It's funny because as you'll say that I'm looking reflection of the window that reflects back into my garden and I can see some Woking mccully pond. You don't need to say that. I picture you sitting stroking your beard all live groves, the CD trees, the risks that you gardeners planted along trickling valley, which now by sex you Gordon and my close very, very close. I believe you grow in your in Cumins atom watching Lawrence of Arabia on repeat now. David, there is no end to the amount of research you do by the way. My favorite store name in in in Los Angeles is is a little rug stool code Lawrence at LA brea. Football for us to dive into Roger. Just got to tell you though. So much football. I actually felt back in love with football this weekend because he's, you know, I've had some on way. I've had a few weeks. Just postal cop does wasn't into this Premier League season. I fell back in love with football this, possibly. Can you get hooked up hooked up? Majorly. Jin had this failed. What was it? The reignited paschel Cardiff. Warnock to him. What was it? Exactly? Was it a resurgence of young Russ Barkley who my son says, everytime he's spot. He says, he says, he looks just like Joan. Sina just drugs seen at every single time. Caesar goes Jones. Sina is Johnson a must. He's on something he's on the Royds sparkley. No, it wasn't. It was honestly that Man United games. We'll talk about that single game football, maybe full backing. A law football football to discuss. Let's dive straight in. But before we do you wanna say, today is a loss day that you can read just to vote if you're listening to us, and this is a big test for road the new American, they've only written out the state abbreviations. If you're living in as though Josh Rosen, lend. Oh, oh console? Yes. Florida, Lee, ROY, Selmon territory. If you're living in gap can when registered to Georgia Georgia, Indiana one hundred that one because that was confusing to Maso is India. Over that one Kentucky know k. why the beautiful Kentucky. Where was one of the confused me? I will admit I, I went down this list quickly before you came on LA Louisiana, yet may Michigan. MS was a paper stumper and then I'm guessing it's Mississippi, which should be more December should be lots of s.'s and lots of peas in their New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and the great state of Texas where believe you have that you write in form to register, but please, please register to vote. Now. It only takes a minute in most states apart from Texas where it's Tony bit more complicated. And then make sure you actually do. That's it. We'll get back to Iraq in gardening today. I love it. This. You saw American male, you believe you believe in everyone's just constitutional duty to get out there and vote it rapidly from voter suppression, American. Before in my life. Last election. Everybody voted for lost cursor road about, we'll say, I'm completely in thrill with just the joy of democracy on the lots of anymore struggle. Electoral registered in the UK. I've lived out of that too long. I'm not a citizen. The United States vote. I can't vote medicine. Roach vote in the after election. That's about it. That's my president, the physics of BAFTA to the football. Two, quick announcements. I understand that watch what happens. Live is is a taping today right next door. So cheering that you may hear in the background is a guarantee. It's not for Roach all guilty over Charles. It's over Andy Cohen. As we like to think of him the American guilty guessing Bernard exactly. And Secondly, we wanna thank all of you who bid on at EA sports, a science, celebrity foot heads, Rojas you'll recall to America. The summa does still still hung over getting the likes of James called waka flock. Andrew luck to break down how they'd ferris plays on the speaker. We had been signed that completed foot heads and then alternative to celebrate the VA speak on team. It'll proceeds going to hope the Boras Chelsea that we love and support. Thank you to everyone who made the auction such a one and thanks to everyone at EA sports fever for lunch in the game, the launches, a thousand new American lovers football, which gave us the opportunity to celebrate through the auction. Thanks v support Pete. We've got a pack show in one pack, a top of the table, battle between pet Guardia Jurgen Klopp some would call cagey others, which is cool. Crap. I enjoyed the road. We opened up the Premier League slam book to see what the people are saying about Josie, Reno, three gull EPA. Dick come back pug toback that may just have saved his job and also titled lose rods. I hate to tell you it's officially back. Let's start with the toast. I wanna raise my second first bird of the day. To a weekend, which began with England, cooling up eighteen year old doorman. Stoller Jaden sent show they the first post y, two k player to be called up to the national senior side. And then the weekend came to a close with the news. The John Terry was hanging up his boots age, thirty seven, the last of his golden who really go plated generation a symbolic seismic shift. Dave, I wanna raise my bird to the ends of eras to the ends of empires to the ends of dreams of grandeur and to new chapters renewed optimism and belief, hope and not just in football, but in life, but raises team. I'm not say, I remember I told you, I saw him in the summer in a beef was in the major ship. Still looks like he can play football, obviously wants to go to management of river to be going to be the assistant manager on the. Ariel at Aston Villa, you'll be very good football manager rose. Just like make frontline parties Darby. Okay. Go straight to the football, Liverpool nail Manchester City. Nil. The biggest game of all time in any school in any history turned out to be an Xs knows affair in which the match directors manager castaways more entertaining national football. But in the fifth minute, the game to life when Virgil Van Dyke took down substitute, LeRoy Sante in the box, a Martin Atkinson pointed to the spot real marris after a little bit of compensation proceeded at apparently a slight instruction proceeded to blast his spot kick way over the ball of into Charlie's reds Gardner ended mill appoint apiece. Both teams they beating Rosen city, stay talk of the league of the Premier League on goal difference. I won't be give an apology to everyone to everyone for the pre-game hype video. I released. We've NBC sports which are believed, began with me hype in if you're only what one Premier League match you'll season. Watch swan little bit affiliate, terrible. I feel terrible Gill levels to become the kind of Gil fill right now will break Newman, Dave really would. But we have been promised. Then most heated on the newly most heated row for re in English football. We did expect to to mystic expensive, fast teams prime to counter attack from the off. We expected goals, but Canarian provide. I classic good-faith football. Remember Chelsea, Liverpool, how many weeks ago was again instead. Family, mediocre spectacle? Yeah, there was drummer at the end, but they didn't end right after the final whistle, and some will come didn't track you. It was because it comments come up super fast. They said, we came for pet versus Klopp, and we had to sit through juicy Marino versus Tunde poolice instead GOP philosophy, some that are Bessie tweeted. This was a game that actually may miss the salmon sisters, commercial, Dave. So true. So true, but you loved it. I did on joy. This game football enjoyed this damn football. And I think that could have been a local. So I've done the cagey insured, the ex expected goals statistic. No one a lot of shots on target, but there was some really impressive displays in this match. Impressive displace. It came from unlikely sources. This is the best game of football ever seen often play. I mean, he was unbelievable in this almost single-handedly snuffed out attack after tap of attack for Manzi and honest. Most silence still had is two thousand seventeen and eighteen shooting football boots. I have a feeling they could have been way moguls. We've talked about the coma hero the we grit reading Billy's boots about the young kind of eleven year old brought the boots of mysterious nineteen, fifties, wonder football. Whenever we put them on the head power and for years, this car to round, sometimes he'd lose the boot. Sometimes you forget them any became mortal. Again, the way you described mo- Sela is Billy boots have go missing. Dave only was a simple as Liverpool. They did the game. Typically, we've replicated this memories. It did become a game charging down the flanks in the early going, but then it was fatigue. The put a lot of big games, law, big games in a very compressed period. James Milne is injury or just pragmatism pragmatism a word. You do not often associate with Liverpool football club in the modern era, they shut down the game, became sloppy and cohesive. To me both sides guilty of various in possession Liverpool's front three experiencing a similar Tena dip inform. It's like the apocryphal nuns in the monastery and pet kept his fullback steep so much deeper than we used to to deprive Liverpool of space so that neither team could disrupt the other. And they just seem to settle into nullifying their opponents to be on this boot teams shattered, neither wanted a risk gang behind the other for exposing themselves in the process. And it was to me it was I what? Watching rock paper scissors where to play as a mass. The players just kept through paper over and over again, a game of nullifying David. Certainly, if you think back to the fixtures between these teams losses, when when calls from stroke, especially this time it was the speed of each team that just nullified each other. You just you just felt that again and again, and again, when you say that about Las sees the five nail, Manny being. Sent off and the doors being blown off against him by city and then city being humiliated by Liverpool. From that point on, especially in the champions e you could make the case that this downward crap was actually tactical progression for both teams Liverpool losing to Chelsea in the League Cup and then Napoli in the champion's the and eating that late one, the strike to rescue play against Chelsea in the league. They felt very mortal and Klopp approved. He can play pragmatically. We've seen this before a little. He can be conservative that say, new muscle needs must is a new muscle for your club, Liverpool and for Penn city. It strolled into unfilled law season and humiliated. I mean, they were shredded by Liverpool's count. You attack tore them apart specially in the champions, the peppier. He was like a kid in pants in public, remembering that pencilling learning the lesson of said pen thing, and he'd amended the way that city played show. Lessons, limp manages, you could say, a surprising maturity, a comb this David, to me, you send this was a game that will be defined by substitution. I mean, that's why I felt in that second half the key move Sunday coming on for turncoat rows, an injection of pay. Humane, Dave LeRoy Senate is potency is direct nurses. Baps. His hunger is point to prove against that little bat line that was a game changer and it wasn't loving who so often the scapegoat is Virgil Van Dyke. It been excellent to that point stuck out like a toilet, like took him out way kit world. We got some late drama. Did you? What did he think is the confusion reigned in Jay's use America's and Mendy getting stuck into the low. Never a good little k- play as ising their teammates. Never good low. No, I didn't like it. And you so often see. That book blink written by map and glad. Well, these should be US men's national team manager collateral get us glad well into these fan patent that brilliant tennis coach, former tennis, great, great tennis coach. And he's the guy who just believes that before he watches, I play hit. A second serve immediately knows whether they're gonna double full even before they hit it, and there was a for full that penalty with all the confusion will the time take it. You just felt like, oh, this isn't going the right way, and I wasn't that surprised that he missed it. Let's face it. Read Morris has not yet fit in at city to me, I think is suing names real problem. David Silva, excellent. Bernardo Silva amazing in this game. I know city listening. You probably get more by playing Ron silver, maybe long Dong silver in open play the Riyadh Moras but made the decision. He made this decision. He communicated to the play a su- they as Jay's us tried to step up for the job Jay's use with his one in three. Successful penalty record. I was trying to. Why would you send Mara's that we all know thanks to sky statistics threw up on the screen that he missed three. Now folly before this one you get into peps head. I mean. Did he think I'm going to give the Algierian an opportunity, an easy opportunity to be the hero to boost confidence. It was that I was a little confused. All the post-match comments about it is whether or not he just really generally thought he was his best penalty taker. Nipping proximity was good is obviously very good. Set-piece guy has been trout as career. It was the confusion around, it fell very unpaid. I'm not sure we've seen a moment like this on the of Manchester City. Yemi penalties are a bit of a glitch in the software facility. The great penalty taker they have is Guerra who was on the bench. He's missed four of his last fifteen. After that, the most experienced penalty taker. David Silva who lost penalty for Manchester City more than six years ago and he missed that one. So I'm guessing his hand of cards was not the strongest. Let's give Riyadh the opportunity to feel part the team to be the hero penalties. They're not physical test really mental and the mental state for the previous eighty. Five minutes for marriage was just wrong wrong wrong. You so him stumble up to the spot in a puddle of. His own confidence as he struck it. He was like. He was like an all Jiri. Scott Norwood does the only way I can describe it. If you feeling of us go low into the corner aimed for the tilt Riyadh me, you guaranteed to have a penalty Mason. Crosby ask, this was less penalty. It was more tengible expression of Inigo. Moyle was ruling inside poor Riyadh's just screamy insecurity, lack of confidence plays. They've, we often forget the human tape hits it. Well. Hits it will head. It was some power, the rotate, miss a penalty. I think that's the best miss to go over the ball. For him. I read this may be hyperbolic if city had won this game and and develop that gap right now, three points ahead, feeling dominant feeling feeling kind of hungry, primal just Al Fatah. That would have been one hand on the primarily trophy really would. I mean, poor Gabrielle Jay's post game. You look like I was when I was fifteen and a disappointment that Madonna's trying to explain an older one to do is just so called pep, just have Johnstone's bloody take, even just for the laughs who apart and Chelsea, you'll Chelsea was the win ahead, David. I mean, who was the winner here? I still think Mance, if you like the best team in the Premier League, we're only eight games into the Premier League season probably like twenty percent in Roach. So I just don't know really. I certainly don't think Liverpool with the winner out of this game. You're right, but those front three, not firing, I don't know about little Chelsea. Maybe Chelsea going to get a little points this season. I don't see them. Dominating against all the little sides playing that form of football. They can sometimes get a little bit constipated. I think probably the biggest witnessing with Tottenham Nossal who had maintaining touch with staying in touch we have while I think both of the spoke about the beginning the season, we have a very, very close Premier League rice, and I think it's going to remain close throughout the whole season, and that's good outlook for the Premier League and for a friend's embassies pools road, but you must have of the chasing pack output, wolves ahead of them all moment at the head of them. It's yes, you wait to the burner to parents on what you'll have to live. It's going to win you a little spring, dominant emotion relief to fend off a greeting couple of results against Chelsea League Cup, the Napoli disaster in the champions, the that they can take him in this game despite a late penalty Joma and the merge with somebody which is not to be slept on a clean sheet proof that this team that's ever been a liability at the back can now they can keep clean. Cheat when they set the mind to it and have mirrors, take it dependencies, but they do they if I were a little pool fund, look at it, we were merging brutal Runa game starring two one away win at Tottenham in one piece at the top of the table ball goal difference and try and think positively. From a Muncie perspective, not losing still winning for Pat. He'll make the case to his team the they've progressed base a law seasons experiences and field and their squad no much miss ginger Demi got KDB pushed for comeback. After the international break. Nine weeks after an MC l. spray in his right knee. I think there was incredible positively to be if you're immensity fam- but the real winner of the penalty. As you say, David mutual city pulling away with his victory, it would have felt so depressingly dominant and fated complete in reality and symbolically. But for now we call ourselves a rate, break your breaker one nine because selves a convoy, Dave majesty alerted three Rhode's Newcastle to in the wake of what's but reports. Josey reunion was to be fought over the weekend. Regardless of the result of this match just conspired to come back into doubt, perhaps secure the only result that might save his job. They were down ten minutes is fueled by hatred if only play. Marino made a tactical change replacing centreback Arab by with one mother, putting that portable. Centreback all by his lonesome and spa comeback. That was finally completed in the ninetieth minute when another sub Alexis Sanchez by the way, playing way in front of pool Popa who was playing some kind of zone you centreback liba road sensitive field, attacking inside left Platt. I don't know what that position was. Alexis headed to send the Old Trafford faithful into hysterics, tweeted underestimate Marino and majesty knighted at your peril. People putting pull ver- at center back to the libs. I don't know. I don't know. I thought I'd had a week. I think we all think we've had a week. We don't know what a weekend because why roller coaster juicy Marino had e- experience every emotion from a Friday which began with reports ringing out across English media reports. Many actually think could've come from Cam marina. Foco from the Lavery hotel. Muffled voice. I d. Oh God. Someone brief journalists, the joke, say, would be sacked when lose owed drew, and Marie as name being sung our in triumph, triumph of the late come from behind variety. Across Old Trafford what a lifetime of emotion this game contain. Dave. I really, I mean to to down against one of your classic and deeply nemeses refer- Benitez fat road against Newcastle, United hapless Newcastle who had no one all season scored only four times all season, but somehow what to up inside ten minutes Old Trafford with your back, learn your Manchester United line, stuck in cumby off to try mode, and we saw the marina the Moonie oil love David, the one that gets a Bill nice face from his players on the bench into all the dockside faces repertoire. The scowl the I bowl, djing the hands in pockets color up disgust with dignity. Did you feel it was all over me, especially that rash would miss in the first half. I mean, these open goals. It just felt like the players would do everything they possibly. Could having that was it. They just wanted him. They wanted him out even more miraculously. They it. That marina finally had heated to play the attacking dominant football. The funds have been screaming for, but the bad news, it was new coal. So you know they were playing. I mean, I have not seen it, you know defense and I'm an Epson fund. He many defenses that wide open new pressure on the ball sloppy in their own half lethargic to the point of embarrassment. I mean, this is what we have to dwell on before we get to the contrast Joan Joan shelve e boss the game at Old Trafford and it was as if you only two failed it a team that was like Taylor Lautner, Jennifer, love Hewitt. What's his name? Tom greed, junior, Freddie, prince, you yet. They couldn't have paid any more ones. Great. Now, mediocre. The former giants. Where in the United read, they were booed off a half time. It was. I wore Gina room be sacked by. The Visigoths as Newcastle funds, just saying how the polka was just a crap mode deal mate. Joe green, it's tweeted us, fifty fifty. The marine pulls vantera Davis and retired at half time. But what? No, what you know about Marino what would happen, what would have happened at halftime? What would he have said to a score, the players he's belittled. Alienated give wedgies feuded with because whatever happened. It was a want. Some of my life. It was transformational. He understood. I would imagine them whether this is what he said, what he did. He did understand like he needed the players on the field who were motivated to prove something. One matter who at every club he's ever been on is the consumer professional always tries always wants to give his best for the team that won not to substitution even though some chaos in the first half of Matale clay on his own in a back three. Factory. It ended up. It ended up working out from, especially in school the I go back, you know, Alexis who's had a very, very, very bad start as mandated. Alexis comes on motivated, despite what everything's about the manager, what everything's unhappiness motivation to store traffic going do that. And then pug Bella pump up into a position, the full of every game the pump has ever played football. I've never seen him play in this position Popa the way to really get punked with a step up, take the game by the scroll, the net it's just let him play every positional the fields, because that's pretty much what he did is e can be ahead. You can play goalkeeper play, centreback play right back. Left back. You can place defensive building, good move forward inside, read the win. You do whatever you want. You play striker. He just had he just literally not at the center of everything that Man United. He literally took the bull from the hair and started every single thing that happened, and it was just remarkable to see. And he said that to poke is northern gonnit bought it. It's it's it's what he's been waiting for. It's just the greatest chance to record the views playing every team full of pocus alongside Fellini the Belgian several, but strong who I think changed everything. I mean, the only thing I could think of to see a contrast in that first half what they could not be asked to play football at Old Trafford and the second hall when they would just die a wools in that final thirty minutes just playing as if they'll always depended on it. The change in motivation. I can only assume that marinas. Halftime team to it was some variation of light, lots Tunis game round, and I will strip start Bollock naked, walk through the Manchester City centre and just in front of baying. Crowd just throwing garbage and refuse at my naked body, screaming, shame, shame, shame. I will resign in full public view, taking awful onto my shoulders because it was in day it was from slapstick to lethal. It was trying to think of something that could be as big a transformation. The only thing I kept thinking God knows warping thinking of this is like if done the Mifflin in the first half, and then in the second of somehow in between the goal on shark tank and the gun like a radical workplace overhaul in the paper factory and just become a high performing profit center with incredible morale will not happiest places to work in America because you know it were transformed three goals in the last twenty minutes. It was ceramics. And like football, it was like football. I was reminded of that, you know the great play great movie educating Rita on this. That line went Judy. Walters is sitting in the movie and she's sitting the desks and she gets the question on hotel, which is how do you solve the problems of staging absence plays. And she just writes the answer, just put them on the radio and the way the Josie sold. The problem of Mattis United defensive woes is he just took his defenders. He decided to not have a defense is the way to go and play defense was to not have any defense come play defense badly. If you don't have a defense tap head. Absolutely. That is a joke Kimia solution. I'm gonna live in defensive, so the existed. It's like it's his own bushes. It's Marino exceptionalism. I will have the fenders if they are going to make mistakes. You know why. I think you are possibly under something you again of taking meet next level marine biologist that you are to plate of understanding, and we're going to relive it very quickly as. I just wanna say, Newcastle fans, long-suffering Newcastle funds. I feel for you what you must have gone through the opposite of these emotions that were talking about truly, truly, truly devastating. But first matter with the clever free kick them marshy out after a brilliant interchange. Your poker flick left. A young Frenchman just crevice have space, electable home, leveled up the game, then in the dying embers David as the seconds takedown, who was it? Who was it? Possibly the least likely goal scorer in the history of bunch chest unitedly. Slightly goal scores blew me away. I would never have predicted this school. Beautiful dogs, Roach. Alexis Sanchez, Alexis Sanchez, piano playing Alexis Sanchez. He rose up like Tony Chilean sea bass to head that bull who knowing if minute Sanchez, Tony Hedda about ripping issue of kept it on church to way try to do in these slide aborted, knee slide tumbled over moosh. He must have experienced just a Putin headline stealing here. Again, I've been been up to that moment the Premier League equivalent of banks painting which self-destructed shredding itself moments after being so little. For one point, four million dollars auction has one and win the stunned. You've given me Marino's motivations. Dave given me those, but this return from the dead, all the more remarkable unbelievable. Even when you realize all three goal scores plays marine is just humiliated. Humiliated matter. The original befuddling scapegoat. Marshall, just the victim, the target of a long running war of. Attrition and Alexis Sanchez the moosh recent arrival a noise step behind who's been the most like at war with Marino and it's because the one thing that happens to would be humiliated by Marino. See, Luke Shaw play very well the season and continue to play well in this game actually is that they have something to prove they have something to prove and they wanna prove it to the world, but not trying to prove it to Josie renew anymore. They're trying to prove it to the world that like they're right, it's it's, it's, it's, it's sort of spite playing badly. But there's also this like sometimes there's a flip of that they spiked play well to prove that they're not complete shying. It's it's so my God, it says, wheels, him wheels wrote, it's matter Israel's remark that they all chose mercy, that they all chose mercy in that movement is establishing a human perspective. I mean to me, I wonder whether experiencing, I want psychologists who listen to this. Podcast to Email us many blazes at Jima dot com. I believe the munch SEO has locker room may be experiencing all mass some form of Stockholm syndrome like footballing Patty, Hearst, where they develop a kind of psychological alliance with the captors as a survival strategy during captivity. That to me is the only Russia can't see beyond that. I really can't see beyond that, but to step up and choose mercy in that moment. I'm by the way to win three two Marino assume more symbolically, powerful, just cruising winning three nil. I mean, he will hold this up and say, see the play still respond to Joe, say Marino Marini smart. He'll even see this validation of his poke in the approach to management. Totally. The crowd singing is named the way I look at the look on Ed Wood would face throughout the entire those catalase golden. He looked more miserable when they came back at one, three, two to know that it is. It is wheels with him wheels and kennel over it is not over marina roiled up the base of more and his post much comments. The media quote, man, hunting me. Perhaps it was was to would that he mailed to the Kemba at the final whistle in Portuguese food fill host putter, which literally translates as f- off sons of you. Look who you know heated. Playing next Chelsea that plane. Chelsea likes well played well played. Then you've Entous then Everton English events. Then boomer, you've man city. If anything to me unless you disagree, it's just a stay of execution. He's lived to fight another day wrote, and I think the teams above it's why think the Josie renew, maybe the beneficiary? I know I'm just taking the opposing view being a little bit log on those ESPN talk shows. But if the teams above don't continue to pull away is only seven points back roads annot. Okay. The season's only started, but seven points back this still in touch the still in touch. You could find himself full points back in a second with all these teams beating each other up there. Good teams at the top of the primary league. That's just a little Stephen, a Smith inside of you speaking, Dave. The little Stephen, a Smith. Okay. With amazing ever. Football rough made me full in Lubbock football again with the Premier League. Okay. South to nil. Chelsea, three relationship. I'm currently in another emphatic. Aiden Assad fueled was more than field driven as well win for the manager who says surname with one of America's most popular children's goes from the full mentioned. Sorry, Lawrence from the full mentioned, has odd the. The russet Ron Johnson a- Barclay and Vara Murata Rajput the blues to second place level on twenty points with city of livable is a big boy points. One more children's book game is sorry named after twister. No siree. Whatever is maybe it's most Trump is Chelsea cruise again to the top of the table temporarily a game. The began with toe, Chelsea dominance Tipton to free and open tilt, which kits Nola little bit. Chelsea crane chances from point blank range. The only done eatings brick shea could miss Kappa did step when Cole, the poem acrobatic saves sensually. It became the kind of game that allow me to tweet. This is a game that has eaten his old movement of brilliant written all over it, and within ten seconds, it was so just another just exceptional goal that you sort of feel eating. His art is the only player in the league naturally who can actually school who can actually make happen. You credit the roster Trump Barclay thunderous tackle tin is old, but no one gives the goalie the as. Love that phase. It's my favorite football face. When you give the goalie, the is. I gave in the eyes and he finished so beautifully for eight to the season. Southampton didn't give I one. What emotions did you experience when Ross Barkley Chelsea icon? Chelsea legend Ross Barkley just to know late. I'm more interested in what you think Roger long-term, Bruce Barclay observer. You're the one who posited by the way I completely agree with you and Ross Barkley. I came to Chelsea that it's just like it was a as he was coming there just to sit on the bench, maybe even to make the bench just to be a squad player and get sold on some rose, what it takes him ROY. What is it like for you? Watching rospa Ross Barkley reborn. He's a different kind of plan is so fascinating when he scored ferry amazing. Finish from about two inches was maybe three inches believable off his knee believable, finish them from ROY d. Roth. I will say when he finally scored for Chelsea. I would hurt me. I thought about moving would four with destroy me though, would be on this and he's still unleashing thing. David, I felt nothing. No one knew said this jealousy real, supposedly dead to me give you must have been dead. If you weren't feeling those things, he never lifted tool. They've really Wally is what does that mean? Well, maybe I think it's because he's, he looks different. I mean, not really, but he's, he's, he's managed to like his body. Mass index is probably wonderful. Roaches these custom weight, and he's built some muscle in doing care. If this was the infomercial for BMI today war gently, you know you who is remade his body yet been plants and all that stuff. When you look at Ross Barkley core, what do you say? I think he's eating less, I think is lifting less. I think he's working more on body weight and more on core. That's what he looks like. He's different shape and to play in that Sarah system, you've got to have like aerobic conditioning like it's amazing how much they run around how much movement there is. And. He's not what he always used to do to curb to me when he played for Everton. He's always carrying the ball midfield. Yours used to make the point that he would make these long incredibly mazy runs, and then the ball at the end of it. All the shots at the end of it would invariably be awful in every now and then it would be spectacular. He doesn't run with the bulls midfield very often, only tiny little bursts. It's all those short passes movement off the ball is so much more important movement with the bull in Sarah's football, and I think is good for him. Wherever ten is decision making was terrible, always football when they get the ball breaking over the halfway line, the always got the decision to run with it to pass it to shoot inevitably at never even get excited when the ball was in his feet. We've Everton breaking because he would always guaranteed to make the wrong decision. I mentioned Sara worked just how to communicate with them. Just sit him in a room, dot room, put on slides that teach him how to think properly about football about life, which is probably just one the normal slide, which is a picture of a pie with just a Red Cross. Stew in a red circle, no pies villes. No more. It's probably changed as as it. He did say, I think the press last week that he would have been a much better player if he'd learned from if he'd learned from Saraya Veton as many pies, I thought he was talking about tactically what to do, how to pass, how runoff the bullet wasn't anything to do with that. It was all to do all to do with aging pies, token, about co, when Moore came on for you, do believe it's possibly the only subsitution football, carbon-offset neutral for beauty, two very good looking men. It's feel substitution in football and even east Dave. And by the way, that was a good goal. Go garbage time, spit a slop, take it, but you still how much you made genuinely meant everything to him everything too. I mean, everything's going ROY. Let's say that start to the season, this international break where you are, you are in that three you in that in that lead. Breakaway group from the Pella told as Serres Chelsea when you even mood you like to admit? Yeah, definitely. But I would what I'm really going to give him credits and I still think we're gonna struggling in some small teams playing football because people are just going to pack out against the bull and eating will not be fit the whole season. You see how he gets fouled. I mean, he was just hacked apart in this game again and without eating his odd, it's very tough to see this system working. We can we count and for the entire season in the Premier League. So I like it, I find entertaining. They're playing good football, and he gets the credit for making his ought of very, very, very happy man. But I would say between that and also dabid Louise and Ruediger a better team than Southampton punished. Chelsea for those defensive lapses. Okay, Fulham, one arsenal. Five also when the sixth straight rods, thanks to braces from Alexandra and Abacha Yang. That's a little double act. Page six, grim reaper, Aaron Ramsey also go on the school. She just thirty nine seconds of the coming off as a summit side is actually charge as owner who died Astle, overtake Spurs on goal difference an end to the Trump for the first time since December sixteen last year. Oh no. I can't believe this arsenal. They call my swagger back back. The fans screamed the infant away and we've got slow back also football club have not been this good since two thousand six when they were the Champions League finalists, and it's still machine to see them all ripple muscled again, it's it's, it's remarkable, it's I'm elated for also fun, but it is unleashing. It's like it's like Michael, Sarah got all muscle that we've absent PEX and made his debut is an action movie still what you make all David. It's a radical transformation. It is. It's really attractive football. It has a little bit of steel to it as well, which I like he's a very likable guy and also behind. Seems apparently quite hold on his players with McHugh loves like it. No easy feat a London. Darby. These London Dhabi's are really, really hard Fulham of going through a bit of a wobble right now, but still cranking cottage, a very, very tough place to go and just demolish humiliate humiliate eighteen with a lot of talent. Yeah, I do think you've hit the point is critical about this transformation. It's not just about change of tactics, change of personnel, but it's about I am rebuilding a culture of professionalism, positively, and that is taking place on the training ground day in day out most importantly and impressively to me giving that team the ability to whether a terrible start a brutal goal of games that we forgot about the Chelsea Manchester City star on those first two weekends, staying true, to course to fuel a potency, an intelligence, a confidence, adjectives, three potency Intel. Agence confidence that we've not associated with arsenal in a long, long time. I mean, qualities that were captured the personified. By that third goal against imbalance, full of move back line is even more susceptible to switch off than nationals own one away Ramsey fumed on the bench strolled onto the failed start and finished a move. Well, that I took the Welshman in the pool softly up the flank Beller in gymnastically flicked the ball forward Ramsey rose up to keep momentum going improvise nor that the head it was like, I've only ever seen that when we were in Rio on the beach. What Jin young children just keep the ball up Fellay the whole after noon. You don't associate it with bridge for bullet. He didn't it off to Mika. -tarian found Obama Yang. There on the left hand side. Each of these passes each of these moves of these improvise Asian, seemingly learning from the brilliance, the beauty, the poetry from the one that came before it and the ball came in Ramsey kept moving and Oprah's cross with a spinning flake. Watch so many times. I think it's a scope Paul de Chuck Norris, but also Paul Myron angelie and befuddle poor better Nellie in the Fulham goal. The bull just tucked exquisitely still spinning into the corner of the full that and that go to me is the true image of this also team. And the way to sing is not only that you love them. They love watching them. They pay awesome players to love playing football, the happy smiley, how much the funds field thread are more bisquick tweet tweet at us and said, there's an awful fan. I don't understand the sensation of awful scoring, making me feel confident and happy instead of making me feel like it's full shadowing a much deeper disappointment still to come. I mean, looking Asan Vega Bill watching this. How do you think he's getting forgotten. It's very tough and anybody leaves a job case you have run into, like, you know, go to dinner at Craig's and Los Angeles, big industry place, and you seek former studio heads, former network heads, dining there, and. Especially when they left networks to become incredibly successful just is like a weird feeling. What mistake be thinking. Maybe he came together with our Senden they could get some projects going, maybe they could get together and still working with no fancy because my God, nothing is worse because of this new Oslo, which is like a shocking is what east Germany after the war came down, Dylan, going electric. Nothing is more shocking as also move into fourth ahead of Spurs. Nine straight wins. All comes December still ahead, which is awesome vendors greatest fail, but this less palace deck, so that surgery optimism and joy swilling around the which is only going to grow. But the only thing I can think of other than Venga David. This has been bad for awesome. Fancy one, so powerful now fill in about as relevant as MTV. It's no good hostile fantasy when they're winning is no fun. It's just not. It's not the network. You want to watch. Awesome fans when they're winning and just shouting on television to say, yes, it's nice things about their manager. It's really lost. Its number one hit. It's like it's like AMC without Walking Dead. This is not. It's not gonna work also found TV under this format, but it's a switch formats. Quickly can pit you damn get some of the executives you've met in Craig jobs again together with Venga and they could lose arsenal fancy fancy, which is just Venga being interviewed after the game where he just talks terribly about arsenal fan TV. It's not good blood FAM. It's no good anymore. Tubes is crap. I love it. It's awesome fan TV. It's such a great idea. We're going to do that. Why have we also. Have we also. TV. It's meta said, if you listen get your agents to give us a very good across north London, ton ham one if Nellie utilitarian performance. The difference in this one besides the fact Spurs good in Cardiff the opposite of good. It was an eight-minute, Eric, dia goal courtesy of premium corner scraps road Spurs were in fifth place. Just two points of the top of the table image needed three points after that. Bare-bottom spanking handed out mid week by Lynagh messy and Champions League master class. Yes. Have been injury, crisis Yongan, Moussa Bella Christian. Eric's in the deli. Oh, missin killed. If hapless winless in they did have some perf and the star. This was Neil Warnock was very upset with card. If going down to ten men, Joe rule sent off after stood, I tackle Lucas. No-one saying that the sending-off of rules should. Wouldn't have been a red because quite didn't endanger the life of a play. In Wales slow to be. That's pretty much it. Wouldn't you watch? I, if that was a new stunned that that'd be some crazy Mad Max today, kind of stuff. David, especially also included Hamble ratings BUSTER team that we probably not who we should be talking about in bolt in this race, the top four Roche, this race for the top six walls. They go to Crystal Palace another very difficult place to win an Irishman amongst map. Dougherty beats Wayne never stopped. Never settle Hennessy. Beats NIST fifty six minutes to keep walks flying up to seven th Raj Goulden shirts and lost just once in seven games. In this the season of the Portuguese manager, it's new wolves doing best of all tribute to consistency and continuity. Started the same. Eleven in all matches since returned to the premise league four. Clean sheets in five, the Shing and fifteen points in their first eight games for the LA wolves walk four, nil Bullman four. Another cherries, win courtesy of Joshua king brace, Canham Ralston goal in a second strike in as many games and fresh-faced twenty one year old. David Brooks wrote the sensible voice of the American right punch, Liam disciple Eddie. How has a site out to see only two points outside the talk for all hail, Bouma the best ever start to a Premier League season so much bead. Callum Wilson, Josh king. Everything they took seems to fly in right now. But for what furred reverting to the mean after their perfect start to the season. One point in their four loss games for the team that remind me of a conversation that over her parents having breakfast table recently, but that just declared to everyone a nobody in particular said, I had the most remarkable dream last night. I dreamt I could fly. I saw over the city and we will just eat no breakfast. And then he goes, anybody else dream they could fly. It's magnificent to which my mum just muttered. I only have dreams where fooling tumbling plummeting, what for dry. Now the start off the season as data the now, my mother vow the vow of the family. Because I have both of those streets. I I can fly, but but I thought whatever I can fly is a Mike, I'm gonna break the world record that's investing. I'm going to be champion. The first thing I always think about, but then also have the fulling which is when I'm playing rugby, I'm back at my old school and their whole. So coming up in the field, the adult sidestepping dropping lecture hall of the ultimately hold on one of those holes. And I have new tone to dream about flying fulling become fit these streams when you can dream about his bed-wetting David. Also streaming about pets. He means Fenwick. Okay. Let's have mill Friday night lights on the south coast, an English Luca Kathy pled not that secure. Not his goal of the season ending Manuel Pellegrini's mini Islam. The renaissance Brighton in thirty the arms in fifteen, and then Burnley one hottest field one, the Yang liveable cities Yang in which tactics throw him out. A victory shouts of amid proceeded. Audible, big lumped into the box goals from the claret Sam votes and German terrier Christopher sheeting, blah, leave this one knotted at one, and then less one Roach editor. To zillion an Icelandic bonding, ply, retell, and lift your boys over the ten minutes. The folks is the winner, an absolute loss from city in the seventy seven th minute. I got nothing to save other skin really tell you what Chile, I've got to say, surreal, white took no pleasure in this victory. Get your boys. She lied. Oh boy. Pleasure from this victory games, you boys mostly David. This is our body for me because of the quality of the goals tacking verve Everton. We don't score his. We score off scraps. We scoff Jags Nain in slope, a massive defection or an own-goal. We love own goals. We don't school many goals that you need to take a box called skill or team play, or athleticism or bold vision. So when we opened the scoring on seven minutes, I didn't know what to do. My Hans motion couldn't believe what we just witnessed, which is Benard Tony Bernard little four foot, seven Benard jinking defenders. I mean, just destroying defendants, breaking anger blitz rating them then delivering a bull which is took out full less defenders and befuddle Schmeichal Inco go hand to it could only push it onto ritual new slot, the ball home. Creativity, brilliance, execution, fishing or tacitly. And the players were wearing Everton should stay where to Everton finish the season. Where do you have them now back in the top four road? Well, it depends. US cue me before Kilty school at one of the great moments. It was more than the goal or afterwards. I'll see now now, because if you didn't see Guelfi winner for which Bernard's beautiful inspite goal is just the appetizer guilty. She saying guilty the kind of strike. When you know that the play we hit, it actually has a penis which is made of solid gold. He, no, he does. He does. I mean, the crew turn the couple of steps driving the ball and distance from regular. He from blood, the wreck you cross the face of goal curling seem to touch the clouds, hit it with such in debt. Confidence, got confidence. We got guilty has confidence. It was blood out of him by cumin and Busta big Sam, and he's now back and evidence from three Benard Guelfi the middle tricky Dicky. All of a sudden there was cutting in one Lee is any in football right now, right? They don't have the consistency. Don't worry about consistencies overrated, but let me save him a puddle deep sense of optimism. I said, Tim would finish fourth, David start the season a thing. I got it wrong on the evidence of the first game. Now think they're going to win the league, which league we talk about fair play league. Only one of us is play leak. Everton playing a crew game. Indeed, more cake says that venture clips and capitulation will be that much harder to live with of this glorious start trust. No puts to live point trysts. No, no-one David in MLS. Wins Lanta on the New York, red bulls, keeping things tight in this year's supposed to shield. Rice, Brad, Kazan's, five stripes still league New York, red bulls and be w. p. who was on the school seat against San Jose by single point. Yeah, mazing BW pay pay became the first MLS played score twenty or more goals in three different seasons in the stunning fate wound, but another Englishman way Mooney you may have heard of him to call a headline scoring twice to power a must win, come from behind victory against Chicago, and I will say this to watch Wayne transform himself and his team the it has been one of the most humanly rewarding things I've seen in sports in two thousand eighteen meant to fill a stigma when he arrived at a loss of his own Premier League identity, many of the elite players that rove navigate over what they've left behind. But Wayne, it's called no regret. He just marched into that young losing locker room, breathe belief life into it, and an entire fan base made them fail that everything's possible. And I love just watching a man proved that the true joy life is to love and be loved. I do it. It's just doing this job. I've been talking to. Wayne Rooney's special Monday October twenty five thirty PM eastern time on embassy and we shouldn't allow to have a run to reply. We should kind of like the sponsor state of the union. Set your deals now will also be releasing this in podcast form later next week, it's magnificent. It's one of the best interviews we've ever done and we're gonna have a whole week Owain to lead up to it Wayne, that swamp America. Yes, roads the US women's national team is off to a flying star and will Cup qualifying seeing off Mexico six nil loss week in Panama five, nil over the weekend enough Carolina to clinch a spot in the semi finals of the two thousand eighteen conquer CAF women's championship, which serves as women's World Cup qualifying the top three teams from the tournament book that spots in fronts. Next summer, the US women are crushing and they smashed. They rule and experience match panel. They wanna say the player of the game, and this is going to sound all that five nail beating Panama seventeen year old goalkeeper yen, Bailey who was brave, defiant ten Asia's brilliant play was a wonder to behold she left the field utterly exhausted shattered physically emotionally, and I'm hoping some college counts were watching this game and can give her a scholarship. Now performance to me was everything great about support Jill Ellison, coke and win. Group Wednesday night at seven, thirty pm eastern time when they play Trinidad and Tobago her, then. Islands full that game is on the rest of your international break. Wrought looks like this just when the privilege getting good and got another break the US men's teams in action personnel at seven, thirty pm against Colombia from Bremen's j. stadium, Tampa Bay that game is on f s one England, Rhode travelled to Croatia, Friday at two forty, five pm eastern time. That's on ESPN two and Spain on Monday at two forty five game eastern time on ESPN plus and the US men's national team close out the break next Tuesday against Peru, Roach at seven thirty pm eastern time from east Hartford, Connecticut games on ESPN two. Let's have a prophetic show gag Meister to see international break holds. What is he telling you? We'll Helio oh God. When I drink the game is too short. I think I'm wrong wellness Everton going to win the league. They're going to do even better than that. Yankee Meister is the greatest medicine of optimism, but David, we are almost three hundred sixty five days tomorrow. Wednesday, the year Mark from that. Darkest hour for America darkest hour and a half USA warn Trinidad and Tobago tape. The US are coming back together injuries to Christian pulisic. Western McKinney over the mate, turn the Radames put temper on these games. I'm looking forward to seeing Georgian, take advantage of the opportunity to get some minute show that here's an believe he is born to school goals. I adore him. I love his mentality. I love the way relishes your to sharpen his skills amid struggle in top-flight European football. This year, my tastes of ginger German clinical finishing the foyer melda in gingy the fire starter. He's going to be like soccer's version of gritty tasting Shaw. Very German this week wrote that cut me being one thing Jarman you mentioned earlier in the poll Dortmund and England. Youngster former Manchester City. Youngster Jaden Sancho is not going to school, but I do like him coming on as sub, not taking the SIS too is proved in the Bundesliga. He doesn't leave much time to make a different to these five assists in the Bundesliga already this season. Very, very exciting young player. Roach also j. glued. And also you mentioned Roach Wednesdays. The one year anniversary of US men's national seems darkest hour in Trinidad and Tobago tomorrow, location. We'll re releasing pulled from the morning after that game. This does day and you're gonna add a few observations about where we are one year later, saliva. New manager Roach soon. Weird. Don't need mcgarry managerless marina. I think it cover crap manager. If you don't have such a good point, there are many ways to connect to us including next. Linked Amazon emporium. It's now transformed, MENA blazers way less Bolden person mall. Anytime you buy something big or small from the way, let's folding personnel. We get a tiny percentage that allows us to produce additional bit suboptimal content putting in the way less than person bulma this week, Russian eight book. Could Moroccan garden. Joyce called the color of time, a new history of the world eighteen fifty two nine sixty by marina morale and Dan Jones. 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Survivor 40 Know-It-Alls | Winners at War Episode 9 Recap

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Survivor 40 Know-It-Alls | Winners at War Episode 9 Recap

"Smartest guys let's break it down. Ayman Wow actually. They didn't really win the game at all Savannah. Yes that's right. The survivor know it alls are back. Bay Yeah Oh my God. Wow it's live tribal Stephen Fish back. I don't think it was a live tribal. It looked like Adams going home is going on a lot of stuff going on what it was. I have a lot of complaints about this episode. We're sort of talking beforehand. Dryable sooners at war. It sounded like survivor know dolls like the theme song for Eighties Morning. An eighties like Saturday morning. Cartoon show somebody animate this show. That'd be great all right that actually that would be pretty. Good back live survivor. Know it alls myself. Rob Cicirino here with Stephen Fishbach to talk about everything. That's going on Adam Klein. The latest winner sent to the edge. Break it all down here with you. Take your questions later on in this show. Hope you're doing okay. Wherever you are Stephen. We do have a lot to talk about tonight. But before we get there. Rob You typically wear plaid button. Downs rarely see you in a t shirt wearing this a great old school t shirt via. Ethan's on this is the Ethan's on has this shirt which is available at Ethan's on Dot com proceeds going towards a rare cancer research But E my friend. Ethan's on this to me from the edge of extinction. I gave him all. My fire. Tokens got this shirt. If you WANNA check it out I have one that just arrived. I've had a chance to wash it but now like looking at you wearing this shirt. I mean you know if you're listening to the Audio version of this you're missing out on Rob's Esther Nino's spectacular torso each your lattes your shoulders your in fairness Ethan's on did not ask me my size survey. Do all say if sent me too small of a shirt it looks great on you thank you. That's really does this is like when Saraceno was being nice Like wait something's up. Something's why this is. This is just a human moment. This is just a moment on. It may not be your birthday but as you know every day I wish you happy birthday then. Washing my hands. Thank you thank you so much all right. How're you doing Stephen? I'm good I'm good. I'm a little you know. Just got a big deadline as I told you earlier. So I've been I drink some whisky here to celebrate a know it alls party. Yeah you better get ready. Yes you better get ready. Stevens got class of Whiskey. Okay good washes glad you're on the giant ice cube. That makes a lot of noise on a podcast. Is that a probe. Hasn't been a problem with your guests. We've had that. It's been an issue over ten years podcasting anyway. Stephen so a lot to break down here tonight. Of course we have the pleasure of talking with Andrea Bulky tomorrow. Oh that's exciting. This and this was the perfect week. This was her challenge this week. So we'll get Andrea take on everything and also participated in this challenge F. Y. Yes was this where you jumped? Offer an advantage Andrew at one. It right she. She wanted on her correct. She did win it. Yeah she went up against. Yeah one on one and then of course. We've got the show this weekend. Had a Shapiro is going to join us. single friends. So that's very exciting week. A podcasting if you're not following Andrea on instagram. It's she's got to have the she's like back home on the ranch and there's like puppies happening like if you're into puppies ranches or Andrea like you gotta get on the Andrea Instagram. Okay all right. Well actually. What's going on with the puppies tomorrow but Stephen? Let's talk about the dogs of war. The winner wow what a great transition this is. Why you're the king so all right. This was a I guess for people that are watching the episode. It felt like there was a lot of movement. This was you know Michael Bay levels of action as Adam tell told us in the episode and then all hell broke loose and as with a Michael Bay movie. You really had no idea what was happening. Was this much ado about nothing. It seemed like a lot of names came out fight. Was there actually bigger moves that were on the table and then ultimately everybody chickened out? It looked like honestly just chaos and I think that is part of my problem with like this season evenness. I don't Wanna get ahead of myself since we're just entering the fun part of the merge which is just that the chaos element in the randomness element is so high. And we'll talk about later but you know the fact that there's an advantage is literally a coin. Flip advantage you know. It's like what happened to this game of intricate social strategy. Where you could plot out you know your grand plans for survivor domination and actually put those plans into action here. It was just like a bunch of people running around like chickens like chicken with his head cut. I am dam. So yeah we a lot of stuff to get to in this episode between we had the reward challenge. We had immunity challenge. We had time on the edge of extinction. We had business with Michelle and exchanging her. Four fire tokens for this advantage. So there and it was a very long tribal also with being alive tribal. So we did that. Have a lot of time on the beach in this episode and I do wonder maybe if we had more time to spend with the survivors on the beach. Would we have a better understanding? It'd be hard to have a worse understanding that was going on in this episode. I mean I do think there are some broad strokes that we kinda got in terms of. It looked like there was something happening than Adam tried to make a play and it really blew up in his face in his own words because he thought that there was an idol at tribal council which we will will will obviously about soon again. I think this is really the fundamental problem with the extinction. I love that we get to go to the edge. I love that we get to visit with all these players but I was so excited when we heard about a winter season seeing these guys play seeing some of my favorite characters and people from the history of the show like play this game of strategy and I. I don't feel like they're like Yada Yada using the game strategy. Yeah it's really hard to tell. Even what the alliances I mean. Basically should I. Should we just assume that the alliance is basically the tribes that were not the new seller tribe? Which would be basically then Sofi Sarah Ben from our minus Adam and then the group That was altogether at new call with Germany. Kim Denise and Tony that seven. That's seven enticing. Now is a so. That's an eight and that and that and that group is moving in unison. So far through these first two votes it sure seems like it and you know maybe. Michelle is connected to Germany. But it did seem like she was going to be the Decoy boot tonight. I mean you actually seemed like just for based on the screen time but the poker lions is a thing like. How often do we see Tyson? Jeremy and Kim together actually pretty frequently We saw Kim talking with Tyson. One on one a couple of times. I don't remember if Jeremy was one on one with Tyson. I Dunno if we saw them one on one we did see them in groups. I mean it was so great. I love kept going to Jeremy for his reaction shots of him sitting on the bench being like sure. Yeah whatever whatever the thing is I'm in you know. Are You surprised? Jeremy didn't use the safety without power advantage. I believe he only can use it until the final ten chat. Correct me. If I'm wrong I need to tell you you definitely will and with only one more vote to go. That is that the barometer that maybe things were not as chaotic as they appeared germy without immunity sat. There talked about how it was chaotic. Described it as. Hey there's a fire over here. It blows over to the other side of the freeway and I'm not sure how fires work I defer to Jeremy in this instance now he could have just pieced out at tribal council did not. Yeah but I mean it seemed like by the end everyone was basically on the same page right and it seemed like everyone was running off and saying names but it did still seem like those names were coalescing around a few like on survivor. Basically everyone's name comes up at one point. Everyone's like well what this person. What about this first? You're always kind of running down the list of people but it's still even in spite of that chaos. It really did seem like you know. The narrative was hey nick. Nick is a threat Tyson. Still in the mix Michelle someone like. Maybe we'll think about about her Adam and then Sarah so it didn't really seem like anyone was kind of tossing Jeremy's name and and I'm sure like you know maybe it was in that montage at one point or another. I'm sure people mentioned his name. Just like probably all names mentioned but it didn't seem like the attention coalesced around him and I'm sure he has enough like solid social bonds. I mean I think that's the subtext right like who's talk. Who Do we see in these groups like talking to the most people like? Who are the real social influencers in this group? I think see Tonioli. We see Jeremy A lot. We Kimeli and so Sarah obviously and so I feel like even if it's not getting spelled out for us we can kind of gauge it just based on who are the people that are always the center of these big group Conversation Saizen. Who is that person? Those just those four people. I think we'd see or hear Tony Sarah Tony Sarah Tyson than Jaromir may Cam. I think that's right is I. Don't we seen her? I mean we see her a lot. But and it was so obviously Sophie's Sophie's in the mix I mean everyone has their influence sphere. But like who's WHO's in all the conversations like who who do you think those are the six. I think that that's right. I think that Ben is in more conversations that were giving him credit for. I think that bad ended up getting like really sucked into Ben versus atom thing. It's GonNa be interesting to see. What is Ben Storyline? Now that Adam is gone where but I think that Ben is more connected than we've given him credit for because I think that he's also a conduit back to Jeremy that he's also we see him talking with Tony. He's talking with that. He's described as being super close with Sarah last week. It seemed like that. Sophie was passing information to ban which was then getting to Jeremy. So I think Ben is also very involved in that group and I've said it before and is that again this Ben. Adam relationship is one of my favorite dynamics of the whole show and the fact that they had that like it was like a rom com or something where they're having this conflict and there's the world is exploding around them. Everyone's off whispering. People are getting up. But they're just in there like they're having their break-up you know they're having their public break-up Yeah for Ben. I think that that was a good to have Adam in the game as somebody who's been going for Ben's going for Adam Benz. We know what they were also allies. There also buddies. That was so great about it like they were like you know friends who hated each days. Were they friends? I mean it seemed like they haven't had like a pleasant conversation since Boston. Robinson may game. I think I mean I don't want to keep going back to. It's beyond our to see but there's gotta be some fictional relationship. You know so. Some fictional duo where they are constantly trying. It's like you know who it is. It's like Goku and Vida exactly. We're friends we're constantly. Bickering CAN BE. That could be a tale in our relationship. Who's the Goku years the Goku? Let's be honest. Yes pair club so Goku. Stephen Adams stands up the tribal council. He talks about it early in the episode that I see that floor delay and I'm thinking that's an idol. Did you think that this was going to work? Definitely not not like yeah also because I felt like if it was going to work we would have gotten the shot and it would kind of like they did sort of like give go back and then it would. I think it'd been presented differently but but definitely not as Adema. That just spoiler alert. This has been an international survivor and correct me. Jeter again correct me. If I'm wrong Australian survivor. They had had an idol hidden at a tribal council. It was top of the voting earn. Which if you go back to the premier I believe to Adam you see shots of that. I'm like inspecting everything in the tribal council voting booth so Adam was sort of to the man with a hammer. Everything looks like a nail. Everything looked like a Florida Lee to Adam where he did he was. I think he really came in thinking. There's going to be an idol hidden council. I'm GONNA find it and I'll say this to Adam and as as You know it was a fun moment. But he said it was worth a shot. Jeff Even said always one day Stephen. There will be an idol hidden at tribal council ghost island to this. Fleur de Lee has been waiting on ghost island. Two and one day this loop will be closed and it will be the Adam Klein idol at tribal council. I thought this was such a great episode for Adam. I love the fact that he played it to the hilt for every second he. There was no point that tribal council that he was just going to be like. Okay I guess it's me. Vote me out. He fought and always drives me crazy at tribal when they're like well. I guess that's it. Nothing I can do. He fought every last-second he pushed as hard as he could. He tried every angle that he could try. And like. I love that like you can't ask for anything else. Yeah Adam Klein that he's he's never gonNA stop that. I don't think he's stopping. Once he gets to the edge of extinction gets on everybody's nerves at the edge of extinction being the guy that's going to run off and go and look for all the fire tokens on his own. He's not going to be part of the group mission and he's going to be gone off and he's never gonNA stop and he's GonNa try harder to get back in the game and that's what is so great about atom now. The only problem I have with Adams game is that he himself said that the reason that he pushed hard that he pushed to try to like change. The plan was because he thought that there was an idol at tribal council and that to me seems kind of like a giant leap of faith. Where like wait till the idol is in your hand before you make your big play? You know don't don't make at the on the beach. She said he wanted to change the plan because he thought it was. It wasn't it wasn't that like in his parting words. Maurice said something to the effect of you know I. Maybe it was on on on the edge where he was like I. I thought that there was a an idol at tribal. So that's why I made my play I'm not sure I'm not sure if he was going to put that play or we're going to go get that play or going. Well I think he was like. I pushed you hard strategically because I thought there was going to be an idol. And you know like it really did seem like it was going to be nick before at tried to make a move I think it was going to be out on the whole time I really do. I mean I don't know what it changed in in everybody getting up to talk at tribal cal. I don't mean they're I mean like previously it only switch to add him when he was pushing for Sarah Right and then that was the point where everyone was like. Oh Adam is the guy. Tyson said influence so it so hard I know but based on I mean we can never know for sure you know you know. It's it's an exercise in dimensionality trying to figure out what actually happened with the narrative that we saw was that it was going to be nick with Michelle Decoy boop and then Adam was like Hey Sarah is really close with man. What if it Sarah and then suddenly it was Sarah and then people were like spooked that it became Sarah so quickly right where Tyson was like. Adam was the one who made it. Sarah like it really worries me. That has all this influence. Sarah obviously didn't like that and so it seemed like you know had Adam just kept his mouth shut and been like great great Miami based on the narrative we saw. It looked like you'd have been safe but that's not. Adam was such a a you know a well defined character season in that he was going to play overplay the hallway through and somehow he had been managed to dodge the bullets every single time. But going back to the first episode. Where he's going to go off with denise and then they're going to start making an alliance and he's GonNa get accused of making an idol on its heels from there and had to play so hard from the beginning of the game. He wasn't just going to accept his like okay. Well I'll just cross my fingers and hope it's not going to be made. I mean that's just not how he's ever GonNa play right right. No no but I mean our job is to see where they went wrong based on what we saw it did seem like the ball started rolling his way after. Tyson said boy. It seems like he's talking about Sarah. I don't like that. That seems like that. He just puts Sarah's name out there and then it all started to At least a couple of votes. We're heading Sarah's way entice and didn't really like that I want to talk about Sarah's move in this episode because it was odd and it's it seemed like it was a transparent thing Sarah told us in confessional and I don't know why she would lie to US Congressional. Hey this was not a gay move. This was me I was it was a generally. It was a human move. She said the same thing to Tony and that this was that it was next birthday naked. Been blindsided. She wanted nick to have the Chinese food. Stephen Fishbach. Are you buying this? I one hundred percent by I. I just think that like the show and how we talk about. The show sometimes loses sight that like the bond like the human bonds are very real and you can guess they're like less people are playing for their second or third or fourth time you know and it doesn't feel like Oh we're on this magnificent adventure just like the sixteen of us but but I mean everything that we've seen about. Sarah suggests she does create these really great bonds with people. I mean. We've also see that. She's able to use those bonds in order to betray people but I think that it's legit. I think for Sarah. It's like I'm a human being. I'm connecting to these people. I think that enables her strategic game. And I kind of think Tony. Who would ever disagree with Tony? I kind of think Tony's rate is correct that she just Kinda got lost for a second. I made a bad decision and when you were. When she was doing it shattering I was shouting at the screen and I was like what are you doing? I was very surprised that she did that because he just came across as either even if it was a human move a human move is not often rewarded survivor but it was just such a public gesture that it came across as like everybody was like. Oh well that's really transparent. That's coming across. The Sarah has played such a great game to this point that she was so often. Everybody's radar especially when so many players came into the game saying like when Dalton Ross asked people who who's your target and so many people wrote down Sarah that she has done such an amazing job to get to this position and then it really seemed like that she was a shining this big bright light on herself at that point in the game when she was at a point where nobody was worried about her and now all of a sudden she started to become somebody who is rising to the top of potential targets in this episode. So do you. I guess what you're suggesting is you don't think it was a human. You don't think it was game play on the way. Here's the thing and I think that Sarah played an amazing game in game shape. So that's been playing amazing game in this game. But what has what has been Sarah's ammo across her her games where you know starting with Game Changers that Sarah will like lull people into a false sense of security with kind gestures and then she ends up betraying these people who she has earned their trust and even if she wasn't planning on voting nick out right away that I definitely think that okay. Well she's feels like maybe nick is on the bottom. Nick doesn't have anybody. Maybe this is going to be a number for me. If not he's going to the jury maybe she doesn't like Chinese food. It just seems weird to me and again that a Sarah did eat at the when they had peanut butter and Jelly. I believe they also that tribe also one hamburgers reward that we didn't see so maybe it really mates it right pizza pizza and they all said the Murphy so it is entirely possible where Sarah's like. Hey WE'VE EATEN. We've been eating great. I don't need it let me also but I don't know that to me it. It doesn't pass the smell test. See I think that it's like I think it's like we're probably reading it the same but with a different emphasis. You know you're saying Hey Sarah's game in game changers to create these bonds that she then used I'm saying hey stairs gaming game changers was to create these bonds then used but for me like my. I believe that it's like she's actually creating bonds. These are like real human bonds and that she's unable to like have that sort of bifurcated brain where there's a human side and the strategy size like the human side creates the bond on the strategy side abuses the bond. You think it's all strategy. I think it's all strategy. I can't like boy I. Hey Nick is my best friend out here. We have seen almost no relationship between Sarah and nick through again. We're not there. That's forty two minutes of you know we've seen basically four hours of twenty two days but they have not seemed especially tight it just seemed it seems very odd not just to me but to Tony and Jeremy and Adam at a bunch of the players that were out there also it just it out as being very unusual. I completely concur. You know I totally agree. Thoughtless you know it was. It was a mistake from a strategic point of view. I don't think there's any day if it was Tony's birthday Kim spratling even Tyson like I buy a little bit more but it just seems so out of left field but to me like this is what I love about survivor as a game and as an experience and also as you know is that you're in this insane survival experience you are literally relying on the people around you survive you know. You're you're relying on their body at night. You know you're gathering would your gathering you know you're trying to get food together. You're in this horrible physical experience together and you become so incredibly close develop these insane human bonds and at the same time. You're playing this game strategy and I really feel like. That's what was so interesting about this moment for Sarah was sort of like frank and I think that's what's always you know of the of the human and the strategic and like for me anyway like that's always interesting about this game is like how can someone divorced the human from the strategic personally. My failure in the game is that I always get caught up in the human. You know it's like oh I really like. This guy is still wonderful human. Wouldn't it be incredible if if he has a million dollars and you know I think it is easy to lose sight of the strategic game in the humanity of the experience I totally understand what you're saying And and we see it happen time after time. And I think that's been you know basically It's a theme of the Shell of You. Know what are people willing to do? And they build these bonds and build these relationships. Just the the Sarah. And Nick relationship just was not anything that had been formed on screen. I don't know other than when they did the puzzle together that we debated whether or not they through the puzzle. Had we seen any interaction between the trimming the entire season so it just seems it seems very odd and as Jeremy pointed out. Hey I'm I've done this. I made this mistake in survivor. San Juan del Sur. Jeremy gives up his spot at the. I forget exactly if it was John. Nash or was it Missy one of those two and he ends up giving up his spot on the reward so that they can eat. And what did they do? They paid him back by voting him out. It's just yeah Natalie. Anderson also gave her spot on their award and she won the game. Okay Fair enough fair enough but they felt like I we're going to go ahead and use this jeter and and people will take advantage of your generosity so we've been talking about this. Yeah the game move. It's not even a good game room. I mean this is Albert. Did this in twenty three and it was a bad idea. Then I think seventeen seasons later. It hasn't gotten better so I agree as a game. It's definitely a bad choice. I thought Tony like I really only handle it. He was like hey. I think this was a mistake. Not here to lecture you. I'm not here to tell you what you know but I think you what a great ally Tony you know like. He seems Tonia. Tony and Sarah and he said I think you got caught up in the moment you got caught up in the moment. Yeah you get it I get it. You get caught up in the moment. I'll well Tony. Yeah I really was a human moment for me. Yeah that's pretty pretty flawless right. That was that high point Well well done. I thought I thought I was talking to Sarah. I'm trying I'm trying Rob Sarah says look. Hey Nick Wilson is my best friend. Nick Wilson is the greatest guy I've ever met in my entire life that he is Super Fun and charismatic. And wonderful to be around and he'd never awkwardly pops into a conversation and if you hung out with them you give them your Chinese food to do you think that nick has a name for their alliance of Him and Sarah. Yeah I don't know I don't know I don't think he's doing this season. That would be a mistake not to do that. That was one in the game. Last time was naming everything I think if people ashtray envious preseason I think he said that people ask for one they were going he he would give it but he wasn't going to be just like handing them out. I see so it's like Philip. You have to request a special agent name. Get admitted into stealth nick. Yeah so just to go back to that tribal council. Nick came into that trouble council. Feeling like hey. This is pitiful winners at war garbage. This is this is the worst this embarrassing for you guys. Then everybody got up and talked said. Hey let's all vote atom and then Nick said okay. Finally this is good now here now this is the this is something you guys you were talking here. Now you know. Rob What do you think of the whole like hyenas versus wolves thing? I mean you know I know a lot of people have been like. Oh it's just the big dudes who are claiming that they're the wolves but like Sandra is in that group initially. Yeah that Tony had to like talk Sandra into it. I mean Sandra was not having it when it came up by way of like. Hey let's save Tyson because hey we're the threats need to stick together. Sandra seemed like she was not on board with that. But it did. Seem like Po- Swab. She was open to that idea. But not open enough to keep Tony in the game so I don't think that the Andhra ever think Sandra was on board with. Hey I know who my allies are and I'll talk about it like tribal council as part of the smokescreen of. It's the big threats against the little threats. But I don't think that Sandra ever bought into that but like you know I feel like last episode or maybe when we talked last time I thought it was such a silly dichotomy like hey how how dare you call yourself a big threat when like literally everyone has won this game like how has some one person more of a threat to win the game. Another person but it is true that there are some people who are just higher profile going into the season like this. That's just like that's just the the the case like Tony was always going to be huge target. You know I mean because of his personality so I stay Andrew to Boston rob to thought about this a lot during the week where that. I do feel like that. There is merit in terms of the big the big threats protecting the big threats and I think they can make a mistake by going after each other pre merge and I think that here at the beginning of the merge can also have each other's back but by the very nature of there being sort of like the bigger high profile players. Eventually they need to come after each other so I feel like that. There's sort of like an expiration date on how long this will. I think that you can ride this. Hey we're all the big threats each other's backs and you can get to like the final nine is something like that and then at that point like the the weight of that is going to start to crack whereas like what am I doing. I'm going to go to the final four or five with these people that it's just not gonNa make sense. I feel like if you're actually playing with good players but I do think that the big threats should have each other's back in the early game at the first part of the merge where it's so crazy and if you let the quote unquote lower-profile players all get together. They could outnumber you at this point. You have to sort of like get a stranglehold on where there's more there's more of the threats in the game in terms of the people that are sort of could just like five or six people could just get together and knock all the threats out. Why would Kim not being like like Kim widely considered to be one of the greatest players of all one? She want immunity today. Why would she not WANNA reward? Why would she not be in the big threats or it makes you think she's not listening them? I don't I don't know if she was in. I don't think we've ever seen her explicitly called a big threat. Because you could be such a good player that you are at a tier above the level where everybody sees. You're a good player that's going for. No one's coming for Kim which to me is crazy is amazing that Kim shed I think people forget also. Kim Won four individual immunity challenges in her season. She also has an idol which does not seem to be a factor. Even though Sophie knows about it she her name is not even coming up anymore at this point in time and yes she did have individual immunity tonight but you don't see anybody sort of rallying against her. She has ties in with Tyson and with. Tony is in with Tyson me and and with with Sarah and Sofi and denise and she is like the hub but when we talk about this group of Eight. Kim Is the person that has a connection with every single person there except maybe for Ben and Michelle. Nick well I'm talking about the we're talking about the power players of the big group. Yeah Yeah and the toilet. Who are the people that are on the outs? The people that don't have a connection to Kim. There you go. Oh Yeah well. She's insisted everybody Yeah yeah and I feel like that. That bigger group. I think that Ben is probably at the bottom because he has the least proximity to Kim interesting. I like it. Yeah I do think that Ben is certainly. He's got to be one of the bigger targets. Although probably getting Adam voted out is good for the fact. That ben was on Whatever the hell that tribe was called. It's probably good for him right or you're good because he's close to Sarah and also close to Sophie who are also big stakeholders in I in this group and he seems to have bonded well with with Tony and with Jeremy so I think those are points I in his favor and he has a connection to denise. I think that there's a lot of crossover between those two. Those two tribes from the after the swot. I really can't get over. How great that Travel Council was in terms of it? Just felt like a couple breaking up. You know it was like anyone listening like you can't possibly follow and then you said you were going to walk the dog and you didn't walk the dog and you didn't even feed the dog that night and Thursday is your night to do this locking about the dog again. GonNa walk the dog tomorrow. It's like it becomes so specific so minute that like all you just like no other person can possibly follow it. It was so pure it was like a great it. Was you know I had some problems with? I'm sorry but that tribal council was really one of the purest most memorable tribals. I think in the history of the show. I also just want to revisit this again. So why all of the talking at the Tribal Council. That did you feel like that. They came into tribal feeling like is it. Nick is Adam and then by way of everybody talking that they arrived on. Okay it's definitely atom. I kind of thought they came in with its atom. It was whenever whenever like anyone asked whenever Adam was like. Hey who are you voting for? They'd be like we. Just gotTa get down there and vote. They're the no one gave him a straight answer. So Do you feel like that? It was maybe Adam and then there was a there was a split vote. I mean there was a lot of talk on the beach. Let's just put all the votes on atoms. Do you think that there was some talk about a split vote and who was in on the split bone a who was on the split vote? Soy The split was on. There was one vote on nick one on Adam and then one wrote on Sarah which was Adam. Cast the vote for neck. Yeah I miss that too. I mean Ben. Ben Is the only person who said. He wasn't voting for Adam. So it's conceivable that Ben put another vote on Sarah but No Adam Adam definitely put the vote on Adam. I'm sorry I'm Nick Nick. Yeah yeah sorry. Nick had so nick had two votes. So we're not sure if somebody has been to the survivor wicky and can find out that information. Let us let us know that in the chat. I thought this was a good week for so I was. I was definitely more down. What Sofi did last week where you were higher on Sophie getting rid of Wendell because of his proximity to Jeremy? I was worried about there. Being some sort of a swing back in the direction of Sophie. Sophie had a very quiet episode. I think that that was a good thing for her. Yes she wasn't really in very much but like you're like you're saying I guess that's probably. That's probably a positive. Do you think that the move to take out? Adam was in any way. Okay well this is one of so fees ponds potentially it seemed more directed at Adam Adam. Exactly it really seems specific to Adam where Adam was trying to make a play. He almost succeeded at making the play. I I don't I don't know if you know it's like it. Doesn't that like pond? Based I mean I guess last week it was kind of like Oh Wendell takeout window because it we can Jeremy but it didn't really that didn't really seem to be the case or Adams like let's go for Sarah because it makes ben weaker but it didn't really seem to be the cal that's also with the well the well with with Ben and Sarah. We're like who told you to that voting out. Sarah would. We can me and Adams like a lot of people like just give me one name. Give me one name well. It's open anyone. It really is full circle where Adam called it out. He said that Ben is playing more like Boston rob than he would ever want to admit. And Go back to that first episode. Where you're not gonNa tell me because I'm not going to trust you if you don't tell that's a really good point. Yeah this is it for the comes. Full Circle Yeah but if it's true if someone can't tell you who said something they they said the thing Yeah especially when people are asking you point blank. Who was the person that said it but the problem for Adam here was believed that he was the person that said it. Oh No know he was he was. There wasn't even somebody to throw under the bus. What was Ben correctly sniffed it? You know like Ben Asks Adam couldn't come up with something and my read. That scene was that Ben was like. Oh so it was. Obviously you like you can't even come up with a somewhat credible lie Yeah that's it. Like when someone is interrogating you about something like that like you. You are often hesitant to name and name even if it's not you because then like you worry. Oh they're going to go tell that person and then you about like the circle back. So there's that element of it. Yeah Stephen Let's talk about Michelle here where we had seen on the edge of extinction where it was party. Danny ended up finding the clue on the edge of extinction for the fifty fifty idol. Which while we did see a coin flip happen in survivor thirty nine. We've never had the coin. Flip idol come into play now. Interestingly enough it does seem like in the post merge game that poverty was able to name her own price for fire tokens This was the PRICELINE DOT com of fire token advantages. And so she set a. She said her bid. At four fire tokens it does seem like people have been trading notes. It seemed like they knew exactly. How many fire Tokens Michelle had and that? Michelle was going to be the mark for the fifty fifty idle. It comes to Michelle. She has a choice of. Should I buy this fifty fifty idol which I believe can be used until the final seven? Which would be total four tribal councils for four top. Fire Tokens such first of all like this. Advantage is my least favourite advantage ever. I think favorite than the votes steel steals an amazing advantage. I mean they blew up. I mean it didn't fly perfectly. Use It but other factors et Cetera et CETERA. Other but but Yeah it's just like I mean again like what I love about survivor is. It's a game of strategy and you know you put your plan in place is a game with people. Oh let's roll. Roll the dice. Let's let's see what happens. You're all a one and then you know onesie. Tuesay like you and your friend like Dosa dough and one of you leaves based on who's closer to the fire just like it's it's like. It's just totally haphazard there's no actual strategy involves and it just like this were edging incrementally closer to the point where there is like no. They're not even pretending it's just like every every week we spend a wheel and whoever it lands on as a person who goes home okay so you This is a good idea. They should spin a wheel and then maybe do like whatever comes up on the on the way. That's a good idea for five. So Michelle's offer as four fire tokens for the fifty fifty idol. Was this a good purchase for Michelle? I mean I guess so right. If you're being off I mean as viewers right. We think that it's likely that probably every episode there will be another advantage and that we know that the people on the edge or most episodes another advantage on the edge and we know that the people on the edge are always going to send their advantage to the person who has the most fire tokens. Right which is Michelle in this case because they want the likeliest scenario of of of being bought so. Michelle holds out on this one. There's every reason to think she'll have another opportunity although of course the fact that she sent it back at all might make them less inclined to send it to her the next time. Anyway with that being said Michelle's on the bottom. She just got blindside. This is something in her pocket. That's GonNa give her the chance to to save herself if she is if her name comes up soon which from her perspective it might I did. I did really appreciate that scene with Tony. And Michelle where he was. Come on just because you're Alliott targeted doesn't mean you're GONNA get targeted. We all know how this game is played great team if I'm Michelle. I think yes. I think I'm doing I'm doing it. What about you are? I've gone back and forth on this in terms of like while it's an idol. It's not even definitely an idol. Fifty fifty shot nine. All I think about it. And it's still a coin flip. It's for all of her. Fire Tokens I think about. If I went downstairs and told my wife that I said Nicole. I think I'm GonNa let let's go ahead and take our kids college fund and let's go to Vegas and put it on red fifty fifty shot like I don't think I'm making it back upstairs slightly worse than fifty fifty fifty fifty right. So how specific rob would the fortune cookie have to be for you to do it like if the Fortune Cookie? Where like a coin flip toss could be in your favor would you would you would you fortune cookies plants from survivor production like did they. Did they come up with all right? We need fortunes like vaguely so that anybody that reads them will take any offer that comes up. Okay Gotcha good fortune. Weights you in your in your bag. Which was basically what. Michelle's fortune was so I feel like that I would be surprised again? Grow that maybe. Michelle doesn't exactly like we. Michelle has imperfect information. She's out there. Nobody's giving her the straight story. So believe me after after playing sequester the other night. I can empathize with that. But what happened rob? I'm so sad that I missed it. I'll give you the. I'll give you the download after it doesn't sound good but that being said that. I'D BE SURPRISED IF MICHELLE ENDS UP. Being voted being the target in the next four votes but even so like when your allies blinded you feel very because it's not just like Oh someone voted against my alliance. It's also that sense of fear of like you said like I don't have complete information you know. It's not just the votes came my way. It's also like oh the people I trusted to tell me where the votes we're going. They were lying to me. I don't have a reliable network. I don't feel connected. I remember when I remember not being in on the Sarah on this for macy's when it was actually supposed to be me I just felt like you feel like totally back footed. Because you're like oh it's not just that like it might have been me. It's also that like I can't trust obviously you can't trust the people but like oh the people who were supposed to be feeding me information off. Eighty information yeah. I think with that fear. You want something that maybe gives you a little bit of security and if you're Michelle in the next advantage is gonNA come. Yeah so it's still tough on. I was just thinking it through my head if Michelle has four. Fire Tokens to burn. Is there a better way for her to spend those? Four fire tokens like tar. Yes if Michelle goes to the tribe and I forget if the tribe is actually I? If it's actually five tokens for the tarp. If Michelle says look guys I understand them on the bottom. I'm going to buy the tarp for the tribe here. Four Fire Tokens. I'm out. I'm out of fire. Tokens you. D incentivize the grouped promoting you out. Because you have no fire tokens to bequeath at that point. I mean it's similar to the Sarah thing where it's A. It's a good gesture do does does Michelle. Make yourself a target then by boy everybody'll vote for Michelle in the end now that she bought a tarp for Like this was a really selfless act. I do think that like anything like that. Yeah yeah kind of right for the exact same reason that people are talking about. Sarah I mean Sarah's gesture will be bigger and obviously for Michelle. There's the element of trying. To mitigate all the fire token she has but but yeah I think anything kind you do now is is only hurts you should. Michelle have sent a letter to the edge of extinction to like. Hey sorry poverty no can do on this one but You know the lower your prices. I still got to fire tokens left. Yeah maybe that's the move. I don't know it's just like that. Michelle has to correctly know when to play the idol and then also fifty-fifty. It feels like a long shot. Yeah when did they get to set their own prices? When did that happen it happened? It happened now. Did you like that. This there was a parchment. Did this who wrote the parchment like did they like right in four. We see the partners. Those extra papers from when Jamal went to the island of the idles. Okay Steven anything else that you want to talk about from the episode before we started to get into some questions Gosh a lot of fun stuff. A Lot. A lot of scenes that were really fun it was an excel night it was a blur but it was exciting. Yeah what about the drama on the edge? That was good Danny boat right here on the edge of extinction that was You know who that in their pool. Poverty was the hero. Well Danny was the one who said you know? Oh it's like you know looking backwards like maybe like how did people in the past. It was both of them right but Dan he was the one who said. Maybe it's something that it was kind of amazing to me that they didn't even think like. Oh there's the words Deo and they're like the stair in there it wasn't really stare in there or something like there was a lot of wordplay stab step back or something and nobody was thinking about Stephen. A fan of the game and everything. We still have to talk about how we tonight got. The season forty a theme song the soundtrack the season forty eight overdrive. We heard versus that. We've never heard before. And they're even worse wieners at war they're going to be WHOA. Whoa yeah. Don't trust them. Because it's like it's like this is the kind of like Ryan you'd make up with your friends like when you were twelve as a joke between. You know your your own personal theme song. Yeah do you wish that survivor token jeans or survivor? Second chances had its own original score. Oh Gosh that's No no what would accept second. Chances is said that my pants up all right all right all right something else. We have to talk about the season. Forty winners on e w today released the person. The most thought should have won. I never want knowledgeable people and now To people said Fish Back Kim came and Sophie. Only one person said Rochester. Nino Kim's is also What's hurrying I mean that's it. It's just like the best acknowledged the best. Yeah really I have to Annette. I skimmed it. I don't remember him saying anything twice as good twice as good. Okay let's see if Scott you pull the quote I want to see what El- what what Kim is talking about a believe it was. He's much better than rob and I think that was her specific. All right. We'll find. We'll find out I'll go back. Go Back and look at that Sophie. I understand I understand. Yeah because she knows the game really well someone else in fact last time she just you. In he w Sophie's Game Press Season Twenty-three when Dalton asked her who before I ever met her which which players you know. Would you like to see out here? Salvi said me Yeah so. Unfortunately she got coached. I worked out. It worked out and worked out for our close enough accenture token chiens personality in. Yeah okay anything was like oh I guess I have to mention my friend rob because nobody else will. Yeah well I appreciate it. That was nice that you know. He's a kind person. Okay all right. Let's bring some of the questions in and here we go. Let's start off here with a question from this is from Wade. Who says since everything is too convoluted from ESCA quest about alliances? What's the best way for me to talk trash to my girlfriend? Who Hates Tony every week? She wants him gone and every week. He's in a great spot. I'm glad we can start off with settling a grievance between weight and his girlfriend. Oh Yeah Gosh I mean what's the best way to trash talk obviously speak llamas? The best way Yeah just talk longer. Tony's name was not even in the tornado of chaos. That Tony's name was not even coming up right now. I think it might have come up briefly but it was not a lot of momentum if this is the same way by the way who asked US alive question on Fan Credit. Hello it's great to hear from you again. It's a different way. Hello it's great to hear from you. Yes okay all right. Let's take another question you're stacked stacked Tyson. Just tied himself in plain sight during the chaos. It's kind of a believable Tyson. Who is you know? One of the big character is this four fourth time player only fourth time or lessen the game is wins way. Back from the edge is not even that much of a target. It did seem like that there was some push to get Tyson. At least that was something that nick was being sold. That nick talked about like. Oh you know the names that are coming up. I'm hearing me and Adam and Tyson so it seemed like at least somebody was trying to get The target on Tyson. Oh that was a fun moment by the way where Nick said to Whoever it was too who's Tyson like 'cause I wanna hear it you tonight. That was Tyson right. I believe so. A lot of stuff happened in a very short amount of time. I'm sure they it's a great great a- lots of unpack over the over the coming week. All Right Pat Tad wants to know did survivor make those fortunes for the fortune cookie. So this I replayed could make big moves or am I reading too much into it. Worked on Michelle and it isn't too off from survivor producers. Well the whole thing about the purse empty fortune will smile on. You Bet did seem a little on the nose. Yes that's the middle on the nose like there were no fortunes that were like An ounce of prevention is worth the always always look before you leap There was no like proverb to make sure be cautious at a very dangerous spot. Final seven the great place to make a big move actually would be funny if it was all all the fortunes were just like classic survivor. Axioms Yeah. That'd be good okay. Stephen Paul writes is how much actual traction did. Sarah's birthday gift to nick gained strategy ultimately come back to bite her or will it be forgotten by next tribal like the nieces bar story about Sandra or Tyson returning from the edge of extinction. Well unfortunately like even like a nice gesture. Nick wasn't like Oh my God. I Love Sarah. Sarah's like well this doesn't change anything. I'll still vote out Sarah so unfortunately like as a as a gay move gesture. It didn't really work out. Yeah it was not. I mean maybe a human gesture. It's still did in fact. It's almost better. If Nick doesn't it becomes more human gesture. If Nick doesn't put any strategic weight onto it Yeah Yeah so. The answer is none right. The answer is definitely none and if anything. It's like negative traction right. It's like it became more of the game became more slippery for I. I don't mean this as like a I'm trying to bash on Sarah. I like the. I like the idea like it's something I would think about but I just don't think that it it worked on either level. Yeah and so. It seemed just so bizarre it at somebody that she has almost no connection with. It was his birthday. I mean you know. The show is birthdays are very important on this show Okay all right. Yeah you never know. You don't want to get some and their birth. You don't WanNa get somebody man on the birthday all right. See Marietta I have to say. Okay Marietta wants to do you think we had to watch the segment the reward challenge and the reading of the fortune cookies just to understand why or why. Michelle bought that coin for four token for four tokens. It is pretty expensive to. It's we have never even seen something. Cost to fire tokens except for that. The deal that denise made with Sandra and she only paid one so the fifty fifty idol said Michelle paid four times what Sandra paid for a real idol. Yeah it's Not a good deal. That's very funny observation. Though that like in order to understand why. Michelle made such a bad purchase. You have to sort of get all of this. All of this lead up to it Because it is. I don't know I think if it were me and it's like how do you how do you say notice something right? It's like an advantage. I can afford it like why not I understand why. Michelle did it if if any of us were Michelle. It's like hey I could get voted out next. Could be line. I have contains. These fire. Tokens are worth nothing. If I get voted out sure why not roll the dice but we as outside observers can say that this was not a good deal I think also is in your head like oh they're going to show me saying no to this on air. I'm going to look like a moron when down the line. I get voted out right. Yeah I also think that Michelle will not not be voted against in the next four votes. Yeah probably not and you could pull that clip if she does and then make fun of me because that's what people want okay. I mean you don't know how to pull clips but you know the ads while I'm not GonNa do. I'll make fun of you. Yes I'm not gonNA pull a clue. Okay all right Steven what does Sarah have to say? ceremonies no idle at tribal. If so where is it in? What could be no? There's not an idle tribal widely I have to give credit to Jeff probst. He always great job on this. You know going back to you. Know whether it's you know judge Jamie do gain or any of the other people that have like either. Tried to play an idol. That's fake idol. Or anything like that. Just like this thing right here. That doesn't move. You are played that that is like I mean th that I wonder how much jeff new like okay by the way Adam is GonNa come up because you would think that any contestant approaches the bench you gotta think that Jeff probst like if he doesn't have a heads up is probably gonNA run for it right. Oh Yeah Oh for sure. Somebody's lost it. I gotta get Outta here but he. He held his ground and really just played the whole thing perfectly traditionally Jeff will throw fake idols into the fire is jeff obligated to throw the podium into the fire that seem to me like a huge over such you should smash it feel like. Adam should have just been like hey until he finally got it to break off kicking gone around just like picking up other objects that tribal this Y Y stopped with the podium. Why why stop okay all right? Let's take another question Harper Elizabeth says is Ben playing better than we think maybe Christie was right on the recap. Add just couldn't stay loyal to anyone. Ben Hurt his name and said that was one time too. Many for Adam and said disase home does Ben get the credit for this. Move well based on what we saw in the episode Tyson. Would you give Tyson fishy on a week? Where we had US fishy puzzle. It's officially for Tyson. Okay yeah because it did look like the narrative that we saw was that Tyson got worried because Adam was being too influential. Which is interesting. Because we've never that isn't the narrative of Adam. Now we've seen right that. He's super influential but that was the perception by Tyson was that Adam is someone who is incredibly influential able to really spin around the vote. Which I believe. He's a super smart guy. He's very verbal. I one hundred percent believe that Adam could spin around the vote. Anyone okay all right at work. Yeah but he gets spun it. He's going to go ahead and try to push his agenda and he at least got like Nick and Michelle to bite on anything that wasn't voting nigger Michelle. Oh here we go. Here's a phase is GonNa is GonNa Answer. This was nick theories. Madam went home based off the episode. If Nick doesn't plan the seed with Tyson about Sophie Adam may not have pushed for the. Sarah Vote because of the Sarah Ben Relationship and it seems that got him in hot water the most. That was what I was trying to remember. It was it was it was a nick says Tyson just to stir the pot Sophie's gunning for you then like Tyson tries to flip it on Sophie. Adam push it to Sarah and that's where it's been so I would say is I think I'd be careful with stuff like that where nick is so obviously on the bottom. It's Tyson's fourth time and that when Nick Tells Tyson like Oh i Heard Sofa and Sophie really okay Tyson's gotTa know that. Maybe nick is through just throwing stuff on the wall there. And then there's are. There are conversations that are had with Nick. That may or may not be real. I agree when I first saw that whole scene like it seemed. I thought it was all theater but then like the vote went crazy so you know there is an element of anyone is saying. I hear your name at all like you're like you're like fear level spike and. I imagine on a season like this one where it seems like. There's so much paranoia. And so much incomplete information. You know if someone's coming to you being like. Hey this person wants you gone like how do you not freak out about? It's really hard for us to sort of like figure what's what's real and what wasn't because we have conversation people are really talking about ideas and then conversations where people are very obviously lying to other people and this is just like in the gray area where we don't we don't know can't imagine the Tyson Trust Nick at this point after what happened in the pre merge so. I think he'd have to take it. All with a grain of salt and Tyson doesn't really have a relationship with Sophie that we've seen in this show so it's hard potentially like getting rid of would be a good move for Tyson. Was she at the zoo? No she's not at the zoo zoo. I was the a mistake I do. You know it's it's surprisingly rare for someone to just straight up lie about a name at least my for my that. It only happens like a little bit less than you would think Which is weird. Because you'd think that there's so much to be gained from doing what Nick did Like nick himself at least from the narrative we saw. Nick saves himself from going home. Just like stirring stuff up. Yeah also possible. Sophie could throw out. Tyson's name to Nick and conversation just to get nick off her back and then he's like nick runs with that. Definitely something that could happen in such a chaotic scenario. Let's take a question from James. Who SAYS WAS VOTING? Adam off over nick. A smart move or a would've mattered if either one went home so to them and their families image to them and their families. So let's talk about this okay. Let's pretend you and I are in this big this big group and we have a decision to make of. Do We vote neck or do we vote out Adam at this spot and ultimately the group decides to go consensus on atom with that the right move I get. I think so to me based on what we've seen. It looks like Adam has more hooks into that bigger alliance Whereas Nick seems a little more isolated. What do you think rob so this was something that came up on the VIBE pregame show today because we had a lot of talk about like basically on the podcast last week and in talking about the episode is Adam on the trajectory where he's headed towards the final three to be a goat where then people are going to be fighting over who wants to sit with Adam in the final three and I wish I could remember who this was on the survivor? Pre-game show that I do for the patrons but we were talking about like kind on this trajectory last season and then she proved herself to be just to feisty to be able to have people work with them. Where Angelina was sort of in this role in survivor. David versus Goliath but Angelina was not necessarily with a finger on the pulse of everything that was going on to wear at least from what we saw on television. She kind of believed that she had more agency in what was going on. And maybe people were sort of like stringing her along to get to the final three with her Adam has the self awareness to know. I am on the bottom no matter what people are telling me. I'm on the bottom. Even if people are dragging me along to the final three. I think Adam is going to blow up every single tribal that he goes to the rest of the way and I think that Adam just proved himself to be. He's fight he fights too hard and he's not going to be just like a passenger on his way to being zero vote finalists that gets taken to the final four so. I think that if Adam would have just been a little bit more passive. I think he could've survived longer but I think that he was not really willing to be the kind of person to just get dragged to the end and then now win I I I. One hundred percent agree with that analysis. I mean the only point I would push back on is the idea that Adam was in that role I really like. Sometimes we saw Adam fallen face. Sometimes we saw him be goofy. We also saw him pull off some really big moves. We saw him really on the pulse of things early on certainly With Denise and her idol he was obviously a part of blindsiding Boston Rob. I don't Seattle has angelina-laura Krishna. I feel like he had a much much more claim to be like a really influential strategic force this season where like if he got to that final tribal he could really make the case like hey. I played a decisive part in this game. I deserve to win in a net sort of what happened to him is first season. He is and he had his his lows but he really was always in the strategic. Mix in a way that a lot of people. Just aren't yeah. It's hard to say it's hard to say just from the outside looking in. They just felt like that where you have such stiff competition this season that there has to be one or two people that are people look at. Okay we know we can beat this person and I think that he was just in that lane of a person who has had a lot of failures did not have a lot of trust did not seem to be especially respected in the group and so I think that maybe there could have been a scenario where that had he taken his foot off the gas. More people are saying okay. Well let's maybe I can keep atom around. Yeah Yeah I mean I guess ultimately it's right I mean all like so much of survivor is peaking at the right moment right and it just seemed like he always WanNa picking the right moment Stephen. Yeah he picked like in like the first episode that Peop- you want your profile that good now you peaking way too early. Yeah Well the fact that he survived I mean Adam was supposed to be the first boot you know the first day like the fact that he made it. This far I think is really a testament to his ability to scramble to make moves to build alliance he had some really close allies ultimately like they weren't able willing to go to bat for him when it came down to it but I do think that he really he was in the mix he was in the mix. And more than some yeah. What's the High Point for Voting Up Austin rob or I think being like being like the guy who made the red at profile? Who's WHO's wasn't Zemalek's future survivor winner. Who said like one day? I'm going to be on survivor to win his season and then to go back and Vote Out Boston Rob. What an incredible trajectory you know what what a Freakin amazing trajectory. And to gray moment I think the probably a strategic high point might have been the Danny vote. He really came across Very well in that episode Hindsight Being Twenty. Twenty was the right. Move To vote with Ben and Rob and vote either Sarah or sophie out that Sophia had idol. Sarah had a vote steal. It doesn't work out either way so that he survived to live another day. I mean I guess like I mean I guess the point would be that keeping rob around would have kept his profile. Dow Right because ROB would be there. I mean ultimately out of high profile player. Adam is not a hyena right. Adam is someone who is very much on people's minds if a wolf just means someone who is a high profile player than Adam is a wolf and that you know having more wolves around would be better for him so yeah having around would have been better for him. Okay all right. Let's go back to a couple more questions here tonight. This is from Killian. Stephen what's killing Killian? Wants to know what else is Michelle going to do with the tokens will them away to someone. After being voted off. I'd rather have a shot at safety than a bunch of unused token sitting around. She definitely made the correct move right. I mean how about this. What about this? With Michelle's fire tokens go to Kim Spradlin. Hey Kim I got four or five tokens. Every time I make it through tribal council these next four votes I give you one fire token protect me. It's interesting I mean that would be. That would be interesting. That gives you a better shot than fifty fifty idle flip. Yeah use it as an actual currency to like by four votes. They you tell them that you know you can't get Kim. Can you smuggle me into the final seven? Here's four fire tokens. I'll give you one after every tribal council I mean I think that's the Garnett upside of this right. That's the kind of move that might happen on the genius so far we have not seen that kind of innovation with fire. But that's where I think you couldn't go because I think that the thing that's been great about the fire tokens. This season has been the Times that we've seen players. Try TO USE. The Fire Tokens in the game with the other players. I think the stuff that's been not that great or not. That exciting has been the fire. Token trades back to the edge of extinction. So I don't want to say that we're out on the fire tokens because I think that that could be the kind of exciting stuff that we see that sort of increases the. How interesting gameplay could be with the Fire Tokens? Oh one hundred percent agree. I totally I mean. I think that's what was so great about the genius when saying men gives back in that I want to spoil. I don't WanNA SPOIL IT FOR ANYONE. That's genius but first episode. There's a moment where saying man is like recognizes that the Garnett is not just it's not just currency for the Games. They're playing. It also can be used between players as a social and political tool along. Can you sing winters award to the theme of strange all right What would be your favorite way for Adam and Ben Sira to continue amazing race team the odd couple salary? -ality show a live debate on our APP. We need more content. What do you WanNa do with Ben? And Adam amazing racing would be pretty fun Yeah would you rather we run the amazing race where they were? I think I'd rather they were on the amazing race. We might fight more. I think for the sake of our friendship. We need to send them. Yes okay for them. All right Let's see Ethan's on Scott has pulled. The shout outs okay. He thens on said. I'm going to show that's rob sister and I think he got a raw end of the stick is Ross Stars but he kind of opened the door this really strategic kind of sarcastic funny but smart game back in the day. Thank you Eaton's on you open the door and other people step throw right throw right throw again go to Ethan's on Dot Com and check out the old school merchandise and help support rare cancer research. Okay here's what Sophie had to say. I think Stephen was a great survivor player. Who MIGHT COME TO MIND? People like Malcolm and Aubrey. I'm not sure I would say. I think they're great television characters but I listen to it. That is probably somebody who hasn't even come back a second. This was really all over the place so fi better than Aubrey is. How I read that. Oh here we go did speech I want to thank. I WANNA thank everybody all the players that I've played with before from South Pacific everywhere from the wine and cheese. Also Kim Sprats Devon's poor Devon's sheesh just because that's fresh in my mind. Stephen Fishbach God period there's been TV period even pushback. God I'm here. It's really hard for good players to make the anymore and I would love to see that happen this season. I think that can be really fun for something. Bigger plans to get together and say there's only one way we're going to do this to change it. Okay all right so I think that the Ethan one should count more because Ethan just said me where you were sort of like a in the list of credits but he it clear that he doesn't actually think you're you're just want to sort of like a gesture at great reasons that he's seen yes. Okay all right. Let's talk about what's coming up. I want to update you guys on what we've been doing in terms of our fundraising over on Patriot. Because I think we're GONNA blow your mind tonight. Okay let's talk about. Of course. Bryce is back great episode of the Purple Pants podcast. I thought that Bryce had some really great stuff to say about last week's episode of Survivor. Of course to see his buddy. Wendell get voted out. I thought he had some really interesting things to say about that and I thought he had a fresh take on the merge episode plus also check out a key. Winokur joined a Bryce to talk about the Netflix series. Unorthodox Stephen Have you seen any of the Hobo? My mother-in-law just recommended that to me is good. Yeah it's interesting not my cup of tea. It's a very serious serious show. There's a woman who ends up She lives in the Hasidic community and she ends up making a run for it. Oh four part four part miniseries. Yeah But you know it's very interesting but you know serious okay Allegory has this our power. Rankings UP AT ROB's website dot com with Victorian Gavin beyond look out for that Puja and Liana the power. Couple his back to talk about the mass singer season. Three episodes seized ten. Sorry top chef is back with the The million voices of the top roundtable is back to talk about the latest episode of top chef. Ru Paul's drag race has a new recap up on the reality. Tv wrap ups as well and then of course find out who the world's biggest AKIVA winokur stand is on the episode. Robin Cuba need a podcast. Very episode of course on news af this week Tyson. Danny and I talked about quimby. Stephen Qube I am. I ninety ninety days free and downloaded some shows. I haven't watched them. Okay all right. Check this out. Shining Shannon Gusts Has a four hour deep dive with survivor? Australia's David check that out. And then she has a five hour recap with nick sister. Nina's himself a five hour. Recap how with Nick Danza. On the deep dive of Pu is GonNa Join Taryn on the survivor update on Thursday. But we're just getting into the survivor. Podcast a Andrea is going to be my guest on the recap episode of course check out the great reporter. Dave Jorgensen is going to join Mike and Liana to play some games on the BNB This Week. Plus find out. Why Adam Lost With David and Jessica Lucid Bloomberg just Lewis and then. Oh what's this Jason Gates is GonNa be the guests that Shannon gusts going to interview her brother on survivor global this week so check that out big survivor fan has Shapiro is going to be my guest on the show. She took over the survivor instagram. Tonight check it out and cons on this week in survivor. Don't forget about the wiggle room coming up on Monday now last week Stephen. I talked about how we were going to be very excited about what we're doing over on Patriot and you know. I think it's a really great thing that we've built with the Ratatouille podcast Patriot community. I think it's very important for people right now because we're also disconnected from one another and it's a great outlet for people and we're doing a lot of fun stuff. A lot of extra shows a lot of activities within the patron community. And I think it's a great great thing especially during this really exciting season of survivor and what. I had announced on the podcast. Last week was that we were going to then for the month of April. If you wanted to become a patron I was going to donate all of the proceeds that came in from the new patron pledges to a charity that delivered to doctors or nurses fighting the corona virus and I also was going to match that contribution. The the listeners came out in force. I was very much blown away and not expecting to have that kind of response even in the last week from April. First to right before we came on today. Two hundred and eighty four. People came onboard. Wow to the tune of that we raise this week. Two thousand five hundred eighty seven dollars. thank God wrong. This is amazing e funding and then I also we'll have to match that you're gonNA put a limit on it like at some point you know. I didn't put a limit on it. I thought that was again. You know not not the smartest player Steven Steven advised to put a limit on it. I I forgot to do that. Nothing is going to happen. Five thousand one hundred seventy eight dollars that we've Total we're going to make that donation this week for the direct relief dot org is the name of the charity that we're going to be working with and then in addition to that. Stephen so I've been approached by a patrons of ROB podcast. Who said Hey. I'm already a patron. I'd like to help support what you're doing so what I also started a gofundme me to also go directly to direct relief dot org where they are also in addition to getting doctors nurses. They're also working with different community. Health programs to help provide health resources for people on all the different levels fighting against this corona virus. And so if you go to. Rob is a website dot com slash P. P. E. CHARITY. Robbins website accomplish charity. The patrons arrive as a podcast have also generated another fifteen hundred and fifty six dollars so over sixty six hundred dollars that we've fundraise in the course of this last week that we're going to donate to direct relief dot org so it's really was real. It was really really wild That we've been able to fundraise all of this and so That's that's what we're doing. Stephen. I've been blessing credible. Rob I've been blown away. It's been nuts right. What are what an incredible thing that you've done. All the Patriots have done to have contributed. And for those of you. Who Have you know? Is it too late? It's not it's not too late. It's not too late to put rob and financially precarious situation and to her. Baragan cost for good costs. So it's all I said we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do it for the for the month of April. So April eight. So that's that's incredible isn't crab that's where we're at right now so really amazing stuff so thank you everybody who wanted to get in on this good cause and also check out what we're doing over on Patriot okay. Stephen Fishy for Tyson. Okay what are we should also say by the way about that. The people the the best to never win. Or whatever. Overwhelmingly like Serena three eight. It's I don't even think it's a question anymore. I certainly I mean I was talking about who that talking with you. Some of someone just like how crazy it is that a recent won and be like how close she came so many times to to winning. Yeah and like like she should want Micronesia. Incredible the party don't want anything from her. Yeah basically like even if even if we want to say okay are you and I are contenders like We both had one time when we were right. There you add a second time where you were like okay starting to see right there in the distance yet three times where she's right there and and the other time you know. She won't do the other time which was better obviously early. We've got a client. You know she was against an adversary considered to be the greatest player of all time. Thomas voter out. Yeah so they got off. It's not closed and everybody else is very much on the outside looking in we. Nobody no love for Russell. Russell jokes like Russell. Ha Ha no. I think Tony said Russell Tony. Tony did yeah which Gamer space game. I feel like that's like that specific type of game respects that specific type of game. I mean I make sense that Tony would sort of like. Consider himself in the Russell moult right. Yeah all right Steven one week from now. We'll be back together. Who'd he thinks getting the boot we don't normally do this Do you have a sense after tonight? Next week. God who who played hard. Who was like the swings back onto to nick after? It wasn't nick this week. I mean it sure seems like Nick always there. I do sort of agree with Tony though where he's like. Just because your allies voted. That doesn't mean you will next and especially as it gets deeper into the merge. I haven't seen that big group fracture. Like why would they stick together? Devoted Nikki Michelle. I think that it's going come back on one of the bigger players eventually. Yeah this thing tracks under the its own way. And so who do you? Who Do you think is the first one to go from that big? It's going to be like the hinge. Who's the hinge? The person is the hand him. I think it's the person who ultimately probably tries to direct the group too much. So who do you think that is though like if you were to say like who who it is next week? Who's your who's your name. I feel like it's somebody probably on either end. I feel like it's either sophie or Jeremy. Yeah that's credible. You Know Jared Sarah also. I think Kim's not really we haven't seen yet. Sarah sort of been there are a lot. I mean yeah those are my those are my and Tony Tyson. I feel like I probably round it. Yeah I think those two as well yeah. Germany was so fun tonight on the on the Doghouse. He was fired or just like the flailing around. It was really fun camp. It was just a great episode. Although that was it was it. Kim's team that ultimately won the reward. Yeah I play fantasy football with Jeremy. Drafting is not his strong suit. Well it's like. I mean Sophie on the puzzle just like I imagined. She's gotTa be in. Cambodia was like whoever picks Joe wins the challenge. He was always the first pick. Whoever I picked him out on a couple of puzzles like that I it took that there has been like one puzzle. Master that there was one or two puzzles like she is she like as the one with Sandra. There was a couple of others that she ace and then the couples that she struggled with. I'm really curious. The first draft pick is though for this season. They're like got to get this person for I mean. I'm surprised that Denise was the last draft pick. Yeah I think that there was unless you were GonNa pick denise the puzzle. It was a strength challenge. So I think that I really did. Not play into denise strong suit right right especially if it was like carrying that thing on your shoulder and then denise is not as tall as the other people who probably were throwing things off. The thing is definitely an issue in your care when you're carrying all right but if they're carrying a slope right so if she's in the front it actually might be good. Maybe maybe all right there you go follow at Stephen Fishbach Anything else say. Are you watching anything that you wanted to check out books? Anything no recommendations books. Yeah I'm reading this the love song of Johnny Valentine by Teddy Wayne who I've had on my paraphrase podcast. You know an amazing writer hilariously funny Bragman. Okay all right. We're back next week with more survivor. Not Take Care Safe. Have a good one thing ain't.

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PART 1: Dave ORourke, Dick Powell

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PART 1: Dave ORourke, Dick Powell

"Sirius X._M.. Ports presents with Steve Becoming interviews. This is stupid from from Saratoga Racecourse on the earliest opening day that we're aware of. I suppose there may be something going back. A century that might have been by been this early but I didn't dive into the annals to find out but it's a new era and this forty days starts now and a little bit of different scheduling with the five days that everybody is GonNa have to just two but we start now we ended Labor Day and these are about as enjoyable a forty days of racing as there is anywhere in the sport the here abroad anywhere and the excitement obviously around around the town and in the area and throughout the worst playing and stakeholding and fan communities vary a palpable yesterday when came in and thanks to Donny Towel and Pat McKenna got a terrific broadcast position inside the eighteen sixty three room the new new building and overlooking the track plenty of gallopers out there and workers on the main but yesterday when we were around the finishing touches and this goes back to the days when we ran the the barbecue and there's always a flurry of activity and some final painting being done and the placement of flowers and all all those kinds of things and there's always a horseman still moving in and bringing the previously empty barnes to life and it's just a great atmosphere and then as we told you we had that visit with Brian and Brian Six thirty over the museum at the hall of fame had the signing he and Mike Beach and that was really well attended ended up staying came out came over late yesterday about four o'clock. It's just for that opportunity to go over to the signing and got my copy of Brian and Michael's absolutely gorgeous book and I've got the way it should have this morning I should've I should've gotten on the scale holding the book and then then the post the post wait to figure out how much the thing ways I'll do that for tomorrow but it's absolutely beautiful and they had a terrific traffic crowd. I'm sure Bryan Michael. We're thrilled and over at Zeros. They had the big kickoff party as well. That's been something that's kind of taken different form over the years teen and I ended up having dinner over Mama Mia and you could tell it it's not it's not midseason yet. It is an right on top of those weeks and weekends when the town is thronged and this is going to be interesting. I think actually to see what kind of attendance and what we have these first four days in fact I was just talking to Gary Stopped at the Barn and Gary brought up a good point. He said you know it was just July. Fourth plenty of people probably you know just just had little vacations and may have just been away so you know they didn't necessarily come right back this this week to be here for opening but then there's the people that wouldn't miss it for anything and the backyard from what I could you tell the backyard look you know well populated the plenty of tents the tent community as it were. That's become a thing those pop up tents and is going to be necessary. It looks like later this afternoon very iffy. weatherwise second half of a card the rain potentially arrives around the sixth race. That's the that's the thunderstorm prognosis noses and we'll obviously it's being tracked all over the place. You'll see plenty of people discussing it online in fact a meteorologist. That's been really helpful and I'll give everybody his his twitter address guy that popped up during the triple crown season Marshall Sterling is his name and his handle is g one handicapping g one on handicapping Marshall Sterling and Marshall has got all the bells and whistles when it comes to meteorological forecasts and he's he's done a very good job with the certainly through the triple crown season he he was very accurate so if you WANNA follow somebody any any tracks things all during the day so you know there's a there's a resource for you all right and we'll go from there. We'll see how how it plays out and hope for the best certainly with the turf action that populates the second half of the card including what four out of five late pick five races and the quick hall the Great Three Turf Sprint that goes is the ninth the nightcap is on the inner turf that maiden forty for fillies and Mares. There's The New York bred allowance that goes as the seventh and the first leg of the pick five five a statement allowances well sprinting so four of the last five races on the grass. I suppose the all depends on the timing not gonNA worry about it. You just you just you a deal with the however it plays out at the same time as excited as we are about Saratoga we don't during the summer that we don't live by Saratoga alone for those of you that haven't had a chance to see what went on in terms of draws and in terms of action nationwide nice weekend and this is again something that takes a little bit of adjusting because you know Saratoga being run on this second on the second weekend of July. That's a new wrinkle so the action at Delaware where they're going to run the Dell Cap as well as the match series the third leg of the match series <hes> comes Adele Park and the handicapped handicapped came up well including the escape clause. Try the Ogden Phipps that was a little bit too rich for her but of course coming out of that apple blossom where she the absolutely so game against midnight visa escape clause comes to Delaware for Don Schnell Tyler baze coming along with and the five year old Mare along with the late headlines the Delaware Handicap and a late of course <hes> righted the ship in terms of victories with her Florida Lee win at Churchill last and did it with authority. Blue Prize chased her home blue prize for Nacho curious six-year-old involved here. Those are your three stars. You've got the Arnold Delacour who of course had a good weekend. I didn't get a chance to talk much about what Delacour did last week but Arnaud I know with a couple of Nice steak wins and he's got that Smart Strike Philly coming out of the obey in fact you got most of the top finishers out of the obey the prep for this they all kind of came back for it a good one honey another broad vendee to go virtually the whole the whole lineup though super effective from the obey show up here in the del Cap so the Delaware Handicap not a great one right now but <hes> <hes> would have to guess that win by late and even just participation by late and escape clause and blue prize goes a long way to maybe getting the Dell Cap. It's it's great one back out west. I if you didn't notice I said I think I said yesterday or Monday or Tuesday about the Los Alamitos Derby that I think I may have said Omaha Beach I meant of course game winner game winner it's going to be I don't know one to five certainly in the los out Derby as he comes back for his tuneup for summer assignments for Bob Baffert and Gary and Mary West and game winner through the rail so this is only a four field and and I'm sure that they did all they could to scare up a fifth or sixth doors but there wasn't one to be found baffert pitched in with kingly and kingly in here with Mario Gutierrez who's been writing the tap it colt regularly early for clearview and feeling strong Hector Palma a capital account cow bred gelding and facility for Doug O'Neill and Doug O'Neill's had been sending out live live horses <hes> these first two weeks with with a plumb at Los alamitos proximity in hereafter and still a maintenance is one of those funny horses. That's one hundred thousand dollars but still a maiden over twelve but five seconds so parsippany with a chance to get great three black type in Chicago. If you didn't get a chance the Arlington million preview always a good Saturday and the this card and in fact I can't wait to talk tomorrow too. Marcus Hirsch you get the sense if you've been following the the fields and the cards at Arlington you really get the feeling that the news of the the change in financial fortunes for both harness and and flat interests in Chicago Land and throughout Illinois actually all the way down to Fairmont but things seem pretty okay right now even in advance of the change in fortune so if you haven't looked the American Derby and the modesty the Arlington handicap the everybody that is local and a few from environments throughout the mid Atlantic more mid America. I should say of lining up in here and the Arlington Handicap the grade three. They're all great threes as is except for that which is a listed steak but the American Derby with a big bulky field and this is going to be fun so terrific day racing at Arlington and Indiana Yard you know from our conversation with bill downs on Tuesday the Derby and oaks and the OAKES's the oaks actually I think ended up getting everybody that they were hoping for and more because not only did Larry Jones show up with the fairgrounds oaks winner street band but how about chocolate kisses for cassie popping in after that turf try at Belmont and the wonder again in Wilkes has got a emergent emergent Philly for the Williams <hes> the declaration of war Philly with dignity that we told you about them when we got speculation from bill and then lean confirmed a little bit everything in here you got an allowance win for Dale Romans Shack let for Frank Jones Sundays at the beach friend and Walsh blessed again John aether Sal