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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Hit wonder. That probably this probably is the definition of that, isn't it? And I'd also go as far as is it not one of the ugliest winners in the car I mean? Yes. Not getting pasta. Just to just get a lovely man. Yeah, yeah, but the car. I was horrible, I noses. Lots to remember about that race. And he finished 3.2 seconds up the road from Alonso. He did pull away in the closing stages. I think Fernando even then was like, I'm not going to do it. This is not my day check. But it's funny to think that Williams had one last good era after that. The martini years. And they never actually won a race. Victory. Yeah, I mean, when they were quick, they were still normally quite a long way back from Mercedes. They went Red Bull Ferrari was still getting their act together in the turbo hybrid era. They were second best, but they were still a margin behind Mercedes that would put them probably fourth or 5th now. But they were unlucky the one didn't drop. But I think that they also a little bit tentative with their strategy a couple of times when they probably had the chance to go after they had massive running ahead of Bottas when they should have swapped them and just a little bit off on their strategy against the team that was just used to winning every week. And that sort of conservative approach out of the time of we know we're not fighting Mercedes in the championship here, but fighting the rest of the round there is like, well, it's bank the points that's not gamble and throw it away, which that was their focus at the time. So you sort of can excuse us a little bit. There's a lot to be said for the experience of winning and understanding what it takes to win. And getting used to that habit of winning the teams who suddenly find themselves in that situation. They haven't been there before or for a long time. It's struggle. And I think that's a good example of that, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. That's what makes the 2012 Spanish Grand Prix even more incredible, really. Okay. Who is on top of the podium? Jean Pierre bell to ask 1972 Monaco Grand Prix. As a career, he perhaps not ahead of some of the ones later on this, a decent career and actually had been quick in the wet before. But I spoke to Tony Southgate about this, he was the BRM designer and who's just on his way out the door at this point. But he said, you know, Bill sauce is great to work. We've actually because I said to him after Pedro Rodriguez and Joseph, it did you feel a bit, you know, obviously that was a terrible time. But did you feel a little bit like you're lacking on the drive run? Well, not really because Jean Pierre was really good. He was genuinely good and actually the following year he outscored teammates Nikki louder and clay Rick zone. So pretty actually pretty probably a better drive than perhaps remembered but had a sort of weak arm which affected him perhaps in the dry bit. But in the wet, the reason this is here is none of that is because it's just one of the great wet weather performances. He's a fourth on the grid, which was now being feet in the P one 60 B, which was not a cutting edge F one car at that point. It wasn't even BRM's current car. The P one 80 hadn't been made to work yet. So they were using the older car. And he storms through from fourth, grabs the lead and then disappears down the road. Jackie takes a little while to get back into second, and I think if you read the contemporary reports, there's an expectation that once X is into second, the wet weather master will catch bell to ours. Now he finishes nearly 40 seconds by 38.2 seconds behind and he said places Emerson Fittipaldi on his way to in the world championship and he was lapped. Wow. It's just amazing where the drives that may or may not appear in a future episode of series three, top ten podcasts. So I think it's in the outstanding drive that stands comparison with the great drives of multiple champions and race winners, and that's why it's on the list. It's funny, isn't it? If he was watching the World Cup at the moment, you see goals or performances from Lionel Messi or and everyone raves bam. And someone fairly unknown does exactly the same thing. And you go, that was great. As I just kind of forgotten quickly, and this is kind of that thing with bell toises. If he was a Fittipaldi or Stuart, this would be amongst their greatest winds and one of the great drives of all time. But because of Jean Pierre beltoise, it's kind of overlooked, doesn't it? So yeah. Very good choice to put it number one. So I'm sure you'll be delighted for being there. Number one on this list then, they will take that. I mean, South Gate is saying the V12 was probably the nice smooth delivery. He was a good engine at that point and obviously you can throw in Jack Stuart's on the wrong tyres into that actually at that point suffering from a duodenal ulcer which would actually make him miserable. But I think that on that day it was just a great drive irrespective of who it was. I was going to ask that about what was it about the car, the engine, the familiarity with that machine, the driver on the day, familiarity with that circuit. What was it? Well, I think the V12 was smooth, which would have helped out. The cosmos DFV was known as a bit of it was a bit rough. So it was obviously the engine of the era. But 71, the V12 was still probably good enough to almost scoot the F in 72. It was kind of fading, but it was still very smooth engine, which as say Southgate suggested helped. I think bell to ours, if he did have any kind of physical limitation because of his arm, wasn't so obvious in the wet. And I think he was just he was just one of those drivers in the mood on a track that reward in a track and conditions where it rewarded someone being a virtue of virtuoso performance. There is some footage of it. He's quite lurid at times. You know, he's because he's taking chances in traffic and because an issue is always not in the spray, just pulling away. But he just carried on pulling away and diving. So he just inspired. So I think it was a combination of right car, right driver, right place, right conditions. And there's no luck involved. For others, you could say, whereas others we've mentioned quite a few times on this list, particularly the upper end. Yeah, they need certain things to go their way for others to hit misfortune or whatever. None of that you could apply to this. See where you've got this. And also just out of nowhere as well. I didn't score anything else in that year. Is that right? No, I don't think it's good any other any other points. Just ridiculous. Sort of makes it stand out even more. You would see the results of the page where has that come from. But this random little factor as well. This is the one time that they ran the Monaco girl and proved that slightly different pit entry around the back. So on the swimming pool where it was now the swimming pool and they did the chicane in a different place and had the pits on that side. Was it the last tubercles swimming pool? Could pull around that time. Yeah, not sure. It was doing that during that period. It's not quite sure it might have been a little bit later. I have to have to check. But yeah, I think just followed Hayden's point. I think the top two belshaw is a Maldonado. They went out and won those races and there was no question about it. The difference is that I think Maldonado, that's an outstanding race for pastor Maldonado. The bell Charles is just an outstanding race for this outstanding performance. I like that idea of him lapping drivers at the hairpin and then sort of doing a double take. And what the hell is that? Belt Schwartz's flew past sideways. What? Love that thought. Hey, a brilliant podcast today. We'd always love to hear from you. By the way, you can email us podcast at autosport dot com when I reckon it's Kevin was shakes his head. No, or a well reasoned argument. You love one of those from a fairly together. I do, to be fair,
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"What? That story is on the way stick around. All right, welcome back to the podcast. Let's get into the 72 season then. I mean, it wouldn't even get you to the summer break these days, 12 races. And half as many as we're heading to the heading towards next year. And his record was 5 wins and three podiums, which was enough in 72 to completely dominate. These days, it wouldn't, but coming off the back of what Verstappen has just done. But that was in 72. That was a proper domination of a season. Until he won, because he didn't score anything after Italy. You say domination, but I mean, obviously Stuart did win four times. Of course, yeah, of course. Having missed one race and as I say, I think Ben ill for at least one possibly two. There were 16 points between them at a time and I think it was 9 points for a win. So yeah, I mean, we're not talking domination Max Verstappen in 2020. To clinch it in a 12 race season with two rounds to go, you know, is pretty good. I mean, early on in the season, MO and Jackie kind of the base had a reasonable start in terms of pace. Stuart won the first race in Argentina in my retirement was second in South Africa and then one in Spain. So it was a fairly even stop. But then there's that middle campaign. Monaco, Emma gets a third place behind the Jean Pierre bales masterclass, but bell scholars are never going to be a champion contender. So that's a bonus. Obviously, am I then won the Belgium will probably win to do it wasn't there. Stuart won the French cornbread. I think one of the best races of the season and I'd like to put it to ammo that this arguably was a better drive than his race in my life. I think he picks that for other reasons. But the British Grand Prix, which is a three way fight between Stuart and Fittipaldi. The three drives of the year. And it's proper flat out chasing each other for the entire length of the race. A little bit of overtaken as well, I think. At MO comes out on top and to beat that company, that's a proper when you've got to deliver you deliver, which for a guy is only in his second full season of F one and against the guys already double world champion. I think that's for me, that's his standout standout race of the season. Can you explain back in the 70s what dropped points were and why it wasn't as simple as going to a race the first 6 races of the year scoring your points and going away with that's what you've got. How did the point system work back then? Confusingly and ridiculously. And they changed it as well. From year to year they did different things sometimes it was ridiculous. So for that particular season, the best 5 results from your first 6 races counted. And then the best 5 results from the second half of the season counted. Now, quite often, that means you wouldn't actually drop points because in those days, you'd probably have a retirement in either half of the season. But it did mean that if you had, let's say you had four, four wins a second and a third in the first half of the season. Your third wouldn't count for anything. So those four points wouldn't, as it would have been then four points wouldn't count. And your two hearts of the season are added together. Brilliant. Now they've got even more complicated in the late 70s and early 80s before they went. Do you know what should we just count all the race? Count the points. Which I think was sanity really, but actually, if you look at the 72 championship point, I don't think anyone dropped any points. Wow. Is that drop points is only changed the outcome of the title twice. Here's a fun little fact. Right. 1964, Graham hill would won the world championship rather than John cities if they weren't drop points. So he would have won by one as their loss by one and more controversially perhaps 1988. The Senate prostitute Prost score more points than Senna but lost on the dropped scores rule well, there we go. Twice. Before we get to Italy, let's just talk through the season any races that you want to pick out or highlight. You mentioned Silverstone already anything else or should we just get to the decider? Yeah, I think I think the one that stands out to me as I say is the British Grand Prix really. So I'm happy. Well, I like to all that Monaco 72, but that's just a classic. Which I'll talk about all the time. So we should probably, yeah, let's talk about, let's talk about Monza. And let's talk about how they were getting there. Now, in the race of my life, interview that we did. He said, I couldn't believe it. Here I was going to the championship decider and the truck crashes on the freeway. 60 miles before Milano. And then myself and Peter wore drove on. We saw spare parts on the grass everywhere the Italians were trying to grab them as souvenirs. The team were just trying to stop them. I looked at that scene and I couldn't believe this was my car. A few days before, I was going to decide my world championship. So a heck of a story before you even get there, and I think before the race he had a fuel leak as well. It was like just like the omens weren't looking good, you know. I think that's probably why I picked it as the race of his life. I think for me raised my life is because I can be that removed from it and I try and be less emotional. Which is stupid because it's like kind of enthusiast. We love it all. But I try and be right. What was your best drive? Is kind of what I mean. And that's why I put picked out his brands hatch win the British Grand Prix. But I think from an emotional perspective, it's a short crash to fuel link on the grid. The coal isn't working in practice. For hours very quick. Home of Homer for I to Fauci, you know, you're pretty unpopular if you're not driving a Ferrari normally. And everything was against him. So to then not only clinch the championship, but to win the race as well, become the youngest world champion. I think his dad was commentating on it as well. He was for Brazilian radio. Yeah, which is really cool. Imagine having your dad commentated you win the world championship. That's pretty amazing. So you can kind of see why he's picked. I mean, there's a race. It wasn't particularly remarkable, it was the next best behind the fryer. You chased the fries the fries broke he won. So if you were doing a top ten list of Emerson Fittipaldi's rides, which of course I am. Quick plug for a future. I don't know why not get it done, but I'd like to speak to him about it actually, but that's a work in progress. But it wouldn't be my number one choice for him, which makes that a bit presumptuous, but I mean purely from the driving point of view, but there's a holistic look at the story of this ridiculous weekend from road crash with the truck to fuel leak to championship victories, a remarkable remarkable story. And tell us a little more about how that race went because he was going into it knowing that it was the possibility he'd break the record youngest world champion. How did the head of the Grand Prix pan out? You mentioned a little bit already, but yeah, it was a site. It was one of those weekends where the Ferrari season was quite an odd one. Which year am I talking about listening? It could be almost any. But yes, obviously, they're usually those days for our usual really good engine, either V12 or in this case, a flat 12, which now mons, of course, these are the first year of chicanes. So because 71 had been that incredible streaming Peter gethin faster. I think even F one is sentenced to me. Oh, that's a bit quick, isn't it? A 150 miles an hour average. So I always put some chicanes in, which costs everyone hated. As they still do. Yes. So yeah, it wasn't a great practice.
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"For me, a great achievement was when I won the Formula One World Championship at Monza. I won the race, and I won the championship. Those are the words of Emerson Fittipaldi in a previous podcast we did for the race of my life series. We'll put a link to that in the show notes. You can have a listen to that show after this one. Well, we may be a few days into 2023, but just before Christmas at the end of last year, I sat down with autosports, chief editor Kevin Turner. To talk about one of the records in Formula One, which took decades to break. And that is Emerson Fittipaldi's. His world championship drive with lotus, and there's a whole bunch of celebrations which kicked off around the 50th anniversary of that actual event of the actual race in Italy. A few months ago, and those celebrations are continuing. Lotus the carmaker these ozone by the Chinese company gigli have unveiled a tribute vehicle to Emerson Fittipaldi and that win 50 years ago. He dominated the 1972 season in the lotus 72 D, becoming the youngest ever Formula One World Champion. As we've just had the 50th anniversary of that incredible record breaking win, let's talk about it with our chief editor Kevin Turner. Was it man? Was it machine or a combination of both? How did he do it? And why did it take so long to break that record that stood let's find out and get up to speed with Kevin now, let's join Kevin when I spoke to him just before Christmas in our office in London and he seemed pretty happy about talking about something from 50 years ago. Oh yeah, this is right in my street. This I was very pleased when you emailed me about this one again. How do you fancy how many chapter 1972 in Emma seems to be? Yes, please. Yes, please. Let's do that. Well, of course, the reason that I saw it was the 50th anniversary and lotus the car company as it is these days were releasing a special edition of one of their road cars. I forget which one, but it brought to mind, yes, we missed the actual anniversary earlier this year, but it is indeed 50 years when Formula One gained a new world champion. Younger than any before, this kid from Brazil that many people might have thought had kind of come from nowhere, but indeed he hadn't because he had been racing in the UK and here in Europe. We're going to find out his story of how he got there and then how he won. So let's build up to that. What was his, what was his path in motor sport? How did he end up in UK and European racing series? Long before Formula One. Well yeah, I mean, in those days, the UK was where you came to get your career started. Obviously, formula four had started in 1967 and that very quickly became the place for aspiring racing drivers to be MLK over to do that. And did the usual climbing up the back when it was a bit more of a straightforward ladder. Although to be fair, if I have tried to make that more sense, we recent years. But yeah, so he came up. He came up the UK ranks. He was known in European circles very early. And of course he was the first sort of big name Brazilian to come across. He sort of paved the way for Nelson Piquet and sent to come along later on. But the thing that sort of thrust him, I think the reason if you like that we're talking about him as the youngest wheel champion until Fernando Alonso took that off him. Was because of what happened at lotus. So he was started. He started off in the old lotus 49 in 1970 as kind of almost the second or third string car. In the late 72 winning the championship and then joachim was killed at Monza. And really MO stepped up and won his fourth world champion and the U.S. company, which also clinched the chance if a joker, because he met Jackie X couldn't catch him, and suddenly he was team leader. So is this kind of rapid rise and then the loss of his I believe joachim was a very helpful to MO in his early days he speaks very highly of him. But yes, I suddenly there you are. You're a young Brazilian and you're leading the world championship winning Formula One team. And he was very young because he won the world championship, like I said when he was 25 years old and that would stand for decades until Fernando Alonso came along and then that record has changed hands a few times since then, but it stood for so so long. Tell me about that car then. The load of 72 D so he wasn't new to Formula One that year, but and that car that chassis that engine tell us a little bit about that and what kind of machinery was he driving as he came into 72. Well, so the load of 72 we did a piece on this a couple of years about where we kind of decided it was the greatest competition car of all time. It's not sort of a game changing quite the same way that say the load 49 was with the DFV and stress member, but it sets the template for a single seater looks like that chisel nose, radiators on the side. But it had a very interesting life. So it had all sorts of weird and wonderful anti squat anti dice suspension that didn't really work when it first came out, written hated driving it. But they worked away, worked till I worked away. When Emma got hold of it in 1970, it was obviously won the championship. So it's kind of there, but then it was thrown by 1971 obviously he was still inexperienced, probably wasn't ready to fight for the championship at that point, but also firestone introduced slick ties in 1971. And that really changed how the cars used the rubber. So it actually required quite a lot of suspension tweaks to get that stick to work and of course some bits were fragile, lotuses could be a bit fragile, so some bits are broken. In 71, the Colin Chapman had got a bit carried away with the lotus 56 B turbine car, which MO did drive, it was like and he was probably right to be a bit and I think over the winter in December 2 they had new funding from John player special cement from that cool gold leaf livery to an even cooler black, the black and gold JPS delivery. They got suspensions, although they got it working on the tyres, Emma was ready. So if you look at the end of 71 actually, they are beginning to pick up results. So the kind of the signs were there. But yeah, yeah, they were quite evenly
The Autosport Podcast
"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"And yeah, he had a great day. He was on cloud 9 when we spoke to him afterwards and he said that when I signed I was 90% happy because the team was, I thought it would be good, but they had not had a superb stars this season. Then when they finished the season said, I was a 100% happy because they'd made this massive improvement and he said now I'm a hundred plus percent happy. So it's going up and up. Yeah, he said that the atmosphere he could feel was so special. He said it's amazing, strive for another iconic brand, having driven for Ferrari as well. He said that he had a bit of left back pain because the seat wasn't quite fitted correctly and things like that in terms of his adjustment so his little things, but he said basically today I was about getting used to all the systems and everything but he's really, really pleased with what he found. So yeah, very happy Fernando Alonso he's I think fully on board thinking I made the right move for next year and there was an interesting comment that someone asked him about the engine reliability, which obviously was such a weak point for our pen this year and cost him so many points and he said that when he was told the mileage of the engine when he got into the car this morning he was a bit worried because he said by my standards that's like really, really high, but around without missing a beat and he said the reliability is outstanding. So yes, already little maybe little veiled digs going towards his former team. About halfway through the day, as you pointed out earlier on your Twitter, Luke Smith, F one, if Alice has won a follow you, he was the first out this morning. I think he was asked halfway through the day how it's going. I forget who it was posted that and I think his answer was, it was different. And it kind of made me think of that. That Friends seen dredging things out of the memory banks where Ross Ross hasn't. Well, tell me about it, then if you want to talk about it, was it better or worse? He goes, wow. It was just different. And I'm like, no, Fernando. Just say it's better. You've left your old team. He was then asked. Was it better? Better different. And he just smiled and didn't say anything. Funny. And let's talk a little bit about Haas actually. And their drivers today. Yeah, Nico hulkenberg, he's back in an F one car. He's finally obviously announced last Thursday. He swept him yesterday as well, and he's ready to return to F one for the first time in what three years next year. And today was important for him to get fully up to pace, obviously. He said he was dragging a little bit physically towards the end said there was sort of human degradation going on in terms of just doing the laps. He did a 110 laps, so I think that's to be expected. For any number fans out there, I'm treating all the fans of various niches today. He did a one minute 27.000 and his number is 27, so that's a brief moment of satisfaction in the media center. Let's talk, oh, and who was he driving with today? Pietro Fittipaldi. Yes, as you say, Emerson's grandson. He's been reserved, obviously, for the past couple of years, made two Grand Prix starts at the end of 2020 when Roman Grosjean had his accident, but as the rules say it's two or less starts, he is eligible as a rookie for this test. And yeah, it's unclear what he's going to be doing next year with Haas if he's going to continue with the team or not against Steiner said in Brazil, it kind of depends on what Pietro wants to do in terms of racing, how available is, but yeah, that's something to keep an eye on. AlphaTauri, just to finish off the last couple of teams, who was driving for them today. So they had Nick de vries making his debut for them, he's on loan from Mercedes still he's been Mercedes reserve driver for the past couple of years. We didn't get a chance to speak to him. He was also in unbranded overalls, but the car was fully decked up. He did more laps than anybody else there, a 151, so that's a real mammoth, stint by him in the car, but a good chance for him to kind of get scripts with where things are at. And they had Yuki Snowden on the other side of the garage here. Yeah, also did a huge number of laps a 135, so what two 8 6? That's a lot of laps in the day for Alfa towery. So yeah, very productive by them. A different running and different intensity, but almost doing a three or two and a half race distance over a day again. It's going to take its time a little bit sore. I imagine tomorrow, but he's fine. He can he can cope with that. And finally, Williams, fill us in. Yeah, Logan Sargent confirmed finally as a Formula One driver yesterday, we knew he had the super license we knew it was coming, but they made that final announcement yesterday after noon. And he said, yeah, it felt a little bit different today getting in the car knowing like I'm not this isn't an FP one and it's not like I've got to be super gentle and make sure that I don't crash it and also I get my hundred kilometers in the super license point that he can now just go for it with
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"But actually towards the end of that season, he comes on really strong and in Suzuka, he battles with Jean alesi's Ferrari all the way to the flag and ends up finishing 6th. And then come 93, he starts that in a really good vein of form. So he was never headed by his teammate for Brits so bar bats are in qualifying. At a nonstop run to fourth in the Kyle army season opener. And he qualified 13th air, which was the highest minardi would figure on the grid all year. And he took 5th at Monaco where he beat Martin Brundle's legit as well to that finish. He was beaten by martini, who has so many spells at minardi will go and talk about it a bit later when he returned towards their 93. And you could argue that his 93 season is kind of best remembered for their sort of coming together on the approach to the finish line at Monza where Fitzpatrick moves out to pass martini and he sort of ever so slightly jinxed to the right and Fittipaldi ends up somersaulting over his over his car and very fortunately Anne's back on all four wheels again. The pictures of that are just astounding to watch. And he doesn't see out the 93 season because Jean Marc goon on who another driver had impressed in F 3000. Oh, Fitzpatrick was the 91 F 3000 champion. Justin Wilson was the 2001 champion drove for minardi. Bedou was the 92 champion, so they did have a record of promoting young talents as we've mentioned multiple times. But goonan had backing from the French government who wanted to promote French sportspeople. So that took precedence over Fittipaldi towards the end of the season, and he was shuffled out, but I think the basis of his race performances and also his development was started in 92 towards the end of his time in minardi, a really reliable point scorer who yeah, he scored 6 points for the team, which I think is the second highest of anybody else. Former nadi, and let's forget he was driving for the team and a period when they weren't at their competitive zenith. That had arguably kind of passed at the end of 91, so I think Fittipaldi did a really good job as Minari was sort of beginning its descent towards the back end of the grid. That it couldn't really recover from. And it go on to get that footwork drive afterwards and it hit score half of his Formula One World Championship points that he'd scored in his entire career with minardi. So again, if you're just working on world championship points and that progression as well as you can say from first season to second season, when we look forward to the top three, which we'll get to. And then you look at the ones behind him, the release and Verstappen's that weren't point scorers. He sort of seems to suit a natural fourth place because you can't argue them against the top three that we're going to get to, but also he's so much better than the names that were we've done so far. Yeah, he can't possibly get into the top three debate. I mean, if you were talking about the best drivers who had ever sat in a minardi, which is not the list that these are, then I think I'd have him 9th or tenth in this list. I think they were pretty much everyone we talked about so far. I'd have on sort of basic ability or certainly in F one. I'd put them ahead of fit powder. But I think we're talking about their time at minardi, their impact at minardi, and are completely agree. He's got he's got the point scores, isn't he? He's got a decent record. He's got the longevity. He's there for a bit longer than a lot of the people we've talked about so far. I've just got a sort of handful of starts and maybe one season. He's got longer than that. Scored a high position. But I don't think he was outstanding in a way that the top three that will come talk about. So I think he's an absolute nailed on just misses the medal placing this driver. Nailed on fourth. Faint praise. But how much of his performance and how many of those points because obviously we're giving a lot of waiting now to he was a point score from minardi. How much of that James was on merit and talent versus drivers can pick up points when the 8 drivers ahead of them all decide to trip over each other and you pick your way through the mess. So how much of that was on genuine pace and he deserves to be there or how much of that was kind of fortune or luck? No, I think with Fittipaldi, you can say that it was earned. I mean, the car army race was, as I said, a nonstop race where that requires a lot of time management. Of course, minardi is going to always benefit from attrition to have to score points. It's very rarely. Unless we're talking about peer Luigi martinis time at the team going to be factoring at the front on sheer pace, but his actual his race drives were really good. And I haven't listened to the arrows podcast yet, but I hope that when Fittipaldi was discussed, mention was made to him losing a points finish or a potential podium even at Monaco in 1994. I mean, that was the track that he always went really well at. And a couple of years ago when I went for to pouty retired after a very long and distinguished career, he went on to race in jam car and sports cars, one three Daytona 24 hours. And a long chat with him about his career and it was really fascinating sort of hearing him reflect on his time in Formula One. That driver at Suzuka in 92 after several races of being a sub par version of himself while his neck wasn't at full strength to press a Lacey and score the team's only point of the year and Suzuka, by the way, is obviously not a not a walk in the park track. That's a real driver's circuit where you look to circuits like that. Where drivers are doing well and say that that's proper. And we have briefly mentioned there about the very best drivers that have ever sat in a minardi. You could make mention there perhaps of Alex Zanardi, who was the driver that subbed for, the dabali in 92, but he didn't do an awful lot in his time in the 92 minute RD either, which maybe you could argue was down to lack of race fitness because he'd been out of the car for a little while, but yeah, at a point when minardi wasn't at it at its peak, Fitzpatrick was a very dependable driver that led the team pretty well. Now I've been wondering whether to do
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"And Colin Chapman was its head and Graham stepped up when he really needed to. I think I would argue the other way around, obviously it's fairly hard. It's fairly hard to come back from the team lotus might not have existed in terms of how much Graham hill was sort of essential to picking him up after Clark. And I also get that when they were teammates in 69 70, obviously rin was demonstrably faster than hill. But then again, at that time, what hill was what 38 39 40 that is not a driver in his prime, even at that time. But if you look at the numbers, I suppose, if you're going to argue them the other way around, Graham hill four wins from 60 races for lotus. So that's 6.7%, which is the third lowest in this list. So you've got Elio de Angeles in his island on to two, 3%, then Graham hill, and then it's a big step up another 12% before you get to Santa who is next on this list. So in that, whereas rin a third of a third of all race is pretty much he won so 6 from 1932% if you round up, you know, what's that some quick math? That's 5 times 5 times a hit rate of zero. So I think yeah, it comes back to that's why these are great pub chats because it's a nuance between how do you rank a driver as a purely on what they did in the cockpit or is it what else they bring to the team and obviously Kev's gone for one factor I would go for the other just to spice up this podcast a bit. I also know that Kevin would very much appreciate you rounding those numbers up there when it comes to sub editing our work, of course. But let's move on to the driver at number three. It's Emerson Fittipaldi, drove for lotus between 1970 and 1973, 42 world championship races for the team, 9 victories and the 1972 world title. So Kev, why is fit about at number three? Yeah, I think this is one of those lists where the top three pick themselves really. So if it's a pouty was left to, I mean, he was thrust into the sort of number one role at lotus when rint was killed and he was only he won what was only his fourth world champion Grand Prix start. Which was a race that also clinched the world title posthumously. He then was there for 1971 when they had trouble getting the low 72 working on the firestone slicks. Worked diligently away at that. And he then went one the world championship in 1972 could have won in 73. He delivered titles. He contributed to two constructors titles took at drivers championship and he's one of the great figures in lotus history, really. Matt how do you reflect on Fitzpatrick in latest history? Yeah, this is the point in a list where I really sort of stood back because for the longest time I was expecting Fittipaldi to be in second place. And then I don't want to spoil the rest of the rank on his list. I won't say too much, but then I actually, I've come to agree on Kev. Basically, on the fact that we last year rated the lotus 72 is the greatest Grand Prix, car of all time. Fittipaldi wasn't part of building that team that won the title. He came in and basically made the most of the brilliant tools he had at his disposable to win the championship with lotus obviously becoming the youngest world champion whereas I think particularly the next driver is less than a one in and the one who talks to this list. They built championship titles sort of teams and structures and were much more of a part of that success and Fittipaldi who did a brilliant job but with what were clearly the best tools in the late 72. Can give you some more numbers there. It was 9 wins from 42 starts for lotus, which is a win percentage of 21 and a half percent. And that is, where's that? That's about fourth on this list. So moss and jochen rind have 33% hit rate there or thereabouts. And then the driver and number one is 35%. So yeah, fit party about halfway. Who could it possibly be at number one? Well, let's reveal it now, as you say, obviously. It's not as bad as when we did the Ferrari one and trying to not disclose Michael Schumacher's number one. No, I mean, it is the challenge of doing this discussing these lists in podcast form is it's like, well, it's a natural progression of going down the order, but how do you not talk about who's coming up next? But anyway, I think we've handled it reasonably well. I think that would be a fair assessment. Let's get on to top two as ever will reveal them both together, so Kev can explain why they're in a particular in that particular order. At number two, spike about him earlier, Mario Andretti drove for lotus between 1968 and 1969 in a limited program and then fully in 1976 to 1980, 79 world championship races for lotus 11 wins and of course the 1978 world title. At number one, I think again mat said much like Michael Schmidt in the Ferrari list at number one, Jim Clark drove for largest between 1960 and 1968, 72 races in the world championship 25 victories and most famously two world titles, one in 1963 and one in 1965. So Kev, as you say in your piece, how could it be anyone else having Clark at number one? Was there ever a case of Andretti being able to pip him on any front? No, no, really. I mean, I suppose you would say that Mario is probably technically better from a technical point of view. I think he could probably explain what a racing car was doing better than Clark certainly in Clark's early days. I think Colin Chapman did a lot of the translating, if you like. Jim tells you what the car is doing and Colin works out what that means of what he then needs to do. The car was I think Mario was probably a bit further down the road of his understanding of what the car needed to the point actually where he pointed out to Colin Chapman that the ground effect car needed to be stiffer. Colin ignored him and Patrick headwind and did what later shoot it down with the FW O 7. It wasn't really close. I mean, Mario is ahead of MSG powder, he's probably carrying a cover that off first, because really Matt kind of alluded to it there. He joined lotus when they were in the doldrums. 75 had been atrocious season. They not won a race. And he knuckled down to rebuild with them..
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"I don't think Verstappen wins that race. I think he maybe he gets closer to make one move. And I get frustrated when people are like, you know, in an ideal world, yeah, you wouldn't have the RS. But people do look back 20 years ago and yearn for that era that's always on the cusp of like, oh, it's better back then. It was better back then. Which area are you talking about? You're talking about gym Clark, you're talking about Emerson Fittipaldi. Michael schema, what do you mean? It's always the same thing, right? But those races were people remember those amazing key moments, but it was just tended to be just one. It wasn't necessarily constant wheels wheel fighting. I think with this the it's the same in Bahrain. It wasn't going to go on forever, and it was the same here. It just worked for that period of time. And they're so clever the way they were using it. Max adapted his approach. I think Jesse, you're right. He does seem to be sort of, he has changed, or the early evidence suggests he is sort of paying the longer game that really was evidence today because he had to wait until later on in the stint because that was just the way it played out with tires and he said he knew that I think he was like, I can't do my usual thing and go all out on the attack early on. He waited, he by the time he realized what the glow is doing in terms of using the second ARS to get back to you. He's like, no, you're not doing that again. And what was brilliant was leclerc immediately recognized that. So they both lock up. Leclerc hits on the gas and just heads off. It's like the peripheral vision. You know that helmet cam, you saw leclerc and Bahrain going left, right, left, right, left. How on earth they see anything is tremendous. Just the spatial awareness to know what your ride was doing, you're listening, you're feeling your hearing. It's just tremendous stuff there. But yes, I think people complain if you're complaining about that. I mean, are you ever going to enjoy Formula One? If that's what you're complaining about, you know, yeah. A couple of things that I loved about today was firstly, the two cars, the two teams set their cars up differently. So you had that top end pace from Red Bull and then you had the Ferrari that could pull away in sector one. In the race, it was max that topped out the speed trap at 334.6 kilometers an hour. Bottom of the 18 runners that run was Ferrari. Carlos Sainz, 318 and then slightly above him in 16th Charles Charles was at 320. So you've got an offset there of 14 kilometers an hour and then layer on top that slipstream, then layer on top, the DRS, and there was just that at that offset that made great racing and this new rule set, a new cars where different teams not only they'd look different visually, the bits that we can see. They're setting their cars up differently, but Alex, let me ask you, you're going to be flying out to Melbourne in a couple of weeks time while flying before. Two weeks. It's a week today. Experiment, Melbourne, no DRS. Like, would that shut up? Everybody don't wake up to the race. Right? So that's not the doubters. Would there be a terrible Melbourne race? It's not been on the calendar for two years. I think that's a fair. I don't think that's a fair circuit to test this out on because holy moly. It would stop it would stop. I like the idea of experiment Martin, but please can we not do it outside? That's like, RIP F one, I think. So I think there's three things there and one is to live so relentlessly in the real world. But you can't just have one race run to different rules. I got annoyed about that with the sprint races last year. It's like, haven't fine experiment with race weekend format. Don't have them count for championship points, because that's just not fair, really. And it would be to say it would be the same with Melbourne but I think the bigger problem is you would have one very boring race. They've done a lot of track changes, they've invested a lot of money, that great organization, the Australian Grand Prix corporation. I know they're really we're looking forward to having the race back and a lot of they have had to cap ticket numbers on fairly sure because they just can't get the number of officials and the way things are going to be managed for the COVID rules and things like that. Phenomenal race, I'm sorry looking forward to going back there. But yeah, I just don't think I just don't think having garris would work out, but I think what's really interesting is that don't forget, I think the way they reach those speeds are completely different. So the Ferrari hybrid upgrade they introduced at the end of last year packs one hell of a punch. So they accelerate off the corners really, really, really fast. The Red Bull has a much lower drag philosophy, so it is able to hit a higher top speed, but the Ferrari can get to its top speed quicker. So it balances it out quite nicely. I do, however, suspect that if the rebels were to look out the front row, I don't think Ferrari would see them by the finish. I think it's clearly a slightly peak year car or Red Bull just operationally. We saw that last year when it came to getting the best out of the tyres in what I still maintain was the fastest package last year. They're not necessarily a 100% all over it. But I do suspect they have just a fundamentally stronger package all round. So if it were to be rebel start in front, I think DRS or an earlier IRS, I still think Red Bull wins that fight. Yeah, I think Paris Paris was on for the win today, really. If you hadn't have been absolutely scuppered by latifah's crash. Lizzie, if he giveth, but he also taketh away. I think in the case of Red Bull. It's been a whole 24 hours since he'd been into the wall, so he was due a crash. You've got Alban coming in alongside him on a year out. And with the greatest of respect to Alban, who was a phenomenal racing driver, he isn't George Russell, and yet he's not having the problems that he's having. It is a difficult package obviously he's not where Williams wanted to be. But yeah, struggle was when you third year for Nicholas Steve, that's a bit difficult. It's just very quickly on Sergio Pérez, Jess. I don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion. His tyres did seem to be going off just a little bit towards that stint leclerc was coming back to him. Christian Horner says, yeah, that was the lap they were already planning on pitting, so strategically they didn't lose out they were obviously just completely scooted over by the safety car. But I wonder whether leclerc would have been able to get him towards the end of the race. And then the amount of time I'm sure max would have been his waived by. I wonder whether that in itself would have meant that leclerc just drives away in just about holds on. I'm not really sure. I think the safety car ultimately did destroy Perez's race, but it also might have saved Verstappen's race if that makes sense. It's one of those things like we just all never know where it is, or.
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Consider three years ago, sorry, four years ago. Now it was three years ago. It was three years ago when Williams couldn't get out of the garage. Was stuck there waiting for parts to arrive and the parts didn't fit properly and it was just an Omni shambles to now they seem completely revitalized and everything seems to be getting the right direction, which is great to see. Yeah, absolutely testament to the management team there at the moment. And talking of a shambles, the shipping of horses, gear, out to Bahrain, was delayed. You really feel for the team. They have been through it in the last couple of weeks and for an alternative view on that. Check out GP racing. Our magazine, a monthly magazine GP racing, they have a monthly podcast and on that this month's podcast, they make the point that perhaps it's not his fault, they put all of their eggs in one Russian baskets and are paying somewhat the price. Not to be mean to us, but we like to give alternative viewpoints. I do feel sorry for them though because, again, just not being able to go out first thing this morning because their gear wasn't there. But they got some running in Pietro Fittipaldi getting in 47 laps in the end. Great to see them on the track, new livery as well. Tell us just briefly what happened today. They were going to run makeup for that time on Sunday, but it needed unanimous agreement by the teams. And it's either too or three teams I heard. Rejected the idea of them doing a Sunday morning run to make up for the time. So our has getting that time back somehow. Yeah, so they'll get it back on Friday and Saturday, so there will be a fourth and extra two hours in both days just to make up the shore for this morning. It is a very unfortunate situation, just when they sort of thought, okay, we've managed to put this farrago of Maz Penn as pins departure and the sudden sanctions on him and various other things sort of behind them. The plane gets stranded in Istanbul. So it was very unlucky, but again they did manage to get some running in towards the end of the day with Pietro Fitzpatrick. Only ran the C two compound and the CT prototype compound that Pirelli had available, so simply some hard tyre testing at house. So no spectacular laptops or anything like that, but just got some very good running in for the afternoon, which is, again, very good. And obviously, I don't think you'll be in the seat for the rest of the test because Mick Schumacher's got to get his running in and obviously new recruit Kevin Magnussen, who returns to the team, which is the last thing I want to talk about to you today. The biggest smile in the paddock and it was so nice to hear people just talking about him being back in Formula One. It seems like, again, universal love for Kevin Magnussen and back for the long term as well by the sounds of it. A move which I don't think many predicted, but when you think about it, is actually a really smart thing for them to do to be a reference point for the team. For Mick, so again, I think there just seems to be lots of people very happy to see K mag back in the paddock. Yeah, exactly a completely agree with all of that. It's so good having a known quantity on board the team, especially when you've had a weird couple of years, 2020 was very, very difficult. They've had two rookies last season and obviously they sort of put the entire season just out to pasture and they were focusing on 2022. So this is this whole Mazda Vasco has been the sort of little bit of a blessing in disguise. Yeah, sure, they don't have the millions of pounds, but apparently they're able to sort of survive without that. They were able to get Magnuson in on a multiyear deal. He seemed to sort of pretty done with F one by the end of 2020, but he seems a lot more revitalized now, obviously driving an insult last year, Chip Ganassi racing had won outing with arrow McLaren SP in IndyCar replacing Felix Rosenquist who was out with injury. So he sort of had a year to sort of explore other things, did LeMond as well. Explore other things, sort of get his bearings a bit, and then when he got the phone call, he said that he didn't realize how much he wanted to be back in F one, but then when gun Steiner called him up and said, would you like to come back? He was like, yeah, let's do it. Yes. Yes, I would. Yes. So it's so nice. It's great to have it back. You sort of such a sort of throwback driver. He doesn't suffer any fools gladly. And that would be really good for House going forward. I think to get the best out of this 2022 car as well, it gives me Schumacher a reference point. It just gives that team a little bit more of a driving force, which they lack last season. So it's good for them, but it's probably good for him as well. I think we've covered off most of the stories from today, Alfa Romeo did split their running between Bottas and Joe also Alpine, split their running, but not really getting many laps even combined 66 laps between Alonso and ocon, just for the party, ran for has today, just Perez ran for Red Bull. And I think that is everything covered off. Thank you so much. What's the next thing we can read on autosport plus from you? From me, good lord. Well, obviously we got you writing in the subscriber area. Well, obviously I'll be on auto sport live again tomorrow. So if you want to follow along for everything as it happens, we'll be there for you. There we go, got the auto sport live plugin. At the end of the test, I'll be sort of doing a technical review. That will be available in the magazine as well. So lots of things to look forward to. I'm sure anything else any other mad ideas that come to me, I'm sure I'll have a home for and I'll be able to get a feature out on them. Obviously, we've got some great writers available that will be able to service any needs that you may have during the test. Wonderful. Well, that's our first day of the second test. Covered off, make sure you join us for the next two days as well. We've got local Alex out there as well, we're looking forward to catching up with the guys who have been trackside. Today and getting back into.
Past Gas
"fittipaldi" Discussed on Past Gas
"It. Would this be the end of Emerson Fittipaldi's racing career? No, not by a long shot. Though he went home to Brazil to help run the family citrus farms and auto accessory business, Emerson could never quit racing. In 1984, a 38 years old, he joined cart. It's a racing organization. We should definitely talk about it in a future episode because Indy car and cart split. They were competing promotions basically. It's a racing series very similar to indie. Yes, yes. And they drove indie style cars, basically. He spent his first season getting used to the cars, and then eventually joined Patrick racing as an injury replacement. He spent 5 years with the team and won 6 races and had solid finishes in the overall standings. By 1989 though, Emma had officially gotten used to IndyCar racing. He managed 5 wins, one of them at the Indy 500, and placed on the top 5 of every race he completed, and became the 1989 cart champion. In 1990, he was picked up by Roger Penske for his racing team, a team he continued to thrive on. MO maintained his reputation as a top driver for cart and won at least one race with Penske for 6 straight years. Pretty good. Despite his dominance in the sport, the name Emerson Fittipaldi is best known for a single controversy in the cart world. In 1993, Emerson won his second Indianapolis 500 out from under the nose of F one world champ, Nigel Mansell. As most of our listeners probably know, it's tradition for the winner of the Indy 500 to drink a bottle of milk in victory lane. But owned several orange groves in Brazil, and so he chose to drink, orange juice. Honestly, probably better. Better for hydrating more vitamin C it is crazy. Like you just did this insane race, taking an incredible amount of physical energy. Yeah. And then you have to go drink a big thing of milk. It's gross. And if you don't drink the milk, you don't get the trophy. That's the last obstacle. Yeah, they call it the final lap. Emerson was only the second driver to not drink milk at Indianapolis since the tradition was founded in 1936, and as you might expect, the fans were pissed. Oh my God, get over it. Even though MO chased his orange juice with milk, oh God. What? No. The fans are so outraged that he forfeited $5000 from his winner's purse and had to publicly apologize the American dairy association. God. This world, man. That's so weird. But the milk snub would not be forgotten. God. Emma was booed a week later in Milwaukee. Well, of course. That's true. I have no idea. Go back to Mexico. You can bake it up by chugging all these cheese curds. Cheese curds and eat this beer. Milwaukee was the center of the American dairy industry and hometown of our very own Joe Weber. And actually the woman who wrote this script, Christina. Joe, you made it into the pod, made it into the cast. Nice. Me and Emerson Fittipaldi side by side. Joe or James, can I get a Joe voice real quick? I'm from Milwaukee. Were you like cheese curds? Anyway, many fans held it against Emerson for years. Has had to publicly apologize and explain himself many, many more times, including when he returned to Indianapolis to drive for Chevrolet in the 2008 Indy 500, despite it being 15 years after the incident, he was still booed and heckled by the fans during the parade laps. They're just having fun at this point. Yeah, yeah, that's a good bit at this point. Anderson stayed in cart until 1996 when a broken neck at the Michigan International Speedway forced him to retire, Michigan, tough track. He finished his career with 22 cart wins, but couldn't stay away from the track for long. In 2003, he returned as a team owner for the Fittipaldi dingman racing team. Do you think digman was like, I want my name first. Dingman Fittipaldi. For the quality digman, just sounds better. Yeah, I agree, I guess. Try as he might, though, Emerson really couldn't stay away from the driver's seat. Just two years later, in 2005, Emerson made a surprise return to competitive racing in the Grand Prix masters event held in Kai lami in South Africa and finished second behind fellow F one driver Nigel Mansell. Then three years later in 2008, he and Wilson junior entered the Brazilian GT3 championship, driving a Porsche 9 9 7 GT3 for The WB motor sports team. It had an animaniacs livery on it. No, that's not real. That'd be sick, though. He also raced these semi trucks. What did he? Yeah. That's cool. Since then, Emerson became chairman of motor sport dot com in 2011. And in 2003, he started writing a monthly blog on McLaren's website. He also loves to throw his opinion into the mix and has recently gone on the record of his approval of F one's new sprint qualifying races. Probably one of the only people to do that. I kid, I kid. But this isn't an episode just about Emerson Fittipaldi. It's about his family's legacy. And with 7 kids, let's just say there's a lot of family to cover. Beginning with Emerson's brother, a man we've already lightly talked about, mister Wilson, Fittipaldi, junior. Wilson, Fittipaldi junior was born on Christmas in 1943, which means he might be a werewolf. It also born on Christmas. You might be a werewolf. According to what logic, well, lord. You know, lore. Ancient lore. It also makes him Emerson's big brother. Wilson junior was often referred to as Wilson Ho. Which means little Wilson. And we came a motor sport enthusiast as a child alongside his brother. Now we've already told you a little bit about Wilson, how he flipped the boat in his teens, built a successful series of cards with emmo and how he even ended up with his own, albeit unremarkable, F one team, but there's more to Wilson than his relationship with Emerson. Kind of, they're both werewolves. He chugs pineapple juice. Remember when Emerson struck out on his own and flew to Europe in 1969, only to win the F three championship that same year? Well, it was his big brother that set the example. 1966, Wilson flew to Europe to race for formula three. Unfortunately, it went a little differently for him. Due to conflicts with the team he drove for in Brazil, his opportunity to race fell through, so he flew home. Wilson didn't return to England until 1970 following his little brother's success in F two. That year he entered the British formula three with Jim Russell driving school driving a lotus 59 and got two a bark championship round at Silverstone..
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"You'll notice I'm not Ariana. In just a few hours she'll be flying off to Abu Dhabi with the rest of the F one paddock. So instead, I'm temporarily taking the reins, and I'm joined by Luke Smith, F one reporter for auto sport and Hayden Cobb editor of autosport dot com. But before we all try and make sense of exactly how that Grand Prix played out, for those listeners who tune into the podcast for the results, and we know there are a few of you. Here's the short version. In a bizarre race that required two restarts and four virtual safety cars, Lewis Hamilton beat Max Verstappen to victory to set up a final round showdown as they head to Abu Dhabi level on points. That's the first time that's happened since 1974 with McLaren's Emerson Fittipaldi, battling Ferraris clay regazzoni for the championship. Bottas took third from ocon in a dash to the line on the final lap, finishing just a few meters ahead. Behind them, Ricardo managed to climb up to 5th, followed by gasly, leclerc, saints, jovina, and a disappointed Lando Norris rise up the points in tenth. Max Verstappen picked up a 5 second time penalty for passing off the track, and after the race was issued a ten second time penalty for sudden breaking and causing a collision for the break check incident with Lewis Hamilton. But that penalty didn't end up affecting the results as Bottas was 16 seconds behind max. There were two red flags, two standing restarts, three different pole sitters, four virtual safety cars, and at least two clashes between the title rivals in a race which is easily the most frantic of the year. And with that said, and I'm pretty surprised that we managed to get such a succinct summary considering the action, I wanted to kick off the podcast as we usually do guys by asking you for your ratings for the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix. I'm really interested to know what you guys are going to say. I think there's such a mixed feeling towards this race for various reasons, but Luke, why don't we start off with you? What was your rating for the race? Yeah, very mixed feelings, actually, because we've had this amazing fight between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen. Don't get me wrong, it was incredible to see the instance and everything that happened. And there was so much drama throughout the race, but in terms of actual strategy or intrigue or on track action, it wasn't actually like overtaking or anything like that and a raw fight between the two title rivals. Yeah, maybe it maybe didn't hit some of the heights that we've seen earlier in the season. So there's a bit of a funny one. I thought it was a bit of a messy race with all of the VSC's and debris and everything like that going on. And yeah, it was kind of we kept having these continual battles where we had Lewis will get close to max, max would then be aggressive, Louis would have to back out, we keep repeating that basically. So yeah, I would probably give it a 7 or an 8, I would say. I probably I think, yeah, it's not the kind of race. It's a race on me don't remember and we will remember this so so much. It's so exciting for the championship. But in terms of an out and out race, I think if you take away that lead battle throughout the rest of the field, actually it was quite tame in places. So yeah, I would go with the name. It was a very memorable race and a good race and many places, but it wasn't a ten out of ten or anything like that. For me, can I have two ratings, please? I'll explain why. First one is the entertainment side of it in terms of what makes an entertaining race and I think you've got to go ten out of ten for that because like you say there is so much going on. I'm so impressed the way you summed it up in about three minutes because just trying to cover it in the written form, it's like pages upon pages of everything. So it just had a little bit everything that you almost forget little instances to happen here or there, which for the spectator taking out the sporting purist take on it. It just was incredible and difficult to kick up with. But as Luke said, I think yeah, from perhaps more to what was pure sporting racing situation, take a few marks down from there. I'd agree on the 7, because yes, the back of the front was great, but maybe we didn't see a great deal else going on, but that probably because of the Java suit carnage that was actually unfolding everywhere you looked. Yeah, it was definitely, I think a controversial, I don't even want to because obviously it's been questioned as to whether we are even going to call it a race. And I guess in the fallout in the quotes that have come out post race, max and Red Bull have very much vocalized the fact that they don't believe this is Formula One, that this was an example of penalties and politics, getting in the way of quote unquote racing. Which I'm sure we're going to get on to when we get around to the penalties. But I thought I have to agree with you guys in terms of, I mean, my heart rate, I don't think dipped below one 60 BPM for that entire length of time of the race. Maybe see your doctor about that. I mean, genuinely, I felt like I'd been treat this trait this is therapy. This is a safe space for you. It's time to talk over the troubles that we've just witnessed and go from there. I mean, it's been great. I feel like I don't have to go for a run, because I basically did, however, long we had of some hard cardio based on the fact that it just never seemed to want to calm down. It just had every time you thought it couldn't twist anymore. It twisted again. And the momentum just seemed to swing between Lewis and max throughout. But in order for us to really process and analyze and give the listeners a bit of a viewpoint on exactly what happened out in Saudi Arabia today, I thought we would try and attack this by going through it in chronological order. Just the major points otherwise we will probably be doing a 5 hour podcast, but why don't we begin? Because I guess to your point Luke, the race started off quite simply, given the start for formula two, we'd seen that it can get quite chaotic and there was also throughout the weekend the worries about the safety of the track and formula two with the crash that we saw in formula two as well. Not necessarily to do with the circuit itself, but obviously was quite a harsh start of race procedures today. What did you make of the start of the Grand Prix? And what did you believe was going to be playing out? Did you think it was going to be that boring the whole way through? Or did you know that chaos was most likely coming? It was a quite a serene start and it tallies with a lot of Italy's with what a lot of drivers said that it would be one of two races that would either be chaos and crazy and lots going on or it would be very tame and not a lot happens. And I think back to Baku when it had its first race, the F two race was absolutely crazy. All of the F one guy saw it and thought, okay, if I take it easy and just get to the finish, that will probably be enough..
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"And cepi himself said, you know, the race had been long rather just I would have won other cool everyone, and looking at the numbers you'd say, he probably had a point if he had won this race surely this would have bad idea to your number one, right? I would have been, yeah, I think if he'd won this, I mean, maybe that's a bit harsh, really, but to not put it number one. I've very very nearly did it put it at one. I just think it's a phenomenal race and it would have been so brilliant to have finished it with a win. I guess from a sort of championship story it was kind of nice that Graham hill won the race. You know, took the title, you know, after being killed earlier in the air, so that's got a sort of nice poignancy to it as well. But yeah, I think in terms of all his F one races for rob walker, this was the one that for me stood out more than the brand's hatch where he needed a little bit of unreliability for the works loaded to win, whereas here, on a clean run, I think he'd have won the race going away. And that brings us nicely to number one, which is his second Formula One World Championship Grand Prix win, the 1971 Austrian Grand Prix. Now this is as close to a perfect win as possible, but it was a dramatic end to this race. Yeah, the reason that this is number one is I try and be, I've said this before, I try and be objective when I'm picking my doing the list. But number one, it's so difficult to do it without laying a little bit of emotion and subjectivity to get into it. And this is poignant for a number of reasons, you know, it's after Pedro Riga's has been killed. See if it's become team leader, it's also obviously you wouldn't know that didn't know the time, but it was last win in anything because he was killed at brands a couple of months later. And also I like the fact that there's a lot of the races we've talked about, he was sideways and really charging. This is one of those races where you feel like maybe he was actually on that next level where he was just in control of the whole weekend, which is the way that the real great is the top people, the stuarts, the hamiltons, the shoemakers. When they're absolutely on top of their game, it looks easy, even though it isn't. And so I thought the combination of reasons I put this one here. So you put it on pole and he then hit him and Jackie Stewart just cleared off at the start. You know, Stuart was the guy in 1978 he won the chance easily. And if it was leading him and Stuart struggled more and more to keep as he struggled with tyre, I think it was a tire issue. And he waved Frances his teammate through. He couldn't ever go either. So it's one of these things a little bit reminiscent of 61 Monaco where the Ferrari was just swapping order to try and go after the moss. It makes in a difference and fun enough shortly after severe went into seconds, if it banged in a new light record that was three quarters a second faster than anyone else had managed for the whole race. So as if to say, yeah, I don't care what you're doing behind me. I'm gone, japs. And when both deals hit trouble, so if it was left with almost a half minute lead. So he's absolutely got it nailed. Home and dry and then just for an extra bit of drama as you say, what wasn't particularly unusually in those days is that he started suffering from a slow puncture and people didn't know what the problem was to start with. They were watching. But Fittipaldi in the second place lotus was getting closer and closer and closer. But see if it just held his nerve, didn't do anything to paced himself. Did what he needed to do and still crossed the line before seconds in hand over Fittipaldi. So Patrick and Ali, who's the F one report in those days reckoned it was if it's best ever race. It was his last one, he was in complete control and he dealt with hardship at the end. So for me, it was just enough just enough to push it to number one, but I think Mexico 68 or Austria 71 could have could have been number one really. I think it's a worthy choice. It's a great top ten. And I have so few questions that I think it's worth discussing just a bit about a bit about jar in that. Do you think maybe he doesn't quite get the credit that he deserves? Yeah, that's probably true. That's probably true. And partly because it's long enough ago now, you know, there's more time passes and fewer people saw these guys these drives in action. Obviously the big name is always going to get remembered. You know, you know the benchmark drives of each year of Fangio moss clerks loud across center schema. You know, they come to they come to mind very easily. But then there were a lot of good drivers who were almost as good as some of these guys at various points during their careers. And see if it really had to work hard for his, you know? His statistics very much like Rodriguez actually. Although they've got different backgrounds, I see them in a similar, a similar way really that they're records do not do them justice. I think Pedro is probably a little bit better. I think when he was killed, he was up there, and we said in the Rodriguez podcast, I think he was after jochen was killed and in 71, I think Pedro was as good as anyone except Jackie Stewart, I think he'd have been up there with Jacky ickx. As the kind of next year line, I think if it was just behind that, but I think it would have been interesting to see how his career would have gone in the year or two afterwards because I get the impression that if it was a better driver when he wasn't in a direct competition with Rodriguez. Now you might say that's a mental weakness. There may be a mental block with him. But the fact is that that mental block was no longer there by the end of 71. So yeah, he probably doesn't get the credit he deserves other than with sort of aficionados of the time. But certainly you speak to the other drivers, you aspect to Brian Redmond, Jackie Oliver, Tony, South Gate, the design of the BRM. Yeah, they all rated him. They said he was very, very good. He wasn't a technical driver. He wasn't a great development driver, the same as Rodriguez..
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Really thought that was a little bit like in the Rodriguez list we did, up at the following years months a thousand kilometers long because he single handedly beat a three car for our team. It was quite a specifics equivalent, I think. And do you feel like you obviously mentioned there? Do you feel like the Ferrari just literally crumbled under if it's pressure? That was the telling factor in the race. Were they to be fair, they didn't have as many. They didn't have as many cars at most of the races, and they didn't have as many. They weren't out as many races. So they probably were always going to have a bit of a few teething problems, but I mean, they had tire trouble, which you could probably manage. If you weren't having to drive flat out, they also had oil pressure, problems. I mean, that might just have been one of those things that was always going to happen. So it's a bit difficult to say with cools there problems, but I think, you know, you're always more likely to find the problems if you're driving flat out on you. So and I just don't think they would have had to invest of course the Ferrari would have fought each other. I would suspect that Mario Andretti would have been sensible enough not to get drawn into something like that if it was just him in Petro at the front. So yeah, I think you'd have to say, see if it was a contributing factor to their Ferraris failure. We move on to formula two for the next race, which is number 8. And this one, I genuinely would have loved to have seen this right. A 1970 room GP F two race where the 8 cars, the top 8 were several by 2.4 seconds at the finish. I must have been epic, which I agree with you. That would definitely be a race to go back to and watch wouldn't it? Yeah. He didn't have many successes in F two. But that one was, yeah, so the 8 cars that flashed across the line, the 7 behind him were clay record zone, Emerson Fittipaldi, Jacky ickx, who was his teammate for that weekend. Tim shank and Ronnie Pete and Derek bell and Jack Brabham. Well, I mean, they're all names, right? And they're all within 2.4 seconds and he was at the front. And yeah, so it was one of these things where there were two heats. And then a final and he put himself on the front row after it after his heat. But reggaeton is techno actually won the faster heat. And so he was on pole. And there was a great coat actually from Justine howler who did the all sport report. He said, with the sole exception of Jackie Stewart, who wasn't there, rarely have 18, such potent car driver combinations have been seen at any form of racing. And there were I added up the numbers. The drivers in that of those 18, they would go on to rack up 72 world championship F one wins and 6 world titles. And that doesn't include people like Graham hill, who didn't make the final. So I mean, in terms of quality entry, it doesn't get much better than that. And yeah, he had him and Ronnie Peter who would go on to become the king of F two really. They were always at the front of the pack and Ronnie grabbed the lead and went on to last up in the lead. But then there's the hairpin where a lot of the moves were happening, and he just went in too deep. It was obviously one of those I've got to stay ahead and he just went in too hot. See if it got through into the lead and then held off reg it's only by .1 of a second on the line with Fittipaldi a massive extra .1 of the second further back. So I guess the only reason it's perhaps not higher on this list is think the streamline BMW is probably a good car to have round rule. Obviously, it did ra and Ronnie making the mistake with those slipstreaming battles. It can be a little bit down to lock as to where you are, though. It's funny how the same people tend to be at the front normally, but yeah, I just thought it was a sensational race. As you saw, I would love to have gone back and seen. Absolutely. I mean, I'm sort of hard to think of another occasion where you'd have that many names so close. Like, it's just mad. Yeah, it's brilliant, isn't it? There have been some Kevin wood who's the unsung star of the multiple images and they send the photos over. He unfortunately wasn't able to find a photo of the actual finish, but he did find some fantastic pictures of them at the hairpin and coming down down towards the heparin. It's just a massive cars. And of course, all different chases as well, different chases, different different engines, different drivers. And also, I mean, how often would there have been a Swiss drivers one, too? In an international motor race. Just a race that I wasn't really aware of when I started doing the research, but the more I looked into it, thought this has got to be on the list somewhere. Absolutely. Well, another research, there because that is a phenomenal entry. Number 7, 1969 Dutch Grand Prix zandvoort. Now, this is a classic case of a charge in drive from Joe. Yeah, it's qualified ten system of the car just never really worked particularly well in practice, but then in the race, obviously they got it. They got it nailed. Yeah, so he started tenth. It was not at the end of the first lap. He was 7th lap later. And then he caught Chris Amon's Ferrari the McLaren's of Denny hammer Bruce McLaren. And he went past all three of them very, very rapidly. The other sport report said he outmaneuvered home in a heart stopping moment. So again, that's probably would have been something nice. Didn't find footage of that, but I'm sure that would have been good to watch. And he was that pretty much a fourth. Very close to Graham hill in the works lotus because of seeds in the rob walker car. And he found a way past here as well. So he got from tenth to third. And the two guys ahead of him were, I think, probably at that time the two best drivers in the world who had Jackie Stewart and jochen, rinse worked lotus filed him as he did a lot in 1969. And Stuart was left to win with sifford second. So, you know, head of basically all the factory cars except just accept Stewart's actually put him up to third in the drivers table at that point as well. So yeah, one of the best underdog sort of combined the underdog with charging through the field. So I thought that had to deserve to place as well. Exactly. I completely agree. Well worthy of the place in the top ten. And we'll move to swiftly on to number 6, which is in a race. I'll be honest. I know there are come across in my time, but I had to go and check the pronunciation just to make sure that I got it right. But the Syracuse Grand Prix. Now, tell us a bit about this because he didn't actually finish this rice, but it's made it to number 6. Yes, and it's in the same Brabham BRM that he driven in other non sanctioned races, including the Mediterranean Grand Prix where we were talking about earlier. The reason this is higher, one is much more of a driver circuit. It's not just a flat out blast. It was a really challenging circuit where Tony Brooks famously won to the first British car driver win in a Grand Prix a non chatty comprising before the Second World War so it was a proper track 3.4.
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Positive force for the team for the mechanics. Also someone just gelled with with father. It was more than a working relationship. Ernie was a special friendship In the top twenty five was utterly dominant. But but jimmy's teammates Able Didn't win a rice grown pre Jimmy was was a vital element echo. Nice bite spicer. Dr zan construct his championship. It was a drop scores row really needed. The one car so provided in the gym was delivering and getting those winds which he did in nineteen sixty. Three and sixty five. You would win both championships. you've probably would need a slightly different approach now. Our guest but certainly very successful. I'm interested obviously loads. Went onto win the champ shit. Obviously crime here. We're not sixty eight. Your can ruin emerson. Fittipaldi mario andretti. Who d- think any of those are. The drivers got close to being being having that relationship with calling on how you can win in in sort of didn't see our to all and everything was quite combative sort of relationship if successful. But do you think any other jobs. Props got into the call. 'cause i it were. Both dance tells a nice story. Watkins glen nineteen sixty eight. When mario was in the forty nine for the first time will set fast time at watkins. Glen and Mayor said to call in heard him say colin. Just tell me when you want me to put her on pole. He promptly did that and After father set to bulb Jimmy back again. Babies euphoric when he said it. Of course in coastal academic but I think. I think mary was a significant figure. Particularly when it came to ground effects because that was that was quite a technical imperial Wasn't quite straightforward as slapping onslaught posts in going out to win not really didn't need kudlow development unsophisticated development rich. Mary platinum an important palton. Dodson had a had a really Strong relationship as well as having two.
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"Welcome to the latest autosport podcast where we will be looking at the lack of call roitman. I'm mark is simmons. Sierras export magazine. And i'm delighted to welcome to guests. The first is a man who was a formula one. Contemporary roy cements. I'm he's still very active today as a commentator of gt well china to europe so he's come from racing against the fittipaldi brothers raving about the plan soul brothers and just a few days ago. It was reunited with formula one penske for in which he won the nineteen seventy six australian grand prix at the goodwood festival of speed. I'm of course talking about john watson. Welcome john offers looking forward to long child about roy. Was it a good experience at goodwin getting back in that penske. Let me just say it was like an old girlfriend. Sometimes you go to work your way around the final runs on sunday. I felt more comfortable uncertainty. Google is a hill that you have to respect the pc four sakazume by doug mock foot and it's very much bearing in mind. It's not a factor penske. It's a privately-owned ca so respect. The car respect the hill. Look after yourself as well and and he didn't have a bid to shave off this time after getting out of it the beginning three gross because row jurors staff. I was mindful of the fact that he likes all drivers to be relatively. I would say clean cups. Clean-shaven whatever so When it was appropriate look tackling trip. I second guess is a veteran. Argentinian journalist and the country's old spoke correspondent for probably more years and caster memberships. And by happy coincidence. He's lived with his family for the past thirty four years in a village where cost rights in the nineties car racing day so a man who despite his name is not related to john. It's tony watson. yes thank you first place for for us. Give me any biting me to be with you this morning. Very touching talking of carlos who had been quite a lot of contacts mostly by telephone these last years and we had always spoken of when he retired in politics that he would come up here and we will do some lapping of the second in which he needed to do but we might do meet up there in having some day and be duck now but it won't happen now just to start with a rayleigh. I'm just talking about collins's career in argentina before he came to europe which started in nineteen sixty five and in europe messed of the drivers would start racing in atp production by call a mini or in john's skies in austin haley sprite and then move into single season and perhaps make their name naming formula three. But what was it. Like for a young argentinian drive at com nineteen sixty five and getting racing but he was about the is old at the time. He didn't to go racing with but two brothers in his native center fee. He was born about seventy miles from the actual city of center for their group to feared Fifteen hundred the decorative wasn't there was another candidate ultra vying for that drive. So the brothers decided on a shootout between these two hopefuls on the hidden and these payrolls of where i live here in la gomera which is about three hundred miles west of santa fe fortunately got to live and he made his Racing debut on mesa yes nineteen sixty five the year that you pointed out marcus on those same all roads on a second. That has got to be known. As the aren't dying not agreeing. Debbie was not too much of a success because some Experimental collecting rods didn't cooperate that day and he only lasted about two or three miles in the race. But things got better for him. It was a month later. Close to culminate in another touring car event. He absolutely clobbered all the opposition with the now more reliable fifteen hundred from then on well he just took off and it was still. It was touring car racing. Wasn't it up. Until am the temperature series at the end of nineteen sixty eight which i think was a single season debut. What was what was the impression he was making up. Until then the broncos also had in the workshop and all ditto mashal formula three shashi. Better not ask me high. Got them so they plunk a one point five rita field into it and you say they entered the car in this country's blue ribbon Five hundred miles of the famous fogel. He was racing games. Be most with engines or front engine. That were about three times. The size will be little and notwithstanding that comments made it to. I think fiscal six place just showed a four hours racing so he was already attracted you can see to single seatings and he admits to have read People like poor freyer and bureau taros. We woke up so a technical about the way he went racing. So you have a good basis now. That was very much. The cost roitman style. Wasn't it john when when he when he was in full array very technical in studious about about the whole aspect of it. Well i i. I think that carlos would be actually nineteen seven david. They automobiles dodger. Tina entered two formula two problems painted white with yellow stripes. Colors royce colors roitman managed by a i would say small-statured hector now don't know to tuna. You might know a second name. Hector would hector. Stop little hector stuff smoulders statue but big personality and character and So that's when i first met carlos and then obviously he started formula one seventy two and he had pulled position for the argentine grand prix. Which i think sort of.
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"How will you feeling how are you doing. Great amazing who good to know. If it's first subject to show the youtube smash hit subscribing the causing coming number definitely isn't fittipaldi five our view and share who hope to get the show a far far way off of of how i how am i am i am. I'm feeling good feeling strong. I'm getting stronger feeling a little bit weeks and times when you take the day off and you go back to jim. Inducements will weight training. It always feels like a historian from zero for some reason. It really shouldn't don't get me wrong but he just. Does you just kind of trying to get some level of force and a shrimp and kind of endurance back in your muscles and if it was like you taking a week off if not days that can kind of be a little bit annoying and quite humbling and i guess. Because i've had some injuries had too many both had a couple especially when it comes tweaking muscles in my back and whatnot from the bracing properly. I just know what that pain is like until when ago again some with trying to take my time and make sure my for my form. My form is absolutely perfect. I'm not doing anything really created to myself because there's one thing get an impact injury that's perfectly fine. That's what kind of makes me understand. Why but sometimes you have. Injuries are non impact injuries and they struggled to come back again. It kinda makes more sense because an impact injury. Basically somebody running into you right. Oh you kind of hitting something makes complete sense. But you can't just sprinting self with stretching for the bull kind of moving an arm somewhere doing some of kind of routine some workout and then kind of tearing a muscle or straining something breaking something that soar psychologically guest imprinted in your head. It should and what it does is it makes. You may be apprehensive to try to lift heavy things because you don't want anybody to go pop again but it also can have the ever factors positive way makes you money..
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"fittipaldi" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"What kind of help these cars work. Well, so Joseph New Garden slips all the way back to the 19 position. Nick Yeomin and so some of the momentum he had started to glean back after the disaster it barber. Maybe is starting T trickle away just a little bit and we go back to Green flag racing. And Scott Dixon Grant gets a great start. But Alex below not so much below lost about six car lengths to Scott Dixon and Cold heard it was the one on the charge Further back. Mark. Tony Kanaan gets around, Rina speak a move him up his spot. Scott Dixon or roars down the back straightaway. The battle, though, is for seconds. Alexander Rossi getting a little racy. He wanted to see Cup of Jack Harvey. But Jack Harvey was not having any of it. But as Nick set that's battle on the race track now the battle for second It's Alex Pelo is trying to run away and hide from Colton hurting. He stretched it out to a couple of car legs. Now with the turnover, why, and to turn one into Scott Dixon's advantage. Eight or nine Car Legs award, get sacked on his horse and starts the bull. A bit of a gap on Colton heard a call it three or four car lengths further back, though, Mark, they're still slugging it out throughout the field, a couple of different drivers going at it, including Pietro Fittipaldi. He's mixed up in a pact with that Jones. It's Jones, Fittipaldi and Felix Rosenquist that the battle for the night position at Jones is gonna be able to step away from that, with a little bit willpower to try to catch back up for that back, will currently running in the 12th position, while Back up front already A 9/10 of a second leave for Scott Dixon. Yeah, it was a perfect restart for Scott Dixon is he saw that green flag, of course, is the leader. He could control the start. But Mark, he left his teammate Alex below, really sleeping at the line below, though kind of gather back up there turns two and three year threw down the back straightaway marquees counted about 10 Carlin. Willpower had up stacked up behind him off the turnover for power, currently running in a third, beat her 13th position. Lot of award. Simon Passion zero G. Ray home all trying to work their way around it, but couldn't quite do it yet. It's a matter of fact award almost got him into turn number three power. Move down all the way down the inside down the back straightaway to kind of hold that line. Pato Award had a strong charge. Now the back straightaway couldn't make it work. And now mark you left to gather it back up Pato Award and Simon Passion Oh, both chasing after willpower. That's the battle for 13 Keep it. I'll Joseph New Garden after the restart that penalty forced him to the rear of the field, and Joseph's not been able to gain any measurable benefit to try to get a spotter to back. Meanwhile, Scott McLaughlin working on Alexander Rossi Rossi trying to catch up to Jack Harvey, that battle works his way down the back straightaway. So I've been doing a great job running in that six position trying to catch Alexander Rossi about a four car like this advantage. Then McLachlan's got one of the best in the business. Tony Kanaan through turns three and four, could not about five car legs back of the rookie at its herd for to show you how Lady Luck could smile, a party of Davey Hamilton. We looked at guys like Kanaan and VK, and he has got the Laughlin and Alexander Rossi. We thought, How would those guys get into contention in ball? Itwas was a for some an ill time yellow. But for guys like them, the yellow could have come at a better time. That's exactly right. How about if I told you right now the highest running Pitesti car would be the rookie McLachlan running in that in that fifth position right now, during that six position right now, and the rest of pissing guys or the bad kind of struggling Simon passion all he's in port power. 14 national 50 not what we normally see guys. Obviously new guard went back that 18 spot. After the penalty, but great great run by McLachlan right now, and he's all over us. I mean, Rossi, Harvey looks like he might be holding that that line up just a little bit. Meanwhile, 1st and 2nd place they flat out. Check out on Colton heard And then from Colton back every about 20 cars lined up nose to tell. I tell you, I continue to be oppressed by Piatco Fittipaldi. Davey. I mean, these kids got a handful of start to the NTT IndyCar series. He comes to a place like this, which is really totally out of his comfort zone. First time he's been back in an Indy car in quite a while in a competitive situation, And yet he's got that 51 machine running right around the tip position tonight. How impressive is that? You're right. That's a great run for him, And he said he'd done it with confidence. You you watch him go around here and it looks like he's been in many, many races right now is Erickson gets will run on him coming off. Turn two trying to get anything done that back straightaway was seeping. Make best. No fit. Apology still keeps it going down into turn three. So 81 lapse complete the last year into Karen made a pledge to support diversity and inclusivity through the throughout the paddock in each of our defense to get it update on some of those initiatives that let's check in now with Katie Kyle. She's with a member of the IndyCar community who was on track with diversity. Rolando Coronado moved.