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"Oh Well, that would be another cool game flashback to Is like at 60% and it sucks because if you guys have flashback was like one of the best games I mean it was phenomenal. I've never heard of it. Really. Yeah, it's such a good game I think I was thinking operation flashpoint because I'm doing Arman stuff, but yeah Yeah, flashpoint or Yes, flashback one is great flashback to unfortunately failed utterly just sucks And what is the name of the cannibal cannibalism game that is? Quasimorph you need something sharp to be able to amputate your own legs. So don't forget to pack Remember guys, all right So let's move on to the topic real quick because I do want to talk about the weirdness that's happened the last two weeks So remnant one and two day before yesterday or yesterday morning, I guess maybe right popped on Game pass without any warning. No warning at all. Just showed up Somebody leaked it or didn't leak if they found it told a leaker who then leaked it I tweeted about it that then a little bit later We got the announcement of what games were coming to game pass But if you add in that and you add in beyond good and evil which abs and I talked about Wednesday Which got a noun or got released on accident got to people then they pulled it back then they announced it it feels to me like These guys man. I don't know if they need to I don't know what they need to do I think we talked about training last Wednesday where I was joking the same mistake It was absolutely a mistake the disc or the bit Remnant didn't even announce it the Twitter for remnant was dead for like two and a half hours before anybody mentioned it. No, it was a Something happened some timer went wrong or something. It was weird. It was weird because To understand how big of a deal it is remnant to sold four million copies in like three weeks It's a huge cell. I mean, it's a massive seller So they would have crowed about it many people bought it in the last steam sale, by the way that too Yeah, and it so to see it pop up. I saw it on a webs like a leaker website They were like, whoa, this just popped Nobody said anything then people really ran with the ball and then it was like two or three hours later when finally you started seeing Xbox people say, you know, here's the game pass Here's the games on game pass, but it went live early So it wasn't a leak in the way you would expect it with words. It went live on accident early Like so the date was wrong or the timing was wrong. Hey, I should know about timing I fucked up an embargo or two. So it's like maybe that's what happened in the back. They just went with it They didn't pull it back. They were just Anything Now I saw and then they're just it was like, yep. Here's our game Far cry six and yes, they stuck with it, bro. They were like fuck it dude. We did it. We did it It's out there. We're just gonna keep it up there. Yeah. Yeah It's just these last two weeks. I feel like it's been what we talked about last You know, we were talking about CPR where you go to class to learn the basics again I feel like everybody these companies have to go back and learn the basics of like what is the date? What is the time when do you hit live on some like what is going on in the background where you have an entire remake? Like I'm sure they have like scheduling stuff, right? Like I'm sure they're they they don't like click something and then it pops up It's almost like I'm a part of the team that was doing the game pass thing didn't talk to the other part of the right Because they recently released a DLC which you would think you would try to coordinate things so that I would you have to try Yeah, you have the biggest, you know, like pop So you could say, you know, boom the DLC is out. It's now available in game pass, right? You kind of make a big thing out of it. Yeah, and instead it was kind of like trickling Things here and there. What do you guys think in chat? you know guys I we're not gonna go with that it's on purpose because Anybody who understands PR knows these are disasters. They want to crow to get the Point of PR that's pretty normal um But do you guys also think maybe it's just because of the game awards and game pass is December and all and it's just all bad Timing I mean because Ubisoft I think it's just a cool. I don't think there's like a I don't think it's a plan, right? No, I don't think I mean Ubisoft and Microsoft aren't on the phone saying you Accidentally launched the bad version of Beyond Good by the way, because it's not the final it had issues. Okay. Yeah, so yeah It's just Did you see the all the Fallout 4? Update scheduling stuff that they've done and leaked into into steam and one of them was called New Vegas, too And there was like a bunch of it and I'm sure yeah one of them for one day they accidentally had the name of the Branch or something they were working on and it was called New Vegas, too but it might be just a code name, but That's a bad code name right Working together, and we knew that was wanted and we weren't doing it. I wouldn't be calling my project New Vegas, too You know obsidian and Bethesda are together under the same management now. Yeah, so yeah, it's possible It's I just feel like with the game awards the PC gamer show Or Black Friday the website gamer show boy scrambling. There's a lot of shit going on people are doing their trailers. Yeah Slices of of gameplay and all that stuff and some someone made a button or something and both those companies I do want to point out I'm doing an interview Here soon with a composer and a couple other people and maybe one or two devs Well, it won't maybe one or be an interview separate, but most will be on the podcast But when I was asking they were saying they're really stressed from 2023 getting their games out DLC support steam You know reviews making sure they're on top of everything then you have the game awards Then you have these other separate awards golden joystick and all that then you have like the end of this year then you have to look at everybody else's schedule and One of the developers was stating that they were looking at like game awards and and you know to try to get an announcement Let's say the game awards how much money and time it costs to separate a trailer get it in the game awards You know get there's a lot of stress. I think for a lot of those guys. So yeah, they just made a mistake multiple mistakes multiple because I have a feeling Microsoft would have liked to have announced beyond good and evil and Ubisoft during the game awards. I'm just guessing but if it were me, I think that's a pretty big deal. Do you think remnants is that early? No, no beyond good and evil remnant is Related to the game pass that I'm sure they didn't want but that was the same day like a I think three hours or whatever But yeah, just very odd man when you look at it. It's just a situation where you can tell people are we all say it's awesome and we love it, but This is why I should replace humans man AI wouldn't make that mistake For example, I was talking about operation flashpoint and instead I really meant flashback and I think that it's pretty easy for like people developers when they're stressed to you know Make those mistakes with a date or a time. I got a Embargo for a game. I can't talk about which is weird but it's for a review I'm doing and They change their embargo at least three times Just and they weren't by a large amount of time. It's just like, you know change here change here change here So yeah little stuff, but the reason you look is cuz I don't know if hey, I wouldn't make that mistake, but they Might well, it might invent or hallucinate a game that does not exactly what was in my brain was what if they hallucinate a time? Yeah Flash book they make their own. Yeah. Yeah Carrick was talking about the podcast. It must be real I was gonna bring up that there have been times where devs released the wrong executable on release day Yeah, you know, you're right. You're right, you know or like an older version or a prior version of the game and stuff like that So, you know a lot of these fuck-ups They can't just be attributed to human error and like someone fucked up, you know Yeah, someone had the task and they did it. They didn't do a good job. Yeah Let's see Looking at some of these sounds like at that point the game would oh, oh, that was a joke about the game How does he was talking about thought he was talking about operation flashpoint? I was cane That was just my brain IGN gave flashback to a to for what it's worth. Whoo Wow That I do from IGN is like, oh, yeah. I saw those I was like, what the hell? I haven't seen it too. And so that was that game. Damn. Damn day, um mega Zack $20 Canadian super chat, which I believe is even more than that. Well, maybe not anymore than us No, I'm not really active in discord, but I love the podcast. Have a good weekend lads. Thank you very much You should be active in this court though. It's a great place Nor with a knock 50 question if you had a game that had something that restricted the player like a Train-and-last-train or this war or this war of mine. What would you choose? So if you had a game that had something that restricted a player, so I think him I Don't know what he means. Uh Or this war of mine I think he means if there was a thing in the game like a base restricts you from doing things at certain times Or maybe daytime is dangerous. Like I am legend Oh, I'd love to be like a maiden in a in a fantasy or a medieval setting like a woman and And like the world restricts me from doing anything other than like cooking and cleaning and stuff and then you sneak out at night And do other shit Yeah, and I have to sneak it out and but like I'm the real hero not my husband My husband's is a pussy, but he's like a soldier and then he'd go and he'd pretend to like kill monsters and stuff But I'd be there hiding and stuff and like shooting darts or bows or arrows That would be awesome and like I kill everything and then he gets all the reward for it And then he's like the man and I have to do whatever he tells me to and I have to go back and like churn butter And shit, this seems like a very triggering game for a lot of people. That'd be triggering you could do that I mean it would be everything's you know, like there's something that's always gonna trigger somebody whether it be real or not But you could actually do that called like the hidden hero cuz she'd be like And I didn't make both sides up because cuz for one side like oh it would be like Oh, the woman's cooking cleaning here. The other side would be like, oh my god, like she's she's she's the badass Pussy yeah, yeah So restrictive stuff, that would be cool. I would also love a game where so do you guys remember? Not chronicles a Riddick the third Riddick movie I Think I can't remember its subtitle, but they had a planet where as The Sun went around it burned the hope it burned the one side and not the other side of the planet I think that would be pretty cool. You have to make like quick trips to the hot side, but then the cool side You know, maybe you have to take care of other survival elements. That would be that would be very fun to see You know, what's cool about that. I'm reading this book from Brandon Sanderson where there's a similar mechanic In the planet where the Sun just burns where it's at But what's cool is, you know There's this thing with shadows that they grow longer and longer as the Sun goes down, right, right But there's kind of like a point where so if the Sun is going up Let's say the shadows begin very long and then they like short tighten up yeah, so it would be kind of a cool thing of like a dynamic shadow giving you the Safe area. Yeah, I think it would be I think you could definitely do that You could also do one with let's say a big moon that moves the water the tides even more even though technically that's not Exactly true for how ours works, but it would be awesome to see those kind of things. Oh, yeah It's the bulge of the yeah There's other things that affect it that we you know Just because it's easier to explain it to a kid is one thing It's actually like multiple things that affect it It's still I think that would just be really exciting to see a world where you were restricted Well, we've seen it in games and fallen Lords did the other world right the Umbra Yeah, um or whatever it was called in that one. So they've already sort of got it I think a Dark Souls game like that or a survival game. That was really difficult during certain times You know very particular times was super difficult would be fun. I actually do it I love the way the all the I don't know if you'd call it restrictions as much as like Pressure on you like a lot of pressure I guess there are restrictions but the way atomic heart did it really intrigued me a lot of people There's a lot of people that didn't like that aspect But like it was very very like it was like fuck you You know what? I mean like a camera sees you or whatever and like robots are like yeah I'm right to Kingdom come and you're you gotta run hide do whatever if you have ammo you gotta fight like it's it's very Oppressive very impressive. That's right word. It was very oppressive and I love that shit My favorite part I like that game hush out ghoul $5 super chat Australia rated Hellblade 2 south of midnight and clockwork revolution From your experience. How close is it to release? That was done for trailers at the game awards Almost almost a hundred percent for one of those So what they do is they still have to get the trailer rated whatever rating they want to do for those and I saw Fargo's interview about clockwork revolution and he certainly didn't make it sound like it was near so no It I would assume what we're gonna see as trailers it if those are Like what if those what if they shadow dropped Hellblade or something like that would be phenomenal. They're like, oh, yeah Hell blades coming, but I don't think I don't think that'll happen Jimmy 5404 says you guys check out the day before gonna be interesting to say the least So what do you guys so what do we think about it? Is it real? Is it not real? Is it a thing? It's a facade It's no it's just gonna be like one of those I feel like this is my bones are telling me that it's gonna be one of those like In 20 2013 game that was like there was like a million of them on Steam and and they were all Daisy clones, right? We're just trash and I feel like it's just or it's gonna be the best Daisy clone ever made better than Daisy Yeah, I don't know man. Some of the graphics with the cars and stuff looked really awesome in it I got sure kind of excited but like graphics aside Yeah, you know, yeah for sure. Yeah, I mean, I think that Graphics help we talked about it looks are a thing But then you do get those companies where they find that perfect screenshot or find that perfect trailer that's cut in a perfect way Instagram Instagram filter of trailers. Yeah, and then you start playing it. You're like wow, you know You know what they did and this happened big with the 360 I know that Abzi and I did a lot of 360 I can't remember if Johnny did but with the 360 there was a number of games as we joke that were like the brown Simulators they all came out with a particular color But they were all there was a lot of these trailers that made it look like something and then once you played it They made it look like gears and they made it look like this or they made it look like that And then when you played it you were like, yes, you know, they cut that trailer Yeah, I feel like graphics on its own can never save a game for me no matter how good it looks if it if it's Not fun. I'm just not gonna play it No matter if it's it's a shit story with bad gameplay graphics won't ever save it for me But I love graph. I love good graphics at the same time It's just not a thing that would like save something, you know save again graphics I don't think can ever save a terrible thing. But what they can do is make people overlook problems so if the game Got some fun stuff, but it's got a lot of bad stuff if the games look the graphics look good You can catch yourself going man. This is pretty, you know. Yeah, this is not fun Especially if the interaction with the graphic like the animations work properly Like it seems polished. Yeah that you can overlook a lot. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like when you were growing up I mean we all had this I think everybody in chats had this but you have like a friend who may be Married to you know, she might be married to a dick, but you see him and you know why she is You know, he's like a good-looking dude and you're like, yeah, but he's pretty he's a dick, you know But yeah some things you look over not all things agreed I mean, I think if you're looking over all things then it's sort of just a screenshot simulator that you're taking Yeah for that you're playing but it happens often too that you know Maybe the the multiplayer aspect has a unique thing to it that people just love like we were talking about lethal company Is it yeah lethal company? Yeah, it's absolutely true where that game Unique or it has like something cool. That's clearly 70s thing right or like yes TV or something. It's doing something interesting and people are not Overlooking, but they are you know coping with some of the rough. Yes. Yeah I mean when I played it Johnny didn't even have a settings menu It's like I've been watching a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, then you go in and you start playing and I mean Makes it funnier though, you know It just makes it really funny and when like there's like a stupid-looking spider like killing someone stupidly in front of you Yeah, what? That kind of stuff I would be okay with what I was talking about was the actual visual anomalies that you can normally turn off Like arboration stuff and when you can't oh gotcha Yeah, I can't or you can't turn off a screen effect that turns your screen red or something in a game You're like, oh man, I wish you know vignette where people want to turn that on or off That's less bothersome to me. But yeah, there was it was weird to go into a game and see no settings I mean I kept I mean maybe I missed it and there was but I was looking for buttons going I think I'm just playing this like I don't think and I was PC which Seems to be a pretty ballsy way to do it Jay Reaper $10 super chat might have missed it. But do you guys think Xbox is gonna show? But what do you think Xbox is going to show from the Game of the Year Awards? Yeah, we'll talk about the Game of the Year Awards in just a second It won't I mean it probably just won't be Xbox that that shows new stuff But we'll talk I think a big question is what would Nintendo and Sony show? Because I think I've even seen some people who are really pro Sony Questioning like what Sony's got what what are we gonna see from Sony and I have some guesses guesses, by the way Not guesses. I would even call them hopes We'll just call them hopes. I have some hopes Brandon Martin $2 super chat. Did you see the new Mad Max trailer? Yeah, that thing was a CGI fest Man, did you guys see that the movie? I did movie. Damn. I think through it It was it has it's a different look from the first one. It's just so fly Yeah, so flat, but I I like the look of it I admit but I'm also really partial to that actress from From the chess TV show or Queen's Gambit Queen's Gambit. Yeah, Jay King King's Gambit would be a really bad chance. Yeah, I'm really bad. Just try to do by the way, it'd be There to go to a movie Yeah, and you know, it has Chris Hemsworth too, which I thought that you know, he looked interesting in that too I would be down. I like the You know, I like those movies. So I like the good ones North okay. What's the bad one? Are you really that's the bad like Fury Road at all? That was one of the few movies. I've walked out of but dude Everyone thinks I'm crazy For what you also didn't like Like Fury Road, but everyone was like sucking its dick and I'm like, dude It's it's it's meh and then everyone same with doing those two movies, dude. I get chastised I got like those, you know that gift with the knives around you like your neck. That's how I feel Oh, yeah But what I was gonna say is I what I have noticed with this one is so the original had a lot of real-life locations they filmed in and this one is a lot of blue screen and it was Interesting to note that blue screen still has not replaced real life yet because it was instantly noticeable Which I think is it's a conversation to have it doesn't mean it'll be a bad movie But it is a conversation to have to where the human eye still can't be tricked by everything You can be tricked by some stuff when it's partially in screen you blue screen something out But if it's all blue screened probably gonna have an issue. Yeah, um $20 super chest icing me dude. Look at this How well is avatar gonna sell Oh Pandora, you know, I don't know how it's gonna sell but I'll tell you I've seen a lot of people Opening up to this avatar game from Ubisoft and I think It's in a good release spot with not a bunch of other games. It looks good people liked horizon, you know and It's interesting man, I've had a lot of people say I don't like avatar at all But I'm actually interested in playing this game because it looks like it's a AC So I agree right in a fantasy world and I agree to you can fly around in a cool world. All right. Yeah, it's Maybe it's diminishing Expectations because it's not horizon, but I abzi and I talked about this horizon Was a sequel and so there were expectations met, but it's just like spider-man Were you like spider-man one knocked it out of the park and miles did and spider-man 2 is more spider-man this one I think there's a little bit of freshness where people like what powers am I gonna have? Can I can I merge? It's also really hard to judge Because there isn't a lot of hype for the game. You don't write hear people talking about it at all So you might say it's gonna bomb But we've seen the opposite to where it's people hyping up a game and then it comes out Yeah, and it's not that it flops but it kind of comes and goes like Lords of the Fallen You know kind of came and went And the reception was pretty mixed Yeah, I think with this one I haven't I guess my what I was pointing out was that I was surprised I didn't see anybody say Because this is ubisoft. So i'm just gonna be honest That's what I was expecting and I didn't see anybody say this looks like crap or whatever It was actually people saying sure, you know, there was this I don't know how to describe it like a generalization of like, oh But we had that with mirage, right? Some of us loved it So I didn't love it, but I liked it some really didn't like it and then some like abzi played A bunch of it and then we're just done It was I and I don't know if maybe that's where this is going to be where a bunch of people get it because mirage sold apparently very well I can feel it being like a game where um Those those traversal and like puzzles around the world do it do excite me like what i've seen from the previews But it's not going to be a game where i'm going to be like, oh i'm going to play it to finish it It's probably going to be like every other ubisoft game I play a game where I play I have my fun and I stop playing and that's it when because they they usually their games Get repetitive at a certain point where it's just like, okay. I'm just doing this for more hours I'm, just doing this for more hours and then I just do it until i'm done Um having fun. Yeah, so I feel like that's where it's gonna hit. Yeah, me too It's it's gonna be exciting to see because it's also a different ip and if they nail it with let's say I'm, not saying avatar because I don't love avatar. I mean i'll just be yeah who gives a fuck about right, but Let's say this works Those guys would then have three fairly good games based on not their normal ip's blood dragon Primal and this and then I could see them saying Oblivion with tom cruise that like what do we why don't we explore that? Why don't we explore this other world? you know their ip's where i'm like, dude, they might do a pretty good job if they If they sort of you know sat down on an ip that we don't see games for because games Like game stuff and movie stuff used to be a thing and it was never a great thing Yeah, it was always yeah, so I i'm just excited to see but johnny's right man pr wise Guys, man, I just ain't they need somebody needs. I don't know. Maybe it's buying ads right now is too expensive Um because of the game awards and stuff, but I don't see a lot going on with avatar, you know I see previews and stuff, but I don't see Yeah The the push I guess I I would expect to see so Yeah, I i'm the thing i'm looking forward to the most from the from ubisoft in general is the star wars Game and so when I have the most hope for being like its own unique thing outlaw. Yeah, I absolutely agree with that I think that outlaws looks from what i've seen what i've heard from a couple devs who? Didn't work on that but have worked with those team. They say that they've got it pretty much well in hand I love that team too. Yeah, I love that team man. I division one and two. I don't just like I love those games and uh, They're they're really yeah division one or two or fucking level design continue. I'm doing the dlc right now Um, i'm almost done with it and the level that's always something new in these dungeons man always something unique and interesting Division two, uh warlords of new york I'm, almost done with it so I can I want to go back to the to washington and try the new roguelike dungeon Pretty excited. What do you guys think in chat? Are you excited for avatar? Um, yes. No What have you seen? What have you not seen lawn man? Two dollars super chat. What do you guys think? The witcher four will come out. When do you guys think the witcher four will come out 2025? 2025 witcher four wait what the the game? No, not witcher four, sorry witcher one remake, okay, he's talking about witcher four 2027 2026 2026 2026 I would 26 Hmm Witcher 4 I will go with after that. No, we're not making a bet because I already saw people now wanting abzi And I to bet every damn thing. They're like, could you bet on sunrises? But uh because we bet on um, what do we bet on gta? Gta yeah, but it's a stupid bet on my part. I should have taken better odds Or a longer a longer release period or something because I didn't know delays was gonna I thought it was just release date But now that there's like now that I found out that delays are a part of it Well, i'm gonna release days when it comes out. What did you think it was you thought if they announced the delay? Oh, that's weird They show you release like when they say when they say it'll be coming out yeah when they yeah, that's what where I thought But dude, but now that there's delays That sounds like that means it's never Do if they if they announce a release date for like in my period of time Where that bet is not going to get resolved and then until that game is out or until I know surpassed I know that's my plan to stay alive is hope. Okay, the desire i'm gonna be alive right up until that game comes out Yeah, but back to what you're more real quick, I think yeah 2028 minimum if not longer, but that's just because I think they're going to want to worry about cyber punks Not cyber punking us again It's just me guessing. Yeah, so And they switched right they switched technologies here only in the last five. Yeah only in the last like two year and a half two Years. Yeah, they still don't have a game on that. Uh, what's your remake? I feel like is going to be the the precursor. It's going to be the testing testing game. Yeah Such an odd title to remake because I don't remember i'm gonna be honest man I don't remember nothing about witcher one. I played it recently dude. It's it's uh, pretty janky, right? Bro, it's that's an understatement I listen I uh, I was in my phase where I was playing a lot of boomer games And I was like enjoying jank and shit like really weird shit. I was enjoying it in the beginning. I was like, okay This is a very very ultra unique combat system that i'm kind of like, okay I dig the vibe until my first boss fight with a stupid fucking dog. The game is literally a hassle It's like it's like you're playing it and you're in pain. You're like, why am I doing this? Why am I continuing and until I reached a point where it was like, oh fuck you You didn't do all the side quests. So you're just never going to get through that point and I stopped playing Yeah, I can see that when I asked about uh pandora. Yes. Yes. No won't play pandora Yes, a little bit a little bit excited for pandora. Yes, i'm a bit excited So it seems like love love the avatar world. Can't wait to explore it myself in the game That's still more positive. I'm just gonna be honest, man That's more positive than I expected an avatar game to even get as a reception in the chat I just I don't know man. Maybe it's just maybe i'm down on avatar I I don't think I am you should be I mean Completely fair that you're down on avatar like no one should be up about avatar But um, you know, seriously the preview sold me on it yeah, yeah, they're they've done some good jobs with showing I just If you're gonna push a game quality give it a chance to succeed by telling people about it Yeah, like that and ubisoft's number one thing is world building always I feel like it's almost consistent that the world building is great and uh for for a game like that with with what I saw like the stuff I saw the Level design within the open world itself like the overworld and the how you move between things I feel like traversal is just going to be a blast man And it's really set itself apart from far cry which is for the most part very flat So yeah, no that's there's in fact i'm going to ask them a question and then I want to talk about that So everybody in chat, what's your favorite? I if you don't like ubisoft games is fine But if you do like ubisoft games, what's your favorite world in a ubisoft game? It can be as far back as the very first um You are right dude far cry is even primal primal had some climbs some cliff faces far cry 5 has some but they are not even their most vertical spots aren't You know, they they're they just don't have a just cause feel obviously. I mean that's sort of crazy I don't think we could expect that but even with their airplanes or if you guys jumped in a helicopter in far cry 5 And you go to the height it can go it feels like you're 50 feet off the ground It's weird you just it doesn't what games are you far cry 5 The one in montana it well any game with the hell any of the far cry games with a helicopter It just doesn't feel like you're up, you know, it doesn't feel like the verticality is really there Yeah, and they even had the climbing or the right now. Yeah, they did they make you feel like you were climbing climbing But it just it was always like small stretch, you know Never felt high you would repel from like the highest point and it still felt like it was a little A little hill. Yeah, do you guys what you guys you know what game had really great verticality was uh was uh, What the fuck gods and monsters? I hate the other name. I just never say that phoenix rising phoenix rising. Yeah Yeah, oh, what's your guys's favorite ubisoft game world? Like it doesn't even have to be to play in it It just means like maybe the best idea even if it didn't if it didn't probably division one new york new york 100 100 yeah best coolest uh coolest world it was ridiculous how good that was man or how good it is I'm playing it. I don't know why I said how good it's written about when it came out It was just like yeah even dude division two new york. I know there's no snow, but it's more contained than washington But there's so many ups and downs really washington's really the second one secrets and stuff. Yeah, it's very packed It's really dude their level design man. I'm telling you. I liked london a lot. I agree from from syndicate You know as someone who lives in london, right? It was actually really well Created. Yeah, you know, did you feel obviously towards legion johnny because I did actually too. Yeah Yeah, dude in legion. I went To the street I used to live in which is close to the lotus eye the big ferris wheel And the the street was actually quite Close to what it is. That's cool. I didn't I i'd never asked you about that. Yeah, like I went to my house It's obviously, you know different buildings. They didn't recreate the buildings But uh, that was awesome, man um, I would say for me, uh, just world to explore it probably is division one, but I I will say legion Something about legion caught my there was something about legion that I really liked. Um, it had a lot of tech issues, but I really enjoyed watchdogs. One was also pretty cool. Yeah When it comes to true worlds wildlands Is also probably my favorite even though it's not great as a game It had like a cool futuristic version Of london. Yeah. Yeah, it you you know that show we watched. Um with the vr The lady the blonde lady that puts on the vr glass peripheral peripheral. Yeah, they had a kind of a similar Version version of london like futuristic and they had the overlays cleaner Yeah, it was cleaner, but they had like the uh, the overlays on the roads and stuff like that. That looked really cool Yeah, it reminded me of it hush out ghoul two dollar super chat. What about edu tomorrow after avatar? Yeah, exactly edu tomorrow. It's a good one. Oh, it's a good one. Yeah That that's awesome. Um, also like I said the matt damon one elysium They had a really cool version of africa, I believe the one you said from tom cruise oblivion oblivion. Yeah Yeah, those are almost they feel like pulled from a video game in a way They do um looking here a lot of people are saying wildlands so I can it's funny because wildlands was so fun to explore But until they patched it it was blandlands as I said, it just didn't grab me in the gameplay But once they patched it up wildlands world drive tearing around in a suburban with your friends and co-op is But the world itself was cool. Like yeah wildlands world was very cool. It's just I remember Going on a plane and just like uh passing like a big ass mountain into like an open Um kind of area like an open area cool feeling Yeah, it just looked good and I didn't feel the same way about bland or about uh about uh breakpoint breakpoint Just did not no matter where I went in breakpoint. It all looked the same It was a very odd killed me for breakpoint was the motorcycle with the two guys standing every time every five feet You can't tell me somebody didn't do that too. Somebody copy pasted Yeah, that was like when I made an old level in arma where you copy paste, you know, like some buildings The same like three guys or whatever. It's like oh these guys here these guys and even in my review I joked and said whoever gave them the motorbike deal man They they got out well because it's like every motorbike sucks. Like they're all broken down It's the same three guys repair the car handling in those games was just completely garbage. It was pretty trash Gathery's galaxy ten dollar super chat pandora is going to sell just fine with the avatar brand awareness It already exists a release windows perfect and it's right before christmas. Ubisoft knows how to sell things. I would disagree. I would say Do you not remember what they did in 2020? Yeah, they released like three of their own games back. They released three of their own games back to back I would say in fact any company that does not know how to sell their own games Is ubisoft that's personally i'm not saying you're wrong I'm, just saying my experience with ubisoft is is almost the ex Not the exact opposite but i've been let down By ubisoft's release schedule legion came out right after something. We just talked about this right after right after immortals phoenix Immortals phoenix I think came out first and then uh, and then legion and then valhalla And then valhalla or something. Yeah, there was something about it that was like, oh, no No, no gods and monsters was after valhalla. I think was it something like that? It was just how they put everything They they don't bring Like oh for example avatar's brand awareness is good in movies, but it's nothing in games There is no brand awareness for games in avatar. And what bothers me is they haven't They haven't actually captured that they should capture it. They should but they haven't And you're just you're looking at it going like dude, you guys really haven't um done a great job at showing people about I mean, dude, I just mentioned a couple days ago in the discord people didn't even know it was coming out And that i'm talking about it all the time so but I I see where you're coming from but I would personally say that uh, my experience with ubisoft has been pretty much the opposite, um Jay, uh, this is big mackie says i'm sure gods and monsters was close to christmas december. It was december. Yeah Dude, I really like that one inferno says remember mercenaries, too We all do we need to pour out a 40 for the mercenary Mercenaries was the one where you can call in like, uh, like those uh, massive artillery shits, right and use them Oh, man, that was fun as hell. Yeah. Yeah mercenaries one and two were Two less so than one but they were they were phenomenal. They were really enjoyable titles really enjoyable Um moving on from there. Let's look at what we got for news. So so anyway a lot of mistakes Let's talk about the game awards so So What's is there anything you guys expect 100 to be at this game awards Oh, yeah. Yeah, I I strongly believe I I want to say 100 I'll say 99 strongly believe that the elden ring dlc will either get uh A new release date or just a trailer. Yeah Okay and you think that But you think it'll be next year probably for the dlc like first quarter. Uh, yeah, I mean, I mean, there's like a 10 Hope, you know feeling hope that they would shadow drop it, but they wouldn't um, I think it'll be Uh, they'll show we show us the release date for february and february the dlc will be dropped So the reason why I asked is because this morning I think they asked the director of that game um And he stated elden ring shadow of dlc is a little ways off but progressing. Well, he had a games radar Uh, oh if it's a little ways off i'd expect like a longer way for yeah So that's why I wanted to bring it up because I agree with you Originally until this morning when I saw that news article pop and I was like, oh does that mean because you know When they say progressing well progressing doesn't even mean locked down if you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah If if they did they if it's in the last three months or whatever, they'd be like we're in the polishing I feel like they would too right so they would be like sort of champion it But that doesn't mean we won't see a trailer for it, which I think we will. Yeah. Yeah. What about you guys in chat? What are you expecting to see? Uh, you know Just sort of dropping at the game awards. Do you have anything johnny? Do you have anything not hopes but like things that in your brain you're like this would be really weird to not have a trailer for um, yeah, I thought that final fantasy rebirth Would be probably something that pops up. They've already shown The game and you know, it's I think it's advanced enough that they can put together. I don't want to see more man I want to see more of it. Well, I I feel you but I think a lot of people will you know Like it's kind of a big hype. Yeah title for them. It is for sure In a year that sony doesn't have a ton of stuff. I think they might want to lean on some of these Oh, it's a good point. What do you call like third party right? Games. Yeah. Yeah and get some excitement around there. Yeah, I I don't know anything about this training too, but I just feel like oh Is that time it's been long enough? It's turning to probably I think it's like xbox's event too. They have or xbox has worked with him We haven't heard a single word about his work with xbox. So it's like I would expect a kojima thing How about that because it's jeff and kojima It's like the jeff and kojima show you either expect him to come out or expect him to show something from him if that makes sense So, yeah, I just feel like what they do with oh, yeah, they are like thick of thieves right they're always showing up in pictures and Yeah, I what do you guys think we'll see uh something from the dev who did uh, no way out or a way out Uh the guy who did uh, it takes two Yeah, I wonder what he's uh, what he's doing. Maybe he announced he was working on another co-op game another one He did. Yeah, another one of those games are fire man Even the first one that you had to control two people with a controller. Yep. It's fun as hell. What's that? Wait, was that brothers? Yeah, tale of two brothers. Oh, did he do that one? Did he do that one? Okay. Yeah Hmm, uh big mac says foam stars gameplay bloodlines Frostpunk 2 trailer will be there Um, I think the trailer already came out though, didn't it? I thought we saw a trailer at the pc game lines Yeah, we did for frostbunks for frost for frostpunk 2. No, they just talked about it. I think Oh, I don't remember like, uh, did they did they show a trailer? Maybe I didn't watch that game awards I saw people talking about it. Um release date for preg pragmata pragma P-r-a-g-m-a-t-e I mean pregnant is what it I want to see more thaumaturge the thaumaturge trailer Um Yeah, that would be cool too, um, uh, why are you guys talking about xbox like the p stuff is bad He stuff what p I heard people are really happy about it I don't think so Why are you guys talking about xbox? Like the p stuff is bad. What's p stuff? What's p stuff? Elaborate liza p no, we know liza p dude. Liza p is a big surprise for this year I think one of the good ones, you know, like it was a lot of Surprisingly a lot of people's game of the year. Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up I was going on to twitter and I was seeing people say, you know now recency biased excitement for a surprise Notwithstanding sure, but yeah, it's just wild to me because I was very mad about it I was like, this is the most mad thing i've played in a while, but people love it man people love it I'm excited to see it man. I'm excited to see it because it's a side game, right? It's not one way anybody expected for sure for sure good for the dubs, dude It was extremely polished like like really good for the dubs. Yeah Hmm everything, you know, I didn't think about that that you know How sometimes we think a game pass is where maybe you would get something released and it wouldn't be as polished Yeah, you get that on game pass and then you get lords of the fallen which was like Dude, I expected liza p to to feel like that. Uh, what's that one where you play it as like an automaton? Yeah, steel rising or I expected it to be like that jankiness euro thing, but it was just super it was like Yeah, it was very well done. Um, even though they did rip off a lot of salt like they were way more than Than I I would have thought yeah, they did that. I mean, you know It was like straight up just straight up. I mean, obviously they had different Whatever that's like stuff. Yeah, they have some news. Yeah. Yeah influenced by You know fluence dude, you want to call it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah or like they say an homage to Spiritual successor. Yeah, it was definitely from software is dead. Now. We're just carrying the torch, right? Right where and the cool thing about liza p like I said is game pass like something to jump in for you know Whatever. Yeah, that's now I'm, definitely gonna play that play at some point. Maybe if I get into it, I just couldn't get into it at all Yeah, I had difficulty jumping into it as well and I don't and I don't think i'll enjoy it but I It's obviously quality for those people who like it. There's no doubt about it Yeah, it's and that to me is just awesome because again, it's game pass which was surprising. I i'm I don't there's not really a history of saying. Oh, this will be more buggy, but it's like your brain thinks There's a chance and just that thing turned out great I don't know if this is like a bad thing to say But I wish lords of the fallen was the liza p like that polish because that world interests me way more Environment does not interest me. Yeah, dude Wouldn't that be cool to somehow? Well, you don't want to remove the success of liza p but it is right. Sure if of those two Like yeah, if I had to choose danced and if I had to choose one Yeah, lords of the fallen would have been great to see this like Super polished unique world unique. I mean A lot of stuff in lords of the fallen Was really good ideas. It's just yeah. Yeah, and some of it looks really polished It's just that like overall as a package. It's not just sort of falls apart, right? It's like no matter what you're experiencing There's always that little bit of like oh this I wish this didn't happen But that's in fact the biggest surprise for me this year is how much I liked lies of p That was the most fun i've had with a game this year, that's which is weird We've had a year of bangers right like bulgar's gate I had an amazing time, but i've never been You know while it's been honestly like a few years since I was that into a game And very surprising since I didn't like the demo either like it took me a while to get into it and everyone Yeah, everyone didn't like the demo but loved the game. Here's the thing It's just great to see middle market doing so well, like I love right when double-a does well yeah, and and the honest truth to me is that I don't think that I don't think there was much of a difference between the demo and the game that I like It's just that the game was everything and you got to build and you got to do all the stuff And the demo was a bad demo. I I just think you can chalk it up and say i'm sorry guys You did a great job on the game But your demo sucked balls like your demo Obviously had issues and you play the game and a lot of people who didn't like the demo played the game were like, whoa This is it's yeah, they just picked a bad spot maybe for the demo. I don't know What are we gonna say johnny? Did I interrupt you? um Oh just that they have a confirmed dlc coming out for based on so it's like a crossover with characters from the wizard of oz coming into the world of liza p liza p Uh, two dollars super chat six blades. He says remnant 2 deserved more nominations. Um Nominations for what for the game awards? I mean it got action. It was nominated for did it get like multiplayer or something? Yeah, it got those two. I think yeah I think that's pretty good for that game I mean, I I think remnant 2 is in all ways shapes or form better than um the original but I don't The time limit in my brain for whatever reason I was thinking that it came in late or whatever so that's cool that it got some but What action shooter? Um, you wouldn't do story. I don't think I liked it better than spider-man 2 like it could have for me It could have replaced that as a go-to nomination for sure Oh for game the full game of the year for um Yeah, it's a pretty fun game I just liked what they it's just so well-rounded with everything like everything Was just like full ass. Nothing would have was it was half ass. So And yeah, what do you guys think in chat a game that got missed for the uh, you know game of the year for a nomination Or something like that Were there any games that you? Sort of expected to be in the nominations. I admit I don't track it too much I know starfield didn't get any for game of the year, right? I think Would it probably sound soundtrack maybe? Yeah. I mean, yeah The game of the year one made sense to me but did it get a soundtrack because the soundtrack in that the thing about starfield soundtrack is that it's if it's It's like it's a legendary soundtrack, but it's not you won't realize it like the normal like it's just an People won't realize it like they they wouldn't be like, oh look at soak in final fantasy 16 crazy shit Um, but with starfield, it's very in the background. It's viable. Listen closely and see what it's doing dude. And and oh, man. Yeah Everything was just so perfect with with that soundtrack, but it's it's not going to be like, uh, yeah, especially against like something like, uh, obviously ff and like ballers gate three with a very Orchestral and big orchestral thing. Yeah, and with allen wake 2 having literally like Bands, you know creating music for the game. Um, it's just it's not going to be yeah It's not going to be looked at as much. Uh, the one thing here i'm seeing is a lot of people said, uh hogwarts So Did hogwarts get any Nominations nothing it got nothing. It was it was completely not mentioned and I I think it's because of controversy. Yeah Yeah, wait, like that is I I mean that is just the way These things are going to go and it's just so weird because the contribute like the people that do have a problem with it is probably like 0.01 percent of the gaming and like Industry or like 0.001 percent but they want to just steer clear of any of that because any of that has a chance You know pr stuff ads Commercial like just you know, they just don't want any issues that whatsoever Yeah, and some of the people voting I know like togwarts a ton. So, you know, yeah, maybe they put in uh, oh from the voting board But I I I absolutely know some people are not going to want to fight that they're not going to want to fight a larger group There's so much not terror, but there's this There's a testing That goes you know, like you say this you look at your twitter. You see how people respond you say this in your review blah blah blah and then if you're getting a certain feedback, I know a lot of people get really like nervous about it and I They're just not I mean it's right now the power of cancellation. It's a big deal. It's a big deal for a lot of people I mean, it's like I hate people especially if it destroys let's say somebody's income because they like something And then it turns out to just be like oh how dare it opportunities. Yeah Uh, you know love the games two dollar super chat says do you guys think we'll ever get a metal gear solid six? Probably not a good one, but probably not. Yeah, I think metal. Yeah. I don't know man metal gear solid Yeah I don't even want one from konami without right? Well, that's where yeah. Yeah Yeah Like I was thinking like the rumors in the past where that microsoft was looking at trying to get the ip which would make sense Embracer group, you know somebody like that who back in the day Not now not now. Yeah, embrace your group Embrace we're not going to go there today. We're not we we don't have any news So i'm not going to mention baser group today Which I just did soulskeeper 24 super check. Grats found my way to the patron. Thanks for the warm. Welcome this weekend. We're celebrating Sinterlas in the netherlands, uh, please google that a racist version of santa claus any weird celebrations from your own countries Weird celebrations from yeah, abzi. Did we not just i'm not saying you can't answer the question I'm saying did we not just talk on wednesday about like arbor day or national beanie day? Am I going crazy I thought you and I talked about weird that was like five podcasts, but we didn't talk about it, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so like there are some really weird ones here They're you know ones where i'll wake up and find out there's a new, you know Ted's day or nike day and you'll be like why the fuck are we celebrating that? So, yeah halloween mother's day Mother's day. Yeah, I love mother's day, but I you know, I celebrate my mom all the time. She's awesome In spain every day in spain we have kings Like in january we have we celebrate the three kings And it's like a whole week or something Of holidays really of work and it's the three kings that in the past had like yeah I think it's like the christian thing, you know the three kings and it's that three kings. Okay. Yeah, gotcha. Gotcha It's it's uh, it's a bigger thing even than like christmas itself for many people I would say you have santa and all that but yeah, but that that's a bigger one It feels bigger. I I would say for me I always think easter is weird like the idea of a random animal burying eggs in your backyard and when you're a kid Saying around it is pretty weird dude. It's weird. It's like let's color it and I love it by the way like easter I I like celebrations. I'm a huge fan of celebrations. I say bring more of them in, you know I want national bearded and beanie wearing your parents hide like fucking chocolate eggs around the house hide eggs, dude, man We had a big backyard. So my dad and we had moles. Oh, do you know what moles are? They dig through the ground and so like any big rats He would have to go out and grab the mole traps because a kid might put their head in the mole trap Which you'd lose some fingers so he would go out there the weekend prior and him and his friend And they would go out his friend was named roger. He was uh, he was up on the hill They would go out and they would grab every mole trap and they'd pull them out and then they'd wait a week and then They would put all of the eggs out and you would get yeah, you would get eggs. Nobody ever lost their fingers I just want to say it was awesome. Easter was easter's weird. Do you have any um where you are abzi? Or do you did you have any in canada? Did they have like maple syrup day, dude? I don't know but in canada They just celebrated way too much because like every two weeks I hear like fireworks going and i'm like what the fuck is it this time? Yeah Right where at some point you're getting like you're the guy saying like, you know Bah humbug because you're like, come on, man. We don't we don't need to have another damn silver. Yeah, chill out man You you know what it's so funny because as you work more here's what I believe is not true I'm, just saying I feel like as you work more and you go through life experiences There's a time where you start to look on those that where they interrupt your schedule or pattern and now you become the old man Who's like dude, would you just stop celebrate? Can we we need work on friday? Would you guys just show up? Oh, no, man. It's you know, it's t-shirt day. Somebody just said that yesterday was uh, Yesterday there was one here in america and I wasn't even aware of did I already miss that Yesterday was national sandwich day. Hush out ghoul says there you go. We're celebrating sandwiches. Everybody's a hero Well, there's a sandwich so it makes sense. Yeah. Yeah It's very stupid Still not finished with your previous episode a good backlog to have. Yes, it is And I do want to say thank you to everybody who sent me their spotifys to show many hours you guys watched which uh, I just got to say I Wouldn't watch me that much I wouldn't watch us that much. I saw some people posting spotify. It was like 16 000 minutes or whatever and we're doing the math they should They should add every unwatched episode into their steam library so that they couldn't complain about having a massive backlog in their steam library And then and then watch our videos to complete the games in their in their steam list dude. We should offer platinums Oh, no, dude, oh no, dude, we need to offer platinums. I need to figure out a way off I mean platinum platinum in youtube videos Oh, there's no money dude. That's just that killed my soul even thinking about it Watch every ad no, no, no, we're done. We ain't talking about that. Yeah, you like that. Nope Delete it. We're not talking about I hate that idea. It makes me sick to my stomach even thinking about mentioning a platinum So I will have the acg platinum next week. I'm just joking Uh, let's see. What else do we got very different culture in the holidays from where i'm from Uh, I got my spotify wrapped. Yeah again, thank you. Uh death proof says abzi hates a lot of stuff He's just hating what we talk about. I don't think he hates nothing. You guys don't know me. I don't hate nothing He does. I know exactly there he goes. There he goes. That's the best way to trigger abzi And your podcast was my most listened to podcast. Well, thank you very much. We had a good time How would you guys buy watchdogs, oh would you guys buy watchdogs legion or far cry 6 now if anybody says far cry 6 You're on legion. Yeah, legion Right. I didn't even like legion as much as carrick carrick loves it, but I hate but not I don't hate but far cry 6 is so boring dude. It's just so it's just the same shit. I don't know. Nothing. Do you hate it is It's it's like far cry 6 is like the amalgamation of what's wrong with ubisoft all in one game. Do you hate it? You're saying you hate it I dislike it He dislikes it strongly you you did. Okay. I love so many things dude. Death stranding is fucking amazing. Here we go I told you guys it was gonna trigger him to go the opposite way 13 sentinels, I love that game near prey. Um fucking back in this library people. Uh, uh, there we go Yeah, you're paying to got on the wrong side. I'm just saying too. Just saying here we go. Here we go I hate terrible games, dude. Okay Abzi loves to hate Is what oregon said. Oh and we love it is what oregon was nice to add that at the end Yeah, I will I will go so far as to say that. Uh, I haven't hated a game in a long time But you know, I played some terrible ones golems terrible, but I don't hate it. You know hate's a pretty hard word, right? Yeah, the only game I hate is probably the last of us two Um, like other than that because I like the game because the game is good But I hated it because I hated the story like it triggered that reaction from me. Yeah Yeah, but I don't hate like bad games I just I just dislike them unless it's like they did something to piss me off so much like patent something or like make like Microtransactions or like ruined a game. I loved or something, you know um Hush our ghoul $2 super chat abzi. May 4th is star wars day. Do you hate that? Uh, I think he likes star wars Star wars it is in america. I think it's star wars day. I think it might be nationally or I just stopped caring about star wars after everything that came out of that ip was terrible every single time So I was like, oh whatever star wars is no longer relevant intel outlaws comes Until outlaws comes. Yep. No, see that's that's the thing. You just you guys just gotta track the hate man There you go It's so funny too because i'm always known as the hate like when I really hate something I just go wild but That is one of the things I always try to explain is when i'm like dissing on a game It almost never means I hate it, you know, like it just you know Like you just there's stuff that doesn't work you you hate that it didn't work out but true hate is reserved for such a small You know, yeah a portion. It's a very It's a very active emotion when you think about it any bad stuff just leaves you indifferent. It's like Remember that mid game the the a lot of them Perfect name bang on in the middle. Wow, like it left no impression whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah Is there any games, uh in chat that you hate truly hate now don't be oh, I need to know and hang on I need to know in chat. I want to know games you hate and why you hate them They cannot be games that you think are bad because that's a difference. I will say you hate go ahead. I hated callisto protocol There you go I need to time stamp that I don't think i've ever heard you say you hate a game. Yeah, you hate anything Yeah, I use it very sparingly. It's wow. I think maybe I think it's maybe the only game that I like rage quit And never came back to You Johnny yeah John yeah, wow Was it could not really had to have been everything then like it was the the what do you say the um the drop on the camel's back no the The thing that broke the camel the thing that broke the camel's back. Yeah Yeah Was one segment in the game where you had to fight off many people in like close quarters And their system is disastrous Right the moment you don't have a single person. Yeah in front of you Yeah, you have to like dodge to the side it's it's so bad That it was for me like unplayable it I I it made me actively angry Which is very rare. I know what you mean when a game Require whatever they require something or it's a major part and every other part of it that feeds into it is bad And then you can get that hate or I I just never expect I mean I Callisto protocol is not a game that I wouldn't expect some people hate So that's not a surprising game for you to say. I just haven't heard you say that before What were you gonna say abzi? Did I interrupt you? Um, yeah. No, no, I just wanted to like balance the scales There's something we didn't talk about though because I said I hate the last of us, too Um, I am very happy to be proven wrong about the remastered I think they shouldn't have called it a remaster because uh, the remaster part of it is doesn't matter Um, they should have called it like a director's cut or something because it's really cool to see that they're adding all these new additions to the game, uh while also Um, you know what if you if you already own the game, you can pay ten dollars to like get those stuff So it's essentially a dlc what I thought initially was it was just a money grab and they want people to double dip and stuff Like that, so i'm very very happy to be proven wrong and the more power to them. Yeah And I would also say it's weird because uh, I don't know many games I hate but I certainly can tell you Something along the lines of monetization that's terrible in a game for sure You know, uh, or you see a chance for something that fails like an nfl game Where if you did it right and you didn't have a ton of monetization might be fun But you get a career mode that you have to buy different color, you know for all of your shirts They each one costs 200 mini crowns or whatever. Yeah, you know stupid all these 20 currencies and shit 20 currencies that they're doing and that makes me that i'm actively mad about where i'm like, dude, you guys had a chance here Yeah, that's like a different kind of mad to me. That's like oh shit Is this what we've come to like? Oh my god gaming will never be the same. Oh my god all games suck Oh my god companies suck everything sucks. I'm gonna go kill myself Like that's like that type of reaction where it's like, oh, this is literally modern like you see it and you're like This is a zoomer game like oh my god. There's this battle pass which unlocks all these different currencies And I hate that so much. Yeah for sure It is funny too because there's been times where i've been wrong When I got a monetization in the game and I was worried about it and then you jump in you're like, oh this isn't You know, it's not it's not what I thought it so you get that too But yeah when I jump into those sometimes you're just like here we go and it's gonna ruin my hobby And then you get yeah your hobby is you know, you're enjoying it and you're like this thing's gonna ruin the hobby Luckily, I think a lot of the times i've thought something was gonna ruin it like horse armor Uh, what was that oblivion? And horse armor was considered this is the end and I have to say that luckily It's not we we still see bad examples, but luckily it's not but I remember when that came out looking at going we're fucked Like it's over, you know because you're in your brain. You're like everybody's gonna take advantage. Luckily developers are gamers, too so the developer says We that's not You know, we might do a monetization with dlc or something like that, but we're not going to do it this way. Um I was I don't know. I don't know what this is Tiggeroos, he's a newer patron. He asked a question I don't know if this was discussed or not What's your guys's opinion on the coffin of andy? And lee lev dev doc scene and how people took a bad indian that was taken out of context to say that dev was promoting incest You guys know who those people are What wait, what was that paragraph? Wait, wait, wait, what was that? I don't know if this was discussed or not What's your guys's opinion on the coffin of andy and lay lev dev doc scene? And how people took a bad indian that was taken out of context to say a dev was promoting incest See one thing I should point out to anybody watching Is one I don't do drama ever And we even talk about it when we're alone talking about podcasts or whatever There's times where I kibosh a topic because i'm like this is just absolutely stupid like i'm not going to get involved On either side. It's just fucking dumb. I have no clue what the hell we're talking about All I know about it, uh, by the way is the developer got doxxed as a result of the situation and they were forced to like Just remove themselves from the internet and kind of like what was the situation? Like that. I don't know abzi. I there was some controversy in the game. Yeah, i'm not sure Um, I I will say that doc scene so far at least i've never Experienced a time where I believe in doxxing No, it's like doxxing doxxing and like sending death threats and shit no matter how much They've wronged you is never yeah. Yeah Doc scene is like one of the dirtiest grosses Things that like i've yeah, it's disgusting nor nor says some games really arrive with a whimper last train and gangs of sherwood If you're a small dev or publisher, how would you get eyes on your product with the reduction and quiet periods of gaming? That is a good question. It's a good question. That is a good question So the reduction in quiet times means it's harder What would you guys do if you ran gangs of sherwood or the last train devs? What would you do to get well? I think they they are doing it. They are using Streamers and you were talking about, you know streamers getting paid to cover stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's 100 happening, right? Yeah, um right now they're signed Yeah, like right now i'm seeing some big streamers covering gangs of sherwood for sure. It's sponsored Like pretty likely, you know a lot of them. Yeah, and I think that's one of the ways they combat The difficulty to get the word out. Yeah I mean, I would agree. I think that that's right now Um ignoring the money part for a second whether it's streamed or sorry whether sponsored or not your best way If you don't have a good amount of money to use a pr team I mean, it's all influencers now in a weird way Or a website you'll have journalists being like i'm a journalist, but they run a youtube channel. It's like well now you're both And if you have a youtube channel and you have a website technically at that point, you're pretty much a journalist. So There's this Overarching stuff ign for instance is definitely a creator like they are, you know, they create videos They are 100 the same as any youtuber And people who have a video or a website, I don't care how small they are They are now in some way like they are doing the journalist part Especially if they're doing news and if they're doing leaks and they're yeah So all those guys should be held to a certain Standard they are not that's life. But currently if you remove all morals, I would say pain for Pain for streamers is your best bet because streamers can be told they can't rate the game and you can just have them stream the game and People are pretty numb. I think to see I don't know about you but Nowadays, I think it's more valuable to spend money on streamers covering your game Instead of the traditional or something commercial because yeah, it used to be That I would see game ads on buses I would go, you know, like the newest ubisoft game. It's all over buses and Yeah, uh, you know stops public transport All this type of stuff and i've been seeing it less and less and instead it seems like we see Just influencers. Yeah, you know almost like the money is shifting In that direction. I absolutely agree with that. Uh, the next up we got is some new stalker info So anybody in chat if you haven't seen this stalker a new stalker trailer mini trailer sort of arrived With some data and what we were talking about prior to the podcast I think we can I think we're all assuming this was that because we saw that it means it won't see a delay there was there was no real reason to show the stalker trailer and um I mean it looked good on a facial feature standpoint. They showed barely any shooting in the stalker trailer, but I mean it's a story trailer Yeah, it was a story trailer story trailer. I just love the mocap looks so good the facial animation they do really they do Yeah, and the voice acting and the writing dude. I'm You know if you play in russian or english or whatever with the english, uh dub they have or the english va Very well executed with proper lip syncing and the voice acting is really really good, dude I've never seen I haven't seen a stalker trailer with bad acting yet or bad writing So i'm very hopeful as opposed to like bloodlines too you know, so Yeah bloodlines too. Um, I haven't seen they did some clan trailers, right? Yeah, it sucks Uh, what is it? What sucks technology wise they look rough Uh, just like it just feels like uh, like all the edges gone and and just really boring protagonists really boring characters Gotcha. Yeah, I haven't seen anything so far I I did have the audio off, um for the stalker trailer. I haven't seen anything that's like super shocking from it my expectations for stalker I think are set So yeah, I don't really have a desire to see more it i'm ready for it Yep, same they revealed more info. Um, there's uh, so there's this little blurb they said where um, They were asked about the main story length and they said the players and game choices will determine how the story pans out Um and the specific direction the narrative will take side objectives will also have different results based on the player's choices And some will affect the main plot However, it's not possible for players to experience all the stories blah blah blah in a single go with that said the main The main story alone will take roughly 40 hours of play time and will offer up to four different endings Um, so that's pretty Pretty sweet pretty tight. Um, and uh, And yeah, i'm pretty excited because in a game like that, um, if it's actually 40 hours That means the game is like actually much larger because of side stuff and The way ai life is and with soccer The best thing to do is like the sandbox stuff and siding with factions and all that shit And i'm excited to see what mods come out for it I also it was brought up. Oh, they're using lumen as well. Sorry lumen from the metro devs discussed what they're doing Not yeah. Um, I really hope I want to see more because I love exodus. I want to see where they're going Exodus was fine, man. Exodus was like really just good game overall really enjoyable then they did the rtx version Really good version rtx. Um metro was all the metro games have been enjoyable like they've been enjoyable, but I think exodus was Exodus at times felt like fart or like uh fallout 3. I don't know. Maybe it was just I don't know what it was But yeah, you know, there's something about it that and I really liked it. I love anything from them I love with their metro games. Just how they do, uh, how they make the Different endings based on just like your actions not like actual dialogue checks But like just on what you do like helping slaves out or like, you know getting karma in a certain way I love that type of stuff too. I think metro especially last light right was that one last light was what? I think they did a good job with uh metro of saying Like we're gonna get away from stalker not do open world We're gonna like contain it down to our own thing for two games at least two with some dlc I think and then Exodus was like their outer worlds versus skyrim To me, that's the way I felt I was like This is sort of baby outer worlds their version of of whatever and stalkers doing their thing and then now we'll see exodus 2 Maybe see exodus explain if you understand the word exodus actually makes a lot of sense in the game's name And what was occurring and where you why you were trying to leave? So I don't know if it'll be called exodus 2, but i'll call it. No, no I think it'll be like 2033 last flight exodus and something else probably. Yeah I think it'll probably be its own name, but i'm excited for it, man I actually I want to see metro. I mean i'm excited for stalker, but like I said, i'm sort of done I'm, I I think I know what stalker is So it's like I just want to play it and I hope that all those guys in the war-torn areas, you know Are safe first and so if that requires a delay because things turn bad I get it That's why I don't be I know i've even had people be like why don't you cover these in like future games i'm like because I don't know how far it'll be. You know, it could be You know something bad could happen. It could be even farther out. It's like just i'm just letting them work on it Um in light of capcom confirming the obvious more resident evil remakes Which capcom survival horror game would you like to see most and ironically a resident evil one remake remake would be my number one It's a sauce keeper Obviously code veronica, right? Gonna do yeah I don't think they there's a rumor that they are and there was some hints that they are but when it intel it's announced abzi Fuck you. I mean, i'm not just a forgotten child man. It is it's the batman origins of resident evil games It's just they don't even dude. They pretend it doesn't exist and it's one of the greatest Yeah, yeah, do you guys have any others would you Dino crisis, maybe yeah, dino crisis. I grew up with that. That was A really good one. Yeah, that would be a good one a lot. Did you like one the very love one? You the master of unlocking the the writing so bad in that game. The writing is terrible Well, the writing is terrible in every rezzy game. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I just sort of out. I guess it is Yeah, yeah, everything is very bad But the game game was like I think that's capcom in general man, even I mean devil may cry Has awesome story and shit the writing and voice acting it's like eh, whatever even dragon's dogma But their gameplay is always just capcom does good capcom That is a really good point though that I like dragon's dogma a lot but I would never in a billion years be like Writing and dragon dogma is good monster hunter like what who imagine a monster story like what? Right now I agree with you somebody's writing a fandom on monster hunter, you know, so we're sitting here going The reason we have to kill the monsters is to equilibrate the ecosystem, okay Right and covering, you know, yeah covering all that. I mean there i'm sure there's somebody but I don't think there's a story in the in Dragon's dogma Good, isn't that part of why you guys like the game? It's not part of why I like the game. I think it's serviceable I just don't think like this is so on the priority of why the game is good like very very long It was mostly like gameplay based The fun mostly. Yeah, no and even quest based like I would say They had good quest design and like I like how I can interact with npcs and do stuff for them. Okay, the writing There was nothing, you know, there was even the writing for the quests It was funny because the actions you might do to fulfill a quest would be good But the writing for the quest to get you there. Yeah. Yeah, like the content is good. The context is like your standard fantasy Like you said the content is good. The context is bad in almost all ways in that game. Yeah in almost all ways That's exactly right It doesn't stand out as like something at all. It's more like you're not it's not like You can be like remember the bloody baron quest like you're never going to say that about maybe you'll say like oh I remember my experience going through the cave with my pawns, but you wouldn't say like or remember the dude fighting that whatever Yeah, like going around the back of a dragon and it's flying away or something. It's all all about that I think with dragon's dogma There were a couple times where they do a little of the mystery not the way I like it Which is like grab a book and read it, you know, like dark souls or something like whatever. Oh, Read a description. Yeah in dragon's dogma. They did have a couple You know like historical things you read that made the world Like when you got to a castle or whatever you're like, oh that's the castle that I've read about or that's castle Somebody's talking about but if you like you knew something that took place There yeah. Yeah, and if you play dragon's dogma, it's very easy. Johnny does not hear anybody talking for a good deal of time Even in the city. It's got like eight people in the fucking city it's definitely skyrim style where it's like eight people run the entire economy in the city and They don't talk a lot of times. Yeah Yeah, one guy one Prostitute you're just like this. Yeah, this is some dirty money man, you know, yeah, it's it But it's I love it, but it is absolutely right that the context is pretty mediocre at best And that's why things didn't make sense. Even the romance I remember slipping into the romance option like 10 times in that game without even knowing why There were I didn't even know how I got into the I was like what is going on? Why do they you know and you got to sort of track it back to it out of nowhere. Yeah Yeah, and then and then you got bro, then you got like resident evil where they do this like japanese shit where it's like Oh no, but then he's the bad guy, but then he uses the t-virus But then that bad guy he he discovered the g-virus which then he used and he used for ultimate destruction No other than the third bad guy use it for it's the animate plot twists It's all the anime animation. The only part of resident evil that I actually Found interesting. First of all, resident evil 7 had amazing characterization with that family. Yeah, totally different. They just pulled it off so well Yeah, and resident evil 8 I think the acting and writing was terrible still but um, but was really cool Was how they tied it back to like the original resident evils and stuff Yeah, there's like a part at the end which was like, oh that's awesome. And the ending of it was really really cool That's like the only two memorable resident evil things. Yeah, and obviously punching rocks and five so You got that I think Five had some questionable stuff. I I do think that overall the resident evil games have gotten better because uh village Was better at least to story wise and less convoluted than the prior ones, but not very good But I didn't think um the house one whatever seven the seven have a sub character writing man. Yeah Which is like saying biohazard biohazard that's the name yeah, whatever dragon's dogma dragon's dogma it's yeah It's weird. That was that it's like Yakuza like a dragon, right? Yeah. Yeah, or what were you saying gayden or something? Is that what you're talking about where it was like gaiden? No, because and seven is called yakuza like a dragon, but all the yakuza's are called like a dragon and that's what it was That's what it's like as an evil biohazard. Yeah Oh Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I was confused about that. Yeah, you know Lansby says I dare you to just announce a gta trailer and then leave it on the floor until the wednesday podcast Oh, you mean pretend like uh, like we saw i'm not gonna do that Um sp3cu says we did talk about the smell of mana in card tabletop dungeons. He means sweat So let's hit it from the more positive side. What's your favorite smell or fragrance? Uh japanese cheesecakes Oh being made instant that's on the oddly specific. Yeah, that's Amazing smell japanese cheesecakes Yes, so good. Oh, they're like fluffy and nice and they they don't even they're not like normal cheesecakes Like they have nothing to do with But like that's so good. That's an interest Like I would never I don't even know what smell I would have to like go Yeah, I wouldn't they probably wouldn't be very good here You know, they'd probably be like a ripoff, you know, just a cheesecake and they call it japanese There was a place in toronto called uncle. I think it's uncle tatsu's or something and uh every single time you go there it's like one small shop and like Just a hundred people on the road waiting to grab their. Oh my god, you grabbed their cheesecake. That's awesome. Yes What about you johnny, do you have a smell that uh, it's for me it's like walking into a bakery And you have the smell of fresh bread You know croissants or whatever. Yeah all that stuff just like Yeah, it's amazing Gasoline is good Oh were you answered? I was always guys. Yeah, I love gas smell It's ridiculous. I was always ashamed of it because I thought it was kind of like a drug or something Yeah, it's like smell as I remember. I remember as a kid pretending to not like it because I thought Oh, it was like I wasn't supposed to You know, like maybe some people are out there smelling gas get gas on your hand and I would be talking to my mom Three hours later and she'd be like quit smelling which sounds gross, but she'd be like smell your finger because i'd be all Ha Is the most Growing up your head smell I would want to like when my dad was going out wherever I would track I would know that his gas was low and i'd be like, let me go with you. I'll tag along Yeah, so you could because I knew he was gonna go Yeah, and I would ask to fill it up myself because I like my parents would open the window for me to smell it I I had the same reaction with like you who stick glue. I just oh, oh you like that Yeah, I I don't like that because I know that smell but there's it is so funny that you think it's bad because it is dangerous You see p you know, you hear stories of people trying to as a joke siphon Somebody's gas they get it in their lungs. They you know, there's all kinds of pneumonia you can get shit and burn yourself, but dude, like It is I don't even and i'm sure there's science behind it, but I don't I mean it was intoxicating. I mean Like doesn't even it's so far beyond the smell of anything else that when I do smell it It's just like oh my god. What is you know, it's obviously bad for you, you know right like Anything that gets that kind of reaction is probably yeah, right. That's and that's why I gotta have more exactly That's where john is coming from On your lips in the movies you see those guys. Let me smell some more. Yeah That's a good question who asked that sp3 cu good question man rick flayer says farewell dmc in the year since its launch The game has seen five new maps the lack of any few Future updates may be attributed to free-to-play nature lacking the revenue Do you think it might transition to paid game content, especially considering prolonged beta tag? Oh, yeah, so dmz was uh listed as a beta the entire time and so that people know the dmc, uh, the Modern warfare mode or whatever got got basically announced that it would no longer have support um See I don't follow it that much i'm always confused like dmz war zone, you know, there's all these free-to-play versions Yeah I don't know if they do. Uh, um like if they do any kind of Paid transaction. I think they're just done. I think activision when they're done with something they're done Is dmz like the extraction type Yeah, it's like an extraction light. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and I know a lot of people really liked it now. I was actually surprised that It got announced because I didn't track it. It got announced. I looked it up They were saying people were complaining that there wasn't any content. He's saying there are five maps So it looks like a lot of fans don't think five maps is enough So that's even an interesting thing to track is five maps enough. It seems like it is to me Like to me if I I think five maps shows support but Some people didn't find that it got its support and then yeah, it got it got removed from any future updates but I think personally I don't know of anything that they've pulled from the fire if something goes to a Whatever that term is, you know, like maintenance For software development when you put a database into maintenance. It's like that thing's done. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know if you would ever go back to it, which is too bad Yeah, indefinitely. Yeah indefinitely means for It means definitely. Okay. Yeah That's why when I was growing up dude when i'm see a trailer or or An apology a cdpr style apology and they say indefinitely my brain always goes cancelled That's even though it's incorrect. It's not used the same way anymore But to me when somebody says indefinitely, you know, are we breaking up? We might get back together, you know It's indefinitely on hold when you're like, uh, there's a saying in arabic where it's basically like god willingly, you know Which basically means which means never maybe right? It means no. Yeah, which means that right? Yeah, or when you say someday Yeah, we'll do that someday right when someone is like, hey, we should go bowling. Yeah. Sure someday, dude No, I will play it by ear. Oh, yeah I lost all ability to bullshit So whenever anybody and i'm around somebody in a group and they do say that I I will instantly without thinking go Okay Never and i'll just walk off because I know i'm like We're not going to do that if you wanted to do that you'd be calling me on my phone and tweeting me right then Yeah, you know you'd be let's put a time to it. Let's uh, yeah, you know, hey, maybe we'll we'll catch up later No, we won't that boy. Mikey two dollar super chat sniffing a brand new game case Oh A new game case. Do I have a new video game? I think I got shipped one from uh A game company here in the last like six months. I wonder if it still smells I kind of I used to have that but lately the cases are so bland because nothing comes in it You know like that's that's sad right there. It's just yeah, there's just nothing Sorry, I need to go away for two three minutes. I'll be right back. You know why you know where he's going just smell gas Smell gasoline. He's going he's he's going to smell gasoline. That's what I've been Uh that new game smell facts the indian scene. Oh, they're talking about something else They bring up the same things for I work with databases all day doom reaper says He said remember every time. Oh, no, he doesn't say go ahead Every time I bought a new game as a kid like a physical game. I don't like really buy physical games anymore I'm at the cd rom and god knows but uh when I did like i'd go back home and i'd always just have to pee prior Like I I can't like start playing without peeing first Yeah, you got to get everything ready man got to clean the house. I feed the dogs. I make sure I peed make sure i've eaten Because I don't like bodily reaction. It's a body reaction. Yeah. Yeah, because there's no Mental plan it's like yeah, it's like it triggers peeing You get it like gotta pee You know, yeah Especially if you had friends over when before my friends would come over I make sure everything's done So that there isn't like oh hang on. I gotta do this. It's like no everything's taken care of beforehand. Um, silver hawkins says Blizzard seems to be scoping out the potential for a high price dlc for diablo 4 And this is asking players if they're okay with paying for vessel of hatred. Do you know what this dlc would be? Does anybody no idea but apparently it's a hundred dollar dlc. Oh, which is crazy. What? How did I not hear about this? They got leaked or something that they they had a survey for like would you be okay with a hundred dollar dlc? But obviously like if they did like dude if the market responded dude if it's all on on the users if we see a hundred DLC, it's all on the people Because they they apparently are doing a survey for it I don't know about imagine a hundred dollars dlc like what the fuck is gonna that's just like a new game plus plus But it would have to be a new world plus plus it would have to be a new Everything like a hundred dollar game doesn't exist, right? Right, exactly So I I don't know if the leak was I don't think maybe that someone added a zero or something I don't fucking know dude, like I just what you know, what does that mean? Dude, so I don't know if you've ever done this we used to use survey monski You know you do survey of your workers and stuff Always, you know, so we we were messing around we did not messing around as in being inattentive But we were messing around doing some surveys to find some data out and we started getting the weirdest answers man Like the weirdest it's just people were mad. You could tell in your responses. Nobody was choosing a choice They were choosing n a and then answering and we looked it up and found out that the person had questioned it wrong and put like a zero like you said so it's like would you be okay with a You know ten dollar dlc but it said hundred kind of stuff and everybody reacted really poorly to it diablo Uh, I as far as I know people are loving it now, you know, there's obviously issues But I can't see why anybody would even why they would even ask Do you think it's diminishing returns? They want to ask to set people up and then say no, it's only 40 Right, it's been crazy. Yeah I don't know. It seems weird. I don't know man. I don't know. I don't know It just seems weird and then you do good. It's not official like it could be another mistake We've been seeing a lot of those dude. We've seen a lot of mistakes recently Yeah I mean that is the thing. I noticed uh a couple weeks ago I was listening to a review for cutting for this podcast to do Last time on or whatever these games i've covered and I made a mistake in one and I was I was like that's not a mistake. I would normally make it seems a little odd and then I realized it was like Oh, there was like six games There was two podcasts. It wasn't two podcasts at the time There's one podcast but it's like mistakes happen, but it seems like oh my god humans do make mistakes Yeah, humans who make mistakes and i'm sure they go through the same thing. I do which is checking it 10 times You know, it's like they probably you hope they check it 100 times It's like psych chicken says I just learned the stargate game is coming out next month However, I was severely disappointed to find out it was an rts game As I don't do not like rts game. It's not rts I I hang on I so desperately want a full-blown game in a style, uh, like starfield. So what is it? Oh, gotcha It's uh, it's like a commandos. Like it's like a what do they call those like tactical? Okay, right not turn-based like a crpg but like a tactical like stealth shit like Um, usually those games are pause. I think so, right desperados. Yeah, right. There's those types of games Yeah, yeah, not like a full-blown rts, but I love those types of games. So i'm very excited I just don't know how good it's going to be because I you know, I I don't know that company's track record or anything Either do I but I will agree that when I see a certain ip and then it's not what I think so like pandora If it was rts, it would be two things against it, but because it's a third person Whatever i'm like, all right Maybe we'll check it out so I could see where he's coming from where you're like oh damn, I was I was hoping this was I guess he's saying starfield which would be like What jumping through gates third person slash first person combat? Exploring different planets different gate worlds, but they're not a big enough dev for that, right? Like that's that seems like they're probably not. Yeah, they're not this is definitely, uh, not even middleware. I think it's just It's pretty indie. Yeah Toasty tony $10 super chat. Hello from the past. I gotta go back and watch from the beginning Love the podcast and reviews keep it up playing re4 remake loving it and excited that they announce more remakes. You have code veronica It's announced. It's gonna be the greatest thing ever cannot wait Food never Yeah, it's probably never I yeah I don't actually even get excited for it because I think it won't i'm gonna leave johnny's question um because He's gonna be coming back and my mouse stopped working by the way the wireless one twice now brand new stops working That's why I don't know why wireless. Yeah Dude, it's always logitech. Dude. That's why I have another mouse plugged in. Yeah all the time, which is my old one I never do wireless. I i've never bought a wireless We found in a box for starfield stuff that I refused to open because I didn't want to be affected by the review So we found it about two weeks ago and I opened it up. There's a mouse. I was like i'll use that um Anyway, happy about the remakes. Yeah, it'll be cool to see code veronica. Dino crisis. What other ones are there? Anything that is there anything capcom sitting on? Like an ip that i'm not aware of um like dmc We haven't seen a devil may cry since five Was that two and a half years ago three years ago It was like 2019 right something like that 2018 2019. Yeah, maybe 2020 not 2019 for sure. I was still streaming. Um They're sitting on dino crisis but like that's that's you know, do you still call it sitting on if it's like a Super long ago game that just right came in one. Yeah. Um, what else are they sitting on beautiful joe? All those dude capcom has a really good track record. Yeah, they do. They do. They've got a Mega, man, mega man. We've seen stuff. I feel like mega man's had some remakes here. I could be wrong Two days ago though What? Yeah, the turrock three remaster Oh, okay Strider, holy crap. I think the last strider was playstation strider, dude. That game was fun as hell that yeah bring back dead rising Yeah, I would love to see I would kill for a new dead rising I'm, just such a fan power stone would be awesome power stone, dude Did you ever play power stone on the dreamcast? I did not play power stone. Oh my god power stone is amazing You guys had dreamcast though, right? One of your friends? Yeah, uh my cousin Yeah, power stone is awesome. I'd forgotten see capcom sitting on a lot of shit. This is why I asked Yeah capcom. Somebody said turrock is not capcom. Okay Whoever said that then this capcom Make bad game like what have they made bad games? Yeah Yeah, of course, right? They're that big what like because there's a lot of just great games They've made just a lot of like classics just a lot of amazing shit. I think if I remember right we weren't streaming yet As in we weren't doing the podcast But I do believe that when I had started the podcast and stuff We were surprised at the quality of the remake starting to come out because capcom had some issues prior And I can't remember the issues because it was a long time ago but I remember I think it was whatever the first of these remakes has started to do well was and a lot of us were like, oh wow, they're doing like they seem like they're sort of Catching their catching their second wind. It could have been more wrapped up about remakes being good though Now that I think about it like just remakes as a whole being good lost planet Yeah lost planet would be incredible Man, they they are sitting on a lot of stuff Lost planet was capcom Dude, I loved lost planet. I like lost planet 3 a lot And I know a lot of people didn't but I actually thought all the way I played I don't think I played have I played too Maybe is it the one where it's co-op and you can go into like massive uh max robots or you know You can do max. I don't think it was co-op. I don't think it was co-op but in three sure They had that voice actor. I I did an interview with him when I first started the channel, uh, the voice actor for the william No, no bill stevens that's amazing will shatner shatner done a game um I Will leave he has or no, I got I got mixed up with more camel a lot Um, maybe I don't think so. He has a voice back for elite dangerous that I bought That might be what you're thinking about, right? Yeah, that is yep Yeah, uh, so the pitch for remind says that he did he did see that three was co-op I don't remember anything about three being co-op, but I probably played it by myself. I really enjoyed it a lot I thought it was great um, yeah Lost planet 2 was co-op for sure. Yeah the lost planet games dark stalkers Dark stalkers was was good. They do they are sitting on a lot of stuff you back johnny I am back. So let's go to your question then Or what you said you said revisiting 2077, which we did epilogue added in huge paint Patches for bg3 so What exactly do they mean by epilogue Like so it's like every character six months after the events of the end of the game Kind of wrapping up the story giving a bit more conclusion to everything and you can access that if you Load any save that's like, you know At the very last fight of the game or prior You so you would just like reload that and then it would trigger for you Gotcha. Um And they added three thousand lines of dialogue or something. Wasn't that true like something like three thousand? I didn't read that. Um, I just read they have an insane amount of patches for Uh technical problems and things like that Gotcha. Yeah, I just uh, I don't it'll never be turned on again for me, but I think that's really great There's an epilogue I could see since i've saved games there, you know jumping back in to maybe cover it for a podcast But I don't really have any desire to play. I was very happy with my story very happy I feel like I got my balder's gate but You know, I was I was thinking about that Why is it you think that that game you don't want to replay but other games you've been happy to like? I don't know mass effect or you know some of the star wars games in the past What would be the even when I was reviewing it johnny and the early access proved this to me is that No matter what choices I made there was a lot of combats. I knew I would enter regardless And while I like the combats I picked a pretty diverse cast So I got to see a lot of the classes and the idea of going back into those same combats Is completely not as enjoyable as let's say the rp element of it I also um I locked down my story of balder's gate and i'm not a huge lover of their representation of the world of balder's gate versus Like the prior ones I didn't mind it at all But it's just it didn't grab me as highly so but I feel like I got a good classic story and that any other Thing would just be choosing choices to choose them and I don't want to do that instead I walked away from it and i'm really happy and really happy and the idea I really believe in Making walking away from games when you got like, you know, you got a great Outcome from it and that's it. You don't need to milk it until it's exactly I don't know about you guys, but I thought balder's gate, uh did a good job where I you know You pick your class you make your class, but you have this diverse Character group and half of them are classes. You might have chosen anyway, so you're like well, he's already with me So I know the skills that that class would have so it's like let's just let's live through them And they did a good job of making those guys interesting too Well, not all but they did a really good job with making most of them interesting. Who's your least favorite balder's gate? uh party member I think it's got to be will I didn't like will he was very self-righteous and I don't know. I didn't click with him. Did you have any you hated abzi from balder's gate hated? um Probably gail was kind of boring to me, but he had an interesting thing going on. Yeah, right, right. Yeah Yeah, interesting thing, but he wasn't interesting. Does that make sense? Yeah. I know everyone loves carla and honestly, she's very likable she's like I like her but I think uh, I think She didn't have a I mean towards the end and also she did but from the beginning like she didn't have a very deep. Uh, So the reason why I like lizelle like a lot of people dislike lizelle in the beginning is because She has a very very interesting character arc and you can feel her character growth depending on your choices Of course and and and you start gaining respect for her where you didn't have it before because she was just a bitch, right? Um, but with carlac I I didn't have that until the very end where stuff was happening She was just like that And and there's nothing wrong with that There's something to be said about like a character that you can rely on just giving like having fun with or like always like Being fun to be around right, but I I was interested in other characters more, but I would say probably gail I mean, I I still don't hate gail, but he's probably the the most At least I liked out of all of them. Yeah, it's a hard one. Yeah, they all had very interesting stuff Yeah, I had I had even forgotten about lazario or whatever her name is. I killed her the first opportunity I got Yeah, see, uh, if you don't grow with her like you you won't appreciate her because I hated the shit out of her in the beginning and then She became my favorite character. So we're like goldilocks because I hated her from start to finish And yeah Abzi hated her starting to finish And then okay, okay, that's fair and then johnny. Um, and johnny disliked her right from the start Yeah, and that's one thing I was gonna add about boulder's gate whether it's skill whether it's on accident whether it was Completely, whatever their characters most of their characters are not solid all the way through And whether you can say that's on purpose or not I think you can look at it and say that's pretty much something I felt through the entire thing is nobody's good All the time as in nobody has an interesting story all the time. Nobody has a non-interesting story all the time um, but personally, I felt like There was no one that I hated but gail was definitely like we were talking about context and content He had a really cool thing But everything around him was just like yeah, yeah I just don't like talking to him and he's like stop hitting on me and shit But no the like honestly the companion work I've played a lot of crpgs and their companion work is some of the best and most unique i've seen Um, usually when I get companions and other crpgs, they have like a static kind of uh Morality system and with these characters their morality was very dynamic and it changed depending on stuff happening And now it's not always like oh she she liked that because it's a good choice always, you know what I mean? Uh, dr scotty says acg off topic. That's an awesome looking hoodie. Thank you very much. Um Acg played bugged gale. Nope Check that out after that, but but I know that they were saying that um They were all horny at the starting because of a bug and I was I was sitting there going like they were pretty horny Right, like everybody. I think at holder's gate. You can look at it and go. Yeah, they're pretty horny, but it's so funny because what I really had a problem with was that There were people who were saying oh you just dislike this character because they're female and it it's so it's such a tragic discussion Because you're like dude Some it's way more nuanced than that. It's way more nuanced than that way more nuanced like it Uh, it's so bothersome as a convert. It makes me just want to punch somebody. It's yeah, like here's a nuanced yeah, yeah, I like I think just that Black and white thing where it's like, oh you're just a second because a girl no like there is some truth Like there is some truth to like for example Sometimes people don't appreciate the extreme sides. Like if a if a girl like they can like a guy that who is too Being a dipshit to other people Sometimes if it was the same character But a woman it comes off as like bitchy as a woman and you might not like that But that's more nuanced than like, oh you just don't like her as a girl. I think there's something to be said You know what? I mean? Yeah, and there's also especially when you go and and you experience them and you start playing with them Especially with like gail. I didn't find his story ever interesting I was like he had some cool stuff, but his story is never interesting. I liked his surrounding character though Yep. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about Yeah There's no spoilers But um for sure but it always becomes this thing this happened recently when I was like, hey man I love all the I love all the handhelds and I made a small mention Mention it was I admit for me. This is the smallest most lightweighted mention when I am not triggered by stupidity About the steam deck and the valve lovers came from the sky Descended upon descended How dare you speak ill of the great gabe and I was like lord of the rings music, dude It was like one of those times where i'm like you don't understand if you can't handle a fact about something That's in your own sheltered universe go crackle under that pressure somewhere, but don't bring it in here We're talking about like the levels of something the levels of a particular thing and people shut it off because they're just so I don't know if they don't have to deal with people in real life. No Yeah, but well they could be but I don't know what it is But you get those kind of discussions and I saw that with balder's gate where somebody'd be like, oh you don't like um What's the uh elf? Uh Aster uh, what's his name? Um, the awesome guy. Well, I liked him Astra the vampire. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I he is was very interesting I loved him his story was very very interesting and I saw people saying oh you only like him because he's a vampire You only like him because of this and it's like dude, what are you talking about? There's the entire story Yeah, and I really liked I really liked how they set it up as it gave me like a walking dead kind of feeling where There's like stuff in your group that's happening like in your camp. You don't always feel safe Yeah, where he tried to you know yeah, so that was that was very interesting where it's like the game presented itself as not just like oh You're in camp and this is your team members and nothing can you know what I mean? They they had like that sense of um stuff can go wrong within that like little close circle or group or whatever Yeah, yeah. Yeah Um, it's likely people being reactionary because of personal decisions. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely it is one of those things where sort of Sort of an odd discussion because I saw the developers even state that Some one of the developers was like, oh people don't like them just because of this and I was like jesus here we go, man I mean here Like what are we talking about, you know, I don't know it's an odd thing especially on this where You have so many choices and your experiences may just be different the main writing may be different for this stuff I think the best thing about balder's gate that I felt was that they weren't equal all the time. And so therefore Even if you didn't like when their story part peaked up It peaked up and you felt it even to the point to where maybe it bothered you and you're like I don't want to deal with this person's story I actually like that because You've ever been with friends and when your friends comes over and starts telling you about the girl he's dating for the 40th time They broke up 20 times cheated on him 15 times and you're like, I don't want to hear your fucking story anymore Like your story you are mired in that. I love that in balder's gate because there were some characters were like I don't want to hear you bitch anymore. Go. Yeah, or Maybe you did maybe when they were bitching you're like this makes them interesting and that like I said whether skill or accident I'm sure a mixture of both they did a really good job at balder's gate Like that was the that was one of the best things. Yeah, they killed it. Yeah. Yeah, they killed it Yeah, they just did almost every character had the girlfriend moment where it's like Hey, i'm going through this shit and we need to deal with this right now We need to stop what we're doing and you know, you know a game that didn't johnny cool Starfield man, there were times in starfield where I was like The characters were just and by the way I'm not comparing the two because I do not think they're the same type of game i'm talking purely about side characters so we could jump to like dragon age inquisition very one note, but very yeah, and they were Lack like like I told you guys when I woke up that one day They didn't even show any kind of sex or hint at it and the character was like boy that physical workout And I was like, what are you talking about? Anywhere you slept did anywhere you slept and I was like, listen I like that character. I thought she was actually as a character model. I actually thought she was attractive and everything I was like, oh, this is cool. And I loved her character and she was by the way, bitchy as hell So this stupid line that oh, you just don't like a sassy bitchy character. It's like no, I actually love it It's just you know, somehow how it just comes together Thinking back to the companions from like fallout 3 new vegas uh, the elder scrolls and stuff and and The the main there were a lot of side characters that can be companions which had really cool stuff going on Obviously not like a as big of a quest for them as the the other four but those four they didn't give us one that like had evil morality or anything like everyone and and it was weird where um the the organization that you were all working for the way sarah presented herself was more of like a Kind of like we're doing we're on our own path thing Which which doesn't intersect with any good or bad, but they all ended up just being good Um, which was kind of a bummer for sure you you wanted are we talking starfield? Yeah, yeah, so you like like no one appreciates you pickpocketing or something. Nobody appreciated that or or appreciated like bad Evil judgment or evil. Yeah, or what they consider to be bad. Just yeah, I got that Yeah, that makes sense Um, because because sarah says in the spirit of the wager between abzi and acg here we go regarding gta6 release Why not wagering when we expect the new mass effect? Entry and when it will come out people want us to bet on everything points to being years and years away. Yeah, dude It's like we made one bet and what did I say even in the podcast when it happened? I said this is gonna turn into something like this will turn out god Oh, man. Yeah mass effects. I mean probably gonna be a long way out Like and who knows what it'll be? I I mean I got excited for andromeda and look how that turned out so I just Anything by the way makes i'm never excited for anything i'm interested to see what happens with it But I just I lost all all hope of anything good coming out of that company It's it's been a long time since they made anything worthwhile. So I think that's the best thing is that if it does Turn out to be good right if it does to me. It's just one more company with a library that might in the future continually Yeah succeed and therefore i'm happy and if it doesn't i'm not going to sit there for four weeks and lament it You know, it's like we might bitch about it on podcast But it's like not invading and i've seen people in our discord where they're like i'm super disappointed Well, you got it for a while and it sort of changed how you played with cyberpunk where you were to it to whatever And then it recreated and you even said it made gaming better because you were like, okay, I need to reconstruct How attached I am to things or or at least how attached I am to things early And I think that that is healthy man. There are times where we see it In our discord in You know twitter, obviously in our friends where they're so attached to something you're like, dude, this is gonna turn out bad, man This is yeah, I think um dangerous. I stopped what I What worked for me i'm moving this dog. I I still get super hyped for games and I love getting hyped for games and I will never stop getting hyped for games Just for the chance of it being bad disappointment could be bad But I just love the excitement and hype and seeing trailers and being like, oh my god and like letting my Mind run amok and like think about all the possibilities and it's just an enjoyable time for me that will never go away but what went away was like Being being attached to companies or hating companies. I stopped I just take every game as it comes. Um, You know, I like some companies, uh and trust them like obsidian for example never had a bad game for me Um, but in general I just don't I stopped like really if I if a company made a good game They made witcher 3 which was amazing And then this like I just don't uh, don't get attached to these companies or don't feel the need to like defend them or whatever Yeah, I think there's a difference between interest and investment. I become interested in games, but i'm not invested In that company's success i'm not invested in their failure It's i'm interested in what they're delivering if I fucking worked for them. Sure Yeah, but it's like this asinine shit where you have somebody who's like defending it for 45 hours And they're talking about these things happened 20 years ago. You're like, whatever man. Yeah, you know, that's that's the creepy sports team You know kind of mentality where they're the one Celebrating like they won the super bowl and you're just like dude you didn't you weren't out there kicking, you know, sorry Yeah, but yeah, it's cool to see I mean people talking about mass effect and sort of even though there's a worry about andromeda There's sort of still a hope dragon age is the same way for me I think inquisition wasn't terrible. I just didn't love it as much. So i'm actually i've got that. What's it like a Like a lot of interest but a little you know a little tentative, but I still think that they do a pretty good job you know speaking of that we we don't talk about much but outer world or uh Outer worlds. Yeah outer worlds too. You know, we haven't seen much on that Yeah, maybe the game trailer. Yeah, we haven't we have not avowed Right avowed man. Oh Dude, I want to see more of the living lands. Somebody just said obsidian goaded. Yeah, dude It would be awesome to see some outer. Oh, sorry. I missed a super chat But it would be awesome to see some outer world stuff hush out ghoul two dollar super chat Which comes first mass effect or kotor? Oh, oh, you mean kotor remake? Oh christ. Oh Do you want to open up that kind of whims What um Talking about years I would say Man hmm Remake's easier to make you know, because you have a blueprint or whatever. Yeah, and it's probably uh, Probably easier to trust or easier to to kind of hope to be good because you already Because the original game was good already. So how much can they fuck it up? Really? Yeah, how much can they fuck it up that's that's a sad statement when you're like how much how much could they uh, Soul skeeper five dollar super chat. Let's not forget capcom zelda, which is oracle of seasons and minish cap Let's not forget the capcom zelda Minish minish minish um And then pitchfork says carrick was right, uh lost uh lost planet three. No co-op had pvp That's what I thought but you know what i'm totally okay with assuming that i'm just wrong because I played a lot of Games, but cool to be right once in a while self-esteem. I do man. I do. I've just been treated poorly poor, baby um I think outer worlds would be Great if they take the idea make the planets a little bit bigger And I don't know if you guys remember there's one planet where you can land in one or two places the more dangerous spot But you I can't remember you have to like ghost you have to like get to a quest in a roundabout way There was a one landing pad. I believe that was overrun By them, yeah A you know aliens or or vegetation or life forms? I would love to see them do more of that more landing places would be cool. I think their towns were pretty awesome um What else would you guys want to see in an outer worlds? Uh, would okay, let's just go there Would you guys want to see a co-op or are you much more interested in in? No, I don't give a shit about co-op Uh, I um, I would like to see it have uh better gameplay Just all around just shooting wise and and stuff make it feel more, uh triple-a like right and uh And more locations for sure. I'd like to see more, uh features, um, and more of uh I'm, not saying like completely Connected universe or some shit like stupid but um, maybe more expansive kind of exploration Yeah, I love I love the quest center. I still love that and I love quest centric games But i'd like i'd like to explore in that game for sure so almost like still hub but bigger hubs, right bigger hubs Yeah, because I love the hub dude. I'm probably still a bigger fan of hub based than open world They feel there are so few that make good use of like what we have alden ring and a few other like Mass effects did those and red dead. Um, well red dead was more open world red dead was it was open world I'm saying it's just one of the few that did open like had a reason. Oh, I see what you're saying Yeah, no, you're absolutely right on that. Yeah. Sorry. My apologies. Uh, johnny. Are there anything for outer worlds that you would want to see? Did you enjoy outer worlds one? I did I did find the locations a bit small even the city, you know, yeah It was kind of like a little tight right like it's tight. Yeah, you just had the two streets in it So, uh, yeah, I would like to see a bigger location you did it was you did I just forgot that is sort of how Yeah, wasn't it ninth and main street, you know, like it was Like finally going by going to the big city and it's like, you know, and yeah You're smaller than camarocha, you know, yeah, that is true those I yeah, that is a good way of putting it Yeah, two streets. Yeah cross street. Okay So that would be cool and One thing that i've kind of been waiting to see in games and that game had an ai in the ship so I was thinking What if right the ai was actually some type of chat gpt but trained on? Game data. Yeah, so it would be game world So in terms of the backstory and stuff of the world and and events but also things like how to play the game What if you could ask the ai like wait, how do I dodge this attack? You know or like how do I? And it's just trained on on that data so it can answer those questions, you know, because we're there It just takes work to train a model on it But I think the thing about outer worlds that I would like to see other than the bigger huds, too And I don't know if this is real or not but I feel like You had this ship that was a big deal. You crushed the owner you get the ship And you fly around but you don't really have space battles But I don't know if space battles works in outer worlds I don't know because remember kotor had the shit space battles. I don't know if you guys Remember the black mark of memory that those ship battles had on humans They were terrible like you'd leap into a gunner and it was it almost looked full. Uh, fmv. It was terrible It was just horrible shooting and you would hit them and they would just blow up in these fake little pictures pixel explosion patterns But yeah, would you guys want to see like Starfield style, you know flying around an asteroid field shooting people or would are you actually happier with outer worlds in outer worlds? No, uh, no, I like what obsidian does and they do it for a reason And then that reason is to give us like a pro, uh, like a very good Yeah, uh contained rpg with choices that affect stuff like the the bigger your scope goes It's going to be harder to do the the cool stuff that obsidian does. Yeah Yeah, unless they pull a bg3 and do some crazy shit, but even bg3 I wouldn't call See see here's the thing like people compare bg3 and starfield because they're really close to each other But it's not bg3 isn't a sandbox. Everything is really It's it's it's around the story, right? It's not like a sandbox where it's like oh I can go into this world and like do something Reoccurring and for example, like oh I choose to hunt today and I want to keep doing that right? It's like a game you complete um, so in a sandbox type game like starfield there is a The it's difficult to really make like a very very contained proper. Um rpg with multiple choices and multiple like, you know, uh, What do you call it where they split and all that stuff and branching like divergent? Divergent and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Game on says that's a good idea for anyone else's game, but obsidian's writing is too good to pass. Uh, anything over to ai Yeah, I could see where somebody would think that i'm not as big nearly as big of a fan of obsidian's writing as I would say almost Everybody I feel like i'm really Yeah, well are you not are you saying i'm not and that's surprising? That's surprising to me. I just I think the writing is really really good. I think it's really good The level of this Fandom that seems like some kind of ghost waiting to pounce on you if you don't think kotor 2 is 1000 times better than kotor 1 And which is what happens when it comes to obsidian and like when you start talking Yeah, because they tend to like people say they tend to take other companies games and make them better and stuff, right? Yeah, and I would not agree with that for sure. But like that which I think that's the thing is I I think if johnny's idea for ai was used it would just have to be just the ship Because if you did it with yeah, it would just be the ship. I'm not saying you know I think that game on might be right in the idea of like that You would have to you would have to figure out why that would add anything other than having just a voiced person help you With a menu. Well, the the idea is that you're actually interacting with an ai so that you would be able to type stuff so there's something about Actually typing out things That's a much different experience than selecting like two three options. It's a console. It's a console title So it's like how would you even type things, you know, can you imagine how tired it wasn't I wasn't thinking about that aspect That's true um, I was more like the idea of a you know, I like the idea of a spaceship that like or you could say You know, we were talking about uh, we were talking about uh, what's the other game? Um space game, uh, Not no man sky the other one, um, uh with a voice pack For william. Uh elite. Yeah, we were talking about elite and in elite you can say hey ship explain to me What the constellation orion is and it'll do it. Yeah, and that's so awesome So I could see loving that in you know on a starfield, but I think that's or sorry in a uh outer worlds but I think outer worlds just Outer worlds probably doesn't fit that it would it would be it would be odd to see I also would love to see more npcs In outer worlds 2 I feel not npcs. Sorry team members There was something about the team members I really liked in outer worlds, but I also felt that they weren't they only had one or two quests and then it was like It it sounds weird, but it was just like they're done and now they're just on the team and I didn't I want more into their lives because some of those guys are really Not pavarti. What's her name? Um It is pavarti. Is it pavarti? Yeah. Oh, she's so Another thing to baldur's gates, uh credit was uh, the the Companions were so involved in a lot of different parts of the story and different reactions. So like Pretty much everything. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's very cool to see that obsidian's got their own I don't know what the term would be. It's always had its own vibe, but it's got its own fandom Personally myself. I also go back and and like their games as well But they've got their own sort of thing They're known for and I I see a lot of people hoping avowed is skyrim and I am exactly anti that I'm hoping avowed is whatever Obsidian wants to do. Yes, even about you know, I exactly I don't want it to be sky No, they're different beasts man, and it's okay. That's That's what excites me is playing outer worlds then playing starfield to me. That's magic instead of that overlap where you're like Well, yeah some of this you know what I mean where it just feels miles morales spider-man-y where yeah it's it's two things that sort of overlap from each company, but Yeah Pavarti is probably one of my favorite Npc's at not ever. Yeah, she's awesome. She's up there. Yeah, she's up there. Yeah. Yeah Maybe starfield should have asked them to write the npc's i'm just joking anybody who likes that stuff. Come on. Calm down We're all having fun. Let me look at the super chats next super chat is Gem f5404 two dollar super chat. Pavarti is my all-time fave companion or there we go. Wholesome. Yes, wholesome. There we go That was the difference abzi. You just stated starfield's characters are a little bit. Um, nobody's good bad, but That's also the truth is even when they're good. They're not wholesome like pavarti was does that make sense? Yeah, they're not they're just 100 They're just there. Yeah. Yeah, they're like milk toast a little bit I think andreja was like the most interesting to me She was a little bit milk toast, but she had some more interesting quirks and personality stuff going on Yeah, I liked some of their little story plots. I wasn't a big fan of sarah. Sure I don't know why no, I didn't like sarah, but I love that voice actress, but yeah initially I was liking her a lot Because I think you were referring to her as well about the character model. It looks great You know, they did a great job with it. No, I was referring to the one I called alli hondro last time in abzi Yeah, you know both of them look great, you know sarah's you stole all right from final fantasy 14 No way Really? Yeah. Yep. Ah, there we go. Mommy cat girl best cat girl is stola. All right Yeah, and that's why I was like more inclined to like be like, hey, you're the you know, you're a hey girl But then she got too annoying Alli hondro, that's what we're Yeah, it was so funny because I said I knew it was wrong, but I couldn't remember because her name's amazing Yeah, it was a very genuine moment. Yeah Yeah genuine. Yeah, that's what we'll call it But yeah, it was it was cool to see those kind of characters in there But sarah you were saying that you sort of liked her first. Did it fall apart? Did you yeah, yeah, yeah as I got to know her more it was kind of like yeah She is this type of milk toast you know very But kind of Very judgmental as well, you know, it's kind of difficult the moment you did anything. That was a bit grayish She got like very difficult to Discuss your point of view with her dude, and you know, it's so funny because no matter what They'd be mad at you sometimes for no reason and you're like seriously at least one of them Yeah, but like yeah, but like obviously said nobody hated or nobody loved let's say lock picking But you can guarantee everybody hated it Right, like there was it just felt like it was steered a different way In starfield the game. Yeah in starfield Was like the best part of the game No You said nobody on your team loved it as in when they were with you they would get mad or like doing it like bad Like their reactions and stuff to it. Yeah, they were always negative in that way Rokas does things five dollars super chat acg looks like he's having a conference Abzi looks like he's moving house and johnny just looks like johnny. Thank you very much I don't know what that means, but I appreciate it. All right, and that is pretty much it I do look like i'm having a conference because that background that for a long time people thought was real and I was like Listen, my background was my house and it was that big I would uh, probably be driving ferraris around because I don't know why but this looks like a map Anybody who has like an office look at that imagine having that floor space just like dude the vr you could do Yeah, he's so good. Oh Great ape says have you guys checked out the last train home? Oh, yeah, i've seen it, um, it looks very very interesting to me I i'm just hesitant on Getting it yet because i've been looking at reviews and seeing what people's issues are with and I think that would bother me a little Bit but I love love love love the premise of it. It's kind of like Um, you go on tactical missions kind of a little bit like commandos except apparently the tactical portion of it. Isn't that deep? Um, it's very shallow apparently or it gets like shallow Apparently that's from their views, but you do that But you also have like your base which is a train That you you know, there's like I think resource management stuff like that What I what I didn't like what I wanted it to be is more of like an ongoing Forever type thing. That's what I want in these games, but it's like, you know, you do a couple chapters and you're done um So yeah, I I like I want games where like you keep you keep upgrading your base forever. Yeah, right, right You feel like there's a constant some constant surprise when you come home For sure. Yeah, well which which which speaking about that against the storm is coming out soon and it's not totally like that Or amongst the storm or something it's coming out on game pass and it's 1.0 release and that game is really really sick it's like a roguelike kind of you go in and it's like rts where You you gotta like have food and proper supplies and stuff like that kind of like a mini village builder in each instance Which all upgrade like a central thing It's a really really cool concept and I think you guys should check it out and wish list it because it's coming out soon I totally rep that game. I saw that. Uh, I saw previews of the last train home There were a couple people who wanted me to cover it, but I just it didn't didn't I don't know why Just didn't do anything for you. Yeah Um, you know, it's giving me frostpunk vibes, which I did like kind of I love frostbunk and i'm excited for the second one By the way, I realized there's a game we haven't heard about in so long and it's kind of it's more along the lines of Those games it's made by the people who made, you know talking I gotta get my dog Yeah frostbunk and uh, what's the other one? Um, um The this war of mine and stuff. I think it's called the addlers or the ant something like that and it's and they showed us just like a group of people or like a family living in like a Massive moving vehicle and you know, you have to like it's kind of like this war of mine where you have to manage your people Um, and we haven't seen a single gameplay trailer only that one teaser trailer. Wait, wait, wait, you're talking about You're talking about the big wheeled vehicle and the guys the clones I want to see more It's clones. It's not a family clones not family clones. Yeah, I don't know I know exactly what you're talking about because I want to see more on that game. Yeah. Yeah Uh, what were you saying johnny? Did I interrupt you? I apologize No, I was just going to mention they are saying in the reviews of the last train that it is like This war of mine mixed with frost. Uh frost blank. Yeah. I just saw something that said that's what it tries to be But that it didn't work out. Yeah. Ah, it's not so deep apparently and it's tactical like I was I really like deep tech like desperados and stuff how they thought you when you play through like desperados or like the the asian one or like the commandos you feel like Everything is graphic crafted so perfectly Where where you can you can think of a solution yourself? You know and try stuff that might work and it's very very tactical. Um, and I love that shit Next what was the name of the one you were talking about right now? Sorry, because I don't remember the name Yeah, I don't I don't know the name. Oh, i'll i'll find it for you It's the same creators as frost bunk and stuff. They make a lot of good games. They're making the thaumaturge as well Uh the 11-bit studios where I saw their track record and it's just ridiculous what they've made and the game is called drum roll, please It's called uh, all the altars the altars They made the invincible as well and frost bunk 2 and uh frost bunk children of morta, which I love Moonlighter this war of mine like they've been all over the place, dude Um, okay coming out in 2024 No date yet. No date yet. Yeah, sure. Yeah, and we haven't heard anything or seen anything. I I I haven't I haven't checked that one yet I see previous work. Um moving on from there flip cup says I wanted johnny's thoughts on steam deck oled. I know he gets he got his last week curious if he's enjoying it So Okay, it's my first experience with the steam deck. I I love the comfort of it. It's much bigger than the switch So I don't get the cramping of fingers when i'm using it Absolutely, even if i'm lying on my back on the couch or or my bed I can use it for quite a while And not need any accessories or anything it's pretty great, but what I would say I'm still trying to get used to the trackpad although I love the Clickiness like the thing that it does the reactive you know The haptics when you move, I don't know what magic that is, but there's an awesome click to it as you're like circling on it uh, but the travel isn't that big so if i'm trying to like Rotate the camera with that right? Usually I need to do like two swipes, you know Yeah to do like the full length. You can probably that makes sense, but I could be wrong. I can probably adjust it That's just like the default So i'm still trying to get used to that But I would say the the buttons feel pretty good the joysticks Not as good as some other controllers that I use like, you know, the elite or some other kind of more Sturdy joysticks, but uh, it feels Great to play on that screen because it's a beautiful, you know crisp Image even though it is low res On that screen. It looks really good the games that i've been playing. I've been playing Dave the diver and their lilies so some indie titles there and then i'm also playing some uh mankind divided on it And they all look fantastic and they run pretty well so Ori and the blind forest also looks great on it So it's been a great machine to play While taking a break from the computer if I just want to like, you know Lie down a little bit and play a game. It's been a really good I feel like we're one step away to one step maybe 1.5 from a battery that can actually do well And that's what i'm so excited for. I just want to see right I just want to see them be like this battery can play A game for let's say five or six hours would be would be stunning to me would be especially because if you stream with moonlight Or whatever you can easily get 12 on the g deck or whatever. So it's like Obviously those aren't comparable because i'm talking about if you go on a trip, which I just went on on a trip with my handhelds and I got a good amount of hours, but I was still at that point where i'm like Damn it, you know, I just it would be great to have a little less of a worry when it gets to 20 I think it's sitting around Close to my dual shock, uh, not dual shock. Sorry, uh Dual sense the ps5 one. Yeah where You know, it's in the vicinity of four hours something like that depending on how i'm using it and what i'm doing with it but it is Sadly, it's short enough that It's always present in your mind that you're gonna have to be charging After your gaming session or you know, there's a good chance Yeah, one more one more try I think is what we really need and you know to get a battery whatever technology they come It's just it's gonna be so awesome because all of these Even the one I have with the biggest battery even the g deck It's in your mind because let's say it's good on streaming. It's like oh, this is good So it's still on your mind though Even if you like the amount of battery it's in your brain brain because it's such an issue And it would be great to not have that be the issue At least that's so prevalent because I don't know if you guys remember but people were celebrating That it just went to two and a half hours and you're like, wow, we're celebrating that like that's where we are Like that's how bad batteries are that we're celebrating that of all things like we're fucked So, yeah double that minimum if not more is what i'm hoping for the next and then of course apus will get better At you know their their ability to control. Um, yeah the heating the thermals all that kind of stuff and power So it's awesome to see the I mean, there's just so many now That it feels like the switch like you said is just too small but but the satisfy Controllers on the switch is great But yeah the screen like i'm playing on the legion and when you get a screen that big My brain like I said that one time just lets out the satisfaction Like I swear to god my eyes just sighed in relief. They were like, oh So nice one sec. Yeah, no worries So, uh to see that so it's it's gonna be cool to see this next version I know they said steam deck two is gonna be a long time, but we'll I think we'll see You know, obviously, do you know if it's possible to add like? Uh Game pass games at all. I guess you have to like install windows on it You would have to run stuff like that. Somebody's figured out a way to do that I know when I had it originally you couldn't do game pass but I don't really there if you were talking about like cloud streaming and and That kind of stuff. Yeah, or yeah or any workarounds. There's a way now to work around it yeah, but because because you could can't you open a browser and then do like Game streaming or something anytime. There's a browser you can use Xbox you should be able to use xbox on a browser just because you know, so I guess that's worth a try Maybe yeah, the one nice thing about the windows ones is that because like yesterday I was running voice that's just with my legion And I was sitting back playing a game. That's cool. Oh, dude. No, it's beyond cool. It's voice attack on the legion is Do this a week ago because I was already loving it I was finally getting in tune with like how it felt the battery life what power I wanted to use for games And I started using voice attack and I was like next level dude. You can have it do windows commands You know windows is fine on the legion It was an issue on the wrong, but it might be the screen was a little smaller But yeah, it's going to be cool to see the battery tech come along. I can't wait. I think that that's Once that happens man. Oh, yeah Uh, let's see Uh next up Rokas says are reg and silver ever coming back. I love the segments they had on indie games Um, yes silver was on friday before last if not last friday. Uh, he just was sick today Reg we're gonna try to get reg on but reg he wanted to come on And I haven't talked to him since then but he did want to come on um Because he had a downtime and he was doing a vacation from his game making but yeah, he wants to come on. I just I'll talk to him again But yeah, but reg just for sure made it clear that making a game is his thing like he he was very nice about it He was like dude, i'm gonna definitely yeah, he's very focused and it's really cool because I hadn't seen him this driven about like I don't know a specific project or something in the past. He's done stuff like You know his router firmware and different things like that But this time he was you know Just full on it was awesome. It's absolutely right because I would consider the term apathetic To be him on anything that wasn't games like work He knew how to do true and so therefore was like I know how to get it done. He would get it done Yeah, and so that was just the way oh this game. I don't love it. I'm not going to play it He was apathetic. He didn't want to finish it He wasn't like all those things but he liked games but then when he started talking about making a game And sort of diving into code it was a completely different thing and it was like that that was awesome to see. Yeah It was sad that He's organizing something that I don't know if we can talk about but um, I don't want to talk about a creation Yeah creation thing. I want to talk about it when he's ready to talk about it and wants to come on uh One cool thing is that um, i'm gonna be making some music for that too so that like people can use so i'm just like I think his big issue is like anybody who creates something you guys have been excellent I want to make sure i'm definitely not talking about podcast people but You get people who are interested for a bit and then they fall off and Like we've talked about when the hard part of programming comes up The the brain guys are like bye i'm not good at this and when the fun part ends when you have to like ends Yeah, yeah, and he's done a good job. It sounds like most of of what they've got set up I think they got people who like the fun part but are also good and will stick around during the Not so fun parts, you know, yeah, you always get that it's Awesome to see so yeah, he'll definitely come on and uh, we're working on some stuff together but he's I mean Like whenever anybody's driven like that I do I just sort of i've always been the person to be like i'll step back on that Who's coming on reg? Yeah, but we were just talking about how when he was apathetic towards he was good at his job So he's apathetic towards it. It didn't drive him because there was no reason to worry and he was happening He played games, but he wasn't like You know, he played royale, but it was it was like his thing But there was no real drive and then when I was talking about making a game It was completely different He was just and like johnny said you could compare it to when he programmed his own router software where I was talking Yeah every two minutes. He's like, dude, I just fucking you know, and he'd tell you got this new thing in there He wrote his own router I don't even know if that's technically difficult. But from my standpoint when somebody says they wrote their own router software i'm like Yeah, yeah, that's okay then. Yeah. Yeah, you're pretty talented because there's no chance in hell I would even know how to start so um I'm glad I sold my lcd deck got an oled That's very cool. Johnny will be collaborating on it too abzi or no. Oh, he's talking to somebody else Sorry, I thought he was he was asking abzi a question. He wasn't. All right So let's move on to the next thing gta trailer so coming out on the fifth Right trailer of a trailer God, please don't do that. No, no, no, please don't do that to me. So we're getting the trailer anybody in chat what do you want to see from gta 5 and You guys in here Are we expecting? What type of trailer? trailer Good question Cinematic teaser cinematic. Is it gonna be here's fucking gta suckas? Yeah, it'll be like uh the introduction to the the world maybe the characters and that's it won't be like, uh, uh, they don't do the gameplay overview of like the Features here are the things you can do Yeah, that that is usually the second or third trailer The first trailer is usually like you are going to be playing in like, you know, florida or whatever they go But I think they tend to show some of the gameplay. Don't they like the way they show in the first ones? Not necessarily. No not in the first ones. Okay, I thought they yeah and gta 5 first one They didn't and I I thought the first thing I remember from gta 5 was showing How they were switching between the characters. No, I don't believe that was later. I do believe The first gta was literally just los santos. Yeah. Oh like uh, Just like like a title kind of yeah, like seeing npc's walking around and seeing like the different. Uh, Yeah, okay. Well, let me just say what I hope I hope we're all wrong and it's like motherfuckers. Here's what you can do Yeah, I hope they just show us a playthrough of the whole game from start to finish that much. Come on Don't be such a smartass, but I mean wouldn't it be cool if they were like, hey, here's some of the things you can do In this game. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah, or like or like they show us the uh, the How how gta has evolved as a whole like this is the newest stuff you'll be expecting. Oh, that would be cool I don't know if it was one of you guys who talked about a female protagonist or something. Yeah, that's A female and a guy. Yeah Yeah, that's has that been confirmed Well, I mean it's in the footage that's been leaked. Um, and also it's really There's like emergent ways to like rob stuff and it's really cool really really cool how you can Somebody else's on robberies and there was a leak and I think it was fake But there was a discussion about her having a baby and like what it would be like a single mother Is it that was something? Oh poor disco lesion devs I think they're they're just not going to make another game But there were rumors that they were gonna their next disco lesion game was going to be a pregnant woman Yeah, I think that was the story right pregnant pregnant lady She'd be like I in my head. It's like a pregnant lady who smokes or some shit like just like completely Oh, you mean anti-white trash? Yeah, damn dogs. Um, Yeah, I would say for gta trailer. You're probably more right another thing I wanted to talk about a little bit is because people have been talking about ai use in games And we know for a long time That people have used ai to test a game at night. They go home it runs tests and stuff But I was thinking that we saw them use. Uh, we saw chat gpt used for the npc's in gta Do you think do you think they'll do any because they're big enough to ignore what a lot of people will bitch about Do you actually think they'll be using any ai for anything? Like that's that's noticeable if that makes sense like something that big maybe even their own database for ai And why are you guys talking? I'm gonna let you know. I mean the ai solutions are gonna reverberate Throughout everything whether people notice it or not. I think um, anyone would be stupid not to use ai in some capacity. Yeah But what specifically are you thinking Nothing specifically Nothing specifically because I I think actually it would be surprising if they do use it because it hasn't because ai Is still pretty early on in terms of demonstrating You know, it's used in games. I think it's it's no, I mean We've already seen I mean procedural You can say proggen is a is a is kind of like that if they use machine learning for it I don't know if there's like good examples, but like in the development process i'm sure Or do you do you mean like something you can see facing? Yeah consumer facing. Yeah, that's what johnny's saying Yeah, let's think about prompts and that type of stuff Well, i'm not even saying prompts i'm saying a noticeable stuff Like let's say they train their npc's on their own internal just like you said with outer worlds. They train it They train their npc's why by the way We saw this with legion where legion they took the voice actors voice boxes and they did scan them And then they were able to adjust the audio up and down to have npc's all have their own voices and stories Yeah, true I guess that's a good example actually Yeah, just something. I mean they just seem big enough that if there's any company that's going to do it without You know a worry Because they know people if it's a good game people will get it Anyway, I was just sort of walking it through and seeing like yeah, like somebody just said idle chatter would be cool But they did a lot of idle chatter in the original, right? I mean it's not enough the thing is they they have enough devs to just Hard code all that and make that is true. Yeah for all that. That is true I think that this is a good conversation that's gonna come up a lot though A lot is that people just do not understand That behind the scenes ai has been used for a bunch of stuff whether it be front facing or not and They're it it it's just a thing already Or we know for testing for all that kind of stuff But a game like gta or let's say another game that maybe doesn't have the money to hard code all that Where they start looking at, you know processes? I Haven't talked about it other than to you guys But the wow voices that we talked about where they took Has anybody bitched that somebody didn't hire actors to go back and voice imagine a martyr hiring Actors to voice every single question. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just wondering if that's become a complaint because I haven't seen that yet I haven't seen that yet, but i'm just i'm i'm just like That's when you know, you're in the weeds when somebody said god the most sorry thing ever like Poor v8 actors man. No, like somebody get really mad that darth vader gave his voice up Um, what's his name? James earl jones has stated that he's done with vader yeah, and I saw voice actors saying it shouldn't be his choice and I don't agree blah blah and I was like, uh, voice actors are I know never mind. I don't want to start a thing Yeah, never mind because a lot of my friends but it's just it is a thing where I think you're getting Just like let's say if I was a writer And Ai let's say ai is getting better and better at that and you start to worry Maybe you do rpg flavor text and ai is getting better and better and you start to worry I think that's where it's going that people are putting their foot down. No, that's 100 a valid worry Which I think is gonna like it's definitely gonna happen sooner or later probably much later, but uh stuff is gonna happen, but I Feel like to me personally the positives are gonna outweigh the negatives in the in the in the near future where where um Indi devs can can utilize stuff that they would have to pay a lot of money. Otherwise that they don't necessarily have Yeah, and then do we know where it's based? Do we know where gta 6 is based? Do we know the city? florida, miami beach, I think and uh Some some people showed maps according to leaks and stuff and it looks like there's gonna be like the city But there's a huge like, um forestry and shit like that like a lot. Oh, that's cool Yeah, I always love when they have a forest area Yeah, i'm saying i'm excited for gta 6 I mean not not to the point to where i'm invested in if it fails But I just i'm really excited to see the tech and how far they're gonna push Simi, you know the the weird star game baby side stuff Yeah, and are you gonna be you know, if you're mountain biking like the old game are they are they adding new activities? What activities what sports did they have when you first got it? They had tennis tennis mountain biking golf Did they have they didn't have basketball, right? They did not know they didn't have they didn't have basketball. What if there's a full let's say Half court basketball game in that or something You know where you can hire and you can go onto the street and get people and be like, you know Check out their stats. That would be sweet. Yeah. Yeah um Let's see Huge f and swamp is what I need. There are mountains in the leaks probably georgia Uh, didn't troy baker try pushing something about copywriting? Yeah, troy baker was early in a weird way. Troy baker was uh was talking about having his um, His voice turned into an nft. It was actually I mean it came off really bad, but it's like It's it's like Yeah Yeah Oh, sorry, I thought I cut you off. Uh, it's just funny to me God, I don't I really don't want to be controversial. It's not it's not that controversial But there was all there's a huge before the ai craze there was a huge thing outcry from like, um other vas where there's like a Little group or a clique of voice actors that would always get all the jobs Yeah, that would wouldn't let other vas work or whatever or that you know what I mean? I don't know what it was. It was like a coalition or some shit But now like It's all against ai. Yeah, it's all against. Yeah. Hey, what your enemy enemy and my enemy is my friend, right? Sure Yeah, it's it's gonna happen with all things. Somebody said bowling and you're right bowling was in gta Right Your cousin and cousin Yes, and the strip club stuff in both strip club Yeah, where you of all the things I think I would remember That mini game where you talk up the girls and then get their numbers later and shit. I do remember dating in four yeah, and like going on dates and getting their numbers and talking to them and It was fun like in gta online uh, my friend had like a yacht from like a ceo thing and then we would go to the strip club and um, uh Get like friendly with the strippers and then get their numbers and then we could call them to our yacht and have a little party So that's what I was gonna say You know how a lot of stuff was in online and wasn't in single player in gta 5 now because of just how everything you have All the the side missions stuff you can do in online. My hope is that all that's in the single player in this one Yeah, and my hope added Yeah, and my hope is like they hired 5m. We know that they're gonna do some rp stuff, but my hope is also same as you is Not just restrict rp stuff to the multiplayer and have way more role-playing elements in the single player, which I think they will because Um the stuff you can do in gtrp right now Far like in the city and like how you can interact with different items, albeit obviously it's like mods. So it's not like perfect Stuff like it's like still like some janky ui stuff. But like the the way you can interact with the world is far Far greater than the normal game. So I really hope they bring that shit in for sure And then somebody said hockey would be cool surfing Yeah Yeah tung fu do people play hockey in florida? I mean, there's a hockey rink somewhere everywhere, you know, just because of how it's done So they could easily have a side mission where you join a hockey group to you know Find out if the mafia is paying for the people to throw the games, you know, it's gta they'll figure something out They'll be like there's a reason why this works. But here's what I want fucking Alligator steeds You're in florida. Oh steeds. Let's yes Let me ride an alligator down the center of town and eat people with that fucker, man I want to or an alligator minigame or a theme park minigame where you get to make your own park, dude It's gta who knows what like those guys could easily say We're gonna allow you to make you know, you're a mob you're in the mafia or whatever You're in this group and you have some extra money. So let's oh dude a mission where like you have to lure a mafia also To the swamp and then have a crocodile eat and there you go man, yeah, so Yeah, i'm i'm excited to see how they handle the rp But i'm still i'm not in a disagreement abzi, but i'm i'm I don't know man I sort of don't want the rp stuff the reason why and what I mean is yeah, I don't I don't want to be a cop why I don't want to be a No, i'm not capturing with interaction with the world But what other would that interaction be in the world what do you mean just like red dead stuff like the sitting down having drinks and That's far beyond what you were describing with the with or that's far less than the rp stuff That we see in the rp game that you're describing though. The rp guys are doing cops And the old gta's you can go into like a cop car or whatever and like become a cop for a bit I'll be it's just like a little mini game, right? Yeah, or you can go into like a taxi and become a cab Yeah, you could be a I I think you could Man, are we talking three or even prior because it's been a long time city I think vice city you could do that and remember of course san andreas had everything right san andreas was what yeah three cities And you know that that blew it out of proportion. Um insane, but I I guess i'm just Yeah, I don't know man. I don't know the time waster stuff. I I just have to see how it all plays out I could be totally wrong. Yeah. No, I I just love yeah a lot of sandbox stuff I don't know how also we got to think about how That would affect the story and like what it would mean to those characters And then the other question I have is do you think it'll be like helicopters jets? You know You're still going to be flying over the top, right? They're not going to remove the air stuff, which was a big deal from probably not right. So Oh, dude, swamp boats With the big fans. Oh, yeah, let's do it. Let's go Oh dude like those with the yeah with the fans from Where they go where he goes and visits that family and they're like cousin cousin dewy or whatever. Yeah, I like that kind of stuff Awesome, right? Yeah, it's going to be awesome to see but I also have a feeling everything i'm guessing is wrong And they'll do something surprising which I think is even cooler I have a feeling everything I say will once I see it i'll probably be like, oh Their idea is better than you know, my idea except for the sports. I would like to see some Surprises, right? So it's not like yeah, what i'd like to see the most from the rp side as well is like, um, you know Not a mission where you do a heist, but you do a heist you make a you decide to go on a heist Yeah, that's what I decide to rob this bank. Yep. You decide to dynamic like in a way dynamic emergent Sandbox like stuff like that for sure So maybe like heat but in or maybe like mafia 3 mafia 3 actually Had some cool stuff where you were hacking telephone lines and stuff But if you find a bank in the game And then you're able to go in and hack the alarm system and then the next day you're able to hire people And it sort of feels like you made it. Go ahead. Johnny If you could like plan heists Where you imagine if you have like almost like the mind place thing, but physically csi. We have a board Yeah, where you know you have like location you plop in what that location is Method, you know, like maybe yeah, I get you Yeah, you kind of like put together how you're gonna do it on the board you get the right crew for it Then you go out and do it, you know that type of stuff would be awesome. Then the next question And probably the most important Is it gonna have online day one or do you guys think it's gonna do like what? You know sort of like a is that an important question three months later No, it's not important to me at all. I just figured I pretend because I don't care about the online But I know people will want to know They they love for you to like return and double dip and all that. So it's probably like Coming later. I just hope there's a PC version like when console day one is released like day one PC day one PC version Please Day one people. Oh, yeah So somebody said google the surfing link. So maybe there may be surfings in there. So surfing would be great all the activities I love so you said somebody said hockey. I actually just think Imagine a mini version of nhl hockey in those is what I mean So not just the activity but like going and finding your friends What if the people that are in the storyline all have a stat for hockey? You know and you're able to like Yeah, like yes like the arenas, right So dude, you call up you find nico, even though I think nico supposedly dead, right? I can't remember it. I think in five He's dead in five he hints that he just got off the grid. No, that's what yeah got off the grid So yeah, but imagine calling those guys up calling characters up from the other games and they can play hockey or basketball whatever whatever sport I I think that would be cool to dive a little deeper into the mini games and have them have them Yeah, absolutely. Do you remember final fantasy 10 the blitz blitz ball? Yeah, it's ball just like a big side game like that Yeah, like most nps in the world that you would talk to they like many of them also played blitz And they had their stats so you could you could get them to your team, you know, like That'd be awesome. That's fun. That'd be awesome. Also, I I'm just guessing on this I personally believe there'll be some kind of companion system And I actually do firmly it won't just be the other character I don't know how that'll go, but I don't think heists if you hire somebody for a heist They're just going to do heists. I don't know why but I feel like there's going to be you know Do you remember was it saints row you could hold up? And you could call neighbors to come help you if you were in your gang area I think it was saints row where you could do that You could get other people to help you. I feel like that would be cool if they had something like that Because in a lot of gta games I end up getting in fights by myself against everybody You know, so it's like five stars and there's helicopters and satellites lasering you and you're just like, oh my god It would be sort of cool to be you know Call up and get different styles of help like you could in the other games, but even more. Yeah Um blitz ball usable theme park airboats. Yeah, I think we can all agree airboats would be very cool blitz ball What else what else do we got for gta? I Hope uh, I hope the writing's still really really good and we got a very impressive character writing like we did in red What do you think red dead's writing is better than four or do you think red dead's writing is better than five? Yeah, but that too I think is the best, uh for me for rock star writings. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense All right, and john you played them. All right, is that do you think red? Go ahead abzi you were you were there's something to be said about making a story that is a cliche story, which isn't like a Very unique thing but in such a good way that it's it's a very very good story, right? They didn't do anything special in the plot but the way they did it was just Do you know how you show true strength is by not using the gap and making it good there, but by going right towards A trope and being like we're gonna re we're gonna write ourselves out of that and they did that. Yeah, that's a good point 100 I think the biggest strength for me That they've shown in prior games is having characters that are Very well balanced in the sense that they have a very high proficiency on like one thing, right? But then that is balanced out, but they're by their inability To be For other things so you could think about michael from gta 5, you know is very competent in what he does, right? The trade of like high so whatever you want to call it uh, but then completely unable to have a domestic life or you know All this type of stuff that makes it a good character to me because it's you know, it's relatable on that side But I love the proficiency in characters that are good at what they do So that brings up a question relationships girlfriends boyfriends other friends friends with benefits Yeah, we think they're gonna have like will they do that? I hope so and I hope it's more meaningful than the you know hump in the car And eat a burger together and we're done, right? Yeah. Yeah, I would love to see relate I don't know how it would be done and how they would do it Yeah dating would be fine too, but I don't know why I think go ahead Not sorry. I cut you off. I just got excited I that's I just got excited too. That's why I was like, it would be so cool to have it somehow a domestic simulation That was going on, you know Just a baby domestic one and you could you could like figure out how to launder money to get it to them And that they could you know buy a different house you could buy house because the thing I liked about the games I like them all is that especially online you could buy different apartments and stuff But you're always alone Even when you're with friends it's all about just you doing this thing and the idea of having a little baby simulation where like If you want you can get married or whatever. I mean, I know that's completely crazy I just think it would be funny if they were almost like at the mortgage level like you're figuring out that Yeah, yeah where you're consistently trying but what were you gonna say? You were getting excited. I I was thinking you know how michael and um What what was the other guy michael the guy franklin and uh trying franklin franklin Yeah, like michael and franklin have a a relationship. That's sort of like a disciple type A dynamic which I really liked. Yeah, but I think you know thinking about relationships what if you had like a Male female or you know, it could just be gay as well, but whatever like a romantic relationship between two protagonists That also plays a role into you know, the story itself. So it's like their involvement Complicates things in a way too in in an interesting way. You know what they haven't pointed out What if those two characters are in that way? What if those two characters are rela- you know, you get the guy in the goal because we know there's a guy and a girl That would be hilarious of his bonnie and clive kind of stuff that kind of stuff It's always fascinating to me to see I mean in the end Oh, yeah matter to us right simulation will die out and we'll we'll die as well Like it's not going to matter to any of us, but it's always cool to sort of investigate Have you been have you guys been reading anything else? or watching anything base science life I've i've been watching Justified quite a lot. That's kind of the main thing there I also watched uh The new season of american horror story. I don't know if you guys ever which the hell there's a new see There's a that's 16, right? 16. Yeah, it's uh, so this one is kind of like Mini episodes so it's like short stories if you would say instead of the whole season being oh, it's a within the within the season It's an anthology uh It think of it like black mirror where every episode does its own thing or every two episodes? Yeah, and um, the first story was really cool. Then it really dropped in quality for me, but I really liked the first story Yeah, so yeah. Yeah It's like in black mirror. There's some that are really good and some yeah, it's hit or miss like that. Christmas episode was like phenomenal Yeah, oh the one with john ham john ham. Oh, I love that episode. It's black christmas or something It's like three it's like three stories in one that one dude. Yeah Yeah, so good I think with like black mirror and I don't know about you guys But I was talking to sleep about it a couple days ago. In fact the black mirror I can watch them, but I can't watch Many in a row because they can be a little dire, you know So dire. Yeah, and and this even happened to me watching that orville one of the best episodes ever was the facebook planet And you know their thumbs up and down. Yeah, and their thumbs. I remember that dude, dude every time you see something like that your brain is like Especially because that hadn't it wasn't super cancel culture when that came out But it was still getting there and you're watching it going. Yeah, that's pretty close to Like what we're and then you see it more and you see how quickly he got cancelled for humping the statue and you're like Oh my god, this guy's gonna have his brain rewritten and in a weird way. What is cancel culture? Yeah, I mean there are bad people but it's like when you look at some of these that are occurring you're like, oh shit That's really what's happening is you're saying you have to get in line with everybody else And and it may not be a laser in your brain, but it's like you're gonna lose your let's say your money your livelihood All this stuff in a way that is the same kind of thing. It's just brainwashing it is and it's very Approximate to a lot of things we're seeing in a way like that that could be an evolution. Oh, yeah, definitely I I think with black mirror, um, i've seen one or two and they were both really dark like socially super dark And I think I I have the thing with black mirror I call it the south park effect Which is i'm super on board and loving it 80 into the episode and the final 20 it's just like It either like overstays its welcome or it kind of like doesn't fully land it for me the premise You know what? I mean? It's almost like very often they have a super interesting premise But the execution of it is hit or miss some are amazing but then a lot of them are a little bit like They get a bit tiresome, you know in the end and a bit heavy to watch yeah, and They they also do teach me something though when you do watch it It may not be directly related to my life or whatever, but i'll see somebody react to something I'll be like, well, I don't want to get to this person's point whatever that point may be There's a couple that were so dark in that there was a few. Um Maybe it wasn't black mirror. Maybe it's just Man maybe it was there's a couple shows that have done the future stuff I know like I said orville did but there was another one that also dealt with Everybody being segmented off depending on their religion and it's like us, you know overall we're becoming You know the world that people can travel But this with the reverse and it like locked, you know So it's like this state like let's say oregon can only be democratic and you're locked off You can't even cross the border and stuff. I was like, hey, we ain't we ain't that fucking far away from you know Yeah, if you feel unwelcome somewhere, um, what else we got I think that's about it. Any other questions in chat before we go talking about the double split I watched a cool movie by the way. What is that? Um It was called underwater The name is not very original, but it's christen stewart movie, right christen stewart Yeah a movie from a couple years ago about you know, big bad monster underwater, right? Uh sort of like cthulhu vibes I thought it was very cool. I liked it. I liked the monster. I thought the fear aspect they did with it was really cool I really enjoyed it like when you finally, you know That's like what's going on three or four? Years ago, I think it was yeah the two two three years ago I want to say And I thought that was really good. I love I mean, I love those movies and those stories about you know, giant mysterious Out of this world cthulhu like stuff underwater You know fascinates me and it's always interesting How they tread the line between? Do did they reveal some of the mystery? Because then you also Lose some of the fear factor when you see what's you know what I mean? A lot of these stories from lovecraft Uh, you don't get to see What killed you? It's just like this unthinkable terror undescribable, right That's actually I do agree that it's if somebody wants to occasionally show it or whatever. It's fine but for the most part it's better when it's just unknowable and at the end you're like, okay, well that That happened and there, you know, everybody's sort of touched at the end. You get the crazy people push out. Cool Five dollar superchat suppose you must choose one peripheral to use from now till forever Would you select a controller or a mouse and keyboard? Come on, man. Come on, bro Mouse and keyboard, but I like fighting games and i'm not playing no mouse and keyboard a fighting game Would that not be Absolutely friggin terrible. Oh my god. Yeah, but i'm thinking of playing an fps of the controller and I just want to kill myself Yeah, um, i'll send um, i'll post the link yet to that. Somebody's asking for the link for that, uh science talk Yeah, that guy was awesome, man. He was he was great. Um, I think when it comes to um, Like movies about hp lovecraft and all that kind of stuff Yeah, the ones that do the I mean in the mouth of madness was good though He's the bad guy sort of described what he was doing But all those are awesome. Hey, who knows man once once our once our satellites get a little bit more powerful We start we we find some new bandwidth. There's going to be like an elder thing calling us up being like We won't One day we'll you know, somebody will be like there's this weird signal we're getting from this planet And then they'll just show up man And I will absolutely I will absolutely backstab both of you guys and throw you in front of it while I hide in caves Eating humans sam. I would do the same Too I can respect it. But if I went before you Then how would you do it to me? I wouldn't I would I would get fucked but if I went before you you you would screw me over I would try to mind game you like Because I would like challenge you to go, you know to go to it or something Like try to get me like when somebody said abzi hated everything you'd be like trying to manipulate you or something Come on, man. You're a pussy. You need to go fight it and be like, all right, johnny, whatever i'm heading out and you Be like, haha got his house and his items. Yeah Um, let's see. What what else do we got before we wrap it up? People say they were banned from some banned from youtube I don't know what that means extraction is up there with the raid and the raid two people are talking about Extraction two is awesome Yeah, extraction two is great Um, what if the elder god offers brain upload abzi? Oh, yeah, because abzi was talking about going full vr. Okay abzi I got a question for you like the matrix So gluloth shows up the multi-tentacled elden thing and he shows up and he says all right We're gonna give you vr. But just so you know the entire time you're in this amazing vr. We're slowly eating your feet Would you accept First of all in the real world, uh, do I have the same life expectancy? Am I gonna die? Good question No, you would you would know how about this? You would live out the rest of your life and you would know or you can continue to fight us I'm, not saying they would kill you right away, but they'd say like they capture you let's say because the cool thing about simulations is I can Feel like it's like a thousand years in the simulation while only like 10 minutes have gone by in the real world. So And always looking for now man always looking for now, so so what no no no, but like reframe your question, okay Do I have the same amount of time outside and inside? You have a normal life expectancy, but you can't it's not it's like some matrix Yeah, we'll say you know what we'll say. Yeah, you can change your life. You can you can become a millionaire that kind of stuff You can't change. So I can't have to like do a world right? Okay, exactly. I knew where you're going Yeah, you can't and there would be a simulated world I would I know that it's simulated you would know that it was simulated and You would know that outside of the simulation that numbness you occasionally felt in your feet was them nibbling away slowly eating your toes Do I feel pain in the simulation like if someone shot me in the simulator? Oh if I die in oh, I see If I die in the simulation, is it like I just load a save point? Yeah, since I said you can't add magic where you could still get the same ailments But you could definitely affect your monetary status So you're saying if I if I get shot in the simulation I would die But is the real world just as like the real world is what it is today Let's say it shows up and it says they show up and they're they're capturing people and they're like you have a choice Continue to fight us From this stage. I'm just saying like from what you've said. There's literally zero Positive going into the simulation if it's just going to be the real world. Yeah kind of seems like a shit deal I would choose the vr For what reason well because so your feelings Like touch taste all those would still be there, right? Sure And the idea of a haunting horror multi-tentacle thing chasing you down is pretty fucking freaky like a giant squid Coming after you eating your friends, so i'd probably choose a matrix i'd be like whatever i'd probably because there's because that's a thing That's going to be in the real world. Like it's going to be a thing. That's gonna yeah. Yeah, fuck that I'll go to the simulation. I would probably choose this damn you you you backpedaled real quick Yeah, because I didn't know I could because you didn't understand what i'm saying about inside. Yeah today on the outside They're like they're they're not eating your feet. There's like this invasion going on, right? So you straight up just give into the right this the squid people like just but I mean I have a feeling anybody who took the matrix. It would be a messed up. You wouldn't want to work, right? You'd be like you wouldn't want to you'd probably just I mean i'm not saying you I want to make sure i'm not Pointing out abzi, but i'd say most people just be doing a bunch of drugs and stuff, you know It's like do whatever you can to get out of the whatever the situation is It's like whatever whatever the problem is So you had a million if you had a mill somebody offers you a million dollars or the ability to live Ailment-free till you die so you die of something Let's say you have cancer, but you don't know you're healthy whatever and then you die at the date You would if you if you were sick and could feel it so you could have a million dollars or live until whatever your expected day was and then just die Without that pain, which would you take you can have a million dollars or million dollars today? Or you would just be relatively healthy still age as normal and then whatever day you were going to die because of whatever illness Or even old age you would just die But then I would suddenly die and not know that I was gonna die. Yeah, absolutely. No warning Even if it was a long-term illness See a million dollars is low for sure a million you you would take a million dollars No, no, no, I would take the health. I think yeah see right there's a million I remember when you were a kid and somebody said ten thousand dollars and you thought it was a lot of money A million dollars, right? So it's like a million dollars. Yeah, I don't know man. Maybe but also that's one of my biggest fears is like aging Like kind of becoming fragile gracefully. Yeah, like, you know becoming fragile being in pain and like yeah that Yeah that So if we can remove that I think we're chilling. Yeah, because death itself is like And die Take me, you know, like I didn't mind the years that I wasn't born. Yeah, because you wouldn't know you would just shut off Right. Yeah, you just be walking around you'd shut off and find out that the pork rinds you're eating caused a heart attack You just there, you know, there'd be no pain or cancer riddling body cancer You would just be like Even stroke. I would say a million stretch that it'd be 10 million That's where I would start to think 10 million. Yeah 10 million I could probably Probably get a client. Okay. I give you 10 million dollars right now. What would be what would you change in your life? Oh, that's a good question What would be the first thing you change if you got 10 million if you won 10 million? What do you change in your life? Oh, man So you get 10 We just just stop working. No No, because I would freak I would probably just get a house that was you'd buy the house that's in the picture behind you Yeah, yeah, exactly I would get a house that was a little separated from people a little bit more because I live on a cold set That would probably be my main one. Yeah, that's a good question though. Like what would you just do? Like you're just given 10 million what would be the what would be the first thing you change abzi you got 10 million Uh, no, I would have enough funding to Do projects I want to do and stuff. Would you buy a home though separate like your own home and Like so you could have your own place I know i'm already like I don't give a shit about like a big home like a big crazy. Maybe I mean That wouldn't be like my main Wouldn't be my own home. Well, I mean my own. Yeah, it would be yours I'd buy property, but I don't know if i'd live in it. Um, but I uh, I would definitely um, start like a Start a project that like a company on a larger scale and stuff like that stuff There's a lot of stuff. I want to do that funding would be really nice for allow me to Express my creativity, you know and a larger scope and shit like that for sure. Hey, he's he's trying to one-up me with morals You're like, I don't want morals. I don't care. How is that? Look I want to be as I said, I wanted to get You wanted to be a big corpo. I want to be corpo for cyberpunk I want to I want people to hate me because i'm corpo But then i'd be like, well, I make good gains anyways or something. Yeah, exactly Yeah, as you're calling in from your yacht. Anyway, what about you johnny 10 million dollars first thing you change? Uh, yeah, I would get a bigger place That that's the only thing I can think of Get a nice place in a nice area like you said sort of like You know out of the way, but still having infrastructure feeling guys, I would probably Late at night See a video about dogs and I would probably donate a huge amount to like some dog shelter That was just a stupid amount of money And it would be lost and I would be in so much trouble with my family I just I know I would I would be up late and go well I only need three million. So here's seven million because I do love like there's a like the idea of oh, you know Because you know, you'd have open your own uh, I was gonna say open my own kennel or something where you can take in Oh, like a non-profit Yeah Because you'll see those videos of like some cities where they have A dog problem or whatever and I would see those and i'm like man if I had a million dollars, you know I'd take all I would also want to start I would buy a very nice place and start my own boiler room show where I uh Bring in artists and uh and have them do live sets and cool stuff music and stream it Yeah. Yeah. Oh, do you know what when you said boiler? Do you know what I thought hostile the movie the horror movie where people are killed? Oh my god And he said he said a boiler room and I was like he'd do a torture video Well, yeah, I want to I want to be like the dude and saw and and yeah experiments on last question Hush out ghoul five dollar super chat you live in a simulation yet. You have to give control of it to a person or group Who would you choose and why? Uh, I would give control to Like what like a control of the simulation or like yeah like game devs to make a simulation. Well, no, I think he means like Rockstar. Oh, oh, I see what you mean. Give it to a person or I was gonna say my own mother Because she's always got my she's got She's yeah. Yeah, she's yeah, she's got my back. I was like my dad would try to fuck with me Yeah My dad would be like you're not working hard enough and i'd be like it was 80 hours this week and he's like 120 minimum But my mom would probably be like let's go ride horse Yeah Is that it for us? I think so. I think that's it. All right, I uh, But i'm gonna recheck the thing real quick. You know what I would work. I would go part-time by the way I wouldn't keep working full-time if I got the 10 mil. Oh, chill Yeah, I wanted to bring one little thing up. They showed more path of exile stuff And uh, what's really really cool that this is innovation I really really am liking is um, um So so there is a play style that we saw before of like, okay You hit your it's not like normal arpg where you quickly press one button kill a lot of shit it's not like that because there's like combos and the right growling and it's more like dark soul z and Has like cool cool stuff where you can like synergize stuff, which looks really cool But they showed this gunner class dude And they you can change at any point of the game you can change control from right click to move to wasd And they changed it to wasd and the way the class plays is literally like I was watching the ascent And it was like a twin stick shooter and I was like, oh my god and my excitement like rose a lot And it was literally just like a 10-6 like i'm pretty excited too Uh, yeah, it's it's kind of it's a free game Yeah, and and all the that's awesome stuff you bought in one rolls over but it looks like they're really For for once an arpg that is doing something very new and very interesting And engaging because I am so sick of the same like go around kill a bunch of shit, right? That's one button all the time Yeah, in fact, like you said, oh the story's good in diablo where I like the voice acting it's like yeah We're starting to pick out in those games the other things because the rest is so normal You know, it's like a big skill tree. Whatever we've seen that. Oh, you've got it's all going to play the same Right. Yeah, so the idea of saying oh, we're gonna adjust this up a little bit Is it gonna change it for everybody like that entire scheme is now their new? control scheme and so That's their new game Some people don't like it, but that's fine because they're gonna keep path of exile one going and they're gonna keep giving it Updates constantly so both of them are going to be running at the same time because they're both vastly different games one is like slower and more thought out like challenging and and Uh, you you actually uh, there's more methodical fighting and combos and stuff Like I said, you have to dodge and all that And the other one is the same where you run through a map in half a second and kill everything around you like a normal A rpg dude, that's so awesome that I mean it's easy to ding on devs, but it's like hey We're gonna do something different and may not work right? It may turn out to be shit That's the other thing. Yeah, but there might be a dev who sees that idea and goes Hey, man, that's that's a legit idea Yeah, we're gonna go with that in the future and it could feel totally different which would be I mean I would love that that was like that other game you mentioned that was 2d and then went to the weird viewpoint um, yeah, uh Has still or whatever. I don't know. Well, I I I yeah dropped. Oh god the uh, The link in the discord. Yeah that thing That looked very unique, especially the way they were changing. I haven't seen a game ever try something like that. So, yep um, yeah, and that's uh And the really nice thing about um, so in path of exile one like the issue with like trying to join that game Is that they've had so many? patches and updates and different game modes added to the game and stuff became so convoluted that you need to like watch a youtube video and everything's great and and just starting off fresh like New game and they said they want they want stuff to remain deep like very deep But they don't want to be have it be like convoluted or complex Like deep is good, but they didn't want that crazy like complexity Um where there will still be some but it's not going to be uh, you're not joining something very late in development or right late in the Yeah, where you're just going to be like what the fuck is this and have we seen other holston? Thanks old boy I appreciate it. Oh boy. Thanks old boy Thank you Chat and have a great weekend. Um, yeah, we said we're gonna be done but now i'm interested in something Have we ever seen another game? Do something like that that i'm not aware of that maybe like like Change that it no. No, i'm sort of meaning more on the path of exile thing I know we gotta go because johnny's probably got a piss worth three hours and 40 minutes But real quick have we seen any other game change there? like change that The like the overall scheme of something like that Like update so much that like there's so much i mean other than cyberpunk maybe Yeah, and where where you're talking about changing the entire control scheme So that it might feel like a almost like a different game like playing different classes like feel completely different stuff Because I don't know like no what you said path of exile where they changing it to feel more like a twin stick shooter Have we seen another game do something like that? um Because I don't think we I don't think i've seen I mean I could be wrong and maybe somebody to come up with But I think for a long-term game, I don't know if That's popped up that often or somebody's yeah I don't know of any like sql or something that like went far off differently than the beaten path kind of thing Didn't the old fallouts used to be like yeah, but that's a different dev, right? Yeah, it's different dev like that took the ip that might have been. Yeah, was it inner? Was wait was it different Maybe it wasn't it wasn't bethesda one and two weren't bethesda But bethesda took it for three and made it into something else right? Yeah, because it was fargo, right? Fargo who created the okay. Gotcha. Yeah, but i'm thinking more I guess I should have said more long lines of a service game or something that's continued because to me that's a pretty vast difference Maybe i'm overstating When I see the path of exile stuff, maybe i'm overstating that difference But that seems pretty heady to do as an experiment very different than the path of exile one. I think that's awesome Yeah, it's awesome. It probably turned out like, you know, who knows it might turn out like shit But the idea is cool to see a dev do that Um, anyway, that'll be it. We are almost at four. Yes. Necro. We didn't make it to four just like last time Necro, I think we're four minutes away from four hours when we stop already more than call of duty more than call of duty Plus an hour. Anyway, that'll be it for us. Peace out. Everybody. Have a good week Join a patron if you can if you can't Hope your weekend's good. Are you guys doing anything crazy for the weekend? Oh, that'll be it for us. Bye See you next time. We just continue talking.