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"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

The Sean Salisbury Show

07:53 min | 3 months ago

"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

"Club. Friday and loves the come into club friday with every friday at nine thirty the professor whirlwind day across the nfl. Some chalk some surprising. Let's get the professors insight. John clayton my guy for years sports. Talk seven hundred. Joins us on the sean salisbury shows. He does every week. Johnny let me start here. Welcome in my man. I know we still got a bunch of days left of this but in the first round when you went to bed last night Who left you scratching your head with a what did they do. I'm probably i mean the way. The giants handled that trade that that had me scratching my head. Here's jacob gentleman who's never except for last night Made a trade now and he's at eleven you he wants to and again. Obviously he's a general manager. Who needs to win this year. And he wants to surround is quarterback. Daniel jones was as much as possible. And so what the ended up doing. I mean he ends up trading down given justin field so the chicago bears which was a great move by chicago but in return they got To mid round picks and if a number one pick next year and then they come down and they take xavier's tony a wide receiver. Who is probably gonna be drafted like twenty five or twenty six now remember. This is supposed to be a draft that has according to scott mckittrick and carolina and others. Maybe only sixteen first rounders. I mean you get a clear. Second rounder with your first round. Pick out eleven in john john. What about the raiders. There they always wanna believe your head scratching. I mean a lot of people are saying the same thing about alex leatherwood nine. Oh he's a ballot. I mean a saving guy. five first rounders from alabama. You kind of trust what they do. I guess but it seems like they could have got this guy in the second round. Maybe i mean i know. He's a good player. But the raiders again discuss stuff different that has people wondering what the hell is. is in their thinking in the drafter him. Yeah because it doesn't seem like a plan. Tevin jenkins i've thought would have been a better choice and that's the guy that i think tom cable. The line coach wanted Because he's a little better athlete. Good block at the right side. And whether would i had before the kansas city trade for orlando browns. I haven't going to thirty one with kansas city and clearly. I mean he's got a lows. I got a high second round grade and could have gone in the second round. He wouldn't have made it to the raiders but first number one you take leatherwood over jenkins didn't like that and then number two you come back and You didn't do anything to help your defense you know in the defense is hurting and so You know i. I think jank is what it better choice. So that was a head scratcher. John clayton professor joins us here on the shahnaz show john. What of these five quarterbacks initially in twenty twenty one who's going to the best situation to start and win Well i mean i. I don't necessarily know. Mac jones is going to be able to start and win that job over cam newton You know 'cause he's still think that even though jones is probably the second most equipped to be on the field. But i think he's a great situation because you know he goes to a better team. We can talk about You know what's there for Zack wilson with the jets. It's bad team. Trevor lawrence is the best quarterback. But he's on a bad team then of course you have trae lance. He's not gonna play this year. And so i guess you could say the second best job is probably going to be justin field in chicago but then what you wonder about is like okay. How are you going to sort out the cap mess. That's going to be there. Because i mean you pay ten point five million dollars for andy dalton then came back and you still have nick foles on your roster but he has a nine million dollar base guarantee and so you know. Nobody's gonna wanna pick that up. I don't know if you're going to have to give him away in a trade with like teddy bridgewater was giving away in carolina. So that's gonna be a mess and right now. The bears don't have enough to even signed her draft choices. All right so john wayland maybe backtrack here And i like jimmy. You talked about jimmy. I think he's really solid player. I do i. I think he takes him undue flack because he was on a good team and isn't like the explosive flashy arm but he's a solid player but some people think that he has a ceiling and obviously kyle to or they wouldn't trade it up in essence three first rounders flop in one. You know flip in there with men in the trade and then two other ones a twenty two and twenty three. But you say will lance isn't gonna play this year the first time jimmy garoppolo if lance does well picks it up quickly the first time jimmy throws two picks and they're one in one or one and two to start. We've you and i had this conversation about baker the back in the day and say i. They're gonna start right off the bat you saw. Well it's probably better for them to sit. Do you still subscribe to that. Because if they're playing the same or they're equal traits has to play and no matter what jimmy garoppolo does. This is his last year in san francisco even if they made it to the nfc championship game. He's getting moved also he's doing is auditioning to raise stakes for him. I'm still not convinced he's going to be season starts. Now he'll be there with season. starts now. because where's it gonna go. I mean that's the one thing that they've limited because chicago. Getting a guy at that is the one thing that new england getting their guy. That's the one reason we saying earlier that you could see jimmy coming back because it's limit what we're where's he going now because those were a couple of spaces where we thought. Maybe it moved. John d. pressure in the kyle. Talking about what. We moved up to three to get a quarterback to start. I mean if lance shows those flashes that we believe he has house. Jimmy going to stave this off on a really good team. I just don't seem plan this year because the understand at the end of the season. Cow this off that he says. I like the idea of what kansas city. Did you take a first round quarterback and you sit him for the first year and you know you know that. This is a very complex type of offense that he runs and it takes time to be able to learn it and so You know i. I just can't envision any way the trae lance is going to be ready by the first game of the regular season particularly if he's not going to be involved in any of the offseason program now the offseason program can help him doing. Ot as if he does come in. We'll see how the draft choices handled that. But i think it's a very difficult thing to do. And i don't think there's an urgency there because i think you know they it's not like cal shanahan's fighting for his job when he signed a six year extension and you know that he's gonna be there for a long period of time. I mean he's looking more with lance for two thousand and twenty two and he wants to win now and so You know the one thing that You know kinda tipped off that he might have been the guy. Is that back at the beginning of the off season you know he went to lance and says listen i have a guy john cusack good friend of mine used to be a quarterback in chicago and i i'd like you to train with him and john beck handle him 'cause he fired his trainer and went with him. And you know 'cause you train quarterbacks that's a real important thing and so John belk counted kept him involved and Kept him informed of what was going on. And so in the end they ended up taking trae lance but again taking with the idea that he's not gonna play this year. You make a great point. Because as good as alex smith was and they went to the play offs jimmy. It's almost it's almost eerie. Similar right john that no matter what. Alex did atlas playing the next year. And no matter what jimmy no matter what you. All's it is is to increase. Jimmy's value that if he plays really good football then you can go steal a high second. Rounder a low. I if he plays great football then you still get a interesting. That's an jimmy's prove he can stay on the field to which has been a problem. The last couple of years right. John aaron rodgers. Do you believe that he's.

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"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

The Sean Salisbury Show

04:44 min | 3 months ago

"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

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"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

The Sean Salisbury Show

08:16 min | 3 months ago

"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

"Heading towards our number four on a friday. This is this sean salisbury. Show sports car seven ninety. Oh man guys do this draft. Okay so what do you think today. If we took him privately see every t- heavy mfn into club. Friday john clayton about forty minutes will break down what he thinks and overall a kind of synopsis. This draft what team today wakes up and has the most anxiety over the guy. They took in the draft Most anxiety i would think tennessee. Just because of the just because the health purposes the two back surgeries Outside of that most anxiety. That's it's like man. i mean they. They made the pick taps. Everybody justin feels even most anxiety. Just because there's a lot on the there for the gm and the coach that took him right less anxiety. Because you feel good that you know these big ten country that that he was of the after the first two and in some cases that if you go around the country most people like fan bases kind of like justin fields right and chicago big ten country. What you're saying front office if you're ryan pace and matt nagy right. Yeah jobs on the line and you're investing in this. Were rookies got to save your even kyle shanahan. He's there's still some room there. Why because well he was in super bowl now. I know nagy was to as an as a coordinator but it's been three years removed for him now and and they've missed on the quarterback situation again. So we'll find out if if this is the one. I think that's a good point and i do think tennessee with all their losses. There's some anxiety there being zaire with the jets to just because like your tamala zach wilson's stuff and he's played one great season of college football at byu and you take him to overall and you jettisoned out another quarterback like there's gotta be really anxiety there that if this thing doesn't look good in the first couple of years like the fan base. They're ready to turn on you. In a millisecond. Yeah i think that that may be at the top and you know. I feel about zack. Wilson i think he's gonna be player but a lot of that has to do especially young with personnel and the first sign of a three game. If it's early you know what's happening right here. We go again. That's what they're gonna say without even giving the kid any leeway to do it and you're right through the front office you're sitting back saying okay. We drafted a guy that quite frankly came higher regarded in sam darnold. Then zack wilson right. I mean the talk zack. Wilson was a late bloomer. For them darnold was like. Oh he's armed talent and all that and you hear the same things about wilson. We just started longer about darnold. And i don't think going to be a bust when he goes to his new team but right now the the timing jets was a bust. Yeah we've got more out. It didn't workout. Which by the panthers picked up his option this morning and adam schefter did tweet that they were considering last night taking justin fields but yes and they had a chance to so. There's somebody in that building that thinks that he's going to be well. I would think that they think he's gonna be a star right. If you're passing on five quarterbacks that you think could be well at least the opportunity to draft. What two of them in and mack jones and justin field. So you think you hold sam Sam darnold and some kind of regard but work the jets whether it's the organization personnel coaching sam darnold inability at times to protect the ball but with great upside but we can keep talking about potential. He's he's got put together and they've got to do a better job a coach and he's got to do a better job of making decisions. But i the jets is is. I'm with you. Because robert solace i go round is going to be with a rookie quarterback in new york. And he's got enough pressure as the coach. And so and you already. You're just three years removed from missing on what was supposed to be the best quarterback in the organization's history. Now joe name his most public but the people expected darnold to be that guy right. Yeah even though you may not have the pizzazz broadway joe when you draft a guy third you expect him to be a ten time pro bowler eight time pro bowler and a guy that you just. Okay we're good there for the next decade while it didn't work so now you're looking at okay now. We're relying on another kid to come in and do it. So i think that's a high anxiety. Ridden place all right tyler. On the other side. I would imagine you're team at atlanta. And can even though there's anxiety with the first year coach and jacksonville with herb urban meyer and with et nba draft running back and reunited with with trevor lawrence. They got some leeway there. But i would imagine you're guys in so i mentioned they're feeling pretty good today on the other side of the ridden i would imagine. Arthur smith of he smokes a cigar sitting back thinking i got kyle pits deutz up. Feel pretty damn good about this. When i would imagine. They're one of those teams. This wasn't the first pick of the draft but is sitting there saying we got no anxiety. This is close to camp. Mrs we have. I would imagine. I don't know if you went on saw the fan base On twitter or people. You know tyler. But i have a hunch that they loved the pick correct. Yeah there's the people that still wanna justin fields. That weren't necessarily the big fans of the pick. But i know they'll come around. I honestly think that atlanta is one of four teams where they feel like they're pick was an absolute slam. Dunk convey. don't need to stress. I feel like it's atlanta jacksonville. Detroit with sue all and New england obviously with mack jones. Those are the fourteen where they can sit back. Relax not have to worry about anything else. Everyone else i feel has at least a little bit of concern. Not so much as the guy's gonna pan out but did we pick the right guy but those four specifically i think they can. I'll just sit back and be fine. You know who else has got a cigar. But they're not sure they're lightning just yet and not because they don't think they're going to be a star but because of all the banter about the other guy they should've taken or they thought that people thought they are going to be a star is cincinnati quarterback coming off you draft chase and you say okay. We know he's going to be great. But can we get a alignment in a sack around. Can we answer that. I don't know how anybody can be disappointed with chase. But i would also say the like well the soule end up being. I think there's that. But i think they have just little yet because i know how chase can't succeed with borough. I don't and they're reunited because they were obviously teammates. But i just. I think this was a wise pick i do. And there's probably some arguing so yeah i think we've we've kind of covered and i if you're if you're the miami dolphins you gotta feel good two guys o. J. about waddell. I think so and your senate again. We mentioned earlier set. It feels like to okay. You give to the full run this year. Like gloves off. Let's go in if it looks like it's not going to like be your thing moving forward your acid still to move on and bring somebody else in you know what you have if it if it goes south you have assets and first rounder. That's would be only one full year starting that if you didn't like him and say yeah let's say you finish nine and seven with your team are eight eight and he had a decent year but not what you thought that you that he was the reason you weren't eleven and five. Well then you ship them with a couple first rounders and you go from the seventeenth. Pick to what the forty niners did. And you're sitting in the three hole and whoever else the guy is for next year right so you have that luxury as well. It's it's very good point sports. Talk seven hundred number four. John clayton the professional. Join us in about twenty five minutes here. Thirty minutes and roll through our number four on a post first round draft.

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"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

The Sean Salisbury Show

07:11 min | 3 months ago

"first round" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show

"The best receiver if he's on a team that's got kind of guy or system but you know what they're gonna wanna do in cincinnati and zac taylor is gonna wanna throw it around a little bit Get borough healthy. I'm gonna say chase. I'll say he has the biggest impact. I guess the easiest pick in for for. I feel like they're just going to let berlin a rip like just go in here and just slinging all over the yard. If i'm gonna lose. I want him to get more experience. You know we're not going to be. They started to be competitive a little bit. They gave some people some fits when he was healthy. Why not cut it loose. And let's get him another year of experience of getting back to trust is. Is you know rehab left knee. And let's go man. I i got no problem with it. Getting bad thunders. Picking up sean. Tyler's go on the second. i'm surprised. well it's not there so we'll just have done and fees are you. Are you down your leg right now. No i'm not be relax. Just make sure make sure. I mean you're scared the fear i could say i can hear the trouble in your voice. That lightning's gotcha day coming through the building. You're safe which you got so a lot of people are saying that there was one absolute reach during the draft last night and it was alex. Leatherwood To the raiders. At number seventeen a lotta people said they did not expect when they talked about all the alabama people who could go in the first round. He was very rarely brought up. They were thinking more of a second. Do you think this was the biggest reach. And if not who is the biggest reach full. I think that the saints and i don't think it's a i don't mean it. Local the saints are the he wasn't widely known that peyton put did turn. It was going to be a first round pick right then. You didn't start hearing that until like the late. He was a late charger. No doubt so. I don't know we can look at a of say depending on who they had even though the guy. Maybe we'll take the tennessee titans with farley while a great player i think the risk factor makes it a little bit of a reach. Because you just don't know but he supposed to be a great kid and a hell of a football player will see his back but with the leatherwood situation about guys when we're doing our show. I got a twitter message from somebody wanted to know. Would i think what the raiders were going to do. And i laughed as raider fan forever. I said he said who do you think they're going to get. I said you really want to answer that. Basically as i paraphrase have no idea. It's the raiders. it's raiders. They do this every year every year if they have multiple picks in the first round or what one of the guys is going to be like Or is that really the best player on your board. Compared to everybody else's could you have got him in the second round or traded up in the second round to get. I mean what so. We're i do trust as i trust saving. I trust alabama gay. But i think if he would've changed his name to play there would he'd pride didn't even higher from dear god but they it's leatherwood just sold. That is one of the best. I was thinking last night. I can roll down damn near this whole draft and give you a dad joke for every player same day. So you on that here. Being the i'm telling you. I mean it. It's it's pretty good and i was actually surprising myself. Yeah so pleasure would jumped into the first round and became leatherwood. Have you ever had a pleasure jacket. I guarantee tyler house. Oh hiking guarantee. I haven't right. I've had leather. I'm more of a hoodie guy. Yeah but i could see you in a plethora school members only jacket. You're one of those fighter jackets. But yes yes. He's maverick and goose over. See that tyler also might be might be the guy. The wears this high school letterman's jackets to the club. Oh hell no you go to the marne here. We go after shopping saturday on a sunday. When you're watching. The falcons got falcons hat on. And you're wearing your letterman jacket with your like wrestling. Patch on their your football patch. And your bitch patch if your letterman anytime after you graduate high school. I judge you so hard. You'll go heart autumn judge hardware there. Letterman still yeah. But i i've never had there but i guarantee like tyler i if you go buy a couch would it be leather of flatter. Would you get. I'd be leather. You would you. Would you wouldn't get the plateau where you stick to it when you're wearing shorts and pulls off two layers of skin when you get up when you've been sweating playing video games in front of like you know everybody's done in their life. No saturday got tagged it high-class right the finer things in life man. Yeah so my raiders. The internet guys If we're using the term of value pick. They took him for sooner. I put it this way. I don't think he'd have gone in the first round if the raiders wouldn't have taken him how's that is that answer the question A reach probably. But i'm going to judge his play after watching him. Because i trust savings process. But i hope leatherwood plays leatherwood and everything's good. You feel me. you don't feel me do you. On the shooter yeah. That's a no good. Yeah the law down that. don't go. Watch a wilson phillips concert because you could get lanced honestly could by somebody and that would be the pits. Ninety sports doc. Savage diety shots sounds classic. Chevy sugarland album gonna get through this dude i am. There's nobody better at stringing. Together dad jokes is there can't be but i can tell you where there is no better either. That's classic chevy sugarland you gotta vehicle you want top dollar and you want to sell it because you ready to get into something bigger and better or newer at classic chevy sugarland classic chevy highway six. Jeff tiffany sebastian. 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"first round" Discussed on Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

05:21 min | 3 months ago

"first round" Discussed on Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

"I listen to you. That is all. That's just filling in just johnny backup. That's all hey we're bark you awesome. I appreciate it. I wanted to say man. I i like to stick with trae lance. It was a good sided. Pick because see what. He's the quarterback for the future. Garoppolo is all in all the good green bay. How crazy can you get the data. They wanna beat. I understand he's a mvp. He's a franchise everything not only. Could you get the number three pick. You could have got garoppolo to bridge the number three p. Which is probably would have been trae lance or jones. Whoever they want. I'm pretty sure who don't give out a ton of capital to go with it so now. not only. Do you get a disgruntled employee. Owned going sabotage. Everybody else you got your future lonzo. He's still love sitting in the wings. So i mean it's so many different multiple rage. You took this man. Could could've got aaron. Rottenness my top brady. Paying for it to erogenous san francisco facing offense he kinda five they never even talked deal though. That's eight but you don't really know what winning on that conversation right allen they might say well we got three and they were saying we have nick bolsa to and we need this and i just got to be too expensive to experience but it it. This was a different draft if this was a little bit of a different draft meaning like if there was like this richness of kin miss defensive players. I would then say to myself. If i'm sitting in green bay. A short drafted jordan love. I'd moved that i take that three. Add move aaron rodgers san francisco. Bring me jimmy garoppolo. He now becomes the bridge gap for jordan love because a drafted jordan love to replace roger. The only thing now is going to replace garoppolo in the future. So i still by another year. I still got a veteran to teach him. I can now take that three. If it was a rich defense a draft so you can get like a big time all the edges went late around me a big time do so. There probably was no real value as far as green bay see sees it at three at three is only really the quarterbacks other than that what else is there and now you are could've traded that three picked up. Some more ones know. I would have fleas them. Know if i was green bay because air rogers if correct. Aaron rodgers is that ticked off. You got somebody like mustafa says whether it's directly or indirectly is now toxic in the locker room because he's their employers. No you don't want to be there. so why. Why do i want to be key as somebody who grew up as a raiders fan. You're rogers run the raiders. Because we will be cool. He would him and drawn cars. Cool cars good. Wow car probably only take you. So far where aaron rodgers might be able to take you to the end and i know i know jon gruden back tried to those weapons. He tried to figure it out. They got about six years left on the contract. But they're they're pick by the way at seventeen. Alex leatherwood the offensive lineman really tackle guard. Whatever it is man. He didn't even know. I mean old man when when they made that was loser of the draft last night. It was like a disguise. You got him in a second round persona you a body language guy. Oh yeah so you could tell based on body language and everything. He was like his family like wait. What he can't even stand up here you know he couldn't even stand up. His home was like they look at each other. Like did they did. They say leatherwood lockwood. Mike in phoenix bike ahead by jump in here. Hey king i n j will just wanna say king big. Usc trojan fan from long beach. California i love playing with the trojans man and i just wanted to throw that out there but My question do you guys is what. The heck are my raiders. doing again. Two years in a row are net and feral and now we got this guy named leather wood or something. It's just like. I'm just confused on. What my raiders are doing. It's like i thought we were going to go. You know chairman more rig or are we going to go with that. Awesome guys notre dame coach. Parsons went to the cowboys is like what. The heck are my raiders. Doing guys derek. Jenkins i don't know i don't know what they were doing from a defense standpoint. Because they signed coat miller back. He's eleven tackle. So i don't know what leatherwood is gonna play for maybe moving right. Maybe he's a gore for you. I i don't know what mike mayock can. Jay grew. Jon gruden is thinking about or seeing. I i really honestly. Don't all will be forgiven. If they get aaron rodgers we all see on that. but you know what is all forgiven as the bears. Move up get a quarterback. Let's get reaction out of chicago next.

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"first round" Discussed on The NBA Show

The NBA Show

05:30 min | 1 year ago

"first round" Discussed on The NBA Show

"You remember a couple years ago when they had kind of underachieved they went and got like Marco belly and like Ilias over whatever and the numbers with those guys on the court were unbelievable because Ilias would stay in the corner and would shirt floor they're obviously not good enough but it was just the theory of, Hey this isn't rocket science here how about I go and I have jj Redick, Jimmy Butler, and another guy that could shoot the idea that out brand went in the off season and. Said these are guys and I guess, you thought our who's going to be your power forward and that that would be good together because surely you didn't spend that kind of money on a backup center and then you saw Tobias Harris and thought this is a good I mean it was doomed from the start. It's a bad fit and it doesn't make a ton of basketball you gotta I. Tell You this. If I had been simmons I'd flanked him with four shooters, and if I had Joel Embiid, I'd flank him with four shooters and if I had both -able I, sure as hell with three shooters like this is that. Sometimes, you ain't got to think too hard on this stuff and. I mean that is a absolute debacle and I know Brown's taken eating maximize it. He didn't do a great job but on the other hand, that's a bad mix guys to try to get the win with for sure I mean I pick them to go to the files before the season because I expected their defense to be even despite potential offense struggles I thought their defense would be dominant little lead with Simmons with Horford you know getting back healthy. But it didn't happen. This was not a dominant defense at all despite Simmons bead being who they are. HORFORD has not gotten back to being the guy that he was before Richardson was not the same level that he was in. MIAMI This team did not get the contributions they needed across the roster on defense and they also seem like a disconnected defense obviously, we know about their struggles on the road With Philadelphia men, they need undeniably a guy who can create off the dribble from the perimeter not Simmons Ben Simmons is your guy who is just a major weapon in transition who's a major weapon in the half court attacking off others of short roll pick and roll. But you don't have that point guard who can do that for you. Josh Richardson did not get better from what he was in Miami. He got worse as a Ball Hammer. He got worse as a shock creator do not shoot the ball as well as he did. They haven't been able to find that other guy tried to out with Netto at Burke with Alex burks didn't work out with any of them but they gotta find somebody of said the same of bunch and I'm obsessed with the idea of Chris Paul for them. Whether it's Paul or whether somebody else somebody in the draft, they gotta find that guy who and create off the dribble in the half court enable in order to both space to floor when Simmons and embiid habits but also create for those dudes. Simmons. Also needs a actually spot up and shoot threes. He didn't before he got hurt he didn't do it enough and I'm I'm still occupants he can do it effectively with embiid. And Simmons it can work. It's just hard to build around those guys. This circles back to whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong about it. It's why I ranked. Ingraham ahead of Simmons in the draft to him, he's a hard guy to build around you gotTa have the right pieces you got to have the right pieces to build a get round a guy like that especially when he's on the same roster somebody like Joel. EMBIID. Is embiid himself also as a low thirty percent three point shooter in also is not somebody who rolls hard to the rim. He just doesn't. He just wonder if you waste years trying racing year noted on, say trying to do it and that we're GONNA come back a year from now Kev, and say since hard to build, they get a new coach they just hard to build around those guys they move they somehow find. A landing place for Horford and get you know whatever a quarter on the dollar just because somebody's taking on that contract maybe they find you know place for Paris or maybe they just keep Paris because they've got so much invested in him but they find a place for over and say man it still it's just it's hard to build around these guys now in fairness if I'm a Philly Fan I'm going we had it built. We lost the frigging last shot of the game to the team that won the championship and both of those guys walked away in free agency and you got me Shittier players like you had it. If you roll out there jj reading Jimmy Butler Ben Simmons a Joel Embiid. Now I got one other guy find another guy that could shoot the ball like I've got a team that could play for the championship for real and they had those guys and let those guys walk and then replace them with worst fits you know in in in Horford and and terrorists, and so it it clearly can be done. It can right kid we just saw it I know where they lost but I looked at that and said boy if I could run that back, take another crack at that especially with Kuwa- gone but they just F- that up they that up bad and the first sacrificial lamb is Brett Brown but I'm a Philly fans on this man you gotta clean that out. Those are those are unforgivable heirs to trade all that shit away for Tobias hairs and then give him the stupidest contract.

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"first round" Discussed on The Lowe Post

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06:15 min | 1 year ago

"first round" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"You know I I feel like he's not a guy of watched defensively hell of a lot of I didn't watch Knicks basketball and you know he's been in and out in Dallas I was sort of impressed look I don't I don't think. I think they're gonNA win the you know the sort of Ben Wallace Rim Protection Award but. He gave him a lot and they have Cleveland Porzingas. Now, that's a pretty good rim protection duo. And by the way, which is very well for their future because we know they're going to be a top three offense well. Let's Say Dallas is a series which I think they will I had clip prison six, I think maybe five. Day are set up so well for the future minus the two picks up to the Knicks, which is a little bit. It takes a little bit of equip the the ammo of their trade quiver but they I believe they can trade a pick pretty soon, a future pick like a two years away future pick. But. They have to to stars and like you can quibble his star he's really good and he fits really well with their star. Star and their star star is on pace to be like not one of these Jimmy Butler Paul George he might be the tenth eleventh US player in the NBA top nine in a good season. He's on pace to be top three in the NBA very soon a perennial MVP Kennedy they have all these role players unlike crazy good contracts seth curry to law right who I think it'd be an important piece in this series and was last night. Finish Smith. Cleber, I'm even. On and on and on like they just have so much flexibility they're going to have cap space. They are very sneakily in position to become a real team to be feared for their one move away and everyone's going to say guidance if they get you on a slow like let's say that from the day it's an APP to be honest it could be at any top thirty player in the NBA. They are. They are in position to be really really dangerous for a really long time pending capeeze health. We'll, and you just said it I mean the beautiful thing about which is it doesn't have to be another. It doesn't have to be a super team what he does to elevate frankly mediocre NBA players to a level of. You know. Above decency. Is Alarming and by the way can I just say for and I'll have to say it every once in Awhile I grew up in Atlanta Hawks Fan. I'm just the agenda I just can't freaking under I mean. I'm saying no more Zach I'll say no more I just might. Want to see that traders a win Gina is good. It's not a win. It's now it's not your job the figure out who the generational superstar is right and I mean I get it and I understand was good. Poetry is good. Good he's not this now and people want to say well, Lucas just as bad defensively astray here's why he's not because he's six seven on A. rebalanced and he can switch onto lots of different people. trae young is like is like whatever it doesn't matter. I'm not wasting time on the high. Good luck in the Lottery Hawks Jamie Gerczew delight I interviewed you yesterday I hope and Jamie Kurtz wins the freaking lottery because she's a legend. I do to do my listeners who Jamie Gertz is does anyone under thirty Jamie Curtis because they well should and she is a delight and she is an actor and she is also married to the owner of the hawks. Which I guess makes her the owner of the hawks. I don't know how to navigate that I. Don't know. It's it's hard to know by the way. Are you too young squarepants. Square pegs. That is. A Sitcom for like twenty seconds on CBS like in the early eighties. It had Sarah Jessica, Parker and. Jamie Gertz. All right now did not did not not aware of it wasn't aware of it. Love Love Square becks. My only thought on this series is. You can you can see Colli starting to starting to solve some problems of his own and I think they're trying to run these like Reggie, Jackson collide Lou Williams pick and rolls to get him switched onto smalls in. Dallas is not giving him the switches they're hedging and trying to recover and Kuwait the weakness of his game. If there is one is like he's not a great playmaker on that situation where he's at the three point line and the floor is kind of in flux and there's no easy pass for him. He tends to reset and let Dallas reset the matchups. Now he started punishing it a little bit even when they didn't switch late in the game. CLEVELAND. Is trying hard. I just I haven't liked that assignment for him I think y looks incredibly explosive. He'd get a lot of separation from Cleveland anytime he wants in. A. Little bit more they'll dug into some better looks now Marcus Morris estimate threes they're not guarding Marcus Morris at all. The other thing is the beverly injury is I think we're talking about because you know it's more of these other guards that our our offense I ball dominant guards in Lou Williams is really could three times a year Reggie Jackson I could take leave but like beverly just a better fit I, think when when both of the stars are on the floor so as an example for the season. Lou Williams usage rate when. Both of those guys, Paul. George Choir off the floor thirty, four percent of clippers possessions when they're on the floor, both of them, it drops the eighteen percent, which is role player and like Lou Williams role player. It just doesn't have a lot of value Patrick Beverley role player has a ton of value. Right because. That's the thing with Williams is the less you lose them off to us him offensively, the less value has relative to his defensive liability and and also I. Just Love Beverly off the ball. I love it. He can initiate and be crafty. I. Liked it. He you know he's actually i. think a better passer than people realize. And obviously defensively mount look. Against Anschutz, it's tough. And he guards a bigger guard as well as any little guard, but it's still a little guard on a big. You know the clippers left a lot of money on the table even if the margins and you know like, for instance, they didn't convert transition yesterday like not like, I think they were. Be a little over a point per transition possession like okay. I mean I I think this is where if you WANNA play the much the shot quality game but you know is this a festering problems or is.

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"first round" Discussed on The Lowe Post

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06:27 min | 1 year ago

"first round" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"This will never be an offense that's purely designed around that particular tool and I just think it speaks well of them not just the coaches of the guys to buy in to totally be comfortable with it can but it to know that. Okay. Yeah. I know you've been high pick and roll. You have been the focal point in an offense for seventeen years long you've been in the League and. It's going to be a more. It will be. It'll be a catalyst, but it won't be the whole thing and I just I'm really getting into the Celtics well. The difference in ball handling between the two teams it guys who can hurt you off the dribble is so stark and again, Ben Simmons is playing now Ben Simmons can't shoot refuses to shoot Blah Blah Blah. So his ball handling takes like twenty twenty percent less effective in the playoffs but. They are just torturing the sixers on defense. They are finding matchups they like and just eating lunch and dinner and killing them, and so they just keep running this play where they'll run. Kemba. Walker. Office staggered screen with Thais as the last greener and the first screener is whoever has a slow defender that Campbell is GonNa? Destroy. Sometimes, it's the game what it was Horford last night it was harassed and they got a switch and Kemba goes to work. And these jump shots were him are layups. He's just getting layups because embiid is not gonNA. Come out. They're falling way far behind these screens or dusting Tobias Harris with fakes little fidgety Kemba things, and he walks into these jumpers where he can extend his arms and legs all the way out. He could starfish and you wouldn't hit a defender anywhere ds much space and they're just they're just finding ways to get everyone involved on the flip side the sixers. CanNot punish Kemba. Walker at all I mean, that's the weak link on Boston's defense. That's where you should guide your attack if you can, and they can't sometimes they're not even deliberate about it. They don't even try they have Josh Richards, they've come Bonn Jess Richardson sometimes you have to go into Josh Richardson to man game and try and get a switch try and get something, and they don't even do it and when they try to do it, it's like well, Tobias Harris Gets Kemba Walker on a switch well, guess what happens he takes seventeen foot runner and no one gives it because he gets to assist the game and he doesn't get to the foul line. In this case, you're right the tried one, but another credit to Boston there scrammed behind like. You know like when they when someone wants to hunt that mismatch is Boston is so cool. It just it just we'll make you like we'll Skram we'll quote the bump him out before the shots gets created and I just again another thing that Austin does well, on the margins you know way below the surface. They are the iceberg team. You know it's like you see ten percent of it. Ninety percent is below the water because they do so many of those things well. I will say. Look there's been Brett Brown buzz for two years now right and he's I. Think he's on another extension last year. I think Brits are good coach I think solving this puzzle would be hard for anybody. He clearly has not sold that I don't know that anyone would have by now but he hasn't. And I do think if I'm going to be fair and objective I think he coached a bad game last night and again that they almost had to wait maybe they didn't have to win but not going home and the way they lost it at demoralizing was. So demoralizing to that out to me. He just slept shake Milton out there to die on Kemba Walker for way way way too long and I'm taking running notes on all these games as I watch him except Nets Raptors you don't get any notes for that one. And in my notes are like. Kept Kimball Shake Milton is just getting destroyed, and meanwhile Marcus smart is over here to buy his harasses on. Jalen Brown. Josh Richardson is Josh Richardson is I'm sorry Josh Richardson is on Jaylen Brown Tobias Harris on Marcus smart like it was so easy to rearrange the puzzle pieces so that Josh Richardson would be on Kemba Walker as he was in game one, all it required was Tobias Harris Garden Jaylen, Brown. Now Jaylen Brown's a really good player who gets a little bit better off the dribble every year. Right but he's still a straight line player mostly he's still a straight line attack guy he does not strike fear into me quite yet attacking Tobias Harris. At a standstill in a pick and roll in the half court if Tobias Harris is not good enough to take that matchup in the half court if he's in fact, so ill equipped for it. Did you have to shake Milton just die out there die on Kemba Walker. Then you ever structural problem that is in deeper than thought they waited way too long to make that adjustment and the other thing is I'm watching this game my. Favorite lineup for them in Game One was Alec burks Josh Richardson Matisse Table Tobias Harris. Joel embiid. I. Don't even think it platelet might have played a minute last night Alec Burston come into the game until they were eight minutes left in the second quarter. How will metal came in before him? I'm watching this game cooling Alec. burks news like did I did he get in a car accident on the winning or can even drive the golf? Only doing accident what happened Al I just I don't think bread press the right buttons last night I thought he pressed the wrong and that makes me sad to say because I do think he's a good coach but last night was not a good game. I mean to your point about Brown I mean Braun doesn't really mean he gets his offense on the flow of their office, right? Like he's not even a guy there's is a featured. Part, I, it speaks well of him right and he's able to generate offense on secondary actions and whatnot right? It's you know harass you have a guy like Harris because Theoretically that size that body that skillset hey, he's a he's a one or two through four Gyn probably can tread water at the five know against a certain teams but yeah. I look I'm probably a little bit more charitable because I dislike what's He GonNa? Do I mean like I said I don't I don't think anyone else's puzzle by now and again an all NBA level player is not playing. That's devastating to any team. I thought last night to where a couple of pretty obvious things that were not done. And berks wasn't great last time he had a wonderful is one of eight. You'd WanNa be but like. You Know Look Philly for the affiliate in the playoffs to sixteenth in threes and there's only two games and twelfth and shots at the rim that by the way not GonNa win nine total fast-break points. For a team that doesn't shoot Khanjani that stuff you just need a little octane you gotta again eat at the margins and they had one fast break point in forty eight minutes one. In Boston has the best transition defense in the league according to our friend..

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"first round" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

06:13 min | 1 year ago

"first round" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"The whole playoffs there I don't even know how the blazers are like macgyver ring these games, how they win these frigging games. But this is a long term trend now and it's not just luck in I. Think to win the championship the Lakers need Rondo back as crazy as that sounds, and they need to tweak rotate all that I even like I was watching. Game One. I even I even went as deep as like. Could they give Markeith Morris's minutes to Jared Dudley like Jared Dudley will at least like for all Dudley whatever he's not GonNa help your defense very much. But he will get the ball moving on offense and he will shoot threes like I. Just don't know what the purpose of Markeith Morris's on the Laker I. Mean He's tough. I guess I just think like they have no the lack of a second ball handler is so glaring when. Caruso. Is Not in the game and they have no identity when Lebron sits their offense they have never figured out how they WANNA play other than give the ball the ad maybe he gets wwltv maybe doesn't if he gets double team that gets kicked like Kentavious caldwell-pope on a pick and roll that is going to end with an eighteen foot fadeaway jumper that makes you puke. I just. They just have never figured out how to play without. Lebron. They're going to be I think they're going to be fine but this is not a two game five game blip at this point, this is like a something might be happening here. Are, we as worried about the box. Well is there. Let me just secret today I want to say about the Lakers. This. Are. The Blazers are blazers are awesome. Damn is awesome by the way. No regrets about my Damian Lillard fourth-place MVP zero regrets I got Bill Simmons demanded a public apology for me. I will not apologize I shall not I shall not apologize entre bucks. Bucks Magic. What in the freaking Blue Hell happened in game one, the Orlando Magic by accident by accident because Erin Gordon's at your Michael Carter winters injured Jonathan Isaac Singer Demo Obama's injured. Are playing shooters all over the floor. Markelle Fultz is like the only on shooter they're playing and Kim Burch who comes in for fifteen minutes of the game and all of a sudden they're kind hard to guard in Milwaukee was like what the hell happened and the magic made nineteen threes in one game one. I am not in this series I'm not worried about the bucks. Okay. The bucks are going to win this series the magic if the magic win this series. It would be the biggest upset an MBA history. I don't think that's going to happen. But there there have been I've been a little lower on the Buxton can than the numbers all year I said I'm going to pick them together the east but I think they're going to have at least one if not two. Backs against the wall or to whatever series I don't think they're gonNA roll I did not expect this I think there have been simmering issues under the hood. You are a bucks allergist I'll just ask you are you worried? I'm. Not Worried. And I wrote this the other day they've got some custodial work to do. There's a messy crap out there I. Mean I'm watching you know in the third quarter you know right is the bucks are finally mounting run order is about to be restored in like terrence Ross on the weak side is curling off like a screen and catching a pass on the move from from Augustine and just wide open space going in for the slam in the half court and that cutting. Back. Up and bodily forty five seconds later, Zach. Terrence Ross Curls Office stagger screen. This time on the right side of bloor catches a pass from four foot eleven, DJ Augustine without a dribble. Honesty really. By the way, I short man that's not a ridicule on this team like he's playing against the longest vaunted long defense and arms and legs all over the place. And, and you know for about five six minutes at a time he's controlling the game. What is terrence Ross who's supposed to be standing or sitting in a lounge in the corner? That's what he does. Right like like he's getting beneath your your long. We can span the Atlantic Ocean or Lake Michigan Defense, and it's just like it's inexcusable I love the bucks. I. Love Watching the bucks come on guys like it's absolutely inexcusable you were being. I understand they're GONNA teams they're GONNA get out? In transition, certain? Nights. You are the best transition defense team in the league with, but still they're going to be weird bounces. This isn't weird bounces the other day this an a look at the shot quality. Now they scored one, hundred, twenty, two points, the Orlando Magic. This is a bad offense of team. and. This was half court. Just screw I mean it was absolutely terrible and and by the way it's going to get better like I'm not I'm not worried but it's just like there should be a measure of self pride and I'm sure they wanted to film room or establishing that. Part I watched that sequence and I'm like. I again to the extent that one wants to say, they are not as good as their numbers. That's exhibit A. N. B.. Well I. Did think their defense was bad. I. Thought Their communication was bad I thought when they started switching late in the game because of its was just torturing them and they were confused to know what to do. They're switching execution was terrible. BLEDSOE BLEDSOE's. Havoc wreaking rotations have not been as fascinating. This is a guy who can stunt one direction pick up another guy switch back to his original guy he was doing that like ten percent more slowly. I. Thought in Game One again he's recovering from the coronavirus I mean this is like the thing that nobody wants to talk about, but it's a thing with a lot of players. forty-eight hit an open three at out of those kind of scramble plays. But the bigger picture issue under defense was it took one game for shooting five to stress them out like that didn't really happen last year until Marcus soul and and even then that was like as much about co Ariza was about Marcus. And by stress them out obviously made, they want to plant Brook Lopez's in the paint and a pick and pop big can give them trouble and nickel Nicole of which of it absolutely torch them in the first game of this series. and part of those terrence Ross dunks was that Vukovich was often the facilitator and Brook Lopez didn't want to lean back off him to take away that passing lane..

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"first round" Discussed on NFL Live

NFL Live

08:09 min | 1 year ago

"first round" Discussed on NFL Live

"Anybody left in this draft? That it's not a competition thing. Is there anybody left in this Jack? They think or. They have graded higher than they had geared stadium right like if they had. Jacobson ranked higher than jeered. Maybe do that Jake from graded higher than they had geared system than maybe but I don't think they force it to one guy would say it would be jake from. Yeah I say last night. When they passed on the opportunity to add Jordan love he was the last guy in this draft that has as much or more talent than Jarret Stidham. So when you let him go. Now you're dealing with guys that you're GONNA have to be high intangibles guys and to me. There's two in this in this draft. Jake Frahm we've talked about and also jalen hurts going back to my time in New England. Both these guys that value system in New England there Jim Rats. Those guys are really hard to find winners their leaders you look at. Jalen hurts probably came into this process as a fourth round. Pick the more the. Nfl has spent time round this the more they bought into them so just from just from knowing what New England values at that position and a guy that might not have the same arm telling physical tools that Jarrett Stidham has because his very good. I'm a huge believer in Jarret. Stidham you're going to have to have some of these other things to compensate and the two guys that have them. Are Jake from in Jalen hurts. You know what's interesting to me? Their belief in jared actually started last year guys on Labor Day when they cut Brian Hoyer so last year with championship aspirations. They're going to season with Tom. Brady and a very small sample set on Jarrett Stidham. So not only do they believe in him last night over love but it goes back a year ago to just one preseason that he was their backup quarterback for me and I know Dan. It's GonNa be shocking that you and I actually seat backs a little bit differently. But his Jacob Jacobsen was being out by Jacob from Georgia. He went up to Washington. You have one good year. He's sort of the prototypical in the pocket quarterback he has to clean up his footwork his accuracy. I think maybe at the bottom of the second third round I like his upside and even though from has incredible intangible guys I agree with that. I just think at the end of the day from the fields can be condensed because he can't get the ball outside the numbers and that's why would separate eastern over from because at least at the NATO easing can get the ball down the field outside the numbers. And no matter. How smart how studious. And how dependable from is I. Don't think his arm abilities can be good enough mighty. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how you draft me because pounds. I'd appreciate how did you. How did you pass on the in the first round man listen Eastern has got so much physical intrigue you talked about the arm strengthen the in the New England tree so so to speak. I would say this. If the New England Patriots believed that Jacob off the field and in intangibles embitter ship qualities can match his physical qualities. Then they should take with the second round pick. I mean that's the truth is if they believe that those things can match the physical talent. Take Him with your newly acquired second round pick but that's a question that New England has to answer and Mike T. That wouldn't have been a question for me. Man I would have been. I would have been the same on on both levels okay. You're you check both boxes. He's still checking Mike. All right guys. Thank you very much more. An atom back with us our intrepid insiders as we look ahead to round two and guys speaking of which because it won't be long. What will you be watching tonight? And we'll start with the quarterbacks well with Jake from here. I think the expectation that I'm hearing is that maybe he gets taken into the third round. He had these great intangibles. Yes quarterback coaches fall in love with them but the physical skills is tantamount pointed out or pretty average. It's interesting. He has the distinction of tasting off to five star quarterbacks and both Jacobson and Justin fields but that was because Kobe smart the head coach at Georgia saw. He was a game manager. And that's why you step with some believe. That was a mistake at Georgia now. So Adam go ahead yours and more. You heard gymnast. He talks about jalen hurts elevating stockton this process. He came in as round pick. And I believe he's going to be going in the second round tonight. Just too many teams like the colts ever need. A quarterback steelers have need a quarterback. There's a lot of teams out there that need quarterbacks and I believe Jalen hurts elevated his value into the second round of this draft tonight. More definitely become an intriguing guy and you know. Let's talk about Jacob and I was a little surprised Jim. Nagy saying that the intangibles but listen He. Here's the prototypical size on the arm and some pedigree there because Tony since certainly played in the NFL but as teams have peeled back the onion. What they don't like is what they're hearing about his work ethic it does not meet the standard and will it ever meet the standard and so even in this off season leading up to the draft. So Jacob Beeson is intriguing on tape. I don't know that you've got glowing reports from Washington sap or even from the Georgia staff so I do think there are team. There's a team or to this as too much talent not to not to take a chance on and Moto's the rookie quarterback that could be in play tonight. The veterans who are on the trade bloc have been in play. And we'll be in play all weekend long. You Store Trent Williams. The redskins have been having negotiations with teams as of the Jaguars about Iana Godoi. But they have said that they are going to be unable to deal. Yana Gaga in their point in their mind now again. There are other veterans out there. Andy Dalton as a pricey contract number was insanity. Janaka gangways that guy. The Jacksonville doesn't think you'd be able to deal. I think of all the veterans the one. That's most likely to be dealt at some point. This weekend would be the Washington offensive tackle tremblings. He's the name to watch. He's the name to monitor the other players. The other veterans were time where some of them with the big money. They command like. Yana can. God where Matt Jude on. Whoever WOULD BE? They'd have to take a physical impassive physical. It's hard to get a physical. These days and teams are going to be leery about paying money at this point in time to players like that plenty of talent still on the board as we enter date to. If you're a prospect that was disappointed by last night's results. Consider THIS LAST YEAR. Second Rounders actually took more snaps last season then. Did those drafted I. I like it. Rex Who do you like tonight? I like Xavier mckinney out of Alabama one of the most productive players in the entire draft. It's hard to believe we still there. He ran a poor forty. Who Cares? Put the tape on. The guy is a tackling machine. He makes plays all over the place so I love the guy the next guy is and Anton Winfield. The all he is he's like his dad. He's short who cares not smalley short. But he's attacked another guy that'll tackle you. And he can flat run grading coverage he's got the pedigree both these guys are going to be stars in the League first year starters. I look at K. J. Hill out of the house state. You talk about a kid. That's been coach really well under Brian Hotline. And you find a team. That's looking for a slot receiver. Listen this kid can absolutely route you up in a team is going to like him tonight. Take him tonight and then add them to an offense and he will wear out the middle of the field and then listen jalen hurts one of the greatest stories that we've had come into the draft in a long time in his jury wrote a time in the NFL where it's about what you can do. Not What you can't do in put him on this team tonight. That run the ball really well believes has a good defense and man. You can add to your football team and just opened up a ton of new place offense. I like those players tonight..

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"first round" Discussed on NFL Live

NFL Live

08:22 min | 1 year ago

"first round" Discussed on NFL Live

"And the job he did get players at the fort in which they really are a bargain and a good value just in. Jefferson. I thought we go. Maybe middle of I moved up after running that four four three with all that great productivity at Lsu then Jeff gladly gladly at the end of the first round about a guy now with Jefferson helping out that wide receiver spot. A major void in Jefferson is a guy hightower can come in and be ready to produce right away and then I think you look at a guy on the other side of the ball in gladness who uses his hands well enough to basically break up the past without causing any penalty flags to be thrown. Very intuitive cornerback. I thought he would be. Maybe a late first early second. They traded back so they didn't reach at in. Stretch it a bit. They took him at a at a point where it was more palatable than where they were picking. I give the wrecks bill and a lot of credit the Minnesota Vikings an eighth grade for day one. Yeah I almost went San Francisco here but I agree with Mel love. These two picks for the Vikings. They addressed a couple of big needs. Don't know what happened with digs up there. But as Mel talked about Justin Jefferson's a high high football character guy. He's GonNa come in and adjust really quickly played great in the slot. This year for was a different player inside than it was on the perimeter and then he's got the huge catch radius. He's the guy that Joe Borough trusted. You just put the ball up to. And he would make a play for him. So reminds me of Michael Thomas from the New Orleans saints really similar comparable player and then Jeff. Gladdy really fun player to watch on tape. You know the only real knock is size. But he doesn't play small he so aggressive. He's feisty fast. He's athletic and as Mel talked about getting his hands on balls. Twenty-six passes defense the past two years. That seems like Mike Zimmer type of pick. I really like what the Vikings did. Well Jim you go with San Francisco. I am going to go with San Francisco and I'll tell you this general manager John Lynch. He absolutely knocked it out the park. I've thought on the first day you know you. Trade back one spot in the first round pick up devan kin law who may be one of the top two or three most explosive players pound for pound in this draft the guy who's going to really dispatch to the other first round picks that they have on their defensive line and he's going to be one of those got one of those guys who may have the highest upside and the most untapped potential of all of them right now and that includes. Nick Bosa so adding Devan Kit law that expect tackler move and then they come back with the twenty fifth pick and they think one of my favorite guys out of Arizona State branded Naik a guy who is the ultimate catch and run big. Play Guy The guy who can take it to the house on wide receiver screens. Quick slants quick dig routes and he's also a master at running the double moves down the field and he's just a big play wedding the happen. That's exactly what they needed and the wide receiver core Joe Manager John Lynch head coach. Sal Kyle Shanahan plus from me all right. Yeah easy greater there. Louis Riddick I like a plush to von Kendra had the best family reaction. He wins out. I don't know if we give an award for that but I just did the. Nfl draft for students tonight seven eastern on ESPN ABC and the NFL network. The bengals once again. Take things off then. They will be followed by the colts the lions and the giants Patriots. So go figure. Stop me if you've heard this four. Enter the night with the most fix of day two of any team in this draft. All right. Plenty to go We've got safeties. David mckinney and Antoine Winfield. Junior they are. The top melts list of best available prospects. Also out there skill position players De Andrea Swift. Jk Dobbins and Michael Pittman junior mill. Who's your favorite? Still on the board mckinney. Think about a guy if you got a list of the best pure football I forgetting speed. Forget all that in those numbers strength. Four six three but he plays a lot faster than that. It's all over the field making plays yet. Ninety five tackles dispatched ear three sacks intercepted three passes for four fumbled. You will be a great second round pick me you will provide an attitude and leadership to the back end of a defensive secondary the NFL. P- yeah I'm glad went mckinney. Because I almost did but I'm going with AJ Nessa deepens event from Iowa Twenty six and a half career sacks double digits each of the last two years not a real twitchy guy off the edge. Put a big body rusher. He's got feel he's got effort. He's going to get on the field next year in and be a big big contributor for some team go with Jonathan Taylor shocking. I know look. This is the most productive college football running back in his first three years. I three years in the history of college football one thousand nine hundred yard plus three straight years now. I know my man Melkite. Were sitting there going. But Louis doesn't catch the ball out of the backfield. He has ball security issues. But these are things that are correctable fundamental aspects of his game. It's something you can attribute to. Wisconsin bought security issue. Something he will be coached out. And I'll tell you this he's going to be whoever picks early on the second day and Lou. Jk Dobbins runs fierce ball. Juries improve hands have to get a little bit better in a couple of drops this year runner. He's as good as Jonathan Taylor and the Andrea Swift versus kid added Georgia figures. Look at Second Round. Picks as well swift to me. When you looked at completeness he checks. The box is now. He's not as dynamic in my opinion runner as Jonathan Taylor. He certainly doesn't have the ball security issues. He's good receiver. Not Maybe as good as Clyde Edwards layer went to the chiefs at the end of the first round last night. But all around completeness is running back wide and a second round normally should have been a first round pick but the priority now is running backs anymore. And I've been talking about that. Seems like for thirty years but I think all three of those backs Taylor swift and Dobbins will be great. Second round draft choices take from looks to go early in today's draft when round two gets underway according to milk hyper junior the strong arm. Jacob East and the best quarterback prospect left on this board last season sixteen percent of eastern pass attempts traveled twenty or more air yards actually a higher rate them. Both Joe Borough Bilo. The question will the Patriots. Bring in either of these guys. The question really is the Patriots. Just pick some players either way We faked are Mike. Reese Mike what can you tell us about the New England? Chances of ringing a quarterback at some point tonight. Wendy the Patriots. Have five picks. This is really the heart of their draft and specific to the quarterback question. It's interesting to go back to last night. There at twenty three and Jordan love is right there for them with this big quarterback question and they just trade right out of there. Which in part is a statement of confidence to what they have on the roster which includes Jarret Stidham but they still would like to add a quarterback told at some point in this draft. But here's two key points. They are not going to force it. Wendy. They have a lot of needs on this roster and the second point that was brought up to me as a unique position you know. Espn stats and information. Are Great Department pointed out that about twelve? Quarterbacks on average are drafted each year over the last decade so teams. Really only have a small handful of quarterbacks that that they would actually consider drafting in the draft so a lot of things have to fall into place similar like it did for the Patriots in two thousand fourteen. When Jimmy Garoppolo was there late in the second round my thank you and I certainly believe as well that New England won't force it. That's just really not in their DNA. Usually not how they do things. Foxborough Dan Orlovsky. I'll start with you and the Patriots quarterback situation. Would you take a quarterback? If you're in New England I'm Mike brings up a great point of the belief of Jarret Stidham kind of showed up last night gig from would be something that listen. If he falls to one of those four third round picks jake problem would be somebody that I think really fits New England. If you think about the things that the intangibles right that are totally in line. With what New England once Boso. He fits their style of offense. He's really good throwing the ball with in-between the numbers. He's in the pocket. He's got great command. He's a ball distributor. It's kind of your dinking dump. Stahl of quarterback with his ability to play point guard in in those regards. So I could see jake from you know but I don't think that New England needs. This is the way I look at it. Where did they have geared steam ranked coming out of the draft and they kind of elevated their belief in him and is there.

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"All right Dan Orlovsky looking glass half empty. But these guys have a major transition coming out. And everybody's got a flaw in their game. Let's look at what they're going to have to work on. And we'll start with Joe Borough. I mean we're going to nitpick here with Joe Borough big time right. Try to find something. I'd say this if you were going to say one thing that he does not do. Incredibly wealth is arm strength and so the reality of the NFL is the windows that you throw into smaller. And they closed quicker and so. How quickly does he adjusted? And then Greg touchdown this with you know throwing some guys that were covered open. We don't see that often the NFL. Not often you throw in four or five balls that are kind of opportunity balls downfield and guys are going to make every single one so how quickly it just to the windows and then how quickly he just trusting some guys in the NFL? That can do that because some guys you see. You cannot trust to do that and so that's going to be. I don't want to call it. A flaw that his biggest kind of growth. For to know thyself. You know to so many incredible treats and oftentimes those traits lead him to play a little bit too much like Russell Wilson. He needs to be more like drew. Brees where it's understanding listened scrambling not your strength. Running around is not your strength. Your strengths getting through progressions and getting the ball your hands. That will keep you safe. That's going to be the biggest growth for him just in her. I think we're now that the chargers have him daime to unlock and aggressive mindset for Justin. Herbert he needs to believe that he is the offense that he's the superhero of that offense. Not that he's just the quarterback so they've got to get him to be aggressive kind of trust the physical talents and physical traits that he has and believe in his mind. Make any throw and just be aggressive with the football and and and believe that you can throw people open and make the perfect throat. Because he's got so much talent but he's got to believe in himself a little bit more in his talent. Nfl Jordan love. Don't assume you know a lot of times. Quarterbacks get told. Don't predetermine where you're going to throw. The football. Never believed in that. You need to know where you're going to throw the football. Don't assume who you're going to throw the football too. And he would kind of lose his eyes because he would stare at one way and assume it was gonNA move certain defenders and come back in. Just throw the ball blindly right to linebackers and underneath coverage or safeties under underneath garbage. So he's got to get to a point where he listens to his feet more in place reactionary with his is rather than just assuming things going on with the defense so they all have their own flaws. They all have their own challenges to the coaching staff. That they're going to go to. And the biggest thing is how quickly those guys can minimize those flaws and maximize those strengths. All Listen Gregg Dan and got to weigh in on this earlier. But you weren't with us so I'd be curious what you thought about the decision by the packers to draft your love in the first place Jordan love. I couldn't be happier. I get a couple of years to just sit back and watch one of the best to ever do it right in front of me learning from him and tried to adopt some of the things that he's done into my game and frankly when you look at Jordan love guys have his highest ceiling as any quarterback in this draft as far as just raw horse power. He can throw it down the field. You can fit in tight windows. He's a better athlete than you realize. When he's out and about in the pocket however connell acquit. Dan Just alluded to when his feet are not underneath them and when he predetermined where he's going to throw the football and the coverage dictates otherwise he's an absolute disaster. The Guy has to understand. That are progressions and you need to go from one to two to three and allow your feet to talk to you. But when his feet are planted and they're stable and they're setting and he's decisive he might be the most impressive amongst all the quarterbacks in the NFL draft. Every quarterback has those head scratching interceptions. One that we all know you watch it and go. As soon as it left his hands he wanted that one back. We all know it and everyone has them even the great ones have them but the reality is that when you watched or there's just too many on them and I think that's why I would be a little bit concerned about how this plays out in Green Bay. One of the things really the best way to get better is to actually play. And if you just look at the next two seasons unless Green Bay just decides that they're going to trade Aaron Rodgers after this year which there'd be a massive cap hit with that. I don't know how you really know Jordan. Love is improving on some of the mistakes that he made a Utah State against really at all times. Low caliber you know opponents so I think that the adjustment while it can be a good thing to learn behind a great at the same time. You need to be out there in around. Live bullets the figure out and make some mistakes to to improve. I think that's going to be a challenge for them to my agree with that the reason why I do really like the fit though with Matt. Leflore in this offense is this. Offense is so predicated on in Greg. Used this phrase your feet tell you where to throw the football in talking about getting through progressions so often he would just like all right. That is going to be open and throw it and the offense to the packers are going to run his colleague. Shanahan Mike Shannon and Gary Kubiak offense where Jordan love is going to have those bad habits. Kinda stripped down and he will learn how to play quarterback really from the ground up rather than top down and so he'll trust his feet to tell him where he throws the ball and to Greg's point if he gets there that physical talent is so unique. Mike Tannenbaum joins us for the first time this afternoon and like pay when you think about Jalen hurts and you think about a good productive fit who stands out for me. It's easy. It's the Baltimore Ravens. He reminds me of a player that works. And I had in Brad Smith. Because he's so dangerous with the ball in his hands he could run it and he can throw it. He had thirty two touchdowns last year. People will remember at Oklahoma though. He also had twenty rushing touchdowns. Could you imagine the amount of pressure that Baltimore offense can put on opposing defenses? If he's in the backfield with Lamar Jackson in terms of two players who can run it and throw it. I think has a good skill set in terms of good foundation. He has to improve his downfield. Accuracy is accuracy overall. This year was pretty good at sixty nine point seven percent but my concerns or gain the ball down the field but Baltimore would be a great place for him to start his career. Mike you mentioned Brad Smith. It's funny because Brad Smith would have been coming out of college right now. He would have been a quarterback and not a receiver so to me. It's a that's an interesting comparison right there but I look at this guy. One thing we know about him. He is a winner. An absolute winner two-time SEC offensive player of the year. If I if I recall but when I look at them I think New England is a perfect spied. Look saving goes back that history with a ballot check and there's no reason why this guy can't get it done. Obviously he's GonNa do it a little differently his his his legs or a huge weapon and it would look different. But I don't want that he's a winner and I wouldn't be surprised if bill bell checks in the same way I am and he goes out and he drafts this young man. I'd see it at says. Seattle guys and it's because right now when you look at the backup quarterback situation for the seahawks it's a little grim and frankly Russell Wilson's been absolutely incredible staying healthy throughout the course of his career. But you put Jalen hurts is in a situation like that where he can learn from excellent quarterback in his own right and develop over. The course of time keeps them in the second round guys. I don't see it. I mean I don't see him contributing right away because frankly you mentioned him being more like Brad Smith. I see a more being Tim tebow winner. Yes absolutely physical absolutely very hard worker very strong very diligent unbelievable intangibles. All of those things are true but there's also very sporadic with his feet. His accuracy is very inconsistent and has ball and timing with the way he anticipates throws isn't always there so I think Jalen hurts is a long-term project that needs to be figured out and kind of learn under a great pro like Russell Wilson out in Seattle where it can be exclusively backup to add to add is. It's the action that the teach sets the floor and the character system ceiling. This Guy Los Appall. He's a great competitor as REX. Lou and I agreed. His game is far from complete. But it's a really good base to start with very productive at two different programs. He gets around the right coaching staff and if they could clean up this accuracy issue. You could hit big later on the strath with somebody like Jalen. Now Louis Riddick. Here Jim Nagy is here. We got a full house. Let's let's talk about winners from last night. Round one winners Mel. I'll start with YOU MINNESOTA. Vikings I think. Rick.

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"GONNA sign the hundred million dollar contract just so you guys know. I'm going to look at this when you see CD lamb. I don't disagree. I think he's got what it takes to be a pro bowl. And you knew Wellstone Mike McCarthy to me when you're looking at this kid. When he came out I was thinking. This guy reminds me a Davante Adams because at the top of the route. He's so physical and he's such a competitor for the football and then by the way you can't tackle him his catches amazing. And when you put Gallup and Cooper on the outside who by the way the run bags decent and the office allies these this offense is GonNa be now. What are they gonNA do about pass rush? I'm not sure because I think what they're going to do. In a second round is take a safety but three top safeties in the draft are still available. So I think when you look at Xavier mckinney at Alabama delicate out of Lsu and then Antoine Winfield. Junior three three ball or sitting right there so this might be an unbelievable draft for the cowboys especially if they land one of these guys. It just warms about hard to hear. Y'All talk so well. Labonte Dallas cowboys cancels out here so much so much negativity surrounding by the fact that we got it right would see and we still got that. We identified and his brand that we could be a better team. Dammit if we eight years and I'm GonNa just do this is that's the thing we're just building you up so vacant. Let you don't want you to have a great to feel so good and bubble up a full. Expect this great offense and you guys are going to score tunnel points and still be sitting home with US watching the playoffs in the end. The cowboy's duty. Oh they're fans all the time but for one day or every guy. He was the captain. Notice you yeah. We're at Clark what this man has moment? Let let let Marcus for just a few fellas thank you as always. Lsu Let all schools five first round picks last night and according to Elias. That's tied for the second. Most in the first round of any draft history only the hurricane had more back in four also the first time in the common draft era that quarterback running back and wide receiver were taken from the same school in the first round of the draft and Lsu tied in fat loss who scored two touchdowns in the National Championship. Game could join his teammates as a draft. Pick before this weekend is over. And maybe you've heard about dad. He joins US now. Hall of Famer Randy Moss and Randy will certainly get to that in just a minute. But let's start with last night's number one. I know you got to see a lot of that. Is Joe Borough? What have the bengals found in their new quarterback? Will they had a Guy? Who's ready to take the bull by the horns and just come in ready ready to play. There was a lot of questions concerning Joe Borough throughout the season. Everybody's talking about his offense a weapons. How many guys he had to work with. But when I seeding First hand been out there throwing the ball being able to run a pro style offense how he moves in the pocket being able to keep the chains moving to keep the offense on the field. That's wild thing to Cincinnati. Bengals have found their man. I like all intangible guys and the the one thing that really stands out to me mates every body on the defense of where that he's on the field so he's going to get everybody office involved. And that's what I like him. This young quarterback man. I tell you why Randy this guy. 'cause Randi would tell me about how good this quarterback was and I remember. I can't be that good then. You watch him and it's like oh I never seen they like it. I mean it's well. I never happened in college football every the greatest year of any quarterback in the history of the game. But it's amazing. He can throw on time on time. His poison of pocket like Randy talks about this is unreal and they know sit back and he's so accurate the football this where he reminded me A. Tom Brady many puts that ball. Right under your Chin protects the receiver from collisions. He gives them a chance to run after the catch with it. The guys just amazing. And then by the way that speech if you're if you'RE CINCINNATI BENGAL. They got. They probably sold one hundred thousand. Jerseys Joe Borough on it and if they would have you know why mess that pickup gone with somebody else. Oh my gosh you forget about it but this guy is a perfect quarterback for the Cincinnati bengals. Well let me ask you this randy. Because borough going number one was expected we sort of do that leading up to this thing but then there were the packers trade up to draft a quarterback Jordan love. I think if no matter what you think about the decision it was a surprise What did you think about making the move for love? Instead of adding some help for their current quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Well it was kind of shocking to me as a fan of as an analyst to really see that Aaron Rodgers is still planning a high level and for them to really use their first round. Pick on a quarterback knowing what they have already there so when I look at the the Green Bay packers and bring in a guy like Jordan. Love is weeks. I don't know if we've seen the best of Aaron Rodgers but now that we know that competition is in the building as a football fan as as as a former player. I like what the Green Bay packers has done Like I said. I don't know what how better how much better Air Roger Stink but with them bringing your love into that building. It's going to light a fire up whether Aaron Rodgers. I look for big things coming out a great band at offense. I think I mean that's just human nature and we certainly know. Aaron Rodgers is a competitor. Let me ask you this. There was also the little matter of Henry Rugs. The third he went twelfth. Overall to the raiders. And I know you've had a chance to spend a little time with him so before you before I ask you this. Take a look go into the national football league. Hey soon back up here you WANNA work with the glove. That's cool with me the penalty just devil's island. Just let you know for. Every drop looks fiber starting off your professionals now. This college is over with if it's a weakness of what I see that means over the next week week and a half before you go. Doug need to home in on it before they know what I'm saying. All right so we got randy the hall of Famer Randy Randy the coach Rex. How do you do shoot? No surprise Randy was incredible. But you know it's a little different. This guy's got a little stroke to him. You know what I be because if everybody is seen him a first ballot hall of favor so rainy can go out there and tell them anything lineup backwards. They're going to do it. Fashion and I know ready. He could do it all. There's no question Randi you know it'd be a little different. They saw my tape. Nobody would listen to me. I thought he did a great job. And you just see those kids right there how they respond to metal bed. Yeah Randy could do anything no surprise but you know what he enjoys fishing too much for all the coaches out there. Don't worry he's not. He's not talking to me. What what does the raiders get in rugs? You see their reacting last night. They were thrilled with the pick. So who are they getting? Well think they're really getting a home redetermined very explosive and talented wide receiver. You know I think that this year's wide receiver class of for this year's draft is very very deep. I mean you're going to get steals. Lateness drap but when you look at the first receiver taking off off the board from Alabama when you look at the talented. They had on their roster. Rubs is one of the Oakland Raiders. Something that home run threat of what he's able to bring to this. Oakland offense with car at the quarterback just been able to get the ball in his hands. It's just to see what he did for Alabama Crimson tide. He was able to stretch the field. But I think that rubs most effective within the five to ten yard range where you can get the ball in his hands and make all eleven guys. Try to tackle this young man randy one more joked about the number of hats you wear but this week not a coach or an analyst but also a father I see. Wait for your son. Fads name to be call one. Has it been like for you? Not as a player this time but as the dad record wracking for me Wendy just being able to think back a million years ago back when I was going through this process and how emotional I was in the Roller Coaster. Takes you up and down throughout the whole weekend and as you can see the pictures of me and my my son just being a proud dad to see him reach ago of being able to play in the National Championship. Me Been able to play in the League announced. I got a a second-generation hopefully to be introduced into the National Football League so I think I'm about as nervous and jittery as he is but like I said God is going to just keep our faith in God and to see what he adds a store force I rack. Randy will be watching a best of luck to you and also to. Thad he gives something and you get something right so we obviously gave up a lot. We weren't in Las Vegas. We understand that but nevertheless the draft went on and what we did guess guys is to be inside some of these houses. You know with coaches and GM's we got to see families. We got to see people together. I mean a lot of it was cool so we're not going to do it best because everybody had on like casualwear but we are going to talk about where they were. Marcus what what did you see that she thought was interesting. First of all Jerry Jones only yacht was the biggest flakes. I've ever seen in my entire life out. Grab a drop in the ocean. And I'm corn taste better than anybody could ever corn team in the history of quarantine peasants do what? I won't draft from the ozone. Oh and then there was this well for me. It was Mike. Ray was the first thing that comes to mind. Do head somebody in a Fr- ozone suit and if anybody has ever you lose. And then his other homeboy a blonde mullet. I'm talking about like straight awful tiger king. This is what you want out of your bag. Your when you a grime me linebacker. And then he had to do they say he was on a stool but just for background purposes. We're going to continue to think where we thought last night might ray water winner. Bane bested Marquess B. Ability is the guy has a billion dollars and byles a ball bowl and drives it around with every day all the money that he's ever may from every paycheck he's gotten to the NFL. That's what this room says. The second thing is room says eaters. I don't try.

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"Just don't because he he might go he might do the same to do the. Yeah try to get the re up again for the ten plus I wrote. I wrote a piece breaking down. His contract options at the athletic about a month and a half ago. I went through the argument for and against each way and it was. It was fun to to do that because like I've I've used his current team. Lebron James is like I call them. Icbm used before but actually worked really well to go through that but yes so that they're not going to be a contract so then to me. The first thought is well. The rockets are the weakest of them for a couple of reasons. One is I think term worry as the first one is tillman. Tillman the second one is exactly and also the rockets like they have guys under contract for a while for a long time going right before this Russell. Westbrook and James Harden have player options in twenty two twenty three. I expect Russell. Westbrook will pick up harden left to see if he's still playing an MVP level maybe he takes lower annual value and then but just signs ridiculously hilariously long contract. But we're talking. We're talking mid thirties harden and Russ for all of these years so they have players that they might have under contract to will be post prime but they also have a more is. I seemed very unlikely to still be there with with both the overall friction. He's had with the fact that it is for today. Just working with them doesn't really seem like the greatest thing in the world and then obviously the the fact that it can't be happy with them after this Flap with China. And that's cost the rockets a lot of money. I'm sure for. Tito will be hoping to recoup that Chinese money at the earliest practice point when it doesn't look like he's firing Daryl for that reason right and also they have enough. They have enough stuff right now that they're not going to be they're not can be adding acids we've talked about how little young talent the rockets have right now. And they've got you know because they've traded first round picks to get under the tax to to improve in the short term all those sorts of things and so it's going to be hard for them even if even if Maury for however long he's the GM keeps finding some quality players out of the rough. They're going to be having to find them out of the rough every time they're going to be and that's really hard. It's really hard to transform. And then you have the the Lakers who were just a money factory and the clippers who have an insanely wealthy owner. I think those those give them the advantage. Maury because I think he's the best negotiator of these three did get the most favourable terms so for example. The rockets picks in twenty twenty four. They're pick convey there they if they're picked doesn't convey it's one through four? Then they only give two seconds and then in twenty-six same thing one through four th was to give up one second. That's that's a lot better than unprotected. Pick but I you know. How much are you really freaking out about that upside? You know getting into that. I would say it's more about the organization than the protection knowing what we know right now. Maybe if you and I are having this podcast in two thousand twenty two. Maybe we know a lot more on her feeling a little bit differently about it but right now I would. I would rank it. Rockets are more desirable to have their picks. And then I think I would go lakers then clippers just because Lebron's age and the fact the he I think he has more equity within the organization. The clippers clippers are just a better a better organization. I think now. Perhaps the Lakers and the Lakers but talk. That is the one of easy counter. That is like they have a player. Who's more in line with this timeframe who is eighty thirty season would be out of the builder on him? Yeah I mean Lebron presumably is going to resign there after this contract and be making ridiculous amounts of money at that point you know the hill probably do another four year contract worry squirt squares up with Ronnie. That's my personal theory is that I think he's GonNa try to square it up so that he have you have. I told this theory on the podcast. Shit I've said it on my own. I think you mentioned. I think it's more likely than not that he might just doesn't make the maybe he does just for PR stuff but well. Yeah but that was my theory that Lebron says I will sign wherever he gets drafted and then that leads to Brownie getting overdraft because Oh my God we get Lebron for a year or two and you can sell jerseys and all that we'll see I. I don't know how to evaluate. Fourteen year olds wasn't like wild by seeing the one time I saw it in person I read. I think Rafael hard to breakdown on him. It wasn't it was positive but not glowing so yeah I agree with you. I think I would go although that Lakers. Pick the fact just as one individual asset the fact that it can be deferred and it's unprotected both years that might trump any individual. Houston year because you can hedge your bets. Yeah you get you get a lot more information and you get and you get the choice. Yeah and is going to be that good at. What like thirty two at that point. Now he actually. He's younger than that. Though for the twenty four draft. I'll be thirty season for the twenty. Five draft age thirty-one season so. Yeah he'll still be quite good. Probably okay so give me the rest of your top five. We both agree number one. Is that twenty twenty one minnesota. After that I really which is Top three protected and unprotected in two thousand twenty two. That's a golden safe that he angela Russell Teal but I really had a ton of difficulty differentiating after that. Yeah I originally had Houston's twenty twenty four. I over the Lakers one. But I'm going to switch that because of the choice. I think the choice that it's double unprotected. I'm going to switch those then. Number two is the Lakers. Twenty twenty four or twenty five pick New Orleans gets to choose so that's my second best outstanding that number three then. Is that Houston twenty twenty four. The reason I'm going twenty. Four over twenty six is. It's a little bit sooner. And because all their main guys aren't going to be under under contract anyway so it's like well that might be when they're retooling reloading all that type of stuff. Maybe that's the trough and so I I agree with you there and then the other one that you could make an argument. I mean maybe you make an argument that the warriors should be there but my ideas there guys. They have some good guys under contract. I think Klay Thompson wage reasonably well and I bet I think organizations is better than the rockets especially when we're thinking. Where will the rockets be in three years rather than they are right now so I put the warriors pick? So that's toward that conveys of. It's five thirty in twenty four. Otherwise almost definitely conveys in twenty twenty-five most of the day of the number one pick and then my number five then we're really like their bunch of them that around that I just want to twenty twenty four I because it's it's sooner than some of the other ones and it is the certainty but that that when that to me there was a line between the fourth pick and everything else. Yeah and you could make the argument that when we're dealing with so far out. Maybe you're better off just going with an unprotected. Pick right the that just doesn't matter you just. There's no way you can suspect it. I don't know if I quite believe that. But there's no way you can anticipate what teams going to look like four years. We've seen how are twenty? Twenty Crystal Ball went awry. If you need evidence of that and that was two years ahead. That's mention four years ahead. So that one is an argument for just just picked the unprotected one and so that's why I like that Lakers one number two because it's unprotected and you pick one of the two years And also just because like it's awesome. We haven't had this in the air that I've been covering the league. The strategy of that is GonNa be absolutely fascinating. So what do you think of this? Utah one that is Obama's. I actually think that one could be interesting because twenty twenty one go bare as a free agent. Can they agree on a new contract there? If they don't get there the next couple years they don't have a great way of replenishing of and they'll be kinda rebuilding around Mitchell but he's also see them being a late lottery team that you're I think it's most likely to convey in twenty two and it's only protected if it's top six so I don't think a team with Donovan Mitchell. And they're well run. Dennis Lindsey and everything else like I. I don't think they're going to be one of the six teams. Maybe jumps up lottery reform. So yeah there is some upside there. I consider that one to be especially or or at least I see them as maybe like a low end playoff team at that time but even that you know the eighteenth pick twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty two could be a good draft. We don't know it's probably GonNa do this here. Yeah so that's just want to keep an eye on because I'M NOT SURE UTAH. You think of them as they're sending team but then you really look at their roster and Mitchell is their only decent guy under twenty seven right now that the major part of what they're doing right now have an inflection point with Conley and some of this other stuff to see. That's an interesting one. The Milwaukee pick is compelling me on the idea that if if you honestly leaves but it being eleven through thirty and then basically never being unprotected. I don't like picks that never that that maintain a level of protection that I think is it could potentially fall into that sort of thing like you might end up with just two seconds and that sucks all right a couple of questions here before we wrap up are there any twenty twenty picks that you would rank ahead of outstanding twenty twenty one picks full picks not swaps. Okay so basically what? I'd rather have the sixteenth pick because that's the best one that's that's currently owed walls. I'll I'll say this. I've only watched a little bit of film on a single person in the two thousand twenty draft but my goodness. I think I'd rather I think I'd rather have almost anything in twenty one. Yes so what you'd be looking at here in twenty one. Well okay obviously the Minnesota when we rentable takeout excluded Minnesota when I I assume I assume that was going. Yeah so really. The ones that are gonNA conveying. Twenty-one ARE PROBABLY HOUSTON DALLAS MIAMI. So let's say the best the most the best of those pictures probably can be. Maybe some around twenty. Would I rather have the sixteen pick and drop? The people think is bad or the twentieth pin. That people think might be good. I'd rather the twentieth well and another reason. I think I might prefer twenty. Twenty one is twenty twenty one off season. Seems like it's going to be a much more movement heavy off season than this one is going to be and so having that ammo then in the form of the pick which you can trade without having to Matt Salary you can let the other team make the pick if they want to also supposed to be a good draft. Yeah it's tough Joe. Houston DALLAS MIAMI. You mean some of those could be number thirty. I don't care how bad draft I'd rather have fifteen in a bad draft thirtieth good. Yeah that's true. I shouldn't have used the best pick. I should've used the worst one. Yeah so it's sixteen versus sixteen versus thirty is is a different conversation. Yes so I think there's a couple of these ones that I would rather have twenty twenty but we don't know the other thing though is you don't know which of Miami Dallas or Houston. It's going to actually be the worst while like any of those team. I think probably Miami has the least upside of that group for twenty twenty one I would again. They could all all those could be fifty when teams one. More question here. What is the highest upside? Pick other than the Minnesota one. We'll see you think that one has the highest upside is top three protected the first year actually think it might be the. Lakers won the Pelicans. Join the twenty four twenty five you get two bites at the apple and that's so far out it's so far and it's unpredicted right. Yeah and they are not despite the fact that they've gotten it together. I don't give their organization much credit for that and I think if they really have to build things that it could get pretty ugly and especially if he just ends up missing half the season one of those years could be trouble and we've seen even a and then you also look at the idea that what say they. Are you know the tenth worse record? Both of those years will one of those two years. They might pop up in the lottery. And you get to decide after the first year whether you want to take that or not so. It's not perfect you could. You could be a hilarious situation where you deferred and actually get worse. Pick a year later without easily happen slowly. Which is what which is. What's so beautiful about this too? Yeah one other thing I wanNA mentioned just just the ridiculousness of the thunders were chest so they have A..

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"first round" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"It's good to have context but thankfully there are fewer team. There are fewer obligations to work with so I put together a little bit in that. So now we're going to fast forward to twenty twenty two. That is the the twenty one twenty. Two season then is what precedes that. That's what will determine the draft order. They're only three obligations. The clippers unprotected pick is going to the thunder. That is a really interesting year for the clippers because the summer before this season is the year that both Y and Paul George have their player option so they will both unrestricted free agency if they want to member. They timed it up. That way inquired case most likely partially to line up with Paul George but also because that means he has the ten years experienced that means he can get the thirty-five percent Max with anybody. So that's that's the you know the whether that is the clippers or somebody else so there is some certainty that year. Yeah I do think. The fact that the clippers had really started playing a lot better before the hiatus makes me feel better about them. How Old Will Cohen? Pg BE AT THAT POINT. The between the thirties so for the the the season. That's relevant here quietly. Thirty and Paul George will be thirty one basketball reference ages. So I think they'll still be prime enough. You know like I think it'd be there but you think about how the the advancement will still probably be there for quiet. I think that's going to be for the rest of his career and then another thing to remember for some of these circumstances this'll be exceedingly relevant for the next time we talk about. Is that the clippers. I think they're going to load up as best. They can this off season and so they'll have a lot of those guys under contract. That does two things one is that means it will be harder for them to change direction. If one of those guys leaves like they won't just have a boatload of cap space in science somebody 'cause they're going to have like let's say. Marcus Morris on the books or somebody like you know they'll they'll be residing there guys to be as good as they can for next year and so then they'll throw in some obligations but the but the other part is both they'll have some better players they're not gonNA tank you know they're going to have some they're going to have some good good guys on the books you know. Sham Ed. And Beverly and all that's episode. So you get that and then that's where that's really relevant is the pick that has a lot of intrigue in certain certain respects. Which is Milwaukee? This is the pick that they traded to Cleveland in the in the salary plus George Hill Trade. And that pick will go to the cavs if it's eleven through thirty otherwise it has set of protections movie as a set of protections moving forward and so- Milwaukee there okay twenty one twenty two might be thinking. Why does that matter well? That's the year the season that is immediately following when honest would be a free agent if he doesn't extend so that the books have all of their other players under contract. You know Middleton and Lopez. They resigned all those guys in two thousand nineteen. But if you're honest leaves it'll be kind of like Garfield minus Garfield brought that up before of it's like you know they're they have all these pieces that work around. Janas and the good veterans but they might be a little bit too expensive at that point So what they do then. I think they're still going to be a very good team. But there is a little bit of value there from Cleveland's perspective. Yeah I have a pretty unfounded hypothesis but I've just been thinking about it and that is just with so much uncertainty now in the world and just the feeling that we've gotten that like wow like anything could be taken away from you at any time. I think that we'll see maybe a little bit more conservatism from everybody in their daily life. I mean you know how like people who lived through. The depression are never throw anything away. And they're really frugal and get upset with you. If you waste anything that kind of thing maybe. This event could have a similar effect on our generation. And I don't know exactly how that would affect put my thought would be. Okay if you can get a five year supermax contract in a place where you've been pretty happy. Maybe you take it right by thought is that maybe he be honest to be more likely to stay in. Milwaukee now because of the switch me again. This is maybe delving. Too deeply into psychoanalysis. So I'm not GonNa say that I know this to be the case but I doubt it'd be a thought. I think that players will generally default more towards taking money earlier and staying in the same location. Maybe with the exception of like wanting to go and be at home a beer on family. Maybe that that could be part of this too whatsoever but another piece of context here that I think is for Cleveland analyzing the value of this pick is my firm belief. Is that if if Janas doesn't extend let's say he for whatever this offseason whenever that is he just says. I'm not ready. I don't WanNa do that. Whatever whatever the reason might be the. They're going to keep them. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA do the Durant durant that was a different circumstance because the financials but basically what they're going to say is we think we can convince you to stay and we'll we'll keep you on the books and if you maybe five forever. Maybe win the championship that year. I think they have a good chance. And we'll see work so now. How does that affect? How does that affect the Cleveland stance on this? Well I mean I think that increases the upside of the pick because the idea that they could lose them for nothing and then everything else fees and maybe they made some trades well but if they lose them for nothing than it probably doesn't convey because it's only eleven to thirty. Yeah I guess that's a possibility. I mean I would imagine that they would probably try to reload at that point. Probably got a lot of older guys you know they might look at moving Khris Middleton. Even we'll see it but let's take a quick break. We talk a little bit more about some of these further out obligations at and get into of which of these types of asses. We'd rather have so twenty twenty three twenty twenty two but it's I think it's I think it's the weakest of these verse specific reasons so okay see would send their twenty twenty two. I to the hawks only if it's if they make the playoffs otherwise it becomes two seconds so this is to me one of those. We're upside once yet. There's no chance it's a lottery pack. It's more likely that it becomes seconds to that point so I don't think it's I don't think it's as as great. I believe this was the the Carmelo shooter trade so I mean it's entirely possible that okay. So He's good enough to make the playoffs. It is worth noting. That is the year of Chris Paul's gigantic player option. So I assume he's going to pick that up whether it's with the thunder or with somebody else and also Casey. None of their other veterans as of right now this could change with gala. Nari or any number of other things are under contract. Stephen Adams will have expired by this. Point Gallo. All those guys so the thunder could look dramatically different in twenty one twenty two but if they missed the playoffs they keep the pick and if they make the playoffs. Then you're getting you know you're getting picked. Probably in the twenty s so get into twenty twenty. Three there are only two picks out there. I've seen no on two picks to so there's there's there's one pick out there from twenty twenty three and beyond no two picks out there from twenty twenty three and beyond that are not owed to either the thunder or the Pelicans so one is. Miami's twenty twenty three I that one is lottery protected for two years three years. Actually and then unprotected in twenty twenty six and then the other one which is one that I I like pretty well in this I would probably have this one in the top five I would say is Golden State in two thousand twenty four depict the use to move on with that is one through four protected but golden say twenty twenty four. I think I almost have a little bit more certainty about them because it seems like okay. They're everyone that we know on the team is going to be on the downside at that point most likely you know. May maybe they get one other player here or this draft pick. That looks awesome but this isn't supposed to be an amazing draft and they don't have much flexibility to do anything so I think that they will probably be a lottery team by twenty twenty four. I'd say more likely than not there in the lottery. I'll give some of the other relevant Steph Clay. We'll be under contract and they'll aged thirty three season. Draymond has a twenty eight million dollar player option. They'll be as aged thirty three zero expect. He'll pick that yeah. The weekends will be twenty eight and then curry will have been a free agent previously. But if he's still on the worse than I expected he will be. He'll be thirty-five year. So yeah we're getting heavy into post prime at this stage for all of those guys and remember that they're not gonna have cap space between now and then so it's not like they can build up the worst really at all other than their their own. First-round pick this year and that's GONNA be years before this this less unless they get a star in this year's draft or use that to get a young star that will be another huge piece of this team. I think that's I think that's a fair interpretation. And this is one of my top five. It was number four. Yeah and then you just got. Houston Lakers and clippers making up the rest of these picks from now all the way. There's there's actually one other one which is Dallas Dallas. Okay I was getting there. Yeah Yeah that. That's the other twenty twenty three one. Which is the But that one. Interestingly is protected eleven to thirty four a couple of years and then it transitions into a second rather than becoming unprotected that as also owed to the Knicks from the PORZINGAS trade. So again I would say Dallas with the young talent. They have projects. Do not be a lottery. Team at your. I think they're sort of paralleling that Miami pick where it's like. You're probably not getting something good because if Dallas is bad enough they'll just keep now that could be the double draft though. That's probably the most likely time that we would have the double track with high schoolers and also the players who weren't eligible the year before coming off Rushmere is basically the the opposite of the two thousand six draft which was a relatively weak one. In retrospect but if you WANNA think about so we'll just I'll do this just for Miami because they're the team that changes so in for the twenty three they have that pick. They only have one major guy under contract right now for that year. And that's Jimmy Butler. They'LL BE IS AGE thirty three season if he picks up player option. But they're trying to be players in twenty one possibly in two thousand twenty but I doubt it so I think they will have those obligations. I think we'll have a really good idea. I mean how long can Pat Riley? Keep going on. Isn't he. Seventy Five. I think I think twenty twenty one off season is to be kind of like the last that I think that's going to be the throw the rings on the table again. See what you can do. Yeah and then he gives it. I don't know who the protege is there but whoever I think my instinct is that's going to be it but who knows it might be before that might be after that. Well let's look at this ever more holistic standpoint. We've got Lakers Clippers in Houston obligations from twenty four through twenty six. How who do you think will be the best of those the Arabs are? I guess we should say the worst of those teams at that time. I'm going to bet you know as you talked about. I think it's more on organizations than than individual players. It'd be basically starting with the twenty four draught. None of those three teams. Have anybody currently under contract. Probably not even Davis extent like if he does something this summer. Like you just you..

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"first round" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"I good Sunday to all of you. Dunk on listeners. Kinda weird even just talking about days anymore at this point. I guess we've still got the the rhythm of the podcast that to keep us through the only giving me rhythm Nate Syrup it felt good actually record with Hollinger today. We did a for those of you. Who enjoyed the decade tournament idea that I did with Ben Taylor? John and I did a worst teams of the decade tournament and that was A really good time with that. We spent a bunch of time researching it and then There we did a bunch of research for today to house actually busy all day today which was Nice A welcome distraction. Good news is you guys are still tuning in Listen Don a little bit. I think because people aren't commuting and obviously because there are no gains but we thank you guys for continuing to listen and as long as you guys are listening. We'll have content for you for sure. I mean I'm not hopefully People will still be advertising and selling products that But for the time being that seems to be working out okay so we will be here with you guys for as long as this goes on and people are still listening so thanks again for your support. It's good to be part of this committee. I appreciate all the Nice messages that I've gotten. I'm sorry. I haven't a chance to respond to everyone but a talking about how. The article that I wrote was useful for them or just letting me know. What your experiences are it just it. It's good to hear from everyone and still have a little bit of a sense of community here as we go through this. So we're going to do today. We want to introduce this concept. You're doing yeah I mean it was funny. I pitched it to you before I realized the scope of the project being so basically the idea that we you and I've talked about various ways of doing kind of like a asset ranking type of idea and what this is going to be as it's a section of it but I think in many ways is the most interesting and important section to do in something like this which is just going through and ordering and talking about the first round picks that are owed outstanding. So it's you know so. So what what? What teams What what are the most valuable picks that one team owes another and because those are all tradable and everything else and it brings about a bunch of really challenging arguments? That don't necessarily have right answers. But I think you and I both have strong feelings about which sometimes we'll talk about where those are differ from where the average general manager is. You may have oversold bill but not sure that I have strong feelings about some of these arena and yeah like you I. I knew there was a lot out there but on a I'll tell people there are thirty three were to that we're going to skip because it's the the warriors pick from this year and the cavs pick because as things stand right now. The odds of those actually conveying are so low as first round picks that it's just they don't really count. Yeah and so. I'm not sure I have that sort of opinions because I just I at some point. I kinda through my hands with all these. The Lakers and the Clippers and Houston picks that are due four years from now. I'm like man you know. What do I make it that I think we'll get into some of the methodologies that we use but yeah I mean I remember when we did this camera two three years ago or so but I felt it was much easier to order stuff in because you had teams that were already bad who owed picks in the next couple of years and so those appear to be pretty valuable now as it turned out Sacramento Twenty Nineteen and Lakers twenty eighteen? Now Memphis Twenty. Twenty one or twenty twenty. I guess it's GonNa turn out to be a those picks weren't as useful as people thought there'd be those Brooklyn picks turned out to probably be higher than people thought they would be so a reminder that all of this very much change but a few other factors I wanted to put in here. Two Thousand Twenty supposed to be a bad draft. I'm not sure how the hiatus is going to enter into that. I'm not really thinking that that would reduce the value of twenty twenty six particularly. Let me sit at this point. There is a there is a specific thing that might factor in which the cap gets lower than that means. The rookie scale will get lower. So those picks could be. But I don't think you you're trying to get the best player that's more than the financial value the pick but yeah. It's the the widely-held expert opinions. Is that the twenty twenty. Isn't good and that the twenty twenty one draft could be very so. I'm looking forward to the hoop summit this year and seeing the likes of Kate Cunningham for the first time but unfortunately that's That may not be happening. But Yeah Twenty. Twenty one is supposed to be better Twenty twenty two was supposed to be the double draft. I would say that. It seemed like they weren't trending in the direction of reaching agreement on that anyway maybe to have high schoolers entered the draft. Now with all this uncertainty I mean maybe that still happens because they're just going to be negotiating everything else anyway to get the league back started again so might as well. Just throw that in there as something else But my guess would be. Maybe that's now going to be pushed back a year especially with all the chaos in college basketball as well that maybe twenty twenty three could be the double draft rather than twenty twenty two. Yeah and we know the League wants to give a little bit of notice the teams but considering how many picks are treated so far out. I think they can't care as much as they were going to originally was like. Oh we wanted to drive for their no obligations. I think they know it's going to have to happen at some point. Some teams are going to get inconvenienced. Some teams are going to benefit. Well and then just to kind of spread things out among the years and we'll get into a lot of these obviously in terms of specifics but for just the twenty twenty draft. We've got nine first. Round picks that have an alternate destination as of this point presumably before the draft. There can be more trades in that regard as well but this far out that is a lot of picks that have changed hands and many of them really within the last year year and a half. Yeah thank you Paul George Leonard and yeah well that's just twenty twenty two. I mean that wasn't the Yeah I mean there are a lot of teams. Were definitely willing to part with first round picks within the last couple years Twenty twenty one. We've got probably between ill because there are some protections here most likely is. Maybe I'd say five five picks that already traded that another two that could go that Europe but are probably more likely to roll over And one of those the swap we're Kinda just including swaps in this as well. Yeah but we'll know for a swamp lake it so theoretically what the. Let's use the Knicks Clippers. One for twenty twenty one. That was another part of the Marcus. Trade the Knicks basically the the way the Knicks. Get the clippers. Pick if it is both better than the next pick but not top four and so like yeah as a technical matter that dot one west yet but technically has an asset. That's like well what the next can trade is the better of their own pick and the you know the better of their own picking will but the Knicks pick hasn't been traded. So you know what I'm saying like we're being fair and judicious with those Somebody else that I think is is really interesting. Thinking about this time is protection an upside. So what if you have a team? That's good right now like the clippers. So we'll we'll do this. I'll do this with an actual concrete example. So what's go all the way out to twenty twenty six and they're only two obligations that you're both of which are held by the thunder. They the clippers unprotected. I and they have the rockets. I if it's not in the top four so it's five thirty so then you get into those questions. Well okay. I would expect with their own. Everything else that the clippers will be a better team on you know because you're washing away all the talent that far out and but the but the rockets pick has that little bit of protection. If it doesn't convey then it becomes a script so you have to squirrel. Those things that you're headed well was the chance that it's a top five. Pick everybody else. That's why I founded such an interesting exercise and then also gives an opportunity which will go through at one point of how the League is GonNa look in a few years you know. We did the crystal ball but this is actually in some ways looking even far further beyond that and so like I hadn't really thought about the twenty three twenty four Golden State Warriors and that ends up being really important to this. Yeah I think when you get that far out my philosophy is GonNa be. I'm going to bet on the organization a late more. I mean the warriors are in a little bit different of a of a standpoint here because they've got a lot of old guys who are on big contracts and so for them to be able to hit before then you would imagine. They'd be on the downside. Where's this could just be a completely different iteration of say the Clippers in two thousand twenty six? But Yeah I mean you WanNa ask me what. I rather have the clippers. Twenty twenty two twenty twenty four or twenty twenty six unprotected pick. How the Hell should I? I mean I guess I guess. Twenty twenty two. You think that they would still have Paul. George Grizzard probably wouldn't be that one and two thousand twenty six is so far away but maybe there would be and that's another part of this I- looted in the beginning to the idea that we value this a little differently than general manager is that immediacy matters more to them than to us. Because you wanna get the benefits while you're still in the job because it say hey look at the thing. I got you in west. It's like such a blue chip asset you and I are. Hey it's like five picks a couple of years later but that's better but you're also you know the further out you go the less certainty you have a wall. So absolutely yeah. This is going to be an interesting discussion Yeah especially because in this case the highest upside picks are all further out. So I will. We'll get into this here and see where some of these picks are are going to rank for us in just a second. You've heard me talk about hymns and how it is the service that I used to treat my.

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