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Sales and marketing alignment with Intercom's Jeff Serlin and Brian Kotlyar

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37:46 min | 2 years ago

Sales and marketing alignment with Intercom's Jeff Serlin and Brian Kotlyar

"Hey, everyone, I'm feelin feeling elite L welcome to incite intercom businesses to grow you need your teams to be executing together and firing on all cylinders at the same time. But one partner should that tends to be fright with misalignment so one between sales and marketing, it's a deeply intertwined relationship. Sales relies on marketing to drive leads and marketing depends on sales to convert the lease they bring in and when revenue targets slip. It's easy for the finger pointing to start and the fireworks. So is there a better way for marketing and sales to reach alignment, we brought in inner calms the man gen director, Brian Cotler, and our senior sales operations director, Jeff sterling to have a candidate discussion on this topic. And let me tell you. They did not hold back it talks about whether sales should care about how marketing is get leads suppose. If I was good enough at my. Job. It's possible. You wouldn't have to care. However, I don't think I'm that good. I don't think any marketers that good. And I think the truth is that for me to be affective. You need to care how sales and marketing voice finger pointing by architect in revenue plans together, there has to be a revenue plan ninety sows plan and marketing plan, certainly the tactics beneath it, you know, I don't want to sit with you and figure out what your strategy is. But I want to make sure align event strategy is going to generate XM out. I'm probably going to spend X amount to do this got into the topic of sales comp lands and whether marketers should have similar incentives is a leader, regardless of incentive plan. It's your responsibility to set expectations for the team that it doesn't matter that you ship the new website. If we missed our number. It doesn't matter that we did thirty women ours. If we missed our number. Jeff, and Brian provided a really on his look at what it takes to foster sales and marketing alignment and growing businesses. So let's hop into the studio and listen. You're listening to inside intercom intercom making internet business personal at scale. Learn more at intercom dot com. Everyone. I'm Brian Kotler. I run demand growth and income. Joining me for today's conversation on the podcast is Jeff Serlin. Jeff's our head of sales ops here. We're going to talk today about the role of marketing sales and driving revenue growth for for companies like ours and companies like yours forget started. Would you mind giving our listeners a little bit of a rundown about your career? And how you got into this chair cost me. Yeah. Thank you. Brian good to be here. I think I'll keep a kind of focused on the operations part of it. I am almost embarrassed to say, but I've been doing south operations for about fifteen plus years when I started. There was no such thing. There was no role people weren't recruiting for it. It was in its own specific physician. I was biz Dev person actually had a marketing role right helped out some early kind of nurturing lead screen before most of that item -ation was out. But I was the guy in the back that always said, well, we need to look at our pipeline. How much should we create this month? How are we moving it through where we're gonna track I would run around trying to get four. Recast cast from everybody, even though it wasn't my primary position when we first got or when I first got sells for dot com. And early two thousands no-one kind of knew what to do with it. So I sat down and created a couple of basic processes and workflows I kind of migrated towards their and it starts becomes something real about ten eleven years ago. Somebody asked me who was a head us AL's who knew my background want someone that was very well rounded kinda run operations full-time, and I took the plunge, and that's when I started thinking about it as a career as a function something strategic and just developing my skills across all of that since that time, I've either set up or one that perations team sows a little bit of marketing ops and even a little bit of finance at time at about four different companies, most of them successful, and I joined here, I think a little bit after you about a year ago to kind of build it out here as well. Great. Thank you for that. So how about your turn Brian? How did you get into demand generation, but also marketing operations, well, I think similar to you. Think these are as my mother always says, these are jobs that didn't exist when you went to college. How did you end up in this weird job? I can't explain to your friends. Major and sells on. Yeah. Exactly, nor did I major in marketing ops. Basically, I guess my start came because of just kind of what companies needed my training was as an industry analyst, which I did a lot of writing and my entry into startups time really well for the emergence of inbound and content marketing as thing, and because that became sort of the primary way that businesses were driving demand. It really labeled me to get a really good holistic view of sort of what's the relationship between what we want to sell what we need to say. And how are we going to? How are we going to generate leads and so from there was able to experiment with Email but with advertising website optimisation? And then of course, the natural push. That falls is does this stuff making us any money, and that's generally marketing operation steps in. And in my case, I was small company there was no Martha operations. And so it was my role to help solve those questions and build up the team. Solve those questions in the skill away. And that's kind of what I've been doing ever since is devising the programs that will cause activity in the market. And then attempting as best we can on the other side to measure, what those things are make promises to the business about the revenue those things will create and then hold ourselves accountable to those promises you've mentioned that you lead marketing ad number of companies, if you early stage ones, what advice do you have for startups when they're thinking about initially building out in scowling, theirselves marketing functions. Yeah. I think I should call it this by saying that I'm naturally, I think because of some of the experience I had early stage businesses that may be scaled a bit too quickly like, I'm nationally low conservative, and I think others might might even say this is too conservative ice. But with that said, my general guidance is that I've seen so many companies failed because they scaled sales too quickly. It's very easy for a very founder group at the advice of a bunch of capitalist. Or whatever to say we've sold one hundred K with the stuff. We're ready to scale go higher. Sales people need a hotshot director who need a bunch of as we test ers and so on and in my experience that could be true. But it rarely is true in that first initial push I think just a pattern icy time, and again, so I think the first bit advice, I would say is just because you're making some money doesn't mean you're ready to build out complex full-bore sales organization because kind of your specialty. It's like if you can't easily answer questions like what's my opportunity to close rate what kind of pipeline my expecting for each of these reps. And so on you're probably not ready on the marketing side, I think on over there. The simple kind of thing. I would say piece of advice. I would say is there's a kind of a thought process going around on a lottery among marketers these days, which they do that essentially, we're all paying Google Facebook rent. It's like we pay rent to be on a page of search results, we pay rent to show up in people's news feeds, and that's just how it has to be to appear to be visible and relevant and somebody that's necessary task to be affective. But for earlier stage company, it's really easy to burn. A lot of your cash really fast on things that you're not really set up to actively do have a sales team place monetize, those leads can your product to it for you and things like that. So the the other thing I would say is like I believe really strongly that you need to do is sort of a portfolio of tactics and that the range from the very expensive to the very very cheap. And it's only through a balance of those things you pay your rent where you have to and you moved off the land for free where you don't. And the combination of those things is what gives you the right folio to help you grow. I think that the whole point of doing this is Howdy evolve overtime radius star where do you get to after twelve months free to get to after yet out one million to that five million to that ten in twenty million? So that's great transition to ask you. So, you know, my comments were a lot about earlier businesses you've done sales operations operations, generally and businesses across the whole spectrum of scale as companies mature, how do you see the relationship between sales and marketing changing in the relationship between the operations teams changing as as they grow income more complex. Yeah. Good question. I think that. As you mentioned when you start off its first, let's validate that people are willing to give us some money for this. And you're probably in that before you think of the tactics that you mentioned or the best basket of tactics. Probably before even came up with the strategy of kind of who you want to sell to you what size, and what type of of companies, I think in the early days. It's just kind of go get that number go acquire customers. Go figure out why they're buying and then go get some more of them. I don't know that you need a lot of sales operations or even a big sales team as you mentioned. I think you just need enough bodies. They handle the leads people that have this overwhelming mindset of, you know, optimistic I guess is a good word of it's something new, but we see some early people consuming it. So we're gonna go sell more. I think that is he start getting multiple offices or multiple Geos or multiple segments smaller companies larger companies or even sales manager or two is when you need start thinking about placing operations in place. And I think one of the things that happens when the marketing team starts to get bigger and sales team starts to get bigger is, unfortunately marketing, and Sal starts to I think diverge sit at different places of the building go through different processes of figuring out what they need to do. And I think the role of both of our operations teams is to pull them tighter. When it was maybe five or six people sitting all together earlier at the time. So as they mature or as a company matures both of those organizations are going to mature. And I think without that inbetween that glue or the stitching of what really operations is what my team does. And what yours dies to keep them together into one continuous supply chain that you start to see marketing targeting a segment and sows recruiting to fill sales capacity that has emotion that is inconsistent with that segment and then bad things happen. You're either spending money on on pipeline that isn't getting convert it or sales's converting pipeline that you don't or otherwise, we're not wanna. Convert and you have those mismatches. So I think the operations needs to get more sophisticated needs to get more operationally. I don't know if that's a word, but you need to start documenting things you need to start aligning your processes needs start having more structure and governance in how you do everything. And I think if you just keep structure governance alignment staying on the same page. Same KPI's constant communication that. You can typically grow your cells and marketing team together in the right sort of ways, the company scowls, it makes a lot of sense. I really like the idea kind of to plot an idea from there, it seems like you sort of get that alignment in that sense of being one team sort of for free when you're small, and it seems almost like what you're saying is as the companies get bigger more complicated, the role of operations is to preserve that sort of oneness and sort of single team mentality way of working one hundred percent. I think if you hire a dedicated events person, we know on how Challe. It is to manage the logistics of setting up executing a great event. And there's a a core skill set that not tiny people have and you're gonna hire someone who's optimizing that. But they might not be fully aware of how you take that you do the premarketing where you gather, the leads or you get them into nurture tracks or you pass them over to sales to truly pipeline off at and that's okay, because they're all, you know, put to gather some really really great events. And I think that's where the marketing ops team working with the south ops team can help that specific tactic that you're investing in get closer and pull it back into this concept of one teen while allowing those other resources he might not even ever think sales on her then who's going to staff the booth, you know, to do what they do best accents. So that to you. I mean, you know, clearly sales and marketing is is has always been I think you, and I would believe had to be very close needs to be close from your perspective. What is successful partnership walk like back to Sowell's? And how should cells view that as well? With respect to being good partners to marketing. I totally agree. I really would go something you mentioned a bit a little while ago. Which is think what's really helpful is when both parties think of it as a supply chain, and that we're all were manufacturing the same thing on behalf of our employer, which is revenue for the business. And so I think kinda starting there with that grounding. I think the foundation of successful partnership is understand that and that sounds sort of I don't know routine or boring to say, but is not always the case some sales organizations, they're just in a local acquisition game actually trying to make money for their business because that's the way that they're accomplishment set up or that's what their leadership is driving. And I would actually say more commonly the marketing team might think oh, my job is building brand. And the my question again being the revenue operations person is to what end we don't sell her. We saw stuff and the branch was to help ourselves stuff. But a lot of mercury stations. Be like my job is build the brand. My jobs have wonderful facilities for employees. Work in. And that's true. That's part of your job. But always asked that question is to what I think once you're there once you have that that sort of a lion of what is the outcome that marketing and sales are trying to get together. Then I think you get into the fun part of the partnership was, of course, a lot of things that you and I do together which is. Yeah. Giving each other a hard time of our respective contributions to the supply chain but getting aligned on kind of what you should earlier showed early. Like, okay, how we're going to get. There was the officiant way for our business mutually to get to the revenue outcome, we want our we staffed correctly. We have the capacity can I actually drive the sort of leads that you need the time line that you need it. And that's kind of where the the phone in fact, actually, the art. I would say our rules comes in because there's not a playbook that you can just execute in my experience. I wish there were. And there's very rarely obvious answer. Oh, hire ten reps and buy some Facebook ads in the problem goes away. Like that has never worked for me. I don't know anyone that's ever worked for it. I don't expect it ever will. So I think that that's kind of that just getting really aligned and. How we work and how we kind of forecast trying to shape the futures key my experience where I think because of that mentality has been good at times, it's been frankly, very very very bad though. And I think it always the foundation of where it goes wrong is when there's a misalignment of expectations of what the supply chain China make when there's a misalignment of expectations of the plan that we should have developed but often did not to get there. And then Lastly, I do think that sometimes there can be a lack of just understanding education that both jobs are hard. You can both know you're supposed to be making money. You can both agree on a plan. But it's always easy. My be little folksy firm, it my uncle has the saying he always uses which is never take out the trash when no one's looking because known appreciates harbor else's job as if they don't see it or appreciate it feel it. And so I think that that's just like you kind of have to have empathy for the party on the other side driving leads of quality at any sort of scale, super hard super expensive and takes time closing leads of any quality. At any scale on a time line and a printable way is super heart. And I think when you see we you start to see the fissures between the departments emerge is when people forget that. I guess question for you. I talked a little bit about planning. How do you feel about planning? Do you think that the kind of what I shared is? Right to do it. Is there a better way to do it? Like if you could just draw the whiteboard the perfect planning process for for sales and marketing relation go through. What would that look like a good question? I think it I it has to be together. I think there's one plan. There has to be a revenue plan. Not a house plan any marketing plan, certainly the tactics beneath it, I don't want to sit with you and figure out what your strategy is. But I want to make sure align that strategy is going to generate X amount. We're probably going to spend X amount to do this. I think it has to start from a shared primis of what the objective is which is to get our number and generate revenue I think then has to start with building it together of how waterfalls back upstream. So every inflection point every point that we measure every definition that we use. Every way that our systems are set up to capture those to make them visible and do all the hand offs are completely one hundred percent, align I think that it should go down into the details forgiving that. Cac target for example of we can spend whoever we want. I can choose to have less SDR's, for example. If I know that the money that you can use from that is going to go to generating more different sorta leads. So I think it's just one plan. And I think we both need to put it together meaning sales marketing start from the stages of what are we trying to Chievo what boundaries and barriers. Do we have an constructing in a way that maximizes that outlet and allows us to do to do more than than we could? If we did them separately. So one plan one spreadsheet one set of metrics one approval process, but also aligned on the incentives against that plan you and I should in a sense be measured against the same thing. So that in theory anything that we decide to work on an outward on his. Meeting both of our goals, especially on a personal level. So I just think it has to be together and having you know, PA or some other team facilitate that process of revenue planning, I think is a very good way of doing it. I think that creates a natural tension of is this going to be impactful, and how are we going to manage this? But if it's not our plan that we can easily point a finger at each other. And I think that's when you kind of get into dangerous territory of pointing it at each other and said of the challenge the problem that we're trying to solve and both being on the same page is solving that I wonder I think it's a just a fall of thought, I suppose it's like I think we both have been in that situation where either because we plan together and now things have gone awry, or because we failed to plant together. And we're in that finger pointing situation I guess for like the listeners who may encounter that is there. A good way like to to find a way out of that problem because I think it's inevitable every business. A number gets missed, you know, and then no we all like to think role actress that will take that burden alone, and whatever, but that's just not realistic fingers will be pointed. So how do you know having been in that situation? How do you think about dealing with that when that happens? Well, I think if sour the premise that numbers will be missed here point plan is predicting the future, and if we can predict the future on, you know, we might be in Vegas instead of out here in the room talking to each other about sales of marketing, so these star with the mindset, and the premise that we're putting together a whole bunch of sumptious and tactics and timing against them of showing how we're gonna get tarleton mill jettison that some months, we're outperform in some months, we're going to underperform and some months it's going to be the complete opposite of what we saw the month before I think if we start with the premise that is our plan we have the joint KPI's, and we both present the joint KPI's back where people on our teams put them together to tell that story. Then we're taking out the personalities or the organization where literally talking about what's working, and what's not working and from the basis of we know, it's probably not going to work perfectly in every number and every assumption that we wrote down with a we're going to tackle the problem together and everything I believe in the revenue cycle. You can probably attribute it some to marketing in the quality of leads, but also some sales execution. I always think that that is true. If you step back and take a real hard critical rally based view of the world of dropping leads working on the different ones system's not working of enablement. So that we can drive more consistency or you know, better top of the funnel tactics. So that we actually get the folks in nurture them in your proper way to what we need on the other end. So I think the truth always lies and bow sales marketing, and then I think if you have that culture in that governance, and that relationship that drives you working together solve problems. You avoid the finger pointing the finger pointing happens. Maybe when it's not the. Two of us involved. It could be a CEO or could be CR could be a CFO who's literally going in there. Wanting to knock heads in signed blame. I think if that happens it puts us in a tough spot. But I think that if we truly are partners in this will figure out a way around that and get back to the business of of accelerate Negra. Hey there I'm from the intercom sales team. We'll be back with our guest in just a moment. But I wanted to quickly tell you about intercom latest book the sales handle. If there's one problem every business will confront it's this. How do I grow revenue faster? It doesn't matter. 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What are those things that that marketing is currently doing to try to stay more relevant in this new world that we all live in. Yeah. I think it's funny process. I would say like somehow back to basics and reinvention happening kind of constantly right next to each other. So what I would say is it's like one of the expressions. I use a lot of times. It's like be the marketing, which is my specialty. But I wouldn't even you could even Brown marketing marketing, his boring like in the sense that for any given campaign that we're ever going to run I could probably seven months prior ever happening. Jot down every single channel that we're gonna use. They'll probably be an event will probably be some ads. Those ads will probably run into start number of places. They'll probably be meals. We said they'll probably go over pretty well established period of time with the pretty standard. Cadence. They'll probably have similar C T as like all that stuff is not where the. Innovation of marketing lies generally in my experience. I think where the really interesting stuff happens is when you start to mix those in different orders in different sequences in different ways to reach different audiences and get different outcomes. And like one of the things simple example would be if I'm trying to get to a CEO, I know that CEO's often have administrative assistance. So I know have two people have to influence the Adleman and the CEO. And so my tool kit is that boring toolkit. I just shared, but I can now apply to different people and closely cause them to interact in a way that's favorable to me. And my rep who's going to be doing outreach send a gift to the Adleman. And then two weeks later sent her a package at the C O referencing the gift and have followed calls in between or whatever all that was phone calls in packages. However, they get the outcome that we're trying to get at. Meanwhile, I'm trying to affect a director at a small company. They don't have a listed number or desk phone. So that phone part of the package is out, but they also don't have Adleman. So all of a sudden a drive by. Swing through at the office and dropping something off. I might get walked right up to that person's desk at the hand them the gift, and we can program that whole experience to gain. It's not anything. We didn't invent a whole new way of marketing reaching people. But we're applying in the right way to the right person one of the areas, I think of tension potentially that exists between sales and marketing teams is a high percentage of the compensation of sows wraps, and even managers as leverage, and it's tied to end result closing deal generating revenue, and it's not always the case for marketing. And I think that puts a little more maybe urgency or real time faster gency on a sales team to have the need to get the leads that they need to get the right type of quality of leads that they need. I don't think that were ever gonna have marketing on a similar sort of leverage house plan. But I do think that marketing can have some incentives and one's income plan. And that impact their variable that do align to what needs to be delivered to south what that whole revenue chain needs to deliver. What are your thoughts on what? Some incentives in good formats methodologies for incentives, especially for the teams that you run a manage have been affected. So I think I'm totally agreed that the outcome of trying to get at is a marketers -ation that is focused on driving revenue for the business. And in doing that. I think it can't it'll set them up to feed the sales position the right way. I think what's can be really hard about this is that the immediate answer that you would think when you ask that question is, okay. We'll put him on a performance plan tied to revenue or the closest metro they can affect revenue which is probably Jenn. It's hard about. That is marketing is kind of like a zoo with all different animals in and all those animals are have different attributes. So the content team has such a different form of contribution to the pipeline than the Email team than the operations team than the whatever don't pick your poison. So it gets really challenging at times. I find to come up with a fair plan to generically applied all of marketing. So I think at that point. I would actually fall back on things. One is. Everyone in my opinion, should have some degree of variable compensation, and it should be either tied to one of two things either to the closest metric they can affect that drives revenue or just company attainment overall, which and then of course, in Texas's also have some equity, which is effectively tied to company attainment overall. The other thing though, that I think in a lot of cases actually, Trump's that is culture, I think that you can have marketing departments that are revenue entered in their culture, and you can have Marcon departments that are not revenue oriented in their culture. And I think is a leader, regardless of incentive plan, it's your responsibility. If that's the kind of organization, you want is to set expectations for the team that it doesn't matter that you ship the new website. If we missed our number. It doesn't matter that we did thirty women ours. If we missed our number now, maybe those have some long term benefits that we can't fully compute at the moment. But the fact is the businesses failing marketing is not succeeding, and I think that's a cultural thing that you need to set first. And then align incentive comp appropriately thereafter. But you still have to keep mind you have to be. Fair. It's hard for designer to affect revenue the way a salesperson can. And if you just apply kind of a blanket complaint tied to revenue sometimes you put folks that don't have a lot of control in very difficult positions because they feel helpless, and that's a really bad outcome because they're like I made less money this month. But what would you have this conversation? They come to me. And they say what should I have done differently to change that number eight? Yeah, I think people that are directly or marketing teams for generating pipeline responsible for generating leads on are the ones that you can most closely align, those metrics, I think even shared point of view of SQL or pipeline that SDR teams are compensated against in the plein that same exact thing with the same definition the same measures less leverage, obviously to the marketing team. That's responsible for demand generation. I always found to be effective. You're right. I even questioned whether parts of the operations team should be on variable time to cells delivery or not the further you get away from having. Cnet more knots the hardest to do that. But I think there are areas of opportunity to align and very specifically aligned incentives across both of those teams should sales care. I know I will. But in general, should we care? How you're getting the leads or should we kind of leave it to you to the right set a Leeds at the right persona the right level of buying intent. And what you figure out the rest. Do we care? And should we care? Screw question. Actually as I think about this. I mean, I suppose if I was good enough at my job. It's possible that you wouldn't have to care. However, I don't think I'm that good. I don't think any marketers that good. And I think the truth is that for me to be affective you need to care because you need to build a look at what is going on. And tell me you did what why how are you insane? Or this is really working. Oh my goodness. I'm following up on these things that you put in market, and I've been cold calling for six months, and it feels like, you know, the skies parted, and it's a sunny day for the first time, and I'm getting some traction and building pipeline and. Yeah. Benchley if your systems are so bright, you see that stuff in your CRM. You see that stuff in the pipeline reports. But the earliest indicator is happy salespeople like the canary in the coal mine is a bunch of STR's that are making money or a, you know, in the case of a product oriented business, you know, a bunch of trials that have just come through come through the pipeline, and that stuff is going to be visible so long before your company ever actually makes money, and you need to be tied to sales to understand the flavor of what's going on. And then I would also say that both of the best of you mentioned earlier most of the best selves I've ever worked with are kind of secretly marketers. They're testing different headlines for the emails they're playing with different calls to actions. They're sending. I mean, I used to know one guy great salesperson he used to send out his own direct mail campaigns. And I came to him and said, I haven't intern here I have budget. Let me send this for you. I won't even change anything. I'll just let the envelopes and put the stamps. I said, no, this is my process, I like to touch the marketing, I like to know what my people got in the mail. I like to know what they're interacting with. And I think that that's a great attributes. You can learn the most marketer from the people doing the work is take an interest in what you do. Yeah. I I agree with you. There. You ask me a question earlier about cells, folks, I I think that was part of my data driven intellectual wanting to learn I think once had understand how things come into their pipeline and are able to work on honing the tactics along with their partners, the best I love the sales reps that come up to the marketing floor and say, hey, I see you're doing this event or this webcast. How can I help? How can I get involved? Yeah. Totally. Hey, Brian one question for you. I know that we wanna be great partners. Right. Bless you say that sales is feeling that they're not getting the level of leads either the volume or the quality that they need in order to hit their numbers and their conversion rates are holding their ASP's are holding etc. Cetera to avoid what we talked about before the pointing the finger and the potentially screaming at each other. If this was brought to you, what are the things that when you hear that where you see that you typically go down, maybe not completely. Checklist form, but what are those areas that you start to look at to try to dissect and understand what may be going on and most importantly, take some action. So I think the first thing I would do is. I would look at sort of what is the? You basically what you want wanna always do? You wanna you wanna go to where the volume is? And in different kinds of marketing jobs, I've had in different kinds of business. I've had that means something different. So like at Entercom because we have a product that you can run a credit card for him by and such a large percentage of our sales motion is derived from that the thing that you can do is you can affect the web experience and what happens on the web. And you wanna go investigate has something changed their to detriment or could we make a change to improve? That's volume is that's where small change can make the biggest difference in other centers. I've been in. It's been about the database. We know we sent an Email with a certain incentive late in the quarter. And then other situations I've been in it's been about partnership. It just really varies because it's where where's the volume coming from? That's always the first place. I look, unfortunately, there's not always an obvious answers sitting where the volume is. And that's what people start getting into this idea of growth hacks, and this and that, and you know, I say this all time, I don't really believe in growth acts. I think all generally what that means is you're sacrificing some long term good for some short term benefit. And that's rarely the right thing to do. Yeah. But I do think what you can start to do is you can start to look for. There's no obvious change. You can make with volume is now I start to look at sort of my secondary and tertiary channels for things that are sort of just have not been off demised, especially in a growing business or in a large business that's been around for a while. What happens is you have all these initiatives that have begun. All these things that were good enough. And you never really kind of squeeze all the benefit to the business out of them that you could have or should have. I mean, we were in the situation recently, even here at Entercom where there was a channel I was overseeing and we'd implemented it, and it was starting to perform and stop paying attention to it couple months. Go by and I'm looking at sort of our portfolio and trying to think how how are we going to get to the next spot in dawns on me? You know, we never actually went through step by step through that whole flow and made sure that it was right? Just never at time. We have a bothered, and if we just go back, and we just fix those things were get it's almost like free money. You've done all the hard work of implementing a process or channel. And what you haven't done is the really hard work of seeing it through. Through like, a very detail oriented way to get the benefit you want. So I guess like in a nutshell. I I go to the volume look for something broken or something easy to fix or implement. And then I go looking for channels that have high potential but haven't been fully implemented properly. And usually there's enough opportunity in those two areas that you can get your outcome. Pretty fast. What about for you? If if I'm every indicator I've got and there's no data issues at all. You know, every indicate got says marketings doing their job. And yet we're not hitting our numbers, and it looks like something's going wrong in the sales funnel. How do you think about diagnosing? Where do you look to fix it? Yeah. If I knew you're going to ask that back and might not have asked in the first place, but the question I think a little bit. Then we talked about partnering and tension the tension that exists is in south Riveria action oriented, so I think it acts here question is on a daily basis if we're a good modern data driven analytical team are constantly looking at Nash, boards and trends and metrics and staying on top say conversions or first response time where the things that you might want to measure in terms of pipeline flow, and what's happening on. We also spend a lot of time looking at the individual performance differences between, you know, great reps and ones that are struggling between offices between Sal. Manager's between geographies I think that because there's so much data about that in south for says hard frost, sometimes hide behind parks acumen. I think that we go back and look at the same things that you would we're going to look to see are we converting at the same rate. We're going to go look and see what's the basket of leads that were getting in. We're going to go look to see if people have left the business where where for ramping up a whole bunch of new reps. We're going to go take a look at their specific 'execution and probably on the sales managers to over rotate for a little time of digging into that are they doing the things that we want them to do are. They following the play books are they on top of first response time and the other metrics and the quality of their interactions where we want it to be. So that's one area. We also look at process change a lot times things get put into the process or the workflow that we aren't necessarily aware of or more. I guess directly not aware of the. Potential downside of the complexity or the impact where the inefficiencies may put in there. We might have had someone from Arkan do a big event that was mostly about building brand and loaded up. If I was in new leads and told us is that they have to kind of go in and work those for this whole week, and that alone explain some of the leads not flowing into that pipeline. So I think that's where it comes back to alignment between our two groups of making sure we're focusing on the right things, if we see the metrics are offer training, the wrong way, we have a responsibility to raise them and to dig in and understand what's driving them and correct them which could be enablement and training, which could be making some personnel decisions which could be people like me or Ciero jumping in and personally getting involved for little while deal inspection and pipeline reviews in forecasting to make sure that we get, you know, the rules of engagement or just the importance of managing things the gold if you wanna call that believes that men in the right sort of way. So I think it's a little bit of both. I think it's are we doing what we're supposed to be doing has there been a change of process. That's impacting this do we have it shift in the mix of the people that we have. And we have to think about enabling ramping reeducating. I do we have something that we can fix from technology. If all of that, isn't there you, and I are probably spending a lot of time thinking on the bigger picture of maybe what's changed which could be external competitors market shifts the flaw, maybe the assumptions we used for what segment we're targeting as. Well. So I think it's it's relevant for both of us important for both of us to constantly be in top metrics. I shouldn't have to tell you that leads aren't getting to where we need them to be in. You shouldn't have to tell me that are conversions kind of training in the wrong direction. And I think once again, if we you know, maybe and this discussion on where one team one plan one set of metrics once head of Ashbourne constantly reviewing them together. Those things are made visible and come to light far before we get into the point when we're screaming and yelling at each other to to fix these things. And I. I think that when it works like that. Great results. Come from it completely. Thank you, Brian. This has been fun. Yeah. Thanks. You've been listening to the inside intercom podcast for more episodes. Visit soundcloud dot com slash intercom. If you'd like to subscribe, six for inside intercom in tunes for Stitcher, and for even more, great, content checkout blog, Entercom dot com.

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Gun Violence

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Gun Violence

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash powerhouse. That's indeed dot com slash powerhouse <music> welcome to powerhouse politics. I'm a._b._c. news political director recline and i'm a._b._c. Senior congressional correspondent. Mary bruce and it's been a somber and a sobering week here. In washington antony across the country as we mourn the massive loss of life from these two shootings one in texas one in ohio happen just out within hours of each other of course after another shooting a week earlier in california and it has sparked a big nationwide discussion debate around gun policy and quite a bit more than that mary this has been a a week where we have been debating of the meaning of words the meaning of rhetoric and the and whether the president of the united states deserves any culpability in an inspiring mass shooter and rick in so many ways unfortunately the response that we've seen this week does feel all too familiar right we are we are once once again plunged back into a conversation about gun control about mental health health about what this country if anything is going to do to stop this horrific rise in gun violence but yet there is something that feels different this time around and part of that i think is this conversation that you referenced that we are having about the power of words about the role that we expect our political leaders to play in setting a tone and tenor and the danger <hes> those words can have when <hes> misconstrued construed when they are not used to unite the country but he divide the country and it has lit a spark the question now is whether anything is going to change and and it puts this president under a very harsh spotlight <hes> this is one of the more consequential days of his presidency president trump as we speak is visiting a hospital and victims families in dayton ohio <hes> he'll be heading later in the day to el paso we have not seen this president <hes> quite frankly <hes> rise rise to the occasion of consoler in chief the way we've seen previous presidents do it and it has been an item that the twenty twenty candidates are talking about. We're gonna talk about how it's recast and recalibrated the race in a few moments omits but but keeping our focus i with the president mary he he did have an initial speech on on monday that <hes> seemed rips out of the teleprompter directly to the camera <hes> talking about the need for the country to come together cast aside partisanship but it didn't it didn't last and it seems to nevertheless with this as president and he did come out and forcefully condemn racism say that things need to change call for urgent change call for a bipartisan push to to do you something to prevent this kind of violence. It's always the follow through with donald trump that creates problems because he does deliver speech that you know at face value l. u. On paper when you listen to it is exactly what you would expect a president to say the question is whether his actions back it up and in this instance says he's about to board the plane to go to ohio how he <hes> seemed to focus on one of the shootings more than the other take a listen if you look at dayton. That was the person that supported i guess you would say a <hes> bernie sanders. I understood antifa. I understood elizabeth warren i understood had nothing to do with president trump off and a big difference between shooting ohio and then one in texas and they get lumped together because of the timeline is that <hes> in texas the stated motivations of the shooter were very a political he wrote a long screed <hes> that that referenced a lot of things that president trump has done and said and and <hes> vowed white supremacists in in the case of ohio in dayton it appears that this is someone had had left leaning political views that did not seem to be a factor in in what would let him to pull trigger and the big picture here i think ink is that you so quickly. See the political fingerpointing of course the fallout of these horrific events are often viewed through a political lens but here you have you know and and it is on both sides i mean you did see democrats very quick to point a finger at the president at his rhetoric given the fact that the shooter in texas who went in with the clear clear intent of killing essentially many mexicans as possible <hes> but using some language that seemed very similar to the president's <hes> taking some inspiration from some of the president's rhetoric and then on the flip side. You have the president quick to point the finger at the left for for perhaps some of the motivation behind the shooting in ohio okay oh and it just gets very ugly very quickly especially when you consider that these are leaders who are supposed to be healing a nation and to take the conversation to what the healing me look like in terms of policy in terms of bipartisanship. The president is saying that he intends to support new gun legislation. Take a listen. There's a great happen and i mean a very strong appetite for background checks and i think we could bring up background. Check like we've had before. I think both republicans and democrats regret are getting close to bill on doing something back there. I'm mary the have we heard anything like this. In the past of the seems vaguely uh remnant of other things that might have been said this is exactly <hes> in almost word for word what we have heard from the president after previous shootings well. Let's just take a listen the what he said after the parkland shooting last year what we're gonna do a lot but we are going to be very strong on background checks. I've spoken with many of our people in congress. Our senators senators our congressmen and women and there's a movement onto get something done. We want to be very powerful on background checks <hes> when we're dealing with the mentally ill as we were in this last case. He was a very sick person and somebody that should have been nabbed. I guess they had thirty nine different occasions. Were able to see him or potentially see him. We want to be very powerful very strong on background checks and especially as it pertains to the mentally ill so of course that was the president a year and a half ago. <hes> nothing came of that call today. He is reiterating it again and remember. This is what the overwhelming majority of americans americans are looking for. We know there is huge support for increasing background checks <hes> this is many what americans are asking for what they want to be hearing. The question is the follow through and let's talk about the follow through because the politics of gun control have been stubbornly calcified for decades now and the the response after just about everyone of these mass shootings and you have this moment of mourning in introspection is has been one of wow. Why does this not happen anywhere else and shouldn't there be something something that's done and then and then people move on what's the the realistic portrait now mary their their number of pieces of legislation that are floating around there were a couple of passed passed the house that would specifically deal with different elements of background checks but what's what realistically talking about well there are these bills that are in the house they pass through the house with a narrow amount of bipartisan support the would require universal background checks those measures that we know so many americans are looking for but they've been sitting mitch mcconnell's desk since february and they have not been been brought up for a vote democrats now of course are demanding <hes> that mitch mcconnell bring lawmakers back from recess here to washington to have a vote on this legislation and we have seen and you know a slowly growing number of republicans coming out in the last few days and voicing support for some kind of strengthened background checks now the president saying that they're close to getting this done that might be a bit of a stretch but but there is you know we are hearing calls from capitol hill to do something there recent bipartisan support for doing something. The question is what are you going to do and there are a lot of proposals and which one gets action and notably congressman mike turner from from dayton is among those whose now saying that <hes> that <hes> though he's a conservative second amendment <hes> backing republican. He does think that there needs to be ruined for new legislation. I think there's a sense that if the president said and this is what i am going to support that could change votes. Well and that's part of the problem here is that capitol hill again is looking to the white house for some direction and so there are a range of options on the hill but the president needs to put some political muscle behind one of these and i think if the president came out strongly sort of put the pressure on republicans republicans on capitol hill gave them some cover to say look this is okay. We're going to do this now. That would mean a lot but until he does that. I have a really hard time seeing mitch mcconnell suddenly changing course and pushing firmly for stricter background. Check these two house back bills one of them universal background checks the other <hes> strengthening the f._b._i.'s ability to conduct the background checks so-called charleston loophole that would extend the f._b._i.'s timeline to to to take someone <hes> <music> someone's background information and process it separate than that though we've heard a lot of talk about so-called red flag laws which are done at the state level not at the federal level but there's talk about a a a bill that the senate rubio senator graham have have backed that would essentially make it easier to flag individuals that might have mental mental problems tmz. I'm curious on this. If this is where republicans wind up landing as opposed to more stringent gun control this is one of those measures that that right now seems may stand the the best chance of actually getting through congress right now <hes> we've seen the number two republican in the senate john thune come out and say that he thinks there is an ability to get some common ground round on this issue. It does also seem that the president is open to this given his recent statements. We know that lindsey graham of course one of the president's top allies has put four some legislation on this and as you mentioned what these laws would do is essentially make it easier to take guns away or keep them out of the hands of people who seem seem to pose an imminent danger it would allow family members or police officer officers to go to the courts and get essentially a temporary order to take away firearms from people who seem to pose the threat. <hes> democrats are on board with this. They think it's a great idea they think of course that it falls far far short and that more needs to be done but in the current political climate <hes> it seems teams that that <hes> stands a better chance right now today a of seeing more momentum then then background checks yeah i'll be curious to see if the democrats sort of left the republicans off the hook on that and and and back that if that's the only thing that can actually pass. Let's talk twenty twenty mary because it's only a week ago that the democrats of wrapped up their second series of debates. It's <hes> we were both there in detroit. When the main thing being policy item that the democrats argued over was healthcare and how to achieve universal healthcare healthcare do you do with obamacare or medicare for all and whether barack obama's presidency <hes> was essentially liberal enough that is ancient history is like a lifetime go right the campaign totally reset over the weekend among other things democrats remembering that they agree on a whole lot more than they disagree including being the urgency of defeating president trump and i think we've seen a resurgence of one candidate particular. El paso's own beto o'rourke who has taken himself off the campaign trail trail. He's not even going to the iowa state fair. He's been tangling with the president. I in part because he's going there. He's going there directly. Take a listen. You know he's been saying he's he's. He's been calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals <hes> i. I don't know like members of the press. What the hold on a second i. It's these questions you know the answers to connect the dots about what he's been doing in this country <hes> he's not tolerating. Racism is promoting racism. He's is not tolerating violence. He's inciting. Racism and violence in this country in the question was pretty innocuous. One just basically what what else did the president you could do but clearly his <hes> his passions passions are real on this and he's come out and said the president is an open and avowed racist. He's a white supremacist in his rhetoric leads to violence as direct as i can recall call any anytime a candidate for president laying tragedy at the president's feet directly and you can hear that for beto rourke. This is raw. All this is personal. You can hear the anger and frustration in his voice. I mean this is his hometown but what's interesting is the response has been very quick not not just and and this is from the candidates across the board now just you immediately go to that kind of familiar conversation about gun control measures and mental health and what can be done legislatively but personal personal attacks on the president and his leadership all of the twenty twenty candidates using this as an opportunity to essentially cast president trump as unfit to lead this nation. That's that's right. I think almost that directly in the move very quickly from gun control to this to this broader conversation. I also think it's an opportunity an a an opportunity for voice to be heard for <hes> for the former hud secretary leon costra. Who's the only latino in this race he's also from the state of texas. This area formed formed former mayor of of san antonio <hes> and his point that there's something different about the attack and el paso and the way it links up to the president's rhetoric eric for a president now to base his entire political strategy on turning the latino community and especially recent immigrants into the other into the danger toward america <hes>. It doesn't belong in this country. He doesn't belong as president and you know. That's one of the reasons i know that but i'm running to replace him and i bet that a lot of other people who are in this race feel the same way mary bruce. I'm curious how the latino community broadly reacts to this because you have in this case someone who said he was he wanted to go someplace that he could shoot a lot of mexicans directly targeting people because of their ethnic background a no choosing a location in el paso so hundreds of miles from where he lived in the dallas area because he thought there'd be a lot of mexicans. They are literally you can see mexico from the parking lot of this walmart and you can only imagine jin the level of real fear that so many of these communities are feeling today real fear and concern that the president essentially doesn't doesn't have their backs in this fight and i think it's important to remember that it was not too long ago that we were talking about the president you know making comments about four congresswoman of color saying that they i should go back to the countries that they came from even though three of the four of them were born here in the u._s. and of course that clip that we now have seen and heard <hes> over the past several days the president rally where where someone suggested that immigrants should be shot and the president didn't tell them to cut it out or step in and intervene and so this is why the president is in such a difficult a position and why i think so many americans are wondering. Is this going to change. How much impact does the president's rhetoric really have. How much can you hold him responsible <hes> and going forward is he going to dial it back when it seems that so far it is part of his political strategy to try and some ways to to exploit divisions in this country for political gain and i want to turn the conversation to the former vice president joe biden because it seems like it's a major moment for him as well he of course is is white male. He's not he's not a caller a._t. Can't relate in the same way but he lost his campaign. His campaign video was about charlottesville about the very fine people on both sides line from the president <hes> and he has made clear this campaign is about trying to restore the moral fabric of america and this is what he has had to say. This is hatred pure. It's simple and it's being fueled by rhetoric that is so divisive and it's causing causing people to die and once again laying it at the president's didn't speak directly today. I mean he took it up. A notch even further he laid attacks against president that i think are further than he's gone before i mean when he said today in a speech in iowa that the president has no moral leadership that he that trump has no interest in unifying the nation ticket step back that is pretty harsh. <hes> language against the president and biden is seizing the moment to once again cast himself in many ways <hes> as the great unifier as the adult in the room as the proven leader peter who can come back in and be that consoler in chief that he says trump cannot we should also this this the events over the weekend prompted barack barack obama to break his relative political silence a long statement that he put out did not mention president trump by name but man it didn't have to it was clear what he was talking talking about and calling on americans that repudiate the words that are that are fueling the heat and fueling the violence and a lot of people continue to ask what what obama's next act will be. How involved would be in this. I've talked to obama aides say that he does not want to get into a firing match with president trump that trump. That's exactly what he wants yet. He felt in this moment moment. He couldn't stay away and i think you have to remember how deeply personal in many ways all of these events are barack obama. This antioch shooting was the worst day of his presidency. <hes> we saw over and over again obama put in a position of having to go to these communities much the same donald trump is today to try and console yet got another grieving community and for him. I think it is incredibly rare for him to speak out. He clearly felt compelled that this was an incident where are two incidents where he couldn't simply stay on the sidelines but he doesn't want to get into a political tit for tat with donald trump and yet that's exactly what happened. Donald trump quickly tweeted out <hes> sort sort of slamming obama for for taking him on on this issue and noting that you know bush never slammed obama for his handling of so many of these shootings and and i don't think you're going to hear much more from obama but he does choose his moments carefully and he did not mention trump by name but man the message was loud and clear and some echoes of obama. We should should mention in cory booker who <hes> of course an african american senator from new jersey he chose the site of horrible massacre and also one of the best remembered moments of the obama presidency the charleston ame church. That was the site of that awful shooting. We've remember president obama when he addressed the nation from that. I think it goes is one of the top three or four moments of the obama presidency the the ones that are clipped for history of this was cory booker what he had to say this sir today this wednesday morning it was sold by those who spoke of an infestation of disgusting cities rats and rodents talking about majority majority minority communities it was sold by those who've drawn between neo nazis and those who protests that it was sold from the highest office in our land we see in tweets and rhetoric hateful words that ultimately endanger the lives of people in our country people of color immigrants all you can hear it in cory booker's voice the way that he felt this and the way that so many people in that church and across the country have felt this moment and mary the political question for me is how how long this moment lasts how relevant and resonant it is because like so many things in this new cycle we move on people move on this president is great at capturing a new cycle and moving us in different directions but if if the if the populace of this country seems to feel the way it does for a moment like this come election day next year. That's a much different calculus for president. Is it in trump than if we've moved on to other things yeah and so often in the past we've seen a lot of it depends on how the public keeps up this conversation right after parkland we saw so many members of that community so many students just intent on not letting this conversation die. It depends on what happens on the hill. I mean they are out in recess until after labor day. <hes> are democrats able to keep up the political pressure on republicans to act on this and in terms of what happens out on the campaign trail. I think one of the interesting things about this issue is it's not necessarily barely an issue that a lot of people vote on <hes> it is important to a lot of voters but when you ask voters you know what's the number one issue for you at the top of your mind. When you go into the into the ballot box you often your healthcare are you don't hear gun control. You don't hear <hes> you know voting for someone because of their plan to tackle rising gun violence is that changing and what impact will that have. I think that depends on on this voter driven conversation in many ways. We're going to get quick break when we come back. We're going to check in with one of our campaign reporters on the trail. She has been in el paso passo all week. One of the reporters who was on the scene and been following all the developments stay tuned when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste you need would help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com post a job. In minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive would've online dashboard and when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try it for free at indeed dot com slash powerhouse. That's indeed dot com home. 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What has it been like. I mean thinking about this. You're you're obviously you're covering politics but this is a this is much bigger than that of the sights and sounds that you've seen over the couple of days. How people been processing the news in el paso. I think the the main thing that i keep hearing hearing from people is one. They're shocked that this massacre would happen here but to that. They almost don't know how to feel. They don't know how the process their emotions. They don't know if they should be upset. Sad angry or just numb <hes> and it's a lot of people just trying to figure how you know what am i feeling and what should i do these emotions right now. You know we see the conversation happening back here in washington the bigger political conversation especially surrounding rounding the president's <hes> rhetoric. Is that a conversation. That's happening on the ground as well or is that something that that's really only happening at the fifty thousand feet seat view. It is absolutely happening here. I mean as soon as we heard the news that president trump would be visiting paso <hes> me and my collie around talking to el paso and <hes> throughout the this town asking you know how are you feeling and what does how do you feel about president from coming. A lot of people were bewildered. They don't understand why he would come here because they feel like his rhetoric. In some part caused what happened l. paso and the bigger picture here is that people are definitely talking about gun legislation. We've talked to people <hes> veterans earned an especially who say you know. I am for gun rights. I have a concealed carry permit <hes> but i don't think people should have thought weapons and let's say <hes> how in terms of the politics of this we've seen one of the candidates you cover bets o'rourke who's from el paso amazingly passionate really fired up sometimes sometimes explicitly so <hes> you got a beep bleep. Some of his words like we did earlier in the show talking about this. He has truly truly reset his campaign around this around el paso around the president's rhetoric and this is a we we know beto is a kind of cautious politician at times <hes> <hes> and i think that was on display as recently as debates last week. He has thrown caution to the wind. It seems to me in these last couple of days. What what's the campaign telling you about how he is feeling about this and and how he views this moment he views this as a time where he has to be home <hes> he told us just you know an hour or two ago that he actually won't be going to the iowa state fair that he was scheduled to speak at <hes> friday morning so he told us that he it has not thought about when he will return to the campaign trail <hes> because it to him it is important to be with his old pass owens and how's what was the reaction been to to his. I think new tone out on the campaign trail has it been well received by his supporters down there. Do they think he's going going too far. I mean he's been pretty political in his attacks against the president. He has been very political but the people here i i mean they. They love at all they do and they appreciate that he is calling out president trump for what they think was the language and the actions that that causes someone to come in shoe people because they were mexican. People here are very supportive of him. Just an hour ago when we were at his event people held a prayer trey your circle with him and prayed for him to win this election to represent paso and the light that they think it should be represented and and and finally wanna talk paso because it is. There's a power powerful symbolism in the city. The president chose it in a single city out and chose it for a rally to to try to make his political points. We remember the vets. Roy did a counter rally but it truly is a city of immigrants people pass awesome is referring to it as a modern day ellis island i in in in in this in this case <hes> when with the initial outrage and shock and horror around all of it the idea that mexicans and mexican americans were targeted simply because they are that's gotta be of special and specific residents to people on the ground. Yeah i'm sorry to get personal but mexican-american myself and there are so many people here who are bilingual only speak spanish or have these he's immigrant backgrounds and they themselves feel targeted and they have told us that they don't know that they feel safe to be outside but it's really striking to see how the people here have come together to to tell everyone here. We are here for one another and we are truly al paso strong all right. Let's set rodriguez. Thank you into our entire team. That's out there covering this story. I know it's been a gut wrenching couple of days and you're doing terrific work other. You're on the ground so best to you into the team. Thank you thank you and mary i you know this isn't the first time of the trump presidency of any presidency where we've uttered the words that this it's time feels different and i it's. It's shocks me personally how quickly i forget that feeling as a reporter as a political reporter are moving onto the next story because the news cycle moves moves just with this intense in in in saint speed president trump is seems like the only one often that can keep up with it and keeps the direct it is a real test of leadership in the country to see how long the moment lasts than what the moment means yeah and i think what's different about this. One in some some ways is the response is the fact that you see so many political leaders and that's partly because we are in the middle of a presidential campaign seizing this moment and saying we're not gonna let this just blow by. We're not gonna just say oh. Congress is going to do anything and move onto the next subject the next headline <hes> the question of course is how long are they going to keep that up but for so many people this is this is tough stuff and it is deeply emotional it is deeply personal and it keeps happening over and over and over oregon and we don't see any movement at all you see a lot of talk very little no political action and what is different about this time is that the level of frustration seems to get ratcheted up every time we see another one of these incidents and you just hope that that means that eventually <hes> we won't be having this conversation again. Dan and it's and it's a reminder of the another thing that makes it different is that you have a president who speaks in a different way and in an often outrageous and outlandish windisch way about immigrants about others that views political battles as as all consuming and all important and cast it in that way and look we've had had trump supporters point this out the president himself pointing out that george w bush never blame barack obama for the charleston shooting. Well you know barack. Obama didn't incite violence in any way like this didn't say things that could be construed in that way and i look i i think it is a fair point to say the president pulling triggers <hes> of course that's true and to is to directly that because someone said something someone else did something else that is that is not a a fair through line to draw but if if if you listen to what the president says it is it is a fair a fair conclusion to draw <hes> that that that there are the people that could hear that and decide to act on it in unstable in awful ways and i we we're beyond the point of thinking of the president's gonna change the way he speaks except he's not going to suddenly say you know what i was right. You're you're right. I was wrong. I shouldn't have said those things clearly. That's that's done but his reaction still is critical. Oh he's still the president and the way he conducts himself in these hours in these days. I think we'll be defining for him. Yeah and you all right. He is not going to change <hes> and it is a difficult process to go through to see all of the political fingerpointing because for communities that are grieving communities that are in fear. <hes> political fingerpointing isn't much solace. You just hope that the political fingerpointing reaches such a level that it does lead to action that it does lead to something that can bring some comfort to this country country. We'll just have to wait and see yeah in the in the context of the twenty twenty campaign. The race looks a lot different today than it did a week ago in the wake of the second series of debates thank you to mary bruce. Thank you to our entire team. Trevor hastings angie yack avery miller to lucette for dialing in and for the her colleague jeff cook for helping out on the ground as well that does it for this edition of powerhouse politics. We'll be back next week with another addition. Stay tuned. Are you hiring hiring with indeed. 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How Carson Crimeni died while his friends watched

The Big Story

21:00 min | 1 year ago

How Carson Crimeni died while his friends watched

"There are a lot of little tragedies surrounding the death of fourteen year old carson. It's one of those horrors that leave so many people wondering what if what if just one little thing was different. Would he still be alive but the real tragedy has no what about it at all and that's the reason. His story has shocked country. Let's turn to british. Columbia has a community in that province is in shock after the apparent overdose death of a fourteen thirteen year old boy mascot is right now seeking the public's help after shocking video and pictures of his final moments were posted online. This image shows a young man. Dan pointing tune ambulance with the caption. Carson almost died laugh out loud. It was reportedly taken as a teen was being rushed to hospital where he was pronounced. Announced debt you dia great further is and philp. Nobody called for help. We know that at least just a dozen people and probably hundreds of people watched carson while he was dying and did nothing. It's one thing to ask yourself after a crime. How could someone do that to another person. It's another level of awful to wonder how could so many people watch that happen to a kid without doing what happens to a community where one child is dead and everyone knows the ten other kids watched it happen but nobody's certain who those kids are. How the hell do you navigate that. While you're waiting to see what the police do next <music> i'm jordan. He's rawlings and this is the big story. Nancy mcdonald is a reporter for the globe and mail who spent time in the community where carson lived nancy hi ed. I'm going to get you to walk me through how carson died and what happened here but i just tell me who was he. What kind of a kid hit was carson. Carson had just finished greedy gene. He just turned fourteen month before he died. He was boy who loves to cook. He loved animals loved making people laugh. He <hes> he's never lot of friends and <hes> fallon alan translated have said he he wanted to make friends and fit in vulnerable chip here a._d._h._d. Attention deficit is it naipaul activity disorder in that could make him a target. The certain things carson couldn't control in class trouble sitting still. He talked too much he was he moved around. He made noise when other kids were quiet and i think kids age had trouble understanding why he was acting that way and so he got teased lot me bellied what happened to him on august seven august seventh was <hes> it was a summer day. It was a nice warm sunny day. At some point that day he met with a group of about ten or eleven. An older kids started hanging out with them at some point that afternoon. It looks like late afternoon or early evening from the videos. It's alleged. He was given a substantial amount of m._d. Ama riches a party drug known in my time is ecstasy today known as molly only the group at that point was at the skate park in walnut grove which is a small community vote forty five minutes to now outside vancouver and this is where curson lived to high school <hes> pretty soon videos and photos of him started showing up on social media snatch up in scrums specially and these videos appear to make fun of carson and so the group hoops starts tonight at the skate park in at some point. It looks like they move next door to the high school in the grounds behind high school. Who were these kids he was with. Did he know them. Do we know who they are now. We're still working to confirm that. Two witnesses say there was about ten or eleven of them. The younger ones look to be in the age range of fifteen sixteen seventeen. There were at least two older kids who were not miners who were probably eighteen or nineteen. The one who might have been sold is twenty. It's not clear how well carson new them. I'll have to leave at that. Dude anybody else know where he was or who he was hanging out with the last time i contact person had with his dad was four twenty two <unk> afternoon. He told his dad he was off. The movie with france his daddy earned accent was a fan that cursing totally because he knew hanging out with kids at the skate park so erin who's curson harrison st i knew he was out there <hes> and starting at about six thirty when carson was supposed to be trying to get a hold of him and he couldn't he couldn't he call the curson cellphone eleven time tonight just rang through so there was still battery was just reading through carson naveh the voice message system setup in starting on a boat to eat for five or nine he started to panic and started driving looking form a bit later on he called curses grandpa and who lives closer to the school and his grandma was on foot looking for them and at the time that this is happening. That's when these videos are showing up on social media. What's it like to watch those videos. What do you see because you described them in your piece jason. They sound awful. Yes so what do you see when you watch the video so in them. Cursing made fun of <hes>. One of the videos is called twelve-year-old tweaking on molly in that one carson is this is one of the it looks like it's one of the earliest videos shocked from the night in that one. He's he's <hes> he's sweating sweating through this gray hoodie he's ordering. He's kind of moving around and there's a group of older kids surrounding him similar laughing at him <hes>. There's another one where he's asked his name and he can't dan. Give the answer and you know. He says his name's peter something like that. The kids start laughing at that point. He's he's red-faced. He's he's really hot looking his. You know his his hairs all wet from sweat. He looks really scared. Not one and you know what really stands six hundred baby to me. The other question is what's it like to watch them. It's <hes> it's like watching a snuff video. Do you know he's going to die. You know these last hours on earth there haunting. I can't get them over my mind. <hes> i wanted to describe that story. What was carson. Why i forced myself to watch is family. I haven't seen him. They can't bring themselves to watch the hand. I i hope that reduce what happened. When those videos went up on social media i mean gene. Surely people saw them realized there. Was something really badly wrong. That's the thing nothing happened. Reten kids who saw who are with him who saw what was going on and and didn't call police intro intervene countless countless people who saw those videos online now <hes> we ran a story today. The good news is one person person did do something out about eight o'clock that night. <hes> this person had seen the videos from police to tell them that to this kid was endanger that he takes a large of them d._n._a. And he needed help. It's amazing that so many people could could be there and so many people could have watched it and one person makes a phone call yeah how was he eventually found by who he was found just before ten o'clock that night by a lone person of matric patterson we spoke to mitchell we spoke to his mum and both he and his men were okay with his name being used in the mitchell story being told media so mitchell's mitchell's fifteen. He's also a student walnut grove secondary school and he lives near the community center. He was on his way on the attack on curfew and the first thing he saw was compare shoes and then he saw carson at that point he said carson was on his back and he sort of leaned up against a fence that surrounds the soccer field and at that point he you said carson was shaking really really violently and he was. He was really cold so he's still alive. She's is breathing at that point but his breath was coming in ragged in strange patterns <hes> it for twenty seconds mitchell said he'd stopped breathing and mitchell was with a friend and he in the franco police and just as police arrived so to carson's grandma darrell darrell actually followed the police flashing lights as you remember darryl said looking person on sunday and when the police arrived so thera followed him in and he walked mind the police car and he could see a police trying to put on outsized oxygen in house gone onto his grandparent's mouth and he panicked called a son and told him he found him eating. He was still breathing but he kept saying it's bad. It looks really bad. It's bad did he make it to the hospital. Doctors have told carson stan grant but that he probably it didn't they think probably he died on field when carson's data <unk> hospital you ran into the e._r. They were trying to revive carson kept begging them to try. Keep going keep going but they said again. At that point tim he had no pulse he wasn't breathing and they probably did you came into this community after it had happened and tried to sort of piece together what was going on there immediately vietnam after carson past the next morning what happened in that community. There are <hes> all kinds of rumors flying around. There's a lot of anger in their sleep a sense of how could this have happened here. I grew up in manitoba outside the city and high schools and community nations that did not look like this is beautiful brand is school beautiful community center groundskeeper manicured grounds announce surrounded by this beautiful forest with tall red cedars ravine. It looks idyllic and i think that's probably why parents out there. They moved there because the schools have great reputations. There's lots for the kids to <hes> yes. There's this overwhelming sense of how could this attack and how to it's not cold. Parents parents are police healthy. No one of intervening here so it's a community very much searching for answers rate and does the community have any idea and i mean some of them obviously must of who the teens were there. Were around him <hes> that were there when he was overdosing because if i was a a relatively small community like that you know you think that that would get out pretty quickly. Yeah there are names that are being circulated circulated and there is concern from police that this could lead to retaliation and and violence and in carson's since family of spoke out <unk> spoken often. They're asking people to stay calm asking people to leave this in the hands of police. Not you know not to try to do anything. Facing police are saying the same thing you know. They're saying that interested do anything. This is just going to lead to more young people getting into trouble. What are the police doing <hes> specifically and what kind of charges could result. There's big investigation going on right now. They've said they've got ten. Officers involved old in the investigation. They said apy dedicated tip line of their staffing around the clock last time i spoke with them. They said they'd received two hundred fifteen tips. They've taken something like fifty to sixty witness statements at this point so they've taken this very seriously in terms of the fire wet charges people involved be facing obviously not a lawyer but there is a criminal lawyer here in vancouver who has seen some of the videos as well and what she has said is range of charges. One of them could be something like criminal negligence because there's sir. We've got a duty in canada. Men's among is at risk to to intervene and this is a young kid who's in distress and needed someone to intervene for the person or persons who supplied the drugs she says could be trafficking offenses and potentially they're more serious charges but as a family of said proven mrs going to be very very difficult when you talk to parents around the community. What kind of factors do they blame aim for this happening because there's been a lot of discussion <hes> after this tragedy about drug use among teens but also among about social media in particular taylor and whether or not this was a catalyst right yeah so a lot of parents and even carson carson's findlay say the same thing to to you know his italian said she worries that in this world of social media the <hes> young people who are viewing so much their screens are losing in touch with a are becoming disconnected from reality to them. Maybe what their seat looks like. <hes> looks like video where she said to me was that this was real. This was really really happening and no one thought to turn the computer often call nine one one and then there's another school of thought that this is <hes> this is just a twist on unusual story bullies targeting the young kid so i think probably both both things are playing this story. How how do people in the community. Who are you know my ager or your age or older who grew up in a world like until i was almost thirty nobody really we had a smartphone. How do you understand how something like. This can happen when you you weren't a teenager in that world. That's a question but it's when we're gonna have to understand because we're raising kids now rolled unite jordan the last generation to grow up with her feet in both worlds. What life was like before. Everyone had a smartphone. We knew we find ways. Meditate ourselves was nokia <unk> snapchat but we also know what this looks looks like so i think his parents were gonna have to really figure out what our kids are facing when they grow up in a world where you know starting from voltage ten everyone has a phone and other other social lives are centered around phone and their interactions are happening on that foil. What is the skate park. Where carson was filmed. What's that like now. It's become a memorial. It's the last time i was there. Which is now three three days ago. <hes> there were no no one was using the skate park as escape park. It's surrounded flowers. Their messages to carson spree painted on the jumps. Parents are bringing their kids. Their parents are bringing flowers <unk> reading really young kids telling the kids exactly what happened happened and what could have been done and how important it is to stick up for your friends in to call parent or police when you see something. That's really worrying. I mean there is a pretty heavy police presence at the skate park community center and as a result a lot of teens who normally hang there have scattered scattered so i ended up running into some young people in the trails in the forest around the community center in talking to them. They're what's the feeling doing among the young people. I think there's a sense of the building that something like this was going to happen that this is going to be a wake up call. Oh it was building. That's that i guess that drug use was happening and the people using drugs that they don't quite understand potency strength these things when i was growing up you know people were drinking. People people were drinking too much and sometimes we're ospel and people were smoking pot but the real pilates. I don't really remember people taking party. Drugs drugs <hes> and there's a sense that this is happening. It's happening younger and younger authorities. Parents don't really understand that it's happening and and <hes> you know mitchell. The young person i mentioned earlier who found carson said the us counting sixteen people he knew who died from drug overdose this list six people died of drug overdose yeah. How has the community adapted in the wake of this and and i know you just you had to walk in while they were still trying to figure out how and why and you know there's kind of a couple of ways that the community can go after this is that they can come together or they can can dissolve into to rumors and blame. I wonder if it's still too early. I mean when last how sarah was still rumors fingerpointing and also shocked and in a sense of <hes> was search for answers in the sense of what can we do. How can we've got support kids. One thing i heard from one person and amazon's really smart is that we go ways to teaching kids about racial differences. Those things really have to start teaching kids. The neurological differences in what it's like to have a different brain and casinos surfing's carson couldn't control about itself and it made him vulnerable maiden target <unk>. Maybe kids understood why why was driving around class asu why he was talking when teachers and told him to maybe they were building the federation supersonic understood why behaving out what happens ends next here i guess everybody is waiting for the results of the investigation yeah so the next thing that happens his carson's in burien next week it's a aaron. His father opened the funeral to the public's who anyone who wants to go to go. He says it's happening at a church in langley on august twenty nine th at one p._m. Probably before the end of the month his family will get the results of the toxicology exam that will give them a sense of exactly what was in the system and how much the investigation is ongoing. Canvassing people are very much interested in the results of that housing teams division sure. Thanks very much for talking to us today. Nancy nancy mcdonald is with the global mail in vancouver. That was the big story. 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Coronavirus: Contagion and Chaos [Episode 62]

Altamar - Navigating the High Seas of Global Politics

30:36 min | 1 year ago

Coronavirus: Contagion and Chaos [Episode 62]

"Welcome to the Martin Looney. I'm Peter Scheckter. Thank you for joining us as we try to. Navigate the corona virus crisis. What's its impact on human lives on markets on politics in our hugely interconnected world so vulnerable to pandemics. We're going to dive into the geopolitical implications. And what can be done to prevent such a pandemic in the future and to help with this scary all encompassing issue. We're lucky to be joined by Narita Eisenman from NPR. Who's one of the most authoritative reliable and well informed journalists on the issue of international health since the coronavirus entered our global vocabulary? Some weeks ago. The expansion of the infections is staggering. It's almost like a live ticker and the global reach of the virus minds is exactly of how connected the world is today. Tens of thousands or sick hundreds have died. Dozens of countries have infected patients from Malaysia to Germany the US in Italy to Sri Lanka times and many other news outlets publish interactive maps that update every hour. So there's news coming from everywhere. An entire cruise ship filled with individuals who have tested positive for. The diseases has been quarantined Japan. There's hundreds of infected passengers and sewer dozens of travelers and millions of passengers as well in airplanes from China. You're in one of the most interesting parts of this story. Mooney is that we've seen Chinese. Social media exploded about the doctor who sounded the whistle about this deadly virus because he's dead himself and mistrust is growing in the streets of China's main cities and I don't remember at least hearing my friends were Chinese experts. Talk about the virulent and anger on social media against Chinese officials. It's shocked everyone. Because these usually stone-faced Chinese leaders aren't used to this type of criticism. Scientists are rushing to find a vaccine and specialized hospitals to has a sick or built only in like two or three days. Oh and good luck finding a face mask to protect yourself right now. Those are very very short supply. It's amazing Peter. The cases stretch the capacity of not only the Chinese government but very powerful and widespread organizations such as the World Health Organization who only recently acceded to call the corona virus a global health emergency that it has questions about whether China delayed letting the man or was the. Who late to react in any case. What's obvious with this crisis is that our world has really unprepared for surprises of this nature. And really there is no amount of tech and connectivity. That can control it their solutions quarantines travel restrictions. Curfews have been around for centuries. There's really nothing new I just wonder. Can't we find better solutions how to avoid and prevent something like this from happening? You any Bulla has not been eradicated years later. And SARS which is essentially corona virus parent also originating in China infected over eighty five hundred people and killed over seven hundred before it was contained. The biggest question now is how many victims will coronavirus claim. It surpassed SARS already Mooney. Let's talk about beyond the medical victims and and the people who are sick let's talk about the economic and political impact. That's being felt all over the place. But first and foremost in China China spend twenty nine teen continuing to flex and show its political muscle by expanding the belt and road initiative or banning the broadcast of NBA gains. I mean China was really feeling strong but in the past two weeks. China's Central Bank has been pumping over two hundred forty two billion dollars into the financial system to prop up weakening growth in amidst all this growing anger President Xi Jinping virtually disappeared disappeared for days on end as Chinese authorities resort to increasingly controversial accidents to impose curfews on information and movement across the country. China remains almost completely isolated as airlines across the world cancelled chips and businesses scrambled to rewire complicated supply chains and even outside of China. The world is Feeling all the effects across Asia weary travelers are canceling trips. Companies are taking really strong precautions. Tourist revenue is dropping from Indonesia to Thailand Hyundai and other companies have suspended production in South Korea. Companies like Amazon Sony. Lg recently announced the cancellation of their participation. In a very prominent `electronic convention in Barcelona employees in Spain or wearing face masks when they're in Chinese companies. How long will this last? Who knows so? There's all kinds of forecast. Peter experts from s and P global predicted. That it will run its course by April and end by May and even though as of right now. Financial Markets Look Stables. The virus is spreading and so as mistrust and many expect the measures taken by the Chinese government will be insufficient. All this fading Competence Could Cause Gouldman to stall and perhaps the most concerning consequences is that we have come from a pretty good run of world growth. Investors have become optimists as this starts to change the as the disease continues to spread. Are we all going to become global pessimists? You know one thing that nobody seems to be really able to address or want. Maybe people don't want to address is why do these outbreaks keep happening in China? What is it about China? Now I mean no doubt. Part of the blame goes to China's government which is always operating secrecy in silos information. I mean everybody knows. That's not the best way to combat a pandemic indeed the back and forth about the poor doctor who was first arrested for breaking the news and then he passed away and then you know it. It confirms all of this lack of transparency of the state. And how the restrictive flow of information is bad for controlling sicknesses but beyond the government Mooney beyond that is it the sheer size of the population. That makes it more likely I. I don't think so because these epidemics don't seem to be happening in India. Is it the lack of prevention is a slow reaction time? A lot of people are talking about this issue about the interaction of live animal markets within food markets and generally the causal relationship between animals and foods. I don't think anybody seems to know but it's certainly something that at least I would love to hear why why is. China seemed to be more often than not the epicenter of these epidemics. We do know for sure is that a vaccine is maybe a year or two away and until now until then there is very little that any government can do to contain this crisis beyond those primitive measures that are already being taken. In the meantime the scope of a long-term repercussion for China and the world are yet to be fully understood throughout the crisis. We have heard from one reporter who has provided consistent coverage and analysis of the crisis on NPR. And we're very grateful to very busy. Neural Eisenman for making time to talk to us today. She's a NPR's correspondent on global health and development a former writer at the Washington Post former editor of the new republic and Harvard Grad North Eisenman. Welcome to Ulta Mar. Hells glad to be here. You've been covering corner virus almost daily since the outbreak began. Can we start with basics? What is your assessment of the scope of the threat? And is it being overblown or under reported? What worries you the most really right now? This is an emergency in China The pretty much all of the cases are in China. It's true that there are several hundred outside of China but that's a tiny number compared to the tens of thousands in China And and we're still trying to get a sense of actually How fast it's spreading. Is it accelerating? We can talk about the reasons why. That's hard to know in a moment. In terms of things that are worrisome. Still enough unknowns. About exactly how lethal is it Another concern is that if it does spread to let's say countries in Africa that have less access to sophisticated healthcare. The lethality might actually go up because A lot of the cases that are surviving are surviving due to really intensive care in hospitals and that that could be a problem if it starts to spread too low resource countries. You've covered evola in person and Reports are it's well as much more deadly but also harder to get this disease kind of in reference using a bowl is a reference. It's more contagious. Less deadlier do we still not know for sure. Yeah I mean with the proviso that we don't fully know yet and I think we should talk about some of the reasons why we don't know all the answers yet. I mean it does so far. The evidence that's emerged so far is dumb. It is less busy. Bola you know it's seems to be easier to catch than Ebola in the sense. That with your Bala you know you have to touch the fluids of someone who is in later. Stage of the illness they have more viral load and In this case it's a little bit more akin to the way the flu might spread. You know someone sneezes on a surface and you touch those droplets and then you know you touch some mucous membrane of your own. In terms of how lethal it is a positive thing to say. Is that about eighty percent plus of cases this is based on seventeen thousand cases that the W. H. O. The World Health Organization was able to analyze the symptoms seem to be mild and In terms of the death rate it's about two percent of the confirmed cases have resulted in death and the death rate may end up being substantially lower once. They're able to test for people who might have contracted this virus and shown no symptoms at all you know so it might be substantially less lethal but again you know there's a lot that we don't know and maybe talk about about why Let's let's talk about why. Why don't we know how? How the mortality of this disease and what else. Don't we know that we should know and probably will know but too late. Yeah I mean one of the challenges is that while China has been reporting daily the cases of that are confirmed according to the World Delve Organization. To which this information is imparted. They're often not including underlying information about the cases. That is really key such as you know when to that person develop symptoms you know. How did they seem to get exposed? are they healthcare worker and those those are the kinds of underlying facts that you need to construct the epidemological curve to see like what direction is headed. Is it accelerating? Where is it spreading? And how so? A lot of underlying data is still not fully being transmitted. But not one of the things that sort of you know I as a civilian so pick up just from the press is that the Chinese citizens themselves don't seem to believe their government has huge amount of anger and disbelief. So I guess one question I have is. Is there a problem with Chinese numbers with with an are those believable? And is that something that the world can rely on? Yeah it's it's very hard to tell I mean earlier on there. Were some modeling that we're trying to you know that we're suggesting that based on the numbers that were showing up overseas the underlying number of cases in China had to be much greater than what China was reporting and then in China. There's definitely been a lot of concern expressed to the extent that can be expressed and then there's also been a lot of censorship since then about what seems to have been early on just like a soft pedaling of how you know of how much they knew about the fact that there was human to human transmission as opposed to just a you know a small collection of people who were infected directly in a in a seafood meat market and the fact that several health workers at least eight Eight health workers in China in Han in the epicenter of the outbreak in various ways tried to spread word of what seemed to be these unusual pneumonia cases. And then were brought in by police and sanctioned Early on and then now you know there's there's been sort of a rehabilitation of them but You know by the Chinese authorities but there that has left just to sort of lingering question about how much has really been communicated and also concerned that early on Chinese authorities didn't do enough to alert people in Wuhan. They might have been even they might have been possibly more communicative to the outside world and they were to people in Iran about the risk at the very earliest stage. So that's just sold a lot of of questioning doubt about what's currently being reported and I've heard you say that somehow you've put this in a forgive me if I'm putting words in your mouth you've made juxtaposition between the flu and the Corona virus and sort of have wondered aloud whether what you know with so many people dying from the flu wire wire. Are we getting as upset about the flu as we get about the corona virus? I think that's a that's a great question I mean. What's interesting? Is The flu seasonal? Influenza kills hundreds of thousands. I mean. It's it's incredible the numbers It's not so much kind of critique as much as just trying to lay this out for people why. Why are we mobilizing so much especially in the earliest phases of this outbreak? It's it's only been going on for two months but still it's the there's already a long history you know of how it's changed and the biggest thing is that it's new. You know end end so number one when you have a wholly new virus introduced in the human population. You don't know a lot of things about it. How it transmits. How lethal it is really and you certainly don't want to wait until you know for sure before you take precautions in case it really is going to be a problem you know. Everyone's the sort of nightmare that everyone lives with is the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu pandemic which killed at least fifty million people worldwide. You know so. People are always worried about that kind of situation and then you know with the flu. If we could get rid of the flu we would right. I mean you know but it's it's endemic. It's just that that ship has sailed and we're just trying to combat the flu in a much more incremental way when there's something new that's introduced you know there's a sense of well let's try to just quash it before it it can become Endemic and there is a success story of doing that for example with the SARS. So it's not a crazy notion to try so you mentioned when there is something new that introduced and you're moody and I were wondering before it often seems that the new thing being introduced a new virus being introduced emanates from China. Why is that? Why is China the epicenter of so much of this high would hesitate to put it all in China? I can't tell you that I've done an analysis of like how many things have emanated specifically from China versus other places but that's I think I think it is interesting to explore. Some of what seems to have been at work in the case of this and other viruses. That have emanated from China. And they're a couple of factors one is and this is the case not just for China but there are a number countries. Share these these features and one is you have like a an animal population at some wild animals. Often bats That harbors a lot of viruses. The Bat doesn't really affect the bat too much. But it's kind of in the bats and there's you know I've been doing some reporting on. Scientists have been tracking how many corona viruses are bats. And it's quite a large number. You know spoiler alert. This is just one of many. And then the thing that happens is either because people consume bads or because they're brought into contact with other wild animals that people than consume or bring into these live animal markets where they also have domesticated animals. There's this sort of this mingling of species. And that sort of a way for viruses that are circulating in wild animals that humans normally wouldn't really be encountering too then have that jump into humans and certainly this corona virus has been found in bats in China so that seems to be possible mechanism although again one more thing that they don't really fully understand in this particular outbreak. How does the interaction between bats and humans work so it could be a number of things right it could be it can be that the bat has the virus in it and the human comes into contact with the bat? Let's say there are some places where it's a delicacy the bat is consumed and it goes directly from the bat to the human. Another scenario is the bat is consumed and is brought into a marketplace or or the bad is is near some other wild animal which which it gives the virus either in the marketplace from the wild and then that animal is consumed in the market and the virus enters of jumps from this intermediate host for example with SARS. It was civic cats that was the host from bats civic cats and then people eating of cats civic cats are in the market. They're getting it from from that. Intermediate host. Another thing that happens there's not necess- not necessarily the case in this particular instance but another concern is always that you can have like the bats or the intermediate host has that virus and maybe it's not a virus that can easily infect humans but that same animal is also infected with something that in the can infect humans let's say an influenza and then the genetic material gets swapped in the body of the animal in the cells and suddenly you have a new virus. It's kind of created that has all the features of this one virus that couldn't infect humans and now you have a virus but it also has the aspects that can infect humans and so again something new is introduced so essentially the bottom line of what I'm saying here is that situations where there's a lot of mixing of different kinds of species many of them alive. Pooping you know liquids flowing people in contact. That is kind of life for this kind of spread of viruses. That wouldn't otherwise be entering the human population so nerve. After this terribly disturbing description we are living in this very medically advanced world and yet these explanations both of the causes and the way this disease has been treated with the same things as they did during the Spanish flu probably curfews and quarantines and facemasks. Doesn't this seem like in this world? There should be more responses both in in preventing and intriguing or trying to avoid contagion. Yeah I mean I think you know one of the things with coronaries warranties are controversial in the way that they are applied is very important and they can be applied in ways that are completely counterproductive and make people go underground or you know or harm people unnecessarily so with that proviso there is something to be said for. You know identifying cases isolating people so that they can't spread it to others that is kind of tried and true. It's true that it dates back to you. Know I was looking at the history of quarantines date backs to the Bible hippocrates you know I think the word comes from thirteen seventy Venice denial Peter can tell us the Italian side of that. It's it's the forty days that people had to be in quarantine. There's plague in Venice. I think so part of it is at its tried and true and then of course we also are living in this time of a lot of progress. It it's interesting. How quickly in this case they were able to China's credit to identified? The virus communicates genetic sequence. Which has been very very helpful in terms of them being able to bind it in people. That's how they're testing and figuring out if people have been infected and then I think it also does point to the need for more work you know I was talking about those markets and that research about what's in bats and that's part of an effort that has been ongoing but perhaps more is warranted of trying to proactively identify. You know what viruses are out there in the animal reservoir. That could be a problem such that you know we can quickly respond to them in even have some some out of setup of like you know precursor vaccines that might work. So we don't invent the wheel and in fact. Some of that work is why they were able to identify that. This particular corona virus was in in Bats because they had done that groundwork to on the list there's been some back and forth between fingerpointing between the Chinese government and the World Health Organization. The World Health Organization came in too late that China didn't let them in what is Who's role in the crisis? Right now. I wouldn't say finger-pointing which what's really stood out to me is just how complementary The deadliest show and in particular the Director General. Tatum braces has been towards China. I mean on the one hand you can imagine that. He's got to be diplomatic right. I mean everything with the. Who is a function of its spike? You know the consent of sovereign nations. He can't force any country to do anything and he's desperately needs China's cooperation but that said So so you would necessarily expect him to be critical of China but it's really been noticeable early on you know statements from him about how much they were getting information from China. You know no intimation of a problem. let's see what else like. Also you know. They've been asked about whether he's been asked whether he didn't eat messages for people in Wuhan and even though the World Health Organization very early on seemed to sort of in a very diplomatic way indicate that they didn't think that the kind of transportation locked down That was imposed on. Wuhan was based on Rational science based evidence in most recently you know he's been totally complementary You know to to China in that regard in the sense of saying like thanks to the people who on your doing what needs to be done. I'm sorry that you're going through this. But it's what needs to be done. Very complimentary of Teaching Pang just saying that he's leading the charge and how involved he is completely who in the notion that there might be additional cases or that cases were circulating beforehand so just really kind of bending over backwards to be complementary which is interesting I love. You ended that look I. I know region not an economist. But I just wanted to. I wanted to ask you financial markets even though the is taken over the headlines Financial Markets. Really haven't dropped or at least haven't dropped yet. And but supply. Chains are affected. Air travel has been cut off tourism. Not only to and from China to other countries but certainly to a number of other Asian countries is affected. The seems to be a lot of economic costs and I guess one is. I'd asked you about that but I've also was very interested to see that standard and Poor's was saying that the crisis is going to be over by May two. Do you think that's right. I mean I really don't feel like I have enough information to hazard a prediction at this point. I just think it's it's dangerous to make that kind of prediction at the stage. You know what do you think they did it? I can't speak for them. I mean I think yeah I I can't i. Didn't I haven't seen their particular analysis of why they've done that. I just. It's hard for me to answer. Honestly I mean I think yeah. It's it's really hard to know it's just hard to know. I mean it's on right now. There's like the numbers are still coming out fast out of Han. Although again we don't know how much of that is. New Infections are just confirmation of existing cases. That alone is a city of eleven million people. And you know a lot of them left. I think at least five million appear to have left just before the shutdown of transportation We're now starting to see the ramp up. You know the the whole country was kind of more on a holiday footing with the Lunar New Year. That's over now. It's just kind of ramping up more fully. I just think there's it it's just hard to know. I don't feel like we have enough information to really be able to chart a trajectory yet. I really just don't since you started covering this. Do you feel that there begins to be any encouraging news on the horizon or are we still in the thick of things? Well I mean look I think it's just encouraging for example. What I said about the eighty three percent of cases having mild symptoms the death rate you know even not taking into account the likely significant numbers of people who get this and don't show any symptoms. You know that that often happens being it sort of one percent maybe two percent so presumably it might end up being much lower so those are the things I think that are. That are hopeful. Yeah and then there's a there is certainly going to be a lot of mobilizing around the science. And it certainly has like the attention of of world class people and there's a lot of energy being put into moving quickly so that gives me hope. I don't mean to be all doom and gloom here. Yeah well let me ask you a couple of questions about the future. Which gives you an opportunity to be optimistic and upbeat if you WanNa since you were warned about doom and gloom. So how does the world's deal in five ten years with pandemics like this? I mean they do seem to be coming more often more vast and furious and so how does the world deal and I guess. Is there any country that really stands out in your mind as a sort of really best practice example of? Who Does this well? I can't speak to like one country that I would point to just off hand but which isn't to say there isn't one out there but I just you know I tend to focus heavily on the United States is preparedness and then you know and then preparedness in in below resourced countries. I think that in terms of the the answer of how do we prepare? It seems like the most important thing is to just recognize that these are not fluke events like this is entirely predictable that this sort of thing should happen. You know we have. We have a situation. Where there are these viruses that circulate in animals that we are because of climate change because of the way that these markets work the way that you know. There's so much more travel in the world that this kind of mode of transmission of jumping from a wild animal into a human and then you know in a place where people then will travel and spread it further. This is sort of the world we live in now. You know and to the extent that we can just sort of accept it. That's how it is and then just really be looking for. What are the potential viruses out? There what are what's the architecture things that we can prepare that you know we we sort of have ready made you know kind of almost complete vaccines and almost complete therapies that we can kinda then fit to whatever emerges that left that kind of preparedness and then again just really beefing up preparedness in the poorest countries. Because I think that doesn't get enough attention of how much of a threat this this is really more than anything to countries that already have weak health systems. So that that I think if we focus on that On all of those things then we'll be in better shape and some of that has been happening and arguably a lot more needs to be happening. Nouri thousand men you so much for making time for to talk to us today is my pleasure is great to talk to you. Peter knuth was incredibly thorough in her evaluation of what the health repercussions are and kind of the outlook of this virus. Worldwide in and out of China. But I think there's another aspect that we touched on briefly which is what's going to happen to the world economy. I have so many questions about tourism in Asia about air travel about all. These convey no conventions that are being canceled. Financial markets holding on still precariously. Is the other shoe really going to drop in the next couple of weeks or months? Well I have two thoughts on that Mooney one is I agree with you and the other ones. I don't agree with you. I I know I know that sounds a little schizophrenic. But let me take on the agree with you. I'm I'm Talked to a number friends of mine in New York today. And we're in end of quarter reporting season and a lot of companies are really freaking out about the guidance that they are about to give to analysts and shareholders because they don't know and that's one of the things that is so scary. About what new reet. Who is a real expert in? This transmitted. Here is how much we don't know. And so you know. People need to give guidance about what's going to happen to their companies and in particular people are very freaked out about supply chains which China's so-so integrated in and they'd really don't know what to say and so that leads me to the part that I don't agree with you with which is there really is just a ton of UNKNOWNS YEAR. That could lead this to be The huge doom and gloom story of of twenty twenty but it also could lead This thing to disappear as quickly as SARS ended up disappearing nearly ten years ago so with that we leave you. Thank you for joining us an Ulta Mar.

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Episode 092: How to Create a Better Relationship featuring Tara Davis

The Pillars of Health Podcast

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Episode 092: How to Create a Better Relationship featuring Tara Davis

"The trailers now todd pat what stories coach john herald going three over the middle lane north carolina moral doesn't die and everything you need to know when it comes to strengthen conditioning trish sleep as stress management check us out on move lab rallies dot com fame coach john carey dot com now you're you're john and i'm very excited to talk to david say on the health fuck has fallen utara thank you hi we are excited to delve into relationships and intimate intimacy everything that goes along with those two topics so before we do that let's ice rink and when she was the biggest lesson or take away from me gonna be a car in the previous relationship will you know as i look at this question on i really sat in what is one major lesson that i've learned in actually there is not well there is one but here's how i look at it as i just open every day all the lessons that come about because i know for me traeger are my lesson whatever is up in whatever is triggering me there's a lesson in there for me but one of the really big lessons for me in my current relationship this year will be married twentyfive years actually in a couple of weeks twentyfive years of marriage wrestlers thank you it doesn't seem so but it'd be other other hand it seems like an attorney because i've heard so much and so one is need biggest lessons that i have learned that my husband is just been amazing is that i have learned to use my voice it has been the biggest transformation of me in our marriage as equally as it has been at a partnership and is in a in the couple but for me it is just been to i've grown into me had i not been in a partnership like in a marriage i don't know that i would have grown into me fully as i have with my husband he has been my biggest teacher my biggest growth opportunity and just by being yeah he's not done anything differently just seeing him yeah it's been my biggest proponent perreault okay that's a really interesting observation kind of you know pitches on some areas what kind of get into later on as well but one thing that kinda 'cause it's for me when it comes to relationships and marriages and you know looking back on my experience do and i'm i'm married right now and you know we've been together for three years murray for years total and i realized i had a serious lack of communication ability when it came to relationships and you know that's what my needed to improve on but then i'm thinking well you know there's quite a few men who have communication issues when it come relations you know but the that work in order to make things work overall shubra oh my gosh i'm so part of my journey into myself an juanita had this fantastic marriage was learning how to communicate and communication is so much more than just talking communication is being able to identify and again it comes back to us it's a it's learning what are feelings are because we really can't communicate and express their feelings we don't know what they are other than angrier happy right and so i always love thing that you know anger and happiness are just the front man for a woman for whatever is underneath and happiness is great but let's feel into what else is there is there gratitude is their joy is there bliss an equally underneath happy or underneath anger if you know what is underneath anger there are two billion things that are underneath anger and so what this has to do with communication is that once we start learning about are so and really diving into learning about us that's where the communication piece comes in because then we can actually make it about us i feel blank you know i feel blank when this happened instead of playing finger and being x terminal and making it about a partner oh you always do black instead you know looking in and thinking okay so my partner always does this it literally truly is a lesson for us in that my partner will continue to do this until this trigger no longer triggers me and i whatever that trigger it as much as we wanna air box are partner and say god would you please just stopping it really is our own lesson pilgrims and i just wanna touch real quick john on the the communication peace and you're right as males i don't know that you are purposefully taught the communication piece i think as a as a society we left it up to the women to take care of that piece in the marriage right and so as women we find ourselves wanting to communicate most of us love to talk i'm so we become that piece of the marriage and the guy who just kind of like oh okay well sure whatever you say you know and so my husband bless his heart because he's so married to me he's been pretty much exposed to all forms of communication and as i've grown you know i've gone through so many different courses on how to communicate and so his communication by default just gets up leveled each time i take a new course or i learn you know my new triggers and changes in art communication tation sell high school i'm working mcneil communication okay that's a that's a fascinating insight because i'll tell you the questions we have lined up will kind of delve into a little bit more as well but on ice elvis joke but whoever zeon times on average male irish catholic male originally so you know feelings unexpressed all those feelings come naturally so so just just be worn yeah so and when it doesn't come naturally that's the part where we compassionately shortly and gently work on it it's not something that you just you know forced happened like look you're gonna talk that doesn't happen so it's using that same gentleness and that compassion oh weaving in communication and i know you're not talking about you're feeling but let's try this let's just look one thing and so by compassionately and gently looking into that i love your background because yes you're right that doesn't come in yes yes so so what it is realizing that admitted against russia for everyone listening just gonna delve into your background on your path to becoming which intimacy expert please yes yes yes and so when we got married it was so fun we were married for the first five years and i loved it they like we actually were still in honeymoon like the first five years and then all of a sudden like the real world came in and i was like this is not what i signed up for you it's not what i thought marriage was supposed to be like and so i started figuring out in in going outward looking for okay well i guess it's up to me to do this fingerpointing wasn't working and that wasn't solving anything in mind may can shift and change change really wasn't doing anything that was running up a brick wall in so i realized that i knew how i wanted my marriage to be an i knew i wanted to be in this for the long haul i knew i wanted an end all be all relationship right there just like emotionally snuggle up in my partners lap and just be able to completely unfold however that looked without judgment and at the time i thought well this is like a fairy tale that would never happen but i thought something in me new that's exactly what i want and i was not going to settle for anything less and so i started on this personal development pass pass it i was completely new to at about five years intermarriage on that was such a new thing to me and then once i started down that path it was like an option i could not get enough of so helping personal development in so so then i started realizing well the marriage is they completely overflowing changing involving entity of itself but i am responsible for my half of the street in this marriage and so i kept you know making myself i don't wanna use the word better but just continually working on myself the hill whatever triggers continually came up and so when i kept doing this other people kept asking people to do this marriage thing like you seem to be fairly good at it and then will end so i sort of sharing and then by default my husband was in the military at the time and so he with the officer so he would have you know he'd be in charge of you know hundreds of soldiers at a time and then they would boy and then i was here in states while they were you know in some other country in the never be all the wives were here and so they would ask me all these questions and so i by default kind of became this coach like the surrogate coach and it felt so comfortable for me so i kept sharing all the knowledge college that i got and then i realized she kind of good this so i searched and man i just realized how much i loved helping other women in power in other women in this format and so it just sort of the coaching and then i realized in my own marriage that each time my husband because of the military would be gone and come home and gone and come home then it really started interrupting the flow of what i what i thought we had this really good thing going i thought god this is not working that took us into therapy for years and years and years and years because actually at a point we got being i don't even know how to be married to anymore because you're never ends well it wasn't a bad thing is at first i was using that to finger point and thought well i think this marriage is over because you're just never hear no actually i'm gonna use this growth point an how do we make this work and so again because they're in the military removed every couple of years with a different therapists every couple of years i was determined to really make this work and so each time we would it would be a different therapists with a different concept or with a different twist and so i continually kept learning all of these modalities which then put me back in school as an adult i went 'em for a degree in psychology because the brain and how we function just fascinated me and so i realized that once we start onto the path of self discovery it's really the connection of intimacy with in ourselves that we bring to the marriage once we had such an in depth insights into are selves that's when they intimacy in the marriage actually starts the spark because intimacy isn't the sex right it's not in the bedroom timoci is that internal knowing are so that we bring to share with are partner and when we have such a death in ourselves that we were actually able to open up and be completely vulnerable entrance parrot with our partner until we've done internal work we are closed and we don't have any availability the intimacy with are partner and so i really realized i did that because of the personal work that i've done an this is certainly not saying that i 'perfect because every day is a new day that i'm still learning but i learned that when the triggers common even though i will tracked into the trigger and go oh no the one that's about you i again i will remember to get out of my head and back into my heart in realize okay good god it's about me third in real life but okay it's another piece from me till look with an unrealized right there's another layer that i can let go of that brings even more into see into that place was so it's like teaching this and teach more and more west couples i love learning in real life that men want this connection just as much as women they just haven't realized how they get to it yeah yeah be the point you bring up there but looking with in kind of being the first step to kind of alive everything else in relationship to open up a war do do you feel like that's a hard thing for a lot of people to do and then when when things aren't going well and you know like you said before you know like this this relationship is over it's kind of like the easy way to be like okay we're going on as opposed delving into yourselves and see what you could do better agreed yes i am looking back i know it would have been completely easy way because i was getting to the point i was i was literally on the cliff it was either i run away and divorce or i jump in and steal all of that duck and mock in pain and everything else and what i decided wasn't i don't think it was a conscious decision it wasn't like okay i'm totally heading for the pain it was i don't know how else to do this other than i love you so dearly with all of my heart i just gotta keep going forward but this is insane that my partner also got to a space of really love you and i can't imagine not doing this with you so how do we do this and it was coming to that place and it isn't easy i will one hundred percent say we had been at rock bottom four times and it is not easy because he's like is to say forget this i out like we have tried so much we are boxing gloves are worn out in yeah but each time i mean there was a vulnerability that we both came to in realizing oh man i really love you had that not been there in saying that that is also a place get to that's often not easy because when you're at that place of god were just were just not made for each other there are so many feelings that are covering up you know that onion there's so many layers at that are free of that that a bottom set point of the bottom there are so many feelings of consent arrested anger and resentment it's almost hard to find that nugget of love and so you know i always encourage people when you get to that point of that that rock bottom search out someone to talk to because if you're not shifting and healing what this trigger is free you're carrying all of this to the next relationship yeah yeah flew out in its naughty john you're absolutely right it's not right be a bunch of you you just brought up about shutting someone talking to someone else because again getting back to my background that was a a lifesaver for me being being able to communicate with someone else who wasn't directly involved in the relationship and could give you that thirty thousand foot view from overhead like okay here's what i see going on as opposed to just my perspective right and so that definitely gave me some some perspective i said okay this isn't about you know the person i can do more on my end to contribute more make this a better relationship absolutely and i love you did that because yes just having someone else's perspective just say oh did you recognize this is what's going on you're like oh god holy cow i've never even and it's just that affording that a pen or that offering of someone else's viewpoint who can help you see like right it is i keep finger pointing and i keep fingerpointing about the same trigger all of these have that common factor in there actually i do clean up my side of the street because it is about me right yeah and so when we start working when i start working with couples in an individual's tools i just love that fact because as individuals we actually really crave the vulnerability we crave to have people see us we crave that intimate connection oftentimes we just don't know how to get there exactly yeah yeah and i totally agree i don't agree not winning kind of shift gears a little bit on to just like creating boundaries and and and reasons andres not only in obviously are are gonna be on business or or or lifestyle but also our relationship health is well run you know and i love the business that were using the today because i'm teaching a boundary workshop this weekend and so i've been working on boundaries all week long handsome it's just been awesome and so whenever there's something that i'm working working on you know for a workshop her whatever of course it's up in my life so creating boundaries just so important first of all it gives us such incredible sense of self an end trust in ourselves because again a lot of don't have that foundational trust with inner selves really do it and then it doesn't happen for no i'm not gonna do that and then we ended up saying oh right because of all of this stuff in the background and so we don't have clear her boundaries when we say no come from that place of literally meaning with all of your body no end if you say yes it's because you want to say yes not because you feel compelled new or not compelled you feel obligated did you feel shamed into it like well i should say that word should you know i guess i should do it i mean come on your shoulders just dropped which used that word and so having those clear boundaries create such a sense of safety unstability with inner selves it creates an incredible 'em self assurance within ourselves and so about the first of all has so many reasons that we use some second of all it let other people know where we stop in where they start so that were not completely and mashed of like you know some people say oh i know exactly what you're thinking or i don't even speak because they know what i'm thinking now at large when you sit in a really long committed relationship that's probably the case but even still i find myself going i still know what you're gonna say my husband will go actually dump 'cause here's what i'm gonna say i'm like oh okay wrong i did not know what you're gonna say so the injuries keeping those boundaries really clear are so important because also other than giving us the incredible you know sense of stability in foundation it allows other people actually really see us who we are you know one of the things that i'm teaching this weekend is over committing ourselves and that's one of the things that i work on to become as as you and i were talking before the shiny object syndrome is just so i appreciate all the time if some new project comes on like shiny and fun that an eye over commit myself and so that at the boundary that i currently am working on is not over committing because here's what happens to me is that i get overwhelmed then i get anxious and then i get resentful then i get better and then i get deci and you know and all these things come in because i let my boundaries go and so when we start practicing setting boundaries sometimes we have actually really rigid until we learn like okay this is really comfortable now and now i could soften up a little bit and i don't mean soften up as in like go back pissing esta everything it means like okay now i've said no the last ten things is there one thing what a thing as too because now i know what it feels like in my boundaries so boundaries are definitely a continual thing that we work on yes yes a business and everything you just you just mentioned definitely falls in line because i had a lady called dominate nuts on previous episodes and you know we were talking a lot of work and raise you know and just a work lifestyle and undercut headlining that and you know her her saying was you know to her clients if you're and do something or there is no obligation that you have say yes or no and if it's not if it's not a hard yes it's a hard now you add so so i was like oh that is just like a goto for creating by andries i just take that one line and yeah there you go yeah it is thanks for sharing that because yeah that's a good one yeah yeah you've had a talk a little bit about triggers already and that's kind of just go into what exactly so most rigorous could be and you know strategies also kind of dealing with into yeah and they love i have a love hate relationship it triggers probably probably all do because the triggers are there for us to learn if there wasn't something stuck in a crawl it wouldn't be a trigger and so ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of the time when something gets you and triggers you it's it's about you it's not gonna be about that other person there's something with in us that it's triggering and we have looked pretty steep defined it i mean you know sometimes i've said like we just mentioned like this is not about me you know but as soon as i often in quit putting up that big wall and then realizing like oh maybe it takes twenty four hours before it reveals itself but as soon as i say all right you know what i'm willing to see what this is about you know it's really interesting when someone had shared with me recently like you know they were in the in the airport and they were rushing to get their flight because actually their flight with already delayed they had another commitment on the other end that they knew at the time this already gonna be crunched and so their bag there kerryon beta they've used for years and years and years all of a sudden with two big you know in in you know the person would like i don't even know what you're kind of tell me like i've been using this thing back for years and never got not gone you know as a oh it's it's too big it's gonna be checked in this person said i would actually i've got a almost run out of the gate to make the other appointments at i'm you know this isn't a thing and we up the gate check lady was adamant but it was gonna be he's under the belly of the clinton at the person would have to go baggage claim and yada yada yada as so it was such a trigger for my clients know when when we talked in in she was sharing this whole thing she said so triggered once i got on the plane and looked at all these other people that were behind me their bags were like you know another half size vigorous in my bag and like this is such a trigger entry said there was no way how is this about me you know with all about this other woman and so as we start i i'm kill it she was really working on anger and working on her own issues with anger and how she reacted to situations and so we broke it down and she was like actually take the bag away it wasn't even about the bag it without me and how i choose to act in a specific situations whether i choose to act with anger and she says the situation wasn't changing what what's happening what's my bag with being put under the plane i was gonna have to go get it it was how was i going to react to this one's gonna sit on the plane and feel like you know my whole body was affected by trigger no like so much happened with the trigger and so she had shared with me one of the biggest lessons i learned from just a small interactions with how all of that anger used affect me and i didn't even realize how my body reacts how my gut reacted how my mind reacted how the entire flight would have been affected and then what i would've would've wanted to do ten them out and not feel all of this so it was like this ripple effect of what she learned from what that lady at say checkout gave her but she really awesome so we're gonna talk about gender roles next and out yeah i grew up in a family two older sisters only boy and i definitely think most of that when it comes to gender roles because i feel like if i didn't i might have i've dated view of of gender roles so i'll let you kind of explain what gender roles are on some of the conventional series when it comes to this area yes and i love that you grew up catholic irish catholic because i grew up in a catholic household is well and it was really apparent to me what the gender roles were growing up it was that my dad was the one who went to work and made all the money that's an well in in he somebody's mom there were four of us children and so my mom stayed home they put us through private school so my dad was continually working bus meant he would sit and so in my mind the gender roles but i was shown growing up was that the males leaves the house makes all the money really isn't emotionally present and the females job is to cook and clean in in my mom was a fantastic will still is the fantastic seamstress so she made a lot of our clothes volunteered and so that was my example of what a marriage looked like what gender roles look like and so i thought oh right i mean again this is such a subconscious thing a lot of times so unconscious is that we learn by example and so whatever that example is until we make be realization like that's how i grew up but that's not not how i want it to be until we have that realization we just continue in those patterns and so when i married my husband like right so you're gonna go off to work and i'm going to stay at home which was fun i loved loved loved the mom gig i still love it but you know sort of having these internal conflict like but wait a minute you're never end you're emotionally unavailable what that so married exactly be example that i was raised without just on a subconscious level and so when i started getting really frustrated with how he wasn't showing up and i'm like but you know this is not my parents marriage was here so with because they married exactly what i thought i was supposed to be doing an my husband completely filled that role he came from the exact same situation and so both of us were like trying to figure out why we were butting heads it's so funny looking back because it's exactly what we did we we jumped into our relationship from what we thought it was supposed to look like restarted butting heads because it wasn't what we want it to look like in rock hill i love now but the genders are so much more more fluid i have had several clients to the men have been stay at home dads and they've been amazing incredible nurtures and they have loved that role and the woman has been the one who makes the majority of the money and she has such she has so much more masculine activated in her aunt and the husband has way more feminine activated in him and so once we are able to to lean into that balance of masculine and feminine and you know a lot of us have more that we lean towards than any other and i don't feel like it's dependent upon the physical shells that we inhabit right now whether or not we inhabit a male body or a female body or a gender neutral on each it's whatever we feel resonates with us the most and so in my marriage i will just use mine is an example it's been a practice in a process for both of us show up in that balance because that's my husband was in the military and incredibly masculine role five was balancing the other side of our marriage by stay home in raising the kids which again i super duper loved i would never have changed it for the world once arch and started growing and i was like oh i wanna start working there was this evil intermarriage because it wasn't what we knew an stepping sipping more into eight masculine role by working and i had started a business at that point and i had people working for me so i was way more in my masculine and my husband didn't know quite how to react to that masculinity with in me all he knew of me was i was super duper feminine in so i love that question because that's today it's so easy for us to just pick and choose like oh i totally wanna be you know we we could both be it's you know what we have to choose right i i like the gender roles are so we would these days which is austin is as they should be yes yes exactly i think i think it's it's moving in the right direction right and that's only comes to you know categorizing and saying that okay only females were this early meals and this is like listen everybody can do whatever they wanna do and i love the men who like my husband like his hardest hit the contribution at the helpful he does the laundry he takes my job so seriously like he are closed are beautiful because that's part of his job he also like every couple of weeks we trade jobs on grocery shopping so it's no longer that just women do the laundry in the okay look look like it's an equal opportunity household and i love that because that is what our youngest to his eighteen c you know because that's example that he's getting we don't have to tell him what it looks like it's example but he seemed that way yeah yeah and that's gonna set him up for success because like i had previously like older generations you know we have grown up where at home we had these very divided gender roles and like socalled yeah that's what we used to but now that you have all in and your son sees that when his parents that's a that's almost like so much more free ramsey that even though he may not obviously at the time realizes little elston good seven four it is incredibly freeing thank you for using that terminology nology because yes he gets to choose for roles that he wants to try and i mean he could try them all out and voting what really resonates with him versus oh well i guess this is how it looks so i guess is what i'm supposed to do you know yes i love that yes you're right no freaking awesome awesome all right so this this next topic is one i've been looking forward to discussing what you sell a people basically and and people saying what's on their mind right and i'm just a relationship so this can be there's gonna be a very hot topic and i'm just gonna ask you like water water some the underlying causes of white people may shy away from really saying what's on their mind in relation to confrontation in relationships yeah and there's gosh i'm gonna try to keep the scrape together if it's something that i could talk about for a long time 'em so first of all we have in our nature that were nonconfrontational because whatever they example was we've grown up with whether it's we grew up with someone who wasn't yeller and were afraid of being yelled at you know or we got punished for speaking up or we got laughed at ridiculed and so we have learned again by example that it's not safe safe to tuned to create a rep for to create a calm a confrontation so we shy away from confrontation when people pleasers right we just wanna keep the peace so we shy away from confrontation 'em we don't have a state boundary with in us that tells us i know what's right and so when we don't have that safe boundary with in that says it right then we don't know that it's okay to speak up and so you know that old saying children are seen not heard i mean literally that created so many weighing in us that means we don't confront anything because we don't have a voice and so so that's a little piece of it another pieces that maybe we don't know how to use our words like we had talked at the very beginning i don't communicate and so i don't know how exactly say what is it i want to stay in the home we earn specific tools on communication in the right way to communicate instead of just mumbling are anger all over the place in the communication because become so much more ffective neutral my husband and i gosh i can't even say the last time that we really had a heated argument because we have to the place where when there is a reference something is up 'em we know how to communicate in that neutral place in one of the biggest things that i teach is icefield blank win blank and it means not i feel like you should it is really a anxious or i feel really hurt when and then we is that another thing i teach is that we all create these stories in our minds about you know when you've done something i'm creating the story of why you did it nine times out of ten story it's absolutely wrong and so we have started using the story and creating in my mind is what that does is first of all it takes all of these defensive fences out you know my partner is no longer defensive because i've taken it back to me it's on my side of the street i am take complete ownership for the story i'm creating about what you just did or said or you whatever and so confrontation command really good saying if something needs to come up and be you know sussed out and figure it out to get to that neutral face confrontation it's good i think we've we've learned to look look at it as a bad thing because we know confrontations anger right and so when it is left unaddressed we have not learned boundaries i love this question that you had given to me is well if lesson addressed the lack of boundaries he's become impossible later down the road because when we don't confront what's going on and i know this from so much personal experience because i grew up in one of those household where it was safe to say what i was thinking like i just better closed right now because at the time when i was growing up i had a lot of people in my life that were overbearing and so i wanna say something as a little child i could have been reprimanded i could have been yelled at i could have been grounded sent you know whatever all of these you know things and the child i felt shame and i felt so small and so when my husband and i started to learn how to talk and still i find myself going with in my husband all right what's going on because you're not talking i'm like oh going again and so i know that when i don't speak first what happened is i'm creating a gazillion story then my mind about why he just did that horse said that second of all you start getting better and then i'll starting getting get resentful and then i'll start getting like and then it goes in my body and start creating stuff in my body and so when we choose not to confront what's going on all of this stuff i mean and then it i mean we could go on with health issues and you know on and on and on but confrontation could actually be a really good thing if we come with that mindset of oh sure sure i know how to speak for myself i know how to speak with neutrality with confidence and they know how to get to the other side of whatever the issue is right right yeah and you know i i really feel like what you just mentioned relation to you know kind of phrasing it the way the story in my mind that i'm creating is will is so you know identifiable for a lot of people because you know when you're in that back and forth with your significant other things change in your mind to where okay did this really happened or am i just making this happen you know i i definitely identify with that yeah i mean let's face it we create stories about everything all day long yes yeah yeah crazy it's crazy you know i've definitely been the place where my wife's like a you know where where did this come from or this part of the story i think i'm pretty sure that happens and then later on when i think about myself i'm pretty sure that doesn't so yeah i become the comedy sometimes if we can look back with thing with the thought of all me like i guess yes exactly exactly a okay i want you to feel everybody it is a work in progress we have a book in the works correct i knew i do is about the relationship playbook for marriage is how to be present in your relationship and how it's it is about the two of you but how it's ultimately about you it's about healing you add one of my therapist at one point uses keeping your side of the street cleaned instead of making sure that you're just but you're not pushing everything else to the other side of the street and so in a marriage it's neat it's always about us and i don't mean that from an ego at standpoint is about self care in so many different ways when we're taking care of herself and being true are self speaking our truth our relationships and specifically marriage flourish and slow in it so much better when we are totally taking care of herself and that was like the key thing that my husband and i learned earned through all of the different therapists was not only are we in this together but we are so in this individually like we have to practice daily self care because that's what are marriage flourishes when we are individually taking care of i so i mean i feel like it's about yeah i definitely a lot of a lot of really helpful and insightful advice and you know practical tips that would obviously assist a marriage kind developing and then becoming while we kind of talked about threat this podcast yeah yeah that's all i wanna thank you charlie taking time to come on the podcast and this has been really really fascinating stuff and you know i feel like we've got tougher another two three hours and i would i would continue to learn a ton so yeah thanks john i really enjoy it and said yeah i know you're going to everybody in on where they could find you a website you're still should be all that good stuff yet so you can find all of the information at the relationship playbook for marriage dot com all my social media is on there a my favorite social media instagram and i am do i do stories every day on my personal life life which is really fun i kept tips everyday 'em i do love the facebook live so you could find me there there is tons of free information 'em from my podcast days there's tons of podcasts blogs there's so much free content and then when i have workshops coming up that information will be on there as well and then you could find my six month in six week course is that article also available on my website awesome yeah i would definitely recommend checking out the website because if you are coming

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Director Hao Wu on his film 76 days

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25:44 min | 7 months ago

Director Hao Wu on his film 76 days

"I'm Keith MacArthur unlocking bryson's brain is a podcast about my son I am. The rare disease that keeps him from walking or talking Bryson's perfect. His life is really hard and our families search for a cure. Oh my gosh. Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We can do just about anything modifying DNA Heart in my throat cure his controversial unlocking braces brain subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. The. Opening sequences like something out of a horror movie there's a hand held point of view shot one health care worker is chasing another down hospital hallway both are covered head to toe in white plastic has mad gear and then one of them begins to wail. On your. Her father has just died and she's longing for one last goodbye. But our colleagues hold her back as a body bag is wheeled away on a Gurney. This is a hospital in Wuhan China at the height of the COVID nineteen crisis there, and that moment is the opening of a powerful new documentary called seventy six days at screening as part of the Toronto International Film Festival. Is One of the documentaries directors, and he is in New York City how good morning. Won't. Tell me but that opening sequence is even just hearing it again. Is, chilling to watch what's unfolding is really quite something when you saw that footage, what did you think? I was crying when I watch that footage even just in it's very rough rush format. And that time as I was doing research for a US network about doing. Covert nineteen film in Wuhan. And I've retell to over a dozen. So makers helping filming hunt. But as as I saw that footage I decided I wanted to collaborate with. Journalists who shot footage to make a phil what is the footage tell you about immune? We'll talk more about the things that unfold in this hospital over the course of the seventy six days. But what does that footage tell you about what life was like in that hospital? It was absolutely horrible and scary and people. especially. Because it was in the very early days of the Kobe nineteen pandemic very few people knew how dangerous the virus was. So everybody was just trying to be super careful like you mentioned that the health worker couldn't even say goodbye to her father for the last time because her colleagues were trying to keep her away from from the body So you know what are not to get hurt accept it even though all covered head-to-toe MPP. So it was really heartbreaking and and the same time it feel like when I watched I really did feel like it was. A almost as in sight feel. Well there's a scene that shortly thereafter. And it it shows people who are banging on the doors of the hospital trying to get in the doors are locked in a banging and there's a crowd of people outside the door and they want to get in because they're worried that they might be infected, but there's not enough space for them. So the hospital workers kind of opened the door one person comes in and then they closed the door and locked the door and it's like something out of a movie. It did. Look like a movie and just to. Correct you on that. Those people were diagnosed with a cove. It there were there were just like, but then even after diagnosis having a hard time. So killing bed because the hospitals even hunt we're all. That time so they'd already been diagnosed and couldn't find anywhere to be treated. That's correct. That was. Part of this in these these two scenes kind of paint the picture of what it was like for healthcare workers in that city in that hospital tell me more about about the challenges that those workers would face and one. Yeah. There were a lot of challenges especially in the beginning of the lockdown I can be Chinese government made a very. Excuse me. Made a very quick decision to lock down the city of Hun. But then a lot of the other aspects of how to manage the lockdown the. Had what the details. So there was a severe I there was a severe shortage of PS to protect the healthcare workers and at the very beginning and secondly You know the hospital there's so many people rushing who got infected by by the coronavirus in rushing to the hospital and healthcare workers were having a hard time finding best for them. Or find ways to treat them and Lafley. A lot of house coworkers were trained in infectious disease but. It wasn't like a war zone. So anybody who know who was a nurse or doctor were sent to treat covid nineteen even though after others just a very. Short training. As the pandemic was unfolding in Wuhan we spoke with people who were part of that locked on people who had been locked into their apartments and they weren't able to leave. You are able through this project to get into the hospitals as you say, where people were seeking treatment tell me how this project unfolded for you. Look a long story on to get this project going First of all, usually under kind of filmmaker would like to do character focus stories rather than newsy topics because I often wonder the filmmaker, how much more can I add to? A topic that's been well covering the media but on January twenty third, the Dave what's put under lockdown. I flew back to China to spend Chinese New Year with my family in Shanghai. So you but the real even though I was in. Shanghai which. You know far from behind but as soon as well how was put under lockdown the entire country of China putting much what shutdown as well going Chinese New Year. Everybody just stay home and nobody was venturing out the city of Shanghai, which is China's largest city also looked like a Zombie apocalypse movies there. So it was pretty shocking to me to see a country could be looked like that and after I flew back. To New York where you were approached me to make a film about this pandemic. I just because for me it was personal. We have plans to take my kids to kids to go to Shanghai for doing, Chinese, you're to visit their grandparents because both my parents. have. They stage cancer I don't know how much time they have loved to spend with their grandchildren. So for a long time, I was feeling really sad. I didn't know how whether they'll be able to see their grandchildren again and also right after Chinese New Year? My GRANDPA was diagnosed with late stage liver cancer and he passed away a month later. So this Kobe I couldn't go back. Fly Back to China to say goodbye to him myself because China. Had restricted inbound traffic. So everything's Code store has become very snow. So we're not US network approach me to make a documentary I jumped down and I started researching and talking to people filming on the ground and that's all I got in touch with my coat. Directors how did the CO directors get this access in the hospital because it seems as though they are as close to to what was unfolding as you could possibly get. Yes So Much two CO directors of both journalists in China way she's ten because you know who's getting credited a by his real name. He's video reporter for esquire China however, he went to. On finance from esquire China he went there because he wanted to find out what's happening during the lockdown and he found a way to embed himself with a medical team sent from somewhere else in China to support. So he embedded himself. With the medical team and spend a long time I think over forty five days with a medical team in one hospital, my co director Who didn't want to basically show his identity or get credited get credit I credit him as anonymous, and he's a reporter photojournalist called local newspaper in Wuhan and he because can you a lot of the hospitals were able to get really great accents and he shot like three hundred hospitals the footage of which I incorporate in the film you see th those who work in the hospitals or wearing a mentioned. These has matt suits completely protected. There are scenes in which you know they're taping up the sleeves of their gear so that the virus doesn't creep in. What sort of challenges did that pose for your two co directors in terms of what they were able to film and how they weren't able to film I must say, huge. Rations for my co directors because he was especially in in February when lot was unknown about this virus, the were really brave in terms of going to the hospital and wearing the same. Protective gear equipment as the ET healthcare workers. Feeling that way, they really put their own health and their own lives on the line to do that and also wearing the PPI. Holding a camera assuming for hours a day it was really physically exhausting because the material of the has met sued. You know doesn't agree as well as regular clothes. So it was really hot and a Lotta Times my coach after. Would feel that they were faint and and so. So there's a lot of challenges also once you put on your PBS's you have to stay as long as you possibly could because wants to get out of the contaminations on you pretty much. Your quota for the day for the PS for the for the for the Gago, the suits, and you couldn't go back in again. So a lot of times they couldn't even get bathroom breaks because they just WANNA stay inside without coming out and taking. One of your co directors actually got sick is that correct? Yes we she's a So after study filming, he felt he had all the typical Cova symptoms. So He's A. Pretty scared he was. He was just ahead just married. So he was talking to his wife on the phone and but he couldn't see anyone he sales isolating. In in in the hotel that's reserved for healthcare workers, and now I think a week later, he checked himself into a hospital and got tested for the Kobe nineteen for the coronavirus and the results came back negative but then it was doing the early days and the tests were not exactly accurate. So we still don't know whether he had exposed and how is he doing? Okay. Yeah, he's okay. No. Okay. Hi I'm anesthesia abuses. 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One of the things we've seen this story play out around the world, but you really see it firsthand in this film is the relationship between those who are taking care of the patients and the patients themselves, and and there is a even in frantic situations. A relationship that develops between those two parties. Tell me a little bit about the relationship as you sought between healthcare workers and the patients and their families. So I think that's Relationship, between healthcare workers and patients was definitely wise of the footage that really really moved me other than the really dramatic and situations that have been captured by my two CO directors It's. It was those little moments when healthcare nurse trying to hold hands with old grandma who was super scared by herself. It was those little moments I really moved me that showed me that in the direst in the most dangerous. Most fearful situations we human beings consume managed, show our humanity. They're still hope that we can always do this together. That's one of the reasons that really prompted me to continue on finish this film one of the nurses says to one of the patients your family is not here where your family now. Absolutely and then I think what the anonymous co-opted wasn't paying attention to that male nurse and the beginning. But as soon as I saw that footage you to follow. Follow him. You have to keep on filming him because he just in a very quiet but dignified ways. Interact the way he interacted with these patients were just so movies but in a very, you know understated way. That continued after the patients did not survive with Cova nineteen Thursday a story of WHO's determined help get the personal effects of the dead back to their families are bags and boxes of phones and identity cards, and what have you told me a little bit about that and how that unfolds in the film. What what what the nurses did? was actually the recreation earlier the government regulation was I as soon as the patient, and past you have to burn everything all their belongings you cannot even like save anything because there just not sure how dangerous the virus was but Those nurses that Red Cross Hospital. In Wuhan, they decided to keep everything. They feel it's so important because the didn't get to see their families before they passed the feel like it was super important to keep something the personal effect for their families so they have something to remember. You know the the the those patient by so yes they they just clean they ever after every patient past the would just clean up everything with alcohol store them away and after the situation gut law bettering when I have more time they were clean them again and gradually calling the family trying to get in touch with them and try to. You know bring personally fit back to the family. It was really really heartbreaking because some of the family didn't even know their relatives or their parents or their grandparents have passed because it was so chaotic and the beginning of this crisis how the patients were admitted to the hospital the what's sometimes you you know as as showing the film. Odor patient they couldn't get in touch with family it was really heartbreaking. What did you understand about how the healthcare workers themselves coped with everything that was going on the there are scenes in which they're drawing characters on each other's gowns and on the PGA tell me a little bit about what they're writing. I I. Think I think some some of the healthcare workers on I can't. I can't speak to all of them. Some of them. Definitely. Volunteer. To go to the farm line because the like like one nurse said in the film because they feel like this is such a special time for the for their generation. It's rare for them to be able to become quote Unquote Heroes they want to get that sense of achievement all a sense of accomplishment by going to the phone lines so Men have done really like money to work. Walk with patience and they were really brave and but then the reality is that it was really hard repetitive and also very demanding. Many of them. Sick and so and so as the situation improved a little bit these trying to find ways to relax a little bit. So what they did offer was joe pictures and right out food they want to eat on each other You know has my suits because you know on the contamination or working hospitals they were eating the same box meals every day day in day out, they got really sick and tired of it, and they'll also trying to cheer each other up but obviously some six days just a snapshot, their lives doing the lockdown afterwards after lockdown lifted there you know there are a lot of issues will face to face with by these healthcare workers because. Many of them have sort of pushes traumatic. Distress because it was so. Emotional money shocking, and draining as scary for them to have to the seventy six days you mentioned your two co directors. That one is identified a reporter. As you say for Esquire China, the other one is anonymous. What sort of risks do people on the ground in city? Like Wuhan in the midst of that when everything is kind of falling apart what sort of risks politically do they take and making a movie like this? Yes I think right and the beginning much both my co directors were worried about the political risk um so we started. Collaborating. In in early. February. Then by late March when the political fingerpointing between China the US. became. Really bad. They stop collaborating with me and because we just didn't know where was taking the film whether they will get into trouble with the Chinese government depending on how I ended the film essential to how to edit out entire rough cut and showed them and come in some of my creative vision before they would resume collaboration with me because they were worried that they were worried that if the portrayal was in in one direction what would happen to them. Exactly exactly. What if I? You know I have a political agenda to make China. Look back. So, that's one thing that were were were involved about and so so I told him I, I just wanted to focus on the human story. That's what is strong in their footage. That's one of the most movie based on their footage So but then you you know I think I, think for my co director because they the they're they're the myth working China worry about their jobs. That's one thing secondly, I think. Increasingly. The more and more worry about Internet tros because right now anything you say about Kobe not just in China's social media even here in the West on twitter for example, you always have to camps. Worry mask no mass to camps will fight against each other So drucker increasing worry about what if the Internet trolls in China to? Take image some clips from the film accused him that the coach after trying to benefit personally from from this immense tragedy. Then have some blowback as well affect. Their jobs what about China? So that's why my anonymous director decided not to review. What about for you? I mean this film you You could be at risk of being seen as propaganda because you celebrates the workers who were there and talk about their lives. You could be seen as somebody who is portraying the situation in a negative light because there have been concerns that try to cover it up parts of the outbreak and the severity of what was happening and how did you manage to straddle that. I for me. One thing is I live in New York. I lived at work in New York City. So I'm less concerned about any political blowback as my co directors and secondly I feel like. I can't I can only do what I think is best. What we think's going to score the film based on the footage we'll have access to and I. I don't know I have faith. I have faith overall in the audiences in intelligence I think there will be. You know some social media trolls accusing us of either this or about but I trust based on early feedback from test screenings and also from some of the twitter mentions of the film so far at test I think people get what I'm trying to say which is that. In the catastrophe our experiences across cultures across national borders of very similar how China handle the outbreak has become an issue in the US presidential election. You have the President Donald Trump who? Alternately either praises or criticises China handle this. What did you learn about? How trying to handle this outbreak based on what you were able to pull together through this film. Yeah it's It's a roller coaster riot. All this geopolitical debates or arguments how China handles the Kobe nineteen crisis. It's so I think it's you too early to tell because we're still living through this questions. To be honest and the very very beginning of this angry I was Gonna end how China, handle the Hon the first week doing the lockdown it was absolute chaos. I think not just me entire country was angry. How could this have happened? How could people be dying So many people were dying, how could our healthcare workers lot PP's on the front line but and soon as the Kobe nineteen pandemic hit New York I was in New, York in March I. saw it coming I was actually on the street filming because I'm the beginning we're thinking about doing a tale of two cities just contract in the story response with the New York response. When he hit new? York? I suddenly realize it's the same whenever we face the sudden outbreak or A. Natural Catastrophe. No society. To be prepared for that. In in in the US, the same story in be replayed all over again. So that's how I decided that maybe. It's Arturo. Who did right? Could it wrong? So that's why I decided to make the film. Gets focused on individual experiences. What's the image from the film that as with you the most I mean given what you've seen, but also what you lived through in Shanghai and then back in New York and having seen this footage what is that one image that that stays with you the most in this phone Milner holding the hands or the scared grandma. Because I couldn't be there for my GRANDPA. Would you pass I couldn't be there to hold him. So that image really stay with me. That's that just shows. We are trying to tell each other in times of crisis, and luckily we do have some people who are willing to. In touch with each other. Despite the fear. It's a really powerful film. I mean as I said, it starts. In a very gripping way but the human stories that come out of this and to your point, the relationships that develop between those who need care and those who are giving the care is is quite something. It's great to talk to you about this. Thank you, congratulations. Thank you Matt, how who is one of the directors of seventy six days a film about the beginning of the pandemic in China, inside a hospital where Healthcare workers were treating those who were as I said, banging at the door trying to get in get that treatment at the film seventy, six days screening as part of the Toronto International Film Festival for more CBC podcasts go to CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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34:13 min | 1 year ago

Target USA -- Episode 200: NATO has a problem

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA after the name calling the fingerpointing and the ridiculing of one another at the NATO summit in London it's clear NATO as a problem. I think everybody has recognized. Denies the over the past few years. Something has changed in the way Democratic leaders express their opinions There's more bluntness service these days because of perhaps social media There is a tendency to concentrate on the headline not the substance and this type of behavior savior according to Jonathan vis-a-vis Estonia's ambassador to the US is sending the wrong message to NATO's adversaries you know we're we're we're not big fans of this I guess this is the way things are and but we obviously want to make sure that we do not send mixed messages out. Granted NATO was created in to protect countries like Estonia which sits at Russia's front door from the powerful aggression of the Soviet Union. The Cold War is said to be over. The Soviet Union is gone but Russia's aggression is back if he will well consider us to be the Carey in the coal mine. Were the ones who are it on the front lines as you said but in his words there appears to be a warning to those western nations. That seemed to be caught up in name-calling geography matters less these days and being far from the potential source of danger does not necessarily mean that. You're safe so what's the impact of all the public bickering. And what is the message. It's sending to NATO's adversaries all that and more coming up on this episode of target USA. He National Security Garrity podcast from WTO P in Washington DC this is target USA. Russia could render huge arm into this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States. Dangerous terrorists. DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to seek an attack back signed or criminal America as a target on. Its back and on this program. We investigate the threats the people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you this is target. USA The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green after the shocking public displays of animosity and aggression towards each other by some of the country leaders in the run-up to during and following the NATO summit in London in late November many observers were left wondering if NATO really is falling apart name calling finger pointing public airing of problems. That should have been kept. Private may have given Russia just toward what it's always wanted a fractured ineffective alliance but on this episode of Target USA Jonathan Vicinity of Estonia's ambassador into the. US says public appearances. Don't tell but the London summit set an awful lot it did receive quite a bit of media coverage here in the United States but I think A lot of it was To certain extent off the point I think the main point for us was that the summit was a a significant success story primarily because of the unity that NATO managed to demonstrate notwithstanding all the statements all the new stories at the end of the day our leaders got together a group good even though brief meeting and Most importantly we agree to a Ah NATO summit declaration very short but very to the point document that's open on the website. has I think a a few pages nine points at talks about not only the past of the alliance and the president but also about the future the challenges that we face and the need for NATO to become even stronger in the future. So I think all in all The summit was a Ah Successful as anybody could have imagined or anybody could have hoped four. And we're looking forward to twenty and continuing the important work of defending the euro area defending our core values our democracies ambassador. You have always been a very optimistic individual And I understand what you say about the coverage here in Washington but us you know you talk about this. Very Important Dekel Declaration. I don't think anybody here even knew what that declaration was after through all the shenanigans that went on before that between the leaders of Canada the US lund of the UK the and and France and but you say that There was tremendous unity so there was this unity behind the scenes or where there was this unity because he just didn't seem to be out in front of the cameras. All the way NATO operates it brings together Twenty nine democracies From Europe and North America anything that the organization does has to be consensus based so you need to get everybody on board It's a shame indeed indeed people haven't concentrated on the decoration These things don't just happen. It's not as if our leaders prime ministers presidents get together and draft the text it's been and has to be negotiated usually for weeks by diplomats by senior diplomats and do eventually Approved by heads of state and government. And that has received almost no coverage even though it's noteworthy document it as a straightforward when discussing the need for unity it is straightforward. What when discussing threats that we share it mentions Russia's aggressive actions as a threat to your Atlantic security obviously mentions terrorism? It talks about what NATO will have to do in the future now again. This is not a text that somebody just drafted. This is a text that all NATO allies agreed to every single comma every single word. There was no controversial rounded and the wording is quite strong frankly speaking speaking as an organization NATO from an internal point of view does not need leaders meetings The North Atlantic Council which is in permanent session Shen were usually ambassadors get together with the secretary-general they have all the legal rights to make decisions on behalf of member states and yet from time to time at foreign ministers and defense ministers indeed sometimes heads of state and government together in the main reason for that is to either solve certain outstanding issues that cannot cannot be sold at junior levels or to send a message to the rest of the world. I think the main outcome of this summit again notwithstanding some some of the media coverage was the The message that was sent out we got together. I mean we as well as any any other diplomat here in Washington and Brussels were perfectly aware of all the potential scenarios that could happen could have happened and none of the worst case. Scenario is actually happened. We manage to demonstrate our ability to not only put out that declaration but all in all stay together even though there are major differences of opinion in in many areas between the allies. Well that's my question considering these differences of opinions and the fact that as you mentioned almost no one knows what went on on in this. What what the outcome of this declaration was then doesn't data suggests that there needs to be some some adjustments in the NATO maybe it's the public relations process or something because image is everything I mean? They all this important work goes on behind the scenes and I know this most of the people who listen to this program and all of our broadcasting knows that NATO is a political organization with a military objective and it does operate on its own. It really doesn't as you say. Need these leaders out in front but they are and it's unfortunate again as you mentioned but does this suggests that there perhaps needs to be some adjustments in the way in which NATO communicates to the world or can that even be controlled. All the main thing is that NATO is not in the business of NPR business. Were in the business of Defense Defense and deterrence and that's what has to function To certain extent we cannot control new stories that are out there. The narratives that are often times uh-huh driven by our member states internal dynamics internal domestic politics. I mean we are all democracies and democracies Have a tradition of having vibrant debates. It's not only about domestic affairs but also international affairs that's normal. I don't think we need to get rid of that. I mean that that's a good thing But you know US getting our messages out. There is obviously important and Hopefully people recognize that We the obvious while communicating with words and statements. We also communicate with action stuff that we actually do Some of which is naturally classified. Defied isn't as as public. You know the planning that we undertake the internal that abrasions that who have as an alliance some of them are more visible bowl to the outside world like exercises or military presence of for instance American troops in Europe. Something that has gone up. Defense expenditures has received the long coverage for obvious reasons. Now it's important to note that the money that NATO allies put into their defense is going up. But it's also important to understand that this is not just money that goes in there are actual capabilities that come out because of that money going in actual capabilities that we use in our planning and in our exercises sizes and at the end of the day we used to deter defend our common euro-atlantic area so the good things taking place now. Nothing's ever perfect of course and that's why we need to have those discussions discussions and debates We'll have them. One of the outcomes of the summit was an agreement to have a forward-looking reflection process under the Secretary Attorney General Secretary General Stoltenberg. That will look at how NATO would perhaps better Operate in a changing world. But also I want to draw people's attention into the fact that it's not often that NATO gets together and discuss his new areas of security new technologies new regions recognizing the fact that the world realist- changing and even though we stay united in defending our territories. We recognized that this is no longer. Just you know doable. In Europe North America alone other regions new domains cyber space. They matter so I think you know NATO is Up and running Were a a small nation as I hope most of your listeners. Now small nation. At the periphery of NATO Were very much aware of the the security challenges Do not only our but but allied security. We would not be quiet if we thought that there are major problems with this cornerstone of our security and yet I'm here telling you the things are okay. Things are going well well. This is precisely part of the reason why we want to do here because we knew we could get a straight cut at this this from you and I appreciate that you come at things head on and address it straight up. You're on the front line of NATO's IOS periphery with Russia. And you've mentioned Russia in this conversation at least once At the same time not to continue to beat the is dead horse of about the messaging. But when you have a president macron saying the leadership is brain dead and then you have our president president trump going back at him saying that's insulting and then you have other scenarios like that those people who make up mainly Russia The target are the focal point of of NATO have to draw some understanding from That kind of activity between the people that are on the same team. Doesn't it concern you or does it concern you that this may embolden and does threats That NATO is setup to to deal with and perhaps send messages to others who are considering who are not in the in the alliance who are considering Possibly engaging in ways that could make life difficult for NATO members I think everybody has recognized that over the past few years something has changed in the way Democratic leaders experts their opinions. There's more bluntness these days because of perhaps social media There is a tendency to concentrate on the headline. Not The substance. I mean you mentioned just a minute ago. Most people haven't reds or probably haven't even Realized that there was a declaration. That leaders I put out which is again. Just the I two page document not a lengthy and complicated Text You know we're we're we're not not big fans of this I guess this is the way things are But we obviously want to make sure that we do not send mixed messages out That we do not confuse fused anybody into believing that there is an alternative to to having a viable like relationship. If you will well consider us to be the cannery cannery in the coal mine. We're the ones who are on the front lines as you said even though geography matters less these days and being far are from the potential source of danger does not necessarily mean that you're safe wasn't our elections That were attacked. wasn't our streets on which People were murdered by the secret services off Russia so it doesn't necessarily mean that the fact that you're far from the border it doesn't necessarily mean that you're somehow isolating we know this or safer we've been we've been talking about this. Obviously in the context of international terrorism for instance. But it's ever more so who with Cybersecurity With you know the challenges that the derived from the ecological development so I mean clearly Sending ending clear messages to our friends but also our potential adversaries is of most importance and we honestly cannot see ah alternative in this changing world to for for the democratic world to stick together and work together no matter what challenge were discussing instability in the wider world colder the technological change or the rise of China. You name it. We cannot see a way for the democratic world based upon society is based upon a similar philosophy to to survive or thrive beyond the twenty first century unless we stick together and NATO is one of the cornerstones news of a sticking together this is the organization that brings together now all of the democracies in the world but a good number of them a clear majority of them. I'm in the euro-atlantic area. There are other aspects that are important of course the overall transatlantic relationship that encompasses that e U U. S. relationship for instance Very much trade focused or our bilateral relations with the United States. So we need to make sure that these things These things Are Okay That we stay true to our principles while engaging with other nations which is obviously also necessary. I mean we can pretend that We can you know take care of security but just focusing on defense would have to have a you know a vibrant Diplomatic Effort As well but while engaging with others diplomatically we need to stick together. It was so from a position of strength and and stay true to our principles. The thing that president trump talked about was increasing. The amount of Participation Financial Central Participation from NATO countries where does E. Where does where does Estonia Stan on that while we're in agreement agreement The that issue can be divided into two subcategories one is A relatively insignificant significant amount of money that We have to spend to just keep the organization itself running the headquarters. The international staff that we have hired had to who worked for a NATO as an organization and there was an agreement to amend the way we allocate those costs between the member states between the allies the other aspect. Not Sorry just interrupt the insignificant amount. That's not the two percent that's not this. Two percent the other aspect is the two percent. Because that's the amount of money we each suspended not on NATO but on our own defense and this is not some money that People have to put up and you know hand over to other nations or head over to a NATO or the secretary general at stole a different thing. The two percent goal has been agreed to by allies as a minimum level for their own defense expenditures. Now it's no secret that a number of NATO allies have have not yet met that benchmark. And it's no secret that president trump has to a large extent concentrated on that problem. Now we're with him when it comes to this problem We have been as hopefully again most people. Now we've been at two percent for quite some time now and we think that is the minimum required Not only required by our agreement but a minimum for providing a viable defense and glad to see the number of allies that actually joined in that club increase Defense budgets are on the increase. But more important than the money is the actual capabilities that we we are now able to to have And then the question is what do we do with those capable of this wall. We're defensive organization clearly. We need to poach coach. Our forces in a way that communicates clearly to all others that NATO is going to defend each and every square mile of its territory the Space Cyberspace US and NATO is not only willing to do so but also capable of doing so and we're making progress in that front as well now. A lot of this is relatively mundane will never reach. The news is nobody will ever discuss this publicly But that's the more important aspect of what NATO does military exercises the planning the infrastructure of the way. Oh forces she's our post shared. All of this is really crucial especially for us as a frontline state making sure that the foundation is solid indeed okayed so then what. What about the four percent because that surfaced recently as well from president trump? Where do you stand on that? I think he mentioned He didn't mentioned three or four percent or something along that lines while I think he was referring to the fact that the United States is significantly above two percent when it comes to defense spending of course not all of the. US Defense Money Spent on the Europe area the US Global Paulo Vista has a lot of interests in other regions of the world That is not A. That's that's not the official Benchmark that's not the official by the way we Estonia are also above two percent will always say above two percent or not at two percent. We're about two percent. There are a few others who are above two percent but the reason why two percent is important is because that's the agreed minimum. That's why you have to be at and I think it's good. I mean it's not it's not good for NATO only it's good for the member states for the allies to have a more credible more capable defense. Do you think Article Five is still ironclad. Considering again the public you know demonstrations demonstration's of frustration with each other. You know what happens if there is a need. I think particle five is only been enacted once in nine eleven here in the US today and to be clear about it. Back in those days in twenty Eh Thousand One. The Global Democratic the Global Democratic Of of UH interaction between these nations was much different. It was as you mentioned you know. Democratic leaders were. They acted towards each other much differently. But these public pronouncements announcements of frustration. Now do you think they will or could impact the ability to enact article. Five NECESSAR- Will Article Five has been invoke once as you correctly pointed out right after the nine eleven attacks to be clear about it. Article Five means if one is attacked always attacked and the all will rise is to defend the one interrupt that that's the collective defense close at the heart of what NATO is all about All for one one for all yes officially enacted only one after nine eleven when the United States was attacked but article. Five is what has kept the world safe for seventy two years now so I think it would be mistaken. To think of. This is something that has never been used and then it was once used and now you know who knows this construct. This is at the heart of the of the alliance has kept originally just western Europe and now all of Europe so in other words this is including by the way not let's just Europe but also North America safe. We managed to face down a major adversary and the Soviet Union. We managed to come through the confusing years of the post. Worrell world we've Defeated you know. All sorts of terrorist organizations acting together gather so this continues to be at the heart of the organization now. Do I believe whether this is still whether this Still functions will it functions Fox's from our perspective for sure so I'm happy to say that from our perspective Article Five continues to be ironclad. We're confident that the same is true. Who for all other allies notwithstanding all the difference so pinon which by the way are natural will always remain with us I think when people look at the way again we we act when people look at the way. WE HAVE PO shirt. Our forces there are allied forces in Estonia for instance as we speak today serving side by side with our forces in Estonia so there are a clear demonstration that are allied aircraft military aircraft. Patrolling our airspace as we speak today not as stimulant Kroft. Allied aircraft. So Again I think when people look at the the construct that we have in place It remains credible. That's it's not to say that it doesn't need An haunting we think it does Don't get me wrong. I'm not for just you know sitting and being happy and congratulate graduating ourselves on what would you enhance it I'll come back to in second and but but I also want to mention that secondly Oh of course of course public disagreements that get out of hand you know Allies publicly criticizing housing. Each other is not good and we should get beyond that no matter what the topic I mean there are legitimate. Disagreements always will be but we need to get beyond on them as fast as we possibly can find. We miss as fast as we possibly get to. What should NATO dual wall? I really mentioned the new areas for instance you know the cyberspace. We've been talking Taber for a few years. Now is very important obviously. Space is an emerging topic But also the traditional areas areas of just building up defenses and Europe North America. Next year. By the way we'll be there will be a major exercise American exercise defender Twenty twenty that for the first time after the end of the Cold War will test the The constant of strategic reinforcement of Europe. Where forsees he's enlarge? Number from Continental United States will deploy to Europe and then undertake exercises with Europeans. And you these sorts of things don't necessarily make news on a daily basis but this has to be the routine that we undertake. So it's planning it's excising. It's forced poacher. The number of American forces in Europe Europe has been on the increase of this number of European forces is on the increase as well because of the increasing defense investments. And that's what we need to do where we cannot afford. Would to just be satisfied with what has been achieved in the past few years when collective defense has become the the norm again More needs is to happen because the challenges are real. They're not political. They're not they're not made up by those who want to use these things as a as political talking points the challenges are real. The world is a dangerous place and this system of governments of ours the way we've organized organized our societies as democracies we are in a minority And we need to defend this You know System governance our way of life And that's becoming more challenging. As deep knowledge is changing the way we get. Our News is changing. A lot of things are changing changing. this is no time for internal division in our opinion. Yeah absolutely what I was going to jump in on a little bit go was essentially summing up from a layman's point of view. What you're saying is we don't we shouldn't look at article? Five is something that's been as you you said enacted one time but something it's actually ineffective every single day and has been every single day for the last seventy years and that's what keeps NATO prominent and and productive in need. It's the same as in you. Know what with the military in general You don't want to use the military in an actual shoul active operation in war at more often you use your military to sustain peace That's tornadoes only does it collectedly with the military's but also the Political Paula of all of the world's Major democracies combined that has kept peace in our part of The world for seven decades now and that by the way was one of the reasons why it was decided that the meeting of the leaders meeting had to be held in London because that was the original home for NATO headquarters and this Past spring on the exact the actual date of the birthday of the alliance There was a foreign ministers meeting here in Washington Washington. DC and that was because the Treaty of which Article Five that we discussed in part of the treaty that founding NATO The treaty that still guides this organization Shen is called The Washington Treaty was signed. Hit right here in Washington DC. Well as always. It's a very enlightening thing to sit down and talk with you extensively about Matters of NATO in Estonia and the US relationship and all all of the nuances that make it all up Before we wrap up today Just one other question about where NATO where Estonia is going right now. Where do you see Estonia headed and How do you Assess How it's getting there well? We're headed to the future. As is everybody else we think the future is going to be digital. We have created What we think is the first and probably still the only truly digital government on in the world were the majority of interactions between the citizens and the government take place online where we do our taxes online and just a few minutes a we even vote wrote online so I think the world is? You always have to rub that in. We're we we can't do that and plus I should also add that. We don't know how to do that here. Almost nobody in Estonia almost never has to stand in line at the DMV because everything is digital everything is digital so we think you only have one and I do you need to keep up with. That's your one ID Live I know we get to have smaller wallets and stuff and and so. I think that's the future. Now that's not I think we're only scratching the surface of what technological change Will bring us. There will be major benefits for us as human beings functioning democratic society but there will also be major major challenges that we need you to openly discuss and And deal with and nothing is going to be easy when it comes to the revolution. That's taking place these days and and again as a country that does use a digital services on a daily basis. We are absolutely convinced that none of the challenges of the future It can be solved by anyone. Nation State alone certainly not by a small nation. State like US neither by a big one like The United States these challenges oranges are bigger than anyone nation state. So if we're interested in in sustaining our way of life. If in the age of technological revolution then the nations that share a common understanding golf what democracy is a half to work together and have have to work together more closely perhaps than we have Done so in the past and this is again an area where we're trying to not only be the messengers passengers but who also tried to be If you will leaders Both in our bilateral relations with other allies but also within organizations like NATO Basseterre Thanks for sharing that with Estonia's embassador to the US. Jonathan Disavow. Thank you thank you. That's it for this episode of target. USA coming up in our next program anytime. There's an impeachment proceeding going on in the Congress to remove a president. It consumes a lot of time and energy van voice belongs to the man who was the very first homeland security secretary for or the trump administration for almost one working day. His name is Jay Johnson. He was better known as the Homeland Security Secretary. For President Barack Obama among and he suggests the impeachment proceedings under way have taken a far worse toll on the US and we might imagine because of its divisive of nature and my primary concern about the current debate where certain people are trying to create doubt about whether it was the Russians versus the Ukrainians sends the signal to Vladimir Putin and the Russian government. Hey we're not so sure you you were the ones responsible for this. You know. We're getting a a muddled picture. You had one member of the United States Senate a couple of weeks ago. Say I don't no the toll impeachment is taking on. US national security coming up on our next episode of Target USA in the meantime time. Thank you for listening. 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Mark Cuban: No Buybacks; Bailing Out Boeing; Staying Safe

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31:33 min | 1 year ago

Mark Cuban: No Buybacks; Bailing Out Boeing; Staying Safe

"No one likes to feel stuck boxed in or held back especially by your cloud. It's a problem but the IBM cloud is different. It's the most open insecure public cloud for business. It can manage all your apps and data anywhere across all your clouds so it can help take on anything from re booking flights on the fly to restocking shelves on demand. Without getting in your way. Smart loves problems. Ibm Let's put smart to work. Visit IBKR DOT com slash flexible to learn more this squad. I'm CNBC producer. Katie Kramer Today on our podcast airline seeking over fifty billion and government assistance three times the size of their bailouts after nine eleven aerospace analyst. Seth Catholic. This is an industry that thought it had put itself in a position to get through absolutely anything. And you know it will probably wasn't a position to absolute he takes up this mark. Cuban says the US government has taken risk out of the equation but bailouts are needed for workers. When you're really blessed like I am the value of one. Marginal dollar becomes middle. It's not just about how much more money I can make. But what types of impact and I have the latest on staying safe with Dr Scott Gottlieb former FDA chief we're certainly having an impact on this scoping In the contours of the epidemic. It's Wednesday march. Eighteenth Twenty twenty squad. Pod Begins Right now becky by three gene. Good morning everybody. Welcome to Squawk box here on. Cnbc WE are coming to you. Live from all over the place today. I'm becky quick along with Andrew Ross Sorkin and Joe Kernan and again we are making sure we continue to broadcast to you through this pandemic that we're watching at this point. I up on today's pod the US government's plan for economic stimulus. The Federal Reserve has announced measures. That it's taking. We've discussed that here on. Squawk POD now the US Treasury Secretary Steven mnuchin has pitched a one trillion dollar package to Senate Republicans now. This plan includes sending Americans checks to help. Households and businesses stay afloat. The trump administration has backed but other Republicans are split. Here's Andrew ultimately what's going to happen is you're already seeing the Elizabeth warrens and others say we're going to give money. We need to clamp down in executive compensation we have these stipulations these stipulations. Frankly what needs to happen and I think from chronically and the two thousand eight crisis and every other crisis is you just need massive stimulus. You actually don't want strings attached because you want as many people that take the stimulus as humanly possible. Which is antithetical. Yes you're right politically where where you typically base to happen Andrew. You want this to happen as quickly as possible. But you probably want it to be more targeted you start thinking about how to handle that much money away and you know look at it needs to go to the people who have lost their jobs who have been put out of work from the small business owners who are in that position of already having laid them off. I. I saw a letter this morning from a guy. I'm hoping we're going to have on the show tomorrow He's a restaurant tour. He's based in Ohio but he's got restaurants I think in. What is it thirty? Seven restaurants fourteen states on Monday. He laid off four thousand employees. He's saying that it would basically take at least two weeks of revenue to get all those places back up and running because he has to bring and managers and staff ahead of time to get restaurants clean to get everything back up and running. I mean I don't need money you don't need money right now. Joe Doesn't need money right now. I'd like to see that money. Go to the people who need it. I talked to an accountant yesterday in New Jersey. Who says that? He's got about twenty clients that just this week have had to lay off fifty percent or more of their staff. He was talking about cancellations of business. That's been booked out of the next two months and no new business coming in. These are people like caterers. Limo service providers moving companies tree service providers. He said they're all dead in the water. And that's where the immediate incredible shock has come across this country and that's where the money needs to and we're definitely having different hats shifting around I saw. Afc yesterday yesterday said something. About wait. A second Boeing had thirty billion in buybacks over the last hour many years. Now we're talking about sixty billion dollar bailout for the industry and I found myself going. I mean that's I mean definitely. There's some some book political. Nobody was savings as being. I agree with that. I almost agree with that here. You blow all this money up at three and four hundred dollars a share joe suggest that ultimately whatever it is and I'm just going to suggest that whatever whatever stimulus program we're going to have is ultimately going to privatize the gains and socialized the losses. That's what happens in a crisis but when the crisis is over there needs to be a real discussion about financial responsibility in this country which we don't have in the best of times to actually have insurance policies in money on hand when these things happen. And that's that's the probably one hundred thousand people because she used to the crisis to change. The policy in the moment is too painful. The problem is that nobody is willing to use not to use the good times to change the policy. And we've had that to be no what's wrong with you. I agree with you. I agree with you but I think that we gotta look at all this. Espn stakeholder stuff that we went through and realize holy cow. We need prophets to do all these great things do. We need profits to share with our stakeholders. And if you if you blow all this money on some CEO's PET PROJECTS VIRTUE SIGNALING. And then you come to a time like this you realize wow shareholders really do need to have prophets share with took satisfy any other stakeholders you need to be profitable and not planning trees and Africa but we will be asking for tens of billions of dollars in government. Aid this coming as treasury secretary. Steve Mnuchin called this crisis worse than nine eleven for the airline industry. Joining us right now to talk about is Kaplan principal at Kaplan research. Good morning to you seth out. Let's talk about the need for these bailouts. What happens to these airlines? Greg suggested that unemployment in this country just on travel alone would go from three point five percent to six percent right that just the travel related job losses would would drive the overall rate up to up to six percent. This as everybody has said is worse than nine eleven in a lot of ways and we do have to sort of try to put ourselves back in that mindset. It's easy now to say well. The thing about nine eleven is that that awful first day was the worst day and then there was recovery. We know that we didn't know that when we were in the middle of that remarkable that these airlines you know nine eleven happened on a Tuesday by that Saturday. They were laying off tens of thousands of people. Seventy thousand jobs were gone within a few weeks this time. These giant airlines laid off anybody in terms of direct employees yet so that speaks to the position. They were in going into this thing but but but obviously window. What's what's the run rate. Keeps you to speak to the run rate in terms of employment costs if if the goal is to keep people employed to keep people on payrolls across the country and this is in all businesses but specifically in the airline business where we could just take a Delta or American Airlines as an example. What what isn't there people. Yes Sir pay people to do to do to stay at home to do nothing yes so for the US for US. Industry just trying to do quick bath. Delta was what is what does six billion dollar profit on forty billion in revenue. And and something. I mean it's it's up for the industry. I have sixty seventy eighty billion dollars or something to you know just paying salaries for you. Yeah I mean that's very very very bad but anyway it's it's not five billion five hundred billion. That's just you know very very roughly. Yes so so. That's you know that might be part of the grand bargain here and that might be part of why I mean. At some point Look People. Running Airlines have this fiduciary responsibility and everybody to save the company but in terms of why they are still paying people to do nothing that might be the leverage here because they know there are people out there saying you know. This industry earn tens of billions of dollars in profits. Last we're good at this becomes a question long-term if there is a targeted bailout. And this goes to whether you wanted to target a ballot or nationwide bail out if you do a target of ballot that the airline industry by default you're going to determine their common carriers. That's what's going to happen right. And therefore you're going to have to put some forms of other regulation on them. Forget about buybacks. It's GONNA be about building this remarkable insurance cushion over the years and it would change the entire dynamic an industry. I'm not suggesting that's the wrong thing to do. I just it's the political thing if this is the way if this is the path they're going to go down especially because I mean as as Greg was talking earlier. Rabbits impacts absolutely everybody. I mean this is the idea of too big to fail. The problem is that it's not a redistribution anymore. Right because everybody's in the same situation so if we're going to say that this industry is special even though you know the the guy at the Greek Deli in my neighborhood is you know is is feeling it just as badly than than than yeah you. It's reasonable save the and you've got the unions saying that of course Unions representing flight attendants pilots and others. That that should be tied to it and and so right today right now. Delta is worth something on the order of twenty twenty billion dollars. Does that make sense to you is that is that a bet that investors are going to be bailed out by taxpayers. Is that what's happening here? Yeah I mean I think yeah. I think that's that's baked in the I mean that's what's all the usual granular stuff. Obviously nobody can look at it now but no I think at this point. Four fifty billion or twenty five billion in grants and loans and and and. Yeah I mean I think at this point. That's the expectation that they said hang on. We got becky. Who's got a question for you becky. Hey if that's baked in how come you're looking at some of the airlines down by another ten percent this morning. My my guess is investors are thinking okay. The the industry may be mailed up. But we're not sure what that means for shareholders shareholders. Know exactly and and and you know you've heard this calls out there that For for shareholders to somehow get Get diluted by all this but but no exactly that's fair fair point that's two separate questions jobs and is they're still something called American Airlines versus. What does that mean for shareholders? And therefore the question. I'd ask you this if you're an investor out there today who actually owns these airline stocks. What are you supposed to think? Well there's opportunity to use you. Buy The stocks and bet. The government's GonNa save you and protect you and protect the shareholders and others might say you need to get rid of this immediately. Because they're going to private they're going to affectionately nationalize the airlines when everything's done and you're going to lose everything. Yeah I mean I you know trying to think of baby bath water with allergies. I don't think I I think. The industry legitimately reformed itself enough. That you that you know that that's probably not not what's going to happen here. But but yeah I mean obviously if you are still holding shares of these airlines. That's your bet that the industry is not going to be nationalized or something like that that that this is going to be the banks just like you know what happened there with the with the ratios and everything that this is an industry that thought it had put itself in a position to get through absolutely anything and you know and it will probably wasn't a position to get through absolute anything except this right and and so. That's that's better I think. If you're holding these now is that. Yeah it's going to look different But but but but they're not gonNA put the equities obviously wiped out a chef. Thank you as always and Stay safe meantime. Nba team owners. Were some of the first people to pledge support for their arena workers as the corona virus hit US shores now Dallas Mavericks owner mark. Cuban says companies are bailed out all employees should have the chance to benefit from apostle turn around in the form of stock compensation mark. Cuban joins us now on the phone. Good morning to you mark. Good morning we've been through these bailouts before and there have been a lot of political fingerpointing afterwards. You have a thought about how this should be done. Yeah we already know what's going to happen. You know a year after this you know plays out and it will We'll look back and say why don't we consider the workers they everyday hourly worker The people making minimum wage. Why don't we reward them as well and so let's get ahead of it and whatever we do in a bail out. Make sure that every worker Get compensated and is treated equally and that the executives don't get rewarded extra stick around because they got nowhere else to go. You know the government's taking the risk out of the equation. Let's treat all workers equally. So but how would we do that? Because one of the things that look there's going to be all sorts of stimulus plans bailouts and the like and one of these WanNa do is get that money into the system as quickly as possible. You don't want people not to take the money and so the more strings that you attached to it and I'm not suggesting you don't but the more that you do the more likely it is that certain people may hold back and so I'm trying to figure out how to how to capture that balance. Okay two different things one getting money into the system as a function of the Fed. And they're obviously taking those steps right now too is when there's a bail out when those bailout in The government comes in and offers assistance to an organization Y. Public Company in particular whether it's an airline. Whatever it may be there there are most likely going to be steps taken by the company and historically this is what has taken place where they reward the executives and then re price their options they give them more stock they give them warrant they give them options whatever. It may be whatever it is that a company does for their executive they should be required to proportionally. Do the same thing for everyone else that works for the company period end of story. Part one part two no buybacks not now not a year from now not twenty years from now not ever 'cause affectively. You're spending taxpayer money to buy back stock and to me. That's just just the wrong way to do that. Do you think that we're going to have a national bailout for for companies across the board? Do you think we should? We should look to airlines or other specific industries for help that we should be helping. How would you approach it I think we have to. I mean look. This is cascading. And it's getting worse by the minute. The number of layoffs is just skyrocketing and so if if if I walked in the door first thing I would do is prioritize and I would create effectively and. This isn't the right word but effectively. Create two buckets budget number one and we have to do with these things in parallel bucket. Number one is how do you? How do you help? Companies of all sizes to keep paying their employees and not. Lay them off or fire because we want to keep people employed even if it's make good work even if this is the Tennessee Valley Authority all over again and we're just Subsidizing companies to keep their employees on the payroll and finding things for them to do because keeping them in the payroll will pay off more in terms minimizing tax payer requirements than releasing them. Fire them laying them off and then having to go find jobs in the future. So that's bucket number one. Do all you can keep people employed bucket number two. We've always seen significant layoffs. There are people who are already unemployed. That's where we might consider helping people whereas if you're going onto unemployment or any type of government on federal government assistance then maybe we pay them a bonus and that's the not a good word for this but give them check for the thousand dollars to help them get through the immediate need Because they've just been laid off or they don't have a job and that helps people get through these problems times but they should be just two very distinct buckets but the priority has got to be working to keep Working to help people stay employed. I actually don't like the idea of just giving everybody a thousand dollar check because for a lot of small businesses you know if they know that their employees are going to get a check in that. Business is struggling. They may say you know what I'M GONNA release. I'm GONNA lay off or fire them because I know they have a backstop but some sort and when this is hopefully all over in three or four months like people are predicting we'll we'll figure it out then that creates a far greater stress on the system. So I really think that the priority needs to be one keep people employed and to those who have lost their job. You know. We've seen the entertainment industry. We've seen the hospitality industry the the airline industry the transportation industries all decimated and where there have been layoffs. I don't have a problem with those people as they get onto federal assistance giving them a check upfront to help support them and the economy. But we've got to deal with both and I think the priority needs to be on helping people keep their jobs okay Mark. Hang on for a second. We could joe into the conversation. Joe You there sure. Hey Joe Hey mark how are you I you know? Nobody likes any of this stuff but all bets are off aren't they? I mean these are anytime we think you know. We don't want to do this moral the I mean. Do we really do. We need to talk about moral hazard when you're talking about a deadly virus. I I don't know it seems like any other time. I understand but I agree. Joe Perfection is the enemy of progress. You know in normal times you WanNa look at all the distribution of outcomes and try to do the best thing that helps the most number of people but this is. This is a new world literally. This is this is the new normal and we have to just look at. What's in front of us and deal with it You know and yes. There's going to be people. Who Scam the system. But you can't hurt. You hurt the people who need it and risked arrest supporting the economy and and the tragic things that can happen there. Because you're trying to avoid some people scamming the system but you do bring up a good point in terms of moral hazard what we can do is increase penalties. And so like you know when we went through the financial crisis you know people talk about how no one went to jail. Well as part of all of this you know whether it's a bailout whether it's a thousand dollar check For those who have lost their jobs we should add if you try to scam the system in any way shape or form. There is jail as your penalty because we wanted to introduce a moral hazard. I'm GonNa talking about something ridiculously draconian but still there. There should be something. It shouldn't be a civil issue. It should be fully a criminal issue and everybody should know that going in and mark. I I I just if we have to decide. What kind of snapback we're GONNA get when we do get through this and I pray that it sooner rather than later. How are you going to be sit on the side? I mean did you. Did you appreciate it enough when you're sitting there? What I'm Joan draft kings. I'm like I'm going to bet on each sports but I don't think he can do that either but I mean but missing the fun that's GonNa snap back. You know we all we all use sports as a way to celebrate the way to get excited to way to come together. throws a parade when apple or Google. We'll have the most amazing quarter they've ever had but when the team wins the championship they throw a parade and so hopefully we'll have the Olympics and we'll be able to come together as a country around our team are you know the US Olympic team and that'll be great for us. We'll all get out out of the House while all celebrate together hopefully when the NBA NHL Major League Soccer Major League Baseball Football all start to really happen again. All get excited about our teams and as communities will come together. Sports will be a vital mechanism for bringing people back together when this happens. And so yeah. I'm excited for that. But in reality basketball is the last thing on my mind right now but I will say that we're using the mavericks to try to do as much as we can to keep. People energized engage while everybody stuck home. Hey Mark I. Hey Market's GonNa talk to you. I I saw your reaction. I think we all did the cameras. Were on you when you're on the sidelines of the game to find out that the NBA was shutting things. Down your reaction. I think at that point was something like are you kidding me or something along those lines. Maybe changed your tune really quickly. What what kind of walk us through your emotional You know the hill time on the other side. Yeah I mean we had considered all the potential options the mavs management and and really it would really a knighted. My response was prior to the game. I met with the players and one of the players that what are the chances. The season gets this show Suspended or postponed and I said five ten percents most and considered it. But I really didn't consider it likely. Based on the information we had at that time and then when it came across that rudy go bare at been sick that one game has been canceled into season cancelled it. I was just stunned and you know then my mind started thinking. You know the entrepreneur. He took over. Okay what are the elements that are that? I need to consider going forward you know. What am I responsible? Who's going to be helped? You know what are the opportunities and who's going to get hurt and this was so drastic and so outside the realm of anything. I really considered likely that's when I started thinking about okay. Who's going to get hurt? The most and what can I do? And and how? Can we make sure that every everybody lands on their feet? Because you know let me just say that you know when when you really blessed like I am. The value of one marginal dollar becomes minimal. And so I've gotten to the point in my life where it's not just about how much more I can make. But what else? What other types of impact and I have and and so that literally was the one that first thing that crossed my mind. What can I do to try to help people and try to make it better and starting with the mavs employees arena employees? That was my focus. And so you know that that's so when I did that interview. That's what I was thinking about. And then obviously my family and my mom is eighty. Two and other people like what what happens next because it was a complete uncertainty. Then you invest in the markets Yes what do you thinking what would you do? You know I've been putting in you know one one and a half percent to work on every down day By mostly espy wise and dipping. My toes I bought a little live nation. I actually sold some puts And sold some calls on some things I had because just the premiums are just incredible. I mean it's stunning. The premiums that are in place right now but it looks like we're starting to get into a training trading range. You know a five percent down. Five percent up five percent down five percent. And I'm not quite sure why. And I'm not quite sure. If the Quanta kickback in yet and feel like they have good data to start making a lot of trades. And so you know I. It felt like for a while. We had active management doing all the work and try to figure things out and now over the last three days. It feels like we're starting to get more rhythmic trading coming into the market and now today based off of the you know being up yesterday and being down about the same today it looks like we may be starting to fall into a range so you know I'll act accordingly but it's just every day this is just like how much information can you acquire and what was coming along. And how does that change things? So I'm like everybody else okay. I'll get my toe in the water hoping that two years from now. You know this all be a nightmare that we put behind us. And the market will be much higher Let's hope you're right mark Cuban Thank you so very much. Please say stay healthy and keep working. I mean it. It's it's good. It gives us all sense of normality when we're stuck at home and we get to turn the squawk box on CNBC all all day long for that matter. Pillow better thank you. Very much really pervaded coming up on. Squawk pod more ways to curb the spread of Corona Virus Dr Scott Gottlieb squawk regular and former head of the FDA. You hear from him a lot suggests there could be more to come. Do we require people to wear not in ninety five mask which are in short supply but procedure mask if we know there's asymmetric spreader Marley medic young people training environment. We'll be right back. No one likes to feel stuck boxton or held back especially by your cloud. It's a problem but the IBM cloud is different. It's the most open insecure public cloud for business. 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Fda Commissioner of course and serves on the boards of Pfizer and alumina and we are always grateful to have his expertise with us. Good morning to you Dr. Let's talk about flattening the curve for a second because there have been lots of steps that have now been taken over the past several days across this country and in this state and city where we are right now in New York and as people are trying to look at the time line of what this May or may not be the present of course mentioned July and August. Recently investors are trying to figure out what this time line looks like. Of course the time I gets extended out the better. We do in terms of flat curve to some degree what are you. What are you seeing in? Terms of estimates in how that flattening is changing or is it. Thanks for having me this morning. We're certainly having an impact on the scoping epidemic in the contours of this epidemic. And how how? Many cases we're going to get at the peak and how long it's GonNa last the steps. We've taken the last two weeks very aggressive. I think I'm heartened by what. The mayors and the governors have been willing to do. These are strong actions. I think the president's references probably to the analysis that's that's circulating in Washington and the White House. It shows US peaking out late. April early. May remember if you peak and in April in the end of April seven weeks from now. You still continue to accrue cases for another seven weeks. That's just the peak. It comes down so that analysis would show this epidemic continuing course into late June. And that that gets you into July so I think that might have been what he was referring to. I'm not sure on that peak issue though. So let's say we're in late. April early May situation gets extended out through the end of June. And maybe that's the way businesses should think about this investor should think about it if that's the case though the social distancing steps and everything else that we're taking today in your mind they need to last through the end of June. I mean I'm trying to understand. People look at the peak and because people look at what took place in China and elsewhere and after it started to peak out his you know at least in China some people started to go back to work and starting start to see an increase of business again. Is that the right way to think about it or not so much. I think it's going to be very hard to take foot off the brake if we're still accruing cases And that's why I think a lot of school closures are going to be in perpetuity. Probably the school year is lost for these districts where there is community transmission Because you don't want to lift the restrictions too quickly and then have another resurgence in cases. But you can you can lift them. And then put in place other measures and so for example you know one of the things we might contemplate is do. We require people to wear not n ninety five masks which are in short supply but procedure mask. If we know there's as symptomatic spreader mildly symptomatic young people spreading this virus. The procedure masks aren't in short supply. it's ninety five mask so that the health care workers need so there might be other things. We can substitute in That could provide some protection as as transmission. Slow down and the risk isn't as great doctor in terms of we've been talking you literally daily and try to understand the progress that's being made one way or the other if you look at. What's taking place in Italy? The numbers continue to ramp. How much should the United States take away from that experience relative to the experience of South Korea? I think one of the other things investors. And frankly policymakers are trying to do is look at these different models and it's very hard to ascertain why certain things are happening in certain regions. Well I think what? South Korea did was very aggressive testing right at the outset. And and Make an effort to contain isolate people They tested one in two hundred people in South Korea and they even tested. You know young people right right now in the US even though we have more testing capability in terms of platforms. We're still not able to test everyone. Certain people are being told to just stay home and assume you have corona virus. The problem with that is that. If you don't have a positive test result you probably less likely to self isolate and take it seriously. And you also can't enforce the quarantine without a positive test result most cases so testing people telling them they have it could be very helpful In Italy the there were a couple of things that went wrong number. One people showed up at the hospitals when they were sick and they spread the virus in hospital setting. It's an older. Population is higher smoking rates. For those reasons why Italy the background in Italy was more conducive to a bad outcome relative to what I experienced could be. We do the right things. Okay Dot. It's always good to speak with you and please stay safe out there. And I'm sure we'll be talking to you later this week and that Squawk pod for today. Thank you for listening. Squawk box is hosted by Joe. Kernan becky quick and Andrew. Ross sorkin together in spirit if keeping social distance please continue to tune in weekday mornings on. Cnbc at six am eastern to get the smartest takes and analysis from our TV. Show right into your ears. Subscribe to Squawk Pod. We're on Apple. Podcasts stitchers spotify. Wherever you are listening these days we are working so hard to be there so stick with us and we back here tomorrow clear. 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"From npr and wbz. I'm callum borders. And i'm tanya moseley. It's here now. It's day two in these second impeachment trial of former president. Donald trump house impeachment manager. Jamie raskin kick things off by laying out the case against him. Trump incited the january sixth attack and when his mob overran and occupied the senate an attack the house and assaulted law enforcement. He watched it on. Tv like a reality show. He reveled in it and he did nothing to help us as commander-in-chief instead he served as the insider in chief we're joined now by npr. Congressional correspondent kelsey snell for the latest and kelsey. We heard from representative raskin there. He pointed to trump's comments and tweets. What else did he and the rest of the prosecution say. I think it's really interesting that raskin actually told Parents and teachers who are watching today That they should watch with children because this is going to be a day full of videos that may be graphic and language. that may be graphic. we saw You know this isn't a an argument from democrats were. They are trying to tie the actions of the rioters and the common to the president directly together and build a case that president trump is not just a person on the street expressing political speech as The as his attorneys have said but that he is a person in power who is inciting violence and that speech is not protected by the constitution. the lead manager raskin said that if you're president of the united states you choose a side with your oath of office and if you break it. Then impeachment is the main form of recourse. Democrats also laid out an emotional case yesterday. They played a graphic video of The january six insurrection. I'm interspersing trump's speech with the actions of the rioters breaching the capital barricades assaulting police battering down congressional doors. How did senators react to this video. Did it really change the tone of the proceedings. It was an extremely emotional video and it was. It was something that you know. Some senators said they found difficult to watch and that you know this was. This is a moment that we're going to see repeated over and over as democrats don't want this to be an argument just about the process and about whether or not republicans view this as a constitutional trial. They want this to be about those reactions about the way that trump spoke and the way the rioters behaved and they really want like. I said to be connecting the dots there now. Republicans said it was very moving. But it didn't really sway anybody except for one person in terms of voting about the constitutionality of west of this trial. So we still have a majority of republicans who believe that the foundation of having a trial at all of trying president. Who's no longer in office. They say that is unconstitutional. And that is the basis on which they are entering. All of the arguments were willing to see if the next several days but as you said six. Republicans did join democrats to vote. The trial could move forward yesterday including louisiana. Senator bill cassidy who hadn't supported the trial before. Do you know or has. He said anything about why he changed his mind. Yeah cassidy put out a statement after his vote and said that simply. The democrats made a better argument that he thought that they were convincing. That this was a constitutional trial and he didn't feel the president's lawyers made as as good of a case Their side that it was unconstitutional. He did caution though in that statement that his vote on the constitutionality of the impeachment does not speak to how he will vote on conviction so he left. Open the possibility that this may be a constitutional trial but he may not in the end. Feel that it rises to a moment of convicting on impeachment. I mean he's not the only one. There's been a lot of criticism of trump's defense team. Republicans have openly panned a rambling speech by the defense lawyer. Trump himself is reportedly unhappy with him. How are they going to regroup. While they do have two days to regroup they have two days to kind of rethink their strategy. We did hear them say. We heard cascais in his presentation yesterday that they were already re-thinking things after seeing the video. The democrats put together so they have two days now or democrats will have the stage entirely to themselves where they will be able to set up these videos where they will have that moment of going into people's living rooms on live television and reminding them and the senators in the room who are hearing these arguments of the day and then there will be a break. There will be an overnight and then they will be able to argue fresh so that's something that republicans are expected to use to their advantage. That's npr congressional correspondent. Kelsey snell is always thank you so much. thank you for having me. Let's go now to california's bay area where a string of assaults against senior citizens has alarmed. People in oakland's chinatown a monday police announced they arrested a man who is now facing multiple charges. Video of one attack shows a ninety one year old man being violently pushed to the ground. A local prosecutor is investigating whether the assaults were racially motivated. Hate crimes against asian-americans have risen sharply during the coronavirus pandemic the stop. Asian american and pacific islander eight organization recorded one hundred and twenty six incidents involving victims between march and december the recent violence and lindsay. Chinatown follows several thefts in the neighborhood. Some business leaders are asking oakland police for assistance and for citizen patrols for more. We're joined by julie chang from member station k. Q. e. d. in san francisco and julie. The suspect now in custody is accused of assaulting multiple people in a single day. What do we know about him. Well we know that. The oakland police department arrested and charged the man involved in the incident earlier this week. He was charged with assault elder abuse and among other things What we don't know the motive so the motive hasn't been released yet and there have been other attacks right on elderly residents in the bay area. There was an eighty four year old time in killed just a couple of weeks ago. what do we know about this pattern of other assaults. The commonality between all the violent attack seems to be that they're seemingly unprovoked. We're not sure why these attacks are happening. But we do know that They're happening at a time. When anti asian sentiments are high you know ever since the start of the pandemic The other commonality that a lot of these attacks are getting captured on camera. You know there was one person. I spoke with an oakland. I asked him why he thinks. The two incidents have gotten such national attention. He said it reminded him of the george floyd video now. Of course we don't want to complete the two or three videos. You know in the george floyd video with the man getting killed by police officers. Who are supposed to protect them I think the commonality though is that the attacks on elderly asians is something that the asian american community has known about for a long time. Just like the black community has said time and again that members of their community are targeted by police. So people have to pay attention to them. The video component does seem significant. There's something that really seems to grip the public when when you see it with your own eyes Julian addition to the violent attacks. We've also seen some thefts. We've heard karl chan. Who is president of the oakland chinatown chamber of commerce calling for an increased police presence in the neighborhood. What are you hearing from the community. I mean is that in general what folks want. They want more police in the neighborhood. So we're seeing a division between two groups. The first group wants to theme more police presence and the their second group does not this. Interestingly this divide also seems to be generational the older asian american generations are like we need more police to deter crime but then we have like the younger generations who are arguing for community investment to disrupt criminal behavior. They want more restorative justice. Also interesting about this conversation to. Is that the group that doesn't want more. Police is essentially accusing the other group. That does of seeing the asian american community as a monolith. So it's like one. Asian group telling the other asian group were not all the fame and so more police doesn't necessarily equal to more safety for those particular individuals and for folks who feel that way we've seen some saying an alternative would be a form of citizen patrol or a neighborhood watch to start circulating in the streets. What's what's driving that. Is it mistrust of the police are just feeling that law enforcement is is to slow. You know it's the ladder. So i looked at several people in chinatown who've complained that ocd or the oakland police department is right by chinatown But any time that they call in a robbery or an attack police come hours later. You know there's also been a lot of conversations about chinatown feeling forgotten. And that's why we have a lot of these patrol group. The volunteer patrol groups forming But then there's also been discussions about whether or not the volunteer patrol. Groups are a good idea. there's going to be a few groups and that ultimately because it's the stomach races because of just the way people are fed up they're going to be profiling black people brown people for crimes that they didn't commit and we have seen law enforcement become a contentious issue among city officials as well right we've seen fingerpointing between mayor libby schaaf and some city council members over a proposal to cut twenty five million dollars from the oakland police budget. I was playing out. You know the people. I spoke with an oakland told me that police presence had decreased in chinatown long before discussions of defunct. Opd even started. And then when i spoke with carl chan he had told me that he just doesn't want to see politics getting involved. He just wants to look for solutions and ways to move forward so that we can help the chinatown community instead of politicians. Throwing blame each other. Those julie chang for member station k. Q. e. d. in san francisco. Julie thank you. Thanks for having me. We are now into the second day of former president. Trump's impeachment trial in the senate and it's widely expected that trump will be acquitted because most republicans will likely vote to acquit. Our next guest says. That's because those opposed to institutions have a strong grip on the gop and if that continues it could have dire consequences for our democracy. Professor william hall is a political scientist at the university of chicago. Harris school of public policy and co author of presidents populism and the crisis of democracy professor. How welcome good to be with you as you watch the impeachment trial. What are you listening for. In their language how they justify their votes and what this really tells us about the republican party. Well i think what we're seeing right. Now is a kind of widespread active faith by the republican party to continue to stand by trump. We've seen nobody expects the conviction to get the vote for conviction to get up to the requisite sixty seven and while much was said about the ten republicans in the house who voted with all of the democrats to impeach. Less was said about the fact that over one hundred ninety republicans voted against impeachment. That this very much remains a party. That's willing to stick with with trump and with the populist a claims and postures he assumed. Yeah and so i mentioned i. I mentioned your argument about the anti institutional hold on the republican party. Your argument is that this leaves only one major party. The democrats thinking critically about sustaining well-functioning institutions or creating or reforming new ones. What are the ramifications of this for our country the ramifications are really dire our democracy is on its heels that levels of faith in our institutions are low. We've seen administrative state that's hollowed out. The tremendous amount of work that needs to be done in order to rebuild and reconstitute our democratic institutions. And as long as we have a major party in the throes of populism and right wing populism then the other remaining party that isn't always going to have the right answers that is itself riven with cleavages. Tone doesn't have a party with a partner with which to work to set to work on. These challenges are just a little bit. I wanna parse that out just a just a bit you know the argument from republicans on this is that they are very much purists. I mean patriots. Even in the case of whether president trump and cited an insurrection. They're referencing the constitution directly. What do you say to that. Well i think there's both sides reference the institutions for their own shooting the constitution for their own kind of political purposes in a variety of ways. A thing to note here is that populism as scholars understand it is a profoundly anti-democratic force in our politics that because the language of populism is to say that everything is rigged. Everything is broken. Everything is stolen. That's the language that trump assumed throughout his presidency it justifies his emergence on the scene in two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen but the there isn't then turn constructive action. There isn't a turned to say. Okay things are broken now. Let's try to fix them instead. Effort is to continue to so outrage. So disaffection in undermined the independence and the and the operational functioning of our institutions and in that sense to the extent that those forces in our politics have taken hold of a major party it becomes incredibly difficult to do the hard work of reimagining the institutions breathing new life into our institutions that govern. Our public lives as you. You you alluded to earlier as you're saying that democratic's The democratic party doesn't have all the answers. What they're looking for is a a partnership. Do you have any concerns that a wing of the democratic party could also go in another direction of becoming more populist or anti 'institutionalised well i think we have examples of left-wing populism that we can point to in other countries particularly in latin america. There's a long history of left wing populism given the co little show coalition makeup of the democratic party. Likely to take hold here. At least now that there aren't anti-democratic small democratic strains of the coalition of the democratic party ways sort authoritarianism in grievance an anger and disaffection of taken hold of an important segment of the republican party. So i think it's less likely but i'll say again. The work of institution building is really hard work. And a polarized era. When you have one p- one party that simply not particularly interested in undertaking that work in good faith way. The chances of us doing you know undertaking the effort to needed to save. Our democracy are really undermined. President trump was able to gather such a following because of his criticism of the government parts of which he called the deep state. And a lot of americans. Don't feel like the government is functioning. Well for them. I mean you've sort of laid out a road map of what should be done. But what reforms do you think in the immediate need to happen. So in our book. That are at with terry Point to reimagine presidency and really reconstituting the powers of the presidency with an eye toward building a more effective government. A government that actually can speak in a meaningful way to the anger and grievance and disaffection that many many americans feel so what would that reimagine presidency look like has to do with decreasing the president's ability to politicize the administrative state rethinking the president's involvement in the legislative arena by giving the president a certain measure of agenda setting power their host a particular institutional forms. We got to get rid of the pardon. We lay these out in in the book but it really gets down to kind of re imagining the presidency and the role that the president plays in our system separated towers. Professor william howell is a political scientist at the university of chicago harris school of public policy. Thanks for this conversation. It was great to talk to you and now to me and more where tens of thousands of people are demonstrating across the country for a fifth day following a military takeover of the democratically elected government. Last week chan a is with the bbc's burmese service and joins us now from yang and yang protests. Like this are not common me in mar and yet large crowds are out in the street flying red balloons and wearing red. The color of on suit cheese party describe what the scene has been like in recent days. More people are coming out on the streets. Since last saturday i the protests actually started on social media by the regime cut off all the internet and also ben facebook and then after that the people here have no options but to take the trees. Because there's a growing campaign call a civil disobedience campaign. They're like all the government's tough to stop walking and to come out and join the protests so far it works all the major businesses even the private one the allow on this tough to join the protests and their main object is actually is to keep this movement alive in order to shut down the coupe government so the protesters also thinking about ways to abide confrontations with the security forces. Just yesterday we already that. The police use some forces against demonstrator in naypyidaw the capital city the administrative capital and also the mentally at the second largest city off the country which just details there. We've seen reports that There are pro military counter protesters as well and to your point. Police have been using water cannons and rubber bullets to disperse protesters. At least one woman was shot with live rounds during a protest in the capital. so are the protesters. You're encountering worried that the military could escalate this crackdown. Yes the allman with fit. The headshot is now in critical condition. And then she has five percent to survive so how family today make a press conference and then told media that she is now in her. Thomas it so demostrate is more coming out onto the streets are but their technique is like demonstrations. Happy hell in front of foreign embassy including juice and also is united nations office because it is safer for them and the notice of international diplomats the but today we don't see any sign of forces from the security forces and sonia. Then do we know anything about on shoe cheese whereabouts or or her condition. Because it's been a week now since the military seized power claiming election fraud without evidence and arrested. The country's democratically elected leaders just as a new session of parliament was set to begin. So you're describing these scenes of protesters coming out in support of amazon suci. Do they have any information about her. We understand that She s trying to get the lawyer and the mid lawyer himself ethically didn't feel chance to meet her. But we understand that She is now under house arrest. How party members close to hard residents the announced that she is in good health and then it got spirit but we cannot hear any direct message from her so still some missing information and access their yang chen. A burmese service is in young. The thanks so much for bringing us the latest support for here and now and the following message come from sudi. Why spent months coating when you can build powerful customized applications in days zuhdi offers an affordable solution to build apps for your business apps that integrate into all your current systems and data sources and you're zuhdi subscription always includes unlimited apps and unlimited users learn more at zoom dot com. My name is peter. Segal and i'm here to interrupt your very serious. Npr podcast to tell you about another npr podcast. Mainly mind what we don't tell me chances. Are that right now. You're enjoying an earnest serious treatment of some serious topic in the news or perhaps history science. That's great really well. That's not what we do because people cannot live on sirius alone. Listen now the wait wait. Don't tell me podcast from npr. The biden administration is considering a mandate that requires all domestic air travelers to present a negative corona virus test before boarding a flight. Here's transportation secretary. P buddha judge speaking to axios on. Hbo well there's an active conversation with cdc. right now. what i can tell you. Is this going to be guided by data by science by medicine by the input of the people who are actually going to have to Carry this out in. The white house is is actually already getting to that input delta ceo. Ed bastion told cnn that this is a horrible idea and take tests away from sick people. Incidents of spread aboard any of our planes is absolutely minimal. In fact the very very few documented cases globally not just domestically. Let's bring in here and out transportation analysts. Seth kaplan to talk more about this in your reaction to delta. Ceo does does he actually have a point here. Well he's sort of two different points there right. The one about as you mentioned taking tests away from sick people and then the what he says is minimal spread on airplanes taking that first point i Look if the cdc says we should do this then you have the health. Authorities presumably having taken into account the availability of tests and deciding that this is good for the public overall. And i'm not sure that delta would be better position in the cdc to decide that in terms of spread on airplanes. He's right that there have been very few documented cases. Keep in mind. Tanya not every case and in fact many cases you don't know where they came from but sort of two issues with travel. I is it really spreading very much on airplanes. No strong evidence that it is second just the movement of people around the world. Which of course has helped spread the virus. Well if the biden administration actually goes through with this what will it mean for airlines in the broader travel industry from a logistical and financial standpoint. Well you have the direct cost of it. And i'm sure airlines would see this. As essentially an unfunded mandate right they would say okay. Who's gonna pay for this. And and that very well might end up getting covered a by an aid package but beyond that you have the impact on travel demand right. Would this discourage people from travelling and would it. Just make it more of a hassle to travel. So i i'm sure when delta and others who who feel that way talk about their concerns that's part of what they're taking into account there they just basically feel. Hey lights already hard enough for us something else. Delta is is the only us airlines still blocking most middle seats on its flights to the other airlines. Really have no choice but to book middle seats. Have they found it. It doesn't actually matter much in terms of virus spread well economically. They've found that. Look the people who are traveling or probably the people who are least risk averse and the people who would be most concerned about sitting in the middle seat or about sitting next to somebody who's in a middle seat without even that little bit of separation are likely the people who just aren't travelling anyway so it's it's certainly a calculation although the stance they take publicly is look the with a middle seat eighteen inches. That's not six feet anyway. That's not true social distancing anyway. So they say it's basically a pr move united. in fact i've said that directly and not something that actually prevents the spread of the virus. A lot to watch for and what the biden administration will do this consideration. That's here now. Transportation analysts at kaplan. Always thank you. There's a lot happening in georgia today. Prosecutors there have opened a criminal investigation into former president. Trump's to overturn the state's election results and republican lawmakers recently unveiled a number of bills. That would make it harder to vote. These efforts come after record turnout in the state during the presidential election and senate runoff for senate runoffs policy broadcasting's stephen fowler joins us now with the latest stephen. Let's start with this criminal investigation into attempts to influence the Administration of the two thousand twenty election this specifically relates to the phone call former president. Trump may to secretary of state brat. Raskin's burger on january second. He urged him to overturn the election. Results according to ravensburger. What can you tell us about this investigation right. So the letters from the fulton county district attorney's office mentioned that there is an investigation. That's been opened. It doesn't mention trump by name but does mentioned attempts to influence the administration of the twenty twenty election. Letters went to secretary of state. Brad ravensburger governor brian. Kemp lieutenant governor jeff dunkin attorney general chris car all of them have had different interactions with the president and the various false claims of election. Fraud what we do know is that this is a criminal investigation into the activities around the election and is not necessarily limited to the president but expect that to be a big focus. Oh yeah okay. We'll be following that for sure. Then there is this republican effort to change voting laws several lawmakers there have filed bills regarding boating access. Tell us more about those measures. Well it's really been everything from trying to get rid of. no excuse. Absentee voting to getting rid of secure boxes that allow people to drop off their ballots without worrying about the postal service or the coronavirus pandemic to adding photo. Id requirements to voting by mail and the the republican lawmakers say this was necessary because the twenty twenty election was a disaster but republican secretary of state said. Actually that's not the case and since republicans control both chambers of the legislature. It's likely that we will see some of these things change but it remains clear. How much changes for example The speaker of the house has says he doesn't support getting rid of no excuse. Absentee voting secretary of state ravensburger. Who is a republican has assured people many times at the november election was one of the most secure and successful in recent history There was no widespread fraud or irregularities is the georgia republican party still trying to prove that there was absolutely there is a section of the party including party leadership that says that it was not safe wasn't secure and there was fraud that rob president trump victories despite republicans winning pretty much every other down ballot. Race that stephen fowler political reporter for georgia public broadcasting. We'll be following all of this with you. Thank you so much. Thank you well. The rollout has been slower than most would like but millions of americans have been able to get at least one dose of covid nineteen vaccine so now what public health officials say people who've been vaccinated should still take precautions like wearing masks and social distancing because vaccines aren't perfect and it may be possible to pass the corona virus to people who haven't had a shot yet. There were also concerns about more contagious variants spreading. And there's the idea that if you give people an inch they'll take a mile. Our next guest argues those kinds of warning. Messages may be oversimplified and has been writing about how to have nuanced conversations on navigating life post vaccine. Dr monica gandhi is an infectious disease specialist at the university of california san francisco. Dr gandhi welcome. Thank you for having me. You wrote recently the to motivate people to get vaccinated. We need to message optimism. Not doom what do you mean by that. You know what. I mean by. That is that. I've been looking at ads in europe and the show older people saying i get vaccinated so i can see my grandchild or i get vaccinated so i can gather with my friends and we are sort of in general messaging a kind of non nuanced. I get vaccinated so that nothing changes. That actually isn't true. Of course things will change. After vaccination will change in a tiered way meaning vaccinated. People may have a set of recommendations that will be differ from unvaccinated if you vaccinated and unvaccinated person together. They'll be different but these kind of tiered recommendations the public can actually understand. We do it in hiv all the time and it could motivate vaccination instead of saying. Oh nothing's gonna change. Which isn't accurate. I see but from a practical standpoint. I get vaccinated are older americans. They're they're wondering things like you know kind of hug my grandchildren again. Or am i gonna be able to go to that wedding that has been planned for for next summer for folks. Who have these kinds of questions. What's your guidance. My guidance is used the principles of again of this nuanced tiered messaging. And think. Okay if your vaccinated. You're actually the one who safe. So the question of you hugging your grandchild is more around. Is there a very low chance that you could transmit to a grandchild. I think it's very very low. And every family is going to decide for themselves if they want that grandmother to mask before they hug their grandchild or if they want them to test before they come and visit their grandchild but older people gathering together who've been vaccinated is perfectly safe activity. And when you said give an inch take a mile. I really want to comment on that. Because our messaging especially in the united states around this entire pandemic has been one that has been a little distrustful of the public. I'm going to give you really simple instructions so you don't actually go outside of my instructions so stay at home. Even is kind of instruction that belies the need to work for essential workers or loneliness for single people so instead it's really okay to say if this then that vaccinated people together fine vaccine against unvaccinated. You decide how much the data on transmission concerns. You i personally am very very convinced. That by definition reducing symptomatic onus also gonna reduce. What's in your nose from. All this accumulating data but we can wait until that data is perfect and then a family will decide for themselves if they want the grandmother to testify before they hug the child and how about for the general population i mean. When do you think many of us will be able to gather with friends and family again and let let your guard down. It'll happen when we reach herd immunity. What does that mean. It means maybe seventy percent coverage we already have me be fifty to one hundred million people in the us have already been infected with covid. We've had thirty two million vaccinated of february seventh by the. I don't know how long it's gonna take the way the madeiran and pfizer vaccines are rolling out. It's very much slower than we'd hoped. And i'm really hoping that. The johnson and johnson vaccine will be added on february twenty six by the fda as yet another option so that we can get to herd immunity. Faster wind will happen fall or winter. Twenty twenty one depending on roll out. And that's the entire point. It will be normal. We will we will gather so we have to ask them. Dr gandhi have yourself joined the heard yet. Have you gotten the shot and if so are you going about your life any differently than before you were vaccinated so i am a healthcare worker. I gotten both doses of the vaccine. And i'm fourteen days post. My second does. So i am truly immune. Ninety five percent efficacy and one hundred percent efficacy against severe disease with these two amarna. Vaccines that we have in this country. My parents got their those first. Does yesterday they are going to have to have their second dose in four weeks and then ten to fourteen days after that they will travel. It will be to vaccinated people visiting one another so that feels really safe and we will be visiting without restrictions however i am not changing my behavior outside the home because there are many people who are unvaccinated. I want to be respectful. We don't wanna system where we don't know who's vaccinated who's unvaccinated and if there's this tiny chance i have that colonization i'm not gonna pass it so seven change anything outside the home but there are many healthcare workers who are meeting and sitting down together so great. Though to get that you'll be able to visit with your folks soon. Unmasks in in a more normal state. I can see now why you're feeling optimistic. In every share that little bit of sunshine with is dr. Monica gandhi is an infectious disease specialist at the university of california san francisco. Dr gandhi. thank you so much thank you. are you on clubhouse. The audio bay. Social networking app is less than a year old. But it's become one of the most downloaded apps in the apple store that could be. Thanks in part to a wave of celebrities and high profile. Venture capitalists who joined in promoted the platform which lets users livestream audio and set up interactive chat rooms that function either as stand ins for live in person events or just places to have spontaneous conversations. Last week elon. Musk dropped in on the good time. Show a late night show which is hosted on clubhouse. What can i say you know. Thank you so much. I a fun time or your first time when plows have fun. Yeah great this. Anthony didn't even know existed a week. It seems cool well. Npr arts editor. Nina gregory was an early adopter of clubhouse. And she's with us now to talk more about it. Hayna thank you okay. So i laid out a little of how this works. How you describe it. You know. I think for me. Tanya it's become the third space in pandemic you know the third space is not home or work for some people. It's the coffee house or could be a bar a park a place to hang out with friends and as the isolation of pandemic set in this came into my life right at a time where i really missed both the camry of of our newsroom and the casual encounters we we get to have so often as journalists and just as people and for me right now. That's that's kind of what quad house has served us. It's also become a place to figure out how to work through our new pandemic world right. Yeah you know. Last night i was in a room and musician named kristen. Leeann who is a viola player who also uses live feedback loops and all kinds of musical effects. Who was almost doing like a sound check for room so that we could tell her how a mix sounded. You know as somebody who works in audio. These are things i love to discuss. Let me give you a little sample of what it sounded like last night when she was playing. You know and that's not the only eight music that i'm finding on. Clubhouse is live performance but there are a lot of people from the music industry on the app. Another thing there is something called cotton club which is a weekly event where people can change their picture to a block and white image of their favorite jazz musician and come hang out and listen to. Dj's play music And every night. There's actually a room that a lot of people have started going into called the lullaby club. Where a musician named axel mansour hosts others and they play music to help people to nina. This all sounds so beautiful but we've also had a lot of discussions lately about social media platforms in the problem of misinformation spreading Extremist groups organizing online for example. Has there been any discussion on clubhouse about how this new platform is trying to avoid these kinds of problems. That's a great question. And i would say something. Like ninety percent of all conversations on clubhouse are about clubhouse and whether it's misinformation in rooms about vaccines cova d- you'll have physicians who come in and run sort of rooms. And i'm talking like people you know from harvard medical school however there are rooms where people can say things that are false that are misinformed and they go unchallenged but like being in a bar if people say crazy offensive things. There are tools on the app to mute and boot as they say too quiet someone or to throw them out or to escalate it but it is an ongoing problem in something that is going to continue to need careful attention yet. Does this initial success say anything more about the future of audio based apps out of silicon valley. I mean the verge actually reported this week. That mark cuban is planning to launch his own podcast app that allows host to quote talked to fans live and monetize their conversations. I mean that sounds a lot like clubhouse it does and people are learning tanya what we in our listeners have known for a time which is audio is the best medium to communicate intimate personal stories as well as to talk to one another and here one another. I think it's great. I think more competitors will make this ultimately a better experience for the user or or. I hope it will. Yeah i mean you said earlier that it's kind of the third place for you between work and home. Do you think that it's going to stay popular. Once people are able to return and mass to live events and public gatherings and work. You know i. That's the one hundred million dollar question with clubhouse. I think there are opportunities where people may be won't be able to travel places you know. I think internationally can help. People connect share information. But i think the quality of that information or the entertainment value will be the ultimate reason people come and the contents not their hand or not. They're not gonna come. That's npr arts editor. Nina gregory talking to us about be app clubhouse thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for inviting me. And here and now as production of npr wb. You are in association with the bbc. World service i'm tanya moseley and i'm cal abortions. It's here and now.

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July 9: Insecurity measures

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July 9: Insecurity measures

"This is a cbc podcast i'm trend of winter and i'm so i'm a little long welcome to chosen family every second week we talk about bart sexuality and identity with a special guests usually clear but not always i completely struggle coming out to my parents as a comedian being in the entertainment industry for middle eastern people is unhurt up affecting change requires people to shake it up listen to chosen family where ever you get your podcast what signer you by the way seminary of course i love it hello i'm robin bresnahan sitting in for carol off good evening i'm young the as it happens the podcast addition tonight in security measures politicians are promising action but one of the millions of customers who data was breached those assurances don't don't leave him reassured temper tantrum russian scientists announces his plan to edit human embryo dna to prevent definite but a canadian bio at the says that kind of genetic meddling should remain on heard of eviction notice italy italy 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stolen by disgruntled employee of the dishes are done financial group last month he launched a petition calling on auto out to take action to protect the victims and their social insurance numbers it rocked up tens of thousands of signatures in just a few you dave now mr language says he's heard enough from the federal government took closed a petition down we reach pr language in connect me mr long while you wrote a post on facebook today saying victory at last to what did you mean by that exactly well basically we were trying to get actions from the government to improve the social insurance number system that is used for identity because this one was week each an yesterday following the attention that we got from the petition that ring more than ninety three thousand signature we've got attention from mr sheer will call four they start in every meeting to discuss that so that's one achievements but you you you you definitely have the attention but do you have any kind of commitment because you're a petition calling for new social insurance numbers to be issued to the millions of victims the breach but the minister the federal minister said that not going to happen so how come you're abandoning that demand no i mean the the petition was requiring for an action that will address the threat that two point seven million people are facing due to the weakness of are social insurance numbers system for identity that could include replacing social insurance network it was not purely social insurance network replacement it was one of deep potential solution out of the ninety thousand people signed no one said that they just want to have new number what everybody said is that they want to be protected they don't want to feel abandoned and i'm sure that if the government comes which he solution that give them back their security that has been told them then they will not right ninety thousand petition they will be happy so you're basically saying that you want the government to be looking at those social insurance number system but like what happened to you and millions of others just by having a this information stolen that you are at risk of identity theft end for the rest of our life and there's no way they this could be corrected with actual system because the system is defective unsecure at the base so really giving you numbers replacement numbers doesn't change the fact that this new number is at the same risk then all these other ones so are are you thinking about something like a bio metric system or something that has more security exactly and this is what i said now people start talking about that end this exists in estonia this exists even in a country like india so that exist it just that there was no political i would just say interest or pressure to do so andy idea was really two things you'll put unity which is a sad opportunity that arise from what happened with this all day to raise these shoe and make the government's bake is responsibility because identity cannot v let to bag a financial institution identity is the responsibility of the government have you ever found out where your personal information i mean what what stolen from you name address birthdate social insurance number email address information about your transaction habits have you ever found out where that information went i would say it's barely impossible to find out because contraire leaflets say something by matrix he's nine digit numbers everything which is just information like that go across the word on the dark net at the speed of light and there's no way you can stop the distribution of it there's no way it's it's purely it's it's safe file that once you give it to one you can give it to one hundred can give it to a thousand you can give it the only thing i can tell you is that on my personal side i've been fraud three weeks ago on the rb envy i'm not sure if it was related they took to that and everything went well i figured that quite quickly with my credit cards but i'm receive also in this mess infringe coming from maryland telling that my dad called was locked and i need to a to log i i mean i really see much more fishing is it means owning since the since ever there is a criminal investigation underway and the the federal land the provincial privacy commissioners are investigating who you hold responsible for what you in the millions of other victims have experience here you're talking about who's responsible well that that's the problem there is are they is responsible because they gave access to dean formation in the social insurance number we address the birth date all that three marketing consultant or something like that how come that person to do in marketing meditation needs to have your social insurance network and so they are responsible for their efficiencies to ensuring the security of the debt but there's another responsibility which is the government which has been that thing eight on six your identity manner being the foundation of identity often avian what what is your biggest fear of how you're information could be used while the financial information formation in some aspect but the social insurance number is the worst thing that could happen because this could be used to buy a house this could be used to get the passport this could be used for everything everything in this never never expire it could happen in thirty years in forty years and my kids as been also affected npr only twenty years old and if nothing changed they will have to leave with that for the rest of their life well mr long white with good have you talked to his i wish you all the best and who knows maybe this will result in a change well if it doesn't mean they will hear back from us okay bye bye they do by pierre language is one of the days are day financial group customers to data was stolen by a disgruntled employee he was also author of a petition demanding that the government take action to protect him in the millions of other victims we reach mr language in quebec city this afternoon the house of commons public safety committee announced that it will be holding an emergency meeting about the dish are dam breach on monday ball before the the tea party railing against the washington elite long before president donald trump drain the the swamp campaign there is ross perot the folksy oddball texas billionaire made history in nineteen ninety two by running for president as an independent antiestablishment candid at the end getting almost twenty percent of the vote ross perot died today following a leukemia diagnosis he was eighty nine during his run for president against incumbent george h w bush and bill clinton mr parole made a virtue of his outsiders data here's what he sounded like on the campaign trail but i got a free zone brian fam brain we're clear on his but the data of his mental health was not his only pitch to voters he promised to tackle the country de conomic load by raising taxes and cutting spending in the the deficit that he bought blocks of tv time and explained his plans using a pile of chart than the pointer he called a buddhist dick here's ross perot again jersey presidential debate in october nineteen ninety two responding to a question about his qualifications really got a boy i don't have any experience been running up four trillion dollar debt i don't have any experience in gridlock government where nobody takes responsibility anything and everybody blames everybody else i don't have any experience in creating the worst public school system maybe industrialized world and most violent crime ridden society industrialized world but i do have a lot of experience and getting things done so we're at a point in history we won't stop talking about it do it i've got a lot of experience in figuring out how to solve problems making the solutions work and then moving all the next i've got a lot of experience not taking ten years dissolve a ten minute problem so it's time for action i think i have experienced if if there's more time for gridlock and talking fingerpointing on the wrong line ross perot speaking during the nineteen ninety two presidential debate he came in third as an independent candidate mr pro died today five months after a cancer diagnosis you with eighty nine a russian molecular biologist that he planned to edit human embryos regardless of the objections of international scientific community dennis rubber calls says he had found five coupled with genetic definite who wanna conceived children who can here so he's taking on v embryo editing project the fight the widespread backlash last year against the chinese scientists to announce he edited the genes of twin girls frets well baylor as a bio as i said to serve zona world health organization committee that developing standards for editing the human genome she teaches the dollhouse university in halifax then that's where we reached her professor bayless what can you tell us about this russian biologist well i think he's a person with excessive hubris and confidence somebody we might call a braggart he's he's wanting to do science that everybody pretty much says is irresponsible because it's too risky and his response has been and i'm quoting him now i think i'm crazy enough to do it what exactly does he want to do what he wants to do is to take human embryos in the lab and genetically modified them before they're transferred to a woman so the the child would be born would carry this genetic modification now i'm telling the story in kind of vague abstract terms because i don't think anybody's quite sure what modification is going to make and the reason for saying that is in june he said he was going to make a modification to the cdc are five g in order to provide immunity to hiv infection a month later he said he's going to modify a different gene this is the c j d to gene in order to provide protection from deafness so i don't know what he's really going to do he seems to be kind of shopping around a lot of ideas is he is he aided without any particular university or get it almost sounds like he's credible scientist he's a credible scientist at the university he says he's going to get be appropriate approvals before he moves forward but at the same time he seems to have this kind of cavalier approach that no matter what he's confident he can go forward and he could do this science and everybody's gonna be happy at the end what are you most concerned about when it comes to his plan to edit human embryos well i have a number of concerns several of them i think are shared third globally and these concerns about the science that really you're talking about modifying a human being at embryonic stage in a context where we don't know that the science is safe we don't know that it's effective the two classic examples people give a potential problems or something we call off target affects and that means a scientist goes in to try to make a change to the gene an inadvertently makes a different change and so then you could have a very serious problem are outcome another kind of problem is what you would call in on target effect where you actually got to modifying the right gene but it had other unintended consequences one might be 'em initiating cancer so i think what all the scientific community sang pretty much in one voices it's premature you don't know what you're doing can you help us understand why these couples would need gene editing to prevent their children from inheriting the definite well i think one of the interesting things in in that statement is the word need 'cause i don't actually think they need anything what they might want and the only reason i wanna be specific about that from the very beginning is i think we have a moral obligation as a society to respond to you if you need shelter if you need food if you need healthcare we should respond but if these are things that are in the category of once i don't have the same kind of moral obligation to respond you're want now be on that particular kind of deafness that he's targeting is this situation whereby if both parties in the couple has this mutation then all of their children will have the same mutation now what he's proposing to do to make modifications such the child would not be death what's interesting and controversial about this is that many people in the deaf community think that this is a misguided did perspective and that's because they don't see deafness as a disability they just see that as diversity as a different way of being in the world and they have a rich language and they have a rich community enrich way of living in that somehow how this is kind of calling into question any only wake i have a flourishing life is to be a part of the hearing majority if you knew that you were going to have a child who is going to be deaf and there might be a procedure seizure that could limit that or could change that wouldn't you be potentially excited about that no i'd be potentially worried that i could be introducing many things that are worse but bottom line is we don't know what a child willer will not bring into the world and of course we have a number of examples of children who appear to have limitations who make amazing contribution to have wonderful live and some of them are not all going to be stephen hawking but they just may make a massive difference within one family unit in terms of their understanding about what's important in life we certainly have that evidence from a number of families who have children with down syndrome who say that they have thoroughly enjoyed it wouldn't make any difference the situation they find themselves and and these are people who have chosen to have children with down syndrome even after they've had genetic testing that provides them with choices if you were saying the international scientific community has a major problem with this russian biologists plan to authority to actually stop stop him at this point in time it would only be the russian government and that's because we don't actually have any kind of you know international ethics court if you will in those cases we have to rely on the different jurisdictions diction to implement their own rules and regulations what is the russian government said about this at this point there hasn't been a response and so were not even a hundred percent sure what would be ethical end or legal hurdles he would have to overcome there are a number of international initiatives underway trying to address both ethics and the governance of this science in what i think is really at some level offensive have a single scientists say i don't care about what work is being done internationally i'm just gonna do what i think i can do professor it was good to talk to you today thank you thank you bye bye bye france well baylor says a professor of philosophy and bioethics but don't how university she wasn't halifax and we've got more on this story on our web page at cbc dot ca slash h without knowing it they were breathing in a potentially talk that gap now dozens of people staying at a super eight motel in what a peg have been taken to a hospital fifteen are in critical condition the average level of carbon monoxide in a home is point five to five parts per million above two hundred parts per million people start feeling sick and headache at the super eight emergency crews detected levels of carbon monoxide up to three hundred eighty five parts per million justin shackle at the motel the owner he spoke to reporters porter's earlier today this would never happen here before we we first were aware of the gas leak a maybe ten thirtyish hotel manager gave us a call and said that we have a gas leak that point you don't quite know how bigger small small the gas leak is claiming dot com i'm going through your head out of pain mariners tell joe this is the worst imaginable feeling like wilson there's some something like this happens you don't know the extent so we were again were just super happy the first responders are so helpful and they've been able to get here so quick and help us out here no no we we we had a fire inspection that justin shackle speaking about a carbon monoxide leak today at his super eight motel west don portage avenue when a pack that that dozens of people the hospital he well he had banks and he doesn't have the dander problem of not knowing what to do with his hand while he's dancing because he doesn't have any noball as a male cockatoo who became internet famous more than a decade ago for dancing to a backstreet boys song in an online video not long after that that he went from youtuber been patient a scientific marvel studied for his ability to bust a move and yesterday a group of researchers published a new paper saying noble appears to have taught himself no fewer than fourteen original original move on patel is professor in the department of psychology at tufts university and one of the co authors of the study we reached him in his office in boston professor patel how did you first discover snowballed special talent i saw him that seemed to music on video in two thousand eight and i've been studying human move to music hadn't seen any other cases of animals actually spontaneously moving to the beat of music something we see in every single human culture not even non human primates are close genetic relatives or dogs or cats are familiar animal companions and yet here it seemed like there was a species that could do this question was is this real of this is just a video on the internet so we didn't know if somebody was dancing off camera or if you could just been overlaid on top of the video so we wanna know is true that's an animal of sides of human could sense of beating complex music and move its body in time with a beat and so i contacted the owner i rena scholtz who owns the bird shelter where he lives i'm gonna be doing experiment because this is actually very interesting and thankfully she said yes so we did our first experiment unfounded he could do it and publish that first paper showing up extra there's another species that could do this so snowball with basically keeping in time to the music adjusting when the music sped up and slow down but then you had more questions after that so what what did you see kept to investigate after that after that first study his owner irene us noticed the teams making some new movements music when she passed with him and so we decided to try and study that properly because that was the second interesting parallel to humans when we dance we don't just bobber heads removing all kinds of complex ways and if this is true of him to this would suggest what he's doing is actually even richer than we had originally thought almost kind of cognitive act where he's choosing between complex auctions what he moves to music when you say he started doing new move can you describe those movies yeah so we're not paper we had a table cable a where we named these different moves and so we have things like the head banger he he throws his head back and forth up and down very vigorously we have the vote which was named after madonna where he moves the head from side to side of back and forth cross one of his feet that's been lifted me there and so it's it's quite astonishing but he has fourteen different moves none of which were ever trained he was never trained make specific movements to music and never given any kind of food reward for his behavior all emerge through social interaction with humans what music were you playing for first his first snowball when all this was happening so we feldon a dancing to songs a kind of hit through the nineteen eighties cindy lauper girls just wanna have fun at queens another one bites the best how unusual is this within the animal kingdom well he's not unique in the world there are other videos on the internet and we provide some links are papers other videos have parents moving to music but the first movement it's very unusual 'em outside of paris or humans in fact let's particularly striking to us is if we don't see this in other primates and so it's to us it's remarkable that this this convergence of this response to music occurs in us and in this very distantly related animal and i think it has something to teach us about the evolution of dancing in the course of human evolution the suggests the impulse to dance music is not just an arbitrary invention of human culture like you coffee cups or bicycles or you need the money other wonderful things we've invented a but it's in posted arises want certain cognitive enderle capacities come together in animals brain and pirates have that convergence and we have it but very few other animals probably this is not the end of the road when it comes to you research on snowball i understand that the billy idol is going to help you out talk to you next year next when you tell us about this yeah so were fascinated by the social aspect of snowballs balls movements music he 'em he doesn't do it for food reward or a he seems to do it for social bonding with his his his human owner and if you think about it social part of the huge piece of humans is well when we dance i mean people are all happy listen to music on their own devices these days but when it comes to dancing people don't typically put on music at home and dance by themselves they go out and seek partners in social situations and so this the social side is that important for him as well so we we've done it experiment where we have him hearing music either with nobody in the room just the camera or with somebody they're giving him attention encouragement for with somebody actually dancing with him and we wanna see if that context affects how much you dancers and how he dances and the soundtrack for that is billy idol dancing with myself one of the songs we used to we thought that was just too perfect not to use quebec studies professor mattel it was good to talk to you thank you very much thank you all right bye bye bye bye but tell us the professor in the department of psychology at tufts university and one of the co author of a new study on snowball the dancing cockatoo and we've got video of snowball doing his thing on other pages cbc dot ca slash h it was one italy the biggest center for migrants housing thousands and of asylum seekers but today italy's interior minister matteo salvini was on hand as the male migrants punter closed its doors most of its inhabitants of being moved weeks and months prior the closure is the latest move by mr salvini who leads the populist right wing league party to the migration to italy it comes hours after an italian cut the boat arrived in sicily carrying dozens of rescued migrants french i've got an auto as a politician with mr salvini league party she spoke to the bbc about the closure of the migrants hunter and the center has been closed because it was a very bad place to say the center was around the by my job people and there were a sex trade that inside the santa's even the weeds on the rage and a driver the trashy than the wall and we want to attract at forty two when he died of a quiet but it will be delta directionally in a and b africom a side because the people who have the rights to hide i must be transferred to you wrote in a secure way and not letting them be traffic by traffickers and local rondo is the mayor of palermo insistently which is where we reached him mr orlando we just heard franchesca do not so explain why the nailed migrant center needed to closed in your view was the right decision to closed at center to closure centers around the season of because this center and they're also hoping they are really pleased with his questionable topping that consensus close because they know people living there were these people coming to relive lloyd entities were not any opportunity wherever russia's been me to you're working to sign nor do they were formed in the hands of organized crime you had said the the boat says migrants will keep coming but we're well these people go now people well no no nothing dino's because of the people will arrive adjusted in each other they tied justice gave the guy just don't go away deforming hand organized crime i mean i think in this moment to be gummer users stopping american tradition conditional well the government is saying that the center had to be closed down because of the prostitution the drugs the fact that it was infiltrated by organized crime it is more fair to burst these people around europe then to keep them into a camp basically i go to the heat that sent because a lot of people living there one beings we won't let people being being seven what rise give you cpt being able to recall taurus lake north koreans on her right when you see these people needed to be treated like a human beings what do you think the government should be doing differently government says just to first of all phone just let the covenant of of the sheep to be able to reach safe harbor and not try to send this people who has been arrested in the police did it is not safe up the cycle is due to meet the males to african diminishes the bowtie making these people to just having and i think people should be who signed the concept of working then traditions but i mean this legislation mutually in europe as a sponsor burger industry groups were so you're saying that these people need to be able to get off the ships that the the the ship captain should not be arrested that they i have to be allowed to land in port in italy nb given residence permit however the government and end with a supportive talion people have really painted this as these people coming in replacing being a talion people with other workers what do you think first of all let's decide what justice starting point my starting point is demanding the are you must be myself have you mirage myself they've already migrants i like my brothers much this mother right by my uncle i think that we need to respect human icy potter's i'm fighting against the harsh way red orange and i'm proud of the way todos trump's which is about all that much i wasn't elected she political but do you agree with the government when they say the the migrants come in italy that they just cannot simply simply handle the number the sheer number and the resources that it would take that it is fair to the first these migrant throughout other countries in europe i call disagreed with a dominant because they play another game they played with other owners didn't will spread to dimensional conventional doesn't respect human rights of people for me migrants are a human beings in italy can handle all these migrants that are coming in i think he told me as a stall welcome everybody laughing at it bolted to be the superdome maybe no official auditors a multi just invisible just like low how in italy handle everybody as you say do you have the resources to do that good us we're speaking about that though if you wanna right i think that is another question first of all people coming just in the you need tele people come in europe but they walk their produce of course income they pay taxes and when you apply we need the people we need people because we are reducing the number of people leaving in europe we will reach and what we've got showers but but your position is it so at all with the government position rightly or wrongly but mr salvini in his party have really been able to galvanize so much support for the anti see immigration dan i mean do you fear blowback from italian i have no fear because fear producer violences i don't won't wherever to contaminated the ages but fear because fear okay mr orlando will have to leave it there thank you very much for your time thanks or somebody leah look orlando is an independent politician in the mayor that's hilarious we cannot be radical enough that was the message naturalist david attenborough delivered the british lawmakers earlier today mr ryan burrow with speaking to a uk parliament committee about how to addressed the climate emergency here's how much right and broke responded when asked about his government target to reach zero carbon emissions by twenty fifty that's just not the way focusing the problem becomes becomes cannot beat a radical enough in in with with those issues of racism the question is what is practically possible how committed you take electra with this in in dealing with these things because it costs money in the stick tubs i mean dealing with this book which means you're gonna change launched a meeting with the public good the cost internationally it's gonna cost money and so the question is how possibly rico is how false henry does the most encouraging thing is i see of course is the electors tomorrow or whether you're making themselves their voices but it now and i'm fat a is a it's also great comfort in ways but also of of of of justification unreality the these people young people now recognizing that will just wants to fusion i might impact you know the next decade i'm a head and and all of us here a case because we both we face the problems coming but in the public is another twenty thirty years of any major problems of the santa claus great social unrest on unpaid changes in the way we won't it won't be eaten dozens of so that's gonna miss attenborough went a step further when asked about the shift in public perception towards climate change suggesting in the near future polluting the planet may become more early reviled as slavery was a time in in the nineteenth century when it was perfectly acceptable for civilized human beings things just sink the jet was morally acceptable to actually own another human beings this life and somehow or another in the space of i suppose there's about twenty thirteen years this body miss is a lot of of the of the nineteenth century able becoming intolerable suppose suppose now there's a huge change in public perception and if you like in public perception of morality is m and i suspect we are right now in the beginning of a big change young people in particular of all the all the stimulus that's bringing about in which we help people out seventy beginning on members of the public understanding to chuck plastic in the ocean is an insult to to have the nerve to say this is out of operation and then will give you money and a few spots on your land incentivize and the father used is in some ways the young people see the muscles right that was so david attenborough speaking to british lawmakers earlier today about the need for swift and radical action on climate change too many dead people not enough treat what is the uk do doctor john ashton and has an idea he's a public health expert who thinks it's time to let go of the victorian concept of graveyard dead he won't have people remained buried a long road embankment and psychopath with a tree tomorrow the spot we reached john ashton in liverpool england doctor asking give us a sense of the scale of the problem here how crowded are cemeteries in the uk indeed towns and cities they some trees are running out of space the victorian oriental places and you have some of those in canada they built municipal cemetry in the middle of the nineteenth century because of the rocket grosses tiles on public health reasons because of their closest hygenic burial is so now most of in the uk suspected many of the countries in europe in the developed world all to to be full in the next five six years so we go problem now under your plan i mean would people be cremated or would you still see them bird cat scan along the road didn't brownfields i mean you know i i've been deliberating about some years but it was prompted by this news coming from washington state but they're gonna start composting goldies they found the technique composting says he dies so think of then you could be used as a coach for planting trees and plants they i don't think that's ever gonna be molded in each activity agreement burial generally involves outdoors burial in landscape and planting a tree in commemoration there's a drift away from caskets you know caskets themselves or biologically a problem all the stuff that goes along with all the just an environmental told a nuisance or contaminants unnamed bombing process itself is toxic salon a you know says i think the people turning away from the price now funerals well but people have a traditional burial in a judge sean because space is becoming so restricted price of funerals going through the roof so families are really wanting to find ways of having simple a funeral simplest terminated on my arguments is this if we do this outside of open space so lungs that may not be suitable for everything else can be brought back into greenspace this will reduce the cost loses well but as you know i mean i i understand then you're point of view that these cemetery they're becoming very full but they are beautiful if you think of highgate cemetery in in london 'em or cancel green i mean they they are just beautiful cemeteries where you can go have a peaceful moment i suppose you can't really do that along a motorway trying to commemorate now i think i think it depends on how you approach is the to london cemetry as you mentioned all through the seven so cool magnificent seven in london they came about as a result of the trees movements in the mid nineteenth century and yes they're a great assets they're continuing crumbles about maintenance of course some trees most the full among she had several generations since anybody in the company's being very becomes an issue simplify if you cope with little bit supplement so the county places but it's like a hawk line of trees which was what people go out on a walking so you know not too far from the tone but maybe at a poll of area which is not conducive to any other used which could be remediation punted would love to contribute to the solutions because kentucky students were all facing even if somebody is all for environmentalism and they love this idea of having a tree planted when they're lump on dies how do you think you change the culture around being buried at a traditional grace but you know i encountered it but in the united kingdom green burial site sauce springing up around the country but there's no systematic network they tend to be crime it's enterprises i wasn't a mugging ready is that we need government initiatives to require a local authorities the public buddies to include graham burial areas within the structure piles all local authorities have to do with the zoning arrangements and they should also be required now the designated nation areas the punting is a muslim burial sites you know that would be the way to go forward and what would you tell me i have found are playing tomorrow the spot now the headphones on you know these after we nowadays you you just need a digital you know the numbers it tells you where your relatives all you folks on find the train and you go sit on the tree on how your picnic with the way the way the french shovel wisdom with the cemetry so it's almost like having a gps coordinates to go and find you're you're a lot of light on what will the historians say to this idea well i think the you know this is very much in keeping with winds of what's happening to these trends to screening will settle children there are in your family but the younger generation israeli up through all of this the you know the the group behind the millennials when it comes to be a child a there'll be saying why didn't the generations before we get into the sooner and quicker on a bigger scale where will you be buried a well my wife and i have permission from the environmental health departments locally goal for people to be buried on the field we own a house in the village in south lake district top of the hill a which we on a small hail with a view of the village so when we go will have a good time well drains on the you know it's it's it's a it's a good spot i'm not i was i will do probably andrew closest this is just the planning commission through so the to fill the members of the family will likely be planted in the same place i've already punted about eight hundred trees and the in this area actually so it's it's already well underway so in a way you're doing your part for the planet even after you're gone well that's the thing you see this could be your last gift so those were coming off students the policies to tonight a tree planted andras and a little above legacy doctor ashton with good to talk to you thank you bill by doctor john ashton as a public health experts we reached him in liverpool and we have more on this green burial idea on our website cbc dot ca slash hey i h nah nah i'm not i'm not a wow here's something you won't be 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"I'm jason whitlock that's marcellus wiley that those after i wanna speak for yourself the most fairly showing more coming up we'll send you a russell westbrook needs to reinvent itself but we start with kawai leonard we've all heard the stories about mark twain an exaggeration of his death in eighteen ninety seven wayne with busy london wendy american media heard rumors that he's taken ill and was on his deathbed the truth was twain's cousin with bill twain told a reporter for the new york journal quote reporter my desk with an exaggeration i bring that up because i'm gonna start a rumor about lebron james today mbh king james there is terminally ill give it six to twelve months but bronner's contracted collide leonard disease may rare former basketball the killed gregg popovich the toronto raptors in various members of the sports media the thing about why disease is that it initially lift you to you're highest level before ravaging your entire body while led the spurs and the raptors the mb titles before leaving those franchises really cool wise relocation to the staple center will initially elevating the brawn james games for the first time and the king james era the chosen one will have a true rival lebron versus co why is bnb aids best rivalry since magic versus larry race powered johnson versus burt proximity fuels lebron versus co why these guys have to share the same city in the same building they're both looking at drive a third different team to mbh title bronner's perhaps the largest individual brand in american sports partnering with one of the largest corporate brands in american sports the los angeles lakers co why is an odd difficult market forces of nature attempting to legitimize arguably the worst brand in american sports the loss angeles clippers the bronze hollywood and then constant pursuit of a reputation that extends well beyond basketball co why seemingly just want to be the best player in his sport the brian james wants to be mohammed ali kawai leonard wants to be michael jordan tom brady the contrast between these to it's fascinating and will be a source of a thousand different storylines heading into next season already know how this thing is ending you don't survive collide disease especially not at thirty five when you're more interested in making movies the plane hoop especially when you're trying to fill boogie cousins rage on rondo and danny green is terrific acquisitions bomb why has already done significant damage jila brand reputation paul george wouldn't freely joining lebron with the lakers but he forced his way out of oklahoma city oklahoma city the play alongside hawaii with the clippers that's like me watching an instagram model leave my table at wylie's to walk barefoot across broken glass to give jim jackson their numbers i got a lot of myself and she was my tires are getting loud is the fact the iceberg jim is the teeny bit better looking than me to co why looks a lot better than lebron right now environment lebron looks justice toxic as kevin durant's it the whole super team air dead it looks weak you only stars who wanna be relegated the spot up shooter by the bron or agent rich paul clients at the corpse of camello anthony see i could see the bron forcing the trade to a title contender by the twenty twenty trade deadline that's the worst case prognosis the braun is dead by february best case the bron whole going to the playoffs and why finishes the king james there in the postseason but make no mistake i'm not exaggerating the bronze done and jim jackson look better the main or joining us now it'd be ellis iceberg jim jackson and stephen all about addison jack though those old marcellus i'll start with you yeah it was moved away kill the bronco no it did you got me on a road sign alive faded got me you gotta understand but i will say this a heating kill the bron in this era of dominance for him but he's forcing the bronx to fight right now and this is the first time we've seen lebron really have to fight we try to pin him against koby they never matched up in the playoffs together so it didn't work now the bra if somebody who's formidable right there in your building is trying to take the landlord trying to take the tenant try and get that signature only paper say we run away so it's interesting this energy about this robbery is really placed on the bronx he's the commonality he's the common denominator think about where excited as clippers were excited as envy eight because we see parity we see dynamic do old all across the league but let's say a staple center cou why leonard paul george both of those guys have one thing in common they both looked at the lakers once upon a time a sitting hail damage regular brought said hey listen i plan for your in found their way to clipper land that's about what brought and if anybody knows is watch the fight it ain't about your first hit is about when you get hit when they get a chance to respond will see what lebron does their response was three things one i'm glad you clean it up at the end but the tiny bit huge disparity of love you the way we do let me go back to the girl came to the table and say that but it is it's it's hard to say rivalry as in magic and bird because there's just so organic starting in college and then the championship runs during the eighties it made it so intense the teams fueled the rivalry a lot more in the hate the love hate between the two took it to all time apps are will get there where the bron ron in a co why but i do believe it adds so much more intriguing to what we were doing as far as watching basketball in the third part of this is will why the throne probably but but it's all timing you gotta think about it the broncos on the back end of his career at sixteen years right why is only twenty eight years old if we go back to two thousand fourteen when the brown with that the peak in that fourteen final my man average about twenty points again but what i got the nobody got him but what i'm saying and but what i'm saying would you go back and forth i hear you know in time it's it's a little bit different but i love this fact of this in in you you said this both wanna play for the lakers even paul george or at one point why they want it to so is the x factor like you talked about is it lebron right you see what i'm saying like yeah i just feel their life kudos to them for saying you know what that's the big dog okay we wanna go through him we don't wanna go around though we don't wanna play with him and i think it just adds so much more intrigued going into the season a by those who joining together first of all let me say this though is having these conversations katie hurt okay we talking about the throne and best in the league hurt so this is why why and the brunt of the only telling his conversations second part of one thing that's interesting point that i disagree with k d were healthy and kyrie in brooklyn they were healthy you still talking about right here in the the city the matter the most outlay collide leonard paul george versus lebron james anthony davis know what i'm saying if the season don't end like k d did hurt if he play and they wanna championship we we haven't hold ever come out okay what a but i respect wise move because and the braun is is is really the worry one because he's the one that's about the get thrown guan is not on the throne reporters on the ground and he's still a king in the bronx come and say i mean a guacamole his city to try to change things for the clippers envy to get on the throne so i feel like the broad is worried because now you got two guys on another team you'll same building one fresh off a championship like i said one the had opportunity to go hit to come to to the lakers and then come he's regretting it that's why he was cool with his trade policies are so great and not signing with the clippers and going okay see that year and he regretted because now they traded now he's here nine nine make like he wasn't lawyer rush yup now stabbed in the back of all everything's backfired on him lebron has to worry about these two guys they both have a lot to prove along with a great owner i love the owner for the clippers and i think he's gonna do everything they could to put the give these guys all ammunition they need to be successful when the bar you definitely have okay so let's let's let's go let's pick a winner we have a fight and it may be in it berg i don't think right now there's animosity these guys property like each other but sometimes the matchup just says you gotta fight each other you're in the same building i i think why is going to win this fight i think he may win it by the trade deadline he certainly gonna win it by the post season the bronze going this is home vs ali someone talking about fight regular season or paying win the championship another team that when i think both i think there's a regular season fight and i think there's gonna be a post season end all be all and i think why wins the boat well again bill okay given both given both i i would say this look the clippers was a deep team had the best bench maybe in history how much transit lou williams by what thirty six points up the most in history off the bench so we're talking about all time bitch in all they needed with a cherry on top and they got to so so that's one well let's talk about with jimmy is talking about this is gonna be more in the objective analysis who wins the championship how you got there right is gonna be how their rivalry ville man this is why i think there's gonna be a big rivalry in terms of duo's and it'd be a history we're talking about magic and bird house organic ganic from from college to the pros the teams of racial aspect and you talk about this one this is the biggest brand in the sport versus the worst brand in the sport you got the best player versus the best two way player you got one of them residing john where the other two wanna play but because i won't be there i wanna go beat it up that's why i think this is gonna have the ingredients necessary for us to say this is all time rivalry who's gonna win in the end i really think it's the clippers strip away my phantom because they had the deeper team let's go back before all the acquisitions when we saying if that clippers team get something they are it where we say about the lakers they need a lot more do we say about the lakers now they still disney something they don't need it so i think it's gonna be the clippers let's pull back just a little bit because i think is very important what may be boston lakers rivalry so trump is they met in the fine okay they met in the final unfortunately we're not gonna see that so will we will be able to see if they can meet in the western conference final three for your home game all season long get out of that narrative takes on i think a storyline of its own because these two teams these particular players are fighting the get to the championship who can contend who can keep one out of that race is will be very important to how i think at the end of the day the storyline changes now for the lakers i will say this the clippers are built right now a lot better for the short term and long term in the lakers the lakers do have some moves to make let's see what happens during the course of the season what additions that the lakers make the try to contend with what we have over the clippers i still think we're a long way away from that aspect of where we're going but the makings from nb eight perspective in living at l i think about every game to go to you got the clippers over here playing with two great superstars you got the lakers over here you can't lose if you're a basketball fan and more importantly if you living and they're like any you got to you got when they do play you got the top three two way players in the three to eight lives in a game co why and paul one team yes and you got eighty on the other side but then look at this clippers they have the best back court defense albert patrick beverley georgia fans who are co why that's scary there ron harper harper scottie pippen and michael jordan might be the only thing they could compared to look i i will say this and you're ellie born and bred you blew out here nellie along and i but i really believe in again this won't be written pretender fifteen years but i think this is gonna be a fight for the soul of law saying yes and i know this is the lakers town is always there'll be a laker none of the richest man in sports runs the clippers and he's not here he's here to conquer that's what he does you enter topple and so julius caesar sitting over lebron and the lakers ends in his little blonde small council is jeanie buss rob pelinka linda rambus and kurt rambis versus this new up and coming guy the wolf the thrall i'm jerry west of lawrence frank doc rivers and steve bomber these guys have got the lakers going down big time and it could be historic we could be sitting here fifteen years now to man you know when everything chain is winco why came here with paul george and now is the clippers town man let me add a little too they're all clear preaching the gospel damned if you don't you don't stand you don't you don't get off at nine hundred and pay two billion and not wanna win and i wanna tell me oh he's coming cocker look let's talk about this owner this is the owner i think he was on lebanon into microsoft ed he has forty four billion dollars rest in peace the paul allen who wants to win at microsoft lot of those guys sold their stock they won the weather the storm hey remember apple came back yet again he outlasted goals scored their first this is a guy who will not only comfortable persevere just about him that's why he has these riches is he stayed the course to this the first time i'm born and bred l s that there is a real rivalry in staples this the first time to the rural robbery in basketball the clippers have never been great when the lakers were great the lakers been great much much longer than the clippers it's the first time we got a real balance of power in least perception and last but not least christmas day i'm apologize to my family and my wife no no biggest may give you give you give these things must have been fined see us out even me off my man i'm this'll be the first time out tailgater basketball you know this about the fact that now now let's look at the corporate pressure the clippers now putting pressure on the lakers a step up because before the trade the lakers still comfortable right now what even even what what what's going on the clippers were still a side note in regarding over anymore i have that player now them having the two players along with everything else it was always pressure bomber coming in okay but because they were winning wouldn't say now that it puts so much more pressure on the organization have to do better tap the step up their game like the clippers so it's gonna be interesting not just to see what happens on the court but also what happens in that front office at the lakers now the clippers at a gym that was gonna be my next point in terms of one jerry west lawrence frank doc rivers steiber they're all on the same page if things go sideways over for the lakers lot of finger pointing who's gonna take the blame for the fall like you think lebron james don't take that no no trade me give me up on this what's happening now could be the beginning of the infant jeanie buss he or or or go to the other side if they do the right thing it could catapult them to make sure that their corporate stand against taking care it could go either way no i we lock is there's instability in the structure i know but but anyway but the pressure to make them rethink about how they went about operate because it's fresh hosted have formed only met people order now you remember remember the eighty there that show that's incredible yeah and he's always had the dominoes falling out there memorize were wildly domino it's a wrap it ain't gonna last and this is what it is you got a coach and frank vogel who got a look over his back walkout meetings backwards 'cause i got rod lincoln oh no he's hanging on by ray by remove every transaction right fingerpointing so when they fight through the storm who's gonna be left standing versus the clippers you know they're gonna stick together they were in the fight to get co why leonard an end again they got this uncontrollable magic johnson face of the franchise guy the quit on them and then but they had a fight why imagine leaking stuff everywhere i just got off the phone with why is it when we talked about this and that but then it's like the lakers are not on the same page the clippers are an an and i just think they the clippers have partnered with the right guy 'cause you know i i made the point of this weekend so my interview me and they were like a is it amazing that co why kept everything quiet and i go no not really i said because what it tells you is all the noise around these other the teams all the leaks around these other it's intentional they want that noise out there they're leaking information intensely if you don't want it out it don't come out or any of my business and then i won't private i just it's private private right they don't know what happened with me and my girl let me let me know what you give me the festive san diego charger out with the unnamed source so you know maybe they let me tell you about who bring you back and i got i got a contact the clippers didn't hear a word about deep contact not so that just it just reiterate you're born this is jason whitlock we speak yourself and i got a website get half the business christine dot com pristine auction has daily auction nbc nightly and with a dollar starting the authenticity is important to pristine auction they guaranteed authenticity income with authentication from only the most trusted source proceed auctions or affordable most people don't think they could afford this up but it's much more affordable than you think he signed ray lewis baltimore ravens jersey sold for hundred dollars eight mike tyson autograph boxing glove sold for under a hundred dollars it's quick and free register free the bed and you only pay if you win you registration code when joining pristine dot com that's p r i s t i n e dot com in new u c h five dollar auction credit against you'll get a five dollar auction credit when you register using the code speak s t eight k to sign of prefer steam dot com that's p r i s t i n e dot com jim jackson stephen jackson her back time now for big story harlot mood oklahoma city were paul george left russell westbrook in the dust over the weekend heading for the greener pastures and outlay with collide leonard in the clippers reportedly westbrook in the thunder are now working on finding him way out of okay casey and there appears to be mutual interest between westbrook and the miami heat where he could be teamed up with jimmy butler in a remake of dumb and dumber i'm sorry that i mean what's in the script you know i can russell westbrook kid he reinvented himself a basketball player i wanna defend him so bad won't come on a level ella okay good you don't need to come he can't he can't reinvent himself a lot of this is a perception issue in the first place a were put no an inordinate amount of blame all russell westbrook when in reality we know it's not all own westbrook a lot of circumstantial let's just be real about this what's the three most important factors in real estate location location location is okay see we know where it is so one thing they already come up to tobacco back with a strike in terms of free agents in terms of big time superstar let's just be real about it so let's talk about this organization have three mvp but go ahead oh how did they leave did they get organization this is why i really wanna focus on kevin the rat returned in any richest when he left no organization come on do better okay oh victor oladipo you just traded him away you got some things back in return but hold on him james foreign did you hold onto him he won't it for more million dollars a year end you know go james harden find find greengrass baco i'm just gonna say this organization has really made tremendous missteps that has landed on i don't wanna play with russell westbrook all i'm gonna say is russell westbrook is a player that is gonna go down in history taken a lot more criticism i eat carmelo anthony the necessarily deserving foreclosed i love affair well let's go i'm gonna start with the organization they were they had three nbp's i was on the team we had them up to oh in the western conference finals with james ross in katie they came back and beat us four games with tim duncan for game straight the following season they had a chance the king james like you said they rather they want the king nick collison they wanna make him happy they want they make surge about having i like search and they wanna keep catch apartments happened with my little brother but you have the opportunity james way haiti together state that was a bad move by sam pray be just left westbrook 'cause he couldn't play winning now paul just left and ask the question is where have we read that it came out of katie mouth james mouth off or somebody else but he played with that said he's a bad teammate i don't wanna play with no i never heard that kb one of his little business associates i know i know him very well he's he was never on that sideline he never received a pass from russ you never play were so i respect his opinion because he'd been around russian katie but at the same time i've never heard no player in the nbs they say he's i don't wanna play with him now if any player being a player fair russ any plan mb i gotta averages triple double and know that he cares when there's so many guys in nbs in the game for the wrong reasons they will love the paper russ anything against the saints go to miami he will get appreciate a cause pat riley appreciate guys like by russell go ahead i'm sure yeah absolutely i i gotta say i it's it's a it's a weird dynamic conditions things and i'm a i'm a dress organizational chart please the challenge they had at the time when he baka or for harden was that the two teams in front of number san antonio in liquor who were big so they're they're they were caught in between two are cheap eighty six man did i can go get somebody score fifteen points or do i have my my centers in place that's gonna battle against san antonio and against the lake so i i kind of understand why they made the decision based on who they had the go through to get to the finals but as far as westbrook is concerned the toughest thing for me because i love the person that he is and how he plays i love the competitive nature that he that he has my my my thing is i said this before and see you come back this up with pop you know certain things you couldn't get away with you having a real you knew from the beginning no matter how volatile tell how competitive richard nature was certain things you couldn't do right russia has never had that situation cast upon him from the time he's gotten into the league so he developed some bad habits okay you develop bad habits and come back to haunt you we've seen a lot of time with the turnover some bad decisions all of those things okay that's partly on the organization but i also partly on roasting but not running through that as a basketball player and i do believe me by plant in miami where pat riley if he gets you situation like that of tap they could figure out a workaround their cap space situation that the different mindset that is down in miami one of the best organization in sport and okay they accountability ask holding mccown is so different that now russ is forced to have to change some things about his personality but more importantly how he approaches the game i love to see him in that situation so we could all answered the question whether he can reinvent is we don't know right now and so i'm someone that disagree with you more i do think he can reinvent himself and i think he needs to and i think that again i don't like giving up in russia's still relatively young you know i'm fifty two he's young person and i've made some changes in my thirties i think he can i think the heat will help a lot pat riley and that i think they'll play a twenty percent role if he went to the heat in changing him but mostly i think russia's gonna have to change because russ is gonna wanna change i hope he doesn't get caught up in everybody says if your organization is billy donovan is this is that russell westbrook needs to look in the mirror and i think he's gonna be forced to the same say damn i'm the common denominator great players keep exiting me and if you turn the damn film all he plays stupid enforces guys where come away where you play play play smart you could say with over three years plans to put in nb i saw him with a second russ this this is a blessing disguise him because he don't look bad in as he was being a lawyer yeah so i mean yeah not about winning so this is a perfect this is a blessing in disguise the him to start over and go somewhere else anthony style of well well that that stat padding is great it gets talked about on team but don't win is not stat padding means call playing hard and everybody else if you go get a triple double you don't get attacked you gotta translate you gotta materialize that because he's been out in the first round the last three years since k d left first round first round okay so then i made it no no i did you were you happy george harrison township there's no but jack when you say winning then they have like winning to what level what degree we should be winning more were not and this is why disagree with two about he's going to change if he gets in a different circumstance if he changes with that personality what that personality that fuels that motor that we have not seen in a long time you know what that means him changing isn't a mission that i've been wrong that's in the mission that he's been doing stuff and guess what this is not a guy who's gonna miss it he's done something wrong in his eyes he's done with x texas it triple doubles in put us in position to win it it can't what am i doing wrong its own y'all y'all don't want the smoke is something you said some ride though and at forty one and he'll tell you since the big three i made changes when i'm worried about the referees whereabout also had no control i play like trash i'm not i'm i shouldn't even be on the court the last year i've been focusing on jets basketball and my game is went through the roof and that's what was in the we just gotta look himself i understand that you guys not worried about the but you can't control and that's a lot of his problems come from that russell westbrook he doesn't have that issue of focus he doesn't have the issue like i'm caught up in other things those things are not distractions to him matter of he runs in in bulldozes throw them this is a different psychology this is in a lie hardaway this is the husband in the car knowing he going the wrong way in ain't go after his wife directions you know we don't know why they figured out we'll figure out i think that you know what i and when your wife isn't holly berry you could do that pat riley is holly berry nbs in what i like that rises will have some real tough discuss what would what would rusted i don't think okay sequels will hit respected don't coming from pat riley here's jim donovan this is how pat is the beauty about pat riley is this from one through fifteen everybody's held accountable when i was there he was on alonzo's but like no other 'cause he knew in order for everybody else to be in late he had the get online gotta go there were times when we were practice that i had him as a coach not executive on the floor where he may i say anything to you okay but then later on that night and may treats you to dinner then the next day on the bus the shoot around may not say anything he always ship your belt but one thing he wants you to play the game the right way okay went to the play the game the right way and play hard if you do that in be a professional on and off the court in a conversation that if it does happen with russ is this this is how we do things here in miami as the bron as lebron this is how we do things here is not contingent paul one player okay if you contingent upon the fifteen guys signed up we're gonna continue the move with or without you could come in later you can't but this is how we do things did you do things the right way you're gonna be successful now while you play more important when you get here's a picture of central rodney's though but my point is however back with locking wiley big shout out to the usa swimming that just straight women's world cup any more the overall wrong with their win over the netherlands on sunday we also wanna congratulate are fox family all their hard work covering the great job i d next big box of it is tonight the star shine bright as the best in the majors celebrate the mid summer classic mlb all star game tonight at seven thirty eastern four thirty pacific only on fox i join us for preview live from cleveland is friend of the show and fox sports mlb analyst nick swisher swimming they welcomed back i justin verlander talking about free agency you guys may good to see you nick justin verlander starry night for the ale when he made headlines this week when he said the juice baseball's are causing the surge in home runs this season buying bond verlander spirit while there has to be something to it there's no doubt about it this mass the pitcher for twelve thirteen years right now i mean he definitely knows what a baseball supposed to feel like in his hand right the commissioner says the scientists say nothing's happened but then again on the other he says the dragon the baseball is less i mean let's be honest these baseball guys been throwing baseballs for years they know exactly what it should feel like and on the other side of things major league baseball paste hit around seven thousand home runs this year who i do know this i know the commissioner likes all fence and when he showed up we instantly had office so there has to be a little something to what verlander is saying this man knows what he's doing it like you said hey baseball were not idiots listen i i believe just and i want the question i have is this the right thing for baseball doesn't make it more exciting does it make more watchable will attract more fan well i mean if you're asking me old time dies i mean they would definitely say no but if you're asking a guy like me i'm just jones now still playing i know that i mean players were bigger faster and stronger now the velocity game has gone up i mean we saw the futures game here the other night every kid going out there stone in oh did we i think we lost we may have lost mc yup can't talk about baseball spiked all right let's see let's take mic and coming up marcellus in ice cubes got into eight heavyweight showdown on twitter will tell you came out on top tv's tv's hottest look at social media time jason whitlock to speak yourself is that hairline slowly starting to move backwards any bald spots yet how would you feel year from now if it's business as usual up there sixty six percent of men lose their hair by age thirty five well thanks to science baldness can be optional four hymns dot com is a one stop shop for hair loss skin care sexual wellness for men hymns connects you with real doctors and medical grade solutions to treat hair loss no waiting room no awkward in person doctor visits save hours by going to four hymns dot com answer a few quick questions eight doctor will review and 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and tweeting when you're representing other actors like they really liked this man whom q belly pig saying oh which found with underway in game seven in the finals and what's going on and get knocked out in the second round in fact the monitor q swing saying o'shea jackson junior like six years old and it's big it's so long ago he's playing you move why they're choosing kept going back and forth even today right when asked rescue guy who won his battle bro you call frugal fake craziness along be so long as people were laker fans to start realizing warrior fans i'm really going to try to build up a robbery figure out what team you're loving hands down to my man march seventh could be because he always you don't change right yeah clipper clipper clip in it don't change don't know what i mean so now you got to the bell bottoms and then we got to win that one though that that was that was a good good athlete new shot after we had a big reader stay at home they i'm good at home word first of all i love cube i love i saw snoop last night man he's a mile homeys respect i'm just amazed even calling in my home because i grew up listen to my old timers that they some fraud paying off snoop don't even know i feel here's steeler fans here on the bench you die hard about when i hear all we gotta steal i've seen a lot of different jordan i got receipts brought a lot of new original drink not they started singing later oh no you gotta think about it and doboy inborn he a good actor any doing that with his fans do really about this seems the first two that'll jumped ship over to the clippers oh yeah it's when things go bad for the lakers oh you'll be right humane hero billy crystal move over to new hellacious all right are staying away from i got cal cooling without a great off season we know he's one of the only young lakers who didn't get sent away nappy david straight and now it looks like he's dating kendall jenner there were smarter hanging out doing for the la first off coups ma i see my guy but i do a lot of you know banging a drum and it comes with dana car dashing salt to the lakers be concerned with a car dashing lamar odom played his best mary to courtney courtney clone while you look at me you were again early i know i got me here nine times this actually hurts me a little bit like i know this is all for the gay but we call it a whole family occurs when you grow who's mccain go to many places in five someone he even thinks it's like you know comparable he would they know it's a problem tells you the problem going on the world you dream see the problem i want a super bowl so going back to when we come out a all i can say at the end of the day man up you know what i'm saying take care of business on a on a basketball court ain't gotta worry about that all right but here's the thing the precedent has been set already days horns said i play my best basketball when i chose exit stage left now what do you say i know he said that but that said that that is a cold winter now what are the low rate you just don't get it is real with the there's three things under attack by the guard that everything's undefeated billionaires only matter i know it has to say what stuff that goes on people still wanna put you know did that toe in the water i don't care i don't matter the real cause i'm kendall jenner she seemed like a really cool thing you gotta you gotta tie delayed brittany anita baker look into a gym and work out there are two and i agree mild definitely that family is successful so they've got the best job in the world what is being yourself in getting paid like going abroad and that's money like acrimonious smiling that's money that they look good clown which that's a apparently that's winning i will do is they'll get the purchasing the benefits of being whipped it because they wanna go that pj say we're going to the island next week at what they do know what i'm saying we gotta through the park here's a question for you do the perks outweighed other stuff that come with other stuff i'm already famous if i'm cal coups market drama drama conway has to come on the don don now you're a lakers fan the only one here you are you worried about the curse through tell the truth truth obviously i i mean i hear you know facts james harden playing well brook lopez one plan what everybody there the car dash understanding going through simmons cause you to make sure you're throwing shoulder blaming unless you've made a stop in a high we'd better get out of this where we all get real time now the question of the day high in harlem fire all right guys so maybe i free agency has been wild i mean almost make more noise national scene itself we all know that football is king and the usa but there's been a lot of talk online that the nfl is not on the same level india in terms of the off season so well ask you guys this have a better all season in nfl no hell no hell hell hell hell yeah the mbh does a nice job with this off season little job yeah no no no we're not a nice little little teeny like he look a lot better did you not only not go to the cleveland browns will not have any nfl draft every year which door any of this week talking about her point antonio brown just joined the raiders yup lady on bill legal marijuana knocks i look i'm i'm actually went to but oh that'd be like we we just witnessed some of the greatest players which teams and that's amazing but that used to be commonplace for the nfl member whole super bowl teams were gonna post that roster rubber every year we mean we joe montana leaving all season yeah bruce smith in the hall of fame guy be on switch nfl so used to this that it seems like it's bigger than anybody age of got to i will say this though from a player's perspective nbs is way better they got a guarantee or they could block they no trade clause they could block trade clause in there yeah you're going to hand over us when we get hit if the next play they get right roca play play fifteen may have the the thing the thing about it for me it's like this comparing good morning america the ratings all you're gonna be okay what show come yeah this summer was more like a soap opera for the ambiance all the drama going on all the stuff we didn't know who is going where so i i think you play to the fact that it gave us something that we didn't know what's gonna happen where katy what's going where every especially at the end with his mom would you go why and also will all georgia i mean literally the quiet thing there is only one person in america the new where he was going it's amazing go ahead no i wanna hear why why north a little bit but not just so a big but you gotta give credit for miss 'cause they took a page out of the nfl's booking in regards the stretching out the time period in which you keep the conversation going yeah and they did it with the you know the draft free agency and also suddenly once we get back to the season is all about football here i mean the bottom line but they great battles opera this is the all time high seen this many great players switching audience like this i don't i can't remember any other time of year where it was like i'm gonna give this credit what's happened this off season it's like they created a whole new we'll hear from super teams the dynamic duo that man and robert young friend and i think that is great for them be i've never been more excited for mbh season since my pacers and reggie miller music to compete but but in fifteen years this is the most excited i've been for them be now the east sorry if i got you think the east will win a championship 'cause i think the west is so stack not only be a while this clippers yeah yeah it's west now but one thing i will say a in terms of structure the nfl needs to catch up on social media has their own doing it then be has opened in server they let you reach tweet google that sounds to me what nfl needs to get on crack okay i'll tell you what is sports cold how much money having okra football players are more volatile i think from emotional perspective football players if they start getting out the beauty about the embryo david stern did a great job of marketing the guy on the name on the back in the eighties he had to you had no choice it's hard for the nfl the transition away from i didn't hear what i just said what because the end be hey let anyone do whatever they want their content allowing everyone to do is create greater story in interest why are we having the conversation nfl it'd be it when we know there's really not economic the story is closing that gap me gambles middlebelt road another great show and i wanna fix yourself the most fairly show in sports with locking wiley reggie bush is back with joined by former pro bowl linebacker son merriment mood the baker mayfield sweating invincible weekend getting married in malibu on saturday but bigger wasn't the only one making it about this weekend his good friend mark walberg told tmz at the browns quarterback would bb air tom brady strong as the face of the nfl but a local brown's applause ashley disputed walberg claim saying bakers too polarizing to fill tom brady shoes i don't buy this at all i i think it'd be a polarized that's a good thing protected me yeah i mean i think there's just too criteria to be the face of the nfl on one of these faces one is you got a ball out like you gotta we gotta be able to depend on you could we have the markets you for years to come to you gotta have the bandwidth and i don't think polarizing is the word that you should apply here this is a guy who has the bandwidth to reach let's be real my demo which is a inner city urban you'll make a ball like that and then also where he's from from down south and all the guys from that in rural areas who like he puts up some good numbers does he end you know you gotta respect that we are all in agreement what they possess this may be premature but i must say joe nemeth two point oh come and watch out of candidly i was with jarvis landry last night talking off mike basically he was talking up the spirit of this team everyone's feeling confident they're like were saying these things 'cause we believe and why do we believe because of work to be and if he has all these guys who've been in the league veterans now thinking of greater aspirations you've got a special sauce in the thursday night game we have thursday night game last year where he took over and there was just something different in that game when he stepped on that field the electricity was different it was almost like he was the savior for the city of of of cleveland and completely changed the game like all of a sudden he had passed in protection he could throw the football field like everything opened up and you just saw jekyll and hyde right like you saw the first happened didn't really go where they couldn't move the football and then all of a sudden baker steps in and it's like this is this is how the game is supposed to be playing right in this is how a quarterback surely his team to victory in the more the more hip mark walberg say this the more i wish you just take that fight with what kinda mcgregor i just wanna say it happened out and i get it mark walberg in tom brady the boys it really close friends i get that but there's there's nothing no similarities between baker mayfield in in tom brady none there's none other than the bed baker mayfield possibly being they really good quarterback or could possibly be great that he only similarity i don't see anything else he too outspoken yeah he speaks his mind he handles negativity completely different he's more of an individual of its own kind you're gonna know baker mayfield field act and i'm saying this because i spent a lotta time around you he'll tell you exactly what he's feeling tom brady will avoid it he'll stay you know only up in up he he won't go towards any controversy baker mayfield actually accept it yeah he takes it all in a different way so they're to to told her to exclude him for being the face of the nfl yeah but you know you can't compare the what i'm saying is you if you compare the two right and i'm not talking about playing levels anything like that he's more of what you said right he's more of a philip rivers he's more somebody in that locker room that is that the team follows and they rallied behind he'll go out and be outspoken he'll talk he'll be he'll be in front of everything and tom brady kind of sit in the back answer the questions the way he has the answer and he doesn't say anything right or wrong he's always right down middle so yeah if you wanna compare him as possible great quarterback i understand that but don't use tom brady has kind of hand in the throne because there's there's two totally different people yeah there i i get your point you gotta think hey he shouldn't be he bit a big deal any nfl but it'll be completely different than tom brady and that's one of the reasons why i agree with mark walberg we're in a different time now tom brady boy next door all in a bit humble stays out of controversy i like to call baker mayfield little smokey he loves and if you just understand the times that we're there's big smokey in the white house yeah in the era of smoke right here man this dude again the thing but you're talking about marcellus is like everybody likes this kind of smoke air in the in the it's like you hear about this accident i will say this whitlock that this is a guy that we were talking about tom brady let's not act like he is apple pie 'cause in the rivalry with him and peyton manning peyton was the apple pie tom brady we try to give him the edge in a store but now we're gonna just oppose that to baker may feel like you said there's the evolution ocean of this year i think the graduation of the nfl's gonna be this bring one in as a little risque you see how that for this is what more and more quarterbacks of looking like is will write my more and more quarterbacks looking like russell wilson like baker mayfield they're playing like them to is becoming harder and harder to find guys like tom brady like pay manning that are just strictly pocket passing passer a quarterback of sulfur timmy i think that baker can be like i'm gonna say the polarization won't stop him right they issue their baker mayfield has is the dude in kansas city and he doesn't have his talent yeah period end of story and he may have a better story and he did the little and taken on the the big tough nfl and all his personality but that kid in kansas city has so much talent we just never seen before yeah that to me will be the obstacle whether he's the face of the league 'cause you gotta again and we love the story of race this'll be the greatest quarterback ever yeah okay that i see the nfl getting behind the other way around who ready for this nfl knows this these are the real metrics out there is happening at the youth level you talk about how baker mayfield is now what's next is there going to be part of it is color but his position tight ends and wide receivers if you're six four to six six you're not even looking at that position more they're turning the two quarterbacks and what a two point oh quarterback is now gonna be norm watched the high school level is going to college you're starting to see these top talents are gonna be athletic beef what's gonna come what that is a different personality we're gonna go from peyton manning amazon top radio some different from apple pie didn't have baker oh that's a good segue way into what's coming next you know with all right before we go i wanna tip my hat to the world cup winning usa u s former soccer team not further recordbreaking wander the second consecutive title now that was easy unpredictable the passing of title nine and nineteen seventy two pretty much guaranteed we would one day dominate the world in women's soccer for american women's soccer is are football is are national pastime for young girls now what i wanna do what i wanna do is congratulate these twentythree members of are national team is for their ability to turn their recordbreaking performance it's against overmatched competition into lake clever negotiating ploy reparations when you ask women's national team finished dusting off the netherlands in the world cup final on sunday their supporters immediately started shouting equal will pay the members of the team have convinced themselves and their supporters if they are being exploited by the usa soccer federation because they don't earn as much money is they're far less successful men's team this is not true the women are not exploited they're not paid unfairly they're paid exactly what their union negotiated competed in a sport that hasn't fully matured internationally women's soccer in comparison the men's is they new business starter the first women's world cup happened in nineteen ninety one sixty one years after the first men's world cup the first usa women's national soccer team played in nineteen eighty five a hundred years after the first usa men's team the men's world cup in russia generated six billion dollars in revenue this past women's world cup is expected to generate a hundred and thirty one million dollars fee for the governing body of a sport showers the men's team with far more money than the women men's international soccer is the world series of poker the stakes are enormous and sore the payout right now women's international soccer the game of poker among a handful of friends in someone's basement i get it a woman her poker's sharks in are manner fish but are manner swimming in the deepest part of the ocean while the women hunt close to the shore degree of difficulty matters title nine in this country's liberation of women and puts us far ahead of international competition there's a reason we beat thailand by world cup brecher thirteen neil there's a reason we've never trailed in this year's world cup and then all but one game scored a goal within the first twelve minutes the competition with embarrassingly inferior we could have rotted more than two more teams and just thailand were getting their exact result we pay for title nine created hundreds of women's college soccer programs which are far better funded the men may number pino and alex morgan are treated unfairly in these all important development stage is they have decided advantage over usa men i get it man had a hundred year head start the women additional reparations but that cries title nine it'd be original reparations they should shout reparations two point oh resident equal pay yourself you wanna party like a football star guess low after they july twentieth move the one and only drink beer club on the las vegas strip joint tied dollar sign that the marcellus wiley entire speak for yourself crew at the pool party of the summer for tickets and more information visit raised dot com trades group dotcom what the pseudo are all those somebody else's pseudo locking wiley that that that's not even jackson or back let's it's moved to the clippers reshape pnb landscape this past weekend reportedly lending collide leonard and paul george and studying move that arguably the best player on the planet and another print all start to a playoff team where they championship winning coach not surprisingly cooper fans and paul george are pretty excited let's say my boy someone nita lowey going to be coming home which i knew look clippers and we don't have a lot of time here they're the best team in nb i think without question i for gold my duty to testify because of bias so we left something we already know they're the best team i mean at least the paper champions in off season that matters no doubt best thing and then i lost my bet so they lost so yeah hit into my man we're predicting it i would i wouldn't own paper right now their own pay vapor yeah they play how about my not public deepest team definitely we got better go milwaukee a on the lakers know who just said the lakers that issue i'm not even if the none of whom they happened go in if i'm not giving it's nobody's they've gotta go out there and win paper they got this guy or girl paper but that's what we talked about right now is not a game they're all a widow right now so we have to talk about paper last year i'll give you this toronto was not the paper champions at this time last year right they became the material champions held up patrols you think of the paper champion the me staff you will have a forecast that you play defense many got co why paul george and patrick beverley that's why i'm so glad i went work in the last two weeks i have the get up him make up stories about i knew somebody was going here i'm he's going there i i'm glad i wouldn't have the last week i don't like making up stuff so you got experience and so what i'm not making up nothing i just wanna know how can you speak own experience about teams that were newly constructed we don't know what they're gonna look so we gotta we gotta go out there because my brain is coming from texas mrs i'm showing you and jeff opinions from them is not what i'm thinking he'll also right now you don't think one team is better than the other going into next year yeah do that they thought maybe not the warriors i mean of madison is better than us we'd be him in the first round and they end up with the best in the league that doesn't matter to me it has to get done okay it matters to me can you believe you give you give you a billion dollars go bad on one team which i do find it a hundred dollars i bet on the clippers thank you i bet on the clip because they do because why my homeboy if you already will waive my homeboy jimmy's here no tended a lot of governance all the side just doubled the big dummy on the victim i'm here today is the person that set up here i'll know how you got put on the list but tama all kendall jenner and the light 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The Drop - DSJ Trade Rumors, Harden, Fast Food

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The Drop - DSJ Trade Rumors, Harden, Fast Food

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And then when he came up to me gave me a huggy bent down gave me a hug, we went cheek-to-cheek ear to ear. And he said he loved the show. It's nice nice touching moment before we flew off. And I had to run to the washerman scrubbed. My ear just kidding to my right? It's the beard of Trey Kerby. Right there. That's the Ozzy li-listen next to him dropping them drops starters producer Medio. Smash? Thanks. Simon night. I even on all the night. Smashed. All the has on finally making this magic happen JD. There isn't here. We are leading an unbelievable job yesterday. Doing your Stephen Adams beef parody without nana's head to speak like an Australian for a change. Yeah. It was really weird wasn't strange to give back into that. The difference. Yeah. All the blahdy is on see if I say normally all the bloody time, but that the Belotti taught. Good actually inference. You're great hilarious job. I all you guys. Putting that together really really quickly. If you want to get in touch with the show, you can't a number of ways you can Email us the starters at NBA dot com. You can follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the starters or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook on today's drop we're going to discuss whether the Boston Celtics are the new Washington Wizards. We'll get into the Dennis Smith junior trade. Rumors woes reporting last night that maps could be looking to move that young guard. We've got top five we got some MBA trivia, we get a whole lot on today's. Hopefully classic addition of the drop right now, though, we got start with James harden because he's continuing to play just stupid entering the second half of the rockets matchup with the grizzlies last night than it already scored thirty six points giving him seventeen straight games with thirty or more points. That surpassed Kobe streak of sixteen consecutive thirty point games. Achieved in two thousand three the Wiltz still has the all time record record home. Any isn't it like sixty two games? And it's it's something like that. Yeah. I don't know fifty a game for. It is something like playing more minutes. Like, he averaged more than forty eight minutes overtime. Yeah. Well, the beer though, finished with fifty seven points in the rockets won twelve ninety four victory once again just unstoppable seventeen to thirty three from the field. So pretty efficient for him seventeen of eighteen from the line and his point total was higher than the combined points scored by the grizzlies starters in this one and this was without cling. Capella who we found out in the last couple of days looks like he could miss four to six weeks with ligament damage to to his right thumb. So no, Chris Paul, no, Eric, Gordon now, no cling, cappella and hardened still goes out and puts up fifty seven and they get the win against you know, agrees lease team. That is struggling right now. No doubt. But not how brutal team in Memphis, and it's just wild watching this. When is this going to stop can keep this up? No, why don't we keep saying keeps doing this thing is watching them? They play like a high school team. It's it's like. Here's the good guy on the team the other four guys, you know, get out there and rebound if he misses especially with going Capella as you mentioned he's out. So there's no Senator to pass to it's really just one with four guys around him. Eric Gordon's coming back, very soon. And that'll take some of the pressure off James aren't because he will give it up to record. And plenty because I think now that he's you know into this run. I think he's deep enough to say. All right. I am the MVP he can chill out for a little bit and try and save himself for the playoffs. Because as we know that's a problem with James, and he gets tired in the postseason. The bird note goes phase Zillur had an article on that can you like bottle this right now put it away and just save this type hard for the playoffs. But I don't think. KT's man. Yeah. He the years. He finished second. He was talking about how he should have won it for the whole season last year. He was talking about how he should have won it. He's talking about winning and already he ain't going to be shutting it down or bottling it up for the rest of the season. He's going to try and score fifty seven every night. And maybe he'll do it. Maybe some more rockets they'll get injured. They'll just let Mike dantonio play lead. Dan, Dan, Tony play ninety. I don't know. He could get eight. I hope he's eighty one hundred percent agree with that. I thought seventy was a legit. You know possibility last night with the thirty six at half. And one of the like, it's almost mind boggling, you see he has thirty six, and it's like I was watching a lot of that. What they really like it wasn't like you hadn't hit ten three's or something like that. I know he coming off the night before he couldn't hit a three hundred the magic he bands back pretty strongly and go to the free throw line and a lot. But yeah, it's fun. It's feels like this going to be an unhappy ending for him at some point again for the season is gonna is gonna be a an early exit in the playoff. So I just feel that. But while he's. Hot like this right now. It's fun. And it is only one game without cappella. Yeah. I am interested to see because it's one thing when it wasn't Chris Paul and Gordon because he's like, well, you know, I'm going to dominate the ball even more obviously going to attack as much as possible. And all that Capella was just I thought instrumental at least keeping like the defense confused when heart had started to drive it's like where you're going to be throwing that lob to him. He was putting up really good numbers. Cappella like eighteen twelve type numbers, obviously, a high percentage nearly two blocks per game. So Ken, Ken heart and really do this. I know Gordon is coming back, but without that type of center because they got NA starting and he can only give you fifteen minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And that's and they've decided that Tony's the side of that. And then who is it who are there centers has the first time. It's not Martinez. Chris just run to the rim. Hot and Stein. Yeah. That's really their big talker. Plays the five. Yeah. I mean, so wow. If he can like is hardened the front runner right now for MVP. I still saying you on us for now because I'm looking big picture. And I think I think again it will regress some point whereas Janas not regressed than he's being consistent from the spots. I'm I'm sticking true to Janas Fennell. But certainly James harden is making it more difficult by the day if he continues to play like this then then yes, he will win. But I'm just he hasn't been doing this for a week. I. Six weeks just about this December. There's no no question. This is this. He's he's gone from like that. I think it was last show before we had the break. And we're like we haven't even he's not even close to the MVP conversation. And now, it's like, easy the MVP. So the leader. Yeah. I, you know, the the box will have a better record and Yoenis there's no reason that Jaanus wouldn't still maintain that lead in my opinion because he hasn't dropped off either. He's been great. I'm sorry. I'm staying with us, but it's a lot closer than it was a couple of weeks ago. I think the thing that James harden has going for him is that he can't really slow down because they're two and a half games from dropping out of the playoffs which is nuts considering that he's scoring a lot of points every game in an unprecedented fan fashion, but they started off really poorly, and he they they literally can't they can't stop. They can't just stop playing the one on for it, which is really fun. That's wild. All right moving on just one thing the grizzlies. I mean last year I had an excuse win. Fist fide, Mike. Conley was injured. They thought of well this year. What I mean? They just awful. Yeah. I mean, it'd be I think was Zach Lowe tweeting last night or the day before about this. If they continue to play bad up until as we get closer to the trade deadline. They're going to have just to make a decision and go, okay. Because at the time to actually blow this up because we're not even good when they're playing here at the start of the season. It was like well link us all healthy. And as we suspected they are team. Yeah. But then not anymore. I mean, they're not even they're a bad team right now. That's the problem. I mean channel that. This is not that is not the reason they're struggling they've got some real concerns because they I mean, the rockets would never really not in control of that game on the loss. That's the thing. It means great wbob guy fifty seven, but if it was like a two point game and this back and forth. Then it's like that shows that the the the the lack of depth the rockets have, but it wasn't even really even that close. It's really surprising to see Memphis, so bad. Well, I've got an insane. Trade proposal for you regarding the grizzlies when we get to the Dennis Smith gator. It's insane. It'll never happen. But it's fun to talk about. Let's get to the Celtics here, though, Kyrie Irving he like he's already talked about. He's going to resign with the Celtics. But someone I guess you tell that to Brooklyn nets fans because the nets route twenty five points last night early in the fourth quarter. Right now. It's the butcher. I think that down. Didn't get a fresh market this morning. The nets were up twenty five points early in the fourth quarter. And the Brooklyn fans, they jabbed at the Celtics with the Kyrie's leaving chant jammed up. Pretty good chance. Strong Chen enough people chiming in you can hear it on the broadcast. Now, the Celtics made a furious comeback late, but they fell one oh nine to one zero to the nets continuing to roll here. The ngelo Russell another what six or seven threes and this one he says give me in the all star game. See that after the game should be an all star should be a couple of guys. But he's got a he's got a point. You could be in the conversation after the game built Jaylen Brown said that the recent fingerpointing between teammates needs to come to an end quickly as Boston their struggles have begun to spiral here. Once again they've had a weird season. They were bad, and they were going they're bad. They're gonna level. He said this Jaylen Brown, we've just got to have each other's backs. At the end of the day. We can't make comments we can't point fingers. We just have to continue to empower each other and have each other's backs. If we don't if we start pointing fingers everybody's going to go into their own little shells. It starts from the top to the bottom. Not from the bottom to the top. But the top to the bottom we've got to continue to empower each other and make the best of this a not so subtle response to Kyrie irvings comments the day prior saying about, you know, calling it the young guys and their championship mentality and playing smart and playing harder. It's going on here with the Celtics are is this nothing. Is this something that is something that is definitely some problems within the locker room for the car. Rita sort of had the digs that he had the divide of some sort fish oil. And I think it does come back to the fact that they achieved so much with that car. Ian, Gordon last year and inserting those guys back in on Gordon coming off the bench, but they're having trouble with that having trouble with guys like Rosie. He's in a contract you saying, you know, last year, I played really well. And he was probably in line for a bigger pie then easing law enforcement now. And and I think some other guys like Jaylen Brown's, well, he's he's numbers and his touches of being affected, and it's very hard to pull that back. When guys of of been successful, you know like because again, they made the one win away from the NBA finals last year. And instead, you know, I think a lot of people that are going to go out in the first round, you know, when went Dan's like the season's over. So they achieved they overachieved now. It's like, but now you guys have to take a step back, and that's very hot for anybody to accept totally youngest. But as far as the locker room. Goes you got the the oldies call out the young east, the young, and it's calling out the old guys some teams will overcome that. And some teams will not. And so now it's out on the table. And I think this team can overcome it is it a team that's going to fall back and just implode or going to be a bowls or wizards as you mentioned skeets a bowls Jimmy Butler. Dwayne Wade I'm referring to fix up. I just think it's out on the table. They're ready to be better. That's all. I mean, they're going to go off. We're gonna go down. Yeah. I feel like he's saying you guys were good last year when nobody was expecting anything out of you, and you went to the conference finals, and you almost wanna conference finals he's saying I want a championship. I know what it takes to win a championship. I'm the lead guy here, which I think is kind of right? But like Jalen Brown, basically saying you point a finger. You got four pointing right back at you. Classic retort. And it's true. I don't really know who side I'm on this because I do feel like Kyrie should one hundred percent be the man for the Celtics and the veterans should be the ones leading the team because they know what they're doing. And they know what it takes to win year after year after year. But on the other hand, you can't be calling guys out in the media like that. Especially when you're sitting on the bench hurt Jerry rally curry didn't play Massachusetts. I don't think. Jalen Brown is calling. Okay. Irene saying, you shouldn't be our leader though. He saying you should be a better leader. Yeah. And he and inquiry saying you should be better three or four or five guys. So I don't think anyone's wrong, I just think that no one's playing to their potential. I think. Carrie knows he was wrong. How he may be his initial laments that started this whole thing. And he has said that he's lay this is going to be the last time, I sort of take that approach. It's probably not the right approach basically saying, yeah, you guys out there play better and getting and then the whole situation at the end of that game. Obviously Tatum getting the shot and him maybe being upset with Hayward. I guess. Yeah. Right. Because I think the way that Stevens drew it up. He wasn't thrilled with but Stevens tried to guy Popovich last night twenty nine seconds. He was upset with Rosiere. Yeah. Who's not playing? Well, no. This is the thing is he's he's shooting a forty percent under forty percent thirty five from three maybe, but he's in and out of the lineup as well. You know, and he started a couple of guys in Cari hasn't been there. And he's and he's coming off the bench. It's hot for him to get into that the Mojo flowing lucky headlock chief. So I think that's affecting his his his game. Yeah. The the truth is it's just expectations were super high for this team. Wasn't Bill Simmons saying like they're gonna win sixty seven games or something like that? And a lot of people had them like, yeah. That's the number one team in the east. Look how good they were without their guys. Now, they get them back. Brad. Stevens is a president. He's the wizard, and you can make it all happen. And like, they're just, you know, they're not even close to expectations right now fifth in the east twenty five and eighteen now after losing to the nets and the plus to some bad teams they lost that harm to the sons and the loss of the magic twice once. Home. You're saying he even in his initial comments right at one point. He's like, we know we're better than these teams. So like, what is it? Then it's just our effort. Like, we have more talent. Especially one through ten but. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I got a Morris. Both teams got a Morris. That's probably not. It's a good point. Like, you're saying is like how do you can you can you channel this and turn your season around once again, and they felt like they already did this. Yeah. I know we didn't have the public displays of like disruption. Be it like Morris and Jaylen Brown pushing each other and then the comments and stuff like that early in the season. But then they we like we were talking on the show not too long. Yup. Celtics have figured it out here. They come. They're gonna climb up the ranks here in the Eastern Conference. No big deal. And then this all happens. But I don't know is it that's the thing is are these just sort of one off moments of frustration. Or is there something underlying? Here's a little deeper where it's like these factions in that locker room, you know, are broken, and they can't be healed. Well, Jason Tatum hits that shot. And it goes, oh, I have a Tom and I win then nothing happens out of that game. Like car gets if they lose last night. It's like the end of a three game road trip. You know, Carter was out against the good nets steam. So you can sort of offset it against that sort of stuff. But when you lose three in a row, particularly when they probably figured they going no worse than to. One on that road trip. They have things things get magnified because we shouldn't we shouldn't have lost three games. Anything goes as I people start getting a little upset with each other for me watching kyri and his leadership qualities and the way he's calling his teammates. I can't separate it from LeBron and him being LeBron being Kyrie's leader for a few years and those teams ended up. All right. I think he's mimicking LeBron style. And it's hard for me to disconnect left that that he ended up leaving that we left LeBron. Because maybe some of that was I'm not really a fan of being called the youngster that kid. He's mimicking that. Exactly. What he's doing? What he's doing? Right. Is see not. But I find it ironic if you're think, it's it's interesting. Yeah. Who knows if it's going to that extent? Yeah. Kyra was reportedly mad that the Brun constantly referred to him as the kid got special treatment, you know, on their airplanes bringing in. Having a buddy go with them at all times. Why? Well, Kyrie could not yet. Who knows what the circumstances are with kyri if he's really embracing that number one status, but as far as the locker room goes as far as what we see is very similar, but those teams did end up battling through and becoming a decent team. And I think the the Boston Celtics expectations of sixty seven wins was just that was bonkers. That's that's wild. I know they want fifty five games, and you should say they should be better. But you would think by we're a sixty one team. I mean, that's all right. I didn't think so. But I don't know. I thought they'd be fifty five there should be a fifty five win team. But you have to remember Gordon Hayward last time play bass, what was the number one guy Jason Tatum. The last time he played basketball was the number one guy. Jaylen Brown was the number two guy, and there's just a bunch of world terrorism or the starting point guard. There's a bunch of rules that to figure out and we thought, you know, by mid season for me anyway that they would have figured it out. And then they haven't quite yet. But they're not also their fifth. They're not this should be part of it's the terrain. To me or to me, it's Toronto and everybody else as far as the standings should go. And we'll see where they get. According to a report from Woche. The Dallas Mavericks are escalating discussions to try and find a trade for second year point guard Dennis Smith junior so far they've had discussions with both the Phoenix Suns and Orlando Magic though I've seen now. The sun's like their beat writers. What's that guy's name? John gumbo. Thank you. He's denying the sons have any real interest in Dennis Mitchell for well. There's also some reports that maybe the pistons have had some initial conversations with the mass about acquiring does Smith junior. Oh, they're acquiring John Gamba door so twenty one year old Smith number nine pick right two thousand seventeen NBA draft. Now, the Mavs I guess are deciding here if these reports are true that they they don't think he fits with the direction of the team, and where that team is headed and the main concerns are whether Smith fits long-term with a guy like Luca Danni chew needs to dominate the ball. And decimates was junior was a point guard obviously had a high usage rate in his rookie year. And now is being asked to be more off the ball type guy, and it doesn't really work and the numbers back that up when you start looking into the, you know, points per one hundred possessions when the two guys are out there together. And when they're not when it's like, Jalen Brunson or JJ Berea before his injury. Are those fair concerns is my first question that if the Mazar deciding, you know, these guys don't sort of jive together, and we look to trade Dennis Smith junior because you know, we're hitching a ride to to Luca mania. And the other part is do you think? Dennis Smith junior is any good and what he could get back on a trade on the trade market. What do you think I think he's good? I think it's a little early to for the math to kind give it it feels like that's what they're doing. Certainly don't you just say going forward? So they they need to invest in him and let him run the offense and control the team. But I think this needs to be a little bit more time just to see if Dennis Smith can become an off the bowl play because he's he's quick and he's athletic. He can get inside. So he can be a bit of a slasher. But I feel that the Mavericks simply don't feel that he's he's a pot of their plan. So they want to see if they can cash in on him now and get something. But he's value to me wouldn't be all that high right now because he had a down season compared to where he was last year, and he hasn't been playing now they're saying it's a back injury. But that's more precautionary. So that he doesn't get any other sort of injury. So I think if they really want to try to him the Mavs a sort of in the playoff hunt, and I might as well sort of showcase him. A little bit more maybe to show what he can do. Because right now, I think he's he's taken a bit of a nose though, which just low is what they can get in research. You're saying you don't think they should be rushing to move him. Give this more of a chance. I also saying you don't sound all that into the idea of Dennis Smith junior being any sort of real star player in this league. Or is it just too early? I just think it's a little too early. I liked him last year, but this year, obviously things have been different for him. But I think he's twenty one on. And I like it when he attacks remedy gets in sought. I love that sort of stuff. He needs to be a become a bit of shooter in a threat for show, but most guys at twenty one need to develop that. So I I think it's I think if you want to get a better return on EMI's soda need to show him off a little more than than what they're showing right now. He's played forty two games. So far, Dante Chaz, and they're already ready to say we're moving on with him, which I think fine, you know, Lucas gonna be your star. But you need other players around you need other guys who can run or jump because if you trade Dennis Smith junior there's not a lot of athletes left on the Mavericks. You're telling me that they're back court going forward for the future is going to be Luca and Jalen Brunson. You're going to be given up a ton of points. But I don't know. I think it's just too early. I think it's going to be impossible for Dennis Smith to kind of fall into what his role is going to be long-term as an NBA player. He seems like a sixth man, or at least a second guard. He doesn't seem like he's going to be your main guy. But there's no way to know that now there's no reason that the Mavericks need to be chasing going to the playoffs. They're trying to win the title because then you end up in an Anthony Davis situation six years from now where you're like we've traded away so much youth and so much talent. And so many picks trying to be good. And you're not. Gonna get there right away. Lucas nineteen years old take your time. Yeah. That yeah. That's fair. Because right now Smith junior on his contract. He's a controlled asset trolled costs. I guess what I'm saying. Which is you know, there's some benefit to that. But if they also believe, and it could not just be on court, right? This could be his attitude. I guess he's upset with this totally new role. Where Luca comes in Sunday's like, oh, yeah. You're not our point guard anymore. Learn to shoot or you're not going to be playing out there. I mean, that's got to be tough kind of guy that gets us tooth fixed to go on camera for the late. Right. Right. So maybe it's again. Yeah. Maybe it's not just on court. And maybe there is something happening behind the scenes where he's frustrated, and maybe you know, once out just as much as they want to try and the why not nurture him. If that's the case look at what happened Dangelo Russell kind of the same scenario. They brought in Lonzo. They're like you're not going to be our guy anymore. We're we're moving you. Or was that Brandon Ingram the came in? I have lost track of who the Lakers pick number two. So many years in a row, but nonetheless, they said, you're not part of our plans, you're a little bit of a diva we're gonna. Move you. They made some moves. And now Dangelo Russell is good might be an all-star all-star. And that was a thing. Magic didn't like his leadership or is decision. Making again for twenty year old go in the NBA in Los Angeles. It's very very difficult to come in and just be instantly good at that sort of stuff. So it takes a little bit of time to grow into developing. If the Mavericks up on I think it was a ninth pick last year or in two thousand seventeen for Dennis Smith. I mean, that's a that's a big asset. You'll giving up the musket something similar in return value. Otherwise, it's like well that was blue that. This is the best case scenario for desma junior to me like you're saying like wrestle situation where like let's say he goes to Orlando, and he's sort of given the keys to run that team that could be good for sure. You know? And that's one I've been you know, seem thrown out. It's pretty simple trade, but it would be a big for a small in Jonathan Isaac for Dennis Mitchell near what was your crazy was that's not the crazy one second. But what about that that concept of that, you know, Mavs get an athletic big match. Got a lot of those guys could use a guard. You take the flyer on a point guard. Dennis Mitchell, hate it. Love it, whatever Jonathan Isaac doesn't do much. Okay. He takes like, I don't know five shots a game or something like that. And it doesn't seem like he's got a ton of upside offensively. I don't know the way the NBA is going. It seems to me you need more than one guy to dribble not at the same time. There's only one ball, but there's forty eight minutes, and there are other ways to make plays the better. And better Luca gets the more teams are going to be geared towards trying to stop him. Somebody else is going to have to score on the other side. But if you were the magic, you're like, absolutely sure. Yeah. We've needed a point guard for ever since. Yeah. It's been a while. And that is a sort of situation for luck. Russell in Brooklyn that could work for for Dennis Smith. Whereas like, you know, what you got nothing to lose the team's not close to contend and go to couple years to really show out here, and before you become a restricted free agent. You know, go go crazy. We know he's athlete. It's just now whether or not he can sort of policies game a little more. Is there anyone that comes to mind in terms comparisons? Dennis Mitchell this early in his career two seasons in to a to a former NBA player to me. It's like a little bit St Francis. That's his game. Yeah. And I'd like St Francis. Who is actually a better shooter much better shooter pretty early in his career. Once Steve's like usage rate started to soar like his officiency, obviously to to plummet. Yeah. Exactly. You is twenty three in a second year and Dennis Mitchell Twenty-one, but if you look at their like per thirty six minutes because because St Francis would playing many more much more minutes than Dennis Smith junior was like at this point. But per thirty six that really really close basically they were eighteen point per game score over per thirty six. Again, Francis shot the ball better. But assists, were similar and usage even similar to some extent. So yeah, I mean and like St Francis. It was a different era. I guess like almost Dennis Smith junior would be better off in that, you know, sort of era. But I think there's some similarities there now, here's the crazy. When you want the crazy, one don't talk about their time of the grizzlies. Yeah. All right. Okay. Grizzly. This would be under the the idea that they're like, okay. Well, this is dumb. We've got all this money in Conley and Ghazal, and let's just move on. And let's make our franchise. Jaren Jackson junior, and let's get Dennis Mitchell, Peres grizzlies trade Conley and more castle. All right to the Mavericks for Smith junior. Wes Matthews expiring deal. Andy Andrea Jordan's expiring deal so grizzlies save a ton of money, obviously become a completely different team. And then it's now just like the Jaren Jackson junior show, and then I guess Dennis Mitchell, and you get off all that money from your bigs, and then Cubans got a team like that. When theory be obviously, much better. Can't do. It. Luca needs the ball. Can't let Mike Conley dribble now by calling cashew. He's way better off the ball a five companies got two years after this. Is like thirty million a year three three big. It was five in one hundred and fifty I think that's big. Yeah. It's definitely three or two. I think it's three. So you think about that tash wanted to that grizzlies Mavs just completely swapped teams there? Yeah. I can't imagine. Do y'all know anything about people? Do you have any knowledge about basketball give it a shot? Mavs? Sure. Why not they'll be old? That'd be really old real fast. He would like to trade guy. They don't want an expiring contract for two. All stars. I think they would do it. But that's the thing. That's so silly about the narrative that Dennis Smith junior has to have the ball. And we can't take it away from Luca because if my calmly came free and a trade they would do in a second. And they would let my calmly handle the ball quite a bit. But they've Mark assaulted touch the ball time, but simply put they want a better basketball player. I think to be there. Other guards. Well, Carlisle aids like headstrong point guards, he hated Iran. He ran Rondo out of town, and Rondo has turned out to be a decent player since then. But maybe they wanna happens all the time you want a guy who's taller and better defender than you know, six to guy. I know he's listed at six three and who can shoot a new doesn't turn it over. So. Yeah, I'm in a dream world, you'd think he can turn into the Angela Russell, I guess that's a chance, but I'm just saying center. Daniel Russell E could get better. He's should get better. He's a second. You have the ngelo Russell could shoot in the first place, and I guess and the Brooklyn nets situation, I think is is it's under appreciated for how they get players to be better under their system and not every team can do that. But maybe Dennis Smith junior. I think at this point is ceiling looks like a guy a six six men. And that's all right. Maybe St Francis should have been a six man, and he would've played for forty years. It's always tough to tell like a top ten pick. Twenty one I missed a year in high school white one year, call it like, yeah. Yeah. Hey, you're are six man. It's like, no, I'm a top ten BIC at least give me a chance here to prove that I am a starting point. The other thing is when you're trying to trade them. You know, there's not a lot of teams that need a point guard like the magic is one sons need one, but they don't sound interested in this type of point guard and Dennis Mitchell. Who else is there? I mean, I guess the bulls the pistons. Yeah, I mean the pistons wanna move on. Reggie, I don't know. The bowl got Ryan Archie lock down. Top ten picks somebody who's going to trade for them and the Knicks I guess by they've got a bunch of life. Remember? Yeah. That's right. They've already got like a moody. A and then you got Franklin defense that they're trying to figure out is he their star point guard of the. Yeah. As not a lot squads to make a deal, though. I do think he's going to be moved here because I think this whole like keeping them out. Yeah. Is a part of like like you said Lee not to get them anymore injured. But but then you you cost yourself by not showing any faith in him pull. Yeah. Exactly. So keeping them healthy. Yeah. Where will they end up? That's going to be a it's going to be our blockbuster trade deadline deal. Dennis Smith junior top ten pick just two seasons ago. Exactly. It's exactly right. All right. Let's hit the news. Stepping on the beach reading your tweets. You guys are bringing people in the starters at MBA dot com. Hash day the starters on Twitter. I one HALE with D Wade swapping jerseys with everyone in the league and Vince Carter and Yoenis recently swapping threads. I wanted to know what oldie and youngster would you like to see swap jerseys? Also, if you're in the league who would you want to swap jerseys with and you've got to try and avoid obvious players like superstar players like LeBron James. I think that's fair. I would probably rights are writer in here would probably swap jerseys with JV you own a cell in favor of actors players ever. And a dude who I feel it'd be super Chile. This Email from Josh in Chicago. So a big GV fan, and yeah, the two questions there who do you wanna see in the league right now, an oldie in a youngster swap jerseys? And who would you want to get a jersey from who wants to get started? We've been talking a lot about the Mavericks. So I would like to see Dirk and Luca out there before a game or after a game, I suppose just trading jerseys. I mean, it doesn't make sense they're on the same team. But I think we need the symbolic nature of the official passing of the torch the passing of the jersey. Now, we know they each have each other's framed jersey hanging in their house. I don't mind I don't mind it before he got injured. I would like to see JJ Berea, and Ben changed his what you just for the photo opportunities. It's with these gigantic peaky Wilson on with the two fingers on each side holding up the smaller Berea. That plays into why I would trade jerseys with Damian Lillard because the size would be. I mean, it's bigger than me. But not monstrously bigger than me. You always want zero jersey. That's cool. That's unique. He can go play some roulette wearing that and blazers always have a nice color way OS and he's pretty chill, dude. So it would be a chill situation as our key millers. Do you guys have guys that you'd want to get their jerseys from Westbrook because he would take? Start is to chat. Look the same. Nikolay Yokich is mile high city jersey fish is one of my favorite guys, the watch it'd be fun to trade with them. It'd be big anybody. You could wear it by the pool gangster-style hands under the whatever. All right, next one is tweets from at basketball. Nice which NBA player is flying the most under the radar this season. Took a question. I'll go real quick because mine was Dangelo Russell. But we've talked about him for the first half hour show. Never mind. Yeah. He's over the radar. Yeah. I tried to throw him in there when we were doing your portfolio last week when we were talking blue chippers he's actually really done well since Dinwiddie sign these contract extension. I wonder if that was lit a fire under nets have some decisions Jake now the Angeles not making this like easier, and they move move forward for the first month of the season. It was like man care. Sliver could be the future for the nets. It was like he got hurt in this. Wow. Spencer Dinwiddie, he's really doing it up. And now, it's Dangelo roughing. It got some good guys. Who do you who's flying under the radar for either of you guys? Well, I've got to from the kings, buddy. Hit and coke Dan book Denisovich, really, really solid bogey especially shooting the ball. Really? Well, fifteenpoints again enforce is four rebounds. Forty-four percent. Thirty seven percent from deep. Really? I mean, it's a really good situation right now in Sacramento Kings kings, looking good as a nice win on Monday night versus blazers team who were coming off a loss. Right. You know wanted to get that one. Yup. And the kinks took this and like game got a little tight at the end, you know, blazers got it's within five or so and kings had an answer. Yeah. They all they had an answer. In like, you know, I think kings teams of old you would be like, well, there goes that lead that they they just blew and hey, good fight. But you just totally gave away the game at the end. And it wasn't perfect. They had some questionable turnovers. Miss free throws. But ultimately got it done. That was a nice one. I love like I mean, I love the kings there. My my team in the west. I I was joking at the kings and wraps are going to be in the finals. I'm going to love it. But I love like seven or eight guys maybe nine guys on this kings team. I just like them. I like rooting for the I don't know if it's because we've had a couple on the show. I liked the static of them there. And I'm happy for kings fans. I guess to that. Hey, you have a team here. Midway through January. That's a hundred. Yeah. And fun to watch. But just thinks they're playing in the Western Conference. Yeah. That's right. Because they're above five hundred in there on the outside looking in and they're actually not very good playing against Western Conference teams. They're killing the east aren't they really take care of business thirteen eighteen verse Western Conference teams. Well, if they were in the east, obviously, they'd be in the postseason. They'd be in six it'd be Chilin hanging out. So be. Right. Yeah. That'd be the nets in the east. Yeah. I wrote down the entire Pacers team as far as being overlooked because nobody cares that their third in the east. Yup. And they've got a bunch of guys. They also have bogdonovich doing pretty well. And just guys that are performing above their capabilities to this point that I guess they're perceived capabilities, but they're Iraq in it. And again, deeply miss lots of time. So they're doing well, that's a huge part of why kyri starting to freak out here to a little bit. Like, hey, we're in fifth. We are goal is to win a championship. But to obviously, even get there. We can't like be starting on the road in the first round of the playoffs and like go through all these teams on the road, you know being affiliates. You started in that series or a Pacers started in that series? Like, these are good teams. It's not just the raptors we could easily lose to some of these other better teams. I think that's a part of the psyche of like we gotta get a little bit up here in the sand. And so we have some homecourt advantage. And I think he's right because the Pacers is a good one. I like that like that call there are one more. Hey, fellas found you all on YouTube a couple of years ago, and since then have been a regular viewer slash listener. This is John writing in. Here's my question in high school, my girlfriend who's now wife his wife whose name is Nicole played power forward on the school team. And even though I'd often go to her games. I must admit that. I never really understood the game. It was kind of lost. Most of the time. However about three years ago, I got really into the league. And now there's a game on in our house almost every night. I wish I had been the succeeded and interested in basketball back when she was playing so John's question what's something that you came to later in life that you wish you'd found earlier like John wish she had found that love of basketball earlier. So he could have been he could have known what Nicole was doing that in the post. She been doing. A good question. What's something that you came to eight or in life that you've found earlier for me? It's noise cancelling headphones. They really work. Did they exist? Exists for a long time. Nate Dunkin's been wearing them for a long long time Nate, they call them. He blocks out all that noise. I just blocked daddy. Show to two neat and joke. Don podcast. Why isn't Danny part of the title? Oh now that I think. I think they work. I just assumed I don't know. Why assume they'd be a gimmick. They work though. They work very much work. Actually Nate does wear them on planes. And I wore them this weekend on a plane snooze like a baby. Yeah. You do you love the love them on offense. Really where we also lesson. They also lessen the smells on planes. Yeah. For sure I wish trusted them, push trusted, your your. They would heighten your smell. Yeah. But interesting vigneault that part. All right. Well, it's about three because. Discovered it when I was twenty just because it does make a difference. But when you're twenty. Because you obviously you need to warm up. You just turn up and play sport about whatever. But now, it's like I need to do like about three most days a week just to sort of, you know. Just to feel the buddy loosen up. Right. So how often do you do it three to four times a week? Okay. So now our time you so do you and you and you're saying you feel worse than on the days. You don't do it. Sluggish more rigid. Yes. Yes. It it really oils the body, mentally and physically. True. Absolutely. Does you feel great? It's your at your Cup of coffee Cup of coffee for your buddy. Three copy for your body. Arguably a Cup of coffee is also, but you didn't wish you discovered Kombucha early. How did you say the first Khumbu? Cha cha. Well, apple cider vinegar. I'd like to out of that's my dog twenty twenty. I'll be I'll be feel like this forever. That's right. Trae, I know, you know, been arguing a lot lately, but our preferences. But I bought apple cider vinegar. And I don't really understand it. But I'm taking it taking a drink and drink it up. You're going to be feeling great. You're going to get sick less. You're going to trim down. I mean, your body's already looking tight going to even tighter those CG's. They're gonna come in by summer very excited. Just understanding. And what do you what am I supposed to be doing with it? One teaspoon. One tablespoon in a glass of water. I'm not about the measuring these days. I just wake up more days about an inch or so fill up the rest of the glass with water. You're drinking about twelve ounces of water chugging not anymore. Sometimes you makes a little Honey. And if your voices feeling scratchy or you just want to sweeten it up, but you drink it. And then you just go about your day coffee after one finger of apple cider, backer. Yeah. Sure. Okay. I also consumed some content last night. I just want you to know. I love it apple content vinegar over here. What about you? Being outside. Like going outside as a child and then. I don't know eighteen to twenty eight I didn't like it outside because I hadn't mastered the sunscreen natural fibers short shorts triumph of keeping chilling the summer. But once you figure that out. Being outside is cool. Right. And when we first moved here, you weren't even the of the heat of the definitely not. I would have been winter over summer for basically my whole life. But now living here where it's hot all the time. I'm somewhere over winter. I'm never going back. Fantastic. Fantastic. Answers guys a little bit. You. I don't know something. I wish I found earlier in life. I guess similar to you like maybe the running getting into running. But I actually at the same time. Like, I feel like I found it at the perfect point in my life. I thought he might have started to break down if you'd been. Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly the last twenty years. I'm not sure didn't dip into that book yet. Matt, by the way, thank you for that. What's called let your mind run? Let your mind run Dina caster. Good one. All right. Let's take a we'll get to top five here in a second. Let's take a quick break. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. 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But these are your top five fast food items for for a feat for a feast. Okay. We're not just going to be having like, I'm gonna go grab a Big Mac and eat it. Okay. We're talking candles. We're talking lit candles. We're talking expensive plates that you're setting your cardboard on. So number five, it's a specific feast a morning feast of breakfast, sandwiches, you show up. There's a whole bunch of breakfast sandwiches there. You're like let me holler at some sausages. Maybe I'll get a bake it. Yeah. That might be you might have that too low because nice. Yeah. But you don't the timing is tough the timing of stuff. You've got to have a morning fees. But I think we'll be having a morning breakfast sandwiches tomorrow so lucky. Oh, yeah. Shoot. Usually do get some sort of breakfast spread. So I'm picturing this correctly are the sandwiches unwrapped on on the platter. The metal platter. Interesting. I was thinking them wraps. Yeah. They sometimes I rapped cotton Inhofe or something. So you'd rather than snap as they call them at a breakfast sandwich. So those are rare generally giggles. Rap. Yeah. Number four Tana tacos bunch of tacos lined up. You choose your tacos, you wanna have good. And I also feel like a Taco Bell taco when it gets cold. It's fair. It's fair. It's not it's not such a high peak that falls to a low low just kind of stays right in the middle of their lives machine. Number three bucket of fried chicken classic for a high school sports banquet. They would have like so many buckets chicken lined up. You know, the various sides your mashed potatoes law. Everybody has a piece you can eat a bucket of chicken for a long time. Yeah. I prefer. KFC chicken cold too. So I got no problem with it. Is it a Canadian thing to bring a bucket of chicken tool? Bob accu- because. Founding. In toronto. A lot of times. I'd get above someone ton up with a bucket of chicken. We'll do that all these chicken when he was in university. He wants left of bucket of KFC chicken under his bed. I saw it like four days later. I was like did you infrigement that and put it back there? No problem. There you go. No problem doing that. But I've never seen that. I don't think I've seen someone show up at a barbecue. With like, if you're you're saying barbecue are actually someone is grilling. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a summary sorta thing like you gotta bring something. Well, it's almost bringing the FBI. Yes. We'll bring a bucket sort of brilliant, though, gives you an alternative. What's on the grill? It is a a rule though. That's the thing. That's like off menu. Is the thing that everyone's gonna wanna like if we if you go to the cottage, let's say and everyone's like, okay, you guys are in charge of this meal. You guys are in charge of that meal and everyone's like, actually cooking. Yeah. And then someone shows up with a bucket of chicken, guess what people are eating away. It's great for a walk by grab. You know? You're like, oh, there's a little leg in there. I just regret that two toss a bone later. Number two. I didn't hear anyone guessed the answer was. Number two perhaps controversial. That's why it's at number two. Not number one. Is it a fast food? I don't know pizza. Pizza fast food. Yes. Number two is pizza. Yeah. I mean, like dominoes. Yeah. Sure. For sure you're not talking about a free pizza and fast food, but a whole bunch of pizzas lined up. You're living the lifestyle. I mean, ironically, if you're using a hot wood-burning oven pizza is the fastest cooks in like, forty seconds. It's a great point. Yeah. I actually actually shadow to LeBron James. That's the whole the whole business model for blaze pizza, which is a fast food. No doubt. No doubt. Too fast food is that for the first time over the right? I hate to do this guys. But this is a remix moving down to number two from number one. The votes are in now number two chicken nuggets, a whole bunch of chicken nuggets set out on your coffee table, or maybe on your in, you know, your entertainment center. Yeah. Everybody going up grabbing those damps dip and dip and dip and dip and bucket of chicken chicken nuggets. Number one. Now is pizza. Not the chickens together. It's my only weird thing with that. We did that for the Super Bowl tastic shot at the Jarrett. He showed up at like one hundred fifty nuggets. Was like it was awesome. Yeah. But I prefer like a cold drumstick from Kathy than I do prefer cold chicken mcnugget while right? I mean, I don't know. He's telling me jigger the list. Number three, number two bucket of fried chicken. Number was pizza pizza that sounds right. Sounds right to pizza one. Because it's the nice variation to that you like, okay. This one's just. Yeah. Cheese. This one's veggie or whatever. This one's got all the meat on it. I like that you got that variety basically to pick from and it's simple. Thanks for talking me through guests. What's the problem with that? I I would say the taco is is in and of itself street style food. Why are you telling me we're bringing tacos up into the top three? That's. No way, a great taco could be quote, unquote, fast food. You know what I'm saying? Where's like the greatest, you know, burger or pizza's not going to be close here. It's not gonna be Domino's. I'm just saying you just cook the pizza and a wood burning oven. Well, there's fancy there's like there's bur- a burger is fast food. But you could also get a really good burger kind of takes it make right? But I would say the best taco could be like a a quick and dirty streets doubt. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm putting those number one. Okay. Gotcha. It's I guess what? I'm saying. It's like we're talking hold on. Hold on the promise. He said, this is a feast how many places have you gone. And there's a taco spread that popular tried to do it at New Year's. But the place was closed when pizza instead, and and people would have been much more thrilled talk. And. I stopped by controversial controversial lot of moving up and down at the college football season. Yeah. I like that a lot. All right. Let's get to some NBA trivia here with another quiz. Just the damn question. Into the damn question. NBA trivia time. This is via our friends at hoops hype. They do a good job on their Twitter account with hashtag guest, the NBA player trivia, we've done this before I'll give give you guys a bunch of questions here starting general. And then getting more specific you tell me the player when you have figured it out just yell it out. All right. I glue here. He averaged eighteen point three points per game on forty five percent shooting his rookie year St Francis. He did some scoring. No not St Francis. Klay thompson. Incorrect. Next clue he is quite serious about bowling. Chris Paul know who another bowler. Chris Paul is the notable is. Yeah. That would be giving it away number two. Donovan Mitchell, not Lowery, not Mitchell. Eighteens a lot very much what he fought. What he fought third clue he wanted the teammate of the year ward in two thousand sixteen the twin Stokes Vince cop, Vince Carter. Thais? Yes, prising got it that early. He had played. He's played for eighteen. He's averaged twenty four points over his first ten seasons. He plays the sex. Yeah. We last made an NBA team in two thousand one. Wow. I have a long time ago. Mid two in his first three years, and then didn't make any more. So you only made it to me too. Yeah. And there's some more closer name is eight teams quick in order. Toronto New Jersey, Orlando Phoenix. That's right. Memphis, Dallas emphasis sacrimento Atlanta. Correct. All right. We've got another one here from hoops set. All right. He averaged twenty three point two points per game in forty two games in the D league. Okay. A little different little different here k twenty twenty three twenty three points. Forty two. Okay. Yeah. Probably doesn't matter. But he's playing the delete. So that's a that's a sign. Yeah. Not the league, right? Interesting. Well, not the NBA either. So he he's not a top pick. He's represented by see a great interested. Leila's he's making ten point five million this season. Ten point five. Thaddeus, young, no? Interesting. Replacement deal. Tough one these contracts. He makes. Next clip. He went undrafted. This is. Terrence Ross was drafted. Top ten he's no Dennis Smith. But he's Terrence Ross top ten. Seven. Amanda. Drafted Andre draft Elvis. The DC G league has found his way way to see a he did. Next clip. Yeah. He only had two scholarship offers in high school. It's like give it away. Probably not Fred vanfleet. No to guess, though. Good. Yes. Undrafted. And he's making close close. Yeah. A little less. He has played for three NBA teams. Are we going to get those who thought we were going to get those teams? That'd be probably get it. Three teams JJ Berea. No good. Guess. He played college at Tennessee State. Robert Covington Robert Covington is correct. Nice Tennessee staters, right? What's what's their mascot? Not in the volunteers volunteers normal, Tennessee, the mandatory can you name is his first team because obviously Houston played a year, and then the wolves. Yeah. There you go. I like those ones there are a lot of fun awhile change up. All right. Great trivia, let's end this bad boy here with a little rapid fire. And made his return to San Antonio on Monday night as a member of the Charlotte Hornets after playing seventeen seasons for the Spurs prior to the game, he told ESPN's Michael c right? They really didn't take me seriously that I was going to leave. When have you told someone you really going to do something only for them not to believe you pass while I was having an issue with my cell phone provider. Billing issues wasn't getting the proper discounts. Been doing it for over a month. And at some point I got those done with it over the phone. I got very frustrated. I told the person over the phone. All right. Give me the the re- customer retention department. Because I've been through this before I'm going to cancel all my services. I'm done. I was not canceling services. I was just trying to pull the car come on. We've been going. I don't think you're doing that. He called me. He told me really. And then so many. On so many words and his breath. Did you eventually get to always sure did? Escape goes way back when when I was a we ll add I told my friends and family that I was going to throw a New Year's Eve party to make money like sell tickets to make money to go to Australia. And everyone's like, yeah, you're probably not going to do that. It's not like I was I was not hosting house parties at my house regularly. But I convinced my parents to do it. And then we went all in. We have laminated tickets and everything that was crazy and a lot of overhead a couple thousand bucks. Really? Yes. So I was it was great though. This is my last year high school, and I was nineteen. So I could legally drink obviously, there's a ton of Andrea people come into drink. It's a New Year's party the cop showed up like ten to midnight shut it down like half of my friends where aid. So we were like now, we're not going anywhere. So we were five we had to kick out everybody. Trey they didn't have the greatest news. It was called selenium, by the way. Very cool. We're still living in the palladium. I don't think any you guys believe me that I would go and dance on stage with Rick Fox for his birthday. But they're shaking my during after dark with Rick Fox. It was fun miss you. Rick. After criticising his teammates following Saturday's loss to the Atlanta. Magic on Monday Cario having walked back his comments and said sometimes I might come off and say things and one thing I wanna do is questioned. My teammates in public like that. Every what's something you've done that. You'll never do ever. Again. Tass owning a real Christmas tree down with it. I don't wanna cut down tree provides oxygen for the world. No. I just want to deal with the mess afterwards. Fakey quick and easy skeets go. I love a good tree though. Dealing a sense. Can't you buy that sent? Now, we have that. That's not the. What's something? I've done. I'll never do. Again. Magic mushrooms in Copenhagen. Yeah. You're an Amsterdam. I guess that's. Tracy was answer. Damn you're right. But we were in Copenhagen at one point during that, I'm still. I'm still confused. But I won't do it again. And that's the problem. There's a deadandcompany show coming in June. If you wanna. I don't know. Who knows what it was? I mean, I know what it was. It was magic mushrooms way too, many of them. But yeah, I won't be doing those trae from sixth grade through eighth grade. I had my hair straightened all the time. We go into the salon and have my hair chemically straightened burning my forehead, they were using why? And I would just get scalded on my face. Also, I could have straight hair. But that was how the bulk was supposed to look. Rocket Senate Clint Capella is likely at four to six weeks after suffering ligament damage to his right thumb in addition to missing games, the time on the sidelines means Capella may miss incentive clauses in his contract, which could cost him up to two million dollars. Win has an injury youths off at caused us to miss out on something like an event or work opportunity or something such such thing important tests, while I almost missed my good friend Dave sets wedding after I broke my leg, but it rolled into the Bredow party in a wheelchair. And I was so pumped I did like a semi Huili. Not on purpose. I fired in there. And I was off the ground, and I got really worried that it was going to break something else. But I landed and I was fine. Yes, was tough. I couldn't really think of an injury that took me out of something completely. But similar to tasks one that almost did. I don't know if you guys remember this when we first started working at the score. It was like maybe within the first week or two I rolled my ankle. Very very badly. The worst I'd ever rolled it playing basketball. It was huge. Posting a full my foot was gigantic like it's had swollen up that much and someone let me borrow crutches and stuff like that. So I still made my way into work, but it was like the first rea- of working at the score. And luckily, I just worked down the street. So I think that was a part of it. I just hobbled my way there, but I didn't remember off the top. Then I remember the photo looking at that photo. I thought it was on metric magic mushrooms looking at them. It was. It was crazy. Trae senior high school our school started late. So we had one football game before the season started. We had big plans to play our football game cake some bought and then go rage afterwards. I made attack on the second half had to go to the hospital and get stitches amidst all the raging. So now every time I look down in my hands. I was like man could have been at Ryan Jetsons pool heart. That was a classic deal man classic for days. Hopefully that was a classic rapid-fire. Classic addition of the drop you tell us if you subscribe to the show on apple podcast, please consider leaving us a five star rating. Leave us a review really helps us out. You can join us tonight. It's Tuesday on NBA TV at six PM eastern three D coming on grill. Daddy, going to be here talking to grill. Daddy, uncle splash. Where is he tonight seeing where are the games on MBA? 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Raising An Upstander- Podcast #501

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Raising An Upstander- Podcast #501

"They were moving much do do do do do do we might have thought this is danny welcome back to another episode is in parenting radio this is podcasts number five hundred in one while it is in parenting radio because you'll feel outstanding and who doesn't wanna pay outstanding and always remember motto which is the best predictor of a child's wellbeing is he parents self understanding a on today's show what we have a title of the show what do we call it were calling it raising an up stander raising an upstanding why are we calling the title of this podcast raising it upstairs we're gonna call it that because we're gonna talk about what it means divvying up stander were gonna talk about the bystander moment which is in the movie were screening on tuesdays and we're gonna do that by talking about the book missoula by jon krakauer so we're gonna try unlike discuss all three things obviously the most specific civic thing like what's up stander movements 'em it's a lot about bowling to we're gonna talk more specifically about sexual assault but these ideas end the way to raise a child who has an understanding of what it means to be an up stander it are the same dale were just gonna use missoula and this book as are like you know it's the the points were gonna make so go ahead before he gone we turn up my earphones just a little bit 'cause i'm kind of a better much better thank you so you mentioned the so this podcast is getting released on tuesday july ninth if you're hearing it on tuesday july ninth and you happen to live in chicago we are doing a free screening of a movie called the bystander moment the cat they just talked about 'em it's free it's at seven o'clock would love to see if you if you as it be elmhurst public library if you don't love in chicago you can get this film pretty easily and i will include a link to the show notes but this is a quick thirty five second blurb it's produced by jackson cats who's one of my heroes 'em talks a lot about equality in a statement ism and things like that and this is a quick thirty seconds from the trailer when people hear the word bystander they think about how people don't act when they see someone in arrest on the street down in the bystander black and white man let people walk down line they're the least individuals that are standing around watching it and know what it intervening but the problem with talking about the bystander in fact is that that had the stranger you're seeing something happening strangers on the street when we talk about the bystander approach we're not talking about strangers on the street but talking about known pure cultures were talking about when they're in pure clubs where they know people why don't they have to heightened ohio health plan when you're old girl okay good enough so i got some i got a quite a few guys from a men's group they're gonna show up they're bringing their teenage sons and daughters i'm bringing are two teenage daughters yeah it's only an hour long in the discussion about it so that kind of sets kevin i didn't know if we wanna talk about this today 'em but there's too many reasons you just finished the book has the yeah like a few a bunch of things came up there were some things in the news the just recently came up about a sexual still assault case i happened to be rating missoula over 'em this fourth of july week end finally 'cause i'd been a hearing about it for a long time and i wanna read it and also the fact there were screening this movie 'em it just made sense and really the goal of it is not to sensationalize the stories were gonna tell or it's not about being gratuitous her it's about if you have we can't do anything about these issues intel we believe there's an issue and we believe there's something up stand for you because right now i don't know why sexual assault is a political issue 'em because i don't know why anybody thinks it's like somebody against somebody it it's eight 'em crime end it is it crime that is you know this statistic around how often somebody reports and whether or not their report is considered 'em false the statistic stick is exactly the same for any other crime meaning like if someone is sexually assaulted the likelihood that they're going to a lie about it is between two and ten percent that's the same for someone who says their houses broken into their car has been stolen 'em that you know any number of other someone is hurt them beat them up its exact same stat 'em yet this is c only 'em issue that we have were actually the victim of a crime ends up being more a being put through the ringer out what happened to them blaze has blamed thank you a better word then put through the ringer 'em because of these false belief systems we have done i've done plenty of shows about me to we've done plenty funniest shows about sexual assault this is something that's a big part of our work because we are lucky enough 'em in are situation the tide gets to work with men and i get to work with women so we have disability the come together and talk about things from both perspective well in our i'll say is you know i think this would be a big deal regardless of my family situation that i have three daughters were one of which is gonna enter the university system at some point in the next few years 'em but it it just holds a very important piece in my life and that's part of the reason that drives me to work with men in helping guys understand what it means to be a man and just kind of like a healthy man healthy man healthy be masculine men and 'em so there's there's some very personal reasons why i think it's a very important topic and here's the thing you guys if i had three sons i would be justice motivated to do this work this isn't about if you've got a son or daughter there i have so many men in my life that i love this is not about i have daughters there from gonna protect him that see old model the new model is is i am going to educate my daughter's about what's right and wrong for them about their ability to make choices for themselves about their ability to 'em you know they get to choose for themselves what's right and they could just speak up and they say if something happened to them but i work with you know my college students you know in my nephew end my daughters friends end all and you know men gutter are age so many men did i care about that i want them to understand too that they can make different choices this isn't just about let's teach girls how to take care of themselves we have to on both sides come to an agreement an understanding of how we are affecting each other because if we don't if we think this is you against me you're trying to take me down and i'm trying to take you down it just give me a war so can you do if you're the disclaimer so we talked about 'cause then i wanna reach some stats that i got out of some summaries of this book and the disclaimers are not just women who get a self so we always have to do this because we you know it it's actually interesting that i'm about to do this 'cause it frustrates shot and i little bit when every interview starts with all these disclaimers but they're necessary because for a really long time we've been unable able to have this conversation because people get super defensive really quick which i understand if it's a little you know it if you don't have all the information then you assume people are coming after you here's the thing both women and men get raped both women and men get molested 'em there are women that have been perpetrators before all true okay but some of it in in maybe you're gonna reach some of these statistics and i don't wanna steal your thunder here but just to be clear ninety one percent of the victims of rape and sexual assault are women so why i say that is because i'm not denying the nine percent of men that are because we know some of them and it's justice painful and they had the exact same experience of ptsd and trauma and sometimes even more so because his men it also threatens their masculinity right i get that but we gotta look at the details of this and no and the numbers and know that ninety one percent are women year end ninety one you know so anyway so go hunt so i'm just gonna bullet point these stats are okay go ahead in college yes it says one in five women get raped this is a one in five women and one in seventy seventy one men will be raped at some point in their life okay a lot just a college and then should we differentiate between rape and assault 'em well different state by state okay because like in missoula would it be a little bit more ambiguous but if a safer stat one in five college women will get sexually assaulted correct because it has a lot to do with penetration by the way everybody will this backup for a second backup backup backup backup if you can't already tell by the content were talking about if you are listening with their kids right now this is probably one of those episodes that if you have a a teenager i think it's really important that if you're listening with her four year old you may not you may wanna save this one for when you're cleaning the kitchen or when you're on a run so just f y so moving on to what you were just asking is it's a form of penetration so like one of the women in missoula 'em who who was raped and it fell under the category of rape because of veterans yes it was it was digital yeah okay so it was not somebody raped her and it was intercourse but it was digital and it was extreme yeah you it was it was extraneous so that is still sexual assault and that was called rape in their states got so that's why we can't it's different in okay shape second one eighty percent a of rape is committed by an acquaintance correct in eight out of ten cases of rape victim knew the person who assaulted them eighty percent don't report to the police i have very similarly eighty one percent of women in thirty five percent of men 'em do not report less than five percent are ever prosecuted yes i have the exact same stan less than three percent ever face jail time convictions so meaning the perpetrator i need yeah not the victim ninety seven percent of the perpetrators get away scot free correct and then eighty percent of rapes eight i think i said this yet eighty percent of rape survivors do not report to the authorities so those are my staff end as far as going back to college campuses since were talking about missoula love is more than ninety percent of sexual assault victims on college campuses do not report so we're in everyday life eighty percent and that probably includes college campuses i'm sure that everybody but on a college campus ninety percent don't report so just for clarification 'cause i don't know if we really presented this very well on the book were referring to is jon krakauer book it's called missoula rape and the justice system in a college town he wrote in twenty fifteen 'em were big fans of john crack our pre what am i favored others innocent air into the wild under the banner of heaven amongst a few others yes and i'll say this just for people who have some knowledge about this book he got a lot of pushback about it a the town didn't like it they felt like they were being 'em feminized demonized when the truth is they don't really have the highest rates in the country a little bit less than average which was his point in that if this town has this many struggled to end their percentages a little lower the reason he chose this college town is because this his his reporting on this started with someone in his family or someone very close to him who would still struggling with rape ten years after it happened he didn't understand this he says he you know said i didn't understand why she's still struggling with rape ten years afterwards he didn't understand how it affects psychology so he started investigating for his own likely in understanding yes he wasn't trying to research a book at the time and he he ran across a story from zillow about a girl that opens the book named allison who there is a her best friend from childhood rapes her and an it's her story of how it evolved which is basically the whole first chapter of the book and he got really interested in this story and then when he started looking into missoula where this happened he realized that like over the last two or three years maybe even four years there were three hundred and fifty sexual assaults that had been reported right and only like ten or fourteen team that had been in any way prosecutor and i don't even know what the result was so he was like what is going on right so that's how it all started 'em so i just wanna to be other pushback he got was that a lot of the people in the book claim that he didn't talk to them and he if you watch any interview with him reid anything he's like i i talked to everybody is a very thorough investigating author reporter whatever exactly and so i've just trying to say that for someone who's like oh i heard this and this about this book tonight did some pretty deep investigation about the history of this book we've listened to a lot of the interviews read a lot of the reports an end 'em you know there's no way i could say it's a hundred percent accurate is but i feel as if it's eight a well researched book yes exactly so should i play a clip where do you wanna start 'em let's see why don't you start will just start the conversation all right so this is a john crack hardly author was getting interviewed on cbs this morning and this is just a quick minute or so from that interview of rape in this country and there's all these missed it if if if a woman is being raped she'll fight to the death you know she didn't prove she must have wanted it well that's nonsense women there's many reasons the trauma being penetrated in most private parts another person is so different and other kinds of trauma that it changes the brain chemistry there's good science irrefutable science and what other cases the woman who after she was raped she drove the rape is home right which police in used against her that's right the the defense attorneys for the quarterback you said against her but in fact the psychologist who is an expert witness decorative lisa pointed out that that's pretty common east la just that kind of so the question is why do they do it why do men rate is about power control or is it about it's about canoes melby irony of that question sweeter so the person who is speaking there so is gayle king mhm andy then the person has such question with charlie rose who has been accused of sexual harassment and correct yeah i don't know if they were sexually so why would a woman who just got raped hurts drive the perpetrator own so here's the thing that we don't understand this is why it's really important for educators therapists parents don't understand trauma okay because trauma does not look look the way we think it looks 'em trump we were in a position of of being harmed okay like you are being harmed in some way or you feel that you are under attack we forget that there are actually three responses not just to you we all we say fighter flight and okay you're either gonna fight or you're gonna run we forget the third response which is freezing yeah okay and this is all through nature and human beings do this all the time and i think men and women both can think about times when they froze like let's take let's take it off sexual assault you're standing in the street in cars coming towards you sometimes you free train is coming you freezers like these are basically it's a shutdown down of your prefrontal cortex where there's so many chemicals because of you're fear and because of what's happening and because of your brain's ability to wrap up its mind literally around what's happening to you that you do nothing and this is like eight a very typical response of someone who is being molested someone who is being raped someone who's in the middle of being mugged like i i know a few people who have been mugged who have been like they they could have run and they didn't yup you know they literally are standing there and it's not a thought process there is something about the brain and a lot of it is you know you if you reid about this you'll get a lot of you know different scientists and you know therapists and neurobiology just explaining why and and what chemicals are going on but a lotta times with the women i talked to they fear getting hurt more by saying something by stopping it a lot of girls who are being raped like in their sleep or win someone thinks at their past out will allow it to continue meaning they're not allowing anything they just shut down yet because they're more fearful of stopping it because it that they think there'll be harmed more their thought processes if i do something right now in this person is willing to do this to me while i'm asleep what are they gonna do to me if i tell them to stop so you just gave a really good explanation of why 'em hey somebody who just assaulted her rape somebody that the victim would dr the person home to it i didn't talk about that what you and i talk about and so i'm talking about in the midst of the crime the okay so the next thing is a women have also been taught to not make waves to to 'em make sure everybody around them feels okay about what just happened there is like i remember a story we told about a six months ago a year ago about when amy schumer came out and said she had been raped by a boyfriend of hers that she was sexually sleeping next you they hadn't slept together yet and she woke up and he was having sex with her and she said that after it was over and he kind of he felt bad and she sued him and she like was like she made him feel she made him feel better and i understand how in a courtroom that could be ripped apart part but understanding trauma it makes complete sense to me you know if anybody is and and i keep using this as an example only because i think it's doing such a good job of portraying a realistic domestic abuse situation but we've been talking about big little live you can have the crap beat out of you and then hug that person as you fall asleep if you've ever worked with us you know women or men who have been abused in this way it's it's not straightforward are brain has a traumatic response our emotional and what we've been taught by society so i can see someone saying okay this thing just happened to me 'em i need to get this person out of here as soon as i can i'll drive in the home yeah okay taylor the next part so now they're safe from harm right why in the world wouldn't victim instantly go to the police to make sure this gets investigated and they get prosecuted for it okay because of the stats that you've already offered which it's different in every state but it's always around that ninety seven percent they have watched other people come forward they have heard other people's stories about not being believed by the police they have heard people who maybe have gotten through that hurdle of the police and then found themselves in a courtroom and then they get taken to task for what happened i keep saying taken the test and they get blamed for what happened they you know basically the questions are what were you doing what were you drinking what were you wearing so they know that's gonna happen and they know that the thee rate of the person who 'em attacked them or who victimized some of them facing any consequences minimal now that's actually what i think is a third tier thing i think the first year thing is i have to figure out what just happened to me sometimes it takes people a really long time i've had women in my office who have told me a story about being sexually assaulted and they didn't use that language which and then when they told me the whole story and said it out loud i have said do you understand that what happened to you and they have the realization that they were raped her sexually assaulting a woman in you're offering up before exactly and that's been with teams or i should say college students end 'em well in teams unfortunately i have heard from some and then women who are in their forties who were telling me a story of being twenty core like holy crap i was raped right but their brain because of the trauma any immense impact any ability to do anything about it categorized it somewhere else not only categorize it somewhere else but internally blamed themselves and shame to themselves so it and it became something not only did they not go to the police which is kind of the third tier thing sure they also decided it was their fault that even happen and carried a quick quote times because i found this quote to be like the most powerful way to say this okay so this quotas by jessica valenti who wrote the purity mess and she said now should we treat women as independent agents responsible for themselves of course but being responsible has nothing to do with being raped women don't get raped because they were drinking and took drugs women do not get raped because they weren't careful enough women get raped because someone raped them i i mean that we we do we have all this fingerpointing about if she would have worn something different if she hadn't been drunk if she had stayed with her friend if she hadn't slept there if she hadn't trusted this guy some buddy did it regardless of her alcohol level well end is i found this a interview between and this is an nbc news thing in there is eight news reporter who's interviewing one of the victims that is identified in columbus zoo the book and a well why didn't you scream out why didn't you fight back this person is already willing to rape you it's hard to imagine what they would do you know what they wouldn't do the stop you from telling people so those were the two people in the beginning of the book that i told you about alison imbo in that story after she has that exact experience where he's raping her she he she's honored and thirty pounds he's two hundred and thirty one pounds he's a football player and she is it she wakes up when it's happening and she's scared to death her brain is is stuck a she's freezing and she's also feeling as if if i do something right now what could possibly happen you may thirty doing this exactly what's to say they won't take the next step and take it up you know if you could make it worse i guess you order i could rail in another way he's already hurting everybody could hurt her another way and she ended up running away she ends up like when everything is over and she thinks in he thinks she's sleep she ends up leaving and running and he ends up running after her now she feels like he's running after her she's thinking to himself he's gonna kill me he's gonna kill me because that's where her brain is is into radio prefrontal cortex is reptilian brain so correct now what he was actually saying to her was stop allison i didn't mean to 'em i'm sorry he realizes he realized that he did you know so you know once she was able to sit and tell the whole story she could hear the words he was saying but she just felt as if he's gonna kill me now let me say something in the middle of this so we don't lose people when we talk about these things what i think todd in my hope always is and why were screening this movie on to stay in why we want to not only educate educate women about how to take care of themselves but men about 'em what consent is end sometimes what they believe is okay which is not okay their own kind of privilege and entitlement not i'm not saying that men are privileged entitled i'm sometimes they're taught they can be sure this makes sense of course tonight you're not like let's throw a bunch of boys in jail right this is not about prison sentences and locking them up for thirty years michael is let's get to kids before this happened right let's teach them about what they can do differently it's not about end result in punishment if you listen is on parenting radio were actually much bigger fans of communication in education than punishment which is exactly why were you know i i'm hoping thing that we get some people there that you know it's probably a little too 'em it's the content is probably not good for anybody on twelve and under but it's about having these really important conversations with this be a kid's earlier because to try to convince an eighteen year old or twenty eight year old there thirty year old you know jackson cats who produces movie it's about the rape culture and he talks about the top of the pyramid is you you know in just blatant rape and then the bottom of the pyramid is 'em you know what is it that were teaching about you know if there's a boy that gets a accused of throwing like a girl and that's a bad thing what is it saying about says while road a calling girls slots bitches hose 'em you know like todd said assuming that there is a hierarchy that men are just inherently better than women and also the belief and this is kind of the belief in the incell movement tonight i don't know if we've talked about that but it's something that todd and i talk about a lot of in title like talk to you more about what the in some movement is but a lot of the belief behind it which i think a lot of people kerry but maybe aren't as upfront her obvious about their belief is that women old men if if a woman says she's interested in you that she desires you that she's hot for you that she may even say i wanna have sex with you that if that has been said then demand gets to follow through no matter what an end when i'm saying that the court system has has even up held that you that if you said you wanna have sex with him outside if you got inside and said no and he didn't listen you already told him and he thought you did so he was entitled have sex with you that's something we gotta break apart like that belief system that men are entitled to get something they thought they were gonna get end the belief is that a man can't stop i don't know how many shows we've done about this that's completely not true of course american stop you of course they can end now why that's important is women have the right to have desire and you know what i mean there's a woman has a right to to be attracted to a man and to demonstrate interest of a man in a man or woman 'cause this is not gender specific but with john and i are talking specifically about you know we talked about ninety one percent of women 'em or ninety one percent of rapes are of women you know i'm i am being more gender specific in this conversation i guess but you know i'm sidetracking a little bit but it's something i really wanna bring in here as elizabeth gilbert has a new book out called city of girls and i've been really interested not only in the book but in all of her interviews about it because lists gilbert is a huge advocate for women's rights she's a feminist always has been a she's taken a really nontraditional pass with her life you know she it's a that's a long story but her book city of girls is about women's desire yeah and that it's okay and then it's not something we should be ashamed of or shamed for and she totally gets the me too movement understands that respects it wants it to 'em continues fars opening up in conversation and making sure world educated but she doesn't want her goal the city of part of the city of girls part of it was just read a good book but what's remember that women have desire to but that doesn't mean someone gets to take from them because of their desire well and it goes back to you're quote i mean i i never heard that quote yeah a from the beginning of the book yeah but the simplicity is 'em it's so it's so funny how quickly we can get lost in the detail correct alcohol try and even in some of the interviews i listen to his krakauer he's like i don't wanna talk about alcohol yeah because alcohol izzy mechanism is that these perpetrators users are weapon it's something that they used both and themselves and trying to get their counterparts as drunk as possible so the they're less aware of what's going on so just prepare quote me one more trips with yeah it's really powerful i think i even read it to you and we're in galena 'cause i was like jesus is that right now and this is really important part of what i'm saying about lives gilbert's messaging in any feminist message which we have the right to are desire and and if we want to have sex if there's consensual sex you know that's okay this is not a problem so the quote starts now should we treat women it's independent agents responsible for themselves yes of course but being responsible has nothing to do with being raped women don't get raped because they were drinking are took drugs women do not get raped because they weren't careful enough women get raped because someone raped them yeah yeah and it's just so funny how confused we get how as a society or the justice system where the police department or whatever it is and the bottom line is that in most cases ninety one percent of the perpetrators are men and they they made a decision whether coherent or not but they were gonna take what they thought was there that is not even close to there's correct end in they have been taught by society that it is there's and that they're entitled to it they have been taught that if a woman in tyson's you aware zillow cut shirt or you know shows her body or says the cheese into you says she's hot for you that means you have sex with her there is nothing true in there and there is women it in for that matter have a right to be a sexual being read without being taken advantage of in the process and people you know i hope or passes by now but people will say well freshly gonna communicate while whereabout have sex or you know it's gonna ruin the process every step of the way there should be consent consent is this where we're going is this okay is this all right are you know there is eight and when you are when a woman is asleep passed out and you're having sex with them it's obvious that they're not aware of what's occurring this is how we shift the culture this is why we have to have these conversations with our young men andrew young women to make this normalize this conversation in this documentary hurry is called 'em the bystander moment because you know because most of the time a bystander somebody's sitting watching something happen well and they you know in the movie in the documentary it talks about you know the harvey weinstein's of the world kevin spacey's of the world 'em lucy case of the world and they focus on that because we all know those dreams right and they focus on the fact that it wasn't just them there were people around him who knew what they were doing if if anyone saw the r kelly documentary you know you everybody in his entourage knew what he was doing not only did they not say anything they sometimes helped him with the process and so they may not be doing it well air bystander hollywood affect with these movie stars that are being held accountable for some of their actions is is fine in it's important but 'em i think sometimes it's easier to disregard it because were not close the hollywood stars yes what but the first you know stat we said to you you know i have three daughters my buddy has four daughter yeah odds are one of them is gonna be assaulted in college so here's a conversation tonight had in the car other day we were talking about this a maybe not specific about this a statistic but you were talking about this issue because 'em eight out of ten 'em people who were raped or raped by an acquaintance okay so think about that so there's only two stranger danger rapes you're out of town so eight of these people are people people that the person's either dating her they know sometimes it's spouse so rape yes rates can occur within a marriage 'em so that's kind of what's going on so time they were talking about some people we know a you know we grow up with i went to school with their wherever we know stories about the under not only do we know stories because maybe we're president for something or because i have people i know who told me 'em i know a lot of stories about people who that i loved by who you know have have had experiences 'cause they've shared with me as a therapist my point in saying that is that a lot of the people that are involved or the person who perpetrated the crime or who raped this person were good i'm gonna use this word just so people understand were good guys you guys you'd see out and give him a hug and be like hey you know you could socialize with him and study with some they weren't out there with a mask and a knife they just didn't know if i'm not gonna let them off the hook they thought they could do that yeah well and we say that i think they can do that sometimes it's the whole culture and i wasn't a fraternity system in the early nineties end it was we didn't even second guess that be that we tried to get the girls at her party drunk not necessarily to go rape them but you're more likely to have a chance at hooking up with them and some time in in what i now i'm still trying to figure out is if the only way to give consent is by is what they sober enthusiastic yes makes me wonder my four years of college did anybody have any conceptual so well and this is where we kind of have to do what krakauer dead as let's it's remove alcohol first second only because it muddies it up to end start to teach and talk about what consent is early end that basic understanding of entitlement to someone's body or that someone do something to you or for you that is the real problem you throw alcohol on that that's like throwing gas on a fire okay so it just exacerbates it it just makes it more likely or makes it a bigger problem but the the beginning stage to me because i have these conversations in college we just don't you know tonight have these conversations all the time because not only are we trying to teach it well were trying to make sure that we share with others in the most accurate in fact you know we try a news release salad fax end really great examples so people can hear us rosser trained a teacher girls this and were trying to grapple with that are so sure as you know grown people right like where did we fall in this continual motives are belief system and what we struggle with is like what i always explain the tide is in college even in high school and definitely when i lived in chicago eras all my issue i had the kerry the keys i had to run home i had to make sure i walked with somebody i couldn't stay out past dark and putting that in quotes nobody ever questioned what males were doing it was are women taking care himself you're even telling me a story and i will be very careful here to not you know give away who this this story you know who this belongs to but you were talking about somebody who's in a relationship where sometimes the person that they were whip the way they dressed created a situation return bars at parties now i was even questioning you're like what created a situation and you felt that you and i and i still don't know if there's any conclusion to his but as a confusing question and the question was this like there's my buddy he has a girlfriend who is young and attractive and they go to clubs like it's not our world are world is starbuck clear you saying i'm not young and attractive and then items at a club we go to starbucks in a movie and then vegas mighty c i n vegas lippi and my buddy has a girl who's like he's got a girlfriend who's like twenty four years old and she dresses the what's the word i wouldn't say provocatively but that show that's just the way she wants to address right but some people people perceive that to be a attention seeking from men or women i dunno and my buddies like listen the the reality of the situation is that she is going to get hit on more at the club club if she wears though low cut topper a you know a short miniskirt or whatever and then all of a sudden it's a big hassle because i have to you know sometimes defend and protect this girl because some these i'm using this word i don't know if he did neanderthals will just start really hyper aggressively coming out and he's like my night would be so much easier if she toned it down so i wouldn't so we wouldn't have to be put in a situation and you hear that what you're saying though right i know which is women have to not idi attention they have to not wear what they want and his argument was it's not the way it's supposed to be it's the way it is and so in the meantime are we gonna continue to try to educate our youth about consent in that it's okay for anybody to be dress any certain way that doesn't mean that they're looking for anything of course but at the same time the reality is when certain people dressed in a certain way they're gonna attract more attention and they're more likely to get harassed that's that's the truth 'em yeah in and this goes back to be a you know idea of like he she dresses a certain way and guys hit on her and i have to save her end that whole idea of like you know the idea that the men were there to save us manners saving us from other men and we don't wanna be it's i'm using this quote director from the justin bell don't anything we don't we don't wanna be saved and of course we wanna be like the bystander thing like health and don't allow people to be hurt if it'd be male female whatever have to be why or am i in situation where i either have to be 'em you know like where certain things to make sure nobody hurts me because the people i'm wester like you men will hit on you and i have to protect so you just don't do that no i i understand someone could lay that out in front of me insane but in this moment this is the way it is let's just keep this person safe i am willing to go okay and like you know to stand with you on that if you at the same time you again with me on this is a problem that needs to change because what the problem is is when we say women just need to be dressed dressed differently women need to girls and teenagers and he just stop wearing yoga pants school girls need to stop wearing halter top because boys concede her bra straps and we blame girls for what boys and men have been taught isn't entitlement to women's bodies so it's this vicious cycle yeah and in in some point we stop together in the middle and say okay i hear you but can you then can we start to move this backwards where you start to understand that you may be turned on by a woman's body but that's your thing to deal with it being turned on doesn't mean you get to penetrate somewhat right you don't get because you know what guess what women have desires to we have fantasies we have thoughts like it's not as if sexuality is in a real thing among human being what i know you hate this movie but there's a scene where tom cruise is talking to nicole kidman in eyes wide shut and like tom cruise's has this assumption like oh it's just the guys that are always out on the prowl end 'em nicole kidman's like you if you only knew in which he talks about is i totally have fantasies about in in it's and that wasn't interesting thing but what i would like to do is build a talk to players go let's stay on that second women do have fantasy just but fantasies you know what i have exposed to the entire her male fantasy through porn every freaking day or so men get to put their fantasies out there and say this is just porn we just have a right to it we get to do the end women's fantasy somehow then it's their detriment like if they have a fantasy world they're asking to be raped do do you see what i mean there's no like an end it's not hey what i wanna do is find that place in the middle it's not about we win you guys lose you should go to jail i don't want men in prison i want men to understand limits minutes i want them to understand consent i don't wanna arrest a bunch of men sure i want in understanding of that you know asked to have a conversation to not start with the belief system that they are entitled to do what they wanna do simply because not maybe just because they're male but will talk about missoula again somebody starts because they have power because they had their on the football team because they have never been taught that anything they do has consequences that's the conversation that's where it starts of parenting sure do you see what i mean well in a i'm gonna go back just a few minutes as you talked about the yoga pants thing in 'em you know it's it's interesting because what i would like to say to lake but say whatever there's a seventh grade boy who all of a sudden gets a little all 'em like there's a biological reaction because he happens to see the form of a wild one i mean there's nothing to be ashamed of there's nothing to suppress yourself about there's nothing like that's a normal thing like we're created his sexual human being like this is the way our creator designed it is it's we certain sometimes do have certain biological reaction there's nothing wrong with that now what are you going to do with that and that's the conversation that needs thank you because women also i mean you know if you've ever been to a strip club with women and women also get excited and you know what i'm using the strip club as and example just because you know when you get a grouping people together and oftentimes in a intimate thing there's not a lot of people around unless you have you know different desire tendencies so my point is is that we all have desire and desire the desires that i have should not make me a victim right the desires that i have do not mean well you were asking to be raped yoga pants that i wear should not be turned against me as something i should be ashamed of you know like i because not every you know i just said todd 'cause are daughters and are nieces just when a downtown go shopping today they're like you know all dressed up and excited and i was just saying that a lot of times what are girls and what other girls where it's rather grocer we just like enjoy looking good for each other and i know that may not make sense to a lot to maybe no i think that's an important thing that needs to be said to a bunch of men and boys is like were not dressing nurses cystic i know like they're just dressing up to make themselves look more attractive so hopefully i could buy a drink and take them home yet not about you all the time right yeah i mean i'm not saying it never is i'm just like you know you and i go out on a date i think through what i'm gonna wear because what color above but that's because love you and run relationship and that is something that i choose for myself but i don't feel but i have to you're not telling me what to wear that's a totally different thing and women often especially in college and in high school and even in their twenties they dress for each other or for themselves so you you know they dress because they love fashion they dress because they feel good a certain way they dress because it's who they are it's not all about sex so i'm in again you may think but you were you meet people maybe listening thinking but you were just talking about desire hiring women have is that they do and at the same time leave room for all these things there's desire and then there's also they just dress in a way that they want a dresser like you yeah so okay go from i mean talk about her partner near the week welcome you know a it's about the comb sweet it's not about the chemicals that gets rid of lisin nuts so if you are a parent out there and you got that letter home from school or summer camp 'em most of the latest combs on the market slip flip right past the tiny point three million 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friends saying something specific like when you're first sexual experiences rape like he knew what he was doing was raping her and he shared i think a i know he shared the text and possibly video but i don't know that for sure so i'll just say the text for sure i know and so the judge said when he was giving him his sentence this young man comes from a good family who to put him into an excellent school where he was doing extremely well he is clearly a candidate for college and probably a really good college anand 'em he had good test scores and we don't want to condemn juveniles about it's kind of a long statement but basically what he was saying was that because he had prior good character he didn't want him to have to suffer so my question is why were so concerned about making young men suffer the definition of white privilege it is and so ashley i know the answer and so this is what i wanna share with people that maybe you don't notice because there is another court case where a female judge actually a female judge said there is a young girl who was raped a twelve year old by sixteen year old and she said ed 'em you know this girl she really didn't have any long lasting consequences from it i mean again talk about not understanding trauma and that because no one was really harmed in the process except for that moment but we should just move on okay so this this is what i want everybody understand in our country there for post traumatic stress disorder there's two categories of the of people that suffer post traumatic stress disorder the most and the category you could probably guess the first one 'em wind overtime but a sexual assault is one of them but these other veterans war yeah so the to the top two categories for people who struggle with post traumatic stress are veterans end a rape yeah okay somebody who has been sexually assaulted 'em have not only does their brain chemistry change like literally hard wiring in their brain changes have long lasting effects that often go throughout their lifetime like i said i have women in my office who were talking to me it they're like forty forty five years old about something that happened to them when they were twenty and they still can't figure out why they think and do certain things once they connected to that they start have some healing but these were things it's not the moment it's not be act it's everything that happens after what society tells them the fact that they can't do anything about it the fact that they don't feel they can talk about it because of the shame it's this either either might happen again the worry that it might happen again the the the guilt that maybe the person who did it to them does it to somebody else be being told by family members don't say anything 'em being afraid to tell anybody because then everyone will say go to the police and then you know where that's gonna go right or going to the police say don't believe you i could go on and on just not only watched the um you know not only reid missoula but watch the documentary the hunting ground watch the documentary the what's the rates get one 'em i am of it and i am evidence you don't need to take this from kathy in todd like go out and watch some of this a this real life examples of what happens to people not only two people experienced post traumatic stress but because they experienced that they ended up having physical issues they end up having a lot of women ended up with fibromyalgia and auto immune disorders and they ended up with it and again this is more mental wellness but long term depression longterm anxiety there are this is not about i'm saying it again in the moment it's about what you're putting what this person what happens to them yeah now i say that with also because i'm a therapist hope that if they can talk about it if they feel understood in heard they moved through in i mean it's not it makes it a source of strength and power in in definition change directive you're alive to to help others that have gone through the same thing there's so many different ways you can use it correct like post traumatic growth you know and that's absolutely true so i'm not saying every single personal experience that but think about this statistically told you there is so many women that are silent about this and yes men to but because we're focusing on women today there's a silence around it and the silence is deafening and it gets people sick so i'm saying that because a lot of times were so worried about 'em you know i don't wanna hurt this young man's life and we have already the woman has already been so hurt hurt all her life taiwan i know you know this but you know you don't hear those types of stories for an inner city african american youth thinking thinking sure though many different examples of that of the people getting treated differently because their parents a really good were absolutely end because of all of their background in our money in their family and you know and that's the thing even though todd and are being very focused because we were talking about missoula 'em in this podcast were not even talking talking about the lgbtq rate you know regarding rape an omelette station or a transgender people who there's there's such a like the statistics are even worse and higher end more challenging and so this is an issue and but here's the thing we can make a change if we at least acknowledge it's an issue like the restarted in the middle said this is not about throwing people in prison that's not what i want i have no desire to see people's kids thrown in jail it's not about you know 'em punishment it's about education you but there's such a pushback about no this isn't happening it isn't true women lie in the universities are so complicit us because there's money to be loss yes if they're university is known i'm sure that alumni probably stopped contributing as much because of dc awareness that credit card game to this town correct because there's a little bit there's against it now did you hear todd the a one thing i think is krakauer said this on the interview he was saying that one place there could be a starting place it's not the only place but is in head coaches a football teams because they have the power they do so if you had a guy on your team who had been accused of sexual assault the first thing you do is maybe have a what's it called where they are they can't play for a gamer to suspend it okay so they're suspended they're not kicked off the team because you you have to you know do there's a federal 'em but then if if it's true like if there is proof that this person sexually assaulted that if they were let go from the team what ends up happening is other teams are willing pick up this player or because they're good filters it's like a blind eye is turned so what's the motivation for someone to learn what's the motivation for someone it's happened with domestic abuse to where a player is released and in other teams like well pick him up for sure so there's not enough of everybody has a different moral compass every organization every person and sometimes winning is more important to doing what i would consider the right thing yeah and it has a lot to do with you know like the kid boat in this book allison's first approached him because it was her best friend from childhood was just say i want an apology i want you to admit what happened to me which bo did he and she actually tape recorder that she wasn't she wasn't wasn't planning on going to the police but she needed it for herself but then as time went on she realized she was filled with anger and that she didn't feel like he was doing anything different still out drinking and one time she showed up at a bar and he was there and she felt sick and he staring at her and she looked at him and he told her oh my god and so she's like okay wait a second do you may need believed that 'em so she was like wait a second i thought like she really thought me me just having him come forward will make her feel better and she doesn't need to go to the police but they're even win something has been done and you've hurt someone and they tell you injure behavior doesn't change so anyway so that's i'm gonna close the book on that 'em thank you for all the time that i know i talked a lot that's all right i mean you read the book i didn't 'em and i probably should but i should we be reading a lot of books but this is definitely one of manila krakauer so maybe it's and it's on my maybe it's in my future so talk about up standard bystander a little more 'em well i mean the documentary urges won't were called like what are we trying to cultivate what's her goal and i want an asian i want they young men that are going to the documentary screening on tuesday night to see the statistics to know that because one thing that a who's the guy that does jackson catholic says that we the reason we don't say something what you you know say you're in a fraternity house and you see something that you should probably 'em intervene but there are a high school party high school party whatever and the reason that we don't is not because we feared getting beat up it's because of the social pressure pressure that happens the the perceived social pressure that happens if you are the one that calls out certain behaviors and what i wanna do is in power the parents center in that room to have these conversations what these young men and young women and then further young men and women that happened to be in the room i want i i have a feeling that these are going to be anybody who shows up to this type of screening is i in my opinion has a potential be a standup human being and to be eight leader because unless you're having these conversations and you have this awareness you're probably just gonna kinda cower away so i wanna power these young men to stand up that were in that that high school party erin this college party or in your twenties at the bar and you see something that just doesn't look right that you stand up not to protect this woman put the call out back man who happens to be doing whatever this is 'em and you know that's a little a few layers up the the the foundational layer is what do we what is equality mean an do we have a right to a woman's body in may and my answer is no anand do we laugh at the jokes at the bar and do we know tony porter is one of our favorite teachers and he talks about how he was working with a young man andy when he gets compared to a girl that the the specific words he uses it would east and tony ask the young man what would that do to you if you were kind of call this sissy or young girl or something like that and he's like it would destroy him and tony focuses on that language is like think about that it would destroy some young men to be compared to a young woman in his question is what are we teaching are young men about what a what a the value of a woman mhm and it's just totally messed up so the only way the anything ever happens in my opinion is to have conversations and that's the goal is like communication tation leads the education education lease communication you know they they go hand in hand but like you know just the definition of it up standard somebody who recognizes when something is wrong first you gotta recognize that something's wrong right end you act to make it right when we stand up for what is right and do our best to help and support and protect someone who is being hurt were being socially responsible that's the definition of enough stander this but to help are kids take action they first half denault getting a girl drunk and bringing her in a bedroom is not okay like that has to be known that's the piece that i think is missing is that kids don't even know is this it's not even about the legal like we could bring the line and say it's illegal but it just lets rental k and one thing and i am is guilty of this is anybody but you know 'cause i open the show it saying i have three daughters and it doesn't matter if i have three daughters or i have a wife or i came through my mom who gave me life 'em where human beings it's got nothing to do with that i have a daughter sister a wife or anything what are we doing about treating and another if we think that this rape culture which is absolutely at a truth and you know once again i i hate to like disclaim make these disclaimers is what they've found out through the science says i'm understanding it most guys aren't aren't this but most guys are bystanders most geyser not the perpetrators there's a few perpetrators and they're doing it a lot right then they get really really good at it and they wanna do it over and over again but most of us in i hold my hand up including me i am a bystander who does contribute to this culture and what i wanna do is stand up and take ownership andy call something out when i see it and we can be creative about how we call things out like i can't even say it with my friends or you know people then i'm west it may not be around sexual assault and rape culture but you steer someone in a different direction meaning if you see her friend doing something you could be kind of a smart ass like you know hey why not do that and you could you could use humor not like todd i'm gonna speak for you first second battalion been kinda working on how to speak up with his friends it's like the last ten years and initially you were kind of harsh and that was ineffective no it just got a defensive yeah and so like he's been practicing this like how do you have this conversation without cause you don't wanna sound entitled either like well just listen to me i ruined who knows you don't wanna sound like a no it all end we have these conversations all the time about how do we know how do we say can we help the person who might end up getting hurt maybe we don't go after are friend and say you know this could look so many different ways that's what i mean is like a i know one of are friends i think it was duffy he was talking about that his son or maybe a friend of his centers something i can't remember but that at parties sometimes they're just are they're they're noticing what's happening to the girls and they make sure that girl gets home yeah so maybe they are like standing in front of their buddy lightning but they're saying to the girl i will help you get home so nothing happens there are many different ways to be an up stander or to not be a bystander i wish they would have called this movie the up standard enter move and read it because bystander they're trying to focus on the problem is nobody knows what a dope stander is everybody knows what a bystander yeah i guess so but what about my definition i just threw out there the people don't have you're you defining things all the come on of course oh one more thing that i actually i think i heard dax shepard say this on his podcast said it his daughter's school they have an up stander award but they give like everyone liquor every month so these kids understand that part you're job in school is to speak up when you see something go wrong and to be socially responsible that you are not just there for you that when you were in a community you are there to be a part of the community which means sometimes speaking up and they award ward kids now again i interview or it could go gosh lobby brady wrong you you know like bobby brady became oh did he become a patrol yeah he's like a monitor patrolman dude and he took advantage of it at the lab that i know there are we understand the pendulum and how things can go too far but i like the fact that his daughter's school recognize why recognize the word up stander and that part of our job within society is to play a role and that engine not being living secrecy yeah so 'em i can't a cut off the podcast without first talking about jeremy craft he's a bald head of beauty he does 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3 Ways To Talk Your Way To A Stronger Culture | Marlene Chism

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3 Ways To Talk Your Way To A Stronger Culture | Marlene Chism

"Would you like to accelerate your career and reach your full potential ingest minutes a day. Welcome to the lead X. Show with New York Times Times bestselling author and eat five hundred Entrepreneur Kevin crews. Hey Guys Kevin crews here. Welcome to the lead X. Leadership. Show where we help you to stand out and to get ahead at work now as you know. We like to switch things up here. Keep it interesting and continue that tradition and today on the podcast instead of me interviewing an expert guest. We're going to have the guest deep dive into their topic. You see you'll be hearing audio audio from a lead X. Webinar now of course there are dozens of great webinars on Leadership Management Communication Productivity and more all archived lived in the lead X. APP just visit lead x Dot. Org for more information about our Webinar archive so enough on the setup enough background on information here is venue mathis to introduce our guest and handed over to them enjoy hello everybody and welcome to our Webinar today with Marlene Arleen Chisholm Marlene is a consultant executive educator and the author of three books including stop workplace drama no drama leadership and stop drama in your healthcare healthcare practice today. She's going to be showing you how you can learn the language that re- that promotes a responsible culture how to understand the relationship dynamics that shape your company's culture and how to discover how executive conversations can drive performance and y avoiding those difficult conversations can be very very costly so before we get started. Please just make sure you're closed out of all your other browser windows and programs. They can eat up your bandwidth slow. Things down caused some audio issues issues. If you have questions for Marlene she's GonNa take them at the end up to her presentation you can submit them at any time in the chat box or in the QNA function. It's located at the bottom of your screen so we're ready to get started. Please welcome Marlene Chisholm. Thank you so much and yet and I WANNA say welcome to Oh you. I'm really excited to be here with you. Know what kind of a commitment that takes in today's time very difficult to live program so I hope I if you the value and it was worth it so we titled. This three ways to talk your way to straughter culture well. If it was really that easy I'm going to give you some language though and and some techniques that you can use today because I believe that it needs to be practical so you've heard the saying watch your thoughts they become your words and in heard watchwords they become your behaviors and watch your behaviors because they become your culture her and you know there's been some definition of culture that it's all about behaviors however when I was working with bad some of the experts writing my last book no drama leadership it's really more than behaviors inch really about shaping culture and behaviors just just being a part of that so the real question that we're here to consider is how leaders shape culture well we shave culture through thoughts words and behaviors it really. WanNa be clear to that. It's not just about leadership in it's not just about thoughts words and behaviours although that's the scope for today and just want to say very briefly that there are many influences that that come into play when we talk about culture and one of those that was brought to my attention was by Dr Edgar Shine one of the the the best the most well-known leaders in culture the MIT sloan professor just a genius when it comes to culture and when we were talking about my book look and I was seeking his endorsement he said you know it's the way we do things on the inside and get along so that we can produce results for the outside so in other words we have the internal influences of external so today we'll be talking mostly about those internal influences. That's the leaders can actually take action action on so I I WANNA share with the foundation that is it every single bid of my work in every single book. It's something that I share workshops at something I do in speaking engagements because it helps people to get a visual framework of how look at the ways that we achieve results and and the barriers that come into play when we're on the on the journey of it achieving results so this is a new language that I often referred to in workshops call the language of the island and the ideas that were always trying to get from point eight point beasts. He's seen the little guy in the rowboat you see that island and that. Little Robo can represent just you as your as an executive you as a leader <hes> origin represent your entire team so this is useful no matter what your what your roller your title or always he's trying to get to what I call. The island called peace and prosperity so you could call that your prophets your revenue goals your end of the year you're in the quarter goals nonetheless we refer to it as getting to peace and prosperity because there's only one reason we want anything and that's a cause we're going to have a sense of completion and peace about it or windex index and in some ways either revenue or personal growth so we're always trying to get to peace and prosperity but then we have an obstacle in the obstacle as you can see the shark and in my body of work. I talk about drum a lot. I've written a lot about drama but I used drama in a different way than what we typically think of it so oh my definition is that drama is any obstacle to peace and prosperity so wherever we're trying to go there's this drama this something that stands in the way on the middle level management arena what I see from those that her in that level or those that are leaders over that level. We see a lot of relationship problems. We see that someone won't get the work done or we see <hes> complaining and gossip is that relationship issue becomes drama or it becomes the personal issues that employees have and the reason why there late at work or the reason you're having turnover. There's a lot of obstacles that come up that keep you from getting into peace and prosperity and so I often ask in workshops. I asked the audience to ask you. How do you know someone's drama is when I pause for a moment. How do you know what someone's dramas doesn't matter what their level well. How you know is that they talk about it because we human beings cannot help talk about whatever bothers us and becomes this becomes my shark my shark but you don't understand my shark and as you can see the more we focus on the problem the bigger the problem gets and we then become enmeshed in a problem oriented way of thinking instead of an outcome instead head of thinking about what do we want to create and so what happens is we have these sharks and the cultural issues include both visible and the invisible and I talked about some of those visible just a moment ago how it shows in relationships the office drama the backstabbing the gossip the power struggle struggle that happen but it happens on a major level in major organizations or seeing a lot of visible drama and politics right now and jokingly people used to say well. No no wonder we have a lot of drama. We have a lot of women in our department and then I jokingly say well. My next book is going to be called men and have drama too because all you have to look sports and politics into much bigger form of drama but the point that I make is that we all have obstacles to our growth and to you the the bottom line to the end results about. We're GONNA look at both the visible in the end this because I think it's really important to understand that what you're seeing being on the surface may not be the facts and the reality is just what you're seeing on the surface and so the question then becomes how do these obstacles does. How does drama manifest well in the workplace. You're going to see that manifesting communication relationships with their bats with your clients your patients your the customers your employees the productivity levels you're going to be able to measure it on some way you're gonna be able to see observable behaviors and observable results but on the bottom level on the invisible realm where the drama and we're the cultural issues are really. I guess Redid or where they are unseen. It really has to do with the thoughts emotions beliefs and decisions and that's really becoming a big part of my work right now is to help leaders gain that clarity on what thoughts when emotions what belief sweat decisions are driving these cultural issues and that's outside of the environmental environmental and legislative impact that we have regarding culture so I also have a little test ask people. Do you think it's really important to had drama in the bud as you can see us a lot of analogy. I use a lot of pictures because I want people to get out of their logical thinking mind and into more a picture type of mindset you can clearly see what's really going on and there's cultural issues and of course everybody agrees yes. We should drop it in the bud. Well that is a trick question because if you drop in Nevada it's as if you have a field of Dandelions and you clip off the bloom and underneath you have a root system awesome and the next year you have a field full of Dandelions so culturally how we often nip in the bud instead of getting to the root is that we move if someone to a different department and I've heard this even at very high levels while they have three years to retire and we just can't let them go. We have to kind of ride this out milkis out until the retire or we play a lot of games like we're. GonNa show them who's boss and make their job very difficult until they voluntarily quit. This creates a culture of mistrust. It creates a culture of drama and this avoid into we're gonNA talk about this later. I'm also willing to share with you how identify roots and poetic so this is kind of a layered approach to to talking about culture so I'm going to answer the question. You know where we're going in the presentation. HOW LEADERS SHAPE CULTURE is to clarity connection and conversations and that wasn't on purpose that I have the three Cs but I absolutely loved the way it sounds. I loved the way because it's easy to remember so if you just start to think throughout this presentation I as a leader or my executives as we're running the company. Here's the three freeways that we are shaping culture. Perhaps without even knowing it. It's in clearly it's in our connections and it's in our conversations so that's. GonNa be the remainder of what I talk about but as well as the root systems always present because what she see the roots of drama and the obstacles that prevent you from creating the culture that you say that you want awed you now have that piece and you also have the the clarity connection in conversation piece which you can then design some sort of a initiative. You should have a program a training a leadership development so that you can consciously create your culture instant of leading it. It ran a chance so the first apiece is that we need to get clear and clarity is a big part of my work. It's it's been something that's been part of my own development. I have struggled with clarity in my own career path and developing my consulting practice and the good news about that is because I understand it. I'm really compassionate about it and we do not need to fear the lack of clarity bet. We need to understand the distinction of where we're clear and we're we're not because I I root of. All drama is a lack of clarity. Now I talk about this a lot and I'm gonNA give you resources along the way that you can jot down. You're more than welcome to email email me afterwards as well. This gives you other places to look for some of this content on a deeper level so in the first Book Stop Workplace Drama published by Wiley that <hes> this was a premise that I've used throughout my career. I use it in my life because it's a it's a universal principle that in all drama there's always a common route and the first rate is is a lack of clarity so here's the thing that you should know about that. In all drama there's lack of clarity and then the second component of this is the one with clarity always navigates the ship now. The reason I have that piece in is that I have worked in you know years ago I work. It's a lot with middle level managers. They were growing and as as the counties were developing their their leaders they would ask me to come in and do some you know frontline line or like middle level leadership training and the questions would come up. You know I've got a pasta or I've got at Queen Bee. I've got this person truly difficult the cult to to handle and so I would ask the question why does I'm they give what they do and the and the answer is will because it works so if you're not able to guide your team if you're not able to create that cleberation there's someone who knows what they want more than the leader and so the woman's clearly always navigates the ship so if you are in the boiler room shoveling coal so to speak it means. You're not on the top neck. NGOs lost your vision. It's means you've lost clarity but here's the good news and I love the refer back to every common coaching. Someone in the problem seems overwhelming every time I've doing a strategy session and it seems like Sony Parts and pieces I just say site at myself and I remind my client that clarity can change any situation and it will change your experience and it will truly start to shape your culture mandis year. Some interesting facts are clearly being a lot of study on this and have found you can find this all you have to type it into Google and you'll find gal up. You'll find talent want management. You'll find it's out there everywhere that only have employees strongly agree that they understand what's expected of them at work. My belief is that that's because we are changing so rapidly and were throwing. I would say we're throwing tennis rackets at at your employs insane row harder and faster. They really don't know and can't clearly define what success looks like and especially in the more entrepreneurial. Maybe small to medium enterprise businesses. It's maybe the job description style written down. We continue to put people in different places. We want them to be Nimble. There's nothing wrong with that but if you really ask the employ what does success look like thanks they cannot explain it and their shows you why there's a lot of areas to creating the culture want and unfortunately managers are equally at a loss to explain their <music> own jobs so if I don't know what your view of success is I can't be successful in your eyes and I can only guess and that guests in create create assumptions and judgements and a lot of what I call workplace drama obstacles here peace and your prosperity so let's look at an example of what creates a lack of clarity policies that are not enforced. I see this a lot and I often say if you have a policy policy and it's not enforced. You're only setting yourself up for bigger problems. Just get rid of the policy or alter it because the excuses well. At least we have a policy if we ever you want to use it but the truth is it won't stand up in court if it hasn't been enforced in the past so that confuses employees. It's the elephant in the room. We don't talk about it. It's kind of okay. Okay we get it and so you want to make sure your policies aligned with where you are now <hes> disciplines that are threatened but forgotten. I'M GONNA. You're going to be suspended if you do this again or this is a mistake that we can't afford to have and yet the mistake happening. <hes> something that I hear a lot what is what I've told them a thousand times and I'll say you know what that means. It means that you've allowed the improper behaviour nine hundred ninety nine times and if you told them a thousand times there's someone else guiding the ship too many changes too fast food or any talked about that. This is a big one too. You can just ask through self. Are People surprised when they lose their job or did they see coming when people are surprised that tells me there's conversations not taking place. There should never be any surprises if you do it right. People will want to leave because you try to help them grow and they just wasn't the right. There wasn't bad hiring or the changes came in but ever the reason they'll they'll want to leave but they won't feel beat up. Poor performances allowed from certain people. I'll hear this a lot while they're a rainmaker so oh yes they're. They're a bully their persecutor there but they're rainmaker. They bring it in or they really are. The only one understands the inventory system or they're the only wind understand the way that we do our cost accounting whenever it is there something that person knows or has that has seen a value and therefore they are holding holding the executives or the company owner hostage this should not be and the reality is if they're really a good performer they would also be. They also behave properly because behavior should be a part of that performance evaluation with the way that we view performance. If you're really good performer you're also did with people. Oh you also fit in you collaborate and so you have to decide what you're going to allow and why and that's a tough decision. <hes> Tom went on the walls isn't happening in the halls. An example that comes to mind is I'm thinking about this. Is I see a lot of healthcare websites. It will say we we're we're all about compassion and I worked with a healthcare organization that their top values compassion. We're doing a strategy session and I said how often do you use that word in your conversation never and I said so what is compassion look like and what does the absence of of it looked like a hard time answering that and in the conversation we find out that there's what they would say is drama. They say mannered nurses are just on edge edge there a eat their young. You know they just they don't they're really mean and yet their mission is compassion <hes> and so they WANNA workshop and come to find out their nurses are working seventy hours a week so it doesn't take much strategic thinking to see that there's a misalignment there really difficult to be compassionate when you're when you're physical needs are not being met a workshop. A bunch of Cranky nurses not going to do a whole lot again. It's GonNa be a waste of money. It's really within the structure so you can start to look at what creates a lack of clarity. It's when there's misalignment help. I need a workshop again. That's what I hear. They've diagnosed the problems in their mind and they say things like our top performers. Destructive are nurses too young. We we have a hot head in our department. We don't want to do that. That hotheads a relative of the boss. Turf wars are going on between the managers and their silence. I think I'm being I undermined and no one knows who's really in charge. I get these kind of calls on a regular basis and I used to just be happy to Boudou. Stop replace drama workshop. But when I've realized is that if it's in the structure if it's in the environment if it isn't then culture workshop is not going to be enough commitment so often jokingly say it would be better to get a clown a pizza because if you just want it to be a checklist and you're just looking at we've got a certain magic <hes>. Let's just do something that's going to get. People excited fighting for a day and let's not pretend any kind of workshop or any kind of expert could come in and change these cultural problems without a real commitment without diagnosing the problem because if you are clear what the real problem is you'll apply the wrong solution and wonder why you can't get the results you cannot get to the island so here's the quiz quiz. We'll see if you got news. So why does that gossip hothead Queen Bee Posture Troublemaker Crybaby Tattletale. Why are they doing what they do. I've said this several times. Why do they do because it works but one with clarity always navigates the ship yeah it always comes down to leadership. You can't fix. It's like asking if the parents were saying. We've got a disruptive child but disrupted child keeps doing cygnus keeps doing that. Please come and fix my child most of the time. It's a leadership issue. The parents are not aligned during not clear. It's not always the child. It's mostly the leaders so that's the way I look at an organization. What can we as leaders do and then we can figure out needs to go or needs to shake up. What are we he doing. That's allowing this kind of behavior again my white just remember that and repeat over and over and over clarity can chain. GimMe situation so this is the first rule of thumb and giving you all my consulting secrets here when you find there's some sort of disturbance some sort of drama something you carapace. You're out if you will save yourself. Clearly can change any situation. Your brain will start to now search for areas where you're clear that I'm GONNA. Give you some things that you you can do right now. Get Crystal Clear about who's in charge and how citizens are my. I A lot of times we'll hear middle level managers. Tell tell me that they are afraid. Their decisions will not be supported by the top and there's evidence to prove that at the same time when I'm in the organization the executives I'd say we have micro managers that won't make decisions in their keeping our door open so it becomes a symbiotic kind of problem where her the executive that it's the managers. The managers think it's executives. The employs think that it's both the executives of the managers so what it is is that we're not clear about who's in charge and how decisions will be made and how they will be supported. The next thing that you can do is get crystal clear about the roles and the responsibilities as get it in writing. If you haven't done that make a draft you can even ask your people to write up their own roles and then you can have someone that's good end forbid writer put it in the proper grammar learn for Matt but at least we get agreement about what we're here to do. Who's doing what check yourself to see where you might be giving mixed messages just do that for a week. Just just ask yourself the question. Is there somewhere where I might be giving mixed messages because if you can figure that out you're going to change things. Even if it's only in a department <hes> you'll you'll see amazing results by just kinda clean that up and owning it so we're. GonNa go to step two which is to get connected and this is really about how relationship dynamics hammocks shape culture so here's the quiz. What do these things have in common patients changing physicians. Good employees is leaving marriages ending and turf wars relationships and relationships. This is the second route in all drama so the first rate is the lack clarity the second route. There's always a relationship issue and when we talk about relationships were not always talking about the way that people get along. We're also talking about other connections however today we are going to be talking about the relationship component component but I do want to just make the distinction that we have a relationship with everything so we have a relationship with the word leader. We have a relationship with authority. We have a relationship nations ship with our geographical location. Our own culture within a culture are being American or Canadian. Whatever we have connection to that influences us in a big way so if you look at these connections a lot of talk about five connections you can start to take a look at these within your culture of self boss customer peers and your job and the job itself so the second piece of here is to get connected versus get clear now to get connected and so this is something? I really as I do a lot of personal kind of personal professional coaching on this sometimes we human beings just get completely disconnected from our our own values and when we are disconnected with our own personal lives and be going through a divorce wager midlife crisis wondering about our life purpose when we we as a human being are disconnected. There's no way we're going to connect with the boss appeared the job and so sometimes it's just personal disconnection. We've lost our connection. We've lost our alignment to our spiritual wellbeing physical wellbeing and until we understand that component nothing's going to change it so this is the first thing you want to start looking <music> as a leader and my just disconnected and my in the wrong position am. I Not Aligned company values because it might believe that you have to be you have to be aligned with the company values values because if you're not you're GonNa Struggle <hes> so you've got to be connected within yourself and <hes> I wanna give like sort of Mike a little short scenario that had to do with it was my personal experience. As I was writing this was really based on my Third Book Civilized Talk Drama in your healthcare practice and since I'm helping to care actually caring for my elderly mother and that includes a lot of doctors visits a lot of surprises and this particular instance was <hes> I had to change my mom's doctor because <hes> her her primary physician which is it became a hospitalised and so she had to now get another doctor well as you imagine that caused a lot of personal drama because she absolutely Laterna Laterna doctor and we got a referral and we got in and I can tell by sitting in the weight room with my mom. When I saw this doctor he was yelling at his nurse. I I could tell he was having a hard day. I made a lot of assumptions about his character. Obviously because I'm concerned about my mother and I told my mom. I don't think this doctor is going to be quite as frazier other one so you just need to be ready for that and when he came in first thing he did was get onto me for not bringing the paperwork and then he started kind of raising his voice about the medications she was on and saying that she shouldn't be on these medications and you know if you would've asked me at workshop. How would you handle this kind of conflict. I would say I would take a deep breath and I would really get clear about what we're here to do. Then I would refocus the energy I have to admit to you and I often tell my audiences. I'm willing to share some of my dirt to show you that humid and that I take my journey seriously that I mess s. up just like everybody else. I'll tell you what I blew my stack and I said listen Mr. You haven't reviewed her files. You don't know who she is. and Are you going to be a help to us are you. You want to cause trouble well. He kinda straighten up in jerk and it was very uncomfortable but what I can tell you here is there was a disconnect from the purpose of his job which was him with the patient client that customer and it caused a huge disconnect. Now we finished the story here. I actually clear this up an excuse me this ticket. I am I pol and we got it cleared out because that's how I believe that I can tell you that if you're losing your connection with your customer whether it's a hospital whether it's a automotive whether it's is aviation. If you're forgetting about your purpose for being in business you're going to see some results that you don't want from that. You're going to have some drama and then there's a disconnect from the boss and a culture so you might have your employees might be connected. Your leaders might be connected. They're connected with their job of their peers but maybe they're not connected with administration. I've seen this a lot and it's not that I specialize so much in healthcare is just that I used a lot of examples in this that I had seen so often where the administration is worried about the money that they're losing and they're so worried about the prosperity that they're willing to give up the keys and we have to learn how to have a both and world and so I've seen nurse managers and therapists leaves because they felt so misunderstood from the administration Gratien because from their point of view their healers and they need to spend time with patients but from administration point of view. It's getting and get him out and tie while you're doing so imply that and glad to take questions on that later about how we can disconnect from either the administration the boss it can be on a personal level with a boss awesome can be the upper level of the entire top layer of the organization that when there's disconnect you're gonna see a modest turnover going to see a lot of unwanted issues of people leaving and finding jobs and in fact in one instance hear a great there is that we had left and now the the organization station does even have that kind of therapist and so you have to look at the whole picture and find ways to bridge that gap through conversation so here's what you can do we now look at your own level of connection in the five areas and where are the disconnects and if you don't know how to find those you can certainly reach out to be a little bit of guidance but but need to look at south. Here's off customer client patient and the job. Where are the disconnects because that's going to tell you where the cultural issues are number. The three is initiate executive conversations so this is the third. We talked about clarity. We've talked about connection and now we're talking about what I call. Executive conversations conversations and I have a manifesto on the front page of my website and give you a resource because you do not even have to sign up are not going to measure you with emails. Of course I bought for you too because you'll get you'll get some content every two weeks but I have a manifesto. That's called how executive conversation drives results and in the manifesto talk about this principle that conversations either grow your business or slow your business. I have had just personal situations before I started writing books where I went to a maybe a massage therapist or even a private practice -sition some sort and they spend their time talking about their divorce there drama there whatever it is they're workplace. That's not driving more business because I actually left those practitioners and so you have to understand that that when people are unhappy right or wrong a your front line they're going to talk to your clients. If they have any type of a conversation with in your your client. They're going to whisper in their ears about ways that they don't like their job. Even the let's wrong. They're going to do it so conversations either. Grow Your Business. Slow Your Business. If you have managers that are my way or the highway is slow in your business. You might think they get things done but look at the week in the boat. You'RE GONNA have turnover in a department. Look at the manager in charge. Look at both the job is such a difficult job that you can expect any many to stay. That's the nature of it or it's. Oh my college kids or it's just hard dirty work early for a few years or is it the leadership because if you've got it in one department it's almost always related to the leadership so my talk about this principle of executive conversations <hes> my first example is about a coo that was avoiding conversation with his CEO and subordinate and in a nutshell the issue was the subordinate become friends with the CEO and was going around his back and getting her way in other words clarity navigates the ship and he was extremely frustrated. Now we'll get in the mindset of this particular. Coo Oh his mindset was my job is to support the boss regardless and as we dug a little deeper we find that there are many times he should have had conversations but he didn't and he agreed read with some of her hiring decisions and some of her policy changes and without getting into too much detail. What I really saw was that he needed to have have to harmonization's the two different people there needed to be a strategy to this and what made it reach out to me was when we actually had the first exploratory call I asked the question. What is your avoidance of conversation costing you. Is it hundreds of thousands I mean. Can you put a number to it and he said you know when you consider the turnover that we've had and the retraining and you consider that we are now also in a lawsuit it's millions over the last three years and so we often that's that visible shark that we don't see our avoidance our little patterns. It's costing US money and we don't see it and we're doing a 'cause. We think I think we have to be a certain way. We don't have the skills so that's just one example of a hidden barrier in the way that we connect with other people and here's another another example and this was a small business owner and he had a client that owed him two hundred fifty thousand dollars and I just couldn't figure it out. He hasn't been paid and he didn't pull his services and I said we've got to figure out a way for you to have a conversation and his underlying fear was. I'm going to lose a big client. I said Said Bannon paid you yet and so you see this conflict going on internally which is sort of the head drama part of this. We'll talk about that in a moment but this there's an example of how your conversations either slow your business or grow. Your Business also have an example that I think you'll be interested in and this also is in the <music>. I'm the manifesto one page of my web. This was in the section of the conversation of today's the lawsuit of the future and this was a human resources manager that had really fall in love with my work and we'd have this conversation about what was going on. She said I just about the end of a year. While process of managing a disruptive employees the situation ended up of lawyers involved and should reach a settlement today. It's been a long and painful process as this employee had you've been tolerated for eighteen years and as employees was occasionally talk to that since she was considered a high performer she was allowed to carry on hurting patients in Stanley and staff along the way as well as creating chaos in her wake of disruption. The entire process is taking a toll on me my team and the employee. I didn't realize how hard hard emotionally mentally it would really be so you see by the time that real conversation had to happen. It had been allowed a thousand times and what people don't seem to maybe understand that just getting rid of a problem employees still is difficult because you need those hands you need their brain in need what they bring so doesn't it make more sense to identify these issues early and set very clear expectations of the kind of coaching and support that they're going to get ed so that they can determine whether or not this is really going to be a fit before you did invested eighteen years and then finally a lawsuit and said this is unfortunate but I see this more often often not and what happens. This is one of the telltale signs. I WanNa give you these because I told you we would talk about not just the language of the island in the way. I really the identify obstacles barriers but irresponsible language. How do we notice when we got a culture where there's irresponsible language while here's how you notice their Stinger pointing not my your fault. There's a lot of talk about the past well this is how we used to do well because of what happened in the past because of Disney law and there's a lot of focus on the past. We're focusing not on the future not on the new opportunities. We have to admit the past happen but when there's focus there it's kind of it's going to be a problem with your culture. This one is <hes>. Perhaps a little bit more difficult to notice that it's it's sort of a disempowered kind of language and what you're going to hear in the language is the absence of choice. Why had no other choice y'all but because of that? I really had to do this. Yes and as long as we accept the idea that there's no choices what we're really following into is a victim mentality so when you hear an absent of absence subtract it means that we're not being resourceful. It means that we're not empowered that we believe are at the mercy of the law that a policy that other people the way things are the way things have been. This is an issue that when you start to spot this you can start to change with with really coaching and then disrespectful once it gets to certain places starts to become personal and you know I am on social show media. I posted a thought of the day on facebook more than welcome to join me there if you want to a lot of people use it in their morning meetings so very positive and for removing but why I I notice on social. Media is a model of disrespect. We're getting ready for too long to have another election year and when people disagree no longer longer. Are we willing to listen no longer. Are we willing to learn and to really use critical thinking all of a sudden we'll just name college or just name calling and going really we really deepened dirty and that's what we're creating in America right now. In our culture we're creating this through this irresponsible language the finger-pointing appointing talking about the past <hes> proving while you're wrong the disempowerment no more choice because of some leader and very disrespectful respectful in contrast responsible language is just the opposite taking ownership focusing on the present and the future we really we have our power is in the present and in that power we create a new future wheat we step into the act of creating a new future versus problem solving which which are two different mindsets sets and they both have their place. I'm really about is creating. What do we WANNA create. Here's where we are. What do we want to create and then empowered. Why on my choices says what are our choices. What choices could there be once we start exploring. are twice as we start to get our power back and then find me respectful. I respectfully respectfully disagree. You know I see differently but I'm open to hearing your point of view. That's tough for me right now. Let's talk about later. We don't know how to be respectful anymore. We're also triggered by what we don't want to hear that we are creating cultures in our countries were creating cultures workplaces and we truly. I truly believe we. We need enlightened leaders to guide the way because we've lost our way here so i WanNa just give you a snapshot of the differences so that you can just see the difference between responsible language and responsible fingerpointing versus taking ownership focusing on the past versus the president and the teacher being disempowered versus being empowered and disrespectful disrespectful versus respectful so then how do you leaders shape culture through executive conversation by neither ability did initiate difficult conversations and when I talk about excuse me we talk about conflict in I've got got a am performance conversation model that really is a blueprint of how to talk about difficult issues in the workplace how to drive performance formats through coaching and through identifying the real issue what the premise of the idea is that there is no conflict unless there's an inner conflict so if you're sociopath and you don't hear how people feel no conflict for you in my beef other people but all conflict involves all these these two arrows going in opposite directions and I look at conflict instead of being personal this has helped me tremendously in my my personal and professional relationships and my consulting work in my guiding other executives in there were <hes> if you look at conflict is simply opposing <unk> hosing drives desires and demands a relational emotional that they're simply opposing drives desires and demands once we understand that whether people I can have conflict by myself without having another human being involved but once I understand that my conflict my drama is truly just just opposing drives desires and demands and it's really don't lack of clarity and the same thing with other people there's opposing drives desires and demands once we get clear we call around now then we can move. We can move forward so the question here that I want the entertain this. What is it that makes a conversation difficult so we were in a room together and I really wish that we were because I love to learn from people in the room with me? I think the collective is better than in the gym stage any day so what as conversation difficult while there's all kinds of things on the bloom <hes> well it's personalities. It's while they're on the disk. They're different than I. I'm on the Myers Briggs on the Colby. We just disagree well. I don't convert. There's all kinds of things on. I'm about getting to the root and at the root is resistance. Dot Com makes it. Difficult is our own resistance to the conversation and so therefore there's a trend which is avoiding difficult conversations nations. A lot of my work is about that right now and anyone that says I don't avoid what I found with people that are in that category vitamin avoid. I believe we all all do I think it just is a matter of degree and if you're not avoiding all I would say ask others if they think you're a bully because if you're never avoiding either you've worked at it and you become so smooth and you just know it's part of life war. You're rough around the edges. No it so that's what I'm finding in my work. What makes it difficult. Is that we I have an air conflict. I want you to like me but I also need to tell you something. You know I want you to improve what are afraid you might. I leave it can make you angry. It could make me angry so I'm afraid of emotions. I'm afraid I might blow up. I'm afraid they're gonNA get me roped into what I call Ping Pong. Yes idea now you didn't. That's not fair. Yes it is if you've got roped into a game of being you got distracted in the conversation foster clarity or a lot of time at the lack of skill and so I worked from the premise that if people have the lack of skill there and making get their inner conflict inflict cleared out the fear of emotions dissipates tremendously there will always be a little bit of that era because we're human beings were supposed to connect supposed to care about ourselves. We're supposed to care about others. That's that's how we're wired. It would be hard to say otherwise so as long as we have the right intention and we can clear our inner conflict then the the middle peace the fury motions will still have it but we'll have the skills to overcome it. We'll have the skills to actually address the elephant in the room once we're able to identify unify what that elephant actually is and so what I want to share with you. Now is what we do instead and this is one of our distractions we get into what I call non-productive conversations in. It's where we waste valuable time. You can put money to this by saying. How often are we in these conversations. I'M GONNA give the levels are so the first level is clueless nece and I give this with a lot of new managers and it'll level managers like this a lot of human resource professionals channels and here's a call a clueless not to be mean but to say unconscious and here's what is I'm more out. I'm working overtime on the weekends to to get my actual paperwork done to get my work done because I can't get it done during the week because I helped so many eruptions and so why I call this clueless nece as they don't understand gambler choices there disempowered. They think that it's because of everybody else because of their job but in reality they haven't recognized their choices so it's like this is happening happening. The open doors become a revolving door what they don't know how to set boundaries how to how to really guide to focus what happens next hour is when they do have the awareness ernest what it is a lot of times it's from working with a coach and they have the awareness from weapon are like this they go into mind. Grind and mine grind is this. I know Oh this is happening and now I have aversion to it. I'm beating myself up and I'm going back and forth in my mind. Is that too harsh was that right. Should I have done. That should a closed doors. Should I say should I sit back and forth back and forth now you how that conflict once again that's inner conflict. I know it's happening and it feels worse to know what's happening and did not know why that's the mind grind that leads to the third level which is avoidance okay. I'm just going to bury my head in the sand. I just I can't take it. I know it's happening happening and so I'm just going to avoid. I'm not going to be at the office to take my work home but everyone is. There's this avoidance and it's it's draining energy and that leads to the fourth level pitches anger. I blow up and now people think I need anger management by the way I've got a class on that. It's three win dot com look that up but in this anger and I think it's anger management but when I tell people as most of the time it is not an anger issue. It's an awareness issue. We didn't notice the first irritation and therefore it built up an ALA voidance. We actually had the anger and so what happens is where either one of two stages where either avoiding or angry reappointing angry and they feed each other once again. There's a symbiotic relationship. The more avoid the more I feel resentful over more resentful the more I avoid and then I do things to to distract myself whether it's gambling shopping drinking working overtime and now my body needs connection it needs rest and I blow up so the best kind of the cycle that happens so here's what she can do now. You can get clear about how whatever the issue is that you're facing how it affects your culture however you define culture. What is this issue that you've identified the elephant or in. How's it affecting your culture now. If you can articulate whether you're at middle-level high level frontline if you can't articulate how the issue affects the business in other words there's turnover because of this. We've increased our unwanted wanted turnover. We can't afford that in today's marketplace. It's affecting us that way. We're losing our best. People never lose your worst right so articulate how the business <unk> how the issue affects the business financially. You can get a free assessment for me if you wanNA email me later if they're one sheet. It's not again. I'M NOT GONNA ask you to join anything but it is a culture assessment to see if you have a culture avoidance and Tom. Region a couple of is coming up here. Here's what it looks like. It's just one she and so. It's like a poor performer continues to collect a paycheck. There's an excessive amount of turnover were departments and the top performers bullies so it's just a checklist checking off and and I'm even willing to go over with you. If you want to send an appointment. I'm taking some time in December January to do that. Where you can really look at the cultural issues that this can shift snapshot is just just a checklist. Give yourself ten points. If you're fifty or above gossip avoidance problems <hes> identify what kind of skills training your managers need to initiate conversations that results because a lot of times. It's just scale is even adding people didn't get quite the training. There's no disagreement needs to be once you get that line. Ian Recur Investment Ten Times over so I often save leaderships about anything it's about alignment and alignment is about focusing energy now I know and that's kind of complex and leaps and just take snapshot of data. Write it down thinking about it later. I'll try to make this clear. You can't have a live. If you don't have clarity you've got no one island. You're going to before you can do it. If I don't know what direction I'm going. I can't align to that so a value of your company of your organization. That's an issue that you can align to or not it can the embodied or not and so leadership about anything yet to be clear. I the linemen and alignment is about focusing energy in other words. I know where going and I'm focusing on the island peace and prosperity and now I'm getting others to row in the same direction instead rowing to the island called look what Sally did or that's not fair fair. I'm now getting alignment with my entire team and that's when it starts to get really really fun so what I know. Is that the shareholders or the owners. They simply want to get the treasure chest on the island. That's their if they want to get there. That manager wants everybody to row. Harder and faster and rower just wanted to see pictures on the boat so what you have to do. Is You have to understand that you have to see all these parts. He says the company wants to grow. The culture is probably going to have to change when the end by saying this will open up for some questions. Leadership is is not easy and and the one way you know your leaders started to get criticized. People can point out what you should have. Done could have done what they would better. You're going to truly he is this ownership entrepreneurialism and leadership those three areas. If it's really going to show you who you are that's going to be your greatest opportunity. For personal growth outside of marriage and children life offers us all kinds of avenues to get our personal growth and leadership truly is an act of courage and here's why I say that there's certain things that the leader only you can do you can get someone to be the payroll and do the hiring but only you can do your work work and you can get someone to clean the office decorate but only your inner work and when you're a leader. Peter you have to really spend more time looking in the mirror and looking out the window because if you're looking out the window you're going to say things like well. There's no budget and that may be true or everyone said alarm employees are engaged and you can find evidence and you're going to say we've got some porn performers and there's really not much. I can do and you can say I really didn't get the training that I should've gotten and are expecting more than they should and that's probably accurate to but when you're really and truly a leader you take responsibility and you look in the mirror. You say you know what this this is me. I'm the leader what are my choices. What are my next steps and what I'm why trying to get to and when you do that you're taking full ownership and you're really representing leadership from the perspective that leadership is truly an act of courage and thanking so much for being with me and I I want to open it up now Banya to see if there's any questions great. Thank you so much marlene. That was a great presentation. <hes> I've got a couple of questions here the first ones coming from Anna. She says how can I screen out dramatic employees hiring. That's really great because you can catch the end <music>. I'm Boston said the best sales job that anyone ever gives us the one where they sold you on hiring and so there are certain things were never going to really know that one thing I would do as always listen for responsible language. Listen for empowerment on. Everybody knows the answer in a workshop. Here's what I would try to listen for. Tell me a time when you weren't the hero when you messed up and what you learn from it and you might even give them that question in advance because I think sometimes I think about myself l. I don't WanNa be tricked going into an interview. I want to understand and really think deeply about hound an answer my question so I kinda come from a different place and let people have some in preparation and then do some questions that are are <hes> you know on the spur of the moment that left people think deeply about <hes> where they've you know where where they struggled dislike what. I told you with a doctor whenever I I told him off and I was pretty aggressive. I'm embarrassed about that because of what I teach I do but what I learned from it is that anybody can be caught off guard and I cleaned it up. I Apologize. I set up a meeting and we clear the air now. Unfortunately my mom didn't get to want to keep going to that doctor. Even though the next time he went he was very very nice but the trust hit already been broken so like I share that story because I never want someone think more marlene doesn't walk talk and I will say I don't all the time that I do try so you want to hear a little bit of humility of I'm introspective. Give I have made some mistakes and I have learned from it and this is what I would do in the future so I would say that would be my number one suggestion so you're looking for signs of hi emotional intelligence. I would say like what I've learned and like. I kind of know myself like I know for me. When I travel. I have to be there if I'm doing a project or seeking engage h rider workshop whatever I know myself. I have to be there. The day before that has to be included in the contract include travel my trying to be a diva now. I just know oh myself. I'm not going to be my best if I'm struggling and stressing to traffic because of the way our it's not an excuse. It's just the way that I am. I have tried to do it. The way everybody else says. uh-huh flew right in I got there. I barely made it in the naked time. I gave my presentation for about this. That's just not the life I wanna live very clear about that and so look for people that are clear clear about who they are. Either values are what their unemotional intelligence is because you'll get a lot more for someone that wants to grow as willing to share with you how how they'd learned over past and stakes thank you if anyone else has questions just <hes> type them into the chat box or use the QA function. I have another one here that says is it done. Do you have any culture team building activities or exercises you suggest to clients absolutely we can talk about that more on the the phone. I think it really it's all all be also relative. I would say as far as activities focus on the relationships because when people start to have conversations with each other and they start to feel those good endorphins and it's not just flavor of the man I think that's the problem I wanna I wanNA address it from this perspective I see initiatives like engagement and culture and he mark being very much a checklist and so it'd be very intentional and really creating conversations to hear ideas and to try to start using the ideas audiences of the people involved in what I'll say about that. Is this verb over twenty years. I was a blue collar factory worker. I mean people don't know that less they. I did on my website. I had a major trend transformation and jumped and got my degree and my masters and all that since then I've written three books and I've traveled to country all this that when I was at blue collar employ I write about this in no drama leadership a lot of times we were really asked our opinion hinge on things and there were decisions made for marketing a corporate headquarters that made our lives horrible and and I know the reason that we're not ask sometimes that front line level level is there's the mindset of Omega understand. The business will precisely that's true so a bad idea doesn't mean it's bad employees or a stupid employees. It means they don't understand the business how decisions are made especially in the fortune five hundred in the bigger businesses which I was a part of so what that means is giving bad ideas it still means they're interested in engage because they're initiating conversation so bats an opportunity to teach outs done and teach the to understand the culture of health things are done in a bigger business and wider done that way and distilling knowledge that they're engaged so I say the first focus is relationships relationships in conversation. That's when I started this. My whole intention was to improve communication of relationships everywhere because relationships they can get everything <hes> so I would say rather than worrying so much alike your question but I would say rather than thinking of it as activities think about how we can build conversation and relationship Asian ship because that's going to guide you need to go okay. That's great to maybe like building. Little teams are building groups of people to to work together to converse about something so let's say that you got an obstacle. If identified you could you could have little groups that come up with potential solutions or why they think it's happening or or you know that kind of thing you could have meeting. We're going to have a two minute. Conversation divide into groups and let's talk about this because once people feel engaged in the problems and engaged in the solutions. You're creating trust. You're creating camaraderie and then when you report back and say we had great ideas. Here's some ideas that we thought were great. We're not there yet and here's why we're still the ideas because it led to this and so when you start sharing ideas even on a small for example me working in a factory there was times when the rotations were horrible because of some dignity that marketing given us and one time I came up with a new way to rotate gave her many a break the factory factory culture. It's all about seniority doesn't matter if the lower level people are doing the harder work all day long but if he truly start talking about what's their what's right what makes life easier ear. It's about rotating in a way that gives everybody a little piece of hard work and everybody a little piece of the difficult work and when you start doing that and then you can say let's try a pilot for two nights or let's try a pilot for men and let's come back together and talk about what worked what didn't now you're not making a promise that there's a major change also not doing the flavor of the roughly talked about it but nothing happened so you actually have to execute on some of that but you just were find ways to engage conversation. Thanks <hes> and hit the next question here. How do I coach an employee. Who Doesn't take responsibility there? We seem to skew says that's I love that question. Rob Hall Workshop on that so you have to be willing first of all to understand. Why are they not getting any consequences from their irresponsibility because you can't create accountability how to build if they just keep getting my with it and so what I try to look for the short version of my excuse me I call I coaching empowerment. You want to find out if the issue is a skill a priority clarity issue or if they're just not willing because if it's a skill issue and you you know this is probably on your part may take some coaching to really get this to to help you. I I want to give you as much as I can. What you're testing for is their willingness so if you say well so I need you to train again with Kim this week because I'm thinking he met you miss this documentation. Would you be willing to train with him. Well I mean I'd have to come in early to train Kim so their best shows resistance. Which is the third third reading all drama. Yes you have to train with. Kim and you'd have to be an early willing to come in early so you don't start going to the island call bill. I ne- we're going to do it and they're like yeah but you're trying to make it more difficult to you know. I've got three kids no babysitter. You don't get into those conversations just test for willingness. Would you be willing to train being with Kim if you come in at nine thirty eight so it removes the barrier or asked him to go against the mirror because you're gonNA test for their willingness. If it's a willingness shoot you're not I couldn't change the person they're perfectly happy getting by with poor performance. You're going to have to decide what's the next step and unfortunately if they're not willing to release them yeah very true okay. This is our last question here. If a department has a lot of turnover how can I increase engagement well. I wouldn't worry about increasing engagement. I would look at the leader is if a department has turnover you. I have to get conversation and you have to understand what the real problem is is is is the lack of engagement even causing a problem. Maybe it's not so don't make an assumption that again. I worked in a factory there. Was this kind ah checklist mentality well engagement. We didn't call up that back. Then it was called something else there's always new management techniques and so on well if there are dissipating dissipating in the safety slogan if they're joining us a focus group if they're on a committee for whack history month if they're on the steering committee and volunteering your time that that's engagement and it can be but real engagement is about initiative and involvement. It's about an excitement. It's is not a checklist to have an activity to fill out a sheet so I'm not saying that's what you're doing it all but I wanted to do you provide the framework for me to talk about the ways we view which is a relationship issue. Were viewing engagement as a checklist I would really I would hire a consultant to come in and find out why there's the turnover. There's the reason and you may not get underneath that reason but I'll say it's probably the relationship with the boss because if it's the same kind of work in different departments it's either the work is not rewarding or there's the leader is negative or the leader doesn't know how to lead. I take dance lessons. I loved to do the hop and and allowed to do a swing and all this kind of stuff and I go to different places and there's different cultures different and dance instructors in different clubs where you go to learn how to do the skill and in some places. The instructor takes command of the room. You don't want to lend fifteen minutes late. It'd be chatting and nobody's ready. You know there's another place where it's like a laid back culture and not criticizing that I want to make the distinction and all has to do the leader not the people that are coming. The leader sets the tone so if there's a lack of engagement that signifying a lack of interest. It's signifying feeling beat down or disempowered empowered so it's either the work is so difficult so dirty so unrewarding whatever that is the job itself or it's the leader or or both and a Lotta. Times are really good. Leader can either make dull jobs really find an interesting and so I would say look at the leadership that you're going to have to again find ways for people to express why that's happening instead of assuming that it's because they're not engaged right <unk> <hes> this. We actually have one more question here from. Jenny just came through when building a team that is it or is it important to hire someone who has a characteristic as a leader while it's all that's such a big question. It's kind of like saying I want to go to the I wanna go the island on in the middle of the ocean which way I think it's more about clarity than it is about that. Yes it's important to relate but if we're clear like let's say for example. I'm on a team and it's really important that at least one person be able to argue and NBA like they have to have been an attorney. We'll do I need them to be my best friend or is that just part of their skill and we know that and that's fine. That's what we hired them for so I think it's more about clarity clarity. It's not about Kunai. We all have to get along. We get along because we understand the roles. Each person plays so we can all all incredibly personalities. I've been doing this for twenty years. I've got lots of work left to do so it's less about that and I do believe some of the Kobes and the all these things that we take that can really help us to get the right team members in place on not discounting that I think clarity comes I if we understand why and what people do their roles responsible also what we need a what those works are being to us. I think it's just a lot easier than expect everybody to just get along at agreed each other all the time <hes> well this. We've got a comment here. Someone said just wanted to say thank you. This was so timely and relevant to me. You're awesome. I really appreciate this advice. Don't stop don't style doc. Thank you so much. I love that because it's it's really a challenge to not be in the audience and hear the feedback to answer the question. I appreciate that comment with a live in a really do want to invite you to go to Marin Chisholm dot com. RV WANNA email me to get that culture assessment. Just pop over by so you mail great. 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PART 2: Mike Beer, Alan Foreman

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PART 2: Mike Beer, Alan Foreman

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forty seven i no you need to know where that oh no rebecca races ninety minutes ninety the come in like beer from the daily racing form joining us because well okay because eddie eddie's off doing something i is getting ready for the the move a the saratoga i don't know what he's up to i dunno maybe or did he go you know what he could have gone when was when we see a one of the dead and company show that is that a change with that last night or die before i'm not i don't think he said he was heading up the saratoga may i dunno in i know he's off yeah the entire week he deserves it deserves a couple of days off that guy though no no no no no he doesn't at all he needs he had he had all of january february march that churchill to delight letter to you you know know he's a he's a he's a he's a i forgot he's a i i guess i'm not at liberty yeah he but he's actually taking he actually got on an airplane advil it i think we wanna talk about the world's worst traveler it's not even close it's in the best is the rental cars have you ever have you ever had the listen to the car at now no it's unbelievable he first of all he's he's also he's he's not from the great drivers historically right right yeah he's he's a the best that ask ask him about the deer about the deer story a he he driving you know he basically drives now you've heard the fact that that's great it's it's a it's right up there with you know with with the tiger in the back seat of of a hangover and the the the the backseat and planes trains and automobiles at andy andy in the deer a heat when i was i had already gotten too hot springs this year and andy flew into memphis he's gonna be delighted that were talking about this yet he flew at the memphis and i i do that myself i i fly into hot a it's a little rock and then i fly home from the trip out of memphis but everyone's gonna fly in and out of memphis so he read the car at memphis and and that was a whole to do and and then he's calling me i i swear to god every twenty minutes now it says this it's it it says exit i know just the following the little rock in the end that and then he'd get closer the little rock and and it was like it which which which which exit which exit and it says after hearing here just just follow the just keep fi gave him the whole thing and then right right oh my god it was it was like one of those scenes scenes in the movie where the where the people in the tower are are are having you know a flight attendant land the plane i swear to god i believe and he was like you're upside the with a hotel what he's saying at a hotel hot springs and then he's like well where's the hotel committee it's the town is the size of a postage stamp you you you you can't you're not gonna have trouble finding the hotel which is crazy insane how he's comfortable and saratoga is comfortable weather fogo that's true and he's also of course like it in manhattan that that that's right he's in a lotta ways he's like a deer because they say dear dear don't venture more than two miles away from where they were born typically oh yeah okay yeah yeah yeah he's very comfortable in those places yes yes said that that says those there is through a that's his urban suburban setting saratoga in manhattan well less speaking of suburban setting out to long island we go and we've you know we've got the mother goose on saturday they'll draw that tomorrow but for our purposes mike a how about a three day five hundred thousand dollar to dollar pick six count carry over morosi we've got got pretty tough last weekend nobody could find the right combination and then here we are with the just a gigantic carry over i mean you know i guess you gotta feel a little bad for you know whoever those people were were alive on sunday just just to the favorite in the last 'em got beat on now maybe another to not have you had any excusing there but they were still very close 'em so you gotta feel a little bad for those guys but 'em what it leaves us with is this gigantic carry over almost one that you know if you have like you have to get involved gotta pull some fun together you get a ticket and you gotta gotta take it on this thing this is a half million dollar carryover who knows how they both can be well a couple of notes about that and i did mention it's funny i mentioned the to two hundred fifty thousand dollar a potential winters that got beat by cat lady staff feeding mike's girl by a a nose a looming ray us who's been hot lee race has been winning races and this one you're the two people they got beat i really should reach out to to call in and do but sees because there is always the chance in that setting that they were the ones that were alive as the only they have their brother veto of a fact i think you know what i'm gonna pause told that story before paul paul oh yeah greg i think greg horse the you know what it wasn't even just crank it was a horse that paul old oh my goodness that he didn't have on on that he didn't have and i don't know if it was the last leg or not it might have been earlier but he got beat out of eight they big pot asking that story first day opening day at saratoga the backyard all right well wow oh i will for sure a lot of money yeah it a that that is making laugh just thinking about it but he absolutely told that story and there was a yeah you had you had sixteen to one listen to listen to your heart winning a that maiden race the state bread of course off clermont i don't know how often you're getting lamont that thirty five dollars thirty six dollars whatever it was and on saturday a up centers including louie race with the thirty one shot that the mona hand from michelle eleven right now is enough that was only horse everything else was within our mafia yeah yeah that was the one that put it on saturday for sure and i'm trying to think what else was it didn't get gary had a gary had one but i a decent price but maybe that was a couple of weeks ago or last week i think he did have ron i all right disney i the gary's one for ray said we we've kicked off the with with with carlisle bell a gary one four five racism in seventeen days we don't think that really wasn't the only one on saturday monaghan what's the one day yeah the twenty eight the only one that that was really the only one on the horse that won the first image of you know the first leg was one of those wide open no that wasn't even the first lady that was the first monaghan right i think was the first one i get a pick six right outside of that so that was that was the first one after that it wasn't it was free yeah they were that difficult so yeah that was definitely don't wanna put on saturday that well they'll end up just looking there's a one to yeah louie louie race one two on saturday and a one that nightcap so three for him a over the weekend a good job by i guess you could say maybe the bond made in the one the stallions were paid twenty three dollars out of their homes with impossible but i wasn't there like right before fat lady stuff i guess that knocked out some tickets with a favor on second that's true that was a twenty five dollar worse to run all these hours with a maiden yeah yeah and then you had the first a that was a big price going first time out i just thought it was somebody with a little proper then saturday that's for sure well we don't care at this point because we have got six racist starting with the third tomorrow and that that gives us the opportunity to do something good and i check the weather i told everybody was waiting the after the break the weather looks okay tomorrow there's some thunderstorms today but they'll do everything they keep these races on the five out of six around the grass i think were alive keep him on right right you have out of step let me throw sprints on yeah they gotta they gotta keep these races on you only get raises a two year old five furlongs brentford brad so they they gotta stay on after all right let's let's dive in i'm going to turn the turn it over to you as the third kicks it off mile and a sixteenth on the user these were forty claimer says some and is actually quite a few good horses in ear including mr maybe who feels like he's been around fourteen years they don't feel like he's been around forever as a youngster mania newman he's he's the eight year old guy in the field on in this race and mo bridge has drawn to his inside is not so resources have been around forever arm it's it's a field of six around her fraternal 'em and i don't know man i thought it was pretty difficult to separate the sex they all they've all got a race that's gonna put it in there i think the the first thing to me anyway that stood out as you know the is apparent lack of pace in the race there's really not any speed a man i think that complicates things for a couple of other horses and you know maybe it gives an advantage on really source applicator it it just feels like you know applicator peter not that he's a big speed ball but it does feel like he could just get to the front in this race and you know i don't think that would hurt his chances he's timmy he was a hard horse the get behind on when he came to new york because brad cox claimed the source for eighty 'em last march and then only got three starts out of a one win out of the three starts but that's all he got out of him when he came back off the layoff this year on bread hadn't been for twentyfive is almost like he couldn't wait to get rid of their source on he want that day he didn't win that impressively buddy one 'em i thought he actually ran okay off the plane faludi last time he was in a common raised with a lot of these horses for resources were in that may nineteenth race i thought applicator ran pretty well and there he didn't get at a great fight in bank abiding star wired the field bomb he bought his far one very easily on a loose leed on i would applicator you got a little bit tight in the stretch and actually did pretty well the finished i have no problem with this worse i think could make the leader in this race and that could make him really hard to be on i still have a tough time you know bully trusting them but he's definitely horse i'm using a the pace of the raise also makes me wanna use show laco in some way i can can be eight and he's the longest shot on the board as far as the tour forces go and he hasn't won a race on turf since november of twenty sixteen it's been a long time to this worth wanna turf race but i think it's worth remembering that he was a good turf wars early in his career there was a run here especially in new york where he won five out of six races on turf and he was he he was really good early they've been mostly concentrate on a dirt with him lately but he can handle turf and he's got speed i think you're gonna get forward in this race on jose ortiz takes them out you know he's gonna try and get this worst born from the outside post i dunno i i don't know if he's if he's in the form now his form does seem like maybe heading the wrong way but he's got a raise in him that would make them tossing if you get the right trip in this race so you know he's one i liked him including going back to mr maybe you were talking about the the office i i'm using that horse on he has been around forever he's another horse is not what he used to be i think he's run while in his first two starts off the layoff though he came back at this level in that abiding stories and he ran great to be second he was a big price but there was no pace he was out there three and four wide be entire way on chasing around the turn i thought he did really well to get back in that race and he would just into tough last time that that'd be able to talk to him he's still ran is raise that day as far as i could tell he's come back in good form on i'm using him and he was acting my topic in the race on in in my analysis you know mobile the morning line favorite steve he could win there's nothing wrong with bridge he crushed a state by twenty five players last time he he's an interesting horse because he's only one in new york 'em and he's he's one eight races in new york in his career he's only one again state brad's 'em in new york he's never won an open race in new york he he went through is your current conditions as a young horse an every new york when since then has been a state bread twentyfive claim i just like the last one that's all of his wins in new york since he got through his condition so you know he's found it a little bit tougher when they step up like this he did win on open allowance race the fairgrounds 'em in january he ran pretty well that day but i dunno i could see mobile winning i wouldn't want it completely leave him out but but i don't know he doesn't have to win this race has the favorite he is off the plane for cancer macci who i think he's doing a really good job but he's not he's got something to prove as a trainer you know he's he's only starting twenty horses on tariffs over the past five years and just one turf winner over the past five years so this is what he does on but this is a good horse mailbag i think he's kind of cameras were you don't care who trains on the disco run for anybody but you know i'm a little skeptical nights if you don't see a deanna nology of of the name robert robert now yeah what if we i seidler a block this a veteran indigo shiner originally and a name the name mo bridge for belmont it's his hometown oh you know what i think i did hear that that's right okay i forgot we had the story that the start of his career that's for sure we oh we sleep i remember we sent me a text oh i got the greatest indigo shiner in history i gotta have you gotta be the best indigo shiner ever any you know he useful useful down in south america there might be some horses i would argue and say well i'm the best indigo shine around that's exactly what he's made four hundred thousand and then he's been around a lot of that hard rock solid that are no doubt speaking speaking a rock solid guys let let's let's let's acknowledge a let's acknowledge the the work this out cone does because he's got hard won't tap first off the claim taking one here from michael stem and coming right back to the the forty forty thousand and i i don't think the tacona we went out and won in california is now back a fulltime and consistently wins and a i i'm impressed gets on you know on zone horses and a i is this proving very capable yeah i'm impressed with him to he's he's a really good young trainer on he's another this is the second truck on the morning line i guess you know the one thing you have to say about this source who also has plenty of races are gonna win as they just don't have any case he must be so we'll see if this race that's up well for him on the last race when they ran over forty it certainly didn't he wasn't that abiding star race and you could just tell by the time they got to the top the stretch he he didn't really have a chance in that race he had a lot of ground to make up and he actually finished really well adjustments third in that race so yeah i mean if he did anything at all i would expect to see him running at the end of this right for sure well these issues you got here there are six sources available a you know that that could go post word and this there is not an easy toss only are we didn't talk about his golden spear and steve sarah's eminently capable and a you know he's seems to be at the right level the worst they got kinda passed around a little bit earlier this winter and a second off of a brief rationing sixty days little less forty five days in the steeple sarasota steve was there is not a guy a big money that you wanna just the gloss over right and other horse who has some speed to so you could see the stores would i read you know maybe if i go for the first 'cause he could do it i mean i didn't love his last race on his first off the claim he was you know that common race it abiding star when he didn't really do any running at all in there and he got a good trip but you know he was off a little bit of a layoff so you know maybe he needed it and maybe we'll get more aggressive this time i know i'm with you i don't think there wasn't easy toss in this race it's one of those things when you're playing the picks section and you gotta decide it's not just about you know how many you wanna using this race you gotta think about how many years down the line to and and try and figure out which of the races you wanna spread in which other races you wanna try narrow down if you can i thought this was one you didn't wanna maybe narrow it down to far because a lot of these horses well if you wanna buy the race you're gonna use the two three four six seven eight and i'm sure big budgets will buy this race yeah i would think so i think the yeah the the syndicate syndicate stuff like that yeah they'll they'll have all these horses covered in some way that's for sure i think it's wide open mike on a budget you you gotta narrow budget you could only used to do you just using your top two yeah you know i think so i mean i definitely want to use mr maybe on you know again he's he's one of those horses though you know what the pace of the raise it could work against and i definitely want to use him now i'm 'cause i like his last two races and i i did wanna get applicator on their tom izzo three for free i think wow just all right so on a budget three four and if a if you if you've got the the deep pockets i think you're buying it to make sure that you get through let's go to the second leg it's the first to be a turf sprint an were going six furlongs on the wide there these are either eighty thousand dollar a claim ers or a conditions and a three in ups that have never won ten thousand blah blah blah and nobody is in for the tag so we've got you know everybody fitting that they allow its condition and so this is a good group there's some there's some steak billers in here yeah this this there's a good field divorces seven ovum added fraternal there is a main track only on yeah listen i i think this might be one of the races where a lot of people especially the smaller budgets will go m v eight a move talkative offer chad brown on you know i'm just gonna sixty five on the morning line he just ran in eighty nine buyer and his stateside debut and 'em yeah i'm gonna sort of lean there because i want it you know spreading other races i can see it on you know we'll see what happened he wasn't a horse that i necessarily want the single but you know i don't see how you play there the sequence and you don't use them he hit his first start over here at gulfstream with the to turn mile off of a very long way off in a you know he got beat at they end on what it was close he was very headstrong in that race of pace was very slow on and he didn't have any excuses for crypto he got a good one but he was just very rank early in a race like he didn't wanna be rated as strongly as he was he made the league and he got run down at the end of the race but the horse ran down and see major is todd pletcher horses one three races in a row on that was his third a that was his third straight win i would i buyers or seems like he could be headed the right way 'em i dunno steve this horse he could obviously went on he he was affective sprinting as young horse in europe his he starts with two year old were all sprints a second third he wound up the end of the year a seven furlongs when you only make one start as a three year old so something happened to us ended up here i'm you know i'm using him in the pick six i'm not singling them on because i like a resource on the rail all systems go i'm definitely definitely wanna use disorders 'em he's the worst of all be buddy to win a car in that you wanna use him in the pick six he yeah his career debut sprinting on turf i thought was a really good after he won that race very easily on he came back in his second start in the bridgetown aqueducts they totally blew the breaker that race he ran a lot better than it looks on and then he was gone for almost a full year and he came up off the layoff fraternal the last time they random on dirt it almost feels like they were prepping them on he wound up down on the rail even behind me got shuffled out to the back of the pack around the turn and then he was you know racing onto the district i thought it was a perfect raise off the layoff and now he's back on turf and i just think this is good so i definitely wanna use him i could see maybe just using the morning eighty not at the races that easy but i could see just using those two horses this is a lot of my tickets a point here because you know they only other horses entrusted me at all were or lawn twist rubio who feels almost like last time was the time they happen but he's a good horse i'm not knocking him in don colonel tom the new york red who's running a couple of fast racism could make the leading here but they would be sort of my backup was speaking of a rubber foul cone how about the van him getting horses from the generosity oh and here's the good old discretionary mark a first time for him in the first time also about a six and a half months layoff yeah i mean listen he's awful i often hear like a couple of other horses are too but he's one of the greatest four four seven at belmont he's always right there he did you know he was really no match for colonel tom when they ran against each other at saratoga last summer but you know he finished a good second that day i could see the source spineless right i thought he wasn't a little tough year especially when you know bring the layoff into it but yeah listen i'm glad the cfl come getting horses per owners like that because he seems like the kind of guy could do really well for those guys and i'm he deserves the chance but you know he was a horse who i i wasn't that interested in this race on but he did something wrong that horse there's nothing wrong with a lot of arson and there's even a banana thief finance he might be looking to get out the saratoga 'em he he tentative on really well and shorter turf sprint they run up there but it was nothing wrong with his race off the layoff either rap music well it does feel like there's real pace jason here for the horses that are gonna come from off the pace and that includes banana fief who's you know who's richard is okay at at belmont and a banana thief at this point has had a really nice long extended a career with the clark brewster and a look forward to speaking of saratoga and people look forward to it look forward to seeing seeing clark leaning on the fence over by the racing office a look at it horses as they walked by that he could drop this lips on the claim a a horse had a busy year since last summer at saratoga he's been quite prominent in in the news for those of you the follow a celebrity lawyers hot so let's say let's say what the budget you wanna use the one in eight yeah they were the my main to win here you know like a backup with the two in the four but a very at the one i would try and get through without you got it let's go to the third leg mike beer with this one the racing form of course mile and a sixteenth year maybe flavors vert fifty thousand and it's really a classic scenario where you got some horses that have had their chances but then you've got a couple of lightly raced ones which is usually voted the way you lean a there's also a kind of an interesting pace scenario with a couple maybe maybe one horse in particular i i i don't know a i don't know whiskey is my wine maybe on the leader or is it hey i initiative you know some one of one of the other but yeah it feels like yeah this is my wife and i were saying you know based on the race he ran first time out you know and he's got be outside post so you know jose properties go out there but on yeah i think so i think you know you're idea with i initiative is probably a good one because when you watch his race is it feels like they almost half the go with him because he's not gonna be able to win on any other way and there's i don't know if he can win anyway he's you know he's got racism making a contender and here but you know last time and listen it was a little bit of a layoff you know and with a trainer change i don't know what happened last time he didn't really right all last time on where they took him back off the pace so i would think they gotta go forward with on because that's where all of his so called good races are he really hasn't run that well on too many times he just one of his worst who's had a chance is like even when he's been with the second and third in four of his a in his last four starts before the last one he would either second third but he didn't have any excuses in any of those races so it's not like he's on luckier anything he just he just happens and not be that good 'em a triple go along way for him in here on this is just another race steve where i feel like crypto gold is probably the right horse on who am i dropped him last time his first start at belmont he won but with disqualified and it was what would you do to i guess he did interfere with the worst coming they were both china split at the same old same time and he did he did bump that horse a buddy but he won that race if you want that race back you know i guess he's the worst be i i will just say about that raise the maiden forty last time he got aside from the little bumping he got a great closures trip in that race there were pace in front of the pace was contested and he got the right inside ronnie never lost any ground you came right through between arches anyone on you used in this race but that's the same rights the whiskey is my line would say viewing it this is my wine with the warriors who you sort of set the whole offer everybody i mean he went to the leading their the pace was legit andy he wasn't lucy had a horse right up there with him just sort of process the entire way never got a breather i feel like he ran really well in his debut on an i wanna use him on crypto gold and they they were gonna be my main to win here if i backed up maybe i would use daft the nine a claim for rudy last time he just got in a little bit to top diplomat he he he didn't he was never gonna win that race in run bad i thought he improved i could i'm doing a little bit better economic lane with a little bit of a class drop you i'm glad you mentioned daft end since you mentioned daft i'm gonna point out spindle top and i i want i want everybody to do with exercise that is what am i favored visual clues and indicators a particularly with with maidens and that is when you see lines and you see horses who suddenly not not necessarily suddenly but are moving closer and closer to the league and then even holding the league and you look at his last race and in florida in february where after his his first two starts in october and december at the end of a eighteen in the beginning in nineteen you know he basically was getting fitness this is karen mclaughlin he got the gotta start out of the way on dirt karen then made the decision okay he's a turf wars got the turf debut and stretched out to a mile kind of went around actually didn't lose any ground a late then in these last two start suddenly he's on or near the weed then he's got the league and when you get drawn arrow across the running lines where the ones and we're being in contact with speed is on display you can project that a horse is going to run very well and invariably when i see this it's a horse that i have to use or sometimes even you know really key off if the price is right when i see them showing speed and an increasing their ability to stay with the pace in almost always points to better things to come yeah that's very true absolutely right about that you always wanna take no enforces starting the show more speed yeah i mean this horse he he's probably getting to the right level to now dropping infer fifty is probably what this horse needs because i felt like his career his turf debut the first turf race at gulfstream i just you ran okay in that race he was sort of a no threat third but i actually felt like he ran okay in his last two starts on is good is that one but on he's starting to get to the right level now andy starting to show more speed on so yeah you're right that's a horse but you wanna definitely keep an eye in this race but it's not like nothing personal goals the favorite and he is gonna be the famous rates i north of not half of what he is you know he's okay but he does not have to win this race at a short price well the problem is the problem that you've got with him is a free starters we should also note there's a real chance that the the turf will be good or yielding tomorrow a given you know we don't know how much thunderstorm activity you're gonna get today so there may be some horses that are gonna get ground that that we haven't seen and in fact spindle top i just noting ran that race a in in midmay on good going so well and i on that but again you're looking at eight and the ten as the maine's you like the nine is a backup i'm gonna throw in the six as a backup as well and certainly the start the pick four second half of this pick six sequence you mentioned the main group here new york bread two year olds it say a it's a small group and a it say a kind of a fascinating fascinating a six pack of fires a you got by earned who got his first winter as a value in north america a at indiana the other day and then freud a cairo prince street boss on m c i think this might be one of the first emc's that that were seeing and justin fill up this is rudy rod making his second start who just got the kind of a swamp late an you know feels like a you know he's a major player and of course my engelhardt he's got that m c a this is the sequel a it's a home bred of sequels and a all guns blazing given my is reputation with first there's a hard not to start the conversation with all guns blazing yeah right 'em yeah you lie as first time starter you take very seriously that's for sure i take them off seriously um you see about this one emcee as you mentioned his you know relatively new 'em so we'll see how it all do i actually feel like we start in i've already starting to see some of them they can run a little bit 'em wherever it's worth over thirteen so far with a juvenile baby runners but that's you know to small sample the draw any conclusions from on the damn side of the the only other far this is mayor was also a sequel home bred jeremiah trained in was a debut winner a that was on older horse on turf that hosting debuts a two year old 'em at the only starts so far it's been on turf but he did win as the first time starter m you see i think it's the kind of horse in this field i would be using because you know the horses that have run there okay i thought just envision outside rooting the rail rudy i thought the of adjusting vision you know ram pretty well first time out i mean that was a pretty fast pace he out ran a couple of horses to delete including a very heavy favorite from pleasures bond he just outweigh on that horse of the fought on an you could tell by the time they got the mid stretch on just division wasn't gonna make it to the finish she was tired he was on his long we'd end he was just looking for somewhere to lay down and the one two finishers came running from the back of the pack they were last the next to last and they came running from the back and they and they ran down lady all things considered he actually went pretty well on that on so i liked him on my definitely wanna use them but i you know i gotta use dangle her first or i i'm a little more conflicted about us all breaker who 'em they paid a horn twenty thousand four as a wing 'em it's robert penta and jonathan thomas you know the connections over there for this horse i dunno steve sleep well he's he's a really good fire it's it's sort of interesting to look up street boss because he's he's a really a really good sire 'em he was a nineteen percent of a juvenile debut runners which i was a little surprised when i look that up but he he's he's really good with horses like the the dancers pedigrees ashley a lot of there's a lot of good horses under here the basketball from the band with a tear force a wild about harry who won four times all i'm sure if it was a baby winter 'em near the dam was debut winter sucking bama's debut winter there's a lot of coffee in the pedigree on the morning line favorite sources thomas doesn't have great numbers with horses with his two year old first time starters on dirt but i don't maybe try and find a way to include the source to i dunno i thought about this very topic would be one for me where i would figure out the rest of my ticket first and then just come back and try and figure out how many i needed to you is how many i could afford fair enough that that that's a reasonable approach because there may be a little bit as we get to be in the last like i think there might be a horse the stand west a deed nominal a feature tomorrow is a state bread a philly a in maryland what's first level going six a on the wider and a dm ceo's you got two of them so adding entry a so were looking at what eight the betting interests right yeah this is one of those races where you know talking about horses who have had their chances and you know it just it there are a lot of horses in here who are just really hard the take not it they would you know not you fall over if they wound up winning but they would just be harder take i like horses on me outside on i didn't find it necessarily that easy to narrow it down but maybe you know for me anyway to eight and one backup on i like a lengthy a eight m who i just thought was really interested in this race because as a two year old a first of all this horse debuted very early last year at belmont and got that for charlie baker's 'em they this horse took a ton of money jones speed and then just totally stopped in the stretch and as it turns out when you start watching her go on 'em last year you know she just she can't stand up on faster she doesn't run at all and faster and unfortunately for her charlie baker tried to get her on turf at saratoga when politicians rain last summer and he couldn't get a turf florida go 'em she did went on this in the in the slop angie came back off the layoff with a trainer changed using a tool like claimer at laurel bird turf they do that's what baker wanna deal with sprint around the grass and she added in that race you won that race very cheap raise she wasn't very easily 'em and now she's back here on for the next hour in new york spray on the grass 'em i think the sources gonna be very tough in this race on so i'm gonna use her and i think jaded lady 'em for from my a makes a lotta sense in this race you know if you wonder if they deal with saratoga they tried to stakes were there at the end of the year she's not that kind of horse in you you know she came off the last going seven furlongs i just think that there's a little too far for her and she wound up contesting the pace and you know she just i thought you overall she ran okay it wasn't a great performance for her but it was a step in the right direction as far as figures go and now she gets go sex and i just i feel like she might be the horse it'd be so eight and ten 'em i'll use eighty lady on you know she's the morning line favorite she's already lost twice says the favorite in her first to start spreading on turf in when terrible either time on but you know i don't know how many more chance you wanna give a horse like her i i would rather backup you're seeking win but i prefer the gate in the county fair enough a couple of nibble errors in in it's kind of interesting types a given given the fact that that he seems to be it's turned into a fulltime a turf the assassin tom albert tranny a it's a keeper a you know who broke the maiden what to back in the even improved despite you know what looks like a moderate effort last time a but a it's it's a keeper a kind of a knockout you know type of all wars an how do you not respect the quest that even though you know it's not a not a mayor the that wins a often but you know very frequently he shows up and is is you know stylistically could be dangerous if if forties i mean you you put around or tease on on quest that a a i think she's a little dangerous said at eight to one yeah the rider change is certainly a little interesting i listen she's got figures that that really maker dangerous in this race so i don't think he does want to dismiss the right hand on i'm i'm not a big fan of hers i've obviously he's been around forever i've seen her on plenty of times i wonder if she's really on you know the kind of horse you know that one ex new york bread kind of horse i i don't know that she has i think he's probably a little cheaper the mess on put you know she's got figures that makes sense and i read taken amount could turn your head i'm more interested in any other option it's a keeper you know she's got she has to improve at some point on even though she won a off that little layoff in may it's not like you took a big step forward in that race she just got this perfect trip and then made the league and all through the stretch it looked like you were gonna get run down and she just kept holding on i wasn't something furlong right so i'm now she's back the six i do think six is the better distance for her you know last time you know what can you say she yeah she just i thought you meant okay in that race but again another race where she didn't really take a step forward 'em at some point she's gotta take a step forward if you're gonna get through this condition they're gonna be hard for her to win her one a condition new york right if she's gonna be running mid fifty buyers fair enough a couple of notable elements to this a this is the worst that that robert messy yellow and tom albert tranny read an v v unfortunate deal faded brilliant speed mrs weather's nice dinah former andy tom obviously got a few seasons andy here she is a you know a three year old i think i've kind of interesting fighters key is a horse it alber tranny trained if you remember a time out attorney train finders key for mass yellow and so this is a a nice a nice hybrid story and i don't know this feels like a horse that has got upside and the given given the given the brilliance speed in that nobody's really gonna know much because of his abbreviated be aided stallion career and i i i think there's a chance at this horse keeps getting better and having broken through you know in may with the returned a grass i i think she's a little sneaky in and and dangerous i need to check the what do we looking at pricewise twelve to one that's me yeah she's like alright so will call for you will call me eight and attended hey the nine of b and let's agree that the the five is a see how about that yeah they had five her sure yeah that's when you wanna keep an open mind to you could afford it for sure well against the nightcap the state bread maiden forties back to the inner turf we go a on me lawn and a quite a few of these have had every opportunity to win and it just feels like you wanna lean toward you know somebody that that is is under exposed as opposed over exposed right right that's that's exactly exactly how i looked at it a you know you have a class droppers that you just you know obviously wanna take a look at first because you know multiple sources have it's been you know knocking around around this level forever and they're just not very good on the first of all did you come across the number three fusi i don't know steve i mean they do the pet national in an open made in ways finished i thought okay third the fifty eight by pulitzer there you know and i thought she ran fight i thought it was a little interesting that they're gonna come seventy your credit they viewed out of town so they come to new york with their now and off of a decent third in a computer bay deals are gonna wonder if the forty not gonna even try and get into a state red meat and special whether it's just see what happens 'em she's one of those horses that i could use you know for sure i didn't love her but i could user against this field i've gone gone gone both the promise she made a lot of sense actually felt like a protest idea what's good on that wasn't april awful layoffs she was third to zippy who's a really nice horse 'em and i thought this ran okay was never gonna win that race but ran okay it'd be third and then just they tried seven last time time you know she was nowhere again but fetching 'em with a coffee first hurdle actually ran well and they came out of that race well again in allowance race with a seventy two buyer so this was dropping makes a lotta sense on the horse i was most interested in at a at a price 'em but i'm gonna using this race is a maker source 'em cosby outside in here just because it's an interesting think this horse debut going long at gulfstream 'em a year ago and just didn't really run that well on the name is that he's never ready but a long layoff after that raise comes back sprinting this condition and just if you watch the replay that raise just really didn't have any chance at all it felt like she needed the race anyway and then you know wound up back off the pace and you could see the winter came in the stretch or tease out or over behind horses she couldn't ron she wound up taking a stumble at the top of the stretch because she had no room and then she was this block the rest of the way i mean i i just i feel like that ronnie in line is very deceptive for her last race and she might actually we'd be ready to take a step forward against the feel like this it's not gonna take much for her to be able to contend with these horses so i was very interested in in her at a price especially because she just doesn't look like anything on paper i'm definitely gonna use or and you know maybe if you wanna add one more you're cutting include miss that pat per the doctor who without the layoff last time in the level in here man find interesting about that rises on this wars broke really sharply from the gate so you might see those words get a lot more involved defined a source was super sharp from the gate last time on but the space with a little fast so frankly i think did the right thing in and tried to raider and then she ran find any second now you might be the first a little bit more forward this time yeah i can't i can't add anything a clever a firm that you know after that i i'm trying to look at a pace the scenarios and who you know who might somehow ended up you know 'cause they're they're really there aren't a lot of parties interested in the front endear it's true that the other thing about this race tickets all the sort of logical fickle if you're just looking like the class drivers are the ones who have actually run well they don't real they're not really speed or so so yeah that could complicate things a little bit you know you wind up in a race with a you know a big long shot out there on the leading you know who knows what's gonna happen from but i was just hoping that that maker horse you know maybe they just won't have any speed at all but had a little seed in his debut that wasn't you know trout obviously the forward in that race i wonder if that was the brakes a little bit this time second half and get this alternative like okay we got a couple of a we do have a couple of names in here a jock wise that i wanna harry hernandez who what a race for us a while ago i i like harry hernandez a i you know we typically see him at a at a finger lakes and he's been he's been riding in jersey in and a new york here and there and over the winter end how about who is this who who's helped me with a i got a call a i gotta call my my pal john discuss what do we know about this a human hockey hockey yeah he's yeah he's just relatively new here he won a couple of races the last a couple of weeks ago he's not he's not betty you're obviously he's new on the circuit he's not writing you know a bunch of big name horses seven pound bug but there's there's nothing wrong with having i mean he's actually some really good arrive good all right well then i i could i could seven pounds always attracted we've we've we've got a we've got are are new york read the phillies we've got just a minute mouse it if we raise the stay on the grass maybe it will give hark you will hearkens a hard line that it wasn't he's riding a horse could potentially be he's gonna get the league she's gonna get the leading like seattle is absolutely when i'm in the form of obviously you have to be concerned about her overall foreign but there'll be no as year assan well she's over fifteen you've also got that very knowing you've gone wild there isn't anybody listening please pick sixes that hasn't used you've gone wild on a ticket along the way and and and you know just wanted to one of the dow jar eyes out after using why would i waste a mall bridal on this source 'cause you don't see it at some point at some point she's gonna win a race is over twenty now i i like you know you're right about that gives you know she is and she almost did last time and i i feel like that a lot about a lot of by rodriguez you below sources anyway whenever i see him i'm like i don't care if that horse of the big prize i i might have to try and find a way to get that like on that there is one first there to the we should at least make people aware of angels in a superpac quick and back working with a first or yeah i bet you know that's very true pack looks at north of the flight to but yet packs of i think he's a very underrated trainer and he got a car most aride those who are you know that's another otherwise i mean this doesn't have much to win this race i mean who knows if if she can run but she doesn't have much to win this race this is not an easy way the ended that's for sure i mean i think when you start when you look at this race you feel like there's only you know they're bunch of horse but they've had there's only a couple of ways yeah you really going here but the more you look at this right yeah the trick here i think at the con well don't over think it so let's let's potentially a give everybody a simple approach with mike's analysis this a two by two by two by two by three by maybe three or two so the three four wip the one eight would be eight ten what the six seven eight nine ten or eight ten if you just wanna go to deepen the seven and then the three sex with or without the ten so a either a you could get away here that would be a the chip to ninety it would be a hundred ninety two dollar ticket ticket if you went to buy two by two by two by three by to a or if you if you went and if you added the the the third horse a you know you would kick it up obviously but nine eighteen thirty six seventy two one forty for that'd be a two eighty eight ticket yeah what am i i know you try not to go go to crazy weather but of course if you could get partners you can obviously i mean i think you obviously wanna if you can you know sort of split up here and try and press you're you're stronger opinions that's usually the smartest way to do it but listen if you can't if you don't have time to do it that way if you just want a foot went in and grab a body in a split second guessing you gotta play this thing there's too much money in the pool exactly what do you think by the way what do you think the pool that i you know i i don't know i'm terrible and stuff like that but what if the kerry was five hundred thousand right i mean isn't it yeah i mean there i mean this thing's gonna be huge i mean i don't even what what is the biggest do we know what the biggest part has been 'cause we've had some big ones in the last year so i mean what is the biggest what's the biggest pick six pullback i don't even i don't even know in new york we gotta have yeah the bigger you mean like the biggest carryover about don't yet know the avenue a sign from carry over now but this is one of the biggest carry over mouth but what's the biggest they've got it up to into a big carry over i mean we need andy we need any of these yeah i mean but this is gonna be right up there with that i mean this is this is a huge harry over well having it on wednesday after two days off that helps people have forgotten about that yeah they get there sneak into their kids room in and steal money in and out of the they gathered are falling well at of course they were gathering the belongings i don't have to move up but state i love you're already a by a you're coming up right for the the summer yeah that'll be out there for the meat i'll be up there another day or two before i guess and i'll be in there for the long haul well we're looking forward to it and the senate will have to make you a will have to make you wait they sunday visitor loose on the league that yeah definitely i'll be out there for sure reach anytime there's well because you know if you if you've ever watched us but a you know it's basically it's basically sixty minute opportunity to make fun of seth that pets essentially a show and then it except right and i love that absolutely even higher i've even got george weaver before his annual visit the joy even george now a new york knicks got oh yeah absolutely hokey pokey find it said that the face of go tv absolutely my beer thank you buddy i appreciate it i thought they could lock them you to buy beer everybody and you should be following my guy who's got it's really a a great approach and he comes at it from different angles and the not afraid to 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headline of the weekend which is just really eight eight outlandish and a just a head shaking a banning of a one of the one of the top a horseman in not just california history but it in in the game's history jerry holland offer a buffer seemingly a purchase a set of reasons that that haven't been stated a base it leaves been left out there dangle like a pin yada allen what what is going on here legally and the terms of horsemen's rights and racetrack having freehand do whatever they want well first of all we we don't know the reason why he was banned by the stronach group and i suspect we probably will never know 'em the laws as is fairly settled in this area that racetracks had make common law right to exclude whomever they want from their property since it's private property so wrong disney exclusion it's not for a violation of a person's civil rights and that's been historically the case it's been tested many times and it is he would call the majority of view in me a bunch of her legs to horse racing sing and racetracks and the exclusion making exclude anyone no there there are exceptions 'em and what we've seen some developing exceptions particularly as it relates to a race tracks come casinos and the regulatory environment become somewhat different in some states that permit casinos give song casino workers the whites hearings before they lose their jobs are excluded because they are licensees an at least you argument that has been made in horse racing is that it's one thing to exclude a patron for whatever reason but you when you have someone who is licensed by regulatory authority and they're not violating the what we call the rules of racing then attract should should not be permitted to exclude that individual there is at least at least one state west virginia that requires eight race track to give the hearing to eight licensee who the track desires to ban in or exclude in that hearing goes to the racing commission in the racing commission kid over all the racetrack but that's a statutory requirement in the courts have found that a is that if the legislature in that state axe to void the common all right it has the ability to do so if i'm not mistaken pennsylvania in when they when they legalize slot machines in shots at the racetrack also included a similar publishing in their in their straight framework but separate and apart from that and i i'm not a california lawyers so i'm not prepared to argue what's legal or not legal in california but a mean generally speaking a the stronach group is acting within their rights whether we think that's right longer different day that she she's exercise right of exclusion and they're not likely together reasoning typically in these situations you don't give a reason because you don't wanna create an environment where they may be subject to litigation because of the recent makes sense a the question becomes a of course a in terms of arbitrary and and potentially arbitrary how how you know everyone else views this and of course the damage a of not providing aid specific a sighting any specific concerns i mean just just having for horses and to golden gate having six horses since the start of both meets a end up dying in how how is how is that i mean it is is that enough in your mind allen it's just a dismissive of a trainer that sends out as many horses in his training as many horses i'm gonna i'll have numbers by the end of the day specifically of how many starts as we know how many starts of also how many workouts a hundred or so horses holland or four trains a because based on on some projections it it appears that he is had between starts at works as many is three thousand a combined which given the two per thousand figures industry is is basically works where in terms of a star fatalities starts it six injuries or fatalities would be pretty much expected statistically from a guy that has this many horses well you know you have detroit carefully here i mean i just caviar i've been criticized by some in california for some of the public statements i've made in the press related to what's been going on out there and to some extent maybe that's fair we were were apple operating in a vacuum we we had very little in the way of facts relating to a thirty fatalities that occurred in california 'em i look back at the report that we did in new york where we very meticulously described each of the horses who suffered a fatal breakdown and all the circumstances surrounding medication practices trading practices and the like and you know decisions were made they've stolen information that have been developed in here were all operating raul operating in a vacuum and that makes it very difficult civil dealing with their but many people believed to be knee jerk reactions to to what is going one 'em and you look jerry hollandsworth or was who's barred today after a cnn that's been said which suggests that holland worker was an aberration a and nobody's doing anything about it i mean the guy goes from being the most highly rated one of the most highly respected trainers in california highly respected across the country to a pariah in twenty four hours and the more you you know you're you're you scratch your head about it and i think what bothers the people who have been contacting tracting men of course moxham lit up and others that is that it continues to perpetuate this narrative but these breakdowns were clause by corrupt trainers and the owners who were not interested in industry industry were for men who are willing to do anything to take this industry down it is it really is a it's a canard it's unfair but it's in our marriage it's been perpetuated and there is continuing deflection in this direction and from a while there are many factors because these breakdowns a you know listen something changed at santa anita this year when you see a change it's a red flag we learned that when we get are investigation work in that focus needs to be one what we different what changed a causal this in in finally they've had all these initiatives in place for well over two months including increased initiatives and yet horses continue to break down doesn't that raise red flags as to you know what's what really is going on here so yeah you bring you bring in you bring in another element of this allen that i'd i'd love for you to address which is they they owner recourse end these five person you wanna talk again arbitrary no reasons these v five person review panel a that is deciding now who gets to pass the tree box a an even more distressing a who gets removed once at trees have been taken andy thee the one of the biggest embarrassments here is is t o c and the cpt who have clearly a rolled over a are not representing the the two entities they're supposed to be representing a beacon certainly the tlc i mean i haven't heard one teeth with horses just some early yanked out of races including the dishes who had thee for the five favorite in the middle layer on sunday a and and you know the the quote the abundance of caution of caution it they don't it doesn't appear that the track themselves have any confidence in these these layers of of protections is that they've created a yeah that that's one concern now we're gonna shift the scene the low south end to del mar end a this five person authority is gonna decide the trees at that these facilities what what's the owners writes in here end at who's supposed to be standing up for them well steve i think you have to take into consideration and lee environment in california right now which is unlike anywhere else in the country but certainly is something that we all have to pay attention to they have a state government that is breathing down their backs and they are threatened by potential ballot initiatives that could threaten the viability in future of horse racing in california we all understand that which is why it is so important that we get the facts and they make evidence based decisions based on those facts i am a big believer in that and i think that the results in the mid atlantic particularly new york i mean people really ought take a close look at what's going on in new york because we work implement it evidence based reforms of our analysis that have led to new york having the lowest breakdown rate in its history if not in the country and they're not doing anything terribly different than the rest of the mid atlantic and maybe california has been doing something different but it works and so there at this point i think they're scrambling to try to limit the damage and to make came industry until they can get a sense of stability in show you're gonna see me these kinds of reactions or else you know they face the prospect the state government shutting down a so i understand it 'em i just looked forward to some reports court some information coming out that is gonna help the answer questions because all you have right now questions you don't have answers and lots of flurries what a what what do you expect and what have you heard in in conversation with the breeders cup and what the what what is the right thing to do and what do you think will happen when they get together later this week courtesy run i look i i a it's it's an extraordinarily difficult decision for breeders cup of a by the debate is very public debate now out whether the viability and future of california racing who's threat the breeders cup don't you show up vote of confidence in california racing california insurance reclaiming the truck surfaces save that they've got the best ones in the world and that the industry needs to stand behind california racing there are others who say that you put industry in turlock you go out there without having the answers to the questions have been raised without seeing what investigation show and that the sacred more prudent thing to do would be churchill m i am i perked bearing rumors about what the breeders cup boards gonna do i don't think anybody knows what they're gonna do they'll they'll have their meeting i guess it's thursday and they'll make what they think is the best decision they can a i just hope that whatever happens going forward that evidence based decisions are made in this narrative reformist versus corrupt trainers and the owners and drug portions going to a working out a all all the different numbers there after the just needs to you know we just need answers at this point will learn and not scapegoats and that's that's it's quite frankly i look i again we we don't have the facts in california i applaud myra where you know a a honoring their agreement with jury home to offer a and there is no more meticulous program sake you offer a program that in new york under the direction of scott palmer it looks terrific a do the results show it and a week you hear about how great things were in california people wanna take a look at the mid atlantic and the mid atlantic strategic planning and the things that we are doing it will continue to do a to ensure the safety of all of our horses because it's a far different story than what is going on at santa anita well you know we we know from us come some conversations a during belmont day actually add that every attempt that and i completely understand every attempt is gonna be made to the ron at at santa anita and a can't i i completely understand a and there's there's plenty of reasons to just stay i added i don't think it's concern even necessarily just over the you know the the two days the concern is you you are dealing with an unknown factor september october after the summer after the summer session at at del mar when racing returns turns and you that's unknown it's not you know it's not concerned about the safety during the two days it it it is that you know toxic atmosphere so that will just with play that you know play that ball where where where it lands a couple of other let's shift gears allen we've got about ten minutes and a couple of topics will stay with localities for a minute a there wasn't attempt in the new york legislature to help thee equine practitioners that a are are you know non veterinary staff a dying volts of course the the personality specifically specifically involved in this a what's the latest because i saw where a at the eleventh hour when it looked like there was a resolution a some things some things kind of unraveled welby at the department of education new york objected to the legislation they continue the claim that 'em the practice of acquiring therapy is reserved for a veterinarian in that techs and should should not be permitted to be performed by lay people off as i said when i've been on your show in the past 'em it's the same position they took with respect echoing dentistry and we work appellate courts unanimously overall the department of education and we continue the take that position but so long as they objected legislatively 'em we ran into a little blocking the legislature that they would not meet the bill having said that we are in conversations with the department department of education in hopes that we can resolve the matter with into their satisfaction in the are satisfaction and a guy i won't say i'm optimistic or i'm not optimistic but a and over the next week or so there will be conversations and our hope is gonna continue to push to get this resolved without having to litigate without having to go back to the legislature and hopefully to get this done in time forty opening up the saratoga meat so the conversations are continuing and will continue to do we need the do including if necessary 'em follow suit to a challenge the decision at the department of education says well this is a this is just bury our dream dragged on a bed now i do but it does appear at least that a the potential for a resolution is it's close so i was watching were in discussion with them and a let's see where it goes let's get enough paid out too well where together on a cause cause i'm off next week i i will have time ahead of the delaware stopped but the match series a round three heads the delaware a week from is it a week from saturday i'm losing track of time yeah firm that you know which saturday the thirteenth the thirteenth america right now robert look the series is gonna start to take shape 'em at delaware park we had a very successful opening at laurel we then moved to a national had terrific j m a number of the horses that ran at laurel did not run at ten a in the qualify for the bonus money a and continuing the series of course that's the competing three of the five a max series of events so a dental apart becomes number three we've got eight horses that will qualify for bonus money by running at delaware park if they choose to do so we have a large number of horses who rented obviously at laurel did not run at delaware now will meet the start get serious if they stay in the series so it it it's it's early in the series on bondage should start to take shape so we've we've got some terrific courses in testing me at last year's winner mci a we've got done i misspoke his point very well known john service worst a quote arrogance hours completed pass a hint smith with enchanted ghost and my trunk that it was super striking those with the horses that are on the verge of qualifying offer but these divisions are all very tight end m a i think we'll start to see whether the change to the five big event days on which the right decision to make sure seemed like it after the first you know after the first two rounds and a you know after after delaware a you got the mom sc yet and will go to a world class one labor day hearts and then violence finished yet will finish at moments you know it's interesting we we really got a lot of tremendous feedback for going to this five day bigger than day series rather than we've done in the past 'em i guess what i'm having a hard time getting orange crush the fact that match would move around throughout the summer so there were constantly discussion about match a when you've got these six week breaks or whatever ten people tend to forget it got it got again we focused on it and a and now they're not like nascar which could run every week through the entire summer early fall we we got it at fox championship but then they show it's gonna be interesting when we finished mission look back gob what the reaction has been to the series like you know what we've done everything's just been so positive it really got the handles been great field sizes had been good competitions been great but it'll be interesting applicants series starts to take take one welfare those that i wanna keep tracking and a see everything that's involved match series dot com and a little look at the fields that'll be opening week at saratoga so we don't want it to get lost in the shuffle a an allen one one thing that pops in my head that i i have not the discussed scott publicly this week or last week what had happened a after d c h r b meeting what did the ramifications of of the california a administrators of pulling out of rc oh i'm not sure what's driving that a you know i'm not sure that's personalities were 'em i all i know is what i reid and they say that it's frustration that rc i it's not moving quickly enough to enact a the reforms did they have an acted on not so sure what they would expect 'em rc i do bar mtc has been dealing with some of these and if the criticism as it takes orange to see an rc i too long to do this you know i maybe there's a way to fix that if we were dealing with the federal body they they had the same problem because the government bill sets up almost identical mechanism so i think that everybody is frustrated right now 'em industry is very tribal were all crush created were all dealing with this terrible situation situation at cnn nita and the implications that it has farrar industry it's very hard to get everybody in the room to talk about it and and and try to focus when a some serious evidence based reforms that needs to be done i will tell you that there are similar forms the dan suggested in california that we all take a serious look at what we need to move quickly to enacting we will 'em what's been frustrating in the past is that the one seed in the slowest to enact reforms are california but it's been very difficult to get the california horse racing board members apple a multiple of medication violation program they still have an accident in california and it's been three years it took them two and three years to adopt third party lasix administration and making blamed in one of the worst minute they can't blame it on the air inch but there were regulatory body and just is moving very strongly here under the you know the the pressure from these fatalities which taking them so long to get these reforms done so it's it's a mixed bag 'em i i'm hoping the situation can be resolved because it doesn't do anybody any good pretty scripts splinter a you know i it just plays into the hands of a from those who have been different agenda and oh by the way for those who were arguing that if we had the federal bill that these breakdowns wouldn't have happened then we would solve all of racing sales just get the federal bill passed but that that will go and been inactive two years ago a year ago made it syllabi age difference what happened at shannon you know and that a i it's funny you couch it in that term because i i see stuff i see comments and and this is why we need as this all that anybody that says that this is why we need a this legislation they they haven't really read do or have any understanding of what this is and what what the elements of of the administration of the sport it would it would be involved in they they think somehow this is something that it is is a legal office or or a commissioner and i i'm i'm actually amazed at how much exposure there's been allen is actually about how little people pay attention that also includes people citing frank stronach as the source of these problems when he hasn't been involved in the management of the company in three years yeah it's outlook 'em 'em again there is just tremendous frustration in the industry but there is a path i mean i i as someone who lives this has been a part of it a new you work there is a path and there is a way forward and if we could just get everyone to understand what that path is committed to do it i think the results speak for themselves i don't believe either in the animal rights people but we we are going to eliminate aches fatalities completely boy that's a great goal in today's world people just don't understand it these horses are gonna break down we're gonna have this but i don't think there's anybody who would say we you need to do better you can always do better i mean i'm i'm trumpeting success in the mid atlantic but boy we could do better and we all seriously working to make that happen and dumb i can continue do that and that's my focus quite frankly is gonna be the mid atlantic because that's where it's happening that's where we're seeing success there is a total commitment from the tracks the regulators the worst in the veterinarians to make this better and it's that's why it's just so great great working in the mid atlantic region because of the commitment is there there's no scapegoating there's no fingerpointing it's what do we do to make this better and on that topic guy so those that are following follow tha racing a if you what thoroughbred horse ms association and alan foreman and a tumble america and the team and a talent is always a lightning and invaluable thank you thanks will soon saratoga saratoga hopefully delaware park on july thirteenth that'd be great allen form and everybody match and so much more i can always just like throw anything at allen he hits any kind of pitch curve balls knuckles not colors the slider doesn't matter 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Greys Mortuary (with Tamron Hall)

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Greys Mortuary (with Tamron Hall)

"And we're back with an all new. Keep it IRA Madison. The third made us men. Hello and I'm Louis Brutal. I wanted to be the end. Lewis for towel like I'm on Eighty Sitcom and I am. Yeah or are unhappy days or something have there was actually special guest star for seven seasons of? Melrose was and she really lived that well because she had the most devious look in her eye during all those credits. You WanNA end credits. But that look I figured we could start things off this week and going forward by just sort of sharing what culture we've been consuming this week. This is a pop culture. Show I always people are always thirsty for recommendations in my mentions asking for book recommendations as if they've never heard of a library But only five books come out at a time those games they're gonNA follow through and actually get the books they asked you about. Yeah but anyway I feel like this will be a great place for us to get people recommendations of what we're into and what's driving our condos this week. So why don't you kick us off this week? I'll start with the light stuff. I've been okay so devs came out on Hulu. The new Alex Garland show and I had no interest in like I didn't know who else garland want so I went back and I watched X. Makina and I watched the nation like I watched all of his various is chefs is one of the best movies. I've ever see time. We were excited about the candor and seeing what happened in a die out on the Laura Croft yes. She went Oscar for the worst movie of the two thousand ten. The Danish girl which was mostly a movie about Eddie Redman acting like Annie Lennox walking on broken glass video. Yes somehow not the worst movie Eddie Retina and may last Xtra. Which one was that? Oh that's not as bad movie. I actually liked them. I really do all right. But as backsaw XBOX rally loved it too liked it a lot and speaking of books. I am halfway into Mickey. Kendall's hood feminism. Right now which I started with anticipation of loving it already because it's called hood feminism but also I'm always trying to educate myself on different types. Feminism that don't necessarily relate to me but I can still find gooden and little hood. Feminism you always coming with you strap and they'll some down clarify which I want to audience but And then radio play lastly Stream Suga by the stallion she refuses to let us down as far as I can tell I find actually this EP. A little disappointing but Captain Hook. That's the lines are jam. Dan Rich Reds and savage savage check. It really is the first three tracks and maybe one outlier but other than that. I still think that B I t C H is a very lazy to Park Temple. Well that's true that's all I'm GonNa say that's true. Lewis mine is a lot simpler than that. This song of course came out seconds after we recorded last week's episode. I have been listening to the Dixie. Chicks gas lighter which is their first single in probably fourteen years. I couldn't love Natalie. Maynes as voice more she she has that Voice of somebody who's interrupting hootenanny detail. You OUGHTA go fuck yourselves which I always love. The song itself is like pretty light for them. There's no rollicking Banjo Solo in the middle of it. It's not tugging at the heartstrings. It's telling off a man which is a familiar lane for them. It's nice to hear them. Go back to that. Even as they bring on Jack Antonoff who's new to their dynamic. I will say the term guests later is about three years out of date for me. I don't know that I needed a whole song about it. And in fact the lyrics I'll say are some of their worst ever. I LOVE THE CHORUS. Yes chorus but the verses. I'm just released toxic. Now you'd be like a bitch that word you know. Yeah robot exactly like she really sit back then so is okay but yeah I I feel but the chorus did come around for me. Twenty seventeen. Yeah that said if you kind of wonder if maybe they wrote it back then to Britney Spears did release toxic. Now I would be very shocked. She was aware of any dialogue occurring. And I continue to be stunned by when she was a judge on. The X factor was her Levada. She said she compared. I will simply say a random black auditioners to Lauren Hill. And I remember thinking that was the last time you paid attention to culture. Nineteen Ninety eight before you got sucked into it and became the whole fat because this person had nothing to do with our no for the record But anyway I mean a real Lauren Hill family. Gina Rodriguez Oh sure. Oh my God oh my God So I'm looking forward to this whole album Just for the fun of it. I'll pick my favorite dixie chicks song ever which is definitely longtime gone with in which they say. The old country is dead. They make fun of Hank Williams junior and when at the bt awards I believe was at the PT awards they performed with beyond saying it was a country music award. Oh that's it that's it. Yes it was beyond say invading. Yes very I was. I forgot who the invaders were. Yes well technically. They were the invaders because Oh yeah Bianca yes like the country. World hates them now after their hall. George Bush comments and so beyond say was performing her huge like Song Daddy lessons and she brought them along right right and was like fuck you. Ib and they sprung this on which is just little condemnation of country music on the crowd all these years later still such a jam. Okay well my thing Of this week is I forgot to mention it last week but I still keep thinking about this Katori Hall. Play that when I was New York. It's called Hot Wing. King and it was fascinating and it actually is like the. It's about like four gay men in Memphis Tennessee. One of the characters is a chef. And he's trying to win this hot winning competition. Basically that happens every year in Memphis and his partner is taking care of his nephew after his sister died and the nephews drug dealing father comes into the picture it's basically just like a classic family drama But it's like told through the lens of like four Black Gay characters. It's really sort of like a fun. Traditional soapy play. You know you'd feel like Tennessee. Williams are like Eugene. O'neill would have written something like this. Oh Yeah tell me what is actually very much a comedy too. So you know like calling it Eugene. Nearly as probably tube very like August Wilson sort of vibes you know like it feels a lot Joe Turner's come and gone. You know sort of about like a man realizing like his destiny anyway I would also recommend Speaking of like dramas and soaps love Douglas. Sirk and you know I love soap operas Brought that up before. Yeah so I was reading this. Lovely Essay Book called the Fan. Who Knew Too much aretha? Franklin the rise of the Soap Opera Children of the Gospel Church and other meditations by Anthony. How beautiful how are they gonNa make that all come together? I mean different essays. Yes so it's like it starts off with an essay about like black where people in the Church and Gospel Music In the next essay about aretha Franklin on his an essay about soap operas. And it's like it's really just sort about like how all of these pop culture high into parts of communities. I wrote it anyway. We have a fantastic show today. We are going to die into WHO LOSE FOUR PART. Hillary Clinton documentary all four of them off or it's an Irishman length. Hillary Clinton situation truly. Then we're going to get into a wild exit from grey's anatomy which is still on Lewis. Right yes I still watch. I wasn't accusing any money sometimes. Yeah I'm usually a season behind. I watched it on Netflix. That's the thing that's shocking about. Grey's anatomy is that it's not by now on some streaming service you've never heard of. It is still extremely popular. Abc Show And I'll sit down for conversation with media. Legend Tamarin Hall. I guess I look forward to listening to that. Maybe it'll be good. Can we trust your skills? I don't know stay tuned. We'll be right back after its premiere at Sundance Net. Burstein Docu series. Hillary landed on Hulu over the weekend. The four part series goes back and forth between Hillary's rise to national consciousness and her fail twenty sixteen bid for the presidency. It's being praised for peeling back. The curtain on one of America's most visible divisive an unreadable political figures. Yes I was sort of prepared to like this because I really like Ninette Burstein on the ropes. Very good documentary and surprise. It was very addictive. Yeah I don't really know the last time I watched four hours of anything. Basically problem free. Yeah four hours and I kept going back like accidentally watched the last two I and I was I was not on. I know I'm an idiot ambulance and then I was like I don't really like this. This is missing something and then I went back and watched the first two and I was like net needed all four those hours. I really think so like the first episode especially about bill and their relationship really had me like almost crying. It was nice in contrast to what I'm currently watching as well McMillan's which I feel like is spinning wheels. Oh Yeah we did not need to accept now. I feel like most shows like that early making a murderer by the end. It's just stock footage. I didn't need the extra three hours that spent that Christmas watching making up making a murderer. Oh what an awful time. Yeah one thing. I thought this documentary did well is get into how interesting reactions to Hillary Clinton Nar because she is beguiling personality and I think one way pop culturally this has evidenced itself. Is that on SNL. I think this is true. She's still been portrayed on a consistent basis by more cast members than anybody else in history going back to Jan Hooks and obviously now into Kate. Mckinnon the five people who've done it which are Jan Hooks Janeane Garafolo. Wow on August yes on a gas dire. Amy Poehler and Kate McKinnon those impressions. Have nothing to do with each other. You would honestly think they were portraying five different people. One of that like on a gas style was very angry and Trish whereas Kate. Mckinnon is sort of unhinged. Amy Poehler is a little bit resentful. Remember the The Sarah Palin Tobacco and those sketches and it's interesting to think why were we so either wrong or why. We have so many wild guesses about her. Why are we never seem to be right? And I thought this documentary really focused on that and interesting way what. I found about this documentary. Is it sort of had the same effect I would say that Miss Americana had on me you know I came away from his Americana with obviously plenty of opinions about Taylor Swift. I felt like I finished it feeling like I can't really just sort of disliked her that much anymore. You know you sort of got into her psyche away. That she felt a lot more humid and I would say the same thing does for Hillary Clinton Not that I particularly dislike tar. You know actually supported her In Two thousand sixteen over Bernie And I feel like the only time I was really ever at odds with her was during the Obama race. That's an eight but getting into that getting into the ninety s Which I feel like has sort of passed us. And it's hard to conceptualize it even now just because there's so much shit from the nineties that is sort of affected our opinion of our our parents opinion of her public opinion of her That is unfortunately something that she can never really escape now. You know you can't really reinvent yourself as a politician right. You know what's interesting though as I was shocked at how surface level and unfair certain analyses of her work for instance something. I can't get out of my head is during debate in two thousand eight John Edwards makes a comment and says I don't know about that blazer though to her and it's like that was only twelve years ago I I truly don't remember that and that's a comment. I would've associated with the Eighties in Geraldine. Ferraro would have had to deal with or something I would compare it to Miss Americana and that I expected to learn a secret device behind the way Hillary Clinton thanks when in fact she is just this person who sort of under remotes. I mean. That's sort of like the answer to the question. I think I mean I feel like the secret device to is wrapped up in what you realize her. Achilles heel is I mean I know they try and say it once in The documentary but I think it's too from this place of privilege as a white woman who was sort of well to do like the idea that because she believes something is correct. It's necessarily correct to everyone else you know and like there are so many weird instances you're watching throughout the documentary where she has these fumbles these public fumbles and it sort of if you went out and just sort of dealt with it at on. You wouldn't have a lot of the problems that we were experienced. She just had a lot of evasive. Answers Yard Confrontational. It's like when I ask about her. Will you release something? Maybe it was the emails or something and she responded something like into that the transcripts for her Wall Street speech. That has a lot of that was questions where it was like. How dare you ask me this? You know and it's like I liked it. There was a person on. Rt who I feel like pointed out that a lot of these questions were like Sorta Fair Obviously the press was awful to her and we'll get into that but like in the combination like an insufferable right but som- questions were very fair and I guess unfortunately when you sort of been hounded by the media like that become very defensive of everything it was I opening. I guess to see that. First Instance that she'd had with the media when Clinton was first running against Jerry Brown writes for the Democratic nomination. That was some fingerpointing between the two of them literally. Onscreen our former governor. That's right Former Linda Ronstadt Paranoia It was so weird seeing all Jerry Brown by the way I was like. Who is this man that he was like a huge celebrity to like that? That's like lost on a current generation. I think yeah now I just think of him as the Asshole who kept bars from closing at four. Am though that me feel. We don't pray for much but he goes after Hillary in his debate with bill saying that like he's funneling money into her law firm when he is asked about it he says well. Why don't you ask Hillary like when a news cameras on him and she just sort of this is like her first real interaction with like national media? And she's like well. I suppose I could have sat at home. You know and like may T- and baked cookies or whatever and that was sort of like the inciting incident of America deciding that they hate her and the bitch and also the interesting about that amount and this is the the thing probably take away most from the special. Obviously that quotas very famous. What she was talking about was she could have acted like other first ladies. She wasn't saying I. Other American women are ready end general which is weird like she obviously never I mean. She tried correcting that and she tried clarifying. But it just did not stick which is sort of like a signature. Hillary Clinton thing I think for me what I'm taking away from this documentary my understanding of Hillary Clinton like started in two thousand and eight. I would say my problem with her was always that I felt like she could never really connect with us like she was lacking this very visceral human ability to connect with people but then watching this documentary. I watched a woman made callous by media. And you know someone who was encouraged to not actually speak up and talk about her opinions and a true way. So I'm like you guys took humanity from her like I see her at twenty twenty two very vibrant and happy and you see now that the Hillary Clinton that she is of course has aged and matured but has also kind of cold. The Hillary who was campaigning for her husband in Arkansas. I was like this was a wonderful person. You know like the the clip where they showed her just like handing out pamphlets being. Why are you going to vote for him? But even some of that spirit was taken away when she had to shift to Mrs Clinton right right like that whole weird debacle over her not taking his last name when they got married when he tried his reelection bid for governor it is. I guess not shocking because of the time here but it's still so weird to like. Look at that now and be like. That's what people gave a fuck about right and also how daunting every chapter of her career as like when they get when they Monica Lewinsky comes up. You have your potato or Paula Jones Jennifer flowers all these names and the two thousand eight election. The two thousand sixteen election. And it's daunting to even talk about right here right now because I still feel like when you say that name people immediately think and I've heard people say this about this. Own Documentary can't she does go away right now and then secondly it's like when is the right time to reflect on this person's legacy you always feel like saying the name. Hillary Clinton is like cursing a political conversation. There's a quote from her in this movie where she mentions Bernie and how. She wasn't impressed with him as a Saturn. He didn't get anything done. Or whatever and that has already become this. Lightning Rod mom where people yelling shut up at her again. It never feels like we're giving the correct reaction to this person. It constantly reminded me of and I bring this movie up a lot in this. Podcast cry in the dark which is a Meryl Streep Movie. The DINGO ATE. My baby is the famous from it. But it's a movie about how a woman basically reacted quote unquote incorrectly to a lot speculation about her possibly murdering her kid and she refused to basically we on Camera. Or give you. You know the sound bite you wanted. Hillary Clinton is is a little light that it's she gave qualified responses. But in a way it always made you sort of tilt your head a skew and ask. Is that correct? What why am I not getting one hundred percent from that answer and you have to wonder? Is it your problem or her problem. Or what's all our problem? It's unfortunate because A woman like Hillary who was polarized as a first lady And you know. Maybe she'd had the example of Eleanor Roosevelt. Look to there's that very aggressive like new segment where someone was talking about Hillary Clinton and like a woman compared her to Eleanor Roosevelt. And the guy sort of I I mean that's the problem But complete idiot eleanor They have a lot of similarities but I won't are wasn't a wash. In this whole lake media landscape that was one heavily partisan and to to turning tawdry tabloid shit into news. You know I feel like there was a point when a reporter was talking about the Monica Lewinsky Story. He mentioned that like Vaden right about that kind of shit you know and it was like the Clinton era sort of ushered in writing about this stuff constantly and it's what we do now and I feel like unfortunately hillary is a example for future women. You know to sort of Follow and you know. She was sort of the sacrificial lamb. I think that way often about Michelle Obama who also was hearted you know by the media you know not just as a outspoken first lady but as the first outspoken Blat. First Lady you know I feel like when you go back and get that Miss L. Documentary after whatever. She does with the rest of her career. you will see you know the sort of like gender and races attacks that were similar to Hillary's and then also worse because she was a black woman And it's funny when people talk about how they wish. Michelle would run for office right. I was like why is he can tear her apart. You did Hillary at also sieg even how high Michelle's approval ratings maybe I'm like so we're Hillary's During the Monica Lewinsky scandal during a lot of other moments but when she decided to step into the public lie and run for office they plummeted. Yeah you know it's they also have in Common Hillary and Michelle Obama. There's this questioning the. Are they angry or is it just that they are lawyers? Profession chose political men. Like THEY WANNA fight right exactly. Yeah but I think one thing that I did clock and I have to say is that I felt like Hillary was wanting to make a lot of comparisons to her self as like leading this way for feminism and maybe for white women and Feminism and in the eighties ninety. She was but there was not there was like one woman of color on her team. It was just a bunch of Amelia Delia. As white women they're working very hard for Hillary but there was no women of color around and the fact that Hillary didn't notice that or talk about that in the documentary. I think it just felt like they're having that same pink pussy hats conversation about like. Oh they're going to talk about my shoes and not Bernie shoes some black women. Don't have Water Hillary. Are you going to talk about that? That is probably my biggest. Critique of Hillary is that why couldn't connect to her and also she doesn't really talk about marginalized classes of people the people around her constantly kind of embarrassed me like when they were watching her during debates and like like. I'm not saying they were saying snap snap as she point. They were over reacting to meager victories. She hadn't debates which maybe that's just hindsight is twenty twenty but after she lost so I'll call it soundly. It just felt like she'd been misled by people but it looks like yeah constantly. I mean I feel like we all sort of felt that after the twenty sixteen election and just sort of seeing it. There didn't seem to be a lot of push back from anyone on her team in sort of like really guiding her through. Listen you are a polarizing media figure and the crying dark examples like you? You know what the media expects of you at this point you know and like unfortunately if you want to be president you're going to have to sort of play that game you know and it's interesting to see them play the political game of her defending bill and being by Bill Cy etc and yet unwilling to sort of do that for herself. Yeah obviously A lot of the bills stuff was hard to watch Because I don't like that man and we're still in the thrush of other things surrounding him. You know like it's not there's no closure on that yeah I mean. I didn't think there would really be any closer on anyway. I thought it would mostly get lip service. I was shot during that moment where he sort of apologized And I feel like that regarding Monica Lewinsk- Regarding Monica Lewinsky and I feel like that apology was genuine. Because he was apologizing to Hillary I think. He in retrospect now realizes that he fucked up her presidential bid like unfortunately most of her future was determined by standing by his side And that lie. He told her about the affair and unfortunately her going out and defending him made her look stupid. You know also by the way do they only get Chelsea for like six minutes curiously? Dm I want. I like because the bills stuff he. He's a huge part of it and he comments in every part of her career and has a pretty good memory of it all so he was a valuable voice in the documentary but I don't feel like I came away knowing him. Any better. I other than I you. You are reacquainted with the fact that he is slick. I mean he's just smooth speaking. You know I mean even still particularly when I'm watching Joe Biden every day and it's like wow Bill Clinton still has it way more together new. It's crazy yeah and just being reminded to about you know her college friends who were like none of them were shot about the Monica Lewinsky thing. I think that was very insightful. Part of that right a lot of them talking about the period where it came out and while bill was still lying to the point where he admitted it everyone was just sort of like dumb. Bring this up with Hillary when you're around her because they all knew that had happened. Yeah I'll and they were like. Is this willful ignorance on your part and I feel like yes There's a lot of parts of Hillary that are obviously very genuine. And I do believe that she cares about children and people and Feminism and the documentary makes a good case for that. Yes but I also think that she is smart and politically motivated. And you know it's like the willful ignorance on the Monica Lewinsky. Thing is like something that can be explained away with loving husband. Obviously but I'm like there's a part of her that had like he was not Because that's who he is And we'd seen it historically that he was a liar about infidelity. Maybe she just didn't think he'd be that stupid right right because when he admitted like the Monica Lewinsky thing was just dumb and a distraction as he called it a diversion. Yeah but by the way you just brought up her Wellesley colleagues that is secretly an interesting thing about Hillary Clinton that isn't discussed as much when she made She was one of the first students speakers at her commencement at Wellesley College Women's College and she followed some guy who's like a I think a methodist priest or something a method. I don't know religious terms but anyway I think it was a conservative politician. Correct okay well. He gave a speech basically being like the revolution. We're currently in. This is the late sixties. We're all going to be fine. Ladies sort of implying like home is where you belong at Sarah and she extemporaneously responded to him and whooped up the crowd and he's not and you really don't think of her like that at all as somebody who's like thinking like that on her feet as opposed to preparing ahead of time for all the possible. Like for instance in a debate what somebody can say and she's already prepared a response to that whereas right on the spot and in the case of this commencement she had a really awesome moment. That's all on tape. You can listen to it online. Yeah well if anything I would say. That goes to eat his point that She was sort of made hollow but the media. I mean that really has no direct line from that moment to her debates with Donald Trump. Because I feel like a person who would be thinking on her feet the moments were. She's talking about how he stalking her on stage right and like she wanted to turn around and respond to him. I was like girl. I wish you had especially at twenty sixteen. I really feel like she could have gotten away with turning around at some point. She says it wasn't the time I would have been deemed as it would have been deemed that I think that could have gotten her points. I mean unfortunately Hindsight is twenty twenty. But you know it's also the idea that you know you're already vilified in the media as just sort of what else were you going to do. I think that she was constantly crippled by house she'd been treated in the media at each iteration of her career that unfortunately she wasn't really that person that we met in that early speed someone who could immediately think on their feet and not worry about the consequences of what she was going to say too because she was a college student. Then you know she wasn't thinking like if I say this everything in my future is done right and they make the point that at that time no one had any concept of a woman running for president. The whole feminist wave at that point was I just want a job. That is intellectually rigorous. You know meets my skill set. Basically how painful was it watching that guy quote unquote? Prep her for the two thousand sixteen debates where he's being donald trump but it's not nearly the level of chaos brought the present and nor is and Hillary's reactions. Were actually real turn around and kind of like trump her jaw and I was like. What are you guys preparing for? What is going to have a standoff? What is going on? She's a Charles Xavier's danger room I would say that watching this in the context of just sort of pop culture now too. I was thinking obviously of the good wife. A Lot. good wife was modeled after Hillary And it's just interesting seeing like how that show part. I A lot of the Clinton Dynamic and made it into a good entertainment and like ways to sort of dissect it and now just sort of realized the idea of a woman standing by her man. You know politically was what was expected right. It was nice seeing that. Divide with Houma. You know who had left Anthony Weiner And yet he still fucked her life. Right the fact of seeing all these decisions by men continue to fuck her life was kind of Greek. I guess I mean it's sort of like a tragedy watching the entire thing. It was like one thing that she'll never be able to escape. And of course Juliana Margulis and Hillary Clinton both have that thing. Where you're wondering. Are you dealing with a really terrible migraine right now? There's something in your eyes. I can't see what is it is. Yeah it's a tragedy. It's like we need to move on to some new characters politically in America because everyone seems to be bogged down by this history. That is not helpful for America whatsoever. Unfortunately and I do feel bad watching it and feeling bad for her. Obviously her hopes and dreams You know but those are dashed for a lot of people. Every day you know like Even looking at our current race you know people like Kamla and Warren like very capable women And when they showed that medley of those people at the end being like well we all these women running and they just freshly all tragedy aspect right. You know it's dark. Made me feel sad about America and its fucked up nece and how even now people really won't admit that being a woman is what stopped. Warren from yes nomination But again I can't picture to straight men most straight men having a conversation about a woman period. Yeah that isn't about. I want to date them or it's my mom. Yeah and Pretending that doesn't matter it matters but I also feel like we need a new wash of politics right. Yeah people the players. I do have to tell me my takeaway was that. I do find her soundbites in in this slightly under insightful. I didn't come away with a lot of comprehension on her part. That said I do think the movie is successful. Basically wikipedia of her career. I think it's worth watching for that reason it was it was more of a recap interview you know. There was never a moment where I felt like the interviewer was going to ask. Dangerous Question A question that might make her paws and bite make her. Why'd you ask that? I mean it felt like Miss Americana in that way too and that. Hillary felt like she had control of the documentary. But also there's no different voices in the documentary. It's everyone it's just barack deplored her. It's a hallway of people who are on Hillary side which made it hard to you know. There's a few months but few and far anyway. I doubt that this closes the chapter on Hillary. Because I feel like there's still so much to Parse I mean suits to be panted got Chelsea Story. It'll come in like twenty years. 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When you're creating you have people who come in and they say well what about this. What about that your Creator? You know the minute someone sees a good idea. They say now. How can I change that good idea? So of course I experienced that in the first few months of the show. But I do believe and I've said this We were just TV convention. January six was really on awakening. I think my team fully understood after three months of such hard work in launching the show. What does a traditional daytime show? Look like you know when I was pitching the idea of a one single topic show or just two topics Hebrew. I no way you gotTa do hot topics you got to watch and slowly but surely we tested the market including an entire show on the F- you know we just did a show with billy porter. We started out with billy. Who's been a friend of long time? Thank you and I appreciate that because that was one of those shows that when I was unemployed for those two and a half years or whatever. I thought that's the show that I WANNA do. I don't want to just talk about pose and how cool to show as I want to bring in the real people the real culture that inspired it so there we had billy porter and then we dovetail to this incredible house of kids who are artistic but also the heart behind it you know a few years ago. I volunteered at a shelter in New York for. Lgbtq kids. And I didn't know that at eighteen. They tapped out of the system. If you will. And that is why. There's such an incredible rate of homelessness amongst those group of children and that's where the houses came into play. We learned impose but in twenty eighteen when I was sitting in that room. It's still there today so to have that culture and a have that artistry represented that was my dream show so I think that we are in that sweet spot now but it's been a battle. You're absolutely it's been a battle. I wasn't given carte blanche even though my name is on it surprisingly what was your inspiration for the show talking about those ideas that you might have had when you initially conceived it like. What kind of daytime TV did you enjoy watching? You know for me. I've always loved Mike. Douglas Dinosaur Oprah Phil Donahue Rolonda Jenny Jones Ricki Lake for kid of TV TV kid. I used to go to sleep. I still go to sleep with the TV on. But I was a latchkey kid is. My mom was a single mom early on in my childhood. I feel like I'm from the last generation of kids who is like you jump up on you. Get Your Cap'n crunch down and you watch your shows. You know I can tell you my TV lineup When I was seven it was like happy days. What's happening happy days? Laverne and Shirley. I set my clock to it was like power edger Batman Spiderman right and it shapes who you are as a person and then when you're lucky enough to do what we do which is our passion in our heart you in a creative way. Try to bring that to the table so for me. I really wanted this traditional daytime talk show where we could really talk about everything. I tell people. If you take your mask off I take off. We are real people and we can have a conversation My makeup artists. Who is over here watching on her social media pages. You don't care by interview she laughs at me. 'cause I always say people are people but it is true We WanNA shot. We don't want somebody's boot on our neck. We don't want to oppress or suppress anyone at the expense of our gaining something. We want to gain it fair and square so for me. I just wanted to talk show where we could have fun with fashion and then we can go and have a substantive conversation on any topic that you can imagine her out some looks. Let's let's unreal. Which is crazy because I you know. My fashion influence was my grandfather. My grandfather was a sharecropper you know his second grade education but when he would go to church he'd have his stacy Adams on his hat. You know whatever brand of it was probably from the dollar store but in my where I'm from and this out he was clean. You know always clean. They say and I've always loved fashion. We launched a series at the beginning of September when the show launched on up and coming designers and I really wanted to be able to give friends that I have who make clothes who want during that project runway. Kind of feel without it being a contest. Because that's also the spirit of our show. Iras at the underdog. Now everyone I believe in most cases fell. You felt like an underdog at some point in your life. I wasn't the kid that people would bet on. I wasn't the person the today show bet on. I've experienced it. That's not to say that it's a pity party and that's not to say that I didn't get bigger stronger. Better out of all of those adversities but when I look at myself I often see you know not this cute top that I have on today I see you know that seven year old kid from a single parent that on paper and in person was not likely to be bad on talking about the today show. And I'm betting on you. How did that feel? I mean I assume that. Yes they got for it to happen. You know in such a public way too. When I've lost a job the world you know my mom found out. They gave me the slip when you get it. It's not a pink slip. No you know what's crazy. I had no idea that people would receive it in that way. It wasn't even in the front of my mind. I was terrified that I would be unemployed as a forty something year. Old Single Women didn't have a backup plan. I don't have an estate or a trust fund. I am my backup plan so instinctively I went to my own survival and then I looked at the landscape of television. Wear my friend. Don Lemon is the only black person to host a prime time show in cable which the mass audience at least on. Msnbc AND CNN are women and people of Color. So I'm looking at the landscape thing. I'm done I early on in my career replaced the same black woman at two. Different stations replaced her in Dallas. Oh yeah she saw her or she knew and it's so sad because it was a one for one culture you know. There was one black woman at that station. I was interviewing. Everyone knew when I was walking in whose job I was being considered for And it happened twice so now was early part of my career in the nineties to thousands. Now we're in twenty sixteen or twenty seven. Whenever I lost the job and I'm looking at where am I going to go and I started to get these offers that were not comparable to my twenty five years of experience was also I mean i. I'm able to set ego aside and recognize that that has nothing to do with me. Those are the people in the room where it happened and what they see. They need to hire. They believe they need to hire some. Anyway I know how I felt. I was embarrassed. I heard I was more though the thing as I have to get a job. I've worked every day since I was fourteen so it wasn't about losing a spot on TV. It was I have to take care of myself. Would you do during that period? That sort of like. How do you get through it? I did not expect people started to ask if I could do speaking engagements and clearly. I love to talk but all of a sudden. I'm getting invitations from women's organizations around the country who related to the next chapter. Who related to the idea that you can take the punch? But you don't have to stay on the mat and it became this universal energy and before. I knew it. I was thinking all around the country for two years. What I didn't know IRA was that I guess in you know this is a TV kid. I guess I'm producing a show in the back of my mind and I even know it. I was like tagging story. Ideas of people would come to say. Oh have you heard about this? And that was a part of the formation of the formula of this show a lot of the topics that I encounter in the people that I encountered over those two years which sustained me emotionally because it kept me connected to people but it allowed me to accumulate stories and affirm to me that we have so much in common. And where can I bring all of this to one show and that's how it happened thinking about even just this landscape you're talking about you know like You talked about being with lemon What's it like being in the news world? You know like for those of us who don't do it you know like what's it like like are you sort of interacting with each other trying to help each other with stories. Do you talk about your jobs when you're Out or you just like. Let's leave it all behind. Well it depends. I mean I think that. Are you asking me. Do I have friends in the media? I did do. I think that like the world. The media's compartmentalize and there there's a class system you know there is there's the chalance of media There is the divide racially. You know I you might be a bt news anchor. Somebody at one of the traditional newscasts looks down upon you. There's a divide in print media as it relates to culture race. All of those things so it's just like America. It's not a monolith. Everybody's not friends. Everybody doesn't live on the townhouse in Georgetown. Every media person doesn't make thirty two million dollars and some people down on local. I remember when I first got to national news and there were people who'd say local news and I'm thinking you know when you look at the stats. The local news is still the most trusted form of information so yeah friends joy. Reid is one of my dear friend. Don limits like anything in life. It's like high school. I liked all the people but I don't talk to all of that so yeah I have. I have a lot of great friends who are in the media and we. We have a tell you this little secret. There's a group I won't tell you who's on the text but the thread of about three or four media people over and we never got broken into please. That'd be a mess but now you know we're human beings and we go through the same things that anybody else and we. I know that the media is taking a hit and we always have in fact. I just watch the Mike. Wallace documentary Mike Wallace's here. It's brilliant if you haven't seen it But Yeah I have true and tried friends Savannah Guthrie. I mean she was one of the first people learned that I was pregnant. So you have these friendships. Certainly Al Roker. His uncle out So yeah but I do think like the country has always been in. The media has its divide as Talking about the media taking a hit as you mentioned how do you think the media is shaping? Now you know I mean. We're we're in such a weird place where it's a lot of journalism isn't trusted you know and You have shows that are like a daytime show. You know where you're coming into people's homes and you're trying to get them to trust you and also entertain them Do you think the media is still in a healthy place. Well I'll say this first of all if you have to try to get someone to trust you. You have a problem You earn trust in any relationship you have so we have to earn the trust of the people who are watching my show each day. I try to bring my authentic self. No I'm not gonNA tell you every fight I have with my husband. We're talking about relationship. Yes I'm gonNA bring in some of the things that happened within my own life. I don't think there's a Reverend William Barber. I'm sure you know him for Moral Mondays. He said you know in his wonderful speech that I was present for. If you tell your children that this is the worst that we've seen you're doing a disservice to your child The world watched as millions of Jews killed in the Holocaust watch during the civil rights uprising in the south and the world. Watch while Trayvon Martin was killed the political time certainly bonkers but Is it testing something? That's never been pushed. I don't quite see that. I think that as I said this great documentary on Mike Wallis if you watch the same kind of thing he. He gave a speech. Even in Africa it was in the late sixties saying the media is under siege. You know people don't trust as that's always going to be a part of the experience because the media is comprised of individuals. It's like when you say the Church while the church is the body but of course there are some shady pastors. And there's so like in any institution that's comprised of individuals. They're going to be people who uplift the conversation and they're going to be people who don't and when for example this institution. The gatekeepers are primarily white men who are the executives of all of the networks is not a bad thing but they have to be called out and saying your networks your shows to represent the people that are watching and that helps to build trust you know and so with our show. It's the same experience I want guests to come on who represent the audience that I want to watch the show. Which means everyone. So we have an audience comprise of I hope people from all over and we have guests and topics that tap into that same thing because ultimately the way you're going to trust me and enjoy the Tamarin Hall's show on a daily experience is if I can rip away as many masks as possible because Lord knows we wear a bunch of them and have an authentic experience with you. We're talking about the media and you know about these. These gatekeepers right. We're even thinking about this sort of me to era that's happening to you know and it's how do you think we sort of push things forward to make more shows like yours? Though many times when I say all of the executives of the networks are white men I can see the report on any of the in cringe. It's like Ooh like I've said something mean I'm like no I mean if I walked into a room of only white women I would feel. Wow so when women walk into a room of only men. Wow so what is the difference in the articulating that sensation or that concern? Then to your point the metoo movement revealed what we all knew. Is that our industry is dominated by men. Okay the next step is the industry lacks diversity. And that's a conversation that we can have without anybody being afraid. That's how you move forward because if I am unapologetically black southern woman God bless I'm from Texas I say it every five seconds and you are unapologetically Irish American Jewish Caribbean whatever. You are if we're able to be ourselves without judgment then we can have real conversations so when I say the networks are all led by men. That's not to say they're bad. There's not a code for they're GONNA get us no but that is to say is that the representation that we want when we are trying to hear as many voices as possible. That is a truthful question not loaded in race or gender or bitterness because I lost a job and none of that. That's the same question we ask with the metoo movement and that is the question. We have to ask all front geography. When I when I went into national news I remember going into the newsroom. In New York everybody was from New York or the northeast corridor. Very few people were from the south or the Midwest and I thought wow. That's amazing that everybody grew up on the same block on the upper west side. How that possible. Say That jokingly only to say you shouldn't be ashamed of where you're from but we we look at the diversity of people in the newsrooms. We have to look at geography as well so that when we have a big moment in the media are big news story. Some of the voices that you hear are from those places. That's how I feel because even then you know were. I feel like we're seeing those stories but you know you hear like a Matt. Lauer store you only here. You see the movie bombshell. It's like it feels like it's still centered around the white people who have had these things happen to them and I think that many of the women who've led the metoo movement have acknowledged them and so you acknowledge it and then you say they'll what's next. That's my point. I mean I had a great conversation with a wonderful friend of mine. Aaron Carmona from fantastic reporter and we talked about having this little group of women from all racist kind of come together. I I did an event When I was on my break and it was influencers in the digital market so these are executives with all of the big ones Google Blah Blah Blah. You know and that's not to single out. Google visit a big room of all white females under the age of thirty five who were in like either in big positions on the verge so they are important voices welcoming. I don't know fifty people there. I was the only black person and I was. The guest speaker was like and I said to them. I have to tell you. I'm so honored to be here but look rail and I said so when we're wagging our fingers at other groups saying you are this are you at a look at your social media page. How many diverse friends do you have? How many of your friends are Lgbtq? I what what's your tribe really looked like before you judge someone from Texas and said look at him that Bubba. He's living in that same corner for his whole life and he doesn't know anything. We have the great privilege of living in the biggest cities in America. The most diverse communities. How diverse is your social media page of friends Halley the right. They're talking about that room. You know where you were there and there was all young white women in it that you were that are inspire. What do you want to say to younger? Non White women who like want to be in those spaces who are maybe like listening now. I want to get in the media like I want to do. What Tamara's do you belong here as much as anybody else? I wish I could write a blueprint to say if you turn left on this street and then go right and then there's going to be an alley and you're going to go down that alley. I really wish I could. That's not possible but the mistake I made was to believe I wasn't supposed to be there or I had to have an invitation. The invitation may be lost in the mail. But that doesn't keep you out of it and so for me it's it's just a constant reminder that we belong and history is on our side and I say that again based on race but of gender whoever thought me to you know what I mean. He's like what yeah All of it points in the right direction because it I do believe people are good people. You know bottom line I think most. I don't believe that most people are bad and all of these other things sometimes. It's easy to believe especially if you go on twitter bird scary I think people just want a fair shake. They don't WanNa feel that someone is standing on them so for me. Just reminding yourself that the odds are not stacked against you in the way you believe yourself what who. I would consider a great interviewer. What do you sort of do to prepare yourself for an interview like but took on your show. You know you're like how do I get someone to share with me? How do I you know get an interview across that is going to affect my viewers to you know what I think about each interview. You do is connect it so once someone sees a billy porter interview for example and then they come on the show they are also bringing in that billy porter energy they okay. I saw billy. He was a safe space for her for for him and that was great. And then you know I saw I Dunno Jane Lynch on Annex Jane Lynch is telling us about her relationship in the bed. Rules J. T. Am I you know I think each interview is oddly connected And so for me. I work with my team at Santa's in here one of my producers. He knows we'll email all night long. I I read everything and then I ride. Just try to stay in the moment you know. I tried to listen to the answer and be present in that exchange because no matter the topic. I'm honored that that person thought enough of me to come on my show so they deserve my attention. My respect my curiosity My safe zone and I think that that's always something that I've brought. I started out as a general assignment reporter overnight and basically every story I was assigned to was usually because someone was killed overnight. You know I was covering fires and gang violence In Dallas Fort Worth Market. So I'm knocking on someone's door at four. Am saying the police have just arrested. Your kid or someone just died in your family and you learn this balance of being a journalist but also keeping my humanity and that helped me along the way and interviews and I try to always remind myself that how it feels and the power that we hold when we know the question that we're about to ask and the other person on the other side does not and that's intimidating and I try not to. I want people to always know that they're safe to talk about whatever Have you had some favorite sort of interviews? That looks sort of really stick with you. You know what's crazy? I don't have a favorite. I have a favorite feeling. And that's when you know somebody is really there to talk to you. They don't have these talking points. I won't be Gobert. Came on for the first time and I've only known her on the surface of course when you meet whoopee at any we'll be my guy you changed my life. Oh my God. What were you changed my life moments but the first time we actually sat down was on my show and I remember. She walked out and instantly. I said I know that walk. I know that Stri- and she sat down and I said I only know one of the person with a cooler walk and she said WHO and I said Prince and then she started to tell me the story of how she fashioned her walk her stride after her brother who passed away and she always admired his stride. And before you knew it I was having a real conversation with Whoopi. Not Talking points on her book that she had entertaining book. She was like come to my house and dinner book whatever she had but it was a real conversation and so that was I. I was able to exhale because I thought wow I'm talking to will be truly as we would in her home versus this orchestrated. Tv moment and that feeling is not just as a celebrity. That gives you that I was in front of What are the worst tornadoes that struck the United States? It was right outside of Waco and the people there had lost everything. Children had died. And this couple like look we're gonNA rebuil- and I'm thinking I would be on my knees at a ball just unable to function and this raw feeling of really talking to someone and not talking at them not anticipating their answer and going it. It's a feeling it's not a person it's a feeling and that's what brings me joy to look back and without. Whoopi stride ridiculous ridiculous. He's got the coolest walk. Start walking like that. And then you had billy on the show. Obviously you've been a friend of his and you know the pose and like these kids that are inspired you. What else is inspiring right now. Like what are you watching? What are you into the last? Oh Gee on TV. I think it's brilliant. I think it is. It's Norman. Lear esque I mean because this the whole riff on Ridge vacation is this great in prison justice reform. And what happens is is a great. And he's got a food truck it's Marvelous Mrs Mazel. I'm addicted to rotten. Have you seen rotten all? God you have to see rotten on net flicks. I Love I. Just I'm a TV junkie to a hunter Black Mirror. Black Mirror they. They lost me with an hour long special thing that they do interactive TV. I didn't need to choose motive. I didn't need to tell me what I tell. I think Black Mirror is phenomenal. Reminded me of the early twilight zone. I like that kind of sci-fi Yeah I love that part of the reason why I always love watching daytime like I still. When I'm at work I have a CO worker Mat. Rogers he and I will like watch. we've watched some your show. We've watched the view class. We Watch Kelly Clarkson. Let's just love daytime to update? I'M DAVE TIME T. I don't watch it 'cause now I'm on it. I don't get a chance to but I love to watch Ellen Kelly. They have like a variety. Our show is more talk and you know the view is more like when you go to your house and your own account got other room and watch it represents a slice of who we all are which is why it's so enjoyable and daytime always a great space in our hearts because it does represent a little slice of everything. Nineties can't be daytime. Tv like Ricky Lake or get lost from Geek Fat. Naumov that yeah. That was actually won't be seeing that on my offense IRA. No I love that Melissa Mari. I don't sleep on Maury Maury still doing. Dna has and is one of the highest rated shows. Okay I'm like. He works less hard than I did. I'M GONNA go ahead and say hey just swab and people down to that Judge Judy. Judy is people talk about like goals. And Jay Z and beyond say judge Judy sitting on gold bars underneath. But Doling out justice. That was GONNA be when if this didn't work I was like I'm going to get a court show hall of Justice. Come in very judge Mathis. Listen play that I am. I think we need that segment on the show like different designer robes. Andre Leon Talley when I come in the hall of Justice. Let's second season doesn't work out. We know where we're going to holiday. I was GONNA come in with bailiff IRA would love that. God Ira what do you think? Yeah Judge Judy. He's been there since the beginning and pay must be sitting on media. I gotta work less hard. Yea workless mentoring kid. The goal work. I don't know about you but I came here to relax Terror. Thank you so much for being here. We'll come and see me are well. You probably will either just like you're no less of a man if you don't have hair. I've been added. I felt like it. Just say Bali know less of a man. 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Visit to get started get Roman dot com slash peeping in January Justin Chambers one of the last remaining original actors on Grey's anatomy announced. He was leaving the show. After Sixteen seasons playing Dr Alex Karev the goodbye seved unceremonious and last week. We finally found out where the doctor went. I want to say that when he left the show by the way he was just sort of gone and then he announced that he was like leaving grades and people were like Oh his last episode already aired. So it's very weird. Because he was just gone from the show was his role diminished. Anyway not really okay. Sort of but There's so many fucking characters on grazing that at this point to now it's like Er and its last season But this week we found out that he has twins with Catherine haggles character izzy and he left the show to be with them. When you bring when you say the name is e Stevens suddenly back in college. I can't believe that's a part of this narrative still Despite being with the love of his life a character. Dr Joe Wilson in the episode. It's told in chambers voiceover and letters written to various characters intercut with flash backs of Karas nostalgic moments from old seasons. And that's that love right off of a character at its done with narration and voice. Over and letters. It reminds me of when Matt Doug spots character was written off. Melrose place. He'd already sort of left the show they needed a plot point to happen in one of the last season so he returns only to die and then everyone was wondering around reading his journal. Oh my God amazing that reminds me of the last episode of the wonders. They didn't know it would be the last episode for sure that would be the last season. So at the end you just see slow motion footage of them at a parade. Not Speaking as the voice over tells you everything that happens to every character and the mom is just not reacting to anything onscreen as as the Daniel Stern. The vio goes mom went on to be a board chairman. Dad Died. I mean it just like right after another. Here's never happen. We're ending it. Suddenly this is like to me what I would call an anti right off. Because it's so anticlimactic and Shonda. I know she's not the one who's writing the show so much anymore. But this is the most Sean. She's not only one in the writer's room just her what's going on in the fire station this week but yeah. I was I was not. I was not surprised. Because the way they've killed off other characters gotten rid of other characters and grey's anatomy in any Shonda ver- show has been born. Dick EULESS WALKER. Absolutely wild when they killed. George o'malley and he gets burned and then he has to go to the hospital and her and tell he makes 007 his hand. I hated that I hated that episode. That when even Katherine HEIGL CHARACTER. When is he gets sent away isn't it because is he's like handle herself as it's horrible to work with. Yes Oh yes. There's a long series Katherine heigl narrative on that show. We'll wait for the four part. Catherine watched that. Actually I would to worship era. You've now invoke secretaries still in suits advocacy last season suits. Is it still on no way of knowing? Don't even ask Obviously also about the spread off called what type of Appeals Torres Torres? I Love Her spinoff Pearson got it got it got it. Now you've invoked the memory of TR. Night and I have to spend arrested day wondering what the hell happened to him. We nominated him for an emmy nominated him to leave the earth. What happened to nominate him for an Emmy just because he got called a faggot onset was that before or after we'll have to check the time line why he was nominated the same year as Ahah Wash- Washington story with scandal. That's why I was written off yeah. Tr a factor and then he did a movie with Monique and then nothing forever. I don't know what happened to him. Yeah how how did Sandra Oh's character enough. I didn't keep watching grey's anatomy. Oh well Sandra Oh's character lease for a job And they brought Birkbeck okay for that episode years after the fact that incident Anyway Sandra the film killing Eve happen the fact that incident my favorite Robert Ludlum book. I think the the character leaving a TV show that we most talk about the most. Think about is shelley long cheers. Because you wondered speak for myself I do love Jere because I watch cheers the first episode. It's like a one act. Play the entire idea of a Sitcom was sort of formed cheers. This image also moved on from it. It feels like you're watching a a live show in a way that multi. Kim's don't feel to me now but I have to say right here that I stand rebecca. How on cheers? I want I think gay people need to stick up more for Kirstie. Alley's work on that show which she did win an emmy for that work. Yeah War but I love to hear. Sally cheers like ivory washed. All cheers recently I love it. Yeah obviously the scientology angled does make it problematic in hard for me but when she came on screen and I call her the people's Lauren. Bacall you know feel that she was like eleven foot four seemingly she would like have to like crawl under the door frame to get in and she was just the. The blankets stared hardest stared. It was she was such a rare kind of actress to be on a Sitcom I thought and she should be celebrated more along with bb. Newark on that. Show is also fabulous. Yes miss bb yes. me thinking about crazy. Tv character exits Obviously I'd be remiss if I did mention the O. G. Diana MOLNAR leaving. La Law one of the great exits of all time of course So this was a woman who played a lawyer name. Rosalind Shays as she was sort of like the bitchy ice queen of the show sort of like a precursor to Amanda Woodward on Melrose Place Heather locklear the late eighties early nineties. You can picture. The shape of the Sushi wears okay. Yes down trying you. The Dynasty era too. So it was like everyone either. Wanted to be rich and wealthy like Joan Collins or they wanted to be a sexy lawyer in Los Angeles But basically she left the show so the writers wrote her out by having her fall down an elevator shaft. Now right on camera like buster. Keaton is having a conversation with our while leaving the office. She does not look doesn't even seem to press anybody walks and falls down the elevator shaft. And it's it's open like any maintenance open that's ridiculous yes. It was very ridiculous and then after that other people started leaving the show. And then like that killed. La Law was it one of those write offs where the actual actress was horrible. Or the character just wasn't fa- servicing the show anymore. I think it was more that more of that and also like she was sort of like the bitchy character. She like Skied her way into becoming a partner. had an affair with somewhat at the office and then suit them for sexual harassment. So I think the audience was sort of like in a moment where like we don't know if we like her and then they wrote her off. It's sort of like if Kristen. Johnston on sex. And the city were an actual character we followed for episodes in episodes. And then of course you fill out the window in one of the wildest moments ever on TV and also by the way you get such a strange Mikhail Baryshnikov reaction to that shot. Yes summit underrated. I mean that's also as insane as Bobby Ewing Patrick Duffy. Being Written Off Dallas He left Dallas because he thought that he could get better roles Like a starring role for himself and when he got worse rolls. On step-by-step young that was years later But he laughed at was hit by a car. 'cause they thought if he was leaving he should die in a horrific moment He didn't get the roles that he came back a year later so they made the entire year that he wasn't there a dream. That is horrible. Yes that is so bad. Light up got up saw him in the shower and she was like had a horrible. Oh my God. That's like an iconic off drugs. Were knew exactly the writers room. It's like the days ending like fuck it. Let's just make it all a dream like that is yes. I'm really is. Of course you have to stand Miss blankenship exit on Madman Miss blankenship was this wild secretary who looked like her features were so cartoonist she. She was like a Sim. She had like the crazy glasses. Sam The crazy blue hair said she was all of those in one and she would say strange often funny occasionally racist things and she eventually was dragged out of the office. Weekend at Bernie's style by the other people in the Office Madman was really good at upsetting the tone of the show at shocking intervals. Like occasionally you'll be so funny or so violent or so strange and you could never predict when that was coming but usually got one spike of those working for Matthew Ear. That's exactly right there's empire there's just a small leaving empire which I had stopped watching empire but went back to get that you're ever explained why Jesse Small. It was written out of this off. He ran character Reynoso. I knew in real life. He was hate crimes. Allegedly we real anyway Madani. I Love Journey. They should've brought journey into empire play Oh that would have been so amazing. Yeah just really just have her as Jamal and like not explain indifferent yeah. I still thought that they should've gone full soap opera and had him come back with a new face or something it would have been fine but empire is not fun so and I'm thinking of also Nicolette Sheridan who's been written off to TV shows because he's hard work with. That's like the two time. Whatever the look of two time. Oscar winner is to time right really exciting. She was off desperate housewives because of our fight with Marc Cherry Issue and I'll just say by the way it is perfectly okay to take Nicholas site there. Yeah and then. She was written off. Recently the dynasty reboot. Oh my God I heard. She was shoved into a fire place now by her son her face scarred and then when Alexis comes back she has plastic surgery as Liz Gillies Stop who was playing her daughter Fallon Because she had gotten plastic surgery to look like her daughter. That was just letting Liz play her for a couple of episodes before she left town again. And now she's back recast as a new woman again by the way you fucking love this shit you just love it too. By the way these deaths are like how people die in the game thirteen drive. A statue fell on. I fell off a ladder in the library. Nicholas Sharratt and then would be tied with two time right off with WHO LEWIS TO TIME? Right of. This has to be easy. Come on it is easy. Oh God is it. A woman dramas. Yeah well long. Technically because I feel like she was written up modern family recently but I have no proof nineties and two thousands of God. God God Yup break it to me. It's Shannon Doherty. I'm fired not what Al because because for reported Fights with CAST members being difficult on set Brenda was written off nine. Two hundred she went to school in London. Maybe the definitive eighties nineties name Brenda. Yay and then charm her her fights with Elizabeth Lotto Her written off where they allegedly had a ding. Dong the witch is dead party after she left the chef when knowing now what we know about Eliza Milano. I'm like I'm on Shannon. Who's to say yeah right like? She was probably insufferable. I think my favorite thing about rose McGowan tweets exist it. It's probably what was doing under set of jar right my favorite thing or just walking up behind you and just like whispering. Her thoughts about the election yeah Might everything about rose. Mcgowan is a sometime after the show. She gave an interview. Of course it will watch that show anymore. Rarely hear could it be like is that show is not good it truly was not but it was very addictive charm Who Gene shall reviews if I could Think of exits that. I feel like actually worked Marina Cooper leaving the OC. It killed the rate eggs the but the fourth season of the OC was amazing. And I feel like she bogged down the show in season. And that's a famous car accident. Yes yes and I also liked Dan Stevens leaving out Naby. It gave Lady Mary something to do right. Which is the whole thing the way it might take away from. The Downton Abbey movie was that we did not give lady Marian of to do and now she is exactly the kind of actress the makes me feel like I belong on earth because just a Kurt woman who has like a three word. One liner to unleash at any given moment is like my version of a superhero. That's a marvel creature for me and I mean we talked about earlier too. I mean like I feel like that maybe the current definitive one Of something that unfortunately a character exit which the raiders have no control over. 'cause Josh Charles wanted to leave the show. And it's such an amazing season and his death in the episode in Season Five. is really powerful and moving. Unfortunately the show was never able to recover after he left which is always a thing right as writers you know. It's like when an actor decide that they want to leave a show. What are you supposed to do? Yeah right American. Basically right because it's like the whole point is that audiences attached to the character and they're watching them week to week and then when you abruptly to remove them it can be hard to replace them or just sort of pretend they weren't there. Also if they were the driving force if they facilitated story lines for your other main characters. It's like okay. Well what now? What does this person playoff of? And I also need to shout out of course when Valerie. Harper ended up leaving Valerie Valerie Valerie's family and was replaced abruptly replaced but it became Hogan family with. Sandy Duncan a celebrity. We don't talk enough about anymore. And we thins spokespeople exist. I feel like I also only ever saw reruns of Hogan's family values family. Yeah right right right. No I feel like Hogan's family is hopefully weirdly more I contact. Yeah so it worked for them. I Guess Yeah Yeah. Jason Bateman directed some episodes. He was like seventeen. I said this is something to look into that. I don't know about aunt was dark skinned and then light skins. I'm thinking I had to happen. But She Janet Hubert who played The original aunt Viv has long said that she hates will Smith And has re. She writes about it from time to talk like I remember in the heyday facebook. She was constantly writing things about how she fucking hated his ass. And that's why they ask. Though that famous scene that has sort of remained viral over the years of killing it in an aerobics class freshman prince iconic hilarious. Also it just reminds reminds me of when like Dixie Carter got to sing on designing women or something. It's like you're only doing this because you would only give liberal monologue if they also let you saying right. Yeah like they cut a deal with Janet. Everybody dance now that I either now. Oh please. Original air the dance audition and now with her like moments and black Muscular hipbones yes. You've never seen anybody swivel like And speaking of a black woman written out I finally I'll say. Rip to Nicole Bahari on sleepy hollow. They are over there and we all start watching the show after that that's why get cancelled anyway when we're back keep it took Edward. Back with our favorite segment of the episode is Keep It. Hello Louis Hello. I'm GONNA GO AIDA. I'm feeling shady today My keep it. This week goes to low dicky's new show by fx on. Hulu called Dave If you don't know who little Dickie as he was a rapper who kinda came into prominence in two thousand fifteen the white Jewish rapper. He had this popular song called pillow. Talking and other popular called Earth let me freak and most popularly has a song with Chris. Brown called freaky Friday where he switches skin colors. He gets to being Chris Brown's body and can therefore say the N. Word I remember this. Yes yes so. This is the man that we're talking about. I feel like since Atlanta. We've all kind of been hungry for another. At least I know I have been hungry for another show about rap music and about entertainment that isn't like power and empire so to hear about the show. I was really excited. I WanNa see what he was going to do. And I kinda gave him the benefit of the doubt. The first episode was really bad. The first episode he brings on he goes and tries to get a future for our song with Y G. and it's that very like look at me. I'm a white man in a black environment. Like Weiji puts him on his instagram story. And he kinda blows up from there. It's very realistic. It's not a fun episode. The second episode and this is where I started to. Am I keep it? Actually Second Barkeep is to me liking that episode but he goes in and he has to perform at a young boys funeral. So there's a lot of room for comedy there. It's really freaky really weird but mostly my keep. It is is is not the rap. Show that we wanted like this. Man's not even a popular rapper anymore and he had a couple heads in twenty fifteen. And now is just starring in a show and also it's important to mention I would be remiss not to his name is Lil dicky because he has a penile this dysfunction none of this function that's true I didn't know that yeah It is I would say go. Watch it but it's just it's not good. It's not good. I didn't like it. It's called Dave. I'm going to do my Louis Tulum summation oh here we go keep. Its anything called day. That's not starring Sigourney. Weaver Ryan Bitch right here absolutely correct. I was GONNA say the same accurate. Kevin Kline underrated only one nomination What is your keep it Lewis. I hate to waste to keep on this but I have to say. Keep it to our girl. The Corona virus for a couple of reasons one. It's finally affecting people who matter and by that I mean people in entertainment. I'm not concerned about south by southwest being cancelled. I'm not concerned about when we had our first live show Lewis. I know not our best and I'm not concerned about coachella being postponed. I don't need to Sea TAC entrepreneurs wearing single strap overall not for me. Not For me. I eat up. I'm looking forward to fall Challah anyway. Okay you could you fucking what my least favorite seas anywhere. It's affected the Culver City community in that wheel of fortune and jeopardy will now not have studio audiences for the remainder of their taping. This season. Oh how would they go on? I okay okay I will go on. It'll be fine. That's not the point from our God. That's like married with children without having audience whoop every time Christina applegate walks out you know whooping and sitcoms is my favorite Stefan or cal comes out and we have to like candy. Here's the thing gameshows run on specific sound effects when you get a daily double. If there's no audience clapping something deflates. It's not right if if you're spinning the wheel and nobody's applauding. What are we doing? It's like an Ingmar Bergman drama all of a sudden. It's not as fun anymore and I'm worried. The dynamic will suffer and I won't be as addicted to the mania of a game show. Which as you know powers me while one. I feel like it'll be surreal enough to want to why okay You know I'm in for this real of fortune done by UNESCO and this are popular and they're not GONNA get cancelled over there saying they won't do it for two weeks and they're of course doing it. Because Alastair back an older gentleman has cancer is probably somebody who the corona virus would do more damage to pat say Jack similarly vulnerable because he is a mean conservative person secretly and they are weak in many ways and we just in an audience in just like sure anyway so the show is better still be amazing is what I'm saying. You don't think that they'll plug in audio. I wondering I'm wondering what share they will because like. You said it's to Erie to not have. Celebratory sounds when you win something. I'm waiting for when we start having ghost games of late. Nba Players. Just no nobody watching and that they can plug in Sound effects they're just like plugging it sound effects but no one the bleacher. There's something specific about a basketball game with no viewers that so straight it's it's half ass ballgame. Half waiting for Godot. I mean I don't know where the trauma and the entertainment begins naming absurdist. Play Up. You know I have few hobbies. I'm done at that one waiting I all. I got Christopher Durang Z. Kevin durant monologue in the middle of a game to God's ears St- Ira Yes My keep it is to current homosexual Former politician Aaron shot Who recently came out on Instagram? To the shock of no one right. Oh a pod of no. Nobody's made that unintended distinction. Aaron it out so see that right. There was a skill which she did. I admire this over here. I winced you're just mad at my dave impersonation right. No you did very well So anyway he came out after obviously years of not just speculation that he was gay but confirmation that he was gay because We live in West Hollywood. And we've seen him. Trolling the boulevard With other white men with washboard ABS And Pudding dollars down stripper's g strings and Making out with people coachella anyway He's I guess. Finally come out after enough. People have dragged him at bars in West Hollywood I know several firsthand accounts of people approaching him. And saying how could how dare you not come out? How dare you? Yeah my friend? Johnny Reinhard drug wing at the by revolver was Hollywood. Did that while we were there. And then saying the Lily Allen Song. Fuck you at Karaoke. Ed dedicated it to him. Yes art wins. Yeah Com anyway. His statement I just want to I want to parse this for a moment because one the statements bullshit I he says I am Gay okay. reminds me of. Im me the album title by Ashley. Simpson go ahead. Yes for those who know me and for many who only know of me. This will come as no surprise for the past year. I've been working through a list of people who I felt. Should finally hear the news directly from me before I made a public statement. I wanted my mother my father my sisters my brother and my closest friends to hear it from me I okay. Then he goes on into this whole thing about how he came from this sort of religious conservative family. And say I. I do feel for people who go through that. I don't feel for someone who is gay and was a republic and with a great conservative voting record and voted against the repeal of. Don't ask legislators voted against the Matthew Shepard at what's against gay marriage and he like he likes to bring up that like People like Obama and Hillary in two thousand eight were against that too. I mean okay It'd be fine if you had done like them. An ever. Apologize for that stance. There's no point in his coming out where he policies for what he's done to queer people And I don't think it's ever GONNA come. We still have photos of him hanging out with Donald Trump as recently as like two or three weeks ago. I I saw is perfectly fine with being a conservative asshole. But now that he's gay. We're supposed to be nice to him. I guess I also the thrust of that entire quote unquote apology. Sure there are a lot of people who grew up closeted or in a horribly repressive environment. Almost none of those people then go immediately on to enact anti-gay legislation like those two things are not related. That is a completely unusual circumstance that that would happen him. Furthermore I didn't get a sense from his apology why he is in politics at all no to me. He's just like well I. I was brought up that way so I have no choice but to espouse these horrible things if it wasn't for his no sense of a belief system in here and it's like well you were just involved in politics using a word. He says here out of pure ambition. Whatever THAT MEANS. He was obsessed with prominence and nothing else. Well I mean if it wasn't for growth in confidence he would currently be in prison right. Oh yeah that too because we're ignoring the fact that he was also funneling money from taxpayers. About what like Katy Perry tickets and flights and so it's like He should be in prison one to his comment to where he tried to come at someone for a saying that His office was decorated. Like the Downton Abbey Set and if you remember this is he had made over his office at one point and then the press was like an implied that he was gay was like it was made over to look like Downton Abbey In note about him being gay he mentions That the media would always publish untruthful things about him And he was always getting attention because he was a single guy dressed well and his had a preoccupation with Physical fitness but he says I was still naive enough to wonder why the news media what run with an utterly false story about me and a show. I never even heard of and still. Haven't seen Downton Abbey okay. Yeah we'll still there's pinterest. I bet you looked up something in relation to Downton Abbey that you've never heard of Downton Abbey then Lars Lars. I just WanNa say that is a lie anyway By the way everybody. Watch Downton Abbey. That's his loss Sarah Anyway he's a useless member of GIG. Useless is correct. Useless actually a pox. 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158 - The Mysterious Death of JonBenet Ramsey

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

2:25:06 hr | 1 year ago

158 - The Mysterious Death of JonBenet Ramsey

"As a parent I can't imagine anything worse than losing a child. I can't imagine a a worse way to lose a child and to have that child be murdered could get worse than that. Yes it could what if you were told to. Your child was sexually assaulted before they were murdered. What does that happen to them when they were just six years old? Could it get worse the that of course it can what if they were murdered in your home while you slept peacefully in your bed. What if they were murdered the night after Christmas killed in the basement after another successful for Christmas where everyone got what they wanted and the dream home your family lived in the dream home you bought with the money you made after busting your ass for years launching your own business merging with two other businesses becoming president new company position it for massive buyout making millions along the way? What if your daughter was taken from you just five short years removed from the loss of another other one your daughter's you just recovered as much as one can recover from the first loss you just rebuilt your life after divorce and death spectacularly rebuilt it and and then this happens? Could it get worse than that yes sadly there is almost always room for at least a little bit of worse what if view of the one to find her dead body and then you became one of the prime suspects in her murder and your wife became another and then your nine year old son became the third what if the court quarter public opinion decided that one of you to of you are all of you had to have killed your daughter and then that stigma followed you for the rest of your life and then you're self-made fortune faded away the homes and the boats and more sold to pay for massive legal fees tabloid after tabloid accusing you of murder everywhere you go people looking at you and discussed it doesn't get much worse than that and this is exactly what may have happened to John Bennett Ramsey father of the six-year-old beauty pageant winner Jon Benet Ramsey who was murdered the Ramsey Colorado home in nineteen ninety six despite being publicly exonerated by the district attorney's office as a suspect in his daughter's death years after first being accused jonbenet Albany Ramsey's murder still remains unsolved many still thinker father John had something to do with it. Do I think he did it or had something to do with it. Did his wife do it or I don't know. I really don't my God. This is a confusing one. I felt dizzy doing this research more. You unravel this case. The more complicated gets right when you think you know who did it. A new piece of the puzzle comes along away just obliterates all of your former resolve curious what conclusions you'll come to today. We take a deep dive into the mysterious murder of Jon Benet Ramsey. One of the most infamous unsolved murder cases in American history on another who done it true crime edition of time suck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to time suck overstate happy Monday made sacks the content parade continues here ear on time suck a hundred and fifty eight straight weeks of deep dives dives. 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My shows in Denver Denver okay time now to move on over to today's colorado-based topic the mysterious murder the very mysterious murder of young beauty queen a Ah a victim. I mean they're always taken too soon but especially this case taking far far too soon Jon benet Ramsey in the story begins a day after Christmas nineteen ninety-six almost twenty three years ago the Ramsey family only had just hosted a lavish successful Christmas party on Christmas Day. The ramseys were John and Patricia Ramsey knows patsy nine year old son Burke Ramsey and their six year old daughter Jon on Benet Ramsey John also had two living children from his first marriage twenty year old John Andrew and twenty-four-year-old Melinda Spending Christmas in one thousand nine hundred sixty with their mother Cindy John's First Wife in Marietta Georgia Giorgi Georgia Giorgi Down in Georgia. Oh Georgia land getting my ticket to Georgie the Ramsey ABC family lives in an affluent area of boulder and huge seven thousand two hundred Forty Square Foot Tudor style dream home at seven four nine Fifteenth Street and the exclusive Swank Lancaster neighborhood of Chappaqua good name good name for an expensive neighbor. It might be Chappaqua Shaniqua. I think yeah I said that's the way better named for a nice neighborhood like toilet nuggets or missing fingernails. That's rough one shirking swing by where you live again missing fingernails he you know what I can't swing doing by. I thought I thought you bought a place in Chappaqua. People named Flint and Chad live in a place called Chappaqua people name shredder and Gumbo Live and missing fingernails fingernails on the Ramsey home cost John five hundred thousand dollars which home wise is like a million or two today maybe more than two million over the next two years patchy remodeled decorated to the tune of an additional seven hundred thousand dollars. They're doing all right in the money department the average price of a home in this neighborhood today according to real estate apps like Trulia and realtor dot com is somewhere between two and three million million the former seven bedroom eight bath Ramsey home is valued just over three million dollars right now built in nineteen twenties exquisitely landscaped large private backyard card has three fireplaces a match takes up the entire top floor of a two story home that also features a large basement level thousand was so nice the Ramsey family had it listed on the Boulder Christmas tour as well as on a regular home tour in boulder when people visited and between fifteen hundred to two thousand guests would visit each year Passi would would take them a would meet him but the door was Jon Benet burke her side each of them wearing perfect little matching sweaters you know that they had to wear to make mama happy and nineteen ninety-six. Jonah just turned fifty three He. He just got an a six figure work bonus days earlier he was married to a forty year old former beauty queen. He was crushing life not only did he and his model Stepford wife tight family have an amazing home in boulder they also stunning summer Home Lake Michigan and the twenty five hundred person picturesque little lake town of charlevoix situated between Lake Lake Michigan and the western end of Lake Show Voi- which drains into Lake Michigan through the short round Lake Pine River Complex in the heart of downtown Charlevoix little summer resort town. It's been that way since the eighteen eighties waterfront home was one thousand seven hundred thousand square feet for bedroom for half baths valued over three hundred thirty thousand dollars at the time time the idea around a million dollars now the ramseys also maintain a third residents in Atlanta Georgia where they lived before moving to boulder drove luxury cars had a boats John had two separate it private planes they use pie license to fly around in they had big parties they would throw some of which would cost upwards of thirty thousand dollars and have actors performing part. I mean crushing rushing it. especially for Bolder Boulder Colorado still didn't even have one hundred thousand people in Nineteen. ninety-six only has one hundred ten thousand now. The Metro area has around three hundred douses mostly known as the home of Colorado's biggest university. The University of Colorado the buffaloes and the ramseys were kind of a big deal in boulder. Now you're GONNA have less members of the upper crust in a place like boulder then you're going to have some place at San Francisco or Manhattan. They were rich attractive had two well behaved beautiful kids burke was shy and quiet little Jon Benet was the exact exact opposite by the age of six already one America's Royal Miss Little Miss Charlevoix Little Miss Colorado Colorado State all-star kids covergirl the crown of national tiny miss beauty and more watch videos love singing and dancing in public or tiny body exuded charisma choose little star. Her Dad was one of the city's rising business stars her mom moms want towns premier socialites and her brother well yeah he was there to nine and cute and he smiled for all the family photos. If you live anywhere near the time Amazon Benes short life you'll probably remember you know some of Genie's beauty pageant pictures on the covers of almost every grocery store tabloid there week after week month after month year after year following her death. I still see her face at the grocery store. She's on the cover. Something just a few weeks ago some tabloid and it's been over twenty years since her death. Her death fascinated fascinated America at a level comparable to Nicole Simpson or Caley Anthony actually more Nicole's probable killer. OJ Simpson Keighley's probable killer Casey. Anthony Don sucks on both of them. They got more media attention than Jon Benet Murder Suspect John Patricia Burke Ramsey and others but as a homicide victim I I can't think of literally anyone who has got the same level of media exposure as Jon Benet Ramsey not even Natalie Holloway who infamously disappear almost a decade later in Aruba. Why did her case receive so much? Coverage will partially because she was a little beauty pageant winner. Let's be honest America Covets beautiful creatures more than those deemed not not as attractive beautiful people to covers more magazines and tabloids than the ugly people alive or dead and they always will also I think in in my lifetime at least because of a also because her family was wealthy. Americans are endlessly fascinated by opulence those who lives so many of us only dream about no one would give of to Fox about the car crashes if they were pouring ugly I mean wealth is a big part of the American dream. Is it not when you hear examples of people making it never tell us about let them live modestly barely paying bills being great parents being heavily involved in their community. You know doing hands on charity work. No it's tails. The people coming from nothing ended up richest faulk back then. Maybe doing some good with that money money. We love money here in America. I love my a little of freedom it can give you I get it and also part of the fascination surrounding the murder murder of Jon Benet has to do with children's beauty pageants. How could it not back in nineteen ninety six over a decade before shows like the at best creepy and at worst softcore or pedophile porn toddlers and Tiaras and the so bad? I wondered if it was a possible sign of an impending apocalypse. The first time I heard about it here comes honey boo boo very few people even a new these pageants existed scene is sixty seen a six year old girl decked out and make up and outfits that would seem you know possibly overly sexual worn by a sixteen year old girl captured the public's attention. It became fascinated because it's so what the fuck is going on here confusing. Why is this happening who dresses or kindergarten like that? Why was your mom's so into her being a model at such a young age and I mean seriously who does that who dresses up their six year old and bright red lipstick teases out their hair puts tons of foundation Mascara scare an island or on the face addressing essentially a mini skirt and cowboy boots and tight tank top Nazar dancing singing for an audience grownups fucking weird it also takes glamor shots were she's posing obviously sexualize ways like a photographer asked my eleven year old daughter to pose in similar ways as I've seen after research Jon benet reposing in Glamour shots? I would have a little what the fuck are you doing bud conversation with guy. Tell him he's leave right now unless he wants his camera and possibly parts of his perverted body a broken broken. All my hack hack gets me fired up but their parents have anything to do with a murder. Maybe maybe not will occur in both directions basic ecstatic on child murder lean towards the likelihood that Jon Benet was killed by someone within her own family but the brutality of the crime points towards someone outside inside the home. It's crazy case and it only gets crazy. The more you look at it spawned dozens of books documentaries theories that range from a simple cover by rich parents to Satanic Child Porn rings things of course to John Being Alive today and performing his pop star Katy Perry seriously. That's a that's a conspiracy not just some of my tomfoolery and yes we will for sure have an idiot to the Internet segment today before we dive into a time line expiration in this case. Let's take a quick look context start with Kitty pageant kosher then quick little bio for each member of the Boulder Ramsey household child pageantry in America consists of about two hundred and fifty thousand children who compete in around five thousand pageants nationwide nationwide each year makes almost fourteen paget's for kids a day own my heck what the fudge stink in Gali Dead Nabet of that disturbs me because so many straight dudes are biologically hardwired to want to see women naked more than we want to see food on our table or the sun keep coming up. We already have more than enough sexualization in society. Here's some porn stats. I've found porn sites attract more visitors each month and Amazon and Netflix combined thirty percent of all Internet content is Porn fifty-six percent of divorces involve one spouse having an obsessive interest in online porn twenty percent of all mobile web searches are porn the world in general already struggles with giving women more than just a sexual identity because most porn is negative women so why the fuck would any parent in the right mind WanNa push their daughter into already been physically objectified when she's only six years old. I know that's not how they see it but that is how it's perceived creeps. I she's going to have to deal with that. Shit soon enough. Give her a few years to enjoy your childhood. I stutter letter fart and fucking Pinault's in shops smell NYC fucking hot garbage no dirt on her face and scraped up knees because she tried doing some sick as trick on her fucking bike letter letters be a kid but digress back to beauty pageants. The beauty pageants for adult women have existed in one form or another for centuries for example Medieval Brits celebrated May Day by having a little who looks the hottest in the long form thin bitten kind of our form Haydn. I guess more poofy White Dress Show and picking a May queen pageants got going in America in the Mid Nineteenth Century famous circus entrepreneur or businessmen all around exploitation machine. Hopefully Future Suck p.t barnum organized America's First Beauty Pageant for adult women in eighteen fifty four and it did not go well. The public protested parading women out in front of men in judging them on their looks was immoral indecent. It caused quite to kerfluffle instead of giving up on the whole idea of judge human beings made sack solely on their physical attractiveness borrowing thought well if they won't let me exploit women what if I could explore some babies and the very next year eighteen fifty-five a national contest barnum orchestrated called the national baby show attracted one hundred and forty-three child contestants and sixty one thousand viewers and then baby parades soon became all the rage around the country in the coming decades and there are still baby pageants today quick Google search to to sunburst beauty dot com Jon Jon Benet did some sunburst beauty pageants and they have competitions for girls from the age of just popped out a mom's baby whole to the age of twenty seven and that's it. That's it nothing for those twenty eight and up up. I guess I guess twenty eight is is ancient in the Padua just boo get that twenty eight year old office stage we came here. See some heart kids Ed's if you go to chowder baby patch and by the way I highly encourage you to use the word hot as much as possible in sexy. I don't WanNa do show by himself wearing aviator. VR Sunglasses indoors and having his hands in his pockets all the time standing in the back of the room. Just yelling shit like yeah knows kids. Don't hothouse babies talking about route say sexy hot near Saint Somebody sexy kids one hotel hot sexy babies then I want that they can stop having fucking weird pageants. That'll fuck it. Shut it down. An an expert on baby contests explained that many of these baby pageants babies have been historically in the early one stripped naked and judged by physicians according to a meticulous point system like the Houston cattle judging as what the nineteenth century beauty pageants works. That's cool cool yeah. It's not fucked up at all. Hey Lady come grab your degrade baby. Get the hell out of here where scarce him. It's a beauty pageant not an audition for Halloween Halloween House a horse once you take your Saka fussily sneak out the back they aren't you scared are hot sexy. Baby's cyber baby conscious went on hiatus in the nineteen eighteen fifties as a baby parades. Why 'cause people finally decided is pretty fucked up? Start Great Mates acts on their physical appearance when they're still in diapers. JK They didn't care about that at all. kids started getting polio and events where large groups of random children would needlessly congregate in public starting to seem like a like a dumb idea polo another various communicable diseases pre vaccine days. Luckily the polio vaccine became widely available in the late fifties and wouldn't you know it by nine hundred sixty one youth America were healthy enough to once again. Participate Peyton pageants nine hundred sixty one America's first official child beauty pageant got going yeah marshalls March kids on the stage palisades amusement park in Palisades. All Saints New Jersey started hold a weekly contest the summer from nineteen sixty one thousand nine hundred seventy one called Little Miss America the contest name was meant to evoke the adult Miss America pageant and which have been running since one thousand nine hundred eighty one but actually was not affiliated with it and Little Miss America was big hit drew roughly six thousand competitors each week and I'm guessing at least twice that many pitfalls the massive success little Miss American pageants did not go unnoticed by the people who like to make money and or work with with hot kids are regional creepy. The regional child beauty pageants began to spring up unlike little Miss America which is free to enter hadn't dress requirements for talent competition new competitions mimicked adult pageants more offering offering contestants the chance to compete in categories like talent and party wear these pageants developed into various children pageants that we know and hey today the worst one I found. Did you know that there is now an annual pageant Las Vegas for eight to thirteen girls called L. H. hoedown Yup the little Miss Hustler hoedown one of the categories pole fitness because of all the poll all finished classes nine year olds g-strings doing stripper moves in front of middle aged dudes judges and audience primarily men who are allowed to take as many pictures as they want as long as flash turned off. That's fine just no flash. That's the only rule kid's crotch shots that's fine. No flash also tease competition with the kids dance on a catwalk and take off after close they go all the way down to their underwear and because their kids it's not illegal for them to go topless so they can even take off their tops and they do and they end up bare-chested in front of these fucking dudes is gross and if you don't believe that it's real go ahead and check it out for yourself. Go to the website it's. WWW dot get the fuck out of here dot no not yet. None of that stuff is happening yet. Hopefully never will. I hope you're hope your outrage for a moment there as you heard all of that and you didn't think it was a big deal. I want you to focus less on podcasts to focus a lot more in therapy. If you'RE FUCKING WE'RE GONNA get my ticket out. She gives them up. Would you get some real help and pageants as bad as all that now. Oh I guess I know I'm sure a lot of people run in them have a completely different. Look at it but I do look at it like you're just like advertising your kid head for fucking pedophile. Would you dress them up enclosed it. I don't know how some of these people rationalize them not being sexually provocative. I mean it's it really and and I'm not approved by swear to God. A lot of these outfits have been row was wearing them at sixteen. I'm like whoa where where are you going. You're going to school no nightclub. Okay another round with a little bit of knowledge about the Kiddie Porn. I mean Kitty paget world. Let's take a look at the Ramseys to understand the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey. We first have to understand the FAM- the start it was Jon Benet Jon Benet Patricia Ramsey was born on August sixth nineteen ninety in land. Georgia should be just barely twenty nine years old today if she was still alive so oh crazy she would die so young if she died today she's still young. She died over twenty years ago. She was a daughter a beauty queen. The niece of another beauty queen to daughter of patchy in Jon Jon Benet was named after a feminine version of her father's first and middle names John Bennett also given her mother's name as a Middle Name Jon Benet Patricia Ramsey and these people the little little vein. I feel like that's always we never understood that the need to put your name in the name of your kids. I must make another media understandably Dan neither one of my kids have names that have anything to do with my first name or middle name which is Brent. Neither one of my kids are named for anyone of my family but but I guess they do have my last name what you don't want to be honest alike but if it was culturally normal to give kids different last names I wouldn't care to me research in his it felt like Patricia wanted to like clone herself right. Her daughter has has renamed Middle Name and said she did pageants. She makes her daughter do pageants seems hyper hyper focused on her daughter. Daughter's seemed like more like a doll her the human being you know I mean clearly you're getting pushed hard that direction. We do this stuff at the age like four. I think even younger three four five I mean she's a pageant girl raised by mom and her life revolved Aldrin Rehearsals costumes get made it pretty and competing not doing typical kids stuff. It's like she was more like a show dog or show. Ponies in a human being jonbenet Albany was youngest the two children at least on her mother's side her brother Burke nine. The time for murder was three years older by age six Jon Benet had already won multiple national pageant titles. Thanks thanks store bouncy blonde hair naturally poise smile glittery costumes Tenet the resume of a girl who only lived for less than six and a half years on this planet. This is a partial list Colorado Ratto State all star kids patching able ninety four little Miss Charlevoix July ninety four Miss Colorado Sunburst Summers one October ninety five five America's Royale Tiny Miss Division title July Ninety six America's Royale Miss Colorado Dream Queen July Ninety six. I guess it's the same one sunburst national pageants second-place August Ninety six Colorado Little Miss Christmas December seventeenth ninety-six Colorado's all-stars Christmas pageant metal for talent talent is a few days before she died December twenty second ninety-six and unfortunately there's not a lot else to say when it comes to Johnny's life since it was very short on the surface she seemed outgoing and confident was giving a plush and comfortable life and one documentary. I saw her room or bedroom and chateauroux bathroom should her own Christmas Christmas tree right before the holidays giant virtually life-size Santhal on this little kind of a couch she had in a room she was given wherever she wants tons and tons of toys. He's she seemed to be the center of her parents. Worlds very very privileged childhood before such a tragic end. I know a lot of Comedians in New York who would love to live in an apartment the size of Jon Benet old bedroom it also love to be able to furnish that apart with the same budget that was clearly used to furnish her room now more on her parents starting with her father John John Bennett Ramsay born December seventh nineteen forty three Lincoln Nebraska Ramsey moved with his family to Oklahoma Michigan at the age of fourteen his father Jay was a decorated World War Two coyote before becoming a director of the Michigan Aeronautics Commission as a teenager Ramsey competed in cross country played the band nurtured a love of aviation he inherited from his father he joined. ROTC at Michigan State University where he also met his first wife Lucinda Cindy Lou posh the the Cindy Lou the to college sweethearts were married buried in one thousand nine hundred sixty six moved the Philippines or Ramsey spent two years as navy pilot shortly after they returned to Michigan Cindy gave birth to their first daughter Elizabeth July of sixty nine Ramsey earned a master's degree in marketing from Michigan State and seventy one got a job in Michigan couple header their second child another daughter Melinda in seventy two after working locally really for two years John accepted in Atlanta sales job with an Electronics Engineering Company and seventy three before eventually striking out on his own. He has wife had their third child. John Andrew Nine hundred seventy six before divorcing in nineteen seventy eight and in the summer of seventy nine thirty five year old John met twenty two year old nine thousand nine hundred seventy seven Miss Virginia Patricia and Paul Rebounding with a with a model thirteen years younger. I'm sure his ex Cindy love that. I think it was I have in my notes miss for maybe West Virginia. It's not it's not a crucial detail to this narrative. It may be nineteen seventy seven West Miss West Virginia because that is where she grew up on anyway. yeah sure Cindy love that I'm sure she was thrilled to drop her kids off with an ex husband in his hot young model wife on November Fifteenth Nineteen Eighty Jonah Patricia and go bypass has he got married that we continue to live in Atlanta John's Ex and apparently they did get along pretty well for the next six years. They fucked so so much you know they he did. John didn't marry a young model mostly for conversation. I mean let's be honest he didn't he didn't January twenty seven thousand seventy seven Patricia gave birth to Son Burke John's fourth child and second son Nineteen eighty-seven Ramsey also founded a tech firm called advanced products group in Roswell suburb of Atlanta business boomed named a year later nine hundred eighty nine two years later excuse me nineteen eighty-nine advanced products merged with CAD CAD SOURCES INC of Piscataway Okay New Jersey and Cad Distributors Inc.. Of Boulder Colorado to form access graphics a Computer Distribution Distribution Corporation that would be headquartered in Bowler her access graphics was a business to business wholesaler buying computer systems for manufacturers then reselling them to other companies talk a little more about it in detail but I don't WanNa put everyone to sleep. They made a lot of money to inborn shit by Nineteen ninety-six the year of Jon benet murder the company would employ about six hundred techies worldwide by about three hundred and fifty those people would work at the boulder headquarters. I then on August Sixth Nineteen Ninety John and Patsy had the little girl Mrs Ramsay had dreamed of Jon Benet in Atlanta John Third Daughter Patsies I and within a year of Jon Benet Birth Nineteen Ninety one the family moved to boulder so John Run the growing company he was president and CEO of be present at the headquarters also ninety one forty seven year old John Sells access graphics is to Lockheed Martin in American Global Aerospace Defense Security and Advanced Technologies Company major part of the Military Industrial Complex luminosity ocoee kept him on to run the company life going very well his company's growing he's making stacks and stacks of cash his ex-wife amicable. He sees kids often then in January of ninety two tragedy strikes John's oldest daughter Elizabeth die suddenly in a tragic car accident in Chicago at the twenty two less than eighteen months after the birth of Jon Benet for the next four years following Elizabeth's death life would spare John any additional hardships. John returned to work quickly following his daughter's death continued to grow his company Johns on I two kids remained healthy or or as most read yes I mean healthy and he travel to Atlanta's often you see them in his family. In Boulder thrived burke was doing well in grade eight school. Jon Benet was rocking. The pageant seen patchy stayed at home ran the family social life. John worked lots of hours continuing to make a lot of money by nineteen ninety-six. The families net worth was estimated at six six point four million dollars nineteen ninety-six money crushing it by nine hundred six John also two planes and he flew himself three homes beginning to negotiate another buyout for his company. General Electric was getting ready to buy access graphics from Lockheed Martin for Cash Huguette an untold amount of money in that sale. WHO's rich rich look like he's going to be wealthy soon? Personality wise you describe by friends is exceedingly quiet calm and collected according to family friends John Murdering anyone especially as daughter fitter age. you know one of the many theories proposed highly unlikely. He'll never seem to lose his temper about money. Check this out. This is so sad to me. The Daily Really Camera Boulder's newspaper published article about John's business success just five days before Jon Benet murder on December Twenty First Nineteen ninety-six the headline headline read access celebrates one billion dollar mark. There's a picture of John Sitting at his desk looking so happy so proud and in less than a week is live completely. Unravel photos like that weird me out right. We're you know obviously with time elapsing. You know there's something really bad happened not long after that photo but in that photo of the person being photographed has no fucking idea right in this particular photo life was going so so well and then we know man just days later everything went to shit man. You can drive easily drive yourself insane thinking about things like data. You know how he was supposed creeped me out that you know because I think about that for me. Well we all do we personalize the stuff Michael. Shit things are going well now. Today's a great day for me. What's GonNa Happen Tomorrow the day after that? I think it's good remind yourself if you spiral on that also can go a lot better and most of the time the overwhelming majority of the time things don't fall apart tomorrow okay anyway. Here's a little excerpt from that article Michael When boulder-based Computer Distributor Access Graphics Inc.. Pass to one billion dollar mark in Nineteen ninety-six revenues. It tossed a luncheon party at the Hotel Bowl Dorado on Friday Friday. A dixieland jazz ban made the rounds at access boulder offices Friday morning to announce the celebration later played at the Ball Dorado John Ramsey president of access graphics thanked about three unemployed at the gathering told him he couldn't have happened without them. The one billion dollars in sales is about twenty five percent increase over the eight hundred million the company posted last year and Ramsey foresees continued growth again future is looking bright sky was looking blue who five days for our gets killed on around the twenty first lucky mart also gave Johnny Christmas bonus of one hundred eighteen thousand dollars Papa Ramsey rich even-tempered super successful computer guy in charge of a growing corporation a business business star in boulder making somewhere between Oh my heck. That's a lot of Gosh darn money and what the fudge what can you even by with old effort flips sake any had hot wife thirteen years younger than him and bad not bad now. Let's meet his second wife. Patricia an Ramsey called Patsy by your friends and family born December twenty ninth nineteen fifty six and the tiny tiny four hundred and fifty person town of Gilbert West Virginia Gilbert is just fourteen miles from the Hatfield cemetery of the Hatfield McCoy feud fame folk full cast ah few miles from where the hatfields used to fight the mccoys and the West Virginia Kentucky border. I would be the oldest of three girls born to Donald Nedra Apo- NEDRA CAIXA. It's rough name not a sexy name address. Listen No word about mom and NEDRA compete in any pageants probably wasn't allowed to sign up that name. I am Nedra here Santa for the BBC now. No you're not now closed. We just close right now just right now when you walked up when we when we heard that your name is lady net we have no lady net rule here at the pageant's according to Washington Post articles young girl. Mrs Ramsay Developed Reputation Listen. It's been a straight Arrow leader who studied hard enjoy performing shoes I like to do drama frequently thought others I high school. Mrs Ramsay discovered her love of of beauty pageants. Excuse me becoming runner up first runner up in the Miss Teenage West Virginia and here we go crazy. She began competing for the ultimate crowd of Miss America a few years later West Virginia University where she belonged to the Alpha Z. Delta Sorority. She stopped thinking of others first and stop talking ugly people altogether. I don't know if that to be true. Actually she was runner up in two preliminary competitions before winning the most Miss West Virginia tidal okay so was West Virginia there we go as a sophomore nineteen seventy seven at the national national pageants. She took home a talent award and two thousand dollars scholarship for younger sister. Pamela was also crowned Miss West Virginia nineteen eighty the pause dominate Nedra his daughters look fucking little lady nets offspring crushing those beauty pageants that was the first time instead of sisters won the state title before that nineteen seventy nine she graduated -aduated with a degree in journalism marketing move to Atlanta where mutual friends quickly introduce dirty John Ramsey and then she would marry him the next year things moved fast passy was a southern southern bell and a socialite made sure that both John Daughters from his first marriage were given lavish birthday parties. She did seem like a good step. Mom come from Gilbert which is pretty damn podunk. She must've loved being a young rich socialite. Living in Hotlanta she became involved in numerous charities like some lady called society. Ta Eh she was also dedicated voluntee- women's Junior League Patricia was also way endure daughters. Pageant career was total pageant mom. It was her thing she loved loved dressing Jon Benet up doing her hair put her clothes hiring coaches talking other pageant moms which again makes me feel like she thought of Jon Benet more is more of a toy doll than daughter. She was living breathing Barbie. She loved her but still weird to me. Neighbor would later recall at one time. Jon Benet came downstairs as Patsy was having a conversation with neighbor another neighbor. The neighbor shocked because Jon benet suddenly had bleached blond hair the last time the neighbor had seen her her hair was clear light brown when this neighbor ask patchy about it she said just from the sun in Michigan. NOPE Patsy was dying or daughter's hair from the time. Johnny was five years old getting that hair dyed blonde. 'cause you gotta be prettier. Who's GonNa love you if you're not pretty nineteen? Ninety-three repassy was diagnosed with ovarian cancer what was in remission by nineteen ninety-five even rich people can get sick sad reminder that you can't get to a place in life where you're just insulated from anything bad happening to you. That's kind of this story to maybe that's another reason the story fascinated and continues to fast indigent republic to remind you that no matter how much Astra kicking a life life can still mother fuck fuck you happy thought my my heck my heck. I apologies for the language and I was quite dark. Now talking about patches I shall jonbenet's older brother Burke Mark Burke Hamilton Ramsey. That's real name Beck Hamilton Ramsey born on January twenty seventh nineteen eighty-seven in Atlanta Georgia some trumpets went off. He's born. I present you Hamilton Ramsey pump Barabara. We don't know a ton about him other than he wasn't cute enough to compete and little boy pageants so mom on probably loved him less. I mean that's how it works right right. I actually do think that he was the least favourite and jealousy may have fueled an accidental murder after childhood of Wealth Burke Ramsey his life starting to chaos for years after his sister's murder partly because at nine he was a murder suspect. The subsequent extensive publicity of his sister's murder was reportedly caddick nightmare burke of course it was. I watched an interview with his dad. John conducted years after Jonbenet's murder where he said that immediately after the murder they pulled burke from school for well made sure to limit his exposure data Paparazzi and just you know socialization general keep away from nosy neighbors prion is tried hard to protect him from the media circus. You know that you quickly enveloped them when they became mm suspects and then the first time you let her go to the grocery store. After his sister's death months later he sees a tabloid cover with his sister's picture on it and a headline accusing him of murdering in her he was devastated of course he was a burks relationship with his sister was less than perfect as many sibling relationships are to be fair he he may He may have had a little more anger towards his little sister than than some big brother's family friend photographer Judith Miller would later say that Patchy told her burke had actually actually struck Jon Benet in the faced with golf club year and a half prior to murder hard enough for her to need stitches. She gives small cosmetic procedure from the plastic surgeon to avoid scarring. Mama can't have a BUFFA Barbie. Doll you gotta get that little face ready for the camera. Who's GonNa Review Birkin? The families that it was an accident. Maybe it was but later patsy would try and change the dates attach. This story saying the burke was five or six years old when he did. It was actually seven so let's just odd detail. Maybe she forgot. Maybe not a big deal or maybe burke you know hated. Sister was getting increasingly increasingly violent towards her dudas Philip Ramsey friend for more than ten years local photographer said this about the golf club incident many years later. I think burke had a bad temper. It's like a chip chip on his shoulder. He had hit Jon Benet before the murder. I would have to say it was probably a year and a half they were playing in the yard and apparently he hit her with the Gulf right here points the area under her eye. She patsy said the kids were playing burke lost his temper and hitter with a golf club. Could he lost his temper again a hitter with something else and killed her nineteen ninety-six and could the family. I believe tried to stage another crime scene or make a different type of crime state crimes to make it look like an intruder did it that is a popular theory also former New York City prosecutor retired. FBI Supervisory Special Agent and profiler Jim Clemente and former new Scotland Yard criminal behavioral analysis Lower Richards who examined the Jon Benet case for two thousand six six teen two thousand sixteen CBS Docu series discovered during their investigation that apparently burke had committed what they called some scatalogical infractions as a child scatalogical infractions meaning that spread feces his own around the ramseys bathroom and even around a Jonbenet's bedroom. Eh drew time or two peanut butter showbiz Hollywood spreading his shit on the walls of sister's room ex. Oh my heck that seems pretty hateful my little sister Donna Nordea shit out of me all the time growing up but never hit in the face with blunt instrument hard enough to send her to the doctor and I definitely didn't literally or didn't smear literal shit on the walls of a room. That's a some next level anger. The same investigators also watched the video burke with therapist shortly after his sister's death and they were bothered by how just a relaxed he was when he was asked if he was worried about a killer her sister's killer specifically coming for him and he wasn't worried at all. He said like I'm just the life he's very calm and you know why would he be worried about a killer coming for him. If he was the killer we'll get ahead of myself. We'll talk about who may have killed Jon Benet and why soon enough enough and in detail overall burks to be pretty well behaved kid when he wasn't whacking system to face with the golf club or wiping his shit on the walls bedroom and now that we know a little bit about the family wait. Let's get into today's timeline starting just a few days before jonbenet's murder right after a word from today's for sponsor. Today's Times is brought to you by by Steph Cox Gurvey's. You might be a killer world tour. Get your tickets now. 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It ended with Jon Benet is enjoying her first year in real school kindergarten in the core knowledge program is fast pace and five full days a week doc. She has already been moved ahead to first grade math. She continues to enjoy participating in talent and modeling pageants. She was named America's Royale tiny missed last summer and it's Colorado's little miss this Christmas. Her teacher says she's still going. She'll never have trouble delivering an oral book report Merry Christmas and much love the ramseys earlier. They wrote a less flattering message about their son Burke Christmas letter. Writing Burke is doing very well. He hasn't hit anyone with a golf club all year and he is barely smeared his feces on anything he wiped got a few Jon benet dolls and dollhouse with tiniest bit of poop and may have rubbed a little bit on our pillows around Thanksgiving but that's it. We're super proud of him. I know they had nice things to burqas well. On December twenty third the Ramseys hosted a Christmas party where approximately thirty guests attended including former journalism professor bill mcreynolds who played Santa Claus is poor bastard when Beena suspect and all of this the suspect. I feel these stories for in some ways the next day Christmas Eve was a busy day for the Ramsey Jesus. Well an article appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera regarding the success of the Ramsey Christmas party the day before it's been a slow news day according to various reports Jon Benet played her friend. Dan Meghan Kostanic House that day Ramseys also attended the twilight service that night at Saint John's Episcopal Church in Boulder by nine PM. The kids have been sent to gather gifts that were stashed can hardly used basement room and John Ramsey retrieved a brand new silver girls by extorting neighbor Joe Barnhill garage place under the Christmas tree for Jon Benet then on Christmas Day nineteen ninety-six Jon Benet receiver bike and other guests of course she was pumped and I imagine Patsy you know immediately talked about how she had to be very careful. Always wear a helmet now by elbow pads kneepads risk writing loves God forbid. She crashed and skinny. Give some sort of scar. What will the judges thank? You won't be pretty around noon. Christmas the John left for the airfield to check on one of his planes return between two and three PM around five or six. PM Ramsey's Leifer Christmas party at fleet and Priscilla Whites home home. It was reported that nothing out of the ordinary happened to this party fleet would soon become another suspect in the murder. Many many suspects also has the most stereotypical rich white guy named history fleet white and of course his wife is named Priscilla. A guy named fleet doesn't marry a NEDRA. No Lady neds fro fleet anywhere in the drive home from the party champagne brother Burke fell asleep in the car the Ramsey before heading home dropped gifts offset Stewart Rocky Walker's house and then Glennon Susan Stein's homes so many rich white people stewart and fleet surprised. We haven't met an archibald born arriving home. Jonah put Johnny bed played a game with burke before burke went to bed Jon Benet and as last seen alive around ten PM lane safely asleep in her bed lying save John Apache went to bed would later claim they were never awakened during the night such a nightmare if true the next morning around midnight neighbor Scott Gibbons look kitchen window. It's Ramsey residents observe the upper the kitchen lights were on and dimmed low does mean an intruder was in the house would an intruder turn on the lights if they were. I doubt it it means someone from the Ramsey. Household was still awake. Nobody said they were more likely though so for a snack still wanna down for the day thinking about a cover up a murder a to another neighbor Melody Stan allegedly really here's a scream from within the ramseys home her husband and reportedly here's the sound of metal on concrete sometime after the scream years later melody would backtrack on that statement stating that she actually heard the noise two nights prior. If at all memory such a funny thing seems to be the most reliable right when you're closest to the event time Weiss closer into the incident. You're trying to call recall which just makes sense like if something happened you a few hours ago and you had to give a police report about an hour from now. Don't you think that your report is going to be more accurate accurate then if you had to describe what happened ten years from now that's a big problem with this investigation. People say one thing years later say another yeah we've learned about false memory syndrome multiple times sir on the on the suck memory very very tricky thing things we think can be so real can be completely made up our heads the morning of December twenty six the family gets up at five thirty. Am they were supposed to fly to Charlevoix Michigan for the little family vacation at the one of the other homes while Mr Ramsey shower Mrs Ramsay put back on the same outfit she had on on the night before reapplied or makeup. That's what she say. Find us a bit odd for lady who liked to show how together put together. She was but we're gonNA advocation so maybe she was in vacation. Mode and just didn't care does seem suspicious if you think she could have been one of the ones that did it or did it. I found a few reports said Patsy Ramsey also the second floor of her home to rinse out a pair of Jeans Jumpsuit Pajamas. She apparently soiled the night before then went downstairs to the kitchen to make coffee many have speculated that anger anger over Jon Benet continual bedding led to patches role in an accidental murder and then intentional cover up around five forty five. Am Mrs Ramsay heads downstairs reports finding finding a two and a half page note on a back staircase in the house. Patsy says she only initially read a bit of the notes regime kidnapped with safe and unharmed. The kidnappers wanted one hundred eighteen thousand dollars in cash more this crazy no in a bit upon reading part of that note patsy reportedly immediately screened proceeded to check Japanese Room. She found it to the empty ever hear Mrs Ramsay Scream. Mr Ramsey ran downstairs met Mrs Ramsay in the Stairwell together. They checked on their son who appear to be sleep his room Mr Ramsey then went downstairs to read the ransom note will Mrs Ramsay immediately called Police Patsy dials nine one one at five fifty two a m. She's understandably. Hysterical doesn't answer the operator's raiders questions very well. Here's the short transcript of this nine. One one call patsy Ramsey starts with police. What's going on Ma'am seven five five fifteen th st what's going on there? Ma'am we have a kidnapping hurry. Please explain to me what's going on. Okay there we have there's a note left our daughter's gone a note was left and your daughter's gone yes. How old is your daughter? She six six years old. She's blonde six years old. She just one Colorado Little Miss Christmas on December seventeenth. She got a medal for talent in the Colorado All star Christmas pageant just four days. Please help. We have a Michigan Pageant Day. You have to help me find. We have a hair bleach appointment tomorrow. Aw It's really hard to reschedule with Georgio please. We have rhythm worked over the choreographers meeting at noon to me. Sorry that's progress aggressive but I had to break it up. I knew going in that was tasteless but I felt compelled to continue a I'll show myself out myself out all all paths. He actually said it was six years old. She's blonde back back to the real transcript all right. How long ago was this? I just got the note my daughter's gone. Does it say who took Kerr. What does it say who took her? No I don't know there's there's a ransom note here. It's a ransom note it says sp victory please okay. What's your name? Are you patsy Ramsey. I'm the mother Oh my God please okay. I'm sending an officer over okay please. Do you know how long she's been gone. No I don't please. We just got up. She's not here. Oh my God. Please okay. Please send somebody I am honey. Please take a deep breath. Hurry Hurry Hurry Pazzi. Ah Pazzi Pazzi Pazzi patchy hangs up the phone which many forensic psychologist question when your situation like that when your daughter has just been take it. You don't know who's in the house you other members. Your family are still endanger. The phone is your lifeline to the outside world. Why would you hang it up? However to play devil's advocate everyone handles tragedy and stress differently? If you're panicking who knows what you're GonNa do also we actually had a couple of law enforcement friends about nine one one hangups and they said it happens all the time but check out this very very interesting twists on the hangup patchy puts down the phone because she thinks she's hung up the phone but it didn't hang up all the way the operator can still hear vaguely what's going on. No one is quite sure what happens after this because the tape is very fuzzy but it's been the subject of a lot of investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Secret Service the Boulder Police Department later send this tape to a company called the Aerospace Corporation which then analyzed it was super sophisticated sound enhancement equipment aerospace never releases its findings the Jon Benet case is still open technically in boulder so they still won't release it but the national enquirer supposedly got a hold of this audio footage and leaked it in two thousand and three and I know I I know it's a national enquirer just about the least reliable news alad in the world not quite as bad as the weekly world news entails a Batboy but not good however boulder's olders daily camera also reported on your hands audio right when the enquirer leaked it and reported quote. The general content of the transcript in the supermarket tabloid is accurate according to sources familiar with the investigation so I think it's definitely worth sharing this. Here's a transcript of what may have been said after patsy thought should hung up the phone on Patsy can then be heard Saint Helen. She's helped me Jesus then in the distance. There's another voice thought to be jonbenet's brother Burke. This is very important. This voice has pleased. What do I do and then John Ramsey? We think can be heard saying sharply to were not speaking to you and then Patty says helped me Jesus help me Jesus then she may have also said it's very tricky to properly a decipher this even for the audio experts but she may also said what did you do help me. Jesus seizes then more clearly burke can be heard saying what did you find. This doesn't prove anything about the actual murders but the Ramsey would later tell the police that burke was asleep leap the entire time if they're lying about that why furthermore although the operator couldn't tell what they were saying the time without enhanced audio she would later report port the tone dramatically changed when patsy thought the phone hung up Patsy was no longer hysterically babbling talking quietly while John spoke clearly and deliberately and Burke didn't seem scared or worried in a recent CBS documentary the case of Jon Benet Ramsey does operate says it sounded rehearsed and she wished initial lead investigators had heard her side of the story very interesting before we knew the time this case. Let's look further into this ransom note. It's very ought it may be the most important clue in this whole case for the sake of being thorough but I'm gonna read the whole thing Mr Ramsey listen carefully. We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction what small vaction no party believed for a second. That's true two sentences in and this feels Monica Nigerian e mail scam that does a real ransom note now just like some bullshit like we transfer can much money's into account. Please praise God. I have no time much of due to illness. Bank contact cannot take needed transferred. Could you help out of goodness hearts and give us bank info for us too much funds to you if you could wire just small amount of one thousand dollars. US To us to authorized transfer we feel trust to are you one million dollar knowing you are good person person of God the real note we do respect your business but not the country that it serves at this time. We have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want to see her now if you want her to see nineteen ninety-seven you must follow our instructions to the letter you will withdraw one hundred eighteen thousand dollars from your account one hundred a one hundred thousand we'll be in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attach Jay to the bank when you get home you put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between eight and ten. Am Tomorrow to instruct you on delivery the delivery every will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence it's an earlier delivery pickup of your daughter. Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied. Her remains for proper burial. Will the two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so advise you not to provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation such as the police ace. FBI ET CETERA will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies. If you alert bank stories she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies you will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found she dies author should've led with any of those last reasons skipped the first stray dog part weird tonal shift. I Open a nonsensical bill and then go you know very realistic if we catch you whittling a small tugboat out of Balsa Wood by seashore to carry handwritten note placed in Ziplock Sandwich bag for it not to get wet and put it out to see perhaps one legged pirate to find and try and kill us with cutler sort or antique ship cannon. She dies also don't call police make sure bills or unmarked nothing bigger than a fifty. Don't leave home. 'til all financial arrangements have made or having back to the real not now you can try to deceive us but be warn that we are familiar with law enforcement counter measures and tactics you standing ninety nine percent chance of killing your daughter. If you try to outsmart US follow our instructions and you stand a hundred percent chance of getting her back you and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You're not the only fat c-h-a-d around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us. John used that good southern common sense of yours is up to you now. John Victory Victory S. B. T. C. Okay many investigators. Go on to claim that the single best piece of evidence that ties Mrs Ramsay to this crime. Is this ransom some note. Mrs Ramsay would flatly deny having anything to do with notes creation. Obviously she would do that whether she was innocent or guilty as far as ransom note go this one is very long very verbose in fact. It's one of the longest random notes in the history of kidnapping cases. It could've been just four sentences. We have the girl withdraw hundred eighteen thousand dollars an unmarked non consequently bills from the bank. Do not alert authorities or the girl dies. We will contact you between eight and ten tomorrow to tell you how to deliver the money to us. Why would someone take that much time? I'm to write out a ransom note in the home of someone whose daughter they just killed and whoever did it wrote it did write it in the Ramsey home. I mean people believe they wrote beforehand and brought it but that would mean they would have had to come in a previous time and take the stationary from patchy is not because the paper for came from the House that's definitive that doesn't seem likely the no was drafted on paper taken from middle of a pad located within the ram home written with a pen found in the Ramsey home the pending the paper abor belonged to patsy additional sheet for missing from the pad and we're never located in the Ramsey home finding there was another page in the pad that had Mr and Mrs I com written on it which may a have been an early false start like start a rough draft of the ransom note based on a CBS documentary recreation of the note it takes twenty one minutes just to copy the the entire note out by hand and you would think it would have taken longer to write it initially because you'd have to think about what you're right. Over twenty minutes is a long time just to chill chill out write a note in an active crime scene when someone could walk up and catch it anytime someone coming in and taking Jon Benet from her bed and as you'll see never leaving the property with her killing her possibly sexually sexually assaulting her then sitting down and writing. This note seems highly unlikely to me now. Let's talk about handwriting analysis during the initial murder investigation in an attempt to determine determine who wrote the note the Boulder Police Department in Boulder County District Attorney's office consulted at least six different handwriting experts all of these experts consulted the original ransom note and compared it to original handwriting samples from both Mr and Mrs Ramsay four of these experts hired by the police to were hired by the ramseys. All six experts agreed that Mr Ramsey could be eliminated as the author of the note the same six consulted experts did not eliminate Mrs Ramsay as the author of the ransom note. Their reaction was mixed on a scale of one to five with five being definitive affinity elimination as the author of the note the expert tire by the ramseys placed Mrs Ramsay overall some routine four and a four point five described the chance of Mrs Ramsay being the author of the note is very very low. The animal analysts hired by murder investigators however think Mrs Ramsay might be the author and recently in Two Thousand Sixteen when a twenty twenty special air twenty years after the murder conditionally analysts Gideon Eptein seen Awang professional handwriting experts who have worked on hundreds of investigations thing that it is highly likely the Mrs Ramsay wrote the ransom note Seena Wong said it's highly probable that she wrote the ransom note if she did right to know does that mean that she killed her daughter know what it means. She has something to do with it. The very least you knew who the fuck did and wasn't her very likely your husband or son also an investigator closely involved with testing of the ransom note said out of the seventy four name aim submitted for testing patsies handwriting was the only one that set off alarm bells a Colorado Bureau of Investigation. CBI report concluded there are indications nations at the author of the Rams Have Noticed Pat Patricia Ramsey but the evidence fall short support that definitive conclusion over one hundred total samples of different people's handwriting were given the law enforcement investigators over the course of Johnny's initial homicide investigation. Every single one were proven is definitively not matching the note except Patty not her handwriting sample was the one and only one this showed a result of inconclusive couple more interesting point you made about to know before you move on and actually really quick before we get to these boats this remembering something. I didn't even put on my notes. the type of pen she used was a specific wasn't ballpoint that apparently makes a little extra hard to get a definitive conclusion so some of the handwriting analysts think that that was what kind of a little bit from being Patricia is that it was just the type of append made certain kinds of brush marks the that make it a little harder to say four shirts this person okay more about the note i John Ramsey was well. No millionaire why the kidnappers ask for one hundred eighteen thousand dollars why not a million the amount of hundred eighteen thousand dollars you know as as we know now that's the amount of his recent bonus and a strange amount mount to ask for not one hundred thousand not a million not a quarter million not even one hundred twenty thousand one hundred and eighteen fishy to me feels contrived also the supposed supposed kidnappers specifically asked Ramsey take money from his account. Why does that matter typically could ever? They don't give a shit. I give the money they'll give trump since how to get it this way to give it to him. Another weird detail according to experts is the way the kidnappers cry themselves who calls themselves a small foreign faction Y- like I said it gives it gives it a whole fucking Nigerian email scam vibe. If this faction was real small. Why would they want you to know they're small make more sense as they want you to think that they're large powerful big now trying to more powerful not less notes kind of sounds like something out of eighties actioner in her nineties action movies like die hard now John Maclean trying to save everyone from a theories efforts of a small foreign faction held destroy America Yippie Kyw foreign faction now back to the time after calling the police at five fifty four? Am Patchy calls family and friends both the White Family John and Barbara Fernie at around six am the world's most Caucasian couple fleet and Priscilla white arrive on the scene. I imagine both of them wearing silk ascot's they'd never seen patsy so hysterical flailing collapsing sobs John Ramsey was known for displaying emotion motion fleet who done a lot of sailing with him of course he had a rough weather had admired his calm even in the worst storms but not John distraught as well around the same time five fifty nine. AM officer Rick French fries in the scene the first of many officers from the Boulder Police Department to respond to the nine one one call he immediately makes a cursory search at the home finds no signs of forced I entry during a search off Rick French goes to the basement comes to door secured by a wooden latch unbeknownst to him. JONBENET's body lied directly behind it. Sadly the French walks away without opening it. If you would have opened it he could have secured a crime scene. Someone could've been arrested not securing the crime really made this one a motherfucker to solve for later investigators a flea white also searching house testified that when you began to search the lights were already on in the basement in the door in the hallway leading to the basement wine cellar room was opened further testified that a window the basement playroom was broken under the broken window. Mr White States there was a suitcase along with a broken shard glass. Now later will be revealed at this window and broken for some time and the suitcase suitcase also been there for some time nothing that had happened the previous night according to John Ramsey. We'll talk about this a little bit more suspicious. Mr White also opened the the door to the wine cellar room but he did not see anything inside because it was dark and he couldn't find light switch between six am and eight am four more officers arrived the Ramsey residents policeman Karl Vich Barry Weiss Viseu Barlow and their supervisor Sergeant Paul Reichenbach zombies parents now have a house full of people besides an increasing number number of officers and family friends there reverend rollover stock from Saint John's Episcopalian Church arrives around seven fifteen a m just before burke is taken to the White House Mary Lou Jets Grace Grace Morlock Boulder. PD victim advocates arrive around six forty five am with bagels and coffee houses now loaded with people people fucking up with their soon gonNA find out an act. It's you know it's fucking crime seats murder crime scene but they don't know that yet at eight ten. AM The first detectives on the case or Linda aren't and detector Fred Patterson who immediately began their investigation nations. Police are notified of the kidnappers plans to call between eight and ten am as per police procedure the ramseys phones are tapped in the calls are monitored but the small foreign faction never calls and and surprisingly enough no one including John and Patricia Patsy ever mention the missing of the kidnappers call window never bring it up a few officers investigators gators in particular detective. Linda aren't notice how strange that is they make note of that they know also the John and patsy barely in the same room together to this day. Detective aren't is convinced convinced that someone in the family probably John Kill Jon Benet round ten thirty a. m. that morning detective art notices that John Ramsey goes missing for at least an hour leaving leaving the house who supposedly pick up the mail later determine this couldn't be true given the family's mail was delivered to a slot in the front door while we lie about that what was he doing moving the body one. PM Detective Linda Aren't tells a resurface John Ramsey that the police conducting full suite with House John Fleet agree to join in will flee white light after John Ramsey moved his computer company from Atlanta Georgia to Boulder Ninety one the whites Ramsey's found that a lot in common flea was also successful. He's a tycoon oil business. Of course he was. If your fleet white you're not cleaning toilets Burger King you make an oil money manse good name solid rich name name both my kids Fleet White Change Qatar's Tamed Fleet White comments and encouraging to where Ascot's Change Monroe's name to fleet or white coming or maybe fleetest the fleas white she wore mink coats even in the summer a lot of pearls diamonds long so gloves father. What's for dinner caviar fleet? You know that's Mondays Caveat Nights Mondays caviar Tuesday's Tuesday's lobster Wednesday at stake and the rest of the week. It's whatever gets floor in fresh from pre dinner would be seven plates of gold and the food will be chewed by servants then spit into Jio mouse. I boy flee my data fleetest that going to chew their food. Xm Kevin Peasants Five PM detective detective art begins to lead officers on a thorough search the house from top to bottom John Grabs fleet heads to the basement again and that's when John Find Johnny's body according to forensics expert Ron Walker who worked for the Boulder PD the time whenever a murder is staged the perpetrator will deliberately take a family friend or neighbor to the body so that the other person can witness their shock and distressed their surprise upon the side of his daughter. John Smothers her cries out covers blanket takes Jonbenet's body upstairs effectively completely destroying the the crime scene. Now I do realize that might have been a natural reaction. Some of my you know my react to react that way up. I might not care at all about protocol might have been killed but if I'm very strange about all all this is that it took the ramseys over seven fucking hours to find her body was in the House the whole time think about that over seven hours. If one of my kids as was missing ransom note or not I would think I would tear the house apart looking for them and she wasn't hidden. She was laying on the floor in the basement of all the fleet or just turn on the light earlier her open the door right there. She wasn't hidden under anything. The family was now looking in the world you know for in fact they believed they believed the ransom some notes author. We're supposed to wait at home so if you're supposed to be home anyway anything you know you're supposed to waiting by the phone or at least you'll be able to grab the phone cookie when they call. Why would you at the very least it's not look everywhere in your home the nine eleven or nine one one call was placed at five fifty two? AM They can't over seven hours and they don't look in every room in the house what the fuck that really it makes no sense to me at all five minutes later at one ten PM detective art moves the Body a second time into a different room further muddies the evidence people could teach us about her for a long time as well okay now. Let's push pause time. Let's look at the crime scene a little bit polo job as mouth's was covered in duct tape nylon cord connected to a crude grat was was found around her wrists and neck and torso is covered by white blanket so sad I mean she just celebrate a dream Christmas and imagine now she's dead just got an I bike now this very strangely. She wasn't wearing the clothes her parents said she had on when she went to bed the night before so apparently she'd been redressed after her murder. John Apache told investigators that she was wearing a red turtleneck pajama jam atop when you put her to bed she was found in white. One Red Turtleneck was in the bathroom sink found according to John fully clothed covered by one of her blankets very unusual especially considering that her autopsy would later conclude that you may have been sexually assaulted before her death say mates this. You'll see thing it's so muddy here real quick. you know that detail would seem to make the whole thing stranger like what what kind of intruder sexually assaults kills a child and carefully puts clothes back on them fresh close then to take the basement careful as everybody in the ground and then sits down rights at a long rambling ransom note then leaves and doesn't ever call about the ransom money. It's all very odd making all weird or the ligature is around her neck and right wrist word investigators say very loose consistent with staging a crime the not used on the crude garage made from patsies own paintbrush to choke the Child L. D. death were quite intricate. Also unusual dirtbags you look into sexually assaulted a child strangle. Don't usually take the time to make a nice fancy. Not You don't know how can be real honest moreover there are no signs of forcible entry and more importantly no footprints in the melting snow around the house this makes an intruder breaking breaking in that much more unlikely Greg McCreery former. FBI agent and adjunct forensic psychology professor at Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale contributing author to the nineteen ninety-two crime classification manual do know some shit about crime as a pedophile and ransom kidnappers never overlap. He says bedfellows grab the child molested and discard them. Random kidnappers are in it strictly for the money what the fuck is going on with this crime. Although the corner did not specify the exact time of death there was a neighbor who told police that she'd been wakened shortly after midnight. Remember that loud person scream other Ramsey's tell police they heard nothing. They heard nothing then the boulder. PD makes a huge mistake. They would later admit it they didn't separate the witnesses the RAMSEYS and didn't get their statements had they done that. They might all case you know instead they potentially they gave the murderer or murderers months and months to come up with a plausible denial good plan hire the right lawyers in the basement where Jon Benet was found again. A window was broken. There was a suitcase case. I don't need to like we said friends is on the same thought that if a perpetrator entered the house you know maybe he would GonNa use this suitcase to get out the window. especially the suitcase had an an unidentified footprint on it but John Ramsey later told investigators he had broken window to get into the house when he locked himself out a few months before his weird that he didn't have someone Oh and fix the window right. They were loaded this busted months ago. Why didn't why didn't you have some come fix? It seems like a beat someone on the priority now let people speak in your basement. There's was a sizable cobweb. Also this is a big thing about the intruder intruder theory sizable cobweb on the window still there when police initially investigated it's if a perpetrator at slipped through the window yeah no not disturb this giant cobweb which would have been virtually impossible also the complexity and size the web was such that it couldn't have been new. Do it looked like it had been for quite some time between one twenty one thirty PM still in December Twenty six boulder policemen Ron Walker police officers Ron Walker Larry Mason arrive and searched the basement wine cellar for further clues they finally secure the home preventing further arrivals and contamination but the damage already been done one forty pm John Ramsey he calls his pilot allegedly is heard asking him to prepare a plane to Atlanta. The law enforcement instructs the family not to leave town five minutes later he'd in the officers warning the ramseys leave their house with plans plans to stay the night at Bernie's home at two thirty pm that day police conduct an interview with jonbenet's brother Burke which reveals the nine year old allegedly slept to the events of the previous night but what about that enhanced audio from the nine one one call now some point after this his father's advice to procure an attorney he does hires a friend named Mike Bynum the following following Dana Topsy of Japanese bodies conducted on December twenty seven by the Boulder County Coroner's office. Let's examine what they found out. The cause of Jonbenet's death was ruled as fix ya by strangulation associated with cranial cerebral trauma. The autopsy report supports the conclusion that she was alive before she was fixated by strangulation relation and that she fought her attacker in some manner evidence gathered during the autopsy was consistent with the inference that she struggled to remove a grat from her neck. The autopsy report reveals injury jonbenet's Genitalia consistent with a sexual assault shortly before her death although head we'll see that's going to be challenging but although no head injury was visible when she was first discovered the autopsy also revealed received she'd received a severe blow to her head shortly before where around the time for Murder Order forensic pathologist believes she was alive when she was struck on the head in alive when the garage was applied the scalp hemorrhage ran from the right eyebrow to the back of the head the correspondent skull fracture was eight and a half inches long with a small displaced fragment of bone. She had a subdural hemorrhage beneath the school. Although the head wound was a fatal type injury three Particu hemorrhaging of the is indicated that Jon Benet was alive at the time of her strangulation possibly brain dead or about to die but technically we still alive at that time the bleeding Jon benet Genitalia area also indicated. She was alive when she was assaulted. If she was assaulted her hymen was torn and material consistent with wouldn't charge from the paintbrush choose to make the Garrett found in her vagina the at such a strange wrinkled all this you know no evidence suggests that she was the victim of chronic sexual abuse which I would think would be the case of one of her parents assaulter however you know she was sexually assaulted by famous. I you know it could have been the first time as always has to be a first time on a possible. did John or Patsy or maybe even burke began to assault her. Kids are curious. Sometimes they do act out sexually another kids. That doesn't not happen. Did that begin to happen then. She tried to get them stopped. Often things escalated from there maybe again it's such a confusing crime and check this out. Mark Becker the man who is the boulder police chief during jonbenet's murder investigation Asian did read it. Ask Me anything in two thousand fifteen. This is what he said we know from the evidence. She was hit in the head very hard with an unknown object. Possibly a flashlight or similar type vitam the blow knocked her deep into the blow knocked her into deep unconsciousness which could have led some to believe she was dead. The strangulation came forty five five minutes to two hours after the head strike based on the swelling on the brain while the head wound would have eventually killed her. The strangulation actually did kill her. The rest of the scene we believe was staged this import the rest of the scene we believe was staged including the vaginal trauma to make it look like a kidnapping assault gone bat right and again that was a Reddit Ama response from mark back near the Guy who's the boulder police chief during jumping as murder investigation a guy who didn't understand what an AMA was and didn't realize that everyone would be able to find out what he said and felt bad about disclose all of that later I mean I mean the PD they I thought this was all staged. Vaginal trauma they fucked up is that I mean think about that means. You know that means that you know. Let's say burke master in the head on accident Donna Patsy. I think she's already dead or is GONNA be dead. One of them strangles her puts. A paintbrush entertainment and their daughters are John. It's making look like she'd been sexually assaulted. How incredibly dark doc is that possibility? I mean I don't know what else you're supposed to infer from this as as when when they say that must have been staged. How could you put a paintbrush Russian? You're dead daughters vagina to cover up accidentally killing her corner took nail clipping from Jon Benet male. DNA was found under Jon Benet as right hand and female that does not match any of the Ramsey's addition male. DNA was found in Jonbenet's underwear did not match any of the Ramseys man DNA analysis will further muddy this shit up over the years as you will soon see finally the coroner's report notes injuries on the right side of Jon Benet facing left lower back. All defenders assert that these injuries are consistent with the use of a stun gun plaintiff notes from the investigation no that the coroner's report does not expressly state the injuries were the result of such instrument over Dr Michael Dourson forensic pathologist colleges retained by the Ramseys who examined the boulder corners autopsy report an autopsy photos concludes that the injuries to the right side of the face as well as the lower left back are patterned and injuries most consistent with the application of a stun gun in the sound this part of the intruder hypothe- some some creep came in there and started with a stun gun then did what he did. There's also a flashlight photograph sitting on the ramseys kitchen table that fit John as rectangular headwind fracture exactly some later point to this as the head trauma weapon air something else to think about why would a kidnapper strangled at the child who who's already already suffered deadly head trauma of a family member hit in the head why would they we also strangle her or make. She was strangled. If it really was an accident why couldn't you just be honest. Burke was nine if he accidentally killed a sister would really get now a trouble. I doubt it now with attorneys you the ones the family could afford told you in the more you look into this more confused should gets. Dan Lewis a free to clear my head Troth now. Let's make even more confusing. The autopsy also reveal vessel fruit material which may represent pineapple was Jon Benet had eaten a few hours before her death photographs of the home. Take on the day when Jonbenet's body were found do do show a bowl of pineapple pieces in milk on the kitchen table with a spoon however both John and Patsy said they did not remember putting the ball on the table or forever feeding the pineapple did Jon Benet the flips this fruit someone she knew sneak in wake her up take her to the kitchen for midnight snack. Would someone ever do that knowing that any time the parents could come downstairs and catch him. Please reported that they found Japanese nine year old brother Burke fingerprints on the bowl burke. You know help a little snack and then something happened after that. The ramseys have always maintained the burks led to the entire episode until he was awakened several hours after the police have arrived like the phone call Danielle makes it seem like this is not true. Why are they lying about burke? Why this seems to be a lot of lies around burke again at Burke kilter would nine year old follow up with a headwind was strangulation? I I don't think acute done that doesn't make sense to me. December thirtieth please take blood and hair samples from John Ramsey other members of the family John Andrew Ramsay and Belinda Ramsey Jon Benet adult half siblings were Georgia on the day of the murder or immediately limited suspects December thirty first six year old jonbenet buried at Saint James Episcopal Cemetery in Marietta Georgia the family including John and patsy allowed to travel to Atlanta for the funeral tragic less than a week if they were all celebrating Christmas the following day New Year's Day January I nineteen ninety-seven John and Patsy Ramsey and extensive interview to CNN which Patsy Ramsey proclaims there is a killer on the loose. John Ramsey calls the idea that he or other members of his family could've committed the crime nauseating beyond belief. This interview was done before the Boulder. Police could officially interview the two alone and the boulder police are beginning to further suspect the ramseys Ramsey's had something to do with this murder. Five detectives fly from Boulder to Atlanta to interview them now. Let's look at the CNN interview more. It didn't did not do them any favors with the court. Public opinion in one part of this National Interview Patsy Ramsey says we have to find out who did this. John Ramsey ads not because we're angry but we have to go on not the angry but what's your daughter was sexually assaulted and murdered in your home fucking week ago and you're not angry you robot you sociopaths. Does your best incapable of emotion like more. CEO's are sociopaths than the average person within a long time ago in sucked number four just very weird does not it's not a good look. The ramseys are asked. Are you fully convinced your daughter was kidnapped. Patsy starts to shake her head no and then John Jacobs had yes. She starts nodding yes as well then and then she says I it's. It's just hard to know but we are on our families loving family. It's a gentle family. Why would John You know give a yes answer? Do you know she wasn't kidnapped found her body in the home the concert by six. Am No kidnapper snug her body in his law enforcement continued to arrive and wha- what some can never snuck her in you know sometime after or snuck in sometime after ten pm got her out then brought her back. If what makes sense he wasn't kidnapped on January third Jonah Patsy Return Arne Colorado to jonbenet's funeral February thirteenth ninety-seven Boulder police chief. Tom Koby Bolder Boulder County district attorney Alex Hunter hold all the news conference where they vowed to kill will be brought to justice. Da Hunter that announces the formation as different please. You've mentioned earlier it. Was You know those along investigation ended up being several police chiefs part of it d hunter then announces the formation of an Expert Prosecution Task Force including Forensic Expert Henry Lee DNA expert Berry Shack back both Leeann check were part of the Oj Simpson defense team and the media aides issued up cases a subject of immense media coverage. The general consensus seems to be believed that the ramseys did it Jon Benet. Pageant experience seems to have been a major factor in coming to that belief media puns in the general public alike finding pageant lifestyle awed. Obviously I can't blame them. I mean let's say the Ramsey had nothing to do with her daughter's death and she was killed by some random pedophile tunnel a ton of articles about the case that I've read indicates that a lot of people thought that at the very lease dressing her up like they did turned her into a magnet for paedophiles turned like Pedo Bait and I don't totally disagree. I mean you sexualize your kid. I mean you. Are you know making them. More noticeable to fucking people are actually attracted to kids to someone who knew I heard from pageant world killer. That's another possibility that goes with the intruder theories March thirteenth ninety-seven veteran homicide detective loose smit joins the Ramsey murder investigation. Smith was a retired investigator from El Paso County best known for cracking the murder case of Heather Dawn Church in Colorado Springs headed down was not affected church. She was a thirteen year old girl killed by Derby named Robert Charles Brown a guy who like Otis tool and Henry Lucas ended up confessing to a whole bunch of other murders may or may not have committed African arrested April third nineteen ninety-seven. DNA testing begins at cellmark diagnostics labs Maryland this was the second round of DNA testing. The Jon Benet case initial round was conducted the Colorado Bureau Investigation Labs just two weeks later D. A. Alex Hunter for the first time publicly identified John and Patsy Ramsey is the primary focus of their investigation. Gosh Dang g workers to salad slipping. Get a neighbor twenty seven ninety six the ramseys funded newspaper AD offering a heart thousand dollar reward for Info about jonbenet's killer three days later April thirtieth the police conducted inducted long-awaited formal interviews with John and Patsy Ramsey more than four months at the Jon Benet found murdered not good patsies interrogated for six and a half hours johnny question. We're just two hours at the end. The police released no statement regarding the contents of those interviews. May I ninety seven John Patsy Ramsey in a rare interview with reporters declare their innocence. I I did not kill my daughter. John Ramsey States patsy says let me assure you that I did not kill Jon Benet on May Thirteenth Ninety seven. I detective to arrive at at the murder scene. Linda art aren't is dropped from the case. Why selena claims she was fired for criticizing her superiors for their handling of this case her superiors were say we'll say she was removed because she bungled the case on August fourteenth ninety-seven Jon Benet grisly autopsy details are released to the public on January Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety eight Jonah Patsy Ramsey refused to submit to another round of interviews unless they can review the evidence first a condition unacceptable to police to refuse does seem weird the whole refusing to come in and do the interviews does seem weird to me? It's never properly explained. Some sources say the boulder. PD bossy interviews not not demanding the them immediately because John was rich bigwigs. Local businessmen was military contractor die. Some sources seem to think that this is just what happens to give lots of money can hire good lawyers to do everything in their legal power to make it hard for police to investigate you. I do think if they were for sure innocent. Why not cooperate more police but again? If you have a lawyer reminding you that innocent people can do go to jail horrible crimes all the time even murder I also see whiteness and person would not cooperate January Sixteenth Governor Roy Romer Romer Roy Romer rejects request by two friends of the Ramsey family to appoint a special prosecutor in the murder case little bit of conflict of interest. They're your friend is suspected of murder and now you're gonNA try and get a prosecutor you like attached to the case January twenty nine ninety eight more than a year after Dada was murdered the ramseys turnover to police the clothing they were wearing the night. Johnny was found dead that that is so ridiculous to me which which I understood legal protocol more here. Why didn't they get too close week one? What is the point of getting them over a year later? I mean you can see what kind of detergent they've been using also. Wouldn't it be very easy just to buy new versions of the clothing you're wearing then. Give that to the police. I mean how the fuck with another difference a March twelve ninety eight at looking for the killer of jonbenet for fifty fifteen months police say the best bet for solving the murder a grand jury investigation and formerly called for such a probe after conferring with District Attorney Alex Hunter so what is a grand jury investigating. I've always been a little confused by that. I know we mentioned grand jury investigations of the Black Dahlia Suck. They were used to investigate. LAPD corruption also try and bring Dolly is suspect to trial but I never explained what a grand jury investigation is. It's pretty unique. According to wikipedia which provides you know provided the the best most understandable lame speak type definition. I could find a better than the legal sites found a grand jury is well a jury a group of citizens sends empowered by local bylaw to conduct legal proceedings and investigate potential criminal conduct and determine whether criminal charges should be brought a grand jury he may subpoena physical evidence of or a person to testify a grand jury is separate from the courts which do not preside over its functioning Liberia and the United States are the only two countries in the world that use grand juries like this type of trial basically the determines. If you're going to have a criminal trial unlike a regular trial there's no defense with a grand jury investigation only the prosecution trying to convince the jury that someone should be prosecuted at a criminal trial and when and why are these grand juries used without without you know hijacking this timeline further into an explanation of our entire criminal court system the simplest answer I've found is grand. Juries are used when the prosecution does not have enough evidence evidence to convince a judge that subject should be held to answer for crime so the Jon Benet case what happened was the boulder police department is having a hard time figuring out how to charge Jon Benet parents with her murder lot of members of the BP did they think that John and patsy maybe burke either. Did it has something to do with it but they just don't have enough evidence to get a judge to sign off on indictment so they decided to try for a grand jury hope they can convince them that. There's no evidence enough circumstantial evidence to bring them to trial. I think it's about as good as I can. Explain it. hopefully I got that right. Make things more complicated while most of the boulder. PD convince the RAMSEYS GUILT THEY WANNA call for grander investigation the DA's office does not think the RAMSEYS are involved. This was a big complicated part of this case the Boulder Police Department seem to consistently believe it was the Ramseys the district attorney's office seemed to consistently believed the intruder theory in May nineteen ninety eight loose-knit the detective hired by the DA's office presents his findings and bpd with other staff members of the DA's office concluding the that the evidence pointed away from the Ramseys however smitten his team were unable to successfully challenged enough members of the EP who did believe the Ramseys were guilty the DA's office ought to take control investigation due to animosity between the police and the DA's the office and the pressure to obtain a conviction Colorado Governor Roy Romer steps in names Michael Caine a special prosecutor to initiate a grand jury two of the lead investors in the the case had opposing views Smith and Steve Thomas Resign smid because he believes that the investigation headed incompetently overlooked the intruder is Thomas because the DA's office had interfered with and failed to support the police investigation of the case pointed that the Ramseys Steve Thomas resigned with the well publicized letter which said attempts to gather evidence for met with refusals and instead it was suggested that we ask permission from the ramseys before proceeding he thought the Ramseys had intimidated the DA's office office as the feud with the DA's office escalated the Boulder police accepted the aid of a Dream Team of three attorneys who offer to provide pro bono counsel in the case curiously one of the attorneys had served as outside cancel council. Excuse me to Lockheed Martin and several cases the second belong to affirm that also represented that accompany the third had been co-counsel with how hadn't John Ramsey's criminal attorney Carney in another matter right a little fishy who'd want the case too late various entities connected to the case had strong reasons for delaying a grand jury Investigation District Attorney Hunter whose office rarely went to trial and homicide cases was just one was not his comfort zone. This guy was not well liked at all by boulder. PD They seem to think he was pretty weak. Willed willed weak-minded Lockheed Martin. One of the largest employers would want to try delayed as well right this company's been trying to sell access graphics for awhile now to General Electric. You know any risks that the company's top executive would be facing possible indictment would not have helped the development plans all is now you have lawyers representing John Ramsey. WHO's employers can lose a lot of money if he's found guilty daughter? The trials delayed the delay was no damaging to the investigation further on several fronts leaks proliferated witnesses altered or stories stories or sold them to tabloids just keeps getting Messier on June twenty-fourth Nineteen Ninety eight John and Patsy Ramsey returned to Colorado interrogation by district attorney's investigators a reportedly questioned together and separately for the first time the prosecution conducts an extensive interview now with their son Burke who's eleven over a year and a half after Jon Benet died August August six hundred seventy eight in a sting eight-page resignation letter an angry detective Steve Thomas. One of the lead investigators says District Attorney Hunters Office is thoroughly compromised and that they've tripled the case. Thomas charged that critical evidence had been collected and maintained that other evidence wasn't even tested Colorado Governor Ray Rohner then asked four boulder the area. Da's whether or not he should intervene further in the case. It's huge mess August twelfth. Governor Romer says he wants to help the DA further now removing from the case he invokes a state statute that allows for special deputies Japanese to assist the DA cases headed for Grand Jury on August twentieth source until the Denver Post an enhanced version the nine one one call Patsy Ramsey made of the morning she found the ranch note includes includes burks voice. We talked about that. A grand jury convenes beginning September Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety eight to consider indicting the Ramseys for charges relating to the case five five months after they were chosen Boulder County grand juries beginner investigation then investigator loose Smith and resigns Santa Thorns. These are folks who have Leeann Jonbenet's parents his resignation letter. Liu says the RAMSEYS did not kill her daughter and a very dangerous killer is still out there October Thirteenth Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety eight grand jury begins here in forensic evidence including analysis of handwriting. DNA inherent fibers found at the scene seven days later on October twentieth. John Ramsey returns is to Colorado for deposition in civil case filed against him in the national enquirer by photographer Steven Miles who's a neighbor of the ramseys and one national enquirer article a statement attributed to John Ramsay speculates that the real murder was an intruder most likely a pedophile. We plan to suggest it was a neighbor Stephen Miles. John's attorney will argue the John said no such thing ninety nine the grand jury returned a true bill to charge the Ramseys with placing the child at risk in a way that led to her death and with obstructing the investigation of murder. This is an easier easier indictments than outright murder requires a lower burden of proof but Boulder County district attorney Alex Hunter does not prosecute. He believes he still doesn't have enough of evidence to prove them guilty beyond reasonable doubt in court something the Ramseys have literally paid. Da Hunter off the sniping fingerpointing between Boulder PD the dish attorney's Attorney's office intensifies some prosecutors believe detective too fixated on the parents as suspects failed to adequately explore other leads cops accused of being too chummy. You're intimidated by the Ramsey legal team after more than a year of hearings the proceedings have accomplished absolutely fucking nothing they look to be over on February Eighteenth Nineteen Ninety nine Lawrence Schiller's book perfect murder perfect town offers new insight and details into the investigation. This book describes the feud between police and prosecutors on April eight nine six months extension of the grand jury investigations granted proceedings seatings not over. They've decided to keep trying on May nineteenth ninety nine Birkenau twelve secretly questioned by the grand jury the next day boulder authorities publicly confirm arm. He's not a suspect but is witness. Fuck what a witness. What did he see the September thirteen ninety nine former detective? Linda aren't one of the first detectives on the Crime Crime Scene The day Jonbenet's body was found who by this time has resigned from the bpd appears on Good Morning America claiming she knows what happened. The Night Jonbenet was killed in a five five-part interview. She says she knows who killed a girl but will not reveal the name but he kind of does she makes I watched it. She makes it very clear without saying his name that she thinks that John Ramsey the father. I sure did it September twenty third nineteen ninety nine after a almost four months off the grand jury returns to Work October Thirteenth Ninety nine Alex announces after the grand jury has completed its work that his team still does not think they have sufficient evidence to warrant filing charges over three years later Mary lacy the next Boulder County district attorney takes over the investigation from the police on the six year anniversary of Jonbenet's death December twenty six two thousand and two in April two thousand three Lacey States Jonbenet's killing is more consistent with the theory that intruder murder Jon Benet then it was with the theory that Mrs Ramsay did back and forth it goes December two thousand three. DNA results muddy everything further forensic investigators extract enough enough material from a mixed blood sample found jonbenet's underwear underwear to establish the DNA profile that DNA belongs to an unknown male person investigators obviously hope that this is a big break in solving the case DNA was submitted to the F. B. is combined DNA index system database containing more than one point six million profiles doesn't you'll to match fast forward a couple of years later June twenty four two thousand six Patsy Ramsey dies after battling ovarian cancer off and on for more than a decade August fifteenth two thousand six John Mark John Mark Car a forty-one-year-old elementary school teacher confesses that he accidentally killed Jon Benet while attempting having to sexually assault her he's arrested in Thailand for a brief moment. It looks like Jonbenet's killer has been found nope the case against car collapses later that August. DNA NATE test results eliminate him as a suspect also he wasn't in boulder at the time of the murder more on this fucking nut job a little bit later July nine two thousand eight arm with new DNA evidence that points to an unknown male zombies killer Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy Public publicly exonerates the child's parents and immediate family in a letter hand delivered to John Ramsey. Lacey says she is confident that a touch DNA analysis done by private lab has determined the genetic material left on the way spend long Johns Jonbenet was wearing when her body was found matches. The DNA left in her underwear in the DNA blogs to an unknown suspect with no strong suspects remaining the case goes cold and October two thousand ten two cases reopened new interviews are conducted following a fresh inquiry by committee that included state and federal investigators gators police are expected to use more Jews newer. DNA technology this investigation there was no new information gleaned from those interviews according to ABC News it was reported in September temperature thousand sixteen to the investigation and Janis deaths continued to be an active homicide case for Boulder Police Chief Greg Testa September two thousand sixteen ECKSTEEN TV programs from a any Dr Phil dayline NBC CBS News Airs Jon Benet Specials in advance. The twentieth anniversary of Murder Boulder police chief Greg Testa says timber. I videotape statement that he won't do interviews about the case to maintain the investigations integrity he points out the department is processed. Fifteen hundred pieces of evidence has taken two hundred. DNA samples interviewed more than one thousand people in eight states investigated more than twenty thousand tips. NOT GONNA do any more interviews in October of two thousand sixteen eighteen forensic expert to examine the DNA test of tained exclusively by the daily camera and nine news dispute former Da. Mary Lacy's conclusion the DNA DNA profile found in one place on Giannis underpants and two locations that are long johns was the killers. This is where the fucking DNA thing is so crazy. The experts say the evidence showed the DNA samples came from at least two people in addition Jon Benet something Lacey's office was told but did she didn't mention when she cleared the ramseys and the experts also said that these DNA samples were of the kind that likely could have come from a long John Factory factory worker Sneeze Datta dammit right many female field that the Ramsey should have never been exonerated based on DNA testing right the results were misinterpreted looks like the DNA tests had nothing to do with the murder December thirteen thousand thousand sixteen boulder police and prosecutors plan a new round of DNA test that yield Jack Shit to this date. There are no new leads. The case remains remains unsolved variously analysts. Do all agree that the case will in all likelihood forever remain unsolved over still gonNA look at some suspects. 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The intruder theory goes something like this. Somebody was able to survey the family find a time when they weren't in the house. Get into the house when everyone to sleep they wrote a ransom letter took Jon Benet possibly using a stun gun to do her then took her down to the basement tighter up kilter still left the ransom note saying she was safe then they left through the window without disturbing a huge Wjr cobweb then never contacted anyone about the ransom. So you know makes a lot of sense this is the theory that loose Smith Vice One of the homicide detectives was hired by District Attorney Alex Hunter early investigation. He believes it's mostly because Jon Benet might have been sexually assaulted and dismiss Iraq irrevocably Gosh points to someone what else I the house but she might not have been sexually assaulted. There was no evidence of conventional rape. Although sexual assault could not be ruled out although seem was found there was evidence that there have been vaginal injury and the time the autopsied appeared vaginal area white cloth however fuck this is so confusing this case so my mother Dr Richard Krugman a specialist and child abuse brought in as a consultant by one hundred office says that there was a vaginal abrasion which is quote a sign of trauma not a sign of sexual abuse necessarily manning she could have fallen down could ran into something you know her. hothead brother could've kicked her in the in the junk. She might not have been sexually assaulted or maybe she was Dr. Cyril Wecht a well known forensic. Pathologist has no doubt that the forty five pound child had been molested saying if she had been taken to a hospital emergency room doctors had seen the general evidence evidence her father would have been arrested right fine. No one can agree on anything called. VPI The vaginal opening according to Dr Robert Kirshner of the University of Chicago's Pathology Department was twice the normal size for six year olds the genital injuries indicate penetration he says but probably not by peanuts and are evidence of molestation that night as well as previous molestation yeah. I'm not a doctor but it seems like Dr Cursor is reading a lot into vaginal opening especially since other doctors are divided on what happened there was also blood and urine stains on her underpants a considerable obstacle to the investigators according to one well play source and the DA's office was the fact that the crime scene in the body had had been cleaned up. Maybe that's what John Ramsey was doing. He was missing for an hour. Another piece of evidence pointing to an intruder is that there had been more than one hundred burglaries and the Ramsey's neighborhood in the months before John. Somebody's murder also there were thirty eight registered sex offenders living within a two mile radius of the Ramsey home crepes. Don't just live in neighborhoods like missing fingernails. They also also live in New Orleans. Living near neighborhoods like Chappaqua now. Let's look at one of these sex offenders and a few other suspects relating to the intruder theory one of the individuals that veteran homicide aside detector loose-knit identified as a suspect under his intruder theory Gary Howard Aletha or Allah who was arrested for two counts of attempted sexual sexual exploitation of a child and one count of Sexual Exploitation of exploitation of a child on June two thousand sixteen so it's the same charges whatever the house written this con- convicted pedophile have been living in the area on and off when police allegedly found a magazine cut out of Jon Benet Ramsey his back back after he was apprehended on drug charges in two thousand incre- he was soon released but suspicion remained. DNA DNA testing for the Damer cleared him but we know all the fucking problems the DNA testing he was charged with two counts of sexual exploitation of a child for possessing child pornography and check this out justice summer. This motherfucker currently imprisoned but due for parole next year allegedly allegedly confessed to accidentally killing the six year old in a series of letters sent to a former high school classmate. I never loved anyone like I did Jon Benet and yet I let her slip flip in her head bashed in half and I watched her die Aleve a wrote in a letter to his former classmate Michael Vale. It was an accident. Please believe me she was not like the other kids so creepy. Now like the other kids Google image search this living heard in human costume and he looks exactly like the kind of guy who writes that letter why did so many pedophile have long wispy hair and fucking mustaches. He looked so creepy that if you were a parent and you're willing to let this motherfucker watch your kids and that he then molested him the police should arrest you and the pedophile steady both the prison would you in for letting fuck Gary Wash my eight year old sounds fair and other letter to Vail deliver wrote or Gary Rhodes Net last names Jon Benet completely changed me and removed all evil from me just one look at her beautiful face for beautiful glowing skin and her her divine God body. I realized I was wrong to kill the kids yet by accident. She died. It was my fault her divine God body Jesus. That's why you don't put what sex sex up costumes fucking prayed around a catwalk because of the Gary of the world. That's it rose only wearing garbage bags starting tomorrow better yet you'll be garbage can like Oscar the grouch and Fridays loosen it up. She does the summer she won't have to. You know we're snowboots. Vaile said he suspected his old High School Buddy for twenty two years of killing Jon Benet ever since he received as a serving call from Gary shortly after the murder and before the case made national headlines Vail who lives in Ventura California until the Daily Mail my suspicions began when Gary called me late at night on December twenty six nineteen ninety-six he was sobbing and said I heard a little girl. I tried to get get more information out of him the only other thing he told me that he was in Boulder Colorado on December twenty seven to read the front page in my local newspaper girl six lane in Boulder Colorado. I immediately called the boulder older. PD told them what I knew about Gary and what he told me days earlier they didn't get back to me three months later. I called the police again to find out what was going on the investigation and Gary but instead I was sent to police answering Sandra machine said it for tips and the Jon Benet case. I let the message on the recorded line and again. I never heard back from investigators. Boulder police released a statement this year saying that you you know Levy Linda. It's I've no fucking idea to pronounce lever Oliver Oliver had previously confessed and investigators had looked into news claimed the Boulder Police Department is aware of Gary has investigators potential involvement this case including several previous confessions said the statement the Department routinely receives information on this investigation information provided to the police department is reviewed along with the many tips and theories who receive I looked into this Michael Vale guys well who settled us about Gary. He also looks like a total pedo. Why is he still friends with Gary over twenty years after Gary Basically told him he killed Jon Benet Fuck you Mike Valey piece of Shit Yours? Rely R- interfering with the murder investigation to try and get your face in some magazines or your longtime buddies with an admitted you know fucking child child abuser for pedophile another potential suspect according into Ollie Gray private investigator higher the Ramsey family who died in two thousand seventeen was an electrician named Michael Hill Goth who worked at a nearby auto salvage yard gray referred to as is a hell raiser tied to alleged property dispute involving the ramseys could that have served as possible motivation to seek revenge on the family and kidnapped Jon Benet speculated that once a twenty six year August caught wind that he could be a suspect in the case officials found a blueprint leisurely similar to his near the Ramsey home he committed suicide before anyone could get to him. His death occurred two days days after in one thousand nine hundred seven press conference announcing that the Boulder D. was zeroing in on a new suspect however hell remains cleared by you know both. DNA which again questionable the fact that he's dead as fuck seems a little extreme to get back at him for like a little. You know a money dispute properties what yeah I guess that stuff can't happen authorities. He's closing investigation said in two thousand sixteen helps Gary Leyva had been carefully investigated for many years and had not been considered suspects in two thousand the sixers you mentioned a former schoolteacher John Mark Karr confessed out of the blue to the strangulation of Jon Benet in graphic detail a car was arrested in Thailand where he'd lived on the Lam facing child porn charges and us us when he confessed he was immediately flown aboard requesting ultimately cleared after DNA failed to match the profile of an unknown male cars dementia confession involved a series of diary entries allegedly written didn't from the scene of the crime and dramatic account car recalled strangling Jon Benet in a love game gone wrong close. Your pretty eyes sweetheart reads the excerpt in which car repeatedly he'd leave. I who himself as DAX's DAX's loves you so much. Oh my God I love you Jon Benet am I love his eyes are slowly clothing and my lover's eyes are slowly closing. I know we shouldn't make it illegal to write creepy shit like that about wanting to have sex with dead kids. That'll be an assault on free speech but can we make it legal for parents to get to hit these people. It's hard to they want in the face at least one time for doing that a car you know his he was dismissed as a suspect altogether written Alpha's pedophile. You'll just wanted notoriety notoriety famous. He wasn't even in the area what happened just fuck another not a car believed to change his name. It is gender living somewhere as a free woman in the US named Delilah Alexis Reich new general same old creep suspect I feel sorry for was the Ramsey neighborhood Santa Claus bill mcreynolds who died in two thousand to the age of seventy you too friend of the Ramseys who dressed up Santa Claus the week before John but as murder to entertain the neighborhood children want patsies famous Christmas gatherings the possibility the now deceased McDonald's had anything to do Jon Benet death extremely unlikely but does get tossed around on the Internet lock a lot as far as suspect list after dues we've named He. He's the most suspected you know suspect under the intruder theory mcreynolds was rumored to have paid a little too much attention to Jon Benet going as far as to arrange a secret visit from Santa Claus on Christmas supposedly he'd chosen Jumba to be a special friend going as far as to bring a vial of glitter gifted to him by the six year old with him into heart surgery even stranger. He asked his wife to mix to build glitter with his ashes where he died. I mean it is a little bit odd. Twenty neighbor girl's glitter mixed in with your ashes that story generated buzz the Denver Post failed to amount to anything more than the Ah sensationalized characterised assignation of a friendly old man poor bastard should never said Shit about the glitter build us to have been a good guy. Bill was born in South Texas a few miles from the border. little town of Donna Texas nineteen thirty received a degree in journalism from the University of Texas served in the army return to his home amount mater time for five years before for moving to Minneapolis to attend the University of Minnesota where he earned his doctorate in American studies hired by Colorado University Journalism Department in Nineteen Sixty eight and then he and his wife Janna spent the next x thirty years in boulder raised three kids after his retirement from Colorado University Ninety two he volunteered a lot of time to be a children's Santa Claus he really took up to the role as a life goal Jena said after his death he loved being Senate he loved little children and then the Ramsey case destroyed that career and just devastated him he loved that little girl who was is a very sad thing in his life because he generally loved children. It was the happiest part of his life after be named suspect by the Court of public opinion for the social backlash that entailed key and Jen moved moved the left for Cape Cod nine hundred ninety eight mcreynolds never volunteered to be sent again instead he the grandfather of six volunteered at local senior center last view the last few years of his life before dying of a heart attack and poor bastard not all people who like to spend time with pedophile. It's important to remember that after my myself that sometimes comes after reading about all these dirtbags there are other even less credible suspects in the intruder theory too many dimension. Let's talk about one last creep Randall dewitt Simmons Randall dewitt Simmons is a piece of Shit. He is also a pageant photographer who took pictures or was who took pictures of Jon Benet six months before she died died and he was arrested earlier this year on Kiddie porn charges of course he was he liked little girls. All sexed up like hot kids dirty bird sixty-six-year-old sixty-six-year-old was arrested this past July second the tiny central Oregon town of Oakridge charged with fifteen counts of encouraging child sex abuse currently awaiting trial and Oregon in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight less than two years after Jonbenet's murder he was arrested for walking down the street naked and one of the first things he said two officers when he was arrested was. I didn't Kill Java so that's you know that's fun not suspicious at all despite all this. PD never considered him to be a serious suspect. They seem to put him in the nuttier than squirrels squirrels Shit crackpot list put him on that he was given a psychic val or cycle following one thousand nine hundred arrests so it's confession killers all over again man. What is it what these nuts confessing confessing the horse shit heinous stuff they didn't do some kids thrive on negative attention? I guess some grownups do to now's the family one last time I Pazzi Genie's mother other Patsy Ramsey took whatever secrets she was holding from that you know that more into the gray which he passed away after thirteen year battle with cancer the main murder theory with Patsy is that while she was cleaning up yet another one of John as Bedouin accidents now she flipped out slammed her little girl's head against the side of a hard blunt service like a bathtub in and then panicked like a stretch to me a big stretch but former detective Steve. Thomas thinks that Mrs Ramsay strangled her daughter in panic moment on Christmas night nineteen ninety-six for accidentally caused a serious wound two little girls head. He contends that the girl's father John Ramsey after realizing what happened chose to protect his wife rather than help authorities achieve also thinks the Apache wrote the note and Apache did Jon Benet. It's unlikely that she covered it up on her own right like you said everything from her husband. So that brings us of course to Papa John John was the one defined Johnny's body the one to ruin the crime scene he'll he he also if you'll recall reportedly disappeared for over an hour during the search for Jon Benet report rumors of a history of sexual abuse began to circulate almost immediately after the murder became sensational news story though no evidence was ever found to prove allegations John Address those rumors at a press a statement saying there is no history a person doesn't go throughout their lives as normal human being one night turned into a monster slaughter their daughter go to bed and get up an abnormal from there on that doesn't happen and to his his point no allegations any wrongdoing ever played this guy before or since three other daughters none of them ever alleged. Anything seems unlikely he molested Western again. She may not have even been molested. Analysis brother Burke Warner Spitz is the ninety three year old German American forensic pathologist who has worked on so many high profile cases including investigations into the assassination of JFK Martin Luther King he testified at the trials of Casey Anthony O. J. Simpson and he consulted on Jon Benet Homicide Investigation Investigation and his review of John as autopsy included finding a perfectly rectangle or defect that he suspected came from a blow to the little girl's head with a blunt the heavy flashlights seen in a photo on the kitchen counter and the crime scene photos he cleaned the flashlight fifty eight and a half inch Gash in her skull to perfection however no trace evidence of you know neither Jon Benet or Burke was founded the flashlight. The flashlight became more suspicious when tied to the pineapple scenario at theory. We talked about earlier. Maybe Burke gave her. Some little slice of pineapple is an late night snack like an argument stuck with flashlights in a moment of anger. No Oh kids do stupid shit why strangulation afterwards though why the possible vaginal penetration again they think that you know John or Patsy both have simulated related all of that to two point crime different direction many theories with burke revolve around Jon Benet irritating her brother Burke hitting around a rage and frustration. I mean he did have golf club. Instant years earlier could have gotten angry after strike assisted with the flashlight then ran and got in the parents who came and helped cover up. Yes I mean it is possible. Jon Benet seemed been alive when she was strangled. Oh so I mean that got man. You know what John Kills. His own daughter struggles to keep his nine year old son from getting caught but I guess there was the possible that she didn't appear to be alive that so many things and these aren't the only theories. There's also a bunch of conspiracy theories. Let's let's let's take a break from all this reality. Check in see what utter lunatics think happened on Today's idiots of the Internet take. We're GONNA bounce around for a second before looking at some comments under one video. Some people actually believe the Jon Benet. They never died. I mean it's necessarily or older. PD lovers theory they think she went into hiding then resurfaces pop star Katy. Perry is the real theory what the flip according this theory or or Katy Perry Song Wide Awake is believed to be an undercover message revealing the truth about her passes Jon Benet one of the manholes his theories that Katy Perry is six years older than Jon Benet the others for this one is kind of but but but not really a physical resemblance between Katy Perry and Jon Benet Ramsey as well as the kind of but not really assisting resemblance of both sets of parents. It's super dumb but some people believe it 'cause some people are idiots. One youtuber theorist went to great lengths to prove the similarities of their eyebrows rouse obviously means the same eyebrows different youtuber points out the lines and Katy Perry's autobiography. She wrote in reference to writing songs at an early age wjr not that I was one of those stage kids there was no Jon Benet Ramsey inside of me waiting to burst out. They think that's see she saying it's it's they don't understand fucking metaphors force analogies. got okay so another conspiracy is it the little dyed blonde haired girl was sacrificed in a satanic ritual of course course that shows up. There's all kinds of articles saying that a brotherhood term for devil is John Bet Excuse me which is quite similar to already unique first name but none of these articles seem to have sources who who is this Brotherhood probably just a term someone on Reddit when they're drunk and someone else riposted you know here we are another another satanic theory is that Jon Benet was killed in panic pedophile ring ritual nope move away from that one something aliens kilter really really paranoid and crazy people who think that aliens would hit her with a black object choker then right a weird ransom note that may make it look like maybe she'd been molested then move her body not call random then you get down this now. They're aliens. They have to make sure so complicated. No alien has ever been arrested that we know of ever you know are they're worried about covering the tracks also conspiracy variously links jonbenet's death with nine eleven year according to conspiracy the unharmed mind jonbenet was murdered by Royal Canadian Air Force Colonel Operating on behalf of major British and American corporations and the aluminum naughty because her father refused to assist America's enemies in planning nine eleven. Yes people believe grownups believed this people with more free time than me just like with the aliens why the fuck would trained assassins leave such a weird crime scene behind when I just have her disappear forever even in even arguably weird or theory. Is that some people some people think wolf killed her I want to repeat that some people believe their six-year was murdered by fucking Wolf Big Dog and and the boulder. PD couldn't figure that out an investigation involved. God knows how many officers dragged on for over twenty years did the wool shelter the wolf put on that little garage. You know the Wolf Change Your clothes the wolf right fucking note. How does the ransom note work into that good question? Stereo hold issues attacked by a wolf and her parents freaked out they can they get in trouble for not protecting their daughter from Wolf's offs because that's the thing so they covered up wolf murder by staging kidnapping anyone over the age of twelve who believes that should be sterilized forever not kidding Nelson the few youtube comments left under a video called program to kill Satanic Cover Part thirty-one Jon Benet case John and Patsy Ramsey here my favorite ever comments think tank supervisor Debra rhymer posts this reeks of multi generational M. K. Ultra mind control programming Lord helpless job De ed thanks for showing up multiple generations of people with their minds controlled by the CIA right all this training all this investment also a six year old can be killed a girl who oh you know could also just be run over if they wanted gun but nope this long complicated can lots of training mind-control weird shit takes decades kill. This kid obvious Ivy League sociology Professor Jerry Jeff I post trauma based mind control preparing her to become a Hollywood elite sex life and got out of hand. Maybe oh sure Jerry maybe or maybe you're fucking crazy. Hollywood elite sex slave won't hang corey feldman. You guys love each other. A mental member is to see post shadow government satanic cover up snuff film. CIA Christmas is a high blood sacrifice day. Thanks is to see you just really opened our eyes to your ability to throw at random conspiracy terms. I I can do that to to check us out right. I I see your terms arrays you agenda Twenty one Denver Airport Builder Burgers Bohemian Growth Flat Earth Wizards probably not even a troll Michelle Post. I am sure Hillary Clinton is a part of all of this. Oh man think about fun Michelle beat of hang out with if she actually believes Shit this stupid I love kills me the killary stuff what people believed the specific details they believe the shit like the Hillary Clinton who was the fucking can first lady in one thousand nine hundred six time away from White House duties to kill a six year old pageant contestant and bolder than higher body in the basement. You'd think someone may have noticed the first lady learn about the neighborhood. Maybe not she was in the White House in secret service agents never let her out of their consign public. You can get sterilizes well Michelle for sure forever any kids you have need to be taken from you. Finally an Kogi knee tow just gibberish ex post the word Burke as defined in the World World Book Dictionary from Nineteen Seventy four is to kill by suffocation or strangulation. The second definition is to conceal that actually is true true does that's true and the word coincidence means of remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent casual casual connection causal connection and the second definition of the word lunatic extremely further foolish or an eccentric person. That's you kid wasn't named Burke so he could grow up a strangle his sister you paranoid Fuck Waku. Stop a good job. Youtube sounds better with your life. The Dif- definition of the word flustered mush mouth struggles goes doing so well for half and then I got tripped up but I felt good I felt good. Just take a little break from the heaviness just just look into other maniacs scout here okay so final thoughts we likely we will never know who killed Jon Benet Ramsey. Now tons of books have been written by tons of people involves suspects detectives private investigators on and on and on and the one thing they all agree agree on his nothing. Maybe that's another reason cases fascinating for so long we meet sacks do not like unsolvable puzzles. We like answers case. It feels like there should be some answers but there aren't any nothing definitive if I was forced to pick I've thought a lot about this last week I would say the Jami was molested and then her brother did it. I would say say that it was an accident and at the parents freaked out and then decided to cover it up in a in a you know panicked attempt to protect their son. It doesn't make a lot of sense it does make the most sense we the patsy wrote the ransom note John Intentionally messed up the crime scene done the the body the throughout you know the investigators here's with various nonsense burke was not asleep no John and Patsy smart successful people maybe even in their shock you know and trying to pull themselves together to protect their Sonnen Donna these come up with his fucking convoluted plan once they start on that road. Maybe their word they'll be implicated as well now. They're going to suffer also I. I don't know I you think I had to pick. That's what happened. It seems to be the least ugly truth of anything that could have happened. As far as I can take you know accidental blow from her brother far better faith and some pervert breaking and terrifying Jon Benet before she died terrible for the parents of it is true you know key magid having two kids have one killed the other who for parents. Maybe that maybe that is the worst scenario than anything else I described to start this suck so recipe Shamanee Ramsey. I hope it was quick and painless. Whatever happened time now for top five takeaways time away number one child beauty pageants pageants are weird and gross to me? Hey you think your kid is cute. I get it but maybe just telling that maybe just tell them to give them healthy. self-esteem without dress them up like you know pedo Porn Stars number to the murder of the six year old beauty pageant winner Jon Benet will never be solved despite over a thousand pieces of evidence thousands of man hours investigating from the initial selling of the crime scene by Janis family and their a friend to the lack of concrete evidence to pin any one person to crime to know investigators seemingly being able to agree on anything in the death of several suspects. This mystery will remain a mystery number three. Why did the story becomes a popular? I America was captivated by the death of a pretty little girl because a lot of American meats acts worship beauty. We care more about pretty people than lady nets which maybe work on changing that bit number four if brother Burke didn't have anything to do with job as murder then besides her he's the biggest biggest victim and all of this his family thrown into the centering of a media shit show and he himself became a hated murder suspect at the age of nine in September of two thousand sixteen to honor the twentieth anniversary of Jon Benet Ramsey Death Burke Ramsey came forward even out of the public for a long time wanted to share his side of the story for the first time Dr Phil Ramsey poured out his heart Dr Phil describe the emotions he underwent saying I remember the viewing the casket was small. Her eyes were closed. I want to honor her memory by doing this interview. I don't want anyone else to forget. He also said in the interview that for the last twenty years I wanted to grow up like a normal kid which does not include going in front of TV. Cameras Curly Burke Ramsey's a computer analyst who works remotely from his home based office man. Maybe I was wrong about best case being burke actually killing her now hoping he didn't do it this case every day. I've researched it. I suspect Beck something else. fucking aliens okay this Aliens Lunardi Aliens. Maybe that's it number. Five New Info another theory has been popping up more and Moore's claims that the murder of Jon Benet is linked to the murders of two other little girls in Colorado and Hawaii retired police investigator James Benesch is of the belief that the murder of seven-year-old Tracy Murray Neef nineteen eighty-four and killing a four year old lacy ruff nineteen ninety-three have something to do with John as murder as far as the same killers. All the girls were between the ages ages a foreign seven reduction in similar fashion. He thinks they were killed by brothers Aaron Todd Sean Sean Sean Lau Areo Sean Lau when Tracy jean-yves was kidnapped to nine hundred eighty four members of the Sean Lau family were living close to tracey's house Thornton also they were living close to lacey rough when she was abducted and killed inqui- after Lacey's father discovered her body todd called. The police said his brother Aaron abducted sexually assaulted and killed lacy. Aaron was convicted for all of this life in prison so he couldn't have killed Oh Jon Benet he was in jail but Aaron had previously been in juvenile detention for sexual assaults that he allegedly committed as a minor in Jordan. which is you know very near Boulder and when former detective benesch spoke with the person Aaron had gone to juvenile detention for assaulting she alleged that it was actually someone else Sean How's relative who had assaulted her she'd been pressured to you say it was Aaron Benesch believe Erin conviction may now be called into question suspects? The actual culprit may be involved in the murder of Jon Benet. He thinks that culprit maybe the other brother taught Zombie can todd aired guy man so many fucking people in this thing was Zombie was found dead in nineteen. ninety-six is unclear whether Sean Lau family were based but in May that year you're a male member of the family was arrested for salt as well as for domestic violence at a county close to boulder this means. It's man could have you know been living in Jon Benet vicinity may one of the other relatives it came to visit him. It's a stretch I know the stretch I know but it's the latest the never ending Shicho list of suspects someone is. I'm sure considering writing another book about the Jon Benet Ramsey case away like I know way more than I did about this case before we started started but I also feel no closure. Oh my heck I don't flip and like it. Maybe someday our future robot overlords going to figure out what happened. 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That'll be fun different one next week. ooh It's got find out no surprised in the show GONNA stick with a would love to end on you time now for time. SUCKER UPDATES Times Mirror. I update is from Melissa. We're only GONNA do a few day because you got some. We have some big ones. Some whoppers thought this was a good one senate a few weeks ago some heartfelt food for Thought Melissa writes Dan I began listening to they had a great deal of time stationed at Fort Knox training over the summer. Thank you for your service. One of the other trainees enjoyed your show. I have as well maybe a little sick myself as I'm a the longer I'm in the military the more differences I've seen with people I'm writing today because you've mentioned several times the love you have your children how the time you have with them. After divorce gorsuch changed I hope you and your ex co parent well. We're lucky we were very amicable. It's half and half joint custody which is nice. Writing is a woman who is also a father's rights advocate. I Co parent well with my daughter's father and my husband's struggles to co parent with his ex and their seven year old and three year old daughters. He's a motivator for why I'm a member of the father's rights movement in in two soldiers I deployed with who committed suicide after losing everything in divorce battles including replaceable stuff but more importantly access to their children how not deadbeat not abusive not anything bad about these men that would prevent them from co-parenting the one thing that made them unfit parents was having a penis and this is typical in Alabama twenty two states thus far have passed equal parenting as standard unless one parent is deemed unsafe with criminal or drug history as it should be. I wanted to share a news story about a young man that fought for time with his child fought against the mothers. There's history of abuse and neglect how does young child die in the mother's care then have his rights of free speech stripped jailed for speaking out against judge. Thank you check that out too much to go into detail here today because we got a lot more of what you said to share here it varies by state and county by county takes five percent of each penny clipper child support most yet a father's pockets many fifty fifty parenting parenting plans include wave ARY include waving child support in favor of pain directly to childcare provisions at each parents home and one or both parent providing insurance splitting medical costs. Yes you know the exact thing you would do. If you're parenting under the same roof I think this leads less unwed pregnancies less babies meal tickets and if dads are not not only allowed but kind of push by society to be in babies lives at conception maybe less babies made until the man is really sure sorry can't can't account fulfill birth control but I know men who have had babies and made the statement that the state can't take more out of their check already do if these types of men are expected to provide half of the physical go care has the diapers half the waking up etc.. We not only create more well rounded children but we keep the maturity level of some parents down Alabama has tried to pass similar bills to the one Kentucky he just passed his share for shared custody as default it gets passed in the Senate but rejecting the house too much money the state would lose my husband planned both children and his marriage tried for babies attended the money loses all the federal government pay subsidies for stage collects known support order Scott. My husband planned both children in his marriage tried for babies attended doctor's visit Sheridan parenting responsibilities until the day his ex ask for divorce and her provision of care were met. He spent eighteen hours a week with two daughters that comes out to thirty nine days out of three hundred and sixty five a little more than ten point. Five percent gave mom the House no equity asked pays child support was made to feel every move he made was wrong and we'll be punished. We put six thousand dollars into a lawyer were able to get close to forty percent of the time but still not labeled as shared custody. MOM has default and veto rights we will go back to court annually until the youngest is nineteen asking for those rights the constitutional guaranteed rights rights. This should be a no brainer. I don't care if it causes one hundred thousand dollars. We're also lucky with our income. MOM is as well. Could you please talk on these points. Please point out to Casey Anthony's of the mother population. Yeah dads can be bad to the abuse at the hands of Stepdad's allowed to happen by women yet. Good dads pushed away so many songs come to mind father father of mine from ever clear all these daddy issues how many and the courts are fostering them. If you've ever seen the dad crying over his kids a hard military man with tears streaming down his face because of course tripped everything he fought for if you've ever seen a bitch ass mom who made the funeral of his into a circus and a pity party for her if you've ever seen a four four year old receive a folded flag not knowing her mom daddy away from him catching from able to provide a roof over his own head even working two jobs if you knew the feelings one of these these soldiers struggles with knowing other women are okay doing this to their kids fathers that I hope to hear podcastone supporting to good parents being in the military I can only lobby so much but I think if we could fix fix this one issue we can lower the overall rate of suicide in the military and a single young. Dad's kept out of their children's lives. Thank you suck master. Keep on suck and Melissa listen. Wow yeah thanks Melissa arena of so many great points. I mean that's such a big problem. Society Absentee Fathers and then the courts do in many cases foster that which is very unfortunate. Don't don't keep good dad's away from their kids. They should have equal rights. This is something you don't hear about a lot. In the push for equal rights equal parenting rights for father's equality needs used to work in every direction. The mothers are more important to their children than fathers is inherently sexist is wrong. I've seen some fathers far more maternal nurturing instincts than than some others should be case by case you know hearing loss of fathers rights connected to a military suicide is especially tragic support to good parents put the kids first and divorced forces well. I can proudly say the my ex and I both did that. A proudly swallowed a fair amount of pride in my divorce and did what was best for Kinda Monroe and I know a lot of other dads have been the same. Don't don't hurt your kids by trying to hurt your ex. It's about the most selfish fucking thing you can do in life helps. You hope someone who needs to hear this message does here. Thanks Melissa wouldn't have shared it if it wasn't for you. Keep keep fighting hail fucking Nimrod now that a lot of great updates about mormonism Mormons Non Mormons like Melissa most were very long detailed messages only time time for for one of those before we get to it quick Mormon update that answer something for me from Ryan Brewster who writes hello there in regards to Martin Harris taking the first draft of the translated plates it is believed when Martin took the pages to show his skeptical wife Lucy. She held the pages ransom and said if the gold plates are real and Joseph is really translating them he should be able to do it again word for word. This is why Joseph said he couldn't translate the same plates ever again and the translation changed so the pages may not have been lost lost but just kept away from Martin and Joseph's they may be lost now but I thought this detail was super interesting and worth mentioning Love The podcast Ryan Brewster. Wow That is interesting entity Ryan. I was confused about that part. I couldn't get the answer they want that makes so much more sense because how would it help Martin lose them. The super important papers now his wife token Tokyo wanted Joseph to recreate them so she could see if he was telling the truth and he didn't said God didn't want repeat story so either God gave a New Vision or you know he just knew that if if he tried to repeat initial prophecy be caught up in a lie very very interesting thank you for sharing that and finally a very nice update from some Mormon time suckers than spaces and and Longtime Standard Fans Caroline Park Mitchell who writes devout Mormons and we still love you you frigging heck spun mother trigger longtime listener. It's my first in writing in this topic seemed to import did not reach out some clarification for your most recent episodes my husband and I are devout members the church Jesus Christ latter-day Saints Mormons and we listened to your episode in Mormonism and you'll be pleased to know that we love you and time suck we will listen to your stand up from the beginning of your standup shows in Salt Lake City in the most recent lifetime suck we will continue to be loyal spaces as we have since day one of your thank you we also wanted to help clarify a few misconceptions nares and thank you for that as my favorite kind updates we were both raise mormon but my mom converted to the church when she was seventeen and is the only member of the church in her family so we understand that to other some of the stories of how the Church was founded can be hard to believe so we weren't offended by how hard you weren't Joseph Smith each person has to decide for themselves if they believe in we by no means plan to try and convince you you mentioned the episode around the nineteen forty seven minute mark that in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight when Spencer W Kimball received revelation to allow black men and boys to be ordained into the priesthood this is true but he also lifted a ban on women and girls being allowed to enter latter day saint temples that parties clarification although there may have been some restrictions on black women and girls going to the temple which of course is not fair. All of the women and girls have always. It's been allowed to go to the temple. This is especially true because the temple is where we get married also called sealed so it's absolutely necessary for women to be allowed in. I just want to clarify in case anyone had interpreted that as meaning all women have been excluded from tap services since that is certainly not the case the second point. No one can truly judge another person's worthiness but we definitely don't think you are a son of perdition perdition. Here's a good article explains what that truly means. The short version is sons of perdition are those who had assured perfect knowledge of the truth than voluntarily turned from it the first requirement Dan to become part of this group have been members of the LDS Church after that they would have to go have the truth revealed to them with such sureness and clarity that there would be no doubt out of their minds about the truthfulness of the Mormon Gospel so basically it's impossible for you to perdition because you never became a member of the Church and I assume you haven't had any visions or revelations that have made you absolutely certain the LDS church is true and decided to actively work against so hack yeah not being sent to Satan's outta realm. I like that part of the update a lot three I have to say I was disappointed by how you just glazed over the Hans Mill Mask around one twenty five. I appreciate you mentioned. It thought you would have at least comment on the terrible atrocities that occurred there. No matter what religion someone belongs to the they do not deserve to be murdered in cold blood after they surrendered how their bodies mutilated their wives assaulted their houses pillaged many accredited story states these tragedies more inflicted on Mormons that day on many of their cases saw start bothered me that you feel dimension that none of these men were ever investigated or prosecuted it despite there being eye witnesses and numerous council what happened this was made even worse by the fact that Missouri State government was so heavily involved persecution and violence against the Mormons. If you spend so much time I pointed out how silly some of these things we believe are should spend a few minutes expressing how wrong it is that anyone would suffer so much because their beliefs yes. I'm I'm doing that now part of that was it was just such a big topic to pull off a week that biggest episode yet I just I had to cut some narrative. Details weren't things that I was just I didn't have time to thoroughly the explore and that's one of them so yes not not intentional to whitewash it being settled also like to thank you for your kind words about Mormons. I'm glad that you've enjoyed your interaction with us. MHM Oh heck yes I have my husband and I truly believe that the best way to gauge the worth of any organization religious secular even the curious is by the good they do in the lives they live. I like that I did a lot sorry. This is a long just want to let you know that we appreciate you doing your very best to be impartial. You haven't offended all of us. You're loyal spaces caroline said like the last Oh oh Shit Carlin you correct me new it fucking. Ui Frick it up I flip it Carlin said like the last name of comedian George Carlin yes and Parker Mitchell so many messages. That's just like that. We're sending so many devout Mormons who listen to everything I said and are okay and we'll listen this week Kudos to you in my opinion is so admirable especially today when it feels like so how many people wanted to get outraged right and this would be something new be worse. I said this on the secret sauce last Thursday but I want to say it again here before leave. I applaud many of you Mormons for being able what's laugh your own religion especially those of you who are deeply faithful to takes a lot of strength and confidence a lot of courage. I think they'd be able to laugh ourselves. As very important life is so much fun for all all of us when we're all not offended all the time you know what if we lived in a world where we all joke and be reverend and talk things out learn about each other not get all bent out of shape over the opinion of someone else and and not have that knee jerk reaction of storm off taking our toys run home crying we here's something we don't like to agree with the not talk about it later. Our world is good very good. But how much better would it be. If that was the reality we lived in one we can disagree and get the heck and flip over it. My goodness Hail Eq- Mormons. Thank you for sending that in thanks time soccer ninety two now we all did. That's all for this week another other long one Dang it. I blame the script keeper two of US doing research together this too much shit. We could fuck in sucked into you. 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Russell Brand

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

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Russell Brand

"You know what do they mean it's bad anytime down this weird widdly made it home here's here's what's happening weirdos so excited that russell brand finally came on the podcast we had such a lovely chat a just a couple of things to plug up top one i'm doing a couple of stand up shows a hearing loss angeles july eighteenth an august twenty ninth are my next pete holmes living at largo shows they're always amazing the last one with me in bo burnham and taylor tomlinson and joe mandy a serious silberman zach galifianakis have done it recently giant has done recently they're always incredible 'em so good at largo dash l h dot com if you're gonna be in late july eighteenth august twenty ninth and also for my canadian weirdos i'm going to be in montreal the just for laughs festival fall festival july twenty fourth through the twenty eighth a so check the festival schedule for that and i'm gonna be doing stand up as well as they live you made it weird podcast i'm very excited about that i'm 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stoked this is russell brand jack amount if you haven't already he's he's he's got a lot of great stuff out there a i i went down there you to rabbit hole for about nine hours before this chat and a i i think we i think we might be pals now and i hope you guys enjoy listening to us becoming becoming friends all right enjoy get into it but i wouldn't have a tiny drink like pay selling habits are anyone have a real drain just moved here anything you're going yeah that'd be amazing injure kale and please just totally in the commercial break jeff you're on hanks impression is getting over saying it's welcome will cain is gonna go get are smoothies okay we order this movie is well welcome back to smoothie chat did you know i think you'd enjoy this i saw this thing i did the show with these scientists and they were talking about the reason why i laugh so hard at you laugh just son was because it seems so genuine like it registered is very genuine in in a little bit childlike in a good way and 'em i don't know if there is a bad shot like i guess it'd be proved junior hand 'em but they did this study how what do we measuring when we determined whether laugh is real and not an and it's the same with orgasms it's like this animal sound when you slow down the sound of a laugh like literally slowdown there audio it sounds like it sounds like noise that would be very polite to make you slow down a fake laugh and it sounds like it sounds fake same with an orgasm it's like if it's fake but if it's real it's sounds indistinguishable from a buffalo did you could share already why because what i guess but we've long suspected a as we speak the language becomes a tool of lying and deception oh they become the deacon human not slowed down the added as you just said the age articulate day's coming up during the law expressing my joy you were a natural law is a is visceral and premier league premium pretty linguistic sometimes i i'm like i know my little door she stopped defy lost now but she didn't fact lost cause she recognized and other people do fight lofton communities who day noticed that my nine month old daughter if you have a little judgmental column take laughs there now you feel they're manufactured factured lap manufactured for social apps yeah she's socially loving i do a bit where i take a toy and i bring it into her face real slow and i go and she loves you canoes on the road not in l a it's a lovely pet and she laughs kind of in anticipation of the way of saying like if there's subtitled over my baby you would say yeah which would be crew twice but we will never subtitle a baby but it wouldn't be daddy yeah i like this do this better so she learned that means yeah yeah yeah that's good it's good that they're communicating service and frankly that feeling good the all of our children land cyclops given the quality of materials we would depend on who sensical off the firm out children while sovereign household when they were in a house of yoga and a you've heard of laughter yoga yeah where they fake laugh until they laugh but something we do on this podcast thank you make it you get yeah and what's wrong with a fake laugh nothing released just people being kind is that i have a bit about that i said it's better than a quiet reminder that we all will one day die you need to say betting everyone just goes oh this machines yeah it's like one of the things that makes us human is that we go on joy that fight love lawfully it's like every slow it down and put four oh four other quite look middleton anyone who will listen is to try to understand the true nature of lost all i spoke to assign is to understand the true nature of lost as you remember name napa well a measure woman had a son he gave it a fascist paik right as she said in comedy comedy but i still don't think she belongs joke a dark i just letting everyone know you make it couldn't jump she said his breathing lobsters breathing and i suppose is we try to find the tendrils take us back to the people were pre civilized nation and they were mold and away while using a technological medium that people are listening to the technological finds that they're all balloons and benefits the civilized nation and technology but somehow we feel now more than ever now could hardly been lots of these little bit like a sort of suffocating carrot pasty civilizing time and just educating carry price like a skin looking at shell out of stuff you and it's nice to fill the threats back through time to a place where where there is will twenty lofta even if the results are decent tree and the beret killing of infant if they come across the week i'm talking about travel times while you're on the cameras yeah yeah because i had no idea that we provide you lies about pre invite comes prima if people on but like i said there are still vulnerable like oh yeah like i have a bit about that to go where i go yeah what start listening they stopped funding either both unrecorded that there's been some sort of come up from time to time and one of them is device stammer during a bit which happens i have a little bit of a save routine where i go notice that no one laugh like if you fuck up a joke if you go well they were determined tomatoes they wouldn't laugh i know it's sad stammering makes me valerie my wife knows that if they're stammering in a movie i just i can't handle it and they just yesterday was time i realized that this demos makes me feel like i loved the show i know it's it's very vulnerable i don't wanna condescend people but after but it britain for some reason i i think ties back to my childhood it breaks my heart to the change them it's because kids will tee that so in the bed i go that it's because were pack animals and i'm in alpha position i'm under lights and i have a loud voice that's what the microphone is and and brighter and taller than everybody everybody's arm and alpha and if i fucked up my words everyone does leave him he's slowing down the pack no one breed with this one and and everyone laughed because they know it's i think they know it's true 'cause you if you're gonna be if that gift king it's gonna be like what kind of go in that cave or gonna eat all the chicken we could find see if he goes like or or like fart now years data now yeah you're right about that up pressure to be an alpha wolf in a comedy club and respond with a microphone planning a ride on the chicken coop well needs that kind of hey man i watch you need special you're very alpha up there deliberately so i think you're playing if was i don't make let me reid too far into it but you're playing with the role of alpha 'cause you're being vulnerable oh wow thank you yet you're being very alpha like you're you're fucking aaron nola that okay i never thought that i would accusing you of like you're up there fucking the stool how medians i think that's really baser something i thought it was really funny that you showed how to properly thrust and that's also a very alpha thank what kind of spring will people and apple unspools useless to a man while i'm glad that sport man thank you thank you very much thank you in ways just punishment no insisting that the previous offer of of movies including due to i just sat there benefits maybe never food and now the law to punish me with a smoothie is not mine arrived here has been held up oh and i don't like what i'm looking at it's really explain to walk in shower and like almost every time i look in america's i never happened that way i'm away score and above it never was identified i remember the whole and i was young mazing things you were there all the time there is is not passenger is a part of us but it is almost like a stranger you could bump into in the street and not know it totally people say back in my hand the english tv in english tv show i'm gonna throw at a florida receivership will clean water act guy on right there in english tv show where people looking transgendered fills to see if they recognize their genitals and if they would like the night the person who's genitals by are looking at the i'm sort of defaced yes he faced literally yes of skills like they let the face of this could open a little dog i've not watched too much because i can't watch things stimulating lighting 'cause i'm to i'll be cooperating will win divino ruined my life so anyway that's like a little dog look at some understanding yeah i reckon that's just my partner dice all yeah i have sex with that person on the basis of those genital this is one of my early thoughts you have sisters no i never understood how you could have a sister i do now but when i was young i would like but if you couldn't see their head you'd be attracted to them like i didn't i couldn't get around that so why do i mean there has to be cultural rolls around to boot because otherwise you might be in mythologies light in wisconsin aggressions russians congress of that nature like warning of that very thing because of course it's sort of built in 'cause maybe it's i mean not luckily like you i don't have the best i never right being initiated but i think they learn a sophisticated like type of thinking boys were sisters girls with brothers learn a way of being like categorizing more sophisticated way i would like if if it's a vagina that's not my mother i'm good i didn't even have the mother coffee i i'll talk to me run i'm gonna get another so funny who has that it is somebody has been about i'm still very young like a catalog a bit i do know a lot of bits and now i know you're a bit like i have one of those memories i think it's funny i was saying the valley other day i was like i think it's funny sometimes people give me go for not listening and i was like i actually think the problem is worse than that i'm listening so hard it's almost uncomfortable you know what i mean like i can't casually watcher special like i'll i'll analyze they also said yeah i without even trying we're watching the preview it went previously on baskets were watching baskets and it showed a line and i was like in the previous episode the camera wasn't on him i got about eighty are no no it's not this isn't i hope is bragging now i like it i don't really give a bystander i've had it was more just like you gotta look at my own brand knows like yikes that's how watch television just watch the show i but also i like myself yeah i love you looked like amanullah likes himself as you've got knocked down smooth face referring stuff up only i wanna know something about what you just said that oh yeah no i think it's good that you're paying close attention to reality yeah receive in that way and i write anything wrong with that and then i could argue that way do you pay a lot of attention and then have to shut down for a why why would you wanna put out a lot of content it's hard to have you on the podcast because you've done so much and i don't wanna waste your time that that sounds like a big you've done so what i'm sure you've done really well what's the point achieved a little we are at all last year it all let here but it wasn't that fuzzy in fact i've actually noticed it you you have a lot of different modes and you throw it into a lower gear it seems deliberate and gone it seems great accented take that no cause especially when i get on spiritual stuff i'll go in here like i sometimes need somebody go like easy and i've i've watched you sort of learned to do that yourself yeah good but what i was gonna say was like it's hard to have you on because he put out so much content so i'd like to have a chat that if you love the lord is that right i just read the word lord on your arm and yeah i do love the lord you love the lord yeah i love the lord is a metaphor i think you love the lord is a metaphor nothing's is a mess for given the everything is a mess for possibly even the holographic frequency upon which we currently abide has america some degree gonna mail your rickel i have a bit here we are you must get this all the time do i do this it's funny i don't know if she's coming up today i'm gonna put this to rest so this is me putting a nickel in your jukebox but i wanna give you a fresh nickel so here it is i tried this on stage it didn't really work i go i think it's funny that i i believe in god as a metaphor but everything's a metaphor and i'm like i think it's funny that when people get a delayed flight they all start tweeting at delta and i heard a guy yelling delta always does this delta always does this to me i'm a medallion member and dumped always does this to me right now like don't like this is what we should be making fun of people for smoking weed in a dorm room like you believe in downtown like be analogy is a group of planes a fleet of planes thousands of employees thousands of buildings things are like a thing we are like one thing we called delta the metaphor is those things are delta and people believe in delta they're mad at delta it's a pattern of energy it's repetition thing do i'm like if you're nickel you could even emerging lighting delta they reaffirmed failed to extent you downtown right 'cause i know you there yes that's right yeah you're quite right that's beautiful and also the people unwilling to recognize metaphors over five continually happening in the quotidian h g the puck chase of ideal airline ticket is this represents travel like wait a minute don't talk talk banging a metaphor against the focus of metaphors metaphorically doing what you wanna do for you that's hilarious so this is the lord we love is that the lord you love yeah because it's worth less than be own language and to your earlier point that there is a prior to the advent of language more wonderful tool it is they must have been communicative method that necessarily more pure because they less field to the loft there is closer to breezing than language once we delve into this of the meeting a lot of stuff that lately is talking about the the the problems in heroin within languishing in so many of valid disease in much of house of sense of alienation may come from the the limitations of language the common phrase on things there are woods for being set and and how beautifully ising your reality where the choices made available to you it's wonderful these one of these words and of course we should be a little bit stab this mystery has been shoved into the plato fund set of language yeah we should all be a little the spartan we should be more like i say mosques things like how unconscious acceptance that come plumber of ideas administer tiptoes branding airplane parts and ivy ational expertise can be cold delta todd my question number drove to this is not like the like the personify we have to objectify and that's the problem i think of abiding primarily on the material planes certainly for me a has a tendency to be primal has a tendency to care too much about what people think of me get attached to green drinks and validation if i don't have a relationship with the invisible no material world as expanding pretty pot is material in some sense props consciousness had energy wise i can't begin to appreciate but i mean to safety invisible inaccessible interior world and how that may relate to an extent a world and indeed your intent i have have some relationship with that could not because i've done fund the world of commonality insects checks and appetizers appealing but because i find appealing the dow's made the outer loop to be to be guard if god's not my god then they'll is my goat right and you oh my god i'm like that's terrifying possibility i mean we just met or the next by the five and well yesterday were you were talking about brilliant you're also talking about 'em how the language using something about how we need language but maybe we had when we were primitive it was maybe more pure did i hear something about that in there when i was a kid i used to one that's effects of progressive humanity could be that we mainly externalised materialized phenomena innately accessible testable previously like in the telecommunications instead of telepathy transport instead of telekinesis if somehow maybe perhaps you know if there is one this in an ever expanding universe if there is one this somehow throughout that one the different means methods were accessible to us like i now we've technological five those things right that's what chriswell said did you watch that singular documentary or good god exists and he's not yet and he's talking about putting technology in flowers hours he's he's being kind of preposterous perfect i think we saying he's like going to put why fi in everything and everything's gonna be looking at itself and recording itself and he's talking about a very ancient idea but he's sort of its ten isn't haunches penn psyches in reid reinventing itself brown from me right yeah so what you what you just said that it's like it's the thing playing the same game over and over so we had up and then we play it again have it again if you have a light judge campbell analyzing like i say some vited text that i'm not educated enough to precisely cool but how that pros the process of communication where the fruit all or language sometimes congress die of connection that goes beyond what it should rationally in practically begin to do everything about this diving bowl like literally that's a whole like animal the boy died it again in sees the go there under the water and the two of them connect and and she says a every time like these things that were on the border of that doesn't make sense it makes you feel guilty and was like it's not happening every time they slept we continually existing through time manifesting instant she eighteenth then the deteriorating anti generating income in like a tidal breed of in and out around and it's built into year cycle into you're physiology given tech you know the whole thing is in in an out in in in out an unseen motor behind all being buried in are chapters why were obsessed with the heart is a metaphor unseen power of everything we have nothing to do with a wicked and this is why they american corporation is so fucked is because there's it's all in it has to grow every year so unless there's but we know on a prime a level that it's not natural that would be a good a installation i think wouldn't you like to see like someone come at a video of hiding in the cop they x house just continually in how you would see minority leader finally now we found the proper expression of such as they are but you're saying in and in the bore and joseph cambell the first time the guest is brought up just before well i suppose there's light that 'em you know how one of the functions of all i'm religion committed take us as far as we can because i was lightning at the site of the work of france who spike and i'm thinking in particular another loads about fronted by but they they are part of the paint on finds his bike and like these pictures he doesn't the pope in this cage and these puppies screaming and when i saw it in australia an expiration of a cult that he is captured somehow in pain in thailand texture the feeling of when you wake up a free i am and you think like oh god i can't click on kobe makes all the ailing the feeling i have is in my consciousness the feeling is in my consciousness he transmit consciousness and likely could they wouldn't be happy with the work we've done and he said yeah like they have a news that sometimes you reach something you paying for another eight actual i mean you're right and if if that's actually why perhaps there's no out the marriott that we can bring to it and i love but romans had that we can bring to evident that is at least why main right or wrong that's when i took psychedelic once and i was like oh that's why people pain things is because we're all stuck in these things and we go when i look at a house it looks like that so i'm gonna paint and go is that what you're you're seeing as well or someone screaming no and that's why bombing hurts so bad man right and never came back and i'm like the kids were down and be audience laughing are brains are selves communicate to us with metaphors your dreams are you're you're talking about that painting of a pope in a cage and i'm like of course yes i mean we we dismiss sort of trans rational non rational or beyond rational stuff this symbols yes and it's how we communicate with selves and we sort of get it you wake up and you're different he will what all wearing a psychedelic clearing irrational will there's no such thing as ghost there's no such thing as aliens of course we have to monetize and leaving economies but couldn't be goven then measured in this way and yet every not every single one of us disappears magical carousel personal mysolar trade is my dad right right well the the country's now she's doing shit that they make sense every fucking die after duties on disengage from century they offer a fucking minute i'm on a different reality floods in right you know like i am in what is that drive to create reality it's you know what i'm saying what splits one selling to to what is the drive the brain is like even at rest i'd like to create wondering if shots yeah but if i don't pay my i don't turn my computer on and it's like what i've been writing made while you were gone amazing spreadsheets spreads let me draw a kitchen basically what it wants to create the brain wants to create these like i think what were both enjoying right now are these foregone conclusion these assumptions that of course life wants to create more life you know what i'm saying of course the brain wants to create realities you know what i'm saying that but that fundamental tick tick tick tick tick behind the whole thing is the metaphor for the more that i love you had left that little to learn the business ongoing policies of is this this thing already knows you might like this thing i read code robot limes by centuries them in which he postulates a better than i'm able to rent day here that we are creating reality as we perceive him the rules of physics create just the right conditions for life and that is broad and like i'm being productive it to make it seem kind of dumb but the i liked is when he said even assumptions we have about space and time are likely an expression of out particular an individualized experience of reality and then he broke down the nature of time saying the what we experienced this time it's entropy entropy there's no limit listen a ton of university you can't go a year die a second the moment in fact even need to do that is only because of expiry wine human life if we were in the universe is how we count to ten 'cause we have ten fingers brian every developed time because we're decaying yes if we don't know time well on that it wasn't cereal shit town on npr they were talking about like time the guy bill clocks and you're like why did we build a clock like where did we get the idea of rhythm i don't think he went there but it's like it's heartbeat you're heartbeat goes to to to to end from somewhere in there we get sixty because it had to be a multiple time 'cause we have ten of ten of these little he came out of our ears the ball so index finger the bit of an outsider well there's a coup others better to of course you gotta give you the thing is ever got some kind of you know casey offensive to be pointing it out or the index finger does have in sort of vital canal assistive anatomy index finger like you know like for particular kunda leany middle wagner case like you don't don't use that fingerpointing people literally is obviously is ego fingering ever does that that the thumbs up from data from south central potency to it i miss remembering the you get there i know i do i totally get it i have you ever middle finger route e f t it's a tapping techni oh yeah that kind of what i hypnotize wrapping so unusual but we've tat tat tat tablets tabby it's i dunno hypnosis i've never end but you have to skip the ring finger 'cause it's linked to you're hard and it's bad fear hey it's it's there you go like that while you unpack trauma yeah yeah i mean i hear yourself it's fun kind of mantras kind enough to hypnotize me out being in love with someone crews inconvenient who is a wonderful fellow pull mckenna he you're in love with fall well now but not someone else working on looted like you were saying you were in love with by doesn't matter who does she call it helps you with a romantic love i'm they've got this romantic love and i said poise distracting and post at the pool hip hypnotize me out begin love some of the techniques mass amy roth rudimentary i imagined her head on the dog's body really i mean i liked that that fundings one time i was trying to break up of somebody who is very difficult to break up wealth and i i'm not proud of this but it's hard for me to find things having admitted on this podcast already so here we are i pictured for like ten minutes just leaving her off a cliff not the killer but just to kind of get rid of her and felt very good like i had ron hurst in my mind that's been cod before i got we will cut in half gone he couldn't he popped captial and then a little caption off into limitless spice yes more loving just nate and then more gentle yeah give her vr helmet you don't even know where you're like yeah we might be in that town house we've broken someone's how we being propelled through space in the captial i mean or were dying in where remembering her live that's my favorite dishes the memory and you know when they say you're brain lives were seven minutes after you die anyway i would prefer that 'cause then you know i'm a very emotional chap tell me everything well well about kids african isn't it i love them so much power over me and implants so that happened a lot of attachment lot of attachment to little kids i mean i'm trying this every day by day abrupt strike but there you to right i mean you know that nfl nothing you have been taught to extremely difficult but i don't even mean to like well i mean is saying that one in particular she's sorry didn't mean to do the voice but they're not but i went on any one of these conjecture about what reality might be robbed within the sort of chronological version of life but we ashamed to be the general understood consensus but we presume we have in this today a none of them are really anymore a mock willow miraculous all day in and i suppose much of that stuff about being in the present and publish a producer matt stuff as i am like he's like when you start labeling when you stop categorizing chronicling and placing in nicorette taxonomy there's this sort of all some overwhelming beauty continually what that person i say that all the time they say be here now obviously but i it took me a long time to figure out why be here now and it's because when you're here now and not thinking in separating and labeling and judging you can as you said i wrote down 'em infinite force they infinite creative force behind and threw everything they moved through me that idea right so instead of talking about it experiencing it right a little bit scary to think why is it scary and 'cause we die when we do that here's a great quote you're gonna love this i'm gonna say over the moment before you know it shared as i believe it was moved you said 'em given the choice between the destination in the journey the ego will always choose the journey because the destination it burns up so even as i'm talking to you when i you know it's easy to do with you i forget pete mess i can't forget al amos forget america in this country patterson us and just be here with you and what's frightening about that is everything goes away you know what i'm saying we lose the brain really wants to cleaning it'll rebelling kickout and insist that it's real the ego is real because it's it's death that's why i think it's so funny that spirituality is popular were selling death death hardcore nothing you think israelis real but trust us it's better on the other side it's tough when his name just tough product to push did you like that quote yeah i do i do like it's a lovely quote i love new g i did like meditation to move to just on the cheap he's great on it english i think jamaican i believe is he yeah he's got a little bit of i think we did steal to make her at one point so do i do think jamaican visa holiday safety i eat we talk anyway i was africa and i was like why do you guys take t o a table comic country not and that gave us think oh my god tree fruity 'em well yeah you wanna be like when he added the question not so i gotta say with worthy question you are living question pete's you surely come to realize that now you're great big doff lovable into real good shape is hell i am i wish i could not go myself well i'll show you a technique i'm like the thing with the selling day it wouldn't be effective if the if they're not already be interpreted interpretive mechanism present in the recipient i think people already know that it's right off the picture tv show skews me i i wanna talk about they a executives was not just death 'cause about i do sometimes bring that maybe don't what is it amy spirituality the general i wasn't i mean no it was a passing 'cause she had i had i had a quote about that have a colorado colorado and kathleen the names of and they were really nice people but it seems to me that this sort of now autumn nicer releasing a very particular place in a very particular class but it seems to me but people are interested in talking about these things yes that is a great there's a great freedom and letting go of that 'cause i think you know that's the next level of the death as do it just don't be attached to it right yeah so you don't really it's really way better than anybody who like that that her into this that are able to practice the participation in the material teary load without incumbent attachment that a bit scary you wanna talk about breath in and out i mean with me just me personally it's it's constantly in a day yeah like i'll be that maybe thirty percent of the day and then seventy percent i won't be that'll be totally lost but then other days are better you sometimes feel like i feel like he's really in that shouldn't have been a pair of racket closing seabed flow i should have been a monk like you know that's what would see me relay yeah i quickly this could be self serving i quickly go to you're getting that stuff out in a way way way way never before seen and very effective an exciting way i get really jazzed if you watched there's a youtuber compilation i've watched many times actually it's called russell brand awake and being or something yeah i remember when i wrote that a russell brand awaken being unfair tax that'd be a very self said i wouldn't i wouldn't oh you didn't uploaded but i wondered if you ever saw i have 'cause that night with zeke and i think vegan a pop call people really i think so i think one of something once a vegan popcorn when i go to three of four week otherwise a beacon park cars pay i'm not fucking livia 'cause you don't wanna waste one foot on a car and jump over a turkey sandwich but i wanna tell you declined meat dairy you wanna sleep over it i matt now yeah she fucking forget gio and yes and i told me about that away commanding so i do know about it and then it really good in a moment of this we've lost the compliment though is that you're like you're down with the one that's man like i'm having i have a really hard time i wonder if you do too so here comes the question i really hard time finding even in l a's land of the new most people will go up to the wall but very few people go over the wall and i'm not even claiming like man i'm just saying they won't even imagined the possibility that there at do you know what i'm saying yes i do know is saying slowdown out loud that's real that's great big game how come we condemn any one individually for indoctrination is occurring culturally in like we can't kamli is like these and i think as compassion that we should food selves and wanna not the first year that is embedded in now is off the very off this but we're looking at the world where it's probably easier tonight on the middle you'll laugh when i think about the dramas if my family of urging ordinary though they were that it's hard for me to have a well i wonder sometimes why is there so much hate in the relationship with my mother probably because of that vagina obsession on october first two minutes overall department enrolled on that surely you've you've already run it down i was at my mom my dad is precisely because why you know the construction we like moody moody says you are more than just a vessel for come set they said i you know the people start dropping stuff into us conception to us before and i'm aware of it were doing it in my kids like oh my god i'm training them now for my inconvenience i'm training them to not be in the presence i'm training and look at the screen training to eat sugar i'm doing all these things i'm so fundamentally opposed to well you know i think that like you know it's easier to another level of family that the reason it's like maybe malta used a a slightly afraid what triggering to be around you're mother and father and why so seems to you is because they give you that you're looking at them we is is it's not actually you when i think of trying to get over jealousy or trying to get over drug addiction and turn the gathering adequacy an insecurity is not i need to get over insecurities back need to get over the thing the even feels insecurity now communication with the yes whippy insecure very belief that there is a shelf nothing that you're saying about the death is a beautiful and blissful thing and there's a wiccan stein quote if you are a ton early in the present then you if you're continually in the prison then you leaving a tendency living nintendo now the reason that this is a millionaire now journey started when he died private attorney where else could be but in the beginning and we all agree on that the mystic like stories feel it but everyone agrees i know there's different series on which way infinity goes and how the universe is there over lane on each other and i i can't explain those things but we all typically agree the concept of infinity and that's fucking great i love that i heard you say that all of religion and spirituality in love is is about union and i was like fucking hey right that's why i get so excited when i hear science talking about the same thing i'm talking about just with data with data and photographs and experiments and stuff and i'm like yes let's find that common ground 'cause we were talking about fucking infinity were talking about the miracle or the or the phenomenon of consciousness that's what i wanna put you was i say it on this podcast probably every week which is saint francis said what you're looking for is what you're looking wins it still saying that what you're trying to save us from his trust in nailed roskill today he said it better may now i the way we talk so i'm gonna fly on his show would have been annoyed and i would rather have a ferret with them and folks oh get them out you told me i forget fred none more ferrets i love my phone you're i know is i if i read this book what's your point i read this book on a corner and physics is a children's book so i'd be threatened by featuring what is it what many drawings mostly joy yeah of quantum physics i suppose you could understand it cruise to costa rica anyway poppies robert arise re post pick last time tastic a a pump pasta eight it was like taking away the vegas nights surveys no i think he's probably very good book and i certainly bloody enjoyed reading i mean right now understand things because i'm fighting extra job would you believe these induced 'em believed that a the the world rested on four elements resting on the back of a title in a code by nike nissan tile and i said like by the bill sarcastic rather vitus probably saying it's almost as if they're all full powerful based like elephants like these other you haven't been around me what i like its own a tough owes back paul hard pops off julie stick instead of could bust up and i'm tired of living right so unlike in how chromosomes looking how dna looked like well i suppose the wall in fires me one of many things i inspires me about the spiritual power and that is that they seem to be like you're saying things like yeah exactly it's your point things are being revealed in the language of materialism rationalism fruit science and i'm very grateful for that language and very grateful to them for their endeavor increases the fury scientists listing now snapping a pen so yeah that microphone say that some people thousands and thousands of years ago were somehow discovering this year a very good example is the mindfulness from this phenomena mindful hey you could extracted from its theology hey guess what you meditate all the time you high blood pressure anxiety brain look we show you through these scandal these things will be improved by mindful practicing meditation well guess what all the people have come up with this shit they never had those guys they somehow new intuitive remains off of the material maine's i knew do you think there's anything else in those books the mafia value to us and like they're making the you know the eight takes you to be age of language republics reefer images briefings things we understand simple to me cannibalistic language combined throughout the world is sort of like this consciousness you saw like this like a bull diving into the pool sita that's every time kombi understood it can't be held in our consciousness like the end as he's being discovered in the currently in quantum physics is what will this doesn't make sense we can't understand my yes exactly exactly i just can't be understood company held within these limits the eventually the limit listen it's going to impede panella limitations limited consciousness eventually it's gonna you're gonna will because of limitation and you're gonna require fight is not gonna be able to be understood and if we build our world and our systems entirely on rationalism they will always speed limit teach systems that are biased towards i would say you know individually the materialism consumerism capitalism all these things come about because we have not invite eight the mystery to participate in the way we organize a site even though not off the not be disappearing drains even though all of us recognize what love is the most important thing in life that we would do irrational things in hoppy if it was if we were called upon to i i was thinking so many things when you were speaking first of all there which is great and i loved it giggling viglen granddad a why would live and give like i wonder if he cares said i thought that was okay good 'cause i actually noticed that you were giving me a lot of approval and i thought that was really beautiful furniture for were not great at that you know what i mean i i hear it comes i have another bit i'm like why we just give each other what we want understand like we withhold yeah we know what people while you're trying to make me so i'm always struck sometimes i laugh at myself tangled somebody does is often try make my 'cause i'm always like the subtext of things i'm saying that no actual text that bryson but the celtics again pretty hard shalva it's really out of me all i needed and i and i'm electronic a pat on the back for i know unlike many line related to each other well hey will manipulate people do a new manipulate person wants uber's very good and the white like me i see what people trying to get me to i try not to is it much anymore because i think i wanna be kind but like in the public buses trying to get me to get approval i'll know each of us three deeply about the approval that neighbor who is for shades darker you just come back from vacation who is what's he what's that what is he wants he came up to me and he said did you get some sun he said to me a man that looked another race you would so dark to me who had not gotten any sign of i got you say i would say no way you did but instead of on the subject and i look back to that team that just go just go nobody you did that that must have been amazing good for you but it certainly when you're puppet later because we use which strap states even on the same level female is tight lipped above them in but anyway by the bedroom get up to you i think climbed up onto the tiles lump sum tara cultural the paul braun i the other thing i was when you were talking with carl y'all guy say this all the time because young says it's not ideas are worth the changes it symbol the changes obviously i mean that sounds that's the most young in thing that's ever been says one is from that read books young right become holding up my index finger had that some they couldn't bellini sharpen in in uman's read the book where this off type poker face illustrations in it like a lead they have like a well in this case they set up an emerging from it killed a coordinated care kunda leany seven the energy is if they opt demand the sexual and crave driving the primal drive can go right they owed reptile pot spinal cord concurrent night that seth and so that is literally simple this many people if i've had some terrible feedback one snake dragging a half back avalon just tampon tampon but i think the you know that is literally drawn by call young young enrico great by the way i've that brought home and holding down the quiet peddling piano a very heavy but it's been building itself is holding down the quad pedal and you'll piano you would love that i'm sure so you get it that you believe in it and it changes you day minding yeah nobody ashley grade hut like a like king pointer finger yeah that's to some of my best pointing out that god is right there of course the columbus vacation is abrasive but like that book keith paint it like he's trying to draw well it looks like of the division is sal six and like it's it's about giving away that's my language and i suppose that's the point of known linguistic communication i really admire young just that he was quiet enough to go like an old man to i look at how closed old people tend to be and he's like nope every night i belong in my dreams and he yanked things back and then paint them and then how these incredible revelation mike we could all be doing that but instead you i mean where do you get it's hard to have the will be that adventurous with their own consciousness decision in i suppose like i said to my wife the other day we being conscious enough of the way we're raising these children they say don't travel in neo drops they owed rest of the safest way to some sort of put it saying but sometimes i feel the power of this being laid out for us as parents the things i find myself reaching for i don't even just mean the triton dreadful cliches scolding or wherever forever but that when not taking enough time to acknowledge the say critter explained the mysteries and i mean it's a two year old and a one year old they face he said like you know there's a little time but it's making me question my you know my life and my existence i mean here we look at where we are i mean at least yoka say that i but we're in an eye shank why don't we start the commune tomorrow when we sat this text less money list society tomorrow why don't we liberate out brothers and sisters well that last one makes my my my point my response not as good because we should be working in fighting for be oppressed but the other part is that you do like jesus himself he says yeah crackle developing the paul start worrying all the time yeah that's right last year first point vallon vallon i always like where like let's move the oh hi what's by by house comes from that yeah okay yeah but i don't know why should we become joined man is introducing a new joined may has beaten ross we we're running painting own i will insist on that pronounciation tangs very ali g you know if i may or irish could orland 'em things twinkies is my goto for doubling listen 'em but we were like this is so high you know what i mean like were in high what i'm sa