35 Burst results for "Finals Mvp"
"finals mvp" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Take a break. We'll finish the draft. All right, let's finish this really quick. I have the 7th pick. I'm going to take Steph Curry. I think this is the right territory to take a Golden State. Good value. I have no idea if Steph's going to be a 100% for the playoffs. I assume he'll be relatively close. And if they win, he will be the final zip because he's the best part in that team. I would say if they do get to the finals, I would just put, I would just throw a dime down on Jordan Poole, just to put a tiny one down because I could see him just going nuts and files. Oh my God, Jordan pulls averaging 30 a game in the finals. This is crazy. But curry would be the smartest pick. So I'm taking curry. Kevin Durant is still on the board. I know. I know. So I'm going to take him from you. Yeah. I had him next to. Because I knew you would take him next. I was on the fence about it because there's still one guy I want to take. I think it's the right time in the draft forum. I think we feel the same about Brooklyn ceiling, if Simmons isn't able to come back and give them some real minutes. I just don't think they're deep enough. I don't think they have enough size and I think you could give Durant Kyrie 65 points a game. And I think it would be still hard for them to win three playoff series in a row. So that's my case. I'm taking band night. Just best available heat guy. On the board. And I think he's a more realistic Finals MVP in a Phoenix series. The butler is because I think Phoenix would wear the living fuck out of butler in the series. Whereas bam, I.
"finals mvp" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"They've had a big playoff series against them in every decade. Philly round three and then Phoenix round four, the triple OT 1976 finals. One of the great games in the history of the week and Phoenix Boston, the rematch. So the ghost of the past could rise up four straight rounds. I wish you were still writing because ghosts of girlfriends pass Celtics playoff style is an amazing headline. I got the quotes. I'll do it tonight. I'm coming back. All right, you're up. You have the fourth pick. You just over McConaughey's face, superimposed on you. Just a little hair in the box. I don't know. We'll get a workshop on that. All right, so then that means I'll take Chris Paul. Sentimental, if the stats aren't overwhelming, the writers would love that stuff. Storyline stuff. Same thing as ego dollar getting the 2015 finals over Steph, which she shouldn't have. But I'll take Chris Paul, Phoenix factor. So I had him 5th and I had Luke of fourth, but now Luca is a strange calf. And I feel like I should stick with my initial list. That is it fair to change the list on short notice or should I stick with the list I made a half hour ago. Have you seen Kevin Costner in draft day? You got to be malleable, man. Yeah, that's fair. I had Chris 5th. I think it's a great pick. You're basically bucking the odds because what is it? If Phoenix wins the final 60 40 Booker versus Paul for finals, MVP, I would say. Something like that. 62 38, I don't know. Good pick. I think the draft drops off. You think you think there's a tier of the top four? I think we've just dropped because those are the three teams I like the most. Oh man, now I'm afraid to take Luca. Luca was like my big sleeper. I was all excited. You know, the road map with him. That looks bad. Yeah, that's in the great. The thing I liked about them was they had Utah round one and I think neither of us like Utah. I like them more than you do. The Mitchell fourth quarter stuff is pretty weird. The athletic had a big piece about it the other day. And it backed up kind of what I've seen.
Minus Giannis, Bucks lose to Toronto, ending win streak at 8
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Has Giannis Antetokounmpo Earned More Respect During NBA Finals?
"Of jaanus. We have a lot to talk about what it when it comes to the greek freak because he is just one win away from winning his first. Nba finals but the two time. Mvp still hasn't gotten total respect around the league from his peers. Just last year james harden. Instead of the honest. I wish i could just run and be seventeen. And just don't like that takes no skill at all. I had to actually learn how to play basketball and how to have skill. you know. i'll take that any day. Well chris paul just last week said of his finals opponent quote he comes down there. He dunks his dunks. You don't more than he shoots a layup. I don't know about this bullshit and has earned more respect during these finals for me. I don't respect him anymore. Any less than i did going into the final. Skip for me for a guy that everybody says that he can't do and he doesn't. I think the biggest thing is to make a long story short skip. He can't shoot the ball kevin durant. He's not flashy with handling the ball. Like daimler steph curry. He shoot the then. I saw back shoes. Like james harden. He's not as accomplished or if charismatic is lebron james football. A lot of guys can't can't can't can't he's a two time league. Mvp he's a defensive player of the year and he's on the cusp of winning title and being finals. Mvp that's a hell of a carpenter for a guy that got a lot of kids.
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"Overlooked all right. You've got a big heart. We know you want to put every wide receiver in some college wide on the top ten list. So we're gonna try to graphics issue. It's not it's not a you issue. it's just the graphics issue jumps out to me. Bran is pretty obvious ryan. Hails should feel really happy. I can make an argument that you know we talked about pass. Catchers mahomes should also be happy. Because he's got travis kelsey or travis kells. Perhaps we're not quite sure anti re kill on. We know that tannahill got julio in aj brown there and then also sort of like in the spec specter stiff. Arming people trying to get on the list. Like no dude. It's not a running backs was is derrick henry. How good do you think ryan tannehill perform going to be now that he has so many weapons. I'm so glad you you're highlighting that. This should be the most explosive offense in the national football league. Not in yards not in touchdowns but talking about unstoppable. They should be able to make plays whenever they want to. Why because they have often to line a really good offense line they have a run game the best running back in the game right now the toughest running back in the game right now. What does that mean. It's all about numbers. Okay if you wanna put eight in the box. Guess who julio jones on the backside eight brown of frontside so it's one on one baby now you've got to lean that safety rock and roll. Put that safety over to the why now you got. Julio jones and i could do whatever i want so ryan tannehill just got to look at the numbers and take the events if you wanna put a in a box and stop the run. That's fine we've got three rows we can beat you guys hear me talking about it over and over and over again they slant nonstopping back sold or go ball like that's all you gotta do and if you want to say you know what let me play cover to let me play coverage. Let me double. Now you're talking about the biggest holes with the best running back in a dc a really good offensive line. You can't stop these guys so ryan ten. Hey you have an excellent year. Just managing the system. Either yes it. Can we put that top backup. Because there's a lot of things. I want to discuss here but something while listening to you guys talk. Listen to brandon's top receivers list. And i heard de'andre number one devante adams number two and step on digs three and then i heard you talking about the titans in their weapons and just what i was thinking about man think about how good patrick mahomes would be if he had that type of help that aaron rodgers that josh ryan tannehill because like i mean just think about it like year mahomes finishes third in the. Mvp voting behind rodgers behind josh allen. Those guys and now in the afc. So i don't wanna hear next year. Oh he's got this great system you look around the afc. He doesn't have one of the top two receivers. The titans gonna have. An unstoppable offense. Chief shire's is really it must. He's informed but he's not he's not at five and ten with their againry and he's not two or three with adams. Dick's i'm sorry. Yeah with so. I'm just saying that. Jeeves a really good offense. It must just because patrick mahomes number that first point second point is we were talking about earlier. Guys who somehow aren't in the top ten and we set out them deal. And we said odell wild mentioned alan robertson brandon. Engine justin jefferson. Now we're at fourteen guys which does speak to the devil of the receiver position but then it occurred to me wait. There's somebody we're forgetting. That somehow was not in the top ten and didn't even occur to us as a snub. And that's amari cooper and the reason i bring that up is when we did the running backs list we add. Zeke was seven. And we're like yeah definitely not higher than seven. And then we're doing a wide receivers list and amari is like not even in the honorable mention category. So the question. I want to ask briefs bidders are we are we overvaluing cowboys weapons because we know the defense like hopes to just be average but the reason they are projected to be the best team in the division should be overpowered. But it looks like they've got around league average for a number one receiver. They've got a good but no longer great running back like the offensive line isn't what it once was due to know so like so. So are we overvaluing the cowboys offense. That's my question you brandon absolutely not. I'm not. I'm saw zeke. Focus getting in shape. Don't be like james harden don't know what's happening in texas was going on in texas houston dallas with these big bellies. Zeke had a big belly last year. Aren't going through his situation. He had a big belly. Lose the big bali zeke. There's no reason why we don't need. Fifteen hundred yards from zeke. You don't need that all you need to do is get me four yards a carry zeke. I don't need any loss yardage. Don't do that to us. Don't put us behind the stakes. If you do that then we will pick up where we left off last year and leave turnovers because last year before that went down they were averaging four hundred ninety seven yards and offense per game they the most explosive offense there with the banged up off into line. So now you have. I'm so glad you brought him up. Amari cooper we you talk about sweet rouse and playmaking ability. That dude is next level now. Once that went down there was towns. I whereas like man i can see mostly trying to stay trump fighting to stay in it. It was hard for him but he's still a dog. Don't get it twisted. And then you have a cd. Lamb cd lamb this. Do they have them in a slot right now with all obviously can play outside. This dude is different. He had a huge impact on offense last year. At as a rookie. And then gallup they have three number one wide receivers that can get it done and that prescott is entering into his prime. So i'm not trying to get on while not getting on the dallas cowboys hype train on not doing right. We talked about him every single year. What if that defense is decent. And dak. Prescott comes in and delivers could be your moment to actually have a take about the dallas house to me though but it does. It sounds to me at deck to the list of quarterbacks with way more weapons than mahomes. I don't see how patrick gets done. I mean three number one receivers. I don't do against getting your door. Nba finals game tomorrow. Night the series all tied to wind. And you start. Who wins game. Five bucks or son is take your pick. We've got about a minute left. Let's do this friday in. its own. bob. I'm going with the sons babies. Don't ask me who you call with your own. Let's go okay. it is. Friday is over the series nut over. I've got the sons by eleven. Yon still has a big game. But i don't think pat college has a big game. I think middleton also comes down to earth so sons by eleven. Let's go listen. I can't really brain still living in that song when doug sons have not debuted that terrible song. But i've got good news for suns fans i before the series picked every single one of these games. I'm four sons win. Five bucks when the two bucks lie still alive..
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"Final given to a loser. Way of brandon brought up brand brought up the scenario chris. Paul and devon booker to struggle. Janas plays phenomenally and the suns win that happening. I or chris one of them's going to have the ball for them to win. So it's a relevant way. They're not gonna these devon's been another scenario right now. If the sons were up three two and it was over and people gave the trophy griffin. Nobody would be matt. No let me throw another scenario out there. Then because i i love what you guys just brought up all three guys. So let's throw this one out there. Can we see what happened with. Lebron golden state. Let's say jaanus gets shut down again by eight and and so now you have. The sun's winning is given the mvp like eighty was given mvp. Well when you went when when a in is on your knees. He's less than forty percent. Anybody else eighty percent. Don't forget about this right eared. The numbers call mr brandon brandon. I love numbers. And you ninety ninety williams so broussard. Gin brennan monty williams phone number at explained to them. It's that simple. Just having tea andrea and gardy honest. Because he's rampaging through the finals and evidently he would just off sudden turn into office. if we're on. I think those numbers say that. Yeah no not always not. Your boy goes for forty one game three because eight and was on the bench. What in foul trouble. And then all of a sudden the game forties down at twenty six points. Why because they'd have to build a wall he's put eight and out there you so every time big. The greek came to the to the chess. Get of here. Get outta here man. Yeah everybody should be on offense. He should have thrown his chest out there when he's trying to dunk instead. Janas block the shot for the iconic. Play here you guys. You guys not about the trophy presentation. Hey we weren't talking about dirk in the previous segment briefly. Didn't dirk return his league. Mvp that they had to give them in a conference room because they were a one c that lost to the we believe warriors six. No he didn't. He was joking when we talk about it for like. Hey dirk he has a league. Mvp we're not like nope. It's in cold storage somewhere. Because he didn't want it. He's too much of winters. Guess what you're right janas ain't gonna give no great speech if he wins the award. You know wells isn't going to give a great speech. If you guys are arguing. Wild literally said i don't care to give it to campaign to you. You said earlier grains don't work like mine people remember the things. Some people care about the history of the game. They care about this stuff. In accurate devon booker was benched in a game. Three chris paul played so poorly and gained for folks retroactively pulling off the greatest point guard of all time list. And we're like what those guys going to be finals. Mvp meanwhile jaanus is doing things we've never seen before you guys are all crazy people. I say i can't deal bron. Bow our five on the free to play fox super six app he can scan. Qr code below download. The app answer six questions about game. Five year shot to win a thousand dollars. We're back talking some football. Nick needs a little basketball break which wide receiver title best in the game. We'll dive into that next verse sticky sticky hands back here first things first time for stores start your morning. Sponsored by ram trucks built to serve all right brandon marshall. This is how we close out. Why receivers we're talking about the best wider savers in the game. Today that after executives scouts players only they mean the top ten pass catchers in the game right now the star studded list starts with. Check this out. Davante adams andrea hopkins. Then you've got stefan digs kill school. Yo your top. Five bottom. Five as keenan allen mike evans michael. Thomas metcalfe and. Aj round lot guys made the list. Think of some did not so brandon. You're our number one. Receiver your biggest choice from this little children on jenna friday. We're supposed detail in. It's friday was supposed to be chilling. You know i don't like lists and you know i don't like doing this with the wide receivers. 'cause we're sensitive. Why would you do this to me on a friday. 'cause you're gonna force me then. Lend your rearrange it a little bit. Here's the deal. Nick when you look at why receivers right. It's like it's almost impossible. There's ten guys here. But where's justin jefferson. Where's adam billing where you add other guys to this list. It's hard. I feel like they got an almost right for me. I'm a focus on one. Two and three. And i'm gonna i'm gonna go. I'm going to look at the guys that should be beating one on one daily ramsey's probably the best deep into back in the national football league so all of these guys on the list. I wanna see what you do against him. Fifty fifty plays in a game. What are you going to do the number one guy. That's always underrated as always overlooked. Is the andre hopkins. The orangerie hopkins planning a high level since day. One with any quarterback you guys know him with shawn watson but think about who he had before he's been getting it done and now still getting it done in his first year in this dude that you could put backside. Hell jalen ramsey said. He's the toughest that he has to go against because of his catch radius and how strong his hands is. But sometimes like oh. He's not the fastest. he's not the quickest. So we're not gonna put them in that conversation. But i'm telling you right now you can line them up on the backside of fill and when he's covered he's not covered and then the number two guy. We gotta put adams up there. Adams is a guy that complain the slot. he can play to the whiteside. You can play to the to the short side you most of them you can do so many route running ability feet. Oh my goodness he. Has this the sweet science down to a t. He is a playmaker. he's gotta could go for down there. Two thousand yards with aaron rodgers. That do deserves to be right up there. And then steph on big steph on digs. Oh my goodness the stop and start. It's just ridiculous. I don't see anybody getting out of his breaks. The way he do he can run any any tweets it. Nobody runs routes like step toward these. He's considered a little do but he plays bigger than them there. Anybody in the nfl. This dude is tough i love. I'll love his tenacity. He is a winner. While so look i hate these lists because you can throw so many people up there but you got to start with the drink hopkins who's always underrated and.
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"Young. I mean there's i'll be interested to see how there's a discussion about this. Because jaanus is the only player in the series including the stars who hasn't played a bag game. He's got the to his story games in which you score forty or more. And then he had a great very good game for twenty six fourteen. Eight three steals two blocks and i- memorable historic play. That we just showed the block on the andre eight and so he's clearly is now the more controversial thing would be this. Let's say for the sons right now. The mvp is devon booker. He's the mvp right now for the phoenix. Twenty seven points a game. He has the one poor game a game three but he was a big time score and the other three games. Twenty seven thirty one to forty two and game. Four at chris's not played is badly and obviously the turnover terrible. He's numbers look good. Twenty one eight or fifty. Two percent shooting but devon booker is the sun's mvp but this is the mvp for the series right. Now yeah i. I think i agree with you start. I think this is obviously the. Mvp the question is this. Brandon does any is devon booker played so poorly in game three in great in game. Four if devon booker continues to play mediocre and chris. Paul starts playing like a little bit better but gets the narrative of the leadership is. Would you give the mvp to chris paul. Because he's sort of got brought the intangibles along with him one hundred percent. And that's what it's going to come down to wiles years the scenarios right like if that happens the suns win and it's fairly Even between booker. Cpi three cpi. Three's going to get it and rightfully so. He's the one that got them here. And you talk about the intangibles leadership pushing everybody. Everybody embracing his style and elevating their game. But if he doesn't bounce back and you have booker continue to do what he's doing hell. He'll need to drop forty but he just needs to continue to lead the way. Then it's booker. everything equal right. Now it's gone is obviously but but but but there is something to this right. Let's say the sun's gonna win and you don't have is just like a team. Is their team wins right. You don't have booker explode. you don't have. Cpi three bounce back. You may get what you want bro. Jaanus display. they're just at an all time different. So you may get there you go. That's right brandon for the first time since the first finals. Mvp ever awarded eight. I think bucks. We're gonna win even if they don't janas has to be the finals. Mvp barring disaster from him. and i don't see a bad game coming. There is like right now. It's not close. It's not an argument has lapped the field and the series is only tied so the idea that he could if they lose two of the next three. He's eliminated from contention. The best game anyone's played in this series was janos. The second best game playing the series was honest and the fourth best game anyone's played in the series was jaanus with the only one in between middleton had the third-best the game three also middleton was bad in a game. This year is five for sixteen. Drew drew holiday bad a bunch times. He's not in the discussion chris. Paul was bad in a game. Devon booker was bad and benched in a game. We'll look even more ludicrous than lebron. Not winning in twenty sixteen if does not win finals. Mvp barring some type of ap all of a sudden has a four for nineteen game in the bucks lose. He is running away with it so it's not. Who is the finals. Mvp right now. That is only. The question is who is going to be the finals. Mvp you have to open up the possibility i'm gonna use hold on. I think i'm going to convince you broussard. I'm going to try to. I'm to try to mind meld drift from across the country you want to point a time as an esteemed. Mvp voter as the chosen. Few had a rule for regular season. Mvp that had to do with winning and you broke it. Why because russell westbrook did something no one had done in forty years an average and triple double and you're like you know what that's enough for me to break my rule jaanus having all the best games no bad games and iconic moment while the guys he's competing against have all each have one brutal moment or brutal game should be enough for you to break your real about. It has to come from a winning team. Why would it not be. Why would not be look. I don't have a heart. Like i'm not saying never one hundred percent. It has to be from the winner. But i'm just saying it has to be like an opposing player. Averaging forty five to fifty point and nobody on the winning team do hardly anything they have to be that drastic. Everything you just said about jaanus. We say about lebron in some of those series with gold. And nobody's and you said it'll the newman more. It'll be more of a travesty. Nobody's running around thinking. Lebron got screwed because he didn't win one of those finals. Vp's now it has to come from the with no joy donna wanted. Nobody own gives way steph. Tracheal statue wanted is travel. Even tell you. And i got in some trouble about this once. Let me tell you steph. Got zero of eleven votes. I've never understood how that's possible rebut. That's what the official records say zero of eleven. Lebron got four of the eleven so the president was starting to be set. There's four of those eleven that said winning team be damned. This guy average thirty six thirteen and nine were not gigi to a guy who averaged eighteen. A game iggy. So we're not doing it. And but the other seven obviously outweighed wilde eight is going to look ridiculous if the rest of this series plays out with the honest playing at this level and we give it to somebody else. It is going to we. The guy who wins the award is going to know. He doesn't deserve the award. I i'll tell you what we'll look ridiculous when the sons are out there like now. Let's bring out in the finals and be young and like what. I won the final. And he's like well thanks. I guess but. I don't want it so i'm just gonna leave it here so seal later and they're like oh okay back to you in the booth. Everybody janas just abandoned his trophy because he's lost and he's furious there. We go but i guess he wanted on paper. Does anybody wanted is there. A runner up is other. it will. He won't want the trojan grease and we can argue another scenario klay. Does he deserve it. He not accepting the trophy jaanus. Who is who has talked about sort of having a very focused mindset. And he's a little colby ask to the fact that he was except a losers trophy is just beyond the pale brandon. He's not accepting. He doesn't deserve it in the the idea that burst. I'll go right back to you. That's like unless the other team janas scored fifty and the other guys didn't do anything anything except win so winning the finals cows.
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"Let me. I want to go to wilde's as a neutral third party here because andrew and i pick the box sons wild what he typically does which is picked the box but the files in bp. So like who'd nobody really knows. Brandon said something that i think interesting. Which is he just kind of took as a given the sons have the big three. Do they best player janas chris. Paul is markedly better than crispell at this second. Best player middleton booker. There're a push in this series so far and they are what they are. What are you talking about. The only now as all execs put learn all nba in front of us. Say all right. Who are you wanna take booker or middleton in every single going booker guarantee. Ask for the next five years of course but we only got to worry about the next five days. Contract doesn't matter trajectory matter. I listen. I does in this. One game is is is devon booker gonna play all four quarters because two games in a row. He hadn't played the one literally from the other. Well of not played. You'll four and let's let's not talk middle minute mr up and down up and down roller coaster. Let's not talk about middleton now. Ready clipper ships. I'd where they're going to get four or forty. One of the two and this is why i want to go back to wild. The third guy to me kind of is the key here. Because you don't know what you're going to get out of drew other than great defense and you don't know what you're going to get out of eight and win the sons have little like. Oh my god they are as brandon said the best team in basketball the most complete team. It's been with the andrei eytan going. Ten thirteen with twelve rebounds. One of the sons have looked incredibly beatable. It's windy andrea eight and looks like he's still finding his footing. I don't know what i'm getting aiden. I like him. I think he's a very good allows. Why can't say. I i'm pencilling amend brandon for sixteen and twelve so sorry while sorry was out the responses. Let me tell you what you're going to get from eight and nick. You're not gonna get anything on offense inside. Yeah you're going to get some rebounds but let me tell you what you're going to get. You're going to get him on. The greek love free. That's what you're gonna get and he's gonna slow him down when he is on when he's on yawn this. He is dominating you on his compared to the others. can we sold a graphic. This is going to get you. Keep vote don't focus on offense output focus on what he's doing against you on this on the defensive side that's what that's why they have the bigger three. This do is in his head when he's on and he needs to continue to embrace this moment he can't let him go for forty. We saw it last game. They have to build a big wall. They've put a out there. He wasn't in foul trouble and he had twenty six. That's respectable we can win with that. So that's what you're going to get out of eight and wilds okay. So here's the question about eight antoine. It feels like chris. Paul is the head of the snake right so compared to the bucks each one of those guys can can have a bad game individually and not necessarily affect the other guys middleton has a bad game almost like drouin. Janas will step up if drew has a bad game. Middleton step up if you honest has a bad game we haven't seen it yet but the other guys step up. If chris paul has a bad game booker can can carry the load but eight and falls apart. Chris paul's the foundation of that son's team so to me. If i was coached bud. I would double down on harassing chris. Paul because not only can you throw him out of rhythm by default by connection end up eight and doesn't get any of those easy lobs easy. Layups he sort of gets out sort. So do you buy that theory. That of chris. Paul has a bad game. Eight and also has a bad game. I do buy that theory. Because i think you know for eight and a half a great game chris. Paul has to be on. You know what i mean by the on. He actually making great decisions. He has to be made his mid range jump. Shot to force the guy the big to help a lot more and then age is able to finish what made eight and great is. He's finished everything he's not an office they don't put them in place now. He does everything to pick and roll and officer boards but the good thing about eight minutes even the last game again for seventeen rebounds three blocks. I disagreed with bryn about shed down now. What he does do the honest. He makes it more difficult to finish at the basket other guys attain but still has his way. You're talking about a guy skill set. It's too good for them. But he doesn't shoot jump shot so eight able to guard him but he's not shutting them down he just makes it a little bit more at the basket every now and then janas play. Greg dominion game four. He didn't force it. He allowed is the second best player on the team. So carry them when he didn't necessarily have the going there but he began his is under forty percent and against everybody else. He's nearly eighty percent. Come on you're talking about now. What do you call that dense. Tell me mc donald's wishing this is n. b. b. and while you're right brandon against eight janas shooting right under forty against janas potential. Game tying dunks eight nine shooting zero percent because he honest going to look for a lot more from chris paul and he saw from him in game. Four is chris. Paul's legacy on the line in these finals. We'll talk about that. Next first things i thank you and one crisper sard back with us and we're talking about the race for finals. Mvp and after game four. We got a new favorite box. Bet sportsbook has gone says. The guy now moved ahead of chris. Paul who slides down to the number two spot after his game. Four struggles devon booker closely. Behind seeping chris middleton pretty big long shot hebrew czar. who's the nba finals. Mvp right now right now with the series tied to and winning and losing doesn't matter taken out is easily.
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"Has to be a lot better than say. Consider concerned with the turnovers. I'm concerned with the turnovers in certain situations. You don't want these tornadoes to come late engage you. They inspect chris. Paul to be great layton games. I'm expecting game to be very close. It's going to be probably a nailbiter chris. Paul estimate the right way and get them the right shot. It cannot be eternal so those are the two things that can stood out to me for things. But milwaukee among holiday has to show up. I mean johnson. Milton have been been great deserved but holidays. Bill really inconsistent to me on the opposite. Because shoot the ball twenty times you gotta be better than fourth of twenty especially on the road. You're gonna kinda short but it staying to have a chance to win. So i'm looking for an exciting game. Five while by both teams still still like the bucks and seven But it's just to me variables to for these teams to pick. What could be key to the game. So i'm going to say i'm gonna steal a word from money williams and talking about playing with force the bucks are doing it in. The suns are to the point. Where nick right has used the style of play that the sons us get buckets as an insult. Like they're a fun team. It's kind of like a. It's it's a shot. They're a finesse. Little team it's hurting their feelings. Shooting feels like this. I don't want them to play with force. Okay so i'm not sure to graphics. You can respond. The first one is the bucks like whoa play with force. If you guys aren't going to the amount of points that the boxer scoring in the pain of deng soleil first rounders thirty percent. Then we'll go down a little bit but now we're at thirty four percent. They're just realized that they can brutalizes team. And they're making it happen now. I wanna show you a stat from my buddy kirk gold's berry shot to kirk in layups. Jaanus guess what he's on the bucks n lopez on the bucks holidays on the box. Middleton's on the buck. There seems to be an element. Nick here of bullying the sons. And i feel like. I know we can talk about strategy. I think just mentally the sons like you know what. We're not gonna get bullied anymore. I'm gonna throw as many lobs. That i have to throw to and get him a big dunk sort of set the tone so i wanna i wanna see the sons play with four snick. Yeah i with respect wild. You're asking them to do something that they joined. They were twenty ninth in the league. In free-throw rate this year they're dead last in the playoffs and free throws a. Why am i bringing up. Free throws because where do you get fouled going to the ren like eddie andrea ayton. Who is their biggest strongest guy. Do you know how many free throws he averaged a game too. And that's an aberration. His nba career playoff regular season. Not a year where he's ever averaged three free throws again. The bucks are the bigger stronger more physical team which is why a it is incumbent upon phoenix. That eight and plays well. It's not a shocker. That aden's best game was game one which was their best win game three where they law season foul trouble in game four. He only got. What was he. Three for. Nine from the field i know he had a bunch of rebound. That's because somebody on accessory bound the basketball he didn't get enough touches had zero trips to the line. The other element antoine mentioned. This and. I think it's interesting. Is we all thought even those that. Pick the bucks. Well close games late. That favors phoenix or does it let me show you a shocking statistic clutch baskets and imposed season lasts twenty five years now. I know what you're thinking. Oh my god. Is that age twenty one age. Twenty two lebron it is. He was clutch from the very first time. He's in the playoffs. But that's not what we're talking about tied with lebron is chris middleton this post-season so it wasn't just what he didn't gain for. He's been doing it all year. And i do wonder brandon if right now if gained five comes down. It was a close game down the stretch. Which team actually is more confident again. A little reasons he by run guy saw their general fall down literally and the other guy is seeing their second best player. All postseason do that. So i think chris middleton will play well again. I also picked bucks in seven. Which means they probably lose game five. I think the idea that close games favor the sons. I'm not as sure of that anymore. Listen you're one of the best in the world at understanding the big picture and breaking down the entire game and you can go from one year to the next. I'm going to lean into the kiss tick technique. What does the kiss. Techni keep it. Simple stupid learnt that earlier in my career. And i'm gonna do it right here. The sons are the better team. Point blank period. They have the better coats. So is it butters at monte. Come on it's not even close now. I do like that. But may last game putting drew holiday on Cpi three having them pick him up. Full court i like that adjustment. You saw the impact that had on the game three and that team but they have the better coats they have the better point guard. The point god is not wanna to turn the ball over five times again. It's just not happening. I just can't see it happening. You are a legend. You emplo in the finals. You've been waiting sixteen years for this moment and they also have the better trio so so thuan if they have the better coats if they have the better point guard and they have the better trio than. What are we talking about here. Nick is talking about. They had the bigger team. They're more physical. That doesn't always win. Wins who's better. Who's more efficient. They too bad games are on a roll and now they're back home. They're going to get the job done. Well i'm not gonna go onto. Who's the coach. They much is a great motivator. I'm not like either. See what but does but does blends mason great decisions especially at home plan by reports. Moore jeff teague. He's done a good job in and incorporates bent. So i'm not gonna say what's making the best moves right now. We'll let i'm going to say is gangs five is about this. Is the reason why you pay certain gas. Thirty five forty million. This is the reason why separate they sell for these moments so this is about us. It's about chris paul. This is gain fat just to take advantage of this series phases work all season long to potato home court to have home court advantage. They gotta take advantage of this on cannot afford. They can't they cannot afford to let the walk. You books coming in and get a win. But i just want to go back to say. This is about the superstars. This is about those guys that she made a big money for to step up right now and gain fat best two out of three. You don't reinvent the wheel. I do agree with you on. That is not about extra knows more trusting. They don't every play east taste every player gonna run. They don't how many rolls you're gonna do go. Who can do the film sessions. You don't even have to watch filming more if you don't want to. This is all about your star technique game to the next level we got. We played the game. Five was to your wayne way. Put us on his back in the game and we was able to take care of biggest game six with a total team effort so this is about to start stepping up at getting it done. Don't chris park cannot turn the basketball over leaving. he's gonna turn it over during the game but lady has to be great jaanus. If you're going to have the body your aunt late you got to be willing to go to the basket. What he's done and be willing to go to the free throw light if not. We're going to continue the christmas to try to close games out. Who's actually a great second option. Whose job at and.
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"You shut them down. The answer was a freudian slip. Wild you're right. You said it you've been doing mugs. You're like the dirty factor the dirty factor that is not how we need to represent his country in the mind. Is patrick beverley kim. He don't need no padua give you hard. You'll start playing. Are we win the you wanna politely way. Silver was bad enough. I second half of the season gets rolling tonight. Foster sportsbook has the defending champion dodgers favorites to repeat followed closely by the astros and padres still plenty of baseball left. That's the good news. Wilde's what you got for us. Well be honest with you. When i through my notes i didn't. I threw my jason dominguez notes. But here's jason dominguez was just graded to Low low a. in tampa. He's one of the yankees best prospects number one. He has a little bit of problem sliding but they call them the martian. You don't greek freak. Wow he's got freakish skills they caused. The martian is so good sliding not great but overall and amazing player. Keep your eye on it. Hey it's painful to watch Let's talk some football we're gonna ask are wide receiver brandon. Lynch guy is the best guy at the position right now in the nfl. Not gonna wanna miss it first. Things first on friday morning rolling on all right brandon. Here we go. We're talking best wide receivers game today. That after a recent poll of executives coaches scouts and players named the top. Ten pass catchers in the game. These stars scarfs with davante adams. De'andre hopkins then you got stefan. Dick's tommy kill and bouillaud in the top five. Then we have keenan allen. Mike evans michael. Thomas de came metcalf became an aj brown a lot on this list. There are a lot lift off this list. I thought i'd see o b j on here brandon. you are our number one ride receiver. I'm a close second. What was your thinking away from the list. Listen well first of all. This is the most uncomfortable thing for me to ever talk about on television. I don't know why i can talk about. Db's i talk about quarterbacks i could talk about jay cutler myself but we talked about the top ten wide receivers so uncomfortable one because we're sensitive and what happens is if you don't put the guy in the right spot they're going to end up calling you tweeting you or maybe on falling you so you got to talk about that all right but when you look at this from the other side is well. There's so many other guys that's deserving to be in this conversation. Where's adam phelan talk to me. Why isn't adam on the top ten. Where's justin gentlemen guys that 'cause you gotta dern listen i'm not gonna removing your there is it's only ten people go ahead. That's fine rearranging. Somebody feeling getting on their pow but go ahead. I'll leave you alone. Oh wow wow. Wow wow this. Maria raises a little bit. First of all when. I look at the top wide receivers. That means you can beat man to man. That means you're going to get jalen ramsey. He is the best in the league. When you talk about at the position why because he can follow you anywhere in a field you in the slot he can cover you. Go outside to the white site you cover you. You want to go back to the short side. he can cover you. It doesn't matter there's only three or four guys in the nfl. That can get the job done. Like jalen ramsey. So you take these wide receivers you put in front of jalen who can beat this guy. So that's that's what i'm working off of. I'm not working off quarterbacks. I'm not working. Offsets the andre hopkins hopkins right now. Is the number one wide receiver in the game. He's not the quickest. he's not the fastest. Well he'll beat you time after time after time and when it's one on one and also in tight windows he's gonna make every single kit and that's open in the national football league. It's not about. Oh am i two yards. Ah two yards of separation. Three years it's about inches and when it's about inches you gotta have strong hands to get the job done in those clutch moments third and seven game is on the line. Thirty one to you. Got one on one. You know that seventy time. They're going to play one in that position. Can you win on this land k. You went on the back shoulder. Can you win on a non stop. This guy has done it with no quarterback go back before discern watson. He was getting done. You disarm watts. He's getting and then oh in his first year he gets it done. So then you go to my number two and this is adams. Green bay yes. He has office of minded coach. Yes he has. Aaron rodgers but i can assure you one thing. This boy's feet is something different. Adams has everything he can play in a slot. He complained on the frontside backside. Whilst this dude is just different and digs he can easily be in the conversation. Be number one as well. His star in stop is next level the. Nfl's never seen any quickness like this before the dude is small but he plays huge. So those are my top three. I put the andre hopkins one adams to and big three and man you can easily interchange all of them. I love the fact that you hate list so much in that. Nick loves lives so much. Just make this a wonderful wonderful segment. You've never this pig for brandon marshall a little bit like my mother or we're doing the wedding list like mom. If want you know ought channon on sharon in someone's gotta go. She's like no one's going just more people are being added. I'm like one of top. Twenty one is show. You can quote from the chicago tribune about someone that belongs on the top ten brain allen. Robbins it we're gonna put up a quote already to it. Mentioned another zebra get spoiler spoiler alert. It's brandon so basically saying like eight. He had a great year right. Robinson at one hundred and two catchers twelve hundred yards six touchdowns last season becoming just the fourth player in team history to record at least one hundred seven season brandon. Marshall reached that milestone twice with one hundred and eighteen catches in two thousand twelve and one hundred the next season. So two questions for you one. Do you think you'll be able to replicate last season success in. How does having a rookie quarterback sort of fit into it. We don't know when justin field is going to start but do you like the idea of having a first start or do you think on ron's like oh. I like old reliable red rifle ono. I mean he he'll get it done with anybody. There's a couple of receivers. That's why i talked about the andrea hopkins when you have these big wide receivers. That's not the quickest. That's not the fastest. You tend to overlook them you go with the oh. They're fast faster so quick. Look at their moves. But this is a guy that you can put backside short side of the feel mono vs mono okay and he's gonna win play after after play. It doesn't matter. It's not going to be a lot of separations. But his hands is strong. He can adjust a ball in the air. It doesn't matter you gotta do. If you'll see one on one throw him the ball chicago i can. I can assure you that all you gotta do read the field quarterback if it's one high and you have numbers that you have it backside just go slant just go nine stop. Just go back solar. Just go go. He is open when he's covered. Just throwing up on. Wilde's i'm so glad you brought him up because this is someone that can easily be in the top ten but because of the situation. Nobody talks about him nick. So here's what. I find so interesting about all of this because wild is right. Pardon me i love. Lists and i could parts of bit on this. I think keenan. Allen might be touched by i personally even though he was hurt would have odell on there. Like there's a few things. I'd probably have decay ahead of mike evans. But for the most part this they've got the bones of this right but what i find most interesting is what this list represents as far as the undeniable fact that we are in the golden age of wide receivers. And here's what i mean. You mentioned feeling odell. Allen robinson and justin jefferson. I think you mentioned either on or off. The air four is that didn't make the top ten. So i love lists enough that i went back in five year increments and looked at ninety. Five two thousand and two thousand five two thousand ten. What would the top ten wide receiver lists have been then in nineteen ninety five. We had five alzheimer's playing in their primes. But once you got past those guys in the top ten was yancey big ben and brett perriman in two thousand in the top ten would have been easy. Ed mccaffrey and eric moult in. Oh five in your top ten receivers. Was joey galloway in donald driver again. All good players but guys who wouldn't crack the current top fifteen even as late as do thousand ten. Mike wallace and santana moss were clear. Cut top ten receivers and it's really starting around twenty fifteen which you look at twenty fifteen brandon. You had a monster and it's like geez. Louise like how many we've got a dozen great receivers. So here's what i want to compare it to. Can we show the top ten running backs list because it's a reversal of how would have been in the nineties. So there's another ends joan ryan and josh jacobs. They're good players. But if you look at like the two thousand nine hundred and ninety five thirteen hundred yards and was barely a top ten running back so what you're seeing not only is the game becoming more aerial but this skill level has met the moment. You are seeing the deepest crop of awesome receivers we've ever had and it started around near the tail. End of your career brandon to right now is like a top ten list. your rookie. Year brandon was not that hard to make. It's like do we have ten great receivers. I don't know now you're leaving. Awesome players off and that to me speaks to how deep the position is right. Why well let's talk about the. Why make you one hundred percent. You had guys going from gaining drafted going from college into the nfl and sitting for a year or two. This system was too complicated. The guys in front of them were just better. They couldn't make that transition quick enough. Go back and you can also break down those times to see how many guys exploded as rookie. That's why we talked talked about justice. Jefferson say why isn't he on his. He just beat all randy rookie records right. This do is a guy that can get it done over and over again. The reason why is because seven on seven. That's why you can now play full correct year round. And what do you do in seven on seven. Right you're running route. Everybody has to catch the balls to running backs. Aren't running backs on seventy seven or wide receivers if you're not catching the ball. You're not gonna play on those seven. Those great seven on seven teams in florida in georgia in la in texas. And you go on and on and on and these guys also have access to footage. So they're coming in as better wide receivers. They're watching odell beckham. junior's a workout off season. You can youtube it. You can google love saying that. So that's why you're seeing. He'll players come in and make an impact right away because seven on seven and do across sport comparison. What are the two pre game warm ups. People are most interested in shohei ohtani batting practice. Notwithstanding steph curry shooting from six thirty five feet and wide receivers in the end zone with the headphones on making these insane one handed catches that evolution of the shooter in the nba has mirrored the growth of the evolution of the wide receiver in the nfl. It's that guys have seen where young players have seen where the games are going. The best guys at age thirteen fourteen fifteen or via youtube. Whatever it is figuring out what drills i need to do. How can i break into house of athlete and pretend i'm a member and get some workouts in different. Got to do to try to get to that level. And i think you're just seeing it because it is insane that atom dealing and odell are not right now according to this list top ten receivers but it's hard to find guys to move out make sense and it just speaks to how great how great the talent level is right now. Twenty next time won't help. You'll just have twenty miles. Mom just like wild mom. Let's set this aside for now. Get back to the nba finals. But what is the biggest key to tomorrow. Night's crucial game five. We.
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"A deal but he's been the big one probably the biggest story line of the playoffs. So you get to the series. I mean to the finals and you emplo. That can't happen now. Look i still have them winning. Jinnah but chris paul's play better fifteen turnovers and three games. That can't happen from the point guard but but we also can act like. He hasn't had a great game in these finals. The first game of the finals scored thirty two points. The fourth game of the finals. He was really bad to segment of finals. Was like a b. plus game the third game of the finals like a the c game. Kinda run the gamut. I just i. If the first game of these finals he was terrible and they lost and the fourth game he had the thirty two points. Nobody is talking about this and so that to me. That's just the context of the last nine days. When we're talking about legacies we're talking about the context of the next ninety years like listen. I think they're gonna lose. Like hey chris one of the greatest players ever and adam the list of guys great guys without a ring which is not terrible company to be in all right. We're going to have much more on. This crisper star will join us in a little bit in way on. But i wanna talk a little bit about team. Usa basketball they got an open roster spot now with bradley. Beal in the health and safety protocols. Which player should they pick guys will tell you that this is i think i. You're ready to get back into yoga. So you are the essentials a non-slip matt yoga blocks to keep balance and an exercise ball. And you use your bank of america. Customized cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback on online shopping. Up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which she put toward your most essential yoga gear. Noise cancelling headphones apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty one bank of america corporation with room. 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And i take one of the big stories of the week and then we go off on tangents. You never saw coming. This might mean that we start talking about the dodgers winning the world series and end up wondering if knicks fans deserve happiness or begin with the bronze greatness and end up. Drafting our ultimate beer league softball team made up of old athletes whatever. It is the only rule of the shows that it has to be fun and funny because days. We could all use as many laps as we can get so. Check it out wherever you get your podcasts. And come down weird sports rabbit holes with us. We can't wait to have you join a blank. Doesn't matter what i think team. Usa has an open spot to bill. Unfortunately wizard star bradley. Beal is an alpha safety protocols. Meaning he will miss the tokyo olympics. So this is interesting. Trae young posted this isaiah clip from last dance. I met the criteria to be selected. But i wasn't so the replacement for bradley beal team. Usa should be listen. I feel trae you know. He's coming off a few big series and what he did in atlanta this year. What he did in these playoffs but the end of the day. I don't know if those steve aref is going to go well with him and his rallies team but zion is a guy. That's out there. But guys i wouldn't go that way. Who are we go with this. Somebody who can get it done. Sometimes you've got a call in the navy seals just just like just a small team younger. Go with arm. You'll hear what the navy needed to see somebody. That knows what they're doing is going to get it done. Somebody that's been on a team that was considered team nightmare. And then he was on a redeem team and then he came back into some other things. That's carmelo mellow anthony brandon carmel. Adding what are you talking about. Listen put on instagram right. Now you'll see carmelo. Anthony still getting bucket still working on this game and on the biggest aid in an olympics. This is what he's done. That's all just first placing games in points and rebounds. Three points may feel goes like. This is perfect for carmelo anthony. You don't need the biggest guys you don't need the youngest. Gosh guys gonna come in and get it done right away. So i'm going camello anthony. What'd you get a great answer to great answer. And i was trying to see how many three pointers away mellow is from. Having first in everything. I couldn't quite get it in time. I'd love to see mellow end up being the record holder and essentially everything and i would like to see mellow added to this team. But it doesn't really solve the issues. So i would add trae and zion. Kevin love you gotta go to buddy. Sorry i know team. Usa was on just being cleveland. They know listen. Sorry is a bradley. Beal and kevin love can both go. We're going to get some energy for zion. We're going to get some play making trae. The thing with mellow and i would love to have him on the team. We've got plenty of guys that can spot up in. Hit jump shots. We need some playmaking and we need some energy. I think trey and zaire would provide that so trey can replace bradley. Beal and zion can replace. Kevin love who i really really like. But he's gotta go. We're trying to win the gold here america. Okay he's gotta go wild. I'm going to start with a quote. This person was on the usa team usa under nineteen team. When he was at arkansas here was a quote when that was announced from there Arkansas razorbacks dot com in two thousand fourteen. We know he is a guy who is going to play extremely hard and with a fierce competitive spirit. You know with that guy. Is patrick. Beverley and wild patrick beverley..
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"We did the running backs list we had zeke was seven. And we're like yeah definitely not higher than seven. And then we're doing a wide receivers list and amari is like not even in the honorable mention category. So the question. I want to ask theaters are we. Are we overvaluing the cowboys weapons because we know the defense like hopes to just be average but the reason they are projected to be the best team in the division. It's like that offense should be overpowering but it looks like they've got around league average for a number one receiver. They've got a good but no longer great running back like the offensive line isn't what it once was due to know so like so. So are we overvaluing the cowboys offense. That's my question new brandon absolutely not. I'm not. I'm sure off. Zeke focus getting in shape. Don't be like james horan. Don't know what's happening in. The texas was going on in texas. Houston dallas with these big bellies. Zeke edit big belly. Last year dave's going through his situation. He had a big belly lose the big belly. There's no reason why he we don't need fifteen hundred yards from zeke. You don't need that all you need to do is get me four yards a carry zeke. I don't need any laws yardage. Don't do that to us. Don't put us behind the mistakes if you do that. Then we will pick up where we left off last year and leaving the turnovers because last year before that went down they were averaging four hundred ninety seven yards and offense per game they were the most explosive offense there with the banged up off into line. So now you have. I'm so glad you brought him up. Amari cooper we will talk about sweet rouse and playmaking ability to do next level now. Once that went down there was times where i was like man i can see him emotionally trying to stay trump fighting to stay in it. It was hard for him but he's still a dog. Don't get it twisted. And then you have a cd. Lamb cd lamb this. Do they have them in a slot. Right now obviously can play outside. This dude is different. He a huge impact on offense last year at as a rookie and didn't gallup. They have three number one wide receivers that can get it done. And that prescott is entering into his prime. So i'm not trying to get don't want not getting on the dallas cowboys hype train on not doing that right. We talked about him every single year. What if that defense is decent and dak. Prescott comes in and delivers. This could be your moment to actually have a good take about the dallas house but it does. It sounds to me at deck to the list of quarterbacks with way more weapons than mahomes. I don't see how patrick gets done. Dax out three number one receiver. Jeff against him getting guys. You can't door nba finals game tomorrow night and the series all tied to win you start who wins game. Five bucks or son is take your pick. We got about a minute left. Let's do this friday in. its own. bob. I'm going with the sons baby which ask me who you know go we. Let's go okay. It is friday over the series nut over. I've got two sons by eleven. Janas still has a big game but i don't think pat college and has a big game. I think middleton also comes down to earth so sons by eleven. Let's go listen. I can't believe brain and still doing song when the sons have not viewed that terrible song. But i've got good news or suns fans i before the series picked every single one of these games. I'm four sons wing. five is still alive..
"finals mvp" Discussed on First Things First
"The greek freak has done it all will take home finals. Mvp regardless if the buffs winter lose some football so many great wide receivers in the game right now which one though deserves the top spot. We discussed back to the nba. What is the key to game five and holds it poverty one. Good morning walk spurs general brandon marshall. Nick rice kevin. Well what day is it today. We waited all week to ask you this spoiled. Yeah it's right and it's over is friday over. The sons is six books but his hairy debut since brennan debuted the song the sons have not won a game just for the record i jar. I use this speaking of the sons. Why the sons have zero winstons. Brennan started singing at great song. That lyrically strong song his struggles in game four really cost the sun's just ten points and five turnovers on a night. When devon booker lit up phoenix. Blue an opportunity to walk three one in the series now c. p. three did take responsibility afterwards. Bow to take better care of the ball which he needs to do but nick. Let's look at the big picture. Is chris paul's legacy on the line in these. Nba finals. chris. Paul's legacy is secure. And some of that is actually by happenstance and by that i mean the guys who he is competing with as far as you know the ten greatest point guards ever. The eighth graders point guards. Ever the guys who are in that tier behind magic oscar steph and isaiah. None of them have some all time. Great finals moment or finals series. Save for walt clyde frazier on their resume so like listen. I think it's pretty clear that chris balls had a better career than walt frazier. So then who are we. Talking about steve nash and his water great finals games. Well there aren't any because he never played in a john. Stockton made a couple mba finals. He was pretty good in the. I not that good in the second jason kidd what made to nba. Finals is the best player on the net. He was good that first series but they got swept russell westbrook he was actually pretty damn good that people forget average like twenty seven game against the heat but they lost in five so who is the great point guard were saying like well. Now chris. paul falls beneath him on the list hidden one. Because those guys don't have rings. Either orrin kate and gary payton case. They got their rings that far different part of their careers. So i think. I ball's legacies fifth graders. Point guard ever is cemented. I think he will have a bounceback gaming game five. I don't think we're going to look back on these finals and like chris. Paul costs sons the finals. I think we're going to look back on these finals and say janas took the finals so brandon. I don't think his legacy is going to go backwards. Even if and i know you don't think the sons are gonna lose but even if the sun's do lose i don't think his legacy is going to go backwards. Listen i agree with you for the most part nick but legacy conversation me as a football player played thirteen years. I never made the playoffs. This amazing things almost a thousand catches thirteen thousand yards etcetera etcetera etcetera. But i never made the playoffs. So they're going to talk about all of that and they're always gonna say they're also going to say well you remember. Brandon never made the playoffs brandon play for the jets. Brennan played for the broncos and never made the playoffs. That's going to be a part of my story for the rest of my life and then some so we think about chris. Paul yes as far as the leader. Everything you said. As far as the point. God now you can add something else who is legacy energizer wild that is solidify but also was will will be solidified in a part of his legacy submit it forever cemented his man when he got in the postseason he imploded. So i don't want that to happen. Obviously i don't want that to happen. Just because i picked them because as a player you don't want to go on you know and then every time you turn on. Espn you're forty five years of as sitting on on the couch and everybody's talking about the the good old days in a pharmacy. Oh aren't members c. p. three yard. Remember when we were all here for him and then all of a sudden we got to the finals and then there was two or three games where he turned the ball over. It don't ever remember. Don't that remind you of two thousand twelve. Doesn't that remind you of two thousand fourteen so wild. This conversation about legacy. Everything goes into play. Yeah i agree i mean. I think to nick's point brandon. If chris paul plays great obviously is legacy doesn't go backward if he just plays fine. His legacy doesn't go backwards but nick if he plays poorly. I don't know if he moves on your point guard list but people will certainly say or when astra's next to the first line of wikipedia. Now the people talk about. Which is where chris paul goes. Winning follows after last game when he played terribly. I think you have to say all right. If you play terribly in game. Five people are going to. The people are gonna people are going to question. His general sort of like are we willing to say he's a winner but the main question is this and i want to spin it forward because you mentioned it yesterday i wanna i wanna play the sound. Do you think chris paul is hurt. Can we played the sound bite. Thanks so much history. Since that quoth. Nick the guy has fifteen turnovers and we been hinted at it When he went to the files as torn ligaments in his hand. You kind of kicked around yesterday. Do we think that this is all decision making or do we think this is a real injury. No i think he's heard and i also think it doesn't matter is like like. I think that you mentioned that that well if you know if you plays really poorly that's to be on the resume i i. I don't want to be rude. I think that's a little prisoner of the moment. Like what's john stockton's worst playoff game ever. Do you know none of us remembered. I do believe though. He had two points in a finals loss to the chicago. Bulls dusty can fact. Check me on that nobody would. That's the the timeline line of history forgets those things and when you say. Part of curse. Poll story is winning and bringing winning. The sons had not been to the playoffs in a decade. They had not been to the finals in twenty eight years and here they are and so because of that they. I think that just getting here will be remembered quite fondly. I also and so when it comes to the injury. We'll go ahead tell me tell tell okay me no one else. It's it's it's it's on his written. Yeah yeah it's like it. And i know that this is particularly like sort of guessing your craw that lebron gets sort of dinged for making it to the finals and not winning but it gets down to like the old like olympic medalists. Like you're better off like the bronze-medallist is happier than the silver medallist. Like the silver medallist. Didn't win gold the bronze-medallists meddled so if you if you you if you win.
"finals mvp" Discussed on Skip and Shannon: Undisputed
"Talk about that next first things first. Thank you one a crisper. Sard back with us and we're talking about the race for finals. Mvp and after game four. We got a new favorite box bet. Fourth has gone says. The guy now moved ahead of chris. Paul slides down to the number two spot after his game. Four struggles devon booker closely behind. Seeping middleton pretty big shot. Hey broussard who's the nba finals. Mvp right now. Right now with the series tied to and winning and losing doesn't matter taken out is easily young. Yes i mean. There's i i'd be interested to see how there's a discussion about this. Because jaanus is the only player in this series including the stars who hasn't played abaga. He's got the two historic games in which you score forty or more and any add a great a very good game for twenty six fourteen. Eight three still two blocks and iconic memorable historic. Play that we just showed the block on the andre eight and so is clearly jaanus now. The more controversial thing would be this. Let's say for the sons right now. Then be peers devon booker. He's the mvp right now for the next twenty seven points a game. He has the one four game in game three but he was a big time score and the other three games. Twenty seven thirty. One to forty two and game at chris not played as alan. Obviously the turnovers the terrible. He's numbers look good twenty one eight off. Fifty two percent shooting but devon booker is the sun's mvp but this is the mvp for the series right now. Yeah i think i agree with you. I think honesty is obviously the. Mvp the question is this. Brandon does any devon booker played so poorly in game three in great in game. Four if devon booker continues to play mediocre and chris. Paul starts playing like a little bit better but gets the narrative of sort of the leadership. What would you give the. Mvp to chris paul because he's sort of got brought the intangibles along with him one hundred percent and that's what it's going to come down to. Wells is the scenarios right. Like if that happens the suns win and it's fairly Even between booker ep three. Cpi three's going to get it and rightfully so he's the one that got them here and you talk about the intangibles to leadership pushing everybody. Everybody embracing his style and elevating their game. But if he doesn't bounce back and you have booker continue to do what he's doing hell. He'll need to draw forty but he just needs to continue to lead the way. Then it's booker. everything equal right. Now it's gone is obviously but but but but there is something to this right. Let's say the sons go on and win and you don't have. It's just like a team. Is their team wins right. You don't have booker explode. you don't have. Cpi three bounce back. You may get what you want bro. Jaanus display. they're just at an all time. I you may get for there. You go that's right brandon. That's right for the first time since the first finals. Mvp ever awarded eight. I think the bucks are going to win even if they don't janas has to be the finals. Mvp barring disaster from him. and i don't see a bad game coming. There is like right now. It's not close. It's not an argument. He has lapped the field and the series is only so the idea that he could if they lose two of the next three. He's just eliminated from contention. The best game anyone's played in this series was jaanus. Thus second best game anyone's played in the series was jaanus and the fourth best game anyone's played in the series was jaanus with the only one in between middleton had the third best the game three also middleton was bad in a game this series five for sixteen drew drew holiday bad a bunch times. He's not in the discussion chris. Paul was bad in a game. Devon booker was bad and benched in a game. It will look even more ludicrous than lebron. Not winning in twenty sixteen if janas does not win finals. Mvp barring some type of ap all of a sudden has a four for nineteen game and the bucks lose. He is running away with it. So it's not. Who is the finals. Mvp right now that is only. The question is who is going to be the finals. Mvp you have to open up the possibility i'm gonna use hold on. I think i'm gonna convince you broussard. I'm gonna try to try to get mine melgen from across the country you once upon a time as an mvp voter as the chosen few had a rule for regular season mvp that had to do with winning. And you broke it. Why because russell westbrook did something no one had done in forty years an average triple double and you're like you know what that's enough for me to break my rule jaanus having all the best games no bad games and iconic moment while the guys he's competing against have all each have one little moment or brutal game should be enough for you to break your about. It has to come from a winning team. Why would it not be. Why would it not be look. I don't have a heart. Like i'm not saying never one hundred percent. It has to be from the winter. But i'm just saying it has to be like an opposing player. Averaging forty five to fifty point and nobody on the winning team do hardly anything. They has to be that drastic. Everything you just said about this. We say about lebron is some of those series we go and nobody's and you said it'll more it'll be more of a travesty. Nobody's running around thinking. Lebron got screwed because he didn't win one of those finals. Vp's now it has to come from the with no drag. What donald wanted. Nobody desert wait steph as a step sure to one. It isn't travel. And i got in some trouble about this. Let me just. Nba tell you step. Got zero of eleven votes. I've never understood how that's possible. But the official records say zero of eleven. Lebron got four of the eleven so the president was starting to be set. There's four of those eleven that said winning team be damned. This guy averaged thirty six thirteen and nine were not gigi to a guy whoever's eighteen game iggy so we're not doing it and but the other seven obviously outweighed wilde's eight is going to look ridiculous if the rest of the series plays out with the honest playing at this level and we give it to somebody else. It is going to we. The guy who wins the award is going to know. He doesn't deserve the award. I i'll tell you what we'll look more ridiculous when the sons are out there. Now it's bring out in the finals. Mvp young like what. I won the finals. Mvp and he. He's like well thanks. I guess but. I don't want it so i'm just gonna leave it here so seal later. They're like oh okay back to you in the booth. Everybody janas just.
"finals mvp" Discussed on Skip and Shannon: Undisputed
"That to me speaks to how deep the position is right. Why well. Let's talk about the y. Make you one hundred percent. You had guys going from gaining draft going from college into the nfl and sitting for a year or two. The system was too complicated. The guys in front of them were just better. They couldn't make that transition quicken of go back and you can also break down those times to see how many guys exploded as rookie. That's why we talked talked about. Just jefferson say. Why isn't he on his beat. All randy moss rookie records right. This do is a guy that can get it done over and over again. The reason why is because seven on seven. That's why you can now play full correct year round. And what do you do in seven on seven right. were you running route. Everybody has to catch the balls to running backs. Aren't running backs on seventy seven or wide receivers if you're not catching the ball. You're not gonna play on no seven. Those great seven emma teams in florida in georgia in la in texas. And you go on and on and on and these guys also have access to footage. So they're coming in as better wide receivers. They're watching odell beckham. Junior's a workout off. You can youtube it. You can google young online love saying that. So that's why you're seeing. He'll players come in and make an impact right away because seven on seven and two across sport comparison. What are the two pre-game warmups people are most interested in shohei ohtani batting practice. Notwithstanding steph curry shooting from sick thirty five feet and wide receivers in the end zone with the headphones on making these insane one handed catches that evolution of the shooter in the nba has mirrored the growth of the evolution of the wide receiver in the nfl. It's that guys have seen where young players have seen where the games are going. The best guys at age thirteen fourteen fifteen or via youtube v. Whatever it is figuring out what drills i need to do. How can i break into house of athlete and pretend i'm a member and get some workouts in different things you gotta do to try to get to that level and i think you're seeing 'cause it is insane that adam dealing and odell are not right now according to this list top ten receivers but it's hard to find guys to move out what makes sense and it just speaks to how great how great the talent level is right. Now jenna.
"finals mvp" Discussed on Skip and Shannon: Undisputed
"Yet but to your point you're talking about everything around it so when you think about chris paul. It's about how he did it. We're the lakers. First series. his shoulder overcoming is he playing he plane. He's playing with one shoulder. he's still impacting. The guys he's still cheering on the sidelines or leading on the sideline are the big game. Thirty point he's thirty six years of eight so it's how he did if he came in and he was just giving us fifteen points a couple of couple rebounds then it wouldn't be that big of a deal but he's been the big one probably the biggest story line of the playoffs so now you get to the series. I mean to the finals and you emplo. That can't happen now. Look i still have them winning jenna. But chris paul's wouldn't have to play better fifteen turnovers and three games. That can't happen from the point. God but but we also can't act like he hasn't had a great game in these finals. The first game of the finals scored thirty two points. The fourth game of the finals. He was really bad. The second game of the finals like a b. Plus game the third game of the finals legacy a see game. Gammit i just i. If the first game of these finals he was terrible and they lost and the fourth game he had the thirty two points. Nobody's talking about this and so that to me. That's just the context of the last nine days. When we're talking about legacies we're gonna the context of the next ninety years like listen. I think they're going to lose. Hey i pol one of the greatest players ever and adam to the list of guys great guys without a ring which is not terrible company to be all right. We're going to have much more in this crisper. Starred will join us in a little bit in way on it. But i wanna talk a little bit about team. Usa basketball they got an open roster spot now with bradley beal. In the health and safety protocols which player should they pick guys will tell you next. This is i first thing. I drawing a blank. It doesn't matter what i team. Usa has no spots bill. Unfortunately wizard star bradley. Beal is in elephants safety protocols meaning he will miss the tokyo olympics so this is interesting. Trae young posted this isaiah clip from last dance. I met the criteria to be selected. But i wasn't so brandon replacement for bradley beal on team. Usa should be listen. I feel trade. You know he's coming off of a few big series and what he did in atlanta this year. What he did in these playoffs but at the end of the day. I don't know if those fever ref is going to blow well with him and his rallies team but zionism high. That's out there. But i wouldn't go that way. Who are we go with somebody who can get it done. Sometimes you got a call in the navy seals just just just a small team younger. Go with the army. The navy news. You see somebody that knows. What they're doing is going to get it done. Somebody that's been on a team that was considered team nightmare. And then he was on a redeem team and then he came back and some other things. That's mellow anthony brandon carmel ending. What are you talking about. Listen put on instagram right. Now you'll see carmelo. Anthony still getting bucket still working his game in on the biggest in olympics. This is what he's done. That's all just first. Placing games in points rebounds. Three points may feel goes like. This is perfect for carmelo anthony. You don't need the biggest guys you don't need the youngest. Gosh guys gonna come in and get it done right away. So i'm going camello anthony. What you got married into great answer to great answer and i was trying to see how many three pointers away mellow is from. Having first in everything. I couldn't quite get it in time. I'd love to see mellow end up being the record holder and essentially everything and i would like to see mellow added to this team. But it doesn't really solve the issues. So i would add trae and zaylon kevin love. You gotta go to buddy. Sorry i know team. Usa not just being in cleveland they okay. Listen sorry je bradley. Beal and kevin love can both go. We're going to get some energy from zion. We're going to get some play making trae. The thing with mellow and i would love to have him on the team. We've got plenty of guys can spot up. Hit jump shots. We need some playmaking and we need some energy. I think trey and zion would provide that so trey can replace bradley. Beal and zion can replace. Kevin love who i really really like. Buddies gotta go. We're trying to win the gold here america. Okay he's gotta go wild. I'm going to start with a quote. This person was on the usa team usa under nine hundred when he was arkansas. Here's the quote when that was announced from Arkansas razorbacks dot com in two thousand fourteen. We know us. He is a guy who is going to play extremely hard and they competitive spirit. You know with that guy is patrick. Beverley and wild. Patrick beverley you want beverly on the olympic team. Yeah you know what i do. You got plenty of sports. Do you need a little play making sure so if you want if you wanna get lamelo lamelo on. I'm fine but they're still going to be a spot for patrick. Beverley because middleton drew or broker. You're not going to be our three someone's going to be like just won. The finals patrick beverley brings with him. The wildcard factor the dirty work the dirty work factor the the. Hey this guy's happened to regain hearing what grade slick. Can you shut them down the answer freudian slip wild. You're right you said it you set it. You're like the dirty factor dirty factor. That is not how we need to represent in tomorrow's the mind. Is patrick beverley kim. He don't need that. No give you hard playing ours. We wanna polite. Try silver enough tall second. Half of the season gets rolling tonight. Fox sports sportsbook has the defending champion dodgers favorites to repeat followed closely. By the astros in padre still plenty of baseball left. That's the good news. Wilde's what you got for us. Well be honest with you. When i through my notes i didn't. I threw my jason dominguez notes. But here's jason. Dominguez was just just on graded too low low a. in tampa he's one of the yankees best prospects number one product has a little bit of problem sliding but they call them the martian. You don't the greek freak. Wow he's got freakish skills they caused. The martian is so good sliding knock great but overall an amazing player. Keep your eye on it. we're gonna let off. It's painful to watch Let's talk some footba we're gonna ask are wide receiver. Branding winch guy. Is the guy at the position right now in the nfl. Not gonna wanna miss it first. Things first on a friday morning rolling on all right brandon. Here we go. We're talking best wide receivers name today. That after a recent poll of executives coaches scouts and players named the top ten pass catchers in the game. These star skirts width devante. De'andre hopkins. Then you got stefan timing phil and bouillaud in the top five. Then we have keenan allen. Mike evans michael thomas detain metcalf decay. Met and aj brown the lot on this list. There are a lot lift off this list. I thought i'd see oh. Bj on here brandon. You are our number one ride receiver. I'm a close second. What was your biggest way from the list..
USA Basketball Announces 2021 Olympic Team Roster
"Team. Usa officials meanwhile announced their men's basketball roster for tokyo and it's led by two time finals. Mvp kevin durant. The us led by head coach. Gregg popovich looking for its fourth consecutive gold. In olympic play the official roster has been released and again. We've got to rant on there. We've got devontae booker on there. We got chris. Middleton damian lillard jason tatum again looking for a fourth consecutive gold medal at these games
Portland Trail Blazers Name Chauncey Billups as Next Head Coach
"Hired Chauncey Billups is their next head coach. Billups has been an assistant with the Clippers since 2020 and played in the NBA from 1997 through 2014, making five All Star teams and winning the finals MVP with the 2004 Detroit Pistons championship team. Blazers fired Terry Stotts after finishing 42 30 and losing in the first round of the playoffs to the Denver Nuggets.
Steve Kerr: Kevin Durant 'More Gifted' Than Michael Jordan
"Steve. Kerr says kevin durant is more getty. Take it away. Then michael jordan so kerr coaster for three seasons as we know golden state warriors the nba finals all three years. That katie played for them. They won two titles. He was the finals. Mvp in both championships and had amazing performances. Now they could've probably pulled off a three peat if if it wasn't for durant's that that obviously achilles pop it on him against the raptors final season. Now steve kerr also play. Played with michael jordan won two titles with mj with the bulls so his perspective on this obviously is something that is interesting because he played with jordan but coach durant and listen to what he said nbc bay area about kevin durant and his comparison to jordan is the most talented basketball player on earth If not of all time. Honestly he's just so gifted played with michael jordan. And and and i know i think he's more gifted i really do. I mean it saying something but kevin is a different entirely different breed. I mean six eleven With guard skills unlimited three point range passing blocking at the rim. It's just stunning and watching him. This year was really really ratifying to see
The Celtics Seem To Be Missing "That Guy"
"The thing that great teams have are they have Those guys who will bring them together and say yeah, that's the thing that for me with the Celtics over last month. I haven't seen that guy. I mean and and that anger that Marcus has that pop off lists that he has to me is valuable for the scene cuz he needs it off. I mean I went to I mean when I when I'm seeing this team, I went to a tip-off dinner. They had a couple of years ago and they had em on stage and think was Kyrie or the recording at the gala and I was born I don't know. I mean give me something that many jobs, you know, we're going to play hard and win, you know, they were going to Yo, these people are in now they they want to be excited to give me something like, you know, that's what it hold it off. As much as we wanted to you know, you you you have to play to the crowd like LeBron did that time when he went to
Have the 'Bad Boys' Pistons been overlooked in NBA history?
"Had a great relationship that you're going to bring some of the stuff that you when you cover the bad boys the Pistons. Yes, your relationship. Someone will break horn and those guys in that area some new insight because now we're especially with the day of covet we're supposed to live through the past and you know the big dance the last dance with with Michael was such a huge thing that happened. The Pistons were right in the middle or at the end of the beginning or the ending of where Michael started. Yeah. Yeah, and and and for me, you know, I I was around that team at a time when they took the Pinnacle of NBA greatness. And so there are lots of stories that you know, I have stored away. I mean like when I was there when they won the title in 2004 would rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups and all those guys and they were little things that they did that people didn't realize played a role in winning a title things like Larry Brown, for example, the first play of every single game if they went to jail ball was get that damn ball to Ben Wallace and let him go to work because big fella knew he wasn't touching the rock much at all if at all after that, so they made a point of getting him the ball first possession every single time. They got the ball in office and they just cleared out and let him go to work and if he scored great if he didn't we gave you a shot. It's little things like that that helped them build team. Chemistry and bonding and Trust knowing that hey going to get you twenty-five Thirty points, but if you don't do the big fella bone and you going to get you 15 Reba, I don't know any other brothers often times. I can think of that had developed that kind of chemistry and I was on the championship teams. We liked each other but with those pills like those dudes would suck blood brothers. Like, you know, it's like the way they think the way they perform it was like bad boys in the years that bad boys for life like that movie that's just seemed like the way they were
NBA finals 2020: Los Angeles Lakers beat Miami Heat to clinch title
"N BA champion at the expense of the Miami Heat for the 17th time. The Lakers are champions, the Lakers conquer the bubble on batter number. 17 will soon hang in the Raptor. Cole on ABC, Los Angeles beat the Miami Heat to win the best of seven series, the finals MVP for the fourth time with three different teams. Lakers. LeBron James Hope I made my guys proud, and that's all that mattered to me. I mean, my guy's problem. Make the fanbase problem Lakers tie the Boston Celtics for the most titles not forgot during the celebration. Former Laker great Kobe Bryant, who died in January. Steve Futterman, CBS NEWS LOS Angeles, There is a
"finals mvp" Discussed on Hollinger & Duncan NBA Show - NBA Basketball Podcast
"And then you end up getting into a lot of complex areas right because you're now you're trying to put dollar valuations on player performance. He's trying to project it out. You immediately get into a lot of really complex cool stuff but at the heart of it is like. You're just trying to think about things that we usually think about emotionally. We're fans in a much more scientific way so we got eight minutes left here. Let's do a lightning rod. I'm going to set the timer for sixty seconds for each question. Get ready to go here. And let's start with this one a lot of comments here lumia when we find a question. Who should the mavs target to help. Luca as it's scott now so it's interesting because i think they want to keep their twenty-one cap clear and make a run a jaanus and if not jaanus one of the other big free agents and twenty one and so. That's going to handcuff them a little. As far as what they can do this coming off season. I do think we keep saying they need another ball. Handler around luca. We i think we you would want to have seen jalen brunson healthy in the playoffs and see what that look like. I do think they probably could do something with the lawn right. Like he just didn't fit there. I think he's a pretty good player and still has some value around the league. But maybe can you parlay him into another player like the three four spot. Maybe some with a little more defensive mojo. I think that's one. You'd have to look at a little like there away. I don't know if this guy is good enough but like salon ride for alpha ruka renew or something where you get yourself a little more stout defensively at wings and and up through the four spot especially since zinc is gonna be playing five more probably next year. Because you don't have to white pal thing. I'd may be looking at but it's going to be tough because you really want to keep the books clean for twenty one. Yeah the only of twenty five million in space as it stands now in twenty one so if you take on somebody who's even longer than that then you run into some potential issues You know they could move. Powell could move Maybe right as well to open up more space there let's see here What is the best way to project how a player's pick and roll ability will translate from college to the nba on limited data. People watching some tarries halliburton film. Though is that this is so divine ninety six we could. We could do a little longer on. This actually is a really interesting. I mean if this if this was easy the draft. It'd be a lot easier. You know there. There's so much you're thinking about. I mean know in the immediate. Can the player handle the ball and can he read the game because the those are two things that especially the ability to handled..
Doc Rivers was set to take break, says he 'couldn't turn down' opportunity to coach Philadelphia 76ers
"A week after Doc rivers in the clippers parted ways the sixers introduced rivers as their new head coach yesterday docks that he wasn't willing to coach just anyone but the talent and Philly made it a tough opportunity to turn down. That was gonNA coach anybody I can tell you that I was ready to take a break and. It just depends on the team that was available, and if I thought that team in my opinion was ready to win. That excited me and when you look at these players as young players and their potential. The fact that they've had. So much success in some ways at the age is that they are already. And where I believe they can go for me is is a job you just couldn't turn down. and. That's why I'm here. Certainly a loaded roster Zach Thomas still here with us with Steven you're up first at the end of the day, which is the tougher Doda to coach. Do you think it's PG thirteen and? Or would you go in beat and Simmons for dot? To to me, it's a Koala MPG. It's a tough. It's a tough situation because of where they are in their careers. Your I if you are a wild linnet, you're a two-time champion, the two time NBA Finals MVP portly. You're a bit indifferent as a personality. You're very businesslike approach. You go out doing what you need to do as it pertains to doing your jobs your job but in terms of galvanizing the troops around you, that's not Hawaii. Limit is you search around you talk around NBA circles that's what you consistently here in the case of. Paul George Obviously Paul Georgia's one of the more talented you know two way players in the NBA. He's a star, but unfortunately in his postseason career particularly, this postseason that was not the case and if your doc rivers and you walked into that situation, you got guys the veterans they're established stars they've got set in their ways. They believe there's a certain way to do things and what have you, and as a result, it ended up being an incredible challenge particularly when you consider what doc rivers had to absorb once Leonard Arrive Kawhi Leonard Arrive. At once Paul George Wounded Forces the clippers to trade to form in order to acquire Paul George because that's the person that he wanted to play. He wanted to play with he was GonNa practice what he felt necessary use GonNa take games off in terms of game you know load management when he wanted to he was gonNA play when he wanted to during the regular season of course, always available during the players but all of these things assist to what makes life difficult for coach particularly when you have ownership making these kind of investments that's problematic in the case of New Philadelphia Yes embiid, and Ben Simmons are young. And you gotTa get a Ben Simmons to shoot the boy only attempted seven three point the entire season last year Joel embiid attempted one, hundred, seventy two. So one guy needs to get the pulse more and stop having this big backside on a on the perimeter and the other guy needs to develop a perimeter shot. So he could be much more of a formative formidable threat, but they both incredibly young they both got a lot of promise and a lot of future. Ahead of them and they able, you know they're trainable to some degree as opposed to be definitively set in their ways because they don't have any definitive set ways that has really really worked for them and I think that's the difference. That's why I'd say it's it's tougher to coach. Kawhi Leonard and Paul George at this stage particularly for Doc rivers and what he had to deal with last year with the clippers then it would be for him to coach Embiid. EMBIID. And Ben Simmons.
WNBA Finals Game 1 Recap
"Anyone who follows man on twitter knows I'm I'm Elliott born and raised a dire laker fan there in the NBA finals right now? Tonight Lakers went up to on the Miami. Heat Lebron James Scores. Thirty three points with a double double Anthony Davis then your triple-double Anthony Davis it gets fourteen boards on route to a double breese Stewart was the best basketball player on the planet tonight wasn't even close and many NBA analysts would agree with me. This was. Honestly in your opinion, the years we've been covering the WNBA where does research performance night rank? WNBA performances you've watched. I, think, let's say in the last five years. Legitimately and this this includes. This includes all the Toronto stuff we've seen although all the game winning shots we've seen I think. The more dominant stretch from a player we've seen was about six minutes of sue bird. In the suber game. and. That was all so much that was from the perimeter and what brief Stewart does from all over the floor. She's just unstoppable in the post she's unstoppable and she's moving the ball. She's unstoppable from outside I. Think She's the Best Player we've seen blade this. I. A blanket A. Challenge anyone to come at me. If we're going by your five year window, she's doing this in the finals and that's where it matters the most and she's doing it off of an injury last year and I think every team in the league in a fantasy draft of players. If they redraft the whole league I think she's the consensus number one. I mean I believe there was a League's playoff game or Sylvia fells did the twenty, eight, twenty, nine. And that was impressive. Obviously I, think you're doing wholescale. Finals given context late, Adela done pushing her team to a championship on a non-functioning spine. Israeli something. This was a game where Seattle walked in as a two seed but was basically the odds on favourite given the strength and they were really. The biggest thing you needed was were we going to get what we had advertise from the stars you and I have been championing jewell Loyd this entire playoffs you've been consistently calling her future finals, MVP, Jewell, Loyd and. She. Is Hard to yeah. Looked at just her line in the box. Tonight you'd be like we're almost there. But like but but she definitely converted. Sue Bird breaks the single game. Finals assist record was one shy of the record at halftime. And why should we be shocked Meghan Rubino just wrote a player's Tribune column all about it. But. This was also a team up against Vegas team that definitely is is building their bulletin material. They have something to prove they going to hilarious run in the third quarter after being down seventeen at the half, they tied it up with a minute left in the third, a couple Julius free make it a two point game. It's a one basket game heading into the fourth quarter of finals, and it's at that exact point to restore. Basically said guys, why don't you go ahead and take a seat? Mama's got it taken care of she scored the first eleven points of the quarter and I don't mean the storms, I eleven points I mean the first eleven points of the quarter end you know that because espn was some real nincompoops and put up the graphic. That had fourth quarter points brief steward. Eleven. Las. Vegas. Aces zero as if anyone needed to know she categorically took over the game I mean this is the classic like great player mentality of. I have figured out the two three things I absolutely need to do and I'm just going to do them, and if you think you can stop it go ahead and try. But I know what I'm dealing with here and you brought up the context the ability to do that after. Technically. We're at this point for the storm twenty, two regular season games plus three semifinal games plus this she's twenty six games still into her WNBA. Return
ESPN Michael Jordan doc: 'The Last Dance' episode 3-4 highlights
"From now last night the last dance Michael Jordan of the Chicago Bulls we have a so it's three and four and these two episodes centered on two different revolving storyline it's been a little bit confusing as great as the filmmaking is it's been a little confusing if they darted back and forth between eras the reason they're doing this is not just a start to finish documentary the timeline of the nineteen ninety Chicago Bulls which which start hypothetically would Jordan gets there the eighties then go right through nineteen ninety eight instead of it's built around the all access footage that they got in nineteen ninety eight and so that's got to be at the core of it and then they build around that the sub plots of what happened with Jordan first got there the building of the culture of the hiring of Phil Jackson the resentment of the Jerry Krause the addition of Scotty Pippin all these little things along the way and so last A. U. two totally different eras kind of combining these two episodes the one era being the nineteen late nineteen eighties early nineteen nineties wars with the Detroit Pistons the bad boys pits and buys that Thomas Joe Dumars and Dennis Rodman and then the modern carnival surrounding Dennis Rodman with the bulls and I say moderate in air quotes because it was nineteen ninety eight so you have the late eighties wars with the pistons and the late nineties battles in keeping Dennis Rodman on tracks was been a little confusing to go back and forth if you're not really familiar with how the whole thing unfolded I thought as I assumed that the episode against the episode of the wars with the pistons were going to was going to be one of the most captivating if not the most captivating because it is a moment in time where Michael still can't win and I think that there is I don't want to see it inaccurate because it is accurately the the reputation of Michael Jordan's accurately depicted as six time champion he did those things he was six now in the NBA finals six NBA finals MVP awards they never went to a game seven so is accurately depicted as a winner but what is often times forgotten is there is a chunk of his career he is not a winner and when I see the tear downs of lebron James o'reilly C. with anybody's compared to Michael of they don't have the killer instinct they're not a winner they don't take the last shot all this stuff that really is surrounded lebron by and large but it's hit other players as well and kind of makes everybody pal compares to Michael I keep reminding myself and those around me yeah but Michael wasn't always Michael that we know him now he's a finished product he is now a icon he was a winner but there were years that's the reason is because I watch those years had remember getting Sports Illustrated the mail where it said basically you don't the pistons are stopping Michael Jordan could can Michael didn't get past the pistons can Michael Jordan win a championship and that the conversation at that time nationally was Michael great individual player cannot win the title is not good enough to make his teammates better in Seoul I was glad that that part of the narrative is being talked about with that with the pistons that does our blood feuds and Michael could not get over this any loss to the pistons three consecutive years the only highlight the last two years the United ninety last night they lost we get eighty eight as well that is three years off Hey gene for Michael to after where they did they finally get over to nineteen ninety one so those wars to me were the most fascinating part about last night's two episodes because that to me is one of those interesting errors if not the most interesting era of the bulls is that they are better than garbage which they were when he took over when when he got drafted they're not as good as they were when it was assumed they would just blow through the league they're in this transition state it it's almost like it's almost like growing from a warm or caterpillar to a butterfly it's in that moment is the nineteen ninety in nineteen ninety one pivot point post seasons where they lose to the to the pistons in seven and then they finally beat him in nineteen ninety one by sweeping them and I say and the bad boy pistons walk off the floor before the game is over and don't shake the
Kevin Durant among Nets players to test positive for coronavirus
"At by Kevin Durant says he's among four Brooklyn nets players to test positive for the coronavirus everyone be careful take care of yourself and quarantine we're going to get through this he told the athletic but that's announced Tuesday that four players have tested positive for carbon nineteen but they did not identify the players only one is exhibiting symptoms but all four are isolated under the care of team doctors Duran added two time NBA finals MVP has not played this season as he recovers from an injury from last year's championship
NBA Storylines Down the Stretch
"Doris Burke is an NBA analyst for ESPN so doors the All star break is over and NBA. Games are back. We wanted to talk to you. About what surprised you so far this season. And how you see the last couple of months shaping up as we enter the homestretch before the playoffs. Let's start in the East right where there is an unequivocal number. One team in Milwaukee they have the best record in the NBA and they are destroying teams winning by an average margin of victory of more than twelve points per game now of the eleven teams that have had a double digit margin of victory over the course of a season. Eight have gone on to win it. All Doris. Is there something that stands between Milwaukee and the NBA Finals? Yeah this is a great question. So in their eight losses the one thread that is consistent throughout those are teams are averaging sixteen point nine threes and philosophically. Their priority is protect. The paint. First and foremost they are so elite. At that that we have not seen this kind of rim protection in the modern NBA. With the possible exception of Spurs team that had both Tim Duncan and David Robinson but the fact of the matter if a team gets hot and really can create shot opportunities then. I think that they can be beat. The other thing that happens is your and you saw in the All Star game. Jaanus is the first player to go twenty five and eleven back to back all star Games but he was over to note points in the fourth quarter because they did playoff teams. We'll do they set up a wall and they said somebody else is going to beat us so well. No one's really doubting the bucks at this point. I think there is still a lot of skepticism about the number two seed in the east the Toronto Raptors. I mean after losing finals. Mvp Kawhi Leonard. They were not seen as favorites coming into this year yet. They have the same record right now that they had at this point last season doors one hand the raptors have been under five hundred against winning teams but on the other they had a lot of. Are we underestimating them? While I'm definitely giving them punchers chance to get to the Eastern Conference finals and a punchers chance to come out in the past historically particularly when Demar Derozan Kyle lowry. Were on the team together. What we knew was they understood how to win in the regular season but they're always seemed to be this level of doubt in their minds when the calendar turn to April but the fact of the matter is. They changed that a year ago with championship. There is a different feel a different presents a different countenance about the entire group and yes unequivocally the record versus plus five hundred versus minus five hundred is concerning but let's remember that their top six guys including Serge Ibaka. Who's having the Best Year of his career? Kyle lowry Markelle Saul Fred Van Bleed. Norman Powell Pascal them. All six of those guys have missed at least ten games so I don't know that we have the clearest picture the other thing working in their favors they have one of the best coaches in the league. Nick nurse wears that head coaches mantle with ease. Why because he's been calling the shots for the vast majority of his career. In any number of circumstances his creative he's fearless. He's a little bit irreverent. And I'm telling you mean ah I give them a punchers chance to get to an east finals and a punchers chance to get out. Did you see this coming at all? Doors not even close and this is the question really ultimately. Do they have enough offense in what you're seeing is to me. What appears to be this grooming of Pascal? Ceac him of all right. You gotta go get your own in those minutes and a playoff circumstance where you don't care whether it's a mid range to a fall away jump shot a jump shot under duress of excellent defense. What matters is I need to put the ball in the basket right now because this game is teetering on our control or there's and we've got to have one and you're watching Pascal. Can he deliver in the postseason? He's been excellent in the regular season. I can't wait to see a play out. I think it feels right now. Like you've got the bucks in a tier of their own and then you've got the raptors celtics heat kind of swirling around each other. There was a feeling ahead of the trade deadline that the heat could vault to that number. Two spot perhaps even contend with the bucks if they really went all in and added Gala Nari. They didn't they did add Igwe Dolla. Do you think that's enough? You know the the last prism through which I saw. Andre Gonzala was a man who was battling an Achilles in the playoff series and seemed to be showing the signs of some age. But what I know. Unequivocally is this man from a basketball intellect standpoint. According to Kerr is one of the smartest in the history of the League. He has got championship. Dna He's got positional versatility on the defensive end that basketball intellect and the ability to process information quickly and to do it under the spotlight of the playoffs. He has all of that. I'm anxious to see how he changes the dynamic the Miami Heat. You know this. They're going to play hard defensively every single night. They're going to mix in one of the most effective zones we see in today's NBA and Eric's bolster is outstanding coach. So right now sitting in that fourth spot how far Jimmy Butler can take them. That'll be interesting. Those young guys. Right Duncan Robinson Tyler Hero Kendrick Nunn all those guys who have performed so well in the regular season when the calendar switches. Can you win with them? Let's see
Trump gives Medal of Freedom to NBA legend Jerry West
"Borough at the White House president trump awarded the presidential medal of freedom to NBA legend Jerry west over the course of his fourteen NBA seasons he broke the record for the most points scored in the history of the Lakers was named the NBA finals MVP and was inducted into the basketball hall of fame west also coached the Lakers for three seasons and moved to the front office signing Magic Johnson Kobe Bryant and Shaq you're listening to
Clippers' shocking moves for Kawhi Leonard, Paul George shake up the NBA
"We have to start with the news that you see see broke on friday night collide leonard is going home the two time finals mvp signed a four year deal with the los angeles clippers worth a hundred forty one million dollars joining him six time all star paul george wasn't she the clippers they traded five first round picks to pitch swaps end to players get pg thirteen see i have to start with you you've been all over this from the beginning you got the call from uncle danny what was your reaction to all of this i was totally shocked i was totally shocked but i had been informed the whole way but all three teams would be involved but by be i was shocked that only the deflected the clippers but i was shocked at some of the intel how he reached stop the kevin durant's in really made a a passing up plead for kevin the rat the join him with the clippers kevin the rat the signing joined the size of the joined kyrie irving gonna go to the brooklyn nets then how he immediately moved off of kevin durant's compared to just joining the already made the big three there in las angeles everyone thought was a done deal or even a short term deal going back to toronto he stay for a quiet guy does a lot of talk and he talked to paul george force paul george to go to his employer in force his way out of this second team they build a force his way out of it in in three years to me why leonard in how aggressive he was you asked me a question on friday would we learn about co why i didn't think i would learn that much but men how aggressive he was in how he took charge of the situation to build a control his own fate but ultimately only it was just like kyri and i had mentioned this a couple of times he wanna go back home in the clippers the clippers they wouldn't let the girl go now hey man they made eyes on why last year when co why said he would play for the clippers and i don't know about embiid mbh office but the clippers during the season they stayed in contact they let the they lick co why no every single raptors game see much to the chagrin of some of the raptors front office there's someone they're all year long in a clippers team polo they had their their their analyst criticized why own tv you're out they fired him so it was everything behind the scenes the the clippers had the ban is we thought toronto head and listen i understand the trade all these unprecedented but you cannot look it they the clippers gave up that paul george they gave up that paul george end collide leonard leonard you got the reigning finals mvp and maybe the next best two way wing in the league a top five player and now also a top fifteen player that's the price of that both on long term deal in i think it's very important the knicks pulling winco why leave the meeting with the clippers he tells them if you get paul george on come i'm coming but he i think they also know whether it was saturday not if you don't i'm not we did learn a lot we learn why does not want be easiest path possible but he also does not want an impossible path signing with the clippers we're second best players lou williams or gallo or patrick beverley however you slap them would have put you the
Zion Williamson ruled out for rest of Summer League after suffering minor injury in Pelicans debut
"Welcome to the jump we're coming to you live from beautiful las vegas states three of summer league feels really like day a hundred because regency started it's just this is all we do is sit around and talk about dmv is year round and why are we showing zion coming the show because look who is alongside the future hall of famer vince carter the future hall of famer finals mvp paul pierce be general manager of the new orleans pelicans david griffin thank you so much for being back with us we appreciate it glad to be here all right so he was fantastic on friday especially once he thought he got comfortable right near the basket but he did have that need any contact so let me know how he has been feeling and what you're concerns were when you saw that 'cause they didn't play the second half yeah he's he's fine he came to us he wasn't in great condition and from a cardio perspective it wasn't a great situation to begin with so when he took that shot really it was just from my standpoint it was more cautious than anything else just shut him down at that point because there is no reason to push him when he was in the situation he was in you
Grizz explore trade market for Iguodala
"The Grizzlies do not plan to give Andre a good dollar a buyout before the season they are actively exploring the trade market for the former finals MVP parlay sources rockets mavs among the teams with interest here's why I bring this up because your father a dollar to play for the Grizzlies this year mom why if you're good I'll press all rockets or Lakers Jersey this year as painful that's painful it's hard enough but understandable to wrap your head around what has happened with Andre dollar but we don't need to hide good grief if he's running around swapping in wine with next to Chris Paul and James harden next year oh no no no no no no no I don't I don't think I can I don't think you're gonna do very well with that and if he's you know coming off the Laker bands to spell kawaii little broth yeah I yeah she's CFO H. all right seriously so the bad diets I am excited to a degree that Memphis things they can get some form and so maybe I'll end up somewhere other than than what we've
Kawhi Leonard, Haas And Blazers discussed on The Jim Rome Show
"Okay most of the dominoes gentleman a phone in NBA free agency but there's still one big name that everyone is waiting on and that's finals MVP Kawhi Leonard so far today's been much quieter the heat continue to be busy though dealing Haas on white sign to the Blazers for more heartless and Meyers
"finals mvp" Discussed on The Lowe Post
"I think he's in if they win this year, and maybe even if they don't think he's in what do you think? A whole team just they operate. You know, it's funny, I was more of a baseball fan growing up. So I feel like he's hall of fame questions had very defined boundaries, and we would blur them and everyone had their own criteria. But, but you kinda knew with basketball, it's all over the place. And I do think being an essential member of historic core, especially having learned BA finals MVP. Can do it. I mean he just was really prolific for a very long time. Even before he got there back to the numbers. Yeah. Let me back to being prolific now. But he's like he was I mean, you know, we forget he was a guy who was, you know, twenty game eighteen game nineteen to game seventeen every year during prime he, he, he accumulated enough of those sort of raw numbers. So then when it came time for him to be the cloak contributor role player on an essential team. That that's not merely. He he, he did. He did the man thing, right? You did the forty minutes a night, you know, team leading score thing for a pretty long time and was by then. So by the way, was hated in Philadelphia during during that time. Yeah. I mean. Drape peculiar guy by his own admission. Yeah, I, I if I had a vote sure, I think you want to looking at the full, I'm looking at the full complement here. Yeah. Sure. I knows MVP I would've voted for Steph, I've said that, before I think the subtext this entire conversation is I had a big argument with max Kellerman earlier in the season. I think Steph is remains underrated even present day in terms of where he ranks. I think he's he's underrated. I think he's closer to the best player in the league than he is to like the fourth best player in the league. And I've said that many times. And, and I you know, but I think Andre is going to get in. I think he was, so the finals MVP to me makes up. I think it's robbery that he never won six minutes of the year. Absolute robbery. But if you look at all the one time all stars that are in the hall of fame, most of them are in as coaches or international players, like like, you know, one or fewer all-stars, frankly. Then you have some of the Celtics guys from the fifties and sixties like Satch Sanders and Casey Casey Jones who's in as a coach and a player Calvin Murphy's at one time, all star, you know, he's a one time all sorts in the hall of fame. Bill, Bradley, I thought he'd been moral thirteen one time. I thought so too may one according to. I'll double check again. So there is some precedent for it. Although it's incredibly rare for someone to get in with just one all star appearance. I think Andrea is getting in particular, if they would issue, and in the playoffs. I mean, a big reason they've had their hiccups right Houston took them six clippers. That was like a weird series for a hot second. A big reason they are. They are now two wins away from another finals. Is it Andrea has turned back the clock and head? I mean, this is as well as he's played since like his first couple of seasons warriors it's been ridiculous. Yeah. There's some nice playoff numbers. Yeah. Some really nice playoff numbers and his defense. I mean he's guarding the guarding Lillard down the stretch of these games. If not at the beginning of them, and he's, he's guarded Hardin..
"finals mvp" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"I can't respect anyone else's opinion. If they don't agree with this is the fourth best to guard ever. And the question is when Ken and will hardened pass him. I feel like hard and has to win a title. Right. And if he wins the title this year, I think he I I actually think he passes them because he would have an anymore pay right and three second-place finishes weighed only has one top three finish. He's the finals MVP. No six, but hardens resumes. Just more impressive productions better like he's just better. So, but if the title this year it will pass you it weighed becomes the fifth. Title the finals MVP, so we'll have the finals MVP championship. We'll have the regular season MVP, and it'll probably win another MVP or. The best five-year scoring binge of any guard not named Jordan ever. You know, he's basically averaging thirty a game that for five years thirty six game this year. So I think it'd be willing. I can go down that path with the I think apart in. Yeah. I think I think part of wins it NBA title. And certainly be the best guy on the team when he does win in. Then he say that about weight you could say about the one title, but you can't say that about the other two. Yeah, I'd be willing to go down that path. But yet that's fine. That's fair. I think that's I think that's fair enjoyed the enjoy Dwayne Wade departure retirement. I know you'll miss the Gabrielle union sports tweets, hopefully, she'll continue on that front. I know you love when celebrity sports. But what I'm gonna miss is. Having a superstar play in our city. Think about what I told you earlier gate four wins dolphins. Miami Heat's pretty round hanters. Name a player. I dare you. Go ahead, and they won. Who's Ryan Fitzpatrick? I'd named him one earlier Ryan Fitzpatrick Fitzpatrick team. So what's the Stu gods podcast called? It is it is stupidity. Please. Check it out. We release new episodes every Thursday. I am a golf geic it. So I really geeked out this week on the masters, so so check that out. And of course, check out our show ten to one on ESPN radio and Bill is a is a frequent guest on it. And so a thrill for me, man..