20 Episode results for "Filmon"

Being: Less Happy

Daily Breath with Deepak Chopra

04:16 min | 2 years ago

Being: Less Happy

"We have spent most of this week undestanding positively and gratitude, and ho important is for health and wellbeing, but human beings experience, many more complex, emotions, the feeling of regretting failure are two thorns on the rose Bush. We have all grappled with in our lives, but before you fall into that trap considered. This regret is a thought about something that doesn't exist anymore. So regret is not real. It's the imagination. I Bush smelly have not Gretz his in my life. I used to smoke heavily at one time and that experienced start meal all about what it was to be unhealthy. And I've done many things like that that have been amazing events that I don't regret because I learned from them. So everything that happens to you is a learning expense model. It's important to recognize that everyone does whatever they do from a certain state of consciousness and a certain state of conditioning in a sense. Everybody's doing the best. They can from their state of awareness of the state of mental conditioning due to the situation so concensus events history answer. Sisters economics on and on. We could go on forever. So when you truly understand that this no regrets, and there's no judgment either. This allows us to create a quiet mind. And when the mind is quite and inner energies wake up, and they do things for you spontaneously. So if you want to really live fully and the formula the mantras no regrets. No anticipation. No resistance. Just this moment as it is and needless to say failure falls in line with my feeling on regret. If you call yourself a failure. Then you will be failure. Because that's your self image. And that's your self assessment. If on the other hand, you interpret failure as an opportunity to not repeat the same mistakes than every so called failure becomes success Edison failed over thousands times before he had the idea of the dunk Ston Filmon toward the light bulb. Every failure was actually so-called failure was a stepping stone to this discovery of the light bulb in his case, and he talked about and so this is the only way to. Address failure get rid of the word, I substitute the word learning experience than subsitute word challenge. And then substitute the word opportunity, and he'll be all set. You'll never have to think about failure. I encourage you to meditate on this and join our first of many weekly meditations every Friday.

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#B65 (battle dress uniform to baulk)

The Dictionary

11:12 min | 1 year ago

#B65 (battle dress uniform to baulk)

"Hello words you're great thank you. Let's go I is battle dress uniform. Three words Noun from nineteen eighty to a military uniform uniform for field service next is battle fatigue. Two words Noun from Nineteen Forty. Four synonym is combat fatigue and battle fatigued with an E D. A hyphen is an adjective. Next is battlefield one word noun from seventeen sixty nine one a place where a battle is fought number to an area of conflict. Next is battle front. All One word Noun from eighteen twenty four the military sector in which actual combat takes place next is one word now from fifteen seventy. Three synonym is battlefield. Next is battle line two words Noun from eighteen. Fourteen one a line along which a battle is fought number two a line defining the positions of opposing groups in conflict or controversy usually used in plural as in battle lines were drawn over economic policies. Now we have battle mint It is a noun from the fourteenth century. I think somebody should make a mint called a battle mint and it would be in the shape of maybe a castle or a What's that thing called? Jesus Christ a tank. I don't know horses and soldiers anyway. a parapet with open spaces that. Sir Mounts a wall and is used for defense or decoration. Battle minted is an adjective. This is from Middle English. Battlement from anglo-french bottom meant from Bala. What by which means to fortify with battlements and there's more at the word battle So we have a picture. We have a picture of a battlement. So this is I mean you've seen this. You know what they are. It's like a tower and then The Tower in this picture at least has the sort of cut out parts. They goes up and goes down. Goes up and goes down and then below that are like windows. Vertical Windows Basically. So we have three three words here. number one is called the Crenelated wins criminal. Elation goes over to the second line crenelated NHS C. R. E. N. E. L. L. A. T. I O. N. S. That is the part. Remember when I said at the top part of perk goes up and then it goes down then up then down. It goes around like that so the part that goes down that is the Kremlin. The part that goes up is number two. And that's the Merlins are Merlin's M E R L O N S. I wonder if the name Merlin the wizard named Merlin is related to this at all probably not Merlin's Merlins and then number three is the windows and that is called the Magic. Ovation's that how you say it magical relations. I Dunno Oh great my nose is getting a little runny okay. Next is battle royal. I WANNA say Battle Royale but there's no e. at the end So it's just maybe battle royal. Nah This is a noun from sixteen. Seventy one one eight. A fight participated in by more than two combatants. That would did. I read that right. A part of a Fart. A fight participated in by more than two combatants especially one in which the last man in the ring or on his feet is declared the winner What is that movie? The series of books and then movies the hunger games. That's a battle Royale That was I think there was a like a Japanese or Korean movie called. Was it just called Battle Royale I it might have been. That was fun Let's see now. We have one beep a violent struggle and then number two a heated dispute now. We have battleship. It is a noun from seventeen ninety four. It should say a game played by children. But it's not a worship of the largest and most heavily armed and armored class. It is short for line of battle ship. I didn't know that Line OF BATTLE IS HYPHENATED. And then ship is tagged. They're tagged on there at the end line of battle ship. They said that's too long. We can't say line of battleship. Every time we're just going to battleship. I think it's better now. We have battlewagon one word. Noun from nineteen eighteen and that's a synonym for battleship or battleship is a synonym for battlewagon. Whichever way you WanNa say it now we have but two or Basu or something similar This is an adjective from nineteen forty seven. It is of a ballet okay. Third Word in an in a third episode in a row that has a ballet term Actually IT SAYS OTHER BELLY MOVEMENT. The definition is performed with a striking together of the legs. But you and Yeah now we have Batu or Batu again but Well I didn't tell you. The last one is spelled B. At t you. This one just has an e at the end. I'm assuming it's related. It is a noun from eighteen. Sixteen the beating of woods and Bushes to flush game. Also a hunt in which this procedure is used Batu it's so interesting that these two words that have nothing to do with it with each other Except from etymologically. They're both from the the French word. Batra which means to beat They have nothing to do with each other yet. They are still related their cousins. They're very very distant cousins. All these words are just one giant family Just like just like we are just like all humans are all life really We're just distant cousins. So what is the first word? What was the first word that all this stemmed from? Was it a grunt probably? That's interesting I mean not that. We haven't thought about that before All Right now. We have batty. It is an adjective from fifteen ninety one of relating to or resembling a bat number. Two mentally unstable. Synonym is crazy and batting. This is a noun. Ah Now we have I'm GONNA say bobble or Babbel B. A. U. B. L. E. It is a noun from the fourteenth century number one. We have the number one definition for the word. Trinket number two. A fool's sceptre number three something of trifling appeal now. We have boasts. I think that's how it's pronounced or bosses capital B. A. U. C. I S. It is a noun from fifteen sixty seven. The wife of Philemon Filmon is P. H. I L. E. M. O. N. So Philemon and bosses are married next we have bod or Bah bad bod bowed. All those are options. I think B. A. U. D. It is a noun from Nineteen thirty one a variable unit of data transmission speed as one bit per second. So this is Let's he bought his telegraphic Transmission Speed Unit and that is from J. M. E. Bado or bodysuit bod dot B. A. U. DOT. Who died in one thousand nine hundred eighty three and he was He I assume but maybe she was a French. Inventor okay. Now we have Bauhaus Capital B. A. U. H. O. No H. A. U. S. It is an adjective from Nineteen twenty-three of relating to or influenced by school of design noted especially for a program that synthesized technology craftsmanship and design aesthetics. I've heard of this but I didn't really know what it was This is German. The word bow house literally means Architecture House Which is a school founded by George Gropius? Now we have Bohemia Bo Wynia B. A. U. H. I. N. I A. It looks like it's pronounced. Bow Haniya but it is Boania. Well you could say Bohemia and you could say well. I don't know how that letter is pronounced but close enough. Okay now from seventeen twenty five any of a genus of leguminous vines shrubs and trees of the Legume family that grow in tropical and subtropical regions and include some that are grown especially for their fragrant orchid like flowers. This is from Jean or Jan Bohen Who died in sixteen thirteen and Gaspard? Bohen who died in sixteen twenty four. They were Swiss botanists. And I'm assuming that they were either brothers or sisters or married or something. Okay now we have the last word of the episode. It is balk chiefly British variation of the word bulk. This one is spelled B. A. U. L. K. Let's see we think. Well there was a few good options for the word of the episode I want to say that. I'm going to pick battlement as the of the episode because I learned some new words although I'll probably forget them right away That is the tower in the castle with the crenelated the Marlins and the magical nations and that was great With yeah I think that's it as a relatively short episode. Let's go With the time that we have saved. Let's go go help somebody. This has been spencer dispensing information. Thank you and goodbye.

The Tower Batu or Batu M E R L O Jan Bohen NHS Merlin Ovation Marlins Bohemia Bo Wynia B. A. U. H. Philemon Filmon Basu Batra B. A. U. L. school of design Babbel B. A. U. B. L. Bohemia
Instagram Reels vs TikTok vs YouTube Shorts - Which One is Best? #1755

Marketing School

04:59 min | 4 months ago

Instagram Reels vs TikTok vs YouTube Shorts - Which One is Best? #1755

"Welcome to marketing school. The only podcast that provides daily top level marketing tips and strategies from entrepreneurs that practice what they preach and live what they teach. Let's start leveling up your marketing knowledge with your instructors. Neil patel and eric. Su are guys before we start. We got a special message from our sponsor. If you wanna rank aaron google you gotta look at your hate speed time. The faster website loads the better off. You are with google's core vital update that makes it super super important to optimize your site or low time and one easy way to do it is use the host the air. Can i use dream host to just go to dream house or google find it. Check it out and it's a great way to improve your low time alright such day and we're going to talk about reels versus tiktok versus youtube shorts which one is best so let me give you a quick outline on these different kind of shorts style video so tiktok first came out with the dancing videos right fifteen seconds or so now they have sixty seconds and they grew into the big company that they are right now and then what happened was instagram. Saw created reels and then youtube saw and critics shorts snapchat also created snapshot spotlight or snap spotlight their success right. Except i snap. I don't think it's that successful right now. But you know people are getting hundreds of millions of us through youtube shorts right now and surreal at least for me is probably my best before one so we want to talk about which one is actually best depending on your business. Neil what are your thoughts. When i analyze it from a traffic standpoint or view stamping get your traffic but it gets you views brand new awareness. I'm seeing people. Get the most traction on youtube. Because they're really pushing hard and they want that traffic. I see the number two being instagram number. Three being tiktok so on my end. I actually interviewed a guy named jake filmon and he grew his minecraft youtube shorts channel from zero. I think he's had over five million subscribers now so very fast and he's not making any money off of it i mean he's like a twenty two year old guy living in alaska right now just cranking out these spend eight hours for shorts each day like he was cranking out he knows. Look i'm going to build the audience. First and then i'm going to monetize it later so i do think shorts in my opinion if you're consistent with this takeoff i'll speak from my personal experience. My shorts have been slowly ramping up. I've been doing it for about a month or so. Maybe a month and a half. I'm going to try it for another month or so to see if i actually get more views from it. Otherwise i'm gonna stop the experiment but from my experience. My instagram rails. Get the most views that i do. Short my tiktok gets like nothing so this is just speaking from my experience but just keep in mind. My experience is not necessarily like. I'm not spending the most time. They're spending the most time doing podcasts. Like this spending time doing seo on our site. So neil What your personal experience has been so. I haven't done myself. But we've done it for a lot of customers and i can see the stats and the data and we're seeing you to win by far for most industries. Instagram number. Two tiktok number three but the biggest thing is even if i say youtube is better. Eric's as instagram's better. It doesn't really matter. Use them all. You can take the same piece of condom. Put all of them. And you'll get the most amount of us and that's what you should be doing that as the moral of the story with this podcast episode in which don't focus too much on which social platform is a bass when you create content natively uploaded to each of those platforms. Because then you'll get the most amount of us even if one of them gives you one tenth of us as other who cares. That's an extra one tenth of us by uploading the content there as well. So what i would do by the way a lot of these shorts are real fell videos or sixteen by nine so you can throw them onto linked and you can throw onto instagram stories. Facebook stories as well sometimes throw up on. What's app stories as well on people. View them. I think the key here is a happy medium you throw him on twitter. Fleets as well if you want so a lot of these. Have they limit on them. So i think lincoln is twenty seconds or so facebook might be twenty or thirty seconds for a story so ideally sweet spot is you have all these sixteen by nine videos maxine at twenty seconds so you can post it. Do not just three channels or four channels that we mentioned but everything that has stories or a real type of ability. neil. I think that's it. Make sure you go to marketing school dot. Io slash live live always say pro. I don't know why you guys later. We appreciate you joining us for this session of marketing school. Be sure to rate review. Subscribe to the show and visit marketing school dot. Io for more resources based on today's topic as well as access to more episodes that will help you find true marketing success. That's marketing school. I l until next. Time class dismissed.

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DIVORCE: RaQuel Hopkins-Life Coach, Forbes Contributor, HR Professional

In Your Corner Divorce

29:08 min | 6 months ago

DIVORCE: RaQuel Hopkins-Life Coach, Forbes Contributor, HR Professional

"The regardless of how we find ourselves in the world of divorce the one thing we have complete control over is how we behave from here on out. We have two choices. One is to remain stuck in the stories. The anger and pain in the other is to take a breath. Adjust our sale to the wind in work harder than ever before to create a new story for our children for ourselves and for the world around us. It's your choice your work. But i'll be in your corner. Welcomed in your corner divorce podcast. My name is carly israel. I am your host. Hello i ever cal. Hopkins high recoun- carly. I'm gonna do a little intro of the fabulous recall. Here she is a forbes contributor h. r. professional she specifically works with high achieving women who still feel empty despite achieving the world's idea of success. What i love about that. I'm excited to have you on here is that she's going to help. Talk about tangible steps to reframe thinking surrounding what we think. A successful life especially for those that are postive awards are going through divorce. Think now what And one of the things that i read on her awesome website which going included in the episode. Notes is this. We often get so ingrained in completed in life that is often challenging view. Things refresh perspective. It is difficult to fathom digest. The possibilities that exists out there in the world but we are still familiar with operating within what we have deemed safe so long so we have a lot to talk about. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. i'm excited. I'm excited i know i read a little bit about your story that you were on one road in terms of career and then you kind of took a swerve what houches swerve honestly think life is coming back full circle right so i wanted to originally before i got into hr. I wanted to be a psychologist or therapist. Right which is still within the rim of coaching able But i was like. I don't think i'm going to go back and get a master's degree. I'm just gonna go to of business as hr gives me the opportunity to be able to still support certain people long story short. I ended up going back and getting a master's anyway guy had gotten my mba and wanted to make money right. That was my goal. I wanted to be able to make money. And i just felt unfulfilled at some point. And i'm right back to kind of what i wanted to what i wanted to do in the beginning. So that's actually a gift. I think because talk about making money in the word success. I have three boys and we talk about what success is alive because in our society success is really clear. It's having nice things having a nice house. Nice cars being able to do those. Things are wonderful. But as you and i both know they do not equal content. Joy filmon happiness. How would you approach someone that is like our listeners who were regardless of how. They found that they're gonna be divorced. Their whole world of success has changed their family. Life the vision. That stories is over. A lot of them have to have a new career path because they never planned on on this road. How do you help someone when they come to you. And they are stuck they. They feel stuck question. I think The first thing is recognizing that we're all. We all are influenced by societal norms impressions. I don't care how independent you are. How smart you are how intelligent you are at some point on the guide or the roadmap that we choose to follow his based off of what we see and eventually whether it be marriage career money. Whatever it is that you're seeking for success at some point you find yourself when you say. Hey it's not working for me. Isn't necessarily what i want for my life and i think that for your listeners when you're talking about being divorced maybe it is. I mean i know for me. The white picket fence marriage too key. It's not three not one to children right And and that's kind of like the definition of what success is for many people and then when you start to actually do life when an enduring life from all these different transitions to to having kids having to discuss finances to having to disguise Responsibility certain responsibilities. You find yourself. Signed up for this. But i think that We get stuck when we put labels on what things are because who says that divorce is necessarily a bad thing. I mean there are some people that satan marriage is terrible at never wanna participate. I enjoy doing this way. So i think that it begins. What reframing the way that we view things and a lot of it is outlook right so if you already have the perspective divorce is bad. And you probably have that perspective that divorces bad is because you were once defining what success was based off of. Maybe your parents marriage or maybe other friends marriages or whatever society says is successful and usually is not a divorced people. don't Celebrate you getting a divorce. And i think that's where it has to change. If you want to get unstuck you have to define what success means for you your statement that you pick it up for you to said so. I saw some day. When i was reading about you and i love that. You have the word failure in quotation marks. Because i do too. Because i say we decide what failure means and what we i refuse to let my clients call their marriage a failure if they have children because what they're essentially saying failure. The marriage is not a failure. It produced beautiful amazing. Children probably produce some good memories along with some not greek ones. But it's not a failure just didn't work out the way that we thought it was going to work out or the we wanted aunt. But i love how. You're talking reframing. How view things. And that's where we are really connected. Because i personally know lots of doors that are miserable. And that's what. I grew up knowing so when i was approached with that i was like. I don't want that and then we got to like what you do. What i do is we got to say. If you don't want it to change it do something different and totally change it. So when you're talking about reframing that as before you've even take the action rate you're you're starting over from the beginning right you starting over from the beginning and i think that one. He did the foundation of principles. That i keep in mind just with just with anything in life is life doesn't offer any problems. Life is only offering opportunity. And if your life doesn't offer any problems life was always offering us opportunity. And if you're labeling something as bad already or not so ideal urology missed out on an opportunity to be able to see any opportunity because you're so focused on what appears to be the problem and you miss it because you're so yet you're so focus on all the negative aspects are gonna come with it potentially not even for sure but you can't see the positives and you both. No one was you've curveball. You can sit and cry and be miserable about it and just stay stuck in that or you can say okay now. What and you talked about that. And so i wanna know how so the tangible steps. A reformer thinking are we need to reverse the way we view things. We need to look at it as an opportunity. What else out said the other thing too is recognized in pain is inevitable not just say life is always throwing curve balls and pain is inevitable in suffering is optional and it goes back to what you were seeing early carly about choice is recognizing that we do have a choice and we have a choice in terms of how we how we choose to view things. I love it because it's true. We know life doesn't promise i have to say we're about to go deep i. I have a really good friend. Who lost his son and Leave just become really close over the years. And i was talking to him the other day and he said this line that i love and he said it's later than you think and i love the concept about. It's later than you think. Because i'm really. I believe that our time is really limited and we need to live life that we're excited about now and you know everyone's given all these opportunities and some of them are obstacles as they are opportunities but weeded to decide what we want to do with. We get to decide if we wanted to say or grow. There's that whole idea of post traumatic growth though. How are you going to grow from this. So i love this idea of. How do you create a news story. Where you're working with your clients while it all depends on the client right because not everybody is ready to shift and i think the best one things. A coach will recognize that. Maybe this person isn't ready to recognize that. I really do have a choice. Maybe they need a little long. Sit in their stuff twenty. Go go to this really quickly. Because that's the misconception with their and coaching right like at what point do you say okay. This person is. We've been talking about the same thing for four to six weeks now. Okay you're probably stuck in. Maybe i need to refer you out to therapist because this is outside of my school now with coaching laissez. It's two to three. Use your your professional intuition. Two or three sessions and by thirty session. They say you know what. I don't know mckee. It ran up to me the other day and gave me the biggest who and i realized that life isn't so bad I think that it's important not to shift people win. They're not ready that way. You can sitting yourself in whatever. You're feeling so i'm mindful about not rushing to to ship people being detached from the from the outcome of of your clients. And you know that carly as a coach we really wanna let you know that you have george. was but I'm big on sustainable results. Right you want long term sustained than just trying to shift and refrain what you're what you're thinking and something doesn't change inside of you then you're probably going to be right back Dealing with me on the same issues or even needing therapy in that case so I would say being being aware of when a person is actually ready to shift because To get a divorce. Oh he used transition right like everything changes things change for you. Things change rea- children. If you have children. I mean allows eighty kurt. Sorry it you have a dog. I mean it changes. Her dog like everything changes. So i think they're recognizing that you've just went through a major life transition and One of the things that i remind my clients is changes. Constant is always happening. And that's one of the things that we don't have control over. I know people always say focus on the things that you can't that you can't control in Don't worry about the things that you can't control but usually those the things that we can't control visiting net kind of like drives us nuts right of course The folk is really has to be on you changing as a person. It really changing your outlook abuse on life because a lot of what causes us. Undue stress is our personalities. Some people like me and she got smacked yesterday. She as smackdown again. She got back up In some of that is kind of like in your dna personality. And i recognize that not. Everybody has the ability to do that. And then you have some people. That may just need a little bit more to say. I'm going to disagree. I think it's because i've been working with women. Besides in coaching had been working with women in recovery for twenty plus years and. I think that everyone is capable of doing what you're saying it might be harder for others but you and i both know. We don't just wake up like this like we are. What would what. No one sees that. When i wake up. I'm listening to motivational speakers all day long. I'm hearing little lines. That remind me that. It's a choice. If i want to change my life. It's not gonna happen to me. I have to do. The little teeny love you talking about. Sustainable i love that. It's about sustainable. Change because like everyone knows it's ever been in our diet if it's if it's just something you're trying to do for a period of time it's never gonna change you it just moment in. It's about so what kind of sustainable choices in changes. Gio help points. Make a sustainable choices. i Carly i let i let the client guy at me. Like i can't make the choices for you. Because of i'm making the choices then is not necessarily a sustainable and i do agree with you that everybody has the ability to change or or recognized that they do have choices. It just all depends. Only you're dealing with so Whenever i'm working with someone into begin is all about that assessment period right like who do i have. Here was the personality type. What are real goes because you you think that a person is coming to you for for one thing in it turns out to be something completely different so i do more listening than than than than anything I don't know what those choices are. I mean we find out as we bright bill gates. Rehearse saturday so the only thing that would say what sustainable is it has to happen from the inside out yet doesn't happen from the inside out. You're always struggling because life is going to continue to throw those curveballs always gonna to be a reminder that you've gotten divorce is always going to be a reminder that you're now single And what you choose to look at. What your outlook is going to determine. What sustainable for you. So how do you help. Clients change from the inside out. How do you help them out. Like one of the things that idea with my clients. Is i make them do some writing work to envision their life one way versus another way depending on which pass it they wanna take and then i asked them which one they want their outcome to be so we kind of a lot of forward thinking because my i work with on these usually getting through all their past stuff resentments and fears so we can get to like now. Because you can't have the future you want. If you're not gonna decide what you want look like that's what i love that you said order your real goals it. What are you really who even thinks to ask someone who's willing to divorce. What area goals. But that really is what it is. Because what do you want. What do you want from from the rest of your life. I love that. I think that when i even i think i noticed for sure because even me i think there to work two questions that were always asking ourselves. Who am i in western exiting via your voice person your identity. I'm sure people feel like your identity has been ripped away right. I once a now. I am what and then this. What's next what's life actor marriage. Looks like I just forgot the question. I love her. So what i want us. I wanna see me about that. First of all. I m hundred degrees and what's next. So what is so exciting to me about the work that i'm doing is once you get through the junk and all this stuff and you figure out what kind of life you want the. What's next is my empowering reminder that we get to write this next chapter that we might not have been able to write the last one because of the circumstances we place ourselves in or that we were in the weakest to decide going on. It's empowering it there's no more being stuck unless you want to stay there. I love that you told me about it. You had a client that feeling like me talk about this a little bit enough failure. How do you help them see that. This is not a failure. How do you help them through that. I think the easiest way to help someone through a failure is talking about past successes when you're able to talk about past successes people. There's like this light in making your case just trying to to to keep this In line with what. Your audience is Just say you are divorced person and you happen to run into someone with Having coffee you're in the grocery store and having a rough day in near like they ended up telling you about their divorce what people don't realize in that moment they have that conversation and you share you story just you know it's going to be okay. You can get through this. I've gotten through it. That's a pass success And it's empowering sense right. Because if i can do it or by done it before i can do it again. So past successes is the easiest way to remind people that failure isn't illusion because if you have a reminder of how you've been able to overcome heart things in the past Sometimes it's all we need is a reminder of just have situations it appeared har- and then i got over okay. How tell me what's different in this situation that we're talking about today. I love that. And i love. That idea heard it before. About how in order for an arrow to go far it has pulled back a little bit and then they go forward and you know. I'm a runner. Not not a fast runner. And when i did my half marathon i remember a sign and it just said you've got this and sometimes you just need someone that's how you got this because we do like. We have with us what we need. We doubt ourselves because because of the society and the voices in our head. I'm so i want to go to our last question. Because i'm most excited about this one. I want to know how you help clients to become a better. You the question. How do you help. Clients become a better. What is a better you. I mean is that there's a lot of semantics with but is it removal of what we are no longer. Is it finding out what we really are underneath. I mean an who did an absolutely the client is who gets to decide it. Each right gets to decide that. But isn't that ultimately like all of our goal in life is that we want to be the best version of ourselves. I guess i'll just have to answer that from from me right because are like what you said to clients have to decide that But i find that. I'm a better me Working from a very authentic place right getting back to the core of who. I was put on this earth to be in. It's kind of like well in the beginning. That i feel like life has come back full circle for me right. At one point i was chasing the money. I was chasing. Society's definition of what success is. And here i am today Under showing up to me and all of those things will come Without me having to chase anything. Because what i've learned is anything done by forces not sustainable which is acing success in in. You got all things eventually like we we crash in your your burn out in his because a lot of the things that we're doing by four so The best way to to get to the better version of yourself. I always have my clients. We end up doing defining your values but three sessions defining your values because i think now we just throw out valleys. I always use this example of me as a mary woman at one of my values until his family right. But i've never taken time out to define what it means to value family now when i got married. He's like everybody. Like i didn't know like Husband key a dead sister. Like in what order on. So i really had to define what family meant for me. That meant that. Especially as i as a black woman like we had the same family over everything and i and i've lived by for very long time but now it's family over everything as long as it doesn't affect my everything you come second to my husband or sister or whatever it is so i think that a lot of times we because your everything is your immediate family. It is my young. And i didn't know that i mean i quickly tell you that i value family. That's why when you're talking about these values you really had to dig deep In define what they means because most of the issues that we ended up having dylan within life is directly attributed to us at the core. My clients are usually triggered is because something is out of alignment anger not operating within your values and most people don't know what those values are. I love that. So what kind of questions you ask to help them. Figure that out. So i give a list various right so listen i say only five because most people want to peak fifty value years right i value this value that and then i say narrow it down to buy now and then as we continue in our coaching session in. Let's just say we're talking about Families that is on your list in your clients. It probably would be family okay you. You're struggling because family. You prioritize family family's important to your definition of family is Two two parent household plus. So it's understandable that you would be filling the way that you feel because Your value of what family looks like has changed right And then that just carries the conversation a it just all depends on because we're not gonna have the same definition of this word but the meaning doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. Can you tell me how you define the word value Your your internal map. That helps you decide. We'll make decisions. All of my decisions are made for my valley's. Yeah that's so interesting. So the whole entire foundation of my coaching and all the work i do is the north star which is what was given to me by a friend. Who said that would. Sailors are lost in the dark and they cannot find the rehome they look to the north stars. They can guide them and that my children would need to be my northstar and that going forward in my divorce and then host devore's my regular life. When did it know what to do. I need to look to that north star. And i would always know what to do. And that's why i think it's so important what you're doing with values and even more so which makes me intensely uncomfortable to have to list in order of importance. My values like you were just sitting everything unless it affects my everything because sometimes on the line and you have to decide between the things you value and you get to make a hard decision but if you truly don't know what you value then you're never you're gonna make decisions that are not based on your core. Which is how you end up like you. were saying. Being not in alignment so so such good work it makes me think about at one point one hours in the european she kept seeing boundaries. I was like. I don't like that word Just for me. I know that at some point you unique boundaries but i told her like this use different words. Maybe like harmony in alignment because it's more value driven versus me. Having to put up a wall or block. it makes things a lot easier. Because you don't feel that people are coming at you and assist in disrespecting like these boundaries it is from the inside is not necessarily a block that i have to put up here in order to protect. It's so true the where boundaries does bring a negative connotation and even though they're needed it's what i think. You're right reframing at idea for me it's about when underneath the word boundaries and find out what am i really asking for here. It's asking to respect respect of my path. And what i need so that means that our job is user voice to say what we need to do it in a respectful way right but whoever boundaries to his arm but for other people with allergies aren't people is for yourself. And if you're clear about what you value in who you are at the core. You don't even need to talk about it because your way of living in way of doing things like you don't even have to open up your mouth like people understand who you are and how you operate like at some point you get to a place where you don't even have to say anything because it's a give it like a love it away of being. Yes now like. Don't you know raquel knocking to handle that. Like she's not going to be okay with that. Mike by kids know there's certain values i have the air ingrained in the way that we live. They know like. Do not mess with mom about this right. I'm so excited about the work. You're doing how do how do our listeners. Find you so. I am on instagram. I-in i am require hopkins so our q. u. e. I'm saying your name wrong. It's well no that's okay. Everybody says i don't wanna see it. Ron i love it. Thank you and i have. Success is complicated. it's on instagram. 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#142 - Sam Kalawart

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#142 - Sam Kalawart

"Hello make sure subscribe. So you miss an episode you ratio of my podcast if you liked me and you can follow me on instagram. It's yes king offer you buy so when i there's a certain part nights were my brain reached a certain frequency and it's off to when i'm in a deep meditation state without me trying to meditate nba is. There's just no thought so. You become aware that there's no thoughts coming into my head. I'm thinking about anything and you start ringing noise which are just the energies in the room. And when i became aware of that the more focused on the fact that i'm not thinking things to click around me so my tv will just suddenly go. it would just crack and then research and this and obviously the teas made out of energy whatever but also energy as well and the tv doesn't click all night. But when i suddenly become aware. I mean that deep meditation mindset the tv will somehow react to my energy and it will crack and then when i focus on the fact that he's just cracked it does again even louder and this only happens when you're in deep meditation mindset. If you're thinking about staff you say well you hear that he'd be cracking but it doesn't crack because i'm just doing my room watching. Tv it do anything. It's always when i reached a certain vibration like a fantasy. Be the day the minute. I nodded off the tv cracked so a certain vibration of the brain back is in perfect harmony with things around for example and when i get to that mindset really powerful when you just again you you just monk on a rock. That's just the way that it's a way unless it. I love that powerful. yeah what. What's your thoughts on that. So i have experienced that actually. Just recently My first plant medicine ceremony. That i did about two weeks ago now and in the second ceremony i was hearing frequencies really powerfully and i was outside But i could still. I could still hear it outside the window. Just raining or dishonor just hit felt like was coming from the earth. Honestly it yeah. It was like this earth frequency energy. That i was hearing for the first time and it was like right away. I i was alarmed by it. I knew and i understood what what it was. Essentially but Yeah that was a really powerful dirty and itself but that was just something. I noticed that. I can relate to and did you find that you weren't thinking about time. Was it because you weren't thinking for the first time in a world then became aware of what was always there yeah. I think that i was just really toptan energetically. I'm highly sensitive as it is so in both of those plant medicine ceremonies long when i go through a breath work journey. I just become hyper aware of my environment. And of the energy around me. You'll find fascinating. Is that our scores. Somebody not seeing them spoken to them for like ten years let they literally were sawn at school right. This morning i woke up. And i was dreaming about them now. One of seems where there was a story line it was just our member them there and then that was it k. I message i said. Did you think about me. Jim about me unconsciously or consciously today or over the last few days because you in my dream and i knew when i think of people are not focusing on them. That is because they thought of me and she was like. Oh my god. I let him about you. Two days ago chasing me with a knife laugh having a lot now. I think now she's in australia. Like traveling or whatever. I'm in the uk which makes it even more incredible the fact that she's another country. I'm not spoken to us in like ten years and i jumped about her. She bought me two days ago. Like it just shows you the power of dreams when you think about somebody new dream and auntie non-core friend from years ago. Whatever boyfriend. there is a reason for that if you're thinking about it during the day and not doing anything about it so it's like you should singapore s or you're tuning into them thinking of year. But how incredible is that. The fact that i'm picking up her thought never seen in so long. There's no reason for us to thinking of each other. And yet i dream about her a syndrome message and i see what you thinking about me she goes. Oh my god. Two nights ago. I a dream. That is nominal right. Yeah that's amazing and that's why that you said that because i recently i've been having a lot of dreams from classmates that i grew up with and just like seemingly random situations but And people that. I haven't seen in like literally thirteen years but yet in my dream state so yeah that's wild. The next question. I to oscar is. Were you thinking about me. Did you see me somewhere. Somebody mentioned my name before you dreamt about me so it wouldn't just be she's dreaming about may because that means that four by her or she thought about me beforehand. So i don't think i've been thinking about because there's just no need to be my dream. Which means somewhere along the line. She saw me for about me. My name came up right. What's amazing is but a dream. She said i was chasing the knife. Like what the fuck. Why what that means. Something like at school. Lighten your members. Some thing or is it iran. Nothing is random. So what does that mean fascinating. I've all types. It could be why that on the kindest person ever y that and then you could say it goes into how they perceive me at school. So annoying john. Paul because i was up and immature kids. Then i'm annoyed them necessarily people who you fund the knowing you might feel intimidated so the ninth could be a form of intimidation for example and it's fascinating because we had like a love hate relationship because she wanted to be a performer singer and an actor and i wanted to be that as well. She wanted the last word. I wanted the last word so and also growing literally around the same time. We also went to primary school with each other five years old until seven. I'm used to another primary school. Then we came back to the same secondary school systems. Apply being born at the same time of the planet's i said we pretty much are similar energy which is why we could be on the same frequency That makes sense absolutely. I almost think that when we enter into the dream state. It's like this. I don't know if you have researched like astral projection at all or right. And i it almost to me feels like i'm going into a different dimension. Really yes and i think is when you go into the dream state. You're going into everyone else's thoughts that you don't know they are thinking about because you can't see what they're thinking or they're not acting upon death ocean the day. Save you like somebody. You're picking up. They might like you. But they're not saying anything so it doesn't mean they don't like you it's just they haven't said it yet so you'll picking richly up on their thoughts and is i think if there was a projector going into my brain that you could see everything i would want people to say it and i think well obviously the same as everyone else so everyone else also has the same types of force that you don't know about which they do everyone thinking the same thing Madrid essentially have one training into the vibrations. That you can't see where yeah. It's just like a filter harav nonsense absolutely. Yeah that collective consciousness essentially you suddenly think that you're going to sign suddenly attract somebody into your life from school based on the fact we're talking about it now or a dreamy had because it's going to happen ultimately gonna pass mama goes on a podcast which you yeah. I definitely think that's a possibility i. I moved away from my home town. It's only like twenty minutes away. But thankfully i really i don't see anyone. I grew up with But you never know. It could definitely happen. And what's interesting is she. Was you could say more similar to me than most people at school but still nothing like me when off the traveling find yourself. I've found myself in my room. Didn't requites go australia. I think to myself does she know about the attraction pal the mind stuff which means we literally the same vibration or is it simply thinking of the person who i had the most connection with but even then there's still a huge difference between how i think and how they think. Yeah yeah definitely because people at school. They're just people there who just an honest everyone from school never saw anybody again which is one of the reasons why thinking about her is just purely fascinating and it happens with tom. My family at the dinner table and example had a spaghetti bowl and as and it was my mom's one. She's the cook years ago like fifteen years ago right and over the last few years. She's cooks new recipe ones and in my mindset. I'm eating at my dad's go. This is nice and in my mind. Some thinking that's because its original one and then she goes and says a second afterwards. This one i used to do so. I find them when i hold back on stuff. Why sisters in the car. And i'm thinking turn it up. I just don't say. I can't be asked to set. My sister was up and this happens so often that it's just part of life and if anyone was looking in to this saint of life you having a laugh this is not normal how you literally think about something and then your parents say afterwards that is far from normal and you do your god. You feel it's amazing gift which edwin has but when you become aware of thinking something and a second later my parents say it you think this is phenomenal. Because it's not just one it's both and it's happening more and more and more as my energy increases is happening more and more and more and i found that go into bed listening audience books of. There's one missing to you right now. It's code the power of the now will the present moment or whatever. And so you've got like my. Tv goes off the three hours. This is an hour audiobook and my brain is. She listening with no interruptions. No noise the same as he would be hours awake. Probably staying in my brain even more. And then i wake up. We will this knowledge and information. And i'm starting to do it but i realize while wandering it and obviously it's because of what was in that book and i remember sunday waking up two hours off the being asleep to some trick is off like i'm sleeping and it says something it's like the more more you meditate the more you're asia vibration than what you raise your vibration the more your thoughts project how quick they come back and then you're not off again. Mass like be the epiphany moment of i need to be meditation because always amazing abilities came when i used to meditate so long absolutely tapping subconscious. Mind when you meditate um do you have specific times when you do or deis when you're out and about just not think which is meditation so i like to meditate first thing the morning typically to start off my day but the type of breath work that i teach because i still find. I'll get distracted sometimes by like my animals my pets around or stuff coming from outside Type of breath conscious breath work. I teach it is essentially for him to act meditation. So it allows you to shut off the monkey mind and to drop back into the body and back into stillness and that for me has been the deepened. The most deep meditation or connection to my intuition of ever experienced on online as as parrots right and they mimicking dogs bark and right and some amazing about a power because hits disk copying hearing but it has no awareness of what it means right. But they're just so intelligent like we in the there's just humans the intelligent animals maybe a dolphin maybe a dog but if you look carefully most animals you see like a k. They are so intelligent. La says videos of dogs being blamed for Said the other dog weighing on the floor. And you know he goes up to the dog and put sits like was it you and he puts his paws around there and like this head over to protect him. It's like how does that dog no to do that. It's not we've taught in that is not true ability just to go up to him is poor around like it's just amazing like they know stuff without knowing this part was saying during this like movement thing in rhythm to the guy who was behind filmon is like we underestimate the intelligence of pretty much. Everything like jason even ants when they walk along the carrying sticks exactly linden. Yeah yeah. I totally agree. I actually just watched a documentary. Fantastic fungi all about mushrooms. My ceiling modern ground and how even trees communicate to each other and to their seed leans underground through the root system. And it's just it's really fascinating how this consciousness is living. Consciousness is in all living things and us humans. We are egos so big that we just don't realize everything else is is truly connected so apart from humans being conscious and you could say animals right you saying. Do you think the trees and plants are conscious. And then if they are that means that say when a tree get eaten by our so it becomes modern rots back consciousnesses still bad gene. It's awareness the same as our awareness or simply just its energy vibration in terms of awareness. i really believe that it has its own consciousness and awareness when it's living i'm not sure when it. I believe that when it goes back into the earth the you know probably transmute that energy back into the collective cautiousness But after watching that documentary it really solidified for me that they have researched now that for example trees and mushrooms and all these plans are actually communicating with one another which is a fascinating because if you much lock A worm right to me to be that one is alive because it's wriggling and eating right the same as a slug you could say a sluggish the fateh version of the worm. You think about it. That one is just moving. Think about tree or mushroom. It's also just moving. So if we think that that worm as they bug and that's the same as a fly ladybird beetle right and we're saying those insects have life and the worm has life. What if you could buy the worm to a mushroom or trade or plot. It's the same thing it's just simply moving eating and drinking. And i haven't actually thought by glass and you've just said something very interesting because if you think about we think consciousnesses toll king and the winners and intelligence it. I think that what one has. We all have right. There's not just humans and dogs. do dogs com. We will have the same thing we but thinking about that mushroom same awareness as a slug. Which has the same as the lady bird. You're right is the same. It does have maybe not contradictions. Intelligence is not the same as consciousness thing. Yeah yeah. I think so. I think that we just have it. Just comes in varying degrees and forms and of course tree for example doesn't have a mouth and a brain to communicate and to verbalize their cautiousness. But they do in other ways and and they're shutting and a rebirthing through the seasons and when for example i have mushroomed journeys. I've looked at specific trees. And i feel like this tree has a gender has like a personality and so it's really interesting but i think that it just doesn't have the same way to express as we do with our own consciousness. Let you said tree comes from a seed right and you could say into human sperm and the egg. Whatever right humans breathe and oxygen through air. Fish get it through. Gills is to think well. How does the fish breathe. Because it's in the air wrong is the oxygen by guessing. Not whether it comes from air water think about tree it gets it through on the water or son so instantly. There's two ways of getting oxygen. There's fish food. I goes and then as humans say air trees however i get it but that there could be multiple ways. I think about iraq four. We know iraq could have its own forth way of guessing through. I don't even know like there could be more ways of getting oxygen as opposed to just fishing gills and human and lungs do note as any other ways like the tree of third way. Surely you know yeah. I think it just does through like photosynthesis and absorbing the sunlight and carbon dioxide. And all of those things. I really believe that a tree is is absolutely still breathing but in different ways i mean it's roots are deep in the earth. A they're getting nourishment that way and and plus they don't need all of the same elements and nutrients that human needs and so it's a different to the fourth way of gear oxygen apart from like tree efficient human or just animal that easier now. I can't think of any. This is interesting because even so many more that we don't know outset but then surely it can't be that's it because you surely cannot just be three right. no yeah. i believe that. There's an infinite amount of possibilities. But if i find a a massive tree that's like just fallen downright and it's cracked in half so you can see insider what's amazing about that trees. It's like massive fit like a meter long. You look at the lions of each year. It grew right so you have winter and it just doesn't do anything and then there's summer and it grows calera and you let you can count the layers but as you go in. If you say hill. Pass that layer it just crumbles into dust and then you go in words and it's almost like hoes like somebody's bone or bone the bone marrow is the holes in it and then the uae of the bonus the the year of say the treat grim. And i look at that tree. And i break it down the outside and then the holes and then you go into like the the middle and it just pills away like honeycomb right allegedly pills away and look are bone everything okay solid and you think about adding bone broth soup. I think how. How can you put bones in a soup but people eat the bones like chicken bones. Were over have broth. Because it breaks down. Rain goes on the tree. Makes damp and moist comes mud and we e tip so the country and you compare it to a bone it all breaks down the same way and goes into nothing at that is fascinating especially when you look at allows. Wow that's the same as us. We leaning orangerie. But yeah maybe not the same compound even right sure. Is the compound like calcium or something like that but it's not like it's gold and silver. It's metal exactly the same thing. Yeah absolutely. I totally agree. What are you thinking about on your mind lately. Like some in deep four about trying to analyze workout. That you haven't long no yeah i think. Probably the integration of my plant madison ceremony. That's been on my mind the most lately and my experience with Because i've been doing trauma healing for about ten years myself now and i've tried. Every form of energy medicine szymanski lean crystal healing. I'm a reiki master. Cautious breath work mushrooms. And so i felt like i was really ready for i o oscar that next step but it was really really intense and after my two ceremonies. I don't know that i would do it again I experienced very similar states. That i did in that. I do in breath work. These altered states of consciousness. Where memories are coming through from my childhood. Big heavy emotions are coming through. I was holding onto within the body that were being released. But a witten to this space this other dimension. The first few hours that was absolutely frightening. And then i had an ego death where sam my existence did not. It was not here anymore. And i had to keep like trying to touch my body to see if i was still here and just breathe like pay attention to the breath but i was seeing all these crazy geometric shapes and colors i was just in it really really deep and it was a really intense experience and one that after experience at is experiencing it myself i would never recommend anyone to do iowa and less. You're really feeling call to it so apart from apart from activating different part of the brain to gain access. The things that you're running from whatever in terms of the feeling imagine like a drug makes you feel high that difference between not feeling high and being high breath work. Can you say quiet your mind. So you can access information they drug. You could say stimulates that same part. The brain been terms of feeling. Did it give you like a different feeling aside from allowing you to tune into things that you've stored into your brain that make sense. Yeah so besides the with are you talking about the oscar of the breath work. I'm talking about you said you reach these same states breath work because i'm thinking well there's no need to take it. So is there a feeling that you got from my wasco. You couldn't get breath. Work like feeling of cocaine for example are being high so you know it absolutely. I felt this massive heart opening. And i was tapped into this feeling of universal. Love that i very. I've experienced it with mushrooms. I've experienced it with breath work by it was intensified. It was like this of love. That was so big the i just started bawling and my husband was there. Thank god he was wrong side me because he was the only like inker of safety. I felt an entire ceremony but all of a sudden my when i thought about him i love for him. It fell so big. It was the biggest love. I've ever felt in my entire life. And it's it's hard even put into words this feeling but again because you top in energetically you become really sensitive to it and so it was just really beautiful but it came in waves. So i'd go into these really high experienced says and he's higher frequencies of love and appreciation and then i would kind of go back down into something darker and so it kind of came in waves but it was a mentally powerful. Why do you think that you felt that love for him. Specifically to that the amount on. I will scar like jaundice. Did you understand why that made you feel that amount. Because it was he do anyway but a moment where you just wanted to so much more why was it because you went through trauma and therefore felt this amazing need of gratitude and expressed it to him or is it something else. You've worked tyler. How did you pinpoint now so for me. What i felt was that the plant medicine taps you into these higher universal frequencies that are otherwise earthly beings a day to day basis tap into that because were caught up in our own minds and caught up in just the mundane tax of our day. And i believe that we all have the ability to tap into that that deepened love but it ultimately means kind of shedding away. Some of the ego self. I so. Because i went through this ego death where everything. From day to day life melted away and my ego completely melted away so any Judgments i might have frustrations and resentments towards him completely. Dissolved and all i was left with was love and i believe that one of us at our core. That is what we are and we're all connected to it and we all have the ability that is truth to tap into and again it typically does take going into these alter of cautiousness and kind of dissolving away the ego or the monkey mind in order to do so but i believe that's why i was able to feel into that for him for the first time in a really long time and it was really beautiful. Says like all the negatives in the positives are in our brain right the lower of operation. You could say best stored in box one behind the vibration. They're stored in box seven. So essentially the drug amplified the feeling of love and gratitude for everything and everyone parents boyfriend whatever and at the same time. It also brought to the attention of trauman ship that you'd stored away so it just amplifies everything when your brain lays everything on the table right literally all in one go hence you go from the love to the warmer to lots of drama because it makes you face everything in your brain and your job is to separate the bullshit and enhance the good stuff and then bring that foods and then focus on that more right. Yeah absolutely everything on. The medicine is very black and white. So if you start thinking about something scarier negative you get sucked down you start thinking about something really lovely and in of course the music And then byrom has so much to do with this. But then you you go into this higher frequency. So that's why it's yeah a lot of a lot of up and down through the medicine journey but through breath work. I've experienced the same where i'm crying. I'm releasing a lot and it's really sad and there's grief coming through and then all of a sudden towards the end of the journey. My heart just cracks wide open. And i just feel this immense gratitude and appreciation love for everyone and everything in my life and i start crying tears of joy because of that have experienced in meditation as well. Do you think i will say is meditation tons of what you doing different too breath work. Is there a significant difference where he can do one. Or the other i meditate. I don't necessarily breath work as soon as two different yeah different. Yep yeah totally different. So conscious breath. Work journey is very similar to a plant medicine ceremony. Where when i'm either guided or guide a group of people or one hundred client. It's in a ceremony setting and you have to lay down completely flat. You have a mask over. Your is typically. I give people. Healing stones are hold onto crystals myself and in your guided into this circular pattern of breathing. I don't know if you've heard of hot tropic breath work. It's very similar to what i teach where you are breathing in the circular pattern with no pauses between. You're inhaling your excel in this pattern of breath brings you into an of cautiousness within ten to fifteen minutes. And for many people they begin to access the subconscious mind and in particular that part of the brain from our childhood zero to fourteen. When we're in this egocentric stay of cautiousness and worse absorbing everything and everyone into our environment really deeply we begin to access that through breath work and we begin to release that. Which is ben weighing us down and also taps you into your higher guidance or that consciousness that is guiding your path and so you receive a lot of insights clarity through the broth. And so i again. My breath practice has brought me deeper than any. Meditation has in my life. But i typically will do just a short silent meditation for myself each every morning and focusing on the heart energy center. But typically when i go into a roth were journey. Do that two to three times a month and that is always guided by facilitator serve example. Wim hof yeah we is is as you said consistently with no gaps. But it's probably not that intense. Your breath workers just like it's in and out but it's slow speed serov than in stoppage east. So it is constant i'll show you dunaway Women off breath. Work is more biohacking the nervous system for biology and your overall your overall physiology where conscious breath work the breath. I teach is more for mental emotional and spiritual well-being so it's different in that way it's still lies is the body. It's still hacks the nervous system for sure. But this is more of a breath to spiritually heal you and to top you back into your higher guidance and so the breath modality there's several i teach 'em trained in three different types of conscious breath work but one that i do oftentimes with people is in through the mouth excelled through the Hot but you're breathing for forty to sixty minutes upwards of different breath patterns of three hours. So i've been in a journey for two and a half hours before and so that's why you go so deep and why should always be guided by facilitator and never done on your own. So when i do that when i reached the point of that blood rushing t the head. Hi you've come lightheaded. Drive that last four. Say a minute or so right. Mass an amazing feeling you sing with the breath work for sixty minutes. You reached that same. Let's call it a high but it's consistent and it lasts for a long time and it might not be as intense but you're still on that highness that you would get through the wim hof. Yeah yeah absolutely people we call it getting high in your own supply. So people feel or in the cosmo's after breath work but also because for them. They're releasing much energetically emotionally spiritually You feel so much lighter afterwards. Many people i would say nine times out of ten. And when i lead workshops and retreats almost every single person in the room is crying at one point during the journey. I haven't done this for example of when i did Balloons and i was younger. Say a i missed a whippy canister put it on a blurred the same feeling as What people have when they go give birth. Wherever that's called right. That feeling to ahead expanding. I haven't done acid. Imagine it's kinda the same as acid or lsd where you just get like filling your heads expanding. Now you're saying how iowa got you the same feeling that breath work. Did i totally get that. But you don't need the drug to stimulate that part of the brain because just doing breath work can stimulate that part the same as we need. I drove rogan. Says you can activate the d. m. t. through delina meditation wherever. You don't need to have the dmz right which is absolutely true. The are does would would score the t do anything to set foot to me for example. Because i haven't got any. I've dealt with my trauma so it's like a wouldn't get any bad dips so one. Is it worth doing it. Can i really benefit in any way. And what will i say. We've got nothing to bring to the surface. Yeah so i. I would say. Try breath work. I try conscious breath work because it is essentially the same type of journey without the vomiting nausea and fear and or ego but absolutely so many people at the retrea with my husband. He has no trauma from his childhood literally. He had the pitcher perfect childhood and so he went as a way to just raise his overall frequency and consciousness and he absolutely did that so for him. The journey was not nearly as intense It wasn't as nearly up and down as mine was his was more constant and for him. It was a really pleasant experience so even though he did purge allot and bowl ceremonies. He was left. Feeling just really connected internally. He felt it gave him a lot of insights. It does this beautiful thing of just like breath. Work connects you to your higher guidance. So shows you what you need to do in your life in order to move forward it shows you something that you have in your life maybe a habit or a thought pattern or a relationship that you need to release and let go off And it just allows you to receive that clarity that you need for your life path along with continue to raise your consciousness and your your frequency and i saw just in that one week. Huge growth happened for him in this up leveling of his consciousness which is really cool to see someone like trauma for someone like me. It would do something it definitely would do something right like it did for your knowing what he did. Has he done The mt or iowa scar. He's done as breath work as well as compared to. Yeah he said the exact same thing. Yeah he was like. This is exactly what i got from breath work and it's funny because years ago when i first got trained conscious breath work. Many of the other practitioners. They're that were training alongside me. They had already done plant medicine and they were just trying conscious breath for the first time and almost all of them said the same thing. They're like this is like an iowa ska trip except for without the medicine in the purging and everything else And the fact that you feel more in control if any point within the journey feel activated you can just stop the breath but when you take iowa you can't do that. You're buckled in for the long run. The for the journey And other thing that. I have seen breath work that i didn't experience in lhasa. Is that through. Breath work When my chaka's begin to open weekend. I'll see the color in my mind's eye so i'll see a lot of purple as my third eye begins to open. I'll see yellow as the solar plexus opens. I didn't experience that in alaska. I didn't feel like my chocolate opening. And said i just felt like i was in this pool of geometric shapes in neon colors but i never felt a specific chakra healing happening for me. You know when you say maybe when you're younger and you're in your room or whatever and your face is on the pillow. You're pushing your hands on your eyes and you'll seeing this like flashing movements when you sneeze and you see stars yeah we'll you see different colors now. When i when i was young i push my hands on my bose. I could see light purple yellow different colors and it just to like flash and move. It was almost like electrical storm. Is that what you mean but when you see colors putting pressure when yes yes exactly so when you see those colors that is symbolizing you tuning into that. Specific choctaw. so like the yellow solar plexus read for the root chakra the most common one most people see especially doing energy healing on them is the third is so purple. Is the civic simple. you know. you've got a peggie scale. What the sofa case go. Yes they arrive and you get the rainbow which is red jelly pink and blue or green. It's all to do with that. Same spectrum vibrations. Yeah yes is that why that example the popo hang on the red for example. Yellow the early prac- unless you say that the has the most energy over heart whatever the heart and the garden and say delivering the brain right. You put into all of the most energy you say. Put that into the piano cd. Efg say red blue green. Let's just say. Read has the lowest negative energy. I have wherever but then purple plus the highest energy. If for example your solar plexus gives off the most energy then you could say that should be the color. Which is the highest migration. It's always going to be that color because it sorta vibration color but he's always going to be the same color. Does that make sense. Yeah it'll shut the blocks in the wrong order. Could you see a different kind of until you raise it. you know. Yeah so. Many people will see different colors depending on the healing session and so for example and some breath work sessions. I have seen each color of the rainbow so all of my chalk. Rose were opening in others. Icy only one color could be my heart shaqra or my throat and blue comes through and i have seen the same with my clients where i'm working on them. We're doing breath work. We're doing energy healing. And they will only see one or two colors typically at the most. so those are the main chaka's that are healing or opening an awakening at that time off the any question. The something that you don't already know so something that you trying to work out. Yeah so what has been the most transformational experience in this life. So far for you so going through loads of trauma you think deserve wise. It may want i've to trauma and then you compared to other people seem to just be normal life and then you dig deeper into their life and you realize has that she of shit going on but just know in the same way. So it's a constant cycle of things going wrong and family issues and everyone's gotta problem was disease in. Everyone's got their so it's like they might not have the the problems we had where they seem to fit in and be normal to everyone else individually. They've all got shitty problems right. And you think wow. There's no such thing as why got problems because everyone does. It's just to the extent but the for your problems. Were the more enlightened g become so it's like you have to go for that shit said the deeper the whole the higher is to get out its benefit and then it's like well. Does everyone have to go through. Are we supposed to go through it. Why happens if you don't make it do you. Are you always to make it based on your energy and then once you reach that energy you look around and then you understand everyone's problems and your own problems and then once you are out with that you look back and you can remember how it felt to be trapped and you say great for your free and you just have i was i ever gonna get free. Let you when you you go back to that time when you were trapped he like. Am i ever going to get free. And all of a sudden waa as the clouds just suddenly stopped raining. And then there's the beach the oceans go free woodlands and swamps and crocodiles in his fucking ghetto. The sudden just beach ocean blue sky. And it's like. Wow this is it. And then you realize the importance of life is just the evolution of the young and the young the negative the positive that sun. And then the right and mike. It doesn't come without the other and then you realize well. Even though i had a lot of problems. I've essentially freed myself. Everyone else has smooth problems. But they're so small. They can't grasp it to fix it. So it's like. Wow i'd actually rather have a big hole. Spent eighty trying to get out then have a small hole and not know how to fill up and then realized wow actually is the beauty of life to appreciate everything you've got to kind of have the worst to appreciate the best buses investors. That's why i think anywhere. Yeah absolutely. I completely agree with thought. And like i said. I've been on this journey for ten years healing and for me. It was healing chronic illness and just allow trauma from my childhood. And what i thought was five years ago. I've healed at all. I have it all figured out. I'm good to go. And then i discovered broth work and then i realized i don't have it all healed. I don't have it all figured out because each time you breathe this way. It brings you to those places or poll something up from your consciousness or from your spirit that still a core wound hasn't been fully released yet and this is what mushrooms and iowa showed me as well as i definitely don't have all of the healing complete yet and i think that even meditation because i'm tapping into these higher frequencies and this energy of love and appreciation. I'm not going into these dark spaces so it can be this illusion that you're healed your good. Everything's gray but then when you go into some actual shadow work and your guided into a ceremony in this way it's really profound And i think for many people who have chose this journey. It can take a lifetime because you're not just healing your trauma but it often is ancestoral trauma because i know for me for example in my iowa oscar ceremony. I was processing all of this trauma from my mom and from her childhood was showing me all these memories from her childhood and how that had been passed down to me and why i was so physically ill growing up as a child all the time. Because i'm so highly sensitive that all of her shed got passed down to me and my dna. And i was. I was born with a and it was my job and is my job to process that. So that when i decide to have children i don't pass the down to them and the i he'll i believe when you do this work you are healing. Not just yourself. But you're healing your entire family so it's is definitely not for the faint of heart and so big responsibility but it's absolutely really beautiful journey and absolutely leads to higher states of consciousness like you said not questions. Do you believe that your chronic illness without needing to say what it was is a result of the energy vibration that you were born in based on your mom's vibration and it could be based on her mom's whatever but based on her vibration and it's something that did wouldn't have existed. Because i believe disease exists in a body. That's a disease where i wouldn't have existed. If she had dealt with her trauma the question number one absolutely because from being very very young. I can only remember always being sick and finally fifteen. I developed Bell's palsy facial paralysis. Half my thesis paralyzed for six months out of nowhere. The doctors couldn't explain why and then again at twenty four and then. I was diagnosed with lyme disease and it was just one thing after another after another even though i seemingly live this perfect healthy lifestyle and eat like a plant based diet super active take supplements yet. I was getting sick sicker and sicker and sicker. And it was. When i was unraveling all of my trauma. That all of these issues started to come through And i'm finally kind of on the other side of it but absolutely because my mom. She wasn't ready to have me. She was only twenty four at the time and she dealt with a lot of trauma and so did her her mom and so did my grandmother's mother and they all also had terrible relationships. And it's just a lot of toxicity So absolutely so you can't just lead chose to hear yourself and then you saw a k. I'm i'm done right. Will you consciously blocking the stuff that you knew was too painful to fix or was it so deep in your brain that you didn't even know that that problem existed. Because it was when he was so young. Or you blocked it so well that you know where to look like did. Did you consciously no. There was more to do or did you only realize that because the drug activated that depart the brain. I only realized that. I think that i think on some level i knew there was more more work to be done more. Yeah exactly how how i was. I went back to a coming to win. I think i went back to zero. And i went when i was one. What happened when i was one. Mckay said i to be like this active energy twitching. whatever and then the nursery k. And the momma to go through. Because i was a child who is doing this type of share and then primary school right and then bill a timeline of everything and i saw myself from of film perspective where it was like the start the middle and the end and all of it was doing this and oliver did that and then all of his parents this and rivera and then i saw it from a momma's point of view and then i realized the k. What the problems were and then like you said you held yourself so you don't pass it on your children. I luckily new q. But i was like. I was because my mom didn't do homework. I actually held my mum by knowing how i help myself and doing it to her without her asking about her wanting to i forced on her so if i need that distress she was putting on herself through. Not knowing where fucking anything was in this house because of just shit everywhere. I put the jaws in order. I pull the covers in order. I everything in order. I bend multiple items are brought everything out that had to be shoved in a draw. I put it on the side. 'cause i have such a mess. She didn't realize that that was not their five minutes ago. But because it was there she would then deal with this as she sat on the bench. You put that in a bench. He put that there should there. I knew somebody used to a cpa mark my friend from school. He was the happiest kid loving family such a happy kid. He bell's palsy and he had that strike on his face and then arm and telling me before he so unhappy with his job. He wants to leave the job. He didn't lead the job. He must have been in that head space for six months before he left the stress. The lack of sleep is manager saying this. He lost his so his personality disappeared. He became is unhappy kid from a very happy kid right and the happened to him on a somebody. He was a site manager. The pressure of running a site he got whether it was stroke obel's palsy but he lost his hair and his eyebrows. I couldn't believe it. So i realized the power of what stress does your body right. But the lime disease thing right. Justin bieber has lime disease. I put lime disease comes from tick right or an animal. Did you get it from attack. Or did he create it through some other means. So i don't we came from the bowels thing was so bell's palsy and lyme disease is actually related comes from one of the co-infections boya our bartonella can produce facial paralysis. And so likely. I had lyme disease at a very young age twelve fifteen. Yeah and so. It's it's all tied together. And so i grew up on a farm. We're always going hiking. We're always in the woods. So i absolutely could have gotten it from a tick But for a lot of people they can have light wine but it lies dormant in your system only comes out during times of stress and i was under tremendous stress in my childhood my adolescence and then working in a really high stress job at twenty four as property manager so absolutely i believe that's what kind of triggered it all to come through. Get antibiotics to treat lyme disease. Yeah so that's only option if you're able to treat it within the first thirty days have knowing that you have lime. And then once it goes chronic in dormant You have to go through other modalities of healing and so so for some people it can take them ten plus years to try to heal disease before they're over it but i did all kinds of crazy. Holistic practices breath work bean. A huge part of my healing journey of healing all the trauma and everything from that from beaver dam therapy where i was stinging myself and live to coffee animas and protocols within a year i was able to heal it and i know one hundred percent healed because i spent sixteen hundred dollars on a blood test out of europe agrees to get that clear diagnosis and they tested for all the co infections with and it came back negative so anymore no and that was without using antibiotics yup correct that was through different healing holistic protocol so herbal protocols when yeah and the be the bee venom therapy and a couple of different iv therapies but yeah all kinds of holistic protocols you should do charts justin bieber because he only made in the last year or two by had this is incurable. As far as people are aware without a form of medicine or natural manmade. But you can't just get rid of it right once you've got well. People say it can go into remission but that you always have. I don't believe that stretch leave. You can heal from anything. Because i've seen radical readmissions within my myself along with family members but yeah it's one of those things where it is treatable. It's just really tricky to treat and it typically costs an average line patient anywhere from thirty to forty thousand dollars out of pocket to treat it so when it stays in your body almost like k choi vera example about we'll go to aids until it does it's just there what does limes due due to you. Say if you didn't leave me what do so it's different for. Everyone and how it affects you for some people. It's all neurological and affects the nervous system. So they get. The paralysis could be the face. Some people literally end up in a wheelchair because they get practices in different parts of their body or they it turns into like mass or fibromyalgia. It's a lot of autoimmune types of condition. So that's why it's so hard to treat because it can show up in so many different ways and people where it could be something as small as just chronic fatigue and brain fog and got infections to something as big as and enough in a wheelchair not knowing what's happening to your body so it's all over the board and that's why it's so difficult to get proper diagnosis. What was the main form of healing that you put it down to that. Pushpa got rid of their as opposed to the other stuff did look the main one that that was at bs at work that do work but this did. Yeah honestly i. I did an entire podcast on this but for me i believe it really was the broth work. I really yeah. I went to costa rica and i was doing conscious. Breath work almost every day for an hour. A day guided and i had all of these miskel experiences in the breath working ceremonies where my physical body was healing. And i don't want to get it get. It's kind of you know out there. So i don't wanna get too much into that but ultimately i believe that under the right circumstances your body can heal. If you're for example not constantly in fighter flight the sympathetic nervous system. So if you're in that paris pathetic state if you're extremely at peace and calm within your body and your also nourishing at you're giving it the herbs it needs and everything else to heal and to combat the bacteria pathogens then it can. Under those circumstances come back into the oppo stay says most people who are trying to fight chronic illness. They are chronically stressed out mentally and emotionally. They cost so much stress in their mind about their illness. That it is only making matters worse so when i went away and i was doing breath every day i allowed my mind to stop all of that stress about the illness and then i was able to overcome it and project my mind into the future of how i knew my body could be back into vitality and wholeness. I mean huge believer of doctor dodo spence's work and using cautiousness to heal the physical body and that's essentially what i did with breath work. That's amazing you should reach out to justin bieber. Riot was management breath. Work person can hear his lime disease. Just imagine the platform you get. You didn't come across that very often like new about it. Then he'd be doing it but obviously he doesn't know about it because not many people believe in holistic medicine anyway but yeah no. You've actually proved it. You should you should descend email because the management right. They deal with everything but you dated respond to everything so they will read. Martin wanna get response right but something like that and explain your work and what you do and how you had it for whatever and you get it quickly. Then you more likely to by say fifteen years and i've argued it literally. That could be a blessing you know. Yeah i i'll do that for sure. hit anything you wanna promote right now. I know i guess if people are just interested in broth work and kind of topping into these altered states of consciousness. I run by monthly virtual Ceremonies the zoom and there are really powerful way to experience this work for yourself from the comfort of your own home. Instagram say instagram. My instagram is at sam. Cala word and My website and my podcast actually is the he'll podcast. My website is just sam calvert okay. What was going to press. Howdy thanks to me episodes. You could remember to his right and review the episode. After you've listened. I'll be fantastic and also subscribe so when already sydney one you've got an identification and also plays stay friends on site shows a bouncing ball cost now on. I'll be back later. I have a great day speeches syrian.

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May 17, 2021

Cyber Security Headlines

07:14 min | 4 months ago

May 17, 2021

"From the sea so series it cybersecurity headlines. It's monday may seventeenth twenty. Twenty one insurer. Asa hit by ransomware after dropping support for ransom payments branches of insurance joint. Asa have been struck by a ransomware attack. The avalon ransomware group a. v. a. d. o. n. claimed on their league side that they had stolen three terabytes of sensitive data from axa's asian operations. In addition there was a dido's attack against a global websites making them inaccessible for some time on saturday on the attack comes just a week after. Asa stated that they would be dropping reimbursement for ransomware extortion payments when underwriting cyber insurance policies in france dark side said it lost control of servers and money a day after biden threats. One day after. Us president joe biden. Said the us plans to disrupt the hackers behind the colonial pipeline. Cyber attack the operator of the dark side ransomware group said they had lost control of their web servers and some of the funds they made from ransomware payments stating that crypto currency had been withdrawn from the gangs. Payment server opinion varies as to whether this was a coordinated take down by us authorities or a route that will allow the gang to return under a new name. Ceo's could face jail time for iot attacks by twenty twenty. Four gartner has warned that as many as five percent of business leaders could be held liable by two thousand twenty four due to increased regulations around so-called cyber physical systems cps's such as iot an operational technology stating that the financial impact of such attacks on cps's resulting in fatalities could reach as much as fifty billion dollars by twenty twenty three. Tell filmon research vice president at gardner states that many business leaders aren't even aware of the scale of cps investment in their organization often because projects have happened outside of the control of it. She says technology leaders in the organization must step up to help c. e. o.'s. Understand the risks that cps represents an why more budget needs to be allocated to operational resilience management in order to secure them. Colonial pipeline did not tell ceasar about the ransomware incident. Cease did not have technical details about the colonial attack. As of tuesday morning of last week. The agency's top official told senators at the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee. Meeting held that day in fact the only found out through the fbi with whom they have close information sharing relationship. Although season was forgiving about colonials lack of communication one republican senator in attendance called the attack quote potentially the most substantial and damaging attack on us critical infrastructure. Ever end quote referring to the fact. It's shutdown withheld. Its daily delivery of one hundred million gallons of fuel products and prompted the biden administration to declare an emergency triggering the environmental protection agency to issue. Its own emergency waiver now. A word from our sponsor trend microbe. Do you want to discover new ways to simplify and strengthen your security will join trend micro perspectives. On june sixteenth where industry experts and practitioners will share deep insights and real world examples. On how security can play a pivotal role in accelerating your digital transformation. Featuring speakers from gartner forrester es g aws and microsoft to register visit trend micro dot com forward slash perspectives. Cloudflare wants to kill the capture. Those irritating tests that require you to look at images and pick out objects such as cars. Bridges or traffic lights put friction in front of their users. The company stated equating it to five hundred human years of wasted effort per day. Their solution is for users to use a hardware security key that is plugged in or tapped which provides a signature that delivers cryptographic attestation to the challenging website for added security. The key must authenticate with the fido alliance to establish person hood. Ibm says chip shortage. Could last two years following up on a story. We brought you on this topic recently. Ibm president jim. Whitehurst now says that many firms have seen production delays because of a lack of semiconductors triggered by the pandemic. the shortage has been exacerbated by surging. Demand for tvs and gaming consoles while consumers are stuck at home paired with shutdowns of factories. For the same pandemic reasons ibm licenses its microprocessor technology to the world's biggest chip makers such as intel. Tsmc and samsung whitehurst told bbc news quote. We are looking at a couple of years before we get enough. Incremental capacity online to alleviate all aspects of the chip shortage end quote ireland shuts down hospital computer systems nationwide after ransomware attack ireland's public health care system known as the health service executive or hse. Shut down all of its computer systems. Nationwide friday after hospital administrators became aware of a cyber attack late thursday. All medical equipment at arden's hospitals remained operational according to the irish times but registration and record keeping reverted to pen and paper. The nation's ambulance service continued to operate normally and covid nineteen. Vaccinations were still taking place. Parts of the disruption were still occurring as of sunday up to pilot secure cloud instance in response to solar winds. So will use some of the six hundred fifty million dollars. It received through the american rescue plan to test out a new way to secure agency cloud instances brandon wales the acting director of caesar stated at the security and government affairs hearing on tuesday that one of the real lessons out of solar winds was the exploitation of cloud. Environments will quote stand up a secure threat hardened cloud environment we will pilot that out and then promulgate the reference architecture across the federal government to help improve the security of cloud environments for all of our federal partners end quote. Thanks for listening to this episode of cybersecurity headlines if you're looking for more expanded conversations about the biggest cyber security issues facing organizations today than you need to check out our c. so series of video chats held every friday at ten. Am pacific one pm eastern. This week our chat is all about hacking the speed of business digging into how security professionals can gain parody the speed of a high growth business. We've got a preview video of the chat up now over at so dot com and while you're there click on the register for video chats button to join the full discussion on friday. I'm steve prentice reporting for the so series cybersecurity. Headlines are available every weekday had to see so series dot com for the full stories behind the headlines.

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Topic Modeling for Customer Insights at USAA with William Fehlman - TWIML Talk #276

This Week in Machine Learning & AI

44:26 min | 2 years ago

Topic Modeling for Customer Insights at USAA with William Fehlman - TWIML Talk #276

"Hello. And welcome to another episode of twin. We'll talk the podcast y into interesting, people doing interesting things in machine learning and artificial intelligence. I'm your host Sam Charing ten. You are invited to join us for the very first Tuomo con conference, which will focus on the tools technologies and practices necessary to scale the delivery of machine learning and AI in the enterprise. The event will be held October. First and second in San Francisco. An early registration is open today at Twitter, con dot com. Again, that's t w I m L C O, N dot com. I can't wait to see you there. All right, everyone. I am on the line with Bill Filmon Bill is the director of data science at USAA Bill. Welcome to this week in machine learning. Thank you, Sam. Thank you for inviting me. Absolutely. So we were originally planning to connect at the strategy conference in New York. But you unfortunately weren't able to make it due to hurricane Florence, actually did everything work out. Okay for you with the hurricane. It actually did. I mean we at beginning of the week, we had a zone of uncertainty that included where I live and then as a week progress, we shifted south so luckily of misdemeanor area but Silla created a lot of uncertainty and drama and preparation for it. I bet I bet so at the strategy conference, you're going to talk about topic modeling, and we're going to dig into that in our conversation today. But before we do that, why don't you tell us a little bit about about your background? Sure. Absolutely. So as you mentioned, I'm the director of data science team at USA, which is the United Services audible automobile sociation, and my team conducts research, and applies advance in a local methods and support of our context of set our operations that serves twelve point four million members and how I got to that position. My background is in mathematics and. I hold a bachelor's and mathematics of masters and applied mathematics and appear in applied science and my applied science dissertation was in the area of computer vision. And so what I did in my dissertation, I developed a method to classify nine heat, generating objects, and thermal imagery. And that work actually led me to an opportunity to work in an autonomy incubator at NASA Langley research center after I retired from the, the US army. And while the time incubator, I worked on a multidisciplinary team, I was doing computer vision and what we were doing was developing machine intelligence software for crude systems. And that actually that computer vision, worked is what led me to my efforts at USAA involving natural language processing. And so what I'm doing at USA is real. Really looking in large corpus of documents and under trying to identify topics, what I call unknown unknowns really the things we don't know what we don't know. But if you go back to my computer vision really computer vision is looking at frames of imagery, and each frame as a matrix, where each value within the cells, and the frame or either grey level values or RGB red green blue. And when you look at natural language processing emerged dealing with large volumes of documents and along with those documents the terms or vocabulary that are involved, so I'm gonna take those large corpus documents along with their vocabulary, and I'm going to put him in a matrix. And so I'm really either when I'm doing computer vision or if I'm doing language processing. I'm applying the Ciller types of mathematics, which involves the calculus, and, and matrix, algebra probability and statistics to both types of application. So it was it was a really good fit from. What I was doing with computer vision, and then transitioning over to natural language processing type work that I'm doing at USAA. Oh, nice. Nice. And what is the what's the motivation for doing that kind of work in support of a context center? What are the kinds of documents data that you dealing with? And what business outcomes, do they help dry for you? Good question. So at in our context center. So we got the call channel. We also had were agents are talking to, to our members on the phone. We also have a chat channel where members are talking to our our agents as well. But also, we have digital channels such as dotcom and mobile. So these are very large volume of both unstructured and structured data and what we want to be able to do is gain insights in this state to better serve our members. And this is where actually topic modeling comes into play. And what? You can think of topic modeling as a way to what I like to say uncovered the unknown unknowns, you know, there's, there's the things we don't know what we don't know. And what topic modeling is unsupervised method that helps us discover those topics that are emerging, you mentioned a chat channel are you using a I as part of delivering that chat and mostly asked him because this concept of discovering, the unknown unknowns seems like it would be really helpful in identifying, for example, topics that come up in chat conversations that you might need to create, you know, intense and support for in your chat system. Yes. Absolutely. So what we want to be able to do and what we're doing is, you know, you have chat in the chat channel you have conversations. Between our agents are members and same thing with the call channel and what we want to be able to do is identify topics that are emerging before we reach a p call volume and that way we can say mitigate members concerns before we hit that peak. Call volume as an example, if there's some kind of force fire, for example, and in California or a hurricane, you know, as we start seeing conversations about that we can use topic mile and get a better understanding of the needs of our members and we can be able to be ready to provide the services before we even reach any kind of p call volume. It's, it's really being more proactive than reactive to the after the fact. Okay. Okay. So you've got this data set that comes from the is it coming primarily, or solely from. The chat and Email interactions. Or are you also transcribing a voice support calls? What all how old is your or how do you generate your data set? So the, the champ course that's through the chat channel. And that's that's taxed that's written between the conversation between agent a member. And then the actual call is a transcription. So the call audio is transcribed to taxed, and so we would be able to obtain that data which we get it, we, it's redacted. So it's all any kind of personal information, identifiable information, confidential information, over members is removed, and then we'll be able to run topic modeling on that to be able to gain those insights, one approaches to topic modeling dis so the proto or the methodology that I use mainly is nine what's called nine negative matrix factors ation. So traditionally within the area. Of topic modeling there has been mainly like three methods which one the first method is, is one of the original methods, which is late and semantic, indexing, or lane semantics analysis. And what that method does it takes a documentary matrix. So you can imagine these very large. And by the way, when I say document what I'm meaning as a any kind of unit of text under analysis. It could be a. It could be one chat converse. It could be a chat or it could be a call transcript. I it could even be a tweet or, or some other kind of unstructured data. But so we're take you're gonna magin this document term matrix. And along the same rose are all these documents along the columns are all these terms. So there's different methods that you can use to decompose that matrix, and other matrices and be able to gain insights and a mention the one of the regional methods is lane, semantic indexing. And what that does that uses singular value decomposition to decompose that documenter matrix, into three other matrices, and so, but the criteria with that method is that it's creating or the matrices that are decomposed into our orthogonal vectors within each of those matrices. And so that is a concern because a conversation. Shen is usually includes more than one topic. We could be talking about hurricane Florence, but we could also be talking about other topics involved as well. And we wanna be able to distinguish those type topics and with latent, semantic, indexing usually has an issue doing that, because of the orthogonal malady, and the in the matrices that decomposes into another method is when we before we continue, disaster jest that the this latent semantic indexing might be better used for smaller documents like a tweet or an individual chat message as opposed to an entire transcript of a call or an entire chat. Interaction it could be a tweet it, but it's usually as probably best applied when you don't have overlap within a given of different topics within a document which would be sort of a could be tweak, because you're restricted the number character seriously. Talking about one topic is that kind of inherent to the document or to the set of classes that you are looking to associate these documents with, for example, or meaning if I've got a, a news site, and I've got an I have, like some, you know, strictly delineated like a set of fight categories of news, like, you know, health and finance and sports that are, you know, orthogonal l- does that mean that I can use Ella sires have more to do with the content of the documents themselves as usual as probably more to do with the content of the document themselves, the selves because you could you could be talking about if you had like a large corpus of tweets and let's suppose at they're talking about World Cup and Anil. Olympics. If you take all of those tweets and you just put them into one bucket than the latent semantic indexing might do okay with the, the tweets since they may have been talking about different or the different types of topics, and it may be able to distinguish them better than a say a call transcript that could include multiple different topics. And so it makes sense is taking a step back. These, I'm thinking about my, the example that I gave where I'm trying to put documents into topics, and that's a different kind of problems more of a categorization type of problem. Whereas what we're doing what you're we're talking about here with topic modeling is like an unsupervised learning. I you just have the data and you're trying to identify what the topics are in the data of that. Is that right? Absolutely. And you can think of as a form of soft clustering. Okay. So with the k means clustering, for example, that's a form of hard clustering where it's actually taking a specific document, and categorizing it within a specific cluster. But because we know that a document could include more than one type of conversation or topic or theme. We want to we don't necessarily want to hard place that do a hard clustering to place that document within one specific cluster. What we would rather do is see how well see how many topics are or existing when that document and then say, what is the probability that this document is associated with say, topic, number one. What's the probability is social would topic number two, etc? So that's more of a soft, clustering would as what topic modeling will do for you. Okay. All right. So late and semantic indexing is kind of a traditional way the folks might approach, but it's got this limitation because it enforces that these terms be or thug. Ota one another so doesn't perform wall when your documents have multiple topics in them. The yes, absolutely. And so other couple other methods that worked pretty well is one a traditional method. It's called Leitner Schley allocation, which is more of a probabilistic type method Bursch based on the distributions and it does pretty good. But what we have found is that because it uses Gibbs sampling, which is more of a random selection of the terms and the documents we, we see a tendency that the topics results vary from one run to another. And so that's where I sort of lean more towards the third method, which is non. Matrix factor is Asian. And what that does takes the original documentary matrix and decomposes into two other matrices one being a document topic matrix in a topic term matrix presumably, because this isn't using Gibbs amp Ling your results, given a particular, corpus are more repeatable. Yes. Yes. So with a non negative matrix factories -ation what it's doing. It's, it's more of an optimization process. So what it's doing is decomposing, that ridge documenter matrix into the two other matrix matrices, and the goal is to minimize the air between the original matrix, and the product of the other two as pretty reputable does a pretty good job that providing results, and also the that you can run over continuously run. And now when I hear matrix factors ation, I hear hard desire. Does that is that necessarily the case or you know, maybe hard to scale is maybe more particular, do you find that to be the case or are there methods for doing this matrix factories -ation that are computational -i tenable at large scale so large scale, does pretty good as you know, with using very large corp- assizes, I guess, the challenge can be when you start getting it running it on, like near real time data online data. Okay. And, and that can be a challenge. But there are different methods that can use the original topics, and then do some kind of resembling of the new topics or new documents that are coming in, and then grading them in so scale ability to large corpses isn't really actually big deal. And you know, the time it takes. To do this can be a big deal. But there are some methods to overcome that. Yes. Yes. Okay, so interesting. So, you know, we've talked about this document term matrix, as being the starting place for all three of these topic modeling methods. But we haven't talked about how we even get to that how we represent the documents in this term matrix. That's their different ways to do that. Right. Sure. So there's, there's a pipeline for this process. And so what we do is, we want to do some kind of preprocessing. So we may want to of course. Token is the documents. So each term is a single dimension, but we also want to remove things like the stop words, so the common terms like aid, the, the high frequency terms that may not be able to give us give us very good insights with the topics of the subject. So we. Remove those as well. And then we may want also apply some dimensionality reduction techniques. So there's of course when you work in with a large corpus of documents, the dimensions can be very large, and that interferes with the processing time as well. So there's dimensionality reduction techniques that we can apply what I have done in the passes. Do a single phase or stage where I'm running topic modeling to help reduce the dimensions across all the documents as a preprocessing step as well. As what's an example of dimensionality reduction technique that you might apply to this stock document term matrix. So what I what I do usually as far as dimensionality reduction technique is I will run nine matrix factors ation, on the entire corpus using two techniques, one one is term, frequency forming a term frequency matrix, and the other frequent or methods using term frequency, inverse, document frequency and so turn frequency what that's really doing is forming. The original document term matrix that based on the frequency of terms whereas term frequency, inverse, document frequency is looking at the frequency of terms within each document. Also looking at the, the frequency of term across all the documents source are, like offsetting so of. Very high frequency term, that is existing across all the document may not receive as, as much weight as if it's high frequency, but only occurring across a few documents. And so what I'm gonna do is I'm going to run doc, the ninety matrix factors ation on the entire corpus at first and get and reduce my vocabulary size from say hundreds of thousands of terms to possibly down to a few hundred or thousand terms and that is just the preprocessing, and then I can go ahead and run. Get more refinement running topic modeling further on on those documents. So how does doing your matrix, you non negative matrix factories -ation on the larger? Document term matrix. Get you to reducing the number of terms. So the it goes back to the original decomposition, so the non negative matrix factories -ation is decomposing, the Rijo documenter matrix into the two other matrices, which are the document topic matrix, and the topic term matrix. And so what it's going to do is you can reduce the number of terms based on the, the number of topics. So if you have so what's going to do is, if you look at the topic term matrix, it's given you the strength of association between the topics and the terms where so that if you have a term that has a higher rate has more of a higher strength association with the given topic. So if I say, look at the. Top one hundred terms within a given topic. And just consider those terms as part of my vocabulary that I'm going to use then that will give me some kind of reduction dimensionality reduction as opposed to using all the terms. If you're looking at say these top hundred terms on a for a given topic, are you then kind of zeroing out terms, back in your document term matrix, in kind of creating more of a sparse matrix? Or are you changing the shape of that matrix based on this new information that you have so sort so it does change the shape? So what is doing is a minute, be my initial run with nine negative matrix. Sectorization is going to create a new document term matrix, but only include those terms that will have the highest association between that I had originally from the preprocessing run with topics. So it's what it's really doing is, it's, it's given me terms that are more relevant when I run subsequent topic modeling. So just to, to kinda pull on his, you know, one more step. So you've got these terms. You've zero out, you know, so you've got one hundred thousand terms and you've got well, how many topics would be typical in your case? So, so that's a good question. Actually, that's a, that's a sort of an open problem, the number of topics, but I do have we have technique that we run. It's to compute. What is a coherent score interpret ability of the topics. And what that running the coherence will do allow us to identify sorta like the optimal number of topics that we need to run. And so is this on the order of tens or hundreds or thousands for, you know, a corpus of documents? Well, maybe give us a kind of. General numbers for each of these things. How many documents do you tend to have Tennessee rough order magnitude how many terms, how many topics all? So it could be I mean, we could easily running say fifty thousand documents through the, the topic modeling and one run. It could be more, but usually around fifty thousand the number of terms, of course you know, that's it's going to vary. If we're running creating a topic term matrix on a call conversations than the calls can vary from, you know, couple minutes too many minutes. So the size of the corpus's can vary as, as well or the documents various, well, but it's, it's all I mean, the only limitation, of course, is the, the processing speed to that. We're working with when you are identifying the terms that are most meaningful. That on a topic by topic basis. Or is that across the corpus specifically, I'm asking about this, this step, where we're doing the dimensionality reduction that so much like the meaning of the topic itself, and the, the coherence, specifically when we're look doing that dimensionality reduction, and trying to get from our hundred thousand terms down to a hundred is that on a per topic basis, or is that are you looking at the hundred terms that have the most weight across all topics. Does that question make sense? Yes. So the, the final vocabulary is based on the terms across all the topics that were used in the preprocessing phase. Okay. So you've got these, you identify these hundred say terms that most strongly correlate to these topics that you've identified that kind of as. My question I guess that I've been trying to get to the long way around, if you doing it across the all of the topics then you can just kind of get rid of all the other terms in your document term matrix, as opposed to if you were doing it on a topic by topic basis than you still have kind of this potentially large sparse matrix. Yes. Okay. And so this, this resulting several calorie in this preprocessing that we just ran based on some topic modeling to identify the, the top terms across all topics across the entire corpus. This vocabulary says what's going to be used in the subsequent topic modeling? And that's the dimensionality reduction you mention Tf idea and term frequency how do those play into here again. So in the in the subsequent steps, I'm just going to be using TI Tf. There's really so in the preprocessing when I do the initial run for nine negative factors ation. I run usable techniques to identify the vocabulary the term frequency in the term frequency inverse document frequency. But once I identify vocabulary and the subsequent steps, I'll just be running the Tf, which the difference between the two methods is that the term frequency? It's looking. At it's really assigning equal weight to each term. And so it is it's looking at how forgiven term, how frequence that term occurs across the entire corpus. But really, there's no difference on how applying the, the weight that weight value to term, as it is determined be. But the, you may have a term that it's a high frequency, not only in a given document, but a very high frequency across all the documents so that specific term may not really give you much insights, and the topic of the conversation. So the other method, which is term frequency, inverse, document frequency, sort offsets at it will look at not only the frequency of the terms within a document. Also, how frequent they frequent that term occurs across other documents. So it will give a high value when terms, for example, curves many times with a. Small number of documents. And that's what I use the subsequent topic modeling as well. Then you mentioned the coherence score. What does that help you get too? So you can think of coherence, as a measure that captures the smack interprete of topics, and it's, it's based on the co occurrence of topics or topic words, and where that's important is that when you when the topic bottle, or say, non negative matrix sectorization is creating these categories consisting of these topic categories that are consisting of terms. We want the analysts to be able to look at those topics and say, I get I, I understand what that topic is about, and that starts getting into interprete, and you want to be able to generate a coherent score that is going to provide you a good semantic interpret. Ability of topics. And that's it's that sorta like cohere score is a function of the number of topics. And so what we have done is I defied the number of topics that will maximize the average coherence across the corpus and what's the intuition for Canada the math, you know, the score itself, what the coherence scores saying. So it's based on co currents of words. So there's, there's a few methods that are are used. But what it's doing is it's, it's looking at the counts of the number of documents containing, like a set of terms, words, and using that and it's also could taking consideration. The log rhythm of that of that count. And so it's, it's you the closer for the specific. Coherence, score, that I'm using the closer that value is two zero the more coherent, your topic is and the more negative value is the less coherent. It is. And so what we want to be able to do is identify the one number of topics that will maximize coherence. And then that's the number topics that will use. And, and be able to compute to the topic categories also coherent scores for each topic category. Okay. And that number of topics that maximizes, coherence is going to be ultimately based on the relationships between these terms in the given documents in the corpus. Yes, the Kokori's. Yes. The relationship between terms. Okay. Do you have any kind of rules of thumb that you've found for, I guess it really depends a lot on the types of documents? But for is there kind of standard, you know, safer, call transcripts do have any rules of thumb where it, you know, it ends up being on the order of, you know, hundred of hundreds of topics as opposed to, you know, tens of thousands. So I've actually this is probably surprising. But I've actually rule of thumb is between five and eight topics is a pretty good value to get into good interpret -bility. If you start getting larger than that number of topics, and you start losing the coherence. How does it fail? Like are there patterns in the way of fails like, does it pick up words that, you know, just aren't meaningful in the sense of, you know, not particularly additive to understanding what the topic is of a given document or is it trying to, you know split topics too? You know, fine, fine grains, or their words that are kind of similar that should be one topic like Zahra. D do you see patterns in the way it tends to fail? If you have too many topics, I think, what it will try if you have too many topics, what it will try to do is spread. Yes, read those terms of across more more of those topic categories and therefore you start losing the interprete. But, you know, when you when you're doing topic modeling that goes back to the purpose of it, you know, it's doing soft clustering, so it's, it's definitely possible that you're gonna see a term existing and more than one topic category. You know, for example, if I if I have seven documents and, you know, for the documents are talking about financial banks and three of the documents are talking about riverbanks more likely you're going to see the word Bank across those. All seven or all the topics, but you're probably gonna give us still be able to distinguish the topics because you're gonna see things that are talking about riverbanks and certain topics, and you're gonna see things that are terms that are so shared with financial banks and other topics. And the reason is, is because it's based topic modeling is based on co occurrence attorneys. So you're gonna see a lot of commonality of terms that are co co-occuring together in those given documents placed in a specific topic, and it does pretty good. It does really good. Is there a way to identify what the primary topic of a given document is that just kind of ranking the topics based on some score probability? So that, that's a very good question. And that's actually one of the purposes of doing the topic modeling as well. So if you go back. The, the original decomposition, it's taken that document term matrix, in decomposing, it into a document topic matrix, and also the topic term matrix. So the, the topic term matrix is giving you the strength of the sociation between each the terms and given topic so that if I'd say, I take the top ten terms for a given topic, which top ten terms, being the ones that have the highest weight of association with a given topic that gives me information about what that topic. What is the theme that given topic? But the other matrix document topic matrix, what that is doing is giving you the strength of the sociation between each topic and given document. And we're that's important is that goes back to a conversation. So if you, you and I are having a conversation where probably going to be talking about more than one topic, but we may want to identify what, what's the primary topic. And that's where that, that doc. Topic matrix is important because it will allow us to identify the topic that has the highest value or weight, which is the highest strength of association between that topic and that given document, and I can look across a given corpus in run topic modeling on hope to transcripts across a given corpus and I can be able to identify not only the topics of conversations across all the documents. But also, I can identify which documents had topic one as the primary topic of conversation. You've done this factors ation. You've got this document topic matrix, in his topic term matrix. Can you then take this topic term matrix, in kind of use it as a, a model that you can run inference against when you have a new document you kind of put the through year your term pipeline to get the terms in that document? And then you kind of. Ply. You multiply it by this topic term matrix to get the, the topics in that document sorta like subsequent modeling subsequent. Right, right. So trying to get the topics in a document that you didn't. Maybe the, the, the question that, you know, the question before this is does this topic term matrix tend to have strong predictive value for documents that don't exist within the corpus that it was created on his is not like a technique like supervised learning where you're built into the process you're testing against data that you haven't built your model on ESO. I what you can do is so that the topic modeling is definitely unsupervised machine learning method. And but you can think of as being a precursor to a supervise method. So you could really take the top the. Topic term matrix that is produced from this nine Mitch sectorization and look at each one of those topics that are as an output and, and label them you can provide a label for each of the topic. And then, then create a supervised model say with a deep learning model that is able to classify a new call into one of those topic categories. And then if you say go below a given threshold of probability, perhaps, maybe it's a new topic, and you might want to put that new topic or that document Societa that one fellow threshold into a bucket and rerun topic modeling on it. So you can almost think of this processes a feedback you're learning new topics and integrating them into a new model. Updating the model in the net models. Making supervise models. Making predictions, and that if it is. Able to predict a new document based on a given probability of puts it into a bucket and reruns topic modeling on it. Given that you have this limitation of five to eight topics in order to achieve interpret ability, or coherence is there is there a process through, which you might you know, if you've got a large corpus of say, several hundred thousand documents or even you know, this fifty thousand document corpus cluster, your documents or partition your documents and create separate topic models, you know, so as to maximize the number of coherent topics that you end up with I think you could you could definitely do as a one of the initial steps, you could create rules that would separate the documents based on the structure data the meta data. And you know, you might be able to for, for example calls, you know you if the calls are. Going to the Bank within the Bank, you know, they may be going to deposits or or or checking or something like that. So as initial step, you might be able to categorize those calls, and then run separate topic modeling on each one of those categories you might be able to do really just it's matter of looking at the structure data before you had separate them. And then once you got those bucket of categories. Run topic, Molly on them, so you would have different topic models. So which is adjusting his as opposed to trying to do it in a machine. Learn kind of way take advantage of the, the meta data if you will that's inherent in your problem to partition up your documents into, you know, I guess there's a sweet spot. Right. As small a small of corpus as possible. But that's still allows you to create a robust topic model. Absolutely. Really, what you're working with is semi str-. Data. You know, you're, you're working with the structure data in the meta data and also of course, the unstructured data, which is taxed near really gate buying the to Bill to. Do the topic by leeann for so you do this topic model and you get these topics, you know, five to eight topics from corpus of fifty thousand transcripts or chat. Call attached Kranj grips? How do you then integrate these back into the call center operations to improve them? So for it goes back to the example, I used if we're identifying topics, there are emerging before we reach a p call volume while we're able to do is the be more proactive with the topics of we may be able to create better or inform our agents of these, these topics that are coming in so they can be more prepared to mitigate any concerns or better serve our, our members we may build even. Make adjustments. If there's if there's confusion about something that's say, on the mobile channels, you know, either dot com or or mobile, we mailed to make adjustments on those under those different channels, because we're starting to see topics that are associated with those, and then that also in turn could decrease any volumes associated with those concerns, but it's really being trying to be more proactive to better serve our members what rather than reacting after the fact, and do you find it the initial steps of this process, where you doing dimensionality reduction end up being at odds of it with trying to use this as kind of an early warning system because they get rid of emerging terms that might not have yet achieved some kind of critical mass. No not. Really? I think the how we approach it. It's able to identify the most significant terms in its able to capture the most relevant topics. It does a pretty good job. It's able to surface, the things that we don't even know you know, go back to the unknown unknowns, all the things we don't know what we don't know you know as able to surface, those things. So we're able to take action on them. Awesome, awesome. Are there any open challenges or problems that you see recurring as you try to use decipher models? I would say there's definitely opened problems. I think that choosing the number of topics is still an open problem. I mean I mentioned that we use the coherence score to try to maximize coherence. What is the number of topics maximize coherence, I still think that's an open problem. An appropriate corpus size. I think that's still an open problem as well as the, the document term matrix, you know, there's, there's different weights that are used in a documentary matrix, such as the term frequency and term frequency, inverse, Stockman frequency. But I think there's more room for developing new weights and doing more research in that area. And that, of course, I talked about coherence, coherences interpret -bility of topics, but I think also determining the relevancy of topics is really important because, you know, something could be interpreted will, but is it really relevant, and we need to take action on it Bill. Thanks so much for taking the time to chat with us about this. I'm sorry that she didn't get a chance to present. His strategy shore, folks would have enjoyed it, but as really interesting stuff. Well, thank you. Sam once again, thank you for inviting me. Absolutely. All right, everyone. That's our show for today. For more information about today's show, visit twiddle AI dot com. Be short visit twin will conduct com for information or to register for twiddle con AI platforms. Thanks again, to see three for the sponsorship of today's episode to check out what they're up to visit c three dot AI as always. Thanks so much for listening. And catch you next time.

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073: Why It's Not Hard To Change with John Kenny

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073: Why It's Not Hard To Change with John Kenny

"Hey guys it's sti your host of life Podcast where people with all sorts of backgrounds challenges own life experience. Show us how they make their relationship. Extraordinary guys thank you so so much for keeping me updated on what she needs to relationship has done to your marriage. I literally smile every single time. Someone sends me a message and tells me how it changed their relationship. If you don't have yet go right now. Genius relationships dot com and you'll think me leader. Hey guys hope. You're having an awesome day today. We've got the relationship guy on and i'm really excited to get right into this. Because he started off in counseling and then moved onto coaching and mix the two of them together to create the interpersonal relationship coaching. Thank you john. Candy for banger. I'm really intrigued by this. Because counseling and coaching are usually onto opposite ends of the spectrum. How do you work them. Both together So i use the self rarely when i had the counseling counting myself for two years and that gave me a really deep understanding of where my issues kind from how i felt about things. But it didn't help me to move on. It didn't saw shake him from the patent. Though i was eight nova having pray much disastrous relationships self sabotage meyer life. Coaching was able to go. Okay now you understand this survey so don't do about so when look my clients. I used accounting side of things to help to stand way. They come from and in the coach in his life. Okay now we know where you come from where we're going. Which the counseling. You're not really directing the therapy the therapy directed by the Whereas the coaching is much more interactive mall kind of suggestion and interactive. You go and try this and see how it works. had you feel. Does this work. Does it not work. It was something the economy here. You're not really supposed to do in counseling. That's not what you're trying to do anyway but for me it was like a really wanna introduce this because it gets people out of that stuck spice. Yeah yeah yeah still. If someone listening wants to get to know themselves better understand why. They're having served a pattern behaviors. How could they start talking about that. you can try them a book festival which would be but a as about self reflection is about understanding your story. So why might you think. Conceal the way that you do. If you can start to understand how you relate to people what your relational patterns are are you relate yourself what you kind of believe saw what meanings you give to things then you can really look at yourself looking at yourself helps you to have a much wider picture of kind of general human behaviors. Well because if you can understand why you're doing thing you can understand why the people might be doing them as well So especially when you're in a relationship you go do this because of the glenmont they do and rather than then saying this is a problem so i would have thought the issue was solution and having that deeper understanding of how people might be well can stop. She taking things personally as well. So if someone's acting out in the way we have a tendency to than to say you make me feel like this. You do this tonight out like that if we have an understanding maybe why they're doing it or questioned why doing helps us to come together to connect because we're showing interest and understanding one another and stops a lot of the friction and kanda regressive stuff that we might exhibit so generally someone triggers many into my old stuff. I might feel that initially. But because i'm aware of what's going on me now back i don't wanna feel anymore. What evading while my navy biding that which is allowing me to feel this way rather than acting out in a way because my failings something. Yeah because when you're trying to understand yourself and you're trying to understand someone else why they're behaving that ways for different purposes for yourself it's to change and for someone else it's to understand. I mean they're both understand but not to try to change them but they're doing this because there's a reason for it so i like the part that you just said that once you know where it's coming from then it's easier to go and flip on other person and understand why they're doing that. If i know the if you the wash the dishes i feel like you. Don't care about me. Then that's going to cause a problem whereas Wild you wash this is a very mundane kind of thing will then another. It's not about me when i can take away from myself from asaka. What's going on for you to makes you not want to be doing that. All these making you act that way. Oh do what you want doing and not gonna explode with you again. That gives me an understanding of you and it stops me feeling bad going into the spice of my own understanding that i feel that way in the first place wishes night with me to do was i've noticed the triggered on to some extent quite within me and they me to explore the kind of the biggest situation. Yeah okay so now. If i know where. It's coming from an understandable him behaving this way. How can can it go and change my story on it so that it's different because it is just a story you'll story as informed your opinions your beliefs your perceptions of the meanings that you give to things but you don't need to do is in full joe values your principles differ things that yo- experiences will influence. It's up to you to decide whether this is the way you continue so because you've wasted if the white because you've always activism my. Does that mean it's good for you. Does it may says positive campus on if it's not it's just ride stein on the blank pages i if that's holding me back. Oh that's making these relationships Whatever it might be. What do i need to in order to move forward. One-stop doing this. If this doesn't serve any i don't have to. The city is my choice. Plans would usually driven by need or habit. We get stuck in these cycles of behavior and we know there's an alternative. I'm just because we may have to do. It doesn't mean it's good for us doesn't mean it works so is about addressing nasa cutout of myself and my hive is my understandings and then i could give a different meaning. I can move on and start doing it in healthy young now. That's really hard. It someone go and start actually. Doing that is not okay. Why are you saying that. again becomes kind of pay neuro linguistic programming. I tell myself some is going to be off. Yeah that is true. It's going to be easy. It's a process you start at the beginning and the beginning is by find. The white working mcleod's is. I need to understand myself if i was to show you some algebra. You're going to be out to do algebra if i show you if you understand how to do out. If you don't understand how do algebra you go on comedy use it so if you understand yourself and you understand how the people look you can then. What was that stuff. And i always find. It said they need a lot easier to accept something. If you understand it you might not like it very much so some of the things that might be happy tossed your causton people listening. He's gonna be upset saying it's okay to be sad so to say that wasn't very nice spike but what are the impacts of at space. Okay do i allow now that spice to continue or do i do something differently. Yes i didn't like it very much. Yes he's had this impact on me. But actually it's affecting my life from this way and i don't wanna do that anymore. Wall mile toads. So i i always find if we can understand the pat citizens we stand what's really going on within ourselves. We can really except That i can process the emotions if i need to. If i haven't done that and then i can say is gonna do something else. My choices can start to open up different avenues. moving forward. What works doesn't take these steps he. Brian doesn't change very much. As you said it can be quite scary. Your brian loves the certainty. So that's why we get stuck in these patterns because you choosing to do what is always done for some people. They don't care. They get changes bright those much change in their brains really comfortable with that. But you take it you on price and you put things in price noah it feels better doing it. This way Do this also. The counseling is a long process. generally With the coaches is much shorter prices. But i found that. We've counseling me in the past. One of the reasons why shifted as well as we get to some point names like what do we want to do now and people weren't ready to chine joel. That was what procrastination too comfortable being in the spice they were in full and then the country can. We just edged up forward into finding another way to do things so it is easy to implement small changes. Yes like you said it's a process and it's about taking small steps. But i'm sure there's some people listening who are going to say it's a process but it's a hard process and i can't just go and like myself and tell myself that it's a process and just couldn't take small steps and it's gonna be all right what these health such people okay so with deliver beliefs then beliefs saw the must pao thing you will ever have. You'll brian is bored and survival. Vote so your primary function of your brain is to keep you alive. This is why all the essential functions such as heart beating and things of that are automatic things so when a belief can override needs to survive which it does doesn't people kill themselves terrorist by themselves up or whatever that might be you can see how powerful the belief is so he's about addressing that belief. So if i believe it's hard is because i'm telling myself somewhere inside that maybe i don't want to do it by brainy sang. One do that and he about said okay with each just. A belief is not the truth. What the truth is will ever to. So if i want this to be simple for one mike this easy for myself. I ran but he. He's a coming. Those blocks may be that you'll in your mind the is going to hold you back and that that's part of the process that i go through as well as the clouds will all the things that are gonna stop you. What was going to make you feel so uncomfortable. What don't you believe about yourself. The is going to be hard to start. Except so for instance. When i started changing my self belief it went from pre much rejecting. Everything bound me to the when i started talking nicely to myself. I had to start with something like you know. What johnny ronconi. Because my brain would've accepted anything else you've autism j. John you're also moyo great fantastic. You're really good and worthy and you're good enough my brain monogam- you not so. I started off very racing. For which is you. Know what john new york and i just kept saying to myself everytime i would ever do stumbling block horse in south. Dow a minute to say galkina morning. Look in the mirror was the lateral nations around the house euro. Okay open the covid john. You're just to get that message into my brain and then eventually it was. You know what really good. You're a great person and now it's joni a frigging awesome about with a different effort so when i need to get myself a little bit of a booster derides look in the mirror nights. I say that and i believe it. Wow like you said it's a process. He takes the most apps and eventually get there. We actually went much deeper into this in episode fifty. Two tom corner on why affirmations don't work and how you can go and make them work similar to what you're just saying right now guys if you haven't heard yet here it or maybe wanna i finish this episode and then comeback. Whatever you want. John household is counseling and coaching affected. Your own relationship so i went from having relationships that made me feel unworthy of good enough the nomad. Why did he was never going to be enough and stopped me buying into the patent. So when i met my wife i was dating for a couple of weeks before. I'm not gonna see her again because you didn't by clio pan so nicely this could be. This could be what you're looking for. This could be really good. This could be different from everything else. You've ever allowed yourself to have in the palm. And it was elvis Married to get marital five. If for that was having lots difficult relationships the relationships were good. I would ruin. Because i did not have to be healthy spice and the had a lot to do with my stuff as a kid but my space is a child was to be by myself so whenever i would into relationship with someone i would always feel messy for late because day by myself without was very unhappy Really wanna be. I would always look at because that was my guy to spy so i'd always choose relationships with which would take me through the same types of unhealthy atms with them would lead me to be bomb sell for the end whereas most comfortable avon. I was very unhappy. And that's what. I shifted away from thought. Okay i'm not gonna do that to myself anymore. Going allow myself to connect to so many different. Might i was avoided about tach. -ment theory Attachment so whenever i go to somewhat i would shop shop in hawaii Side of me. And i let go avoid attachments. What to connect someone deep level Game but guy for that price assists of just token to myself This i won't. This is how i want my relationships to be from now on facebook No allow in my life move forward and i put those changes in place to allow that even to change. How long were you with your four. We were together two years before we got married for now recruiting here so right before you got involved in. The coaching was that she coaching. But i wasn't specifically focusing on the so dragged as a coach two thousand twelve. But i haven't so in my life ow. Do you ever try coaching. Your wife is the is the right word the that she said to me before. I wish i was married to you and then you could be my coach case. She likes any deal it she does not sure like is the word but she she finds what i say valuable sometime but yeah they're on certain aspects of what she does what she's done in the past when i with you about maybe doing on any other options or view of young white feel that providence. He coaching Sign acc is as a form of helping to understand why she is and she finds. She does find us from the occasion all the time. She just don't coach me center off tech. Yeah definitely now. What advice would you give to someone who wants seven extraordinary relationship so to have extraordinary relationship is about changing knowing. What is your and only allowing in your life so if you want a relationship which is this. Then it's about you saying. This is what i want for myself. This is the kind of person that i want to be with. This is how i want to fail in a nation chip and allowing yourself to bring someone giving off that kind of energy. That's going to try that kind of again. That's what's good about the healthy patterns of relationships. Is you chevy attract to help the person toward if you've got unhealthy maladaptive fans relationship jaffa tendency to transcend tarps and pads time. Because you're trying to but you'll giving out and what used to so to have the healthy. An extraordinary relationship is about tanka. This is what i want. And that's the thing that i come across a lot with my clients. Would you want to go. i've never really full about. I don one but have pro problems but may not what we've done what we always Want your brain scan. I tracked exactly. Yeah so if. I'm looking for someone to avoid someone who's abusive. I'm looking to avoid some white looking out for abusive faithfuls argon. Avoid them again. So if i can shift that i saw what robin looking for someone who's not abuse if it's someone who's kind and caring that shows on a priority it gives me the level attention but looking for and then you'll start to look for the wrong things in people and give off that kind of game much become comfortable with yourself unhappy with yourself. Then you'll attract someone who's happy and comfortable with the at so was welcome. It's recently about dating the guy. Dieting and i had some sessions dating the deicing countries. Ten men to wear mosque to put them Foods i would say would have. How does that work when you attract some of the they only see all this image of yourself. You're trying to put try as what you really need to do. Is be comfortable with who you are and then put down there and if you put that person that your comfortable without the person that is with you wants to be with the your comfortable with. And they'll be comfortable with us. What oh so you can always be yourself or as often as possible. You can be yourself at night. That person is because you are vagueness. Hopefully your offense itself will bring out their fence itself. Start going your problems kinda showing that and then you can have that kind of extraordinary relations when you say make it really clear. Do you suggest they make a list. They discuss it with their partner. Has they go about it yet. So you can make a list. I can even if they can't think of what they want. I think of what they die. Want to just put the opposite down and then focus on that list. Dot is i want. I want list away and just focus on the one list. Yes discussed discussing with your partner if there are things that you're not happy with within the relationship if Person and you need things to change. They will hopefully care enough about you to it. If that's what you need it might take a little bit of adjustment. And don expect miraculous changes or not but if they care enough about you and you care about then you can have that mutual exchange of if that really matters to you then on repetitive against us needs to stop people pleasing. Oh yeah ok. Does this work for me. If i change this. If this is going against kind of how. I want this relationship to be then. I'm not going to do that for somebody because they won't. We need to figure out how that's gonna work so we both get some benefit but if it's something we'll actually that's ankle today but it's important to them if that's what they want not swale do because i care enough about him to make that happen right. It's not coming from people's placing point of view. It's i'm leaving my authentic south. You're living year antics south and were in this relationship together. We're going to try to understand each other and see what we could do to make it work. I do is cold relationship. Photography is where take pictures of couples in their ultimate stay of lavin connection focusing on them. Lucians that they do want just like you said the train their brain to find that that in their relationship and then we take your pictures hanging up on the wall like a board and go even further by journaling about it and do all sorts of things with their non dominant hand. What's your opinion on vision boards. Think they work well for the right. People vision boards are good to give you something to hang towards but with some people it depends how you use them as well. So i've watched this on paper before they've said about using your fissionable but tell you this i've got off the mrs why maiming four so your brain if your brain thinks this is why i've already go can stop paintings or things so again. It depends how you use visuals if someone says this is what i've already gaw then you'll is opened if you've already got his training if you send. This is what i'm aiming full. Then you'll brighton still knows trying to get something from it and then when you gotta is depending on achy. This is really wanted in the first place. But now i've got on need to make sure on consistent with it depends if you're focused is like okay. I'm doing enough. Things are great Great but i want accept the way things are. Then you're gonna use the vision board of how things are right now but if you're a night okay. My relationship is great. I wanna make it even better than you're gonna wanna do something that you want in the future. Yes so set up what you want your relationship to feel not what you on your relationship to to be like proof that pass and then you can then put things in place which will get you to that spike. Yeah i think is a really big misconception. People think you hang up a vision board and that means you get everything it's like it's not going to happen just by lying in bed. Definitely you need to go my gap and you saw the lower of attraction over. Traction comes to you if you look for. If you're just lying in bed the universe doesn't say well if that's what you want give it. Its if that's what you want. Come and get it. Yeah yeah Faculty as popular brian. That actually helps you to do is a physical property by ms switches on when you are looking for something and active system and when you say i want to do this. You'll brian says. Oh that's what you want out lookout for things. Full you to help you to make. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen because the thing we've relationships spirit is on more than one person. So it will be very reliant on external factors to make sure that we can have the relationships that we won't rely on someone else to be the person we need them to be yet. But you could become self sufficient with yourself and say like okay. I wanna feel off. I don't need to wait for the other person to feel up. I wanna feel up with myself. Here definitely not. That's what we need to work. I yeah to say okay. How do i feel about myself and to to make sure that you've got a healthy relationship with you because even if you've got if you've got an unhealthy relationship it doesn't really matter. How much love someone else gives you. That's the way it's going to be at ten crucial filmon. You're relying on someone else to make you feel better all the time. Then you'll never gonna feel better because they can't do that for you at the time. Look full you rhyme fulfillment in something else because something else is temporary and you're always chasing that temporary fix salon. Yeah it could dependency. Thank you. I always buy be. Which definitely definitely leads to co-dependency yet because you always relying on an i advocate. That's coming from the other side as well so you're always relying on each other to to make you feel better than you're always going to be such for that in the the person and you do become independent because you can then be without them now. How bad things might be if they fulfil something inside of you. Hang around and keep keep chasing that made of time but the put on mike and about having someone else to care about if you definitely getting your you need to care by yourself i you need to love yourself i as much as you possibly can but you are relying on someone to make the relationship the way you want it today so you might say this is what i want from you and they might say well this guy calm give you. The key might not be that person. Accompany the person and you get then. You need to pull that his you to be in that relationship especially if you're on with those and if they fee that then might be that the right relationship fully in the split up because of the relational patterns beliefs and stuff that we carry. We do have a tendency to follow certain types of relationships so i am a people. Pleaser is likely our attract. Someone got Now that will suit you Amount of time. Because you'll people please needs be met and they're taking Eventually the people please. Germany will come resentful because they never ever get any of their other needs. Met apart from the one pleasing someone else And then matron changed relationship site now. You need to give something in. The tight goes but that's not how this works. I'm taika good by the papal. Plays all codependent or aesthetic trauma bonding or anything like that because they will still want to get that. People placing nate maps. So it's really important that you understand your own stuff where you're coming from and not the person that you're attracted into your life. Is there for the for healthy reasons and not for something that's gonna be detrimental to you in the long-term and most hikers don't like to takeda. Lock it for a while but human night to have boundaries in if you don't set boundaries for people can i feel a little bit of their in depth of some of the towns Wisconsin they play all the take type of people. But they don't wanna keep taking they're taking advantage of someone and they want this of a person to put their foot down and tell them not to put boundaries for them. Yeah because. I don't know how to stop themselves. So they keep taking keep taking and they wanna stop. I say how really one to focus on a really wanted to say nightmare. Ready to more in this relationship but they won't under constant myself thin from carrying on so yeah so very complicated seven Isn't that what relationships are. I could also imagine that soon as their partner does may be put down the boundaries. They're gonna resent it because they're not used to it even though they really want. It's hard for them as it goes against everything i've done do most of their life for that will be as a certain amount of resistance in there to let them happen and again. That's why we we worked for that in the sessions like you need to put this into practice so we can see how you feel about. It doesn't mean the other person's gonna do it even because the other person. But i wanna make you happy. Don't know how to take control of this situation. Yes that's how it goes back to being yourself. If the take care would put down their own boundaries and learn how to do that and people pleaser will put down their boundaries of how much they gave that hopefully that would lead to help the relationship exactly again mesa off community. Nice about coming together inside okay. I don't wanna pay replace much. I don't wanna take so much. Let's talk about this and come to work on a different level with one another so that we can find that balance of actually what we really looking for he. S exactly you have to set those boundaries have to communicate and if you go even deeper you go to court to why they're being people's plays are why they're being such takers and then off so much more issues in many areas of their lives because probably the being people pleaser to most people around them and they're probably taking for most people around them so get to the core. Heal yourself so that way you could live so much better now. You want to end us off with one. Awesome communication tech communication to listen and acknowledge. So you if you acknowledging someone it means you've had to listen to what we have to do is when someone's talking to us already. Formulating responsive are only now ends. So therefore we're not entirely listening to what they signed. We're not might not be getting the meaning all sign. So if someone's talking ta i would listen. Refer back to what i just said to clarify the understanding of the united. Exactly what they've said tonight. Now that you've heard them and then you can sign Completely hood you said you said this Think whatever it might be a difference of opinion so kind and for you to say. I've heard what you said. This is what i think about her when he said by repeating back what they sandwiches they what i said so you can clarify the understanding because i might not might not on on us. No i said again we. We have a tendency not to listen. We hear it. But we don't listen to head spice months of the time and if someone signs especially if some science on really like then we will already got into whatever. Our defensive posture is more start to formulate our response based on what we want to say rather than what they said so again. Clarify the understanding. This is what you said. This is how you feel but this is an hopefully. You'll have some kind of open thought of where you completely understand. It doesn't mean it's going to solve the problem because you might be psych. Sarah car issue is the it's gonna take a lot more than just one compensation to some kind of absolution to but at least the puck behind right. So you'll validating what someone scientists thing you're repeating back with said so they know they've been hired united definitely got the gist of the story. And then then you can give them hopefully your opinion and then they'll be a to listening to you as well so you can have donald awesome. Thank you so much on. It was great speaking to you. Very welcome thanks for having and guys if you want to find out more about john. How does counseling and coaching together. You could go to. John kennedy dot com up at the lincoln this show notes together with all social media accounts. Thank you again john. This is great. did you enjoy. That showed a personal favor. And scribe and leave a review. It would mean a lot to me. Thank you so much and have an awesome.

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Barstool Rundown - February 2, 2021

Barstool Rundown

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Barstool Rundown - February 2, 2021

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And about the fuck you eat to give me credit fucking right darren you scum. I'm just so it's one of the best games out there. What i saw some get using. Will it have likenesses or is it. I'd see i honestly didn't even read it. Because i was just like i just saw the fuck yes I think it's like twenty twenty two maybe and It doesn't matter as long as it's the stadiums the colors the uniforms the band. Yeah the bands like that's all that matters. One of the best games ever been created one of the best sports games ever been created. The fact we've added for seven years. Whatever it is is a travesty. It's back it's gonna probably be. I mean i would imagine it's going to be one of the best selling games while time because of the like the amount of people that want to Get in on it. I just hope that. Ea does the right thing and gives an option for coach talks like they have to have a lot. I'm not gonna take credit for anything. I'm just telling. Ea if they're smart business people thank you know when you do the create a coach and it's like option one to like have option fourteen option right. That's the smart thing to do that. You can't even take that money big cap because there's a real coach doug now like there's no you can't have that you're using his like to have like listen. I'm not i it's me. I'm saying formica. guy ducks. Want him back at that shot. I'm just going to play the game. And i'm gonna use drugs and it's good to have the band back together. I mean he's gotta be What is dogs really. No i do that. I actually knew that But dogs yeah asked me very happy. We'll get the band back together. It's going to be more content to be great. Is there any chance that like probably not because it's just a football game that doesn't change much but is there any chance it's like a letdown like it's not the same nostalgia for fourteen. The the teams in the names of the people don't play the same. whatever if they make it like madden yes i i'm not as madden player anymore. But i've heard they've kind of ruined it Like the way the game moves and everything. They've made it. There's definitely a point where they make video games especially sports games too realistic and they become arch so yeah of course. They make like mad. It's good saw. Just keep it exactly. Two thousand fourteen just with updated names and greg state team play same graphics graphics kinda stopped like you reach a point of diminishing return graphics like you said all of a sudden it becomes to real. It's like fuck him play like you're watching a simulation or something right rebels beef with matt and that's why people are pissed off. Imagine chris matt is not doing anything new but it's like where can you go and i feel like this is a shot across the ballot madness. Okay now there's another up about video game in town a little. The i mean. There's not even close to the buzz for a new mad as there is for nca. Football obviously hiatus. But i mean they're gonna get blown out of the fucking water this year by by college football for you. It's the social. It is such a fun game to do exactly what i did. You know during quarantine and start you know as an assistant somewhere and build your career and jump around and like there's you can't replicate that man you can do to draft madden. But it's not the same her second topic. We had lebron making big waves last night. After two fans at the hawks game get kicked out of there. Courtside seats for for Talking shit heckling lebron. It was more the rest than lebron. Lebron call them out but the rafts made the decision to bottom. I know this chick sox. She's like a gold digger and she's plastic fake. What a woman match got her man's back. I need to find me a fucking queen like that role. Some go step up my mind for me man. All of a sudden lebron says something to my husband. And i see this and i go. I don't suck and talk to my husband that this woman is trash at any established that you see her at seeing her at a restaurant will ruin your dinner. Show ruin your basketball game like it's easy to stick up her because she's going abroad and everybody whatever but at the same time though she would. She's a fucking energy bolts. Didn't any room that she has ever in her life. That's a terrible woman. She got fucking on the internet. She had to like drag out the. Id just approved. She's twenty five. She carries herself like a season old bitch. Y'all it's almost sounds a little bit jealous of the energy. She brings bro bad. Shape is rider bucket. Die where he got that she sucks. I mean just looking at looking at looking at the couple. Like i was a girl. The girl what we've seen a million of these girls. She's a fucking miami gold diggers. The guy is the real story video. Ben where he's rumoured in stan. It's go do. She's on the beach right filmon like this. And he's behind her kissing her neck. Just massaging intensity. wild man. carlos is instagram. Name is daddy carlos i just. I took one look at like the couple. They are and looked at their instagram real quick. And i was like. Yeah i hate these people. And i know that i saw some people were applying like. Why are you going to call it. Karen his people make care and be like a racial term like shut the fuck up new s cairn energy being like i'm gonna fight with lebron on. There's no one there what are you doing. What are you doing right now. A the whole thing is the canine her man dan. She stood up for her man. What did lebron say. That was an. I don't want to defend the brunt on lebron defender but what did lebron say. That was wrong. That definitely does steroids all steroid. S and you rank rich had no problem anybody involved with bronze seem pretty cool in his postgame. She's obviously trash bag but she's defending her man. Daddy carlos is just like i dunno spending fuckin- money. Happy to be alive. It's a new season for for some like college for for people who are going to pro games because they know needs to be able to hear what they're saying. Now you can hear every single word and these people were used to talk shit the pro athletes and were never used to the check coming back at them. We saw it a couple of times. Russell westbrook in isaiah. Thomas people who talk shit back but now lebron can't do anything but fucking pay attention. He can't ignore it because there's no other voices in the crowd. Do you think they should have been kicked out though. Well it is very funny that like the nba is trying to do all these protocols and they can't players can't fucking did you guys see It was bam and kyrie. They exchanged jerseys last week. It looked like it was like a. They were doing some clandestine. Like passing on information. They had to like ball. It was crazy. They don't do the dirty. And then you have this woman with a mask on her. Like down screaming at lebron courtside is what. What exactly are we doing here. I don't. I don't understand that part. I look i got no problem with these people. Spend their money. The only way. I just know that by the four minutes i spent looking at their instagram's i do not like them. I think that. I think she's been able to stay. I think that it will be fine if they stayed if they were talking to ship back and forth. But she's the type of person who's never been able to take a ellen her life so when he said some shit she had elevate standup. Start yelling magazine at that point. It's like get the fuck outta here. Sounds like bernard roan never taken l. In her life are in our bad. Stay with okay. Also it's very funny to watch dave's twitter these days because he's gained so many followers from like stocks and like doing political stuff and every game this new audience. That just doesn't know his his most of the time. This joking right right well. 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I'll find out. I'll said when you said it. It sounds like a video. I'd like to at least see. She's smiling and he's kissing her and it's weird enough and she's into it he's just like meeting or ditz and you see your face like out sock. I can't believe i'm dating believe marriage. This guy is so dave. That billion billion followers you talk about are not happy right now. Because dave i mean just just last night a big tough guy talking to cuomo about how. He's got the beam stocks because he wants to be a part of the movement and that he's holding onto them and by sunup. You sold everything. Lost seven hundred. K and mr hold the line has completely fucking wilted bake paper paper page in this. That and the means and everything. Guess my fucking dick. I'm losing homes thousands of dollars. Just so i can make me is worth it. I don't know. I don't i i are you holding. I'm holding. But i bought like i have like two hundred shares of amc. But i'm holding. i am holding. i'm mocking to sell. i will never sell. I'm tom here you wait. That goes to zero correct. And i'm not. I'm also not telling you do whatever you want with your money people but dave was the old the line like ease. ddt g. that's tough it's tough. This is like if william wallace was just like. I'm going home guys. You do it yourselves. i'm gonna go chill gonna go hang out the fuck run. I think that he got spooked by cuomo. I think that cuomo last night was like well. Are you sure that you're investing correctly with these people like. Are you sure that people are like listening to you. And it's like he was trusted people to be responsible but maybe cuomo put this shred of doubt that wildlife. Maybe these people are just lemmings jumping off the cliff. Because i fucking lead them towards the edge and they're not thinking for themselves at all. I tend to think that people can't think for themselves but maybe that little seed of doubt was planned to like. Maybe i should try and be responsible. Which don't like refundable now. i mean dave. This has with dave gona. Jails somehow someway. Dave is going to be the first influencers stock trader to go to jail for like the masses at it. And that's the only way this ends. If he gets he gets a conscience than than portnoy truly is dead l. presence truly daddy's gone full fucking poor would be alive l. president me dad portal. I would be fully taken over at that point. I do think it is totally demeaning to be like all these people can't think for themselves and they always follow everything like yes of course. Dave is influential. But if you're actually telling me that people can't can't make their own decisions you're essentially calling everyone else it is. I just hate that line of thinking. It's it's actually. What wall street loves to do. Reis does it. When when the hedgehog who said short game stop it. Started all this when they put out their their recommendations. Dave's just you gotta figure out whether you're listening to a smart person or more on you. And i think through a new from the joke that this was a manipulation of the market that game stops long-term prospects weren't lake aren't going to stores to buy video games anymore like and that's just like a reality that we live in is like blockbuster stock going down or movie theaters. People aren't going to the movies and it's something that makes sense to people so it's like if you didn't see that like the the long vision of that than like your dominant. You need to be responsible for them. You are a man like with mickey calloway Who needs to step up and be responsible for the creep that he is. It's been a rough go for ex- mets employees right. Now i garrett border while he was amidst deploy was us yes well. Both of these guys did creepy shit forever older than had been creeping on girls by say fuck fucking fourteen everything. They've been take a cherry reporters met's gm. I yeah where he was groomed by the chicago. No no no the mets gm as kris jenner reporter. I n mickey callaway. So jared porta was like one girl that we know of mickey callaway like tons of chicks all across every city. He's worked in every team. He's been with just relentlessly texting creepy. Weird bad game at girls. the athletic put it out. So i'd only read the first started under words of it really. What else article. I do believe like his wife came out. And i didn't even know he was doing this. People are trying to blame. Sandy alderson the mets part. Part of me thinks like miguel was obviously part of me. Thinks that like how. How do you find these these things out during the vetting process. I also know that it was like the worst kept secret in her. Many whispers of mickey callaway texting checks all over the place. So if they can get you know if he gets to me. It's gotta be something. They can easily your out. But i i don't like people trying to pin it on sandy alderson baths like i mean i guess now i guess. Now you're gonna have to do like full bucket background checks and try to find women he's dated and who they've tax it in all that But i think right now. It was kinda like what he wanted to do. what are you gonna miss galloway in the judge. Dan did the angels fire him. That's a good question. I it broke late on about like west coast. Time how that all ended up working out but should be yeah Yeah he gets fired in ten seconds. It's relatively the same thing in. I'd agree if you if you knew if you at least like heard rumors about it you know. Obviously a rumor is in fact. But like like you're saying that it's kind of a bad kept secret in the in the clubhouse i dunno. It's the fact that he's been sending these also you see the peacocking thing he did. That was fucked up. Zile basically put his crotch a woman's face in like he he had something about peacock. And i don't even remember the yet some tax like have some texts like i sleep like naked every night. I gotta let my skin breathe. You should let your re to wait talking talking about her skin man who uh Gross brown was nothing. Worse to the brain than hardiness. Like this guy is lovely like a pretty successful guy throughout his career and that all goes to shit because he has no governor on his own hornets. I lead his bucking. It has him saying the weirdest shit and like when his worthiness comes to light. It is not gonna look good for anybody. nobody's horny. moments should be broadcast out there like that. Would if you're hurting other people there's no there's no choice you can't be an asshole with your horny at. That's the difference. I think like private consensual normal horny. Moments should stay that way when you're just blanket. Taxing checks no response or people telling you to stop and you just keep doing it. You got no control your for news. You gotta get your wanting us at I stepped in it last night on twitter saying that this was all a conspiracy theory which obviously was joking but people are very sensitive about right now at mount. Make light of it because trevor. Bauer fucking hates. Mickey callaway like with a bucket passion. He's got poison in his mouth saying oh the angels dropped the story trying to get rid of him so that bauer go to la people. Let me tell you they didn't. They were not so man. Three bad timing But i had to own that one. But we mickey callaway. I don't know if he's still employed probably won't last much longer And but it doesn't matter it's not. The angels is not any indian. It's gonna be a med story because always it. It's everything is tied and he should be fired. If any of this is true. And he's a creep. I still can't get over the fact. I like perfect with baseball manager name. Es mickey callaway that incited when when when they signed him. And then i realize idiot he. I guess he could. You know fall back on as being like a bartender in an irish pub. That also works. He owns a place called micky calloway's so probably at the bar then he didn't in baseball. That's a fake name like you saw mickey callaway. You buy your late on a little thick there guys especially that he's this type of guy you know it'd be like a creep bartender. Delegate annoying guy by hang out with danger. Adrian carlos so daddy carlos or whatever Just keep on happening to the mets kevin. National grown wrong question. How other question not wrong. It's good question like the media around. Here's more diligent about finding things. There's people that the mets tire as other to do with the metro epidemic In sports today to nepotistic amongst men as baseball or the mets. It's just our trash asked gender that can't handle. Its ordinance road for the i want soda. Started fucking investigating the birds in affiliate. You'll take that this happened in philadelphia. You gotta think fucking common towel. Keep it under wraps. I get it. See you guys tomorrow.

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Lovelogical  DNA Not Required  Episode 47

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Lovelogical DNA Not Required Episode 47

"You're listening to the podcast visit. WWW dot com tested dot com before information walk into logical love logical DNA not wired. This is Michelle Anderson coming to you. Live from podcast. Detroit Royal Oak Studios. We are looking forward all two intriguing and entertaining every Tuesday at seven PM. Let me start. Today's show by saying thank you for joining our family which choose biological by nature not logical by choice. DNA Not recline. Hello and welcome to the love logical. DNA not required podcasts. My Name's align Hama here with Jerry and Sean two times focused today brother. How you guys doing today? Wonderful foreground one doing well. Thank you for the invite. Yeah you know. It's been exactly one year today since you guys first came on the podcast and you know like blessed us with you know some of you guys is presence in. Oh let us know a little bit information about the kids you know and and I really I respect to guys I really appreciate. It's been a it's been a great journey so far but we still got a long way to go a long way to go along Absolutely it's been It's been tough. It has been some joys been payne's been tough long long journey for I saw but We stick together how to support man. We can work anything. I heard that I heard that there's been a lot of spent a lot of stress on this journey like but it's a roller coaster. Everything you know like if you always always having good when the bad hits prepared for that's what I'm saying. Tessa faith test your faith always one hundred percent. That's exactly what it is as a test of faith. Yes but no matter what you got to be able to look at the lessons that you learned from his journey. Yeah we always try to look at where we go on the destination but these Lesson that we learned on his journey are so important. Because it's a positive and everything that you do for some people lose a places. Some people lose their cars and autos Augustine. God bless him with him later they sometimes we got to get out on way. Man Understand is something we do. I understand that a hundred percent in. Oh like because it's it's all a test you know everything. Everything is a test and just because you know you might not get that one hundred percent that a plus you know you might get that C.. Plus Jason this is about learning how to grow back to get that a once again. You know what I'm saying like real talk. I'm I'm telling you what to execute get those results that we want. You GotTa go through this you gotTa feel a Pang. You gotta feel the uncomfortable feeling that we all feel and we got to keep going. Because those was are distractions trying to distract away from. Are we supposed to be doing a lot of distractions in this world. You know rather so today today. I WanNa talk about you guys. I WanNa talk about what you guys have gone through in the past year. You know some of those trials and tribulations some of those successes that are just you know like they'll they'll actually take people's People's breath away you know but also I wanNA talk about I WANNA go into being single fathers. You know like us a single dads you know like going through through some of the struggles that we have to face justice black men but also having a face the struggles men ourselves that are in a in a woman dominated world. You know when it comes to children at least you know like a lot less weird seeing us a single dads you know pop up sometimes. Like where's the mom you know you know everybody questions Eh. We do the hair in saying we do the shopping. We bought a shoes. We get everything that those children need you know. In order for them to succeed you know so they can showed showed two times focus. You know what I mean not I mean like I wanna I wanNA talk about his legacy man about his legacy after. It's about showing that your kids that you know you may have had to go through those hard times but they still got positive in them too. You know because I can tell you I've been going through a little bit with my baby. You know no being a being a single dad you know. I think she's got a little bit anxiety separation anxiety you know. I've been struggling through that. We'll get more into that later. Let's talk about you guys right now. So what was going on today. What's going on with two times? Focus right now and the two thousand nineteen almost twenty. Two thousand thousand focuses about to be two years deep into this James Okay and business yes sir. So the journeys is that we have been on and the lessons that come with have been amazing understanding that we are single fathers and we face a lot of adversity. Sweet lava hasn't been highlighted. So people are shocked when they see us out in public with our kids and so on and so forth but the big thing about it is to be able to interact interact with them and understand and let them know that you human and that you're GonNa make some mistakes and I think we need to be able to communicate with our key is more. Let them know that we still go through stuff. We're not perfect. and Dan share some of the stuff that we go through so they can understand that we are human and they can learn from as well. Yeah I agree with that. A hundred percent kids. Look at us a superheroes we do. Try to hide everything that like the the real struggles of life that we go through. We try to hide that from him. You Know I. I know that my mother headed for me. You know and I know I know that you know is probably vice versa. Same Old same going down the line because we don't ever want her children to think that we're struggling like that but even even if we do you know I think we should learn to teach them about that struggle and the struggle is real salute. That's real life. You know like his real life you never gonna see all sunshine and rainbows. This is similar to what you say brother because I know similar we talk. We haven't talked in a while but we talk some deep conversations with each each other so I I definitely understand but my situation is totally different. My kids mother my boys by one mother. Uh my daughter by another one super supportive to support okay. Yay Very Ver- man. When I say to the to the one hundreds yeah we disagree? They just supportive so that helps me a lot as well. Yeah see that is native it is needed. It's very needed. You know as they did when and I couldn't see I wish I wish I had that man you know it's a struggle every day you know you gotta go through the gotTa go. I gotta go through the Ringer when my baby Momma. Just just to try to get you know some clemency tunnel just Just to keep it kosher pushing to keep praying pushing you know you gotta give us like I've gotta give give give give but you know there's there's no take that's part of the UH comfortable Philly what you gotta go through but the ultimate results execution your daughter going to be happy. Yeah Yeah my master overall. She's Daddy's girl here. You know. That's daddy's unknown Ed. Yea telling you man like that's the truth. I never allies Mama's boy daddy's girls fake or not. That's real life right. There was real. ooh brother telling you man like what she sees you and it's just light up man. Is that light. You can have a bad day. Kids alight shop. You know even if you're tired I come on do science experiment real quick only one day. Yeah that's that motivation. I remember somebody used to laugh at me and my daughter the relationship when they didn't have a daughter that was me he looking right at all times out of the chain I was trip. You Ain't saying no to nothing you tripping I'm glad I don't have a daughter Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah daughter. Love all my kids the same name but that daughter love is different. It is soda stuff was laughing about going through now go. She's five years old whatever she won't Ed Snider Terrorists six essays. Yeah Happy Birthday. Christmas is common like much watch. Yeah that must Christmas Alexi. I'm like I was four bill so just happened but it also helps us. You're absolutely right when I see her and a days when I don't want to go and we got you got to put your all into your purpose into your pass into what you're supposed to be doing. And she hopes yeah to to the fullest on a different level than you guys because my daughter's a little older so my daughter be twelve next month so she has helped me grow as a man as a Father Isla Amer first relationship but at the same time. She's kicking walls that I've had built up in my whole life. I'm able to do things that I would never do with a one and because of my daughter. Okay I know my daughter has helped me grow. Give me some examples. Give me some very affectionate in public. So I wasn't very keen with kissing overhang absolutely but my daughter order has taken things to a different levels with things that I wasn't comfortable with and I didn't WanNa do I do effortlessly now. So she's taught me how to be able to love a woman in a different capacity. Now Yeah so as I learn grow and evolve with her I can take these same things and put him into a woman as well so she definitely helped me. She shows she tells you that. Love Man teach you how to showed what I love man true story for I witnessed it. I laughed at it. Oh yeah never. PDA In public now. Right now I'm very affectionate at all so it just wasn't something I was comfortable with. I feel that I was growing and learning who I was as a man so you know we hear Natto. Yeah Yeah Man Yeah here one hundred percent and you know and I say one of the hardest things about being a single dad is just you know like the p the spectators you know a lot of people were going to be there to give you motivation. You know to tell you how good you're doing but you also have those people who you know are in the background always chopping you down like A. Ah especially when it comes to men raising girls. You know Mike. It's it's it's like there's conception you know what I mean like because it's like my mother can raise a son you know but can I mother truly raise a son prime example of yes she can you know but how can a father raise a daughter you know still teach her how to have in that respect and to be a young woman become a young woman from a from a little girl to a young lady to a woman for grown woman instead values in absolutely you know like still have that heart still have the faith still have the belief and still want to focus on her or their future we set Natale setting. It's home at five eight years old. She know not to touch the door. Yeah see no not to touch cheer. Because I'm a all of that. We certainly tell now. And as an unconditional conditioner is just no. I can't imagine not doing nothing else I've been I've been there man like it's to me. It's it's a struggle every day you know because we don't want to give our daughter's too much you know but we try to give them the world at the same time you you know what I mean. How can that a win is too much too much? You know have a balanced. You gotTa have balances a single father. You know in order to understand and help your children understand. That ain't nothing in this. World is free destruction discipline no yeah structure into I like the structure and discipline always. I've been actually listening to a lot of different things online. And they're talking about affirmations for our daughters. You know like so you let your daughter. Listen to these certain affirmations in the car like that tells them that they are young powerful all black one. We do it every morning. You know what I'm saying. Yes so you know. That's something into wow. We do it every single morning. See everyone this is amazing. Confirmation their brother it is. It is because I'm telling you seal go to her mom or grandma demo affirmations and they said what I'm a princess powerful genius. I love helping people every day every day every day. You have to. You know because it's like that that instills that it teaches them to be a better person and if somehow like locks it in so it's his senior sub-conscious you know because a lot of us we live off off the surface you know. We don't. We don't like to go into our sub conscious because there is pain there is hurt you know there. Is You know some malice. ALICEA might have happened in the palace back in the day when it comes down to it. It's just it is what it is and you know you gotta learn you. Can you can deal with those emotions and know that they are not what defines you. Oh you know what I'm saying. Correct Oh the biggest part for me is the level of communication. Yes his father's being able to talk to our daughters and mothers would desai's we all go through adversity. We all go go through paying. We're GONNA go through stuff that's GonNa make us uncomfortable. That's going to hurt us. That's GonNa make us cry. Hi so on and so forth but how you communicate those emotions and lack of it you know. We haven't had it passed down to us so is new. So we're trying to break the cycle but we have to be able to to be able to allow our kids to be comfortable where being able to talk to us and today's world even more so when a low in a way age of social social media is so much other influences out there so you need to be able to have a relationship and sometime US adults. Don't WanNA listen our kids. You WanNa tell them what to do. Saotome follow but you need to listen to them because they have a voice and it's something that you may miss if you don't listen so you wanna be able to build that up and for me. My daughters by get ready go to the teenage years and another year. So has those door start to open. Menace tough talk about. Yeah Yeah. Let's talk about it either. One hundred percent mentally mentally. I already prepared myself and I'm still going through the process of it but in my mind. I only have one chance chance. If she come to me when she comes to me she needs to talk to me about something that I'm very uncomfortable about. I need to be able to take exactly what she's telling me. Understand how she's Filmon Alan and give her the best solution to that problem without me affected me so if I put my emotions and say that I don't know what you're doing I might lose. MAXINE action winner. So I gotta have ever comfortable enough to be able to come to me so I give her the best advice. If I can't give you the best advice who is I. Don't want her to listen to the world. What the world looks like? My job is a five. That's that's true that's true events. It's crazy that you really only got one chance you know because it's hard to get that bond back especially in those teenage years Karadzic Trust filling themselves and all your would everybody else is doing and seems tough. We're boys it hits US later. You know what I you mean like we might be young trying to get some waves or something but it really don't hit us to worry about fifteen sixteen. You know what I mean. It's it's a slow. A slow process has having girls. You know it's it's like it can hit anywhere from ten thirteen again. Those phones social media to have access to things that they would never having a pass. So that kind of speed they maturation up a little bit. That's the truth man. Because we didn't have none of that we were exposed to everything. Man They can build anything telling Alan you need to look at it and pass any test. Everything is social media. Everything is on the network. Yeah that's crazy. They like you know reading reading nothing to to me is going to be a thing of the past like books. Books are going to slowly like dwindle down. Because you don't really need them anymore. You can get all your books online. You can get all your books on your kindle. I hope not I hope not. I WANNA pick up a book and read it. Yeah because screen that screen time is honestly bad for your pineal gland talked him. You know what I'm saying legacy listen that screen time especially at night. That's what keeps you from getting to that Rim sleep you know who is. You've got this screen and assist. It's an artificial light that tells your brain aim like A. You're still in the sun because our brains don't realize that it's the TV you know. It's day and night so avid readers like us. That wouldn't work when work have I have to have a hardcover book. Have something I can touch and feel I can make with that. Some owners screen is not the same. I can take in information but I don't have that same emotion tied to it. You can personalize a book. I can highlight and I can make no I call it and relevant to what I'm thinking. Gosh trying to show me so I I'm old school. I need that I do do electric as well but most of the books. I have our common ideals a great investment for me. Personally I agree. I've been working on the the secret the secret the secret you know. And it's you guys ever read the secret now. I'M GONNA have to give that to you guys this year. I'm not even GonNa tell you about it. You're GonNa let you guys read it because it's the secrets the secret to success the secret to life you know just just. It's it's a great book. That's all I will say about it hard about it. Never never read it. You never read it. We'll have to hook you up with that. So you can go ahead and Pete Fat Alvie my Christmas gift to you guys. It's one of the best books you'll you'll ever in your life it can change you know but yeah anyways like you know when it comes down or kids you know I would say with going and having a teenager man you know what is what is what is your biggest fear you know is it. That is it that one time that you won't you won't be in the right because as a dad I'm scared and she's she's only six and that's like the Harem aback Hugo. My biggest fear is why we mentor. Boys when I look around and I understand that she's a young lady and she's going to start really getting into boys the quality of choices that I see or lack of bothers me either so me as a father. I'm setting the bar high. I'M GONNA love my daughter Matija about love. I'm a teacher about life. I'm a teacher about it all so I'm a prepare as best this can but when I look out there for quality candidates for her as a man I want to see somebody to ask potential somebody to ask them values somebody that has some direction where they wanna go and structure in their life Even though I wasn't those things coming up but I'm being real. Those are the things that I would like to see my door to wit and I don't see a lot of those choices. Voices out there and it bothers me so this is why we do business. This is why we roll up our sleeves and we go down in Detroit and we work our tails off off with the youth because we wanna make sure that our next generations are prepared and manpower supposed to leave but these have anything to leading what what does SNL for my grandkids and future generations. So for we have to be able to get out here and help as best as we can as men as fathers single or not and be able to pour poor back into and we need that so we've been building relationships with a lot of great companies. We did a program F- Rex Eighty four resource center on a seven mile. We've done lions. We've done we've done a lot of good things in the community about Justin Kempson. Yes definitely frick city for resource. Engagement centre-half so a lot of great things as going over there for the community for the youth A lot of great resources. A lot of great people over there and Give back to the community from gleaners to we have our program narrow Saturdays and then you have the free programs absolutely free program great job community. It's just a way to build. Yeah during the youth mentoring a youth and people period yeah resources for the for the dots for the model. You have adults in the mothers too young for the whole community so yeah it's just great man and it does helps me out because you surround yourself around like minded people light the fire even continues to help you grow. Yes yes yes. I agree with that hundred percent I found I find myself trying to do the same thing lately. Just get back to the community you know. Come back to what I know. What what I'm supposed to be doing it for life you know and it's like you know it gets hard you know especially like with me? I'm a single dad. You know so i. It's just tough sometimes definite. I feel like like when I have that down time. Like it's supposed to be me time and I'm like I WANNA be selfish with it like man now you know today. I want to sit on the couch wall to doing dishes and laundry all week You know but I can't. I can't do that. You know so I completely understand you know I might buy come over and talk somebody myself. You know enjoy that time last if it just became eleven and she jumped about four or five years. I'm not exaggerating time. Flies by really do they grow up so fast and so president sacrifice what you can now keep playing toys six right now come on man you see an attitude I am man I swear came and now that's like trying to curve. You know like the attitude you come out like she she goes. Excuse me then. It's like sorry daddy you know I guess it's just that like that neck and neck going already already. I gotta get going. You know. It's an interesting conversation and I noted the listeners going to think about this because we three single black man raising kids ourselves and then they'll get a chance to hear our side of the story from our perspective but to be honest with you man we are so blessed guy I chose to hack his man. I'm tell us in a different likeness and the good of us and where they could potentially be man. I think that's the that's the greatest gift I've ever received achieved snap even close. See me personally growing up with like I grew up with my like with my mom. You know me and my mom live in Kalamazoo. I Live with my dad for a year of my life. You know and I spent most of the year grandparents tones. Ruth you know so it was like you know like when I became a father. That was the main thing I wanted. Was that time because I felt like I was missing was the time you know again that given that time to my daughter and like actually letting her you know like seeing seeing how how how much she just needs that time you know like the the activities of the technology the difference. Yeah it is different it is different. It's not just like sitting on a couch watching a football game name coming over for a holiday in the whole family's there this like you're actually sitting there with them and it's that one on one interaction. You're doing homework with this little talking to man. Yeah you're reading. And yes like she's getting that reading you know so we're sitting on the couch and we're reading not the one that just drop off some shoes and off awesome. What neural frank? Gotch this but guess what it does to us in empower us to be better. It does whatever you said earlier. Whatever you going through that day that week you see apprentice it goes away it does suppose it goes away it does it? Lets you know that wait a minute. I can't stop now. Aw I don't care what this feel like. I don't care what's going on. You look at her you the conversation I love you daddy come give you a hug. I can't stop and I know ooh stop. GotTa keep going come on. Let's rock the south. That's but that's my favorite part about being a dad is like just you know. It's that excitement van. It's that excitement. I got a question for both of you. Since your daughters around the same age have you really thought about what the next level of their lives going to look like for you. Ah because right. Now you're in the middle and just GONNA fly by in the next year. So are you really looking forward ahead of time to see because for me. I'm I'm listening everything you said. I used to enjoy those moments as well. But my daughter's about the B twelve but. I definitely get a tax every morning so everything that I wouldn't get from CNN. I still get it anyway. Yeah I get that interaction with her in the morning before she go to school. She texted me data. Love you. I have a good day those type of things I would love. That made me feel so good. Does every morning I love to peak right F. L.. That's which all about to embark on and walk into so so it's going to be Even better communication and then when you see him just GonNa take the life out of you. You already know because I'd be missing something sometime when you're not around you feel holding unless you feel you know like it's like the biggest the biggest fear that I have is that you know like shoot. She'd one day because I because me and her mom don't have a great relationship so my biggest fear is that one day she's GonNa wake up and just start listening to her mom but every everybody is like that ain't never going to happen you know because it's all about what she sees in love you pull them out the love you pour into it. It's not about the outside. It's about the inside. Absolutely yes Sir personal circle and it's that's so that's why I try to keep you know. Rather be hurt because my her circles big. She's gotTa village here. That's why I came back to Michigan. Beautiful Man you know. I can't do it all all of my. I still haven't learned in my life yet. Not only that you might work long hours doing this. You might need that coverage and you got to support here to do that happened it's like with my mom. You know my mom's an amazing woman absolute so it's like the lessons that she's instilling tour to you. Know these are life lessons then power. You know you're GonNa have forever you know there's like the life lesson she taught me. It's like I can teach my daughter but it's better coming from the original and I can just drill it in your Magazi- legacy well we have done without our grandparents legacy. I can't even imagine what we done without our moms definitely most definitely draw strong black women. Shout out to all the mothers out everyone. Thank you all for Your sacrifices. Your patients understanding when he comes to us and allowing us to grow and evolve from some mistakes that we made. Thank you very much. We appreciate jaw to fill one hundred hundred one hundred. Because I'm telling you like growing up up you don't think about you know the single MOMS. You know you to see him and you know that's just something and it is the way it goes down you know like there's they're single MOMS in this world old but you never stop and ask why you never stop and ask how they're doing. Sometimes you know you don't you. Don't look at that big picture. You know so looking picture as an adult when you're doing it yourself. It's like Dang you know mom I love you because you know real talk especially especially me. I was too when I got a little older when I hit them teenage years like God I thought I was better than sliced bread. You know no don't know my my my older smaller size. Now it's it's it's a journey of what they go through with. They think they know. Oh and you know what I do for a living is impact lives. But you can't get through to y'all songs is it's frustrating hurts but You know when you got trust and faith in a support system everything is GonNa work yourself up there. But it's tough takes time and I need to hear that. Say it again. It takes time okay. Surprise takes time you know like I say honestly man. I didn't listen at all because it's like everything like it's a build up some a mom told me all this stuff through all these years but it's actually taken as as as coming from a young cat you know you're putting yourself in those shoes and you have to put the pieces together from the past. It's like building a mental puzzling. Your mind throughout the years. And that's why they say time changes everything time heals all wounds you know because with time comes knowledge and with knowledge comes power. But you gotta you gotTa work to get your own power. Our in order to move forward powerful Brennan's powerful man this is learning l.. You from the heart because I swear you know. My Mom taught me so so many live in my grandma. My mom you know they tell you these things growing up you know. Listen you don't care but the most powerful thing in the world one of the most the plant that see the seed and you started listening to it later on and now you develop an using it now. Execution Execution Story is similar to mine so not know who my biological father is. Yeah I just started early to. You are listening in those things because I was upset and I really not a deal with my emotions so it turned into anger over time and not being able to get rid of it just grew to any of the two so when I have my boys I see versions of me inside of them in different versions of my life. My oldest son is MIATA way through. You WanNa learn everything the hard way. You have the same thing that you did him. I tell him to say he's walking into doors that I've introduced him to a he just doesn't realize then my younger so he reminds me of of me as I'm older. He's lay baggy smart We do the same thing. We played basketball Plan for southlake right now now in his second year but he just reminds me of the good side of me as I got older and I grew a volved and I realized that as I said back now and I get a look at it in his whole totality some of the things that I could have done differently instead of Miki myself I share with them. These are some of the things that I could have did it from me and this is why I love this guy right here because he has a structure that he comes from his family as a close knit circle and is there's been married forty nine years so for me. I'm still learning from him off. Someone experiences that he's been through a having father definitely blessed most definitely. Oh Yeah uh-huh definitely true. Bless the see what they go through see what they went through and still here and still poor not the knowledge. And I'm I'm I'm taking the seats implant and elsewhere and I'm using it later may not sow coup for. That's just not a pro. I'm so so guys man I'll give you stuff like that and he gives it to you but it's not only for you because I'm learning somebody's saddle. Lay everything parents say you know. Nobody does US and a lot of that. I get from both Ado. Hit strong be too powerful. Believe in God been through some turmoil came out of it. Love to help others. And that's exactly what I love to see my mom My mom is real big in the church and things like that too and I you know for a while I was you know. And it's it's every into simlisafe's closed-doors. Okay so I changed and I. I don't know I just I WANNA put my faith in the myself. You know I still believe I still love you know and I'll teach H my daughter. You know like hey you know these. This is the lessons that you need to know. You know the Ten Commandments. You know like no some of these stories because they are stories from in the past but all they are stories to empower and better yourself. You don't necessarily have to believe every message you know and people tell me. I'm wrong for that Abedin. John Yourself it's just to know it's like stories to no it's not it's like the Odyssey you know like it's it's just it's just a story from the past that is held on a higher standard because it's because God God's work but who is God God is God as you got me me. God is in everybody. He's in everything around us so it doesn't matter if you go to church it doesn't matter what you do is if you turn stone he's there you know you you flip flip a quarter. What are you find them? Just depends on what you do. Are we setting Apocrypha now tale now but you know like I. It's just that's that's the teachers. Teach my daughter you know and I know her mom. Her mom feels the same way so we teach that to our daughter. Because you know like I want my daughter to know that she's powerful. I wanted to know that she has her life lessons. And I wanted to know that there is something out there that has given her energy. And that's given her positively. You know rather be from church rather it be from the mosque rather be from the synagogue. It doesn't matter you know you get to choose that yourself as you grow the older I want. I want my daughter to knows she has choices. You know. I'M NOT GONNA force anything down her throat. I'm GONNA teach a little bit about everything you know because it's information you know the information that we give our kids you know it. It teaches them. I'd rather know the information about the entire world rather than just the United States the real world is it really is. It's big the more we prepare our kids and empowered him. They can be more successful. And I think that the consensus for all of us is we are designed to serve and I listened to stories and everything your mom. Yup You what we do. We naturally just designed to serve an understanding that you can be able to build a foundation of something that is beyond you so all of what we do in his guys work and Kim spoke about church and autos things but you not always mentoring in a church and most of the people that needed are not an insurance church. So how do you got to be able to get to them. Eleven streets so yeah we have to be able to work together collectively to be able to help each other but everybody and the resources that we built along his journey are helping us to grow and evolve to something guy has for us that we have no idea could beat his massive. Your and we spoke about this. Our businesses grown so much over for the last year and a half two years and opened up doors and introduce US phenomenal people that we would have probably never met but it was meant for us alone he it was designed so going into two thousand twenty we have a lot of things on our plates great partnerships. Some very good things going on that what we have to be able to share and empower and give back to the community to let them know that they're not alone for your daughter we gotta give him some choices choices when we give them that information then we see what they can do it at. Yes yes and it's all about resources man you gotTa have all the resources available for your children because you know growing up. We all struggle no matter no matter what what type of way no matter what day it is. We're all gonna struggle especially when it comes to like school. You know so like like I. I really appreciate some of the resources that we found to help with some of the kids around the city off you know but the biggest resource that I can say that children need is that foundation. You know that mentoring because all of all of us as kids we don't have that foundation especially coming from a strong black man you know and being a young black man in the city you know you need those resources in order to grow in to see the other side because you only see one thing sometimes and it's like seeing on the other side like man look at where these guys came from. Look at how they talk. They got two times focused on three times focus. And I'M GONNA go ahead and beat everything touch. Yeah actually we're both of you said in two thousand nineteen. The most important thing that happened for me personally. That just lit my fire. Even more is the impact that we had individuals the making a difference impact. We had on these kids which their parents just amazing. Tell me about a family man amazing We got a nine zero. I've lost his mother in two thousand sixteen father got lighter charade am in prison. He's just such a bright kid. Bright Kid special. He has grandmother takes care of what is seventy one years old. Oh Wow so we got connected. We do want women to earn as well so we due to one one mentor with him and other kids as well. He's just so bright he knows what's going on and he still has that. Bright attitude so at nigh hi at nine years. Oh so enough that you can do this. Yeah we all can do this. Nominal gifts as phenomenal. Okay I'm real real big O.. Energy this young man has a platform already at nine. He speaks very well stagefright articulates he comprehends very very well yes. He has a very bright future ahead of them. And those are the things that make us feel great about what we're doing. We're not only doing if a guy but we're doing it to impact he's lives. That's Aston most gratifying part force. Two years we've never charged a fee dollar. None we've just done it on on. Yeah that's the most gratifying park. Yeah Yeah most definitely I say purpose. Some people don't understand that even close friends. They'll laugh at you. Say what you do man some. I'm doing God's work purposes because not supposed to be doing what I'm supposed to do packed in lives. That's what I'm supposed to do. Yeah the money account we gotta eat. We've got those princesses we gotta take care of. But at the same meantime you're doing God's work so you guys work that's when he talking about all other doors just open. It'll be two years in January the partnerships we had into community nudie the impact the networking business even connecting with your mom yourself. We haven't seen you in a while but connection love's still there and it's always going to be the most definitely did invited us and we hear year year year lays layers this way. We got another year to go. I was going to be an amazing year. Two thousand twenty for everybody information speaking speaking man. I'm telling you you know 'cause God's light the love the world everything's GonNa Change in two thousand twenty for all of us man because you know the a new day so new year you know the Slama Taurus and I'm ready to go. Hope Biala charge like a bull Taurus. It's like I'm ready to go because this this next year is going to be a great year for all especially logical you know. Hey Hey maybe stubborn but you know what. The logical stubbornness so case logical madness. Any in the house. Because I'm getting double team right now. So all right to be. SRA's too. I WANNA give a shout out commits to affirmation Shaima Myers a mentor of ours. Big Brother I want to say. Thank you for everything that you've done us alone. His journey impact my life. WanNa give another shot out to kindle handle fickling Jiemin coach. You do it naturally do it. Instinctively you plan powerful but one thing that you always say doc is people don't want what they feel like they wanna what is look like ms two biggest thing about success business being a father. Are you look at somebody else and you look at their life. And that's what you want it to be but you don't WanNa go through what they feel like. So he's always said that as something that resonated Amina definitely gotta give a shout to him and said off the Jeff Carter Detroit customink definitely with shot l.. Jeff appreciate raisins partner Khaneh conor bitterly partner Brotherhood. We don't just talk about business. We talk about life empower each other so we can be better man better husbands to be better a father's but a businessman he does all our Pero Does a great job this summer. y'All apparel before our business partners set out to him helped us along this journey. And we're GONNA continue to move for absolutely sat outdoor Mondo and Dimitrios Jessica. We appreciate you guys everything. You have have done supportive of the work. I've done in a community to work. You guys are doing. Couldn't do it without you. We appreciate you. We love you and that's worked together in two thousand twenty wanting to make sure that the twenty is better than twenty one twenty two at the Bar House. Let's get a couple of years ahead of this race so we can be able to plant these seeds and watch them grow into some phenomenal heard. Yeah that hurts. Detroit representing always there. I always working in the community so when it comes down to it with being in a community like you know you guys you guys got your heart in the community. You know our here hearty. I know you come from d you know like what what do you think. What do you think the best messes as you can tell these kids out here? Get around the right people to be able to achieve your dreams. We have to get back to stop doing what everybody else I was doing. Go get the same results that will be my best mattress get around people that can help you grow and evolve to be the best version of you basically get yourself a mentor. Sorry the tour. Every coach has a coach. Every coach has never yes. Go Way to put every coach as a coach. He is get Joe Self a mentor right down. Yes I say write it down to and if you're not sure I would have found one you can contact us at two times focus dot com or you can reach us at one eight six six six five eight six six three three three leave a message. We'll get back to you far as availability but the one thing you know we will get back to you and it's not gonna cost you a dime right now. We focus on building relationships and impact and live so reach out. We're not a good fit for you. We also partner with some ladies flipping flipping Detroit giants well so three phases three phases of school manners so we got people to be able to help us help others as well. So that's what it's about building a community have a salad foundation and being able to help them work together to be able to build something less in our community spoke legacy just we wanted to sir. Yes Sir Circus. Our youth is having trouble like the youth has trouble. It's not it's not like it was when we were growing up and you got the whole neighborhood to look after you. You know a lot. The kids are on their own. A loss you know loss. You know 'cause we have two thousand nineteen you know. We gotta work more than forty hours a week. Most of us just in order to eat and and we got our program that started back up. I did a year. It's going to be every Saturday. We'll have dates and times coming. So girls and boys ages ages eight to eighteen. We take field trips. Where entrepreneur workshops marketing strategies social skills? We have games We have other the mentors that help us out. It's going to be held at the Frick City for resource engagements Senate once again shut out the Justin's allow us have our program there at Abbot V.. Big Platform there with do man occur at Shutout to you anna impact and it's all free soil free too so they don't cost nothin' until you just come on down you know. Let your kids get some positive motivation. You know some positive affirmations let them learn how to love themselves the right way you know. Let them learn from some men who have been through the struggle in life who have gone through it you know like a you know we all go through it but some of us go through it harder and you know I give a shout out to these guys is for you know always staying positive these two of the most positive men that I've met in my life no real man and honestly like I I respect and appreciate H. You guys can't do because ally I'm telling you man I wish you guys would have came out and we were given haircuts to the Detroit youth home you know because man I and some of these young some of these young men like they could have used some positive influence. Man They were. They were struggling a little bit. You know they they struggle they this email us. Let us know in advance to Sir Tennis today we usually proactive. And on time just let us know no. We wanted to be a part of him. Yeah man we can empower you and let us know what you got going on your business and we connect you to our resources sir. Care to base resources and that's how you you empower each other. Yes Sir Support one another empower each other speaking of character base. We don't just do this for you know Monday. Through Friday Saturday Sunday we live is life. We let us live twenty four seven three sixty five so this is who we are. This is where we're going to stay. We are who we always be. How know where that one came from? But this is who we gonNA always be doesn't matter where we are. God allowed us to have this gift and shared his purpose and his journey together so no matter where he drives US phone. God's Green Earth. Our lives are going shy we gotta work to do most definitely and those doors open. Stay to two times focused. PODCASTS stay tuned to times focus relationship rescue. I want to be on the podcast where I'm ready for that too. We got some Some nice things in store just just being able to show the community that where out here and then of a Cs out here in different different variations not just mentor. One mentor all right speaking consulting doing things in the community that people don't necessarily see being able to go around black businesses interviewing the owners be enabled definitely promote them for what they do and give back and at the same time Dr Positive influence their way and at the same time Dr Positive Influence towards the city so people you know as other options out there but we need to be able to shine a different light so we got a lot of storms in store for two thousand twenty in Sky's the limit. Check out our Pero. Oh Yeah Hey payroll out new designs coming any color women and kid's fitness two times focused w Amtrak double result represents me and my best friend for over thirty years share the same passion helping people get to the next level. The focus stands for focus on craff until successful successful W W resort is two of us we can get the job done mode. They say you know you can't go on business. which a friends or your close friends you have best friends? It's not true. Come talk to us when you're looking at the best friends right now. The impact in the world. Okay you know the crazy part about it is we. Were just just talking about last month. We were going over our five year plan and we were talking about somebody options that were in our minds so we hadn't had this conversation Fars on this level. Some things have changed and we would just revisit in the crazy part about it is we are both on the same path regardless and you notice what is this guy because when I told him he told me the same thing he was like I was GonNa Talk to you about it though happens a lot thoughts a lot of taps man that's crazy that's what's up. Yeah definitely matters. It's a blessed. Yeah we get on each other nurse we push each other departments yeah business. Everybody has an accountability buddy odor to him so respected dispose. Oh my hey somebody sneaking in coming to say hey ago my energy to go to. They got the coffee. Let me take off my jacket. We another two hours now. We we talked about some things things mile guest today. Yeah we actually had a good conversation. Today we talked a little bit about the kids you know and we. We talked about two times focused on some of the things that we're going to be going through this year. Twenty twenty is all about. It has been tough. It's been tough. Nineteen y'all throughout in two thousand nine. It's been a lot of work a lot of sacrifice a lot of pain but this is what we supposed to be doing but double impact and w reserve uh-huh yes we want to give a shoutout to love logical. DNA WE WANNA thank Kerr because people it's not required you heard her in the background but it is always required to thank people for blessing others and being able to have a pure heart and share with everybody else when people come in your life like that and you know the guy brought him. Noah's a blessing Nossa a reward in a sacrifice that comes along with it because she's a powerful woman. She has a powerful platform and and she can help people so that we know what he didn't give me nothing to say. When I WANNA get a shot out the podcast I WANNA say? She's been a blessing to us. Definitely like I told you earlier. We haven't talked. We haven't connected acted but the love. The prayer is still. There is the hour we connect. Today it's a beautiful thing it's like we never skipped a beat man. Man I tell you that's the most beautiful thing about it. Love skipped a beat. You know I'm big on Energie so I'm real big on. I know a lot of people. Don't have this conversation but it definitely tap into energy and energy here was still the roof sell there. WanNa thank you also walk there most definitely until you brother you would you share helps us to appreciate a guy you know because it is a struggle every day the role on you know one thing I want to say is all are always to would've cleanest brothers on no man I need my style. Town's focus. Shopping extraordinaire yeah one of these days. Okay Hey I want to get it all right but I want to say thank you guys for coming in. I said guys everything that you do. Thank you for what you do with the youth of the Detroit. You know it's like honestly. Hey we need more of you. There needs to be you know at least a hundred more you guys so we can change the whole world. We appreciate now. I know it only Happens one day at a time but I know you guys are going to leak up with the right people. In order to make the ultimate goal for wishing we start at home because we from Detroit Detroit. Yes Sir Sir Vision is taking this nationwide. Yes Sir yes sir so I WANNA say If you guys want to check us out come on. DNA DNA not required love logical dot com DNA not required You can check us out on facebook. That's love logical facebook dot com. You can also check us out at instagram. Ram Shout out to these guys. Two Times Focus holiday. Oem Merry Christmas. Christmas one time Lulu lutely Mary here. Smith's and it's not going to know it's crazy it's not gonNa snow is supposed to warm up man crazy. I'll talk about global warming. They said it's a myth correct. That's why I say right now and I'm not gonNA complain about it. I'll have any issues with snowing or any any of that right now. With a white gotta live at Michigan. I WANNA White Christmas. You can turn it on TV drive north to Canada. All right FELLAS. Well you guys I close out you got anything else. You WanNa say stay positive stay. Strong stay connected. Go Talk to somebody. You Ain't talk to in a while. Yeah go caller friend. 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WDW Radio # 637 - 10 Secrets and Stories of the Walt Disney World Resorts: Part 1

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WDW Radio # 637 - 10 Secrets and Stories of the Walt Disney World Resorts: Part 1

"Hello will be furious if he finds out but me up to. We don't have to tell him nothing to worry about. Everybody lady donating gladiator whose daring. Deeds a great asia. Ladies and gentlemen wrecked from a record two million years on me every. Let's hear it. Hello my friend and welcome to the WDW R adio show your Walt Disney World information station. I'm your host Lou Mongello and this is shown number six hundred thirty seven and together each week. We celebrate the magic of disney parks movies. And more as i take you with me from the parks to the screens and everything in between here on the podcast weekly live video on facebook every wednesday night community books audio tours blog and more. Please be sure to subscribe to the podcast and apple podcasts. Spotify and find everything else at. Www radio dot com. This week will look at some of our favorite secrets stories. History and hidden treasures at the walt disney world resorts including some. You probably never heard of before. http://WDWRadio.com/637 - 10 Secrets and Stories of The Walt Disney World ResortsThis week we'll look at some of our favorite secrets, stories, history, and hidden treasures of the Walt Disney World resorts... including some you probably have never heard before!Thanks to Jim Korkis for joining me again this week!What is YOUR favorite secret, story, or detail in a Walt Disney World resort? trivia question of the week and pose a new challenge for your chance to win a disney prize package and be sure to stay tuned the end of the show for more information. Updates your voicemails and more so sit back. Relax and enjoy this week's episode of the w. w. radio show Stay tuned for lots of fun. Things zippy do during your stay like every good disney. Park attraction filmon series. There are wonderful fascinating stories and a few secrets that are just waiting to be discovered and shared in the walt disney world resorts and bringing those stories to life and sharing them with. You is what i have loved doing on my show and my books and audio tours and videos for more than seventeen years and somebody else who loves sharing those fun facts and stories and loves the disney trivia minutia and history. As much as i do probably more is my longtime friend. Disney historian former cast member and the oso very prolific author mr jim caucus and because i am inspired by not just him but his new book about the hidden treasures of the walt disneyworld words together. We're going to share ten secrets and stories of the walt disney world. Resort's many that you probably never heard of. And i'd like to welcome back my friend raconteur mr jimmy caucus lewd. It's always a pleasure to Talk with you again and also be a guest on the show so i can share all these stories with your listeners because i i know they are the truly avid disney fans who just absolutely love all all things disney and they have that insatiable Appetite and we know it's an insatiable appetite. Because you've done six hundred podcasts. And you and you're still doing it. Somebody is still. It's also because this look. This is not our first rodeo. Even in terms of resorts we've talked about wilderness lodge in detail show to await old key waste on show 507 boardwalk and luna park on. Show three thirteen the disney institute on five thirty one etcetera etcetera etcetera. Because but we've gone really sort of into the deep stories with individual resorts. But today i wanted to look at some of our favorite stories and secrets and in doing so. Jim i want to encourage people like i know you do not only to listen but to learn more and to share those stories with others and buyer book of course and and not only by my book but by your Recent book on disney interviews volume. One and i will tell listeners. I was so excited about the book that i went out. And i bought the book before. I got the free copy from From lu i was excited. Because you've got the vote with your wallet. If you want a second volume of disney interviews. And i i think it's so valuable to have that material in in a book with sprint. Or whether it's i it's kindle it it's there and it's easier to access and easier to to reference rather than going back and trying to find the material on a podcast and i was just so excited because lou. I've told him this many times in person Lou has people and ask them questions that nobody else has ever asked them. And and so. That's the only place to find That material and and i love lou as an author. I wish she would write more books. I bugged him to do the interview book. I also bugged him to do a another Walt disney world trivia book and all that but but Louis just so busy juggling so many different things that that i that. I'm just grateful that he finds that Some time to to do some occasional Writing there and in my case I find that All of these stories and material or are disappearing. You know Faster than we. We would like you know at. Walt disney world has been around for fifty years now for crying out loud and and some of the things that happened. You know we're just you know. Oh yeah that happened now. We're going onto this. you know. And and all that is is forgotten and that's true of all the disney parks. You know i. I was recently doing some research on. disneyland and I was taken aback by country you believe and i'm sure some of you listening to this are big disneyland fans and all this and i i've said country jubilee and some of you were scratching your heads. It was an event like Dixie landed disneyland. That went on for years where there were there. Were famous country western performers. Who would perform at disneyland on sunday nights and they would be parts of the park that were designated for square dancing for crying out loud and i grew up in california. I went to disneyland and country. Jubilee meant nothing to me and talk. I just stumbled across it. And so you know what's happening with. Walt disneyworld is we're losing a lot of that. As well. now now with the resorts resorts are one of the things that made. Walt disneyworld a different destination. Right from the beginning The hotels and because you needed hotels because they weren't a neo cow rooms in orlando in a seventy-one nineteen seventy-one. In fact they were less than five thousand hotel and motel rooms combined in some of those weren't even very good condition and so disney had to build hotels because they wanted people to come out. It was a vacation destination. They wanted you to stay for a couple of days. Stay for a week. Whatever and so they had to build hotels but because again it's a disney and disney's storytelling company. The hotels would all have Story and that was different than what you would experience at any other vacation destination or any other hotel for for that matter and so the parks you know. They wanted everything Consistent you know. They didn't want anything to pull you out of the story You know everything had to had to work together to tell that that story and so there are all sorts of things that are hidden in plain sight. That we've all seen hundreds of times you know but we didn't pay attention because they might be fit into the story and and we were all rushing to go to the park service or through the favorite attraction whatever and so Thank you for taking the time today to Let's take a look at at at some of those things that you really need to look cat. You know a again and realize what am i looking at. And why is it there and really They enjoy it. And i hope that what this show will do is encourage people when they feel comfortable is go back to walt disneyworld back to those resorts and look at these things you know. Look at these things again and maybe look at them with a different I i i know i have friends who love going all resorts during the christmas season because they wanna see you know The gingerbread houses each of the resorts christmas decorations but there are things to see even Outside of the Holiday season and in fact lou. Why don't you start us off with with one of your favorite details. Well that's a say. What what i thought we would do for for this segment because if we start getting into a gym we could be here because this is the way we all. We could be for nine hours on a single story about a single resort because like we said there are such great back stories and histories behind the stories. And that's part of what now just we love sharing here on on the show but what you do in such great detail in your book so what i thought we would do is we would share. Ten of our favorites will sort of go back and forth. Go in with some of our favorites. Okay and it's sort of little bite sized nuggets sort of wet. The appetite lay a little bit of the groundwork and then encourage people like you said not only just to go to the resorts and see if they can find them and dig a little deeper but obviously learn more by reading your book as well and i'm going to flip it back to you because you on my friend you are my guest and i still believe in always letting guest go first. How very gracious you are and and courtesy is not dead yet. Jim corker is. I'm not gonna let it. I'm gonna fight till the very end i again. Thank you for promoting my books. And thank you for promoting my my recent book hidden treasures of walt disney world resort hotels which is available on amazon in both print and kindle. I always prefer print. But i know some people like kindle so both of those are are are out there and again as i mentioned go back and listen to some of those other shows where we've gone into details at at some of these other resorts but i'm gonna start with particular favorite of mine though. Those of you who've listened to this podcast no that you i. I have a great affection for things from the turn of the century that disney has a preserved and showcased at at their different resorts. Like we were talking about the Boardwalk earlier so one of my favorites is at the Grand floridian resort and spa. It's in The nine hundred park fair restaurant. There's this Antique fairground band oregon. called big bertha That was originally built in paris. France in the late eighteen hundreds and so Either restaurant you'll find it Installed they're about fifteen feet. The you know. Above the gas and peop- and i'll bet that a lot of you even know A big bertha's existence have never even questioned. Why is it called big bertha. You know where was it named after a popular singer from that time period. Was it you know the name of the manufacturer. It's actually called big bertha because of the female bandleader that is mounted on the front of the instrument. And it's a wonderful Band oregon it it. It can play simultaneously pipes and drums and cast their nets and bells and and symbols and a xylophone. And all of this originally was done by piano roll books. You know very very similar to what a player pianos would do now. The oregon Was used and this is the great thing about dizzy to is rescued. These things from from other places. The organ was used from nineteen o nine to nineteen fifty five in ramona park and that was an amusement park in grand rapids michigan known as the amusement mecca of western michigan. You know we. We tend to forget that. They're all sorts of amusement parks out. There were out there and the park was demolished in one thousand. Nine hundred fifty five but the three antique band organs That were used for the merry go round in the park. They went into storage in alabama for for many years and they weren't rediscovered until nineteen sixty three and restored and disney found out about it and by golly Brought it installed over there and it rarely plays because it is so loud because remember you had to be outside at a merry go round. that'd be loud enough for people to hear it now that it's inside when you play it it's like you know hearing You know This huge voice. You know blowing through everything. There you know and and the brands were ready and resort and spa has all sorts of things like that Chinese-style avery in the lobby. That was crafted in spain. The vintage victorian piano and in the lobby from an estate in georgia and You know even those eleven original maps of florida dated from seventeen. Seventy five up to You know the period of flagler railway lines in the eighteen eighties. Those are displayed out there. In the in the lobby of victoria. And albert's so Ryan floridian resort and spa rate place to to take a step back in time and Also appreciate by. Golly you know This wonderful vintage antique bandwagon has been Been safer us by disney. Thank you disney. And it actually reminds me of my actual aunt bertha who is so old and so that users around the holidays. We have to keep her outside as well. You know and that that could be the start of as urban legend those listeners year. We'll go you know big birthday. That was after lose. You know smuggling birth relatives so you mentioned you brought up grand flirty and it again. We can spend all day and we're going to do a ten things about grand florida and one of these days but it made me think about something. That actually wasn't originally on my list. Because as you were you were speaking earlier. About holidays. At walt disneyworld. I was connecting the dots in in my mind and made me think about an iconic aspect of the grand flirty and that takes place during the holidays which is of course. the lemond jello aka life-size gingerbread house. That is in their ears. Christmas and as part of the tradition and we know was sort of familiar with the facts and figures about how many hundreds of pounds of sugar and chocolate and honey that are used for that house but what people might not realize is that at the end of the holiday season when the house and the trees and everything comes down. That house is actually not thrown in the garbage. It is not fed to guess. Don't worry is not that sold at a discount but while most of the other decorations will stay up for the first week or so in january on or about january first. That house starts coming down. They start taking off the five thousand plus shingles from the house and they leave it exactly as they are and what disney does is so smart and environmentally conscious and helpful. Not just for us guests but for our insect friends because they take the shingles from the gingerbread house and they bring them to the disney tree farm to help the bees. The are fed to the bees. The bees actually come the eat the sugar throughout the winter months when it's hard for them to find food in turn the bees could give back to disney by pollinating all of the flowers and trees and beautiful horticulture elements. That are over there at the tree farm and dare i say dare i sing. It's the circle of life. Jim cork is but it is next time. You see the gingerbread house at the grand floridian know that when it's done it is going back to to help the bees that know need their own little bit of help. An intern comes and comes full circle. And even though that sounds like an awful lot of bees wax to me it it really is At a true and it also shows that even the incex on walt disney world property Eat better than you and elsewhere and are treated better and By golly You know i- disney. You know it doesn't just take care of animals You know partnering with Aca there but but takes a wonderful care of Insects and so if you take that backstage tour at the land at at at epcot the behind the seeds. Tour it. we'll give you some insights into how disney really takes care of Insects and all on on Properties there's a video of the bees all embed the video into the show so if you go to. Www dot com slash. Six three seven all embed the video there you can actually see what happens to the gingerbread house and the bees. Oh my gosh. i'm gonna look forward to seeing that. I've never seen that one before. And now i want to well. I guess i'm up to bat again here. And and you know. We have a tendency to think that it's only the deluxe Resorts that are really deeply and you know and that really is is the truth. You know If you go back and you listen to our wilderness lodge podcasts or the boardwalk podcast or whatever you know we're constantly bringing up Things to discover There but you know even the value resorts have something now. Interestingly the value resorts the rooms themselves. They're all made from the same Mold and it's almost like a motel because you have outside hallways rather than inside and all that and that. That's why the price point you know can be a little less and i. I've heard people complain. Yeah and then they just stick up some decorations about it. but there's some wonderful details like At the art of animation and again. I'm i'm a big animation Geek here you know The car section of course It's all painted to resemble the desert background of radiator springs. You know and I know we all love hidden mickey's and and and lukud actually do probably six hundred shows just on on hidden mickey. He's there hitting mickey's you know at at the resort like tires and hubcaps on the edges of the Carpet that are Organized in such a way that they look like a hidden mickey but there were also hidden cars At at the resort In this particular section. And i'll give you a hint where to look for for some of for one of those and those are in the cloud formations at the top of the buildings. Take a look at those little closely. You'll find some hidden cars but What i like is those full-sized automotive recreation of of You know lightning mcqueen. And sally made her and and Doc a there but again people are so excited about that. They don't look closely enough like on lightning mcqueen. Just like nascar cars you know. There's a bunch of ads on the cars Featuring parodies of human products like gaspar in you know and leak less adult drip pans One of my faves is Fillmore and he's covered with the bumper stickers. We've have all sorts of Clever takes on on recycling and Environment talapity and and you know those of you who are out there wanting to be a disney historian and go. Oh i'll never know as much as lou. Jim you know you know listen. Nobody has written down all of the bumper sticker sayings on fillmore. You could go do that and you could be the first to do that. There's lots of those things happening. All around the park you know And the resorts where you could do that. One of the stickers that i love is Pardon my backfire. I eat veggie fuels and Even though pixar is known for its Three d computer animation. Cgi there fill more has a stick. Good proclaims save two d animation. What what a what a hero there and his registration sticker mentions luxeuil. And for those of you who are familiar luck. So is the official Mascot of pixar. That's that little lampy jumping across the screen at the start of every film and film. His license plate is five. One two three seven. Why would jim mention something like that. What what's that. That is the birthday of george carlin. He's the comedian who voiced the character originally and in fact throughout the parks and throughout the resort when you see numbers sometimes that's the month day and year of somebody it could be imagineering could be something else Maters played is a one three which is a reference you can see in every Pixar film in fact it's the license number for all of the cars in your animated feature it refers to classroom a one one three at the institute of the arts where Students like last winter and other future pixar artists that had classes. Now here's one. That's tricky for you. If you look at louis he's played. Numbers are forty four point five asked ten point eight and you know i went okay. That's gonna mean something that's because it's so unusual. It's it's it's so out of the order. And i thought well is that a reference to the metric system they use the metric system in italy. Well a little bit more research and you find out that it's gps coordinates for raleigh manufacturing plant in italy. So you know there are all sorts of things all over the place for you to find and you're just passing right by them but Thank heavens for those. Imagine years who you know took the time to to add those little extra details in there that was just you know Terrific so is so. Obviously you've been to the art of animation. If you wanted around the car section there. Jim i am. I am both proud and sad to admit you know you mentioned like nobody's actually gone and written. I actually have done and written down all the stickers more. When i was doing i have i was doing a I was doing research for so. I do a i do a create a scavenger hunt every month for the www nation and one month. I did art animations and spent a lot of time in that section. And you're right. I mean i had to go and photograph right down and try and find out and research. What all those things meant for scavenger hunt. So i'm not sure. If that's something i should be proud of or ashamed of or neural neural. That's high and you know they thank heavens you you did you know it. It's important to have that there because those things Disappeared you remember even in Tomorrow land they had the metro phone booths where you know. They had those different messages. Did you write down those messages as well. I i actually did. Just like the newsboy in the newspaper. Jim i don't get out much. I don't really yeah. I okay okay. But but there's one that will stump even loom on jello. Okay and and again. This is something that will never be able to do now because again. That's what happens. Dizzy property is things change or things you know disappear. Whatever in mouse gear. If you looked up to your inside mask you you look up at the top and you can see those windows that had Silhouettes of Scrooge mcduck and the Huey dewey and louie and giro gear loose. You would hear them talking. Did you write down what they were talking. I i'm like oh jim i got this. It's the dream finders. Flying machine is of course. I know what you're talking about. I haven't i never didn'- i never did and now it's too late. You know they. They've they're redesigning Mouse skier now. So all of that has gone be because again unfortunately as some of disney's philosophy is they guess. Don't pay any attention to any of that. You know we can. We do luman gielen. Jim carcass were the only. Yeah i listen. I stood outside of the indiana jones. Stunt show To to write down all of those responses you get when when you pull the rope you know where it says. Don't pull the rope. I sat there. And i wrote down every variation i i could hear there and even dan. I'm not sure. I got everything on the loop that they have there. I i may or may not. Jim have on many occasions. Especially when i was first researching my audio tours. I would stand for hours in the parks by the rope by the phone booth by by speakers hidden in the In the plants recording the need audio recording the background trying to catch a certain sound or a certain audio clip. So again don't please. Did you get the audio from the talking water fountains so that cut us so i've got it from got it from out. I swear i have asked has shifted. Can you stump loom on your load talking trash. Can i don't know if i have all the audio from an i don't think talking trash can inside. Electric umbrella is still there anymore. The closest the it's the one the trash candidates near the restrooms Clue the front of the park. Because we're talking trash can was and i don't have all the audio from the talking water fountains but yet again the point of this is is. There's so much out there that we don't pay attention to the these these little things that other people you had to have a show producer a show director and show writer. Come up with these things get it produced. Get it installed and by. Golly we just took them for granted and so We take things for granted in the park. We also take things for granted at at the Resorts and in fact that liu right now is gonna share with us. Something else that at a resort there so head so you were talking about when you mentioned value resorts in going to art animations. You're right i think. Sometimes we think that a lot of these things are reserved. Maybe four the deluxe resorts. And that's very much not the case. So i'm going to To sort of jump over an in-between a couple of the all star resorts. And i'm going to go back to my favorite topic which is food. And this is one of those things gyms that has it's not nerdy details and blue montilla and jim corks crawling on the ground writing down license plates but my favorite topic which is not just the trivia but the food and some people don't realize that in many of the restaurants in walt disneyworld including some of the food courts at places like the all-star movies resort. There are secret menu items that You cannot find even if you look for them. You almost have to know what you need to know. You need to know literally like the secret code over at the roxy which is one of the sections of the world premiere fruit court. Obviously we're talking about a pre and post covid world when the food courts open back up again but over at the roxy in the world from your food court at all star movies resort. There is not just a secret menu item. But what i like to think of as a secret menu experience at the resort. Because if you go to the roxie and he go up to a cast member and you know there's no secret handshake. There's no secret wink but if you asked about the secret menu item they will go into the back and they will come out with a huge heavy metal case. It looks like nick. Fury is bringing out the tesseract. But it's even better because they open up the case and inside are too old fashioned view. Masters kids google would've on. It's like an early iphone without it being a phone and on the view. Master reels are the secret menu. Item selection including the cinnamon bun burger holy cow. I can't even see your eyes rolling. Jim they know you're looking i. I admit there's lots of things. I don't know i never knew this. Never ever i even have hit the just existed net and he's this is the cinnamon buns cinnamon bundy's cut and a burgers in the middle of it like this and it might sound gross but it's delicious actually did video about this actually wrote about this for an article. I wrote for people magazine a year two years ago. I was like this is just. It's a gimmick burger. It's an instagram burger. It's not it's actually for some reason. The magicians back stage. It works and it's really good and it's just such a fun cool like if you want to impress your friends or your kids. Whatever this is the thing to do take him to all star movies and say listen. I know something that nobody else knows. I'm gonna show you and when they pull out that case it is just so much fun. Holy cat well. I've i've heard of crispy cream burgers where where there's a hamburger patty between two crispy cream donuts. But i've never heard of a cinnamon bun burger. And i and i never and and i know that there are secret menu recipes at Many of the. Walt disneyworld locations. But i never knew this one. You know so. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. That's what i'm hearing here right now. Thank you so much actually. You should probably do a podcast on many of the Secret menu items that that that existed that walt disneyworld you know and i know that some of them are constantly changing and some of them just like other things that disney have disappeared over the years. You you just can't even on a secret menu anymore. Terrific stuff my gosh you. You're clever illumine von jello okay. Well I i can't top that but i will. I will go to one of my favorites. Which is At the Polynesian village resort. And again. I i love the polynesian. I i love the polynesian did. It's just even though it's constantly going through all sorts of changes there and and shifts and You know it. It's just so and even the boutique shop for crying out loud has it has a story of of Mischievous kiki's who sleep during the day and then at night they come out to frolic and and mischief and then when daylight comes. They're they're frozen and all these odd Physicians you know the including a tiki with his finger to his lips. Selling you you know. Don't reveal our secret and and all of those were hand carved in In bali so you know lots of wonderful things but but one of my favorites is The good cooing nut tree. Now it is the only one of its kind in the state of florida It was brought here from hawaii It's often mentioned in hawaiian Literature it it still flourishes in the islands of polynesia the candle and that it's the it's known as the candle and the tree but everybody calls it the kukui nut free and it's the Since nineteen fifty nine. It's been the official state tree of of hawaii and it can grow to over eighty feet tall and and it it. It's there to represent you know Friendship and The cooing it. They use for everything they can. They use it as a medicine as a shampoo as a die as a A policies even make a little children's At toy out of it they can place knots. Hollow piece of bamboo and light it and it becomes a torch but that's not all it can i. Actually the tree itself can be carved into a canoe and the seeds in the nut can be used as a a primitive Candle you know or or or burned in stone lamps and So what the cocooning that for years is By tradition you can't plant one yourself It has to be given as a gift and planted by someone who gives that that gift. And so that's actually what happened on the twenty first twenty fifth anniversary of the polynesian in april nineteen ninety seven a hotel guest it and and you can't plan it out in the front has to be planted out in the back so as you exit the ceremonial house. It's out there Towards the right. And by golly the one there at the polynesian it's it's survived a lightning strike at Survived being uprooted by hurricanes. It it was almost frozen during a unseasonable. Florida cold snap Out here in. We do have winter. It's for two weeks but it's not consecutive days answer it can get cold And a lot of people don't realize is that at the base of the tree When it was planted there in nineteen seventy nine is ninety seven and ninety seven There's a time capsule buried there. So i don't know when it's planned to be reopened. It's been there for for a while but it it's there and you know we used to flower leis but with flower. Leis are at a temporary. You know they they disintegrate you know So the cooing lays Last forever and they were considered highly prestigious and sacred. And they were only warn by the kings of hawaii but the team at the polynesian Where's the queen. Not as they take a look at them. They're they're these black lays a around there and the reason why they lay were is not because they're the represent you know kings It's there to light the way For the rest of the staff you know to provide that. Uh oh ana feeling of embracing peace and happiness and and hospitality. And so for me. One of the great little in frederick is there's so many great on walt disney world property. You know you. You've got the the tree over at old man island. You got the one in liberty square. You've got some really great trees on. Walt disneyworld Property but but for me one of my favorite trees is at the polynesian. You know is a grab a dole without there by golly and and and sit and take a look at the tree and go. This is the only one in the state of florida. So i i know you've seen the tree right lou. I have but i knew none of those stories including about the time capsule of the entire time you were talking i was i love the cocoon up but now i want some noodles from ohana an adult whip for dessert so anti and thank thank heavens. The polynesian offers Bill whip right so you don't have to go to adventure land in the magic kingdom and battled through the crowds all you have to go to the polynesian and and in fact sometimes when i have groups out here where we're giving a tour or whatever is out they can and i'll i'll get them bill whipped and then we'll walk out to the lagoon to watch the start of the electrical water pageant. We which again is another you know wonderful. Treat for those people at the resort. That concludes part. One of our look into the secrets and stories of the walt disney world resort. Stay tuned next week for part two. But in the meantime come to the wwe clubhouse on facebook w w radio dot com slash clubhouse talk about the secrets and stories. We've shared so far and come and share your favorite secret stories from your favorite resorts in the clubhouse as well. It's time for our trivia question of the week ryan white enough test your knowledge of walt disney world. History or see. 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Questlove Talks to Mark Ronson on FADER Uncovered Podcast

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Questlove Talks to Mark Ronson on FADER Uncovered Podcast

"It was still a thriller being on the cover of the fader because the faded has had such cool cachet at that moment and it was almost like if you got two big. You couldn't be on the cover fate or anyone like i. I don't even know. I'm hosting the show. Never even been written about in the veta- before like that's how cool a feder- is but do you remember the feeling when you've got you've going to be on the cover when you first saw. Well yeah i mean it was important to me simply because we weren't exactly cover material for the mainstream periodicals. It wasn't rolling stone. Time in tariq got on the cover the source says far as i was concerned the fact that the fare gave us a look like that was kind of a big deal at a time. It was a really cool cover and actually the whole issue. It just reminded me that there was a moment when the fader was like the american version of the face like inside. It's cody chestnut these fashion stories like a world cup preview. You guys on the cover shadow on the back. There was like that was the absolute hippest thing. I remember around that time. I'm mark ronson. And this is the fater uncovered podcasts in this interview series. I'll be speaking with some of the most influential groundbreaking musicians in the world from genre defining stars to avant-garde trailblazers about their lives and careers. Each episode will be rooted in these musicians. Iconic fader cover stories an institution that over the past two decades has told artists stories. Like no other. the podcast. Chance for us to talk about the past present and future reflecting on their breakthroughs diving into their lives when they're covers hit shelves and discussing what the future might hold now. And it's an opportunity for me to speak to some of the artist i most admire. This is the fater uncovered with mark ronson. Today i'm talking with amir quest of thomson. One of the greatest drummers ever and the backbone of the legendary roots crew quest was a founding member of the roots back in philly in nineteen eighty seven since then they've gone to pick up countless awards including three grammys release some of the most thought provoking hard hitting decks just hip hop of all time quest also written three books most recently creative quest a meditation on creativity released in two thousand eighteen. His directorial debut summer of soul a film about the nineteen. Sixty-nine harlem cultural festival permit at sundance in two thousand twenty one and went on to win the esteemed grand jury prize. He's also a good friend. Even though his trademark deadpan no nonsense demeanor did have me thinking he thought i was fraud for the first seventeen years of that friendship for the first time he got in the drum booth on a record i produce acosta sta to the most recent one we did together with the aba. I always know a song about to go to the next level when he gets on it. His talent his instincts his dedication to the craft and his insane knowledge of music history combined to make him an unparalleled contributor. What was that feeling like. This is just before phonology came out. He spent three years in the studio expectations at this kind of crazy high. Because you had this commercial breakthrough now as well as all the critical acclaim. You've had like voodoo mama's gun fantastic like water for chocolate all these things like what was it fraud or were you just like sitting on it. Like we're about to fucking shock the world here. What was it. What was the mood like. So the very first class that i taught at. Nyu was about departure records. We looked at like ten notable departure records usually like a departure record. Is the album in the canon in which an artist takes a drastic left turn. After massive commercial success usually disguised as the art record or the experimental record that sort of thing but every every artist has their version of that album. I think the only artist in history. That i can recall that actually tried to rise to the challenge and make that filmon. Louise cliffe jump Attempt to was michael jackson's bed right because history will show that if you release a thriller chances are you know. Prince did around the world and the day in the beastie. Boys did paul's boutique and usually after a big record so does a drastic left turning their career. And usually i was trying to study to see like how much is self sabotage planet. Yeah i remember when we were mixing the album before the roots come alive which was basically like a collection of five live shows that we recorded across the world and hearing it as we were mixing it was you know man. These songs are right and you also got to keep in mind that during that time period between ninety three and two thousand eight the roots were doing at least two hundred shows a year just night after night after night after night. Like six hundred shows since things fall apart of doing like low temple. Things wanted us to break free and just do something drastic. That was like more high energy. Just something more high powered when we perform in concert. So i think that's where my mind was like. Let's create an album that faster. That's harder hitting so that way when we do it in concert. It's not the slow like it's one thing play songs. But when i was mixing especially with like if you listen to the next movement on the roots come alive. I'm like not since parliament. Funded delic have. I ever saw an act play their music. Ask slow as it is on the record right now. Also not a fan of like when people go totally vegas breakneck. Speed like lauren. Hill is a great example. If you see her in the last five years she'll do all those solves at like breakneck speed. Because i think very head. They're like got create excitement and concert. So i just remember at the time just wanting to do something faster. Also it's a much raw record because you'd really honed between the next movement and you've got me and the sound of things it was just so it had your salvador's also really sonically just like sharp. It was the chronic. steely dan. random access memories. It has that it's in that thing and you just it's almost like you just said like fuck. It would just use the room mics on this. One like elvis wasn't for every sound but it had that feeling of like i wanted to feel as rawes. It does in the room when we're listening to it. Well the rule was. Let's do the opposite and let's do what we'd never done before. Which can be a dangerous thing but i think at the time. What i didn't expect was one for things fall. Apart to be like a breakthrough record. I automatically thought we were going to be there. There was a depot box set that came out next to public. Enemy's greatest misses the most self deprecating compilation. All that i've ever heard that genius was devos pioneers who got scalped right and you know the time period. I was just like okay. I guess we're going to be like hip hop fishbone like the best bam at the world's never going to know about so i was ready to just settle into that. No one's going catch onto this no matter what we do. And when things fall apart blew up and subsequently when the entire living room occupants of my jam sessions during that period between ninety seven and two thousand and one everyone that was in that living room suddenly started to go platinum. So who who we talk we talk about bellagio scott. Nineteen ninety-seven was jill. Scott music allow jasmine sullivan. All ten years old. Who else was i mean. You know most common like everybody would come through so you're not even talking like conceptual you're saying literally your living room in. Philly is where these jam sessions would take place. We decided in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven that you know when the half-life came out that was almost like are close but no cigar moment because like what they do just started getting play on tv. We'd like oh this is. Our moment is our moment. I mean they all eventually crept the gold and twenty five years but like back then it just started at like four hundred thousand and we were worried because they were spending a gargantuan amount of money on us and the critical acclaim was there at the live show was there everything was there except for like us finding an audience that would commit to buying the music and so having lived in london between ninety three ninety seven we decided to take everything we learned in london and bring it back to america and the jam session was one of those things so in ninety seven. We did this thing. Where we you know put in our budget that we needed to fifteen passenger vans. We needed a chef. We needed some road and the labels like hey wait a minute. What are you guys doing. And we explained to them like oh. We got to write a story. We have to create a movement in order for this to work. And what we discovered was if you do it alone your distant island on your own and at best you could hope for like weird how ida or you know the guys that did macarena like a singular success but if you do it as a movement and we explained to them like stevie wonder the motown movement it's not just Whatever britney spears. it's it's the idea that disney movement with christina and think you know the the orlando and so they were like well. Why the chef and we're like you'll never get people to come to our house where gm session unless you have free food. And we hired the best chef in philadelphia was terri from zanzibar blue came in cooked and of course everyone was like free. Food at the root house at costlo's living room. And these people just happened to be beanie siegel freeway eve jill. In some weeks i Kindred the family soul team from kindred the family soul new his homegirl india from atlanta. She plays acoustic. Guitars will come up. So india re came few times crazy. It was in my living room. But after a while i got tired of it and i was the guy that i would karen my own house like i would call. There's a disturbance at. Doesn't somebody by looking at the phone like wait. Aren't you calling from his house right. Now hurry up disturbed. Like i was the guy that would call the cops on my part because you know jams hasn't were going to like three. Am yeah and like people were putting their weed out on my rug and it was like that moment added to most ridiculous. I'll say that you know my boy who was like producing these. He was trying to make like a criss cross and they're like our homegirl sings. She's she's not a dope voice. She sounds like an adult and they brought this third grader over. And i'm like what no no. No there's too much we'd here and all that stuff but they beg. Please let saying it was jasmine sullivan. And even during that four year. Tenure of her always singing. She would sleep in the car on the back in the back of her. Dad's car com eleven. Thirty when it's time for her to start singing he wake up. Bring her in. She singer three songs and then go to school. The next day the other ridiculousness was me coming home from tour and realizing that the pizza guy is now on the microphone. And i'm like. Oh this showtime at the apollo like everybody can get a chance on like this past what i thought it was now. It's just like everyone doing a free for all like the pizza guys now singing on the mike and that pizza guy wound up being music soul child. Well then like floetry came where we heard about the gym sessions. So my whole point was that by ninety nine adding spec the roots to blow up. And i definitely didn't expect what we were doing. Our living room to resonate to the entire world so come three years later where this is now the standard. I think half of me was like well. Now do the opposite of that. Because now everyone's doing this and i just want to do something faster because i didn't like the slow temple of our songs on stage at the time we're also subsequently working on commons electric circus at the same time. Yeah and dila was really adamant about. We're gonna leave our comfort zone. You're not allowed to play the drums set. You played on the last albums. The voodoo set. Get it out of here. No more piccolo. Snare pickup de giants snare. Start in your tomtoms it. Your symbols like was sort like a coach telling us do the exact opposite of what we did and he said same thing. I'm messing with keyboards. I never messed with before and so we were just in that mind state. Those albums are twins to me. And that's how it wound up challenging like it did for a good chunk. It seemed as if anything important in so music was coming out of philly. Jill scott below music soul child dram vidal who wrote butterflies for mj. Caught up for usher and so many other jams. It was as if it was the seventy s again. The era of the sound of philadelphia. Teddy pendergrast the intruders. Even david bowie had visit sigma sound in philly to make his quote unquote soul record. Young americans liverpool in the sixties seattle in the nineties. Something happens in an area when a key artis makes it and inspires and elevates all those around them. Healthy competition is never a bad thing. Either i remember my early trips to philly around this time being in jazzy. Jeff studio jeff. No longer will smith's ex. Dj but also the patriarch of this vibrant news. Seen did you do most of the tracking an electric lady because Obviously electric lady. Was i think of it when i think of mama's gun i think of voodoo of but you guys are obviously still philly band. Okay so the deal was that tariq was real comfortable doing is vocals at the place called the studio and the studios like one of the first studios that i knew that actually had like open loft windows like most studios. I closed in. It's dark you don't know if it's or nights like vegas you know what i mean. It's in the same building. Where larry gold is in philly. Yeah the larry. Larry gold jackley. Yeah so it was a law five there in tariq really like doing his vocals there so the vocals were mainly done there. I did most of my drum tracking at electric lady. I'll say that the heart of the album. That i put a lot of work in of course was water so definitely remember james blood ulmer masterful avant-garde guitarist m being very skeptical like him and rufus harley when rufus harley did back pipes on d what more he was just as skeptical like i call them ceremony german. A group called the roots. I'm a big fan of yours data and it's like all over black jazz guys in all black blues guys are all the same ilk of not trusting. Wait so you want me. You want me to be on your record like he couldn't believe that and so it was this whole thing like war you know. I wanted to cash in hand in a paper bag and you know so. Yeah i had to have like two thousand dollars. Cash the second steps in the studio so he knew it wasn't a hoax and you won't become jimi hendrix is studio to play on your record year right so he he didn't believe it one bit but Yeah we did a majority of water. There thought at work. We definitely did there. The poem with amiri baraka. Who i was the seed all right so this is what i've learned. This is what i learned in history. This is what Steven van zandt taught me. He taught me that. Some of the biggest songs in histories were like afterthoughts. Yeah so like twist and shout was a result of like eisley brothers have in like ten minutes left on their dime at the studio. So they're like oh. We got ten minutes left. Let's run. that's making fun of this morning. That sort of thing tequila. The same thing to kilo was done with like five minutes left in a session. All remember about the seed was people often ask why left the false start on the track. I was late for date night. Cody's flight had come in late like three hours late. And so as i was expecting thought like okay. Well should be like four hours. Attractive songs should be that long so he gets to the studio with light ten minutes to spare and i was on date night with somebody really important and i wasn't about the standards girl up just to do the song so literally with my coat on and my backpack or my back like that's how much thought put into it. I was just like well. Let's this real quick in so we ran it. And i didn't want russell elevates rewind the real to reel that would wasted like another three minutes so i was just like not just keep rolling one more time one more time and literally when that symbol hits at the end. You can hear me in name racket. Rollo you can hear me run out the studio you. The door closed in. And i'm running for my life to get on eighth avenue to get a cab to get to my date like that's how much i put no thought whatsoever. Yeah it just goes to show you that sometimes when you don't plan something it works. I think that we must have met properly nine hundred ninety nine electric lady. So you'd come into play with. Pino on the nika costs a record. But i remember walking around electric lady. That was like my first time ever in a real studio. And i would like we walking down the halls and like derby like common like with a forty his hand looking like a bit lost his he was like why can own this place. I can go in anywhere. my one. He'd just come in. And hang out in arm for awhile. And then i would see erica and i felt like he probably had apple juice. Then erica got into. It was so crazy. I it was just like i was so beyond this wide eyed kid see my heroes only a couple of years older than me but the mythology around this studio because of what the so aquarians did I mean just can we talk about the energy and electric lady around that time. Yeah i'll say that you know the beginning of the residency of the electric ladies period. It definitely starts with the angelo. The last song we worked on for our l. dove half-life album was the hypnotic with the angela. We carved out two days to do it at sigma sound philly. He's so genius with his precision that he knocked it out and like three hours. So we had all this time on our hands so we spent the rest of the day sort of testing each other's music. Iq out like okay. This roy air saw you know the stevie wonder song firestone so in a half hour we knew like okay. We're brothers and so the next day. I believe he brings in real or song called bitch and asked me to play on it i think. Initially we went to battery studio to do it. You know the environment just wasn't vibe to him. So i think dominic chenier had recommended to him to go to electric lady studios in told him a history. You know stevie wonder recorded music my mind talking book and all that stuff so the second session for voodoo wound up being an electric lady or we didn't know is that it was going to take four years to make so for me. It was like college because even though we did a lot of jamming we did a lot of jamming a lot of preparation. A lot of show preparation in. it's almost like making. that album. Was maybe in six place and so we just live there so there was a point. Where if i felt i was needed for diangelo and i had to do something for the roots because at this time we're starting to do things fall apart then i would just quietly Studio b down the hall. Do my route stuff emend. Deangelis gets there around seven o'clock and then we work on voodoo and then you know then common was sort of in the same space where he's like. Oh i'm going catch some of that magic that you you guys got an again like we worked on the last song. He worked on for his record before on day. It all makes sense. Was the song with erica all night long and the lauren hill. Song are retrospect for life that brings in james poyser and so suddenly commons dislike. Well i want to set up shop in studio b's since y'all gonna be here all the time and you said deangelis doesn't start until seven so maybe we can do like eleven in the morning till seven and you'd go d- not that well okay astrid and then after that then it just became fully operational. So i mean by the time. Erica came in and do mama's gun. We were already on tour with diangelo. But james poyser came home to start working with erica or mama's gun halfway through the tour at it's crazy as it was just like a free four and i'll say that One of the folklore stories of it was chicken grease was initially for common. That was a common song right and Deangelis just happened to come in at the tail end of it and pulled to the side. And he's like yeoman goodwill he don't deserve that form that's my funk man. I got to hear that. So and i was like oh man like this were him and he's like i got. I gotta have that song. I don't care so then it just so happens. That was also the same week in which i believe after like three or four failed attempts to get lauren hill to come down to the studio to do her duet on the voodoo record. He did her record. Nothing even matters than she come in. Reciprocating does his and there was a lot of drama. I remember at the time because she was quite religious and her husband had certain views about like singing a song with a man that shows a married to like. I 'cause you know. Dominic was my managed to catch. Like wins this. Iram i just see. That's an exclusive. I didn't know that. I just thought she was busy on tour and it was a very like jason accent managing laura dominate managing. Dangelo like a very chestnuts. Like everyone wanted it to happen. But i even remember twenty years later like the what was going on kelly. Well that's news to me. Well okay. I guess it makes sense explains a lot because initially was adila solemn that they were going to do that didn't happen and then the song that wound up being ghetto heaven on common's album was our second attempt at it but we were just jamming. The group was good. It was like seven minutes. The third option was like well. Let's do a cover. Let's do eugene mcdaniels. That's the time i feel like making love. The fourth option was just just do it by yourself without lauren. I remember when he said yo man. That's my song. I need that song. And i was just like well. Let's do a trade off like can can you have one of the joints we worked on and so his ear. Whatever and once. I realized that that's the time was going to be the new lorne enticement song. I asked him or. Let's do that second song. We meant for lauren common. Have that join. And he agreed so then they made a trade with each other and the thing was it really. Didn't stop it. stop it all wants. Two thousand came when the first round of brackets came so it even got crazier between two thousand and two thousand three when everyone was working on their electric lady. Follow up records to me was just one of my favorite times in drumming and i still get excited every time. I walked down the stairs. Impasse that mural our say like wow nine times out of ten i always create something magical when i come here and you know that even counts. Were you with ebbs with the other. Thanks fan the amount of phone calls from her peers. That i've gotten over that song. It's like wow. I missed since the days of the early ought at electric lady. Oh great which over distance. Yes oh great. Yeah because obviously her racket is coming in here. And you're such a huge part of that. And i don't know if you recognize but i'm sitting in a right now which i feel like if anything you should be here but yeah i was gonna say you're either at electric lady or you pull the prince and have them design exactly as is house. I'm super jealous or fantasy screensaver. Actually so now that you're really talking about that period between ninety nine thousand two thousand one. It makes phonology. Actually even braver. Because not only you breaking from the root sound but you buy like brute force have dragged all of the air of hip hop and arm be town now suddenly be used to this. Been huge records untitled. The light like we said that eric has stuff and this is at the moment where you could fully cash in and be like okay. Finally they've all caught up to us and we're gonna do this big record and that's actually makes it even more crazy that you're just like like turn the car around. I'll tell you exactly. When i knew there was a change in the air. I was wondering around like late. Two thousand once that once. The tour was over in october and it was back to the roots. I was wondering to myself like by the time we finish this. Follow up record. Will we be able to sound the same or will we be one of million people sounding like because there was just a point where point where they're doing like neil soul co- commercials and all those things like. Suddenly we became the mainstream nineteen ninety-seven was on my mind and which i felt that that was the paradigm shift for hip hop in which hip hop finally became what it was once against. I just didn't know if we made an album similar to things fall apart if that would have been satisfactory and you made a great observation about you. Know the open mics and everything. Because the first thing i did was got out of that booth or you remember now but there was a cubbyhole that they built for me like a little miniature house inside of studio a in which that's where the drums were and it was a tight room that way i wouldn't bleed on top of whatever d. Was doing on piano or any of the live. Mike i was. That's what you got your signature. Sound like really because it was a tight air. The was just had. That definition was crazy. Very tight down right and then the challenge number one was well. Let's come out of that cubbyhole into the main room. Some members spent a lot of time with russ elevator like trying to like. I didn't want to sound like system of a down. Or because the very first thing i did outside of that room there was a month where i worked with zach dealer rotor on his first solo record back in two thousand and i figure well let's go into the main hall of studio a to get a bigger boomer sound so it was more closer to like john bonham than j. diller. I was wondering like a should this be the sound of phonology. Should not be the sound of phonology. Not sure maybe mid recording we decided. Let's do everything that we're not supposed to do Because even with break you off the story behind break you off. Was the king of comedy walter. Latham who's kind of a promoter manager who sort of was instrumental in the careers of cedric. The entertainer and steve harvey like all those guys from being local comedians to like national stage. He's the one that put together the spike lee. The kings of comedy concert film. Walter wanted to do a black sketch show. It been a longtime simpson lemon color and so we shot a pilot for a black. Snl back in very early. Two thousand two and his idea was like i want the roots to be the house band. And let's say every episode maybe one or two guests sit in with the root right. How apropos that little. Did i know that life would be in seven years having no experience in that world whatsoever. We didn't know what we were going to do or were camera blocking for like an hour. It was some song that i think in e minor. Some mike sean. Paul song that i don't know kamal was making fun of it or whatever but he was just noodle around to music started singing to it so then break you off gets born. Maybe like seven minutes later. Because we're just camera blocking. But i had no clue the rest of the roots like a. That's a song late. Amir's dislike okay. This is the seven jam for camera blocking mets it because i had went away to work on some and came home and they were working on. Break you off and like wait a minute. This is the sound from From that camera blocking right. And they're like yeah. Let's do it. And i was like. Oh i don't know man this is it's like a cheesy. R&b song that's when my manager. Richard was like well. That's going to be the allen. Let's let's do everything we're not supposed to do once. He presented that challenge to me. Then that's when i started took it to the hill or is just like every song that's even though it's normalized now. Though song for analogy. I would never think like. None of those sauce could have ever fit on. D want more illustrate half-life or swell apart her a bold change direction is one of the toughest things and artists can do especially. When you've just broken to the mainstream. I mean it's the musical equivalent of burning a bag of money. You know people like this thing. You've already done now. You can milk it. You can get gigs sponsorships. But instead you do a one. Eighty the great artists do it. All the time konya radiohead bowie. I mean that's why they are the great ones but at that time it feels like you're risking everything. 'cause you are only your gut the thing that makes your hair stand up when you're listening back to some new jam some new songs some new idea. You just worked on. That's the only thing you can really count on in these instances to show you the way. I can't imagine that everybody in the band shared your same kind of brave new world thing on it like you guys have worked like you said two hundred. Two hundred fifty dates a year touring. You finally got to this place where the rest of the world is caught up with the sound. you're making. You're like all right guys. We're going to do this now. Was it hard to convince everybody else. In the group where were are pretty unified vision well at the time. Tariq is also trying to wrestle with what was once masterpiece theatre is solo record. So think with him. It wasn't church or state. I think that was one of his bouts. With writer's block and he put all of his energy into masterpiece theatre but my manager. Rich is very big. On like touring season and time deadlines and all those things you know. He'll be like all right eight months. We got to have his record in eight months editor. I mean he has a way of cracking the whip that sorta just pulls you out of it and it's either like you get down or you don't get down now i'm not saying with tariq there's an option to not get down because you can't have an album without a lead vocalist but i'll say at the time. We had expanded the grouping kenny who now plays with incubus. Start qatar with us. Scratch had join the group as vocal percussionist. At the time. We were all just a little tired like it wasn't just things fall apart like those three years things fall apart is one thing but you gotta understand. We've been together since high school That seven year period from high school that led to the record deal and all the busking we had to do on the corners and all the cars we cram into and then that period where we lived in london in poverty for like three to four years. Touring these horrible tour buses and playing the audiences in the basement of like some sweetest like bar. Red light district area for like twelve people. We have been together more than we been with our families by this point so i just think there is a need for a jolt. Yeah change if you will. So i think we were all aboard for because it just. It was different and exciting. This song that has the most unconventional for hip hop bracket is obviously c. Two point oh and that was a straight club. Bang like i remember. I had a twelve inch. Maybe i even had to have an an english twelve inch. You had to play on forty five. Maybe it wasn't on a twelve inch in america. I needed it to play in the club. And i remember that should just like going off in clubs especially hip hop clubs in london that i was starting to play in. Dj would play that out of steady. She goes by the rack and tours. I remember one time and like this was like a hip hop and the walls are like sweating like. That's that's a full-on banger. Like like in the roots catalog. That is one of my biggest dancefloor records to play my story. With cody starts. Actually with butterfly. Schmil butler dig will plant it. He had had cody's demo for the longest and he had shared it with a dream hampton director writer and she let me hear bitch on brooke. She picked me up. We were doing a show in detroit. And i heard bitch. I'm broke and i thought it was the most hilarious it ever. She played a serve this world. He then she played life in america. All i want is put a gimme some religion and i thought this is fucking brilliant. Who is this guy. She kept it secret secret and we had to go to a gas station. And i'm in the passenger seat. And she got out the pay for the gas. And i just took a sneak and look coach to tease into. This is the power of media. So i went on okay player and i was like have you guys ever heard of a cody chestnut. I think he's from los angeles. Like if anyone can point me is direction. I would appreciate it and it just so happens that an intern at mca happen to hit me and says yo you're coming in the office tomorrow right is like i got a guy you posted about. We were in la the next day and we go to the throwaway been and like ten of his demos earned the trash you whole headphone masterpiece as we know the whole thing immature. That's crazy and i was like wait. What and i grabbed it. You want these and they gave me those ten copies. I was like yo. This is incredible. Look like yeah. This is so low. Fine whatever me enrich. Try to explain to them. That what we liked about cody's version of rock music like oftentimes especially with like black people and their mind. Rock is like when you see like beavis and butthead do like the hand signal yeah that sort of thing like in their minds is always like iron man by black. Savage like smells like teen spirit like just balls to the wall. That's just one thing that would be like just picking naughty by nature as your hip hop experience and nothing else right when there is such a spectrum of it. We were trying to explain to them like. Oh this is this is like part early. Stones like a little bit of velvet underground. You know like these traces van mars in like there's a level of rock in here that you rarely hear from black rockers. That feels authentic in lo fi and so we looked at the number on the cd. It was his cousin dhanray and we told him the story like yo. I heard this on a gas station and as fast as you could say meet me. We met them in l. a. and then in two weeks on date night They came to new york city to to cut the sea with us in. You know it's crazy. It's been crazy. Ever since i can't remember the chronology then so you guys cut the see with him and then between then and went phonology actually was released to the headphone masterpiece. Come out in other. Did he get his version out to the public eventually before. Your version came. By the time the heifer masterpiece was done on a local dismay maybe a thousand pieces sort of thing but they also saw and seized an opportunity to ramp up support for cody and get his record to come out the same time. If i'm not mistaken we got word in august. That mca records might be imploding. Which is weird considering that they had a really stellar year. As far as their frolic was concerned. And i always joke that. I will never slander. Shaggy's it wasn't me jody's all my life because the prophets reaped from that single probably singlehandedly covered our video budgets for things fall apart and all of our promotion. Yeah they said you guys better think shaggy and the same with all my life was for phonology but we got word in august. That mca was about to implode because we wanted to release for analogy like maybe february of two thousand and three because we felt like the first quarter that dead period. Vava's our sweet spot. Nobody else had records out the time and here come the roots. Everybody put out their big records. At christmas i remember you. Look at a douse records like you. If you're a new with a shot chart big you go and january february. 'cause it's a little quiet. Yeah you gotta wait till traffic is down like things fall. Apart came out february. Twenty third matt was purpose like let everyone do their sit in one thousand nine hundred eighty and then will come out but when we got word in august that maybe the labels going to implode are rich was like well. No we gotta come out november. It was almost like insider trading and we finally got word in september that the label will be no more december. First of two thousand. And two m richard's like well. What do we have to do to make all the budgets or approved ambit. This goes according to plan and they said well you would have to release it. The third week of november. And i remember going to common and say you know you might want to put out electric circus. Maybe like a month earlier because this is going to happen. And i think him and his people were just like We'll be called. Because they had some sort of leverage with the neptune sawn come close on there was a two week difference between the two records and because we had all of our budgets approve and all that stuff we were able to successfully push that album gold. We weren't expecting the have lightning strike twice especially with such an anti roots record but because his came out two weeks later unfortunately that record didn't do well for him. I went to look at the charts that week. That phonology came out. Just because it's always you know getting old now. So like just all eras fold into each other. And i was like what was that exactly and it was justified. The eminem show eight mile under construction blueprint. Who is sort of wild. Because when i think of most of them and they all had their own progressive kind of mind-blowing things about them or at least most of them. But when i listened to the seed or water it certainly sounds fresher than those things. I'm not expecting you get on here and just like this. Everyone is not a neighbor x. Jacket right that was nine. X abor apex jacket. Time like rockaway jeans five x two big like white t shirts to your knees era and it didn't feel like that you know what i mean. Yeah when i create records my number one goal is to make sure that in twenty years i can play it and it not be cringe-worthy like oh yeah that's definitely two thousand and three right there. Yeah definitely there's no. There's no way to identify where period it came from. That's always my goal with the roots record. And what am i other most treasured twelve inches because it obviously never came out because the sample wasn't cleared with the original version of thought at work with the with the beatles sample which is just like one of the greatest like i must have played that white label about seven hundred times that year like obviously. I'm a big fan of apache break. Beats anything that's that hip hop but it must have been a bit of a gut punch when not being able to get that sample cleared i sorta. It was at the time which is weird considering that like yeah would easily clear this for you. I love this. And then john bronco michael jackson's during light love you guys have done it for you are really the lesson. I learned there was oftentimes. You gotta figure out how to cut through red tape. That's the last time. I let a representatives let the label talk to their label owner. After that i learned that. Oh if you go directly to the source and ask it's always a different result right now. You could call. Paul mccartney shah. Yeah man. hey hey dog was. One of my favorites from yellow summary like yellow submarine was like always a childhood record to me like what carol kings really. Rosie is to some people or marlo. Thomas read you and me. Like i don't know why i always felt a yellow submarine was like a kid's record when it wasn't but i always felt like it was a kids record and i love that song so i initially made it for two weeks masterpiece theater album. Because he was such a fan of kool g rap's minute work On his debut record. I was just like yeah we. We have to make a thought at work like you rhyming over apache koji rapin just going off and so it was. It was a heartbreak then but we should get it cleared for the twentieth anniversary. Phonology to throw it on that. That would be amazing. You don't think i'm working that right now. So next year is the twentieth anniversary phonology. I'm definitely trying to get my ducks in order for that. It's definitely crazy to think. Now the love do. I think of is. Maybe the most connected respected figuring music couldn't get a beetle sample cleared but back. Then you'd get a letter from some attorney saying sorry access denied and that really did seem like the end of it. There's very few feelings worse than making record falling in love with it. You can't wait for the dj's the clubs the world to hear it and then you find out you have to rework the whole thing because the sam buildings there or you can't afford it. It's the gift curse cursive sampling. Maybe because the music was never fully yours to begin with you know in those days. I was essentially a club. Dj so that's kind of how i listen to music. You know i kind of needle. What can i play. What can i play. I wasn't really at that point where i was listening. Deeply to records. Because i was zhang six nights a week six hours a night like i just didn't want to hear music in my off night so really listening to phonology recently is more where i've gone into the record and water just struck me. I mean obviously for emotional reasons. But the epa kness and it's it's like avangard in it feels like birth at times and it's incredible and it's obviously you're strong and tariq statement on me but it would be really great if it's okay to talk about that song because it's so special. Oh yeah absolutely. In hindsight when you're dealing with someone their struggle issues with narcotics especially. I mean there comes a point where you're wondering like if you're enabling them or if you're helping them or if you're entering them like okay well give you money this week. Give you mind this week that you know. Is it helping a hurting. And there was just a point where around early two thousand and two became like downright dangerous Even professionally for us. It was becoming detrimental like we had to go to larry gold studio to set up shop there because we had gotten kicked out of sigma because of one. Alex antics yeah. It's one thing when you're able to cover it up and not involved the world in it but you know there's a point after two thousand and one where everybody in the mother had these sightings and whatnot end just the constant three am phone calls about he got incarcerated or something it became an absolute nair like we never had a discussion like well. Let's do a song about it for tariq. It was therapeutic to just address. A matt way because that was the only way like we've done. The intervention talks sit you down with a family members. Do that whole thing where we all share in a circle where it is and what we're feeling and it really wasn't getting through to him to refill. This is the best way to express himself with it. I guess with a expanding it to this ten minute statement. I know that oftentimes songs like of that. Level could sorta be seen as self-indulgent thing but in my mind. I wanted to paint sort of a scene that lets you know what literal nightmare that situation was. We're every day you wake up expecting to get that phone. Call of yeah. I got arrested. I got got a bill or broken. Someone's car or whatever like it was that bad just the constant even in terms of when he passed away people questions like what are the roots admitted. We kept us very close to the chest even till his last breath like we were is literal life support and not just like hears money. Goes you know trying to get him. Help china that sort of thing. I guess you could say that. That was more of a cathartic act for both tariq n. I yeah to deal with whatever. The anxiety was in dealing with malik in that whole situation. There's so much that you can hear your anger times. You know the music gets quite furious. And then there's this thing going on in the background kinda keyboard thing that is just going i. It's just some core pattern. He's playing but to me. It sounded like a life support machine like in a hospital. I'm sure it's just my own weird. Abject take on it but it goes through all these movements and it's so it's such a moving piece of music and put that in the middle of the album you know as you're it's almost like it's not a letter obviously but it's showing how much you care but at the same time it within this piece of music. I mean the thing is when you confronting somebody you run the risk of being passive aggressive or sort of out of line. We weren't trying to be adversarial or confrontational to the point where it was done in an embarrassing way. Low isn't like a diss record. Or you know that sort of thing is. I can tell you. Listen to things closely. The weirdest part of crafting. That song was when i realized that. I've found james blood armor. This is like maybe six days after finding him and he was coming to alleged glady. I realized off the bat that weight. I have no musical backdrop like i'm bringing him here to do free jazz on song and i don't have anything yet crap. What do i do because of the guys were in philly. And so usually when the way that i craft songs if we do it like abbey road style. If i'm just by myself. I will noodle on something until you get the idea of it and then i play for the ban like okay. This is where. I was trying to go forward this core. Oh yeah that's it. that's all right. Can you do that. So there is a real at electric lady. There weren't that. Many routes rails. They're like five reels there. But one of those reels had us trying to flip biggies unbelievable Shed just one chord. James right and i remember taking that real sampling it in two thousand and i just used it as a temporary placement. Yeah until i got either kamala james to like do something else on top of it and i just never got to it. I needed some musical movement. Just so that james blood armor yeah could have something to play too when he gets to electrical lady. Because i was by myself so it started with his noodling. And then i had to add the other elements later. It's funny you notice that. I just kept it in the mix. Yeah i think russ asked like are using this. And i was just like just throw everything in there and then when the album came out because all your records always chart top ten because i i was just like looking at the wiki and slight today and i was like that's odd. They're coming up this huge record. It's really acclaimed record number. Twenty two twenty two. And i'm like okay. That's because you probably came out in the middle of a mariah carey. Christmas all these. You know me so well mark. I lost my mind. I'm like no. This is not on top ten. What the hell we're done we're done we're done. And they explained to me that no just that everything above you you know. That was the last of an era. Like napster in two thousand four like that sort of ruined in era of those big week sales but there was a time in two thousand and two in which you know maybe the entire top forty had the ability to move three hundred thousand units for it and you know now it's a miracle you do three hundred thousand you might live at number one for four weeks or whatever but the label said that once we decided. Okay we gotta get this amount november. I remember tim read. The third son of tim. Read the actor from w. kp. He was our product placement guy. He was like okay. I'm just telling you now to curb your enthusiasm. Don't call them off his crime. When you see the numbers just know that when you release a record imma fourth quarter during that whole black friday madness. You're probably gonna chart lower but that does not mean that you didn't sell well. It means that you just chart at lower okay right and i was like i get it but then that november when i seen it like because i remember j.lo's record also came out that week and man. I was like fuck with done. Twenty two damn. Yeah but we went gold which to me. Almost consider that a bigger achievement. Then things fall apart going platinum time like and then the tipping point comes and the tipping point. Now this thing to it. It seems like there's like a little bit of exhaustion. There's a lot more outside production. You look a little bit less of you and is it fair to say. Will you just a little exhausted. Or where do we go now. Or what is the root sound like. I can't carry this whole thing with my drum set anymore. So as promised. Mca imploded and we were sort of without an island. The way that i heard the story went down was dr dre and jimmy. I've had a breakfast meeting. Jimmy basically let dray kind of control. The mca dilantin. Okay who do we save. Who don't we save. I remember eight of us got saved mary common. I remember our name being last on that list. Yeah yeah by the way the email came to as sort of like that high school musical. Like you look to see if you made the part of the thing. You look down like car okay. Mary got saved edited. Because that was the question like okay. So where do all the mca exco. And then like around february. We heard a rumor that they're going to have a meaning decide the future who they're gonna say they're not going to save and it was like did i make it make it. Yeah they'll have an official statement in march and then come march. They said you know the following x. Will be transferring to geffen interscope and we were last cycle and asked around. It's like what happened. And that's when. I found out that dray new enlightened us like wait. Dray insisted that they save the roots. Wow that's cool. And i thanked him for that. We had a meeting with jimmy dean. We realized instantly that this wasn't going to be the right fit. I think jimmy knows how to sell what can be easily sold. Yeah and we were not easily sellable in my mind. I guess he took a cursory glance. A kind of a okay. That's on school this school like give me a group. Yeah i think he played like the seed in the office. And i can tell like. Maybe it's his first time listening to it. And he says sounds old sounds real old and we kinda side each other. A look like okay. What does that mean like. Yeah do we make it then asked like okay. So what ideas do you guys have. Can i just clarify the. The seed was out already. This is after the album's coming out. Yeah it was. It was yes he had to do some homework. And i get it. Oftentimes the roots of the band. Where you have to cosign whether you commit or not like it's it's the same way we kid. When kitty i came out. Everyone's like kid. I all of this shit yeah. They didn't start digging until like maybe six or seven months when it became like absolutely undeniable. But you know it's like those things like yeah. Of course. I was on the sugar real record before everyone was seven by shit. I know for that. That's the roots. Where a lot of people were just like the cool band that you have to cosign whether listen to it or not and it's a lot to take in so i get it. All i know is that we had a feeling that he wasn't that familiar with the group and that we would just be very hard to deal with and i actually had suspicion that this might be an embarrassing situation for him. Because it's like you're on a label in which nineteen of your acts are platinum or multi platinum. You know what i mean. And it's like everything you touch is amazing. And what will it mean if you kill something that has just started like we just started going platinum and gold so he knew coming in the door that we had some sort of niche audience caught filing cachet thing and it's like if he drops the ball met vin. What happened so i had a trepidation. Fear feeling leeming. That meeting not convinced that he might be afraid to touch like a free. Two wilt a very sensitive flower The first thing was he made the discovery that his beloved scott storch was once a member of the roots. Scotty scott you know him. It's like do. He was in our band like scott. It's a route that opened the door. At least where. I felt like sri okay. He won't drop us and we played them. One demo. emma demo was for. Don't say nothing which you know to was does mumbling the course. Because he was going to just do it later but he did as a placer and he responded like. Oh that's so clever those non-serbs go on scouting. Right it's amazing right right. No i like that and he has so much like stand at attention energy. Suddenly he's sitting in a chair like this. That's the first and the last time i'll ever created an album like specifically for someone's taste right you know i'm not trying to say that tipping points by red-headed stepchild ironic that we're circling back to the fader right now because now imagine like getting straight as entire life and then you get your first see minus. Yeah was after. I see minus your. Remember my publicist. The tipping point for whoever was the editor in chief at the failure at the time he hated the record. Now mind you since ninety two. I've never experienced any pushback from any critic whatsoever. Like i knew i critics in my pocket And serve remember. Going my publicist. Like all right. So what did they say. What did they say. Yeah and just exciting. You know and i was like i never experienced that before. I'm like wait. You know what he's he said needs time with it. I never had a situation where no one's ever said how high when i tell them to jump. Yeah oh god. And then are the rolling stone review is like just three stars and this new thing. I never heard of pitchfork. What's pitch work. We got five point four in. What the hell is that. Yeah we never experienced that shit. Oh my god. Two thousand four is like one of the worst at now as a fifth year old. I appreciate the idea. Failing and learning lessons from it But in real time to experience two thousand four was just such a crazy experience. Wait what's happening. Why is everything getting. Stripped away from us. So that's the last time i will ever try to cater an album to the tastes of someone that has my life in their their hands. The perfect kind of flip side to that. Jay z becomes president of def jam and signs over there right. I don't want you making rackets to the radio. I need you to keep being the roots and obviously that was such an amazing thing. En- game theory. Actually that has one of my favorite route songs on it. I mean i love the whole album but longtime with pd crack. Is i forgot about that. I was listening to it yesterday. The whole record and it came in it like that song is so emotive and also beat is just so far it was like a gut punch elliott to pull over to the side of the road because i forgot how much those got some melancholy cords. I forgot how much it moved me. i was like. Oh my god this record. I listen to this record like a hundred times in a row and it came out and then i also think we came through. This is like a nerdy theory. That could shoot out of the water. But i feel like when you open up the hi hat and your hi hat goes from being to show you. I know you're excited. And there is no open. Hi hat on tipping point and there is open when you come back in on that first song or whatever the second song don't feel right in and you know all those things. Yeah wow you really observant game theory your site. The groove is back a disaster with john mayer on a one of his albums. And steve jordan's drum set was there. That's the first time. I ever seen crash cymbals and ride cymbals as hi hats and i was like wait a minute i can put ride cymbals on the head and play it in so i got back on. The trump said started noodling. I was like oh this is crazy. I never thought of this. So jane theories that the period in which i started playing regular symbols as my hi hats. I haven't used traditional. Hi hats since two thousand and five. I'll say that. Jay had new my immediate concerns and fears back in two thousand four and once we finally put the tipping point to bed. I wrote i've seen an email. I wanted to let him off the hook and my appeal was like look like we're group. That has this cash. Am is very specific audience. I know must be confusing for you to try to figure out how to cater to that audience. And i know you don't want to be seen as the guy that like killed his groups momentum and you're all the way on in los angeles we're used to dealing with the label. That's in new york city. I'm asking permission for you to just quietly. Let us go to another label under the universal umbrella where we have a relationship and i was like you know if we walk out the door. You're going to lose a lot of nightmare. Phone calls bus screaming about this video and this single in this promotion. Whatever you have nineteen other platinum. Max you don't need us like if we sneak out no one we even though we were here and that was the most polite way that you could ask to get dropped and he complied and you know jay called him up to just say like newhart. Hartfield i'm not poaching your audience and he's like amir already data. So that's that's how that went tail and then jay. You'd already done the unplugged. Which is i was such a huge fan of all the mtv hip hop on plugs from the first round with the ll ones and then there was anything like that. I can't remember who the band was on the first round of unplug. so they're definitely gone popped. Who was it. It's a fully group called pop's cool love. I remember as good as anyone was at that point other than the brand new heavies. At backing a rapper. Making a little bit of an attempt to try and preserve the sound of the samples and stuff. It was a lot of fun and then there was nothing like that and then you do jay z. Unplug then you take it because of your record knowledge and everything just to the next level of recreating and that that's still to me is one of like is maybe one of hip hops. Greatest live recordings. Was that how you forged the relationship which aired was here. Routes fan is so weird like in in two thousand and one. There is still this hip hop apartheid. Church state separation thing between artists and backpackers didn't take kindly to commercial wrappers and commercial wrappers looked at us like roh caters. And yeah the what they to. Our video could have been looked at taking shots. A lot of people to wasn't a which is so weird because it was literally charleston the guy that created the was asked budweiser commercials. He made a video for This rock group called tesla that was on geffen at the time. My relationship with the rejection been at geffen is legendary so now only with cody chestnut but that tesla video. They didn't like the video. And i thought it was so clever. I was like yeah. This is amazing and the one area of the roots are never involved with is like our visuals are photos. Like we don't have that gene in us where it's like you got micromanage. Every frame of the video and the edited and all that stuff. I you know we didn't care dislike you show up all right. Where do i play all right goodbye and we just told charles like all right. Do this video. And it wasn't until later that we realized there was a biggie. Warmer chance reference in there and it's weird. It's like well. How do you guys not know if you're like laying on a bed just beginning video right and it's just like big even video and there's a girl in the bid just big in the video so weird like on set. It didn't look like that. It didn't transfer me like a. We're taking a direct potshot at big 'cause we would definitely dead that shit like yo dog. We can't yeah so he was not happy about that shit whatsoever and actually spoke about it in the source magazine in which Selwyn hinds asked me to write an op. Ed who writes an op-ed in the source. Wanna meet a write a letter at the beginning of the source about the impending sort of civil war between rappers on the east about commercialism versus art. And i wrote this like eight page manifesto and literally right when i was about to fax them my response. Someone's like oh obviously you haven't heard as what and he's like big killed last night like literally. I wrote that letter. The beginning of march ninth not knowing what happened. And i feel horrible about that shit. What's weird is on september eleventh like for a lot of people. September eleventh is the day where a lot of us to self soothe to the blueprint By his listen to it over and over and over again just to get our minds off of what was happening And i had a dream hampton. And i was like yeah. Don't tell nobody. But i think likes this blueprint but don't tell no one s. She's like a mirror. You got you gotta let me tell davis. I said no no. No because it's still my mind is like oh. He's the devil commercial rapper and he's like no no no don't do that she's like a mere. I gotta get you out your own way. I'm telling davis and you're going to accept it. No don't do it don't do it. And maybe the next day. I was like so when he say. But like agar like i don't wanna know but still like so what he say. He said that the fact that common hit him up earlier in the fact that i admitted that that meant more to him than any critical acclaim. He's like the fact that he actually reached through to the other side of the hip hop. I'll that more to him than anything and said. I want a mirror to meet me. I'm come to philly to do the electric factory on september fourteenth. Three days later and again. I was like yo man. I'm not going to jay z. Show out never be g show. I wore hat. Yo you know me. And my like i put a hat on and like it stood at the side of the stage. No one of course was that you jay z. Show that's how much in my head. I was about this whole thing and adding go backstage to say hi to him because at this i was worried about my reputation and so she gave him my number and he called a few times and i wasn't answering and she hit me up like. Why aren't you answering the phone. A man just talked to him. Finally i gave in and he disarmed me in two minutes. He doesn't remember this. He made a troy mcclure. Simpson's reference shot up chain. The simpsons like that detroi- mclaren that's crazy. It was either monorail reference. Well it wasn't at least needs bracelets but it was like a deep conan era simpson's reverence that he made while totally disarmed me. I said wait a minute. She's inert and we started talking. More amount was like wait a his speaking voicing his rapping voice and ten minutes into that conversation he. Oh he's a nerd. He's like me. You know i was. I was amazed. I caught her. Oh he's he's a regular guy and my mind. I'm thinking the guy that allegedly stabbed unb rivera apart. He's as going around like you know like doing crazy. That i've seen the videos or whatever and we worked and i got i gotta say that i've never met a person that was well within their rights to be a know it all he was a complete splint and that's when i realized that people who are really successful are open. They let everything in where you know people try to manage and control what their creative processes or. They have their ideas. And they're locked jay's guy where it's like okay. Let's try this idea. Let's try this idea. Now let's try this idea. He's opened all ideas and what sticks works. That's what we go with you know. That's how we've urged our relationship the jay z. Route unplugged collapse seemed to be the ultimate thaw in the cold war between underground and mainstream hip hop. Jay was always the smartest guy in the room. So of course he would bring in the world's best hip hop band to accompany him. When i think of the artwork and all the visuals i can still picture j. smiling air-to-air through the whole thing feeding of the joy that happens when a group of musicians are collaborating together to make this sound. It just doesn't happen when you're rhyming off instrumental to this day. No one is brought that kinda displays era of hip hop to life better than the root stew on that recording. I have a much less wonderful fruit bearing blueprints story but basically my friend called me up. Because do you remember. The album's would come out on tuesday but like the friday before they might be in some of the more bootleg spots in could go get that album. My friend called me up and he was like. You're not gonna believe this on that track jaeger. He jay z. Gives you a shoutout. And i. i've been teaching clubs enough around new york and jay z. Was being the club's. I heard a story how he had. I used to seeing my dj set wide playing. Do it again and we'd go. I saw the same thing. Happen to kane. I go vic Into ain't no half stepping and i know jay like that and i found out that he brought kane out at summer jam doing the same kind of arrangement that transition sets and i was obviously flattered but i was way too nervous. Ever go up to him at a party but my friend called me up. And he was like no j. shadow on that song so he like. I'm like get over here right now. So you like drives. He's in the car. He plays the song and he goes jeans. Ev zoo she's responding. Stop with c ronson and. I'm like brian that he plays it again. Stop and see. He's saying top by c ronson. My sister's clothing line. You came over here. You got me so excited. I'm getting a shout out on the record. I mean it's my last name could have been s e e. I mean it was okay. Because it was i had some family pride but one thing that you said also about the line between when you're younger you have very strict artistic ideas about what's commercial. What's not just how you felt about a lot of east coast in the beginning now. You're so well known as dj and we all know that d- zhang is like the biggest democratization for your appreciation. Seeing wia song that you might not think is totally takes on a life of its own when you play it for crowd and see what it does to people. I'm not saying we're running around playing the macarena. But i've been on the dance for many nights. Where like. Oh oh like in the early days. I was playing like we found love like i wouldn't bit like i'm dancing having the time of my life and i think that would you say that d. jiang playing music for people in the joy that you see on people is like gives you appreciation for songs. You might usually kinda right off Probably this next routes out more show evidence of that. i'll say that i probably done more hours and concentrated. Dj ing in the last seven years not done in my forty years of dj ing and the evidence is gonna show because most of the great producers start out as dj's you're one of them dr dre with dj under duress. You know you play the wrong song. The club might get shot up. Jimmy jam world-class dj. The world doesn't know this. I'm begging him to like like our level. Dj that's what jimmy. Which explains why he writes the songs. So i'm slowly realizing that some of the best producers start out as deejays and that's because they have a connection with their audience you know for me. Dj was always just a thing. I think inside. I'd probably just consider myself really good record collector that used as drumming and his production as a monetary means to get more records. You know a lot changed when i first saw. Dj am dj. yeah i'd never experienced open format. Dj into that level. And if you ever have like someone that you really admire in the booth with you and then you find yourself catering to them instead of course like ok p rock gonna play this rare japanese soul break only gonna appreciate right now and i'm lose half the dance floor just to get them or like if the artists comes in you play. At first. he was playing club stuff and then he solace in there. And that's the first time we met you know we're like from philly and everything then he just started playing real hip hop. But we're at a like an nfl maxim magazine paris hilton and nicole or like emit corner in the kardashians of there is sort of that pre good rudrud like pre that era but club. Heavy many just starts playing like listen to my nine millimeter. Go bang by boogie down productions. Yeah i'm looking at my people. Like oh shit he man. He's showing off for us. He's about to lose this audience and then he started playing more. He played like a master. I see why mic geronimo Very a masterpiece of a saw very slow. Yeah and i'm so high you so high that right right right and then i went to him and i actually say i said yeah. Go back to what you don't ruin your dj set just to like we're with you. You don't have to anything not. This is what. I normally play my playlist. Then i realized. I play anything and then he started put fail our own. Put johnny cash on and at to sat there. I was like wait a minute. I never seen someone jumped from country to wrap the you could do that. I never knew were open format. Dj was that point. I was as dj. What was expected of me bike. Okay here's a bunch of j. Diller and here's some tribe and here's some real hip hop and that's it but then he taught me how to paint a picture and that's what i learned from. Dj like that sort of freedom but now does using matt education to create music now. Which i've never done before. I remember in the beginning. I would go to the sets and because obviously all the beats in the blends and everything was on point as i expected but i remember seeing you play in vegas about two and a half years ago and being like i didn't even know that it was you playing and i was like. Oh this must be one of those. You know like all those post. Dj am vegas who are like technically crazy because they play five nights a week and they can just play anything in their sleep right because the cuts were so tight and it was going eight bars of a song into the next thing. And i just turned around. It was you and i was like all like questions quietly. Got better than all of us. At de jiang i was like i was going to be okay to just be like you know i guess. And that's because you've been zhang so much in you love it and know it's like those. It's the ten thousand hours right like at some point. I've spent an alarming amount of hours owning up my dj skills not to mention especially with what we've been through last year. Which is why. I'm really excited about this record. Basically because i've done more listening to new music and records like i'm the guy that will collect seventy five boxes of some library. That's about the shutdown. I'm that guy who's who's collected over. Two hundred thousand records but really. I haven't opened up any of those boxes like they. Just i shipped him home and then they just sit there for decades unscathed right. And i've done more listening to my record collection in the last year. Just quarantining than i've ever done in my life and it's open up so many portals in such a a new spectrum of creativity that i'd never knew existed before so yeah i'll be diplomatic and say yes. I love all my records like my children. We haven't made an album in seven years. And i will say that. Probably believe the excitement that. I have the endgame album that i haven't had these goosebumps of this level since probably things fall apart. May and i know a lot is riding. I know there's sentimental kind of attachment riding on that mountain. Call things fall apart. But i definitely know that. The effort the sweat the creativity the blood that we put into that album. That energy is going to this record and not just like oh. This is good. Yeah we love everything you do quest. No right like seven years of rejection. You could do better. You do better. You can do in pushing ourselves. When is this raca coming. We will see literally right down as i'm zooming you anytime you see my eyes. Go to the right. Yeah that's to regan. The engineer asking me like okay. Where's the from last night. Like i will be highly shocked if this album is not out before october. September this year. Great and just in time for live shows one of the the weird things about not having richard nichols here as sort of like our coach and our by me and tariq now have to be peter grant of led zeppelin. Yeah so one of the things not having him. Here is richest the king of this final. No more song. And i'm the guy that's like i can push do better. I can push do better so yeah. In the past seven years we've made easily a good four hundred songs of which there's a least thirty that i feel are like fucking awesome and at least ten. Are goose bumpy. So i think we're just now on the stage of what's the final fourteen. What's what are we going to concentrate on and amir stop creating new music so that sort of thing man. That's so great. Thanks for giving me so much time as well. That's true. I could see very soon. Yes sir okay. Thanks again to quest. Love for taking the time to talk with us a special fater. Thank you to our grammy and oscar award-winning host. Mark ronson lease visit the fater dot com slash podcast to read the original cover story and check out a playlist of artists mentioned in this episode. 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CS Movie Night #6: Chameleon Street feat. Mtume Gant

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CS Movie Night #6: Chameleon Street feat. Mtume Gant

"Okay champagne sharks movie night. This is chameleon street and yeah. That's a movie with. I forget the guy's name but M two may will help us remember anybody who's not muted mind museum. Someone's making some noise and yeah so yeah movie night chameleons heat and we'll just get right into it names wendell something right. But i always forget his last name wendell. B harris wendell b harris and Would you describe the premise of the movie and to me It's i mean it's actually based on the real life story of a guy named william. Douglas william street. It might have actually been his actual name I'd have to look And also barred from another story to the figured the that guy's name Who did the doctor especially bombed actual stories. We can bind those. But it's based on the true story of a of a real life con man who I think through wendell's kind of gays. He takes a look at american success. Know capital money over. All you know black existence In the eighties you know. Dealing with reagan's america is kind of like there is like if you think about plot. Wise is like a lot plot things that happened. But it's really kind of a journey through this comment. Existence in in in reagan's america. You know it's interesting. It's interesting because today. I'm not sure for would really register as a race movie just because it's not super didactic and drawing. Hey we're talking about race in your face all the time so i find it interesting that i do agree with you. That it's very much meditation on raise but nowadays and also is now a lot of trauma talk and now the things that you know people associate with. What a movie about racist supposed to be so before you open it to the floor. I just wanted to ask you What would you say to someone who thinks oh i. Don't i think raises kind of a background thing. Here i think is mostly about say class or just comedy or at say individuals psychodrama about a guy who what would you say depends of the idea that is very much about race. I mean there's like technical things like are like in the narrative where he explicitly. You know comments on whiteness and whiteness able to do that. He isn't able to do you know the scene at the When he's meeting with our lawyers you know the the whole cook. The widely caucasians moment or of course it seems with was the scenes with with the doctor or the or the scene and the The restaurant but what i would say to people in general is like you know this idea that the only way a film can be about race is if you talk about race in these like super You know sign postie ways. I mean he's a black man who's very cautious of his blackness and very conscious of his position and he's trying to figure it out in this world and that's it so the movie is so much about black life and black existence and and you know even how black people are amongst each other so it's a film about race because it's so honest about black people in their in their world right and it doesn't aimed assure coat how we speak about white people you know if you think about that queen and slim. They don't really talk about like how we talk about. White people like each other. They don't do that. This movie does that. Yeah i think for that. Is that Movies that queen slim are really made for white liberals not other black people. I think that's one thing. I think the second thing is. I feel like a lot of the people who make those martin temple. Movies are very concerned with communicating or selling their own authenticity. Because they're trying to impress white people as Arbiters or of the new authentic negro experience. And whatever so there's a lot of kind of overcompensation and perform san tropes of what they think white people wanna see in a black narrative hence the trauma letting people know that you know you can trust that. We're suffering experts or a lot of things like about macaroni and cheese and stuff like gone checklist. To kind of sell people on the idea that They're black whereas i think something like this is kind of. It's not even. I won't say it's confident in that. It's black because i think even that implies that i think it's trying to prove something. I think it's not even thinking about trying to prove authenticity is just being in that. And you know like i wouldn't say he was ignoring the existence of a white audience. I don't think he was Folks in line are at the very least. He was excluding or rendering secondary a black audience. Which is what i think. A lot of these other things try to do or he wasn't intimidated by how why audience would react to how he is going to present. How black people or this particular. Black man thinks about His existence and in relation to white people. You know he's not. He's not a quarter for anybody. Black people white people anyone he's like i'm going full full on you know and i'll make enemies if i make enemies which is very much when those kind of character in general as a person and that's the one that throw it out to you know anyone to speak and also if you do speak you know there's a lot of voices Just remember to introduce yourself set. People who listen to this in the playback have a name to sociology with the voice. Any first impressions or also if you don't like the movie at that's cool to like you know there's no there's no wrong answers here. How about somebody who does normally talk or someone who was the first time here. I feel like that'd be fun. A jump has it going a here we go. We couldn't hear you for a second okay. Sorry Longtime listener i. I'm speaking. I really love film. Because it's like or their name radar skinner. Okay yeah i love it because it's like as a black person. You know your toe to do certain things to survive in white society and although He was able to play all these different roles. He's still got arrested. Got in trouble for it and still can win. You know and i remember growing up in the eighties in the south with my father was a conservative. And you didn't see too many black people who didn't pander to any group. And i felt like he didn't really pander to anyone in this film and i can really appreciate that because everyone wants to put you into a box. I really really liked it. I went out there to him to a two many knows more about the background story of this film denied due. He was winner actually recommended the film to me. I'm not sure if i even heard of it before. Actually when. I did hear it before you. Because i knew that. That's where the clip from the podcast cows came from. I knew it came from that. Movie but I didn't put a priority on watching it until you told me that it was very good and i was wondering if you want to share any Pertinent background information totally before during or after the movie think people find interesting. I think definitely like this movie is one of those things that like. It definitely exists. Well on its own but the context around it's like production and then release and life afterwards i think becomes like equally compelling in any conversation about it See the movie was made off over a period of three or four years of by no direct wendell wendell harris who she wrote directed and starred in it and Window you know he. He's from the michigan area Where and they shot it there and they shot it. You know it was. It wasn't like a community made film right like his parents. Put up their house for it and people in the community like that was the actual mayor in the film. Like people helped him out with it to make the filmon did over the perfect three to four years and it became a little film that could it went to the toronto film festival in eighty nine. Which at the time you know wasn't what toronto is now. Where like it's just basically toronto film festivals. Basically now a place where you just send out. You know your your next big movie. You know back then. It was still showing independent films and it premiered a toronto to raves. And then it went to the sundance film festival at january and they won the grand jury prize. It was like a huge hit at sundance Back when sundance an indie. You know festival and you know it got wendell Notice in hollywood But the response to the film was not to release it. it was To buy it and make a remake of the film with will smith which is absolutely hilarious. Makes a lot of sense things turn up in will. Smith's lee yeah. Yeah and and you know. Wendo window i. He's talked about it in in in Articles and interviews and he said you know he founded insulting but he was. He was kind of like whatever you know. Let them do it and is giving me the ability to make other movies. Because he didn't see as a chameleon street to be the first work he was going to do. And then you'll be the only work you would do. He would just spur the at that and then never ended up happening. And you know the film. Never got a major release in the us actually a guy limited releases in new york and la Spite winning the grand jury prize When dole who you know. I i happen to know window not not well. But we've we've been contact for the past few years and he's a great guy who doesn't hold his tongue as you can see and it kind of you know. Made him a bit of a of a of a blacklisted number of hollywood and he talks about this at length and he never get another project off the ground nor could he get chameleon street Screened in in big ways. They got a big run in europe of the french. Love it ironically. Considering the french moment in in in in in the film and it's become this has got a weird. The french sense of humor to it yes. We'll watch a lot of french stuff especially french new wave. It's gotta bizarrely. France instance ability to. It has that and it's interesting. I'm watching a lot of pre code films recently and it has a very pre code kind of speed to it also the way it kind of moves to a lot of some some of the scenes which is definitely interesting because he references a lot of that stuff is showing like oh beauty in the old cocteau film so you can tell he's He's referencing kind of older aesthetic mixed with some of the stuff that he has in there. Clearly the kind of represent the time but yeah no chameleons streets. Part of its legend has been Just that it's this film that you know people have seen in everyone who sees it loves it and it's highly regarded but it's you know been relegated to never actually having an official theatrical release you know and it's it's like the the the grand jury prize winner at sundance that the only one. That never really went anywhere. And you know we can guess why it hasn't gone anywhere if you look at the content and so forth and so on you know and and you know why did the will smith project Not materialize or did. I miss that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna miss remember from what i from what i what i thought. Wendell one at a certain a certain things in the agreement hughes yok and do it but Y'all you need to do something for me. Like have him direct intellect something and they didn't wanna do it There there was some level that like wenda would not agree to and they just wouldn't do it and then we're going and they and wilson of loves the film so that's what he puts it. The ruby skewed in pursuit of happiness. And all that stuff like there's been this constant but will is weird because i've never seen him actually verbally promote the film. Yeah and someone wouldn't feel pointed out that he had a rubik's cubes on similar scene in fresh prince of bel air as well and so. That's kind of interesting if you think about it. Six degrees of separation seems to be kind of another way to. He finds a back doorway to make a version of this movie. Because yeah another movie about A con artist that he found his way in shortly after. Yeah yeah someone actually told. I heard a rumor that that he took the script because he liked it similar history. But i don't know that's an urban legend or not. I don't know. I heard that if the story i've never heard officials story. That's the reason but it seems too much of a coincidence. Not totally perfect. Totally for people. Don't know six degrees of separation is Similarly about a con artist who cons A rich white family. It's based on a play. Yeah and then he made it. They made it into a film also. Apparently there's a wesley snipes remake version Thrown out there that also never. Yeah i think he became the the next person. And i think a lot of you know a lot of stuff was happening and like you know like i really encourage people you know. Maybe i'll send out to t I can't even do that to read wendell's interviews like he's really forthcoming about the dances. He had to do with this film by. He tells about every possible remake. And then like you know. He had a spike lee. You know and stuff like that. Spike lee was supposed to like director film that he wrote. And that that never materialized and you know he ended up living. I think most of the nineties just never being able to get projects off the ground to the point where he ended up leaving hollywood altogether in the end of the nineties. And you know just. He's he's now trying to do different films. Though the film has this interesting has has had admirers. like steven. soderbergh's a huge admire of the film So you still tries to do film but as far as the hollywood machine. He's given up on ever. Yeah he's had a long just eating Documentary projects that he's been working on and he has another project that he's told me about that i know is pretty much done I know i know the details. But i'm waiting for him to release them but he's pretty much finished and steven soderbergh actually helped him do it. So it's actually pretty nice. It kind of makes you wonder what black hollywood. Because there's this idea you know from a lot of people who kind of fantasize about this stuff. I mean one problem. I have in general with people who have a pro black slant is all their fantasies of you know we get all the basketball players and the celebrities happening then we can all get together and make our own hollywood and stuff like that but from stories. I hear experiences. I have from hearing other people's stories. Is that you know it doesn't really work there. Everyone just kinda gets themselves in the door and you know mostly pulls up the ladder Behind him or or has a handful of cronies like it's kind of disappointed that he hasn't been able to find any other black people who've been able to help him out but if anything it seems like a lot of other of his contemporaries We're more interested in competing with him more that Giving into the blacklist of him. Then you know anything else well. There was an interesting thing to interesting kind of points to kinda like to you So i don't remember the year But if you were around in. The early nineties There was this famous picture of like the h- alva hot black directors On the cover of a big mac of magazine was magazine. It was and it had like spike lee. Matty rich you know John singleton The five heartbeats Rubber towns in you know all of them were on this picture except for window right and wendell like knew about the picture and he was deliberately kept off and like these guys you know the they all like be banded together to make this picture happen but of course when the was left off and wendell tells this story about that one day he You know he was the man he realized he would never get a film done in. Hollywood was when someone like literally told him that. Like If you continue to associate yourself with window harris you'll never get a film made here. So he he. He knew that he is became one at and that happens in hollywood. He don't believe that happens in. Hollywood does today. Any white people like anybody like you can get. You can get a toxic name overnight in hollywood and no one will agreement your work and and wendell got a name at the very quickly on something interesting to with what you said. I remember when spike lee would appear on talk shows and stuffing in bad mouth. Matty rich i forget which talk show. He went on but Specialties to do that a lot is not like that. But yeah i mean i think spike probably talked about window after their their deal went sour. And i i i would. I wouldn't be shocked to spike with one of the people who helps our his name. Yeah you know th that's actually gonna listen to this as far as who's interested in the sui a little disclaimer. I'm they got too big for my britches. I think he has better stephan complain. Santa pain sharks thrown thrown. Allegedly you know allegedly. We're not saying. I'm not sure spiked not care. You'll be fi but yeah open over to the floor. Easier for people to give their impressions or to ask too many questions. He knows so much more about the movie than i do. Yeah i wanted to say some real quick skinner again I teach film. i live in. La and i went to film school at usc. Where i dropped out. And i see that a lot in terms of some of my black cohorts who have done well hollywood. They've bought into a certain type of politics ideology and they've gotten money from rich black people but if you come with a different type of film you wanna make you get no love and if you If everyone here's what you're trying to do they can't get down with it then. You're pretty much squeezed out. And so it is definitely challenging. You know trying to make indie films out here. you'll what's good yo to Yes and it's this. Big witkin sane is Yeah like santa. Meet grown up in Growing up in around music and stuff. I'm going to really get that far If you don't for lack of better term if you're not if you're not proud to selling out or if if someone you know empower sees that you know you you really principal and you can an no way. Wanna take your project and how you wanna use Your vision If they see that it's you're not able to be compromised. I don't think you you'll make that that far. This is funky. Just a talk about will smith and how he like supposedly loves the film and like put subtle references. And i think it's kind of pathetic like he's such a huge star like he could. He could do love and more if you it so much then. Just put like subtle references. The only people who are in the now we're gonna get like. I don't know i feel like once you get to a level like either before or just like let it be. I mean it's pretty on brand for will smith if you consider the fact only until recently was the first time you've ever worked with black director. I mean that's like that became a running joke. I know amongst a bunch of black filmmakers. That i knew that light yellow is. Wha what's going to be the moment that will smith actually worked with a black director. You can tell you who's the back people don't and when someone pointed out to me i thought they were making a joke and then we literally sat six years ago and we sat in front of wikipedia and we looked at filmography and we went. Oh my god you're right. It's pretty hilarious actually director. 'cause i forget recently it's a very recent i i'd have to look at it. It's like super recent like in the last year or two or maybe it's happening right now. I already is about to happen is what i can remember. I can't remember what it is. Oh he's working with I know he's working with Reynaldo marquez green in the that was is it Is it the venus williams movie audience. Not even happening. Yeah there might be won't before that he might be like doubling down on it now. Because but i know i know that. That's one of them. But i know that i know he. It's about to happen because it became a running joke amongst a bunch of filmmakers. That i know that omega host news finally working with a black director eight. That's something. yeah that's crazy when you think about it. This is not really defensive. Will smith i wanna make clear. I still think that point is valid but just to conceptualize Will smith aaron. The time of he was. Attached is moving around the time six degrees of separation and a couple of years after that he was not the A-list superstar that he is now he was just a guy with the hit sitcom essay. Just you know. Kind of scare quotes. But he didn't really have that much weight to push around. Yeah like around. What year would you say. We'll smith really. I mean it doesn't really excuse him because by the time he got way he still was in you know doing things. Black directors or anything after after independence day was like really launch pad and by independence day Fresh prince was already off the air right or at least in his last years. Some yeah yeah something like that you know. He was like a pair of for his movie career by that point. Yeah he he was still known as a very bad actor that i've ever watched his first couple of years of fresh prince of bel-air was a really really bad Acting like i think there was a lot riding on six degrees of separation and the ad coach and everything because he really really wanted to be taken seriously as an actor so he was Kind of tenuous his position in movies at the time because also that was a time when it was. I mean it's always hard with back then was really hard for me to jump from movies to mean from. Tv two movies it was Really hit the lottery to do it. I think where it gets tough for me with someone will is like you know chameleon street. You know it's supposed to happen soon on the window and see what's it's going to happen but like it's is to have a blu ray release and i'm like will you could fund the blu ray release. Yeah exactly. you're saying like booker. sapper the door. Yeah exactly you know and you know. I mean you could. At least do you know i. I criticize verney alive. But i won't give her credit for putting out you know a lot of the la rebellion films via streaming. And all that stuff you know and like what she did it ashes. Ascherson numbers are give her credit for that. You know what i'm saying. Make it not happen now mike. Why couldn't you do that. Why can you sit out there and be like a chameleon street display the name of the movie like twenty five times when you're when you're access hollywood or jimmy kimmel. You know what i'm saying. Will smith and this is me. Totally armchair psychoanalyzing. I don't have any proof of this. This is just me making speculation based on my father was one of these people As my father was a kind of press my father and his brother at two different people like they both grew up Poor and my father was one of those people always thought went bad move. He was going to be poor again whereas my brother was my father's brother was like I do. we didn't have anything growing up. You can't take money with you to the grave. I want to enjoy life. And they're very different people and they But it heads about it but will smith to me always seems like somebody. Some famous people like that a famous version of what my father was in terms of. I think he's always thinking he can just do one bad move and get out of the a-list mb place with like he's not supposed to be there. He likes his way. There and one bad movie can always always get out. Like i've never seen him really pushes wait around or try to really Take those kind of risks. I mean even if you hear about how he chose roles you the story about how he and his agent got together to choose roles for him into I haven't i haven't heard that now. I'm sure it's crazy though. Oh yeah i would love to find the exact story. Unfortunately i can't find a link to it so i'm going to have a wait a minute. Wait a minute. I think about of Found something that describes it. But in the meantime gonna try to paraphrase it. He sat down with his agent and he said that He wanted to be the biggest star in hollywood right and so he sat down with his agents. I think it was agent at ca and the two of them sat down and then they said okay. Why are we gonna do. And he just took the scripts of every single top grossing movie and just try to look at what made them work and they made like a checklist and said any movie pick has to have like these things in it you know and has to Correspond to movies. That were Major hits and i think that's one of the reasons why he tends to at the ended up actually backfiring again against him as well because he would end up missing the waves of things that were coming if they didn't fit so he he famously turned down the matrix and some other things. Probably the matrix didn't fit into his formative but for a while you can't say it didn't work he Became he became That huge guy. As one of the reasons why he That's one of the reason why he chose independence day on a lot of other movies. But when you hear it is so so cynical to to hear that. and now. he's doing it again. They back firing heat's not working anymore. The market in payments landscape has changed. And i saw another article in the hollywood reporter From two thousand and nineteen attack is called. How will smith cracked code on making real money in hollywood and is this basically him just trying read. Where three ts now. And what it takes to be a celebration now and everything and basically. It's the same thing all over again. That's why he's doing all this stuff with being an influencer forever notice. Now he's doing talks. He has a youtube channel with his family family. The doing instagram's he's doing bro. Broder vacation type You know so. He's readjusting himself. And what kind of struck me is like. How even though he's an alias guy. He always seems to be kind of following or taking the temperature of stuff. Never trying to reinvent things and So that's why i'm not surprised. He doesn't work with black directors ivers well. It seems interesting based on that that he would have ever been because it's phone so not typical well at a time He wasn't that guy yet. They made this decision basically right before he took I believe independence day instead of so that might be the six degrees of separation. That's more like an art house film. That's based on the plane. So you know. He didn't start out like that's kind of more once. He got his foot in the door and he was able to. Actually start getting to choose like More rain movies that they decided he and his agent to do the strategy i think. Also there's like an impressiveness to chameleons. Treat that i could see someone like will smith At that point in his career being totally you know enamored with the wendell wrote directed and starred in this. You know starting this thing he did it outside of the hollywood system and he wins sundance with it. You know like you know you you win. The major film festival You screen at toronto. You do these things with the. And then i think also another element that i think is always intriguing to certain types of people. Maybe for the you know the best reasons is like. But i but i do find intriguing also but maybe will smith attaches himself to. It isn't like the like the most holistic reason is like the the the the black men intelligence. So i could see like the thing that will smith takes from. What the rubik's cube there. He could solve a rubik's cube. So kind of kind of wills own ego. I could see getting really attached to that. You know when. I think you know the rubik's cube definitely is about the ego but of course it goes to a whole other level of what william douglas street. You know who. He is within society of being highly intelligent but his intelligence seems to only be able to be used to do these things because of his social position. I will not thinking about that kind of stuff. You certain degree you know. And i think also early on. He kind of wants to be taken seriously as an actor especially because his first couple of years of fresh prince of bel-air his acting was kind of routinely Panned so i think movies like this alley Six degrees of separation were basically him. You know trying to while people in shohei. I really can act. And then once people were on board with that he was all about the the blockbusters and stuff so i can see in the early stages that is another reason. Why but i did i did find. I did find The passage will smith's master plan. According to the hollywood reporter smith had a conversation with his manager. James lassiter early in his career lassiter's most known for producing the number of smith's films including alley. I robot and hancock. I said to jail i want to be the biggest movie star in the world. Smith said and he said well. Let's figure out what that means. Any went and got the top ten movies of all time. The list of the top ten movies of all time in the box office top ten box office success and we also looked at them so these are multiple lists tapped in movies of all time top ten movies of all time box office. I know that she knows tuesday's top ten bucks or successes saying the same thing multiple times but he's making it sound like different and says and we also looked at them adjusted for inflation and also look at imbues versus daughter values so he he was looking at pretty deep different things not adjusted for inflation adjusted for inflation and a figure called beuys versus daughter value. I don't know what that is. Maybe to mayor someone to chat knows Also it could all different variations and he claimed smitten lassiter found that the highest grossing films shared three elements. What we've found is at the center. There were always special effects so it was always special effects. There was always creatures and there was always a love story so we started looking for movies. They had special effects. This is even kind of dumber than i thought. So we're looking for movies. They had special effects creatures and a love story. But we hear that kinda makes sense things like men in black and independence day or even stuffy does now with like. They're really terrible. Jim and i man than he did. A couple of years ago was like really. I like but it's also the technology thing you know like will try to constantly attach themselves technologies which also makes me is also amazing that he turned down the matrix considering how much she likes to actually assaulted technology shapes then he. He doesn't do the matrix you idiot. Night matrix didn't have actual creatures. Maybe that's the problem with. Maybe i mean. I have read about the matrix and had said like you know. 'cause like even laurence fishburne was in the top choice like they wanted sean connery and he was hell no interesting. Yeah they were. Like i think i think the idea. Maybe the way they pitched it was it was very esoteric. So you know so. It's like The creative west is a giant mechanical spider. They made everyone read that book for the matrix so probably every. Which book is that they made they made all the people read the books. I'm sure it's weird like if you weren't like you know the funny thing about me where everyone read. The artist found like. Oh this guy's trying to make phil philosophy movie like what the hell is laws on your big respect. Just berman he he. He just goes for any sci-fi movie man. I've seen him in some really really weird movies mad but every always watched michaud that support man. What's interesting is The bowl gerard and they People who are aficionados all agreed at the matrix got got Histories wrong as i kind of ironic that they made everyone read it and they didn't even understand boatyard themselves. Something hilarious about that to me You yeah anyone have any thoughts. I want to share about the okay. Yeah it was good as it again. Going back to to to to the film and when it came in when it was made a when it came out and i Thinking about other contemporary films like spike lee and stuff with what i noticed about This film was that like nobody was like trying to be a character a caricature of a black person. Everybody was pretty much just done themselves. In when i think about you know especially like spike lee films. It seems like Spike lee's almost try hard in a lot of ways of trying to get get stuff across or are we direct but yeah that's something that i pick a premium on now i'm just going to say. Yeah piggyback enough. That window did. A great job is showing black people through the gaze of of how we see ourselves versus like spikes work. It's like a. He's trying to force A particular type of black person on why audience. And it's just something off about how he doesn't but i thought canoeing street did a great job just showing us you know for who we are. Yeah i think what always has struck me about. Why chameleon street for me has always been like that movie when it comes to like a black depiction is exactly What was going to san. It's like there is no extra like push to make you recognize who we are. It's like you know it's like it's like he's not trying to do a able to vernay as doing when they see us. It's like who gives a fuck. Like i'm just gonna be me right and what i like about. It also is like while there's like moments where he's like completely admiring you know black women seren getty me on all this stuff also obits where he's like doing like you know he's getting beat up by a white dude because it because he'd rather like speak Giving give him a grammar lesson like your he becomes incredibly complex and multi-dimensional. When i a lot of times movies like spike and stuff that we see now they think like multi dimensional just being like crying anymore. Any emotional all day or like you know. Social striving and in film in china attempt while like really complication is having a multidimensional character who has quirks. Who has things that they like. Who has flaws and all this stuff and it. It becomes a real rounded person. And i'm watching douglas street in his film and i'm just like man that's a human being like i'm watching an actual huby odd screen. You something else about spike that i think really conveys what you guys talking about him even though on the surface this might seem like kind of odd to say or reach is the terence blanchard music like to me that jazz. I mean no disrespect. I'm laughing you go up on that whole because i'm with you on that bad. No i'm right to buckle on about this age is really bad too. it's an idea like elder. I don't want this demand but it's very much an idea of respectability politics jazz. What ken 'cause dinner jazz and it's just so clearly to me aimed I don't know how to even describe. Terence blanchard jazz but more better blues. His with his dad is a much better jazz musicians. I don't know why he grew up. In such bad jazz tastes. Terence blanchard and bill lee. Do the jazz for more better blues and in that movie the music has half good half bad and he's always wonder why is terence blanchard doing such a better job even though you still draws in some clunkers in this one wisey Doing a better job than i realized years later. That bill was involved in it as well. But i feel like the music is similar to what you guys are describing this type of Church brunch or notice black dinners and functions and stuff. that happened whereas the branch of networking bushy blacks. And all they do. Is you go to different people's tables and it's like this person was the first black person to ever work here. You know you wanna meet him. This person was the first black doctor in this space. All the talk about all the you know. This person founded the first chapter of the ak as and there's cheesy back jazz music in the background. Could gospel brunch like. That's what that music Sounds like it's very respectable. It's very pretentious. But not alienating like you know they're not gonna play real experimental bebop or a son broad one of those things it's elevated music version of jazz. I feel like spike. Lee infects a lot of his characters with the personality version of that of that music. This is high sound info t you literally just did an elaborate version of the italian. No disrespect but you disrespected the man. With all due respect. I feel like sometimes i. It's almost like You know when he really got on he didn't really want a lot of other black filmmakers ticket online. He had his space. It's almost like he was like this. Is how black people are but not really having a true understanding of what black people are really gone through on the ground and he he like projected that to his audience and crossing over. It's like you're crossing over into whiteness. If you're trying to cross over. And he was a big crossover across crossing over filmmaker. And i feel like this is why his films gotten weirder and weirder politics as he's done because he says he's a rich do now you know watching. She's got a habit and it aged pretty well and it was really had a pulse on the ground. I would say he probably had one through due to right thing. But i felt like he. His climbing climbing. Sounds a little too. I don't wanna climber. that's not good. But his striving better than the climber am. I just doing more disrespect. He just different were taking that. He's ambitious. Climb morris driver is like in lieu of town. I don't have talent. But i'm going to compensate for the spike. Lee has genuine talent. i think he's ambitious. He's literally somebody who wanted to be rich. Who wanted to be famous by. Do think as early movies he did have a pulse on different voices some type of authenticity and at some point yes spike spike is also like a it sad because he's a he's very an expressionist filmmaker and i think he's taken those expressionistic qualities into becoming like a large pandering. Kind've know like it's funny. I i watched the five blood which i absolutely hated and i watched do the right thing. Maybe about a month. After i watched two five and i still think do the right thing. Sliver of a very strong film. And i realized what it was like spikes and expressionist. He's like he he has disability and when he's when it was working back then it was really interesting but what he then did was as as like people have been pointing out with his general social politics and his really his wealth affluence. He's developing a distorted sense of his own opinions and like the weight of them. You know to make making the expressionism into these large platforms. Where he shouts at people all day. When i went and saw iraq iraq in the theater and i literally set out loud in the opening. Five minutes wire yelling at. I was like zanoyan things. And this is a sound info again. I don't know if we're talking about the the same thing into a but one of the things about spike lee's movies. They always seem very formal rule bound. It seemed like there was. There was very specific things that he would do in very specific things he wouldn't do. I know he's a big fan of elliott kazan and put yogurt. And martin scorsese and all of those all those different people have sort of an unspoken rules in the films that they do. And i feel that way about spike lee's movies as well so i kind of know the rhythms kind of no. You know what he's trying to do they successful or not and he'd never really breaks out of that formality the word. I'm sorry read on speaking. Want cut you off okay. I'm gonna say the word that wasn't able to come to me was Yuppie there was a specific eighties late eighties. Early nineties black yuppie aesthetic and there's difficult there's this artists who really has that aesthetic His name is jonathan green. Does anyone know who jonathan green is. He had his Picture called gulf family wedding. If you've seen this art style it used to be on. Terry mcmillan's Book cover is just. Actually jeremy greene might have done. I'm a link in the now. I know you talking about we. We determine million book covers it immediately flashed in my head and then they invade watch room. I put it in there But it's it's the art version of terence blanchard yuppie jazz and like this is the stuff that like black yuppies used to have on their walls all the time and Yeah the terry mcmillan thing. I felt like as his career went on and because he was aspiring to be A yuppie of people notice but his wife is part of that old black bourgeoisie. He's not yet he isn't yeah. Yeah and people think oh you know the wife and their family must have been proud to have married into this famous guy but they thought he was too low. He's a hollywood guy. And we vacation on the vineyard and we come from like several generations of black dentists and doctors and lawyers any thought that came as entertaining guy. It was entertainment guy. Even being rich was No and he but he wanted to like mary into that Black bourgeoisie on towns to ten. You know whatever thing. And i felt like these were the aesthetics that you know. I think he thought were What he had to be. I think it started infecting his movies. His movies iphone moved more toward that aesthetic for the worse And this is shame because like you know there's been directors in history of movies. Who definitely have like those type of wants but like self analyze like i was like come on spike. You can't even go on a fellini level. Start making like films about your really weird Connection with wanted to be joie like you know it sucks that he he. He couldn't be introspective about his own. Social status like some other directors have been able to do and you know the other thing is kinda like that's why i think comedian history. I think also was was dangerous. And it's interesting on share in the chat there's really good Twenty twenty and segment that was made about chameleon street about a year after armand whites actually in interview with it in our. My wife was a huge Champion of chameleon street back in the day like he was like he still is but like he was definitely like a person who constantly that people to see this film. But the thing that i i realize about chameleon street is like i think it's. It's class position that like douglas street is clearly a middle class working class. Kinda kinda guy who super intelligent and he only sees is interesting his relationship with like social striving like he he has a he. They may kind of social striving in that film. Look like a dirty thing bright. They don't make it ever looked pretty like people who ours have higher social status are either. They're because they're you know of their their history or they're white or something like that and you know his conniving attitude is is is is is associated with it and i think movies like spikes movies. They make this kind of like you. Movie rising to the top thing still pretty good you know and a lot of in the nineties got really popular and i think chameleon street really criticizes a certain kind of actually going into white like the clinton era of blackness. You know it's a total antithesis. I think to what the popular black narrative of what we're supposed be doing Collectively was in the end. You know that's attractive to people like We're not we're not selling this is not happening. That's right. I totally agree with that. I think like A lot of black filmmakers even back then you know one year making film that fits into that euro centric style of filmmaking. Your solidifying your place. As the other and i think what it be harassed why i love. Camilion street is because it was so antagonistic against that system and It was almost like liberating black cinema like created. Its own cinematic language and all the other black filmmakers were big. Then we're like no. I'm going to buy into this neoliberal idea of how it what it means to be successful as a black filmmaker and we. It's gotten worse. It's gotten really worse if you look at how You know as a film professor out bring up certain so makers and my students even the black ones. Look at me like that and it's really sad. I'm worried about the future of black cinema. Oh my god. I feel entombed. You've told me a similar story. i wish. I can't remember what it was about someone that you were surprised. Your black students didn't know. Yeah i mean my black students. I mean at similar experiences where you know I mentioned ellie rebellion. And things like that and like they don't know what they are. And i and i've long said this silhouette with skin was saying was that you know. I think a big thing that ended up happening was movies. Like chameleon street all the films in the la rebellion on. They went relatively unseen by a lot of black filmmakers. Who have access to make movies today. They never seen these films so their education of what film has come from his come from hollywood movies and the hollywood films that by black people that were you know co-signed by by white people right and or sometimes directed by white people always finding funding like so many black people talk about like the color purple being this important black blue spielberg movie. It never enters my brain as a black film like you're not into my brain before a lot of people that does right and a lot of these movies that are not made by us. And the being the blueprint a lot of these people who are making movies now work from including including black people. Yeah and it's and it's it's it's it's and these films a chameleon street You know the film's holly karima. And you know. Charles burnett's an interesting one. Because i i feel like killer of sheep kind of got that little like it's a love about by like the hollywood oscar community. There's there's one where they were doing. A killer and sheep and daughters of the dust. You saw them like but they only took them like glue. They never went into the actual cinematic presentation of the films. They took like you know Taking the how beyonce's took daughters of the dust. You know costumes statics. You know you know in killers. Sheep like the black and white in the kind of i remember why shabazz palaces. That whole thing with a killer a sheep and it became really like nisha. The moment i think what. Jay z mentioned something. Oh yeah. I'm jay z. Another rapper mentioned and it was like ooh la out soon. Like when you speak. Jay z with with turkey buki. That was that was the one that easy borrowed. I thought a better example of the type of that I felt lee's movies. Were becoming cinematic equivalent of i've. I've remember the name now. I found the name better than jonathan green as far as being emblematic Cynthia saint james. Cynthia spelled with s. And i'll put a google linked to her art in the chat room so you can see but her art. She actually did. The covers a terry mcmillan's stuff and that became for a while. Be look of black yuppie art on Gospel brunch type art and expect these move toward tower that but then after that he is known what to become. Because i don't really know what there is for black people in his age range really who want to be respectable two have an identity as you know like like what is there for someone his his age and it's kind of a shame because i think he's not in touch with the situation on the ground in bed stuy or fort green. It's different for green. They were popping bottles because trump won in fort greene and they showed a video of him. Know you're surrounded by white people like you know it's like no you're in fort greene technically. But you're you're and this. Doesn't he living like the upper east side. I don't think he lives in for green but he does have the forty acres and a mule office. Still there. I'm not sure what's even done that he has. He has his offices there. I and someone on new actually works there. Yeah it always looks like half dead when i go by there. I think he kind of doesn't just outta tradition really. But i've a feeling he doesn't really do serious work In there but When they'll be harris i really would be interested in knowing what he would have done if you got a shot in in high with to create or if they would. He had an idea on that he talks about it was called. He wanted to accommodate called negropalpus He wanted to do like a farce About like you know like like rome. And he said he was going to. He wanted to get all the like really famous black yuppies. He said he wanted cosby. He wanted oprah and he wanted to do this. Big take down of black yuckiness coney garoppolo and like whenever he. He's told like three or four interviews at like literally. I've cracked the fuck up. Every time i heard it. And he said he was he was trying to get a beating with oprah you would take the be with him. Up is kinda died. I don't think we really haven't. I mean think they've gotten older but the new generation that's kind of replaced him as very white centered and i feel like all their kids went to the ivy leagues not to the hp us and it's kind of changed really that generation. Really even the spca user different now abc use it. You know trying to push be taken serious by teaching recall and judith butler alongside you know. Wbz boys so they're not really the same but that would have been a great time capsule to parody that totally and noah windows like this writing talent and his vision. Talent it would. It probably would have been funny biting in really you know and i. The dow wasn't the piece that he was that he was writing spike he. I've never gotten a read on what that actually was for. All i know is. I don't know if there was a completed script but it was like a pretty well formed idea that he was going to write it and spike was going to direct it but windows never said officially what happened but like there was a really bad disagreement that ended up happening and window. Says it you know. From his point of view it was done he was done dirty. This looking at this art work. I think it really sums up. What would the kind of films that you know spike makes it's it's really superficialness. There's not much detail. It's very like arcade you know nyc on. That's what i really liked about Camilion street was like. I didn't know what was going to happen. When he was playing with the knife with his kid. I was like oh oh shipment just about to get real so like but a spike lee movie like you kinda know what's going to happen no more or less one now really focused on my seat and i feel like window would have kind of taken the piss out of this style of artwork that kind of seen it for the county cliche that it was or the self parody. Was you know. He seemed to have a good voice for he. He was good at making fun of things without being heavy handed. I mean this. This art injin both of these artists that he posted. They seem to just be like. They took this jacob lawrence series of paintings and his style from the fifties and then just like made it cleaner and took away any sort of the commentary that he was trying to do. And then that's it doesn't seem to be anything about it. Like i'm looking at jacob lawrence now and wow that's beautiful that has more character and east different like if i'm ashamed that i never know his name. I actually recognize two of these pieces. Image search. I just did by never knew the name of the guy If you look at those other artists work they all seem to be like this phoning in copies of the same one piece over or the same. It's almost seems gimmicky in a way. That jacob lawrence's Yeah i think that jacob lawrence call them like aping. Him is really on point. Because jacob lawrence became kind of harlem renaissance like post. You know guy that. I think black people with money would like go get jacob lawrence piece. You know so. It'd be natural that they will try to do. These watered watered down versions of jacob glorious extra commercialize when i saw those images jacob lawrence The first thing that came to mind and really essentially they just eighties version of jacob lawrence eighties so eighty and it's the candy pop version. They'd be in eighty pop version. And that's why i say like Tarand's benches music is like the jazz version of what that is to art. And i felt like those aesthetics. Those sounds gradually infiltrated spikes. And they think it's affected his writing and directing to some degree as well as anyone as any. I don't think a good documentary. But i think it's very telling as anyone seen that nelson george documentary brooklyn bahim. No no it's so. It's not a documentary nelson joys as does not have the ability to be Introspective in my opinion but He did this documentary about that. Nineties era of Creatives and i put those in quotations of people like him and spike like the the the the blue moon cafe like poetry community of the nineties and all that stuff all williams and all that stuff and it's interesting because document wise. If you have like you know a good analyst deeming brooklyn moon brooklyn moon. Yeah yeah yeah brooklyn moon cafe over there for so but He he has a good If you have a good eye of like at this stuff like you know from a critical lens you're able to get a lot of information about these people were about becoming the next like black bourgeoisie. Your they felt like they were doing it like you know. We're going to keep it black. But it was like clearly also they were like we wanna make money. Yes saying and go to brooklyn all the time i went nostrils yolk sac. I can see how cringe was homey no. I used to go to a lot of that stuff. Like i knew williams personally back in like ninety five. You know i used to go to like things you know. I know a lot of poetry crowd when i was like sixteen seventeen. I still follow a lotta money round. I remember seeing schemer bombs. That was the first time. I saw him years before he was on is. Yeah i remember you were on For for bitter right yet. And interestingly i document documented to watch only because i think you get the kind of mentality that That developed of that community. Which then you say oh it totally makes sense for who they became now. But you know one thing i will say about that. Crowd i think is way better than I think they're much more Ancestors of today's like back accidents crowd and the isa raise and stuff. But the one thing i will say but them they were they did have some level of talent. Even they were obnoxious. Like totally did that. First waiver. brooklyn moon Slam poets and stuff were so much better than what that even that became by the time of death poetry jam coal jam was a bunch of ticks and affectation tropes and cliches already. Gm most most deaf came out of that too. So you know. Most deficits dote most came out of that stuff and people like Erica do came out of that so yes a lot of really joe. People did come out of that black. It's interesting when you see like erica. Do have having like political issues on twitter and a lot of black but having to come out of saying some really foul shit you get it now you get it now. Basically on what. She didn't really care about all this. It was an aesthetic to her. She is like blackness. Isn't aesthetic to erica. Do it's not really a thing for her past that year. Yeah and it's like the new people are a much Add more advanced version of that. I mean in a bad way like They've like if erica brand new was fifty percent aesthetic fifty percent. You know authenticity. These new people are like eighty percent Aesthetic and stuff but it's fun. It percents totally but it was much better. But it was a harbinger of bad things to come like these things pop up out of nowhere but the one thing i will lloyd saying defense they did. Do some generally good working allowed the home for soap if you ever wanted if you guys want to use something good like mums. This poem Kidnapped the president. Li- still love that one. I listened to that. Like all the time i saw him a brooklyn moon and stuff like that in a by time of death comedy jam. Who was so bad. It was just like you know it was like the poetry version of the comedy member. By the end s comedy jam was just always sex sex sex the jokes cursing and they lost a lot of the charm of the first wave of def comedy was like all the first wave. People got tv gigs. And when they brought back with new hosts it was like they were getting like The triple a squad. And they were a parody. That's what that slam poetry stuff became later. I mean people come on is like i pulled out my big green canton and i could be with her for my life. What are you talking about. This is the thing i ever heard i would. I would also add that. I think you know what separates the the same category people. I think you can't discount the impact of afro punk and hybridization of of interest real video video games comic books etc all that sort of blurred culture mixed with the the music aspect of afro pumpkin and intersection. Now you know critical race theory all these different things that really separate them from the groups in east groups in the eighties and the nineties which were much more coming out of a for lack of a better term sort of authentic black lineage. That more sort of isolated impure even. I don't know if that's the right words. But that's i think what i'm trying to say is a very good analogy. Sorry i would say men the Afro punk thing man. That always that always bothered me man. It was never. We've never thing. It was always isolated showers in new york at the time and it started out as the documentary and it was really the guy i don't know i don't know his name or anything to show that he's like seek out black com- people at shows but came james. Learn james spooner right. Yeah but he will only seek out specific people like it's hard to say but like you would only talk to certain black people. It wasn't really a it was very curated account of it. I remember that Yeah it was never a thing. it wasn't Wasn't organic were black. Man made i was. I was going to a lot of shows at the time. As well. And i one percent agree and i'd never even i mean i understood what he was trying to really pulling some groups that were connected with the black rock coalition coalition like fish bone and the untouchables and living color and trying to make like an updated version of that. But it was so forced and sort of artificial and curated in a way that that stuff never was on. I was going to say required to pick up is sound info saying you know There's not really like a current version of the black The la rebellion. like what. i'm saying like there's a. I know for a fact. There's some big filmmakers because my friends who went to school with have dealt with they just still people's ideas because they don't have any original ideas and we'll never know about that because they make sure to hide it but like some of the biggest black filmmakers today had stolen some of their biggest films and still try to squeeze out other black filmmakers who don't have the power or the connections to say no they dangle care of. Hey you wanna career you some money when agent you know. Let me take your scripts. I'm gonna put my name on it. We'll pay you nicely. Take your name off of it. And i'm i think we need like a new like la rebellion to add to what you're saying i think Been to bring it back to win. They'll be harris. I feel like they've been several forks in the road and at each fork in the road the corporate Kind of kind of one of corporate path kind of one and then when that split happens. There's another fork in the road in the corporate Side wins again and each time. There's that split the path that is not corporate kind of go somewhere else and peters out and kind of like you know flails so you get people like Who did daughters at a dust. This bill gunn movie. I saw a very. There's a lot of great people that you find when you look and you're like what happened is person why did not do more than you find out. You know for some reason they couldn't Hacked the system where the system didn't couldn't find a place to put them in and they just kind of either took their own break from the system or were kicked out of it and they were contemporaries with someone else. Who didn't know how to game the system and i feel like at every stage in the fifties sixties seventies. There's that split that happens. And whoever's the wrong side of the split usually did the work but they kind of went into obscurity in georgia's head colt followings. Or whatever. But i think the kind of problem is with that is that when that split keeps happening is like a overton window where i think. Today the split is like corporate incorporate light that make sense like it's like it's gone so far in corporate direction that even the good side of the split is like you know marginally better than it's and it's also compounded by the fact that like america in general is like a really like when it comes like independent film like in general isn't a really bad moment. Like indie film has become a breeding ground of audition pad to do. Hollywood movies even for white filmmakers. You know what i'm saying. I think that's to independent films nominated static. It's a look now. Totally actually is like miramax for while everything max. These automatically called independent and miramax not even a independent studio anymore. It's a big boy you know. English english patient was not an independent movie. Let's let's be fucking real expensive as hell. You know what i'm saying but it's like but you could see it In that you totally correct. It's like a systemic where they like prove that they have the ability to make a film if they were given the money. That's on a hollywood level so making a film wacky chameleon street or like the other films that came out on the eighties. xxi's in videotape and stuff like that. That doesn't even happen in the us now on on any level and and it's it's really interesting so when when you separates a black people who are ready like ten steps behind the game. You know the idea. I think for so many black folk Well for two reasons. I think a they don't know about the rebellion and things that they did and they're not attached to emotionally and in the second the second thing is even if they are attached to what emotionally or they they they know about it. They're like too scared to like really step into it. There is no collective mentality amongst the black filmmakers. Should be like you know. It's fucking band together and do something like that. Make the film. Collective have our own dogma. Ninety five moment or some shit here you know. But like i don't see those discussions happening and i'm just now. I'm i'm filmmakers allowed discussions with people and they don't really happen i don't i don't i don't i don't hear more if they're happening on. My internet does a reverse racism that today's black artists have where If is the idea that when you're not in the room when you're not around nothing is happening you know. I feel like they have that with white people that white people are if during that in the view or the presence or the awareness of a white person they cease to exist so out and it can do the type of black collective because white people give him feedback. They wouldn't know how to proceed. It'll be like talking to your therapist or something and he. Just you're talking about two hours. He doesn't say anything. You know feeling like you're going crazy. I feel like that's where they're like. They don't know who they are without white feedback amp. Sorry i cut somebody offered in mean to. I was just gonna say in tim. I 'cause i had talks with lot of black filmmakers. Wanted to put something together at then. You get to know the more you like. Oh okay maybe. I don't want to do this because you know you're you wanna be salvaged moment and i'll say do like charles son johnson. He was one of my students here. Lmu so i had a chance to really. He talked to mr berg and And then you know. I know murari your ema From usc. i had a chance to chop it up with him. But what's interesting. Is that like even like okay. I would say like Even mr brunette son by johnson is grateful maker. Bilotta black kids in this cohort didn't know about his father and like what. His father and i was really surprised by that. Because i'm like you come from such a a an amazing legacy and they still didn't grasp on me. Obviously jonathan this his dad but it was still mind blowing to me And and you know you're right. People don't want to rock the boat too much like they they wanna be a radical until Just you know just enough so they can still make a lot of money you know. And it's really discouraging. A skinner could ask you something I wanted to know. Do you ever feel sometimes that when you talk to those type of black people you wanna do a collective with the everything you know. I'm better off just at this point. Just finding a really cool white dude to do stuff with since You know the backbone find getting are so ready to conform. No that's a. That's a good question as i'm actually has happened. I'm forty years old than You know it's like none of the people. I was trying to work with really wanting to get down. And i found one white person who was just like oh wipe you okay. Whatever but he's like willing to try to help me put some stuff together and so far has not obstructed me in any way. You know what i'm saying. So it's frustrating. Because i would rather have a cohort of black like minded filmmakers but It's like doing it on my own is. It's a struggle. I got two kids but doing you know i'm trying to do it so i'm trying to make art stake in what i'm saying. Yeah there's more and more that that's going to be a story a stuff that happens where you're going to be actually better off. Finding you know are rebellious wipers. Who just you know is down for whatever then trying to find like minded black people who aren't do the same thing i think too. Many people just the notice limited amount of spots and all want their foothold. Like when. I when i ask some of these black lawmakers mike okay. What's your favourite film of all time. Where i said. What's your favorite film that you've seen the last five years when they say stuff like harriet fly. I don't want to be their friends anymore. Long long i'm like i can't even superficially high highbrow movie that it takes a high intelligence to see how bad it is like that's like sub Beverly hills cop to me. And i think batum about maybe not a bad movie but you know what i mean. It's not like. I can't believe people in the film school or a series. Foam people are putting that movie sector favorite. You know i. Don i love. Skinner fills this different attitude. I think in these generations when it comes to the expectations of when movies are like there's been you know. I think it's kind of like post elitism attitude with movies. So if you openly like you know certain directors who are considered to be leat Or and i put elite nicole. -tations like it was like a negative connotation right if you walk in a room and say you know rainer werner. Fast benders my favorite filmmaker. You mmediately pay ct. A certain way enters this kind of attitude that y- you can like those movies but kind of being open about that is a is a kind of passe. kind of thank. You should really be championing movies. That are out there like you know getting love you know. Moonlight should be your favorite movie life. You know who get not not get sue. You shouldn't be saying how much you love you know Movies from japan in the sixties. That's that's that's about the characters in In the movie and the character construction of chameleon street and though the the women in the movie and especially the last one who like cells him out basically like you know Get some put in in jail. I was wondering if anybody else had the impression they were. Maybe like reflections of Facets of his own mind because he's going through his whole mental kind of a process and and you know kind of movie i feel kinda charts his his own vision of himself performing and And embodying something. I was wondering like i didn't understand number one. Why why he would get You know sold out like that by his love her then i thought. Maybe there's like a kind of yeah. Maybe she's a part of him. Maybe she's a part of psyche. Anybody else like women also What i thought with her was that she maybe how he sang. She wanted money and she wanted him to do all that stuff and then she kind of just started talking about it. And i think that was when she Betrayed him lake in relationships is when the person stops arguing with you that you should be worried. Because when they're arguing you is still actually checked in times when they just don't actually try to improve. You're right with you buy anything. They've actually kinda given up and checked out. That was kind of my take on it. That and i agree that they're all like different aspects of him but i think She was aspect of him. That wanted to be Considered trying to be respectable or whatever. And that 'cause. I honestly really like sargon this. This movie like blew my mind but i think like i. I didn't expect the those characters like has lovers in the movie to be so Unique faceted or kind of limited. You know they didn't get like lord of didn't get to build a lot so i thought maybe there's a reason why they were so tightly package wife that sold him our was why it sold them out. Might take in to make attorney what you think. I thought That it had to do kind of with her frustration Him and she gave kenan hints that she would sell them out before like when he thought to capture coming. And she's like. I'm going to tell them the truth. If they come came through the door she did some say. He's in there like she shot multiple times throughout the movie that she was not writer. Die very clearly so. It's kinda telegraphed. Well the thing about the movie. And i feel you can watch the movie kind of in two ways. I think it works both ways. You can watch it as like this guy telling like completely honest account of his existence or i think you have to realize that he's a common. It's an unreliable narrator. In a way right he's gonna give you the version of events that pleases his own psychological viewings of himself. You know what. I'm saying to a certain degree. And you're like i always took it as like gabrielle. His wife he tired around he tired her out by the by the by that moment like keeping doing so much and she and she says like several times about the movie how tired she is of the things that he's done so it's like you know when she says they look like t pointed out if the cops come into my door. I'm telling the truth so they probably came to the door a gabrielle said. I know where he is. You know and it's an interesting. I think the film is a works really well because it's completely subjective. It's like it's it's a one hundred objective Account of this man's mental viewing of his own existence. And it's really brilliant in that way you know like you know it's not objective kind of looking at you know this guy living. No this is. This is this guy's viewpoint of everything right even the dirty stuff he does. He know he makes it. Look like you know where you know. It's it's how he looks at it. And i think it's really brilliant in their way of looking at the psychological nature of the human being you know and and how they exist in how they tell themselves and how they reason you know their own things that they do. Yeah i think her being tired reflected in before her not even friday him about the money thing which you know When when was the quote fat moneys and everything and even if it was. I didn't have any any way. But you know she just stopped complaining. I think that was another sign of her being tired. She's like He didn't realize at the time but she was setting up to get him Sense out so at that point. What is she even care about trying to fix some more improvement. She's already mentally moved on but the idea that willey said about them being aspects of his personality What does anyone else think about that. Because i think he's onto something there at a degree she's superego to a degree ors conscience and the the dark skinned french. I was thinking up. Freedom movie thing like mostly the black characters gave me the impression the movie. Yeah i i think she's a superego. His wife is conscience the maybe the part of him that kinda even hates himself and wishes he could be more respectable and hates himself for that being who we could be. But i wonder if that if you agree with that who you think Black french grow Could be or how she contrast to the wife. Because i feel like that interesting contrast and that she would maybe redeemed them in a way that the wife couldn't or maybe not. I don't know well. He says he says it. He says that she's the one that His specifically but he hints at that she's like the ideal but he never is able to have. And the thing i think are the thing about a mean is always interesting is he. He admires her breath expense for the wrong reasons. He admires us. that she can speak tons of languages. Her worldliness so. I think he actually admires her social position that she has naturally that he never has can move places members. You understand the french. And he's like oh. I wish i could speak french like that. He he's he's totally. She's beautiful beautiful woman beautiful dark woman. I also think her being very dark and him being like brown skin. It's also interesting to just the woman who's like his highest ideal. I think and his his wife who he likes better than the other wife lower. The meena is a lighter woman. Is this interesting the way he plays with. Those dynamics in the film i feel. There's a simplicity to his wife. That makes them comfortable because he can feel superior to her and that allows him to kind of go back to her. Because he's literally an impostor if you wanna tell you an imposter syndrome to his character. He's not only someone who suffers from You know the figurative imposter syndrome. He literally ninety percent of the times is an impostor. And i think it's kind of interesting that He's both literally and figuratively imposter. And if he had to be with her. I think the dark skin one. She's who would. Ideally most like to be with because the kind of people that he fakes being are people who would probably be in her social circle when she gets out of school. Enact like like. He's an imposter of the kind of people that she is but also if he was to commit to being with her he probably fears on some level. She's going to tire of him or remind him that he's not that or you know. Get lake we wanna fake french. But he doesn't want to actually do the work and sit down and learn french. Yeah i mean. He's i mean if if we understand who has a conman and this is a story from his perspective. That whole comment is really good at understanding other people's reactions in emotions and motivations but doesn't doesn't have any empathy for them. They don't care about the other people. The very good at manipulating them. And so it's a very ego centric sort of Personality so i don't. I don't think that it's they're meant to necessarily be fragments of his like who he is but just because everything is about him the way that the care of these female characters are they all their only about how he sees them what he uses them for what i get out of it If we're talking about the female character the one that i think is like different and really interesting is his daughter who only shows up like two or three times and one of them is to make the scene about the black barbie which is a reference to the other woman and then to have that weird knife thing which i didn't wish this to log on i didn't i don't know if i fully understand what the total significance of it but i think i think understanding him as like somebody who can't connect other people mostly as pretty important yeah Yeah just kind of found this really relatable lots away which is and who saw unsettling but yet i think you know. He agreed with what she was saying. This like what we were seeing was how his own interpretation of the people around him from the women in his life also the guy in the prison like he. He didn't notice that the kind of prison was trying to groom him more. Were trying to come onto him. I it wasn't that moment where he add to you know face you know the reality and i thought that scene is very You know interesting Because you know he he. He was really shocked even though he is smart enough to to know what was what was going on. You really believe that this guy which is giving him free stuff with our anything. Return on so yeah. Yeah yeah just all about what you said. A team with the impostor syndrome I think that. I don't know about other people but i kind of found found that really relatable as well as you know kind of doubting yourself And it could be you know. Racial dynamic arnold. That was done purposely in the film. But i think being a whether you're black dr a black lawyer. Whatever he wants to great jobs yeah feeling. Great point is interesting. Like i said you know they relate to the film i so i saw chameleon street. I was like house like twenty twenty one. I can't remember will how no matter. Twenty three f. i. I saw it. I got it from kim's video of vhs of it and watch what a couple of home a mind and a thing that has struck me about it and talking to this day as like. Because i think of like social position. There are moments where i have imposter syndrome because i do have the qualifications but because of who i am i may to fill lesser. But there's also this opposite on the where i feel like i'm a doug street where like because i need to give people what they want. I actually lying. you know what i'm saying. I'm actually lying about who. I am in a way like doug street because i feel like i have to go in there and put on a performance. You know But i would just woman even if you have the qualifications. Do all the time i do it all the time i was at your voice heard yes i would say. That's more. Tha my mind at least a realization of the game overall people. There's so many people of all different races and backgrounds who have fronted and gotten where they are whether they credentials or not and realizing that and not seeing that as a sort of baggage. I'm being an impostor as opposed to a mechanism by which people of all different talent levels move along in the world. I think liberating says that in the movie kind of like he says he realize it's like there's a couple years where he makes that he realizes that we're about how at the doctors they they look a certain way and they do this and they because of how you look they give you respect Yeah i was just like. He's he's figuring out the game that it's about looks and presentation more than anything a critique of the idea of meritocracy the ugly william made a good point in the chat. I thought Should bring in here. Who is still in the chat. Actually i think it was hit rhodes who was like Why is his daughter. You know what's the deal with a knife scene. I felt like that kind of. There's a play with his mental kind of his mental state. The whole time you're gonna questioning is this whole performance thing a making him go crazy over time and happens like a few times and you see him. Faking kind of having an epileptic seizure. You see him. There's multiple times re-think he's endanger. I felt like that was kind of just another iteration of that. Like is he losing his shit. He says i'm sick. i'm crazy. he's going crazy. And i feel like it. Was you know. Just another way of showing that he was actually a saying saying and a good father. He's having a good time with his daughter but Yeah his wife wasn't having it was yet. I totally agree with that. I think You know it's like as black been gas which i hate that term but we have been in terms of like bootstrap mentality you know. Just work hard In things will be okay and like you know for non. You know when you're talking about how You realize that people Treat helped them mentally. They're actually the saint once In order for them operate in that society would have to be insane. And so i think community taps into that right because it's like Playing all these different roles and you still can't win. It's like okay as lord Class black person. If i if i pretend to be a blue or an upper-class driver i'm gonna get found out and kicked out and i'm still back at about a run and his His his wife kind of plays on that too and she's the one who sells them out in the end and and the like The moment where he chooses not to stay with amina the the masked masquerade party or whatever The shot kind of lingers her face and he says he always remember how she looked that when when he left her but he never saw her again he pays for that he pays for a given up the woman who's actually down with year the dark skip the dugout with women didn't care she didn't care that he was a con man and you know she was probably the one that was the point. I want you to bring up in here. That i i was asking for because i totally agree with it and when you said it made me think too that that was kind of that self sabotage fear of success because i think if if she if his wife is the part of him that allows himself to kind of limit himself. She kind of reminded me of the college's girlfriend in spook who sat by the door. The wife of reminding me of that and she's a conventional thinker. she's Somebody who cares about like material things in status. And you know simple things were as this dark-skinned frenchwoman was kind of possibilities like you know. Hey maybe instead of bayton. French i can actually learn french. Like he can see. She's more of an actual substantial person whereas to use like Young and the idea of like the persona or the mass that you wear to finish society or different psychologists. Call it different things you know but you know. Basically the conformist side of you. I felt the wife represented conformity and Being kind of false and conventional and the dark skinned woman who spoke french can represent authenticity. And i think that ties into what willie was saying about that. She liked him for him. She was new. He was Con man was okay with it but he needed that relationship with himself. Like you have to like the real you to like someone else who likes to real. You hate the real you on some level then finding someone who likes the real you when not the fake you. is hard to deal with because they can have. You can only like them to the love. You can only accept their love to the level that you can accept yourself. And i think the wife was that kind of comfort to him the amina girl would have required him to step up and self actualize To accept her love. And i think he backed down from that and was afraid of that would be my take on that. I found this. I really like the romance aspect of this movie. It kind of reminded me a bit of the network which will also watch which similarly featured like this kind of long like lifelong type romance and find that stuff kind of really interesting. Because while i feel like the french kenyan woman was supposed to be like this kind of like known like suppose like styled as the one type thing i feel like the fact that he you know he feels compelled to go back to his wife. I think is something that's like. I don't know something that's really a real like people can't kind of escape you know some relationships And i've seen that a lot in real life is just that people kinda big being drawn back to the same people over. You think that was do you think is because his love for her was true than his love for amina. Do you think he was a self limiting thing. I thought that almost like. I thought that kind of like what he was saying with the media which almost saying back to him was that she was like a temporary thing and that she saw that in him that she was bracing for him and that eventually he was going and that's why kids she kept bringing up his wife because she was like she already saw that he was going to go back to her. A why do you think he was that she saw. He was going to go back to her. Because that my own personal theory but these things are all subjective. And i'm always open to hearing someone make the case for something different than nineteen amino also like directly questions. Like she's asked him like you know. Like what is your design like. You know like she actually is forcing him to actually be forthcoming while like gabrielle. More like do it don't do it. Yeah and mean is more like why are you doing this. Let him allows him to stay limited and yeah and whereas meaning would eventually force him to step up and be honest with himself Which is why he's running from. Yeah the whole time you just running from the cops. He's running from himself hiding. He's notorious repeater. Like he goes to jail gets out of jail and then was the first thing he does. Another con- then he loses that khan and then there's another con and another con. It's like he he he he he he just he's just he's a repeater. That's like the one thing that he does consistently is still do this thing over again. I really believe is a lot of men. A lot of women who don't want a good person that's going to make them up their game like they will sabotage it for the person that allows them to stay at their current level or comfortable Level nikki use them as an excuse to not bro. And i feel like his wife was never going to Challenge him to to grow. You know at the end of the day. She was going to put up with this shit until she wouldn't Put up with this shit. But you know would gabrielle. He would have had to learn real french. He would have had to eventually start answer her questions like he wants to. Just be with her and not talk about his wife. But she's like. I'll be with you but we're not going to pretend that you're not married either. Like she was constantly forcing him to turn toward the truth or turn toward authenticity. And i think it he was enticed by because she was the kind of person who matched the person he was pretending to be like. I think a lot of people they see certain people and they think. Hey if i could get a girl that looks like that if proves to myself that finally have become the person that the idealized person i've always wanted to be like the idealized person i have in my head is with a girl like that and if i get it almost proved to myself that i've now become that person but she would not just be something optical if he was to be with her she would make actually really become that person. You wouldn't just appear to be that person the gabrielle looks really nice and she looks like the person who you know. Someone's accessible might which is pretty and everything but amina actually is of substance. He would have to subsidize upgrading substance and to me that Is what makes me go back to his wife. He doesn't want to step up to the challenge. Maybe because he's afraid. And i don't know well sorry go ahead. I like also look how he falls over paula. Mcgee right like the african queen goddess like. He's he's in love with that ideal. Any feels below it to a certain degree. Exactly he feels be lowered and that and he'd rather cut himself from it before if he commits to it and fails. It'll be more heartbreaking than if he sabotages it himself and then you can ask themselves what if and never have to confront if you could have cut the mustard or not a camera you were saying. Oh yeah has kamara angry with what you guys were saying. I thought to I think amina makes him would make him question why. He's even combat because he uses a gabriela. Excuse that she's always for money or how many is going to be made. And if he doesn't have that then. I think he has to deal with the motivation of. Why do i really do this. And it's because you know it's just who it's like a part of him part of his personality and what he wants to do a great observation. You had think about that. You're right yeah. I think that's why he can't be with meena right. I mean that's just because that's who he is and think that's kind of like i don't know what i find a little powerful about that You know. I don't know like people you know. They are who they are in some cases like you can try to change and you can attempt to strive to be a different person through a different relationship. Even i think a lot of people do that right but really you are. You are and and i feel like in some cases you know. People are drawn back to the relationships that you know that they're kind of meant to have a little bit. I feel like people kind of reach out and and try to pretend that especially with romantic relationships that they're different person sent who they are. That's really interesting. Because i agree with you that he thinks that i think he thinks that the limited person he is with his wife is who he is but i would actually argue that. It's the other way round. He's afraid of. How do i put this. I i think. I think it's more comforting to him to believe there who use his wife is who we really is. Because then it doesn't require him to step up. I feel like amina was actually challenging him to find out who he really was. I don't think like where you kind of talking about. Seems like an almost a deterministic thing. Like he can't change. He is that guy so he Can't be with the meena because it would be a lie. I actually don't think that. But i believe that he thinks that so he has to sabotage it or kill it you know before she finds out but i think that's a false self that like Karen name Talks about to fall sells you know people talk about a false softener. True self and narcissists have a false self and a lot of people need discussed narcissists only talk about false self as this idealized fall south like this false off of grandiose grandiosity and whatever but karen who had a little more nuanced version of where her thing was that narcissists or neurotic. People actually have to fall sells One is the grandiose one this high level who they would be with unlimited power limited. You know things or whatever and then the other false self is the despised fall self and that's the one that is The the low version of themselves like fear being who they would their imposter syndrome. Where they think they're going to be revealed. As being narcissists their inability to find your true self comes from causes them to oscillate between the two fall solves that that's why they call it splitting or some people have bipolar syndrome. Only you know. Imagine themselves as being perfect and elevated you know or imagine him thousand being degraded and despised and What karen horny. The people from that school where they try to do is try to get you to get rid of both sides of like both of them are false the worst version of yourself that you think you could be or think you're going to be exposed as if you let somebody in and love. You is as much of a lie. As this front that you're putting on of you know and i think to me amina like a meal is going to force him to discard the elevated idealized of the khan and the Limited version of himself that he allowed himself to be With his wife which was to me the other false off the despise foster of being with his wife allowed him to oscillate between those two fall selves being allowed them to be real at all. I think it's quite the opposite. I don't think him being with his wife represented him going back to his true. Saw for his You know with the scorpion. And the frog i think he does believe that that is his nature so i do think you're right but i think you're wrong if that makes sense. Yeah it's funny. I'm glad you brought the scorpion and frog because like you. This actually making me think about the significance of that final moment of where he says. Because it's my character right. Yeah i mean you could debate whether or not it's like it's you know the the the the two sides of it but i think this idea of him self sabotaging is like is is plainly in the text of the film. You know he does it. You know this it whether whether it's predetermined or not or he has the ability to change is another discussion but the but it is clear that you know he. He at least believes it's within his character. He says it says he's last person who speaks and you said this is my character. I think by think that's has a lot to do with being black. I think it's a metaphor for a lot of people when they're black things i mean. That's what the whole racing cute thing that has animated Racialist gushin's from the beginning in in the west you know like Can a black person change and be smart and not be pathological in these. Rake out of this. I think there is a certain part by being black where people fear. What if i Can change what. I am genetically permanency or even culturally permanently inferior. You know. I thought about the character thing like it's my character when there's the allegory of the frog and the scorpion. I can't help but read this kind of narrative over the movie as well Since wendell b harris junior is like the acting and like he's directing here as well right. I believe yeah totally yeah directing acting an inroad it all three so he also he also includes like cinema includes the the the the beauty and the beast in there The french cinema references. And like so. There's like a whole theme Meta theme about acting and playing a character in here and and I don't know if i'm just like reading too much into it. But i feel like The you know he's playing all these different characters. he's he's acting so well these things That he's actually doing them. He he fucking manages to play like a surgeon doesn't know like you know how to do these surgeries properly and free time. He gets caught and like even ends up going to jail. Usually it's four being really good at what he was doing. It got found out that he was acting And i can't help but see kind of like an ira need. You know you guys were talking earlier. About how Wendell b harrison. Junior made a really good film. He acted in. He did such a good job of doing something. Those actually original something has actually profound and he got punished for basically he excluded out of. The out of hollywood said that that was kind of like erotic. He broke the tree. He put up a trade secrets. He's like you know. I can imagine like a bunch of hollywood executive watching that movie or even black ones who go. Oh shit i. I lied like this to get where i am. He's fucking up my game right now by telling by telling you know the trade secrets of of of of ousted goes get this movie out. You're out there has been any comparisons between this film and catch me if you can. He made a key made a funny joke about it in an interview. And i wish i could. I wish i could It's one of his interviews. I'll find it and i'll send it to two trevor. But he does make a joke about Catch me if you can I if feels like shot the joke that he makes him but i i. It's been a wall. I looked at it but he didn't make a joke about it at one point just on that like the his ability to i'd get these jobs and stuff like i wonder it seems like when i was a kid for whatever reason i was obsessed with this idea of being able to just like leave and then become something totally new and i would like seek out like stories about that like fiction stories and stuff about like people by common and whatever who did that and as an adult i like in my exact opposite but i wonder if like how much of that is still possible with the ability to dislike with all social media and stuff and the ability to dislike search people online. How much of his like cons would have gotten found out before he even got in the door. I think social media's opens the door to a whole new type of con- some of the most fakest people ever now more than ever. It's just online cons. You know you switched his game. I'm sure some of those things he couldn't do now but like he would have found a guy that intelligent would found another way. That's exactly what i was thinking. You know i was. Actually thinking is winfield about The the scorpion. Frogging scoping analogy. Because i think even before the end of the movie. I thought he was irredeemable because he just has a current of unhappiness and like malcontent that runs through his entire life from his relationship with his working for his parents to all his relationship with women. And what's very telling is the fact that he's thought when he was in prison and he was talking to the guy and he goes. Are you reading these books. And he goes. Yeah but the funny thing is i can actually understand him so really he actually does have the keys to get out of his situation and and live differently and he doesn't need the french woman to do that either. He's just actually choosing not to. And i think the big question for me that i kept my health as i watched the is why you know i feel like there's something that i can give you a theory as to why but Sorry you were still talking to so let you finish at redundant now by then i was saying is why because it seems that if he can't really make himself free with the tools he's got which seems really you know intellect impractical ability. He's only other option. Is self destruct. You know because he keeps throwing himself into prison. Eventually he's gonna he's gonna run out There's this concept called self handicapping it's They've done all these studies on it and there's Pretty near times. I had a pretty good article on the concept of self self handicapping. The people who have came up with the concept have a bunch of papers then. The guy's name is rhoda. Walt or something but Even did a whole book. It's a pretty good book. It compiles all the studies. It's it's really interesting but it comes down this idea. If you ever know somebody right you ever know somebody who or you might have been this person. They always wait to the last minute to do To study for the test or to do the paper or they'll show up to the day to test and they'll be like oh I didn't study for the. I didn't study for a test or dail Do something like for example. They'll come up with a very complicated way to cheat on exams was episode of growing pains. Where kirk cameron. Put all the answers to the test on his Sneakers and he wrote in the bottom of sneakers. You spend up all night writing in the bottom sneakers and the amount of work. He was doing to do that but ironically he ended up accident learning everything and he was able to when the test came. He realized wait. A minute actually knew the answers accidentally studied so he got the test right. He did well and he was so pleased with himself. Kick back you know. It's someone asks them. Hey how'd you do. He said oh. I did gray. And he kicked back and put his shoes on the desk issue like a piece of cake. And all the answers show any got in trouble for cheating when he didn't actually Cheat but ese at one. Yeah but what was funny about. That is like a lot of people self handicap their defence mechanisms and the work they put into self handicapping and doing all that stuff. A lot of times adds up to as much work or stress or whatever as actually just doing the work if you look at all the stuff that he was doing and all the things he was doing for the scans and everything. You can't say it was an easy life. In a way was an easy life in a way was short cuts but it. It was hard easy work. You know the prison why it worked so hard just to anywhere where he is where he just did a legitimate. He'd be better off and then point. Yeah key point to finish real quick. You gotta ask yourself. Why would he do that because he's not actually saving himself. Worked this ego self protection. What happens is as long as it keeps doing that. Hard easy work. He doesn't have to test himself in the real arena because for example if he goes to medical school and just try to become a doctor. He might find that that he failed. the person who the person who always wasted a last minute to Right their paper. If that person fails the paper they'll be like well. It wasn't my fault i'ts waited till the last minute but if they get a in the paper or being the paper it'll be like wow and guess what. I only did this at the last minute. Can you imagine if actually started early. Or you know the person who shows up to the test and says oh didn't even study at to cram at the last minute. I didn't prep at all same thing. If they fail they can be like well. It doesn't say anything about my essence. Because hey anybody would fail. Sp but thinking though Saw these elaborate scams. He succeeds for a while. Isn't he proves himself in a way that he succeeding. Isn't that kind of like. I mean what does the same thing at the guy that testers where he does it. Say 'cause in the we did can succeed but also it's not about proven that you could succeed. It's also having an out ready if you don't succeed so like that person who at the last minute he might you know. Get a and he can tell them stuff. Wow i guess. I really am that good. But it wasn't just about Proven he was that good. It was having that out saved because what he's doing it for is that i wanna be able that if i fail it's not gonna be a commentary on my unchangeable essence. And if i do everything that i can do to succeed at this thing. And i still fail. I don't have any outs. I can't say. I waited to the last minute to do it. And that's why failed. Or i i Discussed at all. Or i got drunken party the night before. The only possible answer is that i'm defective. So that's what. I think the motivation of people who are pathological conmen or short so-called shortcut. Shakers are not really to save. The work is to save Their ego from having to think of fundamental defectiveness. It's there's this lady in carol dick and she talks about. It should look erupt. She had a good Coverage in the new york magazine has a book called mindset and she talked about two things is called the fixed mindset and the growth mindset the fixed mindset is when you believe that whatever you are your fixed as raza growth mindset is i can always grow and she warns in the paper in her research. The worst thing you can do is praise a kid for being smart Because once they start thinking of smart as their core identity then they start fixing their whole world to protect that identity of smart where there has to be with shortcuts where there has to be with tearing other people down that's how a lot of narcissists formed. They have a rigid sense of who they are. They think who the are is very rigid And everything going forward in the life becomes a fact finding mission. I believe i'm fixed. I believe i can't be changed. So the only thing that's left for me is to look around the world and find the evidence to figure out which fixed identity i am Perfect and superior or dejected and inferior so to self handicapper constructs their lives to avoid ever. Finding out the truth if they're inferior reser person with the growth mindset she said the growth mindset is if you praise the child for effort so whether they did good or bad. You say wow. I'm very impressed by how hard you tried and How willing you are to learn from it. So they did studies and when they gave kids test and kissed it good or bad the ones they told half the kids. They praised him. Not being smart. The ones you did good. And the other half of the kids that good or bad the praise them on their effort and the ones who were praise on being smart and You know as your natural gifts. The second time around bay started playing to not lose because they were very afraid of losing that smart designation but the second group case because there were praised on their effort and perseverance What they did good or bad. They were willing to risk failing. And i think that's what am i answering your question. Do you understand like the connection. No anything yeah. Yeah and then. And that's where rhino was amina. Was that same thing. She was going to be a risk that if he took it he might reveal something. Defective about Himself yeah yeah. And then they'll say was when he was fighting with it well when he got beat up by a guy in the restaurant as that some people think may think he was actually he got beaten up by actually think that it was quite strategic can his just to let the guy hit him because if you look at his criminal record. He's pretty much nonviolent person. Hetty beaten that guy up. Then he'd fall two totally different class a person that'd be handled differently by the law. You know especially being you know him. Being a black person speaking to beating up a guy in public when the you know the stuff call the copsey nowadays. He heard that the cops. I think it wasn't really Quirk or idiosyncrasy or any kind of for a weakness on his part. I just think that he probably knows himself in no situation enough that he cannot afford to do something that he knows the consequences of his status in society. You know it's interesting that he sees himself as like the scorpion with the self sabotage stuff. But whenever he is in kind of a violent situation. He like the scorpion. Has obviously that kind of violent animal right like but he is like every time anytime. Someone spends him physically right like he backs away. Kind of immediately we're kind of like intellectualize is kind of interesting That he sees the scorpion but he doesn't actually want to fight but he's gone but his intellectual. It is very confrontational like that moment. When he because him fighting the white man would literally bring him to that white man's levels. What the white man wants him to do. But he gives him a lesson in intelligence and calls him a baboon on level. The guy can't even comprehend. That's actually like in a greater attack and it's a form of violence. It's a form of violence in a different way. You know i mean he. I mean the way. He acts that moment so he's literally pissing on the guy that's what the guy beats him so severely after right and i agree he could afford. I'm sure he could afford and he's not finding because he's not afraid but i think you wouldn't stand in front of the guy. If he was afraid for that long. But i think he he knows greater levels to to take people down and the guy being racist he could deal with losing a fistfight to black guy then Being being less intelligent than right. I i totally agree. He really he'd he takes on that scene but to gas went. I think there is something where he at the end. He has the opportunity to run and his That guy who comes in his co worker who comes in like is like oh take the fire exit a cover for you kind of thing. But he doesn't he he just like gives an i think that to gav gaven's point i think is a is different. It's a totally different situation and like totally different by him. But the scorpion The scorpions stings the frog while the frog is still swimming. The scorpion sting the frog when he gets across. The scorpion has a self destructive nature as well. That's right a frog asked him as sinking. Why did you do this. Cause the whole reason why the frog thinks he won't get stung by scorpions because the scorpions not stupid. He's not going to sting me when he needs me to Live so he thinks he's the he's safe at least while he's swimming but the scorpions ruins things. I'm halfway across. And i think it's the same thing with him not not running. I think it makes him more. The scorpion like a scorpion He his urge to destroy others mixed in with urge to destroy himself and like to take. I think he is a lot of animosity and hatred toward himself and i think it comes out in a lot of ways and that's away too. I think this movie is very suddenly about race without didactic backley being about race like i think a lot of is hatred toward himself is tied in with A lot of the hatred towards oneself. That it's hard to not They get to actively work against being black in a white supremacist society. The it's actually work. Actively work against developing am i correct in in thinking that he also just hates the world around him to a certain extent. I would agree totally. Yeah i i've always said that when i washed. His film was like has an equal amount of disdain. For all of the things that he is You know playing make believe in. And i think part part of the reason why i think he can play make believe so well is because he he also doesn't respect it. You know there's like a certain level like i i love the moment when he goes to the registrar and he does the whole thing where he's trying to get the light that dame he does like the. I rolled richard. Dukes and i always find an interesting because he understands how to make everything seem matter of fact because he doesn't he sees it as a as a way to get through but he also sees it as bullshit right bullshit opening seeing. He's in the car and he just screams like i'm bored bari. He's he's a question that i have that i actually don't know the answer to. I'm very interested in what you guys think to do you think to some level Part of him honestly has disdain for those things but think on some level. There's a part of him that this danes them because he thinks he can never have them or you never will totally measure up to them like self protective measure. Not measure up. I think. I think he hates them partly because he he doesn't have easy access to them totally. Because i think it's totally Like why does this fucker to have access to it. And i don't you know what i'm saying when kelly. I'm smarter than these. Yeah i finished as a part in. That thinks. If i had access to this i would make more of it so much more than these dollars. will you know if i could really i get that in like the dinner. The dinner scene when he's looking at each of the guys and he's like these mother fuckers man and then a guy comes to him in talks about lawyer him being this lawyer he's just like yeah man like i do this these pino and these people are you know they got it because of birth writer the right place right time. You know to put my kids pets. Some talking low I think too. It's like a it's also showing how you have all these white people who are On the surface you think of achieved so much really not either that intelligent that smart and so he's shown the underbelly of the system. You know an reagan and reagan against himself because he's locked out of it right now like black people we've been locked out of Capital and being able to participate in this system that we are under so. I think it critiques on us. I i got the impression he was. He felt. were more locked into it. Like he's doing this whole performance and he always has to keep going because he asked to get money he has to make money. He lives in a system that he didn't create and he's forced to be there. That's how i kind of took it ye was. Skinner was saying interesting. The one of the funny moments is always fine when he goes to the hospital and the first time the head doctor sees him. the head. Doctor is like enamored with him because they because because doug went went to harvard allegedly right and i find that. Very interesting that lighten. This guy like sees himself below him because of that. And it's so funny to be never seen a harvard guy. I've always heard rumors that when harvard guys do this parts. You know There's this guy called claude steele. I think he's the brother of the black conservative shelby steele But that lady. I was talking about before carol directly has the fixed in growth mindset. Stuff this guy. Claude steele the racial version of Research that took her theories and the it toward race and he create his body of research Those you in education heard about this. Because i think talk about it in admissions in education of things you try to do help Black students and stuff. But it's a it's a few list. Ecology called stereotype threat concepts psychology called stereotype threat and its related to the fixed mindset stuff but the fixed mindset in this case is a stereotype where A lot of people are afraid of conforming to a stereotype and it causes them to kind of play not to lose or they end up accidentally self sabotage afraid of conforming to the stereotype that they will actively avoid taking certain challenges for fear that if i take this challenge in earnest. I'm going to prove that conform to the stereotype in you know confirm to myself that you know maybe i am The embodiment of the stereotype. And i felt like this movie. Had a lot of that in it to like the fear of being stereotype and ironically like the stereotype. Says is what we wanted to stereotype threat. Research says is that ira ironically of the things that people do from stereotype threat and they're self protective measures actually end up making them conform to the stereotype and to a degree. That's what happened to him. He's a how many times Loser in terms of jail been to jail like multiple times. And he's headed back there he's he's very well. Speaking articulate Very smart intelligent. Well read person. He defies the stereotype that way but because of the things he does to avoid the risk of his Protecting his ego and stuff. He does self sabotaging things that at the end of the day. Make him a stereotype in other in other ways so even as he's trying to transcend the stereotype he confirms which is kinda tragic just makes that makes that scene also with the daughter. I think so hilarious. Because you know i think every time every person in the first time you see you think like he's about to go do something violent physically and then which is like what the kind of film maybe can lead you to believe that. Oh my god he is really going to be his. Descend poten- wendell. And also doug street planning with us of shows that no. I don't do that though and like completely messes with the audience. And the stereotypical kind of concept. So it's interesting. It's like is meadow way that he's also aware of it as well. It's an and that's why the film is so intelligent. It's his so brilliant because like the do that in the nfl part of the movie. Fucking larry's you totally take the piss out of people right now and even yourself ono and doug in the whole thing. It's really brilliant. What i love about art in general that good art is You know like we live in a world where people very much worship science an studies in whatever but i feel like art and art and good philosophy are always way ahead of science and all stuff and basically good sciences forever catching up to good art so they you know a lot of this research that i'm talking about is stuff that's happened in the You know past ten twenty years but people like this and works like this Tapped into it a long time ago. I think that's a real beauty of of art that. I think we're not really getting that much anymore. I feel like we have now. This thing that i call homework art where nicole homework. Tv shows are homework. Movies where people are reading new yorker in atlantic articles and then writing fiction to conform to you know suddenly reading the malcolm. Glad well peace or something like that. Instead of trying to strike on some kind of fundamental truth that will be proved. True by psychological studies assigned like decades or hundreds of years from now. I think it's a very big difference in the art that we have now as well that they are instructed by Articles and stuff like that. And then they'll even have like companion podcasts or articles giving your reading list of what to read if you like what you saw in this play in this movie or whatever t i agree with that. I think what we see now is the university Is art like a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. We lost the original version of what everyone's copying my see that my students where they're just trying to make a new steven spielberg george lucas type short film so that they can get the sunday and and it's just like they're doing it for the right reasons and everything around them in their lives are constructed. That way you know social media. Nothing's really rooted in anything serious or real people think that is a territory like the map and the territory but people do now You start us in comic books for. Anyone has ever like read comic books in the nineties. You had a bunch of people who learn to draw by looking at comic books whereas all comic book artists even though they look cruder they learned to dry looking at real people. These people never So they basically just looked like there was a copy of a copy. I feel like movies like that now. Like people bring life experience to the movies they wrote and directed or we're looking at life experience and now people make movies by looking at movies and yet yeah. It makes us attorney different type of product. Yeah it's like okay. For example you know like spike lee to bring it back to him. He's like a. He's like playing a costly version of his his younger self. And so now we have young black kids. we're like spike lee. Everything and there are copying the new spike lee but the news beckley is pretending or cost. Plan the oh spike lee and it just gets all messed up and no one really knows what up down and that's how i see it like i. I signed my students every year to re ways of seeing my freshman students by by birger so I i then by jon burge. I've been. I've been thinking a lot about you. Know his were talking about like reproductions. And you know kind of how he posited that you know once the kind of idea of like mechanical reproduction and and and the constant reproduction and within with an industry of artwork and everything became a norm. There was going to hit a point where we didn't know what an original or reproduction. Or what any of that met anymore. And kind of what you're saying is like what he kind of saying in the seventies like were there at that point we all know what's an original you know what's classified us we're so far gone and i i agree you see stuff. Everything seems like a A weird derivative of something else and not even like an honorable one where they're like paying homage. They're just literally trying to do that because they think that's what will be what will be successful also have like a lot of people don't have real life experience anymore. They grow up just consuming generations Didn't like were busy living. So i think there think life experience is their consumption right. I a lot with with young people. When i see like you know like the things they wanna talk about are the the movie characters they like. And i'm like well. I don't care about that as much as you know. Who is that best friend that you had when you were fifteen. And they don't think it's was interesting. They don't think it's interesting. Their best movie character exactly exactly consumption right but was crazy. Is they do the best friend on time. But they don't think it's interesting. They don't think they're actual life interesting. And i think that's really you know really sad man. I want to keep this. You know at a reasonable time plus go to bed early and so a cigarette to half hours and they want to cut it by the same time. I feel like we're getting such like fertile territory. So what do you say like Like ten minutes just you know. Let everyone get out. Any you know thoughts that they have and we stop it. There is ongoing with everybody. That sounds good to me. That sounds good in the bed with my kids so we really sounds good to you. I'm sure you're ready for this day. And i want to make sure everyone got a chance to get their Thoughts out especially whoever didn't Whoever spoke the least thought of the people here so anyone who feels like they haven't spoken that much you know. Feel free to take the floor and make sure you get any final thoughts you have out a spoke plenty but think sleigh. I really appreciate about this foam and some of those. We've watched there is like so much more. Authenticity about like trying to Embody something about like what. It's like to actually live as a person independently and not be referential to other things. And i really appreciate When we get a chance to get a chance to watch something like this because it means it means a little bit more when you're trying to reflect upon actual human condition. Yeah i would say really enjoyed this. And i'm really happy i got to see it as well And yeah Great here you to may on on this as well and if nobody knows the podcast go checkout within our gates. It's phenomenal really recommend it. Thank you ma'am appreciate. Yeah yeah anyone else want to Final thoughts and now. Yeah i'm gonna. I'm gonna send them the team but like definitely like watch wendell's interviews like they're really good like he has a of really good like video interviews audio ones. There's a audio one. That i think the guy took it down where he actually talks about what happened with him. Spike lee. But i feel like the guy who did the interview talk took it down i i i i know why if it's true. I know why he took it down but also senator two trevor The detach them. But like rita's interviews really interesting dude. Like talking about the world of movies and culture. He's he's a really sharp dude. And now i'm gonna put in the links to the studies that talked-about fixed mindset and stereotype threat and the freemen's interested in in that stuff. I don't really have much of in the film Category to bring all that Am to may supply those links in the show notes. Put all that stuff and Yeah i think that's a good place ended. Everyone seems to be tapped out. Think we took all the meat on that bone. Yeah i'm glad we waited until you To join us to a folk. Yeah no i'm happy. I mean like. I love that movie man so much and i love talking about it too and this actually. This conversation is that even a Haven't even had some things around it. That i've i've never even had around this. What's this great awesome awesome so everyone have a good night Stay safe you know. Keep it real. Don't don't keep fake like Doug the movies. Yes winning on lead to trouble right. And i i can again.

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59: Mens Fashion in The South: A Conversation With Marcel Ames of X of Pentacles.

The Fashion Geeks

56:14 min | 3 months ago

59: Mens Fashion in The South: A Conversation With Marcel Ames of X of Pentacles.

"I've had someone telling me to remove myself from photos. This was somebody who was black remove muscle from all photos because i would not be perceived as a luxury brand if they saw someone. Black house like advocate. This is supposed to be like a mentor at the time on black crime like what and You know in that in that was that was really toxic. Hello i'm red. And i'm jeff fasching geeks trying to make new york and the world. New york is the world a little flyer one outfit and podcast at a time. I'm a native new yorker. Been here all my life. Which means i'm from one of the world's centers more important one of the fashion capital. I'm sure by dented. Location is probably affected the importance of style. What if you're not from attachments. Does it mean that you can't be on the level or parents what if you're from sally other than matlock rapidly. Seersucker suit can be taken seriously even essentially. Can you be dixie fly. Oh this is reg ferguson. Fashion geek number. One how are you. Welcome to the ride. Thank you so much for listening. I'm a men's fashion consultant. Here in new york city and i helped fashion challenge. Men go from confused too confident if you ever found yourself staring out the closet and not knowing what to wear or the idea of shopping for clothes makes you feel physically ill and this is the show for you. My goal every episode is to help make looking good feel easy. If you ever want my help email me at reg at nyc dot com for consultation. If you have a friend who's looking to level up his fashion style wardrobe game. Please share an episode with them while you're at it. If you dig the show and having already left us a rating and review please consider doing so. Now you're shares ratings and reviews help grow the and help us get the best possible. Guess and help. More men dress their best. Today we're gonna talk with marcel. Aim who is in richmond virginia. And we're gonna talk about something that the everyday man should have in their wardrobe. We're gonna talk about bespoke and made to measure tailored clothing marcel in the building. I'm good on well. Thank you are you. I'm hanging in man. It's a it's friday it is it is fraught thank goodness friday right. Kick that crap on open and relax man. Thank you for having me. Oh absolutely man. Yeah i if we were doing If we were doing video i would've crack one. Open a second ugly you keep on open. Yes but unfortunately with the home studio setup that that you and i talked about on the dl. Yes not have to do that after after yet. News right now yes. It's not a. It's not a good work so before we go into our topic. Please tell us. So what do you do what you do. I am a designer is the title that i assume But in all honesty. I do everything. owner of ten pinnacles. Which i guess. I consider more of a design house So you know my role is. I'm a i'm sort of a solo preneurs. Guess you would call me And do every aspect from the business from you know coating the website to designing to shipping filmon marketing every single aspect of it as many newer brands do but might the title. I liked us. The most is as designer the brand straight to the point. And can you elaborate of what ten pentacle is and i want to keep it real with you. I've been following on the ground for a while. You probably thousands of followers. So you know there's one guy from new york who's that appreciate it. Thank you know. No absolutely yeah. I'm not blowing smoke. Yeah i followed your account a while ago. Because i learned about you actually to a magazine article. Oh and yeah. Yeah and then. The reason why i asked you on is that i do a lot of clubhouse now and you were in. Greg's room of nobody walks alone said other. No man walks along right and we're gonna talk about that probably Eventually in this episode sean. And i was like. Oh yeah i totally know. This guy is followed him and and read about him so big shout out to clubhouse in in here we are. But i'm not keep it real with you. I thought it was x. Pinnacles for a long time so all right. Let's get to the bottom of that. Yes as a newer brand as you know someone that is continuing to try to get traction it all amid. It's it's a bit of a difficult name. It comes from a tarot card for those right. I so i did my research going so this This exa pentacle. That's interesting. i was like x. Men like the terror man. Yeah so basically you know. I and i've actually used use it sort of interchangeably in conversation with people for the simple fact that if you were to google ten of pencils like t. e. n. If i were to be in conversation with you and say oh my brands pedals went back to google it. You come up with a tarot card in you know unless you use some sort of specific keywords like ten panels clothing something like that so i would say exit pinnacles to people so that they got home or jumped on their phone and wanted to find you on on the ground or whatever and they type in acts of pensacola they find me But it is you know Formerly it is ten of penn schools so hope they hope their clears it out now absolutely Summit so like. I said i'm a research guy that card specifically unless you to elaborate about why you chose it. It represents wealth and long term success for starting out Even before i had the brand. I had kinda like this Tarot reading You know it was like during a very very turbulent time for me and i was just kind of sort of grasping for straws honestly in Wanted some kind of and you know always been a fan of the as of terek Obviously and so. I had and i've done you know dowsing pendulum things before in all kinds of different things but Detail reading it was advised to me to reflect upon this ten pencils card of this car. Kept showing up for me So that you know. Connie going in the logo Is another actually comes from hendon. Meditation called the tot spas in represents a process manifestation so it was basically like a sort of a creative visualization exercise. Where you have these symbols of this circle the triangle the crescent in the square that represented elements but represented this process of manifestation so the circle being thought or a vision of something the triangle being emotion passion desire The crescent being. You know Like fluidity being able to Adjust like water and sort of be able to let go of things in an amicable way. And then you know obviously doing like physical work into you get to the square and Which represents earth in that the actual physical tangible manifestation or outcome of this vision so attaching all those things together and i had deadlight carbon to a wooden box before even before this brand even existed. That was a personal part of me and Sort of like my own personal ethos for how i viewed life and kind of wanted to operate so when we pair those two things together that was that was already there for me so naturally like in starting the brand. It was like boom already. Had i have a logo ahead. I have the name and It was just kind of going up from there so you really took two philosophies and combine them us and again that logo is the circle triangle crescent square and those represent in order. I believe air fire water in earth. Is that correct correct. That is correct. It is Yeah you know. It's it's one of those sort of reflective of his positive Cars in the doctor you know stood for Serve this reflective way like if you look on the card you'll see like this old man and sort of a family and there's like a castle in the background and there's like wheaton things growing in a kind of stood i guess for me like acquiring or building Building wealth and not just not necessarily material wealth but Materializing certain things in your life and being able to reflect on them and enjoy them. You know we. We often worked so hard in our lives and in the never stop to smell the roses so to speak or some people are sort of adverse to you know Maybe buying things that they enjoy or taking trips or you know doing things it's like okay. We work so hard we need to actually enjoy ourselves and there was sort of a parallel with that and sort of my Kind of growing philosophy. Like you know just from me. Being kind of menswear heard of for several years it was like you know when i was going through that journey in first starting out i was like okay. I wanna know what is the best of the best. What is something good. Look like how is that may would make something great you know. Why would make something well-made thought out why why are these things good. Who makes them how they done that. That whole kinda fan In so there was kind of a parallel between that where it was like with brand you know when people kind of reached that moment of all right. I'm tired of shopping malls. Maybe or you know buying things kinda wear out after a season or don't look god whatever the case may be whatever you reasoning is for wanting to sort of step up into something Different in you know like you said the beginning like you want to elevate your style so to speak That was kind of what i would. I envisioned it has always been a model like rather spend a bit more for something. Bad is a better quality. And you know looks better in slits me in you know Kind of checks all these boxes off in so that was kind of the The parallel but that that card would get the The logo in the actual brand name are are kind of two different things. Okay why did you decide to do tarot reader. I think are again i think i was like kinda grasping for something outside of myself. I think i was looking for some sort of external guidance in if not even guidance is something to give me. You may some sort of clarity or something. Hope for to look to a lot of crazy. Shit had gone down during that time so i was really mentally in this. Sort of gnomes space In in didn't have much to hold onto tom. In so that you know that those sorts of things you know the esoteric and all of those have always been very like. I said personal and important to me because you know there have been many times when me going into that space and you know maybe things. I've read or experience in his always sort of lifted me up in a way Almost like restoring a sense of power to myself in a way so you know me. Doing the reading was just like this. Natural inclination is like okay. Let me have somebody throw some cards from me. Lake i needed I need to get a sub-conscious here like you know which is which is how i view them. Not that there. There's like it's magical mystical force above its controlling these things with more so looking at things like you know tarot cards or pendulums or whatever tools you use it as tools to sort of access the subconscious way people would hold dowsing rods back in the day to find well-water like it was a sort of a subconscious tool so That was that was why when direction. So how did it feel coming out of that. Specific tower reading being delivered that card knowing. That's the card for you. Honestly i you know. Pardon me was was hopeful about it. You know it was like a a a great card on and it was still something that i had to like resurging in look into to really be able to reflect on and you know was a part of me. I was skeptical just like okay. Whatever like you know if anything is you know this is entertaining at the very least A it was. I was half-and-half it was. It was again a weird face. the name itself. If you compare it to other brands say in the men's wear space Very distinct did you have any trepidation about launching the brand under this under this name of course of clouds her. Yeah please please explain. I think i this was a part of that head space like you know. Starting out Wanting you know the the basis of my brand is like everything is very personal to me. everything comes with a story. Everything has some sort of history or relevance to something in my life at some point in time and so you know with this sort of thing being important to me. It's not always something that i put out there especially in the beginning. You know me being in the you know. Like disorders alternative alternative spirituality as terek space all that kind of stuff and i was worried like okay. This is going to seem weird. The people with his offensive is gonna put people off from the you know the the name is kinda long like you know. I've i've gone back and forth on that to like okay just changing something else that guy you know so there there were all these things kind of going in my head where i was also a need to feel like i needed to stand out I needed something to kind of stick out of the crowd. Even though i felt like things are offered things plans to offer would be Of substantial quality or would get to a substantial quality A still needed khanna something alike. Kinda make people be like. Okay marseils here. You know like. I wanted something to stick out so I kind of a rolled with it. But you know in the beginning like the the first year i two years maybe three It was it was something i was careful about. I was like okay. I can't put too much like you know. I can't really think spooky Do anything like this. You know to out there like you know. I'm in the south so very heavy like You know religious followings in that sort of thing here and i even happy will tell me like. Oh that sounds like double the meanest like okay. This is not you know So there was. There was always that in august this kind of wanting to play it safe and that was sort of a recurring theme for me. If you will this playing it safe Wanting to appeal on a broader spectrum. Yeah would you hit on something. So i introduced you and i said where you're where you're from your from richmond and that's what you reside and i'm here in new york obviously in bill to stay that way. Yes but the point. I'm making is. You're part of the bible belt. I've been to richmond. Grab you absolutely. Okay have stayed at the jefferson. Yep and i saw the prince sweet. I'm sure you know what i'm talking about is a suite that is at the jefferson that prince stayed at during the tour. Yes and if i recall correctly from the longtime dive into richmond so please forgive me. I think one of the hallmarks of that hotel. It has like alligators or crocodiles in fountain. Yes yeah yeah okay. Gotcha yeah yeah. Don't tell me. I've been richmond you you you wow okay stayed at the jefferson state at the marriott right off the highway right there. The vcu dome and You know richmond spiders. Vcu hung out in shock. Oh slip cook okay your name and some neighborhoods. Some good places the richmond braves game okay. So yeah you'd some nice it's one of those like a classic yes very classic like decadent sort of southern hotels like you know it. Almost it almost reminds you like home alone. Two and welcome to the plaza hotel and the crimson carpeting and the golden crown molding. And you could still smell the dust. Thomas jefferson the way in the old southern shit. It's movies move and I think they were surprised when i came through the door. Yes i'm sure. I'm sure i'm sure that was there on business and It was quite fun. Excellent so the reason. I'm bringing this up is when you're from new york and i know you worked up here and we're going to talk about that particularly because i called you on new york numbers. I'm like what's that about bro. Hey threaten your genius. I recognize this area. Gay six sherry ago. Was he doing. But my point is all jokes aside. Are you in richmond. Yes i've been there. I know other little bit as a as a tourist right. Never live there. But i know it's part of the bible belt. You mentioned something already about someone referring to your brand being satanic. My my point is what is it like to proselytize bespoke and made to measure neopolitan clothing in the south. It's a battle honestly i. I'll say it's a battle particularly particularly in richmond. i haven't ventured out too much into the south With the brand that. I think that could change obviously As my customer base grows relationships grow. And i can do more things but enrichment. It's kind of like you know you. Have you have pros and cons. You have this pro where you know. There's no one else in the entire state of virginia that does bespoke tailoring except for us. also napolitan tailoring in offering it three sixty five And also you know just as you know for those who don't know when the politician tailoring being so lightweight in unstructured. I even have some jackson just totally made out of fabric. There's no canvases. No nothing you can hold them up in. The breeze blows through it being ideal for this climate. You know you step out of your car like right now. Feels like satan's armpit like when you jump out like the humidity is is insane so it makes sense for us. It makes sense for a lot of people but to make that makes sense to people. Hear his Been you know. I don't want to say an exercising but it's been a lot tougher Especially in richmond will. We aren't necessarily prime yet to sustain luxury things Especially when it comes to clothing you know somebody wanna buy a nice boat or a truck or i'm just naming kind of random. Short like clothing is not a priority for people here at least in terms of classic menswear Obviously we used to have need supply but even they are no longer here Where people kind of exposed to higher end brands and clothing. But there's a you know it's kind of have pockets. And sort of categories. I guess people might assimilate into in the taylor is not one of them. So the style here is more like the Like boxy americaine kinda good old boy. Look like you know. Seersucker certain the bowtie and khaki trousers and a very large Heavily padded like blazer. In this you know that's the the uniform and some people make it a little wacky in you know where pride colors or You know there's there isn't much of a focus on the Craftsmanship of things right for people so You know it's it has been more of a challenge challenge to provide an educational component to what i'm doing and to help people to kind of get it and even showing people things like you know average person. Look at something like okay. I don't know what's the difference between this. Get joseph a. bank so whatever and the with sound crazy but there are people who are like that. Sure i mean that's a legitimate question. Yeah yeah and so you know trying to show people certainly know okay this some hand so this is what a handsome seen looks like. You see the ridge on the top of easy house full. You know like showing people with passion looks like being able to open it up and show the canvas in it and you know the little. They look like little crow's feet kinda going down like you know this is this is how you kind of get this nice lapel roll where you're rolling your over. Unian sewing it in these lines to accentuate the role of it like china. Show those details but I'm probably making this a longer. Explanation was asked but the osma people. Yeah it's it's just a it's a it's a bit of a tougher sell here People just don't spend money you know that much rather invest in things that have to do with clothing. They're more content with you. Know going to whoever their custom clothier kinda guy is Going out and then also like people not know what the spoke is either so you know we. I sometimes get on his soapbox in tom's in it's not lake to make myself sound better or appear like i'm better than something but just more like i hate when people use the to interchangeably kinda. Come this buzzword lately where people will almost like how qatar was for women right you. You'd have businesses. That would call themselves. So-and-so couture joe blow a tour or whatever but they weren't actually courier like you know is a process for actually be doing and producing couture by on the same kind of thing has happened with the bespoke and abused. Oh oh my god is abuse and so you know you'll have people are like. Oh you know Well then they're six or seven eight people here. Do they do respond to you know. Someone's this co-owners. I'm wake you. Know so-and-so bespoke custom colors if they use if they call themselves bespoke custom unclog is whatever ninety nine point nine percent chance they don't even know what the term actually means or you know just looking to exploit kind of the popularity of the time. So you know there's of coincides that and being able to walk people through that process show people pictures a kind of weird people out onto sea like stitches in a garment in. It's like distant looked on was ryan. It's a it's a sausage making. Yes yes so You know i think there. And i don't wanna sound sooner but i think they're. They're they're pros in constant is there. There's absolutely an opportunity to educate people. But you know here in richmond. I think that its. Individuality is still very kind of a rare thing. boulder's kind of a rare Think people still for some reason. I don't know what it is here. Like fun comfort and sort of. It's like i'll wait for this person to try to do it. And then all. I'll do it or you know this hallway for this group of people to start wearing it. There's a lot of that and this is something like. I grew up in the city of richmond software. Like i i. I say that. I didn't grow up in the county. I grew up in this in the city. Proper like robert de leo. My gym shorts richmond virginia so That that was something like growing up. Observe like people being comfortable in groups so doing something different that people haven't heard of before hasn't gained mass popularity yet is still a much harder. Push Being a higher price point like you know there's so many factors that go into like okay. The new york client gets or even the guys in dc. Get it but Here it's a bit of a heart. So i go back and forth some days. I truly hope that you know if anything. I can at least help to get the conversation going to expose people to things that i was exposed to. And i don't know you know. Create some sort of momentum. I'm not necessarily looking to be this hero or sort of like a big big fish here So to speak of doing this. You know wanting to offer something different and Something that i love that. I'm passionate about that. I wanna share with people in dust is kind of my whole a. Have you ever found yourself looking in your closet before an important meeting event get together with friends or maybe even the date and said i don't know what to wear. I don't have the right clothes. Well that may or may not be true. One of the best ways to figure it out is to determine what. I call your fashion foundation. I've put together a free guide so you don't find yourself looking in the mirror. Cursing yourself again. It's called the ten things at every man should have in his wardrobe to sign up just head over to n. y. fasching d dot com forward slash. Ten things the number ten to get it in your inbox today. I would hope that you being a have an inside track. Clearly you are preaching the gospel to individuals who have never heard the word. I'm going to ask you this question. Do you feel that a lot of times. You are not received effectively because you're african american. I knew that was coming. Well i'm black to buddy. Yeah so yeah no. That's what i'm saying. I'm going to ask this question. Yes i knew. I was coming in. Yes the answer is yes. I'm i've because you're an active. You ought life you know hill street. You know those roads. Yeah oh yeah. Because i've had people tell me that i would tell you specifically i've had someone telling me to remove myself from photos while he was black. Remove myself from all photos. Because i would not be perceived as a luxury brand if they saw someone black house like advocate and this is supposed to be like a mentor at the time out on black crime i you know was like what and You know in that and that was that was really toxic. Because i think i already sort of had in the back of my mind like i guess to give an example. It was like you know growing up. Be in an elementary school in our our elementary schools in middle schools are richmond public schools. In general. were you know majority were black and you might have a few children. Were you know white sprinkled in or on other sprinkled in but it was majority black. And you'd have these moments on number a caveman. I'm i think it was like fifth grade. We have like maybe to wikileaks in the whole class. Russell rest black. And i'll teach her You know this is. We have an old school teachers. Like smell like jerry curls and you know in bojangles in a in the classroom old school you know on drug cadillacs stop. Pull the acids to children like you know. cindy and whatever. Can you want you all. Go down to read for second. They pull them out of class and they closed that door and it'd be like What is going on here. You know what what is you know. We're we're having behavior issues with you. All you know you. You need to understand that something. Now we need to understand is those who chosen Like as good as those children are walked out here you are going to have to work five times harder than they are to get to half of you know where typically get in this world you you always have to work hard and you always have to be ten steps Whatever and people could. Maybe in today's world would argue. That was problematic but these are also people who experience ground. Oh yeah a lot of discrimination firsthand discrimination. Seen there my mom my parents on that i have so it's you know it's not this miserable. I think people get. It's like something that's so far removed from us when it's like no this goes down today. It's very contemporary. Yes and so you know that's always in the back of your head that's always drilled into you growing up and so yes you know. There were many times where. I wondered like okay. Would the brand be this much farther along. If you know our some white guy came through winner was like oh this book tailoring and doing all these things like what i've been celebrated more or Been embraced more by people or taking this way. Like it's it's a hard. It's a hard kind of thing you know. Sometimes you have like the gentleman who was like you know. Take yourself down from the pictures or you know people's kind of saying like Underhanded razors things to you like adventure Flake it Experienced at all. And so yes that is always in the back of my mind. But i think got finally just reached the point where i can't i can't control that where people think or perceive of me. I can't control people's You know people wanting to be discriminatory against your whatever you know. Whether it's is my own people are now i. i can't i can't control it. The only thing i can do is present. You know what. I have to put my brain out there to do the best that i know how to do in offer what i feel is the best. And and that's it because people are gonna think what they like. I can't. I can't control that. You know in the short version is yes however absolut absolutely and it's still you know i don't. I'm not sure if that goes away. I don't think i don't think it does. I think i think you're success. Can mitigate it absolutely but this same mentor. I don't know if you still have a relationship with this individual. I don't okay i wonder in. Maybe you know you can help me. Chronologically So i looked at your graham followed your graham but again when i'm doing an interview i went through your whole graham top to bottom aunt. My question is because again. I don't know the chronology of the schism for what did or what would your mentor. Have thought about the post at you. Have you know representing your lifestyle with a white woman as one of the models. I don't know. I honestly don't know i don't know i don't know i'll now. He might've He might have had a problem with it. He might have you know. I'll throw like like. I had some of those editorials out when. Yeah that's what i like. I said you know the timing. Yeah i don't. I don't i don't i mean he never mentioned it to me So i have. No i have no idea. Gotcha i have no idea now. The irony is as we talk about this. You have benefited from the largest of people who don't look like you and i so the aforementioned greg lieu of noman walks alone Eric man me of plaza elmo. And you've gotten a lot of love from the fashion trades yes. Ww d- I wanna talk about the g. q. Thing and depth hopefully before. This conversation ends so hugh you are. It appears the only african american bespoke tailor in richmond. Virginia championing this lifestyle through clothing people. Who don't look like us give you a hard time but but white individuals really have pulled you up to help you out absolutely. So how does that feel. I think it. I mean it feels great if if if feels It feels like this is how it should be. You know like I don't even know if ever looked at those things. Are we talk about as like a black and white thing it was just like maybe i even looked at it more so as a geographic thing that the majority of the love i received was from outside of where i reside these are people in different countries in a lot of mini york and other places. It it's going to happen in new york city. Yeah i guess. I'm i'm grateful to be considered worthy man Yeah it was like. I think it was more of a geographic. Sorta thing for me than it was a racing with a lot of these people. I've develop these relationships with and have been kind enough to you know work with me. Give me advice. You know Form relationships with them. It was more a. I've had this conversation recently house. I guess you know it's still is so weird. Like i get a you know this is just a a sort of a designer creative space sort. The thing was like damn. I feel like. I'm embraced so much more outside of here than in enrichment is like still kinda get looks from people or you know Kinda like underhanded comments in conversations people kinda give you like. Oh you look second rate kind of you know. It's like a lot of that. There's a lot of that Especially compared to like other people who might be doing tailoring or whatever else but they'll look at me like or it'll be one of those things where like you know they'll ask me who's making staff or in which you are aware who makes use scarves tags that's sort of thing but to actually work together as equals It's like the the conversation drops or you don't get a response back or is just like you know is is kind of one of those scenarios so i've just been like you know like it is what it is a hatton in that is not to say that i haven't had support here. I really have. I've had you know. There are several people in places that have supported me here in richmond virginia. But there's been a much larger imprint from places outside of here you know could speculate as to maybe y Those things sometimes it could be like maybe people seem use a threat You know some people maids you may not know what i'm doing is just like okay. Well i don't you know there are a lot of people. Just sell something to sell something if you get what i'm saying it's like on thing in suits because i want to sell to really know much further than that. I don't know how it constructed on. It's just like oh. I just want to custom suits. And that's fine but that's not what i do know sometimes opposite your your erudite. You started from scratch and taught yourself So people need to know that story. We're not going to be able to probably with our time. I already in my head. We may we may have to do a two parter right. i always sell. Guess you're always welcome back. But yeah i mean like. I said i've unbeknownst to you. I followed you probably a year or two years ago launched. Yeah you lost in two thousand and sixteen correct correct. So yeah i. I think i was. I don't know i was either reading. 'em magazine. I don't know what i was reading. And then read the article or might have been an old plaza. Omo okay and you know. I was like. Oh that's cool. That's an you grandfather underground. And like i said clubhouse i constantly big up clubhouse on my newsletter and on my ipod like i said you know greg has that room which actually let him know. I have forgotten to join that room recently. He doesn't set it up ahead of time. Unless you set it up. So i can put it sets them up ahead of time. I can put it in my calendar and get a reminder. Yeah tuesday comes and goes he. Doesn't he only sets it up right then. So oh i forgot but i was fortunate enough that one time that might have been one of the last times because again i just forget like this week i forget the thing til greg to set up a counter but like i said i heard you and i said oh as it. Yeah i want to. I wanna i wanna foul up so use started with the brand because you have to start somewhere and my assumption is when you start with brain you have to start small. Yes you started with pocket squares. So actually i e al even forget this. Sometimes i actually started out with Knitwear i didn't know that yeah i actually started out with I was like working working with wear manufacturer and i was doing these like Short sleeve and long sleeve polos And now was kind of really a started that was sort of like playing around with product development. Our sketch out these collar patterns patterns. I think i had like the. Would you call them at the english. Turn back folks like yeah cocktail. I saw this year. Yeah you're not. Yeah power shirts crazy. Yeah i started with that collar. Yeah and it didn't go anywhere. I couldn't oh really And so very unique. Thank you thank you it. Was you know that was. It was like i was sitting at his kitchen table. Catching these things out and While enduring that. I was like okay. I want to do other things. That i was teaching myself. How to sketch in. Do graphic design on like you know crack version of l. astray to maybe all college computer in learning these things as i was still experiencing like concussion symptoms and all that kind of stuff so i was like what would be the next. Most accessible thing Because we know with the shirts like those are something that i had to do. Custom like i wasn't able to Produce them in batches so to speak in ready where custom so I couldn't do that are just it. Didn't happen and i was like all right. What's the next entry point obviously like accessory. So i'm like okay i wanted to pago says but i want to certain counterparts where i wanna be hand-rolled. I went through that whole process. And then i was like well. I don't want to use like i don't want to circulate patterns right away. People have a million fucking paisley pocket squares or you know Needs and all these other things. I'm like wow. I wanna do that. Like an sows is learning grabbed. His son alone shit. Like i'm gonna do my own thing so i started with Did i did like. I'm dalla pattern and was working with this fabric mill in just had so printed up. I had the so printed openness downing pattern. And i blight on. What is it like a war. Interfacing interlining in thread and I cut out like i literally. Detect carpool cardboard. All over the fucking place. I was cutting out these type patterns. He's necktie patterns then. I had a friend of mine who had like a helical. Laser machine had him like a wind. Got plexiglass me like. Cut me out this type pattern. Like i did the cab design for it into it. Made me stop and always sit at the table in debt. Seen soap that i had printed out i cut out all of the inner linings. I cut out my patterns with oscar. I screwed up a lot of how scared of a lotta good so And i would hour so these ties like our do hand-rolling on the edges. I've been playing around with handling the hand rolling. I do you know the switch down the spine with the With attention lou born always saying making these ties in some came out kind of weird a lot of came kind of weird some of them. Were you know pretty decent and still And that was kind of. I like crack was like doing that. Doing africa had like matt. Consult from somewhere. I was doing these sort of like These tip neckties or made out of mac And i think that's actually that's around. That time is the first time i met gray in. He actually saw some of these ties. Which like some of them were. But it wasn't like it was hit or miss. Yeah it was. It was her domestic. I had a couple of over good in the wrestling. Like there's no way cell this like i. It was yeah. It was ozone But yeah that was. That was what i started with. Manner eventually like printed out the pocket squares. And i did this virginia collection. Y'all yes so you know that was just me like those are kind. Of the first sketches arouses. Like what do i think would sell. Well you know. i'm in richmond. One on how to virginia coach You know so. I did like colonial williamsburg and king neptune virginia beach and richmond skyline. And all that kind of stuff and that was the first first collection so to speak. Nice you and i have to do a two parter again. The doors open to do it because there's so much to talk about. There is so much to talk about. What's the top fashion tip. You would give the everyday man so he can look his best marsa much hop fashion. I think would be Have at least one to two jackets. The fit well especially in the chest in the shoulders That are sort of you know. Standard colors like you for sake versatility In with emphasis on someone you know. Starting their wardrobe or you know just kind of starting to curate in doping starting with the basics and Having things that are a bit more versatile you know on a blazer a suit nice pair of denim pair boots. you know. Pair of like oxford's like You have a pair for our took we do browns like i don't do black shoes any of that kind of stuff. Business story Have things that are basically you know th that are versatile That you can kind of get the most out of If you don't have this extensive wardrobe pairing it with you know different kinds of shirts. If his you have a navy nice navy blazer you through that on the t. shirt as much as you can throw it on with a crisp white shirt or a blue shirt. you know. there's so many things you can do in to kind of. Stretch your wardrobe a bit in. Get the most out of a So i yeah. I would just say kind of starting with with the the basics And i mean that you know like basic colors and the you know you can never go wrong with like wool and In cotonou in particular you know nothing. Too crazy a pattern. There's always a way to flip that stretch it out with you know the shirts or accessories in all these little things can make it look like a totally different outfit the next day. Even if you were the same jacket yesterday give give versatility out of it. Where how things feel on you. How they fit on what color is look best on. You don't don't drown you out and start there and You know don't you don't have to rush it either. I think we part of products start out. Slow understanding yourself understanding what your needs are how your body is you know how would you lifestyle is if you're an active person if you're in a hot place or coal plays if you sitting down a lot like taking all of these things in play to really understand what your your needs are in and kind of going from there until like okay. Well this is what. I like or these are certain things that or this. This works well for me. It's easy instead of getting the weeds and it's like oh well. What are the rules for. We think about the rules are the rules. Were kinda do this. Which i do without like you know technically year you know there are quote unquote rules but like at the end of the day. I think the goal everyone wants to achieve is just look look good job good you know And the rest can come later. And so i don't you know you don't always have to adhere to the rules so to speak. I'm not telling you to go step. Wake you know a pink jacket with like road diesel on the front or something like that. But you know Just start with the basics and understand you understand your body understand your lifestyle and i think the rest of balls in place and the do some do some homework. You know -tracting zao feel them kind of the best experiences the best teacher so I guess that is the advice. I would give make sense. So what does always be fly mean to you all man. I think always be flies like a mind. In a way you know like Always be flied to me is being noticed but not being noticed I've i've always admired the the subtle sort of like climate. You know not not too flashy not too out. There may be a piece piece here near stands out being noda's but not be noticed like you know midi you have to get up close to See certain details or Certain do onces of what someone is wearing and You know have mental is just the confidence you have to. You know you feel comfortable and you're doing in Yes like a mind state you know always always be flying even if even if the you know. The outside doesn't doesn't necessarily feel fly. I think you know the the monsters finally on you know as much as i like to try to keep it real with people like i'll like to present things in it's much more Curated sort of look if you look on instagram. But you know. I'm not always in a in a in a suit or high-rise trousers or whatever like you know i'm sitting here i got a white beat on some old new balance in you know whatever like it's you know it's all a again. I think it's a mind state in you know as long as you know your your abilities are comfortable in that you know the rest the rest of comes together but you always be fly absolutely. Marcel aims exit excesses representing richmond. Va two up two down. Now you know so. I think the biggest thing i learned was your good talent. Passionate skill doesn't matter where you're not questioning the city of rich. The birthing this brand branded g women's wear daily s only will tell in the meanwhile ten of excellent dot com. Pick yourself up at his sensory or learning. Thank you so much for listening. We hope you had fun and down for nothing please. So afraid who could use a fashion. How 'bout the park sharing episode. You enjoy the show. 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Replay of My Conversation with Judge Steve Leifman and Norm Ornstein

The Al Franken Podcast

40:35 min | 5 months ago

Replay of My Conversation with Judge Steve Leifman and Norm Ornstein

"Hey everybody This is a repeat for a change. It's my conversation with norm. Ornstein and judge steve life mun of miami dade county. I'm putting up as sort of a companion piece to my youtube video this week. On crisis intervention training crisis intervention or cit is a training for police to recognize when they are confronting a situation that is energize by a mental health disorder sometimes drug addiction. Which is of course a mental health disorder and I was a champion of this In the santa got federal funding for it. What really brought this to mind again was the george floyd Trial the chauvin trial really. That's situation with so just so badly handles so wrong. They instead of de escalating that situation Which if they had training maybe they got some training but clearly you also need some empathy to and in miami dade they give a some crisis intervention training or at least that information to every cop put what they do is they the ones the cops that are are empathetic. Naturally they become part of crisis intervention teams and police who confront a situation. You may not know how to handle it. That's what they do. Is they call crisis. Intervention teams and the crisis intervention teams. Know how to de escalate who bring down the temperature and this saves lives. This saves wise. I met judge life. Men through norm norm ornstein. I think those of you who listen to this podcast. A lot no norm. he's the renowned political scientists and. that's what we normally talk about An expert on on congress He also he and his wife. Judy had become very very involved in mental health Spend a lot of their their time and energy and resources addressing mental health issues in part of the reason for that is their son. Matthew who i Love and new for. What's his bar mitzvah. Brilliant brilliant kid Graduated princeton hilarious. Very funny. very sweet. Very loving guy At a certain age Just developed a mental illness and eventually he died not a not a suicide of it was an accident that came out of of of his disease and So norman judy have really introduced me to a people. One of them is judge life. Men who i did. I believe matt when i was fighting for crisis intervention training what they do In miami is is pretty amazing. The results have been pretty amazing in terms of first of all. Just the lives saved the people that were not killed but also the people who have Some mental illness and set of putting someone who has a mental health disorders instead of throwing them in jail or ch- does nobody any good getting them treatment getting treatment and getting a job and housing and this has saved lives in many ways. And it's also saved the city of miami and miami dade a lot of money a lot of money and the taxpayers money. So i just would like it to listen to this and you know their solutions to problems This this to me seems like they're on the right on the right track here and i love you take a list. Hey everybody this is an ad for head space meditation and fully appreciate this ad. You need the pause. The podcast and find some meditation music and put it on now. No no but that make tense out now. Wow i gotta pause this thing and find a meditation music or did you think. Hey what a jerk saying. I gotta stop everything and find some new age meditation music jerk. Okay if either of those your response you need to start meditating. Well i've tried meditating before al and it didn't work okay. okay. I've i've said that i've said that and i'm telling you you should try head space because it works at the tell you. I've made a few attempts before head space and this works. It has all different kinds of meditations to meet your own. Specific needs needs to reduce stress. Well only all do but why. 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That's head space dot com slash franken or free one-month trial with access to head space full library of meditations for every situation. This is the best deal offered right now. Head to head space dot com slash franken today. Judge steve life in your county judge in in miami dade county right correct and you have started this program. You started twenty years ago right. It's basically a program where you take people who are mentally ill who've been arrested and putting them in jail which now i guess is pretty much where we put most of our. Our people who are who have mental illness is that right. That's correct about forty percent of all people with mental illnesses. At some point will come into contact with the criminal justice system last year. There were about two million arrest involving people with serious illnesses. And instead of that you you have this jail diversion program is that that's kind of what you call him right. Yup and it and it's both pre and post so we've also done a lot of training of our law enforcement to educate them about these illnesses so they actually stopped making the arrest up front as well and that's crisis intervention training. That's correct okay. I think as norm knows. And as you might i might have told you I've been a big champion of crisis intervention training. So why don't you explain. Judge what what that is sure. It's a forty hour training program where we teach law enforcement officers to identify. People with mental illnesses had a de escalate the situation so no a deadly forces needed and then we're to take someone as opposed to arresting them and for us. We have thirty six police departments. So we've been able to train all thirty. Six departments wave over seventy five hundred officers now trained and what we had not anticipated was the level of ptsd among law enforcement officers now a this crisis intervention training teaches. A police recognize They're in a situation that involves mental illness But it The crisis intervention training has also reveal that a lot of them. A lot of police have a mental health difficulties themselves. You know last year sadly more law enforcement officers died from suicide than in the line of duty. I'm you'll returning vets with ptsd. You have officers that get. Ptsd on the job. It's a physiological reaction. And they get what we call an overdose a cortisone and it just makes their life miserable in a lot of symptoms from it and they're in a profession that really does not encourage treatment and so we've actually set up a treatment program for them outside the department which has helped tremendously also made them incredibly empathetic to what we're doing and they've really for. The most part have stopped arresting people in my community with a serious mental illness. So what your program is to take people who very often or on the street and they get into a situation where policemen normally would arrest them and said arrest them. Bring them in to see a judge. And you put them in a program if they want to That's a year long program and and you get him medication and you get him everything. I mean what we realize which was interesting that for Individuals by the time they do get an up getting arrested with a serious mental. They often suffer from serious depression on top of their serious mental illness because the system is really being the heck out of him and so we do everything they need for recovery. We assign them appear. We get them transportation. Get them close. We get them food. We get the medication you give them educational opportunities. We do this for both All of our misdemeanor charges and for non violent felony charges. And so if it's a misdemeanor. I'm it's usually about six months and we'll drop the charges but we will continue to work with them for up to a year and for the felony population on. They're usually in the program for a year and upon successful completion. We dropped the charges as well so you get them treatment and Jobs and housing. So let's talk about housing and what we're going through now. I cannot imagine what it's like for homeless people. And i know. A high percentage of homeless people do have some mental health issues. What it must be like for them now in terms of exposure to the virus and what that looks like for even people going homeless shelters. I don't know how you create any kind of social distancing homeless shelter. It is a very serious and difficult challenge in its on all kinds of levels because not only are doctors at the hospitals having difficulties getting protective equipment the frontline folks at a mental health facility getting none and so we're having a real problem with staff even showing up to our providers and in the facilities. We've had a couple situations already where someone has tested. Positive there florida psychotic not self quarantining themselves than we've had a put some protocols in place to try to get them treated and hospitalized if needed but the only good thing i can say is because we are so coordinated here that we have steps that we can take and special officers that we can call in the hospital in advance so that we prepare everybody as we knew someone through it. But you're right. It's very difficult for everybody. Involved particularly those suffering with these illnesses and You're diverting them from jail. What is it like in jail. What is it like in prison. Now we actually released a lot of extra people over the last few weeks to try to keep them out particularly those that might have health issues. I'm in a lot of this population. Unfortunately as diabetes sometimes from the medication so we really did our best to release people on are doing our best. I've an amazing staff and that's why this is so successful and they are keeping in touch with them on a daily basis and then reporting and then we're working on some hearings With the cord either virtually or we have one here in a day at the courthouse that we can report and if we need to intervene at some point. We're trying to do that but it's very hard so you've been doing this for twenty years. Is there a common origin story. There is You know as a judge twenty years ago. We had no training in this area. I actually had a case where the defendant turned out to be a harvard educated psychiatrist. Who had a late onset of schizophrenia. And he didn't show up to work one day and it turned out. He had cashed in his life insurance policy. He was having religious highway ations and he decided he need to to get israel so he jumped on a plane and flew to israel within a few weeks. The israelis deported him back to miami because he was running around naked in the orthodox sections of jerusalem and he was at risk and he returned to. Miami is a homeless man and he ended up in my courtroom honor. Nothing you know county ordinance violation and he ended up having a full blown psychotic episode. Because i wasn't training we didn't have anything in place and the situation really for me was kind of a window into everything that was wrong with our system. And whether you're judge or any type of professional you never wanna be in a situation where you're contributing to the problem and as a result of this case We put together a summit twenty years ago. We brought all the stakeholders to a two day meeting and we decided that we were the problem. Not the people with the we needed to change what we're doing and so we began this amazing journey where we decided we needed to structurally change the entire system and each year. We've made it a little bit better and a little bit more comprehensive and we're at the point now where we're halfway done building. The first of its kind mental health diversion facility that will be for the most acutely ill that we haven't been able to help enough that we can have a one stop shop where we can offer them the services they need and you were able to pay for that with the savings of not putting people in jail. Who don't need to be in jail if you do the right. Thank you not only improve public. Say you save a ton of money hang on. Let me write that down. Otherwise i'll forget assure shoot and Do the right thing and what you will improve your public. Safety will save a ton of money and help people get into recovery. It's not rocket science. And you're saying it's win win win this thing amazing Yes it is a win win. Situation you know what i gotta. I gotta go to norm now. Because i trust norm norm. Our family is your friends with your family and you. This has touched you with matthew Who are family loved. Brilliant brilliant and hilarious by the way then kind sweet and had us had a break in his twenties right. Yeah exactly so. And matthew was a brilliant young man. He was a national champion. High school debater went to princeton was out in hollywood and having some success in at twenty four at a psychotic break believed that god had comfort him You know steve talked about The religious ita shin which is a common thing in these kinds of psychotic illnesses. Thought god had come from him and had taken his soul but not his body. He didn't know why and he had to find a way to get his soul. Back and part of his illness was what's called Which is a part of the brain disease. Hit say very substantial share of those with a serious illness like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Where you have no insight into your own illness and if you're over eighteen and you don't think you're ill and you think the people including your loved ones who were trying to get you help or taking you in a direction. That would be shattering others. Nothing that can be done in a broken system after ten years of horrible pain and struggle for him and for us and for all the people who were close to him including you and your family and your daughter thomason in matthew were particularly close. He died accidentally in a motel room. of carbon monoxide poisoning driven by the Lack of insight that he had into his own behavior and illness and we created this foundation. The matthew here's steam memorial foundation to try and do something that would be the phrase. The joe biden has used Trying to turn your horrible tragedy Into something good. Yeah you have really dedicated yourself and in fact matthew jorn seen foundation is the finance and produced the film the film. That were That's gonna be on. Pbs on april fourteenth. Check your local listings for the definition of insanity and I watched this filmon Was one heartened in many ways but also in tears tears very often just being moved by the great stuff you do and justin justin volpi. Who is someone who went through your program and is now. That's that's what he does. He wh what do you call is a peer specialist than he is a remarkable young man. My goodness this guy with a very serious mental illness. A co occurring disorder was a real mess when we got to him but because he was young and had not been sick for a lotta years he cognitively was still well and we were able to get him really turned around. I performed his wedding. He's married he is a kid. He works full time for us. He owns a house and he was in kinda shape. You just could not imagine that people you see on the street that we walk past every day Discarding them like they don't matter in when you see someone like justin comeback in contribute and have a life is the most inspiring thing and i'll solitaire's succeed and others like him. He's kind of for people watch this. He's kind of like the greatest person you've ever met. I think so cool. He's sharp insight. Now the point is this is a program in which you took somebody who was mentally. Ill arrested alcoholic. Drug addict complete mass. And he's become baby. The greatest person in the world. I agree i would say and so you know. First of all norm. You know the takes a lot to get me to cry right. I will say when. I performed the ceremony for al's daughter's wedding. I said that the over under on how long it would take him to cry. When he got up was three seconds. I was part of the ceremony that you conducted and I think the over under was three words and it was and it was under two words. I started crying. That's just the way i've always been. And i'm not ashamed of it. This is a beautiful beautiful movie. And look we have so many people in this country who are vulnerable and right now especially. I think. I hope that during this time this horrible horrible time that we're gonna come out the other side of it understanding what's important in life and what's important in life is our families and what's important in life is the way you treat Fell man we've seen unbelievable courage. Unbelievable compassion during this. I'm hoping i'm not betting. I'm hoping that as a nation we emerged from this better in the way that you quoted former vice president biden and i know that i mean obviously he has suffered Losses tremendous losses. I know too that when matthew when matthew pass he called you and spoke to you a great biden. is an amazingly empathetic man. Who suffered more than anybody should And he called when he was vice. President This was january. Two thousand fifteen and spent an hour on the phone with me with judy. My wife and mother with danny a matthews brother followed up with a handwritten letter in many ways. The quality that makes biden standout from so many others That there is a genuine empathy for people who suffered tragedies of any sort. I think sadly we're also going to see a huge uptick in serious mental illness. After the pandemic for two reasons one is if you look at research from the nineteen eighteen pandemic there was a huge spike in. Ptsd as a result of all the trauma people are going through. And then if you look at some of the interesting research after every viral in flu epidemic in the us. There's usually a spike in schizophrenia. One of the theories is that Viruses may contribute to the triggering of schizophrenia. And so with the number of people getting affected we actually may see a major increase. Okay okay stop saab. I really more compassionate. Not more depressed. Okay but the point. Is we better start. Jesus judge about developing better systems of care. Or we're going to overwhelm our system. Now hamas people come through this while yes and i've heard trump said the same thing. Sorry sorry the pandemic itself Hits the most vulnerable among us harder than almost anybody else and that includes the homeless population in the prison population. Which can't Practice social distancing and if you combine that with a large numbers who have a mental illness to begin with. We have a big big problem That we need to do something about immediately. We're going to have this additional Surge in cases of people with serious mental illness. I think it's maybe the virus it may also be a so much of this can be triggered by stress and there's going to be a lot of stress a out there if you think about younger people you know where the the danger is. Greatest among those of between seventeen and twenty five when the prefrontal cortex of the brain is just developing all of those who don't know whether their college careers are going to be affected who missed out on major events of who have to worry about jobs and then of course just who lose their jobs or who are going to have other kinds of mental illness. And if we're not prepared to deal with it. And that means an infusion of resources and i hope expansion of programs like judge lifelines The society is going to suffer even more of a ripple effect here. That's going to be tough. I think it's more important to give a hundred. And seventy billion dollar tax break to people in the real estate business who well the cruise lines. Especially yeah you are. Families took a cruise together sibley liked it. Okay let's not not the cruise industry. They took a hit there. But also i mean. I am interested also in the domestic violence and there has been an uptick in that we are seeing that i covered what we call bond hearings days ago when we had almost three times the number of cases you know there's there's going to be a lot of needs. Let's talk a little bit about crisis intervention training which is training police To recognize What looks like when they're encountering a situation that is fueled by mental illness. I was a champion of this. I got funding for this. I passed legislation to fund it. It's been around for a while. I i was renewing a program that was underfunded and i went around minnesota to find out about crisis intervention training and i went to columbia heights a suburb of the twin cities and They had all had crisis intervention training. I went to the sheriff's office and ask them how crisis intervention training had help them. And the sheriff couldn't be there that that he was at something else but the his the county attorney said that. Oh well the sheriff wanted to say that the day after he took it. He didn't kill a guy he would've killed so i said okay. Can i get them more. Garden variety instance here and so a policewoman. said okay Well a couple months ago. I was out on the street and I i heard a woman screaming. And i thought it must be a domestic dispute or something and i went to see and she was alone and i approached her and she went and started hanging from a railing over this drop to a playground where she probably wouldn't have died but she would have gotten very badly hurt and because my training i was able to talk her off the railing and back and i asked her what what had happened and she said she'd been sexually abused when she was young. And the abuser had left town and now it come back the town the cops said i think i know where you help and she connected where the local mental health services and she said then like a couple days ago i was working a street fair and this woman came up to me and said you saved my life so garden variety. That's the garden variety story. And she said well you know. I probably i may never holster my gun as a cop but i use this all the time. When you're trying to be a law enforcement officer you were taught that if someone becomes aggressive the best way to control. The situation is to become more aggressive. Well that may work fine in some cases but if the person has a serious mental illness they're paranoid by definition you're increased is going to turn the situation into a terrible outcome and just by talking to people and we teach them how and what words and the distance and the eye contact makes all the difference in the world. And it's you're right. It's a program that started several years ago in memphis by sergent. Cochran has now major cochran. And there's now an international organization cit international that trains law enforcement officers in all over the country and in jail than it really makes. A huge difference are shootings went from two a month when we started to about five or six in the last eight or nine years and keep allotted data and you can see the number of police injuries versus no arrest. And we can see that. You're now the cool cop in miami dade if you get hit or pushed by somebody with mental illness in don't make the arrest. You're kind of the wimp if you pay can arrest of somebody with mental illness and the whole culture's changed north and they understand it and they feel better. Look i wanna get into all race issue. And sometimes that's a contributing factor. But i think police officers p. t. s. d. is part of the biggest reason that they often shoot because they get scared and so by teaching them the skills in giving them some insight into their own issues that may be going on its head a wonderful impact on their own lives and the way that they're operating as a police officer the most stunning statistic in many ways. I the shooting one is an amazing one. But steve's program has been able to cut the number of arrests in half and as a consequence because if they don't shoot somebody they might take them or simply hallman for resisting arrest. He's been able to close a county jail. One of the three in the county and saved the county and tax payers twelve million dollars a year now. Six years seven is it's seven years. Eighty four million dollars in savings not to mention the incredible savings from the wrongful death Or you know. Wrongful assault suits brought against the county. And if you close a jail now having one fewer jail in so many fewer people in jail means that miami dade is going to have fewer people in prisons including the guards and others who will contract the corona virus. Yeah i mean it made it a lot easier for us to you. Know we went from about seven thousand daily. Jail ought to about four thousand. I mean it was a lot easier to do what we're dealing with this crisis with a lower population but out of like ninety two thousand mental health calls on our police that we track only did one hundred only made one hundred fifty to arrest the number of arrests in dade went from about one hundred eighteen thousand a year when we started to fifty three thousand this year. It really is remarkable. Is interesting. Because when i was getting the funding renewed funding for this and i had to fight with republicans who were well. That's you know. I don't know that. Three hundred million dollars. That's a lot of money you know it's like Okay i'm gonna put a hold on it. I'm gonna make sure this doesn't pass unless we cut it down to two hundred million. Former mayor of miami manny diaz came to me one point said yes steve. I went to new york to get our bond rating reviewed and this woman that middle of great expansion downtown for three hours told him how great our economic expansion was nieces. After three hours the bond reviewers had one question. How did you get your police shootings down so significantly. They were spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year on lawsuits. Every time there was a shooting so they actually got their bond. Rain improves save the taxpayers. Another god only knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars by better rates by doing again the right thing and and so it. Just just keep doing the right thing for the right reason in this project. You're gonna stay amazing okay. Guy is all right. If that's your story. Stick with it. I guess sticking with it. Yeah but you know it's it's also important to note that You know it's partly just the resistance of anti-government people to spending money on anything. Even if the spending is going to result in savings the other end there's a challenge. Just getting people out of the usual ways which they do business one of the miraculous things that's happened and it's just in part because of the dynamism of judge. Life man of prosecutors are geared up to prosecute and if you're an elected prosecutor know the number of trophies you have on the wall for arrests you mate is a big indicator. You're a defense attorney. You want to get somebody off. And you know. Steve was talking about that first case that he had with this young man was the harvard educated psychiatrist he had to let this young man go because the defense lawyer pointed out that he had no power to this person into a long term program. I will bet you. That lawyer was exultant. She won but she won freedom for somebody who's disappeared and almost twenty years later. We have no idea if they're dead or alive but he's been able to the prosecutors and the defenders together in common purpose and the other judges to go along and see a part of their role as redemption of for individuals who come in and see the people coming before them as human beings in a way that isn't necessarily natural but to get others to move from their normal behaviors to get people who allocate the money elected officials. Who know that. They're going to have to take the money out of one pot and put it into another and the ultimate savings will come but they may not get credit for that and they're going to get the onus of having used taxpayer money. Miraculous is this program is. It's going to be a dogfight to get adopted in a lot of other places you know watching the lawyers watching individual comeback in recovery is just fascinating because they get a much greater sense going off norms talking about you know. They think they win when they win their case but they win at a much greater level when they see somebody get healthy again and it reinforces why we do this every time someone comes back to us. That's in a much healthier state and and you just know that you know they're just people who happen to be ill and and there's just no reason that a criminal justice system should have to be doing this when we should be doing this in a civil system and helping people get their lives back to my listeners if you are little sick of You know watching from maybe. Maybe you're not but this is actually a feel-good movie The definition of insanity. This is Not a lot of laughs. Shall i say. But i really was moved by it and move by the work. You do Judge and I have been moved by the dedication. Norm that you have put into your work on on mental health and You know the urban debate league is stunning. What you've done there. Because matthew was a champion debater and he started this urban debate league here in In dc and the see these kids the first kid who won that these are very you know At risk i hate that term. Actually i don't like at risk. what do you what. What's what's a better term. Therefore one school which means that they don't have the resources to be able to get ahead in life that others do and so i've gone to the debate camp and it's these kids discovering debate. Love the bait and the kid who won the first year and up going harvard. Yeah he's Actually he's now he's still up there. They have them sheltered of the universities. Actually done a very good job with People who didn't have an easy way to get back home. But this is a remarkable young man named jonathan collins from a working class. Family and prince george's county maryland. Who's been able to really see the natural talents. That he had in the drive that he had channeled away. That would not have occurred. Otherwise because of debate in the life skills that you learn and you know that has been extraordinarily. Gratifying thing When we do it we were gonna do three weeks this year. We'll have to see whether we have to do a virtual debate camp with over two hundred kids from fifth grade through high school and every year at the end we do a tournament in an award ceremony and we got five or six hundred people families come with a siblings with parents grandparents So proud of what these kids have accomplished. And i say that you know i really do believe. Equal opportunity is a bedrock of a free society. but it's not equal when some people start twenty five yards ahead of the starting blocks and other twenty five yards behind. Okay okay okay. Stop with the proselytizing. All i say to you guys get a job. Okay thank you guys Honor knowing you both thanks for giving us the attention it needs. It's really appreciate it. Yeah thank you for for your work and thank you norm thanks again.

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186. Little Women In The Lighthouse - A Summer Fairytale...

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186. Little Women In The Lighthouse - A Summer Fairytale...

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035. Jason Bourne (2016)

SpyHards Podcast

1:38:34 hr | 5 months ago

035. Jason Bourne (2016)

"However add welcome to spy hearts phocas where your hosts go deep undercover into the wealth of spy movies to decipher. Which films make the noc list but remember this information. It's strictly for your is only. I'm agent scott. And i'm ken the provocateur. We have two very very very very special guests joining us this week. One could say they were born to do this episode off. Follow that really. I guess it's i guess. It's the chick pod orborne karen say. Hello hello that was so good. I it does a good dad. Joe mike god. I'm gonna check out for the rest of the episode now. He's done he's done. He nailed it to be fair. Cam i really. I really am i. I do feel that way. Because i have loved the born franchise through thick and thin since i was a a young a young teenager. I knew all of that. When i was painting that amazing opening yes. Well you know. Let's let's talk about it so we've been on your podcast Took about who framed. Roger rabbit which crap Everyone should go check it out But we've had you had you in mind to come and do a film for a while now so take us take us back your connection to jason bowen. Well i guess. I guess i'll start I think i saw the bourne identity. a few years after came out and I think supremacy was already out And i just remember. Because i wasn't that was like the movie that got me into action movies like i. There weren't a lot of big action movies that i had seen at that point and that was such a it was a different kind of action movie or spy movie and so i just i remember just being struck by like how intense it was and how almost not believable but the action was more believable. He's a very different kind of spy. Hero he's not you know. I think you've talked about this on your episodes of the other films but He is not the the big gadget guy. I'm going to grab a pen and and do some damage And then when ultimatum came out. I remember my parents. Got it for me for my birthday on. Dvd back when we consumed media Hard copies And i i just remember like be like man. It's so i mean you know looking back. I've watched ultimatum before we watching a before watching this one Just to kind of catch myself up. Because i hadn't seen in a long time but I just remember being just the the action style in the camera style. Especially in the green grass films It just is so different. And unlike anything i'd ever seen before And i just remember how obsessed i was with. I actually read A couple of the books as well But not not the robert ludlum books because they are some long dusty tomes but i i read the Some of the novels that his friend wrote after his after robert ludlum passed away and they're actually the earlier ones are pretty good. I haven't read. There's a ton of now is looking at up last night. But i i read the first two and they're pretty good well. I'm curious and for those traffic right. Who sued that was. Karen talkin there. Oh yeah you said. You watched the ultimatum before watching the film. We're gonna tackle today. What about legacy. So i actually have not watched legacy. And i'll tell you why i know i know. Yeah when one is because There is an actual book called the bourne legacy which i think you referenced in the episode The guy stood about it but it has nothing to do with that movie. And i read that book and i really liked it and so when i saw the trailer anti also just have a real dislike for jeremy renner. I do not like him. I don't like him as an actor. I don't like him as a person. I think you could cut him out of the entire. Mcu and it would not suffer. Like i just. I've publicly stating this. I do not. I try not to make strong statements. But i dislike him. So you're saying you won't be watching the spinoff tv shows what you're saying. I'd probably not however after listening to your episode about Legacy and rewatching the trailer. I was like it might be worth a watch. Just to Just i mean it has a good cast. It does seem. I mean our finney re is like it's yeah and joan allen is in it which i was super sad that she wasn't in this film because she's one of my favorite characters but Anyway i may go back and watch it. But i guess i did say through thick and thin. I guess that was the thin. And i was not there for but again i just really don't i go further into it but i won't. She's got like an avid hatred. Like it's the funniest. If anyone has questions as to why feel free to hit all defend myself dot podcast on why you hate. Jeremy renner fair enough. What about you. Aubrey. what's your background with. The jason bourne franchise. This is gonna be a lot shorter. Remember watching the first two. You vaguely with my dad. Because he's like obsessed with like the books and always was watching action movie. So whenever like i would watch an action movie. It was usually like because i was just chilling with my dad. But i had no recollection at all watching this movie. What's happening. Who's that jason bourne. He's got a different Like we had. I had a we had a zoom sash and we did like amazon watch party and i did record it. So there's maybe some clips that come out at some point but We had to stop the movie and be like okay to recap He didn't even stop it in the middle. Like you stopped it because you know the movies always start with those famous flashbacks. That are like the you know. The batmans parents getting robbed of the board movies. Essentially will you commit to this program. And she was like. I don't understand what's happening. And i was like okay. But i love. Shirtless matt damon. So i was game. It was a good movie. I liked it. I was down. We will get to. Shirtless matt damon. Worry all over again. That that whole instance still haunts me that image of him but but okay. Well i guess that pivots is quite welcome. What are we doing this week. We are taking on twenty six sixteen. Jason born the fifth entry in the franchise the fourth with matt damon and greengrass. Also returning for this one as nice. Now i found. I hadn't seen this. Basically i thought i had seen it but turns out. I had not seen it. This was my time watching it. What about if itself. Karen had using before what she for. This i actually i actually hadn't I like vaguely remembered that it came out But two thousand sixteen was such a weird time for me i just. I don't think i was really i was i was in a weird place So i did not see this when it came out and then i just kind of forgot about it until you asked us to be on the and i was like. Oh yeah now. Actually has matt damon and i really liked it goldstar. How'd you seen it before watching it for this over. No never not at all. I think cam is anyone who has some prion millages filmon. Yeah i did. See it in theaters as i recall. I winked to load. Which tells me that i guess at the time friends of mine weren't interested in seeing it and i remember coming out. You think there would have been a lot of hoopla because it was the return of matt damon in politics rice but the movie kind of felt like it didn't have that much of a fanfare when it opened in the reviews were very mediocre and so it just kind of was there. And i remember going and i as i've said in the past when i would check out born movies. I didn't really watch them. So i would be tuning in every handful of years to see newborn movie but my memories of what had happened in. The previous films was very vague. So i remember watching this one being very aware that you know obviously pam landy. Isn't there and some of the key characters who'd popped up in the previous ones. But i didn't really make that much of an effort to connect it piece by piece to the previous films but i just remember. We're kind of walking out shoulder struggling going okay. I guess. I don't think if it were crying out for this. I think they were though. I think the return of matt damon to the character was something people did want. I just don't think maybe must have been a marketing thing because you know we'll talk about the box office in a bit but bad movies. Make lots of money all the time. And i mean who doesn't love julia stiles come on. Who there you go. yeah. Julia stiles coming back. Yeah i mean. I think it was just like what they were. Marketing didn't excite people that much. It has to be that well all right. We'll get into it but let's Let's talk about the synopsis. It might be one of my favorites. Okay jason bourne. You know his name the most dangerous fulmer operative of the cia is drawn out of hiding to uncover hidden troops about his past. Is that the. Is that all of the board every born. I think i think there's about as many words in that synopsis as dialogue in matt damon script dude. Right i was like I just why are we talking to this weird little girl in the fbi. Come on go back. What's what's jason up to i. Yeah that's i like that. The tagline for this was you know his name and it's like yeah like real. I know it we we all do is written above. It is written. We literally right. There wasn't a little shameless. Giving that as a tagline when you had casino royale with the theme song you know my name shots fine and you think about it. And the bond franchise was reinvented largely because of that jason bourne popularity and now it feels like the snake is eating. Its own tail. You're so right that's true though. It sounds like we've got some interesting thoughts on the film. But i wonder how we got from the bourne legacy to jason bowen Cow okay yeah so you know the legacy film comes out in two thousand twelve and does you know modestly. Well it's not a big hit. But it does. I guess well enough that universal thought. Let's move forward with a sequel and so in twenty thirteen. They brought on fast and furious director. Justin lin to helm a sequel featuring aaron cross and that movie was going to come out around august twenty fifty and they figured it had a story concocted by anthony peckham who'd written sherlock holmes and invictus somewhere along. Yeah they actually had some talent attached to this movie. It wasn't like kinda just phoning in. Actually it's an interesting people. Attached and somewhere along the line matt damon and editor christopher rouse. Who'd worked on all the other Born films somehow got enthusiastic about doing it. I'm sure that universal was talking to matt damon. Matt damon's a producer on this film. So at a certain point it was decided. You know what. Like maybe we can get the actual the rio guys back in the saddle to do another movie so matt damon and christopher rouse convinced. Paul greengrass return now. Paul greengrass at this point had done Captain phillips which had gotten a lot of claim. But what excited him about coming back was being able to tackle the modern world because he thought the previous films were very much that post nine eleven sort of atmosphere. What could he do now in. A world of social media and government surveillance As a lot in this film actually it's very prominent very prominent so green grass court the script with christopher rouse. This is christopher roses only writing credit. He's normally just an editor did ultimatum and supremacy heated captain phillips united. Ninety three. you'll also did hubs and shaw. So he's a very prominent editor. Yeah arm did. He win some awards for his editing in ultimatum. Did you say ultimatum. He won the oscar for best editing. That's what i thought. Oh what about so. There was a funny interview where they asked matt damon what he thought of the bourne legacy and matt damon has kind of Slag tony gilroy script for Ultimatum i had had a change of attitude. His response was i think. In retrospect i understand clearly why everyone did what everyone did. Very political satirist best. Non-answer answer. I think you could come up. So i guess david didn't want to be quoted in like every publication relating to show business that week right after that fiasco him trashing the original ultimate so the production actually seems a lot smoother than previous born films where they were really nightmare productions and a lot of movies being pieced together in the editing room. This one seems like it was a pretty clear cut Project i think you know greengrass game and work well together. Christopher rouse is obviously in there in terms of damons effort on the film. We'll talk about the fight scene that opens the film but matt damon had to go through three hour workouts every day for ten weeks before the shooting the fill it yeah and the fight scene was filmed i because of this that makes a lot of sense they were like. Oh god we gotta keep him as as possible. They also realized early on that. If the story took the direction they were taking it matt damon would not be talking very much and that actually really excited matt damon. He was really enthused about making a film that was much more based on a physical performance than anything based dialogue so we can comment on whether that worked for us but that was something that actually did very much appeal to matt damon. I feel like he wants to be more. Like tommy lee jones in a sense of i want to be filmed but talk as little as possible and just get the paycheck. I was waiting for him. I just wanted to hear. Tommy lee jones scream at someone. Like that's all i go to tommy lee jones movies for us to hear him yelled and he didn't yell once no he was more like rumbled down. Beat this time yeah. It was interesting. I really did not do a lot of research on it before watching it. I did all my research. After the fact just so i could sorta be surprised But he he came on. Tommy lee jones came onscreen and really freaked. She was like. I don't know any of the character names. That's any spare argue through. It sept jason bourne. You know his name. When it came to the casting. Militia backhander was a real for them. This was her first major film. After winning the oscar for the danish girl for supporting actress that had been on a hot streak. She done x. In man from uncle. Obviously the danish girl so this was very much kind of continuing that heat stroke she had. Interestingly viggo mortensen was in talks to play the asset who'd be hunting born yet at some point. Yeah at some point that just kind of fell out. And we got vincent cassel and we'll talk about him later. I thought that was really interesting vigo mortenson not an actor i would have thought they would have approached for that role. That is a really. Yeah i would not of picked. I would not have chosen him. I could sort of see it. Only because the other assets in the other movies have been like they've all. I mean with the exclusion of dash but the the clive owen character. In the karl urban character legat it makes sense because he is sort of in that category of like very famous actors that maybe are as popular in like american movie while i mean lord of the rings but Like i could see it. I think it. I feel like he's in the same category as like clio in karl urban for me. For some reason you supposed to give a distinct much like vincent cassel's Located like a generic wipe dude. The some things have that that look it also shows me though that right from day one they wanted a older asset versus like the younger ones eight had in previous films. Which makes sense. Because i mean you know. It's ten years after. Ultimatum came out. It makes sense that the asset would be. You wouldn't want like some young twenty something dude chasing fifty-year-old matt damon around. I don't know what worth they both have their shirts off. I mean i'll allow it allow it. What if it's bob hoskins. I will double it back from the grave again. Check out our who framed roger rabbit episode very fun episode fun so the box office for that year. This movie made one hundred and sixty two million domestic two hundred and fifty three international for a total of four fifteen worldwide in comparison Had done four forty four so this was a downgrade but on the flip side legacy had done two hundred seventy six supremacy to ninety-one and internet and identity fourteen. So this one was success. Toy just didn't quite beat. What ultimatum in ultimatum and a lot more fanfare obviously built around it. After i i do feel like it might have suffered a little bit from the We're gonna tell almost the same story i mean. We can get into that later but i. I was getting a lot of flashbacks all the other born. I think there's also the trouble is being the legacy of born legacy yongbyon you. Jeremy renner not many people also questioned. But some do i definitely do not this mother and maybe maybe people felt tricked by legacy like i'm sure people went to legacy and walked going like. Oh that wasn't a jason born at all. So i don't wanna get too much about legacy because that's not the movie that we're talking about. But i if anyone like me had read the book the bourne legacy which essentially is him going back and being david webb and being a college professor and then getting called back into the field i would have been extremely disappointed to find out that i mean i was actually. That's why i didn't see it to find out that it was not about. That was not based on the book at all right. So yeah so jason. Born landed at number nineteen for the year. The worldwide box office between warcraft and ice age collision course. Oh my god my favorite tell. Yeah so the top three for that year number. One was captain. America's civil war number two was rogue one number three was finding dory now. It is notable that this movie opens summer twenty sixteen. And you know when you list finding dory or captain america those are obviously huge hits but this summer actually had a lot of underperformers and just some straight up bombs like this was the summer of the ghostbusters reboot x men apocalypse. Ninja turtles to star trek beyond. Which in lane who is going to direct the born follow ended up doing good movie but not that successful really in the scheme of things. Warcraft as i mentioned independence. Day resurgence the bef. Gee i did. Not even know. They made another independent Say i was unaware of that. Movie's existence to being on the alice through the looking glass. Now you see me too and the legend of tarzan so summer two thousand sixteen was not successful. Really across the the broader picture. I remember a lot of stories being written that hollywood would have to learn to shift their strategy. Because summer two thousand sixteen was such a you know an underperformer. Oh yeah i was. I was struck when watching this movie. It 'cause i'm thinking. Oh you know finally a born movie where i'm not gonna be confronted by like. Oh that's how things used to be. And i was like it's only been almost five years since it came out but it still feels like a different world. I i feel like you know. Their commentary on social media is so it would be so on the nose now but you know then i feel like people were not as aware of data and privacy and all that stuff that i mean. Now it's always talk about yum yum and so. We talked more about the year. Two thousand sixteen central intelligence episode fairly. Recently you can check that out for more on that box office year. But i will no one thing at nine twenty seven for the worldwide. We had the great wall. Which was the other matt damon film from that year. That i i didn't see it. I don't know many people. Did i never heard of it. Wasn't that the controversial because it was to do with like costing him will. It was a chinese co production and he was the lead so yeah. There was controversy around it. I remember the controversy. Didn't see the movie completely forgot. It came out concurrently with this born movie twenty. Sixteen can we just say twenty sixteen was just like the bustier. can we just. Yeah in a lot of ways but movie wise fisher Not a great movie. You're for sure so Kind of in the wake of this movie once. Well once i finished shooting at an interview in the guardian with matt damon and paul greengrass and they asked about would there be another born film and matt damon said my guess is it will be a while before we even get around to doing. Another one they might reboot it before. I bow out so we'll find out if that holds true in the future. I guess and paul greengrass said it's got to continue. I need our tight zooms. Shaky cam twenty nine hundred. It's also worth mentioning a footnote. There was a one season. Tv show called tread stone. It was supposed to go longer. It did not succeed. It aired on amazon prime. It got very poor reviews. Pretty poor ratings and it is pretty much erased from everyone's memory much like much of david. Webb's life was it in italian it. I've i've read a brief Like a little blurb about that. When i was kind of writing my notes down last night i may have to go check it out just to see how bad it is. Yeah i mean it's the type of show that did not appeal to me when it came out and it really pitched itself as from the world of jason bourne. And that's that's kind of what legacy did and it's like i kind of realized that world's not super fascinating much less like spacing out into a ten hour story. Yeah no it's Again like well. I it. I kind of felt that way about the the fantastic beasts films. You know the world of harry potter but i was like I'm good thanks so like i wasn't super it just didn't appeal to me as much. It wasn't it was like yeah. It was the world. There's a creations or magic. It just wasn't the same though. I think the problem with world building in the the the born universe is nine so much of what's good about the original. Three films are centered so much around him and finding his identity so like he finally does figure out who he is. It's kind of like well. Where do we go from here. Like which may have been a big reason why legacy got made. But it's it's kind of like how many more times can he find his identity. Yeah and also we'll talk more about the world stuff. But when you're creating a franchise that just entirely about selling an audience on the world of. I think that's a really big ask. Unless it's something like you know star wars star trek maybe lord of the rings things that people really know like is ingrained in the culture. Then they'll show up harry potter. I mean i don't like those fantastic beasts movies e either people show up because they do like the harry potter world yet whereas like they love matt damon. They love action movies. Do they love the world of born. That's the bigger question. Here we go. The problem is i think the world of born is just the present day world. Like it's i mean it's just the cia like there's nothing fantastical aside from you. Know who he is in what he can do. How legend you tell me. Nothing's fantastical when they say zoo zoo and then all of a sudden julia stiles fucking right there with a fucking remember high school in my hand and hance like that. That's mystical fuck. There is a definite mystical hacking. Going on in this movie. But that about sums up the behind the scenes on jason born in craft while. We're chomping at the bit to get into this. So i'm gonna throw to the guests. I i'm saying ori because the way. Well jason bourne is my friend. We get along really well however i do not like jason bourne giving me anxiety going on car chases all over the place it was. I was like i need a pin right here and i was so stressed and i really enjoyed the movie. I i really really liked it. I thought it was fun. I don't normally watch action movies so for like that. I stress her out so much. Yeah they do. My life is stressful. Why would i put myself there But this was fun. And i like the cast. I thought the whole opening scene. I was really rooting for julia. Stiles as did not wear say that did not work as soon as they started as soon as they split up. We both went ono. I know. I know it's coming. I know julia stiles did not sign on for an entire new born movie. Non pay her enough She piece out in the first fifteen minutes. I was genuinely surprised by that. I've been really. I've been rooting for judea styles for the last three films. Well not legacy like come on. Give me a great female character apart from landing. And yeah and i was like the beginning of the film. Oh great she's going to be a main character. Yeah yeah. I felt it. I felt it coming. Especially because they introduce Heatherly concurrently with her. Yeah heatherly being the think. She's like the in charge of cybersecurity for the cia. And i was like okay. One of these women is probably not gonna make it can be only one the only one of her official title. Here she is the chief off zooming and enhancing straight from her. Cv that's government. Speak zoom in on the screen to see got to But yeah i definitely. I sort of saw it coming because i they of played with her and him having a relationship they tease them having a relationship prior to tread stone or during tread stone. That never really sold me. Like i always pictured them more as like Like she's kind of his protege word in his war robin. I always pictured them more like they kind of have a mutual respect for each other and like he's always gonna look out for her and vice versa. But i never they never released. Sold me on the whole nicky. Parsons jason bourne. Had a relationship thing. Will i figure. I'm going to go back to because you get that the sort of story line no tomato. They haven't he lost his memory. I thought we were going to segue back into it. The okay it was really upsetting. She liked bashar head. I was just like whoa. We got back that out like three times. I was crazy next. I think there's more to discuss later as we break down this movie. But i'm just curious you know care. And what were your initial thoughts on the movie. I i mean. Initially i liked it. I mean i think it's definitely i think in some ways a stronger than ultimatum because ultimatum didn't have as much of a plot But this one. I mean you know. They are kind of doing the same thing. but i like that they sort of You know quote unquote updated. And it's nice that we finally got time jump. it's not just the same year or whatever But i i thought that what they did with bringing his dad into it was kind of interesting even though it felt a little shoehorned but like it definitely i. I enjoyed it. It was like a fun. It was a fun action movie and it was it was kind of it was still a little hard to understand it was. There's a lot of stuff going on at the same time. I had to kind of rewind a lot. But i did once. I got the gist of the story. Was like okay this. what's happening. Okay now scott. I am fascinated because you hadn't watched us before we've gone through the bourne films fairly recently. Where did you stand on this fifth born film. I think it's very telling that my call them of likes on my notes versus my column dislikes is exactly the same fifty fifty. I think that's where i fool in this film. I think it has a lot of things right but it also has a lot of problems as an action ville as in terms of actions that these two actions that piece. I think it's fantastic. I think paul greengrass is amazing action director and any was he's one he deserves him deserves a lot more mature. But i also think it doesn't have much of a story and it also little story does have seems to rob from the previous bond films boom. I've i felt like they really kinda. I like the idea that the cia is getting into bed with this big tech company. I think that's a cool idea. But they didn't do enough to sell me on. Why like sure surveillance. Why do you need more surveillance like why is do we so bent on using the app or whatever to survey i mean other than just being. I am the director of the cia. Like it's not. There's not a lot of motivation there for me. For some reason. I think if there had been a little bit more of a reason behind it i would have felt a little more invested will like when you have a movie like the dark knight and you have batman surveilling the citizens of gotham city to find the joker. You understand what the driving force behind why he might compromise. You know his morals in a situation like it makes sense here. You're right like we don't have that we have characters throwing around the name snowden quite a few times it's it's worse than snow could be like snowden but that's not like tommy lee jones does not give off a lot of passionate in this movie. You know he's bored. So you want to understand what drives him but i'm not really sure beyond the i'm a patriot. I believe in security which is kind of generic stuff. Say my thoughts on the movie. In terms of the paul greengrass action film making. There's a chase. We'll talk about later. I'm sure that's incredible like what. He stages is just unbelievable. It's really fun to see damon doing all the physical action again but for me. This movie's called jason bourne. This will be doesn't really care. That much about jason bourne really does not wait and it feels like in some ways. It's shoehorning him into a conspiracy plot a movie about tommy lee jones and this Tech ceo or whatever played by a resume. A lot of what they're talking about feels look. I like progress a lot. He's an older guy at this point. And it feels like an older guy tackling social media. Yeah it felt a lot. Like when mark zuckerberg was sitting in front of the house of representatives on. They're asking him things like so if facebook is free. How do you make money from tourism. Med is giving a speech where he says that Deep dream his platform will give you an engineered personal experience okay. I'm still not even sure what dreamed in his is it social media is it like is it an ad program. I don't understand what it is behind. And they have. Tommy lee jones the least likely in the known universe to be using social media asking him asking him telling him like congratulations on the platform. How's the platform nurture. It's so true you not every time he he does that that. resented resides character. Just wants to be like okay boomer. Yeah so i mean we can talk more about all that sorta stuff but in terms of this movie. It feels like too weird halves. Where it's this big conspiracy story. That totally takes over the movie. Certain point and jason bourne the previous films that featured in it was answering a question we cared about like who was this man. What is his background. That's what those first three films explored right. This one feels like it's introducing questions. We don't really care that much about like okay. His father's name is on a document. Okay cool and now we're just going to spend a movie exploring. His father was and who killed his father. And it's like okay. Like i don't like dislike the movie for wanting to delve into aspects of warns background. But he doesn't feel like it's that much of a porn movie most of the time so it's kind of a muddle thing in that i. I enjoyed the technique of it again. Damon's committed. he's doing his job really well. You know we'll talk about the actors but there's not a lot of bad performances in this movie. It's just like it almost feels like it was a little misconceived in the genesis in terms of what we want to do in this movie and i don't know if they ever really crack you needed a hook to bring jason back. I don't think it had it hook. It had the beginnings of a hook but they had this other story about this social media platform. The isn't really tied into it. And so you just get sort of meandering plot of actions into action in which look great. But you don't k- jason just goes back to obscurity again at the end. Yeah and i think as as a. I feel like i get annoyed when movies try to do that where it's like. It's very obvious. The writing team was not a really together on what movie they wanted to make it. Like you know lease there's two plots you know. There's a lot about jason born and his daddy issues and then there's a lot about the social media company There's no through line. That takes me all the way to the end of the movie. And like i feel like they were trying for some character development but it didn't quite get there. There's even a third plot about the shiva candor character in what she wants to do. God you the mac and cheese running through in terms of initiating situation to her benefit. Herbert's is tommy lee jones. Like there's a lot going on in this movie and it feels like jason board is get swallowed up in it yeah. He doesn't even know what the movie's about his name though he does. He's not confused on that it. Is this film missing. Turney gilroy then simply. We talked about before. Where tony gilroy. And paul greengrass didn't get along at all greengrass wrote on The first three films as well as wrote and directed legacy and you know Supremacy in ultimatum projects were very messy. And yet you wonder if what made them really strong was that they emerged from sort of this clash of egos. Yes one. this one seems like everyone kind of got along and it was like yep. We're all on the same page. It's to quote matt damon. You could understand very clearly. Why ever did. Whenever did there was. There was no constructive criticism in the writer's room. It was just kinda like that. Sounds good. i mean it's it's paul greengrass writing it with his longtime editor suddenly defy. We need to cause a fight as examples of double ads throughout history who've been going their own way and tried to do things never quite the same you look at a algorithm by lennon mccartney great solar careers but they weren't the bills. I'm not saying paul greengrass. And tony gilroy. All the beatles okay is old is love scott. All they need is yoga also broke them up and just connection to beat was cool. You know my name that's true. Oh i think you're getting into the conspiracy here. Scott who dead. He's been red pilled. Okay well i'd like to do is talk about some of the highlights of the film before we tear anymore and this plenty of room for that. Don't worry but i were shout out to the ring not opening five after that. The opening scene the big debate battles dot in athens the riots and the chase asks i actually had to kind of sit down and figure out what the riots were about because i was like i felt like it was sort of marrying like the financial crisis but i never quite got a good answer on it but apparently there was some sort of thing that happened the summer that they were filming it but i don't think it was actually supposed to be referenced in the film but this is a little interesting dan kind of hitting home. Some of the moments in that light ryan. We both had to kind of posit and be like man. This is really real to real for us because pauling we live in the us and that we don't get political but you know the imagery was very reminiscent of the last year or so living in the southeastern us right. Though it was based on what was going. Ill ingredients the time. there were lots of anti austerity. Riots was around the time so it was interesting to see that. Because i mean i lived in england. It's quite far away from greece but it was always on the news. Yeah i have a question. Were as many molotov cocktails in real life. The were in this movie Probably not i actually more. But there's there's more rubber bullets in real life. Yeah 'cause this chasing it's raining. Molotov cocktails greengrass was like we need more. Molotov cocktails like the opening of rent. The musical really did throwing shit and some things on fire. I really like the part where he is. Reborn as walking down the sidewalk next to the train guys about to throw one and he grabs it out of his hand and throws it behind him instead to like throw the people off and then the guy just kind of looks and goes well. That's what i was going to do anyway runs away. That was such a cool moment. He like i disappeared behind flames. Cool guys don't look at explosions. Who is don't i wondered watching the sequence though and it's incredibly well staged like very ambitious on. Paul greengrass is part. And i like how he brings that real world feel to his action but watching it. You know surpremacy revolutionized action in movies back in two thousand and four or five or whatever it was it came out and i wonder if you jump forward. Eleven years if putting this on a big screen. People just didn't care as much like it was like moved on to things like the action you'd see in the movies like the raid. And what have you and the influence that has on. Hollywood and i wonder if like this just didn't while people because this would be the type of action sequence. You open this movie in. Like two thousand six or seven eight will be like you need to see this on a big screen like serious scale going on here and i don't recall anyone really talking about this and it was really well. Done like the whole chase scenes in like the chaotic moments. Were really well done. But maybe it's like they're like oh we're we've moved on now onto the next big thing so they just didn't give a shit. I think one of the things that had against it was it was a night. Yeah i tend to find the juice chased from supremacy with friends jerry. Answer he That said the daylight you can see. Everything is very visceral chase reliance. It's mine on man. it's just. It's two people competing as whereas this is very chaotic. Very hectic you don't know what's going on Which can be quite thrilling. And it looks great but also you caught ceelo. Yeah it was. I the second watched through. I watched it again by myself last night. 'cause i was like i need to make sure i'm paying attention to me. I'm doing i. I told you i was gonna And i found myself constantly like rewinding me like okay. How did we get from here to here. I don't lose dark. i couldn't see. It was kind of like the last season of game of thrones even go there a maybe that's the reason for all the molotov cocktails because he was like we need more natural light. Paul greengrass did a movie handful of years before this called the green zone with matt damon and that had a lot of night action and i found it indecipherable. Seeing that movie in theaters. And i feel like this was definitely a step up from that but i do think getting that clear view of what you're seeing people i think they tend to prefer that Any of the big highlights from the final guys. Yeah let's talk about the las vegas chase at the end which i think we can raise some questions about it. Seems more superhuman than any of the action we've seen in the bourne films. When vincent can't sell is driving through and like blowing cars out of his way. And i was like this feels more. Like transformers. Live really was very michael bay. I i listened. There is a series of interviews that I think he's like an irish comedian darrow. Brian did with Paul greengrass and matt damon and a couple of the other crew members about that chasing. And i think they said they had forty swat vehicles and all forty of them were like they survived the they never had to get rid of one. They just thought they were going to write it off But because they were like tanks they never had to write off but they went through two hundred and fifty I think. I think i think that's the number. He said. two hundred and fifty dodge charger. Stay sane. He was just like knock hot wheels off the road. Can we crazy. Can we also take a moment to talk about the fact that jason bourne finally gets to do a car chase in a semi cool vehicle like a smart car or like a you know whatever Marie crosses Frank santa's characters car was in the beginning like or you know like a commandeered police vehicle or something. It's like a black dodge charger. Finally something cool looking in a barn chase scene again. This goes back to that snake. Eating the tail thing of the james bond with jason born where i feel like they use those crappier cars to kind of thumb their nose at the james bond convention whereas when we come back here. Let's do james bond baby. I think i'm sure the earlier films is probably also because of budgetary concerns because they probably didn't have as big a budget they did for this one. I think they could probably of afforded a nicer car. That they were using time ultimate. I'm sure they have the money for it. It's yeah that's true. See the world having those crappy calls it just makes you feel a bit more grounded. Matt damon produced it. He was like. I'm getting my fuck in nice car. And if you've got mad damon engaging in fight scenes with newspapers and pens and things like that it makes sense that his cars would also be functional versus. Well it what you gas the as an side cam wasn't weird to see oldest. Go down in the convention hall between man. Yeah yeah like yeah look reference you know. I met camera star trek convention in las vegas No way yeah. So i've been in holes just like that. Many times sat next to can many times and seeing a gunshots firing off. It feels very large to hire. That's low time on that strip in seeing things get plowed through. It's like it cart real. If those quite real i was actually paying very close attention to the geography of the strip when they were doing the chase and it got a little muddy at one point where i was like. I don't think that's right and i noticed. They were approaching parasol quite a bit. Yeah they were grandpa's. They were mostly down to south into the strip geographic. Yeah i have never been to vegas. And then consequently have never been to most of the places in these movies besides like washington d. c. So i would have had no idea. I was like it all looks right to me. According to palm stars one of the things. I enjoyed about this movie though it kind of ties into what we're talking about was that the asset was older and had more of a personal score in the matter. Because i think we were. you know. Definitely running into repetition by the time we got to the last movie where it's like okay activate the latest whatever type of super soldier. We have and they were all kinds of these young guys who just went through action scenes. I kind of liked it. This one is introduced as like. I dunno like like a serial killer like keeping bathtub while he's watching tv and then a lot of the action is driven by the fact that he was captured because of bornes actions. You know the first film and so he was tortured in syria. And so he has nitsa casella. He didn't so he was great. And i thought that you know these types of roles can often feel like kind of like just feel in someone who's really physically capable. They'll deliver. But i felt like vincent cassel was definitely raising the bar just given i mean the guy is a very illustrious filmography and i had to i-it'd dig pretty hard and i realized he doesn't have a name he's just the asset I know they don't always give them names. I can't remember if clive owen had one. But i know there was the the guy in the tanveer scene and i it was just. It was interesting to me that he's such a huge part of the film but he doesn't. He's never named and i like that. There's those moments swear. He seems to be going rogue. And obviously tommy. Lee jones is involved in this but it actually kind of raises the tension. Because you're like what is this guy doing. This is not what we're used to used to these guys being there. Strictly to follow orders that we understand right and when he starts doing things that the audience goes like like what like. What is this guy doing. It made it a little more electric. Just seeing vincic acelle structure this movie. You know capping people. Yeah you never know who was gonna shoot or what he was gonna do like he was off the walls like it was so he was so fascinating to watch. He did such a good job. Yeah by the time. We had say the portable guys to do bono. Tonight we will already limiting factor was always black brier. Oh it's it's locks. It's whatever the next thing is he was saying cam. This guy is like pre-born. Yeah so we're supposed to get. I had to figure this out from reading about it. But we're supposed to get that when black bryer is exposed. Something bad happened to vincent cassel's character because of born which is why he has that sort of vendetta against him but i i really even on my second watched through did not pick up on that i would watch a movie solely about what the fuck happened to him. Yeah you can call it. The asset the born asset. Why didn't they go with that sort of name for this one. That'd been great right. I mean i rolling my eyes initially. Because i didn't really remember a lot of this movie and when the movie starts there's a lot of talk of iron hand and ask saying it's worse than ever or whatever. Oh god here we go. And then it actually swerved where i said. Oh actually iron had isn't another super soldier program. It's at least something else. Appreciated that yeah any other highlights with people. Well gosh i don't want to highlight. I don't wanna get too ahead so please stop me if you don't want to talk about the end yet but i it's no Get some rest pam. You're tired but i i really do. I really do like the The end where he outsmarts heatherly and leaves the tail. Her car camera. That was like oh. My god we were all eking out. I was like. Aw 'cause he's you know he's like let me think about it. You know at the end of every movie. They're trying to get him to come back to the cia and she's like you've always been a patriot. Whatever and the you know all right after she right after she said oh yeah we'll have to put him down if he won't cooperate he's so smart. That was so good. What that was really cool. I really liked that. Because i'm having a stroke obviously about it and aubrey actually up on the fact that the camera is the one that he picked up at the conference in vegas. Ooh i didn't pick on either. He swiped that shit off the table. yeah he did. I didn't pick up on that. It's always fun when you get these people that are kind of the puppet masters that even jason bourne can outsmart like. There's nothing jason bourne can't do. We have so many scenes of characters saying like. Oh my god. It's jason bourne jason barnes coming but it's entirely justified by the why they're all scared of them. Yeah yeah it's jesus christ it's jason bourne those. That was so good like he played that when she he's talking to her and he already fucking now's. He played that cell so david did such a good job in that with his three lines of the whole israeli with about ending that you brought it up because when i was talking about my likes and dislikes call him. The ending is in both. Yeah i i thought oh you. Clever sausage jason bowen. Look at you go. Clever sausage bracing he forever daily lives means. I absolutely fantastic. But like i i actually was quite riveted. But the idea of jason bull going back to the cia interesting to me. That's a sequel. I would watch that. Yeah yeah him out. Small like go to union you sausage and then walks of is like the bad ass which is great but i just feel like he puts us back to where we were at the end of ultimatum. Again that would be a really great idea for a film. He goes back and then realizes that shit. Mike has to fuck it up from the inside. Yeah we'll fix it or fixes it and he becomes the president. President almost feels kind of like that And we brought up this movie on unfair many times on this podcast but that indiana jones and the kingdom of the christine and come on. Yeah because you have the indiana jones trilogy which is perfect trailers ends on the ideal note. Ultimatum ended on a perfect note as well with the book ends of born swimming. I was bummed out to sea borne swimming in this movie. You bring them back. And you're like okay here we go. Indiana jones is back and it feels like they're kind of like well. I don't know what if we put them through another adventure like the other ones. And you're like well really. That's where we evolve to so when you get to the end of the soobee nothing's evolved. Nothing's really changed born in the same place. He was at the start of the movie. Yeah i did. I'm glad that you brought up him not swimming. Because i thought the same thing i was like. Oh man. there's no there's no classic floating see. i mean. they did do some good callback. They did a good callback with 'em looking at his passports I thought that was kinda cool Feel like there was a couple more. But anyway i yeah. I always love the at love. The end of ultimatum. Where is that the able to meet him right. Yeah the moby starts playing which fact my mom always said. She only watched those movies with me. And my advocate she loves that moby song at the i have to shot her out because i think she might listen to this but Anyway i also have had that song second my head all week washed. You didn't get a war scene and we did mention it earlier. You did get a topless matt damon seen. Oh yeah my goodness. We have to talk about that. Because like i said we were zooming at the same time as we were watching it together. And you know after. I posit after the beginning of. Will you commit to this program and all of his like random flashbacks and i and most of the bourne series to because she couldn't remember it That is the next scene is where he has that. I fight scene in greece and he immediately takes shirt off and we both just went. Oh my god i actually. I pulled the clip of us reacting to it. Because it's ridiculous. And where i was like. Oh my god. He's like fifty. I think was like forty six at the time but still still damned any. Okay reminded me so much of rambo three. It's like what. We catch up with rambo meteors later. He's like engaging in like gambling fights and he has like the risks getting wrapped with the with the whatever bandages. I'm like this is like the same thing. But jason bourne has become rambo. I guess maybe in some ways. He is the modern rambo the super soldier looking for peace and tranquility but never finding it so if that is a an intentional omar very appropriate. Yeah yeah for sure. It's missing the The new guy in the ems away the lesser show. I'm sorry but yes at least you go gratuitous Because you had the in legacy well. You had like fully buff. Jeremy renner racine thrill up in her mouth. Aaron has left the podcast. Everyone i am. I have to go actually brings the things we didn't like about the film. i okay. I've got a few things. I suppose out to everyone else. I'm gonna say cam for. Oh okay I would say in terms of this whole deep dream tech subplot. It really gets dull. And i mean this movie's approach to kind of computers in hacking is pretty goofy right off the top. You have nicky. Parsons getting busted opening a cia file. That is actually called black operations. Thank you at two hundred. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't name their. Cia black ops. You also have her passing on a secret. Usb that it says encrypted in bold font on the actual usb drive and also. it's i got mad at the julian. Assange character whatever. His name is The christian to sell the hacker guy Who's barely in the movie. And i was like. Why did we even need him. Kind of ghalem a little bit. He does a little house too long. He plugs in a random. Usb drive to his own he's supposed to be the super-hacker to his own computer without like doing a bowel. Wear scan or like being suspicious of it at all Because obviously you know homegirl at the cia was like yeah encrypted with malware wise to the incident first place. If you just wouldn't know it's being used they wouldn't have any idea bro. You don't have a vpn. like i'm going to say the walk. I hide my porn better in the cia. Hides its black. Have you never thought of hidden folders skies. Come it seems to me. This doesn't entirely shock me that the cia wouldn't be great at their computer setup. If they've got tommy lee jones running it a man who i think probably uses typewriters door. That's that's very true. I think i counter that though they they should be if they have this young columbia stanford grab. That's running all of the tech operations that you'd think that she'd be better at protecting formation but an awesome karen. You made the point. It's always some young chick who has them crazy degree. That somehow is in charge of something. She probably shouldn't be in charge. I was there's a part where he's sorry. I don't mean to hijack what you were saying but There's a part where he Jason born Sort of like scrolling through a press release about where she how she came to the cia and it kinda just seems like she came from a random tech company. And i was like the does not recruit like that. This guy doesn't bring in civilians to be in charge of things at the cia. Like i don't. I don't really know i would assume and like does this character makes sense this heatherly character and i want to note as well. I didn't know her name until the one hour one minute mark when they actually like held up her name badge or something like that. Okay i i don't know until now. Yeah it's not. Well framed at all. And i feel bad for at least if a candidate i i mean. We talked about her on this podcast before it was like. She's a really great actress but this character as used in the movie doesn't make a lot of sense. She's supposed to be ahead of the game all the time trying to manipulate things. We don't really understand who she is. It's kind of a very messy character in a movie that wants to do a lot of different things at once. I also like the part where she is she. I talks to born on the phone and she says i'm not in charge here. I wasn't here when you went missing. And i looked up her actual age. She would have been like sixteen. Yeah no shit you you were in high school. I mean going off of what scott said. I think it would have been kind of interesting if the next generation of headed by her was actually being you know born in at the end like showing different direction for what the cia could be and working. You know these people like tommy. Lee jones out of the picture who are aging version. I think that's interesting. Movie doesn't really commit to it. That would have been a cool idea. At least they had the even fulfilling relationship between heather lee's character and resume his character. Aaron kalou who apparently went to school together at all this history that we don't see don't you can see it if you posit on the phone screen where it says a A stanford grad but yeah otherwise it. Just she's just like i know these people he's my people. We went to school together or we. We came from the same circles. or whatever. it's like kay cole nice and it doesn't help also that aaron. The tech guy is the most vaguely written rule. Ever he might as well just be called tech guy. Oh my gosh. it's it reminded me. I don't know if you guys have seen the american office. But his speech at the In the about data and privacy reminds. Aubrey knows i'm gonna say reminds me of the sabre launch where jim is making the speech and holding the pyramid-shaped ipad. And he's like the the future is here. It's just like a vague. Like tech speech about whatever is spain gender energy. Yeah and that's the exo right. The vaguely named ted conference. Which on i assume is supposed to be. What does that conference. I wrote it down somewhere. It's lakes Actually a huge tech conference has hosted in vegas every year. And i can't remember cs. Maybe i can't remember but a problem i had. We've kind of touched on is with this whole spinning off from the erin. Colo character is whole deep dream story yet in the previous born films We've spoken about the seemed on the story about the united hearts nine eleven operations in seattle things like that poor spending choices. This film wants to message about surveillance culture. Yeah it's not particularly. Covert about it. And i usually think if i if i figured out the theme of this film or any film is probably being too heavy handed. Because i'm an idiot. No we're not. But i feel i feel the same way it's like. It's it's funny though because when you consider the year that it was made in league we hadn't i'm very very much into Like data and privacy. In how you know our life on the internet becomes a real life but We hadn't had things like cambridge analytical yet. We hadn't had you know this cultural awareness of how much power social media and our data wields over society. And i think it was like weirdly ahead of its time in that way. I don't know. I don't know if anyone else feels that way but I thought it was sort of weird. Because i was like kinda like kind of commentating on something that a lot of people really weren't thinking about at the time i know i said that previously but it really kind of blew my mind when i was like this will be made in two thousand sixteen but i find. I think what's weird is that i don't disagree. That's a good concept for the movie. And i i think the idea of the cia. Interfering with this is actually really interesting. It's that i think maybe if you've given this movie to a a younger filmmaker they would have understood social media. And actually i mean they don't even give us like a freeze frame shot of what deep dream even looks like i. I don't even know what it is. I think a younger filmmaker would of said you know if someone just more attuned to social media would have said we need to show what this is why it works the way it does and how it could compromise its users on screen. Because you can. It's the whole show. Don't tell right like show the audience what this is why it's compromising versus characters just talking about it and so that's why you get these weird scenes of people just talking these vague terms of of platforms. She'll here. i also have another question just at this conference. Is it common for like the of the cia to sit down with like tech billionaires to talk about social media programs. It seems like it's you know he's like oh. He's about to exposes and unlike homeboy. You're at this conference like about to sit on stage to talk about it. Why do you. Why are you blaming that on this guy. And they're going to have him assassinated in that moment. It's like okay. This seems like a lot of extra work you could have done the whole. Why not just do the whole michael clayton like traumatize. A bunch of tech geeks like right right. What was out you have a vendetta or i will say as a former follow spot up. I was triggered in that scene. Because of the i couldn't couldn't quite tell if when he When vincent cassel's crouching and he's about to shoot lower Born runs in and he blinds him with the follow spot. I couldn't quite tell. I rounded a couple of times but it almost looks like he's shoved somebody out of the way the grabs the light and points that i would be very very upset with someone. Did that to me anyway. But yeah i agree. It's the tech has not executed. Well i wanted to. I wanted to already. You mentioned vincent cassel's character in this also has the reveal that the asset was the one that killed bornes father. I was not a fan of that. I'm like come on read counting a lot. Yeah of. I understand the personal motivation of the asset. That's all i need. I entirely understand why he's doing what he would do. Tying it to the death of born father is a little questionable. Why not just have the thing. You know the assassination of the father happened under tommy lee jones's oversight last night. Yeah i have one other not related things that i really didn't like about the movie if unless scott. We need to move on none of this malcolm smith character. Who's the random ex cia guy who's just sitting in an office somewhere in. I think it's supposed to be london. And all of a sudden he's seen and then he just gets thrown off a roof. What is that character like. Why he literally was human shield as the asset is coming. After borough was that the human i was just thinking about my favorite powered and he gets. When did the cia contact him. Why was he. Why did he have an earpiece. That was directly aligned to the director of the c. a. I don't i. I was very confused. I had to look up the characters name and then he he literally is just a redshirt like he's just there to it. The scene the chase scene in. I think it was supposed to be called paddington plaza It reminded me a lot of the scene. The opening scene. Opening action sequence in ultimatum. Where simon ross's on the cell phone with born at east running through and he's trying to tell them where to go but it was It was very. I dunno confused. I was so confused. I was like. Who is this ex. Cia guy bursts into office. He's like. I don't work for the cia anymore. Meanwhile he has an earpiece in do is telling him everything they knew. I was like a Gets they get chased onto the roof by the asset. And then you know Born is kind of holding over. He's trying to get information about his dad. What happened in beirut and all this stuff in you know he finally tells them and then he just throws him in front of him as a well. It was hilarious but it was also hilarious. Because that's not something that jason bourne would do like it just seems the guy wasn't evil. He barely even knew who he was. Like why why did he just existed to get killed and then thrown off a roof. I will come to the film's defense because it does give you enough information to tell you. Who was myth is when he's going through the files. It tells you that he was the photographer. So spied on the parent I missed back on both watches. That was there and you know that. It was done in london and for observe people in our london. Well enough one of the canals. They run poss was actually featured in the james bone. World is not enough interesting mention therefore we And was the financial district paddington pleasures. More a correct place but it. This same does give you probably the worst looking merman in the film where jason bull jumps off of the building and you get really a ropy if you pardon the pun. Cgi seeing when he still climbs on grabs a right before the flow and that not yes. Yeah it was a pretty awkward looking for sure. I mean it's kind of like the liam neeson jumping over a fence in taken to where they had like seventeen cuts. Oh my gosh okay. Well i think. I'll i'll take a quick run through of the actors and then we'll do final wrap up I'm glad matt damon's back. I have to say. I think he is as tempted to play this role the punts been done but he is. He's great he really is and i By i didn't watch. I'm actually gonna probably watch identity and supremacy this weekend because my husband has never seen any of the movies so I was like we've got to watch together There was watching some clips of him in the early movies. And i was just struck by like. Oh my gosh little baby matt damon and he knew you know however many years later he is gonna come back and do this and absolutely kill it at he again. I'm glad he's back in i. I enjoyed jeremy renner's iron cross little. It was a different take on the on the lead guy but matt damon is is the one for me when it comes to the bond series e. shore now. I just wish they'd given him more to do in terms of a character journey. Because i think supremacy for me is my favorite of the born character. Journeys in their films in this one feels like they were like okay. We got david back. He's in fighting shape Boy Seem to be really focusing on the social media stuff What's what's born. Gonna do his gonna blind the guy with the follow spot. Yeah they missed a chance. I think with the south at the end to be more interesting isn't i would say but But we do get the addition of tommy lee jones and for those keeping track. He's now older than he was in men in black three and you can tell because just now more rings on his face. The mighty oak that is commonly jones. He's still standing but he was fine. I kind of wish you had something. Like scotland comeback are like a recognizable character to tie this to the other movies. That's of to is that there's not a lot of There's not a lot of continuity between the previous films and this one and that. Yeah matt damon's back but everyone else kinda written out of it so it would have been nice to have a character still standing from those previous films. Are we to assume that. Dewey that tommy lee jones character was the director of the cia. Because i don't. I don't think we ever see the director of the c. i. a. in the movies. It's just. I think no of us in as the deputy and then pam landy is something else but i don't i mean are we to assume that he was always the c. i. a. director and now he's just more hands on or i was. I was sort of confused by that. I mean i know. We're talking about his acting. But wasn't scott glen the ah the cia director scott. Yeah that's what i was thinking. I'm just having a quick check while you guys toolkit time they just call them ezra kramer so but that's not. That's not helpful. I i definitely. I enjoyed his performance. But it does start to feel real A little boom ary out of touch with no offense to boomers. My parents are boomers but he does like. You said it doesn't really help that. They're trying to sell you on this whole social media angle when to tommy lee jones is the person in charge of it. Tommy lee probably has a jitterbug phone. Yes with like the giant numbers the giant number. I can't confirm that. Ezra kramer was the director of the cia. Okay okay okay. Yeah the i. I guess i need to go back and watch that. Because he's not super involved at all tomato and i haven't watched identity and supremacy in quite a while. So yeah. I just a cynical part of me goes i'll bitchy. They just wanted. Tommy lee jones. Because he's a bigger name you know. Obviously tommy lee jones get second billing in this movie. They want that on a poster. And maybe boosting scott's glenn rose scott glenn's role wasn't enough for them to you know trumpet scott. Glen is being the second lead to this movie. Right and i don't think there's f- of people like me. That are just born nerds. That would be like. Oh that that actor is back. That played the guy in the other movie. Yeah we've got. Who i think is great as kim said he too early room but i think she's so wasted in this film heavily could have been a little better i. She saw visits tech wiz by To just conniving. Yeah i am. I didn't love the direction i mean. It was subversive what they did with the character but it it didn't really hit for me. Especially because they kind of set her up to be the new pam landy or like the new julius style like maybe she's gonna affect and help him you know when she When she gives him the green stamp on his passport or whatever. I don't really know how to say that correctly but And then you find out that she was just sort of out for herself the whole time and it sort of seems like they were trying to make us believe that she was only helping born because she knew that he would help her. Kill dewey or get him out of the picture. And i feel like with some of the past. You know characters. Like whether it's pam landy are no vossen even You know Edward norton in legacy. They built characters where i would have been excited to see them. Come back and i think they want us to really wanna see heatherly. Come back in another born film as an antagonised. Or what have you. And i don't know that they crack that. I think the characters kind of played really money throughout the movie and just doesn't have the sharp personality that you really expect from these types of roles in these movies Well the role of the assets played by vincent. Cassel i think these asset roles of quite thankless really. I think he did great. Voi- hadn't it was refreshing to see another revolution another locks or blackfriars just crazy. That was fun. Yeah yeah. I i did. Sorta like when especially when he first goes rogue in that scene where he takes out the bravo team in the alpha team. Then yeah and she sort of loses control of the situation which i i liked and i didn't like But you know it from his perspective as his character was kind. Cool just to like. Oh my gosh like what is this guy doing because like you said in the past it's always been like the asset. Just does whatever they tell them to do and they're just kind of you know faceless nameless person that sets a sniper rifle on a roof somewhere my only complaint vincent cassel's performance is that he didn't break dance like he didn't ocean's twelve. I gotta go back. This is gonna make me want to go back and watch all of the oceans movies or at least the the first three again. The i always. I always pictured viscous. Oh from Black swan. That's how i always go when we first saw him Because it's very dark in that scene where he is Watching soccer right before he kills the guy in the bathtub. I thought it was andy circus for like a split second. Everyone like andy circuit. Had andy circus in any turn. The line are we were like. Oh no no. No was the giveaway. The lack of motioned direction dots on live action. Eighty circus cooling around the floor looking for is precious. I think that's probably what fragile. I can't maximum very impressive. I was like whoa. How did that happen. just enter. the he lives here. He pays rent to really mentioned to chronically underutilized actors. In this film which are julius styles and resolve it. I love ours just wasted. Yeah yes i mean. Resolve mad right now. At the time. Recording this was just announced as the best actor candidate for the oscars this year for the sound of metal which is amazing movie. Check it out. It's better than this movie And he is incredible in it. But julia stiles one is more problematic. I think in that we had the killing of Frank ten days character at the start of supremacy and we talked in that episode light. That was kind of problematic trope. They were delving into just icing. That character the way they did as the motivation. For all the board's actions through the rest of the movie and they do that again here. They doubled down on it. You can kind of go like the first time you go. Well not great. The movie was really fantastic though. So i guess we can look pass it but when you get to the second time around. And they're doing that to the female accomplice born again. It's really lazy. Saudi things fishy on my soap box for a second in terms of just female representation in these films. We had pam landy. We allen right but yeah franklin was was great in the first film but then they offer and then they never give julius thousand to do and then kill her to go canada who starts off great and then just become cysts of conniving character by the into it. Just stereotype again Writing better characters people. I really do feel like especially in the first movie frank. Potenza is just sort of a manic pixie dream girl. I mean she's a better. She's a better partner with him. I think She does more than than julie. Styles doesn't ultimatum. But i it like going back in watching scenes from it. I'm just kinda like oh she kinda reminds me of Kate kate winslet's character in a journal sunshine to be fair. We also rachel vice in legacy who. I thought was quite strong. Yeah i have so much. I mean i say yeah but i haven't seen she's great though everything she's whatever even that fucking. What was that oz movie. That was atrocity. Oh yeah aches was she. She was still fantastic. Yes okay so cinema throw did i screw that. Saudi lacunas screaming at you for like out west as i got a monkey. I kind of enjoy it. Because the movie is also like a stealth army of darkness. Remake would find that cam all right before we get to the question. Any final thoughts on film first. Come first show. I loved it i. I'm not an action lady. I wouldn't say it's like you know the most brilliant film in the world. But i had fun. I had a lot of fun watching it. I quite enjoyed shirtless method. Did i yeah that too. I enjoyed it. it was fun. i wish it was. It was fun but called west. They did do. We're kinda fun. I mean you know. Every time. I hear that will you commit to this program. I get like you know. I go back to like fourteen year old like i'll just so good But it it. It was fine it was it was fine it. I think i think it had some good moments but it was as far as like like just on. Its own doesn't really hold up cap. Yeah for me. The first time. I saw this movie. It was the most passive watching experience possible. Like i was just kind of like a blank. Look on my face for two hours and then just kind of a shoulder shrug. I found myself much more engaged watching it last night. And i think it's interesting. How it fits into the sort of the tapestry of the bourne franchise but it does feel to me like just kind of a misfire. It's not a horrible movie but it's one that if you were if we had more born movies if we had like twenty born movies kind of like the james bond franchise this one would be ranking near the bottom. I think yeah okay i. I didn't really have anything to say. I still i think i'm fifty fifty on this film. I really enjoyed the action. I think it was while director justin. I'm not entirely sure it was well written. Yeah sure yeah action. Sequences were what really made it. Which can carry you fruit if it's just a cold film and you're not worrying about the what came before or the born character is just as action film. You're going to see it delivers. But if you look any deeper than that. Veneer is us the crumble. Yeah absolutely okay. It's question time now. This four visits week so this could go either way but ladies. We're gonna go with karen. I is jason bourne making the noc list. As much as i love the franchise. And as much as i love the character i have to. I'm gonna have to say no because it just it doesn't. It's not a great to me. The noc list. It's like it's gotta be a great movie on. Its own besides the fact that i'm super nostalgic for jason bourne and i i just don't i don't think hold up over. Well i feel like. I'm the only one who didn't know. What the fuck was going on the whole time. The move i. I'll say i was saying i would say no because i definitely feel like there were some things lacking like. I definitely didn't like how the movie ended ultimately as far as like the plot with or heatherly. yes me. I didn't know her name till his podcast guys spray downing. Because that's exactly so. I'll i'll give it a tentative. No tentative no tentative okay. So i hardly there. It's no leo. She's for me slugged. It apparently she's like well cameron. What's your vote. It's a no for me If you'd have asked me before we watching it it would've been a much harder. No but it's just kind of like a just kind of a middling sequel kind of know where i go. There's things to appreciate about but it doesn't hold up. I mean supremacy The supremacy film is in the nocholas and to me that is head and shoulders this one if i was to recommend a movie to someone. Yeah totally get it. You really can't. You can't get better than get some rest pam. You look tired. Well i guess that makes my vote completely pointless. Some would argue as this film. But i. I wanna commend this film before i give answer because i think i think paul greengrass is fantastic director. I just i think he probably needed someone else to welcome the script instead. If he's friends with him. I think we had a much better story and potentially a good setup for another story now just returns everything. The chesapeake will go back to where they were at the end of mate he might as well just jumped back into the war again. So yeah i. I guess it means it's not for me but i did enjoy it. I think it is a fine film. I think it's it's still stands up. It is a shame when you compare it with what's come before. Yeah yeah. I'm now before we move on. I know you haven't really seen of films. So i want ask feel ratings. But where does this full ones you have seen. I would say for me. I've seen everything but legacy and now now that we've had this conversation. I may go back in. Just give it a watch just for funsies but i would say excluding legacy ice. I still think it's kinda at the bottom i I think the first three. I mean the first one is so good and it was so different than anything that was going on at the time and likes. The primacy was such a good sequel ultimatum. Even though it doesn't have as good of a plot as those movies is still really good It's a it's at the bottom but it's not like so far. It's not you know so far down that i would be like. Oh this movie sucked. But it's still is definitely ranks fourth for me of the four that i've seen it is not indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull miles away from that. What about you aubrey. Well it's the only one. I remember seeing so. It's the best number one so we're in a neutral zone i'll have to. I'll have to let y'all know 'cause now. I feel like i need to go back and watch the original trilogy. Yes they're all peacocks. The original trilogy so against you can watch them for free. All right cam what about you. Yes so i ranked them as the best one is supremacy in my is number two. I put ultimatum number three. The original bourne identity number four was born legacy number five. Is this one jason. Wow okay as totally different to mind. The first one's the same so bones. Pharmacies i and then follow it with bourne. Identity then ultimatum then jason bourne and then bone legacy. I'll tell you what legacies lost of the five. It's the only one. I fall asleep watching. Someone wasn't taking his kim's reds green screens. I just listened to that episode of you guys. So i i. That's very in my mind. The story of you falling asleep okay. So it looks like the dossier on. Jason bull is close. And it's not making innocuous. So i'm gonna put this film in my poland folder hidden away on my computer right next to my blackhawks folder. Right between blackfriars headstones. No one eleven. Find it there okay before we discussed what we're doing next week. We have a quick message from the take a knee for marvel versus dc. Podcast roll the clip roland. If into all things comics you have to check out. Taking the for marvel versus dc. Your go-to podcasts. For comic and superhero discussion debates pose and more tune in regular scott and ozzy. Kill munger chat about your favorite comic operas. And you never know who may show up for an open mic. Or what will be next on their favorite one. Gotta go take a knee from over versus dc. 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The Gay Episode #373

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The Gay Episode #373

"Every buddy I guys well from Salt Lake City Utah. Thank god. I may Theus the purred cursed airfare for don't do that. I started. I started about idea. I'm Frank Filmon. That's true. And I'm Dan Beecher and coming day, we're gonna be talking about what happens when a former gay conversion, therapists and ex gay guy ex gay guy comes out of the closet as gay. But doesn't apologize for his bullshit? It's it's a tricky position. He's owning his gayness. He's not owning damage. He may of the damage that he is rot in the world. So we're gonna talk about that. I think it's a fascinating story. Yeah. But coming up, I Dan. Yes. I have a story of homophobia Odier on a national scale. Oh, we don't have that. We only have we nationally were all very, very pro gay. Well, I would say we don't have anything that comes even close to what the situation is in Egypt. Oh, oh, no, no. I would imagine. They're very good at the homophobe. Where the institutions are so homophobic that a television presenter who is on the record who has expressed his stance against homosexuality repeatedly. Okay. Okay. Is in hot water because he had a gay man come on his show. And he did not promote homosexuality, and any way just interviewer that is he interviews. The man about gates about homosexuality issues, Lottie, da. And this man is now facing one year in jail. The hosted the host is facing a year in jail a fine. The television station was taken off the air for two weeks. Holy shit. Homo phobic buzz. Why they take the whole station off the air. Yeah. And weeks and the guy was fined about what like about one hundred seventy five hundred eighty dollars. Now, he can appeal, and if it is suspended or and and his the all the penalties and everything can be suspended while waiting for the peel go through there's just kind of a bail system and all that kind of stuff. But yeah. So in August, two thousand eighteen the television presenter his name is Mohammed Al gateway. Okay. ET maybe hosted a gay man on his talk show on the privately owned L LT, see TV station, and and they discussed homosexuality. Just during the interview the gay man whose face was blurred out the entire time. Hide is identity. Yeah. Okay. Because I'll be terrified. Yes. Said he was a sex worker and openly talked about his relationship with another man of great. Well, that'll do good things for the for the gay community there to Societa the only gave voice that's ever been on TV with. With sex work. That'll right go. Well, after the interview aired the supreme council for media regulation suspended the channel for two weeks for professional violations will because they they said the LT LT C TV had violated. The supreme council's decision banning the appearance of homosexuality or promotion of their slogans. Great to be gay have slogans. I'll yeah. What's this year's slogan? It's great to be gay to be gay. Okay. Good. I guess it's not strong. It's not only work on a little bit. Yeah. So get this the council banned the appearance of homosexuality or I'm sorry appearance of homosexuals on any outlet after a rainbow flag was waved during a Cairo concert in two thousand seventeen. Wow. That's all it took. So it's banned. Holy shit outright banned. I've IV like. Gay. People in other countries need to start making gay positive programming in Arabic and like get it into Egypt. Because the internet. Yeah. Is harder to control than. Yeah. Some like web series. You mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like exposures really important. What we should do is. We should have like take the prophet Muhammad and give them a gay lover. Right. Make really positive picture of profit home. Like, you actually have an actor portraying. Okay. Yeah. They don't like that either. No. Yeah. And you give them a gay lover. Sure. And you let the tell wacky stories have fun. This is going to go really well Mohammed and Jared love depictions of the prophet Muhammad. Right. Yeah. And they I'm sure would love a gay sex scene while you would have the injustice threats against you before it, even got fully uploaded. We'll probably have death threats just for suggest. They don't listen to our show. Thank god. All right. I'm going to dig us from Egypt to India where rum row hime sing who a guru in in north India. Yeah. Is in prison. Why? Well. For currently in prison for rape. Which? This is one of those wonderful stories where the guy who has started the cult the short small religious sect, right, but growing religious sect, right? That preaches, of course, celibacy and and abstinence sort of thing. Okay. He, of course, was very. Wasn't so abstinent and. A reporter on. Of course, not what the hell's the point of star of being a guru of starting a religion. Yeah. If you're not going to get laid because of it, but he didn't get permission from some of the people. So he was he was a rapist and. And it was uncovered by a very valiant reporter. Whose whose name was rum Chandler? Indian word. Is his last name. Shot and party. God. Okay. It was not easy. There's an extra. There's like extra letters. I couldn't anyway, the journalist. Uncovered this published it and then. Was murdered the the journalist? Journalists was murdered his son took over the paper and continued to publish and push for Justice. So this so this guru who by the way looks like a a WW e wrestler. I mean. This guy could. Oh, no, the arm her alone makes it so that he's a he'll he's not. He's not one of the face wrestlers. He's an he's a bad, of course. Anyway, and always warm. Yes, yes. He doesn't have men. Never complains about the being up to high. End restaurants leaves are redundant with this, man. Anyway. Yeah. So he was finally arrested and convicted of the rapes he's been in jail ever since. But he was just now convicted of the murder of of this guy along with some other people. Oh, God, what is followers doing? Are. They still. Still probably he still has some followers. I'm guessing followers work. Yeah. Cult followers. That's got gotta get some cult followers in your life, Dan because they will stick with you through the worst. Who says I don't have those already who says that I don't have called follower. I don't know. I some of them are listening to us right now. I hope they aren't and the worst. They're saying frankly would follow Dan to the end of the if you have some I have some. Your chirc. If you have for cult followers. So do I root of you, dad? Okay. Okay. You're right. Just that. I don't you're right. What's your next door? All okay. We have to turn the emotions on a dime here. Oh. Okay. Everybody. Okay. Transition. I started with a story about homophobia that we could kind of make fun of right? I we are now moving onto a story that we cannot make fun of. It's just a story that we need to know about. Okay. I'm sure people have heard that Chechnya is kind of a mess, especially for the LGBT community at the moment. There. Dictator control-freak asshole running the country who apparently was like putting powered by Putin. Yeah. And really legitimately was given one hundred percent control over Chechnya. They are cracking down even harder on the community and ratcheting up the. What do you call it? Assault on the gay community. They are calling for actually they're ordering families to kill their LGBT family members. Well, that just that just cuts down on the backlog of his people if the families do the dirty work than his people don't have to go out and round them up. So that's I mean, that's just good economics efficient, I suppose. But also strangely. The police are also demanding that families pay ransom to get their LGBT people family members out of jail, so they can kill. They can kill them. I if he's promised to kill them. Can you get them back for free? I don't think. So I think they want your money, and then you have to do the dirty work and while anyway, I mean, how many people are actually going out and killing their LGBT Q family members. I don't know hopefully a lot because if nothing else if you are gay in Chechnya. You know that this is a possibility you're not gonna tell your family. I mean at this point. I would say that's probably true for people who are coming to terms with their own sexuality. I in a moment of non. Death just for being gay. They people may have been the cats ready out of the back for a lot of these a lot of these people. That's true. So. Let's see where was I going? Oh, Chechnen Chechen leaders and Chechen authorities. I guess are denying but this is happening. They're saying that these are complete lies, and they don't have an ounce of truth in them, even though international watchdog in a system and LGBT gays system. LGBT assistance groups are. Are receiving tons of reports, of course about this. Of course, they do the these guys have been doing this for a minute now. So this is the Chechen minister of national policy Zomba lot Merav. He says he referred to the present detention, torture and death allegations as quote fantasy and nonsense whom added considering the fact that gay people have sick imagination to start from. But they can write some nonsense like that. You know, those disgusting perverts we would never do anything to harm them. But there's so so gross hideous. Who that that? Of course, they would come up with something was this. But here's here's what Chechnya's doing the. I never understand. This is a tactic for a country that has a group that they hate they have revoked or I'm sorry as after you're being released from detention gay men and women have to sign away the right to leave Chechnya. Okay. Officials retain the passports LGBT people. I let them go. Yeah. You don't like them. You don't want them in your country. Let them leave them. Give them leave to go that this. This is a no brainer. But international LGBT networks. Have managed to help at least one hundred fifty Chechen Vic victims of this violence because when they're being held they're being raped and used and tortured. And so the the these the victims have these hundred and fifty they've helped him escape to western countries. But to evacuate one gay person from Chechnya volunteers have to raise up about forty five hundred dollars per person. So this is just to get through all the legal crap. So this is going on in Chechnya they've had been I mean, the situation for gay people in Chechnya has been going on for a while now. Yeah, it's just gotten a lot worse. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. And and it's shocking that in this world where so many places have made such amazing progress on the gay rights. We have places that are actively seeking out there gay people and killing them torturing them and not letting them leave so dumb. So dumb. Yeah. It's yeah. I don't really have anything to say about that. It's awful. I'm going to take us to Jerusalem, where we all need to learn about real estate because apparently Jerusalem realism I'm not a hundred percent clear on how some of it works. But I'll say this the largest landowner in Jerusalem is the Israeli government. Okay. The second largest land landowner in Jerusalem. Do you wanna guess? Take a stab at the second largest out some orthodox something or other. Yes. But you're wrong. We mean, the Greek Orthodox church. The second largest landowner now. Yeah. Yeah. Very a lot of the shrines and shit. Right. They do they also just own huge swaths of land hotels and shit. Like, what are they own like land? And then we've been space land. And then here's what's weird about it. People have built on this land. So they leased they've owned all of this land, which they in nineteen fifty they leased the land to the Karen, co Cayenne, LA Israel Jewish national fund. Okay. Which is a land procurement agency. Okay. So the development could happen on the land. Ninety nine year lease type stuff. Yes. So. Well, so it went until tw-. Yeah. Twenty fifty one so okay. Hundred one year lease. Ooh. That's a nice twist. Yahoo. But that's funny because all of these people own houses on this land. But this land is technically owned or was owned by the Greek Orthodox church who owns it. Now. Shady don't know who. But they, but it's been sold. To this other group. So yeah, it's it's it was sold out from under these people these everybody who owns houses on these just assumed that the Greek Orthodox church would just renew the lease boy in in twenty fifty one. But no, they have sold it out. So now, there's there's a whole bunch of people. Some let me see if I figured out. How many homeowners there are no boy? Over eleven hundred approximately eleven hundred homeowners who are affected by this. Yeah. And they don't know what the future holds for their home. So their their property values of plummeted. Meanwhile, the new owners of the land are they announcing trying to get the private homeowners to buy the land underneath amazing at a great. You know? They're getting a good deal on that. Anyway. So so yeah, the squeeze is on. I just thought it was so interesting that somehow the Greek Orthodox church, and here's what's interesting. A lot of the Greek Orthodox a lot of the Christians. Aren't happy either. Because the church is meant to be their church. You know, it's kind of like an HOA like everybody. All the members kind of owned of the church Chartres. I mean. Yeah. And they're just doing shady deals under the table quietly weird and not telling anybody not out in, you know, not talking about where the money's gonna go or anything like that. Right. So nobody is happy about this. So weird that like. The Greek Orthodox church is a huge owner of the holy land. Well, they like it to down. Everybody likes the holy land. If you could get a piece of it you would to there. It's just glorious. I don't know that the holy land. I don't think that's true. There's no other holy land. There have been attempts by Israel lawmakers to to push legislation through that would just annex this land to Rayleigh government. Okay. But what about zoning could they like just zone it for exactly what's currently there? And then like they take away any worry that it could be like sold and redeveloped. I guess I'd bet. But does that solve the problem? I don't know it isn't solve these hind. Still don't own the land. You know, a little bit of like this fear. That is what is currently jacking up the price. Right. Oh my God. They're gonna like soon as this is done this piece of property, this this thing that I own that sitting on this property. They won't renew the lease won't release. And then okay. I can't have the state that I'm not gonna move. It right down. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how that would work. It is all just a very weird. And this there are problems when major religions run an entire area and entire country or an entire city or whatever. I mean, the Greek Orthodox church we reported a bit. They're still working on Greece is is actually divesting itself of the Greek Orthodox church. They are they are separating their government from the Greek Orthodox church that's still in process that's happening. And everybody's kicking up all kinds of of kinds of fuss about it. But it's a good thing separation of church and state. Absolutely. All right. We'll damn. Yeah. The. The Catholic church just keeps getting into the app business. Well, I should hope so phone apps. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The the the pope Francis himself actually launched this latest one. He he showed it off in front of thousands of faithful as they know how to use it. We'll get. The new app is called click to pray. And shows if you download it it'll show you wherever you are in the world. Of course, what the pope is currently praying for and users can click an icon to indicate that they've prayed with him. Wow. Cool. So now, I don't insist has admitted that he's been a disaster with technology. Right. And so during so as he's like showing it off on it, and it's on a tablet, and like there's some guy they're holding the tablet as swiping at. And this was during his weekly address in Saint Peter's Square. So he's up on the big balcony, whatever. Right. Yeah. And and then he he goes did I do it. After he swiped out. He's specifically is called for young people to download the app. I'm sure that will happen in large numbers. So yeah, everybody you can't get enough of the pope's up on. And and he wants them praying with him, Dan. So right now he has to paints in his heart currently praying for the victims of a car bomb blast. Happened in Colombia, and there's one hundred seventy migrants from Libya and Morocco who died in the Mediterranean, and so he's praying for them as well. And so do I get to like swipe, right and swipe left on the prayers that I like and don't like. And see if you match your likes you to see it, see if I match with the pope's prayer, let's meet up later for some coffee Vail in six languages, I checked out the website to pray dot org where they're saying there's like one point two million prayers wa since the debut. So that means that these things have got to change, right. When there's one point two million people praying to God about something happening in Syria, or whatever. No, no. That's gotta fix it. Right. He's praying for victims of a car bomb blast. Oh and one hundred seventy migrants who already have died. Oh, so then we don't get to know. If the prayers worked will. Well, I guess when I'm outraged when you die you'll go around and find out whether or not those hundred seventy. Migrants made it to have going to be so pissed if they didn't because honestly that many millions of prayers more prayer equal. God have to has to do what we tell them. Yeah. I just downloaded the app, and I was going to do it. But it wants me to sign in. And I don't want to. And you don't have the Catholic ID number. You're signing with Google sign in with Facebook or Sinan with your Email. I'm not going to give you any of those satisfaction. Yeah. Pope, I'm I'm getting rid of this app. Now, then they'll know who you are. They can track you can market to you, Dan at that point. I mean, and I think the internet will think you're Catholic if you do that the internet. Yeah. I care about what the internet things is the should is the most important lab -solutely shut in the world. So yeah, there's all right. Click to pray. Click to pray. I, you know, if we'd had maybe they can just boil all of religious life down to phone apps, and then we don't have to deal with like church anymore. And we like that would that could be good. Yeah. I could be well, you know, it's it's this is a weird naievety to the whole thing. Right. That it's like a that this could possibly like lure in the young people. Yeah. But also that it could possibly substitute at all for the things that people do get from religion, right? Right. And religious experience. We have a very human connection connection. Yeah. That that cannot be replicated online. Right. Very good. You know, what you mean community right point real world community cannot be as wonderful as online communities can be. It can't be replaced by online communities. No, right. No. And so that Hugh that connectedness that will never. Yeah. This will not work. It's just it's a stupid idea because it's got the worst of all worlds. It's like an app that nobody like it misses the point of how apps of what makes apps good. Well, and it misses the point of what makes religion good. Right. And so this like click on an icon, you click on an icon to indicate that you've prayed with the pope right to like, it's like your little hearts or how many people actually after the prayer first. And then click it or do they think that clicking counts as the prayer. I think they're probably a huge number of the users. Consider the click the prayer. I think so. Well, the pope's already got me on this one. I'll say I like, yeah. God can hear a click. Why not his everywhere? He he knows he he's better the internet than the. All right. I'm gonna talk about one miscarriage and Pence, MRs Karen pants mother. I like to call her Pence. I'm sure that's what Pence himself. Yeah. Mike calls calls. Her mother mother mother. It's very it's me. I'm gonna fuck you. That's. Come on. We own them by Pence's gay. Yeah. So so every year on the day that he's worked himself up for it mother. Come in here. Special treat for you. I put here put this on. I got half hard. We're going to change rules today mother anyway mother now works people probably heard about this mother. Now works at a at a school at a Christian school. And the thing that everybody got all got all their panties in a bunch about. Is that this school is very anti LGBT? Yes. Very very much. So to the point where in their rule books. They they make it clear that students not only students who are gay can be expelled. But they can expel students whose parents are even gay supporting they can expel people who aren't even students there. That's how anti-gay they are. You gay? You're out of my school. I would never even signed up. You're out. That is anti gay and all of the all of the employees are required to affirm that a marriage is a thing that happens between a man and woman, and yeah, nothing else to run to be honest though, Dan. Yeah. I honestly ready thought she worked at the school. Well, she probably did she like that or another school? Just like it. I was shocked that anybody was shocked. I don't think anybody's shocked to Mike Pence who was shocked and just horrified that anyone would be mad right that she works at a school. That's that. Hateful today's. Yeah. Just he was just so offended by that. Anyway, I think actually a lot of people were surprised that the school was so Vert in its in its blanket hatred of gayness, right? So it's interesting. Christopher Stroup who's an ex van Jellicoe, a very prominent Twitter voice in the in the anti in the former evangelical movement, okay? He's good at starting the hashtags. Okay. So he threw out the hashtag exposed Christian schools asking people to tweet out their experiences either having attended a Christian school or having worked at a Christian school. Okay. Yeah. And hemmitt meta did a really interesting roundup of some of those tweets, which I would like to share with the class. Let's do if you don't mind. Someone at Doreen GM tweeted. Let's let's also discuss how a friend of mine who passed the entrance exams to a very good Christian school in Lagos was told her and her mother's face told to her and her mother's face that she wasn't granted acceptance because her mother was a single mother. No, broken families. Oh my God. Okay. Is another person mentioned that history. Classes never reviewed the American Indians cultures or timeline of the civil rights movement. Whitewash history. One. At smelling underscore coffee, bro. The bullying was intense specifically for boys who weren't Manley in the locker room coaches would walk out when quote soft boys were we're we're getting tail towel whipped. In the shower or heads flushed down the commodes. God. Yeah. Yeah. One person wrote mandatory marriage and family class hetero. Pairs only, AVI. Blue boys, drew occupations out of hats of boy wife wasn't allowed to work boys wrote the budget children's names out of that. Right. No. No. She said, I got a C. An all I did was named the kids. We also. I don't like these names. They're not biblical nuts. Exactly. That sounds like God damn fairies name. Not one of them was Matthew, John good Christian names. Francis. How dare you? That's not a man's day. It's not a good man's name. I like this one win Steve Irwin died. My fourth grade bible teacher told us he went to hell. So mean. Two. Oh. He I don't know he loved the manuals feel like I feel like all Austrailia probably go to hell is that all dogs go to heaven and all ustralian, they're just the alsi instantly condemned in the minds of American evangelical, it's the word good day. It's clearly there's something not okay about the word today. And I think that it means that they they're sentenced and condemned for life for turn. How do you trust somebody day? Joke, of course, Australia. We love you every American in the universe loves the word good day. And if you say it to them, they will melt any of this would move toss. Julia in a heartbeat in a heartbeat. When I promoted, here's okay. So this one's this one's heartbreaking. When I promoted one of my students of color to the next grade. I was overridden because they wanted to quote spread out the children of color, and there was already a person of color in the classic rate above they held back. My kid and told his parents he didn't pass what? Boom. That's weird. That's weird. I don't even understand what they're up to what you just you. Just want to have a good a good spread. If they're all confined, you know, if they start to congealed into one class, then that's the then you might get who is them. Well, they might start talking to each other and realize that they're you know, what you need is for them to not know about their marginalisation new. You need for them to compare. No, you can't you can't let them talk to each other. That's how you get into trouble. This one in my biology class. We weren't allowed to say say tailbone because of its evolution based connotation. Okay. Than they thought. Maybe it was because it was in reference to to the day here. What do you call it? Then the posterior but bone the. Butter ossification. For. Let's see. I'll just do one more. Oh my God. My Christian middle schools praised the Birmingham, Alabama abortion clinic bombing in the late nineties. The school was in a suburb of Birmingham. My god. Yeah. Lots of these lots of these like more than twenty thousand tweets with that hashtag. Oh, that's a good hashtag. Yeah. Yeah. I've never started hashtag that went that. Well, no, they're not going to we anything. We start. There will be a maximum of six tweets. Oh lucky. We'd be. Oh that is that is that God out there. Yeah. That really we had some reach on that one. Right. Yeah. If we get six. We'll get six tweets on the hashtag one tweet. I think it's our repeated to the funnel mint as about what Twitter is I've been trying trying you have been I've really really been just having a good. I'll try and we're not great at it. We're not great at the tweeter. It confuses me. I I don't understand we sound. So possibly old right now. Like, so like we were making fun of the pope earlier, and we sound like we're ninety seven years. So wait is that a Twitter? How do you do a Twitter with the hash? So pound sign and. And then what what do you do at grandma's seventy five? I have problems in the I'm must spell out entire. And he was proper punctuation. Oh my God. That's why I stick with Facebook. And I write paragraphs. I know I know it's the thing. I have definitely weeded out all of my all of the millennials who refuse to read an entire paragraph. Pay attention to me. Anyway, if you've paid any attention to us, and he wants to you want to hashtag tweet us do. So please. Email us a hashtag Twitter. Podcast of. Thank god. Yes dot com or you can call and leaves a voicemail message. The telephone number is four two four six six six eight four two. Yeah. Go to the Facebook page. Facebook dot com slash TGI. Atheist. Follow on Twitter. Yeah. No. You should it's TGIF as well. Yeah. Yeah. And do the red at two we're on read it. Yeah. We're saying handle a we're on all the thing. They handle there was there was a post the other day that got three comments. We are on fire. So, but no if you like read it join us. Yes. And let's get some activity post some things up vote don't vote and left to know. Don't swipe right left. I wish I could disable the down for just makes me feel bad. Hey, Dan, yoke Rick Joyner. Yeah. That's a name. He's a guy. He's a guy. We've we've listened to a few times times. He's a each time is too too soon. He's a grumpy the last time. He he. Well, basically are he always convinced that our entire society is is going to hell, yeah. And and has new evidence for it every single time. All right. So let's listen to what he's got to say this time. There's one sure thing that we're given thousands of years ago and told why these events come. I'm talking about the warnings that the Lord gave us through his prophets beginning with Moses. And on that this is going to be the result of your sin. If you turn from following, the Lord, and you start calling good evil and evil. Good and and honoring the dishonorable and dishonoring. They honorable these are going to be the consequences talks about storms it stopped talks about earthquakes, and it talks about fires coming up on the land and burning the land. So. I think you know this year. Of we were approaching spending about a billion dollars a day in America, just America almost a billion dollars a day headed towards was three hundred plus billion a couple of months ago in natural disasters. And that is getting worse every year. And. I think the only one has disarming why this is happening seemed to be the insurance companies. They're the only ones that called these acts of God, they called max guy. They really are are is America judgment. Of course. We are. Yeah. They've got it all out. They got the discernment for sure. Yeah. They're calling it acts of God not because it gets them out of actually having out. But because it because they know they know truth about who's causing the wildfires in California and the. The hurricanes. You're you're torn NATO's, you're this. And that I do is that they had maybe a little bit more of an agnostic term. To refer to those those events. Yeah. You don't think God's doing it? I feel like I think Jerry's out. I feel like at some point these people should notice the believers should notice their gods. Dick. If he keeps doing this. You know, look, the the tornadoes hit, you know, tornado alley in the United States of America, right? Is the bible belt? The tornadoes all hit where all the good bible love and people are. Who else would live in that shit hole? So like, yeah, I explained to me how how your God. Like, you're. You're an asshole. He's punishing all the bible of hers for all the the the queers up in New York City. Yeah. Send the tornados there. He's a terrible marksmen though. He's just he just maybe maybe senile. Oh, I feel like he might have gone a little bit wonky. It used to be fairly good at it. You read the bible. He usually. Oh, it was mar it was targeted. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you wanted to kill the first born of every household blaming boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It was missing. No had that lambs bled. Over your door. You're safe fine. Now feels that. Now, it feels like if he says he's going to kill the fourth first born second Bornes are gonna die watch out. Those are going to be a firstborn to two towns over that's gonna get killed glam. Oh, this is going to be a mess. Yeah. It's probably why he doesn't do very many miracles and most likely just the trailer parks. Yeah. I mean, just the firstborn because you know, it's there flimsier it's easier to get in. These brick buildings man kids tougher an for a being to to get through the brick. All right. We had some folks right and call into us. This is from e w w who who who is writing concerning a story that I did last week about a whole bunch of Methodists in the Methodist education sort of realm writing to a writing a letter universally saying we need to accept gay people. Right. And in franchise gay people within Methodism. Yes. He w right. Does a former Methodist I can give insights into what's going on with the United Methodist Church. There are factions inside the Methodist church that are super supportive for LGBTQ writes, the Bishop highest clergy rank in a conference to the mountain sky conference, which is Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah is a lesbian. To your God on my old church. Just hosted the Denver gay men's choir. Well, how about that Methodist church is governed by committees that meet every four years at general conference part of the church that is hindering support of gay rights in the Methodist church are the international conferences, mostly the African conferences. It's always the Africans. Yeah. I know you talked to the Anglican community. No. The same thing. Same story. Talking to senior clergy. The Methodist church would have been pro LGBTQ years ago, if it was not for international conferences, holding the Methodist church back. Interesting my past conversations with senior clergy. There are a lot of there's a lot of drama about LGBTQ issues at general conference that they do not share with the public the story. You shared about the United Methodist Church last episode is nothing new has been going on for decades. Now, like, the past general conferences, there's going to be a lot of arguing and nothing is going to change. Oh, we'll see. Okay. We'll see. Okay. Eventually they're going to have. Yeah. Good. Okay. They will eventually, but they'll have to say, the international conferences, be dammed. Yeah. Don't you think I know nothing about the Methodist, blahdy, blah. But like feel like everybody's going to have to say that eventually because really what you want. Is you want you want your first world congregations? Yeah. You're gonna lose them. Those are your prime one congregations. You can't let those go. Those those African congregations. Those those are second rate at best when it comes to a congregation. Okay. That's damn beater. Pretty sure those Frank. All by himself. Just from their perspective. That is the metro areas you're saying you're saying it just. Blade. It would have been a that's that's that's a good clip to pull. Yeah. Exactly. These guys are awful that one. Yeah. Do it will be fun. Taking out of context it'll be delight. Anyway, we have a voice mail. Do we not we do have a voice mail? This is somebody who is responding. Two. We had sort of atheist pilgrimages as as topic a couple weeks ago, and this caller is responding to that with some ideas on that high Franken, Dan, I just thought of a few other ideas for Huckabee turkovich's or travel than your atheist, secular and. One of my ideas, that you mentioned as going to places where you can visit animals, especially like, I will say very or a elephants sanctuary cairn really getting parked with nature. And kinda learn more about the animal kingdom and also the other one sort of was. You guys were talking about your own religion. But I was raised in from island. Always taught. My religion was only one and best one even though not nearly as many others so visiting places like Buddhist temples or mosques or learning more about eating tribal religions that are way way older than their religion. You were brought up with very different and kinda learning about other faiths as a second person has really. About all of Larry's differences. And I think that's another thing that atheist wants your whole should consider. Did you love the show meet we I think that's great, although wolf sanctuary to say wolf singer, elephants sanctuary. But I think before that she said, well, not just sounds dangerous. Elephants are dangerous to. Yeah. They're all dangerous. They all can be dangerous. I mean, I know that aren't that go roll around with some wolves. I don't know, you know. Well, but like nice, I think that's that's really nice. I do love the idea of like, yeah. Finding finding unique ways to sort of get in touch with nature. Connecting with the world that we live in. Yes. That's essentially the and bending it to our will. Yeah. Well, and you know, seeing the animals before they go extinct. That's a good one. Yeah. Exactly, go Go's aren't going to be any find a tiger. Those are those are going away and say goodbye goodbye, go say goodbye, going all Voy that sucks that made me. Not make you sad. No. I think that's lovely and yet, and I like the idea of also visiting sort of the holy sites. You and I are big fans of going to absolute holy site. Love it all over the place. I mean, such as they are sure how. Yeah. But we I mean, we love to go to I usually enjoy more the architecture like great cathedrals and that kind of stuff. Yeah. Although it is interesting to walk around. And I mean, they are designed to make you. I mean, I'm talking specifically of like massive cathedrals. They are designed to make you introspective. Yeah. You reflect. Yeah. It is the height of the ceilings and the way the light comes in. It's it's all part of a whole package of of inspiration in a move. I've been to some really interesting know I've been to. Like sort of temples that were carved out of the stone in India, their amazing. Just you know. You're definitely going to be reflecting there to like just on on how much work went into it. And how. And just sort of what inspires people and what right? You know? It's it's very interesting. I think I think that we as non-believers have a unique perspective, which is that we can sort of decide we can look around at everything that we see and decide what is baby, and what is bathwater and sort of, you know, keep anything that might be interesting might be useful might be a practice or or thing that we could incorporate into our lives and make our lives better. And jettison all of the stupid stuff. Remind me though, is that the baby that we're getting rid of or the bathwater. It depends. I personally don't want want children. But I enjoy a nice bath. So they'll throw that this bathwater with the baby I like to I like to throw away the baby. Keep miss a nice warm bath sounds nice wonderful. Yeah. Great idea. We also had Lucas right into us. Hey, guys. I just listened to your last episode where you brief. You mentioned the Jay dubb's and the rules about blood transfusions, and it act actually reminded me of a childhood memory. I'd forgotten about for years. So when I was three I was diagnosed with leukemia, which is a form of blood cancer due to this. I was constantly getting blood transfusions from when I was diagnosed all the way until I had a bone marrow transplant at the age of eight. Now, my mom's best friend who I recall being quite fond of wasn't a religious type for the longest time. But when I was around six or seven she'd been going through a really tough divorce and found comfort in religion, the J dubs to be more specific. I was just a kid then so I don't know much about how things went between her and my mom, but I did notice we stopped hanging out as much and the last time I saw her she and my mom had a heated argument in which I clearly remember the line. I just can't pretend to support what you're doing being yelled at my mom later in life. Once I realized what exactly the Jovan witnesses believed. I figured out what she almost definitely meant by that. She couldn't support my continued existence to put it bluntly. It's a strange thing. How religion in end. It's out Landis. Rules can cause good people to turn on a dime for the sake of quote, righteousness. Yeah. Yeah. That's you know, that's that's gross. Because it's not even about her making choice for herself. Yeah. She's she's not, okay. With this other person making choice for their child. We'll keep their child alive. Yeah. That is medically shown to be of value to this person's health. Yeah. And that the Jehovah's Witnesses know from first hand experience. Will kill you. If you don't do it. Exactly. Yeah. Because they lose people all the time to this shit. Yeah. So yeah. Thanks Lucas for that. Yeah. That's that's great. Do we have some folks to think we do in deed? We have one new faithful listener, okay? Yaro? Okay. And we have our reigning champion champion learns savior, actually, not raining as that suggests that. This is somebody who's come back from last week. We have a new a new champion noon. Orden savior, new hop donor. Who? Scott, scott. That's more like yelling con- straw. Well, her Rafer you guys, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to join their ranks show your appreciation for the hard work that Franken I put in to most of our shows. So indeed by by going to automate the dot com and clicking on the support tab and joining these fine people in supporting our show, and before we go we should. Mentioned we have a grand total, Dan. Oh, we do. We came up with a total hurrah. It was in the high four hundreds this our donation to the freedom from religion foundation. That's right. I knew recalling that we would do that. We had a campaign. We were going to we're going to donate a percentage of all of our take from December and finally sorted. We have those numbers now and everything's clear. We can say that you know, it was going to be in the in the hi four hundreds rounding up to five hundred yet. Make it just a nice clean number that will be sending off. So to help support them in all the good work that they do. So. Yeah. Again, thank you. Everybody who participated in that. And thank you for those of you who continue to support the show. Hey. Dan, you know, what's gay? Found. No, I don't know where you going being gay that is. Yes, you're right. It's it's the only thing that can can accurately be gay. I don't I don't feel. I'm not saying derogatorily. I know. Hey, so we got. We had a fellow recently haven't reported on it. Lots of people reported on it everyone reported on it a guy here in Utah. Yeah. Who who was Mormon is Mormon? Yeah. Downst- and anything. No. Except now he's denounced nothing he as a former can gay conversion, therapists, right has announced that he will now be seeking dates with men, you will be living his life as a gay, man. He'll be leaving his wife of many years. And so that that gay conversion that he was touting boy that sure worked on him seems David Mathieson. Yeah. He co wrote a book by the name by the title journey into manhood. Sounds at hot definitely no homoerotic undertones in that at all. And he also wrote becoming a whole, man. Ooh. Wow. We how does he spell hole? Heo band. Boom. That's that's a thing. All right, anyway, he's he's quit the ex gay movement and and gotten himself up on Grindr is one. Yes, one can what does that or there's something? Yeah. Whether it's like, plenty of fish or. The one where sexy self haters or whatever. I self love. Right. Exactly. So so anyway, yeah, this guy. Yeah. He worked his his basically is entire career. As therapists has been to to help game in torture themselves. By staying in a religion that hates them. Yeah. It's a tricky one. You know, we shouldn't. I don't wanna be to lipid about it. Because religion's a mind fuck, and and beautiful smart, caring people can be sort of swept into a a life. That is tricky fine. Okay. That's all finding good. He can he could leave the religion. And not denounce it or he could stay in the religion. And still just be like, I'm going to be gay. And I don't care what I do care is. He is unapologetically referencing his pass. Yeah. And saying that he that that he feels good. In fact, let me just read the statement. Okay. He says my time as in straight marriage, and in the ex gay world was genuine and sincere and a rich blessing to me. I remember most of it with Fundus and gratitude for the join growth at caused. Sd in me, and many others, but I had stopped growing. And it was start and was starting to die. So I've embarked on a new life giving path that has already started a whole new growth process. I wasn't faking. It all those years. I'm not renouncing my past. I'm not renouncing my past work or my LDS faith, and I'm not condemning mixed orientation. Marriages I continue to support the rights of individuals to choose how they will respond to their sexual attractions and identity with that freedom. I am now choosing to pursue life. As a gay, man. That's the problem is that he's because he's like trying to like wrap himself in this like, you know, like, no, I like, you know, like everything was great then and everything's great now. And I've always been about like freedom and making choices and this really is that what you were doing your anti-gay conversion crap right people making choices about their lives. Like, you can you can try to wrap it up. Oh, I'm choosing to not be gay. Right. No. But that's not what you were doing. Yeah. I mean, you were you felt that gay was lesser? You felt that gay was wrong you actively worked against the. As self acceptance in these men who were coming to you know, you can't just turn around and like a wealth. Mel I'm gay, and then that wretched horrible damaging past this wake of damage motion damage that you've caused people the you've perpetual, psychological damage. Right. Right. You can't. Oh, no. It's fine. Yeah. I I'm not owning. In fact, I still don't even acknowledge that that was damaged right. He will this. That's the thing. There's there's a progression that we've seen people can be assholes. Well, people can be might just be an asshole. Although I will say this. He did have a Facebook post that actually sort of owned, homophobia, like internalized, homophobia. He EBay Szekely. He didn't apologize for his work. But I feel like it's even a step beyond. What you just read? He said things like. I used to be caught in an ideological prison of my own. He said. Even today as a newly out gay man, I still find too much homophobia in myself, but I'm a much more accepting person now than I was six years ago before I started dialoguing with in a mixed ideology group. That included several gay affirming, therapists who knows where he's headed. But here's here's the more important point. And that is that this man at least during his entire career up until now internalized the homophobia of his religion to the point where he rejected his own identity. In favor of the teachings of the bullshit that was handed down to her. Like, this is the power of religion that they can make you reject who, you know. You are reject something fundamental to yourself. In favor of whatever it is some outside force is teaching and that's disgusting. That like what what could be more sad than just you know, who you are. And you reject it. Frank, just shrugged his shoulders. He just looked in the eye shrugged. His show. This is an audio format. Franklin. You have to use your word this, Dan, I know, so speak it out sister. You know sister. Look, it's a it's a difficult thing and the truth is I get you get you get to be pissed about this because this man hurt people. Yeah. He I mean, literally, I was I I was able to avoid all of that crap. I got out young. I got out early got out right out of from after my mission. And I got out what the same time that I was getting out of the church all by avoiding by that crap. Human. You avoided any kind of like like gay conversion anything nobody was able to converse or coerce me into that little world. Right. Like if I had been just like holding onto the Mormonism, go good. I can't believe I'm gay have to repay these sends. And I just I just fully accepted myself. And it was like it's fucking bullshit. And let's say that I had you know, that's where I would've landed. Yeah. Was in one of these things. Yeah. That was that was a huge hotbed gay conversion therapy. If I had wanted to like stay at BYU. And if I'd wanted to like, you know, be self, you know, self loathing and all that. Then I yeah. I was in the perfect place for it. But I I I avoid all of it. And and thank God. Because you know, that I've known who did go through it. They're horrifying stories. It's ten find it really really awful. And a lot of the guys. I remember like when I was coming out. I knew some guys who had kinda gone through these things, and they just kind of laughed and shrugged. It all off because they knew the whole hypocrisy of the thing that all the guys at these groups would you know, hook up after right? The the the their group session was over right and all that kind of stuff. And so like like, even the participant lot of the participants knew that it was bullshit. But a lot of participants were fucking damaged. They they ended up in mixed orientational marriages, which is a hateful term, right because. It just the terminology somehow legitimizes the idea that it's that it can work on in a real way. Yeah. And time and time and time again, of course, we see it doesn't work and the people who are best at it. Who are so who love each other and are kind to each other. And what even then it can't work right because only one person because I is is sort of being fulfilled by it. Right. The other person is definitely not being fully like there. If we're going to live in a society where marriage is about love, and and and is about a loving and also sexual communion. You got you gotta both parties have got to be into each other in that. It's just it's just how it's got to work. So so, yeah, I mean, it's it's the it's the sad. It's the desperate sadness that so heartbreaking about this. It's the I'm going to you know, a lot of these. And the thing is that you know, these men are taking themselves to this therapy. Right. A lot most of the time. It's not it's not, you know, sometimes it's parents forcing their their kids to go or whatever. But a lot of the time. These guys are like, you know, they want to believe in their church there. Turcios told them something horrible about themselves. And they'd rather believe the church, then believe their own experience. And so they go, and they just continually and granted it's changed since the sixties, right? When it was all when it was like shock treatments and version therapy and all sorts of like, truly like clockwork, orange style horrific nece, right? It's it's it's more to pass that to a much sweeter kinder way to teach. You hate yourself. Yeah. Instead now, they take trips out into the forest where men. Are able to commune with nature and each other. And find their their real manliness. Right. Yes. I it. It's all based in in like these dump stereotypes about gender roles and whatnot right masculine masculinity. And Lord knows if you've ever been to a gym there are no masculine gay men ever. Yeah. Masculinity will definitely cure. You of gay? If you've ever seen. Jim. Yeah. Whatever. Well, anyway, I just you know, there's there's there's there's a part of me. That is glad that this guy is taken this step because obviously there I mean, there's two parts there. He's finally starting to be honest with himself. But then the other part is, of course, he's not out there. Doing more harm in the world against gay men. And of course, I'm happy about the whenever this kind of one of these guys crumbles or tumbles. Whatever in falls that. They it's one more piece of evidence against this this this this concept and the myth, all yeah. We can point at yet. Another gay conversion therapist who. He was gay. Right. Right shocking. Every and everybody fell down shocked, the one person in the you know, who cared enough about changing gay men. Was guy couldn't even change himself? Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, like like, I'm happy for for that. But he sold books. He had a business. He made money off of it. This was his living. Yeah. Until he apologizes. He's he and sincerely apologizes to the gay community and owns the damage that he did. And that's what I mean. And he should apologize. He owes. There's an entire community of people that he owes explanations to he's got some work that he has to do. Yeah. And he needs to do some and some of that work a lot of that work. The initial work will be internal because he's got a wrap his head around. What the fuck is going on. Right. And then he's got to go out there and advocate against what he was doing. Yeah. It's not just about. I was wrong. It's about you need to now. You know, some real legwork, right? Putting a stop to this shit. And then cool, then we're okay. Yeah. Then we can all be friends. But until then. Well, what have we tweet out? We're not friends the gay community Utah needs to make needs to get together. Unite and deprive this man of any blowjobs. That's right. The apology. No BJ's until you follow Giannis. That's what you get. It was something along those you don't get to be gay and have a happy sex life now until you've sorted yourself out. Now, absolutely no gay men of Utah. He's on he's on blast just note. Yeah. Stay away. Anyway, there you go Frankas pissed now will he's definitely damaged goods like this guy. He's gonna be a mess. Oh, yeah. You don't want to date this on. Oh, holy shit. Stay away. And or in any way, emotionally entangle yourself with them. Definitely not. He is going to be a disaster. Although if you see is new profile pic, he's he's definitely he works out. He does work out. Yeah. Daddy type. I guess. Yeah. He's got into little little bear to them. Yeah. Anyway, there you go. Listen if you have anything you'd like to chime in about if you are into daddy bears. Right, right. Into us podcast think automate the dot com or call one leaves voicemail message. 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