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125  El Comandante: Fidel Castro

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125 El Comandante: Fidel Castro

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This is propaganda no absolutely not. We're not like Dictators we should have more of those. That's certainly not Where we're coming from no at all so so yeah this is this week is a We three and today. We're talking about an Dante Fidel Castro guy. The and much like Lauren Astra forgiveness for her Spanish pronunciations. With her Italian talion accent. I will be asking for forgiveness for my spinach pronunciations. With my Frenchaccent. I can't wait to hear it. Actually I don't think I've ever heard any French words with a Spanish Accent while you're here. We go great excited. Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz was born on August thirteenth. Nineteen twenty six near beat on in in Cuba's eastern Oriente province. So he was the third of six children. I'm he had two brothers Rahul and Roman all of whom you may have heard and three sisters Angela Augustina. I don't know it. They're spelled like that. No I love your like Angela. uh-huh from the Chicago so his father's name was on hell. He was a wealthy sugar plantation. Asian owner who did most of his business with the American owned United Fruit Company. His mother had been a made to unhealth first wife time of Fidel's birth uh-huh scandal And by the time Fidel was fifteen. His father dissolved his first marriage with his first wife and was in married his mother at age. Seventeen Fidel was formally recognized by his father took that long for his father to be like yes. This is my son and his name was his. Last name was changed from ruse to Castro. So Fidel grew up in wealthy circumstances actually among amid the poverty of Cuba and he was educated in private Jesuit boarding schools. I'm from an early age. Castro showed he was intellectually gifted but was also a little bit of a troublemaker. I'm he was often more interested in sports than studies He attended Clay Hill the lawless in Santiago Cuba and then L. Klay. He'll the Belen in Havana where he was a pitcher for the school's baseball team and he also played basketball and ran track. I'm so how we've talked about like what if Stalin had stayed on whether man academy like what if Hitler had been accepted art school. And there's a similar legend that Castro was scouted by or tried out as a pitcher for the Washington senators in the nineteen forties Mike but was rejected. However there is no actual evidence that he ever had a tryout with Eddie American baseball so later on people tried to use this rumor to attribute Castro's anti-americanism to his bitter disappointment? Failing at a baseball tryout is that seems to be an urban legend but think about the alternate universe where Hitler was an incredible famous artists. Like ooh I haven't had had eight off Hitler in my house. I wonder how much it's worth or like the most famous weather man in Russia. Joe's Uncle Joe Stalin on and Fidel Castro. The the starting pitcher for the senators. He was so cut one. Three world series is up just turned everything around for the real real real alternate timeline. Yeah for sure crazy alternate time line just thought experiment so after Castro graduated from college. wjr Or Klay Hyo as they say in late nineteen forty five. He entered law school at the University of Vienna and he became immersed in the climate of Cuban nationalism. I'm into you. Imperialism and socialism by nineteen eighty-seven cashiered become increasingly passionate about social justice and he traveled to the Dominican Republic to join an expedition attempting to overthrow of the country's dictator Rafael Trujillo. Although the coup failed before it got started the incident still kept Castro's passion for reform alive and he traveled to Bogota Talk Columbia the following year to participate in the anti-government rioting that was their Castro also joined the Partido or tobacco an anticommunist political party founded to reform government in Cuba. It's founder Cuban presidential candidate Eduardo. Sheba's lost the nineteen forty eight election but inspired Castro to become like a big disciple of his He pledged to expose the government's corruption and warned the people about General Fu hence you'll Batista who is plotting a return to power He was the president from nineteen forty. Forty two nineteen forty four in Cuba however she bosses efforts were cut short. After his supposed- allies refused to provide evidence of government wrongdoing and in August nineteen fifty one one Sheba's who did a weekly radio broadcast. He shot himself on Air W-WHAT's trauma. Oh my God I thank God it was radio and TV so this was like Castro's like friend and his mentor. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. So in. Nineteen forty eight years prior to two she. Boss's demise cash remarried Mutai Diaz Balart who is from a wealthy political family in Cuba. They had one child also named Fidel. They nickname him. Missile delicto meaning little Fidel in nineteen. Forty nine so the marriage showed Castro wealthier lifestyle and gave him improved political connections around the same time he developed developed interest in the work of Karl Marx. Hey and became intent on running for a seat in the Cuban Congress in March nineteen fifty to a coup led by General Full Hensel Batista successfully overthrew. The government in the upcoming election was cancelled leaving astro without a legitimate political platform and little income with which to support his family. So Batista's back in office. He set himself up as dictator and solidified his power with the military in Cuba's economic elite and the AD is government recognized by at the United States so cash oh and fellow members of the Party. To- Orthodox organized a group that they called the movement and they planned an insurrection. Oh on July twenty six nineteen fifty-three Castro and about one hundred fifty. Supporters attacked the Moncada military barracks outside of Saint Jago to Cuba in an attempt to overthrow. Throw Batista the attack failed and Casher was captured and tried and convicted and sentenced to fifteen years in prison and his brother Rahul was also among those imprison but while incarcerated Castro got his group together he renamed his group the Twenty Sixth of July movement and they continued to coordinate their activities through correspondence respondents in while in prison he and his fellow prisoners were ultimately released in nineteen fifty five under an amnesty deal with the Batista government and he traveled with reinhold Mexico where they continued can you to plan the revolution around the time his wife Michelle left him and like jetted the hell out of there and went to Spain. What about feed the League? I think they left there was still in Cuba assuming fidel had some family members they pro but his wife she empty right off so cashiers in Mexico. He met with other Cuban exiles as well as the Argentinian rebel Ernest Stowe Che Guevara. Hey who believed that. The plate of Latin America's poor could be fixed only through violent revolution curly so Guevarra join castres group and became an important confidante and helped to shape Castro's astros political beliefs on December second nineteen fifty-six. Castro returned to Cuba aboard the boat. Granma I'm sorry. Yeah like Alah Ella. Grandma Grandma G. R. A. N. M. A. is the name of the boat. They run He had about eighty insurgents with them and they had a bunch of weapons and they were near. The eastern city have Manzanillo Batista's forces this who they were attacking Batista's forces killed or captured most of their attackers but Castro as well as his brother Rahul who CHECA Vara and a handful of others were able to escape into the Sierra May Straw mountain range along the island's southern coast so over the next two years Castro's steadily readily growing forces waged a guerrilla war against the Batista Government. My God so they were pouring out of the mountainous jungle. Yeah like yeah attacking their guys. They're on the grandma. They tact group but teases group killed most of them and and then the guys that live like hidden in the woods and manage to like gather support because they were like this was bad where yeah so they so so they basically spend the next two years like growing forces and they organized resistance groups in cities and small towns across Cuba. Cashew was also able to organize is apparently well government. He's able to carry out agrarian reform and controlled provinces with agricultural and manufactured production. While hiding out. So it's kind of like the Cosa Nostra like he was kind of running like a parallel like system. Like a protectorate system in a way Hey So enough people didn't like Batista then they were like well. The guy in the woods is while we've got some good ideas. The guy in the woods has some great ideas so beginning in Nineteen fifty-eight Castro. His forces mounted a series of successful military campaigns to capture and hold key areas throughout Cuba. I'm so combined. With a loss of popular support and massive desertions in his military Batista's government finally collapsed. Under Castro's efforts in January nineteen fifty nine Batista himself fled to the Dominican Republic. So at the age of thirty two. What Astra successfully concluded his guerrilla campaign to take control of Cuba man? What have I been been doing? It really makes you so. According to Encyclopedia Britannica cash was celebrated as a hero for toppling Batista's authoritarian Tehran regime. Okay Yeah Ed Sullivan. The host of America's. TV's most popular really big variety. She flew to Cuba to tape an interview with Castro on January Eleventh Nineteen fifty-nine where surrounded by about one hundred armed men Ed Sullivan talked with Castro. whom he likened to George Washington he called cash show a fine young man which were the same adjectives he also had used to describe Elvis Presley And later that day in Havana Castro taped an appearance for the team. News program face the nation and he also talked with a few other famous. Talk show host and newscaster so Castro. who had yet to declare himself a Marxist said that he thought the American people were quote? Nice Oh oh thanks so he he did all the stuff and he kinda authoritarian regime and everyone was like great job may are young guy. Hi Great Job. Oh boy so here we go. Provisional government was quickly created then with Manuel Unwell installed as president and Jose Meteo Cardona as prime minister and that quickly gained the recognition of the United States and cash show himself arrived in Havana to cheering. Crowds and assume the post of commander in chief of the military in February nineteen fifty-nine mirrow suddenly resigned and Castro was then sworn in as Cuba's Cuba's prime minister and meanwhile hundreds of members of Batista's government were tried and executed so Castro implemented far reaching reforms by nationalizing factories and plantations -tations in an attempt to end. US economic dominance on the island among these reforms it was announced that the new government would based compensation to foreign companies on low property values that the companies. He's had negotiated with the previous Cuban governments in order to keep their taxes low so basically like the American factories came in there. Like what super cheap to build here. So they said well. You're not going to actually make a lot of money off of that because you bought that property for super cheap like trying to trick us. So American companies ended up feeling the negative effects of these measures ocean that led to a significant strain in relations between Cuba and the US. During this time Castro repeatedly denied being a communist but too many Americans has policies closely resembled the Soviet style control of both the economy and government in April nineteen fifty-nine Castro and a delegation visited the US as guests of the National Press Club Cash show hired a public relations firm to help promote his tour but at the time president. Dwight Eisenhower refused. He used a meeting with him in. May that year cash assigned the First Agrarian Reform Act which limited the size of land holdings and forbade foreign property ownership. Oh so even if you have if you were a foreign Foreign country that owned property on Cuba like nope not anymore. Wow yes yeah. So on that surface the intent was to develop a class of independent farmers but in reality that program led to St Louis in control with farmers becoming government. Employees sure. Yeah Yeah and by the end of Nineteen fifty-nine Castro's revolution had become radicalized with purges of military and government leaders including the president who Toria and the suppression of medical of any media. Critical of Castro's policies his government also began establishing relations with the Soviet the Union horse the. US are sent more than one hundred Spanish. Speaking advisors to help organize Cuba's defense committee and February nineteen sixty Cuba signed a trade agreement to buy oil oil from the Soviet Union and establish diplomatic relations when the US own refineries in Cuba refused to process the Oil Castro expropriated them and the US retaliated by cutting Cuba's important quota on sugar beginning on what would become a decades long contentious relationship between the two countries. Yeah I think I remember hearing about that right. So it's a big for cash in nineteen sixty one especially for his relationship with the US on January third nineteen sixty one outgoing president. Eisenhower broke off diplomatic diplomat relations with the Cuban government on April fourteenth. That year Castro formally declared Cuba a socialist state three days later about fourteen hundred. Cuban exiles is invaded Cuba at the remote Bay of Pigs in an attempt to overthrow the Castro regime. So like just two years. After Castro had overthrowing Batista there are a bunch of Cuban. been exiles that were like no we're going to get him so that incursion ended in disaster. There were hundreds of insurgents killed more than thousand recaptured so though the US denied right any involvement it was revealed that Cuban exiles had been trained by the CIA an armed with American weapons decades later the National Security Archive revealed that the united. It's eight had begun planning an overthrow of the Castro government as early as March nineteen fifty-nine. Oh my gosh. So a couple of months after Ed Sullivan had called him a very very nice. So the invasion was conceived during Eisenhower Administration and then inherited by President John F Kennedy. Who reluctantly approved? Its action but denied the invaders in the air support in hopes of concealing the US's role in the effort. Castro was able to capitalize on the incident to consolidate his power and further promote his agenda. On May first nineteen sixty one when he announced an end to democratic elections in Cuba and he denounced American imperialism Then at the end Castro declared himself a Marxist Leninist and announced the Cuban government was adopting communist economic and political policies on February seven. Nine hundred sixty two of the United States imposed a full economic embargo on Cuba so in the wake of the Bay of Pigs incident casher intensified his relations with the Soviet Union by accepting further economic and military aid from them in October nineteen sixty two increasing reliance on Soviet support brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. Yeah hoping to deter another. US invasion of Cuba Castro and Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev came up with the idea of placing nuclear missiles in Cuba just about ninety miles off the coast of Florida Khruschev justify the move as a response to the US Jupiter missiles that have been deployed in Turkey however. An American Youtube reconnaissance plane discovered the base construction before the missiles were installed and president. Kennedy responded by demanding the removal of the missiles with orders for the US Navy to search any vessels cels heading for the island over thirteen anxious days of secret. Communications between Khrushchev Kennedy in their agents the Soviets finally agreed to remove the missiles and exchange for the US SS public agreement not to invade Cuba. The Kennedy Administration also agreed to secretly removed Jupiter missiles from Turkey and both leaders ultimately saved face and gained some admirations for their restraint but Castro on the other hand was humiliated because both superpowers had completely left him out of the negotiations Isn't this there's a movie based on this collect thirteen days or something like that that I didn't see no I did see I saw. I saw it in a civics vicks class in high school. It was good. It was interesting the guy who played. JFK looks a lot like JFK. It was amazing. I don't remember who was in it anyway. If you're interested in hearing about that go see that movie. I yes definitely so cashiers upset. But he didn't take this lying down. Of course nineteen sixty five. He merged Cuba's Communist Party with his revolutionary organizations and installed himself as the head of the party within a few years begin campaign of supporting armed struggle against imperialism Elizabeth Latin America and African countries In January nineteen sixty six. He founded the Organization for Solidarity with the Peoples of Asia Africa and Latin America to promote revolution Russian and communism on three minutes and nineteen sixty seven. He also formed the Latin American Solidarity Organization to Foster Revolution in select Latin American countries in in the seventies Castro continued to promote himself as the leading spokesperson for Third World countries by providing military support to pro Soviet forces throughout Africa though Cuba was still l.. Heavily subsidized by the Soviet government during this period those expeditions ultimately proved unsuccessful and put a strain on the Cuban economy. So they're just. They're an island in the middle of the Caribbean they're so small. Yeah like they're taking money from the Soviet Union for things. Yeah and like in return. They're going out to like like basically like proselytized like communism and the USSR. Yeah and not really getting anywhere. Because they're like the size is a finger on the map like index finger. Is it is a big island. Oh sure yeah that I mean but but then you think about like all the continent of Africa all the countries. And they're like what are they gonNA do. That can help them. So meanwhile the. US agreement not to invade. Cuba had not precluded attempting to topple the Castro regime in other ways over the years Castro was the target of numerous creative. CIA assassination attempts among my favorites cigars poisoned with botulinum toxin tuberculosis infected scuba diving suit with a booby-trapped conscious placed on the sea bottom an exploding cigar. Because you're Castro love cigars. He'll love scuba diving by the way that he quit smoking. In one thousand nine hundred five also oh ballpoint pen. Containing a hypodermic Syringe preloaded with the lethal concoction. Black Leaf forty. This is like Boris social level. Shit there were also plans to blow up Castro during his visit. Ernest Hemingway's museum in Cuba. Hey I've been there in Cuba. Oh no I went to the one in Key West Yeah so Fabian. Escalante the former head of the intelligence directorate and the man who had the job of protecting Castro for about forty nine years alleged that there were over. Six hundred plots and conspiracies known to Cuban agents all dreamt up to kill Castro some were perpetrated by the CIA especially during the first half of the nineteen sixties but from the seventies onward. It seems the attempts were most often made by Cuban exiles who had been trained by the CIA. Shortly after Castro took power in nineteen fifty nine. Some of the plots were depicted any two. It doesn't six documentary film called six hundred thirty eight ways to kill Castro. Oh which aired on channel four in the UK One of these attempts by an ex lover who agreed to aid the CIA by attempting to smuggle a jar of cold cream containing poison pills into his room. Some plots aimed not at murder but at character assassination so for example using thing thallium salts to destroy Castro's famous beard or lacing his radio studio with LSD to cost him disorientation during the broadcast damage his public image by the way Castro kept his signature beard as a symbol and triumph of the revolution and it also saved him a lot of time by his calculation. Castro said quote if you multiplied the fifteen minutes you spend shaving every day by the number of days in a year you'll see that you devote almost five thousand five hundred minutes to shaving being an eight hour. Day of work consists of four hundred eighty minutes. So if you don't shave you gain about ten days that you can devote to work reading or sport but probably you work. Yeah he he sounds like a really fun guy to talk to Yes. Yeah so the last documented attempt on Castro's life was in two thousand and involved placing placing about two hundred pounds of explosives under a podium in Panama. where he was going to be giving a talk But cashiers personal security team discovered the explosives before he arrived upped. Castro took great delight in the fact that none of the attempts ever succeeded and was also quoted as saying that if avoiding assassination attempts was an Olympic sport he would've won gold medal. That's pretty good. Yeah I mean I love this this run a gamut of from subtle to like. Let's just put a bunch of explosives under the podium. I got nothing yeah breath. I don't have anything else. He didn't pick up the poison conscious on the bottom of the ocean while he was scuba diving. How much money we spent on that stupid con? Shell we had the guys working for months so the little bit of good news here like all this so cashiers regime shame was credited with opening ten thousand new schools and increasing literacy on Cuba to ninety eight percent. Wow that's pretty. Good Cubans also enjoyed a universal healthcare system uh-huh which decrease infant mortality to only about eleven deaths in one thousand which is one point one percent which is like pretty great. Yeah also sidebar. Are here which is still part of under good news. I guess Cashier loved ice cream. So much. Chance that during the nineteen sixties. He ordered the construction of the greatest ice cream parlor in the world. Oh Havana so he had his secretary Celia Sanchez. Help design the plans for this. They named it Cappella after that ballet about a life-size doll Covered that in episode one zero five whole closer tiny dancer so cashier had a special breed of cow developed. That could withstand the Cuban weather and he had a favorite cow named and who broke Blanca White utter utter who blanca favorite cow. So the Capella. This domed to story. Sorry I screamed. Palace was a dazzling spun. Sugar White with stained glass windows and seating for thousand what So before the revolution the Cuban people loved quote Howard. Johnson's ice cream astro told a visiting journalist. Shortly after Coppola opened referring to the then conic American brand quote. This is our way of showing. We can do everything better than the Americans. Coppola scillies is a state run ice cream parlor which to this day employs more than four hundred workers and serves four thousand two hundred fifty the US gallons of ice cream a day to about thirty five thousand customers a day so time they were like we're going to have the best ice cream in the world. They had like twenty five flavors flavors. It was super cheap. Oh come you would order like five scoops of ice cream. At a time they would call it like basically a salad like on Salata like a we kind of get yourself like five different scoop super cheap so nowadays they don't have nearly as many flavors and apparently the quality's not as good as it was when cashier was office. But but like it's still there and it's a it's a tourist spot to five thousand people at one ice cream parlor. Inundate people like Santa Line for hours to get to go against this place cappella so good news but as always. There's there's always bad times. Civil Liberties were being whittled away as Labor. The unions lost the right to strike independent newspapers. Were shut down and religious institutions were harassed Castro removed opposition to his rule through executions and imprisonments as well as through forced emmigration though there are no exact numbers the Cuba archive estimates that tens of thousands were murdered with a documented fifty six hundred killed by firing squads alone even more Cubans were killed by state forces when they tried to flee the country which occurred during the nineteen eighty Kanamori river massacre where fifty six were assassinated by the Cuban government Vermont on July six nine hundred eighty attempting to flee Cuba. That's my day stain. The kenmare river masks on. Oh Oh also the tugboat massacre of one thousand nine hundred four. So the nineteen ninety. Four incident happened during the early morning of July thirteenth. Nineteen ninety four when a stolen tugboat. The full civilians attempted to escape the Bay of Havana. The tugboat was a state. Owned boat. Called the What's thirteen in Spanish? GSA trace okay. Thank you Marzo or the March thirteenth. That was the name of the ball at thirteenth of March. Was the name of the boat so just a few mas off the coast. The march thirteenth was rammed by four other boats that had pursued it out of the harbor. Both civilians and crew were swept off the decks by jets of water that were fired from the other boats. In once the march thirteenth had sank. The survivors weren't offered any immediate aid. So only when like a Greek boat accidentally stumbled upon the scene did Did Anybody Buddy attempt to rescue those. who were still afloat in the water? So I'd have a total of the seventy two people on board. Who are just trying to escape in this? Like old ricky tugboat at least thirty seven died including including a dozen children and being very sad. That's awful let them leave. Yeah let him believe doing you any harm cheese. During Castro's searle hundreds of thousands of Cubans fled the country generally settling just across the Florida Straits in Miami. It's the largest exodus happened in nineteen eighty when Castro open up the port of Memory L. to to allow exiled Cubans living in Miami to come claim their relatives upon their arrival. Castro also loaded the ships with Cuban prison inmates and mentally ill people oh mine sent them then back to so he was like. Oh you left your grandma. Euro Bela here. You can come and get her and then you're like okay. I love my boy. I'M GONNA go pick her backup and Havana. Then then. By the way you have to take all of these murderers yeah here you go take these murderers with you. Oh my God in all Paul. Nearly one hundred twenty thousand Cubans left their homeland in nineteen eighty alone to find sanctuary. I S holy cow. Although there's no official show Count Castro is believed to fathered at least nine children so again with his first wife he is on a fee delicto. Who actually committed suicide in February burri? Twenty eighteen after a battle with depression But Castro and his second wife Dalia Savelli had five more sons and he also had three other children from three separate women in a two thousand. Eight documentary claim that the Cuban leader slept with at least two women a day for forty years. Sometimes a third one came in after dinner so two to three women every day for forty years. Yes doesn't seem possible. He CODA use that time to work you. You know all the time you save shaving. He was actually saving that he was banking. That time. As as you banging yes a former catcher official said quote. I don't think he would have stayed on for as long as he did. If got all the incredible women he had access to as President Senate Barth. Yeah Yeah So. After the nine hundred ninety one collapse of the Soviet the Union sent Cuba's economy into a Tailspin Castro's revolution began to lose momentum out without cheap oil imports. An eager Soviet market for Cuban sugar and other goods Cuban unemployment and inflation grew the contraction of the Cuban economy resulted in eighty five percent of its markets disappearing. Oh my God they were relying heavily on the USSR. Oh my gosh show. Cashew remained adapted keeping control the government during dire economic times He pressed the US to lift their economic embargo but it refused. Like you've been a jerk shots thirty year. Yeah like I duNNo. Cash showed then adopted a quasi free market economy and encourage international investment. He also legalized the US dollar and encouraged limited tourism In in one thousand nine hundred sixty visited the United States to invite Cuban exiles living there to return to Cuba to start business. Okay okay like if people are going to be like Oh okay. They're coming coming back. Raft opened a restaurant. He's in two thousand one. After massive damage was caused to Cuba by Hurricane Michelle cash showed declined. US humanitarian aid but proposed a one time cash purchase of food from the United States. President George W Bush's administration agreed and authorized the shipment with the fuel supply running dangerously low. Castro ordered one hundred eighteen factories to be close and sent thousands of Cuban doctors to Venezuela in exchange for oil imports so now he's like trading trading people people for God goods and services in the late one thousand nine hundred speculation begin to arise over castres age and wellbeing. Numerous health problems have been reported over the years. The most significant occurring two thousand six when Castro underwent surgery for gastrointestinal bleeding in a dramatic announcement on July thirty first two thousand six cash. Oh designated resonated. His brother Rahul. As the country's temporary leader it was the first time since nineteen fifty nine revolution that he had ceded control. Oh my Gosh Oh role at served as Castro's second in command for decades and had been officially selected as his successor in nineteen ninety-seven following cash. Surgery his only appearances were in photographs and video recordings recordings or meetings on February nineteenth. Two thousand eight eighty one year old. Castro permanently gave up the Cuban presidency due to his deteriorating physical condition he ended his power over two hundred. Seventy six at the time. Oh I can seventy so. She Cuban National Assembly officially selected as President of Cuba that same month. Although Castro reportedly Ridley remained the first secretary of the Communist Party like wasn't going to but in April two thousand eleven news broke the cashew officially stepped down from his role within the communist and his party Rahul easily won election. As the party's new first secretary takeover her brother and choosing famed revolutionary. Jose Ramon Machado Ventura to serve as the president's second in command in his retirement. Castro began writing a column about his experiences and opinions called reflections of Fidel. No using in two thousand seven. His autobiography was published. It was called my life. He was running out of steam. At least wasn't my struggle for a couple months though he failed to publish any column so people were like Oh did he take a turn for the worse I but then he put out like a bunch of articles like a couple months later like. Don't worry I'm still here. So the though not involved in the day to day affairs running Cuba Castro still maintain a certain degree of a political influence. Both at home and abroad sherm continued to meet with foreign leaders. Such as Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in twenty twelve during their visits to Cuba Pope Benedict arrange a special audience with Castro and his trip there in March two thousand twelve seeking to obtain greater religious freedom for Catholics living in the communist nation in September Two Thousand Fifteen Pope Francis met met privately with Castro to in twenty sixteen. When Barack Obama became the first sitting president to visit Cuba and almost ninety years did not meet with Castro? Who later denounced the goodwill will mission in his column citing mistrust of US motivations and writing quote? We don't need their empire to gift us anything like so maybe you do you do Fidel L.. Some big words from an old man writing a crank column you know like. He's like the Andy Rooney of Cuba. This point don't your your. Hey we're in the. US president comes to your country. May you rest Andy Rooney so speaking of death so Castro finally died on November Twenty Fifth Twenty Sixteen at the age of ninety ninety nine. Oh my God caused wasn't announced but he was nine ninety. I can't believe that so his brother and successor will made the announcement of his death on Cuban state. Television Asian in Cuba declared nine days of mourning thousands of Cubans lineup to patriotdepot leader at a memorial at the plaza. Del Revolucion in Havana where he had delivered many speeches throughout his rule on November. Twenty nine th row who led a massive rally which was attended by leaders of allied nations including Nicholas Maduro of Venezuela even Morales of Bolivia Jacob Zuma of South Africa and Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe tens of thousands of Cubans attended the rally chanting llosa Fidel and Viva Fidel Dell. Yose Oy while there was morning in Havana. Cuban exiles around the world celebrated the death of the man they as a tyrant responsible danceable for killing and imprisoning thousands of Cubans separating generations of families a motorcade carrying Castro's ashes and a Cuban flag draped casket was driven across the country descent. y'All go to Cuba on December fourth. Twenty sixteen his remains were buried at the Santa Iffy. GENU- cemetery in Santiago near the burial site of Cuban poet and independence leader. Jose Marti following Castro's death Cuba's government announced that it would be passing a law prohibiting the naming of institutions streets parks or other public sites or erecting getting busts statues or other forms of tribute in honor of the League Cuban leader in keeping with his wishes to prevent a cult of personality from developing. What a nice guy so this guy's Legacy Z.? He was the longest serving non-royal head of state in the twentieth and twenty four centuries he was in charge of a forty seven years from nineteen fifty nine to two thousand six for comparison during that same period. Ten different men served as the president of the United States. Oh my God. Eisenhower George W. Bush so it was probably like every time the president came in like. There's like five big stuff that was just like stuff on Castro. Take your time but make sure you you read it all. Maybe you can come up with something better. We try to his beard. I don't know maybe just explosives. I don't know whatever you'll figure it out. So under cashiers leadership Cuba actually became one of the best educated and healthier societies in the Third World as well as one of the most militarized states in Latin America. She's a little bit of Columbine. Castro publicly rejected the dictator label. He wouldn't approve this episode being involved being included in this the month he stated that he can constitutionally situationally held less power than most heads of state and insisted that his regime allowed for greater democratic involvement in policy making then any Western liberal democracies but let the Cuba archive project. It is documented. Almost ten thousand victims of Castro between nineteen fifty two and today including fifty six hundred men women in in children who died in front of firing squads and another twelve hundred extrajudicial assassinations thousands. More Cubans also died trying to flee his repressive regime so Cuba Archives Lives Truth and memory project documents deaths and disappearances resulting from the Cuban revolution in studies transitional issues of truth memory injustice they seek to help Cubans attain their rightful freedoms. Freedom's foster a culture of respect for life and the rule of the law and honor the memory of those who've paid the highest price and you can learn more about them at Cuba archive dot work cool time for quiz. We're sorry I thought that was great. That was excellent Cuba. Archive kype Dot Org. Everybody make sure that you support your local archive and your non-local Archive. I'm ready for this quiz K.. Pumped this quiz is called Havana. ooh Na Na hey hey kiss him goodbye. This is a quiz on Cuba's capital and songs ends played at sporting events question one l.. Florida is a historic fish restaurant and cocktail bar in the older part of Vienna China known for its Jack. Ries floor also boasts a life size bronze statue of which American writer position in his favourite spot at the end of the bar as a perpetual old man by the question to boom boom clap. Boom Boom Clap. Which nine hundred seventy seven song rarely set in Acapella form using only stopping nothing in clapping is percussion besides thirty Second Guitar Solo at the end ranked as billboard number one greatest jock jam of all Time Question Three Cabanas Plaza del Revolucion or Revolution Square is one of the greatest city squares in the world and on the eastern facade of the ministerial del? Interior is a giant sculpture. Modelled in the likeness of an iconic nineteen sixty photographs captured by alburto CODA below. The portrait is the phrase Asta Victoria impre the famous quotation by which revolutionary hero and former friend of Fidel Castro. Question for if you go to a wedding in buffalo you you know. You're going to hear what quintessential song by the Eisley Brothers which has been appropriated as the bills fight song question five. Try to remember a massive explosion causing the destruction of the. US Maine in Havana. Harbor triggered the outbreak of what eighteen ninety eight international conflict question in six the opening verse which you may never heard of this famous. Nineteen O eight sports anthem. Which you definitely have starts with the lyrics 'em Katie? Casey was baseball. Mad had the fever and had it bad just to root for the hometown crew every sue Katie blue on a Saturday her young Bo. Oh called her to see if she'd like to go to see a show but Miss Kay said No. I'll tell you what you can do. What Sport Song is this question? Seven in this reimagining of a nineteen eighty-seven blockbuster film transplanted the original movie story from upstate. New York to Cuba on the cusp of the Cuban Revolution Actors Diego Luna and Romola Garay may not have quite had the time of their lives. In what two thousand four film question I mean. I guess it makes sense if you're running around the baseball diamond but several other professional and college sports teams including the Boston Red Sox Carolina Panthers. UNC Chapel Hill Tar heels and University of Pittsburgh Panthers US what nine hundred sixty nine song as unofficial celebration music questioning inside the moral castle. Historic Park in Havana is the world's longest. What what measuring a whopping two hundred ninety five feet created by master poor sadler that would equal a whole mess of crepes at the Magic Pan as long as they're not rolled too tightly and finally question ten? Oh Mama I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law starts what Nineteen seventy-nine rock song. That has become an an anthem to the Pittsburgh steelers. There are three rivers by that stadium of course but this band isn't named for any of them. We'll give you about a minute to think Louis back with your answers. Okay in awesome I didn't realize how many jock jams I knew until a started on this. I'm very excited about this. Okay all right arch in one L.. Florida is a historic fish restaurant and cocktail bar in the older part of the van unknown for its dockery's Florida also Bosa life sized bronze statue of which American writer position in his favorite spot at the end of the bar as perpetual old man by the sea. That's Ernest Hemingway Way. Sure is so. His home in Cuba was called FINCA VIGIA or lookout farm. He lived there from nineteen thirty. Nine and nineteen sixty and that's where he wrote seven books including the old man and the sea a moveable feast and islands in the stream question to boom boom clap. Boom Boom Clap. Which nineteen seventy seven song song really set in a Cappella form using only stopping and clapping his percussion? Besides the Thirty Second Guitar Solo at the end ranked is billboards number. One greatest jam of all time That's that's we will rock you by Queen. Yeah yes you got it got it in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven we will rock you and we are. The champions were issued together as a worldwide top ten single. All in soon after the album was released. Many radio stations. Just begin playing the songs consecutively. Without interruption we will rock. You is also the title of a jukebox musical based on the songs of Queen with the book by Ben. Elton When I played softball when I was in middle school We were very bad And I remember we were finally really winning a game and We started singing. We are the champions and we will rock Q.. On our bench which was not kind but we were so excited that we finally won a game. Our our coach got very mad at us nor places for you know orange slices for us. She was very upset. We did win that game. It was great good memories. Good memories question. Three Havana's plaza to the revolution or a Revolution Square is one of largest city squares in the world and on the eastern facade of the Ministerial Dylan tear. Your is a giant sculpture model in the likeness of an iconic nineteen sixty photograph captured by other TAKADA ODA below. The portrait is the phrase austell. Victoria Siempre the famous quotation by which revolutionary hero and former friend of Fidel Castro. Is that Shavuot Vera era is Shay Guevarra Revolution Square is also dominated by the Jose Marti memorial which features a three hundred fifty eight foot tall tower in a fifty nine foot statue. Martinez a writer and philosopher who became a symbol of Cuba's bid for independence from Spain in the late nineteenth century and he's referred to as the apostle of Cuban independence so a lot happening happening in Revolution Square. Question for if you go to a wedding in Buffalo. You know you're going to hear what quintessential song by the Eisley brothers which has been appropriate as the bills fight eight song. That song is called parentheses. The bills make me WANNA end parentheses. Shout exclamation point Yeah so since Nineteen eighty-seven NFL's buffalo bills have used a one minute customize cover version of the song by says got Kemper as their fight song and a big ditch brewing in buffalo has beer called. Make Me WanNa Stout which is a coffee and cream. Stout brewed with revolution. Coffee beans from Public Expresso. Got Some of that for my brother over the summer he joined it. I mean it played at my uncle's wedding. We all did the you know a little bit softer now louder now. Yep It's the bills man make they make make you WanNa shout whether good or bad. It's a very actually. Yeah Euthanasia. That pretty much pretty much any time. Yeah it depends on the tone of voice frankly question five try to remember a massive explosion causing the destruction of the US Maine in Havana harbor triggered at the outbreak. Of what eight hundred ninety eight international conflict Was that the Spanish American war. was those Beige American. So just fresher in eighteen ninety. Eight President William McKinley sent the US into Havana to ensure the safety of American citizens and interests in Cuba which was struggling with Spain to become independent independent. On the evening of February fifteenth eighteen. Ninety eight the main sank in Havana. Harbor after suffering a massive explosion begin Lee urged patients and didn't declare that Spain lean had caused the explosion but with the deaths of two hundred fifty out of the three hundred fifty five sailors on board New York City newspaper publishers. Hearst and Pulitzer decided that the Spanish were to blame. They publicize the theory as fact in their papers. They both use sensationalistic and astonishing accounts of atrocities committed by the Spanish in Cuba by using headlines in their newspapers such as Spanish Spanish murderers gone. Also popularizing the phrase. Remember the main. Yeah they're press exaggerated what was happening. And how the Spanish retreating Cuban prisoners and this was the start of yellow journalism journalism that presents little or no legitimate while research news wanstead using eye-catching headlines increase sales original Click Bait Yup question. Six the opening verse which you may never have heard of this famous nineteen eight sports anthem. Which you definitely have starts with the the lyrics Katie? Casey was baseball. Mad had the fever and had it bad just to root for the hometown crew every sue Katie. Blue honor Saturday. Her Young Bo call to see if she'd like to go to see a show but Miss Kate said No. I'll tell you what you can do. You can take me out to the ball killing this quiz or killing. I am willing. This quiz chorus. Is What's traditionally Sung during the middle of the seventh inning of baseball game It was. I played at a Ballpark in nineteen thirty four at a high school game in Los Angeles and played later that year during the fourth game of the nineteen thirty four world series on has has been tradition at percents but yet the like the versus or like their Nutso. Yeah question seven this reimagining in an one thousand nine hundred seven blockbuster. Film transplanted the original movie story from upstate. New York to Cuba on the cusp of the Cuban Revolution Actors. Diego Luna and Romola d'auray may not have quite the time of their lives in what two thousand four film That's dirty dancing is a dirty dancing. No no shut up. It's not. It's dirty dancing Havana. Nice yes dirty. Dancing Cohen Havana night. Yes Patrick swayze is in that movie. No he has dance class instructor. Apparently there was like some throwaway line in the original dirty dancing that said like Oh. He was so excited to teach somebody this Cuban dance. He learned that they were like perfect. Why build a whole mood move around that? So Peter how the Toronto Star thought the movie was quote charmless clumsy and culturally offensive. All at the same time give it one out of five stars Wesley Morris of the Boston Globe award it to four stars saying quote as you might expect the movies are square as a sock hop. Oh that's main question. I mean I guess it makes sense if you're running around the baseball diamond but several other professional and college sports teams including the Boston Red Sox Carolina Panthers. UNC UNC Chapel Hill Tar heels and University of Pittsburgh Panthers US what nine hundred sixty nine song as an unofficial celebration music okay. This is the one that I got hung up on nineteen. sixty-nine song read the first part of the question to me again. I mean I guess it makes sense if you're running around baseball diamond but several other professional and college sports teams including the Boston Red Sox Carolina Panthers. UNC Chapel Hill Tar heels and in University of Pittsburgh Panthers us what's on as their unofficial celebration. Alright Alright nineteen. sixty-nine something about going home. Maybe know something about a diamond. Nope your faces and changing Run in in free running scared running down the devil. Everyone's favourite celebration music the running with the devil and I don't know what is it. You don't know what the Boston Red Sox thing. No I don't know what is it. Wait no it's it's I I really. I didn't know sweet. Caroline was happy sixty nine. You hate that song. Oh you hate that song you got there I did it. I doubt there In a to interview Neil Diamond stated that the inspiration for the song was was John. F Kennedy's daughter Caroline. Who was eleven years old at the time it was released? Yeah that's what I said right. Now she's sweet. Yep the Bob really hate that. I hate to sing along. I'm sorry you shouldn't be writing unless you are unless you are her father. You should not be writing a song about eleven year old girl yeah. I don't care who she is. I don't care if she's famous or dead or daily. Yeah yeah not for you sir. Mr Diamond cushion nine inside the moral castle. Historic Park in Havana is the world's longest what measuring a whopping. Two hundred. Ninety five feet created by master. Thorsen Lor for that would equal whole mess a crepe at the magic pan. I'm going to say cigar. Yes yes who's a lot world's longest Cuban Cigar on May third twenty eleven master cigar. Were Jose Customer Cairo known locally as quickly recorded a world record with a monster cigar measuring two hundred sixty eight feet but but that was a long enough for him decided to break his own record in two thousand sixteen by Rolling Colossal. Roughly two hundred ninety five foot hubbub ano- which he dedicated to Fidel Belcastro and his Cuban cigars are supposed to be the best in the world or whatever. It's been estimated that ninety five percent of quote Cuban cigars sold in the US. It's our counterfeit. Yeah you full mouth and jock cancer from them very serious yeah I. It's no good in finally question. Ten for all the Marbles Lauren. Oh God I'm so stressed you're not you're nine for nine. I know I don't know if you've if you've gone time. Pretend before I've never gotten ten for ten for ten on a quiz about Cuba and sports songs. Well my friend I'm gonNA take a lap. Yeah I'M GONNA take it if I get ten. Yeah it's like a lab around this room. Yeah I'll keep boy okay question ten. Okay Oh Mama. I'm in fear for my life from from the long arm of the law. Okay starts. What Nineteen seventy-nine rock song? That has become an anthem to the Pittsburgh steelers. There are three rivers by that stadium of course but this band isn't named for for any of them okay rivers is it is it. Is it rolling down the river is that NOPE nope shut up. said I said the band isn't named for any of them. Okay banned CREEDENCE clearwater revival. No this is nine hundred seventy nine. You said okay. River River band. Oh Mama I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law is this. Is this a song that you would know but I would not know you would know it. What I yeah Okay Homa? I'm in fear for my life for long arm of law sticks it sticks. God is it Is Not Mr Robo. No no come. Sail Away Mr Roberto. Do I know any other sticks. I don't know paradise by the Dashboard Light. No that's meatloaf it's no six. What is that song is a song is called renegade? Oh I don't know this song oh I can't I now. I don't know the renegades song I know Mr Bata Oh come sail sail away mister robot. Yeah that's a later sticks. I know Song Yeah that was after the lead singer got got into like like rock operas and so he started like writing weird like rock slash like show tunes and the rest of the band was like forget it. We don't want to be anywhere anywhere near US dammit. I was so close so close renegade by sticks during the third quarter of every steelers home video compilation compilation of defensive plays or shown with the utter rocking of renegade in the background and Steel city is my favorite clothier of Pittsburgh related plated gear I'm wearing their pants right now. And this isn't an ad. I just love the product on the NFL assured that says oh mom I want to hear renegade like sold out like immediately of course. Yeah I don't know that song all my data's so mad at me right now I mean he doesn't even like sticks who. You did an awesome job. That's definitely an a but it's not an a plus and I I don't settle for anything less than plus that's not true. I've settled for a lot less than that in my life so We got an email from listener. Okay yes Haiti S. Who's been on our house before? Yeah Sushi sent us some little if tree so after your curricula episode Haiti senescent email. That said that BCG It which was mentioned as a vaccine for tuberculosis is also used as a form of immunotherapy for bladder cancer. What it's administered after tumor is removed from a bladder lining so this process assis involves putting a tiny bit of bovine tuberculosis into humans? Bladder using a catheter. Most one way concerning anything your yeah to a bladder that stays there for a couple of hours and then it comes out the same way it came in so it's not understood. Exactly why but that little bit of Turkey Killa makes the lining of the bladder leslie develop new tumors. Oh my God. So how do they figure out that something like this would work. Yes said I'm glad you asked. Because it his wife and much like scientific discoveries. The answer is a random string of weird occurrences some weirdo out. There realized that MILKMAIDS and areas. Where Cows House? We're getting a lot of bovine. We're not getting any kind of bladder cancer at all. Oh my gosh right. We're all the other milkmaids getting bladder. Kids I don't know turns Out The small amounts of TV that were transferred to them resulted in a lack of bladder cancer. which is a win for science to Berkeley and Milkmaids Lake? That's wondering Katie. Katie Katie. That was great and weird. That's really cool. Yeah very interesting so tuberculosis. Saving lives to saving milkmaids sled up. It's wonderful yeah. Thanks so much for listening guys. This was our third our penalty. No no not our penelope ultimate episode no meddling more are medium episode of a dictator December. Thank you so much for sticking with us You can find US wherever you get your podcast. Yeah please rate review and subscribe exactly. Tell Fred and thank you to everyone. 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That's Progress

You Need a Budget

04:48 min | 1 year ago

That's Progress

"My name is Jesse mecum in this podcast. Number three hundred seventy seven for wine, where we teach you four rules to help you stopping pitch to check get out of debt and save more money question is after you're doing all this, and you're working on it. You're budgeting, you're fooling year burning. You're just savvy. Ing your way through this financial world. How do you know when you're progressing, and I hope to make this a quick one today. I'll give you a couple just off the cuff, you will know you're progressing, if your money conversations with your significant other are improving their less tense, and they're more informative. They're more instructive and less destructive. They are more enlightening and less guilt inducing, those are some signs of progress. If you just put a Bill on auto pay, and you've never done that, before that's progress. If you have all your bills on auto pay now that's progress. If you haven't looked at your Bank. Balance except to reconcile it with wine app for accuracy reasons. That's progress if you had to move money from one category to another because you needed to overspend, for, whatever that's worth, that's progress you work in the system if you just caught a rule to true expense that messed up your budget, because you hadn't foreseen it. So now you have foreseen it and you've built a goal in wine app, and you old with the punches to handle it in the meantime, that is progress if you just fresh started that is progress because you have a lot of learning that you've now booked, and that will go into your next budget. If you just told your kid yesterday. No, because that's not in the budget that's progress. And if your kid set all of that's right. That's progress. If you the same thing with your significant other, that's progress, and if they did it back to you a week later that is progress if your Bank account balance is going up on the whole lissome ebbs and flows. That's. Progress in Fidel has going down that is progress if debt is going down. Well, your cash balances going up because you're also saving for true expenses. So you don't go back into debt that is progress if you're telling other people about wine, that's progress, and if they're getting converted that is progress if you're finding that it's easier and easier to budget that is progress. And if you're finding that it's quicker to budget than ever before that's progress. If you're finding that you are just super excited to budget, the next paycheck, that's gonna land tomorrow, that's progress, and if you're excited about the fact that you can roll with the punches that's progress. If you're excited that you didn't overspend in any category by some fluke, because we don't measure it in that way a success or not that's progress. Just because you're excited about budgeting my word if you're starting to think about investing because the debts paid off. Whoo, that is progress. And if the debt is being ratcheted down, as I mentioned before, that's definitely progress. What if it's? Really slow that's progress. What if you started looking at ways to make more money to accelerate your debt pay down, I'd say that's progress, and what if instead of going out to eat, you stayed at home, because it wasn't in the budget, I would say that is progress, maybe adopted intermittent fasting just for last night, because you didn't have to go out to eat or cook. I'd say that's progress, unless you gotta heavy workout in the morning carb up somehow. If your kids are used to you sitting there at the computer for a few minutes, every morning because you just wanna make sure everything's reconcile the bounce. I'd say that is progress. And if you checked your phone before you committed to spending something at a store at definitely progress. If you recorded a receipt on your phone while at the point of sale, I would say that progress, and if the cashier told you that they also use wine app than I will say, on my behalf that sounds like progress, you can measure progress, a whole lot of ways, and it's an auto always with the net worth. And it's not always about you either are in debt or you aren't there are these little tiny steps these little progressions that you're making every single day. And they can't they really do count until next time following for rules. And you will win financially. You've never budgeted like this. Hey, everyone. Did you know that unit a budget is a book to if you're looking for a wealth of inspiring, success stories, and guidance about how to use one 'em's four rules to make your money work for you? It's a must read pick up your copy at wctcam dot com slash book.

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The View from Havana: Former Top U.S. Diplomat in Cuba Vicki Huddleston

Intelligence Matters

41:27 min | 1 year ago

The View from Havana: Former Top U.S. Diplomat in Cuba Vicki Huddleston

"This is the intelligence matters podcast with former acting director of the CIA Mike Morell sponsored by Raytheon. Let me just say I about Tillerson, it's hard to fathom what happened because he was a very experienced man in a very high position he'd been all over the world. So why didn't clear understand in? Appreciate better. What the State Department was trying to do. The present secretary is doing better, but the State Department I think is still in a position which has been severely weakened by Tillerson. And it's still we because essentially to have a president debt calls the shock. You say there's a contradiction that haunts our relationship with Cuba our policy, which for the most part with some exceptions. We have had a punitive policy against Cuba. The results of this punitive policy other than the fact that it obviously failed for fifty eight years because Cuba leadership and government has not changed in. The least is that he gives Cuba a threat. So if you have a threat from the most powerful country in the world, that's one reason you can explained why the economy isn't working. Vicki Huddleston is a retired career foreign service officer who served as the US ambassador to Madagascar Mali. Most interestingly Vicky was chief of the US intersection in Havana from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand two and was earlier the deputy and then the coordinator of the office of Cuban affairs. The department of state last year. Vicki published are woman in Havana. A diplomats chronicle of America's long struggle with Castro's Cuba Irish only had a chance to sit down with Vicky to discuss her experiencing Cuba, her book and the complexities of US Cuban relations. We'll be right back with that discussion after a word from our exclusive sponsor Raytheon I Mike morale, and this is intelligence matters. From end to end cyber security to high energy lasers to quantum computers way. The on is there advancing technologies that protect people information and infrastructure Raytheon making the world a safer place. Vicky welcome to the show. It is great to have you on intelligence matters. I'm delighted to be here. Thank you. So the want our listeners to know that in every job that you had in government. You're a great partner to the CIA. And I want people to know that your book are women in Havana diplomats chronicle of our long struggle with Castro's. Cuba is absolutely terrific. How people should get on Amazon and order it. It's a great read. I think for anybody interested in the State Department anybody interested in diplomacy, and certainly anybody interested in Cuba. I'd love to start the by taking you back to Havana when you were when you lead the US intersection there now the US embassy, and at one point the intelligence community was absolutely convinced that someone was getting into the intersection at night. Can you tell us that story? I'd love to because I always see. This is the Spidey or the Spiderman story, so there were these leaks that were happening continually of information, and it appeared to becoming out of Havana where these leaks were, but they were leaks of information of highly sensitive material, not just on Cuba. But on other countries in the world, most notably Russia, and so the intelligence community present in Havana had been told you have to have somebody stay in your offices every night because they thought somebody from the Cuban intelligence or might be in. And I said to the chief of the intelligence community. That's not possible. Look, it's a glass building there's marines. You have a huge safe door. It's not possible. And he looked at me sort of sheepish -ly like we are. Right. But he said my bosses are. Are not buying this. So every night people would sleep there, and the intelligence community would send down people to do this on temporary duty and two sleepers to sleep this sleep to PISA sleepers. I love this. So one of the people they sent went to this hotel, the Rivera hotel, and I think people like to stay there because it was inexpensive. But it was like the place most surveilled by Cuban intelligence, you you would walk in there. Once I went stayed there. Every other person in the hotel had a white bar was smoking a cigarette and looking at you at a strange way, and one of the sleepers was not I guess she got psyched out, and she didn't come to work. She that evening to sleep. And we found her in a bathtub, you know, kind of had completely lost. Because of all the rest was her. Security and the stress and probably she'd been sent to this easy duty, which you know, you sleep through. And so we sent her home when I said to the chief of the section. Well, I think this is enough. He said, no, I said, you know, there's no Spidey here. But it's still continued in tell Anna bellum Monte is the most senior government spy that we've ever found was discovered working for the Cuban be working for the Cubans. Never paid just did it because she felt that US policy was wrong. And she decided to do something which unfortunately was betraying her country. And that was where the leaks were come. So she was the one in there. She was in Washington, I see at NSA national security agency and. And of course, nobody was getting into the intelligence communities offices. We were looking. Yeah. Anybody would've realized I think had the the top bosses come down. They would have seen. It was impossible. Great story. Okay. Vicki your career. You started in the peace corps had State Department assignments all over Africa. Some in Latin America had senior assignments at state related to both areas and even served a stint as a senior officer of the department of defense outside of your service in Cuba, which I imagine it's kind of special special enough to read a book about it. What was your other favorite jobs in your career Ethiopia, which was I was Shahri Ethiopia during a period when there wasn't an ambassador there? It had been right after the opiate had really their first democrat elections, but the opposition cried foul things were very tense and restraint riots. And for me. It was a really exciting time because I had the opportunity to. Work with the year opean ambassadors and the European Union and craft a compromise between the the Ethiopian government and the opposition which lasted for about six months, and then everything fell apart in on. Let me ask you a question. Vicky about the State Department itself it had a rough go of it with secretary Tillerson. I I still don't understand what happened there. How do you think? My Pompeo is doing at repairing some of that damage. What are you hear from your network on? How how Mike is doing? Well, let me just say I about Tillerson, I agree with you it it's hard to fathom what happened because he was a very experienced man in a very high position he'd been all over the world. So why didn't he understand in appreciate better with the State Department was trying to? Do in any case. He didn't he loud forty percent of the senior service to quit or or be fired. He cur tailed employment of families, which is extremely important. So it really demoralized the institution. The present secretary is doing better, we're hiring. Again. There's entry classes they're not mass resignations. Are. We though we had a nation not long ago from this secretary for European affairs, actually, a believe a political appointee. So and I see that a lot of foreign service. Officers are not a lot quite a few are being confirmed ambassadorial positions. But the question is how much can you make up in a brief time, and I would say he's on the right track. But the State Department I think is still in a position in which has been severely weakened by Tillerson, and it's still weak because essentially you have a president that calls the shots and the president announces those publicly and by tweet, and then maybe a few days later, Connor Dixit. And also, it seems to me that we're we're at a time where the idea of a Liberal International order that obeys or pushes the United States, the international laws international institutions, that's no longer seemingly the mission of the State Department. So. Substantively? I believe they're weakened as well. Vicki wanna switch gears a little bit and take a deep dive on Cuba. And maybe the place to start is with Fidel Castro himself. You've met him. Of course, can you tell us the first time you met him. Can you tell us about that is it's a time? All never forget. I had gone down to Cuba with a delegation from the State Department. The delegation was led by the Africa bureau because they were going to Cuba to celebrate. The fact that Cuba had removed from end goal of fifty thousand troops. It's hard to imagine this little island with fifty thousand troops. Plus, it's equipment tanks makes the whole thing. The Soviet Union actually had done the transport for the Cubans in both directions. This agreement behind the scene was essentially negotiated by Chester. Walker who was the Sistan secretary of Africa for president Ronald Reagan. So it was a Republican administration initiative to essentially remove Cuba's presence from Africa. And at that time that was the number one issue if we can get Cuba out of Africa. Maybe we can normalize relations. So by this time for the celebration because it took several years to remove all the troops. It was H W Bush. So it was his administration that I would down for along with the Africa delegation, and there's a large treaty signing Castro is there, and and believe it or not he has on a bulletproof vest. And you know, here it is with like two hundred diplomats. And so I didn't see any danger for him. But I think maybe it was vanity, you know, he's bigger already than most. Cubans, but this Begum even bigger and he likes to be the main presence in the room. So after the signing of the treaties in which he was not the center of attention. He headed for me. I think because he wanted to reclaim his rightful place as the most important person than American here. I'm the scene. Well, I'm the senior Cuban American. I'm the person in charge of Cuban affairs, because I'm the director of Cuban affairs at the department of state. The most senior person in the room was actually headed a delegation assistant secretary jeopardy's secretary for Africa, anyway, so Fidel gets overcharge delegation. He kind of blows off the senior person who's the Africa personally comes up to me. And he says in a very loud voice, who are you someone spouse? And I am. I'm so insulted because I know he knows who I am. I been to cube of four I had just been promoted from the deputy to the director of Tuban affairs. So I stand up tall and not very tall about five five. And I say, no, I'm the director of Cuban affairs, and Kester sort of gets this smirk. He looks around all the guests are quiet, and he says, oh, I thought I was and I thought I was director of human affairs. That's great Vicky. You say something in your book. That is really really interesting. I think you say there's a contradiction that haunts our relationship with Cuba. Can you tell our listeners, which which you mean by that well our policy which for the most part with some exceptions briefly with Carter briefly with. And most notably with President Obama which went on for two years. His opening we have had a punitive policy against Cuba. The results of this punitive policy other than the fact that it's obviously failed for fifty eight years because Cuba leadership and government has not changed in. The least is that he gives Cuba a threat. The United States becomes a threat against the leaders of Cuba, most notably at that time. Fidel Castro an excuse to clamp down politically. And it also provides the excuse and has for a very long time for the mini economic ills of Cuba because this is not an efficient economic system. And so if you have a threat from the most powerful country in the world, that's one reason you can explain why the economy isn't working. I agree with you. I I agree with you a hundred percent. So that brings us to why the policy is what it has been right. And that's domestic politics here. Can you talk about that? And I think you you talked about it a little bit in your book as America being entangled in a Cuban family. Feud is is the way you put it fascinating to me, which really is the case When Cubans left, Cuba, a significant portion of the Cuban intelligence intelligentsia, the professional class, the landowners left, Cuba, a massive massive migration. Over say five years initially to the United States so cast a really turnover completely the society. So these Cuban Americans mostly ended up in the Florida area and became Americans and they became prosperous. And successful. And the first thing they did that was notable in US Cuban relations as they formed a Cuban American National association, and it was led by a very Chris Matic Cuban who sort of the MIR opposite of Fidel Castro or HAMAs Canosa, and they were extremely effective in demanding that the US policy Honey skua, and the interesting thing is every president beginning with Kennedy because Kennedy had he not been assassinated would probably have changed the policy toward Cuba. He was talking about it and every president has to some degree during his tenure tried to open and every time Cuban-Americans have successfully helped to end that opening. So I was when the Soviet Union fell that evening, I was telling you about. And the Cubans had returned the fifty thousand troops to Cuba Fidel, and I had a subsequent conversation. And which she saying how long are you going to maintain this embargo? This is hurting Cuban children. We can't even by an aspirin. He was a jury thing, but he was very concerned because just at that moment as the Soviet Union is withdrawing five billion dollars annually in subsidy as Soviet troops are leaving the country. So they no longer have that little cushion of security. He's hoping that at least the United States won't titan in Bargo after all his done. What the Reagan and Bush administrations wanted him to do and lived up to their withdrew his troops has the demographic change in the Cuban-American community dampened political pressure any or is it. What it always has been. Well, one would have thought in this case the reward when I was talking about when the Soviet Union collapsed. The reward was for Castro. We tightened the embargo. That was the first legislation that Cuba democracy AC which prevented US subsidiaries from trading with Huber. And since those subsidiaries that been selling food and medicine to Cuba, it contributed to the suffering of the Cuban people during the special period time apiece, and it was true. Suffering Cuban-American opinion began to change with more and more Cubans coming since the initial migration both in the eighties and then in ninety four another mass migration humans began to. Be in favor of some kind of engagement by the time. President Obama in twenty fifteen decided to go toward an opening the majority of Cuban Americans were in favor of engagement, but the most powerful Cuban Americans, and those are generally Republican did not. So here you have. Obama with his opening more Americans coming down more trade more investment. Cubans are delighted I've been the Cubans in the street are getting money from tourism from opening their homes and renting their rooms. There's really a feeling of hope and then President Trump who initially didn't have much to say on Cuba and had previously sent his staff some years before his candidacy to Cuba to look at the possibility of a hotel Trump or Trump of Anna, suddenly changes his position at the behest of conservative human Americans and says, okay, I'm going to turn back go bomb initiative, and when he gets in office, he does he cancels Obama's national security directive indicating that US government agencies to cooperate with Cuba. We're going to take a quick break to hear from our sponsor, then we'll be right back with more of our discussion. But Vicki Huddleston. Do you hear that? That's the calm before the storm. And when the storm makes landfall we'll be ready for it. Thanks in part to Raytheon weather satellites part of a suite of space solutions, delivering critical data when it's needed most from nexgen imaging to breakthrough missile warning systems. Raytheon is going farther seeing clearer and putting ideas in orbit to make the world a safer place. So Vicki when you were US principal officer in Havana, the Elian Gonzalez issue exploded on the TV screens of America, walk us through what that was like from your perspective. It was amazing. It truly was amazing. I remember let's say about a week after the Elian saga begin. You might say I was coming to work, and we should just I'm very quickly. Tell people what it was. Because maybe everybody little Darlie cute Cuban boy, he's five years old. He gets in a boat with eleven people, including his mother and her boyfriend the boat sinks about thirty five miles off the coast of Florida, his mother and her boyfriend tie him to an inner tube. They both drowned as does everyone else other than Elian and another couple that end up far separated from L. Elian but wash up on Florida shores subsequently to fishermen are out on Thanksgiving Day, and they see bobbing along something it looks like in an inner tube. And as they get closer, they realize that there is a child tied this enter to one man dives over war. Yes. The child calls the coastguard and Elliott arrives in the United States. His relatives are informed. And at first they say, they're going to return him because his father calls immediately Elian causes father are call us arrange fathers back in Cuba and his fathers in cardinals. Cuba, works in a little restaurant that caters basically to Cubans but also to or sauna budget and his whole family. I mean, it is his is the father's family, not the mother's family. Are there in Havana? And he says, you know, heap L. For me. I'm coming up pick him up while the Cuban American National association is now headed by hor hayman's, canosa's son, or hey, Masan does in this is his chance to prove that he's just as tough as his father. He can keep this harsh policy toward Cuba. And the Cuban American National association is not at all happy with Clinton who has been trying to open up toward Cuba. This is nineteen ninety nine. It's just at the end of Clinton's ten year. And he's restarted people. Do people traveled things like that as so the Cuban American National association makes this into a huge deal. They're drawing by all sorts of Cuban exile groups, and they demand that Elian stay in the United States. President Clinton makes the decision along with Janet Reno that the child should be returned to his family. This is international law. If one parent is living than the child returns to the parent as long as they're not abusive, and we had immigration naturalization interview, the family twice, and it was clear that he was a good father that he had extended family, and that would be presumably the right place for the child, but the Cuban Americans. It was like Elian was a little piece of Cuba. He kind of represented to them everything they had lost. In addition, many Cubans were Peter Pan that was a group of Cuban children that the Catholic church had helped send to the United States because their parents were afraid they might be sent to the Soviet Union to be indoctrinated. So there were just all sorts of emotional things going on but Clinton decides to send him back. But every time he's ready to send it back. Back. There's a huge crowd around Elion where Elian staying with his uncle and young lady, very sleeps who was helping to take care of him and the saga just goes on and on Janet Reno postpones, his return postpones it again hopes for a settlement the US congress makes an initiative they're going to either make him a citizen or permanent residents at that point Elian grandmothers come to the states and see him, and it's not a very good meeting. But it derails that effort in the end, Janet, Reno Justice and immigration raid, the house for Elian stay, and of course, there's the famous picture of this fully armored agent with the long gun. You know, right. Standing there. Looking at this frightened Sheild in arms of one of the fishermen. Actually rescued him. But then I like to say there was the subsequent pitcher photograph of Elian in the arms of his father one male. And you know was clearly the right place for the child to be for a six year old child, but it was heart wrenching for the Cuban Americans and they got retaliation. So Clinton had gotten about thirty percent of Cuban American votes it in his reelection Al Gore got eighteen percent. Now, if you recall, Florida was in dispute if Florida had gone to who or he would have won got those forty percent rather than eighteen in might have warned Florida twenty percent. I think Florida was like five hundred vote, and you believe because of all. Bacchus the the Cuban organizations had L Voto Costanzo the punishment vote. And that was funny fascinating on Vicki one more issue from your time in Havana, I wanna talk to you about and that's the visit of former president Carter and the attempts by our current national security adviser John Bolton to sabotage that trip. What happened that was the first indication that? The a certain faction within the Bush administration were extremely unhappy with how Cuba policy had gone. What had happened is when President Bush became president the policy didn't change much to my delight. And I tried to keep it that way. And as a result, Cuba was buying more agricultural goods than every before. More Americans were coming down. There were like two thousand Americans came and just a month of January and more than that Hugo. Fidel Castro personally were helpful with the security of the unlawful combatants at long tunnel base. Everybody expected that Castro would denounce that. Instead, he said, oh, the Americans will do what they want. And he cooperated with us on land in C security for the placement of unlawful combatants, which is you know, you might think. That is pretty amazing because there's probably very puke countries in the world. Would have been even willing to accept them in any case. The Cuban Americans were while they were very worried about that. Because they were sure sometime to deal at been made with the administration it hadn't, but they were demanding a return to a harsher policy, and by may twenty which is the Cuban independence day, hundreds independence, then in two thousand two of Cuban independence Bush gave his speech to the Cuban Americans in Florida. This is George W Bush, and it was sort of a carrot and stick speech that if Cuba does has elections free and fair international observe -ation. Then a we might consider certain modification will this enrage congressman DS Balart, his father who's very prominent now deceased in the human American community and at that point Bush backed away. Away from not changing, the previous Clinton policy and begin to change it. And that's when the Bush administration begin to tighten up on the embargo the rhetoric wind up and they formed adventure commission for a free Cuba. And of course, what you saw in mmediately in response. Accua begins the clamp down on the dissidents on the eve, our var- invasion of Iraq, Castro throw seventy five dissidents in jail for terms like twenty years, many of who had known was friends with because there's no longer any advantage for Cuba to remain engaged with the United States. And that actually is what we're beginning to see right now once again with the Trump administration. So the the reason the backgrounds important is that so John Bolton is pushing hard. For President Bush to change his policy, and he is a deputy assistant secretary at the State Department. So Carter gets all these briefings from the CIA from the State Department. Nobody mentions anything about Gubbio MD weapons of mass destruction. But one week before Carter goes to Cuba. John bull goes American Enterprise Institute, and Jonathan's point is is that the State Department is at the State Department. He's guilty under secretary of state and his job is basically, overseeing assistance and political military affairs. And he tells his audience that Cuba is sharing chemical weapons with rogue countries in. It's completely untrue. Carter is have -solutely furious. He said nobody briefed me on this. Nobody mentioned it. So as soon as Carter gets chemical weapons. Biological. It was you're right. It was by far. Yeah. Yeah. Biological weapons. Carter goes to the lab talks to the Cuban scientists, they assured him they always followed the protocols, and in fact, when I was briefed before I went to Cuba. I was briefed that Cuban did not list not manufacturing biological weapons and was not acting in a in a row way. But bulletin clearly did it to undermine Carter's visit which was too bad because that got everyone looking at this issue, which was a fall tissue when what Carter actually did which was so important and in annoyed Castro. No end is in front of Castro at the university of Havana in speech that was televised and on the radio so that every Cuban could hear it Carter called for Fidel Castro to allow a referendum on the cube. When constitution because there had been this human rights activists Volvo prior project Varela who had gotten over eleven thousand signatures asking that there be a referendum on the Cuban constitution, and that was really really the important issue. But a lot of it was overlooked because of Bolton's Acushnet a huge clash between Bolton and the intelligence community. Didn't have any evidence of the Cubans being involved in biological weapons. Either. When I ask about Cuba's relationship with Venezuela, given where we are today with Venezuela, and the support that the Cubans have given over the years to to the Chinese government in the Madero government. What's Cuba's interests there? Why did they do it? What you expect him to do? Now, given given where we are with what's going on in Venezuela in a very difficult and serious place right now, which could very well lead onto confrontation with Cuba. And I think definitely will lead on to confrontation with Vince Walea. But the good thing about Venezuela is we have the support of many Latin American governments so Cuba has always supported leftist governments in Latin America, notably Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua. And most recently Venezuela Venezuela's provided Cuba. Ah with subsidized oil, very cheap oil, which is enough for its internal use. Plus allows them to sell some abroad, which brings foreign exchange to Cuba. So it's really important ally. China this was close to Fidel Castro and that relationship also has endured through role Castro and now the new president of Cuba guess canal. So you said, you know, that that that you could see possibly leading to conflict of some sort between the United States and Cuba. How would that play out right now, the critics of Cuba who wanna harsher policy, which is actually being put in place? We can talk about a little bit one of the issues. They're pointing to is the fact that Cuba has advisors. Lots of doctors, of course, in exchange for the oil, Cuba, sent doctors to Vince. Well. But it also has advisors in Venezuela of all sorts, and stripes and also Cuba's relationship with Vince Walea has facilitated a greater presence of Russia in Venezuela. So as we push with other Latin Americans too. Sima Darrow step down. You have the Cubans. You have the Russians, you know, advising him not to step down. And I don't see that the administration at this point is trying to arrange a soft landing which actually is the only way out because Madero and the military because the only way Madero is going to be overthrown. It's not going to be like the people rise up is when the military turns against him. But in order to get this. They have to be assured of some kind of soft landing. So Vicki President Obama made a very significant opening President Trump has stepped back from that. And you just mentioned the policies getting harsher where do you see the relationship going forward? I believe in. I think most Cuba watchers and experts on Cuba believe the policy is now regime change for Cuba as well. As of course, other countries in the world. Such as well, not just fence away la-, but Iran. As you mentioned, and we chatted about John Bolton is absolutely opposed to Cuba and was. In the Bush administration spearheading a tougher policy toward Cuba now that John Bolton's at the national Security Council. He's doing the same. He went recently in the early January to Freedom House in Miami. And he gave a speech in which he essentially outlined a new Trump policy toward Cuba. Trump had cancelled Obama's policy, but he hadn't rolled it back. Very far Americans are still going down. Although they were restricted on where they could stay trade investment had slowed. But in Bolton speech, he indicated that there would be harsher Masur's coming now secretary of state Pohnpei, oh instead of recommending the waiver of what we call titled three which is the provisions of Helms-Burton or the cube. Liberty and Solidarity Act. The second tightening of the embargo that was passed in nineteen ninety six against Cuba. He waved it for only forty five days the president way for only forty five days at the secretary of state's recommendation and now they're reviewing whether they'll let it go into effect since the lawless past every president has waived twice a year because we are so concerned about the extra Torah to'real Lee reach of allowing Americans and Cuban Americans who were Cubans at the time of the taking to sue foreign companies that are operating on expropriated property. So the courts could be filled with lawsuits against companies such as Melja or other companies working in the production of sugarcane say and Cuba. Anyone who is operating a business that might have been on property ex-propriating from private Cuban citizens or American citizens, the most damaging part of this is that it's going to make companies that are considering investment in Cuba hesitate, and probably not invest in the end result of this is not only a harsher policy, but Cubans are already in increasingly precarious situation. Betta sins are scares even food is scarce. But the thing that it does more than anything else. It will continue to push Cuba in the direction of Russia and China at already according to a friend of mine who was just there a few months ago. Russians are all over. It's like Russia has come back to the hemisphere. The property originated in the Cold War. And it's now returned to something similar or is returning. Should this provisions? Go into effect to the Cold War once in Vicky. Thank you so much for joining us. I just got a big education on Cuba. I think our listeners to to. It was great great to have you on the show. Let's thank you my. Well, I really enjoyed it. And I you know, I just I feel so strongly about Cuba. And I feel so strongly that engagement worked human rights were getting better Cubans were having an opportunity to create their own businesses earn some money travel more. And now it says if everything's been turned with the hope that somehow by hurting the human people more they'll rise up and overturn the Cuban government. We didn't happen. Opposite right sustained. It's it's sustains the government aid them into the arms of our competitors. Thank you so much. That was Vicki Huddleston. I'm Mike Morell. Please. Join us next week for another episode of intelligence matters. This has been the intelligence matters podcast with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morell. 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"Some stories are lost to time. Still others remain hidden waiting for someone to dig them up. And then there are the stories that gained popularity through the books and movies that tell them not every story it's made into a movie, of course. But sometimes there's the opposite stories that are told in movies, not once but many times over. That's the kind of story that we're going to look at today. Speaking of today, looking at the calendar today is eight, two thousand eighteen. That means it was exactly fifty one years ago today that revolutionary leader of our was captured while some people never get their story turned into a film there. Several movies we could pick from to learn about shea. We could cover nineteen Ninety-seven l. Che or two thousand four is the motorcycle diaries. The movie named after a memoir of the real chair of our wrote as a twenty three year old before rising revolutionary fame. Probably one of the more historic. Accurate versions of chase life that we saw screen was the two thousand eight film by seen Soderbergh simply called chain that version with stars benico del Toro as of our was broken into two parts. Thanks to its total run time of two hundred and fifty seven minutes about four and a half hours, but sometimes it makes bear story to look at movies that aren't as historically accurate. And to be completely honest producing a podcast for one movie takes a lot less time than covering to movies and for a peek behind the scenes, watching a one and a half hour, long movie. The one that we're going to be covering today still took me four and a half hours to watch as I wrote twenty three pages of notes, so we can only imagine what it must be like to try to do to movies if we tried to cover the two thousand eight film by Steven Soderbergh actually to films by Steven Soderbergh. So instead today we're going to look at the movie directed by Richard Fleischer and release. Just a couple years after died. A movie also called j except if unless you're reading the transcript for this episode, you probably can't tell there's an exclamation point. So it's not two thousand eight's has much as a much more exciting version with the exclamation point nineteen sixty nine's chain. Dan, the fab, and this is based on a true story. Before we start our story today, let's set up our game to truth and a lie. If you knew the show, here's how it works. I'm about to say three things. Two of them are true, which means one of them is ally. Are you ready? Okay. Here they are. Number one take Vara was an architect before his life as a guerrilla revolutionary. Never. Two. Unlike Fidel Castro. Chega VAR was not born in Cuba. Number three chain was a nickname. His real name was Nesto Guevarra. Got him. Okay. Now, as you're listening to our story today, you'll find the two facts scattered somewhere throughout the episode. And then by simple process of elimination, you'll know which one is alive. And of course, we'll do a recap at the end of the episode to see how you did one last thing real quick. If you ever wanted to get more based on a true story, you can buy helping to support the show. It's on a pay what you want model or so a dollar five dollars a month. It's really the choices up to you. And then as a way of saying, thanks for your support, you'll get access to all of the bonus episodes. Some weeks there supplemental material to these falling episodes and others. They're just fun. Little mini. So's where we take a look at how history is portrayed in an entirely fictional movie like pirates of the Caribbean, the Rocketeer or just last week. We looked at Jurassic Park Duplan more about that at based on a true story podcast dot com. Slash support what's again, that's based on a true story. Podcast dot. Com slash support. And now let's learn more about the man who's revolutionary dreams came to a violent end fifty one years ago today by comparing history with nineteen sixty nine's chair. Chair. The movie begins with a close up of of our. He's lying on a table of some sort staring straight at the camera. Then we see in bright red tax credits. Begin Omar Sharif stars as Jack Palance as Fidel Castro. The credit stop and around here is when you start to notice that Omar Sharif version of Che is still staring at the screen. He hasn't blinked. Is he dead? Then we hear chase voice over. Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battlecry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up arms and quote. That is a real quote from shake Vara and in the movie. It's what we hear as uniform men enter the room, which as lying he is dead. The men take his body and put it in a helicopter. Well, maybe in is a bit of a stretch. It's put on the side of small chopper and then strapped down. So they'll stay there during the trip. After this opening scene, we see Jack plants version of Fidel Castro landing on a beach with him are a bunch of uniform soldiers. Then as they're walking the countryside, we see Omar Sharif version of Che, he sweating profusely and falling behind from the other soldiers as he's gasping for breath. When Castro scold him for falling behind Jay jokes that he's not falling behind the rear guard as you can probably guess which being alive here the movies, taking us back in time from the opening sequence where we saw his body. However, the movie doesn't give us any sort of indication of timing for the landing on the beach with the movie is showing here is when Fidel Castro and shave our arrived in Cuba to start a revolution, although I highly doubt it looked like what we saw in the film. However, because the movie doesn't give any sort of indication of timing. We'll have to look through history to know when this happened, that date would be nineteen fifty six or more specifically. They made their way to Cuba on November twenty. Fifth, nineteen fifty six butts. If you're like me right around here, you're wondering, wait a minute. Why were Fidel Castro and take our arriving in Cuba together with soldiers where they invading? Where were they coming from? The movie doesn't really mention much chase life before arriving on the beach. So let's take a few moments to kinda hot back to chase early days. Chait was born as Ernest Ogwara on June fourteenth nineteen twenty eight in Rosero Argentina. His nickname didn't come until later in life because really how much or Nesta used the word in conversation. It's sort of like saying, hey, but since chase father's name was also Nesto for the sake of clarity. In this episode, we'll just call the younger Ernest of Che throughout this entire episode. It's also worth pointing out that June fourteenth is the date on his birth certificate author. Jon Lee Anderson has uncovered some facts about chase life in his definitive biography call. Chega VAR revolutionary life. And one of those was something that chase mother Celia had kept secret for decades after chase birth. He wasn't born on June fourteenth. He was born on may fourteenth, but you see, that would have meant that she would have already been pregnant when she married or Nesto chase, father, even though chase parents weren't devout Catholics. There was a lot of social pressure with the very traditional Catholic believers around them. So getting pregnant before being married was found upon with the help of family friend who happened to be the doctor. Chase birthday was changed from may fourteenth to June fourteenth to cover up this little bit of information Chait had four siblings, two sisters, Celia Ann, Anna, Maria, and two brothers. One Martin and Roberto as a child chair developed asthma for days on end has asthma would come in spurts that would force him to stay home from school. During this time, it was common to either find his mother tutoring him or to find shea knows deep in another. Book. All of this time helped develop a love of reading that would become a lifelong pursuit of knowledge. It certainly helped chase family was middle class family. They didn't always have money, but they weren't nearly as poor as many people around them. That natural curiosity grew along with Jay. He was seventeen when World War Two came to a close in nineteen forty five. And it was then that he started to realize just how poor some of the people around him were. In particular, that realization took place during a pair of long. Motorcycle trips. The first was a two thousand eight hundred mile trek through northern Argentina in nineteen fifty the following year he embarked on a longer journey with one of his friends. I'll Burt, oh, we learned a bit about this. In the introduction to this episode. You can read more about this and chase dire that he kept during the trip called the motorcycle diaries in two thousand four. That was turned into a movie from chase diary. It was during these trips that chase started to realize the life. He lived in a middle class. Family wasn't anything. Like what many others were living. He and verte volunteered at a leper colony and visited a Chilean copper. Mine run by American companies who use what amounted to slave labor and everything, but the name to make the mines owners rich. Then there was the couple shivering in the desert night because they couldn't afford a blanket as chair, talked with the couple. They explained that they were communist and in Chile where they were at this point, the communist party had been outlawed in the capitalist society. This encounter had a profound effect on him because he realized he was traveling with his friend and what amounted to vacation. And yet here were these people who are literally dying of cold because of their beliefs in all chain and Birtles trip around South America in nineteen fifty. One lasted nine months and took them about five thousand miles or eight thousand kilometers around the continent. The more he learned about what was going on in the world around him, the more he came across capitalist. Greed from the United States at the root of it. These experiences started to have an impact on his own beliefs that shape was forming in his early twenties. This was confirmed when shave visited the United States briefly in the summer of nineteen fifty two after Burto got a job in a leper cerium in Venezuela. The plan was to finish his degree in medicine and join Berta there together. The pair would work to help others in leper, cerium while they saved up money for another trip without borough headed to his new job Chait flew to Miami to help transport his uncle's racehorses from series to Miami. The airplane has technical problems on the return trip though. And she was forced to stay in Miami for a few days with friends relative while he was in the United States. His views on the US didn't improve. He had run ins with the police and saw blatant racism from whites against blacks. Again, this was an experience that had an impact on chase view of the world, but his own beliefs were still forming. He. Hadn't quite formed into the Marxist that he would become. Chain went back to school officially becoming Dr Nesto Guevarra in nineteen fifty. Three after graduating Chait was offered a respectable job to begin his career as a doctor doing research into allergies, something he'd already been doing during his time, earning his degree. There's actually a scientific paper published in nineteen fifty one with his name on it, but Chait turn down the job offer. He wanted to see much peach and travel around South America. So he did along with one of his friends visited countries like Chile, Peru, and Bolivia. He saw a lot of things, but one thing that suck with him was a tin mine he toured in Bolivia. The workers showed shea where the tin mines administration had set up machine guns pointed toward the mines. They would shoot the miners and their families. If they tried to leave those guns weren't there when shake their, though the miners had revolted. And by the time, chase got there, the minds were run by the state. Things were better, but still not great. There were people living in absolute poverty. There were extraordinarily wealthy people. There wasn't a lot of in between not coincidentally, the extremely wealthy were often the people who ran the mines. The poor worked in. As Chait learned during World War Two, the United States had bought up a lot of ten that made them one of the largest holders of ten stocks in the world which meant they could control the price of tin. Should they decide to start selling it off the US used this power to control the believe in government, which made most of their money off ten and similar mind resources. There was immense pressure from the American government for the Bolivia in government to be friendly to American companies and policies. This was another moment that went into chase Bank of evidence against the United States imperialism in Latin America. The American companies and government enjoyed controlling the low prices for the resources coming out of Bolivia. And they didn't seem to care about the poor Bolivia and families who suffered at the hand of those in power to give them that price continued his travels going from Costa Rica to Guatemala as he looked for work. But he never worked consistently in nineteen fifty four while in Guatemala, he supported himself with some odd jobs. Then something big happened that would change chase life around this time was the peak of the Guatemalan revolution that started in nineteen forty four and in nineteen fifty. One, the former minister of national defence Hakko Arbenz became president, but not everyone in Guatemala liked him in particular, American run company called the United fruit company that had a massive impact in central and South America as it provided fruit to the United States didn't like his politics. They lobbied to the United States government to get involved in overthrow the Guatemalan President. So they did in June of nineteen fifty four. The Central Intelligence Agency of the United States launched a secret mission to resolve the situation in Guatemala. At least as far as the interests of the US were concerned. The Khuda tol resulted in president Arbenz being overthrown and put an end to the Guatemalan revolution. That's a brief overview of those events. But as you. Guess there's a lot more to that story, but that's a story for another day. If you want to learn more about that checkout, Dan Coppola book called banana. The fate of the fruit that changed the world for our story today as all this political unrest took place Checa VAR decided to take action. He started researching more and got involved in political activities, including making political minded friends. This experience in Guatemala sparked a few key things for not the least of which was his first experience with violence. This happened while chair was in Guatemala City and the CIA back mercenaries bombed. The city that ground was shaking. Life-threatening explosions nearby gave Cheo rush. He'd never felt before after his previous experiences, the beliefs that were forming began to solidify as he saw the effects of the US involvement in the country. It was the final straw for he became convinced during the Guatemalan coup that he needed to fight. Against imperialism in particular, the imperialism of the United States and their influence over Latin American countries. But as it turns out, the doctor from Argentina would not have a major impact on the revolution in Guatemala and the summer of nineteen fifty four. The coup in Guatemala came to an end with president Arbenz being forced to step down in his place, the US backed the military dictator, Carlos Castilla Armus chainsaw firsthand would defeat look like as he and in the wake of the power change. The communist party was banned like many other foreign nationals in Guatemala at the time who had participated in the revolution, Che was forced to seek out the safety of their embassy for j. Of course, that meant Argentina's embassy from there. He was allowed safe passage to Mexico. The revolution in Guatemala was over for change, but another one was about to begin. It was while he was in Mexico that Chaim it up with another major character to the movie. Fidel Castro. As we learned earlier, he's played by Jack Palance in the movie while Fidel's brother Raul is played in a much smaller role by Paul Toya in the film in truth, though. Raoul was also one of the leaders of the revolution alongside his brother Fidel Fidel met one fateful night into lie of nineteen fifty five and the two hit it off right away. Chait would later write this in his journal. I talked all night with Fidel and in the morning I had become the doctor of his new expedition to tell the truth after my experiences across Latin America, I didn't need much more to enlist for a revolution against tyrant, but I was particularly impressed with Fidel. I shared his optimism we needed to act to struggle to materialize our beliefs, stop, whining and fight. So change on Fidel Castro's movement, which was called the twenty six of July movement that name came about before. Hey, was ever involved when as a young man Fidel Castro leading attack on them. Mocatta army barracks in Santiago. Cuba that happened on July twenty sixth nineteen fifty three, and it was what most historians consider the beginning of the Cuban revolution. Fidel later decided to name his movement after the date to remember the first spark that kicked it off. It also was the reason why Fidel Castro was imprisoned sentenced to fifteen years, but only serving two of them before being released and then moving to Mexico to rethink his strategy after joining the twenty sixth of July movement, Chepe poured even more time into books, reading the works of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and almost any book about economics that he could get his hands on. If the revolution in Cuba were to be a success, they need to lead a new country raising a small army on November twenty fifth nineteen fifty six Fidel Castro Cheik VAR an eighty. Other men left Mexico aboard a yacht called grandma to arrive in Cuba which they did when they landed on December second nineteen, fifty six. And so with all of that back story to the point where we can pick back up the timeline of our movie today, the landing in Cuba is one of the first times we see Fidel chained together in the film. Of course, we see them arriving in rafts, not the yacht, but then again, the arrival into Cuba didn't really go as planned for Fidel. They were supposed to meet up with another revolt in Santiago on the southeast side of Cuba, near their one hundred men were supposed to be waiting for Fidel as landing party and together. The one hundred eighty two men would attack the nearby city of men's Neil today. Manziel is in the Granma province named after Fidel Castro's boat that landed near there. But that didn't happen the navigator on the grandma fell overboard. As they near Cuba forcing them to circle for a while to find him. And by the time they did, the cover of night was disappearing as the sun rose. They decided to make for the closest land. Unfortunately, they didn't see the sandbar that caused the boat to run aground. So the men were forced to leave most of their supplies on the boat as they waited the rest of the way to land in the movie. Soon after the landing Fidel's troops are attacked by planes overhead. We hear voice over that explains of the eighty two men that made the landing only sixteen survived. That's true, but the exact number of men who survived the attacks it, something that varies depending on the source official sources. Say, there were twelve survived. Others say it was sixteen like the movie shows still other say it was fifteen while still others say that there were twenty two and still others say eighteen. So we don't really know for sure. Overall, though most stories agree that there are probably less than twenty men who survived. Oh, and as a little side note, do you remember that part in the movie where we see, oh, Marshall version of Che choosing a first aid kit and box of munition. Although the real thing was nothing like what we saw in the movie, the gist of that actually happened and the outcome. The movie shows was true as well. Even though he was trained Dr Cheik chose the box of munition over the first aid kit. And then a few moments later regretted that decision when bullet ricocheted and hit his neck, he pretty much assumed he was going to die, but he didn't. Those remaining men fled into the nearby. See. Mesa mountains on the southeastern coast of Cuba. That's where they disappeared into the terrain. To begin the revolution. The movie doesn't really mention who the revolution is against, but as you can probably guess it's the person behind the attacks that began as soon as Fidel's men arrived in Cuba and that would be full Hensel Teesta. He had been the president in Cuba during World War Two from eighteen forty to nineteen forty four and ten years later nineteen fifty two as he was trailing. The polls for reelection. He orchestrated a Khuda to seize power that happened on March tenth nineteen. Fifty two, but three months before the presidential elections were supposed to take place. Many believe the United States was behind the couth because on March twenty. Seventh just seventeen days later, the United States recognize his leadership as the Cuban government. There wasn't going to be elections after all. So it was against another US-backed dictator in Cuba that Fidel and chase revolution was about to begin. Beckenham. Oh, before we do that, though, the mention of the US back dictator reminds me of something I wanted to mention. Do you remember the Fidel and his men used to travel from Mexico to Cuba, the grandma. There's been a conspiracy around the way that he got the money to buy the boat. You see money had run out for Fidel while he was in Mexico. And some historians think that perhaps Fidel made a trip to the United States where former Cuban President Carlos prio was living. Prio was the president of Cuba before Batista's coup forced him from power. So he would have had motive to help revolution against Tista and gave Fidel fifty thousand dollars at least that's one version of the story. But here's where the conspiracy comes in at the time. The KGB had a man named Yuri pumper off involved in financing operations in Mexico. He said that the money Fidel got for his boat didn't come from the former Cuban President. Instead, it came directly from the CIA. According to this version of the story, it seem that even though the CIA had backed Petit says government, there was no surprise to anyone about Fidel Castro's revolutionary plans. The US was also growing tired of Batista's violently. Shippen was looking to replace him anyway. They just wanted his replacement to be somebody that was friendly to American interests. It seemed the revolution was only a matter of time. So if Fidel was to be successful, the money was the CIA's way of getting on his good side early. They didn't want to lose control and Cuba even if the regime changed hands, at least that's one version of the story in troops. Well, sometimes we'll just have to be okay with not knowing the truth going back to the movie. Now there's a moment where we see talking with Anita Marquez. She's played by Barbara Luna in the movie as they're talking Anita, asks chase what he thinks about giving up being doctor chair replies with something to the effect of giving up. Doctor was easy compared to giving up everything else that he has. Then he goes on to list if you things. Most of these already talked about a comfortable middle class existence in Argentina, his friends and parents. But then he mentioned something we haven't talked about yet his wife and children in Mexico. Even though the movie doesn't mention when this fictional conversation between the fictional character of Nita and chair takes place. We learned earlier that Chait Fidel and his men arrived in Cuba in nineteen fifty six. So that means at this point in the movie Cheik VAR would have been married to a woman named Hilda. Gdynia probably the most inaccurate part of that statement though, comes from the movies use of the word children u. c. Hilda and j only had one child together. A daughter also named Hilda. We haven't talked about hill yet, but she met chain in nineteen fifty four. While they were both in Guatemala. Hilda who was originally from Peru was working with president Arbenz administration when the revolution neared its end and our Benz left Guatemala. He and many others in his circle went to Mexico City. That's why I decided to go there and originally held was going back to Peru. But after chase left Guatemala, Hilda was arrested. She was eventually released but managed to make her way after the others to Mexico. Instead of going back to Peru there she met back up with Jay. If I were to summarize Hilda and chase relationship, I'd say they probably weren't soulmates. It was an on again off again, relationship that wasn't going to inevitably end up with the two of them being married. They got along. But for the most part, they were friends with benefits. Although they did talk about marriage a few times over the months leading up to her pregnancy. So there might have been something there by the time they were married in September of nineteen fifty. Five chair had already met Fidel Castro who was determined to return to his homeland of Cuba and start a revolution there. Jay had decided to go with him, which meant he'd be leaving Hilda yet again somewhere to how he left her in Guatemala with the assumption that she would go home to Peru, except this time was different. Hilda had their first child the day after Valentine's on February fifteenth, nineteen fifty-six in while we're at it. Let's talk about chase otherwise because Helda wasn't his only one to learn about his second wife, though we'll have to fast forward to after the Cuban revolution to the nineteen fifty nine. Nine just for a little bit. That would be three years at the chain went to Cuba with Fidel, leaving Helda and his daughter behind Mexico chair headman alita earlier as part of Castro's movement. And by the time, Hilda followed chair to Cuba after the revolution was done. Jay had already fallen in love with alita, Hilda and chair were divorced so that he could marry alita which he did on March twenty third nineteen. Fifty nine over the course of their marriage, which lasted until chase death. He alita would go on to have four children together, even though their marriage had ended held a never change her beliefs in what she was doing. She still supported his political views until she passed in nineteen seventy four. Going back to the movie. We see a scene where Omar Sharif version of Che talks to his men about discipline, making a metaphor about bees. He says, he won't stand for drones. Discipline has been lax, and any breach of discipline will call for the harshest penalty while that specific scene was made up for the movie. It is true that in the Castro, brothers, Fidel and Raul. Tried to enforce a high level of discipline for their men. Probably the best story to showcase actually happened back in Mexico while the men were still training for the upcoming revolution. One of the Cubans didn't like following a foreign leader remember was Argentinian and was after all the Cuban revolution. So the soldiers simply sat down and refused to move chase, ask for a court martial to be held to determine what to do with the man. It was, and it was the Castro brothers who wanted to execute him actually argued that the man's life should be spared. And the end Fidel Castro decided to let the man live, although that's not to say that they weren't violent men among the countless historians journalists, and researchers who have dug into these events of the decades. We know of at least one execution accused of being a spy who was executed by Castro's men while they were training in Mexico. Maybe there were more there's rumors of more Matz. This is something else where we'll just have to be all right, not knowing the whole truth as a little side. Note though it's worth pointing out the. As attitude changed during his years, fighting the Cuban revolution in particular, he became known for an extreme hatred towards cowardice, Fidel announced that they would be three crimes punishable by death, desertion insubordination and defeat them. These were put to the test in one example of how chase attitude evolved from what we learned about his wanting to spare the life of the man in Mexico. One of the men who had arrived with the revolutionaries on the grim was caught for deserting the camp. This time it was himself who put a pistol to the temple and pulled the trigger in chega Vara a revolutionary life author. Jon Lee Anderson has a chilling quote from chase personal diary after killing the man, that clearly indicates as attitude had changed. He had become a cold blooded killer hopping back to the movies. Time line. The film makes the Cuban revolution seem pretty short by not knowing a lot of detail about the skirmishes and battles fought. Before we note change and Fidel Castro talking about a battle to capture Santa Clara. Then as they do, we see Batista's soldiers being run out of town and while the movie doesn't give us any indication of how much time has passed. There is a very breach mention where one of the men exclaims, the good news that Batista has fled the country. Then he says to God, I just realized tomorrow's New Year's day. What a way to start the new year as overly simplified as the movie is here it is true that the final battle of the Cuban revolution happened in the city of Santa Clara forbid of geographical context sense. Clara is right about in the middle of Cuba. So Fidel's men captured the island starting from the southeastern side near Manzanillo where they landed travelling north and west descente Clara. The movies also correct with the mention of New Year's, although it's not true showing that it was all over a New Year's Eve. In fact, that's when it started. It was undis-. Number thirty first nineteen fifty eight when two columns of troops, one of them being led by attacked Santa Clara. Well, maybe a tact is a strong word before arriving in Santa Clara chase column of three hundred men knew that they would have to face an army garrison about forty miles or sixty four kilometers outside the city. But as it turned out, that's not where the battle took place before. Chase men arrived Batista's garrison deserted their positions without even firing a shot as the sun started to set on December thirty. First chase men were on the outskirts of Santa Clara. That's when they encountered Batista's. Soldiers offering some resistance and chase, split his men into two columns. One went around the southern side of the city where it met with Batista's defending forces, the other one into the city where the engage soldiers whenever they encountered them, oh, in case you're wondering which side the people of the city seemed to be on citizens within the city would occasionally help in the fight as they threw molotov cocktails at Petit STA soldiers as. The battle raged on Batista ordered an armored train to be sent with reinforcements and supplies to his men who had their stronghold on the northeast side of the city. That was the destination for the train Matz. It never reached his men. Chase men cut it off and force the train to take another route into the city itself. Capturing the train became a priority for cheif who knew the ammunition inside would prove invaluable to the success of the battle to do this chase men use some nearby tractors to dig up the railway ahead of the train that force the train to derail stopping it and making it an easy target for chase men and the mall tov cocktail being hurled through the windows before long, the three hundred fifty soldiers inside the train surrendered at for that it didn't take long for chase men to secure victory over Santa Clara with the rest of the soldiers. Surrendering by mid afternoon the next day January first nineteen fifty nine. Today, there's a national memorial called trend Blinn Dotto or armored train near the train station at Santa Clara marking the. Moment. If you remember the movie mentioned that all of us happened on New Year's Eve and it was announce after Batista fled the country. Well, that's not the order that it actually happened after Santa Clara fell to chase forces. The path to Havana was wide open. That's still about one hundred sixty miles or two hundred sixty kilometers to the northwest of Santa Clara, but the soldiers in Santa Clara hadn't put up much of a fight. Many historians believed that morale among Batista's soldiers was very low to begin with, and it seemed only a matter of time before Fidel Castro's victory would be secured seeing the writing on the wall within twelve hours of Santa Clara's fall president Batista took most of his money and fled Cuba officially marking the end of the Cuban revolution going back to the movie after securing their victory. It's time for Fidel Castro to start leading new Cuban government. And this is when we start seeing some conflict between chair and Fidel. There's a scene where we see Fidel Castro come into chase quarters and. Complained to him that every day, some embassador lodges formal protests in the Latin American alliance against him. Then Jack Palance version of Fidel list them off instigating, a grill movement in Nicaragua financing, an invasion and Haiti shipping guns to Venezuela, turning to chafe. It is says, I'm charged with everything you do. The basic gist of that is true. Although the movie makes it seem like it was all chased doing behind Fidel's back. What's more likely is that shame may have been the mastermind, but Fidel back his friends ideas to spread the revolution beyond Cuba. The country's the movie mentioned are also correct, although not complete according to a now declassified documents sent to the United States State department about which countries they believe Fidel Castro's new government and Cuba was backing for their own revolutions. The country's most frequently mentioned here, the Dominican Republic, Nicaragua Paraguay, and Haiti Paraguay appears to be too far for direct Cuban interference, but there's a great deal of preliminary talk and planning taking place about the other three countries, chase him. Self offered to help teach Nicaraguans to organize a guerrilla army, and it wasn't surprising to find aspiring revolutionaries from other countries visiting chase quarters in Cuba in nineteen sixty one Chepe published a book simply called guerrilla warfare that he hoped would help teach others throughout Latin America wanting to follow in the footsteps of the Cuban revolution. The same year chase book was published. The United States government reacted to the obvious attempts at revolutions in Latin America by setting up. It's called the alliance for progress. Persident. John f. Kennedy explained the purpose behind the ten year plan for the alliance in a speech, we propose to complete the revolution of the Americas to build a hemisphere were all men can hope for a suitable standard of living and all can live out their lives in dignity and freedom to achieve this goal. Political freedom must accompany material progress. Let us once again, transform the American continent into vast cripple revolutionary ideas and efforts attribute to the power of the creative energies of free men and women. An example to all the world that liberty and progress walk, hand in hand. Let us once again, awaken our American revolution until it guides the struggles of people everywhere, not with an imperialism of force or fear, but the rule of courage and freedom and hope for the future of man. We don't really know what chain reactions were to that speech or if he even knew about at the time. But if I guess I would have said that he probably wouldn't have believed president Kennedy's words. And it probably didn't help that the CIA secretly tried to invade Cuba about a month later, but we'll get to that toward the end of nineteen sixty four Taylor was part of a Cuban delegation that traveled to New York City to speak at the United Nations. While this was not intended as direct reply to president. Kennedy's words Cheik VAR had some harsh words for the United States involvement in Latin America as he railed on the things happening within the US at self. Here's a quote from his hour, long speech to the UN undescended eleventh nineteen sixty four. Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin. Those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them. And Furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men. How can they. Those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom. Going back to the movie chase time in Cuba comes to an end when in an attempt to keep the United States, military might at bay, they decide to sign up with the Russians. They do this by convincing the Russians that Cuba would be the perfect place for nuclear missiles, putting them within range of nearly every major city in the United States. We see some actual historical footage in the movie of president Kennedy, stating quote, it shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the western hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union and quote, with tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union. At an all time high, they decide to pull the missiles out of Cuba chair doesn't like this, and it's eventually the cause for a rift between Fidel and Shay that ends with deciding it's time to leave Cuba and fight another revolution this time in Bolivia. Again, the basic gist is true, but the movie skipped over a lot of details. The movie mentions the nuclear missiles, but doesn't mention the time. The United States tried to invade Cuba by way of a secret mission by a CIA sponsored paramilitary group. So let's start there today. We know it as the bay of pigs invasion, and it took place on April seventeenth nineteen sixty one about a month after president Kennedy's speech on the alliance for progress that we heard earlier. But it's not like this only took a month to plan as we already learned. Fidel Castro's men emerge victorious in the Cuban revolution on January first nineteen fifty nine. So this was being planned while Kennedy gave his speech is basically the point. I'm trying to say there early in nineteen sixty. The CIA in the United States was putting together a plan for Hollywood overthrow the new Cuban government as quickly injection here, your member that I conduct photograph of Che that's made its way. Into countless t shirts and history books over the decades can't show you what it looks like through an audio podcast. But if there's one photograph you've seen of Che Guevara, that's the one that was taken by photographer, Albert. Oh, Korda on March. Fifth nineteen sixty while was at a memorial service for a ship called the Likud over that had exploded in the Havana harbor, killing his many as a hundred people. Fidel Castro officially blamed the United States for the explosion saying it was an act of sabotage, but the US denied the claims speaking of which while that was going on over the United States on March seventeenth. Nineteen sixty is when President Eisenhower approved the CIA as plan to replace Fidel Castro with someone who would be friendlier to the Cuban people or was that someone who would be friendlier to the United States like Petit STA was suppose that depends on who you believe. But Fidel Castro's army wasn't the eighty two men that had left Mexico to overthrow Batista. Now, especially with support from the Soviet Union. They were a more formidable force with the president approval. The CIA began recruiting and training men for the mission in April of nineteen sixty making up the group involved in the invasion where some Cubans who had fled in the wake of the revolution as well as some US military personnel. They were all funded and trained by the way about a year after President Eisenhower approved moving forward with the plan, a new. Resident, president Kennedy was briefed on the progress for the plant and gave it his own approval. That was on January twenty eighth nineteen sixty one. The invasion took place a few months later in April. It began with a diversionary invasion which took place on April fifteenth when two airfields near Havana and one near Santiago where attacked simultaneously by b twenty six bombers that had been painted to match b twenty six bombers that Fidel Castro's men had media picked up on this and began reporting that the attacks from Cuban rebels who are rising up against Castro's government then came the real invasion a couple days later on April seventeenth. Fifteen hundred men landed on the southern side of Cuba south of Havana Checa VAR anticipating the invasion called on Cuban residents to take up arms. All of Cuba needs to resist the invaders together, a force of about twenty five thousand army personnel, nine thousand police and two hundred thousand or so militia. Met the fifteen hundred invaders had on three days later, the invaders surrendered causing a great deal of embarrassment for the US government. It also bolstered Fidel Castro's desire to get help from the Soviet Union since he knew the US had invaded once. Will they do it again in short, yes, while not the full scale invasion. The took place in April after failing with the bay of pigs, invasion operation Mongoose went into effect. The idea behind this plane was to help stage a Cuban revolt internally against Fidel Castro to do this more covert actions by the CIA included collecting intelligence, sabotage and psychological warfare aimed at causing revolt. The target date was sometime in October of nineteen sixty two. But Fidel Castro's government was on high alert and the CIA ended up deciding that's an internal revolt wasn't likely instead they would try for another guerrilla assault. So the began training more men in April of nineteen sixty two, not sitting idly by Fidel's ties with Soviet Union, grew closer as the Soviets sent shipments of supplies, munitions and military personnel to Cuba. This increase in Soviet military ended up being the demise of operation Mongoose with the US. Fearing the Soviets would spark outright war if they found out about the covert operations going on. So even though operation Mongoose which was also called the Cuban project didn't work that led right up to the next event. This is one that the movie brushes over but doesn't really explain to well the Cuban missile crisis after the failed invasion at the bay of pigs Fidel and tried to get the Soviet Union to bring nuclear missiles to Cuba. They were convinced this would help hold the United States military at bay. They wouldn't attack Cuba as long as they were nuclear missiles there with an already tense relationship between the US and the Soviet Union. Outside of Cuba. The Soviets rejected the Cubans request for a while in October of nineteen Fifty-nine. The United States signed an agreement with the Turkish government to put nuclear missiles in Turkey that would place them near the Soviet Union, which only increased tensions between the two countries over the next few years. More missiles were place in Turkey and Italy with the United States claiming they're only there in case the Soviet Union attacked in retaliation, though the Soviet Union accepted the Cuban invitation to put nuclear missiles in Cuba. All of this came to a head between October sixteenth and Tober twenty eighth nineteen sixty two. Those thirteen days are considered the time when the US and the Soviet Union came the closest to nuclear war on October twenty. Seventh president Kennedy met with the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. And agreed to remove the US missiles and Turkey and maybe Italy, too. If the Soviets removed their missiles in Cuba I say maybe an Italy because to this day, there's still some debate about whether or not that was part of the agreement. After meeting with Khrushchev president Kennedy issued this official statement announcing the result of their meeting. I consider my letter to you of October twenty seventh and your reply today as firm undertakings on both the part of our governments which should be promptly carried out the US will make a statement in the framework of the Security Council in reference to Cuba as follows. It will declare that the United States of America will respect the inviolability of the Cuban borders, its sovereignty that it take the pledge not to interfere in internal affairs, not to intrude themselves and not to permit our territory to be used as a bridgehead for the invasion of Cuba and restrain. Those who would plan to carry an aggression against Cuba either from US territory or from the territories of other countries neighboring to Cuba for our story today, that means the Soviets were going to pull out their missiles from Cuba. It also means the US was going to leave Cuba alone, at least officially, meanwhile, the crisis that caused tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union to boil also calls tension. NHS between Fidel Castro, shake of are on one side. The Soviet Union was a major backer for Fidel's regime in Cuba. They provided money, economic support. And of course, military supplies that were vital for Fidel's hopes in maintaining control in Cuba. On the other side chain wasn't happy about what he saw as the Soviet Union's betrayal of Cuba when they pulled a nuclear missiles out of the country. While these certainly played a part in chase decision to leave Cuba, perhaps the biggest reason had more to do with chase growing unrest. You see after the Cuban revolution was one checkup a position in the new Cuban government as both the finance minister and the president of the Bank in Cuba, the years of reading countless books about economics paid off there. But chain also travelled around the world and behalf of the Cuban government. Earlier, we learned about chase trip to the United Nations in New York City in nineteen sixty four. That was a part of a trip that shea took around the world and one that was the beginning of the end for his time in Cuba. This isn't necessarily an order, but in addition to visiting the United States, he visited France, Ireland, Egypt, Mali ALgeria, Ghana Tanzania, the Czech Republic. It was called Czechoslovakia back then and of course the Soviet Union. So he traveled a lot. He saw a lot of the world and no doubt these experiences helped solidify something that he already thought Cuba's revolution wasn't the end. In fact, that was just the beginning in chase mine. He also hurt his relationship with the Soviet Union as he was a little too friendly with the communist party in China for their liking in his mind, though, was of the growing opinion. That the Soviet Union had lost their way. They'd forgotten what Marxism was really about by the time chair returned to Cuba in early nineteen sixty five. He disappeared from the public. I for a while. Going back to the movie doesn't show chase trip around the world. What we see though is that leaves Cuba and goes straight to Bolivia to help with the revolution. That's sort of true, but it's not the whole story by that. What I mean is that it is true. He went from Cuba to Bolivia, but that skipping a full year's worth of time in overlooking a few other countries in the process in April of nineteen sixty five chaired disguised himself and snuck out of Cuba a couple of weeks later he arrived in Africa. He was there to help offer guerrilla training for the rebels in the Congo who had just failed to overthrow the government during the symbol revolution which ended in November of nineteen sixty four, MAC and Cuba while chain was into Congo Fidel Castro, read an undated letter that he claimed Chiro to him before leaving for the Congo in which he said he was leaving Cuba for good. Here is the letter that has been dubbed Chaes. Farewell letter that Fidel Castro read public for the first time on a Tober third nineteen sixty five. Adele at this moment, I remember many things when I met you at Maria Antonia's house. When you proposed, I come along all the tensions involved in the preparations one day they came by and asked who should be notified in case of death and the real possibility of it struck us all leader. We knew it was true that in the revolution, one wins or dies. If it is a real one, many comrades fell along the way to victory today. Everything has a less dramatic tone because we are more mature, but the event repeats itself. I feel that I have fulfilled the part of my duty that tied to the Cuban revolution in its territory, and I say, farewell to you to the comrades to your people who are no mine. I formerly resigned my positions in the leadership of party my post as minister, my rank of commander and my Cuban citizenship. Nothing legal binds me to Cuba. The only ties are of another nature. Those that. Cannot be broken as can appointments to posts reviewing my past life. I believe I have worked with sufficient integrity and dedication to consolidate the revolutionary triumph. My only serious failing was not having had more confidence in you from the first moments. And this year may stra and not having understood quickly enough your qualities as a leader and a revolutionary. I have lived magnificent days and at your side, I felt the pride of belonging to our people in the brilliant yet sad days of the Caribbean missile crisis seldom has a statesman been more brilliant as you were in those days. I am also proud of having followed you without hesitation of having identified with your way of thinking and of seeing and appraising dangers and principles. Other nations of the world. Some in my modest efforts of assistance I can do that, which is denied. You do to your responsibility as the head of Cuba and the time has come for us to part you should know that I do so with a mixture of joy and sorrow. I leave here the purest of my hopes as a builder in the dearest of those I hold dear and leave a people who received me as a son that wounds apart of my spirit, I carry two new battlefronts the faith that you taught me, the revolutionary spirit of my people, the feeling of fulfilling the most sacred of duties to fight against imperialism wherever it may be. This is a source of strength and more than heals the deepest of wounds I state once more that I free Cuba from all responsibility, except that which stems from its example, if my final hour finds me under other skies, my last thought will be of this people and especially of you. I am grateful for your teaching and your example to which I shall try to be faithful up to the final consequences of my axe. I have always been identified with the foreign policy of our revolution and I continue to be wherever I am. I will feel the responsibility of being a Cuban revolutionary and I shall behave as such. I am not sorry that I'm leaving nothing material to my wife and children. I am happy. It is that way. I asked nothing for them as the state will provide them with enough to live on and receive an education. I would have many things to say to you and to our people, but I feel they are unnecessary words cannot express what I would like them to. And there is no point in scribbling pages. With that letter. The world found out that shea had left Cuba. Of course, he'd already been gone for months and many historians believe that she never intended for that letter to be made public yet. Instead there's some who believe chair wrote that letter to Fidel in Casey, died in Congo, so the letter wasn't supposed to be released publicly unless he was killed. Chait wasn't killed in the Congo, but he was forced to flee the country which he did on November twenty first. But he didn't want to return to Cuba because Fidel had made the pharaoh letter public and effectively cut his ties with Cuba for about six months. Chait hit out in a Cuban embassy in the Congo from there, he moved to Prague in the modern day, Czech Republic for a few months. It was only after this in July of nineteen sixty six chase snuck back into Cuba. He didn't do it publicly, but rather secretly returned with the intention of staying there as he prepared to go to Bolivia to support a revolution. There. Back in the movie. We see chase early end in Bolivia. It doesn't come as prize at all. After all, we learned the beginning of the episode. The movie starts off by showing chase body after he was killed. According to the movie, though things in Bolivia, don't go very well at all. Chase, men are sick, hungry and Chang himself seems to be losing his grip on reality. Then we see the end. It happens when Rangers from the bleeding army ambush as men. Many of them are killed and chase his shot Manatt kill. In the next scene. We see Omar Sharif version of Che sitting on a long bench. One of the soldiers AMAN we learned from a dialogue named Colonel Salazar is there watching him then the door opens, two soldiers walk in with another one of chase men. He's someone we thought might have been killed in the ambush. But no, he's alive. Jay watches as they take the man to a back room doors closed after a few seconds. We hear a gunshot. He's dead. No. After this Colonel Salazar has a conversation with Jay. They go back and forth, but then Colonel Salazar ushers in a goat farmer, he tells chain that this is the man who gave up chase position. He's the reason chain was ambushed then turning to the unnamed goat farmer Colonel Salazar motions to chain says that he came to liberate you to free you. The good farmer turns the to free me from what nobody asked what I want ever since you come to these mountains with your guns in your fighting my goat, they don't make milk you frighten them. The vultures followed you. Everywhere you go, you stink of death. Yes. I want to be free free from you and turning to Colonel Salazar. The former continues. You then turning back to an all your kind. Why can't you just go away and leave us in peace chair doesn't say anything. After a moment, he gets up and silently walks over to the back room where the other soldier was taken earlier. We see a soldier in there as the door closes, the soldier raises his rifle, then we hear gunshot. There's some truth to that for one it is true. That chase position was given to the believing army Rangers by a local peasant. We didn't really talk about her in this episode, but the first ambush we see in the movie happens when Linda marshes character. Tanya Burke is killed. That happened on August thirty. First nineteen sixty seven about a week later on October eighth Cheik Varas men were in a gully about a thousand feet, wider three hundred meters long and about two hundred feet or sixty one meters wide. Then they noticed there were soldiers above them. They were trapped at one ten pm. Gunfire erupted on both sides. The soldiers above us rifles machine guns and mortars to rain death from above as if by fate Chaes rifle was shot. The barrel of gun was damaged by ricocheting round in the gun wouldn't work pulling on his pistol chafe. Ended empty. The magazine was missing evidently dropped somewhere along. Path who knows win are where Checa VAR was now unarmed and surrounded. He didn't have long to reflect on a situation, a bullet tore through the calf of his left leg and with another winning through the beret on his head. He started trying to make his escape, but was soon found by the soldiers. Shaded and try to hide his identity. The soldiers use a sketch to positively identify him anyway. Once they knew they'd captured the legendary revolutionary, they pulled off chase bell to restrain his hands that afternoon. He was taken to a nearby one room schoolhouse. That's the building we saw in the movie where the fictional Colonel Salazar was talking to in truth. It was a man named Lieutenant Colonel Seelig who had flown into the area. As soon as he heard they'd capture chain. At about seven thirty pm with chair bound on the dirt floor. The schoolhouse see, let's radioed his commanders for orders while he waited to hear what to do with him. That's when he had a conversation with Jay sort of like what we saw happen in the movie in their discussion chasing to be depressed. He was defeated. See, let's asked why a foreigner like was fighting for Bolivia. When talked about how the peasants in Bolivia were living in a horrible state. They're living in such a state of poverty that they're living like animals with little to no clothing food or place to sleep. They've been abandoned by their government and things are better in Cuba. SE indignantly, there's poverty in Cuba chain admitted, but they have hope for progress in Bolivia that people are born live and die without any improvements in their lives. There is no hope. Their conversation continued, which seal documented as a forty five minute chat after which they spent most of the night reading the diaries that shea had on them when they captured him. The next morning, two men arrived, which was being held at Lahiya. One of them was the Bolivia n- Colonel what Keam while the other was a man named captain Ramos. That wasn't his real name though. He was actually a CIA agent named Felix Rodriguez for a few hours on the morning of October ninth, the newcomers question, they didn't get much information out of him according to Felix his records on chase state. He said, shea had matted hair ripped clothing and no boots only leather moccasins looking devices that were caked in mud at one point, Jay asked Felix a question from his accent and knowledge about what had happened in Cuba. He had determined that Felix was not from Bolivia Felix admitted. He was one of the CIA agents trained as a part of the bay of pigs, invasion, chase response. Simple. Then at twelve thirty pm Lieutenant Colonel. See that you've got the new orders. He was waiting for. He was told to quote proceed with the elimination of senior Guevarra and quote. Felix tried to delay the order the CIA wanted to keep alive and in custody. So they could gather information from him, but the believe the president himself had issued the order at their stalling for as long as he could without success. The time came one of these soldiers who had been in the firefight, which the day before was chosen to be the executioner. He was delighted to carry out the task, seeing his as avenging the death of the men. Chase soldiers had killed Felix told the soldier not to shoot in the face, though it could not look like an execution. The body would be seen by the media and it had to look like shea had been killed in battle at one ten pm on October ninth, the shots rang out. There was only one person in the room, the executioner, so we don't really know exactly how it happened. There's a legend that says, chafe ace the soldier defiantly by saying, I know you've come to kill me, shoot coward. You only going to kill a man. The first shots hit chase arms and legs. They didn't kill him and it took everything he had to keep chain from crying out in pain. Then soldier shot, again, hitting in the chest and filling his lungs with blood, killing him. Whether or not the legend of chased death happening that way is true or not. What we do know is that chase beliefs had long been that he was just a man. The revolution was more than him. And while people on both sides of chase beliefs, either mourned his loss or cheered his defeat, it is true that the revolutions continued in Bolivia. The revolution took a major blow when she was killed. It end up being defeated. But chase legacy lived on from Mexico to Egypt and India to Algieria chase legacy lived on through rallies and riots in the United States. Chase memory was included alongside riots following Martin Luther King junior's assassination and early nineteen sixty eight as a part of the anti-vietnam war protests spread across the country in Latin America. Chase legacy was much stronger worth revolutions in the nineteen sixties and seventies spanning across Nicaragua Brazil. Venezuela, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, pretty much every country except Costa Rica. Then one. Hi one. Those revelations ended some like the Senden Eastham National Liberation Front, Nicaragua were successful in overthrowing the government others like Montoneros in Argentina, failed. What are the last revolutions in the string of guerrilla warfare struggles inspired by Fidel Castro and Che Guevara was in Colombia, the guerrilla army, they're known as FARC fought against what they saw as an impressive Colombian government despite Cuba and Soviet. Union's cut in supplies. After chase, death, dampen their spirits to support other rebels in Colombia. FARC continued to fight over the years, their numbers, dwindled, even when their spirit did not. All of that came to an end in a historic moment, a peace deal that was signed between the Colombian government and FARC the last guerrilla army from chase era that peace deal marked an end of fifty two years of struggle for far when it was signed on Monday, September twenty. Fifth, two thousand sixteen. Exactly two months later on November twenty. Fifth, Checa Vars comrade-in-arms Fidel Castro passed away at the age of ninety. This episode of based on a true story was written and produced by me, Dan lab. If you wanna learn more about the life of Che Guevara, I would highly recommend highly highly recommend the biography of John Lee Anderson that is considered to be one of if not the best biography unchaste life. It's called chega VAR a revolutionary life. Now, I'll make sure to include a link to that any more resources for you to start learning more about chase life and events surrounding it over at based on a true story podcast dot com. Okay. Now it's time for the answer to our two truths and a lie game or the beginning of the episode. As a refresher here are the two truth and one life. Number one, Checa VAR was an architect before his life as a guerrilla revolutionary number two. Unlike Fidel Castro Checa VAR was not born in Cuba. Number three was a nickname. His real name was Ernest. Oh, Guevarra. Did you find out which one is ally? The lie is number one while check Avars life before the Cuban revolution include a lot of odd jobs, professionally speaking, he was trained as a doctor. I don't know if you could say he had a career as a doctor since he decided to join Fidel Castro's July twenty six movement, but he did serve as the doctor Fidel's men. So in that way, his dreams of being a revolutionary Dr came true, and that brings us to an end of our store today, but there's always more history to learn view already. Listen to all hundred or so of the past episodes of based on a true story. 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The Queen of Cuba Pt. 2: Ana Montes

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The Queen of Cuba Pt. 2: Ana Montes

"This episode features discussions of mental illness violent crime and terrorism that some people may find disturbing listener discretion is advised especially for children under thirteen in March of nineteen ninety four thirty seven year old government government analyst Ana Belen Montanez walked into an office in the Defense Intelligence Agency to take a polygraph exam. This wasn't wasn't just a routine test of few weeks earlier. The intelligence community was rocked to the core when a longtime CIA employee was was arrested for espionage now agencies across the board. We're on a mission to root out other traders in their ranks and and after nine years of spying for Cuban intelligence on a Montanez was exactly the type of person they were looking for her only hope of convincing the. US of her loyalty was to outwit the polygraph. Sitting down by the machine on a slipped. Tur- arm into a blood pressure cough. She waited patiently as rubber tubes were strapped around her chest with electric sensors to monitor her breathing and heart rate. Finally the examination began at first. The interviewer asked questions with obvious. Answers like do you you work for the DIA. But as the test continued the examiner delved deeper into honest past. This was a counter intelligence. It's investigation so the agency needed to know what ANA believed where she traveled and most importantly if she'd ever ever lied to them it took all her mental strength to remain calm and detached. If she passed the exam she'd be free to continue. Can you hear work as a double agent. If not she would be outed as an international spy imprisoned and possibly executed feuded picture a murderer a gangster a thief. Did you picture a woman. We didn't think so- society associates men with dangerous Angel Crimes. But what happens when the perpetrator is female. Everyone's day we examined the psychology motivations and atrocities of female criminals. Hi I'm Vanessa Richardson. And you're listening to female criminals apar- cast original. You can find episodes of female L. Criminals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream female criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type female criminals in the search bar at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help last week. We saw how growing up in an abusive household made on in a montage resentful authority. She resolved to do everything she could to protect the oppressed. Even if that meant committing treason he said this week. We'll see how on I embarked on dual careers as an undercover Cuban intelligence agent and a superstar analyst in the the US Department of Defense will discuss how on his own sister secured key evidence that eventually put the FBI on her trail as as investigators closed in on a had to decide whether to run or to go down. Fighting Ana Belen Montas began her career with the Defense Intelligence Agency or DIA on September birth thirtieth nineteen eighty five. She was hired. As a researcher justice she had in previous occupations. The twenty eight year old quickly impressed asked her superiors within months. She was promoted to intelligence analyst specializing in El Salvador and Nicaragua in this position. Shen on a reviewed information about these countries from field agents law enforcement and other sources she would then make recommendations to policy makers and military officials based on her analysis of the intelligence. The work itself was mentally demanding. Attempting to spy for the Cubans wins on top of. It was extremely risky. If ANA was caught she could be arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit espionage or or even treason but the twenty eight year old. Didn't hesitate to dive in. She was convinced that with organization and discipline she'd be able to handle it on a started her double life by establishing a routine one that she followed religiously for the next sixteen years on a typical day. She woke up early and commuted from her. Two Bedroom. CO-OP in the Cleveland Park neighborhood of Washington. DC to her office at the DIA. She arrived in her cubicle at eight. Am Sat down and immediately went to work. She spent the next several hours analyzing data writing reports and attending meetings then. She broke for a quick lunch. Usually she grabbed a salad or soup from the office cafeteria and took it back to her cubicle. There she kept working until around five PM at which point she went home. Rarely stopping to chat with anyone on her way out on his machine. Like habits and apparent disinterest in socializing soon made an impression on her colleagues some thought she was just too focused on work to think about anything else. Others considered her arrogant and standoffish. But there was more going on beneath the surface than on us. New Co workers realized. She'd you've been dedicated to working hard her entire life yet. She'd also found time in the past to make friends now. She couldn't do that without putting her permission or herself. At risk before we delve into honors psychology. Please note that I'm not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. kyw interest but I have done a lot of research for the show in an article on the mental impacts of undercover operations psychologist. Dr Laurence Miller are noted double agents knowingly and purposefully develop relationships that they will eventually betray many officers. Find this the difficult road to walk adding to the stressors of undercover work. Miller's comments were about agents working on the right side of the law but it's likely that ANA experienced similar inner conflicts. She may have decided to cut people out of her life simply to reduce the anxiety of having to align to those she cared about at the very least having no social life helped on a perform her secret job without interruptions each night when she got home from work she retyped the classified documents she'd memorized in the office that day on a computer computer provided by Cuban intelligence she then saved the files on floppy disks. which could be easily slipped into her tote bag and delivered to to her handlers later once she was finished with the documents on turned on shortwave radio she'd purchased at a local electronics store? She tune the radio two am frequencies seven eight eight seven kilohertz and waited. At first. She got nothing but static then in the middle of the night when most of the city was asleep on a heard a woman's voice fade in. The speaker rattled off a list of one hundred fifty apparently random numbers which on a promptly keyed into her computer later once the transmission ended on Arena preinstalled decryption program in a flash. The sequence was converted into a secret message just for her. This made all the intervening hours of loneliness worthwhile. Although Cuban intelligence didn't pay on for her services as they made her feel important they allowed her to choose what information to give them as well as when and where she deliver it most most importantly they treated her like valued member of the team for ANA who grew up in a home where her father's word was law being part of a collaborative collaborative effort was highly gratifying and according to psychologist Ursula 'em wilder that may have been exactly what her handlers intended handed in her essay. The psychology of espionage doctor wilder states that spy recruiters are trained to see weakness weakness in people who have access to valuable information. She explained agents spotting a vulnerable person may insinuate themselves into the situation Jewish and exacerbate the personal crisis handlers will then continue to manipulate. A recruited assets vulnerabilities to maintain maintain the person's long-term engagement in espionage intentionally or not the Cubans encouragement gave the inspiration. She needed needed to accomplish extremely difficult. Things from nineteen eighty six to one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. The young analyst was promoted half a dozen sometimes. She received multiple awards for her distinguished service and was entrusted with more and more complex jobs. Colleagues and supervisors. There's throughout the intelligence community regarded her as a leading expert in Latin American political affairs in her secret life Ana was is also highly regarded but due to the covert nature of her work. It's hard to say exactly what she accomplished. As a spy. However a development lament Nicaragua during her fifth year in action suggests a clue honest? Primary goal was always to help the Nicaraguan in people control their own destiny in nineteen ninety the nation democratically elected a new president apparently without influence from the US S.. We don't know for sure if the information that unprovided helped bring about this long-awaited change but we do know it. Brought the country's civil a war to an end leaving thirty-three-year-old Ana at a major crossroads her mission as she knew it was now over and that meant she had a choice to make she could either go straight putting an end to this risky detour in her career or she could find a new objective objective thereby recommitting herself to a life of crime for some. This might have been a tough decision but ANA barely even hesitated. She knew the. US had political objectives for Cuba and considered them a threat to the island's sovereignty. Just like she had had for Nicaragua on a now dedicated her life to protecting the smaller country from its bullying northern neighbor in nineteen ninety. The two thirty five year old ANA was accepted to a program that allowed her to study a project of her choice on the government's dime. She used it as an an opportunity to travel legally to Cuba. She spent twelve months in the nation. She was secretly working for aside in February of Nineteen Ninety. Three her new expertise earned her yet. Another promotion to the head of the DA's Cuban account in this position. Asian Montana's yielded tremendous influence over. US policy toward the island. She also met the man who would ultimately take take her down coming up. A fellow analysts hunch leads to suspicions that ANA is working for the enemy. Thank you so much for listening. Want to take this time to tell you that female criminals will be taking the next two weeks off. We'll be back with a brand new episode on January eighth in the meantime we. Do you have a special gift to share with you. While we're away will be airing our listeners. Most requested episodes of two thousand. Nineteen if you'd like to check out the most requested episodes from parkas other shows subscribe to Parkhouse Te presents to hear our best of two thousand nineteen from everyone here at par cast. We'd I'd like to wish you a happy holiday season. We're thankful for your support and look forward to bringing you even more unique and entertaining podcasts. In the New Year thanks for listening now back to the story in February of Nineteen Ninety three thirty thirty six year old Ana Belen Montas was promoted as the DA's top political and military analysts on Cuba as the newly newly crowned expert the so called Queen of Cuba had access to nearly every discussion about the island in the entire department of Defense. It's she could attend almost any meeting and read any classified documents she liked she was also in charge of briefing top. US officials this meant. She had tremendous influence over the chain of information by carefully selecting. What intelligence was shared with American decision makers she she could shape their understanding of the island to Cuba's benefit for a while it was the perfect setup but a year into her new role? All Ana got word of an arrest. That threatened everything on February twenty first nineteen ninety four. A thirty the year veteran of the C. I. A. Named Aldrich Ames was arrested. He was charged with spying for the Russians for nearly a decade the the intelligence community was stunned agencies across the board instituted new security measures at the dia this included immediate mandatory polygraphs. ANA was taught how to beat a lie detector during her initial training in nineteen eighty-five but she'd never actually. He had to take one and now she was forced to do so in the wake of another spies arrest. The interviewer was looking for people. Engaged the very crimes ANA had been committing for almost a decade. She needed to talk to her handlers but she couldn't just call them up from the the office instead she had to use a complicated system to notify the Cubans under the radar. I she went to a certain pay. Hey Phone and called one of her handlers pagers then. Instead of entering a callback number she keyed in code representing a message. For example. All nine one one could mean emergency. Another series of numbers was a request to meet once she sent the message on then traveled traveled to a different payphone in another area of Washington. DC there. She awaited a call with her handlers response when the phone rang. Hang on a picked up the extension. No one spoke on the other end instead they dialed numbers which ANA wrote down on a slip of paper. She then used a simple decoder that she carried in her toe bag to interpret the message in this way the spy and the Cubans could arrange a meeting eating which would later attend wearing a wig as a disguise. These rendezvous normally took place once every two who weeks so. There's a good chance that unattended one just prior to her polygraph exam and if so something in their discussion almost certainly we helped the analyst prepare for her day of reckoning in March of nineteen ninety. Four thirty seven year old on a Montas Montas walked confidently into the examiners office to take the test. Any hint of discomfort could lead to her termination arrest or even execution for treason yet. She managed to answer the interviewer's questions calmly. Knowing she was lying the whole time time she passed. This was both a relief and a lucky break for the analyst. The results of the polygraph went on her permanent record. Kurd which meant that. ANA now have the agency's lasting stamp of approval. Ironically the exam designed to catch a spy had the opposite effect of covering many of honors future crimes although she managed to fool a machine however on a failed to convince a certain colleague of her innocence of veteran counterintelligence specialist named Reg Brown had been watching on us since her promotion motion in nineteen ninety two and something about the Queen of Cuba rubbed him wrong for one thing he found her excessively eager occur he noticed on a showed up at meetings whenever Cuba was on the agenda whether she was invited or not. She always justified her presence by saying saying she wanted to know as much about the country as possible but her insistence on slipping behind every closed door concerned reg then in nineteen ninety six. A catastrophe raised his suspicions even more throughout the nineteen nineties refugees. He's fled harsh conditions in Cuba on rafts. In hopes of drifting eighty miles across the ocean to Miami some made the perilous journeys successfully but the vast majority did not tens of thousands went adrift in the Florida Straits because they were undocumented. Commended there are no definitive records of how many refugees went missing but dozens are known to have died of thirst drowning or exposure hoosier in response to this humanitarian crisis. A nonprofit organization called brothers to the rescue started conducting conducting aerial search parties. Their goal was to find refugees who had gone astray and alert the coastguard to save lives. Everyone agreed agreed that this was a noble endeavor but the pilots had a political motive as well. They wanted the Cubans to overthrow their communist leader. Fidel Fidel Castro. In a nonviolent revolution and to that end they dropped thousands of political leaflets. Onto the island. During their flyovers encouraging citizens to rise up against the regime Castro was incensed by this blatant affront. To his authority his administration warned brothers to the rescue to stop dropping propaganda or risk being fired on but the organization continued continued and on February twenty fourth nineteen ninety six the Cubans followed through on their threat. Shooting down two ooh brothers aircraft and killing all four American nationals aboard the. US was outraged raged. Many Cuban Americans decried the attack as an act of war against the United States president. Bill Clinton called urgent meetings at the Pentagon to determine the best response on a Montanez was the reigning intelligence expert on Cuba so naturally she was expected to be in in attendance but the sudden uproar threw her off balance. She didn't have time to make plans with her handlers instead she had to improvise steering. US officials away from actions. That might hurt her Cuban friends. It was incredibly stressful day on attempted to keep up with the frantic pace of unfolding events. But she soon grew frazzled and exhausted and that evening something happened that put her even more on edge around six PM on the Twenty Fourth Ana received a call on her personal cell while still till at the office no one ever learned who it was or what was so urgent that the analysts dared to answer it in such a critical moment but some some of her colleagues noticed afterward that ANA was strangely anxious they heard her announce multiple times that she absolutely must leave by eight o'clock and despite the gravity of the circumstances she did to counterintelligence specialist Reggie Brown. This was utterly shocking. The attack on the brothers to the rescue plane was one of the most critical moments of both his and on US careers. United States civilians had been murdered and the Queen of Cuba just walked out it was beyond comprehension unless this his hunch about the analyst was accurate and ANA was indeed a Cuban spy reg theorized that the call Alana received that night was from her handlers. Cuban intelligence was probably frantic to know if the US plan to take military action on ANA couldn't take the risk of talking to them at work but she had to get them the information they needed so she left as it turned out the US decided against military reprisal so if ANA did meet with the Cubans that night. She didn't have much to tell them even so oh reg was convinced that the analyst would continue providing their enemies with top secret information unless he did something to to stop her. In April of nineteen ninety six red relayed his suspicions about ANA to Scott Carmichael. A friend did the DIA who specialized in counterintelligence investigations. Scott heard regs concerns but felt that his friend was mistaken on Montana's taxes record at the agency was absolutely stellar. More importantly she passed a polygraph exam only two years before nevertheless. LS Scott knew better than to blow off a tip. He promised reg to look into the situation after a few months of observing her from a distance Scott decided that he on a Montanez needed to talk the thirty nine year old Queen of Cuba got the call on November first nineteen ninety six hearing an investigator on the line. She initially assumed Scott was calling to update her security clearance but Scott quickly set her straight. He said there was an issue they needed to discuss and asked her to meet him in his office alone. Once again on a found herself in the hot seat with her mind racing trying to anticipate every possible scenario. She went to Scott's office on November seventh nineteen ninety-six explaining that. She was swamped with work on a asked him to keep the interview. Short and to the point Scott pleasantly obliged after introducing himself formally as a counterintelligence investigator he informed on that he suspected suspected her of being a Cuban spy ANA was stunned but with masterful control she managed into avoid showing any emotion instead. She settled in and prepared to respond to Scott's questions just as she had those of the polygraph. Examiner examiner two years before as Scott grilled on about the brothers to the rescue incident. She remained calm and compliant. She couldn't tell him who had called that night because as far as she remembered no one had nor had she announced to anyone that she was leaving early she was tired hired and felt the situation was under control so she had simply decided to go home. Scott also questioned on on her personal contacts and her feelings about US policy in Cuba. The analyst had a clear and logical answer for everything finally after about about an hour. The investigator decided to let her go. Once again on a Montanez walked out of the DIA office unscathed but this time she didn't bounce back so quickly. Over the next several months she felt abnormally anxious she had trouble sleeping and sometimes started crying for no apparent reason. Clearly her double life was beginning to take its toll. According to Psychiatrist Kaya trysts Daniel K.. Hall Flavin Chronic stress can increase the risk of developing depression. It can cause fatigue sleeping problems and trouble in relationships for ANA personal relationships had long taken a back seat to her dual careers as an analyst and a spy I but as she approached her fortieth birthday in nineteen ninety seven under the cloud of depression. She wondered if she'd made the right choice choice sadly for Ana her isolation was only going to get worse and in an ironic twist. This was due in part to another rising star in the intelligence community. Her younger sister Lucy. Lucy had been working as a language specialist for the F. B. I.. In Miami Amy for almost a decade and in Nineteen Ninety eight when the field office opened a serious investigation into a suspected spy network they brought Lucy and to help the subjects of the inquiry. Were a group of Cuban ex-pats known as the Wasp Network as a language analyst. I Lucy was in charge of listening to and transcribing hours of wiretapped conversations between the WASPS. Thanks in part to her work work on September Twelfth Nineteen Ninety Eight. All known members of the WASP network were arrested. It was a crowning moment in Lucy's career career but for Anna seeing her Cuban comrades face prosecution was devastating it was also a precursor to further isolation elation as her handlers the only people with whom she could speak freely about her double life went underground. The months passed without any communication without a mission to keep her spirits up. NFL even deeper into depression. She developed to panic attacks. She tried seeing a counselor and taking medication but nothing seemed to help. As time went on on a began showing signs signs of obsessive compulsion. She started taking extremely long showers washing herself multiple times with several different soaps. This this was a specific kind of OCD called mental contamination. According to medical news today mental contamination is the feeling of being being dirty after being mistreated or put down a person with this form of. OCD will try to scrub away the feeling by showering and washing rushing excessively after risking her life for over a decade to help the Cubans on a May well have felt put down or mistreated treated when they halted communication. So it's possible that the stress of being cut off actually triggered her. OCD condition in any the event. It compelled on it to make a change in her behavior in late. Nineteen Ninety eight after several months of silence from her handlers. She took the uncharacteristic step of having a conversation with her co workers. She confided that she was considering leaving the DIA and getting getting a job in the private sector may be in a think tank where she could put her expertise to different use. Perhaps after all these years of leading in a double life she was ready to settle down but then one night the Cubans reached out again and in a flash flash on a gave up all thoughts of going straight. This was her life her passion her crusade after thirteen eighteen years of dedicated work. She was at the height of her criminal powers unfortunately for ANA her comrades at arms were. We're not and their failure to protect her would lead to her downfall coming up. We'll see how a critical oversight by Cuban intelligence gave. US investigators the lead. They needed to take down ANA on a Montanez at last now back to the story for more than a decade Ana Belen Montanez outwitted. All efforts. It's to curtail her criminal activity as a Cuban double agent and by the end of nineteen ninety eight. The forty one year old seemed set to continue spying for years to come but unknown to Ana her downfall was already in motion. It had started with the break-up of the WASP network a few months earlier. Thanks in part to the efforts of her sister Lucy Montanez FBI officials confiscated phones laptops and other materials belonging to more than a dozen Cuban spies among the Paraphanelia they found preinstalled decryption. Shen programs like the one I had been using for years. Cuban intelligence certainly knew about the arrests and they probably should have updated their codes and decryption methods response. But for whatever reason they didn't instead they kept using the same system that was now in the hands ends of the FBI. And as a result the agency was now able to interpret secret messages from Castro's government to its agents agents all across the US by the year two thousand the the FBI had figured out the Cubans had a mole in the US government. And thanks to the decrypted messages. They had a few details about this person's sounds identity they knew the double agent was a high ranking official in intelligence they also knew of this person's travel history and they suspected did that he or she had a computer like the ones used by the WASPA- network this admittedly wasn't much to go on but for dia a counterintelligence investigators Scott Carmichael. It was enough by now. Four years had passed since he'd accused of being a spy the moment her name popped up as a potential double agent suspect he was convinced he'd been right all along on November number. Twenty seven th two thousand Scott requested permission to launch a full investigation into Anna Montas in coordination with the FBI. Hi this would be a long and delicate process but Scott was determined to see it through the Queen of Cuba would not escape him him this time as Scott and the F. B. I.. Launched Their investigation ANA was preparing to embark on her next professional journey. As as well she had just been accepted to a prestigious research fellowship at the National Intelligence Council located at C. I. A. Headquarters in Washington intesne. DC In this position. She would have access to more classified information than ever before. As soon as Scott I heard the news of honors pending job. Change his sense of urgency spiked. Not only was. He worried about the secrets she might share with the Cubans but he also feared that if she left the dia the investigation might be dropped. Scott's authority only extended to agency employees he he had to delay her reassignment long enough to get the evidence the F. B. I.. Needed to open a broad scale investigation Scott Coordinated Hawarden aided with his team at a few select higher ups to devise various pretexts for putting off on a start date ANA frustrated. Aided but not yet suspicious went back to life as usual. She stuck to her schedule at work and home. Investigators tailed her for the months without seeing a thing even a thorough search of her apartment turned up no incriminating evidence. The Queen of Cuba so good at covering her tracks that after nine months of Investigation Scott began to wonder if he'd made a mistake but his the team had one play left. ANA had a tote bag that she carried with her everywhere may be the reason why she kept it. So close was that it contained her spycraft materials. That seemed like a long shot but after almost a year of fruitless investigation it was all Scott Right and his team members had left on August sixteenth. Two thousand one forty four year old on. I entered her cubicle at eight eight. Am just like always. She placed her tote bag on the corner of her desk like usual then at ten. AM Some supervisors calder into a conference room. While they kept her occupied Scott and a few others slipped into on his cubicle and conducted a quick and stealthy stealthy search. They found a single slip of paper with handwritten codes that on a used to send messages by payphone. It wasn't much but it was enough using the decryption software. The FBI had confiscated from the WASP network. Investigators is decoded the numbers and determined. That ANA was definitely working with the Cubans. Scott it was exultant but he still wasn't satisfied. He now knew that had been betraying her country for years. He wanted to approve exactly what services she provided to the Cubans. The only way to do that was to allow on it to continue spying until they managed to catch her in the act with this plan in mind Scott had his team put everything back right where they found it so went on a return turned to her cubicle. She saw nothing amiss. She simply carried on with her day and went home at the usual time. In other circumstances ANA might have continued her undercover work for months or even years before Scott's team made their final move but September eleventh two thousand one change the trajectory of her and many other Americans lives forever. The nine eleven terrorist attacks were shocked the world and perhaps above all to the intelligence community. Who couldn't believe leave? They didn't see it coming. Scott Carmichael saw the smoke from his lower floor office at the Dia that morning but ANA had had a better view from the top story of the building. She saw dark clouds billowing from the Pentagon and from her years of experience she probably knew. This didn't bode well for her. The attack represented a horrific failure on the part of the intelligence community agencies. Sees would soon be cracking down. Which meant ANA would be an investigator sites yet again? Perhaps that's why. She went on on alert within the next few days. She suspected that she was being followed. She wasn't sure by whom but she sensed it was only a matter of time before four. They made their move as the smoke cleared on the. US prepared for war. Ana was once again faced with the decision. She could flee use her fake passports to make her way into Cuba to safety among her friends or she could stay and keep fighting for the cause. 'cause she'd chosen ten years ago even at the cost of her own life the mere fact that she considered continuing continuing under these circumstances suggest that Anna may have suffered from a martyr complex. According to psychologist Dr Ursula sandner mergers mergers are typically willing to sacrifice anything for others. They tend to feel that if no one needs them they have no value and they often exaggerate their importance in group efforts believing that if they were to stop participating the endeavor would fall apart given these qualities ladies and her past behavior. It's not surprising that ANA decided to stay. She later said she didn't WanNa give up on the people she was helping but chances this is our she couldn't bear to think they might be all right without her. On September twenty first two thousand one Ana arrived at her office and started work as usual but at ten fifteen. Am She got a call from a supervisor saying that there was a problem with one of her subordinates. Ordinance he didn't have time to deal with it so he needed on to come down to the office and take care of it for him on. A readily complied when she reached the office however she didn't find a beleaguered colleague instead she found two members of Scott Carr Michael's investigative of team. She was under arrest like always ana kept her cool. She claimed her right to remain silent and asked for or legal counsel. A female officers searched her and then the team let her out of the building in handcuffs on was so quiet that most of her colleagues didn't even look up as she went by word of the arrests. Got Out soon enough. Within a few months Cuban officials began to acknowledge the loss of one of their greatest intelligence assets. Although Fidel Castro himself made no public comments laments Foreign Minister Felipe Perez. Roque wrote an email. I feel deep respect and admiration for Ana Belen Montanez. She acted compelled by ethics and an admirable sense of justice in the United States. However many of those who knew Ana were were devastated her coworkers were shocked to learn that the Dia Star was actually a hardened criminal? Her Siblings Lucy A. and Tito were humiliated by the revelation that their own sister was a traitor. They feared they'd lose their jobs at the FBI. Fortunately Senate lead. This didn't happen but to ANA it didn't seem to matter either way. She didn't apologize for her actions nor did she feign innocence since she simply said about handling her arrest with the same precision as her double life. She hired the same top up notch. Attorney who had defended. CIA Spy Aldrich Ames fifteen years before the lawyer worked out a deal. ANA would plead guilty feet to one count of conspiracy to commit espionage and serve a twenty five year sentence in the fall of two thousand. Two the forty-five-year-old Queen of Cuba was officially deposed but in her sentencing on October sixteenth on a spoke defiantly in in defense of her crimes. She said I engaged in the activity. That brought me before you because I obeyed my conscience rather than the law. Aw I did what I thought right to counter a grave injustice in the eyes of many this is exactly what makes on on a montage as such a dangerous criminal more than fifteen years have passed since she was escorted to a federal prison but ANA has has yet to express remorse for betraying her country. She scheduled for release in two thousand twenty three as for what Ana will do with her freedom. Only time and very close observation will tell thanks again for tuning into female criminals. We'll be back Wednesday with the new episode. You can find all episodes of female criminals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. 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Operation Northwoods

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Operation Northwoods

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Castro's communist regime, but the invasion proved disastrous from the moment the exiles reached the shore the landing party which had no air support. And no naval. Support was greeted by will on Cuban troops on the ground within forty eight hours. The invasion was the really crushed. And almost twelve hundred of the rebel fighters were taken prisoner by the Cuban army, despite the United States public disavowals. Everyone knew that the invasion was planned by the US government. And instead of delivering a resounding blow to the Cuban communist party. The failed bay of pigs invasion only served to push Fidel Castro further into the arms of the Soviet Union. The Cold War just got chillier and as Castro's government amassed more power as well as global allies. The United States was forced to consider more extreme options for deposing the ruler option. So extreme that they remain classified for thirty five years. Welcome to conspiracy theories on the par cast network every Wednesday. 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This is the first of two episodes about the events leading up to operation north woods government-sanctioned plan to cultivate, support for a war against Cuba. Officially the plan was never put into operation. But some of the proposals included faking a Cuban attack on Guantanamo Bay and blowing up a US military ship to incite outrage. From American citizens today will be focusing on the historical events surrounding US Cuba relations, including the bay of pigs and the Cuban missile crisis next week will explore some of the most popular conspiracy theories surrounding tumultuous era, and the possibility that a plan similar to operation north woods was actually put into effect on September eleventh two thousand one. The nineteen forties and fifties were tumultuous time in the global political arena. The US watched with trepidation as communism and by extension the Soviet Union gained power low taught political leaders of the United States saw communism as a direct threat to the democracy that dominated western countries. And as such did their best to curb, it's spreading influence, America's next door. Neighbor. Cuba was going through its own political turmoil. At the time several leaders came in winter in the forties and fifties, most of whom came into power with the assistance of full Halcion, Batista of former military sergeant but he still was elected president of Cuba in nineteen forty and ruled for four years, even though he was defeated in the election of nineteen forty four, but he still remained an influential political. Figure and in nineteen fifty two after a series of elected presidents had proven inefficient, but Teesta cancelled the nineteen fifty two elections in led a military coup seizing power once again as the coup would suggest Batista was more interested in helping himself than helping the Cuban people once he was back in power Batista's. First moves were to suspend the constitution and revoke civil and political liberties, including the rights of workers to strike despite all this the United States firmly supported his rule, but he still was strictly capitalist and in the tense Cold War era, the US tended to prefer a corrupt authoritarian capitalist ally to a fairly elected communist rival, even more importantly, but Teesta was willing to work with a US for their mutual self interest, which meant allowing US-based corporations to dominate Cuba's industries. At the expense of the island, smaller companies and average workers. The US already had significant property in Cuba such as sugar mills and oil refineries and not only was it safe under Batista's capitalist rule. It was thriving. It's estimated that at the height of Batista's rule. Seventy percent of the nation's arable land was owned by foreign companies and individuals. But while the US was willing to turn a blind eye to the rampant corruption within by teased as government the Cuban people were less enthusiastic about the setup while he was cozying up to foreign interests. But Teesta was ignoring the economic concerns plaguing the island such as the high unemployment rate and growing wealth gap between the rich and poor one of his most outspoken critics was a political activist and lawyer named Fidel Castro in nineteen fifty two. Fidel Castro was far. From the communist leader, we've come to know in our history books after Batista's coup. The twenty six year old budding activists took to the courts and tried to prove that the dictators power grab was against the Cuban constitution. But the courts refused to listen to Castro's case by the end of nineteen fifty to his new goal became clear, if there was no way to oust Batista would legal maneuvering and Castro would have to do it with force. With the help of his brother Raoul. Fidel Castro's started gathering followers to join his so-called movement. Their first target was the Mon Cada military barracks. The second largest military garrison on the island on July twenty six nineteen fifty three Fidel Raoul and one hundred sixty of their followers mounted their attack. Their mission was simple. Take control of the barracks. Send out a message via the basis advanced audio equipment and rally the Cuban people an army to rise against the Tarango, Batista. The rebel set out at dawn on the twenty sixth in high spirits, but reality soon became apparent. They were outnumbered and outgunned and their attack. Was quickly squashed by the Cuban military. Both Castro brothers were taken into custody. The July twenty six attack may not have been successful. But it became a highly symbolic moment in Cuban history. It was the first open organized attack against Batista and was retroactively seen as the beginning of the Cuban revolution Castro later, named his group of followers the twenty sixth of July movement. In nineteen fifty three. The United States was already taking drastic measures to defeat the ever spreading reach of communism. Both at home and abroad to give a sense of the political atmosphere. Just one month before Castro's ill-fated attack to controversial executions were carried out in America's ongoing war against communism. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg the Rosenbergs were charged with infiltrating the Manhattan project where the United States was developing the first atomic bomb and passing information along to the Soviet Union at their trial US, attorney Irving sable remarked in his opening statement, quote, the evidence will show that the loyalty and alliance of the Rosenbergs were not to our country. But that it was to communism communism in this country and communism throughout the world and quote, both Rosenberg. Bergs were convicted and receive the death penalty. Couple sentence was carried out on June nineteenth nineteen Fifty-three. It's no surprise. Then that the US government would react with similar hawkish nece. When a communist movement started taking control of country, less than one hundred miles from the coast of Florida. Two years after the July twenty six attack Fidel and Raul Castro were released from jail after political pressure to reform his dictatorship, but Teesta decided to grant the two political dissidents clemency and allow them to rejoin Cuban society upon his release Fidel Castro fled to Mexico where he joined with other self imposed Cuban exiles, including the infamous or Nesto chain Guevarra who long to see Batista overthrown Castro and his fellow exiles continued plotting to wrestle control of their homeland away from Batista and within a few short months. They were ready to strike again on November twenty fifth nineteen fifty six Castro and his 'exiles sailed for Cuba, the twenty sixth of July movement as they call themselves waged a bloody war against Batista government for years with victory. And losses for both sides Castro's movements slowly gained more popular support over the years as Batista dictatorship cracked down harder on its people. The United States was aware that the friendly capitalist regime was going belly up in March of nineteen fifty eight they imposed an arms embargo against Cuba and suspended deliveries of US goods to the Cuban government in effect a diplomatic way to cut ties by the end of nineteen fifty eight Castro's revolution. Captured major towns in a winning offensive culminating on January first nineteen fifty nine one full hence, yoga t stuff lead the country. Cuba, officially belonged to Fidel Castro. The United States wasn't pleased with the news. They had hoped that amid the chaos Batista could be replaced with a president. They chose who would be receptive to American interests. When. Castro took control the US held out. Hope they could reach an agreement with the revolutionaries who just oppose the dictator. They had long supported even though two of the movement's primary objectives were a redistribution of land and the nationalization of public services. Castro's government wasn't initially a communist regime on January seventh nineteen fifty nine. President Eisenhower secretary of State John foster Dulles reported that Cuba's provisional government, quote, appears free from communist taint. And there are indications that it intends to pursue friendly relations with the United States, and quote, Eisenhower publicly recognize the new Cuban government and even welcomed Fidel Castro to Washington DC in April nineteen fifty nine, but when Castro and vice president Nixon finally met face to face, the new Cuban leader's remarks left the administration with considerably more trepidation. Nixon wrote a report based on his conversation with Castro in which he outlined Castro's anti private business leanings in his reluctance to institute elections for the island as Castro pointed out to Nixon, quote, the people did not want elections because the elections in the past produced bad government in court Nixon concluded that Fidel Castro was quote, either incredibly naive about communism or is under communist discipline, and that the United States had quote, no choice, but to try and orient him in the right direction over the course of the next few months as Castro's regime strengthened its hold over the island in implemented socialist practices such as nationalizing privately owned businesses. It became clear that Castro was beyond US influence on November fifth nineteen fifty nine the changing attitude towards Castro's Cuba was caught a fide in a memo from newly-appointed. Secretary of state Christian Herter, he wrote quote, all actions and policies of the United States. Government should be designed to encourage within Cuba and elsewhere in Latin America opposition to the extremist, anti-american course of the Castro regime. Harder was also clear on one other objective. He was adamant that US involvement in Cuba, be kept entirely secret. And that the White House quote should avoid giving the impression of direct pressure or intervention against Castro in quote, he believed that the UN and the rest of the world would turn against United States if they were seen meddling in the affairs of other countries tensions continued to rise between Cuba and the United States when a Soviet official honest us McCoy on visited Cuba in February nineteen sixty a CIA briefing on the visit reported that the USS ours position on Cuba quote. Has shifted from cautious attitude to one of active support Eisenhower's government responded in turn on March seventeenth nineteen sixty he approved a CIA proposal, titled a program of covert action against the Castro regime. The paper which outlined plans to form an opposition group in exile into train of paramilitary force for deployment into Cuba was the precursor to the bay of pigs incident and set the tone for US Cuba relations for the next fifty years. Coming up next. We'll take a look at the presidential election of nineteen sixty Kennedy's campaign promises as tensions with Cuba mounted and the disastrous invasion at the bay of pigs. Now back to the story. By nineteen sixty u s relations with Cuba had all but completely deteriorated. Cuba was seen as an extension of the Soviet Union. America's greatest enemy and the island nation's close proximity to Florida cost alarm for politicians and everyday Americans alike. In July, nineteen sixty President Eisenhower imposed a sugar quota on Cuba crippling. The island's economy Castro responded a month later by nationalizing all American properties on Cuban soil, including properties owned by the US government. And by American citizens for the US government watching their assets be swallowed up by communism was both a financial and ideological blow the issue of Cuba loomed as America came together for the election of nineteen sixty vice president Nixon was running on behalf of the Republican party. And for the Democrats. The candidate was relative newcomer. John F Kennedy Kennedy was younger the Nixon by four years and lacked Nixon's experience in the White House. But he was undeniably charismatic and he didn't hold back in his attacks on the current administration's Cold War record at a democratic dinner in Cincinnati, Ohio on October, sixth Kennedy called Cuba's descent into communism and Eisenhower's failure to stop it quote. The most glaring failure of American foreign policy today in his opinion continuing to uphold Batista's regime, despite its shortcomings is what allowed communism to take. Hold of the island. He even referred to Cuba as quote, the once friendly island that our own shortsighted policies helped make communism's first Caribbean base and quote. Towards the end of the speech. He stated quote, what can a new administration do to reverse these trends for the present. Cuba is gone. Our policies of neglect and indifference have let it slip behind the iron curtain and for the present. No magic formula will bring it back on October twenty first nineteen sixty Kennedy reinforced his message at another political rally on the campaign trail, quote, we must attempt to strengthen the non Batista democratic anti-castro forces in exile. And in Cuba itself who offer eventual hope of overthrowing Castro, thus far these fighters for freedom have had virtually no support from our government. Everyone was on the same page. It would only be a matter of time before America needed to make a move against Cuba's encroaching communist government. John F. Kennedy was elected president on Tuesday, November eighth nineteen sixty in one of the closest elections in US history. Even though he wouldn't be sworn in until the next January. His legacy was already being cemented. In December nineteen sixty Kennedy was brought into the White House and updated on the government's ongoing plan to train Cuban exiles and send them into the country with the hopes to spur an uprising against Castro. Similar to the one Castro had spurred against Batista at that point, the invasion, which would later be named after the landing location. The bay pigs was already progressing three days after Kennedy was brought into the White House. Eisenhower authorized a seven week training program in Guatemala meant to train the Cuban exiles and prepare them for an official attack. Even at that. Early stage. There were doubts about the plans probability of success. The invasion hinged upon the exiles ability to gain the support of their fellow Cubans and start an uprising throughout the island. Colonel Edward D, Lansdale and adviser on the project and an expert in guerrilla warfare doubted that this would be possible, and he told the CIA as much but the operation moved forward as planned. On January third nineteen sixty one Eisenhower's government officially broke diplomatic relations with Cuba, one of the outgoing administrations last acts several days later on January nineteenth president-elect Kennedy met with Eisenhower to discuss the Cuban operation. Eisenhower updated Kennedy on the progress of the invasion plan and endorsed it as the best chance for the United States to top Castro's government. A record of the meeting reads. As follows quote, Senator Kennedy asked the president's judgment as to the United States supporting the guerrilla operation in Cuba. Even if this support involves the United States publicly the president replied, yes, as we cannot let the present government there. Go on the next day. Kennedy was sworn into office and tasked with getting rid of Castro once and for all as soon as. Kennedy took over the plan to invade Cuba different opinions began to emerge regarding how best to execute the operation the CIA pushed for the Cuban exiles to mount their attack from Guatemala. They hope that even if the exiles weren't immediately successful in kick starting revolution. They could hide out in the mountains for long enough to stoke a full on civil war in Cuba. If there was already an ongoing conflict in Cuba. The United States could justify bringing in their own military forces to help the island find peace the State Department. However was less enthusiastic about the plan. They were concerned that American involvement in the initial invasion would be much more difficult to disguise than the CIA hoped. And they believe the political consequences of meddling in Cuban affairs, would far outweigh the benefits of unseating Castro. For his part, president Kennedy consistently pushed for alternatives to an outright invasion in February of nineteen sixty one. He asked for an examination of all possible options that were more moderate than an armed conflict. But the CIA advisors on the project remained adamant, Richard missile, the CIA as deputy director of plans believe that an invasion led by Cuban exiles would be the US government's last chance to bring down Castro without overt military intervention. Busily had always been an advocate for a strong handed response against Castro. Several months prior he tried to execute several assassination attempts on the communist leader, believing that this was one of the most effective ways in which they could topple the regime as the operation progressed. Kennedy continued to push back fearing the fallout if the US's involvement was leaked. A month before the planned invasion. Kennedy prompted the US joint chiefs of staff to switch the location from the old colonial city of Trinidad to the bay of pigs where the mechanics of the operation would be easier to hide this brought about its own problems. Trinidad was a firmly anti-castro town with mountains nearby where the invading party could seek shelter. If necessary the bay of pigs offered no natural defenses in the population was decidedly pro Castro, but with the location change made Kennedy was on board to proceed with the operation. To ensure that the Cuban locals would revolt with the rebels and to mask the United States involvement. Another concurrent plan was devised. Kennedy's government would implement a trade embargo on Cuba, severely limiting the resources coming into the island, and hopefully creating on rest amongst the civilian population. Then when the invasion struck the CIA believed that the economic difficulties would bring to the surface and spark the Cubans to join the rebellion. Even if the operation wasn't successful Bisset convinced Kennedy that the exiles could go gorilla and continue to stir up trouble for Castro from the mountains as Castro himself once did for the Batista regime. Unfortunately for the Kennedy administration Castro and his government became aware of the planned, invasion months before the exiles reached the bay of pigs. Despite the US government's attempts to keep the operation as secret. Rumors abounded through the ex Pat Cuban community that anti-castro Cuban exiles were being trained and prepared to attack. It has also been established that Castro had double agents infiltrate the training camps and train alongside the invading force which was nicknamed brigade. Twenty five o six because of this Castro knew that an invasion was being planned. He didn't know the exact date, but the island was on red alert on April fifteenth nineteen sixty one two days before the planned bay of pigs invasion members of brigade. Twenty five o six flew unmarked planes over Cuba and targeted airbases with the intention of destroying the military's air support before they could squash, the invasion, the attack destroy. Royd close to eighty percent of Cuba's air forces the official cover story as told by the Cuban invaders and the US was that the men flying the planes or Cuban soldiers who had become disillusioned with the Castro government and attack their own base before flying to the United States to defect but Fidel Castro immediately suspected American involvement. He claimed that his army would never turn on him. The Cuban foreign minister Raoul row called an emergency session at the United Nations that same afternoon and demanded that the United States take responsibility for the attack the US ambassador to the UN Adly Stevenson wasn't aware of America's involvement in the attack. He vehemently denied any responsibility and held up photos of the planes claiming that the design was Cuban not American on. Fortunately, this only served as evidence for the q. Cubans on closer inspection. It was clear the planes had metal noses and the noses of Cuban planes were uniformly made of plastic. Kennedy and his administration were thoroughly embarrassed by the incident embarrassed enough to cancel phase, two of the planned, invasion, an airstrike. That would take out the remaining twenty percent of Cuba's planes. The choice was a political one rather than a military one and ended up having serious consequences after the first attack. The Cuban military was on red alert for an invasion, and when a beacon was spotted on the bay of pigs the entire military, including the remaining air force's flock to the area the tide was against a landing party. Meaning it took them longer than -ticipant to reach the shores of Cuba. But once they did the Cuban military was ready and waiting for them and the promised US air and naval. Support was nowhere to be found. The US government was so concerned that their involvement would be noticed that they scaled back their own forces. Leaving the invading exiles with very little backup. Castro's military squashed the meagre invading forces within forty eight hours taking close to twelve hundred prisoners worst of all the United States involvement became known to everyone just a few days later on April. Twenty first nineteen sixty one Kennedy accepted full responsibility for the failed invasion. What was meant to be a resounding blow against Castro's administration ended up sparking outrage and indignation at the Americans. Instead, it also pushed a wedge between Kennedy and the military advisers responsible for the operation leaders within the administration were tasked with discovering. What went wrong and several months after the attack? The CIA inspector general Lyman Kirk Patrick pointed several accusatory fingers ritual Vissel the operative in charge of the bay of pigs. Peration came under attack the Cording to Kirk Patrick. He failed to tell the president that quote success had become dubious Kirk Patrick also place blame on Tracy Barnes, a CIA operative with oversight of the Cuba project. A formal board of inquiry determined in June of nineteen sixty one that in order for an invasion of this scale to work. It would have needed significantly more firepower and air support which would have given away US involvement in short. There could be either victory or secrecy and Kennedy had made the choice for everyone with the inquiry also discovered that the CIA should have foreseen. This problem months before the attack actually happened giving them time to course. Correct. It's hard to say why didn't intimate the failure. Or if they did why they didn't tell president Kennedy about it. The bay of pigs may have failed. But the disaster only made the Kennedy administration more eager to overthrow Castro once and for all the only question that remained was wet links. They were willing to go to in order to accomplish. That goal. Coming up will examine the new plans the Kennedy administration considered including the deeply controversial operation northwards project. Now back to the story. In April nineteen sixty one president John F Kennedy publicly accepted responsibility for the bay of pigs invasion and its failure. But privately he believed that the CIA operatives in charge of the project led him a stray he fired the CIA as director, Alan dollas, and deputy director of plans, Richard missile and in November nineteen sixty one he moved forward with a new plan called operation Mongoose Kennedy gave control of the operation to Edward Lansdale. Who had predicted that the bay of pigs operation would be unsuccessful instead of resorting to military tactics. Immediately operation Mongoose relied on stirring, up anti-castro sentiments that already existed on the island and pursuing underground strategies to destabilize the regime. The end goal was to provoke a revolt against Castro without having to directly instigate. At one the operation had six phases. Ending with a US military invasion to secure a new democratic government for the island, the Kennedy administration still disapproved of American military action in Cuba, but they agree to it. If Lansdale could create enough unrest in Cuba to make the invasion. Look like a quest to save a country on the brink of destruction rather than an unprovoked attack to preserve American interests. Operation Mongoose began with a formal embargo on Cuba in February of nineteen sixty two. The coming phase is laid out plans for economic sanctions and underground missions to bolster anti-castro sentiments such as funding existing rebel groups and turning public support against the Soviet Union. The ultimate goal was a full scale American invasion by the fall of nineteen sixty two. But in the first two months, the operations early stages weren't going as planned the Cuban locals were more firmly loyal to Castro than previously thought and the underground sabotage missions only increased anti-american sentiment in Cuba. This early failure led to the development and proposal of operation north woods. One of the most critiqued and controversial documents ever produced by the United States government. While the previous plan operation Mongoose had relied on stirring, up unrest on the island of Cuba, Lansdale missions weren't sticking and the clock was ticking Lansdale needed to look toward more options. If the US still hope to invade Cuba by Tober, he asked general Lyman Leme Netzer the joint chief of staff for a quote brief but precise description of pretext which would provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba that proposal which was called operation. North woods was presented on March thirteenth nineteen sixty two. The objective stated within the memo was to quote, heighten US Cuban tensions and justify US military intervention by placing the states in the position of suffering justifiable grievances. In other words, the goal was to make the US. Look like the victim before they went charging in. Into cuba. General limits are proposed that world opinion should be favourably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash irresponsible. So if the US going to look like the victim Cuba needed to look like a super villain. Neely question is how some of the ideas outlined in the memo included staging an attack on the US base at Guantanamo Bay by blowing up a US ship and blaming it on Castro. The document also discussed sinking a boat full of Cuban refugees on route to the United States painting Cuba as a vicious government. That would kill its own citizens and using drone to stage aircraft being shot down by the Cubans instead of stirring, up unrest. And hoping that a revolution would spring up and Cuba of its own accord operation, northwood suggested that the shore way. To guarantee US military involvement without alienating the rest of the world was to stage. False flag attacks to turn the world against Cuba. Even if it meant incurring civilian casualties operation. North woods was immediately shut down by Kennedy's administration, and general Leme Nassar was reassigned to NATO shortly afterward. The proposal was never put into effect officially at least. But this incident only escalated the growing tension between Kennedy and the CIA they believe the rejection of the proposal was evidence that Kennedy was going soft on Cuba, their previous attempts to provoke the Cuban population to revolt had been unsuccessful and Castro himself, refused to attack American soil or property. So something drastic had to be done before. It was too late. He though operation Mongoose wasn't. Quite working as intended Cuba and the Soviet Union had read the writing on the wall, and guests that a US attack was imminent, Cold War tensions between the US and the Soviet Union. We're only growing more frigid in April of nineteen sixty to the United States implemented a series of nuclear missiles in Turkey known as the US Jupiter missiles this alarm the Soviet Union as the missiles were primed for deployment and within easy striking distance of Moscow Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev figured out a way to kill two Burge with one stone by offering Fidel Castro's government nuclear weapons of their own crucify hope this would provide Cuba some leverage against a US invasion and also ensure that the Soviet Union was able to retaliate in case of US nuclear strike after consulting with top Cuban leaders Castro accepted Khrushchev's off. Her and the Soviet Union began shipping arms and weaponry over to their Cuban cousins. The CIA was informed of the weapon shipments in September of nineteen sixty to the Soviet Union claim that they were only sending agricultural equipment and supplies, but US intelligence received countless reports both from Cuba and from their allies that this was much more than farming equipment. The US confronted the Soviet Union about these alleged arms shipments later that month, but the Soviet ambassador insisted that they were only sending Cuba defensive weapons that excuse didn't work for long on October fourteenth, nineteen sixty two U2. plane, flew over Cuba's, western shore and analysis of the photos two days later showed that the Soviet Union had been building sites for intermediate range nuclear missiles, this discovery was caused for immediate alarm from the white. House. The world had already seen the destruction a nuclear bomb could cause in Cuba. Now had these missiles on hand just ninety miles from the American border Kennedy and his administration spent the next six days locked up trying to figure out how to prevent an all out war upon further examination. It became clear that the missiles weren't ready to be fired quite yet. But they could be in as little as two weeks the White House had to act and quickly some and Kennedy's administration. Specifically the joint chiefs of staff advocated for an immediate attack on Cuba with or without provocation. They discussed the possibility of an air strike to take out the missiles, but the plan would involve casualties on both sides, something Kennedy hope deeply to avoid on October twenty first nineteen sixty two Kennedy called for the Soviet Union to remove. Their weapons from Cuba. I call upon chairman Cuccia to hall and eliminate this clan to Stein, reckless and provocative threat to world peace and a stable relations between two nations the next day. Kennedy decided to enforce a full naval blockade with the hope of preventing any further weapons shipments to Cuba. Then convened a press conference and announced the situation to the world nuclear missiles, sat just off the coast of Florida ready to strike at any moment. He demanded that the Soviet Union dismantle the sites and mmediately and withdraw all weapons from Cuba. The policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the western hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States requiring four retaliatory response on the Soviet Union crews chef refused to do. So and Kennedy made preparations for a full military, invasion. The world stood in trepidation on October twenty fourth as a Soviet ship made its way to the naval blockade near the border of Cuba. If it attempted to pass the blockade line, it would result in a military response that might spark a nuclear war, but the ship stopped short of the line. Kennedy patiently waited for Khrushchev and Castro to make move despite his administration's calls for preemptive action sometime between October twenty six twenty twenty-seventh Khrushchev sent to back to back letters to Kennedy. The first. I promise to withdraw Soviet missiles in exchange for a promise that the US wouldn't invade Cuba. The second letter laid out slightly different terms the Soviet Union would withdraw their missiles from Cuba, only if the US withdrew. There's from Turkey Kennedy's administration decided to respond only to Khrushchev's first letter and promise not to invade Cuba is agreed upon terms were announced to the world as the crisis drew to a close privately. Kennedy also agreed to withdraw the missiles from Turkey, but only several months after the USSR withdrew there's from Cuba the Soviet Union. Agreed both publicly and privately. They began dismantling the missiles and on November twentieth. Nineteen sixty to the US officially lifted its blockade on Cuba. Kennedy was later praised for navigating the tense situation and preventing things from escalating into an all out war. But not everyone was happy with the peaceful solution top CIA leaders and the joint chiefs of staff had advocated for military invasion, and they felt that Kennedy had blinked in this international game of chicken some within his administration. Started to believe that Kennedy didn't have the grit necessary to get the job done. There was another consequence of the peaceful. Resolve the United States was obligated to uphold their agreement not to invade Cuba. Because of this agreement Castro would remain in power until two thousand eight becoming the longest serving national leader of the twentieth century, and one of the most controversial, this peaceful, but unsatisfying conclusion left key leaders within the Kennedy administration wondering if they had completed the wrong mission. And if there was anything they could do now to reverse the tide. Next week. We'll explore some of the conspiracy theory surrounding US Cuba relations conspiracy theory, number one top military and CIA officials deliberately sabotaged the bay of pigs invasion to embarrass Kennedy and force him to commit more fully to overthrowing Castro conspiracy. Number two, John F Kennedy was assassinated in part because he refused to carry out operation north woods in the same officials who advocated for the operations implementation attempted to use his death as another reason to officially invade Cuba and conspiracy theory, number three operation north woods is proved that the US government is willing to conspire against its own citizens. And that it did indeed carry out a similar operation years later on September eleventh two thousand. One as we talk through the behind the scenes drama and intrigue leading up to the Cuban missile crisis will examine how Kennedy's goals during the sixties time period stood opposite to his joint chiefs of staff his topsy. 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8: The Castro Assassin, Part 2

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8: The Castro Assassin, Part 2

"Hey listeners this episode of covert features descriptions of violence torture and p._t._s._d. Listener discretion is advised october nineteen fifty nine roosevelt hospital morita laurenz had been involved in a whirlwind wind romance with the revolutionary fidel castro. She then became pregnant with his child but seven months into the pregnancy something happened that changed through the course of her life and had had these crying jags would curl up into a ball and cry is a uh wanting the baby and showing signs. Give me pills to calm down. Marita woke up in a car with her baby gone now suffering from blood poisoning she required immediate surgery and beside her and the american hospital the entire our time not her beloved fidel or even any of his aides but the f._b._i. Waiting to speak with her and maybe help her exact revenge they would have to have her so convinced that castro had absolutely betrayed her that is so lame was the united states overturn the u._s. government that the lives of above millions of american people people were state. Welcome to covert the show about the shadowy world of international espionage and top secret military operations operations so brisk all relax james bond and he was <hes> he used over thirty different aliases in his careers is fine as assess jamie rennell and i'm gonna take you inside history's greatest special operations missions to learn about the people well who risked their lives to eliminate threats and protect innocent lives just something the asian force growing in the united states was convinced that castro was a threat such a threat that he needed to be taken out to do that. They needed to convince someone close to him that he was a danger to humanity even by taking it to extreme measures. This is the castro castro assassin part two in the hospital room in new new york. A recovering morita lorenzo was starting to get the full picture of what had just happened. You're kevin ship is a former c._i._a. Agent it. It is apparent that she under a forced abortion in nevada and then the question would be was that done by the cuban government was done the u._s. government or the c._i._a. Morita herself believes she was induced into early labor. That means it was either. A miscarriage or the baby was still alive somewhere somewhere but whatever happened. Someone was responsible personally. I don't think i would have done that. It would be my opinion. Perhaps that castro himself may have been behind that he had several lovers and it's very possible that rita was not the only one and if the child was born and could have caused him possibly elitist political ramifications so that's just my opinion. I don't think personally based on what i know. The would've would've liked that low level. They did have some parameters of things that it could not would not do no no no absolutely not not him not eating and the reason to do that as five other boys with five other girls roles in now it wasn't it was somebody who wanted to destabilise fidel's personal situation and those people i can only inclusion our c._i._a. Back because of the article the which made fidel looked like kidnapper. You're a murderer of a teenager this killing her baby in all that may do it was to make it look like like a villain you're to the world. Whatever the case the cia were quick to use this as leverage against castro. If castro was behind this forced abortion and that would be probably could be probably the ultimate development tool to use with marita because that would be a classic betrayal. It's not just a classic betrayal by her romantic lover but also the loss of her child caused by caster so that would have been developed and topic number. One on the cia needed to de stabilize meritas idea of who castro was and at the same time use her other weaknesses against her she currently in the hospital away from friends or family and didn't have any money or resources of her own. It was the step in recruitment the c._i._a. Calls development element the agency would now know the vulnerabilities that marina had after the assessment and developer they would begin appealing to those vulnerabilities the buildings for example. She was betrayed. She was mostly traumatized probably by departure from cuba. She wound up in the u._s. Hospital alone probably had financial engines so they begin appealing to that building a level of trust of reaffirming her ego kind of her courage what she did through a developer into feeling feeling secure with with the officers that were handling at the time and befriended and build some trust and then basically win <music> over to our side using those particular types of techniques i the c._i._a. Agents tried to win her confidence by giving her home conference. After the hospital. Stay i was allowed to go home under twenty four hour guard and recover physically and mandalit mandalay the agency around the everyday giving me so-called vitamins. They're going to try to convince her that. The united states is the a good guy and fidel castro is the bad guys who met she'd been betrayed by fidel and developed in that in that aspect of it further and they we started this program. That's getting he did this to you. That's about fidel this doubt that he now this. You didn't know that oh how you doing too dumb and blind curse. They would keep me in the rule. They wouldn't open window. I would go out it would just bring food and i felt confined and all they ever talked about. Look here's more proof. Seize copies downtown and you have to get. We have to do something. You're the only one i can do. Something really wanted to cleanness all woah be a hero. No appreciate your new country. Get rid of the evil communists. That's that's infesting. Country not work for us now. I know a lot of my listeners. Owners are active or retired military so i want you to listen up. Were you diagnosed with tonight. As or hearing loss after using three m's dual ended earplugs. These earplugs were yellow and black or yellow and olive and they were often called christmas lights instead of protecting your hearing the actually permitted damaging sounds to get through true so if you were issued these earplugs while in service and then diagnosed with tonight's or hearing loss. 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Maria was unconvinced by most of their words words but the c._i._a. Was sure her resistance would give in sooner or later. She says they would give her drugs. That made her groggy and she often lost track of which agents were talking to her what they were saying so they kept me dreaming. I have is a a teddy bear little term to play with no nelson nelson talk to accept them. I would have these crying jags where would curl up into a ball and cry. Why is wanting the baby. Throw it hit me. Till's them and that's the anger coming out and you have to do something to get rid of that anger. They repeated things over and over and over were again relied on them totally for food flerfu. They were always there. I had no one else and i know where to go. Where was i going to go to cuba. Not that not running. I couldn't go to germany bubbles at sea. If you're the military my brother was on a concert too is a concert pianist his brother and joe the all. This one worked the u._n. Aside from working on her personal relationship with castro the cia also worked on her politically two of the f._b._i. Agents frank frank o'brien and frank blanket interviewed her about her past to search for any political associations. Morita told them about her mother and father's involvement in world war two. My mother and father were in tegucigalpa in the german embassy with all other high nazi the officials in how that became about. I don't know it just tells me that they were both spies. Both her parents ended up becoming double agents with that that story the c._i._a. Started to play on her mother's loyalty to democracy the final sentence recruitment process would be the pitch and that's when you you you actually ask the person to come over and work for the u._s. Intelligence and ultimately the u._s. government and at that point the hand or the case officer has got to be absolutely ludi convinced that the vulnerabilities are there the person has has accepted the offer for help or offered to come over to the u._s. government and so so they would have to have her so convinced that they would have quite a bit of evidence to do that so convinced that castro had absolutely betrayed her that is so lame aim was to invade the united states and overturn the u._s. government so there's only one option. She's got to come over and she's got to help the c._i._a. Said to me now you can work for us and how proud my mother would be an told me would be and you could shake hands with the president we could. You could be really proud to be hero yet money for life. You know get rid of the shame you know. Get back in good graces with your father. Maria says her mother's approval was a key factor in changing her mind. My mother was working for the u._s. Military in germany through their connections the c._i._a. Had reached out to meritas mother directly. Halis lorenzo was horrified about her daughter's affair and joined the c._i._a. A in convincing her about the evils of communism it was then morita also met the two agents that would play the biggest role in her life of espionage. One was alex rourke. That's that alexander i junior. The priest turned. Take me to church. I don't think about religion. The second was frank. Sturgis frank external juice. It was an ex marine now military pilot who joined the c. I was contract employees or full time. Employees worked out of the american embassy and they they were ex employees being paid. It would do a dirty. Were for for the c._i._a. Jim hunt sturgis. His nephew explains planes that sturgis and morita had actually met before her c._i._a. Recruitment i believe i read sometime fifty nine and he was part of the fidel's inner circle so he knew she was <hes> by may of nineteen fifty-nine. I think franken made up his mind. He was probably going to be leaving. Hugh because of the vote resolution towards communists sturgis had originally been part of castro's government but was soon disillusioned by it and turned double agent hunt says some of the rebels were promised democracy after castro's takeover and were angry that turned out to be ally the one of the first things he did was he trained anti castro guerrillas in the miami and the everglades during his whole life frank proably made maybe hundred reward incursions into clandestine incursions either by boat or by plant in october nineteen fifty-nine frank gun be twenty five year replant with advani pedro. We've been out of the air force and the two of them flew over vienna dropped. A bunch of any legal is all as as a matter of fact through the president with the leaflets being dropped on a fan of fidel break off diplomatic relations with the united states some people on the breast of real life james bond and he certainly was <hes> he used over thirty different aliases in his career and spine. It is an assassin. I live with frank for a year in college. He had hoped wore full of a a phony i._d.'s salaam for from a american countries i mean he the man was clearly it was a man of action i sit around and talk about his beliefs and and <hes> didn't like it as he didn't like the totalitarianism that was associated with with with communism in control of the total control the individual's life and the stand against those things and basically ways to thirty or against we'll get through with the conviction of alex sturgis and our roane mother morita finally willingly agreed to work with the cia on espionage against castro later reports said that meritas initial missions involved involved gathering intelligence on the pro castro movement in new york but in december the cia revealed that they had other plans for her we he wants to take about look. You just put this put something in his older. Put him to sleep and i said you turn to tell me to kill him and they said well. We don't use those words just kinda neutralizing he would. You'd never know you leave <music> acid. I can't kill him when freshers talked about various plus says nee fidel castro he told him to one of these was to use a want. Just generically inherently won't because they'll like women in in burrito. Laurenz was a woman who could get very close because of relationship and <hes> every bit as well and so she was a natural choice for this particular job. Morita was obviously hesitant but the cia had to convince her that that this is for the good of the innocence of the united states castro they said could very well start a nuclear war. They would have to have her so convinced. Vincent castro had absolutely betrayed her that is so lame was to invade the united states and overturn the u._s. Government that the lives of millions of american people the people were state that the constitution was at stake in possibly a nuclear war is at stake and she was one of the only ones that could stop that this i they bartered. Tell you that abi reward money for the rest of your life walking the white white house and be one of our favorite get a star it c._a. It works. I'm being euro and save lives. Just i think you will save this country from an evil communist albania and see what can i do to our young people. You will have no more free to soldiers. Were by the battlefield because you didn't do that. One small little thing there was another piece of information they revealed one that she hadn't known castro had been getting help from the soviet union park castro turn to soviet because of some of the policies of the united states heck we put the squeeze on castro we started with embargo cutting down on basics like medicine to the island in retaliation for castro nationalizing some in the industry so castro nowhere really deter at that point except to the soviets to supply him with with basic you know necessities basic need basic the time i really had that that sink in was when i saw the missiles fight photos of of the missile sites cuma missiles right the youtube pilot planes right and i saw the soviet freighters going in with all the hardware won't i is it off shit. They danced morita really started to believe castro was capable of this but she still wanted to see him again. The the c._i._a. Said they would send her back to cuba on the condition that she assassinate castro. They were back. Go back and i said yes of course will you can go back but could you do us favor you know this was this was told to me in in the sixty ninth street f._b._i. Office on the fourth floor with a table limit a button underneath it and there were two agianst was an alex started with this religious stuff. <hes> were gods. Who gives you know some people that do jobs like these. You'd be very important. You could shake hands with president. Save the united states from communism and a possible award beijing blah blah blah and this will maybe they weren't all that draw it can happen. He's going to if they don't watch what they deutsche. Unpredictable push button. I didn't prevent an invasion. If i were in just something to go to sleep i would it. We would not have an invasion force growing. Our morita was set to go back to cuba as a spy but i the c._i._a. A needed to be sure her six-week absence wouldn't raise any eyebrows in december of nineteen fifty-nine the c._i._a. Conducted a dry run of the mission morita was sent back to cuba briefly to see how castro would react to seeing more importantly though was to see see if she still had clearance to get close to that i could absolutely get close to i had the keys to the sleet with h h on a hilton twenty twenty four zero eight and i could just walk in and walk out morita used the excuse that she had mr family and had returned temporarily to new york. It seemed to work so from there the c._i._a. Center to miami where she met up with sturgis here they will be on equal footing is operatives when laura's bed with frank stories in january nineteen sixty to to proceed with this plot cast frank was working a hand in hand with the c._i._a. In an attempt to overthrow the government sturgis his job was to come up with a suitable murder weapon. Should it be a gun a knife but all those were too messy and marita wasn't yet skilled in hand to hand combat. Eventually sturges decided that poison pills would be the best bet to get hold of the poison. Jim hunt says sturgis might have tapped. Exo governmental source told me the story is told me the story. I suppose forty come up with poison a friend and he looked at me and i don't from some friends friends. He said that you see close family. It was about the american mafia had just as much grudge against castro as the c._i._a. Did the mob at enjoyed gambling outposts in cuba for fifty years but when castro came to power he kicked them out and most of the gambling van cuba liscio was controlled by the american and also cuban wing via the mafia the reason that they would do that. Obviously is you get these poisons illegally legally which unites do even officers would prefer to do sturgis gave maria a few pills containing botulism toxin the toxin hawks and would not be traceable to a specific source and was water soluble and critically for this scenario. The death would not be unpleasant. They caused is a very very very lack of a better term easy easy death in terms of some of them would just 'cause fidel the fall asleep asleep so they they would portrayed to her that look. This is a very easy way to go. Its you're not going to be pulling the trigger on a gun. There's no violence in this is a merciful way to do it. The problem was now to figure out when to set this into motion. Castro had no routine no set pattern. He was in havana one minute. Then across the other side of the island the next even his closest associates had little idea where he would be spending the night. He had no hours it no timing nobody could make an appointment with him. It was always a six or eight hours late. Supplies botches meant nothing and he would come in and he would he would come and go as pleased that he wished eventually the agents spotted. A pattern castro gave regular public television broadcasts to tell his people how they were all benefiting from the revolution. Whenever he went to make a live television in speech he would stay at his penthouse in the havana hilton so just after new year nineteen sixty marita was sent back to cuba on the way over morita was still going over the mission in her head not sure she was ready to play nervous. Don't do it and i could see them. All around you know beyond the gates flaming go to kill fidel this. This is one of those times was leading into one of the most times in u._s. History in terms of intelligence and military fall in the cold war <hes> our relationship with russia and their connection to cuba <hes> so this operation would have been of utmost importance to the end of the u._s. Government the trip from miami to havana takes about thirty minutes was long enough for morita to panic. She was nervous about carrying a weapon even pills. What if airport officials found them unquestioned her pills made me nervous and i took them out and i really cheated back puts his co. Coldstream job so i put the jar pushed back and i felt better than i put it back into my little hace ed. I felt be okay through customs customs. He made it through customs unchecked. It seemed like for now. The trick with cold cream worked her mission clear morita headed to the havana hilton to where she still had the key in the airport there and in hilton airbags him used my key walked right in the fall jacket on myself fueled hill but in the bathroom close gore and right now because i had the pills ajar don't don't do it as talking to myself and my god i could see the closing in on me. I felt i felt like the turtle wanting to put its hit on the shelves member coming out no way could ice skate trapped here trapped there. I have this man's life in my hands. Wow wall because of these tiny pills. I felt import. Hamels felt like was able to grasp that. I couldn't couldn't get out of that. I was going to be saving american lives. If i took this one god will forgive me. My heart was cried and oh god yeah was sketched. Shit absolute issue here and i took took over. The code hand was shaking. Morita was supposed to put the pills in castro's drink before he arrived but the pills were plastered. Turn cold cream it stuck to the small gelatin pills like glue. Just limp fell over. I tried to buy the co crave often. There was no way i could grasp ends of it with the sticky coal creek because if i did the insights would get the ruler bailey. My fingers would burn off. I was so scared of what was in them. Morita desperately had to abort the mission. I was panicking. I thought i heard is coming in and i get there. Wasn't the war me down around. One went down in the other one didn't then i had to get rid of all my smell like ponts critic <music> you're back but there was a different look in his eye face. He was more suspicious and i said yes castro had finally walked into the room faced with the man. She loved morita lost. Turn nerve. I love you. I love you back. Stay this and that and he said her where'd you. I've been up to hang around those by ame people an what he said that oh my god he knows uh he knows and he just looked at me shook his head enormous cigar like give you been on faith with to be that type of expression but now schaffel hanging around eight is called big bad word eh dawn you go to the wall for that. She had been gone too long. Castro was suspicious and fairly certain she was working with the c._i._a. Oh yea so what was he going to do next and then he just let our lab and did you because i was standing over yeah yeah and he took the gun out of a holster would in turn fifth around and he gave it to me white program though either though cities shoot me he was worse would second nervous and he definitely was. He turned to his side like scott gun on her man. What does she do she really did they get to her that much she get and then you just took a puff of smoke in c._p._r. Poses is is nobody could mean no. Nobody air the conflict in castro gave morita his gun. This was a second chance but marita castro both knew what she was going to do. I checked it the baggy scene out of the gun and clicked and at that he jumped a a little bit and he just looked at me and then i put the gun back in the holster chrome here wide open vulnerable line on the betters. I could've killed him. Marina left the sweet and headed back to the airport. She had failed the mission. Let held why do now within the c._i._a. Downstairs at the airport god and the failure france turns fill the arena lost her nerve on the titular aside mainly because from and films about fidel was very charismatic person francisco's mesmerized by so you can imagine not sure rita was too and frank felt you know she died there. You know the the old emotions if you will took over and she just wasn't willing to to kim took the dan his wasn't meritas was the first assassination attempt on castro's. Life was the closest closest. Anyone has managed to get to him. Since then there were an estimated six hundred thirty eight plots to kill castro ranging from an all all out invasion to exploding cigars poisoned pens and sniper attacks all of them failed castro died of natural causes in november november two thousand sixteen. He's survived quite if he was assignation. Only a few of them were were directed sponsored by the american governments many others the great majority of them. I think was sponsored by cuban cuban exiles who were militantly opposed violently opposed to the castro government. He created a very very powerful and thoroughly ruthless machine for internal security. He created one of the world's best intelligence and counter intelligence organizations. I counted five or six best intelligence organisations far intelligence agencies in the world and and fidel fidel survive survived because he was absolutely ruthless he whenever whenever he even had sent or a hint of opposition whether it was a group of cubans somewhere on the island or some individual prominent individual in his leadership even a hint of opposition was enough to <hes> to resulted in that person's political possibly their execution the year after frank sturgis gave morita the poison pills he helped plan the c._i._a. Funded bay of pigs invasion of cuba it was another failed attempt to overthrow the castro government. He was later arrested as one one of the watergate burglars sent by president richard nixon to break into the democratic national headquarters sturgis was imprisoned for thirteen months morita continue continue to work against the castro government. She received formal espionage and sharpshooting training during a fundraising mission she met the former president of venezuela leila marcos perez jimenez morita and peres had a brief affair and a daughter before he was imprisoned on charges of embezzling two hundred million in dollars. Morita still has her daughter but she says that years later she heard some shocking news from the two f. b. i. agents who initially recruited her first of all to agents that so late years later they should. We know you have a kid with him. Yeah we know we saw we know who raised them. Slim's andrei good-looking boy. This kind of against the agents in tampa florida told me that years later morita and her daughter spent time searching for andre but to no avail there is still a debate as to whether or not he exists in the next episode and will varo was seen by many as a hero spreading people led revolution throughout latin america but towards the end of his career things were getting out of control control and the f._b._i. Would send someone to take care of him. Felix rodriguez hated guevara but tried to spare his life instead he he ended up being the one who had him killed. I think it was very personal for <hes> for feelings. He saw his friends dying. We saw a lot of their businesses confiscated so a lot of good people her in this was his chance to do something good to bring down so who he believed was. That's next time on covert. 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Playa Giron | Part 7

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Playa Giron | Part 7

"Millions of people would refer to him as that bastard for most of his long life and personal opinions aside from illegal and semantic point of view they would be right perennially presenting himself as a man of the people he had nevertheless grown up on twenty. Three thousand Acre plantation and was the out of wedlock son of a man worth around five hundred thousand dollars at the time of his birth on August thirteenth. Nineteen Twenty six which is four and a half million dollars in today's money. His father was named on Hell. It'd be Angel. Two english-speaking years in photographs unhealthy looks remarkably like British actor. Sir Patrick Stewart. Who Played Captain Picard on STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION? He would go on to have five children by his first wife. Maria called Maria the wealthy by her family due to her obsessive intent to marry into money than buying expensive clothes and find jewelry fifteen years younger than her husband. The date of meritas. Death is not known with certainty. What is known with certainty? Is that one of on. Health friends introduced him to his niece named Lena. H Fifteen on hell hired. Who Made Twenty eight years younger than her employer? Lena would go on to bear seven children from Hell who married her. After the birth of their third child the one who would go on to become not only world famous but in fact iconic on hell would go on to have yet another out of wedlock child is thirteenth with a farmhand named Jennifer Rosa. Looking back on the life of Anhil Son. It seems clear that the boy had learned at least two formative lessons from his father. One of them was an attitude towards the rule of law as a young businessman on how would frequently sneak out in the dark of night silently crossing his initial two hundred acre plot. Bit by bit month by month you would. Slowly relentlessly extent his properties boundary posts becoming ever-larger ever closer to road and RAILWAY LINES IS GROWING PROSPERITY. Seems to have come largely from his exploitation of black plantation workers from nearby. Haiti in later years his son would recall unhealthy routinely buying politicians to advance. Whatever legal or illegal plans hit late? Now surely this idea of the law. Being a flexible thing was instilled in the sun by the time he was sent away to boarding school at the age of six frequent misbehavior at that school. Got Him expelled and sent to a private Jesuit Academy out in the country. A second lesson instilled in this rebellious misbehaving child was paradoxically an intense loathing of riches and capitalism and not so paradoxically a hatred of the United States on hell had fought in the Cuban war of independence against Spain or which in eighteen ninety eight finally escalated into the Spanish. American war extensively fought by the United States to defend Cuba from Spanish brutality. While renouncing any claims on the island while Americans had indeed help to throw off the Spanish. Yoke the initially grateful. Cubans watched with growing concern as the Treaty of Paris which ended the war transferred sovereignty of the Philippine islands from Spain to the United States which had also annexed the Hawaiian islands. That same year it was to everyone's misfortune that this brief period in American history was a time of yellow journalism and manifest destiny. Fake News hardly being a modern invention. This short but immensely destructive period of America's empire-building was a time denounced by Mark Twain and many others as America's loss of innocence and moral integrity. Certainly by the time unhealthy returned from the war. He harbored deep suspicions about the Yankee nation to the north which hardened into open hatred after years of dealing with the US conglomerate United Fruit this American war for the Liberation of Cuba somehow managed to become the trigger for well over a century of distrust and mutual loathing that remains to the present day because whatever the precise cause something had possessed on. Hell Costra Geese to name his eighth child. Fidel meaning truth the Russian Communist Party it also given their party newspaper the same name truth or Pravda in Russian and that name alone would be invaluable when it was later. Applied to a Marxist revolutionary the illegitimate son of a Cuban millionaire and his me of freedom promised Dance Ashby attended the only answer to communism is a massive offensive system of international control. And can you and I have a rendezvous with never never ask Mister Gorbachev tear down this with through shrewd planning sheer luck or both Fidel Castro benefit greatly from what we today refer to as optics the emotional response to how a thing appears a November twenty six nineteen fifty-six Fidel Castro ended his self imposed exile by sailing Mexico to Cuba with eighty-one other armed communist revolutionaries on a small dilapidated and leaky Prescott called grandma after a traumatic trip across the Gulf of Mexico. Grandma ran aground on Cuban soil in a mangrove swamp. The revolutionaries immediately fleeing inland hotly pursued by soldiers of the US. Back Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. By the time they've managed to stop running and set up camp. Only nine of the original eighty-one revolutionaries remained including. Castro's younger brother. Raoul and roles particularly Chris Matic Argentinian friend. A handsome young revolutionary named Che. Guevara bolstered by Cuban Recruits Castro. And his men began raiding. Small Remote Army outposts in order to obtain weapons in January of nineteen fifty seven. They attacked an outpost at La. Playa provided medical care for those of Batista's soldiers who've been wounded and summarily executed Chico Assalyah the corrupt deeply hated local mare and company overseer. This greatly impressed the Cuban people who began flocking to Castro in ever greater numbers. One of these new recruits was an American named. Frank Sturgis who smuggled guns for the revolution and who will later re enter the story as Petty Burglars Breaking Into a Washington Office complex in nineteen seventy two in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight. Batista launched an all out counterattack named operation but onnell operation summer. But despite the army's numerical and technological superiority they had no experience in guerrilla warfare by Tuber Castro's revolutionaries had launched a counter-offensive severing rail and road connections and cutting the island in half then on New Year's Eve during the final hours of nineteen fifty-eight. The Teesta fled the island with three hundred million dollars. Fidel Castro went on to form a communist dictatorship ninety miles south of key. West Florida Castro maintained image as a servant of the Cuban people for over a half century and saw a full eleven. Us Presidents Take Office in the Yankee Republic to the north admired by many leftists to this very day for his humble lifestyle in commitment to socialist egalitarianism there was one particular character defect that he kept well hidden but which had dogged him his entire life. Beck in nineteen forty at age. Fourteen Castro wrote a letter to us. President Franklin Roosevelt congratulating him on his reelection the boy who would become communist icon closed with this paragraph quote. If you like me give me ten dollars. Bill Green American in the letter. Because never I have not seen a ten dollars. Bill Green American and I would like to have one of them assigned at Senior Fidel Castro and hopefully included his return address iconic and Ironic I guess this communist revolutionary who claimed he lived in a fishing hut. Had rid the island of General Batista who fled Cuba with three hundred million dollars and has since onto become the poster boy for political corruption but when Fidel Castro finally fled the island on November Twenty Fifth Two Thousand Sixteen at the age of ninety. His Personal Bank account contained nine hundred million dollars three times that of the corrupt dictatorship ousted server bodies seem that magnificient painting of Washington crossing the Delaware. And everybody knows what it looks like. 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I think I have nine or ten oil portraits of myself surrounding the walls of the studio. It makes me feel cozy and right now as limited time offer you get thirty percent off your painting. That's right thirty percent off and free shipping now to get the special offer. Text the word cold to sixty four thousand. That's cold to sixty four thousand tech. C O L D to sixty four thousand America at a golden boy as well as young and handsome and athletic and smart when he was born. His influential father. Who was then. Mayor of Boston told the newspapers that this child is the future president of the nation. What went on said was that his Irish fathered also determined to make his son America's first Catholic president as well. Uganda all the right schools play football and rugby and was once on the rowing crew at Harvard. His father had been US ambassador to Great Britain when it entered the war in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine shortly after war came to America on December seventh nineteen forty one. This child of destiny enlisted in the United States Navy alongside his brother and received his commission as an ensign and then eventually a promotion to lieutenant is defining moment with comes the result of a twist of fate a fluke accident the change the course of history in mid nineteen forty four right about the time that the Japanese I deployed the world's first guided weapons the suicide submarines called Chi Tans and the suicide aircraft called kamikazes. The latest of the American experiments in guided missiles took place. It was a heavily modified. Pb Four why. The naval reconnaissance version of the army's consolidated B twenty four liberator. The liberator could fly further faster and carry half again as many bombs as her more glamorous cousin the B Seventeen Flying Fortress but this particular aircraft called beat. Kuwait was filled with something very different from the liberators. Normal eight thousand pounds of bombs instead it had been stripped a bomb racks radio and navigation stations and eight of its ten crew positions in place of the eight thousand pound bomb load. Bq eight that had been stuffed with twenty four thousand two hundred and forty pounds of high explosive poor pex fitted with remote controls. The aircraft was capable of being flown from a chase plane. Completely unman now. These controls were not sophisticated enough to allow complex activities like takeoff however and. Bq eight was never intended to make a landing. Two pilots would be aboard to fly the overloaded unarmed liberator off the runway wants at altitude which was a mere two thousand feet. The pilots would engage the remote controls. Stay on board for a few simple turns to ensure that the system was working arm the tour Pex and then parachute from the aircraft will still over England leaving the massive four engine bomber. Continue out into the North Sea controlled by a chase plane and then flown directly into the u boat pens on the tiny German held island of Heligoland be. Qa took off just after six PM on August Twelfth Nineteen Forty Four. This would be the first flight of Operation Anvil the Navy version of the cruise missile. The Army Mirror Image Program Operation Aphrodite. He had been a spectacular failure. Six previous attempts using no less than a full dozen. Remote control be seventeens usually resulted with the drone aircraft spinning out of control. Shortly after the crew jumped to safety the couple had been shot down by flak and one of them had stubbornly refused to obey its radio commands and began to circle the British industrial town of Ipswich out of control until it luckily ended up crashing into the sea. But this was the first time navy be twenty four had been tried in the Navy meant to show the army how it was done. The two pilots flew. Bq eight nicknamed the baby to two thousand feet where it successfully completed a remote controlled turn shortly followed by the radio call spade flush indicating that the pilots had armed the explosives. They then headed for the coast. The two pilots babysitting the bomber out to the bill position on the Far Eastern tip of the British isles two minutes after signaling spade flush and still several minutes away from the cruise scheduled departure by parachute fate intervene interviewed from his hospital bed when Lieutenant McCarthy flying behind Bq eight in the chase plane reported that quote. The baby just exploded in mid Air. As we neared at night was knock halfway back into the cockpit. A few pieces of the baby came through the plexiglass nose and I got hit on the head and caught a lot of fragments in my right arm I crawled back to the cockpit and lowered the wheels so that Bob could make a quick emergency landing unquote. No one knows what caused the massive explosion that instantly vaporized the two men on board navy. Lieutenant Wilfred J Willie and Navy Lieutenant. Joseph P Kennedy Junior the eldest son of Joseph p Kennedy senior formerly mayor of Boston and US ambassador to Great Britain late on Saturday afternoon. August twelfth nineteen forty four. The boy who would be king the first Catholic president of the United States of America died instantly on a top secret mission over the British isles. An event that devastated an almost broke. The iron will of his father almost but not quite joe. Junior was dead Joe. Seniors dream remained alive. The burden suddenly shifting from the man who grew up knowing he'd be president and onto the shoulders of his younger brother John who always assumed that his future consisted of little more than watching. It all happened. Thank Fellow Americans. Ask what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your back after nearly defeating Vice President Richard Nixon in the nineteen sixty election John F. Kennedy was inaugurated President on January Twentieth. Nineteen sixty one accompanied as is custom by the outgoing president in this case. Dwight David Eisenhower. I didn't trust Kennedy in fact he didn't much like him very much either. Communist Revolutionary Fidel Castro's triumphant entry into Havana on January ninth nineteen fifty nine had given Eisenhower two years to watch what was happening in Cuba. And he didn't like what he was seeing. Neither did vice president Richard Nixon and together. They started planning an operation designed to topple the wildly popular Fidel who had instituted a communist dictatorship less than one hundred miles off the coast of Florida just one month after he entered the capital to cheering crowds. Castro declared himself Prime Minister. He would later change that title to L. President and announced the due to the success of the revolution elections would no longer be necessary. Castro called this form of dictatorship direct democracy the Cuban people holding mass rallies where the people could democratically express their wishes and complaints to Fidel himself. Eisenhower already green lit a number of small-scale attempts to remove Castro from power but all it failed so in August of nineteen sixty. The Eisenhower Administration allocated thirteen point one million dollars to Allen Dulles and his CIA earmarked specifically for the overthrow of the Castro Regime Dulles had succeeded on a smaller scale in nineteen fifty four in Guatemala when the CIA successfully deposed democratically-elected left leaning President Jacob are Benz and replaced him with the military junta led by Carlos Castillo Armas Douglas's solution to the Castro. Problem was a plan for an invasion. That was not an invasion kind of strange new hybrid like career war but not war instead of landing. Us troops and storming the island enduring not only hostile fire but a hostile press hostile worldwide opinion to boot Dulles met with former Cuban army refugees assorted exile volunteers and other counterrevolutionary forces who had been together under the Name Brigade Twenty five six the CIA supplied this ad hoc group of fourteen hundred Brigadistas with small arms eight obsolete b twenty six bombers and tickets. Wata Malla where they were trained in secret for an all Cuban invasion of their former homeland scheduled for the middle of April. Nineteen sixty one. Now that meant that Eisenhower. Cia Run invasion was set to take place three months after Eisenhower had left office. It being generally assumed that President Nixon would be in office by them to carry out the operation neither Nixon nor Eisenhower trusted Kennedy enough to inform him of the invasion plans during the nineteen sixty election and so somewhat ironically. Kennedy's popularity rose. What he called for tough actions against the Castro government while those who were well on their way to actually overthrowing Fidel Castro had remained silent on the issue. This invasion plot was the second poisoned chalice that I could handed the young inexperienced. Jfk This evil smelling draw down almost immediately but having been passed to him Kennedy nevertheless grabbed the goblet with both hands and willingly drank from it would be the following year. Nineteen sixty two when he would have to drink from X. I poisoned chalice. Bombastic furious and revenge-minded Nikita Khrushchev. Who felt personally betrayed by the United States in general and Dwight D Eisenhower? In particular after the two surveillance aircraft piloted by Francis. Gary powers had been shut down over the Soviet Union in May of nineteen sixty. I think by this point. We've gotten to know each other pretty well. Saw just give you a little bit of personal information you may not have asked for. 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The success of Operation Pluto the shipborne invasion of Cuba by the fourteen hundred brigadistas. The soldiers comprising brigade twenty five or six depended on two key elements. The first BS was air. Cover the B twenty six bombers donated to brigade twenty five o six had been stripped of all US markings camouflage and serial numbers and painted to look like those being flown by the Cuban Air Force. Initially the landings were planned to take place near the town of Trinidad located on the southern coast about halfway down. The Long Island Trinidad had several attractions among them. Good port facilities a strong contingent of local anti-castro forces and a convenient escape route into the Escambray mounts. What Trinidad did not have was a runway? Big enough to safely operate the Brigadistas B twenty six bombers which were essential to the success of the Campaign Kennedy stated. He wanted to more remote location. The better to hide whatever direct. Us military forces that may prove necessary and so on April. Fourth Kennedy approved a modified plan. Now known as operations potus about is Spanish for shoe and likely was chosen to represent the foothold from which the counterrevolution would spread. The new landing point would be at play a hit on a beach on Cuba's southern shore but considerably to the east of Trinidad Amir Ninety miles southeast of Havana play. A Huron would be the name. The Cuban people would use when recalling the invasion attempt but to most of the world it will be named after the nearby Bahia Decor Chino's or the Bay of pigs the second requirement for successful counterrevolution had nothing to do with ports airfields bombers or logistics for operations support to exceed. It would require the support of the Cuban people themselves at least a significant number of when the CIA agents casually investigated this premise. They returned to Washington with the news. That everyone they had talked to had been enthusiastic supporters of Fidel Castro. Now this of course should have been more than enough of a reason to cancel the operation but it did not of course and up penetrating the closed mindset of those backing the operation up to and including President Kennedy on the night of April fourteenth nineteen sixty one. The invasion fleet set sail from Nicaragua. Fourteen hundred men from brigade twenty five o six and tons of food weapons and ammunition spread over five smallish freighters the Houston the Rio Escondido. The Koreb the Atlantico each with thirty days worth of supplies ammunition and the Lake Charles carrying. What all hope would be the provisional government and an additional fifteen days worth of supplies? The next day April Fifteenth all eight B Twenty six bombers bearing Cuban air force markings split into three groups and attacked three different airfields destroying a handful of military aircraft. One of the Brigadistas bombers was shot down and another got knocked out of the fight for repairs. The following day April sixteenth has been remembered as the phony war which consisted of a few unsuccessful landings at various points along the coast in order to divert the Cuban army forces from the actual invasion point at play a hit on later that evening. The small invasion flotilla assembled at rendezvous point Zulu roughly forty miles south of the Bay of Pigs or the five freighters carrying men and materiel were met by blogger and Barbara J two ex-navy. Lci's that'd be landing craft infantry their sizable tenders armed to the teeth stripped of all US markings and flying the flag of Nicaragua US Naval Task Force. Eighty one eight was waiting point Zulu and it was not insignificant. Eleven destroyers plus USS BOXER HELICOPTER ASSAULT CARRIER YOU ASCEND. Marcos landing craft tender fleet carrier. Us Shangrila and two submarines USS Cobbler and USA's thread fin nonnuclear World War Two vintage guppy boats streamlined and improved by the greater underwater propulsion. Power Program that evening. The seven ships of the Cuban Expeditionary Force turn North leaving the US fleet at point sue except for the San Marcos which brought the shallow water landing craft all the way up to the three mile territorial limit at which point it unloaded its landing craft and return south to rejoin the. Us fleet well over the horizon before first light on the morning of the invasion April Seventeenth nineteen sixty one a mock diversionary landing by CIA operatives Hubbard just offshore near Bahia Honda. A handful of small vessels armed only with gigantic speakers. Which did such a good job of reproducing the sounds of an amphibious assault that it temporarily pulled Castro his forces away from the actual landing site right around midnight the two LCI's blackguard and Barbara J entered the Bay of Pigs preceded by underwater demolition teams. At one am on the seventeenth. The main assault was launched against play a hit on located at the mouth of the Bay and designated Blue Beach for the operation. Play a larger or Red Beach was at the very tip of the funnel shaped Bay and the Frogman. Arriving on scene were shocked and dismayed to see the entire area. Lit Up with floodlights engine. Troubles put some of the small fiberglass landing boats out of action causing hangups and delays. Many more were badly damaged by the granite hard reefs lining the shore. Cia photo analysts had assumed that these smudges were merely concentrations of seaweed. The local militias managed to get a warning off to Havana. Before offering token resistance and surrender. Castro was awoken at three fifteen. Am He placed all available? Militia units on the highest possible alert and ordered what was left at the small. Cuban airforce to attack the Red Beach landings at play a large at first light. Then Elcaman Dante put on his trademark green fatigues and headed south at daybreak right around six thirty on the morning of the seventeenth the men unloading at Red Beach encountered the full. Might of the Cuban Air Force three propeller-driven Safuri Attack Aircraft One B twenty bomber and two very obsolete t thirty three fighter jets nevertheless this motley assortment managed to put enough bombs and rockets into the Houston but she had to be intentionally run aground her stern awash and her superstructure burning she'd managed to lend two hundred and seventy troops by the time of the morning air attack but the hundred and eighty survivors were out of the fight at the outset since their weapons and most of the medical supplies for twenty five. Oh six had been destroyed when the Houston was hit at seven. Am to of the Brigadistas. B Twenty six bombers managed to sink a Cuban navy patrol escort before they joined two more B Twenty Six's and attacked the defenders engaging the main invasion force play a heroin by eight thirty in the morning all troops assigned to Blue Beach Playa. Heroin were assured as were several of the Brigadistas m forty one walker bulldog light tanks but the main force of clay heroin lost contact with the secondary troops at play a large twenty miles deeper into the Bay of Pigs because for some reason every single radio in both assault waves had been soaking in seawater all night long by now you may have ascertained that the Bay of Pigs operation fell somewhat short of the precision of Swiss. Watch at seven thirty that morning. The hundred and seventy seven paratroopers brigade. Twenty five o six Airborne Battalion were landed behind the Cuban defensive line as Cuban. Army units headed for the paratroopers. The handful of Cuban Air Force seat. Fury'S T thirty three jets returned to the Bay of Pigs. They now turn their attention to the Rio Escondido two miles off the beach. She was still carrying aviation fuel and enough ammunition food and medical supplies. To last ten days rocketfire managed to find that aviation fuel and Rio. Escondido simply vanished in a bright orange explosion at eleven. Am Fidel Castro addressed his island nation by radio saying that an invasion consisting of Cuban? Exiles had come to take away the revolution and destroy the dignity and the rights of man by noon. Thousands of militia fighters were making their own way to play a round right around that time. The Cuban Air Force T. Thirty three shutdown. One Brigade be twenty-six and damaged another which had to make an emergency landing on Grand Cayman Island the two surviving brigade ships the Koreb and the Atlantico made a run south for international waters. Hotly pursued by Cuban aircraft sharp antiaircraft gunnery from the landing craft barter shutdown Cuban bomber. They did so. The Lake Charles and provisional government remained well out of range of the fighting as the Cuban militia forces started to converge on Red Beach. Play a larger the Ubiquitous Brigade B. Twenty Six's hit them hard causing heavy casualties by two thirty that afternoon. The group of Cuban militiamen of the three hundred thirty nine. Th Battalion set up a defensive position inland from Blue Beach. Play Horon Brigade. Tanks overran that position inflicting very heavy losses on the defenders an action the Cubans would remember as the slaughter of the lost battalion. The T thirty. Three's flown by the Cuban air force where well well past their prime. The T designation was for trainer the T thirty three being a two seat version of America's first operational jet fighter the mediocre at best. T- eighty shooting star long ago surpassed by the superb f eighty six sabre which was also getting a little long in the tooth by nineteen sixty one but in the skies over Cuba in April. The T thirty three was having its finest hour. Not only had. They helped sink both the Houston and the Rio Escondido but that morning. A Cuban air force teeth thirty three shutdown a brigade be twenty six and by the afternoon of the first day. The trainer hit at a two more B. Twenty six bombers to its evermore impressive. Tally and the bad news just kept coming that same first day. A stalled Ramirez who had for two full years and leading a revolt of farmers and four Batista Soldiers against the Castro regime in the rural areas was captured by Castro's forces and immediately executed around nine PM. The Brigade launched five plane bombing raid on the Cuban airfield that had plagued them all day. Two of the remaining be twenty-six has had to abort for mechanical reasons and the three that flew on had been unable to find the airfield. Let alone attack. Oh and there was a final humiliation to crown this day of disasters once it was fully dark. The two remaining brigades supply ships the Atlantico in the Kore- departed to the south extensively. Returned to point Zulu rearm restocked for a return trip to the Bay of Pigs by the following morning but the captains of both vessels had already realized that they had bet on the wrong horse and so they decided to cut their losses by simply sailing away the US Navy destroyer managed to catch up with the Atlantico one hundred ten miles south of the invasion force and persuaded to return to the fight but by the time the navy finally caught up to the wall. Koreb she was over two hundred miles to the south and by the time she'd been caught the fight was over. 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Watches dot com forward slash cold and use my code cold for a special discount at checkout. That's Ventura watches dot com forward slash cold. Promo Code is cold. There was never the slightest chance of the mass uprising. The actual invasion was intended to ignite but while the overthrow of Castro was never really a possibility. Yet actual invasion itself could have succeeded had been given the one thing that everyone had agreed in advance that it would need in order to succeed and that was air cover the initial brigade. Air Attacks against Cuban airfields had been less effective than their pilots claimed that same day. Whatever veneer of deniability the. Us was clinging to simply dissolved when one of the brigade. Twenty-six raiders returned not to Nicaragua as plan but instead landed in broad daylight at Miami International Airport where everyone could see the brand new paint job and the gun still mounted in the nose American style and not under the wings as they had been on the Cuban B Twenty Six's two days before the Cuban Expeditionary Force left the US fleet behind to sail north to the Bay of Pigs. President Kennedy could see that the entire world knew that CIA back. American pilots were flying at least some of these supposedly counter revolutionary airstrikes manned exclusively by Cuban resistance fighters and ex-pats. So Kennedy made a decision. It's not clear why he made this. Unconscionable decision but he did two days before the invasion Kennedy had decided to withdraw the US naval air cover upon which the entire Bay of Pigs invasion before the ships ever sailed north from point Zulu into this abominable catastrophe both of the two essential conditions for a successful invasion. Had not been met. The support of the Cuban people and the US air power needed to destroy the Cuban airforce and attack Castro's troops on the ground but to me anyway the unconscionable decision was not the withdrawal of American air support. What I find. Unconscionable was the decision to allow the invasion to continue at all whatever you may think of. Cia Duplicity Shoddy Brigade backgrounds and ranking competence. The fact remains that fourteen hundred brave. Cuban patriots went ashore on April Seventeenth with the assurance. That American airpower would be there if it was needed. But by the end of that first day the Houston and the reloads. Kenicho had been sunk by Cuban air attacks. In half of the Brigade's be twenty. Six Air Force had been shut down. Had the invasion gone honest plan. Cuban pilots flying obsolete trainers would have been contemptible easy pickings for Frontline. Us carrier based naval aviators. But those American jets did not appear as promised allowing Cuban Air Force to sink the Houston and the Rio Escondido and harass the brigade forces practically at their leisure by April eighteenth. The day after the invasion d plus one significant Cuban ground forces had made contact with both blue and red beach. It's the Brigadistas already. Low on supplies and ammunition due to the loss of the Houston and the Rio Escondido desperately through their light. 'em FORTY-ONE TANKS AGAINST SOVIET BUILT WORLD WAR TWO ERA t thirty four's which had been the best tank of the war and more than a match for the newer but lighter American Walker bulldog techniques at two PM that afternoon President Kennedy received a telegram from Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev plainly stating that the Kremlin would not tolerate the US invasion of Cuba and hinting darkly that a full scale. Soviet thermonuclear attack against the American heartland would be a likely consequence of any refusal to heed such warning by that point. April eighteenth deep plus one. It was clear that the invasion had already failed can feel catastrophic by e plus two desperate brigade forces were giving way to ever more powerful Cuban army counter attacks and by the end of that day the Brigadistas were fighting on the beaches with their backs to the sea late that afternoon. The American destroyers US eaten and USS Murray sailed into the Bay of Pigs and took off the survivors from red and blue beaches. The battered and exhausted. Force play a larger and larger but equally desperate command at play here on a to his credit. Kennedy also ordered the Destroyers Conway and coney plus the submarine thread Finn and a P. B. Y. Five Catalina flying boat to fly right up against the Cuban coastline for an additional two days looking for stragglers finding and rescuing almost thirty of them. Thou JFK must've remember the loss of his own pt one. Oh nine cut in half by a Japanese destroyer during the war. Kennedy knew it was like it'd be stranded on an enemy held island in hostile waters. The finale to the Bay of Pigs was tragic. And Ramshackle is the entire operation sixty-seven Cuban exiles from twenty five or six have been killed in action ten more were executed by firing squad after their surrender and another ten died while trying to escape by sea on board the tiny boats Celia nine more Cuban. Pow's died horribly in the back of a sealed. Truck slowly rumbling. Back to Havana in the murderers Cuban heat for died by accident and two died in prison. An additional ten. Cuban exile aircrews died when shut down by the unopposed. Cuban Air Force as did four volunteer American aviators officially Cuban losses totaled one. Hundred seventy six killed in action but this number referred to the Cuban army only taking the militia and civilians into account the best guess is around two thousand Cubans at been killed or wounded during the entire operation. It would be just a few days short of a full year. Before the most seriously wounded or six survivors of brigade twenty five six were released from Cuban. Jails with sixty of the most desperate cases finally being set free on April fourteenth nineteen sixty two all of the one thousand one hundred seventy nine men had been put on trial and convicted of treason. And all were sentenced to thirty years in prison at the end of December nineteen sixty two full twenty months after going ashore. Apply heroin and play a larger to beaches on the southern coast of Cuba located in the Bay of Pigs. The CIA rescued the remaining members of brigade. Twenty five Oh six by brokering a deal with Fidel Castro to exchange them for fifty three million dollars in food and medical supplies years later in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy Five Fidel's brother Raul Castro had this to say about the fiasco quote Kennedy vacillated. If at that moment he had decided to invade us he could have suffocated the island in the Sea of blood but he could have destroyed the revolution luckily for US vacillated vacillation that blink would be studied very carefully half a world away in Moscow. Many leaders throughout history have been reluctant to greet the men wounded or taken prisoner as a result of their decisions. But John Fitzgerald Kennedy was a better man than that on December twenty ninth. He and first lady. Jackie Kennedy flew to Miami to greet the returning survivors from beginning. Twenty five Oh six and events so emotionally compelling to the hundreds of thousands of newly xl Cubans that it had to be held in the Orange Bowl there. He praised their courage and the resiliency and honored those men who died in the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy's surveyed. The enormous crowd gathered before him then turned the men the he abandoned welcome home. He said the Cold War what we saw is written and presented by Bill Whittle produced by Robert Stirling directed by Jonathan. Hey executive producer. Is Jeremy Boring? Our supervising producer is mathis glover and our associate producer is Katie Swinnerton postproduction producer. Alex in Garo Story Producer Jared Social edited by Matthew Sheller audio recorded by Mike Core Amina original music and mixed by Kyle Paren- designed by Cynthia Angola the Cold War. What we saw is an Esoteric Radio Theater Production Copyright Satiric Radio Theatre Twenty twenty.

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AP Headline News Jan 30 2019 16:00 (EST)

AP Radio News

03:20 min | 1 year ago

AP Headline News Jan 30 2019 16:00 (EST)

"Slide daily with Qatar Airways from Dublin and embark on an unforgettable journey to one of more than one hundred and sixty destinations worldwide, including Perth Capetown, Singapore and the Maldives via Doha book now at Qatar Airways dot com, Qatar Airways going places together. AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue. I believe that we all have come here and good faith and feel confident that the solution is here that has Mississippi Republican congressman Steven Palazzo a house Senate conference committee hearing on homeland security the goal is to reach an agreement. President Trump is not backing down from his demand for five point seven billion dollars for a border wall. Tennessee Republican congressman Chuck Fleischmann backs. That idea I believe that we need a physical barrier. I want to be candid with my friends. I do think we need a wall a physical barrier where the barrier works. But that's only one part of it. We need all of the above. If a deal isn't reached by February fifteenth, there could be another government shutdown Illinois democratic Senator dick Durbin says President Trump doesn't control this issue choices between shut up or shut down. We've got to do our constitutional responsibility and avoid a shutdown and make sure we take careful look at every president's requests. Trump tweeted lawmakers are wasting their time if they aren't discussing or contemplating a wall or physical barrier. The closing bell has sounded on Wall Street and stocks got a big boost because the Federal Reserve did nothing. A key interest rate will remain the same fed shared Jerome Powell says the rates may stay put for a while later global economic and financial developments and mute inflation pressures. The committee will be patient as it determines what future judgment adjustments to the target range for the federal funds rate may be appropriate. How cold is it you ask in the mid west the temperature at the south pole today was twenty five below zero. In Fargo, North Dakota thirty one below in Chicago. Fidel Marquez with comment says the wind chill factor is a problem outdoors and in some places indoors so the same winds they caused those ugly wind chill factors are the wins. That, you know, take wires down as many as thirty cars are involved in a chain reaction crash in whiteout conditions on a highway in central Pennsylvania. This is AP. Radio news. The leader of the NFL is talking before the Super Bowl about the controversial end to the NFC championship game Goodell to New Orleans Saints fans, I feel your pain I understand the emotions a lot of the NFL Commissioner's annual pre Super Bowl press conference was taken up with questions about the famously non thrown flag in the NFC championship. And what to do about cases like this in the future? Adding another raff. I don't think adding official is a an answer to all the issues and to particularly this issue. Adele, also said teams have always resisted the idea of expanding the use of replayed in non calls. Did he have the right as Commissioner to overturn such an egregious error? Absolutely. Not del read from the rulebook tobacco's as conclusion I'm Warren Levinson at a lawsuit by two saints season. Ticket holders was filed in the state court two days after the game the NFL immediately filed to move the suit to federal courts, a federal judge granted emotion for expedient handling of the longshot litigation based on the Super Bowl Sunday. Ed donahue. AP radio news.

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2. The Camp

Scattered

26:51 min | 10 months ago

2. The Camp

"Scattered supported by transfer wise. A new way to manage money across borders over six million people and businesses use transfer wise is to send spend and receive money internationally. Learn more at transfer wise dot com slash scattered or download. The APP My name is Chris Garcia. And I'm a man on a mission. That mission is to to figure out the truth about. My Dad won't be easy and well. It's not like I can ask him because he's unavailable but I've seen a lot of detective shows and I've got a college degree shirt. It's a degree in poetry but it gave me an important skills like how to turn in the same essay on bail with for three different classes. Most importantly I know how to annoy the hell out of people until I get some answers. Let's start with some things. My mom has told me in one thousand nine hundred thousand nine. My sister was four years old. She and my parents were living in Havana and barely scraping by TNT. How you know he might do in the Komo illegally cucaracha? My Dad didn't have a job so they sold things on the black market like counterfeit perfume and Roach poison in. Also the Media Fairfax Component Maliki interest rates young. I went to seven. The they'd waterdown perfume poured into bottles uncle. My novel used to buy or or they get stuff cheap from people who are about to leave the country and then resell it at a higher price. If langey Dosen us to be even main homemade custard I think she says Cubans get creative. My folks lived in a tiny apartment. It was so tiny that they called it by. Seal the hallway but keeping my mom's four eight so she might have been like. Wow look at all this room. She lay down drink gothic. Let you out of a thimble. This is the the life my mom says. She retired to keep the place. Clutter free and immaculately clean but it was difficult. MAC WE'RE GONNA lose in November the tenant to see how my mom remembers constant blackouts. My Dad made an oil lamp so they could see at night sickle moon Amaechi Ebony among them on the news a she says the smoke from the lamp stain the ceiling black that same year. Nineteen sixty nine. My Mom's parents left Cuba and moved to the US. They locked up the US. Government had recently only pass an immigration bill that ended restrictive quotas and Cubans. The people. Were living under America's enemy. No Fidel Castro. They got a special SALIL. I declare this afternoon so the people of Cuba those who seek refuge here in America. We'll find in the. US pledged twelve million dollars of that. Any Cuban that wanted to could resettled here dedication of America to our traditions as an asylum for the oppress is going to be upheld. This is president Lyndon Johnson signing the bill at the foot of the statue liberty on October third nineteen sixty five. The lesson of our times is sharp and clear in this movement of people from one one land to another once a game it stamps the mark up failure on a regime. Aw when many of its citizens voluntarily choose to leave the land of their birth far more hopeful home hole in America this is scattered episode from Nineteen Sixty five to nineteen seventy-three a quarter million Cubans flew from vital to Miami on American chartered flights. Twice a day five days a week they recalled the freedom. Flights lost weight loss that I leave with them so that was like hell. Yeah I'M GONNA get on one of those flights but when he requested his exit visa known as the Lanka. The Cuban government sent them something else instead a letter. Now like like so much of my family's history. The actual letter is lost. But I have here a letter. I think is probably similar to the one he got. I found it in a book about the experience of another Cuban family at around the same time. Okay here it is. It's from the Cuban Ministry of the Interior which I'll translate for you sir. It is necessary that you comply with the following requirements. You must contact your place of employment to inform them You've chosen to abandon national territory and tender your resignation by the end of the workday. You must write the first and last names of any nuclear nuclear family member that wishes to leave the country at the back of this notice as well as the full names of all family members who do not wish to leave you must return. Turn this notice in the mail. Within twelve hours of having received it uses the envelope that has been attached as it has an address and does not need stamps. Basically the government is saying you WANNA leave the country. Okay put your job pay the utilities. Get your fares in order. Would it have killed them to add a ps a little heads up. You might want to grab a sun hat and some cliff bars. Because you're going to be outside for a while Lillian Hi can you hear me. Yes nice to meet you. Come on as they say they don't mind this. Is Lillian Alien. Gada first thing you need to know about Lillian she also is the child of Cubans and like me did not grow up in Miami I grew up in Kansas. Where I ah virtually had no contact with other Cubans besides my parents and my sister and my grandparents also like me? Her parents didn't like talking to her about their life in Cuba. I made the mistake of asking Who was Because it's avoid my father was condemning him for agrarian reform and my mother who was saying something about him. That I didn't think was as bad and I went in. I asked to check giveaways and I remember everybody turned to me. There was a pin that dropped in the room and and suddenly my father said who is this Communist. How do you know about that man? Who Do you think you are asking about about them? And then I was sent to my room so in the ultimate act of first-generation rebellion Lillian. Move to Cuba while she was in Grad School. My father said to me he may I see siloam model. But you don't get excited and and that means you know you go to Cuba you say hello to my brothers but I want to hear anything from you. She says her father didn't speak to her for an entire year but in the end she ended up closer to family had more than one hundred eighty relatives in Cuba that I met for the first time including my father's brothers and literally hundreds hundreds of cousins. And so you know became a lifelong commitment to tell stories about Cuba. That could only really be told from within now millions a history professor and the director the Cuba program at the University of Florida. She's interviewed survivors of labor camps and dozens of other Cubans who lived through the revolution. And she's helping me figure route. What might have happened to my dad after he got that letter and So flash back to the late nineteen sixties. The Cuban state is is really in a tailspin economically and it isn't a tailspin economically not just because of the US embargo but mostly because of its own mismanagement and these sort of ridiculous arbitrary means by which was creating economic policy with no input from any economist. Right yeah he had like a council of advisors on the the economy. Only one guy wasn't actually caught with Fidel and his advisors. Come up with a plan. They're going to create an opportunity for everybody ready to participate. In the cutting of sugarcane ten million tons of sugarcane the idea was to reduce Cuba's dependence on foreign powers and show the world that communism works works and so filled declares that nineteen sixty nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy is going to be an eighteen month. Long Year. He cancelled Christmas. He closes all the bars. There's no more drinking no more going to clubs no more having fun. And in addition every human who can should be cutting sugarcane before him the ruler facing go. My Jones gave Katia. They should be in your. He's like won't just be gaining ten million tons of sugar but something worth more than ten million tonnes something that would be quote a qualitative leap in the collective consciousness. When you start digging in the Cuban history you come up with some strange stuff like this video? It's from the one thousand nine hundred ninety s and I'm pretty sure Dell's government didn't get the rights to use the song blaring in the background anyway in the video a rugged. Che Guevara is driving a tractor. In a field of sugarcane. It looks like a sea of giant grass each stock maybe ten twelve feet high wild and endless chase chase there to join his fellow Cubans to roll up his sleeves for the revolution. Buddy can't roll up his sleeves because he's shirtless and I won't say he shredded. But he's looking alright. William says six hundred thousand Cubans responded to Fidel's call volunteering to cut cane between one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and nineteen seventy one. They were praised by the regime and called the true children of the revolution. These are the socialist men that the Cuban government seizes. Its constituents. Let's but there was another group people who didn't volunteer who were sent to labor camps and were forced to cut cane political dissidents criminals and people like my dad who wanted to make better lives for themselves in a new country in the eyes of the government just by asking the became poverty thus stateless people in the sixty seventies eighties up until about the end of the nineties. Anyone who left Cuba was considered a traitor by the Cuban government. My Dad was sent to a camp about thirty miles east of Vana. But Lillian says there were camps scattered all over the countryside and the living in quarters were kind of like military style barracks so they would have been surrounded by barbed wire They would have housed. You know anywhere from two hundred to four hundred to five hundred Inmates Imagine a room lined with dozens of bunk beds. And instead of a cop or mattress people slept on a burlap sack tied to four posts. You know the facilities would have been pretty dire so that you had a very limited number of latrines. A one latrine for every fifty men. I can imagine what that's like and the people who were at the camps and guarding and supervising and doing the cooking and doing any kind of kind of staff work they would have been rewarded for regularly shunning abusing verbally and otherwise the the prisoners violence there have been Oral Histories John with people who were subject to particular kinds of violence so being tied up to a a poll and left out overnight. So you could be eaten alive by you you know swarms of bloodthirsty mosquitoes. So there isn't a lot of mercy you know I've had people tell me stories about you. Know being in a in this kind of the camp environment where they're actually volunteers and and it got so hard just working cutting cane six out of seven days a week that they would slash their own leg with a machete in order to get out of this situation. Do you have a sense of how many people were sent sent to labor camps and forced to cut cane. We don't know we won't know until we have access to their records. Did the Cuban government keep records. I think that they must have because they thought that they were in the right. And Castro's a lawyer and so he did everything everything you know supposedly by the books. It's just that he would make up the books I asked the Lien to introduce me to someone who had lived through what my dad did someone who had been at the camps around the same time as he was born also he thought Peres which the U. N.. Can you add Mr Martinez. Perez is eighty one years old just a few years older than my dad would be now as a child. The national dreamed of becoming an artist. Do not seek Amano. Look I was born with a pencil in my hand as soon as I was born. I Hey grab the pain. So Lang started to draw in nineteen sixty five while my dad was a newlywed busy with his firstborn at Nesta was a twenty seven seven year old. Living in the small town of Lahlou south of Vana he worked at the Cuban Telephone Company and taught art history at the local Middle School But his dream was to move to Madrid to study painting so he asked to leave Cuba and after waiting three years the government finally responded to his request and they said that I he need to work for his country so he was sent to a Labor camp in a nearby town. caulking Gong to dig latrines with a pick and Shovel Yup soda maybe informational and there were teachers. Doctors Nurses Bank employees writers another one new. We slept in bank. It's without mattresses or anything to cover us a night. We'd meet up try to plan our scape and save our lives because the guards consider does their worst enemy learn how we're willing to shoot us. All Anthony Ella Hassanpour Quadrophenia Wahad within the Menthol Stilo but announced how does he I asked inestimably understood why was being sent to do hard labor. If it made any sense at all one or Laura Sumita part of what they wanted to the ability to us they so much physical and psychological damage to our Sunday never stopped. It wasn't conceivable. They ruined our lives completely Mamo then the threats they constantly told us that if we quit they'll send us home at our country was invaded. There were going to shoot US instead. Casino all at once and they said all this to US overflowing with teh-chih it dilute almo union parochial Dante after about a year in Hong Kong and Mesto was sent McCain and another camp in the province of gamma way more than three hundred miles east of Avena. Yuck your whip onto so alarming I neither procedural income away. It was awful. I experienced the worst hunger of my life and come away remove whatever some Korean hustle. My mother one one sent me a roster rabbit because he took two days of travel in the heat to make it to the camera rabbit when I opened it was full the maggots then one of my bunk mate said. Let's see it because we can throw it away. We're going hungry here. We're big pile told the Margaret and we took the pieces of meat and fried them in a pan. We had there. You see also personal. Yes Yeah Ceelo Fremont Fair enough window on Katie we handle herself so tremendous. Feast your no matter into the now. I regret read nothing. I don't think I would have eaten. Even the maggots. We are starving. We're willing to do anything in at NASA says every day was just cut cane. Throw it on a cart. We Lit Away Kane. Throw it on a cart. We live away and I know I know in this though is not my dad and I can't say that the experience the exact same thing but this is the closest I've come to knowing doing my dad's own story even initials manner of speaking his expressions like that. I'm in. The Lanka reminds me of the way my dad spoke. I see my dad under the hot Caribbean Sun. Has Active mind idol. His hands which had once been busy building gadgets now raw from cutting cane. I picture him restless. Sleepless getting skinnier and skinnier thinking about my mom and her legs a Memento Yego up inside Hamas and the other couple I ask it Nesto if he thought he'd be in the fields for the rest of his life C. D. R. Interview. Padilla yes I had lost all hope completely. I believe the exit visa would never communist. They also neither I stop thinking about it that you gave up. I thought I would be there for him buddy. After four months cutting cane at Nestle was moved to another camp in the province of Matanzas. It was there that one night nine hundred seventy after two. Two years of hard labor Enescu found out his exit visa. Went through any went home more than you will be on the Minnesota thunder the Hannah Finn. I went crazy with happiness. I was so eager to get out of that. Hell that took my heavy wooden suitcase and carried. Yeah we did for about five kilometers down those rocky roads but it also but it turned out. There weren't any trains until the next day and I had to sleep on the floor. Swallow Oh and then I took the train for boys for quite a drink. CELICAS ALIABAD ECOMAC Mula LS yonkers. who familiar so young? So those on your travel handle I ask. Him of his relationship changed with his family because of all the time that he'd been away no no no commute will look at us. We do in rural abuse. No no no that did not change at all. I needed them more than ever and I love them more. It was very hard. It's hard for me to tell you this dog. Eight over got a little hammer Roy but I wanted to be known after fifty years. I want everything we went through to be known and Mr moved to Spain. He studied art. He got married on a house and filled it with paintings. He says it looks like a museum. PEDIC getting career came Oromo in May of Nineteen Seventy Fidel announced. The ten million ton goal had fallen short. He said they'd only gotten eight point. FIVE MILLION TONNES FIDEL isn't going to sugar coat. It they had failed and Lillian says by ignoring all other industries. The whole plan actually set the Cuban economy back by about thirty years Scattered is supported by transfer. Wise is picture it your brothers in another country and he asked you to send them some extra cash. You go to a bank right wrong. Some might not give you a real exchange train and might mark up the right to make more money. Transfer wise is different. Transfer wise gives you the real rate for laughably low fee every time transfer wise has is over six million customers and they're always looking for more test them out for free at transfer is dot com slash scattered or download. The APP and I need to return to something it. Missile mentioned in our conversation. This one detail. I just couldn't shake something. The camp guards tell him and his fellow about the US. The stateless men Interventional Casey Russilloshow. They constantly told told us that. If we quit they'll send US home. If we quit they would send US home. That one sentence unlocked a new question for me. Did my dad have that option to like. Could he said hey guys never mind. I'm tapping out. America isn't worth it. I think ED rather stay in Cuba the rest of my life than spend one more day in this fucked up camp. I just always assumed that forced labour meant that you had no choice. I asked my mom and she doesn't remember so asked my dad's sister other when on a European. She was my dad's best friend and she's always game to talk. I asked her. Did Bobby have a choice. At one point she went to go visit him there and she was so horrified by what she saw that she was like. That's it I'm taking you home. Got Holiest Dole. I was going to put him in a car and say screw everything. But he said he wouldn't goal and I was horrified. I said but holy mother of God. How long are you going to be left? One Sam uses audio and he said as long as it's necessary as long as it's necessary remember that thing my dad used to say if we're GONNA do something do it all the way fucking bad ass that guy but I guess so is his sister. She said that if he wouldn't quit she'd get him out herself. You look at. I mean. Multiple needed a lull. I wanted to get my brother out of and bring him back where he belonged at home with his wife and daughter and so she came up with the plan plan. Her husband had a cousin who worked at a medical office. Other had her write up a certificate saying that my dad was too sick to work in the fields then to make up the reason that was more serious than a stomach so they said something about a nervous breakdown or the possibility of a nervous breakdown. She can't quite remember exactly but the hope was. That was a medical excuse. The government would let them stop working in the camps and he'd still be able to get an exit visa and it worked. My Dad came home but the exit visa. It wasn't exactly waiting for him when he walked in the door. Notion on time on. Uh Me TATT just Scattered is a production of WNYC studios if you like the show. Can you take a second and rate and review us us. It's our first week on the charts and makes a huge difference. Daniel and Rebecca produced the show with editing by Joanna. Solitaire off Jenny Lawton and Polish human. The show is executive produced by Paula. Enemy Chris Garcia. Our technical director is Joe and the music is by Hannah's Brown and Isaac Jones fact back checking by Sullivan. Our intern is Jennifer. Sanchez are voice. Actors were Emiliano the S. and Isabel Marino. Our theme song is pleased. Won't Cleese Bilo rather negative courtesy of revenge international special thanks to Julia Miranda they. Aw

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7: The Castro Assassin, Part 1

Covert

43:20 min | 1 year ago

7: The Castro Assassin, Part 1

"Hey listeners this episode of covert features descriptions of violence in torture listener discretion is advised in february twenty seventh nineteen fifty nine a cruise liner the m._s. berlin was docked on the shore of havana cuba. The island had just undergone a massive political revolution but to the people on board the luxury ship. The visit was just part of their transatlantic vacation. That was the last stop on motley crews that the m._s. berlet would take and well the the german people who wanted to get away snowbirds. The captain's daughter nineteen year old morita lorenzo wren's was on the deck watching some sort of celebration. The young mariner didn't have a formal education but learns working with her father at sea from the many places this is they traveled she was especially fond of havana loved her. I loved the cocoa classic. I love the music that people have temple. I can't nothing about politics politics. Not the palm trees ions current star and all that was my life as marito looked out onto the bay. A small boat approached the cruise liner. I saw this lodge proud around the they have is coming closer and closer closer and finally they he stood up and we i saw that they all had guns on were great uniform sanad beer and i said oh that's the <hes> eh army my told me about at the bow of the incoming vessels stood a tall man bearded and with a cigar he was looking directly towards morita and he just without asking just held onto the railing and you waved look ah down and he used to taller one with the rifle arms and they all had uniforms side arson. He said i'm coming though yes i said well so who are you. You don't know who i know as the captain's daughter and i say well wow he said yes. You are in my waters but if you step on the ladder your on my ship so that's the way it went was teasing using out goofing he he didn't ignored me just came up to slack unless did you just can't you just violated the international laws of the sea unbeknownst unbeknownst to marita she was flirting with fidel castro and in doing so she would change the entire course of her life there you we have one of the prime targets by the government in the c._i._a. So anybody that's an accompanying him. A random or anywhere naked with him is going to be known in detail tale by u._s. Intelligence welcome to covert a show about the shadowy world of international espionage and top secret military operation but once the united states made a decision that castro made to be removed from power the united states are and started supporting people who they believed that had chance going back in cuba and overthrowing but by the summer the die was cast they. They knew that something had to happen the castro remove you've. I'm jamie ronel and i'm going to take you inside. History's greatest special operations missions to learn about the brave soldiers and operatives risked their lives lonzo to eliminate threats and protect innocent law. He was a bad guy he was affiliated with the russians told her any any of that information. She didn't know any of that the person that she thought he was but sometimes in getting their mission accomplished take it to fall in my arms and pains unbearable self wet and somebody working looking over my body and being half conscious not all detained was incredible has morning all of a sudden i served throw the cowboy hat. Wait us and he was saying. I just meal yoga of he was cursing answer. It so happened to you. What happened to the baby. Where's the baby. This is the story of how a young woman's life was turned upside down in a whirlwind oral wind romance with an infamous dictator and how her life was turned around once again by the c._i._a. As they saw an opportunity to get rid of of castro this is the castro assassin part one. You can really tell when somebody actually knows what they're talking about when they talk confidently and intelligently about a subject you know that what they're telling you the truth because they just have this sense about them a really recommend checking out history's greatest military blunders and the lessons that they teach it's one the courses that's featured on the great courses plus app and it's really indepth and it's really awesome and you get to learn about the stuff like the embarrassments of napoleon. I mean really moscow winter. Shorts folks come on and this is not just a lecture. This comes complete with battle plans and animations wins and historical maps really gives you a sense of what was going on. It's very indepth and it's very detailed so what i've done is i've worked out. This really fantastic limited time offer for my listeners okay. You're going to get a full month for free. No obligation an entire month to test everything out. Go through drain all the courses that you want for a month for free but you gotta sign up today and you have to use my special u._r._l. Sign up at victory courses plus dot dot com slash covert and covert is important so don't forget that the great courses plus dot com backslash covert uh a month earlier an open top cadillac doc was driving slowly through the cobbled streets of havana men women and children stood on either side of the road cheering in celebration inside the car still still in his green fatigues sat the young revolutionary new leader fidel castro for many cubans castro was a heroic liberating. He forced former rightwing in dictator fulgencio batista into exile and brought about a new socialist form of government to the island nation with when he won power in new year's day nineteen thousand nine he was the hero of the cuban population that there have been elections in january or february of nineteen fifty nine and he might easily have won ninety percent or more than ninety percents of a of oh. That's dr brian mattel the author of after fidel. He spent over three decades working for the c._i._a. And advise the white house on political developments in latin america his popularity was comparable in many parts of latin america got he was seen as a conquering hero he was seen as a a romantic matty's thirty two years old there was there was a there was an appeal the beard doc costume that he cultivated very very carefully almost never being seen out of the gorilla costume he he was admired in much of latin america especially among the youth the university students the nationalists and of course the left the radical the radical the left and many on the democratic left blow to castro as a role model for rough of their own countries but the young morita didn't know any of this about the man now boarding her ship just that he was funny into very handsome. Is i over move as god. I've never had a boyfriend i i just looked just smile and he stared into into the last step until he came on onto the ship and i shook hands <unk> welcome to germany welcome to the burr and <hes> i don't know what to do with you and i sit the first thing you don't need guns here. We don't allow guns so take them off and he just looked at me. Like what is he go-. I could no cup now. Gone no make it another day automatic and i said what should i do with you and he said show me the ship as okay we start at the age morita led the revolutionaries on a tour of the ship starting with the engine room castro was joined by his as leaders kamilo votes and change lavar all still dressed in military close when the elevator doors opened to reveal the soldier the crew loop were understandably shocked the personnel looking at me like mike god. She's brought an army onboard in it. He put his hand on top the line and i said now you have the engine and i let him to. Most of the ship state room <music> said we ended up in the florida alligator ball meritas father. The captain was sleeping to prepare for an early morning departure. The group waited at the bar hanging out until he was due to wake up. Sid assume you have to wait till three o'clock and he said i have time day and night and forever. I can wait to watches. It just didn't make mckinney's as a why to you. This time doesn't mean anything to me and before i knew it i officers coming down to get to take me up to my father and then i said just make good. Don't tell him not to be mad. He's only visiting not taking over and i said well. I told them this is jerome soil so he won't that'd be oh at and we had to beer beer and the trumpets and he held my hand under the table. That was lost. He wrote on a napkin jiechi and i i wrote a phone number new york but i gave him from nocco napkin and then my father i stormed in and we get the i pulled my hand away so he would would see and he just looked trudell stood it up. He says coma dante is dante. Fidel castro will and he knew right away this was feed out and they make friends with him on the bad side and he said welcome aboard. We had dinner together. The dining role l. tweet course meals small conversation. Morita was absolutely smitten by chasm they just to make sure trillion forget up and looking back and forth and he couldn't stop looking at me and i think my father caught then he is it. Will your daughter could be secretary. She speaks german. I have a gala letters. I have a lot of male. I have to attend to right now. The hilton hotel asked if he would stay m._b.'s tourist minister he would make a bit minister of journalism and absolutely i was after her father bid them all good night. She went to see the soldiers off their ship as he left. She said castro turned to her. Dr was a beautiful night mon ooh late night. Fool is absolutely beautiful. He caught me going on the dead and he called me between my life life the life boats but we were all leaving the captain's quarters bridge upstairs and pull make between the lifeboats and how may may i want you to be my secretary and that's the first time i kissed and my father didn't see ooh. He went down steps. He kept looking back chip once kept looking back and getting ready to leave <music> hurry up get off the ship so we pull up the stairs and i way and he just smiled he smile. You'll take whisper. Morita didn't wanna leave cuba but the ship was set to depart back to new york in one more day one more day. I'll learn about his new government. I think revolutions anything and and i remember standing on the top deck when we pulled out of the harbor and looking at the morning the outline of havana the beautiful white buildings league's drives and missing him and feeling terrible. I've got to see him again. They had never had a boyfriend and i want to see again. I don't care who he is. Just he could have been botanic where garages still were afar. I the ship went on its regular course and maria returned to a regular life and at the time she was staying with her older brother joe who worked as a translator at the u._n. But she didn't want to go to school like she was supposed to. Something had changed didn't wanna go to school and i just hung around and cooking ironing. My brothers shirts shirts that was reading the article by herbert. Amac's zoos of new york times fade out castro rabble cuba reading that has it. I just matted as reading that i was making gel and the phone rang a estradiol that was that was severely you yes. I hadn't even not packed and i had a feeling the somehow the jumped ship saw were go back there. He he said how are you. I'm suit and the disbanding. This asked me to come back. I send you an airplane her brother busy z. with work and her father back in germany with the ship meritas set off to havana without anyone in her family knowing but before she left she left behind into small clues to her whereabouts and year i was stating a pin in wall map red pushed into vantage that are brother and all that maybe he'll catch on brothers too busy with his girlfriend and the a u n and that was my signal that is backing this pin in the map on the wall wall as promised castro did send a plane an eight showed up at the apartment to drive morita to the airport. She had only me a suitcase and a passport and found herself. The only passenger on the plane cuba was not a wealthy island but the new leader was clearly allowing himself some luxury sorry for morita. It was a fairytale always in his plane. I was the only on the plane of the stewardess and they really was speaking pure. Spanish and i just was flabbergasted. They weren't all other passengers so i just picked up a magazine scandi boy magazine with nell on the cover of the magazine and i feel absolutely terrified happy frustrated. Oh my god and defiant you find my parents telling of very guilty and i think you just go for a weaker tune and combat and when i saw the outline of things and the harbor but now ship it and the hilton and i use their sales and motel and and everything was just automatic the man around me like a certain with a group of bodyguards arts tier. I said where am i going. Nobody answered near and to see a guy. That's it i've giovanni by jeep to the hilton and then to the lobby lewis she actors actors people baseball team waiting to see fidel alan thousands of people waiting here. I go right through with eh aids. Morita was joined by shea and kamilo as well as celia sanchez castro's secretary together. They went straight to the twenty fourth floor of the hilton to sweep this would be meritas home for however long. She stayed in cuba. Scientists is secretary and she's the first one i had welcomed me there and do the sweet make yourself whole beautiful sweep that low incurred the topic will smells astros thing. I remember the smell of cigars this cicis place at look around. There's all these uniforms under plastic boots turned upside down ashtrays with cigars in this beautiful music piano <unk> oh the wrong but being it was a record that never stopped opt play over and over and over again i see toys tanks and male fan mail and the big picture and somebody painted himself a few now and zouk sticking out a certain serb door swing open and him in at picked up and swung around around issue so much left off. That's a moment forget ended up in bed. Castro took morita on a few tours of havana pointing out the poverty. He was determined to get rid of especially oppressing was the infrastructure that had fallen to ruin during batista's regime hospitals schools and roads were mess. Castro said he was going to fix it all and ride along with him a jeep ram. That's gonna end he would look at a little more selling souvenirs on street or his sister to some tourist and it's gonna end. I used to say and now you must have good hospitals recent. Now you wanna see us believe took me to one of the teas hospital. That was all <music>. Hello hey listeners. The folks over at juno law firm have contacted me and they have a message for all of my active or retired military listeners were you diagnosed with tonight is or hearing loss. 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A whistle blower lawsuit that three am quietly settled made the case that three m manipulated test results to make it appear as if the earplugs met met government standards but they didn't so if you were in the military from any time between two thousand three through two thousand fifteen and are suffering from diagnosed hearing loss or tonight nitis then please call one eight hundred four hundred one three four nine right now lawsuits against three m and not the government or the military so your benefits with the v._a. I will not be affected again one eight hundred four hundred one three four nine. Let's get back to it. Despite the celebration on the island many around the world became concerned about this new leader. This was especially true in washington d._c. U._s. president dwight d eisenhower asked his intelligence agencies to find out more about this cuban revolutionary a much older man the hero of normandy. The hero of the european war and fidel is thirty two year old bearded khaki key clad revolutionary insisting on wearing the clothes that he wore as a guerilla mitch weiss is a pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist journalist and critically acclaimed author. The fear for the united states was that a cuban style revolution would explode throughout latin america uh and that they would be more than one cuba there would be a cuban style regime in venezuela in chile okay and peru and argentina and throws a real threat wanted castro's goals was to export revolution throughout central and south america. He really felt for the people he believed were being exploited all those countries so he wanted to train a group of cubans to go country to country to country to train people in those countries and basically overthrow those governments. A large concern was that the island housed a few united states owned businesses including including sugar mills and banks. If castro really was the socialist they thought he was it wouldn't be long before he nationalized most big businesses. I think early nineteen fifty nine once castro starts seizing and naturalizing some of the industries so we realized that castro is really more of a socialist democrat and that point the united states was extremely extremely worried. They made sure that the c._i._a. Was trying to gather as much intelligence as possible but when you read those reports those those now declassified he classified documents at time. There was debate between turned debate in the national security council the c._i._a. Just where cuba was go wasn't becoming more soviet. Country wasn't going to be a socialist country. How things going to turn out and you could tell that there was really no clear consensus in the in the national security administration on how it was going to turn out and there was some school of thought that maybe eisenhower didn't spend as much time his administration spent as much time on trying to understand the keyboard players in the cuban revolution. We were so focused on the soviet union communist china eventually our intelligence was focused in base space that we didn't realize there was a threat right in the united states backyard until it was too late and castro and palate but again it once he starts. It's nationalizing some of the industries. The united states realize that we have focused attention because this has the potential become a communist base. His fear and cuba is only one hundred and three miles away from the american coast. Anything that starts there could easily branch <unk> out into the united states in april nineteen. Fifty-nine fidel castro was invited to the u._s. By the society of newspaper editors castro accepted the invitation hoping to win over american public opinion as tensions between the two countries steadily rose april nineteen fifty nine fidel l. had come to the united states on an unofficial visit but <hes> he came to america without without the official official sanction of a state visit president eisenhower by now was getting more impatient with more untrusting of of the of the true nature of the castro regime because some of eisenhower's advisors were warning him that that there was a stint communist tint to the revolution russian morita was present at the visit and so was the c._i._a. It was likely that this was where they first took notice of her. Kevin ship is a former c._i._a. Agent and can speak to how the c._i._a. Usually operates. I would think it'd be a strong possibility. That wild fidel was in the u._s. In new york with marita that would have been a prime opportunity for her to be spotted without question. Who's a high level meeting and you can. You can be sure <hes> that was intelligence was all over that visit so absolutely that would be as i said a very strong possibility and that's very clear to the people of the united states that they can feeling thank you and because i wanted castro started off his visit with his speech working his charm on the public all the while the united states government was not too happy and while his charisma made him appealing to the people an attempt at diplomacy soon turned to a political faux pas and it was just not the kind of meeting eisenhower desired tired richard nixon the acting secretary of statement with him. Many others met with him and the others in washington was the media and government and <hes> pity newspaper. It's seven hundred newspapers is put his thumping. They was coming here all morning. Another girl he was pushed off to nixon and nixon immediately label to you know and probably was cheered by she does weird cigar uniform uniform and i said to afterwards the hotel is you didn't come by. The tation came by yourself because you're eagles too big and you did wears metal. How would they see got mad at me for saying that. That's i saw tun tanqueray in other words. A sink in brian says the meeting went well with nixon but castro was looking forward to meeting with the president himself as has one country's leader to another and instead <hes> <hes> eisenhower rejected him and pushed him off to nixon listen which absolutely infuriates to know he felt very setback in angry very angry eh that he was pushed aside that he wouldn't even get a cup of coffee and on the american side eisenhower was beginning to recognize that castro astro could be a serious emerging threat to the u._s. It was just weeks after he won our it was still january. Nineteen fifty-nine infidel began <music> very strident attacking the united states at speeds in speech after speech denounce the states it was pretty soon after he won that he also began to support violent incursions russians interventions against other latin american leaders all of these initiatives especially the strategy of his speeches against it's the united states took a toll by the end of nineteen fifty nine it was becoming clear in the eisenhower and the councils sosa highest councils of the eisenhower station but the revolutionary government was really difficult to american interests to to american property interests americans reckons on the islands and to american interests number of other latin american countries and that's that's what covert hollis <music> anti-castro policies began to coalesce the anti american speeches were were quite became quite frequently if they are going it back in cuba marie to learn to live day to day life as one of the prime minister's mistresses she lived the havana hilton acting as his secretary but otherwise doing very little open letters and if girls terrible or if there were pictures and markup pitchers if there were money donations all through into drawer or correspondents the standard all he would come and go as he pleased that he wished that i had nowhere to go. He didn't want me outside. Olivetti was weight but morita was happy. She was enjoying life in havana and she was in love and after a few months she found herself pregnant happy to be pregnant very happy. Happy you sit. Oh wonderful has cuban half alabama have german have gone and america and he was very happy to have to build a hospital the bill a women's hospital as very first thing he did he did do that. Castro seemed just as as happy as marita and promised her that he would get her a private house to live in after the baby was born getting ready for the baby. He said that i could go to the store. Get baby dolls and we would furnish the baby's place in the house with my teachers and and in those days you didn't have sonogram. Jim elephant was a girl but i kinda was avoid but politically everything was not fine over the next few months u s cuban relations deteriorated rapidly but once the the united states made a decision that castro needed to be removed from power the united states are started supporting <hes> people who would they believed they had chance of going back into cuba and overthrowing the dials gas they. They knew that something had to happen. The castro had to be eisenhower. It seemed wanted castro assassinated and it was up to the c._i._a. To get the job done but castro security was impossible to penetrate what they needed was an inside man someone who was already close to him former c._i._a. Agent kevin ship called castro a hard target really would have very close access to fidel fidelity sure had very very tight security. I would have bodyguards with protective detail tone. Wherever you win guards outside his apartment and i'm sure just based on his home. He's moving around. He's unpredictable that we would call that a hard target some very difficult to get to <hes> in meritas case in terms of spotting someone with access <hes> she <hes> had apparently romantic relationship with him which get past us all the security romantic relationship but actually get him into his bedroom and she would be able to bypass all the security layers and his unpredictability and and really would have been a prime target for spotting and eventually fidel castro was always always enjoyed from the very beginning very very good person security very cover will to the best anywhere in the world. Kevin believes morita was a prime target for c._i._a. Recruitment they had already put her past the first stage spotting well. They would have done everything there. You have one of the prime targets by the u._s. Government in the c._i._a. So anybody that's accompanying him around anywhere connected with them is going to be known in detail by u._s. Intelligence the second step in recruitment was to find out everything they could about they would especially be looking for vulnerabilities or weaknesses. They could use to turn her against castro but that that brings us to the next step in the cycle. It's called the developer development and at that point probably in the united states they would approach morita begin developing her maria was seven and a half months pregnant. She was alone in the havana hilton and had just ordered ordered her room service breakfast and i had ordered breakfast and i drank the milk show on the bed. I feel dizzy. I said well maybe this is just because of the pregnancy but now i it was out at all i remember was falling backwards on the bed looking up at the ceiling ceiling and good sleep meritas memory of what happened next is very hazy. All she knows was that she was was in pain. There were flashes of images of people and then i woke up car never would be driven so war in face. The windows down car tastes watered morning outs like half asleep sleep and then i was out. I don't even remember who was driving with the other people in the car and the next thing i remember is lights the light of off man terrible pain terrible pain and arguing back and forth cursing spinach and into my clothes waterhouse. Were somebody my body back but i was there's like half on hathaway and i thought the spore for a moment i thought invites. I think it's premature. Baby deliver her baby. Cry something had happened to the baby of that. Marita was sure eh needle in my arm and the pain was unbearable in itself wet <hes> and somebody working over my body and being half conscious half not not there at all. The pain was incredible on. I was morning after my arm to do to hear the voice of baby to stop arguing and show shaw restraint immediate need to our arms holding my arms together drained who's had thought was unusual. Awards made me try me. Try started to cry and that's all i remember she heard familiar voices as she came back into consciousness and cursing arguing with him or bensimon suma four couldn't make it out but she would have chills you know this that and then i woke up mm-hmm again bad back in my sweet and all of a sudden i saw a cowboy hat and it was coming weight loss and he was saying i just meal on your ooh that he was cursing so i happened to you what happened to visit in his tau the towel and he packed me speeding. I said what happened and i sit. Call my brother calmer mother call. My mother wanted my mother ch- he did call. My brother had me clean up and got me. A doctor gave me antibiotics. I have to get you out. I called fidel. I can't find eason come up with some are and he did call my brother joe in new york <music>. I'm sandy your sister back. She has to go to a hospital immediately. Kamilo informed meritas brother joe that she was ill. Joe had no idea yes. She was spending our days in cuba. He thought she had been in school. He was even more shocked to find out she had been pregnant with fidel castro's child but with meritas life in danger. They knew she had to be taken to a modern hospital. One of castro's aides arranged for her to fly back to new york for urgent medical treatment and when she landed the f._b._i. Agents were waiting for the f._b._i. Mattia fear. I went straight to the hospital the f._b._i. Protection surrounded within hours. Maria was suddenly pulled out of her happy. Life in cuba and into the unknown castro's aides and friends were replaced by mysterious f._b._i. Agents her baby was gone and she was about to go through were grueling practice to turn her into a deadly assassin to kill the man she loved looking for this put something in his voter sleep. Turn tell me to kill him. They said well. We don't use those words sir discount neutralizing you. Do you know leave as i can't kill him. That's next time on covert. 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12.2.19 Legal Docket, the Moneybeat, and History Book

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12.2.19 Legal Docket, the Moneybeat, and History Book

"The world and everything is made possible in part by listeners. Like US I'm Bradley. Aikman from Owensboro Kentucky and Middle School or at Heritage Christian school. I hope you enjoyed today's program. Good morning an African in American business owner says comcast discriminated against him on the basis of race. But the question is what does he have to say at the start of a lawsuit for his case to proceed. I I know him is the most bigoted person in this state and as normal. He said all kinds of racist things and jumped up and down and so forth and by the way he's my fifth cousin and he hates me. That's ahead today on legal docket also on Monday money. Beat you records on Wall Street and signs of a big spending spree over the holidays. Plus the World Radio History Book Today. The first person to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a row and world radio commentator trillion new bell on the question of Santa Claus. It's it's Monday December. Second this is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm Mary Record and on Mike. Good morning up. Next you'll Nelson Nelson has the news officials in the UK are defending a prisoner released policy that free to convicted terrorists. WHO launched a bloody knife attack near the London? Bridge whose main con- killed two people and wounded three others before police shot him to death on Friday. He was wearing what turned turned out to be a fake suicide fast. Neil Basu is an assistant commissioner. With the London Metropolitan Police he said Khan was following the requirements for his early release. There was an extensive list of license conditions for this to my the best of my Sunday. Today he was complying with US conditions. Khan was convicted and twenty twelve for plotting terror attacks in London as part of a group affiliated with Al Qaeda. He was released from prison. In December Bert. Twenty Eighteen Basu said. Investigators are trying to determine whether he had helped planning Friday's attack. This time we found no evidence. It's no evidence to suggest anybody else was involved in this attack. However we're still making extensive enquiries to ensure that no one else was involved Khan was attending a conference for ex offenders at Cameron University when he pulled out a knife and started stabbing people? One of the victims who died was a former student student at the university. The other was the coordinator for the ex offender program known as learning together. Islamic state said Khan was one of its fighters and and claimed responsibility for the attack but the statement didn't provide any evidence of a link to con- meanwhile police in New Orleans are are investigating a shooting that wounded ten people in the cities. Popular French quarter. Two of the victims are in critical condition. New Orleans Police Superintendent. Sean Ferguson said the shooting happened shortly after three. A M in a block. Crowded with people all out here. Throughout this Italian within feet the incident occurred. Unfortunately there are so many people are able to determine it was actually firing these shots at that time police later detained a a person of interest but it was not immediately clear whether the person had any connection to the shooting. The section of Canal Street where the shooting occurred is near several busy. The hotels visitors packed the Bayou city over the weekend. For the annual rivalry football game between grambling state and Southern University. The government of Iraq is in limbo after the country's parliament approved the resignation of prime minister. Auto optum Mati on Sunday. Oddo Amati had submitted his resignation two days earlier in the wake of anti-government protests and violence. But the move did little to calm the ongoing unrest arrest. This protester told Al Jazeera that Iraq needs a new parliament. must get them. The problem is not just the prime minister. It's not the queen is a whole beehive behalf. All of them have testers. Want a new election law to govern a new election. But it's unclear when or how that might happen. One on Iraqi lawmaker described the path to finding a new prime minister as a black hole in the constitution. Harsh wintry weather is preventing federal investigators from reaching the site of a plane crash. In South Dakota that killed nine people over the weekend three others on board the single engine aircraft Dr listed in critical condition. The plane took off from Chamberlain. South Dakota at about noon on Saturday. It was headed for Idaho Falls Idaho. The the area was under a winter storm warning the time of the crash. According to local media reports all of the people on board belonged to the same family they were returning learning from a weekend hunting trip. A massive winter storm is making the return to work difficult for millions in the northeastern United States. Today the system will jump. Freezing rain sleet and snow from Minnesota to Maine. Laura Pagano is a meteorologist with the National Weather Service it has issued issued a range of warnings and watches across the Midwest and the Northeast as this low continues to transition off the northeast coast. It's going to be producing snowfall especially for Interior New England and some of those locations could see six to twelve inches. Maybe even more For the higher terrain airlines have issued dozens of travel alerts canceled hundreds of flights several airlines have also waived cancellation in and change fees. The Monday after Thanksgiving is typically one of the busiest travel days of the year. I'm Jill Nelson seven straight ahead. The Supreme Court considers a case involving pirates and copyright infringement plus Trillion Nouvelle offers some advice to parents about. What's Santa this is the world and everything in it good morning and thank you for listening to the world and everything in it? Today is Monday. The second of December Twentieth Nineteen Good Morning coming to you. I'm nicotine and Mary Record. Good morning to you it case. You're wondering about our choice of music here. It's because it relates to the first of our two cases today. Yes that's right. We're talking about piracy this. What arises from the infamous English pirate of the Eighteenth Century? Edward teach better known as blackbeard. Did he did his dirty deeds around the Caribbean and eastern coast of. What's now the United States? Now you may know more about the Hollywood pirate. Bumbling Jack Jack Sparrow sought out by fugitive Henry Turner to form a protective alliance of spent years searching for this. Great Jack Sparrow is not some drunkenness. Sell three even ship crew pants. A great part does not require such intricacies now the dispute before the Supreme Court today three centuries on from blackbeard's time does not involve intricacies. Like a crude daggers or peg legs or even great pirates but it does involve a ship and copyright law. Here's how BLACKBEARD's ship Queen Ann's ends revenge wrecked in seventeen eighteen off. What's now the shore of North Carolina Flash forward a few centuries and a salvage company finds it in the year nineteen nineteen ninety-six? It worked out a deal with North Carolina. The state would own the wreckage but the salvage company would keep proceeds from documentary. It would make using services of Documentarian Frederick Allen that agreement said that North Carolina could publish certain documents related to the salvage I certain limited purposes purposes Alan. The documentarian obtained a copyright on his photographic works. The problem arose when North Carolina's Cultural Affairs Department. Posted those works works all online without his permission. Alain complained and the state paid him fifteen thousand dollars for violating copyright. That was six years ago in twenty thirteen. The state also agreed that going forward it would watermark his material and put a time stamp on whatever it did posed of his work. But Allen says the state it didn't keep its end of the deal not only that North Carolina went further. It passed a law named for blackbeard. That says the state can't be sued for copyright infringement despite that Law Allan sued for copyright infringement. Anyway your argument next in case eighteen. Eight seventy seven allen versus Cooper Schaefer for Daring Schafer argued on behalf of Allen he pointed to a nineteen ninety law called the copyright remedy clarification act the CRC Va.. Congress passed that to prevent states from asserting sovereign immunity as a defense against copyright infringement when states infringe the exclusive. Federal Roll writes that Congress is charged with securing. Congress can make states pay for doing so. That's our respectful submission today. One that follows from the constitution's text text and afford ample basis for this court to uphold the Work Congress stayed in enacting the CRC A. But North Carolina argue CRC A isn't even constitutional and and a lot of lower courts. Agree so the state says Allen's just Outta luck because he can't overcome its sovereign immunity North Carolina's lawyer Ryan Park Mark pleaded that the state posted Allen's works in good faith after all the penalty for copyright infringement is steep one hundred fifty thousand dollars per incident why we would it risk that unless it thought it could and besides limited resources matter listen to this exchange between Park and Justice Elena Kagan our cultural resources department government is operating on a shoestring budget trying to recover an excavate and preserve the remaining aspects of the queen's revenge around forty percent of which under their estimates is still on the bottom of the ocean. It's hard to get money to find important work like this for the history. Though Mr Park that it's not the strongest reliance argument argument to say we relied on the court's holding to infringe other people's rights lawyer Park continued to feel the heat from justice. Steven Brier who worried about a rule that would encourage willful. Copyright infringement by the states a wonderful money raising thing what the state decides to do with its own website charging five dollars or something is run rocky says marvel whatever spiderman and perhaps groundhog day. Great idea several billion dollars flows into the treasury. Okay now if you win. Won't that happen. And by the way copyright is to promote the progress of science and useful arts by securing for limited lead times to authors the exclusive right to their respective writings but of course California decides that the person who wrote Rocky Marvel et Cetera will unfortunately received nothing because everyone will have seen it on the state's own streaming aiming device. What is your response? Parks response was a court injunction but not money damages Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg followed up with a possible solution that involved Congress something unseemly about Estate Team here. Yes we can hold copyrights and we can in hold infringes to account to us but we can infringe to our heart's content and be immune from any compensatory damages. Could Congress say condition copyright privileges as states have by saying whether allow you to copyright it works but the price is you have to be fair to the other side so that when you are infringing you'll be liable. Does Congress have article Article One authority to do that. Park responded no that would be putting an unconstitutional condition on the right of state already has to copyright something and he underscored underscored whose money we're talking about. I think the important understanding that the founders had is that when you sue a sovereign on the opposite side of the judgment are the people and the People's People's money the waters are muddied in this area of the law still given the skepticism I heard from both ideological wings of the court. I think North Carolina will be branded as something of a pirate for plundering the photographers' work. The spinal argument today pits telecommunications giant comcast housed against the founder of African American owned es N. Entertainment Studios Network a businessman named Byron Allen owns ESPN. He alleges ages that comcast discriminated against him by refusing to distribute his channels some of those channels include comedy TV Justice Central. TV AND CARS TV TV Allen points to other white owned channels that comcast launched during that same time period that even though comcast told him it lacked capacity to carry the more channels for its part comcast says it didn't think Allen's content would attract enough customers to make its investment worthwhile but the legal question in this case is rather technical. Does Allen need to plead in his lawsuit that race is the main reason comcast denied him a contract or org can he just plead mixed motives and proceed to prove discrimination. During the course of the trial just briar wondered how to craft a rule to parse out the real reasons behind. Someone's actions listened to his scenario. Smith says this man wouldn't contract with me. I know Oh him is the most bigoted person in this state and as normal he said all kinds of racists things and jumped up and down and so forth and by the way he's my fifth cousin and he hates me and I've never met anybody who hated me so much and I think for both reasons he would have never ever entered into this contract. Just briars point was if it's eventually shown the fifth cousin hates me is the reason he didn't want a contract that will prevail l.. Despite the other reason so why continue a lawsuit that will ultimately fail. Byron Allen's lawyer Erwin Chemerinsky argued. It all depends on what stage of litigation were in the Supreme Court has already said we don't decide early on what the actual cause might be for denying contract that is for a jury to decide. Ride the law here is the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six and acted right after the civil war. It guarantees the right of all persons the same rights rights to make and enforce contracts as is enjoyed by white citizens but Supreme Court decision in two thousand seven. Says you can't just say things are facts axe to make yourself look good in the complaint you have to allege something that if accepted as true would be enough to stay a plausible claim for relief right off the bat. It didn't sound as though most of the justices thought Byron Allen had done that listen to this exchange between Justice Keagan Chemerinsky again for Allen. She mentions the But for rule that means the plaintiff needs to show that but for race he'd have gotten that contract laws. There can be three but for causes the case. If you take away each of these three things that outcome would have been different. But motivating factor is something different motivating factor. You can take out and the outcome would still be the same and it just seems quite confusing to me to put in something. That's not the same question as the ultimate question at the pleading stage rather than to understand the pleadings pleadings and there before discovery and nobody can be expected to know what the defendant is going to say. I disagreed disagreed. Justice Kagan Jim Renske essentially argued that all those other reasons not related to race just provides an illusion of inclusion a win for comcast asked. We'll make it too hard for victims of discrimination to even bring a case. I think comcast will win this particular battle. But that doesn't mean the war is complete. The justices justice's aren't deciding whether comcast discriminated against Allen on the basis of race rather. It's deciding how Alan has to plead his case in order to proceed with with his discrimination claim and WanNa decides that Alan will have the recipe for weather and how he may proceed with his case. 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How Incremental Shifts can Have Exponential Results in Health with Dr. Nick, Chief Medical Officer at Basehealth, Inc. and CEO at Incremental Healthcare

Outcomes Rocket

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How Incremental Shifts can Have Exponential Results in Health with Dr. Nick, Chief Medical Officer at Basehealth, Inc. and CEO at Incremental Healthcare

"Welcome to the outcomes rocket podcast, where we inspire collaborative thinking, improved outcomes and business success with today's most successful, end inspiring healthcare leaders and influencers. And now your host, so Marquez. Outcomes. Rocket listeners welcome back once again to the outcomes rocket where we chat with today's most inspiring and successful health care leaders, you know, really wanna thank you for tuning in again. And if you enjoy the show leave us a rating and review on apple podcasts. Just go to outcomes, rocket dot com slash reviews, and you'll be able to leave us a five star review or whatever you wanna give us and give us some feedback love it. When I hear from you, guys and gals. It just helps us put together a show with what you guys are looking for. So without further ado. I want to introduce my outstanding guests today. His name is Dr Nick, Dr Nick's been in healthcare for quite some time with many different companies and really he's a guy that wears a lot of hats, and what I wanted to do is rather than dive into the details of where and what he's done. Done. I wanted to open up the mic to Dr Nick, so he could fill that in. Dr Nick welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me, always a pleasure to join you and excited to share some of my experiences, so appreciate the opportunity. So as you said, I've had many roles primary one and the one that sort of drives me most frequently as, as a physician, but ultimately, I've really focused on digital health and the enablement of people in the healthcare field with technology. Most recently, I was the chief medical officer Fidel, and founded a company called incremental healthcare, that was really looking for those small changes that you find from other industries that add up to the big change that I think we're looking for, in healthcare, and I try and find those and bring them into healthcare. But my most recent adventure is really the one that I'm most excited about, and that's working as the chief medical officer for base health, and there are comprehensive predictive analytics company, that's focusing on population health management in a completely unique way. Way they really try and tease out. What we call the invisible patient. The one that never gets to the healthcare system until it's really too late. Or if it's not too late. It's certainly going to be very significant in both impact on personal health and also impact in cost, and we can find those patients before they descend into the spiral of unhealthy medical experiences and allow the medical profession to play into Ventian before they would have seen them or being able to actually improve those health outcomes, and that's amazing, very exciting because that's really the medicine that I went to medical school to practice now. That's really great. Dr net and just focusing on those patients, I think, is so special in Sochi. So kudos to you and, and base health for taking aim at, at that part of what population health, why did you decide to get in the medical sector to begin with, you know, it's funny that question comes up a lot, and it's as she for me, very easy to onset. I have a very specific. Event that occurred when I was still caught a young boy, I was with my brother. We were walking in London walking out of a train station and a crowd had gathered at the side of a road. And somebody had been run over and my brother was a doctor at the time, and he pushed his way to the front of the crowd. And, you know as people to let him through excuse me, I'm a doctor and, you know, he was concerned for me. So he had me sort of standing to one side, because he was really taking care of me at the time, and I remember looking on as all these other people looked on at this patient. And my brother was playing into mention and offering care and treatment until the ambulance showed up, and that was a seminal moment for me. I realized that I wanted to be him actually involved in delivering the care, and supposing, you know, being the active participants as opposed to the observer, and that really sort of formed the, the main trajectory for me that made me decide that I wanted to do medicine. So that I could play the most active role in contributing to people's overall health and being able to deliver care in urgent circumstances. And ultimately, what I did some most of my practicing clinical career was working in the emergency room where you see an awful lot of those kind of things as well. Very cool at that connect. That's so cool in. Thank you for sharing that story. You know, it's I you just took me back there. I kind of felt like I was part of the crowd and Xiaoyu walking through and e save the gentlemen. And now you're, you're just you fast forward and you created that for yourself. And now you're able to provide that help to the people, very inspiring story, and feel like as leaders in this business. We all got to reflect back onto that time that created that spark on why we're here and that spark is what keeps us ignited and keeps us going when the going gets tough, you obviously have decided with your recent involvement with base health to focus on population health. Right. And so I always ask what a hot topic you believe should be on medical leaders. Agendas. But maybe you could take a step further there within population health and dive into where should leaders be focused today. Well, so I think the primary driver in terms of exciting opportunities in healthcare is data and then the second most exciting area or topic that we should be focusing on is data. And I'm joking, it's not to the exclusion of the patient or the personal aspects. And that's really the medicine that we all want in source of the medicine that clinicians want to deliver. But we can't do that without data. And we haven't had really good access to it. So for the longest time medicine was reasonably safe, but not very effective over the course of the last several decades. It's become increasingly challenging to practice good medicine, much more risky for the patient and very difficult for the physicians because they're being overwhelmed with all of this information, these various choices, and really the key asset that we want as a clinicians is to deliver the best possible care, so that individual patient, and I think one of the things that we failed in the past is to sort of focus on the individual in all of this and by that, I mean pulling out the details, so. We talk about diabetes type one and two. But in fact, as we've analyzed the data now we know there's at least three types of diabetes, not just to and that's just based on the data. I can't tell you exactly what the classification would break down. But we can see it in the data maps that show is these groupings of patience. And in fact, I think it's even more refined than that. So as we analyze and stopped to take access to more and more data, I think that's going to become the magic eight ball, and healthcare, it's going to allow us to understand our patients better. It's going to improve the advancements and the changes that we can deliver to those patients that is customized to their particular circumstance. So your clinical condition, albeit labeled the same way, as somebody down the street will be different because of so many other aspects. So I think the analysis of that, and in particular, I think the key asset that we have is awesome official intelligence and the sheen learning, but really go. About to sort of add to this tool, which is still one of the best processing tools on the planet, but it's not good at certain tasks is not good at processing huge amounts of data and being very consistent. It's very good at teasing out passan's, but we have to present that information. So for me using Stein analysts IX to find the patience and to deliver the very specific care that's appropriate for them. What's the one intervention that we can do if you were going to focus on one thing? And there's probably lots that you can do that will change the trajectory for that patient. Let's focus on that. And then if we can add other things, it's a little bit like, you know, the steps of trying to lose weight. We don't focus on leaving losing twenty pounds. Although some people set that target the first target is that first half a pound or a pound and every successful journey starts with these small steps, and I think it's that very much with data. And when you think about data, it's about the lens. How do you. You focus on the right pieces of data and allow the physician to see when you see this enormous, sue NAMI of information. How do you tease out because a lot of patients? All look the same, I don't mean that physically. But you know, in terms of if you looked at them on paper, gosh, there is sick as it has a similar data elements. But how do you tease out the differences in the ones that are significant in the ones that are not? There are people that walk around the never have any challenges, lift one hundred and then there are others that don't and we want to find those make sure that they get to the clinician so that they get that expert care as early as possible. So I think that capacity and the other thing about data is we already have lots of it is a hundred and fifty million articles in PubMed scientifically validated literature, and are we applying all of that knowledge to the point of care? You get the best possible care when you go and see your physician, maybe not not because he doesn't want to give. It to you. But he may not know how does he know at the point of time that he sees you the, this is the right piece of evidence the right pieces science. And that's where technology comes into play to support that so that you can present those options to the patient and the physician. So that together, you come to this consensus of this is the best path and the best choice. Because as mobile more than one. Yeah, no doctor neck. It's obvious. You're very passionate about data. And I'm just curious for the listeners. Can you give us an example of how you've used data? And whether it be machine learning a I or, or just any basic analytics to improve outcomes. Give us a specific thing that maybe other leaders in the field can apply. So I'm gonna focus on the invisible patient, because that one's very contextual to me. I think it's really it's a very narrow group of people. So when you look at population, you essentially have this typical distribution of risks that everybody understands that the percents. Tells the media and the big bump in the middle and most people understand very clearly, the ones at the top end, the folks that are high risk chronic diseases, recurring, issues, very expensive, and lots of things going on. And then there's all the folks of the boss of men who are low risk, who very active doing lots of sports eating while all of those things. And then this big group in the middle the biggest collection, and we have trouble finding individuals in there that in fact, in hindsight, when we look back after a year of data, we realized that, there were certain folks in there that became very, very sick that show up in the emergency room, they'd have a Mike ostlund faction, they progressed extending and bypass, and then ultimately have congestive offset all a terrible outcome. I'm what we know is that if you could place him intervention earlier on based on science. So based on the science of the PubMed database and all the published studies if you did one or perhaps. Some more things for that individual. You could have changed the trajectory and prevented them from showing up in the emergency room, and maybe prevented the disease from even occurring. That's really exciting. We can do that. And we can do it accurately in such a way that now it's very much to me like the Boeing engineer that sits in Seattle at his computer screen, and he's looking at data coming from a seven fifty seven that's flying from San Francisco to Washington DC, any notices because of the eye and the artificial intelligence that there's a problem. So what does he do? He calls up the captain and says, hey, I think you got a problem with engine. Number two, they go trouble shoot and the Logan is for the engineering team to be on standby, and if the plane's got issues, and that's proactive engineering, but we don't do that in healthcare, we tend to wait until you know, something catastrophic happy. And this is now the outreach that goes to that patient. And for some, that's a little bit unusual. And there's a challenge of trust here in, in the healthcare system. Where can you imagine receiving a phone call? If you're like me, you don't onto your phone at five o'clock. It's not a chance in hell. If my phone doesn't know who you are, then I'm not answering the phone answering. Around that the put that to one side and say, you know, swimming, there's a trusting relationship you receive a coal from trust the visor your physician, all your healthcare team to say, hey, we think there's a problem, all we'd like to see you come in and apply. Some assessments, and get some additional data get some lab test get some vital signs and you feed that into the model and then either that patient is proven to be at risk for the following reasons and you present that to the physician and say, we need to do the following things. Let's put them on as inhibitor for their blood pressure. They need to be on a a static. All they proved to be healthy based on the data and you say, well, that's great as she does. No problem. This is good news. But we've done a good wellness. Visit this wasn't sick CAD. This was wellness care, and that for me is just a complete change in the way that we practice. And when you think about why you went to medical school. It wasn't full the catastrophic interventions. Was to prevent those. It was the humanity to say how can I extend people's lives and their quality of lies as much as possible, that's for me? Very very compelling as a message and a concept in terms of the data in the proof points. That's great example, doctor, neck. And maybe we could take it a step further. You know, maybe is there a particular type of condition that you guys have been able to? Let's say pick out of the crowd and say, you know what? Thank God for this new way of doing things that we were able to identify this. Do you have any stories like that yet? Yes. So, in fact is not necessarily a condition. I think that's one of the historical aspects to health care. Although we do categorize Carney artery disease is a classic example, diabetes is another what tends to happen is, though, those don't occur in isolation. So if you're a diabetic, you caught often have Carney disease with it. You might have peripheral vascular disease. So it tends to be a constellation of things, but I'll give you a specific example. So we ran data against a data set from two thousand thirteen and twenty fourteen blinded. So we had no idea about what had happened. This was off to the fact, and we got the data as if we were looking at it in twenty thirteen and we ran an analysis, and we were able to identify patients with an accuracy around ninety seven percent that essentially would going to spiral into poor health and we looked at one of those patients, good example. And it was an individual that in February bearing in mind that January through to December is a typical timeframe for these insurance pools in the risk goals. Yes. And in February they presented in the emergency room and they had a heart attack. And then they presented again, and had another heart attack than they had some standing ended up with coronary insufficiency an hour on long-term Connery support because they have congestive heart failure. There. Challenge with exercise. I'm based on the data. If we'd seen that in December of twenty twelve so the, you know, the month before all of this kicked off, we picked out that individual and said, absolutely high risk, major challenge and it wasn't a big list. So it's a rank ordered list that says here all the patients in here all the things we think are going to happen in order of both significance medical significance in costs and then importantly, taking account of patients, our best estimate guesstimate of their ability and willingness to participate in comply. So we look at all of the data associated with this and say who are the people that are likely to respond, because there's no point in going to a patient that, you know, you say, hey, you go to lease problems, but they refuse to fill the prescription. All they refuse to come into the clinic, and some of that can be social determinants of health, so, you know, non medical factors. And if you can play. Some intervention you can do that as well. So provide the Yuba to get them into the clinic, and so forth. But in those instances where there's just a, a raw noncompliance that maybe not the highest priority. It's not that we don't care, but let's focus on the people that are willing and able and engaged in the first instance. And then, with what we've got left, we'll start will attack some of those others, but that's a huge and that turns an at risk group from reading to black ink. That's typically the patients that will turn you into a loss-making proposition on a risk pool in a Medicare Advantage program. For example, not Dr neck. That's great grey. Call out you're not gonna be able to impact positively every single patient out there. I mean, let's just be honest with ourselves, you know, if you're a pair, if you're a provider looking to minimize your losses and maximize your outcomes. I think it's important to take note of what Dr Nick just mentioned here, you know, focus on those patients that are going to help themselves. That are going to help themselves. Right. And so it's a great college. Dr Nick, can you give an example to the listeners of a time when you've had a setback and something that you learned from that setback? So I thought about this a little bit. You were kind enough to share some of these questions ahead of time. And, you know, the first thing I would say, is that on a routine basis, I consider myself failing in many aspects of my life and world and not in a negative way. I think the key asset and things to remember is not to take failures. The endpoint failure is just a learning opportunity to me, and to be clear, you know, I'm preaching versus you know what I practiced. I'm sure I internalize the love of this. But I would say that my most embarrassing failure is a personal one so many, many years ago, my wife and I had all offers child. He was a boy, born in Glasgow and my wife's a very accomplished a nurse. Midwife health visitor. I'm a physician and we went through hell on earth as many parents, do with a very difficult. Child's never sessile vomits at you. You name it just all the things, and I know lots of people will listen to, yes, so big. But here's the failure, and this was the hidden data hidden patient. And the, the fact that I couldn't see it all my wife couldn't see it, despite extensive clinical experience, my brother, who's a GP the one that, you know, inspired me to be summed up to visit finally to see the family, and he couldn't beat in the house more than five minutes, and he says, oh, my God, he's got a milk allergy. Oh my goodness. Oh, right. Yeah. I you know now you saw. I'm willing to a couple of days we had moved him off regular milk. Put him on soy milk, amazed, whole demeanor, had changed amazing. And som either encapsulated about days or it doesn't matter even if it staring you right in the face to face, you don't always have the capacity to see it. And that's where technology analyst IX. Machine learning all those things, I think our contributors there. They're the supporting act. They're not here to replace you. They're here to support you in allow you to do better work, better jobs, essentially better medicine. What a great example, doctor neck. And I'm glad your brother showed up. Two. And that just goes to show. Right. You spend enough time. And you're so passionate about something you could care so much about fixing it or getting it, right? Sometimes it helps to just get around a group of people that have a fresh perspective to help you see the solution very much what we would cool, the curb side consult in the traditional form of has right medicine. The thing that used to take place in the doctor's mass as it was called in my time, all the, the area where the clinical team us together. Now, nobody gathers that nobody else she it turns out that, that suddenly used full putting terminals in people to access the, the electric health, health Recco, which Somme we've lost a little bit of that interaction. And I think one we should encourage more of it and two we should allow technology to be part of that cups. I consult process now. That's such a great call out, and our great story. Thank you for sharing that let's take a look at the other side of this. Dr neck, what's one of the proudest, medical? Leadership experiences that you've experienced date, so I wanted to share a non medical one. I as yet. I'm so I actually I would say from a leadership standpoint, the thing that I've learned the most from a leadership standpoint, is it has been from animals and children. And I would say that my capacity to understand or put myself in other people's shoes to help me, nuts, Sharon's, and move people's views and opinions into a concerted direction, particularly with training of my labrador. When I she was around told me this tremendous amount, I wish I had a dog many, many years ago, because it taught me the, the true understanding of how you look all the people's perspective because perspective was much simpler different to mine. Right. I had to insert myself and the other thing was with kids, especially very, very young kids that I used to trying to Sokha safe. Same principle, not that, that dogs, but they were very similar in some respects in terms of their behavior and allowing a means to understand their drivers in their perspective. And all of that has really helped me over the course of time be a better. I would call more of a nut tra- versus a leader. And I've learned a lot. And when it comes to healthcare, I would say, for me, the proudest time I had was working at a Dell for Michael Dell. In fact, and one of the most inspirational people, I've had the opportunity to meet to quite frankly, given how successfully is and what he's managed to establish such a humble gentleman, really inspirational to see somebody of that. Stature, just as an ordinary guy, and that for me was just a, a real joy to work with him work. Full him and the people that he and spas around him. I think true leader, I'm one, I try and mimics in my behavior. Thank you. Dr neck. It's pretty cool that you had that experience to work with Michael Dell. And in a you've definitely have had your fair share of success, as well. And I would put you in that gentlemen category. And, you know, I think as, as leaders, I think your call out here that what you learn from animals and children, I think is a good one right to nurture and instead of just lead. I think that goes back to the idea of putting that care into health care, and what a great call out so glad you brought that up. Maybe you can focus a little bit on a exciting project or focus that you've got going on. So I've told a lot about base health. Maybe it's it's with talking a little bit about the incremental ISM for me, one of the things that I realized some time back is the, you know, we're all looking for this huge change the Eureka moment, if you know that you Rica story in the, the origins of that, with the Eureka measurement of displacement by worser whilst they occur. They tend to. To be infrequent. And the majority of our learning opportunities off small incremental changes that add up and that's true in healthcare, when you think about patients. It's not the you can come in and be this fantastic clearance. Airway obstruction the Heimlich maneuver. The most people can understand. That's very gratifying. But that's an unusual experience. It's much more likely to be a complex long condition changes minor issues and teasing that out. So the small pieces of data I'm what I've discovered clearly is that other industries use this very effectively. And there is so many learning opportunities in other places this past year. I presented at hymns in conjunction with Hilton who do this fantastic job of hospitality. And yet we in healthcare do a pretty poor job in most hospitals and healthcare systems, you know, we tend to not give patients the best possible experience. Why can't we learn from them put in place? Some of the, so it's bringing all of that together in this incremental approach for me is really the best scope. We have a revolutionizing healthcare. This is not going to be a quick fix but it will add up to something. And when you look at Yuba, if you look at the history and the timeline is lots of little small cools corrections it wasn't as big on my God. We've got to have Uber. Nobody. I think the same is true in healthcare, and, you know, those small changes that when you look at them, you go will do. That's obvious that may be true. But if not being used then it wasn't that obvious and implementing that I think, is going to add up to the change, we desperately need in health de neck. And I think that's an awesome call out. And I think a an important ingredient in that recipe for big change is consistency right? Once you make that shift stained consistent with it seeing it through yet. On the other thing I would add incremental changes is also insurance against risk. I'm why do I say that? Because if you make small changes in, they don't work. You find out quickly, you haven't made a huge sort of financial jump into some direction, and you've got the ability to course, correct from the so you're right, keeping consistent and and building on is important. But also that learning off the chin. He failure is not available. It simply learning and if they're only small changes, it's much easier to recover from that and quick to recover. That's mitigation of risk my mind. Awesome. I love that. Yeah. And, and this is such a great example, outcomes, rocket listeners on what you could do in your organization. You know, make those small changes that tie into your mission that tie into your goals, and ultimately course. Correct as you go through its insurance, you can make these small changes. You're not putting big dollars or big pounds into your decisions. So Dr Nick, let's pretend you and I are building a medical leadership course on what it takes to be successful in medicine today. It's the one on one course or the ABC's of Dr Nick and so you and I are going to write out the syllabus. I've got four lightning round questions for you. And number we're gonna finish up with a book that you recommend to the listeners, you ready. Yup. Absolutely awesome. So what is the best way to improve healthcare outcomes? I think the best way to improve healthcare out. Comes is to use the existing pool of information and data turned into knowledge, supposed- by technology and enable the highly skilled individuals that we have working in the system to work importantly, to the top of their license, and that's not just physicians that's ole clinicians, and it's the enablement of that potential rather than asking them to do tasks that I think don't actually deliver better care, they demean and reduce that capacity. What is the biggest mistake or pitfall to avoid? I think the biggest mistake we make is failure to understand other people's perspectives. That's one that is a big topic or big issue for me. Let me pick something controversial vaccines. The idea that any parent comes into a pediatrician's office with the intent of harming that child is, is for me with a very, very tiny minority park. Possibly is just preposterous. So the fact that they resisting the science-based supported evidence of, of regular vaccine schedule is not Mallon tend and we need to understand that position. And help them understand why that's wrong. If we believe it's wrong am swayed NAS imposed so the importance of understanding other people's perspectives. I think is the most compelling issue for me all the most important issue. I love that. How do you stay relevant as an organization despite constant change? Oh, I think welcome changes. The key learning point for me. That's easy for me. I just can't be anymore excited. And think about all the ages habit inch maker. Yeah. Yeah, it happens and comes up, it's good news. And if it doesn't work, that's okay. Recognizing the risk, and the, the challenge associated with loss of time and effort and so forth. But it set bassin again, the small changes, try these things out and see if they work, and if they don't coast. Correct. But welcome at this is what an exciting time to be alive in in healthcare, and in life in general, look at all the stuff that's going on. This could not be more exciting as brilliant. I love it. I totally agree. And finally, what's one area of focus that should drive everything else in your company or organization? Oh, that's got to be the patient. I think the most impressive organizational chart that I have a soul for a hospital is one that I helped building Glasgow twenty two twenty three years ago and instead of putting the CEO, that's all they had the patient at the top and everything else underneath, and you know, it seems simple but my goodness, you know, focus the mind, why are we here? I'm not here to deliver medicine. I'm here. The service the patient, I am not the most important person in the healthcare delivery system. The patient is, it's all about the patient. And if we're not delivering good cats them. We're not being successful in my mind. That's a powerful visual. I'm I think you're not just I love that. I am not seeing that before the visual. I've heard people talk to it. But just having that organizational structure with the patient at the top. Wow. I love that. Dr neck, you've obviously done some really cool things. And you've read a lot of books, but what would you say if you had to boil it down to one you'd recommend and put on the syllabus for the listeners, you know, this was probably the hardest question, but it's, it's one that sits by my bed, albeit sometimes in the drool. But not, you know, it's a short history of nearly everything by Bill Bryson. It's not medical. It's not a futuristic at scientific. And I just want to read for you, the first couple of lines from the preface. In fact, it's not even the opening. Yeah, let's do welcome. And congratulations. I'm delighted that you could make it guessing. Here wasn't easy. I know. In fact, I suspect it was a little tough of the new realize to begin with for you to be here, trillions of drifting. Atoms had to somehow assemble into an intricate and intriguingly obliging Mana to create you. It's an arrangement so specialized in particular, that it has never been tried before. I knew Aloni exists this once and it goes on to sensually everything about the world, the universe, everything down to Petr and atoms and beyond. And then all the way up to the scale of the universe and to get a sense of how tiny and insignificant and particularly to put things in perspective. I like to read I actually keep that on my desktop. I have a lot of that shot of that. And it goes on a little bit. I if you read nothing else, just read the preface of that book. We'll blow your mind. I love it. Dr nick. And so, I'll comes racket listeners. They have it. Check out that book. And by the way, don't worry about pulling over in writing it out the worrying about stopping your run. If you're listening to this, and you're on the go, just go to outcomes, rocket dot com slash Dr Nick. That's D R. I C K. You'll see all the show notes of our discussion today as well as a link to that book and a link to all the things that Dr Nick is up to, including his websites and the best place to get a hold of them. So Dr neck before we conclude, let's just hear you share one closing thought and then the best place where the listeners could get a hold of you. So my closing fill is for the most part, the same. This is the most exciting time in period. It is the best possible into section of healthcare and technology. I'm excited about it. It doesn't faze me tool. I think technology has always been about enabling human potential. Title, and we have enormous opportunity in front of us, and I'm just delighted to be here at this time as the reaching me pretty much. If if you can't get to me the internet is down. At least that's my view. I feel like I'm reasonably well connected, you can find me on Twitter, at Dr Nick DR, and I see the number one on Lincoln Facebook United at, in fact, I did test this, I was curious, you can search for neck, Vantaa Hayden. But if you can't spell that Dr to Nick, and I do appear, although I do get muddled up with the Simpsons, Dr neck and also Dr George nNcholas palace, who was the original doctrine that he was Elvis's physician Mattis funny. So you'll find me I'm actually on the first page of Dr nex. I just pulled it up. And there you are. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. Yeah. That is cool. Awesome. Well outcomes. Racket listeners. They have it. You got the best way to get a hold of Dr neck show. No show. They're ready for you to review. And you can always listen to the episode again, of something inside of it, inspired you. So Dr neck just want to say, thank you so much for joining us today and looking forward to stay in touch with you. Likewise. Thanks. Very much having me. 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Watt It Takes: Nest Co-Founder Matt Rogers

The Energy Gang

1:05:41 hr | 1 year ago

Watt It Takes: Nest Co-Founder Matt Rogers

"Hey Everybody Stephen here before we get into this edition of what it takes a very good episode with Mat Rogers the CO founder of Nest <hes> I just WanNa provide some housekeeping first of all you haven't heard my voice in a little while that's because I'm on paternity. Leave <hes> and I'm going to be out until the fifteenth of August so we won't have any new episodes of the energy gang until the week of the fifteenth of August but if you're looking for more content go over to the interchange <unk> change it's the other show that I co host with shale con we have tons of great back and forth deep dives. We also bring on guests for long-form. Interviews are our most recent interview which got a lot of traction was with Leeann stokes of the University of California and she talked about the really surprising public opinion trends behind the green new deal so go check that out. If you want something to read you can find G._T._M.'s new APP in the Apple Store for I._O._S.. 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It's now a leading supplier across the America's to with the world's most powerful two hundred and fifty kilowatt fifteen hundred volts string converter son grow is providing disruptive technology for utility scale projects wchs you can find out more at Sun Gro Power Dot com this week on what it takes how a former apple engineer apply design principles from the IPOD and the IPAD to thermostats jolting and industry badly in need of change change having the largest incumbents conglomerates sue you as a startup with zero revenue and eighty employees is an honor like we we must be on the something if they're scared by us like this is probably something we should keep doing. You're welcome to what it takes. This is our interview series produced by powerhouse in Green Tech Media. I'm Stephen Lacey A._C.. In this series we hear from founders and executives at the most influential clean energy companies their background their passions their struggles their deals their management philosophies there near death experiences in this episode powerhouse C._E._O.. Emily Kirsch sits down with Mat Rogers. The CO founder and former chief product officer of Nest Nest is best known for its elegant learning Thermostat the first major breakout hit and smart home space Google later acquired nest for three point two billion dollars in this interview interview Rogers talks about his apple influence how he and Co founder Tony Fidel got obsessed with the connected home and found the devices lacking and how nest fit into the Google legal structure after the acquisition this conversation was recorded live at powerhouses headquarters to learn more about future speakers and attending a live event powerhouse dot fund that's F._U._d.. Click on the events tab and now here's Shell con my co host of the interchange podcast opening up the interview with some more background on Mat Rogers and ask any throws it over to enjoy the conversation. Thank you so matt. Rogers probably needs no introduction but here I go anyway these days. I think that many of us anyway take it largely for granted that the idea that the smart home is real and that is it's here to stay at more than sixty million of us now in the United States have smart speakers that we are speaking to in our houses checking the weather and ordering groceries and turning the lights on on and off and whatever else we're doing in the privacy of our own homes with our Alexa devices. I actually saw somebody the other day say that his three year old daughter recently asked her toaster order her a toy from Amazon and personally I can say this actually just happened to me as I was standing outside just before this <hes> my phone buzzed because my ring video doorbell told me that someone was at my door so this stuff is all happening all around us all the time and we're becoming very familiar with it very quickly but you don't have to think think back that far to a point where this was not at all obvious in fact I was looking at <hes> Google search trend data a couple of days ago. The term smart home basically didn't show up in the search data at all until about twenty thirteen and then since then it's been on this very consistent upward trajectory jury as the idea of the smart home and all the things that it comes with have gained an interest and if you think through the story of how we ended up in this position position where we are all starting to get smart homes all the time perhaps the craziest part of it at least to me is the killer product that broke open open this market which is the smart Thermostat who would have thought that the thing that would break open the smart home was the smart thermostat before nest and Mat Rogers Tony Fidel and the team there help make thermostats cool. They were just an ugly utilitarian device that we all forgot we had in our home but because of a combination of new capabilities and great data analytics and beautiful design the nest thermostat was different basically as soon as it was introduced reduced which was in two thousand eleven and I suspect most of you know sort of the broad strokes of the story as it progressed from there. The Nest Thermostat was introduced adduced it blew up it was almost immediately at least from my perspective. <hes> one of the hottest new consumer tech products in the market became very popular very quickly adoption adoption was taking off it didn't actually started launching other products. They'll launch to smoke and carbon monoxide detector. They're taking other forgotten items in the home and making them both smart and sexy and it actually was relatively quick from that to the point where Google saw the potential and bought the company for wapping three point two billion dollars in two thousand fourteen and then since then after what feels on the outside like many additional lives that nest has lived within Google most recently <hes> Google essentially rebranded its entire smart home effort as Google nest making the nest brand sort of front and center in one of Google's biggest biggest initiatives so I think that story is reasonably well known and appreciated what I think is maybe less appreciated is how the impacts of what happened with nest have reverberated in multiple different directions for example as a thought experiment imagine that the nest smart thermostat or the smart thermostat in general hadn't taken taken off. Do you think that we would still be in the midst of this smart home revolution that we see today I would argue no or separately only if nest hadn't seen a three point two billion dollar acquisition where would the world of cleantech entrepreneurship be today. I would bet you that nests exit as a venture backed startup has done more than any other to prop up the world of cleantech venture capital especially during a time time when it was sort of out of vogue and perhaps inspired entrepreneurs to create new businesses in the sector and that's to say nothing of the impact of tobacco flexibility which is this widely viewed as one of the pillars of decarbonising the grid but for the most part when we talk about demand flexibility today what we really mean the smart thermostats so mat Rogers along with his CO founder Tony Fidel and the team at nest I think should be recognized not just for having built a wildly wildly successful company but also for having helped to spawn multiple trends that are changing all of our lives every day so given that I can think of no better way to spend our than to hear Matt Story and I with no further dual handed over to Emily Kirsten View Mat Rogers Matt Welcome to the new powerhouse headquarters quarters and welcome to what it takes. Thanks great severe definitely. This is not meant to be a trick question but what time zone is your body and right now. I'm actually not sure so. I got off the plane pain from London three hours ago but I woke up at four o'clock in the morning in Europe so I'm not even really sure at this point. We're happy you're here. It's so as people know Nasty co-founded Nesper Tony Fidel in two thousand ten spoiler alert for those who didn't follow your story at Nestle to Google Google just four years later for three point two billion dollars. <hes> want to start with your family though so like me your grandparents were immigrants from the Hungary Russia Austria region. Your grandfather grew up in New York. Selling newspapers became a union plumber. You grew up in Gainesville Florida. Your Dad was a local doctor. Your mom did interior design. What influence did your grandparents and parents have on your character? Yeah I think the biggest actually thinking about growing up been groping a small town in a small town that didn't have a lot of venture capitalists and technology companies and those kind of things I was always inspired and pushed to do more and to ask lots of questions to be curious and fortunately we had a university nearby university. See Florida's isn't Gainesville and they always pushed me to reach out to professors or be a lab rat for some Grad students and <hes> also was continue to be curious always be learning but the other side is to be human and especially my grandfather having grown up in the depression oppression and having literally nothing and having to sell newspapers for two cents to maybe buy dinner for the family than being a plumber in New York City in the fifties and sixties and being able to send to kids college always pushed to like hey like there's a lot of privilege in life in a lot of luck and it's really important to recognize when you have lock in to help pay it forward to others and to you know to help others in their journey and that's one of the things kind of post nest has probably affected me. The most is no time to sit on your laurels in enjoy. There's so much suffering in the world and things to help out on absolutely you as a kid. I know you were very high energy and as you said very curious so nothing has changed in thirty plus years and as a three year old you had a ah Mac plus and then at thirteen you loved the company apple so much that your grandparents took you on a trip from Gainesville Florida to Apple Apple H._Q.. In Cupertino in California true story your story so why did you love apple so much and what did you say to your grandparents when you were there at Apple. Oh my gosh that's so funny. Mac Plus those apple history apple to the original Mac nineteen eighty-four you know iconic launch. This is kind of the the kind of generation a half afterwards and my dad bought it to kind of start his medical practice and to run the software that he eventually wrote for his medical practice but I fell in love at this company again this this product and if you watch kids today with an iphone or a smartphone and you see how intuitive it is for them to use the screen and that's what it became with me for a computer <hes> I guess being a three year old with a mouse and keyboard I learned a lot and I totally fell in love with apple as a company and the products and really appreciated cheated how far they went to build great stuff and especially kind of let's call it like the late eighties and early nineties. The computing computing industry was mostly garbage is mostly based plastic. Let's apple you some Beige plastic then to <hes> is mostly garbage and apple made great stuff and really push the envelope of making technology this accessible and when I was thirteen my Baretta present was my grandparents took me out to California cornea for road trip and when we drove to the bay area I was very clear with them like we must stop by infinite loop and take a picture in front of the sign and actually I wanted to go on a tour but if you guys knew anything about apple they're not very open to the public so I got to the lobby that was cool as best as far as but I had a very kind of well it's one of those like when you're a kid you talk to your parents and grandparents and family members about like we're GonNa be when you grow up. I was like I'm GonNa work at apple all they're like Oh. That's great kid sure you are always very determined to do that and you know it's funny. How life takes you on crazy? Journeys and I got very lucky to kind of land exactly where I wanted to be <hes> so to that determination point <hes> after high school you went to Carnegie Mellon to study both electrical and computer engineering. I want to note that you got both a bachelor's and master's in four years and then as a junior <hes> before you graduated you had the opportunity she to intern at your dream company you intern at apple working on <hes> one of the first ipods and <hes> my understanding is you as the in turn were responsible for developing the software for the IPOD is that right. It's actually kind of crazy story so summer two thousand four <hes> to put this in context apple had not yet launched the ipod mini that was the product that was gonna come out just after the summer in September that year which just really took it up the next level of the curve in terms of millions of units and then eventually tens of millions of units the team was quite small like the kind of all fit on one one and a half floors have a pretty small office building. How many people maybe twenty five or thirty people it's pretty small team? Everybody knew each other. Everyone had worked together and some capacities Kathy's before and they were all super super heads down and focused on getting this proc shift so the point where like you know the intern mm shows up. Let's give the job that we all think she'd get done but no one's doing so which was building the software for the product building the software for manufacturing bring the product so they give me the intern the job of rewriting all of the software that was used in the manufacturing process to ensure quality control well and to make sure the practice today worked <hes> the intern like to make sure the work so I think they really the thought experiment and like they weren't actually gonNA use anything I built but like I two ish months then they realize that actually this is probably the path to go and <hes> at the time like Tony Fidel and Brian running the hardware team at the time. We're like all right well. Let's let's do this and apple had some weird policy at the time of not setting the interns to China. I guess that makes sense so I worked from Cupertino on Chinese time to make sure that things were getting up to speed be those things were getting installed in line for the that falls launch <hes> yeah it was crazy internship and you are you are offered not just the internship but while you're turning and you were offered your dream job at apple as a junior but you decided to finish school. You didn't drop out you graduated did graduate. I think my mom would kill me and then and then you started at apple the team though that had been a twenty five person team was now one hundred person team I got back nine months later and and like who are all these people and where they come from talking about like explosive growth of of a team I started with an apple not just from a product perspective culturally two's very isolated and kind of separate from the company even physically physically separate from the company and to watch explosive growth was it was amazing and so I got back from from college I was like all right. I'm ready to do it so they put me on like fixing bugs so it's kind of like what you do with the kind of the new college grads of pinch hit for the summer to make sure the ipod Nano got shipped and unfortunately it did a lot though and so then in after it had shipped then of those hundred people that are now on the team ninety eight of them went to work on the next version of the next I pod and they said you you lowly new employees eat. We're going to give you something that nobody else really wants for some reason which is to work on the first iphone. You've it wasn't cold that when you sell it that way. It sounds really good so if you think about being a place at a certain time I'm so like like the fall of two thousand five at Apple. The ipod is seventy percent of company revenue. It is the hot product it is the the biggest consumer electronics Bronx in history to the Walkman so everybody wants to work on the new ipod scraper your career. It's it's the it's the product what apple it's the one that Steve is GonNa pay attention to those kinds of things and my boss is like well. Let's throw the new guy on the skunkworks quirk staying that may or may not ever ship and that at the time was the prototype for what would eventually become the iphone but at the time was really just like five five or six guys in kind of a walled off section of the building you know working away and I was in two thousand five. You shipped it into dozen seven. It ended up being the biggest product out at lunch of all time didn't see coming either. I have to be honest with you. Guys like none of us at apple all at the time realized how big it was that we were building I like Oh. Maybe we'll sell one hundred thousand of these kind of like the level we were expecting like. Maybe maybe if we're going to get you know we really have park. He was like half a million of these is really complex product right. It's pretty expensive but actually like to AH Steve Jobs as credit. There were very few people in the company who actually understood the whole picture. We all actually were working on pieces so like my team was building the hardware you know during the manufacturing building the firmware that low level software for the product and there was a different team in a different building with different badges to get in that was working on the applications and the U._i.. And those teams didn't actually work closely together so like there was only like half a dozen may dozen people in old company who actually saw things coming together rather it was an incredible two years. If you think about watching something Oh for zero to not just launched enormous launch in terms terms of team we went from you know it's like a half dozen or dozen people to about a thousand people when we launched. Maybe more than a thousand you actually hire hire that many people it's not possible so we ended up stealing people throughout the company like people working on Max Max anymore guys come over the IPHONE team <hes> we didn't call it. The time we didn't launch everything was called purple time random color if we could call it avocado to that would be great <hes> on boarding thousand people. It's a lot of opportunity for leadership and for me being so early in my career it was kind of like getting Lexington right place right time and having been early on the team I had some knowledge of how things worked in you know how this this part of the rock worked and you know who to talk to you for this and kind of felt naturally into a leadership role of helping people get started working iphones and things grew from there. If you had to synthesize one learning about leadership from that time what would it be. Yes the hard questions. Oh we're just getting started. I think he's like ah my learning from that point in time was to meet people where they are and people come to the table with wherever their experiences their background their education where they worked on before for their culture and it's really important to meet them where they are when it comes to leaving them on either new project or a new initiative and I didn't get that at the time but obviously get it now Tony Fidel who is credited with designing the ipod was your boss and mentor at Apple for six years <hes> in two thousand nine because Tony wanted to lead all of the development for the iphone but Steve Jobs <hes> disagreed and gave him an ultimatum and they ultimately parted ways and so in two thousand ten after he had left you were twenty six years old. You had worked on iphones for a few years. You were making half a million dollars a year at Apple Chris Fortune Privilege and being replaced the right time like especially thinking about like my might mental state at the time you know as a young guy making really really good money to then quit and walk away from that you know it's kind of crazy right but actually that's part of the privilege that I now realize I they had like because I had a little bit of savings I could I could burn down for two years and that allowed me the flexibility to go start a company. If I want to do it for sure and you went to Tony and said Hey I'm thinking about about quitting walking away from my dream job from all this money to work on smart homes and Tony said Oh oh it's terrible idea some of you guys actually in the audience know Tony and often some strong strong words mixed in with a really bad idea for the record you can swear on the Tony Nine met for lunch at Madeira. Oh my God. This is such a cliche like all right Allie T._v.. Show guys are placing it so Tony I had lunch at Madeira on Saint Hill Road at the Rosewood October over two thousand nine. Guy Is such a cliche now history was was he the T._v.. Show did exist back that was he was he in a McLaren with the McLaren when he was not in a McLaren game. It may have been worse though may have been like an Aston Martin. I actually don't know car he's driving time I saw he he had spent the last year in France with his family kind of taking a break from nine stressful years at apple and was building a house in Tahoe so I had just bought a house in Los gatos pretty close to apple that was built in nineteen seventies ash and as you can imagine had we will be both actually houses on the brain and I was like Tony. I I do my research. There's a lot of forums on the Internet like people are doing these connected home. Thing Ah time I actually the connected home is not really a thing. It was a bunch of hackers kind of string things together. There were no products to speak of really there tinkerers kind of like the computing industry pre apple one and I was like this is a huge opportunity we could go and make great products like we did apple like us the same kind of hardware same type of software cloud services title together and we could make this great smart home. He's like it's a terrible idea. That's not that's not a business. That's not a product. No wants to buy a smart home. People WanNa buy great stuff that was kind of the kind of of key insight from that lunch but that's worth doing and he's like I've been doing this house in Tahoe and buying all the best stuff that's out there and there's a lot of problems and there's a lot love opportunity to build great products so we kind of left that lunch for like hey. Let's spend some time onus and him and I spent probably like six months either meeting in person doing sky types like working drilling down through all the problems in the home that we could solve off with technology. This is while you're still coming apple still fulltime at apple so it was very good very good hygiene. I had different laptops different cell phones. It's important I did tonight. Apple Apple did not only the property I was billing and ill that the key was much like when you build approx do market research we were effectively. We didn't actually realize hybrid effectively the early market research and use your testing like what products are worth doing and end. How could we solve those problems? It's really important. I think to start with a problem statement like technologies in search of a solution. You guys probably hear that cliche shale hot. We WanNa make sure that we were solving a real problem that affected people and that can make a difference in people's lives and through all Lavar kind of drill downs with like we looked at irrigation example. Is there an opportunity to say people water and turns out. It's really hard to do and only about twenty percent of homes pauvres irradiation so we'll do that product. That's not a good place to start and we looked at the energies side and we're like okay. I mean would you some hot water heaters leaders that could be interesting now turns out hot water heating only about twenty thirty percent of energy and really really hard to save turns out hot water heaters pretty efficient the big thermal batteries effectively. Oh heating and cooling half of energy wow beige plastic boxes no uh-huh technology terrible user interfaces seems like an area where we could we could really attack this problem and it seems obvious now in hindsight but at a time like this is kind of like one of those critical moments I found something really cool and we spent the next few months talking to people who had made thermostats before are we called some folks at U._C.. Davis who had done some research in the industry. We actually cult folks at e._p._A.. Who are managing the Energy Star Program for Thermostats Pat's and learned actually that they were sunset the program for Free Energy Star thermostats like Oh this is like right place right time again and then spring of two thousand ten six six months after that first conversation like this is worth doing fulltime? Let's do it and I resigned from Apple. Tony moved back from France. Let's we rented a garage in Palo Alto and it's not like the T._v.. Show again like Man T._v.. Show is so real the cheapest real estate we could get and it was like twenty five hundred bucks a month for like two thousand square feet which is like impossible now all right so this Louis great we got we got we got room to run and we put a little bit of money in ourselves and we started hiring our bodies and we're like let's go hire the best people he possibly could divined to build this thermostat as we did. How much of this decision to leave was motivated by climate change a lot? Actually I mean gene going back to kind of my last year. At Apple I was getting more and more frustrated with the lack of mission and by building the biggest consumer electronics product and history you have actually have a responsibility to and we were saying in an executive review for what would become iphone four and Bob Mansfield who is running the team at the time was asking US questions around graphics performance I how many frames per second for either fruit and injure angry birds one of those two and it just didn't click in my brain it was like we have assembled around us this remarkable team of incredibly talented people putting their all in for Fruit Ninja. That's that's probably a problem. That's that seems like the wrong thing for us to be. Doing that was one of the things that caused me to start looking at what are other opportunities to go to go go attack and I'd always been motivated by climate change. It's one of the largest challenges of our generation next generation and probably every generation soon thereafter that we can count and if we could use an from my perspective the skills that we have to really impact act like why shouldn't we go do that. That seems like the right thing to do and I know you as you said You tony put in about a quarter million dollars. If your own money that gave you about six months runway to do the early puttered prototyping and the goal of the first prototype that I heard and tell me if this is right the goal of that prototype was don't freeze grandma this winter <hes> Yup yeah part of answering this new industry for us. We we have to learn a lot and we quickly learned is AH ipod crashes and reboots like Oh man like I got to start my song over again if your thermostat crashes and freezes and the heating is at work grandma's GonNa be real pests not not not a good thing so yeah we were very insistent on doing extensive testing and field testing before we launched in we had about five hundred homes around the country using prototypes before we actually even interest the product that first winter was tough. The summer was actually even harder. The summer before we launched <hes> was really really hot and Florida and all of my family is from Florida and imagine it's like ninety five five degrees and a hundred percent humidity and you're interesting is not working so needless to say I got a lot of phone calls from my mom which then caused love bug fixes to happen. There's really good motivation really motivation good user testing unlike a lot of startups in clean technology that are selling selling to other businesses. You're selling directly to consumers and <hes> how did you get those first customers. You said so beyond beyond kind of your mom and and the immediate family <hes>. How did you get those first customers and what did you do around press and P._R.? How did you leverage that to get those rose consumers as opposed to utilities or other big energy companies one of the things that we pulled out of the apple playbook effectively verbatim is the power of story the power of a narrative and the power of a surprise launch and we we had done our damnedest to keep secret until we already in one because we weren't ready? We didn't want to kind of blow it off what we're doing but also we didn't want to kind of build expectation before four things ready and actually in today's world old people pre-announce things and Samsung Galaxy fold and where is it now and we have we had learned that lesson of like don't launch until you're ready <hes> and then when you're ready go big so we had we had built the narrative of the why like what's the problem that we're solving and how do we solve it. And why are we solving it and the story of the team and we this is funny so we had hired a really really great p._R.. Person Person <hes> from Logitech catering's incredible incredible P._R.. Leader and she would outreach the journalists and not tell them what we're doing because if she told them they probably wouldn't take the meeting and surprised in the meeting with what we were doing and we would take them through the narrative and the story and we would by the end of the meeting whether it's like a thirty minute our our briefing they were sold. A little later on Kleiner Perkins and Shasta Ventures led your first round series a eight million dollars series a google ventures than lead the series B.. It was fifty million dollars along with light speed ventures and generation Al Gore's Fund Fun Fact You campaign for Al Gore before you could even vote in high school so that Karma came back actually my wife and I <hes> held signs and kind of door to door for Al Gore in two thousand but neither of US could vote and we're not married that obviously <hes> we didn't get married till till like five six years ago but again like climate change is always been kind of part of part of who I am in get B._I.. Bed in the morning and it's just funny how things come full circle and your life like the woman I was campaigning with ended up being my wife and the Guy I was campaigning paying for the investor. My world is way too small. It's really strange again like luck and privilege like I can't can't believe it sometimes coming up why nests co-founders never celebrated success for too long plus why Rogers things the company may have launched too many products at once. 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Go check out what son grow was up to at solar power international and Salt Lake this September you can find them at booth to two one or go to their website at Sun Gro power dot com and <hes> so after three years you had two hundred employees. You were shipping forty to fifty thousand units per month. You had just sleighs. You're raised your latest round it an eight hundred million dollar valuation. What was it like being founder at that time and having that kind of success in what type of responsibility did you feel? Oh for the people on your team in the company so we didn't think too much about success or not because we were always looking at the kind of the next milestone. This is also part out of my coming from the Tony L. School of Management at Apple you celebrate success very briefly and then like we're moving onto what's next so we were always kind of looking going ahead and thinking about you know. How can we get this company? The next level we'll turn next product how we are next market but like we had hired almost actually she wants three hundred people at a time and sold them pretty hard and why it was the right opportunity and a lot of them moved across the country three quit their dream jobs upward their families took a lot of risk and for a founder that's thinking about the responsibility and I think about a Guy Kiro Honjo who who moved him and his wife from Arizona and quit a great job there and didn't have a lot of savings and making sure that you know I was doing the right thing for him and his family to so as a founder. It's not just about what's great for your investors what you think about your employees and the risks that they took joining and I I always think about that. I'm glad we've made decisions the way we did thinking about that. Was it a lonely experience yes or no so unfortunately I had I had a co founder and someone who I could really go head to head with. We would talk every morning. We actually still almost talk every morning. It's like eight thirty A._M.. Every day we were driving to work and we talk on the phone in our drive about like what are the key things we should be looking at where things we should think about literally everyday so lonely in that like it's a from a leadership perspective. You can't leave your team because it's not something you can do but it's good to have a partner that you can bounce things off of but yeah actually Tony. I still keep in touch when we talk almost every day. He's again different time zone. He's in he's in Asia now but but <hes> he texts me before he goes to bed and I texted back in the morning and it's like delayed conversation. It's Kinda like telegram talking in the Nineteen Thirties. It's really sweet. What did you do really well? And what did you do poorly. Oh man that's a really good one. What I do really well so I I think extremely good hiring and getting people motivated around a problem and you think about what made a successful L. A.? Yes like the mission is absolutely core but getting our employees aligned around the mission was probably even more important especially as we scaled it became became impossible to make every decision ourselves like we come from this Apple School of management where like Steve Jobs big every every decision on design and the product as we scale the company because we had such a strong mission alignment the team was able to scale with us. I think that was a really really think we got right. I think thing we didn't get right. I think I wish we spent more time on was spending more time in each vertical before the next one. We were very very very quick to start starting next PROC line before our previous PROC line matured and for the first two it was kind of okay but like when we got to the third and the fourth invented the Fifth Brookline became that's stretch of the team very thin and this was going from thermostats to smoke detectors to security cameras security dirty systems other countries because we actually had different products in different countries <hes> became very complex for pretty small team and question on that I know the original vision that you had right and the reason you started nest part was so that eventually you could do this whole not just smart home but a smart grid application but then you kind of you ended up doing the smoke detectors and the security cameras so why the deviation from that original vision also this question is from David Crane by the way it's actually more additive and actually David was a really good customer for us for us. It was additive so we launched a really accessible thermostat product and we're scaling that product at the same time we're launching our utility software services like our demand response service. We Watch energy efficiency service eventually lunch time of you service uh so we were doing that and we're doing all these other things in parallel I think in hindsight we felt it was very important because it's such a new industry that we actually needed needed almost like a land grab each of these key products if we didn't do them someone else will and from a competitive standpoint we wanted to make sure we had it kind of Keith position staked out in each of these key vertical eventually while we bought drop cam to we saw this camera market growing and we wanted to be in that market to make sense and we haven't talked about this yet but what was unique about the nest Thermostat I mean it's actually really simple. It's an easy use product. That's really it. I mean it's beautiful so you don't feel guilty putting on your wall. It saves you. Energy saves money like it's just it's simple. It doesn't need to be super complex and yes we packed it with lots of technology analogy and sensors and machine learning but that's not why people buy it and that's not how we sold it either makes sense. Were there moments that you thought that ness would fail many many many moments. Oh Man Okay so I probably dozens of moments and it's funny how it could be perceived as an overnight success but like back internally there is moments failure on a weekly basis so when we were going to launch our second product thermostat version too so is one year after we launched our first product because there's a lot of things in the first product that we didn't like that we wanted to kind of get right the second time two weeks before we launched like two or three three of our vendors in Asia decided to back out. This business is big enough for us like who's this next company. We're not building for you guys and and if you think about like having spent fourteen months of R._N._D.. Play two hundred million dollars like AH and your suppliers like we're not doing this anymore like two weeks before launch. That's that's one of those game over moments. Fortunately we had an incredible program management operations team and team Honjo called some relationships from people they'd worked with in the past and we're able to get someone else to pick up the pieces and we got really lucky and had a really successful launch. It was very rocky internally but externally looked great our N._p._R.. We also talked about company any moments we launch a smoke alarm that we kind of pushed the limits of what we I should've putting the product for a one point product. We may be added too much. We added a feature that you could wait at the smoke alarm in silence it. If it was going off off you know false alarms happen cooking. The Bacon along was off wave at it great. It's super convenient right turns out if fires happening you're running around the house that could look look like way think not the best thing I've done so crockery call and having been to those at apple like those Zor those are really scary moments and they were scared apple with apple resources and the apple support network as a startup super super hard and despite having a good amount of capital. You're pretty lean like there were no lunches. Shuttles NAP pod yeah also coming coming from the Apple School of Management You know Steve and Tony had gone through the massive layoffs kind of in the ninety s and having gone through that experience you know Tony was very clear. I had never experienced that I was still in school. He never wanted to go through through that so we didn't over higher. We we hired beneath our burn rate. We didn't have the futons and the NAP pods and we didn't have free lunches. Che's although we did have tacos on Tuesday. It costs US two hundred fifty dollars to the entire company frugal we we didn't kind of focus on the frills focus on the mission and people were excited join us because of that mission not because we had free lunch in two thousand twelve and two thousand and thirteen thirteen nest was sued for patent infringement on both thermostat and the smoke detectors by number of companies including honeywell. Do you remember where where you were. When you heard about the lawsuit yeah I was driving to work? I was driving to work and I got a text from chip so was one of our advisers at the time. He was apple's head patent attorney so he was kind of the guide apple responsible for apple's I._P.. And <hes> he was an adviser to Tony in helping US kind of crafter I._p.. Portfolio and tech saying you guys see the news you're getting sued <hes> and one of the is like David and Goliath moment and it's either like really scared and turtle up and just hope it goes away or are you kind of make yourself look bigger than you are like peacock style we decided to do that and we actually hired chip full-time to lead our to lead our our legal team and <hes> we went actually back after them and what happened we won so we it was great over over a very long period of time we actually the invalidated their patents because they should not innovative they were copying something else and they were trying to sue us for using complete sentences in our product. You cannot patent complete sense. It turns out that's not nothing novel. That's obvious we got thrown out eventually and <hes> one of those things that some investors would be scared by that but we had done a really good job of keeping investors loop on all things at all times and they were with us every the way like if you guys want to fight this behind you back here. was that the hardest moment or if not what was the single hardest moment it really wasn't the hardest moment it was scary but at the same time we realized we could use this really scary. Moment also has a positive talking about the power of a narrative like having the largest incumbent conglomerates in this space sue you as a startup with zero revenue and eighty employees is an honor like we must be on to something right like if they're scared by US then like this is probably something we should keep doing <hes> so yeah I actually kind of the opposite we're we're kind of invigorated so fast forward you got through some of these growing pains and as as we said earlier in January of two thousand fourteen when you were raising at a two billion dollar valuation and had about three hundred people on the team Google bought you for three point two billion dollars so two questions one how did acquisition come about and two. How do you feel about the valuation especially that extra that billion bonus bump AH head come about so we were raising our series D. and is one of those fork in the road conversations either this? This is GonNa be a really big company. We're GONNA need to raise a lot of money like as hardware businesses scale like you gotTA. Keep throwing money in it. It's not like it's it's a becomes. He comes immediately profitable so we knew we'd have to raise a lot of money and as we were having series D. conversations we got a call from Larry Page of Google to come in and have a conversation just before Thanksgiving so it's like it's like third week of November and we went up. Wait so Larry Larry Very himself calls. You email okay okay was that was that weird. Little no definitely exciting. It was kind of interesting that was my first time on Google's campus where all these people on bikes and like everything's a rainbow what is going on here. There's like jumping in like what is this place and we took the elevator up to Larry's office of the top floor and he sat down in the boardroom like just the three of us and he explained why he thought we were doing something interesting and like how he thought the smart home was like the next evolution of computing and why it may tends for Google to be there to Goodell yeah and the logistics of acquisition are interesting like usually some sort of corporate development guy comes to your office with a piece of paper. It's called a term sheet looks a lot like You're with a google mindset so it's a really good home for. I'm really excited for the team still there after the acquisition nest bought drop Cam for five hundred fifty million nine dollars and there was some controversy around culture clashes between nest and Google and drop Cam and ultimately that led Tony to leave NASA two thousand in sixteen you stayed on for another two years in time to see US folded back into Google's hardware division. <hes> what did you think about Tony leaving and were you thinking about leaving to at that time in two thousand sixteen yeah. It's a really good lesson in how you could be vision aligned but not be culturally lined and we as you say culture clashes on so many different levels like drop cam came with their way of doing things we had come with this very kind of apple mindset of building products ex google had their way of doing things and it was a little bit of oil and water and it took a while for the kind of the mixture to settle out having Tony leave was was both sad but also I think it was a really good thing for the company because it allowed the company to eventually become integrated with Google and Yeah Tony is he's very kind of top down leader. That's not how Google Works Google is like it's a little bit terror. Cells like I like loosely connected Federation of teams like literally each cell is doing their own thing. They may be doing the same thing like they may not even be talking about. It works works for them. They all this innovation because they allow kind of things to grow from the grassroots. It's not how we ran. The company is a how how Stephen Apple but it works for them and having Tony Leave allowed me to eventually hand the company off to Google what was it like being at <unk> at Google post acquisition like what were the best parts and what were the worst parts best part is probably the access to talent in the access to technology so so for example like we were looking at some new ways of sensing motion using radar and what do you know there's a team somewhere we're at Google in some lab somewhere developed like radar that fits on a microchip holy cow like and we will talk to those guys and they're thrilled that we reaching out like they actually reach out to them before it was great being a kid in the Candy Store Technology Candy store anything you want. Someone's probably working on somewhere. The people working like geothermal heat pumps and like you name it. Someone's working on Google even today like name it nuclear fusion splice. I'm working on. It ain't the hard part. Is that you there's no mandate from the top of what's a priority for the company so let's say like like this year. It's really important that we launch a security suite bronx. We could say that that's our most important thing but there's there's no cultural mechanism John for making sure that happens so you kept your day job at nest for the first year that you launched a new initiative. I should've called insight which we'll talk about. How did you know that it was time to leave? Nests slash leave Google and what was it like to leave. Um So combination things one. The team had gotten to the point where they didn't need as much anymore and I it's kind of being a parent and send your kids off to college. It's both a sad moment but you're like Oh. They're they're they're going on their own the world and we had built an incredible team that could really run the show without us and that me things easier at the same time actually recognizing my own my own failures in like my own inadequacies overseas like I'm probably not the leader that Google is going to want to run this business within Google. You know I'm a little bit against the grain as he has might see a little bit contrarian sometimes and that may not be the right thing for fitting within Google structure so it was kind of realizing I may not be the right guy for this team's probably ready. This may be the good opportunity for me to hand off and head out yeah. Although you're no longer at the company where do you see nest and five years. Oh so google nest cold I think will be one of the two platforms in the home. They'll probably be to Amazon. John will probably be the other one third have a lot of first party products but actually I think more importantly they'd have a lot of third party products and this is one where especially when you put a google had on enabling a vast vast ecosystem of other companies like thinking about what android did to the smartphone space incredible strategy right and apple has like one iphone two or three iphones now but how many android phones are out in the world and how many companies spawned how many businesses were created on the back of Android and last question before we move into what you're doing now within sight what lesson took the longest to learn. It's probably about trust and if you hire great people you know you have to trust that they actually know what you're doing again not to second guess them. I often had Tennessee as a leader nest to like oh I can you take another month of that schedule or like. Can you take five dollars off that bomb and keep asking those questions and in hindsight yes I was pushing them to kind of made you their best but they were doing their best already and I was pushing them all too hard. <hes> actually I still haven't learned it. Actually I appreciate and admire your self awareness so to the present day you you and your wife Swazi who you met when you were twelve years old and campaign for we didn't get married at twelve you campaign for Al Gore together. You have been described as silicone valley power couple so I._T.. Was With Square for four years before joining the investment team at Kleiner Perkins as a partner <hes> You oh you had your first date when you were trying to launch nest any dating advice you wanNA share with the audience based on that experience so I actually got my whole team involved. I don't know if that was a good thing a bad bad thing we would do big team meeting review where we are on the PROC status bugs launch readiness all those things and someone always asks like a personal question going on this date with this girl. I knew from college that smarter than me I think she's awesome and I'm kind of nervous about it and like they're all trying to get psyched up and prepared to go on this date. I probably should have done that. Play a bad idea. It's cool because like now like we're all friends. Friends like my wife and I are friends with all of the other folks that s because they're they're on the whole journey with us when he was a good thing to do that again actually but but actually I won't do it again because my wife a long term thing you don't get you don't really do that again. This real time processing is amazing amazing so you watch launched insight in two thousand seventeen. There's three entities insight ventures tobacco changing startups insight labs is a private foundation and inside politics back political initiatives and candidates. Give us just a minute on what you're doing now and why so we believe very strongly say that if you give rate mission oriented founders and entrepreneurs the kind of the capital the cadillacs the advice they will go work wonders and they'll accomplish does that change in the world and especially coming from Silicon Valley. There's a lot of focus on startups start up to the right vehicle to couples change but they're not the only ones and especially Swazi has been his influence on me from her background working in nonprofits and working in development that there are lots of mechanisms to accomplish change inge and our jobs sort out kind of illegal structures but we want all great entrepreneurs who are on epic mission succumb to confine just to get out awesome. We are going to close with I R high-voltage round. Quick questions quick answers if you were going to be an animal. What animal would you be and why I play dog so my dog Bingley is an Airedale? He's he's a really good dude. He's got a lot of energies always happy to see me. She's like his life is so good and I admire admire naievety but like also like his spunk. If you had to start a new career tomorrow what would it be do the same thing I yeah I think I have no regrets in my life and I'm just I'm so happy to have gone through that journey and I would do to get in a heartbeat other than yourself. To whom do you the trip your success play my mother. Someone who won always was there to push me but at the same same time with Ariza sounding board when I was falling short couldn't do without her for sure. When have you failed every day literally every our day I come from a place like I see lots of new things every day? New Technologies new companies new initiatives new people running for office and I realized allies how many great smart mission oriented people are in the world and like how inadequate massive imposter syndrome and that's one of the things that gets me Ed to keep doing what I do. What's the best investment you've ever made so think financial investment is a company called? Have they make credit softwares for small businesses so as a small business you may not have a credit history and there he created some really cool online online tools like a lot credit Karma for for small business and we did see an investing in a series a. and then we fall in the being the C and I think that's one of our strongest financial investments none cleantech investment but quite good actually good for humanity like small business need help totally. What's the hardest thing the hardest thing is probably the divorce of my parents when I was thirteen is one of the things that made me grow up really quickly talking about like going through college doing Undergrad and Grad and for years like I was forced to grow up really fast and help take care of my brothers and and maybe that was a very hard time but may was really good hindsight and that the leadership skills that way what is something that you thought was true that you no no longer believe the people change so so I I think people don't change people? Don't change you are who you are you could you could learn learn new skills but it's really hard to change what gets you out of bed and what drives you who had the biggest influence on your life and why I think from an outside perspective Al Gore actually someone I've always admired and talk about like someone who's gone through like remarkable luck success privilege but also failure and how he's bounced back from failure imagine having election defeat handed to you by one vote in a supreme court and then going onto build an incredibly successful career as an investor and as an advocate and elevating the issue climate change on the world stage like an incredible story of kind of rebounded and success. When are you your best self everyday always just gotTa show up and do it? I love that answer. What's your worst trait? That's probably the same. Actually I have one speed and I wish I wish I had like like a gas peddling. Push it all the way down and we kind of let up a little bit like I have all the way down off. What's your greatest career embarrassment embarrassment? Oh man there's a lot of them so the team at nest we did a lot of team photos like very candid and she gave hundred emission earlier are head of hardware operations took a lot of candid photos and I think there's I think there's photos of me. In bunny suits and China in very awkward reposes that I'd rather not get on the Internet we can all go search for those after this. What was your the single greatest career achievement? I probably hasn't come yet. Honestly I think back of like you know starting the smart home industry like revitalizing cleantech but I think the best is still to come and I think about the impact we can have insight and the ability to help others accomplish their dreams. I think the best is still to come through them. If you could change one thing about the world what would it be for. 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Maybe it's like the Japanese Samurai School of learning where like you've never never quite the master. If I could have done one thing differently I would have me. I should quit school start athle- earlier. I missed a hell of a year like yes. I probably wouldn't have Madam long-term but I I missed a really fun here that you're if the world knew me for one thing it would be minus fifty PPM. Let's do it. I'm proud of still make it. I mean a lot of adversity the last decade and a half stuck through it last question to build a successful startup. What it takes is perseverance? I never give up and again. I had the most lucky path through everything like I'm not sure. The Nest Path is reproducible but mcnew to pass at the same but you've got to keep persevering through adversity. 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Contras, Cocaine and the CIA: The True Story of Barry Seal

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Contras, Cocaine and the CIA: The True Story of Barry Seal

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You are here and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know every time you do that every time you it's about to get into some kind of freestyle or something there's a cadence to it. When you did dude didn't do i get so hyped. Have you been listening into a lotta hip. Hop recently a little bit yeah yeah yeah oh. I've got to send you some stuff as well. I've been listening to some amazing things. I almost caught. I was in vegas he gets <hes> circumstances found me in vegas this past weekend and i almost ended up at at a weird party with some notable people but it's it's being lame. I went to my hotel and read a book. Yeah you did wink. He's totally ran. That party thinks so yeah yeah looking at nola. I don't think he did and he's telling the truth. <hes> you guys have a good weekend yeah a great weekend. Hey i played a lot of that. The detroit becoming human was the free game on the playstation network. July totally worth at biscuit played in a long time highly recommend it if you're into story if you want some complex gameplay don't don't do it but if you just wanna learn about how android will one day you know become a free and independent people go for in detroit. They'll become human in detroit. Yeah the well in my case. I don't spoil it for anybody. Take things turn out well. That's good. I've got to say it's so it's so weird that we don't do more video games stuff. I would love to play. The video game called stuff. They don't want you to know your hand and <hes> you know maybe one day maybe one day we'll we'll mess with some video game. Type folks folks currently like old like video games that tied in with movies that look nothing like the movie like nintendo you know it would be like back to the future of the game but you just be like this little blocking more demon vying yeah in allie remember the game. That was the. I was just going to mention that yeah e._t. The game one of the universally agreed worst video games james ever yeah i think i think they dumped eve land. Eliza maskrey exactly see but in our video game you choose to be one of us or paul and and you would go through and you'd have to solve conspiracies with the help of the others. It would be a multi player game. You could have four people at once playing right he in place a little. You can totally play so that's how i would play okay but what i'm saying is if you were into playing together. You guys could investigate going down. Different leads you report back benz found out everything about about the black hand <hes>. I've been busy over here with an extraterrestrial angle for some reason they're connected then we figure out the next place to go. I'm telling you this video game rules. <hes> get at me and ben and knoll and and paul whoever you are you video game developers out there yet. Tell us your idea if you had. If you had a video game about your own personal experience what would it be. You don't have to write it all out. You can call us and give us your three minute pitch. We are one eight three three as t._d. W w i t k if you're a long-time listener you can probably tell that we're all we're all film buffs here or voracious sponges of story and information <hes> we we enjoy that in terms of video games terms of music art <hes> nuno film film and books and so on and we were talking a little bit off air about tom cruise who will be familiar to all their fans of tom. Cruise control all mentioned in earlier episode in twenty seventeen. The actor tom cruise starred in a film called american made american made follows the highly fictionalized fictionalized life and times of real life pilot named berry seal piloting amongst other things pilot amongst other things and we asked oh i forget that pope paul mission control how you doing today all right. We've got a good thumbs up and paul. You also gave thumbs up to american made. Is that correct. That's official double thumbs mm slough. Nobody wants to know how i'm doing ways. I asked how you guys were doing. Desma was my fault. Are you guys doing it and i sent it to ben. You know it's cool. Tell me what's what's up in your life. No did you go on that date. We talked about. I take on a date and it's true. I saw a fantastic movie that you guys. I should also called the last black man in san francisco <hes> i enjoyed it thoroughly. It's kind of like a weird it kind of fits in with our show because it's got this weird kind of alternative history version of san francisco where like everyone the grew up there has been forced out is not a made up at all. It's absolutely what's happening but there's this backdrop of this kind of like toxic event. They never really name but like the fish are poison. The water is all poison and the whole thing has this like kinda crazy terry gilliam or like michelle gandara kind of vibe. I recommend it highly very dreamlike very powerful <hes> very special movie. I liked a lot done. What were the what were the ratings reviews. They're good. They're hagen oregon but <hes> i i just i think it's something that's hard to describe and i'm not even going to bother trying too hard but something that you think will the movie. We're talking about today. American made has some pretty dang good ratings at least according to rotten tomatoes right one of the premier rating sites. Can you lay those numbers on us yeah. Let's let's give it to you. Critics gave it eighty six percent. The audience gave it seventy eight now. Generally gotta say those two numbers or flopped where the critics will give it a slightly lower rating in then <music> audience members will enjoy a movie a little bit better than the critics. Perhaps gave it a <hes> cr- cr- give it credit for <hes> yeah. I don't know <hes> but in this movie in this case ace the critics really liked it and here's the question. Would those ratings change. If the film were to follow the true story of berry seal the story that even today runs rife with the stuff. They don't want you to know so here are the facts. We've been throwing this name around a lot berry seal who who is berry seal berry c._e._o. Was born in baton rouge louisiana on july sixteenth nineteen thirty nine and his father was a candy wendy wholesaler and clansman yeah he was a member of the ku klux klan which <hes> you know that sounds like a on the conspiratorial side i today what at the time was pretty commonplace for white dudes in baton rouge sad but true so berry grew up obsessed with airplanes and and he took his first solo flight at fifteen one year before he actually got his legit pilot's license and then not too long after that you were one of those companies that have like the banners banners that were towed behind the planes for advertising which is a thing that i've always been fascinated by like who is that person that does that and it's a great idea for prank into. It's a my secret list of dream. Pranks is to take one of those advertising banners. This is the most lord version taken advertising banner hire someone to fly fly out a banner that says will you marry me and just hear the relationships crumble around the city for anyone who accidentally looks up and then their their a significant other goes. Oh my god yes. I will yeah. I've always thought that was a pretty like blunt instrument way of doing that right you know in general it's pretty inconsiderate about it or man ruined ruined. Everybody's beach day to job actor barry seal real fast you guys yes. It's fascinating. Here is one of the first things we've learned about him. Is that prior to even getting a pilot's license. He's bending the rules a little bit and taking a solo flight something that is both irresponsible really dangerous to himself but also a adventurous right shore orange drilling junk journal junkie living on the edge of the rules <hes> yet and also has myopic obsessions to be fair. It's safe to say that many many people in this country in the u._s. Do something similar when they're learning to drive cars right your your parents turn older person or someone with license will take you out to a parking lot and generally law enforcement will look the other way as this fourteen year old is just tripping a clutch yeah but but it's a little different i would argue with planes right and his obsession with flight in general with lead him to the first steps on his long controversial controversial conspiratorial and ultimately fatal career he joined the civil air patrol and fifty five and the state based in baton rouge and he took part in a civil air patrol joint training mission with the new orleans unit that was run by a guy named david ferrie david ferrie later will be a peripheral figure in the j._f._k.'s assassination and that's not all of the connection between this character berry seal and the j._f._k. Assassinate whatever do you mean i mean. There's somebody else that allegedly met at least according to another civil air patrol troll <hes> member person john odom they say that seal actually encountered. Mr lee harvey oswald while he was training. Oh oh that's true but wait wait. There's more as more as billy mays was wont to say yes. Tosh plumlee another figure later related to the j._f._k. Assassination nation as a great name by the way hosh plumlee sounds like a character and clue yeah it really does. He claims that berry seal began working working for the cia in the mid nineteen fifties now. We have a quote from tosh on this. I think tosh plumlee would sound like a very seal was involved old with military intelligence in the early days. Military intelligence was real came with the cia. Acting logistical people berry was a peripheral player back then but he was a c._i._a. Contract pilot all the way back to nineteen fifty six of fifty seven now. Remember this is baton. Rouge doesn't matter how family sounds my man. He's an aristocrat of the highest order and seal would later in sworn testimony deny any affiliation with this ya whatsoever in any shape form or fashion. That'll that'll come up later. Let's keep going nineteen fifty eight. He began ferrying weapons to fidel castro fighting against the batista regime in cuba at the same time time a section of the c._i._a. Was supporting the overthrow of the batista's so if he said he had no involvement i guess he was who is just another contractor and maybe maybe castro had like a four thirty p._m. Appointment with the c._i._a. And a five fifteen appointment with barry seal who knows or maybe he he wasn't actually meeting like here's the tough thing it seems as though if you're going to be flying weapons in to a group like a of at least any member of fidel castro's resistance force you're going to it's going to be known mission right. There's gonna be a lot of handling that occurs is with that. It's not just oh hey i'm going to i'll be there around three c. and a little bit fidel guys fidel's dudes. I guess just what i'm saying is is it was certainly under the radar. When it was occurring right with authorities early she would have to be unless it was explicitly known that this was occurring occurring as a mission in part of the so yeah. That's that's another part because astute listeners. You just heard us say the c._i._a. Was at the time. I'm supporting the overthrow of these however. The policy changed soon. After castro gained power and berry seal apparently started taking part in era tax on the emergent new government either way like to he's doing nine hundred fifty nine. He became a c._i._a. Pilot in guatemala. It's it's true and we were. I'm just trying to point out some things here. Have you with themes with barry's life right this idea of possibly playing both sides. They're both supplying applying the new regime with weapons but then also participating in tax once they've gained power exactly kind of a fair weather friend at at the very least exactly so let's go. Let's go to nineteen fifty-nine now. He's in guatemala and he's officially a c._i._a. Pilot is officially a c._i._a. Pilot in guatemala let them all. It's also believed he was involved in training cuban exiles on no name key another excellent name in florida and on the north shore of lake pontchartrain in louisiana. He also ran a couple of companies based in his hometown baton rouge ciel sky service and aerial advertising associates. That's that's the banner thing. We talked about earlier. He had an office in the international trade center run by clay shaw. Can we just talk about aerial. Advertising associates sure i'm mm triple a. <hes> i mean first of all you're gonna get in trouble just with those as right can't use all three as i mean come on. There's a big company out there. They're going to take you down but the other thing is. It sounds like some kind of c._i._a. Front doesn't it <hes> when we've over the course of this show every c._i._a. F._b._i. Front has the most banal name to it. This is exactly what this thing is a. It feels very much like that to me not seeing it was a c._i._a. Front just saying sure. It's like legitimate business. Partners associated l._l._c. american no not american airlines. What was it called. What was the the big one area the america how could you how could you hate that america so in nineteen sixty two december he joins the twenty first special show forces group. He attends the fort benning jump school in sixty three the next year. He's assigned to company d special operations detachment of the twentieth special forces group <unk> airborne in sixty four he joins the two hundred and forty fifth engineer battalion based in saint louis leaves there in sixty six. He served in the louisiana. Dan army national guard the army reserve. He joins t._w._a. Trans world airlines in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight as a flight engineer and later becomes one of the youngest command pilots in the entire fleet so he loves flying. He's good at it. You just can't entirely trust that he will have your back with the chips are down yeah and he has had a lot of involvement with various military groups. It's it's he's inexperienced guy. By the time <hes> he's not that old yeah exactly born thirty nine yep wow wow so not even thirty and his shady and at times contradictory career finally caught up with barry seal on july first nineteen seventy seventy two. He was arrested in new orleans. It was accused of sending c four explosives to anti-castro cubans based in mexico a d. c. Four on the plane newsline was seized at the shreveport regional airport loaded with around seven tons of plastic explosives seven thousand feet of explosive primer cord and in two thousand six hundred electric blasting caps so this was gonna be one hell of a party and then james miller richmond harper and marlin hagler and also <hes> somebody murray kessler were arrested along with ceiling kesslers partner <hes> mammoth manny gambino. <hes> was kidnapped around the same time i am. The others were arrested very fishy. I can't be no corpse was later found in a new jersey garbage. Dump some mob stuff right here right hi. This is that gambino clearly exactly yeah well then the plot just continues to thicken after that because nice rue. Yes very nice little because that plane the dc four was actually owned by this guy named james boy who was in fact an associate known associate of the cia james booy. What a terrible terrible. Jimmy voice chimps plumlee and boy. Tosh plumlee and boys sound like made up names. I love it well. Here's here's again there there. Are these weird <hes>. This is a web streaming in the web. It's literally a gary webb and so this guy james boy. His aircraft later was used by oliver north essentially to to send mercenaries hired by him to fly in and out of honduras which which again we've got three points of connection here already that are just mindblowing right right. Maybe not enough connections to jump to a conclusion collusion no but three points what you need to climb up a conspiracy mountain take you so the man who organized the entrapment of seal the reason he got hot hot with all these explosives and <hes> that his friends got caught as well was a guy named cesario deal steidl <hes> an official with u._s. Customs it took authorities over two years to bring seal encode to trial and then things got really fishy so the trial finally gets underway june nineteen seventy-four four but government prosecutors do something that automatically without question sinks the case they introduce into evidence and automatic weapon. There has nothing thing to do with the charges against the defendants. None of them have ever touched. The chain of custody is completely unrelated to them and so a mistrial is declared seal and his buddies ladies are released no probation <hes> no monitoring no sentencing this was not to be his first arrest in this is about a plane filled filled to the brim with explosives. Okay not quite that large but enough explosives like we said to do serious damage somewhere and they just get let off off <hes> yeah <hes> this. This is also going to become a pattern in the life of seal. This was not to be of course his final arrest. <hes> but what what we can see is the evidence indicates that at every step along the way someone some suit would step in and take over the investigation s. gatien after berries. I arrest his career takes off or maybe it's more appropriate to see it veers off in a darker more sinister direction direction and we'll we'll. We'll examine a little bit about that but first. Let's talk about his death. This is the hinge of today's episode and we'll talk about it right. After a quick word from our sponsor this episode of stuff they don't want you to know is brought to you by a._d._t. Real protection from a._d._t. Is is personalized home security with a system that fits. Your unique needs the a._d._t. H._d. video doorbell. Lets you know who's at your front door from virtually anywhere right right from the a._d._t. 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Dot com slash podcast on february nineteenth nineteen eighty six very seal was shot to death breath by machine gun in front of a salvation army facility located on airline highway in his hometown of baton rouge and i believe we can play a little clip of the reporting yeah. This'll be really short clip from n._b._c. He used to smuggle drugs and he got caught and he became one of the government's most valuable informants in the war against cocaine but last night louisiana barry seal's enemies caught up with him and kill them tonight. Three men are ensue. Berry's murder ins a. d. not a investigation the investigate the drug enforcement agency the investigation was never resolved has not been to this day and according according to some sources the murder was never truly solved either and just to continue with this web motif that were already starting to create here and all the themes we realized that barry's death connected directly to a two part series we made in two thousand sixteen called banks drugs and money those based on a film called the infiltrator right yet and berry seal appears in the infiltrator which is inspired by true events events. I believe he has a different sort of death in this story though is correct yeah yeah. 'cause you know in the in the series. We're talking to robert mazer right it and he was this d._a. Agent who went undercover and he ended up busting up part at least pablo escobar's drug trafficking cartel and in sinking an international bank there was connected to the two that cartel and in this movie there. There's a scene where robert mays this character is being driven around by berry seal and berry seals character is complaining essentially complaining about ronald reagan ansi reagan antidrug movement talking about his high level connections with government officials essentially and how he's been doing this stuff <hes> <hes> trafficking drugs for the government essentially. I didn't clock it. All of that was him in the movie interesting. He's he's introduced in. It's kind of showing that way but then instead of the way we've described it before where berry being shot to death in front of the salvation army facility just in his car or getting out of his car he's killed within a drive drive by a motorcycle assassin essentially comes by and shoots him while he's driving the car and we noticed that this was the only depiction of barry seal's death where he wasn't just in his car. We're getting out of his vehicle. He was actually driving wolves occurring so to our mind into to your mind. You should at least know that that's probably probably not what happened to him but at the same time we i think it's just interesting to know these connections. We've been making here before we started. This episode knoll pointed out that he felt like he had already talked about barry seal and then we discussed how in covering gary webb <hes> who were who is the other guy babe's robber meser. I think there was one other main story that we've spoken about before where was c._i._a. Drug trafficking any <hes> just how common this feels to us so if that's not really what happened if there wasn't really a motorcycle drive-by than what did actually occur who who killed berry seal and why here's where it gets crazy so we talked about that first arrest and we mentioned this career change after his first arrest in nineteen seventy four when berry got off scot free he went face first into drug smuggling both for drug drug cartels and apparently eventually for factions of uncle sam the u._s. government his talent. His bravado has chutzpah had attracted the the attention of the medine cartel and their leader bob low escobar who many of us may recognize from net flicks. It was on escobar suggestion that barry seal moved his airstrip from louisiana to <hes> kind of a podunk place in west arkansas and by early nineteen eighties hit orchestrated did the importation of thousands of pounds of cocaine and marijuana into the us via this middle of nowhere strip in arkansas and he he started out as far as we can tell kinda smugly marijuana on his own and then he realized that pound for pound cocaine is where you get the most gas money is he depicted in that a netflix show narcos berry seal is in is in the first season and he's been awhile boiler alert. His death is also portrayed orcas. I thought that rang a ballot. It's been a long time seeing that but it makes sense. His death has been actually depicted multiple times which is surprising because he's not a huge public figure today day on arguably he should be. He was busted again in florida in nineteen eighty three who is charged with conspiracy to distribute. Get this four hundred sixty sixty two pounds of coke. That's an estimated street value in one thousand nine hundred eighty three of a hundred and sixty eight million so just for just for giggles. Let's look at how much one hundred and sixty eight million dollars in one thousand nine hundred three is worth in twenty nineteen eighteen. We're gonna pull up the number with some help. From mission control we to drum roll. Please just the sound of someone snorting something on the table even better perfect. I don't know how you found the happy happy medium between those paul but by god. That's why that's why you're a super. Producers shaky soared. We have to take out applebee's to apologize. Here's the answer one hundred sixty eight million dollars. Nineteen eighty-three has the purchasing power of over four hundred thirty two million dollars in two thousand nineteen so it's more than doubled. It's over that time. He was on the way to becoming a what we would consider the billionaire today. Wow you isn't it doesn't make you chuckle. What's that <hes> barry. Seal's alias or one of them was ellis mc pickle. No not not l._s. Alex smith seemed like such a good stand up guy. It's weird because you wonder why would need alias right. Smugglers often do but he turned and started working for the feds as informant yeah because he got caught with one hundred and sixty eight million dollars worth of cocaine so he was either just going to go away forever <hes> or he was gonna turn and start working for the feds got flipped yeah hard. You have flips hard so the d._a. Crack this deal with them. They said all right bury. Keep carrying on your business as usual. Keep flying your smuggling routes. We're going to give your plane the exhibit treatment you know what i mean. We're going to put high hi tech surveillance equipment in there in we're gonna pimp your ride to include the most expensive cryptic radio communications we had ever seen at the time according to d._a. Agent ernest jacobson and it paid off it delivered on his first trip. Oh yeah he got some photographs of cuban officials. Nicaraguan goons soldiers and sandinista government officers hauling duffle bags of cocaine hauling duffle bags. These are officials. They're just picking up unloading living on the plane. You can see a little bit of footage in this from that n._b._c. Clip we played earlier. You can find it on youtube video. It's insane <hes> he even brought back a picture of this guy this kind of ghost or <hes> this myth that exists out there pablo escobar but he was <hes> he was in one of those striped striped polo shirts that i shared i can't remember if he was portrayed this way in the infiltrator but you've seen media or depictions of pablo escobar escobar in this shirt is down there and feels intel then transformed him into literally the most a significant witness in the u._s. War on drugs almost overnight we literally that's what occurred this this thing we've kind of told you about where he got arrested rested with all this stuff got flipped got his plane. Pimps went out there and start doing this stuff. It was not a long term situation. It was uh slow burn. You're right matt in fact the philadelphia inquirer later called seal quote the most important witness in the history of the u._s. drug enforcement administration and while not in terms of this project but in terms of the history of the administration can we talk about the stakes at which he's playing his life right now short sure after having a military career through all that stuff then flipping to become a drug smuggler then flipping back to being an agent out of control. Can you imagine mcallister slept in. I know i know how much he slept. I mean he was getting high as own supply but still still though wouldn't that bring about wouldn't that enhance the paranoia that you would probably feel in that situation if you're anywhere near normally functions for the lack of sleep paired with the effects effects of the narcotics themselves sure he was a mess. Now i mean i would imagine the the stress not long into his careers. Informant trouble begins. There's a front page story in the washington times by journalists edmond jacoby which seems to out seal as a government agent. This is also one of the first public statements that later led to the iran contra scandal and the d._a. Said well known stitches. Pitches are no good snitch to us how boy yeah yep so they cut him loose and not long after the f._b._i. Restroom in louisiana and the baton rouge u._s. Us attorney's office says we're going to we're going to put this guy away for being a kingpin. He's like what brutal. I'm just flying planes for. Oh and they somehow in a country that will put people under the prison for like like small-time possession. You know barely intend to distribute. He was slapped with five years probation and they do six months at a local halfway house house. This is kind of like the drug dealer version of jeffrey epstein quote unquote deal and that's why he ended up at that salvation army on on airline highway that was part of his probation and that's where he was murdered in february of one thousand nine hundred eighty six and he was murdered but who actually murdered heard him. We will give you our best guests and warning <hes>. This is a little bit off the edges of the map so there is some speculation involved but taylor moore after word from our sponsor. Let's consider the secret life of the most nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. It has plenty of time to think if could sadly she has no brain however when an inner most nesting doll his gyco not only saves people money but also has been in providing great service for over seventy five years she thinks it's obvious you should switch because yes switching to geico is a no brainer pity the innermost nesting dollond her lawton life okay two things let's divide it two ways divide and conquer i there is the official story can't see here folks but i'm sort of waving my right hand in the air and then there are the conspiracy theories waving my left hand in the air who would have killed berry seal and why the official story is is is pretty clear legally speaking this is solved yeah yeah i mean it was obviously having something to do with his involvement with these drug cartels and essentially assisting in bringing them down in in you know going to give testimony against them right but i mean even if he wasn't going to testify drug cartels. Don't take kindly to folks that you know. Leave the life right not to mention that cooperating with any kind of law enforcement is yeah the cartels even back then were infamous missed for their brutality their inhumanity their cruelty and being informed regardless of which cartel it is this was meeting related but being an informant. It is a tremendous profound sin in the culture of cartels. This means that if you are caught snitching you the v thought of a quick clean death is an unreasonably happy. Outcome pigs will fly before the the cleanest way. You can die by your own hand. That's it yeah well. It's almost it would be if you could control how this person dies. It would not be a fast death breath right. That's the that's the idea right because they the the cartel plans right. They didn't just want him dead for informing or cost him millions of loss product and let's be honest. That's compounded on millions in bribes because now the the government officials there bribing have more leverage to say oh well. Things are getting a little hot right. Now you know woah wouldn't want the u._s. President finding out about this and they're like come on oliver be cool oliver north exactly well and then. Let's talk about the situation. He's alone in his car. At the salvation army someone approaches him and shoots bullets into him while he's sitting there in his car if this worst situation where it was preferable to kidnap him. It seems like that would have been an easy situation to accommodate that right because the way cartels do you it. The way cartels handle this stuff internally as they'll put out a bounty in the bounty will have a pricing schedule based on the person being being delivered alive which is preferable the person being delivered sort of alive but maimed which is a little bit less or the person being dead which is proof of death breath. You have a body part or a report or something. Cartel wanted him kidnapped so they can slowly torture him not just to get there <hes> giggles in their jollies but also so as an example for other potential turncoats who were also pilots aboard government affiliates and maybe even get some information about who we talked to and what what he told them so so they could get a sense of how to get ahead of it right yeah exactly. That's assuming that they're not already in cahoots with uncle sam right yeah so as you said here here's the evidence so colombian assassins were sent by the medine cartel. They were apprehended while trying to leave louisiana shortly after seals murder. That's true the authorities in reasonably concluded seals murderers were higher by the show brothers. These three assassins were indicted on march twenty seven thousand nine hundred eighty six in may of nineteen eighty-seven these three men are convicted of first degree murder and seals death the sentenced to life in prison. There's in without parole. Their names are leased carlos quintero cruz miguel visas and bernardo antonio vasquez and on march sixteen nineteen eighty-six one month after seal is fascinated then president ronald reagan tries to get more congressional support for the contras and he he is showing off some photographs seal is taken during his time as an informant reagan suggests that top ranking sandinista official is was involved in drug-smuggling which is hilarious and i'm really sad that reagan's comedy career didn't take off then he was a man ahead of his time isn't physical comedy the the movies back in the day right yeah i mean he does. It's pretty comedic things in in his time as president too so okay. Should we talk about how we feel about this. One we just go. I mean legally speaking. That's true. They were convicted. Will they work convicted showing. They actually pulled the trigger in knowing that they were trying to leave the country after this guy died who who feels like two very different things but i guess if they were convicted i i don't know the full details. We don't have the full details lay out here for you about you know the weapons that were used in the bullets that were found and trajectory and all of the the friends ex on that scene but you know okay feels plausible. Yes now will enter the realm of what is still oddly. Sorry let me be serious. When i say this <hes> now we're entering the realm of what is still oddly enough considered conspiracy theory. What what if uncle sam was somehow involved. What if the feds were somehow involved. What would their motivation be. The motivation for the cartel is that <hes> this guy was informant and bad for business and could make business even worse if as you said no they get information from him and he could testify testify yet uncle sam's motivation and for those who believe that the u._s. was involved in this assassination was that he could he <hes> those benefiting from this niche which would become the victims of the snitch and that that buries you'll wouldn't just give intel to the d._a. About the patel l. operations but he would eventually be in a public court of law saying yet loving name names people on the as <hes> you know their payroll. Let me name some names of the people in the f._b._i. Who got me out of all those times. I got caught red with the plane for real. Hey let's let's go over all this stuff. I just wanna talk about a- and one other thing possible involvement in the j._f._k. Assassination nation because tosh plumlee we mentioned earlier stated numerous times that he flew a secret flight taking the c._i._a. <hes> to the assassination site because the c._i._a. Knew that the murder was coming and they actually wanted to to prevent it mo. That's plum trees statement according to let's look at the evidence though okay so involvement in state-sponsored drug deals and maybe j._f._k. Assassination according to one of seals three wives debra berry seal fluid getaway playing out of dallas after j._f._k. Was murdered mo that's intense dance and we have more descriptions. Tosh plumlee pops up again giving us some details about barry seal's previous activity with <hes> illegal government projects berries bariseel did a lot of damn good staff in the late sixties and sixty seven and sixty eight. He was a theory america atika in south vietnam laos during search and destroy and special ops with ted shack la-z-boys he'd been recruiting. I think even for special ops because of the cuban thing can we just jump in here and talk about his evolvement right there with air america. Hello was doing hello everybody the front air america in south vietnam yeah remember how he got off. Scot free of that first arrest will we'll according to a gentleman named pete bruton who wrote a book called the mafia c._i._a. In george bush he says as soon as seal was freed. He quote began working full time for the c._i._a. Traveling back and forth from the u._s. to latin america and then we have a statement from daniel hop sicker hops or claims that seal was dow sheep dipped into the d._a. As nascent for the special operations group seal we'll worked under a guy named lucian coning who ran secret missions for the d._a. Sheep dipped is intelligence community slang which means to give someone a pretty waterproof if not ironclad alternate identity mc pickles or whatever there you go hopefully it. It was better than that one <hes> so this is weird though here's another piece so those are three pieces of evidence that uncle sam may have been involved. The fourth piece which i think is one of the most difficult cool to deny is that despite being apparently very very very valuable asset and witness he absolutely no protection when he was out in the field he had he was out in the wild with no guards and no monitoring and the local legal machinery caught wind of this and they were livid after priscilla died louisiana attorney general william goose hand delivered a letter to u._s. Attorney general edwin meese impro- test of the government's failure to protect techs seal goose called him a heinous criminal but he added at the same time vos on purposes he made himself himself and extremely valuable witness and in-form into in the country's fight against illegal drugs barris seals murder suggest the need headphone in depth but rapid investigation into a number of areas. Why was such an important witness not give him protection whether with all he wanted it or not. There's still no answer to this question today because if you are if you are an informant like that important witness you you don't get to a shoe protection like you can say no. You can't come in my house for instance but you can't. You can't stop somebody from parking that windowless flower flower van down the street for sure but no one was there sleep at the switch. There's even there's an attorney who who gives you kind of. It's a great picture of probably what occurred within barry seal's life numerous times where he he was caught red-handed smuggling drugs the d._a. The c._i._a. Get involved when they show up the people who actually were there. Who said you know. Put your hands up. We've found all your drugs. You're under arrest. Those guys get told to get the heck out of there while the d. a. and c. c._i._a. Come through out hit and they take over the operation then who knows what actually occurs to bury seal but it doesn't appear that he's being charged with anything nope. So who are we complicit here what gifts yeah at this point again to be absolutely and i would argue overly fair. The three cartel assassins are legally considered the guilty parties here. One of them has already died in prison but it does seem strange. If you think about the way organized crime works in this in this you know in this theater of underground war. It seems very strange that the cartel might risk an assassination when there's already so much heat on seal and so much media attention. Why would you risk angering the world's most dangerous largest military governmental apparatus. If you could find any other they're possible way to do it because that that could easily spark a war so that means that the cartel must have had some sort of internal the logic or calculation because they are rational actor. They must have said <hes>. This is somehow worth it for a while. There hughes sending a taunton of product over into a market for it to be sold right for these cartels so he is certainly valuable valuable to them. He has whatever connections he needs to have an he's a skilled enough pilot to where he is the guy that they're looking for looking to the already had plenty of skilled pilots pilots that they could find they did but he had some special sauce with connections with people or something right. I mean it. Has you have to imagine that he's he's there. Is something special to this guy. It's a combination of the skill and also that chutzpah you're talking about at the top of the show and it takes a special kind of bravado to make aac these flights so regularly and not be scared of the consequences right and so i i mean. I think that's a valid. Point is something that he supported to in interviews that people have with him before his death. He said you know putting yourself in life. Endangering situations is what i'm all about but again. It's it's a question why would the cartel do such a blatant obvious hit and get caught and then not why did the u._s. Government take no real action against the cartel because they did get caught. The cartel may have had a green light from the u._s. government. That's what a lot of people believe. The meeting hit hit story always had this big flaw who would try to kill one in the c._i._a.'s own and then this means that we inevitably trace respect the breadcrumbs law or you know the strings along the web and ask ourselves. Could this be related to the story of the octopus and danny castle leroux or related investigators like gary webb <hes> both of those men by the way who died underwater arguably mysterious circumstances yeah. It really feels like it's connected to all of these things that we've talked about before this concept of the u._s. Military and intelligence agencies at least factions of them working with drug cartels using this money to finance essentially conflict in other countries in south america and other places for coups his moneymaker. You know it's it's crazy. It feels like there's something much much bigger. I mean we kind of get we we get these tiny little windows goes right through all these men stories of the investigators who seem to have found something or have worked in some capacity but ended up losing their lives but it it really does feel like somebody needs to come forward and give a really big picture to what this really looks like. <hes> people have said they were about to and you know we don't know if they all have the same the big picture but one thing's for sure they keep dying before the word gets out yeah. We're i mean you're certainly not trying to do that. The big picture no we do not no intern we do not we are just some guys reading stuff on the internet and watching some movies. That's all acceptable. Paul knows a little more but he's oh no no he's saying he doesn't you'll never never tell so. It's strange because we draw to an unhappy conclusion during the bulk of of berry seals career at the time. Most people in media outlets refuse to acknowledge the c._i._a. As deep involvement in the central and south american drug trade you know the idea that someone was bringing cocaine that would later be made into crack into urban areas in the eighties <hes> the idea that the government would be at all aware arab that was treated as anathema in mainstream media and instead these accusations would be dismissed spiracy theories which is odd god when you think about it because dismissing that stuff is a conspiracy theory meant those same authorities the n._b._c.'s the c._b._s. is and so on were participating in the very conspiracy they purported to investigate and dismissed and even now mentioned this at the top. Some people will argue seal was never involved with the c._i._a. And that's based on entirely on a statement in court and the fact that those statements were considered sworn testimony which is like. They put their hand on a book. They said they would tell the truth and so an air go everything they say after that point must be true broken system so we have a statement from former f._b._i. Agent del hon explaining this. The only federal agency seal ever worked with was the d._a. A seal sworn testimony was that he had no knowledge of ever working for the c._i._a. In debriefings after his plea bargain he never told me or anyone anyone else he was a c._i._a. Asset or had worked for any agency other than the d. R. task force never developed any evidence that the c._i._a. Was involved with zeal in drug-smuggling there is not one iota of credible evidence that seal ever worked for the c._i._a. Or assisted them in any operations in the c._i._a. C._i._a. denied any connection with seal. Oh okay so that solves it. Yeah i mean he's under oath in. I guess we we believe in the c._i._a. Said they didn't do anything we of course they didn't. Why would they do anything so we do have to note that <hes> han does admit at least four c._i._a. Associated pilots also smuggled muggles various things into and out of south america so he knew it happened. He's he's not saying it didn't happen. He's just saying that the cia and seal both denied involvement and they couldn't find anything so he thinks it's not true but enough about agent haunted yeah. What do you think you listening now would a government agency actually cooperate with drug cartel to murder one of their own for believers of certain j._f._k. Conspiracy theories the answer is obvious but we want to hear from you and also what do you guys think. Is this also kind of almost like a false flag attack where it's like not an attack since the war but it's like a subterfuge ray where it's like of of course it was the cartel that killed him. Now all signs point to that you know but it was actually us making it look like those the cartels that killed because that was the easiest thing to you know that was the easiest most those logical explanation. I guess right the whole thing's a proxy war that he's getting involved with whether he knows it or not and he's playing both sides. It's so tough. It's it's so tough. You're asking what we think been so so who let's. Let's just put it. This way is the d._a. Going to send the crap load of c. four in a plane over to assist either side with cuba d._a. Probably not c._i._a. Shrugged i guess i mean shrug for shirt dot gif but i guess what i'm saying. Is this this idea that he wasn't working for them. In some way that would entail him working. I guess for himself. Directly with fidel castro's crew to bring all that it was just like patsy was he just kind of like upon because he got screwed and then kind of had to continue playing both sides for his own well being. I guess you know what i mean. I don't know like he was just it seemed like he was at one point being super clever and then something went wrong and then he kinda didn't have control over his own destiny anymore right right well also former f._b._i. Agent that we talked about earlier haunt said the evidence indicated. If he had not been shot he he already plans to jump jump probation. Leave town living costa rica and start cocaine operations up again the next day. It was leaving the next day interesting so makes you wonder if someone found out about that f._b._i. And put a stop to it <hes> mesh just me talking by the way i'm gonna say personally my opinion in color. I don't influence anybody writing in to us. We do want to hear your takes but my opinion based on the stuff stuff. We've found is that maybe not the c._i._a. Proper but factions within the c._i._a. Or factions within related government agencies absolutely absolutely green lit this death in in the way in such a way that there would be plausible deniability. You know what i mean i would have to i agree with you men because it i mean we've kind of outlined exactly why i mean it doesn't make sense to shoot a guy sitting there where he was as you know in his car where he was if you really wanted to get revenge on him how feels more like shutting him up yet well. How did the how do the cartels do it. Why i i don't know if feels like i'm not saying this told him to do it but at the very least <hes> as we say in the south of the cia and the u._s. government did not hurt their neck looking for the responsible parties and they didn't. They didn't protect an asset that they had in him. They'll sit didn't retaliate tally eight yeah which is weird because we're we're. We're pretty pro retaliation culture here in the u._s. I don't know what you you know i agree with. You guys completely like it's there's just no logical way of explaining this whole thing without there being some some kind of weird double-dealing by our government the biggest question for me. You actually have put this in the end of the outline here ben who the the biggest thing that we kind of glossed over but we've we mentioned for sure his possible involvement with the j._f._k. Assassination yes in what if that's the reason. I don't know you know the plumlee story about the cia attempting to prevent the assassination facination was fascinating to me. I think also at times it's tempting for <hes>. We've talked about this in the past. It's tempting for us to think of these agencies. As monolithic olympic entities they move certainly are not things are very competitive at that level their rivals. I'm sure there's more than a bit of ego involved anyone as corruptible table and people who seem to im- public speaking and so on get get along well. Maybe working back stage for directly. <hes> <hes> directly contradictory forces you know when we just have to mention here that a human being can be convinced fairly easily that that one course of action is not only the best course of action but it is also <hes> either just or it is <hes> you've to how to put this correctly that the doing a is the right thing to do and we have to do a in order to achieve our goals right sure and the greater good argument the greater good argument can be so many different things for one situation <hes> that you could have factions who who are simultaneously within the c._i._a. Attempting to this is just hypothetic sure short factions within the c._i._a. Attempting to assassinate the president while the same time faction the cis attempting to stop the the other part of the c._i._a. From assassinating the president whether they know the other one is do it or not. There are some true blue who idealist or patriots and then i don't know the scary thing about so much congressional testimony especially when you get to <hes> private in in public entities cooperating which is just the drug cartels a business <hes>. It's it's <hes> it's products may differ from halliburton but that that doesn't mean it's all they're not both international businesses and the failure to realize that leads to a great many problems and discourse today if you see those congressional testimonies their chilling because a lot of what people described as the greater good means taking something that will be good for me and making it great other people be damned. There's a ton of narcissism in this kind of stuff and yet it's disgusting reprehensible to see justified justified quote unquote as like oh. We're we're fighting communism. That's why i need a million dollars or whatever and it's just a it's a macro cosmic view you of what happens in a microcosmic way every single day of <hes> of a person's life. I'm not saying that every person listening does that sort of thing. I'm saying that you certainly certainly know someone who has screwed you or people you care about over because they saw a greater good and they thought like no one thinks that the bad guy. It's all for the greater good all the time. The person who steals handicapped parking spaces in the the psychological engine is the same. It's a mimi thing sure <hes> and i guess the scary thing is that you can convince people with the perhaps false motivation there of fighting communism. You can convince people that that is the truth. When you're fighting for and then you can get people to do things for you for our interest for national security. I don't know what what are you folks think. Yes please write to us. 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The O'Reilly Update, May 1, 2020

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The O'Reilly Update, May 1, 2020

"Millo Riley. Here Friday may first two thousand twenty. You are listening to the O'Reilly update. Here's what's happening today in America. The number of confirmed cases of Kobe has passed one million in the USA this week leaving more than sixty thousand. Americans dead in less than two months. That's more fatalities for Americans than in the Vietnam War. A recent study from Governor Cuomo's office in New York shows that nearly a quarter of all city residents possess antibodies related to the contagion meaning about two million New York City. People have likely contracted cove it but they did not have symptoms. And that's frightening also this week. European nations like Austria Germany Italy as well as some states in the union here have announced. Plans to reopen segments of the economy in California governor. Newsom believes it might be possible for students to return to public schools in July Georgia relaxing. Social distancing restrictions. Today permitting hair. Salons bowling alleys gyms even tattoo parlors to begin serving customers Florida allowing residents and tourists to return to beaches. Towns like Jacksonville inviting. Folks is soak up the raise as long as they remained six feet apart that will applies to the sand is well you gotta keep your blanket apart from the other folks. Other states easing restrictions Tennessee Oklahoma South Carolina Mississippi Montana and Colorado in Texas. Shoppers can out purchase items through retail to go a new policy permitting stores to sell items curbside. Some health experts say reopening the American economy too soon will cause a jump in virus infections later in the summer but again that is speculation. Also psychiatrists say Americans are facing a growing health crisis because of all the isolation doctors warn the current lockdown coupled with unemployment financial instability and staying inside can sparked suicide alcoholism other long term problems for millions of Americans. 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Selfish by nature? Two scientific renegades who looked for kindness and paid a price

Science Friction

30:50 min | 8 months ago

Selfish by nature? Two scientific renegades who looked for kindness and paid a price

"This is an ABC podcast. Hey welcome this. asides sides friction on the Tesha Mitchell. You know it's been a modern mantra of sorts that greed is good survival of the fittest even our biology elegy gets cast as selfish as in the selfish gene the ID obeying selfishness and competition Somehow in night in all of us in in all species that it's essential to ask survival into our evolution but you know is it really is selfishness the natural way of things so it's journalists so a cane is joining us on the show this week. hazo welcome Hey Natasha yes. I stumbled across his bizarre story of a man who developed an obsession in with altruism and how it came to exist he even came up with a mathematical equation for love but as we'll hear he ended up paying being the ultimate price. Along the way. We'll meet some pioneering. Scientists have challenged the dogma. That competition is king. The whole Western world took an individualistic swing at about the same time in the twentieth century. Certainly economics think of homework onomic because the the rational actor model the idea that everything selfish at the end of the day and that our task is to interpret varieties of selfishness. Chen says it's nice behaviors didn't exist. You still had individuals helping each other but now the way to understand that was basically it was all being manipulated by selfish genes. It's a very difficult dog but to break because it's logic seems to be pretty strong and yet increasingly we are finding and more and more evidence in nature that that's not the case and that in fact the philosophy of the Celtics gene which seemed to us like like very hard nosed science light the more reflection of the Cultural Moors of the day you know of the logic of markets translated into nature rather than just a naive description of what happens in nature. It's difficult to feel feel comfortable in nature. If that's what you feel is going on all around you if you go outside and go for a walk in the park or go on a hike do you feel like you're in hostile territory or do you feel like you're one nature I started out with the problem the problem of altruism in religion the question gets asked how can a kind God let suffering exist in biology. That question it kind of gets flipped and it becomes how can converse exist and evolve if things must compete eight to survive and this is a problem that plagued Dow when he developed his theory of evolution by natural selection so natural selection was the theory of course it explained how the world came to be boosting with such a diversity of life. It was the idea that specific traits behaviors or characteristics that help a species survive and reproduce in their environment get pasta on to the next generation and traits that denied this mission will get waited out and it seems that selfishness was considered to be one of those traits that looking after your own interests above others was pretty much a winning strategy when it comes to have Aleutian yes but there was a spanner in the works fidel on the existence of kindness and the problem he encountered was that if you imagine a pro social individual who is doing good things for others and then imagine that organisms opposite a selfish individual which is taking social the benefits but not providing them. Well who's most fit who's most fed is selfish individuals professor. Sloan Wilson of the Evolution Institute has spent most of his career investigating the origins of altruism. So if natural selection is all about individuals surviving and reproducing better than other individuals than that seems to provide I had an advantage to selfishness over altruism and Darwin was unable to explain all of the behaviors that in human terms we would associate with morality and good so this was not just a problem. This was a major problem. This problem was still unsolved. When asked story starts it's not in? I'm forty America and a young man. Raised in poverty by his mother during the Great Depression is in search of a big idea. He has a dream to leave his mark on science. George price started his career working as a chemist on the Manhattan project to build an atomic bomb processes as an eccentric a maverick staunch atheist. Were working on the project. He fell in love with Julia. A biologist who is his polar opposite conservative breath and Catholic. They got married and had two children and it looked like things were going well for the family. First daughter. Anna Maria was born in Nineteen nineteen forty eight and then a second one. Kathleen came soon after. That aren't Haman is a historian of science and author of the price of altruism but All was not well with the family and I think there's a quotation in one of the letters where George said to his wife that he would rather the daughters become and prostitutes the nuns which was a reflection of him saying to his wife. You know I've had enough with this religion. The marriage maybe doomed from the start disintegrated degraded price picked up stumps and left the family in nineteen fifty three years later he moved to. New York's East village go to jail with IBM and is doing a lot of drugs in the village. A lot of uppers downers barbituates that you. It's and sort of trying to make a name for himself. He's really unknown. kind of desperate for some kind of great scientific technological breakthrough to make his name and he was kind of maniacal you really want it to make a name for themselves. But he was so strange in offbeat and people didn't quite understand and who he was and what he wanted. George price was primed to grandiose thinking. This tendency was probably not helped when after cancer diagnosis. He have his thyroid. Removed and price wasn't great at taking medication. and which led to a radic moods and bouts of depression he was corresponding with at one point with four Nobel Prize winners our future Nobel Prize winners in different fields in neuro physiology with echoes in genetics with Hermann Muller with Shockley and Bar Dean and and Shannon Information Formation Theory and with the economists Samuelsson each on a different problem in a different field and offering to them. Some kind of magical solution. Shen to a great conundrum in the field but writing sort of you know out of nowhere. They had no idea who this person was during all this time. He's trying to make a made from self but he hasn't seen his daughters in about ten years and as his daughters grew older he started to muse on his Own Childhood during the Great Depression and obsession was growing a scientific obsession with the origins of family and he understood. That had it not been for his mother's grit his own family. No doubt would have disintegrated to and yet now he himself had abandoned his wife and his daughters and he becomes uh-huh obsessed with. Why why? Why is that? What allowed for some families to stick together while others collapsed and so this becomes a preoccupation the and the kind of obsession and he decides to leave everything behind and to get on a boat and to go to England in London he gets to wack back haunting public libraries and giving himself a crash course in evolutionary biology? He writes to his daughter. This is going to be my big paper on the evolutionary origin of humid humid family precisely after having a bad his family himself and his wife and his little little daughters and without a hint or tinge of irony tides off with love off Daddy. George Price Begins Corresponding with well-known biologist. William Hamilton Hamilton was developing an evolutionary theory. About why my family's care for each other and then like a bolt from the blue an idea comes to price in the form of a mathematical equation L. Straits have traits that promote fitness get selected for in evolution occurred across generations including the trait of being kind to one another he's equation it's solved Dow problem so price writes down the equation and he it looks at it and it seems to him something of a miracle to how did this question wack. What tries showed in his equation? was that natural selection could could work at all the different levels of the biological hierarchy simultaneously. It could work at the level of the gene. It could work at the level of the so at the level of the individual and at the level of the group this is what was new the idea that groups like a herd or village not just individuals could be acted on by the forces of evolution before this DA was dismissed by most biologists and what his equation could teach us was at what level of the biological hierarchy is natural selection. Working most strongly at any given time and if it's working most strongly at the level of the group then true selflessness true altruism can evolve what this means is when members of a group lift each other up rather than tear each other down on the whole group can flourish and reproduce and by group we might mean family or tribe or neighborhood donation or even so Poultry Breeder named William viewer wanted to select a better breed of egg-laying had. This is David Sloan Wilson and he did it in two ways in both cases the Hanley groups Actually there were housed in cases and in the first I experiment you selected the most productive head with any cage and in the second experiment. He selected the most productive cages collectively and use those to be the next generation vision of chickens socially by breeding with the most productive individuals. That is the hens that lay the most eggs. He think you'd get more eggs of roll well so this wasn't a case a few select the most productive individual in a group selection because bully and yes that's highly heritable and so after five generations you've read a nation of psychopaths and they're murdering each other plucking each other's feathers that they're not laying eggs. We music second experiment produced quite a different result instead of breeding. I'm from the individuals that live the most eggs. He read from the hens that came from the most productive cages overall in the second experiment by selecting the most productive cages ages. You were selecting the most docile and cooperative hands or did not interfere with each other and these cooperative Hans laid more eggs overall than the psychopathic ethic chickens. Dude price equation described this group dynamic very well so that is so descriptive of what also takes place is in nature and there's many many examples from the business world of people who employ strategies that are good for their own advancement but not for the good of the company under certain very specific conditions. Natural selection could see a group of people acid individual. It could look to natural selection like it's at individual tool because it's so cohesive and so cooperative it's like you know about termites or ants that come together together to create a super organism when that kind of cohesion exists in nature that a group can be almost like an individual and in that sense. The individuals within the group turned into sort of cells within the body they each have function which serves the higher good and the higher higher good is a more cooperative happier healthier population back in nineteen sixty. Ah George Price New Hughes onto something big aren Haman and so he walks off the street into the biostatistics department at University College London and he introduces himself by David George Price and have a look at this equation and off the the street. You know a complete unknown and within the hour he is given keys to his own office and visiting professorship at what was at that time one of the great centers in the world for the Study of population dynamics and it seems quite unlikely to that of all the great minds ever since Darwin Darwin. It should be him little george price who isn't even trained in the field to have cracked this very stubborn problem of where altruism comes from. But almost as quickly things started to unravel FA- George price really unraveled. And so he begins thinking about it as a kind of coincidence. It's and begins contemplating other coincidences. That had happened to him during his life. Type very strange things like he'd have girlfriends. Whose name was the last four digits? It's of his phone number work. Two three nine two hip. Bet that signified like a minute before midnight. It should be of two three five nine but it doesn't matter he was. You know who's a little bit manic and he multiplied all these coincidences and reached an astronomical number one over ten to the thirtieth miniscule tiny little chance that all all of these things should have happened to him by chance and so he read out of his apartment down little Littlefield road and into all souls Atlantic it to the Evangelical Church and fell on his knees at literally on the spot became a Christian. Having come come to the realization that God must have chosen him to tell some great truth to your vanity and that was where does skype is comfortable and there we will leave George price for a moment. It's nineteen seventy. He's on his knees before Lacrosse in a state of rapture before his world truly crumble. I don't know what to make of George Prices Story at this point Zoe. He's wild yeah it really is but now I want you to make another scientist and this scientist lack price. She believes that kindness and Lavin Alvin collaboration there really worthy of study in evolutionary biology. Like I say we're fast forwarding from the nineteen seventies. Now it's nineteen ninety-seven and professor sir. John Rough Garden is an accomplished. Biology professor at Stanford University join is in a fifties. And she's about to transition as a transgender woman and she's just arrived. I ever pride much different. Cisco these are really huge productions thing quite the mark it was obvious that there is a huge amount of diversity in gender expression and sexuality that was really being exhibited and at at the time. I don't think I even knew any gay. People at Stanford Gay folks were not well represented among the faculty and on the campus. Generally and a a curriculum didn't mention the existence of species in which there was natural same sex sexuality being expressed And not only that same sex sexuality was seen as bizarre anomaly by scientists ultimately it didn't produce babies so what. What was the point of it but going to the pride March got join rough garden thinking why was science so silent on the group of People Shay was marching with? When she started to dig she meant interesting discovery about the frequency of same sex sexual behavior in nature? It became clear that even in the primary literature there was a huge number serve cases that have been documented but just not reported the real tip off that something fishy was going on with biological study of gender sexual ahead to do with the pejorative descriptions that the biologists were using for the very phenomenon. They were observing. They were embarrassed almost to be writing about same mm sexuality in the very species they were describing. It says there was a stigma and they were afraid of catching the stigma. Professor Rough Garden thought. She'd find enough to publish published a pamphlet on animal. Same sexually in fact. She had a book's worth in two thousand and four she published evolution's Rainbow Diversity the gender and sexuality in nature and people. The book issued a challenge to her profession over what she saw as narrow minded lens among mammals. Who certainly we get a lot of same sex sexuality? There's no doubt about that and this multiple times. There's like a real social role for same sex sexuality and among in primates specifically its most developed in the primate groups with the most complex social systems. Can you tell me a little bit about that. How how that plays out and what scientic sexuality looks like and what role it might play? So it's it's quite variable. I personally photographed elephants male elephants meeting. They can find lots of pictures of the charismatic vertebrates so Pionts Tigers Giraffes this impression. Sometimes the same sex sexuality involve also a power dynamic that it's like a rape or something but it definitely isn't. It's a bonding kind of behavior. Is these two lions. Is it by Golly nozzles up next to the other and one lies down and then the other amounts and then they get up and they stay together and they're really good. Buddies Professor Rough Garden found many examples of same sex sexuality in spacey's from those male lions ends that mount each other and cut Lofta to oyster catchers shore birds who often live in Malaysia. TWAT research shows that if the threesome All have sex with each other. They're more successful at raising the chicks as a tame then if they only have heterosexual couplings within the trio and and then the other Bernarda is. You've probably heard of our hyper sexual primate cousins. Hey just love to get it on and those all the animals participate in and same sex sexuality. They're having sex all the time. It's quite remarkable and they all have a rather low level of aggression as a result so they very amusing write ups about the Novas and sex says a social mediating device but turning a a blind eye to same sex sexuality in nature join rough guns since that evolutionary biologists might be missing a trick running right off the bat. It was clear that there's a lot of these behaviors were reducing competition same sex sexuality a reduces it it's a way of building friendships way building bonds and the the fundamental challenge to same sex sexuality. It's not so much that they do it but why they do it. Why why are they not competing? Why are they not fighting with each other? Why are they building friendships? So why aren't they being selfish to heart back to the selfish gene here. We have animals definitely being friends definitely working together so the sexuality and also the gender expressions all involve of contexts in which there's cooperation taking place rather than competition and it's like their vehicles to facilitate and realize cooperation Russian in John's mind competition plays a role but signs was blind to another fundamental fuel of evolution so excited what biologists just on the notion. That competition was an evolutionary driver of success. They were a blind to collaboration. And it didn't help one of the most expensive expensive. Examples of collaboration might them blush same sex sexuality professor are in Hamad from bar. Ilan University sites science that we think of as a kind of very objective description of reality something that's driven by logic and observation and not tainted by politics or by ideology time and time again when you look at the history of science you see that that's not actually the case you ever. Since that very famous popular science book the selfish gene a kind of way of looking at nature has really captured the field in evolutionary theory. And and it really. Is this notion of stark individualism. We can explain every behavior that we encounter in nature by looking at the logic. Chick of selfishness aren't Haman describes. Join as a maverick. And he believes her work is expanding on the legacy of George Price. Who Story Story? We started earlier and I worry we haven't forgotten about price. He's still on his knees in front of that Chris fix the price equation. Showed that and we did it. We need to think about jeeves. Entirely selfish terms could be also cooperative. Jeans what Joan is doing is really expanding that in a way away trying to break through from this very dominant philosophy and to show that there might be other logics in the history of the evolution of life life on our planet logics. That are much more cooperative that have to do with helping one another with up to do with the dynamics of cohesion within a group I think the Joan you know is a maverick. She's a radical you know and she's the Mavericks is kind of in a way that is reminiscent of George. He was really an individual and knowing Joan so you sort of get the same feeling you know. She's she's her own person and she will go with her truth until the end. Notwithstanding was standing and in fact she has been attacked for many of our ideas but that doesn't matter to her because she sees a path she sees a truth and she goes after it but doing this work comes at a cost join was considered outside of the mainstream and as George. Let's return to him. I'm in one thousand nine hundred seventy. He's come up with his magnum opus. A mathematical equation that describes how traits like altruism evolve and promote the survival of groups. But not all is rosy altruism exists in the world. Yes George comes to understand. It's not driven purely by good comes to the conclusion that altruism must always be a form of selfishness because if it evolved then it evolved because it was adaptive for those who held it for those organisms who held it and therefore if it was adaptive live what that means is that it helped their fitness and therefore was selfish rather than selfless so altruistic behavior may look like it's the form of kindness but actually that saying that terrible saying scratching out to us and watch an egoistic bleed that seem to price an inescapable conclusion from the mathematics if altruism had evolved to promote survival then it must ultimately exist for selfish reasons to promote the transmission of our own genes anes into the next generation. Even when we were doing good things for people we weren't genetically related to altruism was motivated. Did selfish reasons. This profoundly depressed George Price but John Rough Garden Professor America at Stanford University doesn't integrate with Georgia's pessimism altruism can still be valuable and pure you can increase your frequency and then jean-paul through altruistic behavior fever that doesn't mean it's selfish because it was manifestly altruistic at the behavioral level. You actually did help somebody at some cost to yourself that is altruism. It doesn't it doesn't matter if there's a genetic benefit to that because Jane itself can't be consciously selfish so if it's manifesting its sense of altruism altruism remains untouched. Yeah you're still is operatives because we classify altruism based on the behavior not based on its impact to the gene pool but sadly it was all still downhill for George Price Altruism was not all well he thought it was cracked up to be. This is terrible realization for George Price. Because he's just come Christian Evangelical Christian and Christianity Hannity to him is all about love and giving and yet his science his own signs his own. Mathematics is telling him that there is no such thing as pure giving as pure or altruism and pure love and so he decides that through his own behavior he will prove that the human spirit can transcend is owned own miraculous mathematics can transcend the dictates of evolution and of nature and prove that there is in fact a genuine kindness and altruism out there and and so he goes out to the streets of London and begins helping all the DACA bonds and down and outs and homeless people that he encounters I buy. Just go buying them sandwich or giving them a tattoo and then increasingly in a more involved way by helping them in the court of law and in their scuffles with the police and he the rights to John Smith at one point down to my last fifteen p. and I can't wait to get rid of them because this was proof to him that Ubad spirit could in fact back tread said evolution. Finally he gives away everything and falls into the streets of London himself. Becoming a homeless person and living rough on the benches of the various parks sometimes taking shelter in the train station at night and all the while. He's working on his mathematical equations. His paper appears in the pages of nature which which is incredible even while he's homeless he's still doing a science but the psychological comment that has been shadowing him for years. Is it begins to take hold and George Price takes is on life at his funeral. Some weeks later they're about ten people. Two two of whom Bill Hamilton and John Maynard Smith are the great evolutionist of their age and the rest are homeless. People whom George had befriended on the streets of London London and upon whom he had descended as a kind of angel to help them. These were the handful of people who took George to his grave on a cold January morning in nineteen seventy five. What Stories Zoe? He paid the ultimate price. Didn't he his passion. Yeah he he really did and demand for that. Competition is king. It still lives on to this day. I'll say it does lives La. Ah lived on this hi four note. He though because David Sloan Wilson doing some interesting work yet he really is. He's taking notions from evolutionary biology and applying them to schools to neighborhoods to communities to try and develop communities that promote compassion altruism and kindness over competition last week. We go to David to reply. Evolutionary theory to our current aren't lives And all of the fast pace changes taking place around us in other words cultural evolution. That's something that's very new and we're only just coming to appreciate with. Darwin always suspected Darwin didn't know but he his intuition told him this theory would explain the length breadth of humanity. I often say imagine that you're a nice person who really nice but unluckily for you. You're surrounded by not so nice people so what can you do. You have four options. You can leave. Maybe you can try to convert vert those people around you turn them Nice. You could do that. You could defensively turn off your niceness or you remain nice and suffer the consequences those for options and who would counsel a person remained nice under those circumstances. But you need to do is you need. To of course create social environments that rewards awards niceness. And if you do that then you can get people to become more pro social. You don't even have to teach them. They perceive their environment and they basically they open up like personnel. Coming out of its shell very interesting. Practical work thank you so much for joining us on the show this week Zoey. Thanks for having me. It's been a blast and Zoe. Is Darren Osborne Regional Science ons. Get it this year. You can talk to me on twitter at Natasha. Mitchell and you can catch me on at Zoe UNDIS- cocaine at Cayenne. Catchy next week by you've been listening to an A._B._C.. podcast discover more great A._B._C.. podcasts live radio and exclusives on the A._B._C. Listen Up.

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Ep 477 | Bernie Wins BIG in NV, Follows It Up by Praising Fidel Castro

The News & Why It Matters

44:18 min | 5 months ago

Ep 477 | Bernie Wins BIG in NV, Follows It Up by Praising Fidel Castro

"Today on the news and why it matters right after his big Nevada Win Bernie Sanders doubles down on his compliments to Fidel Castro. Got A lot to get into their also. The Corona Virus Hits Italy. What that might mean for everyone. Do not change the channel. It starts right now. Welcome to the news and why it matters. I am Sarah Gonzales today. Thankfully joined by the one and only Glenn Beck because we have got a bunch of Glenn Beck esque topics so happy that you're here also Jason Howard Tan Social Media Guru of Blaze Media Jason Howard Tan and good friend old friend of the blaze media. Nick Pets. You've not been here in forever. It feels good the keys still working. So yeah I know it's going to be doing good so far all right a lot to get into. I WanNa talk about Bernie Sanders. He of course one in Nevada no surprise there in the Nevada Democratic Primary Caucus He tweeted out after after he went. He said we just one Nevada caucus this grassroots. Movement is unstoppable together. Let's win the Democratic nomination defeat trump and transform the country I think he means that when he says transform that's not just hyperbolic. I'm pretty sure he really doesn't mean transform. The country One I'm talking about that but I also WanNa get to get your thoughts on Bernie Sanders defending his nineteen eighty comments praising Fidel Castro. He was on sixty minutes interview. That aired over the weekend They showed him some of his his comments praising Castro and he didn't say he was sorry at all in fact he kind of double down on it watch. Jury is explaining why the Cuban people didn't rise up and help the US. Overthrow Cuban leader. Fidel Castro educated gave the healthcare trump transform society with very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba. But you know it's unfair to simply say everything is bad. I'm Fidel Castro. Came into office. You know what he did. He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing. Even though Fidel Castro did a lot of dissidents imprisoned in. That's right and we condemn that Donald Trump. Let's be clear. I do not think that Kim. Jong own is a good friend. I don't trade love letters with a murdering dictator Vladimir Putin not a great friend of Mine Glenn Hitler did kill millions of Jews but audubon Volkswagen. Thank you swag in is a great car and the Audubon is the world's first highway his youth program that's program it was great until it got a little dicey but that's insanity that's insanity and I would ask Bernie Sanders. I wish Anderson's follow up. Question was well. That's great you. You will point out the good things of a murderous dictator and you don't want to say everything sped tell me some great things about America and Donald Trump and and you do that because all I hear from the left is how bad America always is and how. Donald trump is the worst Well give them the McDonald's French fry test. I understand if you say. Mcdonald's Food Sucks. Great got it. I don't agree with you but I understand but if you can't tell me that at least their French fries are great. You have no credibility so Bernie tell me what Donald Trump's McDonald's French fry is. Can you do that? No the guy is is not a socialist not a democratic socialist. The guy is a communist and that just should be understood and I can back that up. But I'll do that in a minute after everybody else has don't WanNa and yet Jason. He still one Nevada. Yes he did and I think the the Lens I'm looking at this through now it's like I if he wins the primary and he's the nominee. I try and I don't want to you know pull Democrats what they do with Donald Trump but I think trump will roll him. I think that would energize the Republican base the fear of socialism coming to America. Unlike anything else I think he would destroy burning but it says more to me on thinking about my two. We're talking about kids to kids how we've already come so far. In such a short period of time that little socialist might be the Democratic nominee and remember Barry Goldwater was the radical of the right in sixty eight lost was buried. But he gave birth to the Reagan era What is he giving birth to with our kids? I think it's important to be able to understand. There's WE WANNA point to the the socialist kind of the economics behind the sixty trillion dollars. He's proposing relative programs but I think it's just as important versus the revolutionary component of that socialism ethic as well that he is tapping into an unrest and distrust within American society with the anti-establishment bent to a very radical degree. That I would argue is extremely dangerous. It only happens that can only happen when the elites have screwed up for so long that you create this perfect storm and somebody like a Bernie comes to fill it and you've got a bunch of angry radicals who then start this kind of a movement and now it's I feel like it feels to me like it's getting away from the country a little bit. I think you have to look into what the chicken and the egg is an. I said a minute ago I can prove I invite you to read the Salon article on why Bernie. Sanders will do so well and why? He's the beginning of the real socialist movement. It is a manifesto. Unlike I've ever read I mean I couldn't believe ten years ago I would have thought it's a parody. They are so clear about what this means for the Socialist Movement. They're cheering it on. They are talking about the absolute total destruction of the capitalist system. They're talking about confiscation of wealth and companies. How they need to block these companies from taking their money out the closer we get to this election because companies will freak out because of a socialist. So how are they going to do with the power they do have now? How can they block that money from leaving and and Hobble? The capitalists it is it speaks of revolution but hopefully not a bloody revolution. It doesn't mean revolution is always bloody and this is the mentality on Wednesday. I'm GONNA show you the people all around the design Bernie Sanders campaign and are designing his policies on Wednesday night special. It's terrifying. America has to understand. We are not dealing with a Scandinavian. We're dealing with a Soviet. So how is it and maybe you explain this in your special but I'm just having trouble grasping what the disconnect is between how good it is right now right like you're saying he's tapping into this unrest. Depends on who you're talking. Anyone in America is so much better off than yes maybe financially better off but mentally you got to remember. Why did why did The news come out about Donald Trump. He's the the Russians are in the bag firm again. You know that the national security advisor said I don't have any of that and that came from Adam Shifts secret committee and read that article and while they don't connect them. They say we have to make sure that people understand that you can't trust the voting system. This is chicken and egg. They are creating and laying the foundation and for half of the country. They've been laying it for one hundred years. But in the last fifteen they've been laying brick by brick and people are seeing the world different way. How subversive Oh so the way that this had like it. I'm pretty young. I'm thirty two my birthday. Actually pay so thirty two but over the last decade. I've seen this subversive just piece by piece march to where we are now. Sixteen at the time. I remember watching you on Fox and at the time being like I don't know if that's really what's happening like there's a lot of steps to get to and then here. I am at thirty two and again we're talking about the makings of a revolution a Socialist Revolution in America. So I'm like I may miss the boat. A little rusty without has done some great work with this book. a decadent society. We're continually cutting off ties from the past and there's a bleak hopelessness that when we look into the future. We see the depths of despair. That's on the uptake. Right now. The suicide rate. That's on uptick. Opioid epidemic Overdoses is downtick this past year but over the past year stretch has continued to skyrocket. We see consumer debt at all time highs savings at. Lowe's right now and so. We're seeing this it. We from a thirty thousand perspective. It kind of looks good but when we look at the microbe pieces of this and the data points. Things aren't doing as well as they should be doing right now and in turn individuals are looking who to blame. And what Bernie. I believe is done brilliantly but I think destructively is these pointed to the other person and the institutions which is just fomented this unrest within the American side which I think will have detrimental results. The thing that strikes me out Bernie. That's his whole message. It's always pointing at somebody like you when you ask them like a straight up question. It's then it's been company. It's this it's all that and it works it's effective and it's obviously. I went to Israel and I went if you've ever in the Old City the Palestinians section and the Israeli section is just an archway. It's all of a sudden one side of the archway here in the Palestinians section. Other side of the archway. You're in Israel air in the Jewish quarter and I remember walking through and no idea what does is off the plane for maybe four hours and I'm walking and I'm walking with a guide and I said and I walked through and it was dingy dark and dirty and clean and bright and white and it was an archway that was the difference and I walked through and I stopped and I looked back and I looked at the guy that was with me and I said what just happened. What what is? Why is this so different? He said that's Palestinian section. This is the Israeli section and all of a sudden dawned on me. It's it's like our inner cities and our suburbs except it's only two feet apart and the difference. Is that stark two feet apart and the difference is one set of politicians are saying. You can't do it because of them and the other is like pay no attention to anybody. Just do it. That's the difference and that's what we have going on in our country right now. It's either you hell. No I did build this and I'm going to build something even greater tomorrow or get them. That's our choice Up Next Michael Bloomberg apparently has released the three women from their nondisclosure agreements. What that might mean for the two thousand Twenty Election But I black rifle. Coffee Company is a veteran owned and operated premium. Small batch rose to order Coffee Company for people who love America also people like Jayson. Who HAVE A newborn? It's so good. I have a four bag subscription. Know why you're living to eight point. Come in handy if you have a new board and you're not sleeping but The the key here is that they roast their copies for you after you place your order so you really are getting the freshest coffee available. They've got a ton of different blends that you can choose from Jason. What's your favorite murdered out? Oh I haven't tried that one. Who would have you tried to blend? 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Warren ticket beating trump pence forty eight percent to forty five percent Zoghbi said in his survey analysis. He said make no mistake. This is a close race but the senators from neighboring New England states are able to pull ahead of trump and pence by winning with their base and Swing Voters Sanders and Warren could win the popular vote. But trump and pence still have the advantage of the coalition of working class and blue collar voters. And you know it could have the same outcome of twenty sixteen where Trump and pence just win the electoral college and not the popular vote. Glenn should how much stock should we even be putting in these polls considering all the polls told us in two thousand sixteen that Hillary Clinton was going to win. And here we are. I don't know but stock is a good word to use because if it looks at all like that you will you will start between corona virus and Bernie Sanders being the nominee. And if it looks seriously like he has a chance we will go into a depression By the first quarter of next year you will see money taking flight out of this country like there's no tomorrow because people will believe in America used to be a stable place to do business with a socialist slash communist at Board. Who WANTS TO END? It wants to end capitalism. That money will take take my into the mind of somebody. Like Bernie Sanders. Who is a revolutionary? Is that a good thing. Yeah because does that. 'cause it yeah you look to George George. Bush was running the first bear stearns. Nobody listened to the bear stearns point. They freaked out and then they all went on the business bear stearns collapses in July. It wasn't until September October that we actually have the real collapse the financial collapse of two thousand eight John McCain as soon as that things started to become week John McCain didn't have a chance because that's George Bush's economy in this could happen. You could have a collapse in October. And they will win. And especially if he's not paying attention to corona virus and. We're not doing the things we have to do. For Corona Virus China is headed towards possibly Depression but certainly a recession. That's twenty percent of the GDP of the world and and consider one. You've got the tariff situation that's trickling that still continues out. So what President Obama's auto bailout is Pales in comparison to President. Trump's farm belt that's happened right now is twice as large as the auto bailout. So that's important to remember because that's going to hit the heartland states which again goes back to national polling. It's great to get a good temperature of the company but at the end of the day it's still stay winning state elections that send those delegates up so it's still a states game. The second thing I need the best thing is you have to remember. Is that the economy's trump's best but for right now and if it goes south than just watch the the snowball begin to take attack because in reality the markets are going to begin to adjust for that. They're going to begin to adjust the polling start swinging at the very end for potential President Sanders. Which in turn will continue to create a bigger snowball effect come November so. It'll it'll be interesting I. I'm still not putting a lot of weight on on some of these early polling but it does reveal the temperature of Americans significantly around the idea of changing if things stay stable economically and healthwise. I think we're going to be fine. Donald trump should crush And I don't think that's Hubris. It may be old. Think it may be that I'm in my fifties and I just view the world differently than you know the twentysomethings do. This is the closest anyone's been to a real true Soviet style revolution And that is going to have big money from all over the world all the Socialists from everywhere will be actively doing whatever they can to To support that. I'm hoping that nothing happens. But that requires a stable world and we are not living in one right now and nobody's game. I WANNA get into the corona virus here in a few minutes. But you know. We're touching on the Koran virus. And how it could affect the American economy. Do you see the average voter. Still I mean to not vote for Donald Trump. If the krone virus takes you know makes the economy take a hit? That would kind of be like blaming. That's blaming Donald trump right for so. Here's a health issue L. Here's the problem right now. China doesn't know what they are going to do to keep themselves afloat because all of these loans are going back and it's nobody's fault it's it's say shot down there three weeks away. Twenty six percent three weeks away from having no cash in the next three weeks twenty. Six percent of the businesses gone eighty in the next three months. If it doesn't turn around what are they going to do? Our big banks are now helping the Chinese bank. Bail them out because we know if they fall apart the world falls apart. So what's going to happen? Is You get to a place. If indeed corona virus hits Europe hard and hits the Middle East hard And starts to come over here. You're going to have people that are looking at. They don't know what the future is going to hold unless Donald trump becomes FDR. Which I think he'd be willing to do and would comes up with all kinds of new programs. A socialist who is promising free healthcare free college education guaranteed jobs at a time when the world is terrified. That's hard to be and this interconnected world you've already got see. The current viruses already affecting American industry. Look at one. The cruise cruise ships right now are experiencing significant. I think airlines are expected. Hit anywhere from twenty nine to thirty nine billion dollars this year alone because of their industry It's already taking a significant. Even to the extent that wedding dresses. I read earlier today. There's a shortage there's going to be proposed shortage in wedding dresses because so many are being made in China materials. Nobody cares but the the market China is almost everybody's biggest market down. So Ralph Lauren. Who's rough learns had stores forever and there's nobody more stable twenty. Six percent of all of his earnings are coming out of China and almost all of his clothing is so every store he has in China is now closed and has been closed for almost two months. What's that GonNa do to his bottom line and you're trying to get them here? He can't get them here. So what is that going to mean for? Just that's one brand in America. That's GonNa happen all over really. Don't think about the danger like that. You think positive of the global economy never really stopped and thought about how dangerous think to local exactly so it is the clothing. Guess but let's let's raise the stakes a little bit and let's think about say axios just came out with reports that indicates that over one hundred and fifty medications are going to be affected because of what's happening right now with the corona virus is going to be a reapportion inning of what's resources need to go where or what resources can't come over here due to just just the tainted nature of what's happening over in China so it will affect close. Yes but something much more significantly. It'll be the medication. It's affecting everything last week told you that. In India. The price of aspirin was up four times four times in a month. Okay that's just aspirin. They get eighty percent of all of their raw materials to make their drugs from China. Will we do too? But what's worse is ninety nine point. Seven percent of our antibiotics are made in China. We don't even get the raw materials and make them here. We don't make them so when you have a society the only the only business that has been told by the government. You're not allowed to shut down. Is the medical industry in China. So you've got people that are being forced to go to work. They don't do that with the other industries because if the other industries if they go to work they'll spread it more in a L- last longer. These guys are all forced to go to work to make the world's drugs. That's that's a nightmare waiting to happen and it's already here. People are looking for someone to blame. And who are It's Kinda like NFL quarterback NFL quarterback get way too much criticism when things go wrong and they get way too much praise when things go right. I think the same can be applied in twenty twenty four presidents. They way too much praise when things are going the right way too much criticism when things are going wrong the right now with the Corona Virus. I would dare say November. Twenty twenty happens in Corona virus is still not under control coming your way too much criticism for sending outside that it is the president right now. Needs to be just as for fifty billion dollars Blah Blah Blah. Whatever he needs to take the the leadership in our country and be telling people right now. This is what this could possibly mean. That's why I asked for fifty billion dollars because and he should be concentrating on the economy and the corona virus because they go hand in hand right now. I want to hear your analysis on the NFL quarterback situation. I don't order com but I it is really shocking That your home can be stolen this easily. This is a brutal lesson that Debra learned when themes found her homes title online forged. It literally took ownership of her home And I do mean like they legally owned Deborah's home. All they had to do was go online. Where home titles are stored and hack in which Glenn had have you had an FBI agent? Come and show you. He actually just actually took home. Had My title the transfer already to go. All he had to do was just turn it in and he would have owned my house and Deborah. This woman you're talking about. I think this happened in Portland She didn't just they didn't just say. Hey there's a mix up on your house. The SWAT team came because she was considered a squatter because she was trying to work it out going. No I owned my house. I always though in my house. Well the title doesn't say this. They actually sent the SWAT team. It took her. I don't know if she's ever fully recovered financially from this hit and it is taken her years just to feel safe in your own home again the FBI actually calls this actually one of the fastest growing crimes in the country. 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But we don't want to test that well we want to He. He doesn't want to test that theory He of course. It has a network of an estimated sixty four billion. He spending a ton on ads. If you're watching on Youtube we apologize. If you did see a Bloomberg ad before you clicked on the show I hear it all the time. We don't control it. Sorry but Michael Bloomberg. Who of course was hit by a hit from Elizabeth Warren talking about the DA's that he had certain females sign at his company? He actually said that he is releasing three women from their gag orders following Elizabeth Warren's criticisms she said if any of them want to be released from their NDA so that they can talk about those allegations. They should contact the company and they will be given a release. I've done a lot of reflecting on this issue over the past few days. I've decided that for as long as I'm running the company we won't offer confidentiality agreements to resolve claims of sexual harassment or misconduct. Going forward weren't obviously was not happy without response. Because nothing's ever going to be good enough I think But is I mean does Michael Bloomberg. Who does anyone have a chance at this point? Does anyone else have a chance? This is going to do anything for Michael. Bloomberg does anxious to see you know Super Tuesday. You have a chance to vote for him. See what actually happens He's got enough money just to make it miserable But I I will tell you if Bloomberg starts to come up or there's a challenge to Bernie Sanders at all kiss Milwaukee goodbye buying. They will burn it to the ground and he'll believe that after you watch Wednesday you will. You'll know it to be true because they're already saying it. Well yeah I mean there's a Bernie Sanders staffer who to my knowledge. I don't think he's got an hour's worth of them. Don't Oh good. That's not terrifying. I mean the they're not. This is the closest revolutionaries have ever gotten remember. This is just. This is like the coming insurrection. In France of a book where it outlined all of this and I remember in two thousand eight I read that and I was like watch for these seeds here because the progressive said they were all communists. They're all communist or fascist they believed in autocratic rule. It was before the Soviet Union before Hitler. So they all believe in that but they didn't believe in a bloody revolution that won't work in America. What they didn't Russia won't work here. Okay so they go with these progressives for all of these years and they keep promising promising promising promising promising nothing now the Marxists have their opportunity. It's this guy and if any of them especially their own quote unquote side. That's been lying to them the whole time if they stand in the way it's it's one thousand nine hundred sixty eight seven gloated enough that again. I don't know why I keep getting flashbacks at Fox. But I remember being in college and listening that the day's GonNa come when they're no longer afraid to call themselves socialists. Like I feel like you haven't quite danced enough because I mean all right Dan Fuzzy but I feel like we gloss over that like there are people in the mainstream who are proud to call them. I mean they put democratic behind it to make it feel better but it's read the salon article read the Salon Article. They've gone past that they're not. They're not just finding their socialist there. Now find saying and we're going to end capitalism. We are going to chase the capitalist out. We're going to block them. We're GONNA fight them every way we possibly can. This is over. I mean they're gone beyond all with good speed and so America but I'll kind of read it in the beginning because I really do believe it's true. There is the piece that the sixty trillion dollar economic just just revolution that he's proposing but I still think there's sixty trillion because he couldn't even there were a couple of other estimates. I read from individuals. But then there's also the piece that. I think that is an extremely important for us to understand than in a world in a country in the Democratic Republic experiment in a country which there's a loneliness epidemic setting in right now twenty five years ago the average American had three point seven friends. That numbers dropped one point seven today. The cygnus survey that just came out that indicates that three and five Americans are feeling lonely. A Harvard Medical School Study indicated. That loneliness is like smoking fifteen cigarettes a day. What Bernie Sanders has been to do? Is He's been able to tap into those individuals that feeling that loneliness that's feeling that distrust. And he's giving them a reason to hope but for the rest of us it's not necessarily a positive beneficial recent. So you see the slogan that Bernie has plays into what you're saying the slogan that Bernie had at the end of that But it is saying no no no on that you just played. The last thing said not me period us Plays right into? It's it's us. We're all in this together. We're sitting behind. Tv screens were sitting behind. Computers were largely disconnected from those individuals. And what Bernie has been able to do so effectively. A certain degree in two thousand sixteen to a greater degree in twenty twenty is tap into that unrest and now in turn. We're starting to see something that we never would have thought. That's what I think made Nevada so significant right. Now the pieces were Bernie was Was was week would have been. Latinos would have been the labor unions. That were happening specifically in Nevada with that Culinary Union. Those those weaknesses were just strengthened over the time. And it's it's interesting how we're continuing to move towards South Carolina on Saturday Super Tuesday after that. It's going to be interesting faith in America reject done just I in South Carolina. What do you think's GonNa Happen? I still think Biden you're going to get From a think in September he was twenty and now he's up by. Maybe I think I think reports indicate that representative. Clyburn is going to come out and he's going to endorse them on Wednesday. I think if that's GonNa give him the bump that needs to be e with victory on Saturday. If he gets the Clyburn endorsement that he wins. I think sanders is number two. I think Sanders visit close number two. It doesn't matter and this and one of the like you. So what is it a mayor Bloomberg spent upwards of four hundred million dollars. Thus far he's going to spend one to two billion dollars on this. We saw what president trump was able to do in two thousand sixteen with his targeted ads. Online and Bloomberg has been employing some of the most brilliant minds in the digital space right now to be able to leverage that influence. I will I will. I think it's I think it's going to be interesting to say the very least over the coming. Some brilliant ploy by by Democrats to make a so scared that we're about to have socialist that they swoop in and it's somebody like Bloomberg or at least it's not lost the second amendment. Exactly what has been interesting to see how the establishment Democrats have really begin to grow increasingly uncomfortable with the prospect of Cinder Sanders the Socialist Democrat. That's going to be leading them into the twenty twenty electioneer doesn't feel it doesn't feel right back in a minute. Usa Do you think it feels like anybody's freaking out about Bernie Sanders? Except I think this Haney a Former Department of Homeland Security official during the Obama Administration. Who blew the whistle on his own agency was found dead? Friday with a gunshot wound About forty miles east of Sacramento California. Now Glenn Wanted to bring this up while we have you today because you knew Filippini. Philip was a A very deep source of mine for over ten years I met him I didn't actually meet him first year or so. I didn't want to know anything about him because I didn't want to put him in danger by knowing anything. I had a go between so they would talk to him. They'd ask questions danger. No no no. I didn't put because he was being looked for by the Obama Administration hard And and there were some very tense times When he was how long ago with US started two thousand probably nine n Brave individual the first time. I met him actually. I met him without knowing I met him once There would he told me who he was I just thought he was guy who helped start. Dhs which online And And then I met him here about twenty sixteen or so He was one of the most patriotic men. I've ever met And decent honorable deeply spiritual he said in my office and talked and cried about how would a deep responsibility and what an honor it was to be born at this time where he was in the position that he was in and the country was in the shape that it was in that he could actually help and I mean he was on a mission. I think he felt from God and I think he might have been and valiant exact really really super exact on things and decent God fearing he could quote the founders back and forth and when I would see him you know it would hug him And either the beginning or the end I would walk up to. I'd say to him and I found him on the chest right here because he wore a thumb drive around his neck. I knew the I knew. Some of the The topics of the contents on that thumb drive but he held it there because he felt he was in danger and that was everything that he had that he had taken And I didn't seen if they had a thumb drive around his neck after his suicide this weekend but from what I know the Phil Haney that I knew for ten years that is the last man I would have said would commit suicide. He was about to get married. Used in the middle of writing a new book. All of his friends say he was happy. Go lucky he felt like he was doing something important. I don't personally by it and then new book while the new book was a follow up from the previous book and it was supposed to expose new information the influence that I knew that he told me he had on that thumb. Drive was game changing. I don't want to yeah game. Changing Jason hasn't been formally rule the suicide or is the last night last night was formerly ruled a suicide. Now Yeah right he would. He left his car. He was outside has car right and it was a gunshot wound to the chest on a highway on the highway where he just decided to pull over on the side of the highway in California. Shoot himself and shoot him. Say Like that. Not In the car okay. Don't buy it. It's a tough one. I didn't know the guy obviously so I can't correct an inside on that but anytime you have a guy like that involved in the stuff that he's involved with and then you hear these pieces that don't seem like they all add up. It's tough and it's hard to You know it's so many things we never know right like we never get the answers in this to me. Feels like it's going to be one of those things that everybody's always gonNA wonder. No you know what nobody's gonNA wonder except a very few handful of people who either knew him or watch or listen to conservatives the press. They're barely reporting on this barely twitter bird. They've they've talk all about whistle blower that we all know right. This guy was in danger for the lab as ever since I knew him for ten years. This guy had been hunted by the government. He was a whistle. Blower was a whistle blower. I want to respect your memory of your friend. Obviously but it's possible. He could've committed suicide really. It's not outside of look the same circumstance. Say Colonel Vin manner. Whoever wherever the whistle blower is I don't sorry. Oh you mean Eric Talk. If the same thing were to happen to him tomorrow too much forbid. Can you imagine? Can you imagine that story would not die in? It shouldn't die if that happens to a whistle blower who is involved in like we all want to be hundred percent Shirley. It's my understanding that he was working on a story That someone else that I know is working on right now and Somebody who has done a lot of stuff for us in the past and has In the last let's say six or seven weeks has called several times just almost out of breath. Breathe in a bag. I'm telling you they're GONNA they're gonNA kill me. I'm telling you I'm getting death threats. And they are. He is getting death threats. And the people that we're dealing with now. We've entered a new era in America. We are becoming a Putin Putin esque style society where this stuff is real. It's real and I'm the hardest goes out I want. I can't imagine what his fiancee is going through right now. The idea of being able to walk down island see him in a month and now she will no longer get to see him again. My heart goes out for her but then just for for the type of person. That's what you describe him to be As a millennial sometimes I think we're characterized by individuals that want to fight for the rights but they never went to ask what is their duty to their country and it seems like this is an individual that epitomized all that was good with our country and it was willing not only to ask the question but to be able to fulfill the obligation that our founders fought so diligently for it killed me killed me because he was on my show once and I have never told what he has done and nor will i. It was his job to do that. But it killed me to introduce him and play as if barely knew him because he was he was an extraordinarily brave and valiant man and I wish American knew who they just lost back in a minute before we go really quickly Harvey Weinstein was found guilty today of Criminal Sexual Act in the first degree and rape in the third degree He was immediately handcuffed and taken into custody and he scheduled to be sentenced March eleventh. So we will keep you posted on his sentencing. It does appear that most of Hollywood has forgotten that this even happened. But we will keep you abreast of what is going on with that Friday's poll who would most want to see debate. Trump forty six percent of you said Bernie Sanders which again is terrifying followed by twenty one percent many Mike Joe Biden at eighteen percent nineteen percent and Elizabeth Warren at fourteen percent. I mean I guess it'd be fun if you weren't thinking about all of the ramifications of it wasn't our country no big deal in Canada. I might enjoy this. Right exactly Today's Paul will the DNC let Bernie take the Democratic nomination? Glenn the DNC the DNC Bernie ticket. Oh I don't think they're going to do everything they can to stop it. But if it's too far along which we will find out Super Tuesday if it's too far along they're not going to have a choice. They don't have a choice after what happened. Actually choice neck completely all. 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June 28, 2020: Castro Seizes Oil Refineries

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June 28, 2020: Castro Seizes Oil Refineries

"Today is Sunday June twenty eighth twenty twenty on this day in nineteen sixty dictator. Fidel Castro began seizing control of American oil refineries in Cuba. The incident caused the relationship between the United States and Cuba to deteriorate beyond repair for decades. Welcome today and true crime, a podcast original today recovering dictator Fidel Castro's. Takeover of American oil refineries. In Cuba, let's go back to June twenty eighth nineteen, sixty in Santiago Cuba. Fidel Castro reportedly signed a document threatening to seize the foreign owned oil refineries if certain demands were not met. It was a sign of the Times. The Cold War between the United States. The Soviet Union and Cuba was growing more volatile by the day. By the following morning as thirty-three-year-old American Clifford drink junior arrived for work. The Texaco oil refinery in Santiago Kuba. There was a tension in the air. He skipped his coffee and watched his crew work. In the months prior the US advised drake to size the number of American employees in the refinery, anticipating Cuban takeover at some point. Armored militiamen marched in followed by members of Cuba's National Institute of Petroleum Drake ask them in what was going on the Cuban Institute of Petroleum Representatives Demanded Drake and Texaco accept and process between twenty thousand and twenty five thousand barrels of oil from the Soviet Union. Following his own orders from the United, states government drake refused, they would not do business with the USSR. The petroleum reps asked one more time saying they had many of the oil barrels with them. Texaco could start processing right now and appeased Fidel Castro. Drake stood his ground and refused. The Cuban Institute of Petroleum Fire Drake and escorted him out of the building. Armed, militia removed anyone who protested as they took control of the refinery. The institute members declared that the facility its resources and operations were now owned by Cuba's Kuba at throw as ordered by Fidel Castro. His car drake tune the radio to the Cuban government station. A voice announced that the Texaco Shell and Standard Oil refineries would all soon be under Cuban control after refusing to process Soviet soil, the country canceled all exclusive contracts between local gas stations, retailers and foreign oil companies. The government radio issued a warning to other American companies. If they similarly refuse to comply with Cuban government directives, they too, would be seized. Later that night Drake Watch the news. He saw reports of the US. State Department, condemning the expropriation calling it Castro's attempt to destroy Cuba's traditional investment and trade relations with the rest of the world. The US considered the Cuban nationalization of the oil refineries to be a sizable theft at the time, the Texaco, Shell and Standard Oil refineries, hello, total of about sixty five million dollars held in the Cuban National Bank over fifty million of that figure belong to Texaco and Standard. Oil neither Cuba nor Castro offered to compensate the US and the American oil companies for this loss. And? It wouldn't take the United States long to retaliate. Next will look at how the incident damaged the US and Cuba's relationship for decades. Like. Many of you I've been spending a lot of time at home recently, that means I have more time to play my favorite game. Best fiends while the game is casual. Some of the puzzles can be challenging to which is great because I. Get to keep my brain engaged. If I'm having too much trouble, I can usually rely on one of my kids to help me get to the next level. Sometimes they'll disappear with my phone and when they come back, they finished ten levels. It's definitely safe to say. Say We're a best fiends household there thousands of puzzles to solve and every month game updates with new levels and events, so it always stays fresh. Give it a try and see if you can beat my level of three hundred thirty one engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters. Trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play. Download best fiends free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends. Now back to the story. On June twenty eighth nineteen, Sixty Cuban Prime Minister Fidel Castro began seizing control of the Texaco Shell and Standard Oil refineries that operated in his country, going forward. The Nation of Cuba owned and operated the facilities which were used to process large amounts of crude oil from the Soviet Union. The egregious incident raised tensions between the US Cuba and the USSR during the cold, War. The US considered the incident to be a theft of the refineries and resources worth over sixty million dollars. So, five days later on July, third, one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, the united. States retaliated by cutting its Cuban sugar quota. The US wanted to stunt Cuba's economy by leaving seven hundred thousand tons of sugar Cuba's main export without a buyer in response. Castro said they will take away our quota pound by pound, and we will take away their sugar mills one by one. Castro did just that nationalizing the thirty six sugar mills along with utility companies, railways and banks by the close of nineteen sixty in response, the United States cut off all of its remaining ties with Cuba. Banning all exports to the country aside from humanitarian aid like food and medicine on October nineteenth nineteen sixty. Cuba moved on from the loss of us. Trade quickly finding new Communist allies and buyers for its sugar, the Soviet Union and China the USSR bought the sugar supply that the US no longer wanted and imported many essential goods to Cuba. From the early nineteen sixties until the nineteen nineties Cuba received approximately six billion dollars annually in economic assistance from the Soviet Union. And the Cuban refineries continued to process Soviet royal, but when the USSR was on the brink of collapse in nineteen ninety, the block was no longer able to financially support its socialist ally and cut ties with Cuba. The loss of Soviet support and subsidies caused Cuba's economy to fall into a severe recession food milk and meat were scarce with no more Soviet oil, coming in there was very little gas to power homes and cars. Castro called Cuba's dire downturn a special period in a time of peace. The US offered aid, but only if Cuba pledged to become a Democracy Castro refused as a result, Congress passed legislation and tightened restrictions on its Cuban embargo. Enforce. The collapse of Castro's reign. In one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six, the Helms Burton Act stated that American businesses couldn't trade with foreign entities that worked with Cuba. Every year, since then the United Nations General Assembly voted in favor of ending the American embargo against Cuba. However, the trade embargo is still in effect today. However, the policy has been relaxed at times. Castro resigned as President of Cuba in two thousand, eight due to. Appointing his brother row. ooh, as his successor a year later, President Barack Obama loosened US restrictions allowing Americans to travel to Cuba for religious and educational purposes. Cuban Americans were allowed to travel freely to the country and send money to their families. Were despite the easing of some restrictions, there is still tension between the United States and Cuba regarding the nineteen sixty refinery takeover. For decades US presidents didn't let American companies Sue Cuban enterprises for profiting off the use of its former property. American, PRESIDENTS DIDN'T WANNA cause any conflict with their allies in the European Union which did not approve of this option. But in an attempt to further weaken Cuba's struggling economy President Donald. Trump enacted a provision of the Helms Burton. ACT TO ALLOW LAWSUITS in May. Two Thousand Nineteen, since then twenty six companies have filed lawsuits against Cuban entities including American Airlines Visa MasterCard Amazon, travelocity and Expedia. Most, notably Exxon Mobil formerly known as standard oil, filed a two hundred eighty million dollar lawsuit seeking compensation for the nineteen sixty refinery takeover. The oil company accused Kuba Petroleo and the Cuban export. Import Corporation of profiting off. It's stolen property. The amount of money sought would be compensation for the facility and resources and includes six decades of interest. A spokesperson for Kuba at throw your called the lawsuit, a further attempt to damage our national economy through illegal men's. The. Company claims that it has defended itself from similar lawsuits and plans to defend itself in court when the time comes. As of March, twenty twenty the lawsuit is still pending. It remains to be seen if this decades old debt will ever be settled. Thanks for listening to today in true crime I'm Vanessa Richardson if you're interested in learning more about Fidel Castro's regime, check out the parkhouse to original dictators today in true crime is a park cast original. You can find more episodes up today and true crime, and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. 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Episode 116 - 5 Tips For Better Coaching

Badass Agile

11:50 min | 8 months ago

Episode 116 - 5 Tips For Better Coaching

"Would you like a list of all the things you need to do to be the best agile coach you can be plus this week on the bass. Agile podcast Greetings team welcome to the bad ass. Agile podcast I'm your host the Chris Williams below my friends sounds all. You Bet. It's out there. Thank you as always for tuning in so wonderful to see listen. I don't pretend to know everything about being a great coach and I don't pretend to be a great great coach but I do strive every day to be a little bit better to be more and more effective and to hit home runs for my customers so wanNA share with few today five things that I think you can try to apply to your coaching game. The might just make you a little bit better or at least a little bit different than you were yesterday before you that. Let's remember why we're here to create an elite tribe of leaders who truly serve their clients and communities by doing what matters and what works relentlessly relentlessly chasing value and excellence like a bad us. There's so many resources out there about what you need to do to be agile. But we're focused on who you need to become in order to lead teams so let's hammer down those fundamentals to create a truly unique. An unstoppable force in this industry. Hey this show helps you. Please tell your friends. Don't forget you can reach out with your coaching questions at contact at Dot Com you can also head on over to the website light to sign up for my weekly newsletter or you know in the past five or ten years. Even the job of agile coaches suddenly become a thing and as things become come a thing and become more popular more people gravitate towards the profession and they start poking around and see. What's what when they do that? They WanNa find out what they can do to to become the best coach they can be. They might start seeking certifications. They might start seeking mentors. They might start reading books and all of those things are good things but if I can give you a couple of shortcuts today some things that might help really improve your career your presence and most importantly your effectiveness as a coach then. That's what I'd like to do with our time together today. They in reality. There's only so many books you can read. There's only so much competence that you need in scrum or Agile Giaour any of the associated methods in order to be effective and you can study that stuff up and down in. That's great it's wonderful to have tools in your tool kit but ultimately as you know I don't focus so much on the procedures but more on the kind of leader you have to become so let's focus on a couple of qualities. I want you to work on the first one is confidence you need to be sure in order to lead. It's not something you can fake easily and if your new you might be wondering how can you build confidence if you don't already have it. An answer is pretty simple from my perspective. And that's be intentional about how you show up. The first step is to be careful about the words that you choose and us to begin by limiting the number of times in a day you use words like maybe and and And I guess and swap them out not for more confident terms meaning. I know what I'm talking about when I really don't but confident in terms of I may not know what I'm talking about but I am willing to take a risk and find out so somebody comes to you and says hey we've got two options in front of US option A. and option B.. which which way do you think we should go? If your instinct is turn back and say I don't know which way do you think we should go experiment with something like this. I have an idea. Why don't we try option? A or why don't we Option C. C.. Were takes us. And if we don't like the results were getting we can turn back and try different option. You have to remember. The confidence is something you build build over time by doing. What by doing by experiencing confidence refers to your inner certainty that you can succeed seat in a given scenario and that kind of certainty comes from as we know experience until you've had the experience it's really hard to build confidence but you can still think? Click a confident. Person Does and what agile would teach us about that is to experiment. Measure inspect and adapt so allow. Allow your confidence to come from a place of willing to walk into the unknown. It's actually less about appearing or being certain but rather your willingness to get certain by doing so avoid UNCON- Fidel language postures and actions and replace them now with actions and words of certainty but actions and words of curiosity and willingness to try. Trust me people are Dying for somebody to follow and if you appear confident and certain or at least willing to take a risk. The person that they'll follow could be you next thing you should get good at is storytelling. I've said this a million times but if you don't have a practice of writing down your lessons learned every day start one now. Not only she'd you write it down every day but you should review it when you review it weekly look for consistencies look for repetition. Look for stories that are calling out to be told. Look look for metaphors that start to emerge and build a collection and then put them into practice. So if you had something happened with the team today and at the end of that interaction you were able to break ground. You're able to convince somebody you're able to get people to take a risk to try and experiment. You're able to get people to open up mark that down. What did you do what did you say when did it start to go bad? And when did it start to turn around and become good again. What did you learn from that? Those things Are Gold as a leader your ability to take your lessons learn and perform alchemy. Whenever you need it is what creates a great leader of teams and as you right on your observations you may notice that certain stories will emerge or appear to you? You can make those accounts completely fictional completely the nonfiction or anywhere in between but finding a way to tell a story in such a way that it stirs emotion in people because remember nobody ever changes changes their mind based on logic and reason everybody changes their mind because of the way they feel about a certain person or event and your job as a leader is to inspire that emotional change and the best way to do that is with emotionally compelling stories. But you're never gonNA find them if all you do is read. The great works of others. Be Your own great work right down everything that you do and everything that happens to you and your team. The next thing you should get good at is knowing your gaps this requires introspection this requires reflection and it requires honesty and vulnerability get good at writing down at the same time you write down. Your lessons learned today right down. One thing that you could do or should do differently. The look you don't have to call the events of today a failure you can call them learning opportunity. You can call them an opportunity to get better to stretch to grow pro. Because that's exactly what it is. Hey if you're still alive and thriving tomorrow today was no real failure so make a practice of looking at the things that happened happen even the bad things as a chance to improve yourself. I love the idea of fighting for every last scrap of blame. Which means in situations? -tuation where you weren't necessarily to blame that is to say you weren't accountable directly for a given sequence of events or outcomes you still look for ways days where you could have made a difference where you could have prevented failure where you could have created a different outcome. That is a hugely valuable exercise and most people don't have the courage to do it now. The inverse of knowing your gaps is knowing your value. What is is it that you are uniquely qualified to do? I speak frequently about vision service and voice that means no the change that you want to making the world know the value that you wanna add figure out who you serve how you serve them and why and most importantly figure out how you are uniquely qualified defied to deliver that message in that value. What is it about you so I'll give you an example? I love leading people into change. I believe in making the world a better place is by empowering and inspiring individuals but my specific value is finding those people who came up in corporate North America. gotcha sitting in the team rooms in the coating rooms. All of a sudden being handed agile challenge being asked to lead without any training or qualification. Patient leadership I wanted to speak to those people specifically. That's my language. That's my unique voice and I didn't WanNA teach them leadership it by teaching them agile. I wanted to teach them the qualities of exceptional human beings knowing that agile principles would flow freely and naturally only from that space. So what is your voice. What is your unique value as always in this is nothing new? If you've been a longtime listener spend spend time honing crafting and sharpening your vision. Your service and your voice and the fifth thing that I would suggest if you want to become a great Agile leader is learn how to learn quickly or the most important things I realized early on is the complexity. Is the enemy most great. The ideas are inherently simple. There's an entire industry that profits from making them complex but look for the simple natural things in every new piece of information most of what humans create models or reflects the natural universe in some way. There's nothing truly innovative Vega or completely mind blowing out there so she dig into so called. Complex concepts like scaling agile overcoming mindset set resistance or even just techniques for bringing out the best in your team as you're sitting there chewing over that four hundred page book on that subject. Look look for the simple. Look for a way to relate this back to things that you already know. find a way to boil this down to its essentials. I use book look summarizations services for exactly this reason. Tell me what is the most important negative information that I need to absorb and act upon the quicker you learn and absorb the quicker you can experiment and move to wards excellence so those are the five things that I want you to try this week and then reflect on how that changes are hopefully improves your leadership. Game as an agile coach or scrum master. Try Out let me know folks. Thank you for listening. You can reach out worldwide web dot com or find me on twitter at Bat US underscore agile. Thank you so much for tuning in. I look forward to seeing you next next time until then stay mass

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