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Jimmy Butler Wants Out

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44:30 min | 2 years ago

Jimmy Butler Wants Out

"Oh yeah, we got a lot of this spend the junk today. Jump starts now. Does. I mean, right, thank you. Steven, welcome to the job. I'm Rachel Nichols joined by our insiders glow and the hall of Famer Jackie. You make it, you got to, you know, use it for the rest of time. All right. So we were a little busy, busy busy here. The jump yesterday answer. I knew the Jimmy Butler situation was also brewing, but let's be honest. It has been months, right? We've been talking about the locker room dynamic, Minnesota. What is you me Butler? Think of Karl Anthony towns. What is Karl Anthony towns? Think of Andrew, Wiggins, but does Andrew Wiggins. Think of Tom Izzo it's like being trapped any sixth grade lunch table on and on endless circles. Everyone heard it was messy. Nothing ever seemed to really change. Yeah, that's over. Let's see. In just the past two days, Jimmy met with Tibbs. Minnesota. Oh, wait. No. The meeting got moved to Los Angeles where they were supposed to get on the same page before training camp opens a wait. No, the Atlantic reported the Butler ask for trade, which was huge and meant that Tibbs the coach was going to have to have a, you know, heart to heart with Tim's the team president race, right? Oh, wait, no ten. Tim said, he's not interested in dealing Jimmy right now. Oh, wait, no, is reporting the Jimmy still wants a trade and would like to go to the Knicks nets or clippers? Oh eight. No, whoa. Jeff date, Jimmy actually prefers the clippers specifically, but also it's going to be hard to work out a trade quickly. So Butler is likely to start the season in Minnesota. Oh, wait. No, that might be a problem because when the Butler trade news was breaking Andrew Wiggins brother sent out this tweet hollow yet. And I mean, hey, maybe it wasn't directed at Jimmy, right? Maybe we brother is really religious, maybe. Oh, wait. No, Jimmy responded to Wiggins brother with this video. I do. Essay minutes, say, man, keep that same energy's clearly dig it Wiggins who has been repeatedly accused of having a low motor, and now this is fishery a mess because the wolves have graduated from the sixth grade lunch table to a full on locker room problem. At least it didn't get more petty from there. Oh, wait. No, our guys Steven Jackson, who when he's not here at the jump off and puts out his thoughts on his, I decided to come to Butler's defense and well, listen. This other compensation should win with a Andrew Wiggins and his brother when Andrew found out his butter Sunday tweet about how Louis and all right. Wings, say, big, bro. I don't think you should have sent it tweet out why you say that. Jimmy bother me. He played with a lot of heart. He played all he played with a lot of heart and I ain't got no. After that all hell broke loose Wiggins called out stack on his story. Calling him old saying he was nothing special. Then we brother chimed in again in the comments sink stack, probably only average zone six and a half points a game shutout to our producer Steve, noting that no, that number's actually fifteen. Thank you. And of course, as many other folks chimed in, there's that championship ring that stack one two, and you would think that would be it, but, oh, wait, no. From the top rope here comes Stephen again. Make sure your interesting when you see me bre. Right? I'm pussy. No, YM interest-rate just focus on find some hard and having a good year wish you the best. You got a lot of town. Just find that. Please try to do that with me, bro. You know what I'm saying? Just keep the same in in traffic. Okay. So that has to be a right. I mean, you can't follow that. Oh, wait, no, Larry Markkanen. Yes, that nice kid from Finland. This is what he posted on Twitter this morning, and please notice it is not just the picture, but the abbey to just n taste anyway, missed that. He is trolling Minnesota for trading him for Butler. This is really just futile work. I mean, it brings tears to my eyes that he was able to do this this morning. So yeah, from two days ago when it was still guests, we'll see if all those guys Minnesota can get along better this year too. Well, whatever you would call what we have. Now, all I can say is this one that Ascot quickly to trust me current MBA players, really? This is for any of you. You absolutely do not want to catch Stephen Jackson and traffic and three. I'm having a hard time seeing how tips can put this Jimmy Butler situation back in the box. It's just mushrooming too fast, Jackie. What do you think? Do you think there is even a way to repair this rift between Jimmy and the wolves? No. I think you've wait only. He's made up his mind. He has all the power because he's going to be free agent this summer. Now I think the Minnesota can treat can determine when they're going to trade Jimmy Butler. And I understand why Tibbs isn't going to do it right away. I'm not sure I would either you gotta take one less crack at this, but short of trading Andrew Wiggins and bringing Stephen Jackson back on a ten day contract. I mean, I don't know how you make this work. I just want to say for the record yesterday, it was only like the seventeenth. Most embarrassing thing to have to do. The Minnesota Timberwolves is like the posted year. Let's listen. How embarrassing looking fury. This would be fixable. In theory, in theory, theory, she comes back. The team is really good. They win forty, nine fifty games the young guys, mature and get better and play hard in the playoffs. And everyone realizes, hey, this isn't bad. In theory, in reality, this is completely broken and that would be absolutely blown away. If Jimmy Butler is not traded and I would actually lean to it happening soon. The wildcard is just Tibbs wanna do it right? Is the coach and the GM doesn't want to wait away. But there's one guy above them and that's the owner. And when do all the people on the business side who are ready to get this done before media day, they do not want a circus on media day. When do they get his ear? And does Glenn Taylor just situation saying, man, I mean me today for the timber. Wolves is on Monday. Their training camp opens on Monday. What was showing up at media day, doesn't care. I was gonna say, well, really? You think it's going to be pretty pretty interesting. They're pretty uncomfortable. You got to deal with the media got the d. with your teammate that you just called out on social media. You gotta deal with the coach and GM who you've now sort of embarrassed. Right? Absolutely. First of all, I should tell the people that we had to explain his act before the show would catch you and traffic means what that's again. Why don't you just ask the question? I wanna to make sure. Graphic show traffic him. But the fact is one of the Jackie's young, but he's all that's what I love about him. Thank you. This is like an old guard. Yeah, he is. But the fact that it did escalate like this. I mean, it does seem, you know what? It tells you. It tells you how close to the surface all this stuff. What you remember before we were saying, well, we we know that we think that Wiggins Jimmy Butler, but we've never seen evidence we think are the absolute. Is your evidence just to. A month ago. So now you understand how close all this was. So you guys know better than anyone how the mechanics of it works. When the one of these trades is being put together, first of all, you're never gonna get value back for. Right. Never gonna get a Jimmy Butler level. Otherwise are used to that right? Kevin prince there. So that's one problem doing it under the gun when there's some threat of doing it before Monday seems it'll happen. But again, it's not in theory. When you say, gee, these guys have to now being a locker room together. What? What do you expect the timing to be? Well, I'm sure Jimmy Butler and his people would like it done before Monday. I don't know about the Glenn Taylor would. I'm not sure. Maybe Glenn Taylor thinks he can fix this somehow, and I'm not sure. I'm sure that Andrew Wiggins would certainly like it to be done before Monday now. So that's, but that's what's today. I've lost her as day Thursday. That's I understand. If you're going to gauge a whole bunch of teams, we know what Jimmy's list is, but you know, perhaps you want to engage other teams just in case those other teams have a lot of work to do themselves. You know, I, I don't know that any of them are. I mean, if you gave them the choice, do we sign him in free agency for four and one forty? Or do we trade for and then sign them to five? One ninety four one forty paid that extra year scares them. By the way. Part of the reason the Jimmy reportedly asked for this trade wasn't just I don't like maybe some of the other players in locker room. It was. He wants that five year as opposed to winning till he's a free agent where he can only get four years and I believe it's fifty less million dollars. Okay. But so now you're a team that's thinking about acquiring him and Jimmy Butler is a great player. Don't get me wrong, but you need the other player if you're going to contend if the three teams on that list. So that's what they're going to be digging around. Hey, does this guy like this guy? This guy this right now around the whole league there, there are. This is ROY. As a lot of questions about Jimmy, like a lot of teams. This is this is to teams. Now we got a really reassess or just make sure that he's going to be the kind of locker room presence that draws a Leonard or draws draws whoever. I mean of course, we have the same questions about quiet lynyrd all of a sudden. Well, that's that's true. And by the way, I, yeah, you're absolutely right. Because when he got from Chicago people like, oh, the problem is Chicago, and I think Larry Markkanen Spokane entire bulls franchise this morning on the Lowery bandwagon. I mean, well, we have a lot of Arizona guys on the staff. So that was all ready team marketing around here already. But but yeah, I mean, look, I think there's a little bit of Chicago sort of smiling today and yesterday. Well, I just, you know, they're going to have on their face because they traded a lot of stuff for Jimmy. Now they're going to have to trade him again for less stuff, and it's going to bed. But really at the end of the day Levin just got paid nine hundred million. No one knows if he's a good, Chris, Don a total question Mark. He's twenty five. The only guy that might matter in five years really from that trade is this guy. Right here. He is going to be good, celebrate Finland, celebrate what hoping for Chris done. My foolish. Stuff too, but he's not young people think he's like twenty. Five also say, I want to move onto Wiggins, but I will also say that so much can change in a year. We've got qui- video up here and just the idea that you say quite Leonard run a raptor rate the year ago would have been an insane thing to say. So when we're sitting here Jimmy Butler and I've seen this morning of people like, oh, if Jimmy gets treated here. And then in the summer you can convince x to join him so much can change before. Now in the summer, I wouldn't make any deal banking on ex player, joining him nine ten months. Can't you can't possibly project unless it's tempering which happens every day. So maybe you can tampering and this is stab. -ment can't believe that I'm interested to get your thoughts on Wiggins on in in Wiggins on court sort of thing. I mean, you know what Stephen Jackson was referring to Jimmy Butler was referring to was these accusations of, hey, this low motor isn't trying hard all the time squandering. His talent is fair to Andrew Wiggins. I mean, I I don't think he tries hard all the time, but I. I don't think a lot of the players try as hard as they can on every single possession, but he has. He has like he's like a bystander, a out of the time in honestly did the Butler. This is a mess. All the Instagram stuff is funny underneath. This is festering the issue of what if injure, we just isn't good. Like if he's not good, you just paid a max steel. It's this is year five for him. It's time to be like, good. It's time to be productive. He had a bad year last year takes way too many mid-range jumpers. You can't get any mid range jumper. You can't pass. You can't defend. It's time to be something other than like younger Rudy, gay. So I think Andrew Wiggins is good, but I just don't think he's going to be great because in my experience in the league and watching these young players year issue by year five, if you haven't developed that aggression that motor, I don't really love that word. So I think this is the throwback air Mckee. I used to your Mckee and I'd watch minute. See that guy should be a perennial all-star, and he had all the skills and Larry Brown used to Dr Larry Brown insane because he could. He could do one thing if you gain the. You'd be like, wow, you do that. Every game could be this. And that's a little who Andrew Wiggins reminds me. I will say, this is the fence now that was your four last year. But last year, the additional Butler Crawford rose gave them all these ball handlers and we're really, and everyone could have predicted. This was a bad fit for Wiggins because when he doesn't have the ball, he just stands in the corner stands of three point line and you can't shoot threes, nobody guards and it just didn't work. They just gave him a big contract, didn't they just give them the contract a summer ago, feels like just, but my point is that I remember specifically when they did give him that deal. The Glenn Taylor may be unusual step for owner, right to come out and basically say publicly, I am giving him this, but it is basically the promise from him change. We had a meeting and we'd legged our finger eight and I'm not sure not did enough change that you. I mean, do you guys feel that something significant change after he signed? Let's see if you can shoot threes. Like if I'm if I'm Andrew lock myself in the gym at all, I would've done all summer shoot three pointers. It will. Be man. This this story is not over and really by the time we end this show has been going. I would expect us to be talking about it again at the end of the show because there's going to be something else that happens up next though we're gonna get Zack's thoughts on the forthcoming sequel to Space Jam. That was announced yesterday. And if you don't remember one of the finest works ever ever Kuala grantland in ESPN was a Space, Jam analysis like a serious one really serious. Now, Yep, you guessed it. I'm a speed bump, so I've got one job. I slow you down. So imagine I feel about Geico who does way more like not only could they save you money on car insurance, but they've been around for over seventy five years, giving people fast and friendly claim service. Ow. Plus they got an iffy mobile app that gives you twenty four, seven access ow. Just doing my job buddy Geico expect great savings and a whole lot more. You look in the camera and say, it's a make or miss league. Our that. Okay. Then you don't have to say appraiser. Thank you pastor Beverly minks. Here's James harden playing pickup, only dropping dimes passing is not usually what we see in pick them games, Jackie. Well, it is if you're James harden, right? Because that's what makes you so very, very special who is playing with tonight. These guys I want to speak. Right. Is this the one in New York or right as the building that. Funches echoed that blackout run that went to the players. Alright with passing and pick up because that's what makes you know. That's why you like myself with the real stuff. This grudges, this is so good, Utah, Jazz, NBA, Twitter, I love u Utah, Jazz dot com article. This is different. Utah's story. I'm sorry, this is more serious describing the fallout between Jerry Sloan, Darren Williams back in two thousand eleven that led to retiring and getting traded according to Williams the to have met and buried the hatchet. So this is nice, sentimental, Utah story. We'll get a little bit later to the front of your story, but what do you think about this? What do you remember about there in Utah? I guess it's nice like eight years later. D. will was a beast. And the irony is Jerry Sloan system was a great fit for him and allowed them to screen and post up and run around. I don't know what he was so unhappy about this. Manage to me. Family matters. Terry Rozier told q, he realized he was blowing up when he was sitting in a restaurant and Jalil white who is of course, steeper recognized him instead of the other way around the new barometer for 'em BA stardom. Dear. What about Stefan or kellyn Terry, I think other people recognize you wasn't he on stage at concert recently with somebody really big. It's great, Drake, Trey, quit know as you man. Why use Steve Young watched family matters on reruns, of course, it is do not own a television sport boredom. This is the story I've been waiting for the jazz got new purple jerseys. Joing goes wants to know of his sold-out. Blake Griffin responded saying he's using them for fire kindling in Michigan where you know he plays for the pistons down yet always knew you wanted. My jersey says Joe Ingles. Mike clippers one is probably hanging right next to ours. Able somewhere which is a yours. Ain't no chill reference to the fact that the clippers fake Hong Blake Griffin jersey in the rafters during their free agent pitcher, call them a clipper for life, and then traded six months later joined goes, didn't make the NBA. He's so delightful. This close to not happening least the lighting. This is the only time Lakers going to be on the show. Joy, sneaky. People are like, oh, man, she's she's so classy. She's amazing. Gets you face jam to is a go with LeBron James ranked Cougars producing this movie. This is going to be a total reimagining not a sequel. So in that vein, Zach, who do you feels should play them on stars. Marcus cousins. Okay. Foam on should be in this somewhere. Friendlies place is Ahah. Thomas goes plays, Joan takes. Larry Johnson's play. Place, Kanthi Davis takes place. There's there's your lineup. I put my glasses on just to tell all those guys. Funny enough. They're funnier than you think funding. I mean, this is this is interesting that you. Funny, just I don't remember if he was funny tacky took the seriously because for those of you who don't remember, we love for Reagan. On this show. He really thinks he's. He wrote in alternate theories, breakdown of Space, Jam four grantland. I would recommend going back and they don't even realize there's an alien. You feel you took a shot at Patricia Heaton in this. Patricia Heaton due to you. You took a shot at Larry who's on the golf course with. Larry, Larry, Larry Bird saying that what they let Michael Jordan gets local Jordan just falls through Gulf oil and they just continue on like nothing happened in the center of the plot hole. That's your plot. Laurie has the line Bill. Larry's not white. He's clear. Jam is like a thirty minute television show with like twenty minutes of credits on either end and some. Harry Hilden when this movie came out. Kelvin. I, I didn't have children when the movie came out. It was like. Space Jam too good. He's a great player of all time. He surpassed as Michael Jordan, just like that Space Jam is fantastic. I will not take the slander how dare you how dare you. I take it back. Don't go read ex article, although it is really, really funny up. Next is lonzo's health going to keep him from earning these starting point guards spot on the Lakers. We will discuss next on the Joan. Tomorrow, three eastern new Pacific that jumped will be live in Philadelphia as training camps officially opened. Our guest will be joylin bead and Ben Simmons and good thing headed to Philip because they just hired a new general manager. Steven Jackson, that promo, he's going to be live on air with us tomorrow too. So you know, you're gonna want to check that out. Let's talk about brands brand spoke today about his goals for the seventy Sixers. This season. Take a listen. Goes to develop this young court. Joe wells first time in the playoffs. There was bins first time in the playoffs. We talk about adding the third superstar. We have that third superstar in this room right now and Ford like we have that much talent. They're young, but we have that much talent. So just development and getting farther than we do. Zack. You heard brand talk about the talent, the Sixers, have, how much pressure is there on him in this new role? The next eighteen months are big for them. He's talking about if they're going to get that third star that third big salary before Ben Simmons gets presumably amac's. It starts to get mechanically a little harder. Although the do have trade assets like Miami's pick. It starts to get mechanically little harder just like sly Jimmy Butler slide in there. So it's it's restarting literally. Now Jimmy Butler. It gets interesting, but do you think the pressure is really on Elton Bryant brand in that regard? So I think Elton brand very well respected throughout the league player, and I think now is the front office guy, but I think you know, Brett Brown was in this role for this interim amount of time. We know that Josh Harris is super hands on owner. So to me, this is more of a consortium. It's going to make these decisions. So I think Elton gets to walk in here, and I don't think there's a ton of pressure on him by the way. I think that's excellent. That's an excellent way to bring him into the finance. I think he's going to be a really good GM everybody, those interesting position because they have that salary slot. There's been so much attention on like, oh, why didn't they get a big name player this past summer? Who are they gonna. Next summer on most teams, if you had someone like Joel Embiid, who was a bit of a once in a lifetime player, Ben Simmons who people are saying, he's the next LeBron James, and by the way, Marco Fulton was also the number one pick from us year and we can discuss in a minute how that may or may not turn out. You wouldn't sit there and say, oh, this is a team that really needs a big star, but that is sort of the guy that's been cast for Philadelphia in some ways. I'm, I'm understood that I, I really like Sarah till. On the one hand, you're right because everyone branded this summer like a failure in a big failure and they didn't even get elites walked away from them. There's no failure right now would you have? It was very is failure when these two guys, however, to if you want to win a championship, if a third guy is is not always a prerequisite, but really helps. And you only have so many chances to get one. And so I understand why people are like, you know why? Not if we can why not. I mean, it's really speaks to the pressure of Danny Ainge in the Boston Celtics that little bars about him. How much pressure is there? An brand pressures come in from Boston, right? The whole point of having these two exceptional players is to at least get out of the east and make the finals right. Take a shot at a ring. And when you've got just down the road up up up the road, the road rate stocked team, that's so crazy, very deep Celtics have. I mean, that's sort of creates that pressure to do wanna talk about Marco Foltz because number one pick last year only appeared in fourteen games. During his rookie season. Obviously, one of the more than usual storylines we had last year in the NBA which is saying something considering the storylines we had last season. He's speaking for himself now which I always appreciate. Take a listen. Our new guy drafted. No-one pick for a reason. It was a lot of things going on about changing shots and all this there. But for me, I'm a Hooper. So I was like, man is English Tommy. So people really didn't understand it thought like just being song. I mean, it was really injury now got a chance to just sit down and. And pick apart all these doctors. We figured it out, and I've been back to work this summer and every day is back to even better than what it was. So sixer fans are going to get somebody's gonna come in and play art. I mean, I think I'm gonna be that guy that's going to be able to create create shots for himself and his team mates. I mean, I got in the game when you need a bucket, you don't really have to call the play. I wanted to be special. You know, when I come back and I wanna have people guessing. So I mean this, this going to be good. Thank you. The players Tribune for that video and you look at this young core, there you go. In Philadelphia, Jackie. What do you expect? Because it's so hard to know as he says only in that video, a lot of us still don't understand what the problem was. It's hard to know if that problem fixed. I don't know if you guys saw the post that he gives them social media over the course of the summer, but it was about mental health being joke, and I think Fulton has made sure he's healthy physically. I think he's done something to take care of his mental Welby as well, and and he's working on shot. I think he's going to have a really big year. I think it's crazy for people to give up on this kid after it. You say one funkier that did involve physical health mental health and just weird situation from him from the get-go by the way that was not helped by zone teens. It was a bizarre situation. It was definitely a mental pointed to it. If not the biggest component might have been a mental component. I what are we gonna expect? I, I don't know the player he describes exactly what they need a guy who can run the pick and roll and get into the lane and kicking out. That's exactly what the Sixers, that's what that Boston series kind of exposed. They didn't have that dynamic. His shot looks better. It's still looks a little like the release point is pretty low. It's not the same shot that he had in college. So we'll see. I hope I hope that video proves to be like, I would actually look. Pick up Jack in what you said. He says in the video, oh, people didn't really understand what was going on. Just saying, I'm soft. This is what you have talked about. Sold were look wenttly all summer is that this language has to just we just gotta get away with it and it's not because he can't handle it not talking about the same thing. There is a difference between, hey, he doesn't want to put in the work. He's not tough enough. That's kind of what soft is supposed to mean rate as you won't take. You won't right. That does not apply to, hey, I am dealing with some actual real medical issues. Those are different things, and that's why I believe, you know, I think the Sixers have done a really good job with Markelle Foltz. He's got a clean slate with them and not all teams can afford to do that or willing to do that. I think Brett Brown has made it his his charge to invest in this young man and to spend time with them to understand him. And that's why I think great things are gonna happen for Markelle hope. So that's the one, the one through all of this mess and noise and confusion. The one constant was everybody in that organization. He is a wonderful. On every teammate in that locker room stood up for him, which is the other thing that tells me he's not soft. He's willing to do the work. He had some work to an obstacle to overcome and his trying to overcome them. I wanna talk about another young player entering his second year. Luke Walton telling spectrum sports net that Lonzo ball won't be ready for five on five scrimmages when training camp begins next week. While also said the Lakers quote won't rush Lonzo back ball, of course, Arthur Scott surgery on his left knee into lie, still recovering. So look on the one hand, you can say the organization that really playing it, smart with Lonzo. They rush him young guy. Brian says, all knee surgeries are serious. There's no minor knee surgery. On the other hand, I can't help thinking this is really convenient, right? Because weren't wasn't one of the big questions when they traded for Rondo, who's gonna start as Lonzo gonna get sat. Do they have to worry about you Saiki what if they want? We want Rondo to take serve a leadership role right from the start in the. Bron obviously interested in playing Rondo such smart player is, does this strike you as a nice way to solve that problem? But I think that problem comes back whenever he's healthy because lonzo's better than Rondo even now I think it is in the Lakers interests to start Lonzo and a figure out if you can fit with LeBron. Because to me, that's maybe the biggest question hovering over their team for the next year and be can't. He's gotta look good because they're going to have to start investigating what they get for them. If they just conclude that that's not a match that works and they need them to play, and then even be healthy actually liked the fact that they're doing this because when Lonzo had knickknack injuries last season, there were times. In fact, I remember in the preseason particular, there were whispers, why isn't he out there? Why isn't he playing this idea again, being soft? I think Lonzo heard some of those whispers he had surgery. Okay. So if he needs more time to get back for whatever reason, whether you think he soft or he has a different pain threshold and everybody else, let's be smart about give this kid. Fair shot so they can make the determination that he fits with LeBron the Lakers. I think this is fine. It's interesting though. When you talk about trading, he's not a regular player as a piece to trade. He comes with so much stuff off the court, and there's frankly, some of the stuff is the why the Lakers wanted, right. He had a very high profile coming into draft at a time where it's been very quietly have liked having high profile players from the beginning. He was always never the big. Guys would go at him and he would just say, I'm gonna play, but his persona and obviously created a lot by his family. But his persona was an element of tractive to the Lakers going into that draft. He had the biggest persona, the Lakers love stars. He's from LA all of that stuff, chino hills from the area, but trading him. If that becomes a question. That's a lot to treat for that. I mean, when you guys talk to teams in front offices, the idea Quiring Lonzo, what's the temperature on that people are certainly intrigued by his talent. That's just flashed. It's not an encouraging stat and that needs to change everyone. Roles there is, I don't know that there's any organization that is afraid of lavar or or you know, we couldn't handle it. Every organization is always confident that it can handle anything that team's screwed up. We can right. I don't. I don't think that would be. I don't think we'll prevent the deal. No, I agree. And you know, the the issue is is ever be a complete player even if he's an incomplete player, he still better than the lion share of the rookies was drafted talented kid. He's an interesting kid and, and you wonder, I'm always wondering, what is he thinking? And I, I don't know. Well enough to give you an answer personally. I hope that the Lonzo ball Calcutta Michaud goes on forever because that is fun for me. So we'll say, I hope it works out. Here's what the jump recommends for today is PM dot com. Released their latest NBA rank article. One covers players twenty through eleven, if you like, rankings. Look out for the NBA rank special tonight on ESPN two at eight eastern. We will be right back. Kevin Godley with your head on sportscenter tonight. Six eastern Bruce king tells us why the Browns will beat the jets. Plus, what did Conor McGregor do today that is, must see also a fresh abate from Tony Mike on sportscenter right after PTI. AMI is not that far from these guys that we just doing away is I'm just saying, welcome back to the brass president besides discussing Kyle Lowry's reaction to his decision to trade Rosen for for quite Leonard quote, tile is close to demar and he's going to be sensitive that was a blow to him. I think basketball wise, Kyle is always ready. He's always going to be ready. He's training hard and he will be ready Mr.. Toronto. What do you think of that bite? And what do you think is the new fit of Kyle Lowry? And now Leonard, you'll be ready use a pro. I have no doubt about that messiahs, right? The feelings are hard. I don't know how much they're heard from Kyle all summer because of it. He didn't wanna talk about the team USA in in July, but the fit is going to be great and whatever anger he feels is gonna melt away when he was like, oh, this is really good. He just took the ball from someone in dunk. That was awesome. And not only that, oh my gosh, I'm off the ball. Look at all the spacing. I have because everybody's guarding Kawhi this is going to help Lowery's offense. Game and trims Kyle such a great player is that he is shooting ability, makes him an easy fit with the guy like quad, it'd be a catch and shoot three point guy this year. One thing if I was so interesting about this whole situation with Kyle and tomorrow and the raptors and how the trade went down. You know, the sort of what is now become a regular conversation about loyalty where through the players all time in the franchisor, why do you get on us? When we change is free agent. I understand all that comes up the hate and sort of venom that comes to them when they decide to switch teams and they always wanna make the point. We can get searched anytime. To me. The more interesting discussion around all of that though was the idea of family right that we ask players and not just we as fans, but teams ask, they ask each other, then idea being brotherhood is real. I don't know if you can be successful chasing winning team without having some sort of very close personal relationship. But the guys in that locker room and like a family, it's not a wonderful and sappy, but those those that every championship team I've covered those guys have gotten really close with. Each other. So to win a requirement to win in this league, the guys get really close and then like Collin, demar by the way, didn't even like each other. The first they played together, they didn't even have each other's phone numbers. They didn't speak off the court. They had told me and then they became so close that by this past year, they would practice together all day come home from the facility at night and FaceTime. Each other on the couch is they were both watching basketball games and movies together, and then we split them up. I understand why that is very complicated set of feeling. Well, it's a complicated feelings, but it's also just the way it works. I mean, if if I mean I think there was a chance Kyle Lowry could've gotten traded instead of Dhamar Rosen. And so then we'd be talking about it the other way around. I have to tell you, I did cover a lot of championship. Teams were guys weren't super close off the court. They had chemistry on the court, but you know some of those bulls teams for since they weren't, they weren't, you know, like these two guys. Relationships. Family is actually good comp because I know a lot of families where people aren't super close, but it's deep, emotional relationship, quite literal in Toronto where you walk into their locker room. The first wall that you see is is a bunch of they've attached are sort of melted into the wall. A bunch of like everyone's baby pictures and everyone's pictures of their family. They make. It's not it's on perfectly. We are family. That's what we are in your kids. Part of the family and your parents are part of the family. So what's what's poor Pasqualino do without y'all Purtill for instance, I know that was that was funny. Do without. Good nicely in San Antonio. It's gonna be tough for you. I hope we can help you through this difficult time. I'll be. I'll be okay tomorrow. Leonard is expected to speak to the media for the first time since more or less demanding trade from the Spurs. Would you re said, quote Hawaii determined and seems in the right frame of mind, you will be hearing from him shortly. I think there is a fire inside of him and we are all excited about that. This is my favorite. We call these cars at the bottom of the screen. My favorite topics part of the show because Jacky, when I say, what do you expect to hear from tomorrow? Partly mean what's the sentiment you expect from him? So we don't hear him, speak words very often any. So what do you expect to hear from him? Think what I'm going to hear what you're all going to hear too, is that whatever happened in San Antonio is in the past, I'm not going to discuss that. I'm here to discuss my future and I, I'm going to make it work here in Toronto, and I'm committed to Kyle Lowry into Masai and and to Pasquale and sorry, Yakup that I won't be committed to you and I expect I expect nothing dramatic. I don't expect any fireworks. And I mean, I don't expect him to talk for more than three minutes and we won't understand like two and a half minutes because he'll be talking. So low online here saying, you will be hearing from him shortly. It's like the HR manager's going to call you. Until you're gonna call you, you'll be hearing shortly. Platitudes is going to say, say nothing and then we'll move on with the rest of media. I mean, we'll we'll never know right. What happened you someday we'll know book someone will someone will say something towards down the line. It'll come out. It'll come out someday. Someone says something. Somewhat something it'll come out. It'll happen. Already in that photo there's a day I'm going to be like sort of tourist travelling through, you know, world China, and I'm going to walk into a hut and someone's going to be like, did you see the Woche tweet? That's your right. Something always happens up. Next would be smart to trade for Jimmy Butler. If he doesn't commit to a long term extension, I told you they'd be more Jimmy Butler news. Would any team be so interested desperate toward should be is we'll discuss it next. Friday is to Red Sox Indians in the first game of a three-game series. I a lot of friends very interested in this three gamer, and then our next ESPN thirty for thirty film titled say out it is the story of how junior sale became one of the greatest NFL linebackers of all time only to have his life end in a tragedy that would rock the leak. And I would argue still reverberates today start your subscription is and plus retrial. You can watch those all right time to play the music. I wanna make the spy ring right back people. We know Jimmy Butler preferred list of teams to be traded to the nets Nixon clippers with the clippers being his ideal destinations, we'd be happy with that sentence lose the team porcine in extension with. So the theory is the incentive for the wolves to trade in there as they get more back for him. What about a team? Not on this list, Jackie. Do you think anybody else we were just talking about Philadelphia. Do you think anybody else. Start to make. Oh, so we we were talking off camera about the three teams, the nets, the Knicks and the clippers and the packages they may put together. I find them all to be incredibly underwhelming. I'm right. We were just talking about shea Gill. Alexander everybody says it's going to be a flat out star and how the clippers probably wouldn't want to include him right. Something like that. So if I'm another team, I'm gonna throw my junk. I don't wanna say junk. I'm going to put on my stuff out. I'm gonna throw. I'm gonna make on many levels Jackie. Go ahead. You know, I'm gonna make my offer. It's not going to be the best offer, but at least you know, I'm in the ballpark and and if you if you don't answer my call, why am I any worse for the wear Toronto, not on Kawhi Leonard preferred list, and of course Oklahoma City on, I'm Paul George's preferred list. So there's precedent for this. Worked out for one of those teams TVD Toronto. I think there will be a team, you know, it could be a team that's so good that they think we're going to be a sixty one team right away, and that'll be enough. It could be a team like the heat who is desperate in an celery cap. Hell in always has faith up. If we get a guy here in south beach, in our culture, we can sway him or could be a team with a big salary. This look, even if this guy's pretty good worse in trapped in such salary jail. If we if we've moved the salary for Jimmy and Jimmy leaves and we get off that salary, it's still like a net neutral. Miami is a really, really good. We know how Jimmy Butler nd Wayne Wade are. I mean, even after they parted made in part ways, but even after they were in Chicago, they still spend time trav-. Together in the summer plus think about their culture. They worked their tails off. It's all about defense and body fat, and they had the hardly the best owner in the NBA in Mickey. Yeah. So Jimmy would be where he confessed rated with some of the players in the locker room. The presumption is that he would be all in on the team culture. Although look Tom would argue that he has been trying to set that same team culture with the wolves doing the body fat thing though. Just wondering because you know the heat, do that still do do just crazy. Write a whole book someday on all the ways guys tried to beat the body fat index, right? The mood. They also do the ipad thing. Yeah. They all have stories, have stories. Publicly on television. Jackie MacMullan is one of my favorite humans on earth. We can move on just all the. Let's go team. Let's go to a team basketball. Why do they always do that? Why. That is Jimmy Butler list Knicks and I'm media day with a lot more of those pictures. The teams has been adamant about not trading graphics or young players upcoming free agents Dino's even after the Jimmy Butler news broke reiterated it to day. This is fresh quote. We feel comfortable with our organization where we're going, what we're developing here. We think when it's time to go after free agents, we'll be a place that will attract those free agents. We shouldn't use our draft picks like that. Instead, we will go out and attract dies speaking like an organization that traded a boatload of Denver for a guy that could have gotten. I'm just saying it is a is a tent pole decision among the New York Knicks history that would assume they regret clearly they do, and they regret a lot of other things that have happened in the last senior. Again. I look. I don't see if they're going to trade fraternity Butler. I don't think I don't think they would ever put in what the wolves would want. And I think they're being honest, I'm gonna take them at their word. They've said it over and over again. I think they're keeping Knox Miller kina and they're picking those are the three big assets that they have bet they keep all three. And if you're the timber wolves, those are the three asset you want unless you want to give me a Kristaps Porzingis which we all know break. This is why I think it's going to be interesting to follow his Jimmy Butler thing because if you take the three teams and you see what they, what they're offering, if on the timber wolves, that is not what I want for Jimmy Butler. I need somebody to give me something different. See, I'm I'm of the belief that it's worth whatever you decide you can live with. Maybe it's just one of those guys you mentioned right? Partying the way with them or, you know, maybe knock, she me just want whatever you decide right ever. There's always something I do that trade for six pack of whatever, whatever it is something that is your low. Well, of course, I would do if it's going to be that that make the offer because. Exactly. I do think that sometimes team sort of just decide that, oh, well, that would never get it done. And then you have these teams stuck with. They are stuck with players who don't want to be there, but I'm telling you, Tibbs is stubborn, stubborn, you wait, and you wait and wait, and maybe a big star gets hurt on one of these other contending teams, and then you trait Jimmy Butler if I'm him, why am I trading him? Now? I can't think of one. Good reason. Why if I'm Tibbs trading Jimmy Butler right now. Well, how poisonous do you think the locker room environment was anyway, we'll be clearly was anyway, we're hearing about it. That's the only difference they played. They made the playoffs. Let Jere with that poison. His line, I think they would make it again this sure if they'll sit together. I mean, the left is loaded, but I think if Jimmy and Carl or healthy, that's a good team, not a great team, but good team. I mean, I it is. It's tough dynamic, and and Tibbs is obviously as we know it, tough coach, right? I mean, he's not known for sort of Phil Jackson like sessions of people getting out there. Feelings. He's not. He's not a. He's not a cuddly buries a grizzly bear, right? But you know what? That's supposedly what Jimmy Butler wanted a grizzly bear. Right. I mean, in terms of making. Well, I mean, I think you have some point. You just say, hey, you're all men were paying a lot of money. Do your job. I don't wanna hear anything more. Jake do your job or go on the court and play hard. We play well, we focus on the stuff that tips teaches. They're gonna win forty, eight forty, nine fifty games, but it looks like the ship assailed. I would also say in that instruction, maybe stay off the social media for a while because. That's not helping out. I don't know. I wouldn't pick a fight with Stephen Jackson. I just don't understand where anybody's decided to do that at all. We're going to have stack on the show. As I said tomorrow, live from Philadelphia training camp finally opens usually in the month leading up to train in campus, super quiet that has this year, but I'm excited for basketball star getting played again. Thank you to these lovely people for joining us. We will see.

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"Mass incarceration is a crisis that has harm millions of people especially black people, Joe Biden, promising ACLU volunteer that if elected, he'd reduce incarceration levels by fifty percent to make that promise real. He should commit. Now to release anyone who has served half a drug sentence we must address this racism can start by rolling back the misguided war on drugs paid for by the American Civil Liberties Union Inc rights for all dot org. Remember, to request your absentee ballot for more information visit, I am a voter dot com. Ob Catching. Berries. Triple Lahser. Much expected to make it. Still, giving me chills even I watched it again for the hundredth time. Walk into the jump on. George Sodano filling in for our fearless leader. Rachel Nichols joining me today are Amino has our front office insider in the Great Hall of Famer Jackie macmullan. Thank you guys for joining me coming up. Should we expect an MVP Game three versus the heat today, we'll discuss that a little later but I. Have to get back to the incredible finished between the Celtics and raptors last night. Boston thought they had the game won when Kemba Walker dropped an absolute dime to Daniel Thais who had the dunk there to give the Celtics a two point lead with a half a second left. But as we all know how this movie ends now you see it there no gina nobody the big shot a perfect pass from Kyle lowry. So Jackie Mac did the raptors snapped back the series momentum after nearly falling behind three games to none I think. So listen the difference between a two one series and three to nothing is everything absolutely everything and this is a Toronto team that by the way wasn't lacking in confidence to begin with. Now you've given them life hope and momentum and I think the Celtics it was it was a miscommunication on a rotation out of the zone defense I. Think people be are green weather they should have been in the zone but communication with these young guys that was the difference lack of communication the Celtics better win this series they'll. They'll be hearing about this game for the rest of the fall. Into Christmas. Yeah. No Jackie's right. Know I was talking with our producer Danny before the show today and I said, sometimes, the series score can obfuscate what the actual intensity the competition is. What I mean by that is you know it was a close game to Toronto had a chance to win the loss you lose you lose a close game three all of a sudden you down three. Oh it sounds like, oh, my God we're nowhere near as good as his team rather than we had an opportunity be up to one ourselves in this series. You get this win. Now you're down to one you're giving yourself an opportunity because if you're gone down three Oh, that's it. The oxygen has left the building. We might as well start packing because as we know, it's never happened in NBA history a team going out three Oh and still winning yeah it would have been one, two, three Cancun or three to one Cancun. However, you want to describe it at that particular point four Toronto let's put that graphic backup though we can real quick. As the tale of the two halves, I thought was interesting and Jackie will start with you. The three point shooting has been pretty poor for Toronto, who is normally a good three-point shooting team They shot twenty three percent in the first half, which was somewhat on par with what they had shot in the first two games at twenty, seven percent through two games. But in that second half, forty, four percent that's more like what we've seen for Toronto, his at least throughout this particular season. Well, and the Celtics have a great three point defense they have throughout the regular season and once they got inside the bubble but great shooters find a way to get open and great shooters eventually get rhythm. Guys who hit a whole bunch of shots they regress back to their means the to me the biggest stat George was in this game was transition points. If the if the Raptors get tradition points, they're gonNA usually have a good chance of winning. It was fourteen to two in fast-break baskets. In this game, it's funny George. Asked about the three pointers I keep thinking about those last two plays a Kimball Walker Pass. Daniel ties and then obviously the lowry pass the Og Anobi I. Think the defense was terrible. I thought that was like a split second thing where you gotta help and you also gotta go out and recover and I thought offenses did a great job of kind of hiding where they were going with it and then getting their guy in the last second and when you look at Oj in Novi put up, he didn't get a nice comfortable catching newt he barely touched the ball. So The buzzer people were questioning second guessing what Brad Stevens or even when Nick nurse did on the other and kind of silly these two great events that got beat by better offense. But to your point, I mean I would say that you know the comfortable catching shoot has been a problem for Toronto in this series uncontested three point shots twenty-seven percent through two games and yesterday they were able to nail a lot of those shots eight-member tested or contested. What did you see that was different though in regards to the three point shooting other than just making it was there anything different? We have a segment on this show George called what it's a maker mislead and what that's talking about a lot of people. What does that mean? What does that mean? It means that when you're talking about the highest caliber shooters in the game where which is what we have, we look at the global basketball playing audience you're talking about sometimes the defense has nothing to do with whether you made or missed the shot and the reality is the best three point defenses in the NBA aren't the ones that hold their opponent to low percentages they're the ones. That don't let the other team, even shoot the three. That's the best three point defense is a lack of attempts not a lack of percentage. All right. Let's move on. Let's shift gears to game one of the nuggets and Clippers series. The game was tied at thirty one after the first quarter but then la outscored by eighteen, the second quarter and really never looked back after that. So I mean was last night's twenty three point blowout more about fatigue for the nuggets coming off a seven game series or just a bad match up here with the clippers. Definitely but fatigue was definitely more in play here and you saw it you saw how they went from the beginning of the game where it's competitive and they're going back and forth, and then the clippers building that separation you sensitive fatigue. You could sense that the weary legs going seven games in a very pressure packed series. By the way, they weren't a whole lot of blow outs where we sat. Our best players for the last fifteen minutes of the game happening in that series between Denver and Utah. So that was a lot of effort is expended not only to come back from three one down. But also within each one of those victories was a hard victory. Meanwhile, the clippers dismissed sitting around resting and waiting. This is definitely more case of fatigue, but also it's not a great match of either. I couldn't agree more I mean and you mentioned the fatigue you mentioned the physical fatigue but I, think there's a great emotional fatigue to after you win a big game seven like that and you don't even have a chance to enjoy it because within hours you're already in the film room looking over the clippers and how can we stop Kawhi Leonard which is by the way you can't that's in the answer. So I. Think, I think the emotional fatigue has as much to do with it as a physical fatigue and Jomar was asked to do lots of his three but I just keep looking at Yokich, I keep looking at Yokich there the nuggets at their best not when Mari scores fifty although that was really fun but it's when the two of them running their picking role to perfection. That's when they have a chance at being the best. I do think the fatigue part is you mentioned Jackie. Both physical and emotional plate apart and nothing was a better example of that Ben in the post game interview after game seven. This is when I knew the nuggets were in trouble for Gabe one. Here's Jamal Murray with Scott Van Pelt. Between now and Thursday, what do you do? We think Thursday. Right there, that's what I knew. Oh baby a tough one for a the nuggets against the Clippers Jackie. Not. Fair enough fair enough. Shot. Genuinely like pardon me. What will you say that? Excuse him what Coming up next Steve Nash is hiring as the new head coach of the Knicks sent shock waves through the league but is he ultimately the right coach Katy and Arri and the rest of that Brooklyn Roster. Discuss this after a quick break. The Jones is brought to you by Michelob Ultra get your michelob ultra court tickets by tweeting Hashtag ultra courtside. Goodyear knows why we all love basketball. It's the sound of the Buzzer, the roar of the crowd, the Swish of the net it's the spin on the ball as it's released the squeaking sneakers before an inbound pass. 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He's active maybe he's the missing. Boston for this whole time Jackie they're big fans of his yet the big. Well. Yes. I think it was just earlier in the year he had trouble with some of the defensive rotations George I think he's got that down now obviously a super big athletic lively bodies they need that. Next Miss Hope. Collide drop the easy twenty, nine points on twelve of sixteen shooting. You pretty much got any shoddy wanted here. Jackie is it time to just double Kawai? If you're the Denver Nuggets, maybe triple them. Listen I every time. I asked coaches about double team. They say you can't double team great players anymore because they have great court vision. They'll make you pay. You know what don't tell them all the time but I'm still gonNA take my chances get the ball out of Tom. Habits. tweeted this stat today that. Eighty percent in the playoffs. That's right. Lady Gentleman Eighty Percent Andrea will go from ten to fourteen feet. That's around that free throw line area. Yeah I think hoping abandoned at this point. Yeah. Pretty wild eighty that is just mind boggling number. Yeah. That's wild. Make Pain. Brad wanamaker goes baseline here. and. He Catches Kyle lowry below the belt with a high knee. After the game lower said quote, obviously I have balls of steel. Amine and Impressed by his toughness. Yeah like. You wearing let's All Old I. Just wait. I've got word right now Oklahoma City wants a wire Brad wanamaker Chris Paul wants another study. Oh. I very rarely feel out of my element when I'm talking about MDA stuff when it comes to balls of steals I'm sorry I must defer no problem. Totally understood I must defer miss panic. For. The fourth time in the bubble Kemba hit a buzzer beater at the end of quarter. Jackie. How is he doing this? It's incredible. You, know Kim we're told me once he was so small growing up. He had to learn that quick crossover and that great step back and by doing. So it got him the separation. He needs to hit big shots. He does this in his sleep. This is nothing new for nothing new, and again, if not for an og on an OB player, we're talking about that Kemba Walker look away passing Daniel Tights for the game. Yeah, he is incredible down the stretch of games. He's been that way really since we I laid eyes on them in college for sure. Next may since Rice High School? Well, that's true. Excellent point make denials offensively N. P. J. as looked impressive in the bubble but last night he tried to dunk on Trez any just didn't know. So well, I mean Puerto Junior finally getting his welcome to the NBA moment here. Yeah after the last couple of quick Nice Games in the bubble he's come back down to Earth. He's realizing Oh when I started to play every day and have a scouting report and they're not GonNa let me get shots and it's not as easy as I thought. So that's why I always say preaching patients with Mike reported union he's going to be great one day that is not today. And you know what can we just give them a little slack think about the arduous journey he's been through was not part of the rotation cons in plays in some ballgame everyone now notices him and they've got all the is on them. I'm giving this kid of pass. With Jack Myself I think I think you could be both right. I Would Jackie more on this but look Michael Porter Jr. for the Denver Nuggets to take that leap, we expect them to take. It's going to be a lot on Michael Porter Jr., shoulders particularly offensively moving forward. So but let's move forward ourselves with some news outside of the NBA bubble on Thursday the nets signed two time MVP Steve Nash has their new head coach. This was a surprise move given the national doesn't have any previous head coaching experience and. They're very high expectations for this team next season. So I mean you work with the suns during the Nash Era. Do you think that he's the right coach for this particular Brooklyn Nets team? Not. Just the natural but shaw marks with us for two years too. So I know both of these guys pretty well. He's definitely brings attributes and traits that I think are unique to the situation. So the XS and Os are beyond question. He's one of the greatest basketball minds we've ever had in his game and what separates them from a lot of other great players. He's got a great way of verbalizing it of making things simple so that people can understand and see what he sees. A lot of eight players don't have that trade, but the other part I think this is the thing that's going to separate him pretty much everyone the other coaching candidates. Div? Nash is a different Dude. He's got interest outside of basketball. This game is not his life. He's not confined in a box and we McKinnon drank kyrie irving to superstars who pride themselves on being different dude on the WHO fashion themselves intellectuals as having interest outside of basketball. That's why Steve is the right guy for the job the nose you can argue one way or another but the ability to connect with someone who's just very different from your standard average MBA player even NBA star, that's the part that's going to make a difference. And here's the thing. Does it matter whether we think he's the right guy for the job I hate to break it to all of us know it doesn't what matters is Kyrie actually in this order does K., D. and Kyrie can they agree that he's the right man for the job and Sean Marks knows him has has history with him. All of this makes sense to me I. I can't help but compare Steve Nash to Steve Kerr the man he's been consulting with the Golden State Warriors and and we knows very well because I the man you just described to me I think that fit Steve Kerr's description. As well, another guy who came in without coaching experience although I guess Steve This was probably a little better player. We give them that by the way on that point Jordan I, want to jump in here I understand what Stephen a Smith was saying yesterday, and there is a conversation that needs to be had about race and hiring practices in this league and really across the country. However, in this game in basketball, we have traditionally given superstars the Disneyland fast past to cut the line we did it for magic for the President Job. We did it for Jason Kidd for the coaching job in Brooklyn, we did it flies. Come coming. Taking over the Toronto Raptors we've done it time that we did it for Larry Bird Going Indiana, we've done it time and time again, and that's the thank you that we give to the superstars are game is built on them. The only reason any of us have job is because superstars make this game possible. So speaking as someone who worked in the League and had to go along route starting an intern. And video coordinator et Cetera et CETERA working my way up I understand the superstars don't have to take that path you know why? Because they already did it when they carry this league on their shoulders well, and to that point I, do think the relationship part of this matters you guys alluded to right and there is a strong bond there particularly as Jackie mentioned between K. D. and Steve Nash. Right me. Absolutely you know people say Steve Has No coaching experience that's false. He's been in Golden State. He worked with guys on the four guys in the film room specifically, Kevin Durant. If you've ever been warriors game and you've seen Kevin Durant do weird kind warm upshots where he does a squad on one leg comes back up and shoots it without ever putting the other like down. Those are all from the Steve Nash up stuff. This is all things that Kevin Durant at the top of his game and MVP a files. MVP. Looked at the United said, you can teach me more and that's such. A huge part about this is that the idea that these players like Jackie said? Durant and the Kyri look at Steve Nash as someone who can teach them more not just a caretaker not a guy puts them in the right position someone who can teach them more about the secrets of this game, and ultimately that's what it's about. It's that respect back their one last thing when people talk about player empowerment, this is player empowerment. Getting what you want as a viewer or broadcaster or a former player. It's what these players want. This is player empowerment in basically manifesting itself. I think too. It's important dimension here that Sean marks really liked Jacques von really wanted if he couldn't get Steve Nash to give Jacques Bond. This head coaching job Jacques von remains on the staff and I can tell you I. Remember when Larry Bird took over that job that you mentioned I mean he wanted Rick Carlisle `biocyte someone that and do. People that had been there before veteran coaches and Jacques von has been a head coach on two different occasions and so he's going to be very valuable. The Steve Nash and it's smart to keep them there and John Von has become the highest paid assistant. Now after this hiring of Steve Nash Jackie One question about Kyrie we've spent a number of minutes you're talking about the relationship with Kevin Durant and Steve Nash can he forge a relationship with? Kyrie what needs to happen for him to forge a relationship with Kyrie that maybe some other coaches haven't been able to forge with him? Well. He's already at if distinct advantage because Kyrie cares about ballers and Steve. Nash was a two time MVP. Slam Dunk. Hall of Famer and Calgary is a student of the game. He knows that I'm sure he's watched film with Steve Nash Steve Nash has already years ahead of coaches that he's had that didn't play. Now I think it can be a great coach without playing the game. We have plenty of evidence of that, but it doesn't matter what I think. It matters what Kyrie things. All right let's. Every every player that runs pick and role in this league as what Steve Nash State every pick and roll point gardeners league has watched the national. League. Let's move on here. Here's what the jump recommends for today Zach Lowe, our buddy writes about the massive opportunity that James Harden has against the Lakers to rewrite. He's entire postseason reputation head over to the ESPN APP to read it during this quick break because. We're going to be breaking down that series coming up next. A? Only. 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Arrested Lakers team. So what are you anticipating about that match up? Had I. Ask. Magic. Tonight Game One of the Western Conference semi's between the rockets and Lakers at nine eastern six Pacific on ESPN ESPN reporters and the ESPN APP. Welcome back to the jump mean and Jackie Max still this year, we're only five hours and change away from tip off between the Houston Rockets in the Los Angeles Lakers and the Lakers haven't played since Saturday. Meanwhile, the rockets just forty eight hours to regroup after being taken to the brink by the okay. See Thunder in seven games slugfest Jackie are you more or less confident in the rockets after their play in the first round? Well. There's one portion of the rockets that I'm much more confident about, and that's their defense. George, who would have guessed that Houston Rockets would be the answer to the question who had the best defensive rating in a series in the bubble so far that was the answer for the Houston Rockets. I still have some concerns about James Harden and for that matter Russell Westbrook in terms of how they manage a in crunch time can close the deal you know Zach Lowe has a wonderful story about Hardin on our site today. One of the things he talked about was elimination gains. James Harden those games averaged over five turnovers. A game people are so focused on his shooting. I'm more focused on. Can you take care of the ball for both of those guys? The doors. Were Jackie said is absolutely correct. Defensively they've been fantastic and they've managed to play bigger than what their size is a now. Two different ways against the Lakers on the one hand. Anthony. Davis is way more talented than Stephen Adams. So stopping him as a lot harder on the other hand, we've seen Anthony Davis kind of fall in love with his mid range mid post game and that kind of plays into what Houston wants to do defensively. So I think one of the things for the Lakers is ability to maintain identity. I. Think that's the latest battle. The series is going to be who is going to be able to impose their identity on the face of this series more. JERE point mean Anthony. Davis needs to be the best big man on the floor and he may be the only big man on the floor, which is something. He's been reluctant to do at times I. Think in this series, it's more important than ever to be able to take advantage of his sizes, athleticism strength and all of the gifts that he has. A but I'll ask you this because this is something you and I have discussed even recently on my radio show in la about the Lakers potential struggles against teams that liked to play four and five out what are your thoughts on this matchup 'cause they're definitely going to be five guys around the perimeter. How do the Lakers stack up in that regard? Yeah that's imposing of identity thing. I was talking about the idea ideas that if you look at the Lakers, the games loss or were close losses for them during the regular season particularly. From marching before is any team that spread the floor, any team that had five guys on the perimeter in the big three point shooter or their big was a guy who initiates a lot of offense from the top when they did that the Lakers really struggled they didn't want their bigs don't want to leave the paint couldn't play really the I out or They're forced to play Anthony Davis at the five is a position. He doesn't quite like and when they go small like that with Davis at the five and. Four they got played a bunch of times by some of these smaller teams. So if Houston is able to trick the Lakers into playing small to matching up with them, then I think Houston has the upper hand. However, if the Lakers can maintain their identity, we know we're going to play basketball the way it's always been played with two bigs on the floor. Then I, think they've got a great advantage over the rocket Jackie. You mentioned Zach Lowe's article on harden and the kind of the huge opportunity to kind of change the narrative and potentially take down the broad and the Lakers and companies. So what version of hardened do you expect to see in this series? Well. It's got to be the hardened that scores Twenty eight, thirty, one points a game they need that from him but I do think it's interesting. Would mean is discussing here in terms of whether frank foldable blink and stick with his regular line of which gets developed the game minutes into Howard minutes and those guys or if he does go small. So that's why even we talk a lot about harden and Westbrook the guy we should really be. Full on in this series is Pizza Tucker. He's the one that's going to be trying to guard Anthony Davis and and we know he gives up sighs and all that. But PJ Tucker's proven to be very resilient in this role. Since they've gone small ball, he's been a very central part to them. He benefited the most anybody from this pandemic because he was exhausted before we stopped play and now he's rested up and ready to take on these. X. Factor name the guy you know very well Jeff Green he's been playing lights out his ability at six, nine, two plans a big but shoot threes as well as he has, that's a game changer for the rockets as well. All right coming Jeff Green has had I. I can't count how many place or I'm sorry George. We have a little delay what I was just going to say that Jeff Green. I he's played I can't count how many teams he's played for and I get teased every time I mean I think this is it oh my gosh, he's Back. Hey Hey I, Love Jeff. Green. Personal and. You and everyone else in the NBA Kennedy. Jeff Green's a wonderful person. Yeah. But I do think that he may have found himself a nice home in in this particular on this particular team for sure. All right. Coming up next, you'll see our ESPN cover story on the projected number one pick in the upcoming. NBA. Draft Lamelo. Ball. He's trying to step out of the shadows of his brother, Lonzo, and of course, Father Lavar stick around. We've got back coming up in just a second year on the. Junkin. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent on car and motorcycle policies? That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your teenager to help around the house? Okay mom I emptied the dishwasher vacuum the basement and folded the sheets out of the dryer. Oh and next I'm going to clean litterbox in some kind of prank show or something. That's a camera isn't it? There's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by. October. Seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. Remember to request your absentee ballot for more information visit I am a voter dot com. Take another dribble ANTHRO Zita. Businesses. Go. Lamelo ball is the most famous player in the. NBA draft who wants to end up. But he also remains. Its biggest mystery. Eighteen experience a bit high would not want. Mellow ball is in the conversation for being the first pick. NBA draft hated high school athlete of all Sunshine and say they want to edit says laundryman it'd be number one. NBA? Number one peaking the NBA. Out Say. Okay good. Now lamelo ball is setting out to prove his talent. Measures up to his fame. Turnaround. Look profile. As. I'm Tim Cuban and this is ESPN covers story. Job One hand. Go. To haircut cut. Behind Yes Hor. Go. I ask your dad what would have happened if one of his sons had said dad? I don't WanNa play basketball when I want to be a veterinarian, what do you think his response was? He would elect. You'd like Danielle is and just laugh for. Like that here. So she talking about. What as could you tell mellow is built for this as before he came. Put together a plan and been working on ever since been born. Chino hills high. School in California. lamelo became obvious during an undefeated freshman season. And with three marketable brothers. In. A media savvy father. The big baller brand was born. Definitely the brand is me, you know like something I had in the past. High. School stuff I never forget. Stuff I love. But that shoe called into question. Lamelo. College eligibility. His father. Solution. A move abroad to Lithuania. where. Age. Sixteen lamelo became the youngest American ever to play professionally what do you want to get accomplished while you're? just to get better in this game to play basketball. There's no part of you that when you look at college basketball or High School Prom or any of that stuff that you felt you missed out I allow and I even went to Prom. Never was the type to go to stuff like that pretty much tomorrow. Dan. As a young kid always move my pops it. You WanNa be the best you gotTA sacrifice. That's why I feel like I'm numb to stuff. Lamelo was playing against grown men in a foreign land. Struggled for. Playing time. Averaging, just six points. And two assists in eight games. was his worth. This crash and burn. For Lamelo, it wasn't very good. One former team distract him as lazy and arrogant wasn't really engaged. Lithuania I learned a lot over like you don't really need nobody man like soon as you do it yourself, you don't really matter nobody else. Say you know people's Opinions Not GonNa Affect You Next stop on the global journey. Australia. For the first time without his father by his side, Lamelo set out to silence critics and build an NBA resume. He went from five eleven. I was playing with them about six. Him going over there and having his own team out think that's helped him grow. Playing on his own terms. Lamelo caught the eye of NBA Scouts. Despite playing just twelve games in February he was named Australia's NBA rookie of the year. I never lacked confidence i. Felt like I was born with it. You know. All these philosophers do anything. Take that. Let's go slams ten landfill. Don't. Want Baseline. This unconventional global journey is expected to end with Lamelo, becoming the second ball brothers chosen in the top five picks. Eighteen years. He had the style of play to where he don't to play like every other point guard. He gotTa style play this so unique where he makes everybody don't. Wants draft if. Lamelo Ball knows his game will finally have to speak for itself. He didn't take the traditional route. So everybody is seen him even tell through the highlights he's definitely a special talent. As you look back on all these years striving to get to this point. How does it feel now? Phil Amazing. Man. You know looking back on the work you did. A. Graphic. My Life Start. It's not like you get into the League in there. Are. Made. Now finally started. Great thing about facts they're proven. 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Then it's bucks, Heat Game For the countdown crews back at a get you ready for game two of the West semi's between the rockets and the Lakers. It's crunch time here on the jump John Rant was named rookie of the year Thursday you're ninety nine out of one hundred First Place Votes Zion was a top that one still anonymous ballot. Josh said in response to that one voter I, want to shoot them a direct message and thank them for giving me motivation. The Grizzlies twitter account wasn't as gracious posting good morning to everyone except that one out of one hundred, you know you are. Jackie is it as preposterous to believe that Zion was the top rookies? This season is preposterous. Let me just tell you I m one of those voters and is shaggy says it wasn't me? John. I'm just being real with you, but here's the thing. Zion is tremendous. He captured all of our attention, but he played twenty four games and meanwhile John Maria played a full season average eighteen points seven plus assists was fantastic for a young Memphis Grizzlies team. I don't understand the Jackie he was to me was the obvious. Scared I. Love. My ballot altogether, your but nothing got mixed up there. All right. Well, we'll move on. We've been seeing great video the players families during Games showing their support. The League sent a list of guidelines teams outlining what? Is Not allowed inside the bubble and during games amine should we expect everyone to be on their best behavior in the bubble? Yes with the caveat that sometimes people emotions kind of rise up in these moments and they might yell something. But I think for the most part is not going to be anything because everybody knows the deal everyone knows also you can be removed and and had those privileges revoked. I'm I'M GONNA. Tell You I've been trying to figure out what is the worst job in the bubble and I know what it is. It's the players guest liaison this in charge of all these families to make sure they do everything they're supposed to do to not go places or not supposed to go to not have their kids run onto the court. To not yell at one another do not to get mad at the rest you know something's going to happen come on which human nature it's only yep it's emotions and they run wild sometimes for sure. Hey, let's take a second here to talk about he'd head coach Erik Spoelstra. He's currently tied for the second longest tenured coach in the NBA with record. Lila Dallas and behind Gregg Popovich is at the top amongst those in the NBA Community Spos- widely considered a top five coach of the game. However to casual fans, the echoes have been out there about his success mostly coming when he coached Lebron weight and Bosh because there's so many examples of winning without superstars nonetheless over the last years since his last. Finals Appearance Basketball Aficionados have seen him get the most out of his rosters that have left a lot to be desired at times. Then came this season and these playoffs. Pat Riley found SPO- A top fifteen player to be the leader of his team and Jimmy. Butler. Butler known to test his teammates and coaches alike tried that with bolster during training camp. After that, then Butler went back to his associates and said quote, he's the best coach. I've ever had from there on starring coach fully aligned between sponsors, incredible acumen and the Heat's development program in in some sure deals, Miami found itself outperforming expectations. Again, let's not forget of all the coaches that have coached at least a hundred playoff games in NBA History Erik. Spoelstra has the fourth best winning percentage behind Steve Kirk Phil, Jackson and Billy. Cunningham. That includes a better winning percentage than his mentor Pat Riley. Also. We saw Jimmy Butler Taylor Rachel Nichols. Recently that he believes they can win a championship. His coach also believes that. That's the standard. He helped create again, Star and coached fully aligned fast forward to today we're Miami has a two old lead on the best team in the League and they've made the reigning MVP look mortal. It's no surprise in Miami simply because if you're sleeping on SPO-, you just don't know. Switching gears to the other side Jaanus is widely expected to be named MVP for the second straight season but. He might have the dubious honor of accepting the MVP after getting bounced out of the playoffs. If you can't bring the bucks down from a two deficit Jackie, do you expect to see an MVP performance from Janas in game three tonight? I do and I think Jaanus is prepared to do that I. Think you'll see him play big minutes. I know that Mike was a little careful with him I. Don't think that'll happen I. Think. is going to go out and play forty plus minutes. But here's the one problem that Janas has and I've always said this about great big man he's not the guy that can rely on getting his own shot. Someone has to get him the ball and that's why he needs help from his team-mates. You can't double and triple triple team Jaanus if other players on the quarter hitting shots to make you pay for that so I think it's a little unfair to put it all on Janos even though I know that's how it works in our climate. I don't I think that this is going to perform well, but he needs the other guys to perform with them or it won't matter. George. The first of all didn't you have MVP performance in Game Two twenty nine points innovative from the field fourteen rebounds and a foul away from winning the game. One game we talked about Janas game we wouldn't but the reality is life isn't easy for him because the Miami difficult and that's a lot of it has to do with how what is using him gotta use them on the wing got to get him off the ball. He can't just dribble up in ball is way through these guys because Miami's too good and they've got four guys all six, eight, six, nine, and strongest heck that can move as quick as as Jimmy Butler in out of Bio Day crowder, and of course, Andre Dollar we only have about thirty seconds left here in the show. I'm sorry Jackie would I would I would add to this. He's got to play more to thirty six minutes isn't enough Jackie. And they will play more but the thing about the bucks it's this is just a nightmare matchup for them play the Miami Heat because we know about the box was they basically didn't bother to guard the three point line they sort of made that one of their concessions and as you know, the Miami Heat thirty percent shooting from the three point line all year, this just a bad match up for the Bucks Jackie Back Hall of Famer. Thank you so much. Thank you as well. We are at a time for this week the jump returns Monday at three eastern on ESPN have a great weekend see. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your dentist to actually believe you and your flashing every day? Absolutely great and you're cutting down in your suite of course. Wonderful. Then I don't even need to look in their great see in six months. 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193: Ebbets Field Flannels - With Jerry Cohen

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193: Ebbets Field Flannels - With Jerry Cohen

"If doctors told us that we've made a breakthrough on covid nineteen. we would rejoice. We'd feel hope that we could live our lives again. Get back to work back to doing what we want. While masks are ticket that freedom we can help protect others and save lives by covering our noses and mouths which is how the virus mainly spreads. Until there's a vaccine grabbed the breakthrough. That's already here when we're out it's masks on a message to help keep you safe frontier by the ad council philosophies really to get as close to the real seen as possible. And that's not that in theory complicated partisan practice and can you find those fabrics you know. Can you actually make garment like as main in nineteen fifty to ebbets field. Flannels is a company that makes authentic inspire sports. Everything we make is based on original historical research and made in the united states. We never think about trends. We just stick to what we do. The timelessness is the most important thing athletic garments study golden age or a peak that period for us is roughly between nineteen twenty and nineteen sixty. There is a certain elegance to the design designed lettering that script. Classic looks and i'm jerry historian heart you know whether it's the gauge of the stitch fabric or the different plan. Also you re lease stunning and then is to nations about getting recreated even when people say no it can't be done and we just don't take no for an answer we do. Small batch singular made to order. The center of the product line are authentic historic baseball products. So baseball jerseys soft brown wool cap and the authentic wool and leather sleeve jacket. Now around that al. We've got what we call our grounds crew japhet near now getting deeply into american-made vintage athletic or going to be doing nineteen twenty's nineteen thirty style. Real wolf football and hockey sweaters. We're literally going from american sheet to the wool wool processing to the yarns are meeting. So that's kind of exciting because we get to kind of reinvent another iconic american problem. It's twenty five years and we have tried everything that there is that we could be doing the two words that we like to use our authenticity and timeless although we are making more in different products in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight emission hasn't changed at all. Welcome to good seats still available. A curious little podcast devoted to exploring what used to be in professional sports. Here's your host. Tim handling all right. Let's get this thing underway shall we. How are you my name. Is tim. hamlin as you know by now hopefully And the podcast that you have stumbled across of course is called good seats still available. It's our weekly journey. Each and every week for that matter into what used to be in professional sports. Thank you for finding us. If you're a return guest we welcome you back. If this is the first time you're listening. Well where have you been pull up a chair or have a seat on the stoop or whatever you're doing put us in your earbuds. We appreciate you finding us. And hopefully we Delight you to no end this week. And i think we will. The clip sets it up nicely. Doesn't it you know. Commerce is certainly part of our journeys into the The worlds of defunct and forgotten and relocated teams and leagues in the various stories And lord knows we've got a whole host of great sponsors over the years that have been Frankly essential in helping us. Keep some of those memories and a number of you. Thank you very much for doing so. Have a have explored those Those great sponsors over the years and and continue to To remember those Those same teams and leagues that we talk about here that we try to bring to life in sort of oral history by shirt were cap or a potential You know an item of of historical significance and artifact a you know a program guide whatever it might have been But i think all of us can agree that perhaps sort of the pinnacle of commerce offerings is a site known as ebbets field flannels. Actually it's not a site while it is now ebbets dot com. And you know. Of course were it's named after. Of course the the mighty ebbets field back in the day of brooklyn dodgers fame It was established in one thousand nine eight in seattle of all places by our guest this week. Jerry cohen. yeah he's the founder of ebbets field flannels until recently. It was a store as well as an office in factory. The store unfortunately this year like a lot of things this year kind of just saw its multiple challenge so the pandemic and and Various things of social upheaval. And and just frankly just the idea of of keeping a store afloat. A small business afloat in the in the midst of so many different challenges this year. Unfortunately that showcase store in pioneer square seattle Is is no longer with us. Perhaps it comes back to life at some point. Down the road but ebbets field flannels. Thank you very much is very much alive and continues to do an amazing business. And it's an amazing story and it's an amazing offering and it's best encapsulated in our conversation with jerry cohen. This week It is the quintessential resource for truly antic handcrafted small batch and painstakingly his and historically researched items and garbs of all kinds of things. So they'd be ball caps and shirts and flannels. Of course the original impetus for starting This this firm back in one thousand nine hundred eight was jerry's obsessive search for his own baseball garments say particular abuse of the negro leagues. Which you know the time back in one thousand nine hundred eight. we're still sort of this I dunno not sort of fully culturally embraced thing. Yeah this is obviously Number of years before the ken burns series. And and certainly the the episodes devoted to the negro leagues and sort of a a wellspring of interest Sort of from that. This is even before that. And in that quest. You know jerry And and his colleague. Lisa cooper who joined a couple of years afterwards Really found a niche and then some In not only Trying to recreate and bring back to life some of these original uniforms and jerseys an things related but also frankly surfacing the history involved in all of them and it's a labor of love is it doesn't do it justice it's and it's a passion project and then some but it's it's not you know it's no charity for sure it's a it's a business. Say a small business that continues to chug along very well. Thank you That is just absolutely. I guess. I can't come up with a better description. It's the ultimate expression. I think of this harmony of historic reverence Meeting clothing and in quality at that And there's there's no better place frankly to to Enshrine and frankly have take a little piece of if you will for your own Than at ebbets field flannels which not only is like its namesake sort of implies devoted to various teams and leagues in and around the various incarnations of professional baseball but minor leagues the negro leagues. All those kinds of things but also other sports as well. And it's not just jerseys but jackets and we said jerseys utility shirts hockey sweaters all those kinds of things so ebbets field. Flannels is It's a it's a wealth of great memories and painstakingly Fought through Items that are authentic with a capital. A not only in terms of their deference to the stories And the histories behind them. But frankly the the materials that have been sourced a to create them God forbid they They mimic and you're exactly replicate the authentic Environments from which they come in. And hopefully frankly as a jerry and lisa trying to do for years You know literally try to bring to life. What might have been saved back in the day if you wanted to be wearing. Or perhaps we're lucky enough to be playing For one of these teams in these leagues. And i will tell you like i said before. It's not just A baseball but Lots of old school. Nfl stuff and and college football stuff and hockey stuff and Soccer geeks like myself A newly a created collection of stuff. That actually goes back into the sixties and early nineteen seventies professional soccer scene here in the united states both the american soccer league as well as the north american soccer league and the two leagues that preceded the nsl the united soccer association and the national professional soccer league. These are all topics teams stories and leagues that. We've talked about on this this little show over the years. But if you're looking for for example The united soccer association's san francisco golden gate gales nineteen sixty seven the only year that were around soccer jacket. My god it's gorgeous and it's it's not only is it tailor made and custom made but it is. It is authentic to the very last stitch. Our recent episode on the oakland clippers of the national professional soccer league. You can get a jersey as well as a soccer jacket. These are just gorgeous. How about the chicago. Cats of the american soccer league in nineteen seventy six. I mean these are amazingly well crafted. And i never thought i'd see the day when a be able to find not only jerseys but but things related such as these jackets. These ball caps is fantastic. Just a mere smattering of of the stories. And the items that are found at ebbets field. Flannels the site is abbott's dot com and and the story that That jerry will tell us in the moments to come. It's just fascinating. It's it's a great little look back into why people are fascinated by these by these logos by these graphic designs by these teams by these leagues What used to be in the past. Maybe maybe you weren't even around when some of these leagues existed but but but you have for whatever reasons fallen into the rabbit hole of trying to find out why perhaps you grew up a following a team and maybe wanna understand why that team or how that team came to be in the first place or perhaps what sort of preceded it. All of that stuff. is Imbedded in this great conversation with with the ebbets field flannels founder. jerry cohen born and raised in brooklyn. I by way of Beautiful fairlawn new jersey amir stone-thrower yours truly grew up. How hocus can look it up. And it's not only a story of new york and sports but just sports fandom passion history Authenticity all of those things. All those ideals are all wrapped up in this wonderfully surprisingly Just The a great conversation with jerry cohen. Coming up in just a moment's time and in a special sort of promotional fashion. We've got a A promo code for the first time for our friends at ebbets field flannels. The website is ebbets dot com. That's e. b. e. t. s. dot com. And the promo code that you can enjoy for. The holiday season is good seats. Ten good seats in the number ten. We'll get you ten percent off everything at ebbets field flannels and you know that that the quality is high in the prices are fair. But they're not inexpensive right and and there's a reason because these things at ebbets field flannels are the highest quality stuff. You can find out there if you're going to celebrate any team or league or any sport From the past Ebbets field flannels is the best place to find the best garb out there to commemorate and at ebbets dot com once you find those items By the way not just for yourself. I'm sure you're gonna find some things you can all want for sure But for those sports fans in your life Why not save a little scratch by doing so and using that promo code good seats. Ten again at ebbets e b s dot com. That's ebbets field flannels and lest you think that this is just a promotional schill. It ain't because the whole reason for me taking all this time to finally get in touch with jerry and celebrating ebbets field flannels again. I have purchases from nine hundred eighty nine and nineteen ninety Still sitting in my closet. it's It's a tremendous and special place. And i am honored to have a conversation with the founder of that special place. It's our conversation with jerry cohen. Here it is please as always enjoy first of all. I want to say thank you for taking time and indulging me in this little exploit that i've been doing for almost four years now around sort of this exploration teams and leagues the various stories etcetera for whatever reasons no longer with us. And we try to broaden the The focus a bit too. Not just being sort of pedantic and historical and musty old and you know blow by blow so to speak about some of the stories and stuff and then we tried to elongate it into things like art and design and commerce and culture and all that kind of stuff. Because it's to me. At least i think maybe to a lesser extent. Perhaps you and stuff is fascinating to me. The history of sports especially the stuff. That's no longer around for whatever reasons. And i you know i don't want to sort of Consider yourself a kindred soul. Because i barely know you but i feel like i do because i've been perhaps not as a consistent a customer but certainly one of your earlier customers from way back when all of that is just a way elongated way of saying thanks for for being part of the conversation and maybe you could help our audience a little bit by giving us some background as to who you are and how the idea of ebbets field flannels came about in the first place. Sure love to Well obviously my name jerry cohen. But i've been doing this about thirty two years so that would take us to nineteen eighty-eight when we started and you know what you said resonates with me quite a bit. I think we are kindred spirits. Because i've always been more fascinated by the road. Less traveled in sports. And as i used to say to people who need another yankees cap It was way more satisfying for me to to be kind of an an archivist and historian and uncovered things. Nobody had known about or very few nerdy people like myself maybe new of but but nobody else so It's it's amazing. How much has changed in that time. But how much has not changed and the passion for doing things that are unusual and finding stories that maybe have not been told Remains kind of driving the driving force era of its field. What's your what's your background. That got you started into. This was a graphic design commerce at the completely different absolutely no business background and no clothing. Background So to to go back a little ways you know i was a kid growing up in the sixties as my coming of age with sports and the new york area and i loved forever reason graphics Like on caps and on football helmets on uniforms was the thing that i really fell in love with so the baseball cards or other kids would get him for the player. I'd get him to see the uniform changes and Back in the black and white days of time kids before your time You know it was the only way for me to see the color uniforms in baseball so every year when the new cards came out. I'd run and get them. Just so i could see what the washington senators uniform look like or whatever it was And then i drew them a little bit. I'm not a great artist myself. But i do have a very very good Graphic sense of what looks right. And what what doesn't and i think that sort of served me when i started the company because fast forward to nineteen eight. I was a musician playing in bands locally in seattle. And i wanted one of those old flannel baseball shirts and couldn't find one and Bought a couple of things that were very disappointing. And that's really what got me obsessed and led me into researching the fabrics and the woolen mills and the original Artisans i call them artisans but they were just regular workers back in the day who created this stuff And that's really what got me started. And i think my passion and my intrest really was Enough that i was able to overcome lack of experience and lack of initial Business sense. Perhaps i had enough of it to keep going but But i think just just my enthusiasm. For what i was doing and the message is what i think one people over and allowed us to to establish a little foothold in in this area. Well how do you get over the hump and go from idea and research and just passionate interest into the mechanics of getting if you will. Maybe you didn't even think about it at the time it company up and running because you know in some respects you you have the benefit of not knowing what you don't know and in some cases especially when you don't know what you're getting into it's actually a a benefit because you're not sort of overwhelmed by all the negative and scenarios that prevents you from going forward. Well that's what. I meant exactly what i meant by enthusiasm. I was so enthusiastic. I mean nothing about this. Business was conventional had no college education. I had no business education. Certainly i didn't know even what a financial statement was You know someone suggested. At the beginning that i write a business plan and my answer was what's that so i had to go learn how to you know. I think people really who are younger. Appreciate it much. How how much you had to work to do things that we take for. Granted on a couple of computer clicks on the internet. Now i don't mean to be the old guy saying how great things were in the old days because a lot of ways they weren't however for example to do that business plan. I had to go to the library. And rent typewriter time you know to use a professional grade typewriter to write bright. My business letters in that sort of thing so And then all the research was physical had to travel to places where their archives and libraries and photocopy machines and and that's you know the first few years i did a lot of that So you know. I it was made it sound like it was difficult and it was but like you said i didn't know what i didn't know and it was all fun for me because it was a journey. You know it was a journey of exploration and the more. I found the more excited i was. That made me feel compelled to create products that i hoped would Get other people excited. How did you know that there would be I guess for lack of a better term market Didn't there was no. I think people thought i was insane. Some people but But i didn't and And and i thought you know if we if we do something with beauty and with integrity and with authenticity People will will come enough people to to get us going. And that's actually what happened. Well so talk to me about that. Authenticity thing because if anything That's that loses out of this brand has for decades now is is that Whether it's by design so to speak or or by happenstance i don't think it's happenstance. Your your brand stands for has stood for being authentic. i think to the point of being Not only well researched but maybe even painstakingly. So i if. I remember some of the stories about some of the items that have been birth over the years or recreated or discovered so to speak. I gotta think things like photography microfiche oral histories and and other kinds of things have have not only sort of unearthed these things. But but it's pretty clear to me that you've taken quite a bit of time and effort and pride frankly in in trying to make sure you get it right well absolutely and i think that does come through. You don't have to be an expert at something to appreciate the attention to detail that that you know. Not just my company but many others i could think of are known for and and what I say now to people because there's a lot of people doing it is any idiot with a website can be a t shirt company and throw a logo on a t shirt and and frankly more there are more and more of those folks God bless him but it actually takes some work and commitment to create garments the way they were made in nineteen fifty or nineteen forty or nineteen thirty and to do that. Well i mean. In many cases we've had to go to and fabric suppliers and actually ask them to produce fabric that hadn't been produced half century. Which i can tell. You is not an easy trick. so yeah i mean i think going to that level of extreme to get something right Hopefully as appreciated in and anytime you know with social media now There's a lot more. I would call superficial commentary than there used to be so sometimes people will just react to price and say fifty dollars for a baseball cap and our answer is always yes only fifty dollars for the greatest vintage baseball cap. That is possible. The by that will last you lifetime. So i think context is really everything But because the sports market in general is flooded with so many different apparel products of varying degrees of quality most made off shore It's if you're if you think that Certain cap companies cap is the is the standard And it's a thirty five dollar cap and then someone comes along at fifty dollars Maybe that person doesn't quite understand the context and usually wanted to explain well. This is what we're doing we're sourcing. Original wolves were s- hand selling felt lettering etc. You know then then Then maybe it's a little more appreciated. So i was never interested necessarily in being. We can't be the biggest. There's there's companies that are much bigger than we are but we can be the best at least what we do and we try to focus on that now. Obviously the name ebbets field obviously is is evocative of a brooklyn. I don't know if that has any personal resonance for your. Yeah i'm fr-. I'm from there. And and in fact. I was born the first year. There was no brooklyn dodger. Baseball was the here. I was born in brooklyn. So i i like its first of all. It's a little tip of the hat to my dad. The name and then secondly i like this symmetry of the fact that i came into the world The first year there was no brooklyn baseball. And this is sort of a way of connecting with that And so and it. Just it's alliterative the company name so When i thought i kinda liked it well it's also it's also cosmic in that respect to right sort of a circular so then Obviously though baseball right was the first and perhaps at the time of its founding only right which lends itself not only well the idea of a baseball uniform or jersey right very especially historically fabric centric right so that's you can see where that overlap sort happened. So so why baseball. And i think i kind of know some of the reasons why specifically baseball and then y where and how do you even start like to circle around where within this sort of big monstrosity known as baseball because there's minor leagues. There's there's foreign teams there's negro leagues. There's there's major league baseball that kind of stuff. How do you start. How do you carve out your little niche to start with. Yeah hiring out in it is is exactly what we did Well we we were telling his story and we want it to be heard and then occurred to me that the way to be hurt is to to tell stories that maybe we're not told her over told and for that reason the thing the to areas i focused on initially For very good reasons in different reasons. Where the negro leagues and The the old pacific coast league meaning up through nineteen fifty seven before the dodgers and giants took their main territories so in the case of the negro leagues. The connection is jackie robinson. If you jackie robinson our company me you think. Jackie robinson because that almost ties everything together growing up. That's what my dad talked about. You know that the type of player he was was my dad modeled himself after so the aggression you know the fierceness and also this obviously the the the social aspect of the fact that you know the indignities is individual had to go through simply to play a game that was very inspiring to six seven years old and and at that time. We're not that far removed from that story so that was really in the. And if you start with jackie robinson he said well where does that go always follow the the so go to the source go to the roots and and if you go before the brooklyn dodgers you go to the negro leagues. Where where. Jackie robinson played one year on the kansas city. Monarchs and that took me into the history of the negro leagues and and once i got there. I'm like oh my god people need to know about this. Of course everybody knows about it now but at the time there wasn't a forty two day major league baseball. There really wasn't any and there wasn't a ken burns baseball movie with bucko neil talk about it. So this was not known history. There were a few researchers and sabre people and people like that. Of course he knew about it but there were no apparel products. Certainly and so. I thought what a great opportunity to tell that story. And if we get the uniforms right people can maybe get as inspired. I feel about learning about This area of history. So that's that was one thing the other thing moving to seattle in the eighties and reading about the history. The pacific coast league another thing not generally known was major league. Baseball used to be a reality. Intensities with saint louis the farthest west. So you had three teams in new york to in philadelphia to in boston to saint louis so only ten cities in the entire country no television so in the pacific coast the coast was really a defacto third major league and also the The quality of play was nearly equal to major league. So you had joe dimaggio out of that league Ted williams come out of that league left. He'll do all And so those teams had their own following their own histories their own. You obviously uniform histories. All were were very very different and again had not been generally appreciated or seen so. That was an obvious area for me to to to explore so starting from there you know then you get into the other minor leagues and their histories and then you go to cuba and then i went to mexico. These are physical trips. I made by the way to cuba. Nineteen ninety-three to the mexican baseball hall of fame in nineteen ninety four And and and those were all kind of launching pads into these little relatively obscure areas in history. Yeah so there's almost. That's the word i keep coming back to here in your what you're describing is almost this almost feels like a history project versus even anything commercial. You can call us. Historians the rich story tradition of american sport is our archive. We started the company in nineteen eighty-eight part hobby part obsession with the belief that the original thing is already perfect. This is more about curing about creating to craft handmade authentic. Historically inspired sportswear requires a deep commitment to an appreciation for the process. Every single stitch matters each holds its own history tribute to a bygone era fabrics from the highest quality will in mills. The colors barred from the pages of a history book. The lettering reproduce with meticulous care authenticity. That looks back. yes but it also looks forward to longevity to integrity. We call it vintage authentic. You can call it ebbets field. You know what has to happen. There has to be kind of a confluence of history graphics saleability. Obviously were business. We have to make some profit to do what we do We we can afford to have some. You know. I always compare it to I'm i'm happy to bat three hundred. I'm batting three hundred. I'm doing good In in other words if three out of ten ideas are very successful. We're doing really really well. And then i can afford to put out the little story. That only i care about. We don't sell a lot of. But i got the story out but we gotta have those things that drive sales obviously and And so you know if you hit. The history comes together the graphics and the story you know all of that come together Then you've got a successful edgefield. Burn all right. So let's skate into an issue. That obviously gets very challenging and complicated and convoluted right. Which is the realm of so you're describing those things which are At least in the earlier years right. Are i guess from a commercial perspective. And i'm sure you've learned since relatively straightforward and potentially easy to kind of Bring to market. Because i'm guessing most if not all of those logos and trademarks were essentially defunct and were Public domain right at at that time. Yes so so the case yes. So let's because we've talked about this on a couple of different occasions. Are pal whelan. More who lives in. The atlanta metro area was the guy who designed the original atlanta chiefs North american soccer club the cosmos soccer logo some hank aaron Braves era stuff for his the year that he took the home run record. And you know there are. It's very interesting to know when things sort of come and arabic soccer guy and we'll get into that in a minute. Yeah we just started in the cosmos which is did a licensing deal with the cost. Okay so th which is official which is great and number two as a cosco's fan as a kid w yeah and then third right but that that brings up a whole set of issues right so How do you tackle that both then when getting going and then now to stay if you will on the the right side of those things and frankly even discovered to know where any of these trademarks gone and be successful and not sort of infringing. Let's so i'm going to disappoint you in and be a little Clever here because our strategy in that regard is proprietary and does give us a little bit of an edge and has been very successful So i'm not gonna talk too much about how we do what we do I will say however that we always respect people's trademark rights unlike some of our competitors and If there are owners of trademarks we we try to make deals with them in which case where a usually were successful and if there are no trademark owners and someone decides they are one. We are very. Well prepared To tell them usually go pound sand and that's happened quite often because people don't understand trademark law so for example I'll just give you one very early on One of our most successful teams in san francisco seals of the pacific closely. So we're into this. Maybe two three years and we get a letter from some lawyer saying that they have filed a trademark registration for the san francisco seals. And we need to now bow down to them and get permission well. Unfortunately trademark law doesn't work retroactively. You may fool an examiner Occasionally for a short period of time. But you can't sit on trademarks and you can't decide years after something has Passed out of usage. That you you own it. Trademark follows use so in our case we were already using the mark which nobody had owned. And somebody coming after us and deciding they wanted to own it simply because they pay two hundred dollars to the. Us patent trademark office was a failing failed legal strategy and that happened many many many times and And perhaps because you were generating some interest in new in something because you had something commercially viable that brought it to people's attention right so our biggest protection actually actually having products and interstate commerce. So once you do that. It's very difficult for someone later to come back and say oh. You can't do that. Because i think i own this you could. You could make any claim you want. But you won't be successful We have almost never had a situation where somebody has said to us. You're not using this with our permission and we indeed still own this and the one or two times and thirty years of that's happened we've been able to make a a agreements with those entities and then in other cases we just have conventional licensing agreements. Like anybody one. What the nfl One where we've had one with minor league baseball for twenty seven years like that So so to answer your question. Every situation is different. And we're pretty good at knowing what we can do. And what we can't do i will say that. Yeah it's probably. It's really interesting when you go back. And try to sort of follow the trail of say a teams history from city to city or Iteration to ration- And i would imagine even gets more prickly when you get into like for example. I can imagine if let's pick pick a basketball franchise in the nba and the lack of nba stuff in york. Your offerings as maybe telling on this. But like you want to go back to like the basketball association of america which one of the predecessors of the nba. Which itself was about an amalgam of things that were company teams which weren't even professional leagues so to speak. That's as an example. And maybe not the best one in your case but where do you wear to get clear and word. Is it sort of like. Get into complete hayes because i can understand an nba. One into go back all the way into that history and then pull it all the way up to the modern franchise and claim that was an original root for a new jersey nets or whatever that is right. Or i don't want to. I don't want to embarrass any any anybody but The league's themselves have failed at protecting their own trademarks And i and i. I'm not gonna there's one very particular example. I'm not going to name them because we have a relationship but they lost rights to some of the defunct teams even though they were clearly members of that league because they they slept on it and so In fact we wanted to reproduce some of those teams under license and they said we can't give you the rights because we don't have them anymore and and if if smart people listening to this go to our website and see some omissions That's usually the reason why so. So it's it's very very convoluted and it's even if you're the nba or the nfl or major league baseball and the nhl you. You can't necessarily. It's not as simple as saying. Oh the you know the the porch mouths. I'm just picking team at random. I don't know if this is even true. The portsmouth spartans played in nineteen thirty three. Therefore we're going to now registered as a trademark It's not that simple because if there were intervening years when nobody used it and somebody else picked it up. That would be an issue Somebody could object to it. You know So i do have some sympathy for the legal departments of these leagues. Who tried to do this because they have to make a decision on how much money and resources where spending to protect one team that played in the nfl and nineteen twenty two for example. You know what i mean. There's there's no black and white as you probably know. People think trademark laws like copyright. It's totally different. there's no black and white scenario. Every situation is different and unique. Yeah for sure. And this is also now the collision of commerce and business opportunity right which is arguably has gotten much more pronounced over the last decade. Or even you know maybe two right where this is a conversation like this is actually quite big business right versus say you know thirty forty years ago when when it was almost more of a an arcane exercise into figuring out hayward is the kansas city comets sorry where does the kansas city scouts sorry. Nhl history live and do the new jersey devils own that and does the nhl have the ability and or the the capability of going all the way back the beginning franchise and just locking down from which was a two year escapade that most people in in nhl. Frankly don't even want to remember which is ironic because it was a failure. We are respectful of our partners. So what i will say is in the cases where we have relationships. We have relationships with major league baseball. We have a relationship with the nfl. We could we choose to not Challenge some of those things that we could that maybe in grey areas because why do that why alienate your partner. It's it's disrespectful. And and it. It may not in a business way be conducive to future opportunities. So we have some competitors. I don't think very highly of them. their products but I had one competitor county on the phone This competitor was selling st louis browns and seattle pilots jerseys and He said to me. Well i have a lawyer telling me idol need a license and i said well. Good luck with that strategy Because first of all you're wrong you know and second of all you know you're going to be shut down now you may not be shut down tomorrow but You will be shut down so good luck with that And so sometimes people assume because the team is defunct there is no There is no intellectual property but that is absolutely not true. Just go out and try to produce a brooklyn dodger jersey without a license for example and see how that goes so. We don't choose you know it's not like we're sitting here. Ebbets field trying to pick holes in the in the intellectual property of the league's. That's that's not what we're about There are other people who do do that. Yeah and obviously that's be but you know that also differentiates you and hence the history of what have you done. This right is those. Those approaches tend to be more business. Centric of our business. I right or money-making oriented i but yours is we use. Yours is emanating. Sort of love and crafting of of history and respect for that. Look i if. I think in many respects you put your money where your mouth is so to speak. I mean you look at How you handle some of the Proceeds that you've made over years With some of the negro league Items in partnership with the new negro league museum and kansas city right way in some spectrum was helping make a right out of a. I wanna call it a wrong but but you know there there is no sort of a business lineage right there but it does help perhaps right reconcile some of that because of what's been lost to history. We know we tried to do some things that we are interested in for example regarding the negro leagues you know my other interest besides uniforms as ballparks so i was just in paterson new jersey a few weeks ago looking at now now. This is a particular case that. It's very very hard to know what to do there. As i found out and learned there's not like one fund where you could just donate and that money will go to the restoration of this particular ballpark. There's the national trust is doing some things. The city is trying to do some things but a lot of that is tied up in in various political differences between these various entities. That are all trying to contribute in some way. And all we wanna do is say you know. Here's here's this money. Can we be responsible for restoring this ticket booth for example or this light standard or something And so sometimes it's not easy to actually give money believe it or not we tr- we want to give money. They're restoring satchel pages House in kansas city which was badly damaged in a storm. We try to directly to contribute that and the agents and the organization wasn't ready to accept donations yet so There's there's lots of things that We would like to do that. We haven't been able to do But we we try to do what we can. We're very small company. We're not nike so our resources are limited. But i think really the best things we've done is publicity and awareness. I mean i. I like to think that are spreading the awareness of the fact of the negro leagues. Doing the turn back. The clock games early on those kinds of things really was a big key in getting major league baseball and and a lot of other people interested in in honoring that history so we may not have been major financial contribution but we certainly were in terms of awareness. You the reason for for example the major league. Baseball's a what is it called the cooperstown classics line that they came out with. Will you kinda the the canal for them doing that. No i won't. I won't take credit but i will say that Nineteen eighty eight. There was us and mitchell and ness and and we were people think we were competitors but we were almost sister companies totally separate companies on different coasts. But peter castellino. And i who peter is the founder mitchell and ness not not any longer involved but most of the founder he had this idea of Of doing the major league flannel jerseys. When a customer came into his shop to have a forget. I think it was a st louis browns jersey repaired so there was nothing in the conventional licenses of major league baseball and the leagues that that dealt with vintage product so the two of us starting and basically at the same time with the similar idea. I think is what you know. Got major league baseball interested in creating a whole category of of license for for for their history That's interesting and i. It also sort of brings me back to one last thing. Sort of the trademark stuff. I had direct question for wayland more again. The the guy who created the cosmos logo on the chiefs logo and some of the braves stuff. And and i you know i in the case of the cosmos and the chiefs right. Those are well. Cosmo's not so much. But the chiefs. The atlanta chiefs fell out of trademark. I don't think anybody owns it. I don't you know. And and and he certainly doesn't know or or frankly get any compensation from it right because he was just. He's a graphic designer by trade right. And i asked him the specific question. I said if. I'm a fan. And i see in atlanta chiefs shirt or cap or or jersey or some other recreation and stuff you know. I'm conflicted do i do. I make that purchase and know that it's in some respects almost stealing because there is Just use the word stealing. Just 'cause i can't come up with another word but it's it's there is no owner of said logo. there is no trademark. That's that's discernable and that kind of stuff yet. I want to wear it with pride. Because it's something that i remember. It's something that i'm interested in. It's something i wanna share with the world. How do you feel about that. Where do you sort of stay on. It and i was kind of expecting him to say well. You know i'm a little hurt by. I wish i could. You know. But there's nothing i can do. He actually said look. This was a gig at the time. I i'm an assigned gun for hire at a at a graphic designer creative agency shop. It was my assignment. I took great pride in it. They liked it. I love seeing it on people's Jerseys i love seeing it in advertising and look if people wanna buy anything. That's got that logo on it. I'm all for it because it speaks to people's not only memories but they they like it for some reason and that's why you do what you do creatively. Yeah i mean. I've thought about this question. Quite a bit Because well i'm not. I'm not surprised by. I'll tell you why because First of all it's channels illegal part You're you're absolutely right. Graphic artists usually are work for hire. You don't you. Don't go get points for logo you know. Ask the woman who designed the nike swoosh. How she feels you know. I mean i don't know she got paid five hundred dollars or whatever it was but I often think what. I'm looking at some of this research that i that i do. And i see a particularly interesting logo Who was the person who did that you know. There are probably some per worker in a sporting goods company that got paid Or some independent graphic artists that got paid for the gig. And that's what it was and there's no shame in that but in our system. That's one when you pay to have artwork done for your for your company or your brand you own that you've paid for it you own it unless you make some kind of stipulation with the artist That they would have some kind of say over its usage which which you know nobody intelligent would ever do. Because you don't want to. You know. I i'm i'm saying it turns out just i. I'm not a graphic artist. But i designed Our logo both of the logos that we use But i had a graphic artist. Clean them up. Because i'm useless At at actually drawing but i sketch i literally sketched one of them out on a napkin. And that's what. I took a do graphic artists and i said. Can you please make this look presentable. And this is the concept and these are the callers and the graphic artist. Now that graphic artists were to come back ten years later and say how much money have you made. Putting out on every piece of You know every catalog. And every label. And i want you know. Ten percent taylor So unless you ask for that and sometimes graphic artists do ask for something like that and you make that agreement. Then then you know it's totally ethical situation and and The individual who designed by the way beautiful logo atlanta chiefs Those are the conditions and the expectations. He was working under. Yeah and but it was also celebrate tori right in that I mean look and waylon say that he was the originator of the cosmos logo. Which is ironic that you have that a licensed incredible logo. Yes and one that stands the test of time even if the team somehow can't sort of get to that next level but you know we still as cosmos fans. Hope that we get into the politics politics politics. But let me ask you that. So while we're on soccer as a soccer fan and that's sort of my my entree into this Crazy world of defunct nece and and relocation and all that kind of stuff. What took you so long pal to get into the sock business. That's a great question I don't know. And i'll tell you something I love the asl. I was i was a prepay lace cosmos fan. Not only a cosmos fan. I saw them in. The old yankee pre renovation yankee stadium where with like two thousand people in the whole place you know playing god knows who yeah and nineteen seventy one and nineteen seventy two. They went out to long island for your exactly. I saw them there to hofstra university So so that's that's how much of a cosmos fan that that i was And i loved when the nfl started. In and i knew all about the history of actually the two leagues sixty seven And then the the merger which became the nsl And the fact that the other the other league which was sanctioned. Do you know all this history right now. We just just recorded the other day. We haven't dropped a derek. Who was the general manager of the old oakland clippers of the us the nps l. and then the nsl and then they went on their own for one specimen. Yeah so usa was the other league. But they were the sanctioned league but the nps l. was unsanctioned but had the tv contract so so totally bizarre why they would set up to almost like a death wish let's set up to rival pro soccer leagues and put teams in the same cities and kill it. Kill the proposition in two years. Yeah great yeah. Exactly so so i. I'm old enough to remember all of that in real time. I was a little kid. But i followed it so i'm fascinated. I'm like you. i'm fascinated by all that stuff. So what took you so long. I don't know maybe just we're so busy you know there's always so much to do and and to to bring in another Fairly obscure Category is tough. i mean It was no fear of it being to obscure because god. I get a whole line on the continental football league while things you know. So so Yeah which another thing that fascinates me and nobody knows about there almost kind of a second. Afl they didn't quite know rise to the occasion like the afl actually did so I've even done Apparel on that I don't know why it took me so long. i regret it. I think What's challenging about soccer. On an authentic way is there is no standardization. So for example Take nineteen hundred to nineteen seventy all the baseball. Uniforms were wool. Flannel there are three or four basic patterns and three or four basic colors fabric right so you got some kind of consistency. I have seen physically. Asl jerseys from the sixties and seventies and there are no two that are alike. They're all over the map. Some of them are the most horrible things you ever want to see that if reproduce them quote unquote authentically. They'd be awful. We'd almost have to make them better than the original. Because they'd be screen printed on the most awful fabric and others were just gorgeous. You know using really nice fabric. But there's polyester there is doreen cotton. There was hundred percent. Cotton so you can make baseball jersey and it could be twenty or thirty different teams by applying the trim and the emblems right but a soccer jersey. you've gotta v-neck you've got a polo collar. You've got a crew chrunak. You've got a ringer neck You've got other oddities. So from a manufacturing practical point of view given that we don't so volumes and volumes of anything is very difficult to produce anything in the quantities that are contractors in factories would need to and make it viable. That's the short answer. The longer answer. Is that if you know there. There is a company still is in the uk that does a very nice job doing vintage soccer toffs. You probably are aware but then And so we don't really frank with all due respect not not some of those are pretty good and dead on and frankly some of them are just not right for the. Us that's true that's absolutely true But if you look at it. And i still don't know how they do it if you look at their pricing. It's extremely reasonable. It's very hard for us to sell a jersey for forty nine dollars. So any kind you know we just. Can't you know there's no one who will make it for a price that we know of that. We can afford i again unless we're making thousands in china And so so. They're already kind of in that in that lane and we didn't really feel like we had enough ability to come out there and tell a unique story. I changed my mind obviously this year because i really wanted to get into that early. Nasa l. period. Which we did. Yeah and and look i think. There's there's plenty more. And i think frankly soccer is also you know it's a much different place than it was even ten twenty years ago in terms of It's availability The the the the staying power major league soccer itself A sometimes Convenient sometimes strained relationship with some of the old clubs that they took the names from The the various tricks and of those histories as well but look you know. You're talking to somebody who would love to see you especially given your attention to detail and craftsmanship attempt the caribou colorado jersey with the fringe to me. There's there's some great ones you know. Obviously you should charge a higher price for something like that but the atlanta cheapest closer to home you do you know how many vintage nfl sounders. And timbers whitecaps jerseys. I would sell. But i i went to mls and it was the biggest run around. I've ever got. They said well we. We do own the rights to even the old teams by those names. And who am i to tell them they don't write given our previous discussion and And i said well look. We don't wanna step on anybody's toes of anything you're doing in licensing now but nobody is doing this and they said well we love it but we don't know how to do we don't know how to say yes. This is what we often run into. People saying they love it but they don't know how to say yes and just let us do it then they said well go to the teams because then you could do a local license if the teams are okay with it so we went to the individual teams and they like we love it but go back to the league so it's like okay at a certain point. Nobody could say yes. So i offer the nineteen seventies seattle sounders even though we're here in seattle and the mls following because We mls clubs claim they own those three teams that were originally nicknames of totally unrelated and asl. tina and it's also there's a bit and look and it's also a as we've gotten into there's been a big begrudging acceptance of these team histories right because mls at the beginning and frankly in some circles still doesn't want remember exactly because it was a failed leaguer whatever i e the vancouver whitecaps of of your right some of the gorgeous logos on the the the the Just fascinating and great opportunity. I have i have. I have all the research the warm ups jerseys everything And i've seen a lot of the original. Because i know a collector who owns them And and if. I wanted to be going back to our trademark discuss. If i wanted to be a real you know you know what i would. Just say screw you. I've seen other companies do sounders and sell t shirts and things. So i'm gonna just do my jersey and you can like it or lump it but because we do our philosophy is we do like to treat people with respect. The we have chosen not to do that. And maybe a big business opportunity so there you go but another one i wanna i wanna add one little thing that story because another thing we run into we have had. This happened with collegiate licenses as well. Is they wanna say yes. They love the product. We've made in the sample. But then they say we have a jersey exclusive with xyz gazillion dollar company I won't mention a nike Or pick another one and we're afraid that if we let you do this even though they're not doing a vintage or historic peace that this will Make them matt. so so. that's another reason Sometimes we're told no even though it's a great idea well so you must have an opinion that on the the recent a drop of remixes from the nhl and adidas then. I don't have an opinion. i don't know enough about okay. So two weeks ago they They were all over social media. Showing the I guess upcoming remix jerseys and its fans only or it's going to be on on the ice and stuff so for example. Some of them Some of them are are go deep and actually go delve into some of the old logos. And that kind of stuff And some frankly are just not like so for example Nashville they're going to do that. They're going to go back into the hartford whalers thing and and mick some colors with some of the old logo imagery there and that that's a sore topic for hartford fans for a bunch of different. Yes but i'm looking at it. Yeah yeah. I don't put it on the spot but it is you know. Look i think maybe where you're getting at is that okay there's some exclusive licensing of current jerseys and stuff and there's probably some rights to do that but it's interesting and maybe ironic and maybe it's not that they're not necessarily capable but here you are with an expertise that you built literally from scratch. It's ironic because your knowledge and expertise and attention to detail. Frankly is what they're going to have to learn if the by they don't care about my knowledge and expertise see that's the that's what. Okay the question that i am asked maybe more than not not from journalists or situations i guess but from customers in general public. Why can't i by the cap of the quality. Do for a major league baseball team Do you not want to pay for the license. We would love to pay for the license. The problem is that is a it's a. It's almost a red zone. We cannot go They will not allow us to make a ahead where piece vintage head where peace and it has nothing to do with our expertise and knowledge of history. It has everything to do with who their partners are and and And frankly that's that's the door is closed. So all this stuff is about generating revenue. That's what we have to remember as fans and as people like you and me who. She ate beauty and authenticity and accuracy. That's all great but that's not what drives these designs. And and these products it's it's it's to generate revenue and so once it took me about fifteen years before i got it in my think had that that's why i was being told no a lot. Not because my design expertise in my knowledge was respected. All right so so. Let me a couple roundup questions than and i think this one speaks to. It's what you just said so as a businessman a small business at that And by the way. I know you had a rough year this year with your seattle in the store and all that kinda stuff so we're actually doing very very well. The store is very sad to close the store. We had a store for twenty five years in that pioneer square neighborhood and i. It wasn't a big revenue generator compared to our online business however it was a place where people can physically come from some other state or country and physically come in and see the product and see us. It was very sad to close it but We had to because there's just no the situation even beyond the covid. Doing retail and in downtown seattle is is not something that's sustainable And that's a whole other podcast. Fan fair disclosure. I lived in seattle for a couple years in the late nineties. In the first thing. I do when i moved there was. I made a pilgrimage to the store. But i digress. Yeah i think. I made a purchase or to two so for what it's worth. But here's the question so you're getting sort of the business of it. It's it's got to generate revenue. So i'm sure you've gone beyond the logic of trying to figure out what specific teams or what specific leagues or what specific g year of team in league is going to be quote generator of money versus others. I guess the question there is are you striving for the right sort of niche and tapping into that. Perhaps on some kind of social current. Or whatever or are you. Are you aiming to be. Perhaps a bit comprehensive right where you there's no place else to go because you're the you do all that stuff right and it's like okay. I'll get it in the aggregate so to speak that's a great question and there's there's always a tension between Being the one stop shopping vintage which is one way to put it And being a unique voice that's a little bit In our own kind of you know having her own voice i'll put it that way I think as long as i'm in charge of the company it's going to be an extension of my voice and my particular interests to some degree balance with the fact that as you said we are a business we have to. We have to you know sell we have to hopefully so more rather than less and that means that there are some areas like we. We didn't use to do the nfl. And we're doing great with our nfl program right now And you know to to the extent we can. I mean i wish we could do a headwear piece. that would be lovely And we we don't have a license for that and and we're limited in what we could do. So i think our strategy in the last couple of years is just sorta supplement the kinda weird left field stuff we do some of which takes off commercially in some of which doesn't with some more established licenses collegiate and nfl however we try to keep the authenticity thread always there and the way we approach things and the way we do them We try not to ever compromise on those things. So i think if we have a balance of enough mainstream stuff people can relate to like you wanna you know new york giants waie till jersey. You can get one from us but you wanna really bizarre but really cool. Kansas city cats cap. You can get that too yes. It's bit of a substance. Yeah yeah as long as we're not compromising for the sake of sales. I will never water down. What i know is the correct or the right design y- if i could make something a little more accessible you know by tweaking yet you know. I tend to resist doing that. Because i my opinion is. I'm not a designer. History is a designer. In my job is to usher the thing from the black and white picture. That i saw into into three d you know reality in twenty twenty and make it accessible to people and the way to do that is to get out of the way and i haven't give me a question. I can pontificate a little bit about how poor i think so much. Sports graphic design is is these days Jerry jerry what do you think what do you think of the quality of sports design. These days is i think. It's with a few notable exceptions pretty bad and and the reason is bad as one word is computers because Adobe illustrator gives gives a designer the ability to put fifteen colors in the logo where there used to be two or three and and and my the watch word for athletic design for me is less as more and if you look at the probably the most successful graphic in the history of american sports. Is what the new york yankee ny. And my what. I like to tell people if you if you get one of these big six-figure graphic design firms that these teams insist on hiring all the time to refresh their identities That logo and they didn't know anything about the yankees. It would be tossed out immediately as two simple right So when i see things you know first of all you know they all copy each other. it's like ballparks it's like anything so there was a time when every nba logo to me. Look like a version of the superman shield. You know what i mean. And the first one was probably cool but the fifth one wasn't as much or or the angry or the or the docile. Oh god that's got. Don't give me go. Get me started about angry animals. You know animal cartoons Yeah i just think it's. It's like anything though. It's like art or anything. You have a few out liars. That are very creative and very talented and then you have a lot of mediocrity And i and i. I read these articles of some amusement Substance such a team hired so and so graphic design firm to redo their logos. And i look at the results and it. It says what they paid them. They're like well. I could've done better and charge a lot less but But yeah it's hard but it's also big business and the jersey business metros in the third kits and all that kind of stuff. I mean this is all modern milking show it is this is and i realize and i realized that i am not in that world and and And therefore i i have some respect for the people who are in that world. They'd have to come out with a third jersey for you. Know whatever team. But i will say from a point of view of timelessness And what becomes classic. You know. Look at things like the yankee n. y. Y have the dodgers not change that dodgers script and sixty seventy years. Probably because it works pretty well you know And and somebody drew that by hand. Nineteen thirty five or whatever and there's still basically using it so I think that these more modern teams that don't have as much of the history and there's lots of male. Obviously they have a harder time because some of their stuff ends up being disposable. It's very fresh when it comes out and then to you three years they're out there again you know having to get another identity then another third jersey And so you know we're just not in that world all right quick lightning around and then i'll get you a wrap up question. Expect they went back to your life all right so lightning around a couple of to me. glaring omissions. But maybe for you. There's a reason why yet not or never chicago hosting. Oh you know. I get that a lot. I get that particular question a lot. And there's no reason i haven't i haven't original chicago. Sting warm jacket in my closet right now. We'll get to it sticking the soccer the major indoor soccer league you know. I'm not I i'm not interested. I'd indoor soccer to me is kind of a I don't know What's i don't know i not that i did. It's perfectly fine. It's just a kind of a distortion of a real game to create a up game and it's just not as interested plus is more. I you know. It'd be honest with you and i'm very cranky after about the mid seventies. I really don't care. I don't i do not care it. All this stuff. Graphically starts to lose its appeal for me so a lot of the minor league teams and soccer teams and some of these other things that started. You know once you get to the eighties. I i'm just. It doesn't appeal to my own personal graphic sense as much so generally speaking. I don't go there. That doesn't mean we won't in the future what. Now what are the rest of the seventies though a fertile time for challenger league's new sports altogether tennis right. No you're right. I've been i've been very one thing. I will acknowledges we've been very laps in paying attention to the seventies until very recently when we've done we've done a lot more particularly in soccer but I love to do more with the world. Football league for example. Yeah that was my other questions. Besides the general seventies i i think also too and i'm also trying to now sort of pull from the last three and a half years of conversations. There's just a wealth of of forgotten football leaks right general. You're sure there. There's you know it's just time just the amount of time we have in a day and you. You've seen our website. You know how much stuff we offer. It's really hard to get. You know the the hard thing for us is when you've got everyone shopping and reading on this little device we hold in our hands now. It's very hard to give people. A selection both of eighty or ninety different categories of things to look at as it is hard to inventory that many things so we have to pick and choose to some extent. And i can't always let my personal interest and curiosity drive what we commit resources to. And you know manufacturing and and inventory. That's where it's a business. Our listeners are going to Come up with their own suggestions and stuff so for for what it's worth god forbid but but you also cycle stuff through. It's not like you have you said limit equality's quantities but like for example. I can't find that colt forty five's thing to save. Save my life anymore. The co forty five. I think you're mistaken there because that's a major league baseball thing. We've never done that interesting. Okay you might have been mitchell nest jersey gorgeous jersey. I know exactly which one you're talking about but we don't do. We've never done major league. Baseball teams even vintage. Wants interesting. okay except her. We've done several. Turn back the clocks and we were the first company by the way to blow our horn a little bit. That did turn back the clock. So there's our idea the first ones that that happened. And then it became kind of a thing and then major league baseball decided to have an official licensee and then we didn't do them things do cycle out though and you don't sort of bring him back or you just kind of put them on. I mean i. I don't know if you do that by design or by just keep things fresher. Yeah we call it. It's it's like a a restaurant that has a seasonal menu. You know what happened to that Poboy sandwich you guys use to serve. Well we're going to bring that back in april. So so that's that's kind of what we do We have some solid sellers. That are always. There will always have the homestead grays cap. You know. we're always going to have that new york nights. Ray hobbs jersey and then there's some things we kinda like bring up we wanna talk about Let's say the south. We may come up with a a set of baseball caps from From the deep south and run them for a couple of months and then maybe the top one or two seller stay in the line and the rest get rotated out and we do some nelson next month But yeah that's kind of how we approach. That are last question. I guess is any holy grails out there things that like for you personally. That you've been shaping at or you've been thinking about or you've been attacked trying to tackle but for whatever reason you've been stymied in sort of bringing into not any one thing though i will say boy. I wish there were more pictures of jackets. I wish there were more pictures of players in their warm-up jackets. Because some of those things were just so gorgeous I recently did a presentation for major league. Baseball on On jackets and in a couple of days. I found about twenty jackets that i had never seen. Some of them. Were quite extraordinary. Kelly green chicago. White sox jackets from the thirties. kelly-green cause comiskey is irish. Course not not a team caller on the white sox so i do wish there were more Things that i can research that. I didn't have to guess the colors as much you know and that sort of stuff. It's pretty rare when you come across a an actual cap or actual jersey that you could use in research. Well look. This is where we're going to promote the hell out of out of sight and stuff and this has been a tremendous I guess the sort of general question alaska sort of not for the air but No affiliate program. I love to throw some stuff your way but maybe that's for a reason not just generally again. There's there's a limited amount of marketing attention that that we have. And i've got one guy who here who does that. So you know we can certainly talk about it But there's no policy about it one way or the other But we just we get a lot of requests and sometimes it's just easier to say you know not now because were just you know. You gotta understand that that creatively and administratively. This is like a four person. Show here you know So people who have to handle the marketing and all the design and research and and we don't always have the bandwidth to to to honor every affiliate request or something like that. Well i look this is this is it's fascinating and frankly it's a real pleasure because you know i i think you're in many respects your punching above your weight because i think your your influence in this space is is outsized for sure and i know and i wish i had the money people think i have from doing all this but but it's also look i mean i it's also i don't want to oversell it either. It's also frankly. I in my little world our our little shared sort of world. It's important stuff. Frankly because a lot of this is actually. It's history and the when you commemorate and you do the just you do these items justice with the research and the craftsmanship and all that kind of stuff. It's actually it does. It's a big part of keeping alive things that came before or or even today's big business and logos and teams and leagues and stuff Upon which the these things were built right and so it's not unimportant stuff. Frankly i think it's very important. I'll tell you something. It sounds corny. But the same when someone comes to me and says you know. My grandfather wore this jersey. Can you make one for me. That gives me as much of a thrill as it did in nineteen eighty eight the fact that i can actually make that happen. I'm the only one who can make that happen. In this case. I mean Sometimes i feel bad for the people who say i really want this particular year philadelphia athletics jersey and i have to say please go to the licensee for that product and they said i did and they won't make it for me because it's a one-off it's a one piece which we will. We will make you know a minor league jersey if we've never made it before i'll do the research for that one person at one human being who would means the world to have that particular jersey and there are very few companies. Who are able to do that. So it's not only history but his living history. And i and i have this really quaint idea that we need to be connected with what came before us or everything is a model doesn't really have any context so we're still in it for the same reasons we were when we started jerry. This has been great. Thank you this is going to be a wonderful episode. I think a lot of Thought of our our our mighty and growing listenership. And i'm just i'm just shocked as to where in the world people listening to this show and others who suffer from the same illness that i do or maybe less so for you. It's interesting because i think a lot of fans are people who listen a lot of it does seem to generate from their childhood memories of their first sort of sports exposure. And that kind of stuff but it also seems to be it. Also tends to be very Narrow in focus right. It's it's a baseball team in major league baseball or football team in the world. Football league right. I'm actually shocked. At the growing number of people that we discover who have a broad and horizontal interest in the teams and the logos and the just generally which i thought was. Just the niche of niche. But now there is. There's something to it and graphic designs all the other aspects to it that sort of fallen that fall into it. I i think what what we're talking about here. What's great is that. It ties together Different aspects of americana. It ties together. History social struggles ties together. Childhoods are you know. Become a lot of us. You know. our our first experience of sports. Was you know that you know. I hate to be cliche here but you know. The dad took us the yankee stadium to see the yankees or whoever your team is and those things are. Those experiences are very very powerful. I know they were for me being taken it. The upper deck of yankee stadium not to see the yankees but the new york. Football giants wasn't very very powerful and exciting experience And i think that the graphics if if if people like us and others who do this are are doing it right. That's what it evokes when they see that logo. They're not just looking at a graphic they're like. Oh my god this is coming back so So i really hope that That you know when. I go to bed at night. I try to hope that. I've done something that day. That has some meaning to people beyond just being commerce congress's what enables us to do it but there has to be a higher purpose. I think and. I don't want to be so grandiose as to say we have such a great high purpose but i do think there's more than clothing you know in what we sell. I hope all right all the way from seattle. We thank our new pal. Jerry cohen and What else can i tell you. It's just a tremendous conversation. I i enjoyed Discussing all this stuff in. Its and jerry certainly a kindred soul not only myself but i think of many of our listeners as well and again ebbets field flannels can be found at ebbets dot com e. b. e. t. s. dot com and. Please enjoy courtesy of jerry and team and myself Ten percents off all of your purchases. This holiday season at good seats ten. That's the promo code good seats number ten when you visit early and often ebbets dot com and as i said earlier. Not only other great Nfl we'll jerseys and authentic jackets. Great sweatshirts and huns of baseball flannel shirts ball caps authentic hockey sweaters. Collegiate stuff for sure. There's the brand new collection of just tremendously never before seen Soccer pro soccer stuff. Great jackets there's cleveland. Stoker's the text new york generals of the national professional soccer league. The jackets are just. They're satin beautiful. The ball caps are awesome. There's one our pal. Ronnie saarland salerno in cincinnati was just ecstatic to know that there was a cincinnati comets. Thousand nine hundred seventy two american soccer league cap grave vancouver royals from nineteen sixty eight. Nsl of course the atlanta chiefs are old pal. Waylon moore who was instrumental in creating the logo for those atlanta chiefs. Just it's all great stuff that you're just gonna love it all into we thank jerry for the time and discount code and And we hope you enjoy not only our little chat this week. 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Money Ain't A Thang

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23:32 min | 9 months ago

Money Ain't A Thang

"Is your money, not sure what to do with itself right now at ally, they'll help it save for the future with their smart savings tools. Bucket your money for the things that matter most analyze you're spending and save automatically all on top of a competitive rate for all things money. You deserve an ally. Visit a L. Wide Dot com slash savings for more INFO ally. Do it right ally bank member FDIC. act. Unity all coming together. Sounds like. called. And, pushing people down. Wow such moving video NBA players at the forefront over those rallies for justice this weekend. Welcome to the jump. I'm Rachel Nichols alongside and the champion Kendrick Perkins and the Hall of Famer Jackie macmullan. Guys coming up. We're going to talk about the decision to use wind percentage as tiebreaker. Is that fair to the teams that will end up playing one fewer games due to the pandemic stick around I though? The Charlotte Hornets joined by the NFL's Carolina Panthers are severing ties with the security firm that both teams have been using. It's called CPI this comes after an email from the company's CEO, can gill surface, regarding those protesting police brutality and the murder of George Floyd Gill wrote quote. A better use of time would be to focus on the black on black crime and senseless killing of our young men by other young men and quote. Gill apologized after considerable backlash, but obviously the damage had been done. Here's the form that statement quote. Our chairman Michael Jordan has been very clear about his thoughts, surrounding the issues of racial equality, justice and diversity. We believe it is appropriate at this time to end our partnership with CPI. This comes on the heels. Guys of Michael Jordan and his Jordan brand company, pledging to donate one hundred million dollars over the next ten years to organizations fighting for racial equality and social justice, and here's what Michael recently told the Charlotte observer quote. We have been beaten down for so many years. It sucks your soul. You can't accept it anymore. This tipping point. We need to make a stand. We've got to be better as a society regarding race. Kendrick vet is a lot. What is your reaction to how vocal Michael Jordan has been on this issue after he spent most of his life for meaning publicly quiet on social issues. Will right to never been so proud of Michael Jeffrey Jordan in my life, or some some fans may call them, and some athletes black Jesus listen you notice saying he may not come when you want them, but he's always on time and. Michael Jordan. It is Michael Jordan, who's had a reputation of not being vocal and speaking out for the African American community. Right now he's doing a great job. And and for man of power is the difference between being popular and powerful and Michael Jordan is powerful, and what he did was not only did he make a bold statement, but he put his money with with with mouth feels, and he made a power move, and then you know they a lot of people that will. Will call out the owners of all leagues of all use of Sports Leagues and call in a mile to speak out on behalf and Michael Jordan and do as been all the African American majority owned. He stood on the front line and set the tone so I couldn't be more proud of Michael Jordan right now the way he's stepped up for the African. American culture and what he would, he's doing right now with his power is beyond beautiful. And I think perk we've been seeing this coming with Michael. Jordan and you're right as a player. And he he mentioned in the last dance, actually that singular focus he felt was necessary to be the best he could be. He even questioned in the documentary. Could I have done more maybe fair comparison, but over recent years you know I think it was about four years ago. He donated a million dollars to the N. double. ACP legal defense. Fund, he he. He was a founding donor of the Smithsonian's national. African, American Museum, I think that was a five million dollar donation. This is just a more reflective Michael Jordan. Guys, the Jordan that covered in the middle of those those championships. He wasn't thinking about these things, but as I've talked to Michael Jordan in recent years. He's someone that's very socially conscious. That wants to make a difference and boy. Is he putting his money where his mouth is? That is a big number for both him and to Nike. Absolutely. I mean look guys what people are asking for in. America right now is change rate none of this works. Works. If we're all just preaching to the choir, there has to be people doing things they weren't doing before. And in Michael's case is you noted Jackie said in the last dance speaking out on social issues, holding his views for public inspection. That wasn't natural to him, but also the last dance showed US Michael. Jordan is still one of the most popular humans in America. His has tremendous power, so if he's changing the way he uses that voice that's incredible and that change is something that is going to help hopefully domino and lead to other changes right Kendrick. You're right and listen. To piggyback on some of your points think about this right join now is fifty eight years old, so he's. He's seen a lot throughout his years. He's seen a lot of racism. He saying a lot of things that had to do with Africa Marican culture and you write Jackie. He has put up money quietly in not voice, but for him the speak out like one hundred million dollars is beyond beautiful, but when Michael Jordan. Jordan speaks listen. He has a fan base there ranges from ten years old. Two hundred years old I know senior citizens still listen to Michael Jordan and so when he speaks out. It just seems a different song in my opinion, so it's great to see that 'em Jay is changing as a man in an coming to speak out on behalf of the coacher, and on behalf of civil rights and just the whole situation at hand. You know what would really beautiful perk. If all the other NBA majority owners I'm not saying you have to donate one hundred million dollars, but wouldn't it be something if each of them stood up and match this because one of the things I keep hearing. From the many athletes that I've spoken to in the last week, my own people in my life for African. American they keep saying to us. We're ready to effect change. African Americans are and what about Corporate America? WHAT ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE IN POWER CORPORATE AMERICA? When will they stay about both words and their actions, and perhaps in this case their wallets, so why don't we put a challenge out there to all the other NBA owners to step up and also make a donation justice Michael Jordan's done. Absolutely, and we will continue this conversation, both in the coming weeks and tonight as the nation continues to come to grips with issues of race and injustice. ESPN is presenting three hours of special programming from the undefeated. This is so cool guys that focuses on justice equality responsibility. There's deer black athletes that's at eight eastern five Pacific, then it's the debut of playing for justice. This is a behind the scenes. Look at the criminal justice system through the eyes of the. The NBA players, the bucks and the Kings member, and they have been visiting prisons this year, and finally an encore presentation of an undefeated conversation, athletes, responsibility and violence. 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If only everyone was always there for you, like your mom when you fill out really really important paperwork on the first day of a new job name, check birthday social security's thing. Hey, mom, what aid my social security number, mom, MOM, MOM! Zero Zero one seven Oh, I hashtag Donnie Darko always. Therefore you savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents. Coming up next it's twenty minutes Jalen and Jacoby highly questionable and around the Horn to our sport center's at five with the guys joining a five thirty and we cap the day with us. All right according to Adrian Jonoski Bobby marks the NBA is trying to figure out solutions to replace players who may be lost to injuries or positive. Kovin test once. Everyone is on the Orlando campus. Sources say the League and teams are already discussing how teams will be able to utilize players on to eight contracts. In case, replacement players needed Jackie. How do you expect to see this play out? Well! I think this is a really big question. Rachel what if a team ends up with four players are five players that test positive for Kovac nineteen. Now you understand that the NBA. Put so much money G. League, so of course they want to reward those players, and have those players be eligible. I can't help myself. Rate is still hoping in this world. There's a place Jamal Crawford and under this plan. There is not. So I wish that there was and I, but I think if you have a small amount of players that test positive or injured I think you'll be okay, but if there is a string of them, where do you get the bodies? I'm not one hundred percent sure. You're right on that point Jacob, but listen I WANNA take it a little deeper when you talk about adding extra bodies. You need those bodies in training camp because you don't want, put too much work. Load on your star. Players guys that you're going to have playing rotational minutes, so you need those extra by. You also need those extra bodies. In case, someone gets injured although you're trying to get guys back in shape. SHAPE IS NOT GONNA. Happen overnight, so you need guys to be come in, and so being so about you know during training camp and also just think about this. The more players on the bench, the better for the team. Because right now you plan without fans so if you can have a strong binge and add extra couple of by this to be encouraged people why they on the court. I think I'm all in for. And there's some general managers who have talked about just expanding the roster's overall. Just from the start. The idea is that those guys would be with them from training camp, and per guy like your bench. Though we got her social distance, this guy's a little bit, so maybe they could get. The extra. Guys get spread out around the Rita in some way or Or something like that the guys you aren't suited up to play I'm sure that that is one of the many things they are working on and I want to get to another issue. The NBA is flushing out in this Orlando scenario, so if all the teams are going to play eight and only eight regular season games once they get to the Disney campus. Campus Howard the standings, going to account for the fact that on the knife elite shutdown, some teams just happened to be two or three more games deeper into their total of eighty two. Then others are Tim bontemps reporting. The League is determined. The standings will be ordered by winning percentage night games above or below five hundred a decision that can play a pivotal. Pivotal role in the race to take part in the potential playing game in the West so basically by saying they're going to go by percentage guys. This essentially gives the blazers the defacto tiebreaker over the Pelicans and kings, despite being the same number of games below five hundred because Portland. We'll have a get this point. Zero Zero, one nine better win percentage. Teams after splitting, its two extra games played both New Orleans and Sacramento would've won two team tiebreakers against Portland if tied in win percentage that is a lot of numbers soup, but it's important rate because perk if they're basically saying on the way in. If you guys all play, even Portland's going to get the tiebreaker win because a winning percentage. That's something. The other teams are going to want to know right. A writer me, listen to you just now, so confused like the numbers. The web percentage like at the end of the day. Guess would is unfair Adam. Silver saying is GONNA be a fast situation across the board. I mean we're looking at some that we never will. We all never deal with especially NBA players so is different, so you gotta expect things to be different. Guess, it's almost a situation where it's like. Like Damn if you do damned if you don't, there's no right or wrong answer in my opinion, so guys just got be able to adjust in this what it is I mean you just have to go out there and play, and may the best man win I I just can't get into the numbers game. The win percentage this. They're not just go out there and win. The Games never saw the PROB. Here's an idea. Win One more game than all those other guys. You were talking. None of this. None of this is fair. I mean the Atlanta Hawks don't think it's fair that they don't get to be playing right now. Maybe secretly the Golden State. Warriors do, but this these are unprecedented times. Someone is going to be unhappy. Every step of the way as this thing goes forward. There's going to be other things that come up and someone's going to say. That's not fair and what everyone's going to have to? To say is, this is what we're dealing with. We've gotTA handle what we've got in front of us and I can't get into the minutia. It's too unfair. It's incredible that we're even at this point. Honestly in my opinion, yeah, and that's true. I think what you guys are both saying across the board whether it's this issue of. Are we deciding by winning percentage whether it's the issue? We discussed earlier in the segment. About how many Jelly guys can you bring him with you? And when none of it's perfect? None of it! Is GonNa be Great. None of it is what everyone would want. If you really don't like it this last thing winning percentage of tiebreakers next time just make sure you're in the top six or seven spots. No matter what league's way, you'll be included. It's all there all right guys coming up. Shaquille O'Neal says the two thousand trailblazers are the best team. The leakers face during his three peat run with Kobe is that team better than the two thousand and two kings? We will discuss that I. Though here are distant replays from this date in NBA history starting with Koby Be. Quiet. Substrate is now three. That's great I copy throughout the entire defense oversold, Mataafa renew farther shack. There'd be no better. Any time. They're giving on that road to the best way too fast. The school city. Now as Wayne Wade through the. Draft and it takes it right over the top of the defense. Rondo Paul Saito. By twenty two Rondo exceptional point on it's beautiful. Take them to the streets, Bronco and then go. Hey, fellas, meet me at the room. I can take hikes. These ribs out rebound offensively. Patrick Burke goes down to the wing for. Three, sweat. The Paul has to sell cross court waiting open pierce three. Of the best player on the floor. Lied. Under three minutes, then Kobe Poa three over. Rondo, Swiss. Lakers try to put off. Weight as. An NBA playoff history. Takes waiting on the wings open three. This is just incredible everybody in the office. Rondo Shovel pass forty two. Blocked, in the IT comes down to Posey the TAP and thaw. Self expensive art. What a game! A little flashback! Therefore, you guys twelve years ago today I know that was fessel for both of our guests today Jackie, macmullan Kendrick Perkins. Who looks a little older just a little bit? Then he did in the cliffs. Our guys, it's crunch time here on the job off. Everyone everyone who has been speculating about Kevin, durant playing in Orlando these two seasons assist once, and for all People Katie has told Marc Spears. He will remain out for the season while we having his torn Achilles Bro nearly a year ago. Irving also telling friends, he will not return to action because of his solar shoulder surgery, but according to Wo-. Jr Kyrie's suggested on an MVP a conference on Friday that he would like to join the nets in Orlando for Support Jackie. Is this all sparked? Well so I, don't know if you guys remember this, but back when Kyrie was a member of the Boston Celtics and he was out for the year with an injury, he ended up scheduling nasal surgery during a very important game seven for the Celtics, and he took a ton of criticism for not being there, so I'm not going to be a hypocrite, and now say well. You're injured and you WANNA. Go with your teammates. No, that is fair I kinda liked this idea. He's trying to do some team building now. The only problem is he does take a spot away from someone else who that someone is. I'm not clear. Is it a player? Is it a staff? But I think Kyri is is coming from a good place here at I. Think it's so smart that neither here Kevin to play I'm glad that. I actually love, listen I think is Kinda re taking a step further leader in being the leader late? Yeah, HE WANNA be be around his guys and listen when you have your franchise. Guys around the vibe is different and just think about it now. He's able to be in training camp, and he probably could participate or be around organization where his coaches are there and he could get NBA workouts and. And also having him on the bench him. Kevin Durant on the bench speaks volumes then leadership, you know the Brooklyn Nets are probably going to make the playoffs in the ACC who knows they could be on the bench. Encouraging the young guys go out there and play hard and given teacher point so I'm no I know I'll always been critical Kariba right here. He's making me proud because he's showing leadership. Absolutely I hope they don't work the way they wanted to all right in a bleacher report story about the twenty year anniversary of the Lakers seven game series against the Blazers in the two thousand Western Conference Finals Seven Time Champ Robert retold our friend Howard Beck. That Portland was quote probably the best team I've ever faced playing basketball period shack at this quote. They were the toughest team and they were the only team that wasn't scared of us so per. Is this more of a compliment to Scotty sheet in those blazers or this to the two thousand and two kings, who as we know also forced a game seven against those lakers? Right so I see no lies. Take the second Robert Oreo right. When you look at the trailblazer team in two thousand, they would deep. They had arguably the best point guard in Damon, Stoudamire they had. Stacey Augmon! They had Scottie Pippen they had Bazi. Whales Receive Wireless Jermaine O'Neal and then they had one of the most underrated sooners. Most skills centers to ever play the game in my opinion Insta- bonus so when you look at that trailblazer team, they would deep, and I see no lives to take disrespect to the kings with their trail blazer team was special. Okay, I'll grant you park. That was quite lineup, although some bonus was past, his prime, and some of those other guys where it's not. She was twenty five years old on that team, but this feels a little bit to me like a tiny little bit of a just that Sacramento team shacks bitcoin with pretty much entire career. Shack is a big man, likes big men down on the block play physically. That's why Joel Embiid is his favorite player in the NBA that Sacramento team at a seven footer of lobby. Who turned and face the basket and took a shot from there, said thing with page it and many of these other European players shock just didn't like the way Sacramento Place, but he was worried about them. You'll never convince me otherwise you just won't. Get another little digging, Jackie. You know he's going to do it all right. Let's go to. A real life shave the Korean Baseball League. The seats behind home plate were filled with adorable stuff to animal. First of all, this is amazing second of all. It got us thinking if the NBA. Props as a method to preserve home court advantage mark. How do you feel about the idea? Our producer? Danny came up with this. This is brilliant. Inflatable tube persons kind to see at the gas station those behind the backboard when the road team shoots, free throws and love this. Right so I'm look I'm all for whatever we got basketball bag listening you already in Orlando Right next to Disney, world is nothing, but souvenir shops give mickey give many get off. The mall in. Even met. I'm with we in basketball back. He's loved that I'll. Love it. It looks like someone's stolen. Right out of a carnival and you kidding me. In your women's soccer team. Which is put inflatable sex dolls in the stands Jackie I'm going to be all good.

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AB Civil Suit

Outside the Lines

22:28 min | 1 year ago

AB Civil Suit

"You're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash outside outside the lines on Ryan Smith. Let's get straight to our big story. Sexual assault allegations against against Antonio Brown in a civil lawsuit filed in federal court Tuesday the wide receiver was accused of sexually assaulting his former trainer Brittany Taylor on three occasions between between two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen. Taylor is a former gymnast from Central Michigan Brown met during Bible study as students there now it's unclear whether Taylor spoke to police leased about the incidents in a statement released last night. Brown's attorney vigorously denied the allegations saying in part Mr Brown denies each and every allegation in the lawsuit he will pursue all legal remedies to not only clear his name but to also protect other professional athletes against false accusations. Taylor also released is to statement last night as a rape victim of Antonio Brown deciding to speak out has been an incredibly difficult decision speaking out remove the shame that I have felt for the past year and places it on the a person responsible for my rape I will cooperate with the NFL and any other agencies in fact Adam schefter reporting willing and planning to meet with the league this week next week week but I she's getting married and that's for the team for which Brown is expected to debut today the Patriots yesterday they stated we are aware air of the civil lawsuit that was filed earlier today against Antonio Brown as well as the response by Antonio's representatives. We take these allegations very we seriously under no circumstances. Does this organization condone sexual violence or salt. The League has been has informed us that they will be investigating and we will have no no further comment while that investigation takes place all right now. When you talk about bill ballot check he has also been a part of this discussion as well. He talked not long ago basically striking the same tone not really talking about comments but more so than anything just saying we are onto Miami. You could've picked the team. I just said I think fans deserve here a little bit but we know moral say more varied practice. Yes are you preparing for into play on Sunday or taking a one day just like we always do the possibility that he could be on the commission. Preparing for preparing for one days is on the allegations against Wade Immune something yeah. I appreciate all the questions and that's what's Denso's Mensa brought up Randy Moss yesterday you think that until you brown will require as much attention as Mazda to get him in sync with eighteen eighteen yeah. I didn't say that I'm asking you yeah. I don't know you don't know if you'll require more not difficult frustrating to have a distraction license ready just getting of the season. We're we're. We're we're we're on Miami Carolina. Donna the rest of it is it's where online bigger distractions before. Are you confident that this is not going to throw you off practical working on my report and went through the game plan today. We're GONNA practice remind. Tony Brown has said to you honey. I'm done with it. Okay anything else on Miami waste. Any other questions started out of eighteen -sition at about the same answer that question actually and within the last hour Brown's agent drew Rosenhaus shared the advice he gave his clients on sportscenter coast to coast Antonione. I have been unfortunately this possibility and what I want to emphasize is that and Tonio takes these allegations very seriously. I'm advising him to let the truth come out. I'm advising him to concentrate concentrate on football. I'm advising him to cooperate with the Patriots with the NFL with the NFL PA all right so so let's welcome in NFL insider Dan Graziano Dan. Let me ask you first right off the bat. We're is Antonio Brown right now. My understanding understanding is that he's ellen the practice field New England with the Patriots plenty of people on the scene there reporting that they're wearing Jersey number one so as expected. He's practicing today with the Patriots. Okay so what's happening now in this case as you see it the NFL has begun. It's supposed to begin its investigation into this matter today from what I was told this morning. League officials will meet on this decide how to proceed as Adam schefter reported. The accuser in this case says that she she will meet with the NFL. That's scheduled to take place next week. That has you know. Ryan is a big factor in when the League conducts investigations whether they can get cooperation from and the victim accuser in the case so if she's willing to talk that helps the investigation they don't know what's going to happen in terms of what the investigation will find whether they're going to have to put him on the Commissioner's exempt list whether they can put them on the Commissioner's exempt list in the absence of hard evidence or or criminal charges as has often been present in previous situations that involve the commissioner's exempt list so it's still very early and at this point is really hard to project what's going to happen so at this point ain't is he someone who you would expect to play on. Sunday and what would the league consider in deciding whether or not to put him on the exempt was based on what kinds of conversations and information they find out to the question of whether he'll play Sunday. I asked that directly of a source I talked to this morning running and was told it's just too soon to know in terms of the way this works. The Commissioner is an exempt list is a device that league uses to sort of hold a guy off the field field and continue to pay him while their investigation into a personal conduct policy matter is ongoing so they could put him on the Commissioner's exempt list just is to sort of get him not to be callous about this but disorders and get him out of the way out of the public while they figure this out but it's a tricky situation because he can push back and the NFL PA they can push back on whether that's a proper use of the commissioner's exempt list whether he has the right to play in the absence of anything other than a lawsuit which is effectively an allegation at this time if the League in the next couple of days and counter something it believes to be hard evidence concrete evidence that there's something Amiss here that he engaged in misconduct and that they could end up suspending him then yes he could end up on the commissioner's exempt list but it's Wednesday afternoon. Their game is in what four days it's going to be pretty tough to turn it around in that amount of time yeah Dan. There's another aspect to this. You've got play like Patrick. Chung playing for the Patriots. He's facing a criminal investigation involving drugs. He's playing so for all the talk talk of the fact that he could be placed on the exempt or not. How do the Patriots look at that and how does the League factor that when you have one person playing he's got a criminal investigation and are the person them as this claim who might actually be put on an exempt list. Well obviously very different situations. Patrick Chung is is under indictment for cocaine possession and he's scheduled to have a court appearance on November eighth. The League has elected not to put him on commissioner's exempt list while L. at decides what to do about the personal conduct policy and that's their right they could wait to see how the legal case plays out and then decide whether he should be subject to discipline but in the meantime they have allowed him to continue to play the key differences in the case the cases excuse me the allegations against Antonio Brown are about violence against women women sexual assaults something that has the league has been in the public eye for for several years now and has been subject to intense criticism of how they've handled other cases involving involving violence against women so it makes a big difference in terms of public perception in terms of how the league ways this matter versus. What's gone on with Patrick Chung so I don't. I don't know that it's GonNa make that equivalency when they look at this. I think the look at this case on its merits and decide how to move forward in the context of what's being alleged here with regard to Antonio Brown. Okay absolutely the message today from so many being. We don't want condone this kind of activity that could affect what they do here. Dan Thank you and take a look at this. This is Antonio Brown there on the practice field practicing for the first time with the New England patriots again. This was expected that he would practice practice. There was some doubt based on the claims that came out last night but there he is in his very first practice as a new England patriot. Mike Reese will join us a little bit later with more on that but for now now we turn the sports illustrated legal analyst and University of New Hampshire law professor Michael McCann Michael Your lawyer so if you're advising him you're handling in this case. How do you want to handle this from Antonio. Brown's perspective right I think as a starting point get all the facts clearly. The complaint includes a number of damning details whereas his rebuttal through his attorney offers a very different perspective. I think in a case like this it could it'd be both sides are telling some truth and maybe some not truths. The lawyer has to really drill down the facts and then secondly. There's the witness. There's the fact that there was another are football player. Mentioned in the complaint that that to me is a very key fact that deserves some time. If I'm his lawyer I want to know who is that guy who does he. He played for the League is going to try to question him. Yeah drew Rosenhaus also make the distinction innocent until we learn what happened here and this is not a criminal case. It's a civil case but could this become a criminal case. It could Ryan because now the law enforcement in Miami is now aware of of this allegation it doesn't appear as you mentioned at the top of the show that she notified law enforcement at least not based on what we know now. They know they could start looking going into it. That said the threshold for charging. Someone is a lot higher than bringing a lawsuit. There has to be probable cause. There wouldn't be a conviction lessons beyond a reasonable doubt so they're really apples and oranges so while it's possible he could be charged and in Florida you could be charged with sexual assault. It could be up to thirty years in prison. I think we're nowhere near that that based on what we know so far you know Michael the other interesting part of this is there's talk of a countersuit. What challenges does he face if that happens if if this proceeds in civil courts well a countersuit could provide some leverage for him and that he could sue her for for instance torts interference with contractual relations which is very basically you are interfering with my employment as a member of the New England patriots and as an NFL player and and as a member of a union you're interfering intentionally. You're disrupting that can't really bring a defamation suit because normally statements that are made in litigation are are exempt from defamation claims he could bring that kind of torches interference claim but the risk their ride is that you do that then he opens himself up to more pre trial trial discovery a larger scope of questions that he would have to answer. Maybe share more emails and texts. He better know his own facts before. He does something like that now very tough catch twenty money to that he might face there. Michael. Thank you very much. Thank you and let's bring in. ESPN senior writer meet a times for a little more perspective on this Meena when and you heard about these claims. What was your initial reaction well. I was shocked for a number of reasons. Antonio Brown's obviously been in the new cycle all summer because of his Badri off the field. He thought that might be coming to an end within landing in New England once again. He's back in the spotlight. Then upon reading now Gatien's Ryan. I was shocked by the severity of them. The level of detail yes. This is a civil suit that doesn't detract from the severity of them but it also takes away from pro potentially some evidence that might be available the suit does does mentioned emails mentions that the accuser confided in three people in all of that will matter to the NFL into law enforcement if they decide to investigate. I mean the other side of this. Is We talk about football. We're obviously a sports channel but this is a sexual assault case with some pretty horrifying claims here is enough attention being paid to what the accuser is saying in this case and to what this case is really all about at its heart that matters a great great deal. I covered the NFL and I understand why we're looking at this from the perspective of the League the team the player but it's far more important to put the perspective of not just the accuser and potential victim here but victim survivors who are listening to US talk about it. the language that we use these are really serious serious allegations and when there is a rush to immediately discredit them or to sort of lessen the severity of them that can be very painful for people to hear It doesn't frankly matter that any of the men involved in this talking about this are the fathers of daughters what matters is the truth and how we talk about it absolutely and then on the the opinion of what to do with Antonio Brown these are just accusations at this point not that they're not to take a position on that one way or another but the NFL the Patriots have talked about. They don't want to condone this kind of activity. What should they do as this. This case develops and should he be placed on an exemplary because of the kind of perspective. They've been putting out there about how they view. These cases as hard as the exert it lists as Dan Graciano put it. This would be new territory in terms of placing them there without a criminal case. The League has to act very quickly to determine the severity of the allegations evidence from the Patriots perspective. I would be curious to know what they knew. I guess upon signing him. Antonio Brown's rounds agent drew Rosenhaus said earlier the anticipated this coming so I have questions about the teams awareness of that. I think this is going to be a massive issue for them. Dan they're going to be asked about it a lot. Whether Bill Belichick likes that or not going forward and I imagine that they will act with a potential distraction in mind at a time when we take the position of we want to believe people who make these claims to the Patriots to the NFL say look with put him on the exempt list and fill out later or do they say let's let this play out because we wanNA look at his side too. I think the important here is not to say oh be automatically believe everyone is that we take them seriously and that's what we need need to see from the League and from the team because in the past when dealing with issues of sexual or domestic violence they have not right and so there shouldn't be a rush to brush aside aside or to exonerate the player there should be a rush to take these allegations seriously and do as best they can determine the truth all right. Thank you so much appreciated today marks eighteen years since the terrorist attacks of September eleven two thousand one. This is a day that changed life in in the United States forever and it's a day that we will never forget major league baseball played a significant role in helping the nation come together in the wake of the tragic attacks and they continued. Can you the tradition of remembrance today all thirty. Major League Baseball teams were honor those whose lives were lost or affected and many teams will recognize first responders and public service personnel during pregame ceremonies each ballpark will display a silhouetted banner ribbon that reads we shall not forget while players coaches and umpires will wear caps with the side patch of the ribbon during games those caps are available for sale and MLB will donate all of its royalties from those sales to the National September Eleventh Memorial and Museum Damn the Pentagon Memorial Fund and the Flight Ninety Three National Memorial. Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected on that fateful day when it comes to hiring you you don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot. COM POST A job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using intuitive online dashboard and when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot dot com slash outside. That's indeed dot com slash outside terms conditions and quality standards apply. There's Antonio Brown had his first patriots. It's practice earlier today. He's accused of sexual assault on multiple occasions by his former trainer may wondered if he would take the field for the first time as a New England Patriot in the wake of those claims claims well as you see he did and Espn Patriots reporter Mike Reese joins us now live from foxborough where Brown just wrapped up that practice Mike what stood out to you you about his appearance at practice today. Let's start with the Mood Ryan. This was supposed to be an exciting day for Antonio Brown and the Patriots it's I I practice with the team but a much more serious tone around the whole day here at Gillette Stadium and we've got a very limited view of practice today you only really saw a little bit but a jogging a little bit of stretching and so it was really more about what Antonio Brown was wearing than what he was doing a temporary Jersey number one wide receivers can't wear number number one and of course Antonio Brown known for the number eighty four veteran tight end Benjamin Watson has that number for the Patriots he's currently serving an NFL suspension for four games so it almost reflects Ryan the uncertainty the temporary nature of where we are right now with Antonio Brown and the Patriots you just can't lock this in just yet and it certainly is interesting symbolism. Mike what are the Patriots saying right now about the situation surrounding Brown well Bill Bill Belichick held a news conference at eleven forty five eastern time and if there was one word I would use to describe it. It was tense in the room bill belichick saying saying we're taking it very seriously all the way through the organization but he did not expand on the teams statement he said when we know more will say anymore he was peppered with some questions. Ryan but he wasn't budging he wanted to keep the focus on the team's next game Sunday against the Dolphin and so with that game Sunday Mike the the question becomes what's the thought process about whether he might play or not play on Sunday well Bill Belichick was asked that directly and he called this a day to day situation so he didn't address that and where I would go with that. Ryan is what the Patriots are trying to do and they do this with all of their new players. It's really unless focusing on the game and more about introducing him to their culture and I'll give you an example in the Patriots Locker Room. Antonio Brown's locker is just a couple all stalls away from Tom Brady ever since Antonio Brown. I arrived here on Monday. Tom Brady and Antonio Brown building a little bit of a connection first first off the field and now today for the first time on the field so it's really more for them about introducing him to the way they go about things very team. I disciplined wind structure with the team and Tom. Brady as one of the big leaders in that locker room trying to help bring Antonio Brown into that culture. Is there a sense that he may speak speak or other. Players may speak today there is Tom. Brady is currently on the media schedule for four o'clock eastern time and usually in situations like this Ryan you hear from the team leaders and the Patriots have a couple of players who have been with the club for eight nine ten years in in Matthew Slater the son of Pro Football Hall of Famer Jackie Slater One of the fine men in the National Football League Devin mccourty. We hear a lot about him has been a nine in year captain for the team and usually what happens in situations like this you hear from those players just about how the team is responding to everything that that hit that comes with Antonio Brown joining the team because there really is no uniform thought there that's going to affect different players in different ways certainly will be interesting to see see what they have to say. Mike thank you so much great reporting appreciate it. We'll be right back. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting door living. I think most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls he has plenty of time to think if we could sadly she has no brain however when in the most nesting doll here's the GEICO not only saves people money but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious you should switch because yes switching to gyco is a no no brainer pitchy the most nesting lot in life sportscenter six after bt. I was sage and Kevin they'll have Dak Prescott. It's comments about getting a new deal done plus. Tim Curtains thoughts on the Phillies playoff chances and what can Kyle Murray and Lamar Jackson do for an encore and their week two matchup chop sportscenter on ESPN and the ESPN APP and the hunt for October is on tonight on ESPN and the ESPN APP. We'll we'll have a double header for you with the leading braves and the Phillies who are in the Wildcard Chase at seven eastern then the cubs were also chasing the in a wildcard. Oh Card at Petco to take on the padres okay again. Antonio Brown is practicing today just not long ago. You saw him on the field field. I practice as a patriot. We'll have more on this story tomorrow on Antonio Brown in the meantime stay tuned right here for NFL. I'll actually be heading over there without the tie and again. We'll give you more updates as we get them tomorrow. We'll see you tomorrow N._F._L. Live is next.

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Challenging The Game

Around the Horn

16:18 min | 10 months ago

Challenging The Game

"Around the Horn around the home with Jackie macmullan Frank Guy Sola Bill plachy welcome. Everybody roadblocks in baseball's restart. Is that happening because of virus. Is it happening? Because of money we start with Blake. Snell CY young winner. From two years ago he was on twitch quotes for me to take a pay cut is not happening because the risk is through the roof. It's a shorter season. Let's play no. I gotta get my money. The risk is way the hell higher and the amount of money on making way lower. Why would I think about doing that? Broke I'm risking my life and quote. Go clash people start with you around the view? How do you hear that? I hear it like he needs to zip it like any ballplayer. Who Talks about the money needs to ZIP as America reopens? Everyone's going to undergo some risk. Everyone and we'll have to risk until the vaccine that won't be for a couple of years now so everyone is doing it and everyone is having to do it under duress in pay pay cuts and difficult pay conditions. And here's a man making seven million dollars a year who may have to make only three million dollars a year and he won't do it. It's not worth the risk save it. It sounds greedy. It sounds tone-deaf America doesn't want to hear it. We're all going through this. Blake go through it with this or not. But don't sound so greedy about it for a Guy Solo bring you and your did you hear Blake's now who says you can't put a price tag on your health. I think Blake's no just did exactly that's supposed to make seven million if it's pro be three point five million but the owners are looking for a fifty fifty split which would be less money. But you know this Tony. There are a lot of major league. Baseball players. Say That Texas Blake. Sounds that thanks a lot for saying exactly what we're thinking. The olders Major League baseball came to the players in March and said you know what it's going to be pro rated now. They're kind of changing on the fly. It saying well. We can't get any attendance. So that's forty percent of our revenue so you have to feel the pinch. I understand what the players are saying. But you get a little. It gets a little awkward when you start behind the health issues and then you say but I want my money but all. That's in play here right. I mean this is a huge labor issue. Which if we go back to baseball loyal sports labor issues. It's always billionaires versus millionaires. And who gets blamed for that but now you add only the most difficult medical scientific thing we've had to deal with in in all of our lives all of this. Jackie mackel bring you. And how did you hear Blake's nil? Well see Antonio it's all about. The verbiage is because yes. The players do have fair based on what frank just told you and the owners have a beef too. Because if there's no people in the stands revenue is down everybody's going to have to bear the brunt but it's all in how you say it. I know so many people and I'm sure you do too out of work. They would kill to go to work right now. Tony for minimum wage. Never mind three and a half million dollars he's got. These athletes have to think about the world at large. What is going on right now. When you read it back to yourself or saint back to yourself. Tone-deaf doesn't even begin to describe it. Okay but let's break down a little bit more. Clearly there are players that would feel this way about their money or there could be layers. Feel this way about their health or health people in their household. I think might be more here. Can you see a world? Where twenty five percent of the League doesn't play any restarted season. Jackie Mac and seventy five percent. Make the decision to play. I think that's a very viable situation. I wouldn't blame any player because you hit on it. It's not so much about these young twenty something year old guys. It's the guys who have family at home. Maybe their grandmother lives with them. Maybe they have a parent that has respiratory issues. Those are the people that live in fear of this virus. I think one of the problems sometimes with this with the twenty-something generation is they think well even if I get it I'll recover from it. Well what about all the people around you? That's what they have to consider and bill plachy. No Tony I disagree with Jackie. I think they're all in or all out. There will be no point. Five percent of the this is the strongest union in the history of sport. And if they won't do it they'll be all I'm worried they'll be all out and I'm worried this little place in stain on baseball yes. I understand the negotiated per their pro rated contracts back in March. That was before the owners knew there would be nobody in the stands. There's nobody watching the game. This is a special condition. I'm not one to always side with the owners when this case nobody watching the games missing half the revenue. Somebody's got to take the brunt the rest of America abroad companies. One little side note to this whole thing about potential cuts the former major league player known as Prince Fielder would become the highest paid player in the League. It doesn't even pay. He got he got cut years ago. For the brewers scheduled to make a million regards what happens. He's getting his money out. Prince fielder and Bobby Bonilla will be the ones getting paid. We move on New York Wilson Stories that we talked about that you believe Russell Wilson storied Pro Football. Florio s an answer to questions. Today did the Sea Hawk cap talks with the browns two years ago about trading Russell Wilson and could the Seahawks Trade Russell Wilson in the near future even under his current contract. The answer to both those questions. Florio post was yes. Jackie Mac maybe he just went through this with Tom. Brady maybe this is different but rubbing exactly younger who this week through. I suppose it could be true but I think in the first case when they were talking about having conversation with the browns at the time Russell Wilson hadn't signed his new deal yet so for me. I bet that was a little bit of posturing insane. Okay you get not going to sign this fine I guess. Let's see world trade you to Cleveland. How do you like that in terms of now that he signed that deal? I suppose after two years or so if you WANNA rebuild around him or you want to add some new players. You might have some concerns about that. Big Guaranteed number. But I will tell you this. Russell Wilson has played eight seasons in the NFL. Tony know how many games. He's missed zero less than exactly. Okay Point May Frank Guy Sola. Do you believe any of this in the when the cults Cat Manning Peyton manning they had Andrew Luck and when the packers got rid of Brett Farr they had Aaron Rogers come along so we've seen it before that these legendary players sometimes don't finish the career with the teams are on most recently. Tom Brady but come on now. Russell Wilson is thirty one years old. He still one of the best quarterbacks in the League to me if this is going to happen. It's not going to happen anytime soon again. He's only thirty one and Jackie told you about his durability right and no one's even brought up the cap hits which are astronomical. But I ask you bill. Plaschke's you believe anything to this. Maybe sources say Russell. Wilson won't end his career as a seahawk. Yes I believe it and then talk about the durability Jackie right he has. He hasn't missed a game you know many times. He was sacked last year. Forty eight that's tied for the League lead. He gets hit. A Lot. Clock is ticking. He's a great quarterback franchise quarterback in two years. They will save eleven million dollars in cap space. If they get rid him they trade him. I think the clock is ticking on him. I think he's I believe is it can't do you have someone who's as good as him to take his job. That's the other Ashley. Nobody who the packers just who the packers just draft. The packers thinking about getting rid of Aaron is five years older sixty two years. We've been horn. We're taking a break right here coming up this story about piping in crowd noise into pro sporting events. They're not saying boo here. They're saying zoom though we're apart these days was sharing more so at Geiko we'd like to say thanks. Thanks for sharing your savage dance moves. Thanks for sharing your. Diy Haircut fails thanks for sharing your inner lip star. Now it's our turn to share with the GEICO giveback credit on car and motorcycle policies for current and new customers. Because we're committed for the long haul the fifteen percent credit last full policy term visit GEICO DOT com slash give back for more INFO and eligibility that line of pumped in fake crab. Noise was all over the place yesterday at the drill book conversation with Andy Tolerant today but went public and said she'll people I said Fox was working on everything for when sports comes back empty ambient noise virtual fans but everything is trying to be figured out frank. Beyer sell pipe in crowd noise when we get sports back. I can't sell this enough. I mean why do we need that who we trying to kid we get is not going to be anybody in? The building will acknowledge that. I need the crowd to tell me what I'm supposed to be excited when I'm supposed to boot as long as he announcers it there and the Games are going on. I'm fine with Jackie mic. I understand what you're saying frank but I think sometimes you underestimate that little background crowd noise it exists when there's an actual sporting event it's sort of the background noise when you're cooking dinner if you will and. I think it's very necessary. I'm serious I don't know if you Cook Frank. I happen to and I think it's necessary here. Just keep energy level up and to not have it a completely sterile environment when steph curry comes down and hits a fifty point five fifty foot bomb three or Russell Wilson Frozen. Ninety eight yard touchdown. Don't you want a little buzz in the background? I do know plachy about you frank by this enough. I know you're in new. York is not a lot cheering going on. You don't hear a lot of it. I understand that. Look just watching sports on television. You never see the crowd but you who the crowd noise so basically the crowd noise is piped in any way because the cameras don't show the crowds they show the action and you hear the noise. This will be the same thing. What's the difference it would be on Seinfeld? Fake fake fake fake fat. I hear that part of it frank what I thought was cool was with the UFC. And the announcer's voice is carried throughout the Octagon and the meat on meat. People Punch each other carried out through the octagon and some of the fighters thought they actually had a benefit from hearing the announcer and they got to be able to work off that. That's interesting to me. I love Mike up the players. That'd be enough for me. We'll move buyer sell to camp. He was released fifty one days ago. Still Not Cam. Are You thinking? They're still a team out there who sees he was a starter back up or should you wait for midseason and Denver team with an injured or underperforming quarterback bill last year. Round the Cam Newton. Let me give you some advice. There's a place you could come. You could rehab. You can learn a new offense. You could be an exciting new system Los Angeles and that would be the La rams come to the ranch cam the Ram Cam. Rams it would be perfect. That needs to go. That doesn't surprise anybody that bill road. La How about you? Jackie Mac my feeling is this cam. Newton is going to get signed. Tell people can actually look at him and see him Tony. The only reason he's not signed now is because of his injury history because of the shoulder and the foot that he had last year. People need to know if he's healthy then they can decide if they want to be his starter their backup or something else he should just sit back and wait. He's going to get an opportunity once everything resumes. I hear that though Todd. Gurley to get picked up without a without a physical in the traditional sense. I think yes now Jackie. Now you're cooking. You happen to be one hundred percent right forget about the newsletter. I starts. He has a terrific resume. He's been to a super league. Mvp nobody knows how healthy is. He's better than James Swinson. He's better than doll but we need to see him out there. He's better off waiting and then sucking up with the team season all right those scores. Jackie Mac Frank sold advancing into the shutdown bill latchkey rounding Cam. You didn't like what Ram Cam. No that really did it over the phone bill. Showdown coming up. We're going to be talking about. Well is the breakfast of champions tripped. Alfreido IS THE GAME OF MVP. Stacks perfect perfect game remember this ten years ago. Armando Galarraga Perfect and Jim. Joyce not so perfect and that one second the two are killing two major league baseball to change the record book and make it a perfect game for Gallaraga Frank Guys Sola Jackie macmullan. Welcome to do you. Make the arguments for or against chaining the official record book. I feel badly for Gallaraga. Come on during that game. I'm sure there was some borderline pitches. We're going to go back and look at every ball that was called the strike and could that have changed the perfect game. He should have had a perfect game. Absolutely but what about when Derek jeter hit that home run that Jeffrey reached over and stole from the Baltimore Orioles. That's still cats. We're going to go back and replay that Barrow understand. Jackie Mac you shocking Jerry cheater in francs answer. I'm stunned listen I feel bad for a Mondo two and this is really unfortunate but listen. We're talking about today. So everybody is recognizing yet again. Ten years later that it was a perfect game down in history as perfect game. I'm sorry that has to be enough. Well I'm sorry that you guys have said that 'cause I was about to give you guys all the winds that I made a mistake when I gave you losses in the past but now I can't do that because he just made the point we move on to Yati Molina telling Marley Rivera that he believes he is a hall of Famer. Jackie I to you make the case for against Yadi Molina and the whole thing I will make the case where man I will also tell you. This is a time when numbers do why. This is a guy that didn't hit for average or power and his lifetime batting average of two eighty two. That's got nothing to do that. He's one of the best. Defensive catchers ever top four in the L. Valuable Player voting is in right guy. He's finished with over two thousand hits. That's one thing and look at the catcher. That most recently have gone in. Pudge Rodriguez Mike. Piazza certainly better offensive players but come on now. Melina is one of the better. Defensive CATCHERS OF HIS GENERATION. He deserves to go in that position. Does he get enough guys in Cooperstown? Plus we'll get all the Molina's to percents the sex and got the point. Don't worry about it. I'm splitting the point. You both have a menu get boyd showdown three. The view of the shrimp. Alfredo Lamar Jackson told jade of CNBC. Shrimp Alfredo before every game. Frank Having Shrimp Alfredo on your belly for an NFL game does that an end. Performance or diminishing. How does it come on Tony? You're Italian you know you do not combine. There's no in out freighter sauce that is say no no. It's not Italian. I can't speak for the whole book but on the show. I will not go ahead. Jackie Mac so I might have had two kids. I might have gained weight. I might have made a list of ten banned substances. Guess what was number one. Alfredo kidding me okay. Good for the poor Jackie Back. You just earned facetime for today thank you. I have a problem. Look at this gorgeous bottle of Tequila. This is what you've been watching Michael Jordan sipping during the last dance. Yes isn't that beautiful? I got this bottle from Celtics work grouse back at Beck and his lovely wife. Amelia for something. They're doing called. Taste your toast your teen and it's to help support restaurant people restaurant strong and the US bartenders guild so GD. Buses involved was edens and m might toast. Is this to all the first responders and all the health people like my lovely niece. Emily I toast you. Thank you for doing this. Nba owners well. God you're here well sportscenter.

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A Star Is Born

Around the Horn

23:24 min | 6 months ago

A Star Is Born

"Jackie mcmullan. L.. DAWKINS SPRANG IS SOLO. In history of professional basketball, the list of humans who have done look. And Donovan Mitchell yesterday hilariously new Mitchell joining shorten and Iverson Mitchell joined with his second fifty plus series. And then dodge. We can say this ESPN STATS NIPPLE A buzzer Beater playoff game winner at twenty one, forty, three, seventeen, thirteen triple double never before in history of the sport. So there's that. Let's start there how the clippers had Reggie Jackson on him not quite letter not bowl George not everybody on the team and how'd you knew he was going to do what he did before enduring in doing it and how we still couldn't do it. Now the fans did react and doing it very odd Jackie, what happened? What is Luke? Eight Tony You just defined what greatness is the greatest players ever played this game announced to their defender exactly what they're gonNa do before they do it and then do exactly what they tell them and they still scorn win and looted dodged is honestly that special don't discount how hard a step back three is unit is Reggie Jackson on you and clearly the clippers made a mistake there they switched I don't know why Kawhi Leonard Switch there he shouldn't have clearly and that's The one big question I have about this series is we thought the clippers were going to be one of the most dominant defensive teams in this bubble in this post-season that has not come to pass and give Rick Carlisle little credit to buy going small putting Trey Burke in that lineup and give and making it. You know you're GONNA try to double Luca for Trey. Burke has made them pay for that. Meanwhile while Krista porzingas there other Unicorn didn't even play in this game. It's just it's unbelievable. It's unthinkable at his age triple double and that shot over ten lifetime in game-tying or go and situation in the final minute of game. This is the first and not that's the most amazing thing. You Say Jackie there you said lifetime he's twenty one. So there's what happens and what it does for this series, which is a huge topic, but also the extreme rarified air he is in twenty one years of age your basketball hall, of Famer Jackie What are we witnessing here? I think he's one of the top five players in the game right now and listen he's shooting now he's finishing games, I. He could end up being the MVP within two or three years. Why not? He's in crowd kicks. So I can't get you to call the magic or Jordan Larry Bird all in one. Pillow maybe you're really do that break, you know what I think is a combination of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird I think most jeans if you're asking. The draft everybody in the League. There's a lot of them would take Luca. I, remember they're down twenty one points in this game to Jackie's point they do not have. KRISTAP Porzingis. They easily could have given up. He carried his team like he's been doing all year long and to think that Kobe Bryant's birthday here's Luca Danni providing colby like moment his first beat it's going to be one that everyone's going to remember right now it's the moment down in the bubble and it was such an incredible moment for him and for the NBA and now the clippers who did not defend that play well, they're in a dogfight. Yeah they didn't defend play well, right frank was the thought process. They're not have quietly or Paul George somewhere near by the time that shots released. Yeah and Jackie it said it they were switching but get the ball out of his hands make somebody else and I get it Trey Burke Tim Hardaway junior bull played very well make somebody else besides Luke because guess what that step back three is mark. Jackson, point out on the air that's his shot he works on that and it worked yesterday. And now we bring an L. Dunkin. What is Luca Dodger Gel I mean look is ridiculous right and like to come to the defense of Reggie Jackson because I picked on to like none of the clippers have really been able to defend him particularly well, except for Marcus Morris, who seemed to have been giving him some fits. It's not about what Luka has because Luke has it all to me yesterday's game was about what we didn't see Paul. George. Like where is Paul George in this equation? Because S, he's not shooting well, and that's well documented. You missed a wide-open bunny at the end of regulation, but he's also not playing any defense. You can't be one of the best two way players in the game and not play defense. It's ironic to me that he mentioned James Harden a couple of weeks ago or a couple of days ago. Sort of snarky saying well, I'm not James Harden he meant offensively defensively they're actually right on par with each other, which is not really good because James. Against His. Opponents to shoot around forty percent and Paul George is allowing the mavs to shoot around thirty nine percent when he's the primary defender something's got to give and right now he's not bringing anything to the take. Jackie what do you think the malfunction is here right now George this series but overall in the playoffs. With obviously he's struggling with shooting but if I were docker river, it's the first thing I would do to say look. Don't worry about scoring right now we need you to defend. We know you can rebound. You're a good facilitator. The shots will come do all those other things for us and I'll be happy and then I would go in and say to my staff. Let's throw up three or four place and run it for Paul George the first quarter. So we can get him to the rim, get him to the line, get his free throw motion going and the. Visualize the ball going through the whole and navy you can get him on-track. I need more on Luca Danni here I just need more every Friday remember the story on Friday mantras Arrow calling Luca dodges quote. White boy end quote on the court. This'll became a big deal and this is another reason what was Unin third rail who you don't call out the best competitor on the floor. And give yourself a huge disadvantage from basketball since Franken Harold, apology for the game on the court yesterday adequately never you. Was Silly and I think doc rivers I'm sure the League mantras herald right now's not the time to be talking like that I get it. That's kind of standard trash talking on the court but considering where we are probably wasn't the right thing but I'll say this about the clippers if you go back to Patrick Beverley and Paul George Taunting Damian. Lillard and what mantras heralded the other night trying to intimidate Luca Danni. This team does a lot of talking for a team that hasn't won anything except for I Leonard and Doc rivers the rest of them they talked they don't do much winning. L. Heralds apology put that to bed for you enough adequately. Yeah. I feel like we probably made more of this than Luca. Danni did like maybe thirty years from now he'll pull a Michael Jordan and tell us that literally every slight was motivation for him in every single game but I can't imagine someone we've been calling generational for years now needed someone reminding them of what race he was in order to key him to something like we saw that's just pure skill in magic that had nothing to do in my opinion with what was said to him. We'll move on Philadelphia Seventy sixers. It's possible. They had an unsatisfying end to their season. Let's go well swept in the first round and changes coming just about any team for this team specifically, and the seven years of processing building with Brett Brown and the commitment to Embiid and Simmons Jackie, where do they go from here? Is it a blow it all up situation? Well it isn't for me, but it's a very good question Tony. Both of those players are future hall of famers on keeping, them I'M GONNA, make it work by the way. I. Saw it worked for large swatches lefties when they had Jimmy Butler and they had a guy like J. J. Red X. Threes around him to take some of the pressure off. Here's the problem though if you look at their roster, who's the highest paid player in their team, it's not Simmons or Embiid to bias hours in thirty, four, million a year and he made exactly two three pointers in this series Al Horford with they brought on at great expense who makes almost as much as Ben. Simmons. Made. Zero. So if you wanted to move on from those two, who on earth is going to take their contracts is going to be very interesting to see going forward how they loosen that roster to add wing wing players in shooters, which is what they need. Right so you'd say it's how this team was constructed is their fundamental flaw I. Understand that face to answer the question? Yes or no blow up the team your answer is no no no. Don't can have that you I mean, I don't know about blowing up the team just don't blow up been Simmons and Joel embiid are crazy here. You're talking about two all stars and I think Jackie Mack Sennett like future hall of famers in their mid twenties you want to break that up. That's absolutely insane. Yes. They need better complementary players. It's no knock on the guys that are around them, but they just don't fit that particular style Ben. Simmons. Is a great facilitator but he has. No one to facilitate to Joel embiid is always going to pull a double team in the post. There's literally no one to shoot at this point also though the rate of return on trading way all stars is incredibly low and should know that better than anybody else Hello Charles Barkley and Moses Malone and Wilt Chamberlain you train them away and get what in return. It doesn't make any sense. They need someone who's a little bit more create. You would agree this team is flawed as well. Caress. They're incredibly floor, but it does okay you have to do something but you don't have to get rid of one of the best. Course. Been Simmons and Joel embiid these are two generational talent on the same you don't have to do that I'm hearing that you bet That's to panelists have called Hall of famers. Already, we'll bring it frank is Sola. How do you fix this mess? Well I think they'll be a coaching change which is fine. Brown setup all season long to be the fall guy and I think a lot of it's GonNa fall on MBA because. Last year ended in the playoffs with him crying his girlfriend shoulders and he made it sound like everything was going to be better this year yet he didn't improve his fitness he still in games he's not a good enough defender. He has a long way to go. He needs to grow up now we get that he's entertaining on the court. He's got a lot of. Talent. But there's GonNa come a point like all the players in the league. You Judge on playoff success you'd never out of the second round the and the one time you made it to game seven that was Jimmy Butler dragging this team law I'm sticking right now Ben Simmons, and with Joel Embiid but the process, the whole thing is on a short leash for me. You brought up other. How good is Butler? Look right now on on team already headed to the second round. MIAMI. Let me ask you this. Jackie can eighteen built around the big man and this is in general but of course, also Philly embiid succeed in today's NBA. I, think they can, and when embiid was in the low post and by the way posted to high in this series the entire series if you posted lower, he might have been more successful. He is the best low post player in the game. Statistically, you just have to be used to dish ously and you need to surround shooters. Tony, that prevents the double team. He's got to get better obviously at passing out of the double team that's on him I. think he knows that but if you don't have perimeter shooters to help him, it's not GonNa work on any team. All right last question. So Brown's Future Bowl I. Think Frank said it. I'M NOT GONNA put words in your mouth Jackie and L. But do you believe he's the next coach? If so jay writes name has been floated around I read a report from votes today about Juwan, Howard maybe leaving Michigan maybe this would be a place for them does any of that makes sense for you Jackie. You could start us off. So you know the day Ben Simmons went down the sixers. Had No chance in the series against the Celtics. That's he was the guy that was going to take them I. Agree with Frank I think Brett Brown's a fall here but we all know that's how it works in the NBA One Howard I believe is already come out and said he's not interested in jumping back to the NBA. This will be very coveted job I think it's a shame that all lies at Brett Brown's feet I don't think that's fair. I think there are plenty of other places to point fingers as well. L. Dunkin. I'll let you get the last word here on a coaching change and feel how do J. Right why would you do it? Why? Why would you leave Villanova where you're contender to go to a place that squandered their best opportunity at a championship couple of years ago, and then saddlebags you with two contracts. You probably can't get rid of right and Al Horford and Tobias Harris. On top of that what Jay right likes to do run that motion offense is exactly what they are not set up to actually done the late pieces are okay glorify. Up Picking up with you're putting down but to go, you told me to hall of Famer is on the roster. That's pretty great. It's pretty great to go to a job with to hall favors. Take a break right here I got three hall of famers right in front of me. We're going to be talking about Donovan Mitchell Jamal. Murray. Double Fifties in this game in bars. No. It's your home speaking and I need you to do me a couple of favors I cut you get that blueberry that rolled under the fridge last week it's throwing my functions way off second thing, bundle your home and car insurance with GEICO. It's easy and we could save money. Lastly, I know you're thinking of painting the nursery back to off white, but I'm actually feeling this baby blue didn't think it was my collar but I m pulling it off Geico for bundling made easy go to GEICO DOT COM today. GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of Gyco, could already save you. So what are you waiting for your baby to let you sleep in? Sleeping another half hour. Thanks Sweetheart. I her and you'll change yourself to. There's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. Who? Fit He's in a playoff game for the first time. In NBA history I feel like we're saying this a lot. Now I ister Utah Twenty Nine Denver One twenty seven Mitchell averaging thirty nine point five for this series. Think about it. This way of Jamal. Murray didn't go off in overtime in game. One series series is rap frank isolate. How Utah Rip. Off three straight wins what is Donovan Mitchell doing that Denver? had. No answer for exploiting them in the pick and roll can't defended they're missing some defenders. It's Kinda similar to what Kemba Walker was doing to Philadelphia and Joel Embiid but give down Mitchell credit. The final two minutes of game one made that big mental mistake with you know the eight second violation they go on to lose that game. He's been outstanding since then really one of the breakout stars of the bubble. It's a great point about that violation Jackie Mac House Mitchell, doing this how is Utah doing this? Utah has been fantastic. We'll Barton and Gary Harris Sosa. The two guys frank was alluding to they're not part of Denver's team in their two very important defensive players but I love the way that Donovan? Mitchell. has taken over this team of always felt it was his team and give Mike Conley a ton of credit. We don't talk about his story enough left the bubble for the birth of his child came back and played great in this game twenty plus points zero turnover. That's what you want. Road Point Guy he looks comfortable. Jackie I know you if Donald didn't do what he did. We'd be talking about Donovan Mitchell for hours today. So I wanted another chance here to explore some people thought maybe he's a player is hit a ceiling. He's not the stock. He is the star of this team. What are you seeing from him? How can people think that I don't know how old Donovan Mitchell is he's really young. I don't have it right in front of me, but he's under twenty five. Why do we declare these guys done and by the way you should also be talking about tomorrow Murray to he's been incredible. Dunkin bring you and your on this. Yeah. I. Can tell you that he's young. Jackie because yesterday from watching the game and I'm thinking, Wow, the kids are alright. Here's a staffer you. There will been five games in NBA postseason history where a player twenty, three years or younger has put up a fifty piece and three of them Communists series alone because Donovan Mitchell. Mary had. Credible numbers to bear how fantastic they are and I love the Donovan Mitchell who got so much criticism after last year in the postseason where he largely disappeared as really able to bounce back and carry that team. A wonder what that's about. The history of the sport we're having young guys put a fifties baby it's part of the bubble. To travel. You're you're really I don't know I don't know how. Things or have soft. We'll move on buyer sell to story I want to get your read on or the nets making play for Gregg Popovich. This being widely reported how? How did they pull that off? It would take permission from San Antonio Brooklyn's even talked to him right now whether Popovich would find Brooklyn practice is there anything in here checking I'll start with you. It's called swinging for the fences. Sean marks is part of the Spurs family tree why not try it even if pop says, Hey, look I'm not going anywhere and San Antonio says you're right we wanNA keep you here. You've just shown your stars Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving who absolutely love and revere pop like almost everybody hey, we tried man. So even if you don't get him rate goodwill with your two young stars, why not do this? Frank. What are you hearing? This is what Jackie said. This is all about Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant and a coach I can get through to both of them. Remember. Sean. Marks. was asked about this on new. York radio back on July third. He didn't exactly deny it. I have a funny feeling Gregg Popovich been there. So long that if he really wanted to move on and try something different I think San, Antonio would actually let him go. So you think it's within the realm of possibility San Antonio would say, sure take the greatest coach that we've ever. Have they do have the nineteenth pick of the draft, maybe some compensation like that, but he's been there for so long as accomplished so much if that's what he wanted to do I think they could figure something out. L. Dunkin. The nineteenth pick of the draft I don't think that's going to be enough for the spurs depart with A. Yeah. The window for the nets to win is very, very small. So of pop feels like he can come in and win a championship in the next couple of years. Great. But if not, then he's GonNa, find himself back in where he is right now is an tonio, which is essentially in a rebuilding stage. I don't know why he would do that besides the fact that Kyrie Irving likes to whine and Gregg, Popovich likes wine. So that makes sense. You're crazy. Wow what some more attractive job fill your Brooklyn Jackie. Or. Brooklyn. Broke the more. Right now Brooklyn, as constituted better. Yeah I'm saying Brooke you're going to get Kevin Durant role players. They're a good I'm saying Brooklyn. That's the job you move on sell three. Let's one more topic is talking about here is the testing disaster that happened in the NFL this weekend seventy, seven tests affecting Lebanon. Teams believed to be inaccurate the came back positive negative thinking about it this way it happened three weeks from now they have canceled week one what type of problem does the NFL half here L. What are you? Not a problem at all, see it as a good thing because they were able to stuff great thing. This is a consequence free a fire drill that they were able to at the end of the day come out of the week in the same way that they started with just four players out of two, thousand, five, hundred on the covid nineteen this is perfect for them. Now, they can build a contingency plan around what happens if on Game Day, they get a false positive I. think it worked out great for them. Yeah I think the NFL has to be happy but I think there'll be a similar situation to baseball. If positive test do comeback the just GonNa forge ahead maybe some teams we'll have to miss a game and somehow make it up. But this would affected eleven teams that's at the schedule I mean that's basically the entire schedule. Jackie but how do you know it's a false positive and enough time to make a decision that's going to affect everybody in your league, and by the way, this isn't confined to football what about all the other labs all across the country that gives us false test positive for normal ordinary citizens I think this is. All's positives is a huge problem with testing false negatives reading an article in science based on science. This weekend bulls negatives are actually by exponentially more common than false positives. We never consider that and talk about that either this is part of a pandemic this stuff. Tough. That's why it took tough for them to proceed with the season. Tough I to proceed with frank is still it out with that boy total we say goodbye to Frag Jackie L. showdown shot. 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"They usually even want has a talking Bush route cervitti Davis, same way three from Jackson. Before Lee's tracks fires. Just. Welcome to the job. We are live from Oakland, California riposted, our Goto spot in the bay lake chalet restaurant on the shores of the mighty lake Merritt. Yes. That's us right there. It is beautiful here today, and I am so happy. I'm Rachel Nichols alongside our hall of Famer Jackie MacMullan, and the two thousand three NBA champ. And of course, Mr. we believe warriors, even Jackson so good to see you here, especially because these are going to be the final games, played at oracle Rina. What does that mean to you video gummy motion? That was time for me. One of the witness winning this coach of all time believed in me, maybe a captain in I was able to play big in that series. Beetle one-seat those this team tell you all the time. Raises teams is the only team I played for that made me feel like family. So anytime I get to come back here and go on oracle is a special feeling. I'm with you at some of these different venues, I feel like you get a bigger reaction here than you do in San Antonio, where he won the title. Oh, no question. I'm definitely star. Have my home day here able to Stephen Jackson day here in the bay is, is this city, just appreciate what we did in that short time. And we, we acted with the city every day. So we was a part of the city. I just basketball players these moments at oracle are going to be so amazing. We're really excited to see it in game three that is going to be tomorrow night, nine o'clock eastern on ABC actually have coverage tip off with a jump special on ESPN at eight o'clock. So hang out with us in primetime will jump after dark for you, and then em. The canton will be on ABC at eight thirty. Sound jumper? Dr. Different John after. There is that line in a league of their own when Tom Hanks says that winning is not supposed to be easy. It's the hard that makes it great. He says, which is a pretty important idea. We've talked about before on this show and absolutely something that both the warriors and the raptors are grappling with right now as this NBA finals shifts to Oakland. Let's start with Golden State. Yeah. They've had their share of incidents over the past couple of years, but none of it has really been heart rate. The biggest complaint about the warriors that they would often play board most wins, even playoff games. We're just treated as matter of fact until they lost, Kevin Durant last month. Then it got harder. But it also meant that when the team won, well as both Steph curry Andrew mongering have explicitly said on this show. It also made it more joyful. We saw it in the way they celebrated in the last two rounds is dream on put it. It's not that they were celebrating not having Kevin. It's that when you actually have to work to figure things out to win it changes, what winning feels like. Of course, the hard. Good now be getting a lot harder for Golden State in game three ga- Klay Thompson listed as questionable with a hamstring strain kevon looney is out with a fractured. Collarbone and Durant still appears not quite ready to return. And look that could al- always change. Katie does seem close if he's not on the floor tomorrow night. It's a good bet that he will be there for game four and Klay. Well, clay says he's playing tomorrow. This could be wishful thinking players almost always say they can play. But clay has never missed a postseason game in his career and gets the benefit of the doubt from me until proven otherwise remember last year when JR Smith Sam Reid clay in game one of the last year's finals that left clay with a high ankle sprain. That's an injury. They can often take up to two months to heal yet. He started game two and the rest of that series and Klay. His told me this hamstring injury, this year doesn't feel nearly as bad as that ankle did. So we'll see even if he does play though it is hard to see him moving. At one hundred percent which means it's going to be harder for the warriors, and it will big, the question of whether the raptors can take advantage, given that they are dealing with some hard of their own. They've now given up homecourt advantage and they also have injuries. Kyle Lowry has a thumb injury severe enough that he told me and Tracy McGrady. He needs to completely numb it up before every game. And have you seen what he's wearing when he's not playing? I can't tell if he's trying to protect the thumb or just making sure he's prepared to pull out of ten muffins out of the oven at all times be ready for quite Leonard. He's having leg issues. The raptors say this is not a recurrence of what he had before, but rather some compensation fatigue of the opposite leg. Whatever it is, has not made the full force of his presence felt get in these finals. Yes. He's scored some points. He's done. Well at the free throw line, but honestly, we've heard more about how he feels about Kuala go or where he may or may not have maybe bought real estate. Maybe then we have about his basketball. That absolutely is going to have to change tomorrow night for Toronto to have a shot at winning this series really for either team game three is looking like it's going to be about whoever can deal with their version of hard better, which is supposed to be right. That's what makes winning in the NBA finals feel so great, Stephen. Do you think that the warriors can win tomorrow night, even of clay doesn't play there's going to be tough? There's going to be tough. They still have the guys still have Steph curry. I think what I love about it. Is it gives them a little adversity that, you know more in your chair came down on now? You're like I'm like. Broad those thanksgiving, this is amazing. I love straight. We'll let you stay up on the game. It feels good view shopper. You gotta now you gotta see how I live over here. I was gonna say we but. I mean look, we all do expect Klay to play. But even if he plays the mobility that he might have might be hampered. What are you kind of expect from them where you said some cages? Now rates that ankle sprain that Jared Smith that's worse than anything. Like out had Hampshire news. And I played through, you can get a shot to take a pill that can go away. That ankle is something that's really hard. So if he can get to that ankle asha-. I'm pretty sure he'll be fine. But not having him on the court. That's a new dynamic that they that they don't have to deal with. And that's hard to kinda just right in a finals. If you had a couple of series two Jess, what I haven't clay. I can see that. But just overnight is going to be difficult. Well, I'm interested to hear you say that I would've thought the hamstring was worse. So I learned something today on the jump, but I would be shocked like you of clay dozen play. But when he doesn't play I don't know if you'll see a box one again very effective on Steph curry at the end of this game. I imagine they've been in film, and talked a little bit about how you can get around that, but it does pose problems for you. And I think one of the biggest problems because. It's not even just Klay out. It's just the aggregate of everybody else that's hampered, you e can't give you the same kind of mirth, and now we don't even have Kvant looney in the lineup and all the numbers with kevon looney plane with Steph and Draymond. They're really really, really good. Now that a lot of that has to do is playing with with those guys. But when you put boogie on the floor, usually they like to play him, when they're spreading the floor with LA while curry, and Draymond are getting a break. You take these guys out now all your lineups have changed, and colonie was giving them the most minutes off the bench since K, D got hurt, so they have been leaning on him so much if he's not there. We don't have to say if he is not going to be there. He's not Morrow night. What do you expect to change with that? This is a luxury to have boogie cousins, Andrew bogut. And you gotta remember lonely got got taken out online that one book came back. So book is definitely a better player. I think bogus actually a better plan, the more experienced player too. So you're not really losing, anything you just giving these experienced guys a chance to, to play thing, that's going to help me. So I'm going to push back on you because whether or not their better players. It's are they better fit. And honestly, looney was a better fit. Of course, seen boogie out there with clay, and Draymond. I mean excuse me curry and Draymond. Sometimes he almost gets in the ways in a way. Right. So the other thing is boogie now and bogut, they're gonna have to play extended minutes. The reason they did so well in game two as you ass bogey to play what twenty eight minutes, which I think, is on the high end, and I don't how many voguish played ten minutes or thereabouts. So now if without looney those numbers go up, or do you go, small Yugo small? That's what Golden State gets in trouble with the raptor. Absolute loonies are huge huge loss. I do think that's a really big thing. And obviously if in went will win. Kevin Durant comes back because he is expected back. He could make it surprise appearance tomorrow night. We are kind of at that. Edge if he doesn't come back and game, three we do think that he'll come back and game for Ravi asleep. I'll just speculating because we won't know until the time he feels comfortable to step on the road. But that it's sort of what the plan is starting to look like so who's a good Kvant looney replacement Kevin Durant. So again, he's pretty good at grace it. So I think I mean, if they can kind of bridge, the gap, but your point about minutes is certainly a good one. Boogie was supposed to play. Twenty minutes in game two because looney went out because clay went out. He ended up playing twenty eight that is high and look all of these minutes that all of these starters have had to play Andre Iguodala having a place so many extra minutes. Kevin Durant went down. It is wearing on them. You can see it. Kevin. Durant was averaging forty five minutes a game before he got hurt. This is injuries happen. So I'm very curious to see how he manages all of that Steve Kerr in game three off to loan is contract year. We will still give. Yeah, absolutely zero to live. The doubt. And it's a good thing to bring up Stephen because pack up next. We're gonna be talking a little bit more about Hawaii, Leonard. You heard me mention at the top there he is reportedly suing Nike over the rights to his claw logo, which, of course, can no longer be used because of his deal with new balance. So we will discuss that a little bit. I it's time for our distant replay from this date in two thousand I kinda Koby shack for you, take a logo. Sorry producer. Two. Something good week for showing former highlights for Portland fans. Right. But man, this is a great one. This is such a fun game. I love this. This is the one that Chaco is points to as C. A friend like me. Hot dogs dogs, Mike. Why is your guy selling hot dogs in here? I'll get tickets at a game. I wanna see a hassle. But I missed that stadium atmosphere, so I brought the stadium atmosphere to work. Michael vivid seats, make buying tickets. Quick and easy. Find a seat you one and just a few clicks. Nice. I just got tickets to tonight's game. I scream get your ice cream here. You guys can all go home. Now we're good here. Mega mislead? Make miss. Macomb. Asli domus. Ankles checkout, this ankle breaking spin, youngster in Utah gotten travel, we'll double. So door. Look at that you can't use that foot work. She Everson saying that's what I used to day. Thanks. Okay. That's travel. Oh, my that the only thing said about his, nobody's drinking luggage gracious. All my goodness. How many steps is that? So this is nothing. I'm going to say this kid's totally cloak on Gary move. I like what you look just gets up. It's all right. Do them back. They cheat. Cheat Ramadan is over and his canter celebrated by eating seven hamburgers. Seven he did this Nick earlier this season and only practice the next day felt so sick stack. How many burgers do you feel? You could eat in once burger guy. I like Turkey, burgers. I'll probably get one and a half, but I'm of crawfish guy. And I ten pounds every time I said, I was ten. I was ten pounds of coffee. I was ten years old at camp Nawada the record for cereal. Sierra was eight nine. I went outside at and his canter take that Jackie eat nine with Syria, and then vomited in the lake he might be headed that way to anger management, Terrence Jones, Calvin boy about getting into it in the Philippines. Jones gets checked then hits below the belt and play with stuffed and then later Jones gets closed line or at their who is more responsible for escalating this, both of them. Neither of them, what is the point I don't understand what's going on, like okay at that point games over right after that one, but I. It's over now. But now at this point, all this stuff is TV. Everybody just regular. Nobody wants to ESPN Roach. Oh, what do we know where we're on shack in the food ever Asian? Check out this tattoo tattoo artists created. How long do you guys think this talk that is so beautiful? Everybody sixteen eighteen hours have heard on your lake to have a tattoo. I've no pets. Just numb. But that, that hurts time hollering that's impressive wanted to know whether you could get in questioning from this, this morning in our meeting. I mean, this is this is beautiful. It's all right. It's art. Ronnie take that is out to dinner. It's a lie vowed talk about. I don't know myself that much. I don't know myself them. Song, Diane who has told all of us that he likes to sit around and watch his old YouTube highlights all day long, but not that not. Do you know who loves something as much as that person apparently loves LeBron James, Leonard loves his call ago? It's funny I actually this is not the first time I've heard this last year. I was told that he actually had a big part designing this, if you look at it closely, it's not only his hand which is known for having. But it's the K L right that you can see right there and his number, and that he loved it, and that he sort of it was on his Nike gear, but he now says that Nike wrongfully Coppard copyrighted the logo key created it. He wanted to take it to new balance with him. He has not been able to do that. We have heard reports that the clippers looked into trying to buy the logo from Nike to try to give it to co I is some sort of recruiting effort that emperor nearly has well, they were the report was that they were thinking about it or looking into it not that they did it. Date. You guys all know how I feel about tampering roles. But anyway, this is apparently he does feel some connection to this, because if there's no lawsuit being filed and that means a lot. I don't know. Do you see this affecting anything with him affected him? But come on all the top guys, like just a logo and you can't promote the logo Alkali. So why is it even issue? Like is everybody knows is his hand his logo, I think should be the bigger person in a situation with all the players have LeBron you have you have kyri why worry about a logo. They didn't come to time to just get squash. What I like is. It's a little window into the soul Coalisland. We know little about him. We know. So I think the fact that this is very, very important something that means. Right. Right. He's willing to take a stand on it. You know you go back to he took a stand with the Spurs to Spurs Nike two. Pretty big. Kilometers, if you will, and he was up to renew his shoe contract with them and Jordan brand, and everyone just expected that he would. And he decided not to. So I do think that, that's significant. I will say, just look, the way corporate property works that if you work for I don't know three m right? You design posted you can't go take post. It's to your next company. They posted, so right now, sort of in the way things usually are because the idea is that call ago is meaningful to customers the Nike in very competitive shoe environment with new balances and wanna hand it newborn, I do think, though, that, that something may be I don't know. Maybe he could design a new logo with the new hand may kids hand, I don't know, little claw, baby. Call does claw love to have those hands. We gotta take a quick time out here. We will discuss all of that, and maybe kind of Larry's of emit can fit on. Let me get back. We're talking about boogie cousins because he bawled out in game two we will talk about how it impacts the finals out impacts free agency. Keep it locked on the jump. We'll be right back. Doing. The best of seven series is tied at one day of peace. To get to this stage, our DNA shows up cream wind. We gotta go home and, and protect on floor going be even harder on the road to buy into ourselves. No come out strong, Nova states turnovers. We're, we're going to have game three of the NBA finals from oracle Wednesday on ABC and the ESPN app. The series is tied at one game apiece coverage on ABC's starts with NBA countdown at eight thirty eastern, be sure to be in front of television, and we are here on the jump live in Oakland in ho nice out here in northern California today. The teams are getting red deep for big game. Three tomorrow. We at the jumper ready. I am back here. Rachel Nichols with a hall of Famer Jackie MacMullan, and captain, Jack Steven Jackson. And Stephen, I want to talk about a player that I feel like you have great kinship with because he is so competitive, and emotional and plays hard and for live his career people misunderstood that and then they are now seeing how he can channel that into something at these literally highest level game to eleven points, ten rebounds, six assists, played nearly thirty minutes and look, he's only played a total of thirty three minutes, the entire postseason leading up to that. What do you what do you think? What do you think his performance is going to impact finals? And then, again, the looming question which is his free agency, a love everything that's happened. I was there in New Orleans, ninety achilles member and the basketball guys workout for you. If you treat the game, the right way, I was misunderstood Mojo career and y'all know me better than anybody. I've been misunderstood and I think people misunderstood his passion for the game being a bad person and growing up how go we're not taught to handle situa-. Serve situation. We're not told how to respond the right way. So sometimes we lash out the wrong way, and he's done that a lot, but where yes is today, going through the hamstring Andrew gone through screen with a quad, engine and achilles injury to have an opportunity to have a big role in the finals. This is the basketball guard showing that we put it through a little bit. But this is your opportunity to, to shine at the highest level basketball you have players hurt hard on your team. So your role is, is bigger. You have to play well on both ends of the ball. This is a great opportunity for him to put all the engines behind play well in the finals, get a good contract and bit NBA champion. I'm happy has is operatives getting I mean, really with the quad muscle with everything that already happened. It would have been easy. Nobody would have blamed if you just said, you know what? It's not my year. I'm just gonna shut it down. And he did the exact opposite. And you talk to the Golden State, people, the front office in some of the medical staff, and they can tell you how difficult it was in, when nobody's around. You know what it's like. No, you don't you just told you've never been hurt. But when you hurt and nobody's around, it's really difficult. And you could you could. I feel sorry for yourself, which he said, I did for a couple of days free agency to me is an interesting question. I think we know it's going to be very difficult for him to return to the state just because of their economic situation, and they have other priorities. So did other teams need to see this. Unselfish redoubtable hard-working, bogey, I would hope not. Why I think there were two questions about him. Right. That hurt him last summer was can he hold up. Right. Because a big man gets an achilles injury over the age of twenty five the track record is not great in this league. Right. So a lot of teams in wanna Bank long-term deal on him from big money, saying, we don't even know if he's going to come back and be the same kind of player he showed game too. He could be dominant force at literally, the highest level against an excellent defense in the Toronto. Raptors the other question is, as you pointed out, his quote, maturity is kind of the catch all that people put things under the maturity that I think he showed in taking the deal with Golden State in the first place understanding the bidding on himself and his long term interest would require some short term sacrifice. That's maturity and the, the maturity as you point out Jackie getting back from this injury going back from Killys is one thing because we all knew it was going to be a year and this process you go through when he got hurt in the first round of the playoffs nobody who is in the gym that night thought he was coming back. Nobody. And the fact that he did the work. Required to do it and was disciplined enough and said to Steve Kerr at the beginning of these finals. I don't care how you use me. You wanna put me off the bench. You wanna put me in for five minutes. I'm fine with that. If teams wanted to know that about him to they now have Harvey evidence there. So I think this is a really important for him into San Antonio, and gone from where the, the nets go onto organization like San Antonio. It helped me grow as a person and being around better players being about guys who are professionals it helped me grow. And that's the same situation a book he's around professionals at step is the most professional guy I've ever seen. Okay. D- clay he's he's around guys as one. And that's the fashion is he he's coached by two of the best guys who's been there, Stephen Brown. So he's in a perfect situation for him to grow. Any didn't grow out of situations that teams will be looking at them crazy. And we have to remember there did need to be some growth. Right. Let's I mean, with the whole thing with George Carlin, Sacramento, and some of the other issues that went on with him. And so I like seeing this. Yes. And I hope for. Him when he goes to his next team, and he's going to have a bigger role that he can accept all the things you're talking about because he could you forget, I always think he's old. He looks. Not all. Even thirty I wanna move on. Because off the court TMZ sports has reported that multiple MBA teams have had high level conversations about replacing the team. The term owner over the past year. At least two teams have already made the switch either calling. There's some teams say franchise, easy or sort of the quote, team owners or managing partner, that's sort of thing. And the concern is hey, it's not a good. Look when you're talking about somebody owning not just the team, but a team is made up of other humans and sort of what it connotes. What do you think Stephen about that? I think people are looking to Davis of the word owner when Michael Jordan became NBA on everybody was praising, we have a black owner and NBA. I love the word on I own a company. And I love the fact that tell my kids are people that didn't expect me to be where I met to tell them that they own a company, so you work hard and you and you bring something from the ground up, you deserve to be known as the owner of the person's running a corporation. You can call them. See or whatever, but the own a word. I love it because I as a title that you've given after you work hard to build some from the ground up into own something that means a lot to me. So maybe it's just a mantis. Right. So I think when Draymond green address this issue he was talking about the idea of I own you for me. I own you. And that's I think what everybody's trying to dispel. That's totally different is the plantation mentality, if you will. So I always feel like if there are enough players feel that way. And there seems to be like, there's a growing number of them that it's worth looking at. And I know the Sixers at one of the teams that have changed it. I had written a story regarding Josh Harris and I called him an NBA owner and someone from the Sixers reach out to me and said, we're not calling him known. We're calling him a managing partner. So they've already taken that joy owned a part of an NBA team with LeBron. He would be standing there, press conference me, and LeBron owners. Make them be clear. What they mean. When they say that can be distinction between team owner, right? That you own the actual logo and the licensing does not mean that you own the players representing. And I think I think maybe making that distinction overall, no matter what we call, it is important, because you can call it something else. But if you're -cation, and your tone and your words, you make it sound like you own the people, that's just as bad. Right. Right. So I do think that it's important to understand that these people have decided to bring you. They're very talented services. There are leasing themselves to you and their services, just like any other highly paid professional famous Hollywood actor or anything like that. And you are lucky enough to beginning them that your partners, right? And the teams that treat their top players as partners. I think are the ones that are the most successful in the matter what they're called your anyway. Jackie, thank you so much for being with us. We'll see you later in the finals. Brian winters is going to be here when we get back, but first here is what the jump recommends for today. Steph curry, given thanks to Oakland and an. Interview with our own Marc spears, head over to the undefeated dot com to read it during this break. Stay quick, though 'cause even Jackson's still going to be here. And we have things to talk about. Wouldn't tracking the domestic dust bunny. You come to find them hiding under wardrobes next to LA Saux don't move to sudden, although scarring off. What's utterly fascinating about the money, is that, although they're not actually sensu creatures when they have Kyko not only saves people money, but also has a ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating. It's obvious to them. You should switch because yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer. Oh, no. It's the dust bunnies, only natural predator on the long dust on his run along. Gimme gone tonight on sportscenter at six Easter. Live from Oakland. New details N reaction surrounding Klay, Thompson victory, plus questions about the timing of lawsuit against Nike and how Tom Brady and the patriots are getting ready for life without drawn sportscenter. Coming up right after PTI. Fish on the visit Klay Thompson. It's knocked down. He is limping heavily clay said he'll be fine. But click. Click half dead. We'll see. All right. I gotta say closed until since at that game, I'm playing he is listed as questionable still the words are out practicing right now. Right across the lake there. But I gotta tell you guys, again, there, I haven't seen anything said he's not playing Steve Kerr did say officially though, Kevin Durant is out so he will not be playing game three. We knew kevon looney is going to be out his ruled out, quote indefinitely this. We won't see him for the rest of the finals Andre Delo who to me was limping the most of any warrior after that game too. He is going to play tomorrow night. So that has been your daily of which warriors are able to play in the NBA finals available for our show here, the jump. We welcome back in our insider, and the host of the excellent who collective podcasts but went horse. We are planning something of an in everything, and I want you to look at clay stack this practice right now. This is happening. What do you think he looks like good? This is everything to see him driven the ball and even coming off his feet after engine a hamstring. He should be good. Well, it's, it's not nothing. It's something he's not running around likely would normally see him in a game is one of the most active players in the NBA that it is more than twenty four hours away. And I expect him absolutely play. We'll see effective. He's going to be you did say, when you're watching the video during the break you said it's not natural. You feel you said during the break when you're watching Claes that's not natural then he's he may gotten some help. There is hard to have a hamstring strain, our pool and twenty four twenty four hours later that you don't feel able to push off in jump, like either that they have one hell of a train, establish they do to get him ready. I'm just gonna credited to that, because that's that thing is still pulling still tight. So hopefully, it'll be ready. These guys obviously, get round the clock treatment. They get electric stimulation run. They get shot up run. That's what I wanna see him run. Yes. To run. But we gotta remember it's three games left. Okay. Championship push yourself. Sit in something. I wanna move onto the rumors about Kawai Leonard, there's been speculation about him buying property in Toronto. Now it's interesting considering he is a free agent the summer I should point out. He also just bought a lovely property in southern California is legitimate. So go the happened. Records. This is still a report that then the person who did the report that went on the radio and they were talking about it. So we don't know we have not seen any documentation. Do you think it's something nothing or everything stack these reports nothing because you can't really prove in Toronto? We add some solid proof, yet that's everything because why would you buy cribs Toronto when you already getting double tax, the crib here? Yeah, I believe that I really don't think he's going back, even with the success. You know, I it's a lot I love Toronto finals. He's like, okay, I did my job. I'm out personally. I would stay in Toronto. I love everything there for him. If he sang beautiful women, the city, the country's great everything about Canada's beautiful is nothing not to like about Canada and they're winning. So I think he should stay with it is true that he bought a house there, then that means. That's good. Look for the raptors first off, even if he did by house Toronto real estate is an excellent investment free. Okay. Nothing. This is. I remember as a Browns fan hearing about Bill cower buying a house about eight different times in Cleveland as h changed coaches. This is one of the things that happens all the time when they're speculation always looking at the house house. See where his kids may be going to school. Brown was moving around. I don't know. I will say stack that they have this wine and dine program that they've started into run. Oh, which they have a logo with Kawais face in participating restaurants, if they want have the sign in their window this eats free here. And when we were in Toronto, this past week, they're everywhere. And they've even extended to people saying, hey, you can have this apartment for free. Hey, you can do this for free. Could have this free koala car? Whatever. When you say, hey, you'll, you'll never pay for another meal in this town, again, that is actually true. It's run apparently of days. He will never have to pay for another meal, or anything that would influence him all that stuff would have more some been wanted in any job that you doing is a great feeling and put that whole country to want him. They wanted to be in Toronto. That's good. Look pretty cool. All right. We'll move on though, to the topic as long as we're on free agents. Right. Nike is releasing a K D line of shirts. Stay true tour. Right. So let's take a look at them the back of the shirt. Reads. Oakland, California, followed by San Francisco guys notable the warriors are gonna play in their new arena, next season in San Francisco with rain now a line through it, what is not expect. I think there's a lime behind all of them because he's done playing there. I know from the LeBron and other stuff like that Nike per sets up marketing plans for all scenarios, they have a scenario where LeBron was gonna stay in Cleveland, where he was going to go to LA this scenario where he was gonna stay in Miami. Go to Cleveland. I have no idea what this means, but just because Nike doesn't marketing campaign doesn't mean that, you know, Kevin is they have they have t-shirts Philadelphia or are they took that meeting, but on a whiteboard? No clue. What he's doing. I they, they won't. I think Katie only one knows. And just like the NBA we have a finals, they buy shirts shorts made both. Not a multibillion dollar marketing Cambrai here. Haka Prideaux seizures. The I'm just saying interesting that they did it all for the next topic, though. We gotta revisit oh, yes yes, that's chase center there their groundbreaking. But I'm gonna wait for the video because. One of our favorites shows with this season. Mill it's not over you. We did not, because when Stevenson says Kobe Bryant, quote, always comes to practice and hangs out with the Lakers. Take a listen. Kobe Bryant's running the show that he's calling the shots ability. Does he mentor United all always some man? All right. So what happened was like that. Very then denied this to Stephen a Smith is like, don't come to practice all the time. Kobe doesn't live anywhere near. So the is. Graphing on way have top guys. We know but evidently, a lot to fire up the helicopter just a drop in Lakers practice. Is this something, nothing or everything? It's nothing. I mean, the here's the thing, Phil Jackson occasionally comes to Laker practices. It doesn't mean that he's trying to be the head coach of the team if they want input from Kobe. Kobe has all of their numbers, he doesn't have to physically. Be there. And also, the importance of credibility of things said as you're getting into a car leaving from somewhere. No offense to TMZ. Big it. Good stuff. Maybe not that maybe we shouldn't take that at face value, these involvement with this franchise something that you think is good bad. I mean, there's a lot of people would say you want Koby matters it matters. And I don't think Lance were saying he's at Prague's every day and make a decision talking to coach probably seen him once twice, you know. And do you think Koby wants to take ownership of any of the decision not at all? No, no, no. Drove by every wanted to. None of this. So, and of course, the general manager of the team, and the guy was consolidated his power since Johnson left is Kobe's longtime agent. And that's the reason that rob Blancas in that job because of Kobe's relationship with genie bus, and therefore Rob's relationship genius. Over the years, Kobe's point involve without having to be there or not there. And it's good when former players are involved in their former franchise, we want them around coming up. We're gonna talk a little bit about D'amoto Rosen, because he said he was quote the stack or fischel lamb for the Rafter success, which is an interesting way to look at it. I here's our distant replay from this date in ninety seven. So this is let's we'll more back than our first one today, Michael, Jordan. You know, these are good this the replays. All finals school, number five ring, number five. Let's take a look. True. There's people in, I'm just gonna go do that. Reverse with the lift off the glass with English. With thing. I love how he runs away from it to like it's on fire. Pub lower here in a few minutes to discuss if the warriors knee Klay Thompson to beat the raptors what is Tyree Irving trying to tell us on Instagram to Russell Wilson keep playing into his forties? Andy's white lightning. A bed nickname stay to it wouldn't work for me. Pablo of you can dissect Kyrie's Instagram power to you all. Oh, hey, look, it's the jump after dark. Yes. In fact, we are courtside in time tomorrow Night Live from the NBA finals. I will be there with special guests, including Mr. Vince Carter talking about ritual later when it's going to be talking, not mess with. Don't miss narrative come on dark right now in Oakland is beautiful out here today. Time for a little crush time for us on the jump. I am Rachel Nichols Bank here with Brian, I Stephen Jackson. Let's get to it because Ricky Rubio said the jazz, let him know. He's not a priority for them. Radio reporter Ernest messed. Michio Arca told him that. Why would you say that? Well. There's been a high ceiling for Ricky Rubio since he came here when he when he came as a rookie, everybody like he's the next he's the next that has all this really, they were saying he was going to be what Donncha she is. Am I am I right to say that? And then and he's been everything, but that he's been solid. I just I mean Utah has no no use fan actually being respectful of him. Basically saying is look on July first if you're waiting for our some make offer. Wait. I mean, I think but just the idea someone's beating the jazz have cap space and there are other options, but, you know, he tape for you. Shut up producer Steve, according to whoa, JR. Duke forward, RJ Barrett. The presumptive number three pick in the draft will make a visit to the New York Knicks early next week. So Brian, what do you think they should do with their number three pick? Do they draft Barrett? Or do they maybe dangle it? Well, if they don't make a deal before the draft, they draft him hug him have a wonderful time to hat, on, but don't print up any billboards. Okay. I was just hang loose and see whether you still has there in on October. I, I don't think we should. I mean David Griffin will take whatever the best deal is for Anthony Davis. Right. So, you know. We will see that is. But don't underestimate the fact that if they have our j Barrett and the pelicans have Zayn Williamson, those to love playing together that could be an enticement for the pelicans to make their young star happy. All right. We're watching Andrea Dala, and I want to know what version, we will see of him in game three stack because I tell you, he was limping around the clock room. The other night, we're one person does more reliable as limping metals that has the finals MVP has championships that has all star appearances. Nobody's more reliable than during a dollar one thing about him, everybody loves him because he's a professional he knows the task at hand. So whatever he asks do perform or whoever's in out, they know that can rely on him. And I think he's, he's one of those guys you gotta have. So I think what's interesting that the warriors and Steve for have to deal with their preference is to really swarm, Colli, Leonard, now they're two primary defenders that they put on him with Allah, and. Klay are dinged up and they can't play with their small and versatile defensive line because now looney is hurt and they had to go into Marcus his back, and so Nick nurse and Steve Kerr are probably in their own each each other setting up Xs and os to see how to handle or take advantage of these situations with Kobe. I am very curious. If makes it all the way through these finals because what he has done playing with the amount of hurt. He is, is so crazy impressive. Icy him off the court and I mean, I cannot stress enough how much it looks like he cannot move that one leg. And then he gets out there and he plays at such a crazy high level I joke with him all the time. He's Benjamin button because he's thirty five years old. He's playing down down, but the minutes he's playing and that calf strain which bothered him in the second round to kill him again in the third round bothered him again in this round. So I am very curious. We saw again. Kevin Durant get hurt when he was playing forty five minutes game. Andre Dala has had to play more minutes once. Kevin. Durant got her excuse. We hope that he is okay? Former player played move onto the other side the Toronto side because former raptor, Damara Rosa was talking to Bleacher report. And he said that he felt quote like the sacrificial lamb offered out, so the current raptors could succeed. Take a listen to this. Honestly, I think I said, I'll probably say this. My inner circle but wasn't fall years and groundwork that I did before they're none of them. Things would have been five. Yes, I fought saggy face. I push the limits of either be efficient lamb. You just had to say back understand, like, you know, you oughta reason. So many things even. I think this is so interesting because we talk about sacrifice so much sports, right stack and like if you sacrifice for your team, and that gets your team ring, and you're part of that, that's one thing you know, maybe you had to take some personal hit maybe some personal playing time some other things you had to do, but it all worked for the collective whole, you've sacrificed you've gotten a ring. If you've done all that stuff, and then you don't get the ring they do without you. How does it feel the end of the day, you feel some type of way about it? You know is really nothing you can do. I mean they all saying, we're about what you what you can't control you know, plan basketball. But at the end of the day, be happy that you had a hand in it. You know, everybody know you had a hand in it. And, and just be happy with that is nothing. You can do you know you'll careers moved on you still in position to win a championship. But look at guys, like they've Robson Robson went through the same thing. He couldn't live got there. So every everybody's he got the ring at the end of that. Marta rose is not get what I'm saying. Everybody's sacrificed Amazon point. Right. Whether you land for the warriors is out. You know what? All of us Acuff ish lamps while families. Well, right. So he'll part of these war. This warriors titled team down the ones that keep winning you guys. They have made a big point that you guys got them without you guys laying groundwork. They couldn't have gotten here last five games stuff where my jersey will Montes that was that was big for me. You know to, to be a part of this, Katie Cozma time I talked to big time, so even my Brown team makes me feel like a family. Even though we didn't win, but they know that the winning field around the city we started that. And they gave props Rosen has Kyle Lowry told us to Marta rose and has been texting with his former teammates. He wished them look immediately after they made the finals that he feels like they're his friends. He's rooting for them. He is a part of it. I do not think he texted messiah Jiri front. Number one, I know there, everybody wants put the secondary. I'm just not. He got one hundred forty million dollar contract from the raptors that was there. Waiting Jiang, we love and respect you, okay? And he's still making that money. Now it just doesn't happen to be there that doesn't mean nothing. Okay. I know that there's more things that are involved, but they gave him a huge amount of money largest contractor franchises through. Secondly, the rafters are a better team without him. That trade was a good trade. And while while I appreciate his feelings and having talked with him and having been with the raptors at some of those successes some of their failures, we could honestly look at him and save by trading. You got better, you know. And so I appreciate it, and I don't know if he can be made an honorary member certainly. That level of reconciliation. Day. What was done with had to be done business? First of all, for any of that to mean the, the level we're talking about the raptors have to win the NBA fighters tomorrow night game three, the warriors stack or five and a half point favorites. Who wins game three in one one type series goes on to win the series more than seventy percent of the time. I can throw these out all day. Who do you think is under more pressure to get that than stack who's gonna get that? Seventy three percent little wars on the more pressure doing with all the injuries. Yeah. On that. They lost game one. They got they got they got to take care of home court. They definitely have to win game three you know, with all the engines, and all of this going on with the team, they're definitely under the most pressure. I agree. The raptors he'd get one game here. They get one game. You're both crazy Toronto is way under more pressure tomorrow night. Maybe in game four tomorrow night. Now, I think it's all got to do a show up and hope they win one of these games the raptors need to win a game that they know. Kevin Durant is not playing in and. Kevin Durant is not playing this game. Kevin Durant could be back in game four. The pressure is onto Rondo to win this game tonight. Got a good future with Kevin Durant. Tomorrow. Thanks for joining us today.

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"They even though fans can attend this year's masters. The tournament is using the flexibility of a hybrid cloud to scale their capabilities. Now everyone can be a patron learn more at ibm dot com slash masters jump. I'm rachel nichols. I'm going to be joined by coach. David physical hall of famer. Jackie macmullan just a bit coming up. Jimmy butler is also gonna join me to talk about reaching the finals last season bam of bios extension and of course coffee. you know. we're gonna talk about coffee before all of that. Though we are starting to jump. What some breaking news. Our senior insider adrian words ascii reporting that. Paul george and the clippers have agreed to add four years to his contract extension. Worth up to one hundred ninety million dollars. This comes just a week after. Paul said he wanted to retire. As a clipper so now to discuss this further the man who broke the story woke. Welcome back to the job. How did this extension come about. This was really from the time that the clippers made the trade with oklahoma city at the start of free agency a year ago. Getting that trade in place with oklahoma city was really the final key to getting that commitment from leonard. I think there was an expectation. You know paul. George wanted to be there long term and this was a pretty easy contract for both sides he got. Certainly you know the max contract that he could get. He's committed now for five years. You know two hundred and twenty six million dollars potentially can have that player option in two thousand twenty four twenty five but this was paul george chance to come home to southern california. A clipper organization. That's been built around. He and kawhi leonard. And so i think it was a pretty easy one for the clippers and aaron mintz and paul george to lock this up. Think they started to talk about the mechanics of the of the contract here in the past week. Once the clippers got through free agency in the draft. And look if we think back to two thousand fourteen where paul was after that horrible leg injury people wondering if it was the end of his career. If you look at the amount of i. I believe that's what up to depending on what contracts ended up being worth up to two hundred ninety million dollars that he has signed since then i. It's pretty remarkable. That has been able to build out that second half of his career like that and also shed some light on the clippers and how much they gave up for. Paul george if they are now getting him through this extension as well. It's not that he quote could leave. After this season you brought up quite leonard though because he is still in that position where he is an option to leave after this upcoming season. Does paul's extension mean anything for future with the franchise. Well it certainly from the clippers perspective makes it a lot easier to not have both players going in a to the possibility of free agency. But having paul george locked in you know now for kawhi leonard listen. This was a plan that he was a part of and last season didn't end. The playoffs didn't go the way they wanted them to go. And certainly. there's a lot on kawhi. Leonard and paul george with a new head coach lou to get this figured out to have a team that certainly at least get so the western conference finals and a potential showdown with the lakers. They've grounded makeup on the lakers. There's no question about that. But there's been no indication that quite leonard has any doubts about the decision to be with the clippers. How they're moving forward again. Just like paul george. This is home for him But certainly like. There had to be changes with this clippers team. You've seen that this off season with them. But by all appearances paul george kawhi leonard have remained in lockstep. But things change in the nba. If you're the clippers you want to have a season where they maximize their group and leave. No doubt but as you know until you get a player signed. He isn't signed. But i think just getting this paul george deal done. Takes a great deal of pressure off of the clippers as you said rachel. They gave up so much to oklahoma city. This was a player that they had to get locked down long-term and they've done that. Yeah you make up a great point. Thanks change in the nba. Which leads me to my next question. Because i want to check in with you on the james harden saga if you think about where we were in training camp a year ago compared to now. It is remarkable. How quickly things change. Where do things stand on. Any potential trades for james harden in the rockets rachel in the rockets. Continue to want to try to slow play. This slow play. Trade talks the best. They can certainly in a rush to go out and find the deal and put one together. That might lead them. You know to me short of getting the kind of massive hall that you've you've gotta get for a player. Like james harden to let a market developed lead teams interest developed over time and and get getting back on the court in houston get him on the floor with john wall seeking john wall back to all star form and see if there's any momentum you can get back with the rockets we as we've talked about. He still has two years left on his deal. They don't have to rush their way into a trade but listen it's going to continue to be at the forefront of conversations all over the league it is a lot of pressure on an organization. It is a lot of distraction especially with the new. Gm and new head coach. This thing doesn't go away. You get asked about it every day that tension is there every day. It's not easy to move forward like this for an organization. But they're gonna if they're gonna slow play if they're gonna figure out how to get the best possible deal. It's something that the rockets are going to have to learn to live with so fascinating to watch that. Develop all right. The very nattily dressed adrian. Words ski for joining us. What would we will see you soon. All right with that. I'd like to bring in our resident coach. David are hall of famer. Jackie macmullan welcomed friends and coach. I'll start with you. What's your reaction to the news of this big extension for pg mccollum four alone. That's a great deal for. I'm really happy for him. You know nothing better for guy in his hometown to get a big contract and to four team the show how much they really want to. Obviously i thought the clippers sued and had to do this because they gave up a lot. Right gilchrist alexander's one of the best young players in the league nari ton of picks so this has to workout and i stayed there are sowing. How invested they are by taking this step forward and let's let's not get it wrong. Paul george baller. He's a two way player. He's a guy that's got the potential to make all league teams. I think it's a good investment on the clippers. Part by showing this. I think now the big step is don't be taking it to another level is showing why he had to have his guy. In clipper land. You know because demanded that he wanted him there. And so i think hawaii now has to step up for so why he wanted them there and now they gotta go out and get a championship done. I think you've hit the nail on the head david. This was a package deal when they came right. So why and paul. George wanted to play together. Paul george said all right. I'm here for the long haul. And i'm sure he's hoping in the clippers are hoping that co i follow follow suit. You had to get this done. And i know there's a lot of unhappy clipper fans that are looking at paul georgia's playoff results and saying. Are you kidding me. Why are you paying this guy all this money. But i think steve ball and the clippers are smart to take the longer you off. Paul georgia's career. He did have a tough postseason as did most of the clippers. And i think his game seven sticks and everybody's cross still remembered he was coming off double shoulder surgery. We heard him speak of his struggles inside the bubble with the mental health aspect of that which i do not think we should diminish in any way shape or form. So what this tells me is. The clippers are not overreacting to their early exit in the playoffs. They have a new coach. They're going to restart. They have new players and they're going to go forward these two guys and hope they can lock quiet as well. That double shoulder surgery point. Jackie i think so important here because obviously that wasn't him her say in the playoffs in the bubble but he didn't really have an off season and he didn't even start the season last year with the team so this year he's had it's short but he has had an offseason. Hey it's longer than if they had advanced further in the playoffs so he had that Had an off season. You know. I've been told that he's been getting back to a lot of the training and things that he did before he had that season that put him in the top five. Mvp voting back in oklahoma city. So we'll have to see if this is a bet that is going to be a smart bet but clearly the clippers. Think so and look. You have leonard player option after this upcoming season. Jackie do you think kawhi will commit to the clippers especially after the fiji noise. It seems to me. He would. Rachel but i have given up trying to guess what goes on inside and i do think we should point one. Other thing up for the cynics shortly after this news broke. And that is paul. George asked to be traded out of the pacers asked to be traded from o'casey so he has locked up and says he wants to remain there for the remainder of his career but in his past two places he has requested a trade. Nothing's ever certain in the nba. Right now after you know what does nice contract. And then i think his comments about how doc used them i take. It puts a lot on his shoulders now. Clippers fans that he's got to and answer the bill especially with the way that it is so the pack is of those guys i they have to have a source of of responsibility and they have to step up to collectively put their team in a test for a championship. Absolutely couldn't agree more. All right guys coming up. We got so much on this show today. Jimmy butler is going to join me to talk about lessons. Learned from last season who he thinks. Favorites should be in the eastern conference and big face. Coffey yeah unit. That was happening. Jimmy buckets up next stick around. Hi there this. Is julie foudy with my co host lentils owie from the podcast laughter permitted. And we're here to tell you about our sponsor ally then and i are actually customers ourselves. And that's why we're pumped to have teamed up with ally from the very beginning joel's. I think it's safe to say that. You and i love working together but we also enjoy having some fun together indeed so we started thinking about how we can make our money. Do the work while we play. In fact there is no reason to go to a bank in twenty twenty. There is a smarter way on line anytime anywhere ally also. Has these really cool savings tools that make your money work smarter and faster which means i get more time at the beach trying to serve or play my newest obsession pickle ball. Don't you judge lynn. No judging and no more stuffing financial documents into a filing cabinet and hoping your money will organize itself. Go check out. Ally visit a. L. l. y. Dot com slash savings to learn more ally bank member. Fdic welcome back to the jump. I'm rachel nichols at this time. I'd like to welcome in our next guest. He led the heat to the nba finals in his first year. Miami five time all star jimmy butler. Welcome to the joe. Thank you for having me once again larger than life. My friend this is. This is how you are after that. Nba finals appearance. I wanna take you back to the bubble for a minute before the playoffs even started you and i sat down and you told me you were going to the nba finals. Not a lot of people agreed with you. You had total certainty. it obviously paid off. What is the biggest lesson you learned from all of that and that whole experience to the group that we had very capable of making it to the finals in competing. I think that those group guys realize what we can do. And i'm hoping that the group that we have now lahser too. I definitely miss the guys that we had but I'm grateful for the guys that we brought in. so jimmy. fill in the blank for me here. The miami heat get back to the nba finals. If blink if we do we're supposed to do play together not listening to everybody on outside which preach every single day. We not worried about locking us. And i've played our best version of basketball that we can. We'll give back there. We know what to do. How do you notice the confidence you have in these guys spreading to them so that they believed the way you believe. Just gotta tell him every day showing them that I'm so appreciative of them. The work that they put in all the confidence in the world. And it's guys i do. I'm continue to give it to him. Confidence is what those guys need and That's what i'm here for. And then i'll just you know. Get in where i fit in well. You're backing it up. That image of you slumped over this stanchion and the nba finals. Just giving every ounce of yourself. There's not much time for you. And the heat to recover from those moments from that finals training camps already underway. Your first regular season game is in less than two weeks. How do you feel about the short turnaround time. And how it's gonna affect you us. I think everybody's going to be a little bit tired. We're in the same disadvantage everybody else's Like always say nobody cared Nobody's business anyway so tired tired Is still got a job to do. We still got to go out there improve that we can compete with the best will be okay. Have you noticed that that no one can you. Has that caught your attention jimmy butler. I'll have to look at. I'll have to look at any media outlet to know that you got some really good players. That are much better than i am. Coming back k. D. carry steph Cat guys are coming back. So i picked those guys over me to wait. You would pick those guys over you or if you were in the media you would pick those guys. Are you currently picking those guys over you over me. So if i'm betting. I should bet against you i always thought that was dangerous. You wanna win or you wanna lose so well. Our staff notice that you liked a post on instagram from bleacher report that said james harden has added the heat and bucks to his list of preferred trade destinations. What what did you like about that post jimmy. A hairstyle braids looks well nourished liked host. What do you think the idea. That james harden might wanna come to miami I mean there's a. There's a lot of stuff always in the media. I think that he's a hell of a player. I like the group that we have To to just want to be happy. I think that's. That's what life is about. That's what the game is about. And so i liked post so on that tip. You know what it's like to be in that situation. You wanted to trade out of minnesota a few years ago. We all know what happened next. Have you gotten any flashbacks when you've been hearing about what's going on with james and the rockets no no flashbacks from me. I'm where i wanna be. That's behind me the past I'm here. I'm locked in on the miami heat right now. I'm telling you i like james. He's a friend of mine. I just want him to be happy do well. Let's talk about your teammates then. Fellow all-star bam bio just rewarded with that cash. That max extension this past offseason. Did you give bam any advice when he was going through the process or after he signed the deal. Just look man. You know where you want to be. You know that we need you. Because you're the you're the engineer. The key You've won a so many games and i. I mean who's saying that. We wouldn't have beat the lakers finals. We'll never know now. But hopefully we get a rematch at that. But i'm so glad that he got that bad. He deserved it. He's worked so hard each and every day and he's he's always making everybody around him better. Well jimmy i cannot end this interview without asking about the bubbles. Most successful business big face. Coffey you told me before we left orlando. you wanted to make this a real thing out in the world. I heard you've got a special delivery today. What tells what's going on. I live batch of beans Me my trainer. James scott and one of my hometown guys Chase barlett we've been putting little work you know. Obviously this court thing is most important must singing career dancing derail got that Coffees next we're gonna. We're gonna put that in motion. I love it and do you have a big face. Coffey stand setup the arena there at training camp. And if so is it still twenty bucks a pop for your teammates. I think the the prices theme talked about we don't know but I think if we gotta get a model. So i think there's gonna be our first model for big face coffee and We'll take it from there. But it's it's in motion and i think that it's going to be. A big thing. Is going to have to walk a runway to show off the big face coffey styles. How's it gonna work. We're not paying a damn thing. But he gonna walk in for free speech doing it. I know you jimmy. I know you're going to be able to make it all work. Thank you so much for joining us. Our eyes will be on you this season for sure. Appreciate you coming up. Janas says he is not focused on his contract extension with milwaukee. Do we trust the bucks of the team to overcome any distractions. That come their way. We'll discuss that after the break. Hi there this. Is julie foudy of the podcast laughter permitted and i'm here to tell you about our sponsor ally first of all if you're still stuffing financial documents into a filing cabinet. I am here to save you. Or perhaps you're still waiting in line at a bank. There's a smarter way. My friends do your banking online with ally anytime anywhere. The name is the mission. Ally is your financial ally. Let them make your money. Work smarter you get to play. Which for me means more time to surf and hang with my sometimes. Adorable kids visit a. l. l. y. dot com slash savings to learn more ally bank member. Fdic welcome back to the. I got jackie. Mac and david phys deal rejoining me here and guys janas spoke to the media yesterday and when asked about his contract extension with the books he said. I'm not focused on it. In fact take a listen to more visit remarks. Not folks in that and -nother get over like everybody's very big decision alive probably one of the biggest make but I just live my agent to focus going like getting ready saturday. Play the preseason game when you're talking about how it's really not in your hands. It's kinda hard for us to figure that out. Like what is it. The you need to see to to kind of side. Whether or not you want to sign the extension in milwaukee. Let me go back a little bit. He said whatever the box ago against the yes they buy them like clustered every day at six. Am before i go to practice to say yes agree to that. You believe so if not maybe you need to know. What was your reaction to the pants team. Has its ups of your birthday at first. I d. I didn't get chris gaming and given that was like what is this guy was like thinking about. It was one-sided contract on any was just like okay. I laugh the first time i loved the second time the third time and then a twenty pounds so then he got he got a little bit. I got twenty feet in my locker room. So jackie in case you were wondering whether this is on the mind of any of the bucks players themselves. Apparently on this got twenty pens in his locker for his birthday. Do you think is chooses not to sign the supermax extension. Jackie that the bucks will be able to overcome the constant questions and potential distraction here. Well i'm going to say yes to that reach only because one thing i've admired about jaanus. Let's be honest. this saga has been ongoing. It feels like since he got to milwaukee once the season starts he's really really good about shutting it down and if he's the kind of leader which i think is i think it will gather all his teammates and just say this is youngest as business will respect his wishes and we're not talking about it easier said than done i understand i think what it does do is put a tremendous amount of pressure on the box and the players around jaanus to make sure these guys go a very long way to a championship for maybe to a finals. I don't know if that's what gets it done a lot of people keep saying to me. Why doesn't he just signed the deal. It's eighty three million dollar difference than what other teams can give him. I think y- honest is the kind of player. That says. I i signed that. I want to honor it from start to finish. And that's where i think pauses so i kind of admire the fact that he doesn't wanna just take the money and then later on say you know what. I don't wanna be here anymore. Yeah i think. I think You know ultimately jackie's hit the nail on the head. I think that janas us in a position right now where he can just focus on basketball and go out and compete and what. He's looking for our actions. I think the penn thing was funny and it was a good gag for the guys to do it. But he's going to be looking to see. How team may step up. He knows that bud is a straight shooter. Bud is always going to tell them what's going on going shoot from the shoulders and the front office has done nothing to lose janas trust and so i think if they can continue to adapt this team around him and janas of the exactly right as the type of guy focus in during the season. Really lock in on winning. Because that's what he's about. I think at the end of the day. We're going to see this thing. Play out the right way whether he stays or goes. I just think it's going to be handled correctly and look we've seen it kind of fall both ways. When a guy has a decision to make at the end of the year kevin durant and the golden state warriors got asked about this day after day after day after day while bron james was in the same situation with the cleveland cavaliers and he kind of said at the beginning of the season. I'm not gonna talk about it. And really he got asked about it. Very mildly a few times but in general it did not hang over the team in the same way even though he did of course end up leaving phys. We were talking on the show earlier this week. The fact that there aren't going to be fans in the stands for at least the beginning chunk of the season means that he's not going to be going from marina to arena and people yelling at him saying. Are you leaving come to us. You know any of that stuff. So at least that part of the circus or distraction won't necessarily be there and we'll just have to see again if he signs by december twenty first if he decides to kick the can down the road to the following season the following offseason to see if he wants to sign it. then we will find out all right. I wanna move onto kevin durant though because he said yesterday that he has been told to expect to play small forward while also spending some time at center for small ball. Lineups quote coach is just going to throw out there. And see how i respond so phys- what are your thoughts. Katie spending time at the five. Think smart by doing that. He's going to end up getting all of his best skill players out on the floor k. D. seven feet. Tall of a guy walking wingspan. He's spider he rebounds. Well he's an over the top rebounder if you try to put anybody out there on him. That's not the right matchup. He's gonna be an instant bucket and it gives you versus until defensively to switch. It is like that. So i think it's smart to keep all things on the table for that team. They got so many different weapons and pieces and it also gives a chance sometimes to maybe not guard somebody as quicker somebody. That's movement around as much as he continues to get his legs underneath film and really start to get his game back together. So it'll be interesting to see just not that teams fun to watch. Yeah in phase. I think we've seen a little bit of this. Before when katie was gold state the golden state warriors when. They ended up in the postseason all of a sudden. You didn't see andrew bogut or you didn't see javale mcgee. They often went to a small ball. And you can. You can argue whether draymond green was the five or k. D. was the five but they were out there together so this is nothing new for k. d. and coach fizzes right. He has the versatility and the latest to be able to do it now. I don't think they're going to ask him to guard. Joel embiid in the post for thirty eight. I think right. But but i think this makes a lot of sense absolutely well. Is they better him to ray twins remember. He's a shot blocker to remember. He was one of the top saab blockers in the league at golden state. So it's not like he's just gonna let you get anything you want at the rim either. Yeah he led the league in shop locking for much of his last season there as a starting to say the nba is a better place. Kevin durant playing in it so wherever he wants to play on the floor. I wanna watch. That's all i got for you coming up guys later on this show taxes celtics. They made some changes this off season. But did they actually improve the roster. That's coming up next. We give boston are previously On treatment keeping loved at once app. That's dan once last thing. You want running with elite. Qb's russell got the kenneth on clutch td's lacrosse overstep behind. I don't need to watch the clock because you know danes with thirty for thirty two finger. Push us bruce lee. Showing no mercy factfile crew on deck libo knows. No one else goes deeper. That's a fact once once. Espn download now. Welcome back to the jump. you know. we're just twelve days away from the start of the twenty twenty one. nba season. And you know what that means the jumps previously on segments are back. It's like when your favorite tv show returns from my eighties. They up on. Everything happened the last time you saw them so now. It's time for previously on the boston. Celtics all right. When we last saw the celtics they were on the losing end of that hard fought six game series against the heat in the conference finals. That was the cliffhanger. Since then boston's made a bunch of roster changes gordon hayward brad wanamaker and canter all gone but they brought in jeff teague tristan thompson and drafted payton creek out of oregon in the first round. So jackie did the celtics get better or worse this offseason. What do you think. I can't honestly said the celtics get better. When gordon hayward walks away he was the best facilitator on that team last year. Rachel i understand why he left. He wanted a bigger role but he was an important role for their team. Now does that mean that. The celtics don't have any place to go but down. That's where i'd say. No because jason. Tatum i think is on the verge of being a top ten player. You might already be there already. We haven't even seen the best of jaylen brown yet. Who i think has a chance to be one of the best two way players in the game and as you know those are hard to come by so they have great room for growth but in the short term. The biggest question is kemba walker. Course that stem cell injection them out till we think january. That's a big big question mark for them. So i see where they added a playmaker jeff t they opened up opportunity for does young kids to come in and play right away and the guy that i'm going to be looking at the hardest froder. Boston celtics is jalen brown. I think jalen brown as a first team all defender and it's time for them to really put that stamp on the tain. I liked that he. Marcus smart got into it last year. I think that's healthy. Sometimes this show how much it really matters to you. I think what we saw marcus smart when he played extended minutes that this guy is a big time player. He likes to spotlight. He's not gonna shy away doesn't get sick as c. So jaylen brown will be the guy that i'm really gonna be watching to to really feel that next void that gap of guard. Everybody defender marcus. Smart didn't have to be that guy all the time. I think he should be one of those guys and if he is we can end up saying boston. Make that jump into the dance and plan in the finals Well no interesting point. That is an interesting point. It is and i. You're right about jaylen brown. But you know it's funny coats when you look at the Defensive metrics for which are always tricky because they skew kind of funny. Jayson tatum as an underrated defender as well. So you have two guys have a chance to be really top two way players and so that's absolutely nothing. You know the juggle between inas kanter and tristan thompson right. Trista is probably a better defender. Innocence better offensively. We don't know how that's going to play out. Hayward will definitely be missed. But i think bringing all star guard former all star teague who makes plays by other people can feel some of that void. Yeah they need the minnesota t not not from last easiest struggle right. I mean no. He's he he can help them needs. They need a veteran. They need more veterans in that locker. I liked the teak signing interest thompson. Because they were thin up front and air need smith. Don't sleep on him. They're expecting him short on wync players all of a sudden and so they'll need him to get some minutes to if he can shoot fifty fifty two percent from three in college. I think they'd take forty two percent right now. Just mark that down. They'll be having all right. Jackie exactly we heard in the Glow compilation the previously on at the top. You groaning at me about. Hey watch being back. I can say hey. Watch has been officially cancelled. The series is cancelled in boston. But i guess tristan thompson his own reality show. So it's just gonna keep laying celtics definitely our must see tv in so many ways and here are the games fans are going to want to binge-watch in the first half of the season they open the season against the bucks then they take on the nets a couple of days later on christmas day. Both huge games. So if we focus in on that christmas showdown his. What are you looking for mola's from boston. Point of view and that big showdown with the brooklyn nets. I'm looking for a top of effort. I want to see. Don't come out and put their stamp on it right away that they're going to be the best defensive team in the league and like i said i'm gonna keep pointing that jaylen brown because i just think he's got so many gifts to impact the game. Defensively can really really changed. The course of the game is so many different ways. So i really want to watch that closely and watched the match ups throughout the course of the game to see how. The coach has really played a test match tit for tat because it's so much talent on the floor. We're just gonna have a fun time watching these guys make plays rates for me. I'm going to be looking at some of the young players because kemba walker obviously isn't gonna play in that game so paving pressure may get some minutes. Maybe a head of what they expected. Maybe the same thing for knees i think. Jeff t can. He's going to be valuable because he'll be able to step in and take some of those minutes with campbell along with marcus smart. But here's the funny thing. Think about it guys. We thought kyrie irving playing against the boston celtics for the first time was going to be a huge storyline. Doesn't that seem like a lifetime ago. I mean people leave only mentioned it has happened since then but this will still be his first time playing in boston as a net if he plays in that game. So finally we're gonna get to the spoiler alerts for the celtics season caesar's sportsbook giving the celtics the third best odds of winning the east behind the bucks and the nets their first two opponents to jackie. What's your bold prediction for the celtics coach. Fans kinda stole my thunder might prediction was going to be the jaylen brown booby expensive player and an all star. Because i think you. And i are on the same page with gordon hayward gone. Jaylen brown has a chance for more shots. More minutes more defaults set of assignments. He's going to be an all-star here. Absolutely and i think you know when you look at that team. They were always trying to figure out the minutes away right and trying to figure out. How do you know how to get these guys all be on the floor. Be happy. And i think we're hey being out now. It really opens up that runway for this kid to take off and i just. I can't stress it enough. The celtics are imposition position. Now to really build identity around these guys especially with the tough kid. They're bringing in from oregon. I think they're going to be a team to watch. And their defense is key can be really be special. We will be keeping an eye and so we'll everybody else on national television. You will see boston a lot. All right guys up next on this show. as james harden waits to clear cobham protocols. I will ask jackie. Invis- how his rocket teased states should feel about the way. The season started. John wall spoke about james earlier today. Stick around to hear his thoughts next. And it's crunch time here on the jump pow ghazal looking to return to the nba. And he's targeting. The lakers jackie. Do you think we'll see how back in a lakers uniform. His brother the susan. I would love it. I love it when brothers played together and still hoping steph curry brothers. Get to play at some point together. But it's been a while polly's forty years old so i think it's going to be difficult but i'm all for his pocket is everything that's right with the nba. I would love to have him back. Yeah i think this would be perfect. He's a laker. He's championships with the lakers. His brother is air for them. I know what that would mean to mark and the fact that they got a chance to win titles together. I don't think it's age is going to be a big factor because they're not going to be asking a lot of piles and they know what he brings as a professional. He's gonna keep himself ready if they need to. Put them in a game. But i just think the overall holistic view of it. I think it's a win win for everybody. Absolutely i want to switch gears to the warriors steph curry said having some time off after the warriors five year one was useful. He said starting from ground zero is kind of awesome. This do you think that the rest last season for curry and the warriors was better for them in fact then making another deep playoff run in the bubble if they weren't going to win it anyway in that scenario absolutely i think what you always end up saying now is that when you have these dynasty teams the thing that ends up ending. The dynasty is injuries and cramps at an age. So i think having rest steph curry to be able to take some time off draymond green to be able to take some time off and now they're coming back to a team with some young talent with some real athletes on the team. Obviously the clay bill was a blow. I think it's going to help them. Because they understand what it takes. You know rachel and fizz. I find these comments. Were so interesting. And i think what it reminds us of is how hard it is to be on top and we've heard this through the years with the state whereas a grind. It was how some years even when they were winning. It wasn't particularly fun. It was daunting and challenging and there was inside drama and outside drama. And so i think what steph say near as hey let's get back to our roots. Let's just play ball. I love playing. I've missed it. I've been hurt. let's start from scratch. They seem to love the young kid men so it's just a very interesting take on his career and if you were at the nba finals you saw just have drained everybody on that warriors staff. Everyone on the squad was at the end of that finals series and look we saw it again when we revisited. The last dance season with the bulls. Right and scottie. Pippen's been here on this talking about just how wearing it is and i can see where steps coming from. So we'll see how they do. Let's get back to the houston situation. Because james harden will not be clear to play until test negative for kobe. Six times to stay hard and has been a distraction That might be putting it mildly. He requested a trade. he's been partying in atlanta in las vegas while the team tries to integrate a new coach new players. Here's what john wall had to say. It came into guys. You gave me out of good work. Workout coach john. Lucas and I talked about. We didn't really talk about too much more. We have a relationship with being friends before basketball. Ina whatever he's going you get to and make. The season was best for him not in front office duty so classy there from john wall. John wall is now had to talk about this. Stephen silas pizza tucker jackie. If you were one of hardin's teammates who are the ones who have been answering questions about this. How would you feel right now. A chill pretty exhausted. And i haven't even played a game yet and it seems a little unfair. Obviously to the guys were there. Especially when all the ruckus about daniel housebreaking covert protocol in the bubble and now james harden just literally slotting the covert recklessness. But i will say this. I've learned one thing covering this league all these years talent always trump's temperament. If they help you win the players will forgive you. They wanna win. And james harden is one of the most unique offensive players will help them do that. I mean the players always know a lot more about what was going on and everybody else. They're close to your john. Wall said he talked to him so locker room. I think players are used to this business now that there are breakup and things like this happen and relationships need to move on. So i don't know how badly they're taking this. I think they know that he's not bought into being done right now. And obviously code. Silence has a tough job but his job is just to keep those guys focused. He can't get concerned with all of the stuff. That's going on between the front office. In james and costa team ninety has an and hopefully it gets over sooner than later. Absolutely all right. Well that's it for us today. Wanna shout out our director kathy. It's her ten year anniversary to espn. We'll see tomorrow cap.

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"Jackie McMullan hall of Famer is with. Let me tell you right now. You wrote a great book together, basketball, love story. And of course it shares with the ESPN film that's coming up here. It's ten part series. I believe great films. Great. We were just joking that wo does in here dropping bombs and Michael's like you get your sources Jackie. So Michael, I was around when you played very young reporter and I do recall you whispering to in my ear in the day. Here's an agent and you gentlemen and GM that wants good pub. I mean, there's plenty of places right. Planning. Michael. I was joking with Zia Thomas about this, not the one with the two as the one z z the realize at the hall fan. I saw him a couple of weeks ago and we were laughing about like used to go into their locker room. And Bill Bayer would be like. View. All right. What's going out. Dear to my best sources and they were Detroit, and I was covering Boston and no one ever suspected. It was the greatest thing ever alert. That's awesome. So I wanna get into this. What you guys are collaborating on here with Dan Clore is obviously who produced the film real quick on the stuff that's going on in the news. The Jimmy Butler stuff like house apprised where you guys about all of this happening now. And the teams all that stuff. How what level of surprise there for you guys? Well, I mean as a native New Yorker and a little bit of a Knicks fan, I'm surprised that these guys think that they can defeat all those all of the bad karma, New York. I'm also willing to willing to dream a little bit about it if it actually comes together for the Knicks. Yeah, see, I think like Jimmy Butler. What is he doing? Okay. What does he doing? Tibbs Tibbs gave him all his faith all and I get Tim's workplace to work through that. This is the second team that Jimmy Butler busted his way out of and don't you find an interesting three teams he chooses destinations. I all they're not good teams. The only thing they have in common, we all know what it is. It's max cap space. What does that say about? You know, if do you says, look, man, I just want my payday. Amen. Brother. You're the first honest NBA guy been around when it comes to money. Okay. And that's fine. That's fine. But it the time. This is weird if I'm Tibbs. I'm going to hang onto him. A little while. Also, the one thing I'm so happy about no lie is that the nets are on this list because I'm telling you what Kenny Atkinson such such a good coach. Sean marks is an excellent GM and I'm glad for them that they're in the conversation that just takes you how it gives you an idea of how far they've boss Donio someone's always around the Celtics, aren't you little concern that kyri and Jimmy might end up in New York next year and you might lose kyri. So everyone asks me that Michael. And so I just asked kyri and the people around him and they tell me they have never had a conversation with Jimmy Butler about this. Now, whether that's true or not, you guys leave that for you to decide. I think Kurt Kyrie irvings perfectly happy in Boston. I the way things are going. He is the man there, undisputed, no one is disputing that the fans love him. They were chanting MVP when he wasn't hurt, like it's everything you would want. You have a great, very stable ownership, a really clever GM and a coach that that he used to talk about to me when he was with Cleveland, how much he loved. So I think everything's in place here. Here's the question that might be more pertinent, Michael. What is that knee starts to act up again, if you're the Celtics, are you gonna hand him a max, multi-year paycheck if you think that knee is a little suspect. I don't think it is based on what I know, but that's the scenario that would interest me more. Some consideration I was thinking about what you said about Butler. Maybe the only flip side of that is maybe he doesn't buy into the young guys. They're clearly they're not meshing clearly doesn't buy into the front office and just the ownership, whatever, and the team. And he's thinking, okay for five years. Yes. I may have to take a loss of if I were to go to one of those teams, but somebody else is gonna come in. So he's thinking he's gonna do a little bit in the sense of what LeBron does sure and go. He's not your except for that. He's not LeBron Android, you may want to be so who so like I really think to me about a great player. Let me say that. I mean, look at the numbers with him on the floor versus off the floor in Minnesota, the defensive number, they fall apart when he's not there. He's and he's always a guy, talks about toughness. Come to war with me, and this just doesn't strike me as that, that guy that so. So how good is Jimmy Beller? Is he so good that people are dying to play with them? Not really. So that's a problem. And all of us here who are responsible for this great new book that's coming out and film that's going to be produced here soon. Basketball, a love story. I liked that Rafe ask him, ask, you don't. So you continue one of the big things in the book and the film. Every interview that was conducted, begins stock with whatever player or exact coach that we were speaking to asking them. How did you fall in love with the game of basketball? So we'll be in love. How did you? How did what was your first love and basketball? Goodness. How did I fall in love with basketball? I always low sports going up in the Bahamas and the islands. And I guess I fell in love with basketball by when I was able to when I was able to remember this is back in the nineteen sixties where you are on answered l.. Even born re. I went to school together. Josh diaper point out for you. Were the first ever not in international? Not American basketball player number one overall? That's right. How did I fall in love with the game back in the Bahamas when the weather was good. When we could see TV as George knows that living done in Miami himself. We had these antennas on our rules, black and white TV and when the weather was good on Sunday afternoons as a little boy, I got to see the Knicks the Celtics and the Lakers play. I got to see Bill Russell Willisch read Wilt Chamberlain and that's what Pete me in basketball. So I fell in love with basketball watching wilt Willisch, read and Bill Russell. And part of all of this show I was in Miami was at last year that Iran, I was there when the Lakers replying. And Michael was part of still very legendary high school basketball team in Miami called the Jackson Five. They went to Miami Jackson high school when I was there and we were talking guy approached us and said, are you Michael Thompson of the Jackson Five that he was. Approach, and it was. Four beaming players to Cuban Americans walk Cuban Americans. Nobody likes us storing everybody by thirty points tucked away. I will read anything that you right, Jackie. I will read anything that Rafe rides, including his book on the Philippines and the basketball. What about the bar? Anything like that? Now I do have one bone to pick though about basketball love story. So I'm going in the index, but I'm looking. Okay. Okay. David, Thomson. Michael Ben, I'm looking John Thompson. Okay. Get that Klay Thompson, Tina, Thompson, wait. There's actually very stories of very good story while he's cut out. Okay, but we can't. We can't be completely. We can't. I can't tell you who or why. But someone had a great sound byte about Michael Thompson, how Pat Riley thought that the Celtics outmuscling the Lakers and they needed somebody big and physical to help them. And that guy was Michael Thomson. The problem was in the in the 'cause it's an oral history had Michael Thomson come in the wrong year. Any went on and on about and we had it in there. And then when we started fact checking, I'm like, he didn't come. You didn't come nine nineteen eighty five eighty seven, right? So we so riled up. No wiles somebody else coming. I was gonna say out my friends. My club is politics for that, but there's a reason why you're not in there. Look at that. Exactly. My man, you know what's this book about? Obviously the love, love basketball, but what's what's it about people listening to us right now? So it's based on this giant cash of about one hundred seventy long interviews. I mean some as long as four or five hours five hours for Oscar for Oskar Robertson. And they asked us and they were originally done for the documentary film. And then they asked Jackie, and I had to go through all this and pick out the most powerful stuff and make a book out of it. So it it really felt like I say this every time and I mean it every time if felt like they, they drop the Dead Sea scrolls of basketball on us and said, you know, show us the bible. I mean, and at times for people who love the sport, it's that powerful. So we're talking about everything in this book. So the point shaving scandals or the fifties and sixties, which young people probably don't even know about. And I maintain, especially now with gambling coming into the NBA could happen. You know why guys making too much money, Jackie. Nobody's going to risk making three million bucks a year to save one hundred thousand drop to shave points to do that. We'll see. Oh, come on. You know how rose not calling thought about. Star. So those college guys supposed to go to that already have any. About gambling dice in the NBA susceptible know. You know. Too much. Don't look of nineteen seventy six, Minnesota gophers. Okay. All that. All that in college. Another segment and you. Oh, yeah. Okay. Cool. So stick around because I want to ask you about Kobe and filled discussed in the book. I think that is very sincere. So we'll have that rape Bartholomew and the hall of Famer Jackie MacMullan with us here. Michael Thompson, Mitra doubt, sit down show on ESPN LA. There it is. That's right to Thompson. Jackie MacMullan with her Jackie. I'm sure that doesn't bother me for. Around Jackie. Just happy to be here to the book. Is basketball a love story on sale already, right? Yes, yes. Amazon all. Nobles, Amazon, we're trying to get in the top twenty five, right? Not too far very close. There you go. So make sure you do that. It's basketball, love story. So you talk to magic. You talk to LeBron you talk to Kobe. All these people are, you know, obviously Lakers Centric. So let's talk about those interviews. Let's start with with magic, right? Like what? What kind of conversations did you have with magic before you answer that. I saw this. Why did you choose him to write the forward. We did good new. I thought he will known. He is magic show on. He's the first and last word his quote. Yeah, because he personifies the love of the game. I think of any player who really brought out the low, the visible loves teammates and the fans, and just sorta could inspire that love and everyone Magic's to seem any had a couple of great quotes. Yeah, that's a paragraph, not a four. Okay. I mean this one by the way this, you know better than anybody. You always talk about magic. I mean, he's, he's your favorite team piper. Team sports history. What else? Like one of the things we had in this book that I think we on earth a little more about was when when Ervin became h. I call him Irvine's weird but became HIV positive. And we, you know, if you remember in the time he'd put on a good face every single day, he was smiling, shooting baskets all that. You know, you find out now on the book that David Stern on all the head honchos from the MBA or up in there. I retire thinking, what are we going to do? Because this player's going to die, right, right. Ervin's taking fifteen pills a day, throwing up every other hour and then going out and putting a smile on for the public and some of the backchannel stuff about owners and how they wanted to push back on urban being allowed back into their league. I thought that was all very interesting. So for a book like this, everybody that's going to be mentioned. It has to have this certain level of charisma and hard work and intelligence all that. How many people match what magic has that just that special when when you when he walks by you or just comes up to you? There's just something obviously very, how are there how many people can actually match that that you've spoken to this business? Lau. So Michaels was different Michaels. I was like, I'm going to kill you, but I'm still going to touch you like I'm gonna kill you, but I'm still gonna say Hello to you. So his order to me was was very, very, very powerful. Dr j. didn't have the personality that even had, but he was a player that players just just and you know else who's in here. Iverson right layers generation swear by RBIs. Now he was a thorn and all of our sides very difficult to cover and we have. We do have some good Irish stuff. Listen stuff in here born the same year, but Iverson was for fan to like he was when I was a kid that was one of the guys. There's something to there was a magnetism about him whether you were, you're from the for Manhattan from the suburbs in Minnesota, and there's just there was something really was something about, oh, without a doubt. I mean, just just seeing the way he played his crossover. I mean his those Georgetown teams and even. I mean, I think fact, I mean, I spent a lot of time studying and writing about basketball in the Philippines. You go around that country. People are still to this day watching YouTube clips of Alan Iverson. You'll find kids who are old enough to have seen him play live who will tell you their favorite basketball players? Alan Iverson. That's just how wide spread his is. Appeal, crossover Jordan did over Jackie. You guys talked to everybody all the legends, but yet no, Michael Jordan. What happened to Jordan? How come you couldn't get into, get into sit down with you? Well, joins people were really great, and you know, this was this was something that Dan negotiated and he does have his own documentary coming out. So all this there is. ESPN there was no disrespect there. I think it I think at one point that was talking about trying to get Obama to interview Jordan, so we're not really privy to that, but that would have been interesting. If you wouldn't, it is something so, but we have so much Jordan in here. A lot of Jordan here and from everybody else around hip in fill the competitors of this and all the Nike stuff nights and great stories about that. Some legendary players and that journey through quite George did your does is Lavery steamrolling everybody talked about way back in the fifties and sixties and seventies when they had to go through a lot of stuff compared with kids have to go through the day, which is nothing. Nothing any of these legends harbor any lingering bitterness from from what they had to go through Oscars. At the top of that list, I don't blame him. So Oscar Robertson and then maybe everybody knows this story, but his high school team won the state championship. Okay. In Indian, right? So the year before the team that won was an all white team, and they took them all around this rotary circle, and then they went to the center of town on the fire engine. Everybody off the fire engine all families can't everybody celebrated. So now this black team wins and they go around the. Circle, and then they go eight miles out of town because they're worried about all those blacks, congregating celebrating, and you know you can laugh. But if you're one of those kids on that fire engine, that's pretty crummy. Ostra carries a lot. I mean, there's this story about Wayne Embry getting ready to play the Celtics when he's with when he's with the Celtics in Philadelphia playing Philadelphian. He's backing up Russell and he's sitting there meditating getting ready for the game. You know, seconds before the game. He's just about to get up. He's sitting on the bench in Philly fan, throws a bananas, lap and says, have good game. You eight. And John Thompson tells a story in the book about Clarence big house Gaines the former coach of Winston, Salem state, Earl Monroe's coach in college, and on the day, that gains was inducted to the Basketball Hall of fame. John Thompson was there to introduce him and you know gains showed the ring, the hall of fame ring and it said smokey Gaines they don't. They still don't even know my name. Yeah, and so many, so many stories like that. So a lot of racial discrimination and and also for the women like a lot of, you know, there's a lot there's women's game is in here too, and what they went through just to just to play just to be able to play simple things like that. And who you consider the greatest woman player ever is a Cheryl Miller is data to Rossy. It was gonna be show Miller. I saw share Miller. I covered that women's final four. The only woman find four. I've ever covered Norfolk, Virginia. She was a freshman and she'd just dominated and she wants. She was played for USC and then she hurt her knee. You know, she never had her full career, but she was the most incredible woman's player by a lot. It's a lot of people say this to Rossall trusty because she's she's the most decorated and be honest to could possibly pass her. I mean, there's a lot of Lisa. Leslie was pretty good park for sure Parker because I think she's a mom. I think an and I'm a mom, and I know that once I had my kids, I probably wasn't at the top of my game for a while. My kids were small. It's hard to be. Yeah. Any Pires was pretty good Lee Reich, it's it's hard to pin with. Phil. What were those conversations like? Was there any talk about his most recent stint? Was that even part of the conversation, his interview took place a long time ago. Remember that this, this, these, it's been a project for six six year. Okay. Okay. So when Phil was interviewed everybody in New York still thought he was God, right? Right. So what was what was his conversation like? Well, feel so interesting because he's, he's just so he's all positive self talk right now. He's, you know, he loves to make fun of the Spurs for that asterik. You know, he has hard time given other people credit, but I always liked his insights into the players. He had some of the insights to Coby and telling Kobe, like you think you want to be the leaders team here to mature you. You can't even get along with these guys in Kobe saying, well, all they talked about his girls in and music. You know, feels like we'll figure it out. A little later on in the chapter that focuses on the Kobe and shack, Lakers and Phil, there's he when he talks about the two thousand eight final right and basically leading the Lakers hang out to dry in that game six when they're getting there yet. So they would remember it the next year thinking they'd be back that that part it was really good, and I wasn't work game three game three burqas said to you're gonna lose the series. He goes, no man. It's just one game very goes. Note you lost him. This series is over in a burqa was right. Who's the all time legend, Bill broker. Summer league. Facility every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Jackie Rafe, whose love story whose love affair with basketball, who'd you say is the most compelling, the most interesting of all the people you talk to say, you gotta read this story. We'll see it's a woman for me. It's Berman. LeBron grew up in in in Rockaway far, Rockaway, New York, no money. She talked about how the lights, two seconds away from the lights going out. They were, you know, one food stamp away, one grandmother away from being able to make the rent. Her parents were divorced, had no money. And she said, she's sitting there with a brother on the lights go on. She goes with the hell just happened. He goes where poor shows I'm not poor us. Yeah, you're poor. We'd have any money and she's like, I'm not gonna live my life like this and she discovered basketball, and that's all became her ticket out. And for so many people in this book, basketball was their way out and one of the most poignant things I think. And I believe it's in the film as well was kinda Hawkins, sane. Nobody ever told me I was good at anything except for basketball Rafe Bartholomew in hall of Famer Jackie MacMullan. The book is basketball. A love story on sale now buy it on Amazon. It is an unbelievable book. All the legends are in it as Michael pointed out earlier. Thank you guys. So much for stopping by. Thanks for having us. Guys a lot this year. Jackie definitely stopped by as much as you'd like. You know, this is your house so they go. All right, coming up next, Rachel Nichols gonna stop by as well. She had big interview today with Mark, Cuban wanna talk to her about that and kind of get her thoughts. Yes. If you want to know how to be a television journalist, everybody sit down and watch what Rachel Nichols did with Mark Cuban today. Spectacular. Yeah, I texted immediately if there was done, I saw her in the building and I said that was some of the best television I've ever seen like you did an unbelievable job. So we'll talk to Rachel about that. Plus the dodgers are looking pretty good Michael, the into that coming up in just a second. All right. Thanks to Jackie. MacMullan rape, Bartholomew. Check out their book by it. It's on Amazon right now. A love story, basketball, a love story. Kobe's in LeBron magic fill you name it. Anyone who's a who's who Michael is in that. That's amazing. They did a great job Thompson Trudell hanging out today. Rachel Nichols gonna stop by five o'clock. So thanks to, whoa, JR. Who was in here Earlier, Michael was asking inappropriate questions. Was it? How do you guys got all this stuff that's going on behind the scene for before GM? Michael has totaled, I think, fourteen questions. So the the guests and George, let get three off on your own. You can do it with l. you want when you're here. I don't care. I want to ask tough questions like me. What are your real master general everybody? Yeah. Right? So couple of things we've got, I want to get to the dodgers a second, but real quick. Don't. I talked about this yesterday, Michael, but I'd love to get your thoughts on what the hell is going on at USC because they're wanting to. We've seen this before, but Claes talking about. He's not. He's not. He's not worried that he feels like that their process will work itself out. They've been through this before it cetera, et cetera. Are they a little overconfident? Because I'd say that JT is not Sam darnold. Sam darnold is a step above what JT Daniels is. And remember Sam was a redshirt freshman at that point, not a true freshman. There's a difference there. So I, you know, they don't have same Donald to bail them out like they've did previously even with a soft schedule coming, not at all day. This is step back for USC football. You know, they're not. They're not Alabama. They're not gonna be in position to be in a final four every year. This is sort of a rebuilding thing for him. And with JT Daniels fresh, true, freshman quarterback. It's going to take a year if they have a year to wait to go eight and four, nine and three or something like that would be considered a decent year. As far as is there then a ten and two team or eleven three team? What is the line of demarcation on wins, where clay's in trouble Trudeau. So I saw the quote today where Helton said, there's a headline ESPN fight on health and says, US practices must improve, and that's the kind of thing where I'm just not sold that USC is where it's fan base wants it to be, and therefore the only thing you can really do at this point is think, I don't know if it's going to be this year. I think it's probably makes more sense to let the coaching staff right out this year, see what they can do, but I'm skeptical that they're going to do anything different than what they've done the last couple of years, which is be good, but not actually threatening to win the big game. So that's that's the thing that they haven't been able to do. And I don't know, I don't. I don't see a path to that really changing by practicing differently because you've had the same coaching staff for this is the third third year because he came in halfway through two years ago that to me, how does that not happen right away. Like, how do you not have the practice up to speed when the coaching staff takes over? Yeah, I don't understand that look man at the end of the day, you're dealing with kids and you need to be the adults in the room. Right? Like some of it is on the players, but in college they're not pros. They're not getting paid for this unique to stay on their butts in those situation. Don't you Mike? No question about it. You're the boss and these guys are looking to you for leadership. So you gotta be tough man. If you are building USC football. But sometimes you got to be realistic and realize that they are not at the level of Alabama and and Clemson right now that's actually concerning to me that whole, the practice thing that to me is like a flag, a red flag. I'm like, whoa, why are? Why is that even a thing at this? Here's the quote, here's a quote from Helton. The one thing that I've learned in twenty years of coaching, his kids are going to react how you react if you don't show leadership, if you don't show that, hey, we understand exactly what this situation as we understand the issues, here's how to fix them. Now let's go get our Joson. Let's go do it. If you don't provide that leadership, they're not going to do it. I actually don't think this, I think play held in the coaching staff have done their very best. I don't think they're lazy. I think they work hard. I think they've done, but I just don't know if they are. I don't think they know what Nick Sabin does at Alabama. I don't think they know what urban Meyer does. It'll house state take away the last couple of months in terms of football. They just they don't. Seem to have this debatable to coach the these guys up to a national contending level that they're not amongst the elite in, but that's not Michael. You've been here for a long time now that is not something that should be acceptable if you ask them exact right. That seems to be the problem. So we got a text yesterday or tweet yesterday. He was a call, I don't remember. But somebody had said to us that they felt that you can keep a guy like Klay under your thumb. If you're the board at USC or tax from from what it was back from a friend who knows the department pretty well. And so that essentially the department realizes that right now they run the show there. Now if you bring in a Nick Sabin urban Meyer, those kind of your job is is up for under scrutiny if you don't deliver what that head coach wants, and we talk about this all the time and certain saves Harbaugh's the highest paid employee in the state of Michigan and save in Alabama. Like these, these guys that are at these programs, do you want. Just have this team. That's that's always going to be pretty good because they get recruits because it's USC but isn't really going to be in the conversation or do you want to basically have to pay for it towards it? You get what you pay for. If you get the next big, I agree that's in college sports. You're paying for the coach because USC recruited self every year. I read top five top six top seven recruiting class. So why aren't they getting top five results? Every year is my question because they don't, you know, he's not in this the statue that stretch of Dabo Sweeney and Sabin Meyer, but you know, those guys are hard. Shouldn't they have someone of that statue somebody up there? He's kind of the point and it looked as a nice man and a good football coach, but I think deserves to be amongst the elite, the dodgers Dave Roberts takes a lot of flack, right? But I think Dave, how much does an unbelievable job, it's managing baseball is really difficult. People don't realize a hundred sixty two games. You got twenty five guys in the rosters and sometimes you have forty during September. There's a lot to manage their and I know people Zaidi and Friedman, they create the lineup, they all do it together. They let the computer spit it out and they'll do that, but managing the egos for that long for six months hundred sixty two games that's difficult. Then guys are they're trying to make a living have put up stats when we get a contract. And then on regular rotation, it's tough to deal with in to manage the question though is who's next if again, maybe Klay turn things around. To happen, but I don't know if I particularly USC fan. I don't have any tied into the team personally, but you don't try to say that this guy needs to be fired tomorrow because they lost these games in row. I just don't looking at George weaken just no sports and know what it takes to win at these top levels of the program. And he doesn't. I haven't always gotten the impression that he sounds like that guy, right? No, he doesn't. And that's to me the thing so you can. You can continue to go down this road, but who is the guy that sounds like that that you can get? And that's the question that I don't know the answer to who is the coach out there. Chris in Washington is the guy on the west coast who's doing the most with the least we. Mike, Mike brought it. They brought him in and they didn't hire him. But right in Mike brought it up yesterday. Right? Like Peterson is right. He does. He just more with less. Yeah, of course. Exactly. And that's, that's what these guys need to do. You need to find a coach that's going to get the best out of these USC players because you have four star, five star, three star guys. You just need coaches that's going to get the best outta. My question is to you guys if he loses at home this Friday to Washington state Eddings are gonna. It's not a close game. Do you think that's it? I, I don't think they fire him in season limited lane. I don't know. I've never. I'm always tried to not say to put it on. If they don't win this game, we have of information about clay Helton the so my question goes back to what you brought up towards and we talked about yesterday, the administration, what are they actually looking? What are the expectations now? Because they know clay Helton right now, it's just does Lynn Swann. Does he know you would think that he should football pedigree, but does he know. Who that coaches that can come in and actually lead USC to where they want. For example, the, we'd just mentioned the dodgers foreign Zaidi was on when I was on the morning show. You know, when they kind of started to turn things around a little bit after first couple of months of the season, and we asked him like, okay, what's going to go on here? Like what needs to change? How soon is the time line here for things that need to change. We got a couple of days or weeks tops, and then things started to turn around very shortly thereafter. With that said, they've continued to kind of bolster their their chances at being the best team in the National League, they've got the best depth, etcetera, etcetera. Their goal hasn't wavered though it's about winning the World Series. I don't know what US's goal is, and that to me is the question, but with the dodgers just to get them here real quick before we go to break. It's it's man a testament to their process that despite all the injuries, all the stuff they've dealt with. The rocky start the ups and downs of one hundred six, two game season. They're still right here. They are prime to win this division again for the sixth straight time. Yeah, and like this. So this has been the biggest week for them. Of course, they go to Saint Louis sweep. Then they come come back here face Colorado, and let's see is it? They finish them off here. Maybe taking the they wanted today when three or four Saint Louis. Yeah. Yeah. And so they won the first two here against Colorado. And now you've got walk reviewer who's right task. He's lights out to shut down the cardinals. So it is a just baseball situation for them. But the reason it can be just baseball for the reasons you mentioned. They have a lot of money. They have a good farm system, right? They have good executives. Yeah, they've got good talent, and it eventually came around like the run differential is one hundred fifty run the highest, the highest. It's just stupid. I think that they really got unlucky for a while. And that's why this is even close show every week. We normally do it at four thirty, but because we've had a lot of guests today, we kind of push things back a little bit every Wednesday at four thirty. Now we'll do it at four. Forty five is our fantasy football segment. Jamie Eisenberg CBS sports. Fantasy football expert comes on every week. Takes your phone calls and your tweets. So lineup right now at eight. Seven, seven, seven, ten ESPN eight seven seven, seven, ten, three, seven, seven, six. If you've got fantasy football questions, you can tweet us at Sodano ESPN or call in. And we'll get those through as quickly as possible. But first small business owners, you know, man, that clear and straightforward communication is crucial. So an AT and t. says, one thing and actually means another man against frustrating. For example, eighteen says they're fast. 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Football expert is gonna stop by if you've got fantasy football questions, now's the time to chime in at eight, seven, seven, seven, ten ESPN. Eight, seven, seven, seven, ten, three, seven, seven, six Jamie's a longtime personal friend, and we'll take your tweets as well at Sodano ESPN and a lot of people are tweeting as well, because sometimes you don't wanna wait on hold and that's cool. We'll get to your questions there, and we've got questions as well as your lineup, Michael for what your fancy team. Oh, well, my fantasy team. I got you saying Roger wrong kind of fantasy Joshua. Yes. Now Michael weekend. Also, Jamie is very good. We like to ask him pop culture, toss up questions. So like Coker Pepsi, right stew we or Cartland Michael coke. Yeah, definitely. Cartman. Right. Who's cartman cartman from south southwest. On family guy. You remember how Simpson you remember how family guy, family guys crush me for little rascals a big thing, but south park, that's a pretty big Shino who we're not going to. You didn't know very quickly. He said south park. Yeah. I know the nascent catch himself, but I know who Ireland. So let's go jamey Eisenberg CBS sports, fantasy football expert friend of the program with this year? Jamie. Michael Thompson is in here with me, and Mike Trudell is in here with me. So they're, they're going to ask questions to, but let's start with who you think is the start of the week this week. I got hit me with it. You know day today is. What's today as what I'm most holy days and try to John Kapoor, right? You gotta hell you Jewish Paul. Well, it was the new year recently. So let Shana Tova they had Jewish Cuban all thing. Juban nobody cares about menial. Yes. The start of the league for us is Drake this week. He's in a good spot. I'm always a big fan of narrative and situation as much as matchup and the raiders playing back to back road games having to go west coast to east coast for one o'clock start knows raking sharing touch with Frank or but he's still leading the backfield. And I think this is a game where he has one of those big breakout performance as though I'm excited about drinking chemistry, Jimmy, a guy that I was curious about before the season started because when jerk McKinney went down to San Francisco and everybody talked about it was gonna timeshare for Mortenson, Matt Breda will read it looked really good last weekend. One big run, of course, the bus outrun. Where do you see that shaking out as the season goes forward in, would you what would you put at this point for Brita, which is like an Rb to do you think that he's got even more upside than that? No, I think our became a safe, you know, and it's kind of heartbreaking for me because I was a big McKinnon fan. So I was hoping that this would be production that we're seeing from Umbria would go to McKinnon. He's the NFL's leading rusher through two week. Nobody saw that coming. Like that. It was really on the on the back of one big run, but cows, Santa hand gets great production from his running back. You're in, you're out. And so he now the guy. And so yes, Morris, we'll have some some opportunities, but you know, just a great spot, I think is offense is gonna continue to take off, you know, stuff matchup week, one against Minnesota. They take advantage of the match up last week against Detroit, and there's going to be one of the best games. I think that we could see all these. Certainly one of the best games on the schedule this week between the forty Niners teeth with the way that those two offenses should operate against their respective defenses. So breezing a great spot where we three moving quarterback for second, a lot of people were intrigued by Patrick Mahomes before the season started because the arm because you look pretty good in the in the final game that he played last year. So I took him speculative Lii and a lot of dress. But usually as my second quarterback, one of these I haven't been have Rogers and all of a sudden for this week ESPN hasn't homes ranked number one as the start even Rodgers. Number three part of that might be because of the knee, whatever. But how? How much do you think Mahomes is gonna stay like this? Are you. Just writing this out. Are you going to try to trade them for if somebody wants to give you a Rb one or a wide receiver one or something like that? What's your Mahomes thought for the rest of the season. I think in in your situation, and I think it's the same for a lot of people that have to quarterbacks within the home or a second quarterback with the home. It's never a bad idea to portray because he may continue this. You may have the damn Merino type season. You know where he comes early career in a bunch of record, but he also may fall on his face. You know, he was a guy that thought was was expected to have some turnovers. We've yet to see that he's also had some great situations catching the charges without Joey Bosa, the Steelers where it looks like there. There's a big flaw their defense and they can't cover anybody so schedules about the gets upper. But he did do that in two games on the road. So if you can turn homes into starting running back or starting wide receiver, I know one of my leagues I saw somebody trade him for Chris Thompson, which is, you know, I think maybe a little bit underselling him, but only getting somebody who has a lot of appeal in PR. So, yeah, you should athlete try and trade him because of the position Claes quarterback so deep. But yeah, for the for the time being you ride this out and he is he's our number one quarter. Back on Jamie Eisenberg. CBS sports, fantasy football expert. We're gonna go through some calls where do rapid-fire Twitter questions after that. But before that this one's for Michael toss up for you. Okay. The Rolling Stones or the Beatles, not you Michael for him. Oh, he's this is you're always debate Michael nine opposite sides of this one. I'm gonna go Beatles though. I guess a little bit more. That's you guys got no soul. Brown sugar. The devil. Two point. I can't good Beatles song. So. Yeah, yeah. Jamie, we couldn't go. We couldn't match. Could we. Doc. Got no rhythm. Okay, let's go to the calls. Cole. Go ahead quickly, but he just give us your question. Cool. Hey, so about that, hey, quick question. I have lady on bell. James Connor duo, and I was looking at, I got an offer for Mark Ingram and Jones. To trade one of the Steelers guys for those guys trade. I have both of the Steelers guys train them for both Mark Ingram and Aaron job. No. You're in a perfect pod. Anybody that has both dealers running back. Is that because Dan, Connor, he may not be levels to hype of levian bell is, but he's not going to be that far away from him giving out his offense and operate as on week one. So do not trade this Steelers guys, if you have both been. Now, if you have one of the two Steelers guys trying to make something out of it because they'll make them back or bailed Bill may not be back anytime soon. You know, depending on what side of the equation you're on, then that's different story. But if you have most dealers running back locked up, enjoy that. It'd be great alexan- south-central go ahead buddy. Alex, fourteen men league PR d- as a flex who'd you go with Dion Lewis, Lamar Miller according to lament. I'll tell you what it is is out. It's easy one that he was great last week was rolled out. So looks like sproles is going to sit again, so that puts them in the conversation for for your team. But if a dis out and we'll find this out, you know, come Friday, then it's an easy call to go with them if a place. I'd probably lean toward Lamar Miller just because offense ivine for tight Dhakal banged up against a tough Jaguars defense a little bit tough, letting those, let's go to agent amount of metal. Adrian, go ahead. Philip rivers. Do I give them the start this week against the Rams. I try to what if you can his track record against Wade Phillips, not exactly pretty as you would imagine. You know, during his time in Denver average, thirteen point, five fantasy points in four meetings when he was with the Broncos in terms of Silla. So with that Ramsay sent, they haven't really been tested yet against open and there's owner, but good as rivers is playing. I would try and avoid in this league. Like for example, I like Blake Bortles better than Philip rivers is the salaries that. Stories that. Tennis if you wanna have aboard, eight, seven, seven, seven, ten, three, seven, seven, six, maroon five or imagine dragons. I guess you gotta go maroon five just from the standpoint of more hits, but in terms of better better songs, I think imagine jackets about, okay, Jason down, he go, I'm sorry, wrong ground line, Todd, in DC go, I'm gonna drag their. Yeah. Hey, Jamie question. Got a Cobb and Baldwin on my bench, and I've been debating on whether dropping one or the other for Antonio Calloway or some of the prospect out there just know that Seattle's in such a mess and Cobb is so. Well, I think just in terms of long-term, I'd rather have Baldwin clearly in the short term Cobb is, is is the one that can help because he's healthy. So it just depends on what you think you need. You know what your record is. If you're into one of one, you know you need to get a win. Then gonna keep pob, but you can try and trade Baldwin somebody that started to donate one want to apply or him and maybe do two for one to try to get something back in return that can help you right away. So if you have to cut, one of these is depends on what your it is, but you know, don't don't be sighted on what could be when he's healthy. If in fact he's healthy soon. That's the key that we're waiting to find out. Jimmy Butler is in the news today, Jimmy Butler. Paul, George. Paul, George better player, Jason downing. Hey, guys, tied imposition. Is it too early to get rid of David? Jokey. And who would you pick up the flax between James white and Dion Lewis. I think things good fought, you know what we've seen from him the passing game until doing that comes back. You know, even does play this week, I think why would still be involved? It is a little too early, give up on the. He's just been frustrating exactly. Second on the team and targets behind Landry. And so now maybe with Gordon gone start to feature them even more. But yeah, it's been frustrating. I wouldn't give up on just yet admin a couple of weeks myself, but you need to start finding a way to get in the end zone and be a little bit more Jimmy question from Brian on Twitter, pick if you can pick two out of these four receivers will fuller the fifth Sean Jackson marquees Goodwin and Tyler Lockett to those four. Yeah, go with the first two. Fuller was awesome. Last week in is the debut still his hamstring farm. So hopefully plays and then you can't get away from this on dock. And right now he's been awesome with Ryan Patrick and facing the Steelers on Monday night. You know, that'd be another game where you can wind up this and then pop culture from chewy Hayes, Zeus Archie bunker versus l. Bundy this is Michael inspired to go racist versus the misogynist. Go go without Bundy just to be politically correct. All right. Here we go quick, rapid fire on the Twitter, Andrew luck or Matthew Stafford Stafford Leshan McCoy Rex Burkhead anybody right now? Matt Ingram. Matting grim, Matt, Ryan, Alex Smith. Matt, Ryan, Josh Gordon, Corey Clement. I don't think Gordon plays very much if he plays it also climent, Kenny stills, Tyler Lockett. Tonio Calloway need to PR. I'm gonna bench still even though I think he's got the higher feeling, but he's not getting the gover- riders. Roger Bradier Mahomes who wanted to go in the home TJ Elden Aaron Jones. Yeldan pick to HOGAN noon what Calloway Brown, John Brown. HOGAN in annual Calloway Goodwin Godwin's Ari. I like the match Godwin Fitch magic, or does Shawn Watson. Man, top one, but I'm gonna go out there is Jamie Eisenberg. CBS sports, fantasy football expert joins us every week. Normally at four thirty went to push them back a little bit because we had some traffic stuff here to deal with. But Jamie, thank you so much buddy. You're the best. Thank guys have a going. Take care there. It is Jamie Eisenberg user, Rachel Nichols who as jagged McMullen put earlier, put on a clinic. If you want to be a journalist with our interview of Mark, Cuban will discuss that with her. She did it today on the jump. If you missed it, it's on podcast and it's all over USPS dot com. And on YouTube and whatnot. You can check it out. We'll discuss that with her and the news of the day. Obviously Jimmy Butler what this all means for the Lakers and the clippers, etc. With her in just a moment.

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"Dead more time to listen to yours truly by going to shell and getting things done at once. I fill up with shell. V power nitro plus then save up with the fuel rewards program finally snack up to save even more at the pump. Make the most of the stuff you need to make with. Shell welcome. I'm rachel nichols today. I'm joined by nba cham- kendrick perkins and our senior writer host of the low post podcast. Welcome to zach lowe coming up guys. The hornets agreed to a four year. One hundred twenty million dollar contract with gordon hayward were they right to gamble on him. We'll get to hayward shortly. But first what a weekend for the defending champs the lakers agreed to a trade for dinner schreuder before free agency began then picked up six men of the year. Mantras harrell and marcus. All over the weekend they also resigned. Casey be an marquee flores. As for the clippers they picked up serge. Ibaka am luke kennard and they resigned. Marcus morris as well so perk. Who has the better roster on paper between these two teams. Of course they don't play on paper but who would you say. The lakers rights walk when the in free agency and he did his thing. He went out there and got ages. Like the lakers loss in didn't win the championship when you look at him. Getting dennis schroder of mantras herald much less hair. Who stole from the clippers. Who is the sixth man of the year. And then you go out there and get west matthews for three point six one of the best two way players in the game today not the best but one of the best and then you go and do you go landmark assault but veteran be that was crucial. Yeah the answer as to the both. These teams are awesome. They're my favorites to in the west. Well look the lakers. Just wanna championship. And they got better. So the answer has to be oleg lakers. Dentist trudeau adds an agreement. They just didn't have last year. A water bug point guard. New congrats on shot. I think he'll do a great job. Role with lebron and ad and marcus. Soul is a perfect fit with their starting five if they decided to start him. Same level of interior defenses dwight in jail. Maybe even a little better except he can shoot threes in space deplore for anthony davis so all of a sudden went to anthony davis posting up the lane. This clear anthony davis is pick and roll diving to the rim. The lane is clear. And oh by the way. If you decide to put your center on. Anthony davis and try to hydropower markelle soul. He can take that guy down to the weight room. You throw in mantras hair. Maybe keep them into sixth man. Kinda roll off the bench. I think the lakers had an amazing off-season clippers and great but when you win the championship you get the benefit of the doubt. It really does seem like a long time ago guys right that the narrative out there was a players. Wanna play with lebron kyrie left. Kevin durant. didn't wanna come kawhi leonard. Didn't want to come to l. lakers play with him. Guess what guys seem to be wanting to play on that lakers team and such an interesting thing happened with the lakers last year. And i wanted to ask you guys about it. Because last summer i said once they built that roster gee i'm worried about their perimeter defense. I was very concerned about where that was gonna come from. And if you look at the numbers of where this lakers roster their core players were the previous season. Look at their defensive numbers from last season you can see where that concern was but then look at this past season. Every single guy got better. I mean much better. And i would say this is in some ways the frank vogel effect. This is in some ways. Lebron getting serious on defense the way he had in the previous few years but it has sort of made me wonder. How do we account for this thing when looking at rosters to say Some of these guys might be so much better consistently one to eight there than they were the previous season. Zach when you see those numbers what do you do when you evaluate rosters. Wall a lot of those numbers. Those are team defense or individual defensive. Ratings. those are really heavily. Depended on your team context so when you added anthony and you added engaged. Lebron james retool the team around them. Everybody's defensive numbers are going to get better so i don't put a huge amount of stock into those numbers. I just think the lakers got better. Talent including a defensive player of the year level player in anthony davis. A coach is going to stress defense from day one and they came out with the mindset of. We're building our team defense and out and when you do all those things together yeah. Everybody's numbers are going to improve. I don't think everyone bought in guys who maybe hadn't brought in as much in the past body and so that's what happens. And i do think they can carry that over into this season. As you point out rachel their perimeter depth just as good now is was when they won in the bubble. Maybe even better. You hit a great point by bringing up. Frank vogel when you look at coach vogue especially when he was with the pacers they were always at the top defensively so frank vogel brings that defensive mindset and once he got lebron james and anthony davis to buy in it then. It's a ripple of fake. Now you see caldwell pope. He's buying in on the defensive. Then and then you've seen Dwight howard mcghee last year the way that they had the defensive impact but now you add dennis schroder who's guy that could pick up ninety four feet who's feisty on the defensive e and who gets you extra possession along with a guy like montreal herald look. Praise mantras harrow about his office package and his nineteen points a game but he's great at taking charges. He's underrated shot blocker. And then we all lucky mark assault would bring to the table along wesley matthews lock in on the wing position at three point six million. It is the it. Looks like golden me for the los angeles lakers and the clippers side serge ibaka. I think makes up for a lot of losses there but zach. Do you think they're done. Because a true ball floor general. It feels like they still need to fill out on that roster while there just aren't a lot of those players left unless they wanna resigned reggie jackson. It's getting to be slim pickings but to answer your question. I don't think they're done. And i don't necessarily think there's moved. It happens now or maybe even before the season. But i don't think the clippers as they stand right now first of all they have to add a couple of players second of all. I just don't think this is gonna be the team that had that is that is playing for the title or playing in the playoffs. After that i think they'll tweak it a little bit but a backer was a hugely important signing for them loot the clip was dropped. The ball i thought they would be more aggressive this off season. I thought that they would try to go out then. Really pursue regime rondo. Because that's what they're missing. They're missing that floor. General them missing adventure leader to be on the ball club. That guy who controls the locker room outside the basketball but they didn't go out there and be aggressive to me right now. The clippers are losing especially the la battle. But they're losing in the free agency. Battled tremendously surgery. Buckle was a good pickup but they needed to add more pieces and they're not getting it done right now well. They got time before the trade deadline still months away. We'll see how they tweak and come up with a roster that's going to take them into the playoffs. I do wanna move onto gordon hayward because he and the hornets agreed to a four year. One hundred twenty million dollar deal over the weekend guys. A lot of folks question hayward opting out of his thirty four million dollar option with the celtics next season but clearly it was for a reason worked out for him zach. What's your assessment of charlotte's decision to gamble on hayward here all right let me defend charlotte hornets a little bit due. I think this is a good contract. Not really do. I think it'll be like a trait asset and a couple of years no but the celtics and the pacers and a sign and trade were offering eighty million dollars or ninety million dollars. It was something over one hundred billion dollars so it's not like the difference. Was that big. And look if you want free agents to come to charlotte. This is what you have to do. Just like if you want free agents to come to any kind of small market you have to overpay them and all you want to say well they should just keep taking and taking and taking. That's just not a reality for a lot of these teams. It's not a reality for these small market teams even in a year. Would you can't sell tickets. And also the hornets as things stood before have had like fifty sixty million dollars in cap space. This coming off season when like two thirds of the league is gonna have a lot of cap space. What are you buying with that cap space. That's better than gordon. Hayward gordon hayward if he stays healthy is still a really really good player so no. I don't think it's a great contract and the everyone wants to climb the hornets for going all in for the like they always do. I just don't think it's as bad of a deal as people are making out to be. And i gordon hayward is still a damn good player was like i have the disagree with you. I'm all for players getting bread and getting near lettuce but for the hornets. This was a bad deal. And we're coming up on. Thanksgiving and michael jordan is already thinking about christmas. Because his he. If he's gonna be this given i might have to retire from. Espn and go back and say. Because if he's going to be given out of dollars. I can go out there and go picks and rebound if he just in the given move do this type of signing is not good and i understand. It's hard to land free agents in a small market. But when you go out there and give a hundred and twenty million dollars a guy that's over thirty does getting up in age. You know to lynn gordon hayward whose to meet not number one option guy he could set show organization bank in the future and i just think would organization like the hornets. You did well by drafting lamelo ball. You continue to draft. Young guys and develop young guys have a great player development. Not go out there. And spend a hundred and twenty million dollars on the agent gordon hayward who hasn't really been held. His health is one of the big flags rate of course and the injury when he first got to. Boston was a freak injury but he's had many injuries. Since then. mr trump of time in the bubble. I do always want to compare it though. If you're spending money on gordon and people say why you shouldn't be doing that it's way over paying him. Well what else would you be spending that money on. His ex point their options of what else to spend that money on are not the same as some other teams around the league. So we'll just have to watch and see if he becomes worthwhile signing for them and especially his health over the coming years. I do want to switch gears quickly though because the delegation of nba players several officials from the players association at the vatican today the vatican for a private audience with pope francis to discuss their work on social justice issues. The delegation included. Kyle korver sterling brown from the bucks. Jonathan isaac of the orlando magic. Anthony tolliver the union secretary treasurer marko. Bela nelly and michelle roberts executive director of the players. union zach. This was your story this morning. What else can you tell us about how this came about and the discussions. They had an intermediary for the pope. The pope feels weird to say the pope and not contagious colwell pope but they reached out to the union and said hey we really admire what these players have done for social justice and racial inequality i've liked to have a visit with them or the pope would and look. I don't know what you guys believe. Doesn't matter what i believe when the pope summons you you apparently go to the pope. Because he's he. Everything says is important for like a billion people on planet earth so for the players to get a stage like this an audience like this no matter what you believe is kind of objectively a big deal absolutely and when you think about it tells you how great of a job these nba guys the current nba guys. That are playing did for us. We would they doing outside of the court force their leadership in social justice because this is powerful and they got to keep it going. And i love what i'm saying out of these young leaders and a couple of bed older veteran leader. So right zach said and like you said when the plo call this is a beautiful thing to see and it just shows that we're moving in the right direction. Speaks a lot of pope francis as well. I think our guys coming up. The hawks have been aggressive in free agency including signing bogdanovich to an offer sheet. Is this something nothing. Are everything find out next on the jump own. Goodyear believes in the power of moving forward. No matter if it's on the track the court or the field movement makes us want to be more it pushes us to go further to show the world what we can do movement as the unique ability to change our perspective to challenge us to work for a better tomorrow movement can even bring us together when we're still because if we're focused on the next move we don't have to worry about what's behind us goodyear more driven i received the reliable from allow reliable source say bad. Oh the hawks are targeting. Some veterans shooting and by don gala. Nari joe harris in rondo are people that are very interested and they feel like they can get two of these guys for sure. Welcome back to the jump. I'm rachel nichols deer here with kendrick perkins zach lowe and you just heard former atlanta hawk. Current jump analysts. Vince carter on our free agency special on friday. And guess what guys you might be giving you a run for. His money he was right about going ari right about rondo hawks targets and another guy he mentioned is the subject of our first topic. Here one of our favourite games so nothing everything. Yes restricted aged free agent. Bogdan bogdonovich ninety four years. Seventy two million dollar offer sheet with the hawks. Kings has until tomorrow to match that offer. If he stays with the hawks. Vince carter would be three for four on his predictions and reporting zach. So is this offer sheet something nothing or everything. And do you need to add vince. Carter to the reporting team here at. Espn well first of all. He was also right about joe harris. The hawks love to go after. Joe harris but everybody knew he was going back to brooklyn the bogdonovich offer sheet. Is something actually really like is fitted atlanta. I like it better than danilo. Gallinari was gonna have to play a lot of small forward for them. And i surly loved that i like the idea of another really good ball handler on the wing who can get the ball out of trae. Young's hand a little bit and let trae young run around and said screens like steph. Curry does trae could be really impactful and that kind of role and gives some other guys a chance. They handle the ball. I think everyone's happier. The ecosystem works. So i really liked this move by the hawks and now we just wait to see if the kings match and the hawks made at nasty with like a trade kicker and stuff. I love when these offers get nasty roy to zag but the biz to the hawks will be everything would try young by visit. This might be the best going back court in the nba. By donna villages are god teams. Have the prep for shoot around and make sure they have a focal point on how to stop him. He is a walking book. Then you pay him along a guy that's a level. Four scored like trae young. It's gonna be hard to stop them out physically. I don't care about how. Terrible day on the defensive. If you've got this must go and power your bed court you. Are you have a problem. And then they can go with a three goal line of what they have rondo at plan the point and have both for those guys playing off the ball. It can be serious. We could see a splash brothers. You know law. Version of the splash. Brothers down there in atlanta. And i got land of making the playoffs even by donald is. Don't come but it'd be do come. They're gonna make the playoffs and actually make some noise in the playoffs. That's how much of a fact he is. The question then is are the kings going to bash or as bogdanovich going to be in atlanta season. Nobody knows everyone's asking me that question today. I think given that the kings already orchestrated as science rate for him. That didn't actually work out. I would bet slightly against them matching. It's a lot of money. And they have a lot committed to buddy. He'll dared fox and harrison. Barnes and marvin. Bagley is come up so i would bet slightly no but no team likes to lose a really good player for nothing. So i'll say forty. I don't feel confident in it. What do you think the king should do perk. No i think the met. You can't get rid of look. You can't let a guy like this. This wall. And i think what the kings already given given the young kid fox his money. You can't let the second option guy got it shows you that. He's a closer a flat out scored. Just leave your organization without trying to put up a if so i do think the kings should match. We'll see what they do. they also have. Of course zach noted other financial commitments and. Let's get one of those rising star. Aaron fox received a five year. One hundred sixty three million dollar max. Dissension this past weekend fox. Less than one month shy of his twenty third birthday. So perk is this extension something nothing or everything right to it is everything it is everything. They drafted fox and every single year. This young man has gotten better. He's one of the most underrated point guards in the league as he keeps getting better every single year. I think this is a right move by the kings. They're moving in. The right direction is showed that they're invested into who the guy that they draft as a lottery. Pick in the sky's the limit for for fox. And i love because you know. He's a texas boy so i'm always looking for men. I'm happy for him but he he's a he's a great starting point for the kings organization. It's everything at ashby everything. Because it's every damn dollar they kinks offer him and actually reminds me a little bit of the nuggets deal with jamal. Murray where it's strikes you as a little early strikes people as early but this is a mid market small market team. That has to take care of. Its own guys. And i'm a deer and fox believer dared fox believe right. I think he has talent. I think it'd be a leader that said last year. He got better at a lot of stuff. Finishing in the paint. Getting to the line playmaking but twenty nine percent from three. If that doesn't change guys we're going to go under picks against him. And i thought he's defense kind of plateaued maybe a little worse that said if he can put together the improvements he had last year and improve those other parts of his game than it. All comes together and you have a potentially really really special player. And i'm actually optimistic. He can put it all together like that. Well if you're talking about situational contractual common jamal. Murray certainly the kings would be happy if it ended up as well for them as it has done for the nuggets in that situation. Lastly i want to fred van vliet who agreed to a four year. Eighty five million dollar deal to resign with the raptors. The deal includes a player option in the final year. It is the largest contract in nba history for an undrafted player. So i just a little congrats from all of us to fred van. Wli his expression is bet on yourself right so is it something. Nothing or everything. Zach that fred bed on himself. Got those kind of numbers and he's going to return to the toronto raptors. Obviously it's everything. Isn't this what you want to see in sports undrafted too little not athletic enough kid finishes at the rim blah blah blah blah blah and. He comes in and he's a flat out stud. He's a winner. He's tough as hell. He's a character guy. He's making twenty million dollars a year and just for kicks. Gimme the player opposite in year. four. So if i'm still rolling back into free agency again in my prime i love it. I love it for the raptors. I kind of wanted the knicks to go after them. Because i think the knicks point guard in the absolute worst way. But it's a great deal for advanced lead. Great deal for the raptors. What right to is not. Everything is not something. That's not nothing. This is a beautiful thing. You're watching a guy who did get drafted all draft night guys. Look forward to get drafted. But now fred fleet showing guys that never got drafted and especially in this year's draft to never give up and much props to messiah jury for taking a chance on the guy like for vanfleet and nick nurse actually given him opportunity to go out there and prove himself. But you gotta give a lot of props afraid vanfleet because like you said. He bedded on hisself and not follow him on social media and he always had the the emojis of the dice and rolling the dice. And guess what he struck. Go man and i'm proud of them. Because for the simple fact that he came out he delivered. He's underrated defender. He could get buckets in. This contract is well deserved so to to the young fellas idea that didn't get drafted are still trying to find a way on the nba. Roster never give up because all you need is that one shot and they door opens. You gotta make sure you capitalize on opportunity like free did. He's he's given us all hope especially these younger kids this coming up. Absolutely as so impressed with him the way he managed his own development and career. And this is everything guys for the raptors too because first of all it speaks well of their system. As you said messiah. Jerry nick nurse and everybody on that staff who worked with fred to uncork all of his talents and they lost serge ibaka and if they had lost fred van vliet to that would have triggered such a sea change in that organization. So i think this. Is everything both for fred and for the raptors themselves. Coming up guys. We're going to talk a little celtics because you know. They maxed out jason tatum. What does the signal to celtics. Fans are hall of famer. Jackie mac is going to join us next to discuss. You're watching the jump stick with us. Hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it when i call myself your homemade so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room. My floorboards are tired. Another easy thing. We could save money if you bundle your home and car insurance with geico on moore thing. I know you love lavender scent candles but could be tried to. he should vanilla. I think it would fit my five better for bundling easy go to geico dot com today and welcome back to the jump. Look who's here to join us hall of famer. Jackie mckeown as good to have jackie back and it was good to get her. What we're talking celtics. We got a lot to discuss. Jason tatum agreeing to a five-year max extension. That's worth one hundred ninety five million dollars if tatum makes all mba this season. Now this is all based on the projected cap. The deal was expected but considering how boston has lost some big free agents recently jackie. What does this extension signal to celtics. Fans coupled with gordon hayward departure. Well i can tell you. It's been a very rugged few days for celtics fans and i think what this signals rachel is. There was a little buzz. After gordon hayward left and the celtics got nothing remembered now the third player in the last two season to walk cari irvine before him and al horford before him as well and i think there was some buzz around the league. Do people not want to play in boston. I think jason. Tatum is saying if pay me the max. I'll be happy to play it all. Be your cornerstone. And so there's a sigh of relief here in boston. Because he's the most important player. This was a no brainer for the celtics to try to get this done. Yeah big picture to story of the celtics. Season was jason tatum emerging as a legitimate all. Nba level superstar. What this contract signals is here you go. This is what you get paid fairly legitimate olympian levels superstar and to jackie's point it's a reminder that boy that trade with brooklyn talk about a trade that changed the landscape of the nba. And still ripples to this day. Because jason tatum and jaylen brown are in boston. Because of that trade. And they're really the only constants. al horford has gone. Gordon hayward gone kyrie irvings. Gone thomas is gone. Those two are the franchise now and as long as they're they're boston is going to be relevant. And really good in the east but boy without that brooklyn trade. It's hard to imagine where they'd be tackling list will listen. I understand people had concerns. But i didn't and his wife without those guys leaving going haywood career of al horford. We wouldn't have got a chance to see the full potential of jason tatum. They were just in this way and then all of sudden he took off. He took off towards the last part of the season. Right around the all star break and he started to re superstar status. And now guess what happened. Everybody's moving going hayward live. They got money on the table. Danny agent with gross beggars steve back. Peggy luga that's what they did time the truck and they pay this man this is. This is the new paul peers of the celtics right. He's going to be the franchise guy for the next ten years. The boston fans should be happy. They have appears in jayson. Tatum will deserve. And i feel very comfortable with him. Leading the franchise jason. Tatum can get his number hung in boston. Garden wena finals. Mvp and do everything else. That paul did for the celtics. That will certainly be a good career for him and jackie. Mike instinct is that. Hey al horford. Gordon hayward each of those players have pretty specific situations extenuating circumstances things around them. But is there any concern about the celtics franchise losing these guys for nothing or do you. Just look at them individually and say. Hey i get it in each situation will your points are good. One rachel kyri who can ever explain what's going on in kyrie's head and al horford left for situation that he thought was going to help them closer to a championship. Of course that turned out not to be true at all. And it all imploded. Gordon hayward i understand why he did this. He wanted to spread his wings. He had these catastrophic injuries. That were all freak injuries. I do not consider him injury. Prone and i know that seems like a crazy thing to say but but by the time he did get back and got a chance to be healthy. These other guys have passed him and so if he wants to be an all star again. It's not going to happen in boston. So maybe it can happen for him in charlotte. But if you're the boston celtics and you're a fan of the boston celtics. It's still pretty much stinks. When guys are leaving if you're going to build a foundation of a great franchise you don't want people walking out the door and that's what's happening. Well it will be interesting to see as they go forward going off that tatum extension. I wanna get to a bigger picture because the two thousand seventeen draft class in general has been catching in weave extensions all over the board but one notable exception ban the bio. We assume the heat or trying to maintain cap flexibility for twenty twenty one but zach. Is there pressure on the heat to extend bam now. What are you hearing from obama. And his agent about what. Their expectations are for this offseason. Well it certainly doesn't help heats argument that made me. Bam should wait that everyone else's not waiting but this is a massively important issue because if bam signs that max extension now the heat's caps situation is such that they might have to trade almost everybody up to and including tyler. Herro according to bobby marks so i check with today just to fit alice's supermax. Or the oddest is mac or anybody else's max. Should that come to pass. We don't know if that would be an opportunity for them. So yeah. I think fox tatum and on and on signing donovan mitchell signing these contracts does put pressure on the heat i think the heat and bam and his team will meet this week and we'll get news out of that meeting need obam. Any honest actually have the same agent. So that's another tricky dynamic part to all this we'll see how much pressure they exert. I understand what you're saying. And i and i get it that you know the miami heat still might have hopes that they could possibly Land yanni's but my grandpa used to tell me you can never pass up some of the show trying to get some over here. These young stood and bam who was first time all star. The sky's the limit form. He should get his people. he deserved. If you're the miami heat a usa yusei meyers leonard to two year. Twenty million dollar deal and you look at a guy like bam and what he did in his regular season and how he elevated his game in the playoffs is time the pay that man would. He's worth he deserves every single dollar. Let's get it done. I need a built. Make sure that he's one of the central points of the franchise and don't depend on a wooded and take the for so that's right there in front of your face and that's bam okay. That's all well and good but first of all let's not compare aunt meyers leonard situation to bam. Because that doesn't make any sense to me if you're if you're bam and he comes you and say you are cornerstone you we're gonna take care of you. We swear but we want to help you win a championship. And if you can be patient just a little longer we want to see how this plays out so we can have jaanus next to you and you can win a championship together. I don't think that's unreasonable. From a franchise point of view. Now if it gets to a point where we're bam in his agents. Say listen fisher cut bait then you have a decision to make but to buy a little time here. Janas hasn't made up his mind yet as far as we know. We haven't certainly heard one way or another whether he's gonna sign that supermax. It's just prudent on everybody's part to wait a little longer. Well yeah i was gonna say burke that that that made the point that janas ambaum have the same agent so there is someone involved here who is very familiar with the honest. This thinking partly understand the idea of not rushing into this over this past weekend until they see how things play out with janas and the bucks over the course of the next few weeks that being said and jackie look we can all look at the numbers and say yes it would be better for the heat as an organization if they can have banned. Wait they do give him that full reward next offseason that will give them more flexibility. If janas are frankly and opportunity for another big free agent comes in to help him and twenty twenty one but with all the injuries you have seen around the league major injuries. They're major players if you were on the other of that as you point out. Jackie really good speech from the heat. Very prudent makes a lot of sense. Would you still feel comfortable taking that risk right. That's a fair point and we'll have to wait and see. It really is a literally. Wait and see thing. And i'm not saying you know you wait forever if you're bam and his agent at some point you're going to say listen. We've we've tried to play this game with you and now we need to get paid. And everybody would. Respect that. Jack i wasn't comparing meyers leonard obama and that type of way. What i'm saying is if you're gonna call for say mas linda ten million dollars a year. Then you definitely have to take into consideration a get your friend. One of your franchise the pieces out the way. That's my point. I know bam is probably ready and this is the problem with guys like bam and john. This initial situation happened the same agent. Because you just never know it could be so many hidden agendas behind this and this is why sometimes ages lose clients because they may leave toys one way and give with one client bad advice to help another client now so this is the sticky sticky reported the situation when you dealing with ages that have the same client and you dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars in an mvp but that's unavoidable perk. Every if not. I mean kevin durant the only one i can think of that. Has one agent rich climate. That has no other clients almost all when you when you who was i forget who your agent was. But i'm sure he had multiple clients. That's just how it works in the nba rituals to rachel's point to rachel's point if you bam to wait right if you them to wait and say we're going to give you all the money in a year. You better damn well. You better mean it if he tears his chilies. God forbid you better mean it if he has a bad season by his standards or something like that. You'd better give him everything. Because to rachel's point. I see no reason for any player to wait when the money is there for them. Band has earned it by any state by any standard is play performance. He's all nba level player. He has earned it. So if you say you wait you better meet it. You'd better give it to them. No matter what yeah and look. I actually think it's a band advantage in this case that he has the same agent as you on this perk. I would say that. That gives them a window into the thinking of the big domino piece that might be affecting his situation. So i think it's actually good for bam that alex's both the agent for him and for janas is interesting and it is a case of what might be best for the team big picture versus what might be best for the player which then again the next offseason turns into. What's also best for the player who wants to compete with the team to win a championship. So it's all interwoven and a problem that the heat are going to have to work out. Zach lowe thank you so much for joining us has been great having you with us over this free agency period. Jackie burke i need you to hang out in the next segment. Everyone else watching because coming on what we're going to sift through the opening weekend of free agency and pick some winners and losers. A couple of la teams might be mentioned. Your apartment speaking. And i need some favors. When you're singing in the shower. Just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really. You're a soprano. Oh and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with geico it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night. Could you read out loud but skip the murder parts. Because i get scared easy. Go to geico dot com today. All right guys so much action over the weekend. The dust hasn't fully settled from free agency. But we still want your winners and losers so jackie we will start with you. Who is winning free agency. Oh to me. It is most definitely the lakers. Dennis schreuder you. We'd mantras harold. I haven't read anybody that saw that coming. And then you add one of my favorite nba player of all time. Marcus skull who i know is a little older. He's not he's three point shootings fallen out but he's still one of the smartest savviest defensive players in the league. I picture him guarding. Your kids for the lakers. When it comes time. I also love what portland did in atlanta. Those are my two runners up will deck. You absolutely right. The lakers are the big biggest winner. Because all the points you pointed out. But i love with the celtics done added of tristan thompson to that roster and jeff teagan. Then let's talk about the phoenix suns. They all win the big time getting chris paul and a guy like jae crowder. Ano- another another guy like each roy. Moore who a lot of people don't value. I'm looking at his phoenix suns roster and they look pretty damn good on pay also the center such an exciting team going into this next season so rushing for suns fans who have seen that team mismanaged for very long time to be putting the right pieces together both last season and now going into this season. The portland trailblazers. I don't know how they could have done better. Considering faster is the lakers phenomenal considering especially that montrose. Harrell is not only a good player to pick up. He's going to be better on your team. Then he was for the clippers. Just because of the fit with anthony davis and some of the other players that can cover up for mantras weaker defensive issues and then you also weakened your opponent across the hallway which i know is big. Deal when lakers clippers land whether they admit it or not and then i'm going to throw one more in there. I don't know if this is technically free agency. I'm just kind of lumping in the whole week with trades and the draft and everything else but philadelphia. Jackie you and i have talked so often about the fifth between joel. Embiid and ben simmons and the biggest issue when having that discussion is who are the players around them. I don't know if we have the researcher. Caesar but if you look at these two guys when they were on the floor together to just a couple years ago they were plus fifteen. I mean that you look at that and say god. Those guys can't play together. They don't fit because they had spacing. They had other guys around them. And then you look at each season since then and how. The numbers have gone down. Well they didn't change into different players. It's because of the players around them. So daryl morey did such a job switching out the players around them. They're not there yet at an ideal esther but the improvement i think is such a fresh air breath of fresh air for those two guys. They are in my winners category for the week at large for the other side of the coin though jackie. Who are your losers. Well i'm gonna stick in los angeles again. We talked about mantras herald walking across the hallway. Doesn't probably just move his stuff from one locker to the next. I think that's a pretty big blow. And i'll tell you something that a lot of people aren't talking about that they should be to michael. Green going into the nuggets for me is also a big loss for the clippers and remember we were talking about rajon. Rondo going across the hall with his stuff to the other locker. Not so fast. He ended up going to the hawks. So for me the clippers. Do not come on this. Well here's the other thing. They did search. Baca who i like. I'm probably like even a little better. The mantras herald because of what he can do but he has a player option for twenty twenty one. Rachel and perk. That means that if things start to go sour. He kawai paul. George they can all walk in twenty twenty. Were my biggest loser is the rockies he you got your to franchise guys excellent or be traded right now you go out there and you signed christian woods look. Kristen was is a good young player. But he's not moving the needle and you let all these guys that walkaway don't make any type of moves to make your stars happy especially james harden to try to keep him so right now. The biggest loser in free agency is the houston rockets. They're dropping a bout disley. But i would like to add one more thing the different nuggets or lose the right now to me because they lost jeremy grant and i thought they should've did everything and they power to keep him especially the way that he defends his length size athleticism and in the western conference where you need a guy like to watch lebron james linden and all these athletic wings even the kevin durant and you let them walk away. I thought denver really lost on their on. The losing germany grin on a little surprised to hear you. Put the celtics in the winner's category. I i like the tristan thompson signing two. I think that fills a need for them. I think that he will be a good active. Dedicate player for them except for a few spots relatively injury-free but do you think that the celtics roster got appreciably better as a winner. Jackie or would you put them more as neutral. I would not put them as a winner. Gordon hayward walked away for nothing. And i'm telling you people don't understand how important gordon hayward was to the celtics. This is a guy who put aside is ego. Put aside the number of shots. He was the best facilitator on that team last year and he the shots that he did make very efficient. Now i get. Everybody looks at the dollar signs. Was he worth thirty. Four million dollars. Would i have paid what the charlotte hornets paid him. Five or the boston celtics. No i wouldn't but he's still walked away without getting anything for him. I don't consider that a win. Yeah i do ahead. Zach considered a win. Because i'm gonna tell you why he walked away and now give the keys to jason tatum. Jalen brown and you still have kimball walker so you have a big three. And do you have got to the like jeff teague. Who's capable of giving you fifteen sixteen points a night and then you add tristan thompson. One of the best guys in at the center position that can anchor defense which one to five is a lot threat at the basket of senator dead. They've been missing that. The celtics been needing. He brings us a certain type of tenacity. So i know i understand. Losing gordon hayward was was a little slow but getting moving out the way so jaylen brown and jason. Tatum could now flourish and take over. That's a huge win. The me and i really think that these guys could get it done well. Time will tell perk. If you're right we'll see it's a competitive eastern conference you've got brooklyn that we know we'll get better with kevin durant coming back and kyrie healthy. We know miami dogs. We know milwaukee is ready to run so we'll see what that eastern conference look like and where the celtics fallen there. We spoke about a few guys who got extensions earlier in the show. But let's not forget about donnie mitch. If he makes an all mba team next season he can trigger. A thirty percent escalator clause. That would turn the guaranteed one hundred sixty three million dollar base still very good money into one hundred ninety five million. So jackie do you think mitch's chance mitchell's chances are getting that bag. Definitely trending in that direction. Rachel but here's the problem. Think about the people that were not all mba. Last year steph curry kevin durant kyrie irving all because of injury joel embiid because people left him off their ballot. Jamal murray because maybe the rest of the world didn't know about him yet. There are five players right there who weren't all mba. So i'm not saying it can happen but it's a crowded field this crowded field but look. I said this before the bubble. This was auditioned for on the mitchell. When he went to the bubble without by donna and he crosses season is passed all tests. He proved that he's number. One option and i believe he will make all nba next season. Outlook gets her. Watch out. I wanna get to this at the buzzer because guys wizards general manager. Tommy sheppard said on a conference call just in the last couple hours despite reports to the contrary john wall according to tommy sheppard has not not asked for trade in the franchise. He says has no plans on trading wall her situation. I don't believe it. I don't believe that they can't just tell me. The skies green in the grass is blue ridge. I don't believe it at all. I'm gonna take. Tommy sheppard as it were just because it's not going to happen right now. Rachel doesn't mean it can't happen ten weeks from now ten days from now. thanks so much. Jacqui and perks zach lowe for joining us earlier thanksgiving special on the jump. Tomorrow see then.

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NBA FINALS 2020: Heat vs Lakers

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NBA FINALS 2020: Heat vs Lakers

"Great News there's a quick way you can save money switch to Geico Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance go to GEICO DOT com today and see how much you could save. You've got. Welcome to the Jim presented by. Dell. Pots and Pans Cam indeed welcome to the job. I'm Rachel Nichols joined alongside with my bubble co host pickle ball aficionado Richard Jefferson we are outside if he lovely Coronado Springs Hotel Disneyworld today because the court over at the arena is undergoing a finals makeover as we speak, it is raining behind us because this is Florida and it rains here in the afternoon but you know we're still gonNA make this exciting Richard it's amazing. I'm very excited because we get to debut the court tomorrow here on the junk and joining richer tonight today is our longtime contributor Amino Hassen who went yes. Catherine six months without getting a haircut due to his decision to leave. In coronavirus type abroad or wow. Oh Wow. Yeah it got. Oh Wow. We got a lot. We're wouldn't our guy I like to laugh on the most. A memo made the trip to New York City and finally got it. Yeah. I. Love the. Guys. You don't. It's I'm. Ten pounds lighter I feel a lot less harassed at the airport, which is a good thing but I gotta say rate till looking Richard. You look like you came up the bowling ball assembly line man what's going on your head so shiny it is distracting so We'll, coming, up. As well to discuss where the Celtics go from here after making it to the Eastern Conference finals. But Wallace short to the heat stay tuned for that but I. Twenty twenty old us this one it has been the worst year that many of us have lived through all basketball matchup like Lakers heat is not GonNa cure global pandemic fix racism. It is refreshing change right now the universe deliver something. So absolutely fun. We're GONNA get to see Jimmy Butler go against Lebron James Bam by overseas Anthony, Davis Keith culture, versus the second coming of showtime. Pat Riley versus everybody Riley's involvement here really is just fascinating. Here's a guy who was responsible is anyone for inventing the eighties identity that the Lakers carry to this day. A decade ago in Miami, He then became the godfather of the super team well, at least the modern. And now he's riding a group that is all old school in both concept and construction but wait when it comes to the intrigue in this series is the old infomercials used to say there's more there's the Lakers vowed to use these playoffs to honor Koby Bryant and all the emotion and burden that comes with it. There's Andre Adela playing in his sixth straight NBA. Finals Lebron in his ninth in ten years, which is just I mean that is insane people over the weekend I asked Lebron what he did during the NBA finals last year his lone year away in a decade he said he was with a bunch of different. Places including a vacation house in Kabul and wait for it a hookah lounge of course. But he also said that he watched every minute and even started visualizing what he himself would have done on every physician. Well, he won't have to visualize anything this year and neither will Butler who imagined and predicted this moment and now gets to actually go live it here was Jimmy sitting down with me before this year's playoffs started keep in mind we have this conversation right after the he had fallen to the number five seed with a projected second round date with reigning MVP percentage Kubo and the bucks looming yet Jimmy still said this. So, how far can me go down here? We can win this. You think you can win the whole thing this. Yes. You know you're not favor to don't I don't care. I don't care. I don't care speak for myself. I don't give a damn anybody says, and I think I can speak for my teammates when I say they don't give a damn either. During last night's trophy ceremony I checked in with me on that predicted. Still, does that confident? Very, much so I think coach Pat and everybody else in organization did a great job put his group together We've been together with binny's in each other's corner all year long and it doesn't stop. Here we go for more ago. and. Why not have that confidence after what the heat had pulled off here in the bubble for all the talk about how much talent the Boston Celtics have it was Miami that went on a thirty five seventeen run to close out the Eastern Conference finals off celebrations from South Beach too little enough. We got car parades of fans banging pots and pans. took. Love that Sal we got he's jerseys flooding the streets. Wayne. Wade DJ colleague partying all over the Internet. Awesome. Oh and the party the heat themselves had at the hotel here in the bubble Jimmy wanted wearing an Eric's pollster University of Portland Jersey which is amazing. Tribute earned sponsor. Himself has a great story. Yes. You've seen the pictures he started out as. Video Coordinator but the real story with him now is just how elite a coach he has become. Take. A look at where he ranks among some of the best coaches this league has ever seen. He's just a flat-out winner Kenny add to that in this year spinal facing his own former field general Lebron for the next couple of weeks we will get to watch and see and experience the joy and accelerations of high stakes basketball at it's finest which this year of all years I am pretty grateful for indeed. All Right Richard The rain has just just come behind us. It's awesome. I'm into conditions fuel reporter now. You're so many things I would like to know what your impressions are though of a heat Lakers final. I'm excited one you know in the media, their storylines, there are opportunities to talk about Jimmy Butler in his you know really his journey from Chicago to Minnesota to Philly to now here as a leader of a team obviously late Lebron James and what he's been able to accomplish. Has, been well documented, which you also have guys like Anthony. Davis that are here for the first time you have blight Howard and Rondo that are have revitalised their career to help lead a team that hadn't been to the postseason in eight years and the Lakers. So I'm excited about this there's a lot to gain for both teams and there's also a lot to lose for both teams. You know is this is a great series I. Think it's the combination of when you talk about Lebron James obviously ascending to his rightful place. In the League as as the best player and the team he used to play for and I can't think of anything better than watching his analytical mind his high Q. tried to decipher and break down what the heat do well defensively with the zone, and then offensively with all the ball movement body movement they they have going and Rachel I gotTa. Tell. You even though I'm not sure you can hear me over there. I kind of this is going to happen. The show but now it's GonNa Happen I you know I had an idea way back when back at the deadline that the Miami would be in the NBA finals and I actually have all my phone, the emails. Share for the hotel reservations that I made for the final I made to differ reservations I made one in Katie homecourt, and then when hey, maybe they do have them for but as soon as have on day louder, I had a premonition that this moment what happened welcome the heat island everybody. I will say this very to Santa Talking about twenty twenty s wind. It is one of the great robberies of this year when we get to the more frivolous stuff I'm obviously not talking about the more serious stuff but on the frivolous side of things, the fact that Los Angeles and Miami are not hosting these. It's so sal. It's just so sad our getting rained on. Orlando Standard. To the West. This pickle ball matches this morning. please. All right. Coming up. We have so much more to come on the show again top five, four you get Celtics talk with Jackie macmullan stick around. We'll be right back. This class look haunted. I don't think. So those two creepy girls come stay with us back. He's truly frightening which fairly Siri missing monogamous great service with Geico you four seven access to licensed agents. Thank you creepy girls to see our room. We're GONNA sleep in the car now. We'd switch today for twenty, four, seven access to licensed agents. All right guys we got some celebrations going on and Miami I lived in Florida right after college that pots and pans celebration I will i. will hear that in my sleep for the rest of my life, it is just the most fun way. The city looks loose. And mean. You're the mayor of heat islands. By the way I should know before we there we go see and I should know by the way before we continue that it was raining. So launch here in the bubble, it started thunder and lightning, which is why we have moved to our indoor location. Shout out to our producers Andrea Melinda Dave McMenamin pass by carried. It was very, very impressive. Alright. So I mean I think I know the answer from your sunglasses will there be a parade on heat island who you got in the game. So I to stay with the thunder and lightning I'm glad Richard is indoors because he's like a lightning rod that headed shining like a two hundred watt lightbulb but as far as will there be a parade you know there won't be a parade and realize because we are observing Kovic protocols as we should. But as I always say on the Dan Lebatardshow, it's about theater. Of the mind. Yes. On the island, we will have a Parade Ladies and Gentlemen I've got the Miami in one, two, three, four, five, six games six getting to Miami. I'll take down the mighty Lebron James. I can't wait because as I said in the first segment, the battle of the mind you have aired sculptor why don't they get enough credit? We people get a great code, but as far as being prepared and thrown out all the different types of books in possibilities, he's tops in the League as far as I'm concerned and then Lebron James. You know you guys know this? He's like a mini computer. If he's seen something wants it doesn't get deleted. He Hits Control F. on the PDF that is his brain and he looks up again in two thousand eleven as a member of the Miami Heat. He fell to the zone defense. The Dallas played to a wonderful six-game win for them. Miami might try to this zone out against him. I think Lebron seen it and remembers it and we'll be able to react accordingly. So I'm excited but I do have the Miami Heat in six games. He's going to one hundred percents. He's a ton of that zone one, hundred percent remember remember. I on. The Lakers three point shots, free throw shots those are the things are going to be the biggest concern you WanNa know one area that you can team into three and that's playing a ton of zone. So I do agree with you I mean he's he's going see this but this is a great series. Why because everyone has the? Lakers. As the favourite if the Lakers win nobody be surprised but there is not A. Person here in this bubble, there's not a person in America that at Miami he were to win feels like it would be this crazy upset not if you're looking at team versus team, it's more of like the Star Lebron James Anthony Davis versus the stars of the of the Miami Heat but I think this is so so dig it very similar to the Miami versus Boston is that the Lakers are gonna be favored. So, first of all, you didn't answer the question Richard is they're going to be a parade on, he'd island or not. I was piggybacking off when I know you're gonNA have to actually. Inside the decision what would you say there, there is not going to be a traditional parade there will be a parade there will be something I know one thing in America that people that part of the artists of the South Floridians here's what I know. The State of Florida has a lot of things open even during Copa. Time. So there could be a parade. Regulations. Are No getting our. Would get everything we're going all Kuban food. After that we are sending me in a way as much as we love him. Thank you. Thank him. Israel has thank you for getting your haircut coming up. Next Jackie macmullan. Party, she's going to talk a little bit of Boston Celtics. She's also going to discuss how much nuggets we should be buying for next season. They're young, talented and Hungary. Have you. There we go. But will that be enough to keep them in the top tier out west stick around to find out. We're doors Richard. To this place look haunted. Don't think. So what about those two creepy girls? Stay. Pass Truly frightening, you know it's fairly sandy missing a guy goes great service with GEICO. You get twenty four, seven access to licensed agents. Thank you creepy girls were to see our room. Sleep in the car now. Wheat Switch today for twenty, four, seven access to licensed agents. Welcome back to the JOE presented by Dell. Final star Wednesday night nine, o'clock eastern six Pacific on ABC deported and the. Jimmy Butler and the heat taken. Lebron. Anthony Davis in the Lakers game. One coverage sits with NBA countdown eight thirty. Am in that Promo to. Bam. Bam Welcome back to the jump I'm Rachel Nichols I'm still here with Richard Jefferson and look who has joined US NBA senior writer the Hall of Famer Jackie macmullan. Thank you so much for being with us today. A little chill Richard. Want to discuss the fourth quarter of the East finals with you because man the Celtics were fighting for their playoff lives and yet they were outscored by ten points after going to the fun free when they were only down by two going into the fourth quarter Khaki what happened to them? Well I think it's fair to call it a Miami meltdown I mean what you beat did was behind Bam's they came right at them and the Celtics panicked Rachel and Richard I I couldn't believe it as I was watching it they you know they started to a little bit they started. Brian up three pointers trying to get it all back at once that's something that a very inexperienced does I don't really consider the Celtics a young inexperienced team. So I think for the very long off season that they're going to have. They'RE GONNA go back at that fourth quarter and wish they played it differently especially on the offensive end. Now on the president of the Marcus Fan Stand Club, you know that Rachel Is, kid, from his rookie on in but? When Marcus Smart takes twenty two shots and Jaylen Brown only take seventeen and Kemba Walker, only takes fifty. Your game plan isn't the right game. Plan. Jackie I agree you know one thing I also want to look at that first quarter. You know you saw Jason Tatum get off to a slow start a lot of it, which is quick shots. There were not a lot of dribble penetration out to open shots. Come up one pass maybe one swing right guys we're teeing up now they got off to a slow start, but ultimately they picked it up. But in the fourth quarter, it kind of went back to that not a lot of ball movement one pass one shot they just kept speeding up kept speeding up and it just looked like they can never regain that rhythm and you WanNa give Miami Heat credit but ultimately, you look at the way that Boston was shooting some of these shots early in the shot clock it's almost like they were ten points down not like it was an even game and they just couldn't get that rhythm. Price I agree. They're young team in years in numbers, but they're not even experience rate. The core of this team was there in the conference finals a couple of years ago right? In fact for Boston this is their third conference finals loss in four years. Now on the bright side first of all, you've got to three conference finals. That's pretty good and is also, of course, improvement over the dysfunction of last season Even after the loss, we heard that the celtics themselves sounding pretty upbeat about the team speaker take a listen. Man. That's all you can ask for you. Guys compete at a really high level. I'm just proud of all these guys know it's been A. Year. I believe in his group you know. I think he will take. To get the job done. A lot of guys. got so much better disturbing throughout the season. Last season. So, just to see guys continue to grow get better. So. We had a really good young Greek talents agree. This only long do nothing but improve. You on this Richard was too distracted by Jesus. Do Cat to answer weird Celtics go from here. Do you thank you think that there's a roster issue that they have to address or do you think it's more mental just how they execute? Well. I think they need to get another big that I think is probably obvious to everyone but I'm not if I'm the Boston Celtics this I'm disappointed because I think if I'm the Celtics I should've tried to I should have won this series but going forward, all your pieces are in place you're gonNA sign Jason Tatum to that Max Contract Jaylen Brown still under contract you got Kimball for Awhile Gordon. Hayward. He's got a thirty two million dollar option I don't think it's a stretch. Of course, he's GonNa sign on for that. Pick up that he's GonNa take dead and you know Gordon Hayward. Is Important to this team and I'm sure he's disappointed in his performance in this game but I also think that he came back two weeks three weeks maybe even four weeks early from that ankle sprain because the team needed him he played obviously wasn't itself. He won't use that excuse I understand because once you're on the floor you gotta play but I think next year I'd be happy if I were the Boston Celtics, I like my roster I've got four drive up four first round draft three first round draft picks in. As usual as usual so I, you know they've got to learn from this so that the one thing about the heat I'll say this when you watch them when they were down I watched iggy and I'm watching Jimmy Butler and I've seen no panic I just see guys that have been there before that are like this is cool. We got this that kind of mental toughness I. Hope the Celtics these young guys can learn from that. That makes sense I mean you WanNa follow up with a roster question for you. Though to your point, we've known all year that the Celtics needed another big rate and they had the assets in terms of draft picks. But the feeling was that they would have to give up say Gordon Hayward or someone else that they really depend on the roster to make a trade like that. Do you see coming off either because contract years of now I'm going to flip over or other opportunities are GONNA be around? Is there a trade that you think that they could make an I'm not asking you to do double trades machine right now but do you feel generally they can do that I'm not sure they will Rachel because I still think they believe in the way they play, which is positioned as basketball and I think they believe you know you WanNa have some big bodies but I think the League as we see is trending different way and we talk about Bam out of bio is he troop vic? Is He really I mean my? He's So, much more than that to me. He's not traditional back to the basket post up guy he does he's a great passer he runs the floor. So I I'm not sure that the Celtics feel like, oh my gosh we gotta go out and get a five or we can't go anywhere. They play a certain style and I expect them to stick with that. All right I do WANNA move onto the Denver Nuggets as well. Since over the weekend they did lose in the Western Conference finals doesn't take away from what a great run they had here in the bubble. They became the only team ever to come down from three one deficits in a series twice in a single postseason Jamal Murray just elevated his game to new heights and if You take a look at the West standings from this season at minimum, these will be the teams that the negative to worry about next year right. So look who's above them. Lakers. Still going to be a threat clippers still be a threat right and the warriors are going to get steph curry and Klay Thompson back healthy. So they also the number two pick in the draft Richard. Are you buying in the nuggets for next season? Well, I'M GONNA go I'm buying a ton of stock especially when the nuggets with that number two pick in the draft I, they have the option to go get a very, very good big. In wiseman Vega. Saying, when you look at what the nuggets are plan, how they are playing in what they need to do to kind of keep in this momentum, they just need to continue to develop talent they need to develop you know Yoga's Jamal Murray, and these guys are going to have to prove it is one thing to go and win here in the bubble quote unquote on a game seven on the road. Now, you've got to go do that when there's twenty, five thousand people screaming at you and you're. Forced to travel. So I think they were one of the teams that really benefited from the no homecourt advantage, and so I don't think they need to change anything they're getting better. Every single year lasts two years ago. They didn't make the postseason last year they were one game away from the conference finals and here they were actually able to win a game in the conference finals. So if you're looking at the transition in the growth of their team, they have all the pieces that continue down this road. A Rachel, I'm bullish on the nuggets th Richard you mentioned playing against opposing fans with the little I. Know of Jamal Murray that it's not gonNA phase in one he's the kind of guy. Off that I don't think we've seen anywhere near the ceiling of Jamal Mari. I don't think we've ceiling the ceiling of Yokich and I know we haven't seen the ceiling of Michael Puerto Junior who would you see all the potential? There got some defense to work on don't all young players but what I love about it They've got assigned Jeremy Print. That's for sure beyond that. They've got a bunch of homegrown guys that have been together for a long time to believe in each other. They got a great coach Mike Malone. They obviously respond to hand. I'm not counting the nuggets out next year do it at your own peril? And one thing that I will also say is you look in what Pat Riley did and he went out and got veterans that have been through this fight you go and get Jae crowder go and get Andrea Gwendal and look at the first half that Andre Iguodala had look at the game that he had and the most important game of the year because if you get to game seven, now the pressure flips to Miami the most. Important game for the Miami Heat Andrea dollar comes up big yes. You need signed Jeremy Grant view of the Denver Nuggets I. Don't know what they're gonNA do with Paul Millsap but they need to find one or two more veterans can kind of mix in with those young players give them a calm give them some guidance and maybe even show up in a moment that you wouldn't expect them because they've been there before we will see. Chess Match I. Love after what we had five years where the NBA seem like we knew what the ending was going to be now wasn't always exactly what we thought, but we had a good feeling of, Hey, the warriors this mighty super team I feel like now we're entering into this great period nobody I think would have expected the my island say nobody Jimmy Butler expected the Miami Heat to be in the final it certainly wasn't predicted and you've got now in the West we're talking about next year you got the Nuggets Lakers clippers it's GonNa be it's to be the Lakers. For the ninety seven, thousand time in the East you've got the bucks. You've got the nets making their entrance to the Party when when Kyrie K. D. Bag richest got you've got so many different things going on in this league right now I think it is so much fun. All right stick with us. Please up next we will discuss where this final trip with the Lakers ranks four Lebron James given that he's making his tenth appearance. There is a lot of competition we won't break them keep it locked to the gym. The. Jump is presented by the new X. P. S. thirteen. Every little thing is everything. It all comes down to the is a winner. Go home game five with a spot in the finals against the storm on the line the sun take on league MVP agent Wilson the aces. That's Tuesday tomorrow seven, thirty, eastern ESPN two and ESPN. APP. Macho is wide enough to carry a lot of. but my mind is strong. Always keep my mind strong and I'm happy to be in this position I. Don't know if I've I've ever witnessed guy takeover a game. The way he did in the fourth quarter tonight. In person in no, it's just a it was remarkable. Guide mammy SOM-. Again, we have to remind people he has forget. The greatest player. Goddamn world when the step back and look and marvel, Lebron is doing at this stage of his career. How he continues to find ways to improve and get better and take whatever team he's on to new. Heights. In that that that defines his greatness. Did it my with? Brian has done it his way into nine of the last ten NBA finals I keep saying that but it's so ridiculous. Last year's injury-plagued debut in Los Angeles was of course, the lone exception he has ten total final trips in seventeen years for his career only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have made more with twelve and eleven respectively. Given all of his different trips to the finals where does this one rank for Lebron? James. And just in knowing him personally. I asked him I was like, what was what was the most impressive championship for you and he said his first one in Miami, right because they got the winning. The championship I know we're talking about is finals appearances but for him, his brain doesn't register that way. His brain only registers in wins. He is happy to be here. He's expecting to be here will to me it's all about if they can get it done and they can win. That's what most important to him and he says most. Of all the championship, the first one because he finally felt like he accomplishes goal. That's an interesting answer on surprised I would have guessed down three, one in two, thousand, sixteen, rich Richard, you know a little bit about because you were there. That was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen but the reason this one is pretty cool to just all the circumstances surrounding it. You look at the bubble and the mental tenacity it takes to survive it because we hear more and more now teams are leaving the bubble and players back home again, how difficult it is what grind is what? Concentration that requires and clearly that's not an issue, Lebron James or for the Lakers as it turns out. So I'm sure this is a special one because everyone is special and he's going to be wearing the LAKER's uniform. If in fact they do it. But if you what's greatest one of all for Lebron James, I go back to two thousand sixteen when when you're down to three one against a team that won seventy three wins nobody thought they were GONNA lose that was one of the amazing things I've ever seen. That's my leader in the clubhouse to although, of course, the reason it is is because what happened in those final? So we don't know what happens in this final. So we will get a revote we'll get a recount after the series ends and Richard I appreciate it. This is the first time in the almost twenty years I've known you that you've been modest and not picked yourself. So I really. This segment segment goes any longer. Don't worry figure way to figure. It in way to get there I. DO think when you look at the ingredients for this run in this finals, you have the fact that he is at the is in his seventeenth season Jackie you mentioned the mental toughness we said that a lot going into the bubble of Oh it's going to be a case game of survivor, but that's really what happened. If you look especially the final four teams that ended up here, the mental tenacity that they had became such a key part of all. Of their runs. So we've seen that as well and then yeah, I mean look the Lakers have been very open about the fact that they are dedicating this to Kobe's memory and trying to represent him in. They're wearing special uniforms that have the black. Mamba print on them and his first year in L. A. With all of the drama that came with. So I think it's going to be a very, very interesting run on. So excited start Wednesday night right here. ABC, and ESPN will be back tomorrow. Long I. Think he stole I found on the arrogance curse and. It's is are just very lifelike. 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Mason and Ireland (HR 1)

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland (HR 1)

"All right. It's tense. It's tense here. Because George shadow predicted yesterday on the show that there would be a thousand angry Lakers. This street predicted two thousand dot always the new Louis Farrakhan, there was a million men in that street. And and right now, the rally it's high noon, Steve, yes, the anger the suspense is Greg Bergman heading down to the rally. Greg. Do you have kevlar? Yeah, they've closed off. Did you notice they actually closed off LA live that they anticipation of George tomatoes? Put a thousand people in the street March and Mason, I just walked in. We have a unique vantage point. Yes. Because as you look from the second floor studios of ESPN LA, we have a giant conference room with windows. Glad to the street. That's where we watch the Michael Jackson funeral from its where we've watched political convention from the negative Kobe's last game. The streets were packed the nip Mazel funeral recently Mace. I counted. Yep. That's a bad sign that you could count nineteen. Yes, I nineteen people at the fan rally and J Corrales said that's about eighteen more than I thought. Right. By the way, I think you're rounding up to I took your rounding up in by the way, there are people in maybe Sodano will be one of that will say it. It doesn't matter. They got TV cameras. There are as many TV down there as there are people. Right right now, there are there's like three TV trucks and eleven people. There's there's okay one exclusive guest for each each TV network. Yes. And in all seriousness. This is what I wanted to point out yesterday. This does not mean in any way, shape or form that Laker fans are angry. They are but this half baked idea of starting a protest on read it and yesterday one of the guys. It's called in. Yes. We had one of the guys I said, what are you protesting, and he's talked for like a minute and thirty seconds. And I have no idea what he said. Right. I actually said to the guy before we hang up. Hey, give yourself a thirty second answer, then answers this question. What do you want? Look, they they did have. I mean, if you go to the they had sort of a plan laid out the fact is that had been to their plans Friday afternoon, twelve o'clock, noon, it is raining and raining. It is raining. Drove it in the rain. You what I'm not? I didn't even read the entire time. I drove in on the ten my windshield. Wipers went the entire time. Hang on a second. We go live now to the scene of the rally. Greg. Are you are you? Okay. Are you? Okay. It's very difficult to walk through. The people that are here. Tens of people. Greg. A rough a rough s people a rough estimate on how many georgia-nato promised a thousand dollars. He said thousand thousand angry fans would be in the streets health out close was his prediction. Let's see I'm gonna count. It's at once you three four five six seven eight nine ten about about fifteen. They got about maybe thirty people. Well, it's incurred. No, no. There's a little there's a little corner here. So we're fifty there's chant getting out here. What's the chat? Let's put it up for you. Fire Rambo fire ran Rambus, which which Rambus an adage ram by. It's ready explained to them that it's ram by. Okay. So let's talk to the middle of the thirty people. Oh, here we go. We've got five more coming in Lakers jerseys. Couple. Nine right. All right. With. Let's talk to somebody with a sign. All right. Hey. Hey coups. Hey, cruise me cruise jersey. All right. That's good. Hey, guys. Hey. Great having difficulties burger. Ireland with your name, Ronnie. Hey, hey, running talk to Mason island right now going on. Hey, Ronnie here. Says what are you? What are you protesting? We want to. We're losing come on. What do you want? What are your demands running? I mean, whatever it can happen. Like, whatever happen. I'm curious. Ronnie what how did you find out about this protest? I mean, I've been a liquor band. So so long and I mean, I have a tattoo. Yeah. I by the way, I don't wanna I don't want to necessarily demean the people who are out there who are obviously passionate. He's got a Lakers tattoo. I mean, he's in this thing. No. I appreciate passionate pen here. Here we go. I e even if we could change bronze to it. We just want rave LeBron. Lebron is one of the demands are made whatever happens. I mean, how how you gonna get a coach and a couple of months, and then work what LeBron's nobody could work with the brand. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Ronnie. This is exactly by the way. What I predict it is. It is people come on. We're done with you now. But then. Ronnie the you don't slapdash around. And by the way, I'm not even sure that's the term. I don't know if that's an actual word. But slapdash sounds like something you just read it. Hey, we're having a rally tomorrow, and and do a phone call to five seventy and a bunch of people are gonna show up. That's just not the way a rolls rallies. Take a long time to plan and protests take a long time to plan and you need to tap into an incredibly emotional subject. And you gotta give people time to prepare. And this just wasn't any and by the way. So the LA times the LA times sports Twitter feed, which surprisingly has fewer Twitter followers than you. And I individually. Wow, just says a fire Rambus chant has broken out. And they have a video of ten people. Yelling fire Rambus? There are more people having lunch at one cable at Tom's urban. If. You want to cross the street, you will see more. Now again, I think it would be misleading. If we tied the rally to how angry people are because thing most fans are genuinely angry. Yes. But this rally despite what Sodano was so it was never going to work. Here's a thing. Isn't this? The kind of thing that backfires in other words, if if genie bus, and rob Pelinka and the ram by our all dug in and they know they've got all the right answers. And they're doing the right things and eleven online right in their own mind. Eleven people show up to protest doesn't that in some way, allow them to say see it's not that big a deal after all? Yeah. I'm really that upset I hope not. That's why this this rally bad idea from the start. And I do believe that the that the rank and file Laker fan the ones that and a lot of them that hang on. He says he's got a really. Angry guide. You wanna go to the really angry guy? He's not online. Yeah. Go ahead and call Greg. Go ahead and call it the really angry guy, the rank and file angry fan is is definitely really upset. But they're not showing up at a rally on a Friday on a work day work day, noon at noon it where you have to go through three heavily crowded freeways to get here. Right. So. Yeah, Greg Greg O callback there. There are people there, and I don't want to demean the people that are there. But this was a bad idea from the jump. It was. It as a crazy place. And this was the crazy fringe that showed up for this. Right. Well, social media is actually a great place to start a movement jour- because every into it from the privacy of their own home. But asking the minute these guys said nano, and you and they're having another one Saturday and Elsa guy. Saw they're doing one Saturday. The same thing's going to happen. It. You can't ask people to physical. Now. People are sending me pictures. Of the of that's cruel of the ten people wanted to say what that is. That's cruel. I think hanging someone or something and effigy. No. It's not that. Okay. They're they're complaining about Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd hasn't been hired yet. No. But I think as far as people and by the way. Okay. So here's here's the problem. There is so much information so much misinformation so much disinformation so much faulty information out there, and this is another day where I'm completely in favor of taking phone calls. John. Seven seven ten ESPN, Janice humanity. So the Janice Greg out in in the middle of the angry mob. He he may not make it back safely. But. This does not diminish. The fact that the Lakers still need a plan yet. And we're all kind of wondering what it is. Right. We don't know what it is. We know. Now that there they interviewed Frank Vogel as a possible head coach, we know that now they're asking to interview Jay Bickerstaff as a head coach by date. I don't know if the Laker job is right for him. But he is a great guy. See and to me I look at him. He's just he was on. I'm sure he's a great guy. But he was on Kurt staff. And that's why he wants to hire. I don't remember. Well, does a nine through two thousand eleven I looked at up today. But most recently he's been a head while he was a head coach he was an in both Houston in mem-. He was interim coach in Houston, and then Gilmore about gear likes, then an interim coach in Memphis and ended up staying for one additional year in Memphis as the permanent head coach. So, but I mean record there the Lakers. Shakai of circling back around Tyler who I don't think they're gonna win this press conference. Like, I don't I think the smartest thing for them to do is to just wait because they're not do what they did the Byron year, wait till after summer league dire coat. They are not gonna win this press conference, you if you bring out J B Bickerstaff right now, it is not good for Jay Bickerstaff. If you bring out Frank Vogel right now, it is not good for Frank Vogel. You are going to start out in terms of confidence at a very very low level. And and this is this is a bad time to introduce a new head coach does that make sense. It does it's just it's just you're going to lose that day. Ability the coat if they bring a new coach out, and rob is sitting next to him. The first questions are all going around right now. They're all going to rob all going to rob. Yeah. They may actually. Put that coach out there without rob. Because if they put rob next to him, there's ten questions all go into Rupp. It's almost past the point where you can do damage control the damage is so great you can't repair it anymore. You need to put an again, I'll say this could all be fixed. That's the weirdest thing. It is salvageable it. It could be fixed. All right. We'll get some of your phone calls in do we have Greg back is Greg got his angry fans. He's working on him back. And then and then Janus is answering the phones we got a bunch of people online. Yeah. Okay. We got Greg. Let's go to Greg real quick. While the while the anger is still there. Greg. What is the latest? I have Chris down here. He's been very outspoken down here at the rally good out here to give you the Chris. Chris. Hey, Chris what? Hi, Chris what? Specifically, would you like to see happen? Fix that. I have in mind representing the Lakers as a franchise, we're the greatest franchising, we are in the greatest city in the world. We got the best player in basketball. We just failed to attract high Lou a mediocre head coach whose only qualification is tied to a guy that has on our rock that is setting leaks coming out everybody's talking about it. The entire league is dragging them out of laughing at us. That's the kind of stuff that doesn't happen to Lakers stuff happens to the Knicks. And right now, we're on our way to becoming Knicks west, and it's very so what would you like to see happen? I think the fact that Pelinka didn't fellow magic out of the door is problem. Number one. We failed right there. Everything that we've done since then has been a problem as well death. One get rid of rob Pelinka that to conduct a real search for President Obama ball operations qualified individuals. Do they work for the Lakers who cared make sure that they're smart? They're good at what they do. And they're going to do the job properly drop link is literally the guy because every single thing that I read from players only and league from anonymous sources from general managers all of them are talking about a piece this guy, then that's crazy, man. He represents us right now. You should be the spokesperson for the protest because I I completely agree with everything you just said. Chris how we get an organized protests going with the actual seeker and all that kind of stuff. I really feel like most Lakers fans that follow the team and have been Laker fans. Our whole wise feel the same way that I do. All right. Thank you. Chris picketers all right down there. All right. We'll take more you're coming up to quite eight seven seven seven ten ESPN two protests day. ESPN LA. All right. So I think we can put the the rally across the street to bed. If you are upset and angry about the way the Lakers are being run right now. This actually is the kind of thing that can backfire. This is the kind of thing that if I predicted it yesterday, any boss, Kurt Rambis, Linda Rambus, rob Pelinka. There was a lot of anticipation for this. Oh, there's going to be a protest rally. Oh, people are going to take to the streets. Now, they're look they can look at it and say, well, see, maybe we're not doing so bad after all well. And by the way, this is how the news media works. Ev you know, like you you saw sportscenter tweeted out fans planning to rally at Staples Center Donohoe saying there's going to be a thousand people, but I wanna point up that we as a station just to be clear, we as a station did not promote this rally. We were not behind this rally this rally originated on read it. And then other news media picked it up as you said sport. Senator did tweet it up. But I in no way did anybody here at the station get behind and support this rallied. Here's what is a little in. This goes back to your original point. I honestly believe the Lakers. And I think this last month of coverage has proved this don't care what the media thinks they don't. But they do care what the fans thing. Yes. And if only eleven fan show up for a protest that's an and Greg you say tops, the Greg's back and he's thank God safe. Are you? All right, run run. I'm out of breath because you said tens of people fifty to sixty tops. That's probably a highest depends of people fifty fifty sixty tops with the average age around twenty five years old if not younger. And by the way, there's nothing that many of those fans can't afford to go inside the building when the Lakers play. So this is their way of venting, and I applaud them for carrying and for their passion. But the problem is the news media are lemmings. They there's there's probably how many TV cameras are down there. There was five stations. Yeah. I mean, they're all going to cover it. And they're going to say, nobody showed up, right? They're gonna say nobody showed up and say look at this was an embarrassing showing people. Maybe people don't care magazines was a big online Twitter magazine says that they have a picture and the ones that the guy that they chose was the one that was with the steps to fix the Lakers of oncein liangelo ball to drop lamelo ball, three higher, lavar ball. So I mean, it's kind of silly. What the what they're actually doing down? There. Lavar has been. Unusually quiet. We all thought that when magic was in. The reason is being quiet because he didn't want magic to trick. Lonzo. But now the Magic's on I wonder what is it wide? Lavar hasn't said more maybe will come up. That that he sort of lost his role is I mean, I guess people will cover him. But I think that people particularly with what happened in the devolution. Oh, that's interesting where do use the devolution of the big baller brand. I think he's lost some some credibility. His town. Crier capabilities have been limited to some degree. And I think right now, the focus is on and should be on the Lakers leadership such as it is. Yeah. That's a good way. Putting that here's Mark in Glendale. Hey, Mark, you're on ESPN LA high. Hi, good afternoon. Guys. I'm serious more than anything. I want Jeanie Buss to retake the narrative if nothing else she's leading like, John you always say this. She's letting the conversation speak for her, and it's destroying reputation in the city, but more specifically, the abruptness of Magic's departure should have been everything, and that should have been robbed last straw and go not going after about Meyers or some major heavy hitter is like mcmenamin said their derelict in their duties, there's a billion dollar entity not a family business run it like one. Good call. Thank you. Couldn't said it better myself. I'd like to commit to everything that guy just said, and by the end, by the way, I mean, what what was most telling Magic's departure press conference was his lack of endorsement in any way for rob Pelinka Najib was not in the rob business. And okay. And he was given a chance multiple chances to say. Yep. You know, stick with rob on the right track. No, nothing like that. Did you hear Richard Jefferson on with Sodano yesterday? There's so much to listen to I don't know that I heard the particular thing that you're going to tell me he basically says the first thing that needs to happen to fix the Lakers. Rob Pelinka has got to go. And then he said it again gotta go. And this is a guy who played with LeBron played four Tyler new and is one of Luke Walton best friends, so he's not coming from an unbiased view. But here's the thing. Let's say rob is your guy. Let's say for whatever reason genie and Kurt and Linda have decided to put their trust in. Rob. Nobody's even said that you know, every narrative about rob is bat, right? It's guys like, Richard Jefferson. It's guys like that caller just said every bit of reporting that is out there about Rob's bed. If he's your guy not only did magic not stand up for them. No one has stood up. No, no, not one person. And he is at least for the current moment. Your top ranking basketball executive. So you would think they genie's not just taking bath. You know, that that will ask caller said her reputation is being dragged through the mud. It says something that they're so mad at rob. And don't take him seriously that they target Jeanie. Right. You know, and the wish I really wish the Lakers would say something about something. I don't know what they can say. No, I think it may be too late for them to say anything. This thing has completely spun off the planet. Like I like last week. We did the pretend press conference when I was introducing Tyler Lewis had. I don't think I could come up with clever dismissive answers the way I did last week. It's become right impasse. Now, the questions get harder gras. Why would you offer a championship coach like Tyler three year? What exactly qualifies Linda Rambus to be involved in this? Why how did Kurt Rambis gained so much sway who it's been reported that there was a division amongst the the voices that are running the team right now some were Protais who somewhere pro Monty. How does that all breakdown? I mean there are like because even though they're not speaking. There is good information out there. Like, there are really good reporters that are working this story. They just had a tease on the jump. Yup. Coming up live coverage of the Laker protest with shot of the ten people milling around. That that's brutal. Somebody who loves the Lakers obviously worked for him and wants the best form and his longtime fan of genie. I want him to get in there and fight. And they're not why want her to get in there and fight. It is on her. It is on genie. Do you disagree with that? Why is the the owner of the team? Right. And I think all the doctor bus was in. Well, and that goes back to the point about nobody saying anything since the day. Magic step down. Everybody has gone, right? Pass plame, rob. They don't take him seriously. No. It's the person that gave around the power cow. Not see it and the bullseyes role on genie, which I hate. But. Yeah. But it's reality. All right. We'll get some more of your phone calls in. There. Also is a we will touch on game six tonight of the semi Western Conference semifinals rockets and warriors down in Houston. Mason and Ireland ESPN LA. I. So Brian Windhorst? Where's this from JJ? Remember? Is it from the jump boards from sportscenter from the hoop collective, okay? So it's from the hoop collective podcast which must adjust dropped because I looked for this morning. It wasn't there yet. Here's Brian Windhorst. A little bit untie lose a pretty big air here made by the Lakers in that. They saw him as just LeBron's coach. That was reflective in. Maybe the way they went about the process. It was reflective in their contract offer. Again, it wasn't so much the the dollars. But it was the fact of the only offered a three year contract. And again, it was much that it wasn't the term. It was that we only see you as the guy who can coach the broad and in Tyler is a very proud man who one of the things that really irritates him is that he hasn't gotten the proper credit for what he did with that team. And that dean at one of the things that you if you want to make Tyler who's very mild mannered, you wanna make him set you can imply that he somehow. Was not doing masterful execution or somehow rode the coattails of some talented players to a championship. Yeah. I mean, he took a very combustible group and got them through game seven of the NBA finals and beat the world champions seventy three win team. Exactly. And they they treated him like a guy who has none of that experience. You're just LeBron's caddy. Basically, we'll give you as many years as LeBron has here's Brian win horse continuing on Jason Kidd. Well, I mean, I don't want to pull the curtain back too much. But I have spent considerable time talking to Jason Kidd about the Lakers job. Something then I can't say that. I know exactly what he said to them in his interview. But I have a general idea of what his vision for the team was, and I think one of the things that Jason really believed in was developing their young players. He, you know, again, at least, you know, at violate too much of a confidence here. But you know, when we spoke about it. I really do think he was a big believer in Lonzo ball. He thinks Lonzo ball can be a can really be good player in that. He wants to help develop them. I would have assumed I don't know how link is thinking I would assume that would have been music to Rupp Lincoln's ears because Pelinka was one of the guys who drafted Lonzo ball drafted ahead of Jason Tatum drafted ahead of dean, FOX. So obviously, Jason Kidd is the player that is most often compared to Lonzo ball. Which I think is probably part of the appeal Jason Kidd coached four years Milwaukee. His best record was forty two and forty he made the playoffs twice. There's nothing particularly dazzling on his coaching resume at this point. And again doesn't mean doesn't mean he can't be successful. But you don't win the press conference with Jason kit. You just don't you can't is is the press conference winnable at this point with anyone other than title. Who does I guess it would be another way asking that? Yeah. I'm win the press conference. I'm not sure you have a press conference with the the coach that they didn't with LeBron. Yeah. I just waited till media there, by the way, there is no there's no reliant that says you have to the coaches required to talk. Well, like, for example, if they hire Lionel Hollins line hones is direct and his gruff as anyone so any of the questions that you would have about ownership Lionel Hollins literally would tell you off. Right. He would just say it's not my job. While by the few said, why speaking for the Lakers? I don't know why you're asking me that get lost. Right. You know? Yeah. I mean, here's the thing that whoever gets named the head coach now is. And major face of the franchise next to run it is at best the third choice. And by the time, they set foot on a stage to take questions they will be shredded. They will have already been shredded. That's the mood. That's the antagonism out there over the process that the Lakers have gone through here. He is on. Possibly kyri joining witches, which is for whatever reason a getting louder on social media. It is getting lot of the possibility of that. Here's Bryant play. I asked him point blank this very question. I think I told you this. I shared this with you. Okay. Hang on just to reset. This is hall of Famer Jackie MacMullan play. I asked him point blank this very question. I think I told you this. I shared this with you. And I said, you know, what everybody's saying hiree they're saying now, you're gonna go about LeBron. And he looked at me. And he laughed. I said is that a yes or no any laughed again? And he put his arm around me any any left. Conspiracy theorist. I mean that doesn't even sound like a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory. That sounds like it's happening. That sounds like a, Yep. You're right. But I can't say Mason, you actually, can you report it that tight was the next Laker coach based on a birthday cake. How can you hear that story? Not not report that happening that is Jackie MacMullan. I mean that is Jackie MacMullan. That's. To me that is the best piece of sound. We've played long time. But it doesn't mean anything. No, it doesn't mean anything. But it doesn't mean anything. I'm look I'm I'm looking for. Well, the Bill will the best part about some could be careful here. Somebody like that is that you don't have to give up any assets to get. Oh, you just sign them. You just fine him as a free agent here today. Man, you you keep Ingram. You keep Lonzo you keep coups and he's done show with yard layers. Doesn't matter. Because bronze going to be the whoever they bring in. You know, I've heard this about Jimmy Butler. They can't bring in Jim tell you what's tough on young guys. If I was a Sixers, I would not let any Butler out of that. I I don't think the Sixers are letting Jimmy Butler go after watching this series. And after watching the way he chose around with Joel Embiid. I don't think there's any way I mean Tobias Harris, thanks for playing. If we're keeping one of you guys. It's Jimmy baller Jimmy Butler. They that series is over without Jimmy Butler. Yeah, they're they're not alive to play another day game seven if there's no Jimmy Butler. I we got more coming up Mason in Ireland ESPN ESPN LA Mason Ireland. I just you know, what there's a Ray of sunshine. Rahab sunshine. John and it comes. From Jackie MacMullan and looked at me. And he laughed. I said is that a yes or no any laughed again? And he put his arm around me any any left. Now. Are you gonna fall for this twice? You already fell for the birthday cake. Come on come on, man. You know, what it means nothing? We always say that you guaranteed Laker fans. Tyler would be the coach after you saw that birthday cake. Are you now going to guarantee this? I was the only one for Catholic cake. Nothing was done. It's a cake. Nothing was done. But you would assume. Well, there were certainly in serious talks. Right. Of course, anti Lou clearly thought they would be able to reach a deal so much so Lakers on the side of whoever was in his family did, but we now return to. What's our old boss used to say? Mike Thompson as hope and fear hope in fear life is filled with hope, and it is filled with fear lately. It's a letter you describe what's going on across the street that is. Fear a tear combination of open fair here. They're they're afraid. They're afraid there's a small gathering. Small gathering of of angry Laker fans across the street at Staples Center. There was a red it rally. Everybody got together on read it, and you know, crazy things happen to read. It happens. All the time, John probably you. And I'm marking the whole thing. We're probably getting shredded on read it. Yeah. There's a whole world on it that only Greg Berkman knows because it's where he steals his legal satellite. Now. You'll nothing read it is where crazy stuff comes from a lot of a lot of news comes out on read before it comes out mainstream. And then a lot of stuff. That's not real news comes out on read it and gets treated as real news. And then it turns out to be not real, right? Well, that's why you don't really believe what you see on read it. But then sometimes it does come true. But this rally was organized on Reddit. I looked at the page. And in fact, there was a hitlist of out just tell the story now there was a hit list of people when they were organizing this rally that they wanted to get on their side. Well, I the list to not work. The list included me, they didn't win you over. Problem. I stood back on this one. I thought it was a bridge too far. And clearly it's really far away. One more piece. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna throw an idea at you. This is I'm not sure if this is either Brian Windhorst or Jackie MacMullan a little bit more on kyri. Lebron? All right, so dead bolted doors open crack, if we're talking about a press conference. If you announce Jason Kidd and Kyrie is sitting next to him. To the fans get excited about that. Of course, they go. Maybe that's what they're saying. Oh, that's right. So that may be their best. Okay. So I could tell story that you probably remember. The Padres when Mason this show Mason in Ireland started many moons ago in San Diego and one San Diego had had a good young team that was loaded. They had Gary Sheffield and Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez, and they they had good pitching. Remember, they had Andy Bennett's and Bruce Hurst and they were team that could compete for title. And the owners ironically, one led by Tom Werner who now runs the Red Sox and his lead the Red Sox to three World Series titles. Tom decided to have a blatant fire sale. Literally got read of everybody. Yup. Her Sheffield McGriff Venice, like anybody with a modicum of talent that was making any money at all with shipped out and. All of a sudden they had opening day coming up the next season. Yup. And the city was furious. The city's like you know, like they are now but the Lakers and they traditionally in San Diego on opening day announce the starters one by one they run out to their position win runs out to right field. Right, right. Whoever the hell they got to play centerfield ran out centerfield. Right. And remember went nobody knew any of these names as we're all fire sale, literally. So I was sitting there thinking how in the world are are all these poor guys are going to get booed to no end there. Nobody's heard of him. They're replacing all these great players. All of a sudden. The PA announcer comes on he says and keep them in the chargers had just gone to the Super Bowl. Right. The chargers could do no wrong in that. It was ninety four ninety five. We wanted was the ninety four Super Bowl. And it was the start of the ninety five baseball seats, right? The I was I was in high school. And the peons are comes on. He goes, ladies and gentlemen, starting in left field for the Padres. Phil plan tear accompanied by junior, and they read they literally got eight chargers to run out with it was brilliant. So they became unbelievable. If you put Kyrie next to Jason Kidd right in that podium, it becomes unbeatable. And maybe then by the way, maybe then you could put rob on the days. No, you could. Hey, hey, let's just get something straight here. If they are able to sign. Kyri Irving, I will happily gleefully over the moon. Be happy to say I was wrong. And by the way, I mean, they'll Laker young everybody have been wrong if that happens, the Laker young players, then none of them get double teamed anymore because I have to double either LeBron or kyri so lonzo's free to create coups is going to be guarded one on one so is Ingram. So you could theoretically at the end of a game think about this have kyri Ingram. Yup. Coups mma. Yup. Lebron? And if you want Lonzo right if you wanna take Lonzo because he's not a good free throw sheer, you can put in heart. Yup. All of a sudden, you're right back where you want to be show is that mean that potentially is this like the the secret plan? I don't know if I heard would say this morning. He thinks that's a playoff team though. He thinks oh God. Yes. He thinks a lot of these guys do have their minds made up. I agree with him that they've they've already. Fan price when we were doing the live show, you said those conversations can have taken place that's tampering. Well, but those conversations amongst players and agents talked to other agents. All right. And in all of a sudden, you there's a go between like, for example, if you and I were going to leave here and go to five seventy okay, we contractually you're not supposed to talk to five seventy. But there could be other people talking when Marcellus left here he was talking to other people. And while we don't know what is contractual if he was I talked to him open window, Matt. Yeah. Yeah. He he was like he didn't know what was going to happen. But he personally wasn't having any conversation than anybody yet people doing it for him. And so I think that going back to your regional point. I think most of these guys do know where they're going to go. Now the couple of exceptions. I think Toronto won the title would be a hard decision for quieter Lido. But I think rant already knows what he's doing you. I do I do. And I've on I by the way, and I think well now Durant and Kyrie this this Drennan kyri to New York thing. Seeing that feels like it could be real. There's so much smoke about that one. All right. But but those guys are allowed to talk to each other. Lebron is allowed to fly to Philly to talk to Kurai and you've got to remember. So if you're if you're the lake if kyri and Durant go to the Knicks, maybe that opens the door for Jimmy Butler, you know, because it, and, you know, for example, like if they if they give Klay a five-year max, Golden State, he's signing any staying, right? If they don't of sudden he's in play. All of a sudden Kimba becomes a possibility. You know? So there that's why it's a puzzle. You've gotta move all those pieces around, and you don't know where the Lakers are positioning themselves. But that Jackie MacMullan clip is telling. Yeah worth it's weight and goal. Yes. That's great. All right. So there's a little hope for people there. Pope, there's another name people are suggesting here, and I've heard it's not going to happen. But I wonder with all the drama. And all the weird stuff and the Tyler thing fallen apart. If this name doesn't rise into the top five to who it is next Mason in Ireland ESPN LA.

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"We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach. Ibm helps banks personalized experiences with watson. Well helping keep data secure. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud. Welcome back to the jump. i'm rachel nichols joined by nba hendrick perkins and our senior writer. The hall of famer. Jackie macmullan welcome friends coming up or you're talking about kyrie. Irving he says the nets look quote very average after the loss to the pistons last night. What is the biggest reason for their three game losing streak we will get into that but i there are a lot of great rivalries in basketball but i would put what went on between the heat and the knicks in the late nineties up against any of them. The bad blood started when pat riley left new york to go run things in miami. A move that led to tapering charges and a million dollar heat. Pay up and then. All of that escalated as the teams met in the playoffs. Four consecutive years. We got sites. We got trash talk. We got tabloid exploits we got game winning buzzer beaters and yes more fights. Pj brown flipping. Charlie ward over his head. Yeah yeah remember that that turned into a thing there right and then of course the following year. The jeff van gundy special personally. I don't think lonzo warnings leg ever stood a chance. Jeff you had that one. Yeah really of course these days. They knicks game doesn't have quite the same kind of fire. The two organizations have followed such different paths the past couple of decades. You can't even really call it a rivalry anymore. And yet there is definitely a little crackle in the air when the teams met last night stakes on both sides feeling just a little higher than they did even just a few days ago over on the new york bench. It was derrick. Rose's first game since being traded back to the knicks and move that not only reunited him with the franchise but thompson who has had rose on. Yep every single. Nba team has ever coached. And last night rose pay that faith off immediately. Ten points and three assists in just the first half looked comfortable in the next second unit alongside band favorite emmanuel quickly meanwhile on the other side of the court the heat saw this is a key opportunity to continue their climb. Back into playoff contention. It has been an extremely rocky start to the season for the last year's eastern conference champions who have struggled to put a full roster on the floor and last night. We're still missing. Goran dragic an avery bradley. Miami has used sixteen different lineups in twenty four games. It is hard to build much continuity that way and they still look shaky at times against new york as both teams went on lopsided runs and boy were the on off numbers with jimmy butler something to see with butler on the court. The heat outscored the knicks by twenty five points with butler off the court. New york outscored miami by twenty three. Good thing for the heat bend. That butler was there for the closing stretch. That i saw miami come from behind and then turned into of all things. An old school dual mark by physical defense and high pressure. Trips to the line here was heat. Coach erik spoelstra describing it. This was more of a throwback miami heat new york knicks games from the nineties There weren't a lot of open shots at a in the last fourteen. Sixteen minutes of the game And you know it was just going you're going to have to grind out and In many ways to it. You know when you weren't scoring so free throws were were like golden in this game And the defensive stops down stretcher for inspiring inspiring. now let's be clear. Things did not reach alonzo. Mourning patrick ewing level physically out there last night. In fact the closest thing to a flagrant foul turned out to be more of a spoof. Check out this tussle under the basket bodies crashing to the floor and jimmy butler stays down holding his head except he can't help himself as he takes out with a little smile to see if the cell job is working studied. Mark wahlberg how. He acts so incredibly. Well gonna taking a few pointers first of all if jimmy was really injured. He's not he. he Jimmy's or the engineer by. No he's trying to get up and trying to walk it up so the fact that he was down there for so long just being jimmy things. Like one of the course of the game along the mood. You know everybody gets a break. A mental break from sears. Select thirty seconds and we brought back in. Look at that smile as he backup. Butler would not get the flagrant call. But he made one of his free throws to give miami a two point lead with six seconds to play and we'll rj barrett actually had a pretty digest to send this game to overtime just could not put the ball in the hoop another heat knicks game in the books and no. It's not really a rivalry again yet. But sure is something fun. And in twenty twenty one. That's enough perk three in a row now for miami do you think they will rebound from the slow absolutely rachel and the thing that the miami has they have culture okay they have the identity and they identity gonna put their heart hats on every single night hanging they had on the defensive and then going to get good ball player movement and long as they have two all stars and jimmy butler and bam. Rabbi you yes. Out of the by stuff is just you have those two all stars on the floor. I think the heat great hands. They have a great coach and exposure and then going to continue to fight. They have great leadership in the locker room on the bench. And you don. This has long. Who's the captain. I have no worries about the miami heat. I feel like they will be in the thick of things called postseason on so i would wish that rebound the ball a little better though perk. I think you would agree. I think they're dead last and rebounds per game right now and that is a measure of toughness so maybe that'll straighten itself out. So many loss bodies covid protocols all of these things. Rachel and you know if you looked at last year in the bubble the teen thought was going to have the hardest time coming back from that short break. It had to be this team because of the heavy heavy minutes that band played in the jimmy played and heroin dunkin to a certain extent so if there was one team that you would point to that say hey they might struggle a bit this. This was probably the team and bam is an immensely talented player. But let's be honest. The heartbeat of this team is jimmy butler and he was missing at the start of the year and now he's back. I'm sure he'd like to get a little more into rhythm. He's not shooting the ball quite the way we saw in the bubble keep referring to the bubble. But what have you done for me lately. That's our lead to something. So i do. I do think they're gonna come around. But i but i do. Think that for all the teams that started slow including someone like the mavericks. There might be a little bit of a price to pay here going forward. Because it's a shortened season right. Every game is one out of seventy two instead of one out of eighty two. There are the playing games right so he gives you a little more more movement in the standings if you ended up in ninth spot. It doesn't just mean you're out It is interesting though. This is a team that feels and i said this the other day they feel like they can play from behind they can play from behind within games. We saw them do. It does last night and in fact they showed last year. They can play from behind even in the playoffs or or in a season because they were the lower seeded team and made their way through the bracket as the underdog. Going up all the way to the nba finals. So having the confidence to know you can do that. That will serve this team. Well but of course exposure will be the first one to tell you. You don't wanna depend on that because after a while. It's exhausting to play from behind all the time. Both in games in series an inner playoff bracket you wanna sometimes have the advantage. We will keep watching them. All right. i wanna get to the net guys who lost to the pistons. Last night they weren't they were with al qaeda. He won't be back until this weekend because of those covert protocol issues but they also gave up one hundred twenty two points kyrie disappointed after the game take lissette day in and day out where guys teams are coming in the mouth early. And we're playing catch up. I don't think that we go out every single day of our lives and sacrifice time in order to be averaged at anything you know. I know you don't wake up here on. This call wakes up to the average anything that they do And we look very average you know and we have the talent that i test presents that we should be dominating We have the experience in in terms of guys that have been through certain things circumstances to be able to battle through and we're dealing with a lot of the reality that we're putting this together on the fly like we are the team that nba put the most games on where the team that get someone taken out during covid during the games where the team that has to deal with. The refs were the team that is literally battle against so many odds. That at this point is this a reason to continue to comment. They are where they are and as warrior. That i am and at the energy that i have alongside my teammates. We just have to turn that corner and we haven't done it yet but we will. And i'm telling you the leaks gonna be on notice when that pretty candid there from kyrie. Jackie and also a little thing at the end. The league could be nervous when that happens. The nets have dropped three street. What do you think is the biggest reason for that. And how much did is. Hey kevin durant not there. Right now. Rachel i feel like a broken record but i think everybody that's been talking. The net says the same thing it goes back to the defense since they traded for james harden they have the worst defensive efficiency rating of any team in the league. These are supremely talented. But when you let your guard down and play sub five hundred teams to think you can just outscore them every game. That's not gonna work. Do you realize they allowed the detroit pistons to shoot seventy percent in the game last night from the paint. You're not going to beat any team when you allow that. Do they miss jared allen. Yes they do but he's not coming back so start shoring up your defense if you want if you really want to win a championship. It's it's time to do it now. Stop talking about and do it well. It's a lot of things that come from carry interviewers a lot of days that i dive into the brooklyn nets and jackie. You're right there k. Stop knows a nose bleed defensively. But when i look at them rachel and look at his brooklyn nets team is one word that sticks out to me and that's accountability. Because when you look at all the teams that formed the big three. Aw one also go on and wet championships be contenders. They bought the fisa bleeding. It started with the stores. Even when i was appalled. Alley wasn't considered topnotch defenders but they bought in defensively because they know the ultimate goal was to win a championship. So i get it. They may not have the personnel defensively. But it has the come from those ads. Holding each other accountable. Along with steve. Nationalist coaches that the nil accountable and look. I'm not in the film session. I'm not in the locker role. But my i tests Tells me from playing with superstars and being old championship contender things and winning a championship. That is a lack of accountability. And when you watch teams like the lakers the butts the utah jazz of the world. That are at the top of the charts that are then hanging. They had on the deepest. You could see the separation. You see guys like lebron james donovan mitchell by the defensively being the head of the snake on the defense side of things so that means to tell me that get held accountable and i'm watching this brooklyn nets tape and they last accountability. Well all those teams you just named are groups that have largely been together for a while and you know as well as anyone how much continuity helps in this league especially in this season where everything is kind of thrown up into the air. you heard. Kyrie mentioned all of the ins and outs and stuff that they've had to deal what they are. of course. not the only team in the league that's had to deal with colbert absences. We just talked about the heat at length but it is something that is a factor in what is going on. I'm very curious to see if they bring him more help because they trade deadline is march twenty fifth. There's certainly opportunity for them. To bolster them that roster defensively and you have to think there's gonna be some players around the league who might be interested in joining the team as well so we will find out how that goes guys coming up. We're gonna take a little look. At josh jackson double punk dunk. Nice night to got professor. Bob moore in the lab cooking up the jumps greatest w dams. It's gonna be a lot of fun do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy. Visit dot com today. That's geico dot com. Welcome back to the jump now yesterday. Mark cuban confirmed that his team had stopped being the national anthem before games. Cuban said he made the decision not to play the national anthem after consulting with nba. Commissioner adam silver but now today. nba chief communications officer. Mike bass issued this statement saying quote with nba teams in the process of welcoming fans back to their arenas all teams will play the national anthem in keeping with long standing league policy. So interesting situation has developed here. And i'm thrilled to now. Welcome in mavericks team owner mark. Cuban we'll have team. Ceo sent marshall joining us in a minute as well but mark. Take me through a little bit. How you guys came to this decision and then what. The conversations were in the past twenty four hours that led to this morning. There is the release issued by the league. Overturning let me take you because there's a lot of misinformation out there i. We're always talking to our community. I mean that's something stint since stands for and is very insistent apart and has become a you know a core part of who we are at the dallas mavericks and listening to the community. There were quite a few people that voice their their concerns really their their fears that the national anthem and did not fully represented fully represent them that their voices were not being heard. And so we've had a lot of conversations about whether or not we should play the anthem and so during the first preseason game we decided to to not play it and just see what the response was Knowing that we were going to have ongoing conversations about it we didn't make any decision to never play the national anthem. That wasn't the case at all. We didn't cancel the national anthem. We still had our flag flying proud up on the wall. At the american airlines center and everybody had the opportunity to address it. And and you know pray twitter salute to it or however whatever. Their feelings are And week as the games went by you know honestly we. We kept on talking about what we were going to do at some point But obviously it came to the head when it was reported that at one of our games That we hadn't played but the bottom line is we always discussed the fact that we probably would end up. Playing it at one point probably went fans came back but there was never any final decision that had made that we would not play the anthem. And then what were the conversations you had over the past twenty four hours since it came into the news that you guys had not been playing it sin. Someone notice frankly and started asking about it. What was the back and forth between you in the league office. Adam in got his back and gave them my feedback that we had people who are upset by it and we're passionate and them being upset and we had people that fully supported it that you know a lot of people said they don't understand why you know. The anthem is played prior to a game. Others said you know it. It shouldn't be played prior to a game other said it didn't represent them and they're concerned about being played in. It made them uncomfortable and we talked about all the different feedback that we had received. And how did they come to the decision. Then that everybody would play the anthem including the mavericks. Did you have that conversation first. Before the press release out or did you learn from basically you know as i mentioned earlier. We had never decided that we weren't going to play the anthem when we had fans at you know we had confirmed in last game but they were all Healthcare workers and people we were honoring. They weren't our ticket holders or season ticket holders at all. So you know. We didn't know that it would be brought to a head at this point but it was an ongoing discussion in terms of when we would have our fans or season ticket holders back in the arena that we address it then. So is this press. Release your first sort of information that okay this is gonna be the policy now going forward league-wide you mean from the league yet. I mean yeah. Of course i knew the press release was coming and we are in full agreement with. We have no problem playing the national anthem at all. I stand for the national anthem. My hand is always over my heart. We've supported the national flag foundation and done work with them. You know that isn't the issue at all the real issue it how'd you. How'd you express the voices of those who feel the anthem doesn't represent them or cause caused consternation. And how do you do that going. Forward that we have sent. You know that that's programs that we're setting up with sent you know we listen. Learn will unite we. We have courageous conversations. We'll have many more those with our car players a former players with keep people in the community. We have d mac which are as organization of people from the community that we listened to on these issues. You know we don't do this. Evacuate we make these decisions after having talked to and listening and making sure that our goal is to have all voices are not just allowed us questions. We're hoping to have on with us right now. Having some technical difficulties so we might be able to get her back later in the show. So i will just ask you for now though mark. You may now face potential backlash kind of in both directions. You were talking about the feedback you got from people saying the anthem doesn't represent them but of course. There are a lot of people who feel very strongly that the anthem should be played before games. What kind of backlash might you expect from that side. I mean when you try to do things that are hard. It's never going to be easy right when you try to create social change. It's never going to be easy. We saw that all summer long. You know we listen to people and you know there are a lot of people who tried to stand up for what they believed in and weren't really hard really heard rather you know. These are difficult conversations. That are not going to go away whether or not we play. The national anthem said to me. We're just glad that we're having this conversation out of choice. Not because of some tragedy that ignited the conversation. And i know. Have i know that you said that you went sort of back and forth and conversations with the league leading up to this. Did you consider maybe bringing this up at a board of governors meeting or would you still do that to have a more of a conversation. League-wide on what the nba. Should here you will have ongoing conversations. We obviously had a lot of those summer and we have a lot of ongoing conversations with our players. The players association. Because this is this is an issue. That's important to us. This is not something that goes away you know. There is systemic racism in this country. There are people who are free to walk down the street in this country. There are people when we talk about injustice for all who don't receive justice for all you know and that is a problem so this is a conversation we have to have. Now you know it's the anthem. Maybe initiate those conversations. Then that's great but that's the far more important thing and that's that was the genesis of everything that we've done. Well we will look forward to seeing how all of that develops mark. Thank you so much for joining us today. Appreciate it racial and trump is gonna be right back right after this commercial. Welcome back to the jump now yesterday. Owner mark cuban confirming. His team had stop playing the national anthem before games but today the nba came back and said not so fast releasing a statement saying all reno's will be playing the national anthem blue especially with fans coming back in the building. We just had mark on the show. Here perk what is your reaction to hearing mark. Explain how this all came about and how they're going to go forward now actually love them because mark cuban is playing chess. Not checkers and i thought this was a great chess. Move by him because he's fighting for what's right and there's genuine. You could tell this coming from a genuine place. And what he did it is is he. He's ruffling feathers and make people uncomfortable and making people make sure we stay focused on what's at hand and that's civil rights in a social justice and equal rights for all and so it won't disappear now applauded fluid. I actually do. Yeah i agree. Perkin i think when you look at the evolution of social justice in this league. You can start with mark cuban who i think. Three or four years ago was saying that. He stands for the national anthem and wanted and expected his players to do that clearly with conversations through the years with his players. He's altered his thinking. So why can't the rest of us tried to do that as well and i. I feel bad that cynthia marshall was having trouble dialing in with our segment there. Because she's such a great advocate as mark was saying for the community she's one of the highest ranking african americans in a front office in in the league and i think the conversations that she had been having are impactful a and the fact that the team was listening to people both inside the organization and outside matters and i was curious when jackie heard me ask mark. Is this something. He's going to bring up at the board of governors. Do you think this will be an evolving conversation. Jackie within the league. Because adam silver on the other hand has been pretty consistent even in his pre-game availability with the media this year. He made the point that he hopes that. Not only teams continue to play the national anthem but he hopes the players are standing for the national anthem because he would like it to once again as he said represent the melting pot that this country can be and what the best of america could be if we all keep working on it. What do you think the future is here for how the league wants to handle this. Well understand adam saying that. But clearly the feedback. Mark cuban and the dallas mavericks are getting is something completely different. Doesn't it might make sense to have that dialogue. Continue on a larger lever in the board of governors meeting with the players association and also team by team. And then you'll really find out. If what adam silver hopes it means is truly what his players feel and it might be two different things. They're absolutely all right. We'll go ahead. No i was just saying mark. Cuban is doing a great job as owner as holding other owners accountable and holding their feet to the fire so he standing on the front line and saying you know what we're gonna we're gonna support players. We're going to support in the issues that they have dealing with in the world today and i'm going to stand on the front line. And if he has the world the feltus he's going to all right. Well let's move onto the mavs on the court stations for this team. They've won their last two games. There are eleven and fourteen overall. This season jackie. What are your expectations for dallas. They lowered from what they were preseason. Well i'd be lying if i said no. Because we are a little further. And i didn't expect them for instance rachel to be last three point shooting. They're the worst. Three point percentage team in the league. Lucas only shooting around thirty percent the struggles of porzingas early on in the season. I think of caused people to second guess. That doesn't mean he can't round into form. They myth they miss. Seth curry curry shooting forty nine percent for the sixers across in the eastern conference. So can they form sure but are they the team that can contend. They're they're not as they're just not the team. I thought they were going to be the and that's a great point. They all missed current. I said when they traded them to some. Did i felt like philly one in this trade but when you look at the dallas mavericks they have to realize we anointed including myself. I'm guilty of this. We are not lucre at an early age and he was the mvp front runner coming into the season. And so then you have to realize that you're now going to beat the hunted and teams are gonna be coming after ninety in the night out as a whole not just locally but the dallas mavericks in general and also i think some of the struggles is losing of co silas to the houston rockets but lose hill was loose blow. Yeah i was just about to say that perk remember. This was a historic offense in dallas last season coach. Lila's definitely a part of that one of the architects of that and it is partly got him this job in houston that he completely deserve such a longtime associate. But it's gonna have an effect as well as for the trade seth curry. They obviously felt that getting josh richardson. That deal was an important part of bevelled bolstering their defense which they definitely needed last season. I am interested to see if they can get the balance working out. I was just in dallas over the weekend and it is a work in progress. There's no doubt about that. I want to get to the other side of the matchup. 'cause jackie you've been working on a piece on trae young. Just his confidence being on full display on the court. Do you think that's swagger is going to translate into more wins. How did you go in depth there. I really do think. It is rachel because everybody i spoke to this story and i spoke to quite a few people all the way through from kids that he grew up with people through colleagues that were with him and they all said the same thing. It's all about winning with trae young. He just wants to win. And i think what he realizes now. He's always had that chip on his shoulder. I know you've talked about it before this idea that he's too small that he can't do it that he's got to prove to everybody. Well he has now. He's he's at all star. He's among the leaders and league leaders in points and assists so everybody knows yes. You belong so the next step for him now is bringing your team to the playoffs. So how do you do that. Well first of all you gotta play defense with the same passion that you attack the rim attacked the offensive end of the floor but the other thing too is when you draw crowd and he always will because of how he shoots you dish it off let someone else. Maybe take one of those game winning shots and i think you're seeing it rondos been a great mentor from him. Great great mentor. And they're talking a lot about pick and roll at the flint cappella. Pick and roll. John collins getting other guys involved in rondo is really excited about the possibilities for trae young going forward when you think that trade when i think of trae young i think goosestep curvy steph curry had swag coming in. He had shimmy shoulder. Single whatever you wanna call it. Why can't trae young. Trae young has been doubted. Aldus life because his size and look. It's only a few guys in the league that get trapped in the first half of the game soon as he gets. Suzy cross have court at trae youngest one of them. He is a generational talent. He's a level four school in today's game. And i do think his swagger is everything not only for himself and his game but it also gives swagger to the team in the organization is fun to watch. There's no question he doesn't get here without. It doesn't get here without that swagger doesn't get to the nba. Without no question. I totally agree. I is part of his game. And i do think it's infectious. You can just see it around the team all right. We're celtics coming up. You knew that we were a little. Who's on the panel today. Coming up kemba walker has played. Ten games hasn't four looked like the player who made each of the previous for all star game so we will ask perk and jackie mac. If they are concerned that is next right here on the job and here on the jump. It's crunch time friends. Kendall walker has been back in the celtics lineup. tang games now member. He missed thirteen while we have in his left. Knee is across the board from his career. Averages so perk is this something that will improve with time or is there a legitimate concern. Here you'll lose big concerns here because kimba don't look himself and and i'm not saying felt was where to each is having a hard time of getting the ball into the basket off his role with the mergers of jason. Tatum agenda brow. Kimball is now the third option and guess what the city of boston. They don't want to hear any excuses to kill his gonna have to gonna have to the liver it skills while you're right about one thing purkis greatest tatum and brown of ben if they really want to go to the finals championship. They need the campbell that they signed as a free agent. Couple years back. I don't watch him really closely. When you had the one. For twelve for the lakers. I thought that's just one game but it's been four or five games and i can't tell if it's you know. He has to create separation by stopping short on that knee. Putting a lot of pressure on it. Is it a mental thing that he's not one hundred percents sure or is it more physical thing. I don't think it's physical khazar increasing minutes. Which they wouldn't do right. His knee was hurting so definitely bears watching. I think if it's a mental thing you hope he gets there. He's one of the nicest guys you can't help but root for kemba walker. sure absolutely. I talked to him last week. He said it is a little bit of a rhythm thing. Still which i guess is both mental and physical a little bit to some degree and of course you know jaylen brown emerged. He's always so good right but the explosion that he's had. This season habra campbell was out so he did say it was a little bit of an adjustment for that too. We will see. Let's move move over to g. League ignite because that team made it season debut today. Top prospects jonathan commingle and jalen green combining for thirty points. In a win over the santa cruz warriors. Fun jackie they won by five points. Did you expect you expect that these are the these are the top prospects team playing against the grownups as we say. I love the fact that the prospects can get it done. I learned all about jalen. Green from our pal ramona. Shelburne and the stories she did. I didn't know that much about them. So it gave gave me some stats and stuff to put to the face. It looks like a keeper to me. You're absolutely jackie. Both of these kids youngsters and fair veered. Sounds it and they don't care about who they facing. That's the most impressive thing that i got from the game last night. That love was grown men or not. They were ready for the move. I know that the g. league ignite games are going to be on the espn family of networks all season. I'm pretty psyched for this. There's some fun stuff going on. In the little. It's the mini bubble the mini bubble. Down in orlando. Let's talk about the because they are the nightcap of tonight's espn doubleheader phoenix looking for their fourth. Straight win perk. Do you expect the bucks to cool off the scorching heart. Sons here because phoenix looks. Good it will. You know rachel. I was how phoenix once. They traded for chris. Paul and guess what. I'm still alice the going into phoenix tonight and getting no type of win not so committed on. I love the way that they're wrong. Flares take crowded mckay plant. There's a fucker andy. Andrei of plan like y'all stores that we've been waiting to see. Well i think the big problem for the bucks is to ruhollah. Is we think. Because of kobe protocols you know he he would be helpful. When you're trying to slow down devon booker. I would think but i will say this about the box. They seem to be rounding into form jaanus in particular. We haven't seen the best of janas yet. That bridge that trajectory is going to keep rising. I find it hard to ever bet against honest and look the bucks have been very open about the fact that they are using this regular season to experiment more. They have heard all of the criticism. Their last two postseason runs not only fell short but fell short in a way where teams seem too rigid. Inflexible wasn't able to switch on the fly. So they are using this regular season to change who they can be in the postseason and that is sometimes messy. So jackie yes i do. Expect them to get better as the season goes on and they're already doing pretty well. They're near the top of the eastern conference. But it's going to be interesting and of course deondraye eight and as we've been hearing he's been improving his defense. It will be a test for him tonight as well all right time for our league past game of the night. We've got a lot of great options to choose from nine games on the nba slate this evening but only one features the league passers mvp's from the past two season. Oh yes our league past winter for this season so far has been lamelo ball in hornets. They're facing off against our league pass star from last year john mirant and the grizzlies eighties. Jackie which player would you rather have for the next five years lamelo or reigning rookie of the year job. One hundred percent tried to bail on this question. Because i really exciting lamelo ball is blown me away. Just blow me away with what he's been able to do right out of the shoot for a team. That really needed him to do that. So i'm picking john moran but only because we have a larger sample of his initial nece. I think they're both going to be really good. Agree with your jacket and since you took job i'll take lamelo just to kill both of them. If you want to key there's no mandate for big numbers as sell out arenas and sell shoes. And jerseys. I take ball kid split out box office. I agree with you both hard choice. Because they're both so good. John leadership i think is something that i would point to right now. Lamelo is being asked to do that yet. So it's not criticism. He's he's not being put in that position. But we've seen john in that position both on and off the court. And you've seen how those other young players on the grizzlies have rallied around them and really his. Dna has spread to all of them so even when he was out they had the same fight that we know that he has every night. I've been so impressed with that. So impressed with both of them. Thank you both so much for the time today. 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Basketball: A Love Story

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Basketball: A Love Story

"Can you tell me your name name? Was Braun giants? Yummy, Lisa, Leslie Bradley. Owen Roe Shaquille O'Neal Toby Byrne Magic Johnson. But really my name is coach. They call me. Jim be I'm Jim, Kelly. Gino Auriemma Beckham about Cheryl Miller. John Calipari Mike suggests skiers, Julie, Adam, silver. My name is David Stern. My name is Mavs dog park like Julius Dirk Nowitzki. My name is Steve Kerr. Kevin, was Steph curry. Motioned jets. Oscar Robertson Jerry West Lieberman's on for Bill happy, Chris. Paul. I didn't choose. It shows me. Love love you all my life. Welcome to the job. I'm Rachel Nichols. You just saw the trailer for pass ball, a love story, theories of films vailable on ESPN plus debuts today. I also have this fabulous. It's so heavy. I almost lifted across the table book with the same title. This is out everywhere and guys we plugged some books on this show. I could not give more of a plug then could this book we're joined by a couple of the author's Rafe Bartholomew Jackie MacMullan, and you know you are producers descent to list you as returning champions, and maybe that means you yesterday or haven't been on in two months couple months ago, maybe he's a champion for that reason, but I am so impressed. Everyone watches the shows, of course, familiar with the hall of Famer, Jackie and her work Rafe worked Zach at grantland. Any other events. You have a long resume, but working Zach, assume what you list is the top of your role now that I've worked with Jackie. Okay. Okay. Little bit buddy. And this is of course a companion to this video project. That's insane. You guys just saw the quality and level of people that were involved in this and I love. When do you think the last time was someone asked LeBron James, can you stay? You are. Probably the same about Bill Russell, Bill, Russell, all of these people. How did you guys get involved with this and sort of project. Well, so Dan course the brilliant filmmaker and he's, this is his baby. This is his project, and he asked me to do some of the interviews for the film, Dirk, Nancy, Lieberman, Andy, Myers, some of the others, and it was just the scope of this project was incredible. And the the interview with Oscar was five hours Bill Russell, two and a half hours. And I remember saying to him, wow, Dan, you're gonna have so much great stuff left on the cutting room floor. What is shame? And I don't know week or two later he called up and said, well, we're going to do book. And so this is your fault. You got yourself into, I think Dan considering anyway, that he was planning all along to book and the movie be partners. And I wouldn't surprise me. I mean, he's he's got it all laid out. He called me and it's not he this project he was describing it was like giving us the Dead Sea scrolls of basketball and saying, find the the holy book of the sport in there. It was in dream project. That's what's so interesting about this is kind of like the hall of fame is not just about the NBA this book. In this movie project or not just about the NBA credibly exhaustive complete, look at the NBA, but it's also college basketball and and Olympics and international basketball and so many other things game. Absolutely. You've read the book. What is what is your sort of takeaways? What are your favorite parts? We can start peppering these questions. I read that also, but I wanted to involved in the conversation. Four thousand pages on funny ABA stories is, is that flu best, but to going back to the point shaving stuff in the fifties and the sixties, the blackballing of Connie Hawkins, the Jim crow era like it just all that's the seventy two Olympics reliving that again, all that stuff is in there. And what I mean the way number stuff we have been talking about a little bit. You wanted to tell people little bit well. So there's a lot about racial discrimination, Rachel, and and it goes all the way back to the sixties when Wayne Embry a member of the Celtics, getting himself ready to play a game and affiliate fan comes down just as he's about to step on the court, throws them a banana says, have good game. You wait humanitarian, can you imagine? And now you go all the way to the late eighties and here Shaquille O'Neal as a high school kid that was Texas driving to an away game and looks in a cornfield, and there's a a scarecrow hung enough Adji with his number on it. So we've come a long way still have a long way to go into listen to these first person accounts of some of the racial indignities that these people faced. And you know household names, Julius Erving talking about going across the Mason Dixon line and seeing the klu Klux, welcome to clan country is Ahah Thomas walking home walking to school. You had to take two buses and a train in Chicago to get to his very private school and watching all the kids on his teen drive by with his parents, and it's two degrees out and he's saying, hey, why don't you guys pick me up? And they're like, oh, well, you know, we're not like that, but my parents, you know, they're not gonna pick you up me Thomas, isn't that old? Yeah, absolutely. And not just the discrimination, but the opportunities, the that players. And again, household names people, we know just the players describing how they came to love the game. The passionate took the the older generations who you know, Spencer Haywood, telling stories of growing up in Mississippi delta and his mother because their their family couldn't afford a basketball making a ball out of like a Croker sack, stuffing. It was and they, they could be can't dribble that ball. They played to imaginary dribbles and then. Shoot her pass. And even LeBron James talks about shooting on a shooting on a milk crate as a kid in Akron, Ohio. So it's not just the older players is basketball, a love story, whether it's discrimination, they faced whether it's just lack of opportunity with you know, wealth or anything else they fought to play the game. They did and you know the love of the game. I really came through with the women, I think because as we all know and it's in the news a lot, these days, the women's still don't get the equity that we all feel the financial did. They feel they should get in this country. They have to go overseas to play, but listening to Cheryl Miller talking about trying to play with their brothers. And you know, the only way she could play was to get behind the Bush, hit a three pointer and and Nancy, LeBron stuffing her jacket to make her look tougher on the subway Rucker park and getting Parkin saying, is your name Rooker? No. Well, then I guess this ain't your park. I guess I can play that. You know, she makes herself town tough, but she talks about being terrified in that moment, any Myers all the, the legends of the women's game also, and what the game has meant to them because it hasn't been the great financial boom. That he has for the men. And so those stories in particular were heartwarming to me, there's some great stuff about Magic Johnson. What are some of your favorite things that you guys were able to put in here? Well, I mean, I've written a lot about urban wrote a book with urban, and I thought some of the revelatory things you talked about when he had HIV and how David Stern behind the scenes was trying to navigate that and David Stearns very honest in this book saying, you know, we thought he was going to die. Okay. And magic. Every time you saw him in public. He smiling, I'm going to beat this, but meanwhile, he's taking fifteen pills a day. He's throwing up constantly. He doesn't know how he's gonna make it, and and then the emotional moment of finding out that his wife and his unborn son was not HIV positive. So we, we got a pretty good inside look at some of that, and I had forgotten things like Tim Hardaway gave up starting spot in that also AM in ninety two so magic. That's the great thing about book like this is like, no matter how much you read and consumed like certain details, escape your brain. It brings all those completely forgotten that and Magic's even sort of coming out party in that finals. I thought you guys detail of that in a really. Way that magic. I think I, in fact, I can say purposefully is the beginning and end he is the book ends of this book. He has the first quote about the love of the game, and he has the last quote about the love of the game, and he describes it at the best feeling you could have in basketball, creating an open shot for your team teammate, which is which is Magic Johnson. Absolutely. And of course, notebook about basketball is complete without one Mr Michael, Jeffrey Jordan. And yet guests did not talk to you for this book. What was that about? Well, I'm not really sure because Dan was in charge of the inches. He does have his heating. Sure. What was it like for you though? To deal with that? And we're showing by the way people going, why are you showing Bubby night? Because they're amazing stories about Michael Jordan and Bobby Knight mother even wanted him on the team nineteen Eighty-four Olympics Bill. Billy Packer tells the story he's friends with with Bob Knight in college game, and Bob Knight comes to him and says, you know what? I'm in. I'm stuck here. I don't want Jordan. He can't shoot. What can I do to guard who can't shoot. Thank. Can you just say that again? I'm afraid to say it again. Someone attributed to right. Bob Knight the coach of the nineteen Eighty-four men's Olympic team saying that he didn't want Michael Jordan on his team and has to have the best player in the country. So and then as their preparation continues, keep checking in with Billy Packer and after a little while we go through some practices like, hey, this guy really works hard. He's a competitor. He's a foxhole guy. I'd go to war with him. Okay. Still not the most skilled guy I want, but still and then they go on. Eventually, this team plays a nine game. Exhibition tour against NBA. Selections goes nine in a college. Imagine that today it's impossible goes nine against the likes of Larry Bird Thomas where on those teams. And by the end of that tore he goes to Bob Knight goes to Billy Packer, and he says, this guy is going to be the greatest player of all time. Right there. There's also stuff about Michael Jordan at the end of his career. I was in Washington and they're so the relationship with him him and dot Collins was always fascinating. And Michael dealt with sort of aging in game, especially when so many people didn't think he should have been playing again to begin with and you and I were two of them. Yeah. What? What what, what do you do. The more poignant moments. I think in Michael Jordan's career probably was at the end of his tenure in Washington. He had a streak of consecutive games where he had ten points or more. This is not shocking to Michael Jordan fan, but then there's a game where eight points and it's the end of a blowout. Doug Collins takes him out. And probably if you could do that over, he would probably change his mind. Jordan wintom and said, do you do you think I can't play anymore? And no, no, no. I just thought this well, so you know, what happens? Next Jordan goes off for fifty something in the next game, and and he said in the right before that game Jordan said to, so just look at me, I'll tell you when I'm coming out, it's so looking at looking at and he's like, no, I'm good. So that's to me, Michael Jordan Ed is best even at the end of his career and Scottie Pippen to we have him on the show regularly and yet revealing moment. One of one of the biggest moments that people remember him for. Besides, of course, the, you know, six gypsy Ryan. About that. And I know you do his. He's a first ballot hall of Famer and just an incredible player and the the moment we're talking about, of course, at the end of the game when Jordan is gone and Phil Jackson decides Tony coaching in the game for the last shot instead of Pippen and I love going to put my glasses on. I'm going to read this because I loved it. And what he said. You know, he didn't refuse to go in and you got killed for this and his quote to us in this book, many years later was the competitive fire in me took over. I wouldn't handle it the same way, but I would still make my point. I felt fill overused his power against me like he was trying to make a point that didn't need to be made. And you know what he's right. Well, that's right. So fascinating. 'cause we talked to Scottie about it since both on the air off the air and the build up that he talks about of Phil trying to manipulate team all his then mastermind games, sort of all came in to that moment on the concept that other people bring up in the book is, is there a certain point at which a player deserves to have that. Call from. I was surprised how many people voice that because Scott has been killed for this. It's still in line two of his career. You know, renew bothers me to, no, it's weird. He's never really been forgiven for it, broader sense. But you know why? Because he's not precipitous about it. He just let it lie. And for the longest time he never talked about it at all. And so I think he just decided I'm going to take the high road on this and he went on and had a great career after that when Michael returned and and I think he has great respect for Phil, even though you know, he feels this way, so I loved them. Universal decide, teammates, x, t x opponents love him too. He's one of those guys. People respect Phil explains in the book that you know, well, Beykal was the sort of drill sergeant leader to put it lightly, right? Scotty was the guy who grew up in the big family and treated everyone. I know like like we're all of course, their brothers in the in the team, but really in like a family atmosphere. Yeah. And he and Scotty, Pippin. Here's Michael Jordan better than any coach ever did for that. Exact reason. He was the. Guy that could put his arm round Jordan or say, Jordan, take it now down at it's touching in the book to hear some of the role players, including Steve Kerr, talk about how like we needed that on the team. Like if it was just Michael Moore, that would've taken a toll on. So you need. It's it's interesting. These are growing men, star athletes. We kind of needed the softer touch Pippen provided by the way, Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr and the face. I don't think that enough people. You talk about the relationship with Stephen j in this book. And now sort of in this era basketball where we're talking about all these guys, you know, LeBron sub tweeted someone or we, you know, right? So texted someone behind his back or whatever. And I think, okay, but remember how it used to be. You guys have great anecdotes about this kind of stuff. And again, Steve and I'm Jay your friends. I mean, this is this wasn't a terrible wanna punch some of your teammates. I did. I just never did. It never had enough guts to punch Amir. It was eight months story, and he was eventually there was a trade and talk to coaches. They'll say that stuff happens. The punches just usually miss like. We just don't know about. I don't think there are so many of these stories in this book. And of course in the documentary basketball, a love story. It's twenty hours ten parts more than sixty interconnected short stories. So it's really cool. You can actually go up in like some of them are ten minutes, twenty five minutes. You can watch a few and then you know the days pick it up in the watch it again. They're all available on the ESPN app and we'll binge style preview. The full film is gonna Erin. ESPN two, September twenty seven. And then Mark your calendars because five Tuesdays, beginning October ninth, staying everybody roll out on ESPN. We're talking about this much because it's so good by this book you got to thanks. It's true. It's so good. All right. Coming up. Young is gonna stop by. We're also going to discuss Luca Donncha where he was the only rookie to crack the top one hundred and ESPN dot coms NBA rank, but I, this is our distant replay. It's from this date in two thousand nine featuring Camille little facing elimination in the conference finals time off the coffee foul immediately. Ashley Robinson doing jumping jacks again, near wing, Noelle Quinn throws the ball nearly away. Today's ticket little. 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You can get a come out until you're wrong, respond on social. No. All right. There you go. I'm not anyway, miss fright. This is amazing. Terry rosier telling g q he doesn't like the nickname scary Terry. Although he as you can see, does have wardrobe. So the jump staff came up with new nicknames for him, which I think are fabulous. Dairy, Jerry library. Terry's Sperry, Terry. These are good. Just what my dad's name is Terry. I'm glad he's bringing back. Terry key is part of the name names. Yeah, pack terriers. Good. I think that's just not basketball. Relevant. Make execution Dennis shooter lobbing a perfect past German teammate at the buzzer to force overtime. If Biba World Cup qualifier, anything more exciting than in value. The worst. Close it is to other sounding. I feel like it brings in instant replay. Give me a half court, buzzer beater where it's a little bit more. Shots or somehow more exciting as buzzer beaters. Oftentimes it's too close. We happy watching this though. It was it was a perfectly executed play, which you don't see often, we're gonna see a lot of him bitty. During this petition name are instead playing horse. I'm supposed to you back. Faking injury. Jack, that's cold rest of the shade under the Croatian players, fake injuries. It was kind of fun. It was fun. You know, at the end of the summer in the NBA when this kind of stuff is going on, make laments Matthew del of adobe saying Australia is approaching the golden age of posses hoops. Zach, do you agree? I mean, Ben Simmons is probably going to go down as the best player. I mean, well, that's that's a source of some contention, but that's that's yeah, sure. Why not? You got the greatest player in the NBA Joe angles, vac big join goes fans join those Jogos as good. They're all good, good. It'd be a good solid team. They just every time they get in the Olympics, they choke in the round of the semi finals and get th. So it's time to take the next step. That's what you need for golden age takes the next to win a medal. Tough. You have to win the golden age of to win a medal. Maybe I that I do though before it we're gonna move into talking about ESPN dot, coms, MBA rank. This is something that's a great sort of event on the website leading into the week of the NBA season for the last eight years and kind of make the clarification on what it is ranking of what it's about. It was a group of voters that utilizes something called the wisdom of the crowd. So the idea is, this isn't just like one guy sitting in his cabin on a mountain top making list. It actually pulls a whole bunch of people and they come from all different angles. There's people who work in and around the NBA there. Some of our editors and writers here at ESPN. There's also some people who are MB fans because all of that kind of contributes to what the crowd thinks. And the question they were asked is, who is going to make the most contributions who's going to have the biggest impact going into next season. So it's not really a ranking of who are the best players. It's a ranking of who's going to have the ball in his hands a lot who's going to really have those sort of impact games that we're going to see him be talking about. These people, which is again, another cool different way to look at it. So with that explanation looking. Well, I mean, but you know, people are still gonna disagree with. That's fine. I mean, you can disagree, but you should. I people should know what was being read. And I actually think it's cool to make it that specific because who's the best is kind of hard talk about. So it's a lot easier and more interesting to talk about who's going to be able to make an impact going into the season. Here's the projections from six to sixty four. And it's interesting because we see rookie point guard Luca Dutch ranked sixty third behind Lonzo ahead of Spurs John Murray. So are you the time LUKA and what he'll be able to do the season. Does that he completely deserves this sort of ranking because he comes in not as your standard rookie. He's accomplished. He's done things in professional basketball. That means something. And that's not to take away anything from other young rookies whether it's trae young or yonder Eytan or whoever it might be. But look Don comes in and a different category. And so that to me is what makes perfect sense that he's the only one in the top one hundred. You're going to be stunned to find out that I cannot get fired up about. Two. You get down to fifty. A lot of it is just interchangeable. Like Lucas are going to be good player. I don't mind that he's sixty three's better than Lonzo is better than JJ. Right? I don't know. We're gonna find out, but he's going to get to do a lot of stuff for the Mavericks. I think it's, it's going to be. They're going to be fascinating this. You're like, how does Dennis junior take to being the ball morts? Lots of interesting Dallas stuffed under and this kind of that this is about contributions for the coming season as opposed to who's better because that is an interesting point with Luca. He's going to be able to do a lot of stuff. How do you expect all of that to work? Well, I mean, I know the Mavs are interested in that too, and in particular mentioned Smith and he came in, is this highly touted lottery, pick explosive on his hands and they're a little bit nervous about, you know, how is he going to take to being kind of the second biggest young guy on our team? The second focal point young guy, and then you know, they got to decide what they're going to do with Dirk is he gonna come off the bench and you're gonna start. It's going to be an interesting season down there. James have been pretty successful though. Recently, Rachel, I mean with having these two ball handlers on the floor, it's been a little bit of a change in the NBA. You don't just have the traditional point guard. The has the ball, you know, outside of the Westbrook type of teams of the hardened type of teams. But you look at the rockets and what they did with Chris Paul, James harden, you can incorporate in plus for talking about a coach that can incorporate sort this sort of thing out Carla. I'd put my trust in Rick Carlo. I think Dallas is one of those seems there's a whole category of teams who aren't even really sniffing g can they went to Taylor g. and they see the warriors, but who are going to be a fascinating study this season in what are they going to turn out to be Dallas is one of them head over to ESPN dot com. You can see the latest release of their NBA rank today. It's fifty two thirty one tomorrow this. Maybe it was gonna interesting more. You get to see thirty to twenty one tomorrow. Did you get interested. You can join that in knowing who's between thirty and twenty one starting tomorrow. But you can check during this commercial break, but come right back because we will be right back after this. Great. Hey, there I'm Kevin Godley tonight on sportscenter after the latest on to star receivers under the microscope, Antonio, Brown, and Josh Gordon, what's on the line for the Yankees against the Red Sox. Plus a fresh debate with Tony and Mike on sportscenter sixties, say, still have to PTI. Welcome back to the jump. I'm Rachel Nichols here, Zach Lowe and ROY young. We're sitting here in the commercial break, arguing about the heat. So we'll table that for a little bit, and it said, talk about Jimmy Butler and Tom, Theodore, it was reported. They were going to be yesterday, but then Jimmy tweeted last night, hey, that meeting is actually today. By the way. I love all of these NBA players who have turned into the gate of reporters. Everything's our own woes. However, who of course beats everyone at every story says, the meeting is you're in Los Angeles after it was initially scheduled to be in Minnesota. So there's a lot of opinions on this. Do you think this meeting Royces a good thing? Bad thing for the wolves. What do you think you can only characterize it as a good thing? Because you know, it's like they say, in any relationship once the communication stops and that's when things go really bad. So look, I don't know if the meeting will necessarily solve anything. I don't know if it'll fix anything. I don't know if all parties involved will come out feeling like there's a resolution in place and hurt feelings or whatever may be the case can be resolved. But if you're not talking at all, then you can't resolve anything. So I would say that on a scale of good tha. Bad to horrible, at least. Okay. Royce will be available after the show for any of your counselors? Very, very therapies involve me in the meeting. I want to sneak in like underneath those food trays neighboring in with if they have fable color sneaking the meeting. Can I characterize the meeting bad thing? Because I'm going to characterize it as a bad thing. Delos traded a bunch of stuff for Jimmy Butler, and he's not happy and he has issues, and he and Karl Anthony towns don't get along and tips as the coach. This is the this is the prime implosion candidate in the NBA. It would be better if they all like each other, and everyone got along to be. This is not a good sign. It's a sign of troubled waters on the horizon. It's going to be a very interesting season Minnesota. I would say if there's if there's discontent a meeting is better than no me, I guess I should say it that way rather than of course, you'd rather have no meeting at all it. It's kind of like like Brian likes to say about knee surgery. It's like there's no such thing as minor nieces. There's no such thing as a good meeting with management. I mean, we'll see. We'll see what he says. I mean, I don't know that anything substantive will come out of it, but they have a fascinating decision to make in terms of. Of if they think he's leaving, they think Butler is leaving. Can they even do anything? When does it get too late to do anything? He can't trade a guy in January on an expiring contract. There's going to be any market for that. They have to do it. Now if they think he's leaving, does Glenn Taylor get involved in flexes muscle over Tibbs as the as the, you know, the ultimate disadvantage, it's it's, it's an interesting situation. I mean, this is again a case. We're having the coach being loyal to a player and all the relationships that come in there. And then that coach also being the team president and sort of all the relationships that come into their, it's some people feel those job should always be separated. If you're Jimmy Butler though, in this situation, what are you walking in and asking for or saying, I, I don't even know. I mean, because he's going to be a free agent, which means he gets to pick what team he plays for. I'm sure if you had his druthers, you would like to get the five-year max that he's going to be eligible for Minnesota. That's the easiest possible thing. That's a simple thing. And if he gets traded one of the reasons he might not asked to be traded, he doesn't get the pick where he goes and where that five-year max is available to him. Yeah. I mean, look, I to me, it feels like the most likely outcome here is that he sits down. They start talking because I'm trying to, I'm trying to map out. Okay. What this meeting look like? The most likely scenario is he says, okay, fine, trade me. I mean to me that seems like the most likely outcome doesn't it rather than a? I know it just got through talking about great communicate. Koumba she. That's going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen, and this is this is troubling because as you mentioned about Tibbs incentives about what he's goals are, I think I think even if they don't like each other on raw talent, they're going to be a forty eight forty, nine fifty one team probably a playoff team, and all these decisions just get put off till the end of the season. And that could end up being worse case scenario for the wolves are you comfortable? They don't like each other. Do we know that bears don't don't don't like is striving. There's there's mild discontentment. It's been well reported. I think you know, Jimmy and cat don't always see eye to eye. Tibbs is not. These got to play for me and I think all that stuff is no different. Does this look at Jimmy Butler doesn't get hurt at the last year. The the wolves might finish with fifty three fifty, four wins beat the three seed in the west and could never be a lot lower. And that's another reason why I think that that they're just not gonna rush to make any decisions that bust up the scene because this is they have not wanna playoff series since two thousand four. Like if they have a chance to win a playoff series, they're going all in for that they should by the way they should. To another team that hasn't were playoff series in a while. Let's talk about the New York Knicks although the organization is feeling I can see pretty producer Steven. Ear just there. My I hear team is feeling more confident they have their organizational structure more in place than in quite some time. You've got presidency. Milton manager, Scott Perry coach says, Dale, of course that's his first season with the next Steve mills told Knicks fans at townhall event. Yesterday, quote, in our circles that we travel and the people that we talked to, we know that there is a change in how people perceive us. We know that the players are talking about New York as a place that well things are different. Now you live in New York, the people saying on the streets, the people, what? What are the people saying? Please don't let through this. That's what the people are saying. Look, this is all nice to hear. It's nice to talk about it. We're about two or three months away from them being like ten in thirty and not being able to say any of these nice things. I just think I think the perception has changed. People have noticed that they have not made a crazy trade or trade a fourteen draft picks or anything like that. I think now they need to stop talking about it, let the perception change and then figure out how much Chris steps. Should play this year and then go to market this summer and say, hey, this is what we got. I think the Knicks feel more normal than they have in every time. People say that it gets something goes haywire, don't say don't say normal. If feels like there's a normalized plan in place. They have young talent. They have a high-calibre coach. They have solidified their leadership to a degree and there's just not chaos is I guess that's what it takes to be a little bit normal as that you just don't have rampant chaos. Right. Pick for Andrea. Doing Orlando, one step team living legend that of the arena. I mean, there's just so many things that you can make feel normal if they don't win because I don't know how good they'll be. Zingers guess they're probably a lottery team again, they might be the worst in the league with, so can you be normal while also being very unsuccessful in the court? I think so. I think as long as as you kind of just reduce the chaos to a degree, and then it comes into play him toward the end of the season to sort of get him back in gear of playing in that rhythm. So that's not taken up at the start of the next season. Do you plan a little bit at the end of the season to sort of showcase to potential free agents? Hey, this guy's back. He's ready. You don't have to worry about him or do not play him at the end of the season because you are defacto tanking. You wanna hire draft, pick. Going to risk him getting reinjured. What if he's not going to be back to peak form right away when he steps on the floor, that's not how ACL injuries work. So what if he's like averages fifteen eight and people are like, oh, that's that's not the guy. I remember, right. Yeah, but that's the sad part about an injury to this degree and for the Knicks they can make that decision at the time where they get there and they're going to have a good idea of what their season looks like and that will probably inform that decision time. Optimistic, we have two teams in New York to one of them be good. We have to can one make the playoffs at some point. Never heard you use those two words together. I'm an optimistic, so that's just I'm about an exam. I think they're right to talk about themselves like this. It's just every time over the last fifteen years that I've been up the mystic for a second about the Knicks. Something dumb happens. Well, I'll be watching. I wondered get another guy that's is extremely fond of, oh, the best. Goodbye to this first media over the weekend, marking the official end of an era. This is the first time since nineteen Ninety-seven Noten Dunkin. No, Tony Parker. No. Chuck would say. Now, remember back in ninety six ninety seven. Dave Robinson was injured only played six games that is what led to the Spurs winning the lottery in all senses of the word because they landed Tim, Duncan, they've made the playoffs every year since this now his tough Gregg Popovich is toughest hosts since that year. The David got hurt. Yeah. I mean, given given the turmoil they've we didn't mention Colli given the turmoil they've gone through and and and their roster is is okay. I mean there that playoff streak of twenty whatever years is I think in jeopardy, and they have a roster that's heavy on on big men. And even Rudy gay has been a four for a lot of the last few years and kind of thin on wings and in the modern NBA. That's not quite how you want your roster to be, but you know, they're gonna play, fundamentally sound. They're going to defend and they're going to win a certain number of games. It's just in the west if just brutal out there. I think it's kind of what we define as toughest, because if it's if it's mentally toughest, I think it was last season in what they dealt with with Kurai, and that's something. The Spurs organization has basically never dealt with the grid. Gera- is turmoil in media reports and all these sort of things coming out. I think tangibly it's probably like said this season, I think on the court. There's more questions and more issues that they're going to have to resolve on the floor. But to me, I think Popovich experienced tough year last year is to me the fact how loaded the west is going to be one of the biggest barrier here. Right? I mean there there are twelve teams that legitimately count themselves play a full. And I think if you asked Ricardo, I'd say why not? Thirteen? Why not us? Why can't we get into that conversation? I personally wouldn't put them there, but it's it's in the east. It's just smooth sale into the number seven or six for the Spurs. They'll plan these. I mean, it's one of those things where I think there's a lot of teams where people say, yeah, I mean they're probably low seed playoff team and then say, okay, we'll count them. Please tell me living out that is where it becomes so difficult in the Spurs are going to be in that conversation. Thank you Zach for joining us today. We are now kicking you off the set because our fantasy. Expert Andreas snowing, it's going to be here. He will tell you who you should have at the top of your draft board might not be you are watching the jump. Sign up for ESPN fantasy basketball now is dot com. Finish. Fantasy football expert, Andrei snowing, welcome back to the jump. Thank you for being here today. We were always world when you stop, and I want to take a look at your top five rankings for fantasy hoops entering this season. Jaanus is number one is explain how he will get people. Many, many points. First of all, yon is may or may not be human. And I mean the his development each year he's been in the NBA has been dramatic. And last year he was right at the top of the league as it was. So now a days Twenty-three, if he gets another step up like that, then his production level with just a path, everybody in the league. He does a bit of everything. He's a point power forward center shooting guard. I mean, he plays every position he contribute to every category and he's heavy volume. So Anthony Davis is another that has a great argument. But for me, honest will be my first paid. I think I heard you say yesterday, and I think your exact quote was the honest is going to take over the world this year. Yes. So what what's the, what's the evolution that he has to take that is a permanent shooting? Like where's the Steph that he has to take to take over the world? There's a bit of primitive shooting, but I think it's just a confidence thing I the now make is LeBron James, right? LeBron two thousand eight was probably the best player in the world. The Brian two thousand nine was a cyborg, you know, and your. Tennis last year in LeBron two thousand eight, their numbers were lockstep all year and almost all the analytics like look at. So I really feel like this is going to be Yana says he's used to this calf now. Last year Bledsoe come in and season. He had to learn how to work with the different crew this year. He's used to it, and I think he's ready and the Barnes interesting to talk about too because of course there's, oh, gee, his great basketball player, but then how many fantasy points is he's going to give you those separate conversations. And then also I go from you how he's going to impact the rest of the Lakers in terms of their fantasy numbers. Exactly. So the Braun is a monster and every the word he's a stats monster. And when you add him to a team like the Lakers last year, they had those young players, but those young players got to play and shoot as much as they wanted. Now LeBron is there he's going to be handling the ball, he's going to be taking shots. He's going to be passing the ball. So stats that maybe would have gone to some of the youngsters last year. He's going to absorb. Which does hurt their fantasy prospects, especially points leagues. Now in rotisserie leagues, the fact that they're playing with a guy who's going to draw the entire opposing defense might help. They're shooting percentages, which can help in a league like that. But in a points based league was based on volume, they, they may all take a step back and you have Joel Embiid ranked eighteenth. You have been Simmons, ranked eleven right? What keeps them from being ranked a little bit higher than where they're at? Yes. So the seventy Sixers have the process, right? These youngsters. So what's interesting is that Embiid is probably ranked higher on a per game basis, then Simmons and a lot of the people in front of him. But I mean, he only played thirty one games his first seasons league. He played sixty something last year, which was a big step in the right direction. But when I'm doing projections, I have to factor in the likelihood of how many games are played. And so that works against Embiid for Simmons. He's actually, as you said, he's not gonna on the top ten in some leaks. First round pick. And employs base leagues in particular. The fact that he's passing the ball and getting assist and ESPN standard leagues assistant worth two points. And so you know, being the point guard on this young tandem helps out his ranking interesting because different leagues, you know, sort of rank stats are waste us differently. So I know people have a fantasy team in one league and then in another they're completely different teams because it depends on who's waiting what I do want to get to the Celtics though, because you get Gordon Hayward back, you get Kyrie Irving back this season. So how does that affect everybody's fantasy value? Exactly. So the very thing that makes the Celtics into the Jimmy contenders this year is they have all of this talent. They're young talent show last year that they're ready for the big time, and now you've got betterance coming back. But again, fantasy is based all about the box score based on volume. And so if you've got eight or nine deep of really good players, it might be good for your actual team, but your fantasy team that could be a problem how to draft. On that team because you don't know who's going to be doing. But you can look at player like Gordon Hayward and say, like, sit interesting Austar, you know, you wanna league wants to trade throughout fun. And also, I mean those rota leagues, there's worrying leaks the story you're telling our producer Steve about shack, crack me up. Essentially, the two main types leagues are points base leagues or rotisserie leagues and a rotisserie league. You break it down by category. You check points how many rebounds assists, and each one of those is worth their own their own entity. Whereas points league, just add up all the volume and that's how you get your value. So a guy like shack, when I started playing fantasy, he was the best player in the world. He was doing those types. Scored thirty and fifteen and night. But in rotisserie leagues, you couldn't draft him because he was a terrible free throw shooter, and he shot a lot of free throws. Oh, is Andrea undrafted player. He was on your team, you know you were going to lose free throws and now it's hard to make up but points base, which is actually my personal favorite. He was the best player in the league. And so you know, shocked. I take you by the way this leads back to what I always say. I don't go into different era in this era. Shack wouldn't be shack would be just as valuable. Sarah shack is valuable, no matter whether it's fantasy. Exactly. That. All right. Thank you so much for joining us coming up. We, we are going to talk about the Suns eyeing Patrick Beverley to address their backcourt depth. That is very interesting, but I wanna do come out of the segment our favorite pet Beverly moment from last year clippers media day. The camera and say it's a make or miss leak. 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He is going to be joining the clippers front office because are notorious for titles. There's a lot of people would marry sort of unconventional titles. So. League as an unconventional title is going to be the executive director of research and identity, which is a role we haven't seen before in the NBA. But the clippers say, they believe that lease can sort of tell stories, communicate with people really studying no people and sort of shape sort of an internal and external narrative for their their team is going to be so valuable. What do you think of the clippers going away outside the box and hiring one of our favorite, sorta co workers and contemporary love it, and I hate it because Lee Jenkins profiles anymore. Actually, I will say this in some ways, I- extra love it because there was nothing worse. When Lee would show up to the same practice facility you were in and you'd look over at him and you'd be like, oh. Gonna write the story way better than me. So I feel a little bit of relief there, but this is absolutely awesome for Lee and he's so sensational. One of the best people in this business and he's going to do a fantastic job. I mean, I think it's kind of cool that you see someone who's a great observer of human nature, right? We know that about Lee just from reading his stories, who's smart, who's intuitive curious and team saying, oh, this is not the conventional, recognizing someone, let's let's bring that person you our front office. So that's very cool. All right, including according to the athlete, sham says that Pat Beverley is these sons top trade target as they look to fill their starting point guard position. Now, that doesn't mean the clippers are going to trade fairly. Want him. Other include Cory Joseph from the Pacers, Spencer Jim Woody from the nets. What do you guys think? I mean, do you think that Beverly did the sons makes sense. It makes some level of since get a little toughness. Get a little bit of grit in there. You got a bunch of young players that could use some, maybe a defense. Simply incapable players that they could use a little bit of a boost from something like Pat Beverley. I would think Andre. Yeah, definitely. Pat Beverley he's got that it he's got, you know, like he's got that dog and him. So that's something that the young guys on the sons, they drafted the Andrea number one overall. And that's the question Mark, can he be defensive anchor? Maybe Beverly can translate some that toughness plus they're running offense where Devon Booker is handling the ball more and more almost kind of like James harden type evolution in. So the fact that Beverly is maybe not a natural, a pure floor general, you know the type that he could go out there and play strong defense and see the ball to Devon Booker without it being a problem would make him a good fit. Of course, all the reasons you talk about besides just the basketball, then he would Pat Beverley would be good for the sons. The clippers are kinda counting on Hindu good for them in that role too. So I'm curious what Phoenix would offer them in trade that would make make that trade, but you never know these things happen. All right. Let's talk about what's coming on at the bugs under the heat releasing video of Dwayne. Finding his contract. This is going to be a retirement tour for the ages. What do you think? I like retirement tours for like ten minutes. A couple of games teeter noxious when it's like, okay, here's a pillow from the clubhouse piece of the bleachers. So I'll be good for for for a little while. Yeah, I mean, I grew up. I remember Dr j. retirement tour and there was a rocking chair waiting. I mean, I do think it's nice that fans around the league because Dwayne does have so many around the league get to see him play again as teammates and the people Miami get seem as well. We get this one last noted Russell Westbrook and his wife Nina announcing they are expecting twin girls. So I'm going to say congratulations arrested Nina. That's it from LA. We will be back tomorrow same time.

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"Welcome to the. Jim Fueled by marathon. In today's opening tip. trae young showing off the handle. Before dropping this dime dunk there. How are you GonNa Guard? That's just one. It is hard that become one of the best fees and league right now pool. Unbelievable it's one thing to shoot way shoots but to passable like that to ooh and this was not his best play of the game we will show his game in a little bit slow. appetizer for you to the jump. I am Rachel Nichols joined by the Hall of Famer. Jackie humic mullen and hey look it's NBA champion Kendrick Perkins is back. Don't Kendrick is fantastic. A because he's so much fun because because he's so smart because he put in the League so long and has a ring and deep because he played with everybody so you are going to give personal experience. I'm pretty much everyone in the show. Today we will get to to that coming up. We'll dive into trey young big game last night. Is it fair to compare him to Steph. Curry in your to Kendrick has thoughts on that as well they might be the opposite opposite of what you think. Stick around for that quiet. Leonard is scheduled to play tonight the clippers face the rockets. This is notable because it's a Wednesday night on ESPN and Leonard entered has missed the past two Wednesday national TV games to a small amount of controversy. And it's notable because it puts y two time finals. MVP and two-time defensive player the year on a court opposite former MVP's James Harden and Russell Westbrook the clash of Kawhi considered the best perimeter defender in the game versus harden who continues to score at rates that frankly can only be described as obscene. I mean it has the potential of the peace spectacular and honestly the promise of that thrill is the reason. Fans get so riled up about load management in the first place no one wants to feel robbed of what was sold to them on the schedule. which brings me to the other L.? A. Team the Lakers will tonight have Lebron James who despite being in year seventeen time and Tim Dunkin's career when the Spurs would put d. n. p. old remember next to his name. Lebron on the other hand routinely plays back to back said recently the old days McMenamin quote. If I'm healthy I play. He then added that if he needs brass toe. Get it when he retires quote. I've probably got a good forty five years. I do not play basketball. He said so. That's Lebron but Anthony Davis is another story. He will sit out after piling up a series of recent injuries it all started two weeks ago when ad jammed his shoulder on Amiss. Dunk for good. This and you can see on the close up a little bit more watch. Yeah you can feel that when you watch it. She kept playing with with though. And then this past Sunday night against playing with that shoulder this was against the raptors. He went for the block against Pascal Siaka and aggravated it. More medical. All staff examined Davis on the bench but decided he could stay in the game which he not only did he played thirty eight minutes staying quote. Hey there's never a play I don't feel it the shoulder older but it happens. I WanNa play last night. That's what you're seeing. Video of now is the Lakers faced Phoenix. He got hit in the ribs. He had to leave the floor but just long enough for him to get taped taped up by the training staff. He returned to play again. A total of thirty eight minutes. And this is why I just want to play Say It's tough from so now that makes sense. Obviously but the MAUKA floor how I try to do hard for me to lead from the sideline he says A. D. would undergo an x-ray before leaving Phoenix to the teams relief it showed no rib fractures. So yeah technically could have been available to play tonight and I actually leave bet. They convincing him to sit. Took some work Davis aware he's still often referred to as injury prone even though if you actually look at the numbers of his games missed. Due to injury three he has been much healthier in recent years last year obviously a flow anomalies with the trade request. Perceptions are hard to shake and we sometimes Z.. Players going overboard to prove critics wrong. Remember Joel Embiid. Last year. He was so eager to shed any perception that he was fragile. He overdid it during the regular season and was hobbled for much of the play offs. It's going to be crucial for the Lakers to make sure the Davis doesn't fall into that same trap. Personally I get the whole. I can sleep when I'm dead in philosophy but the truth is the human body is more vulnerable to major injuries. When it's already stressed with little ones which is actually part of the science behind loan management in the first place? It's a complicated paradox. When Star sit too much it hurts the league overall? If you keep telling fans the regular season doesn't matter eventually they will believe you but also if stars don't sit occasionally they are more likely to be off the floor later when it really matters which also is in good fortunately tonight with Lebron Kawhi why Harden and Russ were GonNA get quite a show regardless even despite that on yet another Wednesday. We'll have yet another superstar in the suit so perk. I teased at the beginning. You play with everybody. You played with a D.. In New Orleans. What is your reaction to missing? Tonight's Game No. I'm not surprised there's and I think the Lakers should monitor this very carefully on with ad shoulders it showed injury this been going on for about five years now. Oh yeah for us with his shoulder. That's why you always wet it Under Sleeve under his Jersey's this the sleeve on his Jersey but They should manage this throughout the of course of the season. Because you know he's actually hurt. So the LO management. Does you know that I agree with this force with. Anthony Davis Davis because he as we see these videos. He's hurt. He's injured But he keeps fighting through it that's AD. I remember in New Orleans. We used to have to force him to sit down now when he had a strange show. Whatever the case may be he wants to be on the court but I think this is a great decision by the Lakers? Sitting them out tonight against Golden State Oh you know at the plan. A big game last night in Phoenix against tough index steam. So I think the legs are doing the right thing right now. How funny is is that how things shape how quickly the league changes? You've seen it so many times over the years to get him against that. Tough Phoenix Suns team. But against Golden State Kendrick says you can afford to sit them out. Yeah so I'M GONNA I'm GonNa take it a step further. I think they should sit in for a week longer. You've just told me something. I didn't know that this is an injury. That's five years old. That's continuing injury. The shoulders can be and they are. They can devastate your career and in your season now. Anthony Davis has never played eighty two games. That's not his thing you know. He averaged sixty. I'm taking the ten games out from cal- he's averaged about sixty six and a half have games over the course of his career. That's sort of the ideal load management in today's NBA. I would keep him out as much as I need to to. Make sure he's healthy because you're right. This isn't about making sure your fresh and getting sleep. This is about an existing injury that could really torpedo. The Lakers chance. Yeah absolutely and that's why I asked you if you were surprised prized because I know that you have that track record with Anthony Davis and it is hard to convince him to sit because he is I think in his head always you know fighting that perception of him that he's these fragile or that he's injury-prone when you woke up this morning I know you thought he was going to play this game right. Yeah for sure I was like I'm going to. I'm going to save a set to watch. Adm Braun night night but Yeah he he wants to be at. Do you know guys read the articles guys. Listen to everything that people sell. Buy Them in one thing. I Eddie. He's a guy sure He wants to be idea. He loves the game he eats leaves and breathe basketball. He's not with all the extra curricular things outside of basketball the ball and that's the one thing that I love about the Guy But shouldn't be Lebron now see. Lebron was to play to sleep when I'm dead. Warns Yvonne All. That's all all well and good but we also know Lebron she'll be sitting just should and I understand it to I understand that's the warriors talent school but they should absolutely be sitting him as well well as as they go through the course of the season. Anthony Davis should not be influenced by the guy next to him in his locker. That are saying those you would good look without the Kendricks played with both played with Lebron. And you know that anyone measuring themself up to Lebron can do this. I should be able to do this to. They're just as different physical standard than really anyone we've ever seen in. The ASP is two million dollars on his body every year for as he got he gets treatment around the clock. I'd never seen anything like it for us with Lebron he he makes sure sacrifice that he the sacrifices he puts into his body and you know the dedication that he has unbelievable and not have been around some great players but the way he cares itself in the way he goes about is unbelievable well there is an MBA owner. Who Likes Jackie to your point of? Hey we should be taking this. Even further. His Mark Cuban's opinion on load bench. Mark Cuban to say I think it's the best thing that ever happened to the league mark. Cuban says I'm all for load management worse than missing a player in a regular season game missing him in the playoffs this park. Do you think that has a point here at all about the long game cube when again last time I was on the show. Okay cool goal. If you know for sure it's not promised to entertain but you know we kind of know the teams that's GonNa make the playoffs in the NBA. But if you're a team that you don't know if you go make the playoffs that you can't live by this low management thing like if you're the Dallas Mavericks you can just say. Hey I'm GONNA do the low management thing you don't go get in the playoffs so if you do the low management of thing that more Cuban is talking about and you don't make the playoffs. Then what happened you lose anyway away right right but I think he and I understand. You're an old school guy and I get why this is hard for you. But we have the data now we have the science. It tells us that it can make your career longer and better and you can be healthy it to get to make a playoff push in April. If I'm taking care of you in December Jane I'm not saying in what Kawhi Leonard is doing. Don't miss because that's completely different. So I believe load management makes sense but you have to be transparent about it and clearly lead. That has not happened with the clippers and so I understand why the League is upset about how that all went down with the clippers. I totally get that. There is a way to make this work. For instance I have porzingas. WHO's coming off a year out because of tornadoes sale? Who I'm going to be very careful about how I use him over the course of his first few months back and if that means I'm going to sit him mm-hmm for a game here and there? I'm going to do a parking. You and I are going to be at odds but I'm still going to do. I had the same injury is posing as I had. AC backing seven months. I didn't and sit out a game. So but my thing is this region. Jack is that is not fair to the fans in his disrespectful to the ones before who paid the way Oy you look at the guys in the eighties in the Larry Bird's in the early nineties. These guys were getting paid a million dollars two million dollars and they were putting their bodies out right on the line every single night and here we are. The fans is why these players in today's game or able to get paid thirty to four dollars a year and it's it's not fair to be so let's talk about Bird Michaela. Those guys Kevin McHale prayed on a broken foot perk in one thousand nine hundred seven. They told him the foot would displace base would get bigger and his foot and he'd be permanently disabled he is. Larry Bird used to play a playoff game. Go to the hospital and go into traction overnight and they'll go back have you seen Larry and the amount of back surgeries and troubles. He's had as he retired. That's what they're trying to save these players from. I think if you ask Kevin McKell and Larry Bird now could but I had a little low management. I think they would have said. We'll put it in a big bowl and put some apple. took part of the problem too is the terminology and freezing and I agree with you on transparency but sometimes in the first attempt to transparency. Maybe we haven't gotten exactly right and the what we all of this would change the way people feel about it first of all. There's a designation on the injury report. That's a difference between load management for injury. Illness versus load management for arrest. I don't understand that at all gotten to our into arguments with you've been office about that rest. You can take a nap at a different time of day. You don't need to rest. All load management should be revolving around health. It's all all around injury right. Kawhi Leonard Loge Management which is the most extreme that we have seen is about preventing injury. It's not because he's tired. It's not because he needs to rest. It's it's because his body and the condition in his leg is clearly sensitive enough that he plays a full eighty two game schedule he said at last year I would not have made it through the playoffs. They would not have won the title. So it's not rest to me is injury and if you WANNA call what he sits out with we expect tomorrow to be knee or Lang. Instead of loan management that would be accurate and I just think that that would make fans understand and feel better and I don't know if players have a problem with being called injured. They feel they're not or if that's sort of grew that wanted to add some humor to a guarantee you've Larry Bird and Kevin McKell was getting thirty five million for me. It'd be a lot more happy with these injuries. That is true that these people but if you're but if you're Kawai I don't think if you have a on every team you're you're sunk. I'm sorry you have a player on every team superstar sitting out that many that goes back to the big problem the league. That goes back to dewey short in the schedule. I know a lot of players against that but Kevin Arnovitz in on the show last week which I thought was great sentence. He said the players and teams are deciding to shorten the schedule right now whether the NBA likes it or not so the NBA might want to catch up in terms of what they're selling to fans and TV networks coming up. The knicks allow Kobe to drain seven seven threes in the fourth quarter last night now after falling to two and nine on the season have the knicks. Hit Rock bottom yet. How many times have I asked that question in the next year last I every play from this date in one thousand nine hundred six featuring Chris Weber? Ooh Ooh sometimes you forget how good he was so yes yea seven foot six a prescription products required online physician consultation only available if the physician determines the prescriptions appropriate. See website for full details and safety information. One of the scariest things that can happen to a guy is that first morning you wake up you look in the mirror when you start to realize you're going thin top. 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It's a maker mislead to make mislead shorter about that maker misleading. Rachel how many times have to tell you. The tired of that make movement check out the unselfishness from the heat. Look here all five players touching the rocket online dusk. Wait for way for and we'll coach San one by the way you move at is is he'd seen Lakers by the way had a record number passes last night. I think the most from Lakers team in ten years or something like that so contagious in the NBA. Right now there you go but this is beautiful. This looks really good. This team is fun to watch. Those two rookies got plant. Extremely narrow. Man Miss Everything being Tristan Thompson cases. Lew- Okay Oh oh come on you know what this is this you said the most miserable years two years and he finally finally got some. He's playing well again he would just give me give given this is obviously. That's a good game for the cavaliers. Even though they lost they were playing Philadelphia out Horford. You just tried to go into the heck villainy the broke his ankles air. You could say trae young out and running the way visit board before hitting the sidelines J and where. He turns his attention the basket. Oh Hello Nuggets bench. Nice to meet you. I'm trae young a lot by the way in his career but all have mostly flee been to set up passes right we see setting up his own people were saying. Oh my Gosh Kim believe they passed on Donncha. This kid is never going to see Mama Mama Malania. We'll discuss trade while I like his demeanor to sway respectful away. Patient Rookie Darius Garland this nice for the cavs and this puts a series of move divulge. Who by the way we all? I think. Very highly of defensively even though he's just a work but there's garland making him pay their own school. Do they used to be the Paul. Just giving everybody focused passed name. Used to be some light peer. He'll or somebody like just give people buckets old school Dan Rookie crime as last night. Make catching fire. Kobe white went on in the fourth last night versus the next twenty three points of the basketball game including including seven three pointers. You could see his. Wow Wow that's love man I believe. Jr Smith it is the only person to ever do this before three or four times 'cause he's JR Toby White. How is impressive? Right watching the bullets a lot more just because the Kobe he's been really coach was there. There was a very nice moment by the way where he gets on the Mike Mike at the arena to do his post game interview and it's broadcast throughout the arena and Roy. Here's him and he's complimenting Roy and telling him he loves them. It's Nice that explosion from Koby will be helped. The bulls outscored the next thirty-five seventeen in the fourth quarter it traps the next two two and nine. On the season tying the franchise record for most losses through eleven games Simpson again. I want to point out. The Knicks have had some bad seasons. Just this is a long now. The worst start ever coach David. Physical has been put on the hot seat but the players ours are publicly showing support for their coach. Kendrick do we think the Knicks have hit rock bottom yet. Well it could get worse though. Listen Rachel Jagged Day or six feet in the grave by ready and this has been over the last ten years I mean I like is not is unfair to coach fears. Deal of the problem is Steve Meals but as of of course as always gotta have a scapegoat and so all of a sudden you blame coach fears there when you said this man of affair you from the time that he got here he didn't he didn't put this roster together all he's supposed to do is Costa players. I mean I blame I blame meals. And how long do we have before they you know. move him out the way. He's the problem not coach fears you. It wasn't credited me after ten games. Ten then games. They have this press conference to discuss the dysfunction of their team. How about the ten twenty years on this is I've never seen this? I've never seen anything like this. So have they hit rock bottom. I'm not sure they have. So what's the worst thing that's going to happen. They're gonNA fire physed. Ill are going to try to bring someone else in. Who's going to take this job? But here's the thing you worry about. Rj off to such a great start. We agree is a great young player. Last six games in the month of November he shooting thirty five percent from the floor. Forty eight percent of the line. It's going to affect this young man. Whatever you do? Whether you stand pat you make a change. He should be the person you're worried about. What kind of message are you sending this young talented player? Well according to Frank Sola an article written just referred me to Jagger Athletic He says is the Jim. James Dolan was yelling. Steve Mills during halftime of that Cleveland. Game what prompted that as you said so unusual I don't know if people who don't cover the NBA realize we we never see management come out after ten. Gay taking game coach's Locker Room while the coach is waiting to speak and basically say that. This is unacceptable. Steve Mills has been in his position for. I believe over a dozen years and even before that he worked in the Garden Su he and Dole and obviously have a close relationship. Steve Mills work through the Phil Jackson era. Ah didn't go well. He was he had this position as president through the Phil Jackson era. And then now through this era is GonNa hire the right person for the Joe. Oh producer Steve by the way reminds me he was GM and then he took. Okay press chewing we tell you about. Should we be talking about James Dolan. Because it didn't look to me like Steve Mills wanting to have that press conference dame's Dole told him he had to do it he sure didn't look like a guy wanted to do. It always starts at the top. It's at the top so we will be talking more about this later in the show. Because guess WHO's coming in the garden tomorrow KRISTAPS PORZINGIS coming up next to we got the rockets hosting the clippers tonight on ESPN which means we got a little Russell. Westbrook wasn't beverly face off. We're going to go through all their fireworks of old and talk about what we expect after this. You WanNa stay to to see this. Hey I'm andy if you don't know me it's probably probably because I'm not famous but I did start men's grooming company called Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed designed and out of touch. At Harry's our approach is simple. Here's our secret. We make sharp durable blades and sell them on prices for as low as two dollars. 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Westbrook you guys good you gotta ask him no coming on after they got into still Jonah in this the NBA of the wwe. He was talking about. He was first team. All defense is really good player at forty two at a time. It's nice to thirty four shots to get it. Is there any more fun. I can be so good tonight to see right each other again. Of course Pat Beverley traded off the rockets. That was a couple of durations of action but still extra juice with that to perk. What do you expect from these guys? Tonight I speak the heated battle. Listen this is not fake these two guys do not like children and I think it's good for the game. The only problem that I have with tonight's nice game is that. I don't think that Patrick Beverley is going to be gone. Russ tonight. I think he's GonNa be Gone James Hord and they're gonNA put a wild Linden. Ruspoli is going to be heated. One thing about it. I know these two teams. They kind of don't like each other ready and they'll going to go in. You Know Austin Rivers Wanna go ahead. It is dead in the WanNa go carry weight. I'm be friends for Ross and I'm watching my room. So I'm I'm pretty sure like every game pre game pep beverly's at home and he's in his door and he's like a Roman candles catherine wheel tonight and stuff in his pants and so now he's like only two cats I really. I think the best thing that can happen. If you're if you're Pat Beverley is as you do your thing. And you get Russell revved up and then see where it takes. You benefits the clippers. If this kind of stuff starts well yeah and by the way. It's not just now that they. I don't remember this secret tunnel. Okay I know. It's not a secret tunnel. But the secret tunnel was between the rockets and clippers. There is animist between these two teams. You play again Kendrick. Just played with everyone Russ for awhile. What to Jackie's point? If someone can get him riled up this he sometimes make decisions decisions. That aren't the best for him if he sort of gets emotional about something. We'll sometimes he'll take more so he he wanted to take the match person And Russ has eh. You know to be honest playing beautiful basketball with the rockets of late making the right decisions and stuff like that but trust me. He got this game marked on his calendar did was his birthday yesterday. He's Oklahoma in full attack mode. He's come out you know I don't know if he's shoot thirty shots. But you aggressive Russell Whistle Komo tonight against Patrick Bev so good mel so I hear the bell that market opening bell we give you the stats bats and you buy or sell based on how likely they are to remain consistent. So it's not if you like this debt is do you think it's the number's going to go up or down. Let's start with the clippers. His offense they are currently ranked eighth offense efficiency this despite Paul George not having played a game yet so there's also improvement if you look at their shooting percentages perf. Do you buy it. Were sell on the clippers that that number eight is going to go up and they're going to get better or do you think is the best. They're going to be the yellow worse you're by you're going to go with one. I'm Paul George You beg listen you have three guys are really on the court. Without Paul Georgia's capable of giving you thirty points Linden Lou wheel and mantra entrees Herro and then we would office of minded coach like Doc rivers is only going to go up once Paul George Bye bye bye think about the thing about the game with the raptors what they did to Co.. I can't do that. Paul George Azzam's Yup absolutely offensive numbers haven't been quite as strong as expected. He's played great when he's been out on the court but I do think that putting that other star next to him especially in situations like that you heard the raptors going into that game that they basically said look we play with. Is this guy we know how lethal he can be. It's okay if they beat us but it's not going to be by him well. You can't say that going into a game. We'll Paul Jordan's on the other side of the floor bye-bye bye-bye the rockets fastest pace in the NBA. After ranking twenty seventh last year. Gee I wonder WHO's made the difference in that. They will notice their paces as much faster when oh look at that Russell. Westbrook is on the court so Jackie do you buy or sell the rockets keeping this fast paced up. Now I'm selling I am. I'm selling so hundred a pace one hundred thirteen with west gun one. Oh four with them off. I don't think James Harden this is good for James Harden. I don't think you can keep up with this. I don't think it favors him. Therefore therefore he's the most important Houston Rockets player. I think they got I. I'm sorry I sell. You're looking at me funny but I am salad suffer. Hi I'm Jackie. Listen hardware and down. No He's averaging almost forty points no wind down. Yes he can't he has. You cannot look one thing about worser Westbrook and James knows you cannot go on the court and half still Russell Westbrook. He's going to make thank you. Keep it so. James has done a great job over the past years of Allen Footsteps Lebron James and taking care of his body they have to keep a bit of this is what the rockets want. This is my Dantonio system. So I'm buying Russell Westbrook is going to you know yes James Average and forty. But I'm starting to be convinced that this is more Russell Whiz moutain than it is James Oh Kendrick Perkins. I will say to your point about Mike Dan Tony. He's he's amended his famous seven seconds or less. He says this team is six seconds or less. I think they need to keep this pace up with Ross for two reasons. To Your Point Russ's value is is only high when he is allowed to play like Russell Westbrook if you took that away from him he's just not as valuable a player and you want to maximize value on your team. You also want to maximize the number of offensive possessions this team because when you talk about how will these guys share. And how will the offense works. Everybody eats if there's more food to go around. You put the possessions down all of a sudden it becomes a little bit more of squabbling. WHO's getting to shoot? So I I think they have to keep it up to your point. We will see if they can talk about the Lakers. D They are off to a great started. This season ranked second only to the jazz and defensive efficiency. Thus far Jackie. Do you buy or sell the Lakers. Maintaining that raking throughout the season. You know what I'm going to buy it and I'm I'm surprising myself with his answer but do you know and I did not make this point. One of their broadcast there are six former all. NBA NBA players. On the on the Lakers. No they're past their prime. I know all of that but I like their defensive schemes. I liked the way. Lebron is plane when the brand plays defense. He's just the scariest player on the planet and the as they go. Lebron Goes Lebron. Does they go. And I think they've made it a priority and I think they're going to keep it up why I think I'm GonNa go today. 'cause I'm buying. I watch the same in a preseason and they was on a mission. I knows the preseason but I watched how they would playing Playing on the defense van and listen a lot of credit has to go to frank. Vogel although things didn't work out for him in Orlando Lando. But when he had the pacers they would defensive-minded teams. That will give the Miami Heat at the time a very hard time and now I'm watching. Lebron James aims take charges chase down blocks again. We'll which we haven't seen in years. You Got Anthony Davis doing the same thing you got a perimeter remedy. Avery Bradley Bradley. Look Great Day Danny Green Gray and then Rhonda and then Oh you're for sure but then to top it off you have who elite shot blockers and Deville McGee and the White House. I'm buying my go. Broke the only question about Lebron is an I know I know we all know him well enough that he was determined after everything he heard this summer. You heard I heard I was washable. You can meet meet the cleaners that quote all of that stuff. I get the eagerness to not just prove people wrong but also set an example and be a leader and show that hey. I'm actually caring about defense. Everyone should and that's important in this part part of the Lakers schedule but you can see the numbers. It's not just the eye test. The number of shots he's contesting from opponents has gone out so different than he is on the past a few years and the only thing. I'm curious to see if we get a different result the spring if he has less gas available the reason he did not play as much defensively. The last five years years isn't because he just stopped caring about basketball it because he was strategizing. I need to be a thousand percent in May and June and I don't know if he's putting his foot on the gas now is going to affect me June it might not he's overhead and that is true close for the day Kendrick. You can't spend any more money but we'll be back with another addition coming up that trae young conversation I promise you. Is it fair to compare him to Steph curry in year two to Kendrick Perkins says yes and he will tell you why from the. Hey look the jump recommends for today. Espn Chalk has a piece. 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Explain what have you look if you look at trae young right now first of all when he was coming one out of college. Everybody was saying Steph Curry. They was comparing him steph curry. so that's the comparison so when he got to the NBA. What he did last year and his rookies and I was very impressed? But now when you look at his numbers right. Now he's averaging twenty eight points steph averaged eighteen. He's averaging agencies that's the thing that separates him from still to in my opinion is that trae young actually makes people better. He capacity got downs. I wouldn't be surprised in a year or two that he leads the League in assists with averaging twenty five points like this this kid could flat had. I'll play. He can pass the ball maze guys builder. And he's completely taken this Atlanta House franchise to a whole `nother level. In my opinion you put give give trae Young Katie Klay Thompson Draymond Green and see what he do with well. That's the that's the when I say to still keep that same energy to your point there there were all these stuff comparisons. Frankly back in college and then he started getting doubled and triple teamed in college. He didn't have as good back half of the season at Oklahoma he got ton of criticism comes into the NBA has an uneven right rookie year. Little rough at the beginning first half she got a ton of criticism people saying. Oh He's not. He's not like Steph after all. What's what's the steph curry comparison? Well keep that same energy of comparing him to Steph to your point. A lot of the numbers compared to Steph in your to show a very different kind of learning curve so to me. It's too early to really talk about this. I really feel that way. I think he's going to be a great player. All Star forever. And you're right Steph. Never he's averaging eight point seven assists game steffes never done that in his career. Six point six. But let's not forget. That steph curry revolutionized the game with the way he shot the ball in fact trae young. I believe has said that. He's so. Watch steph curry place as we WANNA do that. So let's not forget that so if you're asking me right now I'm still taking Steph. have courage in terms of one of the best shooters ever seen in my life. He's a career steph curry career forty three point five percent three point shooter now. trae young shooting about forty forty percents in year two. It was thirty two percent last year. All I'm saying is I love him too. But we've got a ways to go before we should start declaring him better than Steph. No but no. I'm not doing it. I'm not I'm not saying he's better than still no. I'm not saying that. Oh I'm saying his first two years he's he's he's he's done more than what stuff done in his first two years. That's what I was comparing the first two years of each NBA of of their both of the NBA season. I wasn't saying that he's bedded edited stuff. Yes he has a ways to go to kiss You know the green either. SESA shooting percentage three point shooting right. But you know I'm just saying right now in year. Two and compared to Steph you to is is not even debatable distribute distribute and look and maybe look any of these comparisons person. You've seen so many of them over the years. So and so is the next Michael Jordan. Right how many guys went through that. So and so's the Lebron. How many guys have gone through that? None of these guys are the next to ever. No one is going to be steph curry again. trae young is not going to be steph curry. But if you are going to make the comparison coming in and to trace point until your point if if you're going to hold him up against Steph early on and say oh he's failed you have to win. He actually exceeds in some areas. You gotta give them. They both share their teammates. Love them yes they they have some swag tomb. was there also respectful of the game coaches in their teammates. And I love that about both absolutely tray circle so much fun up next. We're GONNA talk about Joel Embiid. He is out tonight on back to back. We will discuss how the sixers are managing. His is minute. And how that could end in a different result COMPLA- off time I though it's time for our second just replay of the day Rudy Gay on this date in two thousand seven alarm Oregon distant recently and you will see why clues starting Oh. Several bowling pins sure all all the boys that go. Oh let's go back. Street listens to fake Komo news coming up in just a few minutes Hang Pablo. We'll discuss if Collin Cabinets. NFL workout will end with an actual signing. Should the Rams Trade Jared Goff Davidge is shutdown saquon Barkley and competitive cartwheeling state to the Johm. Tom Is presented by marathon. Fueling the American spirit all right. A new season of thirty for thirty. 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Oh around Cagey and happy to see this kid back playing though it's really that's why he should be doing. We get to play for him now. All right before last night's Game Brett Brown said Tobias Harris Quote Minute. Jj redick which was bad timing because Tobias then shot for eleven from three versus the cavaliers. He's actually shooting a career. Low twenty two percents in this season. So is this pressure me one on Ers from the coaching staff or do you think that was to get him going. I think it was just a comment that Brett made in the now it's Accent and because it got put up doughnut but look tatum wait. One for eighteen. Wonder Fourteen. Welcome to the club and half some nights. He's get past it. What do you think Listen I am not how to buys hairs. Oh I don't know what may Brett Brown status go. God bless his soul but you know he's nowhere closer. Jj Aj really can. This is why I'm not how Philly by the way coming out of the eastern on him at all because I think they took. Jj redick and Jimmy Bullard for granted rainy. I think they really paid to buys hairs. And I don't have a problem with somebody getting paid but he could have earned it. I think they should have waited out. Because he's a guy that I feel like there could could be replaced. He's not a guy he had made an all star game a nothing today. Nature proven himself to be elite player or that type A play. There could go out there and the playoffs and get you thirty at night so I think they kind of dropped the ball on now. I mean this is an interesting to me. Because they're very different players the Butler over Tobias Harris. So I would pay butler the money over his sister's going to be under the microscope again tonight. Our league past game of the night is Philadelphia at the Orlando Magic Philly. Now a two and a half point underdog in this wise you might say why. Well they're on a back to back and they are arresting Joel. embiid plus Marquel faults will get his first real shot at the team that drafted him number one overall and eventually traded him now. They did play once in prison. But it's different when it's the real season is this a revenge game from absolutely I and I like the kid folks and I think he's GonNa come out with a ton of energy tonight anytime you play former team except for myself itself when I play the Celtics I just could never say About the gold kill themselves. Hey was just for me. But the way the the way he feels and the way more kills folks have been playing all the chatter Daddy. Oh He's GONNA come out. He should've come. I with chip on the so. We go see what he's made of tonight. See I feel the exact opposite. I think mark is finding his way. He's shooting forty seven percent now. He's averaged about nine points a game. They're smart. They're playing about twenty three minutes. They're saying we're going to ease as you back in. He's still having some shoulder issues from time to time. This kid should just play. Just take this as another game. He should just be concentrating on his own trajectory. Going Ford in the best thing this kid could ever do. Just forget about the past completely. Well there's no one game where he has to prove himself. The truth is the whole season going on his way to doing. But how about not having a breakout game against the former seen well won't be order won't be there. It's the fourth game. He's Mrs Season Two of those. Of course we're on suspension so you can't really include those it's phillies first back to back this season though and we are seeing him stick to what he said in training camp. Jackie I am not going to go overboard overboard early. I'm going to let them rest me early so I can play while later you like it. Why didn't they do this last year? They tried they all. We did. Try but you see. This is what I'm saying. You can't try. You have to tell the player I have your best interests at heart and you're gonNA sit tonight. I know my friend. He's not gonNA love that. This makes sense for embiid. I was there in the postseason and I spent a today's wrote a story about what he was going through. Just to get on the court that knee work he wasn't he wasn't day-to-day he was minute to minute. They don't that's the worst possible scenario for the six agree with this for Joel. embiid looking at his listen injuries like he had injuries. That kept up your mouth for a whole season for. There was his knee his back. Or whatever okay his foot so I agree with this one hundred percent all right this just an at our buzzer kristaps porzingis. Talking at practice. He plays at Madison Square Garden. Smile for the fans I and going through his mind. It's always a lot of pressure when things are not going right okay. It's presumed is getting cheered. 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"Well kill to jump off presented by Michelin wiper blades. Today's opening tech Jake Lehman getting fouled on the break and then we catch a glimpse of Robert Covington. And he's eating a strip off. Oh on the phone. And this led to a heated discussion about did he bring his own waffle. Someone sneak him a waffle but you think the trainer gave it to him right absolutely. They're trying to gave him that. While I was eating a gatorade ball you know nutrient between Give me energy. You know. Casey's feeling a little low energy energy or something like that so it's a healthy snacks. You get to pick what your snack which snack you infuse right. Could you go on. Maybe you won't Blueberry pancakes it might have different. Flavors though investigation is on the horizon we get into the important issues here on the show. Welcome indeed I'm Rachel Nichols today. I'm joined by our senior writer hall of Famer. Jackie macmullan all two thousand eight champion back alley. Mr Kennedy coming coming up kristaps Porzingis. I don't know if you've heard this but he's returning to Madison Square Garden tonight posing player for the first time and we want to know who is under more pressure to win the Knicks Wchs Or. KP YOU'RE GONNA have to answer that along with us. So stay tuned I though I know a lot of people know about the Clutch City era of the Houston Rockets packets but not everyone knows its origin the whole thing actually started with an NFL game back in Nineteen ninety-three the Houston oilers had a thirty two point. Second half lead on the bills but coughed stood up and lost in overtime. To this day. It is still the biggest comeback in NFL history which is great if you live in buffalo not so much in Houston. Hussein came the rockets the following year in the second round of the ninety four playoffs. A heavily favored Houston team. Blew multiple big leads in successive games to go down. Oh to to the sons. It looked like another major stumble and so the next day the Houston Chronicle's front page headline was choke city. Except then the rockets dug it out out beating the sons in seven games on their way to winning a championship and clutch city was born so fast forward to this rockets team which has seen share of winning. But also we're going to be honest honest of choking to none more so than in last year's playoffs when the rockets were supposed to be title contenders but instead fell in the second round to a warriors team that lost Kevin Durant mid series that performance was so crushing to the franchise that Houston made major changes over the summer. Chris Paul went out Russell. Westbrook came in a a Bit Chunk of the coaching staff was let go but the time we got to last season's early season sorry. Last night's early season matchup with the clippers. The rockets were out to prove they were a a different team and they did start that way jumping ahead by as many as seventeen even as Ross picked up for early fouls then well the lead started dwindling. Then it was totally gone. La went up by four. That is when James Harden scoring has evolved from ostentatious to flat out obscene. The season kicked into into gear. The man's scored seventeen points in the game's final five or so minutes seventeen and it was ridiculous. He did this from deep like it was nothing then pulled up over to Michael Green Blake. It was nothing he even took wise cookies here and turned it into a nice alleyoop for Tyson Chandler. By the time it was all over the riots had the W. Hardened had forty seven points and Houston's defense looked completely functional holding the cliffs lifts to just ninety three actually it was worse than that for la which lost not just the game but it's coach. Yes Doc rivers was tossed for arguing with officials over. How many time outs la La had a moment made absolutely amazing by his son? Austin burst into tears data up and then wade the dock as he left the court making that call me phone call gesture to him Austin then took to twitter. What thanksgiving is gonNA be Weird Awkward? Although he also later put this up on I g great win love you POPs which doc replied in the comments Hilarious love you So all's well that ends well they're decidedly less warm and fuzzy Z.. Were Russell Westbrook. And Patrick Beverley postgame these to have a long and sometimes bloody history Last night rust took another shot at pat saying this you he planned. Nobody manages running around doing nothing as you seem happy. Abby forty-seven all that commotion James Harden was actually. Oh four six last tonight. When panda was his primary defender so now but Russ is right about this? James did drop forty-seven on a team that had been ranked collectively as having the NBA's best defense in his previous five games. That is something and hardened did it not just to fill up the stat sheet but by delivering huge when his team was down an absolutely needed him to in fact act in a city that knows both sides of the spectrum. Well you might even say he was quench at least as much as you can get for game in November so I do want to talk more about that rackets defense because we've talked a lot about them when they were terrible first week or two of the season and last night perk. They held the clippers to ninety. Three points do you start to believe in what they can into an end of the court. I'm leaning their way. I'm not sold all the way You know I watched as rockets team. And sometimes they don't looking looking gauge. You know not every night not consistently. And let's be real. The clippers have struggled offensively for the last like five games so they they teams have been locking them up. You know pretty well but let's give credit. This was a big win for the Houston Rockets last night. But I think you know one thing thing that I've I see about the rockets is and if I might Dan Tony you know I would start running a couple of plays you know for life I four. Pj Tucker guys like that. You know getting easy layup so make him feel involve because once you make a player field involve then they get more engaged until the game and they don't want to sit around and just wash James do him a watch russ do him and just stand around and not be because it's always just say hey. Let them score in the run down to play defense but last night was impressive on both ends by the rockies and one thing that it showed me is that James saw saw the best score in the NBA hands down. There's not even a debate so in a matter of days because we're talking small saying is here right so in a matter of week Houston's defensive rating has jumped from twenty eight to eighteen earlier in the year teams. Were shooting forty two percent from the three point line against them in the last three Games are only shooting twenty five percent from three point. So that's what I'm looking at. Rachel can you sustain that right because they haven't done a great job at defending that three point line defensively you can do that. Then then I start really believing that you can play good defense and you got to do a better job of stopping opponents points in the paint something. They haven't done as well if you do that. I'm on board mobile too but I'm not gonNA jump The gun but I like what I've been saying over the last five games though from Iraq is there's a pride thing to write. This team certainly considers itself a championship contender again and to have people all over the League making fun of your defense and throwing up that score against the wizards and all of that stuff. I think guys who we've got two former. MVP's on that team. They're sending the message to the locker room. We got to tighten this up to your point. I don't know how long that lasts But you gotta give him credit now because they're getting done. I want to talk about Kawhi Leonard because you saw him in a clip before for he is out tonight. But here's what's interesting. We did not expect him to play the second night of a back to back but the clippers are now calling this quote left knee injury management. Yeah that is interesting because we talked on this set yesterday I put it out. They gotTA stop calling it load management. I gotta say the thing that's wrong and that if people say oh oh he's got an e problem which he does and they're trying to keep them healthy off. Jacobs a tweak there why just say left knee why do you say left knee manage it slow so you gotta you gotta you gotTa move slowly. You've got like you know more. Sicily Patrick Beverley also gonNA miss this game. You know why hasn't played a back toback since April of two thousand seventeen so that is something to note as well Do you feel better about this designation. You still feel like it's just I don't to to me. It's semantics and we keep talking about this in the in. The League is watching every single thing now in every letter and every interior being put out there and what does it's still mean. It's all still the same thing. Getting knee Patella tendon problem and he needs to be rested throughout the year the end but that I think the terminology is important. I think if you're telling fans he has a knee problem and we're taking care of your managing. That's that is something as a fan. I would feel better about these. Loan Management Designations nations this summer for injury and summer for rest. And what. What are you talking like? I I think that there. I don't think any management should be for rest. They're all health related in truth So I like like this better because we put these reports out for the fans are still forget we want. We want them to be happy because once again they're the ones that support our league and the way they did a reason. NBA is with is today. So I'm glad that they did. I can't do this way is out. But guess who's going to make his debut tonight. If you bought tickets for that clippers pelicans games. We'll see Paul George. He missed the first eleven in games for the clippers numbered surgery on both of his shoulders. This book pass off. Season is a perk. Just the other night here at Staples Center and he was so Jonesing to play. Yeah I mean you know what it's like after work and they've held them out even in the smart way to just be like. Hey you know when you think you can come back and come back a week. After that they can make sure you're healthy. What do you expect from him because in the first game back from an injury sometimes a guy trying so hard right right well I mean? PG is a is a bit but you gotta understand. He had a way whereas injury when he almost had his Korean. So you know coming back off. His shoulder injured obviously is a big deal but PG is a score And and obviously the plan the PELICANS which you could get book his own at any time I mean they pick just the truth they give up a ton of points so I wouldn't be surprised. Impressive he come in at night and have between fifteen and twenty points. I would not be surprised if he come in and have a serious impact on his game. How many minutes he play? I don't no but I'm pretty sure he could get fifteen to twenty points on the Pelicans. It's a little unfortunate that both quite an Pat Beverley out right right to me. It's like personifies defies the great things that Paul George offensively defensively hope. He doesn't try to do too much. I think that's human nature. We'll come back to you. WANNA show everybody. I'm not only fine. I'M GONNA make this team a contender. Her and all that that talk about us being the best. It's going to happen now. That right here. So if I'm if I'M DOC rivers I've got him on a minute restriction and. I'm being very careful when I play them. And how much watch I play. Yeah I mean we when you come back from an injury what sort of the biggest thing in your mind as you take the floor for the first time you just you just Kinda WanNa go idea and you just WanNa you just WanNa the do some good like. It's not necessarily that. You just want to show that you're back you want to. You want to score first book. Grab a rebound the run flow and make sure that you're healthy. I mean getting dumped would be great but you just want to just be out. There isn't that it's just the feeling of being back on the court it. It is better than anything like get the stats and everything. Just feeling the being back in the game doesn't adrenaline exhaustion. The first game out like I remember guys telling me me. That the Adrenalin of just after. Like when I came back off the Andrea a boss I got a standing ovation the first thirty seconds because I was dead tired. Like just offer Jim because I was so policy So pumped up and everything so you not Blair. PG'S BEG is Great Fun Games get. Were in absolutely coming up. The Celtics. The League's top rated offense and dropped a hundred forty last night this L. Gordon Hayward is this sustainable. We'll discuss that. I thought it was time for our distant replay from this date in two thousand eight featuring Mr Bean not that Mr being this Mr Bill Does Atkins model fools. Go take a yeah. You know mellow made of south of no man's Myth Koby the report online physician consultation are only available at the physician determined predictions appropriate subscription required see website for full details fourteen permission. 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Oh Oh uh-huh off the offensive rebound look at Casey puts up the layup. Yup whoa great right. I just feel so sorry for a good player. That's every you know I just feel everyone's out to get this guy. WHOA wait wait to yourself? He has to own Jackie. Given the more the one on the Lakers order he he he made he made me yes. Delaying Release Cepeda has given me. She continuing that conversation. uh-huh why did you bail Miss Entertainment chevelle getting fouled and we get an amazing look at courtside fan. Watch this what what you have to be to be courtside John Start. Look Out Paul. WanNa know how you gotTa Avenue B in the first few a Laker game suspension. And I'm just GonNa take guest. Might I have been a little bit too much too fast. That's what that is right there at the lake. So you watch Lebron's the money in your pocket and we're making fun of on TV. Except obviously he's very wealthy arrive. They finish Jamarat in his bag last night. You look at this passes around the rim to Kids come on already getting rookie of the year and we wanted John Rant nickname yet. Jackie about Yama Almirante. No I keep itself. I'm just going to say they do because he's liked it. He's so he's doing. This staff AFC came up with job rules or JAL ruler food reminder saying I would like to point out though John John isn't nickname which I didn't know which was released nutrious. Jamal Mirant is his real job. Because I wouldn't announce that nucleus previous. TJ Yes there you go. We're going to be talking about him a lot for the next years and years. We can think of nicknames together. You guys know that we can't have Jack Jack. mackin perk on together without talking about Celtics basketball boy. Boston is making this easy for us. They put him one hundred. Forty points against the wizards last night. That is most for the Celtics Perk. I'm sorry we're going back over your team's no one has done this since November of nineteen ninety two coming out of that Locker Room despite losing Gordon Hayward they're I in the league and offensive efficiency. You're in the middle of eighty nine game win streak have not lost since opening. Night is the Sustainable Jackie NFL. I think the winning might be sustainable. I don't know about being number one in the League in offense and the reason I say that is I think the most underrated skill that Gordon Hayward has this his playmaking ability Ludi he. This year is a career. High Twenty point two assists percentage. TATUM Brown we're going to absorb some of those minutes. Nowhere near that that is a higher percentage right now than Kemba Walker does so I do worry about spraying the ball. Because that's why they're getting great shots and that's why these guys they have so many guys. Averaging in double figures I still think they can be successful in win but I don't expect them to be number one offensively with him out. Well I do okay because we know right because listen. They got rid of the guy who they needed to get rid of career urban. And now you gotTa give much credit to Brad Stevens because he's able to coach and now Kimball Walkin these guys Aston came in and it's interesting and this this this explains this shows the world. How good of a coach Brad Stevens is when you get a group of young guys? Like tatum Brown Smart Kimball to all by the system. The plan together the ball movement that they have going around is beautiful to watch which is aspiring to watch their plan on both ends and I think they could finish number one and offencive being the best offensive team in the league because their Shanta Ball they I love playing with one another and beautiful to watch and I gotta give a lot of credits Brad Stevens because he got these guys. He's putting these guys position to be successful Kimba Walker. Because he's he's a superstar and he's not really playing like one he's putting up great numbers but he's all about cheering playing Kemba Walker. Good at I mean. Look on the Kyri thing. He left them. They didn't get rid of him. But this is where I would say to the Celtics extreme credit starting with Danny ainge and going all the way through Brad and the other players. They're left given a situation. Where the guy who you think is gonNA be your big free agent pretension? That's summer decides. I'm out of here. The way they rebounded right without doing sign and trade by going to someone else basically getting Cambe involve picking the right guy. They're having things work with their younger players. That Nadan hadn't in itself is such a huge thing to me and something that we frankly haven't seen in every franchise the superstar in this. What Danny Aines runs circles around genomes films in the League because he does things like this but the most astonishing part of is it costs them Al Horford and I thought that was gonna be a death knell for them and it isn't so give Tyson Robert Williams and all those young guys who've been clogging up the middle? Oh absolutely hell. Horford was a huge huge Robin Bain's. We've talked I didn't think it was a huge loss in love. Of course because I think he is so again. Thank you thank you so much for joining us today this week. Brian Windhorst poppin in in a minute. Here's what the jump recommends for today. Brian's coming on because he's got a very interesting story on the ESPN APP. But he's got this great story about the Knicks ex- musically using all their own words from interviews over the last year. or so. It's fascinating you want to go to the APP and read it. 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We now welcome in our ESPN insider hosted. who collected podcast? Mr Brian. We mentioned you're up on the APP the website about the Knicks. And how they got to this moment where kristaps porzingis returning to Madison Square Garden. Tonight it has been twenty one month since he was last on the court in New York he already said he's expecting to be booed tonight. Kendrick said he's not sure if he's going to be able to tell if the boozer for him or for Nick Spanish. Uh we'll see. Who Do you think Ryan is under more pressure to win the Knicks? Or it's obviously the Knicks. Not only off to a terrible start. Their coach David Fifty on the hot seat Their schedule coming up is just really brutal. A three game homestand this week. Obviously today is one of their biggest games of the year. Let's just be honest Then they have two more home home games which you'd think it'd be winnable all. They just lost of the cavs at home last week. Look it after that. Oh that's rough and I'm gonNA tell you if you push shutouts fifteen games doesn't get any better because after the bucks game that go to the West Coast. The Knicks could be in for a real real bad month here and that's why they need some positive news this week and you know it this when I started this piece I look back last. Eighteen months perk. If you go back and look with the day the Higher David Dale and watch that press conference which I did. I thought everything they said made perfect sense. I thought they had good rationale. I thought they they knew exactly what they were gonNA to do. It sounded like they were all on the same page. I actually was. I was excited about it for them. Then looking back on it it's depressing. It's depressing for us. Because of how far they've gone off and I actually don't even think trading I think the the porzingas trade was a good trade but the fact that they haven't and stuck to their plan which was to develop young players and go through the draft. They got sucked into free agency. They fell into that trap and now they're stuck. Do you think. Do you agree with that. Do you think pressures on the next given everything. Brian just kind of went through this the reason that I disagree. Why the pressures not on the Knicks? Because 'cause they they're not going to matter what kind of schedule they have they already. It's already a disaster. There's no pressure is no way that went in this game aim could could enlighten the city of New York. No it's already done. That situation is dead bird tall grass but now when you look at kp the when you look at the pressures on him he wanted out of New York they gotTa Modern New York. Obviously he's coming back off injury he's been in Dallas. He's been horrible Orbu lie down. Yeah but he's he's not he's they don't well listen so I think this is the pressures on zinc is okay. You want it out now by the comeback and show you and I'm GONNA come in. I'm except the booze and I'm GONNA come in and I'm giving you out his work and I'm GonNa get this. Win is appreciably Knicks. That situation is gone. I would not be. I don't know obviously but I wouldn't be shocked if we heard some cheers for him tonight from faithful that's just frustrated management and trying to get out and I think the way it sort of came out that he wanted out I mean. He didn't dispute any of that. I it was weird though the fact that they had already can go. She did the trade before he made the trade request class and they basically finalized it an hour to retrieve the played the night before I look. I'm thinking everytime zinc get the ball. The Knicks fans going to ball and I think every time the Knicks testable. All the fans are going. This is just what is going to be the question. If if you guys in the control and producer Steve can throw that schedule backup. I'm very curious as to win if they really are GonNa Fire Davis's Dale when they would do it because we'll just story with me. Andrew came out at the beginning of the week and they had that press conference today before basically said see mills laying the past to fill zeal dismissal. Everything I've heard from everyone else's speak has been. Yep this is going to happen normally if you are going to fire a coach you do it a soft point right before saw pointing the schedule so the new coach can and get a balance right. Yeah when would that happen here. I'm telling you the next. It's possible. The Knicks good there. I don't think that they are this bad of a team. I do think that they are better than they are showing that I don't think they're a playoff team. I don't think there is good at what they thought. That's a very fair question. I just say you confuse like like we all know we just. We just never know what's the in a month. The Knicks could be sitting there staring at five and twenty six nineteen. Did they leave Davisville. Maybe you don't maybe you don't even want it on your record. Write this point. I mean we. We know what happened in Memphis right. So we'll we'll see Andrew wiggins. Let's talk about him. Because perk here on the show. It's important we get this down here. He dropped a game high thirty ready in a convincing. Win over the Spurs. He has been impressive. He's leading the Timber Wolves in scoring with twenty six a game. So I'M GONNA start with Brian. Because Save Perk. I The feel Brian. Because you've talked a lot about what do you think he's finally figured it out. I hope so. I hope he has one of the big knocks on him. He's even amongst the physical freaks that populate the NBA. He is physical freak six foot. Eight enormous wingspan terrific athleticism. But it never showed up in the result bolt it never showed up in his defense at never stopped the way rebounded. The way deflected shots now for this little stretch time it is showing up. He is passing the ball. He is imposing his will on smaller defenders. He is taking Ghazi as advantages over and using his size he is putting up numbers across the board. He had eight rebounds and seven assists. Last it's like beyond the fact that he's averaging the highest amount of scoring in his career. He's doing the highest assists in his career. He's urging the highest blocks in his career. He is doing he is having a career year right now. He's having fun doing it so I hope that this is him as a Max player becoming a Max player. I think the history makes us a little skittish on it but there are all kinds of signs. He is coming out of the show. All right well I want to remind folks at home. Kendrick reacted last month when several people in the temporal of said. Hey we're going to prove everyone wrong this year. Let's see what Kendrick Anthony towns would. I'm sleeping and I'm sleeping with the AC on sixty in a box fan blowing in my face because guess what. I don't believe you listen. Listen they gave you all your wig. All the praise they get you out of money they get you out of coach of change. They got Jimmy Butler. It's time to put up the debut kendricks timber expenditure sixty back then. Where where is your thermostat? Currently on the T.. Wolves will listen. Thermostat is sitting at seventy and one thing to sleep at seventy Eh. I'M GONNA give credit and I turned my box fan down to level two all right so listen I gotta give credit credit's due right wiggins ball all right now and it's about time we've been waiting on this. He was the number one pick. This is what we've been waiting on. And he's he's doing an excellent job right now. He's Bali and I think him not making the top one hundred list lit a fire on them. Sometimes you gotta ruffle the feathers. It was a little bit to bring him up out of listen. I always been high on call Anthony towns matter of fact I think he's probably the most skilled big man in today's game. I never doubted his talent level but I wanted him. Don't talk about it Sh- bill about it and it's a reason why everybody was sleeping on the timber wolves and it wasn't I'll y'all gay was his reason asleep so now I love the energy. I love the way that these guys are playing right now. That playing like they. They seem like day enjoy playing with each other. I love the way the role players are playing. You know teague come. He produces COVINGTON. I like with the dorm right now but can they keep it up. That's the question like you say. Can we saying this and I think he can. I think they both on the mission but as right now turned TIMBUKTU. Ten degrees turned the box. Fan Down One level and I I gotta give them they call it right now and they plan great basketball. Well we will check in with you. As the season he's in progresses and to your point that you want to see them get this done in the off if they make the playoffs. I can't wait to see what the temperature is coming up. Patrick Beverley just a little Mac just a little bit for getting under the skin. He's sure got too hard and an Westbrook last night we will play a round of vso real talk. Don't go anywhere. Both statement. Saving money with GEICO is almost better than watching football. Think about it when you're watching the game yelling at the quarterback to throw the ball throw it Williams's wide open. Why are you doing this to me? Use that rocket arm. Come on they. Don't listen to you but if you went into a GEICO office and yelled someone please help me save some money on car insurance. Everyone would hop to it except the intern turn because it's his first day and he doesn't even have a computer yet. See better switch and save with GEICO. It's almost better than sports. I am betting Agadi ahead. Don't sportscenter at six eastern Jay Bilas. How met this? Declaring James Wiseman NL impacts his chances to return. Baker biggest problem in a potential make geico break night against the steelers at the latest developments and reactions the Colin Kaepernick's road to an NFL. Return sportscenter with Keith. Olbermann at me right after. PTI by the ball desserts on the crowd after move like that would just thought it. Was We get player. Doc Rivers on the show over talk we give you the quotes. You give emojis to tell you how true they think they are. Let's get to Patrick Beverley. WHO's history with Russell Westbrook well-documented on this program Russ plus had this to say about beverly? After last night's game hat trick your man like plenty nobody underground. We're Happy Forty seven all that commotion Guys Signs Up. Bs Pat doesn't guard anyway. I agree that there are times when Bev. It's a little bit. You know. Dramatic INS defect but demand. Defense the defendant last night to Lou. Ross I love you brody I love you gotTa ties but this be is this. Bill makes his name. This is how this is how. He's he's the bobbing in the NBA. This is how he got the big contract. Yes it's not like he's out here giving you fifteen points a game. No you're some nights. He don't even even score. made the only score two or three points and he has an impact on the game because of what he brings on the defensive. So much as I love you Russ I gotta gotTa go against you and that was you. You were in Oklahoma City for some of the early parts of why this got so is not gonNA end right. I told you and this is a this. These guys really don't like each time. Brian has said about some of these guys that oh we see this decades later. They're all be like punch shoulder during the shoulder off. Let's talk about Damian Lillard. Because he's He has played great most of this season fifty nine seven though the team has not last night. Some of Portland's overall issue seem to catch up with him. He had nine points last night. Nine points and that broke broke in two hundred thirty game double digit scoring streak. Here he is talking about Portland's foreign eighth star. Take a look here. The quotas every season is bad stretches. It's good stretches and especially for us we always find a way to turn it around. I think that's why I'm able to people level head and still be confident that we can find our way because we have done it so many times. uh-huh all right guys. Do you think that statement from Dame bs or we'll talk we got we got. ooh This is. This is one of those things. That's accurate here. Put Not true him saying we always find a way to turn around is true. They have done that. But you're not saying about this particular time By the way as a quick aside how about the raptors. Play the Lakers. Lebron to play the clippers would say lost Dame Lillard. They hold the combined those three stars they the hold him to thirty four points on twenty four percent shooting over those three games without. Wow How lowry. They lost two starters on this trip but anyway the blazers have you've done this before they have gotten off to bed starts and turn it around. I especially feel optimistic about this year. But that statement in and of itself is true perks burks Kombi S. and I'm not calling dame BIA's because he could turn it around and they had like you said Brian they have turned it around but they're they're not gonNA turn it around. This is not the same team from last year. I think they got worse over the summer. When you look at eight ten loss of me Amino they lost self curry they lost heartless they lost some key guys and then with the Injuries Zach Collins who is huge for Portland you know is only so much that Dame Aziza could do and then on top it Pat Riley the great pair rally full do and so a used? They needed a new transmission about this expensive Hassan whiteside Buick. Look and a lot of the depth that you're talking about that they lost was in part right to make that trade work financial to cast to that came out today. Br Plug alert. Tim McMahon suggest that they shouldn't look to be buying that they should look to actually be selling with this roster because collins out nurtures out that they should be selling and and that just let's move on from the season come back and try to say this about Nurik. He's supposed to come back midseason but that injury that he had and we saw it with Paul George like look. It's going to take him a while. Belong to take Gordon Hayward to be himself full season. We're talking about Seven one two hundred and eighty five pounds. Guys is a a big difference when you think about coming back. Don't just plug him in with his old numbers and old presidents. It's GonNa take him a while to back to your point about maybe two McMahon mcminn last season. WE'LL SEE Steve. Kerr definitely a gap here and worriers Ville. He's very familiar with Lebron James. He's coached against him. Informed be finals. He had high praise for lebrons. Athleticism doesn't before last night's game here's what he said. I think I've said before this athlete to ever walked this plan. When you think about it takes strength power speed durability I can't imagine I don't I've never seen anybody committing consider who I would consider a better than best athlete ever to walk this planet Eh? A HIGH BAR BS unreal. Talk those real talk. There's real talk for the first time in my life I agree was was second time. Steve Kerr. We haven't seen a guy like this in life of Brian Jones. I haven't seen a guy like this. I mean we You know what I was watching the video about two weeks ago when Brian and Katie had this flag football thing I was I I was always like this. Can't be real like we just never see an athlete like this of again in my opinion appear. So I'm with Steve Kerr on this also. Don't forget that also mildly inflate Steve Kerr's three championships over. Always I I mean look this when we get back to the conversation about you know what. Anthony Davis should do in terms of taking care of his body through the regular season. There is the idea that Lebron sets a tone for the rest of the team. When Lebron says if I'm healthy I'm playing I'm not taking resting on back to back so I'm not I'm not taking any games off? You cannot look at what Lebron Lebron James doesn't say I'M GONNA follow that plan because nobody is like him in terms of physically how they can have that sort of endurance coming up. We're GONNA talk after this break about most improve player Pungo album. Is he going to be the most improved player again after this. This has been insane. What he's done at the beginning of the season you WanNa stay tuned for that first though? Here's our second district replay from this date. Nine thousand nine hundred five shoutout hoops Seattle over from brand the Kale rainman Shawn Kemp. Look at them. Fresh plant tough as the fairy. I noticed minutes away and we will discuss whether Colin Kaepernick should go through with this NFL workout. There's Patrick Beverley own real estate estate in Russell Westbrook's heads for the spurs trade tomato rose and some VCU vans pull off a pretty epic troll of their former coach so stay tuned. The jump is presented by Michelin Silicone wiper. Blades designed for extreme performance. And last two times longer. A NEW SEASON OF THIRTY FOR THIRTY PODCASTS is here in episode one tells a story of Diana to Rossi's sue bird word and the Russian team owner. They played for overseas stories about the Tagesspiegel spy organized crime on. Listen to this on thirty for thirty podcasts wherever you get your hi counts all right the raptors. Brian mentioned it last segment. Impressive on this road trip. Three of four victories despite all those injuries kyle lowry gun. But guess what Pascal CEAC here continuing to improve. He had a game high thirty six in a win over the blazers last night now when he was here. You're in La. I asked him. I said you've already got one most improved trophy. You go in for another one. He looked Amigos. Yes yes I am He's raised his scoring by ten points. A game mm-hmm since winning. What is the explanation for Pascal Growth? It can't be as simple as I left right. Listen before the before the season started. Ah Pig two guys to make all star team for the first time a peak season McCullough and I picked Seattle Will Siachen did last year in the postseason really impressed me. I know Kuwa- got all the praise but if you go back and look at his numbers man he was putting up numbers. Was You know it was one game. We was thirteen team for fifteen from the field and I might disguise the limit for this kid and if you watch him play right now now old is he gonNa make the All Star game with the way that he has the rock of Toronto Rolling he might be an MVP conversation. He's playing excellent basketball and he just keeps improving this work. That is death breath and I wanted to create a guy that live in feel handy. There live from that used to work with crm. So hey man. Seattle could keep making me Every time I see those numbers I go get a Nice Cubans ago. Well nobody Nobody expected them to be much better but remember he hasn't he has he has been played. That's all that long okay. And his the proof that he's having now may be the improvement that future. NBA Player might experience experience when they're freshman to senior of high school. They make this big giant leap right. I mean iphone iphone love with him last season but he's surpassed even my expectations. The Originator of the Pascal C bandwagon. As we know Zach Lowe Zach put out last night past calcium last season shooting twenty nine percent on three point attempts rate from above Came from above the break. Right This season seventy-five percent rate. And he's saying he's shooting forty two percent on on those two seasons ago Pasco was averaging seven points a game so he he would go eight ten minutes. I'll touching the ball touching the ball leak past game in the night. Hawks looks at Suns Trae. Young versus Devon Booker. I am excited about this game. Both teams looking at the playoffs which was not projected necessarily for each one. But they're both seeded eighth in their respective conferences. Who is more likely to make the playoffs? Brian Are you sticking with your. The hawks are everything. I mean the Hawks in the Eastern Conference. But I'm GonNa tell you right now. In the future ear booker versus trae. Young is not going to be leap past game. It's going to be a national TV game. We'll we'll go ahead. The hawks making the playoffs but the the suspension the collins kind of swayed me away from net although trae trae young is doing their job and they on the east but I think both get in I. I think they both get in. I like I watch. This is against the Lakers and not like what they're doing over there. I think both of these teams sneak in not just fifty fifty. It really was amazing this this week to see the Lakers to a back to back with sons warriors and being. Oh well the suns game that's going to be the hard one three o'clock eastern on E._S._p._N..

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Suns Disrupt Race for 8th

"Crude oil is crude natural gas is pure. That's why Pennzoil's based. Oil is made from natural gas not crowed gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence aware tests using sap five W. thirty. Today's opening tip James Harden scoring thirty nine points dishing out twelve assists last night Jackie's the Lakers have an answer for harden if they see them in the playoffs. I would say the interest pretty clearly no. In this particular game it's a we can't stress enough how important the loss of Avery Bradley is. He's one of the best on the ball defenders in the league. Things will change for the Lakers going forward but that will not you can't stress enough how much they probably wish they had avery not just James Harden. But for a guy like I don't know Dame Lillard perhaps maybe later on. Absolutely. All right. Welcome to the job. I am Rachel Nichols alongside of our NBA reporting crew, Marc Spirit and the undefeated who is with me here in the bubble and the hall of Famer Jackie macmullan. Always. So cool when you're on the show Jackie coming up after an impressive win over the mavs doc rivers said the clippers are paying like a six. Or seven out of ten right now in terms of playoff readiness is that good or bad one discuss that. But first let's check in on the race for the Western Conference is Eighth Spot Oh. Yes. I hear it. I see look at them Damian Lillard forty five points and hit a career tying Levin count them in eleven threes last night in a ten. Point win over the nuggets Portland closed within half a game on the grizzlies for the spot in the West meanwhile, the sons moved to a perfect four no after beating the Pacers and what we dubbed the TJ Warren Revenge. Game. Warren was held to just sixteen points because De'andre Ayton who is going to join US later on in this show scored twenty. Three points, ten rebounds. So the Sun State, perfect in the bubble and in a game featured on the jump Yesterday's Zion scored twenty two points and twenty four minutes of action. But yeah, the Pelicans lost big big big big the Kings who went into that game winless, and by the way is on is listed as out tonight for the wizards he will be. Resting on the second day of back to back, also chicken on the spurs because they are playing the early game today against the jazz some early highlights from that game. Let's take a look here. Dhamar Rosen cutting through with the bucket and the first quarter. Later, we have more to Rosen. Nice. Footwork hits the fadeaway jumper and at the end of the quarter checkout Jordan Clarkson with the Wild Finish Clarkson and the nice bucket in the second quarter and then third quarter we had lani Walker with that dunk. The Spurs take on the Pelicans in a huge race for the eighth showdown ABC on Sunday and look alive looking here. Taken through. So Jackie. What what do you think as you look at the Spurs here? What do you expect from them with Gregg Popovich trying to keep this streak playoff streak alive? Well I mean the Spurs catching a break here today today's Rachel because anyone that's plane or watching this game has noticed that go bare Mitchell Royce. O.`Neil Mike Conley aren't even playing but what doesn't matter to the Spurs they've got to keep pace. He's such a great coach and they do have some veterans like Rudy Gay that can help those young guys push it along. They're very much in the mix no question about it. And I'll say this I talked to a GM from another team and he said you notice in the practice Games at pop wasn't coaching. But then pop wants the real game started coaching said that was because popular win he wants to keep that streak alive. He has a lot of pride and he's reminding us right now how great a coach he is with what he's doing with this team without lamarcus. Aldridge, the spurs the Spurs under him and pop has masterful way of making whoever he has played. Great. Yeah absolutely, and look you're right guys about who is or isn't on the court but that's going to be part of this, right? Some of these teams. Who are going through this ruling race for the eighth spot they're gonNA face teams were sometimes on paper. It would look like tough part of strength of schedule but instead, those teams are going arrest or pulled their starters and that's not just a bubble thing right that happens toward the end of the season every season, the teams that are in a tight playoff race for seating to make the postseason sometimes get breaks. Because teams that are supposed to be tough markers on their schedule resting there guys going into the playoffs. So a little bit of normalcy in the bubble member to the spurs as I mentioned, take on the Pelicans and that huge race for eighth showdown on ABC Sunday and look though up-to-date standings mark. What do you think has been the biggest surprise in this race for you for the final playoff spot out west. Those Phoenix Suns. Baby. Ray We gave them no chance. We gave them zero chance, but I talked to Monty Williams earlier today he was running around property said he needed some sun rays but in the Gen right now, two sons a burning people the foreign. Oh Devon booker is cooking but that's what we expected him offensively. But he's given leadership. He's playing the de'andre eight and haters silence them Deandra agents ball and right now he's blocking shots even hit a three. I mean look. I'm stunned by these sons but monty Williams kept them reminding them that when they had winds of two in a row or three in a row to not to take the noise push it away not pay attention to it and focus on the day and they brought that to the bubble and their focus and not looking ahead is a big reason why they're successful right now. It's interesting Mark I've talked to Monte on and off throughout this pandemic and he really liked how they were handling that lay off again, a young team, a young growing team. He was just telling remarking on the camaraderie they had even though they weren't actually able to be physically in the same spot and I think that's what you're seeing. You know we expect eight and to be dominant down low we know that Devon Booker can. Score the way he does an elite vote score what I've been impressed with his guys like McKell bridges who by the way is part of the reason TJ Warren struggle the other night Cameron Payne and Cameron Johnson shooting almost fifty percent from the three point line in the bubble. Those are the kind of contributions that I didn't expect and that's why these guys are rolling right now because it's not just those two stars, it's everybody. The rest of the way here to see go ahead mark. No I. was going to say. Also, talking to monitor today he said one of the great things about this experiences. This is the youngest team in the League and now in their hotel they're saying. Walk around they're seeing mellow CJ and dame they're getting playoff basketball. De'andre is his twenty two booker's twenty three. So regardless of what happens this experience is going to be huge for this very young franchise going forward. Yeah. No I cannot agree with you more. It's kind of what we talk about with an Olympic experience except now they're on separate teams but they're still together they sell the opportunity to be around and learn from those guys and I do think it's interesting. Are The sun's GonNa be an indicator of the chaos that we're gonNA see in the bubble because you guys remember in lockout-shortened seasons we've had unusual results, make it to the playoffs right? We all know about ninety nine the. Knicks making it to the NBA finals. We don't know with the bubble is going to be like we've never experienced this before we did know what was going to be different and the Phoenix sons that had a lot of people questioning if they should even be included in this bubble or sitting here being the ones making some noise and I just wonder if that's an indicator that we're gonNA see more upsets we're going to see more teams don't look like they looked for the first chunk of the season a fun to find out man I root for chaos all in on this I do want to move to one of the favorites though. And PG thirteen combined for fifty three points. Last night in the clippers win over the mavericks they would see the Mavericks if the playoffs started today and we say that sometimes in sports but I swear the playoffs are starting soon it's it's less than two weeks. So after the game doc was asked how his team is playing, how playoff ready they were on a scale of one to ten doc. said, that's a good question, I dunno, a six or seven. He said, we still have mantras out and then he said Jackie he said, I would just settle for having my team have a full practice I assume doc how many times has your team handful practice this season he said three three times all season. So Jackie do think doc is running out of time to maximize the potential of this roster. Well, the time is ticking, it's funny if you ask them on a one to ten, I would have said incomplete because that's been the answer all year long and you know think about it when the bubble I happened, you worried about the Lakers because avery Bradley made a very personal and I think a very good decision not to come and then Rondo is out with an injury and you start thinking wow, this is going to kill the Lakers clippers or golden. Well then all of a sudden Pat Beverley Mrs time he has to lead the bubble mantras Cheryl has to leave the bubby as we all know very famously now Lou Williams. In the bubble and then mistime time when he came back. So they have never had continuity and at some point you have to wonder don't you need a little bit of a longer sample set four continuity having said that when you watch the Waco I Leonard played in that game last night. I will never bet against lettered again ever ever ever ever. I'm not nervous about the clippers right now because one main thing Paul Georgia's here. Leonard is here and they're healthy. That's the biggest thing we gotta make sure for the clippers that these guys are healthy and also think that statement win yesterday beaten up Dallas like that. This is going to be their first round opponent corral probably be back next week. So I think what we're talking about right now doc rivers, GonNa feel a lot better a week from now probably have a complimented players have a couple of practices before the game start I think the clippers are going to be fine. Having like seven guys gone is is certainly tough throughout this process but those guys, Paul George and Leonard are here as long as they're here I think the rest will work out. Well look. We've seen it past years right especially with Lebron's when he was in Cleveland where the team would go into the playoffs looking completely discombobulated their defensive numbers were horrible right we had one year where BP gave them like a two percent chance to make the NBA finals and of course, they made the NBA finals because good teams can use those early playoff rounds if they can get by on talent, they can accumulate the cohesiveness as they go through those first couple of rounds. So the NBA even though it's in a bubble. Is Still Giving teams seven game playoff series. They are going to have the opportunity to mesh together in those early rounds if they don't run into a very hot team and so far the mavericks other first round opponent and so far. The Mavericks are not a hot team. We will see what happens they're coming up later and Bishop is after leading the Bucks to eight twenty, three point comeback against the heat yonder says the biggest challenge for Milwaukee is ourselves is he right about that stick around with me mark and Jackie to find out? The Gym is brought to you by. One day natural fruit bites multi-vitamins. Maker, Ms League. Says Day may craftiness Lakers thunder checkout this move by CPI three keeps outsca Caruso attached. Separation and I've got the wrong. I've done from the day. Could check. On I'm. GonNa. Don't do that. Man and he weighs twenty pounds. You GotTa gain the weight before he tried to townspeople like that. What's his Kim? A little time? Shall We? So, good man look you gotta teach football sometimes. What can I tell you Miss Missing? Take a look here guys, producer Danny is GonNa talk me through this right Danny? Cameron Payne. What in the world got into him. Look at last night guys he has fallen out here. I'm telling you I'm telling you. This is what I'm talking about. All sorts of little things happening to this team defensive-minded all of a sudden imagine going home and telling your kids when you get older. Yeah. Stripped coli. Gladdy, regurgitate I, I'm glad he regurgitated his career to he was known as Westbrook's dancing buddy. Now he's dancing on the court for the sons Ballin and back in this league and showing that he deserves to be here. Absolutely the bubble as a proving ground I love it or make twirling look at Kyle Kuzma here. I'M GONNA. Call this art guys look guys have hobbies maybe dancing maybe he's doing his his range. This could be the yoga that I know. The Lakers do what do you feel cow was doing here? What do you got Jackie? Flight of the Bumblebee. No No. This is the flight of the Bumblebee. Are you kidding he's going he's going on with this flight of the Bumblebee especially yellow. Got If feed made that we would be talking about it. The Go ahead coups. Studios Baby. Miss Dogs. Let's move onto. Derek Jones junior normally we're talking about airplane mode in a different way take a look here. Teammates father was going in, you know that they did right? Boy If. He would have dunk that whistle. Have came in. Would have been over. That's nasty right there That did that so much i. wish she would have wanted to dunk contest. But. I'm. That's Why But that's why he's slamming that ball at the backboard take that all you judges. Can Dump I already. Did you rob mean? Jumped too early though even with that's another guy that needs to gain some weight. So he can jump you know can't pushed off. I'm not giving Derek Jones Junior. Any dunking advice mark that's all you. If you want to do that make more twirling do you think you'll ever get dizzy doing this because you know that's been was pretty vicious. Things looked a little. League. Honest. Has got the. Janas has the best center of gravity guy his size guys don't ever get dizzy. You know why? Because they slow the game down even when they're spinning it's low. Absolutely. Certainly lead a comeback in this game, and after the game, he said that the biggest threat to the box was going to be their own selves, their focus, their concentration mark what do you think of that? I think the biggest thing is not getting hurt. They got too much to to play for two bigger fish to fry down the road. I mean, well rested I know the rest of the honest other day they arrested Middleton keep doing it. I mean, what are what are they have to prove this week? What are you have to do the rhythms find it looked good. First Round is going to be the same way if I'm but and I'm the trainer I'm nervous because the one thing you don't want to do is get somebody hurt that's their only issue right now this is the franchise ain't one since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three. Nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three. Rest everybody man let's. Go to Disneyworld do the Matterhorn Epcot it's a fiery. Need to play basketball. Analyst. Mark Are you crazy? You're going to put them on an amusement park rides? You think that's safe. He safer playing an NBA game don't. If. I'm the bucks. I am a little worried about those half court sets late in the game but I think what Jaanus is saying and I agree with him is this. If they play defense the way they're capable of plane and they jump teams and get all over get easy baskets in transition that they don't have to worry about a half court in. The final seconds of a game because it'll be that far ahead remember they led the league with a very hefty point differential. So I think that's what you're talking about. If we played our best that would take care of it and I happen to agree with him. All right. So those are some of the biggest challenges you guys see for the bucks within themselves. Who Do you guys think is the biggest challenge within the east mark you can start. Man I'm Toronto Raptors boy. They're the best team in the east. Found a pound. They're the best team got a bunch of killers on that team. They got about four or five dude can give you twenty at a time Kyle Lowry Fred Vanfleet Pascal Siachen to all star og is being is play phenomenal. We forget to Oji wasn't even here last year the Toronto Raptors. Team, in the Eastern Conference at Right now, scary esteem an NBA. Well. And my to point, they are built because they've got some big guys. They can throw it Y-. Honest. You have mark zoolander there you have surged Baca and you have all the length of Pasquale dot com you have different ways you can play the bucks and we saw what they did to them last year in the postseason, but you know what I still call me crazy. I always wonder can the sixers get it together embiid? Sixers are up and down embiid is not impede playing unbelievably what would happen? They played each other. I always I know I. Know You're right. You're right what I can't help it I'm watching you beat at his best right now I can't help it. I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm just saying that picking them now is going out on quite a layup put. Picking Them Ben. Algebra. Is Dr J. Coming back well, with Simmons Out Without Simmons I agree I'm just saying that when this embiid the way he's playing right now locked in on both ends of the floor he's just you know he he seems like an Mvp you wish that that team I don't know what's wrong with them. They haven't been able to get it together all year they made a lineup change that had mixed results, and now of course, ben is out again I don't know the sixers are always on my mind their most the most maddening intriguing. Fascinating. Frustrating team maybe ever I don't know grabbed. Out there, they have no shot. Non. We don't know. What you're going to say boss Boston I like Boston Boston doesn't have the size to match up with Milwaukee Jaanus destroys them. Now I think Brad Stevens is theory is all right. Let's just destroy them and try to stop everybody else but they haven't proven to me at that. They have the effect of enough to be able to do that. I like Boston a lot but I don't know if they can beat the bucks I just don't believe. Jackie Toronto now scare to nowhere body. Kyrie's like here's my room number. These don't care who you are. They beat up on the latest. I'm telling you these rappers joke now. That's certainly true by the way the heat would like a word with both of you but with the Raptors, also an important thing to remember is they have been down here two weeks longer than everyone else. They could not practice backup Toronto. So they have been in their own bubble in Florida even in advance of everyone they look like the cohesive team that they. Are. The East is GonNa be so much fun to watch. All Right Marc Spears. Thank you so much for joining us today. You'll be back on the show next week and coming up in this show today we're GonNa talk about who the best player is in. The bubble also d'andre is gonNA come join the show. He's really good game last night to stick with us. Tonight from the IMG BUBBLE IN BRADENTON FLORIDA TUMOUR WNBA game on espn two and the APP. The liberty take on the mystics at seven eastern followed by these sparks and as is a little wobble action for you, and now you're of the top five plays in the bubble so far this is a good one. Turns it over all bowl back in high speed I Wow. Perfect bounce pass threading the needle both squared with the beautiful pass. Grills but unable to go. In on goal he puts it away. LURCHES dunked on Bo. Goals is Kinda got up. There kept a hands down there. Put Him in a poster boy for good. And that's what they need from him. Three point shooting Williamson with a flush. And some pyrotechnics at the other end. It happens fast. From your lady Mariah both doing well but. Goodness dumped on. Just Johnson. Anderson. All Man. left-handed Justin Anderson. The outlet. In the Sohn's. Six to play. Booker. This is. Works. By Devonport. Unbelievable play. But again, that's what the great players do. Devon. Booker has the jump production staff top play in the bubble so far. So joining us now is someone who knows a thing or two about the Phoenix orgainzation our front office insider Amine Alhassan welcome my friend, and it's time for us to have a fun little segment here we're calling bull rap where we recap the bumble so far. So a mean let's start there who do you think has been the best player in the bubble so far? This is a tough one. There've been so many memorable performances TJ warned through the first three games you had obviously Devon Booker has been remarkable, but I'm going to go with the guy who's the MVP of the League already Yana sounded the cowpoke he's been other-worldly as always only could stop them is one coach system. Thanks. So I agree with you on I. Liked that is a choice and there are Others Booker T. J., Warren. So many hours I'm going to go with the guy that is literally willing his team into the postseason Dame Lillard. We know he can score and you saw it in bunches just yesterday but here's the other thing he's averaging eleven assists a game. He's being a willing facilitator and did you guys see what kind of defense played on Jason Tatum in that game against the Celtics he is given an all around performance that's going to take his team out of the playoffs I think into the age see dame. Lillard. Jackie It's amazing to hear dame after these games because he has such certainty he was saying last night. This is why this is why I wanted to make sure if we got to the bumble, we would at least have a fair chance to try to make the playoffs. He said because I know that we could. All right. Let's shift the team performances Jackie. Who Do you think the best team in the bubble has been so far? You know what? This is an easy one for me. It's the Toronto Raptors. The one thing that surprised me guys since all the teams came back to the bubble was how many elite defenses have struggled a bit on the defensive end that wasn't something I was expected Russ defensively because I think of it so much effort. But of course, there is time and involved no rust on the Toronto Raptors and the way they played defense. One thing I've said from the beginning about the bubble is veteran teams will benefit coming back into this restart Serge Ibaka, Marcus all anchoring your defense and Kyle lowry, the ultimate vet as far as I'm concerned look out for the raptors people. Defending. Array till you know the hardest thing about following up after a hall of Famer is there's nothing you can add there's no answer I can give that's more illuminating or better or more correct. He's absolutely right in Toronto Raptors and one of the things in the bubble that we should all pay attention to the offense across the board is ahead of the defense. Why because when you? Work. On your shooting, you work on your dribble you could work on your moves. You can't really work on defensive rotations schemes because you're by yourself with the Toronto. Raptors are the exceptions to that rule their defense has been phenomenal. They're undefeated there they are a force to be reckoned with. And we knew that the offense will probably be ahead of the defense coming into the situation and we knew the raptors who have been gritty all year who dealt with injuries overcame them pushed and pushed and pushed. There's a reason. Nick nurse is the favorite to win the coach of the Year award. I'm not sure why people are surprised but I do understand that we have never had a finals MVP team before that just never happened. So with departure, you understand why the raptors have not gotten sort of the respect bubble the defending champion should have, but I don't think there's any question that they are one of the teams that is going to be there at the end here we're all seeing. Before is all right not everyone has played as well as the raptors though a mean who has been the most disappointing team for you in the bubble so far Man There's so many answers I could go with here could go with. The Grizzlies I could go with the the Pelicans, but I'm going to go the Dallas Mavericks because this is a team that actually has talent that was secured seed that has an MVP candidate in in Luca, and they just haven't come to play. They have one win in their first few games here in the bubble and I just haven't seen them bring it consistently and their clutch time time issues are still a struggle for them. So I like your answer but I am going to concentrate on the grizzlies just because I love this team they're so much fun. They're young they're promising they're going to be so good and I thought they were good enough to maybe get out here make a difference even though I think it's hard for young teams to restart the way they have obviously the injury to Jaren. Jackson junior has changed everything but even so when this team was getting in trouble early, what do they do instead of attacking the rim they try to? Get it all back with one big three point shot and John marantz struggling mightily from the three point line. I, think he's around eighteen percent dillon brooks also struggling from the three point line around twenty four, twenty, one percent. So I just thought they would do better now with Jaren Jackson junior out I don't know what our expectations should be and you know what? I'm not super worried about them going forward because as my mom used to tell me look at the age of somebody, this is age appropriate in some ways are. Learning. They'll be back. They will be they'll be back. Absolutely I mean it doesn't change the promise of this team. We knew that they were going to have one of the hardest schedules here in the bubble definitely the hardest schedule of the teams competing for that eighth spot and they were supposed to because they were to have the hardest schedule NBA had never shut down. So when things get harder that there, there's a reason why we see which team is more capable the blazers, of course, having a very hard schedule here as well, and they have the agent experience to your point. Jackie to deal with that in a better way than we've seen. MEMPHIS, and then of course, the unfortunate injury as well. All right guys coming up twenty eighteen number. One overall pick de'andre from the red hot sun stops by the jump next I'M GONNA. Ask him how high the ceiling is for him Devin Booker as a duo with love to talk to him I, Oh, here's what the jump recommend sports today. CHECK OUT THE BREAKOUT BUBBLE STARS ON ESPN DOT, com Michael Porter Jr. from the nuggets Gary Drenched Junior from the blazers are among those listed check it out during the break. Man. Talk. About Ganor key the sons are causing here in the bubble they are foreign. They shut down a red hot pacers team yesterday by De'andre Eytan. Twenty three points, ten boards. Blocks look who joins us here now on the jump. Welcome back to the show De'andre. I, you have been a sensation here. Your team is the talk of the bubble. Please explain the secret to your success air. Whose money built a culture in During. This bubble throughout the whole quarantine. Just Instilling Journal playing for each other and plane as a unit stuff don't grow our way. Out just each other person knows. How did he do that? When you guys were all separated through the shutdown? Did you guys have a lot of zooms? What were the conversation definitely a lot as long 'cause is. Sometimes you just wanted to see off as hero shoots really touching Janas their coach is like that forest off and showed a lot and based I. Think the big. de'andre other than zoom calls with coach Monte. How else did you spend your off time during the pandemic show? Definitely spent a lot of time with my school coach. Working on the three ball with me pushing the ball be bound. Vena play make team a draw attention when I wrote to the basket so. If, WHO's on a weak side especially when the double team comes over, just being seen that and. It netted. The bubble win noted defense. Let's take. Tony. Yeah, you can tell you working on your three. D. De'andre you've had zero three is before the restart this season since we've been here in the bubble, you've had three three point shots in four games. So that is a very good clip for a big man of course, your teammate Devin Booker has been going at quite the clip he hit that incredible game winner versus the clippers you know the to you've only been on the court together for a little more than thirty games. This season I is this what we're seeing over these last four games are we finally seeing with the two of you are capable of together? Book definitely. Helped a lot. From each other dern fourteen definitely give it a little Greek but we definitely an advantage until we got better Is, very calm. We're very competitive where him and thought that we. Communicate on things we see in the game after game and it's really really fun live stepped on the floor with book is really amazing on that. You know he knows my game and I know I know is. Working over these four months and now we're getting busy. Take inside those conversations. What kind of advice is book? Give you what kind of advice do you give back to him to him? He just wants me to slow down and just keep him bring that approach to the game every time and Ramage's how he leaves the team and. especially aren't going away. and. So we just showed by example by taking over or just communicating it the right way in personnel who who not to yell at you got the job. All right. So Dan Dreyer, you know you've been on our show before you've watched the jump and when we get players on, we like to play a little game called. What were you thinking said we're going to take a look back. Through some old highlights of yours and you tell us just what was going through your mind. What were you thinking during? We will let Dave Pasch and Bill Walton handle the first one take a listen. Roller. down. Down could. Think. They have just call a technical on eight and for taunting after the Slam Dunk? Yes, they did. Yes. We all love a little on Deandra. What were you thinking when you got teed up after that? That was? The normal dominating yellow after they don't. The REF saw. Look down at. I was thinking like you know it was a lot of adversity college Being. Accused of things I didn't do like, no just a lot of pain and anger opera on especially against Oregon because they brought it to when we went to their home and they try to humiliate me so he deserved that. With the revenge out on that one are. is a little different it's coming from twitter. What were you thinking when his Suns Fan named Andrew? Promise he'd get a face tattoo view hit a three. Yeah I. Heard I. Heard the buzz about this game. And Yeah I was Kinda shocked didn't believe it me I'm not into trolls I'm not into trolling. So I mean I, WanNa away from it real quick and just focus on the team and stay. At our study. Big. Tattoo now doesn't. Should be. If he didn't get the tattoo step you can't slow. Shouting out to Andrew, you're gonNA he just get one three D. Andre you've had three threes in four games so far. So maybe he needs to get three tattoos of you. For joining us here. Right. I will see you on the court and the next day or two. Thank you so much and good luck with the rest of the way in these seating games coming up everyone else stick with us on the jump Jackie Max coming back on this screen she's going to just. Best. Player in the bubble has been so far. We're also running back the top five plays since the NBA restarted he ba locked in. The Gym is brought to you by Burger, King Mix and match your favorites for just five bucks. Tomorrow from the Disney bubble, we're going to have another star studded MBA matchup yawn in the funding. And the mavs eight, thirty, eastern five, thirty Pacific on ESPN and the APP or coverage to the NBA countdown at eight eastern allred. It's crunch too. I'm here on the jump on Wednesday Aaron Gordon caught a hard foul from Kyle lowry who is trying to prevent a dunk. The Collision Caused Gordon to exit the game with left Hamstring tightness now, Gordon has been ruled. Out Against. The sixers today with the injury. So that's the update on that. Gordon. Lowery also exchanged some words I mean, you saw Gordon used a bad word. They're aimed at lowry which lowry were with his room number. The idea being he should come by de I got to point out these guys are different hotels, but still do you like the spiciness between these two? I love it. Rachel and it's level spiciness. We haven't seen in decades because not all the guys to stay somewhere where it's easily accessible. You know which hotel room it is. Now you can do it I. Remember there was a certain NBA legend who wants to walk into the home locker room through his hotel key at somebody the gazing with during the game and said I'm at this hotel that's my room number. I'll see you there later. But a mean, here's the other reason we haven't seen in decades because by the time they all play each other name you basketball instead of saying I'm going to here's my room nerd. They say, Hey, remember that time we shared that preschool at that big tournament this right you know these guys they're saying, Hey I. Do you got people with me. I don't like the injury part of it, but bring this stuff on every day I. Love It. All right. Well, Jackie use your word. I'm calling shenanigans on you because during the Jordan documentary, we found out that Danny Aines and Jordan Played Golf together Oh right During a key playoff series, don't give me this whole players today stuff. Apparently, it's been going on and while. That's because Danny's a golf addict. All I know is that they have a lot of protocols here. Players are not supposed to be in each other rooms because that is considered a covert risk. So maybe they're going to have to like shadow box each other from six feet away I, I don't know. The Mavericks facetime the bed. Please the bucks tomorrow. As you just heard on ESPN, this will obviously be a tough test for them. I was at this game last night Dallas tied with the Clippers one. Oh, one midway through the fourth quarter. Then they went on to get outscored by guys twenty five to ten for the rest of the game. Yet, another example of the mavs struggling to close out a close game Isaac Lee of the Ringer. He had this tweet recently however, Dallas Maverick game goes, which is really amazing. The illustration telling the story you start. You finish out so much. Of. Thrones. How do you expect the mavs to figure these issues out because they've just got a few more seating games to do it Well Rachel. This was something unique to the bubble. I would say maybe they can work their way out of but go back and look at the entirety of this very, very odd two, thousand, nineteen, hundred, twenty, NBA season. This is how it went all year long for the Mavericks they they were the worst among clutch scoring among most of the teams so look at. Twenty one years old. I'm going to give them a little more time to figure out how we can close out. Games 'cause. Lord knows he does everything else pretty well, right now. Part of this is Lucas Growth and maturity It's not just making shots in taking shot that's also making teammates better. I still feel like Porzingas is a guy that just merely benefits this he doesn't become a better player playing alongside Luca and that'll come with time. The other thing though is this is the central, the centralization of the mavs offense. It's all lucas hands every single time down it makes it a bit predictable. So I think in time the mavs are gonNA need to develop or acquire a second playmaker someone who can get the on his hands and create something much in the same way that Lebron has had a second day playmaker alongside him. Janas Hardin they've all gone through. This is the evolution of a superstar. Here's what I liked about Luca that after the game last night Rick Carlisle praise. Luke defense. He says he's paying the best defense since he came enjoying the mavericks a reporter then turned around Luca came for his press availability and told them about that quote and Lucas said Yeah we're one and three in the bubble. That's all that matters. So I his focus is definitely there he understands the overall goal and team dynamic and we will see how they progress the league past given the night for US wizards pelicans eight o'clock eastern the Pelicans entered the bubble with a favorable schedule definitely an. To make the playoffs whoever they are also one and three so far in Orlando and they won't have cy. Williamson tonight. He's sitting four rest on the second night of back to back. So a mean where are the Pelicans in terms of meeting your expectations in the bubble? I thought the first couple of games. WE'RE GOING TO BE TOUGH OBVIOUSLY UTAH stopped they lost the they came a shot away from winning that game. The clipper game was tough because they got out class but really that last game against the Kings last night that's the one where I'm disappointed because you can't come out to a team has been Owen three and had their own issues and get out worth out and beat the way they did those are the games you can't drop you can schedule a gas loss and you can schedule Clipper lost. But the kings no, and tonight is another one against the wizards these are the must win game. That's why you have the easiest schedule in the bubble. I gotta say I couldn't agree more. I. Mean. Imagine first of all, how do you give up one hundred and forty points to the Sacramento Kings second of all how do you shoot fifty seven percent from the floor and lose by fifteen points? That's what they did in that game the other night and you know you can't start pointing to the young guys that's where you have to say, I. GotTa believe that Jj rats telling them how disappointed he is in the result and let's see if he can have an effect them guys like Brandon Ingram, they're still learning but drew all of those guys. They're the ones that are gonNA. We'll find out what they said in the locker room I worked by what happens tonight this one what happens for tonight is going to be how the veterans reacted. To this, not how the young guys it's going to be so interesting, this race for the playing game is coming down to the wire. It's exciting. As we thought, it would be we thought it would be which team is going to be able to position itself in ninth place to fight that eighth-place Grizzlies team for a play in match to make it into the playoffs. Now, it looks like we. Might have two teams in the playoffs the play in game we didn't expect we will find out as we go. All right. Thank you for a mean to Jackie to Marc Spears Andre Eight, and for joining us and shout out to the WNBA because guys in the wobble they have zero positive tests just like here the bubble both leagues doing a tremendous job keeping their players staff to that learning. See back. have a great weekend everybody.

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"Kevin place Sunday. Yeah. You can I guess we've been sort of holding out hope but might as well just say, now, I'm just not going to answer any questions about, you know, do. We miss him against this team or that team or it's just because it's just a soundbite, and it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is we have to win the game with what we have. And then when he comes back, we'll put them out there. Nothing else matters. Katie may come back for the series. He may not. But what the warriors beat so far gone by the time he's cleared raptors game. One win change everything. We thought we knew about both teams. I think the finals or maybe not so much trash talk between Drake and Draymond see more life in game two, and we'll Jeff Van Gundy. Oh, I dunno fake me later after he stopped by and we run back some of his greatest hits. Yes. Oh me. Here. Well to the job layer here live from Toronto look how beautiful it is. I got to walk along. The lakefront today. This is such a fun city to have an NBA finals at I'm here with one of Toronto rafters. Proudest alumni honored on the court last night, Tracy McGrady and the hall of Famer Jackie MacMullan those a great moment for you. Reminded me of the first time I ran out of the tunnel we made the playoffs and I team to make playoff history. Reminded me the buzz the energy that was in the building. They will special and that moment, especially also after they sing the national anthem here and you could really feel the whole country there with you. Look at team look a happy. I am I am back home where it all started, and, you know, is the very special time and this, this city is in countries on fire right now. So, so called cell, let's talk about the game. It was so predictable. Right. All the people who came out of the woodwork after the raptors took game one last night saying see the warriors do need, Kevin Durant. And those people are correct since Kevin. Durant has joined gold state. The warriors have played eleven different playoff series and they have one exactly one hundred percent of them. So to win all the time to have the outcome be a virtual certainty before even stepping on the court. Yes. If that is the bar than the warriors, do need, Kevin Durant without him. They are still a team with the best shooter of all time, one of the games craftiest defenders to other exceptional two way players ended elite coaching staff. But they're not a certainty, which was indeed clear last night as we saw Andre Igwe dollar struggle with his calf and Draymond green. Struggle with cross Calcio ago. But here's what's funny, about Golden State because they have one so much for so long opponents still often treat the warriors as inevitable, even when k D's not playing remember the rockets earlier this month playing in game six at home with their aunt freshly knocked out of the lineup and yet as soon as Steph started hitting shots Houston went into shell shock mode and seem to forget, how to find the basket or in the Western Conference finals when Portland went up by as much seventeen points multiple times, but we're clearly so freaked out that he'd double digit pad was still not enough against Golden State. They started heating up panic three pointers as, if they were the team that was behind the warriors, the warriors, just mess with people's heads band. And let's be honest. If there was ever franchise. It's a candidate for some head messing with. It's the raptors the history of this team in big moments. It's not great today. Is it nice day for Toronto fan, so I'm not gonna go ahead and list off all the times the raptors have. Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. But let's just say it's happened which made last night. So remarkable here were the Rackers watching a second-half double digit lead dwindle. Like so many warriors opponents before them. And instead of panicking, the wraps active like, oh, I don't know. They were the ones to leading the basketball game. They stayed calm. They made the right place. Go I Leonard still didn't look hundred percent healthy last night, and he clearly didn't like being trapped just like Damian Lillard didn't like it and last series. But co I may be the best in the game at playing at his own pace. Come rain or shine or Golden State Marcus, Danny green looked like vets who've been in big spots before and Kyle Lowry. Look like a guy who no longer has to carry the weight of a franchise on his shoulders, and yeah, see is just twenty five years old. But he was also born in a tiny village in Cameroon, and once you hear about everything he had to fight through just to get to this moment. It's really no surprise that. He also is not fearful of the invincible aurea of the warriors, even Drake. Who believes in Golden State so much that he has Steph and Katy numbers tattooed on his body, which I mean, I don't think how random that is has been discussed enough, even Drake was unafraid to poke the bear last night, I showing up in del Curry's old, raptors jersey. And then after picking a piece of lint off of Steffes head posting that he was gonna put the lint for sale on EBay under the sellers, name Draymond shouldn't wear twenty three. Yeah. Yeah. All the Drake stuff. Look, it's just silly off court fund. Right. But it's also one more indication that from the players to the super fans. The raptors simply don't see this Golden State team is some big scary inevitable certainty. And maybe that's just because Katie is sidelined. But also, maybe it's because for the first time in a long time they don't see themselves as a team that scares easily either so Tracy this, but I learned about the rapper's last night. What did you learn learned? There's a sense of poise with this team and just seems like there's a calmness. And like they've been in this position before, and maybe that's due to Kawai being in the finals, manage Ambien, Danny green being on this days. I mean I expected these guys come out Ratto careless turnovers, ill-advised shots. It was not of that. It's like they was in control from, you know, jump jump ball and not jump. You're supposed to say that he, he missed an opportunity. Thanks. It was just a, you know, they felt poised look poison in just a sense of calmness with the same last night. They look like they've been here before and that's because they have team act. They were down fifteen twice to the Milwaukee Bucks once on the road once at home and they came back and won those games. And it starts with, of course because I think Gino RAM when he used to say we have Diana atrocity, and you don't feel like the Toronto's will we ever quiet and you don't. But what's happened from all the other players is guys like assault who wasn't here for some of those collapses, that you talk about Siachen wasn't really part of that, either. He was too young. So this to me is a team that has learned through their coach, by the way when we get down. Why should we panic? We're just going to chip away. We played defense has seen defense this tough this much in their grill. In this postseason, I would say, no say, no, not me. These guys are long. They're switchable they had to former defensive players of the year and obviously solve a little bit away from that. But right. He is clearly still an excellent defender. When he's putting the right position to be. They had a good system setup. They didn't panic and know the warriors didn't have Kevin Durant. And when Kevin Durant plays they pretty much win almost every playoff game. They have one eighty percent of their playoff games when he says he came to the team. So, yeah, I get it. If you want to be invincible you do need. Kevin durant. I still think the worst could win this series even if he doesn't play another game though, are agree with Kevin Durant. It just seems like there's a guaranteed victory every night. He steps on the court with this without having him. They're still very good team better than the rest. These guys just have to really trust. In other guys, step up. Iggy is going to be injured. You gotta have a guy like mckanie that needs to step. They're gonna need that third guy because it just can't be Steph and clay making all the place is going to have to be somebody else. But you also can't turn the ball over sixteen times. And this is something that's followed historically, followed the Golden State Warriors, even when they win. They have a tendency to be. Careless with the basketball, you cannot do that against a great transition team like Toronto is going to catch up with you. So Kevin was on the court today. He just came out. He's actually there as we speak. We're in a different part of the arena. But we have some video of him walking onto the court doing some individual work. He hasn't done any teamwork yet. However and Seve curse said today, he said it's official now. He said we had hoped he may be possibly play game too. But he is definitely out for game two. And according to Kris Haines of Yahoo sports he cooked them back and game three game four. I mean what is this situation where they can sort of a cow? They can get in their heads. The Calvary is not coming. We need to change things or do they really do need him back sooner rather. They will want him back but it's just one game. Right. Make some adjustments. We know what we're looking at now make some adjustments. Steph has to be better out of the pick and roll. They got thanks Steve is gonna have to go to a guy like Affonso mckanie. He's just going to have to. Eagle dollar labor in on that leg calf injury. So I think he's gonna have to trust these other guys to step up and their, their transition has to be better. They don't have that many transition points in that transition defense asked to be better and you're going to think because you're pretty good defensive tune. If you're Golden State that the raptors aren't gonna shoot fifty percent from the floor. I will say this about Katie. I don't understand the narrative. Rachel, just don't Kevin Durant. Does everybody not think he wants to play? Do you think he saving himself for stop it? If he could play well. So I hear people say, well, if they lose game then he has to come back, three stop it. He's healthy. It's that simple to suggest anything else to me is unfair to the Golden State. Where's into Kevin absolutely infect Ramona Shelburne reported on, on the website, this morning that if this was a regular season situation, it would be weeks before. And so they're trying to get him back as soon as possible wants to play, we get credit to raptors is that they never had that the deflate play or, or, you know, run for the Golden State Warriors, they always just really they stayed in it. If Steph gets going, I mean, they kinda deflated that, and they never really had those guys just take the energy out of the rain. And I, I gotta get credit for those guys for defended the way they did. I mean because when Steph and clay gets going, I mean it's tough to really maintain your defensive poise and that it is a collective effort as you said, the turnovers are so many strengths this team still has even without Katie. But if they do start all dropping like flies. That's when we have a problem Andrei has been nursing this calf injury rights and standard the Houston series. And again, it seemed like he strained or did something with about two minutes to go in game one. The warriors gave him put him through the machine. They said the. Mariah's cl-. Clean and Steve Kerr said that Iggy told music feeling. Okay. And he's expected to play in game two Jackie. Iggy has also made the point that the number of minutes, he's had to play at age thirty five especially since Katie went out in the morning on him. He can see it wasn't in the plan, and Shaun Livingston whose been a great sub for them through all these championships. He's a different player now, great respect for Shaun Livingston. But he know he's going to retire at the end of the year from last year to this year, he seems to have aged in basketball years, significantly. So back to your point, you've got to rely on some of these young players off the bench, whether it's McKinney, maybe more minutes for kevon looney. I was surprised he didn't play more last night, but you have the whole boogie cousins in the room. How much do you play them? How much do you not with felt to me like they got him his eight minute cameo? But they were really thinking this doesn't make sense in the middle of a playoff series, and I agree with them. Yeah. I mean, kevon looney I think is kind of made for this series. I don't know if Kvant looney made made for anything but he. Seems like a better fit in this series right? I agree. So we'll see. Coming up, we will discuss more fireworks, maybe possibly between Drake and Draymond green and game too shocking. I though it's time for our district replay. This is from Oriel day, and nineteen ninety nine featuring the pride of Tucson Arizona. Oh, yeah. Take it away. Sean elliott. Shoulder Elliott, he players three. Great Sal, right? Forget how good he was. You know, good Elliott was, and what he endured kidney. Kidney, pre kidney think that's hidden. He couldn't even walk up his stare. Spain bow terrible recede. Right. Right. Of all people. Joe is brought to you by dick sporting goods. Your best Father's Day starts here. Bigamous lee. Make miss. Maker misleading don't miss. Miss fear Kyle Lowry taking to March Arges last night. He's the playoff leader and charges taken. He's at the hardest. One was against them beat in the second round keeps jumping in there, though. Come on. This is actually pretty big last night. Play. The body on the line, even when I play would've you the guy that always good in its charges, but, you know, I that is he's not big enough. Not fast enough. This is how you make up smart. How dare yourself to your teammates backside around take that? It's all about grit to the game. And just scorn make journeys warriors out and running and Clave. Extra step here may she, she would count the numbers. Are you serious? That's like run-up back. He's. Wait, wait, wait training dribble in between three is what we say. I do think the tech against him. We'll probably get recent though, don't you? I'm not. Why would you that he was? Meaning I don't think. Russian. You saw the rest back towards him. And he threw the ball. It did it look like clay being. Half core. Dream on gets the lay up in the rafters. Get a fast break bucket. Four seconds later. This was a theme all night, right? Have you ever seen the warriors get run in transition quite like this? They got beat up their own game last night guarantee. You just won't happen in game two. I hate to say it, but if Katie was out there that wouldn't happen either going to tell you that again certainty. What a talent. Down. Shea said that sucker down make resources along with wearing a Dell Curry rafters jersey, which was my favorite thing. He did all night, by the way, there's a reaction of, of Sonia. And Dell actually seeing him wearing it. He did also wear a black Nike armband, why because as I mentioned at the top of the show, he has Katie insteps numbers tattooed on his person with little nicknames, and everything. So do you think that he should just cover them up for the series? Jackie. Do you feel like maybe just long shirts from now on just confused by this, Rachel are you the Drake, you the Toronto guy or the Golden State guys because to me you seem like you're really neither when you got those guys on your arm? I'm just wondering Drake where you at. I mean asking not bad and your mom your sorry, but you love going on. Just break Jackie trying to break down, she's like, but wait was the Golden State fan. I thought he was a fan of this team, which is a sentence, by the way that people have said about Drake is the fan of this team. I thought he was a fan of that team. Come on. He loves all people all excellent. Loves all. As friends with those guys he's had long. He's mentioned Draymond then definitely not friends with dream on, which may be the most important storyline of the entire NBA finals Jackie because after game one the two of them we'll trash talk nose to nose. I would say, maybe the best way to say it Draymond was asked about it earlier. Check it out. He fan he taught and it gets more attention. Because he's right. So many people have complained about it like you on that any other fan knew that. Yeah. Any other fans is not Drake. So they probably shouldn't be able to do that. That's just kinda how to cook. You think there's so much talk and like the NBA need us, not. I don't I hate worked behaviors you should get more lease. But I don't mind it. It's fun for me. What he said, by the way, for those of you who can't read lips as he told Draymond your trash and Draymond response. You like it. I mean we as players we get fuel from a fan on the sideline heckling us like you have that in your DNA that alerts, you, it wakes you up, like don't poke bear told Drake before the game. Do not poke that bad because these guys are built for that. And. Yeah. So I I love before our game. You know, Drake's on asylum represent ambassador foot of rafters, and he's going to answer the bell now he's got a comet down a little bit because games who is going to be a little different story. But the, the raptors to tattoos of gold Stacy, I just can't get over this going back to that. Louis kentucky. That's what I was going to say. If I'm drain on and he's trash talking to like, yeoman. I saw that airball in your Kentucky uniform. Drop the mic. This. I mean it's funny, you say, don't poke the bear Draymond I actually thought you were advice to him last night was good because you were like, don't poke Claire Steph because they're shooters and they'll just start popping off. Dre has, which is well, I mean we've seen that in these playoffs. I don't know about shooting the ball, but his overall place, he can be a mosque on defense event. He's not gonna Laos Siaka to do what he did a game one. I agree with that triple double. But it just defensively that that's where he that's where he makes his money. He's, he's embarrassed when he likes much film. I am interested to see really regardless of Drake is, he does sometimes have a problem with length the way, PASCAL has. But he does always come back having gone back for the second game. Thank you so much for joining us later in these finals coming up one of Tracy's old friends, and coaches mister Jefferson Gundy is gonna come discuss. In fact, that Lincoln Pasco Ceac game one performance, and the biggest adjustments the four years need to make to slow down the raptors keeping back to the gym. Slam jam. Maybe dick. What do you do in warm enough for the game? I all the games I watch even when I can't get tickets it helps bring that stadium atmosphere to wherever on watching. All the daddy doesn't again. Come on Vick. Save it. For the air. We've got a game and check out vivid seats. It's the easiest way to get all the tickets to the games. You want to go to vivid seats for the win baby. Say a lot, but like the vibe that we had in the locker room in terms of everybody focusing on what they need to do differently. The overall energy, you know, bump that we need to have, and, and then go go steal game too. Welcome back to the junk. Hey, look, we're here at Scotiabank arena were on Scotiabank arena. It's very exciting for us. I'm Rachel Nichols, the hall of Famer Tracy McGrady is on the other side of the table. And look, who is joined us, your repping everything. Jeff Van Gundy, Cal hat, Houston talks about shirt and then USA basketball pants. That's right. You got to sell speed. This is your underwear sponsor. Is there something we should know the only thing that's common among everything? Get paid by no one. Okay. Good. I wasn't sure. Sure. There you go. So you were traces coach for three years, and you were starting to tell us during the break, but didn't get to it. So America's gonna now get to hear it to the one time, what trace. He coached me for three years. And it was only one time that he was extremely just angry at me like ready to rip is face off. So we're up three at home against Sacramento. They take time out. There's like about three seconds left. We have practiced all year, like we're always gonna take the foul so Weber catches it with his back to the basket mcgrady's gone. He doesn't Fallon then becomes off. He goes, like, we're switching where nonce which team so he jumps to a guy who doesn't have the ball Weber turns hits, three ties it up and we lose an overtime and the next day we fly to Miami. We're gonna play in Miami. And I told him before meeting just take it. I can barely even look at you. Right. Just just take it in that. Yeah. He let me have it in front of everybody. There were many curse words and not really because that's not my style as MAC would know. Yeah. Even killed. They're even they're just all words, we can't. And you're still upset now with during Brady rise up. And it got me fired up once again. Exactly. So you how bad it is. Rachel is when I had to talk the other assistance from not killing him. But oh, Steve Clifford Andy Greer out. See, I got him row for the show, high energy. Look, you guys heard Steph courageous now talking about, hey. He's still feels good, right? He feels. Okay. What do you think is the biggest thing, the warriors need to adjust to be okay in game two? Well, I think they're limited offensively with the weapons that they have right now. And because of their health. So I think what they have to do is they've got a guard. You can't give up one hundred eighteen points. You're going to have to lock in defensively and also take care of the ball. If you defend a little bit better handle the ball, a little bit better. You should be able to keep them in that a hundred one hundred five range, which makes it a winnable game if you get a great game from curry and Thomson, is there an adjustment evening? Absolutely again, stay. Did this earlier in the show that a phones mckanie has to get more minutes? If eagle dollar is going to be, you know, limping around. These labor in his leg. That's just what it is. You know, you get you need a third guy to help Clayton's Steph leave. Some of the pressure off them. He has been that guy defensively and offensively you go back to the Houston series, that threes that he was hit, you need McKinney to come in, because I think he can knock down those shots. And he could give you expositions on office of in, which he showed in the Western Conference five, that's what I think, I love is often of rebounding. And yesterday they hurt Toronto was second shot that led to threes. So a big factor in the game. And I think cousins if Igwe Dell is severely limited. I think cousins has to be able to give them quality minutes eighteen to twenty four because I think they're going to need the punch, and I thought his picking and defense was better than people want to give it credit for. They always want to nitpick his defense. I thought he did some good things. It's tough though, if you were in a little bit later in the show, just how, how, and when to use him, and how much she can be used in all of that stuff. Brutal brutally hard decision for Steve Kirk right to try to integrate him back in, in the midst of finals. I mean, that is a tough tough coaching decision. I want to get to the other side of the ball to though, because look welcome to the NBA finals PASCAL Siaca, right? Stole the show thirty two points shooting eighty two percent from the field. What do you think though? Can you continue? That is a blip or a trend this something, this kid can lay out. He's twenty five years old, the above the break. Threes, I don't think we'll continue on. But if he gets layups in transition, he's gonna keep making those, and he went at Draymond green a couple of times, as green tried to influence left and he finished with his left. And he took that challenge on. So I think they've got to do a better job individually, but most importantly, they gotta take away his transition layups. You can't give guys who who need confidence to bolster their jump shot confidence layups. And that's what I saw last night. I was watching a game before he scored a point. He was kind of hesitant about taking outside shot once he got. Easy basket like, though the weight of a world lifted off this kid's shoulders. And you got to create some doubt. You know, you got to create some you got to pressure on him. Have him start out over five so he don't feel comfortable taking those outside shots because he was real comfortable last night. As of course, what we heard Steve Kerr yelling at his team. And that physician defense come on guys sort of thing. I mean, look, I will say dream on seems to have a problem when longer guys like that go at him. He's so crafty, though, what adjustment do you think it's going to make? How will I think it's going to be twofold, they got up and they really pressured Draymond green when he had the ball and a couple times, he took them off the dribble? I think he's got gotta be not just a ball mover. But if they're going to pressure the ball hard, he's got to go buy them and create place for himself or others. And then defensively I wouldn't get on Siaka m- side and try to influence in left or right. Green is such a good defender say square in front of him. Move your feet and make him finish over the time. See, from, from Golden, State know, the play that they always get what they come pick and roll Draymond is in the middle of defense, and the pressures on the back of that beef and they thirty lot. I don't think they got that one time last night. And I think that comes back to their ability with Toronto because they're so big. They switched that pick and roll in green instead of putting two on curry pocket pass four on three. Now, they, they made them because of their versa Tilleke ability to switch take that away. And then make one on one. That's funny. Steve Kerr keeps saying the team, I would most compare the raptors to is us. We've been. So busy looking at Houston as the team built to beat Golden State. The truth is that messiah Jerry built this team a lot like Golden State and being long switchable bodies that can go around everything and play defense that way Houston on the other hand has not fared quite as well. Especially of late. Mike dantonio reportedly ending contract cots with the rockets, then Tony told reporters, both sides could not come to. Terms on an extension, but he does plan to complete the final season of his current deal. Jeff, you always have to say about coaching contracts. Do you think? Mike stays in Houston are numbered as a sign of this. I don't I think what's going to end up happening is, you know what happens you lose. There's frustration and frustration divides. And so, I think as the summer goes on, I think cooler heads will prevail. I think they'll come back around to negotiations, ultimately, I think they'll hammer out an agreement. That's fair to Mike because one thing you are what your record says you are. That's what Bill Parcells said long ago. And Mike's record in Houston has been absolutely stellar. They haven't been able to slay Golden State yet. They have some things they have to do roster rise to make that a better chance. But they have something good going. And it's hard to win at this level that you see there that makes done, they gotta keep going. And they've got to secure Mike future. Should I let you give your opinion in front of your old coast trays is gonna point out to you? He's a stellar record during the regular season. I think he's done a fabulous job. I mean if you look at the last two years of what he was able to accomplish and is run into the juggernaut now Kevin, we don't know what's going to happen to Kevin Durant. They beat everybody else. They just can't get past Golden State. However, this year, they should have been passed, Golden State, Kevin Durant goes out game five UN, Golden State. You have to win that game. But you come back game six and Houston. There's no Kevin Durant in lineup. And you lose that game. Coaching and you gotta help hold your best player accountable. You watch some of these plays where Chris Paul has ball. He's bringing it up. James harden is just floating. He's not he's just interested in office. If he doesn't have the ball, he's not engaged. And that is on coaching to get you would allow me to do that. You would never allow me to have Rafer somebody the ball. And I'm just focusing on offense and not say anything to me. Well, the one thing I would say to that. It you need voluntary cooperation from your best players. I didn't have to coax you into to try to do that. You did that because you knew that's what gave us the best chance to win. So whatever Mike thinks his best they have to all players your best players. They have to champion that. So if Mike says, let's say he comes to the conclusion in the summer that they need to move more, and they need to get the ball side to side, and he wants to play less isolation. James harden, should be all in these not if, if he says, we need to isolate more in the summer, then Chris Paul's gotta be it. Those three people Mike dantonio James harden, Chris Paul have to be aligned in totality because it's hard enough to win in this league. Even if you are aligned, but if you're not aligned on the major things it makes it very challenging, and you know that it doesn't seem like they are. Right. I don't think that James harden. Chris Paul had some big fight in game six. But there have been multiple people is that they heard them having a back and forth about which direction, which Thyolo play they should play. There is obviously over here on this side of the table who don't think the style of play with that back and forth is, is James C p. He wants James to have more movement. I, he knows eyeso- ball is not going to beat a team Golden State. You just not going to championship that way in this been proven see p wants more movement out of the player and the ball in order for them to be successful. That is just going to be the friction because I mean James harden average thirty six points individually are he spectacular in his offense, but to win a championship, he's gonna have to buy in and do some more movement on offense event as the world turns in Houston side. This will I think you're right. I think it will continue to develop. I just don't know which direction through the summer, but we will, obviously keep an eye on. We've got a little breaking news as well. Speaking of coaches, the NBA heads, find the LA clippers fifty thousand dollars for. Violating anti-tampering rules. The fine comes after Doc Rivers make comments on Koa Leonard back on Tuesday when he was on sportscenter. He compared to Michael Jordan. Do you think that was tampering? Tracy. I don't care. I mean I don't blame him. Whatever I gotta say to put that in mind that we want this kid, you know, I'm going to sit fifty thousand dollars to forty billion dollar owner. Right. Just eat bomber. The thing I would say is don't allow them on the shows don't allow months port center, don't allow them here because if you're asked a question why shouldn't you give an honest answer? Right. And if you actually think that Leonard is going to be influenced by some, Michael Jordan, quote. I think we're a bit naive. I but the thing is, so what are we asking our coaches to do lie? Look. Yeah. I make these cases all the time. First of all, it is insulting players intelligence. It really is to say. Oh, wow. Doc Rivers compared to Michael Jordan, who is going to pick up his entire life because of that. Oh, Paul George had no idea that the Lakers had some extra sour Spacey, had no way of knowing that until Mike. Magic winked on TV because he's just so foolish. There's no way he would know on his own that's insulting to these players to think that they can be. So easily manipulated. And frankly, they're so much tampering that happens in this league. And so many other ways you think all these guys magically agreed to deals at midnight on July first to criticize, you're so. Right. Because he's answering a question. I just I don't like these tampering rules at all. First of all, you shouldn't have a rule that you can't enforce so you have tampering rate, but there's no way to enforce it tampering is rampant all year long and there's nothing the NBA can do about it. So it's the illusion of disciplined right here. So if Doc Rivers, he could say to Hawaii uncle on the phone can say I think he's now do, I think duck is Pinocchio. Does he actually think he's Jordan? But I don't believe also that he should be fine forgiving. I mean, they ask them on these shows he's promoting basketball, let him speak. And by the way, having Doc Rivers talk about basketball is a good thing embassador of the game. I think we have so many former players who are now involved in the league and current teams which is a good thing and. Then we're telling them they can't talk about basketball, right? You've Danny Ainge. Danny is a great resource someone. I'd like to hear talk about today's players he's not allowed to Magic Johnson. Obviously that was something. He found very chafing working for the Lakers, Larry Bird, working with the Pacers for a long time and couldn't talk about other guys. I'd like to hear those guys talk about the best things about the NBA is that the greats of the game are still around the game. I want to hear them talking to and about the players in the game. Speaking in one way or another, you are completely right? All right. We gotta take a quick time out. But coming up, we will have a special edition. I don't even know Jeff knows this is. Good e what were you? We don't want to visit. Tonight on sportscenter at six eastern. Stephen a Smith take on katie's return valid necessity for the warriors to win the finals. Plus why James Winston is facing maker break season with the butts and the story behind the Saint Louis blues victory anthem. Gloria sportscenter. He'll coming up after PTI. This is totally United the country. Oh, everybody from Vancouver, all the way to Newfoundland are paying attention to this. So that's what makes the raptors such a unique team. Two thousand eighteen NBA finals, a series film. It has. Candidates team. And the have been waiting a long time for this moment laws. All the raptors have arrived on the NBA final scene after twenty four seasons in the least great pride in their basketball in this country. All toronto. Lasco. With a thirty two point Dave first appeared to the finals. Game. Grass. Man, everything looks good and slow motion like that. I wanna live my life in front of the phantom Cam. We're gonna have game to the NBA finals on ABC and ESPN app. Raptors of course that one to nothing coverage starts with NBA countdown at seven eastern. Check it. All right. Welcome back to the jump. I am thrilled to say along with Tracy McGrady. We have his former coach our own analyst, mister Jefferson Gundy. I thought an honor of you being here. You should favour games here at the jump, which is why were you thinking the JV g addition? So Jeff, this is a setup. I already know what were you thinking? What was running through your mind? The first time you got the coach against your big brother. Stan, I was in Houston, and they were Owen six coming into the game Dwayne Wade's rookie year and pummeled him. And so I felt a little bit bad, but not that. Do you think the younger brother, never feels bad? It's like the Serena Williams thing she never feels that bad whereas, Venus. Oh, said she felt bad beating up on her youngest a deep. Psychosis from getting beat up as a young guy too. Are your kids like that? All right. You do work are sidelined from time to time I wanted to get your thoughts about what were you thinking? When coach Gregg Popovich, hugged you during an interview. Dot caught me off guard that caught me off lesson here. Seriously? Never been so nervous to my life. So I asked all the sideline reporters right now. No all the sideline reporters what to do how to approach you. They said explore your feelings at the end of the third quarter. So are you. I'm glad you're. He did ask him to explore his feelings. I was just so happy. They were up twenty going into the fourth right? Can you imagine? If I was trying to do an interview with them down seven like MAC platform. I, I don't think that would have gone over. Well, I think I would have had my head down and just given up one word question because he would've given a one five yeah, he did. I think you do. Well, I'm just going to see the happiness on his face guy. Ever seen. Back to the story. There you go. All right. We buttered you up enough, right? We too nice ones. Good. Okay. You know what we're getting too, right? What were you thinking? Jeff Van Gundy, when you tried to stop zone Eljay from fighting twenty one years ago. So here it is. And you're watching it, and first of all Miami is was such a dirty team. And we were we were so nice and, and. We competed with honor. But anyway, so, you know, wouldn't criminals plead temporary insanity. That was me. I have no thought are no remind remembrance. But if you would've seen Oakley, and I saw him last night, he was like he was just smirking at me. What is this do do it? You know. I mean he's gonna get killed and thankfully, I had guys like him looking out for me. So I could act tough, but actually not have to fight morning. Can you imagine if they said, yeah? Go ahead. Go ahead. Let's go. Listen plan for him for three years. I understand in what way. I mean he's he's just a fireball. He's tough as hell tough. Toughest nose Civiletti. You guys as players who are all particularly large humans. Let me tell you something not large humans. Listen when this man walks in the room and the practice. I mean he has grown men no of freight seats laugh at his jokes and just be themselves. I've seen it's your walk around. Eggshells. Oh, no, no, no. People loved, like I was hug, Huckabee type of guy Popovich, Hugh. He means business our last, what were you thinking Jeff what were you thinking, when Tracy had perhaps one of the most memorable moments of his hall of fame career drops thirteen in thirty three seconds, speaking driven have not sure what I mean but not to have time speech post game. I'm I'm going to hold off on that. But first of all, this is against we had played such a horrible game right up until this point and the shots, you're seeing. They look like oh yeah. Okay. I remember that. This is Bruce Bowen Dunkin, the elite of the elite. He's got four guys even the basket it was a joke that Burt showed his incredible ability and you know what his shot making wasn't even his best thing. Like I said, I was saying to him on the plane ride in LeBron James, Rick berry and, and MAC. They'll something common they all gonna score at this. Hi, high level like big time score. Not even close to their best rate. It was their passing ability. He is one of the elite passers to ever play. So you see those scoring things I could have put together a tape on the passes incredible. Kyle Lowry did give his props for that just onto on Wednesday. I want to know though his post-game speech. Like you live you delivered thirteen points with, like one of the most, you know that one of the greatest comebacks in NBA history. And he completely just shot it down and have been post game we played so awful. I'm telling you. Shot it down. Don't be, you know, don't get all high off one guy's roic Stafford. And just. I mean he was just going off this. It was like a one man wrecking crew, we had played, so awful, like you know, they say you got to like honor the process while the process sucked that gate just be happy. I'm be happy in front of the team. He basically he just killed us. I mean he didn't give no high FIS. It was none of that. But I'm sure in the coaching office. This is like we we still. Wayne used to always pay in line because, like he would always say, like, hey, don't get so worried about how it happened, just we gotta w and so he was always my like guy who like keep me on in line. And that way really we hope that not only now now is older and wiser sought not anyone actually already our second instant replay today, because the guy that both of, you know, well, Ben Wallace, two thousand six from this date. Take looks. O'neil deep, the post lots of. Strong Strom then Wallace chunky billets Chris Webber people who should be in the hall of fame for a hundred shock went with two hands. 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Our next WNBA game tonight at ten o'clock eastern over on ESPN, two Brittany Griner in the mercury host Asia, William Wilson and the Las Vegas. Aces Ourika guys raptors took game one at home. I'm put your money where your mouth is. How many more games, do you think the rafters will win this series three really do? You're going for the record. I thought they would before, because of homecourt health and rhythm I thought they had all these advanced advantages coming in the series Toronto insincere. But he got Katie doesn't come back before game four five. I'm going with three as well. Okay. All right. L the interesting to see, I know people are certainly hoping tomorrow night, they can win because I think that's going to be such a huge momentum thing for Toronto this, I mean, the building Sunday night, this building is going to be so loud. And so crazy. 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Previewing Finals Game 4

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Previewing Finals Game 4

"Crude oil is crude natural gas is pure. That's why Pennzoil's based. Oil is made from natural gas not crowed gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence aware tests using SA Five W. thirty. STAGE, I'M READY Inspiring victory for the Miami Heat. Whenever you asked me to do I can do. I slur bringing the heat. Giving I I just wanted to clarify it looked like you said, you're in trouble is that what you said? Checks. Checks. The night. fell out better. We have another opportunity to take a commanding lead on WHO's. As. Welcome to the Jim presented. Welcome to the jump indeed we are coming to you live from the court were game. Four of the NBA finals are going to take place in just a few hours. I'm joined by NBA champion Richard Jefferson, wherein his finest bubble wear and the hall of Famer Mr Vince Carter coming up guys. We will discuss I mean I'm I'm inducting him now. Future Hall of Famer. Kurt. He's going to be there but like Gosh it's can we wait I for my sake wait We can we can do nothing say we'll talk about the Lakers trying to get back on track after game three stick around for that first though we're going to start with one of the heroes for the heat and their win Sunday see what I did their hero auto and nobody's ever made that joke entire heat season I sat down with a twenty year old rookie yesterday take a look at our conversation. They must be celebrating down in Miami. Firing victory for the Miami Heat. So. You guys have reset this series. What looked like it could be heading toward sweep instead is two to one and Jimmy Butler told me afterward he said the differences now we believe we belong here. You see it that way. Definitely down to everyone's taking this going to be a sweep. But we came out with a lot of energy last night and. You know now we know that we can play with them. To one our mentality definitely definitely different now, and now we're excited to get the next game. I know you have seen. Photos video of yourself. What happened at the end of game three? Can you do it for me right here now can you do this? Go on. Like it was just a moment I'll think I've ever done that in my life before I just did it. You're twenty years old and you still have a little bit of a baby face. So you know what the Internet did with that Charles. Yeah. I seen a whole bunch of so last night with the with the face I made Like I said I've never made that face before my life. It just happened in the moment of things I guess that's NBA Finals will do to you. Who is the person online who's been seeing about you or tweeting about you? That's really famous that you're like Oh my God that person is watching me. I always like to say weighed just because growing up like I grew up in Milwaukee but I always was a he then because of the delayed and for him to really be watching me I, know I played but he like this to see him no tweet about me and things like that. It's just Some, people try to front like I was always a fan of this team, but there is a photo of you. Think it's like four or five years old. And he? Is aware that every day every single day and then? One day I asked my parents if they could like get someone to paint my wall like, Miami, Heat. So My homeroom was Miami he when I was like four or five. Crazy. So what does it mean to you that you get to go out and we're that? Jersey, for real day the moves everything you know you hear like. The organization talk about the culture and everything but this is feels good to actually be able to wrap that word and represent something that truly does no matter. You and I on the court after one of your real big games earlier in the playoffs talked about your confidence. You Walk Around telling people I'm the PUCK. Hits. Your teammates call you swaggie. I was looking up stuff about your twitter and I g. your twitter handle has the initials are definite which means rich and famous, which would be appropriate now. But Tyler, you vote that handle when you were six trader when you were in. Sixth. Grade. We're has this confidence in yourself from I'm not even sure it just does happen just who I am. I grew up like this like you said sixth grade. Asthma Asthma. twitter handle but like I said I just grew up like this so I am. You're Jersey sales have gone through the roof. You've been one of the most popular jerseys during these NBA playoffs we were talking before this interview, your instagram followers you game like a million and a half instagram hours in just the last year people who are just getting to know you were GonNa Watch you through the rest of this finals. What do you want them to know about you I'm confident. Obviously, you know that But I just like to win at the end of the day. I love to win. Try to do whatever it takes to win Give my teammates and coaches, and you know we know as a team what stage we are at right now, and now we can't take it for granted and at the end of the day, we just WanNa win. Thank you so much to tyler. It's the kitten. One I think is fun personally by the way his little brother texted him after that game with his own snarl imitating your brother Tyler is pretty awesome tyler teammate Bam out of bio upgraded to questionable for game four tonight. Now he is, of course, Miss Game Two and three of the finals with next trains slash shoulder. Injury and while Bam said yesterday he is quote trying to get back as quickly as possible. He added the decision will be made by the heat medical staff now spoke to him and he said that when they tried for game three to test them out, he said, okay, do push up. Bam. Could not do the push up at medicine how he knew that could not play game three. We'll have to see what happens tonight Vince, how cautious would you be with Bam all the steak right now? You know. eighty five percent Bam is is what you want in at worst. Fifty percent you know don't. It's bigger than than than this. This right here I know they WANNA win they. They found a way to get a win. So they still bought themselves another game. If he plays he he. He brings to the table now the pick and roll. It plays a big factor which opens up the floor for Jimmy one on one but for the shooting as well because you have a decision to make men defense when he's rolling to the basket, he's alive threat which which sucks in the defense which opens up three point shooting. So He's definitely an asset to the team but. If. He's not healthy. One shot from Dwight Howard rolling down the paint like we saw last time. You know you mess up the career and the future of what Bam is really building right now his legacy. So I I'm sure the Miami Organization will be smart about that. But what I'm going to say this and also with him in the lineup though you now can put him on a an Anthony Davis because you've seen and you've tried putting a Leonard and or or Lennox on on Dwight Howard and you cannot put some size and athleticism like Obama on a on a D.. So he definitely helps their team if you can get back. Yeah it it. It's tough and this is why game three was so important for the Lakers because if they're down three. Oh. The heat are down three Oh. There's zero chance that you go out there and play Bam at a bio at seventy five percent, right? You just don't do that. The chances of it are super super slim. So really with the Miami Heat did they bought more time for Bam bio to get healthy into hopefully come back I'm not I think if he can go. Yes that's great but. Even, then if you're down three one, we've seen it before but Bam comes back one hundred percent healthy crazier things have happened so you want him to try and give it a go but also at the same point in time you bought yourself a little bit more time and look he needs to sign that big deal. Right. So that's the other part about it being a free agent. Are As bold will be signing. That that that Mac. Will get he's going get it. That's the part where you want to be even more cautious. So he'll be restricted free agent and a couple of summers, but he could sign the extension this summer and look the heat are going to be as careful with him in his future as he himself will be because it's their future to rate and expulsion keeping him out of game two three was the hardest decision he said he's ever had to make a coach wasn't also to ask you to think about this. That's true to your they gotta think about this. They're they're T- they have this team again next year so they'll be a year better with this experience. So you don't want him to have an injury where he's out a whole year and you take a step backwards. So I, think the he you know for sure I think the heat organization would do that. Make the right decision. It's hard though because Richard you've talked about the fact that you got to the NBA Finals as a youngster and then how long did it take you to get back thirteen years? It took a long. Time though you're talking about one, it's just saying it's it's hard. To say this position. WHO's decision? Is it? I mean it's he says it's the medical staff the medical staff said do. He's so say, yeah, you're right. I wish your. Position. Have shot me up right. But you're playing the wing position though think about that. Now he's playing the post position where. I live. Into people agree that's all for the entire. Pencils not kid ourselves. He's still a crash crash test on me. We're GONNA take a quick break stick around for US though we're going to be playing the stock market. Later in the show, we also have a special surprise for nineties, bulls spoons keep it locked will be back in a minute. Game for the NBA. Finals tonight nine o'clock eastern six Pacific ABC ESPN deport does and the ESPN APP coverage starts with NBA countdown thirty Eastern, and I will be on the sidelines throughout the game. So come check us out nine o'clock on ABC. I want to shift our attention over to Anthony Davis struggled a bit in game three. AD. Scored fifteen points only. Nine. Total shot attempts had some foul trouble and he was in minus twenty, six, thirty, three minutes played. So Richard How the Lakers get Anthony Davis back on track to Anthony Davis can get Anthony Davis on track. Right? Let Let. Let's look at this Kelly Nick who averaged eight points a game in the regular season is averaging twenty points a game in the. Last two games. So defensively, he hasn't been a sharp and I'm not saying that he's the only person guarding him but the four man that are the four five men that he's getting matched up with playing. Well, he's just kind of struggled to get his rhythm, but there was a lack of aggressiveness even if you look at in the first quarter him and. Bron both turn the ball over at time. Anthony Davis has to keep it simple I. understand that it sexy that he can shoot a step back eighteen footer, but that's not what's going to dominate an abuse the heat him down on the block, really hitting the offensive rebounding glass and really just dominating with the physicality. That is what's going to get him going again. And to add to that I. Think you know like you said getting a d. going you feature him in the first three or four plays at the start of the game just to get the ball hand just to make the decision I mean he's he was he's been ultra-aggressive particularly in game one in game two and and so you want him to to get the ball and just go to work immediately and just just feel good about himself whether he's putting the ball in the basket or making plays getting the ball to their to their star players because you know. If he doesn't stay out of trouble, they can find themselves in this situation again. And this is again where we see Lebron play a role also Richard, what do you know about the way Lebron works they D- In between on the days where he hasn't had as good a game well, I can't speak for their relationship because I was never on the team with them but just as far as his his involvement with teammates just Anthony Davis knows how important he is in Rhonda's a very, very good job. You see him do you know ultimately throughout his creer of lifting players I'm telling them how important they are and what is really really needed. But this is one of those moments in time where you know Anthony Davis has to be. On. His own a little bit right. He's got to figure this out because you know Lebron James is always going to be the individual that's going to be like, Hey, you can do this. It's like no at one point time in game two, he was eleven for twelve in here we are before game four talk about how to get Anthony Davis going. Right. I, mean. And with Anthony. God. Oh well, let me say this if you if you look at that. Clip Guy who was walking beside him is another guy who can help motivate and put them in the right places Jason Kidd who was a champion in a great motivator in his own right? You know he does it not really on the court he's more. Efficient and Shows his worth off the court. So I feel like he has a lot of people around him but I agree with the RJ at the same time you take all of the information but right now in his room as he prepares for for game four is when he should get himself prepared and just say, Hey, I'm gonNA. Go out and be the dominant Anthony. Davis. That I am and we'll see what happens but being tentative doesn't help. That doesn't help the Lakers this go we we saw we saw it with some other series when we saw like in the Denver series where we have like to we bounce or three rebounds even if the Lakers win those games, that's not your best version of Anthony Davis he knows that everyone knows that and it's like well, how do we get? Them going on the rebounding side. Well, you don't that that's effort that's hustled. That's focused. That's intensity, and so here we are in the NBA finals and we know how good he is and that he is really and truly the key to the Lakers winning a championship. So only he can find their motivation. There's nothing else their hand and he's playing at. This level. So they need the MVP level performance from him because he is worthy if they were to sweep. And he put, he could be the MVP. So if he gets back on track. That's what they need. Well. They're not sweeping. We know that now right my he'd say about that. Richard, we don't need to see the. Head Up Next, we're playing a final decision as a market Jay. We'll discuss whether we should buy or sell. Jimmy buckets join in D.. Wade is the only players to average thirty in a single final series. Think about whether you want to get on that train Richard. Already know my answer. How about that? Body Body. Slowly. Welcome back to the JOE. Presented by Dell. We get one night. Up this onto. Masterpiece Jimmy Butler forty point triple doubles tonight in an NBA finals game. Best Game, your career what was your mindset? I don't care about a trip I don't care about ninety I. Really don't know what to feed from Flood Alert I WANNA win. We did that I'm happy with the outcome jumper from. The top percentile of competitors. In this entire association with us, we have an ordained drives. All sweet fake from Jimmy Butler turns at scores He. Wants all this. He's right where he needs to be. I think we realized that we belong they can't be beat dogs. We do what we're supposed to do but come next game I know they're going to be so much better. We got to be able to match that energy that man been relentless he has been unstoppable. You just saw some Jimmy Butler highlights. You know we can't talk about the finals without bringing in our hall of Famer Jackie macmullan. Welcome back my friend way for. Their Joe the. Opening Bell, we give you the stats you buy or sell the trends continuing and I do WanNa start back with Jimmy Butler who is averaging twenty nine points per game in this NBA finals. If breezes ever just just one little point one, point thirty, he would join Dwayne. Wade. In thousand six as the only heat players to ever average thirty in the final. So Jackie let's start with you. Do you buy or sell Butler joining weight and averaging thirty? I'm going to sell Rachel not because I don't think he can do it. You probably could but that's not how the heat play. Jimmy Butler place. You know the reason he got his buckets was he was surrounded by four shooters. Now, what are they going to do it? They're going to start doubling Jimmy and he's GonNa make the right basketball play. He's going to dish it out and let his other guys score. Say. Go ahead you go. Okay, you're a sweetheart. This is my thing I think that he looked if the heater going to win this if the heater going to win this, then he's got an average thirty but will he I don't think. So for this reason, Jimmy Butler came out and said, he doesn't care if he scores any points he hopes that he scores no points and they win so he can just sit up there again and say that I'm all about winning. That's the most important thing. So it might be forty in might be fifteen in Tennessee's he's going to do whatever it takes to win. So numbers and trying to get to thirty I just don't see it. Here you. It sounds good. But if Jimmy Butler Butler doesn't play lucky played, they won't win. They won't win. So I'm buying I think he has to play I think he has to play an elite level because when he's aggressive when he gets into the paint and he draws those double teams now he frees up those shooters who who have been struggling and the Lakers have done a great job of just getting into the airspace of their shooter. So he has to play at that elite level and I think he can do it. But I think you can have both things. Fans right. He can continue to be that aggressive and we know that he. Teams where? Hangs back sometimes because he is trying to get his teammates involved, he hangs back too much. He's gotTa keep going into the from the sturt another team. You could come out slow. No no no, he's doubled I I do agree also he is going to pass out to those other guys. Wait. Right I mean the other guy were comparing him to this is not the Dwayne Wade that was part of the heels was young flash. Back, and remember how he used to just himself at the hoop and then fall down get knocked down seven times climb back up eight that kind of thing down to. Series they were. And he got that finals and the are, let's get to the guy who we will. We most likely see guarding tonight right? You're Ron James. We'll be guarding Jimmy Butler bron nearly averaging a triple double in these finals used just shy of nine assists per game right now, the only other player in finals history to average triple-double as Lebron James Back in two, thousand, seventeen against the warriors. So Vince, do you buy or sell Lebron triple? Double? I'm for sure for sure for sure buying this especially now. With them being so close ad not having the MVP game that they needed. To defer to two AD Lebron's going to make plays make sure he gets his guys can involve. We know he can get the rebounds. We know he can get this this when he wants to and he's GonNa score when needed late down a means getting ten twelve points nothing for him we've seen him score sixteen points and they dominate. So I I think for him he's just GonNa, to just kind of manage the game as it goes but. Putting his imprint from start to finish all categories so I'm by. Rachel. So we we've seen Lebron a million times before after a bad game, what does he do? What's his head down and gets everybody involved especially, Anthony? Davis. So let's just have a little math lesson. Led the League in assists at twelve point two assists a game. Let's say the series five games. because. Ten cents or more while the six twelve assist get some right where he needs to be tennis for the series it's going to happen I'm going to say it's going to happen but because they need this they then you said in order for the heat to win, they're gonNA need more games maybe not a forty point triple double but they're going to need more of a performance closer to that than anything else from Jimmy Butler, the for the heat that went in order for the Lakers to win, they're going to need triple double broad he's GonNa create so. Many opportunities, not only for Anthony Davis because that was one of the things we talked about earlier. How do you get Anthony Davis going early it's about getting him shot, getting him easy buckets and those are typically created by Brom Rondo. So that's going to be assists and the no shooters gotta get going. That's going to be created by Braun and Rondo. So I just believe that in order for the Lakers to win, there's going to be needed to be triple double brown in order for the heat to win you know Jimmy might have to get that average up to thirty. This is what I was talking about. Though with the triple double everything, you guys are bringing them in. In the last segment is he feeds when we've just seen it, we've seen him feed a d. over and over especially after ads head not as good a game. All right. I want to talk about Dunkin Robinson the Miami sharp shooter fourth in three point shooting percentage this season at forty five percent that remained pretty consistent most of the playoffs. But in these finals guys, he's now to twenty five percent from three just five makes on twenty attempts to Richard Buy or sell Dunkin Robinson's three point struggles continuing I'm gonNA. Say This I don't care right because Dunkin Rob sitting I'm not even answering the question. I'm saying Duncan Robinson is so good at shooting the he creates space whether he makes it or missing, and one thing that you saw there was very consistent regular season. The number went down a little bit first rounds. The numbers went down a little bit and then here in the finals of numbers at its, that's because you're getting more and more attention and you're playing against better team. So his struggles yes they are going to kind of be up and down and they'll have his moments, but ultimately, he creates so much space for Jimmy to go do what he does. So Duncan Robinson never scores a never scores the bucket, but Jimmy gets thirty eight and they win he's doing his job. Sounds good. I'm buying as well. I by the because I just feel like the Lakers have put a lot of onus on getting into his airspace making the shots tough from. Yes. He's getting a few of them off but he's not shooting them in rhythm and I feel like right now he's he's he's trying to get up there. He's forcing I'm not gonNA say these. What five twenty right now and he hit a few late in game three. Once Jimmy got going. So I I think he's depending right now he's going to have to depend on Jimmy Butler getting going. In if they can get Bam out of bio back, I think it opens a opens up to three point shot for for him and Tyler Heroes. So I think it's a lot depending on other guys right now. So I'm buying saying that he's he's going to he's going to struggle right now until otherwise. Another thing to remember. Vince I'm I'm. Don't sell that idea and here's what. I'll tell you why because you're talking about tyler going off, he struggled a bit if he starts getting hot and you want me to score all these points that you guys keeps as going to score. That needs someone's GonNa, Leave Dunkin Robinson's free and something else that Duncan Robinson does. It's very underrated. He it's a great screen for all those other shooters baby. Some will set for him in game three and one thing. This is this is Jackie. That's a great point. The last thing I'll say is Dunkin Robinson. His offense is often created by the Goran Dragic Picking Roll and then Dunkin are in the bathroom role so you get to pick a role in the. Defense pulls in and then that's where he makes you pay. So without that crucial part to their offense, probably their best offense at that's where he feeds. So we can't be surprised that he's not getting nearly the quality attempts normally gets also guys he was undrafted tall I'm not trying to hear any. He's on the biggest stage right now we're not hearing sob stories. But. I understand if it takes them a minute to get going here what he's earned he's earned the right because he was undrafted. He's earned the right to gain all of that attention. What he's done, his shooting has been elite. Out, so he's he's really he's in the Scott Report. We do not want this guy coming off a double screen or pick the picker screen or being the next guy swing for open three. He's earned that right because he's shooting the ball that well. He has I'm just saying he's not we can't expect him to be Klay Thompson and Steph curry is all the expectations should be realistic in Dallas that market closed for the day we will be back with another edition soon, guys here with the recommends for today's Zach Lowe on how the heat are making the Lakers path more difficult in the NBA finals, and here's a mind blowing stat from Zack's article the Lakers have run just three Lebron Anthony Davis, pick and rolls in this entire series three, three Zach breaks, it all down, read it during the break, and then we'll be right back. But it's tonight tonight. After work. ABC ESPN. Board. And the ESPN APP. The Lakers are up to one against the heat, our coverage thirtieth NBA countdown eight, thirty, eastern I'll be on the sidelines back game. Come see US nine o'clock ABC two nights ago. The Lakers favored by nine over the heat but then khuhro snarled Jimmy went nuclear. It was one of the biggest upsets in finals history. So what were the other ones? Let's take a look. We're GONNA win the back. Three other NBA finals, upsets of the last thirty years, two, thousand, four, the Pistons and eight point dog against the Lakers at staples. Game One, they want eighty, seven, seventy, five that school that scores just a throwback score. Eliminate your nets. Thanks for that at least we took them to seven. The Lakers couldn't even do that work. Their trash I'm kidding Laker fans. Say. They had it all. Jackie Chan Wook Jesse's ability. Man. To a simpler time. down. and. Back then. I know. Darvin. Favorite over the sixers by twelve and we all know what happened Allen J.. T. Vince knows a little bit about didn't. To. This year. Here. I thought. So one shot away but I tell you what? The sixers chance I tell you. Alan Iverson turn some heads when they got it done in at staples at that. Pound. For, pound yes There was there was nineteen ninety-three. This is the other one game. Three of the finals bowls up to nothing playing in Chicago were favored by eight over the sons but search arles leading phoenix to that triple ot win Jackie what do you remember about this game? Yeah I was just that Game Charles had a really bad elbow were worried about for a while if he's going to play the guy that won this game for him was thunder, Dan. Twenty points. Huge baskets in ot. Kevin. Johnson played sixty two minutes. I, know we're and we're sitting here talking about load management for somebody sixty to. Let your. Accent I was in seventh grade. These Phoenix player. Oh. Yeah. Thunder Dan I was in seventh grade. They were you know all the new member the Phoenix Suns had that other triple ot victory against I wanNA say the Boston Celtics in like the seventies. So that's all they talked about for the. Group that team is responsible for Richard joining us now so we can blame them as well speaking though of the Bulls Dynasty Espn's at the last dance, the Emmy winning outstanding documentary series. This is news folks it is going to debut as a limited time BLU ray gift said on November tenth you can pre-order and now at ESPN DOT com get the last dance that easy to remember and the four of us have been blessed with these advance copies gift set you guys can start boxing show everyone all the goodies inside it if you. If you preorder Vince, Carter will either deliver them to you. He will sign them or he will sign them blamed Dan Marley for what you're hearing right now I want to tell you what is inside here. Seriously, this is what's inside the gifts at a twenty eight page gallery book that takes viewers into the action. The photography is stunning. Pull timeline captures all these. Last dance also included over four hours of extras and bonus content that you not getting in the original rollout out just in time for the Holidays Limited Time Blu Ray said, it's a great gift great gift. I'm buying okay. Here's the. Guy. Jay Still. fishbone. Yeah. That's pretty awesome. Then did you learn more about Michael Jordan in the last dance from watching it? Man. Let me tell you and from Jackie macmullan frankly in the last dance. Right. Exactly. I mean. It's it's one thing watching. I was. Right around the corner from playing When MJ finished at that time and you know you watch it and you see about those dynasty in the Bulls and what they accomplished, but it going behind the scenes and seeing what they were going through and I tell you what the Pistons rivalry in the beaten that MJ took. Didn't seem so bad when you were watching it back then. But when you watch it on the last I was like this is like this is like unreal this is wrestling. Percents. Jackie I don't think you could learn any more about this era considering you wrote the history books on it but was there anything about watching any of the footage where you were glad that they found a certain piece of video or a certain moment in time? When you know it's funny about you look back on it and you forget that it was a three ring circus through all six games. What other team has to deal with one of their best players disappearing to Vegas for days on love it literally loved it and and you forget some of that. So. Amazing feat with four extra hours. We're going to learn about. The behind the scene stories you can preorder now espn dot com slash get the last dance an honor of this. It is time for a special distant replay this date nineteen ninety-three. This is when M. J. Retired for the first time only we knew that worry no down. Johnson and bird add their reasons for retire leaving his window remains open for a return. Michael, Jordan marched into the Bulls practice facility Wednesday morning to announce his retirement and the ensuing processional was a veritable. Who's who in the NBA There was commissioner David, Stern, and Nike Chairman Phil Knight. Teammates. Coaching this is costing me. People. That has followed me that. When I lose Sense. Share since of to prove something as a basketball player. It's time for me to move away from the game of basketball. I can guarantee you people may not believe in five hundred people be saying Michael, and that's the way it is and this like it's GonNa be. One. Dominant. and. The the other names on the back of jerseys change just keep rolling on. Curious cannot bring can you cannot speak cannot. Without you one of. The Joe. Is presented by the new X. P. S. thirteen. Every little thing is everything. Welcome back. We of course, have Richard here with me in the bubble Vince joining us from Atlanta Jackie MAC coming from. New England and now we welcome in the mayor of heat island Amine Alhassan who is Supposedly, joining extra south each. Standard. Island since he was elected to two thousand. Sixteen. mean. How confident should he feel right now? A little bit more confident in. Now with this connection that broadcasting no, here's here's a, here's the deal. Rachel. They've weather the storm. The worst is behind him ban might be coming back They've improved every single game they've played and here's the thing to reasons. Defensively they've found blueprint of making Anthony Davis playmaker where he is not comfortable and employed a ski not they're even that come back with Jimmy. Angry dollar and with Jake powder. This is very active at stripping down at the ball and not letting anthony. Davis get comfortable as long as he doesn't catching near the basket on the other side of the ball Bentley keep harping on the the three-point shooting and how the average shot enough or shot at well enough and that's fair. But the reality is, and as we see the numbers here, they're actually making an taking way less than they did in previous now but the reality is this when the defenders are hugged up on. There are opportunities at the front of the Raymond in the tank and Exploded out to perfection in game three. So if the Lakers WanNa take away to three pointer, Miami has to be focused on getting to the free throw line and get to the front of the ring. I mean, we thank you the Internet. Thanks you that term. Does. Not. got. Dr Best. Oh it certainly is. The NBA finals tonight. We have game three of the best of five Wnba finals tonight, seven o'clock eastern on ESPN and the APP these. Excited for this Brianna. Stewart, and the storm looking to complete a sweep the aces the as though have the league mvp they are not lying down. This is going to be a good game on Asia Chris Time here on the job. Sue Bird. Let's stick with the W turned forty and ten days has not slowed. Her down averaging thirteen assists per game. The WNBA finals, Jackie. Just how impressive is this? It's incredible. You know I really think sue bird turned into Tom Brady. A little bit said if i WanNa, play a long time I'm going to take care of my body. Changed my diet I to rest when I need. Do all this. You know what she had to sixteen six. I texted her and said incredible can't believe you're still doing this and typical sue bird she answered back Still, GonNa win one game that is. Such. A little say we had her on the jump during the shutdown and her diet that she had improved also included a lot of red wine. So maybe that is the secret certainly is working for Lebron James. Alright Caesar's William Hill sports book releasing their odds for the twenty twenty one season. Already we don't even know what it's going to start and the sports book has the Lakers listed as the favorites Vince to get it right. I mean, if you look at the teams and if you look at the five teams, they're all teams that have they're they're. Pretty much core guys coming back. So when you have a Lakers that have the best player in Lebron and then. Top Five player in in a D and then you look at the clippers who have the returning squad with Kawai knows. That you have to give that to them right now you have to. First of all like they're just doing this, you can't pay attention to this one because you know there's free agents you know there's drafts and on top of the clippers don't even have a coach yet. So it like, yes the Lakers should they. With the Lakers are the Lakers up to one in the finals right now spat is offered because las. Vegas knows Lakers fans liked to bet on the Lakers. So therefore, they are offering the chance to do in a whole other way. We don't know who's going to win next season. You've got in Golden State you've got steph coming back in full form you've got klay coming back at full strength they're going to have the top three draft pick Milwaukee. Absolutely right Yana says that he wants to stay there for another euro by the way in Brooklyn you have Kevin Durant and Kyrie irving the Miami Heat. Something to say about next year The Philadelphia Seventy Sixers I listen to DOC rivers press conference. Yesterday they think they have something to say about next year everybody can have something to say I mean they can listen to this show. Best True. That's Say. I'm I'm talking about. Nine teams can't have something. Rachel's point but it's hard to bet on next season. But you know Lakers fans do like to bet on their team and I'm thinking the sports books like to have them do that. It's prediction time right here on the jumps. Jackie back up going to start with you who you got and game for and why. I'm going to take the Lakers game four because when when Lebron plays poorly and gets cranky and goes home and events real and imagined demons critics, he comes out and he always place great. That's why the Lakers I'm going to say I'm GonNa say the heat are going to win in a blowout. And by a blowout I mean. I. Think. I think the heat going to even I think the heat are going to even up the series tonight I still think the Lakers are going to win this series you know but ultimately I think the heat are going to tie it up. Prove me wrong lake show. I'm. Jay I will say this if the Miami he can get an eighty five percent Bam out by. That strengthens. This Whatever it is you're trying to do right here but I can't. Recall. To do yeah whatever you try to do right here but I think you know with Anthony Davis not playing well Lebron with all the talk with all of the outside noise of. Korean. Stuff. He's motivated. He's probably I know he's sitting here waiting to get on this court and that triple double that we talked about earlier. That's what we're GONNA see tonight I think the Lakers. Prevail tonight. Jackie, how would you balance it with Bam and what the heater dealing with right now, they certainly have a window in this series to even things back up they've got a young man who aggravated an injury from an earlier round and they've got Dwight Howard out there who is going to be ready to go right at him. We saw what happened in game. One of Bam has been asking and asking to get back on the court he even came out and warmed up for the last game and they would not let him Erik. SPOELSTRA. said it was the Tupper he'd had to make what do you think that they should do? Well. Sometimes, you have to play save the player from themselves and I think this isn't a leg or an ankle. This is neck injury and can be very, very serious. If they go on check door if they get worse, you start talking about the spinal column you start talking about nerve damage. So if on the heat. At the long haul. I. Understand bands frustration. But I've never ever seen Erik Spoelstra or Pat Riley air on the side of uncosted. Now Jackie yes. There you go. They're going to do Lakers have told me that they feel like the heat are just as dangerous with. Kelly. Olympic. In that position just because he's shooting big well, I'm telling you I have been told I am not telling you what I think I'm agreeing with. The Lakers are saying that because they let Kelly L. Nila averaged twenty point. Crafty, the guy is crafty and. You. Anthony Davis shoot I'M GONNA stay out my position I'm eating a piece of information. You're trying to hype up their lacklustre defense over the go kill Nick is good as like no Kelly average eight points a game in the regular season. Guys letting him average. With Rachel they are saying that, but of course, it is because they're playing. So poorly, they're playing so poorly and he's giving these twenty points. Sorry Jax. But you know what? I'm GonNa tell you Kelly Olympic when you give them minutes, he can produce threes. The thing that I've seen in this series that I didn't think I could believe he's actually rebounding the ball pretty well, something he never really did in Boston. Tonight just five. Gametime Richard Niles see you from this arena. Game. Man.

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