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Trailer  Season 2: 7 Deadly Sins

Stephen Fry's 7 Deadly Sins

00:34 sec | 1 year ago

Trailer Season 2: 7 Deadly Sins

"Coming in early twenty twenty Stephen. Fry's seven deadly sins looking at the rude and wriggling seven deadly sins. The banana skins on the path to happiness beep lay them out on the surgical table poop. Prod Brian provoke in an attempt to try to a naturalize. Undestand with you I hope and believe it will be if nothing else delicious fun and something of a change from the usual run of podcasters.

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Ep 06 - Tammy Fry

The Outback Incubator

35:05 min | 9 months ago

Ep 06 - Tammy Fry

"Mark Levin the outback incubator. Move the future of one industry and we go host iphone Os Oliver Kennedy can I everybody welcome to the next episode of the ABC Incubator Today? Incredibly happy to talk to you. Tammy FRY from the FRY family food company which is now part of the live kindly group. Tammy's benign to me for a few years. She's very passionate about a subject matter. Which is her vision of the future of food. She's one of the most recognized businesswomen globally in the food industry particularly in the plant based food industry. She's a fifth Dan Black Belt in karate. Mother of two Wife and advocate for healthy living and plant based nutrition so hyping joins view with her. And we'll see on the next one. Welcome back to the Albuquerque Bites My Name's Olivia. Kelly Amway here as waste talk about future work industry and people and today we have another interview for us today from Noosa heads which is my hometown on the home town of Guests that we have today electoral show. Tammy fry thanks. Thanks for having me having to talk about today. I think the first thing that we could probably generate these. If you could introduce yourself for listening please let number of who you are waiting. You've come from and then we can get into some discussion. Of course well. Hey talk about myself than what I've done Beth. I am the marketing director. So the family sued company which is a plant based meat. Food Company established a nonce. Ninety one is a family business I am. I am also the PR incomes director for the live Conley Company which is a global company that has a portfolio of plant based brands. Also the founder of Meat Free Mondays South Africa and Australia and still directors to campaigns and on the number one or two boys by Tashin it about holdings pump based on having been done evasion. -Tarian and today we. I'm a Vegan and following plump as we've laxed and loving every step of enjoying the journey that I'm on and the Progress FA making in nine laugh as far as nutrition and food goes with creates to have your kids ultimately you also ready in your life. You have a lot of responsibility in role in yet your incredibly granted and I'm very proud to Kunia friend timeline. We live in the Steinhardt town. Obviously it's GonNa Waiver encoded nineteen performance or cough. And yet we're talking on zoom together so it's kind of weird but I'm sure we'll get it's absolutely I mean unprecedented times and issues for And healthy and I think that's one of the topics we can touch on today as in our. How do you stay strong? And how do you keep a strong immune system show? This is not the first virus we gonNA see and definitely not the last So if people can Himselves number one entreat their body as a temple and adequately prepare themselves for unprecedented events. Such as this one. I'm maybe that would be a good a good topic to chat about a little bit more as well and I'm happy to stop it into the orange to have it's a changing world emended wise. Obviously how it communicates changing how we generally living is changing but one of the things that people are focused on is the healthy side inside. Some people put boss gone because I think he's going to protect the case in Boston takes. Everybody arrived out. So that people had so patterns knee-jerk reaction at Lund which is gonNA take some tourists can try get mine. Immune system a bit stronger in KSM alternate track tape but Agree Goya signing him. So I mean you of all of that in your community. In your network of people who wouldn't traditionally perhaps spike is so much more a consuming but on because then to remain healthy I think people have slowed down on Sunday. Subbing in the harms. And they start to think for the first time adopted food so they put on the table in Hong Those are to their end. The family's health and how important health is. I mean you know all the money in the world all the fancy cars fancy houses in the world but when you fell health files you you suddenly realize when you are faced with in this current nineteen and you seeing people on hostels time it suddenly hits you pretty odd and That you happy happy to sit in your house so that you can avoid getting this rs and you happy to lock down and not see anyone and into total fierce sites we see are noncommunicable diseases at around fifty percents of the waste world suffering from lifestyle diseases. That is all preventable by the Eat the way that we xhosas and the way we live our lives and people now are saying. I'm one of these people with a noncommunicable disease when in two I have a much higher chance of dying from Carbon Nineteen because I'm compromised immune system. This is a time where we can turn around and start making changes together with our family to stock to build the immune system which has been developed or As as humanity has developed is very strong if treated with care and is a number of ways. You can do that in Actually just a blog price of Is about to go live and we'll be locked by the time. This podcast is and that is how we go about doing that. In the most simple way. What supplement should he take these a lot of information on it but this is just going back to basics the way you look you laugh house to reduce stress elevating your emotional state because believe it or not happiness and joy and gratitude an elevated emotional states the immune system and they studies? That have been done and a lot of work by Spain's on this particular subject you know eating fruits on the ground. Eating locally saucers making sure that they non-genetically-modified and haven't been sprayed with paint subsides eating a wide variety of plants and vegetables and fiber found the side. That will get you. Don't get from meat and dairy. We need more fiber Baba's what supports the GATZ ended therefore supports the immune system. So there's a lot of science behind that in Now because it's a real passion of mine back. I'm sure that's not the whole a you know. Why are we having this discussion? Say but you can jump on to the blog. see DOT COM and. I'm sure audible Pop Lincoln and you can find that article and just the simple steps. Keep your kids will keep yourself county and bill astronomy Op City will provide the In audience it's very powerful. Sign there and I think one of the points that you touched on important this obesity. You live in a world of food but I think a lot of people convenience has got wife war and so when you said there's a lot formation out then I think for many they probably wiping out more than a few years making good choices than what Van. Orden that easy because the information about getting the Royal Food in new has just been too complex people unless they really sat down and look how the information that many have spent time or have excuses not to have spent on to be able to do that. I think the people now that it's being distilled down in his paying more It's easy to consume. What is the right thing to do with? That is probably making a difference for you. See cutting out we. Education across the spectrum are just making people of course but people generally like well. We live in an information. Age and the information is easily accessible. It's just waiting. You put your health on the scale of Watson Poulsen's and if health Which is why should be then. You should spend the time investigating. You should spend the time finding out You adopt the foods that you eat with those foods. Come from how those swift you've just look at the animal. Agriculture and considered at eighty percents of the antibiotics in Australia of states lock stock and then you consumers the antibiotics and we are in for facts that consuming antibiotics distracts the GATT Zora. And that's why they say once you've taken antibiotics your mask type products to build back up the gut store and so if you consuming these antibiotics from a middleman being the cow or the animal will the chicken as being These antibiotics and then you consume that you creating a problem for yourself on a long run so people really need to start investigating these things and looking into designing holiday wants to buy with a family where they wanna back from your they trust. What brands they trust starting research. Because it's GONNA accounts in the long run. It's going to concentrate lauren. And we need to start having that discipline and focus and going out the Caribbean getting that knowledge muscles and to be honest. Once you're in touch with your own body you are working for you and what I don't WanNa One For Your but if he meets at standing rock going to work for you the unique on this journey yourself the incomes that conclusion yourself because only then will you believe that? Ah Definitely would suggest giving trump as living gar. Because if you've never done it you wouldn't NARC Solloway site. People should growthy Things themselves do the necessary research Vely and in growing act for one seed Vacant I. It's not something that I feel passionately about anti Vegan but I made but having known you for a few years one of the things that stood out to me as your leader in what you do on an international basis One of the heads of major company that provides Bombay. Spruyt your heavily involved in media around it and all that stuff but you're sounding one of the least judgmental people I've ever met in my life and I know that you always try me where they on which is an absolute credit today. One of the things I do notice around the beginning on being issues that can be over. Divi around so obviously be a Vegan. Some of those people very strongly and I want to share that which is to pay understandable his ruling benefits than you just described it. Then you have people. The other side of the fence who proudly may take nuts is probably a cultural thing and one thing that we'd probably have to recognize that is woven in many ways different cultures around the world whether it's time for cable mail how it's ceremonies and things like that. But what do you see is the best approach moving forward and the Renaud's is based on what you said there. Which is you know. There's been times. Were going three days without eating meat. Not Because of any particular mission number one. But I'm just is saying that to me and I thought well I'll give it give it a go in felt pretty good. Great White Feud ice from there and did feel. He went back to eating meat. So people across the spectrum but obviously divide is not a good thing for anybody. So what's your philosophy in regards to. Ya and of course they are very passionate about this and we need those people and I am actually one of those people that is also very passionate about that. Matt Biggest attrition but Animal Welfare. And that's what I was going to you and I was born to understand that one animal is not different from another animal. Just because we've given name or so me personally and this is just speaking personal standpoint and is definitely not an attack on anyone but I don't see much of a difference between a dog being eaten in China where cow being eastern Australia. Because you know it's just the animal so as seed him as being equals and so therefore if I wouldn't need a dog need a car. So that's that's for me but now you do have a lot of vegans that have come bobby for animal rights and they fighting for the voiceless and we have to be compassionate to them because they feel very very strongly that animals should not be treated in the way. They're being treated in the same way you would fight for an children being trafficked women being exposed to domestic violence. They feel as passionately about the animal welfare and animal rights and sort of cost gone in fact very very hard so animal rats and they've actually made a lot of changes that are very good for the world as a result of the passion and they are going out since the street and Being that voice for animals so they definitely play a very important part and there's no way that a return on Wrong thing thing Know either often either. Maybe I should be louder and more aggressive than Parche but for the people on the other side It is definitely a time. Where consciousness shifting and you need to start waking up to love for all things you need to understand that if you Jesus Might be affecting Amazon. It might be chopping down trees fifty rainy tanks if you choose to each house that a facing harsh because do you. Daren't you won the election such nf you say yes. I do well then. You have to spend the time. Basting you buying fish from is it. Sustainable is correctly labelled Wasn't done by commercial fisheries. What how much catch was you need to investigate that? As human beings we have a responsibility especially now to protect the earth to protect the animals and to understand that we are all connected. Every single one of us is connected to everything around us so we inflict harm in any way shape or form just by the thing that we the way we spend our dollar if we inflict Tom that Hong goes on and on this. Lacquer is extra a stern into a damn and if you throw a huge storm the waves that tripled the age and damaged the shoreline will be big. But if you throw a small starin- those records will be smaller. So opposing storace molestation. If that means you're GONNA become afflicts a tyrian you Dmitri free mandates you're gonNA start reading labels and finding a way overpaid comes from all those things on posted sticks and I'm GonNa Applaud you along the way answer. That's a good job here. Consciously him a conscious. Consumer spending on many ways should boost in many good. It is a journey. You can't expect one day to know nothing in tomorrow. You're everything as gone. Imagine a relaxed a London things about things that are by even down Where did they come from? You made me do. I need to attend t shirts or do I. Just radio need wine. T shirt and and those kind of decisions will be faced with as many become more conscious humanity very objective way of looking at things. And when you put in is words tally. It doesn't actually sound like a big OSC routing to To educate yourself for microlight decisions in regards to that and I think we've made pre Mondays described bail out and in terms of bridging that gap between those who aren't interested in building a really but may have some sort of awareness that they model to make some sort of change in the dark seems rarely where she say flicks. Attaran OR WHATEVER. You don't have to jump into everything. I in the first instance you can take steps and educate yourself and see if it's near them as the site upset or any on another big as a result of that kind of approach which is a motorist approach for those who on Schule it could potentially have been there. Is this something that they had. No idea was slight leaning united as you get older as. I'm discovering it's secretive. It's large that's for sure just doing simple thing. Gimmie quantified if you decide to do meat free Monday when the Eh one day and you cut out maybe you had a steak. Usually on amending acts in join. Have a stake. The impact that you have on water resource is five thousand five hundred fifty liters of water that you said by choosing to eat cons. Consider a stay that can be based NEAT because plant based meat comes from plants or can be plants themselves can be drains. These have a much smaller. Would've footprints now two five thousand five hundred eighty eight because that's a big number. That's equal to seven minute. Shy everyday sixty days. That's one meal we wind meal. That's the impact that you've had just by choosing to not eat steak on that day. Seventy percents of the monoculture crops that we grow by. Not It's human beings nor that useful by fuel. Seventy stands up monoculture crops to the ninety eight billion animals that we plants assaulter limit cut down rainforests to plants soya and corn. It's not because they intend to fema people as because antenna feed little animals and it's an inefficient protein equation. They take king monoculture crop they feeding to a cow or chicken and the protein has congratulated into muscle tissue. Which then you consume. We could just get it directly from the plants and not have damaged in Switzerland. And you think about those and one child from Africa. One child will die of malnutrition. Every forty bucks seconds while someone substances Alex Dyke answer to make that connection. You GotTa start to realize that when you have your stake. This is master when you have master. You are inflicting damage on other things. So yes only. If it's something that importance you do it. But China at least often try and have less of an impact eighteen percents of the global greenhouse gas emissions and Fifty one percents of global greenhouse gas emissions come from raising cattle and chickens for slaughter. So we want to start on mobile woman and I support. Society just had the fires in Australia which was full garbage. Were a huge thing and people say your honorable woman global warming. What can we do? Usually Ohio If we just had to cut AXA eating some needs we would have a huge impact on global emissions. We would reduce him significantly significantly this pollution base greenhouse gas emission. Sorry they are so many different things that spin off from one meal. I've just given you three examples than I could keep going Talk about this all day. So many spinoffs to making that choice. That are good for the Not Maybe not. I'm not so like you. Just you bet. For the planets for the animals for the Russians cows are the biggest Eat more fish than human beings. Do they use fishmeal feeder to cancel? Most people don't are these things in already urged people to stop looking into this fantastic documentaries that if you're interested is constituency that freon is a lot of documentaries you can go and watch and just start in Latin sending stuff and in make decisions which is what makes you feel family one of the things that's come through in this podcast series Hamming nobody was designed this way the existential threats to pop up the episode that I have and some of those fade into what you just said particularly in the interview. Data the series with a futuristic. Dotes Richard Himes. Who has a boss knowledge of everything that's happening now expanded now? Who's knows it? He was making a point. The systems that we've developed since when he was born which was mid-forties ugly. There's two billion big on planet instead while I'm still hearing they. Seven point seven billion pesos. Plata L. And the point he was was systems. Haven't really developed and the WO- has intensive civilization to grow them etc so it would appear that. It's not sustainable. We've got our resources. We know that we're using white too many resources with current agriculture methods multi questions how to what extent a business going to release their grip on that and secondly have we actually affect. Change your opinion in the short time frame that we have to do it because these extensive threats from Cameron Johnson I well ultimately power belongs with the consumer and how the consumers invade Darla will determine the future you know the Asami any brands that Hannah come into the marketplace that are Our cool conscious bands that are looking way by their ingredients from draws is definitely one of those brands we've been looking at on gradients come from city as we age we eat on third so we ready look at those ingredients in detail. What is the impacts on the planets? What is the impact on health? Do WE WANNA buy genetically modified. Soy One gradients Nar so we choose non Jamar despite the cost to our company and we making those choices every single day. She had a conscious conscious brand is conflict. Norwich is a the fruit? That drexel organic tree north. Stephanie Knock but it is definitely better than a lot of other toxic foods. We could be consuming looking at those brands and shopping for those brands and supporting the smaller guys will definitely go a long way to changing the whole wealth and that can happen pretty quickly because you just have to say accounting finance. Let Us Start. Find US and it might be a little bit more expensive. And that's where I think the difficulty is gonNA come in is to reallocate your dollar to making a difference in the world and instead of maybe buying extra t-shirts or another pair of trainers maybe it's starting to have a positive impact in our as an individual and to help the planet. We need lots of people that we need Iran to be during that. And everybody's doing that. They will see rapid change. And we'll see a completely different picture a completely different picture. And it's not you can't say you know. I'm just one guy what I do not GonNa make a difference is personal choices and actions can help change the world and you have to believe that you have to have heard that that's true and then share with your friends. Help your friends along the journey to if you watch the documentary that you ready enjoyed share that with someone because if you can smoke people maybe what you do in your lock entrance. But if you get ten friends to do the same thing now you're impacts is greater so I think we can change the way we do things. Biodynamic farming is a very interesting subjects as well. Now moving away from sprays pace decides is starting to redevelop the land in the way to supposed to be build up the soil again. These a lot of work being done by a doctor that Bush in the US believe he's a little work here in Australia to to move Farming I mean a lot of people say in Australia. If you don't eat meat you can harm the farmers but nor just trump has to change the way that things are being done has to change in fact benefit the small-scale farmer that we talking about this not actually benefit. Sam People Start moving away from mass produced food. You're animals in Sea Lacson and moving to the organic system we accounts of Free Ranging. The farmer can charge. The true price of that needs. People will buy it because they understand what the barriers for them. So this not benefits on this. This is not an anti Kong-based diets is not supposed to damage anyone's and camp. It's just about changing the way we do things as human beings if you need to change the crop from cows to copy smokes in the stock growing almonds and producing the many many stories of people that are during that Severi successfully and becoming very profitable businesses again. There's so much passion more. You're signing such thing. I mean obviously reviser the passion for they send them and you always want to share that with the world around me which is Very thing I want to also looking like for the optical Ma based science is it that the younger generations are growing more generally. How fast is this thing? Snuggle would say well. The estimates say that by twenty forty thanks meets also about the trump is need. Category is estimated to reach non percents of the two point seven trillion dollar needs industry sets ten percents But Assad from the the big numbers tonight based is really taking a not difficult to see you can walk into a supermarket and see nowadays an array of compass supermarkets done. Put it off because they believe in us. Supermarket doesn't believe than products. They see the demand in supply the demand so we think compass me occupying space inside. The meats are all. We seem compass occupying space in the dairy all which is next to the horse and the cheeses vegan mayors Dairy dairy Seeing freezes face are coming up for more plant-based meets we as a company get these opportunities all the time Lists new products bring new products to markets in the in the global shook campaigning and attempting quite a rapid rate. I don't have all the dots at the top of my head best in Australia. I think we sing about twenty percent of people starting to associate themselves with either vegetarianism flakes. Journalism meet reductionism. This is happening. Australia's very immediate easing culture. Very strong means these shift is happening. We'll continue this is not just a fad. This will continue to grow. It's not a bad so it's not like a diet. A statue of La as one in just a diet but you put on your place and those decisions more self. I know that you'll food. I silence that you guys got your foods in Australian behind people and they could have made the choice to put your products on it instead so I think people generally do to do the right thing and they think how it's healthy and it's going to double lines hot Klaudia then they probably As you said as long as it's not quite in post hinted which is the biggest challenges and game are genuinely believe. It's a lot cheaper. The Whiter the system is currently set up to unhealthily which is a tragedy but people have to rearrange as you cited currencies. And say well if it is a little bit more to make Sean putting things in my voting then. That's just the on have to find until the system fixes himself and actually he asked the healthy stuff much more vital to everybody. You truly these spend the money on your health you spend the many lights on pharmaceuticals to keep your lives so I know that's putting very blindly but you've gotta make a choice by Arne Ganic fruits and vegetables where again investigated which fruits actually sprayed with Tricia actually sprayed and they are others not spread. So you don't have buy everything Ganic because some things on naturally organic and accused spend many of their shoes to be using certain supplements which are will benefit Asam Milan at. She has to eat based on. Make those choices. Because I don't want to be an older person with some chronic lifestyle disease living on some pharmaceutical drug which is costing me mall and Arava spend the money now next the decision. You gotta come I'm going to avoid the animosity packaged stuff. I'm not going to just Children key package stuff. I'm going to spend a little time. Allocate time on Sunday to prepare healthy foods. My family. I'm GonNa Batch Cook Examiner. I'm also we all have the excuses. I'm also busy but I have. Mavericks officials delivered in a box from local farmers. Bring it in my house and are prepared on a Sunday takes me. Maybe two hours on a Sunday when other people watching TV Healthy food. I don't have to worry about us. It's been easy Boys got a Black Bean Chilean the fridge with some stephanus resist constant healthy treats for my kids. It's just a bit of discipline just a little bit of maybe a little bit of mixed. Maybe not you can also buy grains very cheaply legumes very cheaply as well eat very healthy to ice on a very tight budget so it doesn't always require extra money but it does maybe require a little bit extra time and discipline to implement because change is difficult. It's not changes on easy to take the way you used to eat and change it. I mean they say that people use you on you make race appease against improper. He's is how we live which we do. What's the easiest things to do possibly resistance maybe Vegan just learn when and make any introduced a new one in that. And so you don't have to do to. Even this is not something that Siebel to do tomorrow sunny. Just you're of a time and in regards to what the future looks like for fries. Has Your the next week? Just had some big news in the last couple of months yes I am. I am joined forces with looked kindly company and kindly company or essentially a group based food companies that sits under the candy umbrella. We also have a media company under that umbrella and we are in the entire value chain from the seed in the growing up the seed to distribution channels so we all the army now plant based Food Company. In the world operates the entire value chain and gives us the opportunity to scale a very quickly to scale the business and scale very quickly. So it's very exciting times. It was necessary for us to take that step. We still very much involved as a family in the business. In the decision making for businesses so values are intact ethics are intact with a group of people that have the same. Danny's pretty easy to keep tack joining a different culprit. Weightman amid campanile joined lack mandic companies. So it's exciting times for shore. I think that we're GONNA see some great growth from the family company but still lane tying the ethics we have is the family brand and eventually reach all corners of the guards down. You will especially with your passion enthusiasm tally. That's probably a we can have time tonight. I'm sorry what we didn't do is go through the story of yourself fries. You were born into this basically for this. But it's a question of us on vulnerable on the various sites that you're attached to but look it's a pleasure to have you on shows poisonous. No you have been more communities and genuinely believed that people are you will affect changing more help sign even if it's in a smaller white and thank you so much for sharing your thoughts that I think among them we coded nineteen redefining so many things about 'em sales having look at ourselves how we interact with equal attention. What we all conceding. Let's this good. That can come out terrible situation. Ex-lion thanks onion. Thanks to everyone who listened if you listened to the end. I'm really And I heard that he's made even if it's just went presen- Just think about in peace. Feel free to reach out to me. You'll find me on instagram facebook. Whatever you know reach out if you're GONNA questions if you WANNA to see but you're not sure how we got so many resources Heaps of free resources and recipe books and yeah beautifully photograph ways of a hazy committing. Meet this japan-based Without making it difficult so please reach out off the questions. during this is just our passions or mole questions. Young Betas. Thank you very much. Thanks for having and thanks for listening and watching the show the future of Wood Industry People. I you can has always listened on spotify and on Apple. Itn's and you can find videos on his youtube channel get subscribed and senior next time I think.

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Episode 156 - Martin Fry

Sodajerker On Songwriting

42:08 min | 1 year ago

Episode 156 - Martin Fry

"Hello and welcome to so so the jacker on songwriting. One hundred and fifty six joining us. Today is an English singer Songwriter. Whose career spans almost four decades as the enviable debonair from Man of ABC? He's got ten K and five top forty singles between nine hundred. Eighty one one thousand nine hundred ninety while their seminal album the lexicon of love was UK number one and the since taking its rightful place. In the Pantheon of all time greats pop records with delighted to welcome the fantastic Martin fry to the show we met with Martin backstage at Birmingham Symphony Vinnie hole where he was getting ready to perform the whole of the lexicon of love album with a full orchestra conducted by and yes she arranged the strings on the original record. Of course us he did and our former guest trevor horn produced the album. And I think we mentioned in the Intro to that episode. How much we love it? Yeah well it's a firm favourite isn't it so the towers I think it sets a new benchmark really pop record making oh absolutely great tunes. Intelligent lyrics pristine production. It's got everything. Yeah Grades Arrangements Agents musicianship and of course popularized. The gold law may suit. I'm actually wearing mind right now. Looks good on you. Thank you. Martin was born in Stretford Manchester in nineteen fifty eight and grew up in nearby stockport's he was a fine of prog rock and Bowie as a kid then go into punk as a teenager and sites being present at the sex pistols infamous Manchester lesser free trait whole geic. In the summer of seventy six has a life changing experience. He originally wants to be a writer and went to Sheffield to study English literature. It was in the steel city in nineteen seventy seventy eight. that he met Mark White and Stephen Singleton while interviewing them for his fanzine modern drugs. Martin was Julius to play keyboards in there and vice versa. which was part of the Beijing Sheffield sinned obscene? Eventually Martin graduated to lead singer and chief songwriter. In one thousand nine hundred the band changed its name to ABC and developed into a slick funkier Honky at altogether more soulful outfit. They recorded six studio albums between one thousand nine hundred eighty two and one thousand nine hundred eighty one beginning with the aforementioned lexicon of love and they released. It's very different. Follow all the much rockier rohrer sounding beauty stab the following year. They scored a US top ten. Hit in one thousand nine hundred five with be near me from how to be zillionaire for which the boundary invented themselves as cartoon characters. I think they were really ahead of their time with that way. A few years ahead of guerrillas at least definitely then followed a two year hiatus while mountain bald a serious illness. They made their triumph from the ten in one thousand nine hundred seven alphabet city which yielded the classic. When smokey sings attribute to motown legend smokey Robinson and gave them another? UK Top ten album. Nine hundred thousand nine op saw them experiment with more of a house. Music influenced sound. ABC disbanded in Nineteen ninety-one but August resurrected the name in one thousand nine hundred seven for the album skyscraper thing. The band focused mainly on live. Where for the next decade or so but returned in two thousand and eight with the album traffic Sousse by old friend Gary Langan their ninth studio album the lexicon of love to drop in two thousand sixteen to rave reviews and reach the top ten of the UK album chart we actually saw ABC AC sound checking for the one show in June of that year? Didn't we we did. Yeah we've been broadcasting. How suddenly for amazing because we're so important on as we let them on the bomber upside going through Yves Agricole? Yeah I think we took a pic. We'll put up on the socials at some points and Martin came up in our atom slesinger episode fears back as well all didn't they. Yeah we will discuss in the movie music and lyrics which Adam wrote the songs for and they're in mentioned that at one stage. The filmmakers brought Martin on board to show the film star Hugh grant ransom of his signature. Stage Moves I wonder if he tells them the points in surely did. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for that too. You can hear trucks from across the ABC discography if you check out this episode spotify playlist which will link to our Martin's page at so dejected dot com slash podcast. Keep up to date with all the latest news. ABC See Martin Fry Dot Com facebook dot com slash ABC LEXICON AT ABC FRY on twitter and at ABC Martin Fry on Instagram. Get in touch with us at Soda. Jack Dot COM com facebook dot com slash so dejected and at so Jessica on twitter and instagram. 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Yeah I've got the south banks in phonier fantastic orchestra to work with really young and full of energy. I worked with him over the years. I've noticed the personnel keeps changing. It's like maneuver the old Mexican man within the Orchestra I recognize about third of the faces from last time around. So it's kind of a great opportunity for people to get the first orchestral GEICO GEICO. They're a fantastic orchestra. I'm here with Dudley. Who arranged so many of the Huhne's back in the day and more recently so Yeah we're we're play about twenty twenty twenty two songs tonight. Yeah I bet you didn't since back in the eighties at those songs. Would go onto. Become such cultural touchstones. Well Cultural Tusk. Ominous shaken daycare but What did Andy Warhol's You know you could be famous for fifteen minutes so you know nineteen eighty. Two's a long time ago. But it is a great honor to get up on stage and be able to roll out. You know when smokey sings on the night you murdered love or the Look of love all of my heart. poison-arrow was is that kind of very sophisticated so the cosmopolitan pop sound party of vision kind of air the on Leong from the very early stages. Yeah I mean the lexicon. Love came out in eighty she to sell first album. We had a hit with tears. Not Enough I got into the top twenty and then we met Trevor Horn and recorded the rest of the album. And that's what I'm Gary Langan. Jj Yeah I mean. I grew up watching the clash and the pistols. You now is to see all those bands. When I was growing I looked Bowie and roxy music but the the bands that are can I used to go and see live first of all Susan? The man she's the prefects subway sect pistols clash both Cox. They're all punk bands for my generation so when it came to forming a band the whole kind of punk thing that wavered gone that was crushed on the shore. You know amongst my generation there was like Duran Duran and Spandau ballet and deppish mode and all his indexes human league. Everybody seems to have a vision of pop music being more sophisticated. I'm with us. We'd always envisage though songs to be like a film noir really. There's a lot of influences in say x can love from Sinatra through to Jerry Lewis through you too Brian Ferry you know no coward likewise in the Audio Palette of it here we wanted to kind of make a record that sounded very old fashioned and very remodel at the same time I was in a bank vice versa with Steve Singleton Mart. Why and that was kind of electrtonics? It was synthesizes grown up in Sheffield that was inevitable vegetable. So our background was from electron ex spouse but we wanted to give the music hall. And that's why we're interested in working with a real drama David Palm. Ah We met in Chesterfield. He's brilliant drummer and he's no castration. It was a kind of radical idea for a group from Sheffield. We wanted to take his as as we possibly. Could I read somewhere that you said whenever you write song feels like an adventurer a poetic adventure. I think it was the phrase. Do you still feel like that these days. Yeah yes very much so. I mean the two ways of doing songwriter. Ye can go brill. Building me other guys collaborate with them and finish song by four o'clock that afternoon noon which is a great way of working. But at the same time you know always inspired obviously no Tuesday afternoon. You might not be inspired. You might be in spied on Thursday afternoon. You know but In writing songs now I realize that the best songs the I've co-written no written a voice been very personal and you got to stumble across the stuff. That's you're unique voice your unique view of the world and it's worth waiting for those moments and then the adventure begins whether they say ninety eight percent perspiration a two percent inspiration only supposed to sit in with an instrument now no sitting on a plane or something or walking down the street you know. That's the beautiful thing about the the iphone isn't in these days. I'm listening to think it was a Taylor swift out my. She put a couple of her voice notes on the album. That was crate. You know it's kind of an indication those does all you demos these days so for the last thirty five years people ask you know musical lyrics or vice versa. I mean I love that full song how I wrote elastic amount. But I don't want to become the guy in the song around explaining everything you're GonNa make me be that stupid. Did you feel new data uncut. The the technology is kind of always been part of the process. I mean Trevor Horn on the show he talked about getting you guys to perform over more reached biking and how that kind of helps you focus in on lots of sense of groups that you want to achieve on that album. Well we took trevor the down to a club in Sheffield and said you know on the one hand we want to be like Sinatra and but we also WANNA be like joy division and our influences were wide but also there's a joy Oy to Disco Music or piece of music with a pocket to it so he can spend thirty five years chasing pocket and you hear a piece of music and it just swings ECON. You can't even analyze. It just feels great. You know that's the pot of gold. That's Xanadu so I think part of it was when we got to work with him. Obviously we hand held in black and white earn. Love the scale of the Ramat with the dollar record yet you have to go back in a time machine and imagine hearing that on the radio but it had such economy wide light screen a big panoramic field. So that's how we hoped with trevor. Yeah leaps at who is this guy who's made this incredible record And then he played his Give me about my hall and videotheque. I think he was working on at the time. which was an incredible sequence of these three songs? Yeah I asked him about video tech radio like that one. I think that's a as you say it's got that sort of wide screen vision to and it's interesting. Are those kinds of cinematic metaphors become part of describing the record making process success isn't it because it is unofficial innocence. Oh yeah totally. Yeah I think so. I think that's why you may music because you don't paint not less sounds pretentious. The marriage of machines earned real musicians with vice versa. It was all machines. We did a couple of records is of Christ and still Yagi okay. The band existed and I joined them later but it was always electric's in Sheffield. You've got cabaret voltaire the Human League clock. DVD most of the bands were heavily influenced by craft work or I Dunno it was very electronic but we were a band you know. We had a base player. A drummer guitarist interest a singer and sax player so the legs can love was definitely about marrying those two areas now. People just do it on a laptop back then trying to get stuff to sink into swing. We've trying to marry the willed avert dance music and pop music lives alone. That's what poison-arrow. Well that's what the Look of love is definitely about. Yeah yes sound of it. Yeah that was about to mention poison-arrow is very much of that kind of ilk. Isn't it as an almost chic like based on it must be kind of freak. Yeah but it edges. We worked with on when smokey sings lakes. It and it meant we could use every chic ISM with no guilt because he was in. Yeah I mean I'm not gonNA with Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards. You'll hear that. So of motor groove. You know this. They're they're almost like machine with machines chasing ah when he doesn't have blondie or chic or Roxy Music or countless other bans and craftwork obviously and you remember poison-arrow started in the in the writing process in the some right and it was about making something that was like a mini opera because a West Street in Sheffield in the other rehearsal rooms. There was cabaret voltaire. And like I say the Human Ligo Ugo you'd sometimes see Jolyon DEF leppard countless of the bands. You know like everybody you want to be totally different totally original so with poison-arrow I guess part of its admiration for like Quincy Jones and don't stop till you get enough and all those great productions from Michael Jackson that Jackson's appeared earth wind and fire. It was vaunting ambition But also to make a record that was very emotional and Histrionic hysterical. There was hysteria in the guy singing. The song me about shooting that poise is narrow. It was like we wanted to go in a different direction to a low of our contemporary. So we're like Gary Numan singing about electronic pylons and stuff we want to be like a mini opera like a very romantic like a pound pressburg movie which is like in soup annual a color. You know the red shoes. Yeah that's very much what poison-arrow was about the look of defiance Swanson parts of the situation. It's on your skin. You couple of the sounds. We didn't put on the armor from evolved. Some called surrender but when we played yeah it was to push as much as that make emotional. Yeah I think Trevor mentioned actually. Didn't he. He said the research strong emotional contents especially on Mexican above. I wondered where that came from in terms of musical influences. Other things from the past the how to kind of an emotional ocean resonance for you that you drew. I mean you know anything from Bowie. Young Americans to see him. Make that transition Marvin Gaye James Brown around. I mean on the side of his enough. There's a song called alphabet soup and it's kind of just a pure James Brown pastiche. I used to love those James Round. Sounds like king in heroin. That's an incredibly poetic Song Eastern some incredible music judgment. You know who else I thought was fantastic. Thing wasn't influence on us. The pop group marks the pop group when they came through with beyond good and evil. It was just a whole different post punk kind of will you know music. That was definitely in there so the idea was to make something. That wasn't a robotic. Yeah I in fact it was a reaction against vice versa. How that came over it was much schmo physical much more emotional definitely what went into those songs? I think of Edgy. Say That lyrically speaking. You're inspired by kind of Rogers and Hammerstein and full poets. What was about the approach of those people appeal to you? Why did snarl records grown up as a kid and as the Israel by you kinda realise how sophisticated those songs or even now as a sort of sixty year old man? Listen to some of those songs that seemed so simple originally but they're just incredible the way they set them up the way they set the chorus up they set versa. That sort of noble songwriting tradition. You know I was also interested in what you can squeeze into a song. We were trying to sort of put something more complicated into the back. And I think that's definitely what came to the fore and I suppose it was quite as to get onboard. Lee String arrangements on top of that production. And then have your Kinda falsetto on top of that. I mean this kind of emotional drive to that sound. Isn't the first thing she arranged. Yeah she's going to be around later. Ask Her but it wasn't like we hooked attack with a and she was a string range. She took on the challenge. She loved like Philly and stuff like that. You know all those tunes gambling Huckster Ryan motown on multiple is a very big influence and stuff like the temptations Those productions are incredible. You know on cloud nine and but was rolling stone. It was released on the space inside those wounds. Another thing we were obsessed with was love. American music sounded like space at the back of it. British stuff at the time time was kind of really full so it was kind of about how you arrange the sounds but anyway I do believe this. Though the host the mistakes you make and the kind of blind alleys or the kind of complete Eh stupidity that leads to great ideas and so the idea that these five guys from Sheffield. We're going to kind of become height. Well originally we were trying to get Alex side Ken to produce the record because I loved Grace Jones records and we say to him had tears enough out there and we're like how do we make swing. We want it to sound sound. Great in pennies disco on Wednesday night but of course Lion Robbie with a rhythm section in the fast lane. It's like he didn't have the heart to tell us. I thought we were crazy but we got there in the end. Yeah if you listen to something like all of my heart which you mentioned the moments ago I mean that is kind of an accomplished dramatic picks isn't it and especially that pause. I mean not really add to La Drama to that song. Think David Palmer was from Chesterfield. He was working in the working. Men's clubs he was like kissel child prodigy on drums joined. The band played on that track. These days he plays Rod Stewart all these years on east kind of a world class drummer. We were very very lucky to kind of run into a world world class drummer in Chesterfield. Tuesday afternoon piece of the puzzle to find. Isn't it really got it so on all of my heart you here's hi hat patterns and stuff. Yeah phenomenal with those who's pauses effective in place before. Is that something that's came up in the in the recording of it originally Tape in for the third one is longer than the other all of my heart. Ah The dead and so when you get to the third one on the record is time is not even in time. It's a piece of tape to go. All of my heart says no ambience just a piece of dead tape on stage. Of course tonight. There'll be three or four thousand people at that to do that with the orchestra tricks of the trade. I give the drummer a wink. And a cue from all of my key player now thank take a lunatic explaining the cute but yeah that's the first him. Squeezing the drama maximizing the drama. And that's very much alive. Yeah in all of my heart you look of Lavas obviously temple try in terms of all of these things isn't it. It's got `electronic drama. It's got the interest interest in words. We're always fans of your lyrical. Approach is even the first line phrase like strange arrangements. It's beguiling isn't it. It's unusual mysterious. What don't you think it's the hardest line of a song to right the first line you've got to draw people in how you can cop out and of course but you know? Come on in welcome to the willed of ABC. You know whoever look Lovisa is probably our most popular song over the years. I don't know I'm one of them but it's a curiosity. Yeah I love it when Drill guys all kind of hip hop guys go. Yeah yes. It's a hip hop two thousand five years on but it's great when people say that the funniest thing somebody said to me about about the song was once I was in John. Henry's rehearsal room and a guy comes up to me goes if akin for real I said what are you for. Real man. UPI EPA. Yeah so I had to front Emma. I said Yeah. We're going to ask about those moments because of just low vowed they work in the hip hip. Hooray with those I'd lived in the song Yeah Yeah I came out of planet life. We used to play live. I wanted to ramp up at the end like poison-arrow so that it was like a mini opera so repeats right at the final beat. That was definitely part of the thinking. So the EPA just ecstasy. You know the the singers demented wanted by the wind song. It's almost like you. Climb the top of the mountain and they were you know shrieking into the distance but it probably would have come from a couple of run throughs of I just out lips yet Bruce Travis things be lucky in a he. He did his beach boys. Sisters and brothers yes Utopian speaking. I think he came at the same time. It's kind of a take eight writer. That's why they fit together. I felt good about that. Hyun you know. I felt good singing in the studio. Well you should yeah. There's a whole kind of collage of voices in that song is in the the woman saying goodbye. And all the bits and pieces Greek chorus moments as well as in I I really like Slide family stone dance to the music and alike prince late Sir. Nine thousand nine hundred nine the tradition in our in. BF kind of the Bass player. Goes to the Mike and then they get harassed. And there's a whole kind of dialogue. Colin response is always there and James Brown. So I think that going on in the Look of love you know the different all. I'm saying it takes a lot all I'm doing it's Kinda schizophrenic. But in rock music was always one guy you know singing the whole I think through with this even though I had to sing it all it was pretty much me being the different characters. That's how I wanted to do the vocal. Yeah it we've been impressed by your sort of your rhyming ability as well like just on that album kind of throughout you know I was listening to so hip. It hurts your. I'm courtesy with hits me. Yeah wants to be a millionaire. That was the album I just wanted to do. If something came naturally to you or something you really kind of work that I it came naturally but I'll tell you what it is nice to Dacia with rhymes for years. I was trying to get the word umbrella into a song was kind of mortified when Riana came came here last night on stage singing when the Postman Dome Cologne Valentine's Day. That umbrella don't work on a rainy day so it already already done it in in a so. Yeah I mean you start off with your core what you're saying but it is nice sometimes just to push the limits to see how can push the audience. Yeah I mean I love the the rhyming schemes and you know this stuff. In the original Rojas Nam Stain in and Rosanna. The whole tradition of sitting down writing a song that is kind of the Orion but as is heartfelt at the same time sincere sincere but also quite theatrical. He's kind of getting the balance but rhymes I'm always looking for a rhyme see. I've got a bag of rhymes here. Could you write a song about a Unicorn. Exposure there's always new words in the public consciousness but you can push it too far. It's like a house of cards as an Olympic. You always walk. Walk that fine line though with the ABC stuff like how to be a millionaire for example sounds like quite a bold statement that title but then the first line is. I've seen the future. I can't afford it yes zero. We saw treading that fine line of this. Ironic is this plane with those ideas of being glamorous and being sophisticated or I remember him bruce springsteen said he wrote born in the USA. So you not assumed it was like a gung-ho yeah national pride kind of the King USA tune and he explains it is but it isn't and you know it's kind of about the anger the guys felt when they came back from Vietnam but simplicity and sophistication in that song so without to be a millionaire. Now it's hard to be a millionaire question. Mark I was living in Sheffield at the time. Eighty four the miners strike. You know Kinda come round again full circle. Oh failing I guess people assume that we were always in wymen bows drinking cocktails. They used to say you know partly down to the way we look through the Golden Army suits and the whole thing but yes kind of social conscious song in a funny kind of the millionaire but with a great beet. Yeah kind of like They have seventeen seventeen did as well as it relates house from pavements crush by the wheels Industry Willia- fascist groups chin. Yeah and here when you talk about Sheffield minded minded strikes and stuff and then the photo you website where you're in that sort of opulent dining room. It's an interesting contrast that you've always put across. Think slight I think you know. Life's it's never one thing. Why shouldn't you live in a chateau in you know what I mean? I don't know I'm not really thought about it. I don't live in the shadow. You you to come. Don't disappoint those. Are the things you can play within song. I mean the best songs of a lot of ideas in them. Anything from you know Dylan through to to the nineteen seventy five. You know. He's kind of like. That's the beauty of songwriter. It they tell me. Don't Eh in one song that that always seemed very straightforwardly heartfelt was when smokey sings yeah Which I think that one came out quite difficult to period for your health was well I did? Yeah yeah I mean how skins disease. So we put out to be a zillion and it was like flying in the United States. But then I realized I was. I was diagnosed with cancer. So had Hodgkin's skins disease and I'd have a radiotherapy and chemotherapy. So everything stopped you know It was tough. Yeah it was really tough but sitting around at home are kind of would play music and I realized how much valued music in a period when I was just straight of sitting around win treatment and stuff so when smokey sings is about that feeling yoga of music and take you to a place away from any kind of concerns. You have any pain any worries. And that's where the song came out and I love Motown Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye the temptations for tops and smokey Robinson when my cousin knows how to clinical local smokey's as well I had nothing to do with. I'm was always reminds. It gives that kind of Benny Benjamin back. Yes absolutely yeah. I was very a fortunate. I've got my health back or recovered enough to make a record when smokey sings. Now let's say and the first Week we go out and promotes it. We go to a Dutch Dutch TV show and they say yeah yeah. Come on down the corridor here. The dressing room next door smokey Robinson was in not doing say hello Mr Robinson. He is the seven inch final for the record. Me Mark. Why Went in that. We wrote the song here so about five weeks later we were in Los Angeles during a TV show and the record. Have I've been a hit. And his record and wins mugs. Things were both in the top ten in this day so he said are thank you very much came over and he gave Mark Myself a handwritten written letter our just saying you know he was touched and moved and and write the bottom. It just says William S Robinson managing director of Tamla motown. Aw that song. I don't blame you a toll. 'cause you play the fool who is a clown and So many great songs I got the chance to interview him once it was like an isdn thing and asked him what it felt like to have written my girl. I mean most people would retire. I think the first big hit. So yeah smokey Robinson sweet you know you the same night search the the dome. It's always good to get someone's name into a song. It's always good to be associated with someone. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's the thing glamour boy sociation. You've got some great tales of near the nightmare. Did Loaf hats a hell of a title. Isn't we'll vow those kinds of sheikh ask bells kind of follow follow the democracy in that one as well and that was with either with banana was that we did two songs. We've been when smokey sings and the not committed love when we did not admit it love. We asked him to play bass on it. They had this big red but each at night in one wouldn't play bass think Brad Lang played bass on that so he had to sit there and playing various with Bernard next day collect terrifying so it was a brief moment in somebody who's great. He's on the back of all that stuff he did with Robert Palmer stations stations and I think he NYLA NYLA split up but then I got it together. I think people forget. Actually I like the hit record that he produced Bernard because Nile disease more on the sensors. Niba what Sony Thompson. Listen was incredible resilience chic either on. I think he played unless Dan Stadium Days. Yes that's him. Yeah he had to play with led Zeppelin at one point in here so these days with lexicon of law of being a kind of a by word for technical assistance achievement. I mean that's how we see. We see it that way and it's just one of those mark benchmark things. How did you come to approach the sequel? Because that was well. I've made a record. Traffic ethic just made it with Dave Palmer and chuck this in Los Angeles. I just got back into songwriting again. A couple of years earlier so it was great just to get back into the process of writing and recording voting and there was no particular ambition involved or it was just great to make the music just off. It went playing. The show's playing. The orchestral shows was real inspiration for me. We played that the Royal Albert Hall in fact it was ten years ago but I work with and lay an orchestra and we played the lexicon of love and a bunch of stuff. I kind kind of thought. Well here's the audience. They kind of interested in the whole idea about where we are now I just took some of the songs that had there was a couple of songs from way back the data really put out on. Am I of evil of which they subsequently put out later. When I did the new record and just re recorded everything from scratch at a single flames of desire which is the opening song that was written with Charlie mole who is a really big string arranger now as well been an arranged the strings on the record so for an ABC record it has to be something big and bold? You know. There's no point me showing with a twelve string and saying you know suffers from is your sir. I mean Bowie did that on a couple of his records in the nineties and millennium. You've gotta show up with something that represents what you truly about I. I think he's Nice. When when Lou Reed Did New York he seemed to find his whole kind of velvet underground spirit again and stuff so mature artists can sometimes stumble across us? Good stuff so I wanted to work I want a vanity project out but Ted Chocolate Virgin. Emi some Moran that listen to some stuff was doing and they they said you know this is great. Go ahead and make a record so but just fell right. I just thought make something very big bold and orchestral like pop on steroids. You know UDDER ECOMOG a very good relationship with Anne Dudley from Lang live show so we got together and wrote some stuff. There's got called rob for sorry. Who worked with WHO originally worked with many people beyond all say Lady Gaga I? He's in New York but we kind of writing stuff and he was sending me stuff and sending him stuff so we had a good working relationship. I always liked to collaborate all the time. It's the only way to finish anything and then the guy said you know what the she's the lexicon love to you know. But then I went home and watched can dead on net flicks and figured you know these days. There are many different versions of the same idea so I felt it was time to do I do. He came onto the this insist when you collaborate with. Would you passer a demo of an idea that you've caused especially now with eleven side. The love we just trying to piano. That's how that song handout. Viva Love was pretty good shape but then we started from scratch but at that point I think am I put out as a download you know that was great it it was originally demo but basically a road bunch of songs. pull out the best bits. And there's a lot of other sons didn't use. Yes so it was like that neither to to make a record called the LEX. Can I love your hat show with the songs definitely. You don't destroy the legacy but you want to enhance it. And that's what the next thing I love to is all about. Yeah we saw. Oh you sound check and level of him outside the one show few years ago okay past and how the record came out. Yeah Yeah I've been playing the law shows and stuff but Yeah it was a good experience for me. It was fun but I have to say it was like climbing a mountain. I mean I'm no fool. I didn't want to kind of make record of people. Hated people have very strong memories. But I kind of thought left here. ziggy stardust to Datu or familiar for me. There's a riot going on to sly stone. But you know you never will so the idea of kind of going back with the characters and seeing how they were thirty five years later. Yeah Yeah it was very much a filmmaker idea to make really stands up as well because along. Okay 'cause you guys I I would think so. Yeah it's great companion to. I'd say it would be great trevor the Horn again but originally thousand the path. We're going to go on that one. Though that never happen I listened to Trevor's orchestral record as well. That was interesting here in his his interpretations of eighty six but with the lexicon enough to it worked. It went well People seem to like it. It's really hard to gauge They did they you like to. Have you got any songs leftover from that experience that you thinking of doing something else with. There's a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah at about Mexican three but the lex GonNa something else. Elsa trilogy all of the Matrix as godfather but I didn't know I tell you what it is with. ABC We went down so many different avenues with with how to be a millionaire with alphabet city with up beauty stab lexicon originally wanted to flip it. I wanted to make a brand new piece of music. That people had a sense of familiarity familiarity about. That's what happened with those songs. Yeah leaving the direction and everything about it really. Yeah like how you're supposed to lick and in the shadows generations here. Yeah yeah that's right. I was lurking though alert lurk. Geely Well Martin. It's been great talking to you. Thank you so much for doing. We've loved you music forever. Pretty much have to talk to you about the jazz brilliant thanks. Thanks very much That that was Martin Fry speaking tours of Birmingham Symphony Hall. I mean that guy's been in our world musically for such a long time. It was just amazing to sit down with them wasn't it. Oh Yeah Yeah Unin you know. The lexicon of love is easily one of our desert island albums. I would say so to get to go in depth on that record with them was such a trait and he. It was quite revealing about his process. I thought he said he writes of walking down the street yet. A kind of reminded me of what am says zone. Oh told us a while back about how you know. He's he's always sorts of kind of antenna up you know when he's walking down the street when he's out in the bowels he's always gathering fodder for songs. Yeah as Martin said Your Voice not you them. Oh so he's capturing things on the move. It was good to revisit. Say the work of Trevor Horn. Of course he was so essential sit lexicon of love. And all of that description version of Sinatra meets joy division yes very evocative those people getting together we trevor just brought out by incredible sense into groove. That pockets as he said which is what thereafter. What to be cited? Chiusano do that. You're part of gold. Yeah but it's such a wide side screen. Canada sound isn't it. It's a beautiful sound and record. It's real lay experienced to listen to us. Martin said he's always trying to get something more complicated into a pop music frame. Yeah Yeah and I felt like the kind of Glam it and so it's a swath of his stage persona even though it's kind of a core element to how the music directions understood. It doesn't seem that calculated. It seems like it's really just a pause of him. He because I kind of pushed him on that a little bit and he seemed to say well. I haven't really thought about it. That much and I was surprised that that would I was actually really kind of pleased as well. But that's kind of a really natural part of what he does and the songs are kind of audacious when you think about the rhymes uh-huh are the production is and yet. He finds the bounds between the kind of half Felton. The theatrical yeah I think he said it was kind of a house of cards. Didn't they just trying trying to get that sense of humanity into something. That's so kind of bolden. Glamorous yeah and I think the song all of my heart is a great example of where they've succeeded in the undeniable emotion but also that real drama too. Yeah definitely. I'd love to hear him saying to us as well. So thanks to the mountain for such an exciting and interesting chat. Checkout is amazing back catalogue and we'll be back soon with more quality guests. Take Care Bye bye doc.

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"Welcome to the PODCAST. I'm John Hammond and this is Megan Murphy everybody in Meghan to you know what July thirteenth enlighten me John. I'm not sure it's national Friday. Get it Friday. That's right. It's not just Friday the thirteenth. It's it's national. FRY is in French fry day. I love it. There is a holiday forever you right I mean is there anything more addictive or satisfying than French fries. I do like a good French. I do you have a favorite fry. Not necessarily I wouldn't call one out over the other by like them really crispy. I like them perfectly salted and every once in a while you know make fun of me or not. I like sweet potato fry. I'm not going to be funny I am. I'm a big fan of sweet potato. I get them anytime I can. It's it's one of the things that that that these e R founder and C._E._o.. Of course mocks me and we're out here price. He's like who could sweet potato for some what people do because whether on the menu totally sweet potato fry. He's probably never even tried did he probably beating handfuls of your favorite like Goto don't have I don't have a Go-to oh to like fast food. Fry it well. I don't have a Go-to but the one that just cripples me every time our five guys fries five guys prize as soon as I go and you're standing there smelling them and I get the bag in the bag is sopping up the grease. That's right away. I never make the right home without eating handful which is good because they just pour them like right in the bag so there's plenty when I get home. Nobody realizes that you know half the bag is gone but probably one of the most amazing French fry experiences <music> I've ever had natalie and I were on our way. We were in San Francisco and we went out to <hes> across the bridge into like Sonoma county went to Healdsburg and Healdsburg bar and grill and we had the Parmigiana truffle fry comes out in like a little bucket like a little metal bucket and we're like I feel like this is something we should order. It was one of the things where you immediately wanted to order a second bucket. Even though there are only two of us it was just like so savory every and delicious and indulgent and nothing that you would do regularly of course but I mean to this damning that was probably ten years ago and I'm still fries so I mean that's that's. That's probably that's a hi bar that is but fries. You know I don't care I like actually just prefer like last night. I just like carved up sweet potatoes and just Rosen and the grill and we had those with dinner or not in the groups are in the oven for like forty minutes or so the four twenty five and they caramelized and put a little salt and pepper on them to me. That's that's my idea of like fry like thick skin on like soft on the inside little crunchy on the outside. That's a good that's a good fry and just make it home in like forty minutes. Have you ever had disco go fries. Yeah I grew up in Jersey what to call diner girl exactly it's like some people call it teen if they're fancy Canadian but disco fries with gravy and cheese probably after a long night I mean that's kind of childhood for me at the diner. Defended the fact of the matter is there are so many options when it comes to fries you know there's the good old fashioned French fry like Dave's Dave standby right. There's curly. There's crinkle cut their sweet potato. There's a shoe string. There's waffle fries is there is <hes> Putin Chili fries dipping fries in mayonnaise or whatever your topping of choice might be so it doesn't it doesn't matter like fries. Are I guess that's why there's a national Friday like. Why wouldn't there be a national Friday exactly early? Americans love their fries. That's no surprise and here's a fun fact. The average American eats thirty pounds of French fries every year. I mean that that sounds grows when you say it but it is not surprising sitting no a year okay yeah so it's still it's still ends up actually believe it or not one third of vegetables consumed by Americans every year our potatoes right one third. It has taking all Schmidt eating vegetables. Officials will one third of the vegetables that we as Americans are potatoes and and it's it's not you know like it's seventy percent of the potatoes that actually are consumed in the U._S.. are frozen or processed right so it's fries or chips and according to the U._S._D._A.. Eh More than half of all potato sales go to processors of French fries chips dehydrated potatoes and other potato products so that's you know that's not the kind of potatoes you should be eating or the kind of vegetables that you should be ingesting. Those are the highly processed time but it's match. It's national Friday. So what are you GonNa do yeah. We're going to indulge once in a while. It's one of America's favorite you know Comfort Foods <hes> indulgence so if you're out on July thirteenth why not grab yourself some French fries so in honor of the fun food holiday. We're going to share with you today. The eat this not that team has their picks for the best fast food fries and stay tuned to the end of this episode because we're also going to share with you how you can make fries at home that may even be better than your go to favorites out and it's not just my lame sliced up sweet potato legit like regular French fries so in now before we get to our favorites there was actually a process of the team used to create these so you don't think they were just like picking their favorites because of how they tasted or anything they looked at nutrition they check the ingredients to make sure that they're mostly cleaning gradients for the most part not too many foreign additives or things that you can't pronounce certainly appearance inconsistency were factors and of course tastes was a big factor as well but so they rank them according to those criteria and I gotta say we're GonNa go through the top five here and it's surprising it's not so much. I guess what's on the list but it's not I think some are going to be very surprised when they the waiting and listening for their favorite and then it doesn't it doesn't hit and they're going to be like what the what's going on here but we weren't involved in this process. It does seem like taste these fries but I didn't in judge in in in this effort some I actually haven't had so anyway. Let's dive right into the top five fries so number five is the Chick-fil-a waffle potato fries so yes solid I mean people I feel like they're. They're a waffle person or they're not I mean these are everything you expect from a Frie- but they have that fun waffly shape in that good texture and these fries were our number five pick because they aren't overly seasoned and they hold up well to light dips like catch up but. It also the heavier depths like Mayo and ranch if you're into that sort of once in a while and medium size orders going to set you back three hundred sixty calories eighteen grams of fat and not too much sodium which a lot of fries have high sodium this only two hundred and eighty milligrams of sodium forty through grams of carbs so not bad. That's the number five pick. Do you have a dip of choice. What do you believe dipper fries? I'm usually catch up girl or sometimes I like vinegar on my fries vinegar. Oh Yeah that's nice. I mean every I love Ditz so sometimes I'm in honey muster motor barbecue but I'm usually destroyed. I saw so I I actually like spicy mustard. <hes> oh yeah I like spicy mustard on a lot of things so number four Wendy's fries which is surprising. I think you know when I think Wendy's I don't. I don't think a fries it doesn't come top of mind but you know here we go. I mean this was interesting because if you're on the prowl for like that classic French fry the Wendy's might be the best bet according to the team because although they could do without some of the inconsistent assistant textures it was just a really solid fry that delivered on all fronts and a medium size fries four hundred twenty calories nineteen grams of fat three and a half of those saturated the sodium cranks up a little bit compared to to Chick-fil-a it's four hundred twenty milligrams of sodium on this one so little little saltier but when it comes to fries you're exactly that's what you're craving when you when you create fries all right stick it quick break from our Fri- picks to talk about something that goes real good with salty fries and that's iced tea but just like these fries don't forget that a small decision can have a big impact and when it comes to decision that you make for your ice tea you WanNa go with honesty not because honesty has been on a mission for more than two decades now to create and promote great tasting healthy organic beverages through through their new campaign. 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That's twenty free travel packs of seventy nine dollar value with your first purchase at athletic greens dot com slash eat. This don't miss this deal now. Let's get back to some fries the number three on our list and this one. I haven't had personally it's dairy queen fries all day. I don't want to get dairy queen fries. It's not what I worked at Dairy Queen when I was sixteen and it was the yeah well they didn't have my dairy queen tiny stand in town with a drive through and some picnic tables we the hotdogs but we didn't have the fries. I feel like I missed out I know but the team reported did these to be perfectly salted and thick enough to hold up to dips and they're pretty darn good so regular size portions only two hundred ninety calories thirteen grams of fat five ninety milligrams sodium thirty nine carbs so so not that badly rationales but you you know again. I haven't had them personally. I am missing out where I grew up. We have dairy queen that was like the full sit down kind of order to get food and you could sit down. There's Burgers and fries and all those kinds of things and it was a long time ago. I don't really remember the fries. I only remember the Ice Creams of course but I've had them yeah but it just again. It's just not top of mind number two this one. I really like seeing here because if not five guys this is where I'm going it's shake shack fries and shake shack. It shook up our our expectations if you will with off get crunchy tators and they're the crinkle cut fries which which I like and look and love or hate it right some people that might throw thirty for a loop you don't like the crinkle cut fries you want your Friday b street and and and and skin on or all this guy but look don't hate on the crank Dunkin hit on the table I mean teach their own and but the fresh flavor will just put all your suspicions aside like you'll you'll be on the crinkle cut bandwagon after these end regular size. Fries with four hundred twenty calories nineteen grams of fat four hundred ninety grams of milligrams of sodium and that's not too bad again. This falls in line with with everything else. That's that's in the top five here. I like everything shake shack. I'm like shake shack girl. We went to a mets game at Citi field our first because we're not mets fans were red sox fans but the boys are just obsessed with baseball and there was a we got there and I saw there was a giant shake shack and we're like Oh my God. This is so perfect yeah. It's fantastic all right in the number one pick this surprise me as well. It's another fun shrew his on the edge of their nick but here comes the shock. It's a shock and this is not a fry that I typically go for but it's Arby's curly fries. I know that's a shocking number one but the team deemed with these ones that will keep coming back for although there nutritionals make them the ultimate cheat male. Maybe they taste delicious because it's going to be five hundred fifty calories twenty nine grams of fat. That's pretty whopping more than twelve twelve hundred milligrams of sodium sixty five grams of carbs so definitely not the healthiest pick but maybe that's why the team you know if you're going to indulge in Friday on the thirteenth. Maybe just you know they're perfectly season. They taste great for once in a while. Maybe try Arby's curly fries again. Look this is another place I don't really think of and think of fries or anything related where the we've got the meats like all that we have the curly fries and they're and they're and they're delicious dishes because check this out so I will. I will check out arbitrage. I'll get I'll give them a chance and again like you said like every now and then my fries every day so you don't worry about the calories and the sodium on this one on this one meal that you're GonNa have every now now and then like if if you are eating fries everyday then you dial that back and he's thinking about this into our podcast more than pleased so looking all you who are listening right now. You're probably wondering where the heck are McDonald's famous fries people through the top five live and everyone kept thinking okay. The next one is going to be the next one is going to be McDonalds. The McDonalds fries landed on the rankings. They were just outside the top five at number six also five guys as I mentioned one of my per. One of my personal favorites came in at number eight a great so look if you want to forgo the fast food fried damage obviously as a less sodium when you're talking about twelve hundred and fifty milligrams and fire up a batch of deliciously addictive spuds at home our very own Dave's Zenko who mocked me for my sweet potato fries and in his mouth that CO author Matt Goulding. Have you covered with their rosemary. Parmesan fries sound pretty good these sound fantastic all the ingredients that I love okay so here's what you'll need. We're going to go through the recipe for you to medium Russet. I sit potatoes two tablespoons of canola oil salt to taste and maybe pepper if that's if that's your thing to to close of garlic very finely minced. I'd probably add more just because I'm gonNA garlic junkie but at least two first familiar one teaspoon fresh rosemary leaves degree by the way to beautiful out great and a quarter cup graded parmesan cheese so now it's time to fire them up preheat the oven to four twenty five degrees Fahrenheit Peel your potatoes and cut them into quarter inch fries. That's about twice. The thickness of McDonald's fries a little thicker soak the potatoes in warm water for at least fifteen minutes before cooking them then drain them and. Pat them dry very thoroughly. Make sure they're nice and dry combine the fries and the oil in a mixing bowl and toss them until they're evenly coated and then you're gonNA season them thoroughly with salt. We want good salt on these fries but we're also having Parmesan cheese so you don't have to go overboard you could it always add more later versus over-salting and then you're going to spread the fries out on a large baking sheet being careful that they don't overlap have a nice even layer. It's so important people so important to cook with soggy FRY crispy. It's I gotTA spread. 'em Out to us to sheets. If you have to absolutely and then you're going to make them for thirty minutes until the fries are just tender in lightly Brown on the outside and then you're going to take them out sprinkle them with the garlic Rosemary Mary and Parmesan cheese all those Yemi flavors return it to the oven for another ten minutes until the cheese is melting in the garlicky is lightly Brown and your house is GonNa Smell Amazing and then we john and I want to be invited over to enjoy these with view but these fries are only you know this recipe serves for people hundred ninety calories eight grams of fat and only two hundred forty milligrams of sodium so that is not bad at all for aside or a snack. I mean that's the thing that's the difference between in eating out and making something at home right I talked about making my own sweet potato wedges and fries I guess but again it's just a little salt and pepper a little bit of oil to to get them in the oven so they crisp up and caramelized nice and there's there's not a lot of damage there but if you look at some of these these fast food fries and the ones that were not that were outside the top five by the way like McDonald's and and all the others there were there were far more ranked here. We just went through the top five. You realize like how much damage can be done. Why feel kind of crummy afterwards totally I mean they? They're good going down but like an hour later like God Tom's so maybe try the homemade on July thirteenth. If you don't WanNa go out for some national Friday you know if you're not going to go out and get your own favorite fast food fries than try these these fries right here and let us know what you think. It was pretty tasty so there you have it now. You are fully prepared to celebrate national Friday and look if it's not July thirteenth li-listening to this words or it's GonNa past who cares you could celebrate your own national Friday or or or make these delicious Rosemary Parmesan fries. Just you know be aware of the choices that you're making and be aware that they're they're good choices. Okay choices not so good choices but at the end of the day don't beat yourself up over it if you're just having prize every now and then enjoy darn fry whatever fried whether they're currently sweet potato whatever you're dipping them in whether they're super salty or not salty war crinkle cut fries. Don't give up on the crinkle cut fries shake shack and try those shakes. Whatever you WanNa do you WANNA do? 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Deepwater Subsea | Mike Fry on Oil & Gas Startups Podcast - OGS059

Oil and Gas Startups Podcast

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Deepwater Subsea | Mike Fry on Oil & Gas Startups Podcast - OGS059

"This is the oil and gas startups. podcast where we showcase emerging technology in the stories of industry founders investors in leaders with your host Jay Corley and Colin Macleod. What is going on wildcatters? Welcome back to the oil and gas podcast. This week. We sat down with our Buddy Mike. Mike Fry of deepwater subsea. Funny thing is one of our. I guess you also used to be a podcast and really just enjoyed where the conversation went. I think there's a lot of great great nuggets of wisdom in there really quickly before we get into the episode. This episode is brought to you by task. Now as many of you know I've worked with numerous peace throughout my career. Everyone agreed that the operating game is rather chaotic at times and definitely logistical nightmare. There are a million things that have to be done on a daily weekly and monthly basis. And once you factor in failures downtime. 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I don't even know what upset so this is an easy fifty nine. I think we're fifty something I don't know we're getting up there. Yup Roll right into it who we get. We got my buddy Mike Fry from deepwater. Subsea Obse how's it going doing good man how you doing. I'm doing good good. Welcome to twenty twenty. Yes it's crazy to think about twenty twenty and we're thinking back a few years ago. Actually we're doing some some Matthew Matthew trying to build some grass and we're like oh it's five years back and for some reason I was thinking five years ago. It's like two thousand thirteen. I was like Oh that was actually fifteen. Yes insane insane on Ohio Asala thing on facebook the other day that said what is it in one thousand nine hundred as close as two thousand forty. Is that correct her. No two thousand fifty my math right there Yeah you're right because we're thirty. Yeah all right. So let's hop attended. This was not a chauffeur mouthfuls long pause still on his out firing on all cylinders islanders yet so I was just talking before we started. The podcasts says actually the first time we met in person. But we've talked. I mean for the past three years through Linked in and Jake. It's actually funny because when I met You I'd message Mike at the same time. I just kind of gone on this binge of just messing a bunch of people in Lincoln that I wanted to connect Holland undiscovered. Lincoln usually can reach out to people. It's like Holy Shit. This is cool. I can see everyone's background what they're doing. And so I started. Send a message to everyone and We'll roll into a little bit today. But at the time you are putting out videos in content and I thought this is really cool. It's like men. This guy is like putting out content. And you Gary V at that time Thomas kind of really starting to take off and hadn't seen anyone in oil and gas doing it yet. You had to have been the first one to put on any content because even when we started going heavy about a year and a half half ago it was like us. Maybe one other person to other people that we had seen so that you're way ahead of your time if you're doing it back then because we met in sixteen eighteen so I'm guessing you guys probably linked up in two thousand sixteen early seventeen sometime and for me it was. You know being an entrepreneur and bootstrapping during the downturn turn how do you get your message out right and so there are a lot of people coming and saying. Hey Mike I'm trying to get a job. Hey what do I need to do to improve my resume and just marketing in general right right. How do you reach the masses? Do it once let everybody see it versus having to answer every email and you try to you. Try to help everybody but it started. It's faster to shoot a video radio. I can do it. Five ten minutes kick it out to the industry versus having to sit an answer each e-mail over and over and over giving the same answer to the same question. Did you get get much pushback in the beginning from some of your peers saying like. Oh this is taboo like this is not. This is not the platform for that. This is not facebook. This is not instagram. Keep it professional because we saw a ton of that in the early days Mine was different. And it's kind of funny when you mentioned that mine was who do you think you are to be putting this this message out there wasn't this isn't the platform really. It's what makes you the person to put it out on the platform and that was always my biggest concern especially starting podcasting casting. What in sixteen was yeah? What is the response going to be because the industry as I'm watching Lincoln watching how things are changing over time and I'm seeing the rest rest of the world move forward and people putting out tons and tons of more authentic content? Social media is really giving everybody a platform but nobody was really doing it professionally especially in Annoy Lagasse. Aso's like Oh my God. It's funny the the comment that you brought up about People asking who are you to be putting out that message because reminds me that one video put out in Denver in this infamous video and so in Denver. I just put my cell phone. Take three minute video telling primer saying that the gas industry has to evolve in adopting technology. Goals is GonNa die and I got something like six hundred comments on this video. And I'd say probably seventy five percent of talking Shit and some of my favorites. I got him. I still got that screen shots of them. This soft millennial walking around talking on his phone were nevertheless a day on the rig and it might. Did you go to Lincoln and seat. I spent ten years on rigs the gold because he has picture proof. Video evidence is like oh you wouldn't survive the North Slope of Alaska. And I already. I mean the thing for me to is back in the beginning the message was never. It wasn't promotional. And so it was if you if you see I call it the daily grind and because that's what it was during the downturn people were unfortunately committing suicide and guys are like look. I'm losing my house. I'm selling my car and but like I need to get a job. And why can't I find the job in this market and it's like okay. Well let's take a look at it some years Semir savy and I think it was like daily number two number three. I actually went to whole foods and I bought ought to different apples pineapple and I said it on the table is like this is your CV coming across. I have all of these apples. That are showing up. You want to be pineapple bowl as much as people are like. Oh it's funny but how do you stand out against crowd of your peers. If all of you have the same experience all of you come from the same place as you look just like everybody else just said pull of gray gray noise right and so the message was always. Hey we're all grinding just like everybody else's else's and you have to take it one day at a time and you have to put in the work and it's not. Hey you're my boy from five ten years ago and it's like I got I got a Lotta boys from five ten years ago her also so all looking for jobs and so the video started as a let me try to help this one guy and then it turned into be positive turned into take a break. Don't stress the stress is going to be there like I tell my team at the office. It'll be there tomorrow. We come back to work. Go home and get this done. You're not going to get it done tonight night. Let's just keep moving forward and so I'll joke at people and say we don't do marketing. And I don't have brochures I don't have that are like dude. You market all the time. But I don't market the old conventional way of brochures and fliers and you know I don't cold call. I've never made a cold call. This a house on micro succeed because I hated that cold call coming migration and so for me. It was put the message out. It's a small network of what we do. My competitors are small poll wall so you either know of us. You don't know of us and the For me conventional marketing. Dan Work facebook Denmark. I mean we have fifty seven thousand followers on our facebook page but because the algorithms kept changing I would send out the same message that is autoweek before in ten people it so it was like okay. Hit Lincoln because that's where everybody was going looking for jobs. That's where all your peers are so we were shooting impasse big companies and it's funny because we we did a post kind of sidetracking here for I would give away a free Yeti coolers and one year I think there's it's like a million years on this. This yeti cooler from three years ago every year here comes people liking it. And it's like they're giving away for Yetis and late two thousand six for Yeti when he's gone but it's the power of social media and even linked and as a platform as a whole. Because I always laugh. Where do you are our industry? Go they go to learn about what's going on the industry they go to Lincoln They Wanna go see what their friends from high schools don't and they're gonna go to face blood. Yeah if they want to see what oil and gas is doing. That's where everybody goes. I'm so glad you brought this up because I had a conversation with some people over the past few days who are in charge of marketing and sales and stuff organizations. We're really talking about. How do you really build a solid strategy lake not just theoretical but actually like what are some of the actual steps that you can do? You say you're a brand new start up and you're you're planning on marketing your business within willing gas today and what are you doing. What are some of the best practices and so I just want to ask you because I think i? Would you know what the answer is. I'm going to be but you said you never putting out flyers and I cold calling all kinds of stuff but yet everybody already knows who you are. So I'm guessing that your approach has worked probably way better. Had you gone the traditional route like we see other companies in the space do going to nape going to the conference going to that. Buying boost spending sixty thousand dollars others sending out mailers during the cold calling all the traditional stuff that everybody is now immune to you feel like the your strategy of what you've done has been just completely transformative for your business. I think the biggest challenge is what's the Roi Right so for me the Roi isn't picking up a new customer the Roi. Why is WHO's deepwater subsea? Because no one's called and said has saw your video once you come to survey workforce but what they do is go now. I know who you are now. I know what sure about now. I know what you're messages and we'll go to. IDC conferences industry conferences and people will be like came out of your videos and it's kind of flattering. Because I'm like Oh some actually looked datum because I didn't put out there for. How many likes can I get? I put it out there for the. Why would you say if I get one view? That one view is the one guy that takes something away from. Ah That's what's important to me but when you when you go to hobby airport and somebody walks up to you and it's like. Hey Mike how you doing. It's flattering but you're looking at him like okay. Well how do you know they now because of the videos and they've heard the message in its came in at. I used to get up every morning and watch your video radio because it was motivating to me to keep the grind and keep the hustle going so for us. Yeah I mean if there's five people or five companies in the industry that do this thing that you do all five of them are calling the same person like hey I want your business. I just said I'M NOT GONNA call you and I'm very protective of the brand It's funny because I saw one a collins videos and he was dropping f bombs and stuff. I'm like now I could do. But what's funny is an actually tell some customers. I have good relationships with them. Like I'm not GONNA call him. Help your like every week. You know who I am. You know what I do and and when you need that service you'll call me because if you're not in the market to buy a car I could be the greatest car salesman the world. You're not buying a car though if you don't need. Bop The inspectors and training and realtime monitoring. I call you a thousand times. You're telling me no a thousand times but if you keep understanding what the organization does and how we're trying to improve in technology technology and the things that we're doing. Conventional Marketing doesn't work today. Because like I said I can put out one video. I have ten thousand followers. A company has ten thousand followers hours. Colin Lakes and his followers are seeing it. The you reach the masses in minutes versus picking up the phone and dialing and dialing and dialing the the gatekeepers disappeared on social media came out ultimately if if somebody was looking to to to use your services or whatnot you versus a competitor editor you now. Are you have face so people are doing business with a person right and a company that has a face as opposed to doing business with with company X.. Where nobody has any clue who works there? WHO's the face of the company and so that report is not quite the same as it is with you who may be putting out content and most of the time most content? I think in especially for B. Two B. Stuff is usually educational in your guiding people through something to now you become this trusted adviser because you're Dealing with more educated buyers before anybody even picks up the phone in the first place there eighty to ninety percent of the way there by the time they even make that call Senate email or reach Chattanooga yourself staff and so I think that's why whenever people come on the show. I think that's why they're able to get a lot of Inquiries for their services and the products because now people feel so connected to their stories right. It's Kinda like I watched the the queen documentary a little while back and then I was listening to Queen for like two months afterwards. It's because I feel so connected to the story of Freddie Mercury and the ups and downs and all that kind of stuff and So I think that goes a long ways so we went super off track but I think it was all great rated formation and I think it's super relevant things we've been talking about lately so like you said everybody wants to know what is deepwater subsea. So what are you guys actually do so good question question so deepwater subsea is a subsidy operational excellence company. We do the the. Up Verification inspections the bessie required inspections. So we go the rigs. We inspect the blowout preventers We inspect them for compliance to the regulation. So we're not going out as the em taking measurements and doing all those things. We're going to validate validate that the work is actually being done. And we document that on top of that we also do real time monitoring so the new regulations require if you're in the Gulf of Mexico that you have real time monitoring of here's subsea blowout preventers and so currently Were the the largest real time monitoring company in the Gulf of Mexico Were the somebody else just started so it's kind of a loose to say it this way but we were the only company that did both be. Up Inspections and realtime monitoring and the benefit to that is with the blowout preventers on the ocean floor. were seeing all the issues that has right so now and it comes back up on deck. Our compliance inspectors are going out. And it's like hey look. Here's all the problems that we saw. Aw Let's make sure they get documented fixed and you're actually putting a better product back in the water On top of that we do a lot of training what I'll call unconventional training When I started the company I looked at the market and I actually gave my peers credit or Mike my competitors credit I said what do they do? What do they do? Good what could we do better. And there are people who had a stronghold in the training portion of the industry and I just said I'm not going to compete with those guys had the head. I'm going to build courses that no one's ever done before and the value is Johnny. Subsidy is always say he can come to that course and actually go back to work with knowledge and information that he can use today today versus you know how does a blowout preventer work. Well he knows that his trainee Major said You have to take this class and so he shows up and he goes okay. But if I said I'm GonNa take twenty years of knowledge from working on the rigs working in the corporate office work in technical field support and I'm gonNA teach you how to be better at your job now. You can go back immediately immediately and put that to work and so when when people ask what is what is deepwater subsea. I always go back to where subsea operational excellence company because we focus on the bigger picture we can do. Make sure the guys on the rigor doing their job. We can make sure they're compliant and they're documenting and they're doing the work that they're supposed to do. We do the inspections the real time monitoring on top of that. So get a lot to unpack here. where I want to start is a lot of people that are listening? Let's kind of explain Bop The inspections and the importance of because even like someone like me. So I've spent time both deepwater Gulf of Mexico and on land and like I'm thinking right now when I rough neck for a couple years on land. I don't think we ever had an inspection once on Buell. PS It's nowhere near strict as BESSIE is In Gulf of Mexico. So you know I think like bring movie just dragging her fucking beal p across location you know by a chain and then just stack it up and get it nipple doped and be good run bike to work. Yeah so one. Let's talk about why this business model even exist because there obviously some big events on deepwater horizon then You know a lot of people familiar with that story in losing control of that well and so ever since then. Regulations have really tightened up I'm Anne how re remind me how often do we have to do B. O. P. inspections now offshore has it once a month or every time you have to inspected visually with our of every three days this okay so every three days every time the blowup preventer comes back to the surface at has to have. It's mandatory. That third party does a compliance verification inspection Shen and so back to the start up of the business we started the business in a downturn one of the Boars downturns that that are industries seen right. Meanwhile you're was this Twenty fifth turned five next month. Okay yet twenty. Ten teams yet. What I said is if I'M GONNA get into business I'm GonNa go where it's mandatory? VIP inspections are mandatory realtime monitoring mandatory. I'm not coming to the market with a nice to have the mark with a have to have and we're going to be the best of the half to have stuff which will help me push out the competition because now I'm focusing laser focused on one part of the industry. Something that you have to have and so oh I'm not coming to pitch you on this. Hey I got this brand new product. I'm coming to pitch you with. I have a better product than what the the company you're currently using us. And you hire. The talent goes to work. And so after Macondo the the federal regulator bessie ms now betsy mandated that before the up can go back to work work. It has to have a basically a verification by an independent third party that says at the BJP's fit for service without that the up doesn't go back in the water. So on the real time monitoring what are you guys actually monitoring in real time. So it's it's the coolest thing you've ever seen is if you get a chance to come on you gotta see it We should for sure so a blowout preventer from one of the. Oem's Cameron and Lovie GE sends in about four thousand data points off into the control system. We get that entire feedback to our office and so everything that what happens in the blowout preventer pressures functions alarms everything we get that feedback to us and so all we do. Is We turn around and visualize all of that information and so were calculating the rate of change or calculating how often function takes place at functioning. The way it's supposed to if it doesn't then we can go back to the drilling contractor and the operator and say there's a problem that's taking place and we're actually seeing things at such a granular level that visually you don't know that there's a problem with the blowup. AWW preventer but we can see in our office that that is starting to use the term leak because everybody gets all up in arms that leading indicator that something starting to happen and we can see it before it actually starts happen as walt four thousand data points come out from a BP yes so that's one of the new systems actually has thirty six two thousand and so there's just blows my mind. It's overwhelming if you try to look at and it's I understand the why they do at the OEM does but it's like the low level the low low level the joked super-low level. And it's like just give me the low level high level. I know what the normal ranges it's GonNa drop in those ranges while you're functioning thing it but the OEM's have set up so many targets for these different alarm levels that probably fits in that so many intervals instead of just giving a range that makes sense so you probably have twenty eight thousand tags so you could just flush out and yeah I need them but cut it down to ten thousand two thousand fifteen you decide to start deepwater subsea. Obse you identify that you want to start a business where there's a need not something necessarily. That's a want her extra bells and whistles. What did you do before that know how? How did how are you? Aware of the opportunity. just a little bit about your experience before you started the company. Yes so Coming right out of high school I joined the Navy Worked on nuclear submarines submarines with torpedoes and cruise missiles and weapons delivery systems. A school spent ten years and Had An opportunity to go work offshore on as a substitute trainy and Sara work on the rigs and so worked my way up Worked on three different rates Here in the Gulf and down in Brazil and then I always saw aw a desire to get into technical support and help the guys and because one of the things that the navy talk is really to learn your systems to be a subject matter expert. Because when you're underwater water if something happens you have a split second to react to. If you're firing a torpedo go off. You need to know exactly what causing exactly where to go. Look and so. I took that philosophy in that that methodology of how we were trained to oil and gas and so from there I got technical field support. worked my way up to the corporate office to drilling contractors and then was given an opportunity to go to a startup consulting company Different management philosophies. I guess I swear to put it and then when you think about starting a business I actually reserved the domain name deepwater subsea you see back in two thousand and one. I started the industry in ninety eight. I lost it because I didn't renew it back. You know you're like oh I got this domain Maine and just went away and so I would periodically check department. Say nope nope and then one day it was like Deepwater Subsea available twenty years. The trump towels like I don't care what it costs twenty years. I'M GONNA own been waiting decades. Yeah and UH I quit. I quit my job on a Friday and was offshore. Deepwater Substan- Monday and it was. I didn't sit back and go like. Oh what's the market look like. And what's the industry. Look like. I literally had one of those moments where it was like. I'm done I got a phone call as you look something. Something's going on now is like you know what I'm done called my chief administrative officer who's much even administrative officer now instead you got thirty minutes. I'm going to be at the office dropping all my stuff off. You can come with me or you can stay offshore deepwater subsea on Monday and she was working from the House and trying to banking insurance all the rest of it but he'll come out. Let's go which your boss say when you're quitting the fast what you're going to do. Well they knew you. Now when I walked in they knew what had happened and comments were made in a meeting and got back to me and I just said I'm not playing and the next thing you know we're direct competitors competitors and they get bought out and go out of business and it's like all right. Let's let's have. Some fun is very similar. I just wanted I'm done and I just turned in my notice and what what drove you to do that. Have you always known have always been entrepreneurial. Did you always have this Pinson of going off on your own or was it. Just you know. Some different variables led to it a little bit of both I used to when I was at a drilling contractor I used to joke with a couple of the other guys. And that's you. Yeah we start our own company. You know it's like would a company pay acts for you to save them. Why and they're like? We should do that. And I'm like okay well who we're going to go. Do this would would call me and Colin and Jacob. Oh go start this company. I don't know if I want to go to work with you. Guys know what it was a lot of safe from this to the idea of would accompany higher. You know 'cause you I would watch surveyors out watch these other guys. Come out to the Reagan. They're back back then. It was like the guys who are retiring like just GonNa Make Day. Ray Do my thing and for me. It was always that you're not going to change the industry industry but you can influence the way people do their work and for me. I always saw a different way to attack situation. Even with the real time monitoring data will come come in but if you look at it differently I don't look at it from. How do I take a product to the market to deliver it to shell or BP or Transocean? Or whoever I say okay how do I take this product and make that guy's job easier to make the industry safer to really look at you know delivering value to the customer a lot of people. Who are entrepreneurs always always go? What's in it for me? You'll make money by providing a good product and service. If you're focused on the money on your own you'll never make you might make for a little bit but then people see through to who you really are. Yeah absolutely get toll a time like did you give away too much stuff and I do I really though. Would you give away a time to be the sole provider of a service to a major oil company. They can call me twenty four seven. I don't care because I'm their only customer. The only provider for serving realtime in this kind of wraps back into the conversation of being able to measure. Roi Right and the value that you provide to the market and it's the same with the content like you're providing content providing value to the market and allow. I think a lot of people get caught up in. It's not black and white right right. They can't they can't measure. Roi Tangible or a wife from that. And it's Kinda the same thing here you know you're like hey I'm going to provide all this value and we're gonNA THAT'S GONNA keep us in business long term. It's going to keep our client's happy if an unknown stead of Camille with another data product where you're aggregating all this data and then selling it off to shel know a lot of entrepreneurs think that way and that's the way that they would move but I really like your approach of wishes deliver ten times the value. Oh you overdeliver and then the business will flourish over time yet especially you know especially the real time monitoring it's mandatory here. It's not mandatory and other places in the world so back when the regulation was first coming out people would say I have to do it on rig acts because there. It's in the Gulf and I have to do this and I go. Don't forget regulations for a moment. Do you know what your rig in West Africa looks like right. Now do you know of its operating the way it's supposed to act you know if you guys are even operating reading it at all. Everybody gets focused on the. I have to have this because and when you show them look forget regulation. What is the value to you? Here's an operations team sitting in the woodland's no one. That's your Reagan. West Africa is operating. The way it's supposed to and I can see the pressure test and I can see the pods. Are they leaking. It's really trying to re educate the mind of you know I have to do this because it's like. Yeah you do here in the Gulf of Mexico but if I add that business value value back to them and say Okay I've invested in a Saas Service which which cost money but I'd give it back to the customer for free and people are like well. That's weird that you're you're you're buying a service that you don't back charge to the customer and I go. No what's weird. Is that your only focused on. How do I charge the customer? I look at it and go. Oh I'm giving you a tool that you enjoy using that now you go. That's interesting if I can do it on this rig can I deal with the other seventeen rigs I have worldwide. Yes you can talk about doing all these other eggs as well and it's like okay. That twenty thousand dollars product that I bought turns is into you. Know two million dollars the real time monitoring all because of you're making an investment in the future of what you're trying to do because not every said said one time your investment technology might not give you an Roi at all. It might just make you better at doing your job. It's not going to build another product or service is just how do you influence the market with what you have so so you started left. Her job in getting two thousand fifteen said he'd been around for five years yep starting fifteen hundred percent bootstrap no no debt no investment no infusion of capital clearly 401k. Four one K.. And let's go to work and it's I tell people like I'm all in all in means I'm all in. There's something about all in that. A lot of people preach have a plan. B Have a plan C.. But I think in entrepreneurship by only having a plan a and by going all in on that plan. You really see what you're made of if you keep telling yourself there's a plan. B There's a plan C.. There's always a fallback. Are you really pushing your limits. Are you really seeing if you could do everything that you can do. Are you working as hard as you. Are you working as efficiently as you. Can you know there's a lot of different I always put money into my 401k. It was my entrepreneurship entrepreneurship. Fun Like I knew that when I quit I was cashing that out. I'll take that twenty percent tax at ten percent penalty. Put money away for that And what's weird is sorry just real quick. What's weird on? That is as an entrepreneur. I've had people come to me and say what's your exit strategy and like what I have twenty eight people that worked for me like I'm not. I'm not leaving these twenty people high and dry because I was like woo hit that number out of your guys. Good luck to you. It's like for me. It's it's provide provide a service provider service providers. The best. Do on it. It's not it's different because you're not building a tech product but it's provide that service respond to the industry. Be The best. Hire the best people the exodus come when you're right at that happened but if you sit down the beginning and go five years and I'm out you'll you'll never never make it because your greed will overpower you to say I got. I'm not never investing anything. That's going to be my exit. You have to constantly reinfuse capital. We talked before for. I think it's amazing. What you guys do all the stuff? I did all that stuff myself because I went. Okay I did a video one time. I said You'd be surprised what you can learn. Learn for twenty nine ninety nine and thirty days and people are like what are you talking about. Is it GonNa Amazon by a book. Download a free thirty day trial of the software and learn Microsoft project checked. Because that's where the industry's going for project planning after thirty days. Renew it so. I bought a book. I've taught myself youtube. Gone all the rest of it and now I know how to do Microsoft project versus walking into a job and they go. Have you ever done project before. You're like what what is project next you know. It's like invest in yourself invest in time and it comes down and pin resourceful resourceful Mrs like the number one thing that we look for Bringing me anybody on we're GONNA work with at all Do you have more information mation at your fingertips and you've ever had in the history of existence. Educate yourself whatever you WANNA learn. There's no reason you don't have to go to college. There's online courses there's free courses there's blog post there's youtube videos like Collins. Kids were like building computers and stuff and they're like eight years old based on what they see on Youtube. I had a so one guy that destroyed. Her team is big into expert systems and artificial intelligence machine learning. We're down days talking about python and I'm like I know what Python Hi Thanh is. I'm familiar with it. And then I went online and watched a video and I was like what like. Oh No hold on a second and when you when you open your eyes to technology will now now. My desk is full of machine learning and pandas. And all this other stuff and the team is like what do you do with all these books. Sounds like if I just find one little piece that falls into what we're looking for that thirty dollars book you know it but it's the time especially as a business owner if you understand the next challenge if you you understand how to make a podcast how to do video editing. That day that the guy goes. I can't do this. You're like I got it but when you relies so much on others do you talk off line about how do you. How do you reserve costs? And how do you really like bootstrap hard A fault of mine has been bootstrapping too. You hard instead of going okay. Well I'm going to hire an outsource making a three D. model. My mindset was just download autocad this out you know aww Dude you have no time and it's like okay so I- outsource in two days later. There's the model right so there's also backfires on you at times. I think it depends on how. How like how quickly do you need something? If it's if it's you're looking for a year from now for me for example if I was like one of the things I'm doing right now is I'm pretty much putting myself through You I you ex school and so I'm trying to learn everything there is to what are the best prices for building beautiful software product and something. That's kind of come More naturally but I have really no formal training at all and so if I needed something by tomorrow or next week. I'm outsourcing. I'm delegating if I needed by. I'm planning for the next year. I'm really just educating myself. So that I can be a better leader with a team that we have moving forward right one thing. I really Elliott kind of changing the topical. Quick one thing. I really appreciated about Mike when he came in here is. Since he's done content dunk podcasts video. He walked in and appreciated. Appreciated everything that we've done with you know the multi camera angles and even though like our set up here in those studios not impressive at all. Just how much work goes into the back again and so I appreciate what you did back in the day putting out content. Because I know it sucks sucks you know having a record in an upload of the computer and then edit and then publish I mean you're talking about a long process you know the make that three minute video can take you know hour hour and a half however long it takes you chop it up and edit and export so you know I think you talk about outsourcing and bootstrapping and it's always a fine balance right because there's are are those stages where you don't have resources to outsource so you have to do everything yourself but then maybe you start getting to that threshold to her. Hey maybe I could outsources little part art and I can start focusing on growth opportunities A little more. You know. We're talking about our podcast and really I think the only thing that if jake and our editing it for a year and a half I don't think we'd be able to stick with it and so from right from the get go where like. Hey we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA hire an editor and Jacob best a a lot of money into this over the last year and a half. It's cost us a lot of money but I don't think that we would continue if we had that burden of doing all the editing all the time. Well if I can kind of touch on that real quick because it's true when you when you do it yourself and we put out. I put out one hundred videos. Radio's of the daily grind. I mean when I the bad thing was there was never an end but when I hit one hundred dollars down in Brazil it's a daily grind to put out it was exactly and so when I did the hundred then I started. I talked about the peers and stuff and guys like. Oh Yeah I saw your video like ha ha you know. It's like that mental grind started happening of. Have you know our my peers. Starting to look at this where before it was the guy who was looking for a job now the industry starting to come back and you had the the a trash talking and you had the the negativity coming back your way and I never got into it because I was like I. I didn't make this video for you yet. But it is started getting to the point where I started started over thinking the content versus like I mentioned before I'd be driving to work. It'd be like today. I talk about this walk in set up banging out throwing out then. It started turning into do almost a job. You know like video today on. I have no idea what I haven't already taught about one hundred other episodes that I want to talk about today. uh-huh and I found myself stop. I would stop watching other people's content because I was like they're just regurgitating the same message over again and then it started getting to buy my book. Go do this. You know now's like I started tuning now. Yeah so then I stopped and then it was like then when you throw a new one out you would never get hundreds and thousands of views is just the one that was really really helped me today. Get through the moment was having then you sit back and you're like all right. It was all worth yet to measure the depth that no not not the width. You know like you said you're not getting millions of us but you get that one that's what makes it l. worth it right and so no you talked about your time down in Brazil and talking about the daily grind and talking about you know kind of lifting people's spirits and the downturn in your team told everyone to push forward and something told me before the podcast started was your grappler wrestling edge Jitsu in just that kind of daily grind mentality is very much wrestling mentality. So see that in you when you talk about the type of content that you put out an kind of your attitude in the way that you approach things so You know that's that's one thing that this is my plug for grappling. If can't tell you want to start practicing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu wrestling up. Tell you what's the greatest this sport in the world because it's funny. I had a competitor one day. Say Hey look you know if you're GONNA roll out this into this part of the market we're GONNA run you over and my answer. Joan was you know what's funny about that. I said I grew up in combat sports and the beauty of combat sports as you and I walked on the Mat. And if you beat me I shook your hand and I went back and figured you're not wired lost but if I beat you then I get to sit and smile for a little bit but there is no excuses like my wrestling coach. You tell me he beat you and there's always somebody out there working harder to try to beat you and I'd say all the time one of the one of my former employees who Went to be a youth pastor. You're always joke when people say it was a former employee. We've only we have had people quit. But it's Kinda hard when it comes in and says I'm GonNa be a youth pastor and you're like well I guess gods kind of a more powerful source than your business owners but he would always made the comment. He says the problem with your competition as if they're shown up their sunglasses on. It's too late because you've already been here for four hours and that grind of like you're not gonNa work me and as soon as I take my foot off the gas. I know there's other organizations organizations I have twenty thirty fifty people that could just blow right passes which is where being agile comes in and the move very quickly but yeah wrestling's greatest there's Men Fulfil bad. Because I can't remember the wrestler's name off the top of my head but a great wrestler and I can't remember if he's at the Olympics or some other really high level tournament and he came in second can place he lost in his dead Put his arm around him and said you got what you deserved in simulating that. You don't work as hard as you could have and I think that you always have to you know I talk about this on twitter. You've probably seen some of my tweets sometimes but twitter's going through this anti hustle movement and very like you know and the really imminent like Gary V and John Mosque and some of the early Silicon Valley founders that say hey you got a grind grind grind in grind. And I feel like you can't rely on. Twitter has an overall observation of the population. Because it's just a subset usually vocal subset. But they're fucking soft. You only hear the loudest. Yeah they're soft and makes it in my opinion easy for the people that are hard nose and have that mindset of just keep pushing pushing forward and you know going through the daily Grind Day in and day out like you can find success just by outworking everyone around you seven the conversation with somebody eight last night about just exactly and I think anxiety itself gets a bad rap because if I didn't have anxiety I don't think I would work nears damn hard as I do because that anxiety keeps me up at night saying how can we do better. How can we do more? How can I be more efficient? Somebody's going to knock us off. Everything we have today is going to be gone tomorrow. Having gone from feeling like I was on top to bottom multiple times and say I never never WanNa be there again and I will do everything my power to our work. Everybody You know and so it's you should have if you don't have some sort of Beings Eddie as an entrepreneur. You really need to check yourself because you're really not pushing your limits. You're not trying hard enough. You're not out of your comfort zone. There's a book champion minds. Talks about that like you know this before match. He started getting the butterflies. And he's no start having a little bit of self doubt or whatever it might be in talks about Fundamental Butcher. This quote something about controlling the butterflies and using them to your advantage Phil. That's the same for entrepreneurs you get up especially when you're bootstraps especially when bootstrapping. This is where being over. Capitalized can hurt you. Because you don't have that sense of urgency but when you're bootstrapped I mean every day can be life and death of the company right and so you have that that Anxiety that comes from inside came in gotTa Push Push Push says my mic up at four thirty in the morning. He says you can go watch old videos. Look get the clock. It's four thirty five o'clock in the morning because I mean you're doing what you have to do right well. You know one of my employees the other day and I always talk about the deepwater Subsea family family right and people like. Oh It's it's your company but you won't hear me say Damn it. I'm the owner. It's this is the team. This is the family this this and people say you know. Did you take a break. And it's like you've been gone five years nonstop and it's like yeah I do and I have but I feel that I have twenty seven twenty eight mortgages sitting on my shoulders and as soon as I take my foot off the gas. I'M GONNA look over and everybody's GonNa go Mike Tickets foot off the gas we can take. I guess one of our team members the other days was talking to another team member and they said you know what my livelihood depends on your hustle and it was. I'm not talking and go work like Mike. Does it was unique to be focused on what happens because my mortgage relies on you just like Mike Mortgage and such and such as mortgage and everybody else's but the team look at that way they're like we're all part of this together if you're at a BP Shell Transocean and you WanNa take a day off and scare off Biondi twenty percent of your job and to sit and surf the Internet. You can do it and you'll still get a paycheck and you'll still be that person everybody goes Now we know it doesn't produce but when you're when you're an entrepreneur you don't have that luxury of going we can coast for a while because somebody else is trying to knock you off and when you're the new startup in the industry you're competing against the establishment companies that have been around ten fifteen twenty years fifty fifty years one hundred years. Some of these bigger ones. And you're trying to come into the market and the first thing people tell you is. How long have you guys been in business six months now? We don't want to go to the dance with a they won. And it's like no but I've been in the industry twenty years but your company's only been around six months and so we have to take that to management to say we're going to get rid of the establishment to go with the new guys and so the grind and the hustle is constantly there to prove yourself each and every day but as I tell a team you send the email to the wrong person and you have the wrong message. They disappear that fast and when they disappear that one customer could be a fifth of the revenue for the entire company. You'd we need to think about who you're messaging and who you're talking to and all the rest last us. I think we're on the verge of something really really great conversation. And what unpack it I know. Usually we cut it forty five five minutes onto just dive a little bit deeper in here because it's something that we've talked a lot about privately but we've never really addressed it on the Mike. We always dress it when we were driving back and forth to something. It's now that so I became a father. What almost two years ago right so prior to that? I don't think I'd take it in single vacation. Five years the only actual today I've only actual vacation. I would consider. It was my honeymoon and that was seven years ago Everything else was kind of just like it's a family get together together. It's at Christmas but it's not really a vacation. It's getting your family together right. I still have a ton of guilt when I go up to the ranch on the weekends for taking the weekends is off right but now as a father and Collins had you he has three kids and so a lot of time whenever I'm approaching a new challenge and he's a season season dad so I come to him and I'm like hey how're you. How do you think about this right so now I think about when I go home? I don't open my laptop anymore more. which is something that I used to do? It used to. It was one hundred percent twenty four seven. I was working around the clock. I was taking calls to eleven o'clock at night. I was waking waking up early. I was completely doing everything that I could within. I was working as hard as I possibly could right but then there comes at time of what what are you doing all the work for in can I be even more efficient during the work day. It's on to say that I don't do it. The important part of this conversation is how can you improve efficiency officiency during your time that you are working instead of just being busy. Because I think what a lot of people understand the difference between his productivity city and being busy and it's easy you know. I think that we've seen this kind of like a love. Gary v Love. What he's doing but he's encouraged? People Dislike non-stop non-stop non-stop non-stop non-stop. And but what are you actually doing. So I've had this conversation Jake many times but it's like hey on from five. Am to five PM or six PM. Whenever I leave office on be extremely productive in those hours then I want to go spend an hour or two hours with my kids before they go to bed and be very disciplined in my time? What I'm doing within those time slots so you get if you get in a twenty four hour in happens to me all the time I do it but I feel like you can burn out at a time so yet to manage that balance as well? I'm sure are you had very similar. you know twenty four hour you know always thinking about the business. It's it's constant. I mean now just thinking about it. John Wooden had a great quote. Was Yes Are you being active or you being productive. You know kids in the playground or are being active maybe not very productive but it's understanding outstanding when you go in for that twelve hour slot am I being productive or am I just busy doing stuff right and so there's Times at the office I'll I'll go on. I'll say look guys. I'm sure on the door and even though it is a glass you know glass window and stuff and it's like we conceive Kinda like I put my headphones on and it's like I'm not being disrespectful. I need need this hour to get this done and sometimes I go to the door and my chief administrative officers like don't don't don't go in there because I have to get this done. But that's the biggest challenge right. I mean when you're an entrepreneur. It's like an coming out with new products and new services and you know machine learning artificial intelligence and all this stuff you're constantly grinding and thinking about like if I can do this I can do this. I can do this and you find yourself at times consumed and with what's next right and then my my baby's twenty three you turn on your like. She's twenty three like worded all that time. Go but I I guess you have a twenty three year old. Have a twenty eight year old. So but it's it's a downfall. I think of entrepreneurs is an and if you look at Gary v always on the go always running gun but one thing he says is my family times my family time and as an when is that you now but it's too easy to get consumed in the business and I. I feel the exact same way that you mentioned. It was on the weekends. I would go the office and just checking. One of the guys is like. How's everything going what's going on and the last couple of weekends? It's like I'm not going to go to the office and I feel like like I'm going through withdrawals to like. I've even made the comment to two on the team members that I feel like I'm neglecting the team by not going to the office because it's almost like while Mike didn't come in. I wonder what's the matter better. Nothing's matter makes like he's detox security sleeping because it is twenty four seven you know and it's so you got an hour and a half sleep last night because I was working on stuff and it's like the end of the betsy regulations Four o'clock rolled around. Like do I stay up our do. I try to crash for for a brief period so I crashed for an hour and a half especially have it bad because literally is twenty four seven four. He's not real time monitoring will be operations. That's twenty four seven o'clock so I mean and even when no here in bed you're on the phone rings all the time. Yeah in the customers will call me at five thirty in the morning. And they're like I know you're at the office. What's a good thing you know? My might sketch his but they do. They know that I'm already up Amari at the office Yes I mean that's You know in this business. I think that you know. Especially if you're on oilfield services side or any type of service type business in oil and gas. I mean. This industry is twenty four seven and so thank that founders and entrepreneurs have an even worse in this industry because we're running a gun in time and if you don't pick up that phone at five thirty you know what what's that GonNa look like to to the customer customer that's depending on you for real time monitoring you know that's You know I've got a lot of respect for you and that So now now you guys are getting goes getting to the end of time. I want to give you a nugget that I've been hanging onto flew for all of your listeners. What are we got here? Today's marketing is has done a one hundred percent backwards. And here's here's what I mean by that. Conventional wisdom in the old oil and gas industry was go for the top dog. I need to get that manager journeyed to get that director. I need to get the God. I need to get the decision maker. I the reason youtube the reason Lincoln. I'm looking at the top guy. I'm looking at the bottom guy that's GonNa feed the top guy with has saw this thing. Hey we should bring this guy in. Hey there's a training course that we should go to if I'm pounding that top director all the time that top manager. It's one on one but if I hit a hundred and fifty of his guys now oh he's getting deep water subsidy parts of it's coming from all directions on Fifty Champions Inside Preaching Your Gospel for you. It makes it so much easier agree a hundred percent and that that I think it's missed a lot especially with startups. They're like who is the decision maker know. Who's the person that's going to use your product? WHO's the guy that's GonNa come to your class? They're going to go to their boss and say there's a training course. I WANNA take if I go to the director training for a company. They're going to be like now. You know but if all the guys are guys is on the radio coming from all different directions. We are on training matrices for drilling contractors because the guys in the field said we want to take this class. They took the class. So that's one of the best classes I've ever taken went back to the company and they said well. Let's just put on the Matrix for everybody. That's easiest way to go about it because now it's a constant feeder versus trying to attack the top very grassroots. So well Mike Pitch coming on the show man if people wanNA reach out to you. Can they find you. Only thin shells Dell's websites deepwater Subsea Dot Com twenty years in the making the head. So I'm sure you guys have contact form on their cool awesome well. This is a great conversation. Mike appreciate you coming on it. Are you guys. I hope you enjoyed the episode with Mike. 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How Do You Deep Fry a Turkey?

BrainStuff

09:26 min | 1 year ago

How Do You Deep Fry a Turkey?

"Where can you pick up both ice cream? And Ice Skates Electric toothbrushes and Electric Guitar AMPs at Walgreens. That's because you can now pick up your Fedex packages right where you shop. This holiday is helping you take more control of your deliveries to send your packages to a Fedex pickup location at walgreens and. Don't worry about being home to receive them with over eight thousand locations across the country. You can find one convenient to you visit Fedex dot com slash holiday guide to learn more welcome to bring install a production of IHEART radio. Hey brain stuff lauren. Vogel bomb here properly deep. Frying Turkey can make you a hero of your next next holiday dinner when done right. A deep fried Turkey is a juicy crispy alternative to roasted which can be easily overcooked or undercooked however deep frying involves cooking with a large amount of very hot oil. That's why it must be executed with caution and precision. You need to plan your Turkey fries. Several as an advance for reasons of both safety and flavor. And even if you're never planning on doing this perhaps because like me you injure yourself pan frying food. Hopefully you'll find. The process is fascinating as I do. But okay before you even start thinking about frying. Get all the equipment you could possibly need together including a fire extinguisher. Safer use on oil fires because you never know also you'll need a few aluminum roasting pans kitchen towels tongs things and both a meat thermometer and oil thermometer. Plus make sure you have a hook to lower and lift the Turkey into and out of the oil. This is not a hands on kind of project. Also be sure that you have a safe spot for frying a flat and fireproof surface. Not your wooden deck please and planned to have someone someone stay with the Turkey the entire time it's in the Fryer and decide how you will discard the used oil ahead of time. You can save it for reusing or throw it away in a disposable container container once it's cooled or check with your local government lots of cities and municipalities have disposal or even recycling programs for cooking oil. Just don't pour it down any of your drains the once. You're all prepped. You can proceed to step one choosing your Turkey. You're going to want to opt for smaller Turkey. You want a bird. That's about a quarter due to a third of the size of your fryers. PUTT that will leave plenty of room for the oil to completely surrounded. The bird wants you submerge. It attended twelve pound Turkey. That's about four and a half after five and a half kilos is a good size for most outdoor friars make a note of the Turkeys. Wait a plan to FRY Turkey for three to three and a half minutes per pound step one be after you get your bird home and before you do anything else but it in your fire pot and fill the pot with water just to the point that it covers the bird remove the Turkey and then mark the water level. That's the level to which you'll want to add oil when it comes time for frying okay step to thaw oil and brine the Turkey Dumping Rosenberg and hot oil composite explosion so be sure to allow enough time to completely thaw out your Turkey. It's it's easiest to throw on the fridge. Over the course of a few days you can even keep it in its original packaging and just plop it in one of those roasting pans to catch the juice but for how long you want to allow twenty four hours of time per every five pounds or two kilos of Turkey. Wait if you're working with the aforementioned ten to twelve pound Turkey that'll fit most outdoor fryers. That means you're looking at about two full days or forty eight to fifty hours to be precise during the final eighteen to twenty four Hours of putting or once. It's totally thought if you like. It's time to start wet broadening your Turkey because when you fry Turkey you won't be able to stuff the cavity with aromatics like you can. When you roast one and any rubs fresh herbs on or under the skin would wash away or burn but Brian gives you an opportunity to flavor the meat before cooking cooking it and to tender is it? There are lots of recipes for Brian's on the Internet but the basic is one and a half cups of salt and a cup of sugar dissolved a gallon of water farrar metric friends. That's about three hundred and sixty milliliters of salt and two hundred and forty milliliters of sugar in about three point seven liters of water you can also also at herbs or spices. Check out a few recipes and see what sounds good once made refrigerate the Brian until it's forty degrees Fahrenheit that's four degrees Celsius or colder then placed the Turkey and a brining bag or large pot. Poor the Brian in end-seal or cover Brian for eighteen to twenty four hours in the fridge. What's happening during the step? Is that through the power of Moses. The meat absorbs some of the liquid and the Salt de Nature's proteins in it proteins are these is big folded up messes of molecules like necklaces. That have somehow merged while sitting in your jewelry box or a like a string after your cat or child has gotten to it. Salt relaxes some proteins. Making muscle fibers less tough and letting water molecules and anything else. That's in the water. Move in and hang out but but then because he want the effects of the Brian Without that extra moisture we come to step three. Drying the Turkey after your bird is Brian for eighteen to twenty four four hours. You want to let it dry out. This stuff takes an entire day but it helps create a crisp skin by preventing the skin from steaming during the FRY so clear shelf in your fridge and place a drying rack in or over a large shallow roasting pan remove the Turkey from the brine discard. The Brian had the Turkey dry. And place the Turkey on on top of the rack. And let it drip dry in the fridge uncovered for twenty four hours then step three. It's time to FRY remove the Turkey from the fridge. uh-huh place it in a clean aluminum pan and let it sit at room temperature for thirty to sixty minutes. This'll help the Turkey. Cook faster and more evenly. Meanwhile set up your fryer according to the manufacturer's instructions at your oil just to the fill line that you marked previously peanut oil corn oil canola cottonseed safflower soybean and sunflower. Our Oil. Are All good options. Follow the instructions for bringing the oil up to the proper frying temperature which is three hundred fifty degrees Fahrenheit or one hundred seventy six degrees Celsius using your hook very slowly submerged the Turkey into the hot oil about a quarter of the time and wait one to two minutes between each move lowering. The Turkey slowly allows the oil to better maintain the proper frying temperature remember. The cool bird will lower the oil temperature. So Oh you want to give the oil time to heat back up to the optimal temp. If you submerge the Turkey too fast the temperature of the oil may drop below freezing temperature and then you'll just be boiling oiling. The Turkey and oil frying seals in the juices boiling releases. THEM FRY the Turkey for about three to three and a half minutes per pound until the internal arnold temperature is one hundred and sixty degrees Fahrenheit or seventy one degrees Celsius the. USDA instructs us to Cook Poultry to one hundred sixty five degrees Fahrenheit or seventy three Celsius. But but when you take your Turkey out one sixty degrees it will continue to cook from the residual heat a phenomenon that chess sometimes call carry over cooking. If you leave your Turkey in the oil oil all the way until it reaches one sixty five it will continue cooking and reach a final temp above that. Maybe one hundred and seventy degrees Fahrenheit or seventy six degrees Celsius and the Turkey. Eighty will be dry when you do remove the Turkey from the friar with your hook transfer it to a clean. Aluminum Roasting Pan to allow it to drain the moments after your Turkey comes out of the friar a good opportunity to add extra flavor a lot of cooks like to sprinkle a dry rub on the bird at this point finally step for rest both you and the Turkey. This is perhaps the most important step for juicy Turkey. Once the Turkey has done loosely. Cover it with foil and let it rest for at least thirty thirty minutes before you carve it. Basically you want to allow them meet of the Turkey to cool down as it cooks the muscle fibers in meat firm up pushing juices outward heard by resting the Turkey or upstate for that matter. You're letting those fibers relax and allowing juices inside to redistribute if you carpet too early. The juices will flow out and and your Turkey again. We'll be dry once you've led the Turkey rest. Harv as usual and enjoy your feet. Today's episode was written by Shawn Chavez and produced Tyler. Clang brainstorm is production of iheartradio's has works for more than this lots of other tasty topics visit at our home planet as tough works dot com and for more podcastone. My heart radio was I heart. Radio APP APPLE PODCASTS. Or wherever you listen to your favorite show the easiest used to find holiday gifts for everyone on my list is online end now. 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Activists: Elizabeth Fry

Encyclopedia Womannica

06:42 min | 4 months ago

Activists: Elizabeth Fry

"This week's episodes of encyclopedia. Will Manica are brought to you by bonfire. The easiest way to design sell an order premium shirts off virtually and risk free with no out of pocket costs on Bonfire Dot Com you can upload a design or use their templates and they'll take care of printing and shipping to your buyers. The platform allows you to fundraise to your. Community by encouraging supporters to wear your message loud and proud they're trusted by the women's March, rock the vote, and now wonder media network. To check out the encyclopedia. MANTECA T shirt we designed to support the show and sign up for bonfire to kick off your own activist campaign at wonder. Media Network Dot, com slash bonfire that's wonder media network dot com slash bonfire. Hello from Wonder Media Network. I'm Jenny Kaplan and this is encyclopedia Monica. Today's activist was a major proponent of prison reform in Britain. She's known as the Angel of prisons. Let's talk about Elizabeth Fry. Elizabeth Gurney was born in Norwich Norfolk in seventeen eighty to a wealthy quaker family. Her Father John was a successful banker and her mother Catherine was a member of the family that founded Barclays Bank which still operates is one of the largest banks in the world. Elizabeth was the odd one out amongst her siblings. She experienced mood swings and had difficulty learning which biographers attribute to her dyslexia. Elizabeth once said I was thought and called very stupid and obstinate I certainly did not like learning nor did I believe attend my lessons when Elizabeth was twelve years old her mother passed away and Elizabeth was left to care for her younger sisters and brothers. Eighteen hundred at the age of twenty. Elizabeth Mary Joseph Fry London banker and quaker together. They had many children most sources say eleven, five sons and six daughters though some sources suggest that had even more kids. Elizabeth was an observant quaker and frequently worshipped at the Friends Meeting House. It was there the she heard Williams savory preach about the importance of altruism and philanthropy. His words inspired Elizabeth to help those in need. In eighteen thirteen elizabeth visited newgate prison, which was notorious for its filthy state and its dismal treatment of its prisoners. Elizabeth was appalled to see such harsh conditions. Women and children were tightly packed in small spaces with little room to wash themselves or cleaned their clothes, and while many of the newgate prisoners had committed severe crimes, some of them had not. And others hadn't even received a trial. Elizabeth was determined to act the next day she returned to the prison with fresh loaves of bread and clean clothes, but she had sewn herself. She distributed them to the prisoners and encourage them to keep their cells clean and find ways to be hygienic in the oppressive environment. Elizabeth didn't come back to newgate until eighteen sixteen due to financial difficulties within her family. But upon her return, she dove back into the Work Elizabeth educated the children of Newgate who were imprisoned with their parents teaching them practical skills like reading and selling. In eighteen seventeen, Elizabeth founded the Association for the improvement of female prisoners along with twelve other women she worked to advance prison reform and to provide female prisoners with education and tools for employment Elizabeth fought for the idea that prison should be based round rehabilitation rather than punishment she wrote it must indeed be acknowledged that many of our own penal provisions as they produced no effect appear to have no other end the punishment of the guilty. Eighteen nineteen Elizabeth wrote prisons and Scotland in the north of England and encouraged her society friends to visit newgate themselves. At. That time Britain was in the practice of sending prisoners to penal colonies in. North. America Australia and India. At newgate. Prisoners en route to be transferred to convict ships, rebound by chains and unable to move around and tiny carts people in the streets pelted them with garbage. Elizabeth convinced the governor of new gate to carry the women enclosed carriages rather than open ones and to ensure that all the women and children had enough food to eat on their voyage. Elizabeth also gave the prisoner sewing tools, bibles and other necessities to accompany them on their long journeys. With the help of her efforts, the act of transporting criminals so far away lands was prohibited in eighteen, thirty seven. Prior to that change in policy Elizabeth visited every convict ship bound for Australia for more than twenty five years. Throughout the eighteen twenties, Elizabeth inspected prison conditions and continued to advocate for the rights of prisoners. She presented her findings to the House of Commons committee in doing. So she became the first woman to present evidence to parliament. Elizabeth's ideas influenced the eighteen twenty three jails act which introduced a series of prison reforms including regular visits made by prison chaplains. Elizabeth also cared for the homeless and poor establishing a homeless shelter and an organization to collect and provide resources for those in need in eighteen forty. Elizabeth. Opened a nursing school which inspired Florence Nightingale to take the nurses. Elizabeth trained to help the soldiers of the Crimean war. Elizabeth's work was met with praise throughout Britain and she was internationally recognized the King of Prussia was so impressed by her activism that he visited Elizabeth on a trip to the country. Being Victoria Australia expressed her support and donate donated to Prison Reform Causes In eighteen, forty, five elizabeth died from a stroke in Ramsgate England. She was sixty five years old. After her death, the Lord, Mayor of London. Institute for ex-prisoners called the Elizabeth fry refuge it's still operates to this day. All month we're talking. About. Activists. For more on why we're doing what we're doing. Check out our newsletter we'll weekly. Follow us on facebook and Instagram at encyclopedia with Monica and follow me directly on twitter at Jenny Kaplan. Special, thanks to lose Kaplan favorite sister and co-creator Talk to you tomorrow.

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#939  Praying for Discipleship (1 Corinthians 4:15)

Pray the Word with David Platt

05:20 min | 11 months ago

#939 Praying for Discipleship (1 Corinthians 4:15)

"Pre The word with David Platt is AVI source from radical dot net. First Corinthians Chapter Four Verse Fifteen for though. You have countless guides in Christ you do not have. Many fathers FRY became your father in Christ Jesus Through The Gospel. This a pretty powerful image here when you think about it. Paul. Talking to these Christians in Corinth and basically saying to them. He is their spiritual father. They are his spiritual children he even says right after this and I seventeen he says I sent you Timothy. My beloved and faithful child in the Lord like to think about spiritual children being spiritual parent said pretty powerful image. Isn't it to think that God would use you or me to lead someone to become a son or daughter of his. Sat Not blow you away. Let me say that one more time to think that God would use you to lead someone else to become a son or daughter of his awesome privilege. What an awesome opportunity. Don't we WANNA do this? Lead people to be sons or daughters of God and then this is the whole picture of disciple making. We don't just leads someone to Christ and then leave them to figure it out on their own from there are no like we teach them to obey everything. Crisis commanded like a parent with a child like I think about us. Adopting are three of our children like when we brought them home from other countries. We didn't just set them out on the street in say figured out. Welcome to America like No. We brought him into our homes of course and we showered him with love. Then we show them how to live and providing for them and all kinds of things so when we think about spiritually seeing children come to faith in Christ like we helped them grow. See Them Baptize. We teach them everything. Crisis commanded us. So I want you to think one who are your spiritual children who are your spiritual children who are the people. Maybe you planted somebody else watered. But who are the people who were following Christ as a result of your life and to how are you helping them grow in Christ you being a good parent to them and you know if if nobody's even coming to your mind at this point is a spiritual child like someone who you have been instrumental in leading to Jesus Than Twenty Curcio? Pray for that right now. Pray that God would use. You make you a spiritual parents. Somebody else's life. God we we praise you for this dynamic family dynamic we see in scripture when it comes to the Church and particularly here in First Corinthians Chapter Four Paul calling the church his spiritual children because they came to Christ through his sharing the Gospel with them. God We pray that you would give us many spiritual children got. I pray that over my life I pray that over all the people who are listening this right now. Whether there are many children spiritually flowing from their lives. Right now are not at paraded in the days to come that there would be many spiritual children from each of our lives. Please Oh God may be so give boldness to share the Gospel Helpless Compass to step fully end to this privilege and opportunity to lead someone to become a son or daughter of you and then. Oh God we pray that you would help us to help them to grow in Christ to grow to maturity to thrive in Christ's so that they are seeing more children. Come to Christ. So there's grandchildren and great grandchildren. Great grandchildren in this whole picture. To keep the analogy going that there would be more and more and more followers of Christ. Because we'RE HELPING OUR SPIRITS. Will children grow in? Christ God please use us to make disciples who make disciples who make disciples. I was to be obedient to what you've told us to do in this world so that we could write verses like this. I became your father in Christ Jesus through the Gospel Jesus Name. We pray Amen.

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The Sizzle of Iowa's Steak Fry

The Point with Chris Cillizza

03:48 min | 1 year ago

The Sizzle of Iowa's Steak Fry

"Welcome to the point for September twentieth. I'm learned Ski Co author of the Point. I'm here to cut through the political. Nicole spin to bring you the news you need to know there are events on the political calendar that come around once a cycle the neatly encapsulate the spirit of the campaign trail while this weekend's polk county steak fry is one of them it was formerly known as the Harkin steak fry. It is a true hallmark of Iowa politics therefore presidential politics six this year it could be the largest in Iowa's history. At least eleven thousand people are scheduled to attend plus. There's presidential candidates but much of the excitement actually takes place before the steak fry itself the day we'll begin with rallies and then parades into the steak fry grounds but not every candidate eight. Does it those who do do it big. There's historical precedent to in two thousand seven then Senator Barack Obama left an impression by rallying lee-ing supporters before the Harkin steak fry they rallied and then paraded as a group onto the steak. FRY grounds look for prefre rallies and parades from candidates. It's like Joe Biden. Pete Buddha Judge Elizabeth Warren Amy Klobuchar and Hooghly on Castro. The optics are hugely important. The larger the rally and the longer the parade aide the greater the show of strength each candidate is eager to show Iowa voters that not only are they organized but their support is solid and growing consider the crowd size to answer to the electable question then once they're at the steak fry campaigns will grill steaks from any of the thirteen grills on site serve beer read stories to kids serve ice cream or have people go get a picture taken with a fiberglass donkey. There's a chance for attendees to have organic interactions with candidates ahead of the Iowa caucuses that are just five months away. There's one person who will likely be paying extra attention to these voters Comma Harris. Here's his campaign has lost cost momentum after her strong debate performances summer her teams now doubling down on efforts on Iowa literally doubling her campaign staff to one hundred twenty organizers and they'll open ten new offices around the state. Harris's campaign is now publicly aiming for at least a third place finish in Iowa. It's a risky gambit to set such high expectations Armstrong Iowa performance but that's where this campaign is now. Harris was overheard this week saying she's moving to Iowa that quip which included an expletive. You've has already been turned into t shirts from a popular. Iowa brand called Reagan compare that to Joe Biden who campaign recently said they don't think they will win Iowa or or New Hampshire saying the race there in the first two early states will be a dogfight unlike Biden Harris is not planning appre steak FRY parade instead. She's rallying with striking McDonald's workers then heading to the steak fry afterward for the record this year steak fry will have one fewer candidate than planned. That's because Bill de Blasio Azero. New York's mayor dropped out of the race on Friday. He said he has contributed all he can to this primary election and it's clearly not his time which brings us to the point point at. Iowa's hallmark steak fry this weekend it is about so much more than just grilled beef and that is the point for September twentieth twenty nine thousand nine. Thank you for listening for more updates throughout the week including our Sunday night campaign edition subscribe to the point newsletter. CNN Dot com slash the point. If you like this audio briefing you can get on Google or Amazon Echo or subscribe on Stitcher or apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app so you never miss an episode

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139: When its Time to Step Away and Handover the Salon Business   with Tony Wood & Liam Fry

How To Cut It in the Hairdressing Industry

1:09:01 hr | 11 months ago

139: When its Time to Step Away and Handover the Salon Business with Tony Wood & Liam Fry

"This is how to cut it in a hairdressing industry poker show. We've dumblane episode number one hundred and forty nine in the head. Jesse Industry Cosstalk insights. Inspirations and information take your handwriting and offering to the next level as you're dumb welcome back to help. Takata in hairdressing in Industry Pokka show the UK and islands number. One independent Polka. Show for the hair. I'm Barbara in industry and produced by Harry media productions. This is a podcast gives you the insights. Inspirations and information to take your hairdressing and Barbara in careers to the next level and we do this every Monday by bringing onto the show. Some of the industry's leading names. Rising Stars digital influences and those from the creative fashion and media industries. Money Tom Lane and I'm delighted to welcome onto today's podcast. Tony would and Liam fry of tiny woodhead Jason. It would be. It would have been city of made soon. Not what with tiny then get to the point that I can buy off of him? I mean Tony's first thing that you said to me after I sent you what you want to do next and I was like offering on my business now and Tony said okay. Well about this place. There's a tasted end to what you can expect in today's episode with Tony would and Lee fry because we can be discussing when it's time to step away and hand over the salon business now before we get into this episode. I just want to bring your attention firstly to a how to cut it. Podcast live that we are bringing to. You will for the very first time. Because in collaboration with well professionals we are delighted to be hosting and recording a life color conversations of free events one in the Weller World Studio London on February. The Twenty Six two thousand twenty followed by Manchester on the full for Mars. Two Thousand and twenty and finishing in Dublin on the fourth of March. Two Thousand Twenty and as say this is going to be a really exciting event is going to be. Featuring some of their campuses Juliana Capella in London. Melissa Timperley a Manchester and Darren Lincoln in Dublin. And we are going to be having live presentations. We're going to have live color. Conversations with also could be discussing some k color businesses tips for your salon business owes. That sounds saint of real interest for you then. Tickets are available on our price at twenty five pound plus VAT and if you would like to find out any more on this purchasing the tickets and we created a link for unite as ww dot. How to cut dot it slash events hyphen color conversations. And Nee we have all the information as well as where you need to go to get these tickets now also to back. This event up armored excited the we are giving exclusive ticket giveaways to our house. Cut It podcast listeners. If you would like to win one of these tickets were twenty five pound and we've tried to this competition for very easy. All you have to do a screen shot your favorite. How to cuts it podcast? Then we want you to upload that into instagram story tag how to cut it along with the Hashtag of the city the you would like to attend so if you go to London Hashtag London Manchester Hashtag Manchester Blinn Hashtag Dublin. So let's move on to today's podcast episode. One hundred thirty nine. When it's time to step away and hand over the salon business with Tony would and Liam fry of tiny woodhead. We are going to be covering a conversation that is rarely discussed stepping away from a solemn business that you've loved nurtured and grown over many years and to help us more on this intriguing topic. I'm going to be joined by two hairstylists. Who Know perfectly how this was because I have iconic ick hairdresser. Tony would and one of the industry's rising stars Liam FRY now for any silo known as a looking fool an exit strategy to use alum business. Then I guarantee that this episode is GonNa be a sensual listening for you. And if you're a solid employees then it's also going to be feared because you're gonNA love learning on how one day you may find yourself next in line for the salon business that you love being part of so some of the points that you expect to hear in his podcast is we're GONNA get a overview to both. Tony would hairdressing Business Liam Fry Antoni would but within GONNA go fruit to the point where Tony really felt. He wanted to tighten the business in a new direction. A New Vision for a and we've lay in being a manager at Ceylon how that was going to be the perfect fit. So let's go to it. I'm delighted to welcome onto the how to critique podcast Tony would and Liam fry welcome to the podcast Tony Woods and Liam Fry. Hi How you doing good even good evening. Welcome along Suhel to cut it kidding. Thank you very much a bit. Where all you buy for this moment in time we in the club to help building so the building tell you what Harrison. That's in the ground floor in the basement and we're one life one life up in a fuss slow voided from the Great View. App tools to see a wonderful and you can tell us all about the business because as I just mentioned. That's really what I want to go into. Today's obviously the business. The tiny would hair business. Salam WANNA learn about. I WANNA learn about you guys but particularly I WANNA learn about the big thing that has happened recently and we spoke at a British hairdressing business. So I'm going to just hand is very quickly to you. Tony what happened in two thousand nine hundred which is caught big news yes so in two thousand nineteen gave up my head. Just inside on the Prema- hold off building really young lame here. He took up is a big thing to do. Yes aghast at Phil's Dot Dot Gov it spent descend on in nineteen ninety and so two years ago now and I was young. Nils twenty-three if I stuck with it and so it's been monitoring work so yeah hunting to someone else in effective is is is a big decision on his big thing today as well. You're not kidding aside. We're going to go really deep into that. As we go fruity saints you but I WANNA get. Let's get the listeners. Up to what Tony would have is. Leeann described to us the business the Salon you mentioned clock tower. Give us a little bit of a heads upon the okay. So you're telling you what hairdressing situated in a absolutely beautiful building down here on the south coast and Portsmouth and it's an old building built in nineteen ninety-three and it's it's a stunning clock tower building. The business itself. It's been running for the past creek. Eight nine thousand nine hundred dollars. So that's a good thirty is now and Yeah No. It's a phenomenal Silence got incredibly creative people inside of a and they're all pushing and striving to produce the best. They possibly can For me personally every day. Not only as the business now now. It's a it's an incredibly inspirational people and I learned from these guys are what we've as well. Beautifully described. Just hairdressing is solely hairdressing. Yeah we're very focused because within the salon so we when an again. It's not a speck twenty around the city egg it can work for lots of asylums but we focus on two very very straightforward things and we we aim to achieve great hair cussing and peace and peaceful color. And what we don't want to do is start saying that we do tanning we do beauty and we do lots of different things and it can water down your message and for me personally. I WANNA be nine for those two things. And that's for great. Cussing and beautiful hair color. And what about team is a large team is now yes? So we've got sixteen people working with us now. It's bit crazy because seven years ago when I first started working. Twenty eight year now. We only get there was only six of us so it's grown a lot which is great. But they're they're very I mean. They're incredible Stylists and I'm very fortunate. Say they'll work with them. And like I said before they inspire me every day we've been in the clubhouse since you know Seoul But before that we were down the rentals and it started with just really myself in junior really survey smoke settled and we conclude that spicy spice and people said to me Pasta clock tower with a monumental build building on people said somebody when asked about the settlement said those minds ramones. And that's what I was going to do. What was it strikes? You about this clock tower. Tiny what was it that you four. Yeah that would make a great hairdressing space. It was when of my first Salam damage. Very lucky to I by the business and it was a little And then it was lucky enough to body the body to the building and so Donald Trump For for spice to move into for someone to expand insanity also looking around for free build insulting the already lights unauthorised told Show and an unusual thing so it was an obvious choice for me to do it but I think for the well to me it was. It was most obvious finger. It was only when I got the keys to realize that they weren't and he wants to put move on. Because it's minded gloss over by them listening we're GONNA share the images of your business in the show notes because I wanNA listen is to say. Is I stunning space? And he's on the front page your website. I believe as well the video is she had to look at the video. I would like to work in a space like that. Liam went on. I you know some soft had case to fit to L. A. Willing to budge started to look around and you know Look and realize that there was not cheap anyways to pivot to stick dome for another infamous. Anoxia everybody's voids it some. It's not the building clearly was so you? The free said the in terms of the stars. Tony I who was a hairdresser. What's your background? So so Started when I was a fifteen year old Saturday Boyd. And that was absolutely skilled. Nineteen hundred eighty full. It was Asia the Middle East. Quite experimentally swerdlow Mike. Up crazy hair and it was. It was kind of Metabolism Bill. It wasn't an obvious place for me. Go ahead a Simba icon of slits into it but mistaken and then left. It just loved everything about in May two to be creative in Columbia. Who wanted to? Be Was Dana Silo. No no saint that you heard allies spot to be. I think it was a catch. Just head out running into think too much about said. I wanted to work in the bustling town which date for Polk Smith is a lovely said. He built seed City to see out the window on I just want to get Have Mind settled was obvious thing to do this over early twenties and I was lucky enough today that yeah so you took that on what about you then? Liam well Marcus died. When is When I was fifteen. It's not dissimilar to Tony. I was helping out sweeping up making cups teas and coffee. And there's only a small silent at that time and that was just we've not making tea and coffee making money on the weekends and the owner of the business came up to me. I am I looking for an apprenticeship. I didn't really want to be a hedge. Hairdresser Pam is just for myself Geno. What for say yes. I'M GONNA lose my job. I I said yes and then it just went from there for me really. I transferred to a more busier. More established. Salmon. Spent a lot of my career. There for about eleven years went through the ranks as most do became a manager and fortune. I want to move on now. Do My thing so when Self employed for about free mumps and in that timeframe spite with Tony and it must have been the hardest free months months in my life. That transition from just being a star. Been trying to run a little business by myself. Running myself properly. And like I said are speaking Tony in the meantime and he asked me if I'd like to come over managers business and only had to step into this building once and made myself and I wanna work here has been an eventful past eight years working with Tony. So Tiny. What did you see? Liam that made you want him to come and be part of your work view in that early period uneven from when he was very young and he's always been really don't have young hairdresser. I'm not that song I heard. Lifted descend on if you have a long time and I was wondering if he's going to do is start. But I heard that you wanted to talk unsettled in it. It kind of it was the same thing for me that Auburn to really focus on on education of been educated enough about twenty years and an bat win win. Also back is the left left of I was thinking of volume phases. So many people lucky enough to this but I was trying to run a business. The you know you know when teach you how to do that. So you'll learn in a scientology on anonymous transit to do more education and do the other things in life while the sunny son wants you can dig on your familiar enough his choice to try and get lame firstly as manager but then sel say is what while. He's if it weren't for him and it worked for me. Then what could we do together from? What about you live in? Tony came in of what? How how did you see Tony as a hairdresser his standing in the area and they kind of made you think yeah one guy worked with this guy? Sure at while tug mention of nine hundred for a long time now and off the first time I met Tony who is actually doing. Some education in the Senate is working. I must've been about eighteen at the time and I never forget. Told you this twenty. I never get quite a sentiment actually stayed me for a long time. He said you basically said to me. He loves the way I caught on. Well I can the hair and the you know there's also in spraying inspirational things that people say to that so stay with you and then you become punches of those things on nights us that. Tony said that to me. It's tight with me and then from there knows very conscious and hasn't house working with and how was how was that she cutting hair and when I had the opportunity stop welcome. Antonio wants it to and so what? He was doing the selling the vision that he wants to take it go forward. I just couldn't turn it down is very exciting from May seven. That was before I had felt like a hit. A brick wall is my Stalinist will do that. Go as far as they can and they will. And there's not many more avenues for them to go down. So what's the next thing and from the Thomas did ISAF employed and when tiny tiny space and we said listen. We got lot stuff going on here and it's managed to sign up. I got me excited about hairdressing again and I thought you know what I can't not pass up this opportunity but what what what would you know. Ms. Let's live a minutes. Always think he's go both ways so he had to drink to sell them but let's Look. Let's let's just shake hands on the two year that when we come back to anything but let's just say Fatiguing to this and at the end of that he won't go canoeing solid than you've two years learning some stuff off of me. An intimate song gives me two years to not to step back from the Salang but just a little bit spice to some of the things I wanna do but also drugs Dr Salam food which I think when you when you in the salon. It's really hard to to move it food because you get bogged down with the daily stuff. downside we. She'll Kansas had ended again. We don't know what's going to happen. We don't really got autism. But where we're going to go you but let's just do two years together and sit down and chat launch and see where where we got this so when you came in lanes come in to business and you talked about the vision. Was that vision that you both spoke about when we mean tiny. I sat down. Tiny 'em sets man. It was very early days at a time Looking to rebrand his business at the time back then Salam was cooled united silence and When on festival in the Salon and tiny said listen on my appointment life? Rebrand WANNA do something different the settlement. I'm thinking about putting my name above zone as it took him. Twenty four years is the name of the dose. I took them awhile to do that at the time. You said he wasn't comfortable about doing. He wanted to make sure things were right before. He put his name above something so we had to do a changes. Nazi when changes come into the SALOM. People don't like change and sadly back then we Superstars decided to leave. And and that's fine but allowed us to do was bringing team that were ready to take on the challenges that were ready to put forth for him and that for me was really exciting because we had something at a brand new set of young brought it creative individuals who shouting the tiny woodhead dressing message really which was just really to show who we are what we do which I thought was just so so much on back at what cracking a dome off the vine to sell them for thirty years. But for the first head all wasn't running a business Of Cottingham I can some money and spend in it. I think it was only after ten years conduct. Look to it. Even Vike is a business. It was Tonka Golfing. Things have changed since then so it was only after years of go build a business you know so it wasn't long before was in that situation where the business was gloving. Y'All need help about me with needed to get things. If I wanted to take it would appreciate you share as well because I think that's really good was so well and I think that honesty really resonates with a lot of people suddenly. Selena's that quite often. We go into a hairdressing business and I know myself I took on you. We just go into it down we. We're we're hairdressers and running the business and we do an emotional sleet. Then you stop. Yeah we are we really emotionally into it but you know you got the money and suddenly you're looking thinking. This is hard work in terms of on to build a real structure into this business. And and I'm guessing building around a team Roberts may be just. Tony would offing bit different. Now I'm getting Dome Fifty two now and I think I think now all they've seminoles full this People you can reach out to with that backfire years ago maybe the most much around remember dice off getting on the train to go. I didn't put Joan cons window things or not to try and get knocking on the pet salon but we live out now so so maybe it's different now maybe ten years but I love yeah. I'll go pick up as well. Tiny lames explained that you wasn't too sure about putting your name above the dual. Why what fussing? When it first started it was it was a bit of A. I think it was translate seventies but for people have of Dole. You know that was like Philip Jackson County. Zoos and other was Chinese wedding. When started the the old fashioned silence had John? Michael of the Dole will ever and so. It was obviously not to do that. I The code to sell on EGO. It was a very civil nineteen ninety nine again but as time went on. Uh You Yeah when when Fatima confidence though it but okay so you know it was just everything was doing was educated. No segment of meeting people assign one night minute it just. It just seemed logical to support the name of door. Ilya a one point Salim. Let's be honest. What was your take on the business when you came into it as suck. I kept Nabi honest. So when I joined the going the Sonnen on it was it was quiet. of ream to gripe people in greatest settled Which was a great opportunity to start out trying different things? One one thing that we did with silence straight away as I said two tiny Said to tiny said one throughout doing the city better than everyone else is social media. We gotta make sure that we are at the forefront of that back eight years ago on disagree yet tiny disagreed he said no. I'm not might might be when you iron asylum you can get on top of it and then it'd be important then bus at night. Listen we need to double down and make sure that we saw at the front of everyone of social media and and we did and we spent a lot time making sure that all the branding was That the the web that we're putting out was a commercial enough and approachable enough clients to look at and guide. You know what I'd like to go there because we're quite a big imposing building. And what he wants to do is shit. Show them that they're on the smiling faces inside the Ceylon. And we're very welcoming and you know that they feel comfortable been aspects so tackle. Social media was a really big thing. And and the team in general the team. Probably that needs to be a little bit more invigorated needs to be like their apart something and because like I said before we changed a lot of things when people don't like change they tend to move on. We were able to bring the team that we won. And that's when things go really exciting. And they were on board of what we will deliver in the kitchen is. Lee is a really dynamic. Young mine Is a quite soon on Him Silent About Social Media and also listened. Rod really catch him but trust in an nuts. It's always been for me people around you of the goods and give him a bit spice as well to to you. Know to take things on site that report that e-p-o-c-h to the Salon. And you know it's like a little bit of credit. But this on his groin had going since since he's come along because he's done mckinney's book so much to it. Well terms of light you say dynamic and you say about the team gets in that right team in. How does that happen? I have to say I know we we talk about team. We talk about stuff and getting the right people in. How did you get the an? How do you get the right people at this point that you can down to actually drive it forward to become the brand that you wanted to be what? I'll be really honest view. Everyone makes it. There are people that by the way by but that shoe to tends to be down to one thing and one thing only and its attitude when I take somebody on A strong belief that you can teach anyone how to cut hair Bu- if they haven't got the right attitude then not going to take on any what you want to give them a what you want to educate them with. And they weren't deliver a message so for me whenever employees someone whenever take someone on. It's more about the individual. You WanNa see how they help open. They are to learning. WanNa see how helping treat their clients and how they How they look off off. The People and the hairdressing can be told tonight so for me. It's lawing employ someone. It's gotta be their attitude and how they are individual. I think on the Hallway In recent years we tweet have had people come into us which is wonderful if he believes in that situation. But I guess it's just put out a being permitted condole and people do tend to come along the wanted to be part of what we've been in. Celeste which just really lucky without thing and the still is open as well. I was interested gives us. We'll look of course. I think we all know that the key to any successful Salam business is not unique. Detained without the team of good quality. People is yeah I mean I isn't easy to to just guy get but I guess you we have to nurture that and bring in the gotTa believe in what you guys are doing but my thing is well what do I see. You've got there. So businesses is doing well. You got a good standing but you gotta keep those people haven't yet those team members cut a style you don't WanNa keep swapping and change in is sending the hers. What really helps them. Keep with you and you. The kind of it yeah. I'm working in a place that I just don't want to come away from absolutely I mean I. It's funny enough. Just got back from Denmark or just took a couple of team therefore there four bev education with good friend of mine and friend detainees and doesn't custom training out there for them and it's an opportunity to have a couple of days of almost one on one training with another great hairdresser and Jeremiah Timeout. There also with them. I wasn't doing the train. Musab Idaho bet downside to really look at the team. I've got and look at. What are they doing this year? What I involved with. What's really getting going? And that is a Guy Frugal team and that might be one or two of them. Think what do they actually one and actually haven't had that conversation with him and when you've got him a larger team and your looking off that many individuals you gotta make sure that they're all engaged and not all of them want the spotlight. Not all of them. WanNa be on the stage and one of them just want to do real good hair avenue chat with one of my team but today nothing we examined one to one and I was saying what do you want. She's like but just really enjoyed doing hand to sell them. Like what do you do? You want a awesome. It's like joined gone. 'cause we want do this do that at and she said. Geno just WANNA do great hair and I said okay. Well if we can come together and figure out how we can achieve that then we'll get it done. The United States is just keeping them engaged in all areas and not just throwing them. The photo shoots here and they're all not just saying do up to London for a random cools. It's really just fun nuts. They've won as an individual because it doesn't always have to be industry base. Sometimes they want a little bit. If I'm a little bit of we have extra time off maybe but signed that we've lost moved We've smokable ones and we won't say he's not saying that we can stop in control losing because stopping because The reason I say always evening last night and we were talking with some great industry conversations and I think there was almost as I speak of heard some gurus in the business and I say good silence should never lose staff goodstuff autonomy laughing if you attract in dynamic people and then you're working given a mug conspire million. I mean we. We very much like China. We lucked let lame son about gun. A democracy is just an idea that comes up. We do that and people like that. They've involved in that unlike love it but then the next step is going to be. What can I go can I do? It's it's very Business and you probably. I'm bleeding you Dan. The reason I am going a little bit this direction because handing the business you know. That's that's a pretty good career. Pathway for Hairdresser who works within a. Ceylon team yes off. Exile him everyday. People can't believe what life given away also decide on that you know spent Everyday okay all set question about boy don't end surveys. Ima Partly Think he's a great person to fold and you know I think he's a he's going to. He's got the energy dykes to tell you that it takes to do it and I'm not having the energy but the guest it's time when you move Lubeck It's time for someone else to to grab this now relate things as you could always building the sound on. This is such an amazing thing for anyone to do any business but you could always make it big. You could always employ more people. You can always get move publicity. You can always get bums on seats you know. It's a never ending story really been in places of met starts with business only the They shouldn't be doing anymore. Let's go out for ten years ago. So many upsets anyone but beat you say well. You know you get to the point of China's you guys you get the Lovely but you know they will so mid twenty twenty seven you get Bible. Give you energy but there is a point when you solve Society as well you know studying the chance to fall of twenty four gals is talking about sometimes me. I mean that's just so far removed from a little bit. I think as well some of what you say to that it was it was survivor as Odyssey name as a person to Finger for me you know I. It was time to step away as well. And you know it wasn't an obvious thing to do but it was an opportunity in our so as an opportunity to step up can do some things in my life as well to focus through the moment that conversation started. I want to understand when you say handing over the business. I'm a first question would be. When did you sort of the right? I I'm going to talk to him about this and say if he's interested one of it was it was the end of it. So yes when we says again Probably a gradual process as well. I think it's a coffee shop him. Yeah I think it was. You know we because idly may we we had to be motel. I'm a bit more spice moorhead spice and about a year for the festival night office all sitting in my office and having chunks of time to think about things so I think it was the slot. You've got your thing but it was at the end of together because that was also a handshake agreement and it was like Liam city still into sound on the not just for myself but then he wants an opportunity because I could govern for. Let's let's say ten years and then on could disorder when the saw them. Well if it's easy to go out and find a young dynamic store this one of ice on them for me so I think you know spoken to a lot more. Just you know it might. It needs to work but if it does it will be amazing. What you you're saying in terms of like selling the business. I forgot some really cool thing for a salon owner to maybe consider. You know you're gonNA think to yourself has to come a point where I'm going to move on. I want to do things slightly different in my life the way I work and rather than just hoping somebody's GonNa come and buy who has no real connection to your shop or your team actually have that person from within and then build that relationship and it's a great way forward and the thing I can identify is Liam did you want this as you'll business always at you what you think and actually I would ralph just salon over you. Have that fought for your mind. Ju- what wanted to buy south. I think if it was just an ego driven putting us at you know. I'm going to do it by myself but Try and look as rational as possible when I mean. It's such an incredible building that we're working in hair and the same that we had built up in that short timeframe it would be it would have been city of to not work with tiny to then get to the point that I can buy them. I mean Tony's first thing that he said to me after us what you want to do next and I was like a business now. Tony said okay. We'll about this place and I said it'd be great but I'm GonNa fold it and we hope C. n. The stations then we decided to sit down and figure out how it was going to be done and we got to where we were and and and the law of it. If I'M GONNA see you. Tom Is is. It's a lot of it's based on trust. Yes we've got all the agreements in the background and will pay in the right place but the fast movement needed trust between one another and we see make sure that that was always that all the way free the agreement that we have been together. If it doesn't work for me it's not gonNA work for tiny and vice versa. So it needs to work for by parties. I'm an antitrust was absolutely essential I can use. It could open asking questions and be pretty open about it. I'm going to just sit. And so you talk about the trusting. You talk about the agreements. Have you? Don't have to say how much so you've bought into this because you've taught a free whole business you under property so that's worth a lot of money. How how does this work than Tony or well? I mean so much of it. It's something again is a book on this so we might up But yeah they wanted. I wanted to do it but he didn't have a chunk of money sitting there waiting to do it. So you know the the so plan we've got radius is going lately will pay me for the business but over a period of told me so unafraid building. Liam become limbs line loads so he went silent spice off of me so we'll get an income from that. Renzo and then over a period of years. He's going to pay back a umbrella. Business death yet. So you keep onto the bailed in you're not an Laham has taken on the lace. Hold at that. Do You keep a a Shares within the business as well tiny. Will you still be ov nine job? Click Naga one hundred percent happen nail this pipe into background but but a lot of is trust as well but a lot of things in life. You're going work for Liam if it works for made some you're GonNa love me if it works for them so they're not going to be if for you to come away from it and and how. How does it being in hand enough of you baby? Yeah it's a good question. Live in southern vote of a show midway between my The sound onsite always event but it supposedly easy to stay away now. I think I think it is a start. You know. Those two moments is a hard thing to do and we need what we fought them up into it. Yeah if that year yeah so it you know so but honestly really enjoying the time. The constant why because for felty is couldn't. Are you actually looking at what lame stern and thinking this is great? I mean it's yeah when we sat down to Mike Plan you know. Obviously bill business that had value so so we'll put that on the table too. You know if it was worth this much. That's been starting but Philmont when his well you become a hundred seven million listrik about that. I mean look can. It's like when you try and sound your low call you you. You know you'd love to call. You've had it for a long time. You put on the market for Morton. Actually anyone looks to pike for surveillance and then and then you get upset when people join back. You downs familiar. I had to figure a way but I think that's a very realistic figure. Enough unofficial figures to the odds. I'd I'd say you've been stung. You F it's not. What for both the funny thing is the minute you figure we've in Waco to that figure doesn't fail enough an Salinas Into THE BUSINESS. The business now suddenly looks better than ever so that looks much less than it should be but just saying pitch. You'll never won. A SELENA was suddenly feeling light right. I can now do want to. I want to radically change this. But you know about that question question a few times for an emmy for the past few months because when you take over overseas. San Wendy Business People say oh what you GONNA do. You'RE GONNA change the name different name above the door or are you going to paint this differently and I'll be really honest Tiny step back over the past year site Chine. Leave me to it before Was even the sound because as knifepoint him get into was at the end of September last year in him saying off you go then and leaving me to it and I'll be like a deer in headlights unite site. It was really important for the year. We'll say to make sure that tiny was doing absolutely as little as possible. Obviously as in a sit down and talk in first off but just sit back and just let me deal with it so fa May Thrown in the depend and will say more say more importantly for the clients. They don't feel like there's any difference going on and also for the team more pony as well that they don't see massive changes just happening because it needs to be the most smooth transition possible. And because it was done drawn nigh for a few years as payer period off the business it was really important that they're no one was seeing a huge amount of change unite. We already hesitant originally to tell people that it was happening because once you set it it's definitely happening and We we about a year year and a half before we start talking bout set and it was all just behind the scene. So it was a night is good. We've token by Diane. We was cited. You know we hope hope. Nobody's going to take a year We sat down. Start biker. Walk a few months before September actually happens you know an uneven. Now you know we said to you know be in the background. Flame foot full that year really in American show so white for him but the thing is all this business and I know on the INS and outs of Gooden. A bat of it. So he's got a business that Buzzer Of loss few years is the INS and outs as well. So you know. I think you'll be completely the Be Happening in the background. It a so called. Easy is not been Tone that there has been a few things about up on budget. So it's a that you have to take on the chin. Fuego suppose is yeah and your only chain and you have to talk about. I mean it's like you know it's just like any relationship you have to get out and just chat about. But what what what were they then? Tiny doughnut cigarette question. Well well for me it was. It was a few different things but that was a hot to handle to him which was called Heaven a Head but it had value on it but but I'll That town him. They was w the The Pasta by counter at a balancing the gut feeling was involved in a say me by Muda. So that's a cop was a few but on the flip side as well though dominated. Tiny is stepping back in leaving that stock there. But we've just had a lovely medium of our accountants must big corporation tax bill pangs swings and roundabouts live but. I'm glad that you've just shared that with me and I hope you did. Mommy ask because that's what this podcast all about. It's open transparent is great and people have to see you know. This is great but he is an older smoother and in their offerings. That have to be dealt with in a in a professional manner and listening to you guys. Yeah you a great friendship as well that comes over. Clearly you have great trust but there's gotta think about lots of things here and obviously that's a strength. The pair of you that you can talk through is is not been hard but there are moments that we just look at each other and there's no book on this in another one we can what we can fund anywhere where we could go tunes and they people like we should Roy Bull Shit. My sister a great one left a paddock. When you said about it it's a it's a conversation I haven't heard any industry as such you know handing over we say handing over isn't effectively here. You go you know you you sell business but handing that business on how that works so I think it's great to hear I'm telling people I'd love to know how they've done it but is while failing I little bit as well and it is an is is working out so we just a bit lucky yeah and Liam what what feels different now to manage in the business to now actually owning as well as solo new. Now isn't it so I think for me for the first? I mean when people take take on things like taking on a new business. They can open a new business. I feel like they go mark from the guy and for me where we run into some fool a few years and and pretty much control over the past year website. It's for me it's just this this year. Akon Akon wanted. Just get my first year onto my bow and make sure that the team will in the right place. The clients were being looked after. And then I can stop get feeling myself and thinking I want to go and try something like maybe do a fight. I shield she try. And attempts do this due to be h as maybe who knows but I think fishy to me. It's to just really get my hands on this business figure out. Make sure it's all financially secure and that all the bills being paid properly because as flower up businesses and how lovely is to do hair is still business and I. We still need to. I'm not a person is the most fanciest of watches but it doesn't mean my business isn't GonNa make money. I'll pay bills say it's This year is shown running a business. Thank you for that so Konaga. That and the team that rule on board with this annual. You're driving it for. Let's let's Kinda move now onto the the future of over there so the future of the business you just spoke about you the awards and where is it you want to now go for two thousand twenty the business going I don Don Don? I'm going to be really bland hair into say as businesses normal. I'm I'm watching. Just the numbers coming through and just making sure that garden in the right way. Obviously there's that we want to be doing for the team so the team are involved with Lavar a company that we work with some of that that the national national competitions that they put together so they're very heavily in votive that so we're GONNA be sore still pushing forward and I'll be supporting them as much as I can but it's really really just let them do their thing and me folks on the SALOM. If amongst the ship big dream cracking drain fill doing already ready. Might I've let let's say in ten years we're looking at the Salon Europe. Is this the company that you've you've now got? Was it looking like in ten years time ten years time so it was found me. Forty four then. Crikey doesn't sound far away for me in ten years time. I would like to find another person who can push yourself going forward. Then as well I'd like to build a group of people around me that Phil can push forward the way the choice for tiny at Confinement less hair in that timeframe but really just to keep driving the business going forward saw conflicts of things. Nothing was bath. A THINK BOYS HAVEN'T TRUMP. Manson is is because he's so much solve Fox four detainees from where we was saloons And nothing you know. If if you're a you know a stop as you decide you want your solemn then it take you ten fifteen years to to build a really good business out of it. So let s get in a level was he would will not overnight but a lot of work what Sir. Denys arrive from want us to say. Oh I think it's like why are we doing what we do is about a lifestyle of beautiful cars travel holidays about fulfillment. Why are we doing what we do in is it to have huge amounts of salons? That's why I'm curious to know. Yeah well for me really I mean when you make this agreement of me take another few years under get a little violin out now. I had to drop weight Consequences to buying a business. The item make sacrifices for an over the past few years a young family. I've got two children got little boy little girl and got my wife at home with my commitments with asthma wife to make a decision to stop working and look after children. That meant that we had less income than so for me. I want a Goal is to from a personal position is to make sure that might family. That's my personal goal from a professional side of things ONA smash it whether it be from the individuals at work you work with or doing itself. Personally I just WanNa make sure that impact in some way of form is in its is what you create is what people remember. And I want to make sure that I'm Crayton's much supposed to become the industry in as many people as possible and kick off that and what about you then tiny while we at? What's what's happening guy forward wealth leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not not just GONNA be on. I don't know I'll tell you what we'll have been doing. His best offer is YEP good This was to fuss Christmas. The I haven't caught any now that that's the most faded so did it. Do they feel good fell. Amazing Yeah Yeah. I'll just thought turned a little bit and you know I'm I'm having that no so much of a test doesn't physically but yeah move. Came ahead non just getting a lovely bit of spice to see House alone and pursue. Things might have been on the back burner for few years or even create a new addition You get that little bit of spice in you launch in sons. What was what you think. And then so you you thinking outside of the hair industry tiny you now thinking raw out the head industry is this is what I love what you think can spice of us. So it's two fold one one. One are going to own a joy. Do if you don't think so but a few so been on how to unite would go outside. The headquarters is in the Solomon. And you know do do. There's not on so I wanna I wanNA expose. But more importantly it's it's time spice to fight so things like the education of educate you for twenty years of of done a lot of different companies. And and what can people say you know? This gives me a little bit of spice might be sufficiently something a little bit as well. I've got a BUBBA BUBBA. Show business as well. So that takes some some Motaung and they work in that barber shop until nine not toe We've got free bunches now. Having what he's always been I'm not I wouldn't anoth- is that big by hydrolysis versus Baba's. I'M GONNA get into that but I wouldn't consider myself a ball but I have a great team of Baba's in but they do that. Fool me but very lucky with that just just some of Ahead and just having that bit all the time to have autism play with them. I spent a good bit tongue in my office. Now which Just yet just getting things done meeting thinking about stuff so Liam what is being Tony's key to his success Chinese cates. His success will be careful this one. I'm Tony has so. If you came into the sound the only thing that will make it look like a sound would be. The mayor's people actually cussing have everything else around it. We try and make sure if it if it's a if we try to do some which looks a conventional Salam united so that clean cots minimally. Look we try and do the opposite. And what tiny does is. He looks at something and it really goes of his first choice. fed full. Joyce not the obvious one for tiny spice to shout. Sounds pretty big peasy Mike but Visionary really in that sense you know he. He sees things in a way that sometimes. I don't even say you know I get a lot from tiny and when I sit down for me we talk free things. They'll say about this. Nothing I didn't even think that before is A. He's a very special to be around. He's a fisherman. Yeah I K- and Tony Boy was right for the business always. He's lucky younger looking version of made a minute when he's he's going to be amazing because my really. I loved that. Oh it's it's it's great to hear and I've just got to say this is really been such A. It's a new one really identify. We've had this conversation are now going back to that. Not Without came over and spy to You. And you said you would love to talk about this and. I'm so glad that you have because it's a good one and I think that just Alaka Tyco for our listeners. How could they work for somebody else in a situation of a salon in co you is a saint that you would encourage? Why had an eye for business voice of always sort of looked opportunity taste Discharge look from different angles as well grabbing when they come. So I think this public Were you know? Send that invitation For this long but if anyone decisions and pick up the fighting amongst the shadow of smoke questions we'd be considered I sit down with a denys Henderson. Some unique Huntley and people to own animus unique for you. Why would you recommend? Maybe somebody WHO's working in a salon thinking displays maybe have a net chat with a sallow. I mean is at Saint. You could give them some advice really. I think I in silence across country. You're going to have this sort of stuff. Talks which is a key above everyone schema pun there. But they are just that they're the ones that stand out and so you'll unicorns right and I think it would be wise. Fernie subtle knife there a point in their career where the thinks no will is next full me is to just entertain the idea of potentially handing over to young aspiring person. Because the his if that person's not invigorate if then not then not as. Volt the business that macho that just not excited about side about things anymore. They're gonNA go elsewhere and there's always. GonNa be carrot that another. Someone's going to be dangling in front of them and if you don't WanNa lose that person and you think to yourself it's time for me to sit down and speak that great bright young individuals because it could be the make really top stuff top titleist top conversation right you side by you. Say about people yet. If you're ingested come into work this is your time. Let's give some shoutouts. Where can we find out more information by the way listeners? Which are in show knows which I'll tell you at the end of this interview. Yes Would have his own tax everything and yet so if you want to find anything asylum or anything you founded Tony woodhead up and all of our social media is at tiny would have us on instagram or anything. Those lines and by all means ACA said before in the city or even the wider area if the does concern if you're interested in sitting down and have a chat with a more than happy to find out what you're looking to achieve education yeah so the Cotton so that's that's what Traveled around what can people saw it on. Some help him with high contin but didn't twenty years so a different angle net among ankle copious. Your Business Your Business so what? Can we do with head Continental Business Difference so many people is very individual house so that will be Recently been helping someone with desolate businesses will help. So that's been fun just just all day is celebrated already stuff. Great stuff no such. It's got to give a shoutout as well. Congratulations lamb of your managerial skills. Working you you one business British addresses business awards manager at the is curve just yet no that was always one of the judges but not that was that was the third time dumb. I am landed twice a four for the first time when really wound affleck. Okay chance of winning. This didn't win it second. Time went in for thought. You know what I'm GonNa chance and a fourth third time I'll give it another guy and I'm very fortunate May I? I skipped it which is really pretty foolish. Foolish and ends and GOTTA BE HUMBLING. And you spend your whole career looking at your your idol. Is the people that you aspire to be like. And then all of a sudden you're in a room of them and they're all looking at work they're looking at you and judging and then and then and then you'll considered on that same level and winning an award light that so for me. It was a is an incredible thing. It's funny sometimes. I believe it's mine. I'm very well does up. Yeah it was well deserved and nobody with disagree with nothing from listening to you. Yeah I think he's just the very start of what looks to be a very exciting future for for you and your team and for Tony. I think it really doesn't thank you so much for everything that you you openly shared. It's been brilliant to get to know How this has worked and took a little bit of story behind the hair as well as being really Jewish. Thank you nice paying a pleasure being looking forward to this yet on. I Y BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA leave without domes last five questions question. One I case it is going to go to Tony firstly away from work. How do you best like to spend your time? We piss on On spending more time and the Shaun control themselves love love being outdoors within for me personally? I observed running the business. Now takes me from my family a lot. So when when? I'm not in the son-in-law Sean spend as much time to young children and my wife questioned to. What's the one song that makes you jump up and hit the dancefloor totally? I'M NOT ANSWER. Unless will get really smashed anyone. Anyone is Mi Lincoln also cry for me personally. I think it's children. I GET UP TO JOHNSTON AS UPTOWN. Funk by Brunei Mas I'd love to just create a big this older songs come on just see. You'll get does I guess there's a lot of sitting around watching people does because we yeah exactly just in from the Youth Today. I have a question does Lanka question three. What would you do in this Sunday afternoon? Just gone tiny I was. I was one of my new hobbies out and I was sitting with my wife and we will try oil painting. Yeah those good way now have done it for very good. What about you then? Dumb a place under league football usually but the weather was pretty bad. And as you can imagine the pitches weren't too great either so I ended up staying at home and Cook a Sunday roast lovely. There's no games guiding on at the moment older pick an impulse move one. I had to collecting tolls of my roof. But that's another story. I could tell you to wind blown out of but I question for what was the last big treat you gave to yourself Tony Automated Frieden spontaneously to And this was in the Christmas busy period for most hey justice but mainframe spontaneously what was among quick. Clay won't could end Jessica. I'll this is why we do. This is just sprinkle I. What about you lay offs? Salam the monument. Correct you all right. So lastly last late tell us morphing that we really need to know about you. Tiny go when I started. Going hairdressing crave used to mention used to wear makeup. But I used to make most of my close up at my mum's underwear it was the icy and if he got while sitting watching people don't see imagine. Do we know we will at last again for you lousy. Tell us one more thing that we really was a tough one. This is a tough one in any way before I was going to be. It's GonNa be a hairdresser aspirations going to university and I was looking to do physics and astronomy. Now that never happens. I'm don't even try and ask any Algebra questions to answer however with ask you those questions in in in in space in astronomy and a few years back are group's ever really Fancy Telescope. Nor'easter Astro photography. And if you go back through my instagram personal one it's a shameful plug as Liam Bradley Hair You can see going back to the beginning of instagram of fighters. The moon is to take and sensitive. And let's finish the Italian as you. Well cannot PSI OPS been in the presence of two stars and you two thousand as Bain really good to not have really George Company and thank you for sharing has been great and knock Oslo listeners. Listening more today much appreciated thank you then to. Tony would an leofric coming on and sharing that great steward and I think there is some real takeaways to be taken from the episode thirsty. The big one that comes out of there is have a strategy for when you want to come out of your business because let's be honest we don't want to be work into are dying in the salon. Is there a point where maybe freshening up? The business may be moving to the side and let in someone new coming with new energy and dynamic force tools at which certainly Tony soil in Liam as well as some great takeaways. I think for you the Salon employee because you may be an asylum that you absolutely love in right now and maybe that could be part of your career pathway. Maybe one day if that time is right if you ever feel that your salon owner is looking to maybe move the business on there may be. You could be that person if you fit all that right criteria so again. Really good stuff. If you WANNA gun check a- any of the points that we talked about as well as links that were mentioned include in that competition and well at cal conversation that we mentioned that the introduction to this show and we have the show notes for you and you could find that by go into ww dot how to cut dot it slash. Ep One free nine as you know we bring you these podcasts. Every Monday morning. And we love Doing Jessica because we bring you so many incredible guests and the best way to make sure that you never miss an episode. Going forward is to subscribe to the podcast. Show on your use you podcast providers just such as how to cut it and you'll find that if you're listening on apple jeans please do leave us a rating and review. They really do help us. Grow to show and it gives us some great feedback as well as please carry on sharing your how to cut it on your instagram stories. It's really good to say it's great cease many view. Julian the PODCAST. Look what you where. 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The big d zone

14:14 min | 1 year ago

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Amanpour: Yuval Noah Harari, Stephen Fry & David Zucchino

Amanpour

57:09 min | 10 months ago

Amanpour: Yuval Noah Harari, Stephen Fry & David Zucchino

"Hello everyone and welcome to import. Here's what's coming up you. Manatee has dealt with many such epidemic before and we'll probably a better than ever before in history philosopher and bestselling author Yuval Noah Harari on how globalization is the best weapon against the corona virus. Then a break from the virus as we go on an odyssey through ancient Greek myths and modern democracy with the inimitable. Wit and actor Stephen Fry plus the city was fifty six percent black eighteen ninety eight today. It's eighteen percent so they just turned a black majority city overnight into this white supremacist citadel. A murderous clue that changed everything or the David's Aquino talks to our Walter Isaacson about an overlooked bloody conflict and the rise of white supremacy in Wilmington North Carolina. Welcome to the program everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. The week began with Italy. Locking down the epicenter of its Corona virus outbreak and sixteen million people and it was the West most dramatic move yet but by the end of this week all of Italy sixty million people are under quarantine and president trump had banned all travel from Europe into the United States for the next thirty days starting at midnight Friday. This is the most aggressive in comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history to keep new cases from entering our shores we will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next thirty days trillions of dollars are being wiped off the world's stock markets Culture Sports Schools. Hospitals are all under siege. A social distancing becomes the rule in crises like these people all over always look to their leaders well leadership but my next guest argues that instead there'd be no clear answers and a rapid loss of trust and confidence between people and their governments making. This crisis is far worse. Bestselling author and philosopher. Yuval Noah Harari. Join me to talk about it. He wrote blockbuster books such as Sapiens about human nature and he's a history professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Yuval Noah Harari. Welcome back to our program. It's to be here thank you would. These are extraordinary days. I don't know you have written obviously a lot about history a lot. About what makes us human? Have you seen in modern times in our technological economic globalized society? A crisis? Quite like this one like this one not really. I mean we haven't seen an epidemic a global epidemic like this for at least one hundred years and really. Nobody has living experience of what's going on. What what we're seeing now which is part of what makes it so frightening and so alarming but when you look at the broader perspective of history then yes humanity has dealt with many such a pedometer before and. We're probably in a better situation than ever before in history to deal with such an outbreak because of because of medicine you know when the black death adopted in the fourteenth century so swept from China to Britain in about ten years killing between coulter and half of the entire population of Asia and Europe. And nobody had any idea what is happening. What is the cause of the disease and what can be done about it today with the coronavirus epidemic? It took just two weeks for scientists and doctors not just to identify the virus behind the outbreak. But also to sequence its entire genome and to develop tests that at least tell us who has the virus and who hasn't so we still way until we overcome this but we are in as I say in a better position than in any previous time in history. But let's not forget that this swept from China to Britain to the United States within much much shorter period of just a few months. What as an ordinary citizen now frightens you most or do you wish most could happen to stop the panic. At least I think the worst thing is the unity within the world The lack of cooperation coordination between different countries and the lack of trust are both between countries and also between the population and the government. This is basically the payday for what we've been seeing in the last few years with the epitome of fake news and with deterioration of international relations. If you compare this for example to the two thousand eight financial crisis which is of course a crisis of different kind but there are similarities. In two thousand and eight. You had responsible adults in the world which took a leadership position. Rally the world behind them and prevented the worst outcomes but over the last four years. Basically we've seen a rapid deterioration of trust in international system the country which was the leader previously both in the two thousand eight financial crisis and also in the last bigger pedantic the Ebola epidemic in two thousand fourteen and that country is GonNa States. Now it's not taking any kind of leadership position actually seems twenty. Sixteen the Corner Administration has made it very clear that the US has resigned. Its role as world leader. It made it very clear that the US has no longer any friends in the world it has only interests and even if now the US which is not doing so far but even if it will try to assume a leadership position nobody would really follow a leader whose motto is me. I saw what really frightens. Me Is the lack of leadership and cooperation and what people should realize. Is that the spread of of the pedantic in any one country threatens the entire world because of the danger that if we don't contain this in time the virus will evolve. Let's maybe one of the worst problems with this kind of epidemic is actually a rapid evolution of the virus. We saw it before with the two thousand fourteen at Bala epidemic. It actually started. The real epidemic started with one genetic mutation in one virus in one person in West Africa which turned ebola from a relatively rare disease into a raging epidemic because this single mutation increase increased the contentiousness of the virus. Four Times. Now this could be happening right now somewhere in Iran or in Italy or anywhere else and were ever happens. It endangers the entire world. Humanity needs to close ranks against the viruses. You say close ranks and that seems to be contrary to what let's say the populace and the nationalist of Said as you say since two thousand sixteen whether it's in the United States here in the UK and elsewhere around the world that globalization is just bad and we need to always close ranks so that we don't get anything bad from across borders. But you're saying now that has proved to be a bankrupt theory when dealing with this kind of crisis because you can't deal with the virus really I mean you can't prevent epidemics through isolation you can only prevent them with information if you really want to isolate yourself to the degree that you're not exposed to outside P. Damn ix going back even to the Middle Ages is not enough because we had these kinds of academics even in the Middle Ages. If you really want to isolate yourself as a strategy against epidemics you to go back all the way to the Stone Age and nobody can do that. The real border you need to protect very carefully is not between countries but the boulder between the human world ends virus sphere. Humans are surrounded by an enormous variety of viruses in all kinds of animals and and and and places and if a virus crosses this boulder anywhere in the world it endangers the entire human species. This is the border we should really be thinking about. If a virus originating for example in a bat manages to cross the border into the human species anywhere in the world vet virus then adopts to the human body and then it. It's a danger to everybody all over the world. Now it's an illusion to think that in the long term you can protect yourself against that virus by simply closing the borders of your country. The more effective policy is to police the border between humankind and the virus world. How do you do that? If by supporting health systems all over the world by realizing that something that is happening now in West Africa or in Iran or in China. It's not just a threat to the Iranians or the Chinese. It's also a threat to the Israelis so we need more organizations like the World Health Organization and more international solidarity to help the country which is currently most affected deal with this crisis. What the retail by sending them equipment and and and personnel and more than anything else. Good information good scientific information or it is by economic support a country where an outbreak begins. If it thinks it's on its own. It will hesitate to take drastic quarantine measures because it says well if we look down the entire country our entire cities we will collapse economically and nobody will come to help us. So let's wait and see whether it's really is such a big danger and then it's too late now if a country like I dunno like Italy would know that it looks itself down it will receive help from other countries it will be willing to take this. Drastic measure sooner and this will be a benefit for the whole of unanimity and every euro that Germany or France spends in supporting Italy in such a situation would save them a hundred euros later on not having to deal with the epidemic in their own cities. Now that this whole viruses out of the box and there's been you know one could say a slow response around the world to police that border between the virus and human beings. Italy is taken a drastic measure. I mean the whole country's in lockdown. Yes what do you think about that? I would say that this is a test especially for the European Union which has lost a lot of support over the last few years and this is a chance for the European Union to really prove its worth. This is the time for the other members of the Union to come to Italy's support if they do that they will not only Protect their own citizens but they will show the value of such a system like the European Union. If they don't do that the virus could destroy the union and no chance to individual human lives. I want to ask you about the social impact. Does something like this where people are forced to self isolate with very little information with very little testing with very little belief in what they're being told. How do you see this affecting society? Well the immediate issue is the issue of trust whether people trust their governments and whether people trust what they hear in the media because to have effective quarantine you need the corporation of the population. And that's very problematic issue because this kind of trust has been eroded over the last few years the other big issue more long-term Is About Surveillance? One of the dangers in the current epidemic is that it will justify extreme measures of surveillance especially biometric surveillance which will be Justified as a means to deal with this emergency but even after the emergency will be over. It will remain. We are talking about system of monitoring an entire population all the time for biometrics signals allegedly in order to protect people from future epidemics. But this can also on the basis of an extreme totalitarian regime. We are facing a huge issue of surveillance and privacy in age. And I think that we'll see a big battle between privacy and health and health is likely to win that people will have no privacy at all in the name of protecting them from the spread of such epidemics now. The thing is that the community can be very effective. We now have the technology to monitor entire population and discover for example. The outbreak of a new disease. When it's only just beginning and it's very easy to contain it and to follow all they're all the infected people and know exactly where they are in what they do but this kind of surveillance system can then be used to monitor many other things. What people think what people feel? And if we aren't careful this epidemic can give justification for the accelerating development of television regimes. That that's a pretty dramatic thought to try to digest. Humans are not meant to be self isolating people or self isolating species and there are already anecdotal reports from Italy and elsewhere. You know elderly women who like to go to a cafe chat to have their regular contact being disallowed there's reports loneliness and Shutting Syndrome and depression. That that's also a big worry society. Humans are especially vulnerable to a PD. Mix because we are social animal. And this is how it's spread. The thing about the viruses is that they often exploit our best the best parts of human nature against us. They exploited the fact not only that we like to socialize but also that we help each other when somebody's sick. The obvious natural thing to do. Especially if this somebody is a friend or family member is to come to them to give them support to take care of them to give them emotional support to touch them to hug them and this is exactly how the virus spreads so the virus really makes use of the best parts of human nature against us and again two ways of how to deal with that one way is to give information to people and if people trust the information they receive they can change their behavior at least until the epidemic dynamic is over the other way is the totalitarian away to have again. It couldn't be done in the Middle Ages but it can't be done today just to survey everybody. So it's it's I fall to identify the initial signals of you're becoming sick like in we not economic G to know. If you're tim even without putting something inside your body just from a distance to know if your body temperature is higher and we know all the people that you've met today and we know who for example broke the government instructions not to a hug. You not to kiss you. So if people don't believe the information they receive and they don't do it out of trust they can be compelled to do it by an only present regime of surveillance. This is the dangerous path. I hope we don't go in that. Direction Yuval Harari. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you everyone. Poppy Harlow here this week on. Cnn's boss fouls podcast we sit down with WNBA. Commissioner Cathy Engelbert. She is the first woman to hold that title commissioner of the Wnba a move that empowers women in professional sports. She opens up about her personal relationship with Kobe Bryant. And what he and his thirteen year old daughter John. Meant the future of women's basketball. We also get into the tough negotiations. Run the new collective bargaining agreement that has left players with higher salaries and paid family leave. She says players in the League are activists and take a stand on social issues. And then wait until you hear the story about her father and why he turned down an opportunity to play in the NBA. I hope we can check it out. Subscribe to boss spouse today. The wait is over coming to H. L. N. All new episodes of forensic files follow the evidence and crack the case forensic files to Sunday's attack only on H. L. N. at the making history. Cnn presents a story of the world's most famous royal family the windsors inside the Royal Dynasty Sundays at ten on CNN. And now we look for a little relief as we go back to a time way before corona virus to ancient Greece. And we do so with author actor and welcome wit Stephen. Fry His latest work. Heroes recalls greet mitts and their relevance to our modern world a renaissance man FRY is an iconic fixture in British culture known for his humor as well as his work exposing the brutal realities of mental health. He's a compelling conversationalist as well as I found when. Join me here in the studio Stephen Fry. Welcome to the program in your book is about Ancient Greece and the midst. But I just want to know. What is it about the Greek myths ancient Greece and ancient civilization? That attracts you. Will I think there's a number of things? One is simply as narrative stories. I think that just unsurpassable in the juice that which in the marvelous depths and ambiguity no character is all good or all bad in that sense that what we think of as modern but also I. I'm fascinated by the way what is going now. Particularly the two nominee of technologies approaching us not just bio hacking biotech gene. Editing genomics generally nanotechnology quantum computing machine learning and of course All the various possibilities of of changing bodies and and robotics and so on all these coming together coalescing into one huge existential change for the world and people talk about elements of it and it strangely enough in myths that you can you can see these things. The Greeks talked about the time when the gods punished us for having five having self consciousness and and his champion who stole fire from Heaven and gave it to us. It was tortured on the Caucasus Mountains. And the Gods Zeus in. I was afraid that man would have mankind would have their own spark the divine fire. What is the FI- melt since melts roasts and toast and that seems a long way? But of course in the eighteenth century it was crucial to understanding of releasing cells from the shackles of medieval ecclesiastic. And now we're in the same position that Zeus was in. Do we give thought to Entities are robotic entities in twenty thirty years time when they purchase level of intelligence. Do we give them self consciousness in the way and if we do not need this in the way we known on the needed the goals in the book in front of You Heroes? Do you have a passage that you can read for us? You mentioned Zeus. But this is this is this is the period of the heroes and one of the most famous here is. He's very appealing to catch is like Nietzsche because he represented the Athenians the greatest virtues. He was intelligent. He was not. You could solve puzzles. And He of course famously had the greatest positive autism which is why the city of Thebes had been visited punished by the Gods and there was an cleanliness happened that he traces it to its source of discovers of course himself the fact that he has unwittingly marriages mother and killed. That's what we all know about complex but on his way to Thebes. He can't get past the Sphinx. Who is this hotline creature? She challenges with riddle. And if they don't answer it they're killed and to hear. Oedipus shows something of why he is a specific like. Tell me this travelers. She says to him what walks on four feet in the morning. Two feet at noon and three in the evening Four feet in the morning to noon three and evening. Just give you the answer that per the swings and you may freely pass. Oedipus sucked in through his teeth manner. Man He said shaking his head. That's a teaser mistake. Ha You can't solve it then but I did said. He puts raising his eyebrows in surprise. Didn't you him in the swing stead? But you mean I just told you manner man I said and man is the answer when man is born in the morning of his existence. He crawls on all fours in his prime the noontime of his day he goes upright on two legs but in the evening of his life. He has a third a stick to help him on his way. But but but how it's cooled intelligence. Now let me go on my way. That's great I put it in that way. He's a famous subject to love to do it. You know the person this things but to share his self confidence he's over self confidence to Chrissy has the great tragic floor of Hubris. He believes he can solve any problem and his action in solving that problem. But what's interesting? What was interesting to nature about about that whole subject in about the way sophocles attacked in his play in Toronto. See the puts. The king is that he saw the group says wrestling with the two sides of human existence. The opponent as he called it Apollo was the hominy and reason music kind of Golden. Lighten Mathematics and die. Nicest go to frenzy appetite and addiction wildness and submission to the baser instincts of the self and the Greek seemed to understand we both those things. You can't just be APP alone in. You can't just be done. This and needed possess this deep dark. Intense secret of his humanity is dr his impulses filth inside but covers it with this idea. I console problems. I'm the new modern kind of leader. And that's true today as it ever wants. We'RE BROUGHT DOWN BY OUR INSTINCTS. So you've also got a podcast right. Seven deadly sins. Tell me about that. What why? What's that all about. Well I remind us just. In case forgotten. What the seven deadly ones are preyed avarice. Lust envy gluttony. Roth and if you call. Rav anger remember them as Pale gas easiest Monica. I know I don't that we're doing a lot of looking out and finger-pointing what's wrong with the world outside about how those people are letting us down those people. The fault their weakness that cruelty that bullying that inadequacy the rapacity. Very little looking in and saying well. Actually the fault of the world is made I am. I am the one who has these slimy thoughts these and I think whatever your outlook whether religious non-religious emotive is sort of philosophy. You you you ascribe. To subscribe to most of us went pre lying in bed at night. Which would which we were better. We we feel would be happier if we were better. No happier for rich necessarily but if we were just kind of people like just more and we are prouder of ourselves in the best meaning of pride that Dion tick sense is very strong in all of us. I think and I wanted to experiment to see whether it's still held up and whether those sins held up and avarice you mentioned. I'm your greed. Greed is good was. The was the famous exactly exactly. But there's a new film out and I just interviewed Steve Coogan and the director Michael Winterbottom and you and a number of other celebrities in that film which is loosely about a retail billionaire. Here in Great Britain knew who went bust but really exploited workers in the manufacturers of cheap fast fashion in Asia. You play yourself so does presponse co play on James Blunt Norman Cokes to do it. I thought it was an amusing that I was playing myself as somebody who greedily accepted money re flights go to a billionaires party when in fact I was doing was accepting the lowest possible income. You can get which is a Michael winterbottom film predict you know this idea of greed? It's also a sort of a morality play for today. Because it informs so much particularly the younger generations view of politics inequality the just just a you know again without being managed Pires with which neither attractive qualities but in the early days engine it I used to go to lots of meetings start up companies and things and I always used as C. Instantly the greatest person in the room there are some people who go into these things in order to have an IPO in order to sell to Google or one of the big entities instead of valley in order to have power money and not in order to change the world. That's ridiculous tonight but there is in the early days of that technology. There was something so exciting about it and I got to be careful what you wish for. Do Remember that phrase that was used in the early days of the DOT. Com explosion was Move quickly and break things these facebook and Google and and the other word disruption yes. No-one no-one said the haven't you ever noticed that? In life moving slowly not break. Things is a really good way to be safe and disrupt the lesson room prisoners brave and it's become a political mantra disruption president trump and going around breaking things doesn't strike me as being that but the irony politically is extraordinary because the Conservative Party. I grew up with Mitchell in my parents. You know conservative country fates and so on and the old school way was precisely against people breaking things it was considering things it was though the way things are maybe not quite right but we'll slowly evolve and I was impatient with it but I sort of respect that sort of conservatism valued institutions valued things. That were vindicated by history. And I had a Patina of something The organic made went planned in this Sutra. Listrik Stalinist Newtown. They had grown up and there was a human shape too. No that was the conservative approach to things down some attend to build a new country a new. Now that's completely reversed. This is now the right wing that that does the tearing down the left wing seems obviously old-fashioned wants to retain some things and destroy. Doesn't the only? It's the only approach that you should have is. Which side wants to tell things but it is worth observe as Vita ignorance so relevant. I mean many people. I just want to put up this lovely old picture from one thousand nine hundred three where you are pictured at Cambridge with Emma Thompson. Hugh Laurie and others and this was sort of. I guess you're the Petri dish that that that you know that event that was responsible for your growth. The let's go corona virus just a little bit serious so I can make a hard term because then you know many years later in two thousand and six. You made a documentary. You made a documentary called the secret life of the manic depressive. You came out about your own mental health issues. You made a campaign which we've got the picture of and you being the president of mind since two thousand eleven you've used it also in in your podcast you talk about it alone. Just how for those who suffering and there's so many people suffering out there. Just what can you tell them about what you went through there? Is there for them about how mental health is being treated should be treated now? We'll I'm hoping people watching feel less alone than they might have done. Ten fifteen twenty years ago when you're really wasn't a subject that people discussed a great deal that in moods personality changes that the anxiety is dreads and so on were things you tended to keep quiet about. Some people may feel that. It's being talked about too much now. But I I would say this one of the problems of not being diagnosed and not realizing that you have say mood disorder like bipolar disorder. Which is what affects me is that you will do anything to change this pain. This move to the the mood that his I did. You can't rest. You can't stop your mind from the racing and racing racing racing and you can sleep. You got a little bit manic or you're so darkened depressed you betty move and the things you can actually reach out to our drugs and alcohol because they can do that. They can all chill cocaine. Can you walk down? And alcohol can sort of tamp things down if you're too high but they are obviously a disaster to become become something who depend upon and people naturally look on. You is just someone as a loser. Who's just don't capable to staying sober and is a wastrel. Look on yourself as that you know you and then when you try and stop taking the drugs the alcohol you're left with the hole in the middle that That you were trying to fill with those ridiculous things. And that's why it's very important. I think to to try and get some form of diagnosis to be to be shown that this is a common theme moods and discredited before as being like the weather you know when it's raining is raining you it's never pretending it's not raining you'll get wet. It is windy. Get blown around. But it's also zillion Fulton's raining. You didn't cause the rain. That's a mad reach of Solipsism to suggest that you know that it's raining. It's on my phone and because he's writing nor does it mean that it's going to rain for the rest of your life. The Sun will come out. You don't know when it's been beyond your control. The maybe tomorrow may not be for a week. You mant knuckle hung hunker down for a week. But that's how it is with a with a mood disorder. It's so easy to think it's your fault so easy to think that it's permanent and it's so easy to think that the there's nothing you can do about it and the answer is you. You have to find ways of Cope and you can and there is help and of course it's like anything. Some people have it so seriously that they hurt each other terribly and I had to come. Suicide attempts to that was that was pretty grim and a little pain misery. It's quite hard to to bring them back into head. You Make Kosovo happy just by remembering around happiness you can. I wasn't happy why was I wanted to do that? I understand that in my seven. That's blessed thing you come. You can't recall the pain of a broken screaming with pain again. Fortunately but it's something you have to remember to live with this and I think when people like you tell these stories. It's it's really doubly triply valuable because people who know you can see what actually you know. Okay maybe I'm not a superstar but at least I can also be functional and it gives them a lot of Hogan's because the important things to say one is that it can be incredibly series and you mustn't underestimate the morbidity as a doctor would say the threat to health and life that it presents but at the same time there are remarkable people in the past and present living extraordinary creative fulfilled. Happy lives with it so the to have to be exempted. Can I ask you a final question? And it's kind of funny. Everybody here in Great Britain will know you as the audiobook voice of Harry Potter series. But you have a funny story about a line that you just couldn't get right J. K. Rowling was not sympathetic. She was there was a phrase in it. And it's just one of those is not a difficult as three words. Harry pocketed it. Reportedly it. I keep being audited it. You can do it. You save that for some reason. I keep wanting to put in extra pocketed. I kept telling it and trying. It and the engineer was laughing. I was GonNa say let's Park it and Ju- wasn't in that particular recording session so I called her at lunch and because the books were unabridged if she was very determined that they shouldn't be in any way convinced or cut because she imagine children would follow them their fingers while listening to the you know that was a thing and so I called the to say for some reason to. I don't see Harry pocketed it. Do you mind if I say Harry put it in his pocket and she said so a venture to get it but five more Harry Potter Books. Each one contains the phrase. Harry pocketed she bombs for me. Did actually say right. I'm Harry pocketed well down but if I said proper speed. Harry pocketed the IT. Just put an extra suitable. Even heroes is the latest. Thank you very much Indian Q. A tongue twister. Indeed now a forgotten chapter of American history now. The city of Wilmington North Carolina once stood out as a vibrant mixed race community. But that all came to a dramatic end in eighteen. Ninety eight when white supremacists staged a bloody coup? Yes a coup in America. The city's government was overthrown and sixty black men were killed Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. David Zucchini no is putting it. All down on paper in his new book Wilmington's lie and he sat down with Walter Isaacson to talk about how the rising started and about its long lasting impact. This amazing book because it's about eighteen ninety eight but it's also about today. Describe what it was like in Wilmington North Carolina in eighteen ninety eight well before the coup. Wilmington was really an outlier. It was unusual. It was unique among southern cities and first of all it had a majority black population. It was fifty six percent black. I think New Orleans was something like twenty seven percent Louisville seventeen percent but more importantly it had a multi-racial government which was very unusual at the time you had black men in positions of power. You had Three of the ten city Aldermen were black. Ten of the twenty six policemen were black. You had black magistrates The Superintendent Streets was black. The county treasurer was black. So there was this real sort of meeting of the the White Republicans and Black Republican sharing power in a mid size southern town biggest city in North Carolina at the time an important commercial port. And this just drove the white supremacists crazy and they were not going to stand with it and they put in put in place a plan that lasted for several months leading up to the midterm elections in eighteen ninety eight but even other places around the south in the early eighteen ninety S. You have a lot of black who've registered to vote and they start getting electrical power so Wilmington is sort of a big example of exactly but but throughout that period we hadn't yet had this backlash right exactly right and there were other other towns that did have a black officials but I think Wilmington was was unique there was a baptist publication in eighteen. Ninety eight called quote the Free Town for a Negro in the country. The other thing that was unusual about Wilmington was that residential it was very mixed there was still segregation in some neighborhoods but there were a lot of neighborhoods where whites and blacks lived next to each other particularly the working class so it was very interesting but as you say this was going on throughout the south but at the same time white supremacists ever since the end of reconstruction in eighteen seventy seven had been work working very hard to tamp down the black vote to crush the black. Vote to terrorize blacks. And as you know they call themselves the Redeemer. And they were redeeming the south four white supremacy. Why did that happen? In the eighteen ninety s and the eighteen nineties there was a terrible recession and poor white farmers to belong to the populist party became dissatisfied with the Democratic Party which as you know and our listeners know was the party of white supremacy at that time and they abandoned the Democratic Party and went over to the Republican Party the Party of Lincoln and the Party of of black suffrage and they combine something called Fusion and by eighteen ninety four with the blacks working together with White Republicans and Black Republicans took over the state legislature and the next year they took over the city government in Wilmington and this was truly unusual in the south and again as I say. The white supremacist weren't going to stand for that. They vowed to win the election in nineteen ninety eight by the ballot or the bullet or both and they announced beforehand. And it's such a dramatic tale. How did it begin? In Wilmington? It began in the spring of eighteen. Ninety eight a man named Josephus Daniels founding publisher of the news and observer which was the paper in Raleigh the capital by far the most Important and influential paper in the state met with the head of the Democratic Party. A man named Simmons and they said quote Negro rule is going to destroy us. Our biggest threat is the black voter particularly in eastern North Carolina and southeastern North Carolina. They were eighteen counties that had black majorities including the county for willing. They called it the black belt and this was an XS and existential threat to white supremacy. And so they came up with a plan and they called it the white supremacy campaign they actually titled it that and their plan was to convince white voters that first of all blacks were incompetent incapable of voting and the blacks in government were totally corrupt. The government was totally corrupt. And at the same time they presented blacks as sexually insatiable they were coming after the white women of the South. They were going to rape women and they're going to take your job so they started this campaign through the spring and the summer in the fall leading up to the midterm elections in the fall to convince white voters particularly the populace that quote. Negro Rule Negro domination would lead to amalgamation and race mixing the White Race would be destroyed. Our power would be gone. The blacks will take over but it wasn't just a propaganda campaign against blacks. They decide to make it an armed militia against blacks right they in addition to having this fake news campaign in this propaganda campaign. They have their own militia. They were called red shirts an effect. It was the clan. You had an extremely well armed white populace at the same time. They refuse to sell weapons or ammunition to blacks so it was no way for the blacks to defend themselves and in addition they had this red shirt militia and their job was to write out through the Cape Fear Countryside at night barge into the black homes. Pull THE MEN OUT WHIP THEM. Beat them intimidate them and say if you dare to register to vote we're going to come back and kill you. So how many blacks? What registered to vote in eight thousand nine hundred ninety six in the whole state? There were one hundred twenty six thousand by one thousand nine hundred to six years later they were six thousand so you can see how effective this was and now on election day in. November eighteen ninety. Some blacks did very courageous. They worked up the courage and they tried to get to the polls. The red shirts were out there. Intimidating them stopping them beating them but a lot of them got through the did manage to vote but only a small percentage of the actual registered voters. Were able to vote on that day and at the same time. The red shirts barged into polling places and stuffed phony democratic ballots and destroyed the Republican ballots. And you ended up with situations in precincts where the candidate won by more votes than the total number of registered people in the district so they won the election by fraud and intimidation but they also were very well armed and they were planning to use violence. Absolutely in addition to the private militia. They had to state militias. There was the Wilmington Light. Infantry and the city naval reserves these were basically the National Guard of the day. They were supposed to report to the. Republican governor in Raleigh but in fact they reported to the leaders of the white supremacy movement. The colonel was a member of one of the secret. Committees of white supremacists. Who were planning the insurrection. Every member of both these militias. We're white supremacists. You have a brutal passage in your book about that. Karnal the night before the coup or the war and what he said demand radio would love to and this is colonel. Alfred More del. He was a former confederate officer. He was a former congressman and he was the man who led the red shirts who would lead them the next day on the right and this was the night before the election is. This was a speech that he gave to the Richard's quote men. The crisis is upon us. You must do your duty. This city county state. She'll be rid of Negro domination once and Forever. You have the courage you're brave. You are the sons of noble ancestry. You are Anglo Saxons. You are armed and prepared and you will do your duty go to the polls tomorrow. And if you find the Negro outvoting tell him to leave the polls and if he refuses killing him shoot him down in. His tracks should in down in his tracks from the beginning. This was not just intimidation. This was actual murder being planned. This was a planned murder spree. A state commission in two thousand six head spent five years looking into this and they estimated that at least sixty black men were killed that day and dozens more wounded. Hundreds of these families fled their terrified and they went into the woods into a black cemetery thinking the white gunman wouldn't go there. They went into the swamps and they hid for two nights and three days and it was November and it was cold and it happened to be raining that first night and there were reports that some babies died of exposure and they were so terrified it took him three days for Colonel Wa Dell the irony of this is after the coup after the violence he starts issuing proclamations saying. Wow well we've got to get control of the situation. We don't want any armed gunmen narrow street. We want law and order now and so he had to convince he sent emissaries out to convince these black families odds fine. It's safe you can come back. But of course as soon as they came back family just started fleeing Wilmington. Twenty one hundred in the weeks and months after the coup fled the city and and never came back The city was fifty six percent black. It's at one thousand nine hundred eighty eight today. It's eighteen percent so they just turned black majority city overnight into this white supremacist citadel. President Mckinley. You knew about this absolutely have been warned about it There was a man named George Henry. White who was a congressman a black man from North Carolina was the only congressmen the only black congressman and the entire country. He was from southeastern North Carolina and a district right next to Wilmington. He went to the White House and met with Mckinley and warned him because as I said they announced ahead of time they were going to do this. Everyone knew about it. It was covered by all the major papers of the day. Congressman White went to McKinley and more and also a delegation of black ministers and warned him after the insurrection. The coup whatever. You WanNA call it George. Henry White went back to the White House talked to McKinley again. The black ministers went and talked to him again. I could find no record that McKinley ever uttered one word in public about the massacre among the heroes in your book is a mixed race man who I guess was trying to keep this from happening. He was my favorite character in the book and as a journalist I just fell in love with his name was Alex Manly and he was actually the grandson of a white North Carolina Governor and the son of a slave he started a daily newspaper called the daily record in Wilmington and he was an advocate for civil rights. He demanded that the country live up to its promises to its black citizens. He wrote exposes. He got improvements in road conditions in black neighborhoods sanitary conditions in black neighborhoods. He wrote an expose on the so-called colored ward at the city hospital and got grudging improvements from from the whites who ran it in August of eighteen ninety eight. He responded to a speech by a woman named Mrs Felton in Georgia. Who was the wife of a prominent politician? She gave a stirring speech in Georgia about lynching and about alleged rapes of white women by black men and the in the speech. She said the solution to these. Rapes is the lynch rope. I say Lynch Thousand Times a week if necessary. Alex Manley read this the very next day he wrote a response and in his editorial was incredibly brave thing for a black man to do at that time with the white supremacy movement in full swing. He wrote that supposed rapes by black. Men of white woman We're in many cases. The men were actually the consensual lovers of the white women and that black men were attractive to white women and whites were hypocrites because white men would rape black women with impunity at happened to all the time in Wilmington and elsewhere and he had the courage to point this out as you can imagine this did not go over well and in fact this was reprinted across the south and people were enraged the red shirts the next day wanted to Lynch Alex Manly and to show you how calculated this whole plot was they were ordered by the leaders of the white supremacy movement. Say No wait will have greater political impact if we wait till the election in November. And then you can lynch Alex Manley. That'd be fine but for now we're going to let this simmer and let it stir and will make use of it in November and he was warned about the Lynch well. He knew that the party was coming from him and he got out of town just in time he fled and never went back. It almost raises a notion of a counter history. Which is what if this type of thing hadn't of happened and we hadn't had this eighteen ninety s white supremacist. Backlash you know with the whole history of this nation be different. Possibly I mean you have to wonder if that never happened. Would Wilmington of gone on and been this this this Black Mecca? Would you have had these eighteen counties electing black people to Congress and nine thousand nine hundred George Henry White? The congressman was just hounded out of the state he. He refused to run for reelection. He knew it was too dangerous. His parting words to the New York Times where I cannot live in North Carolina and be treated like a man he left and never came back and from that day on the no black citizen served in Congress until nineteen ninety two almost one hundred years later. The Wilmington massacre isn't really known to history. That will because it gets written up in the nineteen twenties thirties and forties with a whole different angle. Too absolutely I mean the cliche. Is that the victims right history. And they wrote the history. They were proud of what they had done. They boasted about it and letters and diaries and newspaper articles but they portrayed it as a for good clean government by white men over this corrupt and incompetent quote black rule and they also all that summer and fall had been planning newspaper stories that it wasn't the whites who were stockpiling weapons. It was the blacks and then on election day the blacks were going to rise up with their weapons and take over the town and start a riot so the history they wrote was we unfortunately had to kill a few black people because they were armed and had tried to start a right and that's the way the story was written for more than one hundred years and that's one reason I wanted to write. This book is to correct. The historical record The story is known obviously in North Carolina but not that many people I run into people all over North Carolina. Who said I've never heard of this when I go around the country? I can't find anybody who's ever heard of this. The writing of this history begins to change though as a centenial approaches in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight right right and one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. The University of North Carolina Wilmington said. Listen this history has been has been covered up. It's been mischaracterized. Let's bring the blacks and the whites together including some of the descendants of the people involved. And let's try to have some racial healing address this thing and tell the story so. I think there was some racial healing but it was very painful. There were a lot of whites at the time. Who said why are we? Dredging this up this ancient history. You're stirring up racial trouble. This is over. Let's just move on at the same time as you can imagine. The blacks felt very deeply. This was one hundred years later but their families had been destroyed. Their lives have been destroyed. Their families were scattered across the country. The black middle class was destroyed. They felt this very deeply and there were demands for reparations and then there was a blowback from the whites who said No. We'll never pay reparations. Became a very emotional time but I think in the end. They did reach some reconciliation. David Sakina thank you for being with great to be with you alter the historical perspective is always important. Finally many of us are anxious about the corona virus but ultimately information will be how we overcome the digital age contrast sharply to nine thousand nine hundred eighteen when fifty million people were killed by the Spanish flu and in the classic novel Pale Horse Pale Rider about that pandemic the character. Miranda a journalist is asked to close her eyes she replies no for then I see worse things so if there's anything we've learned this turbulent week and we want to pass on it is this keep your eyes open like Miranda listen to the science to the experts and the evidence take sensible precautions because Fox are much less frightening than rumors and ignorance. That is it for now. You can always catch US online on our podcast and across. Social Media. Thanks for watching and goodbye from London.

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Dwight Frye

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Dwight Frye

"U-turns is a new podcast from how stuff works hosted by Lisa is and Jill hers. It's all about change. And how people say that changes, really hard. But it's possible to make it feel good show is all about switching directions without winding up. Totally lost co Lisa Oz. Jill hers dig into all kinds of questions about change in u-turns. That's why oh you turns join them as they navigate their own life changes and talk about exploration experimentation and transformation. That's u-turns on apple podcasts or wherever else. You get podcasts. Welcome to stuff you missed in history. Class from how stuff works dot com. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly fry and I'm Tracy Wilson. Today's show continues our tradition of Halloween time episodes where each year we pick a classic horror actor to talk about. Spoiler alert though. I feel like it's fair to say this one goes down a fairly sad path such just if you're not ready for that. Maybe saved this one for later, but it is about one of the lesser known horror actors that really helped make John rea- universals great moneymaking success of the nineteen thirties. And I wanted to give him a little bit more time in the spotlight because not many people know about him. We are talking today about Dwight Frye. And if you don't know his name, I think only people who are really into old school horror might just know it offhand. So it's no shame in that game. If you don't know it, but you have probably seen at least one or two of his performances v. I did not know his name off hand when you sent this outline over to me. But then when I went to look for artwork for. For it. I was like. Oh, yeah. That guy. Yes. Which I think is what most people do so. Yeah, he's he's due for a little more attention. So Dwight Frye was born on February twenty-second eighteen at ninety nine in Salina Kansas use the only child of Charles and Ella fry. They were farmers and the fries soon moved to Denver Colorado at this point the family. Name was spelled F R Y with no E at the end and White's mother Ella was a devout Christian scientist. So Dwight followed in her spiritual beliefs, he remained deeply religious throughout his life and Dwight was really artistic as a child he played the piano, and he sang and at the age of nine he envisioned a future for himself as a concert pianist. And that really looked for a while like it would indeed be his path in life. He was lauded by teachers and audiences who attended his recitals as a genius at the keys. He really was. I think if you would ask most people in Denver the time. Yes, he was going to grow up. To be a great famous musician. But eventually he also began to give orations something else. He was quite skilled at. But then once he appeared in his high school's production of the stage play the honeymoon in June, nineteen seventeen acting became his one true love as a performer and by the time. He graduated from Westside high school in Denver. He knew he was going to become an actor. This really wasn't a very welcome shift in his interests, at least in the view of Dwight's parents because as we said, the family were very religious. They were kind of suspicious of the potential depravity debauchery that could be involved in a career in acting, but even more than that acting just wasn't a career that had a high success rate and the fries really wanted their son to have a stable life, so to soothe his parents fears Dwight took it administrative position with a business firm in Denver. But at the same time, he also took acting lessons from Douglas, Fairbanks, former teacher, Margaret feely, and it was not long. Before feely connected. Her people Dwight with the manager of an acting company who offered the aspiring actor job. The company was the denim stock company and they operated in a theater in Denver from nineteen thirteen to nineteen thirty two every week. The troop could on a new play and their offerings ranged from religious holiday fair to melodrama two straight comedy and really everything in between. They did ten performances every week and an evening show every night of the week with matinees on Wednesdays Saturdays and Sundays Dwight made his debut at the Denham on June sixteenth nineteen eighteen and a play called the man from Mexico. But while this may have seemed like an auspicious start for an aspiring young actor things. Really did not quite go as Dwight Frye had hoped. He started out only getting small minor roles which was to be expected. But then he realized that as the company was fully staffed, he wasn't likely to move into anything juicier. So he quit and he enrolled in business school. At the university of Colorado. But he told the head of the company that he would go back to their theater troupe. If something better opened up and something better did open up just two months into his studies in business one of the other actors from the Denham a left the troupe to fight in World War One Dwight accepted the offer to replace him. And when he rejoined the company he started using the F R Y E spelling of his name, basically because he thought it looked better in Brent than the three letter version. Yeah, we don't know much about the logic of it other than that. Like why he thought four letters of a lesson was better than three, but he did. And that was how his name was spelled for the rest of his life reviews of Dwight's acting. We're not exactly a bullion initially. He was described as force and as having an unnatural eagerness on stage. But it was also noted by critics as the season went on that he got better and better throughout it. I understand this criticism. I feel like that could describe my acting as a teenager. Just the same the man who had been running the denim company. OD Woodward took the entire theater company to Spokane Washington, and he brought Dwight along as the company juvenile that meant that he would play all of the young, man. Roles in the troops plays. This group actually debuted in Spokane just after the World War. One armistice in the middle of the flu pandemic and initially. They had to delay their opening because they were quarantined to make sure that all the players were as Woodward promised in the best of health, you had to hearing that pandemic people were encouraged not to be traveling about not not to be, you know, in large crowded places. So there was concern that these actors had just arrived from another place, and what if they were sick, and we all went to their play. Everybody got really potentially mortally ill. So they had to wait for several weeks. Just hang out in Spokane. But in Spokane Dwight was very well received with one critic writing that quote, his heart and soul are in. His work. He acted in eighteen of the twenty one place at the troop put on that season. And even tapped into his playing skills for some of his roles, but the group actually splintered in the middle of the season due to disagreements between Woodward and the theaters business manager after this run in Spokane Dwight made his way to Chicago on the way, it is ultimate goal of New York and Broadway. He appeared in one play in Chicago. It was dangerous age before he moved onto New York Dwight's, I work in New York was as a billion. So he was touring various theaters on the circuit for a Montreal to Texas, and very lighthearted sketches and musical numbers. Yeah. He kind of felt like that's fine. I'll pay my dues before I get a big Broadway gig. I can do vaudeville for a little while his first leading role on the vaudeville circuit was in a play called LA LA Lucille, which featured a couple who were in love, but would have to divorce. So that the husband could inherit his fortune as because the aunt who is leaving him. This money did not approve his wife. Life. This is a musical comedy filled with wacky mistaken identities and cockamamie schemes but the start of the run was abysmal. Dwight had been cast in the role without a lot of time to repair, and that was true of the other performers as well, many of them just didn't know their lines. One critic even called it haha Lucille and almost all of the early reviews. Panned the production things did get better as the tour went on though. And it ran for ten weeks. Yeah. There are lots of stories about how you could actually hear the script people in the wings saying more of the lines than the actors on stage. They were trying to stage whisper all their lines to them, and it was echoing throughout the theater, but it did get much better. Dwight next signed on with the Merckel harder repertory company which kept a really grueling tour schedule the group got Sundays off from performing which was not the case with a lot of touring companies. But they did two shows a day every other day of the week. So they were still doing twelve shows a week, but soon in may nineteen twenty one Dwight took a job with a non touring stock company in Massachusetts. So we've talked on the show before about how really demanding the schedules of these kinds of jobs can be and in the case of fries. Treat the colonial players. They rehearsed in the mornings ate lunch. If they had time to then went into make up to prep for a matinee followed by the evening show and every week they opened a new play. Yes. So I know we've talked about this before. But it always is just a little bit frightening and leaves me an ought to think about the idea that you're rehearsing a new play every week as you're adding it to the place you're performing in the evenings, it's exhausting. Dwight. It was next lured back to Spokane by his former employer Woodward and his return was warmly received by theatergoers. They had actually really missed him. I mentioned earlier he had been really popular when he was there. The first time even though at that point a couple of years had gone by. He was surprised at how warmly the audience greeted him on his return white enjoyed getting to be the beloved returning actor. He still saw this as a detour from his ultimate goal of Broadway. But he also met a woman named Laura may boulevard stage name, Laura Lee in his second run in Spokane Laura and white were cast as each other's romantic interests, and later Dwight would comment that they basically got paid to follow in love, and they were very happy to oblige, but they didn't stay together they were both hustling to get their acting careers started. So neither of them felt they could really be tied down. They called it quits at the end of the season. So before we get to the next stage of Dwight's career. We're going to take a quick break in here from one of the sponsors that keeps this show. Go. Going. This episode is brought to you by stamps dot com. I'm one of those outgoing people who knows all of my neighborhood postal workers every like going to the post office. But sometimes my life is insane. And that is simply not always practical, thankfully these days. You can get almost anything on demand in that includes your mailing needs. 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After that second run in Spokane acting opportunities weren't exactly following at Dwight fries feet. So he decided to return to Denver briefly to visit his parents and think things through any actually considered quitting the theater and going back to business in a surprising move. His parents were like, no, no, this is your dream. Do it even though they hadn't been super thrilled about acting initially. And before he could get too attached to the idea of becoming a businessman. He went back to Massachusetts and he joined the colonial players for their nineteen twenty two summer season. And that proved to be a very smart decision. One of the whites fans and Massachusetts asked a connection from Broadway to come and see a colonial players show in scout. Dwight Frye, and the producer Brock Pemberton was impressed with what he saw so much. So that he signed fry to a contract after seeing him and exactly one play. Dwight finished the summer season with the colonial players and then headed to Broadway to appear in a play called. The plot thickens Dwight made his Broadway debut on September fifth nineteen twenty two and while the play itself didn't get good reviews. Dwight did the plot thickens only ran for fifteen shows, but right after Dwight immediately started a new play the absurdist six characters in search of an author the show had two tests stagings one in Scarborough and Hudson and one for the incarcerated population of things in correctional facility Bennett opened on Broadway on October thirtieth and fry got good reviews. The play ran for a hundred and thirty seven shows which was way beyond its planned for week run. Yeah. That was not really a common. Practice to go to a prison and run a potential Broadway play as a test audience, but Brock Pemberton was a little bit outside the box in his thinking. He was like, well, there are no critics there. So we don't have to worry about that. And I will see what an audience who actually wants to be entertained thinks of this play. Which is pretty interesting in terms of like a thought process, Laura Bullivant Dwight's girlfriend from Spokane had also made her way to New York, and she was working as a dancing girl late nineteen twenty two was a great time for Dwight Frye because his career was taking off they were back together. And he was in love after six characters in search of an author Dwight moved onto a comedy called Rita Coventry where he played one of the titular characters or Mandic interests who also a musician the play opened at the Bijou theatre on February nineteenth nineteen Twenty-three. And it put fry on the map reviews talked about how the show dragged until fry showed up and then it became delightful. The next morning Dwight and Laura read the reviews together over breakfast and based on the success of Rita. Coventry Brock Pemberton signed Twenty-four-year-old Dwight Frye to a five year contract from then his career continued with a series of other well received performances he also returned as a featured guest to the colonial players in pittsfield. Massachusetts in the summer of nineteen twenty three and he was the darling of that summer season. He even reprised his role in Rita Coventry with that start company the musical comedy sitting pretty debuted on Broadway on April eighth nineteen twenty four and as the star Dwight delighted critics and audiences. It was during this time that powerful critic Charles Collins lauded, fry as the next John Barrymore. Yeah. At one point he was actually put on a list of the ten best stars of Broadway, which was pretty huge at the time in the nineteen twenty five melodrama puppets Dwight played a villain, a white slavery. Frank mohacs. This was a departure from the roles that he had been playing up to that point because he had done a lot of musicals and a lot of comedy in light fair and the critics and audiences adored him in this villainous role. This was followed by the show a man's man in nineteen twenty five which is a story about a married. Couple who yearns for more in the ways that their desires are twisted by others for their own. Lines while Dwight Frye had been lauded and praised for his work up to that point a man's, man. Truly made him a star the reviews were all praise and the white called at one of his favorite roles. Ammann's man ran for one hundred twenty shows and whites co star in the play Josephine Hutchinson later talked about how immersed fry would become in the role and essence he was method acting before that was a common technique of actors. She wants told writer, Gregory, William Bank, quote, Dwight would come into the theater and so- hypnotized himself into Israel every night that I was afraid he'd kill me. Yeah. He was he was an immersion actor way beginning at the end of nineteen twenty six and running well into nineteen twenty-seven. Dwight was comedy play the title of which utterly charms me. It was the devil in the cheese. This played a plot. As nutty as one might expect with an Egyptian God appearing to grant one of the characters wish after that man eats a piece of mummified. A two thousand year old cheese. I feel like this is a cautionary tale about our owner episodes. I do. In the cast along with Dwight Frye was also a foreign born actor whose career would end up tied to Dwight's down the road. And that was Bela Lugosi, both go see and fry got the best reviews of the cast, but they didn't become friends after the devil in the cheese ended a successful run Lugosi went onto star in the Broadway. Production of Dracula and Dwight Frye, went onto a whole string of jobs some successful in some not, but he was consistently reviewed, positively. Yeah, he was one of those actors that even if the play was a clunker. They would always go. But Dwight Frye was great don't like he was kind of the saving grace of a lot of shows in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Dwight had great success in Meema this time as another villain, a very cruel pimp with the nickname Al foams, the spider and the reviews of that play which was set in hill and had a constant swirl of rumors about how the entire cast nearly had nervous breakdowns from the way that the rehearsals had been run. We're not good was not well reviewed at all. But the dark nature of the material and the spec. Mccoy of the production. It was one of those shows where the sets were really lavish and expensive continued to draw audiences. It made a ton of money and was a huge success. And it ran for one hundred eighty shows on August, first one thousand twenty eight Dwight and Laura got married they honeymooned and Bermuda. Her career was also really blossoming and during the run of Meema. She was in rehearsals and opening a Broadway show called congratulations that opened in April nineteen twenty nine and it ran for thirty nine shows after a very successful nineteen twenty eight twenty nine season for Dwight in New York, he opted to once again returned to the colonial players in July of nineteen twenty nine for another guest engagement there. And at the end of nineteen twenty nine Dwight's Broadway. Career was undeniably successful. But as the Wall Street crash through New York into a tailspin because a lot of the people that were paying for Broadway. Tickets were suddenly without money Hollywood beckoned to a lot of theater actors the white and Laura moved to Los Angeles, and the white started acting in L A. As starting with ropes end, which was based on a nineteen twenty four murder case. And just as he had in New York fry received praise for his work and soon was making a name for himself as a character actor he also appeared in a revival of a man's, man. All that positive critical attention that he was getting on stage paid off when Dwight started getting his first film roles. He I played a gangster in the doorway to hell in nineteen thirty followed by a larger role in man-to-man later that same year as nineteen thirty came to an end Dwight fries. Life had two big events unfolding one. He and Laura were expecting a child and two he was cast as r-enfield in Universal's. Dracula Dracula started shooting on September twenty ninth nineteen thirty and just as with any other roads white really threw himself into it. And the Bram Stoker novel stage play and film were adapted. From r-enfield is described in the fictional journal of Dr Seward in the following way. Quote, sanguine temperament great, physical strength morbidly excitable. Periods of gloom ending in some fixed idea, which I cannot make out and fries portrayal of r-enfield is a roller coaster of madness from these really quiet and heartbreaking weeping moments too wide eyed delirium driven by being in the thrall of Lugosi's, very seductive vampire fry in. This part always reminds me of kind of clinched jaw, and I've always described it that way, and then I was re watching it prepping for this. And I realized it's because he has this posture where he leaned slightly forward from his upper body, and he is sort of like clinching his John pushing it forward, but he does that physicality and situated that that's just how the whole rule feels to me Laura traveled back to Spokane Washington to give birth while Dwight state in Hollywood for any reshoot that would be required at the end of Dracula's production, their son. Dwight David fry was born the day after Christmas December twenty six nineteen thirty Laura in the baby stayed in spoke. Can for six weeks before heading back to Los Angeles? So Dwight could meet his new son who they nicknamed buddy. Yeah. She had been in Spokane because her family was there, and because of shooting she'd new Dwight would not necessarily be able to help her out a lot and wait on her as she might need in her recovery. So that's why she was in Spokane's for so long. And we're going to talk about the release of Dracula and the films that fry worked on after it in just a moment. But first we're going to pause for a little sponsor break. Hi, I'm Daniel, and I'm Cory, and we're here to tell you all about our brand new podcast, Daniel and hor. Hey, hey, explain the universe in this podcast. We're gonna talk about a lot of things mostly about physics and the universe and all those big mysteries. Scientists a lot of things left to figure out even pretty basic stuff. 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Dwight was called in for a test by writer director, Robert Florey Lugosi was in the same test as Dr Frankenstein's monster fry was auditing for the role of Fritz he was a Hunchback dwarf who didn't appear in the original novel. But was added for the stage adaptation. Yeah. And then he was included in that stage adaptation was adapted for film flory's test for Frankenstein is something of a controversy in film history, flurry, always claimed that the test went great. Stories have persisted that in fact, it was a big problem. It was unintentionally comedic and Lugosi was super angry about the whole thing and felt that the role at least as it was written for that test sequence was beneath him, and so the movie fell through for a variety of reasons. Dwight in the meantime, had to mortgage his car to make ends meet. But then Forber podcasts subject James WALE, decided to take on Frankenstein. He reworked the project cast Boris Karloff. As the monster and started shooting in August of nineteen thirty-one fry remained in the role of Fritz stealing a brain for Dr Frankenstein's project, then later taunting the monster mercilessly as he had done on previous roles. Dwight would not drop out of character. Once he was in makeup. So he often frightened the cast and crew just by sort of lurking around this. This was in contrast to Boris Karloff. Who if you look around online for very long, you'll find pictures of this, but he took tea and he smoked and he played with animals in between takes all in full monster makeup and filming wrapped on October third of nineteen thirty one on November twentieth. The film premiered through a series of soft openings before moving to the larger New York and LA markets, and that was done because universal was actually concerned that it might be too frightening. And they wanted to see how it played in small release. I didn't need to worry though. Frankenstein was an even bigger hit than Dracula had been, but at this point audiences who had never seen white fry a year earlier had now seen him in two horror films both times playing madman back to back. He might have been able to do it all on stage for musical theater too serious drama, but some movie goers, he was only this sort of creepy madman henchman type person. Yeah. Kinda bit him on the tail being as good as he was Dwight had. Mounting pressure as a provider at home, his father had died and his mother moved to California to live with his family in the Hollywood hills. And he did get work. He had a series of bit parts in medium success films. But he was already suffering from typecasting in one thousand nine thirty three's the vampire bat, he played a simpleton named Herman who kept bats as pets and Herman is wrongfully scapegoated in the plot for a series of murders. It's very charming. I really love the of the. Of the vampire bat, and there is one of the best shock takes in that movie ever buy one of the actresses in the scene with Dwight Frye, in my opinion, and it is apparent from this movie that already Hollywood saw this multi talented and musically skilled actor Dwight Frye in just the one way he really missed getting to play different characters. So he started stage acting again, he started living something of a bi-coastal life travelling back and forth from LA to New York touring plays and still working in film, although his film roles continued to generally be these creepy weirdo characters in a way, he was living two lives in the early nineteen thirty s in LA, he had a typecast movie career, and then back on Broadway, and in tours of the east coast he continued to impress theatergoers with his range. But somehow he could never get these two worlds to intersect. Yeah. It's so strange because he was so talented in so many ways and it really come up doing comedy. So too. Then only get the one type of roll over and over and over in Hollywood was really frustrating. But then he got offered a role as a good guy. It was still in a horror movie that's still fresh genre was all the rage at the time. And it was called the crime of Dr Crespi along with Eric von Stroheim. Although after the picture was finished, it kind of lingered for awhile without a release date until it was finally put out in nineteen thirty five and the meantime, James WALE, made his second Frankenstein movie, which eventually became the bride of Frankenstein, and he conjured apart for Dwight by cobbling together. Three smaller roles the white had really loved working with James Wales. So he was really happy to do another har- film with him as the character of Carl Bri got a chance to be comedic and scary and to have a really fabulous death scene Wales. Second Frankenstein movie was a huge success. Yeah. In interviews with Dwight fries. Son, his son, we'll often talk about how he really credits James WALE was sort of. Saving them at a time when they were really desperate any really needed acting work. And then he got cast, of course, in Frankenstein. So yeah, he really thought the world of James whale Dwight's options on Broadway started to dwindle. So he started spending more time in Hollywood playing. These bit parts often wondering how actors who had stood in his shadow on the New York stage had more successful careers when they moved out to California than he did we talked in our James whale episodes about the nineteen thirty seven film the road back which was heavily edited to avoid losing the German market because of its anti Nazi message. Dwight Frye had a bit part in this film and just as Wales film was cut down. So was Dwight's career. But it wasn't because of his involvement in this movie. He just never really caught on as a screen actor that would be billed as a major player fry played an unsettling character on the LA stage in nineteen thirty eight in a play called night must fall his former director from Spokane Washington. OD Woodward directed him in the part of a man who carried a woman's hetero around in a box, and that play Ramat LA's Mason opera house in may of that year in the summer of nineteen thirty eight the Regina movie theater in Los Angeles was really struggling the six hundred forty seat venue wasn't selling tickets and in a desperate move. The manager e Mark human booked a har- triple Bill as kind of a stunt in the late summer. So starting in August of that year. They started showing son of Kong, Dracula, and Frankenstein on one ticket for some reason, this became one of the most popular tickets in Los Angeles with lines around the block in the theater running the Bill at all hours and still selling out and turning away customers, I have aside theory about why this was so successful in it hearkens back to our air conditioning episode. Oh, yeah. So if you could pay for one ticket and get like five hours of air conditioning. Wouldn't you do? Would for movies that had been really popular already? So there was I mean a little bit of nostalgia. It was only like eight years for some of them. But I think that might have contributed to why that was so successful again, August in Los Angeles. So this event really reinvigorated the careers of Lugosi, and Karloff and Dwight Frye was hoping for a similar lift he actually took his son to one of these shows, and he was a little bit disappointed that buddy enjoyed himself. But was not the least bit scared. He was kind of hoping that r-enfield would inspire just a little bit of terror. And instead his son just thought it was amazing in fun. Dwight was cast in son of Frankenstein, which was funded in the hopes of cashing in on the new wave of interest in these older, universal harbor pictures. But by the time the film was edited fries. Small part was completely removed from it in one thousand nine hundred forty one Dracula was staged in Los Angeles at the bow arts theater and for the stage production for I reprised his role of r-enfield y'all so continued to. Take bit parts in films. And he actually appears in a short film called don't talk which was made in nineteen forty two and was nominated for an Oscar that year, but that was like a small bright light in a dimming career. He needed to make ends meet. So he took a job at the Douglas aircraft factory and worked there as a tool designer that night during the day, he continued to look for acting jobs a really good acting opportunity came along when he was offered the role of Alexander Hamilton in the Broadway play the patriots. But he turned it down. He wasn't willing to leave the family or leave his job at Douglas during wartime. It was a really difficult decision though. It's described by his son is like a very heartbreaking decision for him to make and Dwight's last horror picture was Frankenstein meets the wolf, man. It was made in nineteen forty three. And that was followed the same year by two uncreditworthy performances in hangmen also die and dangerous. Blondes his wife Laura picked up work as a store clerk to keep the family afloat. Finally in late nineteen forty three. There was a Ray of light fry was cast in a Woodrow Wilson bio pic that was called Wilson. This was at Twentieth Century, Fox. He had the smallest role of Wilson's secretary of war Newton debater. But FOX's putting a lot of money into this movie. It was going to be their big offering of nineteen forty four and it would be fries. First color picture. Yeah. He was pretty excited that this was gonna kinda relaunch his career and on the night of November seventh nineteen forty three. Dwight took his wife, Laura and their son buddy to the Pantaleon theater to watch an archaic. Double Bill of a lady takes a chance and Sherlock Holmes faces death sets in that Sherlock Holmes picture. We're actually from films that fry had been in. There was a set in it from Dracula, and my mother from Frankenstein when the evening's entertainment was over the family walks to a bus stop at Hollywood and vine, they boarded the best back home. But just after they got on Dwight collapsed in the aisle an. Ambulance was called. He was taken to Hollywood receiving hospital where he died shortly after arrival he was forty four and had been really hopeful that his acting career was once again about to get underway, but he had died of a heart attack his death certificate listed, his profession as tool designer in reference to this work. He was doing in the aircraft industry, and while Dwight's death was a surprise to virtually everyone. He had actually known for a while that he had a heart condition. He had had two minor heart attacks at work at the factory, and he never told his family about them. And he swore his co workers to secrecy because he believed that he would be healed through faith. So he never sought any medical attention. He was buried at forest lawn. Cemetery in Glendale, so it's a very sad end for Dwight Frye because he was very young. And I feel like he probably could have done a lot more interesting work. And like I said I really enjoy him in a lot of movies. So I'm bummed that we don't have more of them. He it's kind of interesting he had never in his life gotten fan mail, and it wasn't until after he died that his family started receiving fan mail for his work. So he kind of got recognized after he had passed but not during his lifetime. Tweet fry. And that was a bummer Halloween story. Well, it's also one of those which it doesn't seem like it's going to be a bummer. And then it suddenly is right. Because it seems like I mean, right at the end it really seemed like it was about to turn around. Sorry. You have some listener mail. I it's maybe not a bummer. I do it's it's more of a thank you than a listener mail completely. There is male involved. But I'm not going to read it all it is in tiny script. And I'm not confident that I will read it all correctly. But it is from our listener gin and Jin made a trip to the Milton Carnegie museum, and she very very kindly sent us a bunch of goodies. 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Revisionist History Presents: The Last Archive

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Revisionist History Presents: The Last Archive

"Hi Everyone Malcolm here. We'll be bringing you the winning vote getter of our revisionist revisited competition. Next week it was a nail biter right now. I have to tell you about a stunning new show from Pushkin Industries. Because you're GONNA love it. It's called the last archive conceived of written and hosted by one of the smartest historians on this planet. Jill Lepore she's a professor at Harvard and a staff writer at the New Yorker and her podcast pursues a mystery across time. Who KILLED TRUCE? God tells a story from a different decade in American History Joe was also inspired by old-fashioned radio dramas so her team track down a sound Effects Library from the nineteen thirties when that have been sitting around in archive on discs. Made from SHELLAC. Resin SHELLAC digitize them so the producers could sprinkle the sounds of the past series. The result is like nothing you've ever heard before the shows out. Now here's the second episode. It's called the detection of deception. It a listen and then subscribe to the last archive. Imagine there's a place in our world where the known things go. A QUARTER OF THE MIND. It's walls lined with shelves stocked with proof and cluttered with clues here over on top of this filing cabinet wooden box with a brass nameplate. W M M Damn clocked this place. This vault stores the facts that matter and matters of fact all that stands between reasonable doubt and the chaos of uncertainty. It lies in a time between now. And then the sign on the door reads the last archive wind. Your Watch back a century step across the threshold into a lecture hall. The class met twice a week at American University. Two blocks from the White House in the spring of Nineteen twenty two in the evening. All the students were lawyers. There were young men. The professor only twenty eight was hardly older than his students. William Moulton Marston but professor Marston had a BA and a J. D. and PhD. He was an intellectual rogue handsome dangerously charming almost as charming as he was ambitious. He was trying to establish a new discipline. The science of testimony. The science of how you know whether someone is telling the truth. He liked to teach by way of experiment and on this particular evening. He was conducting an experiment on what eye-witnesses can actually notice and remember. It seems to be a regrettable fact that little systematic psychological experimentation is being carried on in the field of testimony. Much valuable material is being produced by psychiatrists sociologists and criminologists from time to time but the subjects of such studies are either psychopathic or criminal variants from the criminal variants. Enter in the middle of Marston lecture. A young man entered the hall. He wore leather gloves in his right hand. He carried an envelope tucked under his left arm. We're three books. One Red one green one blue eye. Red Marsden's lecture on a red is report on this experiment. What happened next. I like to imagine? Sorry to interrupt Sir but the Messenger handed the professor. The envelope Marston opened the envelope pulled out a yellow paper and read its contents. Well Professor Marston was reading the message. The Messenger slid a second envelope into professor Martin's policy. And then the Messenger. Using only his right hand pulled out of his own pocket along green handled knife. The Messenger opened a knife and began scraping. His gloved left thumb with edge of the blade. Sharpening it on the leather anyway. Yes Sir Students. That man was an act that has been Chirac an experiment. Take out a fresh sheet of notepaper this very instant and write down. Every fact about what just occurred every last detail no matter how seemingly insignificant. You have one minute who my dear listeners. These people are actors and this too has finisher odd. An experiment please. Now this very instant. Tell me what you just heard. Is it all you can remember all the details but these safe you left anything out? What University are we at in what year? What time of Day it. What part of the country was the Messenger from? What color was his knife down? Your pencils. Pass your papers to the front of the Rule California Marston identified. Exactly one hundred and forty seven facts that the students could have observed about the messenger the number and the color of the books the fact that he held them under one arm his left the color of the paper and the first envelope yellow and then professor. Marston collected his students responses and tallied the results out of one hundred and forty seven observable facts. The class on average noticed only thirty. Six and sentenced to of these facts were errors. I'm only cutting thirty. Four thirty four out of one hundred forty seven facts for testimonial accuracy rate of precisely twenty three percent. Not a single one of you notice the night. This is the last archive the show about how we know what we know how we used to know things and why it seems sometimes lately as if we don't know anything at all. I'm Jill Lepore the season we're trying to solve a crime who killed truth this episode. We're looking at a trial set in motion. By the experiment. Professor Marston conducted that night in one thousand nine hundred twenty two an experiment that involved a machine. I'd make a machine used probably heard about a lie detector. The lie detector. You probably know it from the movies that the machine itself. The polygraph machine was invented by someone else but the test. The blood pressure test that had been invented by William Moulton Marston. That professor who liked to experiment on his students. Most of us aren't very good at telling whether or not other people are lying Marston. Thought a machine could tell better. It is needle the even little line this needles making when you tell a lie your post and this needle shows it on the we take this sort of thing this sort of movie scene for granted there seems like it's all over the place every police procedural every episode of Law and order but when you're conducting a historical investigation you're supposed to pause and think about the things you take for granted. Think about them until you don't take them for granted anymore until they get weird the way if you think about a word like pumpernickel after a while it starts to sound really strange. Pumpernickel pumpernickel polygraph polygraph. And once things get strange. You can ask questions about them. 'cause you can see them more clearly you can ask. Why Trista blood pressure test more than your own judgment had used to be that only God could decide the truth of testimony for centuries murder trials involved the courts trying to get God to speak through the dead body if it bled. When you touched it you were guilty. Even after trial by jury replaced this sort of thing trial by ordeal this idea that the dead speak lingered in its way the lie detector is a kind of ordeal except it doesn't look for guilt in the blood of the corpse. It looks for guilt in the blood. The accused Marston described his method in his undergraduate thesis. The special problem suggested to me in the Harvard Psychological Laboratory was an investigation in the changes in blood pressure resulting from an effort. To hide the truth Marston kept refining his truth iskoe ball through graduate school and law school during the First World War when he did experiments on soldiers and prisoners of war he was seeking fame and fortune for sure but he also had a noble motive when police couldn't get criminals to confess. They pretty often beat them up. They gave them was called the third degree. Marston had the idea that if police had a lie detector they'd stop beating people up and nineteen twenty two at the same time. He was teaching at American University in Washington. Marston decided that the time had come for real world test. He wanted to prove that his method worked to do that. He wanted to get the results of a lie. Detector admitted as in a criminal trial he needed a client desperate enough to hand his fate over to untried experiment. Inspector CLIFFORD L Grad Record of an interrogation August Twenty Second Nineteen. Twenty one one thirty. Pm what is your name. James Fontell Fried James. Alfonso FRY would soon become the subject of another one of Professor Marston. Experiments fry was young and unmarried. He was lean and handsome with short hair and big ears. He'd fought in the war. He worked in a dentist office and he was broke as he later wrote house. A young man of penniless. The cortege will sign me. A lawyer. Police had charged James Alfonso fry with the murder of Dr Robert Wade Brown the president of the National Life Insurance Company and the richest black man in Washington. Here's what we know about the night. Dr Brown died was a Saturday in November. Nineteen Twenty Brown was hosting a party at his house celebrating his Alma maters football victory when someone knocked his door. Brownwood answer was shot dead on his very doorstep the murderer some people said escaped down an alley Brown's grieving family and his company together offered a thousand dollar reward but the investigation had come up short. Lo- lot of Brown's guests witnessed the murder or at least glimpse. The murderer hit. It all happened so suddenly that they could remember hardly any details months later. The police were still searching for Duck browns-killer when they arrested a young black man on an unrelated robbery charge was FRY. He and a cousin had robbed a guy have a wallet ring and Watch Petty Theft during his trial for robbery. One witness a man who worked at the same dentists offices for I told the police that FRY had confessed to him that he for I had killed Dr Robert Brown and it turned out that FRY Bennett Dr Brown House. On the night of the murder and that he had brought a gun and when the police question why he confessed to the murder the police had to get that confession on record so they brought him into an interrogation room where they questioned him all over again. They wouldn't have made an audio recording. This is nineteen twenty one a little too early for that but they made a transcript and here in the last archive. We've got a copy. You've told my colleague that you kill Dr Brown. Oh you willing to tell me about it. Yes Sir when I first went to. Dr Brown's I had a dollar and I asked him to give prescription because I had been told I had gonorrhea real bad. He didn't said he couldn't do anything for me. Dollar he said. Don't you son of a bitches come around here with only one dollar Fi? Said then he'd left and gone to try to raise money for the medicine by putting his pistol. A forty five automatic. No luck so. He said he went back to Brown's with his loaded gun tucked into the belt of his pants but when he got there he said Brown sent him away again told him if he didn't have the money to get lost and he struck me over the left. I did. He have any weapon in his hand. No Sir then I took the butt of the gun at him and that didn't do any good because he struck me again. Tried to run to the door and he grabbed me again and I told him to put his hands up and he kept wanting me hitting me on the head and in the struggle. I think my gun was fired. They're just there with that. Slight Costas Admission. I think my gun was fired. James frye confessed to killing Brown. The FRYE who didn't even have a dollar to pay for prescription couldn't afford a lawyer. Here's where Dr Marston comes. In in that course on the law of evidence to of his young students told him about the case and then they volunteered to take fries case for free defending him against the charge of murder. I they went to visit fry in prison the students professor Marston and his contraption a blood pressure cuff or big MO monitor Marston. Hooked FRY UP. Someone took a photograph. You can see things in a photograph that you can't see in a transcript in the photograph. Fry. A black man is surrounded by white men professor Marston and his law students all in dark suits as they strapped fry into Marsden's machine Marston. Grasps FRY's arm taking readings from his body fry later described the experience them. Several months had been confined in the D. C. Jail. My attorneys came to see me accompanying Professor Marston. This learn doctor was later known to me as the inventor of the lie detector. He asked if I would submit to the use of this instrument to such requests. I readily agreed. He asked me several questions. None pertaining to the case the suddenly he launched upon several questions going into every detail of the case at the metropolitan courthouse. One month later this graph was supposed to be the ace in the hole for fries. Defense and perhaps they would catapult Professor Marston defame as the greatest legal minds of his generation but the judge assigned to the case chief justice. Walter McCoy was famously. Stern and he was miffed. This was a big murder trial and a lot of. Dc's black community had come out for it and Marston had alerted the press about it so there were a lot of reporters there to judge. Mccoy was no fool. He saw early in the trial. The long game this professor Marston was playing Marston. Wanted to replace trial by jury with trial by lie detector or is the prosecution called the detective who had taken fries. Confessions Detective Clifford Grant. I interrogated James Frye on August. Twenty Second Nineteen Twenty one. Detective grant testified. That fry had confessed to him but then fries lawyer mattingly started bringing in his witnesses to the stand. James Frye could have a glass of water not a word. Confession was true. Frie- recanted Hanson. Stated that he hadn't killed Brown. Who's going to be hard to convince a jury of this but Marston offered to prove with his lie detector where the real truth lay was a slim hope for I knew fry later wrote that there had been no real chance for a black man in Washington. Nineteen twenty two to get a fair trial if I am neatly dressed in can explain myself. I'm considered being a smart Aleck and must be guilty by dressed in overalls unable to explain the situation. Then I'm considered a brute is still must be guilty in any ordinary trial. Train of witnesses would make their statements the guests at Brown's house. The police investigated the crime. The people who could give evidence in support of Fries Alibi and then the jury twelve white men would decide who to believe. Those men would find the facts of the case in issue a verdict but which words of fries were true confession he'd given to the police or the recanting he did right there on the stand fries. Lawyer gamely tried to follow the Marston. Defense plan if your order please. At this time I had intended to offer in evidence. The testimony of Dr William Marston as an expert in deception is testimony on what testimony has to the truth or falsity of certain statements of the defendant. If you're on her plea view object to it. I will sustain the objection. No other judge admitted the lie detector test as evidence and judge McCoy didn't want to be the first one to do it. He all but begged the prosecution to object to this evidence and when they didn't he began objecting himself but witness was here on the stand and it is for the jury to determine whether or not he was telling the truth. That is very true. Your honor but as expert testimony is not this proper as competent evidence to go before the jury to ascertain what Dr Marston opinion is. At this time oh well we get to be more or less experts ourselves and so do the jury upon the question of whether anybody is telling the truth or not. That is what the jury is four. That is what the jury is for headed taken centuries for ordinary people even if only still men white men to gain the right to serve as jurors of the guilt or innocence of their peers but in the early decades of the twentieth century a lot of scientists calling themselves experts thought they knew quite a bit more than jurors that they had tools methods even machines. That could find out the truth. Judge McCoy was smart enough to see the size of William Marston ambition and he was determined to foil it. When the next witness came to the stand mattingly again approached the bench. He had another proposition. I love this part. The jousting the dual but mattingly was wildly outmatched. If your offer pleas before this witness begins to testify. May I enquire whether your honor would permit systolic blood pressure test to be taken during an examination of the witness on the stand? If we're going to have the systolic test we will have to test every witness who testifies and the case if there is any science about it we might as well apply the science to every witness. Mind you I do not know anything about the test as all had certain pamphlets submitted to me yesterday to look out of some doctor Marston. Believe his thesis when he got his PhD degree. I'm going to read them when I come back from vacation. I see enough in them to know that so far. The science has not sufficiently developed detection of deception by blood pressure to make it a usable in a court of law. When did this developed to the perfection of telephone and telegraph and wireless and a few other things? We will consider it. I shall be dead by that time probably and it will bother some other judge not me judge. Mccoy with piece of work after that mattingly bumbled along for a little while before concluding and then the prosecution delivered. Its closing words. James fries the most colossal liar that ever appeared in court. I rest my case. The jury deliberated for less than an hour and found James. Frye guilty of second degree murder. Judge McCoy sentenced him to life in prison and FRY went by train to Leavenworth. He was supposed to spend the rest of his days in jail. I want to tell you about my sports where Brandon the whole world track Smith. And I'm not just saying that I'm actually wearing attract Smith Renewal long-sleeve shirt even as we speak. 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You know I take very seriously so while Japanese car company Lexus called pushed industries and said they wanted to make a podcast with us. And I said are you kidding me? Yes it's our first piece of branded content at Pushkin. A six part series called go and see is basically one long highly entertaining digression into the inner lives Japanese race car drivers engineers at leads and sound kicks so much fun. Hope you like it if you do. Go and subscribe to go and see wherever you get your podcasts. Back soon by Professor Marston was conducting an experiment. But it's not an accident that is test. Subject was a penniless. Black man accused of murder. Marston became a psychologist at a time when social scientists of every stripe were expected to try and solve what was called. The Negro problem with that problem was shifted all the time but never the commitment to the notion. That facts alone couldn't solve the Negro problem. Only numbers could social. Scientists counted everything they measured the SA- Conference of the skull the length of a life the density of a neighborhood the pressure of blood nearly a century after the FRY trial historian still spend a lot of time looking back at this moment the period from about eighteen ninety to nineteen thirty. Some of the best work in this field is done by a colleague of mine. Khalil Gibran Muhammed professor of history race and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. The first time I met him was at an academic conference with a one word title numbers. Were both really interested in numbers and why people count things. What kind of knowledge numbers add up to and what they subtract one of the most amazing things about the late nineteenth century looking at that kind of local and national data. His added looked today. Like an Excel spreadsheet printed out and folded many many times over a lot of Clem Hamas work focuses on how after the civil war after emancipation sociologists and government agencies collected statistics on black crime to argue. That black people were by their very nature. Criminal that they were genetically not fit for their freedom and so had to be watched and studied endlessly. You could almost think of it like a person who is in Rehab and you develop certain protocols To keep track of their progress Many meals. How many hours do they sleep? What are the signs of a healthy lifestyle? Whereas you wouldn't do this for normal person you wouldn't keep a ledger of such things and so was that to use this metaphor. It was that ledger. Keeping of African Americans that was a reflection of those same progressives thinking but people are not still fully ready for full participation. So we'll keep an eye on this crime thing. Well the truth is we live in the wake of all these ideas they're baked in to our consciousness already so we know what to make up we can either make of it that Like you have a crime problem Or The black people are subject to systematic racism in the system or we might say some mixture of Bom. These ideas we live in. That are already in our consciousness. A lot of them go back to him. In Frederick Hoffman. In eighteen ninety six he published a book called race traits and tendencies of the American. Negro often wanted to argue. That blacks were inferior up until then those arguments had been based on racial pseudoscience measuring skull sizes or some other physical. Differences Hoffman was pretty innovative and shifting that gays To Crime Statistics and from that point forward the framework that he used that the disproportion evidence of by people being in prison was was on its own with no further analysis. No FOOTNOTES NO ASTERIX. The best proof. The black people were inferior to people of European descent. police discrimination. Brutality didn't matter. None of that stuff mattered actors and the culture. Just six that up like a sponge young and still does Professor William Moulton Marston. He wanted to turn James for I into a set of numbers. The numbers on the graph paper from his lie detector test. Marston wanted to turn into a number not to prove that he was a criminal but to prove that he wasn't and maybe I should admit here. I don't know whether James Frye was guilty or not. He was at the scene of the crime yet emotive he had a weapon and he confessed so it looks pretty bad but then again. Marston had a lot on the line and he was pretty sure. That fry was innocent. I might not be sure whether fry was guilty or not. But I'm pretty sure Marston. Ever expected to get FRY ACQUITTED INSTEAD. He was hoping to take fries case. All the way to the Supreme Court to demonstrate the merit of his invention Marston dreamed of convincing the nation's highest court that his machine could tell better than any jury who was telling the truth. Men Come to judge this question by certain arbitrary standards in the course of their dealings with others. After I went to prison Marston helped to student lawyers file an appeal or to be honest. I'm pretty sure Marston. Disrupt the brief himself it asked. How does the court tell whether or not someone is lying? The decision may hinge upon the look in the is the expression on the face. The nervous condition of the witness the rosy flush which fuses his countenance or upon any one of many other evidences or may not be taken to indicate truth or deception. We say that there is no standard and no logical a reasonable basis for the determination of this question in general in the absence of positive evidence of deception and that if science has developed a method of accurately determining whether a man is in a mental condition or State of truth or deception. The court and jury should be given the benefit of this assistance but the state in its own brief said that the idea of trial by lie detector was ridiculous. Whatever may be fed against the system of trial by jury under the Constitution and laws a jury of twelve impartial manner peculiarly fitted to sift conflicting and contradictory testimony and arrive at a just verdict as for Marston whether he can or cannot detect. Deception is something that does not appear to be known to anyone except Dr Marston. At the end of Nineteen Twenty three the DC Circuit Court of Appeals issued its decision and fry versus the United States. The court ruled against FRY and also against Marston and his lie detector and the decision established a new rule of evidence. Something that came to be called the Frye test. It became the most cited precedent in the history of law and science. The frye test is a test of evidence. A rule that judge applies and deciding whether or not to admit the testimony of a supposed expert. It's only eighty one words long but I'm GonNa make you listen to all of them. Listen for what the rule says but listen to for what it doesn't say just way scientific principle or discovery crosses the line between the experimental and demonstrable stages is difficult to define somewhere in this twilight zone. The evidential force of the principal must be recognized and while the courts will go a long way in admitting expert testimony deduced from a well recognized scientific principle or discovery the thing from which the deduction is made must be sufficiently established to have gained general acceptance in the particular field in which it belongs all of the facts of fries case restrict out of the ruling. That's how the law works all that survives when court supply. The fried test are those eighty-one words. Everything else is raced including one very important circumstance. Something pretty widely known at the time but since then has been almost entirely forgotten. That fact is between fries trial and his appeal federal marshalls went to the Office of Professor William Moulton Marston. At American University and there. They arrested him for fraud. It turns out that the inventor of the lie detector test. He was a notorious liar. So did he ever give you guys a lie detector test or yes? We were experimental animals. Certainly that was like well. Shame really none of us had believed it. All and as far as settling disputes around the house was laughable. That's Burn Holloway Marston. The son of William Moulton Marston. He of lie detector. Fame burn is eighty eight a retired obstetrician. He's a sweetheart I I met him a few years back when I got fascinated by the crazy truly crazy story of his father. Burma's born in one thousand nine thirty one nine years after the fried trial little burn was beloved and like everything else in his father's life. He was an experiment a test case among other things for his father's lie detector test so was like who's still don sweater. Was it you Peter Uber? And let's give you a lie detector tests regular basis but it did happen. The fact that Marston was a father of four and used to use his lie detector test on his kids is a good story but there are other reasons. Spend a little bit of time with Marston. Private life I because it's completely saney and second because Marsden's public persona turns out to have been one big lie. Most in lie meter inventor arrested charged by Boston authorities with using the males to defraud William Marston. A professor at the American University was arrested yesterday out. A preliminary hearing he was held in a three thousand dollar bawled most in several months ago constructed a machine which he declared could detect lies. The judges against Marston actually had nothing to do with the lie detector. They had to do with a super sketchy business. Game of his. The charges were also eventually dropped. But all this was going on at the same time. Marcin was working rise. Appeal Marston lost. That appeal fry lost that appeal and Marston got fired from American University. But that wasn't the end of William Moulton Marston. He got another job teaching at Tufts where he began an affair with one of his undergraduates. A young feminist named Olive Byrne she came from radical family. Her mother and her aunt Margaret. Sanger head together opened the first birth control clinic in the United States. What became planned parenthood. My friend burned MARSTON. Olive Byrne was his mother. My mother was a saucy blue collar. Irish woody attractive Black Irish black here in Pale. Skin freckles. Blue Eyes Blue Eyes. And so that was the beginning of the Yes the montage artois Professor Marston had radical ideas about and about gender roles to he had four children by two women his wife Elizabeth Holloway and Burns mother all of burn burn zone names. Amash AP- Burn Holloway Marston. He's got the names of each of his three parents. The grownups does the threesome. Which as you might guess. Who is something of a family secret? Because at the time you could be blacklisted from academia from any job for homosexuality not to mention poly-amorous the Merson clan eventually moved to Rye New York to a big house place. They called Cherry Orchard Bruno. He says it was an incredibly fun way to grow up with so much love this. Kooky father. He didn't conform. You hear him coffee. At night she smoked the and he serb-run better in the reclining with whiskey. And he's a big guy he was he was. I think you probably about six feet over his weight very at one central time he got to three hundred and then he said that's great. I'm going to join the fat man's Club in New York which was actually the real thing. But he that was his life he was always creating. I guess as you know the variety things that he did and credibly self-help stuff for readers rooms off into things you know. He did them. Martius furiously. Curious always conducting experiments always looking for the next big thing but whenever anyone found out about his poly-amorous family arrangements they fired him. He lost his job at tops and then he lost a job at Columbia so then he went. We're all disgraced academics. Hope to go he went to Hollywood. He was an all the gossip columns New York. Evening Post Doctor Marston. WoN'T RIGHT THREE PHD L. After his name and another week because Hollywood is touchy about such things as going to be the psychological forty. Find All four coming motion pictures from one. Big Concern Can Los Angeles Martin. Went to work for Universal Studios has a consulting psychologist mainly on horror. Films what he do is he took up whole audiences to his lie detector. While they watch the Russia's then he'd advised the studio about whether the films were too racy or scary or not scary. Enough or not racy enough. He did other nutty experiments to Dr Marston and emotion. It's eighteen th of July Nineteen Thirty and Dr William Austin demonstrates complicated device whereby he claims he can determine and compute comparative emotions of Blondes Brunettes and redheads says Mazda. Ladies and gentlemen hold onto your hats here comes the real voice have William Marston. Big Moment an instrument which measures the subject's blood pressure Yom. This is the kind of graph drum which cards the breathing breathing is taken with the new McGrath around the subjects chest. We are now going to task the girls reactions to gambling. The announcer watches a needle. Etch marks into a rotating drum thing of jig graph kind of grab with indicator showing one girl's reaction to game of chats needless mood by subjects breathing. We see how retina reacts to gambling and she wins. Marsden's emotion finder indicates that redheads show most emotion when gambling? When I visited Bernez House. We watched the news. Reel together headed. Come out the year he was born watching obscene all this. Just it's like a quack show is a I've mental but like you can't believe was that just show was show. He had walked on the parapets of New York. City Twenty stories up and see which one would react the most s a little. It's not for his scientific. Yeah I have a theory. I think people who study lying tend to be Liars Compulsive Liars Marston. Definitely was what are the facts about razor blade quality? Bedford Hewlett wanted to know. And that's why Gillette Retain Dr William Moulton Marston eminent psychologist and originator of the famous detector to conduct scientific tests. That reveal the whole truth. Truckdrivers bank president men in every walk of life. These men shaved well. Every reaction is measured and recorded not knowing with late is which each subject shaved one half his face with Gillette laid the other with the blade of a competitive brand while the lie detector accurately charts the reactions in more than nine out of every ten cases shavers choose. Juliet says Dr Amar's then the results of my study. Make it possible for me to state flatly and my statements with positive pro. That Gillette blades are far superior in every respect to competitive blades. Tested Gillette Blades. Precision made the FBI apparently had by now. Had Enough of Dr William Moulton Marston and decided to investigate this. Gillette Scheme F. B. I. agents brought Marston to a police station in Detroit and told him to replicate his experiments while police officers looked on. He couldn't only five and ten men tested in the station. Preferred Gillette. Fbi Director J Edgar Hoover Road and note to himself in his Marston file. I always thought this fellow Marston was a phony in this proves it but if Marston was a compulsive liar so as Olive Byrne. She wrote articles for Women's magazine for years. And in those articles she'd quote the famed psychologist William Marston. His if he were a stranger when of course they lived together. She wants wrote an article about the Frie- case and in nineteen thirty six. When fry applied for a pardon he included her article with his application. I find this a little heartbreaking for I was thirty four then he'd been in prison since he was twenty two. I don't know if he killed Dr Robert Brown hitting this a real chance that he did but I do know for certain that he didn't get a fair trial. He filed petition after petition insisting on his innocence. I've been fortunate to have lawyers judges or intelligent people on the jury. I would never have been convicted. I'm anxious to have the case reopened. If possible in order that my name could be cleared. The courts denied his petition. Two years later in nineteen thirty eight Marston published. A book called the lie detector test and gave a copy to burn inscribing it for Burn Marston to help him always tell the truth with love from Daddy. The next year FRY was paroled. He'd served more than eighteen years in prison on his release still determined to prove his innocence. He renewed his petition for a pardon. Since my freedom from prison I have married and have a fine wife. He petitioned again and again even applying for presidential. Pardon I gotta wonder what a guilty man have kept on pressing. The case years after his release most people are under the impression that because a person has been indicted tried and sentenced. They are guilty. They do not stop to realize the fact that an all three conditions named above are human decisions and that no human decision is infallible. I am innocent of the charge against me. I have every reason to believe that the courts of the district of Columbia thought so after all this is Washington and the question of race plays an important part even in the Courts James. Frye died in nineteen fifty six. His name was never cleared. Instead it lived on as the name of test of evidence fries name also became a verb to be fried his to have your expert witnesses testimony deemed inadmissible. Morrison's name isn't a verb. You don't get Marston if you take a lie detector test instead. Marshon is hardly remembered for the lie detector test. He's remembered for a different invention of his cold onto your headphones. It's about to get weird in nineteen forty one Marston. His wife Elizabeth Holloway and his other wife all burn created the Comic Book Superhero Wonder Woman. The best known feminist icon of all time. She fights for women's rights. She's in fact based on Margaret Sanger founder of planned parenthood. I came across the evidence. This entire crazy story years ago in an archive and I had to write a book about it. S- called the secret history of wonder woman. It's a story about feminism. But it's also about evidence and truth. One woman fights for justice on her forearm. She wears to middle bracelets that can stop bullets. They look just like the ones Olive Byrne used to wear and of course she has her own lie detector. Marston wants wrote a wonderful story about the FRIE- trial. I am pretty sure. None of one. Woman's readers recognized illusion but in this particular story Marston imagines a courtroom scene which one woman tries to get a judge to accept as evidence the results of an interrogation she's conducted using her Golden Lasso. Of Truth I understand you. Examine this defendant with your remarkable Amazonean Lasso. Well it's highly irregular. I'd like to hear your finding show you judge Judy? Objection Sustained Okay. So then wonder woman. Lassos the defendant priscilla rich and drags her to the witness stand and gets her to confess the Yes yes she really is the super villain known as the Cheetah after which the odd grateful and besotted judge shakes wonder woman's hand. Your advice was invaluable. Wonder woman. I wish you'd give me further hill. Marston rewrote the story of the trial. The Way He'd wanted it to come out with himself as the hero and judge McCoy worshipping him but in nineteen forty four just when Marston finally realized this triumph with wonder woman. He got really sick. He had apparently was polio. And this coincided with the success of one he was finally making some GonNa pay him enough money to support all these people be successful in wash. You'd be successful and it was kind of tragic. Life can't because wonderman has endured outside of the last archive very little lasts. James Frye is all but forgotten except for his last name. A test of truth but injustice injustice endures. And if you WANNA fight it you don't need a lasso of truth or a lie detector but you do need knowledge and evidence. Even the kind of evidence will try to find in the next episode of the last archive the evidence of the invisible. The last archive is produced by Sophie. Crane mckibben and Ben Net of free. Our Editors Julia Barton and our executive producer. Is Me low bill? Jason Gabrielle has engineer fact checking by Amy Gains Original Music by Matthias Bossi and John Evans Still Wagons Symphony. Many of our sound effects are from heritage at junior and the sergeant. At Foundation are foolproof. Players Are Barlow Adamson Daniel. Berger Jones Jesse Hidden Johnson's becker a Louis and Maurice Manual parent. The last archive is brought to you by Pushkin Industries. Special thanks to Ryan mckittrick in the American repertory theater. Emily Shulman at Harvard Law School. Alex Allinson at the bridge. Sound stage. And it Pushkin Heather Fain Maya caney carly meekly Ori Emily Rustic Maggie Taylor and Jacob Weisberg a research assistants Michelle Kaoh Olivia Oldham Henrietta Riley. Oliver risk in cuts and Emily Specter particular. Thanks to the National Archives and the Sophia Smith Collection at Smith College. I'm Jill Lepore.

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1. Stephen Fry | Season 4

Homo Sapiens

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1. Stephen Fry | Season 4

"Hello everybody this is Chris Little bit housekeeping before we begin because of corona virus in lockdown. We wanted to just bring the release date of this series forward and so here. We are releasing as many episodes as possible as soon as possible. this episode you about was recorded just before we went into lockdown and because of current ivars instead of releasing two episodes a week one main episode one who mississippians extra where we read your emails we will be doing just one episode per week the main episode and then the following week will have a homo sapiens. Extra where because of lockdown will be catching up over skype to read your emails and we'll be dishing out t shirts just like normal but also hearing from you guys about how you coping lockdown. Hamilton's first and foremost is a community. And we want to hear from you about how you're getting on will also going to be doing. Instagram lives every Sunday sharing ideas recipes. What we're watching what we're listening to anything that feels like it helps with trying to keep us busy during this lockdown. Thank you so much for listening and I'll shut up now. Get an empty. The dishwasher actually and here is season for Mississippians. Oh goodness dear listeners. Hello and welcome to season. Four of Hummer Sapient. Normally you would expect to hear the dulcet tones of my compatriot William Robert Young. But since he's off being a Popstar. We are fever. Pitch excited to welcome to the HOMO sapiens family. None other than Alan Cumming is. It's good to be here excited to be. Your Co hosts Chris. We are absolutely thrilled to have you. Have you been taken through the induction process if you had a pamphlet or anything but a few nights eight with us? I think that has a story or three. What's quite funny actually? Is that week because you and I spoke. Do you remember saying do a series of the podcast together? We both said what will we do? Is Our team because we always love to do theme? Yes and we both had thing is. I'd be wanting to into these people. I connect with people I think. Are I connect? Yes and we said we do. Lgbt Cuban icon icon. Whatever YOU WANNA call it. Say That is the theme of this series. Yes some amazing people. We've sat down in various rooms and kitchens and things around the globe in London and New York. That's loan the globe and when we did a tour of the we've got Stephen Fry for I in two of the series which exciting really exciting darling man and was such a beautiful chat. Funny thing the other day about David Atom. Yes about saying that now wherever he goes as a standing ovation matter. Whatever you saying. Television standing in discos goes tests can stunning evasion. And I feel like Steve is always that kind of personal. Yeah Yeah Yeah I love it and we've got. We got coming up this series. Id Smith Oh my God bless say Hannah Gadsby. Let's say Cynthia Nixon let says in accent? Let's say Jason Sets of this Sisters yes let's say a toast of Broadway Jeremiah. Jeremy Harris Rachel slave play and daddy which I was justin. Vivian Bond Justin Bone. Who was one of my favorite fees? She's just a dull. I mean what an incredible person and hilarious and Murray Hill who any other New York Dina legend yet who listening Murray Hill is a drag king. Right correct Yep and has such a brilliant brilliant unique perspective on New York I kind of twenty years ago when it was sort of all just not just getting gang but it was an amazing time. All these people have google of them. Obviously you can also listen to the interviews but they are all I think. What's lovely series is? They are all icons in their own individual way. Absolutely yeah people who've done incredible things that Ultra people's lives and they're really positive way and continue to well just by being themselves. I think he was an icon. Is that you do that. You don't have to do you. Just being yourself you you you you change things. That is so true. The definition I agreed the definition of an icon is someone who's just done the right thing not really thought about it too much. Recording dressing room. I'm sitting on a small comfort. Have Appropriate. What did he say the other day about? Billy booties that really funny thing. I said the other day. The Tommy Hilfiger fashion show and I've known many centuries and when I was I was it was somebody else's photo and I was in your thing. He added it and I went to crop thoughtfulness head straighten pressure mark as that ship sailed why. I won't dwell on this long wise. The Cabinet so small because it's very short. I suppose it's just sort of Budget cuts darling subsidized. Not for profit. I can tell you by my wages. Do you have do you mind me. Took naps of Nazi Day. I come in for the Industry. Fifty minute nap ladder naps on it constantly. The fifty minute nap is so underrated by the way totally sorted via whatever I can have an APP during the bit dull. Now I'm doing some agony uncurling. Yes what we thought we do. This season is some agony uncle questions. We love our community of of listeners to each other and they often right in and ask US questions and they've made lots of mistakes in our lives and make a plan from the. It's the whole thing's been accustomed fucking. I'm hoping to impart some wisdom. Everybody's been writing in Yes listeners. Thank you so much writing in. We hope to be of some service with. I think we're both mature experienced men and life and love. I couldn't agree more so I'm going to call this person. Jay has risen to US and said sex with my older husband has become boring and I haven't got the heart to tell him is a female demille good point. Jay is a male. Jay says sex with his older husband is boating as boring as become boring and he hasn't got the heart to tell him but I think you've got to tell them Jay. And you've got to be frank about sex. And obviously if his booting he probably has notices well with this. Isn't it 'cause you said this thing to be which I love what you said? Don't be coy about what you want. Absolutely and I think it's so complex stuff because I think sometimes it can be attached to you feel like if you raise it and you can't solve it then. Your relationship is doomed and actually I think when I felt like that in my relationship plural a when you raise it actually you always end up becoming stronger. If you write for each other right totally. And also I think sex things ebbs and flows as the years go by so I have to say within a same sexually as Jason. It is much more likely that they can find other ways to pick things up e Rang. He got sex. Should be very franken and you should tell each other what you want and you should sex changes sex your desired on your Needs Change so I think it's time for jade have a frank discussion about what he actually wants. An if it's impenetrable but that's the wrong word but if isn't if that's not possible I I would suggest your needs met well. This isn't kindness. Yeah I think you need to have a conversation about it. And how does one ever have a conversation about something tricky? I think it won't be even broaching. The conversation I think can be tricky because everybody is wonderfully direct as you. Oh you're brilliant at but a lot of people and I think it's the case of you go to sit down and say look I want to talk to you about something and Oh maybe you can even want someone and say. Can we talk about something quite important tomorrow? You know what I mean so you know. I think that's a terrible idea. Terrible when you go. Let's talk about something really important in two thousand dollars time. The News coming up at eleven o'clock is the thing inside your fridge. Slowly killing you find out eleven and I think no. I think you shouldn't see that. I think you should say hey. Let's have a chat. I'm bored with our sex life. I'm a little bored we've lost luster. How do you feel this is what I have an awesome things have obviously but what you think you'd like to try? Yes maybe it's going to Together and toys are going online and things so maybe it's bringing someone in once in a while yet. There is all the different things available to us. It's all available okay. Good thank you going on holiday in having a romantic weekend away and banging each other's planes out all of these auctions okay. Well that's good Jay. We we've helped hope so let us know at least does not s says would you get back with an x when he treated you like? Shit but then apologize for it. I think it means. I think you need to know the degree of Shit. Don't you listen? I think that there are. It's a bit for me to strikes and you're out. I think someone can fuck up. If you're in a pattern of it is not going to change too and I. I also like me personally. I have a really low tolerance for that if people dick me around it's Bubbas I think yeah you go to assess whether it was you know it was a mistake or because people come up and we will God yes. Full made mistakes. I think I think the thing is that you know like everything in life. You need to know your your boundaries. And you didn't know what you how much you're prepared to countenance and unaccept- and allow and I think that I'm not quite sure what this is but I just think that's the most important thing like you know the key allies to join with everything the one thing. I think it's quite easy to forget particularly when your in the throes of romance is the person you're with needs to make feel good and yeah you can forget that and it Canoga you can get lost in the head drama of at all. Yeah it's not good for you but as someone who has suffered abuse on sort of in a relationship. I feel that very vigilant and be very wary. Because the first time something happens it's like wow. That was crazy. An image is. Oh Gosh that was terrible. We are thinking of united was drunk to know what came over me. I was jealous. If you don't like nip it in the bud then the second time happens and you'll love it then. The abuser is like what do you mean? I did that last week to mind if it goes longer than that. Then it's a pattern and you kind of have you've kind of a loaded as well. You've kind of validated. It by your silence so I think I think we're not quite clear what this is but apologizing for something isn't enough always because sometimes whatever the thing they're apologizing for can step over the line of decency and just your own personal gain. Has I think just be very strong and be very vigilant about what's going on am was that abuse physical or mental mental and very mental. Yeah which is weird. Yeah Yeah and and I think crazy really just out of control but of course when you're in love and you know on your life isn't but anyway under art nutty situations that you find yourself in And someone's new then. It's easy to let something. Go kind of thing. Oh well also maybe it's not the best situation have a major sit down and say that was weird. I feel like we've been told that we have not actually professionals than if you need some help you should seek some professional but you know we we. We aim to please. Yeah I mean. I think that's when I also dates hockey salon of frogs. I tell you I really have contains offers agony uncles action. Which I'm going to. I'm going to call it success. I thought it was great. Stephen Fry Legend living legends. Living just a gorgeous gorgeous mind darling man and I was thinking about him earlier and I was thinking how he was. He's been the first person to speak publicly about so many important things you do. You feel that mental health. He he was a full frontally and twitter. Twitter basically vote. We talked about in the interview. He kinda put rich on the map in Britain. At least he didn't he. Lgbt writing of this he's been at the forefront of an he's incredibly candid isn't he which I love about him? I mean he's I think that's why People Watch. These thorough is prepared to be vulnerable. Yeah and that's very endearing and it's very validating for everyone else you know when someone who's so so much going on his own suicide I for the person tends to yeah. I think he's just great. He's awesome interesting. There was a spell. When Stephen became the Queen Mother? He was sort of the late nights for him on BBC two or something and I thought it was. It was interesting that being coming back and forward to this country that I came back one time and he'd been a huge jump in the sort of Stephen Fry and I think I saw since he's Kinda step back from that he's kind of push that a little push the sort of that slush shaking her colour in case you think we're Milkman or something I think as interesting. He's even handled that well except that the address and then kind of gone. I'm not going to be in that position forever. Food Design Path. And it's also like forges on Jack's as well. We heard the credit cards. Would've won intro goodness and now a now Stephen. Fry FRY certainly. I always hated what was called the scene in when I ride. I ride in London. Is Bedtime pretty gay person to ride in nine hundred eighty one exactly the same time the HIV virus? Not that we knew those viruses involved in those early days and I remember hearing about Grid Related Immune deficiency and the bath house flew all kinds of other strange words and but anyway I hated from university. Go with my friend and lover indeed. At the time the investor we go to heaven into there's clubs and things and Rosser sweet gay Bar Chelsea Queens perfectly acquitted my little because Cosio people who sat in chatted but heaven. This there was a movie called nighthawks. Actually which is kind of about that but the look that you get nothing done sweeping is as you walk into a club and and my case. Look down the quick turn away undesirable. I'm so far from cute. It is possible to be not that I particularly wanted to but it was just I did my. I just did don's places I just like talking all this. I think that team that team of becoming sexually aware of sexually active in the time of AIDS. Something that's affected so many of us I mean I think it's really the debt is all around us and also like to get so many people just kind of go over the feelings of shame or lack of self face off. If I do this thing I realized I made peace with I'm GonNa get wh-when something when contracting and diseases is one hundred percent death sentence even if it's only a point one percent chance of getting it. The downside is so enormous that as a bad bureau poker players are not going to bet on that. Because the even though it's it's a low odds of getting it the odds of dying if you get it up. Yeah it was like a context thing of like I felt when I arrived on the scene. I would go to the shadow lounge. Bruce St go when I was nineteen with my friend. Andy but you arrive in that and you're supposed to know everything is supposed to do. You know you're like. I mustn't reveal the I. This is my first time. I didn't WANNA fuck. I'm supposed to do no one's told me even about gay sex. You know you've never even had an education so I feel like that creates quite funny weird atmosphere you put on a front needed to everybody's feeling it but known inside all shriveled sad and did did you have so you have a partner to at that time or did you ever have the ceremony from Cambridge and then we saw the drifted about because I just I became famous for doing it. But if people you need in through the early part of the one things they knew about me was that. I was a so-called celebrate with wasn't really true what it was but not in any dedicated since I Jonathan meades was right is a very fine right but at the time was an associated with the tap lines barrister admit anyway he called me up and said. I'm commission people to do a series of articles about things they don't do so Kevin Stump is doing something about how he never goes on holiday so and so he's writing about how he doesn't drive and is there anything you didn't do and I said no express will probably be I said. Oh why didn't really do six very much a tool right that so I root screed against sex. I remember doing this thing. About how strongly crude it was of nature or God and or God to to make the investigation and excitement in the human body sexually the same as those that the excreting areas like. Stop officer torturing British. Does your lunch. And throwing it into a cesspit. Everything is in these tufted areas. The phrase I used equals answer and indeed. I was so busy I was writing doing so much. I was so excited to be in. The world is in writing and performing and comedy in such things that that I never really stopped to to have a pop at all not ages names and it wasn't until I had the offered experience in the nineties in the mid ninety s called century now when I was in a play and I walked out and lawyer John and this is when I started my mind and what was going on with me and why it was going wrong. I was unhappy when I was at the top of my kind of game that I had set myself. I had I had achieved things. I never dreamed I WOULD MET PEOPLE DUMP. Everything should have been wonderful. Every light was green and yet I was in the state of terrible misery and distress and so and then it was almost exactly. The time is costing the film to play Oscar Wilde that that I met my first boyfriend really since since the one the one that Cambridge. Yeah and what do you make making a connection between that Victor enough that and I was unhappy about was right. No I really was. Do you think it went. Why do you think you let go so wrong? Alert was fear of you. Know I've heard on this podcast and things that the you know the question about what you know why. What is the homophobic people? Why do gay people self oppresses all these questions? We ask the the the thing I've thought for longtime is is that sex is funny and weird and frightening that's strange and delightful but it has nothing like the power and importance of love and love is much more frightening and I'm sure what homophobes really compares the. I did to love each other women and a lot of people straight people. I know who's marriages fall apart? As a sort of resentment they have to gay people because they followed the rules. They went down the path. You're supposed to go down. They housing of family and children and it was difficult and they have now gave friends who've been together for twice as long as their marriage lasted. And I think it's because you allow themselves love to realize that it's about love yes of course there's the dirtiest aspects of grind people having a good good evening or good weekend or a weekend in Boston. That makes your eyes. What a but but generally speaking there is also an acceptance most gay people that it's not just about sex and I. I remember saying this in when I was asked to talk bizarrely in parliament not if Commons obviously since Stevens Hall when there was a one of these equalising the age of consent debates every curry blessed. Who has actually committed a private member's bill was hanging away join said so a friend too. Yes but I one of the MP but what you do and about anal sex sex well. I'm the first to admit that ninety five at least percent of the population misty heterosexual which is a vast number of people. And if you talk. The wet anal into search waves comes up a long way before. Ayla boys of any kind of any kind you know. So if you're real objection is to sell to me as You keep. Pretending Deli. Mr Tend to the where it happens. Most we as you want scandals love that show in America or is it to be. Everybody was called Mr and Mrs here but they call it something else in America and there's a famous one of these short clips of funny moments television and it's like the ladies in Saint Little Cabinet with headphones on the minds answering the questions you know and it goes no maybe the other way around. And she's anxious and the answer goes. Where is the strangest place you've had sex? She goes up the ASS. Yes Yeah D- Who Radio Sailor and her father says dumber at Jackie's. He's a good lad. He's a good. He's a sailor and the Joneses are when you get one day. He's going to suggest doing it the other way or not in that time to Michael. So all I'm saying yes you can marry but if every she just doing it the other way you guys okay so married and it's all fine. And after the as she thinks Jackson just to do the other way and I promised dad. I'll tell him if he did but I never said anything about my suggesting. I'm really intrigued. So she says her husband check. What did we try the other way? What fill the house we do? You must be joking back. See what you're saying about people who are afraid of the idea of men loving each other because it reminded me of Gore Vidal because he had this sort of air being open about his sexuality and everything but he couldn't. I was with them when Tony. Unease saying I've never loved never loved and he's sitting next this man has been his power gorgeous darn thing. Wasn't it go? That was that self hatred and he kind of clouded. How could I possibly be homophobic? Ourself hazing when I'm always opening my eyes shocked. Everybody actually he could never say he loved on a mind. Yes he wants for. I think so side I wrote. I think actually I thought it was so sad. He basically lived his whole life pertaining. Couldn't love because he was too ashamed about that. You could love him even used to say things of course never an issue of AIDS because the the bachelor account get it on. The CATCHER BASEBALL TERM IS IDEA. And you know what we might call a top or bottom now. They're they're gonNA talk good. Never contracted you know and also. He was very very keen that everyone should know that he was a top that he would never like the weirdest kind of I think of. Lgbt people are not really that sex everybody not retorted sexist really messy dirty and smelly and you feel like you're not allowed to do it back to remember that. Yeah I think like most kids know like the whole thing about porn being with people learn by vide- video as well on online is that how young people land sex so that you get. I mean talks people who've had sex with young people and they're kind of like you think now you don't have to. You don't have to do that. We don't do spend the requisites six minutes of the Billy Joel exactly. I'm the noises and everything as well. That to me is so gwen. Anyone ever says Oh. Shut off because you'll suddenly become performance and the ad about two people connecting. And because you did a thing when you did that document you bout. Were you talking to people homophobic? He said it's brilliant thing that has stayed with me forever. Where someone's talking to you about sodomy. And he said can I just share with you? That load of gay people do not have full so I didn't know what the fuck you're talking about. I had never heard anyone say as you know. Not because it's back to the idea of like essentially become. You're supposed to know everything. There is no one pulls you aside and says by the way you have to have anal sex. Do you want to be a top? Were bottom or you think. Fuck better be a talks otherwise that means. I'm propagate Laura neither am I oughta Aurora. We did these those conversations with my with my friends being. I think w toll weird weird this. It's so interesting because I used to know this apparent and he said that talks get paid more and what had happened where you're as you kind of get more been around the block and you get then he gradually you know you get less money and then you become a bottom gradation. I mean unless you're a young perky for him and his things but I was having sex then I realized it was like I was. I was loving. It was more sexy idea of it than the actual thing air. This is not very nice and so that's why I think these young people are learning now more. It's certainly true when I was a boy. Simply seeing a naked male in a in a National Geographic magazine some anthropological. Something that the only chance from would ever have to see you naked. Well there was a magazine called health and efficiency to me that it was nature wrists. Who nudist and you could buy the knowledge magazine stalls. No go up and say well because you could see naked people not in any state excitement. My section with the littlewoods catalogue to do the male underwear bloom might dad ended up. He was a photographer and he ended up doing like underwear for less with cats. Look freemen's cats but he would do good lingerie and so he did of the men's stuff but which I would seek out in his study but he would do. The women stuff must be amazing taking pictures of naked women so coup speaking is so I went. Gdp going back to you loving this sort of journey through Uganda. Feeling self conscious about yourself in shooting there are places you could go to little paper. Just didn't feel comfortable environment where it was tough so buddy conscientious about body at about people getting people who came up and I was terrified. That scared me not had the audit encounter when I was young a teenager. And so the usual places and those carrying I thought I could be found out at any moment. But the wasn't was the internet or anything like that. But I because of my passion for reading and pumping I think growing up in the Norfolk countryside and my parents having a tiny television that was cut a corner really tend on abroad wedding. All the moon landing funeral churchill might be so his books books books books. And they're you know I discovered Oscar Wilde when I was pretty young and loved his language so much that I got a biography and then stunned to discover. Feel this chime in my head when I read about what happened to him that that's me so I started to discover this whole world of writers and artists who would being that way W.H. Auden we put so so. That's why grand called his company so I think it's it is or musicals. Another one so worried about all these writers including no there was no code story. I'm John Kenneth Moore not an act too much. Remember these days but stores at the British cinema in the forties fifties and sixties best thing. Douglas Bader. Perhaps and genevieve movies like that. He was in pipe smoking. Tweedy sort of Chap but when he was very active he was introduced to know who was the master the Iran British theatre and liked what he wants me. Isn't it subdued guest with the US? Nobody seems to code is all about one thing is that there was an actress. Went to nudge them and and she was so no of them. And at the end when you haven't committed a single time laundry and she has to Code. I thought you'd know him in all I am of you and it's such an honor to work with you and I just thought you would realize that anyone. My new body needs job. Isn't that good? I wanted to ask you. You mentioned university. Did you go to university with the intention to be a performer or just infinitely more sound encompassing Tequilla? Really I mean partly because it had such an active child. I've been in prison on probation by the time I arrived at university and I can tell the university then before they did ask that question Cambridge before we let you in prison on probation. I told them after my first year when my probation ended I said to one of my tutors I said I I tend to Holland and I said my my probation in new scholar on probation. I said No. I'm literally on probation. God very very honest but Because of that I came with a view to I thought had in my wild oats Churchill. Who said young men so the wild oats an old moon grow? Sage are tweet in a corner of the college somewhere and teach. Shakespeare was absolute passion. Really more from an academic point of view. I love reading writing about even people who adored in the sitters subject. Eighty twenty metrics. Because it's difficult sometimes but I found a way in or at least what I thought was a wonderful way. Writing checks enjoyed it and I read all the place. In red the mcgann wrote notes on them and was absolutely obsessed and It was really my second term Emma Thompson mentioned before but she She suggested I audition for something. A nice at open full of people who go beyond his professional artisans on those sort of people and so. I did and I enjoyed it so much. I was eight plays in that term. Yeah in visual terms. Lunchtime terms lunchtime. Plays evening late night place so you could do a week. I didn't do all that. Just rushing hustled Russell and such as the witness of Oxbridge that you don't really get tested properly so you don't have to get lectures. You don't have to do it. Doesn't we? Sort of do both reading English and he didn't Laurel Science or something sort of which involves learning and achievement of payment. But you're done would say something like we don't. You owe me an essay on Milton thinking well guess but I don't. I've I've been doing this play and I find that that's really you know I've been thinking of a war very well as long as think you're going to pass the exam that him believer at least that was the way then changing even as he's been as I was there because Thatcher power and there was this idea that education per se was not really interesting. You should all be about training and vocation if the state was going to pay people's education than they should pay them back by having useful jobs. That service the economy and just going back so when you were in your bad boy you still must have been what at school to get all your exam to well. I am thrown out a lot of schools and what happened was I mean? I tended in a very dramatic. Fashion is lying on the stone. Flags of the prison with the with the shadows of the baas thrust of thwart my back and sobbing shaking my face to the moonlight through the bars. And say I will recover from this. I will repent tonight will become but I did. I said I mean partly the experience of quite a few illiterate people in the prison. I was in a number studied taught them to read or help them with alphabet and things like that and I thought crazy. This is what I love. Most passionate is reading and writing and talking and thinking and so on and before. It's too late to do something about it so it so. I told myself up to a college and they didn't do the oxbridge entrance that you had to do in those days so I took up past papers from the library and taught myself how things went and got in and so it was because he did you. Exams are in prison. After I got out I was in Brazil for about three months. The paperwork for my crimes took over seven or eight different counties to be collected by the way you were you when you say bad because your word was like oh you off the rails or will young yes. It wasn't drugs. That wasn't really my generation sting much. There's there's a few few boys smoked pot got expelled from school but it was every kept maniac steal from shops. Just awful and I didn't pay attention. I had I shaw. I would've been diagnosed with attention deficit disorder hyperactivity disorders. If that had been a thing in those days we talked about in the seventies and oddly enough. My parents did send me to a psychiatrist. Typical of my awesome background this with deeply embarrassing to admit but he was a Tory. Mp lack for grant Harley Street doctor a and he still practiced. He's one of those with a with a with a mole. Blonde Panama the size of a trunk. Great some blue black ink surprising food when I did a documentary about about bipolar disorder. Belmont back to school and I spoke to my old house master and he had a copy of a letter written in which he had used the word bipolar which was very early. Use of it. It was just about perfect. Yes about me. It had a question Mark Questrom. Oh it was very interesting that he should have thought that setting manic hyperactivity job. I just couldn't I was very quick. I wouldn't say intelligent but I was shop. I could learn things without having to learn. I mean they just went in and I never forgot is bipolar the same as manic depression. Yes that's because it's interesting that he used that word so long ago when the the parlance would be much more money to indeed but I guess he was I mean he was you know professional cadre as as being used interesting in the well known. Dsm The diagnostic statistical manual. Which is an American book fascinating? So as you do a program a budget really it lists all the mental syndromes and disorders and illnesses that that you might have but it's updated every few years so right up through the sixty s homosexuality was still in the DSM and the days. It was important because it was considered the Bible Authority on mental illness in terms of things like insurance law. So someone said Oh i. Didn't I committed because I have this condition? The the district attorney American thing used in Britain as well would say no because in the DSM it says you are dead today and you do not and similarly an insurance company went out if they don't think at the moment there I think they're redrawing the idea of the spectrum which seems to such a useful ones in terms of the euro typical at one end highly autistic of the now though we think depend changing that and these things are being changed all the time and the nature bipolar one bipolar to which some people think is kind of what is what is the difference between the two well. It's confusing because you one more serious and yet to has aspects of the more serious as well and I was upgraded real and to be honest. I don't even remember the reason. I think it was because my hyperactivity just occasion I had a few episodes not that long ago where I genuinely thought nasty. You really are. This is kind of the kind of man people laugh at. I felt like Joan of ARC. I felt transcendent. I felt I could do anything and I was. I it was I remember. Came on me too. Weird thing and sometimes they. These states happen quickly came. It's such a bizarre actively occasion for it to happen. That Richard Bras Memorial into the front. I got this kind of event after at the criterion theatre does one below ground down to write down and I remember. Suddenly there was Frank Finlay. What's up Very Mago? What'S NOT NAGA? The bond played Mago good life became was talking and I was suddenly going. Oh Wow I can't sit gotten do something. I do cook so I made. I remember this enormous plate of food which was so it was the this was the kind of thing people instagram. Because it was like every little item of so perfectly placed symmetrical Buddhist prayer wheel awesome. He was extraordinarily rust. Rushing away from the table into strange thing and most people who live with someone by the disorder will say that contrary to what you might expect. It's much easier to handle. People are depressed and people who are manic. People people hyper practical hypoactive. Might be and I remember. I made the documentary that she made the final thing. But it was this couple and I was asking really exactly that because the white in this instance was the one who didn't have the the disorder and She described an occasion husband. Seventy went into their garage. She would produce in America and took apart their car. He put down a sheet huge sheet and took the engine of the car on a number. Did every little washer he put went round with a Sharpie amid little number going to clean it up and make it perfect enough withdrew at a social change face. Just totally right. I'll never be put together. And he laughed and she laughed but at the time. It must've horrifying magic. And so Richard. Briers Mojo that was that was on a on a manic what's GonNa Begin Food and then there's the crash comes inevitably that's right and sometimes there's mixed in between and sometimes you just plunge into into doctors. I thought it was really incredible. Documentary was when you and carry just wear and I thought it was incredible. Is that you. You wouldn't for a second not wished to have it. No I asked every single person I interviewed. I said there's a button there on the table I would say if you press lows will be taking a depressive episode again but nobody ever elevated state again. You'll be in a normal medium state. Would you press the button? One woman did say she would and she. I mean she had tried to get an electric drill into a brain. I mean she was so zillow perfect she was so unhappy and it was never seen and there was a man who really was interesting run. Harvey I get that wrong. But he'd been a commander in the Royal Navy and he what Britannia when the young Royal Family headed than seventy started having these episodes had to be retired from the navy and then he was section and he was in hospital in Plymouth. I think it was and at one point. He ran out into the road in front of Laureano kid be killed and it didn't work and his legs were smashed to pieces over the years. They were slowly put together with pins and screws end and he pulled up his trouser. Legs insured this wounds and scars and so on and he's apologized again to the Laura drive of having done that to him. How could these about what I want? Your what I want your viewers to is is different. The pain in my legs that lasted four years. The agony of them being broken Brooklyn Brooklyn was nothing compared to the pain made me run new to them. That's what you have done. Not just feeling bad times a bit pain inside real pain but it's not a pain that you can localized like a sharp headache or toothache or whatever it's and it's quite hunt people obviously comprehend where where you know or do you have to constantly get your meds. Jewish very moment I often. I think I always hesitates for minute. I'm not going to suggest any of this is a recipe for anybody else. Seems to work for me and if anyone else has a problem. They're welcome to try what I do but I make no guarantees. They should certainly see the doctor. You know they should see. Gp initiatives to try and push to see especially if they can give him the press state of the health services on bond diet exercise it sounds crazy critique the open. Ericsson poofy walks. I walk eight miles every morning. I been pretty central on and when I'm here in London my we're talking and I just feel so much better results than Jim Tweeden's. We didn't want to interrupt link between we are moving away from things are pretty basic human stuff like walking. You're supposed to all the you're supposed to see people face to face all the time the more we come away from that the more troubles were having with mental health things with that. Can I think so? I've always had a bitch hatred. The mind body. Shall We say Dancing Sport Scuba Unit? So I just. I'm on the mind in this thing that I have to carry around with me. The my is excrescences. I'll just quieten down by feeding it. Alcohol and food and so on but I found that it's possible to delight in movement in just moving just being around working through the air and so on it so that's nice simple. What did you do. How did you change your diet? Eating blessed I tried I have tried in my life was every that exists from the Atkins and Keita's dial two potato and cabbage soup does goodness knows what else does but in the end. It's just about the amount you see. Your hair is really really great right now I can. I can beat my Jimmy. I did think I've come up about this but about seven or eight years now. I do shampoo. I just just stood under shower. Water meet you go very short term? Yes and talk about what you people do. Use Shampoo and conditioner is the Strip with make ridiculously flyway Shampoo Crean's obsolete when you get nothing so nice nice just the kind of the tunes of the of the gray and skin similar thing. Actually this obsession with the microbiome gotten the floor and the gotten everything in the bio two. There's also the skin by as well and I've never been a great one for any kind of chemicals. Let me in my time. Yes but not. So you know skinned skin creams and grooming or even aftershave or perfume of any kind of everyone and I think it does make good but that publicity occasionally casteel soup. It's a much more natural simple so it doesn't bother quite as much and that's probably better suicide and everything but there's enough and as you can by Casteel stoops's body wash skirts stuff. Yeah Yoga Place do the interesting. Yeah I think a little a little fiery on the Pew can be downstairs. Billy depends though it depends on how it's pure it should be at all but it's it might be flavored. Plastic might be honest sometimes. It doesn't need to be anything espionage. I mean I'm not absolutely blueberry. So let me take out. Thank you Steve Edwards. An interview Allen. Wasn't that just art darning stunning? Those you darling. And don't you love the? He said he said afterwards how much he loves this focused. Yeah and he wasn't lying. Oh I think he was. Probably like yeah. Listen we want to hear your feedback listeners? On what you think of that interview. 'cause savings is nothing without our listeners. Right isn't that what you think of my baking duck enough that it'll encouragement? Lalla Rick my dot Gov what Kastri. How's it being your first episode? Pretty good yeah. Yeah think of enjoyed it. There is a feedback form which we give to Who all members of the team if you want to fill it out after its HR send it to HR HR department is me so he might be a little. That'll bias public going to complain about you. Got On the we continue on in the agony uncouth. Okay we've got a complaint from anonymous. We did any handed one fool and and people it look. It's lovely that you will rise in in between seasons so we love hearing from me but you was always writing and say where can we get t shirts and sweatshirts which Allen is now a proud I have one each has very late? I gave him one of each. You Watch out walking down the street wearing them. People will try and get that off your back and get them in the usual thing about this the usual way which is just ganizers. There will be more news. I'm a SAPIENS XTRA which we coming up in between this and the way. We're like teasing the t shirts with economically. Get them right now exactly I. Can't you say go to the INSTAGRAM patient link? And they'll be there but then I have to remember to the instagram. The Lincoln Instagram is is the on instagram pages at the website online. We having to get this together. You're going do you have on? We know what it says. Click on Lincoln Bio. You're you're you don't have the link of the website do well. Let's let me see. Well it'd be so good if I win I battle. I can tell you why. Because the link is to link link to listen to him say pins so we can't change that otherwise listlessness. Listen as opposed to listening monks. Important than though I see tiny C. C. Oh well never mind will one day. You'll be able to buy if you want to teach or sweater. That is news coming soon. 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Billion Dollar Business With Jonny Fry

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

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Billion Dollar Business With Jonny Fry

"Today's episode is proudly brought to you by try to cops the double bay dot com. Join up for the free biweekly video newsletter with myself my table, keep you up to date on the moves that are in this crypto market now if you want to learn how to make money within the market goes up or down go to try to call dot com. Now. Vitrey to call crypto show talking business influx. Jane? Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome. To try to cope crypt is shy. It's you heist Craig Cobb. And I have got an absolute veteran in many different forms of business. The gentleman that I speaking about as Johnny fry he he's the CEO at team blockchain, and we're going to cover a couple of different bits and pieces within what his doing within the spice the ecosystem what we see going forward. And how we actually look to really get some. What we're looking for. We were really looking for traction rut, joints, absolute pleasure. Having you on the show. I really appreciate you talk very much. Let let's kick it off from the very beginning at love to have the viewers and listeners understand a little bit more about your background. I've done a very poll presentation of your services to where we are right now if you could just talk to that a little bit to understand your pedigree. That'd be fantastic. Yes. Show cry. Well, I will I support a proper on. Unlike bound, something will pump down on the south coast of England is in you got a supposedly yet the guns. But that's that's always the completely different story going to edit that out we could also talk about the rugby and how great England banned from the Chaplin's. But we better at that is what we're going to edit that bit at turt-. I started business life in actually a setup a mutual fund company. Just frauds. Regulation in the UK's that was in the mid eighties. And I thought I've been Julie clever buying television with telling Tex. From London stock exchange was a fifteen minutes away as opposed to buying the oldest g which was twenty four hours light. So I could find out mcclain's dines did unite that the market's down sideways, and they were so the condom press, you seri- knew what I still about a nicer very very simple days eventually led to as having a range of funds in Luxembourg in the US Canada UK in islands at managing just over billion inflation the company on on the level of stock exchange. So most of my life is being around regulation and looking off to people's money and having run the business vote, maybe twenty s in Mali, so mid-forties. I just wanted a change when do some different. So I sold out of the business on the side of the business can change the states accountable progressive management's, currently manage just under eight billion this to the basis of the company is still which is. Which is really great. But he, but intensive my life. I got to go in a number of different businesses in the technology side. Trump decide judging consulting training and coming across this thing. Blockchain didn't Ray on someone earthlings about on unknown a techie, but I could see how Janci Jamie the way businesses operate so setup team blockchain three years ago, which in crypto land is any owned that as far as I'm concerned, you know, another next that I'm just learning everyday and find it fascinating what you can do with the technology blockchain. But also these things digital assets, which unbelievable cryptocurrencies will digital acids because we think what you're saying is the Lucien of effect new acid close, but it's not just about raising money. You can use them to get attention. You can get them to change their behavior. That is very very interesting economic theory. None. Economics which is used by lots of government sold over the road any students. It's to nudge, e to change your behavior look outside you'll frontal until or in your backyard, you'd probably find you don't have one Dustin. You have three full for different types of recycling. Alec with orgy of nudge chief to encourage over. Hey bureau dago day basis to recycle and in the same way. If I were to give you tokens to encourage you to keep using my senses. I likes shares as Facebook. Or if I was to give you a Mercedes tokens to encourage you to drive your com or fishing or is to follow the lead of JC Jolson, a huge American financial fuss week achieve accompany actually have a program Indonesia where they giving tokens to encourage kids thrashing pick up plastic. So they don't give them money because info she dad typically comes and whips of money often, then goes down electable hassle. Has has a few base as? Those in this country's with the unbagged. That's what happens. I get the cash in the hand, they go and do it and whatever's left. Even though is for food and education. So what these tokens do you can change it at a likable thrives retailer as the books, it's referred is. But claire. So you're cleaning up the environment. And you're helping the new generation, and it's it's you never gonna make money out of these tokens. They're not designed they are designed very much as a mechanism reward change behavior. So we see that being a huge market. I'm not really why we're invoked because we sipping really really interesting or relevant not just for small companies, but for global companies and for governments at look, Johnny. I don't want out you here bear with me. And they finished in the sense that you know, you you started your first asset management business, basically from garage abrasion rot heels, I didn't built that to a billion dollar organisations didn't proper money. Great. So I still still. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rod. The paper stuff. Will you still can't carry a Gill that probably? But my point is this, ladies and gentlemen, Johnny speaks very humbly. And he's a very honest man to to build a billion dollar business from your shed. So to speak. John doesn't aid money? I'm I'm not trying to say I'm not trying to say, it is go all this. But your emphasis coming back to the how can we help? That's what I'm really interested in because you talked about Indonesia, you intonations tried by their right next door was most strategies, and we haven't audience all over the world. I don't just take into a, but we go to Bali and we see the rubbish. We see the issue. We see the neglect. I fish on bond, I beach, and what I say when I go fish down at bundle betcha. Especially in some Malaysia picked up ten nappies, I filled by Thai Eski with rubbish about three kilos of plastic and rubbish. And it's not because the people that would they don't respect the environment is the culture that have not been introduced the understanding that we only get one. And when you drop this shit. It stays there and on really interested in understanding a little bit more about what you're doing in this space because honestly. You're not here for the money. So, ladies and gentlemen, you can listen to this. There is no product to pitch. There is no money to spend Janis hair to try and create something to improve the way we live. This was the real nemo to vision to try and create something more. And I think it's it's such a noble cause I'm not trying to blow wind backsaw because you are a scholar support on you are English and buzzer, those things of both obviously very terrible. But almost brings you back to an even playing field linoleum person. I'm really really a big fan of what you're doing. And how are you looking to I guess Bill out on that? Because you've already changed a law in what you're doing. You say years with the team now threes doesn't sound to you like a lot right? But in this space at is a world, we've gone through sixteen buddy cycles, almost what's the next step. What's your what what looks like success for you your team? But what's the outgo the in go? Well, I think one of the one of the things that sort of motivate sit intrigues is is if you look at the global remittance of cash in what I mean by that is how much money is sent back by the poorest members of our society security, the clean image that sent back to Philippines to India to China. Yep. Latin America will according to what Bank that figure a ninety two thousand seventeen figures it's open headed it was just I even six hundred fifty billion dollars US dollars. And then he looked at how much it costs to send that money back on cat saves. Some of the financial stations ruled familiar with mention any names that charging some Cain and sifting. So the very poorest people society, quite frankly. Growing them into the ground and taking Austin to the genus sixty to ninety billion dollars zoo. And when you point that Pete will that often the quite horrified, and they must be something we can do about it. And will it's on a different ways. You can move money around is different ways and the end of the day or would doing when we joke about a technology like blockchain is just simply to transfer if you like value. Yes. So you're removing just moving bites that information. From one person to know that menu. Can folks we take things may she? And cash it out an what's been holding? The ecosystem back is very very simple. You know, the mutual fund managers around the road, a managing something about eight hundred four trillion dollars. I'm sorry. I took US numbers, but that actual now respect to language, and if you look at eight hundred four trillion and at its peak cryptocurrencies, what eight hundred billion billion not even a rounding not even ramming but sold ship had to deal with rot. But if you not going to get the institutions in unless you have full things in place festival you need to be up getting sheri- to run your business GOP on John's. They never Bank accounts unique. Now have Bank is prepared drunk. She let me buy and sell and trae you then need to have a regulated exchange because most mutual funds are only allowed to buy assets listed on a recognized change. And then fourthly you need a custodian survive manage. Your money. I can't hold your money in needs to be held by third party to ensure that I won't go and save now in the last six months we've seen institutions so in the UK is a good example, we've seen the first clearing Bank in two hundred and fifty years action now offering Bank accounts to pick from the crypto sector, custodians, we've got people like fidelity and Goldman Sachs. Now, offering independent custodian says his office cracking that to it insurance. We've got a number of players in Chicago in the Lloyd's Lok offering insurance, we we've got a we've got a company here strides. I in a straight off Lloyd's insurance and crypto. So so you got shorts and now we are one hundred sixty eight Kroto exchanges, which is far too many. But you got ice you've got the London stock exchange. You got the Chicago stock exchange. Nasdaq you got your striking soaking change about seventy time lenders being granted. So you've now got being for structure, did it means the institution. Can stop coming in. And they sing the costume which the opportunities. So if you look at different till the time, they're still related using technology. You'll familiar Craig with balls, I ache company issues a bit of paper that says I oh you a million dollars. Yep. And I give you a million dollars. You give me some interest. I'm from is a million dollars is not bone. If it's is knowing you gotta raise a hundred two hundred million else. Yeah. And it's just not in the preserve of smooth medium sized companies. But by using blockchain technology. The dinghy they recommend cut a cost on nine zero ninety percents. So now means using the technology smelled sung to medium sized companies can now stop issuing debt raising money. Help finance grow the businesses, and we've already seen this visit Spanish Bank baby BA, there's a company here in London go Navarro who eventually just issuing bones on the blockchain, which is really interesting because it's opening up new ways of businesses to refinance. And then once they've bones issue. Why can't they billion exchange? Drive twenty five day seven days a week, log Noma bond except for five days away. Now like this one thing I'm really interested. Actually, it's not just one thing. There's a couple of things I mean, just to the I I know you've got really big. Emphasis on education. Look, let's be honest, Johnny, you know, as well as I do that without education. We got nothing to develop the spice now, obviously, I am in this podcast on. I'm like a bucket of this. This is Hulett Cassian. It's purely to help bring in understanding the paper and we've been reaching out to obviously the community is already in crypto. We've got an emphasis on providing quality content to help people that are not included undestand beyond the whole, oh, it's you know, video guy money and drug bunny a lot. So a crap. The we know it's not what sort of things are you was initiatives, you working with backing creating to hope to I suppose educate an ecosystem that is outside of the blockchain space right now. Okay. Well, I mean gems have created ecosystem we run something cool blockchain Dennis. So once a month, we get a sponsor, and we actually get twenty or thirty people sit down and just look at one of doing how the white. Every every other month eight nine times a year. We actually run we call it a an ice show me. Typically than London we get so between fifty and a hundred and fifty people together, we get people to come in actually exchange insurance or rain tree Mana. So and then finally produce uncle digital bites. So once a once a week, we do announce ten fifteen different companies all over the world. So be credit Japan. France, Germany, America, straightening, what's happening, the blockchain and the digital space Jonah make people aware because one thing we roof Rico passionate is done. Spend only time looking the technology. Yes. Does not have a mobile phone works. They don't serve as threatened com yet. They seem to obsess about hot hotline code will. It's Sean our transactions per second. H more about how does it commercially help you? Well, how can it help what we're trying to do? Yeah. There's a company the moment could Dovan DO v. And they have a token, and they really dumble Matt token to go up in price actual using the token with companies like BMW, light Reynaud like Mitsubushi. So actually, they come in and say, we want hundred thousand pounds with you'll tokens, and we're gonna use that to get information about how white people are using our calls. So he'd give me information, Craig I'll give you some type of tokens can be traded in for maybe discount off your service or may be into the ri- boutique or something like that. The semi listeners appropriate and said yet, John this very niche sold. Okay. So if you'd like to do the main bull directed salary full shell will work petrochemical company. The main bold will no longer max out on salary abedin's unless like improve they've reduced carbon footprint for that company. Today that the voted put in light saving bulbs return the heating down a little bit. And I would contend the way they're gonna do is going back to JC Johnson. They've got a nudge that consumers they're going to curves him to act in a little bit of a more response. And so by giving them each to be lucky animals, so giving them an incentive to actually use that petrochemical company, but use it in a more sponsor way than it becomes a win win for society. But also becomes a very interesting different asset class that other people could potentially trade if that's what they wanna do. But it's not just about one or other. So being environmentals tree hugging nuts. It's a foul being a bit more respectfully environment living and using the financial tools to encourage that sort of behaviour. And that's we've already addressed Ella. Johnny. You brought something up which was you'll would you toddle you'll send out now. Did you okay digital boards? Now. I know right now, and I'm going to hit that little donkey on the head with the toy. Paper they're gonna wind. I had to get that. How did I get that? Is that a retail thing? Can they get it for free like how how can how can I subscribes? How do I get that information? We we send it out really to trade bodies accountants list as they blindly it'll in a professional. It's refreshing thing. So they'll be able to go into your sights on the next couple of weeks. And you'll have your version what label because what we done is. We just don't get thousands of people come to us. So we did it for businesses to bail to help propagate and educate people noting. Jakonen way say this is interesting. Did you see this all you wear stocks? Get people to think I should contact. They contact your podcast will they contact their accountant loyal. Whoever is elected with more information. How could this actual mind business? So get your views listeners to look at your website evidence. Couple of weeks. We'll have some back issues later full of them. And they can see sort of stuff was getting fantastic. Ladies and gentlemen, you heard here. Get yourself a concentrated cub dot com full subscription, you'll find on the menu bar. We're gonna be getting some information for you guys on that which is going to be very very good because I want if I want, well, I'm gonna guess that you want. So we talked about or you talked about more side. This new market a katie's new asset class. Why am big subscribe to these theory? I've been in financial markets nowhere near as long as you. Yes. I'm bold. But you are gray. So you went out there. I k-, but look honest to God the whole mission tried to call the common what we do in. How we do. It is really that education as educating the masses we wanna bring in the traditional invest which on wall, comfortable, dealing with you, honestly, the bison my background. Of course, you are to join it you spent thirty five years you say in that industry. So this whole new asset class coming, and it's very fitting because all being speaking recently with a number of fund managers in product providers and asset cost managers and whatnot. And it's about providing liquidity to otherwise illegal asset. So if you pinions on that, and I know you're working something in that spice to do you want to touch on what you? You guys their team trying to doing within that illiquid market to provide more people with more choice with financial future. Yeah. So we we look at digital assets. We look them like a rapper. So when I sat records lucky mutual fund young fate humil- sort the financial said is check listeners. It's like a medium ten notes said something issued by bang on the returns of you'll mutual fund will medium tonight or you'll EGF. Some ruby familiar that link to may be bones all equities or inflation rates or commodities or foreign exchange, but it's just a tax Rapa typically. Yeah, renewal as records if you're lucky a trade jury market hours a mutual fund you by c- combined south wants today is a good example. Whereas the digital lasette can be traded twenty for as a day seven days a week. Any can be linked to anything anything that you can think. Oh, it could be linked to a funny thing who property so now I can work out. How long have you held that digital full and based on the trauma held it. I can pay you on the number of minutes that you've held since then saying we only pay the Coakley come on the end of the culture based on if your whole attic, it's on at the end of the Coulter. We look how many minutes during the goal. Did you hold it? And then we can pay you out that money. According now, somebody many thinking was so well, well, let's look at shares that you might hold in some of the Australian companies or someone like accurate in the US any gun compliance with the compliant section say, here's an asset. And I can give you the income based on the number of minutes. It's hell as opposed to some all the tree value based on the Ingram's crew of culture. The one of the so requisites of financial services protection is. Trenching your customers banning. Yep. Vague. It's the men of numbers in KOTA. I can very precise as the number of meats, so because of these because of things I can check with you before setting something can preorder SARS actually check to make sure haven't. So you an inappropriate vestment or if I'm running a fund I haven't exceeded that percentage invest into an asset class real country. Now, that's pretty with ROY thanking checks meaning that I can run my business much more efficiently cost efficient way. So we see the compliance department and governments actually bring in these digits vaguely for it. You know, look at the Iranian pay Mon coin which stands full covenant. Nick, just bring out a cryptocurrency for the government's all the Saudi Arabia renew ninety nine emerets who having a trip to currency because I believe it's gonna be cheaper for cross-border transacted bearing the very Ford thinking. In that in that in that part of the will. And then you had good old Facebook who everyone's head on some people love and some people hate then now coming out with face clue would you need to transfer money using Sam initially trial in India and then getting into the banking. Well, we got the likes of Goldman Sachs nap JP Morgan coming with around. Cryptocurrency only reason that during his second seem a first move to. Unlike didn't see how they make money out of the stable, but what I can say is than enabling to interact with the customers. And I'm Steve said for market it's going to be flawed can recall through two thousand seventeen and I was very new to cryptocurrency China and crypto assets. I think it's probably chew a nine to give it and people say, oh, what do you think that they think are that? Unlike we'll Goldman Sachs j Paola is. Commencing all bitcoins of fraud. And so bad. It's all about it's like, the only reason you take note of that is because he don't understand how they brains models work. The reason I was saying that is because they don't have a product the second. They literall- second. They can make money off of that asset cost. They will they'll tell you. It is the worst thing epic because they don't wanna hammered any clients to a new market the diner and have a foothold in the sec. Anew. Always rod before Senate because it's it's it's an understanding of how these major conglomerates work in investment banking. It's about making the shit hold of money right on if you might the shelter enough money. You also make yourself as shit ton of money at the same time. Now, if there is no product is shit hold of money. Well, then potential was case scenario is money floods away from you will fund into a new asset clause. So what are you gonna do? You're gonna say it's a fraud you gonna sites. Terrible. You guys just say your clientele don't go near this is the worst thing ever. And new Cape them, you retain them. And then you go just done some research. And now, we've got a product and that product can be an absolute pace of dog S H IT on the bottom of your shoe. But because they have the clientele because they have the market they can off the and they can cut out of that. And that is why leaded gentlemen, investment banking works. And it will continue to be that way until things change that one of the things that I wanted to touch them Johnny is that us was finis, and I've done my FSI regulation industries and Ozzy one full six by remember what it is in the guy. But I got right. And I can remember bring this back to to something did many many years ago. And some of the questions was what is more true? What is fair is like, hey on why content is basically putting lawyer speak in. You know, what is more fair? What is more true allows a gray area, which Liz and then going to get and fought, but you said more Fe now, you're saying the breaking up of a certain asset classes into more fragmented more inclusive mock places being something we'll Feb because not just run by the higher echelons. Now, I say this as an. Just such a viable pot and the eighties. When the talk about his property. If all wanna have access to blue ribbon properties across the globe. Let's have one hundred thousand dollars that I want to invest in blue ribbon. I'm once I believe in. I mean, you'll pay and task some Fifth Avenue token big apartments in Moscow in Paris, London. All your major blue ribbon, you know, cities that don't go down that much. They just they just I'll population growth suggests that dip, but that pretty safe. Now, the tycoon is Asian and the break-up, and it doesn't the whole thing. But a segment of the allows a new market come in that allows some of myself he doesn't have one hundred million dollars yet to go and buy all of the properties. It allows me to have the same level exposure to quality assets. Should oughta sawed educate myself on the ice. That is a big step forward. Not. This for the developers notice for the equity in stakeholders, but then these places, but also for the whole world, the mole people that are falling a price. What are the day supply and demand, right? Undoubtedly sort of its token is actional fractional ownership. Yes. In to be fair. We've had this around for a number of years now is already two huge extent really kicked off or g by the Dutch Franken's of the sixteenth century. So not noon in we doing stop companies in them back in nineteen nineteen fifties. When we so basically, you're financing the US railroads and people are raising money and giving the bits of hyper so they can actually done invest in railroad. Johnny illustrating governments is another big one for fractional share. This is the digital version of it and the less pulled if you look at the NBA in Australian news eighty in America, and what they did they did it sell the TV rights to TV station last year, they sold it to Facebook because the new generation of people coming through the shaving that what he own that mobile device. Allen ago. And when you when you make investments in the new generation coming through they not interesting gun on seeing fuddy-duddy stopped right girl, buying with someone that actually to do their own research, and they wanna be able to try when they wanna try how they won't try raw awfully well unveil to twenty four hours a day seven days a week because it didn't shift work looking long island's or whatever that reason in a lot of people setting the west struggle with digitisation digital currency digital because we used to feeling something very tangible with with a hands. But if you look in Japan, it's still the fed bigs academy in the world and something around twenty seven twenty eight percents is eighteen set euros have a digital relationship. They have a mean the have a concave character today taking making shipments. So definitely to have a digital girlfriend. It's very easy jump say. Oh, yeah. We'll have digital cash persuade ninety percent of old transactions. Now, a cash less look at charter jet. Wims awesome. You went to an ATM get cash, you didn't know digital. That's one of the things that destroy has been later in is we're not not late intimidate, certainly not climate change. But this little fail. I'll give you that saw that that thing. Right. They got this little little chip in saw of it. Right. So that you can say the chip lead. John you'll note that is that allows me to gone just empire things that we have been starting to really good test market for a lot of big businesses test because we're westernize should we think? Sign wise big markets. Right. So I can spend less than tests in Estrada, we are a very much food thinking in cashless society, but not in a way that way in the digital legend Israel currency spice. Consider it is because I don't carry cash everywhere. I gave my cafe a little thing that says over a small business phase, blah, blah, blah. Appreciate you pay cash. I'd love to pay cash. Don't even know what the frigging nights, Luke like, and we we don't need money anymore. We just don't need it. Apple pie this shit on lock the banks in strategy. And I'm not talking about the rest of the world saying for Stryer are literally almost I go to Bank Cottam. I I never need to have a dull know, he needs money. He needs. The balance universities, you money ninety percent of all US dollar. Denominated notes have traced to cocaine and gang. Thank you wanna make a lot of money around you seek case it catch. You do not use a digital assets can laser fruits. Efforts. Yeah. It leaves the digital footprint forever on the blockchain lusty you want to do a whole lot of money around the league upper here. I am. Yeah. And that's why the banks have been consistently done for hundred billion dollars worth of fines in the last ten years. It was about your space saying assistance room. It's very banks. That are worried about these new digital thing because they haven't to recently engaged. But now, you're saying the last six months more bang older owners getting vote in space and building the infrastructure that we need to get ruled critical adoption, but at the moment, the whole user experience, just horrid tribal private words. Number twenty four different words. You gotta remember it. Yes. Hollering coke bullets. We all getting there was saying Samsung last week known Che China Nagel anglophone Finney blockchain phone where you got your friend like that. And then suddenly the code will Koebnick Apopka, and then it's hot wallets. And then it's potable Tony little things on. With getting we are working towards that outcome. Yeah. And that's what I mean by making it, Sarah because it enables smaller investors to actually get involved in investments look vest on CO in in Europe for pony quasi company was coming Neka, and they raise as is a gaming company. I must be honest. It's unfortunate Niagara Monday. My my grandmother nagging nagging nagging. But what actually did it was rice bowl full t million dollars from fifty thousand investors here the made lots and lots of snow individuals. You know, we still this week a non inhering tiny rich university in the guy accompany could fetch dot on which in notes as using blow ten in offficial intelligence, and they she said the maximum you can buy is three thousand dollars the minimum is twenty dollars. Amanda rising six million from two thousand seven hundred eighty investors average at seventeen hundred dollars per person. Now, you compare that to the normal situation. You donate yet where the investment banks come in. And I said we'll underwrite over Fe. Yeah. So if other people bought we still get paid a minimal sell actual clients. A number seven the clients get it in a pound. The chef imprint twenty on. It's just the. Additive, you know, the funds they are super super high net worth investors, and there's no democratization. There's no real liquidated the rich get richer. Yep. Now, look, Johnny. It's been onslaught pledge. I literally speak to you, buddy. Not. It's it's getting your in your sad. And that's why I cry. My company that's nothing better to do. My God damn live and the garden and look at the results Portsmouth chromosomes to sleep like tomorrow. Another sixteen hour died Janis absolute pledge Hewlett might. I really do on his to God your insights. They really they really well taken on a certainly pray shouted what you've had decided I will say one thing to will the views and listen as at the Ana get Johnny back because this man has more to give and I wanna get out of him. I respect you. Listen, I respect you to that. You know, it was point. We can't take much more on Johnny a really appreciate your time. Give me one thing where can people find out more about you? And what you're doing? There's a really good. We got really good advent and local land summers catalogue, you can probably find the summer day. Just look Catholic. Okay. For those of you who don't know. What ends summers is. I'm not gonna tell you. But you can work. Great underway. Get out of it. They guy says it will Valentine's is already dominating joy, regardless. Ladies and gentlemen. Look. Thank you. Donnie, fry C O at team blockchain. Thank you. So much time. My good, sir. L speech again, very same. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you time off now thinking. The traded cub crypto podcast is hosted by Craig called to courses products and tools can be found at Tradenkov dot com. Because experience met is.

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Introducing: 'Criminalia'

Stuff Mom Never Told You

02:01 min | 5 months ago

Introducing: 'Criminalia'

"Welcome to the criminally podcast. I'm Holly Fry and Maria Marquis together. We're exploring the margins of history and specifically at the intersection of history and true crime. Our first season of the show is all about lady poisoners history has not been kind to ladies. Women have been marginalized. They've been vilified their falsely accused and often just plain misunderstood time and time again. But sometimes women take power for themselves and they make their voices heard and sometimes they do it through murder. Supporters often been called a woman's weapon and that's despite the fact that roughly two-thirds of the poisonings committed throughout history have been the work of men. So Maria and I wanted to get our hands dirty and digging and start looking at these women accused of using poison for nefarious means and try to figure out their motivations and see what patterns develop. So we're going to cover everything from Caligula. Sister Pena wish she a killer or was she just ambitious enough to seem automatically suspicious to a law made in nineteenth century England making it illegal for women to buy arsenic was just rat poison. Even though it was meant do week most of the killings through poison at that time to nineteen twenties. Chicago case where Tilly Click was given a much harsher sentence than prettier women with similar rap sheets. So the takeaway is if you're gonNA, commit crime be cute about it. Yes. Some of these women absolutely were guilty but some of them were probably labeled as criminals when that was not the case and all of them were viewed through societies lenses sitting at this often sensationalized intersection of being both killers and the fairer sex how many were truly villains and how many were just misunderstood. Join US on criminal yet as we untangle their stories on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever it is you listen.

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The French Fry Rebuttle with Farley Elliott

I Burn Everything

1:23:10 hr | 1 year ago

The French Fry Rebuttle with Farley Elliott

"Hey guys I'm Steven Nelson and I'm David with you are listening to. I burn everything a food and relationship podcast and we have another wonderful food. centric episode for you today today with a returning guest. He is the senior editor at eater. La He is a food writer. Food lover appreciate it. Very Funny Guy. one one of our favorite guests to have its Farley Elliott. Aw Bird mm Farley Dave right before this. I made you both ingest. My apple cake that I make. That's that's my grandmother's recipe. That's been passed down from my mom to me. What are yours is reports of it right off the bat just want to say so? What if it was bad honestly with my likelihood it very well could be? I took a serum. Today I'm unable to lie. Hooked up to a polygraph right now. We might have to change the name of our show. I make everything. Well no no. Yeah I haven't heard anything years true Baker so delicious delicious. Yeah later than normal normal coffee cake although the topping was perfect and reminiscent of some of the best coffee cakes have had without being overpowering a little chrome on top. That's all I need is a little. You wanted the crown. No no no. That's my point is just the top work. It's that little bit of like Glaspie Stat. It's not it's still soft cooked perfectly in the middle well good layering. This is great for myself esteem rate with a cup of coffee. So I'll send you guys home with some great if you WANNA. I don't WanNa keep forcing it on. I was definitely a force but I'm happier. It would make for better radio if you handed us like a pilot garbage. Next time I will like back in. It was burned the nasty flaming hot cheetos on a plate. And I'll be like good luck. Everyone I made something I should I next time I bake something bringing in because I've been experimenting lately. The most recent thing I made was in this is it's going to sound crazy and it's a little bit less crazy because I don't think any of the platelets over Harry right but I got it. Got It in my head that I wanted to make banana bread instead of chocolate chips. It was Oreo. Wow and I was like what if also there there was a bar in it. Wow So let me just say to. You made a candy packed. Banana bread. No I didn't pack doc it with anything. Because I pulverize scrape middle out of Orioles and record more souls and put it in a food processor and certain folded in and then sprinkled angled on top two and I got some bad news for people who like the. We don't know how to do anything. It was delicious. Did you do this. For an episode of Net flicks is. The chef's table sounds incredible. No I didn't but Eight valid a way too fast to have anybody photograph at the next season of Auburn. Everything thing is going to be David. I on reality. Food shows Actually around I love that. Just full. Slow Mo shots if you scraping the inside on Oreo. It's a beat down my face. I'm not actually helping. I'm just panic. You're just in the audience supporting getting so nervous Farley. Thank you for being back. Yeah of course we are is your first guest to come back now. Know your second second. Probably your second guess to come back so I don't know if we're Katie. Stole came back as a CO host. That doesn't Count Katie. Stole doesn't count if you're listening Katie. Okay Allocate Look I love Katie. We haven't interviewed her twice. We've now officially interviewed. You twice. Interviewed him yet. He could storm questions. Russian's love my way when I walked in. Oh yeah tons. Everyone was okay so the reason we had you back is because we had the entire road with Ashley Hairston about French fries. Yes and you wrote to us that you love the episode and and you completely and totally disagree with the French fry ratings. I I'm paraphrasing. Because that's my favorite a man with a darker note. I thought that the episode was lovely. And I'm so pro. Anybody who wants to a French fry bar at their wedding. I think that's thinking outside the box that we can really use in the wedding industry. Keep costs low. Keep everybody happy but I will say that like God. God bless anybody. But who thinks that. Like Jay's bar has the best bar fries in the city like makes me sad I just go there so many better fries out there. I want Ashley or anyone else do have the sort of experience that I know is possible in Los Angeles. Here's a little inside baseball. Okay now I was with you on New Year's Eve and at a certain point so it was Ashley that's true. There was no confrontation. There could have been. Where were you? Were you just boiling. Well I had not listened to episode high. Oh yeah and I also wasn't out yet okay. Sorry mistake like most well so my first time meeting her. Oh I'm filleted on first meeting second time is wearing a confrontation. Okay that's good. That's a good. Yeah she probably would have cried if you actually did that. I'm glad that the timing of it worked out so perfectly to where the rebuttal could actually be here. Yeah let's make it public. You know she'll come back on. It'll be great perfect. I will say yes I do. You know as a as it. Just normal human and who doesn't have too much experience with restaurants and stuff like that I will say it is really. I read most of your articles because I don't really know what to eat or where to go and it will be so nice to actually hear what the good fries are because I know that they're good fries in La. I know there have to be but honestly lately haven't had any well. I'm here to help Tom. Let me I will lay. Some general ground was in. Your vein is to say that you read read the site. I think that the city is so massive like you are not wrong and not knowing where to go a lot of time and it's also really important to take a big step back and think about how this city really operates were. It's something I try to think about all the time. We're at a twenty two percent white city. You know statistically speaking any perspective that I have on Los Angeles is wrong so like the folks that I know who. Don't ever go to the Sankara Valli or feel like they want to go more or never go to the San Fernando Valley or folks who never go downtown or the Venice like you are all right and doing Los Angeles in your own way. You shouldn't feel bad guy. Yeah okay The second thing I will say is for the best version of a thing is in Los Angeles usually shorthand for. You're going to drive like fifteen minutes further than you want to which is like a deterrent for some people and I get that too especially if you're really hungry it really hit speak about this a little bit on her Brennan Smith episode as far as Driving is concerned where you know you're going to end up spending roughly the same amount of time driving to my example was the in and out in Hollywood and then waiting in that line in the middle of trafficker in like three PM versus versus. Oh maybe I'll go to boyle heights for maybe we'll go downtown or maybe. I'll go to Koreatown or something yes a one hundred percent and also why not have the best version I bet. Yeah once in a while. Too right like Ways Yeah sometimes my friends ask me for recommendations and I've given up on a certain type of friend and telling them what I actually think is the best of something and I dish usually give them like the good in their neighborhood and that totally works for them but other people I know really do WanNa try best version of a thing and for those people like awesome. Yeah I'm I'm willing to help them out as much as possible or at least as much as my experience extends you know yes. Have you guys been to Howland. Raise even know what word you're saying as I have never been there as I wanna hear you spell it for me. I'm having Colon H. W. L. A. N. posture fee raise our ally Apostrophe S.. Where's this well trying to town? Okay in a little plaza close to Gosh Bangel. Every where they have the Chinatown night celebration. It's the whole place is been taken over but there's a bunch of newer kind of not pop-ups but new you kind of of new kid on the block sexy young thing ask like Oh this is a buzzy new place. There's a couple of places like that in this Little Plaza and Helen raises as is one of them. And it's what kind of food extremely extremely spicy Louisiana style hot chicken or no Nashville logic. And I love everything. Yeah you're nailing it okay so I worked on the TV show In the writer's room. Oh boy at this point to the two thousand eighteen Komo studios and eighteen hours a job and you know you get food brought in and one day. It was a big special day and we sent our poor suffering but wonderful wonderful writers. Pa Who I heard that it promoted writer's assistant so congratulations since Jeremy but we still years away from getting paid what we say we we. My boss sent Jeremy to Helen raise which is an extremely popular spot to pick up all manner probably a couple hundred dollars worth of early one hundred fifty dollars worth of hot chicken sandwiches tenders. I believe maybe there was fries. A couple of sides They all come with a couple of pickle slices piece of standard whitebread leave. It's white bread country. You're absolutely right. There must be fries involved because why else would be talking about this. There definitely are fries and bought however I can't be helpful enough because I can't be too helpful because we did not receive the funds. But the the thing you get there is a hot chicken sandwich and there's different levels of heat and there's several videos that were posted to instagram. And they're still floating around my phone. I think of different members of the staff shivering under blankets. Because we were like they ingesting all this heat was like ruining our bodies what it's chicken in the real sense of hot. Burn your mouth off. Oh whoa five. Ten twenty alarm mobile level off the chart. Do you know about like hot chicken as a phenomenon at all nope okay. So this this version of its nose upset the cystic speaking. You're right you know what I mean. Nobody nobody has any expectation of what we should. But I'll tell you this. I am so interested in all of this this that I'm stoked in a way that shouldn't be normal. Well this is perfect for the podcast. The origin story of Nashville style hot chicken with Prince Family called prints out of Nashville and as Legend has it the original founder Mr Prince he was a bit of a philanderer under and his wife used to when he would come home drunk and hung over having slept with another woman in the morning make him food and one day she was fed up with him and he demanded. Did they make her hot chicken that she made him hot chicken and she said I'm going to put as much spice in this as I can to like ruined this guy's Day and she has a way of getting back to him. Made this Nashville. Israel's style hot chicken but instead of being agreed burdened with like health effects. He loved it and they decided to make a business out of it. So now is such. That's a good story. So her revenge became the. The restaurant became prophet. Yes exactly wow what can I do. With investor. Vengeance to pocket after prince is like a worldwide phenomenon in Nashville and All these other places that are like doing Omayad to Nashville style hot chicken okay And it's not just about putting like spicy stuff in the batter. A lot of it is that but then and also finishing in almost like a Chinese chillier oil where the oil itself has been spiced. ooh to Dave's point there's different levels you can get like country which is zero at Holland and then there's always always all the way up to like Howlin plus the hottest possible is it typically deep fried chicken yes. It's all fried chicken okay okay. I was picturing it wrong. So there's like different different like flour and battery mixtures different levels of spice. And then they have like a big oil dredge and then they'll put it through a slightly spicy oil and then they'll also finish it with like more Chili's or like flowers and spices on tolerance so it's very delicious but crazy Haden's by Sunday incredible so the point making about all of this is like how than raises kind of a great great example of the French fries. Their wrinkle cut fries and they do this slightly minute pigeon over backwards and they do a southern style what they call a shake so it took a slightly spicy mix of like herbs and seasonings that they like shake shake up in a bag to put the fries dredge the frozen and it is like delicious by itself one of the greater examples of crinkle. Cut Fries. I think you'll find anywhere in Los Angeles. Yes and then has the real kicker hold on the end of the table. The the there is an entire menu. A secret at Jalan rays of things that you have to know uh-huh to ask for and one of the things that you can ask for. Is Mario Style fries where they will cut up chicken hot chicken it to your spice preference. Put It on top of the French French fries with cheese and some of the comeback sauce spicy early. And then you just like the whole thing out of the box. It is a top-five food in Los Angeles It's a hot chicken version of frito Pie. Yeah sort of. Yeah but with French fries instead of Fritos but yes wait. I love that his Mario Somebody that works a lot of the dishes that are off. Menu are in homage to guys who worked the line there. Oh that's great. That's incredibly the second. I was trying to figure out the Super Mario Religion. No no we g style fries. No no no but I mean little little bit of a tangent but maybe you can speak to a little a little bit because the hot chicken thing has exploded to the point where. KFC Has Louisiana style. Hot Chick. I've never had it. But they they were making a big deal about how they were. They were putting their hat in the ring to that point. There's a bunch of different hot chicken places that have sprung up like in the past couple years like crazy in the wake of Jalan raise exploding for example. There's a place called angry birds. There's a place called Davis. Hot Chicken Davis on chicken started in just like a parking lot right. Yes and now they have multiple double storefronts. Yes exactly and this is a little bit of a dive into Los Angeles history food pop up culture which is like the biggest and most pervasive part of dining in la La. We Fifty Thousand Street food vendors in Los Angeles County. That's everybody people doing. Why chicken tacos to fruit carts or whatever this is also your specialty? Yes I wrote a book in Two Thousand Fifteen. That's all about the history serve street food in Los Angeles. It's certainly my preferred style dining in la. And I think it's what makes this city more unique than any other dining city in America. So Dave's was. There's a couple of guys who used to go to how Andrey's and really liked it and then thought well we can kind of do our own version Put together a couple of hundred bucks started as a pop up in a parking lot and then that because the story he works like they were doing chicken tenders and curly fries at the time and it was interesting to see it. Make it onto the street. They're young pretty hip Armenian guys they just sort of exploded within the Armenian Manian food community and so now there are dozens and dozens of hot chicken places. Like in the Valley in Glendale wherever. They're all doing like sort of knockoff. Versions of Dave's which is itself like originating from Howlin raise interest on that level. How it's crazy? That is so crazy. Dave's now has a franchise agreement. They're we're going to probably have I would venture to say eighty locations in the next five years. WHOA signed a franchise deal with the people who like Wetzel? Pretzels became literal millionaires. William Ayers overnight the sleep it only has the allies as the one yeah but these off-shoot or copying of raise. They're now millionaires. Their business models are different to John from Holland raise wants to make the best singular product and service experience possible. The guys Dave's wanted wanted to do a pretty good job and make a bunch of money and they did a great job. Yeah they're going to be in malls across America literally but the thing about how raise is is that it's like it's become you know it's the actual quality version of charcoal black ice cream with the black ice cream cone. People want to sign up and lineup and take pictures assures like Helen Raises. There is a line when you go all day day and night. It's it's kind of unprecedented and I understand why they're not opening another location. I think as long as it'll go like Diko Korea in which is my favorite place in La. They have a couple more locations but the little Tokyo location constantly. There's people out in front of Twenty people in his eventually going to open another location in Pasadena but they maybe like two three weeks ago. Partnered up with post malone for like a branded ghost malone like post howling ghost ghost pepper sandwich thing through the post mates postal own post meets. No no it was just a three tiered collaboration of how than raise post Malone and post mate's coming together as I'm sure a bunch of money the inception of chicken. Yes like post. It's to be a part of this team posted on there. We need a the Carl Malone the postman everybody The point is working in an offsite kitchen. Just trying to orders that you could get delivered on post meets and they literally broke. Post meets within five minutes. Post mates was dead. They were getting five hundred dollars a minute and they had to stop servicing people. Because is the APP wooden function. Crazy crazy crazy. That's that's up there. That's so cool. And this is all like a shaggy dog tale way way of saying like I encourage our listeners. Enjoy what you're hearing. Listen to Farley's previous episode which I believe was back in two thousand sixteen or even possibly twenty fifteen but the landscape has I mean. Helen raise wasn't even around for years. No one of the biggest restaurants in Los Angeles. So it's like I mean I'm extremely glad that we're talking fries and it led us. It veered off into the souls. This is a photo of the fries that they do. The Mario Style Fra so they coleslaw and pickles in red onions. And that comebacks awesome. That would that's enough to sell me so all of this to close this. This huge tangent is you're GONNA way to Newark from forty five minutes to a couple of hours on a weekend for this and it just happens to be. I think one of the Best French fried dishes you can get in Los Angeles the you've got to do some times and okay so that's the best version of crinkle cut fries using so you have another like yes. We suggestion or recommendation Chen. I would say if you want certainly an easier experience Top round on La Brea and these are all going to be obviously very Los Angeles specific. top run on La Brea. Just south the Wilshire is kind of modeled as a modern day. Arby's Sandwich and South GonNa say and they do really awesome curly fries. Not something you see that often. They're rare yeah which I truly truly love came. Oh there's another there's a top round in is it in San Gabriel Valley. There's another one. I think they've opened a couple of Austin they they wouldn't wanNA in San Francisco. There's a few is is the point. The point is this is Los Angeles. Look it up. We're not doing. Yeah exactly you want David this is something you talked about with La Belle that sort of like in bistro style French fry at wait wait wait wait hold on one second stevie thumbs down do this that has been Ashley Episode Gentler With Women. Okay I mean most of this show sometimes Dave. I wake up which is a a little more personality than necessary. Today's one of those days. You know them sometimes on the pike has. I'll have really strong opinions about things. They didn't care about the David uh-huh completely out now before you alternative. Yeah what is your beef with. This fry from said nothing about a couple a month ago although I do not like fries don't have like a like a fluffy middle part if you're fry is just all outside with nothing in the middle. I'd rather die than eat it. I don't want this you over time. I don't want your shoe string French fries if I wanted to eat just skin or the outside of food I would do that but I'm not paying you for the potato. Okay I I. I'm GonNa make your vehemence and your passion and I'm going to say I respect it. I didn't know about this before because because if you remember I was the one talking about law google. I'd maybe just 'cause we were in front of Ashley you didn't want to really tell. Tell your true feelings because you're it was even listening potato skins. No matter how they've been chopped up I want I respects TV. She can do whatever she if there were actual potato skins like you know the the idea dozen heartbeat. Yeah that we have not seen like like nobody is. Nobody has really brought the modified modern potato skin to life yet. Still at we gotta find somebody to do that. That seems like it's begging begging to be done through in. Maybe we'll swipe about curly's for a little bit and do potato skins. Yeah I mean fully loaded. Look they fully load it. Sounds like the sequel to whatever `tatoes skins movies I status uh-huh and then there's like a comeback movie. Yes it seems like maybe you know a thing we could all do together are an open a potato skins restaurant. I love that I honestly could see that will pay dividends. Yeah we're GONNA retire off of that and the special that we could have special menu where you put different kinds of proteins on them. I mean imagine the possibilities. Gentlemen the only possible Burger crumbles older beyond me post Malone. What's other visit musician later? Hobo Johnson and Johnson's a skinless to Hato. Yep maybe he's got talks. Will Johnson taught all the music like izzy wrapping. Is You just Nosey. Housi- crying what's his girlfriend thing. He made this in his bedroom. And it sounds the only other restaurant idea I've ever had in my friend wanted to start a place called called fuck. It will French fry fuck it. Will French toast anything. Basically we have we have the. We'll we will dip it in an egg batter French toast. And if we've got it on the menu you can tell us. This is a this absolutely carnival. Like this is non franchise pop up at the fair next year. It's like a Monte Cristo but everything Christo we'll French toast didn't that is so funny about my only My only food truck idea. No it's just snacks. So it's like Tater tots French fries even just pickle chips tiny little things that you would want on. The size is basically just sides. Yeah okay the Sidecar Oh sidecar sidecar. DONUTS is already there which could be a little bit of a friend chunk booted. We'll do not sidecar donuts. Yes that'll get us a waving. The restaurant idea was smashed. Bits when I went into the restaurant executed this concept. I wanted to have restaurant called called the booth because every time I go to a restaurant wants the booth I feel like a horse because I walk into what used to be eat well and is now called the toasted toasted Bun and Glendale right down the street for my gym. Yes and what are the. What their seating they have a counter but then they also have all booth boots me but it's not called the boost booth all right? The names the worst booth. They just accidentally only had booths you. That's your whole business model. That's true I'm a much simpler man. Maybe you could add some phones on the tables like old school phone the phone booth where people people go to make foam house. You can have like the worst. Can I make it worse. We I should make. The menu is a cartoon drawings and hitting like Waldo little versions of John Wilkes booth fine. We're not calling the American patriot. But we're leaning. This is your idea American patriot. For Abraham Lincoln. Okay now. I'm sure you have several other Friday for us. I WANNA sneak in and get my own recommendation from you. So so my favorite fast food FRY which I believe I did mention on this on the episode. What is Rally Burgers fries came in credit very crisp? Sp there's a little something in the middle. It's not just it's not out yet. You're not you won't be furious but then the seasoning is very like I don't know if it's old bay but like it's got a kind of a red tint to it it's delicious and the only rally burger in miles has now become a drive thru starbucks or I be my hangover Mecca. My Sunday Church Rally Burger has gone. Never had them. Is there an equivalent. Yes can I get those fries. Those fries specifically typically I think I mean there are other rallies. There's one in culver city. That doesn't necessarily help you own. I mean I think that's I feel like I have an easier time talking about specific restaurants in Los Angeles that I think do great fries because I find for some reason. Everyone is so opinionated about fast food. French fries Um the LA Times like last year put out a big matrix of like French. FRY rankings like power rankings and it was such a viral hit for the Elliott Times. So the guy who wrote it. Lucas Peterson kept going on national television. To talk about it. Like people have massive opinions on the fast food. French fries. Seen like sums up up in marriage Yes art part of America that lies in. That's where that guy become sort of famous for writing about Fast Food French fries. Millions of page views for one story. Oh I mean you know I worked at Buzzfeed for three years in that time. The amount of you know people try it fast. French FRY taste test. People debate each other on the views comment sections popping off people fear. Es engagement crazy and this is something you said the pieces. I would view them on five guys. I think really great French fries. Don't spend a lot of guys it's one they give you free free peanuts place. I can leave a mess. I love a movie theater. I guys for those and the The peanut oil which is nice. So it's not quite as like It's a more subtle oil so you're not getting like overwhelmed with bad flavor. What are the normal oils that they fry French you can vegetable oil amend my question? I'm I'm not looking for exactly the rally equivalent at a at a restaurant. But where will I find the best. Let's say heavily or noteworthy release seasoned fries. Yes I think obviously how raise that spy shake is a really legally and apple. You should try the fries at the bellwether in studio city Which is a neighborhood Bistro restaurant they do some? I'm very interesting kind of technical things but it's just a sort of everyday place. The Patty Melt. There is fantastic and the fries. They like double fry so unusual heavier on saw sometimes as they put like a little bit of seasoning on top and they're not quite steak fries but they're bigger like that like you only maybe like twelve fries hole. So you've got that inside that you want. The I saw my dream. Yeah and they're seasoned really really well. Those are great. Yeah I gotta get satisfied with so much. I'm going to try it soon. And then the other one I was going to recommend mand is you talked about law Poobah and those Bistro fries. CVS can use packed a bag. It's almost out the door department for the last ended relationships for much less. Have you guys been to petit. Trois do you guys know that this is no I haven't so it is forget why or who who do you. Original one is in like a little strip mall off lake highland and Melrose. It was and it's like a very like elbow to elbow fund vibrant French Bistro. Sit on stools next to Saudi vibe. They do be sure style. French fries that come with with a mornay sauce on top. So it's like Abeche amount but with like rear cheese and it is like God the best version of a cheese good boss so so good so oh okay. I won't be trying those because they are missing an essential ingredient in my opinion. But Dave. You gotta get those. I don't like Bistro style fries so the essential ingredient that missing is your happiness degrees admits receivers. The is the soft pillow the FRY ingredient. And that's missing is the important ingredient. Now this is interesting because let's get a little bit of chatter going so this brings up a question related to what we opened the the discussion with which was You are not a fan of the Jades Bar fries which do sort of check off some love stevie boxes because those as we discussed have the kind of soft in the middle quality one nothing with them but we haven't had them or you haven't had them alcoves fries off. We're talking convenience what I'm trying to say is I think that based on description option of them that is sort of what you're looking for but they're not the best fries. Yes and that's sort of my broader point is like actually is not wrong for liking fries that she likes. Anybody can like anything. In part of the reason you may like the crisis because they happen to fit within a geographic area. That is important to you for whatever reason but I. I'm definitely that guy like if pressed I will happily I'm GonNa Drive Twenty minutes further away for this thing I think if you want just like a straight really simple fry bell COMPO In Santa Monica location at Grand Central Market in downtown a they happen to like raise their own cows and like that's their big thing is. Is there like a butcher shop but also do burgers and stuff. I know this this is great day. Fry Their fries in beef. Tallow just like McDonald's used to and that's like old school classic Asoka Gets Five. That's what I want. Yeah Yeah I like. I'm not even sure what kind of fries I like but I like them to taste incredibly like old school. Classic like what I would get if I was around in nineteen fifty s and went to a diner this off the middle crispy outside of cantors. I feel like even if I'm not I wouldn't say with full confidence that their qualities completely held up over the years in terms of their actual food sandwiches but those fries from the moment woman. I moved here until now. Nothing's changed very golden. Very warm inside your complaints Kanter's just because I grew up going there and that ceiling so delightful Sit under more like its own little beautiful winter atrium. It's really good. I like you think about all the famous people blown through town over the last million years who've been you know there at four. AM on some sort of substance surged wildly inebriated and enjoying the same food that I'm enjoying. It's truly stumbling up those narrow stairs to try to p bathroom in the bar. Oh that's true that all the way across the restaurant I'll do it. I'll do it to avoid those stairs. That's true okay Farley. Yes is that your last Iraq. You have a sperling my last local Iraq okay. Yeah you've national erects. No I guess not one place. I mean Montreal has like amazing Putin but nobody's nobody's going out of their way to Montreal just for Putin do the Pettinari in La close yet did smokes between now Vegan. Place right no no. It's called Bon. We they do if some vegan items but it's sort of like modern Vietnamese food just like delicious casual. You've Danny trae hopeless next door to it. Yes Danny Drills Bon. Yes ask my shed pay. Why do I say that I was supposed to say that you know you have a show that you're inside day it out? Spam Davis Brain is half spam half his own cognition I have a question. I was talking to a friend some time this week and I are we saying that what I find so interesting about some restaurants. Is that all of the food no matter what you order taste the exact same. ooh Like Sage Vegan Bistro. Yeah you can order a pizza there you can also order salad. It all tastes the same. I would say that that is something that is sort of endemic to the Vegan food community. And I know that that you can for awhile right like that's that's definitely part of it. Just because a lot of the ingredients overlap up on the same reason why people talk about like four ingredients make up every menu item at a Taco Bell like you're limited resources time change the configuration. But it's all largely that makes sense because I did say if feels like it's very specific to Vegan restaurant. They all have flavor. Yeah Yeah I'm grateful to not be limited to that anymore. That is yes. Welcome welcome to the much wider world of like delicious foods. Able to leave fun. I did want to touch on this one thing you guys talked about like dibs versus sauces. Obviously so I come from. I would say that all all our sauces but not all sauces are bits. We say that slowly All dips are technically sauces. Yes but the world of sauces is larger than just dips so not all sauces are also dips. Okay that makes so much that now that I'm hearing it out loud. Yeah because you can't. You couldn't dipper fry in in like a runny spaghetti us but that's still a sauce. Then people also would maybe dip like a Mozzarella stick inside of Marinara. Look a chunk of a chunkier difference when you see exactly. Yeah so you were talking about barbecue sauce. I think that's a great example of it is simultaneously an ingredient used while cooking and also like a finishing topping and then also a a dip like it can be any of those things as a sauce yes whereas soy sauce is not usually a de a Sushi restaurant and you might pursue it absolutely. Yeah Oh wow wow umbrellas and layers. Who drove back to Santa? Monica This woman just being to alone like I'm just like it is so nice to see people I whenever I like. If I'm maybe having lunch with someone or are like maybe seeing some of my apartment building and I say hi to them. It's always funny for me to realize this. I'm saying the first words I've said all day and then I think okay I don't even a phone call today. Yeah maybe I like I got a coffee. I guess I didn't even say a word to that person I just paid and Tipton left. Aft It is. I think it's the mark of like commuter culture and Yeah I can walk into work in the morning and talk to my five other coworkers and realize oh. I'm not used to speaking yet. Yeah Yep I. I'm a person who has not like handwritten a letter in years and if I try to write like a paragraph by hand I'm like I don't know how to do this anymore. I've fallen out of function. Oh yeah that's all. I do always writing letters by hand. I nice to send them in the mail. I'll I have people. I send you up to your good at that. I hope everyone is a willing participant in the scheme. Other letters letters. The letters out of magazines and it takes a long time so I haven't actually written anything by hand. 'cause I don't want my handwriting detectable uh-huh Anyway to blanket. You did just share with you. Guys my store on thousand island dressing. Are you kidding. Yeah you can share with stories you have also thank you for getting us back on track. Not your job. Greatly appreciated too excited. It should be noted. This is my favorite dip. Yes I it is among my favorite dips as well so we we are alike in that sense. Okay so we have to play a dip. Music Secure We'll make jingle and insert it we play a put. You put your hand up on my hip. Yeah also an option much the licensing but Weird thing where too good to go legally. Yeah Yeah works for me already. Did it. So we're going to keep going at the front of the restaurant name. This is the theme. You guys ready to hold on the table again. Let me personally. I am literally from where they invented thousand islands dressing. It's called thousand islands because it's from the thousand islands region of New York State. That's where I'm from hold up. I didn't none of us snow about this. Okay keep going. So the the Saint Lawrence River to take the sort of the goes best Montreal eventually opens up into Lake. Cantero and at the mouth is called Thousand Islands region of New York state so I grew up like twenty minutes south of the Canadian border. And it's called the thousand islands because there's like fifteen hundred little tiny the islands. How that open up some very small one? There's a famous photos of ones as a little cabin. Maybe the size of your apartment. That is just a standalone island with one trees that as a tree on on it or some livable growth. It is considered island Moss Moss. Probably Count can talk to them. Some are really the castle castle. Boldt Castle in the middle of the thousand islands region. Huge Fan Bridge. That goes over right by the castle and this all ties in was built by a a guy named George Bolt for the love of his life but she died during construction abandoned plans for it and for years. It was derelict on this island and now the state owns in it is like solely. We're having any evidence that George Bull job was as general manager for the original first. Big Walter for story in New York State so a lot of downstate people used to come up in the summertime and have summer homes including John Jacob Astor who had a private chef a company with him For these trips and one night during a big dinner astor demanded some new sauce to go with this big meal and the chef came up with thousand islands dressing. He loved it so much he took it to the Waldorf Astoria down down in New York City and it spread like wildfire from there. That's why it's called thousand islands dressing. I just got chills weight. So he that stormy first of all that is is truly amazing but I got. I'm wondering this is just the mark I mean. The answer is because he was a chef. But I'm just wondering like how a chef is looking looking at a table full of food and sees ketchup and Mayo and then sees a pickle and says I'm GONNA or relish but it is essentially what what an interesting combination because they never would have never thought but right. It's also interesting because tartar sauce is almost the same thing just without the ketchup and those were invented in different from places. Yeah Tartar Sauce. Just Mayo Relish Central. It's it's Manny's pickles dill pickles. Salt an onion. Yeah somebody is where it gets its Tang. It was thought there was something. Yeah there's no onion thousand island what no. I don't believe so there. His like a pep reeker. Whatever there's a little bit of spice up your friends there? Yeah I'm but I agree with you like the way that chefs come up with dishes in general or sauce on the spot because because they're like rich owner told them to. I don't know how that happens. My question is moving to California. I think really brought this to the forefront of because I think I'd had two thousand island before for that either I remember. There was a weird period in college where I would get fries and I would mix mayo and catch up and make a little pink sauce and I think that was even years before I had thousand island but I just you know I was missing one ingredient. Yeah but I'm wondering. How Thousand Island traveled from New York to restaurants and then became distilled into like house sauce? Like I feel I feel as though any. La Restaurant Rod has like the Burger forward has read or a or a soft that is like Oh this is what we do here and maybe just big. It's because of the big Mac but I feel like every place has a sauce and they're like Oh yeah this is just like how sauce and it's a very good question I don't I don't necessarily know the answer. I think having it as a focal point at the wall for story which is obviously a big bustling hotel in the middle of a metropolis. A lot of people are passing through and have the ability to fall in love with it it and bring it home themselves. They might have started marketing it because it felt popular. I truly don't know. Here's the sort of kicker to your point in the story. I've been very fortunate in my job to get to expand and a little bit on this sort of things that I cover like talking locally but I also right and think nationally and internationally some more now and I got the opportunity for work to go to Taipei Taiwan one last year for a reporting trip. It's really great. You know we hire local writers to do all the content for us but we get to go and sort of pick like what story seem interesting from an American can lens and also learned from them about things that we might not have thought would be interesting but ended up being really great. So I'm sitting in the lobby of this very fancy hotel Taipei Taiwan. And I'm looking down at this. Buffet Line at the the end of the buffet. Line is thousand island dressing and I have this real moment of clarity that like. I'm so fortunate in my job to be able to do this thing that I do and travel across the world old and I'm from a town of literally like one. Stop Light in four hundred people and this fucking dressing is so famous that it beat me there. The dressing showed up before you. Yes that is pretty wild people in Taiwan no one thousand islands dressing so good i. I think it's like I mean I liked it such a ubiquitous flavor it also. It's scams like it's good. You know absolute and it's it's a little. I don't know if it's like junkie. It is weird. 'cause I it's hard for me to imagine putting it on a salad but I know people do. Yep It's it's a salad dressing. I know it's a salad dressing but I've never seen someone put on solid. It's a little sweet for for that a little more small town. I think he'd file okay. It's a little too thick solid to pick barbecue sauce on. I'm sure somebody has. Oh quiet. Ranch probably was invented. I'd say I feel like there's someone sitting at a golden corral right now sloshing a little barbecue some iceberg. Right right percents. I'm on a diet trying to watch it. You talked earlier about Mayonnaise and Ketchup mixing those two together. That's called FRY SAUCE IN UTAH. And they like bottle it and sell it on on their own as a standalone staple Charles. Yeah no pickles. There's well who is it Is it hines somewhat. Someone just started marketing. Something called Mayo coach. Stop Kranj out there. I know krantz grant is like catch up and ran. How could it not be cranberry range Honestly my brain literally when you sit you said Kranj crayons and rain. You don't feel like you've got a college degree and you know you're an intelligent human and then you have thoughts like that that make you go Maybe not trying to open a bag. Oh Oh my gosh meets you I am full. There's so many times in my life where that is that is exactly my thought is aren't I smart. Wait Clayton uh-huh yeah. I don't know I feel that way anytime I try and say an idiom and I say incorrectly which to me feels so so weird. I'm English was my first language I can't though like three days ago on the phone. I said killed he said Yeah. I killed a bird with two stones. They didn't kill it. Injured it or back around. Were basically the entire meaning of what I meant to say was just null and invited advocate for over killing an animal that killed a bird. The opposite of that in a lull in the conversation. So you'd finish killed a bird with two stones and they said where are you from. They were in a yoga class. Please be quiet. I'm like wait. Can you hear my other question. Does the early early bird get worms early bird bad. So that's you know that's all I have to say on French fries. Which is which is not widely? Yeah I do I have I have one more maybe parting thought that I think about sometimes which is that. I think that I think that we can do more with French fries. I don't know what that looks like necessarily but I think vegans have a certain responsibility most. Yeah I know love French fries food. They can eat people food in there. I want to call on all the vegans out there. Let's start innovating. The French fry if to impossible Hosoi Burger like there's more we can do genre. I don't know what that looks like. There's more we can do. I agree I also think you could run for office with that. We can be doing more with Brendan to your earlier. Point about the Mario's specials I would. It's called I feel like you. Can I feel feel like vegans could innovate with the kind of frito pie since pile of stuff. So you've got that bed of French fries. That aren't fried in animal fat or whatever you could do it impossible meet crumble. You could do like dairy free sauce drizzle. You could chop up some you could use them. CARAMELIZED is onions over. That I think you could think vegans are getting sloppy enough. That's right into premium. Proper Loosen vegans. Steve was Vegan. She really sick of your. But I was only you know going into the fanciest restaurants which are like. There's like three. You're a parasol. You're constantly at threat of being blown away by the wind. I can't tell you how many hand fans had to walk around with in order to let people know. I was Vegan. How many you have onto a one one for when it's too hot in the winter but you could just use the one? You're so right but sometimes certain you know spring colors and designs. Don't look great in the winter. I'm just GONNA say yeah. You need a dark hand fan for the winter like a navy blue and then you need like Beige or light pink for the summer. I've never had a hand fan before All of those false absolutely not true. Stevie it's okay. Thank you so much I support you and it's not a lie as an embellishment ocean and the color for for podcast and speaking of lies not embellishments. There's one part about the cake that you guys eight in the beginning of the episode guide did not tell you because it colors everything and I don't want that on the table way way way way will hold onto the table. People like being lied to know. You just withholding one bit of information. Here's this podcast of the prong and and it's the the biggest problem I could play on anybody okay so that cake was gluten. Free what I know. Drop before. What did you swap out? What are what are we talking about? Just use gluten free flower. What's what I mean? Is it literally wheat flour lower than the gluten removed or is it an alternative flower flower flower. No almonds I'm allergic. He's I have allergies. Tom Brown rice flour with Tapioca Starch and baking soda in that is built into the packaging or you add that as on alternative built in tend to pick the ones that have like fewer ingredients because so many are chocked full of things. Like CORNSTARCH and Yeah so I don't put cornstarch in it so yeah it just so you know. It's rice flour. I taste the difference. That's good I. I don't like to tell people because people will be like the Anna Lindh free items and then then you eat it and you're like it's just a different flower. It's great yeah. Some people were mad that the the Golden Globes went all Vegan. This year with that I saw that. Oh insane but some people were like. I can't even this pure Los Angeles for you all the hippies going Vegan now and it's like we all eat vegetables it's okay like you'd like same people who care about stuff that affects them in literally no way like for one meal like that's the thing that I think is so weird about people being like what is this is in food and you're like for tonight. Yeah you don't even have to eat it except the goal is part about a meal being served you at an award show. Most people people donate food. Yeah they don't care and like the world is dying slash on fire. We can all afford to eat a little less red meat. I know it's America and this is what we got sold. All does a bill of goods in the nineteen fifties commodity companies. But like. It doesn't have to be that way anymore. Now the least amount of me and still be a meat eater. It's okay we were finally now. Moving away from the narrative of everybody needs a pint glass of milk. Oh it's so it's it's so weird to think about like when we were growing up. That was just the norm. Like you were supposed to drink milk with your meals which is also like try digesting any food with a glass of milk cool. It grows hot day. It's not good. I don't like that no no one does. I'm just never ever also drinking any liquids that have that consistency anymore. It's like not quite milkshake. But they're it's definitely more viscous than water or tea or coffee. I don't I need your inbetween. made it through the whole year. The whole holiday season without ingesting nog. Oh I did have some knowledge mistake. Ask Ask your season. No NOG consumed on this end. I never never have though like it's not dog lady. I know I'm not Inaugu lady and I hate that look. I'm not a nod cutie but your dog that kind of girl. Oh Oh Dog Lauren just reject that joke I looked down and she was shaking your head. No that was that was built. Nope yeah she was cancelling me Farley. I'm so glad you came back. I kind of feel like well. I kind of feel like you should have your own podcast where you talk about food. You know it may happen it would make a lot of if you don't no no nearly as much as you do that. I Like I love I love do I did and this is true. This was a rejected pitch for for a video series that I wanted to through my company which was agreed to interview people over meal but every week I accidentally double booked myself I self side-by-side restaurants doubtfire. I picked up to series. Unfortunately are you you kidding. Yeah I do believe that insincerity that there is. We can have a little more fun when we're talking about food. You know what I mean. I think so. I agree one hundred under percent. I think it can be a little playful and do that fairly. You're an avid listener of this podcast. So you know that we've come to what used to be. The question is now the one out of five. Pick a number and you get one question questions. Yeah TV do you think by number is yeah I would love to and getting to numbers in two four. Two is my favorite number but I was thinking five interesting. Walk to either them. Yeah I will also say that I. They have never won successfully. Guessed what our guest is going to do. Say so there are some very. There's a lot of fun here for me in trying to guess consistently being wrong humble keeps me really ashamed. You think you would have gotten it one out of five times the speaking now my stats are battery. Okay so you picked fights so I if you could give your younger self one piece of advice about relationships or food what what would it be. Oh don't take it seriously I I spent the early part of my career feeling like I need to have like definitive takes online. Because that's what would sell Yup and I also spent the first part of even like my a marriage now which is four and a half years old. Like congratulations thank you being like. I know exactly what being married is like. And I'm going to fulfill these roles but the truth is everything is much more amorphous and a lot of the best things happened in those middle spaces. Very good I think if you lived your life like that you'd have a great life tried I too don't take it also seriously have a little fun. Exactly Weird Have Pont. Gez say whatever you want on some some people with a cave make something fun lie to people about what's in it. Wait a minute. I don't want to be deceived anymore. By you. said that in front the Farley and and Mike Christian God okay so you converted. y'All way converted. That is insane. You're Jew for Jesus. Yes wow that's cool converted to Catholicism Wow from a Judaic Catholicism was Ju- back he is no longer with us but I believe he died a Catholic got it. Wow that's probably charts that if you uh-huh uh-huh because he'll go to heaven now okay we'll Farley. They were on what has turned into a pretty loosey. Goosey APP great so seriously yeah. These directs our listeners. To mm some of your online hubs yes I let me say if you ever want to be on a podcast. I highly recommend bullying people. You know to let the French fries for fifty minutes. Yes you can find me Everywhere online at over over under if you WANNA read my writing. I have a book called Los Angeles Street food history from Tom Lehrer rose to Taco trucks. And I also am the senior editor for la DOT EATER DOT COM. Well incredibly. Well done I would say like to plug your parody instagram account. That you don't run a good friend of mine who show go nameless. Let's because I don't want to give them the recognition over over under they have under under over as a parody account that is just bellow tone filters of already eaten and food with the Hashtag Nummy. I mean I'm laughing existence genius. It's very good and I I liked it. It has like almost no followers would also take me to no end if it blew up at fifty thousand dollars. I legitimately when I was especially taking myself more seriously. had to tell this person I need to be able to go through the follower list and block people who don't know that it's a joke because I have like a professional life to lead. So it's a delicate balance. Can I tell you guys. Before we go about my owning attempt at a parody account. Yes all right it was with me and an ex boyfriend and We called it okay. Ice Reviews so it was just okay. Ice Reviews and the tagline was ice not math and and what we did is we went to restaurants took very very bad photos of the glasses of water. They gave us with ice in them. Sometimes my fingers would be in it sometimes. Not and so what we did is we raided the ice wrote paragraphs paragraphs about the ice and if we liked the ice or not and it was so fun. Thank you ideally. So you deleted. It felt too good for instagram. No I deleted it because I was like. I can't run another other account even if it's just ice reviews that's a lot of work. Yeah well maybe you can resurrect the twenty twenty. It's a new year. It's a new time. Maybe a new boyfriend will want to do it with me. Here's to hoping. Here's here's hoping. Thanks for being on the show. Thank you so much I wait wait. Don't go okay he's back in. He's sorry we prematurely say goodbye. That's okay any opportunity. We need to see you guys again once a year. We miss you so much. We have some twitter questions for you and I feel I would be remiss not to ask you yes so oh past guests Brendan Smith. Smith Asks Best Soul Food Best Soon Tofu and best Mexican restaurants in Whittier. Who Very very specific questions for soul food it's all things south? La Dulan's do an apostrophe s kind of like the mainstay twenty-one year strong wrong cafeteria style almost like Places you truly see in the south that do like meet in threes where you literally just lineup and it kind of rotates every day is different special But there's a lot of other places herald in bells is like more of a creole kind of focus they also in south La. They're fifty years old this year. So it just depends on what you're looking in foreign. That's Open Jon. Rao I would also say that like we. Jam and in places like that that have a Jamaican and Caribbean focus on also very popular in south. La and they've got a little historic console food feel to them for Tofu. I mean beverly. Tofu is a classic CD. Tofu House is probably the staple director. Who just did did parasite instead of going in and out? After the Golden Globes went to be CD. Tofu House signed at the wall and was very nice. Cool delightful little story and then the Mexican skin food in Whittier thing is interesting. Obviously there is was or out that way. Yes yes I heard his episode and he was sort of using whittier as a shorthand and for all things east. LA If you're talking in that general region my one of my favorite restaurants of the year has popped up in boyle heights in it's called L. Russo Russo R.. USO Russian. It's a very nice wonderful dining walter whose wife hand makes flour tortillas in their living room and then deliver them to the frock and does Carne Asada and it's all over mesquite charcoal which is very like Sonora Northern Mexico Style and he does these tortillas or does there's these tacos that are in the style of play out of Rosarito called L.. Jaki Wiig you you is so they have the flour Tortilla and then grilled cheese being Harney Asada all the toppings. Sometimes you can get an egg on if you want to. It is just like a delight of the senses and truly my favorite restaurants so good yeah great next question okay. Puzzle head puzzle head asks Beth food scene outside of La domestic and international. I think you know if you're you're talking about all levels of dining it's gotta be New York City. They just do everything at such a scale that it's hard to compete with. I was definitely very very into the food scene. Gene in Asheville North Carolina. Where he went if you might There's a new restaurant there called Bene on Eagle which is an attempt to reclaim a lot of these southern largely black food traditions of not only Asheville North Carolina but the greater ousts similar. To what stuff like Sean Brock is doing it is a really really special ashland beautiful and fantastic restaurant and they also. I was at a barbecue place there and I was as I normally do found in the kitchen. I'm talking to the owner and I'm describing regional no food and I'm talking about my growing up in northern New York. And he's like there's a dude who used to work for me who grew up in northern New York and he just opened a restaurant that is all foods of northern New York. I got to go and I my car and drove over and it was like if you were in Thailand but of Mexican descent and you walked into the Mexican restaurant and you were like they sort of got it right Putin and like all of this sort of Berries Pacific regional stuff that mattered to me where I grew up going is it was. It made me so happy. UNBELIE so Asheville. North Carolina also really great seeing International International. Yes uh-huh obviously Japan. I think is these days considered the kind of stalwart for that France is going to have its place as a classic dining style. I was really really impressed. Impressed with dining and Taiwan pay specifically for anybody I knows taking a trip to Asia Usually your flights will offer you a layover somewhere in Taipei Taipei or Korea or something take that day. Take the full. Twenty four hour layover spending. I Know Hotel the street. Food scene is unbelievable. They're they obviously are ethnically Chinese historically speaking but culturally very Japanese and so it is easily the safest most beautiful friendliest large Asian city. I've ever been to. It was so easy ticket around. I literally was looking for a restaurant on my phone. Walking down the street and and gentlemen on a moped that passed me turned around and came back to ask me if I needed help. That's great fantastic. I love that cool. That's so cool and finally. Jeffrey are at underscore. Jeffrey Says Best Mobile Pizza. Yes so this is a little bit like what we talked about earlier. Aware restaurants are rethinking. The business model and a lot of them are sticking to sort of modern street food. Ethos and doing new with it. I assume with this person is talking talking about the best example right now is a place called. ellios E. L. I. O. Apostrophe S. so you guys know Jones on like Santa Monica and La Brea Hollywood I I love it. Bathrooms horny bathrooms clients. How many pizza gentleman who used to work there Bought a small domed Italian style pizza oven and put it in the back of his pickup truck started doing pizzas in a parking lot on sunset in Silverlake and their. That's really fantastic. Okay yes he's gotten written up a bunch now we were honestly. Eater is sort of a guy who prides himself on such things. I was late to the game going. It's a really awesome quality example of like what a wood-fired pizza can be on the street and more importantly it just goes to show you that Los Angeles is never done John Thinking about new ways to fulfill a need. You know this. This is a beautiful and complex city. And we will deliver food to you. Whether it's hot chicken or high-end dining in your neighborhood at a price point that works in a way that no other city can amen and honestly God bless Elios. I gotta try it because we need more more in the repertoire. As far as like pizza that you can count on here and I think it is. I think it is bullshit that there's no good pizza and La but you know. There's fewer than I want. Yeah I also think it's important for us as experts on a food podcast to trial these things we need. We need to do more of that to us to do more. We even want to come close to being able to sort of at one point in one part of our life be able to use the term expert. That's one hundred percent true someone south road out just to see if it catches on today. It didn't no not today not today but you know why. Don't we leave the actual expert Doc Farley to being expert we'll leave we'll leave it to you okay so this is for real. WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA we're not gonNA fake you out again. We we've got some apple cake for you and we are now officially saying goodbye. Thank you so much great gas at the end of the block. Thanks Charlie Wow. We've never had a double ending halfway. We've never said stop. You can't leave. We need to talk to you. More for is now considered a triple ending. Because now we're now because he's not here yet but it could be. We could end this and then come back for another segment Dave. Thanks so much I'm going to have to see you later. Okay bye can you hold up a second only we should do. We should do an actual altro. Okay what are your thoughts on. That apps have always really. I could talk Farley for hours about food and I have we. We had a a lovely lovely I eight Christmas dinner with him at Tam Oc- answer with a bunch of people a couple of weeks ago an LA eatery that has carolers all dressed rest up and it was. It was a very nice celebration and I I like hearing him talk about food. He knows what he's doing any time I feel like I've become You know set in my ways I only three things. It's cool to just talk to someone who knows more than me. Yeah I I really like the fact that when he talks it's like really I feel like we're getting thanks secrets you don't mean it feels like healthy gossip like it feels like. He's giving US secrets to unlock food in L. A. and honestly I guess internationally and it feels cool stuff. I wouldn't have probably researched or even learned about but it's so nice to be handed that information and we can go off and use it. It's also so so I feel I mean. Look it's a new year. People are turning over new leaves and trying to develop new habits and stuff and I'm speaking speaking for myself because I'm really trying to make progress with With like health and fitness cooking and it really is great to And to just talk about food and not a general sense but in a way that's just pure enjoyment like there was no mention of this is a really this place. I saw this place a lettuce. Wrap Your Burger for you or not that. There's anything wrong with any of that. But she's talking about like this is what's GonNa taste great and you know. I don't think he'd be a a embarrassed for me to say so. But he's been Farley's been really active of health and wellness journey himself. He's gotten pretty great shape shape and started rock climbing and stuff and it hasn't gotten in the way of his like food enjoyment job and I think that that's like it's amazing and it gives me hope and Yeah he's he's a very he's just a very interesting wonderful guest all around. Yeah I'm big Fan. I also love what he said his last thing which is like don't take it also so seriously it's like yeah. Let's have more fun with it. Let's go to restaurants and enjoy our food. I feel like the days of us have girlfriends who we go to a restaurant restaurant. I'm so bad. I'm eating French fries from eating mashed potatoes. And I'm like I eat that stuff all the time like I don't WanNa hear that anymore like let's just enjoy food food or or or don't come. Yeah I'm trying to learn or accept that that's okay. The more I exercise again that this is not rocket science but the hungry. You're I am and if I eat like a normal if Aidid Diner breakfast after I've done a hard workout I'm realizing like oh I can barely lift my fork. It means I maxed out what my body can do and I need to put food in it and it's okay that I'm at a restaurant doing it and it's okay that I used up all my vegetables last tonight and I I will say though I wanted to just say maybe it's the whole myself cannibal. But I saw past if you already way at the gym this morning and we did a little elbow bump and I went to my car and I realized like Oh. We started talking about how I was newly exercising and stuff and he was on our show. And it's been over a month month and a half and I gotta say just to. Maybe you make a marker here and say this is what I noticed it unless the let's see if I can build from there. I noticed a small muscle on my I have have a little bit of a a tiny I say small immediate I have a little bit of a triceps situation. Going it again. It is this has been. I'd like so we're at the end of January now and so that's this is a new tricep muscle. Yes and I'll show you. You'll see just how small it is but I took a picture I can't say Look No. It's not that small and it's definitely there won't but I. I think that the the craziest thing is that this the just works and I'm trying not you know I'm not again. I'm not weighing myself. I'm not I am generally early eating better. And and being a little carb conscience conscious and all that stuff but that doesn't mean I'm not eating out it doesn't mean I'm not enjoying my food. It's bizarre is our how much it works when you can just accept that this is what you're doing. Yeah I love that lifestyle and you you just healthy yes I love it also also I wanted to read it very nice email that we got please. This showed up on our inbox today. Cristian Campos who is a very Royal Listener to the show. Hi Christian episode with Brennan Smith was truly my favorite episode to date. It was awesome to have an intricate food episode especially the lowest feeler slash. Hollywood bits fits your guests. Seems like an incredible. Hang with an encyclopedic knowledge of L.. A.'s best food spots. I always think of food field trips as many vacations and I have a few more spots to add civilised civilised thanks to y'all are ap L. and good luck bar cheers from a native Angelino Christian. Wow that's so cool. Thank you Christian. I Love Brendan. Yeah I I mean it's Kinda cool that this year so far we've had we're going to have like a few La centric food episodes which is really nice because I think a lot of our listeners are in La and if not you know come take a quick vacation and hit up some of these spots yes into that end. I think we will have a couple food centric ones but I think that that means that just around the corner. We're going to have some kind of corker of a relationship episode and I think maybe we'll be booking with that in mind because you know I like hearing about a juicy. UC Burger. But I like hearing about juicy gossip too. You know what I'm saying. I one hundred percent do and nothing wrong with that. I think I think all relationships are beautiful. They're not created equal and sometimes sometimes people have story to tell. I WANNA story a one story August story story. I WANNA break store. Yeah uneager any updates for me at all before we get out of here my updates so far are are You know all of January. I'm still on my elimination Diet Through my doctor do my allergists. So that's going well I'm reintroducing things. I'm foods still cooking at home baking a lot. I've been baking in the colder weather. Which is nice wonderful speaking? Dave thank you for saying that I want to eat more food that you make. I will make some pound cake or something to because that's really good through it all my grandma's recipes. Yeah I've just been really enjoying the new year. The new energy no real updates in terms of relationship that I have been talking to someone. Oh in talking texting. It's a lot of texting. Phone calls. he's out of town right now so We've been doing this for about a month in half to be honest and you haven't met in person not yet. We're meeting literally next week so I'll have something to report to you. I know that's okay. Give me something to look forward forth. Good I have one question for you. That is it's really out of left field. But I I just I just it's been it's been on my mind a lot So I'm prone to falling down certain rabbit holes and just really following my bliss and my own mania and lately. I have not been able to stop reading about and listening to the music of Frank Zappa and he's a very very Accomplished published amazing. No longer with us but he was in. La based musician who had a lot of specifically la like a lot of lyrics with references to La. Yeah and so I know your dad is a musician and you grew up around here and I think he grew up. Close to not in Palmdale but maybe like pomona somewhere somewhere around there. Did your dad ever cross paths with Frank Zappa. I do not know Frank. ZAPPA particular but Brennan Smith Great Friend of the ZAPPA's. Wow he does a podcast with one of his sons. All right yeah so he I think he knows I'm quite well. Okay I feel like if I we had him back on and I ask them a question. We just talked about it for hours but I think maybe our listeners would be a little bit upset because it's a very boom ary interest of mine. What is your most boomer interest and actually this does tie into to our show a little bit his his son? Frank Zappa sign nine. Diesel plays like faithful recreations of his father's music. This is all like within the last month. I've just been for some reason. Can't stop listening. Get it but he. He tours a huge ban. Some of which is dad used to play with and plays these long sets of his dad's music and I was like you should be just great ready to go. I should just go by myself. I would love to see it. Turns out. He's on tour. Oh He's coming to Pasadena this whole band and I'm not even. Are we going to ask you to guess when he's coming Stevie his date where he's coming literally like twenty minutes from us is on Valentine's Day. No are you gonNA undoing. No there is no way I would ask to come see not too. It's not like hey frank ZAPPA. He's that guy's dead. It's like what you WanNa see the guy that you're not really familiar with sodden to play that guy's music was a bunch of sixty five year olds so mad at a boyfriend if he made me do that. I'm not I'm not even I'm not even gonNA bring it up as a joke. Yeah that's a good call once they in this relationship. That's such a good area. Yeah Wow yeah good thing you brought it up here. That could've gone real bad if you go for it. Why not? If she doesn't like him the Shumur not the right person. I mean. Honestly you're you've got a little bit chaotic chaotic energy tonight. Maybe who knows yes hard yet. Let steer into the skid. Steer away from the skin out now. Who's doing the idioms weird? Oh no I caught it from you. You're contagious contagious. I know I might advocate for relationships. I will never tell someone to break up with someone over something like a Zappa show the TV dogs are going crazy. You and I are losing our minds. We've had a wonderful episode. But maybe it's time to go. Let's go you can find our podcast forever. You get your podcasts. But especially Apple podcasts where we would appreciate a rating subscription and a review. If you'd read it it's a review would make so very very happy. You call our hotline to three or four or five eight five two three six leave us little some. Maybe we'll play it on future. We've got our first one came in and got an inbox. Haven't listened to it yet because frankly a little scared. What if it's scary? Or what if it's weird and we never get another one again but that's just my paranoia. I'm just letting you behind the curtain a little bit at my unique brain of mania and I just WanNa say thank you so much for listening. Maybe I'm sounding like a broken record but I I really just enjoy season three. It's a it's a it's a good. It's not just a constant in my life but I will say it's a good constantly in my life and I I can i. I've been walking Steve. When we when we record and it just it just makes me feel good and I feel like we're due for a someone's GonNa come in and it's going to be a crazy chaotic episode? I don't want to jinx but who knows no. I'm just saying that it's been so pleasant and wonderful up until now the other. She's about to drop Dave. That's not how things work. He's not gonNA drop okay. Also can I say something really quick. I had a friend context me that he listened to our loss episode and or he listened. He actually listened to the end of the year episode where we reviewed our year and it helped him let go of a resentment he had towards an ex girlfriend and he takes to me that he feels a lot lighter and our podcast actually helps people and I was like Oh my gosh. I'm GONNA be insufferable now that I know that because that is a good feeling it felt so good I was like. Oh Wow we're not just you know talking into Mike's eggs into the ether like there are people listening in. It actually is like kind of helping off really nice. Made me feel really good. I just thought I'd end with that. Just so Yeah maybe maybe maybe this episode on the Frontier Rebuttal and Some places internationally and other than the thousand island episode assode will essentially like change your life. I think we're both chasing people's lives and you know I'll end by saying that you know I know a couple of people who have reached out and Said said they really liked it and it started to like it listen to it. My brothers started to list. Welcome they hello. To my little Bro- he was just in town. I got to cooking dinner while he's very good cook himself. He taught me how to use a chef's knife great honestly. I Love Food Metoo and relationships me do you guys until next time. Bye Bye Hey D- like comic books. Do you like brothers others. Do you like brothers talking about comic books you do. Okay then listen to the sad. My Name's will hines and I'm Kevin Heinz. 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Whats it like to open your own pot store?

The Big Story

19:45 min | 1 year ago

Whats it like to open your own pot store?

"Around this time a year ago the only way to legally purchase marijuana in Ontario was on the Internet mm-hmm Other provinces opened retail stores on the day pot became legal in Canada but Ontario was way behind. The government was desperate to get stores open as soon as possible and they were working with really tight timelines but in an effort to make sure that the licenses they were planning to grant can't were handed out fairly they were also holding a lottery. That was open to anyone. A single entry costs seventy five dollars and the winner would be announced right after the holidays. A lot of huge cannabis companies entered that Ontario lottery but they had the exact same chance as thousands of regular entrepreneurs with big dreams. And this is the story of one of those people who won that lottery and then looked at his winning ticket and looked at the calendar and said crap. I have to open a store in less than three months. I'm Jordan Heath rally. This is the big story. Stephen Fry is the owner. An operator of Cana Cabana in Hamilton. He's also the president and Co founder of sessions canopus. Hey Steven Jordan I I guess why and why did you enter the lottery in the first place. How did it start? Well I found out in the radio. Highly enough in in for me was seventy five dollars and a hotmail email address us thought why not. I mean the bears entry. The time were so low. I remember reading about this and I I read online for a few hours. There's got to be a catch. Sean what am I missing and sure enough. There wasn't a catch in all. All that was required was an email address and seventy five dollars admission fee so why not is really the answer. What were you thinking thinking when you did it or right after you did it would happen When I when I applied I was sitting around my dining room table might my Mother and father in law were sitting on the couch. And and I said I'm GONNA apply the cannabis lottery in the Omay joke and think. What are you doing right so I I was just thinking? What's next big opportunity commerce? I didn't really have a big game plan to be honest with you. It wasn't falling cannabis too closely prior to this and again why not. I mean it was such an easy process to enroll in. Seemed like no brainer to me. Were the odds of winning one of these things at the time there were seventeen thousand submissions for five regions across the province Ice Minute to all five regions just thinking. Why not again? I'll I'll have five times the odds of winning so one in seventeen thousand in theory where the odds of winning one of these things so I'm lucky lucky dude. Tell me about both the moment when you realized you did win. How'd you find out? Well it's funny. I asked question line and for me. I wasn't even following it that closely. I mean applied. I you know there's a couple of week process in between plying in the lottery results being drawn and a friend of mine that went to high school with WHO's in the cannabis industry Reach out to me on Facebook Messenger. Attorney said Hey. Is this a Stephen Fry. I think it is and sure enough. I go to my hotmail email address and a check. And there's this this letter from the issue saying hey you've been selected congratulations in the Iran right. So what was your first thought when you saw that email. What next? I didn't know what to expect in any boss. I had a rude awakening. I feel like now I have a Ph. HD and retail cannabis. In a matter of months. I mean opening a store in a matter of you know forty weeks is no Has No small task for anybody to push Bush so it was a big kick in the butt this that so. Why don't you tell me because I think a lot of us knew about the licenses and knew about the the relative scarcity of them but but not necessarily How quickly the process unfold? So you get this email that you one you can get a license what happens next and how fast is a move move. Well I had. I had one week to turn over. What's called a letter of credit to the government was a fifty thousand dollar fee at the money? For fifty thousand wasn't an issue for. I mean it was about getting the letter credit than what quickly found out that. No Big Bank in the province in the country wanted to touch cannabis. I remember calling the Gaming Commission saying hey guys I can't I figured out. What do I do and they said well? If you can't figure it out within a week disqualify seems a little bit unfair. I mean I sound like everybody. I'm speaking with that. Were successful in this process. Also have the same challenge challenge So banking was number one priority for me and and and it was a whirlwind and certainly Took me by storm trying to figure out in short order. You said other people had the same problem so you are in contact with them. I was one of my strategies early early days was to contact with all the other lottery. Recipients figure what's going on I mean again he was unchartered territory. A lot of big companies. Were contacting me. I wanted to figure out what a real skewering whatever else is being offered. You know what was the scoop so I I did make relations with some of the of the lottery scipion. Every single other person had seen challenge. Couldn't figure out how to get this letter credit. When you say the big companies were reaching out to you what does that look like? What are they want? Well a lot of them You know before this lottery process for the average showed apply like myself The government Initially was gonNA open up to the free market and a lot of these bigger companies that were already established salvaged from the provinces had foothold in the market. They are ready to go. They had real stayed. Had the system set up so they wanted their chance to use those things they wanted to partner with me and helped me through this process Because they were ready before this and in fairness I mean I'm some lucky guy that comes along with this ticket and they were already ready to go. Yeah so when you have that ticket. And they're making you these partnership offers. What did you kind of get a sense? Was the value of you having one that ticket like what kind of what kind of money are we. Even even weight quickly changed. I mean initially it was. Hey you pay a fee to franchise brand because you know we have a system that's already established and we have a concept and in policy the procedure etc and they quickly turned into okay. We want to pay you money now because we want you to have a kind of a reverse licensing we WANNA brand to be no one in the province of material we won't it'd be I market so we're happy to throw some money your way to help make that happen so it really range. I mean I I saw offers ever from one hundred thousand dollars up. Two million dollars stood to buy these things but many came with catches may then came with you had to sell your entire license. May them would have been off side with the government because they really cared about control. I mean I won this thing after after all and the government did not want some other third party coming in and control this thing. That was not the spear the lottery So that created a whole bunch of nuance to figure this thing out in the interest of kind of questioning the big picture here. Why would the government want someone like you? WHO has no experience selling cannabis to have these licenses more or than people who have proven track record of selling it elsewhere? What's the rationale for that? It's a good question. I don't think the government was Kinda stuck. I mean once it was opened up to free market. What else were they do? Other than create a fair open process. I mean they had to have the ability for everybody apply otherwise they'd been ridiculed from somebody else right so they were kind of stuck. I think. Casino Hindsight's twenty twenty I or the government. I probably would have looked at more from merit space system to weed. Guys like me are initially But you know what the process was the process I didn't create the the rules. I just played by them right so sure. But it's hard I mean if you're the government you you want to have small business you know benefiting from this. I think that was initial intent. I honestly don't think the government anticipated These big players come woodwork. So do this. Will you said you met and talked to a lot of the other people who won the lottery by and large. What are they lake? Are they like people like you. Who are like seventy five bucks? I might as well take a chance. It's a mixed bag. Lucky for me. I was an executive prior this. I'm commerce guy m e by trade So I'm a business person. I think a lot of people that one these things are good chunk of them weren't business people at all and in many facts. I talked to a few people that certainly weren't of the highest this caliber Of of business standings but again. That's that's the the luck of the draw that you get when you opened up to know barons all right so the time is ticking and your getting offers from larger your companies and you're still trying to secure a note of credit what happens then so it come up. I figured out that they'll turn a bank. Is the only bank in the province accepting anybody that can do this within reasonable timeline. So I figured that. got that That check box chipped then it was trying to figure. Okay what next. How do I open up the store? How do I create data brand how do I find the monies to open the store? I mean it's not cheap opening a cannabis stores so things severely insist urged security systems example Those can cost upwards of fifty thousand dollars and then do you think about things like construction and all meanwhile we have this penalty imposed on me by the government of upwards of fifty thousand dollars. If I'm late so I had a big gun to my head and I had to move fast. I so long. Did you have from when you got the license and got the credit to win. The store had to be open so I found out an early January mid-january sees me when when win I always selected or the right to apply for a license. By the time I received my license it was closer to March and then I had to open in April really. Really April first was when the first penalties after prefers to that was the first penalty started being enacted is twelve thousand five hundred every two weeks and then twenty five thousand at the end the months fifty thousand dollars in total title. So you've got you've got the license now but you've gotten to store or anything. How do you get those things together on that timeline? Well it was crazy. I mean lucky for for me again. Coming from the world of of business and the world of Project Management I. I help build hospitals prior to this so I have sufficient of project management It was critic and big Master Project Plan and and every single day grinding away at that I mean these were at a minimum fifteen sixteen hour days every day for months on end until as able to pull this off. I mean hiring contractors designers hiring architects getting mill. Work in place for your for your cabinet. Trie getting things like insurance security systems hiring employees employees. I mean there's a start a whole new business within a matter of I'd say six to eight weeks of most. How does zero find a place to put the store? I know here in Toronto. There was a lot of anger over where these stories would be located. How far from this or that? How accessible to kids? Yeah For me I I was. I received received a license for the west region and that encompassed everything from more or less Hamilton. To Niagara Falls to Windsor. And then also the you know wealth and Cambridge etc so I had. I had a pretty pretty wide area to choose from The large part of my choosing was figuring wherever else was going. I do WANNA open where other people are going this time to have more or less than monopolies and oligopolies situation. Why would I want to open the same city? Somebody else's opening so that was a big a big chess match so I initially. It was an opening wealth. The community had some uproar because there's near addiction centers so we didn't didn't let that so I decided to stay away from that and spirit of being a good corporate citizen and then I was going to go to London Ontario then I found out the two or three others roping in London Ontario. I was going to go windsor. And then they opt out and then you know. I thought you know. I've got roots and Hamilton Mac Grad I have properties there. I think I think Hamilton is going to be a really great place. So that's how I landed nailed and what about the exact location of the store though. How hard was it to find Someone would Lisa rent or whatever that was very very difficult. cannabis is highly stigmatized. Is I think most landlords would rent me but they wanted a massive premium premium. I just wasn't willing to pay so I ended up finding a location. Where the initial government when they were GONNA do this on their own through company called material cannabis store. They were gonNA open this plaza. I found I found that out and I thought okay great. The government's already done some due diligence on this location. Why not go there So I found out through through my network that that was in fact a location they were gonNA open thought. Let's do it. Let's go for it. How do you try to stock a store from nothing and determine what your clientele is when there is no clientele yet? That was really has a tough question. I mean I didn't know what to expect inordinate anybody. It was the first stores or is opening in the province of material for the record. Do you smoke pot. I do smoke pot. I'm a casual smoker. I'm a rookie to care to. Most I often get asked him in the story. The customer's last. Have you tried this practice. If I had to try every product I would be be stoned every single day of my life because I mean there's one hundred eighty or so producers now online online We carry a hundred and fifty different products in store so I think about the math on that alone rate so well. That's what I'm trying to get a sense of because like you're trying to plan to offer for God knows how many strands varieties and formats of pot. But nobody's you have no data on. WHO's buying what very little data? Now don't don't forget that it was was available online predators coming opening so there was a single data point available. That was that was relatively secretive. Did they give that Info to you about like. What were the most popular brands on the Ontario Canada store? No necessarily I think the benefit I had is the law of the license produced the grow. The stuff obviously want shelf space right so they want to convey information to you. They want to help train your staff so that was very helpful. So I was able to kind of navigate. Those murky waters early days by connecting with those producers But I didn't know what to expect. I mean. Think what I'm planning this opening day opening on four twenty with this which is synonymous with with with consumers and didn't know how to show up. Is it one of those situations for building. They show come or is it. I'm going to build this. Nobody's GonNa show up and you know I certainly win for the former. I win big at this. I plan to really big opening day and they came. I mean we had the first customer lineup before twenty in the morning on the security footage and it was a rainy. It was a cold day and we had upwards of a lineup of two hours that day all day long for people that have to make to make history was the first ever licensed were opening Hamilton Ontario. And you may know we sold out. We are selling out within three warned alone. I was actually two stores in the province. I still though really. It was mean another company any of Ottawa on the enough We're the two fastest selling stores in the country for that matter. So we were selling a mile. Location was twenty five kilograms. Times a week. We'd be selling that within three to four days a most. Where do you go from here because there's now more licenses granted there's more competition coming and and correct me if I'm wrong you're not allowed to kind of become a franchisor? Are you in an open up other stores so my license Wanted Twenty four people have licensed in the tail real right now as it stands They did not allow me. The government did not allow me to participate in the second round rail. Oddly enough they wanted to get to one store. I have one story now. My license allows always be open. More stores in the future when the government allows more stores to come online But what I've done through the sessions cannabis brand is we have in fact franchise more or less A concept and a and a brand Two people that won the second round. So we're opening a store in Toronto in on Kingston Road and the beaches and I store opening putting up calling weird Right downtown Calling what's coming online in December and transit comey line in January So part people that won the lottery the second go round saw guy like it means said well. This guy knows what he's doing he's been through the trenches He has no concept. He's got a brand apart with him. They'll still maintain control of their store. But they'll utilize the resources brand that we have available so your partnering with them. The way cannot Cabana. Partnered with you you got it you got it so you became one one of those guys. That was calling you in the I I was. I became one of them now. The difference of course is is. I'm one of them. I'm the cousin or the sister of the brother. I I'm part of the a family you know part of the team. So there's a certain level of trust that people have with me because I've been in their shoes. I kinda know what they've heard what they've seen. What people are approaching them with? So I I can. I can navigate Laghi through some of the murky waters that these are experiencing and cut to the chase and give a dealer are given offering Much more transparent That allows them to maintain in control. That doesn't make make them sell their license. As a lot of people have had very much interested in that because I've been in their shoes. What kind of people want to work for you and and work at a pot shop? I'm curious well. Listen finding finding people to work. Candidates door is actually quite easy. I can imagine you know. For example that sessions cannibis posted hosted Jobs rooting for the Charleston. Coming January in calling in December and we have to take those odds down we received you know three four five hundred submissions. In a matter of days there was a pretty thriving gray or black market prior to this A lot of folks that were in that industry wanted to get more involved in the legal industry. This is a new industry and it's evolving so people really want to jump at it so a lot of people are in some cases taking pay cuts to jump in because they wanted to get involved with industry so every walk of life comes to are working space. We've had people coming from previous retail experience. We've had people from the listen market. We've had people just from people at home and others like everybody wants to get in right so it's it's not. It's not not hard funny. It's hard to get the right people that want to play within a licensed and regulated Environment again if you were in the market before this often often you're dealing with monies in in a garbage bag someone. Some cases or products for there wasn't any regulation on it. And when you come into this environment it's much more strict. I mean you can't talk with health benefits. It's Is Very Regimen in terms of inventory control very regimen terms a cash management. So it's a different game but every walk. Life wants to work at a cannabis tour having gone through this whole thing from application to business owner to now expanding to partner. What would you say and I mean especially even given your background business? What would you say is the most unique thing about the cannabis industry? Oh well I think there's a few things I'd say. The first thing I'd say is the stigma I mean think about this You know what I call the drug dealer. I've sat across from C.. Suite people are the technically on drug dealer. I'm a licensed businessperson. I always tell people if I if I opened L.. CBO nobody would shut down. I add it right. I remember that when Some of the executive I worked at somebody told me once I had a moral obligation ought to do this cannabis and I and I told that person that you know this is this is a license license legal business And I am a licensed legal business person but again. There's such a stigma early days. I do think it's wearing off. Now I think over time will become much more likely you'll cebu equivalent you know Some of the bears will be taken down where you don't need to have a bake windows you don't need to have you know all these fancy security gary systems you know. Children can't walk by and see in the store today. Meanwhile LLC bill they can walk around with their parents so I think the game will evolve. I think you'll change. But certainly the stigma. What was the biggest surprise and learning that I had to deal with early days? You really didn't expect it to be That bad listen I was. I was wet behind the ears and entering the space. I didn't. I didn't expect a lot of things I've had a big kick in the butt I've had to get into gear of how to get the driver's seat and I've learned a lot this last. You know ten months from you. I've learned more than last ten months. Now I've learned to a lifetime business and then school other things so it's been a tremendous amount of learning but I didn't know to expect so. I don't think anybody did the first opening store in the province I I mean how do you know right. Thank Stephen Thank you Julie. Stephen Fry the owner and operator of Cana Cabana Hamilton and also the president and Co founder of sessions cannabis. 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You Want Fries With That?

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You Want Fries With That?

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Not just with the catch up now because I did used to eat them primarily for the catch up. For a while. I I was in Belgium for a couple of months, and I would eat them every day. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because they come in those cones like a little paper cone. Yeah. Right. And you can find them everywhere every on every street corner and then in between just freaks and they have like twenty four sauces. You can choose from. I wanted to try every sauce. An recently. We had our company holiday party to save money. We had it in January admit this because our boss admitted it also I learned it was a real thing that a lot of companies are doing now, I'll really having them kind of in the middle of January. New year happy new times. But well, I invited as my plus one. What am I best friends one of the katie's? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it was supposed to be the semi formal and I had a suspicion because their office isn't really semi former. We're pretty casual. Yeah. That no one would dress up for it. So I came in address, but because it was happening right after work in our office building. It was happening at like six thirty pretty late office, though. I don't share. Yeah. I feel like people are still here at six thirty. But okay. So I show up. No one is dressed up and the office in the morning, right? Right. And I my friend text me, and she's like should I dress up? And I said, well, it looks like you'll be the only person that does apart from me. So take your pick. And she shows up in his shirt, like a black sweatshirt, and jeans and on the black. Wchs sweatshirt. It says more exercise, but exercise it's marked out. And it says fries as a big picture on it. Yeah. And then it turns out everyone went home and changed and came back, and she was very mad at me. Very very mad. She kept bringing it up. She's still brings it up. Sorry. Katie the people loved her shirt maker than one person yet. It was a great shirt. Yeah. I don't think I told her specifically. But Katie if you're listening, it was a quality shape. It was and also if you wanna see proof of this. I posted a picture on Instagram what she didn't like. She also has towels that say fries before guys so perfect just wonderful. When I was a kid. He's had this. Mcdonald's device. Do did you have one of these? And you put a piece of white bread in there. And you spun the little thing on the side. And then it would give you fry shaped pieces of bread. I'd like crank out little like, no, no. I never never had one of those. It was the most exciting thing. It sounds so boring now, but I would just sit there like, whoa. And it tasted better somehow. Oh, man. I have so many stories I tried to move out of the US when the freedom fry thing happened. Oh that would like that was that was the final. Yeah. I like confide sharks. My neighbor, actually, Katie. I tricked her mom into taking me to the airport because I I had a school trip. But I was just trying to leave the country. Old were you like eleven Mike goodness. Yeah. The police didn't it didn't fly. But anyway, do you have a favorite fry Lauren all of them, which whichever one is in my mouth at the time. One of my happy hour spots. It will serve you fries with the side of case oh dip, and I say that that's pretty ultimate, but my favorite in the Atlanta area might be Leon's indicator. I think they do a hand cut. Duck fat, fry real good. I still daydream though about Nathan's famous restaurant like the hot dog restaurant like back when they had hand cut fries. And they they do these really like BIC crinkle fries. Oh, goodness. This is going to be a long a lot cravings at the end of this episode. Yeah. Yeah. Behind the curtain y'all we're doing this topic. And we're also recording upset about cocktails today. And I'm it was a craving filled week. Yes. Indeed. Speaking of graving, we're talking about fast food fries. I was always Zach person because you get that extra Cajun sauce or I went through big arby's. Phase is kind of strange. Oh, I went to checkers phase in college. I think that's kind of like fry fry related. They're like fried cousins. Yeah. Yeah. But like McDonald's is just made of magic. I don't know what it is. All they do something special. What? Because I remember writing about it at one point in my life. There is something about we did that McDonald's episode. I'm sure we probably mentioned it in there. I really like MacOS fries in Atlanta. Great burger, great fries. Expensive bush. You know worth it. Anyway, all this brings us to our question here at last French fries. What aren't they? Well, there are many styles of fry and many methods of creating them. But at the root of the issue, we are talking about slicing a potato lengthwise into sticks. And then deep frying those sticks and oil until they're Crispin golden on the outside and cooked creamy on the inside and the golden color of Burger King's fries and most likely McDonald's fries is due to a sugar solution that sprayed over the fries just before freezing and shipping them out to their restaurants the sugar Browns when frying giving you that golden hue not caramelized as though it's a different kind of Browning reaction. Yes specific we'll we'll talk more about that later, supposedly. Okay here. It is. Mcdonald's fries their fries twice the entire process. Taking about twenty minutes that is scientifically the better way to do fries. Again. Again, we will get into there's a long science section. At the end of this one guy. So so hold tight. But related to science nutrition. Yes. Yes. Well, okay. So so again, this is going to vary based on the recipe, you're using and how much fry you're consuming. But let's take for example, a McDonald's medium sides fry which is about one hundred seventeen grams or just over four ounces of fries for your average two thousand calorie a day diet that's going to account for just under twenty percent of your daily caloric intake. Fifteen percent of your recommended carbs for the day and thirty percent of your recommended fats. So it's a high calorie food. Yes. The good news is that there is a smattering of vitamins and minerals in there because potatoes are rich in lots of stuff. So, you know, I don't know just like defying things makes them delicious. Not really nutritious. Yeah. I'm hard pressed to think of anything that's fried. It probably doesn't exist yet. And this is another fun with words episode because as I briefly mentioned in our episode around ranch Fraser called chips in the UK. Actually, a lot of listeners wrote in and solved. My mystery that probably one of their letters will show up and listener mail. So so listen out for that. But in most of the English speaking world, they're two different words for thin cut fries and sickly cut fries, which I sometimes confusingly see both labeled as steak fries. Here in North America. We just add an adjective to differentiate whether they be curly thick sin steak. Wedges waffle all kinds of fries. One of my first memories of moving to the small town. I for the most part grew up in was eating at this small talion restaurant and getting the largest curly fries. I've ever seen. It was. So big the staff came out to look at it. Like, we were all staring at this thing. And I took it home as though I was going to preserve it or keep it as a pet, but I my resolve didn't last. And speaking speaking of names for fries, though, fries have a lot of them. And a lot of different preparations around the world rates. French fries are incredibly popular one of the world's most load sides, the primary dipping sauces are ketchup mayo or vinegar, but there are so so so many more there's dishes like almost thought. Oh out of Peru. Stick fruits and mussels with fries or move streets out of France fries with an egg on top of Belgium, fishing ships in the UK Tatas bribe's that Spain fries wrapped up in a chicken pita in the Middle East topped with powder in Japan. And of course, Putin are Putin out of Canada fries topped with Brown, gravy, and cheese, Kurtz. Oh, yeah. Teen. Yep. When I was in Canada a couple years ago with my parents, we were staying this tiny town called Tofino, and I was determined to get some food teen for them to try and this town is so small. There were two taxis. And the visitor center was a phone booth. And I've found somewhere that served Putin and a convinced the taxi driver to stop. So I could get some and take it back to the hotel with us, and we sat in eighteen in this. Nice hotel in Tofino the ocean right outside are going local, beer wine and chocolate, and it's real winner. My parents still bring it up. Oh, yeah. Anytime that you have cheese Kurds and gravy on fries. I recommend it. Yes. Also, my ex-boyfriend used to always say, I think it was modern family as a quote for modern family where I don't know. I've never watched my family, but one of the characters spot a thing of Putin and the other character was like, I'm not patina did in my mouth. I always say. Time. I hear it. What's wrong with that guy? It's so good. If we're looking at Europe, the Belgians Chow down on the most frontiers per capita, which given my experience there does not surprise me at all. And they have a French fry museum. Try museum. Wow. If you have been right right in right in send pictures everything. And I am not the only American lives French fries by a long shot twenty nine pounds. That's how much fries we Americans eat on average per year. Wow. Oh my goodness. Yeah. That's a lot. Toddlers and in several surveys all their favorite vegetables. Counts. I me too. I mean, really I can't argue with toddler logic in this one. That's true fries. Have also been involved in some pretty high profile art, take Stefan, bull, hamburgers peace poem door. Which was a gold cross made out of French fries and they had a room of their own for display an immune it gallery, according to Bonemberger. The piece is meant to represent quote, the metamorphosis of a profane everyday object into a sacred artwork. Ooh. But intrigue. Oh, art intrigue. We so rarely get to talk about art intrigue in two thousand five the original French fries, it served as the basis of the cross were discovered to be missing missing missing gasp Bonemberger sued and won receiving two thousand euros for the fries. Which if you think about it seems like the ultimate conclusion for this piece of art. One thousand years of fry the metamorphosis of something. Did he do you think he stole them? Oh, more in cheese. That is interesting Lauren. Okay. We're gonna we're going to think a little bit more about this. And we're going to take a break for word for our sponsor. But when we come back, we're going to get into the history of the French fry. This episode of saver is brought to you by smart water. I drink a lot of water. I have witnessed you do it. Yes. There are a few things. I love more in life than some cool water after a workout and I love smart water, not only for the taste, but for the uniquely designed to bottle because it's so great to grab when you're on the go twenty years ago. Smart water, reimagined, what water could be from the inside out today. They're continuing to find smart ways forward in everything they do from thoughtful bottle designed to supporting smart people who are changing our world. Refresh thinking like you smart water has added electrolytes for taste and great tasting water helps you meet your goals. Whether you've got some new ones in two thousand nineteen or just aiming to look and feel your best every day. Refresh yourself with smart water. Emmer back thing sponsor. Yes. Thank you. I suppose the first question you probably have is. Is is the French fraud from France? Probably not. 'cause obviously probably not. There are there a couple of origin stories as with most everything we talk about and one does include France. But seems historians probably not probably not they probably come from Belgium. We're records show that folks had potatoes. And we're frying them by the end of sixteen hundreds or maybe the seventeen hundreds depending on the source if we step back a bit to the potato, and we did touch on the history of the potato and specifically its history in Europe. Interlock caps briefly one day, we will do a whole potato episode. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. But for this episode, the Spanish are the ones generally credited with introducing the potato to Europe in fifteen fifty seven when as dick Kasahda brought them back from Columbia at the time, the Spanish called potatoes truffles around the same time, the Italians were growing potatoes too. But in both of these countries potatoes didn't grow very well. And what did grow resulted in a bitter and smallish potato as time passed this changed in the crops became over all this bidder and larger legend goes that impoverished Belgium, people residing in the Meuse valley would catch and fry small fish that they caught in the river. But when the river froze over during the winter, they had to find a replacement, and what they found was the potato they sliced potatoes and fry them the same way that they did with the fish. And then you go proto fry. Is pro 'tatoes fry. Aw. Oh, sorry. But yes. You're not sorry at all. No. But I should be. I know it. Worth mentioning Spain controlled a good chunk of modern name Belgium. When it first brought potato back to Europe. So that would fit. Oh logic. Yeah. All right. So during World War One American soldiers in Belgium after having their first taste of these sliced and fried potatoes, dubbed them, French fries. Since French was the official language of Belgium. Yup. All right merica. And that's us. This is that or is it more intrigue. Good intrigue another version of fried past. Does attribute the fry to France? And specifically to one dude Frenchman Antoine Augustin Parmentier, he was a medical officer in the French army, and yes, he came up in our lot cap. So does well, oh, right. Right. Because he was really big in promoting potato. He was captured during the seven years war and he subsided on the potato during his imprisonment. And after he was freed he went around France in Europe, France specifically, but also Europe a little bit singing the praises of the potato its health benefits. It's filling quality it's cheap. It's easy to grill. Right. And because the potato was not popular at this point. It wasn't something people eight it was something that people fed to their hogs not only because of bitterness, but also potatoes were believed to call various helmets. Yep. The tomato watch out. Exactly. French parliament went as far to prohibit potato cultivation in seventeen forty eight do believe that it caused leprosy. Yeah. I mean, you know, leprosy's a big enough problem. You're like cherry, whatever that thing potatoes. Yeah. They're bitter. Thanks to pump in tease efforts or at least in part to his efforts. The Paris faculty of medicine gay potatoes, the edible for humans stamp in seventeen seventy two which is not a real stamp. But they were like, okay. These team cool enough for humans to eat. It took a bit for people to get over their reservations around potatoes, though, while working as a pharmacist at a French hospital pumping ta was not allowed to grow ebbing potatoes in his garden for potato, but plumbing ta was undeterred and also in seventeen seventy two and I would presume as soon as this edible for humans proclamation came out. He's started hosting these dinners for well-to-do influential types, like Benjamin Franklin Queen marie-antoinette's and king Louis. The sixteenth. Of course, Thomas Jefferson got in on the action. Of course, he did. Uh-huh. And in eighteen or to he asked to chef who was French to prepare potatoes. Quote, served in the French manner, which in his mind was potatoes deep fried while raw in small cuttings for dinner party. These were probably thinly sliced rounds are cruelly cues. Curly cues is a word. I don't get to say very often. But I appreciate it. I have. Yeah. Take take it curly cues. And I love this. Next fact, so much pumpkin ta hired armed guards to stand watch over his potato patch. Yeah. Not because of analysts him or something like that. But to give people they were highly valuable. And on top of that he instructed the guards to accept any bribes for the potatoes and to allow people to steal them. Well, played, sir. That's do. You think we can use that as a marketing thing for like our podcasts I want to and I'm going to think on that a lot later because that is an excellent ploy. I got to give it to them. We also accept bribes folks to listen to this podcast, we do accept bribes. But it was famine in seventeen eighty five that really changed the potatoes fortunes in Europe a decade later in seventeen ninety five large-scale potato operations were present in France, even the rural gardens made way for potato fields. Yeah. The history is murky, but somewhere around this time is when French people either invented or learned how to make French fries fry. Well, I guess they call them French fries. It sounds silly. But anyway, fries were particularly common in Paris where there were vendors who sold them out of carts as fruits. Something's don't change worth mentioning here is that all of this was taking place against the backdrop of the Franco, Austrian war, aka the war of Austrian succession, which is worth mentioning because a lot of this war took place in one. What is now Belgium? Oh, right. So possibly French soldiers encountered, fries and Belgium, and then as a potato became popular and common in France started making fries of their own and yet another thing worth mentioning. And it's another fun language saying for some folks, cutting things into long strips like you traditionally would with fries is called Julianne and others. Call it Frenching like French fries. Yeah. Yep. Possibly Benjamin Francis covered French fries. Separately around the same time fried potatoes just makes sense to me depressing things. It's great potatoes. A great exact potato, especially if you've got a lot of them. Yeah, for I'm August, Skopje included a recipe poem the tip. Punt enough in his nineteen three complete guide to the art of modern cookery, quote cut the potato square at the ends and size and cut into batons of one centimeter wide sides deep fried until crisp on the outside and soft in the center. This is the basic type of fried potato. The name references vendors who would sell their fries on the pump enough bridge. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's good spot. Whatever the case after American and British soldiers were exposed to fries in Belgium, and France, they brought them home and they spread from their thanks to the spreading of America's fast food chains sliced fried potatoes were introduced to countries outside of Europe under the name of French fries. But nowadays are just as likely to see them under the name of American fries. Really? Yeah. Before this between the eighteen fifty s and nineteen thirties. They were commonly known as French fried potatoes. The New York Times called fish and chips England's hotdog in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight I also love that by the sixties Americans commonly called them fries, just fries. Putin started popping up in Quebec in the nineteen fifties. But of course, there are some that. The dispute that. Field trips about for that. And Belgian petitioned UNESCO to grant the French fry Belgium as an object of cultural heritage recently. Oh, yeah. Oh, we'll have to we'll have to keep keep on. Absolutely. And that's kind of a whirlwind. Look at the history of the French fry. Yeah. And we've got some French fries. Science for you who. Yes. Coming up after one more quick break for word from our sponsor. This is Ron burgundy telling you to listen to my podcast. Here's a little something to wet your appetite right now, I'm a little terrified because I don't know what a podcast is. Let's take some calls. Caller, number one. You're on with Ron burgundy what's on your mind? Caller, snow callers. No because people aren't listening in realtime Schick got it. If you are listening to this and have downloaded by mistake. Please turn it off. Now, turn it off. Baby. No, we have we live. So the whole crews here. Okay. All right. Okay. So if you're Taurus, your horoscope is come on pull your together Kelly. I saw you defecate was reduced to my basic ambles. Rumba cast the billable. Whatever putt guests are found. We're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. And we're back. Okay. Before we get into the science of fries. Our friend Ramsey. Yes. You heard on the chicken wing episode? Yeah. Just dropped. By key heard that we were doing an upset about French fries. And he told producer Andrew that. He had a joke. Tell us and a Andrew vetted it, and then let him come on Mike and say it so I mean, we just did the history section. So so so hold back your snark, y'all. But did you hear that the first French fries were not cooked in France? No, they were cooked in Greece. But yeah, it was pretty spectacular. I said it was like I haven't your own hype joke. Yeah. Oh, advert that. We take even though there's no real reason to narrow will do it. No real. Nope. Okay. But yes, fries are cooked in Greece. They are. And there's a lot of science. Oh, I it's French fry science is intense, and it is beautiful, and there has been much digital ink spilled about it. We got into the signs of deep frying in our fried chicken episode a little bit. But I do not begrudge repeating this. I'm also to be fair like potatoes and breaded chickens are slightly different objects. Yes, I would agree. So the the cool hot thing about oil is that it can be it could be heated to temperatures way above the boiling point of water without burning the oil. This means that when you put slices of potato into such heated oil any water hanging out in the outer layer of those slices is going to vaporize into steam jet straight out of the potato. No, no. This is good. It. Does it does a few things? Okay. Well. I visually and alarmingly. It creates that bubble and spider and the oil. That's terrifying. But second more crucially to our interests in deliciousness. Here it totally decimates that outer layer of potato forming a hard shell around the interior third the steam forms. A protective layer around that shell keeping the direct heat of the oil at bay and preventing the fry from from getting soggy with oil. And the combo of the shell. And the protection of the steam layer means that the interior of the potato can heat up and and steam itself to perfect creamy could Edness all while the outer layer gently Browns. I'm so hungry. Okay. I lot of lunch. And potatoes are uniquely adapted to make the most of this cooking method. They're both starchy and dense. The density means that the oil has a harder time penetrating too deeply which again would lead to a soggy fry and and starch. Okay. This is why most fried foods are breaded before they're deep fried because starch molecules like to chain up and those chains like to to interlink and those lattices of molecules helped form a firm, crunchy crest, plus starch helps create the mayor reaction which just took us about seven minutes of trying to figure out how to pronounce it's usually why just call things Browning. I it's these specific branding process where chain reactions among amino acids, like proteins and sugars create deeper colors and tastier flavors. One of these days. We'll have to do a whole episode about it. Anyway, some some recipes Colfer blanche ING your strips of potatoes before you fry them as this can help. The starches on the surface interlaced more tightly this both prevents those starches from from breaking down into sugars, and then caramelized and blackening during cooking. And it helps these starches forum that thicker crust after blanche, and you should dry your fries out either blotting with towels or if you just happen to have a vacuum Packer around. Yeah. You can drive out some moisture that way. I mean, you know, they said. The there's a lot of science tips out there about French fries. And we've thought about this a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And and speaking of science does dictate that that double fry produces a superior fried potato not just cooking first, and then frying, that's different needs to be a double fry my very favorite food science writer, j Kenji Lopez alt- ransom home experiments and found that a a boiled or microwaved potato will not crisp up properly. They'll form like a really thin papery crust instead of that crispy. When that you're looking for because you see by frying once at a relatively low temperature than letting your potatoes cool and frying them again at a higher temperature. You've primed the potato for arguably the ultimate crust more on that arguably in just a second. But this is because during that that low slow I fry hot oil gets into the potato just a little bit as water evaporates, and exits that helps break up the starch chains on the surface a little bit and at. Then the individual like warm heck starch molecules can interact with remaining water in the potato and gelatinous is Latin is yeah in this creates a thick sheath of starch on the outside of the potato which will Brown and crisp. When you put it in for a second, hotter, fry delicious. But y'all here's here's arguably. Okay. Because there are all kinds of invasions going on in French fries. Oh, I love it. People wanna know Greek chemists used a centrifuge to find the gravity at which fries. Cooked best. Oh my goodness. They say it's three times earth's usual, gravity as that is the the pressure at which the the water escapes his steam in like smaller puffs, which lets the the oil seep in more uniformly and heat it to a to a thick crisp crust more quickly. And do you think these chemists for just one night? I think we can make these fries better. They had to go the centrifuge that they did this in was in the Netherlands. So I mean, so unless I mean, I think it involved quite a bit of planning. So if it was just them sitting around, then you you think we can do this. We can do. And then you make a plan, and then you execute and you learn that. You want these best fries, supposedly and. Yeah. Well, that's that's by the way, approximately the the pressure of like the surface of Jupiter Jupiter doesn't really have a surface. But if you're ever on Jupiter, you could make some fries. Excellent time for French fries. Ooh. K? Noted. Other researchers found that there's a particular enzyme that will that will dissolve Picton, and you can apply that to sliced potatoes to make the insides of fries extra smooth and creamy. Oh my goodness. And over at modernist cuisine, folks. Okay. I they I they suveyed potato sticks until tender and then put them in an ultrasonic bath, you know, like, the the the device that like dentists and jewellers used to clean their implements and watches, you know, whatever kind of stuff. Yeah. It's like mini tank that blasts, whatever is placed inside with ultrasonic waves. The potatoes surfaces fissured into these. We little crackles releasing starch molecules, so when they were put through a deep fryer, the resulting fries had little Krispies on their crests and reportedly a quote, amazingly satisfying texture Bethany did they also tried using vacuum packing to infuse extra starch into the potatoes to produce a extra thick and crispy shell which they said works wonders, especially as a double whammy with that. I've got a lot of extra tiles. I need to purchase. I'm cert- my fund right now put a jar ultimate French fry fund. Go fund bead specifically for this office. Yes. Oh, I don't think we're allowed to I don't I'm not I'm not allowed to work with deep Fryers. I shouldn't really either. Maybe we can we can get somebody to help out with that part. We have a lot of talented people who are less around here. Yes. Yes. We to. I am not giving up on this dream. I love French fries. And this sounds amazing. Yeah. So yeah, fry science, you know, if you won't help making your fries at home, tastier the internet is here for you. Hopefully, it won't fry your brain. Oh, but I think that's all we have to say about French fries unless you want more funds. No. That brings us to. Listen. That actually is courtesy of somebody. I saw on the street last night. He. Yeah. Who did this weird wave at me? Okay. And I'm still thinking about it. It's like a for for those of you along at home. It's like it's like a double handed like up and down. It's a frenetic rain excited jazz hands up and down alternate. Yeah. I don't know what she was up to help. It was good night. Yeah. Sarraute I'm a born and raised buffalo Nian and just finished listening to the ranch and wings episode. I wanted to send along a few fun facts about wings. You are correct there. No buffalo wings in buffalo. That listeners may find interesting one it is a huge point of contention. When it comes to ranch versus blue cheese as the optimal dipping sauce. Most people here will say it's blue cheese in anything else is heresy and a half seen more than one social media war over the two condiments since Ray hitch definitely has its loyal fans here. I personally don't care for either. So I personally have no wing in this fine. Medium sauce, and no other frills for me while the anchor bar deserves do credit for inventing the wing most locals, hold the point of view that doesn't have the best wings in the city by a long shot. The best ones come from your local, mom and pop pizza joint. And if you're going to go to a chain restaurant. Duff's is the better option. I also believe that buffalo has some of the best pizza in the country, which may be because it's equidistant from New York and Chicago and has a very appealing middle of the road, medium, thickness, Chris. Oh, yeah. Win the Buffalo Bills made the NFL playoffs in two thousand eighteen for the first time since one thousand nine hundred ninety nine Duff's sent one thousand four hundred forty wings one hundred and twenty pounds of celery and carrots, six gallons of blue cheese and nine gallons of wing sauce to the Cincinnati Bengals as their victory over Baltimore secured buffalo spot. Wonderful no hard feelings for getting that the bills exist. Sometimes I'd like to. I personally have never been to the wing festival, but as I'm currently living abroad and miss wings, more than any other food item. I may just have to go this year after I return and ordering them from my favorite pizza place. We'll probably be one of the first things I do when I get home. Thank you for the nostalgia. For my hometown. Yeah. I've been hearing from all these people from buffalo has been very very spectacular. Yes. Sean wrote back in my college days the early nineties I used to frequent to gay bar called reflections in Memphis, Tennessee on weeknights. They only opened the lower section which was a smaller rectangular shaped room with a floor to ceiling mirrors on all four walls, which served to make the place look larger and more crowded. There was a square shaped bar in the center of one end of the rectangle and the dance floor was on the other end of the rectangle. I always assumed the floor to ceiling MIR's is why they called it reflections. Anyways. I was out with a few friends one night. And we were probably having a few too, many drinks, but we were having fun. There's about thirty or forty people around the bar clustered in groups at some point in the evening. I noticed the guy crossed the rim. Checking me up, I'm generally shy by nature. So I don't really do anything at first hoping he might come say. Hi. So I have another drink with my friends and every now, and then I glanced over to see what he's up to. And every time I do I. See him checking me out. Eventually I have enough liquid courage to get up and walk over to say, hi as I casually head over his way. I see he's headed towards me too. I'm about halfway across the bar. When I come to the horrible realization that I've spent the better part of the last hour so flirting with my reflection in the mirror every time. I was looking at him. He was looking at me the silver lining to the story. I realized when I've had enough to drink a do me. Spectacular. I've tried my own MIR mishaps, but nothing. That's think speaking is to like intensely awkward human people. I both appreciate and and sympathize with that. Yes. Yes. I mean, I would love to know when you came back to your friends. Thank goodness. Follow. Had he been talking to them about him. Oh questions. Oh my goodness. 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